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Dec. 8, 2006 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Open Lines - Propagation of Evil - Ed Dames - Killshot Update

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	From the Southeast Asian capital city of the Philippine Islands, Manila, I wish you good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whatever the case may be, wherever you are, in whatever time zone you reside.
	We cover every single one of them with this program, coast to coast, literally.
	Continent to continent AM.
	How you doing, everybody?
	I'm Art Bell.
	It is my honor and my privilege to be filling in this night for George Norrie, getting a very deserved day off.
	I don't know what he's doing, probably a book signing or some such.
	At any rate, it's my pleasure to be here and my pleasure to guide you through the weekend.
	Now, we're going to begin with an hour of something a little different, and then we'll go to open lines.
	The reason we're having something a little different in the third, well, let me get a couple things out of the way.
	First of all, the very latest photograph on my, um, my, my, my heart's webcam site is really a cute one.
	That is of Dolly completely consumed with Abydos.
	They are such good friends!
	And now finally, after a couple of weeks, Dolly has even, well I guess I should say that Yeti has made friends with Dolly.
	But there was a lot of hatred going on there for a couple of weeks.
	But finally they are good buddies and of course Abby and Dolly are fast friends and they run around here like crazy kids attacking each other.
	All in play though, all in good play.
	And I just happened to catch a very cool moment when Dolly, you know she's small, She's a Philippine cat, and she's small, and she's just as cute as can be, and loves me to death.
	And she got on top of, uh, of... Well, you can see.
	Or it's webcam up there.
	Now, it's the Typhoon of the Week Club, ladies and gentlemen.
	This one is Typhoon Uthor.
	I guess.
	U-T-O-R.
	Typhoon Uthor.
	Shenyang, I guess the Chinese version.
	Call it what you will, it is now clobbering the Visayas region, which is to the south, just to the south of us.
	Thank you, Uttar, for missing us.
	And, uh, sorry for the people.
	It was just a tropical storm.
	It's now upgraded to a, uh, Category 1.
	And, uh, raging across Visayas.
	They may be able to get a graphic up for you, those of you who have, uh, logged the, uh, the storm tracker for over here.
	I mean, it has been amazing this year.
	Just unbelievable.
	It literally, literally has been the typhoon of the week.
	Unbelievable.
	So we may get that up for you to see.
	I sent it off to Lex and he may be able to get it up there for you.
	And it's not the only storm raging away.
	My God, our sun!
	What is going on with our sun?
	Now, for those of you who don't follow the sun, it goes in 11 or 22-year cycles, depending on how you look at it.
	We hams think of 11-year cycles.
	And we are at what's called a solar minimum right now, which means there should be almost nothing going on in the sun.
	But all of a sudden... Oh my God!
	We have a radiation storm underway, a big one, based on the energy and the number of solar protons streaming past Earth.
	Right now, NOAA is ranking the storm as a Category S3.
	Not good.
	Satellites may experience single event upsets.
	Astronauts should practice radiation avoidance.
	Now, what that means for astronauts is crawl into something lead-lined or whatever, I don't know, But not good.
	The rush of protons may be a sign of an approaching CME.
	Coronal mass ejection protons are accelerated in shock waves at the leading edge of CME.
	So, when the proton count rises, we can guess that a CME is on its way.
	Northern sky watchers should remain alert for auroras, which could flare up when a CME arrives, perhaps even down to southern latitudes if it's big enough.
	Radio astronomer Thomas Ashcroft knew something was up when a loud roar came out of a loudspeaker on his 22 MHz shortwave receiver in New Mexico.
	Sunspot 930 had exploded again.
	The X6 class flare sent shockwaves billowing through the sun's atmosphere, producing, among other things, a Type II solar radio burst.
	And you can actually record these things and play them back.
	I've had actually a couple of recordings sent to me of recent solar explosions.
	These just are monsters and they should not be here at this time in the solar cycle.
	Something is really up.
	Therefore, the world's foremost remote viewing teacher, Edward A. Dames, Major U.S.
	Army Retired, a Decorated Military Intelligence Officer and original member of the U.S.
	Army Prototype Remote Viewing Training Program is here tonight.
	Ed served as the Training and Operations Officer for the Defense Intelligence Agency's Psychic Intelligence Collection Unit.
	Currently is serving as Executive Director for the Matrix Intelligence Agency, a private consulting group.
	The technical consultant for the feature film Suspect Zero, a Tom Cruise, Paula Wagner production.
	Hell of a movie.
	Ed coached Sir Ben Kingsley and of course he played the role of an FBI remote viewing instructor in the movie as well.
	So coming up in a moment, he is after all the solar flare guy, the kill shot guy.
	Maybe Ed can explain why the sun is going crazy.
	Sound of a thunderstorm.
	Music.
	Major Ed Dames, welcome back to the program.
	Thank you, Eric.
	Maybe you can explain why our sun is, well, it should be kind of like a hibernating bear right now, Ed.
	Instead, it's like a roaring lion.
	What's up with the sun?
	Unfortunately, I can help you out with that.
	I thought perhaps you might.
	By the way, that first flare was an X-9, just short of a Mega Flare that Active Region 930 produced.
	The second one was an X-6, just your regular X-Class flare.
	Anything in the X-Class is gigantic.
	It is, especially if it's aimed our way.
	Those two weren't precisely aimed our way, but that will change quickly.
	However, the ACE spacecraft is continuing to experience problems.
	I think that the instrumentation was fried when the X-9 occurred.
	We'll see if it comes back up or not.
	In the future, as you can probably surmise, flares of that nature aimed at us will shut down most of the instruments aboard most of the satellites and kill our telecommunications capabilities in space.
	Well, if something really, of course we have a satellite out there to warn us when some of these flares are coming, Ed, and if something tremendous occurs, they can actually do a preventative shutdown of the systems until the particles pass.
	They do a number of things.
	They turn 90, 180 degrees so that The solar panels are not at 90 degrees to the protons and x-rays, and then they do what you just said as well.
	But they can do a preventative shutdown.
	The astronauts aboard the ISS cannot.
	So that's kind of like being in the microwave if things get too hot.
	And they will.
	They will.
	They will get hot.
	All right.
	Well, you have talked for a long time about the kill shot, precursors to the kill shot.
	I recall that you declared, in fact, we had a precursor to the kill shot.
	So obviously everybody's going to be very concerned that this kind of unusual activity might be a precursor to the kill shot.
	Actually, the Killshot, a series of very strong solar flares that eventually bring protons down to the deck, down through Earth's atmosphere into the troposphere and stratosphere, heating the atmosphere up and causing a lot of damage.
	That's what I mean by Killshot.
	But what we're experiencing now is the front end of this series of events.
	What I did not know in the past was I never looked at what caused the kill shot.
	I just assumed that the sun, as an autonomous entity, decided to do what it did.
	But what it's doing now, what it's beginning to do, what is essentially happening is that we're experiencing the beginning of a very, very long cycle.
	Not the 11 to 22 year solar cycles, but probably an 11,500 year cycle that happens.
	And I thought that this cycle was about the sun, but apparently it is not.
	And that is a very interesting story.
	So something is actually instigating this behavior on the part of the sun that is outside of the solar system.
	This was a big discovery to me, but I did not derive that information from remote viewing.
	Okay, wait a minute.
	Something outside the solar system, that's interesting because I have long sort of become a believer, I've had a lot of guests on who have said, look, comets that pass, for example, cause activity on the sun, Ed.
	Comets, you know, come fairly close to the sun.
	It isn't just that something wicked this way comes.
	It isn't as simple as that.
	really cause activity or even just passing near it can cause activity but
	now you're saying something actually outside the solar system can cause
	disruptions. It isn't just that something wicked this way comes it isn't as
	simple as that. I'll get into what it is in a minute but let me give you
	some background if I may. My colleague Brent Miller was very interested in to
	see if any science there's any hard science data that supported our remote
	viewing.
	Remote viewing over the last 15 years that pointed toward this event, which I originally called a discontinuity.
	Discontinuity in human evolution and life on Earth, because remote viewers, professional remote viewers, could not see So to speak, beyond this point.
	We couldn't gather any information beyond this particular point in time.
	A point that 15 years ago was unresolved.
	Later on, we backed up to look to see what was happening just prior to this discontinuity, and I hypothesized that what was happening was the discontinuity itself.
	That is what I've called in the last 10 years on your show, the kill shot.
	It is not.
	You have never put together the kill shot and what you've called the discontinuity, which was a barrier past which you could not see, right?
	That's right.
	But my colleague has done that for me.
	He went out, you know, with my blessings.
	Actually, I didn't give him my blessings.
	He just felt that he needed to gather a team of scientists to see, to put the information that we had on their table to see if they could make heads or tails out of what is going on.
	And they did.
	I think Brent calls that the Horizon Project.
	Anyway, because I'm the boss, and like my evil twin, Dr. Evil, I'm the boss, need the info, I asked Brent after Active Region 930 exploded this week to say, OK, what did you get in this Horizon Project?
	Is there something going on?
	He said, oh yes.
	Do you want the facts?
	I said, yes, I would like that very much.
	What do you have on the table here?
	And I'll get into just the raw facts first.
	Just the statistics, if I may.
	But these are in layman's terms, and they're very interesting.
	Earthquakes.
	Okay?
	Just bear with me just for a moment, because it's apropos to the subject at hand.
	Earthquake records go back to about 1850.
	Earth has been fairly stable.
	With a couple of 5.5 or greater a year, maybe a month, all the way through 1950.
	There were about two to four large earthquakes worldwide per decade, big ones.
	Then in the 1960s, there were 13 major earthquakes.
	In the 1970s, that decade, 51.
	In the 1980s, 86.
	In the 1990s, that decade, 150.
	Actually more than 150.
	Wow.
	And in the first six years of this decade, we've already had over 150 major earthquakes.
	Oh my God.
	Those are figures I'd never heard before, Ed.
	Well, Brent's a science guy.
	He likes stats and facts and figures, and all of a sudden this is becoming in your face to me.
	But there's more.
	The smaller earthquakes, that's 4.0 on the Richter scale or more, the smaller ones?
	Yes.
	Three months ago, we had 305 earthquakes worldwide of that magnitude.
	Two months ago in October, 335.
	Last month, 436.
	335, last month 436, and in the last 30 days 494, which is 60 more in the first week of
	December than in the first week of November.
	That's impressive.
	It's not as dramatic and impressive to me as something that follows decades.
	But it is perhaps, when put together with the decades of information, worrisome.
	What the scientists are saying is that this is not subsiding.
	It's actually so drastic, it may be approaching an exponential curve.
	Well, what remote viewing data is showing is that the Earth's core is heating up.
	The sunspot activity, I thought, was causing the Earth's core to heat up, producing warmer weather, tornadoes in London Town, those kinds of things.
	As your book mentioned, the coming global superstorm, that kind of stuff.
	To have heard about a tornado in Great Britain is just... I just was blown away.
	Earth's core is changing very fast, and I had attributed this because of the damage that the kill shot does.
	Globally, I mean, it's not just turning Earth into a rotisserie, it's shake and bake, earthquakes and evaporation of water quickly, those kinds of things in the next few years.
	I anticipate that volcanism will follow because you've got so much seismic activity and the Earth's core is heating up that we're probably going to see magma being pushed up to the surface worldwide as well, too.
	What I didn't know was what was causing all of this.
	I assumed that it was just our sun, El Sol, but it is something that is cosmic in nature
	and it's a cosmic cycle, not a geophysical cycle.
	I have a question for you, Ed, and I'm really serious about this.
	Now, everybody, of course, in North America, in the Americas generally, probably is just going, oh yawn, because we didn't have any hurricanes this year.
	But Ed, I'm telling you, buddy, it's been the typhoon of the week.
	And that's not an exaggeration.
	Literally, Ed, every single week we've had a typhoon over here.
	That's just...
	You know, I've asked around.
	This is my first year here in the Philippines, so I thought, maybe it's normal.
	God help me if it's normal.
	I've begun to ask people, and no, it's not at all normal.
	They get typhoons here, but Ed, they don't have them every week, like we have been having.
	Weather chaos is essentially not on the horizon.
	It's here, too.
	Ten years ago on your show, I said a point's going to be reached in the not-too-distant future.
	Where mankind will not be able to raise crops the way they used to.
	Because the vicissitudes of the weather will preclude us doing that.
	We'll have to put crops in a sealed biosphere in order to eat.
	And Ed, the problem is that the systems compound upon each other.
	Now, for example, we had a typhoon a couple of weeks ago, as you know, a big one, a thousand people plus died here in the Philippines.
	I'm aware of that.
	And it was compounded because of the volcano, the Mayan volcano.
	There was so much rain that they had, you know, terrible, horrible mudslides that just buried villages here.
	Literally buried them up and beyond the rooftops.
	I mean, it was almost like, you know, what happened in Italy and Sicily.
	I mean, it's just unbelievable.
	So these systems are working with and against each other.
	Last decade on your show I said that scientists, meteorologists are not aware of the flux, the linkage between our sun and Earth's weather.
	We keep looking at the atmosphere alone and what they do not, what they're not aware of is the influence of the Earth's core on the Earth's atmosphere.
	And that's real as well too.
	Something is happening internally in the Earth And yes, it is linked to our sun, but what I did not know until the Horizon Project pointed this out to me was that it's something beyond our solar system, which is in fact affecting our sun as well.
