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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - The Science of Intention - Lynne McTaggart

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's prolific time zones, each and every one of them covered by this program, Coast to Coast AM.
		I'm Art Bell.
		It is my honor and privilege to be escorting you through the weekend.
		This being the second day of that effort, just really great to be on board with you.
		And I'm being peppered with questions, email and fast blast and all the rest of it.
		For example, Keith in San Anselmo, California, Art, are you and your wife in prompt temporarily until she has a baby?
		And are you both eventually returning to the Philippines?
unidentified		Well, who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't have the answer to that question yet.
		We own the condominium in Manila, and we are here until, I guess, my wife decides whether she wants to remain.
		As you know, it was not her first choice to come to the United States.
		And people ask, well, why did we?
		Well, that silly letter, that awful letter, going around, which has been going around actually the better part of a decade now, I think, that hate letter, somebody wrote a hate letter of all things against Filipinos and sent it out in my name.
		Then it got published in newspapers there.
		And so it became a little dangerous.
		And that's more or less why we're here.
		Now, that won't go on forever.
		Or on the other hand, it might.
		But as far as being here, I think we're here, you know, sort of semi-permanently.
		I mean, obviously, look, after the baby is born, we will take a trip back to the Philippines and show off the baby, you know, to her family.
		Nothing is forever.
		Boy, have I learned that in life.
		Nothing is forever.
		So right now we're here and we'll be here for until we're not.
		I guess that's the only way I can say it, but it looks like we're here.
		Let's look at the world news, always fittingly depressing.
		Three illegal, that's three legal immigrants, absolutely legal, in a cargo truck were detained at the Port of Miami Sunday on what was a routine inspection, which raised concerns for some reason.
		Police say the incident just might have stemmed in part from a language barrier.
		The port's cargo area was shut down Sunday as the Miami-Dade squad x-rayed the truck, scanned the whole thing for radioactive materials.
		Nothing unusual was found at all.
		Two of Saddam Hussein's co-defendants, you may remember, were taken from their cells, told they were going to be hanged on the same day the former dictator was.
		Their lawyer said Sunday the two condemned men still are waiting as Iraqi officials try and decide how to avoid the kind of outcry that followed Saddam's hanging on December 30th.
unidentified		So they still live.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A subway train derailed Sunday near downtown Washington, sending 20 people to the hospital, prompting the rescue of 60 from a tunnel.
		The accident happened about 3.45 p.m. near the underground Mount Vernon Square station that serves two lines beneath the Washington Convention Center.
		I wonder why they never print good news.
		I've wondered about that all my life, and I know many of you do.
		Democrats now running Congress will not give President Bush a blank check to wage war on Iraq, according to the House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi, suggesting they could, well, perhaps deny him the money.
		He calls for additional troops.
		They may not supply the money.
		Yet Pelosi's second-in-command and a Senate leader on foreign affairs questioned the wisdom and legality of using the power of the purse to thwart the White House as Bush prepared to announce his revised war strategy this week.
		And I've heard that that includes about 20,000 more troops.
		That certainly would require money.
		And of course, that's the way they have squished other wars.
		You know, just stop the money.
		The death toll from a riot at a Salvadoran prison rose to 21 after authorities on Sunday reported yet an additional fatality.
		Prison director Roberto Villanova said the maximum security prison, about 40 miles west of the capital San Salvador, will be under a state of emergency for 15 days.
		Warsaw's new archbishop abruptly resigned Sunday over revelations that he cooperated with Poland's communist-era secret police, stunning worshippers by sadly yielding the archbishop's throne just minutes before he was to be formally installed to cries of no, no, and stay with us in and outside St. John's Cathedral.
		A despondent, a very despondent Stanislaw Wiglos read a letter to Pope Benedict in which he offered his resignation, quote, after deeply reflecting and assessing my personal situation.
		A Western Pennsylvania man is trying to solve a mystery that recently landed in his mailbox.
		It was a letter mailed more than 50 years ago and addressed to Frederick Zane Yost.
		The letter with a three-cent stamp.
		Any of you remember a three-cent stamp?
		And postmarked October 26, 1954, was encased in a large postal service window envelope.
		There is a return address in nearby Richland Township, but no sender's name.
		Well, maybe somebody in the administration felt the need to open it.
		Las Vegas, for more than a decade, Microsoft Corporation Chairman Bill Gates and others in the tech industry have touted a vision of a connected lifestyle, one in which digital content can move across devices throughout the home And be taken on the go.
		It's been a slow march, but as Gates kicked off the International Consumer Electronics Show late Sunday, the industry has come farther than ever in delivering on that promise.
		Kind of like robots, they never quite got here the way they were promised.
		All right, we'll take a break and look at some of the, as Paul would say, the rest of the news.
		Coming up in the next hour, Lynn McTaggart, and she'll basically be talking about the force.
		That's right, the force.
		It's a little more complicated than that, but it's going to be a very, very, very, you know, intent.
		It's going to be a very interesting interview.
		The remainder of this hour is going to be dedicated to open line, so those of you who know the portal phone numbers are welcome to dial them now.
		If you have something of intent interest or intense interest to this audience, and this audience does expect the unusual, then feel free to dial in.
		We'll be with you in just a moment.
		The Human Fertilization and Embryology Authority is expected to announce its decision next week regarding some very controversial work, a couple of British scientists who plan to mix human and animal cells in order to research cures for degenerative diseases.
		I'm not sure how good of an idea that is.
		However, the British scientists believe that their plan of creating a partly human and partly animal embryo, if halted, might hinder their work on potentially life-saving new treatments that could possibly benefit hundreds of patients.
		The hybrid embryos, if created, would be around 99.9% human and 0.1% animal in order to produce embryonic stem cells, the body's basic building blocks that can grow into all other types of cells.
		According to the Telegraph's UK edition, and I depend on them heavily for news that we don't get here, the new embryos would provide new hopes for patients suffering from diseases like Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, cystic fibrosis, motor neuron disease, and Huntington's, all terrible.
		Dr. Stephen Minger at King's College London and Dr. Lyle Armstrong at the North England Stem Cell Institute in Newcastle are the two lead researchers on this project.
		They've assured us all that the hybrid embryos would be destroyed within just 14 days, a time when they have not started developing much.
		According to Dr. Minger, informally we have been told by the HFEA they are unlikely to grant permission for our application.
		At present, we have no therapies to even alleviate the symptoms for conditions like Alzheimer's, spinal muscular dystrophy, and motor neuron disease.
		Never mind, make an impact on disease progression.
		I just think it's not a good idea.
		Could there be forbidden sequences in the genome?
		Forbidden?
		Interesting word, right?
		Ones so harmful that they are not compatible with life?
		One group of researchers think so.
		Unlike most genome sequencing projects, which set out to search for genes that are conserved within and between species, their goal is to identify primes, DNA sequences, with chains of amino acids so dangerous to life they don't exist.
		It's like looking for a needle that's not actually in the haystack, said Greg Hempkin, professor of genetics at Boise State University in Idaho.
		He's leading this project.
		There must be some DNA or protein sequences that are not compatible with life, perhaps because they bind some essential cellular component, for example, and have therefore been selected out of circulation.
		There may be some that are lethal in some species, but not others.
		We're looking for those.
		But why?
		There must be some DNA or protein sequences that are not compatible with life and therefore have been selected out.
		To do this, he and his colleagues have developed software that calculates all the possible sequences of nucleotides, the letters of DNA, up to a certain length, and then scan the sequence databases, for example, the U.S. National Institutes of Health, GeneBank, to identify the smallest sequences that aren't present.
		Those that don't occur in one species but do in others are termed nullmers, while those that aren't found in any species are termed primes.
		That's really, really strange stuff, in my opinion.
		Very strange.
		And it sounds as though, and I could be wrong, but it sounds as though they're looking for something, well, they said it themselves, that would be incompatible with life.
		Now, why would you want to find that unless you were contemplating putting something together that would be harmful to life?
	Now, I could be way off base with that and probably am.
	It just sounds that way in the story.
	Let's go west of the Rockies and say, hello, Larry, in Idaho.
	Hello, Larry, in Idaho.
	For some reason, I'm not getting audio.
	They're going to have to turn it up on the other end there.
	Or something.
	Hello, Larry, in Idaho.
	Do you hear me, Larry?
	Going once.
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you there, Larry?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where were you, buddy?
unidentified		Going to get my glasses so I could see what you said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could see what I said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then read my lips.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You get that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just messing with you.
unidentified		What's up?
		Two questions.
		Did you get a 360-degree picture of Manila?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One of those pan pictures?
unidentified		Well, this was some weeks ago, and I sent it to the address of the Premier Radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wrong.
		Send it again.
		Send it to.
		Are you ready?
unidentified		About as ready as I can get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, artbell at mindspring.com.
unidentified		Oh, that's on the computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		I don't have one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't have a computer?
unidentified		No, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can you live in this day and age without a computer?
unidentified		You'd be surprised how wonderful it can be without a computer.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I might be.
unidentified		That was the number one question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, if you send it to Premier Radio, it will probably, maybe, eventually get to me.
unidentified		Well, we'll see.
unidentified		I thought you would be interested in it, but now you're not in Manila anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I still own a condominium there, sir, so I'm very interested in Manila.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'd very much like to get it, actually.
unidentified		I understand that.
		I think I told you at the time I was there 60 years ago.
		So that kind of puts the number on me.
		Now I've got a better one for you.
		Okay.
		You're really fond of the UFO story, right?
		You follow me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean UFOs are something I look into on the program, yes, of course.
unidentified		Well, I know of a 110-year-old newspaper which has on the front page a UFO story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A 110-year-old newspaper.
		Roger.
		What paper is it?
unidentified		Well, do you want me to tell you on the air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, sure.
unidentified		Okay.
		The newspaper itself was called Silver Star.
		However, in recent years, it was changed to the Dolores Star.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From where?
unidentified		Dolores, Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dolores, Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd love to see that.
unidentified		In 1897.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But again, you're going to have to send it in the mail, right?
		And I really don't have a mail address you can send to other than Premier.
		Now, if you send it to Premier now, it'll be safe because they'll be able to get it to me.
		So I guess that's the way you're going to have to do it.
unidentified		Well, maybe you ought to have a contest to see who can find the oldest reference in the world of UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's one of them.
		No question about that.
		So feel free to fire that off to me.
		I'd really appreciate it.
		That's a long time ago.
		To me, modern ufology began really around 1947, I would say.
		But, you know, there were those cave paintings and all the rest of it.
		So perhaps as long as human beings have been gazing into the heavens, they've been seeing things they cannot identify.
		What do you think?
		East of the Rockies, Matthew, in Florida.
		Hi.
unidentified		Got me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
unidentified		Oh, cool.
unidentified		Well, I've been studying the conspiracy theory subculture, and what I'm worried about now is it's almost a setup to me because worst case scenario, there could be another disaster, whatever, that could try to rift the conspiracy theory subculture from the national identity of America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what a tragedy that would be.
unidentified		Well, it would be because, I mean, you had a call last night about the whole September 11th thing, and I don't even want to take one side or the other now because it's getting so heated, if you understand.
		But it's almost like the reaction to it is itself a controlled phenomena, to a disaster.
		The reaction to disaster is itself a controlled phenomenon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can't think of a major disaster or killing or mass killing, as in 9-11 that has not generated the kind of thing you're talking about.
		All of them do in America.
		America loves conspiracies.
unidentified		Right.
		I mean, I know you probably haven't had Alex Jones on.
		I heard the call last night, but we shouldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have never had Alex Jones on.
unidentified		I'm not taking his side or your side or anyone's side because there's even anti-Alex Jones websites that are kind of scary, and I'm not even going to go into those.
		But you should have Alex Jones on, Tex Mars, Whitley Streeber, David Ick, and Ma had Whitley on the other day.
		Right.
		You need to have a night where there's a roundtable about just the conspiracy subculture itself and the phenomena of the culture itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll give you that.
unidentified		You isolate it like that.
		I mean, I've got some crazy theories.
		I mean, the craziest theory is the most conservative American Indians believe that modern Homo sapiens sapiens evolved in the Western Hemisphere 250,000 years ago, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that's the craziest?
unidentified		Well, there's crazier than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there is.
unidentified		We can go to old Earth creationism.
		I mean, there's even people who believe that the ruins on Mars are from pre-adamic man.
		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there's people who think the Earth is still flat, too.
unidentified		Yeah, there's a very small amount of the population.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there's others that think the Earth is hollow.
unidentified		Well, there's a better chance of it being hollow than flat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think?
unidentified		Well, there might be even underground caves, you know, those stories.
		Not quite a hollow Earth, but a hive-like Earth.
		The Earth's like a living thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now I'll tell you what.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd go for that one first.
unidentified		Like, we're a smaller version of the sun, so we don't have enough mass to fire, but there's like a little nuclear reactor, or not little, but a nuclear reactor or a fusion reactor at the core.
unidentified		I mean, what else would the core be?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that in a way, our Earth is live.
