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Dec. 9, 2006 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Jim Sparks - Inside Alien Abduction (5-hour special)

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	Shuttle, as you know, is off and running.
	Discovery lit up the sky.
	Boy, did it light it up!
	Late Saturday, blasting off for the first nighttime space shuttle launch in four years.
	The latest step in NASA's ambitious schedule to complete the International Space Station.
	The shuttle's fiery ascent turned night into day.
	Boy, it sure did for spectators at the Kennedy Space Center.
	A cloudy sky with blustery winds earlier in the day gave way to clear skies, a gentle breeze, and away she went.
	God, that's inspiring to see.
	It's inspiring for America to do.
	The whole thing is so inspiring for Americans.
	One of the commentators on the channel I was watching said it was reminiscent of going to the moon.
	And for those old enough out there to remember going to the moon, it is, every time the shuttle blasts off, indeed reminiscent of that.
	And boy, should we be doing it again.
	What has happened to our effort in space?
	We've done a lot of work close to, you know, in low Earth orbit, but that's about it since the moon.
	That's a long time.
	That's getting to be a generation.
	A generation.
	It just doesn't seem right at all.
	Now, I've got one hell of a guest coming up for you in the next hour, Jim Sparks.
	He's a very special guy.
	He made all kinds of money in real estate, building condos, you know, that kind of thing.
	And then he began to be abducted.
	And he recalls, unlike so many abductees, he recalls all the details.
	of his abduction.
	He can describe the aliens.
	He can describe what happened to him.
	He can tell us everything, virtually everything that went on and why they did it, what their message is for us.
	All of that is going to come from Jim Sparks next hour.
	He's not just anybody.
	He's going to be really something.
	Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld made a surprise trip to Iraq on Saturday, didn't announce a thing, just days after a bipartisan commission called the situation there, quote, grave and deteriorating, and said the administration's policy wasn't working.
	He's there to express his appreciation to the troops and thank the troops and the families for the sacrifices they're making.
	You know, that's kind of a sad message to the troops, isn't it?
	To hear a committee come out and say, it's just not working.
	Of course, when you're in the military, you don't really pay attention to all of this, not so much anyway.
	But, you know, you just do what you're told.
	In the military, you take orders and you do what you're told.
	That's that.
	So hopefully a lot of this is not making it to the troops there and demoralizing them in any way, and I suspect not.
	The 109th session of Congress, frustrated by partisanship and criticized for its meager record of any accomplishments, Ended with a flurry of bill passing and promises of change when Democrats take over the House and Senate in January.
	Before the pre-dawn finish Saturday, departing House Speaker Dennett Hastert acknowledged that after eight years, the longest stretch for a Republican in the job, he's going to welcome a return to the rank and file.
	Going back to sit on the bench with everybody else.
	The gunman who went on a deadly shooting spree in a downtown high-rise law office went to the building in search of an attorney, we now find out.
	Why?
	Because he felt he was cheated over an invention.
	Authorities said Saturday, Joe Jackson, 59, made at least one other attempt to enter the offices of the intellectual property law firm Wood, Phillips, Katz & Clark, and Mortimer, but was turned away because he did not have an appointment.
	New DNA evidence proving that the driver of Princess Di's car was drunk on the night of her fatal crash in a Paris underpass in 1997, according to the BBC.
	The test confirmed original post-mortem blood samples were from the driver, Henry Paul, and he had three times the French legal limit of alcohol in his blood.
	Wow.
	Three times the legal limit.
	Get this, the nephew of Saddam Hussein, who was serving a life sentence for financing insurgents and processing bombs, escaped from prison Saturday in northern Iraq with the help of a police officer.
	Sartarian attacks killed at least 20 people, including 5 who died in a suicide bombing outside a Shiite shrine in Karbala.
	Officers also found 39 bullet-ridden bodies in Baghdad that apparently were victims of revenge killings by Sunni Arabs and Shiites.
	So this is just absolutely awful.
	But to imagine... Now what kind of security do we have that Saddam's nephew can escape from prison?
	What kind of prison is that anyway?
	I would imagine it would have been the most high security kind of prison anybody could imagine and he escaped.
	In a moment we'll look at some of the other news.
	Alright Lex, if you're listening you might update the storm situation here in the Philippines.
	A tropical storm, Utor, it was a tropical storm, guess what?
	Overnight turned into a Category 3 typhoon.
	It is now Category 3 and just about directly south of us at this hour, I would think.
	uh... having ravaged across the visayas uh... area of the philippines and or is ravaging across the visayas area and we have as a result uh... clouds rain little bit of wind here it is the typhoon of the week club here in the philippines and i i'm not kidding now those of you who have been following the show It really has been a typhoon a week for a while now.
	Literally every week a typhoon is born in the well actually out to the east of us in the in the Philippine Sea or perhaps even beyond and then just gain strength very very rapidly Income's raging across the Philippines, and it's just a matter of where.
	In this case, close enough that we get a little wind, a little rain, but nothing more than sort of a blustery day here in Manila.
	Well, it turns out the government does have something to hide, but doesn't have anything to do with extraterrestrials, according to Stephen Aftergood, director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists in Washington, D.C.
	Hmm.
	A document has surfaced that has been stamped Top Secret Umbra, the code word for the highest, most sensitive category of communications intelligence.
	Umbra.
	U-M-B-R-A.
	Umbra.
	I wonder what that stands for.
	The once classified affidavit was originally filed by the National Security Agency, or NSA, in a 1980 lawsuit to justify the withholding of records on UFOs.
	The document is largely declassified now, with certain sections cut out, ostensibly to protect employee names and keep NSA technology, skills, and foreign connections out of the limelight.
	The document in camera affidavit of Eugene F. Yates, Citizens Against UFO Secrecy vs. National Security Agency, October 9th, 1980, was released in redacted form on November 3rd in response to a Freedom of Information request from researcher Michael Radinsky and posted on the website of the Federation of American Scientists.
	A read of the document yields insight into how a super-secret agency like NSA became caught up in the UFO phenomena.
	Created in November of 1952, the National Security Agency, Central Security Service, is America's cryptologic organization.
	It coordinates, directs, and performs highly specialized activities to protect the U.S.
	government information systems and churns out foreign signals, intelligence, intel.
	Being a high-tech organization, NSA is cutting-edge home for communications and data processing.
	Also center, of course, for foreign language analysts and research within the government.
	The just released 1980 document seems to explain the total of 239 documents related to UFOs.
	Get that!
	239 documents actually related to UFOs were located in NSA files.
	79 of those documents originating with other government agencies.
	One document is an account of an NSA official attending a UFO symposium.
	N.S.A.
	guys, I wonder which N.S.A.
	guys get assigned to go to UFO symposiums.
	The titles of N.S.A.
	related UFO documents that are noted in the declassified document are somewhat intriguing, such as UFO hypothesis and survival questions.
	Another title cited is UFOs and the Intelligent Community Blind Spot to Surprise or Deceptive Data.
	In the seven-page, undated, unofficial draft of a monograph authored by an unnamed NSA employee, the author reportedly points out what he considers to be a serious shortcoming in the NSA's communications intelligence intercept and reporting procedures.
	That is the ability to respond correctly by Suddenly coming upon surprising information or deliberately deceptive data.
	The unidentified author uses UFO phenomena to illustrate his belief that the inability of the U.S.
	intelligence community to process this type of unusual data adversely affects U.S.
	intelligence gathering capabilities.
	Within the pages of the newly released affidavit and between sections of excised copy Big healthy ones.
	It shows NSA intercepted in 1971 communications between two aircraft and ground controller discussing a quote phenomena in the sky as well as radar screen observations labeling what is viewed as unidentifiable objects.
	Other intercepted and decrypted reports of bright lights, luminous objects, unidentified aircraft, along with an elongated ball of fire scooting through the skies over non-U.S.
	countries are also noted.
	The 21-page affidavit makes it clear that release of documents for public scrutiny, that would be for you all, All of us, for a variety of reasons, quote, and listen to this very carefully, quote, would seriously damage the ability of the United States to gather this vital intelligence information, end quote.
	Furthermore, how the NSA works with a network of foreign sources, organizations, and other governments to secure intelligence data would be, they say, adversely affected.
	Boy, wouldn't you like to get an unredacted copy of that?
	Big areas of blacked out blobs.
	But clearly the NSA is looking at this whole phenomenon.
	Anything serious that they had discovered, though, wouldn't be redacted.
	Big black blobs.
	Organic globules found in a meteorite that slammed into Canada's Tagish Lake They now say may actually be older than our own sun.
	Wow!
	The ancient materials could offer a glimpse into the solar system's planet-building past and may even provide clues on how life on Earth first arose.
	We don't really look at this research as telling us something about the meteorite itself, as much as telling us something about the origins of the solar system.
	According to Scott Messenger of the NASA Johnson Space Center down in Houston, most of the meteorite's material is about the same age as our solar system, in other words, about 4.5 billion years, and was likely formed at about the same time.
	The microscopic organic globules that make up about a tenth of one percent of the object appear to be far older.
	In a study appearing in tomorrow's issue of the Journal of Science, Messenger and colleagues report that Isotopic anomalies in the globules suggest they formed in very cold conditions, even near absolute zero.
	What's really striking about this is these globules clearly could not possibly have formed where the meteorite itself formed.
	Under those extreme conditions, the air in it The air you'd breathe would be solid ice.
	You'd never find those conditions in the asteroid belt or anywhere else close to the sun.
	The Tagish Lake meteorite flashed across Earth's northern sky back in January of 2000.
	Most of the object burned up in the atmosphere, but pieces of it crashed in Canada's frozen, sparsely populated Yukon Territory, northern B.C.
	It's the lowest density meteorite That we've ever seen, said Peter Brown, a meteor expert and professor at the University of Western Ontario in Canada.
	It's extremely friable.
	That's an interesting word, friable.
	Easily pulverized.
	And the material breaks up very easily.
	The object's fragile nature is one of the clues that led some scientists to theorize that Tagish Lake could be the most primitive meteorite ever discovered.
	By primitive, we don't mean the oldest chronologically explained brown who's not involved in the science study.
	We mean that the material in this meteorite has been processed at least since it was formed.
	The material we see today is arguably the most representative of the material that went first into making up our solar system, our entire solar system.
	So, that's pretty exciting stuff.
	In one image, a shining snake of light flows from a hidden spring into a crater's depression.
	An orbiting camera aboard NASA's Mars Global Surveyor, we just had interviewed somebody who does all the camera work, you'll recall, recently.
	Well, guess what, folks?
	They found water!
	They have found water.
	If this was coming down the slope toward you, this is a quote from NASA's Kenneth Edgett, a scientist with the space science teams, you'd want to get out of the way.
	This is the squirting gun for water on Mars.
	I know.
	Not the smoking gun, the squirting gun for water on Mars.
	We've found it, said Michael Meyer, NASA's lead scientist on their Mars exploration program.
	Water seems to have flowed on the surface of today's Mars.
	Philip Christensen, a professor from Arizona State University in Tempe added, the discovery would change NASA's plans for Mars exploration, not to mention our understanding of the desert world itself.
	Now, no kidding.
	Water is the basis of all life.
	Water is also the basis of any fuel that you might want to put together, or anything else you might want to manufacture.
	We really can't go to Mars without water.
	So, if there is current water on Mars, and that's what they're saying here, that means that a trip to Mars is eminently more likely, and will come much sooner.
	That's just amazing.
	Mars Global Surveyor, whose extended mission came to an end last month following a power failure, captivated the images while tracking changes in geography over a period of days.
	Dry gullies, previously thought to have held water no more recently than millions of years ago, were found to have filled between observations.
	Get that!
	These gullies actually filled between their observations with the spacecraft.
	So that means there's water on Mars now.
	And that really means, depending on the nature of the water I suppose, we don't know all that much about it other than it is there, it's going to take another mission to find out I don't know how potable the water is, I suppose.
	And what we will have to do to make it usable, if anything, maybe it's just fine.
	Maybe it's actually good water.
	Maybe someday they'll be selling bottled Mars water.
	With special health benefits.
	I don't know.
	Anyway, it's exciting news because it does mean, ladies and gentlemen, that we'll be going to Mars.
	Now here's a guy You've got to wonder about this guy.
	This story is from South Africa.
	This fellow couldn't have thought real hard.
	A South African man has been fined $140, that's a lot of money in South Africa, for taking just one week off work Telling his employers that he was pregnant.
	Charles Sibandata, 27, apparently stole a certificate from a clinic during his pregnant girlfriend's checkup, a court near Johannesburg heard.
	He then added his own details to the note and submitted it and took seven days off work, seemingly unaware that only women consult gynecologists.
	His employers became suspicious.
	They became suspicious and investigated the matter.
	On passing sentence, Magistrate Bruno van Eeden warned Mr. Simpendatta not to walk around faking sick letters from gynecologists as if he was pregnant.
	this all according to the south african press association news agency
	i i like the part where it said his employers became suspicious
	As if, somehow, previous to that moment, why everything was just okay, just fine.
	He had handed the note from the gynecologist to, you know, the boss.
	And the boss had gone, well, okay.
	I can see you've got a problem here, alright.
	Take a week off.
	And then apparently, according to this story, some period of time passed before the boss and others in the company, I suppose, figured out that we shouldn't be pregnant his guy.
	Now, how long would it take for a company to become suspicious on that count?
	You gotta love some people's I was going to say inventive, but there's nothing very inventive about this, is there?
	Here is Art Bell.
	Once again, coming up at the top of the hour, this is really going to be something, in my opinion.
	Jim Sparks, who is a real estate developer, you know he did condos, he built properties, he was 34 years old, or probably is roughly 34 now, I don't know, we'll have to find out.
	has very serious, specific recollections of his abductions, plural, and what they want, why they did it, what their plans are for Earth, the Greys, and others.
	You're going to hear it all tonight.
	It should be very, very interesting.
	Let's go to the first wildcard line.
	That would be Yvonne in Manhattan.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	What a pleasure it is to talk to you.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	Very welcome.
	I always wanted to know if you were planning to or trying to get the real Alison Dubois on as a guest?
	Working on it.
	I'll tell you what.
	I found out that the, quote, real Alison Dubois is a fan of this show.
	And she very much would like to come on.
	And so we're actually working on both the real and the one who plays her part.
	We'd like to have them on together.
	And that's sort of in the works.
	Oh, that would be wonderful.
	Thank you.
	Oh, that was it, huh?
	I have a comment.
	Kudos to your adoption.
	You love that show or what?
	We don't get to see it over here.
	We don't get that show over here and I miss it horribly.
	So I've missed the last better part of the year of that program.
	Anyway, if that's it, fine, I'll move on.
	I wanted to say something else.
	Sure.
	Kudos to your adoption of Dolly.
	She's so cute.
	And I heard somewhere that cats are like potato chips.
	You just can't have one.
	Yes, that would appear to be true.
	Once a sucker for cats, always a sucker for cats, Yvonne.
	You know, in Dolly's case, you have to be out of your mind to have three cats in a condo.
	Just out of your mind.
	But there was no alternative.
	There was no way around this.
	There just, there wasn't.
	There comes a point, if you're a cat lover, if you're an animal lover, where you just, every night we would walk past and she would run up, unlike every other Philippine cat, she'd run up and just rub up against me and purr and jump in my lap and it's like, take me, take me, take me.
	You can only take so many days of that and then finally you collapse And do the wrong thing, or the right thing, depending on how you look at it.
	She's something else.
	And that photograph of her is perched on top of Abydos.
	Literally perched on top of.
	Let's go to the first time caller line.
	It says, Anonymous Abductee.
	That sounds interesting.
	Hello?
	Hello Art.
	Yes.
	I'd just like to say that I'm a great admirer of what you do, and it's a pleasure to talk to you.
	It's a pleasure to have you.
	You don't want to give your name, apparently.
	No, sir.
	Or my location, please.
	Actually, my experience goes back to my childhood.
	This has been going on for a long time.
	Alright, I'll tell you what.
	We've got a very difficult phone connection.
	Move just a little bit away from the phone, in this case, and it might clear up.
	Okay.
	Is that better?
	Yeah, you bet it is.
	Go ahead.
	Now, when I was 16 years old, this is a very uncommon fear for a 16-year-old young man, but I used to be terrified of getting out of my bed because I was convinced that there was a presence in there.
	I've always been obsessed with the subject of UFOs and aliens, and more recently, I've been obsessed with the subject of what the Africans refer to as the Chitauri, or what are referred to by some as the reptilians, the Anunnaki.
	But a recent experience that I had, a lot of these recollections appeared to me Almost in the form of like a memory of a dream, but in fact what happened was I was abducted and I was told that this has been happening repeatedly.
	Again, back away from the phone.
	My question for you, I want to stop you and ask a question anyway, so get further away from the phone.
	Do you think that you had a screen memory in essence installed as kind of a false memory of what happened?