	And I was just focused on the sun, too, because I saw the damage that was occurring and was thinking that by getting the word on the streets that you get people to think and perhaps save some lives.
	Saving lives meaning you need to be in a place where there's going to be fresh water and those kinds of things.
	It's hard for me to grasp, and maybe you're going to be able to explain after the break, how something outside our solar system, I mean I can understand something, the distances are so vast that gravitational pulls and so forth of something inside our solar system, that I can understand affecting us.
	Or affecting our sun in some way, but something outside would be so far away that any gravitational influence would almost be nil.
	So is there going to be a way you can explain to me how something so far away can do this?
	Yes, to a certain degree.
	I can't be as specific as the scientists that Mr. Miller gathered up as a team, but I think I can put it in layperson's terms, and I'm a layperson when it comes to this kind of When it comes to thermodynamics and the universe, I think I can get the message across.
	All right.
	As far as the sun is concerned, Ed, your statement is that this is the beginning of the kill shot cycle itself?
	Correct.
	Correct.
	You're going to see a lot more of these very angry, nasty active solar regions.
	Big flares.
	And if this is what we're getting at a solar minimum, I'm horrified to imagine as we approach... There won't be any more solar maxes.
	You just put a timeline on it, then?
	Mm-hmm.
	Oh, God.
	All right, ladies and gentlemen, Major Ed Dames is my guest, and he'll be back to tell us what it is outside our solar system that might be prompting all this.
	I'm Art Bell.
	You are, and I've got Ed Dames here, and one thing, no matter what you say about Major Ed Dames, and many of you say many things, you know, I sit here looking at the Fast Blast, and Major Ed Dames is clearly the most loved and hated guest we have, both emotions very strongly.
	One thing you have to say, and I have to admit about Ed, is that everything that Ed has said Has been consistent, and by that I mean the discontinuity, the solar kill shot, all the rest of it.
	He's said it again and again and again over the years.
	He has never deviated from what he said is going to happen.
	And when we look at what's going on on Earth right now, if you just listen to the statistics he gave regarding earthquakes over the last decades, the number of them, both large and small, and what's going on in the sun, I suppose you may still doubt what Ed has said, but your ears should, I don't know, sort of sharpen up a little bit with events that are going on in the world right now.
	I'm Art Bell, Ed Dames right back.
	Once again, Major Ed Dames.
	All right, Ed.
	I'm a believer, certainly, in the statistics you laid down for us.
	Let's now move on to what in the world, outside of our own solar system, could be producing the kind of effects we're seeing.
	The sun, the earthquakes, what is it?
	Apparently, gravity waves are doing it.
	Gravity is changing.
	Gravity waves are passing through The solar system are playing snooker with a lot of the celestial bodies.
	The large ones just move around and shake, and the small ones get knocked around.
	The comets and other things outside of orbits change.
	Chaos reigns supreme, and that's going to pick up and intensify in the next two years.
	How much so?
	In a way, it gives new meaning to the term discontinuity and sometimes you don't want to see anymore.
	Let me put it subjectively.
	It's very hard for me to digest what the scientists have come up with in terms of why this is happening.
	Their science is solid.
	But nevertheless, I've never felt more like an ant before.
	Just as small as small can be, after I've seen what their conclusions are.
	It isn't that something is coming.
	It's that our solar system is approaching something.
	And that something produces a tremendous amount of...
	goes off the charts in terms of intensity, gravity waves.
	Alright, alright.
	I've interviewed a number of physicists lately, theoretical physicists and so on, very interesting chaps, who talk about dark matter.
	And while we can't detect, that's the wrong word, we can't identify and put our fingers on this dark matter, we can measure its gravitational influence.
	So there's dark matter out there, then there are black holes out there.
	I wonder, If we could.
	If our solar system is approaching something of that magnitude.
	I don't know how to explain what this is.
	It's great nothing or whatever you want to call it.
	But it does appear to have about, I think, this is based upon my analysis of all the remote viewing data of past civilizations, those kind of things.
	Approximately an 11,500 year cycle.
	This isn't a solar cycle, it's a cosmic cycle.
	Isn't it very strange that history suddenly starts about 9500 years ago with the Sumerians and a few others, and then all of a sudden we have writing and mathematics and those kinds of things.
	Architecture, pretty good architecture too, and some science.
	But what happened before 9500?
	2,000 years to recover from this last cycle, from the end of the last cycle.
	Ed, a lot of the very credible physicists and theoretical physicists and even the SETI people have all said that one of the reasons we might not have detected another civilization is because there may be a cyclic How to put it, a cyclic event that occurs with all emerging civilizations.
	They appear, they become intelligent, they get to a certain stage and then something wipes them out.
	Either they wipe themselves out or some event comes along and wipes them out.
	And that, my friend, is why we haven't essentially heard anybody ringing our doorbell yet.
	Well, you know that project, the Starman project that I have, which is my pet.
	There really is a higher intelligence out there that's been here watching us.
	They could very well be our progenitors for all that I know.
	Maybe I'll find out, maybe I won't.
	But, sticking my neck out really far now, which I'm so want to do, we've done some research into civilizations and the last time this occurred on Earth.
	And interestingly, folks leave en masse.
	I'm not saying this is the rapture or anything else like that, but there is a system out there that physically takes, that physically took the last time, and I don't know how many times before, how many places before, that physically took human beings away.
	Took human beings away.
	A lot.
	Before this particular event happened.
	Just prior to it happening, too.
	And I think that's where this idea in the minds of some Christians of the rapture, I think that's where it comes from.
	That idea, too.
	But these are real physical, I don't want to say spaceships, but they're physical things and they vacuum up a whole bunch of people.
	I don't know if that's going to happen next time, but it did happen before.
	When you say before, you refer to how long ago?
	The last civilization.
	In remote viewing, we have a difficult time at judging time, so I'm going to have to surmise that it was just prior to that last 11,500 year cycle, which I thought was the big solar cycle.
	Well, it is.
	But it's a cosmic cycle that's driving the Sun to outdo itself and to drive protons down to the Earth.
	And drive the land to become fallow for a while.
	Have you done any hard recent work on where we're going with this?
	In other words, is this going to be bad now from the sun?
	And is it going to get a lot worse before it gets better?
	Or are there going to be brief intervals where things are okay?
	In other words, I guess I'm asking you to give kind of a forecast.
	It will start slowly.
	You'll have on and offs where people say, phew, boy, it's over.
	And then it'll happen again.
	And it'll increase in frequency and then become exponential.
	That I know.
	OK.
	A time period.
	Miller's got some good facts, my colleague, in his Horizon Project series.
	But I actually haven't seen that yet.
	He says he's got some stats there with actual timelines.
	I've got a link to his work on my website.
	LearnRV.com.
	I think there's a link to my website on Coast2Coast2 that your webmaster put up.
	So he and his team of scientists are in a better position because they've got the actual stats and the facts.
	All I've got is the second site.
	Perhaps I should have them as a guest.
	Would they be guest worthy?
	Oh, yes, they're pretty prominent folks, too, I think.
	Yeah, I think that would be a good idea.
	That would be a good complement, I think, to the information I've been pumping out on your show for the last decade.
	Okay, Ed, you know my producer.
	Would you please have a talk with her and see if that can be arranged?
	We've really got to get to the bottom of this before it gets to us.
	Are there going to be... Is this the end of humanity type deal?
	Yes, yes.
	It's the end of most of it.
	There'll be some survivors in the recede.
	You know, the land goes fallow, but you always have some seeds, and you replant some juncture.
	It seems to be that kind of thing, yes.
	But, the next time around, we learned this as a remote fielding military team, tangentially, and as doing some contract work for Lawrence Rockefeller on the ozone, projected ozone problem.
	Tangentially, we found that there is no solution to the ozone problem, but at a certain point When the atmosphere degrades drastically and Earth is very barren, there is another race here.
	Another humanoid race.
	I think it is the ancestors of the people that were taken last time, if you get the gist.
	Sort of a self-help program.
	Because you don't want the Ferengi or somebody else coming back that we're just going to run from or try to shoot if there's any ammo left that we haven't used on ourselves.
	You're going to want somebody that looks like us.
	We don't bolt and run.
	They're back to help us rebuild.
	That as remote viewers we stand by.
	There is another race here and apparently when I say another race, they're from another
	place but we appear to be their progenitors.
	So they started here and they're just coming home to help out.
	That kind of thing.
	Alright, now that you know this much about what's happening, are you going, are your
	plans now to bore in with a team and get us some details on, as best you can get, timelines
	No, no, no, no.
	The scientists already have those kind of things.
	I'm going to go with a winning team.
	I want contact.
	I want contact.
	Because I think I think that the idea, as I've mentioned before a number of times on your show, my idea is to start the rebuilding now.
	Because I know, I feel strongly, in the heart of hearts, that we're going down and there's nothing that's going to stop us from doing so.
	It's the end of a cycle and it's bigger than me.
	I would like to sit on the idea of rebuilding and starting to rebuild now.
	If somebody, look, they're out there clamoring, they want to know about safe places.
	Would there be places safer than others?
	And if so, where would those be?
	As far as the sun goes, as far as the kill shot goes, I've talked about this before, Places that have a lot of fresh water.
	Remember, fresh water is going to dry up very, very quickly over the next few years.
	Very quickly.
	Many, many people will die from that alone.
	Not to mention not having crops because there's no water for the crops.
	What about aquifers, Ed?
	Aquifers will change because when an earthquake happens, lots of earthquakes happen.
	As you might know, the flow of aquifers change.
	Some disappear and pop up in another place.
	Those can't be depended upon.
	Well, can it be dependent upon large bodies of freshwater, such as around, as I've said before, Whitefish, Montana, places like that?
	That's critical, freshwater.
	Or being around glaciers, big glaciers that aren't already melting, because when they do melt, you'll still have plenty of freshwater.
	Those are critical things.
	Water is going to be hypercritical.
	Alright, what are you doing about this in your own life?
	I mean, last time I heard, you were headed off to... Ukraine.
	Ukraine, yes.
	What's your schedule on that?
	The echo that you hear is my empty apartment.
	I'm packing up now.
	Oh, this is it, huh?
	You leave shortly?
	I leave, yeah.
	I'm already spending half my time there.
	I just got back last week going again a week and a half from now, so I'm virtually there.
	Maybe you can tell me your secret for taking plane trips like that and not ending up with the flu.
	How do you do it?
	Well, unfortunately, I do end up with the flu.
	Sorry, I shouldn't laugh.
	I thought there was no secret to that.
	No, I do.
	Apparently there isn't.
	You're in a contained airspace and you know the routine.
	I do.
	I just take good stuff.
	I actually have to to stay healthy so I keep myself healthy.
	Alright, do you have then, what advice would you give to people?
	Pray?
	I mean, what else is there?
	I am still nonplussed about the findings that this project had.
	I mean, I was just focused on the sun and ducking and covering there, but there is no escape from this cosmic cycle.
	Wait a minute, Ed.
	What you've told us tonight about something outside the solar system, gravitational waves is what you mentioned, that we're entering an area, moving toward an area, or it's moving toward us, I suppose it's hard to tell, of increased gravity waves that are affecting everything, including the core of the Earth, which is heating the Sun, which is erupting, earthquakes, and all the rest of it.
	And this is going to do nothing but get more and more severe as time goes on.
	Correct.
	Do they, even the scientists that you speak with, do they have any idea at all about the nature of what's moving toward us?
	Yes, they do.
	I only have some tangential information about it.
	I'll construe it the wrong way if I talk about it.
	Something about, I hope this is right, I should check with Brent Miller, my colleague, and I think it has something to do with the galactic plane, but I don't know, Art.
	I'm not sure.
	Isn't this something, Ed, that you should make an immediate remote viewing project to try and narrow down or see what they're seeing?
	No, because it was the other way around.
	They were trying to narrow down what I'm seeing and what my team has been seeing over the years.
	They put together the science behind the remote viewing.
	Right now, all I'm interested in is contact.
	In terms of my own work and that contact.
	And that's happening now.
	Why is the only thing you're interested in contact?
	Because there's no escape from this cycle here.
	I think there's value in sitting down, to use the term loosely, with a higher intelligence, the one that's already been here watching us.
	I think there's some merit, minimally, To connecting with a higher intelligence and achieving contact.
	Whether it's ultra-terrestrial or extra-terrestrial, whatever, then this, as I've mentioned, is the intelligence behind that event in Zimbabwe in 1994, where the school children were taken aside, that kind of thing.
	Well, we followed that back, and now there's a contact point in the American Southwest.
	Oh, the American Southwest?
	Yes.
	So if I'm getting this right then, you want contact and you apparently feel that intervention is the only way you're going to live.
	Is that it?
	I thought that intervention was a doable thing.
	I was looking for intervention on a global scale, but I don't think that's going to happen.
	What I think will happen is essentially a description of what this pickup From particular rallying points around the globe is going to consist of.
	In other words, if we can decompress people with the idea that, hey, certain folks are going to leave, and this is how it's going to go down, and this is the agency that's doing it.
	If that can, if that can, if, to work on that idea, I mean, that's, what will exactly, in fact, happen in terms of contact, I don't know.
	But my hope is that escape, exodus, essentially, an exodus.
	Look, you're going to be on your way to Ukraine shortly.
	This is obviously a very hot time with all of this going on.
	Will your research, number one, continue when you get to Ukraine?
	Number two, am I going to be able to still get you on the air and get the latest reports from you about what's going on and happening?
	You can get me on the air just about any time.
