Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist and UFO researcher, critiques Project Blue Book’s hidden data—21.5% of sightings unexplained, not 3%—and dismisses SETI’s radio-signal approach as outdated, favoring eyewitness accounts and archival evidence like the disputed Cutler Twining Memo. He highlights China’s growing UFO research openness and speculates aliens may mine Earth’s resources or quarantine humanity due to perceived hostility, citing WWII and abduction cases. Despite skepticism over claims like Bob Lazar’s, Friedman urges whistleblowers to expose what he calls "Cosmic Watergate," pushing for transparency amid $41B black budget secrecy. [Automatically generated summary]
Click on Art's webcam is it's of uh Dusty and Abby, and uh they're obviously fighting uh some evil paper towels, which no doubt, at least in their little feline brains, attacked them, and so they're having their revenge.
That occurred, I think that was last night.
And it was funny, you just go out there and look, and you go, well, you can't say that on the radio.
Speaking of radio, it is the hobby I indulge in much of the time when I'm not here.
And you can get sort of a cute little sneak peek at ham radio by going to a place called smeter.net, www.smeter.net.
S-M-E-T-E-R.net.
Now, we've indulged in several RV trips.
We've gone up to Reno and went up to Idaho.
And so we've been having fun, you know, in this sort of semi-retirement.
We've been having a blast, actually.
However, on the last trip, I seem to have acquired acute bronchitis, which I'm now on the better side of.
But if it sounds like I've got a cold tonight, that's because I do.
Ramona's cold, of course, turned into asthma.
So we've had quite a time of it for the past week or so.
Tonight's program is going to center around UFOs.
A very, very basic part of this program always has, or no, you know what?
That's not true.
It has not always been.
But for many, many years now, it certainly has been one of the mainstays of the program.
And in that spirit, I have for you on the website tonight two interesting pictures, actually videos, of recent UFOs.
Now, the first one I found on the web, somebody sent me, and then I sent on to Lex to get it up there.
It's from Bulgaria, and I think it's damn good.
Really good.
And the reason I think it's so good is because it's an obvious UFO.
In other words, it's not far away and fuzzy.
It's close and very visible.
And there are, you know, there's a field of reference there.
There's a building in the forefront of this UFO.
Therefore, you can assign to it some sort of scale, some sort of scale.
And I tell you, it's pretty good.
So you might want to take a look at that one.
The second one, Lex found and put up.
I don't think it's quite as good, only because it's taken from a pretty good distance.
And I don't know about you, but I cannot make out the shape of the object in any detail.
But it's still a good UFO photograph.
The first one, though, the one from Bulgaria, I think that will knock your socks off a bit.
It really is quite good.
And tonight's guest, Stanton Friedman, of course, has been doing this as his life's work, that is to say, UFOs.
So it's going to be a very interesting program tonight.
And as a primer for it, I suggest you go to coasttocoastam.com and take a look at those and rate them, if you will, as I did.
Again, the first object is close.
You have a frame of reference, that is the building, for its size and where it is relative to everything.
And so you can make a judgment about its size, and it's pretty damn big.
the second one farther away doing some aerobatic stuff and then That one, as Stanton would be quick to say, would go in my gray box.
But the first one, that's pretty good stuff, folks.
So you might want to check it out.
Coast2CoastAM.com.
It'll be right there, plastered upon the front page.
Now, the Bell family has a few favorite TV shows.
My favorite TV shows would be Medium.
Have you seen that?
Man, what a show.
They're going to have a little bit of 3D, and I'm looking forward to 3D and high-D.
That should be something coming up this week.
And then House, have you seen House?
My Lord, what a well-acted show.
And then finally, oh, there is another good one, too.
Gina.
Gina as Commander-in-Chief.
Boy, she's very, very good.
I really like that.
So Medium House and Commander-in-Chief, just excellent stuff if you haven't checked them out yet.
And then since I'm in the world of TV, let me do a little bitching.
One of my favorite TV shows in the past has been the practice.
Remember the practice?
Which has now become Boston legal?
Well, I want to raise a little hell here with the people who are doing this.
This was, without a doubt, one of my favorite TV shows, James Spader.
Incredible.
Just incredible in the part, but he is being emasculated, in my opinion.
The program itself is being emasculated.
It presented some of the finest, sharpest, most controversial, suspenseful dramas I've ever seen on television.
And that was during the time between when the practice was going off and Boston Legal began.
My God, it was a good show.
And then, and James Fader, oh, just incredible.
The bad guy, the attorney, the bad guy, but kind of a good guy, but really a bad guy.
And now, it seems to me they've emasculated him.
And the program itself.
They have turned from the serious, the controversial, the dramatic, the gut-wrenching, to the frivolous, to the fluff, to the nothingness of regular TV.
In fact, I suspect that they may have hired some of the people who became unemployed when Allie McBeal went belly up.
I don't know, but I want it to change.
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I want it to go back to what it was, what it once was.
So I wonder if anybody out there agrees with that.
If you watch a TV show, it's sort of almost not quite religious experience, mind you, but a sort of a thing that you do, and then it suddenly changes on you and becomes less and becomes sort of frivolous and mindless and drives me crazy.
So the people from Boston Legal, I hope you're listening.
So I think in the time we have available for calls this evening, when we get to it, both prior to and then once we take calls with the guest, will be devoted to UFOs.
Now, not so much, you know, aren't I got a story from when I was 13 or something like that, but if you've got a pretty recent sighting, I'd definitely like to hear about it.
Taking a very brief look at the depressing news, here you go.
Suspect arrested in Washington Mall shootings.
Gunman opened fire inside a busy shopping mall.
Now, that's the way a lot of stories start out, isn't it?
A gunman opened fire inside a busy shopping mall and wounded at least six people, took three others hostage in a music store before finally surrendering to a SWAT team.
And these are just head shakers.
You don't know why somebody does something like this, and you just shake your head.
So I call them headshakers.
White House doubts that El-Zakarwi is dead among the dead.
Let's see.
Israeli leader reportedly leaving.
Oh, that's interesting.
Israel's dovish Labor Party vowed Sunday to pull out Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's government.
And Sharon reportedly decided to quit his Likud party to set up a new movement beginning a campaign for elections expected perhaps in March.
President Bush hails Mongolia for backing the Iraq war.
That's good.
We've got somebody Mongolia.
U.S. unprepared for super flu pandemic.
The U.S. is unprepared, it says here, for the next flu pandemic, lacking the manufacturing capacity to provide 300 million doses, that's a bunch, of a vaccine for three to five more years.
So in other words, it'll be three to five years before we can get the vaccine to give to anybody, and even then, we'll only have some.
So they will have to make horrendous decisions about who shall receive the vaccine and who won't.
I bet government workers, I bet they'll be right up there at the top.
And then how do you suppose the list would then play out from there?
Government leaders first, and then who?
