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	♪ From the high desert and the great American southwest,
	I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's time zones,
	each and every one of them covered like a blanket.
	By this program, Post to Post AM, I'm Art Bell.
	It's my honor and privilege to be escorting you through what's going to be a great weekend, I guarantee.
	Well, I guess that depends on your point of view.
	Some of the news that I've got coming directly up for you with Whitley Strieber is incredibly disturbing.
	Just really disturbing.
	So... But on the other hand, that's what this program does.
	We disturb people all the time.
	So that's coming right up.
	A couple of items to get out of the way.
	There's a picture on my webcam.
	Arts webcam.
	You can go to postcoastam.com.
	It's upper left-hand corner.
	Arts webcam of the desert.
	We have had an incredible, just an incredible bloom this year in the desert because of all the water that we've been receiving.
	Very unusual weather patterns this whole winter and we've had a lot of water and what you see is the results sent by a listener whose name I didn't grab.
	Thank you very much.
	It is a picture though of the high desert in bloom and I'm sure you've heard about it.
	People take trips, you know, treks to Death Valley To see this kind of thing.
	It's like an artist, you know, just took all his paints and threw it on a few mountains and there you go.
	That's the result.
	So that's on the webcam.
	Now, last night on the Jay Leno Show, somebody I know very well, Chip Margelli of Yesu, Who makes, well, they make all kinds of radio products, you know, marine, amateur, all kinds of radio services, police, you know, that kind of thing.
	He is a longtime ham radio operator, and Jay Leno had Chip and a partner, and then two young college kids on, and it was, you know, it was a contest to see who could send a sentence faster.
	New technology, brand new, text messaging, The love child of everybody below about 30 years of age, or the hundred-plus-year-old continuous wave, CW.
	And I must say, Chip Margelli and his partner cleaned the clocks of the text messengers.
	As a matter of fact, if you happen to see it, the guys who were sending the text messaging kind of had a blank what just happened to us kind of expression on their faces it was uh... it was awesome so congratulations chip margiela this is going to be a weekend of breaking news in more ways than one and uh... what i've received a video tonight and i got it as usual this kind of thing usually comes in two or three hours before showtime
	And tonight is no exception, so tomorrow night I'm going to have a young fellow on who has captured unambiguously a new set of Phoenix Lights.
	As dramatic as... I'm telling you, what he has captured is just incredible.
	He has not sent it, according to his email, to anybody else but myself.
	And tomorrow night, what I'm trying to do, and the reason we're stalling for about 24 hours is so we can get the file up on the website.
	It's pretty good as it is right now.
	They might cut it down, but it's about an 8 meg file of what this young man caught on video.
	Tomorrow night, we'll have him on the air as well as his video, assuming all works out well and they manage to get it up on the website.
	All right, in a moment, I'm going to read you a story, which in this case comes from the Sunday Times, Britain, but I could just as easily be reading it from Whitley Strieber's Unknown Country, where I found it first, or the Sunday Times of Ireland, or all kinds of European newspapers about something that's going on in the world right now that will affect every single one of us, and soon.
	So, stand by for that, coming right up.
	Nope.
	Thanks for watching!
	As you know, Whitley Strieber and myself are authors of The Coming Global Superstorm, which became the movie The Day After Tomorrow.
	And when you read a book like that, that's part science and part fiction, that, you know, severely impacts the world, the last thing that you want to see happen is for it to come true.
	Let me read you now from the Sunday Times in Britain.
	May 8th, 2005.
	Headline, Britain faces big chill as ocean current slows.
	Climate change researchers have detected the first signs of a slowdown in the Gulf Stream, the mighty ocean current that keeps Britain and Europe from freezing.
	They found that one of the engines driving the Gulf Stream, that would be the sinking of supercooled water in the Greenland Sea, has weakened to less than a quarter of its former strength.
	Now let me read that paragraph again, it's so damn important.
	They found that one of the engines driving the Gulf Stream, the sinking of supercooled water in the Greenland Sea, has weakened to less than a quarter of its former strength.