	I think that that would definitely be a possibility.
	Um, but I was told that I was programmed and, um, I was told that I was programmed to kill myself and destroy myself in different ways.
	Oh my God, why?
	Uh, well, um, I think that they fear, uh, some kind of power that I contain, that I possess.
	But, um, among many others on the planet right now, I believe that I possess the same power, this ability to change people's perspectives on things.
	And, um, because of this, they, They basically hunt these people down and repeatedly abduct them throughout various points in their life.
	And I believe that I'm one of them, one of many, that I've been reading about in recent years as well.
	This began when?
	This began how many years ago?
	Well, I began having fears of this and feelings as though I was being abducted from the time that I was about, like, seven years old.
	And I'm six years old.
	And I am 22 years old now.
	22 years.
	Can you describe these creatures?
	Well, they are the classic depiction of what some refer to as the greys.
	But I believe these greys to be no more than drones, worker bees for a higher, more intelligent, more sophisticated race.
	I believe that essentially they're clones.
	That's why they lack reproductive organs as well.
	And in traditional depictions of them, they lack reproductive organs.
	I believe that they wear suits and that what appears to be a gray skin is not actually a gray skin, but it is actually a suit to cover up their true form, which is more like the form of what we would call a reptilian or, you know, what some refer to as the Anunnaki.
	How clear are your recollections of what was done to you?
	Some are blurred and some are very vivid, you know.
	As I said, some come to me almost, they seem like A memory of a dream, a very vivid dream.
	All right, Mr. Anonymous, let me ask you this.
	You say it's blurred with a possibility of a dream.
	Is there any possibility at all that all of this was a dream, or a hallucination, or something like that?
	Are you certain it was real?
	I'm certain that most accounts of this were absolutely 100% genuine.
	Your accounts of this?
	Not others?
	No, no, no.
	I'm talking about my personal experiences.
	Now, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of at least some, but I'm saying like, it's not like I wake up and remember a dream.
	It's like flashes of images come to me, and over the years, through my research, it's like I'm almost deprogramming myself and realizing certain things and uncovering certain truths.
	When I uncover things that I already felt, and I hear about other people's opinions on things that I've already felt and intuitively come to as an understanding, then I begin to I have a realization that I'm not the only one who's experiencing these things this way.
	Oh, you certainly are not.
	Listen, the guest I've got coming up tonight, in order to recall everything, or to get every bit of information, went to John Mack, the renowned fellow who regresses people like yourself.
	Have you done anything like that?
	Have you gone to any researchers?
	No, because, to put it simply, I think that the human mind is a very fragile thing, and I don't like people tampering with mine.
	And if there are indeed outside alien forces tampering with it, that's enough.
	I have enough problem keeping my mind balanced as it is, especially with certain knowledge of certain things that are happening in the world and going to happen to Earth.
	Like what, please?
	Well, of course, you've heard of the idea of 2012, which will indeed happen, when it's supposed to happen.
	The idea of martial law being enforced... Well, back up.
	What's going to happen in 2012?
	I mean, I don't know of anything specifically said to occur then.
	It's the end of the Mayan calendar.
	Maybe they just got sick of making calendars.
	What do you know about what will occur then?
	Well, some propose that... I know that there will be a great cataclysmic shift, which will bring about some kind of ascension for some humans that are ready for it.
	And some will have to be left behind.
	This is a shift in dimension for the Earth.
	And in fact, from my understanding of it, from the information that I've received through opening myself up to it, basically what will happen is there's a planet where these beings, these reptilians, have been harvesting all these humans and keeping them there.
	When this change comes about, these beings will actually become the people of ancient Earth.
	And they will start everything all over again, because essentially understanding the concept of time being one, past, present, and future being one, then essentially time travel is pretty simple when you don't look to any device to help you to travel through time, and you only rely on your astral body, so to speak.
	Now, if time is collapsing in on itself, and the past, the present, and the future are all one, then this is not necessarily a totally ludicrous hypothesis.
	It's a definite possibility that these people will come back and become the people of ancient earth and they will start everything all over again and that it's just this grand cycle that doesn't stop.
	What percentage of your abductions do you think you recall?
	I would say probably about 15 to 20 percent.
	I'm sure it's happened so many times that I can't recall and I've been lucky enough to recall some of them but I think most of the time Slate is wiped clean and I'm not intended to remember.
	Alright, well listen, thank you very much.
	The difference with the guest I have coming on tonight, one, he has no reason, no motivation to be telling the story he's going to tell at all tonight.
	He's financially well off.
	He was successful in business and then, boom, all of this came out of nowhere.
	And the other difference is he recalls about, vividly, about 90% of the abduction procedures that were done and what the creatures look like and all the rest of it.
	So it should be a very instructive evening.
	Let's go to Tacoma, Washington and Melvin, you're on the air, Melvin.
	Yes, how you doing?
	I'm doing okay.
	Alright, well, the reason I was calling was that I was hearing what you were saying about the them going to the moon and how it's been a long time since
	we've been there.
	And the thing with me is at the time that we went the first time the technology was not
	anywhere near where it is now and I'm like I just don't understand how we could have
	went to the moon. I don't believe we did. You know and I look at the pictures and it just
	it doesn't add up. Oh so you think the whole thing was done in Hollywood? Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
	You know, and American people will believe whatever is on television, you know?
	I mean, we've seen many movies with us being on Mars.
	Oh, that's true.
	You know, so why wouldn't we think we went to Mars already?
	You know what I mean?
	Well, none that claim that we actually did it.
	We've seen plenty of science fiction, and we've been to Mars and well beyond, sir, but... You know, I'm sorry, I don't... How old are you?
	I'm 35. 35.
	So you don't really remember all of that time personally, do you?
	No, I don't.
	My whole argument is, why haven't we been back?
	If we went once, why can't we go again?
	And why wait so long to go?
	Oh, I share that with you, my friend.
	I absolutely agree with you.
	What the hell's wrong with us?
	But I 100% disagree with your assessment that we did not go.
	Consider that, folks.
	That fellow's 35 years old.
	He doesn't remember our going to the moon, and he should not remember our going to the moon, so as far as he's concerned, baloney!
	We never went!
	And of course, there are others who kind of agree with that assessment, that we never really went to the moon, that it was all a big put-on.
	Now, he said Americans will believe anything that's on TV.
	Huh.
	I can't argue too much with that.
	Now that doesn't mean I believe we didn't go to the moon, but he's right in that statement.
	Americans pretty much believe if it's on TV, boy, it happened.
	And in those days, that was all the more true.
	Television then was the Holy Grail.
	I'll tell you right now, when Walter Cronkite said it, you believed it.
	So, he had some of it right.
	His conclusion, in my opinion, is certainly incorrect, but you can't deny some of the rest of what he said.
	Leroy in Colorado, west of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Yes, hello.
	Am I on the line?
	You are.
	We've had some pretty crazy callers today.
	Uh, we depend on that here, sir.
	Well, I actually have to go back to the first call before I state why I'm calling, but with the cat thing about how you can't have, you know, cats are like potato chips.
	You can't just have one.
	I'd have to actually agree with that.
	Okay, hope we caught that back there.
	Let's go to, uh, let's go to Charlie in Michigan.
	Charlie, you're on the air.
	Hello, Charlie.
	Hi.
	Uh, turn your radio off.
	Okay.
	Get off.
	Get off, off.
	Oh, my God.
	No, not indeed, Ron.
	I heard you're a cat person.
	Just start, Bill.
	I, I heard you're a cat person.
	Uh, yes.
	I got 22.
	You have 22?
	22 cats.
	And they're all, they're all fixed, and they're all neutered, and they're just a lovin' little family here.
	I don't want that.
	That's terrible.
	Okay, sir.
	Well with 22 you better neuter him because you could probably have about 110 and just
	no time at all.
	Turn your back and there would be 110.
	I don't want that.
	That's terrible.
	I don't know how you got to 22.
	Okay sir.
	My question is, when I was about I'd say 3 or 5 years old, I experienced something that
	I'll never forget in my life.
	I was floating.
	I went up my street.
	Up your street?
	And I made a left turn.
	I was floating.
	I was about maybe 200 feet off the ground.
	I floated up to my uncle's.
	Went up the creek.
	Checked out the creek where I used to play.
	Went up to my uncle's and I turned around.
	Made a right turn.
	Put my right hand out.
	And I turned and I flew.
	And I could never, ever, I could never Forget this experience.
	Did I die?
	I suppose it was a flying dream.
	Did I die?
	At one time there.
	I have a very weird family.
	Well many of us.
	Nobody tells me nothing, you know.
	Many of us have weird families, sir.
	It's an American tradition, I think.
	Actually, not just America.
	I think more families than not fight and are somewhat dysfunctional.
	Of course, blood is thicker than water, but basically, bottom line, most families are somewhat dysfunctional.
	A wild card line?
	Oh, I say, that's right.
	I've done it again.
	See, I get wound up with what I'm doing.
	All right.
	Let's take a break and we'll be right back.
	Very quickly let's go to Sedona, Arizona.
	We've got another abductee.
	Keith, you're on the air.
	Yes, I am.
	Thank you, Art.
	It's a great pleasure to talk to you.
	I've seen the grave face-to-face, and I've got so many stories, I hardly know where to start.
	But the graves I experienced were a hive mind.
	They were not individuals, and that's why they're psychically so powerful.
	And we saw a jet fighter chase a glowing orb across the sky, black helicopters, Russian troops, all kinds of crazy stuff.
	Do you remember much about the craft?
	Yes, I do.
	I could tell you all about it.
	I was beamed up in a blue beam up to a small scout ship, taken up into a large mothership, which appeared to be cigar-shaped, and there were mantis-like beings overseeing it.
	I think there were reptilians, too, but in my particular case, it was the greys with the mantis beings standing much taller over them, and they put an implant in me And I've recovered this after like 20 years.
	It took me 20 years of regression.
	I had hypnotic regression to help me recover the memories of it.
	Where was the implant?
	It was in my lungs, actually.
	It was what we've discussed, the best of my knowledge is that we're studying heart and lung function.
	Did you know what these creatures, ultimately, what their motivation for taking human beings is?
	Well, it's kind of like a harvest, the harvesting energy and the motivation for them is they don't have emotions and that's part of what they're studying with us and also I tend to think they're not having... their race is kind of ending, and they're trying to rejuvenate their race with our DNA.
	Well, that's a common thought, certainly.
	I wish I had more time to spend with you.
	We've got a break coming up.
	My old stomping grounds.
	He works as a debt consultant.
	Born in 1954, he spent his early years in Florida.
	Sparks studied real estate at a community college in Florida, and then began working for a major condominium firm, who eventually moved him to Houston in 1979.
	After 12 years, he started J&J Properties, which is a natural land development company, which mostly operated in North Carolina.
	Sparks was now able to use his own philosophy and forbade, he actually would not allow, removing more trees than necessary from each lot.
	So I guess he's ecologically sensitive.
	At 34 years old, Sparks was happily married and financially successful.
	When his experiences with otherworldly beings began.
	Life as he knew it began to unravel with these unexplained incidents.
	Now, 18 years later, Sparks has moved from resistor to cooperator, and is sharing his experiences with others, tonight with you!
	A conservationist at heart, Sparks encourages others to support their work being done by the Nature Conservancy to help save critical acreage in the Atlantic Forest region of South America.
	In a moment, a very unusual individual is going to take us in detail through his experiences.
	Coming up, Jim Sparks.
	As promised, Jim Sparks.
	Jim, welcome to Coast to Coast AM.
	Hey, it's great to be here, Art.
	Thanks.
	You're very welcome, thank you.
	I wonder why somebody of your stature, somebody who has been very financially successful, even if you had all of these experiences, which I don't doubt that you've had, in such great detail, we're going to hear so much tonight, would have the cojones to come on a national radio program and talk about it?
	It's been an evolving situation.
	In the beginning years, well, you know, I'm straightforward, logical down to earth, honest.
	And in the early years, meaning starting in 88, these experiences were abrupt and in my face and without warning, just like overnight.
	And the first, particularly the first six years, I had nothing but, well, Loathing and hate.
	So you did not talk publicly, then, about this?
	No, I didn't even know things like this existed.
	Actually, I wasn't really tuned in to any of the abduction experiences of other people.
	It wasn't me.
	Now, sure, I felt like perhaps there were visitors from other planets, because considering the size of the cosmos and how many stars are out there and planets rotating around them, that it was possible something could come by.
	The visits we get and these extraterrestrials and the abductions of this magnitude involving tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, I mean, if not millions of people.
	No, I didn't have any clue anything like that was around.
	How old are you now, Jim?
	52.
	52.
	These experiences began when you were how old?
	34.
	18 years ago.
	18 years ago, almost to the month, actually, as we speak.
	Okay, then let's go back, and let's go back to the very beginning.
	The first time, perhaps, if you recall, that it happened to you.
	Well, in the beginning, it was around mid-88, and my experiences were not too unlike what most abductees talk about, which were dreamlike.
	But with me, it started that way, and it was A recurring dream, and it was the same one around mid-88 that happened the same way over and over again.
	I would be sleeping.
	Something would wake me up.
	As far as I was concerned, this was a dream.
	Something or some things would be waking me up, walking me from my bedroom down the hallway into the guest room, and we had at the time a floor-level window in the guest room and they would walk me right through it.
	We'd go across the lawn into the woods and then I had no memory at that time of what went on in the woods and then in this so-called dream I would be walked back through the window and back into the bedroom and put back in bed.
	This went on for a couple of months, a few months And then one evening... Jim, you thought you were having dreams.
	Yeah.
	At this point you thought they were dreams, right?
	Just dreams and didn't think much more of it, except that I kept having the same one over and over again, which was not normal for me.
	Odd.
	Yeah, this is odd, right?
	Yeah.
	But the way it progressed was one night it jumped from one extreme to the other.
	So there was a night where it was extreme, meaning that I became...
	As these things came and woke me up, I found myself standing, and I was dead-awake conscious, and then I would black out for a second, then I'd be conscious for a second, but just as conscious as you and I are talking.
	It was very vivid, and it was more real than it was a dream to me.
	Walking down the hallway, I could feel my feet on the carpet.
	I could see, as we went into the guest bedroom and walked through the window, Um, it was like I blacked out just as we came to the window.
	Then I came conscious again as we walked through it and I was in the yard and I felt the cold grass on my feet.
	But, um, what proved to me something was really going on is when we had came back through the window after the experience in the woods, which I, at the time, I had no idea what was going on.
	I had no memory of that.
	But coming back through, when I walked through the lawn or the, uh, coming back, uh, we had, um, These bushes in our yard, and they had these thousands of little flowers on them.
	I think they're called honeysuckle flowers, and they would stick to your feet.
	And coming through the window and going back into the bedroom, when I woke up the next morning, I said, man, this thing was just like it really happened.
	And so now I'm awake.
	I get up.
	This is normal.
	I went to the guest bedroom, and what I saw really astounded me.
	Scared me, actually, because I could see my footprints in the lawn.
	And I could see half of my heel was in the lawn, and then my toes were embedded in the carpet as if the window wasn't there, and the honeysuckle flowers were in the footprints on the carpet in my guest bedroom.
	I could see them with the honeysuckle flowers embedded in the carpet as I walked through the bedroom back into the hallway.
	Holy smokes.
	Yeah, and it was impossible.
	And I said, how can this be possible?
	There's a window here, and it had drapes, it had blinds, it had all of that.
	So, that was like the first shock of something is really happening here that I couldn't explain.
	Well, I was going to ask how you separate the dream from the chaff, and you sure just told me.
	At that point, I would think that a deep fear would sort of start to set in when you realized that, God, these weren't dreams, this is really happening.
	Yeah.
	And you're exactly right.
	So it's real.
	And it shook me up.
	It kept me from operating properly during the day.
	But I was functioning normally, but I was still keeping it to myself.
	So at that point, which I didn't mention, I didn't mention anything to my wife.
	I didn't say anything to anybody.
	I just took the vacuum cleaner and got every little leaf, every little blade of grass, all the honeysuckle flowers, and said, the next time this happens, I'm going to come into this room and see I now know that they were progressively adapting me to what was about to happen, which was extreme, which really changed.
	That's called being pulled, what I call being pulled the easy way.
	Whenever a craft is on the ground or landed, they use a technology to escort you to the craft by walking you to it, but you can walk through solid objects.
	They create some kind of field.
	It's technology, and you walk through walls and things of that nature, but again, I had Experience and I went into that room and again, then I could see the footprints and I could see the honeysuckle flowers but What really shook me up and really changed my life Messed it up for a solid 18 months to six years, which I'll get into which was real real.
	It was traumatizing They were it was horror filled the mo at that time was isolation fear confusion and I felt like I had been abducted into a war that I didn't
	even know existed.
	I called it like an alien boot camp, and I can get into that.
	And all that stuff was terrible the first six years, and then as the experiences evolved,
	it got pretty neat.
