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May 15, 2005 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Nick Cook - Antigravity and Zero Point Energy - Jeff Willes - New Phoenix Lights

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Desert and Brave American Southwest.
		I bid you all.
		Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's time zones.
		Prolific as they are, and covered like a blanket, every one of them, by this program.
		Post-to-post.
		A very much of an alternative kind of voice.
		Provide them to cover at the beginning, my webcam shot this night.
		Taken just a very few moments ago with my beautiful wife, Ramona, right behind me.
		And so you can see the state of the room and the smile on my beautiful wife's face right behind me.
		Just having to stare at my ugly mug.
		Now, the Earth is being bombarded from the time I got off the air last night, actually prior to that, through right now.
		Well, forecasters at the NOAA Space Environment Center in Boulder, Colorado observed a geomagnetic storm on Sunday, May 15th, which they classified as an extreme event measuring G5, the highest level on the NOAA space weather scales.
		And I can certainly vouch for that.
		We all got together, and we gather on 38, 40 kilohertz, on 75 meters, usually after the program.
		And everybody sounded like they were underwater, which, of course, was in effect produced by the aurora, which many saw kind of a pink sky.
		In fact, we had a little pinkish sky here in the desert telling you how far down the aurora reached.
		So the sun is raging, even though we're at kind of a low spot in the sunspot cycle.
		The sun is absolutely raging out there.
		Now, last night I told you I had breaking news and that Jeff Wilkes, that's his name, had actually taken video of what appear to be the Phoenix Lights, not way back when, but instead on May 12th, just a few days ago.
		Jeff and some others, for whatever reason, we're going to find out right now, they actually represent an organization, I guess, in Phoenix.
		Well, let's find out.
		Jeff, welcome to the program.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		It's great.
		It's an honor to be on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to have you.
		You have an organization in Phoenix.
		Now, a UFO-type organization, right?
unidentified		Right.
		My name's Jeff Willis, and I run the website UFOsOverPhoenix.com.
		So I get lots of reports, lots and lots of sighting reports.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was your organization born out of the original Phoenix Lights thing or what?
unidentified		It actually was.
		I videotaped the original Phoenix Lights at 7.30 that night before the other incidents that happened.
		So it pretty much inspired me to start hunting these things on video full-time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Full-time.
		Okay.
		When you say full-time, are you out every night, every other night?
		What?
unidentified		Every night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every night.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's dedication, all right.
		And so this occurred, what we've got on tape here, or has been recorded.
		I want to know how you record it.
		First of all, everybody should know that what you're getting on the website right now is pretty good.
		It's not, you know, it had to be, we had to shrink it down a little bit from the original.
		The original is sparkling clear, and this is pretty good.
		What we've got here is pretty good.
		So this was taken on the night of the 12th?
unidentified		Yeah, this was on the 12th at about 7.30.
		And we were up there.
		Well, I better start from the beginning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Basically, I was contacted about a year or so ago from this guy named Rob that's been studying the phenomenon in northwest Phoenix.
		And we went out to his house, and sure enough, he's been getting some lights on video.
		So a few months passed, and I started receiving some more emails from a guy named Josh that was seeing the objects in Cave Creek.
		So we went out to the site on the 12th, and we were looking around for lights, and sure enough, about 7.30, the first set of three lights appeared, and then the far light to the right skipped across in front ahead of the other two, and then the other light went out, and it skipped again ahead of the other two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then reappeared behind the cloud, right?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or from behind the cloud, right.
		You know, they've done, first of all, thank you, everybody at the website for getting this up for us in a timely manner.
		But they did a snap.
		They've got a little square around the lights on the front of the website right now, CoastCozaum.com, of course.
		And I swear, you look carefully, you can almost make out a form to go with this, or imagine that you can.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you seeing that?
unidentified		Well, actually, yes, I am.
unidentified		And a matter of fact, we slowed the video down, and you can see as the light disappears and reappears in a different area, you can see it streak to that area like it's moving so fast that you can't see it until it reappears.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of video equipment were you using?
unidentified		Well, at that moment, I was using my friend's video camera.
		We have several cameras, and I was using a Sony HandyCam.
		It's a DCR HC85 super steady shot.
		It's got 10 optical zoom and 120 digital zoom.
		It's got a Carl lens, and that's one of the best lenses there is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, it's an extremely clear shot.
		Extremely clear.
		And when you sent it to me, you said you had not yet sent it to anybody else.
		I would think this video in its own way is so startling, you probably could have gone and sold it.
unidentified		Well, see, the thing is, only the researchers that I work with have a copy of the video.
		I emailed it to them earlier.
		And the thing is I don't want to sell my footage really.
		You know, if it's going to be on some big old documentary and they want to pay me for my footage, I don't have a problem with that because it's real UFO video.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure is.
unidentified		And we spend a lot of money and a lot of time hunting for these things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you do.
unidentified		And so it would be kind of a payback in a way because we spend so much time.
unidentified		But I must say, most of my footage, when I look for footage, I spend most of my time looking for UFOs during the daytime because I do have way more day shots than I do night shots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting also.
		Now, is Phoenix, do you feel that Phoenix is obviously a continuing hotspot?
		I mean, what's going on in Phoenix?
unidentified		Yeah, Phoenix has always been a hotbed for UFOs, but it comes in waves and flaps, I noticed, in different towns, too.
		You know, like in 2001, or 2000 through 2001, they had the red light sightings over there in Gilbert.
		And if you check, I'm sure you're familiar with, obviously, with Peter Davenport's site, but if you ever check Peter's site on the Arizona page, you'll notice the waves that they come in.
		Like Gilbert will get a lot of sightings, and then Chandler, you know, they come in waves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, out of curiosity, after you filmed this, you quickly called Luke Air Force Base, right?
unidentified		Yeah, well, I called them that night, and they said to call the public relations office in the morning, so I called the public relations office, and I talked to a lieutenant, and the lieutenant told me, after checking with some other people, after being on hold for about 10 minutes, they said that they had no idea what I saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No idea.
		No idea.
		Did they want to see your video?
unidentified		No, they should express no interest whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No interest.
		Well, obviously what you caught was something really big or something at the very least very strange.
		And isn't it a little odd that the Air Force, which is responsible for homeland security and keeping our skies and us safe, would have no interest?
unidentified		Yeah, that's what I was telling the other researchers.
		I think that it's my obligation to let these people know that this phenomenon is happening over people's houses.
		And I think the government really should come forward and tell the people that the UFO phenomenon is real and it exists.
		Because with this type of smoking gun evidence, how can they deny it?
		I think it's over already just because of the video camera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank God for the video camera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you say to those who say, well, somehow in some weird way or reflection or something, he caught some kind of airplane?
unidentified		Well, that's very laughable because anybody that can see the video, like how you seen it when I sent it, the quality of it without it being all compressed, even though it's still remarkable on the website, it still looks good.
unidentified		You can just tell by the way that the object moves that it's moving at such an incredible speed that if we have this and this is a secret airplane of the United States, then I think everybody can rest easy from now on because we have something out there that can totally annihilate anybody, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, obviously.
		Also, I would say that if any documentary maker wants to contact you, they should because the original video is so clear that I would think with some fancy equipment, that could be blown up without losing a lot of resolution to the point where you might make some more discoveries, definitely.
		At any rate, in that little square on the front page, you can watch the video, folks.
		The video is very exciting.
		But in the little square, I think I can...
unidentified		Right, right.
unidentified		The first set of lights, it appears in three, like it is a triangular shape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And then the other two appear to the left of that, and as the other lights go off, as it skips across the sky, it's just amazing to watch it because it's so real.
unidentified		Actually, to tell you the truth, on the video end of the UFO investigation, I've been doing it for 10 years, and I've shot a lot of day video and quite a little, you know, a bit of night footage, and this is the best, best I've ever shot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely no question about it.
		I mean, for one thing, it's a major occurrence over Phoenix.
		Now, when we have the Phoenix lights, let me go ahead and do my break and get right back to you.
		Stay right where you are.
		be right back Once again, Jeff Willis, and I want to again specify that I have the original uncompressed version of what you're seeing on the website right now.
		You can actually run the video.
		You can go to the website and run the video, and it is quite spectacular.
		The uncompressed version is ever more spectacular.
		I mean, it's just perfectly clear.
		And I'll say it again.
		Anybody who wants something really odd for a documentary, this is it.
		And I think that with the proper video equipment, it could be made to even look much better because you can dig down a little without losing resolution.
		So you captured one, Jeff.
		Were there any other reports out of curiosity?
unidentified		That's what I was getting to.
		I think it's amazing that when I taped this, that it was actually partly daylight still.
		The sun was just starting to go down, so it was just starting to get dark.
		So you can see in between each object, and you can almost make out a shape, but at the same time, it's kind of clear, like see-through, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But were radio stations inundated with calls?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did Peter Davenport do that?
unidentified		That's what I was getting to.
		The sighting lasts about seven seconds, I would say.
		And with the city's biggest Phoenix with about 3 million people, you would think that we would get some reports.
		But I really have not done a proper investigation to see if anybody had reported this thing on Thursday night at 7.30 because I've been so busy since this happened getting ready, getting the files ready on the website.
		So if anybody saw this on Thursday, I would really like you to contact me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there's a way to contact you on the website, which we've got listed up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jeff, what drives you to do this?
unidentified		Well, I had some experiences when I was k a kid that really drove me to it.
		I seen a close-up UFO when I was 10 years old, and I bought my first 35-millimeter camera when I was 13 to try to get a still photo of the UFO again.
		And from that point, it just progressed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's been with you all your life, really?
unidentified		Pretty much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Adult life.
unidentified		Pretty much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you sure did nail it this time, buddy.
unidentified		Yeah, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you were forced to make a guess about what you obviously caught on video here, what do you think you were taping?
unidentified		Well, I would have to base it on everything that I taped up to the point that I taped that, because that puts the puzzle together for me, that this is definitely extraterrestrial vehicles, for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you say that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As against the possibility of experimental United States government stuff.
unidentified		Well, because basically the way that the crafts move, I mean, I know that we could have some intelligence that could make it move rather quickly, but just what I to see it with my own eyes, to be able to see that, the only thing I can really tell you is, in my opinion, I don't think it's us at all, for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, whatever it is, it's a big coup.
		And I've told everybody who ever interviewed me seriously on this topic of UFOs that, look, in view of what these craft are able to do, it's either them or if it's us, then we have technology way, way beyond anything even hinted at.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either way, though, it's a big story.
unidentified		It is, and I think that the government should really come out and just tell us that they're here.
		It's been too long already.
		Other governments have, so why can't we?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, buddy, you're going to take a lot of hits on your site tonight.
unidentified		Thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good luck and keep on trucking.
unidentified		Definitely, and I'll get the next one to you if it's that good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By all means.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It took you how long to get this one?
unidentified		Well, we've been hunting the area for a better part of a month right now, but we had visited the area several times before that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just waiting hours and hours each time?
unidentified		Well, yeah.
unidentified		Sometimes we wait like an hour, and then sometimes we catch something right away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my friend.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And for those who would like to see it, we've got it up on the website right now.
		And you can get it in streaming form.
		Now, in getting it to reasonable streaming form, knowing that millions of you would hit the site, which you're presently doing, it had to be compressed a little bit.
		And I am sorry for that.
		But believe me when I tell you, the version I have, which I don't know, is probably about eight megs or so, is just, it's absolutely knock you down spectacular.
		So congratulations, Jeff.
		What you got is obviously anomalous and deserves explanation, not that I think one will be forthcoming.
		The bodies of 38 men shot execution style were found dumped around an abandoned chicken farm, a trash-strewn lot, and an insurgent stronghold west of the capital in Baghdad on Sunday.
		The grisly finds were the latest in an endless stream of violence, much of it designed to destabilize Iraq's new government and hasten a U.S. retreat.
		All this occurring as Rice visits Iraq.
		Newsweek magazine has apologized for errors in a story alleging that interrogators at the U.S. Detention Center in Guantanamo Bay desecrated the Quran, saying it would re-examine the accusations, which sparked outrage and deadly protests in Afghanistan.
		15 people died, scores injured in violence between protesters and security forces, prompting U.S. promises to investigate the allegations in Afghanistan.
		Muslim leaders gave Washington three days to offer a response to the story.
		Doctors were just hoping to treat symptoms when they gave people with a deadly blood disorder a drug to reduce the need for transfusion.
		Surprise, surprise.
		Nearly half of them had the disease go into arrest altogether.
		Remember now, this is how so many good drugs are found.
		They think they'll do one thing and they end up doing another.
		Specialists said the experimental drug, Revlimid, now looks like a breakthrough and the first effective treatment for many people with mitoplastic syndrome or MDS, which is even more common than leukemia.
