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Dec. 8, 2006 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Open Lines - Propagation of Evil - Ed Dames - Killshot Update

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the Southeast Asian capital city of the Philippine Islands, Manila.
		I wish you good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whatever the case may be, wherever you are, in whatever time zone you reside.
		We cover every single one of them with this program, Coast to Coast, literally Continent to Continent AM.
		How you doing, everybody?
		I'm Art Bell.
		It is my honor and my privilege to be filling in this night for George Norrie, getting a very deserved day off.
		I don't know what he's doing.
		Probably a book signing or some such.
		At any rate, it's my pleasure to be here and my pleasure to guide you through the weekend.
		Now, we're going to begin with an hour of something a little different, and then we'll go to open lines.
		The reason we're having something a little different in the first, well, let me get a couple things out of the way.
		First of all, the very latest photograph on my arts webcam site is really a cute one.
		That is of Dolly completely consumed with Abydos.
		They are such good friends.
		And now finally, after a couple of weeks, Dolly has even, well, I guess I should say that Yeti has made friends with Dolly.
		But there was a lot of hatred going on there for a couple of weeks.
		But finally, they are good buddies.
		And, of course, Abby and Dolly are fast friends.
		And they run around here like crazy kids attacking each other.
		All in play, though, all in good play.
		And I just happened to catch a very cool moment when Dolly, you know, she's small.
		She's a Philippine cat, and she's small, and she's just as cute as can be and loves me to death.
		And she got on top of, well, you can see, arts webcam up there.
		Now, it's the Typhoon of the Week Club, ladies and gentlemen.
		This one is Typhoon Utor, I guess, U-T-O-R, Typhoon Utor.
		Seniang, I guess, the Chinese version.
		Call it what you will.
		It is now clobbering the Visayas region, which is to the south, just to the south of us.
		Thank you, Uttor, for missing us.
		And sorry for the people.
		It was just a tropical storm.
		It's now upgraded to a category one and raging across Visayas.
		They may be able to get a graphic up for you, those of you who have logged the storm tracker for over here.
		I mean, it has been amazing this year.
		Just unbelievable.
		It literally, literally has been the typhoon of the week.
		Unbelievable.
		So we may get that up for you to see.
		I sent it off to Lex, and he may be able to get it up there for you.
		And it's not the only storm raging away.
		My God, our sun, what is going on with our sun?
		Now, for those of you who don't follow the sun, it goes in 11 or 22-year cycles, depending on how you look at it.
		We hams think of 11-year cycles.
		And we are at what's called a solar minimum right now, which means there should be almost nothing going on on the sun.
		But all of a sudden, oh my God, we have a radiation storm underway, a big one.
		Based on the energy and the number of solar protons streaming past Earth right now, NOAA is ranking the storm as a category S3.
		Not good.
		Satellites may experience single-event upsets.
		Astronauts should practice radiation avoidance.
		Now, what that means for astronauts is crawl into something lead-lined or whatever, I don't know, but not good.
		The rush of protons may be a sign of an approaching CME, coronal mass ejection.
		Protons are accelerated in shock waves at the leading edge of CMEs.
		So, when the proton count rises, we can guess that a CME is on its way.
		Northern skywatchers should remain alert for auroras, which could flare up when a CME arrives, perhaps even down to southern latitudes if it's big enough.
		Radio astronomer Thomas Ashcroft knew something was up when a loud roar came out of a loudspeaker on his 22-megahertz shortwave receiver in New Mexico.
		Sunspot 930 had exploded again.
		The X6 class flare sent shockwaves billowing through the sun's atmosphere, producing, among other things, a Type 2 solar radio burst.
		And you can actually record these things and play them back.
		I've had actually a couple of recordings sent to me of recent solar explosions.
		These just are monsters, and they should not be here at this time in the solar cycle.
		Something is really up.
		Therefore, the world's foremost remote viewing teacher, Edward A. Dames, Major U.S. Army retired, a decorated military intelligence officer, and original member of the U.S. Army Prototype Remote Viewing Training Program is here tonight.
		Ed served as the Training and Operations Officer for the Defense Intelligence Agency Psychic Intelligence Collection Unit.
		Currently is serving as Executive Director for the Matrix Intelligence Agency, a private consulting group.
	The technical consultant for the feature film Suspect Zero, a Tom Cruise Paula Wagner production, hell of a movie.
	Ed coached Sir Ben Kingsley, and of course he played the role of an FBI remote viewing instructor in the movie as well.
	So coming up in a moment, he is, after all, the solar flare guy, the kill shot guy.
	Maybe Ed can explain why the sun is going crazy.
	Major Ed James, welcome back to the program.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Eric.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you can explain why our sun is.
		Well, it should be kind of like a hibernating bear right now, Ed.
		Instead, it's like a roaring lion.
		What's up with the sun?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately, I can help you out with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought perhaps you might.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		By the way, that first flare was an X9, just short of a mega flare that Active Region 930 produced.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The second one was an X6, just your regular X-Class flare.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything in the X-Class is gigantic.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It is, especially if it's aimed our way.
		Those two weren't precisely aimed our way, but that will change quickly.
		However, the ACE spacecraft is continuing to experience problems.
		I think that the instrumentation was fried when the X-9 occurred.
		We'll see if it comes back up or not.
		And the future, as you can probably surmise, flares of that nature aimed at us will shut down most of the instruments aboard most of the satellites and kill our telecommunications capabilities in space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if something really, of course, we have a satellite out there to warn us when some of these flares are coming, Ed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if something tremendous occurs, they can actually do a preventative shutdown of the systems until the particles pass.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		They do a number of things.
		They turn 180 degrees so that the solar panels are not at 90 degrees to the protons and X-rays, and then they do what you just said as well.
		But they can do a preventative shutdown.
		The astronauts aboard the ISS cannot.
		So that's kind of like being in a microwave if things get too hot.
		And they will get hot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, you have talked for a long time about the kill shot, precursors to the kill shot.
		I recall that you declared, in fact, we had a precursor to the kill shot.
		So obviously everybody's going to be very concerned that this kind of unusual activity might be a precursor to the kill shot.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Actually, the kill shot, a series of very strong solar flares that eventually bring protons down to the deck, down through Earth's atmosphere, into the troposphere and stratosphere, heating the atmosphere up and causing a lot of damage.
		That's what I mean by kill shot.
		But what we're experiencing now is the front end of this series of events.
		What I did not know in the past was I never looked at what caused the kill shot.
		I just assumed that the sun as an autonomous entity decided to do what it did.
		But what it's doing now, what it's beginning to do, what is essentially happening is that we're experiencing the beginning of a very, very long cycle, not the 11 to 22 year solar cycles, but probably an 11,500 year cycle that happens.
		And I thought that this cycle was about the sun, but apparently it is not.
		And that is a very interesting story.
		So something is actually instigating this behavior on the part of the sun that is outside of the solar system.
		This was a big discovery to me, but I did not derive that information from remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, wait a minute.
		Something outside the solar system, that's interesting because I have long sort of become a believer.
		I've had a lot of guests on who have said, look, comets that pass, for example, cause activity on the sun, Ed.
		Comets that come fairly close to the sun and even crash into the sun can really cause activity, or even just passing near it can cause activity.
		But now you're saying something actually outside the solar system can cause disruptions.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It isn't just that something wicked this way comes.
		It isn't as simple as that.
		I'll get into what it is in a minute, but let me give you some background, if I may.
		My colleague, Brent Miller, was very interested to see if any science, there's any hard science data that supported our remote viewing, remote viewing over the last 15 years that pointed toward this event, which I originally called a discontinuity, discontinuity in human evolution and life on Earth, because remote viewers, professional remote viewers, could not see, so to speak, beyond this point.
		We couldn't gather any information beyond this particular point in time, a point that 15 years ago was unresolved.
		Later on, we backed up to look to see what was happening just prior to this discontinuity, and I hypothesize that what was happening was the discontinuity itself.
		That is what I've called in the last 10 years on your show the kill shot.
		It is not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have never put together the kill shot and what you've called the discontinuity, which was a barrier past which you could not see, right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		But my colleague has done that for me.
		He went out, you know, with my blessings.
		Actually, I didn't give him my blessings.
		He just felt that he needed to gather a team of scientists to see, to put the information that we had on their table to see if they could make heads or tails out of what is going on.
		And they did.
		Brent calls that the Horizon project.
		Anyway, because I'm the boss, and like my evil twin, Dr. Evil, I'm the boss need the info.
		I asked Brent after Active Region 930 exploded this week to say, okay, what did you get in this Horizon project?
		Is there something going on?
		He says, oh, yes.
		Do you want the facts?
		I said, yes, I would like that very much.
		What do you have on the table here?
		And I'll get into just the raw facts first, just the statistics, if I may.
		But these are in layman's terms, and they're very interesting.
		Earthquakes.
		Okay, just bear with me just for a moment because it's apropos to the subject at hand.
		Earthquake records go back to about 1850.
		Earth has been fairly stable with a couple of 5.5 or greater a year, maybe a month, all the way through 1950.
		There were about two to four large earthquakes worldwide per decade, big ones.
		Then in the 1960s, there were 13 major earthquakes.
		In the 1970s, that decade, 51.
		In the 1980s, 86.
		In the 1990s, that decade, 150, actually more than 150.
		And in the first six years of this decade, we've already had over 150 major earthquakes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those are figures I'd never heard before, Ed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, Brand's a bit, you know, a science guy.
		He likes stats and facts and figures.
		And all of a sudden, this is becoming in your face to me.
		But there's more.
		There's the smaller earthquakes, that's 4.0 on the Richter scale or more, the smaller ones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Three months ago, we had 305 earthquakes worldwide of that magnitude.
		Two months ago in October, 335.
		Last month, 436.
		And in the last 30 days, 494, which is 60 more in the first week of December than in the first week of November.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's impressive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not as dramatic and impressive to me as something that follows decades, but it is perhaps when put together with the decades of information worrisome.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		What the scientists are saying is that this is not subsiding.
		It's actually so drastic as it may be approaching an exponential curve that this, well, what the remote viewing data is showing is that the Earth's core is heating up.
		The sunspot activity, I thought, was causing the Earth's core to heat up, producing warmer weather, tornadoes in London Town, those kinds of things.
		As your book mentioned, the coming global superstorm, that kind of stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you heard about a tornado in Great Britain.
unidentified		I just was blown away.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Earth's core is changing very fast, and I had attributed this because of the damage that the killshot does globally.
		I mean, it's not just turning Earth into a rotisserie.
		It's shake and bake earthquakes and evaporation of water quickly, those kind of things in the next few years.
		I anticipate that volcanism will follow because you've got so much seismic activity and the Earth's core is heating up that we're probably going to see magma being pushed up to the surface worldwide as well, too.
		What I didn't know was what was causing all of this.
		And I assume that it was just our sun, El Sol.
		But it is something that is cosmic in nature, and it's a cosmic cycle, not a geophysical cycle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I have a question for you, Ed, and I'm really serious about this.
		Now, everybody, of course, in North America, in the Americas generally, probably is just going, oh, yawn, because we didn't have any hurricanes this year.
		But, Ed, I'm telling you, buddy, it's been the typhoon of the week, and that's not an exaggeration.
		Literally, Ed, every single week we've had a typhoon over here.
		That's just, you know, I've asked around.
		This is my first year here in the Philippines, so I thought maybe it's normal.
		God help me if it's normal.
		I've begun to ask people, and no, it's not at all normal.
		They get typhoons here, but Ed, they don't have them every week.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, we're having weather chaos is essentially not on the horizon.
		It's here, too.
		Ten years ago on your show, I said a point's going to be reached in the not-too-distant future where mankind will not be able to raise crops the way they used to because the vicissitudes of the weather will preclude us doing that.
		We'll have to put crops in a sealed biosphere in order to eat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Ed, the problem is that the systems compound upon each other.
		Now, for example, we had a typhoon a couple of weeks ago, as you know, a big one.
		A thousand people plus died here in the Philippines.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm aware of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it was compounded because of the volcano, the Mayan volcano.
		There was so much rain that they had terrible, horrible mudslides that just buried villages here, literally buried them and beyond the rooftops.
		I mean, it was almost like what happened in Italy and Sicily.
		I mean, it's just unbelievable.
		So these systems are working with and against each other.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, last decade on your show, I said that scientists, meteorologists are not aware of the flux, the linkage between our sun and Earth's weather.
		We keep looking at the atmosphere alone, and what they're not aware of is the influence of the Earth's core on the Earth's atmosphere.
		And that's real as well, too.
		Something is happening internally in the Earth, and yes, it is linked to our Sun, but what I did not know until the Horizon Project pointed this out to me was that it's something beyond our solar system, which is in fact affecting our Sun as well.
		And I was just focused on the Sun, too, because I saw the damage that was occurring.
		I was thinking that by getting the word on the streets, I could get people to think and perhaps save some lives.