	But it was adapting to intelligent creatures that are not human.
	Actually, I really would like to hear what you called alien boot camp, the beginning
	of this.
	The way they, well, I went through U.S. Air Force boot camp, and of course, what I found
	was that there was a lot of alien stuff.
	And I was like, I'm going to go to the U.S. Air Force boot camp.
	What they're doing is exactly that.
	Separating the wheat from the chaff.
	Those who will make it from those who will not.
	Those who are Air Force material from those who are not.
	Right.
	And they're teaching you to respond without thinking to orders.
	In other words, you get an order, you just do it.
	You don't think about it, you just do it.
	And that's what boot camp's all about.
	Well, it's very similar.
	And see, I didn't even have any understanding of that.
	But it was to break you down, and it did just that.
	What kind of methods?
	How did they do what they did?
	Well, the first thing was, that was going the easy way.
	When a craft is in flight or in motion, And they want to pull matter, being whatever it may be, like cows or humans or whatever it might be, in my case, me.
	That's a whole different world.
	The first thing that happens is you hear a sound that's like a whipping, whirling sound.
	It starts off at a low RPM and it starts getting louder like somebody has a whip like a vroom
	vroom vroom when it just gets louder and louder and you're hearing it in your head and then
	in your torso, the lower part of your torso, you feel like an energy coming up towards
	your chest and when this energy reaches your heart, your heart starts racing like a thousand
	beats per minute is what it seems like and it's almost racing out of your chest.
	And then you get this almost like a roller coaster sensation.
	Uh, like G-Force is like a hundred times, but you don't get the sensation that, um, you're going up.
	You feel the sensation of your being pulled down, like you're going down a roller coaster only a hundred times faster.
	And you're screaming inside your head, I don't want to die.
	I don't want to die.
	And your heart's racing and you, and, and this is going on.
	And then you blackout.
	That was like the first, that went from the nice, easy walking through the window to that.
	And here's where I was for six years when I awoken from the first time that I blacked out.
	I was in the same room, dimly lit.
	Light was coming from nowhere, but yet everywhere.
	You couldn't pinpoint where the light was.
	Paralyzed.
	I sat on something that would be like a bench.
	Uh, and in front of me was something that looked like a table with a screen on it or a monitor on it.
	Now this is 18, 20 years ago and I wasn't into computers.
	I didn't even know anything about those things in that day.
	I wasn't into that.
	And then in front of me was a, um, a wall about four or six feet in front of me and it had another huge monitor in it.
	And I, I was paralyzed except for the fact that I could move, uh, My head up and down to look at the wall screen and to look at the monitor screen on the table and I could move my right hand but not my arm against the table and what later proceeded was I would use my right forefinger to like an exosketch like when you were a kid when you used to do that and it would leave a trail or a trace.
	Sure.
	Only it would show up either on the wall screen, I called it wall screens, now I know they're monitors these days.
	Well, that's what I was going to ask, if you could make out what was on the monitors.
	That's how they started me off, as a matter of fact.
	See, there's no social skills with these guys, and they're completely telepathic.
	They use screen imaging to create things in your mind to make you think you're somewhere else or you're doing something else.
	All their technology is thought-activated.
	They travel dimensions, they travel time, and it's all technology, and I hung on to that.
	That these aren't devils, these aren't this.
	I kept a logical frame of reference as I possibly could, but right at the beginning, it wasn't, would you like to be here, or were this, or were that.
	As a matter of fact, my peripheral vision For many months at the beginning was almost completely gone, so I couldn't see who my captives were.
	Jim, I would like to ask how you even kept your sanity, and the reason I ask that is your analogy, going back to Air Force Boot Camp.
	In San Antone, there were a lot of people after, you know, three or four days of this, they were screaming, me included, Mommy!
	I want to go home!
	What the hell have I done to myself?
	That was, you know, with a good earth-like, though harsh, frame of reference.
	You had no frame of reference.
	None.
	How did you keep from going bananas?
	Hate and anger.
	And I think it's what kept 90, at that point 90%, it got up to 90% of retaining everything in my face that went on, total hate, and I should say total
	anger, and total hate, intense hate and intense anger. I screamed, you know, well some of
	the words I use are natural, I can't use on the air, where am I and who are you and why am I here
	and and I hadn't, I couldn't even figure out for a second what the, why, but I...
	Were you able to vocalize all of this?
	In other words, if you shouted invectives or whatever, you could actually make a sound and you could hear that you were making a sound?
	Yes, and then my tormentors at the time, I guess you could call them that, would paralyze my vocal cords too.
	If in their whatever view, enough was enough.
	But they were really odd.
	Again, they have no social skills.
	At least at that time.
	And now I know they're greys.
	I couldn't even see what my captains were at the time.
	It took a few months before I could catch them in my peripheral vision, and they were these... Well, what I now know, there's what I call the true greys, which are biological beings.
	And then there's the worker beings, which I think a lot of people talk about, and they're half biological and they're half robotic, and those are the short ones with the big heads and the giant eyes.
	I think the eyes are used primarily to soak in any kind of energy source for them to move around.
	Almost kind of like a solar panel, so to speak.
	At some point, Jim, you went to a very important person.
	You went to Dr. Mack to help you in dealing with these people, with the creatures.
	Correct.
	Go ahead, I'm sorry.
	No, that's quite all right.
	Proceed.
	I just wanted to find out how Dr. Mack dealt with you and how he helped you.
	Well, Dr. Mack came in, I came into his picture, he came into mine.
	Oh, gosh.
	I could be off a couple years, more or less, because this is 18 years of this.
	Right around 94, so that would have been 88 and 6, yeah, that would have been like 6 years later.
	Because for 6 years I was paralyzed and couldn't do anything.
	But, well, I can tell you about, you were asking me how they How they made me do things was punishment and reward.
	It was real simple, but I can get into that in a minute.
	I went to my first abductee support group meeting right around 1995, I think it was, six or seven years later.
	Again, I didn't even know these things were around.
	And the then director of MUFON for Rhode Island, David Rubin, happened to be at the meeting
	because he wintered in Florida and he was a friend of Dr.
	Max.
	He was listening, of course, to some of the stories and the experiences, and through David is how I met John.
	What was really cool about John, John Mack was just so special.
	Yeah, you know he was the pioneer.
	He had to take the rotten eggs and tomatoes thrown at him.
	I know.
	I did a good solid 12, 13 interviews with John Mack, Jim, so I know him very well.
	Well, I got pretty close with him too.
	I was really lucky.
	But what John enjoyed with myself was the fact that the experiences were conscious.
	He was writing Passport to the Cosmos at the time.
	I was able to fill in some gaps where people don't have the memory or
	they don't retain the memory because none of the experiences did come from regression.
	Although I think regression is good, but in my case it never was necessary.
	And so a relationship flowered at that point.
	Punishment, you mentioned they conditioned you with punishment and then some sort of reward, I suppose, what they considered to be good.
	So when we get back from the break, Jim, let's go into that a little bit.
	We've got so much to take care of tonight, so much information.
	Stay right where you are.
	Ladies and gentlemen, I told you this was going to be a very special night.
	Jim Sparks.
	Is indeed a very special guy.
	And he's going to recount to you in great detail, because he remembers in great detail, years and years of abductions.
	What they want, what they did, and where we're going.
	I'm Art Bell.
	I sure wish some of those PhDs that I interview all the time, some of those very reputable scientists, could listen to what Jim Sparks is saying tonight.
	Those fellows who say, well, give me some proof.
	As you listen to Jim Sparks, I think you would conclude, as I think they would conclude, that it would be worth a few investigative dollars to look into this because it's really happening.
	It's going to unfold before your ears this night.
	Jim Sparks is my guest.
	I'm Mark Bell.
	In basic training, having a drill sergeant right up in your face with invective and screaming
	is quite enough to terrify the hell out of a basic recruit, I can assure you.
	Jim, you said you went through a kind of basic and they gave you punishment and reward of what sort?
	Well, from the very first moment on board and particularly again the first 18 months were like this and then it tapered off a little bit.
	Again, after six years, I kind of look forward to telling you what happened after that, but from the very first day, the letter A, the letter A appeared on the screen in front of me that I was mentioning, and then an equivalent, which I thought was an alien language, well, I later now know more what that is, but I didn't know what was going on at the time, to the letter A was next to it, and they wanted me to trace Uh, that equivalent of A, with my right forefinger on that table in front of me.
	And so there would be like a demonstration of how to do the A, which was one stroke to the right, one stroke to the left, one stroke to the right.
	And then I yelled out, no.
	And of course, who are you?
	Why are you doing this?
	And one thing I've learned about them and For a fact, I can't stand questions, and I can get into that later.
	You don't ask them questions, they tell you when they want you to know something, and that's just all there is to it.
	There's no other way around it.
	But anyhow, I screamed and yelled, no, I won't do that.
	Well, immediately after that, the air pressure in the room increased with a thump, like, thump.
	And it was pain in my ears, and I just went, ow!
	And then, again, A. And I could hear this in my brain, And I didn't hear it in my ears.
	I heard just the word, A. A. And I went, No!
	And then the air pressure increased again until the pain was even more.
	And every time I refused to do it, it just kept stepping up in levels and levels and levels until it got to the point where I couldn't take it.
	And I did the stroke for the letter A. And then all of a sudden, a sense of euphoria.
	Where you just feel no pain, you feel real comfortable, and that made me real mad.
	See, I was really hard.
	I said, I know what you're doing, you know.
	It's like I'm some laboratory mouse.
	Here mouse, have a piece of cheese, and I'm not going to enjoy this euphoria.
	But as, and it was painful, it hurt, and then boom, I would be back home.
	And well, There's just so much to say in that regard.
	It sounds kind of like a basic intelligence test, Jim, which would indicate to me that if they were only trying to get you to trace an A, obviously they wanted to see if you could do it, or they wanted to see if they could force you to do it, or I'm not sure what the motivation of this was, but it could have been just a very basic intelligence test, which would indicate they didn't know a whole lot about us at that point.
	They didn't, and what they were actually teaching Which I was resistant to it at the time, and you're right.
	They didn't.
	They just didn't.
	They just have their way of thinking, and we're human, and they're not.
	It's just that simple.
	But it turned out to be something where you can take 20 pages of text and assemble the size of a quarter.
	They could show it to you, and you could absorb all the text and know exactly what it was.
	That's what all this was leading to.
	But it took years for me to, because I wouldn't cooperate with them, and then, you know, I would have, the abductions were happening two, three times a week, week after week, month after month.
	I remember, you know, I ran, and I'm straightforward and honest, and everybody knew me that way, and I ran to the church with it, and they said, oh gee, this is demonic.
	My family thought I lost it.
	My friends were going like, you know, what is with you, Jim?
	But I stuck to my story.
	And I did for a long time.
	Well, several months in the beginning until I realized that, hey, you know, and I even tried to run from these guys.
	Well, I kept my mouth shut about it.
	I realized that people weren't going to believe me and that was it.
	And so I just tolerated all this stuff for many years just on my own.
	Jim, there are a lot of abductees that have tried different schemes to prevent being abducted.
	Putting video cameras up, putting alarm systems in and on and on and on and on.
	Did you try any of that?
	Well, I had sort of like the caveman approach.
	Again, I was just so filled with hatred.
	When I realized how people reacted to this, It really wasn't in me to try and prove it was true at that point.
	What I wanted to do was make it stop.
	So I did things which I now laugh about, but I tried different things because they create some kind of field which makes them walk through walls.
	I stuck with the fact that this is technology.
	It's nothing else.
	Don't sway from it, Jim.
	Don't think they're anything other than some advanced creatures with high technology.
	So I tried things like I would at the time as you said I was in Houston so I would check out a hotel room in the middle of a super large hotel in the middle of downtown Houston thinking okay I can be here and they won't get me and they would get me.
	I drove hundreds of miles and I'd check out motels to try and get away and they'd find me there and then I would go from state to state.
	Needless to say it messed up my business pretty good.
	My marriage at the time.
	Of course they are.
	Did your marriage hold together?
	No, actually it didn't.
	It did after things got better with the interaction with them, but our marriage for other reasons did not.
	How about business, Jim?
	In those early years I had a buffer because I was the type that worked all the time, 10, 12, 14, 16 hours a day at what I was doing and so I had a pretty good buffer and so I was able to rely on that for for for several years afterwards and then it went down and went back up and then you know as I adjusted to all of this you know things are a lot better.
	Okay, so this boot camp Jim was in order to get you to be absorbing large amounts of information very quickly.
	Is that what it was all about?
	Well, as it turned out that's just one of the things.
	But the reward and punishment sessions were Became a little more interesting, even though I was highly resistant for a long period of time, but then the rewards would be things like, um, they would answer a question.
	So, uh, if I cooperated... After the letter A came the letter B, and I just couldn't believe it.
	It was weeks or a month or more before I even... That's how resistant I was to not cooperating.
	Uh, to where you finally went to the letter B, then it went to the letter C, all the way through.
	No Qs and no Zs.
	Don't ask me why.
	And also a number system that was based on a six base and the symbols for all of that.
	But I could, at the end of, if I cooperated, and oh, it started to get kind of cool because if I cooperated, I got to go home faster.
	That was one thing.
	Then I could ask a question and get an answer, something they don't like.
	One thing about us humans is we just can't help ourselves.
	We're always going to ask questions.
	Who are you?
	Where are you from?
	Why are you here?
	Are those the initial questions you did ask?
	As I started to understand their nature, I would ask basic questions, but I started seeing what they were like and what other people would be around them and what they were so used to hearing or absorbing.
	I don't know if they hear.
	So I would plan questions based around Something other than what perhaps they wouldn't expect.
	And I think that drew a lot of attention to me at times.
	Now, some other parts of the reward session were that I could play with some gizmos.
	Meaning that... Is it okay for me to go to that?
	It is, but just before you do, if you wouldn't mind, you would ask a question vocally.
	They would give you an answer, which I presume was given to you mentally?
	Yes, it was always telepathic.
	They never spoke.
	Okay, can you give me a couple of examples of questions and answers you got?
	Well, who are you?
	Who are you?
	And I ask that And scream that and yell that for months and months and months and months and I they would they would take these Symbols of these letters and then I would they had a cursive way of doing it and then I was starting to put together Like a like a way to communicate with them through the symbols and that's what they wanted me to do instead of the telepathic stuff they wanted me to sketch and think the symbols and
	to talk to them, and then that's how they would talk back to me with the symbols.
	You see what I'm saying?
	Sure.
	And so if I was a good laboratory mouse, and I cooperated, then they would answer.
	So one particular evening, I knew I had done well with some ambiguous puzzles and symbols, and I could tell that they have no emotions that they do.
	They're not emotions that I can understand.
	But I could sense that they were pleased with it, so I screamed out, you know, who are you?
	And of course I gave them a snotty snide answer after they told me, because I didn't like the answer.
	And it was so corny, but they said, we're star people.
	Star people.
	That's what I said.
	Star people?
	You're star people?
	I said, I'm a people.
	You're not a people.
	You can't.
	The star part, I can believe.
	But people, you are not people.
	So I still wasn't embracing alien ways, clearly, at that point.
	So they referred themselves to star people.
	Another time during the course of that first six years, bearing in mind while all of this was going on, they would They would do some bizarre emotional experiments to see how I would react to things, like killing in particular.
	And also, semen extraction was always part of an abduction experience.
	It's like, you know, you couldn't go home without donating semen whether you liked it or not.
	So that was a constant with this also.
	There are many, many, many, including my best friend Whitley Strieber, of course, who tearfully related that.
	He was very embarrassed by it.
	So I guess it seems to be integral to the abduction experience.
	And there are many people who draw an inference from that that the motivation behind all of this is somehow genetic, that it's related to genetics.
	Well, yes it is, and I may see different types of ETs, or extraterrestrials, or greys, in my experience, better than 90% of my contact or experience have been with what are commonly referred to as greys.
	Five, maybe three or five percent, or a little more than that, have been what people, what are scaled beings, and people commonly refer to them as reptilians, but yeah, the genetic part is there in their agenda, but I See, I observed, and these worker beings kind of intrigued me, because those are the ones with the huge eyes.
	Now, the greys have bigger eyes than we do, but not nearly as huge as these workers.
	And I surmised over the years that These worker beings were created, they were half biological and half robotic, and I surmise that the biological material was coming from us.
	They were actually farming us through raw materials to make those things.
	That's at least one part of what they do.
	Alright, you moved from the punishment-reward phase, where you were totally resisting and very, very obviously angry, to a point where you began to cooperate with them.
	Is that fair?
	Because, that's right, because I knew I could always go home quicker.
	And you call that part of the reward thing.
	So the more I cooperated, the faster it would get over with and I could go home.
	But yes, that's fair.
	How hard was it after an experience to make the transition?
	I mean, my God, every day you had to come back.
