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Aug. 26, 2006 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Dr. Rick Strassman - Slipping into Other Dimensions (hour 2) - Open Lines
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From the Southeast Asian capital city of the land of 7,107 islands in Philippines, Manila, I'm Art Bell.
Howdy everybody, how you doing?
It's another weekend of Coast to Coast AM.
It's my pleasure, my honor to be here, escorting you through the weekend.
And there's an awful lot to talk about, that's for sure.
Next hour we're going to have Rick Strassman here, and we're going to We're going to talk with Rick about all kinds of interesting things.
All sorts of, I don't know if interesting is the right word.
I would say more like exotic things.
I think that would be the way to put it.
In the meantime, let's take a quick look at, oh, before we do, the webcam photograph right now is by request of many out there.
It's a simple shot of my living room.
People have been eternally curious about where I live over here.
So I will try and put, from time to time, different shots of different areas in which I live.
And of course, it is a very different part of the world over here.
But I think you'll agree, I'm not suffering greatly, so that's just a shot of my living room.
And in the meantime, there's a lot to worry about potentially in the Gulf.
Tropical storm Ernesto gathered strength as it steamed through the central Caribbean toward Jamaica on Saturday, threatens to enter the Gulf of Mexico in the first hurricane of the 2006 Atlantic season.
Ernesto could grow into a Category 3 hurricane by even as early as Thursday, menacing a broad swath of the Gulf Coast, including hurricane-ravaged New Orleans.
The U.S.
National Hurricane Center in Miami forecast Category 3 Hurricane Katrina struck the city a year ago on Tuesday.
Now, despite aggressive efforts to repair the New Orleans levee system following the destruction by Hurricane Katrina, it wasn't clear yet whether it could withstand a hurricane with heavy storm surge this year, according to the head of the Army Corps of Engineers who conceded Saturday, that would be General Stroxhead.
The agency was carefully tracking Tropical Storm Ernesto, which was in the Caribbean, projected to reach hurricane strength on Tuesday.
It was on track to enter the Gulf of Mexico, but it was too early to tell whether the storm would strike the southern U.S.
now.
If you're like me and you track these things very carefully, you've already gone to the National Hurricane Center.
And the National Hurricane Center, in its extended forecast, certainly thinks that it's going to threaten New Orleans.
And I don't want to scare the hell out of anybody there.
Probably scared enough as it is, but if you look at the forecast track, or what they think it's going to do, it pretty well centers, it seems to me, on New Orleans.
Now, it's very early, obviously, to worry about anything like that, but just looking at that storm track is enough to give you the heebie-jeebies after watching all of that coverage last year.
Hope we don't have to see it again this year.
And I hope those levies hold.
Israeli aircraft fired two missiles early Sunday into an armored car, which unfortunately belonged to not any bad guys, but the Reuters news agency, wounded five people, including two cameramen.
Palestinian witnesses and hospital officials said the Israeli army didn't realize the car's passengers were journalists and only attacked because the vehicle was seeming to be driving in a suspicious manner near Israeli troops, and that was enough for them.
Confusion over John Mark Carr's legal representation continued Saturday, as a Colorado attorney denied reports that she will help two California lawyers defend the suspect in the slaying of six-year-old John Benet Ramsey.
Public defender Seth Temin has insisted his office is in fact Carr's sole representative, but California attorneys Jamie Harmon and Patience Van Zant have said that Carr has hired them.
So I guess there'll be a fight over who helps him out.
Cape Canaveral, a gigantic lightning bolt hit just in the area of the launch.
Such a big lightning bolt, so powerful, that NASA has decided as a result to postpone the launch.
First time that has ever happened as a result of a single lightning strike.
Iran's hardline president on Saturday inaugurated a heavy water production plant.
This is bad.
The facility on the West Spheres is going to be used to develop nuclear bombs as Tehran remains defiant ahead of a UN broad deadline that could lead to sanctions.
The UN has called on Tehran to stop the separating process of uranium enrichment, which also of course can be used to create nuclear weapons by Thursday, or face economic and political sanctions.
Anybody taking bets on whether they will stop?
This is sort of an interesting one.
Jim, I think it's Bensman, B-E-N-S-M-A-N, thought that his suggestion during a public hearing was harmless enough instead of building a channel so that migratory fish could go around a dam on the Mississippi River and just, he said, get rid of the dam.
These days, I guess that's like mentioning the word bomb as you're about to board an aircraft.
I don't know.
Anyway, the environmental activist found himself in hot water drawing FBI scrutiny to see whether he had any terrorist intentions.
And on that note, we'll take a break, be right back and take a look, as Paul would say, at
the rest of the news.
As I mentioned, in the next hour, Rick Strassman will be here and we'll talk about something
I guess that's the right word.
DMT is a drug.
And so I want to warn everybody that we are going to, it's called the spirit molecule.
Now there are a lot of people who believe that DMT is something that will open a gate to elsewhere.
And by the way, that's something we're going to talk about tomorrow night.
We're going to have open lines tomorrow night.
We're going to be talking, hopefully, we're going to have a special line open.
In fact, just all the lines.
We'll be open for people who believe they have had conscious travel to another universe.
Most modern theoretical physicists believe that we have as many as 11 or more parallel universes.
We've had sort of lots of stories, so I know there are going to be lots of stories of people who, and the reason I put in conscious is because I don't want to hear about dreams.
Dreams could be travel, I acknowledge that, but on the other hand they could also be just dreams.
So what I want to hear from tomorrow night are people who have had Conscious slips, movements, extended periods of time, short periods of time into obviously another place.
Hope you're following me here.
By the way, I haven't done enough Open Lines and so we're going to do Open Lines here very shortly and then tomorrow night we'll do a whole night of Open Lines following a short visit by Whitley Streber.
For the first time, scientists have been able to use satellite data to detect changes in our Earth's surface caused by a massive earthquake.
Now, these are the GRACE satellites, a pair of satellites, and they look at gravity changes, specifically gravity changes from the Sumatra-Andaman earthquake, the big one.
The discovery reported in the latest issue of the journal Science, well-respected journal, signifies a new use for the data from NASA's two GRACE satellites and offers a possible new approach to understanding how earthquakes work.
The research paints a clearer picture of how the Earth changed after the December 04 Sumatranuman earthquake, the 9.1 magnitude trembler in the Indian Ocean that caused a deadly tsunami killing.
We now know about 230,000 people displacing more than a million.
Centered off the west coast of northern Sumatra, the event followed the slipping of two continental plates along a massive fault under the seafloor.
Now this slippage Occurred along about 750 miles of the line where the Indian Plate slides under the Burma Plate, a process called subduction.
The quake raised the seafloor in the region by several meters for thousands of square miles.
The earthquake changed the gravity in that part of the world in two ways that they were able to discern.
First, the quake triggered the massive uplift of the seafloor.
That would be changing the geometry of the region and altering previous GPS satellite measurements of the area.
Those changes were detectable by Grace's instruments.
And second, the density of the rock beneath the seafloor was changed after the slippage and an increase in decrease and or decrease in density does indeed produce a detectable gravity change and they have detected it.
An Iraq War Veterans Group says the call-up of thousands of Marines from the Individual Ready Reserve announced by the Pentagon the other day is, they say, one of the last steps before resorting to a draft.
The move should serve as a wake-up call to America, said John Sulz, an Army captain who serves in Iraq and heads the group VoteVets.org, which raises funds for Iraq and Afghanistan vets running for Congress.
Today's announcement that thousands of Marines in the Individual Ready Reserve are going to be called back to go to Iraq is proof that our military is overextended.
And there is no plan for victory in Iraq.
While the Pentagon has repeatedly maintained the armed forces have met their recruiting and retention goals, Solt says, today's actions, speaking of a few days ago now, obviously speak louder than words.
The IRR are reservists who have returned to civilian life, don't drill on any sort of regular basis, and prior to the Iraq war were rarely ever called to active duty.
The Army has been dipping into their IRR pool since shortly after the beginning of the war, but today the Marine Corps said they also plan to call thousands of these traditionally last resort troops back to active duty.
So what he says, if you think about it, makes an awful lot of sense, doesn't it?
That if they are getting, if they're taking this step, this final resort step, then they're probably getting pretty close to a draft, no matter what they say.
Or how's this?
Big Brother watching you for sure by 2008.
That would be the year a proposed requirement that event data recorders, or EDRs for short, would become mandatory.
Mandatory standard equipment in all new cars and trucks.
And it's going to become law unless public outrage somehow stops it.
EDRs are little black boxes just like airplanes have.
They can record a variety of things, including How fast you drive and whether you buckle up for safety or not.
The National Highway Traffic Administration wants EDRs to be installed in every new vehicle beginning with model year 2008 on the theory that Well, the information will help crash investigators more accurately determine the hows and whys of accidents.
I suppose that is true.
So, once again, this would be a safety and freedom tradeoff, right?
But EDRs could and likely will be used for other purposes as well.
Tied into GPS navigation computers, my EDRs could give interested parties the ability to take automatic ticketing to the next level.
Since the data recorders can continuously monitor most of the operating parameters of a vehicle as it travels, And the GPS unit can of course precisely locate the vehicle in real time, wherever it happens to be at any given moment.
Any and all incidents of speeding could be, well, immediately detected in a piece of paper issued to the offender faster than he could hit the brake.
And that's even if he knew that he was in the crosshairs, which of course he would not.
Probably they'll just erect an electronic debiting system of some sort that ties directly into your checking account, since paperwork could not keep up with the massive uptick in fines that would be generated.
Now, I'm going to skip over a lot of other material that I guess I'll hold for tomorrow night, and I really do want to read this one to you.
When I first read this, it just flat hit me over the head.
The title of the article is Operation Acoustic Kitty.
At the height of the Cold War, the U.S.
Central Intelligence Agency, bless their hearts, was willing to try just about anything to gain an advantage over the dreaded commies.
The agency considered using exploding cigars, or perhaps seashells, to remove Cuban leader Fidel Castro.
They employed psychics to attempt remote viewing of Russian military secrets.
We all know about that one.
And the CIA even put the Soviets on the business end of clairvoyant minds to attempt mind control.
One of the CIA's most bizarre Cold War efforts was dubbed Operation Acoustic Kitty.
In declassified documents from the CIA's Super Secret Science and Technology Directorate, it was revealed that some Cold War-era cats were surgically altered, get this, surgically altered to become sophisticated bugging devices, window sills, Garbage containers, that sort of area, right?
The cat was meant to just simply stroll right up to the sensitive conversation completely unnoticed.
The clandestine cat's electrical internals would then capture and of course relay the audio to awaiting agents.
The project was founded and work began in 1961.
Former CIA officer Victor Marchetti recounts the story of the acoustic kitty.
They slit the cat open, put batteries in him, wired him up.
The tail was used as an antenna.
They made a monstrosity.
They tested him and tested him.
They found that he would walk off the job when he got hungry.
So they put together another wire to override that.
Finally, they were ready.
They took it out to a park bench and said, listen to those two guys.
Don't listen to anything else, not the birds, not the dogs, nor the cats, just those two guys.
After several surgeries and intensive training, the cyborg cat was ready for its first field test.
So the CIA drove the cat to a Soviet compound on Wisconsin Avenue in Washington, D.C.
and let him out of a parked van across the street.
The cat ambled into the road, was immediately struck by a taxi.
Five years of effort and 15 million dollars in spending reduced to roadkill in an instant.
Shortly after its demise, a CIA operative returned to the accident site and put the cat's remains into a container to prevent the Soviets from getting their paws on the sensitive And very expensive listening devices.
Operation Acoustic Kitty was completely abandoned in 1967, declared an unadulterated failure.
Possibly due to their embarrassing nature, the documents describing Acoustic Kitty remain partially censored even today.
But one document does praise the Acoustic Kitty team for their efforts, saying, quote, the work done on this problem over the years reflects great credit on the personnel who guided it, particularly Then it's blacked out, whose energy and imagination could be models for scientific pioneers.
While the memo says that the use of trained cats is possible, it also says that the environmental and security factors in using this technique in a real foreign situation force us to conclude that our, for our anyway, intelligence purposes, it would not be practical.
Now, they could have easily, you know, Avoided all of this by asking any cat person.
Every cat person knows that cats do not come when called, do not do what they are told, operate their own little lives despite what wiring might be up their tail.
So, a sad, sad acoustic kitty story indeed, but I could have saved them all of that trouble.
Let's go to the lines and see what awaits.
On the first time caller line, I'm led to understand you may be in New Orleans, Louisiana.
Is that correct?
I most certainly am in New Orleans.
Good evening, Art on the 50,000 Blowtorch WWL.
This is Eric in New Orleans.
Eric, welcome to the program.
Thank you.
How do you feel?
I'm looking at the National Hurricane Center and despite the caution in the world news right now, National Hurricane Center has this sucker pointed right at New Orleans.
Well, we're prepared.
I mean, we always have.
I'm almost 30 years old and this will probably be hurricane number 20 for me in my lifetime.
So, you know, I am accustomed to dealing with them coming at us, and actually after Katrina, you know, I kind of know where the water level is, I know where sea level is, and I know where a foot above sea level is in the inner city.
So in the event of a levee breach, I know how deep it could get, basically.