		Saving lives meaning you need to be in a place where there's going to be fresh water and those kinds of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's hard for me to grasp, and maybe you're going to be able to explain after the break, how something outside our solar system, I mean, I can understand something, the distances are so vast that gravitational poles and so forth, something inside our solar system, that I can understand affecting us or affecting Our sun in some way, but something outside would be so far away that any gravitational influence would almost be nil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So is there going to be a way you can explain to me how something so far away can do this?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, to a certain degree.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I can't be as specific as the scientists did that Mr. Miller gathered up as a team, but I think I can put it in laypersons' terms, and I'm a lay person when it comes to this kind of, when it comes to the thermodynamics of the universe, I think I can get the message across.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, as far as the sun is concerned, Ed, your statement is that this is the beginning of the kill shot cycle itself?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Correct, correct.
		You're going to see a lot more of these very angry, nasty, active solar regions.
		Big flares.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if this is what we're getting at a solar minimum, I'm horrified to imagine as we approach...
		You just put a timeline on it then.
		Oh, God.
		All right, ladies and gentlemen, Major Ed Dames is my guest, and he'll be back to tell us what it is outside our solar system that might be prompting all this.
		I'm Art Bell.
		You are, and I've got Ed Dames here.
		And one thing, no matter what you say about Major Ed Dames, and many of you say many things, you know, I sit here looking at the Fast Blast, and Major Ed Dames is clearly the most loved and hated guest we have, both emotions very strongly.
		One thing you have to say, and I have to admit about Ed is that everything that Ed has said has been consistent.
		And by that I mean the discontinuity, the solar killshot, all the rest of it.
		He's said it again and again and again over the years.
		He has never deviated from what he said is going to happen.
		And when we look at what's going on on Earth right now, if you just listen to the statistics he gave regarding earthquakes over the last decades, the number of them, both large and small, and what's going on on the sun, I suppose you may still doubt what Ed has said, but your ears should, I don't know, sort of sharpen up a little bit with events that are going on in the world right now.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Ed Dames right back.
		Once again, Major Ed James.
		All right, Ed.
		I'm a believer, certainly, in the statistics you laid down for us.
		Let's now move on to what in the world outside of our own solar system could be producing the kind of effects we're seeing, the sun, the earthquakes, what is it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Apparently, gravity waves are doing it.
		Gravity is changing.
		The gravity waves passing through the solar system are playing schnooker with a lot of the celestial bodies.
		The large ones just move around and shake, and the small ones get knocked around, the comets and other things outside of orbits.
		Orbits change, chaos reigns supreme.
		And that's going to pick up and intensify in the next few years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much so?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		In a way, it gives new meaning to the term discontinuity.
		And sometimes you don't want to see anymore.
		Let me put it subjectively.
		It's very hard for me to digest what the scientists have come up with in terms of why this is happening.
		Their science is solid, but nevertheless, I've never felt more like an ant before.
		Just as small as small it can be after I've seen what their conclusions are.
		It isn't that something is coming.
		It's that our solar system is approaching something.
		And that something produces a tremendous amount of gravity goes off the charts in terms of intensity.
		Gravity waves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
		I've interviewed a number of physicists lately, theoretical physicists and so on, very interesting chaps, who talk about dark matter.
		And while we can't detect, that's the wrong word.
		We can't identify and put our fingers on this dark matter, we can measure its gravitational influence.
		So there's dark matter out there, then there are black holes out there.
		I wonder if we could, if our solar system is approaching something of that magnitude.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how to explain what this is.
		It's Great Nothing or whatever you want to call it.
		But it does appear to have about a, I think, and this is based upon my analysis of all the remote viewing data of past civilizations, those kind of things, approximately an 11,500-year cycle.
		This isn't a solar cycle.
		It's a cosmic cycle.
		And I mean, isn't it very strange that history suddenly starts about 9,500 years ago with the Sumerians and a few others, and then all of a sudden we have writing and mathematics and those kinds of things, architecture, pretty good architecture too, and some science.
		But what happened before 9,500?
		Well, it probably took 2,000 years to recover from this last cycle, from the end of the last cycle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a lot of the very credible physicists and theoretical physicists and even the SETI people have all said that one of the reasons we might not have detected another civilization is because there may be a cyclic event that occurs with all emerging civilizations.
		They appear, they become intelligent, they get to a certain stage, and then something wipes them out.
		Either they wipe themselves out or some event comes along and wipes them out.
		And that, my friend, is why we haven't essentially heard anybody ringing our doorbell yet.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know that the Starman project that I have, which is my pet, there really is a higher intelligence out there that's been here watching us.
		They could very well be our progenitors for all that I know.
		Maybe I'll find out, maybe I won't.
		But sticking my neck out really far now, which I'm so want to do, we've done some research into civilizations and to the last time this occurred on Earth.
		And interestingly, folks leave en masse.
		I'm not saying this is the rapture or anything else like that, but there is a system out there that physically takes a whole, that physically took the last time, and I don't know how many times before, how many places before, that physically took human beings away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Took human beings away.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		A lot before this particular event happened, just prior to it happening, too.
		And I think that's where this idea in the minds of some Christians of the rapture, I think that's where it comes from, that idea too.
		But these are real physical, I don't want to say spaceships, but they're physical things, and they vacuum up a whole bunch of people.
		I don't know if that's going to happen next time, but it did happen before.
unidentified		When you say before, you refer to the last civilization.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		In remote viewing, we have a difficult time at judging time, so I'm going to have to surmise that it was just prior to that last 11,500-year cycle, which I thought was the big solar cycle.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is, but it's a cosmic cycle that's driving the sun to outdo itself and to drive protons down to the earth and drive the land to become fallow for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you done any hard recent work on where we're going with this?
		In other words, is this going to be bad now from the sun?
		And is it going to get a lot worse before it gets better?
		Or are there going to be brief intervals where things are okay?
		In other words, I guess I'm asking you to give a kind of a forecast.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It will start slowly.
		You'll have on and offs where people say, whew, boy, it's over, and then it will happen again, and it will increase in frequency and then become exponential.
		That I know.
		A time period.
		Miller's got some good facts, my colleague, in his Horizon project series, but I actually haven't seen that yet.
		He says he's got some stats there with actual timelines.
		I've got a link to his work on my website, learnrv.com.
		I think there's a link to my website on Coast to Coast 2 that your webmaster put up.
		So he and his team of scientists are in a better position because they've got the actual stats and the facts.
		All I've got is the second site.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps I should have them as a guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would they be guest worthy?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		They're pretty prominent folks, too, I think.
		Yeah, I think that would be a good idea.
		That would be a good compliment, I think, to the information I've been pumping out on your show for the last decade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Ed, you know my producer.
		Would you please have a talk with her and see if that can be arranged?
		We've really got to get to the bottom of this before it gets to us.
		Are there going to be the end of humanity type deal in the core world?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		It's the end of most of us.
		There'll be some survivors and the reseed.
		I mean, you don't, the land goes fallow, but you always have some seeds and you replant at some juncture.
		It seems to be that kind of thing, yes.
		But the next time around, we learned this as a remote viewing military team tangentially and as doing some contract work for Lawrence Rockefeller on the ozone, projected ozone problem.
		Tangentially, we found that there is no solution to the ozone problem, but at a certain point when the atmosphere degrades drastically and Earth is very barren, there is another race here, another humanoid race.
		I think it is the ancestors of the people that were taken last time, if you get the gist, sort of a self-help program.
		Because you don't want the Ferengi or somebody else coming back that we're just going to run from or try to shoot.
		There's any ammo left that we haven't used on ourselves.
		You're going to want somebody that looks like us, so we don't bolt and run.
		They're back to help us rebuild.
		That, as remote viewers, we stand by.
		There is another race here.
		And apparently, when I say another race, they're from another place, but we appear to be their progenitors.
		So they started here, and they're just coming home to help out that kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now that you know this much about what's happening, are your plans now to bore in with a team and get us some details on as best you can get timelines and that sort of thing?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
		The scientists already have those kind of things.
		I'm going to go with a winning team.
		I want contact.
		I want contact.
		Because I think that the idea of, as I've mentioned before a number of times on your show, my idea is to start rebuilding now.
		Because I know, I feel strongly, heart of hearts, that we're going down and there's nothing that's going to stop us from doing so.
		This is the end of the cycle, and it's bigger than me, and all of us.
		I would like to sit on the idea of rebuilding and starting to rebuild now.
		The way to do that is not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They want to know about safe places.
		Would there be places safer than others?
		And if so, where would those be?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		As far as the sun goes, as far as the kill shot goes, and I've talked about this before, places that have a lot of fresh water, remember, fresh water is going to dry up very, very quickly over the next few years, very quickly.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Many, many people will die from that alone, not to mention not having crops because there's no water for the crops.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about aquifers, Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Aquifers will change because when an earthquake happens, lots of earthquake happens, as you might know, the flow of aquifers change.
		Some disappear and pop up another place.
		Those can't be dependent upon.
		What can be dependent upon are large bodies of fresh water, such as around, as I've said before, Whitefish, Montana, places like that.
		That's critical, fresh water.
		Or Being around glaciers, big glaciers that aren't already melting, because when they do melt, you'll still have plenty of fresh water.
		Those are critical things.
		Water is going to be hyper-critical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What are you doing about this in your own life?
		I mean, last time I heard, you were headed off to Ukraine, yes.
		What's your schedule on that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The echo that you hear is my empty apartment.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm packing up now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this is it, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You leave shortly?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I leave, yeah, I'm already spending half my time there.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I just got back last week going again a week and a half from now, so I'm virtually there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe you can tell me your secret for taking plane trips like that and not ending up with the flu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you do it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, unfortunately, I do end up with a flu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, I shouldn't laugh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought there was no secret to that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, I do.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Apparently, there is.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		You're in a contained airspace, and you know the routine.
unidentified		I do.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I just take good stuff.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I actually have to to stay healthy, so I keep myself healthy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Do you have then, what advice would you give to people?
		Pray?
		I mean, what else is there?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		What advice?
		I am still non-plussed about the findings that this project had.
		I mean, I was just focused on the sun and ducking and covering there, but there is no escape from this cosmic cycle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, Ed.
		What you've told us tonight about something outside the solar system, gravitational waves is what you mentioned, that we're entering an area, moving toward an area, or it's moving toward us, I suppose it's hard to tell, of increased gravity waves that are affecting everything, including the core of the Earth, which is heating, the Sun, which is erupting, earthquakes, and all the rest of it.
		And this is going to do nothing but get more and more severe as time goes on.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do they, even the scientists that you speak with, do they have any idea at all about the nature of what's moving toward us or we're moving towards?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they do.
unidentified		Yes, they do.
unidentified		Well, please.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I only have some tangential information about it.
		I'll construe it the wrong way if I talk about it.
		It's something about I hope this is right.
		I should check with Brent Miller, my colleague, and I think it has something to do with the galactic plane, but I don't know, Art.
unidentified		I'm not sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't this something, Ed, that you should make an immediate remote viewing project to try and narrow down or see what they're seeing?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, no, because it was the other way around.
		They were trying to narrow down what I'm seeing and what my team has been seeing over the years.
		They put together the science behind the remote viewing.
		Right now, all I'm interested in is contact in terms of my own work and that contact.
		And that's happening now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll be able to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is the only thing you're interested in, contact?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I want, because there's no escape from this cycle here.
		I want to see there's value in sitting down, to use the term loosely, with a higher intelligence, the one that's already been here watching us.
		I think there's some merit, minimally, to connecting with a higher intelligence and achieving contact.
		whether it's ultra-terrestrial or extraterrestrial or whatever, then this, as I've mentioned, is the intelligence behind that event in Zimbabwe in 1994 where the schoolchildren were taken aside, that kind of thing.
		Well, we followed that back, and now there's a contact point in the American Southwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the American Southwest?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		if I'm getting this right then, you want contact and you apparently feel that intervention is the only way you're going to live.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I was looking for intervention on a global scale, but I don't think that's going to happen.
		What I think will happen is essentially a description of what this pickup from particular rallying points around the globe is going to consist of.
		In other words, if we can decompress people with the idea that, hey, certain folks are going to leave, and this is how it's going to go down, and this is the agency that's doing it, to work on that idea, I mean, that's what will in fact happen in terms of contact, I don't know.
		But my hope is that escape, exodus, essentially, and Exodus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Look, you're going to be on your way to Ukraine shortly.
		This is obviously a very hot time with all of this going on.
		Will your research, number one, continue when you get to Ukraine?
		Number two, am I going to be able to still get you on the air and get the latest reports from you about what's going on and happening?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		You can get me on the air just about any time.
		I have to be discreet and circumspect about the area and the contact there.
		I told you I'm probably looking at somebody like James Cameron actually filming the event because I'm not credible enough in terms of being a wildcard out there.
		People like Cameron are.
		I mean, they've got a lot of respect, and they're good filmmakers, and they're believable.
		I have that stigma attached to me, the mystique of intelligence, and that never will go away.
		You need somebody out there that can report this to a wide number of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anybody who's ever been in secret government programs does have that stigma.