A NASA spacecraft is halfway toward Mars, where it is expected to collect more data on the red planet than all previous Martian explorations combined.
The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter successfully fired its six engines for 20 seconds last week.
That adjusted the flight path in anticipation of a March arrival.
It will fine-tune its trajectory perhaps two more times before it enters orbit about Mars.
So maybe we'll find out more about Mars.
The flu pandemic, very much on my mind, the potential flu pandemic.
About 65,000 birds at a poultry farm in Fraser River Valley, British Columbia, are going to be slaughtered after a strain of bird flu was discovered in a duck there.
However, this apparently is not the worst kind you can get, but nevertheless, 65,000 birds.
And with regard to the bird flu, I think the, even though we've got to keep an eye on it, it's very concerning, until you hear about human-to-human transmission, I don't think there's a hell of a lot to worry about.
I mean, of course, it's concerning, and it could jump species any time, and that is the worry.
But as long as it remains with the birds and out of human beings in a way that can spread from human to human, there's no reason for great concern.
The moment you hear about human-to-human transmission, as in, you know, transmission of the flu, then you're going to have to decide what is best for you and your family.
And one of those things is probably going to be, frankly, to isolate yourself from other human beings for a period of up to, I don't know, six months.
Would that even do it?
I think the 1918 flu circled the globe about three times before it stopped or just pooped out or whatever it is a flu does when it gets done.
So I don't even know if that would be enough time.
Well, get ready.
Brace yourself.
The HARP experiment in Alaska is about to ratchet up the power to, I've heard, 4 billion watts.
The ionosphere has been pretty ratty lately anyway, and we're all suspecting it has something to do with something other than normal conditions, though we are at the low of a sunspot cycle, and here they go.
4 billion watts Continental, name of a company, said it is ahead of schedule in delivering 132 ultra-low noise transmitters to U.S. government contractors, BAE systems, for use in the high-frequency active auroral research program.
That is the official name, by the way.
Do you know that?
HARP is the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program.
When the massive planner array for ionospheric research is completed in 2007, it's going to include a total of 180 continental electronics, DG616G 10 kilowatt combined transmitters, which the company is upgrading specifically for HARP, said the supplier.
Installation began in 1993 with 18, 48 in 1998, and will grow to 180.
The final expansion will bring the HARP array to full power, with ERP increasing from 84 dBW to about 96 dBW.
That's lots and lots of power, folks.
And we've been watching HAARP very carefully now.
I've come to understand that DARPA is now mainly in control of the HAARP project.
And while we can certainly not say anything is specifically due to HARP, the shortwave conditions have been deplorable, and they're as easy to blame as anybody.
Moreover, if HAARP wasn't working, it seems to me the funding would have been cut.
God knows, we cut it for everything else.
But instead, HARP is getting the bucks, the transmitters, and they're going to go all the way to 4 billion watts.
And again, I say if it wasn't working, if something about it was not performing as hoped, I guess we should put it that way, then they'd be cutting the funding, but they're not.
What does that mean?
It probably means it's working.
Levels of carbon dioxide, from the Independent, of course, in the UK, levels of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere have jumped abruptly, raising fears that global warming may be accelerating now out of control.
That little click we were all talking about, measurements by U.S. government scientists show that concentrations of the gas, the main cause of the climate exchange, that's exchange, rose by a record amount over the past 12 months.
It is the third successful year in which they have increased sharply, making an unprecedented triennial surge.
Scientists are at a loss to explain why the rapid rise has taken place, but they fear it could show the first signs that global warming is now feeding on itself, with rising temperatures causing increases in carbon dioxide, which then go on to drive the thermometer even higher.
That would be a deeply alarming development, suggesting that this self-reinforcing heating could spiral upwards beyond the reach of any attempts to combat it.
The development comes, as official figures show, that Britain's emissions of the gas soared by 3% last year.
That would be about twice as fast as the previous year.
The increase caused by rising energy use and by burning less gas, more coal in power stations, jeopardizes that government's target of reducing emissions by 19% by 2010.
And clearly it is changing our weather.
Or clearly, I guess it would be fairer to say our weather is changing.
This from David.
David says, hey, Art, I thought I'd write and mention the odd weather we've been having in our neck of the woods, just the north shores of Lake Ontario, a town called Burlington, about three weeks ago.
We began having very strong windstorms.
I've lived in the area all my life, never seen anything this strength or duration.
About two weeks ago, Hamilton, a city next to us, had a tornado.
It was an F1, F2.
Anyway, strong enough to rip the roof off a school and some other buildings.
Many sheds and decks disappeared for good.
Its path took it over the escarpment and into Lake Ontario.
So be warned.
The weather clearly is changing, as was demonstrated by Katrina, of course, in New Orleans.
And speaking of New Orleans, spores, this was so predictable, right?
Spores of airborne mold have become a hazard in New Orleans, where the cleanup's still going on and will be for some time now.
Andrew Uncom, I believe it is, writes in the Independent that the Natural Resources Defense Council, or NRDC, has accused the federal government of failing to warn people about the danger, much as they failed to warn New Yorkers about dangerous air pollution post-9-11.
When the NRDC took air samples from 14 different locations in the New Orleans area, nine of which had been flooded, they discovered incredibly high levels of mold spores.
Allergist says that an outdoor mold spore level greater than about 50,000 spores per cubic meter is dangerous, and the ones here are quite a bit above that.
And then finally, in this area, my little area of the world, there is some interesting news.
Former Hollywood Madame Heidi Fleis says that she is bound for a brothel in the southern Nevada desert, that she says she's going to help remake into a resort featuring male prostitutes serving female customers.
I'm moving to Crystal, said Fleis, Wednesday, of a desert crossroads about 20 miles north of Peromp, Nevada, and about 80 miles outside Las Vegas.
It features two bordellos and very little else.
That's Crystal, all right.
I'm going to open a stud farm, said Fleice.
I'm going to have the sexiest men on earth.
Women are going to love it, she says.
Joe Richards, who owns the Cherry Patch Ranch and Mabel's Ranch, and Crystal, said that he sent a courtesy letter Thursday to inform Montana County Commission that Fleis is going to work for him and apparent plans, you know, to open this new kind of bordello.
She's going to be Madame of Cherry Patch Ranch, said Richards.
He told that to the Associated Press by telephone.
So he calls her an employee as opposed to a partner, but I don't know.
She got into some trouble a while ago.
Our sheriff, Tony DeMayo, said that because Flyce is a convicted felon, well, she might be banned from the county's legal sex trade.
DeMayo sits with the five county commissioners on a six-member brothel Licensing board.
That is something legal way out here in my part of the desert.
All right, well, look, it's as good a sighting as any.
One much like the video.
And the video is quite good.
The video, without question, shows you details, something you don't see in most UFO videos.
It's not particularly fuzzy.
It's quite clear.