		And there are frequencies that are generated that resonate with our human brain.
		So I don't think that's so wild to believe that Mother Earth is in a way alive and that we are affected by things that happen on Earth.
unidentified		I mean, I've had weird experiences.
unidentified		I might have been out of my body the other night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You might be out right now for all I know.
unidentified		Well, but then there's ley lines.
		There's the magnetic lines of the magical energy that goes over the Earth.
		I've always been into this role-playing game, Shadowrun, which was the first place I even heard of the mind calendar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's only magical if you don't understand them.
unidentified		Well, there's the science.
		You buy the Shadowrun game books.
		I mean, they scientifically talk about magic.
		It's another dimension.
		some people have the gene to manipulate mana, which is the magical energy.
		That's what they use.
		They use the term mana.
		It's like it would be the system international measurement of magical energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was bread.
unidentified		You know, mana and bread, kind of the same, or juice, or mojo, but all the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, listen, I will take under advisement your idea to do sort of a roundtable on the whole, not on specific conspiracy theories, mind you.
		But I will definitely take under advisement looking at the conspiratorial mind in America.
		There's not one major incident you can name that has not generated around it conspiracies.
		You know, the killer on the knoll.
		Well, I could go on and on, but I really can't.
		The clock.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Thank goodness for Fast Blast.
		I mean, how cool is this?
		Breaking news, folks.
		From the Associated Press, space probes that visited Mars 30 years ago might have stumbled upon alien microbes on the red planet and inadvertently killed them.
		According to a scientist theorizing in a paper released Sunday, today, the problem was the Viking space probes of 1976 and 1997 looking for the wrong kind of life and then not recognizing it, the researcher said in a paper presented at the meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Seattle.
		Yikes, this new report based on a more expansive view of where life can take root, may have NASA looking for a different type of Martian life form when its next Mars spacecraft is launched later this year.
		Wow.
		Last month, scientists excitedly reported the new photographs of Mars showed geologic changes that certainly suggest water occasionally flows there.
		Even now, the most tantalizing sign that Mars is, in fact, hospitable to life.
		So in other words, we may have found life and accidentally killed it.
		Back to open lines in a moment.
		By the way, I'm getting a lot of Fast Blasts asking, how's my wife doing?
		Erin's doing just fine.
		She's enjoying herself.
		I managed to get, God bless DirecTV, I managed to get a special world dish.
		Now, they can install that, and if you're from another country somewhere, you should know that.
		They're able to install a special satellite dish, and it picks up all the Philippine networks.
		So she gets at least six or seven Philippine TV stations, the one she would normally watch, which is amazing to me.
		Absolutely amazing.
		What a world we live in.
		And moreover, earlier in the day today, she found Philippine radio.
		It also comes along, I guess, with the Philippine package.
		And we're able to listen to 101.9, which was indeed our favorite radio station in Manila.
		All of that coming right from the sky.
		Simply, absolutely amazing to me.
		Simply amazing.
		Let's go to the international line, Chris in Alberta, Canada.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, hey, Art.
		I had a question about the Area 51 caller about, I don't know, four or five years ago, a long time ago.
		And if that radio transmission was, in fact, canceled by government intercept, was that verified?
		Do you know anything about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know a whole lot about it.
		Now, you're referring, Rio, to two different things.
		During the call from that Area 51 caller, we lost our satellite link is what happened.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what actually began happening, the satellite actually in space began to tumble.
		And of course, when it tumbles, you lose the antennas or spot beams, and you lose that immediately.
		You lose sync, and you lose signal, and it's gone.
		So that's, you know, if you want to call it a coincidence that occurred during that wild call, I'll never forget it, but that's what happened.
unidentified		Yeah, did so I had a request.
unidentified		Maybe you could go ahead and do that special request line maybe one of these weekends here again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That possibility?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean an Area 51 line?
unidentified		A Honda Spilled Beans line, maybe sometime?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I could do that.
unidentified		Yeah, because, you know, that guy sounded pretty genuine.
unidentified		It'd be pretty hard to kind of put on something the way that he ended up doing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		All right, sure.
		I will consider doing an Area 51 Spilled Beans line.
		No problem.
		The problem is getting people who are willing to call up and do exactly that, spilled beans.
		Believe me, if you work at Area 51, you virtually sign away your soul.
		And they're not kidding.
		So getting somebody to call up who's worked at Area 51 and really tell what's going on is no small matter.
		Let's go to Robert in California.
		You have achieved the air.
		Hi, Robert.
unidentified		How you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		Yeah, two quick questions for you.
unidentified		The first, do you watch anime at all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do I watch ones?
unidentified		Do you watch animated like Japanese animation?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
unidentified		Okay, there's a series of anime that I'd like to point out to you called Crest of the Stars and Banner of the Stars.
		And it kind of goes in line with genetic manipulation in the respect that eventually, in order to travel deep space, we're going to have to change ourselves.
		I don't think in our physical state the way with the technology we have now, number one, we wouldn't live long enough.
		And number two, I don't think we could physically deal with the anti-gravity, you know, not having any gravity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you're exactly right.
		Human beings are not designed for interstellar space travel at all.
		We simply couldn't do it.
unidentified		But what's interesting about this series is they claim that they were manipulated from the original Earth people.
		This is fast forward maybe 8,000, 9,000, 10,000 years down the line, where you have several different factions.
		These people that are called the Ob, the genetically manipulated people, but you can actually become an OB because they're like a state.
		And then you've got the Empire Mankind, and then you've got all the little independents.
		And the two of them are trying to gobble up control of all these different factions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where do you see this, sir?
unidentified		I actually caught it on G4 Network when they used to be called Tech TV.
		But you can go out and rent them from any reputable video store.
		They should have them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I will look into it.
		It's clear that the human race is not designed for that kind of travel.
		Our muscles would atrophy.
		I believe when astronauts go up and spend, what do they spend these days, three months or more on the International Space Station?
		You know, everything begins to atrophy.
		And that's just in low Earth orbit.
		So obviously, with the time required to get from here to anywhere else, virtually anywhere else, and particularly out of the system, we're simply not designed for it.
		Now, there may be a way that human beings could be put in some sort of form of status.
		And I think when you see most science fiction movies that show long space travel, that's exactly what's done.
		They're put in some little chamber and they're frozen or, you know, put under in some way.
		And I'm sure that's exactly what would have to occur.
		On our fourth wild card line, John in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art, how are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well.
unidentified		Hey, thanks for taking my call.
		I just wanted to share a couple experiences with you from out of my body.
		Started back when I was in school.
		I woke up one evening and there was an entity on my chest, and I tried to get up and it slammed me back down.
		And I was kind of freaked out by the whole thing because I had never been conscious and had a spirit on top of me or gotten out of my body.
		But the point being, all of a sudden, I kind of focused in on this electric space heater we had and it just kind of sizzled and blew up.
		But if I wasn't awake, I would have never caught it.
		But continuing on a couple years, I was able to have these out-of-body experiences.
		And the one thing I really wanted to share with the listeners is I never knew about the, I guess you guys call it the old sea hag.
		But I was actually down in Florida with my family on vacation, and I woke up with an NTD on my chest, and I never really could see a picture of what the NTD looked like until the first time was down in Florida where I saw this old, scary, sea hag kind of witch-looking entity on top of me.
		And I never really could put anything together on it until I heard your show.
		So just wanted to share that with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll be darned.
		I don't recall talking about a sea hag, but anything on your chest unexpectedly that's an entity is going to get your attention.
		How'd you get rid of it?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm with you.
		I just, when one of your previous shows, I heard some of your callers talking about the old sea hag, the old sea witch that no, no, I'm asking how you got rid of the one on your chest.
		She just appeared and tried to get up and got slammed back down.
		And then just, you know, within a minute or two, that spirit, that thing was gone.
		But it's very frightening.
		But it hasn't, I haven't had any experiences for a number of years, but it was a short duration, a couple of years that it was happening.
		And I'm glad that it's finally going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad you're hagless now, too.
		I've never had anything of that sort happen to me, and I don't really want it to.
		That's really weird.
		Can you imagine waking up with some sort of anything on you, some sort of entity that doesn't appear human?
		Oh, my God.
		On the, no, let's go here.
		On the first wildcard line, it's the cat lady.
		She's calling herself from Modesto, California.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I didn't identify myself the last time, but I'm the lady that had mentioned the anti-gravity forces that built the pyramids to medication.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, okay.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
		And you had a good program.
		I thought the fellow was real interesting that you had on that night.
		What I wanted to discuss with you was, and you can stop me when I shouldn't mention something, but we had a, here in Modesto, a fellow that had a death experience.
		This was years ago.
		And if people would like to read about it, they can go on the computer to Not Afraid to Die.
		And his name was Jim Sapoveda.
		He went to a Chester Smith meeting in Stockton when Chester was out of, he was not doing his music, he was doing, you know, what he had was a near-death experience, right?
		Thank you.
		Yes, a near-death experience, yes.
		And he wasn't a churchgoer.
		In fact, everything that I know about Jim is what he told me first person.
		It's not third person.
		But this experience completely changed his life.
		When he went to that service that night, he had a healing there.
		Threw away his medicine.
		The doctor thought he was doubling up on his medicine.
		So to prove to the doctor that he was not, he agreed to undergo, I guess it's called a catheterization when you go through the groin up into take a picture of your heart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That's either that or an angiogram.
		I don't remember which.
		But this was in Doctors Hospital here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was the bottom line?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he had a near-death experience and became religious as a result of it?
unidentified		Pardon me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He became religious as a result?
unidentified		Absolutely.
		It completely changed his life because he said that wherever he went, he went to this place and he said the grass was greener than any green he'd ever seen.
		The sky was bluer than any blue he'd ever seen.
		In the far distance, he saw something, I think he mentioned like a tree.
		He walked toward it.
		He saw a pair of sandals.
		He looked up and he was facing Jesus who told him that he had work for him to do.
		He came back on the tables and they had him covered up with a white sheet.
		To make the story short, the experts showed that there was nothing in Zanders Zambia's heart.
		He was completely healed and he convinced the doctors that the story that he had been telling was true.
		So the people in the different little towns around here, where the bankers did and all these little towns, began to have him come to tell what happened to him.
		And his thing sped out to California and pretty soon he was going all around the world.
		He has since left.
		He was here for 17 years longer.
		He did not die of a heart attack or anything.
		He just was boarding a plane to come back to home here in Modesto, and they said he was dead before he even hit the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of what?
unidentified		A number of years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of what?
unidentified		There was no diagnosis made.
unidentified		They said he was just gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I guess it happens, and those miracles do happen.
		I mean, the doctor I had on last night, one of the very first stories he told was of a man he had examined in order to call the fact that he was dead.
		No heartbeat, no brain activity, no breathing, nothing that would indicate life.
		A very careful examination, and 30 minutes later, the guy sat up and was talking, not particularly coherently, according to the doctor, but was talking.
		Now, how does that happen?
		How in the world does that happen?
		But it did.
		So there are many things in this world of ours that we simply, that the scientists, the doctors, those who should know, don't know.
		And that makes me wonder why they are so, the majority of them, so adverse to learning about the unusual things that just simply don't make sense.
		They're scientists.
		They should be curious when something like that happens that should not happen.
		But they're not.
		They just sort of let it go.
		West to the Rockies, John in San Diego.
unidentified		Mr. Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, thank you very much, sir, for having me on your show.
		It's been a while.
		I haven't talked to you.
		I guess it's about 10 years ago.
		With Mr. Jim Wilkerson, Chowtown News, reporting 300 documents on UFO by Army and Casm Fort Meade?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, great.
unidentified		You remember?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
unidentified		Well, sir, as of recently, a couple months ago, I received another amazing letter from Army and Casman Fort Meade.
		And this has to do with a website that has everything about UFO.
		There are about 9,800,000 reports on UFOs.
		And some are old, some are new, and some are classified.
		And the old ones date back to the 40s and the 50s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, John.
		Well, here's what I would say.
		I would say sit down, fire the address off to me.
		And for the rest of you, anybody who would like to send me an email, you're welcome to.
		I am Art Bell at mindspring.com.
		That's the main address.
		A-R-T-B-E-L-L at mindspring.com.
		M-I-N-D-S-P-R-I-N-G.com or artbell at A-O-L.com.
		The MindSpring address holds a little more, so I'd sort of recommend that one.
		Let's see.
		Let's go to Richard in Houston, Texas.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, Art, I have a copy of the National Geographic, April 1972.
		It was talking about weather.
		And as of that year, the average weather damage was $11 billion per year.
		And in 1934, this is from that National Geographic, on Mount Washington, New Hampshire, there's a naval observatory up there.
		They clocked winds at 231 miles per hour, straight-line winds, at 6,300 feet.
		And grapefruit-sized hail in Coffeeville, Kansas, 1934, I think that was before I was born, one year before.
		And the most rainfall in one year was in India in 1860.