	I have to be discreet and circumspect about the area and the contact there.
	I told you I'm probably looking at somebody like James Cameron actually filming the event because I'm not credible enough in terms of being a wild card out there.
	People like Cameron are.
	I mean they've got a lot of respect and they know they're good filmmakers and they're believable.
	I have that stigma attached to me.
	You know, the mystique of intelligence, and that never will go away.
	You need somebody out there that can report this to a wide number of people.
	Anybody who's ever been in secret government programs does have that stigma, and I can tell just from, you know, what I read here on the Fast Plus, it's funny, what people will say Behind your back, Ed, versus what they will say to you in person.
	I open the lines and it's, oh, hi, Ed, how you doing?
	But the, you know, the computer fast blasts I get are saying, oh, get that jerk off the air, that kind of thing.
	You know, the angry ones.
	They'll never have the guts to say that to you, Ed.
	It rolls right off my back and I can see right through them.
	So it's not, you know, it's all rock and roll to me.
	What's kept you on the air all this time is your consistency.
	The consistency in what you say and now, of course, events that are manifesting right in front of our eyes.
	Ed, we'll talk to you from Ukraine.
	Buddy, thank you for being on the air tonight at the last moment.
	Always a pleasure.
	Best to you.
	Good night, Ed.
	Good night.
	From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell.
	All right, everybody.
	Really going to be open lines.
	Anything you want to talk about is fair game.
	It's a Friday night, Saturday morning, traditionally open lines, and that'll be coming right up.
	Let's look very quickly at the news.
	Let's see, in Chicago, look at this mess.
	A gunman carried a cache of weapons past security in a giant envelope Friday afternoon, chained a law office's doors closed, then fatally shot three people before a police sniper killed him As he held a hostage at gunpoint, authorities said, officers entered through another door in the U-shaped office, and a SWAT officer shot the gunman from about 45 yards away.
	My God, what's going on?
	Or this, another one, a Muslim convert who talked about his desire to wage jihad against civilians.
	...was charged Friday in a plot to set off hand grenades at a shopping mall at the height of the Christmas rush.
	Investigators said Derek Sharif, 22, an American citizen from Rockford, was acting alone, never actually obtained the grenades.
	He was arrested Wednesday when he met with an undercover agent in a parking lot to trade a set of stereo speakers for four hand grenades and a gun.
	Good God, folks, what's going on?
	Anyway, what's in heads out there that people these days are willing to not only give up their own life, but give up their own life to take others in random acts of idiotic violence?
	What in God's name is going on?
	Republican lawmakers and aides failed for a decade to protect male pages from sexual come-ons by former Republican Mark Foley, once described as a ticking time bomb.
	But they broke no rules and should not be punished, according to the House Ethics Committee.
	Boy, oh boy.
	Fire at Moscow Hospital kills 42.
	A fire broke out in a woman's ward of a Moscow drug treatment hospital early Saturday.
	42 died.
	At least awful as that is, it's an accident.
	These things where people are just suddenly deciding to give up their own lives in an effort to kill others, and it usually works because if you're willing to give up your own life to kill others, There's not a whole hell of a lot that can be done to stop you as we have found out very painfully over the last few years in America.
	In what was likely her final legislative act in Congress, outgoing Georgia Republican Cynthia McKinney produced a bill Friday to impeach our president, President Bush.
	The legislation has no chance of passing, serves as a symbolic parting shot not only at Bush, but also at Democratic leaders, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
	The slain terror leader, Abu Massab al-Zaqqari, purportedly believed that Iraq's Shiite Muslims were more dangerous than U.S.
	forces and more evil than dictator Saddam Hussein.
	According to a posthumous interview published Friday on the Internet, the 33-page interview conducted sometime before a U.S.
	fighter-bomber killed the former al-Qaeda fighter and Iraq leader in June could not be immediately authenticated.
	Study says bees can find explosives.
	This is pretty interesting.
	Here's the latest buzz.
	Guess they couldn't resist on detecting explosives.
	Bomb-sniffing bees.
	A study at Los Alamos National Labs has found that honeybees can be trained to detect explosives even tiny in quantity.
	These bees really perform, said bee biologist Tim Harmon, the study's leader.
	Whether honeybees will ever be enlisted in the War on Terror looks doubtful at this point, but I can't see why not, can you?
	If they can even find tiny amounts of explosives, then why not?
	And what is the state of the world, a world in which we have to be looking constantly for explosives?
	You know, I always called them the headshakers and they remain in my mind as headshakers.
	Again, people willing to give their lives to take the lives of others.
	Why?
	What does it mean?
	Why are we running into this?
	Is it a lack of religion?
	Is it the fact that we have taken religion largely out of everything that is public?
	Is it that people no longer believe in an afterlife, no longer believe in any sort of punishment for the evil they would do on Earth, and therefore we're getting more of it?
	I don't know.
	I've been giving this a lot of thought lately.
	I haven't got it figured out, but I'm working on it.
	Maybe some of you have thoughts on the matter.
	Why has evil, in fact there's a really good question for the night actually, why has evil begun to grow not only in America but frankly around the world?
	Why are more people than ever willing to give their lives to take the lives of others?
	There are, of course, certain circumstances where you can understand crimes of passion, that sort of thing.
	But so many of these crimes seem to involve literally nothing more than the want to take innocent civilian life.
	Before you go, to take as many innocent civilians with you as possible.
	I mean, to me, I think this marks a change.
	Usually when it's murder, there's a reason for it.
	There's some motive.
	Please call it, right?
	Motive.
	There's some reason for doing it.
	But there must be something else, something larger going on out there.
	Father Malachi Martin talked about the increase in evil in our world.
	And maybe that's the direction that I should be looking, that we should be looking at this increase in evil and why it's occurring.
	I don't know.
	It's a hell of a good question, though, if any of you feel like you've got answers.
	We are all ears.
	going to open lines in a moment.
	Sound of a jet taking off.
	Music.
	Friday night, Saturday morning, open lines is what it shall be.
	Let's take the plunge.
	East of the Rockies, Truett in Little Rock, Arkansas, you are upon the air.
	Hey, great to talk with you, Art.
	How you doing?
	I'm fine, sir.
	And yourself?
	I'm doing pretty good.
	Talking from KARN.
	I appreciate you taking my call.
	Ed Daines was talking about the kill shot.
	I was curious, in the past you've talked about how you really don't want to use the collective mind power of your audience to influence weather conditions and things, and of course with something like the kill shot, It would happen before we would know it, so we would have to do it way beforehand, but I was wondering if you'd ever recant that?
	Well, what I've always said, sir, is that I will stop toying with it.
	I will stop experimenting with it.
	But I've always had a caveat that if something was coming our way that would virtually wipe out mankind, then at that point I guess we wouldn't have much to lose, would we?
	Right.
	If I see signs that go even beyond what we see tonight, then yes.
	Yes.
	So that's your answer.
	Yes.
	But if we have no warning, if it's like a solar bullet that comes with all of eight minutes to get ready for it, then there's not much we can do.
	Right.
	Well, I guess there's probably going to be no warning at all.
	Really, for something like a kill shot from the sun, we wouldn't know anyway.
	So we would have to do some kind of For a plan for it, I'm not sure what the word is, but on the other thing you were talking about, what's happening to humankind now that we're wanting to kill innocent civilians, I'm coming to the conclusion that it's all about capitalism.
	I mean, when you look at these people over in other countries who are committing suicide with themselves because they have no other alternative or option, I'm sure a lot of it has to do with lack of resources, lack of money, lack of anything.
	I don't believe it.
	Listen, let me stop you.
	I don't believe it.
	And here's why I don't believe it.
	You can look on Google.
	I just printed it out the other day.
	The United States is not one of the happiest countries.
	It's not one of the saddest countries.
	They did a rating of happy.
	In fact, I'll see if I can go find a list.
	I hope it wasn't tossed.
	I put it out in the living room earlier.
	The Philippine people, for example, most of them are terribly poor.
	They are so poor.
	Oh God, it's so sad they're so poor.
	They are one of the happiest people on the face of the globe.
	And they, as a general rule, other than terrorism in the South, little spots of it, other than that, they don't blow themselves up.
	They don't do that kind of thing.
	And here we are, America, a big, rich nation, and we have people who sequester themselves in buildings with high-powered rifles, taking out as many as they can before they're taken out.
	Now, what the hell's that all about?
	Well, when you look at it and you talk about how these kids do their high schools and things, I can see that.
	That's definitely not to do with capitalism.
	There is something crazy going on there.
	There really is, and it's not capitalism because, as I point out here, it's just as poor as poor can be.
	America, by contrast with the Philippine Islands or many other nations, is insanely rich.
	And yet we have these things going on.
	I just don't get it.
	Well, just one last point if I can.
	Sure.
	You know, last night I was listening to George Norrie and he was talking to a gentleman, I forget the guy's name, but just that supposedly, according to this guy, the space, the Star Wars initiative initiated by Ronald Reagan, President Reagan, supposedly was done to keep the good guys, the good aliens,
	from having contact with us, which was, I don't know, somewhat strange with me to think
	about at the time, but I have been thinking about it today and, you know, supposedly people
	like Richard Branson or Mr. Bigelow, people like that, if they want to, they can't go against a
	lot, if they're American, they cannot send their own extra-terrestrial, their own vehicle up into
	space. They can't go out through, up above the atmosphere without breaking an American law
	because they are Americans.
	But I just wonder, you know, what right does a government have to stop somebody with the
	resources from doing their own thing and reaching space? I mean, I just, that's a...
	I've just been pondering that today.
	It's a very good question and I supremely appreciate your call.
	I don't have an answer for it.
	What right do they have to keep anybody who's capable of doing so from reaching space?
	Only in the sense that, for example, the FAA controls our airspace for the safety of those who fly in it, right?
	We have airliners, we have commercial air traffic, we have all the rest of it, and so to even get to fly, you've got to have a license.
	Frankly, that makes sense.
	And so I suppose the same thing might apply to space, but to keep them out, no, they don't have that right, nor are they doing it.
	Robert Bigelow has spacecraft in orbit.
	Others are certainly on the way.
	Private efforts have been underway.
	All of that's picking up a little bit.
	But it's got to be in some way regulated, just as our airspace is regulated.
	When you get on an airliner, you would not want to imagine a bunch of unlicensed idiots out there flying around, possibly colliding with your airliner, would you?
	So, regulation, yes.
	Prohibition, absolutely not.
	Absolutely not.
	Let's go west of the Rockies to Leo in La Grande, Oregon.
	Good evening.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	Yeah, I was listening to your discourse with Ed there, and a couple of interesting things popped into my mind.
	Back in October, I was reading something, and it had to do with astrology, but it caught my eye because they said that Pluto was going to be aligned with the galactic center, which in my uneducated, in that sense, uneducated mind, didn't mean very much.
	A few days or a few weeks later, I saw that Pluto had been re-designated from not being a planet anymore.
	It was stripped of its planetary status.
	It was stripped of its planetary status, and this was, again, within weeks of me reading about this.
	So that's just some food for thought.
	By the way, sir, if Pluto is no longer a planet, what is it?
	I don't know, and I don't know if that has to do with the collective consciousness thing, you know, of people not thinking about it as a planet anymore.
	Would that have something to do with, you know, and the fact that it's aligning with the galactic center, would the collective conscious vibration have something, would it interfere with the effect that it's supposed to have, or not?
	And I was also curious to know if you were aware of the fact that in And I'm not sure that this is true or not, I just read about it, that in 1971 NASA discovered that in the ionosphere, and that's another thing you were talking about with Ed, in the ionosphere of the planet, it's surrounded by a thick 10 Hz layer of frequency, which is the same frequency that the human mind operates in the alpha wave.
	And also a very close thank you to the Schumann Resonance Frequency, of course.
	I don't know.
	All of that is pretty much above my pay grade, so I wouldn't even begin to try to answer it, but it is certainly interesting.
	Something is clearly changing in terms of our behavior.
	Something is changing and I've been alive long enough to really see it.
	Now I guess not all of you see it and there may be many, well there are many of you, who never knew anything else other than the kind of random violence headlines we see today.
	Clearly there was a day when not all of this was going on.
	I'll try and get some of these statistics for you, and I hope that the paper I printed out the other day didn't get tossed.
	I didn't really mean to put it on the air, but since the subject has come up, they actually listed the countries of the world, the major countries of the world, by a happiness quotient.
	In other words, what the people reported.
	Are you happy?
	Are you reasonably happy?
	Are you content?
	Are you sad?
	Are you devastated?
	How do you feel?
	Make that wildcard line, David, in Montana.
	You're on the air.
	Hi, Art.
	It's interesting that you mentioned the Bee Project at Los Alamos.
	That project was actually started at the University of Montana by an advisor of mine at the university.
	No kidding?
	Yeah, Darren Smith.
	He was a fantastic professor.
	Great science teacher, great promoter of science.
	Do you happen to know offhand, sir, what it is about a bee that makes it an excellent, even better detector than the electronic detectors we have now?
	They're just super sensitive, I guess.
	They have amazing sensory detection.
	And the real thing is that they're able to be trained to do this in the first place.
	How do you train a bee?
	Yeah, they're able to train a bee.
	And that's what always blew me away about it, is that they could actually train the bees to do this.
	But actually, I called for a different reason.
	I wanted to call for quite some time.
	It was actually my first call in.
	It's pretty exciting to be on your show.