	You said it was happening two or three times a week.
	You had to come back and there was your wife, there was your business, there was the real world, and you had to make the transition back to the real world.
	How hard was that?
	It wasn't a good transition in those first six years at all.
	Relative to the whole, when you look at the big picture, yeah, I handled it well, but relative to those first few years, no.
	I wasn't adjusting, and again, like I said, I had a buffer there where I could, I had one business where I had a partnership with a gentleman and his wife, and they were trusted friends, and they ran that aspect of the business, because I couldn't even, that was in North Carolina, where I couldn't even become part of it anymore.
	It consumed me, and I went through all kinds of phases with this, because I never was one for alcohol or drugs or anything like that.
	Sure, I would socially drink and things, but I started drinking, and it was not like me to drink like I was.
	I mean, I got to the point where I looked like I stopped eating.
	I dropped between 35 and 50 pounds, and I was only at the time like 180, and I dropped 35 to 50 pounds from that.
	At my lowest point, I looked like Howard Hughes, I think.
	I kind of joke about it, like Howard Hughes did with the fingernails and the long hair and not shaving and all that.
	I woke up one morning and I said to myself, I looked at myself and said, that's it.
	I am not going to let this happen.
	I'm not going to let them do this to me.
	That's it.
	And I brought myself right back up almost immediately within a few weeks or months and it didn't turn anything to numb me.
	In other words, the more I numbed myself, the harder it was on myself, if you follow what I'm saying.
	No, it wasn't good.
	It was awful.
	It was terrible.
	It was traumatic.
	And again, the M.O.
	with this thing is isolation.
	So I was isolated.
	Nobody believed me.
	Jim, what did you do?
	Did you first go to your wife with this?
	Well, I touch on this a bit because I learned real quick that they had an involvement with her because from time to time I would see her And an abduction experience way in the back of the room or in the corner somewhere, and it would be a glimpse.
	But she was, at the time, when I would mention it to her or confront it with her, and it fascinates me today when I think about it, and she won't argue it, but she gave these, like, program responses to any of my questions.
	And, you know, now this is the woman I lived with, this is the one I slept with, this is the one I was in love with, this is the one I held, this is the one that knew me intimately.
	And I would look at her face and say, Teresa, I know you remember seeing me.
	And then she would be herself for like a brief moment.
	It's kind of scary what I'm telling you.
	I mean, things did get a lot better with this, but this is the stuff at the beginning.
	And she'd look at me like herself and start to say, yeah, I saw.
	And then she would stop and then she would give me the same like program responses.
	Like, uh, I wouldn't know about anything like that.
	She would even talk funny.
	And if I pressed it further, Uh, my life became, um, more difficult than it was.
	So she became unlike herself and, you know, everybody has their moods and their ways and, you know, they're up, they're down and so forth, but the downs were not like her.
	And so I learned pretty quick, Hey, her way of coping is it doesn't, it's not happening.
	And, and there was, I think a little bit of, you know, programming there, so to speak from them.
	And again, Art, the idea was, as you say, you know, I like the way you put it with your experience in the service and how boot camp works, and you kind of put even more of a clarity for me on it, because it was to keep me isolated, keep me in fear, and keep me in confusion, in a sense to mold me to the way they are, because they are different.
	They are certainly not like us.
	And that was all part of the way that thing worked.
	Okay, then you went to others as well.
	I assume that you went to some business colleagues or friends or your family?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I laugh about it now and they just said, you know, they really appalled me.
	I think what really hurt me the most was anybody that knew me knew that I was straight and I, you know, I tell it like it is and how I see it and you know, and so on and I don't make things up.
	It was just, they reacted in a way that was, I couldn't believe.
	I mean, they just wouldn't take any of it as being possible.
	And then, so, it was my brother, I believe, my brother who said to me, you know something, Jim?
	He said, as long as you don't talk about this stuff, you're perfectly fine.
	And that's how everybody sees you.
	So, that was something that I, I took to heart and I stopped talking about it to my family.
	Well, of course, now they see it completely different.
	And Jim was OK, just as long as he didn't talk about this stuff.
	All right, Jim.
	Hold it right there.
	We're already at the top of the hour.
	Boy, this is flying by.
	Jim Sparks is my guest.
	He's an abductee, obviously a very honest one, and one who remembers just about everything.
	Listen to what's going to unfold.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Here I am.
	Good day, everybody.
	The winds now from Typhoon Uthor, which is a Category 3 typhoon, passing through the Visayas area of the Philippines, just to the south, just to the south of us, roughly exactly south of us right now.
	It's coming down in sheets here, as we have one of the best shows we've ever had, probably the best abductee program we've ever had.
	His name is Jim Sparks.
	He was a real estate developer, investor, really a money guy, a big business guy, and then the abductions began.
	Years and years of abductions.
	To the best of my knowledge, it still goes on.
	We will continue to explore with Jim in a moment.
	Once again, Jim Sparks.
	Jim, welcome back.
	You got an answer from these beings that they were, quote, the Star People, end quote.
	Now, did you ever learn anything different?
	Was Star People the one and only answer you got, or did it ever get more specific?
	Well, again, Art, over the years, even as the reward sessions evolved, I learned that There were very few times that I can get a direct answer to questions and it was whatever really they wanted me to know and whenever they felt it was time for me to know, I would get those kind of answers.
	Another time I had asked, kind of jumping around, but I had asked during a vigorous period of an experience with cooperating with what they wanted me to do.
	I asked if I could go.
	If I wanted to, could I travel with you guys?
	To put it simple.
	And there was a long pause and then the answer was yes.
	And then I didn't respond fast because I don't.
	I've learned a certain degree how to deal with them.
	And then I said, well, if I didn't like it, could I come back?
	And then there was another long pause, and the answer was no.
	And I said, okay, I think I'll just stay here.
	You know what went through my mind was silly things, but it means a lot when you think about it, because it's really cool to be human.
	And the smell of cut grass.
	A hot dog.
	No more cold beers.
	Once you start seeing that kind of reality and thinking, well, gee, I can't come back here, And not really being told what to expect.
	I just felt like, no, I guess I'll be fine here.
	No more football.
	You wrote a book called The Keepers.
	How long ago did you write this book?
	I started it in, I started it almost 10 years ago, and it went to, it took a couple years
	to write, it took about a year editing, and then it, I wasn't really strong about trying
	to move it.
	Random House bought it, and they held it for three years, but they never published it.
	And then John, as in John Mack, introduced the book here a couple years ago, or the manuscript at the time, to Granite Publishing.
	And they're the ones that have it now, and it's published.
	Maybe it was good for you.
	I've written books and it's very cathartic to write a book.
	It really is.
	To go back over the experiences, it's very cathartic.
	It's good for you.
	Anyway, you explained that you were trained by the Greys and have had dealings with the Reptilians.
	Whatever you can, just for a moment, stop and describe these two creatures and the differences between them and what you think of them, I'd appreciate.
	Sure.
	The greys are non-emotional.
	Like I mentioned earlier, they're totally telepathic.
	They think at least a hundred times faster.
	They process information a hundred times faster.
	That's another reason why I just can't have a conversation with them.
	The greys also, one thing about a human being is that we all have our false faces or our facades, which is perfectly normal.
	Meaning that if I first meet you, I don't know you, and I put up sort of a fence until I get to know you, and then I kind of let my guard down if I feel comfortable.
	Well, with these guys, when they communicate, they rip right through it, and they know everything about you.
	And I'm talking about the way the Greys are, and then I'm going to talk about the Reptilians, because I think the Reptilians get a bad rap.
	Am I okay with the details so far?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	One thing about the Greys, also, is they radiate an energy that is miserably, and stinkingly, I guess, miserably uncomfortable.
	I've also learned that that energy that they radiate, the higher the rank or the higher the authority, the more miserable the energy feels.
	Meaning that if they're 50 or 80 feet away, your spine starts to stiffen up, your breathing starts to become fast as they draw closer to you.
	And this is a natural thing with them, or it's a natural thing that's amplified by technology as a defense mechanism.
	So the reason I'm telling you this to define the difference in reptilians, because they're almost like us in a sense, but going back to that, the closer they get to you, And again, depending on rank and power, that expresses authority.
	Your body starts to shut down first.
	The first thing, your heart races, your breathing gets fast and rapid, you sweat, and then all the glands in your brain that drop all those chemicals to make fear, adrenaline, and all that stuff just dumps into your body.
	And then in a lot of cases, now you're paralyzed as they get closer, then you'll black out.
	It took me years, years, to overcome that sensation.
	And the best way to describe it would be, it's not from this world.
	Is that the only way that you were able to discern the difference in social status or rank, if you will, among the greats?
	Absolutely, because we're talking many hundreds of abductions.
	I know it sounds like a lot, unreal, but it is.
	And different ways to get one to cooperate was A lower-ranking one would do his methods with his horrible feeling energy, and if you resisted it, a more authoritative figure would come in, and even as that one was entering the room, the next thing you know, your heart felt like it was going to stop, your breathing was short, your back stiffened up, you were scared to death, and as you got closer, you could tell the rest of them were in submission to this individual.
	And then he would, they like to look over your head, because again, for those first six years, I was always sitting on this thing, and they would look over the, usually my right-hand side of my head, and as they would stare over my head, it made it nearly impossible, by what they were rating, to resist whatever they wanted to be done, as this thing progressed.
	And then they'd walk out of the room.
	They'd come in, make their entrance, get it done, and walk out, and then the lower-ranking ones would go about whatever task that they wanted to do with you.
	Okay, Jim, was there any difference?
	I mean, I think most of the audience is familiar with the classic picture or visual descriptive of the grays.
	Is it accurate?
	Is there any difference?
	Well, you know, I've learned over the years now there's the cosmos and it's rich with different species of all types of beings.
	I refer to these as, they're commonly referred to as the greys, and pretty much have been pretty much the same species, and they were always too kind.
	One was, they weren't, they, well I don't want, well I'll say what they were.
	They were four and a half, five feet tall, but they're, in my eyes now, and as the years have progressed, they're perfect.
	I don't mean they're perfect beans.
	I'm not claiming to embrace Alien culture and because I I still have a I have I don't have a 100% trust I'm always leery but what I mean by perfect is that the way they're built and the way they walk and the way they can get around and the way they burn energy is they're extremely economic in a sense so they're streamlined they're strong it's the thin fingers yes and the eyes are bigger
	Then our eyes are, you know, much bigger actually, and what I call the true aliens, or the true greys, and their face is, the skin is leather-like.
	They're, I don't know if they're wearing clothes, I don't know if it's a suit, because they either look naked or it's a real thin suit.
	I was about to ask that.
	And they're not, there's no sexual differentiation?
	The groin area is, If it's covered, you can't see it.
	It's like mashed in, where you couldn't tell.
	I always get a sense, and I have over the years, that better than 95% of the grays that I've encountered were male.
	On rare occasions, I've had experiences with a feminine touch, where I thought it was women.
	That's kind of where I was going to go later, but I'll touch on it now.
	No, no, that's fine.
	Why did you think, I mean, other than, with no obvious sexual reference, why would you think male or female?
	Well, as the years went on and as the interactions evolved, see, I was always paralyzed.
	They finally cut me loose.
	In fact, the first few times they cut me loose, I kicked one.
	That was another question whether you had any physical interaction.
	I was about to ask that, too.
	Yeah, it took him a lot of years to let me loose.
	Now, I wouldn't hurt him now, but all I ever wanted to do, and I would scream this at him, all I want to do is squeeze your fat heads off your skinny little neck so your fat head pops.
	And if any opportunity I had to turn me loose to kill him, that's all I wanted to do.
	And as I was mentioning earlier, the loathing and the anger is what kept me in one piece.
	and kept my memory intact.
	So they screen imaged all the time.
	In the beginning years, they tried to act as if they were angelic
	and they could make themselves look that way and I would shake it off
	because I learned how to shake off that energy and say, hey, bull do do.
	Then at times it would come on like, okay, we're the devil.
	And I'd go, yeah, right, you're the devil.
	He flies around in a UFO and he has rooms, you know, and all of these things and all the other tricks that they
	do.
	So what they do is they use the least amount of energy to convince you
	that whatever they want you to be, they don't have an ego, they don't need to reveal themselves, and whatever works
	for people.
	They're masters.
	We're talking about greys still.
	They're just absolute masters of deception.
	They're committed.
	There's a big argument about what greys are, Jim.
	Some people think they're robotic manufactured creatures.
	Others think they're biological entities.
	It sounds like you think they're biological entities.
	They absolutely, in my experience, are.
	But see, they have more amongst them worker beings.
	So, I mean, you could have a room of them, let's say, on board.
	Let's say there's a dozen in a room.
	Ten or eleven will be the little worker beings, which I know are partially robotic, because I messed with them.
	Any time I could mess with any of them in my resistant days, I did.
	And, oh God, I can just go on.
	There were times that I tried my hardest to see if I could bring out something human, because I could see there was a bilode, they were robotic.
	You could see something that was metallic, and yet, You know, what I learned about the eyes, I believe the eyes are about the huge eyes that absorb energy so they can move around, just like a solar panel.
	Stimuli, movement, any kind of sound, any kind of movement energizes these things.
	They sound like a machine almost.
	Yes, they are, but the true aliens, again, are taller, so there's this distinct difference.
	They're a few feet taller, they're more streamlined, their heads aren't quite as big, And their faces look like skin, but like a leathery-like skin.
	But we're still talking about what we call greys.
	Greys, yes.
	So there were a couple of categories of greys, and the higher ones you're calling the true aliens.
	Yeah, the taller ones are the flesh and blood, so to speak, if it's flesh or if it's blood like ours, I can't say.
	But the smaller ones that people talk about, like the ones that are three, three and a half feet tall and so forth, In my experience, those are the little robots.
	They're half biological, and they just obey commands.
	I don't want to miss this, Jim.
	I want to go back, because you said, as a reward, at one point, they let you play with gizmos.
	In other words, some of their technical equipment.
	Yeah, the thought-activated technology.
	Intrigued me and see gosh, you know, this is 18 years ago 17 16 years ago art and I'm seeing things develop now Even like I was saying even 18 years ago that a time would come see I didn't even know what windows was and all this stuff But you know, I've seen things akin to that and I'm saying we got that from them But just little hints of what we have today and we're talking 18 years ago 17 16, right?
	but On one particular session, I did real well, so I got to play with, first thing they did was put something like a ball, a little ball, like a little bit bigger than a marble on the table, and I was told that I could think whatever direction I want that ball to roll, and it would.
	And that's exactly what I did.
	So I looked at it, I wanted it to roll up, and it rolled up.
	I wanted it to roll down.
	It wasn't my brain power, okay?
	It was the fact that they can interact with the brainwaves somehow, the technology, and then some field is created, and look, I'm not a scientist, you understand?
	I take as much of the science approach as I can, as a novice scientist in a sense.
	I've learned to be throughout all of this.
	But it's thought-activated, and I thought the ball could roll forward, and it did, or down, right, and left.
	They always challenge you.
	Always challenge you.
	You know, just as you're getting used to something, they gotta throw something else out there to make it harder.
	So they took the ball away, and they put a cube.
	Now they wanted me to think the cube rolling end over end.
	That was harder to do.
	That took a lot more focus.
	That took a lot more concentration.
	And then the cube would go plop, plop, plop.
	You know, a lot slower in whatever direction.
	What was interesting, though, is I did have to keep pretty much of a focus on whatever the object was, because if I, like, turned my head for a second or blinked for a second, it would sometimes fly across the table or fly off the table.
	So whatever field or whatever force they were using to make it move that caught your thoughts, if you didn't have your concentration right, you would lose it and the thing would just fly off the table.
	And then the third object they threw down there was something that looked like a little pyramid.
	And they wanted me to roll or turn the pyramid end over end, you know, point over point, which was much more difficult than just flopping the cube, and of course was five times more difficult than rolling, you know, something that was a little bigger than a marble.
	So when I say play with gizmos, that's some of the stuff that I was able to do.
	Now, this thing evolved to where I...
	I got to see some of their handiwork, I got to see when I was able to move around, but they were doing things to lead me to a point to where I would not harm them as those early years progressed, and they did experiments with whether I would kill things or not, or hurt things or not, if I had the chance to do so.
	In what way?
	How was that expressed?
	Well, even what I didn't share earlier, and actually it was a pretty neat experience, but these guys, I was free territory to them.
	They could do with me whatever they wanted.
	No one believed me.
	My wife left for periods of months on end, which I don't blame her.
	And I would be by myself at home.
	And these guys would come through the walls, walk through the living room, check stuff out in the house, you know.
	And I would be sitting there like a zombie going like, there's nothing I can do about this.
	This is insanity.
	And so they would even check out my living environment and walk around.
	You must have wondered at times about your sanity, did you?
	Yeah, but you know, I knew.
	You know how you know.
