Father Rama Coomaraswamy, a Harvard-educated ex-surgeon and Catholic priest, discusses demonic possession—distinguishing "perfect possession" (voluntary surrender to Satan) from obsession—while criticizing Vatican II’s reforms as spiritually destructive, claiming they invalidated sacraments like the New Mass. He links pedophilia and schizophrenia to clergy failures, rejects women’s priestly roles citing Christ’s maleness, and clarifies Catholicism’s stance on homosexuality as sinful despite loving individuals. A caller’s account of her husband’s "perfect possession" aligns with Malachi Martin’s warnings, while Coomaraswamy’s sedevacantist views deny modern popes’ authority if they abandon doctrine. The episode underscores deep divisions between traditionalist faith and contemporary interpretations, framing evil as both a tangible force and a consequence of institutional drift. [Automatically generated summary]
Kumar Aswami, that's his name, and he was apparently a friend of Father Malachi Martin's.
So it should be actually very, very, very interesting.
We've got all kinds of questions for him about exorcisms and entities and just all kinds of things.
So Father Kumara Swami.
That's better.
Kumara Swami.
I can just stick with that.
All right.
Let's look briefly at the world.
Never a great pleasure.
Though the ensemble drama Crash pulled off one of the biggest upsets in Academy Award history, winning Best Picture Sunday over the cowboy romance Brokeback Mountain, which had been the front runner, Crash, featuring a huge cast in crisscrossing storylines over a chaotic 36-hour period in L.A., wrote a late surge of praise that lifted it past Brokeback Mountain, a film that had won most other key Hollywood honors.
Iran has threatened, in fact, it did threaten on Sunday to embark on a full-scale uranium enrichment if the UN nuclear agency presses for action over its atomic program.
Now, here we're not so happy about that.
At hop, U.S. diplomat warned the Islamic Republic of possible, quote, painful consequences, end quote.
Now, when a U.S. government guy warns a country of possible painful consequences, what do you think we might mean?
Comments came as the International Atomic Energy's Board prepared to meet Monday to discuss referring Iran to the U.N. Security Council, but delegates said whatever step the council might take would somehow stop short of sanctions.
I have a feeling when we're talking about painful consequences, we're not talking about diplomacy.
But I could be wrong.
AT ⁇ T is doing something interesting.
The government, you'll recall, came along and broke up AT ⁇ T. They said, you're too big.
You're too much of a monopolistic entity.
And so we are going to break you up.
Well, AT ⁇ T is going to buy Bell South.
Now, that's one of the baby Bells.
And so it looks like the Bells are getting back together.
And maybe AT ⁇ T will buy them all back, and then we'll have just AT ⁇ T again.
Then the government have to come along again and bring them up again.
Never should have broken up AT ⁇ T in the first place.
In a moment, I'll tell you about some new paint.
This paint is amazing.
It's a nanotechnological wonder, and it might affect your cell phone.
That's right, your cell phone in a moment.
The End Kumara Swami.
Kumara Swami.
I've got to get that.
This is going to be an interesting guy.
He received early education in India in an Orthodox Hindu setting.
But get this.
Then he graduated from Harvard University and went on to medical school.
Then, check this out.
He spent 30 years as a thoracic and cardiovascular surgeon.
30 years, retrained in psychiatry, and then in 97 was ordained by the traditional rites in the Roman Catholic Church.
Wow.
That's some background.
A Rochester, New York company has developed paint.
Now this paint can switch between blocking cell phone signals and allowing them through.
You could use this, for example, in a concert hall, allowing cell phones to work before the concert and during breaks, but during the performance, one click of the switch and none of them work.
That's a quote from the president of Natural Nano.
Natural Nano.
Natural Nano.
I like that name.
Maybe I ought to interview this guy, huh?
Natural Nano.
He's got a hard name to pronounce, too.
Looks like Riedlinger or something.
Natural Nano.
That's a bit of a contradiction, isn't it?
Nanotechnology is the arrangement of molecules in a specific way by man.
So why would you call it natural nano?
I don't know.
That just caught my attention.
Down in North Texas, they've got some unusual light sitters showing up in the world of paranormal.
Experts there are saying there are many phenomena that can occur involving light, but one North Texas church has reported not only the appearance of orbs, but other religious manifestations.
Riverwalk Fellow Church is a charismatic church in Halton City.
The services aren't exactly traditional, neither are some of the reported phenomena happening there lately.
The church's senior pastor, Steve Solomon, I can pronounce that.
Maybe I ought to interview him, a Messianic Jew, a Jew who believes Jesus is his or her Messiah, has reported, among other things, an oil substance manifesting on the balcony and on the baptismal and the pulpit of the sanctuary, one of the church's prayer intercessors.
Velva Alexander was the first person to discover the oil when entering the sanctuary one day and simply touching one of the columns in the church, says her initial reaction was, somebody better call the pastor, because oil don't come out of wood and brass.
Alexander said when the pastor first heard about it, thought something had broken, thus their investigation into the whole matter began.
Solomon said as people began taking pictures of the oil, something else began to appear in the pictures.
