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Feb. 25, 2007 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Alien and Military Encounters - Jim Sparks

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	From the high desert of the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's time zones, each and every one covered by this program, Coast to Coast AM.
	I'm Art Bell, and it is my honor and privilege to be escorting you now through the second half of my work week, Sunday night, Monday morning.
	Great to be here, that is in most time zones.
	I thought I would take a moment out and explain to you how the guest lineup on Coast to Coast works internally.
	I know that a lot of you probably are not aware of this information and inside information is kind of always fun, I guess.
	All of our guests are hunted down like dogs and then some of them come to us and they're pre-interviewed.
	Our producers pre-interview the guests.
	And, um, and then anything can happen.
	When somebody, you know, in a pre-interview a lot of times, somebody will just open up and say everything in the world, and they sound like they're gonna be a terrific guest when they get on the air.
	And when they get on the air, they freeze solid.
	It happens.
	Or they get nervous.
	Or they get scared.
	Or they get scared to talk about the material they've got.
	Or they're intimidated.
	Or the kind of answer you get is, this is one of the really bad ones.
	It's in my book.
	Well, tell me about the alien.
	It's in my book.
	Or even worse, it's in your book.
	Meaning mine.
	So, a million different things can happen.
	Some guests who are only so-so in a pre-interview then turn out to be just fabulous on the air.
	It can go either way.
	You know, life is a crapshoot.
	When you're having a new guest, literally, every night, well, you know, you're gonna get some good ones, you're gonna get some duds, and that's just the way the guest lineup thing works on Coast.
	And then, of course, you get some guests that are so good, they're repetitively on again and again.
	It's a little redundant, isn't it?
	Well, the departed has done it.
	It has won Best Picture.
	The Mob Saga that Departed won the Best Picture Academy Award on Sunday.
	A triumph for homegrown American films in an evening that featured the most internationally diverse field of nominees in the history of Hollywood.
	Martin Scorsese finally won the Best Director Academy Award that's eluded him throughout his illustrious career.
	The Susan Lucci I was told of the Oscars, taking the prize for his mob epic, The Departed, after five previous losses.
	A female suicide bomber triggered a ball-bearing pack charge Sunday, killing 41 at a mostly Shiite college whose main gate was left littered with blood-soaked student notebooks and papers amid the bodies.
	Witnesses said that a woman carried out the attack at the business school annex to the university.
	Interior Ministry officials said they were still investigating those reports.
	School's main campus was hit by a string of bombings last month.
	That killed 70.
	Of course, all that in Baghdad.
	Welfare seems to be growing now.
	That's kind of a surprise.
	I thought welfare had started to get smaller.
	You know, they put a time limit on everything.
	You remember that?
	And it started shrinking, but other programs for the poor, including Medicaid, food stamps, disability benefits, are all bursting with new enrollees.
	Well, what devastated Arkansas, southern Arkansas, and elsewhere is now headed for the East Coast.
	Brace yourselves.
	A huge winter storm plowed toward the East Coast Sunday after dumping as much as two feet of snow in the upper Midwest, grounding hundreds of airline flights and closing major highways on the plains.
	So look out back there on the East Coast.
	Many Iraq War soldiers, veterans, and their families are not getting needed psychological help because a stressed military's health system is overwhelmed, understaffed.
	A task force of psychologists found it was a 67-page report that calls for the immediate strengthening of the military mental health system.
	All right, in a moment we will continue with some news that doesn't make the mainstream news.
	In the past, we've had some very near misses with asteroids.
	And of course, we'll have it again in the future.
	A team of scientists and engineers are striving to save humanity from asteroid impacts that could threaten life here on Earth.
	Richard Fork is assembling a team to conduct research into deflecting asteroids that may endanger us.
	As we know, it was an asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs.
	Actually, that's in dispute.
	One of his plans, though, is to someday use a laser beam to trace and perhaps even alter their trajectories.
	Wouldn't that be nice?
	David Osborne reports a group of former astronauts and cosmonauts is warning that at least one astronaut is on a... astronaut?
	Asteroid is on a path that could see it collide with our planet in 2036.
	They say work should begin now on a strategy to protect humankind.
	Now that's 2036.
	That's pretty good-sized rock, incidentally.
	A real killer.
	That's not that far away, 2036.
	Something worth considering, I suppose, that we could just instantly be wiped out just like that, gone.
	I will never forget a caller I had, a lady, and we'd been talking about something like this on the air, and the lady had called a credit card company, I think it was MasterCard in fact, and she had asked, Because of our program, you know, what would your company do if something like this was headed toward Earth?
	And they actually passed this lady up the line into management because it was such, they thought, I guess, such an interesting question.
	And by God, she got an answer.
	And the answer was also, I thought, very interesting and actually logical.
	And the answer was, ma'am, we would do nothing.
	We would allow everybody out there to continue to use their Master Cards right up to whatever their limit was.
	In fact, maybe even extend it.
	And when you think about it a little bit, the logic is flawless.
	If the asteroid hit and wiped out all life on Earth, oh well, they're not going to collect anyway.
	Might as well let the populace have fun, right?
	If, on the other hand, man's ingenuity triumphed and the asteroid did not hit Earth, my God!
	Think of the debt that would have been run up, and the company would be just singing.
	So, either way, what's to lose, right?
	And I thought, and I thought, and I thought, well, completely logical.
	The world's largest tropical glacier is in danger. In danger actually of disappearing within
	five years according to international researchers meeting this week in San Francisco. Ohio State
	glaciologist Lonnie Thompson as well as a team of scientists say they found evidence that the
	quarry glacier of its Kukaiya, of the Kukaiya ice cap in the Peruvian Andes could lose now half
	its mass, half its mass in 12 months.
	And gone in five years!
	My God, it's happening quickly!
	The lower elevation tropical glaciers are going right now.
	No matter what we do, we're going to lose the glaciers on Mount Kilimanjaro, and we're going to lose the lower elevation glaciers in the Andes.
	The ice cap covers 44 square kilometers in the Oriental region and is the world's largest tropical ice mass.
	Its biggest glacier, Coricallis, has receded by at least 1.1 kilometers since 1963, when the first formal measurements were taken.
	The rate of retreat has increased from 6 meters per year between 1963 and 78 to 60 meters per year right now.
	78 to 60 meters per year right now. It's going fast, folks.
	If we ever make black holes here on Earth, they might be much stranger objects than the
	star-swallowing monsters known to exist in space.
	According to yet another new theory, any black hole that pops out of the Large Hadron Collider under construction in Switzerland right now might be surrounded by a black ring forming a microscopic black Saturn.
	A black hole and a black ring can coexist in theory as long as they're set spinning.
	If you just had a ring, it would collapse.
	It's essential that it rotates to keep balanced.
	All this is in New Scientist.
	Just like the central black hole, the ring would be defined by its event horizon, a boundary beyond which nothing can escape the object's gravity.
	The ring could be thin, like a rubber band, for example, or fat, like a donut, and the rotation would flatten it, like a donut that you've squashed.
	The spinning ring would also drag spacetime around with it, making the central black hole spin as well.
	Now listen carefully.
	The black Saturn can only exist in a space with four dimensions, rather than the three that we inhabit.
	In 3D, the black ring is impossible, so there are no big black Saturns out there for astronomers to spot.
	But at a microscopic level, they might really exist.
	Some attempts to unify the forces of nature, notably string theory, involve extra dimensions of space.
	The extra dimensions are usually thought to be curled up tight, so small as to be inaccessible.
	But in some theories, they can be big enough, maybe a fraction of a millimeter in size, maybe infinite.
	To probe with high energy experiments.
	They remain hidden from our eyes because although gravity can reach out into these dimensions, all other forces are confined to our 3D world.
	One consequence of these theories is that at short range gravity becomes very strong.
	That means that a relatively small amount of stuff would be needed to make a microscopic black hole.
	Now, listen very carefully.
	A few thousand times the energy of a proton would be enough, producing a black hole no more than about 9 to 10 meters across.
	Now that really shocked me.
	9 to 10 meters across.
	I thought that the black hole they would create with a collider would be something virtually microscopic.
	Very, very tiny.
	But now they're saying 10 to 19 meters in size.
	As far as black holes are concerned, particularly ones we create here on Earth, that'd be pretty big.
	The world is about to change in a big way.
	The continents are being rearranged by earthquakes.
	By the way, this is courtesy of Whitley Strieber's Unknown Country.
	One scientist says, we don't precisely know what's going to happen, but we believe that it may turn parts of northern Ethiopia and Eritrea into an island.
	For a much larger landmass, the Horn of Africa finally breaks off from the entire continent.
	So, they're expecting an awful lot of earthquake activity.
	February 27, 2007.
	Imagine hiking across Antarctica through ice, cold, bitter wind, enduring months of hardship, finally arriving at the doorstep of the South Pole itself, and at that very moment you get hit by a Sahara sandstorm.
	That's the analogy scientists are using now to describe what happened to the ESA NASA Ulysses spacecraft last December.
	Ulysses was approaching the South Pole of the Sun when it was sandblasted, literally, by a cloud of high-energy particles, protons, electrons, and heavy ions.
	The strange tale begins December 5th, 2006.
	Now, this storm was so strong, listen very carefully, so strong, That if Earth had been where Ulysses was, we would have experienced a full-fledged ground-level event.
	Now that's Professor Bernard Heber of the Institute for Experimental and Applied Physics in Kiel, Germany.
	In other words, the particles were capable of tunneling all the way through Earth's atmosphere to reach the ground.
	Heber is in principle investigator for the Keil Electron Telescope, K-E-T, a sensor on board Ulysses, able to detect such super energetic electrons, protons, and ions.
	Now, a ground level event from the sun?
	Boy, that has echoes of Ed Dames written all over it, doesn't it?
	And then this.
	The present popularity of paranormal subjects has brought a lot of chaff with the precious wheat fakes and frauds along with the genuine.
	Over the years, the same wonderful stories tend to go round and round and round.
	Often the embellishments of a true story, or more often, have little basis in truth at all and always happen to someone who is a friend of a friend of a friend, right?
	At present, the whole paranormal arena is as much overloaded with this as the scientific world is skeptical.
	In fact, we have a new word in the British dictionary for nonsense mongers who speak baloney.
	It's called rumsfelding.
	One such story is the tale of a headless hitchhiker.
	You've heard this, right?
	Usually a young man, or sometimes woman, who thumbs a lift late at night only to get out of the car at the destination with no head.
	So the story runs an accident at the spot some years ago left the young person decapitated and of course they're going round and round.
	Another, the bizarre claim that all the British crop circles were done by a couple of disturbed cranks with a piece of string and a plank topped up with a bottle of whiskey.
	Strange when three were discovered last year to have appeared in one night in the south part of England.
	They'd have to be awfully busy.
	At school, our science teacher would tell us that carrots helped us see in the dark, right?
	Mama said that, too, as a matter of fact.
	But this story now has been discredited completely.
	Apparently, it was part of a massive government propaganda exercise during World War II.
	A particular favorite of the writer here is the saying, I nearly had kittens.
	One of my college students came out with this after class.
	This comes from having an irrational fear.
	It originates from the Middle Ages and tells of the fear witches would bring on pregnancy pains, which were a spell turning the baby into kittens, which of course then clawed at her insides.
	Nowadays we know witches can't do those things, right?
	Everyone knows the tale of some wicked old man, who at the exact moment he died, all the clocks stopped.
	An internet search reveals over 40 similar stories.
	How many are true?
	Another, the Chinese restaurant who puts Cat and dog meat into the food, continued eating of which brings people to act like dogs and cats.
	Prolonged investigations through back copies of newspapers revealed just 17 convictions throughout the UK over a 39-year period for various banned meat products when you consider what goes into some ordinary sausages.
	You don't want to know, by the way, and what they feed to cattle.
	Not really a whole lot of cause for concern here.
	Another favorite.
	Is the family holiday, usually in Spain, where driving through a remote district, the old granny dies of a heart attack and is put into the boot.
	This was written by a British fellow.
	Trunk, of course.
	When stopping at a roadside cafe, the car is stolen, only to be found intact, washed, and cleaned with an apologetic note, saying the thief would never interfere with a mafia killing, and is so sorry and will never take a car again.
	Alright, listen, coming up in a moment, we're going to take unscreened, very dangerous, unscreened, open line calls.
	Anything you want to talk about is fair game, but, warning, the people who are not interesting will not get very much air time.
	The more interesting you are, the more air time you get.
	So, carefully consider before dialing.
	If you are west of the Rockies, the number is 800-618-8255.
	If you're east of the Rockies, the number is 800-825-5033.
	If you're a first-time caller, we love you!
	Area code 818-501-4721.
	east of the Rockies. Number is 800-825-5033. If you're a first-time caller, we love you.
	Area code 818-501-4721. Wildcard Line callers, and we have many of those, chances of getting
	through on the Wildcard Line are pretty darn good.
	Area code 818-501-4109.
	And finally, if you're outside the country altogether, call, talk very nicely to your local operator, and have her call 800-893-0903.
	That's 800-893-0903.
	That's 800-893-0903.
	Now tonight's guest is Jim Sparks.
	Now this is a guy who was an abductee and who was so incredibly interesting that the first time I did a show with him I extended the show an hour to five hours.
	Then I did another show and tonight we are going to do it yet again.
	Jim is incredible.
	He has almost total recall of what happened to him.
	He has a perfect understanding of what they are like, what their motives are, just about everything you can imagine about them.