	And I I learned, you know, not to talk about the stuff, to observe it, and you know something, if you drop a rock on your toe and it hurts, that's real.
	And, you know, there's things that, or there's delusions, you can be delusional, or you can, what do they call that when people see things?
	What do they call that?
	I always get that one messed up.
	Well, there are delusions.
	And the other thing, when you see something like, you can be like, let's say you were You haven't had enough sleep, so you see... It's a silly, simple thing.
	You won't get back to it anyway, will you?
	It happens to people from time to time.
	They can be driving on the road a long time, and they think they see someone walking across the street, and they're not.
	Whatever it is.
	But anyway.
	No, clearly, yeah.
	I mean, you have to examine yourself, and you have to wonder.
	And the only time I really thought I was losing it was Losing it to the fact that all these things were happening and it was real, and could I cope with it and take it?
	Alright, alright.
	God, here we are already at the bottom of the hour.
	Hold tight, Jim.
	When we come back, they taught you an alphabet, I think, that was different than the A, B, C, D, R alphabet minus a couple of letters.
	They taught you a separate alphabet, theirs.
	Is that correct?
	I would say it's a middle ground communication system, and it's also basic elementary ways of learning how to be telepathic as humans, too.
	It has all of that in there.
	All right.
	Hold tight, Jim.
	All right, everybody.
	There's so much information to come from Jim Sparks.
	We're going to try to fit it in.
	From Manila, the Philippines, where it's coming down in sheets of rain, I'm Art Bell.
	Yes it is.
	If abductee interviews get any better than this, I've never heard them nor done them.
	Jim Sparks is my guest.
	Years and years of being abducted and lots of details.
	We'll get right back to them.
	Alright, as much detail as we're getting on...
	Obviously, Jim has written a book called The Keepers, An Alien Message for the Human Race.
	We haven't even gotten to that yet, and we will.
	It's available, I'm sure, Amazon.com and all the usual places.
	So you're really going to want to go jump on that one.
	Go to Amazon, check it out.
	Here's a book obviously worth reading, The Keepers, An Alien Message for the Human Race.
	Go dig it up, find it, buy it.
	All right, Jim.
	They first taught you, or forced you, I guess would be the right way to put it, to trace out our own letters, and then did they move partially to an alphabet that was not ours but part of theirs so that eventually your communication was sort of a mixed bag?
	Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
	And I don't claim to be an expert on it yet because it's still Progressing, so to speak, over the years.
	It's not the main focal point with interaction now, but it's still there.
	It's discipline in this respect.
	What I believe I'm learning about the ability to communicate via non-verbally, telepathically, is that in our minds, for example, One that's not practicing it, I'd want to hear your thoughts in my head, so to speak.
	And what I've learned is that you take your words or your thoughts and you put them into symbols.
	And I think the brainwaves are scattered all over in your brain, but it forces them into a symbol.
	So now you can pick up a strong reading, so to speak.
	And it's almost like, to simplify it, it would be like Moore's Code.
	Is is new at learning Morse code would hear dots and dashes and then we learn how to convert dot dot dash dash whatever into a word one who is learned at the art would.
	That's correct.
	I'm one of those people.
	Oh.
	So that's exactly how it goes.
	And in the beginning, of course, as you pointed out, you're just hearing dots and dashes, and you're converting.
	You're having to convert, for example, did-da, which is A. You hear the did-da, then you see the did-da on your mind, and you convert it to an A. But after years of doing CW Morse Code, you no longer hear You no longer do that conversion in your head so it's very very fast and you begin hearing words and entire sentences and you even stop writing it down.
	Alright Jim, so they were able obviously to communicate telepathically with virtually anybody but in order to get more out of the communication that's why this alphabet, these symbols.
	You got it.
	So and I think, you know, every brain You know, I'm not, again, I'm not a scientist, I'm not a doctor, but you know, there's brainwaves, they're electrical, that's a transmission.
	And then all you need is something that's sensitive enough to be a receiver.
	But if you can concentrate or focus those brainwaves into the symbols in your head.
	And part of the learning was I had to feel it, feel the motion, sense the motion of the symbol.
	And they were strict about the direction of the symbols for each letter and sounding it out in the beginning.
	So I had to sound it out, sense the direction or the energy of the direction, vision it in my mind, and then that's how they would communicate back.
	And, you know, they're teasers.
	You want a little bit of reward session?
	Then you've got to talk to us the way we're showing you or forget it, you know?
	Got it.
	All right, Jim.
	Look, you're Jim Sparks.
	You're a real estate guy, a developer, made condos, put together condos, that kind of thing.
	Why you?
	Why not?
	I mean, you're just an average citizen.
	Why pick on you?
	Why abduct you?
	Why not a government official, for example?
	Later on, as I learned, they track family lines from day one.
	That's one strong thing.
	Another, for whatever reason, and I can get into how I was shown that, because I used to scream that out, why me, why me, a lot too.
	And again, I did a good session and I got my answers, kind of neat the way they showed it.
	And another, as it came out later, when I started having a few experiences with reptilians, or the scaly guys, Bumpy heads and stuff.
	You know, they give you corny answers sometimes, and they're so corny and they're so simple, but they're so pure and true.
	At first you just go, oh, come on.
	And then when you think about it, it's us that diversifies off of facts, or goes off and diversifies, goes off of facts, goes out on wings.
	But they did make contact with Power leaders and power brokers and things of that nature, and the response... I'm sorry, did I... No, I said, oh, I mean, what do you know about that?
	Yeah, and the response was, what they did was made money and weapons with it.
	You know, so they gave technology... Look, I'm not going to go into conspiracy stuff and things of that nature, because these experiences I've seen Human beings, I've seen military individuals on board.
	Yep, that's been there.
	And it's a big part of it.
	I've also seen, well anyway, the explanation for that is that's how we went about it.
	There's a strong environmental concern, which I can get into what led to that, because it's pretty exciting what led to that, because it was a mass abduction with lots of people.
	And I got to walk around free and be part of it was one of the first times I got to do anything and it took years to get to that point and I can share it with you if there's time tonight.
	You're telling me then that our government has ongoing contact, ongoing agreements with these extraterrestrials, is that so?
	Yeah, which we break regularly.
	According to them.
	Which we break regularly.
	Which we break regularly.
	According to them, yeah.
	And it's the same stuff, I hate to say, greed, money, power, weapons.
	Can you recall any specific military officials you saw on board?
	Well, one experience that sticks with me was I had gotten pulled the hard way and it was different because when I had regained, this was when I was still living in I was in Florida at the time.
	One of the things I did was I abandoned my home in the Houston area back in 19, literally abandoned it.
	It stayed vacant for a year and I ended up renting it out for like 10 years and I finally sold it.
	I left the house because I thought I could escape it.
	I was in Florida at the time and I had gotten pulled.
	When I came to, I was in a hangar.
	And above Ground Hangar, and I knew I was in Nevada.
	I knew I was in Nevada.
	I knew I was in Nevada.
	I was sitting on a gurney.
	The hangar door was open.
	I could hear fighter jets landing and taking off in succession.
	Up against the walls were military, they looked like military police.
	maybe army, I wasn't sure.
	And their backs were up against the wall of the hangers and they were like 15 feet apart
	and they were guarding the interior and they had sidearms and they were us, the USA,
	because I could tell by the uniform and the way they looked.
	And I was sitting on a gurney when I came to and I was sitting up
	and this experience was really different, but it's one of the clearest with people
	because it was as if I was drugged.
	I was in slow motion, so I couldn't jump off the table.
	And I'll tell you what experiments they were doing, too, in a second.
	But I can move real slow, and I had my wits about me, about 75%.
	And I can see these military MP or security guards up against the wall, guarding it, the perimeter of it, from the inside.
	To my right was a couple of steps, three or four steps higher on a pedestal, and there
	were these two tubes.
	What made the tubes extremely odd was you could see it was almost like a jar in a sense.
	They were about four feet, five feet in circumference.
	They were about 10 feet tall, and almost like a chrome top on it and a chrome bottom, these
	two tubes, but there was no glass.
	There was nothing holding these things up.
	But inside of them was, and one in particular, I was looking at one, was a woman.
	I was sitting on this gurney, and then there was this woman in one of them, and then there
	was this military officer because I could see he was in an officer's uniform, but he
	had his jacket off.
	And then next to him was a true alien.
	And there's this rod that always appeared.
	I maybe sometimes can talk about it.
	One of the tools I've seen on board a lot was this thing that looked like almost like a wand, like a magic wand, but it wasn't.
	It was like a technical tool wand.
	It's done a lot of things, and it's something with thought, and they could focus it on things, and our people were messing with it, too.
	So, our guy, officer guy, had this wand.
	And it looked like he was a rod, it wasn't a wand, but a rod, and he was about to touch this girl with it, and I did not like that, and I don't know why I had a connection there.
	I knew that I didn't like the fact that he was doing that, and I started to get up off the table, so it was like they brought me there first, and I think they brought her there second.
	The alien, I think, was teaching these guys, or instructing these guys, our people, how to transport, but not quite the way they do, through these tube things, and so I had the sense about me that I had to get up there and somehow touch this woman or pull this woman out of this tube because they're going to hurt her, and I was in slow motion, so I slid up off the gurney.
	You know, this was me.
	Whatever I could do to do something, I was doing something.
	I slid up off the gurney, and I started working my way towards the steps to get up to where they were, and I was so slow, and I could hear The security personnel, or military police, or security personnel, I can hear their steps echoing or running at me inside this hangar, and I can hear the patter of their feet, ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta, all running to stop me.
	And the officer, the one that had the rod, told them to stop.
	He says, I'll handle this.
	And so he didn't stop me, and I was going up to touch this girl and I reached inside this thing
	and there was no glass and I was Trying to feel her and I couldn't feel anything. So it was
	almost like a hologram I was trying to grab her and then he said to stop and I
	wouldn't stop and he took that rod and He tapped the back of my hand with it and it stung I went
	ow And then he did it again. He kept tapping it tapping it
	burning and burning it hurt and hurt till I finally stopped And I then found myself back on the gurney so anyway, there
	was more to that and I don't know how much time risk pieces Jim, this indicates a level of involvement and agreement between our government and the extraterrestrials that I didn't even suspect.
	I mean, in other words, we're talking about they're being in a hangar, they're training each other essentially, exchange of technology.
	It sounds like There's a big deal between at least our government and them.
	There is, but you've got to bear in mind, and I've learned this over the years, that 99.9% of the government at face value doesn't have a clue this is going on.
	I divide it up in three sections, and this is what I've learned.
	I call that level of American government the BBB, the Black Budget Boys.
	It's kind of a pun.
	But there's a second level of government that believes it knows what's going on and those are the ones that are back engineering ships those are the ones that do some of the things that of course it's all top secret and they're not even hardly aware or even aware of the the real black black dark black ops or that what I call the BBB again in pun which is this group that I'm relating to you so when you when you when you point your fingers at the government and say
	Hey, you guys know better than 99%.
	They really don't.
	But it's neat how they do it, actually.
	The security or the secrecy of the thing.
	Of course it disgusts me.
	Of course it frustrates me.
	Of course it makes me angry.
	Of course I know there's better ways.
	There's free energy and all these things that I've seen through the years.
	Maybe another time we can talk about that stuff.
	Some of the things I've seen.
	And I know it works.
	And I know we have that stuff.
	And I know it can be a better place.
	And I know it's this greed and paranoia for National security and so forth and some of these areas I can't blame us but again, it's such a small percentage and it's hidden within hidden within hidden.
	And that's really interacting with these guys.
	But yeah, they are.
	A number of times already you've mentioned ships.
	Were there any times during the abductions, perhaps on the ground in the hangar, or any other time when you really got a very good look, perhaps from different angles, at what their craft were like?
	Yeah, and that took years.
	In fact, One of the best experiences as they started evolving to more of a normalcy for what would be considered normal with these guys.
	I just learned how to behave around them.
	Just keep your mouth shut and things unfold.
	I'm putting it simple, but there's more to it, but that's basically it.
	Because my experiences were on board those first six years, They started experimenting with me and see the lead to this because actually I can answer that question about the exterior of craft and also, you know, pretty much earth shattering.
	One of the first biggest event with me where they cut me loose and I could run around and see stuff and be free.
	But there were things that led to that.
	All I wanted to do was But yes, I have.
	And it was probably the most drop-dead gorgeous sight I ever had in my life, the first time I got to see the stuff from the exterior.
	But what led to that was, now I know what their concerns were.
	Will this guy tear the ship apart?
	Will he kill us?
	Will he try to if we turn him loose?
	And I was dead set to kill an alien.
	I had made up my mind that right around the end of the sixth year of this going on that I was going to shoot an alien.
	Because periodically they would come to my home and so I had went and bought myself a 357 Magnum and I went and this was during a period when I was just dead set the next time they walked through the walls I'm not going to sit there like a dummy.
	I'm going to shoot them.
	I'm going to shoot one of them.
	And to get up my courage, I went and bought a bottle of vodka.
	Can you imagine me in my nervous state?
	Yeah, I'm stable.
	Sure, let me have this .357 Magnum and a bottle of vodka.
	And I sat one particular evening, I was sitting on my easy chair.
	And I had the 357 in my right hand and I had and it was loaded and I had the bottle of vodka in my left hand and I was just drinking it straight out of the bottle and I started hearing some noises on in the ceiling so I knew I was about to get a visit and so I took another giant swig of the vodka and the technology now doesn't You know, scare me or eek me out like it used to, because it's simply technology, as if, like, we would use a remote control, turn on TV, they can turn, use remote control to be in other dimensions, invisibility, whatever it is they want to do.
	And so, they came through the walls, and, well, there was two of them, and one of them, the one that was up front, now, I've got this pistol, okay?
	And I've, and I'm taking this pistol, and I'm, I'm pointing it, At him, as he's walking around in the house, and I'm saying, I gotta pull the trigger, I gotta do this, I gotta do this, I take another swig of the vodka to get my courage up, and I'm gonna do it, and he walks over to the television set, and he starts fooling with it, so then I yell out something pretty rude, like, you guys come a godzillion miles, you've got all this technology, but yet you're so stupid, you don't even know how to turn on a television set, and I'm gonna kill you.
	And I caught the trigger and I pointed the gun and my hand was shaking and I couldn't do it.
	And telepathically, he didn't even turn around.
	His back was towards me.
	He said, we know you're not a killer.
	I guess they did.
	Yeah.
	Oh, you're not a killer.
	Yeah.
	They did those tests.
	All right, listen, I still want to know about the ships.
	Yeah, that's what's going to lead to that.
	All right, good.
	We're coming up on a break, so just hold tight right there.
	Jim Sparks is my guest, and clearly The very best abductee interview we've ever done, and we're only through part of it.
	Good evening, everybody.
	As the sheets of typhoon rain sweep their way across Manila, with the center of the typhoon to the south of us, it's going to be up around 315 kilometers per hour.
	315 kilometers per hour I'm art bell
	Good morning, good evening. Good afternoon, whatever it is Jim Sparks is my guest.
	Years and years of being abducted.
	He's now one of those who doesn't remember, he remembers.
	90% better of what happened to him.
	He's got the details.
	We'll query him about a little extra time if I can get it from Jim.
	I'm now notifying the network we may run a little overtime on this interview so we'll see how it goes.
	Jim Sparks, my guest, back in a moment.
	Jim Sparks, welcome back to the program.
	Jim, if I need another hour from you, can you give it to me?
	Well, I have to work in the morning, but for you and your show, sure.
	You know, I can't tell my clients what I was doing tonight.
	Many of your clients may know.
	Jim, let's go to the ships.
	I really want a description of what you saw.
	We've had so many descriptions from the audience of what these things are like.
	I've had my own sighting for that matter.
	Sure.
	What did you see?
	Well, shortly after the I-Didn't-Shoot-Em incident or experience, I had gotten pulled And this marked an extremely unusual turn in the interaction with these guys.
	When I got pulled the hard way, when I came to, I was standing up, I was not on board, and I was on the good old earth, and a clearing in the woods, meaning that The woods were cleared about the size of a football field, as if it had just been done.
	And I was standing, and I was able to move.
	So I had all my mental faculties.
	I had all my physical abilities.
	Below me, standing below me on the ground in the woods, were about a dozen or 15 people just spewed, laid on the ground.
	Most of them were naked.
	As if they had gotten pulled from their sleep and brought over there.
	Some were in nightgowns.
	Wow.
	And there was one other guy, and then I had this guy, a relationship here, his name is Doug Redonte, and I met him later, and he filmed the video with this thing, and he didn't know what was leading him.
	I kept my mouth shut, but I had... Anyway, this guy was standing, and he was fully dressed.
	He had dress pants on, a long sleeve shirt.
	I could see him clearly and he was talking and all he kept saying was, I was driving my car, I was driving my car.
	He just kept repeating the same thing over again.
	And then the people that were on the ground below me were either totally paralyzed or mostly paralyzed and moaning and groaning.
