Whitley Strieber recounts his 1985 UFO abduction and 1999 visit by a hyper-intelligent entity, linking encounters to cosmic anomalies like a 41,000-year-old supernova’s radiation legacy and sudden Clovis culture collapse. He warns of extreme climate chaos—2006’s Buffalo snowfall record (27 inches), Phoenix’s 143-day drought, and Europe’s 20,000 heatwave deaths—citing solar flares, shifting magnetic poles, and unexplained Pacific Northwest geothermal activity. Strieber suggests ancient civilizations predicted these cycles via structures like Baalbek and Mayan calendars, while Bell speculates on Area 51’s vanished caller and 2007’s looming "proof" of UFOs or USOs amid global instability. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be, continent to continent, across the oceans, all around the world.
This program, Coast to Coast AM, covers every bit of the territory around the world, one way or the other.
Good evening.
I'm Art Bell, filling in for George Norrie, taking a well-deserved night off.
And let me give you fair warning ahead of time.
We're going to do something a little bit special tonight.
And what I'm going to do is hold it until the second half hour so that those of you who would like to record it, actually, it's only a piece of it.
It kind of went on and on.
It is, and we have never replayed this to the best of my knowledge, it is the infamous, if you will, a story of a man who flew over Area 51.
And I believe, I think this occurred back in 1997.
Now, that's just my best guess, but I think it was 97.
And you've just never heard anything like it in your life.
It's about almost 12, I guess almost 12 minutes long.
And I know a lot of people have been wanting to record this or get a copy of it one way or the other.
So the network was kind enough after somebody requested.
This is by request.
Somebody called the show last week and requested that we dig it up and play it.
And so we shall.
We'll make it in the second half hour here.
Let's take a brief look at the depressing world news.
President Bush talks about Iraq war plan in Saddam.
President Bush said Thursday he wished the execution of Saddam Hussein had gone in a more dignified way.
President Bush also said he'll make a speech next week announcing his long-awaited decisions about how to proceed in the unpopular war in Iraq.
Considering more troops to deal with the rising violence in Baghdad, Bush said one thing for absolute certain, didn't say absolute for certain, he said, I'll want to make sure the mission is clear and specific and can be accomplished.
Something we should have done before we went in, right?
Senior generals have cautioned against sending additional troops unless their role is well defined.
Well, it's happened.
In a day of ceremony and historic change, Representative Nancy Pelosi became the nation's first female House Speaker on Thursday, as Democrats eagerly took control of Congress for the final two years of the president's term, probably making life rather miserable for the president.
Democrats are back, said Pelosi, and she immediately set the rank and file to work passing tougher ethics rules.
Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman on Thursday dismissed the chief of the country's nuclear weapons program because of security breakdowns at the Los Alamos, New Mexico lab and other facilities.
The number of death sentences handed out in the U.S. dropped in 2006 to the lowest level since capital punishment, actually, was reinstated 30 years ago.
Wow.
Reflecting what some experts say is a growing fear that the criminal justice system will make a tragic and irreversible mistake.
Executions fell two to the fewest in a decade.
President Bush has chosen a 25-year Intel veteran, Vice Admiral Mike McConnell, to be our nation's second national intelligence director as he reshapes national security strategy with two years left in his presidency.
In a case fraught with ethical questions, this story is really weird.
The parents of a severely mentally and physically disabled child have stunted her growth to keep their little pillow angel a manageable and more portable size.
The bedridden nine-year-old girl had her uterus and breast tissues removed at a Seattle hospital and received large doses of hormones to halt her growth.
She is now 4'5 ⁇ .
Her parents say she would otherwise probably reach a normal 5'6 or so.
J-Lo honored by People Espanol, and she deserves it.
I really like Jennifer Lopez.
I always have.
She's among entertainers selected by People Espanol for its 100 most influential Hispanics issue, which honors those who have made an impact in the Hispanic community.
Lopez, who graces the cover of the magazine's February issue on Newsstands Friday, says, quote, being an example to others is a big part of my work.
And I must say, she really is something.
I've seen a number of her movies lately.
And she's just a joy.
Just an absolute joy.
All right, listen, the webcam shot tonight is of Ms. Aaron Bell.
Mrs. Aaron Bell, actually.
Right here, taken a few hours earlier.
And you'll notice she has a pillow covering her somewhat protruding stomach.
Actually, she's not showing that much yet, but you can indeed begin to see it.
So in a moment, oh, in the next hour, Whitley Streeber is going to be here, and he's going to be talking about what Whitley and I have always talked about, and that is the weather.
In a moment, we'll look at a little of the rest of the news, as Paul would say.
Dateline, Chicago.
I love this.
Federal officials say it was probably just some weird weather phenomenon.
But a group of United Airlines employees swear they saw a mysterious saucer-shaped craft hovering over O'Hare Airport last fall.
We're just hearing about this now.
The workers, some of them pilots, so they'd know what they're seeing, right?
Said the object didn't have lights and it hovered over an airport terminal before shooting up through the clouds, according to a report in Monday's Chicago Tribune.
The Federal Aviation Administration acknowledged a United supervisor, in fact, had called the control tower at O'Hare, asking, had anyone spotted a spinning disc-shaped object?
But the controllers didn't see anything.
And a preliminary check of radar found nothing out of the ordinary.
Quote, our theory on this is it was a weather phenomenon, said Corey.
He's a FAA spokeswoman, actually, Elizabeth Corey.
The night was a perfect atmospheric condition in terms of low cloud ceiling and lots of airport lights.
When lights shine up into the clouds, why sometimes you can see funny things, said she.
The FAA shall not investigate, said she.
United spokeswoman Megan McCarthy said company officials don't recall discussing any such incident from November 7th.
There's a lot of non-recollection there, isn't there?
In the months of October, November, and December of 77 and during the first half of 1978, the Brazilian state of Para, is it Para, has been invaded, I would think Para has been invaded by UFOs.
And it was not simply sightings.
Nothing to do with mysterious lights wandering at high altitudes, more about bright objects in several shapes and sizes flying over the Bay region at low altitude, just in fact, meters above the trees and firing strong beams of lights at people.
The people harmed by the phenomena, one of the most important ones of the world's ufology studies and still, in fact, being researched nowadays, gave several names to the silent bright objects.
Vampire Light, Bug, the Thing, and mainly Chupa Chuba, the sucker.
I guess from Chupacabra, right?
They said the object pilots were beings with a height of 1.2 or 1.3 meters.
That's small.
The people called it Chupa Chupa because of the weird scars the victims bore on their bodies, the light beam used to leave the tiny holes on the skin.
Among women, the scars were on their breasts.
They seemed to lose blood during the attack.
Men and women complained of giddiness, body numbing, and headache after the attacks.
The inhabitants of the cities of Colaris, San Antonio, and others panicked on these days of bitter remembrance.
The panic took over even the state's capital with a sequence of strange light reports and chupa chupa attacks in several quarters of the city, astonishing the local authorities.
Chupa Chupa, that's interesting.
In the end of the 70s, scientists from all over the world came to Brazil where they failed to explain anything.
27 years later, documents from the Brazilian Air Force's Secret Service are now revealing these lights from space were something much more unsettling than we can imagine.
The explanation of the phenomena is there is none.
It is still a big mystery, a huge challenge to the science and the Air Force.
Experts, ufologists, scientists, and researchers from Brazilian universities are collecting signatures.
In fact, a petition that will be delivered to the Brazilian president.
It requires the Air Force to reveal conclusions of the investigation of the Chupa Chupa case.
Well, I'm sure there'll be great difficulty in recollection, but we'll see.
At first, it simply looked like an ugly oil slick.
But as the crew of the yacht Macon sailed closer to a brown patch on the ocean near Tonga out in the Pacific, they suddenly realized they were observing something far rarer and more beautiful.
What looked like a brown stain on the Pacific turned out in fact to be a spectacular drift of floating pumice stones stretching more than in fact 16 kilometers wow, and an indication an island was being born right before their eyes.
After navigating a course toward steam clouds on the horizon, can you imagine being on this boat?
The crew of the yacht was treated to the sight of lava spewing up from the ocean to create new land where previously there had been none.
One of the very few people to witness firsthand volcanic activity creating an island, crew member Frederick Fransen last week, told of his experience during a stopover in Brisbane.