	And he's an amazing, amazing man.
	So, tonight a return of Jim Sparks and we will attempt to sort of recap what happened and how it happened to Jim over the years.
	And then we're going to cover New Territory.
	This man has so much to say that we're going to get into New Territory with him.
	So those of you who enjoyed the previous interviews, you're definitely going to want to be along for tonight.
	Meantime, though, after the break, which is coming quickly, we're going to talk to all of you about anything you want to talk about.
	As I mentioned, though, make it interesting and you get more air time.
	Make a dough, and you're out of here like... Well, you get it, right?
	I'm Art Bell.
	Back in the desert, that's for sure.
	Good, uh, good morning, everybody.
	For the most part.
	I'm Art Bell, and the webcam photo up there tonight is as last night.
	Um... I am so proud of my wife, Erin.
	That's, that's Erin in the photograph, and, uh...
	We're on a movie set.
	I got to do a bit part in a movie called I Know Who Killed Me.
	That's the name of the movie with Lindsay Lohan.
	It'll be coming out in July and so you can check it out and check out my little bit part.
	The reason I did it was not so much to be in the movie but have an opportunity to drive Erin down to Southern California.
	She has assimilated so well she didn't particularly want to come to the U.S.
	But the opportunity came to do it, and so here we are.
	And she has passed her driver's test, you know, and her written test, which 70% of the people fail first time around.
	And she's driving, taking lessons, just doing remarkably well.
	And I think the reason it helped her so much Is that, well, she came from Mindanao, a southern island in the Philippines, a remote province at that on Mindanao.
	And so we spent eight months in Manila, as you know, where we have a condominium.
	And then came to the States, so I think that eight months in Manila must have really helped her.
	And so today she practiced driving to the Catholic Church that we have here in Prompt.
	And she's Catholic with a capital C, no question about that.
	So she practiced driving to the Catholic Church.
	She has done so well here.
	Alright, in a moment, your calls.
	By the way, I'm not in the business of giving people free plugs, but this thing is so cool that I really, I guess I can't resist.
	I just got a Skype phone.
	Now, some of you, a lot of you I know, are familiar with Skype, right?
	But they've got a deal that's really hard to beat.
	I'm wondering what's going to happen to the phone companies in America.
	Because you can subscribe to Skype for like $29.95 a year.
	A year, not a month, but a year.
	And in that year you can make all the U.S., Canadian, long-distance phone calls you want to make free of charge.
	Well, or for that $29.95 a year.
	And now they've come out with this little gadget that plugs into your router.
	You just plug it directly into your router and then it's a portable phone just like any other portable phone.
	I talked to Bob Crane about this and he may begin to carry them.
	I hope he does.
	And this is a dual mode phone.
	On the one hand it calls With Skype, and on the other you can plug your regular phone into it if you really want to.
	But I mean, when you can make all the long distance calls you want to the U.S.
	and Canada for $29.95 a year, and have a portable phone, which, I don't know, costs a couple hundred bucks, something like that.
	It was just, I don't know, technology is marching forward, and how the traditional phone companies are going to deal with this completely escapes me!
	Voice quality is pretty damn good.
	Not perfect, but very close.
	All right, enough of that.
	To the phones.
	First time caller line, you are on the air.
	Turn your radio off, please.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Yes?
	Yes, sir.
	I had a question for you, or actually for upcoming Mr. Sparks.
	I was listening last week when you guys were talking to John about 2012.
	Well, that's a hell of a question.
	I'm certainly not qualified to answer it, but I will pose it to Sparks.
	And my question was involving aliens and their possible involvement with our current government
	or with the NWO or shadow governments and if they might be working with them or what
	their role is in the whole thing.
	Well that's a hell of a question.
	I'm certainly not qualified to answer it but I will pose it to Sparks.
	How about that?
	Well, dig and see what you can find out.
	That's from my curiosity, ladies.
	All right.
	I'll do it for you.
	Thank you, sir.
	Take care.
	That's a pre-question.
	And I'll try and remember it.
	2012.
	I'm not convinced that 2012 holds anything at all ominous for us.
	I think that they simply got fed up of making calendars and said, ah, come on.
	None of us are going to be alive in 2012.
	We quit.
	Wester the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hey, this is Andrew Pierce from the Tri-Cities.
	Okay, now I'm going to have to take that out.
	You made me do that.
	You're not allowed to put your last name on the air.
	Yes, sir.
	So, let's start all over again.
	I had to erase that.
	You made me erase it.
	Your first name only is... Andrew.
	Andrew.
	Okay.
	I'm from the Tri-Cities.
	Yes.
	My thing is, I'm thinking maybe with all the experiments and like Gravitational and stuff like that, that it's actually causing us to break through, and we're actually going into where the shadow people live.
	And the shadow people are actually, we're going into their realm, and they're not coming into our realm.
	Oh no, I think that's a perfectly reasonable observation.
	I mean, how many people have called and said, when the shadow people perceive that we can see them, they run like scared rabbits.
	So, you know, so yeah.
	Yeah, it's just our All our scientific breakthroughs and marvels, we say, we're doing all this, but instead we might be breaking through the time continuum, because all these stuff where we screw with atoms and stuff, and scientists are like, we don't know exactly what we're doing, but we're going to try it anyways.
	You never know.
	Oh, listen, I couldn't agree more.
	It is very nice to talk to you, and I thank you very much.
	I've been trying to get through forever, and it's just wonderful to speak to you.
	Okay, take care.
	Now that's a very astute observation, really it is.
	Why not?
	If we can see them, then it follows they can see us, and certainly the reactions as described by people indicate they can see us.
	So, it's probably going both ways, and for all we know, the technology that we're amassing on this side is something we're doing, is beginning to create a kind of a An opportunity.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Yes, this is Tom.
	Yes, Tom.
	Uh, yes, I wanted to talk about, um, that, uh, I noticed that, uh, you've been, everybody's been talking about free energy.
	And, uh... We talk about free energy a lot, yes.
	What's that?
	We talk about free energy a lot, yes.
	Yes, I was wondering if you wanted to have a, uh, solution to building one.
	I'm listening.
	Yes, I don't know if you've ever heard the book Perpetual Motion by Hume.
	Anyway, in there, he's got a story about a man who built one in 1715.
	Only most people don't think that, you know, that he actually built it, that he was a fake, you know.
	Where is it now?
	Well, no, he destroyed it.
	Why?
	Well, because he was trying to get people to give him a lot of money to put it in escrow and they failed to come up with the money and in those days they didn't have patents so a lot of people were getting curious about it and he destroyed it.
	However, he did have some professors who examined it without looking on the inside of it and they gave it various tests and they were convinced that he did have it.
	Oh, well that's crazy.
	You can be convinced of anything you want, but I'm not convinced.
	I mean, if somebody created a perpetual motion machine, i.e.
	free energy of some sort, and the people didn't come up with the money, would he care so little for humanity, and the future of humanity, that he would destroy it?
	Yikes!
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hey, this is Daryl called Southern Indiana.
	Yes, sir.
	A couple of quick questions about global warming.
	The first is, if the temperature really is rising just a couple of tenths of a degree, why is it making such a large impact on the planet?
	Alright, I'm not a meteorologist.
	I don't have the answer to that.
	I can tell you though that humanity exists in many places.
	The police have a very thin blue line.
	We have a very thin blue line in terms of the temperature extremes in which we can exist.
	And we're not getting just a few tenths of a degree change.
	We are getting degrees of change.
	And in places where it matters the most, like the North Pole, where the ice is melting, So fast that a lot of polar bears are drowning, you know, that kind of thing.
	And where we're going to have an ocean where we once had all ice.
	It's really happening.
	I think the consensus of scientists now around the world is that it's really happening and it's not tenths of degrees, it's degrees.
	Yes, I just agree.
	I think we get conflicting things over the radio and I just, I want to know, you know, who's telling the truth and who's lying.
	You know, that's what I don't understand.
	Another quick question is, is it true that the temperature is also heating up on Mars, or is that a myth?
	No, I believe that to be true.
	Now, I don't know it for sure.
	I don't take measurements on Mars, but I believe that the majority of planets are heating up, and now we may obviously be caught up in that.
	It may be part of it.
	The whole thing may be cyclical.
	It may be man's hand, it may not be man's hand.
	Personally, I don't think it makes a damn bit of difference.
	What does...
	Make a difference is that it's happening, that we can measure it, that we know it's true, that most scientists now agree the world is warming.
	Now, that's going to mean that we have to change where we grow things, where certain things will grow and where other things will not grow any longer.
	And so if we want to continue to feed our families, we'll begin to make changes based on what we know is happening, no matter whose fault it is.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	This is Jeremy from Sacramento.
	Jeremy!
	I wanted to talk to you about the mass consciousness experiment that y'all did last weekend, I believe.
	Alright.
	Yeah, I walked outside during that time, and I was just thinking, yeah, what are the chances?
	And I took my video camera out there, and I just spent about two minutes, you know, filming some of the bright stars out there, and then I figured I was wasting my time, so I went back inside and listened to the rest of your show, and about one o'clock at night, After I decided to review the tape, I noticed that the star immediately darted off to the left and shot off to the sky, and I never noticed that when I was looking through the camera.
	So I'd have to say, you know, if that's coincidence or, excuse me, I'm sorry, I'm a little nervous, but if that's coincidence, or maybe not, that mass consciousness experiment definitely worked.
	I mean... I know.
	It worked.
	It's amazing.
	I actually lost sleep over it, Art.
	I was like, I was supposed to go to bed.
	I gotta get up early in the morning.
	I was tossing and turning until five in the morning.
	I couldn't go to bed.
	My brain wouldn't let me.
	I know, buddy, I know.
	Thank you very much for the report.
	I know it worked.
	There's no question about it.
	It worked.
	That's all there is to it.
	Thousands and thousands of responses.
	It was amazing.
	Now, again, as I mentioned last night, I hold out the possibility that perhaps any time you would send millions of people out To watch the night sky, you're going to get a lot of reports of people who are seeing things.
	So, that's possible.
	But, gosh, the sheer numbers, the number of papers, newspapers that published stories, local news stations that carried reports and video of things that were seen in the night sky, the night we did it, and the several days following the experiment, is just overwhelming.
	With that caveat, I'll say it certainly was a success.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	What would your name be?
	My name is Siri.
	Okay.
	And it's wonderful to talk to you.
	Good to talk to you.
	What's on your mind?
	Well, several things, but I did want to finish up with a lighthearted story.
	But my first thing is, when you were reading the report about what the chemtrails contained?
	Yes.
	I didn't catch the first part as to where that came from.
	Idaho.
	Okay.
	My mental link was, I'm concerned about the bees, and I was wondering if maybe Coming from the chemtrails and getting into the plants.
	Do you listen to Coast to Coast Lawton?
	Yes, I do.
	Do you remember listening to Ed Dames?
	Yes, I do.
	Do you remember listening to Ed Dames talking about the bees?
	I read some of his stuff online when I was home.
	And I know about the quote from Einstein, but I can't say I recall exactly what Ed Dean said about it.
	He said that the bees would get in trouble, we wouldn't be able to pollinate.
	Now this is in the Idaho Observer.
	They looked at some samples supplied by some people who had complained of chemtrails.
	And according to the observer, the test revealed 6 bacteria, including anthrax and pneumonia.
	9 chemicals, including acetylene chloride.
	26 heavy metals, including arsenic, gold, lead, mercury, silver, uranium, and RMC.
	I still don't know what that is.
	7 viruses, 2 cancers, 2 vaccines, 2 sedatives, and a partridge in a pear tree.
	That's disgusting, isn't it?
	Now, the partridge in a pear tree, obviously, I threw in.
	The rest of it was all in what they tested from the chemtrails.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Good evening, Art.
	This is Scott from Appleton.
	Hi, Scott.
	Just thought I'd talk to you about tripping some of the old neurons in your memory center.
	Here's some things that'll let you know how long you've been around electronics.
	if you think about what Pioneer, Mariner, Keros and Telstar all mean.
	Okay.
	Remember the early days of the space program and the first satellite that went up?
	Oh yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Yeah, back then when you wanted to make a long distance call across the sea you had
	to wait for the Telstar satellite and long distance cost an arm and a leg.
	Listen brother, I go back further than that.
	I...
	When I spent time on the island of Okinawa ten years, and you wanted to call home, you did it by shortwave radio.
	And when radio conditions weren't good, you didn't talk to home.
	Yeah, that's for sure.
	Well, then you remember being an amateur radio operator like my dad, Mars, the military amateur radio service.
	Yes, I ran phone patches back to the States for the guys in Vietnam.
	Yeah, because I had an uncle that was serving over in Korea during the Vietnam War, then I also had another uncle who was over in Vietnam.
	And being in Okinawa, you'll remember the great stuff that Panasonic put out back then, back in the 60s.
	Well, of course.
	The little TVs and the radios and their little reel-to-reel tape recorders.
	Sure.
	And what one of my uncles did when he was on leave from Vietnam, he was in Manila, He picked up a couple of little Panasonic reel-to-reel tape recorders that used 4D batteries.
	He sent one home to my grandparents here in the States, and he had the other one with him in Vietnam.
	And what he would do, he would tape letters from home, and then send the tapes to them, and they'd listen to them, and then they'd tape a letter back to him on the same little tapes and send it back.
	Actually, testing my memory cells in this area brings to mind not the name Panasonic, but Roberts.