	And this one woman, I remember, blonde-haired girl, gal, was sitting in the fetal position, rocking back and forth, just scared to death, crying.
	But she was able to move somewhat, just rock back and forth, and most of them were just numb.
	To my left was another, oh, and a gray, just standing there amongst them, and myself, and this guy.
	To my left was another, best way to put it, was another pile of people.
	Um, uh, another 12 or 15 all in the same position, different people with another gray standing there.
	And then to the left of them was a, um, another, um, pile of people.
	And so what had me mesmerized with the fact that I can move, I could walk.
	I was looking at my hands.
	I was looking at the sky.
	And I was thinking to myself, man, this is the first time these guys have just let me like this, you know?
	And I wasn't on board.
	Again, it took a long time before they did that stuff.
	Now, for understandable reasons, once they firmly understood that you were not murderous, I guess you sort of graduated from some point.
	Yeah.
	I guess that's a good way to put it, Art.
	And I was seeing that, and it had taken years to get there, and I was looking at the girl, my attention went to that girl that was moaning in the fetal position, rocking back and forth, and the gray that was standing in my pile of people, so to speak, said to me telepathically, calm her.
	And then the next thought that came to my mind was, God, they're giving me a task now?
	What am I, part of this thing?
	This was a mass abduction.
	So I was like a kid in a way, but I was cool.
	Now you're a senior abductee.
	Yeah, good way to put it.
	So I walked over to her and I put my hand on her shoulder and I said, hey look, you're going to be okay.
	This is going to pass.
	I know you're feeling sick.
	I know you're feeling scared.
	We all feel like that.
	They're going to take you in this room and they're going to teach you this alphabet.
	I don't know what to say.
	I started saying this stuff, and then Greg goes, don't tell her anything.
	Just calm her.
	I think I was making her more nervous when I was saying that.
	And I said, oh, you're going to be all right.
	Don't worry.
	And then the other guy was going, my arm, my arm.
	He was complaining about his arm for some reason, and he was scared.
	This is someone I became very close with here later, who appeared and remembered this stuff.
	Part of it he did, a good part of it.
	Anyway, he said the voice, the telepathic message was clear in my head, calm him.
	So I walked up to him and I said, look man, you're going to be fine.
	He goes, I'm sick.
	I want to throw up.
	I said, yeah, you always feel that way at first.
	I said, it'll always pass.
	And as I was saying that to him, I heard the people below me in my group moaning like they were coming to ship.
	This was kind of weird, Art, because it was like they had some sort of, these were abducted, people being abducted, but they had some sort of knowing that some ships were coming for them, and the ship, they're coming, and I looked over to my left, and it was an overcast evening, which I didn't mention earlier.
	I remember the trees, too.
	They were pine trees.
	So I figured I was, and they were kind of like a southern pine, so I was somewhere in the south in the United States.
	So I kind of geographically placed myself there by the pine trees.
	And to the left I saw, in the horizon, three lights, blobs, just three blobs of light in the midst of the overcast right to the horizon.
	And what they looked like was Uh, you know when they have these, uh, giant candle lights when they're advertising the new car lot or store or something like that, and it kind of looks like that, but, and as I was looking at them, and they were blurry, they weren't that clear at that point, one of them just shot across the sky, and was right above myself and the pile of people that I was with, and was hanging, but he was still above the clouds where you can only see a light,
	And then the second one shot across the sky.
	I mean, in an instant, but you could just see it go across and hung over the second pile of people.
	And then the third one shot across the sky and hung over all this thing, like definitely a formation or they had a purpose mathematically, the sequence.
	And the third one hung over the third group of people.
	Now I'm looking at these two lights and I still can't make anything out because they're above the clouds.
	And then I noticed that the light started getting a little brighter where I was standing.
	So when I was looking, I looked up more at the one that I was under, and it started descending.
	And when it did, and it got below the clouds, it was just one of the most, I just got to say, beautiful.
	That's what I ended up yelling out.
	It's one of the most beautiful, beautiful sights that I had ever seen.
	It didn't look anything I thought A UFO should look like.
	For starters, the bottom of it, as it came through, looked like a... I'd say the thing was the size of, like, four big houses, is what it looked like at least at first.
	And it was like an eggshell at the bottom, where the light was emanating.
	It was one giant beam of light that looked like a not-perfectly-round eggshell shape.
	Um, and then it had a sphere.
	It was spherical, if I'm saying that right.
	Uh, and then it had a dome on the top that I could see, um, windows.
	And I could see, or portals or windows, and in the windows were not just ETs or, uh, gray scrambling behind the scenes.
	I could see people scrambling behind the scenes and looking out the window and looking at the groups and checking things out like, you know, they had just dropped down and saw us.
	The light that was emanating from this thing just got brighter and brighter and it was the clearest, brightest, whitest, cleanest light that I had ever seen in my life with a beautiful, beautiful blue hue.
	And I just looked at that thing and I was staring up and I raised my hands up and I just went It's beautiful!
	It's beautiful!
	And I could see people looking and running to another window and looking down, and I could see an ET.
	And then the second one dropped, did the same thing with its beam of light, and then the third one dropped.
	And I was just totally awe-bound.
	And they were all similar in appearance?
	Yes.
	But one thing about them was that I was thinking, I was thinking, even though I was overtaken by the excitement of it and everything, I was thinking, these things don't look aerodynamic, because it just was not, they were certain, but that thing hanging out the bottom, maybe it was the drive that the light was coming out of.
	Any sound associated with it?
	No, totally silent.
	I've seen other crafts, always silent, dead silent.
	It's almost like, they kind of remind you of a lighter than air, you know, like a balloon, you know, that people travel in.
	It's just like, they're surreal, there's no sound, there was no sound.
	And so it started, the one on top of me started descending even more, and I just had the frame of mind, it just came to me to do the symbol for high, which later became shorter and shorter and shorter, but the symbol for high or the symbol for low, I did it with my right hand, which is to take my right hand and go from right to left, which was the eye, And then they go straight up, which was the H for high.
	So I just went straight to the left with my right hand, straight up to the right for high or hello.
	And instantly when I did that, boom, I blacked out.
	Wow.
	When I came to, I was in what looked like a foyer, but a huge foyer, huge hallway.
	And all of those people, now see when I say 90% or better, there's these periods like that where I'm here and then I'm somewhere else, but most of the time in the experiences it's like 98%, I remember everything, but experiences like this, I black out, so I think what happened was they pulled us with this light somehow, but we were all standing in this foyer or hallway thing, all the people that were on the ground, And I was in the front of all of them, and to my right was this guy that I was telling you about, the one who said he was driving his car, right?
	Sure.
	And one of the ETs, or Grays, telepathically said, lead them.
	Now I'm thinking, lead them?
	It's almost like I knew what to do, but I didn't know what to do, and the only thing I could think to do was just walk forward.
	Okay.
	They're almost treating you like a trustee in jail.
	Yeah, you got it.
	Lead them.
	I mean, the words I remember specifically, lead them.
	And what am I leading them to slaughter?
	You know, a lot of things come through your mind.
	Of course.
	But I wasn't sensing that kind of danger.
	And the people could stand up, but they were staring straight out like zombies.
	So they didn't even know they were there.
	The guy that was standing to my right, he was still scared.
	So, I took his hand and I laid it on top of my right hand, and I started to take a step.
	And when I took a step, the whole group took a step.
	When I took another step, the whole group took a step.
	So, and I just picked up the pace, and I could see a light where we were walking to, and when we got to the light, it opened up into this huge, huge auditorium.
	This is the best way I could put it.
	A basketball stadium and, you know, a professional or college basketball stadium.
	Huge.
	And all this scurrying was going on towards the back of the room, but with humans.
	And I could see more extraterrestrials, but I could see quite a bit of humans.
	And they were not in military attire.
	They were in civilian attire.
	Lap Cody-like attire, though, towards the back.
	And there were nothing but rows and rows.
	Okay, so I take the first guy that was with me, well-lit room, noise going on, you can hear people talking, whatever they were doing.
	My instructions from that point was to seat them.
	Okay, so I take the first guy that was with me, well-lit room, noise going on, you can hear people talking, whatever
	they were doing, mass abduction, man.
	And what they did was really a surprise.
	So I took the first guy, which was the one that had his arm on me, and I walked all the way to the end of the row, and I sat him on a chair in front of this thing that looked akin to a monitor, and sat him there.
	I walked back, and as I was walking halfway back, this was me.
	I got to check this out.
	I got to see.
	So I started looking around.
	I started looking at the monitors.
	I started looking, trying to figure out what the people were doing in the back.
	And that telepathic voice went, No!
	And I kept looking and it went, No!
	No!
	You know, like you would tell your dog, okay?
	And then I kept looking, I kept looking, and boom, I blacked out.
	So that's something they didn't want me to do, I guess.
	A big no.
	When I came to, again, I was sat in front of a monitor, and so was everybody else.
	The whole thing was just filled with people sitting in front of these things.
	The screens lit up, and they all lit up at the same time.
	If you go to a showroom and they have the glass outside of where their new televisions and there's 20 TVs all with the same channel kind of thing, the glow was identical from each screen.
	The first thing that came up on these monitors was just that drop-dead gorgeous, beautiful blue sea teeming with fish.
	You could tell that your senses were heightened, however they did it.
	They made your senses much more heightened than normal.
	So your emotions, and the beauty of it, and it was so real, and the colors were so vivid, and they were so clear, and you've never seen a sea so beautiful.
	And I just went, wow!
	And then that scene stayed up and then you heard it went dark and then you heard a hum like for three seconds.
	I think the hum was something to heighten your adrenaline or something and then the screen lit up again and it was a beautiful mountain scene with snow-capped mountains and a crisp clear blue sky and it was just gorgeous and you're going wow this is so beautiful and then it would that disappeared and then you would see a forest A beautiful forest, and the trees couldn't be any greener, and the earth couldn't look any healthier, and it was just scene after scene of just the most breathtaking earth scenes you had ever seen, magnified, and then they slowly started turning ugly.
	Meaning the first scene that I saw with the sea, the sea was looking polluted and dark, And then it would disappear, and then another scene came up, and then you could see fish bloated, and then another scene came up where it was the beautiful mountain scene, and the air was polluted, and across the screen said, right in plain words that everybody could read, and telepathically, so the telepathic message was where everybody could hear it, which was, you're killing your planet.
	And then the next thing, uh, where you saw the, um, the trees, the acid had burned the top of the trees.
	Your planet is dying.
	The next thing, and that got uglier, you're killing your planet.
	Your planet is dying.
	You're killing your planet.
	I think most of us know that's happening, Jim.
	I think we have an inner sense.
	We all know it.
	We wouldn't have to see those scenes to know the poles are melting, the air is bad, the oceans are dying.
	All of this is in the news now.
	Hold tight, Jim.
	Jim Sparks is my guest.
	Years of abductions.
	You're hearing it all tonight from Manila.
	Rain-drenched Manila.
	I'm Art Bell.
	All right.
	And this is official notification that we're going another hour, another live hour tonight.
	My guest is Jim Sparks.
	And when we left him in the last segment, the screens had been showing everybody the beauty to the death of our planet.
	Your planet is dying.
	Well, most of you know, most of you, that is, who have been following what we do on this program.
	even with the mainstream media when they're willing to report it have said
	you know damn well in your heart that what he just told you is the truth
	some people uh...
	block this out some are in denial about it jim but uh...
	even those of us who have not had uh... the kind of experience you've had
	can see what's going on on our planet and know the truth of what you just said
	Sure.
	Listen, there are so many things I want to get to.
	For example, I'm being pummeled.
	I have a little computer in front of me with my own little screen and they get to ask me
	questions.
	They want to know, we certainly described the greys in quite a bit of detail.
	I'd like to do the reptilians, if we could, the same way.
	As much as you can tell me about the physical characteristics, differences, tell me about
	the reptilians.
	There are different species of them.
	Bye.
	There's one type that are just huge.
	They're 9-10 feet tall.
	They look like monster linebackers.
	Huge thick necks.
	You are a football fan.
	American, red, white, and blue.
	Really scales, huh?
	USA, one all the way.
	But anyway, yeah, scaled.
	Snake-like, scaly, small scales.
	Some, well, let me just stick with that one for now.
	They have, their pupils are red, their eyes look like that of, in fact, all the, what would, again, commonly be referred, they never said we're reptilians, but Would be referred to as them have the snake-like or lizard-like eyes.
	But the big ones, I think, what fascinates me about them is that their skulls or their heads, they're not pretty to look at.
	And they made it easy on me in the beginning by screen imaging or putting holograms of like a human face in front of their face so I wouldn't be scared when, well, I get into that.
	But their foreheads, where your cognitive ability is or your thinking is, It's like their brains protrude out, or protruded out at birth or whatever it is, and they hang out over their, like their brow, over their eyes, and some are lumpy, some of it sticks out further than others, so it's like that part of the brain is super overdeveloped.
	That type, and they're all, again, telepathic.
	Then there's another kind that Now, these are more human, too.
	They have emotions, meaning they have feelings.
	They communicate slowly, which I can get into that in a little bit, but I'm describing them.
	Again, my experiences with them are 3, 5, 8 percent, somewhere in that nature over the last 20 or 18 years.
	That came later.
	For all I know, they're in control.
	I don't know, because it was like the graze brought me to the point of A more normal interaction and then they started coming to the picture in the latter years.
	Was there any sense, Jim, that the reptilians and the greys were from, for example, the same planetary system?
	Or do you think you were experiencing some sort of, for lack of a better phrase, galactic federation ship with creatures from different planetary systems?
	And you have to use the word sense, because they're not real forthcoming when it comes to that.
	I'm more inclined to believe that they're interdimensional, but that they can be in one dimension.
	They can be in one dimension, they can be like 60 or 70 percent in one dimension and 30 or 40 percent in our
	dimension to do the work.
	If they need to be more in this dimension to physically move objects, then they may be 60 or 70 percent here, and
	of course, most of the time they can be 100 percent.
	I think what I've learned is that these guys just don't die.
	And if they do, they live.
	Because, well, this is the messages later for people that I've gotten about death.
	They go on for thousands and thousands and thousands of years, so where they're from isn't anything to do with where they're at now, if I'm making sense to you.
	Yes, you are.
	They travel time like you would work a remote control.
	In fact, if you remind me, I can tell you an experience where they returned me three
	minutes before I left, and I saw myself, and I saw the sequence of everything, and it was
	fascinating.
	I can tell you about being at the same place at the same time and what that's like and
	how one sees the other and the other one doesn't and that kind of stuff.
	Okay.
	But there's something else I want to quickly ask.
	You mentioned that the man, I think it was the man with the arm, that you became friends with this man.
	Yeah.
	And you even gave us his name, right?
	Sure, I did.
	What is this man now doing?
	Have you had interaction with this man aside?
	Oh, yeah.
	He's become a very close friend.
	He lives in Florida now.
	He's in Florida?
	Yep, and now I'm in Nevada.
	And his name again?
	Doug Redonte.
	And so you communicate, you talk with Doug?
	Oh yeah, he has a small, infinite communications, a small video production company, and what had happened was I had I had gone in the latter years, as things progressed, and I was sharing more of the story.
	I got invited to speak at a MUFON conference.
	It was in Tampa.
	And several months had gone by since, but I remembered this guy.
	I remembered this guy.
	And I know I was supposed to remember this guy.
	And I know there was a reason, and it was planned, so it wasn't some haphazard.
	Because he was standing and walking and talking, which is unusual, particularly to be first pulled like that.
	But anyway, I went to this conference, and it was just before I was going to speak, and I was getting some fresh air.
	I was standing out in the area there in the courtyard, and there was a sidewalk.
	He was a professional technician, but he had one of those giant cameras on his shoulder that, you know, the news people use, one of those professional type.
	Sure.
	And I saw him, and he was coming down the sidewalk, and I just, like, my heart stopped.
	I said, man, it's that guy!
	That guy!
	I can't believe it's that guy!
	And this is the way I am, because, again, I don't embrace alien culture.
	I'm very leery, but I've come, you know, I have much healthier respect, and vice versa.
	But I'm always cautious and I was thinking, I'm thinking, I'm going to go, I'm not going to say nothing.
	I'm not going to say nothing.
	I'm going to see if he says anything.
	And he came walking by the sidewalk.
	He took a glance at me.
	He kept going.
	He had this giant thing on his shoulder, you know, and then he stopped.
	And you know, when he stopped, you know, he's like wobbling back and forth because he had this piece of equipment.
	And he, and he turns around and then he came over to me.
	He goes, do I know you?
	And I said, no, I don't think so.
	I let this go on for like, oh, and what it led to was really neat, too, the visitor phenomenon.
	We did a video, but it says, do I know you?
	I said, no, I don't think so.
	And I just was biting my tongue, you know?
	Of course, yes.
	Let me jump ahead.