He said we'd started taking pictures at church, and almost everyone would just take a picture, and all these orbs would show up.
We decided to pay a visit to the church and take our own picture.
It revealed a large blue orb hovering over a woman's head as she was being Prayed over.
Now, that was the investigator of this story who had that bit of proof dropped in her lap.
Of course, I guess most of you know that Harry Brown, and I interviewed Harry Brown a couple of times as a Libertarian candidate for the presidency, has passed away.
I'm so, so sorry about that.
Harry Brown was quite a guy.
Now, that's kind of old news now, but I didn't want to let it pass by without saying something.
Harry Brown was quite a man.
Now, the following story I'm reading for as much for my own amusement as yours.
You might have heard it, I don't know, but I enjoyed it, so here it comes.
Only a guy would probably do this.
This was submitted by a guy who purchased his lovely wife a pocket taser for their anniversary.
Well, little hint here, guys.
Tasers are really cool, but you don't buy one for your wife's anniversary.
Last weekend, I saw something at Larry's Pistol and Pawn Shop that sparked my interest.
The occasion was our 22nd wedding anniversary, and I was looking for a little, you know, something extra for my wife Tony.
What I came across was a 100,000-volt pocket pursed taser.
The effects of the taser were supposed to be short-lived, with no long-term adverse effect on your assailant, thus allowing her or him adequate time to retreat safety.
Way cool, I thought.
Long story short, I bought the device and I brought it home.
I loaded two AAA batteries in the darn thing and pushed the button.
Nada.
I was rather disappointed.
I learned, however, that if I pushed the button and pressed it against a metal surface at the same time, I'd get this really cool blue arc of electricity darting back and forth between the prongs.
Awesome.
Unfortunately, I have yet to explain to Tony what that burn spot is on the face of her microwave.
Okay, so here I am at home with this new toy, thinking to myself, well, couldn't be all that bad.
It's only got two AAA batteries, right?
Little bitty things.
So there I sat my recliner.
Me and my cat Gracie.
Gracie looking at me intently, trusting little soul, while I was reading the directions and thinking that I really needed to try this thing out on some kind of flesh and blood moving target.
I must admit I thought about zapping Gracie for just a fraction of a second and then thought better of it.
She's a sweet cat.
But if I was going to give this thing to my wife to protect herself against any potential mugger, well, certainly I needed some assurance that it would work as advertised.
Am I wrong?
So I sat there in a pair of shorts and a tank top with my reading glasses perched delicately on the bridge of Minot's directions in one hand, taser in the other.
The directions said that a one-second burst would shock and disorient your assailant.
A two-second burst was supposed to cause muscle spasms and a major loss of bodily control.
A three-second burst would purportedly make your assailant flop on the ground like a fish out of water.
Any burst longer than three seconds would be wasting the batteries.
All the while, I'm looking at this little device, measuring about five inches long, less than three-quarters of an inch in circumference, pretty cute, really, and loaded with two itsy little bitty AAA batteries, thinking to myself, no way.
What happened next is nearly beyond description, but I will do my best.
I'm sitting there alone, Gracie looking on with her head cocked to one side as if to say, Don't do it, master.
Reasoning that a one second burst from such a tiny little thing couldn't hurt that bad, so I decided to give myself a one second burst just for the heck of it.
I touched the prongs to my naked thigh, pushed the button, and holy mother weapons of mass destruction.
I'm pretty sure Jesse Ventura ran in through the side door, picked me up in the recliner, and then body slammed us both on the carpet over and over again.
I vaguely recall waking up on my side in the fetal position, with tears in my eyes, body soaking wet, both nipples on fire, testicles nowhere to be found, my left arm tucked under my body in the oddest position, and a lot of tingling in my legs.
The cat was standing over me, making meowing sounds I've never heard before, licking my face, undoubtedly thinking to herself, do it again, do it again.
If you ever feel compelled to mug yourself with a taser, one note of caution.
There is no such thing as a one second burst when you zap yourself.
You will not let go of the thing until it is actually dislodged from your hand by a violent thrashing about on the floor.
A three second burst would be considered conservative.
Son of a that hurt like hell.
A minute or so later, I can't be sure as time seemed to be a relative thing at that point.
I collected my wits, what little I had left, sat up and surveyed the landscape.
My bent reading glasses were on the mantle of the fireplace.
How in the hell did they get up there?
My triceps, right thigh, and both nipples were twitching.
My face felt like it had been shot up with Novocaine, and my bottom lip weighed 88 pounds.
I'm still looking for my testicles.
I'm offering a significant reward for their safe return.
Still in shock, Tommy.
Well, it is a guy kind of thing.
All right.
Let's take some unscreened, random, God only knows what might be coming calls.
But anyway, thank you so much for everything you've done.
I guess I'm a driver, been a driver all my life, and I found you back, I think, in 91 or 92, and I've never tried calling in because I knew I just wouldn't make it.
I very much, of course, enjoy all the truckers out there.
And I'll tell you, it was a lot of fun when I was RVing.
And, you know, I'd get out there in the RV, and I turn on the CB radio.
I'm not ashamed of it.
I've got a CB radio in the RV.