	And, uh, Roberts was generally what most of us bought, uh, back in the old, good old reel-to-reel tape days.
	The days of, uh, splicing, razor blades, and, well, those of you who were there, you remember.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Mark online over the internet.
	Yes, Mark.
	I want to talk about, I tried to get in last night about contactees.
	I've been a contactee since I was 3.
	How old are you now?
	62.
	Wow.
	1985 in the suburb of Melbourne, Australia.
	I looked at the clock, it was about 10, 9 o'clock, went to bed early.
	I've had an experience of being out of body, which I've had for most of my life, so it wasn't really very unusual for me.
	Okay, we have very little time.
	Come on on the top of the hour.
	I'll get through it real quick.
	Unusual for me anyway.
	I was taken up and then to a smaller craft and then off to a really large craft and the people there were more like the tall Nordics.
	And then I was examined, and then I was taken into a room with thousands of other people, other humans that were there.
	And there was a huge view screen like on Star Trek turned on, and they were going by really fast.
	And now things are happening, because I ask telepathic, how am I going to see and remember all this stuff?
	And so then all of a sudden, they said, you'll know in the right time.
	And so now these things are starting to happen.
	The speeding up of time, the environmental things, the wars.
	Alright, listen, we've got to hold it right there.
	I wish we had more time.
	Your story is obviously interesting.
	You want to hear an interesting story?
	Stay tuned.
	Jim Sparks, coming next.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Here I am.
	Jim Sparks is on the way.
	Jim Sparks lives here in the Nevada desert.
	He works as a debt consultant.
	Born in 1954, he spent his early years in Florida.
	Sparks studied real estate at a community college in Florida, began working for a major condominium firm.
	Who eventually moved him to Houston, Texas in 79.
	After 12 years, he began J&J Properties, a natural land development company, which mostly operated in North Carolina.
	Sparks was now able to use his own philosophy and forbid removing more trees than necessary on each lot.
	At 34 years of age, Sparx was happily married and financially successful when his experiences with other worldly beings started.
	Life as he knew it began to unravel with these unexplained incidents.
	Now, 18 years later, Sparks has moved from register to cooperator, make that resistor, to cooperator, and is sharing his experiences with others.
	A conservationist at heart, Jim encourages others to support his work being done by the Nature Conservancy, that's a good group, to help save critical acreage in the Atlantic Forest region of South America.
	He's an amazing man, actually I tried to reach out and get him an hour early so we could spend more time with him just because he's got such an extensive knowledge And memory, a very accurate memory of what happened to him, you'll begin to hear about it in a moment!
	Jim Sparks, welcome back to the program!
	Hello, Jim.
	Hello, Jim.
	Jim Sparks is not there at the moment.
	We will hold and see what happens.
	Oh, how anticlimactic is that, huh?
	The big build-up and then he's not there.
	Well, obviously we'll try and get Jim back.
	However, let me tell you this while we're waiting.
	This man, above and beyond all other people that maybe he's been abducted, my God, He is a many-time abductee.
	Now, while I don't think that's really the case, who knows?
	Jim Sparks is an amazing man.
	Of all the people we've had on who have been abducted, and God knows we've had many of them on this program, he is the most articulate, has the best memory of what occurred to him, and is able to relate to us so much knowledge about those who did abduct him.
	It's just absolutely amazing.
	We're going to try one more time.
	Jim Sparks, welcome to the program.
	Oh, great.
	It's great to be here, Art.
	Thanks.
	What happened?
	I heard a crackle click and it was gone.
	I just heard another one.
	Yeah.
	Oh, boy.
	I know.
	Well, if it can, it will.
	All right.
	Well, all right.
	Jim, in order to, obviously, there are some out there who are not here for the first two programs we did.
	So while I don't want to spend a lot of time on it, I do want to sort of recap how this began for you and how it manifested.
	There will be a lot of new listeners tonight, I guarantee.
	Okay.
	It started for me in mid-88.
	Prior to 88, as far as I was concerned, as I mentioned before, I didn't think anything like this could be.
	I didn't study the subject, I wasn't into the subject at all.
	And for myself, it was like dreamlike experiences.
	And I kept, in mid-'88, I kept having the same recurring dream
	that something or some things were coming into the bedroom, escorting me off the bed, out of the bedroom, down the
	hallway, and then we would get into the guest room area,
	and we had a ground-level window, and they would walk me right through the window.
	Going to the woods, something would take place there.
	At that time, I had no memory of it after crossing the lawn.
	And then they would bring me back the same way and back down the hallway and into the bed again.
	And as I mentioned before, this just went over.
	It happened time and time again.
	And as far as I was concerned, it was just a dream.
	But one particular evening, the dream was extremely vivid.
	And after the experience was over, I had walked into the Yes true and I saw where my footprints were embedded in the lawn and at that time in our lawn we had thousands of these little what I call honeysuckle flowers draped across the lawn and I could see a heel of one foot outside and I could see the toes and the ball of my feet embedded in the carpet inside only there was a window right in the middle with the flowers and the grass and everything all spewed into the
	So, that was the beginning stages of what I refer to as going the easy way, meaning that what I've learned over the years is when they're on the ground or the crafts are landed, they escort you via these little worker beams, and it's not so torquing on your system.
	That was their way, in a sense, of getting one accustomed to the fact that, hey, we're Uh, even though it was dreamlike at first, and then it became, um, a conscious, uh, awareness, totally, like, face-to-face.
	And then, there was the, uh, uh, rude and abrupt, I don't know if I mentioned it this way before, uh, introduction to what I call being taken the hard way.
	Excuse me, that itemized was, uh, when crafts are in the air, and they literally pull you from the ground, be it in your home or wherever you may be, And that's when it's really rough on your system.
	Really rough.
	First you hear a slow, whirling, whipping sound that increases and the RPM increases and it gets louder and louder.
	And then you get a sensation in the pit of your stomach that starts working its way up to your chest.
	And then when it gets to your heart, your heart starts racing.
	I mean, just really fast.
	And you think you're going to die.
	And then there's this acceleration.
	a sense of as if you're on a roller coaster and you're going down instead of up.
	So the sensation always felt like I was being pulled down only a hundred times faster.
	And inside your mind you're just screaming, I don't want to die, I don't want to die, and your heart's
	racing at a thousand miles an hour.
	And then you black out.
	Then...
	Jim, let me just stop you there for one second.
	I've had a lot of people describe what you just said to me in much the same way, and I sort of wondered, as you were saying it, I wonder how many people they've attempted to abduct with a bad heart, who then just had a heart attack and died, and, you know, it was ruled a natural death, because what else could it be?
	Well, I could actually... I can't say that I've seen anything like that or experienced other people go through that and die, fortunately for me.
	Well, right, we wouldn't know.
	Yeah, right, but yeah, because you're, believe it or not, over the years you develop, you get accustomed to it, but still, even the first several years of it, there's a sensation throughout the whole thing that there's something about your system that tells you you're alive, and you know that if you let go of that, you're convinced you're going to pass on.
	Yes.
	And that's the scariest part.
	So when your heart's racing like that, and you're feeling that acceleration, and what's happening is, where there's any mercy at all in it, is the fact that you black out.
	Now, I've had others say, well, maybe that's because it's tremendous G-forces.
	I've had them say different reasons, but just before the point of blacking out, you're convinced that's it.
	I'm no longer going to be here.
	And then you're gone.
	It's black.
	And then when you open your eyes, you're sick.
	You're nauseous.
	You feel like you just went through that, right?
	And you went from point A to point B, and then when you're at point B, it takes a few moments, and then you start realizing yourself again.
	And you're there!
	Well, when you say you're there, what do you now remember about point B?
	Point B, particularly in those days, for the first six years, was always the same place.
	It was A room on board.
	It was always the same room.
	It had... I always found myself sitting at something that was like a bench.
	I was, for the most part, almost totally paralyzed.
	In front of me was something that looked like a... I called it a screen table, for lack of a better term.
	There was a table in front of me and it had a large screen on it.
	Uh, and then in front of that, uh, there was a wall, like five, eight feet in front of me, which was another, uh, on the wall was another screen.
	And, and as it turned out over, over the months and years, uh, different images and different experiments and different things were conducted in that setting.
	But I was sitting up, uh, the only thing that could move the majority of the time in those first six years were my head could go up and down slow and my, uh, right arm And right forefinger was always propped on this table that I could move my right forefinger.
	And if I drew a vertical line or a horizontal line, it was like an exosketch, so to speak.
	And those images would appear either on that table or they would appear on the wall, depending on what they were doing.
	And that's how I found myself almost all the time the first six years.
	It was horrible.
	They were trying to teach you Teach you things and get you to react in certain ways and they actually began to apparently teach you an alphabet, correct?
	Yeah, and that that thing was and as I mentioned before I think what maybe made me different was the fact that right from the jump I Didn't want anything to do with it.
	I was filled with extreme anger extreme hate and Loathing was the minimum of how I felt for them.
	I didn't want to be there.
	I didn't know who they were.
	I didn't know why I was there.
	Everything was completely out of context.
	Here you are at home.
	The next thing you know, you go through this travel experience, and then, blam, you're there.
	And they were, you know, right to the point, even on the first visit, so to speak, or the first abduction, or when I was pulled the first time, which is to convert letters, starting with A, To what I called an alien equivalent symbol.
	As the years progressed, I later feel that it was just the beginning stages of teaching humans how to be telepathic, which is to focus your thoughts and focus them into symbols.
	And you had to direct the symbols exactly, motion, direction.
	Sounded out in your head and it kind of stands to reason I'm thinking one day Once I feel like there will be telepathy I think will be common one day even for us and I feel like if Your brain can transmit transmits or radiates energy and it's scattered energy and if you can just not necessarily focus the energy at an object which would be another individual as you be in the transmitter and then being the receiver and But focus the energy in a symbol form, like a sentence or a thought, in just one symbol, and it's always doing the same thing.
	So let's say, hypothetically, the symbol for open the door, or on, would be to do a circle in your mind, starting from the bottom, let's say, and go, and then you don't, one thing they didn't, God I can go on with that, but they, you didn't do the conventional methods of transcribing letters and symbols, You had to start at different points, ending points, or the middle of a normal letter where it would be.
	I guess so your mind is learning something different even though you're familiar with stuff.
	And so you would have a strong circle in your mind.
	And so it would be easier for something, a receiver, to pick up something that's like a circle versus a scattered thought of turn on something.
	And so each one of these symbols meant something.
	Each one was strong.
	And each of them can be picked up.
	And that symbols, after many years of those early years, they're 100% telepathic, and they normally would communicate with you where you can hear what they're saying in your head, but they wanted us three, or me, to rely more on what they were showing me versus how they would just naturally do it.
	And over the time, it learned a whole different alphabet, so to speak, and telepathy with them, and we communicated back and forth that way.
	Okay, there are many symbol-like languages on Earth.
	Is there any analogy you can come up with?
	What do these symbols look like?
	Obviously the early ones were very simple, circles or something else, but when you really got to their, what you call their alphabet, can you describe what the symbols were like?
	Yeah, sometimes folks will come up and they'll They'll have a piece of paper and they'll say, does this look familiar to you, or have you ever seen anything like this, or this is ancient from 2,000 years ago, and I'll look.
	And there's something common, what I've learned about the symbols, is that they're more like squiggly lines, and that the pen, or the pen in the mind, so to speak, isn't ever lifted.
	So everything's like a solid, primarily.
	Primarily you draw from the bottom.
	You go from Uh, right to left, uh, and for example, let's say, um, hello, how are you is a shorthand, like a Craig shorthand in a sense.
	I'm not saying I'm real familiar with Craig shorthand because somebody brought up that term and said this is sort of like that, but hi, how are you is just like a little short squiggly thing.
	And then hi, how are you becomes shortened by, uh, or the, uh, the term hi, how are you would be shortened even smaller to where it's almost a dot.
	So your finger is vibrating.
	And that's why my forefinger would be a lot beyond that table.
	Hi, how are you?
	And it would get to the point where my finger would, every time, like I'm talking to you right now, my right forefinger would vibrate in the exact directions in motion without me thinking about it anymore to where our words and thoughts are transformed into that symbolic form.
	So now my finger is doing it as I'm speaking.
	What I learned, and I'm glad you asked me this, as time went on, Your body naturally would even vibrate to that, and as I speak to you right now, as I'm talking to you, my right four fingers on the table, so to speak, and it's moving in the direction of the symbols that I learned, your body vibrates that, and you're vibrating thoughts physically, and then they're picked up.
	So, the way it worked was, here's where it went to something that just astounded me, particularly the first day, when I realized what was going on with it.
	I was just like floored.
	They had taken several pages of normal written text for me to read, and I was reading the text, and it was about a friend, somebody I knew, where he was born, what his likes were, what his dislikes were, what his childhood was like, what schools he went to, and when he got married, and he's a buddy of mine, and I'm reading about a buddy page after page, and I'm thinking, why are you having me do this?
	And that was several pages of text.
	Then, presented before me, was one page of that new symbol form that we had learned, and it was like a half a page, or less than a half a page, so the whole 20 pages of text was now reduced to a half a page, and I could read the symbols, and I was going, oh my god, I can actually read these symbols, and I am getting this story.
	Now, the next thing that was presented Uh, which really floored me, uh, was they presented something, uh, about the size of, between the quarter, between the size of a quarter and a 50 cent piece, and it had the, the, the shorthand version, version in squigglies, and they were vibrating inside this coin, so that when they flashed the coin in front of my face, I say a coin, but it wasn't, it was just this circle thing, I got the whole story, like, instantaneously.