		They had 1,042 inches in one year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a lot of rain.
unidentified		So this strange weather phenomenon is not new.
		There may be more of it now.
		But it's been strange weather for hundreds of years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, sir.
		Weather is chaotic.
		Absolutely chaotic.
		Weather is chaotic.
		It's the nature of weather to be chaotic.
		But don't be deceived.
		What is new is this global warming that we're going through.
		Now, we can carefully chart the difference and the increases in temperature.
		And if you doubt it for a moment, take a look at the progression of, for example, of what's occurred at the North Pole.
		It is now 40 or 50% melted.
		Maybe even more.
		I've seen some photographs that show the North Pole to be about two-thirds melted.
		They're beginning to chart ways to navigate, the Navy is charting ways to navigate the North Pole through what was once ice and is now water.
		And that is progressing at such a fast clip that a lot of us believe the switch has been thrown.
		And by that, I mean the progression of the melting is becoming faster and faster and faster and faster.
		The more it melts, the more it melts.
		And the reason for that is that normally ice would reflect sunlight.
		If you have ice, you've got a very reflective surface, and it reflects sunlight.
		Now, as it melts, you get more water.
		Water, on the other hand, absorbs sunlight.
		So it's kind of a self-propelling process.
		The more melting you get, the more melting you get, and in the next very few years, there's going to be no ice at all at the North Pole.
		Already polar bears are beginning To drown.
		They depend on floating ice to live.
		Well, guess what?
		There's no more, or there's very little, not enough floating ice to support the polar bears, so they're dying left and right at the North Pole.
		The sheets of ice that are on land on the South Pole, Antarctica, they're beginning to become unstable, and should they go into the water, sea levels will rise very quickly.
		Live near the seashore, do you?
		Look out.
		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
		Here I am.
		Yes, indeed.
		Lynn McTaggart's coming up in a moment.
		First, a quick note.
		I get all of these questions on Fast Blast.
		Everybody wants to know about our cats.
		Well, our cats will be here in about a week.
		They're actually going to make their way through Europe.
		They go all the way around.
		They're going to go to Europe and then they'll fly here.
		And so our two cats, Abby Dose, Yeti, and our Philippine adoptee, Dolly, will all fly here, I might add, at a cost about, you know, it costs double, double, if not almost triple, to fly cats from point A to point B. Yes, it's all the way across the world, other side of the world, but it really is extremely expensive.
		So anyway, they fly in about a week.
		Now, Lynn McTaggart began work on the field four years ago.
		It was a personal quest.
		Her research took her to several areas around the globe, meeting with top frontier scientists in Russia, Germany, France, England, South America, Central America, and the USA.
		During these meetings, she saw what these scientists were working on, and it seemed to overthrow the current laws of biology, chemistry, and physics.
		Their theories and experiments also compounded into a new science, a new view of the world, if you will.
		For several years, she immersed herself in quantum physics and poured through hundreds of scientific papers to decode what was often simply impossible to do.
		In many cases, she had to pester the scientists to explain aspects of physics in order to check facts and interpretations.
		Lynn concludes that her work paints a picture of an interconnected universe and a new scientific theory which makes sense of all this supernatural phenomena that we talk about so often on this program.
		In a moment, Lynn McTaggart.
		Lynn McTaggart, welcome to Coast to Coast AM.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Hi there, Art.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		It's great to be back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's good to have you.
		It really is good to have you.
		You're really looking into a field that has my full attention, Lynn.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's fantastic because I think the latest work that we've done is going to get everybody involved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		The field.
		You're calling it the field.
		Why do you call it that?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is my work that I originally did that really took me into this whole area.
		I was looking at things like homeopathy and spiritual healing.
		And because I have a newsletter that looks at medical called What Doctors Don't Tell You, that looks at all the medical information to see what works and what doesn't, I study scientific literature all the time.
		And I kept coming across these studies showing that this stuff really works.
		And I wondered to myself, well, if this is true, then something about the way that we work and the way the universe works must be beyond what current science says.
		And so it really set me on that quest around the world to find out what it was that could explain this phenomena.
		And the field actually stands for the zero-point field, which is a quantum field that unites everything like an invisible web.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's back up just a little bit.
		And you said you studied it and it works, as in healing.
		Can you give me what you consider the best evidence?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		For healing, for mind over matter things.
unidentified		Yes.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		The fact that things...
		And my new book, The Intention Experiment, looks at all of that, the power of intention.
		And there's just enormous evidence that I've come across.
		Mind has been able to affect everything from machines and single-celled organisms to complicated things like human beings.
		And there's just been enormous amount of evidence.
		This is what I have to laugh at when people say this stuff, you know, the skeptics say this stuff isn't proven.
		It's just not true.
		There's just hundreds and hundreds of studies of all of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's say I don't believe it.
		Convince me.
		What do you know that convinced you that it really works?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		The science of it.
		I started looking at the very frontier of science.
		After I published the field, I felt I really needed to look into the whole idea of intention.
		And people were bandying it about so much that I thought, okay, well, let's find out what intention is.
		So I thought, well, again, being of a kind of a show-me personality, I really need to have science to convince me.
		I started looking at all the frontier science to see, okay, what evidence is there that consciousness affects matter out there?
		And I started looking at just what were the latest quantum physicists' view of physical reality.
		And there were two things that really convinced me.
		One is that big reality, the stuff that we see, the sticks and stones reality of our world, is not set, is not final.
		They found in latest studies that even things like molecules are in a state of becoming.
		They're in a state of what Physicists called superposition.
		In other words, they haven't collapsed into any one single state yet.
		There was that.
		And there's also the idea that living things are transmitters and receivers of information.
		We receive light all the time.
		So there's a little information transfer going on all the time between living things.
		So I found what I thought was a perfect mechanism for intention.
		And then there's also studies showing that when someone sends a thought out there, it's received in all aspects of the receiver's body.
		That it affects their heart, their brain, their skin conductance, all sorts of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I guess what I'm asking for is you traveled extensively.
		I mean, you were in Russia.
		You were all over the place.
		I take it that you examined there are people who claim they can heal.
		They claim they can heal either in person or even remotely can heal with intention.
		Now, what have you actually seen done?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I've seen studies.
		And first of all, I've seen intention masters, and I've talked to intention masters, and I've seen what they could do.
		I've seen evidence of qi masters, you know, qigong masters being able to throw people across a room with their thoughts.
		I've seen a video of that.
		I've seen evidence where people, I've seen very, very good evidence that people on one part of America could send their thoughts to heal people on another part of America, and then that worked.
		I've seen evidence that people could calm down other people with their thoughts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you actually followed it up, Lynn, with medical, for example, let's say somebody in New York heals somebody in California.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the person in California said, I'm healed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then do you follow it up to the extent that you get medical evidence that proves that they were really healed?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I only look at published studies.
		I don't look at sort of far-fetched views.
		For this book, I actually did talk to a lot of healing masters, and I interviewed them, but I did it in a scientific way.
		I did it through what they call phenomenological questionnaires, because, again, I didn't want this to be just what the skeptics call woo-woo stuff.
		I wanted this to be solid science, because I felt that's what was really necessary.
		This is what people want.
		They want an underpinning of science.
		So these were all published studies that had been looked at by peer-reviewed journals.
		And so it means that a group of people skeptically look at all this data and have to look at the medical evidence, have to look at all the evidence.
		So it's all there.
		It's all been demonstrated or it wouldn't have been published.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Is there any sort of percentage you can give me or numbers that you can give me that would back this up?
		Well, you looked at studies, studies that proved what?
		Proved that somebody could heal 60% of the time, 70% of the time, 10% of the time.
		In other words...
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		And there are actually studies showing that certain people, when people aren't well in every way, when a healer isn't well in every way, if he's not, you know, if he isn't, you know, healthy physically and also in a positive frame of mind, his healing doesn't work very well.
		Now that was another interesting study.
		But in terms of percentages, I think it really depends on the intention master to say, you know, there are some studies showing that prayer works and I have problems with some of the big prayer studies that have been out now.
		There's some real problems with the way they've been set up.
		I've been hearing that.
unidentified		Sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been hearing that, that there are a few problems with some of the stuff that's been supposedly solid science.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		It hasn't, I mean, these kinds of studies need as careful examination as anything.
		And a lot of them weren't set up in a very scientific way at all.
		I mean, to give you one idea, they didn't give the people who are praying didn't even receive anything beyond the first name of the people they were praying for.
		Now, that's pretty basic.
		You're not even sure who this is being targeted to.
		So there's things like that.
		There are big problems and big holes in all the prayer studies that I looked at.
		But in terms of effectiveness, I think the real important thing is that you'd say that intention works at a significant amount of time in all of these studies.
		So that's got to be beyond 50%.
		So 60%, 70%.
		Some of the studies show 80%.
		Some of the studies show that intention is probably the greatest drug developed in the world.
		That I think that for some of the more conservative studies of mind-affecting machine, for instance, if you look at the effect size of that, it is about 10 times as good as the effectiveness of something like aspirin.
		And aspirin has been considered one of the greatest drugs of all time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		But Lynn, doctors know, they don't talk about it much, but they know that the placebo effect is gigantic.
		I forget what the percentages are, but if somebody you believe is a good physician hands you a sugar pill and tells you it will fix whatever you said was wrong with you, a very disturbingly high percentage of the time, it cures you.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And in fact, some of the latest studies I've shown, I've found, have shown that doctors know this, and they will, in many cases, prescribe a drug that is not going to really do something.
		It only has a tiny bit of active substance in there, just so they can convince themselves it's got something in there.
		But they're counting on the power of the mind to heal.
		And, I mean, the placebo effect is the greatest drug that we've got.
		The power of the mind works.
		I mean, there's an amazing couple of studies.
		One really incredible one where they did operations for arthritis, and they did regular operations on some of the people, and other people got a sham operation.
		In other words, they just opened up their knee and then closed it.
		And they found a year or so later that both groups claimed to be healed.
		The people that had nothing done got better.
		Other example of this, an example in Canada where they gave people with Parkinson's what they thought was dopamine, and it was just a sugar pill.
		And their brains started developing and producing dopamine.
		And you know, in Parkinson's, this is the stuff that's lacking in the patients.
		So it's just the thought of it that works, As well as any kind of active substance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So when we get, for example, to a healer, somebody in California, and I'm going to get on the phone with them and tell them what's wrong, and they're going to send me vibrations to heal me, the big question is: is that person in California actually doing something for me, or is it me on the phone understanding that this is being sent to me, sending my own brain in motion to heal myself?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I think it's both.
		I think one of the things I was looking at for intention was, again, what happens in the receiver, what happens in the transmitter.
		And there is a subtle dance that's going on all the time.
		And it's like a reorganization that's happening from the transmitter.
		And the belief of the receiver is also helping, too.
		It's what they call in physics greater coherence.
		What some of the scientists I've talked to believe is going on when somebody is ill is basically their frequencies are scrambled up.
		And that living beings have the greatest kind of quantum organization sound on the planet.
		It's called coherence.
		It means that all of the waves in their, it means that energy waves are operating in tandem, almost like an orchestra, where you've got individual players, but they're all contributing to this beautiful collective sound.
		And the view is that somebody who's ill is a little bit disorganized.
		In other words, that they're not quite so coherent.
		So the coherence of the healer is helping to restore that balance in the recipient.
		But the belief also has an effect as well in restoring coherence.
		So as I say, it's a kind of, there's this, there is information being generated, picked up, and sent all the time.
		There's an antenna receivers going on all the time, information transfer between living things all the time at every moment.
		Every time you notice something, in a sense, we're sending an intention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The central point of your book is that consciousness affects matter, correct?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do we actually set about – I believe it, Lynn.
		I did some experiments here on the era that absolutely blew me away.
		I'm sure you do know about them, right?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I do, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, all right.
		So I know it's real.
		I just don't understand it.
		And I'm worried that that lack of understanding, particularly when you're, you know, trying to manage millions of people out there toward one idea, could backfire, and I might not do the right thing.
		But I understand the power of directed consciousness.
		It's astounding.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
		Well, it's, you know, it's a new paradigm.
		It's a new understanding.
		And as I say, what's being discovered right out there in physics, right out there on the frontiers, offers a paradigm where this works.
		The only reason that we think this is really strange is because we have this bizarre and old-fashioned view of the world, that all of us are separate and that we are all separate and that the human body and all sorts of things out there are a finalized assemblage, you know, that they can't be changed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have looked carefully at what's going on at Princeton, right?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I hope you.
		I've looked carefully, yes, what's been going on all over the world, I mean, in terms of science.
		I mean, the Princeton people were fascinating because they set up, that's the PEIR group, the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Group, they set up this very scholarly program to measure whether or not consciousness could affect random event generators, which are a 21st century equivalent of a toss of a coin.
		And they are things that produce heads or tails pretty much 50% of the time when left to run on their own devices.
		And usually they're like a computer screen, and they'll have alternating pictures of, say, cowboys and Indians.