		And I can tell just from what I read here on the FastBlast, it's funny, what people will say behind your back, Ed, versus what they will say to you in person.
		I open the lines and it's, oh, hi, Ed, how you doing?
		But the computer FastBlasts I get are saying, oh, get that jerk off the air, that kind of thing.
		You know, the angry ones, they'll never have the guts to say that to you.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So it's not, you know, it's all rock and roll to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's kept you on the air all this time is your consistency, the consistency in what you say, and now, of course, events that are manifesting right in front of our eyes.
		Ed, we'll talk to you from Ukraine.
		Buddy, thank you for being on the air tonight at the last moment.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Always a pleasure.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Best to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Ed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell.
		All right, everybody.
		Really going to be open lines.
		Anything you want to talk about is fair game?
		It's a Friday night, Saturday morning, traditionally open lines, and that'll be coming right up.
		Let's look very quickly at the news.
		Let's see.
		In Chicago, look at this mess.
		A gunman carried a cache of weapons past security in a giant envelope Friday afternoon, chained a law office's doors closed, then fatally shot three people before a police sniper killed him as he held a hostage at gunpoint, authorities said.
		Officers entered through another door in the U-shaped office, and a SWAT officer shot the gunman from about 45 yards away.
		My God, what's going on?
		Or this, another one, a Muslim convert who talked about his desire to wage jihad against civilians was charged Friday in a plot to set off hand grenades at a shopping mall at the height of the Christmas rush.
		Investigators said Derek Sharif, 22, an American citizen from Rotford, was acting alone, never actually obtained the grenades.
		He was arrested Wednesday when he met with an undercover agent in a parking lot to trade a set of stereo speakers for four hand grenades and a gun.
		Good God, folks, what's going on anyway?
		What's in heads out there that people these days are willing to not only give up their own life, but give up their own life to take others in random acts of idiotic violence?
		What in God's name is going on?
		Republican lawmakers and aides failed for a decade to protect male pages from sexual come-ons by former Republican Mark Foley once described as a ticking time bomb.
		But they broke no rules and should not be punished, according to the House Ethics Committee.
		Boy, oh boy.
		Fire at Moscow Hospital kills 42.
		A fire broke out in a woman's ward of a Moscow drug treatment hospital early Saturday.
		42 died.
		At least, awful as that is, it's an accident.
		These things where people are just suddenly deciding to give up their own lives in an effort to kill others, and it usually works because if you're willing to give up your own life to kill others, there's not a whole hell of a lot that can be done to stop you, as we have found out very painfully over the last few years in America.
		In what was likely her final legislative act in Congress, outgoing Republican Georgia Republican Cynthia McKinney produced a Bill Friday to impeach our president, President Bush.
		The legislation has no chance of passing, serves as a symbolic parting shot not only at Bush, but also at Democratic leaders, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
		The slain terror leader, Abu Masab al-Zakari, purportedly believed that Iraq's Shiite Muslims were more dangerous than U.S. forces and more evil than dictator Saddam Hussein.
		According to a posthumous interview published Friday on the internet, the 33-page interview conducted sometime before a U.S. fighter-bomber killed the former al-Qaeda fighter and Iraq leader in June could not be immediately authenticated.
		Study says bees can find explosives.
		This is pretty interesting.
		Here's the latest buzz, guess they couldn't resist, on detecting explosives.
		Bomb-sniffing bees, a study at Los Alamos National Labs has found that honeybees can be trained to detect explosives even tiny in quantity.
		These bees really perform, said bee biologist Tim Harmon, the study's leader, whether honeybees will ever be enlisted in the war on terror looks doubtful at this point, but I can't see why not, can you?
		If they can even find tiny amounts of explosives, then why not?
		And what is the state of the world, a world in which we have to be looking constantly for explosives?
		You know, I always called them the headshakers, and they remain, in my mind, as headshakers.
		Again, people willing to give their lives to take the lives of others.
		Why?
		What does it mean?
		Why are we running into this?
		Is it a lack of religion?
		Is it the fact that we have taken religion largely out of everything that is public?
		Is it that people no longer believe in an afterlife, no longer believe in any sort of punishment for the evil they would do on earth, and therefore we're getting more of it?
		I don't know.
		I've been giving this a lot of thought lately.
		I haven't got it figured out, but I'm working on it.
		Maybe some of you have thoughts on the matter.
		Why has evil, in fact, there's a really good question for the night, actually.
		Why has evil begun to grow not only in America, but frankly, around the world?
		Why are more people than ever willing to give their lives to take the lives of others?
		There are, of course, certain circumstances where you can understand crimes of passion and that sort of thing.
		But so many of these crimes seem to involve literally nothing more than the want to take innocent civilian life before you go, to take as many innocent civilians with you as possible.
		I mean, to me, I think this marks a change.
		Usually, when it's murder, there's a reason for it.
		There's some motive.
		Please call it Right?
unidentified		Motive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's some reason for doing it.
		But there must be something else, something larger going on out there.
		Father Malachi Martin talked about the increase in evil in our world.
		And maybe that's the direction that I should be looking, that we should be looking at this increase in evil and why it's occurring.
		I don't know.
		It's a hell of a good question, though, if any of you feel like you've got answers.
		We are all ears going to open lines in a moment.
		Friday night, Saturday morning, open lines is what it shall be.
		Let's take the plunge.
		East of the Rockies, Truitt in Little Rock, Arkansas, you are upon the air.
unidentified		Hey, great to talk with you, Art.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And yourself?
unidentified		I'm doing pretty good.
		Talking from KARN radio station in Little Rock.
		Appreciate you taking my call.
		Yes, sir.
		Ed Dames was talking about the kill shot.
		I was curious, in the past, you've talked about how you really don't want to use the collective mind power of your audience to influence weather conditions and things.
		And, of course, with something like the kill shot, it would happen before we would know it.
		So we would have to do it way beforehand.
		But I was wondering if you'd ever recant that decision in order to perhaps stop imminent death on Earth of all life that there is, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, what I've always said, sir, is that I will stop toying with it.
		I will stop experimenting with it.
		But I've always had a caveat that if something was coming our way that would virtually wipe out mankind, then at that point, I guess we wouldn't have much to lose, would we?
		So if I see signs that go even beyond what we see tonight, then yes, yes.
		Yes.
		So that's your answer.
		Yes.
		But if we have no warning, if it's like a solar bullet that comes with all of eight minutes to get ready for it, then there's not much we can do.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, I guess there's probably going to be no warning at all.
		Really, for something like a kill shot from the sun, we wouldn't know anyway.
		So we would have to do some kind of foreplan for it.
		I'm not sure what the word is.
		But on the other thing you were talking about, what's happening to humankind now that we're wanting to kill innocent civilians, I'm coming to the conclusion that it's all about capitalism.
		I mean, when you look at these people over in other countries who are committing themselves, you know, committing suicide with themselves because they had no other alternative or option, I'm sure a lot of it has to do with lack of resources, lack of money, lack of anything to do, lack of business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe it.
		Listen, let me stop you.
		I don't believe it.
		And here's why I don't believe it.
		You can look on Google.
		I just printed it out the other day.
		The United States is not one of the happiest countries.
		It's not one of the saddest countries.
		But they did a rating of happy.
		In fact, I'll see if I can go find a list.
		I hope it wasn't tossed.
		I put it out in the living room earlier.
		And the Philippine people, for example, they are just most of them are terribly poor.
		They are so poor.
		Oh, God, it's so sad they're so poor.
		But, sir, they are one of the happiest people on the face of the globe.
		And they, as a general rule, other than terrorism in the South, little spots of it, other than that, they don't blow themselves up.
		They don't do that kind of thing.
		And here we are, America, a big, rich nation, and we have people who sequester themselves in buildings with high-powered rifles, taking out as many as they can before they're taken out.
		Now, what the hell is that all about?
unidentified		Well, when you look at it and you talk about how these kids do their high schools and things, I can see that.
		That's definitely not to do with capitalism.
		There is something crazy going on there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There really is.
		And it's not capitalism because as I point out, here it's just as poor as poor can be.
		America, by contrast with the Philippine Islands or many other nations, is insanely rich.
		And yet we have these things going on.
		I just don't get it.
unidentified		Well, just one last point, if I can.
		You know, last night I was listening to George Norrie, and he was talking to a gentleman, I forget the guy's name, but just that supposedly, according to this guy, the space, the Star Wars initiative initiated by Ronald Reagan, President Reagan, supposedly was done to keep the good guys, the good aliens, from having contact with us, which was, I don't know, somewhat strange with me to think about at the time.
		But I have been thinking about it today.
		And, you know, supposedly people like Richard Branson or Mr. Bigelow, people like that, if they want to, they can't go against the law.
		If they're American, they cannot send their own extra terrestrial or their own vehicle up into space.
		They can't go out up above the atmosphere without breaking an American law because they are Americans.
		But I just wonder, you know, what right does a government have to stop somebody with the resources from doing their own thing and reaching space?
		I mean, I just, that's, I've just been pondering that today, and I just, anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know that they, it's a very good question, and I supremely appreciate your call.
		I don't have an answer for it.
		What right do they have to keep anybody who's capable of doing so from reaching space?
		I suppose only in the sense that, for example, the FAA controls our airspace for the safety of those who fly in it, right?
		We have airliners, we have commercial air traffic, we have all the rest of it.
		And so to even get to fly, you've got to have a license.
		And frankly, that makes sense.
		And so I suppose the same thing might apply To space, but to keep them out, no, they don't have that right, nor are they doing it.
		Robert Bigelow has spacecraft in orbit.
		Others are certainly on the way.
		Private efforts have been underway.
		All of that's picking up a little bit, but it's got to be in some way regulated, just as our airspace is regulated.
		When you get on an airliner, you would not want to imagine a bunch of unlicensed idiots out there flying around, possibly colliding with your airliner, would you?
		So regulation, yes.
		Prohibition, absolutely not.
		Absolutely not.
		Let's go west of the Rockies to Leo in LaGrand, Oregon.
unidentified		Good evening.
unidentified		Thanks for taking my call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
unidentified		Yeah, I was listening to your discourse with Ed there, and a couple of interesting things popped into my mind.
		Back in October, I was reading something, and it had to do with astrology, but it caught my eye because they said that Pluto was going to be aligned with a galactic center, which in my uneducated,
		in that sense, uneducated mind, didn't mean Very much, but a few days or a few weeks later, I saw that Pluto had been redesignated from not being a planet anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was stripped of its planetary status.
unidentified		It was stripped of its planetary status, and this was, again, like within weeks of me reading about this.
unidentified		So that's just some food for thought that I thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, sir, if Pluto is no longer a planet, what is it?
unidentified		I don't know, and I don't know if that has to do with the collective consciousness thing, you know, of people not thinking about it as a planet anymore.
		Would that have something to do with and the fact that it's aligning with the galactic center?
		Would the collective conscious vibration have something, would it interfere with the effect that it's supposed to have or not?
		And I was also curious to know if you were aware of the fact that in, and I'm not sure that this is true or not, I just read about it, that in 1971 NASA discovered that in the ionosphere, and that's another thing you were talking about with Ed,
		in the ionosphere of the planet, it's surrounded by a thick 10 hertz layer of frequency, which is the same frequency that the human mind operates in the alpha wave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And also very close, thank you to the Schumann resonance frequency, of course.
		I don't know.
		All of that is pretty much above my pay grade, so I wouldn't even begin to try to answer it, but it is certainly interesting.
		Something is clearly changing.
		In terms of our behavior, something is changing, and I've been alive long enough to really see it.
		Now, I guess not all of you see it, and there may be many, well, there are many of you, who never knew anything else other than the kind of random violence headlines we see today.
		But clearly, there was a day when not all of this was going on.
		I'll try and get some of the statistics for you.
		And I hope that the paper I printed out the other day didn't get tossed.
		I didn't really mean to put it on the air, but since the subject has come up, they actually listed the countries of the world, the major countries of the world, by a happiness quotient.
		In other words, what the people reported.
		Are you happy?
		Are you reasonably happy?
		Are you content?
		Are you sad?
		Are you devastated?
		How do you feel?
		Oh, make that wildcard line, David, in Montana.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		It's interesting that you mentioned the bee project at Los Alamos.
		That project was actually started at the University of Montana by an advisor of mine at the University of Spain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no kidding.
unidentified		Yeah, Garen Smith.
unidentified		He was a fantastic professor, great science teacher, great promoter of science.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you happen to know offhand, sir, what it is about a bee that makes it an excellent, even better detector than the electronic detectors we have now?
unidentified		They're just super sensitive, I guess.
		They have amazing sensory detection.
		And the thing is, the real thing is that they're able to be trained to do this in the first place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you train a bee?
unidentified		Yeah, they're able to train a bee.
		And that's what always blew me away about it, is that they could actually train the bees to do this.
		But actually, I call for a different reason.
		I want to call for quite some time.
		It was actually my first call in.
		It's pretty exciting to be on your show.
		You know, I'm wondering if I'm the only close-to-close listener that is making a connection between all of the underground bases that have been being built for the last 50 plus years and these changes that are going on.