	You know, I'm wondering if I'm the only coast-to-coast listener that is making a connection between all the underground bases that have been Being built for the last, what, 50 plus years and these changes that are going on.
	And if you think about a place that might offer some level of protection, at least from the sun, you think it might be underground.
	And then you mix that in with secret government and talk of aliens wandering in these complexes.
	It makes you kind of wonder.
	Clearly, the answer to anything that would happen from the sun, or at least within certain limits, would be to be underground.
	There's no question about it.
	Now, could the government know something that we don't know?
	Could it be that scientists have told the government something that they have not yet bothered to tell us?
	I think the answer to that is yes.
	Would the government tell us if something catastrophic, something evil comes this way, or is going to happen?
	I think the answer to that is no.
	I would like to have more faith in my own government than that, but I think that if it was inevitable, whatever it was, an ELE as it were, they would not tell us.
	Well, and you think in a situation where there's, we're probably going to be looking at a situation where there's limited resources, then, you know, that becomes then the explanation as to why there's not going to be a mass announcement to the effect of this.
	Well, I agree completely with you, unfortunately.
	What would be the point of inducing panic?
	If what it was, whatever it was, was absolutely inevitable and in Ellie, there wouldn't be much point in telling everybody, would there?
	I'm Art Bell, just sort of cruising through the night with all of you on Coast to Coast AM.
	Indeed, here I am.
	God, the racket going on out there.
	Erin has taken little Dolly, little Dolly, to the vet to get the next in a series of shots that she's getting, which all new cats, of course, must get.
	And you would think that Abby has just had his right leg ripped off.
	He is out there crying the blues, just absolutely crying the blues.
	So I guess...
	I guess he really misses her.
	I was running around the condo trying to figure out who got wounded.
	I mean, it sounded like somebody just lost a leg or something, but it's just that little Dolly is missing and I guess Abby really, really misses her.
	We'll be right back.
	You heard a caller a little while ago that mentioned capitalism, you know, as some reason to perhaps be unhappy or something that might explain some of this evil that's going on.
	And I mentioned a survey.
	Well, fortunately, here it is.
	I've got it in my hands.
	It comes from nationmaster.com.
	That's nationmaster.com if you want to Check it out for yourself.
	I'm going to read some of this to you and it's just, it's unbelievable to me.
	It's entitled Lifestyle Statistics Happiness Level.
	Very happy by country.
	Alright?
	It actually rates by countries.
	Ranked as the happiest country according to the people in the surveys.
	Number one is Venezuela.
	That's right, Venezuela.
	Number two, Nigeria.
	Number three, Ireland.
	Number four, Iceland.
	Number five, Netherlands.
	Six, the Philippines.
	Seven, Australia.
	And ranked down at number eight, the United States.
	Followed by, and I won't read the numbers, Turkey, Switzerland, The United Kingdom is number 11, Belgium, Sweden, Denmark, Canada, Dominion Republic, Mexico, Austria, Chile, Norway, Argentina, Ghana, China, Japan, India, France, way down the list is France at 26, Brazil.
	My God, it goes on and on.
	So if you want to see this for yourself, don't take my word for it.
	Go look it up.
	It's on NationMaster.com.
	NationMaster.com.
	Again, here in the Philippines, I wouldn't kid you, there is abject poverty.
	And I mean abject poverty.
	And it is the sixth happiest nation in the world.
	So, this tells us something.
	I'm not sure what it's telling us.
	It's certainly telling us that money, or things, are not the key to happiness, right?
	So, we'd have to think about this a little bit.
	Go get the list for yourself and look it over.
	What is it that creates happiness in a people?
	Clearly, it's not money related.
	Clearly.
	Kind of a mystery, really, in a lot of ways.
	Let's go to this line and say, hello Pablo in California, you are on the air.
	Hello, Art, and Merry Christmas to you and your family.
	God bless you all.
	It is so nice to be on the phone with you again.
	Happy to have you.
	Thank you.
	Good versus evil.
	Breaking it down to fundamental physical concepts, there are very many people in this world that try to promote good, and the reaction to good is evil.
	Is that a good starting point for It is a reasonable starting point.
	Yes, it is.
	There are a lot of weird things in this world that I've noted in my life.
	For example, and anybody who has money, I've got some money.
	I don't have a lot of money.
	People think I have a lot more money than I do.
	Money was never an object of my life.
	I was in radio because I love radio and then magically, I guess I got good at it and the
	money came.
	But money was never the reason that I began my career, ever in my career.
	So what I found out is that if you give somebody money, and I've done that on a number of occasions,
	I've just given money to somebody.
	Even close family members, that kind of thing, it comes back and bites you right in the ass.
	I'm serious.
	Inevitably they end up hating you.
	The more good you do for them, The more hated you are.
	Now, you can take that from a personal level, and you can take it right up to the national level.
	The United States gives it away in bucketfuls, and what do we get for it?
	We're hated.
	Well, that being said, you're absolutely correct, and it's interesting that you just mentioned that we are number eight on the list.
	One of my favorite numbers!
	And it's nice to know that Iceland is up there.
	It's nice to know that many other countries are up there.
	I mean, look at this.
	Nigeria.
	I mean, how rich is that country?
	Venezuela's got some oil, but the people are poor.
	And as I mentioned here in the Philippines, number six, there's abject poverty here.
	So there's no guarantee of... I mean, money is obviously not a guarantee to happiness.
	What is it?
	Some of us have been very fortunate to travel extensively in Mexico.
	And I can't tell you how happy everybody is down in Mexico when you get out away from the big touristy areas and amongst the people themselves.
	I love surfing.
	I'm a body boarder, a boogie boarder as it were, and obviously that is the primary reason I go to Mexico.
	On this list, Mexico is number 17 between the Dominican Republic and Austria.
	Okay, well I don't know who's taking the survey and how they're tabulating their data, but I can tell you firsthand that people in the country in Mexico are much more happy than the people in the cities in Mexico.
	And it's the same way here in the United States.
	But what is profoundly going wrong in our country that people And people are willing to sacrifice their own life just to see how many other lives they can take before theirs ends.
	That's too weird for me to even think about.
	I know what you're saying, and I agree with the concept of how weird it is.
	But again, going back to the fundamental concepts of physics, and I'm by no means a physicist as it were, but I've got a pretty good feel for what's going on.
	As a result of listening to you and your show and George and his show and many other shows on the radio, and all politics aside, it becomes a situation where you're either happy or you're not happy.
	And people want to be happy or they don't want to be happy.
	And they will find a reason and a way to be either.
	Well, in the past, thank you, in the past people could be unhappy without going to secure a high-powered rifle and taking out as many others as they could manage to take out.
	I don't know, there's been a profound change, a real serious basic change.
	And this is something we all should be considering.
	And again, go back to what Father Malachi Martin said.
	If you have an opportunity to listen to any of those programs, he said, Art, you can be walking down the street in New York City and you can pass people on the street and you can know that they are perfectly possessed.
	Now, I'm not a religious nut.
	I'm far from it.
	I'm probably pretty close to agnostic.
	I am agnostic, really.
	If by meaning that I really don't know whether there is a God, I pray and I hope and I think there is a God, but I don't know it.
	That's why I've always said I'd go back to the time of Jesus if I could travel in time.
	I don't absolutely know it.
	I'm the kind of guy who's got to be able to put my hand on something before I can believe it.
	So I guess, in a way, I'm agnostic.
	But I have enough of a...
	Sorry, word.
	I have enough of a belief that there probably is a God that I...
	I... I would...
	You know what? Even beyond that, even if I didn't think that there was a God, and I certainly do,
	even if I didn't think there was a God, I still would be well behaved,
	in the sense of not committing some awful crime, not doing anything bad to anybody.
	Heck, I don't even step on ants.
	A lot of people go out of their way to step on bugs.
	I don't even do that.
	I'm really struggling with what it is, this profound change, whatever it is, that has made people so unhappy.
	If unhappy is even the right word, maybe it's evil.
	Maybe evil is proliferating in a way that Father Malachi Martin suggested it was, and there are simply those perfectly possessed people out there.
	I don't know.
	I truly don't know.
	Wild Card Line 2, Tom in Seattle, Washington, your turn.
	Hello Art.
	My cat, Sweetie, gives his sympathies to Dolly for her shots.
	Dolly's probably reasonably happy.
	Dolly's with Aaron on the way to the vet.
	It's Abby here who's going nuts.
	I heard what was going on out there and I thought a right leg got ripped off or something.
	Yeah, I heard that.
	I wanted to talk to you about last Sunday.
	I was holding on while Kurt Wait, wait, wait.
	when time ran out and I wanted to talk to Sean Carroll about a trip I had to Cedar Red
	Akula. I've been abducted four times. I've had 30 visits by these five-foot high gray
	aliens to my home and they're nuts about my home-built jet that I'm building and all the
	model airplanes in my shop. You're building a home-built, wait, wait, wait, wait, you're
	building a home-built jet? Yeah, I'm doing the three-quarter size F-16 and I've got a
	rear jet engine in it.
	My God.
	Are you actually going to, you're going to fly this thing?
	Well, yeah, it'll be the third airplane I've built like that.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I'm alive to tell you that I can do it.
	Are you going to fly in it?
	Yes.
	What happens is, is you go down the runway at five mile an hour first to see if the brakes and the steering work.
	Okay, we've got a bad phone connection here.
	until you can lift it off the ground an inch and then you come off the power and put it down.
	And you're counting runway lights while you're doing that so you know how long it takes to stop.
	So you do this about 25-30 times and then you open it up to see if it's going to kill you.
	And you carefully check this out and then you go around the pattern one time.
	Okay we've got a bad phone connection here. So you've been abducted any number of times, huh?
	Four.
	Four times?
	Do you recall the details of your abduction?
	Yes, I've written a book and I've got a CD that I made, but I wanted to talk to Sean Carroll and ask him about my trip to Zeta Reticuli and see if he could give some credence to what I saw when I was there.
	Well, obviously he's not here, my friend, so we can't do that.
	I'm going to cut that short because we have a very, very bad line.
	Abducted four times.
	Well, I'm not sure that Chuck Harrell would have been the appropriate person for that.
	He, of course, was a theoretical physicist and commenting on those kinds of matters and, frankly, very much of a doubter.
	When it comes to things extraterrestrial and that sort of thing.
	You know, you get a scientist like that on the air and there's really no point in pushing them on these subjects because you're not going to get that far with them.
	At the very best they're going to say, well this is something that could be.
	It's something that I'd be willing to look into if there was hard evidence.
	But that's about as far as any real legit scientist is going to go.
	What I would like to see one day is somebody, perhaps not John Carroll, he might not be the appropriate person, but some mainstream scientist, really take a moment, more than a moment, and investigate all of these reports and really take about a year to delve into ufology in general and then comment on it to see all of the evidence, the evidence we do have And then comment for us on it.
	But of course they won't do that.
	They have careers and families that they have to protect, so in a lot of ways it's very understandable.
	On the international line, from Toronto, Canada, Marty, it's your turn.
	Hi Art, thank you for taking my call.
	Sure.
	You had asked the difference between what was making the planet more evil, or the way I see it as more negative.
	You know, I was listening to your show last year, And I had an epiphany overnight and I woke up the next day and I saw everything as positive and negative energy, meaning words, numbers, everything.
	When two people argue, the positive and negative energy that transfers.
	And I think the question that you had asked was, you know, why is the influx of evil taking over the planet?
	And the only explanation in a positive and negative, simplistic way, Was to see it as the cycle that we're coming back onto.
	I see it like a piston on a motor car that comes back the top, dead center.
	As the piston comes and hits the top of the cycle, there's another explosion that runs through the entire cycle again.
	And the easiest way I can explain it is through positive and negative energy.
	You know, the root word of Good is God, and the root word of devil is evil.
	You know, when you look at it in simplistic positive and negative terms, it feels like there's a greater influx of negative energy pressing galactically somehow on the planet.
	Well, I do wonder at some of God's representatives, you know, those in the priesthood and so forth.
	Many, believe it or not, don't believe in hell.
	They don't believe in real evil, which really surprises me.
	In other words, how can you believe so strongly and have such great faith that there is a God?
	Without also knowing there is an opposite, there is an evil force, whatever you want to call it, the devil or anything you want to call it, that there is that evil force and that it seems to be on the increase here on earth right now.
	You agree with that?
	Oh yeah, I agree that there's definitely, I've felt it myself, where you try and stay positive in a positive mode where you're going through maybe some difficulty in your life And you try and think positive, and the negative seems to creep back in.
	And because we're connected, grounded, so to speak, right through our feet, right to the Earth, it's almost like whatever happens to the Earth and the planet and the core comes right up through into us.
	And we just react based on the energy that's flowing through the Earth.
	I'm also willing to buy that.
	Look, we're absolutely part of Earth.
	We cannot go into space for long periods of time without beginning to have a deterioration in many of our bodily functions and our muscles and all the rest of it.
	So, we are connected to the Earth.
	I'm not sure that I go so far as Gaia, you know.
	It's a living planet, it may be, but certainly we're connected to it in a very basic way, and if something starts to go wrong with Earth, something starts to go wrong with us.
	Yeah, there's definitely that connection that I don't think we can get away from.
	I think it's just a part of our being.
	Well, well worth considering, Marty.
	Thank you very, very much for the call.
	Of course there's an evil, of course there is an opposite of good, which is evil, and opposite of God, which is, for lack of a better word, Lucifer or the devil.
	And I've always wondered about that, how so many men of good faith can believe in one without believing in the other.