		And the pair people asked all their volunteers, and there were thousands of them, to sit in front of these computers and to send their intentions to create more cowboys and Indians than on the screen, then to do the reverse, and then to try not to have an effect at all.
		And over hundreds and thousands of studies, they discovered that in a significant portion of the time, that they would be affecting these machines out of their random course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no question about it.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		There's no question.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, there are skeptics who attack it, but the evidence compounds over these hundreds of thousands of studies.
unidentified		It's very persuasive to say that there are effects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you.
		It's a new but not well understood power.
		Now, maybe you've come further down the road in understanding this power.
		We're approaching a, we've got so much to talk about.
		We're approaching a break, Lynn.
		So hold tight for a moment.
		This is exactly what I was hoping we'd be talking about tonight, and so it is.
		What we're talking about is real.
		It's not subjective.
		It's absolutely real.
		There are a few things in this world that I absolutely believe in, but intention and the power to control.
		You bet I do.
		I'm Art Bell.
		I'm sure that one day science is going to understand and explain to us exactly what it is we're talking about tonight, why it works, how it works, how this information is transmitted from those with intention to the one who would be healed.
		Or in a moment, and after the break, I will explain how you can have intent, even, for example, cure yourself.
		We'll be right back.
		Well, Okay, here we go.
		Lynn, I'm going to tell you something I do personally that one of my guests some years ago told me about, and I've tried it, and it works.
		Here it is, and you can tell me what I'm doing.
		The person told me, lie in bed, close your eyes, and try and picture a white light, a white light, and then bring it down and just wash it over your body as you're lying in bed with your eyes closed.
		And it works.
		Now, I don't know what it does, Lynn.
		Maybe it's the placebo effect.
		I have no idea, but it's my own intention, believing that if I bring down and wash my body in this white light, it will have a beneficial effect.
		And it seems to work.
		Now, what is that?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		What it is, is I wanted to try to extrapolate from all of these different sources, both science and the master intenders, a program that people could use in their lives.
		Also, for us to create for an experiment.
		And I'll get to that in a moment because my book is actually an experiment as well as a book.
		But the point was I wanted to get all these ideas.
		What do they all do in common?
		What makes you a better intender?
		And one of the things that they all do is a thing I call powering up, which is they get their mind into a meditative state of some sort.
		And they use all kinds of different ways.
		You know, some healers do some things.
		People use rosary beads.
		They use mantras.
		They use anything like that to still the mind.
		And so for you, the white light was just a way to, it created a meditative state.
		And I think that's one of the first things that you need to do to get into a place where you can use your thoughts to maximum effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, that's all it is then.
		And everybody, or most everybody, can do it, right?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Most everybody can do it.
		But there are times, there are places.
		I mean, this is the other thing I was looking at.
		You know, what other conditions help?
		And I found that even our relation to the planets, you know, even certain geomagnetic times help.
		Using certain places again and again, there's been some evidence that the more you do intention in one place, the more it works.
		Stilling the mind is a really important thing, but also making your intention as specific as possible, focusing on compassion.
		But a really interesting thing that I found, Art, was, you know, everybody talks about calming down and that the really important thing is to settle into what people call an alpha state, you know, where your brain slows down.
		And that was not what I found.
		One of the things I wanted to look at was what happens with people like monks?
		You know, Buddhist monks are the biggest intent, you know, they're master intenders.
		They're able to take their minds and bring their metabolism down by up to about 60%.
		And that should be impossible.
		Or, you know, they have been known to bring their temperature up by about 20 degrees.
		There have been studies showing that when they wrap around freezing cold blankets around monks who are clad only in little loincloths, they've been able to steam dry those sheets with their thoughts.
		So I figured, well, these guys know what they're doing.
		So what happens with them?
		There have been some really interesting brain studies of these guys showing that when they are in a state of intention, their brains aren't slowing down.
		They are speeding up to what's called a gamma state, which is a state of utter peak attention.
		It's about the fastest brain, you know, it's the fastest brain waves the human body has.
		So these are people in an absolute peak state of attention.
		So for ordinary folks like you and me, it's important for us to still the mind to calm down.
		But eventually we want to get to a state of peak attention to really, really make these intentions count.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I had not heard that before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You always hear quiet the mind, go into a meditative state, but you're saying the real masters of this, while they do that, they then go into another state where their mind is extremely active on intent.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I mean, interesting studies of psychics, you know, the famous psychic and remote viewer, Ingo Swan, he was studied as well.
		While he was in the process of remote viewing, his brain was not in an alpha state of slowed down.
		That's when your brain wave is, brain waves are like light meditation or light dreaming.
		His brain's waves were up there in gamma as well.
		So he had moved into a state of peak attention.
		So what I tend to suggest for people is that they try to do things like mindfulness meditation, which is a mindful and just exquisite awareness of the present, everything that's going on, what your breathing feels like, what the room smells like, just attending to every moment without judgment.
		And that helps you develop this state of peak attention.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have, so you looked at the studies of these people or have you actually yourself ever studied these people, gone to these people?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Both.
		I conducted my own questionnaire with a lot of master intenders and I also looked at hundreds and hundreds of studies all over the place in all kinds of areas to see what the Science said, and what the science said about people like this.
		Because now, I mean, monks are the favorites of the neuroscience lab.
		All sorts of places all around America and, in fact, the world are studying monks to see what this says about the human mind.
		And they found the studies that I'm talking about were done by Harvard, Herbert Benson, where he went out to Tibet and places like that and wired up monks to see what was going on in a body that could steam dry sheets and turn into the equivalent of a human furnace.
		And then there have been other studies.
		We're at the University of Wisconsin where the Dalai Lama has flown in a bunch of his chief and experienced monks.
		And they've wired them up with EEG machines, studying their brain waves to see what happens.
		And those are the studies that showed they go into a gamma state.
		And it even surprised the researchers because they also thought the brain slows down during meditation.
		Well, for these intention masters, it doesn't.
		It speeds up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		So we can measure the fact that the brains are going into this gamma state.
		We can measure that something unusual is happening with their brains.
		We can even verify that it really works.
		But we don't, I think, we do not understand how it works.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Do we?
		How what works?
		How intention works?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How something is...
		I'm...
		I'm a ham radio operator.
		I understand how a radio signal gets from point A to point B, but I don't understand how intention gets from point A to point B. And I don't think science yet understands that.
		It's probably in the quantum world somewhere, but we don't really know yet, do we?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, we do, Art.
		And that's what I've covered in my book.
		First of all, there's been some really interesting evidence done by Gary Schwartz.
		He was fascinated by those copper wall experiments done by Elmer Green.
		And these were studies showing that whenever a healer sends healing, that it gets recorded as electricity.
		There's an electrical, electrostatic charge that happens.
		And Green was able to measure this by putting these healers in a whole room that was a copper wall, you know, surrounded by copper walls.
		And copper is a great amplifier.
		And so he hooked up these copper walls to an EEG machine, which records, you know, instead of recording brain waves, he was recording any kind of charge that was coming out of these healers.
		And he found that this was, you know, any time they sent healing, this was going on.
		But Schwartz realized that Green was having a problem because any time these guys moved, they were also sending a charge.
		And so Schwartz thought, wow, this is the most interesting part of the data.
		Maybe every movement creates an electromagnetic signal that's picked up.
		And so he wondered whether or not human beings are transmitters of signals all the time.
		So he began playing around with these really fun studies where he would stick a EEG cap on a little bust of Einstein.
		And he would wave, he'd start waving his hand over it.
		And he also attached this to a copper wall so it would amplify it.
		And he'd show his students that every time he waved his hand over it, there would be a big recording on the equipment as though this bust of Einstein had a brainwave.
		And really what was going on was nothing to do with Einstein.
		It had to do with Schwartz's hand.
		Every time he was moving, he was creating a signal.
		Then he did other studies showing that any time someone else did wave their hand and he put his hand out, he'd also cause a signal.
		So he was like the conduit of the signal.
		And what was going on was he was realizing that every movement we make, everything we do, is transmitting energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I can buy that, but an electrostatic measurement, I can buy that, but I cannot buy how an electrostatic charge of any sort can affect a person from one side of the world to the other.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, then we'd move into the quantum world with things like this.
		And we move to somebody like, excuse me, Fritz Albert Popp.
		Now, he is a German physicist who stumbled on the idea that living things emit tiny photons of light.
		We all dribble out a little tiny current of light all the time.
		And this is quantum information that's going on.
		And you know, with quantum information, there isn't measurable distance, that things can affect other things through a thing called non-locality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, Einstein said spooky action at a distance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He didn't like it at all.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		He didn't like it at all because it means for anybody who doesn't know what it is out there, it means if you've got two quantum particles and they've been in contact one time, you can move one to Tokyo and the other to New York, and they will always be in contact.
		It's kind of like twins being separated at birth.
		And if you move one, you move these two apart, they still like the same color.
		It's like they still marry the woman called Jane.
		They both marry a woman called Jane.
		And if you knock one down the stairs, the other one breaks his leg, too.
		So they're constantly affecting each other, no matter how far they're apart.
		And so in the quantum world, you can have this kind of non-local effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you can't understand it, Lynn.
		It's true.
		Everything you just said is true.
		But how that quantum action occurs, apparently faster than the speed of light, without respect to distance, nobody knows.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Nobody knows why this Happens, but we can say it does happen, and it does happen with living things, and that we are transmitting and sending information all the time to each other.
		The other thing that's really interesting about this is some evidence that when you send a thought, that it's being picked up in every part of the receiver's body.
		There have been some really interesting studies at the Institute of Neuetic Sciences called the Love Study, where they found that they had partners, one of whom had cancer, and the partner who was sending was the healthy partner.
		Every time he would send a healing thought, and they had them all monitored for everything, the recipient would receive this information by a correspondence in brain waves, in his heart waves, in his skin conductance, in different aspects of his body.
		And it demonstrated that anytime somebody sends that kind of a thought, it's picked up in the receiver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is really weird stuff, Lynn, but it's true.
		I know it's true.
		I just wish I could understand it.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think you have to think about a thought as a thing.
		And a thought that a thing is a physical thing that affects other things.
		And it is like this current of light.
		A thought, like everything else coming out of us, is a current of light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we're going to have to settle for it's true, but we don't know how it works.
		Someday science may find out how it works.
		I'd love that.
		Maybe not in my lifetime.
		In the meantime, I guess all we can do is figure out how to manipulate it, how best to use it to our benefit.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is really what we're looking at.
		I mean, the book, what I have tried to do with the book is not only put this stuff together, but test it.
		And that's the real purpose of the book, is the book is a global laboratory.
		I'm working with a number of scientists, and we're going to push the boat out and try to find out by using our readers and getting involved in sending out thoughts at the same time.
		So we're creating a giant group of intenders to see what happens when we all send the same thought at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God bless you.
		Good idea.
		Gary in Irvine, California, I get these little computer messages, asks a question that I also want an answer to, and it's simply this.
		Please ask Lynn if there are evil intention masters.
		Now, if this is a real power, like most powers, I would imagine that it could be used for good, healing, or evil.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		I mean, I've got a whole chapter about negative intention because that's the first thing anyone asks is, okay, you know, what's more powerful, a positive thought or a negative thought?
		And how do I protect myself?
		And yes, there are loads of studies about this, and mainly they've done it with things like bacteria and viruses.
		Because when you think about it, oftentimes when you're trying to send visualization, let's say if you've got cancer, you're sending out a negative thought.
		All those visualizations that Carl Simonson did with his patients really basically said, think of your body as Pac-Man and imagine you're gobbling up your cancer cells.
		Well, that's a negative intention.
		It's trying to kill something.
		And that's what that kind of visualization is all the time.
		You kill your cancer in order to live.
		And yes, there's been lots of studies of Qigong masters and things showing that they can turn on positive intention and negative intention.
		And that negative intention is pretty powerful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		But you sort of did a it's negative, but it's positive kind of thing, like I'm going to shrink and kill my cancer cells.
		Let's really get off into the negative territory.
		Let's talk about, for example, a witch.
		Now, there are women who claim that they can actually physically cause damage to a person.
		So instead of eating up the cancer cells, which is sort of a negative thing, suppose somebody claims they can not only create, but cause cancer to spread in a person.
		Let's really get negative here.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's lots of evidence to show, as I say with a lot of studies, that sending a negative thought is as powerful as sending a positive thought.
		And there's certainly been studies where they've measured with Qigong masters, they've had them alternately send a positive thought and then send a negative thought, and it's just as powerful.
		And there's that whole folklore about voodoo showing that, you know, lots of times pointing the bone at somebody, there have been certainly documented cases where people die from that.
		So I think that there's something in this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here, here, here.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Many studies done on voodoo have only been, the studies I've seen have only tried positive voodoo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, I'm really glad to hear you say that because a lot of the woo-woo people say, oh, you can't do anything negative with this.
		It's only, you know, the universe only allows positive things to happen.
		And I just never bought that then, and I don't buy it now.
		So I think you're right.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		No, it's absolutely true that negative thoughts have power.