	It's like, and the, the best way I could describe that would be, If someone were to say to you, just a simple term, Old Yeller.
	Now, what we're capable of is, you remember the movie, right?
	Of course.
	We all cried, yes.
	Yeah?
	And so everything about that movie, everything that went place, flashes before you, and you got the whole movie in an instant.
	And it's the same thing with that type of communication.
	So you could see these symbols, And the symbol would contain the whole story, only an extremely shortened version, and you'd have it in a matter of seconds.
	So it went from what I thought was pure torture, learn A, B, C, and convert it over, and I didn't want to do it.
	Actually, some of it was torture.
	In other words, in order to teach you, particularly at an early stage when you didn't want to learn, they virtually did torture you, didn't they?
	It was punishment and reward, no doubt.
	Punishment would be Uh, they, they would increase the levels of pressure, air pressure, in the room.
	So, and I was pretty much the same, uh, uh, you know, I was pretty predictable.
	No, I wasn't gonna do anything.
	Every time I was there, I did everything in my power, any, every, anything in my ability to fight them tooth and nail.
	I wasn't gonna cooperate in any way, shape, or form.
	If I can mess up any plan, if I can mess up any experiment, and it, it leads me to believe it's probably why I remember a lot, because all I was doing was scrapping with them.
	And, uh, but if, If they wanted me to get a letter, or convert a letter to a symbol, and I said no, as I usually would, there would be a thumping sound, a whooping sound, like thump, and then the air pressure would increase in the room at a short jolt, and it would be painful, right?
	And then they would increase the levels.
	I'd go, no, you can't get me to do that, and it would be stronger, it would be louder, and then the levels would steady increase until it was just not worth resisting anymore, and then I would squiggle the line.
	But then on the other side of the coin, there would be reward sessions, and it was based on punishment and reward.
	And what was the reward?
	For the most part, as I mentioned earlier, they do not like questions.
	That's something I learned about their nature, and over the years I just don't.
	If they want you to know something, they'll let you know.
	If not, you're just not going to know unless they want you to.
	So asking questions is like a big no-no and extreme annoyance, so you don't.
	Early on, I was always calling them things, and I made names up for them that, you know, cuss words that never existed for them.
	I can imagine.
	Yeah.
	But however, if you did ask a question, and they did answer it, and it was not time for them to answer, they would always answer in riddles.
	Hold it right there, Jim.
	Hold it right there.
	We've got a break.
	We're out of break.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast.
	My guest is Jim Sparks.
	I want to refer you most urgently, if you didn't hear them, to the first two programs we did with Jim Sparks.
	You've absolutely got to hear them.
	Now, we're not going to spend a lot of time on some of the early stuff, but we've got to have a foundation for what we're doing tonight, so a little bit of it, and then we're going to move on to new material.
	He's got so much to say, but by all means, go back and listen carefully to the first two programs we did with Jim Sparks.
	He'll be right back.
	Once again, Jim Sparks.
	So, pain and pleasure to teach, much as you would teach a puppy or something.
	Jim, when you got a reward, was it always the answer to a question or were there other methods of reward?
	Well, in the early years, I forgoed, I guess if that's the proper term, or I would pass on a lot of what was offered in the reward sessions because I didn't.
	My take at the time was, I don't want anything from you.
	I don't care what it is, even if it's pleasurable or even if it's knowledge.
	And for a long time, I wouldn't even accept any of the reward sessions.
	But as time went on, I realized that if I wanted to get out of there, the more I cooperated and then would have a reward session, the quicker I would get home.
	So that conditioning worked, but it took a long time.
	I would rarely get a question answered.
	There would be something that they do, too, which would be sexual energy.
	Yeah, I had a feeling that's where you were going.
	Yeah, euphoria.
	They can, as science fiction as all this sounds, or has sounded, but they can take any kind of human energy and store it.
	Be it hate, be it love, be it euphoria, be it whatever it may be.
	I suspect that over time what they do with a lot of that is barter with it.
	I think when they travel, so to speak, if you have a person that has this air about them of leadership and they just have
	this magnetic personality and you want to follow every word he or she may say, I think
	that they can offer those sensations which can be commercially extremely productive.
	I think that when they deal and barter with different individuals, be it someone who's
	in power, someone who may be in the military, someone who may be whatever it is that they're
	trying to gain, it's something that they can use as chips or play chips so to speak.
	Boy, that's logical.
	Probably in our own future.
	Michael in Boulder, Colorado fast blasted me a good one.
	He says, I just finished reading Mr. Spark's new book.
	And I've got a question.
	Does Jim know enough about the number system and the alien alphabet that he could actually teach this to others, or is there so much of an unknown psychic component to the whole teaching bit that he can't?
	That's a good question, and actually there has to be, for the most part, their presence To make sense out of a lot of this, and it is, one can say, a psychic presence too, just their psyche, because their minds are such that their thoughts are radiated and they can screen image where you can see things that may be in your mind and then it's transmitted in a holographic form, which looks like it's hanging in the air, so to speak.
	They are in a dimension instead of just a flat surface.
	A lot of it takes on dimension, and when they're there, it activates that.
	But not necessarily all of it, but a big part of it is that way.
	I feel that in relating to you or to me or to others where we could use it, in essence at this point, As we discussed in the last show, I was mentioning that you said that you were into communicating with the dots and dashes in Morse code, so to speak, and you would pick up to the point where you wouldn't even have to write it down.
	You know what the sequence is, and you hear the words in your mind, and then you're carrying on a conversation almost like normal.
	Jim, it's still true.
	After all these years, it's still true.
	And certain symbols are like that, so that you pick up, you know that when you see the images of symbols in your mind, you know what the meaning is.
	But the primary idea behind it, I believe, is once the experts get their hands on this stuff, and they can probably make good use of it, you're not only telepathically communicating, but you're also doing it in a way, in symbolic form, Where, as I was mentioning earlier in the show, that you can get 20 texts of information as a person, and that data comes in a stream, and then you understand it within, you know, a split second.
	Okay, so you could, you feel you could teach this to somebody?
	Yes.
	Yes, to a certain degree, the elementary form, sure.
	Because there are standards that stay, that hold strict discipline, so to speak.
	I'm waiting for the time, I guess, Art, for these things that I picked up and these things that I've learned and it seems like different situations come up and the timing is right and I present something and it's the right people or the right person or the right person at the right time.
	And it's something that maybe they've been studying for years, and then it gives them answers to things that they haven't been able to find, and things start coming together.
	So I feel like a lot of this, and I've seen it over the years, it's just a matter of me being at the right place at the right time with the right people, and it gels.
	All right.
	All right.
	Your contact was primarily with what we know as the Greys and the Reptilians, yes?
	Yeah, 95% Grey, I would say 3 to 5% Reptilian and rare occasions humanoid beings.
	And it wasn't uncommon with the gray contact in that 95% scenario for there to be military individuals.
	Making it very plain that that's what they were and I could see them and interact many times over.
	Okay, Jim, you make note of the nature and personality of the greys and the reptilians, for that matter.
	I'm very interested in that.
	You detected differences, in other words, in the greys themselves.
	You were able to discern individual personalities.
	I think what most abductees deal with are the worker bees.
	And they don't have much of a personality, if any at all, because they're part robotic and they're part biological.
	And they react and interact in that manner.
	And I think the big part of the time people spend as an abductee is with those guys, or those beings, or those things, or the worker beings.
	Then there's definitely a distinct difference between them and what I call, for lack of better terms, True aliens, meaning that they're the real McCoy.
	They're the ones that create these beings.
	There's the reptilians, or what are commonly referred to as reptilians.
	They're the ones with personality.
	They're the ones with emotions, feelings.
	They slow way down to communicate, whereas on the part of the greys, They pretty much don't have emotion, or they don't come across with emotion, but there is ways to distinguish one individual from another, and it's an energy they radiate.
	I learned that, in a lot of uncomfortable ways over the years, but now I'm used to it, that you could be in the room, let's say, with two greys, And they're radiating this energy, and you sense it, because usually the energy is not a comfortable one, because after all, it's not of this world.
	So what are you discerning, Jim?
	Are you discerning the level of the energy you're getting from them, or the nature of it?
	I would say both, because I could tell that when an authority, be it by rank, or be it Whatever authority the particular gray is in, what emanates out of that individual is more powerful than what emanates out of maybe one with lesser authority.
	For example, there would be times, and this just happened haphazardly, or it would seem haphazardly, but I started seeing a pattern, whether I was supposed to or not, where a big part of the work that they did with me in the early years was with this, that Table I said was in front of me.
	It was artificial intelligence.
	And this is 19 years ago.
	I don't know what we were doing with that then.
	It could read your thoughts.
	It could interact with you.
	It would teach you.
	I called it a teaching machine.
	It would teach you how to transcribe or change the R letters to their letters.
	And a lot of the experience went on with this machine.
	If I was highly uncooperative, Uh, which I was a lot, but let's say we're where the machine couldn't control what it wanted to do with me, then worker beings would come in and give it a shot.
	If, if it didn't work with them, then see, I started seeing these levels.
	You see where I'm coming from with this?
	Yes, I do.
	And then I, if I was even more stubborn and fighting tooth and nail, a true alien would come into the room.
	Now, when a true alien, what I call true alien or true gray comes into the room, They radiate an energy, and I had mentioned earlier, that's not comfortable.
	It's miserably uncomfortable.
	Now, let me discern here.
	You say a true alien, or a, you said, true grey.
	So, it would still be what we classically, and I think most of the audience listeners to this program knows what a grey is, but they would still essentially look like the classic grey, but you'd be very obviously aware You're dealing with a higher intelligence?
	No, they're physically a little bit different, too, Art.
	Oh, okay.
	They're a foot or two taller.
	Oh.
	Their eyes are not as big as the worker beans, so the worker beans have the real big eyes.
	You know, you heard me say before, I feel like the eyes on the worker beans are that large to get any kind of light or any kind of stimuli, I think, energizes them.
	I think it's a purpose for the big eyes.
	But the grays themselves, yes, their eyes are bigger, definitely bigger than ours, but they're not as big as the worker beans, the giant almond-shaped eyes.
	They're a little bit taller, and their skin is leather-like.
	And you can make out what appears to be maybe wrinkles.
	So you can distinguish a little bit of difference from one to another.
	All right, so then obviously it follows that these worker greys were made in the image of, but not in... You've got it.
	Right?
	You've got it.
	Okay.
	Yeah, let us make them in our image, sort of thing.
	So there are some funny sides, and that is a funny side.
	That's kind of hysterical.
	But I've seen also the worker beans with human beans.
	Doing tasks for them.
	I've seen them with, they accompany reptilians, and they also accompany Gray.
	So this is some sort of a, almost a commodity, or it's literally what they are.
	They run tasks for you, and you program them however they program them, and they do it.
	So they're part biological and part robotic.
	But now there's rank and order within the Gray.
	And as a human being, the way you determine who has a higher rank is discerned by that energy again, for lack of a better term, that's radiated from the being.
	And the more powerful that energy is, it overwhelms you.
	And if they bring in a high enough rank, so to speak, then no matter how you fight, you're going to give in.
	Where if the worker beans couldn't get control of me, then a gray would come into the room.
	They would be radiating an energy.
	I would be again paralyzed at this bench, and they would lean over, or he would, I always refer to most of them as he's.
	That's just something I sense.
	He or it would lean over my head and be staring into my head, and then project images, project Uh, thoughts of cooperating, and it would be something you would be fighting, and at times I would be so angry I could resist it.
	And in those cases, another one would come into the room, but then you would sense his presence, or its presence, several feet away.
	It could be 20 feet, 30 feet away, and as this beam started getting closer, now you're just, everything's dumping from your head into your system, and you're just, you're broke down completely, and it leans over your head, and you just do.
	Jim, when these so-called real aliens, the greys that emanated the greater energy, would deal with you, could you at that point begin to discern some sort of personality, some sort of emotion, some sort of difference that was marked?
	The closest thing to emotion, and now see this took years and years and years, the closest sense to emotion Excuse me.
	That I could pick up in the early years, the first sense would be an emotion of cynicism.
	The highest compliments that I ever got paid, which to me were almost like feelings for these guys, were two things that were said to me.
	One was, you're a friend.
	And then the other one was, you understand us.
	And in all the interactions that you have with the grays, they're just cut dry, bland, and you just get no sense of feeling at all.
	And of course it always annoyed me.
	Now the worker beans, on the other hand, I used to mess with them because I sensed that They were part, the material that they were using, or the raw material, was derived from us to make these worker beans, other than the robotic parts.
	I don't mean to sound scary here, but if I had mentioned earlier, there was 360 degrees, and each degree was thousands of millions of bits of data and agenda on their part.
	I was savvy to, you know, one or two degrees in this whole 19 years, and one of them was with This intimacy with the worker bean type.
	So, on one occasion, I always tried to get some kind of an emotional or a response of self-awareness out of them, like the self-realized that they exist.
	And the closest that I had ever came was, there were lots of times when I said I was paralyzed a lot, I could always yell and scream until they just got sick of hearing it.
	And for whatever reason, they then paralyzed my vocal cords.
	And I would yell and scream different things at them.
	I would call them different things.
	But on one particular session, I said, you're the most pathetic, lowest forms of life.
	You have no feelings.
	You don't care.
	And you don't even know you exist.
	And both of them stopped.