In the event of a levee breach, like the one that you had previously, how deep does it get?
How quickly?
Well, I'll give you the frame of reference for me.
I lived, in essence, about three and a half miles as a crow would fly from the levee breach on the 17th Street Canal.
And it took roughly from Monday afternoon at the time that the levee breach occurred till probably Thursday before it maxed out at a height of about five and a half feet or a depth of five and a half feet.
I want to ask you a question.
I, of course, was very intricately involved in the coverage of that.
I was on the air during it, and I noted when that levy breach occurred.
I was watching very carefully, and there was a single brief mention of the fact that there might have been a levy breach, but then The news went completely blank for about 24 hours.
He didn't say a word about the Levin Breach.
I am amazed that you brought that up, Art.
Do you remember that?
Well, yes.
I myself was covering the storm as well for WABC, New York, and Israeli National Radio, giving them regular reports.
They'd call me and I'd tell them how deep it was getting, how fast.
And I had people, you know, from around the world telling me that there was a breach in the 17th Street Canal.
Now, these people, I was like, well, you know, I'm not sure if they really know what the 17th Street Canal would look like, because there was definitely confirmation that there was an overtopping, which is a lot different than a breach.
You know, an overtopping ends when the water goes down.
So, you know, it can be handled a lot differently.
So, there was an overtopping on the Industrial Canal, and we knew about that.
But yeah, when that came out that evening initially, people were telling me about it.
It took roughly 24 hours for word to get out on the ground.
That's a natural fact.
Listen, listen my friend.
I've got to go.
I've got to go.
We've got to take a break.
Thank you very much for the call.
I'm Art Bell from Manila in the Philippines.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
During the breaks that we have, they run a little promo for the After Dark Newsletter, and they ran one this time.
Something about, read what it's like to guest host on Coast to Coast AM.
And they were referring to George Knapp, a reporter, a good friend of mine actually, in Las Vegas.
And they said, as he investigates things like Area 51, Bob Lazar, and even Art Bell.
So I guess I'm going to have to read that.
I wonder what investigation he's done of Art Bell.
That should be more than just a little interesting.
Anyway, welcome back everybody.
We're going to be doing Open Lines.
Listen, we've got an oil spill here in the Philippines.
understand it has made international news as it should about 190,000 liters of
oil have been dumped into pristine Philippine coastline waters and now
there's a new leak according to the Philippine Coast Guard about 1.7 million
liters of oil remain in the hulk of the solar one vessel which now sits on the
seabed about 640 meters down that's a long way the vessel sank south of the Philippine capital about 500
kilometers south of where I am right now in Manila
Two of the 20 crew members are still missing and presumed dead.
head back to the phones in a moment fern in saint
George, Utah said, Art, I'd love to see the picture of your living room.
The picture, though, on the webcam right now is a shot from your roof.
That was last week's shot, and what you're seeing, Fern, is cash from your computer.
In other words, what you need to do is, I don't know what to...
Hello?
Howdy?
browser you have but you need to go in and clean out the cache and then go back and reload
it and you will see the appropriate picture.
For some reason your computer couldn't see the new one so it put the old one up.
That's what cache is.
It kind of remembers what was there and that's what you're seeing.
All right, to the phones we go.
Let's see where.
Let's go to the first time caller line.
You are on the air.
Howdy.
Is that you?
My goodness.
Howdy.
Is that you?
My goodness.
It's me.
Question is, is it you?
It is me.
It is me.
Has it really been 23 years that you've been on the air?
Yeah, it's been a long time.
It has.
I remember when you first started.
It's been a long time.
And I've never gotten on to speak with you, sir.
Well, here you are.
Here I am.
And I've got all my kiddies around me.
And they're all looking at me like I'm out of my mind because They can't imagine me being this enthusiastic about anything.
Sir, what I want to talk to you about is now that you're outside the United States, what do you think about the medical situation in the United States?
Because I got hit by a bus about three years ago and it broke my back and I've been fighting with Not the doctors, but the medical profession and the medical review boards trying to get care.
They won't treat pain at all.
It's been a real drag.
My family and I live in a 35 foot camper now because it can't work.
It's like there's this big deal going on about not being willing to treat pain.
Yeah, I'm very well aware of it, sir.
Here's what I would say.
I would say go to another doctor.
That would be my advice.
Go to another doctor.
There are some doctors That are very intimidated by the DEA.
The DEA looks, of course, at any prescription that a doctor writes.
And frankly, they're intimidated.
It's really a shame.
It's all part of the so-called war on drugs.
And they keep very careful records of the prescriptions that doctors write.
And if you will talk to your doctor, you'll find that he's probably very intimidated by the DEA.
Doctors, given a choice, would almost always act, if they could, without harassment, to write an appropriate prescription for pain.
And I think that's like in the high 90 percentile of the doctors.
But intimidated as they are by the DEA, they will not.
So my only My only advice to you is to find another doctor who is not intimidated in that way, and I've talked to quite a number of physicians, both on and off the air, and they will all tell you the same thing.
Many of them are more vocal about it off the air than on, but they generally will tell you the truth if you ask them about it.
So, again, my advice to you is to find another doctor, one who is not intimidated.
Wild Card Line, you are on the air.
Thank you for doing what you're doing.
You're very welcome.
I am 48 years old as of 33 days ago.
I am almost fluent in Spanish, and I understand you have reported tonight that there is a shortage of troops.
I want in.
You want to get in?
Well, I would, and you're 48 years old?
Yes, sir.
I wonder if you're past the age where they will take you or not.
I'm honestly not sure, but you can sure give it a try.
Have you been in before?
I have not.
However, I was named as an Air Force Academy alternate when I applied there back out of high school.
At 48 years of age, you might find it a little physically intimidating.
I mean, boot camp is pretty rough.
Boot camp is pretty rough, but I will tell you that I'm almost fluent in Spanish.
I have almost a genius level IQ.
My limitations physically are a herniated disc in my neck, and I need glasses.
Well, they'll give you glasses.
I don't know, the herniated disc might keep you out.
Well, there are desk jobs and secret positions, as it were, with the necessity to infiltrate enemy positions, as it were.
Maybe they could wire you up and use you like the cat.
Say again, please?
Maybe they could wire you up and use you like the cat.
Well, I am the cat.
I'm the cat born in the year of the dog.
On the cusp, so I'm a crabby cat.
You know, somebody else will pass it along to me and I'll get it on the air for you.
I don't know what the current age restrictions are.
I have a feeling the herniated disc probably would keep you out, but you certainly could give it a try.
You could give it a shot.
You know, it's a funny thing.
I was in the Air Force, of course, for four years.
And I had my turn in the Far East, here in the Far East.
That's how I'm so familiar with the Far East and Southeast Asia.
I spent a lot of time over here.
In fact, I spent ten years on the island of Okinawa.
Very similar climate to the Philippines, where I am now.
And after I got out of the military, I I spent a lot of years considering whether I wanted to go back in or not.
There were a lot of things about it that I really loved.
I just really loved.
So what the current age restrictions are for the military, it's probably changing, would be my guess.
And you might have a chance of getting in.
They are getting a little desperate.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hey, this is Ken calling from Lexington, Kentucky.
Yes, sir.
I've got a question for you.
In light of the terrorists trying to use aircraft, which is their primary weapon it seems like, to blow up the aircraft and the shoe bomber and all this stuff, why are these people having such a hard time believing that the 9-11 attacks were the product of the terrorists?
I've heard people just look me straight in the face and say, you know, the government did it.
I know.
Actually, what I get, sir, because I have for a very long time now said that we did not blow ourselves up, and that will earn you emails, many of them, saying you're a traitor.
That's the word they use.
You're a traitor.
If you don't believe we blew ourselves up, you are a traitor.
Well, you know, I don't understand.
The only thing I can come close to is the Pearl Harbor deal, where it did strike me funny that the carriers were out.
Well, Pearl Harbor is a bit of a different situation.
I don't know how much knowledge there was or was not about what happened at Pearl Harbor prior to the attack, but with regard to 9-11, I think it is.
In Occam's Razor, I saw the airplanes go into the building.
Oh, they'd say that they were remote controlled or, you know, and all this garbage.
I mean, I know.
And there was dynamite planted at the, uh, explosive planted at the base of the building and all the rest of it.
I know.
I mean, I don't know.
You know, I'm a disabled vet.
I'm, I'm, I'm fully disabled.
I was Air Force myself.
And I had a vet, I had a vet, another disabled vet one day over at the VA just looked me right in the face and say, and right in front of her, you know, we're sitting there waiting to get our meds and stuff.
And he's telling me that, you know, the government did this stuff, and I'm like, you're in the wrong hospital.
You need to be over at the one, the psychiatric one, you know?
Because, I mean, it's so obvious.
And like I said, they're using them for weapons now.
It's proven.
I know.
All right.
Thank you very much.
I've been through this now for a number of years with this group, and it is an interesting group of people.
Not all of them are nutcases by a long shot.
There are some fairly credible people out there who seem still inclined to believe, and it is a belief system, that the United States orchestrated its own terrorist act, that the United States Blew up the buildings.
We're the ones who crashed a plane into the Pentagon.
We're the ones who are trying to destroy the White House with the plane that went down in Pennsylvania.
You know, on and on and on.
And taking a position like the one that that man just took and the one I have, and that is that it is exactly what it seemed to be, Occam's Razor.
It is those men who blew up our landmarks, killed our citizens.
It is exactly what it seems to be.
It seems to be a very unpopular position.
I mean, it is a small but very vocal minority that believes we did this to ourselves.
They don't have reasonable conversations with you if you take the position that, well, gee, no we didn't.
It was done to us by terrorists, then you are a traitor.
You are a traitor.
Nothing short.
You are a traitor to the United States.
And that's exactly the kind of email that I received from that group.
And I've stopped even trying to have conversations with them because it's simply impossible.
You know, you can't get anywhere with somebody who will continually say, look at the evidence, which I have endlessly, and interviewed people, and they will just sit there and call you a traitor.
Again and again and again.
And what defense, what possible defense, is there against something?
Well, no I'm not.
I saw those planes.
I've seen the people.
I've read the report.
I've looked into it very carefully.
In fact, they even claim that it was not an airplane that crashed into the Pentagon.
Why?
They can't find the pieces and parts, they say.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello.
Oh, hi.
Hi.
This is Jackie in Colorado.
And Art, I've been listening to you since 94 for sure.
And I almost got through one night, but I guess it didn't really work.
Anyway, I was in California at that time.
First of all, I just want to say congratulations on your recent marriage.
Thank you.
And I felt like it was such an important blessing for you at that time.
I was just so happy for you.
You have no idea.
I'm sure.
I just feel it in my heart that it's perfect.
But I just wanted to share that with you and tell you how much I enjoyed your program over the years.
And I love listening to the cat stories because I'm a new cat person and I'm on my third generation with, you know, the children of the children of the children.
By now you two could have saved the CIA all that money and told them that cats were not going to stroll up to the appointed two people and sit there and monitor a conversation.
That's just not a cat.
Right.
Well anyway, that's basically it.
And then also I had an opportunity to talk to my dish provider recently and I talked to a girl and her name is Chickie.
And so she's in Manila and she didn't know that you were there.
So she was going to tune into your program and she told me like three times.
My name is Chickie.
Well, actually, it's very interesting.
Thank you.
I guess Dish may be then contracting with some people here in the Philippines to do their troubleshooting or late night answering for them.
I don't know.
Gals over here tend to have names that you don't believe.
Names like Honey and Sugar and names like that that we would sort of Laugh off a little bit, but in fact those names are quite normal here and for some reason
For some reason, with girls here in the Philippines, they use American first names.
Of course, last name is Filipino.
But the first name, inevitably, is something like that.
Something like sugar, or candy, or something like that, that almost would seem fake to you, but it's not.
These are very, I guess for a generation now, have been very, very popular names here in the Philippines.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
How are you doing?
I'm quite well, sir.
Yeah, this is Gus from Texas.
Yes, Gus.
Yes, I noticed earlier you were talking about New Orleans.
Uh-huh.
And I want to say I was there for a little bit this year, doing work down there for a major gypsum company.
And it really depressed me the longer I stayed there.
Right.
Because you got to see the destruction up hand.
Even as you just, I just went up the road to just a small deli.
Just to buy some sandwich stuff or whatever.
Or I went over to the grocery store and buy, you know, even some frozen food or something.
Just to have in my trailer there.
And I had my wife come in and we were going, you know, and she's from Texas also.
She went in and she went, you know what, no one laughs here or anything else.
And I was going back and going, just saying to myself, Well, I can see why they don't have anything to laugh about.
They just got destroyed.
Yeah, that's right.
The city, beyond any shadow of a doubt, or at least some certain portions of it, were absolutely destroyed.
And what wasn't destroyed had to be leveled and completely rebuilt.
Now, I hope to God the levees hold this time.
But with the global changes going on, and these are global changes, in our climate, in the ocean levels and all the rest of it, how long New Orleans is going to remain viable I think is a big question now.
I recall our government making noises about restoring New Orleans to its absolute former glory.
Well, that has not yet occurred, of course.
And it really doesn't look like it is going to occur.