And, you know, you get talking to the truckers.
And a very, very, I think, to be honest with you, more truckers, and I've said this before on the program, listen to this program as they traverse the highways and byways of America than any other radio program in existence, period.
I mean, there was never a trucker out there that I could not talk to on CB who didn't know who I was and what the show was all about.
Now, some of them didn't believe it was me, but that's all right.
I just wanted to tell you about an interesting experience I had the other, or last week, I guess.
Just kind of sitting in my chair at my house, and early in the morning, just the birds just started, it was probably about 3 a.m., birds just started chirping really kind of wildly.
The birds shouldn't do that until the sun begins coming up.
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Yeah, it was at least 3 o'clock or so.
But later on that morning, I just so happened to fall asleep in the same chair and was watching television, and a bird actually flew into the window and kind of it made a thud sound and started flapping around, just kind of right outside.
And I'll tell you a story that I don't really know if I want to tell, but I'll tell.
I don't know if I believe in these things or not, but I believe that birds are harbingers.
Now, I may have told this story on the air when my father died.
A little bat came and landed on our porch, and I took the little guy, and Ramona and I put him in the causeway between our house and the garage, and he recovered, and when dark came, he just flew away.
It was very hot out there.
That was one that happened just when my dad died.
And then before we left on our trip, the last trip for Ramona, when we were on vacation, when it happened.
The day before I left, a bird, I was out on the porch, and a bird, how odd is this, at night, came onto the porch, you know, hovering basically, and came up to my face, right up to my face, and I could feel its little wings beating on my face as it hovered there.
This is a wild, you know, who knows what, finch or some bird, and it just flapped right in my face.
I could actually feel its wings up against my cheek.
And I've kind of come to view these sorts of encounters, since that gentleman mentioned that, as being harbingers.
don't know of good, bad, but certainly of change.
Listening to that commercial with regard to shopping, that was exactly right.
I'd rather wait in the car.
And I always did wait in the car.
Now, I'm doing all my own shopping, and I have become convinced that for whatever devious reason it might be, many stores intentionally hide certain products, making it impossible for the normal person to find in the array of possible products.
I mean, if you're looking for toothpaste, there will be every kind of toothpaste.
Hey, I wanted to let you know that you came up with something a couple months ago, and I wanted to call and tell you that you were right on.
But you said that basically the reasons that, you know, we didn't hear anything about UFOs or flying saucers, or even the term flying saucer didn't come out until 1947.
And you said, well, did the nuclear bomb have anything to do with it?
Well, the one thing that is definitely constant in the universe is nuclear fusion.
If you look at all the suns, most of them work off of that.
Just by going out there and looking, we can see that.
It would be the one thing that would differentiate a very important point for any civilization.
When that thing went off, it would absolutely be a marker.
Oh, look, they've discovered Element 92.
Now we better pay attention.
And of course, since then, we've had endless UFO sightings.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
unidentified
All right, so good to talk to you.
Thanks for taking my call.
Professor here in Columbus, Georgia.
Yes, sir.
I wanted to refresh your memory about a few things.
Last week with Aaron Donahue revealing that remote viewing was done with Luciferian help and demonic help, I just wanted to point out to you all those years ago when you first started interviewing Malachi Martin, the year would have been 1996.
I remember where I was standing in my kitchen when Malachi Martin revealed that he had been called to the Pentagon on one of your interviews.
He said that they had called him.
Yes, he knew about remote viewing.
They had called him to the Pentagon many times to do exorcisms from what some of those chaps had got from their demonic interactions.
Well, you know, certainly it came from across the seas.
I mean, the people who were living here 500 years ago and for much time before that were people who recognized that the Earth was here, that we were interconnected with it.
And they were not all perfect people either, but they recognized that we had to take care of everything, take care of it for the next seven generations.
And with regard to peace, dear lady, a lot of people, of course, have promulgated the idea of mass consciousness directed toward peace.
What I worry about, and I know this may seem silly to you, I have now concluded and firmly believe that directed mass consciousness absolutely does work, but it doesn't always work as intended.
So it could be, for example, that you would want, you would study and just concentrate and go into all kinds of you know, we could have millions of people concentrating on peace, and then it could all get turned around on us.
I mean, there could be a big nuclear war and then there'd be peace.
Peace is.
All I'm trying to say is that somehow, without knowing exactly what we're doing and directing mass consciousness, I really am concerned that we would do the wrong thing.
I think we need to do investigation, very heavy investigation, into this area and then begin to tentatively explore.
Oh, this thing is just cackling away at me, right?
And it won't shut up.
And I want to sleep.
So I get up, I go outside, the goose follows, I was living in a trailer, so you know, you can hear people walking inside the trailer.
The goose followed me.
He was waiting in front of my front door when I went out and just started cooing at me.
And I thought, what is this?
When I was a kid, my brother and I were feeding geese at a pond, and my brother got his hand too close to the goose's mouth with popcorn, and damn near took his hand off.
So I'm scared of the goose, right?
But before I know it, this goose has got his neck wrapped around my leg, and he's got his wing up, and he's patting me on the bottom.