	I got two of them to stop on their tracks.
	And you don't even know you exist.
	You don't even know you exist.
	I'm sorry, let me get a sip of water here.
	No, that's right.
	Maybe you hit them right square between the big eyes.
	So, low humidity in the desert.
	Nonetheless, there was a moment where two of them stopped on their tracks that I can remember vividly in the last 19 years.
	It had captured their attention and I could see that they were, for the first time, looking within themselves as if Am I something?
	Do I exist?
	And then what happened afterwards told me I was getting somewhere because a true alien or a grey came into the room.
	He could somehow sense that they weren't doing what they were supposed to be doing because I had them stop in their feet.
	And he said, and his words were maybe not proper English, don't say that to them.
	Don't say that to them.
	And then, you know, the sensation of guilt came over me as if, okay, so I'm making something aware that it's aware.
	Like you had mistreated a dog or something.
	Yeah, right.
	Don't say that to them.
	And then they went on doing their normal thing.
	So, rank and file.
	So, like in the military.
	So, they radiate an air, an energy that's uncomfortable, it's overbearing, it's extremely powerful.
	And see, now these guys aren't talking.
	They're telepathic.
	And they radiate this stuff.
	Lends one to understand the difference between who has more power, who has more rank, and who has more authority.
	Sure.
	Okay, that could definitely be classified in the dislike area.
	Something they disliked or they were uncomfortable with.
	Were you able to ever figure out anything they liked?
	Yeah, over time they had very peculiar There were some things that just, well, I mean, does any of this really make real sense?
	But yes, a lot of it starts to make sense over time.
	But there were things about, I guess you can say, it started off with me during different sessions with me interacting with particular scenarios like war.
	So they would.
	War.
	War.
	They like war?
	They have an interest in how we see war, how we feel about war, how we think about war, and over time it was an area that I think that they just had a fondness in learning about.
	Hold tight.
	Hold tight, Jim.
	Boy, time is flying.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Apparently war is good for something.
	Catching the attention, even the Interest of aliens.
	They like the subject of war.
	We'll get back to that and Jim Sparks in a moment.
	By the way, those of you who commented that we had not done two interviews, that's true with Jim Sparks.
	Only one, but it was a, well from his point of view, a four-hour interview.
	I extended the whole thing.
	We went five hours that night.
	So that's the one you want to listen to.
	Believe me, you want to listen to it.
	This as an extension To that.
	So if you find this interesting, compelling, which I'm sure you will as the program goes on, if you haven't already, go back and listen to that first program.
	You'll get the entire base for what you're hearing tonight.
	I'm Art Bell.
	We'll be right back.
	Once again, Jim Sparks.
	Jim, any idea what it was about war that fascinated them?
	I think a lot of it had to do with because throughout history we're always doing it.
	And so there would be Many, many, many, many thousands of holograms are interacting and communicating with scenes of war from tens of thousands of years ago, even longer, to present-day war.
	They're enthralled with it, and they also seem to be enthralled with We as humans, as to what we see in it, by constantly showing me different things, different things, different things, and getting my reaction to it.
	Earlier, there are some things that, something that came to mind when I said that if there's an emotion, an emotional, it would be like a cynical or cynicism.
	Yes.
	Something that was kind of funny that happened.
	The funniest, I guess you could call it a joke, On their part, after 19 years, the only quote-unquote closest thing to a joke was I had done particularly super well in one training session, and so I knew that I could ask a question when it was time for the reward session.
	So my question was, it wasn't funny to me at first, but I think back and I laugh about it.
	I said, what?
	And I thought it was a good question.
	What is faster than light?
	Huh?
	Ah, right?
	Okay.
	Yes.
	So, what appeared in a hologram form was a hologram or picture of my face and a musket rifle to the right of my head and then a musket rifle to the left of my head at a 45 degree angle where the muzzle was, the two muzzles were close to my head and then the The firing mechanism had just went off and the musket balls were about to blast me, so to speak.
	And then the telepathic, which was cynicism.
	It was meant to be a joke.
	It wasn't funny to me at the time, but when I look back at it now, it was.
	Um, what we'd hope would be faster than the speed of light would be you not being here anymore because of all the trouble that you've given us.
	And I just, at the time, I didn't think it was funny.
	I said, man, I can't believe it.
	You know, you put me through all this, you traumatized me, all this stuff, and you think this is funny.
	But over the years now, I I reflect back on that.
	It's pretty humorous.
	Did you ever get any answers that you can relate to us that will tell us anything about them, where they're from, what their motivations are, what they want, and why they're here?
	Well, they're just not forthcoming about where they're from.
	And over the years, why they're here, well, that's a different thing.
	But over the years, what I've picked up is the fact that the foundation of where you're from Would be like what we relate to, like we're from a place.
	We're from either a planet or we're from, if you want to go deeper, we're from this dimension, so to speak.
	And these guys, they live so long.
	They may live thousands, they may live tens of thousands of years.
	They may never even really die and go from one maybe cubical body to the next, because the technology is such.
	So where they're from, relative to traveling time, Relative to traveling dimensions, relative to being from one physical plane to the other, what similarities are there, where the law of physics apply there, they don't hear, and so on and so forth, is over the millenniums, in essence, they're not really from one particular place, is what I'm picking up.
	So, they're not really forthcoming with that answer.
	So I've learned, will I one day perhaps?
	Again, I've learned that they don't like questions.
	And it's always the same questions, and I can see why, because whenever people are abducted, or just more than myself, or a mass abduction, and there is some brief moments of conscious interaction, it's always the same thing.
	Who are you?
	Where are you from?
	Why are you here?
	And on and on and on, and that's all they hear, and that's what they've been hearing for thousands of years, so they cut themselves off to it.
	But, yeah, they aren't infatuated by this business with war.
	And then things that really threw me off that I didn't expect, which was hats.
	Hats.
	Hats.
	Hats from thousands and thousands of years ago that we wore.
	Hats in fashion.
	Police hats.
	Military hats.
	Caps.
	Hats with feathers.
	Hats hats hats.
	Head covering.
	And so they focus on hats.
	Maybe they think it has something to do with our brains.
	Natural extension from our heads, right?
	Well, they have asked at times, where is your hat?
	Why don't you wear a hat?
	And I just don't.
	I just don't wear a hat.
	Not that I... Every now and then I'll throw a baseball cap on or something.
	I don't feel like shaving or something.
	I've got to run some errands on the day off, but I mean that's about it.
	So there's a fascination with hats.
	Uniforms.
	That is interesting.
	Now you've described the greys, the various greys, very well to us in a way I've never heard before.
	What about the reptilians?
	Could you actually physically describe a reptilian?
	There's different types.
	There's one type that is huge.
	They look like the size of linebackers.
	They're extremely broad-chested and broad-shouldered.
	Their skin is scaly, but their heads are what distinguishes them from the other.
	Not so much how their face would look, so much as to what protrudes out of their foreheads.
	The top of their heads and their foreheads, where I guess the cognitive and maybe the higher thinking is, jets out different from others, meaning that their brow can be hanging almost, almost misshaping and hideous, okay?
	So your first glance at this, it would literally scare you, maybe even scare you to death.
	But over time, you realize that these guys are the ones with feelings.
	These are the ones with emotions.
	They're the ones that will go through the trouble of explaining what's going on with the planet, what's going on with the Earth, what's going on with the environment, what they've been trying to accomplish with leaders and so forth, and now the average person, which I consider myself the average person.
	But physically, their heads are misshapen on the forehead part, where their brains are extended out, and it's almost as if the outer shell Okay.
	protects the brain like it would us, but however they are raised or they grow, there's more
	freedom for that part of the brain to jet out or extend out, which I think perhaps might
	even give them better intelligence capabilities.
	Then there's this other type that they look more like a snake or a lizard.
	Their size, they stand up.
	Their size is more like ours.
	Their face is shaped snake-like or lizard-like, and they seem to have more of a right-to-the-point, business-like attitude, and I've even picked up a cynical sense of humor from them.
	Alright, would there be a way, Jim, that you could describe the Reptilians' relationship to the Real Greys?
	Would you describe it as their allies, or would you say the Reptilians are the bosses in running the show and directing even the Real Greys?
	From what I could see, and from what I've experienced, the latter of what you just said.
	Which is, I don't see them as allies, but I see them as Directing them and see I was in the hands of the greys for many years before I'd have these short excursion interactions with With the reptilians, so it was the the greys that basically taught you know this this human this untamed wild one To behave and so whenever I'm in in the presence of any of these I
	I'm not paralyzed like I was before, and I don't make trouble.
	I know how to act.
	I know just to stand there.
	I know to listen.
	I know not to move quick.
	I know not to make any signs of aggression, and most of all, not ask questions.
	And so I know how to behave, and all of that came from interaction with the Grace.
	So it led me to believe that, plus there have been interactions where When they explain that they've given technology, and some of the stuff is just so simple, Art.
	I mean, it's easy stuff.
	We gave technology to provide energy needs, to provide different needs that people need, to leaders, and they've turned around and made money with it and weapons with it.
	And the primary push Here as of late would be to make contact with individuals like myself and others around the planet.
	I think that inevitably it'll reach the point of critical mass.
	Abductions have been done and mass abductions over the years and involving hundreds if not thousands of people all in one swoop getting environmental lessons.
	And like the gentleman that I had mentioned to you before, the one I had saw on board on the last show, where I mentioned someone's name, and I got to see him in an environmental abduction, so to speak, getting environmental lessons, and to watch this person flower and what he is with all his talents and all his resources, and to watch that flower into something Very powerful for the rainforest and the environment and all the power and the resources that he has to put it to use for that and just knowing where the seed, you know, for that stuff was planted from.
	So, you know, there's those positive aspects.
	So, I know that the reptilians get the bad rap because a lot of stories I hear, unfortunately, are the rape stories where they do this and they do that.
	Other people tell me that.
	That's, in my experience, I haven't seen anything like that.
	The cold ones are the greys and the ones that seem more human-like are the reptilians.
	And do you think that, and of course we hear, I hear so many abduction stories, Jim, do you think the majority of people never in effect graduate from the greys to the point where they see the reptilians?
	In other words, they may be abducted for whatever purpose and then returned and never have another experience?
	I'm really unique in that respect, and it's not that I want to be.
	I just found myself in these different scenarios.
	Even when the reptilians, the technology they use to get you from point A to point B is different from what the greys use.
	It's much easier on your system.
	It's much more gentle.
	Uh, when you, when you go from point A to point B, you're not sick for several minutes when you're, when you're there.
	Uh, so even the technology they use is a bit different.
	So, um, perhaps, but see what I've learned about the thing with the graze is a lot of memory is lost because it's so traumatic, number one, that you don't want to remember it.
	And it was for me and it really, you know, I'm not going to sugar coat it and I'm not, I'm not claiming to, uh, Embrace alien culture because I have a healthy suspicion about all of them all the time.
	And not that to the point of silliness, but a guarded healthy to protect myself.
	And I know that it's taken years to just to get my physical self and emotional and mental self used to just the energy that radiates out of some of these guys.
	That when they get close enough, you'll black out.
	And when you black out, you lose a lot of memory.
	And a lot of experiences when I've seen mass abductions with other human beings, and there are individuals who are carrying on fully conscious during the experience, I see the memories taken away towards the end.
	I see them blacking out towards the end.
	And they don't remember a lot of it.
	And a lot of it, maybe it's better they don't.
	Why do you think you did remember it?
	Anger and hate.
	Anger, hate, and loathing.
	I didn't... I knew I was okay.
	I knew what was happening was real.
	I knew that they had invaded at the time.
	That's the way I felt about it.
	They had invaded my life without invitation, without asking, without warning, and it so disrupted my life that each and every Abduction scenario that I just hung on to such hate and loathing and anger that any chance that I could in those early years to break free, I was going to kill one or as many as I could.
	So I was constantly angry.
	I was constantly hateful.
	I was constantly disruptive.
	Anything that that experiment, anything that they could come up with, I was constantly fighting.
	And so I just hung on to that as a frame of reference for myself in those early years And I think it forced a memory.
	I think also because of the way I carried on, I guess it was a, you know, that's not really that special or unique, but I guess it was for me to them.
	And perhaps I became something like a favorite pet, so to speak.
	Okay, I get a lot of calls from people who have been abducted.
	Fear is a very common reaction for any abduction, almost totally common.
	If you were to give advice to anybody who's been abducted, scare the hell out of them, and they fear it happening again, and if it happens again, what kind of techniques would you recommend to people to overcome fear?
	Well, the MO is definitely fear, isolation, and confusion.
	Um, in the beginning, particularly in the beginning of these things, uh, isolated by the fact that, uh, fear by the fact that there are otherworldly beings, isolation by the fact that, uh, what you have to say and share with other people are, sound impossible to believe.
	And then confusion, of course, would be, uh, where am I?
	Why am I here?
	And I have no clue.
	Um, the best way I think to get over the fear factor, um, uh, without a doubt is just always to know.
	And it has been in every case that I've seen, including myself of course, is always to know that you're not going to die.
	That you will go home.
	You will always make it through the experience.
	And any awkward and weird and queer feelings or the energy that's being radiated, make yourself feel better by knowing that the reason you're feeling that way is because After all, these are energies and feelings from another world.
	They're not from here.
	And that won't kill you either.
	Although you did say you saw some military people.
	Yeah.
	At times, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, now that opens up A whole other area.
	Were you able to identify whose military?
	Were they U.S.?