	Is Doug Radante, is that correct?
	Yes, sir.
	Is Doug willing to back up your story?
	Sure.
	I haven't, uh, when was the last time I talked to Doug?
	I guess it was about five, six weeks ago.
	Oh, he's a neat guy.
	He, um, started this thing where this filter that you can, uh, this water thing that it doesn't even require electricity.
	He took it over there where that tsunami hit, uh, where you can put, uh, and I mean, it works.
	The military's trying to get them to make small ones for, like, going to these things.
	I, I run into these people because of this phenomena.
	Where it purifies 30 gallons of water.
	You can put it in a cesspool and it'll purify 30 gallons of water an hour.
	It's solar powered or you can plug it in and they flew and he has an airplane.
	And they flew it over there where all that trouble was, like 50 of these things.
	Close to me, actually.
	So, Doug, we'll back up what you say.
	I mean, this is so incredible.
	The whole thing is so incredible to find somebody that was actually on the craft with you.
	Yeah, it's cool, isn't it?
	But I let this thing flower.
	I was being really tight-lipped about it because I didn't want to say, I know who you are, I mean, these are the things I just learned over the years, like dealing with these guys, and dealing when I say them, and all these things that unfolded, and I would watch, and I would listen, I would see.
	And he was there to film something kind of tied in, or not really related to the UFO phenomenon.
	And if you ever want to talk to him sometimes, I'd rather him put it in his words.
	Yes, I do.
	But he started talking to me.
	And then I told him why I was there, and I was into this concern over the environment, and I can get into that with you in a little bit, too, because one of the first things they said to stop, if you want to stop this mess from happening, there's a way to do it, and I can get into that, but I'm talking about the destruction.
	There's still a shot at it, but we're getting close to the point of no return.
	We really are, but the point of no return, once we hit it, it'll just be a slow, slow, slow degrading process.
	There are a number of scientists who think that we may already have reached it.
	We got a shot.
	We're very close.
	We got a shot.
	We got a shot.
	We still have a shot.
	We're close, but we have a shot.
	That's the rain forest.
	The planet is having a hard time.
	We've attacked her arms and her legs.
	The only thing left is the torso.
	And the lungs of the planet is the rainforest.
	That's the first place.
	I've got a plan for this whole thing that came through them that I can share that would work.
	But nonetheless, with Doug, he got to know me as a person, and I kept from telling these
	things.
	And without going into a lot of details, it would be kind of neat for him to put it in
	his work, too.
	He just had this...
	It's a great story.
	It sparked his immediate interest in him to produce a video regarding the phenomena and my involvement with it as an abductee, and he just instantly, like a light switch hit him, to involve his company at the time.
	And his business at the time, and producing a video, and we did, called The Visitor Phenomena.
	Okay, obviously these people, these aliens of all sorts, were on a mission to show us that we were in the process of destroying our planet, and something's got to be done about it.
	And there's got to be some reason, Jim, that, you know, I mean, you've already told me and explained that there's government contact, there's government involvement, heavy government involvement, You would think that this message would be one that you would carry to our government or to the governments of the world.
	Instead, they continue to abduct people by the dozens or hundreds, who knows, and they're laying this almost impossible mission on regular people.
	Why do you suppose that's going on instead of the government itself, instead of our leaders, those who could actually order something done about it?
	Exactly.
	And, uh, well, that's what led to the interaction with the scaled guys.
	Um, I guess reptilians.
	Um, because it was one, another earth shattering experience I had shortly after the earth shattering experience of the, uh, being on board and the mass abduction, everybody getting a lesson on the environment and the, oh, you know how those people have those concave, um, Cuts or marks on their body that they talk about with abductees, like somebody's scoop marks.
	Yes, yes.
	Well, see what I've seen is, I can't say all of that comes from that, but they put like a line in you, I don't know if it's a tube or a line, so like when you were looking at these earth scenes, and I think that had something to do with, there's more to what happened there too.
	I've been coming up with these points because I've been able to fill in gaps with researchers, and why is this, and why do people report that?
	And I think that's what enhances or heightens your emotions to people when they do these mass abductions with the earth lessons, so to speak, to be more gravitated to the beauty of the planet, and it helps to be more deeply saddened by its destruction, so to involve you more.
	Timing on this thing has amazed me.
	They're numerologists.
	My voice would be heard, I was told, 18 years later, having no clue that how could it possibly be this little guy, nothing like you said, not big power, now here I am.
	You see what I'm saying?
	But, and I'm not trying to, I'm not self-proclaiming anything, I'm just this average guy, but to answer your question, I'm sure you were about to say something, because the reptilians were the ones that got into What, how they contacted the government, and how they worked with the government, and how the government failed, and how now it's the average person that is getting the contact in that regard.
	So, in other words, they've almost given up on the governments.
	Well, they've got another plan for them, too, which is, and there's others who've Who've mentioned this, and I think tried to do it, which is, well, I probably should tell you how it went in sequence if you'd like to hear it with them.
	I would, yes.
	I had a few months after that, what I call earth-shattering change in interaction with them, I was pulled another time, and this was the first time I ever laid eyes on, and there was other types of reptilians, so I never got to those species, too.
	you mind me later, there's time. And there's others that look like, kind of like snakes
	or snake-like, thin faces and stuff. They're the ones that are cynical, cynical sense of
	humor, so to speak. But yeah, these things have personalities and emotions, other than
	the greats, which don't at all. They're just business. But I had gotten pulled, and the
	whole...
	Thank you.
	technology that they used to pull me, when I say pull me, I mean, you know,
	the abduction to get you from the technology to get you from point A to point B
	being abducted was much more gentle.
	Meaning that I heard the, uh, the, the whirling whipping sound.
	Um, but it was slower in RPM.
	It was gentler inside my head.
	Uh, I felt the acceleration, but the acceleration wasn't to the point of
	I later think that the beginning stages of that acceleration would be like
	normal G force and you blackout.
	And not realizing, I didn't know anything about stuff like that, but now that I've seen things, I think that's the beginning part of it.
	You black out and then you really zipped fast.
	But the G-forces were slower, more gentler.
	And I did black out, but there was something that happened that had never happened before, so now I can say these things were flowering experiences.
	I actually regained consciousness prior to getting to Point B, which I was approximately a few hundred yards high in the sky, and I looked down to what looked like a field It's the strangest place to pull somebody and then meet them.
	Was that the first time you had gained consciousness during transit?
	Yeah, and it happened quite a few times afterwards.
	I've seen this huge giant ship that looked like a... They're collecting art.
	They're collecting every seed, they're collecting every plant, they're collecting every animal, they're collecting... Sounds a little ominous to me.
	It's another thing.
	That doesn't sound like they think we're going to succeed.
	I think it's an insurance policy.
	Yeah?
	Yeah.
	I hope it is.
	Alright, an obvious question, Jim, and a big one is, they're trying to help us.
	They've obviously, according to you, gone to our government and feel they've failed.
	They're going to ordinary people like you now.
	Why, Jim, why do they want to help us?
	Why do they have an interest in us?
	What is it about us that even causes them to traverse Either a great distance or even a dimension to help us.
	Why?
	You want to have a healthy, healthy suspicion of them because they do have their own motives.
	And it's not just about us, it's about the resources that they use here too that they protect.
	So it works both ways.
	So their interest is somewhat selfish?
	Yes.
	But not totally.
	But it benefits all of us.
	Do you have the feeling that they have our best interests at heart?
	Hold your answer to that.
	We're going into an extended live hour.
	Hold tight, Jim.
	From Manila, Philippines, basically the other side of the world, I'm Art Bell.
	Easily the most descriptive, detailed recitation of years and years of abduction that we've ever had on this program.
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	I've dominated this now for hours.
	It's going to be your turn shortly.
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	jim sparks by all means let's hear from you with uh... this much detail his book the keepers
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	Jim, welcome back.
	Thank you.
	I asked you if you believe they have our best interests at heart and it was sort of a mixed answer.
	Have a healthy suspicion.
	I got to see if there were 360 degrees I've got to experience firsthand two or three of those degrees.
	And so not only do I do my best to look at things as logically as possible, keep it with
	technology, don't sway to the left too far, don't sway to the right, and I have a business
	perspective.
	And there's one area that I'm right at 100% certain, for example, that they do farm mammals
	Just not herd us, farm, but for raw materials to create various types of worker beans.
	I've seen the worker beans with reptilians.
	I've seen the worker beans on board with uh... gray and i think i'm on board with our
	uh... people i've seen the worker beings with uh... human and this is
	another type of i don't know if they're aliens or what but they
	uh...
	there i think other people refer to these these type of uh...
	blondes or something to that effect but i Nordics maybe?
	Yes, that's what it is.
	But I've had one or two little short glimpses and experience with them that they look like people, but I've seen the little worker beings running tasks for them.
	But the point being is that that's an investment, meaning that the raw materials necessary to make these things, you know, the earth is one of the places for them to get this stuff.
	And so, like any other farmer, I don't mean to be so crude, but I'm just going to put it in basics.
	If you're a farmer and you have cattle, and your cattle are in pasture, and those cattle, that's your livelihood.
	That's your life.
	And if they get sick, you're going to want to tend to their health.
	But if the pasture becomes polluted or dirty, you're going to do what you can to fix it.
	And if worse comes to worse, you may collect the semen and the ova from the best breed Store it and then take it to another pasture, so to speak.
	And occasionally a crop gets completely ruined and you plow it under.
	I'd rather not think about that one.
	I know.
	Listen, is it your impression that they have, as we define it, consciousness?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	And they have longevity.
	I'll kind of touch on the longevity thing briefly because there's a lot of things I've learned here in the latter years in particular.
	The problem we have as people, as humans, is that about the time we figure anything out, we die.
	It's a natural thing.
	In the process, we do our best to pass it along to our siblings, our children.
	But, you know, it's our nature, and when you think about children, and it's been going on for tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years, maybe over and over again, unfortunately, but they seem to have to learn things on their own.
	You can show them 100% of everything, and they may take your word for 20 or 30%, but still there's that 70%.
	Almost always they have to go the hard way.
	Yeah, and it's like war.
	We do the same thing over and over again, again, by the time we figure it out.
	See, these guys have had plenty of time to figure it out, because they don't die.
	And if they do, it's probably rare, and they probably have a way of going on another way, but in the physical, in the flesh, not in the spiritual, with total consciousness.
	And given anybody, for example, any decent person, if they went on a couple of thousand years, a good person, Say a good person went on a thousand years and then you
	could bring that good person back to this place and time and say, hey, gee, would you
	like to be a president for four years?
	Do you not think that good person with a thousand years of experience under his or her belt
	would not make the probably world the best leader?
	No question.
	Now there are six billion of us and well, I can get into more detail on that later,
	but we've got other problems that they see we need to fix first for us to even be here.
	here, but one of the... I'm sorry, go ahead.
	That's right. Was there any sense, Jim, that... was there ever any reference to a higher power
	that they believed or understood there to be a higher power than even themselves?
	I absolutely... Art, I absolutely stay as far away from that as I possibly can.
	I understand.
	I want to see things flower and develop, because there were periods in my life for many years that I was, quote-unquote, very religious.
	I was in church Sunday morning, Sunday night, attended Bible study on Wednesdays and things of that nature.
	I don't want to say fanatically religious, but pretty much.
	Throughout all of this, I'm seeing things that don't seem to fit into my Bible, if I'm making sense.
	And so what I've come to, and without going into that too deeply, but I've come to this, that if there is a God, and I'll say there is, then it's humankind, and it's simple, it's humankind who puts a cap on or a limit on God's creation.
	And so all these things that are around us and all these things that are coming from
	other worlds, is it anything to do with something spiritual?
	Is it anything to do with God?
	Maybe so, maybe not.
	And I just kind of... that's my take on it.
	So I stay away from that until it comes to me.
	Yeah, there was never any reference from them telepathically or any other way to indicate that they worshipped anything at all.
	Well, there was tricks.
	Again, they're masters of deception, as we would define deception, but it's whatever it takes for us not to know they're there.
	For their own reasons.
	There were times that they tried to come across to me to get me to cooperate as if they themselves were angelical or spiritual or of God, and then the reverse.
	They were of darkness or the devil and they were demons and this stuff.
	I wasn't buying any of it.
	That makes you a very good observer.
	Look, I've got a lot of people who want to ask you questions.
	Let's see if we can move through them fairly quickly.
	First time caller line, Annie from Kansas.
	You're on with Jim Sparks.
	Hi Jim.
	Hi Ann.
	I was wondering, have you had any family members abducted?
	Parents?
	Any relatives?
	I did have two questions.
	The second one was, why do they say tell no one?
	They threaten family members, they threaten people not to say anything, but yet they've told you that your voice will be heard.
	Addressing the first question regarding family members, Annie, in the early years, they couldn't have been any more Reverse of accepting anything like that can be possible.
	As the years went on, particularly my mother, started opening up about experiences that she had had.
	My mom passed away a couple of years ago, but a couple of years before she passed away, she finally opened up to And this is just human nature.
	It's like people need backup before because they're afraid to say anything.
	They don't want people to think they're crazy or things of that nature.
	But she opened up and started describing things that had happened to her.
	And I knew what they were because she was describing gurneys and she didn't quite know
	My mom was the old Italian, old-fashioned type.
	She never learned how to drive, and she was just pleased just being in the house and taking care of the family, and that was her mom.
	Okay, so she had been abducted.
	Yeah, she had been abducted.
	But she wasn't forthcoming about that in the early years, because, quite frankly, I was scaring everybody with my, you know, just straightforwardness about it.
	The answer to the question, yes.
	All right, and on threats, to keep your mouth shut.
	You mean through E.T.' 's or through people?
	Well, I had the impression she was asking that I guess some E.T.' 's have made threats to people to keep their mouths shut.
	Is that so?
	Well, all the threats to keep my mouth shut were from people.
	And they were... And I mean, literally came... You didn't want me to go on in too much detail on some of this.
	Again, they're stories on top of stories with government people.
	You were contacted by the government, weren't you?
	Yeah, they came to my door.
	Who exactly came to your door?
	Well, I had an experience where, well, for several months, they kept watching.
	I mean, they were blatant about it.
	It wasn't like I couldn't see it going on.
	And I wasn't just paranoid, okay?
	And again, I think you're getting to know me by now.
	I look at things as they are.
	I don't swing too far to the left or the right.
	And if something may be from paranoia from all of this, then I'm really strong about making sure it's not before I presume or assume that it is the case, and it is.
	And when there's a white four-door sedan sitting across the street from your house near the woods with two guys in it, Taking two 12-hour shifts for weeks and months on end, you kind of get the feeling that when you get in your car and they follow you, that somebody's watching you.
	Okay?
	Alright, but when they actually, actually contacted you?
	They came to the door the first time.
	And I even went to the FBI to try and shake them off.
	And I can tell you about that too.
	That was an interesting story.
	I was bold.
	I didn't care.
	I knew it was happening.
	I didn't care.
	But this is it.
	This is real.
	This is what's going on.
	And I was a lot stronger about They came to the door and said what?
	They said, you have to stop talking about it.
	That's the first word out of their mouth.
	You have to stop talking about it.
	I looked at them, and I really did this, because I was a little stronger, more full of vinegar, so to speak.
	And I kept my mouth shut, and if you don't stop talking about it, and you don't keep it to yourself, and these were the guys that were sitting in the car following me around, they finally came to the door, it may affect your family.
	And so that got me so angry that I jumped across, or leaped across the porch with my hands forward, And just put my hands around part of one of their neck and shoulder, and pushed them into the side of the porch.
	And I was just so raged, because now what, you're threatening, I'm going through all of this stuff, and now you've got the nerve to threaten my family?
	And I was squeezing this guy, mostly his shoulder, and they stayed 100% and were so eerie, Art.
	100% and totally calm.
	The other one didn't do anything.
	I'm holding this guy up against the wall.
	I know my face must have been red, purple, and green with anger at that point, with all the frustration.
	But what made me scared was not because they were there and doing that, it was like they just weren't responding to it like you'd think they would, like throw me down or do something like that.
	Yeah, that's odd.
	You'd think they'd take the opportunity to become violent.
	And I just let him go.
	And when I let him go, he just brushed himself off.
	And they continued to walk down the sidewalk, my sidewalk towards the car, and then they both turned around at the same time and said, stop talking about it.
	And then they got in their cars and they left, or the car left.
	And then I can go on with this.
	I mean, I, that's just another story in itself.
	Um, I don't know if you want to hear it or not.
	I did.
	And they followed me right straight over there.
	That was in Houston.
	I, um, I went into the office, and the way the office was set up over there, and I don't know if it's still the same now, but I can describe it, it was fenced.
	And I parked inside the fenced area, and their car sat outside the fenced area.
	So they didn't even budge from the FBI.
	They just sat out there in their car.
	And then I made some not nice gestures at him as I was going up the steps to the front door.