		And if you think about a place that might offer some level of protection, at least from the sun, you think it might be underground.
		And then you mix that in with secret government and talk of aliens wandering in these complexes, it makes you kind of wonder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Clearly, the answer to anything that would happen from the sun, or at least within certain limits, would be to be underground.
		There's no question about it now.
		Could the government know something that we don't know?
		Could it be that scientists have told the government something that they have not yet bothered to tell us?
		I think the answer to that is yes.
		Would the government tell us if something catastrophic, something evil comes this way or is going to happen?
		And I think the answer to that is no.
		I would like to have more faith in my own government than that, but I think that if it was inevitable, whatever it was, an ELE as it were, they would not tell us.
unidentified		Well, I mean, in a situation where there's that we're probably going to be looking at a situation where there's limited resources, then that becomes then the explanation as to why there's not going to be a mass announcement to the effectiveness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree completely with you, unfortunately.
		What would be the point of inducing panic if what it was, whatever it was, was absolutely inevitable and in Ellie, there wouldn't be much point in telling everybody, would there?
		I'm Art Bell, just sort of cruising through the night with all of you on Coast to Coast AM.
		Indeed, here I am.
		My God, the racket going on out there.
		Aaron has taken little Dolly, little Dolly, to the vet to get the next in a series of shots that she's getting, which all new cats, of course, must get.
		And you would think that Abby has just had his right leg ripped off.
		He is out there crying the blues, just absolutely crying the blues.
		So I guess he really misses her.
		I was running around the condo trying to figure out who got wounded.
		I mean, it sounded like somebody just lost a leg or something, but it's just that little Dolly is missing, and I guess Abby really, really misses her.
		We'll be back in a moment.
		All right.
		You heard a caller a little while ago that mentioned capitalism, you know, as some reason to perhaps be unhappy or something that might explain some of this evil that's going on.
		And I mentioned a survey.
		Well, fortunately, here it is.
		I've got it in my hands.
		It comes from NationMaster.com.
		That's nationmaster.com.
		If you want to check it out for yourself, I'm going to read some of this to you, and it's unbelievable to me.
		It's entitled Lifestyle Statistics: Happiness Level, Very Happy by Country.
		All right?
		It actually rates by countries, ranked as the happiest country according to the people in the surveys.
		Number one is Venezuela.
		That's right, Venezuela.
		Number two, Nigeria.
		Number three, Ireland.
		Number four, Iceland.
		Number five, Netherlands.
		Six, the Philippines.
		Seven, Australia.
		And ranked down at number eight, the United States, followed by, and I won't read the numbers, Turkey, Switzerland, the United Kingdom is number 11.
		Belgium, Sweden, Denmark, Canada, Dominion Republic, Mexico, Austria, Chile, Norway, Argentina, Ghana, China, Japan, India, France.
		Way down the list is France at 26.
		Brazil.
		My God, it goes on and on.
		So if you want to see this for yourself, don't take my word for it.
		Go look it up.
		It's on nationmaster.com.
		Nationmaster.com.
		So again, here in the Philippines, I wouldn't kid you, there is abject poverty.
		And I mean abject poverty.
		And it is the sixth happiest nation in the world.
		So this tells us something.
		I'm not sure what it's telling us.
		It's certainly telling us that money or things are not the key to happiness, right?
		So we'd have to think about this a little bit.
		Go get the list for yourself and look it over.
		What is it that creates happiness in a people?
		Clearly it's not money related.
		Clearly.
		Kind of a mystery, really, in a lot of ways.
		Let's go to this line and say, hello, Pablo in California.
		You are on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art, and Merry Christmas to you and your family.
		God bless you all.
		It is so nice to be on the phone with you again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Happy to have you.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Good versus evil.
		Breaking it down to fundamental physical concepts.
		There are very many people in this world that try to promote good.
		And the reaction to good is evil.
		Is that a good starting point for this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a reasonable starting point.
		Yes, it is.
		There are a lot of weird things in this world that I've noted in my life.
		For example, anybody who has money, I've got some money.
		I don't have a lot of money.
		People think I have a lot more money than I do.
		Money was never an object of my life.
		I was in radio because I love radio.
		And then magically, I guess I got good at it and the money came.
		But money was never the reason that I began my career, ever in my career.
		So what I found out is that if you give somebody money, and I've done that on a number of occasions, I've just given money to somebody, even close family members, that kind of thing, it comes back and bites you right in the ass.
		I'm serious.
		Inevitably, they end up hating you.
		The more good you do for them, the more hated you are.
		Now, you can take that from a personal level, and you can take it right up to the national level.
		The United States gives it away in bucketfuls, and what do we get for it?
		We're hated.
unidentified		Well, that being said, you're absolutely correct.
		And it's interesting that you just mentioned that we are number eight on the list.
		One of my favorite numbers.
		And it's nice to know that Iceland is up there.
		It's nice to know that many other countries are up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look at this.
		Nigeria.
		I mean, how rich is that country?
		Venezuela has got some oil, but the people are poor.
		And as I mentioned here in the Philippines, number six, there's abject poverty here.
		So there's no guarantee of, I mean, money is obviously not a guarantee to happiness.
		What is it?
unidentified		Some of us have been very fortunate to travel extensively in Mexico.
		And I can't tell you how happy everybody is down in Mexico when you get out away from the big touristy areas and amongst the people themselves.
		I love surfing.
		I'm a bodyboarder, a boogie boarder, as it were.
		And obviously, that is the primary reason I go to Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mexico is number 17 between the Dominican Republic and Austria.
unidentified		Okay, well, I don't know who's taking the survey and how they're tabulating their data, but I can tell you firsthand that people in the country in Mexico are much more happy than the people in the cities in Mexico.
unidentified		And it's the same way here in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what is profoundly going wrong in our country that people are willing to sacrifice their own life just to see how many other lives they can take before theirs ends?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's too weird for me to even think about.
unidentified		I know what you're saying, and I agree with the concept of how weird it is.
		But again, going back to the fundamental concepts of physics, and I'm by no means a physicist, as it were, but I got a pretty good feel for what's going on as a result of listening to you and your show and George and his show and many other shows on the radio.
		And all politics aside, it becomes a situation where you're either happy or you're not happy.
		And people want to be happy or they don't want to be Happy, and they will find a reason and a way to be either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in the past, thank you.
		In the past, people could be unhappy without going to secure a high-powered rifle and taking out as many others as they could manage to take out.
		I don't know, there's been a profound change, a real serious, basic change.
		And this is something we all should be considering.
		And again, go back to what Father Malachi Martin said.
		If you have an opportunity to listen to any of those programs, he said, Art, you can be walking down the street in New York City, and you can pass people on the street, and you can know that they are perfectly possessed.
		Now, I'm not a religious nut.
		I'm far from it.
		I'm probably pretty close to agnostic.
		I am agnostic, really.
		If by meaning that I really don't know whether there is a God, I pray and I hope and I think there is a God, but I don't know it.
		That's why I've always said I'd go back to the time of Jesus if I could travel in time.
		I don't absolutely know it.
		I'm the kind of guy who's got to be able to put my hand on something before I can believe it.
		So I guess, in a way, I'm agnostic.
		But I have enough of a belief that there probably is a God that I would.
		You know what?
		Even beyond that, even if I didn't think that there was a God, and I certainly do, even if I didn't think there was a God, I still would be well-behaved in the sense of not committing some awful crime, not doing anything bad to anybody.
		Heck, I don't even step on ants.
		A lot of people go out of their way to step on bugs.
		I don't even do that.
		So I'm really struggling with what it is, this profound change, whatever it is, that has made people so unhappy, if unhappy is even the right word, maybe it's evil.
		Maybe evil is proliferating in a way that Father Malachi Martin suggested it was, and there are simply those perfectly possessed people out there.
		I don't know.
		I truly don't know.
		Wildcard line two, Tom in Seattle, Washington.
		Your turn.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		My cat, sweetie, gives his sympathies to Dolly for her shots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Dolly's probably reasonably happy.
		Dolly's with Aaron on the way to the vet.
		It's Abby here who's going nuts.
		I heard what was going on out there, and I thought a right leg got ripped off or something.
unidentified		Yeah, I heard that.
		I wanted to talk to you about last Sunday.
		I was holding Unwild Card Line 2 when time ran out, and I wanted to talk to Sean Carroll about a trip I had to see Red Akilae.
		I've been abducted four times.
		I've had 30 visits by these five-foot-high gray aliens to my home, and they're nuts about my home-built jet that I'm building and all the model airplanes in my shop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're building a home-built...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're building a home-built jet?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm doing a three-quarter-size F-16, and I've got a Learjet engine in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you actually going to fly this thing?
unidentified		Well, yeah, it'll be the third airplane I've built like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm alive to tell you that I can do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to fly in it?
unidentified		Yes.
		What happens is you go down the runway at 5 mile an hour first to see if the brakes and the steering work, and you increasingly go down the runway until you can lift it off the ground an inch, and then you come off the power and put it down.
		And you're counting runway lights while you're doing that so you know how long it takes to stop.
		So you do this about 25, 30 times, and then you open it up to see if it's going to kill you.
		And you carefully check this out, and then you go around the pattern and the market.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we've got a bad phone connection here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've been abducted any number of times, huh?
unidentified		Four.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Four times.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you recall the details of your abduction?
unidentified		Yes, I've written the book, and I've got a CD that I've made.
unidentified		But I wanted to talk to Sean Carroll and ask him about my trip to Zeta Redicua and see if he could give some credence to what I saw when I was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, obviously he's not here, my friend, so we can't do that.
		I'm going to cut that short because we have a very, very bad line.
		Abducted four times.
		Well, I'm not sure that Sean Carroll would have been the appropriate person for that.
		He, of course, was a theoretical physicist and commenting on those kinds of matters and, frankly, very much of a doubter when it comes to things extraterrestrial and that sort of thing.
		And, you know, you get a scientist like that on the air.
		And there's really no point in pushing them on these subjects because you're not going to get that far with them.
		At the very best, they're going to say, well, this is something that could be.
		It's something that I'd be willing to look into if there was hard evidence.
		But that's about as far as any real legit scientist is going to go.
		What I would like to see one day is somebody, perhaps not John Carroll, he might not be the appropriate person, but some mainstream scientist really take a moment, more than a moment, and investigate all of these reports and really take about a year to delve into ufology in general and then comment on it, to see all of the evidence, the evidence we do have, and then comment for us on it.
		But of course they won't do that.
		They have careers and families that they have to protect.
		So in a lot of ways, it's very understandable.
		On the international line from Toronto, Canada, Marty, it's your turn.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Thank you for taking my call.
		Sure.
		You had asked the difference between what was making the planet more evil, or the way I see it, as more negative.
		You know, I was listening to your show last year and I had an epiphany overnight and I woke up the next day and I saw everything as positive and negative energy, meaning words, numbers, everything.
		When two people argue the positive and negative energy that transfers and I think the question that you had asked was, you know, why is the influx of evil taking over the planet?
		And the only explanation in a positive and negative simplistic way was to see it as the cycle that we're coming back onto.
		I see it like a piston on a motor car that comes back to top dead center.
		As the piston comes and hits the top of the cycle, there's another explosion that runs through the entire cycle again.
		And the easiest way I can explain it is through positive and negative energy.
		You know, the root word of good is God, and the root word of devil is evil.
		You know, when you look at it in simplistic positive and negative terms, it feels like there's a greater influx of negative energy pressing galactically somehow on the planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do wonder at some of God's representatives, you know, those in the priesthood and so forth.
		Many, believe it or not, don't believe in hell.
		They don't believe in real evil, which really surprises me.
		In other words, how can you believe so strongly and have such great faith that there is a God without also knowing there is an opposite, there is an evil force, whatever you want to call it, the devil or anything you want to call it, that there is that evil force and that it seems to be on the increase here on earth right now?
		You agree with that?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, I agree that there's definitely a, I've felt it myself, where you try and stay positive in a positive mode where you're going through maybe some difficulty in your life, and you try and think positive, and the negative seems to creep back in.
		And because we're connected, grounded, so to speak, right through our feet, right to the Earth, it's almost like whatever happens to the Earth and the planet and the core comes right up through into us.
		And we just react based on the energy that's flowing through the Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm also willing to buy that.
		Look, we're absolutely part of Earth.
		We cannot go into space for long periods of time without beginning to have a deterioration in many of our bodily functions and our muscles and all the rest of it.
		So we are connected to the Earth.
		I'm not sure that I go so far as Gaia, you know, that it's a living planet, it may be, but certainly we're connected to it in a very basic way.
		And if something starts to go wrong with Earth, something starts to go wrong with us.
unidentified		Yeah, there's definitely that connection that I don't think we can get away from it.
		I think it's just a part of our being.
		You know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, well worth considering, Marty.
		Thank you very, very much for the call.
		Of course there's an evil.
		Of course there is an opposite of good, which is evil, an opposite of God, which is, for lack of a better word, Lucifer or the devil.