		There have been plenty of studies.
		They're in my book about how negative thoughts can affect things just as much as positive thoughts.
		And certainly they've found that in one study, it was hard for people to block it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it right there, Lynn.
		We have to pause here at the clock.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Get ready, folks, because here it comes.
		Intention.
		Now, what we're talking about here May not be all that new.
		It may be something that those of faith, those of religious persuasion, have always known.
		They know prayer works.
		I think we all know, well, not all of us, but I think most people know that prayer works.
		Now, I've got a very sensitive question for Lynn McTaggart when we come back, and that is, what do the studies, and that's what she's looked at, say about religiously based prayer for a person's well-being or health or whatever you might pray for versus raw, non-religious intention, raw-focused, non-religious intention.
		We will ask in a moment.
		Those of faith out there will say, duh, of course it works.
		Where have you been, Art?
		So, Lynn, is there a measurable difference between people who pray in the name of God or Jesus for a person's health and well-being versus those who use raw intent?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		No, to be honest.
		And this is not to denigrate religion or to try to say that one works better than the other or to say that there is no such thing as religion.
		But certainly from a scientific point of view, the studies show that any kind of intention can work just as well as another.
		And many times what intenders of all sorts say, and they all said some common things, one aspect of it was a kind of a sense of surrender.
		I always thought that intention was this kind of real effort, this real focused thought.
		Like, you know, when I'm watching my girls play in a sports competition or something like that, I'm sitting there and I'm a real noisy mom and I'm, you know, I'm going, you know, I'm right in there catching the ball with them.
		But they all describe something very different.
		They describe a kind of a surrender.
		You put your intention out there and then you surrender to a greater force.
		Now, that greater force could be the field.
		It could be Jesus.
		It could be whatever you think.
		It could be one of a number of beliefs.
		But the point is there is whatever you want to call it, it's a greater sort of energy force.
		And so that's why I'm saying it's more or less the same.
		But certainly the studies of Qigong masters, of Buddhist monks, of prayer, of certain prayer, all seem to have a similar effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So it's a real power.
		I don't doubt that for a second.
		And it may turn out to be a power given to us by a Creator.
		There's no way to say that is not true.
		But in measurements, raw intent is as powerful as prayer in the name of Jesus or God.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, remember, too, there have been a lot of prayer studies that have shown that, you know, prayer doesn't work.
		I mean, these studies have been, I mentioned earlier on in the program, there's some real big problems with this.
		There was a great big study called STEP done by Herbert Benson from Harvard.
		And these were studied, in this study, they had a group of heart patients, and they had prayer, you know, their prayers were from three different kinds of groups.
		I think it was the Unity Church, a few other types.
		And they were only given the name and the last initial of the person to be prayed for.
		And so many people who say, you know, who believe in prayer and use prayer, say, well, this isn't the way prayer is used in real life.
		It would be impossible for their groups to establish any kind of meaningful connection or even to zero in on the people they're praying for.
		And there's all, I mean, it's a bit like trying to make a cell phone call to somebody and expecting them to answer when you've only dialed the first three digits of the phone number.
		So, you know, you're not hooking into the person.
		And they were, you know, they showed that a lot of the, none of those studies used any kind of criteria to pick the people who in the prayer groups or to, you know, keep track of how long they even prayed.
		You know, how long is a prayer?
		How do you study it?
		So one of the big problems in looking at science, the science of prayer, is it's very difficult to try to control that in a scientific way.
		I think the better studies are just the plain ecumenical healing studies where you're able to look at it in a certain way and quantify it scientifically.
		But one thing they did find in one study of healers is that it worked better if the recipient knew the healer.
		It also worked well, it worked better if both of them believed something similar.
		They had similar beliefs.
		And thirdly, it worked, and this is the thing I found most interesting, is it worked best when the healer was in good health.
		It worked when the healer was in a good mood, when the healer was feeling well in every way.
		So in a sense, you know, you heal the healer first, and then it works the best.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that interesting?
		All right.
		There's another thing about the quantum world.
		It really doesn't respect time necessarily.
		So in the book, you, I guess, offer some evidence that people can pray for yesterday.
		In other words, go back and change the past.
		Is there actually evidence for this?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		This was the most mind-boggling part of the research art.
		I was amazed by this one study.
		It was a prayer study, and it was done in Israel with a bunch of patients who had blood infection, sepsis.
		And they were carefully divided into two groups, and these were all patients in the hospital, and one half of the, you know, one group was prayed for to see if they could get better more quickly, and the other half wasn't.
		And the people who were prayed for were better in every way.
		They got better quicker than the other ones.
		And the only catch of it was the people who were prayed for had been in the hospital in the early 90s, and the prayers were carried out in the year 2000.
		And now, the guy who did this actually wanted to prove that alternative medicine doesn't work.
		He was a skeptic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no kidding.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		No, this was supposed to show this stuff doesn't work.
		And I think he meant to say you can't use the scientific model to look at this.
		But he published it in The Lancet.
		And it got pounced on by skeptics and believers alike to show that, you know, you can, that A, prayer studies work, and B, you can go back and change the past.
		So this became a real argument.
		But, you know, I started looking at this because this is where I have a big bunch trouble.
		You know, how can you go back and change the past?
		And there have been enormous numbers of studies trying to do just this thing where they've tried to change the activity in a shopping mall.
		You know, the way people walk in a shopping mall, whether or not you could influence that retroactively.
		This is called retroactive intention.
		There have been some really interesting studies.
		We talked about REG machines.
		There were some great studies done by a guy called Helmut Schmidt, where he, instead of putting the REGs on a computer screen, he had them as a series of left and right clicks.
		So they were an audio kind of equipment.
		And he would tape it already, so he would have the output already.
		Then he'd have somebody listen to it four to six days later and attempt to change it.
		And now remember, the thing had already been run.
		But when he went and he put a master in a vault so he'd have that master, he'd go back and listen to it and hear that there, if he had asked the person to do more left ear clicks than right ear clicks, he'd find that it had been changed in that direction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's incredible.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		So you think, well, what was going on here?
		And what was going on was not that he changed the past.
		What was going on was that the mind reached back, in a sense, down the timeline and affected it at the point when it was generated.
unidentified		So in other words, we don't change the past.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		The turn goes back and fixes the present, changes the present.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Changes the present.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's what a lot of people are talking about.
		A lot of scientists have now evidence to show, in a sense, our past and our present are shaking hands with each other all the time.
		The future is constantly affecting, future conditions are constantly affecting the present.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is such exciting research, Lynn.
		Where do we go from here with it?
		Where does the research go?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is what happened to me, as I say.
		I kind of came up against a brick wall at a certain point of my research.
		The thing that I was really interested in was what happens when lots of minds think the same thing at the same time?
		Where's the evidence for that?
		How much, does it get stronger?
		Does intention get stronger if you've got more than one person thinking the same thing at the same time?
		And there was some tantalizing evidence about this, but not really, not enough.
		And so my husband kind of turned to me and said, well, why don't you do these experiments yourselves?
		And I had to laugh at this because I'm not a scientist.
		I'm a science writer.
		But the last experiments I carried out was in my 10th grade science class, dissecting frogs.
		So I thought, well, I can't do this.
		But then I started to think, well, wait a second.
		I've got hundreds of thousands of readers.
		I've got an experimental body here that's bigger than anybody, you know, any other lab.
		Suppose I talk to some of the scientists I know and see if we can set up a global laboratory.
		And that's exactly what we're doing.
		So in a sense, the book is really just a prelude to what we want to find out about intention.
		So in other words, we're setting up labs in Germany, in University of Arizona, with the Institute of Noetic Sciences.
		And we're going to have periodic studies of intention where all the readers have to send their intentions all at the same time to some sort of measurable target.
		So this will start telling us more and more and more about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you going to try to do?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Pardon me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you going to try to do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to get many minds to focus, right?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're going to tell them to, let's say our first target is going to be we're creating a little mini Gaia, you know, like a little mini world, and we want to artificially raise the temperature.
		And we're going to ask all of our readers at that point, and I think that's, I think we've got our first one targeted for March 24th.
		And we're going to have people all send their intention at the same time, a very specific intention that I'm going to have on our website that basically says, you know, we're going to try to lower this temperature by a certain number of degrees.
		And we'll see.
		We're going to have the scientists on board.
		We'll have our webcam.
		And we're going to see, you know, whether or not we can do that.
		We've got a lot of plans for a number of, they're all philanthropic targets.
		We're not trying to win the lottery here.
		We're not trying to make anybody a million dollars or whatever.
		We're just trying to see what can we do with our thoughts?
		Can they be a big force for good?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they can.
		They can be a big force.
		I'm not sure that that's the part that got me.
		You know, we created rain, Lynn.
		You know about my experiments.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What worries me is will it always be as you intend?
		In other words, if I enjoin millions of people to try and create rain over a specific area that's been in drought and there's no rain in the forecast and it happens.
		For example, in Texas, Lynn, we created rain in an area that had been just drought-ridden, and they got so damn much rain, it flooded.
		It was awful.
		Now, that's when I began to think, hey, I don't know what I'm doing.
		I really don't understand the dynamics of what I'm doing.
		And so how do we get a grasp on this so it can be used safely?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is why we want to keep it in very strict laboratory conditions.
		This is why we're just trying it as an experiment first, because we don't understand.
		We have to learn more.
		And so what I felt I could do was just harness this as an experiment first and begin to learn.
		And we find it, if we keep it in one little safe laboratory place, then we can learn.
		First, we'll start with non-human targets, because again, as you say, we don't know.
		We'll find out, do we have a positive effect?
		Do we have a negative effect on this little mini Gaia?
		We have other plans.
		If we do go onto humans, we might just try something like attention.
		Attention deficit, that's a big problem.
		And you can easily measure somebody's attention or lack of attention.
		So we might take one child and try to send an intention to see if we can just increase her attention for that time.
		But we'll be very careful about it.
		We may not go on to human targets right away.
		We've been thinking about trying to do, we could even track this on a computer screen if we have a patient with Alzheimer's.
		Let's say we just try to get that patient who's in a hospital, just to help that patient who may be very confused, to just go back to his room.
		We could track it right on the computer screen to see whether or not we're doing it.
		But we'd be very careful and selective about our targets so that we can't harm anything or anybody.
		And we just learn because this is what needs to be done.
		We need to push the boat out here and really learn about it.
		This is where science always goes.
		You need to ask an outrageous question like, what if our thoughts could change the world?
		And find out what happens.
		And that's the point.
		That's what science has always done.
		It's always pushed forward by asking a ridiculous question like, you know, can you do what if stones, what if stones fall from the sky?
		Or can you take a giant cylinder of steel and let it fly through the air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, here's one for you.
		When I do this program, Coast to Coast AM, I always open up by reading sort of a summary of the world news.
		The world news, Lynn, is never good.
		If you take a five-minute summary of UPI or AP or any of the major news services, it's absolutely concentrating on the negative.
		People dead under a collapsed building.
		How many American soldiers have been killed in Iraq?
		I could go on and on and on, but that's the news.
		Now, I wonder if we can both agree that if what we're talking about with regard to intent is true, the constant battering that the American people get of bad news has got to have an effect on the world.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I absolutely agree.
		I oftentimes say, do not read the news because it's just going to, it becomes your life's intention.
unidentified		Yes.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		You know, the thoughts that we are kicking around all the time, those silly little, that little stream of consciousness we have all the time becomes our life's intention.
		I believe the thoughts that are going on in your mind.
		You know, I wondered about this once, about, you know, just unintended thoughts.
		I had a cleaner.
		I re-renovated my house.
		And I had a cleaner who accidentally put too much lime scale remover on and stripped off all of the chrome on all of the taps in my house.
		And I had just renovated it.
		I freaked out so much, I had to go to bed.
		I was so upset about this.
		And I realized, I found out later that the point that I'd sort of vented my fury, she'd fallen off the bus and broken her leg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		And you know, you have to wonder, does that unintended thought of mine, did that have any effect on her?
		And I had a similar thing with my bank manager, who, you know, when a computer program, because everything's by computer, didn't pick up a deposit and so bounced some of my checks.
		I was so furious about this.
		And I found out my bank manager the next day fell down and broke all of her front teeth.
		And I thought, was that me?
		Did I do that?
		And of course, you know, this is what I want to learn and find out.
		Do these unintended thoughts we have streaming through our minds, do they become our life's intention?
		Do they affect other people?
		I think they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an awfully important question, Lynn.
		All right, hold tight.
		We're at a breakpoint.
		But folks, it's true.
		Read any five-minute summary of world news.
		Now, that's laying a groundwork for millions of minds To imagine that everything's falling apart, perhaps causing it to.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Indeed, from the high desert.
		Stephen in Bakersfield, California, Fast Blast Me, Art.
		Good news is boring.
		Bad news sells.
		Therefore, that's all we see.
		Good news is out there.
		It's just not interesting.
		Simple as that.
		Well, true.
		Absolutely true.