I suppose eventually, if enough storms miss for long enough and the Army Corps of Engineers manages to get the levies high enough, It might occur, but it's going to be a long time.
It's obviously not occurring as quickly as the government had hoped that it would.
And frankly, I wondered at the time about that statement at all.
And there may have been a moment or two when our government, somebody in our government, should have considered the possibility that it might not be wise to restore New Orleans to its former glory.
It might be wiser to move it a little bit and rebuild it in a place where that was unlikely to happen for a number of years yet.
Let us go to, let's see, this is an interesting one.
Former guest, I guess, Joe, welcome to the show.
Hey Art, how are you this evening?
I'm alright.
Alright, good to talk to you, hope you're well over there.
I just got an order to shoot A HAARP signal at 73.5 degrees, 180.0, 286.3 degrees.
Oh, wait a minute, Joe.
Who are you, Joe, exactly, to be given such an order?
Art, I was a guest on your show about seven or eight months ago, and I had to go through some clearances to get permission to be on your show.
Uh-huh.
And you work for the HAARP Project?
Well, I'm part of the affiliate of one of the agencies for HAARP.
Okay, and give me those longitude and latitude again.
I just can't remember this because we talked a couple times.
Yeah, that's alright.
Give me the longitude and latitude again, please.
Latitude and longitude, 73.5, 180.0, 286.3, shoot at 7340, hour of angle, 100.5 degrees, 100.4, minus 100.4 degrees.
That's a lot of numbers, we don't have a lot of time.
Where is that basically?
2740, they're trying to, what they're trying to do is calm those people down over there.
Where is this specifically?
I don't have a map in front of me, so where?
That is Tehran, Iran.
It's Tehran-Iran.
So you're telling me, Joe, that, Dr. Joe, I'll call you, that you've got orders to basically fire harp at Iran.
Is that correct?
Well... I've got a break right here.
We'll be right back.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
I am indeed, Art Bell, and listen, I have no way of confirming who the final caller in that last hour was who claimed that he had orders to fire a harp, the harp array, at a certain target.
I have no way of knowing.
First of all, he called us.
He claimed to be a...
A former guest, and I won't give out the last name, and not only do I not know that it was really the person who he claimed to be, I also don't know that what he had to say is true, so I'll just leave it at that.
Coming up in a moment, Los Angeles native Rick Strassman.
You know, I want to warn you a little bit about this program.
We're going to talk about drugs, one drug in particular.
And it's called The Spirit Molecule.
Actually, the book that Rick wrote is called The Spirit Molecule.
And so we're obviously going to be talking about drugs.
And I know that will offend some people.
So if that will offend you, please turn off your radio now.
The author of this book, L.A.
native Rick Strassman, holds degrees from Stanford University and Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Yeshiva University.
He took his internship and general psychiatry residency at the University of California Davis Medical Center in Sacramento.
He spent 10 years as a tenured professor at the University of Mexico.
Dr. Straussman also began the first U.S.
government approved and funded clinical research with psychedelic drugs in over 20 years.
Something nobody would touch.
In addition, he has been a consultant to the U.S.
Food and Drug Administration National Institute on Drug Abuse, Veterans Administration Hospitals, Social Security Administration, and other state and local agencies.
Dr. Straussman's Current practice is psychiatry in Taos, New Mexico and is Clinical Associate Professor of Psychiatry in the UNM School of Medicine.
So in a moment we're going to have a discussion about something that he calls the spirit molecule, otherwise known as DMT.
when we return.
Coast to Coast AM.
This program over the years has been dedicated to a large degree to the study of things that we do not understand.
Life after death, experiences with entities that we don't understand.
The paranormal, in other words.
And one legitimate area of investigation into the paranormal without question is the use of drugs.
Now, I understand that with the war on drugs and all the rest of it, it's perhaps not a politically correct topic to be delving into, but I don't care.
I think it's an important topic to be going into.
I think we've got the right person to do it.
Rick Strassman, welcome to the program.
Thank you for having me on tonight, Art.
You're very welcome.
Where are you actually, Rick?
So I'm in Taos, New Mexico tonight.
Taos, New Mexico?
That's in northern New Mexico.
Okay.
How did you get involved in this sort of research anyway?
So it started off in my college days through my studies and through my reading.
I became interested in the biological basis of mystical experience.
And I also was kind of hearing stories from friends and from other researchers who were describing states of consciousness that sounded quite similar to mystical states, which those individuals had undergone through the ingestion of a psychedelic drug.
And so I started to think that perhaps one of the things that occurs in cases of naturally occurring mystical states is the release of some kind of psychedelic drug in the brain.
Wait a second, Ricky.
You seem to suggest that possibly all experiences of this kind are related to some sort of release, whether it be natural or otherwise in the brain.
Is that right?
Well, I think that there's a correlate.
There has to be some kind of biological correlate of consciousness, of conscious experience.
And I think in terms of the first place to look for some biological correlate of an altered state of consciousness is through a chemical, a drug, a hormone, or what have you, that has its own psychedelic properties.
Oh, that's really interesting.
But again, are you suggesting that whether it be a natural release of the brain or something
taken externally like DMT, that possibly almost all of the reported encounters, I guess we'll
call them, are from some sort of drug in the brain, some sort of release of something in
the brain?
Yeah, oh, no.
Are you having a, do you have a cold or having a problem?
Yeah, I've got a bit of a cold tonight, sorry.
Yeah, my throat's a little hoarse.
Okay, grab a good glass of water there or something.
I've got some water, thank you.
Yes, so I think in terms of cause and effect, you know, it's always kind of difficult to
posit a cause and effect relationship if it's a correlative one as well.
In other words, it's kind of hard to describe it as either the chicken or the egg in this case.
I think probably, if you looked at the brains very carefully of people that were undergoing a mystical experience, It's probably quite likely that there is some kind of biological thing going on.
Have you actually done that?
Have you looked at the brains of people undergoing those kinds of experiences?
Well, no, I have not.
Other people have studied the brains of people experiencing mystical states.
In terms of brain scans, cat scans, pet scans, those kinds of things.
But so far nobody has actually looked at concentrations of DMT in those people.
All right.
Let's examine what DMT is.
What does DMT stand for?
DMT stands for dimethyltryptamine.
It's a chemical cousin of serotonin.
Most people know serotonin is a common neurotransmitter in the brain.
And serotonin, you know, is in blood cells, it's in the brain, it's in the gut.
It's also closely related to melatonin.
Melatonin is something you take when you want to sleep, isn't it?
Correct.
It's also a product of the pineal gland.
And through my readings and through some of my speculations in college when I was starting to formulate on some of these ideas more carefully, I started to look at the pineal gland as a possible source of a psychedelic chemical that could be mediating mystical experiences.
And the pineal gland is located where?
It's located in the center of the brain.
It's an unpaired organ in the brain.
It's pretty much the only unpaired organ in the brain.
So there's only one pineal gland as opposed to two hippocampuses or two amygdala, things like that.
And it's been an organ of great speculation throughout the centuries in terms of its function.
All right.
What is the conventional wisdom regarding the function of the pineal gland?
Well, in terms of lower animals, it's a third eye.
It's got a retina and a cornea and a lens, all those kinds of things.
It's capable of receiving light information and it will cause the biology of the animal to change in accordance with the amount of light it's exposed to.
Really?
You know, in terms of color of the skin and temperature and... No, no, wait a minute.
In an animal, Rick, the pineal gland is located in the same place as a human.
That would be the center of the brain, right?
Um, so it's closer to the surface of the skull in lower animals like amphibians and reptiles and newts and salamanders, those kinds of animals.
What about dogs, cats, monkeys?
So that's more comparable to the location in the human.
It's kind of in the center.
Okay, so at the center of the brain, Rick, if that's where the pineal gland is in those animals, you're still suggesting that it's very much like an eye?
In other words, you can actually see and detect light in the center of the brain?
In terms of mammals, it's still responsive to light, but it's indirectly When was DMT actually discovered?
to light through information that's received through the eyes as opposed to directly experiencing
light at the top of the skull.
When was DMT actually discovered?
It was discovered in the 1930s, and a few years after that it was discovered...
So it was first discovered in specific types of psychedelic plants, coming from the Amazon
in particular.
This was in the 1940s and the 1950s.
And around ten years after that it was discovered in the blood of animals and then a few years after that it was discovered in human blood.
I take it then somebody in the jungle somewhere ate something with the empty content in it and found out they were suddenly having some sort of unusual experience, something like that?
Correct, yes.
So there's a combination of plants which are consumed in... Boy, it sounds like you're having a rough time of it tonight, Rick.
Well, here, let me get a drink of water here.
Yeah, by all means.
So there's a combination of plants from the Amazon called ayahuasca.
And so this has been used for quite a long time in the context of Indian rituals and the like, in terms of inducing psychedelic and mystical kinds of states in Brazil and Peru, those parts of the continent.
uh... and uh...
and so uh... and so dmt was discovered in uh...
uh... in in uh...
industry was discovered in one of the plant that is an ayahuasca It's also an ingredient in some of the plants that are in psychedelic snuffs as well that are used in the Amazon.
Do modern American natives use it at all?
Has it made its way to the North American continent?
So it is gradually making inroads through a couple of ayahuasca-using churches, and actually one of them was just given permission by the Supreme Court to use it in the United States.
I take it as a religious part of their freedom, right?
Yeah, well it's their sacrament, and so that was the argument that they made.
You know, kind of like, you know, peyote is the sacrament of the Native American church that contains mescaline.
Sure.
Okay, well let's try this straight-on question.
If somebody takes DMT, what are the likely effects?
What do we know about it?
What will it do?
So it depends on, you know, the route of administration.
If it's smoked, and in the case of its use on the street, it's smoked as a freebase, generally.
It starts quite quickly, and there's quite a strong rush, and it starts off, there's quite a display of geometric, kaleidoscopic visual imagery.
In other words, it's kind of like, well, I guess, What other drug would you compare it to?
I don't want to put words in your mouth.
I mean kind of like LSD, kind of like psilocybin, kind of like mescaline.
So there's a number of compounds that are called the classical psychedelics.
DMT is categorized as a classical psychedelic along with LSD and mescaline and psilocybin.
Have you used the drug yourself?
No, so no I haven't actually, but I've talked and given Other Compound so much, it's kind of as if I have taken it myself.
I've been around it so much.
It's like you've taken it yourself?
Mm-hmm.
You actually haven't?
I mean, you don't have to be afraid to admit it if you have.
Oh, no, I haven't actually, no.
Other psychedelic drugs?
Well, a long time ago, I suppose, you know, when they were still legal, I kind of dabbled, you know.
I must have been in, you know, in my teenage years.
You seem inclined not to believe that these experiences, for example, contact with an alien or contact with a spirit of some sort, could as easily be a natural experience as it could be either the release of DMT by The pineal gland or any other drug as it could be a natural experience, a real experience.
You seem almost prepared to sort of put it all off to that one way or the other.
Oh, I'm on the contrary, I think actually.
I think in terms of what occurs with DMT, either if it's externally ingested or if Concentrations increase in the brain on their own.
I think what may occur with DMT is it opens specific doorways, which are otherwise closed.
And through those doorways, it is possible to make contact with perhaps external freestanding, kind of real experiences.
Are you interested in other psychedelics as well as DMT or are you focused entirely on DMT?
So those DMT studies that I was doing took place between 1990 and 1995 and I was interested in studying specifically DMT for a couple of reasons.
One of them is it's quite obscure and I think in terms of, you know, starting those sorts of studies, at that time, it was important, you know, not to draw a lot of attention to our studies.
And if we had started off with studying LSD, I think, you know, our studies could have garnered, you know, quite a bit, you know, more publicity.
So, it was an obscure compound.
That was kind of an interesting part of it.
And it's also extremely brief, and our studies took place in the hospital, and I was concerned of, you know, in terms of our individuals in this study, you know, experiencing adverse kinds of effects.
And if it was, you know, a compound whose effects were kind of brief, then we could handle them a lot more easily than a 12-hour drug like LSD.
Also, I was interested in DMT because of my interest in spontaneous states of mystical experience, which were strengthened through the quality of DMT being a naturally occurring drug.
You said LSD was a 12-hour drug.
How many hours of a drug is DMT?
Oh, it starts off extremely quickly.
We were giving it intravenously, so it begins within a heartbeat or two.
So the peak occurs within two minutes.
And then people start coming down within three minutes or so.
And they're pretty normal at this point.
Wait a minute.
The peak occurs in two minutes and they start coming down in three minutes?
Pretty much, yeah.
Very fast.
It's like being blasted out of a nuclear cannon.
That's the way people describe it.
Wow.
Yeah.
And everybody in the study was kind of normal at the half hour point.
All right, Rick, I'm going to chat with you for a moment during the break, so stay right where you are.
My guest is Rick Strassman, who's having a little bit of a difficult time this night, obviously has a cold or something or another.
From Manila in the Philippines, Southeast Asia, I'm Art Bell.
Indeed.
Here I am.
How are you all doing?
Rick Strassman is going to be leaving us now.
He's obviously under the weather, and we'll reschedule his visit for a time from when he's feeling a little bit better, and it's really too bad.
I watched my I watch my Fast Blast very carefully, and people say all kinds of unkind things, like he's a victim of DMT himself, and he just finished saying why he hasn't taken that, so it's obviously something else.