It gives you a reference, a building in front to give you some idea of the size.
And then, of course, at the very end, she's gone like that.
Obviously, a real craft of some sort.
You never know about these things.
You know, people are good with various Photoshops, and God knows they can knock them out in the movies, and they look very real, so it could be something like that.
But assuming that it's legitimate photography, and I guess I do make that assumption, then it really is quite spectacular.
One of the things that Stanton's going to talk tonight about is a new book that's been written that really tears apart the people who have made claims like yours of a visitation or of being abducted or anything like that.
I mean, it just totally trashes the whole thing as psychological gibberish.
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I know.
But the thing is, my sister, I slept on a top bunk and she slept on a lower one, and she was deaf.
And she said the light that came into the room scared her, and she put the pillow over her face.
My sister is from another bedroom, saw a bright light shining under the door from my room.
And my sister, who was deaf, I was trying to explain to my mother the following day what had happened to me and how I felt totally changed about I wasn't just a regular kid anymore.
I was more global.
I thought if this was, I was a person in Africa, I would see it as a familiar form as a child in Africa.
And I became very world conscious and actually did end up traveling as a national person's wife to visit different countries.
And then when I was in Hartford, I was going over to from Simsbury to have lunch with my husband.
And I was like summoned to look up in the sky.
And I looked up there, and there was a silver disc up there.
As soon as I saw it, it dashed behind this only white cloud that was over the city.
I just never know what to say to these things, and I'd probably be laughing except for the fact that I've seen two myself.
See, that changes you.
As you know, and I'm not going to put you through the pain of repeating it, but my wife and I had a very, very close encounter.
And when you've had that, after you've had it, there's simply no way to ignore, laugh at, or jest with regard to people who make claims like we're hearing tonight.
Simple as that.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
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Hi, good morning.
Yeah, I had an experience.
Well, my wife and I had an experience involving some other people.
And it's ironic.
I've shared this experience with a little bit of an ongoing communication I've had with Stanton Friedman myself, a communication about my string theory that is consistent with biblical texts.
But anyway, it occurred, unfortunately, you know, I never wrote down the date, but it occurred around the year 2000.
My wife and I were returning from a late dinner, and we were traveling north along the ocean, which was directly to our right side, of course.
And that was in North Ormond Beach in the Tomoka Park area on a two-lane highway.
And my first irritant was this continual brake lights of the cars in front of me, well, the immediate car in front of me.
And I would have to stop, reset cruise controls, start again.
And I was getting more and more irritated.
But I was in a conversation with my wife at the time.
And I started to notice the car in front of me, the driver was looking up out his driver's side window and looking upward.
And what I would see when I looked up was what I would think with my earthborn senses and rationality as first a helicopter or it must be a blimp because it was apparently stationary.
But then, as the senses would kick in, I would realize there was no, this is about 100 feet above us, about 100 to 150 feet in diameter.
It was round and it was dark.
And what I could see were lights.
And the thing that struck me next was there was no copter blade noise.
Then I started to see that this was motionless above us.
Well, the brain tries to make sense out of what doesn't make sense.
So your brain is telling you, look, it has to be a helicopter or it has to be a blimp.
It's sitting still.
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Exactly.
We're just...
We're just trained that way with our Earth senses.
And so you try to come up with a quick explanation.
You're trying to continue driving.
And at some point, I started to realize this large object, circular in its size and dimensions, it had these lights.
And I started to realize there's no compar noise.
And I had never seen a blimp.
First of all, nothing can fly that close with the aeronautical laws that close to the ground immediately above the Route A1A, which is a two-lane highway that runs along the Atlantic Ocean.
And then, of course, the blimps, if they do have any lights, generally they're around the square cabin.
I believe the creator has created these, and it was an early model, a plain-Jane, pencil-neck geek, plain-Jane model, not in the likeness of the creator and not the apple of his eye as we are.
And I believe these people perhaps were just...
Oh, because with their tenure as a life form in the universe.
And this might ring a bell, but I was putting up some permanent wind streamers that our club had been putting up at sites.
And I was down there by myself.
Everybody else had left.
And it was getting dark.
And to the south of the mountain, about 15 miles, was Interstate 8 running to Yuma and San Diego.
And I saw lights, and I thought they were helicopters.
I thought there was a wreck maybe down on Interstate 8.
So I didn't think anything of it.
I kept walking around, you know, finishing up, getting ready to go home, and the lights started illuminating the top of a bluff just to the south of me.
And I shortly after that, I realized these things were not helicopters.
They were moving really sporadically.
There were three of them.
And this went on for over an hour and five minutes is how long it lasted.
And I was absolutely terrified.
It got so scary.
They were illuminating the ground below them.
They were doing these gyrations that looked like a heart monitor, even going faster than a heart monitor.
And that's when I realized it's like, there's no way that there could be a physical being in that ship without just the g-forces alone.
Do you want to take a shot at telling me what you think was inside those craft?
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I mean, I've always tried to be really objective about it, and I honestly can't say one way or the other whether it was aliens or human, something that we've developed that's hidden.
But I do know without a doubt in my mind that it was either the craft was driven by either anti-gravity or what you've talked about on some of the other shows with turning it into zero mass.
Yeah, and actually that's what my friend asked me.
They said, what do you think it was doing there?
And I just had this sense, and I didn't even know why I said it, but I said it almost seemed the feelings I had, I felt like it was almost searching for either something in the ground or searching for souls.
The head of the, well, the Secretary of the Air Force, Donald Quarles, said, quote, on the basis of this report, we believe that no objects such as those properly described as flying saucers have overflown the United States.
Even the unknown 3% could have been identified as conventional phenomena or illusions if more complete observational data had been available.
Well, the trouble is that when you looked at the report, it was 21.5% that were unknown, not 3%, and they were completely separate and distinct from the 9.5% that were listed as insufficient information.
Yeah, and when you look more carefully at the data, and they didn't put it together in the same way I do so that you could easily see, when you look at the quality evaluation, this involved 3,201 sightings.
That's a good number.
The work was done by Battell Memorial Institute in Columbus, Ohio, under contract to the Air Force, not by a bunch of UFO nuts, you know.
And when you look at the quality evaluation, for example, of every single sighting, they found that the better the quality of the sighting, the more likely to be unexplainable.
The exact opposite of what the noisy negativists keep telling us.
You found that the duration of observation was longer for the unknowns than for the knowns.
They did a statistical cross-comparison between unknowns, which are the only ones I'm interested in.
That's why my lectures, flying saucers are real rather than UFOs are real, because all flying saucers are UFOs.
Very few UFOs are flying saucers, and I don't care about the IFOs, identifiable flying objects.
What they found was that the probability that the unknowns were just misknowns was less than 1%.
The probability that the unknowns were the two groups don't match in any of the six characteristics which they looked at, apparent size, color, shape, speed.
