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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be, continent to continent, across the oceans, all around the world.
		This program, Coast to Coast AM, covers every bit of the territory around the world, one way or the other.
		Good evening.
		I'm Art Bell, filling in for George Norrie, taking a well-deserved night off.
		And let me give you fair warning ahead of time.
		We're going to do something a little bit special tonight.
		And what I'm going to do is hold it until the second half hour so that those of you who would like to record it, actually, it's only a piece of it.
		It kind of went on and on.
		It is, and we have never replayed this to the best of my knowledge, it is the infamous, if you will, a story of a man who flew over Area 51.
		And I believe, I think this occurred back in 1997.
		Now, that's just my best guess, but I think it was 97.
		And you've just never heard anything like it in your life.
		It's about almost 12, I guess almost 12 minutes long.
		And I know a lot of people have been wanting to record this or get a copy of it one way or the other.
		So the network was kind enough after somebody requested.
		This is by request.
		Somebody called the show last week and requested that we dig it up and play it.
		And so we shall.
		We'll make it in the second half hour here.
		Let's take a brief look at the depressing world news.
		President Bush talks about Iraq war plan in Saddam.
		President Bush said Thursday he wished the execution of Saddam Hussein had gone in a more dignified way.
		President Bush also said he'll make a speech next week announcing his long-awaited decisions about how to proceed in the unpopular war in Iraq.
		Considering more troops to deal with the rising violence in Baghdad, Bush said one thing for absolute certain, didn't say absolute for certain, he said, I'll want to make sure the mission is clear and specific and can be accomplished.
		Something we should have done before we went in, right?
		Senior generals have cautioned against sending additional troops unless their role is well defined.
		Well, it's happened.
		In a day of ceremony and historic change, Representative Nancy Pelosi became the nation's first female House Speaker on Thursday, as Democrats eagerly took control of Congress for the final two years of the president's term, probably making life rather miserable for the president.
		Democrats are back, said Pelosi, and she immediately set the rank and file to work passing tougher ethics rules.
		Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman on Thursday dismissed the chief of the country's nuclear weapons program because of security breakdowns at the Los Alamos, New Mexico lab and other facilities.
		The number of death sentences handed out in the U.S. dropped in 2006 to the lowest level since capital punishment, actually, was reinstated 30 years ago.
		Wow.
		Reflecting what some experts say is a growing fear that the criminal justice system will make a tragic and irreversible mistake.
		Executions fell two to the fewest in a decade.
		President Bush has chosen a 25-year Intel veteran, Vice Admiral Mike McConnell, to be our nation's second national intelligence director as he reshapes national security strategy with two years left in his presidency.
		In a case fraught with ethical questions, this story is really weird.
		The parents of a severely mentally and physically disabled child have stunted her growth to keep their little pillow angel a manageable and more portable size.
		The bedridden nine-year-old girl had her uterus and breast tissues removed at a Seattle hospital and received large doses of hormones to halt her growth.
		She is now 4'5 ⁇ .
		Her parents say she would otherwise probably reach a normal 5'6 or so.
		J-Lo honored by People Espanol, and she deserves it.
		I really like Jennifer Lopez.
		I always have.
		She's among entertainers selected by People Espanol for its 100 most influential Hispanics issue, which honors those who have made an impact in the Hispanic community.
		Lopez, who graces the cover of the magazine's February issue on Newsstands Friday, says, quote, being an example to others is a big part of my work.
		And I must say, she really is something.
		I've seen a number of her movies lately.
		And she's just a joy.
		Just an absolute joy.
		All right, listen, the webcam shot tonight is of Ms. Aaron Bell.
		Mrs. Aaron Bell, actually.
		Right here, taken a few hours earlier.
		And you'll notice she has a pillow covering her somewhat protruding stomach.
		Actually, she's not showing that much yet, but you can indeed begin to see it.
		So in a moment, oh, in the next hour, Whitley Streeber is going to be here, and he's going to be talking about what Whitley and I have always talked about, and that is the weather.
		In a moment, we'll look at a little of the rest of the news, as Paul would say.
		Dateline, Chicago.
		I love this.
		Federal officials say it was probably just some weird weather phenomenon.
		But a group of United Airlines employees swear they saw a mysterious saucer-shaped craft hovering over O'Hare Airport last fall.
		We're just hearing about this now.
		The workers, some of them pilots, so they'd know what they're seeing, right?
		Said the object didn't have lights and it hovered over an airport terminal before shooting up through the clouds, according to a report in Monday's Chicago Tribune.
		The Federal Aviation Administration acknowledged a United supervisor, in fact, had called the control tower at O'Hare, asking, had anyone spotted a spinning disc-shaped object?
	But the controllers didn't see anything.
	And a preliminary check of radar found nothing out of the ordinary.
	Quote, our theory on this is it was a weather phenomenon, said Corey.
	He's a FAA spokeswoman, actually, Elizabeth Corey.
	The night was a perfect atmospheric condition in terms of low cloud ceiling and lots of airport lights.
	When lights shine up into the clouds, why sometimes you can see funny things, said she.
	The FAA shall not investigate, said she.
	United spokeswoman Megan McCarthy said company officials don't recall discussing any such incident from November 7th.
	There's a lot of non-recollection there, isn't there?
	In the months of October, November, and December of 77 and during the first half of 1978, the Brazilian state of Para, is it Para, has been invaded, I would think Para has been invaded by UFOs.
	And it was not simply sightings.
	Nothing to do with mysterious lights wandering at high altitudes, more about bright objects in several shapes and sizes flying over the Bay region at low altitude, just in fact, meters above the trees and firing strong beams of lights at people.
	The people harmed by the phenomena, one of the most important ones of the world's ufology studies and still, in fact, being researched nowadays, gave several names to the silent bright objects.
	Vampire Light, Bug, the Thing, and mainly Chupa Chuba, the sucker.
	I guess from Chupacabra, right?
	They said the object pilots were beings with a height of 1.2 or 1.3 meters.
	That's small.
	The people called it Chupa Chupa because of the weird scars the victims bore on their bodies, the light beam used to leave the tiny holes on the skin.
	Among women, the scars were on their breasts.
	They seemed to lose blood during the attack.
	Men and women complained of giddiness, body numbing, and headache after the attacks.
	The inhabitants of the cities of Colaris, San Antonio, and others panicked on these days of bitter remembrance.
	The panic took over even the state's capital with a sequence of strange light reports and chupa chupa attacks in several quarters of the city, astonishing the local authorities.
	Chupa Chupa, that's interesting.
	In the end of the 70s, scientists from all over the world came to Brazil where they failed to explain anything.
	27 years later, documents from the Brazilian Air Force's Secret Service are now revealing these lights from space were something much more unsettling than we can imagine.
	The explanation of the phenomena is there is none.
	It is still a big mystery, a huge challenge to the science and the Air Force.
	Experts, ufologists, scientists, and researchers from Brazilian universities are collecting signatures.
	In fact, a petition that will be delivered to the Brazilian president.
	It requires the Air Force to reveal conclusions of the investigation of the Chupa Chupa case.
	Well, I'm sure there'll be great difficulty in recollection, but we'll see.
	At first, it simply looked like an ugly oil slick.
	But as the crew of the yacht Macon sailed closer to a brown patch on the ocean near Tonga out in the Pacific, they suddenly realized they were observing something far rarer and more beautiful.
	What looked like a brown stain on the Pacific turned out in fact to be a spectacular drift of floating pumice stones stretching more than in fact 16 kilometers wow, and an indication an island was being born right before their eyes.
	After navigating a course toward steam clouds on the horizon, can you imagine being on this boat?
	The crew of the yacht was treated to the sight of lava spewing up from the ocean to create new land where previously there had been none.
	One of the very few people to witness firsthand volcanic activity creating an island, crew member Frederick Fransen last week, told of his experience during a stopover in Brisbane.
	His account has volcanologists vibrating.
	Franson, a Swede, who lives in the U.S., was traveling from San Francisco to Australia in August when the Macon chanced upon the floating pumice, which was later photographed by NASA with a satellite.
	The pumice initially appeared to be an oil spill, but as the yacht drew closer, it proved to be thick.
	In fact, about 18 kilometers across.
	The sight was unbelievable, he said.
	It looked like rolling sand dunes as far as the eye could see.
	So I guess in a way, you're seeing God in the creative mode.
	This is the stuff of science fiction.
	But a respected American surgeon says that within five years, are you ready for this?
	Within five years, he's going to be able to graft wings and, if you wish it, a tail onto human beings.
	Johan Hari on the bizarre world of radical plastic surgery.
	Dr. Joe Rosen is not a quack.
	He works at the acclaimed Dartmouth Medical Center, and he has a scientific, he's been a scientific advisor to NASA, so you know he's right on up there.
	He's fond of making statements like this.
	Human wings will be here.
	Mark my words.
	He believes, in all seriousness, that within five years, he's going to be able to graft wings onto a human being's body.
	This is possible because our brains adapt to create neural maps for new body parts.
	When we have a limb amputated, our neural map of that limb gradually fades away, and if we gain a body part, our neural map expands accordingly.
	If I were to give you wings, you would develop literally a winged brain.
	Our bodies change our brains, and our brains are infinitely moldable, said Rosen.
	Surgical techniques already exist, which can be used to stretch torso fat and rejig rib bones to create a wing.
	Though no human would be able to fly, he thinks, they would resemble angels and have full sensations in their new hanging bone flaps of flesh.
	Rosen has designed blueprints.
	This is the new world of radical plastic surgery where Rosen is Moses.
	He would not be content to settle merely for wings either.
	He's got his mind set on cochlear implants to enhance human hearing.
	We're already doing that, right?
	Raising as it does the prospect of superhuman soldiers and even humans with tails.
	I wonder what would we use a tail for anyway?
	However, I'm kind of interested, always have been in wings.
	Now, why he doesn't necessarily think we could fly, perhaps with a little training, well, you never know.
	If our brains really adapt to the wings, and the wings develop, and they're big enough and develop sufficient muscular ability, why we might be able to fly.
	Now, if you were promised the ultimate ability, if you really worked out a lot or how whatever you do when you get wings, would you take wings?
	I might do it.
	I think we could squeeze a call or so in here.
	Remember, coming up after the bottom of the hour, we're going to replay the infamous Area 51 pilot, the guy who flew into Area 51.
	But first, West of the Rockies.
	Jamie, you are on the air.
unidentified		Yes, Eric, how are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm spiffy.
unidentified		Good, good.
		Listen, Popular Science magazine this month, January, and I read more time.
		You got it.
		Clocks are springing forward three weeks early in March 11th and fall back a week late this year.
		Have you heard about this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		No, you haven't.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have not.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Well, this is part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, and their whole thing is it should save the energy equivalent of 100,000 barrels of oil a day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, let me get this straight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're going to change time early.
unidentified		And we're going to get a month of daylight savings time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why in the hell don't they just get rid of the change altogether?
unidentified		Well, because it's going to save us $100,000 a barrel.
unidentified		Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're missing my point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Leave it that way all year long.
unidentified		Well, I agree.
		I agree with you, Art.
		I just found it interesting that this is going to happen this year.
		I mean, aren't you sick of changing clocks?
		Well, actually, some of the clocks are supposed to change on their own nowadays.
		Well, if there are some that don't, yes, you're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I say it's a great idea, but I mean, doing it a month early just moves the pain of changing the clocks a month.
unidentified		I know.
unidentified		Well, a lot of people don't really realize that this is going to happen, and I just wanted to put it out to everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I guess we'll just have to spring forward a little early.
unidentified		And listen, this year, tornadoes are going to touch down in L.A. L.A. Yes.
		Just wanted to put that in.
		I wasn't able to get in on your predictions, but I know I'm not going to be on the record.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, you're not.
		World of weather, buddy, nothing surprises me.
		We're having like 30 and 40 mile an hour winds here in the desert right now.
		It's screaming out there.
unidentified		Yeah, it is.
		You're right.
		It's totally different out here this year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you take care.
unidentified		Okay, you too, Val.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
		That was Jamie in California.
		California has been having the same kind of winds.
		I mean, just absolutely screeching away out there.