He's pretty serious cold and not feeling very well.
So we'll reschedule, Rick.
However, I do want to say this.
I think that drugs, DMT perhaps, and some other psychedelic drugs, are a legitimate area of exploration into experiences that otherwise we don't
have explanation for.
However, unlike Rick, I don't think that they represent the entirety of those experiences.
I think too many people have obviously reported them without the assistance of DMT or LSD
or any other psychedelic for that matter.
So I think it's a worthwhile topic and we will have Rick back at a future date.
In the meantime, what we're going to do is go to open lines.
So, anybody with any... I'll tell you what we'll do.
Tomorrow night, I was going to open the lines for anybody who has had an experience in another universe.
Now, that sounds pretty wild, I know, but let me lay it out a little bit here, alright?
What I want is anybody out there who has Slipped.
I guess that's a way to put it.
Slipped.
Would that be the right way to phrase it?
There are certain slips that do go on.
People suddenly find themselves in a place they don't recognize, perhaps surrounded by people in a period of dress that is not contemporary at all.
In other words, they've gone back in time, or they've gone to another universe.
Modern theoretical physicists think we may have 11, even more, universes and that ultimately
to be discovered.
And who knows what their makeup is, but people have slipped into these.
We know that for sure.
Now, what I've asked is that only those who have had a conscious experience call.
And by that I mean, don't start out by saying, well, I had a dream, because then there's
no way to know.
And it would obviously cast a little more doubt on it.
If what happened to you, on the other hand, happened during a non-sleep, completely conscious moment, then I definitely want to hear about it.
at that and completely open lines coming up in a moment.
So, anything at all goes.
Anything you'd like to bring up or talk about is fair game.
Wildcard line, you are on the air.
Hello?
Hello?
Going one... Oh, wait a minute.
Maybe I did not properly push the button.
Wildcard line, you're still not on the air.
Now let me try this one.
Wildcard line, you are definitely on the air.
Hello?
Hi, Art.
This is Blair in Sedona, Arizona.
Hello, Blair.
Hey, I was reading this old book by Gina Sermonara of the Edgar Cayce story on reincarnation.
She published it back in 1950.
And she talks about this concept called suspended karma, and having to do, let's say, with the Atlanteans reincarnating as Americans now, because there's a similarity in the civilizations.
And that's what has you work your karma out through.
For, according to Edgar Cayce, we had the Electricity, radio and television, air travel, and all this kind of solar and atomic power were in the Atlantean times and now we have the same thing now.
So the folks that, let's see, how can you put this, that were solely deficient and made their big mistakes during Atlantis had to wait or have a suspended karma until we had a similar type of technology or something where they could work out their karma and so they come back as Americans.
So I think it's sort of interesting what's happening in Well, if we are, we're blowing it, Blair.
I don't think we've learned a whole lot, if this is a karmic experience we're having.
I don't think we've learned a lot, because we're in the middle of destroying the world we live in.
Right now.
I wonder how many people actually still deny that.
That is to say that we are acting in a destructive manner toward our own planet.
So I'm not sure if the karmic part is true, that we really learned anything.
And I've always wondered about that one aspect of reincarnation.
It's always bothered me.
If there really is reincarnation, if we come back And we come back without any conscious memories of that which we once were, then what good does it do us?
What good is reincarnation?
And how can you build upon a life and move toward perfection if you have no conscious memories whatsoever of the mistakes you previously made?
I've always wondered about that.
East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
Hello.
Yes, is this our bell?
It is indeed.
Hello?
Hello.
Yes, can you hear me?
I hear you.
This is William from Rock Hill, South Carolina.
I wanted to talk about, first of all, I wanted to congratulate you on your new marriage.
Well, thank you.
And I'm sitting here with my beautiful Philippine wife, who is from Binyan Laguna.
Very good.
That's not that far away.
About an hour and a half southeast of Manila.
That's right.
She's talking to her sister in Mignon right now.
What I wanted to talk to you about, a couple of weeks ago you had someone on that was talking about the CETA program.
I finished in engineering years and years ago.
Lately, in the last couple of years, I've been trying to do a lot of research on anti-gravity and free energy.
I've gotten more or less involved in the same types of things that you're involved in.
Well, alright, if you've done that much research, Rick, have you actually found anybody with a sustainable claim to free energy?
Have you actually found anybody able to demonstrate either free energy or even a nice even return?
Well, they keep saying, no, I've found some new ideas that seem very promising.
Like the parallel path electric motor and things of that nature.
But let me get on with my other thing first and then you can ask me questions about the other.
They were talking about the SETA program trying to contact aliens using radio waves which travel at the speed of light.
Alright, let me ask you, are you talking about SETI?
Yeah, you're right, SETI.
I'm mispronouncing it.
I'm sorry.
That's all right.
Here's my thinking about it.
If someone is so advanced that they've already figured out anti-gravity to be able to visit the Earth, then they're not using radio waves or anything remotely resembling radio waves to communicate with.
Because if I tried to call you and using radio waves, it would take 20 billion years for a radio wave to go across the universe.
And 20 billion years for it to come back.
Well, if they've figured out anti-gravity, then they're communicating with gravity waves, and somebody has... Alright, well, let me stop you and correct you a little bit.
It would be about, by current estimates, 15 billion years to get to the edge of the universe at the speed of light.
So, you're talking about light years, and they just recently corrected themselves.
Who's they?
The scientists involved.
Indicating that the universe is about 15, it was earlier thought to have been about 13 billion years old.
Last week, or was it the previous week, they said, oops, no, it's actually about 15 billion years old.
But he's absolutely correct.
It would take radio traveling at the speed of light entirely 15 billion years to get to what we now regard as the edge of the universe.
I wonder if they can miss it by 2 billion years.
How really far out or closer than they believe it to be, it really is.
I just wonder about that.
To have that kind of error margin would indicate to me that it could be a whole lot closer or a whole lot farther away than they know.
And I guess I'll leave it at that.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Art, this is Mark at Style Nevada.
Yes, sir.
Hey, I lived in Tucson about 11 years ago.
I wanted to ask you if you think this might have been an abduction.
I was driving down Sundario Road, about 62 knots dark, in the road at a dip.
Translucent, I'd say orange, probably 30 feet at the top.
30 feet high, 20 feet at the top.
It was an inverted triangle.
Translucent.
Went through the dip.
My car died.
I lost 17 minutes.
I was going to my girlfriend's house at the time.
And got to her house.
Called the Air Force, nothing was in the air, nothing at all, whatsoever.
She noticed a little bloody spot in the back of my neck.
It's like a little V. It's now a cute little white scar behind my right ear.
Now, I've tried calling other people and talking to this and that and the other thing, and nobody's ever been able to give me an explanation, or if there's ever been an entity even that looked like that that anybody had ever experienced.
How do you know that you had 17 missing minutes?
Well, my friend, I had my watch on, and when I looked at the thing, I looked down at my watch, and it was like, okay, I'm late.
And the car died, and the last thing I remember was kind of rolling up out of an Arroyo, and the next thing I looked back down, it was a wind-up watch, it wasn't electronic, it was a Bulova, and there it was.
Alright, do you have any conscious memories of what went on during those 17 minutes?
Not a thing, my friend.
Not a thing.
All right.
I would say that there's a very, very good chance that you were abducted.
And the only way you're going to really find out whether or not that's true is to volunteer to go through some sort of hypnotic experiment with somebody.
If somebody puts you under, then there's a very good chance you can find out what happened during that 17 minutes, if you have the cojones for it.
I wonder psychologically, I mean we are, in the world right now, we are experiencing abductions.
We are being taken.
Now most people want to believe that if they are here, and I do believe they are here and they are watching us and they are abducting us, that they're nothing but little friendly guys.
I'm not one of those people.
I give equal possibility Absolute equal possibility to the chance that they are not our friends.
I mean, friends, after all, don't pluck you out of an automobile and experiment with you and do things that result in bloody little marks that become scars and then not tell you what happened.
So, I don't know.
This whole abduction thing is worth pursuing.
It's interesting, but it's not necessarily, in my opinion, benign.
Not at all.
Going to the first time caller line, you are on the air.
Hello.
Hello, Art?
Yes.
Yes, this is Steve calling from Los Angeles.
Hi, Steve.
Hi, I'm glad I got through.
I'm kind of a new listener, but my friends have been listening for a long time, and I'm going to just tell you about an experience I had driving to Myrtle Creek, Oregon.
I pulled over in Redding just to sit down for a while, take a rest on a bench, and all of a sudden, I can use your word, I slipped into another dimension.
And I was surrounded in every direction.
I turned and looked, as I'm trying to do now, and people were, instead of like being in a cafe, they were standing by trees, and they were in pairs or three, and they were all just having conversations.
It was some kind of like a conversation room.
Okay, stop for a second.
Let me get all of this straight.
You said you were driving?
Yes, and I parked, I went to a gas station, got some snacks, and I was sitting on a bench there.
And all of a sudden I was just, I wasn't on the bench where I was in this other place, but they, the people couldn't see me, but I was aware of them all standing maybe 20, 30 feet apart.
It was like, I couldn't believe it.
It was, um, and the one thing I can remember about it, it was, it was kind of a pale, it wasn't as vivid colors as we have here, but it was more of a pastel blue or gray kind of an experience.
And you're very much aware that they could not see you?
Absolutely not.
That's what I was afraid of.
But then I just observed for a while, and then all of a sudden it was gone.
But, ah, it just blew me away.
When you say it was gone, you mean everything suddenly returned to the normal setting?
Where I was, right.
But for, I'd say several minutes, I was just in awe.
Okay, and again, you said that everything was kind of in pastels.
In other words, everything was a little softer than reality.
Kind of gray blues, something like that.
Yeah.
There were couples.
It could be a man and a woman, but there were female and men.
It could be two men.
I just couldn't believe what I was seeing.
All right, so you went from an area... Describe the area that you had been in.
You were on a bench, you say, and what was it?
The gas station must have been there, close by, or what?
That sort of thing.
Just stopped to get some water or whatever it was at that time.
sat down and boom I was just I feel like I'm saying I couldn't believe what I was seeing and
Yes.
you know that's why I was interested in when you said slipped into another dimension because I
think this qualifies for that because I was in the same space but I was in their dimension and I at
the time I was more nervous about it like I was intruding and you know I was going to be found out
No, no, no.
This absolutely qualifies.
It's exactly what I was talking about.
Do you recall the kind of dress people were in?
Was it normal, contemporary dress, or what?
It seemed like longer coats.
The men had on longer coats.
But it was an American type of situation.
These people weren't aliens.
They were like us.
These people weren't aliens. They were like us. But I'm just saying again, I couldn't believe it.
I've relayed this story to just a few people.
A friend of mine that I was going to visit in Merle Creek, Fay, I told her about it and she said, well, they couldn't see you.
You could just see them.
And that's exactly what was going on.
Alright Steve, what about sense of time?
Do you have any idea how long this little slip lasted?
Maybe several minutes.
You know, I was kind of anxious about what I was seeing because I was conscious that I was still myself.
But, you know, and like I said, I was more nervous that I was intruding and I was going to be found out.
But I just I turned and looked in every direction.
And it was for about as far as you could see.
It just didn't end.
And it kind of made me interested in the fact that maybe You know, we'll get a chance to, you know, just to stand around and talk, you know, kind of indefinitely, like, but it was casual, very casual.
It was no, the people were very calm looking and it was just amazing.
And I can describe the color as kind of a bluish grayish white.
There's no vivid colors.
It was, You know, it was just fantastic.
No, I think pastels would do the trick.
It sort of describes it to me.
All right, thank you.
That's exactly what I was talking about.
I wonder how many of you have had experiences like that in some way or another, like that, or even very different than that.
I really am convinced that the scientists who believe there are all of these dimensions are absolutely correct.
They are there.
I have no idea what, you know, what the makeup of them is.
For that matter, what the physics of these different dimensions might be like.
But I think you really just did hear a legitimate description of something like that that's occurred.
And what I want to know, I've had a lot of emails like this, so what I want to know is how many How many of you out there have had an experience like that gentleman just described?
I think that he may have, in fact, for a moment, for some reason.
And it would be interesting to discern what brings something like this on.
It may be way outside our knowledge base, but it sure would be interesting to know.
Let's try again.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello, Art.
This is Rod calling from Austin, Texas.
It's a pleasure to talk to you.
And to you.
Welcome.
Listen, I have a request.
Your earlier guest was talking about certain issues that I really like listening to, drug use and these drugs that he was talking about, DMP, and I was wondering if you could maybe have a call in and have people calling in that have experienced these drugs and would like to talk about their experiences.
Well, let's begin with you.
You obviously, apparently, well I shouldn't say obviously, but apparently you've tried one of these, or several?
No, I've never tried either of those, but I'd be very curious to know what it does to you.
Have you ever done any psychedelic?
I've done my fair share of some.
I would say, yeah, I have, and I think they're really It's introspective, and there's a lot of things that your guest was talking about that just, you know, it opens something.
That's all you can say.
Okay, well, try and describe to me what it opened.
It opened your mind.