	The weakening apparently caused by global warming could herald big changes in the current over the next few years or even decades.
	Paradoxically, it could lead to Britain and Northwestern and Europe undergoing a sharp drop in temperatures.
	Such a change has long been predicted by scientists, but the new research is among the first to show experimental evidence of the phenomenon.
	Peter Wethams, a professor of ocean physics at Cambridge University, hitched rides under the Arctic ice cap in Royal Navy submarines, and he used ships to take measurements across the Greenland Sea.
	Until recently, he said, we'd find giant chimneys in the sea where columns of cold, dense water We're sinking from the surface to a seabed 3,000 meters below, but now they have almost disappeared.
	As the water sank, it was replaced by warm water flowing in from the south, which kept the circulation going.
	If that mechanism is slowing, it would mean less heat reaching Europe.
	Such a change could have a severe impact on Britain, which lies on the same latitude as Siberia, It ought to be much colder.
	The Gulf Stream transports 27,000 times more heat to Britain's shores than all the nation's power supplies could ever provide, warming Britain by 5 to 8 degrees centigrade.
	Wadhams and his colleagues believe, however, that such changes could be well underway.
	They predict that the slowing of the Gulf Stream is likely to be accompanied by other effects, such as the complete summer melting of the Arctic ice cap, As early as 2020, and almost certainly by 2080, this would spell disaster for Arctic wildlife like the polar bear, which could face virtual extinction.
	Wenham's submarine journeys took him under the North Pole ice cap, using sonar to survey the ice from underneath.
	He has measured how the ice has become 46% thinner over the last 20 years.
	The results from these surveys prompted him to focus on a feature called the Odden Ice Shelf, which should grow out into the Greenland Sea every winter and recede in summer.
	The growth of this shelf should trigger the annual formation of the sinking water columns.
	As seawater freezes to form the shelf, The ice crystals expel their salt into the surrounding water, making it heavier than the water below.
	It appeared in full in 1997.
	In the past, we could see nine to twelve giant columns forming under the shelf each and every year.
	In our latest cruise, we found only two, and they were so weak that the sinking water could not reach the seabed, said Williams, who disclosed the findings at a meeting of the European Geosciences Union in Vienna.
	The exact effects of such changes is hard to predict because currents and weather systems take years to respond and because there are two other areas around the North Atlantic where water sinks, helping to maintain circulation.
	Less is known about how climate change is affecting those.
	However, Weddams suggests the effect could be quite dramatic.
	Quote, one of the frightening things in the film, The Day After Tomorrow, showed how the circulation in the Atlantic Ocean is upset because the sinking of cold water in the North Atlantic suddenly stopped, said he.
	The sinking is stopping.
	Made much slower than in the film, over years rather than days.
	Should it continue though, the effect will be to cool the climate of Northern Europe.
	One possibility is that Europe Will freeze.
	Another is that the slowing of the Gulf Stream may keep Europe cool as global warming heats the rest of the world, but with more extremes of weather.
	And here is my co-author, Whitley Streber.
	Whitley, welcome to the program.
	Well, thank you, Art, and I almost don't know where to begin.
	There's an interview with him on this week's Dreamland, this scientist, Glenn Alton Howell's report, This week, and there's a brief special at the five minutes at the beginning of the show, and to listen to that, you go to unknowncountry.com and click on the word Dreamland on the right side of the masthead.
	That said, I will go on from our story.
	However, there is ample evidence that sudden and extreme changes have taken place worldwide in the past.
	Unknown country reported on this phenomenon in December of 2004 and earlier in November of 2003.
	There is a mechanism that changes the process of climate change that seems to be unfolding over a period of years into a violent event that just takes hours or days to develop.
	It happened 5200 years ago, as is amply revealed in the fossil record, since we wrote our book.
	Professor Lonnie Thompson of the, I believe it's called the Bird Arctic Institute, determined that glaciers in Peru had, at their bases, plants that had been frozen as quickly as we freeze vegetables to put them in, to make them into frozen food.
	And they had stayed like that for 5,200 years.