His account has volcanologists vibrating.
Franson, a Swede, who lives in the U.S., was traveling from San Francisco to Australia in August when the Macon chanced upon the floating pumice, which was later photographed by NASA with a satellite.
The pumice initially appeared to be an oil spill, but as the yacht drew closer, it proved to be thick.
In fact, about 18 kilometers across.
The sight was unbelievable, he said.
It looked like rolling sand dunes as far as the eye could see.
So I guess in a way, you're seeing God in the creative mode.
This is the stuff of science fiction.
But a respected American surgeon says that within five years, are you ready for this?
Within five years, he's going to be able to graft wings and, if you wish it, a tail onto human beings.
Johan Hari on the bizarre world of radical plastic surgery.
Dr. Joe Rosen is not a quack.
He works at the acclaimed Dartmouth Medical Center, and he has a scientific, he's been a scientific advisor to NASA, so you know he's right on up there.
He's fond of making statements like this.
Human wings will be here.
Mark my words.
He believes, in all seriousness, that within five years, he's going to be able to graft wings onto a human being's body.
This is possible because our brains adapt to create neural maps for new body parts.
When we have a limb amputated, our neural map of that limb gradually fades away, and if we gain a body part, our neural map expands accordingly.
If I were to give you wings, you would develop literally a winged brain.
Our bodies change our brains, and our brains are infinitely moldable, said Rosen.
Surgical techniques already exist, which can be used to stretch torso fat and rejig rib bones to create a wing.
Though no human would be able to fly, he thinks, they would resemble angels and have full sensations in their new hanging bone flaps of flesh.
Rosen has designed blueprints.
This is the new world of radical plastic surgery where Rosen is Moses.
He would not be content to settle merely for wings either.
He's got his mind set on cochlear implants to enhance human hearing.
We're already doing that, right?
Raising as it does the prospect of superhuman soldiers and even humans with tails.
I wonder what would we use a tail for anyway?
However, I'm kind of interested, always have been in wings.
Now, why he doesn't necessarily think we could fly, perhaps with a little training, well, you never know.
If our brains really adapt to the wings, and the wings develop, and they're big enough and develop sufficient muscular ability, why we might be able to fly.
Now, if you were promised the ultimate ability, if you really worked out a lot or how whatever you do when you get wings, would you take wings?
I might do it.
I think we could squeeze a call or so in here.
Remember, coming up after the bottom of the hour, we're going to replay the infamous Area 51 pilot, the guy who flew into Area 51.
Well, what the Congress passes, the President can pass on.
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Yeah, but he met with Devente Fox and then President Devente Fox and the Canadian Prime Minister in Mexico back in March and signed what was the early steps is the Security Prosperation and Protection Act.
Yeah, I think that's the Minutemen would be a well-organized force already to prevent anything like that from happening i don't have a clue why we don't protect our borders i don't have a clue because that's one of the goals of because that will be one of the that's what keep the borders open like it is will help speed forward that north american union huh especially that super highway they're
I've got to scoot, but I certainly agree with you.
Coming up after the break, shortly after the break, after the bottom of the hour, we're going to play back the famous, the infamous guy who flew into Area 51.
if you want to hear what happened to him you never did hear it keep your radio exactly where it is right now i'm art bell last fact from the high desert that's where we are i keep getting these notes from people saying where's your webcam well it does move around a little bit right now if you go to coasttocoastam.com and you look at the middle of the page and scroll down just a little bit you'll see where it says arts webcam click here not too hard once again middle of the page just go
where it says Arts Webcam and click there.
And there's a photograph of Aaron taking, oh, I don't know, a couple hours ago.
Now, in a moment, and actually I want to hear it again myself.
We had a time on this show back, I think, in 97 when a guy phoned me up in an airplane getting ready to fly right into Area 51.
And if I recall correctly, and I think I do, I really tried to talk him out of it.
But it's been a long time, and I'd kind of like to hear it myself.
So hopefully you have prepared your tape recorders, recording equipment, whatever, because this really is a very rare clip.
Coming up in a moment, the man who took on Area 51.
All right, I'm still getting notes saying the webcam isn't there.
Yes, it is.
Now, what may be happening is that your system is using cache.
In other words, your own computer stores some cache, and you've got to get rid of that.
You go in, and there's a way to go in, depending on what browser you're using, and eliminate the cache.
Then it will be forced to reload the new information.
That's the only reason I can imagine you would not be finding it.
All right, what you are about to hear is classic coast-to-coast AM, to be sure.
It's a long time ago, I think 1997.
The first thing you're going to hear is this man, his girlfriend, sent me a fax.
That was back in the day when I took faxes directly.
And apparently, she was urging me to clear out a line so that I could get his call.
Now, I remember the girlfriend.
In fact, after the whole thing, we got other faxes from the girlfriend because, well, I don't want to give away what's going to happen.
Let's go ahead and play the clip and roll your recorders right now.
Network, roll it.
I want to read you a fax that I've got here.
And I would like everybody to not call my wild card line.
Please, if you're calling the wild card line, hang up.
And I'm going to tell you why.
Here's what I've got.
Art, answer the wild card line.
My boyfriend is in a small plane north of Las Vegas and is ready to fly into Area 51.
He has been trying to call you by cell phone.
Now, it's signed by a name, and I'm not going to give that name, so I will know when the person, the right person, calls me on the phone.
But whether or not you're able to get through to me, I would like to tell you that two things may occur if you try to fly into Area 51.
One, you will be forced down and interrogated and probably arrested as the least case.
Or worst case, you will be shot down.
And so I'm telling you, you should not do this.
But if you're already in the air and you really want to call in, you go ahead and call me now on the wild card line.
And if you verify the person who signed their name here at the bottom, I will verify you as the person who sent the fax or the name.
the boyfriend of that person and i will put you on the air uh.
Again, let me tell you, Art, answer the wildcard line.
My boyfriend is in a small plane north of Las Vegas, ready to fly into Area 51.
Don't you think that we have a right to national security secrets?
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I think we have, not really, because you know they have these K-11 and K-15 satellites up there, and the Ruskis, they know what we're doing, and the Chinese, they've got satellites down here.
They know what's going on.
The only thing that don't know what's going on is the common folks like me and you.
And us common folks got a right to know because we're funding all this.
And I set it by Fox News, and the O'Reilly report was on.
And he's got a little section on his thing where he takes, like, you know, wacko stories, crazy stories.
And he says, he said, by the way, he says, as to those lights in the sky, he said, supposedly they saw lights over Chicago.
And he said, I don't think any flying sources could land there because they have trouble landing planes there.
And he said, also, there are lights over Colorado and Nevada, which the news said today, all these lights are a Russian spaceship that broke up and no debris hit the ground except for a single junk in Nevada.
So he lumped the two together.
You know what I mean?
Yes.
It's just really, I mean, they try and try and try to just get the general public to get, you know, it's funny.
On one hand, they let all this stuff on the History Channel and stuff if they're controlling the media saying that, you know, all these things about the Roswell that's in Canada and the Roswell in Mexico and the Roswell in England and all this different stuff about flying sauces.
And that's on the media.
But when it comes to a legitimate report where hundreds of people actually saw these lights over Chicago, it's played off like a little, you know.
And everybody begins to have severe memory problems.
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Yeah, I got a feeling.
I didn't get in on your lines to, you know, make predictions because it didn't come to me psychically or anything.
But I have a really strong feeling that in 2007, sometime this year, we're going to get definitive proof, not definitive proof, I would say irrefutable proof of either a UFO or a USO, you know, an undersea one.
That's going to be seen by a cruise ship or it's going to be something flying so low that there'll be such a mass sighting, like they had in Mexico, that kind of a thing.
Yeah, United Airline pilots pilots, mind you, swear they saw a mysterious, quoting here, saucer-shaped craft hovering over O'Hare.
But everybody else, well, everybody else has memory problems.
They don't recollect anything about that.
They didn't see anything like that.
Oh, please.
Coming up in a moment, my co-author and very good friend, Whitley Streeber.
I'm Art Bell from the High Desert, the great American Southwest in the Darkness.
How you doing, everybody?
I am Art Bell.
Coming up, Whitley Streeber.