It's a mind, or your perception, you know, it's like the guy was saying, doors of perception, just like the book, you know, that, you know, you do these drugs, and that's the best way of describing it to me, is like your mind opens.
All right.
Done deal.
Like your mind opens.
All right.
Well, we're talking about that and anything else you would like, including travel to other dimensions.
From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
Tom in San Antonio, Texas says, Hey Art, I'm disappointed and you're doing a show that seems to be advocating illegal drug use.
Everyone that's used acid, LSD, X, or anyone's supposedly mind-expanding drug made these same arguments and statements.
Illegal drugs are illegal for a reason, aren't they?
I'm not advocating their use.
What I am doing is I'm being honest.
And in being honest, I'm telling you that it's a legitimate area of inquiry into the kind of thing that we talk about on this program.
So whether it's Rick Strassman or somebody else, and there will be somebody else, I can assure you, this is an area that we're going to explore.
Drugs are a mind-altering substance.
There's no question about it.
They alter your You're thinking.
They alter your perceptions, and they may do more than that.
They may open doors.
So in any discussion, legitimate discussion, the kinds of things that we talk about here, they have to at least be included.
So we're certainly not advocating their use, but we're examining their effects.
More open lines in a moment.
Shh.
Open lines in anything is fair game.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Good evening, Art.
Good evening, sir.
Listen, Art, I know you're quite an avid fan of amateur, well, not amateur radio, but... Yeah, amateur radio, that's correct, ham radio.
Ham radio, I'm sorry.
I was wondering, how do you feel about computers?
I love computers.
I am surrounded by computers.
Do you have a specific one?
I mean that you're a personal computer?
Well, now that I'm here in the Philippines, I have moved personally more toward laptops.
I have quite a number of laptops.
Okay, because my big question was, what kind of chip do you favor?
AMD or Intel?
Intel.
Oh, okay.
And I really like the Sony VAIO.
I've heard you mention that.
It is an attractive thing, and I hope you have no problems with your battery.
Well, I hope not, too.
One more quick question.
Last year, or earlier this year, you were talking with a woman that was out in the middle of the ocean.
I believe you said she was like 71 years old.
Oh, that's right.
How was she doing?
That's Susan and, you know, I heard that she left Honolulu and was on her way to one of the atolls here in the Pacific.
Ultimately, her goal was to sail, mind you, sail all the way across the Pacific by herself.
Now, that takes some real guts to be that age and to go across the Pacific.
I had the opportunity While she was en route to Hawaii, which was scary enough, believe me, the swells in the Pacific are scary things to encounter in a small craft, to talk to her as she was on her way.
And who knows, if she gets out to this part of the world, and ultimately I believe she is headed out this way, I may have that opportunity once again.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air, hi.
Yes, this is Jason in Cradville.
Yes.
I wanted to talk about stepping into other dimensions.
Yes, sir.
Yes.
Well, I can consciously travel to other dimensions.
It's not a gift, it's more of a trained skill.
Oh?
Yes.
You know, I used to be a witch and learned the their form of psychic training, developing the psychic mind,
and I have, you know, continually applied myself.
And I can personally verify there are 11 dimensions, one time, 10 spatial dimensions, that kind
of correspond to what we think of in witchcraft as higher and lower planes.
That's quite a claim.
If you could, could you describe the differences that you found in some of these other dimensions?
Well, they're extremely huge.
So, I mean, if I were to describe my personal experiences in each of these dimensions, Other people might describe them differently because they're not only, you know, can you go up and down in the actual dimensions, but as you go planar across, they vary quite a bit as well.
But essentially, I can, you know, the ones below the third dimension are essentially like the elemental, what I call Tartaros, and then what I call the Abyss.
And above, you know, the astral, the dreaming, the first and second heaven, the eighth is where the Holy Spirit is, you know, so on and so forth.
Okay, so you equate these then to the religious interpretation of other worlds, would be a way to put it, I guess.
Yes, I've found striking similarity and parallels.
Not only between Matrix Superstring Theory, but also in what I've learned as a witch and what I discovered in the Nag Hammadi.
So I find they all fit together quite nicely.
Okay, alright, well listen, we'll hold it there, that's interesting and that's something that I should have imagined that I would encounter and whom I to say that it is not so.
It may well be that these other dimensions, I mean after all we talk about ghosts and spirits and what we think of as aliens, some refer to them as aliens, other people who have the identical experience don't refer to them as aliens but rather as religious icons of one sort or another.
So, when one has this kind of experience, it may well depend on their own perception, their own beliefs, their own, how can I put this, their own biases, and certainly one strong one out there is a religious bias.
When somebody has another experience of this sort, if they are religious, then that's exactly what they may find.
And in fact, that may be what, that could be the whole answer.
It could be that you find what your expectation is, that there are other dimensions.
But they are as you imagine them to be when you get there.
If that all makes sense, I think it does.
Let's go west of the Rockies and say hello there.
You're on the air.
Hello.
My name is Corey.
I'm calling from Las Cruces, New Mexico.
Yes.
I just wanted to, I guess, somebody, or just with Dr. Strassman earlier, and I'm just talking about the, about drug-induced experiences.
I had a pretty crazy, I would almost call it a near-death experience, maybe, with salvia divinorum.
I guess it's probably lesser known, but Well, it's so much lesser known, I've never heard of it.
What is it?
Well, it's a plant.
It's a, it's a sage.
It's of the salvia genus, or salvia family, and it's been used by, like, by shamans in Mexico for hundreds of years.
And, I mean, it's been used for those purposes.
But, uh, it's, I don't know, it's supposedly the most potent psychotropic known to man.
And, uh, anyways, like, I'll cut to the chase.
Like, um, I had a friend that had done it several times and had some pretty crazy experiences.
I took one hit from a water pipe of it and I don't even know how to explain like it took me a while like I don't know the whole thing lasted probably like in this dimension about 10 minutes but in my head it probably took several hours but uh I took a hit and I went to set the water pipe down and I just felt an explosion and it took me a minute to regain myself and I don't know it was I would explain it like I mean, I was totally in another time and another place.
I went through the whole, I don't know, like fractal repeating images of myself and stuff, and then I totally relived some crazy moments from my childhood.
Like, I was actually, part of, I don't know, it was kind of strange, like, I was seeing my mom talking to myself as a child, and she was just talking about, I mean, just repeating the same line, like, you kids don't know what you're playing with, and like, I don't know, it was really weird.
Did it scare you?
Huh?
It was very scary at first.
Like since then I've kind of learned a lot from it and studied it and I haven't really messed with that since then.
But yeah, it was very startling at the time.
Okay.
All right.
Well, I appreciate that.
That's the kind of thing that I'm interested in as well.
And again, I know that these drugs that we're talking about, many of them anyway, I've never heard of that one, but a lot of them obviously are illegal and for a very good reason.
Nevertheless, it remains a legitimate area of inquiry for anybody doing a program of the type that we're doing.
Entirely legitimate, because there may be answers there.
I understand that in Western culture, we have placed a big no-no on all of this, and there are legitimate reasons for that.
In the West, we pride ourselves on having a very great deal of productivity.
And it's widely thought, and probably is certainly true, that drugs detract from, tremendously detract from, productivity.
And we don't want that.
We can't have that, can we?
We are a society that prides itself in Well, again, that word, productivity, that means money, and when you're not productive, you're just sort of a burden on society.
So you can easily understand why society passes laws against this kind of thing.
I don't think there's any law against inquiry about it, though.
Let us go to a wild-card line and say, hi, you're on the air.
Hi, Art, it's Paul.
Are you there?
Hello, Paul, yes.
Yeah, hi.
Well, I have an experience on psilocybin mushrooms I'd like to share with you.
I had a friend for two years, almost three years, who said he could show me other dimensions.
And when he said that, I never really thought about what he was saying.
But anyway, so we planned the day that we'd get together and do mushrooms.
And it was my first time doing it.
I show up to his house.
And he said that, you know, I was late and he had taken his mushrooms, so here take my dose.
And it was a, what I thought would look like a big dose, but we hadn't discussed that it had to be to see other dimensions.
So I went ahead and took the dose, or took it.
It was around a plate full, a dinner plate full of mushrooms.
Anyway, so I noticed right away that I was overdosed.
I would be immediately suspicious of a dinner plate full of anything.
What was I thinking?
This was my best friend.
Somebody that I would almost say that I was, now I look back at it and say I was under a spell.
I wasn't really thinking.
I can't believe it.
But anyway, so I can't believe I'm telling you this story, but anyway, so once I noticed You know, overdosed.
He started telling me that today's the day that I go to hell, and that he's a messenger, and they decided up above that, you know, Paul needs to go to hell that day.
This is not your friend, Paul.
Yeah, I know, I know.
And I really, really thought it was.
Anyway, so, I sit down on the couch, and, you know, your natural reaction is thinking that your friend It's going to walk you through this.
He invited you to his house to do mushrooms with him, so I kind of was still, even though he just told me something upsetting, I was still wanting to believe that he was helping me.
So I laid down on the couch.
See, now, right away, I have a problem with that.
The moment he said, today is your day to go to hell, you know, that has such a negative connotation to it, Paul, that I don't see how you could think he was helping you.
What could I do?
Could I go outside the house and scream, I'm overdosed?
I should have picked up the phone and dialed 911, but I can't breathe.
I'm struggling to breathe.
My pulmonary, I would, I would be, I'm so far out.
I would forget to breathe.
And, um, really I had, what could I do?
And so he brings me into the living room.
And by the way, each room was decorated different.
The first room that I was in was all red lights.
And anyway, so I'm going to wrap this up, get the story going here.
So, um, you know, he came down talking to me and this vibration came through the room like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
And it forced me down into the couch, kind of a feeling like I was really falling deep into the couch and I would rebel against it and try to stand up.
But anyway, So I fought this and he commented about how I was fighting that feeling and he started talking to me and he his eyeball changed.
He had a little pierced earring on his um eyebrow and that dice started to spin and when it changed his eyeball changed and his skin changed.
Okay and there he is this guy looking like an alligator with this eye that was just The bright yellow and the hole in it was just, just deep.
That's why I'm freaking out.
And I, I go to the door.
And when I get to the door, I couldn't open up the door.
And, um, then I took, he stands and then next thing I know, he's standing right behind me and it's him again.
And, uh, he says to me, uh, when you open that door, hell starts.
So, I opened the door, and by the way, he had told me that the police, God's angels, the white man was coming to take me to hell.
So I opened the door, and uh, yeah, there were the police.
They called 911 on me, and uh, yeah, they broke my skull, or supposedly cracked it and broke some ribs.
The police cracked your skull and broke ribs?
Yep.
And heart.
I don't know, you know, I know I was walking, screaming into the sky, you know, God help me.
And I thought that maybe just by being out there that, you know, somebody would call the police.
Oh, sorry, I'm gargling to keep my mouth wet.
Anyway, so I... So it was your friend who called the police, right?
Yeah, he called the police and the 911 transcription stated that he said that, He had a homosexual friend from work who, um, was... What?
Yeah.
You know, hey Paul, uh, I would disconnect yourself from this person and, uh, never again.
Of course!
Of course I'd never... Well, you know, I saw him once after that to confront him on what he did to me.
Oh yeah, that'd be interesting.
And what did he say?
He said, number one, I started off with, you're a snake.
At the least.
What?
At the least.
At least, right?
Anyway, but I want to tell you, so I, after this, I thought, you know, I was just tripping.
It was something that I saw, and my friend invites me to go to Washington State with him, and I'm in the back of a big rig truck.
And George had somebody on, I'd never really thought about coast to coast before, George had somebody on the radio that said that he saw somebody turn into a reptilian.
And when he described it, he said it started by the eyebrow.
And I'm sitting in the back of this big rig going up the 5 freeway, and it occurred to me, I didn't hallucinate.
That doesn't happen.
There are no pink elephants out there.
He really did.
Well, Mark, my life has been so strange since that occurrence.
I'm sure it has.
All right, well, listen, thank you very much.
That was interesting.
I've often wondered about truck drivers out there.
I think you said on the I-5, driving one of those big rigs.
And, gee, you have to wonder, hopefully he wasn't under any sort of influence like the one he described, and who needs friends like that, my God.
They invite you in for a trip to another dimension, sit you down to a dinner plate, a dinner plate, mind you, full of hallucinogenic mushrooms.
You apparently munch down, clean off the dinner plate, and then he tells you you're going to hell and calls the cops on you.
And claims that it was some sort of homosexual encounter.
I don't see how it gets any worse than that.
Let's go to the first time caller line.
Maybe it does.
You're on the air.
Hello.
Hey George, it's Jason in Kings Mountain.
I'm Art.
George is on during the week.
Oh, I'm sorry Art.
I was calling because I wanted to find out your opinion on the Grays.
My opinion on the Greys?
Well, alright, I don't really have an opinion on the Greys, other than apparently they're real.
Now, tomorrow night you'll have an opportunity to tap into the mind of somebody who's just written what is getting rave reviews, I might add.
Uh, and is called The Graze.
That's Whitley Strieber.
I think he was just recently on with George.
But Whitley is a very, very good friend of mine.
And I'm here to tell you right now that if anybody you or I know has had an experience, a real experience with The Graze, it's Whitley Strieber.
He'll be here tomorrow night.