		So that would indeed be a very large breakthrough.
		The Yellowstone caldera has been classified now as a high threat for volcanic eruption, according to a report from the U.S. Geological Survey.
		They rate Yellowstone now as 21st, you might want to know, as most dangerous of the 169 volcano centers in the U.S. Yellowstone ranking 21st of that 169, Kilauea in Hawaii received the highest overall threat score, followed by Mount St. Helens, Mount Rainier in Washington, Mount Hood in Oregon, and Mount Shasta in California.
		On near which mountain, I wonder, do you live?
		Here's a very interesting story called The Dark Side of the Band, and I wish I had time to read it all.
		But basically, it talks about those weird shortwave numbers stations, you know, stations Where a young lady will be heard going 5, 27, 64, 33, 12.
		And then she will just endlessly go on like that.
		Well, interestingly, in England, where they have sort of, oh, sort of admitted that, yes, these kind of stations are there, and they're there for a very good reason.
		The agency making that exclamation put an ad in a newspaper looking for, and I remember it's coming from a British intelligence agency.
		It says, part-time cleaner, domestic support, £16,903 per rada.
		Some of the work we do makes front-page news.
		Some of it remains strictly behind the scenes.
		But whether you read all about it or not, we play a vital role in helping protect the U.K. from threats like crime, drugs, and terrorism.
		We want you to go under the covers in our London office and ensure it's clean and tidy.
		Duties aren't set in stone, though, so you should be flexible and willing to lend a hand whenever we need it.
		That's a job for a cleaner.
		A cleaner for MI-12 or whatever.
		Part-time cleaner slash domestic support.
		Don't forget, duties are flexible and you should be willing to lend a hand whenever we might need it.
		In other words, even as a duster and a cleaner, be ready to lay down your life for the mother country.
		From the high desert in the middle of the night, this is Coast to Coast AM.
		Open lines coming right up.
unidentified		Once upon a time, once when you were a
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		Thank you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		John in Buford, Georgia, offers up the obvious, hey, Art, a cleaner, is usually spoken of in these circles as a hitman.
		Be careful who you ask to do your cleaning.
		Well, right.
		Right, John, I know.
		I knew that as I read this cute little paragraph published in a London paper.
		Would you respond to an ad like that from a, well, the equivalent of our CIA?
		Would you be intrigued enough to want to be, perhaps, a cleaner?
unidentified		A cleaner?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just before going to the lines, once again, I want to thank Jeff Willis for capturing for us what is clearly a second case of Phoenix Lights, not as widely seen, but no less mysterious at all, and captured in very high-resolution video.
		And once again, I want to warn those of you that are going to the site that you're seeing a somewhat compressed version of it.
		The original is just sparkling clear.
		I mean, some of the, you know, it looks like commercial grade video.
		And my feeling is that any good video studio could probably dig down quite a bit without losing original resolution and perhaps even get form from this object or objects that Jeff Willis filmed.
		Hot stuff.
		Believe me, hot stuff.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		How you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I've been listening to your show for years, you and George, and actually this is the first time I've called, and I've got right in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why we have a first-time caller line.
unidentified		I know this is a little bit off the subject.
		I wanted to mention Father Malachi Martin, who I guess you had interviewed several times over the years before he died.
		I was curious, how many interviews did you do with him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I honestly don't know.
		It was quite a large number.
		I interviewed him originally and realized that I had found a gold mine, and he was definitely a one-of-a-kind man.
		There's no replacing Father Malachi Martin.
		There's nobody else like him.
		He definitely was one of a kind, believe me.
unidentified		Oh, indeed.
		I heard the first interview that he gave with him.
		It totally intrigued me, and I'd just been trying to find any information on him.
		Actually, I was going to go look for a couple of his books I wanted to read.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would hardly recommend it.
		He had the inside key to the Vatican.
		He knew what really was going on in the Vatican.
		And I still am not personally convinced of the manner of his death.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Really?
		Well, I think that I did not know.
		What year did he die?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gee, what's it been now?
		I don't know.
		I'd have to look it up.
		It's been, what, three or four years ago now?
unidentified		Yeah, very intriguing man.
		I saw the exorcist as a child and scared the hell out of me.
		And, you know, you just go on and you think, it's all hocus pocus.
		But there was something in that man in his interview.
		He's very believable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		There was no hocus pocus involved in Father Malachi Martin.
		None at all.
		Let me see.
		Father Malachi Martin, born July 23rd, 1921, ordained August 15th of 1954, and passed away July 27th.
		There you go, of 1999.
		So it's been a while.
		He was an incredible, incredible man.
		Definitely one of a kind.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hi.
unidentified		Oh, hi there.
		I'm Dave, driving my independent cab about 30 miles northwest of New York.
		And, well, I was busy last night, but I did tune in a little after 3.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And, yeah, it was a classic show.
		I'm sorry I only heard the last, well, I guess I missed the first hour of the interview.
		As I tuned in, you mentioned something about the field, and tonight we are having more bombardments through the atmosphere.
		This brought to mind a connection between a couple of shows from last year, and the first couple times I tried to call late last summer through the holidays.
		My contribution was kind of half-formed, but it was carried by enthusiasm.
		And then you finally provided what I felt was the capper to it.
		And bear with me here a moment.
		You had, oh, late, to meet the late summer last year, Lunick Taggart discussing her book about the zero-point field.
		Correct.
		And I was enthralled because it was so close to my Lumen's theories that I'd pieced together through my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're aware that Nick Cook, who wrote Hunt for a Zero Point, is going to be our guest, you know, tonight.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't know that?
		My goodness, man.
		Right on point.
unidentified		The symmetry won't quit because there was a moment from last night and tonight, which was the field, and he's talking about the atmosphere, that brought to mind a connection between three shows last year, and this would be two triple crowns.
		And I'm just going to chew away my customers so I can give you my full attention tonight.
		Well, from last year, when you first had Lynn McTaggart on, like I said, I was enthralled, and I had to call.
		I didn't have much to say.
		Matter of fact, the first time you ever answered the phone, these drunken revelers stumbled into the street in front of me.
		You answered the phone, I went, I'm flustered.
		And you said, okay, which was about all you could say.
		Two weeks later, you had on Chief, I believe the last name's Becker, who was the holographic, not holographic, the lie detector tracings.
		And about five minutes into the interview, I was like, well, this is the field at work.
		Later in the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
		I don't know.
		But I do know that I do know that the subject we're going to tackle tonight with Nick Cook, Hunt for Zero Point.
		You know, our planet's in trouble.
		Energy-wise, we're in really big trouble.
		And there is going to have to be something like this.
		If not zero point, then something like it.
		And maybe there is no replacement for it.
		Maybe that's what we must find.
		An energy source that is all around us.
		I've had some hint with the experiments that I've done here that it's very real.
		I don't know.
		I've just got hints of it.
		You know, I've got, as you know, five acres of antenna up here, a very, very large antenna on 13 towers.
		And there is an unaccountably large amount of voltage that is always present on this antenna.
		On clear, calm, sunny days, you can measure that voltage as well as you can on stormy days.
		Measuring it on stormy days carries a significant risk with it, so I don't really do that.
		But even on the clean, clear, windless, cloudless days, that energy is always present.
		And so there's something to it all.
		It's Tesla-like, it's zero-point, it's something, but there is definitely an energy that perhaps we can tap.
		Well, hopefully we can tap.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yes.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Ian.
		I'm known also by Rocky on the World Wide Web.
		I want to talk about the lights there over Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I actually live in upstate New York, Glenn Falls area.
		And those wipes in the video feed that you have on your website is pretty same as the wipes I see, but I see in different color.
		I see them in white leaps in the air, and sometimes I see them one or two at a time, and they pulsate in the air.
		And they flash like a light going on really fast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you saw the video tonight, did it remind you of what you see?
unidentified		Yes, very much.
unidentified		Because the waves, like the lights one place at a time, and then it zooms over at a high speed to another spot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly right, yes.
unidentified		See, the lights I see in upstate New York, they're actually white, and they pulsate really fast for probably almost a second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is no question, sir.
		There's something in our skies.
		No doubt, some of it is ours.
		I'm sure we're doing experimental work, although not as advanced as would be suggested by what you see here in this video and many other things.
		At least not that I know of.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good evening.
		I'm Scott Anaheim, California.
		Hey.
		in reference to Phoenix Lights, the other gentleman feels it's not of this origin, yet you feel that it is some form of domestic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		Let's be very careful.
		I think there's about a 50-50, maybe 60-40 probability in favor of it being U.S. experimental aircraft.
		But when I say 60-40, the 60 is in favor of extraterrestrial because these things do things that, sir, we just don't have yet.
unidentified		Indeed, let's say it is not of this origin.
unidentified		Why always Phoenix?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good question.
unidentified		And then if it is a United States in coalition with an outside source, running experiments, why Phoenix?
		Even crop circles don't happen in the same area.
		And that's the only thing I can't figure out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't either, but I can tell you this much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite obviously, have you seen the video yet?
unidentified		I've seen not the one you're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you've seen the original one, huh?
		I don't have the answer as to why Phoenix, but there's nothing hooked up about it.
		Clearly, it's the real McCoy, such as a UFO is a real McCoy.
		I mean, it's really beyond easy explanation.
unidentified		Well, how about being a ham radio operator like yourself, you know about atmospheric conditions, you know about the ionization.
		Could it be very much, you were talking about Tesla.
		I'd read Tesla's autobiography.
		He believes that electricity does exist in the air somehow that could be extracted.
		Now, he based this on the theory that he must have saw something such as the physics lights.
		Again, that's a theory of compound theory.
		But I appreciate your time, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		All right.
		Take care.
		I'm not sure that any sightings Tesla had relates to the theory of energy virtually in the atmosphere all around us.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I was going to talk to Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are talking to Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, sir.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're actually on the air right now, and so having on the radio is a bad thing.
unidentified		Well, what we need is the kingdom of God that Jesus spoke about.
		All these problems that man has no solution for.
		Yes.
		We need God's rulership, because man's rulership has not brought us anywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but God bestowed upon us, sir, free will.
		And so he's sort of standing back and watching right now.
		And I guess that's the whole game.
		We were given free will, and so we're going to do what we're going to do.
unidentified		But man has misused that free will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you want him to come down and rule like Saddam, huh?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		A loving rulership.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A loving rule of the ship.
unidentified		Where people can be united in peace with one another.
unidentified		Not all these divisive governments that are out there killing one another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So would all the governments then cede their power to God when he arrived?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that how it would work?
unidentified		Well, that's what the Bible speaks about in the Battle of Armageddon, man's war against God.
unidentified		And it's coming down to it where you're having all these religious wars, and people were saying that this war on terrorism is actually a war on Islam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about that.
		Certainly it could turn out, God help us, that we would be at war with Islam.
		Nobody wants that to happen.
		I noticed the President in all his statements has been extremely careful to delineate between the terrorists, the small number of Islamic terrorists, and Islam itself, the larger Islam.
		We don't want a war with Islam, and I hope it doesn't turn out to be that.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
unidentified		I'm an over-the-road truck driver over here just south of Washington, D.C. tonight.
		And I've got a question for you.
		Refresh my memory, when exactly did you have that UFO titano amount?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The one of the triangle?
		Yes.
		It was, I believe, 1997, sir.
		I think it was 97.
unidentified		Okay.
		On that note, you know, personally, I tend to think that most of them are UFOs as well.
		And don't you think that...
		Correct.
		Yes, extraterrestrial craft.
		And with that thought in mind, as long as the government, I don't doubt that they do have experimental aircraft, but as long as people have been reporting seeing these triangular-shaped craft, if they were U.S. government, I mean, I would think that we would have used them somewhere, tested them somewhere Americans would have seen them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do agree with that.
		I really do agree with that.
		Actually, now, prior to my sighting, our sighting, I should say, my wife and I have that incredible craft.
		I mean, it was so close you could have thrown a rock if you hadn't been in total shock.
		These kinds of sightings were prolific in Belgium.
		And then I think we had one of the first ones in the U.S. And following our sighting, there were, well, of course, the rest is history.
		There have been sightings all over the country, thousands of them of these triangles.
		East of the Rockies, you're on here.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Is this Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good guess.
unidentified		Okay.
		Yes.
		I'm calling from Central Texas.
		My name's JC.
		I'm listening on KLIF in Dallas.
		Right.
		About, well, I know it's exactly 40 years ago because the night before 9-11, you had happened onto something on the radio with the numbers, random numbers.
		It was a man giving them.
		And you played it quite a while.
		And then what has kind of bothered me for all these years is about two weeks later, there was a newscast saying that they had raided one of the apartments in Boston of the suspected terrorists.
		And they said that in one of the pairs of trousers that they located there in the apartment, sewn in one of the pockets was a small strip of paper with random numbers on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wouldn't doubt it for a second.