In other words, if there was no difference, you'd expect that pretty much the same percentages would be green, yellow, fast, slow, all the characteristics that they looked at.
And they weren't.
And so that really shook me up.
And then by one of these synchronicity things, I guess, shortly after finding that, within a year or so, I was project engineer.
I was working for Eroja General Nucleonics on the West Coast.
I was project engineering a contract out of the Foreign Technology Division of the United States Air Force, same place that Project Blue Book was, and was making either every month, every two month trips back to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
And while I was there, my contract was, oh, it had a great title, analysis and evaluation of fast and intermediate reactors for space vehicle applications.
The word that was left out of the title was Soviet, trying to evaluate, because I had worked on our programs, were they going to be able to put up nuclear power plants in space, which would be very nice because they give you lots of power.
My conclusion, incidentally, in the highly classified report, which I still don't have a copy of, put out two volumes.
I successfully predicted that they would be putting them up, and I must have been the only guy on the whole continent that was happy when Cosmos 954, Soviet satellite, came down in northern Canada near Great Slave Lake back in the late 60s.
The funny thing is, of course, that none of the news coverage, and there was plenty, Time, Newsweek, etc., focused on what was most important.
This was like the 13th nuclear reactor that the Soviets had operated in space.
They wound up putting up about three dozen, incidentally.
We put up one lousy system.
Was used for sideband radar, for scanning the ships at sea.
They'd be useful for particle beam weapons, laser weapons, stuff like that.
So they were very important, and it's kind of funny.
I wrote a Freedom of Information Act request of the CIA for characteristics, and that was classified, what the characteristics were of the Soviet reactor, as if the Russians didn't know.
Yeah, one of the frustrations of my life, that's why that intro includes the word canceled government-sponsored program, was the total lack of leadership.
We needed an Admiral Rickover.
You remember him with nuclear submarines.
And most of the, well, all the other programs I worked on didn't have one.
They didn't know what they wanted to do with the darn thing.
One year it was, well, let's go supersonic and go in high for a nuclear bomber.
The big advantage of a nuclear airplane is range.
You don't need to refuel for thousands of flying airplanes.
Ours was the big one, maybe $100 million a year in 1958.
This was not for professors and eight grad students, you understand.
Right.
Very straightforward.
The air comes into the compressor of the big jet engine and goes through the reactor to be heated instead of burning fuel, and then goes out through the turbine at a very high temperature, like 1,800 or 1,900 degrees, and creates thrust just by kicking the air out the back end.
That's the direct cycle.
There was an indirect cycle.
Navy reactors operate at about 1,000 degrees, so that gives you some idea.
We were way up there with the technical difficulty of these things.
The indirect cycle, Pratt Whitney, had the two jet engine companies.
I was working for GE, and Pratt Whitney was looking at you'd have a liquid metal-cooled reactor.
Liquid metals are lousy in air and water, oh boy, messy things.
But you can make a much smaller reactor because it's a better heat transfer system.
So the shielding, which is what I worked on, would be smaller.
But then at some point, you have to give the heat to the air to put it through the turbine.
Now, there's another whole approach, too, is you can build a much smaller nuclear power plant to give you lots of electricity, just like the ones that were used in space.
The worst meeting I ever sat in on my life, while I was working on nuclear rockets for Westinghouse, I was out in Sacramento, California, visiting Aerojet General, which was doing the engine part.
We were doing the reactor part of a nuclear rocket system.
We operated these on the ground.
They work.
And I was asked to attend a meeting where the Space Nuclear Propulsion Office of NASA was trying to figure out what should they do with this nuclear rocket engine.
They had no goal.
Well, we could use it to put a base on the moon.
Maybe we could go to Mars.
Maybe Earth orbit, lunar orbit, supply systems.
When you don't know what you want to do, you don't get funding.
And the program was canceled because there wasn't a mission.
They didn't have a rickover.
They didn't have somebody with guts to say, here's where we're going, guys.
Yeah, you'd make a radioactive mess, and you'd need special handling facilities at the base where you're going to.
But remember, with unlimited range, and there was always discussion about maybe we take off on chemical and land on chemical, a little extra chemical, but you don't need all that fuel, in other words.
The fuel load of those big airplanes, the C-5A, 747, et cetera, is enormous.
You're Using the fuel to lift the fuel to lift the fuel, just like in our big chemical rockets.
And that's not terribly efficient when you get down to it.
But you might also use a small reactor to produce electricity for a magneto-aerodynamic propulsion system, which I like.
Sort of like the electromagnetic submarine, which was successfully tested in California back in the mid-60s, where you ionize the air, interact with electric and magnetic fields with this now electrically conducting fluid, and you can control lift, drag, heating, sonic boom production, radar profile, all those good things.
And that's kind of neat.
The submarine worked.
They only spent $2,000.
It was a government program.
It would have cost $200,000 and probably not worked.
Well, in this day and age of $60 and better oil and airlines going belly up every time we turn around, why isn't something like this being resurrected and rethought?
And, you know, look, why these things aren't done has to do with larger questions of what if ports tell you that they won't let you come in because you're nuclear-powered?
Well, it just seems to me that the environment from then till now has radically changed, where the things we worry about now perhaps eclipse the worries that prevented the kind of technology you were talking about then from being implemented.
This came about because a mutual UFO network member in Wisconsin was friendly with the son of the man who headed the Chinese UFO Society in Dallian, China, which was planning a World UFO conference.
And I was contacted to see if I might be interested.
And I said, of course, I would be.
And there was a little problem like, you know, who's going to pay the freight for me to get there?
I'd speak for free, but it's a long way from Fredericton, New Brunswick, where I live.
And so I wasn't taking the usual tours of China, but there was quite a contrast between Dalian, which is a big city, two to four million, which by Chinese standards isn't huge, but I was very impressed with Hong Kong, the airport, the new airport.
I don't know whether you had to fly in alongside the building.
Right, so I've been out, and it was incredible and beautifully done.
And you know what, Art, what surprised me, I'm getting sick and tired of flying in the United States, taking your shoes off, waiting in long lines, you know, and they're worried about nail clippers and all that shit stuff.
Well, in China, there wasn't any of that.
They don't seem to be worried about who's coming here where.
I mean, they look at your passport and look at your face, and, you know, that's it.
And it was easy going in and coming out.
The people were friendly.
I didn't feel a sense of a police presence anywhere.
Some of them, I mean, they were all done in English, of course, because I don't speak Chinese, but some of them were for the Chinese press and some for the English press because Hong Kong, of course, still has a substantial English-speaking population.
And there wasn't the slightest hint of noisy negativism, none of the nasty cracks at the beginning, you don't really believe in this stuff, and stuff like that.
And I saw the press coverage, some of the English press coverage, and it was very friendly and straight.
And in Dalian, China, where the World Conference was, and I was the only North American there, there were some people there from Hungary and Israel and Australia and a lot of people from Taiwan and Japan and Korea.