		But you know what?
		I'm beginning to get to the point in my life where I'm willing to entertain all kinds of notions that I previously would not entertain.
		For example, and I'll even go this far, as you know, I'm watching the climate very closely.
		I'm a big believer in global warming.
		I read you all kinds of stories about the latest studies and the temperatures rising and the North Pole melting and all the rest of this horrible stuff that's going on.
		How am I to know, honestly, that the news that I'm giving you is not causing a sort of reaction in millions of minds out there that's causing the problem to worsen?
		How am I to know that when I read you stories about more Americans than ever dying in Iraq, that that doesn't cause more Americans to die in Iraq?
		It's a rough thought to have, but I'm willing to entertain it because all of what Lynn Taggard is talking about, all of this intention stuff appears to be absolutely true.
		So then you have to begin to entertain some of these notions about the way we're conducting ourselves and the world.
		We'll be right back.
		Or, for example, Lynn, all of these really good police shows like CSI and all the rest of them, they tend to concentrate on plots and stories about serial killers with weird sexual proclivities that chop women up into little pieces and all kinds of horrible things that actually are fairly rare.
		But how do we know, how do we know, in fact, we might even suspect that putting this into the minds of so many millions of people actually is a causative thing?
		You see where I'm going, right?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I think you're right.
		I mean, this is what really, this is what I was looking at all the time with the material that I've been looking at with the intention experiment.
		It seems that, as I say, that flitting, that material that flits through our minds, the flotsam and jetsum of our daily lives, seems to have an impact all the time.
		Every thought, if you think every thought is the thing that's affecting other things, that we are sending and receiving all the time, the information we're receiving is affecting our bodies.
		Our thoughts are affecting our bodies all the time.
		And that this is having, we're taking this in.
		I mean, one thing that I was fascinated about having to talking about bodies is the idea that the brain can't distinguish between a thought and a physical action.
		One thing I looked at that was very interesting about intention, I wanted to see how intention worked in real life.
		And I started looking at sports people because that's where they use mental rehearsal all the time.
		They use thoughts all the time.
		The greatest proponent of this was Muhammad Ali.
		When you actually study him, you see this guy was a master of intention.
		He used every possible intention, including the greatest line of all time, I am the greatest.
		That's the best intention you can use.
		When you look at his little rhyming quatrains, they were all little intentions in disguise.
		Archie Moore's going to hit the floor on four.
		And he actually would do that.
		He would set that intention, and it would come to pass.
		Anyway, my point is, I started studying what these sports people do.
		As they say, they all engage in mental rehearsal because they realize the brain can't distinguish between a thought and a physical action.
		Perfect example of that is study of people.
		They divided people into two groups.
		And one group went out and worked in the gym.
		And the other group just thought about their biceps getting bigger.
		And they found that the people who worked out in the gym had an increase in their measurements of their arms by 30%.
		And the guys who just thought about it, it was an increase of 15%.
		So it was half as good.
		So for any of the couch potatoes out there, all you have to do is think yourself into the burn.
		You don't have to actually do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is also incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So again, when you look at our news, whether it's the ABC, CBS, NBC nightly news, or me reading a world summary, if the conclusion at the end of that newscast is, boy, the world is really going to hell in a handbasket, if that's what you believe to be true and you spend some time thinking about that, aren't you helping it along?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I think you are.
		I think with everybody who thinks and notices, I think with every time the mind notices, it is sending an intention with what we understand now about the science, about the fact that things out there are affected by us at every moment.
		We're sending and receiving all the time.
		That what we are thinking, we're sending.
		What we're sending, we're contributing to.
		So, and we're also, as I say, we're taking this into our bodies.
		This is become something that's affecting that dynamism that is our organism, that is changing all the time.
		And if your thoughts are, you know, if your thoughts are negative all the time, it becomes your life's intention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can we experimentally, Lynn, determine whether one person's concentrated intention is as strong As a million concentrated intentions?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, as I say, that's the point of our study with the intention experiment is just to really test this in a laboratory condition with our readers.
		And I'm going to test it very carefully by making sure that people have to go through certain procedures on our website.
		Incidentally, Art, I just wanted to mention it's we've got your link to my website is Living the Field, our other website.
		We've also got one which is theintentionexperiment.com, which has the whole thing there.
		And we're going to have, as I say, webcam.
		We're going to let people send their intentions at certain points.
		We're going to give them certain tests, you know, little psychological tests so we know who's doing it.
		And we're going to test what's stronger.
		Is it just 10,000 people, is 10,000 people stronger than 5,000 people?
		What about when it's 100,000 people?
		Is that stronger still?
		There were some interesting, I mean, we carried out one intention experiment that I recount in my book, where we had 16 meditators in London, where I live, and we sent an intention to four targets in Germany.
		We sent, it was two kinds of algae, you know, scientists like things like algae, a jade plant and a human being.
		And we stressed all four of them.
		You know, we made the woman drink three cups of coffee.
		We put a pin through the jade plant, and we poured some vinegar into the algae medium so that they would all be stressed.
		And the reason we did that is when you're stressed, you send out more of these little light.
		You know, when I said that everything sends out light, they're called in science biophoton emissions.
		And when things are stressed, they send out too much light.
		And so our intention was to actually lower this light slightly.
		And to the amazement of the physicists who were doing this, we had an effect on all four targets.
		So the question is now, okay, so what if there were 15 of us?
		Are we going to have a bigger effect if we've got 100,000 of us?
		You know, this is what we're going to test out.
		There seems to be some very, very, you know, interesting evidence.
		You probably have talked about that transcendental meditation, all those studies on your show where, you know, when you meditate, a certain percentage of meditators in any city meditate, the crime rate seems to go down.
		But that's people without sending a real intention.
		You know, they're just meditating.
		So what happens if we actually send the intention?
		That's what we want to find out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said you were going to create a little world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What actually is it?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		It'll be like a terrarium, in a sense.
		We'll create it with, you know, we'll create a great big terrarium with different plants there and maybe even little living things.
		But mainly we'll just have the plants, something that we can measure.
		And we'll have to have two of them.
		We're going to have to have a control one.
		And because, you know, with any good scientific study, you've got a control and you've got the experimental one.
		And so we're going to have all of our readers at the appointed time all over the world.
		And we're going to have clocks on our website so everybody knows what the right time is.
		It's 5 o'clock Greenwich Mean Time, which is, I guess, for that would be 9 o'clock in the morning in West Coast, U.S., and I think it's noontime on the East Coast.
		Everybody's going to send their intention all at the same time, and we'll let everybody know exactly the right words to think, because specificity is really important with intention.
		And we'll measure it then, and we'll just measure it to see what happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you going to differentiate between the control and the target?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, the control will be somewhere hidden away where people won't be able to see it.
		And the target will be on our website.
		So people will be able to see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so they'll actually, it'll be video and they can go to the video.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		It'll be on a webcam.
		Yeah, you'll be able to see it.
		And we'll do that all the time.
		I mean, if we have a child we're going to send an intention to, you'll see the picture of that child on it.
		We'll put it on real time on the webcam.
		So we'll actually see it.
		And there was one study I wanted to try to do that was really interesting that got carried out in Gary Schwartz's lab at University of Arizona.
		They had some healers, they took two leaves off the same plant and they measured them so that they were identical in every way, even their biophoton emissions.
		And they then measured, they then clipped the leaves, they stuck them in two pots of plant, you know, pots of dirt.
		And of course, this is a cut leaf, so it's going to die soon.
		And they found that the leaf, they had the control leaf, died in about two days.
		And they had healers send an healing intention to the other leaf, and the other leaf lived for 10 days.
		So that'd be interesting to try.
		One of the things like that, because we can actually see it.
		We'll show people the dead leaf, you know, or the life leaf, and just see how long we can keep this leaf alive.
		So those are some of the questions we're going to start asking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Suppose, let's suppose for a second, Lynn, that you find all of this is real, which is my expectation, that you will, that you'll verify everything you try, then what?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Then we start figuring out, okay, how do we use this?
		Because this is powerful.
		As I say, there are also, there's plenty of evidence about negative intention, some interesting evidence about whether or not to block it.
		So we have to ask, how do you use this as a force for good?
		This is why we're trying to do careful philanthropic targets.
		But let's say we find that with our little mini Gaia that it works.
		Then, okay, then maybe the next stage is to try a little place.
		But again, you've got to carefully control this.
		We could unleash a bomb here, you know?
		So we have to be very careful about this.
		But I think our intention here is really to learn, all of us to learn and then to say, okay, you know, how do we use this in our lives?
		If this is our new paradigm, if we realize that we are all connected and that we all have an effect all the time on each other, how can we have the best effect?
		How do we bring this into our lives?
		How do we think?
		We have to suddenly start thinking, well, actually, everything I'm thinking is affecting everybody around me.
		You know, imagine the thoughts swimming through your heads about your kids.
		You know, he's such a slob or he's pathetic at math.
		That becomes that kid's intention.
		You know, that becomes that child.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm beginning to believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so you have to start monitoring yourself a bit more and saying, okay, well, I've got to be careful on the positive side.
		Maybe you as a community can start using your intentions, getting together and start using some positive intentions.
		And instead of letting all this negative stuff wash all over you all the time that you read in the newspapers, maybe you can all just send some positive intentions to clean up your community, to lower your crime rate.
		So we're going to ask that too.
		We may try intentions to lower crime rate in some particular area.
		That would be a good one, too.
		So do what TM did, the TM people did, but actually send out an intention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How careful were those crime rate studies and how effective were they?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Okay, there have been some questions about it, about them.
		I mean, remember they were all published in peer-reviewed journals.
		That meant some group of people had to study these and they would have thrown them out if they were bad.
		So I think that they were reasonably good studies.
		There continue to be questions about the TM organization because of the cost of it, et cetera, et cetera.
		But I think they try to do, I think they're sincere in their belief and they're sincere in their attempt to quantify what's going on with meditation.
		So I think they certainly are an interesting marker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess what I'm asking is, what were the published results?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It seems like I remember something about Washington, D.C. or some city.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, there were studies.
		They showed that when you had, they looked at 48 cities around America, and they found as long as there was a certain percentage of the population meditating, that the crime rate would go down.
		They did other studies looking at the misery index, you know, that unemployment and things like that.
		And they found, again, with a certain percentage of meditators, the misery index went down.
		They also had advanced meditators actually send an intention to hotspots like Israel.
		And they found that at certain points when they were sending intentions with their meditation, that conflict dropped as well.
		So there's been enormous numbers of studies done by the TM group about this.
		But as I say, in the main, they were looking at just what happens when a certain percentage of the population is meditating regularly.
		These were people who were just meditating.
		They weren't sending a deliberate intention to change something.
		So my question is to take it one step further and say, okay, what goes on if we really send a deliberate intention to something and we're all thinking the same thought at the same time?
		Now, I mean, there have been some studies like that.
		Studies where they had random event generators going on all the time, like the Global Consciousness Project, where they were trying to measure when lots of people are thinking the same thought at the same time, does it have an effect on these random machines?
		And they found they did a whole bunch of studies on this showing that like when the O.J.H. Simpson trial, when every American was on the edge of his or her seat waiting to find out was OJ guilty or innocent in his murder trial, at just that point they found there was an enormous shift on the REG machines running.
		They had them running around the world.
		They had similar things when the Princess of Wales was killed.
		There was a big shift.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it was 9-11.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		9-11, the biggest shift of all.
		So these are, again, lots of people thinking the same thought, but not making an intention to change.
		And so my intention experiment is really to start looking at, you know, intention to change and what we can do with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, what blew me away about the 9-11 measurements at Princeton were that it occurred about 30 minutes before the actual event.
		And I've been running that through my head and running that through my head.
		I guess we all know the quantum world defies time as we understand it.
		How does that settle out with you, the fact that this great spike occurred just before, time-wise, 30 minutes before the actual event?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of evidence, Art, that we have an anticipatory effect here.
		When we're picking up news and bad news, we pick it up early.
		And they found that with a lot of studies.
		It's like you hear this signal early.
		There's no question that there's good evidence for precognition is what they call it.
		And certainly people were picking this up all over the place.
		I'm sure you heard about Rupert Sheldrake, who did a study, a British biologist, who did a questionnaire asking anyone to write him in who'd had a dream about 9-11 before it happened.
		And there were hundreds of people with unbelievably specific dreams about plane crashes into high-rise buildings the night before.
		And there were lots of things like that.
		Like a lot of people, there have been some studies showing that when there's a train crash, the numbers are down oftentimes because a lot of people have just had a bad feeling about that train and they've canceled their trip.
		Even the same thing happened with the Titanic.
		The numbers were actually down because of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Lynn, hold on.
		We're pressed by the clock here.
		We're going to open the phone lines when we come back, judging from the number ringing before we even open them.
		You have a lot of questions.
		So, Lynn McTaggart, and you next.
		Indeed, from the high desert.
		Folks, I'll tell you what.