It's something that I think I'll, if I'm able to, if I can find a guest on the subject, I'll explore it.
unidentified
Oh, I would love that because it's one of the most, I mean, I've done a Google on it before, and it's this heavy, mystical thing, but it's fascinating.
I haven't spoken with you for about a year now, but, oh, by the way, I live with seven felines, so I completely concur with your feeling with regards to them.
Art, the reason why I wanted to call tonight, I wanted to share with you a rather extraordinary, mysterious murder that took place either two weeks ago tonight or tomorrow morning in Mexico in the Yucatan Peninsula.
There was a couple who had gone down to a resort from a small town north of Toronto to celebrate their daughter's upcoming wedding, which was going to be taking place on the 22nd of February.
And on the Monday morning, everybody had congregated for breakfast.
The parents weren't there.
The staff went up and found the two people had had their throats slit.
All right, well, I'm going to hold it right there because it sounds like a case that is still being in the investigation stage, and I'm not so sure that I want to proceed with that line of discussion.
I'm very sorry to hear about that, of course.
And you do take your chances when you go to a foreign country.
Americans really have to remember that other countries are a bit more dangerous than America is.
Other countries don't have quite the same rights as we are used to here in America.
I think a lot of Americans who have not traveled think or feel that these rights are kind of universal.
Let me tell you, they're not.
And you can get in an awful lot of trouble in a foreign country without any recourse as you would have here in America.
So check into the laws of wherever you go.
It can be dangerous.
Most of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Good morning, Art.
Or, well, actually, it's not morning there, is it yet?
Yeah, and begin to investigate the cost of solar panels.
Begin to investigate, be very careful when you get to the inverters you're going to use, assuming that you're going to use the power instead of selling it back.
So if you're going to use the power, you've got to be very careful about the inverters you get.
You want to get true sine wave inverters, and if you get the right ones, and I don't want to give a company name here, but if you get the right ones, you'll have better power, a more pure sine wave, better for your equipment, like CD players and that kind of thing, than the power company could ever deliver to you in a million years.
unidentified
Now, the sine wave, that's the nice round wave and not a square wave?
As I mentioned earlier, in an Orthodox Hindu setting, he then, amazingly, I mean, what a change, graduated from Harvard University and then went on to medical school.
He spent 30 years as a thoracic and cardiovascular surgeon.
Holy mackerel.
Then following his retirement from surgery, he retrained in psychiatry.
He's published fairly extensively, both in the fields of medicine and theology.
In 97, he was ordained by the traditional rites in the Roman Catholic Church.
At present, he teaches and maintains a small practice in psychiatry, mostly dealing with problems involving the interface between religion and psychiatry.
That alone should be interesting.
So all kinds...
In a moment, this should be quite an adventure.
Father Malachi Martin became actually a close friend.
Father Martin and I had many, many exchanges, not just those that were on the air, but very private exchanges.
So I believe Father Kumaraswamy knew Father Martin.
And we developed a close friendship after that, and I would say that we probably had lunch or dinner every other week for the last two to three years of his life.
And then, of course, the Vatican sort of released, although I don't for one second believe that they released the real McCoy, but they did release what they said was the third secret.
I read the ritual, and someone who was very close to Malachi brought a statue of St. Michael, the archangel, which I blessed, which probably had more to do with the subsequent aspect of the story because I met the individual three years later, and they said that it was very successful.
I would say they're very, very few and far between because most people don't really believe in the devil, and they certainly don't believe in exorcisms.
And you have observed this, and then gone on to exorcism.
The exorcisms that you did and Father Malachi did, were these authorized exorcisms by the Catholic Church, or were they sort of, I don't know what the right word is, but decisions made by Father Malachi without the usual church procedure for authorizing it?
Well, the reason why the church requires a bishop's permission is simply because they don't want people going off who are immature, who are seeking after sensations and so forth.
And so usually the bishop will appoint, under normal circumstances, a mature priest who is also holy.
Now Malachi first was involved with exorcisms when he was in Cairo.
An exorcism was being carried on by a priest and his assistant had got sick.
And this priest called Malachi up and said, would you mind assisting?
So Malachi did that.
And shortly after that, he was back in Rome.
And he told me, he said, I knew nothing about this aspect of things.
It was not taught to me in the seminary.
And so I began to study it and investigate it with various exorcists in Rome.
I agree with you, but, you know, there's so much for a priest to learn in the seminary that it's very easy for a certain area to be neglected, and this is one that often is.
I'm not a Catholic, so I'm probably going to ask stupid questions, but that did amaze me that in seminary you would not cover that which you're trying to stay away from, that which essentially is the enemy, that which just astounds me.
There is absolutely no proof, despite tremendous efforts to find such, that such exists.
And the main objection to the claim is that if there is a genetic aspect to it, then homosexuality would die out because by and large, they don't reproduce.
It's a good point, I suppose, unless the genetic transmission is, you know, like much genetics, it skips, hops, and skips generations, that kind of thing.
All right, Father, with that in mind, in the Bible, what would you quote in the Bible to uphold your point of view, or the church's point of view, with regard to homosexuality?