He's the author of many best-selling novels and works of nonfiction and four movies that have been made from his books.
Most recently, the 2004 mega hit The Day After Tomorrow, based on the novel Superstorm, written by Whitley and some radio host.
Among his best-known novels are The Wolfen and The Hunger, which were both made into films, and of course the mega bestseller about his own close encounters, Communion.
His most recent book, The Grays, is a thriller about what happens when aliens land.
It is now being made into a film by Sony Pictures.
Did you know that?
In 1999, he co-produced with Mark Wolper a special for MDC based on his book Confirmation.
At present, he and Mark are both producing a remake of Wolfen for A ⁇ E. His website, unknowncountry.com, is the most popular edge science website in the world.
His weekly internet radio program, Dreamland, is among the most popular of all internet broadcasts.
That's fact.
Dreamland.
So happy to see it continue.
What a program.
Coming up in just a moment, Whitley Strieber.
Well, all right, as promised, here is Whitley Striber.
I haven't had, I don't think I've had a close encounter in quite a long time.
You know, when I left New York State in 1997, the experience sort of followed me, but then it didn't.
There was not much after that.
There was a close encounter of some sort.
I've never known whether exactly what it was happening in June of 1999, and I wrote a little book about it called The Key, but it was with a person who just had a really remarkable mind and a way of, they showed up at my hotel room in the middle of the night at 3 o'clock in the morning, which was pretty impressive because nobody, you know, how did they know I was even there?
I had thought, I'd been confused and thought it was a room service waiter, and it turned out to be this guy that had some extraordinary things to say, which, as I say, I recorded in this book.
And I'd never known who or what he was.
I've never been able to find him since then.
And so that's really the last big thing that happened.
Well, he has a better memory of it than anyone I've known.
There is another man that Linda just recently interviewed for us.
The interview will be appearing on Dreamland, I believe, next week or the week after, who is a lawyer and apparently a very prominent lawyer who interviewed anonymously, who also, like Jim Sparks, has got extensive memories of what happened to him.
And most people really don't.
My first experience with this thing was an abduction, or the first one I remembered, let me put it that way, in late 1985.
But then after that, for the next 11 years, there was no, I don't remember any abductions at all.
It was a lot of, I went out in the woods and encountered them, and I used to have groups of people up at the cabin, and there would be group encounters where they would come and there'd be 10 or 12 people here.
And that was the sort of thing that we did there.
And they seemed to be connected somehow with that immediate area.
In other words, when you left there, they didn't follow you.
It was very odd.
I was left wondering what they really were.
I'll give you an example.
A lady called Raven Dana, who's spoken about it publicly, who had an encounter in our house, said at first she had the feeling that it was like a little animal.
And that was exactly the way I would feel when they were around me, because even though after a few seconds you would see this was no animal that we know in our world, it wasn't, when you're face to face with them and you're totally conscious, they're not, they just seem very human at all.
Let me put it that way.
There's not a lot about them.
You would not think of them as being something that came out of a UFO or you even possessed a spaceship.
And yet, you know, what are they?
Where did they come from?
How could anything look like that?
And then suddenly it touches you or looks into your eyes, and it's like opening up the soul of God or something.
Well, you know, I think in most, many cases, they do move with people because one of the things we learned very quickly when we were in touch with a lot of abductees is that these were people on the move.
They didn't stay in one place very long.
When you were communicating with a group of 2,000 or 3,000 abductees, you'd have like 40% of them moving house every year.
They would not stay in the same place.
And this was because they would get relief from it.
And they would move.
And for a few months, it would be fun.
And it would start happening again, and they would move again.
Well, Jim Sparks' line of thinking, Wit, is that the Grays are not from another planetary system somewhere, but probably from our own future.
And my God, it made so much sense to me when you look at their line of investigation and what they're doing, and you look at what we're doing right now.
You can well imagine that in the future, the human race may slowly morph into something not so pleasant.
Mr. Sparks made reference to the fact that one in 166 children now, and all of a sudden I'm seeing it on the news, incidentally, on CNN, and everybody else is talking about autism, how bad it is.
It was one in 10,000, then it was one in 5,000, and a few years later, it's one in 166.
Well, yeah, and there was a story on our website a couple of weeks ago about that to the effect that apparently some scientists have discovered that it's essentially there's a gene in certain people that makes them susceptible as children to heavy metal poisoning.
And so these kids were being affected by the mercury that used to be a preservative in vaccines.
And whether there are more people being born with that gene or there's more heavy metal pollution around, which is probably the case, I don't know.
But yeah, we could morph into something completely different over time, obviously.
But, you know, I have a feeling.
I've often thought when, you know, there's always something about these experiences with them that takes it into a kind of another realm.
And you're left, well, like, for example, when we had people up to the house, and I would warn people, you know, don't touch them because it's a very big allergic reaction.
And some people would touch them, and they would, you know, their faces would get all puffed up the next day.
And I thought it was dangerous.
I had epinephrine injectors all over the house so that in case somebody went into anaphylactic shock, which was initially a fear I had until I went to an allergist and really got control of the situation.
But in any case, if you were from the future, one of the things you would be, the main thing you would be coming back to the past, presumably, to do, would be to change your own present.
So you would want to make the physics of it would make you need to be as unlike what you really were as you possibly could.
The more you were like something that never existed and never could exist, the more freedom of action you would have in the past, I think.
And maybe what these things are are constructions that are created biological entities that never existed in our reality at all and are being sent back from the future in an attempt to make changes because maybe it's an end game for them.
Maybe they are in a situation where they have no choice but to try to change the past in order to survive.
I mean, we are at the beginning of the end game and the way things are going, I mean, when we wrote Superstorm, hell, I thought we were 25 years away from where we are now.
Well, what you have to look at is the weather extremes, and they are absolutely awesome.
What is going on?
Because what we're looking at, the media calls it global warming.
What we are looking at is something that you and I in Superstorm called sudden climate change, and that's a much more accurate way of describing it.
I'll give you an example.
Today in Louisiana, two people were killed by tornadoes.
They are worried about flooding in New Orleans again, not from a hurricane, but from massive thunderstorms.
Now, here's the problem with that.
It's January.
It is not October.
It is not April.
This is not the season for that kind of weather in the United States, anywhere in the United States.
The reason it's happening now in this country is that it's too warm down there.
It's like autumn weather down there, and they have these northers blowing through and building up these huge thunderstorms at a time of the year when that shouldn't even be happening.
But it is.
And the kind of rains and flooding and the extraordinary storms that hit the Pacific Northwest this fall were completely off the wall.
And we have, well, like, you look around the world at Australia.
Right now in Australia, Western Australia, which is where Perth and so forth are, is enduring spectacular storms from the remains of Typhoon Isabel that are just really hitting them hard.
Meanwhile, Eastern Australia, Sydney and so forth, have got the worst drought they've maybe ever had.
And those are the kinds of extremes that are just epidemic throughout the world.
I mean, you saw when you were in Manila, you saw one of those typhoons.
That's a country that takes 20 typhoons a year.
They're used to it.
But these were beyond, they were outside of the envelope, which is why.
That sort of thing is happening all over the world.
Well, I'll give you an example.
There's an El Niño taking place in the Pacific right now.
That is supposed to be something that will cause it to get a lot drier in the Pacific Northwest.
They are saying that this is the weirdest El Niño they have ever seen because it's generating the most powerful Pineapple Express almost that they've ever seen.
I mean, there are people who have political agendas.
And I mean, companies with, you know, there's a lot of companies out there who are responding very positively to the problem.
Like Walmart, for example, is going in a big way for low-voltage electric lights.
And that's important because that's a huge, huge company, and it can make a big difference.
So they do care.
But there are other companies who basically fear that the way they do business will be changed in ways that are negative to them if people believe this.
And so you have this fake debate on global warming when there is really no debate.
It's the scientific results have been in for years.
And the fact of the matter is that it is happening.
Partly it's a natural cycle that we can't control.
Partly, though, it has to do with this medium-sized volcano that Keeps erupting all the time, 24 hours a day around the whole planet.
It's called the human race.
All of the fire that we burn in dozens of different ways inside automobiles, inside our homes, ins this is all we fire is what we use.
Well, because we have gone beyond the edge in terms of the climate.
The climate is no longer really predictable.