		I mean, numbers are used as codes by terrorists and by our government and the British government, and people have been trying for years to figure out what these numbers stations exactly are.
		There are those, for example, who think they have something to do with the use of nuclear devices only in some number of years.
		For example, there is a very intriguing station that's at 46, 25 kilohertz.
		46, 25 kilohertz.
		The same station on that frequency has been broadcasting the same signal for 20 years.
		A buzzing tone repeated 25 times a minute, which has earned it the nickname the buzzer.
		And it's located about 30 kilometers northwest of Moscow.
		Apart from the buzzing, 4625 has only broadcast voice messages twice in all of those years.
		Why the frequency is being reserved is a total mystery.
		One avid listener, a shortwave enthusiast who served in the Canadian military, suggested, quote, it is a last reserve frequency reserved for extreme emergencies, such as just prior to the potential outbreak of nuclear conflict, end quote.
		Fascinating stuff.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Hello.
		Going once, going twice, gone.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Art, how you doing, Tim from Chandler, Arizona?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Listen, maybe someday I'll get my extra and come and talk to you on 384, but for now, good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
unidentified		Hey, whatever happened to William Cooper?
unidentified		And did you ever interview him on your show?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, William Cooper was shot.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not aware of what happened to William Cooper?
unidentified		Well, I don't know the details, but I...
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sheriff's deputy, actually.
unidentified		Okay.
		So you never had him on your show as a guest, huh?
		Never.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just curious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Curiosity solved.
unidentified		Thank you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only have a moment.
		We're about to have to close up for this hour.
		What's up?
unidentified		Okay, we got some information.
		Have you ever heard of Newswatch magazine?
		We got some information about this thing with this war in Iraq.
		We found out it was planned decades ago by the British.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the British?
unidentified		Yeah, and they said William Trotsky, which is Leo Trotsky's son, and the British, they're communist neoconservatives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's good.
unidentified		And they all planned this decades ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
		All right, well, listen, I've got to run.
		However, I did have an article here on the British having released a document that virtually says the war in Iraq had nothing to do with WMDs.
		And before the war ever broke out, we pretty much knew that.
		From the high desert in the middle of the night, Nick Cook's coming up with the hunt for zero point.
		I'm Art Thess.
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		Oh, I'm waiting by your side.
		You've been loved.
		I've been rushed to know.
		You've been loved.
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		Good morning, everybody.
		I think everybody would agree the world is in trouble with respect to energy.
		We all know we're in trouble.
		Big trouble, actually.
		And one of the very first things usually mentioned as something that might come along and save us is this so-called zero-point Energy.
		My guest tonight, Nick Cook, wrote a book called The Hunt for Zero Point.
		Nick Cook is an award-winning defense and aerospace journalist who for the past 15 years has been aviation editor and aerospace consultant of the world-renowned trade publication James Defense Weekly.
		Nick is a regular contributor to the Financial Times and has written for numerous newspapers in the United Kingdom.
		His analysis was sought by UK, U.S., and other world news media during the 91 Gulf War and the 99 Kosovo conflict.
		In his 18-year career, Nick has visited the world's leading defense establishments and has gained access to numerous top secret military facilities and bases in the U.S. and former Soviet Union.
		In addition, Cook's two-hour documentary for the Discovery Channel, Billion Dollar Secret, detailed for the first time the inner workings of America's classified weapons establishment.
		In a moment, Nick Cook will begin reading totally classified documents to us.
		The End Now, naturally, I was kidding about the classified documents.
		However, if he wants to read us a few, that'd be fine.
		Nick, welcome to the program.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, Art, or good morning from London.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing quite well.
		That's right.
		It's morning now in London, isn't it?
unidentified		It is.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we have a suitably watery sun floating up above the London skyline here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, a typical London sun.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		I'm afraid to say wholly typical, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Here later today, we're expecting 50 mile per hour winds.
		So the weather's getting pretty wild.
		Nick, you know, I think it would be worth a few moments just talking about zero point itself.
		Now, at this point, zero point is really, I don't want to say it's a myth, but it's a hope, it's a dream, but we can't put our hands around it yet and start running the power plants from it yet, right?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		That is true.
		I mean, I think it is more than safe to say that the idea that this zero-point energy field exists and that it is teeming with subatomic particles that flash in and out of existence.
		I mean, that is the concept of zero-point energy.
		That idea is pretty well rooted in science.
		The problem, of course, that we all face is coming up with an engineering solution to extract that energy from the vacuum of space in meaningful quantities.
		Because that energy soaks everything, of course, it is very difficult to get to.
		So I think the concept that it is there is undisputable.
		The challenge from here on in lies in extracting it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I'd like to understand how undisputable it really is.
		What is the best evidence even for the existence of zero-point energy?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are a number of experiments that have been carried out.
		I mean, one of the probably the best known is the Casimir experiment.
		Now, some people do dispute whether the Casimir experiment, which basically involves the placing of two plates, flat plates very close together, metal plates very close together, separated by an infinitesimally small distance.
		Now, the pressure of the vacuum of the zero-point energy field presses those plates together.
		And that, in most people's eyes, certainly the supporters' camp, definitively proves that there is this thing, the zero-point energy field.
		Now, of course, others do dispute this, but in general terms, I think it is accepted that the zero-point energy field stemming from that experiment is shown to be valid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much evidence is there, Nick, that what Nicola Tesla was investigating was, in fact, zero-point energy?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, Tesla, of course, is a very famous case.
		And it's difficult to say definitively that what Tesla was tapping into, again, was associated with the zero-point field.
		But the zero-point field does appear to underlie a lot of these manifestations and effects that appear.
		For example, I know some of your I'm not so familiar with Tesla.
		I know lots of people have made very, very in-depth analyses of what Tesla did.
		I kind of like to quote John Hutchison because I have made a study of John Hutchison and I think he's familiar to many of your listeners.
		I mean, John is a Canadian, he's an inventor, he lives up in Vancouver, and his work, which basically involved the John set up an amazing laboratory in which he used many, many different types of equipment, beaming energy into a localized area to manifest effects.
		Now, those effects stemmed from levitation.
		They stemmed from a molecular kind of disruption of the metals and materials that he put into the zone of influence.
		There were moments In which those materials appeared to be there and disappear, almost as if for a while they were there but in some other dimension, perhaps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you been an observer of his experiments?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		I haven't been an observer of his experiments, but I have spoken to people who have.
		One of them, John Alexander, Colonel John Alexander of INSCOM, I'm sure, again, a name more than familiar to many of your listeners.
		I have spoken to at length about John Hutchison.
		And John Alexander was the head of an evaluation team backed with Pentagon Money that in the 1980s went and evaluated the Hutchison effects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He has expressed some reservations, though.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		His reservations were based on the fact that when they came up and did the experiments, the full manifestations of the Hutchison effect were not seen.
		But John has gone on the record.
		He certainly told me that four out of the five evaluators of that team came away believing that what John Hutchinson was saying was essentially valid.
		There was one sceptic in the camp, and he could not be convinced.
		But in many ways, this whole debate, this zero-point energy debate, is one of mindset.
		If you are predisposed not to see this, not to see it coming, then in my experience, no amount of persuasion is going to change your worldview.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, but that would seem to suggest the ever-so-subtle nature of it.
		And if we're talking about something so vast, so giant, and ultimately so powerful that we can run our cities on it, that's a big thing.
		That's not a subtle thing.
		And if the demonstration is subtle, then I don't know, maybe it just does not have enough impact to suggest that kind of ultimate power.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it is both of these things.
		I think it is a field that is there to be tapped into.
		And I do know of some inventors who claim to be doing this.
		In fact, I've seen enough data from what they have been doing to believe that they are doing something interesting.
		It's difficult to be definitive at this point.
		But I think it is also a subtle thing as well.
		I think it may underpin concepts for non-local intelligence, for being able to a medium by which perhaps we are able to do some rather extraordinary things like remote view.
		Perhaps clairvoyance might have some of its origins in the way that non-local intelligence is able to be transmitted instantaneously from one place to another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Nick, have you and I had a talk about my antenna?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		You did mention your antenna last time I was on the show.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Has there been any new activity there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just don't and have never had explained to me adequately what it is that's being observed here.
		Of course, I built this as an antenna, not a gatherer of any sort of energy.
		Thank you very much.
		I didn't expect nor want it.
		But this antenna is fed up at 100 feet, and then you're talking about 3,200 feet of number 10 wire on 13 towers.
		It's a very, very large antenna, Nick.
		And on a clear, calm day with no clouds and nothing going on in the atmosphere to account for it, there's well over 300 volts that's constantly on that antenna, which will shock the you-know-what out of anybody who deems to touch it.
		And we have experimented to some degree with it, rise time.
		For example, you can take it and ground it, and then the next instant that voltage is right back as though there was no build-up time.
		It's just there, baby.
		And Nick, I had to go to extraordinary measures to protect my equipment from this voltage in terms of grounding, DC grounding, and all the rest of it all the time.
		24 is always on ground.
		Has to be, otherwise the voltage would kill the equipment I've got.
		So I don't know what that is.
		I don't know why it's there.
		I don't know where it comes from.
		I don't know why it's manifested, but it is there.
		I've done some investigation, Nick.
		I've talked to electric companies, for example, because they have long, unterminated, sometimes lengths of electric cable that they're not using.
		And my theory is that there would be a similar buildup on miles and miles of electric cable.
		And sure enough, there is, Nick.
		The electric company regards it as a pain in the neck, and they ground such long runs that are being unused for that exact reason.
		But as though it's kind of like everybody knows there's something there, but nobody quite knows what it is, and they just treat it as a pain in the neck because they're trying to pass electricity or receive radio signals or whatever.
		But there's something, Nick.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Is this a phenomenon that they say is particularly local, Art, or is it something they've encountered in other areas as well?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's universal, Nick.
		It's universal.
		And as I said, the electric company, of course, well, they're not trying to collect electricity.
		They're trying to sell electricity.
		So they just ground such long runs and don't think another thing about it, which is probably standard electrical practice anyway.
		But they do know about it, Nick.
		And others know about it.
		And I don't know where this power is coming from.
		There have been theories about, well, maybe the ionosphere or atmosphere in some way is collecting an electrical charge from thunderstorms that are always going on in the southern hemisphere and distributing them through the atmosphere.
		That could be.
		It could be a capacitive effect between the Earth and the antenna or wire.
		It could be a Lot of things, or maybe it could have something to do with some power source that we don't understand, you know, like something called zero point.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that's the key point there, and it's so valid to this subject and others linked to it, is that there are things out there in the realm of physics that we don't understand.
		You know, I'm a journalist.
		I'm not a physicist or a scientist, but when I went to school and studied, there was this kind of view put out by my teachers that we pretty much kind of know everything that there is to know about physics.
		And only really when I dipped into doing the research for the Hunt for Zero Point, did I realize how little we actually have fathomed about the realms of science, the realms of physics.
		And there is so much work that is being uncovered daily and on such fundamental issues.
		I mean, fundamental issues like gravity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it seems like an ignorant, insulting statement to say, well, you know, we pretty much know all there is to know about physics.
		Oh, my goodness.
		Why would somebody say that?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, when I look at gravity, I mean, we know what gravity does.
		Its effects are very obvious.
		The fact that we are sitting where I'm why I'm sitting where I am here and I'm not floating off into space is because of the effects of gravity.
		However, what is not known is why a gravitational effect is induced.
		That fundamental fact is not known.
		There are numerous, of course, explanations for it.
		And the conventional one is that large a mass will exert a gravitational pull on any object in its sphere of influence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the larger the mass, the larger the amount of gravity.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		But actually, that's a pretty simplistic explanation.
		What is the fundamental root cause of that underlying pull?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I'm not sure it's explained at all by suggesting it's simply mass.
		Obviously, I think scientifically it can be related to mass, but that doesn't mean the mass itself is the underlying engine or reason.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, if you talk to the zero-point energy proponents, they will say that it is the mass's movement through the zero-point energy field that induces a reaction from the field, which triggers in the mass, in the atomic weight of the mass, a gravitational force.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Nick, you're apparently privy to quite a bit of secret information.
		Something that I've always wondered about, and I know many in my audience have as well, is the famous tether experiment.
		I mean, you mentioned the movement, and of course, you'll recall the shuttle released a tether, and it was very long and was reeled out and suddenly produced this incredible voltage that virtually destroyed the tether.
		You know, just severed it at the point where it came together with the shuttle.
		It was an incredible amount of energy.
		There's never been another word about it.
		There's never been a suggestion to repeat the experiment, as far as I know.
		And there certainly has been no explanation about the amount of energy they received that literally destroyed the tether.
		What do you know?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wish I knew more about the tether art.