So, rather than taking my limited opinion on The Graze, Hang in there for Whitley Strieber at least on the first hour tomorrow night along with Open Lines which we're doing this night from Manila in the Philippines.
I'm Mark Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
Arabelle in Albuquerque, New Mexico says drugs that rip away the illusions of, in quotes, the matrix, have to be illegal.
Otherwise, we would see the reality of our surroundings as they truly are.
That said, I wonder if reality, and I'll put that in quotes, is the same to all of us.
By the way, you can send a fast blast to me by going to the coasttocoastam.com website
and just typing it in.
Steve in Las Vegas has done so and says, in high school I smoked a joint laced with PCP.
Before this, I was in a state of cognitive dissonance.
This is to avoid the anxiety of reality.
A bad trip can be when you must confront all the negative things you purposely push out of your head.
On the wild card line, you're on the air.
Yeah, hi Art, this is Roger from San Diego.
Hello!
Hello, and I just wanted to tell you I'm a long, long time listener, first time caller, and I've enjoyed your show for years and years.
Thank you.
I had an experience that happened to me, oh this was in about 77 or 78, I was driving from New York to California, And there were storms up ahead on I-40, up in the Gallup area, along in Grant's Pass.
And so I decided to cut down at Amarillo and take the southern route.
So that's all a two-lane highway, if you're familiar with that road.
I am indeed.
Yeah, 60 and Highway 70, down to Las Cruces.
And so I'm out, I'm probably an hour or two out of Roswell, out in the middle of nowhere.
And suddenly my partner and I see these two white lights appear up ahead.
And they were close together, parallel, on a horizontal plane.
And they stayed with us for about an hour.
And no matter, at first I thought they were a train that was approaching.
But they stayed ahead of us, and we were going west, and they didn't get any closer.
Suddenly as we were coming into a small town, They just took off to the south at a high rate of speed, and that was it.
I turned to my partner and I said, did you see that?
And she said, yeah.
Neither one of us could believe what we had seen.
And when we got into town, it was dark.
It was late at night.
Obviously, nobody else had seen it, but it was the strangest thing that we'd ever witnessed.
Okay, I appreciate the story.
I'll tell you, of course I come from that country, specifically Nevada in my case, but you can see for very, very great distances, and I too have seen lights up ahead that seem to stay in relatively fixed location, and I'm not talking now about a star, and I don't know that I'm talking about any sort of extraterrestrial vehicle either, but you can see them for very, very long periods of time.
Now the fact that they suddenly took off That's something else again.
And again, how do we separate?
The kind of experience he just described from being temporarily in some sort of other state or possibly even some other dimension.
I don't know that we can.
In a way we're talking about reality tonight.
What reality really is and is it any single thing or is reality absolutely an individual perception?
I'm not sure.
Are you?
Ease to the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
Yeah, hi Art.
Hello.
This is Bernard from southeast Alaska.
How you doing?
Quite well, sir.
Good.
From one rainforest to the next.
If you have ever had an opportunity to come up this way, I certainly invite you.
Well, thank you.
I lived, of course, in Anchorage for three years.
Oh, did you?
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
I've been to your part of the world.
Yeah.
I just recently moved down here to southeast from Anchorage.
Last time I spoke to you I was in Anchorage and I just wanted to thank you for the mass consciousness for my safe return of my dog and my dog had disappeared and I was very worried about my dog.
It was gone for about two days and freezing cold in the winter and after talking with you the dog returned to where I was temporarily staying at And, uh, the dog was, uh, you know, not familiar with that terrain and, and just, uh, I don't know how it survived, but it did.
I don't, I have no idea.
And I, I don't know where, how does mass consciousness play into that?
Oh, well, I just, uh, asked, uh, to kind of be taken there to that, uh, so that everyone was kind of on the same page, so to speak.
I'm not clear on what you're saying.
Did you call the show and ask for people to concentrate on this?
Yeah, yeah.
I see.
Correct.
Okay, well that might have worked, who knows?
Who knows?
You know, we don't know really a whole lot about mass consciousness.
I'm not prepared to do any more experiments unless it gets down, I think I've said this before, to the point where obviously the world is one way or the other about to end and then of course what would we have to lose so we'd give it another shot.
But I suppose if somebody just calls up and asks for help in some way, whether it be something as simple as a lost dog or whatever it might be, you know, if enough people suddenly concentrate, even momentarily, on something like that, who knows what mountain might be moved?
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello?
Hello.
Yes, hello.
Hi, I'm Laura and I'm from Florida.
How are you doing?
Fine.
Good.
You had mentioned something about slip earlier.
And I wanted to say that I went through a rebirthing seminar with about 12 people, and we're laying on the floor, and we're told to breathe, pant, so to speak, and I start feeling this coldness in my chest, thinking that, oh my gosh, I'm going to pass out, and they're saying, no, you're not going to pass out, you know, you'll be just fine.
I'm like, okay, so going into this, and my My chest is getting cold, and then I start to roll over to my side, and I curl up into a ball.
Now I'm totally aware of the room I'm in, the people around me, and I'm totally aware of what my body is doing.
And then I start to get this, I don't know, it was like I wanted to cry.
So I started crying, and the crying that came out of me was a baby's cry.
Well, you were in a rebirthing situation, right?
Right, right.
Okay, well, you know, hyperventilating like that, hon, is absolutely going to put you into some sort of altered state.
Oh, don't you know it?
Yeah, and I guess that's what they had in mind.
The experience I had was incredible because it relates to my daily life.
I went back into a time of when I was an Indian squaw, and I lost my child.
So you're saying you went to another lifetime?
Mm-hmm.
And I don't have children in this lifetime.
And this feeling came over me that in each of my lifetimes either I lost a child or I never had a child.
I felt myself get under the cover feeling this baby in my hands And it's limp and it died in this war that was going on with the Indians.
Did you have any, when this was all over, was there any positive effect on you?
Oh, most definitely.
It affected me in a way that I felt so wonderful that I felt this baby in my arms.
Well, see, I would not have rated that as a positive experience.
I mean, to have a baby die in your arms, most people wouldn't... No, no, no, no, no, no.
I mean, it helped me understand why I don't have any children in this lifetime.
That could be... Because there was a deep, I don't know, loss somewhere in me from not being a mother.
Right.
Are you getting what I'm talking about?
I'm thoroughly getting what you're talking about.
Yes, yes.
So, you don't have any children now.
No, I don't.
And you have apparently no desire to have any.
Well, no, I couldn't have any.
I had cancer, couldn't have any children.
I see.
So, I felt that, and I felt in other lifetimes before that, I also lost my children, or didn't have children, or always felt that longing to have that child.
Fascinating.
Yeah, that's absolutely fascinating.
A little bit earlier in the program, I think I said, I've always wondered about this, and that is to say, If we reincarnate, I've been told by many, many people that the whole object of reincarnation is to work toward perfection.
Nobody's perfect, but you work toward perfection and then eventually, after enough lifetimes, the story goes, you reach that state and you, in essence, graduate.
But I've never been able to discern what exactly it is that reincarnation does for a person if they have no conscious memory of what they were previously at all.
Now, there are some states, some altered states that you can go into, and that's kind of what we're talking about tonight, that will apparently show you what you were In some previous life.
And in that, of course, in some way will then help you in this lifetime.
But it does seem odd to me, if it's a natural occurrence, that in order to find out about any previous life, we have to go into an altered state.
It just seems odd to me.
Let's go to the international line and say hello.
You're on the air.
Hello, Art.
Is this me?
Only you know that for sure, but it sounds a lot like you.
Then I guess it is.
Then I guess it is.
I just have a... My name's Kyle.
I'm calling from Winnipeg.
Yes, sir.
I'm just calling to relate an experience that I had with you.
I'm 26 now, and when I was about 20 years old or so, about 6 years ago, I was doing LSD quite often.
Not every day type of thing, but once in a while for recreation, and I used to experience psychic intuition when I was under the influence of LSD.
You mean you could discern things that were going to happen?
Yeah, for example, on one experience, I was in a great big shopping center, a big urban shopping mall, and walking through the mall under the influence of LSD, I could tell what people were going to think before they would act on it.
You broke up a little there.
You could tell what people were going to what?
I could tell what people were thinking and what people were going to do.
I could just look at people and tell that they were going to, say for example, stop and look at a certain article of clothing or that a man and a woman that were walking along in the corridor were going to get into a fight or an argument or something of that nature.
Really?
Yeah, it was quite interesting and there's been other times where I can't hear what people are saying to me.
If, for example, I'm in a vehicle, I can't hear the driver talking to me, but I can hear everything that's going on outside the car.
I could hear dogs barking or I could hear horns honking from distances away, but yet my friend would be talking to me and I couldn't hear a word that he was saying.
Well, who am I to say that that is not so?
And that's why I think I said that certainly we're not advocating that anybody use any drugs.
No way.
They're illegal and therefore you should not do it.
However, in view of the subject material that we discuss on this program, certainly drugs have got to be considered one Possible, underline the word, possible path to attaining some of the experiences.
Again, we come back to the word reality, right?
What is reality?
I mean, that's worth a whole program all by itself, isn't it?
I wonder if we all perceive things exactly the same way.
I think the answer to that is a clear no, we don't.
So, that may be one path to things that otherwise cannot be explained.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Yes, this is Olin in Culver City, California.
Yes, Olin.
Yes, on March the 2nd, 2005, a caller called and said there was a new cure for flu made out of orange oil, lemon oil, peppermint oil, and eucalyptus oil.
You mix them together and you breathe the fumes Through a painter's mask with the orange, lemon, peppermint and eucalyptus oil on the mask over your mouth.
You take in a deep breath in your mouth and breathe it in deeply and then let it out through your nose.
This was a caller to this show?
Yes, well it was to George Norrie and he said that it was from two years previously.
Apparently Robert from Glendale, Wisconsin had called you.
And he said that this is a combination that bacteria and virus cannot survive on contact with and that it's an offset for the effects of biological warfare.
I have some eyedropper bottles and I mix together a half a cc of orange oil and a half a cc of lemon oil, half a cc of Peppermint oil and half a cc of eucalyptus oil.
And?
I get these oils in a health food store in the aromatherapy display.
They're made for breathing.
Okay, so what happened?
Well, it does cure flu and colds.
I've heard before that eucalyptus oil cures flu, but this additional combination with orange oil, lemon oil, peppermint oil, with the eucalyptus oil, It certainly does speed up the cure of a cold more than vitamin C or echinacea.
So it does have a beneficial effect and there are some new strains of flu that are hard to get rid of.
Boy, let me tell you, there are some strains of flu out there that are turning into pneumonia.
In fact, my producer has come down with one of those strains, and the flu itself is gone, but the pneumonia remains.
I went through a very, very difficult time of exactly that recently, and it lasted for going on three months in one form or another.
So there's some pretty rough stuff out there.
Now, who am I to say that these kind of alternative treatments do or do not work?
All I know is that frequently you'll see a story on television, you know, on Fox News or CNN or something that will say, you know, recently We've learned that red wine is good for you or that something that we previously thought was not good for you is suddenly good for you or some old myth of a cure actually has some basis in reality.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
This is Kim in Provo, Utah.
Hi, Kim.
Hi.
I was calling about the dimensional slips.
Yes, ma'am.
And I'll try to make this quick because my battery on my cell phone, I don't know how long it's going to last.
But back in 1987 I was in Los Angeles and I was fairly new there and I had some acquaintances that needed a ride to take their daughter to the hospital in the evening one night so I took them and I wasn't familiar with the downtown Los Angeles area and I had started having some strange experiences and so strange that it kind of made me I freaked out.
I kind of said a prayer and felt that I really needed to leave.
Too many strange things were happening.
Well, give me an example.
What do you mean strange experiences?
Well, it didn't seem like a hospital, first of all.
There was a tower around it with a barbed wire fence and a lot of steps you had to go up into it.
There wasn't very many people.
There were no nurses or doctors.
There were no signs that said it was a hospital.
I just didn't feel right about it.
Plus, some very anomalous things started happening.
I'm sensitive anyways, so I started picking up some energies that I didn't feel that this was a very safe place to be.
So I prayed about it, and I felt I really needed to leave.
And I left.
When I went out of the building, I was in a different place.
And I could see Los Angeles.
I could see it.
I had a good view and when I saw that I wasn't in my normal place, the buildings didn't look right, the city didn't look right, nothing looked normal.
It looked like a whole complete different city with raised walls around Los Angeles and this big raised freeway that was not normal.
It just looked strange and I thought I had died and I started to cry.
Okay, we're almost out of time and you're almost out of battery, so how'd you get out of it?
Well, one of the acquaintances came running up and he said, take my hand and you'll be able to see your car and I said, I can't see the car and I took his hand and I took a step towards him and then over his shoulder I could see the car and I would step in this oval-shaped Now we're absolutely out of time.
I'm sorry, we've got to go.
From Manila in the Philippines, this is Coast to Coast AM.
Can you only experience reality if you're completely unimpaired?
Or are those in an altered state, whether it be imposed by hyperventilating, or taking some sort of drug, or I don't know, whatever it is you might do.
Does that mean you're not in reality?