		East of the Rockies, Jeff in Missouri.
unidentified		Thank you for taking my call.
unidentified		Happy New Year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the very same to you.
unidentified		First, nothing has really...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I think this Congress is going to try to pass that.
unidentified		It's the type of organization, that socialist organization that Democrats go for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what the Congress passes, the President can pass on.
unidentified		Yeah, but he met with Devente Fox and then President Devente Fox and the Canadian Prime Minister in Mexico back in March and signed what was the early steps is the Security Prosperation and Protection Act.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's probably inevitable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it is inevitable, I'm sure.
unidentified		And I think one of the reasons the government doesn't like the Minutemen is they would be a threat to them if they try to pull that off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they already are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're a threat to that whole concept.
unidentified		Yeah, I think that's the Minutemen would be a well-organized force already to prevent anything like that from happening i don't have a clue why we don't protect our borders i don't have a clue because that's one of the goals of because that will be one of the that's what keep the borders open like it is will help speed forward that north american union huh especially that super highway they're
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but aren't they supposed to be fighting a war on terror?
unidentified		You know, yeah.
unidentified		But what happens then?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some kind of cherry-picking war, I'll tell you.
unidentified		Yeah, what if that war on terror comes home?
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir, listen, I'm short on time.
		I've got to scoot, but I certainly agree with you.
		Coming up after the break, shortly after the break, after the bottom of the hour, we're going to play back the famous, the infamous guy who flew into Area 51.
		if you want to hear what happened to him you never did hear it keep your radio exactly where it is right now i'm art bell last fact from the high desert that's where we are i keep getting these notes from people saying where's your webcam well it does move around a little bit right now if you go to coasttocoastam.com and you look at the middle of the page and scroll down just a little bit you'll see where it says arts webcam click here not too hard once again middle of the page just go
		where it says Arts Webcam and click there.
		And there's a photograph of Aaron taking, oh, I don't know, a couple hours ago.
		Now, in a moment, and actually I want to hear it again myself.
		We had a time on this show back, I think, in 97 when a guy phoned me up in an airplane getting ready to fly right into Area 51.
		And if I recall correctly, and I think I do, I really tried to talk him out of it.
		But it's been a long time, and I'd kind of like to hear it myself.
		So hopefully you have prepared your tape recorders, recording equipment, whatever, because this really is a very rare clip.
		Coming up in a moment, the man who took on Area 51.
		All right, I'm still getting notes saying the webcam isn't there.
		Yes, it is.
		Now, what may be happening is that your system is using cache.
		In other words, your own computer stores some cache, and you've got to get rid of that.
		You go in, and there's a way to go in, depending on what browser you're using, and eliminate the cache.
		Then it will be forced to reload the new information.
		That's the only reason I can imagine you would not be finding it.
		All right, what you are about to hear is classic coast-to-coast AM, to be sure.
		It's a long time ago, I think 1997.
		The first thing you're going to hear is this man, his girlfriend, sent me a fax.
		That was back in the day when I took faxes directly.
		And apparently, she was urging me to clear out a line so that I could get his call.
		Now, I remember the girlfriend.
		In fact, after the whole thing, we got other faxes from the girlfriend because, well, I don't want to give away what's going to happen.
		Let's go ahead and play the clip and roll your recorders right now.
		Network, roll it.
		I want to read you a fax that I've got here.
		And I would like everybody to not call my wild card line.
		Please, if you're calling the wild card line, hang up.
		And I'm going to tell you why.
		Here's what I've got.
		Art, answer the wild card line.
		My boyfriend is in a small plane north of Las Vegas and is ready to fly into Area 51.
		He has been trying to call you by cell phone.
		Now, it's signed by a name, and I'm not going to give that name, so I will know when the person, the right person, calls me on the phone.
		But whether or not you're able to get through to me, I would like to tell you that two things may occur if you try to fly into Area 51.
		One, you will be forced down and interrogated and probably arrested as the least case.
		Or worst case, you will be shot down.
		And so I'm telling you, you should not do this.
		But if you're already in the air and you really want to call in, you go ahead and call me now on the wild card line.
		And if you verify the person who signed their name here at the bottom, I will verify you as the person who sent the fax or the name.
		the boyfriend of that person and i will put you on the air uh.
		Again, let me tell you, Art, answer the wildcard line.
		My boyfriend is in a small plane north of Las Vegas, ready to fly into Area 51.
		He's been trying to call you by cell phone.
		And here he is.
		You're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello there.
unidentified		Is this Art Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir, it is.
unidentified		My name, I won't give you my last name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, wait a minute, sir.
		Hold on.
		The facts is signed by somebody named who?
unidentified		Jill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jill, that is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you are the one.
unidentified		That's my girlfriend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Well, I'm up here from Fort Worth.
		It's my little airplane.
		It's a long easy I built myself.
		It's a Bert Route 10 design.
		But the Ford Canard, I'm not sure if you know at the time.
		It's an experimental aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not.
unidentified		It's not, but not anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, tell me about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of airplane is it?
unidentified		Well, it's a long easy.
		It's got 120 horsepower like coming in it, but we had it forward stroke and fixed it up a little bit.
		It usually flies around 140, 160 indicated airspeed.
		I'm right now at 7,000 feet.
		You know where this place called Indian Springs is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indian Springs, yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, I've been flying now for about 45, 49 minutes here between 80, is that what you call it?
		And Indian Springs.
		And I figured I'd just go on up here and try to get into this Area 51.
		I'm right south of this badass death site or Dallas Air Force Base.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen to me.
unidentified		I'm right outside this restricted zone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen to me.
		When you fly into that zone, they are going to either force you down or shoot you down.
		Don't you know that?
unidentified		Well, you know, I've been in a lot of Air Force bases, and I've been in the Air Force for many years.
		I'm ex-Air Force, but I'm just going to tell you that, you know, as American citizens, we have the right to know what's up there in this area 51.
		And I've been listening to you boys talk about this.
		Hold on here.
		I'm making a turn.
		Just a sec here.
		And I'm going to go on up there and see what's going on.
		And I just wanted to let you know about that before I do that, don't you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long do you estimate it's going to be before you?
unidentified		I'd say about 14, 12, 14 minutes.
		I can crank this baby up a little bit here.
		Let's do that.
		Let's crank this thing on up.
		We've got some pretty good mountains here off to my west, don't you know?
		I'm turning up north right now, and I can see the Air Force base out there in the distance.
		It's got three runways.
		It looks like they're all lit up.
		And A-shaped.
		It's like north-south.
		Got a lot of desert up here, don't you, boys?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of desert, yes.
unidentified		A lot of desert up here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're liable to get yourself killed.
unidentified		I'm sorry, sir, you have to speak a little loud.
unidentified		I cranked this engine all the way up here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I won't get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said you're liable to get yourself killed.
unidentified		Well, we'll get up there in a few minutes, yeah, and we're just going to see what's going to happen because this is an update.
		And maybe they're going to think that I'm on some kind of a mercy flight, and I'm just off work.
		And I've got the radios cut off because you can have radio failure, don't you know?
		And so I'm going to hold this thing steady here about around 65, 6,8, 100 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why are you doing this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why are you doing this?
unidentified		I'm going to get to the bottom of this.
		I'm an American.
		My family has been American for years, and I want to get down in here, and I want to find out what's happening here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then why are you doing it at night?
unidentified		Because that's the best way to get in here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But even if you manage to overfly the area, what?
unidentified		I'm in the restricted zone.
		I just entered the restricted zone.
		I see a bunch of lights out there.
		Looks like some kind of a searchlight coming off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in the restricted zone now?
unidentified		I just crossed that restricted zone.
unidentified		I'm going to drop this base down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you, you're going to get shot down.
unidentified		It's not like it's yet, but it helps when I make them tight turns here.
		And I'm going to cut down here.
		Now, let's see what these boys are going to do.
		I don't see anybody coming up here yet.
		I just see a bunch of lights.
		But I'm pretty far from that Area 54.
		I figure about another 8-9 minutes here.
		And it's hard to calculate it right now trying to talk to you.
		I'm trailing Antenna out here about 30 feet so I can keep this phone conversation.
		If we get cut off, then but I'm going to go up here and see what's going on.
		They say there's a bunch of UFOs and there's all kinds of things out here.
		I want to get this safety route down here about 1,000 feet.
		And we're going to see if there's any UFOs or anything out here what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I think you're making a mistake.
unidentified		Well, sir, I might be, you know, but you know, our tax dollars pay for all this.
unidentified		And this boys, they've been hiding everything under all this black project and all this trade funding and all this kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't you think, don't you?
		Sir, hold it, hold it, hold it.
		Don't you think that we have a right to national security secrets?
unidentified		I think we have, not really, because you know they have these K-11 and K-15 satellites up there, and the Ruskis, they know what we're doing, and the Chinese, they've got satellites down here.
		They know what's going on.
		The only thing that don't know what's going on is the common folks like me and you.
		And us common folks got a right to know because we're funding all this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long have you been planning this?
unidentified		I got this thing down here about 1,000 feet.
		I've been planning this thing now.
		I'm right on the deck, not quite on the deck.
		I'm at 1,000 feet.
		Boy, they got my boat popping up everywhere.
		I'm telling you, they got search devices, about four of them on here.
		And I've been planning this now for anywhere from a month to six weeks.
		It took me a while to paint up the plane because I had to use that Emron.
		It's the only thing that sticks to this gel coat I got on.
		This thing's built out of Kempar and carpet fiber.
		I got it dressed 8G positive, 10G negative, just overbuilt.
		I tell you what, I want to get down here and sperm like a little frog that's been stepped on by big dogs when I get down here.
		A few minutes here, I'll tell you that.
		Because I'm not going to.
		Hey, looks like there's an F-16 coming up here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't be surprised.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're making a mistake.
unidentified		I'm scrambling somebody down there.
		He's got some afterburners on because I can see him.
		He's about five miles out.
		That old boy is cranking.
		Yes, sir.
		And I see something opening up here on the ground.
		I'm pretty low now.
		I'm starting to pick up all kinds of buildings down here.
		I see something here as level with the ground.
		They're opening this thing up.
		There looks like something's coming up out of that.
		I can't tell you what it is.
		It must be on some kind of a.
		Hold on here.
		I got to make this turn.
		I think this old boy is going to head up here for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't be surprised.
unidentified		Oh, he'll go up here right directly because he's in F-16.
		Sure as hell.
		He's coming.
		Hold on here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would advise you to turn your...
unidentified		Hold on in here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would advise you to turn on your radio.
unidentified		Come on, baby.
		We can do this now.
		Come on here.
		Hold on.
		This old boy's coming up here.
		Now, he's got his lights.
		He's got his lights on and he's flashing me.
		No radio.
		He don't know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if I were you, I'd turn it on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe you're making a bad calculation because if they're not listening, you're going to be shot down.
unidentified		I don't know what he's going to do here.
		He's rocking his wings at me right now.
		He's rocking his wings and he's cutting in front of me.
		And he knows it's, oh, don't cut in front of me now.
		So if he cuts that close, stay off.
		Stay off.
		Here's the vortex from his engine.
		I'm cutting with the engine.
		We're going to, just like twin tornadoes, if he gets too close, stay off, boy.
		Hold on there.
		I'm getting down on the deck.
		I'm going in.
		I'm getting down here.
		He ain't going to get me.
		I'm bent down there.
		Ain't going to get me there.
		They didn't get me over there.
		They're not going to get me over there now.
		There's got some kind of railgun coming up out of that elevator, that flat area over there that the doors opened up.
		It's got some kind of weird-looking barrel on it with a light.
		And, oh, hell, they're doing something.
		They're shooting at me now.
		Oh, God.
		No, baby, I'm going in.
		I think I'm going in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I can tell you this.
		He was never heard from again.
		We heard from his girlfriend.
		We had some follow-up faxes.
		But as far as I know, that man is just plain missing.
		He's gone.
		So there it was.
		That was the infamous Area 51 flight.
		Narray another word, not one other word in all these years.
		So I can only presume, well, you can presume the following.
		One, it was a hoax.
		None of the listeners at the time, now some of the audio is not quite what it was.
		You could certainly hear the engines, and you could hear a kind of a whine that is associated with transmissions made that way.
		And you could hear a number of things that made most of my listeners at the time respond that they thought it was genuine.
		So it could be a hoax.
		Or he could have been shot down and be dead as a doornail.
		Or he could have been captured, I suppose, and had his life threatened in any number of ways should he ever say anything.
		So I have no way of knowing what the follow-up is on that or was.
		There simply was none.
		All right, back to the lines.
		West of the Rockies.
		You are on the air, Jim, in Washington.
unidentified		Good evening.
unidentified		Boy, that's quite a recording.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		Oh, man.
unidentified		Well, that's too bad about the guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is, but you can't say I didn't warn him.
unidentified		That's true.