		I mean, we all specialize, particularly at Jane's, we specialize in various sexes, spheres.
		Mine is aerospace.
		Now, that's predominantly air-breathing aerospace, stuff that flies within the atmosphere.
		Of course, I'm familiar with the tether experiment, but I've never done, to be fair, an in-depth analysis on it.
		But, you know, like you, I've picked up on those stories and I've wondered about it, but I would hate to mislead your listeners by saying I had an inside track in it, because to be fair, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, something was fishy in orbit.
		I'll tell you that.
		The amount of electricity was so astronomically larger than what their expectations were that for them not to have commented further and or done another experiment or given us an explanation means to me that they know something we don't, a big something that we don't.
		That tether was traveling at a great speed, and I guess they got it low enough to begin to perhaps even dip into a little atmosphere close to it.
		I don't know.
		But it was a remarkable find, Nick, and I'll bet you somewhere there's some sort of secret document marked Tether top secret.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm hoping that in X year's time when someone does a little Freedom of Information Act digging, they might finally get to the root of it.
		There is a lot out there, as you know and document on the show, that happens that we just, in the military sphere, of course, that we as yet have only skimmed the surface of.
		And even doing what I do, which is working as a correspondent on the very edges of a massive sprawling defense industry, there are unbetween things which I come across which I know are rooted in heavy, heavy secrecy and which I'm just skimming across the surface of.
		It's intriguing and it's frustrating at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, Nick, are you convinced that freedom of information requests always yield the truth?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I didn't think so.
		Hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the arm.
		I didn't think so.
		Coming to us from Great Britain, The Hunt for Zero Point is both Nick and Mark Bell.
		Good morning from the high desert.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From Great Britain, my guest is Nick Cook, and his book is The Hunt for Zero Point Indeed.
		Should we be able to find and then harness zero point, as Ronald Reagan said, it certainly would be morning in America again.
		You know, it seems to me that anybody who writes for, you know, the Financial Times, Jane's Defense Weekly, these kinds of very conservative, well-respected publications, and then ends up writing something like Hunt for Zero Point.
		I mean, you've got to wonder how that's going to come out with, I don't know, your friends, your colleagues, the judgmental part of the world.
		How's it gone, having written such a book, Nick?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think anyone will know from having read the book, those that have, that I was very anxious about documenting this 10-year kind of journey of discovery because it, as you say, went into some pretty esoteric areas.
		However, I am delighted to say that because of, I think, the way that I laid out my discovery process, which was on a very kind of sceptical basis,
		that what I was able to show was that I too came from a very, very skeptical background on this and was able to overcome that scepticism and prejudice.
		And as a result, I think, what has happened is that I've been very fortunate in people have responded to that very well.
		And thankfully, I'm still with James DePence Weekly, and I'm still doing work for the Financial Times and others.
		The reaction has been very good, Art, I'm delighted to say.
		And even people within the aerospace industry have responded to it extremely well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you feel that anti-gravity has been actually demonstrated?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
		I mean, it's a very interesting.
		Well, if you go back, for example, to Thomas Townsend Brown, that was a very interesting experiment.
		But of course, it's not actually one which is definitively proven to be an anti-gravity experiment.
		Thomas Townsend Brown, for those who perhaps may or may not know his work, said that he had found a way of controlling gravitation back in 1929.
		Now there's been a great upsurge of interest in Townsend Brown's work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was the method that he used?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, he used basically he was charging a capacitor positively on its upper side and negatively on the lower side.
		And what that induced was a reaction which drove this disc-shaped capacitor, interestingly, the shape of a disc, towards the positive pole.
		In other words, it drove the disk to rise upwards.
		Now, he calls that a gravitational reaction, an anti-gravity reaction.
		There is, however, unfortunately, there's a very polarized view about that.
		It's recently cropped up again because of interest in lifter experimentation.
		Again, I'm sure your listeners have come across these lifters, but basically they replicate the Brown effect, although they look completely different.
		These are balsa wood models made out of a balsa kind of frame Construction with aluminium foil.
		Again, you charge a wire positively on the upper side, you charge the foil negatively, and these lifters will rise.
		Is that an anti-gravity reaction?
		Many people, I tend to agree with them, say that it is not, that it is something called iron wind, the flow of molecules over the foil, inducing, if you like, an aerodynamic type effect to the aerodynamic lifter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, to the person who watches the videos and the recordings, it certainly appears to be anti-gravitic, doesn't it?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it looks extraordinary.
		And I've witnessed lifter levitations and effects, and it is a bizarre experience.
		This thing crackles with energy.
		There's this kind of ozone-y kind of smell around it.
		It is very dramatic to watch.
		It's crackling with ionization.
		And it's very easy, I think, to say, yep, that's an anti-gravitational reaction because it looks so strange.
		But at all times, it behoves us, particularly when we are moving in this world, to quantify these things, to be skeptical, to be rigorous.
		These extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and we need to be rigorous.
		For my money, Pounds and Brown's work, as interesting as it is, is not definitively an anti-gravity effect.
		Others, I think, are inducing anti-gravity or gravity-reducing experiments.
		I'm referring to the superconducting camp.
		Again, some of your listeners may be familiar with the name of Dr. Eugene Podkletnov, a man who was experimenting with superconductors and who found almost by mistake that objects suspended above this rotating superconducting disk were losing some of their weight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		3% to 5%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, there's been quite a period of time that has elapsed since that experiment.
		In fact, he did measure, as you mentioned, a change in the actual weight of the object, which does seem like anti-gravity.
		There's been quite a bit of time that's gone by.
		Is there been anything that challenges the validity of that measurement?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		I don't think there's anything that challenges the validity of the measurement, although, of course, what we all really want to see is someone replicating that experiment out in the open.
		Now, what is, to my mind, persuasive is that you're not just getting one individual, Pod Kletnov, out there saying that he's achieving this effect.
		You're getting multiple people throughout the globe, at least half a dozen people, saying that they are experimenting with superconductors and getting interesting results.
		Now, back in May of 2003, I attended a two-day conference in Washington, D.C., which was interestingly underpinned with Defense Department money.
		And at that conference, a lady by the name of Dr. Ning Li, who had been employed by NASA and is a very credential scientist, was effectively saying the same thing, that her work in superconducting, rotating disks would lead to considerable weight reduction effects, but also energy generation effects.
		She was talking about 11 kilowatts of energy.
		So it's not just Podklepnov.
		There are others who are independently saying the same thing.
		And that, to my mind, is persuasive, particularly when these people are credentialed, they have a lot to lose career-wise and going on the record about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
		Nick, so there you have what you just described.
		Now, if there's really something to this, then surely our governments must be far advanced from what we're hearing about.
		Or do you think they're clueless?
		I mean, after all, Nick, so many of us have had these objects not fly, but float above our heads.
		I had one float above my head.
		It was clearly defying gravity, not dependent on gravity, nor the amount of air under any sort of surface to keep it afloat.
		This thing defied gravity.
		I've seen it.
		Millions have seen it.
		I hate to drag you over into the UFO corner, but these things are being seen on a regularly scheduled basis, Nick.
		They appear to be defying gravity.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, obviously, in the Hunt for Zero Point, I very deliberately put the whole UFO thing on one side, Art.
		But that's not to say that I'm leery of discussing the UFO phenomenon.
		Actually, I'm not.
		And I'm given kind of confidence in being able to discuss it by the fact that I've recently come across a lot of papers written within the aerospace industry itself.
		A very interesting one, actually, came my way a couple of weeks ago from McDonnell Douglas.
		Now, McDonnell Douglas, as I'm sure you and your listeners know, doesn't exist anymore.
		It was overtaken by Boeing several years ago.
		But this paper, which was written by a McDonnell Douglas engineer in the early 1960s, is seriously, it's a 40-page paper, is seriously promoting within McDonnell Douglas the idea that UFOs should be studied from an aerospace perspective to gain insights onto their propulsion methodology.
		Now, whatever I may think about UFOs, and by the way, I do believe that the phenomenon is real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remember, you're only saying unidentified flying object.
		You're not saying alien.
		You're not saying anything at all, except unidentified.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And I think one should always be very careful to maintain that stance.
		These are unidentified flying objects.
		It is a phenomenon, but it is, in my view, a multifaceted phenomenon.
		There is no single unifying point description of what a UFO is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I was trying to drive through, though, is if you heard this scientist make this statement in an open conference, then why should we not imagine that in the secret locations like Area 51 near me or all over the world there are others, work is not far, far advanced in this area already?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've covered the activities of the black world in the aerospace field for a long time from its periphery.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Of course, no one in my position is able to penetrate it with any great degree of success.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of hints have you had, Nick?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know what the black world is capable of on a conventional level.
		I've seen the stealth revolution.
		I've covered it firsthand.
		And I know that what drives the black world is a sense of vision underpinned by a great deal of money and a freedom, if you like, in which to pursue visionary projects.
		Now, if you put all of that together and couple it to a zero-point energy anti-gravity type mindset, it is inconceivable to me that the high payoff that is promised by that research would not be undertaken, looked at, and covered within the black world.
		What I have to be careful of, though, is saying I have seen no proof that it is being done, and I haven't.
		What I have seen proof of, particularly in recent months and years, is that the white world of the aerospace industry is showing increased interest in zero-point energy and anti-gravity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, is there any way at all to follow the money, Nick?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know the black budgets are carefully protected, but I wonder you can always get something if you can follow the money, right?
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nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, follow the money was one of my kind of key guiding tenets when I wrote the Hump Zero Point.
		And there are periods of time when you can follow the money.
		The World War II period was one of them.
		But, well, as you know, in the black world, that money is essentially unaccountable.
		That's not to say that it is completely unaccountable.
		No one has oversight of it.
		But they know that because you can follow the money, that those budgets are very carefully hidden away.
		So you can't, in the black world, follow the money to that pot of gold, which is a flying saucer powered by some anti-gravity lift engine.
		At least I haven't been able to do it.
		But there are clues.
		There are clues there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's what I was asking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where do you see clues that this kind of work might be going on?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I see the clues in the white world.
		I have seen, for example, that the U.S. Army has pursued its own Thomas Townsend Brown experimentation.
		And it's there.
		I found it on the U.S. Army's website looking at their research and development activities.
		And that was within the last couple of years.
		I've also seen, and it's fascinating, this one, that the U.S. Army Redstone Arsenal, where they develop advanced concepts, for example, for ballistic missile defense, employed Dr. Ning Li, this Chinese-American lady who had been playing around with superconductors.
		And incidentally, Ning Li was saying that one of the effects she got from this, that she aimed to get from her superconducting discs, was a force-field beam, which would be able to deflect objects.
		The U.S. Redstone Arsenal in Alabama was looking and paying Ning Li to further investigate those concepts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think the Army, Nick, of all the services to be pursuing this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would not think Army first.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		You wouldn't think Army first at all.
		But in this uncertain era in which we live, this era of massive asymmetric threat, to use the core parlance of the Pentagon, wherein you can get 9-11 type incidents dramatically overturning the status quo in an instant.
		What you are looking for as an antidote is a truly transformational weapon system, something that totally leapfrogs the state of the art.
		Now, something like Ning Li's force field beam, which incidentally as well was reflected by Dr. Eugene Podkletnov working over in Finland, who was saying exactly the same thing.
		If you can deploy that beam, point it into space, deflect a rogue incoming nuclear warhead, or for that matter, somebody you consider to be the bad guy, his satellite, you can do extraordinary things.
		Things that to a simplified eye would appear nothing short of magic, but which actually is firmly rooted in some pretty far-out science.
		So all of these things, I think, are now on the agenda.
		That's why the Defense Department is looking at transformational weapon systems like this, like microwave weapons, lasers, and other directed energy devices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so this Chinese scientist you were talking about, she works for us, for the Defense Department?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		She does.
		This was a contract.
		In fact, she was paid, her company was paid half a million dollars by the U.S. Army's Redstone Arsenal to further develop her superconducting rotating discs specifically to develop these force field effects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And exactly how far along do we know her to be?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is an interesting one because uh I met and interviewed her uh at this uh conference in Washington uh two years ago but and she was quite forthcoming.
		Um she didn't want to discuss her uh military work.
		She struck me as an enlightened individual who would like her work to be done for uh peaceful purposes, but she's caught between the devil and the deep and the deep blue sea and that she knows that the best, perhaps the only means of short-term funding is through the military.
		But what she was saying was that she was very close to developing hardware and that this anti-gravity hardware.
		Yeah, this is uh a force-field beam, um what uh what Pod Kretnov terms a pulsed um uh anti-gravitational beam to uh which would which which she was saying would generate 11 kilowatts of energy.
		Now, in an initial application, that's quite a lot, but in it.