	That's always been a sort of a puzzle to me.
	West of the Rockies, Bruce from Ontario, you're on the air.
	Hi Art, how are you doing?
	Very well.
	How's the quitting smoking going?
	I'm doing very well.
	For example, during the program, during doing this program, I have managed to limit myself to four cigarettes, one per hour, during the show.
	And I'm telling you, buddy, I was doing a pack a show before.
	Yeah, that's a lot.
	I was just calling about the Hopi Indian you had on about four years ago.
	Do you remember that?
	Actually, I had several Hopi on, yes.
	yeah i'd like to prevent that but when you had on with the word of god
	i don't know are they had uh...
	Listen, I'm way short on time here.
	Was it the word of God?
	I don't know.
	It was the word of the Hopi Nation.
	It was the word of that particular man.
	And they felt that some very difficult times were about to be visited on us.
	We had to do translations to do that show.
	It was very compelling.
	Very interesting.
	If you get a chance, take a listen.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Friday night, Saturday morning, the airwaves are yours, ladies and gentlemen.
	I'm Art Bell, filling in for George Norrie.
	A well-deserved day off.
	in a moment back to absolutely open lines international line
	Jose in Guadalajara, Mexico.
	You're on the air.
	I think you're on the air.
	Jose?
	Maybe you're not on the air.
	Let's try this.
	And then this.
	Are you there, Jose?
	No, I guess he's not.
	That was strange.
	It's kind of like he was on the air all by himself.
	So I'm not sure what happened there.
	Let's instead go to Joseph in Indiana.
	You're on the air.
	Hey, hello there.
	It's been a long time I've been listening to you.
	You probably gave me some of the happiest moments of my life while I was driving my truck.
	Good.
	It certainly wiles away the miles, doesn't it?
	Yeah, it sure does.
	I remember the night you glued your lips together.
	Oh my goodness.
	About fell out the window.
	Um, don't remind me.
	I got a little story to tell you.
	I got a house there in Camotes, Philippines.
	It's outside of Cebu City.
	About 40 miles out in the water.
	And I went there for a, I live in Indiana, but I had to go there for a business trip.
	And while I was there, a typhoon come rolling through.
	This was in October.
	So I stayed at my house.
	Oh, four or five days of nothing but rain.
	And I had brought with me four telescopes because with no street lights there, you know, there's It's beautiful.
	Well, it is, but there's an awful lot of humidity here.
	That's the other factor that somewhat limits the night sky.
	You know, the humidity here is always in the 90s, very close to 100%.
	Right.
	Well, you'll have to come down and check out the island there.
	It's a lot better.
	The humidity isn't as bad down there once you get away from the other side of the island there.
	I see.
	But I was going to tell you about my... So I'm stuck there at the house in the rain and typhoon.
	You know how that is.
	And about 1.30 in the morning, everything was quiet.
	So I jumped out of bed and I said, I'm going to look outside, see if I can see some stars.
	And lo and behold, there were three small UFOs and one large UFO out over the water.
	Why would you have an expectation to have a good star viewing situation while it's raining and a typhoon is around?
	Well, it got quiet.
	I'd been reading my book, and so this is like 1.30 in the morning, so I'm done reading the book, and I figure I'm going to look out there and see if the clouds had cleared up because it quit raining.
	I see.
	And it had cleared up, but to my amazement, three of these small UFOs were playing tag out there over the water.
	It was just amazing.
	I'm hollering for my wife to bring me my glasses so I can see better.
	All she's worried about is getting me my pants, because I'm standing on the front porch hollering about these UFOs.
	Yes.
	Yes, well, I'd want my glasses first, too, provided I wasn't here in Manila.
	Now, I suppose on an island off Cebu you can do that, but it wouldn't be advised here in Manila.
	Right.
	So we got to watch them for about 20 minutes.
	The big orange one, though, once we were standing there watching them for about five minutes, the big orange one moved down and kind of hit itself through the trees, hid behind the trees.
	Oh, so it actually virtually landed almost?
	Yes, I'd say maybe it was 50, 100 foot off the ground.
	And how long ago was all of this?
	October this year.
	You told me.
	That's right.
	So what did they eventually do?
	Just all take off?
	Or was there some encounter beyond that?
	Well, no other encounter.
	They played out there for about 20 minutes.
	The three little ones.
	They'd come into one and then they'd split off and they'd do their 90 degree angle turns and shoot around out there.
	And the big one, he just sat out there.
	Didn't do anything but sit.
	And so I went Through the rest of the house, trying to get everybody else.
	They lived on the island there.
	I tried to get them to get up and see these UFOs.
	Nobody would even get out of bed, because they said it happens all the time.
	The fishermen see that all the time, so they weren't even interested in getting up and seeing it.
	Isn't that something?
	So while I was trying to... Oh, sorry.
	No, that's alright.
	So, eventually, what happened?
	Well, eventually, they flew away.
	Well, there you've got it.
	That's a report from here in the Philippines.
	Here in Manila, because of course it's a very large city, I think we're a city of 11 million?
	15 million?
	I don't know.
	The air is, as you would imagine, in a city, for the most part, and there's a great deal of humidity, so rarely do you get to see but one or two stars and, of course, the moon.
	Now, when you get out of the city, you get into the mountainous areas here in the Philippines, or down, for example, into the area off Cebu, as he mentioned, you might have very clear skies, save the humidity factor.
	They're everywhere, aren't they?
	West of the Rockies in El Paso, Texas.
	Donna, you're on the air.
	Hi there.
	Hi.
	How are you?
	Very well, Donna.
	Good, good, good.
	Well, you are on the subject about heaven and hell.
	And I feel that on the land that I'm actually at right now has some type of a spiritual or it was maybe a Kiva or a battleground or some nature like that.
	Um, it's been like about a two year, um, I would say spiritual venture, uh, different learning stages.
	And, um, what it turns out to be is that in the backyard, um, I can actually, um, I've actually taken photos of and I've also shown to one other person because no one else, everybody else is like scared to death of it.
	Um, they consider it a battleground or something you just don't talk about.
	But, um, It's the exchange between heaven and hell.
	I can actually see and have taken photos of the two apparitions.
	One being good, of course, the other being bad.
	Well, Donna, why have you not sent them to me?
	I will.
	I will.
	Thank you.
	Listen to me.
	I am Art Bell.
	A-R-T-B-E-L-L at MindSpring.com.
	Okay.
	You may indeed.
	Please.
	I actually was thinking in the morning light, in the morning, the divine light comes.
	And actually, you could see the sparkling lights going to the heavens, like actually the souls that have made it to heaven.
	Now, there's actually the other side, too, where you can, I mean, you can see these little red lights like channel off.
	And in the center, you could actually see the sparkling lights of, I guess, the decision making, what I would call it.
	Decision making.
	What do you mean by that?
	I would say that would be purgatory.
	Purgatory.
	Correct.
	I mean, whether you get together heaven or hell.
	And what it taught me about seeing all this and trying to actually convince people to come look is that I've never been more sound in my spirituality.
	And I believe that what everybody chooses for their spirituality, it's not shown there.
	You know, there's no right, there's no wrong religion.
	You know, it's absolutely just beautiful.
	It's peaceful.
	You know, I mean, it may be scary to other people, but I believe that's what the world is missing, is that they could see that there is good and there is bad.
	And it's right there in front of their eyes.
	I mean, it happens every other day.
	You can see it.
	Alright Donna, I would like you to please make an effort to go ahead and email me whatever you've got.
	Anything that would prove to people that there is a good and there is an evil and that these are real entities would perhaps go a long way in changing the world.
	Science is closing in, I believe, on what many of us consider to be The paranormal.
	All of the things that we talk about on this program.
	Science really, truly is beginning to close in on proving some of these things, and if not in our lifetimes, Than the lifetimes of our children.
	I think that science and paranormal are going to merge in so many areas.
	There may be some areas of the paranormal that science will actually be able to prove are simply myth or people's imaginations or what have you.
	But all of it clearly is not.
	And in several areas science is starting to close in.
	And I kind of wonder what will happen when science makes a definitive statement about some aspect or aspects of the paranormal and verifies them.
	It'll cause people to think and perhaps that will be a very good thing.
	East of the Rockies, way down in Houston, Texas.
	John, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	I wanted to tell you that I passed a couple of psychological exams.
	Congratulations, I guess.
	Psychological oral boards for police exams and so forth, and I'm in law enforcement now.
	It's just to talk about credibility.
	In reference to Dame's predictions and all his remote viewing, it's something that's in the Bible.
	It says, all things work together for the good of them who are the called of Christ Jesus.
	And then also, there's nothing under the sun that is new.
	And all that has been will be, as something Solomon said.
	And then also, I don't concern myself with things that are too profound for me.
	I want you to know that I was advised today by a fellow employee that biometric jails will soon be coming online.
	What is a biometric jail?
	Well, what it is, is it's going to be some way to biologically do like bio keys.
	For officers to get in and out of jails to tend, you know.
	Oh, you mean so that, for example, it would look at your irises in your eye or whatever and that would be the key?
	It'll be a keyless jail.
	Yeah.
	And then also, you know, this thing about enhanced humans, well, I believe that they're already here.
	There's different formulas for humans becoming enhanced.
	Spiritual, religious, chemical of course.
	John, if you were going to be enhanced, if you were offered one enhancement, what would you choose?
	What area of enhancement would you choose?
	I've already chose that and that's my salvation through Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
	And there's going to be a day in the far future where Even Satan himself and death will bend their knees and confess him as Lord, and then they'll be tossed into the eternal lake of hell.
	And, you know, it's just something that I wanted you to also know that the rapture is going to be a real thing, and it's a real occurrence.
	So you didn't much like Ed's description of people getting vacuumed up, but not necessarily what's called rapture.
	Well, that ties back into the statement that I made where all things work together for the good of them who are in the call of Christ Jesus.
	He's simply, you know, he's an enhanced human being, and what he's simply doing is he's lending credibility to something that's going to actually occur, and folks like Alright John, I appreciate your call.
	I've got to scoot.
	Ed is an enhanced human being, huh?
	Well, perhaps so.
	It may be that the ability to remote view would certainly be considered an enhancement, right?
	But it's not exactly a biological enhancement because it's something that, according to Ed and many others, can be learned by virtually anybody.
	So perhaps enhancement is in our own hands, so to speak.
	Wild Card Line 3, Ray in Florida, you're on the air.
	Merry Christmas, Art.
	This is Ray, listening on The Sky with my striped orange cat, Max.
	And I had told you about the 19 Miracles, told you two of 19 Miracles.
	I'm somewhat of a psychic and an amateur scientist, and I have a theory about matter.
	It has to do with polarization that might explain the Human condition gone awry, as well as what Ed Dayton was saying about dark matter and the gravity coming close, you know, gravity waves?
	Yes.
	Okay, well, the typical analogy is an hourglass.
	If you consider sand falling through an hourglass, or the infinity sign, but also in the antimatter realm, it falls back through.
	It changes into antimatter and falls back through.
	Scientists say that the universe is composed of 75% dark matter.
	And there's some small percentage, like 12% or something, of dark energy.
	And there's only something like 7% of visible matter in the universe, and 12% of visible energy in the universe.
	And what it is, it's not dark matter, it's antimatter.
	And the scientists say that when matter comes in contact with antimatter, it annihilates it.
	Actually, when the Big Bang took place, It went out in both directions.
	It went out in antimatter and matter.
	And the two are tied together kind of like two loops of a string, you know, like the infinity sign.
	And so out there in, like, say, when one star comes closer to another, each star's mass is increased.
	It's kind of like, you remember the experiment in 1942 where they were beginning to build, you know, the nuclear test And they had two bottle trains, and each one having part of the critical mass.
	When they came close to each other, the critical mass began to glow.
	That's great.
	And the scientists flipped one train off the track to keep from having a nuclear explosion.
	Well, that's what's happening.
	In other words, our Earth, the solar system, and our star, and other stars, they all have matter that interposes with each other.
	And as it comes close, As a star comes close, or a large comet or anything like that comes close to our solar system, it begins to build the energy in our own solar system.
	That's why the Earth is... And the polarization is kind of like, you know, the people, the human condition is going to arrive because people are becoming polarized.
	Like that one guy said about Ghana, and that lady was just saying about the Pregatory, that all ties in.
	All right, well, you know what?
	It kind of makes sense.
	That anything that would affect our Earth, anything that would affect our solar system would affect us.
	I do think that we are absolutely tied to... I don't want to get too foo-foo on you, but I think we're tied to Earth.
	I think we're tied to Mother Earth, and as Mother Earth changes, So do we.
	So the change in the human condition that we've been discussing tonight could well be tied to some event that we have yet.
	It could be, he said, polarization.
	It could be virtually anything.
	But the fact that the change is underway I think is Beyond dispute.
	At least in my mind, it's beyond dispute.
	They still represent head shakers, and I don't have the full answer.
	Perhaps that man did, or one of you does.
	I don't know.
	All I know is, we really are changing.
	West of the Rockies, all the way to Homer, Alaska.
	Ken, you're on the air.
	Yes, sir.
	I'd like to start this conversation by saying, I want to tell you something that I know, not what I believe, think, or feel.
	Okay.
	Okay?
	And I know that you can know God.
	And this is basically how it's done.
	When you hold yourself to Christ's standards, and you try to keep His law, the law acts like a plow, and it also acts like one through labor pains.