		That's true.
		That was silly on his part, frankly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
unidentified		Hey, last night, they were talking about Marsa, that Staphylococcus.
		I want to say Staphylococcus.
		It's not a staph infection.
		Yes.
		They were saying that they haven't been able to find the strongest antibiotic doesn't seem to work.
		I get these newsletters.
		I subscribe to them.
		And one of them suggested using honey, making a poultice out of honey, wrapping the wound with this poultice and applying honey to it.
		And they seem to indicate that it worked pretty good of stopping this staph infection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		But it spreads very, very, very quickly.
		And by the way, it's not the only thing that is immune to all the known antibiotics we have right now.
		There are more and more infections and things that are simply immune to the very latest that we try and make every time we run into something new.
		We try and get a new antibiotic that will kill it.
		But I just have this sinking feeling that nature is going to win this particular battle as time goes on.
		One never knows.
		Science is doing its very best, but it is not easy.
		And in the end, it may be the little things that get us.
		Let's go to Wildcard Lines.
		Hey, Richard in New York, you're on there.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		Good to talk to you.
		That was quite a recording, you paid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir, it was.
unidentified		Welcome back, and Happy New Year, and all that good stuff.
		I called because I was setting up my little Sea Crane burst recorder to record your program.
		I usually don't stay up this late.
		And I know you've been talking a lot about the Chicago lights, you know, they saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I set it by Fox News, and the O'Reilly report was on.
		And he's got a little section on his thing where he takes, like, you know, wacko stories, crazy stories.
		And he says, he said, by the way, he says, as to those lights in the sky, he said, supposedly they saw lights over Chicago.
		And he said, I don't think any flying sources could land there because they have trouble landing planes there.
		And he said, also, there are lights over Colorado and Nevada, which the news said today, all these lights are a Russian spaceship that broke up and no debris hit the ground except for a single junk in Nevada.
		So he lumped the two together.
		You know what I mean?
		Yes.
		It's just really, I mean, they try and try and try to just get the general public to get, you know, it's funny.
		On one hand, they let all this stuff on the History Channel and stuff if they're controlling the media saying that, you know, all these things about the Roswell that's in Canada and the Roswell in Mexico and the Roswell in England and all this different stuff about flying sauces.
		And that's on the media.
		But when it comes to a legitimate report where hundreds of people actually saw these lights over Chicago, it's played off like a little, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And everybody begins to have severe memory problems.
unidentified		Yeah, I got a feeling.
		I didn't get in on your lines to, you know, make predictions because it didn't come to me psychically or anything.
		But I have a really strong feeling that in 2007, sometime this year, we're going to get definitive proof, not definitive proof, I would say irrefutable proof of either a UFO or a USO, you know, an undersea one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That's going to be seen by a cruise ship or it's going to be something flying so low that there'll be such a mass sighting, like they had in Mexico, that kind of a thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, United Airline pilots pilots, mind you, swear they saw a mysterious, quoting here, saucer-shaped craft hovering over O'Hare.
		But everybody else, well, everybody else has memory problems.
		They don't recollect anything about that.
		They didn't see anything like that.
		Oh, please.
		Coming up in a moment, my co-author and very good friend, Whitley Streeber.
		I'm Art Bell from the High Desert, the great American Southwest in the Darkness.
		How you doing, everybody?
		I am Art Bell.
		Coming up, Whitley Streeber.
		He's the author of many best-selling novels and works of nonfiction and four movies that have been made from his books.
		Most recently, the 2004 mega hit The Day After Tomorrow, based on the novel Superstorm, written by Whitley and some radio host.
		Among his best-known novels are The Wolfen and The Hunger, which were both made into films, and of course the mega bestseller about his own close encounters, Communion.
		His most recent book, The Grays, is a thriller about what happens when aliens land.
		It is now being made into a film by Sony Pictures.
		Did you know that?
		In 1999, he co-produced with Mark Wolper a special for MDC based on his book Confirmation.
		At present, he and Mark are both producing a remake of Wolfen for A ⁇ E. His website, unknowncountry.com, is the most popular edge science website in the world.
		His weekly internet radio program, Dreamland, is among the most popular of all internet broadcasts.
		That's fact.
		Dreamland.
		So happy to see it continue.
		What a program.
		Coming up in just a moment, Whitley Strieber.
		Well, all right, as promised, here is Whitley Striber.
		Hey, Whit.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Will, Art, welcome back, and welcome to Aaron, too.
		It's great that you guys are back in the United States.
		I have to tell you that.
		I'm very excited to come up and see you as soon as we can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so very much, Whit.
		Well, I said when I left that I would spend anywhere between eight months and a year there and make a decision, and that's exactly what I did.
		And, of course, we did all the paperwork to properly immigrate Aaron.
		And so we're giving it a shot here, and we'll see how we like it.
		Now, the desert right now is screaming.
		We're getting 40, 45 mile an hour gusts of wind again.
		And it's just really wicked, Whitley.
		I'm telling you, it's wicked here.
		Listen, before we dive into the weather, I've got a fast blast from Daniel here in Ohio who said, is Whitley still visited by the Grays?
		When was his last encounter with them?
		Could you get him to speak just a little bit about the Grays tonight?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		I haven't had, I don't think I've had a close encounter in quite a long time.
		You know, when I left New York State in 1997, the experience sort of followed me, but then it didn't.
		There was not much after that.
		There was a close encounter of some sort.
		I've never known whether exactly what it was happening in June of 1999, and I wrote a little book about it called The Key, but it was with a person who just had a really remarkable mind and a way of, they showed up at my hotel room in the middle of the night at 3 o'clock in the morning, which was pretty impressive because nobody, you know, how did they know I was even there?
		I had thought, I'd been confused and thought it was a room service waiter, and it turned out to be this guy that had some extraordinary things to say, which, as I say, I recorded in this book.
		And I'd never known who or what he was.
		I've never been able to find him since then.
		And so that's really the last big thing that happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whitney, I not very long ago interviewed a remarkable man who had...
		I extended the show to five hours.
		It was an abduction experience.
		Did you catch that program?
unidentified		Yeah, I might have.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Who was this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think his name was Jim Sparks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think his name was Jim Sparks.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Jim Sparks, yes, I'm familiar with this case.
		In fact, I think I've interviewed Jim myself.
		If not, Linda has on my show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it's remarkable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is a remarkable man with a remarkable memory.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, he has a better memory of it than anyone I've known.
		There is another man that Linda just recently interviewed for us.
		The interview will be appearing on Dreamland, I believe, next week or the week after, who is a lawyer and apparently a very prominent lawyer who interviewed anonymously, who also, like Jim Sparks, has got extensive memories of what happened to him.
		And most people really don't.
		My first experience with this thing was an abduction, or the first one I remembered, let me put it that way, in late 1985.
		But then after that, for the next 11 years, there was no, I don't remember any abductions at all.
		It was a lot of, I went out in the woods and encountered them, and I used to have groups of people up at the cabin, and there would be group encounters where they would come and there'd be 10 or 12 people here.
		And that was the sort of thing that we did there.
		And they seemed to be connected somehow with that immediate area.
		In other words, when you left there, they didn't follow you.
		It was very odd.
		I was left wondering what they really were.
		I'll give you an example.
		A lady called Raven Dana, who's spoken about it publicly, who had an encounter in our house, said at first she had the feeling that it was like a little animal.
		And that was exactly the way I would feel when they were around me, because even though after a few seconds you would see this was no animal that we know in our world, it wasn't, when you're face to face with them and you're totally conscious, they're not, they just seem very human at all.
		Let me put it that way.
		There's not a lot about them.
		You would not think of them as being something that came out of a UFO or you even possessed a spaceship.
		And yet, you know, what are they?
		Where did they come from?
		How could anything look like that?
		And then suddenly it touches you or looks into your eyes, and it's like opening up the soul of God or something.
		It's appalling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, it's very intriguing to me that they are territorial.
		In other words, one would imagine and does imagine they're interested in genetic research.
		They're following people, even families from generation to generation.
		They seem to be.
		Okay, then why in the world, if you move, would they not move with you?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I think in most, many cases, they do move with people because one of the things we learned very quickly when we were in touch with a lot of abductees is that these were people on the move.
		They didn't stay in one place very long.
		When you were communicating with a group of 2,000 or 3,000 abductees, you'd have like 40% of them moving house every year.
		They would not stay in the same place.
		And this was because they would get relief from it.
		And they would move.
		And for a few months, it would be fun.
		And it would start happening again, and they would move again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But they didn't follow me.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		They didn't follow me.
		Absolutely not.
		They did not follow me.
		They tried to follow me, but they did not.
		And it did not work.
		There were a couple of incidents when we moved down to Texas.
		Pretty intense.
		But over time, it gradually faded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, Jim Sparks' line of thinking, Wit, is that the Grays are not from another planetary system somewhere, but probably from our own future.
		And my God, it made so much sense to me when you look at their line of investigation and what they're doing, and you look at what we're doing right now.
		You can well imagine that in the future, the human race may slowly morph into something not so pleasant.
		Mr. Sparks made reference to the fact that one in 166 children now, and all of a sudden I'm seeing it on the news, incidentally, on CNN, and everybody else is talking about autism, how bad it is.
		It was one in 10,000, then it was one in 5,000, and a few years later, it's one in 166.
		That's a big change.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, and there was a story on our website a couple of weeks ago about that to the effect that apparently some scientists have discovered that it's essentially there's a gene in certain people that makes them susceptible as children to heavy metal poisoning.
		And so these kids were being affected by the mercury that used to be a preservative in vaccines.
		And whether there are more people being born with that gene or there's more heavy metal pollution around, which is probably the case, I don't know.
		But yeah, we could morph into something completely different over time, obviously.
		But, you know, I have a feeling.
		I've often thought when, you know, there's always something about these experiences with them that takes it into a kind of another realm.
		And you're left, well, like, for example, when we had people up to the house, and I would warn people, you know, don't touch them because it's a very big allergic reaction.
		And some people would touch them, and they would, you know, their faces would get all puffed up the next day.
		And I thought it was dangerous.
		I had epinephrine injectors all over the house so that in case somebody went into anaphylactic shock, which was initially a fear I had until I went to an allergist and really got control of the situation.
		But in any case, if you were from the future, one of the things you would be, the main thing you would be coming back to the past, presumably, to do, would be to change your own present.
		So you would want to make the physics of it would make you need to be as unlike what you really were as you possibly could.
		The more you were like something that never existed and never could exist, the more freedom of action you would have in the past, I think.
		And maybe what these things are are constructions that are created biological entities that never existed in our reality at all and are being sent back from the future in an attempt to make changes because maybe it's an end game for them.
		Maybe they are in a situation where they have no choice but to try to change the past in order to survive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which means it's an end game for us.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, it is.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we are at the beginning of the end game and the way things are going, I mean, when we wrote Superstorm, hell, I thought we were 25 years away from where we are now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
		It is one of the more Predictive books, I think, that has ever been written.
		And I get feedback on that daily.
		All right, well, let's move.
		Yeah, I'm sure.
		Let's move to the weather.
		It's very easy, Wit, when you're sitting here in the desert with cold winds screaming for anybody, including myself, to say, global warming?
		Who are you kidding?
		It's absolutely freezing here.
		Now, I get that again and again.
		People say it's not real.
		How do you respond to them?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, what you have to look at is the weather extremes, and they are absolutely awesome.
		What is going on?
		Because what we're looking at, the media calls it global warming.
		What we are looking at is something that you and I in Superstorm called sudden climate change, and that's a much more accurate way of describing it.
		I'll give you an example.
		Today in Louisiana, two people were killed by tornadoes.
		They are worried about flooding in New Orleans again, not from a hurricane, but from massive thunderstorms.
		Now, here's the problem with that.
		It's January.
		It is not October.
		It is not April.
		This is not the season for that kind of weather in the United States, anywhere in the United States.
		The reason it's happening now in this country is that it's too warm down there.
		It's like autumn weather down there, and they have these northers blowing through and building up these huge thunderstorms at a time of the year when that shouldn't even be happening.
		But it is.
		And the kind of rains and flooding and the extraordinary storms that hit the Pacific Northwest this fall were completely off the wall.
		They were outside the record books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		That's what keeps coming down here and whacking us.
		Now, with regard to New Orleans, that should be a spring occurrence, spring into or fall.