		Well it is, but but with what kind of uh input to achieve this you are uh you're talking about a um uh a a jolt of electricity into the influence of the superconducting disk of a couple of million volts so to get it going to get it to you you're literally you're no you're sending this this it's a it's a pulsed beam it's a it's a it's a zap if you like
		yes um but this this pulse is generated by an intense burst of electrical energy which is then fed into the uh into the into the superconductor which is inducing these strange um anti-gravitational or or or gravity shielding effects and you are sending that pulse along a linear path uh of some considerable distance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold it right there.
		Nick Cook is my guest, writes for Jane's DePence Weekly, Financial Times, and lots of eyebrow-type publications in Great Britain.
		He's here telling us what he knows.
		And sometimes with this kind of guest, you've got to read a little bit in between the lines.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		In a moment, I think we'll ask Nick an interesting question.
		I wonder, he got a document, a secret document so secret, confirming everything that he thought was true, that they asked him not to release it.
		I wonder what Nick would do.
		After all, writing for the kind of publications that Nick does, one could imagine that somebody deep in a black project somewhere for the good of the world suddenly might, well, you never know, feel that they've got to release some sort of very secret document that probably ought not be released.
		So let's imagine they slip it to our friend Nick here.
		And this document is the classified smoking force field of the world.
		I mean, it just, you know, lays it all out, exposes the fact that we've investigated and found the source of zero point and have utilized it in anti-gravity devices in some way.
		I mean, we've got some mature technology that's absolutely secret, and they come to you and knock on your door, Nick, and they say, for queen and country, son, you've got to keep this to yourself.
		What would you do?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are different categories of secrecy, Art.
		And, you know, doing the job that I do, I always have to apply a filter to anything that comes my way.
		I mean, part of the filtering process is to be very rigorous about the evidence.
		Another part of the filtering process is to weigh whether the information that comes to you and whether you ultimately put out in the pages of a magazine or wherever is going to damage national security.
		Now, I'm a Brit, but I'm a patriot, just as anyone in a sensitive position in America would be.
		And I have to be very careful with some of the information that I come across, because I don't want to endanger anyone's life or operational security any more than the next person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So therefore, if you got a document like this, Nick, and then they appealed to you on the basis of queen and country, national security, not to release the information, what would your inclination be if you were in that kind of a pickle?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, it depends what the information was.
		If it was information that was going to jeopardize national security or someone's life by my releasing it, then I wouldn't do it.
		I wouldn't do it because I'm not in the business of doing that.
		If it were a piece of information that was sensitive because it was politically embarrassing or it said something which the establishment did not want out, let's say, for example, that someone had thrust a document under my nose saying, we have anti-gravity devices, they're being tested at Area 51, and here's the proof.
		I would not consider that, I'm afraid to say, a militarily, operationally sensitive piece of news.
		And I would really have to be persuaded that that was going to endanger someone's life by my putting that information out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's the way I imagine it, Nick.
		I imagine that, for example, the military might stumble across a technology that, on the one side, from our point of view, could be an energy source that could really help the world.
		However, from a military point of view, it could be a weapon or a shield or a who knows what that would have a great deal of very urgent military capability.
		Unfortunately, releasing the energy that drives this thing would give the weapon away.
		So I don't know what the military would do in such a case, but I just have a feeling they might not hand it over to industry right away.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And that is you've hit on the duality of this technology.
		Proponents, of course, say that it is clean, it's free, it's limitless, and it's going to save the world.
		The flip side of that is that there is inevitably going to be some military application for it.
		We were talking about Pod Kletnov's and Dr. Ning Li's beam weapons earlier.
		The U.S. Army would not be interested in this technology if they didn't think there was some potential in it.
		And so there is always this dual nature to the technology.
		But it's the same with nuclear power.
		You get a weapon from splitting an atom.
		You get energy from fusion.
		So when you are, I think, down to the atomic and subatomic level, you are playing with fundamental forces which are potentially hugely powerful.
		And as yet, we don't know the full potential of that power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've mentioned that you have a filtering process.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have there been occasions, Nick, where you've come upon information that that part of your patriotic filtering process would not let by?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have certainly, for example, in my daily work at James Defense Weekly, I have come across information either in the form of documents or what perhaps someone has told me that at the back of my mind, well no, actually at the forefront of my mind, I know is going to be operationally sensitive and could endanger life.
		And I'm talking about here things like, you know, you can imagine in a magazine like Jane's or any actually trade magazine covering the aerospace and defense industry that we get information quite a lot about things like the frequencies of radars, the frequencies of radio signals, very kind of pernickity details, if you like, about how weapon systems work, which in the hands of a potential adversary could be put to use for them, the adversary.
		I am very careful about disseminating that information, as I say, because it's a technical consideration more than anything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it wouldn't necessarily add to the value of the story to disclose that anyway.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		It would be salacious and gratuitous.
		But if it's a political sensitive fact, the reason for the secrecy is merely to cover something that could be embarrassing or could be secrecy for its own sake, then I put the story through those same filters.
		But chances are when I've done all the checks, ticks and balances, I will know that this story is safe to publish because no one's life is going to be endangered by it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Maybe you can help me out with something else that I've been struggling with for some time now.
		It's kind of off-subject a little, although it's not in another sense, Nick.
		There are a lot of stories, very important stories right now, about the environment and about what's going on, for example, with the Gulf Stream.
		Stories that, for some reason, while very important to the entire world, we don't see published here in the United States.
		And yet, there in Britain, on a regular basis, you are publishing them along with the rest of Europe.
		And it worries me that we appear to have our own kind of filter here at the U.S. border, and we're not getting these stories.
		Thank God for the international News, but it does make me curious.
		I wonder if you've noticed any of that, Nick.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, I'm peripherally.
		Well, we're all interested in the environment and climate change and the impact that it's going to have on the planet.
		Professionally, it's kind of on the periphery of where I am.
		And yes, of course, I've noticed that you in the States have a more perhaps jaded eye cast on the effects of CO2 emissions and other pollutants on the atmosphere.
		I think it's just a cultural thing.
		We in Europe tend to be more tuned into that kind of thing.
		And I think soon, though, Art, if some of these scientists are right and that we are undergoing a period of irreversible climatic change, that the effects of those changes, obviously they're not localized.
		They're going to be manifest everywhere.
		And I think as that evidence mounts and develops, that debate is going to become centered in the U.S., just as it's now very much alive over here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, I keep getting it.
		I get it from the London Times.
		I get it from Ireland.
		I get it from all over Europe.
		But I don't get it from my own media, national media.
		I mean, if an ocean current has slowed to a quarter of what it was with global implications, it just seems to me that's worth a line or two of U.S. print.
		And I'm just astounded at...
		I mean, somehow I've always, frankly, thought of Britain as more likely to keep something secret than my own government here.
		And yet, the opposite seems true.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, it's funny.
		I've made I've done a great deal of study on secrecy and the nature of secrecy.
		And what I found is that here in the UK, there is a tendency to kind of make secret those things that don't need to be made secret because it's just easier to set in place a bureaucracy where you restrict the flow of information.
		In the States, I found that up to a certain level, the flow of that information is very free.
		I get probably much more from the DOD in terms of generally releasable but still quite sensitive information on military technology than I do from my own government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But maybe it's one of those the grass is always greener syndromes.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, possibly.
		But what I do see, though, is that you get up to a line in the States when it comes to secrecy, the line that is drawn very firmly over classified technology and systems.
		And that line is watertight.
		It is a system that has been put in place, as you know, it's been operating for half a century or more, which is specifically there to protect military secrecy, like the compartments of a watertight ship.
		And those compartments are so securely defined, it is very difficult, of course, for any one person to get a big picture of what the overall system, if that's what you're talking about in terms of a military secret, is.
		And I found that in the States.
		I've encountered it in a number of fascinating instances.
		I've been into places like the Lockheed Martin Skunk Works, a place which is renowned for its kind of black program work.
		And I've butted up against the black world in that sense.
		And it's a regime which I find fascinating for all its kind of paradoxical qualities.
		But there is a point beyond which in the States you just cannot go.
		And that's very firmly rooted in your culture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then somebody like yourself has to look to these scientists like the Chinese one you mentioned, a Chinese lady, who make sort of drop statements at certain places and times in the public.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you have to attach perhaps more meaning to them than their brief utterance would indicate.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		But there are moments in space and time when information does surface.
		It happened, as I'm sure you know, in the atomic process when discussion of fission was free and easy in the twenties and thirties leading up to the Second World War.
		But as people, as scientists realized that a bomb of awesome power was potential from the development of fission physics, that debate was stopped.
		It was stopped and cut dead in the United States for that very reason.
		And there are moments, too, here when discussion of things like perhaps even zero-point physics is allowed to surface and circulates freely, but suddenly it stops.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		get back to that case of Dr. Ming Lee, for example, it's very interesting that she has now disappeared off the planet.
unidentified		Oh?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		It's very curious that this lady, you know, who was very free and open...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Disappeared?
		Disappeared off the planet.
		What do you mean?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, when I say off the planet, people have been trying to get in contact with her, me included, for the past two years since she surfaced at that conference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		And she is number unobtainable, absolutely impossible to find.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		And again, that may be a misreading of things, but it is certainly very curious, and some would say suspicious, that this lady who is financed or was being financed by the U.S. Army to come up with transformational weaponry potentially has suddenly disappeared off the face of the globe at a time when her experimentation was tipped to be yielding some very interesting results.
unidentified		So these curiosities, they surface.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		They've surfaced in the past in the world of atomic physics.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		They may be surfacing and disappearing now in the realm of zero-point energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gosh, Nick, have you stumbled across the story of the disappearing biologists?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're aware of that?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		No, not really.
		It's not a story I've followed.
		What is the story?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are various people keeping track of the number of scientists working in some perhaps areas of interest to the U.S. government in biology that have just suddenly and mysteriously died in various ways.
		And there are quite a number of people keeping track of the numbers, which seem unsettling.
		Of course, you don't know what the normal attrition rate would be, but the numbers do seem unsettling.
		And I wonder if a little of this might be going on here.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, it may be.
		I think the difficulty that the government is going to come up with is that there is a great, I think, yearning or kind of willingness for this technology, which is being tinkered with now by the inventor community, is put to good use.
		And I think we are now much more, as a society, jaded about the intentions of the military, the intentions of government, suppression of technologies.
		People who say they are getting demonstrable results from zero-point energy devices that pull soon, I think, useful amounts of energy from the vacuum and say that they want this to be put to good use.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, Nick, these great minds tend to come up with ideas fairly in a synchronous way.
		I mean, if it's in the black world, then probably somebody like a John Hutchinson out there is going to stumble into or discover what's being worked on at a much more secret level.
		And one has to wonder what would be the fate of somebody stumbling into a technology that perhaps the government doesn't want stumbled into.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, it would depend very much, I think, on what that individual had stumbled onto.
		As you mentioned, this activity is very synchronous.
		It's popping up now all over the planet, and it's linked by the Internet.
		It's very difficult to suppress.
		And I think that if you want to suppress it, the way to do that is to pour scorn on it sooner than actually resort to drastic action like kind of rubbing out your the scientists who are involved in it.
		So I think one would, if the government had a mind to do this, it would employ a more subtle range of techniques based on disinformation, ridicule, those sorts of things to delay the onset into the public domain of these kinds of activities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it could just be that a scientist who had stumbled into something incredible might have just a terrible run of very bad luck and bad publicity and bad happenings in his life, so distracted that he couldn't really pursue what he wanted to pursue.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I mean, that's possible.
		I think, sadly, unfortunately, you know, a lot of people who are involved in this area are quite kind of suspicious and perhaps even paranoid by nature.
		And a few kind of I'm not tempted to say bad apples, but a few of these guys who tend to dwell on the bad things that have happened to them in the process of developing or trying to develop hardware tend to give out the impression that they are being hounded by government operatives and they are about to be, their lives are in danger or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly those stories are legion.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		They are legion.
		They are legion.
		And I'm not saying that in some cases they aren't true, but I think there is a wider temptation by the general public to believe that that is prevalent.
		And certainly in my investigations of these things, I have not come across that level of paranoia and secrecy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold it right there, Nick.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		My guest is Nick Cook, who wrote a book that just refuses to go away.
		That's an interesting topic all unto itself.
		You write a book, many of them come and go.
		This one came and has just stuck around.
		Maybe it's just that idea that won't go away.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Nick Cook all the way from Great Britain.
		He writes for James Defense Weekly, the Financial Times, lots of very conservative, interesting publications.
		So he runs into a lot of interesting technology or the hints of it.
		One Chinese scientist that he's been following, that is working for us, of course, working on something that might add up to anti-gravity is suddenly, well, missing.
unidentified		The End All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to be shortly taking questions for Nick Cook, who is my guest.