		In the field of human study, this is by any measure the most interesting, interesting science going on right now.
		It simply washes away, as far as I'm concerned, virtually everything else.
		It just does not get any better than this.
		Lynn Taggart and you coming up next.
		Well, all right, Lynn, we're about to dive into the phones here, and believe me, they're all lit up like a Christmas tree.
		A lot of people want to talk to you.
		Your book is The Field, The Quest for the Secret Force of the Universe, and that's exactly what I think it is.
		Your book is...
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		The new book is The Intention Experiment.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Taking your thoughts to change your life and the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that is available.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		It's available as of today.
		It's just launched basically today, and it's available from Simon & Schuster.
		It's Amazon and all good bookshops or our website, which is theintentionexperiment.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, theintentionexperiment.com.
		Just watch it go.
		All right.
		Is there anything that we haven't covered before I get to phones that we should absolutely cover in this interview?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess that it's I really think that that we talked a lot about the past and the influence in the past.
		I think it's really important to understand that it's not like we can just, you know, we can just go back and change the past.
		But there's certainly evidence that those kinds of things that are, as scientists call them, labile, things that haven't been set in stone yet, we might well be able to influence.
		And I think that's pretty mind-boggling.
		The whole idea that there's time and space are all kind of one big ever-present here and now, maybe it means that we can send intentions to go back at the moment.
		Say we haven't really got cancer yet, but maybe we have a little niggling something, some bad cells or whatever.
		Maybe we can go back to the point where we had perhaps some conflict, some bad moments of our lives, and change our thoughts about that.
		And maybe that will then ripple through the timeline and affect the disease before it really takes hold.
		I think those are the kinds of things that are mind-warping for us with our ideas about separateness and our ideas of the old-fashioned ideas about the way the world works.
		I think we really have to get into thinking of our lives in a very, very different way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's just like doctors talking about preventative medicine, right?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		In a sense, but preventative mental medicine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, exactly.
		But I mean, the same concept.
		Catch it early and you've got a better chance.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		And maybe think nothing is completely set in stone, that things can, you know, that thoughts maybe can go back and maybe our future is constantly, as they've found, maybe our future is constantly affecting the present.
		Dean Raden did a very interesting mathematical analysis of those REG machines we were talking about earlier.
		And he wanted to know how do they work?
		You know, and he tried three different things.
		Do they work going forward, you know, as we would normally expect it?
		Do they work by getting information in the future precognitively?
		You know, in other words, getting information in the future?
		Or is it that the future affects them backward?
		And weirdly enough, the thing that mathematically worked the most and the best was the fact that the machines or our intentions were working back from the future to affect those machines.
		Now, go figure that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm having enough, struggling enough with the rest of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First-time caller line, you're on the air with Lynn.
unidentified		Hi.
		Oh, hi.
		Name's Lenny.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Hi, there.
unidentified		I got caught up.
		Hi, Lynn, and hi, Art.
		First-time caller.
		So let's see if I can make sense with this, to be clear.
		It's a hard subject.
		I believe that through the power of intention, we created this whole mess of humanity.
		At one time, we were all incredible superbeings and decided to experiment and see what it would be like to be the opposite of who we are, the exact opposite.
		In fact, there's a book called Busting Loose from the Money Game, and he used you, Lynn, in this book, I think.
		Hopefully you got some royalties on that.
		He mentioned your book, The Field, and how we can actually, through the power of intention, change the self, get ourselves back to where we originally were by not playing what he calls the human game, where we have used the power of intention to basically make us into weak, powerless beings almost.
		It's like you mentioned on the air yesterday with Dr. Lee, I forgot his last name.
		He said something about omnipresent, all the omnis, and that's who we are, made in the image and likeness of God or whatever you want to call it.
		And we wanted to experiment.
		Well, what would it be like to be like on a roller coaster ride?
		What would it be like to be in fear and totally experiment with that?
		And it seems like we pulled it off, and now I think humanity is starting to wake up and reversing it because we're tired of playing this crazy game.
		And I know I'm, let me give you a chance to answer something.
		Well, let's say the minute, this is just an offshoot, the minute that movie came out, The Inconvenient Truth, it seemed that's when the global warming really took off.
		That's when it really became apparent.
		Did you notice that?
		It seems like the intention of so many millions of people that saw that movie seemed to create an even more incredible, powerful mindset to bring on even more global warming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		I'm willing to entertain that notion that we are the causative factor in making whether it's global warming or the war in Iraq or anything else worse.
		If you're honest, you've got to entertain the notion.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		Well, I think that, you know, that definitely can be the case.
		You know, I think that a lot of minds training on something can then amplify it.
		I mean, we've certainly seen that with those REG machines.
		Remember what I was talking about with O.J. Simpson?
		You know, lots of people thinking the same thought at the same time or the, you know, 9-11 affected those machines, affected what may be the field or the group mind or something.
		And so this could be the case.
		Just attention on something can create a greater effect, which is why we have to be really careful with these intention experiments that we slowly measure it.
		But I think we have to really get behind the idea that we're not separate.
		That's our real problem.
		And that's really behind almost every problem we have, is the idea that we are separate.
		You think wars are created on people feeling they're separate.
		We're separate, therefore I'm better or I'm different from you.
		And so if we got the sense that we are all this one big collective and that we have this huge effect on this, every time we think some big mass thought, then we start really changing how we think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so here's the thing, though, Lynn.
		Lynn, suppose you prove all this.
		Suppose you get hardcore scientific evidence that we can and indeed are having this effect.
		At that point, you want to change the world for the better.
		But I don't know, even with hardcore scientific evidence, how do you change the nightly news?
		How do you change the way humans communicate with each other and make it more positive?
		You're talking about changing a world that's pretty set in its ways, Lynn.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		It is, but, you know, you could have argued that about 300 or 400 years ago, and you'd see that, you know, yeah, I mean, we are the same miserable creatures in a lot of ways than we were 400 years ago.
		But, you know, you change the paradigm, you start changing people and the way they think about each other.
		And if you say, if people really get and take on board that all this violence that they see every night, they are actually taking this into their bodies and it's making them ill, and that they're taking this, they're taking this as their life's intention, and it is affecting everything around them, that every thought they think affects everything around them.
		They realize that we will start realizing one thing.
		One, we have to start thinking a bit more positive thoughts because it's having a measurable effect.
		And two, that maybe all this negativity surrounding us is creating the reality.
		So, you know, we have to take this on board.
		First, we have to understand and believe it and prove it.
		And that's what I'm trying to do.
		And then it starts changing the way we work.
		And I think that if you've got overwhelming evidence of this, people start realizing, well, wow.
		Just as when Newton came up with his original ideas, he changed the face of the universe and he changed the way people conducted their lives because he produced science to prove this.
		And that's what I'm hoping to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope you can do it.
		And even in the face of overwhelming evidence, I'd be willing to bet it's going to be an uphill battle.
		Wildcard line, Ronnie in Pennsylvania, you're on with Lynn McTaggart.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Hi, Lynn.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		It's a pleasure to be on your show.
		I'm a longtime listener.
		I'm a holistic healing nurse, and I have a green aura.
		I also have a degree in biology, and I've been working on similar subjects that you are doing now.
		I have some experiments that I'm doing, and I will publish pretty soon.
		Back in the 50s, I have been working on this now since the 70s.
		And to tell you how negative vibes do work, I had a professor that annoyed me back in the 70s.
		And my foster daughter and I were both at the same college, and I said to him, oh, just go break a leg, will you?
		Get away from me.
		The very next day, he had a broken leg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, there you go.
		It's very similar to what you said, and I've had a lot of fast blasts.
		One young lady, okay, let me read it to you.
		Donna in Laguna Beach said, this summer, I gave a former lover another chance to make good, that was in quotes, for involving me in a love triangle.
		He reverted right back to his old deceptive ways again, ignoring my rage in capital letters.
		This time, within two weeks, he suffered a mini stroke.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, this is, you know, this is, we can't prove this.
		You know, we don't have any proof of this, but we certainly have, just as I was talking about having those bad thoughts about my cleaner and having her fall off the bus and break her leg, you have to wonder whether or not you are having this kind of effect.
		I don't know about anybody out there, but I'm a terrible gremlin when it comes to computers.
		When I'm in a bad mood, I break every piece of equipment in my office.
		I seem to have this very intense force field, and I've just, I freeze photocopiers, all of that.
		And there have been evidence of, you know, Pauli, the great scientist, was like that.
		He even set things alight.
		And there's been some evidence there that we're having effect on even inanimate objects all the time.
		So it must be the case that we're also affecting people with our negative thoughts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'll be my bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, Diana from California, you're on with Lynn.
unidentified		Hello.
		I am so happy to be on with both Art and Lynn.
		Oh, my gosh.
		So excited.
		Lynn, I read your book, The Field.
		Excellent book.
		Excellent.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And I was kind of laughing about you saying that reality not set in stone.
		That's pretty much what I would tell my now ex-husband when he couldn't find his keys.
		And he tried to tell me, you know I used them to open the door.
		And I'm going, no, no, I don't.
		And you can't tell me I do because, you know, you can't change reality now because it's already set.
		But a friend of mine does actually work weather, and she also affects machinery.
		In fact, lately, when she goes into the bank or the post office or the DMV lately, the machine in front of the people that she goes up to, it goes blank, and she's like, hope they don't notice it's me.
		And she really works the weather, too.
		I don't know if you know about two years ago in Indiana where they weren't going to have any snow for Christmas, and then they ended up with the biggest blizzard they'd had in recorded history.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		I mean, it's quite amazing.
		It stands to reason that if people can, if they show in the laboratory that people can affect bacteria or they can affect, you know, a plant or whatever, that why not affect the weather?
		You know, it needs a study.
		Well, of course, there's been this one little study that Roger Nelson did showing around Princeton, there was always sun around graduation day.
		And he actually did a study comparing the weather in Princeton with surrounding areas on graduation.
		And he felt it was just the good wishes of everybody hoping for a really nice day around graduation that did it.
		And there certainly was almost like a mental umbrella that covered Princeton at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how safe would it be if humanity really does discover that even singular intention, a single person, can affect the weather?
		As an example, it's already chaotic enough, Lynn.
		Maybe this power should not be in the hands of individuals.
		That's a little worrisome if indeed individuals have as much power as a million people, which, by the way, I doubt.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, this is the thing, Art.
		Probably we already have this power, and we're all already using it to a terrible effect.
		Look what we're doing with the world.
		Nobody could say that we're doing a very good job here.
		I know.
		And so maybe the idea is just to get people more aware of it.
		So in the main, people are good, in the main.
		And if people understand what they're doing a bit more and maybe monitor it a bit more, maybe we'll have a better effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, David, in Wisconsin, you're on with Lynn.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		First, you, I missed the show recently.
		I wasn't sure what happened.
		You and Aaron moved back to America.
		I assume if that's the case.
		Welcome back.
		Thank you.
		Other than that, my name is David, Minnesota, Wisconsin area of America.
		Within the last year, I've read a couple books, a couple authors, Deepak Chopra, Eckhart Toll, and I've become what you would call awakened or enlightened spiritually.
		Well, I've let go of the illusion of time.
		Now is the only moment.
		The past, anything you did in the past, it wasn't the past.
		It was now.
		Anything that you're going to do in the future, it's not the future, it's now.
		The past is only a thought or a memory, and the future is only an anticipation.
		I wanted to get her thoughts on that.
		I know that we are all beings of pure light and that we all do emanate this field of intentions that creates humanity and the way that humanity is and our daily lives and everything like that.
		And like I said, I usually meditate myself a few hours each day, and the sky is bluer, the grass is greener, trees are just beautiful, and I can't explain it, but I know what I've experienced.
		And so I wanted to get her thoughts on what I am doing, what I've been focusing on is sending my energy to all of humanity to sort of bring about a global conscious awakening, which I feel is inevitable.
		I wanted to see if Lynn was at all spiritual.
		I know she's a scientific writer, but is she at all spiritual?
		Does she meditate at all?
		Or what are her thoughts about a global conscious awakening and conscious in general?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, David, pause and let's see what she has to say.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Okay, there is no doubt that this work has completely changed my life.
		I mean, when I started researching the field, which was many years ago, I didn't know what I was going to find.
		And what I did find changed my, completely propelled me in a new direction.
		And it had to have had a spiritual effect on me.
		It had a deeply, I think I was always a seeker and a spiritual person, but it gave me a framework that sat very easily with me in terms of spirituality.
		And yes, I meditate, and I am now, what I say, a lot of people look to me now as some sort of spiritual leader, and I remind them that I am just the communicator.
		I'm just trying to get this information and synthesize it for people, but I'm learning with them.
		I mean, if we're going to paradigm shift, we're all stuck in our old views of being separate, our Newtonian views of separateness.
		And so this is a pretty profound change we all have to go through.
		And so I'm learning with everybody else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to be very careful, Lynn, or you're going to be the leader of a new religion.
		All right, hold tight.
		We're here at the bottom of the hour.