		But spring into early summer is typically, and then, of course, the fall.
		And what it is, is simply a collision of warm air and cold air.
		at this time of year, that should be occurring far south of New Orleans, not as far north as New Orleans.
		Yeah, that means there's warm air where it ought not be at this time of year.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And we have, well, like, you look around the world at Australia.
		Right now in Australia, Western Australia, which is where Perth and so forth are, is enduring spectacular storms from the remains of Typhoon Isabel that are just really hitting them hard.
		Meanwhile, Eastern Australia, Sydney and so forth, have got the worst drought they've maybe ever had.
		And those are the kinds of extremes that are just epidemic throughout the world.
		I mean, you saw when you were in Manila, you saw one of those typhoons.
		That's a country that takes 20 typhoons a year.
		They're used to it.
		But these were beyond, they were outside of the envelope, which is why.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Literally, I watch things happen.
		I watched typhoons that were tropical storms one day and super typhoons the next day.
		No joke.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That's not unusual.
		That sort of thing is happening all over the world.
		Well, I'll give you an example.
		There's an El Niño taking place in the Pacific right now.
		That is supposed to be something that will cause it to get a lot drier in the Pacific Northwest.
		They are saying that this is the weirdest El Niño they have ever seen because it's generating the most powerful Pineapple Express almost that they've ever seen.
		It shouldn't be.
		It should be doing the opposite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you and I originally wrote the book, scientists were extremely divided.
		And there was a lot of laughing and a lot of chuckling going on at the kind of thing that we predicted.
		Now, in the years between the writing of the penning of that book and now, now we have a situation where nearly all of the scientists agree.
		There's almost unanimous opinion that what we've said is coming true.
		Not the superstorms yet, but the terrible global warming is now well underway.
		And I think there's almost no division on it anymore.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		No, except for politics.
		Oh, well.
		I mean, there are people who have political agendas.
		And I mean, companies with, you know, there's a lot of companies out there who are responding very positively to the problem.
		Like Walmart, for example, is going in a big way for low-voltage electric lights.
		And that's important because that's a huge, huge company, and it can make a big difference.
		So they do care.
		But there are other companies who basically fear that the way they do business will be changed in ways that are negative to them if people believe this.
		And so you have this fake debate on global warming when there is really no debate.
		It's the scientific results have been in for years.
		And the fact of the matter is that it is happening.
		Partly it's a natural cycle that we can't control.
		Partly, though, it has to do with this medium-sized volcano that Keeps erupting all the time, 24 hours a day around the whole planet.
		It's called the human race.
		All of the fire that we burn in dozens of different ways inside automobiles, inside our homes, ins this is all we fire is what we use.
		This is what we live by.
		We live by fire.
		We are a fire using and controlling species.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there, Whitley.
		We're at a breakpoint.
		A medium-sized one, huh?
		Medium-sized volcano.
		That would be us.
		From the high desert?
		I'm Art Bell with Whitley Streeber.
		Does feel good to hear that again from the Kingdom of Nai.
		Whitley Streeber is my guest, and we're discussing, well, we're discussing the weather.
		And there really is something very, very, very much wrong with the weather.
		We'll get back to it if you'll just stay right where you are.
		All right.
		When I was in the Philippines, and as you know, I just got back, it was one storm, one typhoon after another after another after another.
		And as I mentioned, one day there would be tropical storms out to the east of us by 150 miles.
		Next day, they would be super typhoons just headed straight at us.
		It was really, really frightening.
		Whitley, at the same time, there had been predicted an awful year for the East Coast, but it didn't happen.
		It all happened out in the Pacific.
		How did they get it so wrong?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, because we have gone beyond the edge in terms of the climate.
		The climate is no longer really predictable.
		It is chaotic.
		And all we can say about it is that it's going to do the unexpected.
		We do know that if the present hurricane cycle holds true, that there will be years with severe hurricanes in the future.
		In fact, the head of the National Hurricane Center just resigned after 34 years, and he's always been a kind of a soft-spoken guy, and he basically said that the southeastern United States is taking its life in its hands right now, that there could be a much worse storm than Katrina sometime in the next 10 years.
		He didn't quite say superstorm, but he came as close as you can without actually saying that word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that word is filled with a lot of it is, but a lot of meaning, a lot of.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It's got a lot of weight because when we started out, I mean, I remember going out on the radio, I mean, going out on TV and stuff and being scoffed at pretty much by people who I thought at the time were idiots, and I still do.
		And it was unpleasant for both of us.
		And what was astonishing, though, is to see the way the world weather systems began to set themselves up for just what we were afraid of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder how many people remember that interview that we did with Matt Lauer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I remember it, certainly.
		God, my guy.
		What an arrogant man.
		My word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you remember, Whitley, I had an opportunity to go back on the program, and I got him.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		You sure did.
		Yeah, that was beautiful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, you know, it's karma.
		So, yeah, everybody was laughing at it then.
		They're not laughing now.
		And as I said, they're kind of coming together on it.
		The question in everybody's mind, or most minds out there, is where do we go from here and how quickly?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, the thing is that it's happening so much more quickly than we thought.
		Like, we have the situation where the ice sheets, the Antarctic ice sheet is becoming unstable.
		The Greenland glaciers are melting in just astonishing amounts of fresh water pouring into the whole Northern Ocean from Greenland every spring and summer.
		The extent of the polar ice cap is going, it's moving back so quickly, much more quickly than we had expected.
		They're worried about whether or not polar bears can even survive.
		And we're looking in the lifetime of a lot of people in a situation where the summers are going to have no ice at all on the North Pole.
		And what this does to this planet is, in a word, it changes everything.
		But there is building in both North America and in Europe just what we feared, which is like right now, just yesterday was the first time there has been snow in the Alps this year.
		If you can imagine, you're going to Switzerland to ski in November and December, and there's no snow.
		It's unheard of.
		Unheard of.
		And yet they're having this heat.
		And what is dangerous about this is Europe's weather is controlled by the Gulf Stream.
		And the Gulf Stream is pumping warm air up across the eastern United States, Newfoundland, eastern Canada, and then over into England and into Europe.
		It is controlled, or was, that was, by 12 great flows of water, warm water being drawn up from the south into the colder northern water.
		And this was what was pushing the Gulf Stream.
		The last time scientists looked at this, two of these great currents were still flowing.
		If they stop, then everything changes in a matter of time.
		Ten.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ten of them stopped.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Ten of them.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Ten of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only two continue.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Only two.
		And the Gulf Stream is much weaker than it used to be.
		It is weaker.
		And it's not going to stop suddenly.
		It's a massive, massive flow of water.
		But it will stop the way things are going now.
		And when it does, we are going to be in a situation where these areas like Europe, where it is so warm now, they are going to be experiencing an extreme example of what just happened yesterday or is happening today in Louisiana of very,
		very intense weather systems developing and complex weather systems developing of a kind we really haven't seen before, but we do know exist.
		They happen.
		I'll tell you a little bit about when they have happened in the past.
		The Byrd Polar Research Institute has been examining glaciers in Peru, and they found a glacier.
		And this is true of a lot of the Peruvian glaciers.
		When you drill down to the bedrock below the glacier, what you find there is so astonishing.
		You find plants, temperate zone plants, like that might be in your own backyard, not yours in the desert, but most of them.
		And quick frozen, like they freeze plants, like they freeze vegetables to sell them as frozen food.
		That frozen that fast.
		And then those glaciers, those plants are frozen a matter of five minutes or less, so much so that their cells are still intact.
		The leaves are still green.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that means they froze instantly, virtually instantly, and they did not, and they never thought out.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		5,200 years after that day, they still have not thought out.
		Now, we do not know what kind of a storm it is that comes up, that causes things like that to happen.
		We know it exists because we can see its results.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it might have been a storm that initially did it, but it's a permanent or semi-permanent change that maintained it.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That's the part we don't get.
		What could start with a storm where temperatures plummet over five minutes, and then 5,000 years later, a glacier is still sitting there?
		What did it?
		How did it work?
		We don't know.
		But we are tempting it again.
		Because if you look at that in Peru, then you move to Switzerland.
		And there is Utzi, the ice man.
		Remember he was found when this glacier was melting a few months, a few years ago, Valentine?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And they found this Stone Age man with his completely perfect, his clothing and everything was intact.
		He had been frozen and trapped in the glacier for all of those years, and then finally it thawed and they found the body.
		Now, he was moving through an alpine meadow, a meadow, when it began to snow.
		He was injured and moving slow.
		He'd been attacked by somebody, and he had some wounds, and he was overtaken by the snow.
		You know when that happened?
		About 5,200 years ago.
		The same time this thing was happening in Peru, approximately.
		So what was it that filled that alpine meadow with snow that didn't melt until 10 years ago?
		What did it back then?
		This is the kind of thing we really do need to find out.
		We don't know what climate change means.
		We don't know how powerful nature actually is.
		But we do know that there are things about nature and climate on this planet that are so much more powerful than anything we have experienced in recorded history.
unidentified		We better find out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any way to find out?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think so.
		And I think that we're really in a race.
		Are we going to figure this thing out and do what we can to control it in time or not?
		And part of it has to do with computer power.
		And it's not that people aren't trying.
		It's that we have lacked the computing power necessary to build climate models that really are predictive and that actually work, that would tell us answers to questions like this.
		But that's changing because the amount of computing power on this planet is growing exponentially every year.
		And we are getting to the point where there is enough concentration of memory to build these really complicated, really immense models with billions upon billions of data points where you begin to do weather in these models that actually does come out like weather we're seeing around us.
		And once we know that, we can start to understand this system a little bit more.
		But the problem is, as I said earlier, we're beyond the edge of the envelope right now.
		When you have weather events like we're experiencing on this planet right now, you're beyond the edge of the envelope.
		When you're talking about droughts that are unlike anything we've ever seen, an El Niño that works backwards, it's crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, well, by the way, our own weather forecast here, I hesitate to even call it that.
		A friend and I were talking the other day and saying, you know, it seems not so much like a weather forecast as it does weather observation as it happens.
		They call it.
		And that's fine.
		But the forecast, even out a day or two, just doesn't seem to be working.
		It's more like they're observing and reporting.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		The forecasting element in a lot of different parts of the world is getting, well, like in England, they have just a few weeks ago, they had a tornado in London.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I recall.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, how weird is that?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, it certainly wasn't predicted by the Met, that's for sure.
		No one predicted a tornado in London.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		But it's a, you know, the thing is, the other thing is it happens with people are thinking, well, there's nothing we can do about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm one of those people, Whitley.
		That's where you and I start to differ.
		If we figure it out, if we got enough computer power and we determined what kind of change was going on right now, my bet would be that we can't do a damn thing about it.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if that's true or not.
		I think that we're going to experience a lot of climate change.
		There's no question about that.
		Whether or not we can do things like reduce, you know, it doesn't take much to significantly reduce our carbon output, our CO2 output.
		A couple of years ago, about 10 years ago, the Canadian Prime Minister issued something called the Canadian Prime Minister's Challenge, which was a they made a list of everything that you could do to reduce your carbon emissions.
		And it was really amazing what you could do.
		And we have on Unknown Country, if you click on the Quick Watch and go down to the bottom of the page, that's on the left side of the left column of the page, of the home page, you will find a list of simple things you can do.
		Like one of them, which is one of the Walmart has gotten involved in, as I said earlier, switch two standard light bulbs to fluorescence.
		You save 1,000 pounds of carbon emissions a year by doing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a lot of money.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And a lot of money.
		And think if 100 million households throughout the Western world and in places now like in China where they're organized enough to be able to do a thing like that did it.
		That's an enormous, that alone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, North America already, to be honest with you, Whedley, North America is not doing badly.
		We're doing a lot, lot better.
		But we are only North America, and from a world perspective, we're a pretty little piece of the whole picture.
		Frankly, if you look at, for example, I just came from the Philippines.
		It's a mess.
		The air is a mess beyond what you can even imagine.
		Try going to Bangkok, where you can't breathe the air.
		China, where the industrialization is beyond all belief.
		a lot of Asia and a lot of Eastern Europe, absolutely a mess.
		So North America is not going...
		We're already helping.
		We're not doing badly.
		We're doing a lot better.
		But frankly, Whitley, in the rest of the world, it's a mess.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're right, Art, and it is a mess.
		But at the same time, there are things that we can do.
		And I agree with you.
		I'll tell you, in the next hour, we're going to get into some astonishing information about the relatively distant past about what can happen on this planet and what it can be like.