		And of course, he wrote Hunt for Zero Point.
		I was saying it's a book that just doesn't seem, Nick, like it goes away.
		It's here and here and here and here, and it just sort of stays alive.
		How do you account for that?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's been an extraordinary ride, Art, the past couple of years.
		And actually, when I wrote the book, I fully intended that I would go on to do something else.
		I would go on to some new project in some totally different arena.
		But what I found is that it just keeps on pulling me back.
		And in fact, finding myself in this position, in being this kind of almost unwittingly, this connection between the inventor community and the world of aerospace and defense that I report on, has meant actually that I can't escape it.
		In fact, what I have done is I've actually set up a company, and if I may, I'll just give a website address for that because it's called www.highfrontiers, all one word, .co.uk, which is designed to act as this kind of connecting nexus between those two worlds.
		Because I've just been getting so much interest from the aerospace and defense community coming to me and saying, tell me more about this zero-point energy stuff.
		Tell me more about anti-gravity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I have a lot of listeners.
		I mean, here's Wiley in El Paso, Texas.
		Ask Nick for a direct email address to contact him about a topic of interest.
		Now, that means that somebody out there has some piece of information they want to get you.
		And I'm sure you get an...
		It's like, I don't know, it's like trying to solve a crime for the police when they put out a tip line.
		I mean, if you give out your email address, you're going to hear from every inventor and brother and sister and relative of every inventor who thinks they've got the, you know, the real thing.
		it's a lot to sort through, I'm sure.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		There is a lot to sort through.
		But what I want to be able to do is to act as this facilitator, if you like, between those two worlds.
		And anyone who does have a particularly, I'm talking about developments in hardware that prove a demonstrable effect, if they want to email me at info at high frontiers, all one word, dot co.uk, we've just set up the website.
		It'll be up and running properly in a week or two.
		But there's an initial capture site there.
		They can register their names.
		They can register their interest.
		And at the appropriate time, in a few weeks' time, we will be able to get back to them and enter into this dialogue.
		And I'm really setting this up not just for the inventor community, but for anyone who has an interest in the subject from any community.
		I mean, just to give you an illustration of the wild kind of ride that's been going on these past two years, last year I was invited down by some people in Costa Rica to go and brief the Costa Rican government on zero-point activities.
		Costa Rican government, which Costa Rica is an interesting place, it doesn't have, for example, any armed forces.
		And it's able to plow the money that it would otherwise spend on defense into some quite innovative areas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is.
		I mean, they were looking to set up a kind of a community area which would allow for the development of these technologies.
		So, you know, I'm very happy recognizing now that I can't disassociate myself from this book which has just taken off and run, I'm delighted to say.
		And, you know, www.highfrontiers.co.uk is aimed to be this facilitator, which will enable this dialogue to, I hope, reach a wider audience, particularly in conventional areas, because I'm very interested, I feel very driven, actually, to break down these barriers between these two worlds.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to take a few calls.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Nick Cook in Great Britain.
		I'd like to remind everybody, you've got to kind of ask your question and then pause because we have a built-in pause going all the way to Great Britain.
		So, caller, go ahead.
unidentified		Good morning, Art, Mr. Cook.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		This is with reference to Art's antenna.
		He keeps wondering why he has that spontaneous voltage on it.
		Considering that the Earth's Equatorial speed about its axis is 1,037 miles per hour.
		Considering 36.2 degrees north equates to 897 miles per hour.
		Would that not equate to approximately a generator speed of 460 revolutions per second?
		And if you double the output of any generator, doesn't that quadruple its output if you double the RPMs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I absolutely get the theory and I've heard it from many people.
		Thank you.
		Many people believe me.
		And I don't know.
		That may be the answer.
		There is a sort of a generator, perhaps a generator-like effect, you know, as you're we are in rotation after all, right, Nick?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		I mean, I wish I knew enough about the principles to be able to comment on it in any depth, but it's as good a theory as any.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly the way I look at it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on air with Nick Hook.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Ron.
unidentified		I'm from Rochester.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Ron.
unidentified		Geez, I've been involved in the hunt for zero points since 1991.
		And there's a couple of interesting thoughts that I wanted to share with you.
		Nick, being from England, probably is aware of John Cyril's work, right?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Okay.
		There is another book that I had just come across.
		This is out of print.
		It explains levitation, anti-gravity, and also free energy from a different perspective than I have ever seen before.
		And it also shows that this information is encoded into everything the Egyptians knew.
		And it is based on angular momentum.
		And it could be explained over the air in two minutes.
		I'm not going to do it now, but it is just amazing.
		And I know it works.
		And it can also work with an electron flux motor, which is probably what the ETs are using, not a simple mechanical device.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, clearly, the Egyptians had something going that we still are unaware of because they moved blocks we can't move and did things we can't do yet.
		So that's an interesting sort of angle on all of this, Nick.
		Instead of looking forward and into the secret nooks and crannies, it may well be that the past, whether it would be an old man in Florida at the Coral Castle or the Egyptians building the incredible things they did, maybe the answer is long ago.
		What about that?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree to an extent that there are mysteries in the past which certainly do need to be explained.
		And it certainly may be that there were things known to the ancients which have been forgotten to us today.
		For me, an interesting illustration of this is the recurrence in Vedic texts of the use of mercury as a medium for an engine for crafts that the ancient Indians, the people who wrote these Vedic texts, would talk about in some length and to some detail.
		Now, mercury, interestingly enough, has cropped up again and again and again in my research.
		We see, for example, we haven't talked about this very much, but during the Second World War, when the Germans research that I uncovered in the Hunter Zero Point, the Germans were working on some extraordinary devices, one of which was a thing called a bell, which had a mercury-like substance in it, which was rotated in two counter-rotating disks at great speed and induced what appeared to be fluctuations in the space-time matrix.
		Now, you get that resonance with the VDIC texts all stretching way back thousands of years in history through to the German period during the Second World War.
		And now there is emerging research which says that mercury in certain heated-up states acts like a superconductor.
		And strange and magical things happen, like, for example, weight loss induced by gravity shielding effects, getting us back into the realm of Dr. Pod Kletnov, Ning Li, who are again playing around with conventional superconductors who are saying the same thing.
		So all of these things tend to link up.
		And some of them, as Ron has observed, go back, the links to them go way, way back in history.
		So I think there are some interesting lessons to be observed.
		We need to be very careful and very rigorous, though, about how we make those claims and how we investigate them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It always seems to be rotation involved.
		There was an article in Pravda which is really out, pretty far out, but interesting.
		It's called Time Can Be Turned Back.
		You might have seen it in your rumblings around the Internet, but Pravda really did print it.
		And it says that eight years ago, American and British scientists who conducted investigations in Antarctica, this may not be perfect, it's a translation, made a sensational discovery.
		U.S. physicist Marianne McLean told the researchers, and they all noticed some spinning gray fog in the sky over the North Pole, the exact North Pole, on January 27th, which they believed to be perhaps just some sort of ordinary storm.
		However, the gray fog didn't change form, nor did it move in the course of time.
		The researchers decided to investigate the phenomena, launched a weather balloon with equipment capable of registering wind speed, temperature, and air moisture, but the weather balloon soared upwards and immediately disappeared.
		In a little while, the researchers brought the weather balloon back to the ground with the help of a rope attached to it previously, and rather surprised to see the chronometer set in the weather balloon displayed the date of January 27, 1965, the same day 30 years earlier.
		Really crazy stuff, but printed in Pravda.
		You ever look into something like that?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, this story did come across my desk, and so I'm aware of it.
		Now, having said that, I bet it's the same for you, Art.
		If you had a penny for every one of these stories that came across your desk, and you could verify them, you'd be a very rich man by now, and so would I. The difficulty with these stories is that they surface, they on the outside look very interesting.
		The difficulty relates to the fact, though, that there is rarely Any verifiable backup to say that they really happened.
		And one of the things that I really wanted to do in the Hunt for Zero point, and I think one of the things that people have responded to very well about the book, is that everything that's in there is quantified and backed up by evidence.
		And where it isn't, I say it's not.
		But there are very few places where there is no evidence to support the fundamental data.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or the Philadelphia experiment, Nick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remember the descriptions of the Philadelphia experiment?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rotating RF fields and magnetic fields, absolutely fascinating stuff that would seem to sort of fit into the same general description of a lot of what you talk about when you're talking about zero point and some of the experiments going on.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, indeed.
		And I mean, the Philadelphia experiment is a great case in point about a myth or a story that won't go away.
		And on the surface, to someone like me, and certainly when I was initially investigating, doing the research for the Hunter Zero Point, the Philadelphia experiment, on the face of it, is something that I wouldn't have touched with a barge pole.
		Any discussion of a ship that disappears into the ether, no way.
		But when you look into it, you realize that the myth may be hiding some very valid research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure may.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		And what it appears to be, certainly, was an experiment for a radar stealth device, which I think was absolutely true and borne out by the facts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe it as well, Nick.
		Just based on the fact that the Germans were sinking our ships trying to get across the Atlantic in droves, the death toll was horrible.
		And we really wanted a way to make ships virtually disappear.
		And so I wouldn't be surprised that something like that was definitely worked on.
		And while I don't buy everything connected with the Philadelphia story as told by some today, there's some basis of truth in the nugget of all of that.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree.
		And again, in The Hunt, I do discuss at some length how these stories surface, how they more often than not do contain, where the myth is really strong, at least a grain of truth.
		And I think that is the case in the Philadelphia experiment.
		I do think it related to a radar stealth experiment.
		And I do believe, by the way, that there may have been some strange phenomena manifestations which the original experimenters weren't counting on when they were evaluating this technology purely from a radar stealth perspective.
		So and what's interesting too is that I've encountered more recent research which shows that others were working in the same area.
		The Germans, there is a story going around.
		Again, it seems to be based on some quite valid research that the Germans also had their own version of the Philadelphia experiment.
		And certainly when you look at, I mean, I mentioned a moment or two ago the experiments done by the Germans detailed in the book about this contra-rotating device down a mine, which appears to be creating fluxes in the space-time metric.
		Those sorts of stories are also associated with a kind of Philadelphia-type experiment that the Germans were doing in Kiel, Germany, during the latter part of the war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there some documentation for that?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		There is apparently some documentation for it.
		I haven't been able to locate it myself, but I think someone who's known to your show, a guy called John Dering, who I've interviewed and found very plausible and persuasive.
		I mean, John works for a highly reputable aerospace company over there in the States.
		And John's research into areas like the Philadelphia experiment and the German equivalence of the Philadelphia experiment, I found to be very persuasive.
		And he is convinced that there is fire where this smoke exists.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think most of us are familiar with the story of the Philadelphia experiment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there an equivalent tale attached to what supposedly was going on in Germany?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's remarkably similar, actually.
		It does relate to a ship which was fitted with these intense electrical generators, and aspects of the story resurfaced.
		Not the whole full-up, you know, the ship disappeared into a different dimension, people were fused into the decks of the ship, none of that stuff, but enough of an echo there, but distinct from the Philadelphia experiment to show that the Germans were working in the same area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's absolutely fascinating.
		I'd never heard that, and I would love to know more.
		I'd love to know more.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		I'm working on it, and in fact, research for A Hunt for 0.2 is very well advanced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it is?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah.
		As I said a moment or two ago, this a couple of years ago was a subject that I thought that I would leave behind and move on into new areas.
		I just thought I would just continue off into some new realm of research.
		But it's pulled me back to such an extent that I've even actually had to take on support staff here to respond to the overwhelmingly amazing kind of responses that I've had about the book.
		And one of the kind of drivers behind that is now to get 1000.2 out.
		And the book is about 95% researched.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there a great deal of new material since the first book?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		There is.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		And obviously, I can't go into it in any great detail because I wouldn't want to spoil the impact Of the book, but there is a tremendous amount of new information that's out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		On that note, here, we're going to pause at the top of the hour and continue to take questions for Nick Cook.
		I didn't know the next book was about out.
		95% done, but he can't talk about it.
		We'll make him talk about it.
		We'll be back shortly from the high desert.
		I'm Art Bell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite obviously, Nick Cook's search for Zero Point has led him in many, many esoteric areas.
		So your range of questions could go just about anywhere.
		That's what we're doing.
		You and Nick Cook coming right up.
		Stay right there.
		Once again, all the way from Great Britain, here is Nick Cook.
		Nick, welcome back.
		Shirley, there are some things you can tell us about your new book.
		Give us an idea of direction, where you would go from the haunt.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Well, as I said earlier, this past couple of years has just really been this amazing kind of ride.
		And I found myself kind of caught in this kind of roller coaster, which has taken me to all these wonderful and exotic places that I really never expected to go before I wrote the book.
		So to a degree, the format of the first book will certainly be continued.