	And after a few times of being tried through this, He will reveal Himself unto you.
	This is called the beatific vision, and you can look it up in the dictionary.
	I went through this vision.
	I know my Lord and Savior.
	I know He's no liar.
	That's what you have to know.
	Okay, well I'm envious of you that you know this.
	I wish I did.
	And you can.
	It's available to all.
	It says, whosoever will.
	So it's a matter of your will.
	Okay.
	And it's, you know, it's just in doing it.
	If you follow what he says do, and you hold yourself to his standards, you don't add nothing to it or take nothing from it.
	I don't think we're really able to keep up with his standards.
	He was the one that was perfect, right?
	We can model ourselves after him and we can try and do our very best.
	I certainly do that, but we are not perfect.
	Somebody said we're all sinners.
	Those of us walking the earth right now and I think that's accurate.
	From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell.
	Indeed.
	Here I am.
	It's your night.
	Open lines.
	Anything you want to talk about is absolutely fair game.
	How you doing?
	It feels like one of those nights.
	We'll be right back.
	Maybe all of this is wrapped around the number of people that are on the Earth right now.
	I think we all pretty much understand that there's lots of essentially vacant land out there, that the human race is concentrated into the larger cities, and that there's still a lot of empty land on the earth.
	But what the actual supportable level of population on the earth is, is an entirely different question.
	How the earth changes are affecting those who walk upon its surface is yet another question.
	All right, back to the lines we go, and let's try again on the international line for Jose in Guadalajara, Mexico.
	Are you there, Jose?
	Finally, Jose is here.
	Okay.
	Hello, Art.
	I just love your show.
	I listen often here via the computer, and I wanted to comment on the apparent growth in violence and evil and the dastardly deeds that human beings do to each other.
	Yes.
	At the risk of sounding Bible-thumping-ish, if you'll excuse that expression, not only does the Bible talk about in Daniel and in Revelation that during the end of the age, A release of evil will be set upon the world as has never been seen before.
	I think we could say that's underway.
	I see it very clearly.
	In Ephesians chapter 6, which talks about, and I don't think many people in the world actually believe this, but that we do not battle against flesh and blood.
	But against powers and principalities.
	I think if people would understand that scripture and understand the period of time that we're in, we could defeat evil more than not.
	I truly believe that.
	And your show allows people to expand their minds and think, Art, you and George and this whole coast to coast thing is a wonderful Worldwide blessing and thank you.
	All right, thank you very much and I do think, and again I am not...
	A thumper, as you know.
	I'm far from it.
	I think I'm a believer, but I'm not a thumper.
	And I'm not sure what the distinction is.
	I guess it's absolute faith, which I can't say that I have.
	I don't have absolute faith.
	I have faith.
	Can you say that?
	Can you have faith without having absolute faith?
	If you have doubts about something.
	For example, we've had people tonight calling and quoting the Bible.
	I don't necessarily believe that every word in the Bible is as it was delivered originally.
	I think that man may have changed a very great deal about what was originally said.
	I think that human fingerprints and footprints are all over the Bible.
	So do I think it's word for word, unchanged?
	No, I really don't.
	I don't have faith about that.
	I mean you only need to look at Uh, how the world works now, uh, and how history is written, or re-written, might be a better way to put it, to understand that something that is virtually 2,000 years old might not have made it in, you know, word for word.
	But as a general rule, I believe that Jesus did walk the earth, and I believe that all of that did happen.
	I just, I don't know that we can believe the Bible word for word, and I guess I don't.
	I guess I have my doubts about that.
	Jim, in Los Angeles, you're on the air.
	Good evening, Art.
	Good evening.
	I called you a few months ago and shared an interesting ice cream product with you, the cheddar cheese ice cream.
	I was wondering if you had a chance to look into that.
	I have not.
	The idea of cheddar cheese and ice cream just don't go together in my mind.
	It didn't in mine either, but don't worry, I'm not selling the stuff.
	It just seemed like a A very unconventional thing that would be appropriate to a show that deals with unconventional stuff.
	Well, under that category, yeah, it fits right in.
	Now, there was something else I was thinking of.
	Your questions about the nature of religion and faith.
	Now, I am not a particularly religious person.
	Nor am I, and by the way, I really want to make clear, I did not intent, nor do I want this to turn into some sort of religious show.
	We're not that.
	We touch on these topics because they're part of the paranormal, but I don't by any means want to turn this into a Bible-quoting show.
	In fact, I used to not allow Bible quotes, and I really don't want to now either.
	Oh, well, don't worry.
	I wasn't going in that direction, but I was thinking of something that You would probably qualify as an expert on, and that is, the nature of radio.
	There are a lot of things that we take for granted about that, but we take things on faith.
	I've never observed a radio wave, but I know how to tune into them and make use of them in a practical, daily manner.
	That's enough for me.
	While I don't go into the highly religious way, I do think that there are certain principles that kind of make sense.
	Yeah, but Jim, we can scientifically explain and even show how radio or television waves propagate and why they propagate.
	What we cannot show and cannot yet understand is how evil and or good propagate.
	No, I would go along with that.
	whether there really are points from which they emanate, just to stick with the analogy
	of radio or television.
	We know where radio and television signals come from, and again, we know how they propagate.
	With good and evil, we don't know from where they come, and we don't know how they propagate.
	No, I would go along with that.
	So, I think there are some things that, while we don't know exactly the specifics...
	There are some things that we know do work and some things that don't.
	With this holiday season, I pay attention to conversations I might overhear in a store or amongst the children of friends.
	I think this will touch on the happiness question as well.
	There are things that I observe now that would be completely unheard of when I was that age, say 20 or 30 years ago.
	Just a level of commercialism that just wasn't there.
	It was a little bit.
	There were still spoiled kids that I went to school with.
	It was very different.
	I think perhaps part of our great technological progress has brought so many more things that you absolutely got to have.
	Yeah, that's a very, very good point.
	I wonder how much of the new age of technology really is good.
	I'm tossing these terms around, good and evil, and I don't know that technology is good or evil.
	It's neither one.
	I wonder how it affects us.
	I really wonder how it affects us.
	Clearly something.
	has begun to affect us in a negative manner, from a social point of view, in a negative manner.
	That there is so much violence, that there are so many people willing to just give their life again in order to take as many innocent lives as possible before they take their own or they know their own will be taken.
	That there is so much of this going on does mean there's been some gigantic change.
	Let's go to Milwaukee, east of the Rockies.
	Carl, you're on the air.
	Hello Art, good to finally talk to you.
	Good to have you.
	I want to thank you for your great programs.
	what i want to discuss is uh... i don't dispute uh... the parts about uh...
	uh... some of the cars before you mentioned having the connection to the
	earth but uh...
	above the earth we have uh... social engineering going on uh... we have uh...
	uh... you know the people removal of the architect amendments room for buildings but
	which which are kind of rules which are bad
	and uh... but i'll see what what harm they do but uh... obviously bothers
	some people but uh...
	i it obviously does bother a lot of people and uh... there's
	a or war There's a literal war underway in the United States to separate completely and without any reservation religion and government.
	To have them so totally separate and we've just gone too damn far with it.
	That's all there is to it.
	We've gone too far with it and removing this much religion Is beginning to have telling effects, and if it isn't that, then it's something else that I've missed.
	It's the only thing you can really point to that's a possible answer for what's happening.
	I'm at a loss here, buddy.
	How about you?
	Well, I am in a way, too.
	I remember here in Milwaukee, when I was a young child in the 50s, there were only two murders in this town.
	All year, and now it's like over 100 a year.
	And how that occurred, and it occurred so fast.
	In a matter of like over 10 years, it just grew so quickly.
	But, I don't know.
	Although, sometimes, I mean, I lived in a poor neighborhood as a child.
	And we were poor Europeans that were living in an apartment building, and next to us were black buildings.
	And we never feared walking the streets.
	And there was no racial hate at the time between us.
	Well, maybe because we were all poor.
	But, you know, at the same time, My mother, through example, taught me a lot of what I believe and how I live my life.
	Part of it, they came from a small country called Latvia.
	During the time of the German occupation, sometimes you find kindness, or I don't know what you would call it at the time.
	In the strangest places, like an SS uniform.
	My mother was caught by an SS officer giving food to the people behind the barbed wire who were being starved.
	And she never really acknowledged his presence, although he said, you know, you could be shot for this.
	She never acknowledged it, kept on doing what she was doing and walked away.
	Well, maybe there was some part of him that was human.
	I mean, even some Nazis, I suppose, were not fully into what the state was into.
	So I can imagine that.
	I can imagine some humanity leaking through.
	There were people, too.
	As history continues to unfold, you tend to take a group like the Nazis, and I'm certainly not defending them in any way.
	They were horrible.
	But you lump them all together and they were evil, incarnate evil, right?
	Well, I'm sure not each and every one of the individuals was that way.
	Some, I'm sure, who were quite human in doing what they felt they had to do, which didn't justify it.
	I mean, you know, that old thing of, oh, I was just following orders, is insufficient to be sure, but I'm sure there was humanity scattered among it.
	Let's go to the first time caller line, and Shane in Louisiana.
	Hello, Art.
	How are you doing tonight?
	I'm okay, Shane.
	Great.
	To touch on your, I guess your subject of matter, But, you know, evil and how it's propagating right now.
	There's always been evil, but I guess there's just like a big outcry from what people are doing evil towards innocent people, especially like in the United States of America, you know.
	It's not limited chain to the United States at all, and I think propagating is really a good word.
	Propagating is a good way to think of it.
	It is propagating, almost like a radio or a television wave.
	Of course, of course.
	But I really want to talk about sound waves.
	I want to pick your brain about sound technology and why our guests don't elaborate on...
	I don't know.
	What is it specifically you're asking about?
	Well, how sound can be used to levitate items.
	Well, that's surely just brand new in the news.
	I guess many of you have seen the story, but they've now managed to use sound to levitate not just small things, but even insects and even small fish.
	I think I read that story last week, and what I thought was particularly hilarious, if you can imagine a levitated fish using sound waves to levitate a fish.
	Sound, of course, has a force.
	It's like anything else in the world.
	Have you ever gone to a concert, for example, and have you felt the boom, boom, boom in
	your chest pushing against you?
	Well, that's a force.
	Sound of course is a force and sufficiently great amounts of it concentrated properly
	are enough to levitate a fish, for example, into the air.
	And the scientists, after levitating the fish, I guess were humane enough to take a little
	needle and inject some water around the fish so that it could levitate in a little blurb
	of water.
	So, if you can wrap your mind around this, there was a little fish levitating in mid-air with a little bubble of water all around that.
	Strange stuff!
	Let's go to Wild Card Line 3, and I think it's Karen in Iowa.
	Yes, hi Art.
	Hi.
	I have known about this for quite a while, and I've just waited for people to come to a realization that it is happening, because the story is going to sound a little bit out there.
	What are we talking about?
	Okay, in 1982, there was stories of a red moon, an eclipse, happening on June 6th.
	Well, the newscaster out of Springfield, Missouri, I was in the Ozarks, had said that there was going to be an alignment of the planets and a strange child being born that night.
	Then I saw it on a tabloid.
	The woman I was living with was a Wiccan.
	So the Wiccans got on their phone.
	You know how they all call each other when events are happening.
	Well, she was told she needed to do her circle that night.
	And if you know what a circle is, you put it around the property to protect you.
	A protection circle?
	I'm aware of what it is, yes.
	Yes, yes.
	So other people would know.
	And we weren't allowed to sleep and we had to dress in garb and do a ritual, a protection ritual.
	And she sat me down and she told me that the third of heaven on the night that this child was being born was going to open up.
	And that all these little demons were going to try and find bodies before the end times.
	And the seven seals were going to start happening on the earth.
	And she said, this AIDS, she said, this is one of them, one of the plagues.
	As you know, 82 is when the news broke about AIDS.
	And she said, and it's going to get worse, and there's going to be earth changes, and the, but this evil child was going to be what we know today as the Antichrist.
	Born June 6, 1982.
	So, he walks on the earth today and has since June 6, 1982.
	That's right.
	I think I've got it, and I hope you're wrong.
	I sincerely hope you're wrong, because if he now walks, why, we're all in danger.
	But if you look around at what's going on, on the earth, and actions by those who tread upon the earth, one might almost believe that could be true, huh?
	From Manila, the Philippine Islands, Philippine Nation, I'm Art Bell.
	You know what?
	That's a really interesting proposition.
	Consider, radio waves, it was that caller who brought it up, radio waves and television waves propagate, don't they?
	We understand how they propagate.
	We understand about the electromagnetic spectrum.
	We have a very good understanding of how radio waves propagate, how UHF, VHF radio waves propagate to a line of sight distance and even on occasions beyond through one means or another, ducting in other ways.
	We understand how short wave signals propagate.
	But what we don't understand is how evil, or perhaps even good, also might propagate.
	Is it possible that the increase in evil that we see manifesting in the world, and it is a different kind of evil, I mean, God knows, people have always killed each other, they've always had motive to kill each other, envy, hatred, theft, I don't know, you could go through a whole list, right, of things and reasons why people kill each other and do what we consider evil.
	But, if you'll excuse the expression, in the old days, there used to be reasons, motives, All be it ones that would put you in jail or have you executed for what you did, but reasons, motives, things that others, though they certainly wouldn't agree with, would understand.
	Or you would have some idea of why somebody committed such a terrible offense, but today we have these.
	And I still call them head shakers.