	Who'd see the Iceman?
	who was found in such a dramatic find in the Alps a few years ago was going through an alpine meadow at the same time that this was happening in Peru and he was overcome by an ice storm and he was not released from that ice for 5,200 years.
	So that means that whatever this is, contrary to popular belief, may come on Just like that.
	I mean, fast enough to freeze meat and keep it fresh.
	And then keep it that way for 5,200 years.
	Right.
	Back when the New York Times was still reporting this, they don't report this much anymore.
	Oh, that's the other aspect of this.
	I mean, here I've got it from the Sunday Times in Britain.
	I've got it from your website, by the way, first.
	Congratulations.
	And then the Sunday Times, Ireland.
	All of them mentioning the movie the day after tomorrow.
	We don't need the plugs anymore, folks.
	The movie and the book, they're already, you know, they've happened.
	They're happening now on paid TV, I think.
	Anyway, the bottom line is you don't expect when you write something like this for it to becoming true in the next few years after you write it.
	How are you?
	I mean, this must have hit you like a brick.
	I know it did me.
	It hit me between the eyes, Art.
	Between the eyes, because when we wrote this book, you know, we were thinking about 25 years in the future.
	Right.
	It's six years later.
	Yeah, six years, and here it is.
	This thing that's happening there, frankly, the things they aren't saying about it, they aren't saying that three years ago it was working fine.
	Three years ago.
	No, it's practically gone.
	Now, here's something maybe you'd care to try and comment on, but, you know, Europe freezing is horrible enough, but that's there and this is here.
	We do have European listeners, sorry, but the question, Whitley, is should the full force of this manifest itself?
	What about here?
	What about us?
	What about the U.S.?
	What might we expect?
	The disruptions that will occur here, what actually physically happens in the ocean is, as the Gulf Stream gets weaker, it gets, in effect, shorter.
	It begins to go farther, not to go as far north as it did, and it goes out to sea.
	The critical thing is, as it goes out to sea and moves away from the land, We have things such as a bizarre phenomenon that happened a couple of summers ago along the whole Northeast.
	We may have even talked about it on the air, where people were going swimming and finding the water was terribly cold.
	That's right.
	Listen, I glommed on to that very quickly.
	We had a lot about that on the air.
	I mean, people who are used to surfing and swimming every day would go down to the ocean and they'd go, Holy smokes or something, and when they put their foot in the water, the water was just freezing and nobody could understand why.
	Nobody could, but I knew why.
	And now it's confirmed that this weakening was already taking place.
	Now, when that cold water comes down the eastern Atlantic, especially if it comes down in the summer, it results in very violent weather.
	But more than that, it causes a reactive effect
	i've really must tell you there's no way to tell no way to know exactly
	what it does to do is that we know it makes the eastern united states and
	canada no eastern canada much colder just like europe
	well if europe would freeze wittly that would be such a dramatic shift in what's
	going on globally that i don't see how it could not affect the rest of the
	world one way or the other well i'll tell you how it affects
	The first way it affects the rest of the world is this.
	Europe is a net food exporter.
	That little corner of the world is one of the most, I think is in fact, the most efficient food producing area on the planet.
	And despite its dense population, and you go into Europe and you think you're just going from city to city, the truth of the matter is, those little farms you see as you go down the road or ride the train, are the most productive forms of the world
	that will change europe will become and that food importer
	so ironically first people to suffer
	europe getting colder are going to be like the north africans
	and the africans who benefit now
	greatly from european food exports in that that will be there
	uh... i would think that the uh... the growing areas would would quickly move south wouldn't they or uh... there is no
	No, they won't, because of the fact that accompanying this in the hotter areas or regions is going to be a drying effect.
	So, Europe is going to be wet and cold, but by the time you get down to South Central Africa, it's going to be the sub-Saharan desert, the Sahel, is going to be almost Heading toward the equator.
	So there's no wonderful new growing areas?
	No.
	Absolute fiction.
	What you will have is more deserts.
	In this country, the Midwest stands a really excellent chance of ending up a dust bowl.