It is chaotic.
And all we can say about it is that it's going to do the unexpected.
We do know that if the present hurricane cycle holds true, that there will be years with severe hurricanes in the future.
In fact, the head of the National Hurricane Center just resigned after 34 years, and he's always been a kind of a soft-spoken guy, and he basically said that the southeastern United States is taking its life in its hands right now, that there could be a much worse storm than Katrina sometime in the next 10 years.
He didn't quite say superstorm, but he came as close as you can without actually saying that word.
It's got a lot of weight because when we started out, I mean, I remember going out on the radio, I mean, going out on TV and stuff and being scoffed at pretty much by people who I thought at the time were idiots, and I still do.
And it was unpleasant for both of us.
And what was astonishing, though, is to see the way the world weather systems began to set themselves up for just what we were afraid of.
Well, you know, the thing is that it's happening so much more quickly than we thought.
Like, we have the situation where the ice sheets, the Antarctic ice sheet is becoming unstable.
The Greenland glaciers are melting in just astonishing amounts of fresh water pouring into the whole Northern Ocean from Greenland every spring and summer.
The extent of the polar ice cap is going, it's moving back so quickly, much more quickly than we had expected.
They're worried about whether or not polar bears can even survive.
And we're looking in the lifetime of a lot of people in a situation where the summers are going to have no ice at all on the North Pole.
And what this does to this planet is, in a word, it changes everything.
But there is building in both North America and in Europe just what we feared, which is like right now, just yesterday was the first time there has been snow in the Alps this year.
If you can imagine, you're going to Switzerland to ski in November and December, and there's no snow.
It's unheard of.
Unheard of.
And yet they're having this heat.
And what is dangerous about this is Europe's weather is controlled by the Gulf Stream.
And the Gulf Stream is pumping warm air up across the eastern United States, Newfoundland, eastern Canada, and then over into England and into Europe.
It is controlled, or was, that was, by 12 great flows of water, warm water being drawn up from the south into the colder northern water.
And this was what was pushing the Gulf Stream.
The last time scientists looked at this, two of these great currents were still flowing.
If they stop, then everything changes in a matter of time.
And the Gulf Stream is much weaker than it used to be.
It is weaker.
And it's not going to stop suddenly.
It's a massive, massive flow of water.
But it will stop the way things are going now.
And when it does, we are going to be in a situation where these areas like Europe, where it is so warm now, they are going to be experiencing an extreme example of what just happened yesterday or is happening today in Louisiana of very,
very intense weather systems developing and complex weather systems developing of a kind we really haven't seen before, but we do know exist.
They happen.
I'll tell you a little bit about when they have happened in the past.
The Byrd Polar Research Institute has been examining glaciers in Peru, and they found a glacier.
And this is true of a lot of the Peruvian glaciers.
When you drill down to the bedrock below the glacier, what you find there is so astonishing.
You find plants, temperate zone plants, like that might be in your own backyard, not yours in the desert, but most of them.
And quick frozen, like they freeze plants, like they freeze vegetables to sell them as frozen food.
That frozen that fast.
And then those glaciers, those plants are frozen a matter of five minutes or less, so much so that their cells are still intact.
And they found this Stone Age man with his completely perfect, his clothing and everything was intact.
He had been frozen and trapped in the glacier for all of those years, and then finally it thawed and they found the body.
Now, he was moving through an alpine meadow, a meadow, when it began to snow.
He was injured and moving slow.
He'd been attacked by somebody, and he had some wounds, and he was overtaken by the snow.
You know when that happened?
About 5,200 years ago.
The same time this thing was happening in Peru, approximately.
So what was it that filled that alpine meadow with snow that didn't melt until 10 years ago?
What did it back then?
This is the kind of thing we really do need to find out.
We don't know what climate change means.
We don't know how powerful nature actually is.
But we do know that there are things about nature and climate on this planet that are so much more powerful than anything we have experienced in recorded history.
Are we going to figure this thing out and do what we can to control it in time or not?
And part of it has to do with computer power.
And it's not that people aren't trying.
It's that we have lacked the computing power necessary to build climate models that really are predictive and that actually work, that would tell us answers to questions like this.
But that's changing because the amount of computing power on this planet is growing exponentially every year.
And we are getting to the point where there is enough concentration of memory to build these really complicated, really immense models with billions upon billions of data points where you begin to do weather in these models that actually does come out like weather we're seeing around us.
And once we know that, we can start to understand this system a little bit more.
But the problem is, as I said earlier, we're beyond the edge of the envelope right now.
When you have weather events like we're experiencing on this planet right now, you're beyond the edge of the envelope.
When you're talking about droughts that are unlike anything we've ever seen, an El Niño that works backwards, it's crazy.
I mean, well, by the way, our own weather forecast here, I hesitate to even call it that.
A friend and I were talking the other day and saying, you know, it seems not so much like a weather forecast as it does weather observation as it happens.
They call it.
And that's fine.
But the forecast, even out a day or two, just doesn't seem to be working.
The forecasting element in a lot of different parts of the world is getting, well, like in England, they have just a few weeks ago, they had a tornado in London.
If we figure it out, if we got enough computer power and we determined what kind of change was going on right now, my bet would be that we can't do a damn thing about it.
I think that we're going to experience a lot of climate change.
There's no question about that.
Whether or not we can do things like reduce, you know, it doesn't take much to significantly reduce our carbon output, our CO2 output.
A couple of years ago, about 10 years ago, the Canadian Prime Minister issued something called the Canadian Prime Minister's Challenge, which was a they made a list of everything that you could do to reduce your carbon emissions.
And it was really amazing what you could do.
And we have on Unknown Country, if you click on the Quick Watch and go down to the bottom of the page, that's on the left side of the left column of the page, of the home page, you will find a list of simple things you can do.
Like one of them, which is one of the Walmart has gotten involved in, as I said earlier, switch two standard light bulbs to fluorescence.
You save 1,000 pounds of carbon emissions a year by doing that.
And think if 100 million households throughout the Western world and in places now like in China where they're organized enough to be able to do a thing like that did it.
But at the same time, there are things that we can do.
And I agree with you.
I'll tell you, in the next hour, we're going to get into some astonishing information about the relatively distant past about what can happen on this planet and what it can be like.
And the larger scale of sort of where we are now and where we're going that is of absolutely amazing stuff that's recently been discovered.
But we have to try to do what we can, obviously.
And there is the other side of the coin, and that is that the United States remains the largest we generate more CO2 than any other country in the world per capita, even than China, I mean, because they're simply not as rich as we are.
I mean, there was a time, even 10 years ago, when you couldn't do anything to change things in China.
But that's not true now.
You can begin to reach people in China.
And the Chinese government is beginning to show some concern about the levels of pollution in that country because you're looking there at a country that could literally break down.
I mean, its whole water infrastructure could fail.
Already, there is literally no food grown in China that would be considered fit for human consumption in the United States because it's so full of pesticides and pollutants.
Now, you think about that.
It's amazing.
It's absolutely amazing that it would be that way.
Whitley Strieber is my guest from the high desert.
I'm Art Bell.
Seasons don't fear the Reaper.
That's right.
They don't.
Interesting phenomena.
As you know, I just got back from the Philippines, and there you're near the equator.
And I had totally forgotten.
I guess I adjusted.
And of course, my new wife had never been to a land where there were seasons before.
And here at 4 or 4, you know, 4.30 or so, it begins to get dark.
Well, when you're at the equator, that doesn't happen.
It's the same all year long, roughly the same time for the sun to come up in the morning, go down in the evening.
And you come to North America, and oh, my gosh, it's entirely different.
And Aaron just couldn't believe it.
The sun's going down, and it's getting cold already.
When the sun goes down in the desert, it gets cold very quickly.
Whitley Streeber is my guest.
He's going to describe what's happened to our Earth in the past.
Now, it's indeed the past.
And it was the past when these medium-sized volcanoes really didn't have a whole lot to do with whatever the mixture was that created that giant change.
One very quick question before we dip into the distant past.
Whitley, our sun is doing some strange things.
The scientists are beginning to forecast that we're going to have one of the largest, if not the largest solar cycle directly ahead of us that we've ever had in recorded history.
We've had just in the past couple of weeks one of the strangest huge sunspots that's ever been seen.