	Yeah, definitely U.S.
	So I was privy to United States military and also from time to time I saw what I thought was military from Central and South America.
	Which was much rarer.
	Look, if you saw a U.S.
	military, whatever, I would think that under those conditions you'd immediately try to communicate, hey, soldier.
	What are you doing?
	Why are you here?
	What's going on?
	I've been told, for example, there was a, I don't know if I shared it on your show the last time, and maybe if I did you'll remember, where I've had experiences where I was When I say pool deducted, to above ground and underground facilities.
	And one in particular that I can relate with your question to would be I found myself in a hangar.
	Did I talk about that hangar in Nevada?
	You did mention a hangar, yes.
	And I could see inside this hangar what looked like military police, but there was the one Individual that was an officer and I was left to be As if I felt like as if I were drugged I was half paralyzed I was able to move very slowly I couldn't think that fast.
	So I guess I couldn't just jump off the gurney and make trouble and that particular individual for whatever reason took an interest in The way I was The way I was interacting in that particular scenario and he was talking to me as if like a father-to-son like type and he asked me to read a book.
	To read a book.
	Hold it right there.
	Damn it.
	We're at another break.
	We'll get right back to this.
	Jim Sparks is my guest from the high desert.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Ardell and Jim Sparks, both from the high desert.
	Jim's on the other side of the hill.
	Good morning, everybody.
	If this is not fascinating stuff, then don't say you love me.
	We'll be right back.
	Having lived in a number of foreign countries, you know, I can tell you when you see another American, almost inevitably Americans, you know, grab and shake hands, and, how you doing, buddy, and where you from, and, you know, you talk about home.
	Now, in the environment you're in, Jim, I can imagine if you saw, for example, an American military officer, if you were fully in possession of your senses, which you might not have been, you'd kind of have that reaction, my God, you're from, you're an American, come on, what the hell's going on here?
	That kind of deal.
	Sure.
	Well, Ed, in that particular scenario, I was, I found myself on a gurney, and I was in a hanger, and as I mentioned before, I knew I was in Nevada and the military police or the military guards.
	I could see them with their backs up against the walls of the inside of the hangar with firearms on their side and but I could see this one individual who was in uniform and he was an officer uniform working with a gray and they were working on some kind of I think it was some sort of teleportation device.
	My trauma at that was the fact that they had some young woman in one of the spheres or cubes, or it was like a cylinder, I mean, and I sensed that she was in danger and I had gotten off this gurney that was at the center of the floor to try and help her.
	How I was going to help her, I don't know.
	I was in slow motion.
	But as I approached and I grabbed inside the cylinder to pull her out of it, it had no glass or walls or anything of that nature.
	It was really weird and there was like a metal thing on top of it and what suspended it from the floor and not dropping, I don't know, when she was inside of it.
	There was an empty one where I think I may have come from and I think what they were showing They were teaching some sort of technology for a transport system.
	But I was upset about the whole thing, and I tried to pull her out, and then I was subdued by the guards, and I was subdued by him, just cutting it short.
	But then I blacked out.
	When I came to, he was standing over the gurney, looking at me as if he felt sorry for me.
	So there was compassion from this guy.
	And he said, we're doing what we're doing because we have to.
	He says, I know that this is difficult for you to understand.
	And he mentioned to read a section in a book to me.
	And now I'm half out of it, like you said, and I was half out of it and half there.
	And I remembered the name of the book, and then he told me the name of the author.
	What was it?
	It was called The Roman, and the author had this real long peculiar name, and a name that I couldn't remember.
	And so, when I had gotten back, I was very resistant, or scared, to go to the library to see if this thing even existed.
	And about three or more weeks went by, and I finally brought myself to the library because I kept nagging at me and nagging at me and nagging at myself to do it.
	Don't be afraid.
	Go there and see if the book is there.
	So I went into the old-timey card catalog instead of going into the computer, and as I was flipping through the cards, I saw this book, The Roman, by this... I'm sorry, right now I can't think of the author's last name.
	I'm not saying go out and read this book, because the book is not even related to ETs or anything, but the one part... And then my knees buckled, and I almost fainted, and I grabbed onto the desk, because I recognized this long, weird last name that this guy had told me, and so I said, okay, this is real.
	But what I had read, the part that he wanted me to read, was the fact that it was about...
	Uh, a, um, about the second, first century, um, Roman emperor who had a chef, a personal chef, of course, as he would, who, who, who, who requested an audience with Caesar.
	And the audience had to do with the fact that he was working with, um, uh, you know, the utensils in the kitchen and one of which the properties of steam were intriguing him to the fact that he felt That he could create an engine, now we're talking about a steam engine 2,000 years ago, that could grind the corn, grind the meal, it could also power the warships, and he was going into different ways that it could be used, that he was perfecting this.
	Caesar said, you're a genius, and raved on what he had done, and as soon as the man left the presence of Caesar, He ordered his soldiers to have him executed immediately.
	And one of Caesar's generals had asked, well, why are you doing that?
	And he said, because what would the slaves have to do?
	Think about what it would do to the economy.
	So the point I'm making with this kind of long, drawn-out thing is the fact that that part of the book was to show that, because I was kind of ticked that a lot of this technology isn't being used to help us, And it's still clear 2000 years ago, the mentality is the same as it is today, which is what's going to happen to the stock market?
	What's going to happen to this?
	What's going to happen to the economy of all this stuff introduced?
	So that was the reason he had me read it.
	So there were some personal interactions like that from time to time with humans, but they kept their distance.
	They kept quiet.
	They wouldn't talk to me.
	And so there was very, very little interaction for the most part in almost any experience.
	All right.
	There was a military experiment apparently called Half Here and Half There.
	What was that about?
	That one was extremely fascinating to me.
	I was in my living room and this one took place approximately 10 years ago or more and I was in my living room and I started hearing the normal sounds For that whirling, whipping sound that I was describing when you're pulled the hard way.
	The only difference was that it was at very low and very slow RPMs.
	So instead of me hearing it really fast and that sensation in my stomach coming up real quick and entering my heart and then that feeling of acceleration, It was happening very, very slow.
	Now, if you can picture this, I'm sitting, and this is where we're experimenting with this stuff, and at least we were then.
	I'm sure we got it down now.
	But at the time, I was sitting on the sofa, and I was sitting with my feet were on the carpet, and the peculiar part about that experience was the fact that it was all going in super, super slow motion, completely unlike It was when I get pulled, and so the whirling sound was slowly speeding up, and as I looked out, I could start, instead of me getting that sensation of force, G-forces, I was still sitting on the sofa, but I could start seeing the wall in front of me in my living room.
	Started to slowly fade away, and then as the wall slowly faded away.
	I could see the inside of a facility and and as the facility started to become more solid and everything that was in my And we're doing this stuff art.
	We were doing this stuff ten years ago And for whatever reason guys like me or the guinea pigs for the ETS or the guinea pigs for the military there it is It's like we're tagged, entitled, and we're their property, and whatever they want to do.
	Whatever they want to do.
	And who's going to believe you?
	And so now you have a subject that's been through all this E.T.
	stuff.
	Now you've got these guys that are human beings, that are military individuals, with other civilian researchers in league with them.
	And I found myself inside a facility.
	In the facility I could see It was inside of what appeared to be, again, another hangar.
	They had makeshift walls or dividers inside the place with desks.
	I could see about six guys in laboratory coats, and I can see, again, a military officer.
	And when I showed up over there, I was sitting... Oh, this is what was really odd.
	I was sitting on a gurney.
	And it was a cold metal gurney with my feet dangling.
	And as I was being transported from point A to point B like that, I could feel the carpet under my feet, and I could feel the softness of the sofa under my rump.
	And at the same time, when I was slowly being transported to this other place, I could feel the hard coldness of the table and my feet dangling in the air.
	I stayed there for just a few seconds.
	I saw the individuals.
	Excuse me.
	That's better.
	I saw the individuals that were doing it.
	But the odd part was, even to this day, every one of the faces that I saw in that room, I knew.
	You knew?
	I knew, but I didn't know why I knew them.
	I knew every single one of those individuals.
	So, as I was coming into that, from the field that they pulled me from, into that area, from going from point A to point B, and as they were coming in clearer, I looked at a face and I said, Hi!
	And I couldn't think of a name.
	And then I looked at another one, I know, and you are And it was like the memory from each and every one of these individuals was gone.
	And I knew these people.
	I knew who the officer was.
	I knew who these people were in the lab coats.
	I knew that I had been working with them before.
	Okay, so that previous abduction, a previous abduction where you had been wiped?
	I think so.
	Yeah.
	And it's us.
	You know, it's clearly with us.
	Now what made that whole thing a success was they were elated.
	It had worked, whatever it was they were doing, it had worked.
	You mean you're sort of half-memory?
	I'm here.
	In other words, they were able to pull me from my living room to another state in another part of the country, so they succeeded.
	So they were elated by it.
	And then they're telling me, congratulations, we did it.
	Congratulations.
	Now, I'm not fully mobile at this point, and I'm looking at faces that look familiar.
	They're elated by the fact it worked, and then they did the reverse to bring me back.
	So they were able to pull this individual from my living room to a facility God knows where.
	Jim, let me ask you this.
	You know, with what you just told me, with memory, for example, of faces, knowing these people, for example, if you were to see them again today, you would probably say, I know you.
	Yeah, I would.
	Right?
	Okay.
	There's got to be some concern, Jim, and I wonder if you are concerned.
	I mean, here you are speaking very, very publicly About all of this, and no doubt people that are still alive and possibly still in these programs, you're starting to tell an awful lot.
	I know, Art.
	I know that everything I say and everything I do and the experiences that I have, I'm being allowed to do this.
	So, clearly, things this sensitive would be extremely dangerous.
	Yes.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Have you been contacted at all by anybody who didn't pull you out of your room to contact you?
	And by that I mean any knock on the door, any telephone calls, any warnings?
	I worked with a guy.
	Well, now you know what I'm telling you yourself and the many people with your show.
	And I won't mention names, and I won't mention what company, and I won't mention any of that.
	I promise not to share this, but I worked with, um, um, for six months, a rather, um, uh, large defense contractor, um, regarding these experiences and these guys.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	These guys were not related to any of the, um, um, um, interactions that I've had with human beings that I've seen or any of the military people that I've seen.
	And so for half a year, I worked with a particular company.
	They came to you?
	I'm sorry?
	They came to you?
	Yeah, yeah.
	As a matter of fact, I was speaking at a conference and the individual who played a big part in that company came to me and talked to me.
	And so he was extremely interested and Um, what I had to say and, and the experience, experiences that I go and went through and, and a lot of the details.
	And so, um, worked closely with this guy for about, well, right at six months.
	This was several years ago.
	And so now you like a person, me like a person, you notice I don't hold back on a lot of the, uh, a lot of the things that I experienced, but if someone that specifically says, Promise me you won't.
	I don't care if you say what I'm saying now, and rarely do I even talk about this.
	And I said, yeah, I agreed to do that.
	But that has happened that way, yeah.
	Was there information flow that went in both directions when you were employed by this defense contractor?
	I felt like they were definitely out of the circle.
	As far as, because I've divided What I call the government in three different categories.
	There's the government that we deal with at face value.
	That's the government we see every day.
	Ninety-nine percent of those guys and women really don't have any clue about any of this and they can't be held liable or responsible for it because they don't.
	Then you have the second government that I jokely call the BBB, the Black Budget Boys.
	The second government would fall in line with this defense contractor.
	They have things like crashed disks, debris from E.T.
	technologies, bits and pieces, maybe an alien captured, and things of that nature.
	And they think that they're on top of all of this stuff, that they're it, this is it, we're the top secret guys, and we have it.
	And then there's that third area, That is the really, uh, uh, deep ops, black ops that are, have direct face to face interaction every day, every night stuff.
	And, and they're doing things together that the, even the second one has no clue that's going on.
	So, so I, I have had interaction, um, to the door, so to speak with the second group.
	And of course I've found myself.
	Why do you think you're being allowed to say this stuff?
	the real black op uh...
	this is what this would fall in line with uh... this is this gentleman his
	company would fall in line with the second group why do you think you're being allowed to say this
	stuff well a thought over the years that
	it would be when it came to the gray and that first six-year period and
	and i feel i'm always i'm always not afraid uh... because i know that the
	people are discredited or or or they lose their background or or or they get
	terminally ill and die and things of that nature
	And what the big play is for this individual, which is myself, interacting with all of this and being able to just speak freely about it without any recourse, is beyond my understanding, with the exception of this.
	The reptilians, okay, you've got the greys and so forth, and they want to see, along with the reptilians, they want to see a stop to the environmental woes of this planet.
	Then you've got, there's an idea that the You would describe that as their main motivation for contact?
	I would say for revealing their self, yes.
	And the words you just put, for contact.
	That we know they exist.
	Because for tens of thousands of years, if not longer, they've been interacting with this planet and the people on this planet, in secret, with the vast majority not even aware that anything like this exists.
	And them not having an ego to really want to even be noticed.
	But when the environment that they're working in becomes hostile to them for various reasons, and particularly environmentally as one of them, then they want to do something about it.
	Yeah, I was going to say, why do they care?
	And the answer is the environment, not for us, for them.
	Exactly.
	And that's the, you got it right on the head.
	Okay, but that begs the question, what do they want with our environment, i.e.
	our world?
	Well, I mean, just a simple thing that I've noticed, again, if I said there was 360 degrees and agendas and there was Several hundred agendas in each degree.