I can't quote them off the top of my head, but there are passages both in the Old and the New Testament that speak against homosexuality.
But I should also emphasize, because in my book on the destruction of the human, of the Christian tradition, there's a chapter that deals with Scripture and also deals with what's called tradition.
So for a Catholic, one is not entirely dependent upon Scripture.
One also depends upon the traditional teachings of the Church, which are found outside of Scripture.
Well, in essence, I think the Christian tradition, which includes Scripture, has been under attack for the last 300 years, and it has been all but destroyed.
It cannot be completely destroyed because it speaks to the truth, and you can't destroy the truth.
But certainly the ordinary way in which the church presents itself has been drastically changed.
And ever since Vatican II, which is also discussed in the destruction of the Christian tradition, ever since then, the kind of destructive forces have been, as it were, officially put into the middle of the church.
Well, I've heard stories that, for example, at one time, reincarnation was embraced by the church as what occurred, and that a certain council, Nicia, I believe it was, virtually erased that from Scripture.
Well, I certainly think that reincarnation is not a Catholic belief, even though I'm told that at certain polls, that as many as a third of Catholics believe in it.
Actually, reincarnation is, strictly speaking, not even a Hindu belief, though there are many people in India who do believe in reincarnation.
In fact, also I would add that there's nothing in the Quran about reincarnation.
So I think that even the word was hardly in use in the English language 300 years ago.
Well, mostly it is the spiritualists who have talked about reincarnation rather than theologians.
And spiritualism kind of believes that they believe the soul evolves and grows and goes through various reincarnations until somehow or other it gets to that stage where it becomes one with something or another.
Well, I can tell you that the first edition, which I put out, oh, must be 20, 25 years ago, I was told by the bishop's associate that they were going to put me under interdict.
And while we're here, we'll come back to this, but while we're here, you have gone through, in your life, such an odd group of transitions that I really do have to ask about that.
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I think I've had many reincarnations in this life.
From Hindu to medical school to 30 years in surgery doing really rough surgery, thoracic and cardiovascular, rough stuff, and then into the priesthood.
Well, if we could measure it, then we'd know if the love that this homosexual gentleman claims to have for his mate is the same quality of love that a man might have for his wife.
And if we could measure it and be sure it was the same, then I don't know how it could be evil.
There was a movie which gave me a great line, and I will usually line somebody up for the duck shoot by asking them, you know, when we're talking about matters of faith and things like that, I will ask them, do you love your mother?
Well, of course, the answer is yes, and then I respond by, prove it.
Prove it.
Well, you can't prove you love because you just can't.
Father Malachi Martin frequently said to me, or one time at least, certainly said to me, that many people, many, many people are what he called perfectly possessed.
It was an idea that really resonated with me, that in essence, they've made their deal with evil, whatever deal that is.
They may have not said a word aloud.
They did it quietly within their own brains and simply made a deal with the devil that they would be successful in life, that they would do well, they would get love, whatever.
And that deal is well in place and working, and he called Them perfectly possessed and said he knew them when he passed them on the street.
There is no question that he had some sort of gift.
I wonder, and it's a strange thing to wonder, Father, but I wonder if, in fact, he did have a gift that some of us would call in the paranormal realm, but because of his background and because of his devotion to the church, he would just naturally attribute to something from God.
Now, it's a very interesting thing that the will has a certain freedom.
And this speaks to something, again, that cannot be measured.
But even someone who is perfectly possessed, there is an element of freedom in the will so that he can go to a priest and say, look, I made a mistake.
Please help me.
But nevertheless, someone who willingly gives his will to Satan is obviously completely possessed by him because complete possession implies the control of someone totally.
And if you control the person's will totally, then you are, as it were, completely in the possession of the person who controls it.
However, most people, complete possession is not that usual.
Usually people are under attack and they may be possessed or obsessed.
And, you know, it's a different situation than that sense of complete possession.
Including being a physician and doing surgery for 30 years and now a Catholic priest.
I've got a very good friend who works for the Intel Corporation.
I'm not going to give his last name, but I happen to wander out and he sent me a fax.
Now, many people have my fax number these days, but he faxed me.
Don't know if I told you this, Harvard, but I went to lunch with Malachi Martin when I was in New York on Intel business about a year before his death.
I'm still amazed he took the time to talk.
I sent him a fax and introduced myself, mentioned I've been a guest on your show and he agreed to meet.
Well, you might know who this is now.
He was very gracious.
I met him at his apartment.
We went to a nice nearby restaurant on the Upper East Side where he lived.
Then went back to his place afterward and helped him a bit with a computer problem.
I asked him twice about the third secret over lunch, but he nicely deflected the question, except he said it was very bad news.
He spent a great deal of time talking about his displeasure with the local New York church hierarchy and how the current church had strayed from the old traditional mass.
And let me take just a second to point out that the reason for the increase of evil activity is related to everything that I speak of in my book on the destruction of the Christian tradition.
It also has a whole chapter on why the new mass is...
Well, that probably will, but nevertheless, just consider the fact that the new Mass does not use the words that Christ specified should be used in the consecration of the Host.