		And I've always wondered about that, how so many men of good faith can believe in one without believing in the other.
		That's always been a sort of a puzzle to me.
		West of the Rockies, Bruce from Ontario, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Ert.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well.
unidentified		How's the quitting smoking going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing very well.
		For example, during the program, doing this program, I have managed to limit myself to four cigarettes, one per hour, during the show.
		Now, I smoke.
		And I'm telling you, buddy, I was doing a pack a show before.
unidentified		Yeah, that's a lot.
		I was just calling about the Hopi Indian you had on about four years ago.
		Do you remember?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I had several Hopi on, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, I was just convinced that that one you had on was the Word of God, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I I don't know.
		They had, listen, I'm way short on time here.
		Was it the Word of God?
		I don't know.
		It was the Word of the Hopi Nation.
		It was the Word of that particular man.
		And they felt that some very difficult times were about to be visited on us.
		We had to do translations to do that show.
		It was very compelling, very interesting.
		If you get a chance, take a listen.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Friday night, Saturday morning, the airwaves are yours, ladies and gentlemen.
		I'm Art Bell filling in for George Norrie.
		A well-deserved day off in a moment.
		Back to Absolutely Open Lines.
		International Line, Jose and Guadalajara.
		Mexico, you're on the air.
		I think you're on the air.
		Jose?
		Maybe you're not on the air.
		Let's try this.
		And then this.
		Are you there, Jose?
		No, I guess he's not.
		Hmm, that was strange.
		It's kind of like he was on air all by himself.
		So I'm not sure what happened there.
		Let's instead go to Joseph in Indiana.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, hello there, Art.
		Been a long time I've been listening to you.
		You probably gave me some of the happiest moments of my life while I was driving my truck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly wiles away the miles, doesn't it?
unidentified		Yeah, it sure does.
		I remember the night you glued your lips together.
		Oh, my goodness.
		About fell out the window.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't remind me.
unidentified		I got a little story to tell you.
		I got a house there in Camaltes, Philippines.
		It's outside of Cebu City, about 40 miles out in the water.
		And I went there for a...
		And while I was there, the typhoon come rolling through.
		This is in October.
		So I stayed at my house, oh, four or five days of nothing but rain.
		And I had brought with me four telescopes.
		And because with no street lights there, you know, it's beautiful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is, but there's an awful lot of humidity here.
		That's the other factor that somewhat limits the night sky.
		You know, the humidity here is always in the 90s, very close to 100%.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, you have to come down and check out the island there.
		It's a lot better.
		The humidity isn't as bad down there once you get away from the other side of the island there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		But I was going to tell you about my...
		You know how that is.
		And about 1.30 in the morning, everything was quiet, so I jumped out of bed and I said, I'm going to look outside and see if I can see some stars.
		And lo and behold, there were three small UFOs and one large UFO out over the water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would you have an expectation to have a good star viewing situation while it's raining and a typhoon is around?
unidentified		Well, it got quiet.
		I'd been reading my book, and so this is like 1.30 in the morning, so I've done reading the book, and I figured I'm going to look out there and see if the clouds have cleared up because it quit raining.
		I see.
		And it had cleared up, but to my amazement, three of these small UFOs were playing tag out there over the water.
		It was just amazing.
		So I'm hollering for my wife to bring me my glasses so I can see better.
		And all she's worried about is getting me my pants because I'm standing on the front porch hollering about these UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes.
		Well, I'd want my glasses first too, provided I wasn't here in Manila.
		Now, I suppose on an island off Cebu, you can do that, but it wouldn't be advised here in Manila.
unidentified		Right.
		So we got to watch them for about 20 minutes.
		The big orange one, though, once we were standing there watching them for about five minutes, the big orange one moved down and kind of hid itself through the trees, hid behind the trees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so it actually virtually landed almost.
unidentified		Yes, I'd say maybe it was 50, 100 foot off the...
		October this year.
		You told me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		So what did they eventually do?
		Just all take off?
		Or was there some encounter beyond that?
unidentified		Well, no other encounter.
		They played out there for about 20 minutes.
		The three little ones, they'd come into one, and then they'd split off, and they'd do their 90-degree angle turns and shooting around out there.
		And the big one, he just sat out there, didn't do anything but set.
		And so I went through the rest of the house trying to get everybody else that they lived on the island there.
		I tried to get them to get up and see these UFOs.
		And nobody's even got out of bed because they say that happens all the time.
		The fishermen see that all the time, so they weren't even interested in getting up and seeing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that something?
unidentified		So while I'm trying to...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So eventually, what happened?
unidentified		Well, eventually, they flew away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They flew away.
		Okay, well, there you've got it.
		That's a report from here in the Philippines.
		Here in Manila, because, of course, it's a very large city.
		I think we're a city of 11 million, 15 million?
		I don't know, a lot of people here.
		The air is, as you would imagine, in a city for the most part, and there's a great deal of humidity.
		So rarely do you get to see but one or two stars and, of course, the moon.
		Now, when you get out of the city, you get into the mountainous areas here in the Philippines, or down, for example, into the area off Cebu, as he mentioned, you might have very clear skies, save the humidity factor.
		They're everywhere, aren't they?
		West of the Rockies in El Paso, Texas.
		Donna, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well, Donna.
unidentified		Good, good, good.
		Well, you were on the subject about having inhale.
		And I feel that on the land that I'm actually at right now has some type of spiritual or it was maybe a kiva or a battleground or of some nature like that.
		It's been like about a two-year, I would say, spiritual venture, different learning stages.
		And what it turns out to be is that in the backyard, I've actually taken photos of, and I've also shown to one other person because everybody else is like scared to death of it.
		They consider it a battleground or something you just don't talk about.
		But it's the exchange between heaven and hell.
		I can actually see and have taken photos of the two apparitions, one being good, of course, the other being bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Donna, why have you not sent them to me?
unidentified		I will.
		I will.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I am.
		Listen to me.
		I am Art Bell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, at mindspring.com.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Can I finish the story, though?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You may indeed.
unidentified		Please.
		I actually was thinking in the morning light, in the morning, the divine light comes.
		And actually, you can see the sparkling lights going to the heavens, like actually the souls that have made it to heaven.
		Now, there's actually the other side, too, where you can see these little red little lights channel off.
		And in the center, you can actually see the sparkling lights of, I guess, the decision-making, what I would call it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Decision-making.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean by that?
unidentified		I would say that would be purgatory.
		Purgatory.
		Correct.
		I mean, whether you're going to go to heaven or hell.
		And what it taught me about seeing all this and trying to actually convince people to come look is that I've never been more sound in my spirituality.
		And I believe that what everybody chooses for their spirituality is not shown there.
		You know, there's no right.
		There's no wrong religion.
		It's absolutely just beautiful.
		It's peaceful.
		I mean, it may be scary to other people, but I believe that's what the world is missing, is that if they could see that there is good and there is bad, and it's right there in front of their eyes, I mean, it happens every other day.
		You can see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Donna, I would like you to please make an effort to go ahead and email me whatever you've got.
		Anything that would prove to people that there is a good and there is an evil and that these are real entities would perhaps go a long way in changing the world.
		Science is closing in, I believe, on what many of us consider to be the paranormal.
		All of the things that we talk about on this program.
		Science really, truly is beginning to close in on proving some of these things.
		And if not in our lifetimes, then the lifetimes of our children.
		I think that science and paranormal are going to merge in so many areas.
		There may be some areas of the paranormal that science will actually be able to prove are simply myth or people's imaginations or what have you.
		But all of it clearly is not.
		And in several areas, science is starting to close in.
		And I kind of wonder what will happen when science makes a definitive statement about some aspect or aspects of the paranormal and verifies them.
		It'll cause people to think, and perhaps that will be a very good thing.
		East of the Rockies, way down in Houston, Texas.
		John, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		And I wanted to tell you that I've passed a couple of psychological exams and psychological.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Congratulations, I guess.
unidentified		Psychological oral boards for police exams and so forth.
		And I'm in law enforcement now.
		In reference, it's just to talk about credibility.
		In reference to Ed Dame's predictions and all his remote viewing, it's something that's in the Bible.
		It says, all things work together for the good of them who are the called of Christ Jesus.
		And then also, there's nothing under the sun that is new, and all that has been will be.
		That's something Solomon said.
		And then also I don't concern myself with things that are too profound for me.
		I want you to know that I was advised today by a fellow employee that biometric jails will soon be coming online.
		What is a...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what it is, is it's going to be some way to biologically do like bio keys for officers to get in and out of jails to 10, you know, oh, you mean so that, for example, it would look at your irises in your eye or whatever, and that would be the key?
unidentified		It'll be a keyless jail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And then also, you know, this thing about enhanced humans, well, I believe that they're already here, and there's different formulas for humans becoming enhanced, spiritual, religious, you know, chemical, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, if you were going to be enhanced, if you were offered one enhancement, what would you choose?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What area of enhancement would you choose?
unidentified		I've already chose that, and that's my salvation through Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
		And there's going to be a day in the far future where even Satan himself and death will bend their knees and confess him as Lord, and then they'll be tossed into the eternal lake of hell.
		And, you know, it's just something that I wanted you to also know that the rapture is, it's going to be a real thing, and it's a real occurrence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't much like Ed's description of people getting vacuumed up, but not necessarily what the rapture is.
unidentified		Yeah, that ties back into the statement that I made where all things work together for the good of them who are in the call of Christ Jesus.
		He's simply, you know, through he's an enhanced human being.
		And what he's simply doing is he's lending credibility to something that's going to actually occur.
		And folks like...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call.
		I've got a scoot.
		Ed is an enhanced human being, huh?
		Well, perhaps so.
		It may be that the ability to remote view would certainly be considered an enhancement, right?
		But it's not exactly a biological enhancement because it's something that, according to Ed and many others, can be learned by virtually anybody.
		So perhaps enhancement is in our own hands, so to speak.
		Wildcard Line 3, Ray and Florida, you're on the air.
unidentified		Merry Christmas, Bart.
		This is Ray listening on the sky with my striped orange cat Max.
		And I had told you about 19 Miracles, told you two of 19 Miracles.
		I'm somewhat of a psychic and an amateur scientist, and I have a theory about matter.
		It has to do with polarization that might explain the human condition gone wry, as well as what Ed Dayton was saying about dark matter and the gravity coming close, you know, gravity waves.
		Okay, well, if you, the typical analogy is an hourglass.
		If you consider sand falling through an hourglass or the infinity side, but also in the antimatter realm, it falls back through.
		It changes into antimatter and falls back through.
		So I have to say that the universe is composed of 75% dark matter.
		And there's some small percentage, like 12% or something, of dark energy.
		And there's only something like 12% of or 7% of visible matter in the universe and 12% of visible energy in the universe.
		And what it is, it's not the dark matter, it's antimatter.
		And the scientists say that when matter comes in contact with antimatter, they annihilate it.
		Actually, when the Big Bang took place, it went out in both directions.
		It went out in antimatter and matter.
		And the two are tied together kind of like two loops of a string, you know, like the infinity sign.
		And so out there in, like, say, when one star comes closer to another, each star's mass is increased.
		It's kind of like, you remember the experiment in 1942 when they were beginning to build the nuclear test?
		And they had two model trains, and each one having part of the critical mass.
		When they came close to each other, the critical mass began to glow.
		And the scientists flipped one train off the track to keep them having a nuclear explosion.
		Well, that's what's happening.
		In other words, our Earth, the solar system, and our star and other stars, they all have matter that interposes with each other.
		and as it comes close uh...
		as a star comes closer a large comment or anything like that comes close to our solar system it begins to build uh...
		of the the energy in our in our own solar system that's why the earth That all ties in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, you know what?
		It kind of makes sense that anything that would affect our Earth, anything that would affect our solar system, would affect us.
		I do think that we are absolutely tied to I don't want to get too foo-foo on you, but I think we're tied to Earth.
		I think we're tied to Mother Earth.
		And as Mother Earth changes, so do we.
		So the change in the human condition that we've been discussing tonight could well be tied to some event that we have yet.
		It could be, he said polarization.
		It could be virtually anything.
		But the fact that the change is underway, I think, is beyond dispute.
		At least in my mind, it's beyond dispute.
		They still represent head shakers, and I don't have the full answer.
		Perhaps that man did, or one of you does.
		I don't know.
		All I know is we really are changing.
		West of the Rockies, all the way to Homer, Alaska.
		Ken, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		I'd like to start this conversation by saying, I want to tell you something that I know, not what I believe, think, or feel.
		Okay.
		And I know that you can know God.
		And this is basically how it's done.
		When you hold yourself to Christ's standards, you try to keep his law.
		The law acts like a plow.
		And it also acts like one through labor pains.
		And after a few times of being tried through this, he will reveal himself unto you.
		This is called the beatific vision.
		And you can look it up in the dictionary.
		I went through this vision.
		I know my Lord and Savior.
		I know he's no liar.
		That's what you have to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I'm envious of you that you know this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wish I did.
unidentified		And you can.
		It's available to all.