		It will be very much my personal journey, the places that I have visited, the places that I'm able to take the reader to that are perhaps beyond their most people's, you know, I'm very fortunate doing what I do, which is working on the edges of the aerospace and defense industry, to go to some very strange and exotic places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it opens a lot of doors.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		And it does, and it does.
		And that journey goes on, and there'll be more of that in the second book.
		But there were two fundamental questions which were left unanswered at the end of the first book, and those need to be answered when I write the second.
		The first was, show me a zero-point energy device that works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've seen that.
unidentified		Okay, so that's...
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		I can't go into it in any great depth because that's going to have to wait for the book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, are you really convinced you have seen that?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
		The one that I have seen passes muster.
		This thing is generating usable amounts of electricity in a low output form at first, but I have no doubt that it will continue to develop greater amounts of useful power, but certainly enough at the moment to power a laptop indefinitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you tell us if this has come out of the UK or the United States or somewhere else in the world?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		I can't, because for the moment I have sworn to the individual that I'm going to maintain a discrete silence on it.
		But we have agreed that the workings of the device can be and will be detailed in the book.
		So I hate to be kind of, you know, I hate this to be a tease, but that was one of the fundamental questions that I needed to have answered before I wrote the second book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the other one?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		The other one is seeing an anti-gravity device.
		Now, I haven't done that yet, but I believe that there are two or three candidates out there that are currently in the hardware development and demonstration or about to be coming up to the demonstration phase,
		which I am hopeful at least one of them will demonstrate to me that visible effects, anti-gravitational effects, are out there and possible to see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've had for years now Dr. Stephen Greer on my program.
		He's been on an intense search for the same sort of thing that you have, Nick.
		And I wonder if you two have run either into each other or, no doubt, many of the Same people in this journey?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		I know that we've run into some of the same people.
		I haven't run into Stephen Greer personally.
		Of course, I'm more than familiar with his work in both this field and in the UFO field, the disclosure field.
		But no, I haven't come across, we haven't bumped into each other personally.
		But I'm hopeful that will happen one of these days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's go back to the lines.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Nick Cook.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Art, I want to tell you I think you have one of the most significant radio shows ever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		I agree.
		It is a significant program.
unidentified		And, Nick, this is a very interesting subject, and I wanted to know what you guys thought about how this might relate to the intense magnetic, geomagnetic storm that happened last night.
unidentified		If in any way, I got home last night, I looked up into the sky, and it was one of the most intense Aurora Aurealis that I've ever seen in my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know that maybe it does in some way relate.
		I really don't know.
		Nick, we are having an intense geomagnetic storm.
		Last night, at about this time, it was really raging unbelievably.
		I don't know that there's really any direct connection to your work, but I suppose the geomagnetic field is loosely connected to it all in some way, perhaps, huh?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wish I knew, to be honest.
		Whereabouts are you?
		Where is this geomagnetic storm going on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, Nick, it's going on all over the world.
		That caller was probably in more of the northern latitudes, but it doesn't matter.
		I mean, we had a pink sky here down in the desert.
		I'm rather south, as it were.
		And so it was a worldwide event.
		The sun really let loose with a full coronal discharge, and it was earthbound directly and hit our magnetosphere, and we had quite a display of lights and so forth.
		So it's a loose connection.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I've witnessed the Aurora Borealis up in Canada, and it's a fantastic sight.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		To be honest, I don't know how this would link in, if at all, to the main area of my research, except, of course, that we do know through programs like HAARP, the atmospheric experiment that the DOD has been conducting up in Alaska, that manipulations of the ionosphere are possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you looked much into HAARP, by the way?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Not extensively.
		No, I haven't.
		But to me, it's symptomatic of what we discussed earlier, which is that the DOD is interested in what would previously have been described as exotic science to gain transformational leaps, quantum leaps in capability beyond where we are at the moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no question about it.
		And you might look into HARP, Nick.
		You really might take the time, and that might be one door you could get partially unlocked.
		But it's an absolutely fascinating experiment they're doing up there.
		And you might look into whether they'd let you in that door at all.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I might just make that application out and see where it goes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Nick Cook.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
		Nick, you may know me another name.
		I wrote the Space Daily piece as the Air Force Enemy of Space and the Sudan Publius Rex where I railed against John Jumper, so be on the lookout for an email from me.
		There seems to be two schools of levitation out there, two camps.
		You've got your Larry Smalley slash Ningley spinning death school and the Ventura Lifter folks.
		I know of one individual in the Marshall Space Flight Center I think would like to speak to you, so be on the lookout for an email from Publius Rex.
		I have one concern.
		I think that rocketry research may be undermined if all this turns out to be an illusion.
		Besides, a true zero-G environment with no electronic signature might be best.
		If you tried to, say, grow graph plating in an artificial zero-G environment generated by other graph plates, it might be like holding a mic up to a speaker.
		You just get feedback and tainted results.
		So hopefully we won't use this to undermine heavy lift rocketry research, especially tonight.
		They're going to be building both EELVs up here in Decatur, my way.
		It's like they're going to be building both the Atlas V EELV and the Delta IV up in Decatur.
		I think what's really sad is that it seems like we've been distracted on jet airplanes like this $200 billion joint strike fighter fiasco for so long that...
		Well, either that or they could be fooling themselves or they've stumbled onto something that, like I said, something that it might have a small effect, but if you wanted to build a true zero-G research lab in a natural zero-G setting, you would have something where you could actually grow graft plates, where if you tried to have a graft plate and grow other ones, it would be like holding a mic up to a feedback, Luke.
		I just hope we don't undermine our heavy lift rocketry research, especially seeing both Boeing's sea launch and the Lockheed Martin Atlas V use re-engines that wound up, you know, that started off being used on the inner gear Baron's space shuttle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, let's talk to Nick about that a little bit.
		Nick, we are sort of pulling back, I mean, in the heavy rocketry category.
		Could that be because we know we're on the verge of something that will eclipse all of that?
		I understand this gentleman was no doubt concerned about jobs in that industry and all the rest of it, but could it be we're on to something else?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		No, I think we need to be very clear about what's happening here.
		Certainly in the white world, what we are seeing in terms of manifested effects is at a very early and rudimentary stage.
		This is stuff that's going on In a laboratory.
		And certainly, in terms of applying that, if indeed we get to points where we can get usable amounts of force field from these devices, is a considerable way off.
		I don't even want to go into the kind of whole black world arena because if it is in the black world, then it's compartmentalized and secured away so tightly that we're not going to see that for decades to come.
		But with these things that people like Dr. Ning Li and Pod Kletnov are doing in the laboratory, how they get applied to weaponry or indeed more applicably to spacecraft of any description is some considerable way down the pike.
		So we need to develop, to continue developing what I call conventional technologies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nick, how hard have you tried to find her?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		I've tried pretty hard, and I know some people who've done some research for me and for themselves who've tried even harder, and they are just getting a serious, serious blank.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		So if she's listening, if she's out there, I wish she'd register on the website, www.highfrontiers.co.uk, and I'll be the first person who'd like to talk to her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what do you imagine might have become of her?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, it would be very convenient to say that she's made a breakthrough and that the breakthrough is so stunning that her work went immediately classified.
		But certainly given the direction of her talks, the fact that she was saying when I interviewed her that she was poised to develop a device which would generate 11 kilowatts of energy, I mean, that is a pretty significant breakthrough.
		And if she was on the verge of it and achieved it, because of the truly out there nature of that breakthrough, it would be transformational, it would be a quantum leap.
		It would not surprise me if that were suddenly shut down into the realms of classified activity.
		But one needs to be careful about this stuff because she might just have dropped out for a completely different reason, which is maybe she's got family problems or she doesn't want to involve herself in this research anymore.
		But it certainly looks, given all that interest and the money that was being invested in her by the U.S. military, by the U.S. Army, it seems kind of odd that she's just dropped off the face of the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of odd indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West to the Rockies, you're on the air with Nick Cook.
unidentified		Oh, you don't know what a thrill this is, Art.
		Nick Cook.
		First of all, I've got to comment on what you were talking about on the Philadelphia experiment, and then a question, and I'll get off and listen on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		My father worked at the Philadelphia Naval Yard through the entire Second World War.
		And towards the end of the war, when those so-called Philadelphia experiments were going on, he came home one night, suddenly announced that he had quit his job at the Naval Yard.
		He was white as a sheet, and he just told my mother and us four boys that he quit because he looked forward and thought he was going to be laid off as soon as the war was over.
		And then I myself spent 27 years in the Air Force, and when I was in Spain, and here comes the question on his anti-gravity, and going back to the past for the answers, I went to Segovia in Spain, and they had an aqueduct four and a half miles up into the mountains,
		each stone sitting on top of one another with no cement or anything else, weighing about a ton a piece, 800 feet in the air that was built, they said, in 500 BC.
		Now I can see personally, and I've been in a quandary ever since I saw that amazing thing, which is still being used, as to how, other than anti-gravity, finding a way to have anti-gravity, how they could build such a structure bringing water from 4.5 miles up into the mountains down into the town of Segovia without having had the answer to anti-gravity.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wish I knew.
		I mean, the short answer is, of course, there are many places in the ancient world where you see that kind of ability to construct those edifices reflected.
		I mean, you see them in South America, you see them in ancient Egypt, you see them, well, Segovia in Spain is a new one on me, but you see them all around the world.
		I don't know enough about it to be able to say definitively that they'd tapped into some knowledge which we don't have access to routinely anymore.
unidentified		It was astonishing.
		It looked like it was built yesterday.
		The stones were as white as could be from the day I guess they were put up.
		And the other thing is I almost forgot my father would never talk about the real reason that he quit working as a supervisor building ships in the Philadelphia Naval Yard.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you are.
		Then, of course, there's also the Coral Castle.
		There are many things that are just inexplicable that have happened in the past that would seem to suggest that some technology was known or understood that's been forgotten or is very black today.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that is true.
		I mean, there are undeniably things in the black world which are quantum leap gains over where we are today.
		They may not be in fields as radical as the ones that we are talking about to be deemed worthy of ultra-classification.
		I mean, one that I've been looking into recently, and which I hope underpins what an earlier caller was saying about how we really need to be very careful about pursuing these technologies in parallel.
		But I've been looking into hypersonics, the ability of aircraft to fly at speeds in excess of Mark V. That work is going on now faster and in more depth than at any period in U.S. military developmental history.
unidentified		Really?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		There is a surge of activity now in hypersonics.
		In fact, there are White World demonstrations planned to get a hypersonic cruise vehicle flying within about eight years.
		But there are enormous technical challenges involved in that.
		I mean, we tend to blithely say, oh, you know, a plane like Aurora must have flown because I was just about to mention Aurora.
		Yeah, well, you know, I'm a believer in Aurora in the sense that something was tested and flown.
		I don't think that it was put into long-term operational service, but I've seen enough evidence to think and believe that some kind of capability was tested.
		And I think it was put up there for a short while, the concept was validated, and it was then kind of boxed away and mothballed when satellites were shown to be able to do the job more cheaply.
		Because, of course, particularly in today's era of more constrained budgets, that sort of activity is really frowned upon, overlapping activity when you've got satellites to do the job just as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But speaking of aircraft and invisibility, do you know of any work going on to make aircraft invisible?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		To the human eye?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
		I've spoken to people in the Air Force about past experiments in that area.
		There are a number of ways of achieving it.
		Boeing, interestingly, flew an aircraft during the 1990s, which they called the Bird of Prey, out there at Area 51.
		And the Bird of Prey was an extremely unusual-looking aircraft.
		And part of the rationale for making its shape very distinct was to fool the human eye into thinking that you were looking at something else.
		Now, there are other ways of achieving optical invisibility, and certainly this is one that I've been told about by Air Force insiders, is that you coat your aircraft with a kind of a polychromatic film, which has sensors embedded in it, as well as electrical devices, which are able to change the colour of the skin to mimic the background.
		If you're looking from below, it will mimic the sky background if you're not going to be able to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can me or you like, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold tight, we'll do right back.
unidentified		Swaying in the summer breeze, showing off their silver leaves as we walk tonight, just as on a summer's day.
		Laughing ever gets away, just as you and I walk on summer time, gazing at the distant night in the stars.
		It's gone.
		This can happen to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the way it's gonna happen with zero points.
		It's just gonna happen.
		It hasn't already, trust me, one of these days, it will.
		That's what our guest is talking about.
		The hunt for zero points.
		His name is Nick Cook.
		If you'd like a word with him, here's how you do it.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is Nick Cook.
		Good morning, everybody.
		final segment coming up so if you've got a question now's the time Once again, my guest from Great Britain, Nick Cook.
		Nick, I get these wonderful little computer messages as we go zooming along in the program, and Glenn in Seattle, Washington asks Nick if he's heard any rumblings on advances in the field of teleportation.