They've changed the words of Christ.
Now, for anyone who believes that Christ was both the way and the truth, to change his words takes a lot of chutzpah.
Well, I think that fundamentally, and I go into this in great detail in my book on the destruction of the Christian tradition, fundamentally they decided they wanted to make one world religion.
Now, Malachi spoke about this.
He said that there were three major forces underlying much that's going on today.
The desire for a one-world economy, the desire for a one-world government, and the desire for a one-world religion.
And this, of course, is the driving force under Vatican II, the Second Vatican Council, and it's the driving force of the whole new church, which is, in a certain sense, no longer the Catholic Church.
And they will sacrifice everything for the sake of this unity.
And this I go into, as I say, in considerable detail in the destruction of the Christian tradition.
Giving you just an example, they have virtually destroyed the apostolic succession and the making of bishops, which of course means that the priests in the new church are not priests.
Well, I think a great deal of it has to do with the fact that the clergy are not saying a valid Mass.
If you consider the fact that when you say a true Mass, that is the Tridentine Mass, you are opening your soul, your very being, to what comes from above.
When you say a false Mass, you're playing with rituals, but you're not opening yourself to what is above, you're opening yourself to what is below.
I would like to tell you a very interesting story.
I had a young girl who was possessed, and actually Malachi was the one who saw her and made this diagnosis.
I had been treating her as having schizophrenia, and other psychiatrists had treated her for various diagnoses.
But I became suspicious.
In any event, she said to me one day, you don't understand pedophilia.
And I was somewhat taken aback because, after all, I'm the expert.
And so I said to her, well, tell me, what don't I understand?
And she said, the joy of pedophilia is the destruction of innocence.
How frequently, Father, do you think that schizophrenia is misdiagnosed?
How frequently, and I've asked others this, I have an intense curiosity about it.
I mean, what do we know?
We're, in quotes, normal people, and we look at these people who are talking to somebody or others or listening to voices or all of the rest of it, and we automatically label them, of course, as schizophrenics or crazy.
But how many do you suppose might be misdiagnosed and actually might be possessed?
Well, I can Say this: that we know that probably 1% of the population has schizophrenia.
This seems to be true across all nations.
But the question of distinguishing schizophrenia from a given possessed person can be very tricky.
And there is a certain amount of writing in the literature about that.
If such a person gets an exorcism, no one is going to be harmed by an exorcism.
The idea that it's going to give people trauma is just an old wives' tale.
So that if one cannot actually and with certainty distinguish, one would certainly say in charity that one should try an exorcism.
But at the same time, it used to be true in psychiatric hospitals that when a priest would come in carrying the Blessed Sacrament and walk through a ward, maybe to give someone the last rites, usually one or two people would go absolutely berserk and want to attack the priest.
In cases like that, one had to say that perhaps these were possessed people rather than schizophrenics.
Again, coming back to the church's problem with pedophilia and priests, Father, why does it appear to be, I'm careful I'm using the word appear to be, hitting the Catholic Church disproportionately hard as compared with the general population?
And I don't have any stats to back me up on that, so I may be wrong, but it seems that way.
So it's so far off course, Father, that in essence the church and its representatives are being disproportionately having this visited upon them in some sort of vengeful act?
Well, in a certain sense, I think they would consider me not Catholic, and certainly I would not consider myself Catholic in the sense that I am in obedience to the situation going on in Rome.
In essence, for instance, the Old Mass, though they cover it up with all kinds of linguistic gains, but the Old Mass is in essence forbidden.
Well, there are consequences for a priest who performs the Old Mass.
Now, I think I should mention that I believe that Ratfinger, Benedict XVI, will probably allow the Old Mass to be said, but it's going to be said by priests who aren't ordained.
And so it becomes, again, a kind of joke or smoke in our eyes.
Basically, I wanted to, number one, offer a little bit of assistance into a demonstration on the existence of the devil.
And Art, I think that at least as far as you have said before, I think you have a feeling that there is truly evil in the world, and there are evil people.
Well, I think, yes, there are different levels of evil.
And there are different levels of attacks by demons.
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Well, and this was primarily for art, just as a demonstration to him.
But if there are different levels of evil and there are different levels of good, then there must be an ultimate evil and there must be an ultimate good.
And then as far for Father Kumar Swami, a question for you, do you feel that there are some perfectly possessed people who may be in the Vatican and people who are in control of the destiny of the church?
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Father Kumar Asami.
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Hi, Father, I have a question for you.
I have been fascinated by spirit releasements and exorcisms for several years, over 20 now.
And I have a question concerning women.
I was raised a Catholic in a convent.
I almost became a nun.
And then I became a spiritual investigator and found out there was a whole lot out there I needed to know.
And I went a route similar to yours, Buddhism, Hinduism, and I studied a lot of Judaism, Kabbalah, everything.
And I want to know what your feelings are about women that perform spirit releasements or exorcisms.
I have done these things in my lifetime because the Holy Spirit called me to do it, not because I sat out there and hung out a shingle and it was ruthless.
Well, because the church has never had women priests, and even the Blessed Mother was not a priest.
And so...
Why?