	I've been privy to one or two of those degrees, which is, I know that they farm us, not to scare you or not you, but just to scare the public in general, but I know they do farm us for genetic material for various reasons.
	One is as part of an agenda.
	...is to create these worker beings that, you know, we're sharing with you later, which everybody knows is the big-headed, you know, big-eyed beings, which are the half-robotic, but half... Why they need the raw materials on a steady basis, and why they would need it from here, in particular, I don't know.
	But that's just a part of it.
	So, yeah, so there's an interest on their part, and us having to live on this planet creates an interest for us, so it works in that respect.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Hold it right there, Jim.
	Jim Sparks is my guest, and I'm betting you've never heard, save the last show we did, anything like this at all.
	From the high desert, we both come.
	I'm Art Bell.
	The most credible abductee I've ever interviewed, Jim Sparks.
	I mean, there's just simply no question about it, and it may not be any negative reflection Isn't a negative reflection on any of the other abductees I've interviewed at all.
	It's just that Jim Sparks has much more memory, perhaps because of the anger, perhaps because of the resistance.
	For all of these reasons, he seems to have a very detailed memory of everything that's happened to him.
	So he comes across, obviously, as very credible.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Back to it in a moment.
	I do want to take some calls, but in the interest of time, we've got a couple of other things to cover.
	Jim, the gift.
	Something apparently extracted from your lungs?
	Yeah.
	What happened?
	There was an experience.
	On occasion, there would be some medical benefits, I guess.
	Very rare, though.
	It was extremely rare, but on one occasion, But I remember the procedure and I found it fascinating too.
	I had woke up or became conscious.
	I was pulled.
	I blacked out during the experience and I became conscious of Of being on a gurney and it was at a 45 degree angle and it was tilted and there was a medical procedure going on and I could smell what smelled like mucus, the smell of mucus or saliva in my sinuses and I felt it like my mouth was open and it was coming out of my mouth almost like in vapor and I can smell it through my nose.
	It was coming like the reverse of my lungs.
	Then I had blacked out again, and when I came to, I was in that room that I was telling you about that I spent the first six years in.
	By the way, I should mention, you had mentioned earlier about, you know, I can say things about the recourse.
	Well, the first six years wasn't like that at all, and I was normally Severely punished those first six years if I talked about things and they they were extremely strict about me not sharing anything the first six years and which would be I would get pulled and the way they would the punishment would be that I would be completely ignored paralyzed in my and my sitting in my little cubicle there or
	For hours on end, so I would have pulling sessions where I would just sit there paralyzed for hours.
	Who did you try to talk to?
	Like when I would say something to family or friends or if I would start writing symbols down.
	Anything that I wasn't allowed to put pen to paper, pencil to paper.
	I wasn't supposed to talk about it, but see I was stubborn and I was strong and again I fought him tooth and nail and I put myself through a lot of torment with him.
	Because I just wasn't, again, anything that they wanted I was going to do the reverse.
	So, probably why it took six years before I was allowed any sense of freedom with them was because, you know, I was that difficult with them in that six year period.
	So, after six years, right almost to the month, I was told, go ahead and write a book.
	Write a book.
	And so I did.
	And that's where this all came about.
	So anyway, we were kind of over there a little while ago.
	Now wait a minute.
	Hold it right there.
	Let's plug your book.
	We really need to do that.
	It's called The Keepers, An Alien Message for the Human Race.
	Very simple.
	The Keepers is the title.
	So go to Amazon and grab it.
	All the people who have fast blasted me, many since the last program, have absolutely loved the book, Jim.
	Oh, great.
	Oh, I'm supposed to tell you this.
	So I don't get in trouble that there's an 800 number you can call to.
	Fire away!
	I'm not the advertising guy here, but anyway, it's 800-345-6665.
	So I'm supposed to say that.
	800.
	No, I'll say it.
	Here it is.
	800-345-6665.
	There you go.
	Thanks.
	So I'm supposed to say that.
	800-345-6665.
	There you go.
	Thanks.
	Anyway, so yeah, those first six years I wasn't supposed to talk and it was severe punishment
	because just to sit in one spot like that for hours paralyzed was totally being ignored
	when you go home.
	So over time, I learned, again, the more I cooperated, the faster I got to leave.
	And then at the end of that six-year period, things had changed so dramatically.
	One of which I was, you know, allowed to move around.
	And then I knew how to behave.
	I wasn't going to get hurt or kill anything.
	I knew not to ask a million questions.
	I just knew how to behave.
	And so that gave me the different privileges, so to speak.
	I know it sounds like the Helsinki.
	What is it?
	The Helsinki Syndrome?
	Yes.
	What can I say?
	It's like that.
	But anyway, on this one experience, I do remember coming conscious during a procedure, but I wasn't sure what they were doing.
	I found myself standing in the room that I had been paralyzed in at that bench for six years, and I was leaning up against the table that was that table screen, and here I was in this room going, wow, I can move, I'm standing here, I'm by myself, what is this about?
	And through a corridor to the grave, the real ones, Uh, came, um, walking, um, into the room with, one of them had a black box in his, in his hands, holding it in front of him.
	And, uh, I would not look at the eyes too close, but I would stare at the ground, look at the right, stare at the ground, look at the eyes as they were coming up closer, because it made me uncomfortable.
	And he took the black box, and he set it on the table, and he pushed it towards me.
	And I said, what's this?
	And they go, it's a gift.
	I said, a gift?
	Yes, it's a gift for you.
	And I said, what the hell do you want me to do with it?
	And the response was, do with it as you will.
	Do with it as you will.
	And then they turned around as they walked in and they just walked out of the room.
	Now here I am by myself in this room with that screen on the wall and that table that I had been at for six years and the bench and I'm looking at this box on this table.
	And it's just a square black box of absorbent black.
	It wasn't shiny black.
	And I'm looking at it and I was wondering, well, I was kind of suspicious of it at first.
	And then I, I touched it and real quick and pulled my hand back and it didn't shock me and I was still alive and, you know, nothing popped out of it.
	So then I picked it up and I was holding it in my hand and I was turning it upside down, sideways, flipping it around and it all looked the same.
	So I figured, well, maybe it opens.
	So I took my hands and I started pulling to see if I could get it to pull apart.
	After all, this was my gift, or whatever the hell it was supposed to be.
	I'm pulling on it this way, and I'm pulling on it that way, and I couldn't get it to open.
	So then I took it and I wedged it between my feet, and I was pulling like that, and I couldn't get it to open.
	And then the telepathic voice said, you haven't tried gently.
	See, there was some moments here, you know?
	You haven't tried gently.
	Like it was almost soft, right?
	Like coming from a gray?
	Yeah, right.
	Okay.
	But I went, yeah, I guess that's true.
	So I just gently put my hand over the box and I, with little pressure, I pulled and it opened up.
	And when it opened, I mean, this is a gift.
	It was this black, tarry substance in there.
	About, I don't know, two, three inches or more thick, with these glass tubes sticking in it, and it just stank to high heaven.
	It was just the most horrible smell, and I, because I looked at it, and I, my face was close to it, and I pulled it back, and I, and they started, they came back into the room.
	I go, what the hell is this?
	This is a gift?
	What kind of gift is this?
	This thing stinks!
	And they go, it's your gift.
	We, and the words were, we extracted it from your lungs.
	Oh, my God.
	So I, you know, smoked very heavy at the time, and so the gift was apparently clearing out my lungs.
	Gee, as a 45-year smoker, send me a... You don't have that black box anymore.
	You know, all right.
	And I actually quit smoking for a while, and then now I'm smoking again.
	So I don't know if I'll get the gift a second time, but if I do, I'll certainly keep you in mind.
	All right.
	Your experience is kind of tapered off, right?
	Yes.
	What about now?
	Do you still, on occasion, have contact?
	Yeah, and it's not like it was.
	One of my biggest gripes all those years was, why can't you guys be more like we are?
	Instead of sucking me out of my living room or bedroom in the middle of the night and things of that nature and letting me know you're here.
	So, I'd have a year where there may be just one, and then I'd have a year where there would be two or three experiences.
	But it's the nature of the beast that makes it extremely difficult to interact with these guys.
	Do I have a few moments to go over that?
	You do.
	Okay.
	Because there's just things inherent to them that make it very difficult.
	Like I mentioned earlier, for starters, they radiate an energy that is extremely uncomfortable.
	So I'll give the reasons why they don't basically knock on the door and say, can we have a cup of coffee with you?
	They radiate an energy that's just miserably uncomfortable for human beings, and it takes a long time to adapt to it.
	They can scan your brain.
	There's no privacy, meaning that You know, all of us are like this.
	There's things about us that we don't want other people to know about, something we may have done in the past.
	Of course.
	We don't want nobody to know, but when they communicate with you, you're raw.
	So there's the you at face value that everybody knows, and then there's this you inside that nobody's supposed to know about.
	So automatically, everything that's about you is known, and that's miserably uncomfortable.
	They have the ability to transmit Thoughts ten to a hundred times faster.
	So now, I mean, that's rather intimidating.
	So now you've got a guy that radiates energy that makes you feel sick.
	You've got a person that knows what you did when you were a little kid when you took the cookies out of the cookie jar and lied to your mom and said no.
	Sure.
	And then now he's going ten to a hundred times faster.
	And then, you know, they're completely telepathic.
	Then they have this ability to screen image.
	Define screen image.
	They can transmit a thought of theirs into your mind and depending on how strong they want to mess with you, you either see what they're thinking and you think, hey that's cool, I can see what they're thinking, or they could lead one to believe that that's reality.
	So people have been pulled over the years ...that think that they're spending time with angels, or they think they're spending time with demons, or they met God, or things of that nature.
	See, they're extremely efficient beings, so whatever it takes just to do the subject, the minimum resistance possible.
	So if you're inclined to believe in certain things, then they're going to play on those certain things, and it gets it over with.
	So now that's rather difficult.
	Now, the technology they use is day and night different from us, but we're fast catching up with a lot of stuff, and I'm happy and pleased to see it.
	The time travel thing is very real, but they do travel time.
	So, traveling time to them is as simple as having a remote control and turning on television or turning television off.
	It's no big deal.
	In fact, what I'm finding out to them Because of the technology, what I'm finding out is it's almost boring to them to be somewhere maybe several hundred years or several thousand years back.
	And it's important to them to have these points, like Checkpoint Charlie, so to speak, where they can interact with something of familiarity, like a turf that they know at these different time points.
	But nonetheless, they travel time.
	I think we're very, very close to doing that now, ourselves.
	I hope we are.
	Jim, did you ever ask any question about a Supreme Being?
	I'd stay away from that, like a sore thumb.
	Maybe it's because I may not like what I hear.
	You mean you're staying away from answering my question?
	Or both.
	Or asking them.
	Because in the early years with interaction, they did try different techniques to force me to cooperate.
	One of which was screen imaging.
	See the screen imaging I was referring to?
	The fact that they were angelic beings, okay, and I'm not cooperating with God, okay?
	I see.
	Or they were evil beings, and that if I didn't cooperate, they would do, you know, devil things to me, okay?
	Right, right.
	So, in those early years, I knew it was BS, and I shook off all of those screen imaging.
	So, see, that was another thing, I think, that made it, for myself, this interaction and the memory was I just took the stand that no matter what they dished out, it was a pack of lies.
	And it was technology.
	So I was able to shake off a lot of the screen imaging.
	So I think it made it a challenge for them.
	Not to say nobody else can do this.
	Lots of people can do this.
	It just so happened that I was at the wrong time at the wrong place, or one might say the right time at the right place, to be able to interact this way.
	The way I see God and God's creations personally, it's man who puts a limit or a cap on what God has created.
	And to go out past the globe and to go out past the solar system and the universe and other dimensions, if there is the Supreme Being, then it's us who puts a limit on what this individual can do.
	So, to answer your question, no, I haven't really Okay, well it sounds to me as though you presented an unusual challenge to them, and I think that's why they kept bringing you back.
	That, and perhaps they found you uniquely qualified to carry the message they wanted carried.
	Apparently, and another reason, I seem to be comfortable with this, even though, and interestingly enough, you couldn't have picked a guy, particularly in the beginning, that could absolutely not have any interest in this, in alien phenomena or expressing it through the media or anything of that nature.
	And whatever motivated him to go to someone like me, I'm not sure, but except for one aspect of it, which is I do know that They do track and they do trace genetic family lines from the beginning.
	And that was shown to me more than once.
	And so it could be, I know they followed my family line all the way back to when we were these monkey-like creatures.
	Did you ever get the feeling, Jim, that they are tracking us because They created us, or conversely, was that a yes?
	Yes.
	I was not sure if I shared that experience with you on the last show regarding the different scenes where we kept going back in time.
	Did I?
	Not that I recall, no.
	There was a particular session where I was Cooperated and did really well and had learned some symbols highly efficiently and I knew I was in for basically whatever I wanted for that reward session.
	And so my question was, and I wanted it in a question, didn't want euphoria, didn't want the sexual energy, didn't want any of that mess, just wanted to know why me?
	Since it seemed to be a lot about myself when I was there.
	Right. ...being selfish, but couldn't help it. Why me?
	And there a hologram appeared, which was one of a World War II scene,
	with Nazi, Germans, and Italian allies.
	All right, very short on time.
	Okay. I hear music in the background.
	That means we're short on time.
	All right, hold it right there, Jim.
	Jim Sparks is my guest, and I doubt you've really heard anything ever quite like this.