		Lynn McTaggart is my guest.
		You might want to check out her website, TheIntentionExperiment.com from the high desert, the great American Southwest.
		Yes, back in the good old USA.
		I'm Mark Bell, and we will be right back.
		Yes, here I am.
		I believe that Lynn McDaggard or somebody else is going to get absolute concrete evidence that all of this is absolutely real.
		I believe that in my heart, in my head, I just absolutely believe it from the experiments I ran to what I've read to all the guests I've talked to, including Lynn.
		And so all of this is real.
		But when we finally get the concrete evidence of it, trying to get the world to accept it and change the way the world, meaning all the people in it, operate in order to make a better world.
		Now, that's going to be a trick.
		In a moment, Lynn will be right back with all of you.
		All right.
		Once again, here comes Lynn, and here comes a caller for you, Lynn.
		Doug, in Davenport, Iowa, you're on with Lynn McTaggart.
unidentified		Hi, Lynn.
		I tell you what, I've been listening to you for nine years, and I've never gotten in before, and boy, if there was one night I'd like to, this would be it.
		Oh, here you are.
		Great.
		Well, Lynn, my question for you is: have you ever heard of, are you familiar with, what's referred to as the direct C, the negative energy seed?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, mm-hmm.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		That's it's another word for the zero-point field.
unidentified		Yeah, and that's what I was wondering about because that really, from what I understand of it, would very easily provide a mechanism that would account for all of the qualities you refer to.
		I read the book, The Field, and it was absolutely fascinating.
		But the Direct C, as I understand it, came from Paul Dirich's original formalization of the electron equation, but that was later changed.
		In the original formalization, it included both positive energy positrons and electrons and negative energy positrons and electrons.
		But basically, the physics community of the time didn't like the implications of that because what they found is just like in an electron orbital, all the lowest energy states have to be filled before you can have higher energy states.
		Well, in order for us to have electrons in our universe, because everything we have is positive energy electrons and positrons, all the lower, essentially what you'd have to have is an infinite sea of negative energy positrons and electrons, and all of those states would have to be filled.
		So basically, our universe essentially floats on this sea of negative energy.
		And what ends up happening with that is you end up with what's called a Bose-Einstein condensate.
		And what that basically amounts to is you end up with all of these essentially infinite number of particles that are all described by a single wave function.
		In other words, you get a single entity.
		And anything that happens, anytime anything drops into that entity, it's essentially spread throughout the entire universe simultaneously, everywhere throughout all space and time.
		And what I'm wondering is if you know anything about, if you've looked into that in terms of how that might account for the various effects that you've seen and that have been seen from all these experiments.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, actually, I do cover it in my book because it's funny that you mention it because what a lot of scientists have discovered, like Fritz Albert Popp, is that this thing you're talking about, this Bosey-Eisene condensate, which is another word for coherence, you think of it like a light bulb.
		Normally a light bulb sends out constructive and destructive waves, and they cancel each other out.
		And so you only get with a 60-watt light bulb, just a little bit of light.
		But if that was a Bosey-Eisen-Einstein condensate, you would have light that was hundreds of thousands of times brighter than the surface of the sun.
		I mean, it's that powerful.
		And they're finding that this kind of very coherent light is coming out of living things, like human beings.
		So just as you say, the view is that this is what is caused by, this is what a thought is.
		It's a very organized bit of light that's sent out by humans and can affect all time and space.
		And so if we are sending out this very coherent light, then we have an amazing effect everywhere, all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller line, Donna in Washington.
		Your turn with Lynn.
unidentified		Oh, thank you, Art.
		I'm really happy to talk to both you and Lynn.
		Thanks for taking my call.
		I want to just kind of talk to Lynn like we're sisters at the kitchen table because I have a big emotional question.
		I have two kids, and they were raised in a very intentional home, very loving home.
		Both my kids are Reiki practitioners.
		My 14-year-old son was actually a Reiki master, as is my husband, and very intentional, loving family.
		Maybe not the most red collar that you're talking to tonight, but I would think the most intentional color that you're talking to tonight, one of them.
		And my 14-year-old son died of leukemia in May.
		Now, I know a lot of healers, a lot of prayer warriors, including my 14-year-old son, who was the best healer I know.
		And I wonder how this, how a person reconciles that kind of implication.
		Do you see that there's something greater than the individual's power of intention?
		Is there a guilt associated for you personally if something doesn't go the way that your powerful intention directs it?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I mean, one thing we have to remember is get behind this idea.
		First of all, I'm really sorry to hear about your son.
		That is really painful.
		And it's also the first thing to say is it was not his fault.
		You know, it wasn't that he was thinking the wrong thoughts or anything like that.
		But I think the thing that we really have to get behind is the idea that we are not individuals with this absolute mastery.
		And this is why it takes so much more study and understanding to get our heads around it.
		If we are all one, then there's lots of things impacting on us all the time, you know, and that there is something greater.
		There is a greater, you know, call it the field, call it grace, call it God, whatever you want to call it, is the ultimate energy field that we are swimming as part of, and that we are not an individual with an absolute power that's going to affect everything all the time, and that our say doesn't always hold sway.
		So we have to look at it in light of that greater whole all the time.
		And also, if I were going to put my what doctors don't tell you hat on for a while, I would say, well, okay, with kids with leukemia, there are a lot of environmental effects that we're all buried under now, you know, whether it's electromagnetics, you know, cell phones, all those sorts of things are just, we're swimming in, you know, all sorts of toxic things.
		And so all of these things also have an effect, a physical effect on us.
		So it's not just that, you know, it's not that your son was thinking the wrong thoughts or that you could have saved him.
		There may also be a bigger plan for him in this greater universe.
		And that I say one other thing that is really important that's just a tangential element, but is very much the case in the field and evidence that I've found is there's very strong evidence that consciousness is something outside of the confines of our bodies.
		It's not locked up in our brains, and it also doesn't die.
		I mean, you see that with so many studies, good studies of near-death experiences.
		You find that people who were, you know, these were people with their computer unplugged, so to speak, and they had complete awareness of everything going on in the world.
		So your son has just moved to someplace else, but I don't believe consciousness dies.
		There's too much evidence otherwise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Wildcard line, Tonya in Ohio.
		You're on the air with Lynn.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Lynn and Art.
		I've been very much enjoying listening to you.
		And what I wanted to ask about was earlier in the show, Art made a comment about the polar bears dying left and right.
		And you may be familiar with what George Norrie accomplished with everyone who was listening to him healing Barbaro, the racehorse.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I dramatically impressed that.
		I do that too.
		Interesting.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, George Norrie mentions it from time to time because one night when it looked like the horse was going to be put down, he asked that everyone give their intention that the best outcome happened.
		And it did because he dramatically improved overnight.
		And so concerning the polar bears, I feel very close to animals.
		And sometimes it almost makes me cry to hear about what they're going through.
		I've heard that they've resorted to cannibalism because of the conditions.
		And what I wanted to ask was that everyone just has the pure intention right now to help in some miraculous way to help save these beautiful, noble, loving animals in some way, just to help save them from the suffering they're going through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, ma'am.
		Well, here's the thing.
		The polar bears are dying because they don't have ice to climb on to.
		That's their normal habitat.
		Their normal habitat is going away because of global warming.
		There's no doubt about it.
		I mean, the North Pole is virtually melting.
		And so the problem, it's a symptom of the big problem, which is we've got a melting ice cap.
		Now, if we're going to direct intent, I suppose it would have to be toward that.
		But I'm not going to instruct people.
		That's my problem, Lynn.
		I understand this works, and I don't want to toy with it until I do understand it.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I think that's what we're trying to do with the intention experiment, is to push, as I say, to find out about it.
		We all need to learn here.
		There's so much to learn, and it can be scary in the wrong hands.
		So as you say, it's probably not a good idea to just send our ideas willy-nilly out there on the planet.
		But we can start in small ways, personally.
		And that's why, you know, I have a program to try to, I've tried to find from the science, what are the ways that make intention work best so I can help people try it in their lives.
		I mean, one of the things I suggest for people to do is to try little experiments.
		For instance, if your husband never brings you flowers, never brings you flowers, then start sending an intention to do that.
		I had a reader who actually did that.
		She was at a workshop with me, and her husband never brought her flowers.
		She sent an intention.
		She got home, opened up the door, and there was a big bouquet of flowers for you, he was holding as he opened the door.
		So try those little things.
		Your kids never make their bed.
		You know, start sending intentions.
		See what happens on that little front.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Instead of yelling.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Instead of yelling.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Send an intention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, first time caller line, Seth in Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on with Lynn McTaggart.
unidentified		Art and Lynn, it's a pleasure to speak with you both.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		My name is Seth Nway.
		And what interests me is the notion that this kind of thing is possible.
		Of course, this is intriguing to many of us who want to affect our world for the better.
		But my question is this.
		If this is possible, and indeed it is based on the evidence that has been researched and evidenced, is God the one who is the usurper of all these powers?
		And of course, in my view, he is, you know, the one who created all things.
		Are we those who should use this kind of power, or should we completely rely on him for those things that change our world and indeed ourselves?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that's a hot potato, all right.
		Lynn?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I think that there is, I think I have a way to walk between this art, which is every single intention master I talk to put out an intention.
		And these are some of them very deeply spiritual and religious people.
		They put out their intention.
		They believed that was an important thing to do.
		But they also then surrendered to the higher force.
		You move out Of the way.
		You get your ego out of the way.
		And that was, you kind of, in a sense, move aside, as I call it.
		And that means that maybe the propeller of this is the greater force.
		But that I suppose we were given this intention in order to use it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		I suppose if it were not for us to use, we would not be able to.
		Wildcard line, Eddie in Dallas, Texas.
		You're on the air with Lynn.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		Hello, Lynn.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Art, I know you won't do this, so I am directing this to Lynn.
		Okay.
		But I would like to volunteer to be a human target to make me stop smoking with no withdrawals.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		That's fabulous.
		If you'd like to log on and just log on to our website, theintentionexperiment.com, and just contact us and let us know that.
		We'll put you onto one of our experiments.
		We'll see if we can do that.
		And of course, our community, we've got a community, too, that's growing and has groups, and we could try that in a small way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, there you go.
		If I was going to do it, I would have aimed the power at myself because that is my current struggle.
		Anthony in Joplin, Missouri.
		You're on with Lynn McTaggart.
unidentified		Yes, ours.
		Complete honor to speak with you.
		We were in a physiological psychology class I had in college, which is like an overview of the brain and the nervous system.
		The instructor were talking about either the amygdala or glucocorticoids, and he brought up that there was a part of the brain that I don't recall what it is, and I'm hoping Lynn knows that he claimed that scientists were working on figuring out how to turn it on because it could cure our bodies of anything.
		But like I said, I don't remember what he was talking about.
		And I also want to know if she felt like with the conflicting religions, if that was like incompatible computer programs, which is bound to create conflict and all of us off the air.
		Thank you.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you for that interesting doubled question.
		Yes, on the prayer studies, I think one of the problems were that there was an incompatibility between the belief of the recipients and the prayers.
		I mean, in one study, they used people from religions all around the world, and then they used people who were part of the Bible Belt as the recipients.
		And I think that probably there has to be this compatibility between the religions.
		In terms of the brain, I have no idea what he was talking about.
		If we can turn this on, it's going to cure everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he was asking about a specific part, part of the brain.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what he was talking about, but I do know that there's a lot of study showing, some of the studies recounted in the intention experiment, show that this amygdala, which is kind of like the emotional center of the body, is there's a,
		they find that things like meditation, so powering up, this centering thing that we use for intention, actually enlarges the structure of the brain and allows a greater connection between the intuitive part of the brain, the gut hunch part, and the cognitive part, the forebrain, you know, the part that is all the sort of seed of reasoning.
		So what we're talking about is that intention and using intention actually changes the structure of your brain and turns you basically into a bigger and better radio.
		You know, you're a better transmitter and receiver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, I'm all for that.
		Listen, we're coming toward the end of our time, Lynn.
		We're almost out of time.
		And is there a way on the website, I've got a full board of people who still want to talk to you here.
		Is there a way that people can connect with you, email, whatever?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		If you go to our website, both of our websites, either theintentionexperiment.com is our best one, or livingthefield.com, you can contact us.
		You can put down your intention diaries, what's happening with you using intention.
		You can be part of our community, which is people talking to each other and telling them about their experiences, part of our groups.
		You can let us know what you want to do.
		You can log in and register in order to be part of the experiment.
		We've got 75 days, 7 hours, and 3 minutes and 36 seconds to our next experiment.
		So you can just log on and you can get our information.
		You'll be getting constant information about what's going on with our experiments.
		So please contact us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You have been a fabulous guest on a fabulous topic.
		Lynn, thank you for being here, and you have a wonderful night.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		You too, Art.
		It's been a real pleasure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Take care, everybody.
		That's it from the high desert.
		The voice you hear is that of Crystal Gale.
		And I guess I'll see you next weekend.

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