There were a couple of things.
Now, the accommodations weren't that fancy in Dalian, you know, but the level of the people, and they all give you business cards over there, you know, standard thing.
And you start looking, you're dealing with engineers and scientists and professors and so forth.
That was impressive to me.
The name, they translated a lot of the titles.
They had a booklet about the lectures.
I didn't get a lot of time to speak there, but I got an award from my paper, which they had translated.
Well, but okay, but still, it's going to translate.
I mean, if you get people interested in ufology in China, they're going to have to believe ultimately the same thing about their own government, aren't they?
And what it reminded me of, strange example, but in the mid-50s, there was a big world conference on nuclear fusion in England.
And the Russian scientists went over and the gates were opened.
They put out all kinds of stuff, which kind of forced the Americans to, even though, because fusion is what goes on in H-bombs, even though everything had been highly classified, by them telling us what they were doing, kind of forced us to open up and tell us what we were doing.
So, yes, I certainly agree that this had to be a conscious decision at some high level.
And there seemed to be, I got no feeling of anybody worrying about what the government was going to say if they talked about it.
And some of the papers were technical, judging by the abstracts that I saw.
And, you know, there is some conspiracy theorists over there.
Let me give you a strange example of people in Hong Kong who drive on the English side of the road, you know, thought that John Mack must have been assassinated.
You know, how could he get hit by a car?
Even though the trial, and I had to explain to them that when I went to England and walked around Hong Kong, I had to be very careful when I stepped off the curb because you instinctively go in the wrong, you're looking the wrong way.
As a matter of fact, you know that his family sent a letter asking leniency for The guy who was the driver, he was a drunk driver, and he was sent away to prison for, what, 15 months, I guess.
But they tried to mitigate his punishment, so they obviously were convinced that it wasn't a plot, an assassination, or whatever.
Well, they did feel differently, but they weren't aware of the fact because they didn't drive on the English side of the road, you know, that when you go someplace else, you better be careful.
China, on the other hand, incidentally drives on the American side of the road.
I did hear about one case in particular involved a number of military people with observations, and they seem to be very open in talking about it, which, again...
Well, it was a complicated case where the thing was there and observed by people.
It was reported.
The military saw it.
It was near a base.
The thing went away.
It came back.
They saw it.
They couldn't identify it.
They wondered what the heck was going on.
They wrote a report.
It was one of those things that, gee, how could they be so open about when our guys are so afraid to talk about, you know, military guys, what happens while they're in the military.
So I think we're going to be hearing a lot more from the Chinese.
And I think they'll be using our stuff.
I got contacted by another Chinese scientist, actually, who's going to be translating some of my things for over there.
And I think that I was surprised, for example, at the number of Taiwanese scientists who were there.
You know, you hear about the fuss between Taiwan and China and mainland China.
And I didn't see that at this conference.
They were mingling and talking and open.
And, you know, the same with the Koreans, South Koreans.
Well, I give my conclusions right up front so they'll be alerted to what it is I'm going to be talking about, that some UFOs are alien spacecraft, that we're dealing with a cosmic watergate, that there are no good arguments against those two conclusions, and that we're dealing with the biggest story of the millennium.
So now I've got their interest anyway.
And then I review five large-scale scientific studies, Blue Book Special Report 14 that I talked about earlier.
I talk about the UFO evidence that calls early and late books by the same title.
I talk about J. Allen Hynek's book.
I talk about the congressional hearings and especially Dr. James E. McDonald's outstanding paper with 41 cases that couldn't be identified.
See, after I talk about each of these large-scale scientific studies, I ask how many people here have read this?
And, you know, it's 1%, 2% on a good day.
Right.
So the first is ignorance.
I've talked to as many as 2,000 people at once, 1,000 engineers and scientists at once.
I never get more than 1 or 2% who've reviewed any of these large sources of data.
Now, I happen to believe if one is expressing a purportedly professional opinion from a publicly appointed pedestal, I like that alliteration there, one has an obligation to have studied the data or to shut up or at least preface one's remarks with, look, I don't know anything about this subject.
Here's my personal opinion.
We're all entitled to those.
But professional opinions about most things require knowledge and ethics.
The second problem is the fear of ridicule, the laughter curtain.
I check all my audiences at the end of my lectures, never at the beginning, and find that about 10% believe they've seen a flying saucer.
Then I ask how many of you reported what you saw.
90% of the hands go down.
Biggest reason for not reporting, they'd think I was some kind of a nut.
I am saying that the notion that they are using, you should pardon my saying this on a radio program, but that they're using the same kind of technology that we're using is absurd.
Our technology is a product of, what, 100 years of development?
Well, we're not going to be leaking a lot of stuff out there.
They're assuming that there's no colonization, no migration, no travel, that the technology that's being used is such that we could pick up their signals and interpret them.
And as they find nothing with their looking, they keep saying, well, maybe they're 500 light years away or 1,000 light years away.
Interestingly, by the way, Stanton, they are beginning to say, even we, meaning SETI, must perhaps get to the point in the next 50 years of looking that if we do not find something, we're going to have to conclude the possibility of there being nothing.
Yeah, but you won't know whether they're there or not by listening for signals that it seems almost certain would not be put out by an advanced civilization because they've gone past that.
If we suddenly began to receive signals that were unquestionably alien and unquestionably intelligent, it wouldn't be a so what moment.
And then we have SETI, which believes that they might indeed be out there and there might be some sort of signal to be received.
Both organizations are laughed at.
Both organizations are woefully underfunded.
Both movements are ignored and just made a laughing stock of.
And to have dissension among two groups that you would think would have common interest is sort of sad.
I believe basically the last thing Stanton said was in the last hour of that day, if something was detected, if we did suddenly get a signal, and it was obviously alien and obviously intelligent, though being light years away, if not hundreds of light years away, we'd go, ho-hum.
Well, again, it would depend on the circumstances.
You know, if it's an intentional signal, you see, are we listening to noise, their equivalent of I Love Lucy kind of thing?
Or are we getting a signal that says, here we are in Zeta Reticuli, and you guys don't know it, but you're one of our colonies that went bad, and we're going to be visiting soon, and you better be ready.
But the point is, what's different between the SETI people and us ufology types, at least in my case anyway, shouldn't speak for everybody, though I'm on the board of MUFON, and I think it's doing a lot of good stuff, is that they think of us as the crown of creation, the equivalent of everybody else out there.
There's a wonderful woman physicist in Europe, Beatrice Gabo-Rivera, who points out that it's much more likely that we're like the gorillas in the nature preserve in Africa who have no idea at all of what's going around outside their preserve.
And so we're not equals with 100 years of technology.
And remember, if the signal is coming from 500 years away, a light years away, that means that there are a lot of years that they left there.
So I think that the fact that, you know, it's like the cargo cult in New Guinea.