		And the larger scale of sort of where we are now and where we're going that is of absolutely amazing stuff that's recently been discovered.
		But we have to try to do what we can, obviously.
		And there is the other side of the coin, and that is that the United States remains the largest we generate more CO2 than any other country in the world per capita, even than China, I mean, because they're simply not as rich as we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right now, but they're catching up.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		They're catching up very quickly.
		But there's two things happening.
		The country is also becoming better organized.
		I mean, there was a time, even 10 years ago, when you couldn't do anything to change things in China.
		But that's not true now.
		You can begin to reach people in China.
		And the Chinese government is beginning to show some concern about the levels of pollution in that country because you're looking there at a country that could literally break down.
		I mean, its whole water infrastructure could fail.
		Already, there is literally no food grown in China that would be considered fit for human consumption in the United States because it's so full of pesticides and pollutants.
		Now, you think about that.
		It's amazing.
		It's absolutely amazing that it would be that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm giving Walmart points too, but remember, Walmart is one of the biggest consumers of Chinese manufactured items in the world.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		This is true, and at the expense of maybe of American workers as well.
		And I know that.
		So there's a lot going on that's hopeful.
		But I'm not going to be a Pollyanna.
		I'm not going to, you know, I agree with you, I think we're going to go through a lot of change and we're going to have this experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we're going to have a little bit of a rest.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		We'll be right back.
		Whitley Strieber is my guest from the high desert.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Seasons don't fear the Reaper.
		That's right.
		They don't.
		Interesting phenomena.
		As you know, I just got back from the Philippines, and there you're near the equator.
		And I had totally forgotten.
		I guess I adjusted.
		And of course, my new wife had never been to a land where there were seasons before.
		And here at 4 or 4, you know, 4.30 or so, it begins to get dark.
		Well, when you're at the equator, that doesn't happen.
		It's the same all year long, roughly the same time for the sun to come up in the morning, go down in the evening.
		And you come to North America, and oh, my gosh, it's entirely different.
		And Aaron just couldn't believe it.
		The sun's going down, and it's getting cold already.
		When the sun goes down in the desert, it gets cold very quickly.
		Whitley Streeber is my guest.
		He's going to describe what's happened to our Earth in the past.
		Now, it's indeed the past.
		And it was the past when these medium-sized volcanoes really didn't have a whole lot to do with whatever the mixture was that created that giant change.
unidentified		That coming up in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One very quick question before we dip into the distant past.
		Whitley, our sun is doing some strange things.
		The scientists are beginning to forecast that we're going to have one of the largest, if not the largest solar cycle directly ahead of us that we've ever had in recorded history.
		Does that play a part in this?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It must, Art.
		We've had just in the past couple of weeks one of the strangest huge sunspots that's ever been seen.
		It started out, normally a sunspot is a, actually it's a much hotter area on the surface of the sun, but it looks black and dark.
		This started out as a kind of ring.
		And it was an unusual solar phenomenon.
		In addition, during the last solar cycle, every 11 years, the sun's magnetic field shifts, and the North Pole and the South Pole shift, something that happens on Earth over a period of hundreds of thousands of years.
		But this time, it didn't do it right.
		It sort of half shifted and kind of stayed in an easy way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's where it is now.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Where it is now.
		And we've subsequently, we've been having sunspots, big sunspots, and even an X-class solar flare during the solar minimum, which is quite unusual just a few weeks ago.
		And so we're not really having a solar minimum.
		And some people who study the interiors of the sun and the way the interior of the sun rotates have concluded that we are going to see the biggest solar max, and ironically coming, guess when, in 2011 and 2012, maybe in history.
		And, you know, I mean, that gets us into a whole nother and utterly fascinating area of the relationship between 2012 and all of these changes.
		Because how can it be that the Maya called it the way they have?
		And it's clear that whether it was luck or just or what it was exactly, we are going to be in an extraordinarily unusual and chaotic situation in 2012.
		There's no point in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've always wondered, Whitley, whether the Maya actually knew that this was going to happen or whether the guy who was making calendars just got sick of it.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I don't know the answer to that.
		We're going to talk about that in a couple of minutes.
		You know, before we go into the past, I thought it would be interesting to run down just the extreme weather events for the United States that happened in 2006.
		It is an astonishing story.
		One that we didn't talk about that we probably should is this snowstorm, two feet of snow hitting Buffalo in October, October 12 and 13.
		Now, Buffalo is a city that gets a lot of snow.
		Oh, yeah.
		I might add that New York broke a 59-year record last February when 26 inches, nearly 27 inches of snow hit the city.
		Now, this year so far, no snow whatsoever in the tri-state area, which is also a record.
		So you have these unbelievable extremes going on.
		Phoenix, 143 days without rain before they had a downpour on March 11th.
		And this is incidentally something that is going to happen somewhere in the world.
		There is going to be someone is going to go over the brink on drought at some point.
		Another thing that's happening is drowning islands.
		We have on Unknown Country, I think there's a story up, and if you don't see it, look on the left and click on Stories of the Week, and you will see an island off of South Carolina, which is full of expensive condos, and the beach is gone.
		It's just sandbags.
		And they're going under.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and well, of course, an island near Tonga that had, until recently, been the residence of about 10,000 people is now gone.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Is gone, exactly.
		And there are areas of the world that are in extraordinary danger.
		We've been talking about typhoons.
		If a cyclone comes up the Indian Ocean and hits Bangladesh just right, given the increasing rising sea levels, you could have one of the worst human catastrophes in history because you could drown half that country.
		That could happen virtually any time.
		That's real scary.
		That's not a place you'd want to go to on a trip.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What people don't understand, they hear that the ocean has risen by just this much and will rise by just that much.
		They don't understand how close in the Pacific so many of these island nations are to being underwater.
		Now, if you add that additional water to a large storm and storm surge, you're exactly right.
		You could cover half a country in water.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		And it will happen.
		It will happen.
		And let's keep on with some of these extremes because they are really absolutely amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go right ahead.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		In November, Seattle had nearly 16 inches of rain, surpassing a record that it held for 73 years.
		And again, that gets back to the weird El Nino, which is working backwards.
		We had here in California, 140 people were killed by a heat wave in July.
		A couple of years ago, in Europe, there were 20,000 people killed by a gigantic heat wave that they were totally unprepared for.
		Unbelievable thunderstorms hit St. Louis and hit all different areas of the country, especially in odd seasons, all during 2006.
		It's probably going to be the second warmest year on record.
		And the first 11 months of 2006 were the second warmest, I think, on record since, and the thing is, all the warmest years on record are since 2000.
		In other words, they're all recent years.
		And right now, like in New York, they have had a very warm winter up there.
		And yet you go out to Colorado and you wouldn't know it.
		You would not know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, here's something I'm worried about, Whittley, and I know you're not a forecaster, and you have no way of knowing which way this totally mixed up system is going to go.
		Nobody knows.
		It's chaos.
		But I'm here in the desert, and as you know, in the summer, near Death Valley, our temperatures, well, they can hover between 115 and 120 at its worst.
		Now, there wouldn't be a whole lot of change that would be required in an upward movement kind of way, Whitley, to make this area uninhabitable for human beings.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's absolutely correct.
		And you can have a situation that can develop in, I think, Art, that it's actually a little farther south of you.
		I think that the places to be worried about are more like Tucson and Phoenix because they are, or if you want to be really concerned, Central India has a couple of times in the past few years approached the 130 mark, which is...
		And of course, if you get much above 120, as you probably know, air conditioning begins to not work and begins to fail.
		And it keeps the temperature down 20 or 30 degrees below what it is outside.
		So it's 95 inside.
		It's not helping a lot.
		Anyway, at those temperatures, the human body becomes unable to, a normal human being body can't deal with heat.
		It's not built to.
		And people begin to die of heat stroke, even sitting still and not moving in the shade.
		And that, we've come close to that a couple of times in India, closer than we actually have in the United States.
		But it could happen anywhere.
		It could happen where you are, actually.
		I mean, it certainly happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I meant.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rather concerned about that.
		Or it could go the other way, and this chaotic system could suddenly turn the desert into a cooler place, putting the heat elsewhere.
		Who knows?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, you had a hurricane come up through there a couple of years ago.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I think you were still in the States when that happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct, yes.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Pieces of a hurricane came up through there.
		That was interesting.
		That was very, very interesting, the weather pattern like that.
		That's not something you're going to see every day, even now.
		But let's move on now and start to talk about what it has been like in the past.
		And so what I want to do is to go back 13,000 years.
		And now this is going to be discouraging and encouraging because we're not close to how bad it has been.
		And after all, despite what I'm going to talk about, life survived and we're still here.
		There's a type of arrowhead called a Clovis point, which 13,000 years ago something happened that all of the people who did Clovis points suddenly disappeared.
		There are no more Clovis points after that.
		They're called falsum points.
		Now, you find something interesting when you dig down.
		Archaeologists looking to find the Clovis layer, they look for a little black strip in the soil called the black mat.
		I'll tell you what that is.
		That's a mat of algae.
		You find it in Illinois, you find it in Oregon, you find it in New Mexico.
		Where did it come from?
		It came from flooding when in a matter of apparently days, the Laurentian Glacier, this gigantic glacier, actually was destroyed and vaporized and melted.
		The entire continent was covered with water.
		This water grew algae and it slowly sank down and that algae died on the surface when it dried out and that's now the black mat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What could do that?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's what it apparently was.
		We now have to go back to 41,000 years ago when a star went supernova.
		The first thing that happens is radiation moving out, the star was about 150 light years from Earth, moving out from the surface of the star at nearly light speed, goes out into the universe.
		41,000 years ago, this hit.
		What it would have looked like to people was a huge blue-colored second sun would appear in the sky all of a sudden with no explanation.
		Now, the smart guys, they hid, or maybe the scared guys.
		Everybody who didn't hide died.
		In Australia, all animals over 200 pounds in weight died because they were cheated with gamma rays and they got excessive radiation exposure.
		This is the time when human beings developed all kinds of different blood types.
		We're a very unusual animal in that most animals only have one blood type, but we've got a whole bunch of different blood types.
		And the reason is that this large animal, the human being, was smart enough to take shelter.
		And so we've survived with mutations.
		Now, something happened a few years after, a few thousand years after that, 36,000 years ago.
		All of a sudden, in southern France and northern Spain, adolescents, kids, a la the indigo children of today, suddenly began to paint these extraordinary paintings on caves.
		Now we figured out recently, scientists figured out that these were done by adolescents because they based this conclusion on the size of the handprints they find in the caves, the positioning of the paintings, and the known size of adolescents and adults at that time.
		They were literally the kids suddenly broke through to a whole new level.
		And you know where they were?
		They were on the exact opposite side of the galaxy where we are now, 13,000 years ago.
		And we're halfway around it, just about to cross through the plane of the galaxy, just at exactly the opposite place where we were then.
		The Mayan calendar predicts this, predicted this in its massive long-count calendar, that these changes would take place.
		And I submit to you that there is something bigger going on here than any of us can understand.
		When we talk about it on a microscope or a small level of our weather changes that we're facing right now, on a much larger level, something else, something bigger and something infinitely more mysterious is going on here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't suppose that there's any relationship between that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And again, going back to the Sparks interview, the changes going on in human beings right now with respect to autism and that sort of thing, there's a basic, profound change going on, and I can't quite put my finger on it, but the Sparks interview sure turned me onto it.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		You can't put your finger on it because you're inside it.
		You can't, if you're in an ocean current, flowing in an ocean current, you don't know it.
		You're moving, but you don't know it.
		It's the same thing if you're at sea and you're in a tsunami.
		You don't know that it's passing under you, but the people on the shore are going to find out.
		We're right out in the ocean of change right now, and we haven't reached the shore yet.
		So we don't know what that's going to be like.
		But I do know this, that this is, I mean, you talk about interesting times.
		I mean, the ancient Chinese had no idea what interesting times really were.
		If they had realized what it was really going to be like, they would have run like hell.
		They were right about that.
		That old may you live in interesting times thing being a curse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of interesting times, Whitley, is there any relationship between the weather changes, perhaps what's going on with the sun, and the geologic shake-ups we're going through?
		I mean, we just had an earthquake in Taiwan.
		It took out every single fiber cable, and most of Asia suddenly went dark information-wise, and telephone-wise.
		I mean, it just cut everything off.
		Is there any relationship to the geologic activity?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, there could be.