Because in a sense, there is a hierarchy in spiritual matters.
And while God himself in himself may not have any sexual characteristics as such, certainly in his Son, our Lord, Jesus Christ, he is male, and he is the ideal priest.
If you like, he's the priest of priests.
And insofar as the various functions of a priest involve conforming ourselves to him, then it seems inappropriate for women to function in this capacity, which does not mean that women cannot be as great a saint as anyone else.
There's no restriction on the sanctity of women, but only on the function of women.
For instance, the whole parts of, I think it's in Corinthians, where it speaks about the fact that a woman should not preach in public and she should have her head covered.
And there's a great deal in Scripture about the role of women.
But it's not to denigrate them.
It's because women are different than men, and as such, they have different functions and different gifts.
In other words, if there was love in the traditional way that we understand love, you know, which itself is intangible, but there wasn't sexual consummation, you're saying then you would think of it it would not be evil?
Anyway, getting back to your question, I do discuss this as a chapter on scripture in my book on the destruction of the Christian tradition.
In the early part of the church, early days of the church, many different texts were read in the church.
And some of them were of questionable value.
And at the Council of Carthage, which was a relatively small, it's not an ecumenical council, but at the Council of Carthage in, I think, 793 or 390 or 370 around there,
they went through all the various books and all the things that were read, and they picked out those that they were sure represented the teaching of Christ.
And these became the New Testament.
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Well, it seems to me that the New Testament is more like hearsay, where the Old Testament is more like the real thing.
Well, the problem was that there were heresies in those days, and they often would take a writing, say a writing attributed to one of the other apostles, and they would insert passages in it which were not acceptable.
And so in order to be very careful to only have in the New Testament what was certain, they would eliminate things that were questionable.
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Amy says, the guest had me until he started talking about women and their roles.
Women have been priests in shamanic religions for thousands of years, and even God is female in many of them because she's the creator and giver of life.
Yes, but when you were describing why really only a man can be a priest, there was a moment there where, I don't know, I heard that, you know, as I listened to you, I heard that women cannot rise to the level of faith to be able to preach.
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I didn't say they cannot rise because Christ was male.
Yeah, he did that experiment with monkeys for about 20 or 30 years.
I think he did it probably a total of 10 times.
And his goal, and he still is working on it, even though he's retired from surgery, but his goal is to have that done with humans.
Because sometimes you have somebody who is brain dead, like Terry Schiavo, you know, the girl in Florida, and somebody who is dead from the neck down, who's paralyzed, like Christopher Reeve.
And, you know, his goal in science is to do, you know, it sounds so radical and horrible, but it's sort of like an organ transplant, but with the head.
And so he got into a discussion, my uncle, with the Pope about where the soul resides.
And it was my uncle's opinion that the soul is in the brain.
And the Pope kind of looked at him and kind of just gave him a look to my uncle.
I was going to say, thanks to the break, St. Thomas, following Aristotle, would certainly hold that the soul is within the whole body and not limited to the head.
Furthermore, if we had someone come into the emergency room with massive head injury, we would still give him extreme unction because we don't know just where the soul is.
There's no possibility that it's just limited to the head.
Well, I can tell you that the old church forbids anyone to give a date to that because I think simply on practical grounds, they got tired of people saying the world's going to end on such and such a time, and the world went on existing after that time.
Yes, but his question, I believe, went to whether there is, in fact, any man on earth within the church or out that would actually know that information.
Do you think that if there was information out there that as the millennia have passed, Father, that would point away from a Catholic belief or would be evidence that would point away from a Catholic belief, that the church would obtain it and sequester it and not make it public?
Well, I think the church will sometimes sequester things and not make it public simply because it's concerned about souls, it's concerned about privacy.
For instance, if one does an exorcism, one cannot reveal that one has done it.
Okay, I didn't hear you say East Coast or East of the Rockies.
Father, I'm a Catholic.
I used to go to Mass every day.
I moved to this small town in Wisconsin, and the priest doesn't even know the order of the Mass.
I mean, sometimes he'll, I mean, I don't like the new Mass either, but sometimes he'll consecrate the body and not, or the blood and not the bread, or vice versa.
Father, I guess I'd like to understand and ask you this.
If the church is not saying the traditional Mass now, and the church, you're virtually saying the church is not valid, what is it that is replacing what was?
Well, I think, as I explained in my book on the destruction of the Christian tradition, that if the tradition is destroyed, a certain vacuum is created.
And into this, we have all kinds of new religions, new age religions, various different groups claiming to be a source of truth.
The question I have to ask is concerning the term father.
And I'm sure that he's probably addressed this question before when the scripture talks about how when Jesus said, call no man upon this earth father, for you have but one father, and that is God.
And call no man upon this earth rabbi, and that means teacher, for you have but one teacher, and that's Jesus Christ.
Now, I have heard that it was the Catholic Church that got started the term dad for a man or a woman's biological father and why the Catholic Church bestowed upon themselves their priest calling themselves father and the Pope calling himself a father.
Well, after I read the book review that was in the Minneapolis paper about Father Malachi's book, you know, Hostage to the Devil, it was listed in there, you know, someone that you know could be possessed by evil spirits and you might not be aware of it.