They didn't know what was going on outside of them until they saw the airplanes in World War II.
There's a big major difference.
When Seth and I each gave, Seth Shostak, who debated on your program, when we each gave three lectures on the Queen Elizabeth II back a couple years ago, I listened carefully to his.
He attended two of mine.
I think he was signing books for the third one.
When it came time to being on the program, it was as if I hadn't said anything.
I read two of his books.
He didn't read anything of mine.
And if you look at the referencing at the back of his books and Jill Tarter and the other SETI people, you won't find any mention of the large-scale scientific studies.
I must admit, having interviewed Seth many times, I know a thing about UFOs?
By the end of the program, Sen, I generally almost had to beg him to read some things, to see a few videos so that he could comment, because his comment was always, sorry, don't know a thing about it.
Haven't heard about it, don't know anything about it.
And look, I'm an old guy, and I'm resistant to new technology, but I've made two steps.
Anybody who looks at my website, which is listed on yours, but triplew.stantonfriedman.com, will notice that for the first time ever, there's a PayPal button.
That's a breakthrough for me.
You know, I've not been enthusiastic about PowerPoint, for example.
And what I said, I gave him compliments for being probably the most effective propagandist of the past 50 years anyway by single-handedly convincing the scientific and journalistic communities that there was nothing to UFOs.
Well, there already are some contenders for the throne.
Joe Nicol is one, of course.
And, you know, he's the scientific investigator for SICCOP, and his three degrees are in English, which is a discontinuity there someplace.
But anyway, Robert Schaefer wrote an appreciation of Phil in the current issue of The Skeptical Inquirer.
And to illustrate the problems I have with these people, these nasty, noisy negativists, he says in there that nobody paid Phil, there was an agreement he was offering $10,000 and you'd put up a certain amount of money a year for so many years if the government announced that indeed there were flying saucers or the National Academy of Sciences, something like that.
And he said nobody kept to the terms of the agreement and Friedman made a few payments, but it would have to be $250 a year for 20 years.
Well, the fact of the matter is that I did publicly make my first payment and then made nine more payments of $100 a year, not $250, and it was for 10 years.
And I have a letter from Phil commenting about that.
And, you know, what's the difference between $250 a year for 20 years versus $100 a year for 10?
And I did make all 10 payments.
And then he neglected to mention another agreement we had, which is that he challenged me about one of the MJ12 documents, the Cutler Twining Memo, a one-pager that mentions NSC MJ-12, National Security Council MJ-12 Special Studies Project.
And of course, he said it's obviously a phony, and he pointed out, as of course, I had already noted, that it was done in the large PICA type, but it should have been done in the small elite type, because the National Security Council in the White House used elite type, and he could prove it with these nine documents that he had obtained by mail.
He'd, of course, never been to the Eisenhower Library.
And this was 1954 while Eisenhower was president.
And he challenged me.
He offered me $100 each for every genuine letter, memo, et cetera, done in the same size and style type as the Cutler Twining memo.
If he hadn't set the limit, I'd have been a wealthy man.
And he sent me a check for $1,000.
I see.
He told everybody about challenging me and nobody about paying me and then got very upset when I included a copy of his check and our correspondence in my final report on Operation Majestic 12, which was way back in 1990.
I got a research grant from the Fund for UFO Research, so I included that.
He threatened me with a lawsuit for including that.
I said, Phil, you sent me the check.
I Xeroxed it.
I cashed it.
It was good.
I can do whatever I please with the Xerox of the check.
And so, but I mean, here's the noisy negativist saying something that was totally off the wall.
Now, there's another thing about Phil.
I don't know whether anybody's talked about this on your program, considering the hour you're on and stuff, I don't often catch it.
But Richard Dolan, who wrote UFOs in the National Security State, in September, before coming to a conference in Toronto at which I was also a speaker, was up at the National Archives of Canada in Ottawa.
The last folder he was able to look at, because time was running out, had a letter from Philip J. Class to Dr. A.C. McNamara at the Hertzberg Institute of Astrophysics at the National Research Council in Ottawa, Canada.
It's a one-pager, I regret that I must bring bad tidings in ray your UFO responsibilities.
The NRC was collecting UFO reports, but trust that like the proverbial messenger shall not be executed for doing so, I have reason to believe, this is dated to August 15th, 1980, I have reason to believe that Canada will soon gain a, quote, noted, unquote, ufologist, full-time UFO lecturer of the snake oil salesman variety, who will soon move to Canada to become its chief UFO guru.
I am not sure where he will take up residence, but I can assure you that you and your associates will be publicly accused of a UFO cover-up or a cosmic cover-up, as he is prone to say, that dwarfs the Watergate scandal.
His name is Stanton Friedman.
He was trained as a nuclear physicist, worked in nuclear propulsion for five different companies in 14 years, before being laid off and becoming a full-time UFO lecturer.
Since the early 70s, he's earned a comfortable living in the lecture circuit, mostly to junior colleges and the like, which is sort of nonsensical.
His lectures are very colorful, for he is quite a showman, unlike Hynek, whose lectures are rather dull.
His one-hour lecture is so filled with half-truths and falsehoods that it would take me several hours to offer a rebuttal.
And like wrestling with an octopus, when you manage to pin down one leg, the other seven are still thrashing about.
I'm enclosing a white paper.
That was not with this, unfortunately.
Friedman and I are, quote, friends, unquote, of sorts, and off the stage on non-UFO subjects.
He can be a likable chap with a good sense of humor.
But since his livelihood now depends on UFOs and he has a mountainous ego and knows how to make newspaper headlines, I would expect that he will be making waves for you and your associates.
I understand that his decision to move to Canada is prompted by the fact that his lecture business in the U.S. has fallen off while that from Canada is growing, plus the fact that his current second wife is a Canadian.
The foregoing should provide you with a capsule summary of the man and hopefully alert you to deal cautiously with him, knowing that he is inclined.
You know, this is the kind of thing, you know, he attacked Jim McDonald.
He attacked University of Nebraska.
This is dirty pool.
I did move to Canada two weeks later, almost exactly two weeks later, because my wife is from Canada, and I've lived here for 25 years.
While we're on the subject, a listener asks, when you were younger, Stanton, did you ever feel that your interest in UFOs, public, it was kind of public, ever jeopardized your security clearance?
Okay, well, this really begs a bigger question, Stanton, and I'll ask it.
I've often wondered, you know, in my radio career, and I wonder if you've wondered if you were sort of an unintentional pawn that you were being used by certain people for certain purposes, and that occasionally things like this would happen that would seem unaccountably good luck.
Well, okay, I can tell you that the original MJ-12 documents, the briefing for President-elect Eisenhower, this cutler twining memo that I mentioned, and the Forrestall, Truman Forestall letter.
Music I think this would be a good place to plug Stanton's website.