		A couple of Years ago, I believe it was two years ago, Japan was hit by a real daisy chain of typhoons, just one after another, 19 or 20 of them in a row.
		And they began to have earthquakes, and some of them quite severe in Japan because the water had literally penetrated down into and lubricated the faults.
		But I think also that the sun plays a large role in this that we don't understand yet.
		That heavy-duty solar activity results in on the Earth more volcanic activity, more unrest in the planet, and more radical weather activity.
		I think that there is a connection there that we don't fully understand yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do I ever agree with you, Whitley?
		We're coming up to a break, so hold it right there.
		Yes, the geologic activity became so intense that the Japanese began doing surveys of the bottom of the ocean, trying to figure out what was going to happen to them next.
		Interesting times?
		Yes, indeed, baby.
		We're on a ride.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Chris from Fresno, California says, Art, enough with a weather report.
		Boring as hell after two hours.
		Well, Chris, I suppose if you looked at it as a weather report, yes, indeed it would be.
		But, gee, Chris, I want you to look carefully around you.
		The North and the South Pole of our world, this little world that we tread around on, are melting.
		Not slowly, but quickly.
		We're about to be navigating across the North Pole where there was ice and there is no longer ice.
		Chris, these are profound changes in the world.
		This is not a weather report.
		This is a kind of a summation of changes that are going on that even we cannot explain the final destination of.
		So, Chris, if you want to regard it as a weather report, go right ahead.
		But I can assure you, my friend, it's a great deal more.
		We'll be right back.
		On the other hand, Maddie in Buffalo, New York says, hey, Art, we broke another record of 55 degrees here today and went through all the week.
		No snow for Christmas.
		As Whitley just mentioned, record snow and a storm hit here, 10, 12, 06, not good for our health and the plant life here.
		We're going to get a lake storm, and all hell is going to break loose.
		Whitley?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what I want to do?
		I want to go back again to the past because I'm trying to kind of bring this all together in a bigger way.
		And yeah, this isn't really a weather report.
		And by the way, before we're finished, I also want to talk about the UFO wave, which, and let's do that in the second half of this hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's well underway.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		There's an amazing UFO wave going on in this world that we need to talk about.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And I'll talk about a possible, an amazing event that happened in South Africa a couple of days ago that's nowhere in the media except on my website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so we've got a lot to talk about in that area.
		But anyway, let's go back to the day when 80 million mammoths, mastodons, and other large animals died and why.
		And now we're going back again 13,000 years.
		The second wave of that supernova we were talking about, the slower stuff hit.
		This stuff, it was traveling at much slower speeds.
		This is solid stuff.
		Things like tiny particles of iron and large pieces of comet-like material that came out of this supernova, hit the Earth and the whole solar system.
		Now, some scientists that I'm going to be interviewing on Dreamland shortly have discovered why all those mammoths died with food in their mouths and there was this sudden, unbelievable climate change taking place.
		And the reason that they found that these animals had tiny particles of iron embedded in their tusks and even in their bones, they literally dropped dead where they stood when these tiny microscopic invisible particles moving at 3,000 miles an hour came and swept over the whole continent and hit them and killed them all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Incredible.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Incredible.
		Now, I'm leading somewhere with this.
		It gets back to the weather, so be patient with me, folks.
		It's fascinating in and of itself, I know, but nevertheless.
		The next thing that happened is something hit what is called the Laurentian Glacier.
unidentified		And it hit it.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		This is the glacier that was over at that time over northern Illinois and most of Canada and the northern half of New York State and on into the north central United States.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It hit with such force that flying glaciers impacted in New Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm telling you, all of these little craters in the Carolinas, there are over a million of them called the Carolina Bays, were created by this flying ice.
		The central part of this glacier was vaporized literally in a day, in a moment.
		And this flow of water that we talked about, that covered not only North America, but the whole world.
		And we have memories of it.
		It's called Noah's Flood in the Bible.
		And before that, the Epic of Gilgamesh.
		And in North America, it sent a torrent of water across down the central United States that was 300 miles wide.
		Trillions of gallons poured into the Gulf of Mexico.
		And I will submit that the people who really understood, and maybe not with, they had exquisite instincts that we have lost.
		And I think that's what their science was.
		They understood the way the universe actually works.
		They made these calendars that the Mayans preserved and the extraordinary engineering abilities that we see at the great platform at Baalbek in Lebanon, at the great pyramids, at the fortress at Saxahuaman in Peru.
		These unbelievable achievements of engineering from the distant past came from them.
		They were totally destroyed by this event, but they left behind a warning.
		13,000 years later, we better listen to them because they predicted what is happening now somehow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, what you said hit the mammoth and the whole world almost sounds like a cosmic shotgun blast.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Now, we're on the other side of the galaxy at this point from where that was.
		I mean, the star is still around.
		It's, you know, obviously traveling with us.
		It's still approximately 150 light years away, but it's not a source of danger anymore, we don't think.
		There is another star, however, out there, which looks, it's the type of star that could become a supernova.
		And the interesting thing about this is it's 150, also about 150 light years away.
		If it became a supernova 150 years ago, we will find out about it without warning, absolutely without warning.
		And you have to ask yourself, did the people who developed these calendars know so much that they knew that was about to happen too?
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if they did, how did they have that primitive knowledge?
		I mean, it's high evident on the one hand, but primitive on the other.
		Had to be.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I have a theory about that.
		I think that at that time in the evolution, the development of the human species, we had what I described a minute ago as exquisite instincts.
		We had an instinctual intelligence that during this catastrophe, there's a fascinating book by Barbara Hann-Clow called Catastrophia, Where she talks about how what happened back then literally traumatized this species.
		We are a species living in post-traumatic stress disorder as a species.
		And that's why we don't have those exquisite instincts anymore.
		We're struggling kind of half-blind with our modern science and our we have a need to go down step by step by step.
		We can't just kind of let it happen in our minds the way they did.
		I think that's the change.
		I think that's the difference.
		And, you know, you were talking, the listener at the top of the show was talking about all the laughter in the media about the UFO sighting over O'Hare Airport.
		It's so funny.
		I mean, why is it funny?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the only reason it's funny to me is the irony of the people who say they have no recollection of anything of that sort.
		Now, mind you, these were pilots making these observations.
		United Airline pilots.
		That's my point.
		That's my point.
		And everybody else was unbelievable.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Apparently, an intelligently guided craft of non-human or unknown origin was seen by a large number of airline employees and pilots, and everybody's laughing about it?
		It's so funny, Bill O'Reilly.
		I'm sorry.
		It's not funny.
		It's extraordinary.
		An amazing event has taken place, and we have to push it away.
		This is our weakness speaking.
		Now, let's go on and talk a little bit more about, just in general, the amount of UFO activity recently.
		I put up on my journal, and it's not the journal that's up there now, it's the one immediately before that.
		If you go to Whitley's journal on my website and click on, you can find it immediately.
		It's about the fact that we are really, at this point, ready, I mean, we could handle contact with practically anybody.
		It's not like it was even 50 years ago when we were primitive in our understanding of this.
		The average person is now very used to the idea that contact of some kind, even understanding that it might not be contact with aliens.
		It might be that something entirely different is going on.
		We're able to do that.
		Now, could it be that somebody is there trying to reach us, even if they're from the future?
		Maybe they're trying to reach us more directly so that they can make more direct change and let us know what we need to do to enable them to continue to exist?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Whitley, I think that I could make a case that since 1947 and accelerating to today, we have been getting prepared for contact by our own media.
		Now, maybe it's just simply a coincidence of fascination with science fiction.
		I have no idea, but it's been movie and novel and movie and novel, media preparing us for contact.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would agree that something like that, I mean, I'm tangled up in it, frankly, obviously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're actually part of it.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know it.
		I mean, you are, yeah, exactly.
		You're kind of saying to the choir here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I am part of it.
		I'm also part of it.
		I mean, look at what I do for a living.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I don't think anyone could agree more.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		But interestingly enough, I don't have any hidden agenda.
unidentified		Neither do you.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Nobody comes to me and says, do this and do that and now do this at all.
		It just happens in my life.
		It just is the way my life.
		And the same with you.
		I know you too well.
		You don't have any secret CIA controller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I know, I know.
		I know, but I've stopped trying to deny it.
		I did that years ago, and so if it propagates.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		We are part of something.
		And the thing that's interesting about it is it's bigger than any confactor of control.
		There's something else going on, this great mystery I was talking about earlier.
		But I want to get to, we're getting close to the top of the hour, and we're going to open the lines afterwards.
		I want to get to this South African crash.
		It's down at the bottom of our front page, and it pretty well blew my mind when I read this.
		This happened on Saturday in South Africa, and in a little town, and if you go on the thing, you can see a map of where it happened, and then click on, there's a map, there's actually, they have a thing here where you can click on to the Google satellite map of the actual area, see a detailed satellite map.
		What happened was this, 4.33 in the morning, the manager, administrative manager of this little town in South Africa, she begins to hear a noise that she sounded like a jumbo jet starting its engines.
		Then it increases until it sounds like massive screaming turbines.
		She looks outside and she sees that clouds have turned bright orange in color.
		An object looking like a comet with an orange tail shoots out of the sky and hits the ground with a huge explosion.
		And now, so far, at least since Saturday, nobody has gone looking for this.
		And maybe they will find something and maybe they won't.
		It could be a meteor.
		If it was a meteor, it's a very unusual meteor sound.
		It's quite unusual for a meteor to sound like that.
		But it's possible that that's what it was.
		However, in Russia, in Siberia, a couple of months ago, there was a very similar incident.
		And the government sent helicopters out to look for whatever it was that had crashed, That the villagers said had crashed, and nothing had.
		And they didn't find anything.
		And so they said it was just the villagers were all nuts or something.
		And they blew it off.
		And yet now it happens again in South Africa.
		And then there's this thing that happened in New Jersey, Freehold Township in New Jersey, day before yesterday, that they've been laughing about in the American media again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Maybe some of these things, Whitley, were not crashes.
		Maybe they were landings.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know about that.
		They could have been, I guess.
		Certainly not the thing that happened in New Jersey, but goodness only knows what happened in South Africa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Until you get to the smoking rock, you really can't call it a meteor.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, the object that hit in initially, I mean, they're going to say it's a meteor in the thing that hit in Freehold Township.
		But depending on its composition, it could be, I mean, who noticed what it was?
		It was a very strange event.
		And what made it strange was that the object would be traveling at such a speed, such a velocity, that it would crash through a roof of a house and embed itself in a wall.
		It was going faster than it would have gone if it was simply falling.
		In other words, it was going much faster.
		It had velocity of its own, and yet it wasn't hot.
		Showed no evidence, it shows no obvious evidence of being scorched.
		So what's going on there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, but when you add all this up, are we in the middle of or the beginning of another big UFO flap?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		We could be, and if so, it's going to be just as peculiar as the other UFO flaps where you have a combination.
		And if you go back to the late 40s, early 50s, when you were having these extraordinary UFO flaps, they were accompanied by a large number of meteoric, seemingly meteoric events.
		You had the so-called ghost rockets in Sweden.
		You had the green fireballs in New Mexico.
		You had UFOs up in Roswell and up in the Pacific Northwest, and then eventually all across the United States until finally it culminated with this extraordinary series of UFO sightings over Washington that was the classic example of debunking when the Air Force dismissed them as swamp gas, which became a sort of international joke.
		But nevertheless, it has the look and feel of the same kind of thing now happening again that happened then only this time, like something that is orbiting and getting closer and closer each time it comes around.
		It's going to get a lot closer than it did back then.
		Wait and see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we could be at the very beginning of yet another one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's been since, for example, the Phoenix lights, it's been pretty quiet, but it has the feel to it right now of the beginning of something big.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It does, absolutely.
		It really, really does.
		And also another thing that we're getting, the weirdest thing on our website gets a lot of email.
		And I look at a good bit of it.
		We have a volunteer who looks at it before I do, thank God, because it gets like maybe as many as 1,000 emails, maybe 4,000 or 5,000 a month.
		But one of the things that they have been sending me consistently is very, very interesting.
		It's coming from different people around the world, not just the United States.
		They are reporting seeing what some of them are describing in various ways, but some of them are describing as what look like gateways that are opening, that they see in fields and in the sky near their houses, these angular kind of openings that seem to be openings into something else or somewhere else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And this phenomenon has never been, people haven't said this to us before.
		And I've been doing this for years.
		This website's been up for years.