It started out, normally a sunspot is a, actually it's a much hotter area on the surface of the sun, but it looks black and dark.
This started out as a kind of ring.
And it was an unusual solar phenomenon.
In addition, during the last solar cycle, every 11 years, the sun's magnetic field shifts, and the North Pole and the South Pole shift, something that happens on Earth over a period of hundreds of thousands of years.
But this time, it didn't do it right.
It sort of half shifted and kind of stayed in an easy way.
And we've subsequently, we've been having sunspots, big sunspots, and even an X-class solar flare during the solar minimum, which is quite unusual just a few weeks ago.
And so we're not really having a solar minimum.
And some people who study the interiors of the sun and the way the interior of the sun rotates have concluded that we are going to see the biggest solar max, and ironically coming, guess when, in 2011 and 2012, maybe in history.
And, you know, I mean, that gets us into a whole nother and utterly fascinating area of the relationship between 2012 and all of these changes.
Because how can it be that the Maya called it the way they have?
And it's clear that whether it was luck or just or what it was exactly, we are going to be in an extraordinarily unusual and chaotic situation in 2012.
I've always wondered, Whitley, whether the Maya actually knew that this was going to happen or whether the guy who was making calendars just got sick of it.
We're going to talk about that in a couple of minutes.
You know, before we go into the past, I thought it would be interesting to run down just the extreme weather events for the United States that happened in 2006.
It is an astonishing story.
One that we didn't talk about that we probably should is this snowstorm, two feet of snow hitting Buffalo in October, October 12 and 13.
Now, Buffalo is a city that gets a lot of snow.
Oh, yeah.
I might add that New York broke a 59-year record last February when 26 inches, nearly 27 inches of snow hit the city.
Now, this year so far, no snow whatsoever in the tri-state area, which is also a record.
So you have these unbelievable extremes going on.
Phoenix, 143 days without rain before they had a downpour on March 11th.
And this is incidentally something that is going to happen somewhere in the world.
There is going to be someone is going to go over the brink on drought at some point.
Another thing that's happening is drowning islands.
We have on Unknown Country, I think there's a story up, and if you don't see it, look on the left and click on Stories of the Week, and you will see an island off of South Carolina, which is full of expensive condos, and the beach is gone.
And there are areas of the world that are in extraordinary danger.
We've been talking about typhoons.
If a cyclone comes up the Indian Ocean and hits Bangladesh just right, given the increasing rising sea levels, you could have one of the worst human catastrophes in history because you could drown half that country.
Now, here's something I'm worried about, Whittley, and I know you're not a forecaster, and you have no way of knowing which way this totally mixed up system is going to go.
Nobody knows.
It's chaos.
But I'm here in the desert, and as you know, in the summer, near Death Valley, our temperatures, well, they can hover between 115 and 120 at its worst.
Now, there wouldn't be a whole lot of change that would be required in an upward movement kind of way, Whitley, to make this area uninhabitable for human beings.
And you can have a situation that can develop in, I think, Art, that it's actually a little farther south of you.
I think that the places to be worried about are more like Tucson and Phoenix because they are, or if you want to be really concerned, Central India has a couple of times in the past few years approached the 130 mark, which is...
And of course, if you get much above 120, as you probably know, air conditioning begins to not work and begins to fail.
And it keeps the temperature down 20 or 30 degrees below what it is outside.
So it's 95 inside.
It's not helping a lot.
Anyway, at those temperatures, the human body becomes unable to, a normal human being body can't deal with heat.
It's not built to.
And people begin to die of heat stroke, even sitting still and not moving in the shade.
And that, we've come close to that a couple of times in India, closer than we actually have in the United States.
That was very, very interesting, the weather pattern like that.
That's not something you're going to see every day, even now.
But let's move on now and start to talk about what it has been like in the past.
And so what I want to do is to go back 13,000 years.
And now this is going to be discouraging and encouraging because we're not close to how bad it has been.
And after all, despite what I'm going to talk about, life survived and we're still here.
There's a type of arrowhead called a Clovis point, which 13,000 years ago something happened that all of the people who did Clovis points suddenly disappeared.
There are no more Clovis points after that.
They're called falsum points.
Now, you find something interesting when you dig down.
Archaeologists looking to find the Clovis layer, they look for a little black strip in the soil called the black mat.
I'll tell you what that is.
That's a mat of algae.
You find it in Illinois, you find it in Oregon, you find it in New Mexico.
Where did it come from?
It came from flooding when in a matter of apparently days, the Laurentian Glacier, this gigantic glacier, actually was destroyed and vaporized and melted.
The entire continent was covered with water.
This water grew algae and it slowly sank down and that algae died on the surface when it dried out and that's now the black mat.
We now have to go back to 41,000 years ago when a star went supernova.
The first thing that happens is radiation moving out, the star was about 150 light years from Earth, moving out from the surface of the star at nearly light speed, goes out into the universe.
41,000 years ago, this hit.
What it would have looked like to people was a huge blue-colored second sun would appear in the sky all of a sudden with no explanation.
Now, the smart guys, they hid, or maybe the scared guys.
Everybody who didn't hide died.
In Australia, all animals over 200 pounds in weight died because they were cheated with gamma rays and they got excessive radiation exposure.
This is the time when human beings developed all kinds of different blood types.
We're a very unusual animal in that most animals only have one blood type, but we've got a whole bunch of different blood types.
And the reason is that this large animal, the human being, was smart enough to take shelter.
And so we've survived with mutations.
Now, something happened a few years after, a few thousand years after that, 36,000 years ago.
All of a sudden, in southern France and northern Spain, adolescents, kids, a la the indigo children of today, suddenly began to paint these extraordinary paintings on caves.
Now we figured out recently, scientists figured out that these were done by adolescents because they based this conclusion on the size of the handprints they find in the caves, the positioning of the paintings, and the known size of adolescents and adults at that time.
They were literally the kids suddenly broke through to a whole new level.
And you know where they were?
They were on the exact opposite side of the galaxy where we are now, 13,000 years ago.
And we're halfway around it, just about to cross through the plane of the galaxy, just at exactly the opposite place where we were then.
The Mayan calendar predicts this, predicted this in its massive long-count calendar, that these changes would take place.
And I submit to you that there is something bigger going on here than any of us can understand.
When we talk about it on a microscope or a small level of our weather changes that we're facing right now, on a much larger level, something else, something bigger and something infinitely more mysterious is going on here.
You don't suppose that there's any relationship between that.
And again, going back to the Sparks interview, the changes going on in human beings right now with respect to autism and that sort of thing, there's a basic, profound change going on, and I can't quite put my finger on it, but the Sparks interview sure turned me onto it.
Speaking of interesting times, Whitley, is there any relationship between the weather changes, perhaps what's going on with the sun, and the geologic shake-ups we're going through?
I mean, we just had an earthquake in Taiwan.
It took out every single fiber cable, and most of Asia suddenly went dark information-wise, and telephone-wise.
I mean, it just cut everything off.
Is there any relationship to the geologic activity?
A couple of Years ago, I believe it was two years ago, Japan was hit by a real daisy chain of typhoons, just one after another, 19 or 20 of them in a row.
And they began to have earthquakes, and some of them quite severe in Japan because the water had literally penetrated down into and lubricated the faults.
But I think also that the sun plays a large role in this that we don't understand yet.
That heavy-duty solar activity results in on the Earth more volcanic activity, more unrest in the planet, and more radical weather activity.
I think that there is a connection there that we don't fully understand yet.
We're coming up to a break, so hold it right there.
Yes, the geologic activity became so intense that the Japanese began doing surveys of the bottom of the ocean, trying to figure out what was going to happen to them next.
Interesting times?
Yes, indeed, baby.
We're on a ride.
I'm Art Bell.
Chris from Fresno, California says, Art, enough with a weather report.
Boring as hell after two hours.
Well, Chris, I suppose if you looked at it as a weather report, yes, indeed it would be.
But, gee, Chris, I want you to look carefully around you.
The North and the South Pole of our world, this little world that we tread around on, are melting.
Not slowly, but quickly.
We're about to be navigating across the North Pole where there was ice and there is no longer ice.
Chris, these are profound changes in the world.
This is not a weather report.