		It says whosoever will.
		So it's a matter of your will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And it's just in doing it.
unidentified		If you follow what he says do and you hold yourself to his standards, you don't add nothing to it or take nothing from it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think we're really able to keep up with his standards.
		He was the one that was perfect, right?
		We can model ourselves after him and we can try and do our very best.
		I certainly do that, but we are not perfect.
		Somebody said we're all sinners, those of us walking the earth right now.
		And I think that's accurate.
		From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bill.
		Indeed, here I am.
		It's your night.
		Open Lines.
		Anything you want to talk about is absolutely fair game.
		How you doing?
		It feels like one of those nights.
		We'll be right back.
		Maybe all of this is wrapped around the number of people that are on the Earth right now.
		I think we all pretty much understand that there's lots of potentially vacant land out there, that the human race is concentrated into the larger cities, and that there's still a lot of empty land on the Earth.
		But what the actual supportable level of population on the Earth is is an entirely different question.
		And how the Earth changes are affecting those who walk upon its surface is yet another question.
		All right, back to the lines we go.
		And let's try again on the international line for Jose in Guadalajara, Mexico.
		Are you there, Jose?
unidentified		Finally, Jose is here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		I just love your show.
		I listen often here via the computer.
		And I wanted to comment on the apparent growth in violence and evil in the dastardly deeds that human beings do to Each other.
		At the risk of sounding Bible thumping-ish, if you'll excuse that expression, not only does the Bible talk about in Daniel and in Revelation that during the end of the age, a release of evil will be set upon the world as has never been seen before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think we could say that's underway.
unidentified		I see this very clearly.
		In Ephesians chapter 6, which talks about, and I don't think many people in the world actually believe this, that we do not battle against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities.
		I think if people would understand that scripture and understand the period of time that we're in, we could defeat evil more than not.
		I truly believe that.
		And your show allows people to expand their minds and think, all right, you and George and this whole coast-to-coast thing is a wonderful worldwide blessing.
		And thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		And I do think, and again, I am not a thumper, as you know.
		I'm far from it.
		I think I'm a believer, but I'm not a thumper.
		And I'm not sure what that distinction is.
		I guess it's absolute faith, which I can't say that I have.
		I don't have absolute faith.
		I have faith.
		Can you say that?
		Can you have faith without having absolute faith?
		If you have doubts about something.
		For example, we've had people tonight calling and quoting the Bible.
		I don't necessarily believe that every word in the Bible is as it was delivered originally.
		I think that man may have changed a very great deal about what was originally said.
		I think that human fingerprints and footprints are all over the Bible.
		So do I think it's word for word, unchanged?
		No, I really don't.
		I don't have faith about that.
		I mean, you only need to look at how the world works now and how history is written or rewritten might be a better way to put it, to understand that something that is virtually 2,000 years old might not have made it in, you know, word for word.
		But as a general rule, I believe that Jesus did walk the earth, and I believe that all of that did happen.
		I don't know that we can believe the Bible word for word.
		And I guess I don't.
		I guess I have my doubts about that.
		Jim in Los Angeles, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good evening, Art.
		Good evening.
		I called you a few months ago and shared an interesting ice cream product with you, the Cheddar Cheese Ice Cream.
		I was wondering if you had a chance to look into that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The idea of Cheddar Cheese and ice cream just don't go together in my mind.
unidentified		Well, it didn't in mine either, but don't worry, I'm not selling this stuff.
unidentified		It seemed like a very unconventional thing that would be appropriate to a show that deals with unconventional stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, under that category, yeah, it fits right in.
unidentified		Now, there was something else I was thinking of, your questions about the nature of religion and faith.
unidentified		Now, I am not a particularly religious person, but I can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nor am I, and I didn't, by the way, I really want to make clear, I did not intend, nor do I want this to turn into some sort of religious show.
		We're not that.
		We touch on these topics because they're part of the paranormal.
		But I don't by any means want to turn this into a Bible quoting show.
		In fact, I used to not allow Bible quotes, and I really don't want to now either.
unidentified		Oh, well, don't worry.
		I wasn't going in that direction, but I was thinking of something that you would probably qualify as an expert on, and that is the nature of radio.
		And there are a lot of things that we take for granted about that, but we take things on faith.
		I've never observed a radio wave, but I know how to tune into them and make use of them in a practical daily manner.
		And that's enough for me.
		And while I don't go into the highly religious way, I do think that there are certain principles that kind of make sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jim, we can scientifically explain and even show how radio or television waves propagate and why they propagate.
		What we cannot show and cannot yet understand is how evil and or good propagate, whether there really are points from which they emanate, just to stick with the analogy of radio or television.
		We know where radio and television signals come from, and again, we know how they propagate.
		With good and evil, we don't know from whether they come, and we don't know how they propagate.
unidentified		No, I would go along with that.
		Although, I think there are some things that, well, we don't know exactly the specifics, there are some things that we know, some things we know do work, and some things that don't.
		With this holiday season, I pay attention to conversations I might overhear in a store or amongst the children of friends.
		And there are, and I think this will touch on the happiness question as well.
		There are things that I observe now that would be completely unheard of when I was that age, say 20 or 30 years ago, that just a level of commercialism that it wasn't there.
		And it was a little bit.
		There were still spoiled kids that I went to school with.
		But it was very different.
		I think perhaps part of our great technological progress has brought so many more things that we absolutely got to have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a very, very good point.
		I wonder how much of the new age of technology really is good.
		You know, I'm tossing these terms around good and evil, and I don't know that technology is good or evil.
		It's really neither one.
		I wonder how it affects us.
		I really wonder how it affects us.
		Clearly, something has begun to affect us in a negative manner, from a social point of view, in a negative manner.
		That there is so much violence, that there are so many people willing to just give their life, again, in order to take as many innocent lives as possible before they take their own or they know their own will be taken.
		That there is so much of this going on does mean there's been some gigantic change.
		Let's go to Milwaukee, East of the Rockies.
		Carl, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		It's good to finally talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to have you.
unidentified		I wanted to thank you for your great programs.
		And what I wanted to discuss is I don't dispute the parts about some of the callers before I mentioned having the connection to the earth.
		But above the earth, we have social engineering going on.
		We have people removal of Ten Commandments from buildings, which are kind of rules which are not bad.
		And I don't see what harm they do, but obviously it bothers some people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It obviously does bother a lot of people.
		And there's a war.
		There's a literal war underway in the United States to separate completely and without any reservation religion and government, to have them so totally separate.
		And we've just gone too damn far with it.
		That's all there is to it.
		We've gone too far with it.
		And removing this much religion is beginning to have telling effects.
		And if it isn't that, then it's some other, it's something else that I've missed.
		It's the only thing you can really point to that's a possible answer for what's happening.
		I don't, I'm at a loss here, buddy.
		How about you?
unidentified		Well, I am in a way, too.
		I remember here in Milwaukee when I was a young child in the 50s, there were only two murders in this town all year.
		And now it's like over 100 a year.
		And how that occurred, and it occurred so fast.
		It may matter like over 10 years, it just grew so quickly.
		But I don't know.
		Although, sometimes, I mean, I lived in a poor neighborhood at the time as a child, and we're poor Europeans that were living in an apartment building, and next to us were black buildings.
		And we never feared walking the streets.
		And there was no racial hate at that time between us and maybe because we were all poor.
		But at the same time, my mother, through example, taught me a lot of what I believe and how I live my life.
		Part of it, they came from a small country called Latvia.
		And during the time of the German occupation, sometimes you find kindness or, I don't know what you would call it at the time, in the strangest places like an SS uniform.
		My mother was caught by an SS officer giving food to the people behind the barbed wire who were being starved.
		And she never really acknowledged his presence, although he said, you know, you could be shot for this.
		She never acknowledged it, kept on doing what she was doing and walked away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe there was some part of him that was human.
		I mean, even some Nazis, I suppose, were not fully into what the state was into.
		So I can imagine that.
		I can imagine some humanity leaking through.
		There were people, too.
		As history continues to unfold, you tend to take a group like the Nazis, and I'm certainly not defending them in any way.
		They were horrible.
		But you lump them all together, and they were evil, incarnate evil, right?
		Well, I'm sure not each and every one of the individuals was that way.
		There were some, I'm sure, who were quite human in doing what they felt they had to do, which didn't justify it.
		I mean, you know, that old thing of, oh, I was just following orders is insufficient, to be sure, but I'm sure there was humanity scattered among it.
		Let's go to the first-time caller line and Shane in Louisiana.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay, Shane.
unidentified		Oh, great.
		To touch on your, I guess, your subject of matter about evil and how it is propagating right now.
		There's always been evil, but I guess there's just like a big outcry from what people are doing evil towards innocent people, especially like in the United States and America and terrorists.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not limited, Shane, to the United States at all.
		And I think propagating is really a good word.
		Propagating is a good way to think of it.
		It is propagating, almost like a radio or a television wave.
unidentified		Of course, of course.
		And but I really want to talk about sound waves.
		And I know I want to pick your brain about sound technology and why our guests don't, I guess, elaborate on, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it specifically you're asking about?
unidentified		Well, how sound can be used to levitate items, you know?
unidentified		Have you heard that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's okay.
		That's surely just brand new in the news.
		I guess many of you have seen the story, but they've now managed to use sound to levitate not just small things, but even insects and even small fish.
		I think I read that story last week, and what I thought was particularly hilarious, if you can imagine a levitated fish using sound waves to levitate a fish.
		Sound, of course, has a force.
		It's like anything else in the world.
		Have you ever gone to a concert, for example, and have you felt the boom, boom, boom in your chest pushing against you?
		Well, that's a force.
		Sound, of course, is a force, and sufficiently great amounts of it concentrated properly are enough to levitate a fish, for example, into the air.
		And the scientists, after levitating the fish, I guess, were humane enough to take a little needle and inject some water around the fish so that it could levitate in a little blurb of water.
		So if you can wrap your mind around this, there was a little fish levitating in mid-air with a little bubble of water all around that.
		Strange stuff.
		Let's go to wild card line three, and I think it's Karen in Iowa.
unidentified		Yes.
		Hi, Art.
		Hi.
		I have known about this for quite a while, and I've just waited for people to come to a realization that it is happening, because the story is going to sound a little bit out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are we talking about?
unidentified		Okay, in 1982, there was stories of a red moon, an eclipse happening on June 6th.
		Well, the newscaster out of Springfield, Missouri, I was in the Ozarks, had said that there was going to be an alignment of the planets and a strange child being born that night.
		Then I saw it on a tabloid.
		The woman I was living with was a Wiccan.
		So the Wiccans got on their phone.
		You know how they all call each other when events are happening.
		Well, she was told she needed to do her circle that night.
		And if you know what a circle is, you put it around the property to protect you, to protect you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm aware of what it is, yes.
unidentified		Yes, yes.
		I just, so other people would know.
		And we weren't allowed to sleep, and we had to dress in garb and do a ritual, a protection ritual.
		And she sat me down and she told me that the third of heaven on the night that this child was being born was going to open up and that all these little demons were going to try and find bodies before the end times.
		And the seven seals were going to start happening on the earth.
		And she said, this AIDS, she said, this is one of them, one of the plagues.
		As you know, 82 is when the news broke about AIDS.
		And she said, and it's going to get worse, and there's going to be earth changes and the.
		But this evil child was going to be what we know today as the Antichrist, born June 6, 1982.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he walks on the earth today and has since June 6th, 1982.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		I think I've got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope you're wrong.
		I sincerely hope you're wrong, because if he now walks, why we're all in danger.
		But if you look around at what's going on on the earth and actions by those who tread upon the earth, one might almost believe that could be true, huh?
		From Manila, the Philippine Islands, the Philippine nation, I'm Art Bell.
		You know what?
		That's a really interesting proposition.
		Consider.
		Radio waves, it was that caller who brought it up.
		Radio waves and television waves propagate, don't they?
		We understand how they propagate.
		We understand about the electromagnetic spectrum.
		We have a very good understanding of how radio waves propagate, how UHF, VHF, radio waves propagate to a line of sight distance, and even on occasions beyond through one means or another, ducting in other ways.
		We understand how short wave signals propagate.
		But what we don't understand is how evil, or perhaps even good, also might propagate.
		Is it possible that the increase in evil that we see manifesting in the world, and it is a different kind of evil, I mean, God knows people have always killed each other.
		They've always had motive to kill each other, envy, hatred, theft.
		I don't know.
		You could go through a whole list, right, of things and reasons why people, jealousy, reasons why people kill each other and do what we consider evil.
		But if you'll excuse the expression, in the old days, there used to be reasons, motives, albeit ones that would put you in jail or have you executed for what you did, but reasons, motives, things that others, though they certainly wouldn't agree with, would understand, or you would have some idea of why somebody committed such a terrible offense.
		But today we have these, and I still call them head shakers, these Seemingly pure evil things that just, you know, let me see if I can get a gun and go kill a bunch of people before I kill myself or the police do it for me.
		Those kinds of things.
		It's almost like that kind of evil is propagating.