		And then all of a sudden we start to get a rash of emails about this.
		It's very strange, and it almost suggests that something is kind of very quietly and in the background, hidden from view, kind of coming into focus.
		A door is slowly opening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Whitley, hold it right there.
		We will go to the phones after the break.
		I know exactly what Whitley means.
		I get thousands of emails, and so we're in a position to kind of put things together.
		When you read email after email after email, you can tell when something's happening and when something is coming.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our memories hoard is very short and convenient indeed.
		The poles of the world are melting, and they call it a weather report.
		Whitley Streamer is here.
		He's my guest.
		He and I did a little book that became a movie that kind of kicked all this off in a way.
		And many of them are still kicking us.
		At any rate, I've had Whitley now for some time.
		So in a moment, it's your turn.
		Any questions?
		And there's quite a spectrum to talk about from the Grays to the current UFO flap, if that's what it is, and it certainly appears to be, to a great deal of what he's covered about the climate.
		He's all yours.
		Coming right up.
		George is taking a well-deserved day or two off, and I am filling in this night.
		My name is Art Bell.
		On the line with me is Whitley Streeber, and we're about to go to the phones if you're ready.
		Anything else you want to get in now, Whitley, Just before.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, let's go right to the phones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To the phones we go.
		Let's make it.
		Tricia, how about Tricia in Northern California?
		You're on with Whitley.
unidentified		Yes, hi.
		Good evening.
		As far as the weather goes, you certainly have my attention.
		And I was wondering if you could recommend a website I can go to to prepare my family for a life without water and electricity and a grocery store.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't mean to laugh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be quite a website, Wedley?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, anyone who lives in an now, this is not in any kind of an earthquake zone or a zone that is an area that is prone to bad weather should certainly have basic emergency supplies.
		In a place in California, we've got water to last for a week and food supplies.
		I mean, nothing special, just things we bought at the grocery store.
		And, you know, we have a crank radio, actually.
		It's a C-Crane radio, to tell you the truth.
		And that kind of thing here.
		And everyone should have that.
		I think anyone who lives in hurricane areas or should have such supplies available in their car in an earthquake zone like she is in California, an area in Pacific Northwest, which now appears to be prone to very severe storms.
		You should be able to expect to live without power and perhaps without access to water and food or certainly food for at least four or five days, anywhere.
unidentified		Wow.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And I don't think I wouldn't worry about a website because the internet isn't going to be something that's going to be available under those conditions.
unidentified		No, I was thinking of buying it now, you know, like a survivor list.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that's the advice he gave you, ma'am.
		And it's very, very good advice under any conditions.
		Certainly it's not going to get you through a permanent severe change of some sort.
		But the period that we're in right now is going to be a period of unpredictable, severe weather, and it's going to produce hardships.
		It's already doing so.
		So the kind of preparation Whitley just talked about is right on the money.
		Wildcard line, Mary Lee in Arkansas, you're on with Whitley.
unidentified		Thank you.
		I want to know if he's familiar with the quote that says, when Jesus Christ will return, he'll bring the heavenly host with them.
		And that might be the Astar Command who has indicated they're standing by in the heavens to evacuate humans and animals in case of a pole shift.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Whitley, there is the religious take on all this.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, a pole shift, you know, interestingly enough, she brings up quite a fascinating point because about every, supposedly, about every, I think about every 200 to 50,000 years, there is a magnetic pole shift on planet Earth.
		Not as far as we know, an actual turning over of the planet, but the magnetic pole shifts, and for a period of time lasting upwards of anywhere from a few years to 1,000 years, we don't really know, the magnetic, the magnetosphere of the Earth is in chaos.
		Now, we know that in the past, this has not been associated with big extinction events, meaning that when this happens, solar energy is not so bad that it reaches the surface of the Earth.
		But we're living in a very different world now.
		We are living in a world that is absolutely dependent upon long electrical lines, sensitive electronic circuits, and so on and so forth.
		If we didn't have a magnetic field to guard us from solar radiation, to say the least, this society as we know it could not function, not for long.
		It would begin to break down in all kinds of complicated and eventually catastrophic ways.
		That said, the pole is in the process of shifting.
		Scientists believe that it's a very slow process, that, in other words, that it'll take at least 1,000 years for it to be in a state of chaos.
		But we don't actually know whether or not that is the case.
		So, yes, that's yet another thing that is changing now.
		We are in the middle, or at the beginning phases and have been for 200 or 300 years of one of these periodic earthly magnetic pole shifts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's go west of the Rockies to Ann in Walnut Creek, California.
		You're on Whitley.
unidentified		And hi, Whitley, and I'm so glad to hear the two of you tonight.
		Absolutely fascinating.
		I would like to ask a question I've been wanting to ask for a long time.
		I'd like to ask you to bring in another element into the discussion to connect the dots between HARP and everything you've been talking about.
		How HAARP may have been playing a role, maybe could play a role for good or bad, and whether anything that's happened could possibly be attributable to HAARP.
		And last of all, is there any way you can think of that if we were in an electromagnetic celestial pickle that HAARP could actually help?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		HAARP is an interesting subject, Whitley.
		It's been, as you know, taken over by DARPA.
		It's cranked up to incredible levels, and it's playing with the ionosphere.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, HAARP is using essentially microwave energy or similar energy to heat the ionosphere with unknown results.
		And I can assure you that they have never done any kind of environmental impact analysis of that at all.
		What HAARP may be used for, supposedly it is used to create an area, a reflective area where they can reflect radar waves off of it and look down across the horizon of the earth, use the radar to look down across the horizon of the earth, the other side of the planet.
		What it's actually used for, given that we have satellites that now blanket the entire planet, making such a process unnecessary, what it's actually used for is an entirely different question.
		I don't know.
		Dr. Nick Begich has got a lot of very interesting theories about that.
		And I do think this, and this is just generally true, where the secrets start, the freedom stops.
		And we absolutely, this government of the United States has got a cancer.
		It's the cancer of secrecy.
		This cancer has been growing ever since World War II and after World War II.
		Instead of backing away from secrecy that was so necessary during wartime, we founded the CIA and we embraced it.
		Harry Truman said the CIA was the worst mistake he ever made.
		Dwight Eisenhower warned us against this malicious military-industrial complex as he described it.
		And we now are suffering the consequences of that.
		Every American should have clear information about what things like HARP are, what they do, and what their potential hazards are.
		We do not have that information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, we don't.
		We're looking at a chaotic system getting completely out of control.
		So, you know, how to attribute any single influence on it is just virtually impossible.
		Wildcard line, Elizabeth, you're on the air with Whitley.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello, Whitley.
		You know, I would like to ask you about these people that could help us stop this from happening, how we could get to them, you know, how we could get them to listen to us.
		I have an idea.
		For one thing, my preacher, it's a little embarrassing to talk about my ideas, but he said the way to measure a man's maturity or woman's maturity is by their love toward other people.
		So if we could get these people that can help us to stop the global warming to realize that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm confused.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What people are you referring to?
unidentified		Like Jay Sekolo, who changes laws.
		Well, to change the subject, I would like to say that I heard a talk to a girl yesterday about this documentary that she watched.
		And, well, the earth in the United States split in half and became two islands because of the glaciers and the flood, and it cracked.
		And I would like to know if he knows anything about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's hold it there, Elizabeth.
		The U.S. cracking in half?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that it would be more productive to talk about, first of all, I don't think that is anything like that is going to happen.
		I do think, though, that there is an increasing potential for earthquake in the central United States being generated by the New Madrid Fault, which in the early 19th century created a tremendous earthquake in that area and is still very unstable.
		And unfortunately, it's an area of the country that is totally unprepared for earthquakes.
		It's absolutely unprepared.
		The other thing is this, that there is a lot of study needed to understand what happened to cause these recent, the gigantic earthquake a couple of years ago at Christmastime that caused the tsunami,
		the 8.5 earthquake off the coast of New Zealand that preceded it by a few days, the massive earthquakes that occurred in northern Siberia recently, and just what is causing these very large earthquakes swarms that keep appearing, and does this have significance?
		In other words, can other areas like it was recently announced that by, I believe, by NOAA or by the U.S. Geologic Survey, or it may have been the state of California, that there was a relatively high likelihood that the San Andreas Fault was going to give away in its northern half, jeopardizing San Francisco and potentially the Sacramento Delta, which feeds water to the whole southern half of the state.
		So, you know, how this is the sort of thing that we don't understand well enough yet.
		And she brings up a point as far as the United States itself cracking in half, I think basically just don't worry about it.
		It's not going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that probably would have been.
		Although the New Madrid fault is placed in an interesting position to, if it was big enough, I suppose, accomplish roughly that.
		But not that.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, it could have a 7.5 or bigger earthquake generated by that fault.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It's a strong enough, big enough fault to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bob in Burbank, California, your turn with Whitley.
unidentified		Looks like I broke the cycle.
unidentified		All your calls were females up to now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're right.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I noticed that.
unidentified		I'm thinking it's a conspiracy.
		I'm not getting on tonight.
		But anyway, Whitley, it's always nice to hear you on the radio.
		Yeah, and just going back to the UFO thing, I've been investigating UFO phenomena for many years.
		I've worked in aviation for 11 years.
		I used to fuel aircraft, kill aircraft, and work on a tarmac for many years.
		I've seen weird anomalies, but back to the Chicago, the UFO out there.
		I did some research on that, and I received an email of the object.
		It was a black triangle, and these discs were coming out of the bottom from what I heard.
		And let's think about this for a minute.
		What has happened is a few months, a couple weeks ago, whatever, 2006.
		Now, almost everybody in the United States has a cell phone, and 90% of all the cell phones have cameras on them.
		Now, tell me that there's not one person out there out of those people on the tarmac that didn't take a picture of a UFO with their cell phone that was hanging around in the air for about 10 minutes.
		Now, I think we should actually try to retrieve some of those photos unless the government came in there under national security and said it was some sort of government project, which they always do.
		When I was working at Lockheed, when we had UFOs flying around there, little objects, they always said it was national security, and just blamed it on that, and everybody just sort of shut up.
		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Color, you just said you said a moment ago that I just lost my train of thought.
		What did you say?
		Oh, yes.
		You referred to Chicago.
		Now, I wanted to ask you if you also feel that we're at the beginning of another UFO flap, a big period of time when we're going to get a lot of sightings, if not a landing.
unidentified		You're absolutely correct.
		The UFO flap happens to happen on a 20-year cycle, I've been noticing.
		And we are coming into that flap right now.
		And I've actually, what's really amazing about the UFO phenomenon is you could actually, when there's a major UFO sight in a particular area, you could usually link it to some historical event.
		Like one of the largest historical human events in our existence was World War II.
		They were everywhere.
		When there's major earthquakes, they're in local areas.
		There are UFOs seen everywhere.
		When there's a major catastrophe, they're there.
		Some of them are probably documenting historical events.
		Others are actually trying to prevent events from happening.
		I've worked with Undercover, I'm a contractor who works undercover for a couple of companies.
		And I was in downtown L.A. when we got word of a nuclear weapon being released in downtown Los Angeles.
		I was with some agents out there, and I'm telling you, when I was out there, there was a UFO right in L.A. when we were looking for this.
		They thought the keyword, it was near the library.
		It was a building two blocks across from the library.
		There's supposedly been snuck in a small nuclear device on the 66th floor of a building.
		They're going to airburst it and destroy L.A. At this point, I swear to God, there's a cylindrical silver object the size of a small car floating.
		It looked like a balloon.
		It was hovering against the building right where this weapon was supposed to be placed.
		The air unit that we had out there, an FBI helicopter, approached it and nearly crashed when it saw this UFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, consider for a moment that all of this began shortly after we detonated the first nuclear weapon in the world, and it's been going on ever since.
		And as he points out, Whitley, it has occurred around major events, around major military moves.
		We've had these flaps.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's very true.
		And in fact, the first ones occurred before that.
		It occurred during World War II when we had the Foo Fighters and other major event, a war.
		Yeah, and the great Los Angeles UFO event where they opened fire on a UFO over Los Angeles during the early part of the war years.
		So incidentally, getting back to the INSA United incident in Chicago, they've been researching on my website to see if there's anything if there's anything more.
		And we did find something interesting that on December the 4th, the FAA issued an info, an information for operators saying that TAs or phantom returns on collision of wood equipment in airplanes had been occurring,
		and they attributed it to returns from U.S. Navy craft from a certain type of transponder on U.S. Navy craft.