This is a kind of a summation of changes that are going on that even we cannot explain the final destination of.
So, Chris, if you want to regard it as a weather report, go right ahead.
But I can assure you, my friend, it's a great deal more.
We'll be right back.
On the other hand, Maddie in Buffalo, New York says, hey, Art, we broke another record of 55 degrees here today and went through all the week.
No snow for Christmas.
As Whitley just mentioned, record snow and a storm hit here, 10, 12, 06, not good for our health and the plant life here.
We're going to get a lake storm, and all hell is going to break loose.
Yeah, so we've got a lot to talk about in that area.
But anyway, let's go back to the day when 80 million mammoths, mastodons, and other large animals died and why.
And now we're going back again 13,000 years.
The second wave of that supernova we were talking about, the slower stuff hit.
This stuff, it was traveling at much slower speeds.
This is solid stuff.
Things like tiny particles of iron and large pieces of comet-like material that came out of this supernova, hit the Earth and the whole solar system.
Now, some scientists that I'm going to be interviewing on Dreamland shortly have discovered why all those mammoths died with food in their mouths and there was this sudden, unbelievable climate change taking place.
And the reason that they found that these animals had tiny particles of iron embedded in their tusks and even in their bones, they literally dropped dead where they stood when these tiny microscopic invisible particles moving at 3,000 miles an hour came and swept over the whole continent and hit them and killed them all.
This is the glacier that was over at that time over northern Illinois and most of Canada and the northern half of New York State and on into the north central United States.
It hit with such force that flying glaciers impacted in New Mexico.
I mean, I'm telling you, all of these little craters in the Carolinas, there are over a million of them called the Carolina Bays, were created by this flying ice.
The central part of this glacier was vaporized literally in a day, in a moment.
And this flow of water that we talked about, that covered not only North America, but the whole world.
And we have memories of it.
It's called Noah's Flood in the Bible.
And before that, the Epic of Gilgamesh.
And in North America, it sent a torrent of water across down the central United States that was 300 miles wide.
Trillions of gallons poured into the Gulf of Mexico.
And I will submit that the people who really understood, and maybe not with, they had exquisite instincts that we have lost.
And I think that's what their science was.
They understood the way the universe actually works.
They made these calendars that the Mayans preserved and the extraordinary engineering abilities that we see at the great platform at Baalbek in Lebanon, at the great pyramids, at the fortress at Saxahuaman in Peru.
These unbelievable achievements of engineering from the distant past came from them.
They were totally destroyed by this event, but they left behind a warning.
13,000 years later, we better listen to them because they predicted what is happening now somehow.
I think that at that time in the evolution, the development of the human species, we had what I described a minute ago as exquisite instincts.
We had an instinctual intelligence that during this catastrophe, there's a fascinating book by Barbara Hann-Clow called Catastrophia, Where she talks about how what happened back then literally traumatized this species.
We are a species living in post-traumatic stress disorder as a species.
And that's why we don't have those exquisite instincts anymore.
We're struggling kind of half-blind with our modern science and our we have a need to go down step by step by step.
We can't just kind of let it happen in our minds the way they did.
I think that's the change.
I think that's the difference.
And, you know, you were talking, the listener at the top of the show was talking about all the laughter in the media about the UFO sighting over O'Hare Airport.
Apparently, an intelligently guided craft of non-human or unknown origin was seen by a large number of airline employees and pilots, and everybody's laughing about it?
It's so funny, Bill O'Reilly.
I'm sorry.
It's not funny.
It's extraordinary.
An amazing event has taken place, and we have to push it away.
This is our weakness speaking.
Now, let's go on and talk a little bit more about, just in general, the amount of UFO activity recently.
I put up on my journal, and it's not the journal that's up there now, it's the one immediately before that.
If you go to Whitley's journal on my website and click on, you can find it immediately.
It's about the fact that we are really, at this point, ready, I mean, we could handle contact with practically anybody.
It's not like it was even 50 years ago when we were primitive in our understanding of this.
The average person is now very used to the idea that contact of some kind, even understanding that it might not be contact with aliens.
It might be that something entirely different is going on.
We're able to do that.
Now, could it be that somebody is there trying to reach us, even if they're from the future?
Maybe they're trying to reach us more directly so that they can make more direct change and let us know what we need to do to enable them to continue to exist?
And the thing that's interesting about it is it's bigger than any confactor of control.
There's something else going on, this great mystery I was talking about earlier.
But I want to get to, we're getting close to the top of the hour, and we're going to open the lines afterwards.
I want to get to this South African crash.
It's down at the bottom of our front page, and it pretty well blew my mind when I read this.
This happened on Saturday in South Africa, and in a little town, and if you go on the thing, you can see a map of where it happened, and then click on, there's a map, there's actually, they have a thing here where you can click on to the Google satellite map of the actual area, see a detailed satellite map.
What happened was this, 4.33 in the morning, the manager, administrative manager of this little town in South Africa, she begins to hear a noise that she sounded like a jumbo jet starting its engines.
Then it increases until it sounds like massive screaming turbines.
She looks outside and she sees that clouds have turned bright orange in color.
An object looking like a comet with an orange tail shoots out of the sky and hits the ground with a huge explosion.
And now, so far, at least since Saturday, nobody has gone looking for this.
And maybe they will find something and maybe they won't.
It could be a meteor.
If it was a meteor, it's a very unusual meteor sound.
It's quite unusual for a meteor to sound like that.
But it's possible that that's what it was.
However, in Russia, in Siberia, a couple of months ago, there was a very similar incident.
And the government sent helicopters out to look for whatever it was that had crashed, That the villagers said had crashed, and nothing had.
And they didn't find anything.
And so they said it was just the villagers were all nuts or something.
And they blew it off.
And yet now it happens again in South Africa.
And then there's this thing that happened in New Jersey, Freehold Township in New Jersey, day before yesterday, that they've been laughing about in the American media again.
Well, the object that hit in initially, I mean, they're going to say it's a meteor in the thing that hit in Freehold Township.
But depending on its composition, it could be, I mean, who noticed what it was?
It was a very strange event.
And what made it strange was that the object would be traveling at such a speed, such a velocity, that it would crash through a roof of a house and embed itself in a wall.
It was going faster than it would have gone if it was simply falling.
In other words, it was going much faster.
It had velocity of its own, and yet it wasn't hot.
Showed no evidence, it shows no obvious evidence of being scorched.
We could be, and if so, it's going to be just as peculiar as the other UFO flaps where you have a combination.
And if you go back to the late 40s, early 50s, when you were having these extraordinary UFO flaps, they were accompanied by a large number of meteoric, seemingly meteoric events.
You had the so-called ghost rockets in Sweden.
You had the green fireballs in New Mexico.
You had UFOs up in Roswell and up in the Pacific Northwest, and then eventually all across the United States until finally it culminated with this extraordinary series of UFO sightings over Washington that was the classic example of debunking when the Air Force dismissed them as swamp gas, which became a sort of international joke.
But nevertheless, it has the look and feel of the same kind of thing now happening again that happened then only this time, like something that is orbiting and getting closer and closer each time it comes around.
It's going to get a lot closer than it did back then.
So we could be at the very beginning of yet another one.
I mean, it's been since, for example, the Phoenix lights, it's been pretty quiet, but it has the feel to it right now of the beginning of something big.
And also another thing that we're getting, the weirdest thing on our website gets a lot of email.
And I look at a good bit of it.
We have a volunteer who looks at it before I do, thank God, because it gets like maybe as many as 1,000 emails, maybe 4,000 or 5,000 a month.
But one of the things that they have been sending me consistently is very, very interesting.
It's coming from different people around the world, not just the United States.
They are reporting seeing what some of them are describing in various ways, but some of them are describing as what look like gateways that are opening, that they see in fields and in the sky near their houses, these angular kind of openings that seem to be openings into something else or somewhere else.
Our memories hoard is very short and convenient indeed.
The poles of the world are melting, and they call it a weather report.
Whitley Streamer is here.
He's my guest.
He and I did a little book that became a movie that kind of kicked all this off in a way.
And many of them are still kicking us.
At any rate, I've had Whitley now for some time.
So in a moment, it's your turn.
Any questions?
And there's quite a spectrum to talk about from the Grays to the current UFO flap, if that's what it is, and it certainly appears to be, to a great deal of what he's covered about the climate.