	Like, I got you now.
	I thought I did.
	So you got in to the FBI building, and no doubt were given an appointment with an agent?
	Yeah!
	God, Jim, what did you say?
	You know what?
	When I went in there, it reminded me of a doctor's office, because the receptionist lady, the secretary, whatever she was, she was very nice, she was very polite, but she was behind a very thick glass window.
	She slid it just like you were at a doctor's office.
	That's what it reminded me of.
	And I said, I got a real problem.
	And then all of a sudden I thought, oh my God, what am I going to tell this guy?
	I've got aliens chasing me, and I've got these people.
	So I just switched gears right away.
	I said, there's a demonic cult that's bothering my family in a bad way, and I want to talk to somebody about it.
	That was all that came out of my mouth.
	I'm thinking, man, what are they going to do, backtrack me, put me in whatever?
	They locked me up, you know, you got a cuckoo here.
	And so, when the guy came out, the gentleman came out, you could tell he had a special agent, so-and-so.
	He was a supervisor, he was kind, he was reserved, he was very calm.
	I said, �Look, I've got some kind of cult, devil cult or whatever it is, that is bothering
	myself and my family.� I said, �They're even hanging around in a car, they're following
	us.� I was real calm and I didn't want to act like some paranoid, delusional freak off
	the street and I looked well.
	I spoke well.
	What he said was simple.
	He said, �The FBI will only get involved in things like that.� He said, �Cults
	are perfectly legal.� He said, �However, the ones that are not legal, local law enforcement
	or your local law enforcement have to contact us first to say there's a problem.�
	So what you need to do first is go to your local police.
	And then it sounds exactly like what they would say.
	That's what he told me, but I'll tell you what bothered me, Art.
	And he was nice to me, okay?
	And I felt calm, okay?
	And this really bothered me.
	Look, I'm not pointing fingers at this.
	I'm not one of those that do that.
	I don't want to say government conspiracy.
	I don't want to say this, because there's an answer for that, too, with amnesty, and I can get into that if there's time.
	And all this is not coming from me.
	It's coming from higher minds in mind that I've been interacting with.
	When he walked me to the door, and he opened the door, and as I started to go down the steps, The car with the two guys was still sitting outside the fence and he gave him a nod.
	So, boy, that'd be enough to make you go home and jump into another bottle of tequila.
	Well, you know, it was like, I was coming to the point at that time like, you know, these things are going to happen.
	I'm going to get pulled whether I like it or not.
	I don't have any choice here.
	And I just came to the point, there's nothing I can do about it.
	So you're going to make your life back to normal if possible.
	When these things happen, they happen.
	Don't think about it.
	Just go on.
	Is it still going on now?
	Oh, in a very positive way, yeah.
	In a very positive way.
	So you're still having contact?
	Oh yeah, not quite the same.
	I kind of laugh now about the old days, the way it used to be.
	Because it was horror-filled and traumatic, there's no doubt about it.
	It's different now.
	Okay, Jim, hold tight.
	We'll find out how it's going now, and I promise we'll get more calls in a moment.
	This has been really something special.
	in the middle of an extra hour from Manila, rain-soaked Manila, I'm Art Bell.
	Once again, Jim Sparks.
	Jim, we were... I want to get to the phones very quickly, but you said now it's so very different.
	Your interaction continues with them in what way?
	In what different way?
	Well, when I explain these things, I like to go into how they flowered.
	So the first step in it flowering in a different way was the fact that I always crabbed, yelled, And try to get a point across to these guys, like, why can you never not just have a meeting like what we would consider normal on our terms?
	Like, you know, hey, I'm coming, knock on the door or do something like that.
	So anyway, and that was a request I had for years.
	So when the first time they honored it, it was different, but it was positive.
	I was, and I didn't know it was going to happen.
	I was driving.
	And, uh, it was a sterile boulevard down in Fort Myers Beach at the time I was in Florida.
	And I was on the, uh, way on the south end of the island where it's wooded and natural and there's no, you know, no, it's just a natural environment.
	And as I was going down the road, a light in the sky, extremely bright at a 45 degree angle, just shot straight across my point of view and beam that light right in my eyes as I'm driving the car.
	To where I started to put my hand in front of my eyes, and it was several miles away.
	And the telepathic message was, go here.
	And go here meant a spot in the swampy part in the back bay, which was across from the gulf out in that area, which was a very kind of a scary place to go and be by yourself in the middle of the swampy, you know, animals and all that stuff.
	But that's their nature.
	You always have to be vulnerable.
	They will always be in control.
	Always.
	These guys, oh God, I can go on.
	But anyway, they leave nothing to chance.
	So they burnt an image in my brain, so to speak, where to go.
	This was the beginning of interaction on more of a normal tone.
	And so I drove there.
	I knew exactly where they were talking about, even though I never was in that spot.
	And it was in the woods, and it was in a swampy area.
	And I parked my vehicle there, and I was sitting there.
	And, um, a shadow, um, of a, um, 30, about 30 foot in diameter, round, circular craft.
	The shadow just, I didn't even see where it came from, from the sky.
	I just saw it, saw it hovering over my, um, uh, through my windshield, over my car.
	And it was no more than, when it stopped, it just slowly descended, quiet, not a sound.
	And I was scared to death because, again, I was by myself.
	But hey, this is different.
	I was telling myself and other people that witnessed this stuff with me that I'll tell you about later.
	So it's just not me.
	I've had experiences where people have seen the crap on the beach and tripped them out.
	But anyway, it was late at night.
	It was like 12, 1 o'clock in the morning.
	Hardly any light.
	And the shadow of the ship was hanging over the car.
	Then there was the telepathic connection with, we're here.
	And then just like out of nowhere in my mind I just started ripping them apart.
	What is wrong with you guys?
	You want me to help save the rainforest.
	You're telling me that I'm supposed to get this message out.
	I'm not getting any backup from you.
	When is this book going to be published so people can learn about what you're about?
	I just started screaming all these emotional things like where are you at in assisting,
	helping the world so to speak.
	And I was screaming it out to him, too, verbally.
	And then a calm telepathic message came back and said, your emotions are getting in the way of us getting the data.
	We're going to assign you an impossible mission.
	My God.
	That's exactly right.
	Listen, you don't have a lot of time.
	Wild Card Line, I think it's Michael in Columbus, Ohio.
	You're on the air with Jim.
	Thank you, Art.
	Hello, Mr. Sparks.
	How are you doing?
	Hi.
	Pretty good.
	How about yourself?
	I'm doing all right.
	Security officer in the middle of the night.
	I have two questions connecting.
	The first one is, you've been dealing with these beings now for 18, 20 years, and I've been listening to you over the night, and my major question is, How accessible are they?
	Do you know what planetary system they're coming from?
	How accessible are they to us and us to them?
	And the second part of my question is, since you've been in the ships, you've seen them and everything else, do you have any idea of the propulsion system that they're using to go back and forth and how fast that area is?
	And I'll listen off on the radio to your... Alright, alright.
	Well, alright.
	First, the propulsion system.
	Do you have any of those kind of details?
	The gentleman's name was Mark?
	Was it Mark?
	I think so.
	No, not... Anyway.
	Okay, well... Propulsion system.
	Again, it's a time thing now.
	There's varying different types of ways that they go from point A to point B. And I can go into more exacting detail, but I'll be... I'll just be kind of Outline it.
	Interdimensionally is one way.
	They use other dimensions to travel.
	When it comes as far as time is concerned, how long it takes, there's little to no time involved.
	Literally they can be one side of the galaxy to the other in a split second.
	There's another way that I've seen them come around and other people have been lucky enough with me and I was just so thankful Whenever several people are around me and there's a sighting, and I know it has a little bit or a lot to do, I try to be as humble as I can with me or an interaction with me.
	Another way they do is they beam like a light.
	This is one way.
	This is a little more primitive in my mind.
	This is the way one species does it.
	They beam something that looks like a light, that they can control the light like it doesn't end.
	It comes out first.
	So let's say they were Just hypothetically, I'll just use Mars.
	That light beam would come out first and stop.
	So it would be a light that would stop, which is really weird.
	And you would see that for a few seconds, and then out the end would come a craft.
	Another way they go, so the interdimensional thing is interesting because the laws of physics, as they naturally apply in our dimension, don't apply in other dimensions.
	So you can transfer the universe in no time flat.
	So I'm going to say interdimensionally, Something that looks just again for time's sake and I can get into more detail another time if you'd like With something that beams out like a light and then a few seconds later it pops out the end of it a craft and The craft is different colors that's coming out the end.
	So it might be blue.
	It might be red and it's sort of like orienting itself or orienting itself in this dimension and then it'll turn white and then it'll start reflecting light and when it reflects light and They're here, and boom, they're gone.
	He asked you how accessible they are.
	I'm not sure.
	I guess to you, for example, if you want interaction, do you get it?
	There have been a few times in 18 years, and I can count these times on less fingers than I have on one hand, where I have gone through extremely traumatic uh... experiences were
	to be helpful for the phenomenon educate the public and uh... and they had within a few days later there that
	they're here but you gotta understand the nature of the creature
	again it's if they're they're masters of the section of chameleon they don't
	want to be predictable they don't want you to be able to figure out when
	they're going to come in when they're going to go when i say masters of deception that resonates with a lot
	of religious folks Yeah.
	I told you, masters of deception.
	They are the devil.
	Well, when I say that as a chameleon, a chameleon can be on a tree and he'll look like a tree bark.
	Whatever it takes, when I say deception, maybe I shouldn't be using that.
	I should change my verbiage.
	I'm not an English major.
	I understand.
	I'm clear on the difference.
	Thank you.
	First time caller line, Teresa in Colorado.
	You're on with Jim.
	Hello Art, hello Jim.
	Hi Teresa.
	I didn't hear the whole show, so I might have missed this part, but I was curious if the aliens gave you any information.
	About what we can do as individuals.
	It feels rather overwhelming, especially when our government is in denial or suppression about the host subject.
	Boyer, you're right about that.
	Again, if there's time to go into detail, but I'll try to make it right to the point.
	Amnesty is number one.
	An amnesty bill meaning that there are those in the government, I know for a fact, that want to come out and come forward about a phenomenon about their relationship and interaction with
	these beings.
	The reason they can't come forth is because, as we all know, there has been a lot of death,
	dying and suffering to keep this stuff secret.
	We know that.
	I know.
	You sound just like Stephen Greer now.
	Coming forward would mean execution in a sense.
	So an amnesty thing for them to come forward.
	As far as the environment is concerned, and I really didn't want to do this in a few seconds,
	but I understand the time thing, to lead to this so it will make sense.
	There is a chance, and the chance clearly is the first place.
	And there is a plan, and Art, if there's ever time you'd like to get back on to go into
	a little more detail with that and other things.
	But there is a plan for the first thing and foremost, an absolute must, is the Rain Force.
	That's the heart, the lungs, that's the only thing left.
	That's filtering, cleaning, so to speak.
	And I can get into that detail another time.
	And there's a way to preserve it.
	There's a way for the United States to get involved.
	The rest of the world.
	And there's a way for the military to be involved.
	There's a way for all the secret agencies to be involved.
	Jim, what's happening with our rainforest right now is that they've built a road through it.
	Bad idea.
	Because now the poor people, and you can't blame them, are burning the rainforest down.
	They're planting crops.
	They get exactly one year of crops, maybe two at the most.
	Then they've got to go further down the road, burn more of the rainforest, and my God, Jim, you can see it from satellites in orbit.
	You can see the rainforest burning.
	Here's what you do.
	I know we're running out of time.
	I didn't mean to cut you.
	I'm sorry, did you finish the statement?
	Well, I finished my statement, yes.
	Just a hint on one of the things that can be done.
	Why are those people?
	This is coming from, again, let's say higher minds.
	I don't want to say bigger minds that can simulate more data than I can, than we can, and understand it and process it and come up with solutions.
	Why are those people doing that?
	You have to ask yourself.
	It's a model.
	What would it take for them to be somewhere else?
	Money.
	For example, their business practices that were related to me seem so silly and stupid.
	Like I said, some of the things they talk about are so corny, but then I start thinking about it over weeks and months and sometimes years, and I go, man, that's the answer.
	Because let's say I'm a landlord in Central or South America, so to speak, and I control Uh, 500 million acres of rainforest.
	I'm just making something up, okay?
	Now, this is my land, okay?
	I'm the government, I'm this, I'm that, I'm whatever.
	What would be the wildest hopes and dreams that I think that I... money that I can get for this property?
	This resource?
	Simple.
	Double what they want.
	Double it.
	Buy it.
	Double it.
	Maybe we better start doing that.
	I don't know what it's going to take.
	It's going to take probably, Jim, some kind of crisis.
	Our government, I don't know about other governments of the world, but the American government operates from crisis to crisis to crisis.
	The problem is that when this environmental crisis gets to that point, that tipping point that scientists say we're close to, it'll be too damn late.
	East of the Rockies, Donna, You're on, I'm sorry, Don E. You're on from Missouri with Jim.
	Hi Art, it's an honor to speak to you.
	Thank you.
	Jim, did you say earlier that you had spells of blanking out when you encountered the ETs?
	Yes, blackout periods would be when you're being pulled.
	Blackout periods would occur When I would be doing things that they absolutely didn't want me to do and there was no other way to stop it but to put me down, so to speak, which would render me unconscious.
	Is it possible that while you were out they were doing experiments or trying to implant you with chips?
	Oh, sure.
	You know, sure.
	Well, that's not good.
	Have you been tested?
	Have you had any MRIs?
	I was having headaches that I thought were unrelated.
	I was getting migraines at one period.
	I don't get them anymore.
	I never got them most of my life, but there was a six-month period where I was literally getting migraines.
	I went in for an MRI.
	When the physician came out and looked it over, he noticed that there were round balls or nodules in my nasal passage, right deep inside there, like three of them.
	And look, again, I don't get overdramatic, I don't get over scared, I don't panic, I don't this and that.
	He says, I'm not quite sure what it is.
	I think it's benign, but he says I'd like to keep an eye on that just to see what they do, like to see if they grow or whatever.
	They just look a little strange to me.
	So if this is what I came to to answer that question, I don't care.
	I don't want anybody to find anything.
	You know, if it meant something for people to look and it was really that important and I made a decision it was okay down the road, fine.
	It's not that important to me.
	It might help maybe for credibility purposes or what have you.
	For all I know, I can have 500 chips inside me.
	For all I know, I might only have three which, you know, this physician saw through the MRI.
	So, I don't really have a desire to do it and I'm not super opposed to it.
	It's just that I kind of look at... I'm listening to the message and I'm not concerned about the message so much as I am the message, if I can relate that and make sense.
	You do.
	Gary in San Antonio, Texas.
	Time short, Jim Sparks is all yours.
	Art, first time to talk with you.
	Always a pleasure to listen to you.
	Mr. Sparks, if those creatures are so concerned about this planet that they gave our government the technology to cure the world's ills to share with the rest of us, and our government, you say, won't do that, then why haven't those creatures given you the technology or someone else to share with us?
	And question two, Did those creatures instruct you that they created or modified our DNA?
	Thanks.
	Well, those are two big ones, and they're good ones.
	Being pessimistic about them is absolutely a right to feel that way and think that way, and I'm with you that way.
	As far as that is concerned, that's what I'm...
	I don't want to be a self-proclaimed mouthpiece or spokesman for this thing, but it's turning
	out that the road seems to be leading in that direction.
	Yes, I do have information.
	Yes, I do have data.
	Yes, I do have plans.
	Yes, I do have their ideas.
	It looks like I'm not going to be able to get that across to you, but yes, there are plans for the average person.
	Alright, so you're aware of technology, you know, you have some of their technology.
	Yeah, and I've seen people, I've seen it another time in another show, but if it's possible I can tell you about people, the human beings that were gifted with the ability to create something that, and I've seen it with my own eyes because of the contact I've had.
	I even worked for six months with a defense contractor, military defense contractor.
	Warren promised that I would never reveal who he was.
	Okay, we'll hold that for another show. Stop there. DNA, have they tampered with our DNA?
	That's almost got to be a yes or no question.
	Yep, day one. Yes.
	Yes, from day one.
	From day one.
	Jim, I don't know how to thank you for being here, except to plug your book for you, and I'll sure do that.
	Buddy, thank you.
	You're welcome, Art, and I really appreciate the experience with you.
	It's an honor, and I look forward to more.
	We'll do it again, my friend.
	Good night.
	Good night, Art.
	That's Jim Sparks.
	Five hours.
	It's a very rare thing that I'll do that, but ladies and gentlemen, this one justified it.
	The book is The Keepers, an alien message for the human race.
	I absolutely recommend you check it out.
	That man had a lot to say.
	Phew!
	What a night!
	My God, what a night!
	Ladies and gentlemen, this is just half the weekend.
	I'll see you tomorrow night from Manila in the Philippines.

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