	These seemingly pure evil things that just, you know, let me see if I can get a gun and go kill a bunch of people before I kill myself or the police do it for me.
	Those kinds of things.
	It's almost like that kind of evil is propagating.
	Could it be true?
	Could evil be propagating?
	At a frequency that we don't understand.
	Sound of a rocket taking off.
	Music.
	Well alright, as promised, back to open lines.
	Anything you want to talk about is fair game.
	First time caller, no, make that wildcard line.
	Tiffany, you're on the air in Illinois.
	Hi Art, how are you tonight?
	Just fine.
	Okay, I'm just calling because I want to talk about the paranormal for a minute.
	Sure.
	This isn't about good or evil, this is just shadow people actually.
	Okay.
	My grandmother died in 2002, in January, but the day she died, I was outside taking down Christmas decorations and Christmas lights.
	And I could see something looking at me through the living room window.
	And I saw like a black, shadowy thing.
	And I'd seen them before when I was growing up, but I didn't really talk about them because they kind of creeped me out.
	But my mom started calling me.
	She's like, Tiff, Tiff, come in here.
	I'm like, what?
	She's like, did you just see something in the window?
	She's like, I was walking out the dining room and I saw this thing.
	I said, so did I. I said, but I just figured it was one of those, you know, little things you see with your eyes, nothing big deal.
	She's like, well, You know, I've seen them before when I was growing up.
	She was telling me about what they were, shadow people.
	So, she and my grandmother, her mother, have seen these before.
	And they don't like, you know, when you're younger, they don't shed light on things for you.
	So later on that day, my sister was downstairs in the basement, and she started screaming because she saw something looking at her.
	And it was a dark, shadowy figure.
	And right when we went downstairs, and she was telling us what she looked for, my aunt, and my grandma lived upstairs, my dad's mom, My grandma just died in my house.
	Just dropped dead.
	And she had nothing wrong with her or anything.
	She didn't die of cancer or anything.
	She's about 74, 75.
	I mean, she was in great health.
	So ever since then, though, anybody that's died in my family, my mother and my sister and me, the day of their death, we see something.
	And even if it's an animal, my cat just died three months ago.
	And my mom said the same thing she saw in the morning.
	I saw one when I was coming out of my house.
	So it's just, you see these things and there's something out there.
	I don't know if it's good, I don't know if it's evil, but there's something to tell you that, you know, we're not alone out there.
	I'm with you all the way, Tiff.
	I think that animals are harbingers of things like death and for me it's been birds.
	Absolutely no question about it.
	I think, I guess different humans have different Experiences.
	I wonder if it's real or if our brain is just attaching.
	No, you know what?
	I think it's real.
	In the middle of asking that, myself, in the middle of asking that question, I realize, no, I don't think it's our brains cooking that up.
	I think it's absolutely real.
	I've experienced it myself.
	What can I say?
	On Wild Card Line 4, Chuck in Bay City, Michigan, you're on the air.
	Hello, Art.
	Hi.
	I say this to you with Father Malachi Martin in mind.
	The escalation of the worldwide social madness that you perceive, Art, is being caused by worldwide government-sanctioned mass murder, where the antagonists are the mothers of the innocent and defenseless victims.
	In comparison... I don't think we can blame this on governments.
	Well, it's government-sanctioned.
	I'm not trying to blame it on the government.
	It's just worldwide government-sanctioned mass murder.
	And the antagonists are the mothers of the innocent, defenseless victims.
	In comparison, the cumulative human... Give me an example of what you're talking about so I understand.
	It's the abortion issue.
	Oh.
	You see, in comparison, the cumulative human sacrifice of children in the Middle Ages and the ancient world combined does not even come close to matching the magnitude of child murder in modern times.
	Okay, well I have some sympathy with what you're saying.
	right of the mother to do so. What better excuse does Satan need to unleash
	boundless evil upon the world, especially when you take into
	consideration this propagation idea? This would be inverse propagation, which would
	increase the frequency of evil against those in the world who are responsible
	for the slaughter of the innocent. Okay, well I have some sympathy with what
	you're saying. It seems to me that once you've created a life, it's life.
	I don't know how you get around that.
	I just don't know, I can't figure a way around that.
	I've considered this issue, and of course it's torn society apart, the issue of abortion.
	And I think that I've pretty well settled in my mind anyway, for what then that's not worth much, but I've settled in my own mind that when you create a life, something I recently did, you've created a life.
	There's a heartbeat there.
	Erin is just at the end of her first trimester, and gosh, you can hear the heartbeat, even externally.
	How do you get away from saying that's a life?
	How do you get away?
	You just can't get away from it.
	There's just no reasonable argument that that's not a life.
	There's a little heart beating in there.
	There are little limbs and teeth and fingers and arms and legs and it's a human being and it's forming and it's in there and it's heart is beating and how do you get around that?
	I don't.
	Now I know that legally I guess they've found ways around it but I'm not at all in concert with them.
	To me it is a life.
	Simple as that.
	It is a life.
	Again in Mexico, Ted you're on the air.
	Hey, I can't agree with you more with what you just said there.
	I was just lucky enough to see the ultrasound of my own little guy not too long ago, and yeah.
	It's a life.
	There's no way around it.
	It's a life.
	You make all kinds of legal arguments and crap.
	You can spin all the fancy words you want, but you're not going to convince me otherwise.
	Which, anyway, a little bit off topic because otherwise, you know, I'm a liberal godless atheist.
	And I was tongue-in-cheek, of course, but I was just calling to interject a little bit of a healthy skepticism in.
	Been listening to you for over a decade, man.
	I'm a huge fan and you are just, you're the best.
	However, I just wanted to, I just wanted to throw out a little bit of, you know, from the peanut gallery about 2012 and Major Ed Dames.
	I just think odds are, I've got a good feeling that I'm going to be celebrating my little boy's seventh birthday in 2013 just fine.
	I think that, you know, hopefully computer technology and the Internet will get a little bit better, and we'll have a few other improvements.
	I'd sure love to see some flying cars, but I'm really not anticipating a cataclysm in 2012, and I'm not too worried about the kill shot.
	I'm not anticipating anything particular.
	Oh, no, I know you aren't.
	You're the venue and you're the man, but I'm not arguing you.
	I'm just arguing... I don't even think that Ed Dames has said anything about 2012.
	He certainly has said plenty about the Killshot.
	Oh, no, I'm sorry.
	I was conflating the two.
	Ed Dames and the Killshot and 2012.
	I was just trying to...
	Yeah, in other words, you don't think the world's about to end.
	Yeah, just to kind of, you know, counter a few prevalent notions on the show versus, yeah, vis-a-vis 2012 and Ed Dames.
	Forget 2012, sir.
	Forget 2012.
	I'd like to emphasize, I don't think Ed Dames is like a sham artist or anything.
	Forget Ed Dames.
	Yeah, forget it and forget 2012 for just a moment, but begin to look at things like no more fish in the ocean in 15 years.
	Yeah, yeah, no, no, exactly.
	Art, you know, you beat me to the punch exactly.
	I think there are many more clear and present dangers that are facing us.
	I don't think it's all, you know, rose-colored glasses is certainly not how I am viewing the future, but I think that we are doing ourselves a disservice to be worried about completely frivolous things like, you
	know, the Mayan calendar or the...
	I don't know. Yeah, there are very, very serious problems confronting us, and the sooner we look
	at them objectively and scientifically and rationally, the better. And I'll take your
	comments off the air, but thank you so much for taking my call, and I wish you the best
	with your new wife and your new baby. Thank you so much. I, too, don't attach anything...
	I'm not concerned about 2012.
	I think 2012 may come and go without incident.
	I do worry a little bit about what Ed Dames is talking about because I see the sun acting in a way it ought not be acting.
	That's worth a little bit of concern.
	I do have some faith in remote viewing's ability.
	I believe that remote viewing is real.
	I am concerned that Ed has always been in every way consistent about what he has called the kill shot or the discontinuity, whatever you want to call it.
	There might be something out there.
	But there are plenty of current things to be concerned about.
	As I said, for example, our ecological picture is pretty dim, folks.
	All the fish gone from the ocean in 50 years, all these dead spots appearing, the North Pole melting, the South Pole becoming unstable.
	The increase in the storms that we're having, the number of them and the strength of them, these are all things that are absolutely real and are worth being rather concerned about, frankly.
	First-time caller line, let's make it Jim in, well, we can't make it, it is Jim in Pennsylvania.
	Hey, Jim.
	It certainly is, and what a thrill and an honor to speak to you, Art.
	Good to have you.
	Listen, I want to give you a little bit of a different take on this.
	This wave of evil that seems to be infesting the world.
	32 years ago, I was duped into joining an, I guess you would say, an apocalyptic sect, religious cult, you know, denomination, whatever you want to call it.
	Because these people were predicting Armageddon, you know, the end of the world was going to come in 1975.
	I was raised in a very religious family and I felt that I was being handed a sacred trust.
	So I joined with these people looking to separate the sheep from the goats in hopes that I could help save as many people as possible before the world came to an end.
	Well, I lasted in this belief system for about six years before I discovered that I had basically been duped.
	I'd been a victim of a subtle form of mind control, and that's what I wanted to mention to you.
	What I see radical Islam doing is utilizing that same type of brainwashing technique to their followers.
	I'm not talking about, you know, common day Islam, I'm talking about the radical components of Islam.
	I know, I think it's very similar, of course it is.
	Yeah, see, I lived in the Caribbean for 13 years on a very small island, and down there, people used to say, oh, you've got such a horrible crime problem.
	It wasn't really any worse than any place else.
	The only difference was, living on a small island, it was like being in a small town surrounded by water.
	Everybody knew everybody else, and you not only knew the victim, you also knew the criminal.
	Sure.
	Technology today has made the entire world about the size of that little island.
	And I think what's happening, Art, in just my point of view, is that the world has become so small that it's so easy for radical Islam to find converts around the world through the decreasing in the size of the world, through the Internet, through other technologies, that they're able to broadcast this mind control technique that they're utilizing
	to get these people to go around the world and to do their bidding.
	Okay, look, I'm willing to agree with you that perhaps the radicalization
	of those of the Islamic faith is perhaps a little easier because of technology.
	Thank you.
	There are many who would say that this apparent propagation of evil, though, is not real.
	And the only reason that we're hearing about these apparent mindless crimes Is because of technology.
	Because we have instant available news.
	And this is where I wish to argue with those people.
	I don't think it's true at all.
	Sorry, I'm 61 years old.
	And I can tell you right now that when I was young, we had nowhere near, nowhere near, and I'm talking about in the United States now, we had nowhere near the number of crimes of the head shaker variety that we have now.
	Where unfortunately you read about somebody walking into a store with a gun and just starting to shoot people.
	Going to the top of a watchtower and beginning to pick people off until either they commit suicide or the police get them.
	A sniper gets them.
	Now...
	I'm reading those stories virtually every day and there's nobody that's going to convince me that a simple increase in the amount of communication accounts for the increase in the kind of mindless evil, and I'm willing to use that word, evil crimes that we're seeing now.
	Is it possible that evil is propagating?
	Not perhaps in the same way as radio and television propagating through its own medium, one we don't yet understand, but in fact, propagating.
	Buster the Rockies, Dave, you're on the air.
	Hey, how's it going, Art?
	It's good.
	Hey, how you doing down there in the Philippines, man?
	Doing okay, Dave.
	Hey, glad to hear about your little kitty, too.
	I'm a cat person myself.
	Hey, listen, Art, I got a couple for you.
	As far as the good and evil thing, okay?
	I'm kind of a Nunguian guy, you know.
	I mean, I believe in the duality of the universe, you know.
	I mean, when you get right down to it, Art, you know, it's up, down, left, right, yes, no, guilty, innocent, black, white, you know what I mean?
	You know, I mean, that's the way it is.
	You know, you can come in with gray matter, you know, or gray arguments, you know.
	And, you know, you mess around and OJ gets free, right?
	I mean, you know.
	Yes, but Dave, what I'm saying is while it's yes, no, black, white, and all the rest of it, right now it's more evil than good.
	You know why?
	And you know why?
	Because there's a balance to the universe, Art, okay?
	Now listen to this.
	Think about this a minute.
	We have so many marvels.
	We got black ones, we got white ones.
	You know, good ones, bad ones, right?
	Let's just say, you lose something good in this world, like, okay, like, let's say, you know, that good guy Steve Irwin.
	He was a great person.
	I mean, he loved animals.
	He was a good person at heart.
	Princess Di, she was great.
	You know, she was a good person.
	Mother Tricia, you could go on, right?
	You lose somebody like that.
	Somebody like that is taken out of this world.
	Art, that leaves a vacuum, man, you know, for a moment.
	And guess what?
	That enables a Black Marvel to drop right down in, okay?
	I mean, that's just my, that's just what I, you know, that's just how I feel about things, you know.
	Now, as far as why can people go, how come nowadays people are going into, you know, feel no pain about going into a nursery and self-detonating.
	Well, look at it, think about how people are now.
	How hopeless people feel.
	Think about how you can't, you know, really discipline... Dave, we're at a break point.
	We've got to hold it right there.
	How hopeless people feel, huh?
	So is it poverty?
	Is it capitalism?
	Is that the great evil that's kind of where I think it was going?
	Hopeless?
	People feel hopeless?
	I've got something to say about that when we get to it, but we've got a break right now.
	We'll be right back.
	Boy, I tell you, I get so sick of hearing about the evil capitalistic ways.