He's all yours.
Coming right up.
George is taking a well-deserved day or two off, and I am filling in this night.
My name is Art Bell.
On the line with me is Whitley Streeber, and we're about to go to the phones if you're ready.
Anything else you want to get in now, Whitley, Just before.
Well, you know, anyone who lives in an now, this is not in any kind of an earthquake zone or a zone that is an area that is prone to bad weather should certainly have basic emergency supplies.
In a place in California, we've got water to last for a week and food supplies.
I mean, nothing special, just things we bought at the grocery store.
And, you know, we have a crank radio, actually.
It's a C-Crane radio, to tell you the truth.
And that kind of thing here.
And everyone should have that.
I think anyone who lives in hurricane areas or should have such supplies available in their car in an earthquake zone like she is in California, an area in Pacific Northwest, which now appears to be prone to very severe storms.
You should be able to expect to live without power and perhaps without access to water and food or certainly food for at least four or five days, anywhere.
And I don't think I wouldn't worry about a website because the internet isn't going to be something that's going to be available under those conditions.
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No, I was thinking of buying it now, you know, like a survivor list.
Well, a pole shift, you know, interestingly enough, she brings up quite a fascinating point because about every, supposedly, about every, I think about every 200 to 50,000 years, there is a magnetic pole shift on planet Earth.
Not as far as we know, an actual turning over of the planet, but the magnetic pole shifts, and for a period of time lasting upwards of anywhere from a few years to 1,000 years, we don't really know, the magnetic, the magnetosphere of the Earth is in chaos.
Now, we know that in the past, this has not been associated with big extinction events, meaning that when this happens, solar energy is not so bad that it reaches the surface of the Earth.
But we're living in a very different world now.
We are living in a world that is absolutely dependent upon long electrical lines, sensitive electronic circuits, and so on and so forth.
If we didn't have a magnetic field to guard us from solar radiation, to say the least, this society as we know it could not function, not for long.
It would begin to break down in all kinds of complicated and eventually catastrophic ways.
That said, the pole is in the process of shifting.
Scientists believe that it's a very slow process, that, in other words, that it'll take at least 1,000 years for it to be in a state of chaos.
But we don't actually know whether or not that is the case.
So, yes, that's yet another thing that is changing now.
We are in the middle, or at the beginning phases and have been for 200 or 300 years of one of these periodic earthly magnetic pole shifts.
Let's go west of the Rockies to Ann in Walnut Creek, California.
You're on Whitley.
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And hi, Whitley, and I'm so glad to hear the two of you tonight.
Absolutely fascinating.
I would like to ask a question I've been wanting to ask for a long time.
I'd like to ask you to bring in another element into the discussion to connect the dots between HARP and everything you've been talking about.
How HAARP may have been playing a role, maybe could play a role for good or bad, and whether anything that's happened could possibly be attributable to HAARP.
And last of all, is there any way you can think of that if we were in an electromagnetic celestial pickle that HAARP could actually help?
Yeah, HAARP is using essentially microwave energy or similar energy to heat the ionosphere with unknown results.
And I can assure you that they have never done any kind of environmental impact analysis of that at all.
What HAARP may be used for, supposedly it is used to create an area, a reflective area where they can reflect radar waves off of it and look down across the horizon of the earth, use the radar to look down across the horizon of the earth, the other side of the planet.
What it's actually used for, given that we have satellites that now blanket the entire planet, making such a process unnecessary, what it's actually used for is an entirely different question.
I don't know.
Dr. Nick Begich has got a lot of very interesting theories about that.
And I do think this, and this is just generally true, where the secrets start, the freedom stops.
And we absolutely, this government of the United States has got a cancer.
It's the cancer of secrecy.
This cancer has been growing ever since World War II and after World War II.
Instead of backing away from secrecy that was so necessary during wartime, we founded the CIA and we embraced it.
Harry Truman said the CIA was the worst mistake he ever made.
Dwight Eisenhower warned us against this malicious military-industrial complex as he described it.
And we now are suffering the consequences of that.
Every American should have clear information about what things like HARP are, what they do, and what their potential hazards are.
We're looking at a chaotic system getting completely out of control.
So, you know, how to attribute any single influence on it is just virtually impossible.
Wildcard line, Elizabeth, you're on the air with Whitley.
unidentified
Hello, Art.
Hello, Whitley.
You know, I would like to ask you about these people that could help us stop this from happening, how we could get to them, you know, how we could get them to listen to us.
I have an idea.
For one thing, my preacher, it's a little embarrassing to talk about my ideas, but he said the way to measure a man's maturity or woman's maturity is by their love toward other people.
So if we could get these people that can help us to stop the global warming to realize that.
Well, I think that it would be more productive to talk about, first of all, I don't think that is anything like that is going to happen.
I do think, though, that there is an increasing potential for earthquake in the central United States being generated by the New Madrid Fault, which in the early 19th century created a tremendous earthquake in that area and is still very unstable.
And unfortunately, it's an area of the country that is totally unprepared for earthquakes.
It's absolutely unprepared.
The other thing is this, that there is a lot of study needed to understand what happened to cause these recent, the gigantic earthquake a couple of years ago at Christmastime that caused the tsunami,
the 8.5 earthquake off the coast of New Zealand that preceded it by a few days, the massive earthquakes that occurred in northern Siberia recently, and just what is causing these very large earthquakes swarms that keep appearing, and does this have significance?
In other words, can other areas like it was recently announced that by, I believe, by NOAA or by the U.S. Geologic Survey, or it may have been the state of California, that there was a relatively high likelihood that the San Andreas Fault was going to give away in its northern half, jeopardizing San Francisco and potentially the Sacramento Delta, which feeds water to the whole southern half of the state.
So, you know, how this is the sort of thing that we don't understand well enough yet.
And she brings up a point as far as the United States itself cracking in half, I think basically just don't worry about it.
But anyway, Whitley, it's always nice to hear you on the radio.
Yeah, and just going back to the UFO thing, I've been investigating UFO phenomena for many years.
I've worked in aviation for 11 years.
I used to fuel aircraft, kill aircraft, and work on a tarmac for many years.
I've seen weird anomalies, but back to the Chicago, the UFO out there.
I did some research on that, and I received an email of the object.
It was a black triangle, and these discs were coming out of the bottom from what I heard.
And let's think about this for a minute.
What has happened is a few months, a couple weeks ago, whatever, 2006.
Now, almost everybody in the United States has a cell phone, and 90% of all the cell phones have cameras on them.
Now, tell me that there's not one person out there out of those people on the tarmac that didn't take a picture of a UFO with their cell phone that was hanging around in the air for about 10 minutes.
Now, I think we should actually try to retrieve some of those photos unless the government came in there under national security and said it was some sort of government project, which they always do.
When I was working at Lockheed, when we had UFOs flying around there, little objects, they always said it was national security, and just blamed it on that, and everybody just sort of shut up.
Well, Color, you just said you said a moment ago that I just lost my train of thought.
What did you say?
Oh, yes.
You referred to Chicago.
Now, I wanted to ask you if you also feel that we're at the beginning of another UFO flap, a big period of time when we're going to get a lot of sightings, if not a landing.
unidentified
You're absolutely correct.
The UFO flap happens to happen on a 20-year cycle, I've been noticing.
And we are coming into that flap right now.
And I've actually, what's really amazing about the UFO phenomenon is you could actually, when there's a major UFO sight in a particular area, you could usually link it to some historical event.
Like one of the largest historical human events in our existence was World War II.
They were everywhere.
When there's major earthquakes, they're in local areas.
There are UFOs seen everywhere.
When there's a major catastrophe, they're there.
Some of them are probably documenting historical events.
Others are actually trying to prevent events from happening.
I've worked with Undercover, I'm a contractor who works undercover for a couple of companies.
And I was in downtown L.A. when we got word of a nuclear weapon being released in downtown Los Angeles.
I was with some agents out there, and I'm telling you, when I was out there, there was a UFO right in L.A. when we were looking for this.
They thought the keyword, it was near the library.
It was a building two blocks across from the library.
There's supposedly been snuck in a small nuclear device on the 66th floor of a building.