	From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Creation, pretty sensitive topic.
	Did they make us?
	Is that why we're being tracked?
	Is that why we're being experimented with?
	Tampered with, perhaps improved, perhaps not.
	That's one whale of a question.
	Jim Sparks, back in a moment.
	Well alright Jim, I don't want to push on this, but obviously it's of high interest to many people and would explain the motivation for so much of what they're doing.
	It is your belief, maybe your personal belief, Not based on anything specifically said to you or based on something specifically said to you that they are indeed our creators?
	Well, they showed it that way and I didn't know where it was leading.
	The things that play on your emotions and that play on your mind and where they're going with something and you're trying to read into what they're doing or what's the point and in this particular scenario it's pretty clear And then they coupled it with saying something, but the first scene, it just leads to it.
	The first scene was a World War II scene where there were Nazi and Italian soldiers, they were the Axis power, and it was a war-torn area, and there were two officers with a war map and other soldiers guarding the building that had been torn up in
	this whole torn up city or town or village, and they were reviewing their next plan. And as I looked
	close at this hologram, I could see that one of the faces of the two guys looked a lot like myself,
	a family member.
	I later learned that through my father that during World War II, my father fought for the United States.
	He was in the Army, but he had family in Italy that fought for the Axis power because they were part of that country, and they didn't have any choice.
	So I was looking at something that was pretty realistic.
	And then another scene appeared, and it was... There is a German influence in this thing, too.
	I've gone off the beat here a little bit, but over the years with this, I have picked up and seen individuals from the World War II Nazi period that I could see.
	I'll get flashes and glimpses of those individuals or Nazi individuals who were fooling around with the ability to be in other dimensions.
	And there seems to be a code about the technology that enables one to go into these other dimensions that, no matter what you are or who you are, once you're there, they don't meddle in anybody else's affairs.
	It's like a neutral ground once they're there, what goes on behind other dimensions.
	That's a subject for another time, maybe, but I have seen that influence.
	I've seen men Uh, from 50, 60, 70 years ago, who were alive and well and still in those dimensions and dimensions, and apparently they don't age.
	I guess I would ask this, with regard to the creation, why would you necessarily buy the images or whatever they said to you on that subject, any more than you did some of the early attempts to manipulate you with religious image?
	Well, we were progressing, so to speak, or I was, I should say, to where I wasn't I was playing along with the game, and the game plan, and I started seeing real value in what these guys were, and what these guys were doing.
	Maybe not necessarily what they had to offer, but I could get real knowledge and real gain out of it.
	The games that they had played, and the mind games, and the Projecting thoughts and projecting other realities that I could shake off.
	I just learned how to shake those things off over the years to where it got to a point where now I can gain some realistic or some real reality out of what I was seeing.
	Hey, again, if there's a mind that's capable of a hundred times the speed, sure, anybody can be fooled, anybody can be deceived, but from what I could tell over the years, I'm seeing things progress in a way that's more positive and real relative to interaction with these guys, and a lot of it has to do with some of the things I started seeing.
	I'm not saying that I accepted it, but I could see reality there.
	And the next scene was a turn-of-the-century scene, Industrial Revolution period, and I could see a ribbon-cutting ceremony, and then I saw an individual That was a family member or look a lot like myself.
	So I was getting the picture.
	Okay, so they were what they were describing was how they track this particular family line myself.
	The scene, then that disappeared.
	And another thing, fascinating stuff to look at when you look at this stuff, because you know, you're looking at something from that time period.
	And it's, it's unlike what you see in the movies or anything like that.
	It's the real thing.
	And you're looking at the next one was the early medieval period, where A bunch of fellows were sitting around a wooden table in a medieval inn, and they were drinking out of wooden goblets, and one of them was toasted, and that was me, very drunk.
	Or a family member of mine.
	And then another scene appeared, and I'll skip through a couple of them.
	The last one before the very last one that appeared was during the Roman period, I would say.
	Best from what I could tell from anywhere from 1 to 300 A.D.
	And it was centered around the Senate, the Roman Senate.
	And I'm not saying that I was a member of the Senate, but I was in a crowd or not myself, but a family member.
	And I could see the family resemblance in a crowd on the bleachers during a debate.
	That's early democracy, so to speak.
	Well, that's not going back to creation, but it's pretty early.
	Jim, I've got to stop you there, and if I don't take a couple of calls, they'll string me up.
	David in Newport Beach, you're on with Jim Sparks.
	Hi, Art and Jim.
	My wife was studying tonight for a test in anthropological biology at Orange Coast College, which is a local college here in Southern California, and she was explaining to me how humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes, and I said to her, well, what about star children or indigo children?
	You know, these kids that are super smart, have blue eyes and old souls.
	And she wasn't really familiar with the concept, so I asked her to ask her professor, who she has not had the chance to ask.
	So I'm asking you, do these kids have something extra?
	Is there something different about their DNA?
	Is it somehow altered?
	Okay, it's a good question for you, Jim.
	Do you know a thing about it?
	Well, I do know that there's an insurance policy out there that they're creating hybrid human beings One of which came from me, and that's another story in itself, where I saw something akin to what was supposed to be my daughter, and from semen extracted from myself, who the over-volunteer was, I have no clue, or non-volunteer, and this person was a cross between human beings, and I've seen them between human beings and ETs with complete telepathic ability.
	Frailer in form, more environmentally concerned, much higher intelligence, and less... having emotions, but less emotions than we generally do.
	Something that would be more environmentally fit for the planet itself.
	Okay.
	Michael in Indio, California.
	You're on with Jim.
	Hi, Jim.
	Hi, Arbel.
	Yeah, I do have a question regarding the origin of gray aliens, because I hear multiple theories about Actually, I don't.
	they originated. I hear they either originated from Earth's past because of their resemblance
	to dinosaurs if they were still around. But I do have another question. I think it's more
	scientific. I really think that they originated from tens of thousands of years in the future
	from another planet or another galaxy in the universe. Do you agree with my question? And
	I'll hang up.
	Actually, I don't. I do. I don't have a problem with that.
	Maybe more so than the theory because I do know for a fact and I've seen it with my own eyes that
	time travel is just something that they do commonly. And it's just simply, again, another
	technology.
	So, absolutely, it's very possible.
	Okay.
	DC in Boston, you're on with Jim.
	Good evening, or good morning.
	Best interview I've ever heard on Coast to Coast.
	Thank you.
	I'd have to say, I have a quick question.
	I once had sight, no longer have sight.
	I believe I've been deemed unusable because I no longer have the visual stimuli that's necessary in some of the experiments.
	However, and my last visitation was three years ago, do you think that the language of the dots and the squiggly lines can be taught to a carbon form who does not have sight?
	In order to see, like radar you mean?
	No, not sighted.
	In other words, could he learn that language without having sight?
	Oh yes, absolutely.
	Because a big part, okay, sorry for misunderstanding that.
	Yeah, a big part of it is three parts, which is direction, which is in most cases was using my right forefinger
	up against that table.
	So whether my eyes are open or closed, I'm going to move in the direction of the symbol.
	The motion, or the speed in which you move it, and sounding it out.
	Those are three basic essentials there for creating the symbols in your mind that are the stronger brainwaves that are easier to pick up.
	So the answer is yes.
	Okay.
	Danny in Reno, Nevada.
	Your turn with Jim Sparks.
	Good evening.
	It's always an honor to be on the show.
	And, well, my question was, I've had many experiences and, you know, come to your own theories when you start to engulf in some of these, you know, readings and some of these books that people write about abductions and their experiences.
	And so I've always been fascinated because I've always had some amazing experiences happen to me living in Southern California.
	My question is, first, have you read Philip H. Kraft's books regarding the Grays and his abduction case?
	No, I have not.
	And there's a specific reason.
	I'm always tempted to go to movies.
	I'm always tempted to read material.
	But I've taken the stand 19 years ago, and it holds true today, to avoid reading other material and seeing other movies as much as I want to.
	So as to not cloud the experiences that I'm having.
	So everything that I've discussed with you is coming first hand from the experience.
	Boy, does that ever make sense to me.
	For that very reason, I don't listen to other talk show hosts anymore.
	I don't want to consciously, or worse yet, subconsciously, take anything from anybody else.
	And I'm sure it's very much the same with you.
	Yes, sir, it is.
	Joe in Los Angeles, you're on with Jim.
	Yeah, I'm calling from East Los Angeles.
	I have a question.
	Since our planet is based on petroleum, everything, all products are made out of petroleum, and now that we know that petroleum is created in the Earth, it's not something that is finite, it's something that is created in the Earth, does the Greys have any production in the Middle Earth, which is hollow I guess, and I guess that's where they live, are they involved in the production of petroleum?
	Is there like some pro-quo with our governments on the planet and with them that You know, you give us petroleum, we'll give you humans, or anything to that effect?
	Is there some manufacturing going back and forth?
	I'm not aware of any interaction that way, or any kind of business dealings in that respect.
	I do know that there is pollution-free energy, there is energy that... mechanisms that provide free energy, and I know they have, and they have been, provided to us and they're not being used and I do know they exist and I also know that it does come from extraterrestrial technology in some cases this is an extremely sensitive area to me and perhaps maybe on another show art I'll go over a gentleman that was gifted with the ability to create something like that and his wife was snuffed out it was kind of a scary thing so I'm familiar with
	Mechanisms, and it's seen mechanisms that can create energy, but we're not petroleum-based.
	Okay.
	Dale in Buffalo, New York.
	You're on with Jim.
	Good morning, gentlemen.
	Hey.
	I, quite frankly, I find your story a little bit lacking in credibility.
	In what area?
	Well, in an overall, the way one person senses another person.
	Without any specific detail.
	Strange.
	I find it just the opposite.
	But go ahead.
	Yeah, and I caught that, and I laughed to myself.
	I said, two people could be looking at an accident and see two entirely different things.
	Apparently so.
	Do you have a question, though, associated with this doubt?
	Well, yes, I do, in a sense.
	He would know, Jim would know, that there are people out here that doubt You know, the validity of what he's saying.
	Why wouldn't, Jim, why wouldn't you take the next step and go to a large ABC News or this or that or some of the well-known investigators and ask them to give you a battery of lie detector tests as to validate you entirely and put you above and beyond The ordinary person making these claims.
	Okay, that is an entirely reasonable question.
	Jim, how would you react to that?
	I have no problem with the fact that, and I totally respect the fact that you have a healthy disbelief, or perhaps what I have to say, in the experiences I've gone through.
	In fact, I'm comfortable with that, and I would hope people are that way, and they express it.
	Would you submit yourself to that?
	Yeah, I'd have no problem with that at all.
	Well, you know, you are so credible in a sense, Jim, that you may well get that offer.
	You really might.
	I don't have a problem with it at all.
	And I do understand that the things that I've gone through were hard for me to accept and believe.
	And I'm not claiming to have all the answers.
	There's a lot that I know now.
	And so yes, I've had tomatoes and rotten eggs thrown at me.
	I'm sure you have.
	But I've still respected just the same.
	How can you blame people?
	Okay, Joanne in Minnesota.
	You're on with Jim Sparks.
	Hi.
	Yeah, hi Art.
	Congratulations on the baby.
	Thank you.
	I wanted to ask a question, but as I was listening on hold, something else also occurred to me, so it's kind of a two-parter.
	Okay, well just go ahead and ask.
	First, you suggested that they created us, and yet you stayed away from the whole idea of religion, which I found very weird.
	Probably, ma'am, because he did go on ahead to answer the second question.
	Okay.
	My second question would be, did they ever intimate or suggest that there was anything beyond here?
	Do we have spirits and souls?
	And when you talked about seeing yourself pass by pass by pass, how do you know that that wasn't you?
	I tread dangerous territory when I talk about that, because there are those who deeply believe in reincarnation.
	I don't have a problem with that, but in this case, that's not what I was being shown.
	It was family members.
	Also, in the last scene, which we kind of ran out of time, they showed these ape-like creatures foraging in what looked like the African savannah.
	And the reason I say that, it kind of fascinated me that it was that scenery, because you could see the trees that kind of grow sideways over there that are unique to that area.
	Yes.
	These things looked between monkeys and people, something I've never seen on any documentary, and the message was that they had, that's why I shy away from it, because I was angry at this for a long time, not so much now, but the message from that was that they genetically altered these creatures to make what we are today.
	Yes, they're claiming responsibility to a certain degree for that.
	All right, maybe we can squeeze in one more.
	Diane in Washington, you're on with Jim.
	Yes, Art and Jim.
	Art, a long time ago you did a show with a guest on who simply said, if you want to go to another planet, simply ask.
	Do you remember that show?
	Vaguely, I remember the question, yes.
	Well, I did.
	I did it that night.
	And indeed I did, and long before Jim was on your show, I did travel to another planet.
	And Jim, I met your, was shown in three spheres by my companions, exactly who you described.
	But I was not shown on the reptile ones, the bottom parts of them.
	I'm sorry, hon.
	We're out of time.
	Jim, what an incredible interview.
	Your book, of course, is The Keepers.
	That's the title.
	An Alien Message for the Human Race.
	The Keepers.
	You're going to want to grab a hold of that, Jim.
	We'll do another show soon.
	Well, I would love to.
	I've enjoyed it.
	Thank you for having me on.
	Take care, my friend.
	Good night.
	And for all the rest of you, George takes the reins tomorrow night for the weekday show, and I will see you next weekend from the high desert.

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