	I just, I get so fed up with it.
	I really should do some photography here for all of you so that you can understand the abject poverty here in the Philippines.
	I mean, it's beyond anything you can possibly even imagine.
	It's beyond It's just beyond what you can imagine.
	You would have to see it.
	Actually, you would have to be part of it.
	Pictures really just only convey one visual part of the message.
	It's not enough.
	The poverty here is beyond what you can dream.
	And yet, for some reason, these Philippine islands rate in happiness, in the survey, Above the U.S.
	and above many, many, many, many other countries, where you would expect people would be very happy.
	So, happiness is not tied to the almighty dollar, it's not tied to capitalism, it's not tied to anything in particular.
	There's propagation of something that's going on.
	And it doesn't have anything to do with capitalism, doesn't have anything to do with money, doesn't have anything to do with things.
	It has to do with something spiritual, something propagating, something spiritual.
	We'll be right back.
	Julie in Emerald Hills, California says, Art, is it possible that perhaps mental illness
	is propagating?
	Is violence in our movies, on television, video games, creating the evil behavior?
	How about our violent sports or the fact that we have more guns than any other nation?
	Is isolation playing a part?
	I don't know, Julie.
	If I had the answers, I guess I'd be preaching instead of asking questions.
	I have no idea.
	What you're suggesting is an interesting proposition.
	Could mental illness, or some form of it, be propagating?
	Perhaps so.
	Back to the lines, let's go to wildcard line four, and I think that would be Dan in LA.
	Hi.
	Hi Art, how are you?
	Fine.
	Evil is propagating at three major frequencies.
	The first frequency that evil is propagating at, surprisingly, is at the infinite.
	Good is infinite.
	Good, by definition, has boundaries, such as the Ten Commandments.
	And as I understand it, speaking with... How do you know this, Han?
	I've spoken to extraterrestrials and their leader, who is Satan.
	Satan is the leader of the extraterrestrials.
	So, in antiquity, when it was decided whether we should time travel or not, the good said, no, we should not go there.
	Evil said, why not, and went there.
	Well, when it was decided whether we were going to have animal-human hybrids and all types of scientific experiments with no boundaries, evil went there, and evil became more powerful than good.
	Evil is infinite.
	Now, evil is also used to administrate justice.
	So, in the last days here on Earth, evil is coming from all around the universe, the reptilians and the greys, to execute vengeance.
	Which is sometimes merciful.
	If you're going to starve to death, or die a slow death, it might be better to go quickly, and vengeance, evil is kind of the judge, jury, and executioner, and we're all going to die.
	Okay, well we'll have to hold it there, on that cheery little note.
	Yes, of course we are.
	But I thought it was always vengeance.
	Wasn't that part of what the Lord said would be His?
	I don't know.
	I think people are doing some of these crazy things.
	I believe it's all, I don't know, love.
	I mean, people are putting their love, you know, towards greed, lust, addiction, power, etc., you know.
	And their love is not, you know, going towards their children.
	And their children aren't getting the love they need.
	And they see all these people, you know, getting the love that they need.
	So they end up hating these people.
	And then they start hating themselves, I believe.
	When people, you know, can't live hating yourself and hating everybody else around you.
	So, you know, I think it just builds up and builds up and then why not just take the people, you know, you basically envy in yourself out at the end.
	That's apparently what people are doing, whether they're doing it for the reasons you stated or, and I think it's perfectly reasonable what you said, or some other reason I think is worth exploring.
	In fact, it's mandatory that we explore it.
	We've got to figure out what's going on.
	Oh, sorry.
	Well, I don't know.
	I mean, everybody's striving to get power and everything and people aren't, I mean, people aren't going to get, you know, it's getting worse and worse.
	I mean, a family, you know, built on love.
	And if there's love, everybody stays happy and, you know, and everybody stays sane.
	Nobody does nothing.
	And I don't know.
	I just believe love is deteriorating in this world.
	That's a simplification, but I think you're right on the money.
	I think he's right on the money.
	I think the antithesis of all of this is love and maybe there just is not as much love as there used to be.
	Maybe a lot of the unloved, the neglected, the TV children of the world, maybe we're just reaping the harvest of what we planted some years ago.
	I don't know.
	It certainly is an interesting topic, though, isn't it?
	East of the Rockies, Daryl, you're on the air.
	I'd like to say, first of all, good morning, because I'm from New York, and our time zone difference.
	Okay, and I was recently, about a month ago, I was listening to a talk show host that was affiliated with you years ago, whom always gives you kudos, and on her show, she had a guest, a caller that called in And claimed many things about the government.
	And one of the things he claimed, that the government can control weather.
	And it made me very curious.
	Well, if that's true, I'm very angry at them.
	We've had a typhoon every week here lately, and so I'm angry at them.
	Okay, but it made me very curious.
	It made me go into in the areas of, which I can't get my area because I'm in a very Christian area.
	I can't get a hold of, like, witches, warlocks, and wickers.
	I would like to have their views on if the government can control this.
	Do they feel that they have equipment that can do this?
	Or do they have people that can actually control weather?
	I don't think so.
	And Daryl, to be honest with you, I really don't think the government, nor anybody else, can control weather.
	Now, I say that with some margin of error.
	The Russians have made claims about being able to control this or that.
	I don't know.
	I kind of doubt it.
	Because it's really been getting bad.
	It's been getting considerably worse, hasn't it?
	The storms have been getting more in number, more in severity.
	So, if they are controlling the weather, then they're either doing a lousy job of it, or they're intentionally screwing things up.
	First time caller line, Rob from Clearwater, Florida.
	Hey Art, it's an honor speaking to you.
	Thank you for having me on the show.
	A subject that I've been fascinated with over the years, and I believe you or George have
	done shows on it before, and I was wondering if you might possibly in the not-too-distant
	future do another show on the Philadelphia experiment.
	Bye.
	Oh yes, of course.
	I did the original interview with Al Belick and I've done quite a number of shows on it, which are there for the listening.
	I'm not sure that, unless we had another, for example, witness or somebody who participated in the experiment, that it would be worthy of doing another show.
	We'd have to have somebody who was part of it or knew something that we have not yet heard about it.
	But it was certainly fascinating and something, something really did go on.
	I've read quite a bit about it, and I'm convinced that something did go on as well.
	Are there any actual eyewitness accounts to the crew members that became meshed in the metal of the destroyer of the ship?
	That's very controversial.
	Rob, you know, other than Al Belick, who certainly claimed to be a witness, I don't know who else we could get, but let's sort of put a punctuation on what he said.
	If there are any other witnesses still alive who can talk about the Philadelphia Experiment or who were witness to some of the things that happened, I certainly would like to talk to you.
	Off to Marianne in Denver.
	Hi Art.
	Hi.
	I think it's the soul that you're trying to put your finger on.
	If we don't edify the soul, then the soul gets very sick and we have
	our own individual souls that can be sick, but our countries and our nations have a soul
	too.
	So what we do to edify our soul is what the state of our soul will be in.
	So if people are edifying themselves with pornography and gambling and what have you,
	then they'll have a very sick soul.
	There's always been evil in the world.
	Look at the Nazis.
	But even though we didn't agree with it, they had some goal.
	They wanted to be the masters of the world, the master race.
	So, wrong as the thinking was, at least they had some sort of motive that if you couldn't agree with, you could understand.
	They wanted to rule the world.
	The things that we have going on with people just saying to themselves, well, I'm just going to go kill as many people as I can before I kill myself or the police kill me.
	And doing this on a regular basis, something is going radically wrong.
	Maybe it's the soul.
	Right.
	And prayer is what people can do in the sacraments, in the sacramentals, like the brown scapular and the miraculous medal.
	Those things are Yes, but Marianne, these things are a million miles away from the people that are doing these things, Marianne.
	Well, it does require us to pray for them.
	That is why we believe in redemptive suffering.
	My suffering, like your mass consciousness shows, also speaks to that.
	If I am willing to take on my suffering for the sake of someone else's soul, then I can offer that up, and that is part of the redemptive suffering of salvation, the work of salvation.
	Okay, well maybe, Marianne, maybe that's how we propagate the opposite of evil.
	It may be that prayer, and what Marianne was talking about, is the way you propagate the opposite, or counter it.
	I don't know.
	The reason we may be seeing more of all of this is that one is propagating more than the other.
	I don't know.
	You know, I'm sort of tossing ideas around myself.
	I don't know, I don't want to come off as knowing or thinking I know more than anybody else does about all of this.
	Wildcard Line 4, Roz in Minnesota.
	Hey Eric, you have this evil propagating thing.
	It seems like, have you noticed like things come in waves?
	Remember all those postal shootings?
	Yes.
	The tourists in Florida, you know, just in the... You're exactly right, they come in waves, yes.
	But what I've been noting is that we're having more waves than we used to.
	Yeah, well, it seems like there's a lot less love and understanding.
	It's easier to hate than it is to figure out, to try to get to know each other.
	And, you know, I don't know, it is really crazy though.
	And we have a right, it seems like we all think we have a right to do whatever we want.
	Like that abortion thing you were talking about?
	How many birth controls are there?
	You know, but we're using abortion as a birth control.
	And that's, you gotta take responsibility.
	You know, get on a birth control.
	Don't kill innocents, you know.
	Well Roz, we're justifying this by legally saying that something is not alive.
	Now, I've never been an avid anti-abortionist, but I think I am.
	I mean, clearly, if you listen to a little heart beating, how can you say that's not a life?
	How can you possibly say that is not a life?
	I guess you can make legal arguments for just about anything in the world.
	But I think anybody before buying that legal argument ought to be required to listen to the beating of a little heart.
	Ease to the Rockies.
	Lois in Wisconsin, you're on the air.
	Hi, Ars.
	Hi.
	I have a question.
	Now, I don't remember if it was your show or George's, but somebody was talking about RH blood, RH negative.
	Do you know what that means?
	Something like you don't have any monkey blood in your genes or whatever?
	I think we all have monkey DNA, you know, if the evolutionists are right.
	Yeah, well, it must have been on George's show, because I heard somebody say something about that it meant you were a hybrid or something.
	Okay, hadn't heard that.
	Yeah, well, anyway, but I know I didn't come on a spaceship, but anyway, thank you, Art.
	Oh, you're very welcome.
	And have a good night.
	That's a new one on me.
	Hmm.
	Monkey blood, huh?
	I know we all have a little monkey DNA.
	Probably.
	Jason in Portland, Oregon.
	You're on the air.
	Hello, Art.
	It's an honor to speak with you.
	I'm a little bit nervous tonight.
	Well, just take a deep breath and plow ahead.
	Okay.
	I wanted to talk to you about what Ed Dames was talking about.
	And as he was speaking, it just reminded me of this scientist that I heard, and I can't remember if it was on your show or on TV, and he was talking about a theory, and I don't know how prevalent it is, but I think it's what Ed Dames was referring to about this cycle.
	He called it like an 11,500-year cycle.
	The easiest way I can explain it, the way the scientist was explaining it, would be visually.
	So if you had a piece of paper and a pencil and you put it down horizontally in front of you, draw a line, you know, horizontal across, what we're looking at is the galaxy from the side.
	So you've got a spiral galaxy that's considered, you know, thin like a wafer.
	So you've got the middle line, then draw a line, say, 2-3 inches above and 2-3 inches below.
	The lines above and below are the edge.
	Those are the edge of the galaxy.
	Now, right across the middle, you can kind of shade that line in, you know, to make it thick.
	A nice thick line.
	That's the exact middle of a spiral galaxy.
	It's the densest area.
	Yeah, I suppose if you were looking at it from the edge, you would see that.
	Exactly.
	The most junk right in the middle.
	Stars, debris, everything.
	So, the theory goes that the sun, as it's spinning around the spiral, is not spinning around on a perfect horizontal plane.
	It's moving around, but it's moving around, you could kind of think of a, oh, I was just thinking of a carousel, where the horses are going up and down, as they're also going around the big circle.
	I've got it.
	So, if you draw like a sine wave, you know, going up Through the middle of that line, approaching the upper edge, back down through the middle.
	I've got it.
	Now the scientist I heard explained it as about a 10,000 year cycle, but he said we're about 5 to 7 years, and it struck me, you know, because everybody talks about the Mayan calendar, he said we're about 5 to 7 years by, however he was calculating this, going towards the densest, most midpoint of that center line.
	And that we go through it about every 10,000 years.
	Or you could even think of that as the zero crossing point.
	Sure.
	Sure.
	And it could be that cyclically something occurs at that point.
	I don't know.
	It's as good a theory as any, as good a theory as I've heard.
	Quickly, first time caller line from Montreal, Francis.
	Yes, hi Art.
	It's got to be real quick, we're at the end of the program already.
	About the cyclical time phenomenon, there's a time gap in between, at the end of a cycle, at the beginning of the other cycle, where it seems like parallel timelines come in contact, and we feel, right now, other timelines where there was a big catastrophe, and that's the reason why people are afraid, and fear brings out evil in people.
	Some people go under.
	They believe that we will be destroyed.
	They feel, their instinct tells them that we're going to be destroyed.
	Others think that maybe... And you think we're just feeling what came from a prior destruction?
	Well, that's entirely possible and as good an answer as anybody has.
	Listen, ladies and gentlemen.
	That's it.
	That's all the time we've got.
	I appreciate being able to fill in for George with open lines.
	It's been fascinating.
	Tomorrow night, we will launch the normal weekend.
	So, from Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell.

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