Stanton, in separating the wheat from the chaff with regard to the MJ-12 documents, I would assume that on your website you have done so and have the documents no doubt available for download or whatever, right?
Well, they're in the book, and I have, yeah, actually there's a paper on there, sort of an update on Majestic 12, and this chapter in my book, a whole new chapter in the book just came out this past September.
It's already in a second printing, which is a good sign, I guess.
I review the objections, lots of them, that have come out since the book was originally published in 1996.
And there's been no shortage of objections.
But I try to point out, and I also point out, of course, that a bunch of documents are fraudulent.
Look, my approach to this kind of thing is I've been to 20 archives.
Early on, I talked to the families of all but two of the original MJ-12 people to get more insight into the people.
I look at their papers.
I find out what they were doing.
I found people who, a man named George Elsie worked for President Truman the entire time he was in the White House.
I didn't ask him, oh, are the documents genuine?
I asked, did you see any reason why they should be considered fraudulent?
And that one, you can see the watermark on it if you go to the National Archives.
And that tells you the name of the company, and it gives you the dictation onion skin, and you find out when it was made, and it fits.
Everything's okay on that score.
The security marking on it was top secret restricted.
And a whole bunch of people, including the government, said, oh, that wasn't in use at that time, obviously a fraud.
Well, the General Accounting Office, when they were doing a search for Roswell stuff for Congressman Stephen Schiff, noted that at one of the facilities they were visiting, several instances of the use of top secret restricted, even though they had been told, Majestic 12 in quotes, in parentheses, that it was not in use at that time.
And there were still, I forget, 40,000 at the Truman Library.
So, you know, the notion...
Yeah, one of the biggest objections, incidentally, I'll just mention two.
There are a bunch of others that I cover in this chapter in Top Secret Magic, second edition.
But one of them, a military man, said, look, it says briefing officer Admiral Roscoe H. Hillencoder.
He had been Director of Central Intelligence in 1947 at the end.
And he would never have called himself Admiral because he was only a rear admiral in 1952.
Ha ha, obviously a fraud.
Well, when I was at the Eisenhower Library, I had a bunch of memcons, memoranda of meetings actually at the White House, written by first Colonel and then Brigadier General Goodpastor.
And at the beginning of each of these memos, which often had a mix of civilians and military people, and some were top secret, some just plain secret, some confidential, he listed the attendees.
And in every case, he used generic rank, including for himself, General Goodpastor.
He didn't say Brigadier General, it signed Brigadier General.
So I asked the archivist, I said, what about this use of generic rank?
You know, general to mean lieutenant, major, brigadier, et cetera.
Admiral to cover all the variations.
I said, does that bother you?
And two different ones I asked independently.
No, that was standard practice.
One of Ike's books, he uses generic ranks.
And because I was at the Eisenhower Library, incidentally, they got big fat books that will tell you who everybody was.
So I could check to see whether General Jones was a one-star, two-star, or four-star, and almost always he wasn't a four-star.
Now, there's a whole bunch of other ones that I demonstrate again by finding the original, the technique that was used to create at least seven emulations, I call them.
You find a real document in a book, for example.
Found three of them in a book by General Albert C. Wiedemeyer.
Wiedemeyer reports.
He was a China expert who was sent to China in the summer of 1947.
There are three of the documents where the handwritten portions were Xeroxed or scanned.
It doesn't matter, same difference.
And they retyped it with just a few changes and a few mistakes, usually, to make what look like genuine documents.
But once you find the original and you see that this is clearly an emulation of that, so I found seven of those.
And the technique was the same in every case.
The handwritten stuff, three different words, I approve Harry S. Truman, July 9th, 1947.
People can quickly get your book and if they don't have a PayPal account, they can send me a check for $17 to Stanton Friedman, post office box 958 Holton, H-O-U-L-T-O-N, Main, M-E, 04730-0958.
If they get it from me, I autograph it, whether it's PayPal or by check.
I want to give out a toll-free number because I'm looking for people, Art, who have questions about this stuff.
I'm an optimist, and I say I will expect it, but of course, I could be hit by a truck tomorrow, you know.
So, yeah, I'm still optimistic.
We have a whole generation of people who are hooked on space, if you will.
They don't have any problem.
This new Australian survey, there's 60% of those, 80-some percent thought there's life in outer space, and 60% say they've already come here.
So we're getting rid of the old guys who aren't paying attention to the data.
You know, a great German physicist, Max Planck, once said, new ideas come to be accepted, not because their opponents come to believe in them, but because their opponents die, and a new generation grows up that's accustomed to them.
Now, what I'm looking for is a reporter who wants a Pulitzer Prize, you know, like Woodward Bernstein kind of thing.
And, you know, something else that's happening is relevant here.
The people's trust in the government of the United States telling the truth has...
One of them is, of course, Roswell people, people who were there, people who know about MJ-12, people who, like General DuBose, said to me when he was 86, what can they do to me now?
Yeah, I want Roswell-related or MJ-12-related people, but then I also want people who in 1952, I worked with Frank Fascino on his book, The Braxton County Monster, cover for the Flatwoods Monster Reveal, happening 1252.
And the kicker is that some people complained, you talk about dogfights between military planes and UFOs.
And I had to, we did a lot of looking, and we found loads of instances of such dogfights.
And what we also found, to my surprise, believe it or not, was that orders were issued to military pilots to shoot down UFOs if they don't land when instructed to do so.
Now, in addition to this, I have on seven different occasions heard from people quietly, nobody was looking for publicity on this, of situations in which more than one airplane went up after UFOs and fewer came down.
Yes, and as a matter of fact, in 1952, there was an unbelievable number of military aircraft crashes, including, and this one shook me up, there were three pilots who'd fought in Korea where they were being chased by MiGs, you know?
And so that one I happened to talk to, and I've talked to others who one guy was at Andrews Air Force Base in the middle of that fuss in 52, where two pilots went up, one came back, and the guy was just ashen-faced, and all he could say was he went straight up.
The other plane never came back, and they put out a story, it must have crashed into the ocean.
Roswell, people who were on the ground or other pilots who know about planes disappearing.
That was in 1952 when they were ordered to shoot down planes of UFOs if they didn't land when instructed.
Anybody who knows more about the Flatwoods Monster case, that was September 12th, 1952, Flatwoods, Virginia.
I'm also looking, I've been re-looking at the Betty and Barney Hill case, partly because the new book has some stupid things to say about that case, but I actually visited the location where the abduction took place, and I've dug out a lot more material.
And one of them was a letter that I had from the newsman who first broke that story, much to the Hill's shock, if you will, in a Boston paper.
He had found 10 or 12 other witnesses to a UFO that night.
That's September 19th and 20th, 1961, in New Hampshire.
It turns out there was also a radar sighting, not only from Pease Air Force Base in New Hampshire, but from a place in Vermont, a military radar sighting.