		Could it be true?
		Could evil be propagating at a frequency that we don't understand?
		Well, all right, as promised, back to open lines.
		Anything you want to talk about?
		It's fair game, first time caller.
		No, make that wildcard line.
		Tiffany, you're on the air in Illinois.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		Okay.
		I'm just calling because I want to talk about the paranormal for a minute.
		This isn't about good or evil.
		This is just shadow people, actually.
		My grandmother died in 2002.
		It's in January, but the day she died, I was outside taking down Christmas decorations and Christmas lights, and I could see something looking at me through the living room window.
		And I saw like a black, shadowy thing.
		And I had seen them before when I was growing up, but I didn't really talk about them because they kind of creeped me out.
		But my mom started calling me.
		She's like, Tiff, Tiff, come in here.
		I'm like, what?
		She's like, did you just see something in the window?
		She's like, I was walking out of the dining room, and I saw this thing.
		I said, so did I. I said, but I just figured it's one of those, you know, little things you see with your eyes, nothing big deal.
		She's like, well, you know, I've seen them before when I was growing up.
		She was telling me about what they were, shadow people.
		So she, my grandmother, the one, her mother, have seen these before.
		And they don't like, you know, when you were younger, they don't shed light on things for you.
		So later on that day, my sister was downstairs in the basement, and she started screaming because she saw something looking at her.
		And it was a dark, shadowy figure.
		And right when we went downstairs, she's telling us what she looked for, my aunt, and my grandma lived upstairs, my dad's mom.
		My aunt started screaming.
		My grandma just died in my house, just dropped dead.
		And she had nothing wrong with her or anything.
		She had gene diet cancer or anything.
		She's about 74, 75.
		I mean, she was in great health.
		So ever since then, though, anybody that's died, my family, my mother and my sister and me, the day of their death, we see something.
		I mean, even if it's the animal, my cat just died three months ago and shadow.
		And he, my mom said the same thing.
		She saw it in the morning.
		I saw one when I was coming out of my house.
		So it's just, you see these things, and there's something out there.
		I don't know if it's good.
		I don't know if it's evil, but there's something to tell you that, you know, we're not alone out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm with you all the way, Tiff.
		I think that animals are harbingers of things like death.
		And for me, it's been birds.
		Absolutely no question about it.
		I think, I guess different humans have different experiences.
		I wonder if it's real or if our brain is just attaching.
		No, you know what?
		I think it's real.
		In the middle of asking that, myself, in the middle of asking that question, I realize, no, I don't think it's our brains cooking that.
		I think it's absolutely real.
		I've experienced it myself.
		What can I say?
		On Wildcard Line 4, Chuck in Bay City, Michigan, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I say this to you with Father Malachi Martin in mind.
unidentified		The escalation of the worldwide social madness that you perceive, Art, is being caused by worldwide government-sanctioned mass murder, where the antagonists are the mothers of the innocent and defenseless victims.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think we can blame this on governments.
unidentified		Well, it's government-sanctioned.
		I'm not trying to blame it on the government.
		It's just worldwide government-sanctioned mass murder.
		And the antagonists are the mothers of the innocent, defenseless victims.
		In comparison, the cumulative human rights...
		It's the abortion issue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		You see, in comparison, the cumulative human sacrifice of children in the Middle Ages and the ancient world combined does not even come close to matching the magnitude of child murder in modern times that is being done in the name of the right of the mother to do so.
		What better excuse does Satan need to unleash boundless evil upon the world?
		Especially when you take into consideration his propagation idea.
		This would be inverse propagation, which would increase the frequency of evil against those in the world who are responsible for the slaughter of the innocent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I have some sympathy with what you're saying.
		It seems to me that once you've created a life, it's a life.
		I don't know how you get around that.
		I just don't know.
		I can't figure a way around that.
		I've considered this issue, and of course it's torn society apart, the issue of abortion.
		And I think that I've pretty well settled in my mind, anyway, for what then that's not worth much.
		But I've settled in my own mind that when you create a life, something I recently did, you've created a life.
		There's a heartbeat there.
		Erin is just at the end of her first trimester.
		And gosh, you can hear the heartbeat, even externally.
		How do you get away from saying that's a life?
		How do you get away?
		You just can't get away from it.
		There's just no reasonable argument that that's not a life.
		There's a little heartbeating in there.
		There are little limbs and teeth and fingers and arms and legs, and it's a human being and it's forming and it's in there and its heart is beating.
		And how do you get around that?
		I don't.
		Now, I know that legally, I guess they've found ways around it, but I'm not at all in concert with them.
		To me, it is a life.
		Simple as that.
		It is a life.
		Again, in Mexico, Ted, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, I can't agree with you more with what you just said there.
		I was just lucky enough to see the ultrasound of my own little guy not too long ago.
		And yeah, it's a life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no way around it.
		It's a life.
		You make all kinds of legal arguments and crap.
unidentified		You can spin all the fancy words you want, but you're not going to convince me otherwise.
		Which anyway, it was a little bit off topic because otherwise, you know, I'm a liberal, godless atheist.
		And I was tongue-in-cheek, of course.
		But I was just calling to interject a little bit of a healthy skepticism in.
		Been listening to you for over a decade, man.
		I'm a huge fan, and you are just, you're the best.
		However, I just wanted to throw out a little bit of, you know, from the Peanut Gallery about 2012 and Major Ed Dames.
		I just think odds are, I've got a good feeling that I'm going to be celebrating my little boy's seventh birthday in 2013 just fine.
		I think that, you know, hopefully computer technology and the internet will get a little bit better, and we'll have a few other improvements.
		I'd sure love to see some flying cars, but I'm really not anticipating a cataclysm in 2012, and I'm not too worried about the kill shot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not anticipating anything particular.
unidentified		Oh, no, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you are.
unidentified		Oh, I know you aren't.
		You're the venue, and you're the man, but I'm not arguing you.
		I'm just arguing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't even think that Ed Dames has said anything about 2012.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He certainly said plenty about the 2012.
unidentified		Oh, no, no, no.
		No, I'm sorry.
		I was conflating the two.
		No, Ed Dames and the kill shot and 2012.
		I was just trying to voice my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in other words, you don't think the world's about to end.
unidentified		Yeah, just to kind of counter a few prevalent notions on the show versus, yeah, these would be 2012 and Ed Dames well intentionally, I believe.
		Forget 2012, sir.
		Forget 2012.
		I don't think Ed Dames is like a sham artist or anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Forget Ed Dames.
		Yeah, forget Ed and forget 2012 for just a moment.
		But begin to look at things like no more fish in the ocean.
unidentified		Yeah, no, no, exactly.
		Art, you know, you beat me to the punch.
		Exactly.
		I think there are many more clear and present dangers that are facing us.
		I don't think it's all rose-colored glasses.
		It's certainly not how I am viewing the future.
		But I think that we are doing ourselves a disservice to be worried about completely frivolous things like, you know, the Mayan calendar or the, I don't know.
		Yeah, there are very, very serious problems confronting us.
		And the sooner we look at them objectively and scientifically and rationally, the better.
		And I'll take your comments off the air, but thank you so much for taking my call.
		And I wish you the best with your new wife and your new baby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
		I, too, don't attach anything.
		I'm not concerned about 2012.
		I think 2012 may come and go without incident.
		I do worry a little bit about what Ed Dames is talking about because I see the sun acting in a way it ought not be acting.
		That's worth a little bit of concern.
		I do have some faith in remote viewing's ability.
		I believe that remote viewing is real.
		I am concerned that Ed has always been in every way consistent about what he has called the kill shot or the discontinuity, whatever you want to call it.
		There might be something out there.
		But there are plenty of current things to be concerned about.
		As I said, for example, our ecological picture is pretty dim, folks.
		All the fish gone from the ocean in 50 years.
		All these dead spots appearing.
		The North Pole melting.
		The South Pole becoming unstable.
		The increase in the storms that we're having, the number of them and the strength of them, these are all things that are absolutely real and are worth being rather concerned about, frankly.
		First time caller line, let's make it Jim in, well, we can't make it.
		It is Jim in Pennsylvania.
		Hey, Jim.
unidentified		It certainly is, and what a thrill and an honor to speak to you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to have you.
unidentified		Listen, I want to give you a little bit of a different take on this wave of evil that seems to be infesting the world.
		32 years ago, I was duped into joining an, I guess you would say, an apocalyptic sect, religious cult, denomination, whatever you want to call it, because these people were predicting Armageddon, you know, the end of the world was going to come in 1975.
		I was raised in a very religious family, and I felt that I was being handed a sacred trust.
		So I joined with these people looking to separate the sheep from the goats in hopes that I could help save as many people as possible before the world came to an end.
		Well, I lasted in this belief system for about six years before I discovered that I had basically been duped.
		I'd been a victim of a subtle form of mind control.
		And that's what I wanted to mention to you.
		What I see radical Islam doing is utilizing that same type of brainwashing technique to their followers.
		I'm not talking about, you know, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it's very similar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course it is.
unidentified		Yeah, see, I lived in the Caribbean for 13 years on a very small island.
		And down there, people used to say, oh, you've got such a horrible crime problem.
		It wasn't really any worse than any place else.
		The only difference was living on a small island, it was like being in a small town surrounded by water.
		Everybody knew everybody else, And you not only knew the victim, you also knew the criminal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Technology today has made the entire world about the size of that little island.
		And I think what's happening, Art, in just my point of view, is that the world has become so small that it's so easy for radical Islam to find converts around the world through the decreasing in the size of the world through the internet,
		through other technologies, that they're able to broadcast this mind control technique that they're utilizing to get these people to go around the world and to do their bidding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, look, I'm willing to agree with you that perhaps the radicalization of those of the Islamic faith is perhaps a little easier because of technology.
		There are many who would say that this apparent propagation of evil, though, is not real.
		And the only reason that we're hearing about these apparent mindless crimes is because of technology, because we have instant available news.
		And this is where I wish to argue with those people.
		I don't think it's true at all.
		Sorry, I'm 61 years old.
		And I can tell you right now that when I was young, we had nowhere near, nowhere near, and I'm talking about in the United States now, we had nowhere near the number of crimes of the head shaker variety that we have now,
		where unfortunately you read about somebody walking into a store with a gun and just starting to shoot people, going to the top of a watchtower and beginning to pick people off until either they commit suicide or the police get them, a sniper gets them.
		Now, I'm reading those stories virtually every day, and there's nobody that's going to convince me that a simple increase in the amount of communication accounts for the increase in the kind of mindless, evil, and I'm willing to use that word, evil crimes that we're seeing now.
		Is it possible that evil is propagating?
		Not perhaps in the same way as radio and television, propagating through its own medium, one we don't yet understand, but in fact, propagating.
		Close to the Rockies, Dave, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, how's it going, Art?
		It's good.
		How are you doing down there in the Philippines, man?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doing okay, Dave.
unidentified		Hey, glad to hear about your little cutie, too.
		I'm a cat person myself.
		Hey, listen, Art, I got a couple for you.
		As far as the good and evil thing, okay?
		I'm kind of an Undian guy.
		I believe in the duality of the universe.
		I mean, when you get right down to it, it's up, down, left, right, yes, no, guilty, innocent, black, white.
		You know what I mean?
		You know, I mean, that's the way it is.
		You know, you can come in with gray matter or gray arguments, you know, and you mess around and OJ gets free, right?
		I mean, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but Dave, what I'm saying is while it's yes, no, black, white, and all the rest of it, right now it's more evil than good.
unidentified		You know why, and you know why, because there's a balance to the universe, Art, okay?
		Now listen to this.
		Think about this a minute.
		We have so many marvels.
		We got black ones, we got white ones.
		You know, good ones, bad ones, right?
		Let's just say.
		You lose something good in this world.
		Like, okay, like, let's say, you know, that good guy, Steve Irwin, he was a great person.
		I mean, he loved animals.
		He was a good person at heart.
		Princess Di, she was great.
		You know, she was a good person.
		Mother Teresa, you could go on, right?
		You lose somebody like that.
		Somebody like that is taken out of this world.
		That leaves a vacuum, man, you know, for a moment.
		And guess what?
		That enables a black marble to drop right down in, okay?
		You know, I mean, that's just my, that's just what I, you know, that's just how I feel about things, you know.
		Now, as far as why can people go, how come nowadays people are going into, you know, feel no pain about going into a nursery and self-detonating.
		Well, look at it, Art.
		Think about how people are now.
		How hopeless people feel.
		Think about how you can't, you know, really disapprove.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dave, we're at a break point.
		We've got to hold it right there.
		How hopeless people feel, huh?
		So is it poverty?
		Is it capitalism?
		Is that the great evil?
		That's kind of where I think it was going.
unidentified		Hopeless people feel hopeless?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got something to say about that when we get to.
		We've got a break right now.
		We'll be right back.
		Well, I tell you, I get so sick of hearing about the evil capitalistic ways.
		I get so fed up with it.
		I really should do some photography here for all of you so that you can understand the abject poverty here in the Philippines.