They're going to airburst it and destroy L.A. At this point, I swear to God, there's a cylindrical silver object the size of a small car floating.
It looked like a balloon.
It was hovering against the building right where this weapon was supposed to be placed.
The air unit that we had out there, an FBI helicopter, approached it and nearly crashed when it saw this UFO.
Well, consider for a moment that all of this began shortly after we detonated the first nuclear weapon in the world, and it's been going on ever since.
And as he points out, Whitley, it has occurred around major events, around major military moves.
It occurred during World War II when we had the Foo Fighters and other major event, a war.
Yeah, and the great Los Angeles UFO event where they opened fire on a UFO over Los Angeles during the early part of the war years.
So incidentally, getting back to the INSA United incident in Chicago, they've been researching on my website to see if there's anything if there's anything more.
And we did find something interesting that on December the 4th, the FAA issued an info, an information for operators saying that TAs or phantom returns on collision of wood equipment in airplanes had been occurring,
and they attributed it to returns from U.S. Navy craft from a certain type of transponder on U.S. Navy craft.
Indeed, here I am, a country where they turn back time.
They are out there, and I suggest that most Americans, when you get the opportunity, go and visit one.
The Year of the Cat.
That song just has a great deal of meaning to me.
Good morning, everybody.
I'm Art Bell.
Whitley Streeber is my guest.
What is it we're doing?
We're doing a special weather report, and we'll be right back.
When I had to rudely interrupt you because of the clock, Whitley, you were talking about a notice to air traffic types about what was going to be appearing almost as though they knew.
I was talking about an FAA notice about phantom signals occurring on accident collision avoidance equipment in planes, and they were referring primarily to Lindbergh Field in San Diego and saying that,
interestingly enough, that the source of them was unknown because the naval ships that might have been the source of these things that were in the harbor had the transponders that could have caused this turned off.
And, of course, no one makes any claim whatsoever about this, about it being, about what else might be causing this.
But you have to think that maybe they're out there trying to land and it didn't work in San Diego, so they tried Chicago.
How do you feel about Robert Felix's take on it, where he feels that we're entering global warming to be followed by an ice age?
And I accept that climate change is real.
What possible solutions?
I mean, you've either got Shelly Yates, who's doing a fire up the grid on the 17th of July, 11-11, with a mass consciousness experiment, or else you've got Richard Hogeland's hyper-dimensional physics solution.
Well, it's true that I do have the problem of being a little bit optimistic simply because I look at human history and I see all of the things that have gone wrong across the span of time that we have been on this earth, and we're still here.
And I just have a feeling that, yeah, I agree with you, Art.
I think a lot of this is going to unfold, and there's not a lot we can do about it.
And there will be many people who suffer because of it.
But in the end, there'll be three species that are still here.
And I guess my optimism comes from, I'm really talking about our ability to cope with them.
We can reduce our carbon dioxide emissions quite easily.
The big lie that we can't do that is the lack of leadership has been unfortunate because as I say, if you go on an unknown country and you go to the quick watch and you just scroll down, there's a list of things that you could do.
As I said, if 100 million people did them, it would completely change the whole carbon dioxide profile of the atmosphere inside of 10 years.
And a lack of leadership is why that doesn't happen.
They're not even hard.
But that is going to change.
Art's right.
You're right.
It has changed the larger picture.
It's too late for things like the Gulf Stream.
That is going to happen.
Whatever its consequences are, we don't know.
But it is going to happen.
The fundamental way the ocean currents work now is going to change.
And it's going to change probably in our lifetimes and could be really any time.
And we're going to live with the consequences of that, whatever they may be.
West of the Rockies, you're on from Anchorage, Alaska, Kat with Whitley.
unidentified
Hi, it's great to be speaking with both of you.
Whitley, I wanted to ask you about something I saw actually, it was 10 years ago, but the stuff you were talking about with gateways opening up reminded me of it.
I was driving between Visalia, California and Fresno, California with a bunch of friends.
And it was at night, and there were no street lights out there, just the headlights.
So it was very dark sky.
And all of a sudden, the sky basically turned to daylight in kind of a slow flash and then turned back to blackness.
But we had time to, you know, we were probably going 50 miles an hour when we broke entirely to a stop.
You know, everybody in the car saw and was screaming.
And I talked to people for months after that to see if I could find anyone that knew what had happened.
But I only ever found one other person that remembered it.
I'm wondering if you know about this kind of phenomenon or if you think it's related.
Well, it's sometimes related to that can be a meteor, a meteor, a large meteor, especially if it was cloudy, burning up and I mean, especially if it was a clear night, burning up and they can.
At the same time, it could have been something completely unknown.
The interesting thing about it was that if it was that big, it was a big energy release of some kind that caused it.
Because you don't light up the whole night sky like that and make it turn into daylight for a few minutes without it was it was no flashlight and it was nothing from an airplane.
I mean, if you had objects following military craft, there would have been a lot of reports filed.
And if we know the timeline and where, people can file information, freedom of information requests, and we can get information on this.
So again, when was it, please?
unidentified
It was during the Arab-Israeli airlift in the Azore Islands.
It's been so long, I don't remember the dates.
I know it was in 1973.
And like I said, during the entire airlift, we had not less than one UFO and a lot of times several every day.
Now, one of the interesting thing is a buddy and I, we took my camera and went out to the end of the island one evening to see if we could get a photograph.
And we were met by security police that turned us around and told us to go back.
And I know of another incident that I've done a little bit of research into that happened during the Korean War in the Pacific where a large cylindrical object appeared over a carrier battle group and was absolutely an awesome experience.
And the reason I'm pretty sure it happened is that we received so many letters from so many different people.
We received letters from two different people who had been in the carrier battle group.
One of them a radar operator and one of them an officer on one of the support ships who I don't believe were connected with each other in any way.
The letters came about a year and a half apart, and we have them both.
And it was apparently a really remarkable incident.
The Old Testament was written during the sign of the Ram, the 2,300-year approximate cycle, that astrological cycle, which is that we're entering the age of Aquarius now.
That was the age of Aries.
And the ram is the most mentioned animal in the Old Testament.
Then we moved to Pisces.
And when we moved to Pisces, the New Testament appears.
And what is the symbol, of course, of Christ in the New Testament?
The fisherman.
And the fish was the early symbol of the Christians.
Now we move into the age of Aquarius.
What happens to an Aquarius?
Well, it's called Aquarius because the water in which the little fish has presumably been swimming is poured out onto the land.
The fish has got to learn to walk and to breathe on land because he's no longer supported by the water which has been the source of his life before.
And somebody knew all of this.
That's why the Bible is related to the huge astrological structures that are beneath the surface.
It's why the Sphinx, if Graham Hancock is correct, and I'm pretty sure he is, if you go back to the time of Leo 10,000 plus years ago, you'll find the constellation of Leo rising behind the Sphinx every night.
And supposedly the Sphinx is only a couple of thousand years old.
Robert Schock has said it's more like it is 10,000 years old.
So anyway, there is a huge structure here, a great plan, an enormous mystery.
And those of us living in this time, which is obviously an end time of some sort, but like all endings, it's also a beginning.
We are very attuned to this extraordinary mystery.
That's why there's a huge spiritual awakening taking place on earth right now.
On a religious level, from the most conventionally religious people to the most unconventionally, there is this sense of something great in our presence, in the air, all around us and within us.
And it's true because there is a change of age taking place, and we're part of it.
I've got a couple of questions and a little bit of the commentary.
So first I'll throw the questions out.
I would like to know what Whitley thinks of the opposing theories, I guess, of global warming, inasmuch as it's a solar cycle, or I have heard another that says that we're currently suffering a bombardment of neutrinos that are hitting the core of the Earth.
You know, that's an interesting question because there is a lot of change in the radiant atmosphere around our planet taking place right now.
And there is also change taking place within the core of the planet.
And we just don't understand this at all.
But it may very well relate.
And it may explain, for example, why it is, like off the coast of the Pacific Northwest, and this could be a reason why we were talking earlier about this El Niño ended up going backwards there.
And it is that there is a large area of land area beneath the ocean that is warm, that is heating for some unknown reason.
There's a hot spot near Santa Barbara, in the mountains near Santa Barbara, California, too, where it's just, there's a lot of heat coming up out of the ground, and we don't understand why.