And as with the Braxton, the Flatwoods case, really, the Blue Book files have a lot more information that you never heard about.
And so I'm looking for those people to get in touch with me.
Witness names won't be used without permission because it's counterproductive for me to do that.
But before you go to the wild beyond, you sure ought to tell your story.
And as I said before, as General DuBose told me involved with the Roswell case, what can they do to me now?
He said that when he was 86, if he remembers anything more, he'll tell me.
And so, you know, these people are not young anymore.
The author, Dr. Susan Clancy, was on that Peter Jennings special.
We could spend a whole program talking about that, but I won't.
But there's a write-up on my website at triplew.stantonfriedman.com.
She was also in the Larry King special.
And she's, you know, pushing always toward sleep paralysis, totally ignoring, as they did on the air, the multiple witness cases, you know, like we got a new contagious disease, sleep paralysis, which is pretty silly.
But now she was going to switch to working with abductees.
She says, quote, here is a group that had repressed memories, but the memories would be much less painful to hear about than memories of childhood sexual abuse.
Even better, alien abductees were people who had developed memories of a traumatic event that I could be fairly certain had never occurred.
Yeah, another few words later, I needed to repeat the study, the sexual abuse study, really, with the population that I could be sure had recovered false memories.
Alien abduction seemed to fit the bill.
And then she goes on, she's talking about corroboration, which is a big issue in false memories.
And then she says, since it was certain that the event hadn't happened and provided further support for the hypothesis that people who recovered memories were creating false memories of events they had merely imagined.
And all she says about that is she makes a quick comment, and then he wrote a book, and then there was a movie, and he wrote another book.
And, you know, like, there's something wrong with writing books, she says, in a book that she has written based on work that was done under government research contract.
Maybe a scientist just simply makes the assumption that, look, this stuff didn't happen, so let's look at the psychological reason that this person thinks it did happen.
Well, but again, the question is, what do you think she would conclude, or do you conclude, about the percentage of real versus apparent other problems?
Well, I think that, you know, if you look at investigated cases, and remember, all she did was run an ad in the paper looking for people who claimed to have been abducted.
And she said she threw out the obvious nuts, and there were some, and of course there would be.
I find some of these, or these people find me.
I don't find them occasionally.
But it's a significant number of people who have been abducted and who have recalled the whole experience.
Boy, I'll say, listen, I could open the phone lines right now, and we'd be flooded abduction after abduction after abduction, and they would tell their stories in some great detail.
Well, what I want is the cases that have been investigated by somebody like Bud, you see, who doesn't lead his witnesses and does everything possible to mislead them, if you can.
And remember that a significant percentage, 20 or more percent of the people that Bud worked, who came to him because they thought they had a possible experience, he concluded didn't have an experience, that there were other problems there.
So it's not like he jumps on a bandwagon with everybody.
And, you know, that's the crazy thing here, that, you know, if you're going to focus on supernova, for example, most stars are not supernovas, you know, but there are some that are.
You throw out the stuff that's irrelevant to what you're looking at.
Are there phony reports of abductions?
Of course.
Look, every police force will tell you they get confessions from people who couldn't possibly have committed the crime.
You know, but that's the price you pay.
I asked an RCMP officer here in Fredericton, where the provincial capital, I said, look, when you have a high-profile case, say a murder, and you ask for help from the public, do you get a lot of response?
He says, oh, yes, we get hundreds of calls.
What percentage of those are useful, I asked.
Oh, two or three percent, he said, but that's how we solve most crimes.
The only case I know about is the Hill case, which gives us a star map, which is a long-involved story.
But those beings apparently come from a planet around either Zeta 1 or Zeta 2 reticuli, two constellations in the southern sky, two stars in the southern sky constellation of reticulum.
They're fascinating.
They're the closest to each other, pair of sun-like stars.
They're graduate students doing their thesis work on the development of a primitive society.
They're radio broadcasters with a weekly show, Idiocy and the Boondocks.
They're mining the heavy metals here.
Earth is the densest planet in the solar system.
Not the people, probably true too, but more heavy metals like iridium and platinum and rhodium and tungsten and gold and uranium, which rhenium, one of my favorites, which have very high density and very special properties, and you ain't going to find a lot of them around anyplace else.
Well, yeah, but also when I get down to the bottom of the list, I really say that I think they're here at this particular time because they want to quarantine us before they approach us.
We're a primitive society whose major activity is obviously tribal warfare.
We're very good at killing, not so good at feeding our starving kids and dying of sicknesses that could be prevented.
And what, 30,000 a day was the last number I've heard.
This is a planet that killed 50 million of its own kind during World War II, destroyed 1,700 cities.
Maybe somebody who's listening to the show tonight has a piece of wreckage in his drawer and will talk to me at my toll-free number, which we'll give at the end of the hour.
Well, yeah, but still, in terms of your statistics, they're not very accurate with smaller numbers.
So I found that interesting.
And look, there have been polls for 30 years showing that people in engineering and scientific work, two-thirds of them who expressed an opinion said they thought UFOs are real.
Okay, you're one of many, many who actually say that, that UFOs follow them.
It's quite common.
unidentified
It's protection.
And there was a UFO over Phoenix the day my father was injured.
I just had UFOs.
And then on October 6, 1985, after coming from the World Trade Centers in Japan and making a speech, I was up at the SETI Towers on Laguna Mountain.
And what came down to meet me, and I know now that I have been getting information from what the fire department here calls the mothership, the holy city, Revelations 21, came down and crystallized.
I was with someone.
Those towers, the city towers, that are three big bubbles, as Dan probably knows, turned colors.
And this bright cobalt blue light was bouncing around in the cloud.
And as it came closer to the earth, it crystallized into the holy city as John describes in Revelation 21.
But on the other hand, again, I pointed this out to somebody in the first hour, Stanton.
The Catholic Church marched over all kinds of environmental obstacles to get this observatory in Arizona that they want to look into the heavens for obviously some very important reason, or they wouldn't go to all that trouble to really push their way through to get it, but they got it.
The same thing happened when we first put, when the space age started, suddenly all the churches were saying, well, that doesn't interfere with our view of the universe.
You know, they hadn't said a word about it beforehand.
If we began to get a rash of craft that we could not identify, but that we could get close enough to to shoot at, is it your understanding that that's what we would now do?
Yes, I've often wondered, pondered how poor an idea it is to shoot at something that would be, I don't know, thousands of years ahead of you technologically, just a bad idea.
In the years since Roswell, Stanton, there have been a number of, how can I class them, large incidents that have occurred in South Africa, in South America.
I'm sure you know the cases to which I refer.
Nothing the size, perhaps, of Roswell.
Some of them, though, in South America coming pretty close in some of the stories of the case is pretty exciting.
I want to hear from people who know about the time sightings about the Hill case, West Virginia Flatwoods, the shoot-down the airplanes case, and Roswell, of course.
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