If everybody goes up to www.coasttocoastam.com and looks at the photograph of my living room, the one I put up there, Do you think everybody would describe it in the same way?
Do you think that picture would strike everybody the same way?
I wonder.
Why don't a few of you do that?
Just go up there to the Coast to Coast AM.com website and describe what you see and we'll
see how many of you see the same thing.
These are completely full and I'll get right back to them, but a couple of fast blasts.
James in Toronto says, I think there is some kind of new strain of flu going around for sure.
I had the worst flu of my life this year, and it too lasted over three months as well.
I thought it would never go away, but finally it did just last week.
Why are the flus lasting so long?
That, my friend, is a very, very good question, one to which I don't have an answer, but perhaps we can get some more feedback from the audience.
William in Vicksburg, Mississippi.
Hello, Mr. Bell.
Just wondering, have you ever tried any mind-altering drugs before?
No comment, William.
And what was your experience during this time?
Just curious.
You know what it did to the cat, William.
I've had a mind-altering experience, and that was during the time that I was on the island of Okinawa.
I was working for KSBK Radio, and at the time, I broke the world's record for continuous disc jockeying.
It amounted to 115 hours and 15 minutes.
Now, during that time, at about, I think it was about halfway through doing that, I went somewhere else.
I completely left where I was.
I was not in communication with any of the people.
I recall talking to some people that were not there.
I recall going to some floors of the building and exploring areas of the building that simply didn't exist.
I mean, I was in a different place.
And that was probably about 70 hours or so into the ordeal.
And then I kind of snapped back, and the only way I was able to keep myself awake I wasn't even allowed the simplicity of the mind-altering drug of coffee.
They allowed me to drink coffee for about the first 20 hours, but they had a doctor
and a nurse there monitoring me.
And I guess my heartbeat got to be too much, and so they cut the coffee off.
And the only way I was able to stay awake was taking little frozen juice, cans of juice,
and putting them up against my jugular vein.
I stayed awake that way.
But trust me when I tell you, I went to a completely different place.
Now sure, you can say sleep deprivation did it, and I'm sure it did.
But once again, it brings us full circle back to what is reality.
I can assure you, I can assure you that everything about where I was and what I was doing was as real as what I'm doing right now, sitting here doing the radio program.
Every bit is real, every bit is solid.
The desk in front of me, the walls around me, everything was as real as it is right now.
So, what is reality?
That's a damn good question.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
How you doing, Art?
I'm doing okay, sir.
Welcome.
This is Joe calling from Austin.
Listening to you on KLBJ AM 590 AM.
Yes, sir.
I have a couple comments.
First of all, on non-drug related altered states of consciousness, specifically Dr. John Lilly.
He began the isolation tank work in the 50s as a PhD scientist using LSD and legally.
And moved beyond that by the 60s and 70s.
And his research, if anyone's looking into this... You're talking about deprivation tanks, right?
Not just that.
His later work with Echelon, not Echelon, sorry about that, the West Coast Big Sur people, was in meditation, was in getting your mind to break out of the loops that we are all programmed into daily.
Uh-huh.
And how to achieve these altered states without utilizing drugs.
There are a large number of ways to do it without utilizing drugs.
I just have been making the point that they are a legitimate area of inquiry.
Certainly are, and I would also, personally I've experienced twice what's called a Zen state of Satori, which is not traveling to another dimension or anything, but certainly
an altered state of consciousness.
Well, can you describe what your reality was at that point?
You feel your oneness with the universe, you feel your purpose,
it all makes sense, you feel the, for lack of a better word, the hand of God.
Okay.
You know, I had an out-of-body experience, Joe, an out-of-body experience, and I can remember that during that instant that I had it, I understood everything.
I was in this absolute, pure, joyful I have one other quick question for you, Art.
Sure.
It's going back a while.
Beyond the words that I just gave you, I can't describe to you the knowing.
I can't describe to you what I knew.
I just knew that I knew it all.
Exactly, and you want it back.
You want it back, yeah.
I have one other quick question for you, Art.
Sure.
It's going back a while.
Did you ever find the family cane?
No.
And we're still looking.
Thank you very, very much.
We had a family cane, the Bell family, and it had inscribed on it the names of the Arthur Bells going back many generations, and I don't know what happened to it.
My mom is still trying to locate it.
It's probably somewhere still in our family, but that cane should have come to me, and we've been looking for it for years.
So, no progress on it, but thank you very much for asking.
West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
Hello.
Did you say West of the Rockies?
Yes, I did.
Okay, yeah, that's me.
That was the cue that the lady gave me.
Well, I, gosh, this is the Third time I've been on the program, and I've had enough stuff happen to me to where you could probably interview me, and the information I give would totally fascinate the listeners.
The only thing is, since I'm not a well-known person, and I don't have the best radio charisma to convey the information, it might not go over that well, but I was trying to think... Well, instead of self-deprecation, why don't you just tell us?
Okay.
One of the things that I used to do in the 70s was use psychedelics with Wicca and witchcraft ceremonies.
We did it literally hundreds and hundreds of times.
We would channel spirits, and a lot of people would say that it was a LSD-induced experience, but the thing with LSD, the hallucinations, you know you're hallucinating.
They're not like You know, it's not like the kind of thing where you can't say, okay, I'm seeing the wall breathe, but I know it's from the drug.
There was other things that would happen that would be beyond explanation.
I'm trying to think of one example that would be kind of interesting for the listeners.
Well, I thought the one you just gave was interesting enough.
You said you saw the wall breathe.
Well, how do we know that that is not in that state actual reality?
I mean, right, it doesn't seem like a wall would breathe, but if you've slipped into another dimension where the physics and the laws of physics are not quite the same, who's to say that a wall doesn't breathe?
So the point I'm trying to make is, That perhaps in another dimension, a wall does breathe.
Stupid as that may sound.
Well, check this out.
There was a friend of mine that we were channeling spirits and we shined a flashlight.
We were by this creek out in the wilderness.
We shined the flashlight down on the ground and we turned the flashlight off and the round spot where the light was shining on the ground was still there.
And we would stick our hand in it And it was almost like there was a light coming from the sky, and we'd stick our hand, our hand was lit up, we'd pull it back in the dark, and we just sat there fascinated, like, this is not real.
And we would walk away, and it was dark, it was at night, and, like, you could see through the bushes, the light.
The further you got away where you couldn't see it anymore, it's because the trees and the lights would cover it.
But as you would get closer, you could see off in the distance, this light on the ground.
This is in the exact same place, and we went back over to this light, and we put our hand down, and it was an illuminated spot, and it wasn't a hallucination.
We're looking up in the sky going, what is this?
And we just could not figure it out, and to this day, it boggles my mind.
But to express some of the legitimacy of these experiences, some of the visions that I had, I was actually interviewed by a homicide detective, and I helped him trace I've tracked down a murderer and I've been interviewed by the FBI.
So then you're some sort of intuitive then?
Yeah, there's some real experiences that took place and I haven't done drugs in years and there's a difference between the methamphetamines and the cocaine and stuff like that and the hallucinogenic drugs.
The hallucinogenic drugs tend to, it seems to open your mind up to a spiritual, kind of a spiritual plane.
Does it really do that?
That's the big $64,000 question.
$64,000 I guess in the modern world isn't really that much money, but it is the metaphorical $64,000 question.
$64,000 question. $64,000 I guess in the modern world isn't really that much money, but it is the
metaphorical $64,000 question. Does it really open your mind to some other reality?
Or is it simply a distortion of the universal reality?
The reality that we all experience.
In other words, if you go up to CostaCostaAM.com, you look at the picture of my living room that I took, so people would know what it looks like here.
Do you all see exactly the same thing, or not?
There's really no way to tell, is there?
I get a number of descriptions from it from many of you, and they come out very differently.
So, just for fun, why don't a few of you go up there, take a look at that photograph.
It's just an incidental photograph that I happened to put up, and describe to me what you see.
Do you think there'll be universal descriptions?
Do you think everybody will see exactly the same thing?
Not necessarily.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
How you doing?
Quite well, sir.
Thank you.
Good, good.
My name is Jason.
I'm calling from Oakville, Ontario, and I've got a quick question for you, and then I want to relate a drug-induced sort of mushroom trip that I had just recently here.
Within two months, I've done mushrooms a few times here, and yeah, it's kind of a trip, but my quick question was, like, David Icke, I haven't been listening to you much, and I was just wondering what your thoughts were on him, but before you tell me that, if so, I'd like A couple months ago, I did some mushrooms, and I was outdoors, and I had closed my eyes.
I didn't think I had done so many, and I had done them before, but this was the first time that... It wasn't a full dinner plate, was it?
No, no, no, it wasn't quite that much, no.
And I had closed my eyes, and I started seeing these Escher-type patterns and puzzles, and they were transforming into other puzzles and patterns, but the shape of the puzzles are like, say, maybe the molecules, The size of it was all in, like, snakeskin.
It was all snakeskin, like, you know, that's what it looked like.
There were snakeskin, you know, Rubik's Cubes turning into other sorts of puzzles and all that.
And I was just wondering how that sort of, well, it sort of ties into the last guy with the reptile, but also, too, just sort of Ike and his theories on reptiles as well, like the reptilian aliens.
And I was just wondering what you thought about all that.
Okay, well, I don't have any specific thoughts to give you on all of that.
I've never seen a reptilian, I've never seen an alien, period.
And I've never seen a reptilian, so I don't know.
I mean, I listen to people like Ike and others describe these sorts of things, and it's fascinating to listen to, but, you know, short of having a personal experience, it's one of those things that's pretty difficult to believe in.
But, you know, who knows.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yes.
Hi, this is Susan from California.
Hi, Susan.
How are you?
Fine.
I have an altered state dimensional experience I wanted to talk to you about.
By all means.
Okay.
I was living in a little town called Llano in New Mexico.
It's halfway between Santa Fe and Taos.
And it was in 1998 and I was meditating.
I'd gotten my kids to sleep.
I was meditating and I started having the feeling of Like things circling above my bed.
Not nothing, you know, just kind of like, you know, spirits circling my bed.
And I thought, wow, that's pretty interesting.
And the next thing you know, I thought I saw a light coming down our dirt road.
And I got up to look out, you know, a big bay window.
And the next thing you know, I'm standing on the road to my house.
And coming up to me is this very tall, attractive, looks human man, except his hair looks metallic.
And he tells me that he wants me to come with him, but we're not talking.
We're having a conversation in another place.
And he tells me he wants me to come with him, and I tell him, well, you know, I don't want to.
My daughter is young.
What if you don't bring me back?
And he said, no, come on.
And he tried to convince me, and finally I said, no, I'm not going.
And he said, okay, what if we bring your daughter?
I said, okay, fine.
So the next thing you know, my daughter is there.
We're standing like on this mound.
There was an old mound.
From building adobes, and it was grown over, and we're standing on top of the mound, and the next thing you know, I have the sensation of moving, but my hair is not blowing, there's no wind in my face, and I'm sitting, and I, you know, kind of feel down, and there's nothing underneath me, but I have the sensation of moving, and you know how the screensaver looks on the, on your computer, like the stars whizzing by?
It looks like that.
The next thing you know, there's a starburst, two starbursts in the sky, and they have wavy Kind of lines in them, like a sunburst, you know, like two little suns, but not bright like a sun, just, you know, these little openings with wavy lines in them, and we pop in there and pop out the other side, and it was like being in a plane, and there was some cloud cover, and then it was like, under the clouds, there was a place, and there was, as we were coming in, there was lots of orange glow, like I knew they were fighting,
Like a war or something?
I wasn't real sure, but I wasn't frightened at all.
Right.
And, um, then he said, um, you know, that we were gonna, he had to prepare, you know, let other people know that we were there.
So when we first got there, just to be kind of still in wait until he had squared everything away and then, you know, um, everything would be okay.
And so we got there and I was raised in an Air Force base, so I'm pretty familiar with hangers and stuff like that.
And it was a, we came into like, what was a hanger, a big, you know, open-spaced building.
And we had flown by these three triangular glass buildings.
It was very strange. I remember thinking it must have been like
a United Nations or something because there were flags, like
a whole bunch of flagpoles and different flags in front. I thought, well that's strange.
So we get in the... Well you must have been in some kind of altered state because
whether your daughter was there or not, I mean you've got to agree, it would be
unusual to agree to simply go with somebody in the middle of the night.
Oh no, he was very charismatic.
I'll tell you what, I haven't seen him since, but if he came back tonight, I'm gone.
You'd go along tonight, huh?
I'm gone.
He was fabulous.
So anyway, we got there.
We were kind of standing behind these shelves.
And someone else came up and my daughter thought that she knew him and she jumped out and started talking to him.
And the gentleman turned around and it was like, oh, you have to go back now.
And I said, what do you mean?
You were going to tell me something.
And he said, no, you have to go back.
And I was very disappointed.
And then I realized we were going back and he wasn't with us.
And I got a little frightened and I heard a giggle, you know, and he threw me something that looked like a Nintendo controller and said, here, have some fun.
And the next thing I know, I'm playing with this thing, and we're... There's one straight road between Santa Fe and Taos, and you can tell it's, you know, tall trees.
We're above the tree line, and I'm playing with the little controller.
I thought it was fun, and we're skipping up and down.