		But they do comment in it that these returns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whitley, hold the thought.
		I'm sorry, I've got to do it right here.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Indeed, here I am, a country where they turn back time.
		They are out there, and I suggest that most Americans, when you get the opportunity, go and visit one.
		The Year of the Cat.
		That song just has a great deal of meaning to me.
		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Whitley Streeber is my guest.
		What is it we're doing?
		We're doing a special weather report, and we'll be right back.
		When I had to rudely interrupt you because of the clock, Whitley, you were talking about a notice to air traffic types about what was going to be appearing almost as though they knew.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm sorry, I missed the cue at the bottom of the hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I was talking about an FAA notice about phantom signals occurring on accident collision avoidance equipment in planes, and they were referring primarily to Lindbergh Field in San Diego and saying that,
		interestingly enough, that the source of them was unknown because the naval ships that might have been the source of these things that were in the harbor had the transponders that could have caused this turned off.
		And, of course, no one makes any claim whatsoever about this, about it being, about what else might be causing this.
		But you have to think that maybe they're out there trying to land and it didn't work in San Diego, so they tried Chicago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's go all the way to the other side of the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Shane in Melbourne, Australia.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		How are you?
		It's nice to speak with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks.
unidentified		You speak very differently back in the kingdom of Nya as opposed to the Philippines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think so?
unidentified		Most definitely.
		It's a two-part question.
		How do you feel about Robert Felix's take on it, where he feels that we're entering global warming to be followed by an ice age?
		And I accept that climate change is real.
		What possible solutions?
		I mean, you've either got Shelly Yates, who's doing a fire up the grid on the 17th of July, 11-11, with a mass consciousness experiment, or else you've got Richard Hogeland's hyper-dimensional physics solution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'll tell you.
		You'll get both points of view.
		My point of view is that it is changing and that there's not a damn thing we can do about it.
		Whitley has a slightly more optimistic point of view.
		Whitley?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's true that I do have the problem of being a little bit optimistic simply because I look at human history and I see all of the things that have gone wrong across the span of time that we have been on this earth, and we're still here.
		And I just have a feeling that, yeah, I agree with you, Art.
		I think a lot of this is going to unfold, and there's not a lot we can do about it.
		And there will be many people who suffer because of it.
		But in the end, there'll be three species that are still here.
		The roaches, the rats, and us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't disagree with that.
		I'm not suggesting that the world is about to be wiped out.
		I'm just saying these changes are coming.
		Correction.
		These changes are occurring now, and I don't believe, and I do not believe we can stop it.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree with you there.
		And I guess my optimism comes from, I'm really talking about our ability to cope with them.
		We can reduce our carbon dioxide emissions quite easily.
		The big lie that we can't do that is the lack of leadership has been unfortunate because as I say, if you go on an unknown country and you go to the quick watch and you just scroll down, there's a list of things that you could do.
		As I said, if 100 million people did them, it would completely change the whole carbon dioxide profile of the atmosphere inside of 10 years.
		And a lack of leadership is why that doesn't happen.
		They're not even hard.
		But that is going to change.
		Art's right.
		You're right.
		It has changed the larger picture.
		It's too late for things like the Gulf Stream.
		That is going to happen.
		Whatever its consequences are, we don't know.
		But it is going to happen.
		The fundamental way the ocean currents work now is going to change.
		And it's going to change probably in our lifetimes and could be really any time.
		And we're going to live with the consequences of that, whatever they may be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on from Anchorage, Alaska, Kat with Whitley.
unidentified		Hi, it's great to be speaking with both of you.
		Whitley, I wanted to ask you about something I saw actually, it was 10 years ago, but the stuff you were talking about with gateways opening up reminded me of it.
		I was driving between Visalia, California and Fresno, California with a bunch of friends.
		And it was at night, and there were no street lights out there, just the headlights.
		So it was very dark sky.
		And all of a sudden, the sky basically turned to daylight in kind of a slow flash and then turned back to blackness.
		But we had time to, you know, we were probably going 50 miles an hour when we broke entirely to a stop.
		You know, everybody in the car saw and was screaming.
		And I talked to people for months after that to see if I could find anyone that knew what had happened.
		But I only ever found one other person that remembered it.
		I'm wondering if you know about this kind of phenomenon or if you think it's related.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's sometimes related to that can be a meteor, a meteor, a large meteor, especially if it was cloudy, burning up and I mean, especially if it was a clear night, burning up and they can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Blacklighting the clouds, really.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it can be very dramatic, a kind of flash.
		At the same time, it could have been something completely unknown.
		The interesting thing about it was that if it was that big, it was a big energy release of some kind that caused it.
		Because you don't light up the whole night sky like that and make it turn into daylight for a few minutes without it was it was no flashlight and it was nothing from an airplane.
		Let me put it that way.
		It was either a natural phenomenon or a UFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To Florida and Stan, you're on with Whitley Streeber.
unidentified		Hey, welcome back.
unidentified		It's great to hear you again.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Whitley, good to talk with you.
unidentified		Are you familiar with the UFO incident in 1973 in the middle of the Atlantic?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Enlighten me.
unidentified		I was an air traffic controller for the U.S. Air Force at Lodges Field in the Azores during the Arab-Israeli war.
		And we were supplying airplanes and munitions and all kinds of supplies to reinforce the Israel during that war.
		And everything had to go through the Azores because our European partners told us we couldn't fly through there.
		And during the entire airlift, we had no less than one and sometimes multiple UFO visits every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		I mean, we were sending out, you know, they were following our jets coming in on final approach.
unidentified		And, you know, I literally several times turned jets around to try to chase them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, excuse me?
		Is there anything recorded of this?
		Are there any records of all this that a person could get?
		Freedom of information, whatever?
unidentified		I have no idea.
		I know they sent somebody in from the Pentagon to talk to all of us afterwards.
		If you can look up something called Operation Greenlight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Greenlight.
		All right.
		You said they sent somebody in to talk to you.
		What did that somebody say?
unidentified		They were asking us what all we saw.
		I mean, they weren't really harming us.
		They were just more like they were trying to figure out or keep an eye on what we were doing.
		And we knew they weren't the Russians because we knew where all Russian bears and their spy planes and, you know, trawlers and stuff were.
		I mean, we were sending out, you know what a P-3 Orion is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It's a subhunter.
unidentified		Yeah, sure.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It's a plane.
unidentified		Yeah, and they have all kinds of, you have, well, Navy, but they have all kinds of electronics for, you know, detecting stuff.
		Right.
		Well, that's Operation Greenlight.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		We were sending out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, something of this magnitude.
		I mean, if you had objects following military craft, there would have been a lot of reports filed.
		And if we know the timeline and where, people can file information, freedom of information requests, and we can get information on this.
		So again, when was it, please?
unidentified		It was during the Arab-Israeli airlift in the Azore Islands.
		It's been so long, I don't remember the dates.
		I know it was in 1973.
		And like I said, during the entire airlift, we had not less than one UFO and a lot of times several every day.
		Now, one of the interesting thing is a buddy and I, we took my camera and went out to the end of the island one evening to see if we could get a photograph.
		And we were met by security police that turned us around and told us to go back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I'm going to do a little bit of research on this.
		It's a very, very, very interesting story.
		And again, there should be a lot of records available.
		A lot of times, the information is good for the plucking if you know where and when.
		And now we do.
		So let's see what we can do.
		Fascinating, huh, Whitley?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, it is.
		And I know of another incident that I've done a little bit of research into that happened during the Korean War in the Pacific where a large cylindrical object appeared over a carrier battle group and was absolutely an awesome experience.
		And the reason I'm pretty sure it happened is that we received so many letters from so many different people.
		We received letters from two different people who had been in the carrier battle group.
		One of them a radar operator and one of them an officer on one of the support ships who I don't believe were connected with each other in any way.
		The letters came about a year and a half apart, and we have them both.
		And it was apparently a really remarkable incident.
		So these things do happen, military people.
		No question about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Again, to another part of the world.
		Joseph in Alexandria, Egypt.
		Hi there.
unidentified		Hi, Dylan Art.
		Nice to speak to you.
		And to Mr. Whitley.
		My grandmother, actually, my great-grandmother lived to be 105.
		She was illiterate.
		However, she memorized the Bible, the entire Bible, the Old Testament and the New Testament.
		It was a remarkable woman.
		She had a prediction, and she always said about the end days.
		It's a cosmic event.
		Now, she was talking also about the 11,000-year cycle.
		Are you familiar with that?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure, absolutely.
unidentified		And that's what it is.
		She said the planet Earth goes into rejuvenation like woman after a childbirth.
		In the Egyptian time, after a woman have a child, they go and dip her in milk, if you're familiar with that.
		And this is the same thing as planet Earth right now.
		We're going into a freezing era, and that's rejuvenation in a way.
		Eskimo.
		To me, it applies because a cold kills a lot of viruses, if you know that.
		And maybe that's what it is.
		That's a cycle, and that's rejuvenation to planet Earth with all the contamination that human.
		And actually, I don't contribute that entirely on human.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, thank you for the call all the way from Egypt.
		Clearly, we are on the cusp, the edge of something.
		Something big is close.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Let me just deepen the mystery a little bit.
		Here's something fascinating.
		The Old Testament was written during the sign of the Ram, the 2,300-year approximate cycle, that astrological cycle, which is that we're entering the age of Aquarius now.
		That was the age of Aries.
		And the ram is the most mentioned animal in the Old Testament.
		Then we moved to Pisces.
		And when we moved to Pisces, the New Testament appears.
		And what is the symbol, of course, of Christ in the New Testament?
		The fisherman.
		And the fish was the early symbol of the Christians.
		Now we move into the age of Aquarius.
		What happens to an Aquarius?
		Well, it's called Aquarius because the water in which the little fish has presumably been swimming is poured out onto the land.
		The fish has got to learn to walk and to breathe on land because he's no longer supported by the water which has been the source of his life before.
		And somebody knew all of this.
		That's why the Bible is related to the huge astrological structures that are beneath the surface.
		It's why the Sphinx, if Graham Hancock is correct, and I'm pretty sure he is, if you go back to the time of Leo 10,000 plus years ago, you'll find the constellation of Leo rising behind the Sphinx every night.
		And supposedly the Sphinx is only a couple of thousand years old.
		Robert Schock has said it's more like it is 10,000 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I take it you heard the program with Graham?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
		And I know Graham, too.
		So anyway, there is a huge structure here, a great plan, an enormous mystery.
		And those of us living in this time, which is obviously an end time of some sort, but like all endings, it's also a beginning.
		We are very attuned to this extraordinary mystery.
		That's why there's a huge spiritual awakening taking place on earth right now.
		On a religious level, from the most conventionally religious people to the most unconventionally, there is this sense of something great in our presence, in the air, all around us and within us.
		And it's true because there is a change of age taking place, and we're part of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Maybe one more.
		Lloyd in Calgary, Canada.
		You're on with Whitley.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Geez, good to talk to you.
		About 15 years I've been trying to get on here.
		Holy finally got through.
		And Whitley, for sure.
		I've got a couple of questions and a little bit of the commentary.
		So first I'll throw the questions out.
		I would like to know what Whitley thinks of the opposing theories, I guess, of global warming, inasmuch as it's a solar cycle, or I have heard another that says that we're currently suffering a bombardment of neutrinos that are hitting the core of the Earth.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's an interesting question because there is a lot of change in the radiant atmosphere around our planet taking place right now.
		And there is also change taking place within the core of the planet.
		And we just don't understand this at all.
		But it may very well relate.
		And it may explain, for example, why it is, like off the coast of the Pacific Northwest, and this could be a reason why we were talking earlier about this El Niño ended up going backwards there.
		And it is that there is a large area of land area beneath the ocean that is warm, that is heating for some unknown reason.
		There's a hot spot near Santa Barbara, in the mountains near Santa Barbara, California, too, where it's just, there's a lot of heat coming up out of the ground, and we don't understand why.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Whitley, there's so much we don't understand.
		One thing is clear, though, we're out of time.
		I mean, we're just flat out of time.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It's time to be alive, whether we're out of time or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		Your book is The Graves.
		Latest is The Graves, right?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, buddy.
		Listen, I've got to cut it off here.
		I'm sorry.
		We could go on and on.
		Whitley, thank you for being here.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And good night.
		Everybody, I'll take a day off myself, I think, and be back for Saturday and Sunday.
		I'm Mark Bell from the High Desert.

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