		I'm sure he's had his ear to the ground in search of antigravity and may have stumbled across something interesting in the field of teleportation.
		What about it, Nick?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, teleportation did hit the news recently.
		Actually, a friend of mine, a guy I know quite well called Dr. Eric Davis, wrote a teleportation study for the U.S. Air Force and published this towards the end of last year.
		And it caused a great deal of furor in the business.
		I mean, for a start, people were wondering why the Air Force might be funding research into the teleportation arena, you know, connotations of Star Trek and the beamy Up and down Scotty device.
		But Eric is a very serious and credentialed scientist, and actually, as I understand it, his paper went more into the kind of, it was more like a kind of remote viewing aspect of teleportation.
		In other words, it was kind of talking about bilocality, how you can be in one place physically, but you can psychically, I suppose for want of a better term, view your surroundings in a remote location.
		So it was that aspect really of teleportation that Eric was addressing.
		But the fact that the Air Force is funding this stuff to the tune of, I don't know, $200,000 maybe, shows that people out there, it's what I'm saying really all along, is that people are looking in the government and in the military for unconventional solutions to today's rather unconventional threats and problems.
		So they're looking to gain those kinds of edges from wherever they can in the science community.
		And if there's a breakthrough to be had, then these guys want to go out and get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Nick Cookheim.
unidentified		Hi, good morning, Nick.
		Quickly, I would like to get your point of view on something.
		I work in the aerospace industry, specifically with helicopter company.
		And I noticed in the NASA budget just recently, they've reduced, almost eliminated, the NASA AIMS research when it comes to rotorcraft technology, specifically blade design.
		And since you've been talking about levitation technology this morning, I was wondering what your views are of this cutback in resources for this part of the industry.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that I know that there is tremendous competition for what is increasingly becoming a scant and not in the days of the Cold War, you had a pretty much limitless R and D budget.
		Nowadays, of course, there is immense competition for all the many areas of research that the aerospace industry and the Air Force and NASA behind them have to undertake.
		I don't know the reasons for cutbacks in helicopter blade technology, but I can imagine that it's probably fallen foul to some priority in another area.
		I mean, for instance, I mentioned earlier that what the U.S. Air Force and NASA and others now are looking at in great depth is investing more money in hypersonics, speed regimes in excess of Mark V. Now, you can't get those kinds of gains, which are incredibly difficult to master technologically, without robbing from another part of the research and development budget.
		And so I imagine that that is what has happened here.
		It's not that what is being done at NASA AIMS there is not a priority.
		It's just that something else has surfaced which is a greater priority and funds have to be allocated to that.
unidentified		Yeah, I kind of thought that since you're talking about all this new technology, I just believe in some manner that our government has a big hand in this type of development.
		I was just thought it was a curious current now that you've been talking about this type of technology.
		Thank you for your reply.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
		Thank you for calling.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Nick Cook.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, Nick.
unidentified		Hi.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, you know, a lot of things were created by out of the garages and stuff like that of, you know, like the Apple computer and, you know, Microsoft Started for Nothing and stuff like that.
unidentified		Basically, have you ever heard of what is called the floating bed?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		I can't say I have.
unidentified		Okay, that was basically created in 1939 in Canada.
unidentified		And it does exactly what you're looking for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying it levitates.
unidentified		It definitely levitates.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		And is it still demonstrable today?
unidentified		Yes.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I tell you what, if you want to register onto my website, www.highfrontiers.co.uk and register your name, I will get back to you and we can have this discussion about this technology because I'd really like to know more about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		There you have it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Nick Cook.
		Good morning.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, I got beat there just at the last second.
		Good morning, gentlemen.
		Great show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		The question I have for Mr. Cook is if he's ever investigated or done any research into the gravitational propulsion like sites on Google or whatever, and if he has, has he found anything that seems viable?
unidentified		However, after that last caller, I think we've got the answer.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wish it were, good morning, by the way.
		I wish it were as simple as that.
		What I found when I've done my research on Google and elsewhere is that there are a lot of very bold claims out there.
		People say that they've got a theory or people say they've developed something.
		The difficulty, of course, is transcending this into firmly documented evidence.
		And for me, the ultimate litmus test, the acid test of all of this, is to be able to see something that flies.
		I've seen a lifter fly, but as we discussed earlier in the program, it is highly debatable whether that is a pure anti-gravitational effect.
		I suspect not, sadly.
		However, they are very dramatic to watch.
		What I want to see and what I hope to be able to see certainly this year, I'm monitoring a number of very interesting projects out there, is something which defies the laws of gravity, certainly, and maybe even the laws of physics as we understand them in the form of an experiment.
		And it's that demonstrable proof that is so elusive in this game.
		But I think it's out there.
		I think it's coming.
		I think it's ultimately a very hopeful message.
		So, you know, I'm convinced in the not too distant future, we will see something that's demonstrable and that works.
unidentified		Thank you very much, Jans.
unidentified		It was a great show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Nick Cook.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, good morning.
		Hi, Art.
		Hi, Nick.
		This is William from Portland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I was wondering, even though Art grounds out the unwanted voltage from his antenna, could it be hooked up as a power source?
unidentified		And if so, would the power output be constant and would it increase with a greater length of wire?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Those are all really good questions, and I don't have the answer to them, particularly with reference to the amount of current available.
		I don't have that answer yet, although you can bet we're going to investigate.
		So I would think that it's all a matter of scale, and if my five acres of wire is picking up that kind of voltage, then one would imagine higher and longer wires would pick up yet more.
		I don't know.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Nick Cook.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		You have a fantastic radio show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Great.
		Mr. Cook, had you ever met Thomas Bearden?
		And what do you think of his work and what do you think of his meg?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		I haven't met Tom Bearden, but we have been in some dialogue over the years.
		As you may or may not know, I mention Tom Bearden's meg at the end of the Hunt for Zero Point.
		The significance of it at the time I wrote about the MEG was that the U.S. Patent Office had just accepted a patent application on it.
		And as I'm sure you know, the Patent Office is very leery about accepting patents on devices that are either so-called free energy devices or perpetual motion machines.
		So the mere fact that they accepted that patent for Tom Bearden's MEG device struck me as extremely significant.
		The pity is, is that since then, we haven't seen any commercially derived hardware stemming from that theoretical breakthrough.
		I hope that it's coming.
		I understand that it's been bogged down as much by commercial differences between the partners involved in that venture.
		But I'm certainly involved in discussions with people like Tom who have developed similar devices.
		So I know that they're out there, and I think Tom Bearden's doing great work.
		And I hope that his MEG achieves the success that it deserves.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		East of the Rockies, you're on air with Nick Cook.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		Okay, this is Eo from Roseville, Michigan.
		Yes.
		Yes, sir.
		A few years ago, when the Russians put their first spaceship up there, the very, very first one, the Sputnik, I worked for an engineering company.
		We were going to work for the tank arsenal, and a bunch of the engineers and I were all talking about it.
		And I mentioned to them, I said that if you have a copper coil around the spaceship as it passed through the magnetic field of the Earth, it would generate electricity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Much like a motor, yes.
unidentified		And I think that's the same principle that maybe Tesla had if he had the high towers up in the air, the same reason why Earth's getting electricity from his towers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		That may well be.
		Again, Nick, is this an area that you've looked into?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I always feel I have to stick within my area of expertise, and that's certainly not one of them.
		But clearly that the amount of responses you're getting about this shows that it's a subject of great interest to everyone.
		I think it's peripheral really to where my investigations are going.
		But I'll certainly be monitoring the website to see if anyone comes up with any solutions to your problem there, Ort.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not a problem in that I have solved it.
		My radio equipment is safe, but it is something that I feel deserves to be explained.
		And who knows if something like this really has potential, but it is energy, and it's not discernible where it's coming from.
		So that makes it interesting.
		International Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
		You're on the air with Nick Cook.
		Welcome.
unidentified		Oh, good.
		Yeah, I was curious about some images I've been seeing for some time now, and I've noticed on Nick's website he's actually using one of them.
		It's these World War II Nazi UFO images.
		And I was just wondering, I've never been able to find out if they've been debunked or if these are considered valid.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm intrigued because I don't think that's my website because my website American Anti-Gravity?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's not mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not yours.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		That's somebody else's.
		But they do very generously give me and the book, the Hunter Zero Point, quite a big plug.
		So I'm very grateful to American Anti-Gravity.
		Well, they do very good work, and it's a very good website.
unidentified		Have you seen what do I think about pictures of these big saucers sitting by a house from a distance?
		They're pretty amazing, and some of them are flying, and I've seen them around, and I've never been able to find out if they've been validated or not.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's always the question with UFOs.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		I do go into that in the book in some depth.
		It's a bit like the Philadelphia experiment.
		There is a lot of smoke surrounding that particular fire.
		But when I did the digging, fully expecting not to find anything, I was encouraged to find that there were some very secret activities underway during the Nazi period, during the war, funded by the SS,
		not the mainstream armed forces, which were looking into power plants that could have propelled disc-shaped craft.
		Now, where are these disc-shaped craft?
		Well, funny enough, actually, I do know a guy at the moment who is doing some quite interesting digging into former top-secret Nazi research sites in the Czech Republic, who is hopeful of finding some interesting technology down there.
		He's also actually looking to raise funding for his dig.
		So, if anyone wants to get involved in that venture, again, log on to my website, register your interest, and I can put them in touch with this guy who's really done some great work actually in validating a lot of this very top secret work into German advanced propulsion techniques.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm very interested in that.
		If you get a call from somebody, Nick, who says they've got the Holy Grail and you become sufficiently, I don't know, convinced by evidence tossed at you by whatever means, email or however you're lured in, do you actually get in an airplane, travel and look at devices?
		And how many times have you done that?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I mean, I've done that.
		And I wouldn't dream of putting anything in the book or in the new book that I haven't actually personally gone out and validated face-to-face myself.
		Of course, what you have to do is there's so much information out there, and so many people, you know, I'm delighted that so many people have got in touch with me, but of course I can't follow up every lead physically.
		So I employ the filter.
		I find out which inquiries are based on, first of all, theoretical advances, which are based on hardware.
		And it's really the hardware stuff that I'm interested in, because anyone can talk up a theory.
		What we need to do is see hardware that works.
		And I think, actually, Art, that what will happen is, because this is so out there, it's so on the edge, that people tend to be, or seem to be, developing, certainly in the zero-point energy generation side, hardware in advance of the theory.
		The theory is so sketchy that things, that manifestations of these effects are being pulled from wherever.
		Let's call it the vacuum of space or the zero-point field.
		But there is no good fundamental theory underpinning where these effects are coming from.
		And I think that what's going to happen is eventually science theory is going to catch up with the hardware and will map out what's going on here.
		But for the moment, we are really, to a very large degree, swimming in the dark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		One quick question I think we have time for.
		Hello there.
		West of the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Nick Cook.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Art.
		It's a true pleasure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Yes.
		I have a question regarding the German technology.
		I'm a researcher myself, and I've been dabbling in micromagnetic energy.
		And my name is Thurston.
		I'm from California, Southern California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I found a stunning similarity to what's going on politically and what's going on with the German technology with the Third Reich trying to take over the world utilizing such a thing.
unidentified		Well, and what's going on right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, I guess there is a lot of old information to be gleaned about what the Germans were doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it's all out by now or not, Nick?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		By no means all out.
		My research, and again, this will be detailed in the follow-up book, let's call it the Humphrey 0.2, is going to, I hope, really kind of take the lid off that very compartmentalized, very secret, but very fundamental research into some of the things that we're talking about here.
		Advanced propulsion, they were into directed energy weapons, but all of this activity was contained in an environment not dissimilar to the way that the black world has been set up today, in a very highly compartmentalized way, very difficult to access, and in a way that history has not documented.
		And that's where I'm going to be going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nick, meanwhile, your first book is still available, isn't it?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Very much so, and I'm delighted to say doing brisk business, which is very gratifying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there you are, folks.
		If you want to know more about what you've heard, Amazon.com or whatever and the hunt for zero point and coming out soon.
		About how soon, Nick?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		I hope to have it out next year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Next year?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Yep, it'll be.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the research is, as I said, about 95% done, but we hope that the book will be available next year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't really have a title, do you?
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		I've got a number of titles that I'm working on that are working titles, but there's nothing I'm putting out yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good luck and good night.
nick cook ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Art, very much.
unidentified		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it, folks.
		It's been a wonderful weekend.
		Thank you all from the high desert this night, this weekend.
		It's good night.
		Crystal Gale has always just the right words.
unidentified		Good night in the desert, shooting stars across the sky.
		This magical journey will take the sun around.
		Filled with belonging, searching for the truth.
		Will we make it to tomorrow?

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