And the next thing, I'm in my bed, and my son is screaming from downstairs, running up the stairs into my bedroom, on fire, screaming, Mom!
Mom!
There's been something in the field for over an hour!
He said it grows green, glows green like my fish bait.
And he said, I don't know what it is.
He said, I think it's an ET.
I couldn't move in my bed.
So we got up and I got up and calmed him down.
And, you know, it took way into the wee hours of the morning to calm him down.
That morning my daughter wanders down from upstairs and she says to me, Mom, how'd you like flying around with those angels last night?
All right, listen, that's where we have to hold it.
I really, really appreciate your call.
That's exactly the kind of thing I was after tonight.
We're talking about, well, what you just heard.
People who, in a conscious state, have gone to what appears to be, for lack of a better phrase, another universe, another reality.
That's another word that's been bouncing around tonight.
From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell.
Yes, indeed, here I am.
Donna in Texas says, well, you know, I see brown sofas and at least two rugs.
Could be more than two.
Aaron is watching a flat screen TV.
You have a grandfather clock.
Why do they call them grandfather clocks?
I don't know.
I have no idea about that one.
I guess because they're old.
But then we get Donnie in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, who says, it looks like there are a lot of bird connotations in that picture, as well as a lot of different abstract things.
At first glance, I see what appears to be a toucan and a nose also.
I've seen hundreds of pictures like that one.
Eric in Atlanta, Georgia says, I see a leather couch with George Norrie in a smoking jacket, holy mackerel, and an ascot talking to Nostradamus in a fishing hat with a thin, bald, grey creature with huge black eyes listening intently, but that's just me.
In a moment, we'll talk about trips to elsewhere.
I'm Art Bell.
Talking about other dimensions, we're going to be doing that tomorrow evening as well as
open lines and they certainly are open tonight.
Anything you want to ask is fair game.
Well, as for the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hey, Art.
This is Dan from Clackamas, Oregon, listening on Mighty 1190, KEX.
Of course.
A question for you on two of your past guests, kind of where they are now.
Mel Waters, have you ever heard any more from him?
Nary a word.
Well, dang it.
You seem like such a nice guy on your interviews.
The other one, you had an interview about two, three years ago with a lady named Morgan Spence regarding shadow people.
Oh, yes.
And it was a fascinating interview.
I had it on tape for a while and lost it.
Well, it actually kind of relates to what we're talking about tonight.
Uh-huh.
And I've Googled her a million times and can't, she's like, she fell off the face of the earth.
But anyway, just wondering whether you might know where it happened to her.
No, I'm sorry I don't and that's, you're right, I mean that's happened to a number of my guests.
They have just virtually fallen off the face of the earth.
Certainly that relates to the time travel guests that I've had.
Of the people that I considered to have legitimately been working on time travel, they're all gone.
They're literally all gone.
I've mentioned them before, Dr. David Anderson is a very good A very good example of that.
And then, of course, well, you all remember the man who stole some Transformers.
He's gone, too.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, Bruce here from California, KFI Country.
How you doing?
Hey, Bruce.
I have two questions, but I want to make a quick statement.
I enjoy a dinner plate full of mushrooms as long as the steak is a good quality cut.
All right.
Okay, question.
There was an interview, either you or George, with a I think it was the mother or somebody that had a very young boy who claimed to be a dead pilot from World War II.
Do you remember that?
No.
No, I don't.
It may have been George, but okay, go ahead.
All right.
And the other one, I was going to ask about Mel Waters with the Hole.
Last time you interviewed him, he was in the Southwest, wasn't he?
And he had some weird experience with... That is absolutely correct, yes.
Yeah.
You know, people mention him, but nobody's mentioned him.
With that seal, with that stuff on it.
That's right.
That's right.
How did you get in touch with him at that time?
He got in touch with me.
Right.
That's the way it worked.
I didn't get in touch with Mel.
Mel got in touch with me.
Right.
One more quick question.
You had a guest on, I don't remember who he was, and he was whining that he wanted to be paid to be on your show.
And you said, we don't do that.
Do you remember who that was?
That's right.
We don't do that.
But who was the guest that was asking that?
It was over a regular guest who was kind of a regular on the program.
The debate really was over whether or not a guest should be paid.
And no matter how good a guest is, it is our contention that they should not be paid.
You know, frequently I'll get emails from people or fast blasts will say, oh no, somebody else selling a book.
Well, that's a legitimate reason to come on a talk show.
You've written a book.
It's a fascinating subject.
It relates to what we're doing and it's absolutely legitimate.
That somebody comes on the show, talks about their subject, and then promos their book.
We give that to them for coming on the program.
But when it comes down to paying a guest to be on the air, then I think that's crossing a line that we ought not cross.
At least that was certainly my position then and remains my position now.
If you were to pay a guest to be on the air, it seems to me they would then have financial incentive to possibly make things up.
Now, I'm not saying they would.
I'm just saying that that's something that you would have to worry about.
If you were doling out the cash to them on a weekly or monthly basis, something like that, they would have incentive to keep going, wouldn't they?
And that incentive could potentially include making things up.
And so it was always my position that paying a guest would be a very, very bad idea.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello, Art.
It's a pleasure to talk with you.
I've been a big fan of Coast to Coast for a number of years now, and the subject you're talking about really fascinates me.
Nearly 20 years ago, I've experimented with LSD with a few of my friends, and one of the things that really sticks in my mind the most is the stories we would tell each other, the experiences we had.
And they were all different.
We've seen different things.
We experienced different things.
But I think the one thing that always remained with me is a feeling or a sense that there's definitely something bigger out there.
Something definitely much larger than just this physical realm that we're in now.
Well, I absolutely agree with you.
I think so.
Whether it's a chemically induced experience or it comes in some other way, and there are many ways to induce an altered state, that does seem to be a universal conclusion that there's something far bigger.
Absolutely, and like you just pointed out, there's several different ways for humanity to experience this.
I think drug-induced is probably the easiest way to experience it.
I'm a very spiritual person.
I just never really committed to a religion, but the Bible does mention that we are created in their image.
I don't necessarily think that means in a physical image.
I think that also is a spiritual or a mental image as well.
Yeah, you have every right to believe that, and I might even share that view with you.
I think the underlying to that statement there is letting us know that we almost have a power within ourselves to create realities.
Listening to your show, listening to all your past guests and everything, what I really look forward to is the afterlife.
And I think that one of the things we are to do here on Earth is to almost create A utopia for ourselves in an afterlife.
And I think by some of these drug-induced or meditation, you know, whatever forms people try to use to experience this alternate reality, I think it's almost a glimpse into what our deepest conscious is telling us about ourselves.
An experience to a dimension, if you will.
As to where we need to be to perfect ourselves to reach that utopia.
Yeah, that all makes sense to me.
Just flat makes sense to me.
So the only thing that I'm concerned about, maybe you want to take a stab at an answer to this is, you know, a lot of people believe in reincarnation toward, you know, working toward perfection, right?
I believe that.
Okay, you do.
Then perhaps you'd be the one to answer this.
What good does reincarnation do anybody if there's no conscious memory of it?
How can one improve on oneself if there's no conscious memory of what deed was done that needs to be rectified or improved upon in the next life?
I don't think that it's, in my opinion, I don't believe that, let's see if I can put it this way.
Human beings are really stuck on this physical properties.
We're worried about mortgage payments.
We're worried about cars.
I think if we were to carry on a memory that revolved around physical objects like that, we would never truly reach a spiritual goal that we were meant to reach.
I think that we do have a memory.
of past lives.
You just don't think it includes material things?
You think it includes just spiritual movement?
Absolutely, and I think that's why it's not so easy for us to remember it, because we're not meant to remember physical.
We're meant to just self-improvement, spiritual improvement.
It's fascinating.
You know, in the West, my friend, we're particularly, I don't know, I guess moved to acquire the physical.
The Eastern philosophies, the Eastern religions are much more spiritual and so maybe they advance quicker.
It's very possible.
It's fascinating if you talk about different religions.
It's fascinating to look at The different religions around the world, how they all have an underlying tone that is exactly the same.
Boy, they sure do.
And, you know, that's really the core of the issue, I think.
But some religions are literally lived by those who believe them.
Other religions are sort of, I don't know, you know, people go to church on Sunday and then go and act the way they want to act during the rest of the week.
Right, right.
And I think it's up to us as individuals to reach that point of existence within ourselves to say, this is what it's all about.
I believe we keep reincarnating to reach that level, reach that utopia within ourselves.
And I believe once that goal is achieved, maybe that's the end.
Maybe we gradually mature and become a mentor for another spirit.
Got it.
All right.
Thank you very, very much for the call.
And that's sort of exactly where I was.
Let's try Kelly in Illinois, I believe.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
Good morning, Art.
Good morning.
I have something weird that happens to me during storms.
It seems like every time that I have to go to the bathroom during a storm, the power goes out.
And it's like 90% of the time.
You think there's a relationship between the urge and the power?
I have no clue because I will wait and wait and wait during storms because I hate the dark anyway.
So in other words, cause and effect.
You think that if you go in and go to the bathroom, the power is going to go out, right?
Well, I'll tell you what.
The last two days it has stormed.
I went into the bathroom and the power went out.
So, is it actually the storm and a stroke of lightning, or is it your urge that's turning the power off for hundreds of thousands of people?
I have no idea, but I hate the dark and I'm scared to death to go to the bathroom during the storm.
Well, for the sake of people's televisions and stereos and computers and all that, hold it.
I definitely try to.
And my husband and I were having a debate one day, because it was storming out, and I had to go, and he's like, just go.
And I'm like, no, the power will go out if I get up to go.
And I waited, and sure enough, I got up to go, and four steps into going to the bathroom, walking down the hall, the power goes out.
And your husband said what?
He just shut his mouth.
I said, see, I told you the power would go out.
Um, I have no idea what to say except for the sake of your appliances, I don't know, hold on or something, alright?
Take care.
I'm sorry.
I cut you off a little early there.
Nancy in Florida, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi.
I'm still laughing from that one.
That was good.
How are you Art?
I'm very well indeed.
Oh my gosh, I am so excited to be able to get through to you.
You couldn't tell you how many times I've tried.
But I know that I need to be brief, so I'll try to get to the point.
The gentleman you had on before kind of touched on some of the topics that I wanted to kind of get into, and to kind of go past where he had left off.
I've had experiences, you know, in the 70s that were drug-induced.
I've had many, many, many out-of-body experiences throughout my life, and I have had I'd say probably five experiences that were actually stepped into that other realm, and if I go back and kind of look at things from the beginning, it's almost as if, at least for me, but I think it might be true for a lot of people, you have to, in order to forget those mortgage payments and all those other things so that you can open your mind and your body to the experience that's about to happen, that's why I think
Some people use the drugs, and I think out of body can get you there, but what you don't have is you don't have the physicality of the experience.
And when you do it physically, and you know that it's happening at that moment, and it's not just, and it's not the drugs, and it's not out of body, it is a physical experience.
A gentleman you had on the other night touched on something that I've had experience every time that I have it in this way, the way we're talking about stepping into this other place.
I experienced, and the only way I can describe it, is smallness to bigness.
And that seems very simplistic, I know, but he was trying to say, I think, that he doesn't necessarily think there's multiple universes, it's more like there's this one universe But there's layers.
Okay.
And I think that's what I experience in this smallness to bigness.
Can you describe any of the changes that you observed when you moved from one to the other?
Yes.
You had someone on earlier that described that things got muted for them or something like that.
For me, things become much crisper.
I'm a very visual person, I'm a photographer, so perhaps it's that way for me because I expect it or want it to be that way, I'm not sure.
But it's always, everything is more vibrant.
Everything glows.
I am part of everything.
Everything's part of me.
The trees, the rocks, the place that I'm at, we're all part of each other.
Well, those who have had psychedelic-induced experiences describe it almost exactly the same way.
Exactly.
Yes, and that's the thing of it.
It's like whether you do it with drugs, you don't do it with drugs, I would think that the experience would be the same.
It's just that some people maybe need that other opportunity in order to break a barrier and really believe that this is possible.
Could easily be.
You know, and I think probably the richest one that I had is a place that I've been back to twice, and I hope that I go back again.
The place is a... I'm the same me, and the people around me are people that I've known before in this lifetime.
Physical people, but they're not close friends.
They're not people that I know well.
They're just acquaintances or people I've met before.
and it's almost like a meeting place for people to go to and there's a hot tub there and when
you're sitting in the hot tub one direction is very volcanic a very almost Vulcan you know type
looking thing from something you might have seen on Star Trek and then on the other side it's a
a very common street that you might see in any northern city and that's where the homes are
Yeah.
And it's very natural.
We're running out of time.
Listen to me.
Hold on.
Hold on.
We're running out of time.
The show is ending, so I'm going to have to go.
What brings you out of this very quickly?
Awe.
Awe?
Yeah.
I am so enamored and so thankful to the universe to allow me to have the experience in the first place.
And that pops you right out of it.
All right, listen, we've got to go open lines once again tomorrow night, so I'm getting my wish and doing lots of open lines.
Tomorrow night we'll be discussing much the same sort of thing, that is travel to other universes, from Manila in the Philippines to the world.
I'm Art Bell.
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