And then it went on to tell, you know, and I'm going, oh my God, you know, because all these years, it was 24 years I'd been married to him.
And, I mean, I thought I was pretty intelligent.
I knew there was something wrong with my marriage, but I didn't know what.
Anyways, so what happened is that I asked him when he came home, you know, and he just looked at me.
I said, are you, I said, I think I found out what's the matter with our marriage.
And I said it very calmly, I think you're possessed by evil spirits.
And he just looked at me and he went back to reading his paper.
Well, that I thought I was going to get some, you know, when you do that to a man that's not even religious, you know, I figured I was going to really get it.
Well, I just started putting things together, and I know in Revelation 8.10, it talks about a burning mountain and a flaming star that will fall into the ocean, and the star was called wormwood, and that it will poison a third of all the water on the earth.
And I wanted to ask you, Father, do you believe that this has occurred already?
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Father Kumara Swami.
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Good morning, Mr. Bell, Father Maraswamy.
Kevin, in transit somewhere in Arkansas.
Yes, good morning.
Father, I was just wondering, since you were a surgeon for quite many years, if you'd ever heard of any of the MRI studies on the schizophrenics where they actually, when they hear the voices, it's actually active in the part of their brain where, like, you and I are talking right now.
Whereas, you know, if I think in my brain of, like, my mother's voice or Art's voice or anyone else's voice, it's in the frontal part of the brain which accesses memories.
And since I'm a police officer, I see this sort of thing all the time.
And, well, I can also vouch for the fact that there's evil out there.
I've stared it in the face.
But I was mainly curious if you'd heard about that MRIs.
In fact, the psychiatric literature is full of reports about MRI studies on schizophrenics.
And it might interest you to know that the Cappadocian fathers had a theory about schizophrenia, and they thought it was in the linings of the ventricles.
And that's where the very name comes from, because those are called the phrenia.
And schizophrenia, they thought the illness lay in that location.
So they didn't have MRIs, but they knew something was wrong.
The problem is that not all the priests in the society have been conditionally reordained.
And so if a non-conditionally reordained priest says the Mass of John XXIII, which is the Mass that they use, it would not be either valid or illicit.
Do I think that John Paul II's excommunication of the bishops is valid?
The answer to that question is a little complex because on the one hand, they claim to recognize his authority, and on the other hand, they say that his excommunications are invalid.
And because you made a comment concerning the Novis Ordo Mise and commented to one of the callers that you didn't blame her for not attending that Mass in the absence of a Roman Rite Tridentine Mass.
And it occurs to me that that really may be doing a disservice to fellow Catholics.
Well, the Mass of John 23, which is the Mass that they use, is if the priest is properly ordained, is, I think, valid.
The problem is that the right to use the Mass of John XXIII carries with it the demand that you accept all of Vatican II and that you accept all the post-conciliar sacraments as completely valid.
Now, in the beginning, when permission was used for the given for use of the Mass of John XXIII, you had to go down to the bishop's house and sign a paper in which you accepted all of Vatican II and also all the new sacraments.
That's no longer required, but it's implicit when you use or attend the Mass of John XXIII.
And the Society also holds that all the new sacraments are fine.
In fact, I don't understand myself why the Society doesn't use the new sacraments that they think they're so good.
Well, I'm not myself a member of the Society, but the basic question remains who, in fact, has the authority to declare that a given Pope is not, in fact, the Pope?
Well, I think the answer to that is fairly simple.
The Pope is free to walk away from the Church.
No one has to declare, if, for instance, I left the priesthood and I left the Catholic Church and became, what have you, any one of the New Age religions, I would be outside the church.
No one would have to come along and say, I declare you outside the church.
The Pope has free will.
And if the Pope acts in such a way that it's no longer Catholic, then one has to assume that he is not any longer a Catholic.
East of the Rockies, you're on air with Father Kumara Swami.
Hi.
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Yes, hi.
Father, I just want to know, with the exception of using a sixth sense, of the five senses that God gave us, is there any way to recognize pure evil using sight, hearing, touch, taste, smell?
I mean, I have come across some people that I am sure are pure evil, but I'm not quite sure what I saw in them, what I felt in them, what I smelled in them.
You know, I mean, is there a way to recognize pure evil using our God-given senses?
And I wouldn't, you know, why would I choose to be Why would I, and I gave it to God.
And the thing is, I feel like, you know, no matter who I would tell as a Christian, you know, that I gave to God this, you know, of course I want to go to heaven and be in the goodness and be with God and not separated from that merely to, you know, for a sexual reason.
But it's not just a sexual reason.
I believe that I am whole and complete, being honest with myself and accepted by God to be gay.
And I just, and I reject evil, and I believe there is evil, and I know that I'm not evil, and that I reject evil, and that it's okay to be gay.
And then, you know, again, I'm concerned religiously because politically, I mean, this day and age, we have the churches being used to advocate, you know, our religion says this, so go out and vote this way.
And then in this case, we sort of, and I know we're not talking politics too much, but it does go hand in hand.