		I mean, it's beyond anything you can possibly even imagine.
		It's just beyond what you can imagine.
		You would have to see it.
		Actually, you would have to be part of it.
		Pictures really just only convey one visual part of the message.
		It's not enough.
		The poverty here is beyond what you can dream.
		And yet, for some reason, these Philippine islands rate in happiness in the survey above the U.S. and above many, many, many, many other countries where you would expect people would be very happy.
		So happiness is not tied to the almighty dollar.
		It's not tied to capitalism.
		It's not tied to anything in particular.
		There's propagation of something that's going on.
		And it doesn't have anything to do with capitalism.
		It doesn't have anything to do with money.
		It doesn't have anything to do with things.
		It has to do with something spiritual, something propagating, something spiritual.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Julie in Emerald Hills, California says, Art, is it possible that perhaps mental illness is propagating?
		Is violence in our movies, on television, video games, creating the evil behavior?
		How about our violent sports or the fact that we have more guns than any other nation?
		Is isolation playing a part?
		I don't know.
		Julie, if I had the answers, I guess I'd be preaching instead of asking questions.
		I have no idea, but certainly what you're suggesting is an interesting proposition.
		Could mental illness or some form of it be propagating?
		Perhaps so.
		Back to the lines.
		Let's go to wildcard line four, and I think that would be Dan in L.A. Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Arn.
		How are you?
		Fine.
		Evil is propagating at three major frequencies.
		The first frequency that evil is propagating at, surprisingly, is at the infinite.
		Evil is infinite.
		good by definition has boundaries, such as the Ten Commandments.
		And as I understand it, speaking with...
		I've spoken to extraterrestrials and their leader, who is Satan.
		Satan is the leader of the extraterrestrials.
		So in antiquity, when it was decided whether we should time travel or not, the good said no, we should not go there.
		Evil said, why not?
		And went there.
		When it was decided whether we were going to have animal-human hybrids and all types of scientific experiments with no boundaries, evil went there, and evil became more powerful than good.
		Evil is infinite.
		Now, evil is also used to administrate justice.
		So in the last days here on Earth, evil is coming from all around the universe, the reptilians and the greys, to execute vengeance, which is sometimes merciful.
		If you're going to starve to death or die a slow death, it might be better to go quickly.
		And vengeance, evil is kind of the judge, jury, and executioner, and we're all going to die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, we'll have to hold it there.
		Well, on that cheery little note, yes, of course we are.
		But I thought it was always vengeance.
		Wasn't that part of what the Lord said would be his?
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line 3JD in Omaha.
unidentified		Hey, I think people are doing some of these crazy things.
		I believe it's all, I don't know, love.
		I mean, people are putting their love towards greed, lust, addiction, power, et cetera, you know.
		And their love is not, you know, going towards their children, and their children aren't getting the love they need.
		And they see all these people, you know, getting the love that they need.
		So they end up hating these people.
		And then they start hating themselves, I believe.
		And when people, you know, you can't live hating yourself and hating everybody else around you.
		So, you know, like, I think it just builds up and builds up.
		And why not just take the people you basically envy and yourself out at the end?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's apparently what people are doing, whether they're doing it for the reasons you stated or and I think it's perfectly reasonable what you said or some other reason I think is worth exploring.
		In fact, it's mandatory that we explore it.
		We've got to figure out what's going on.
		Hello?
unidentified		Oh, sorry.
		Well, I don't know.
		I mean, things, I mean, everybody's striving to get power and everything.
		And people aren't, I mean, people aren't going to get, you know, it's getting worse and worse.
		I mean, a family is built on love.
		And if there's love, everybody stays happy.
		And, you know, and everybody stays sane.
		Nobody does nothing.
		And I don't know.
		I just believe love is deteriorating in this world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a simplification, but I think you're right on the money.
		I think he's right on the money.
		I think the antithesis of all of this is love.
		And maybe there just is not as much love as there used to be.
		Maybe a lot of the unloved, the neglected, the TV children of the world, maybe we're just reaping the harvest of what we planted some years ago.
		I don't know.
		It certainly is an interesting topic, though, isn't it?
		East of the Rockies.
		Daryl, you're on the air.
unidentified		I'd like to say, first of all, good morning because I'm from New York and our time zone difference.
		Okay, and I was recently, about a month ago, I was listening to a talk show host that was affiliated with you years ago, whom always gives you kudos.
		And on her show, she had a guest, a caller that called in and claimed many things about the government.
		And one of the things he claimed that the government can control weather.
		And it made me very curious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if that's true, I'm very angry at them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've had a typhoon every week here lately, and so I'm angry at them now.
unidentified		Okay.
		But it made me very curious.
		It made me go into an areas of which I can't get my area because I'm in a very Christian area.
		I can't get a hold of like witches, warlocks, and wickers.
		I would like to have their views on if the government can control this, do they feel that they have equipment that can do this?
		Or do they have people that can actually control weather?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so.
		Daryl, to be honest with you, I really don't think the government nor anybody else can control weather.
		Now, I say that with some margin of error.
		The Russians have made claims about being able to control this or that.
		I don't know.
		I kind of doubt it.
		Because it's really been getting bad.
		It's been getting considerably worse, hasn't it?
		The storms have been getting more in number, more in severity.
		So if they are controlling the weather, then they're either doing a lousy job of it or they're intentionally screwing things up.
		First time caller line, Rob from Clearwater, Florida.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		It's an honor speaking to you.
		Thank you for having me on the show.
		A point to a subject that I've been fascinated with over the years, and I believe you or George has done shows on it before, and I was wondering if you might possibly, in the not-too-distant future, do another show on the Philadelphia experiment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		I have, of course, I did the original interview with Al Bielick, and I've done quite a number of shows on it, which are there for the listening.
		I'm not sure that unless we had another, for example, witness or somebody who participated in the experiment that it would be worthy of doing another show, we'd have to have somebody who was part of it or knew something that we have not yet heard about it.
		But it was certainly fascinating, and something really did go on.
unidentified		I've read quite a bit about it, and I'm convinced that something did go on as well.
unidentified		Are there any actual eyewitness accounts to the crew members that became enmeshed in the metal of the destroyer of the ship?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very controversial.
		Rob, you know, other than Al Bilek, who certainly claimed to be a witness, I don't know who else we could get, but let's sort of put a punctuation on what he said.
		If there are any other witnesses still alive who can talk about the Philadelphia experiment or who were witness to some of the things that happened, I certainly would like to talk to you.
		Off to Mary Ann in Denver.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		I think it's the soul that you're trying to put your finger on.
		If we don't edify the soul, then the soul gets very sick.
		And we have our own individual souls that can be sick, but our countries and our nations have a soul, too.
		So what we do to edify our soul is what the state of our soul will be in.
		So if people are edifying themselves with pornography and gambling and what have you, then they'll have a very sick soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Marianne, that could always be it.
		There's always been evil in the world.
		Look at the Nazis.
		But even though we didn't agree with it, they had some goal.
		They wanted to be the masters of the world, the master race.
		So wrong as the thinking was, at least they had some sort of motive that if you couldn't agree with, you could understand.
		They wanted to rule the world.
		Now, the things that we have going on with people just saying to themselves, well, I'm just going to go kill as many people as I can before I kill myself or the police kill me and doing this on a regular basis, something is going radically wrong.
		Maybe it's the soul.
unidentified		Right.
		And prayer is what people can do in the sacraments, in the sacramentals, like the brown scapular and the miraculous metal.
		Those things are there to help you in prayer, especially the soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And these things are a million miles away from the people that are doing these things, Marianne.
unidentified		Well, it does require us to pray for them.
		That is why we believe in redemptive suffering.
		My suffering, like your mass consciousness shows, also speak to that.
		That if I am willing to take on my suffering for the sake of someone else's soul, then I can offer that up.
		And that is part of the redemptive suffering of salvation, the work of salvation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, maybe, Marianne, maybe that's how we propagate the opposite of evil.
		It may be that prayer and what Marianne was talking about is the way you propagate the opposite or counter it.
		I don't know.
		The reason we may be seeing more of all of this is that one is propagating more than the other.
		I don't know.
		You know, I'm sort of tossing ideas around myself.
		I don't know.
		I don't want to come off as knowing or thinking I know more than anybody else does about all of this.
		Wildcard line four, Raws in Minnesota.
unidentified		Hey, yeah, this evil propagating thing.
		Have you noticed, like, things come in waves?
		Remember all those postal shootings?
		Yes.
		And the tourists in Florida, you know, just in the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They come in waves, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what I've been noting is that we're having more waves than we used to.
unidentified		Yeah, well, it seems like there's a lot less love and understanding.
		It's easier to hate than it is to figure out, to try to get to know each other.
		And, you know, I don't know.
		It is really crazy, though.
		And we have a right.
		It seems like we all think we have a right to do whatever we want.
		Like that abortion thing you were talking about, how many birth controls are there?
		You know, but we're using abortion as a birth control.
		And that's, you got to take responsibility.
		You know, get on a birth control.
		Don't kill innocent, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mulraz, we're justifying this by legally saying that something is not a life.
		Now, I've never been an avid anti-abortionist, but I think I am.
		I mean, clearly, if you listen to a little heartbeating, how can you say that's not a life?
		How can you possibly say that is not a life?
		I guess you can make legal arguments for just about anything in the world.
		But I think anybody before buying that legal argument ought to be required to listen to the beating of a little heart.
		East of the Rockies, Lois in Wisconsin, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Ars.
		I have a question.
		Now, I don't remember if it was your show or George's, but somebody was talking about RH blood, RH negative.
		Do you know what that means?
		Something like you don't have any monkey blood in your genes or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Monkey blood.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Monkey blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think we all have monkey DNA, you know, if the evolutionists are right.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, it must have been on George's show because I heard somebody say something about that it meant you were a hybrid or something.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I haven't heard that.
unidentified		Yeah, well, anyway, but I know I didn't come on a spaceship.
		But anyway, thank you.
		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're very welcome.
		And have a good night.
		That's a new one on me.
		Hmm.
		Monkey blood, huh?
		I know we all have a little monkey DNA.
		Probably.
		Jason in Portland, Oregon, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		It's an honor to speak with you.
		I'm a little bit nervous tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, just take a deep breath and plow ahead.
unidentified		Okay.
		I wanted to talk to you about what Ed Dames was talking about.
		And as he was speaking, it just reminded me of this scientist that I heard, and I can't remember if it was on your show or on TV.
		And he was talking about a theory, and I don't know how prevalent it is, but I think it's what Ed Dames was referring to about this cycle.
		He called it like an 11,500-year cycle.
		The easiest way I can explain it, the way the scientist was explaining it, would be visually.
		So if you had a piece of paper and a pencil and you put it down horizontally in front of you, draw a line, you know, horizontal across, what we're looking at is the galaxy from the side.
		So you've got a spiral galaxy that's considered, you know, thin like a wafer.
		So you've got the middle line, then draw a line, say, two, three inches above and two, three inches below.
		The lines above and below are the edge.
		Those are the edge of the galaxy.
		Now right across the middle, you can kind of shade that line in, you know, to make it thick.
		A nice thick line.
		That's the exact middle of a spiral galaxy.
		It's the densest area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I suppose if you were looking at it from the edge, you would see that.
unidentified		Exactly.
		The most junk right in the middle, stars, debris, everything.
		So the theory goes that the sun, as it's spinning around the spiral, is not spinning around on a perfect horizontal plane.
		It's moving around, but it's moving around.
		You could kind of think of a, oh, I was just thinking of a carousel where the horses are going up and down as they're also going around the big circle.
		I've got it.
		So if you draw like a sine wave, you know, going up through the middle of that line, approaching the upper edge, back down through the middle.
		I've got it.
		Now the scientist I heard explained it as about a 10,000-year cycle.
		But he said we're about five to seven years, and it struck me, you know, because everybody talks about the Mayan calendar.
		He said we're about five to seven years by however he was calculating this, going towards the densest, most midpoint of that center line, and that we go through it about every 10,000 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, or you could even think of that as the zero crossing point.
		Sure.
		Sure.
		And it could be that cyclically something occurs at that point.
		I don't know.
		It's as good a theory as any, as good a theory as I have heard.
		Quickly, first time caller line from Montreal.
		Francis.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's got to be real quick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're at the end of the program.
unidentified		Yeah, about the cyclical time phenomenon.
		There's a time gap in between at the end of a cycle, the beginning of the other cycle, where it seems like parallel timelines come in contact.
		And we feel right now other timelines where there was a big catastrophe.
		And that's the reason why people are afraid.
		And fear brings out evil in people.
		Some people go under.
		They believe that we will be destroyed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		field their instinct tells them that we're going to be destroyed others think that maybe we'll Well, that's entirely possible, and as good an answer as anybody has.
		Listen, ladies and gentlemen, that's it.
		That's all the time we've got.
		I appreciate being able to fill in for George with Open Lines.
		It's been fascinating.
		Tomorrow night, we will launch the normal weekend.
		So from Manila and the Philippines, I'm Mark Bell.

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