	An absolute dust bowl, which is... I was, as long ago as I wrote Nature's End, I can't even think, I'm like 1986.
	That was obvious that that would happen, and it is still, it's just closer now.
	But you know, before we go on, this is such dark news.
	It is dark news, Whitley.
	There is a little good news out there on this front, too.
	Let's hear it.
	Okay, probably the best piece of news out there right now is a discovery about ethanol.
	We reported this on Unknown Country just about a week ago, I think, and it was that a scientist has discovered that ethanol, which is expensive now, can actually be made.
	He's discovered a process that will be able to make large amounts of ethanol from basically any kind of scrap vegetation that we happen to have.
	Uh, and this is a huge breakthrough because they're going to be able to reduce the amount of oil that we use in the United States and at the same time make our existing infrastructure of cars and trucks much cleaner burning because they're going to be able to use this.
	And this will come on stream over the next five years, big time.
	It and many other advances like it need to end quickly, because we're going to face, very soon now, a period of time where all the cheap oil, the easy-to-get oil, has already been obtained, refined, and used.
	And there are people who keep saying out there, Actually, oil is produced in another way, and it's actually a renewable resource.
	It is not like that.
	I think my guest last week who wrote for Rolling Stone said, these people believe the earth has a creamy nugget center, which simply keeps squirting oil up into the used fields.
	They do believe that, yeah.
	Well, there are still people who also believe the earth is flat.
	Right, exactly.
	The bad truth is that that just isn't the case.
	It does not work like that.
	Right.
	So we're going to need this and a lot more.
	And even if we do get it, there's going to be a period of time, which this author calls the long emergency, in which we're going to have hard times.
	I mean, we really do depend on oil, of course, for everything we do.
	And if the weather's going to get cold and nasty, we're going to need even more fuel, right?
	Well, that's the thing.
	The other aspect of this that is troubling, really troubling, is the possibility that if this difference, differential between a cold north and a very hot rest of the planet, presumably also a cold south and a hot center, continues, we're going to see hurricanes.
	We could see like a continuous daisy chain of hurricanes in the summer within a few years.
	Last year actually wasn't so hot.
	Wait, hold on.
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	Well, it certainly does sound like horses of some number thundering, doesn't it?
	Whitley Striever is my guest, co-author of Becoming Global Superstorm.
	By the way, he's got a new book out.
	We'll tell you about that in a moment.
	However, the premise of that book appears to be coming true before our eyes.
	that is if you have your eyes on nearly any British publication or European publication.
	Now maybe I'm wrong here, but I don't think so.
	We report on fingers that get found in Chile and mischief makers behind all that.
	We report on so many things, but good God!
	You get a story like this, and just so that you understand the significance of it, Let me read this one paragraph again from the Sunday Times in Britain, quite prestigious.
	Cambridge researchers have found that one of the engines driving the Gulf Stream, the sinking of supercooled water in the Greenland Sea, has weakened now, right now already, to less than one quarter of its former strength.
	Now, I just got a fast blast from Anthony, who says, isn't it sad that it is nowhere on CNN's website?
	What a commentary on our newsroom's priorities.
	Woodley, as I mentioned, you know, we get fingers and chili stories and stuff like that, but here we've got something that's going to affect the weather of the whole world, could freeze all of Europe, and Nary a mention.
	Hello, what's up here?
	It's terrifying.
	No Fox News, no CNN, no Washington Post, no Washington Times.
	How can this be?
	No what?
	No New York Times?
	Yeah.
	How could it be?
	And just a few years ago, the New York Times led the world in reporting these environmental stories.
	Now, it just has abandoned the whole area.
	Is it sort of self-censorship?
	Because they think that the administration doesn't want to hear those stories?
	Or is it... That's a possibility.
	That they think the public doesn't want to hear them?
	That the public's not interested?
	But I think, listen, look at the stats on my website.
	I think the public's real interested.
	Well, this is not science fiction.
	This is not somebody's imagination.
	This is real reporting, and it's now, and it's not... I don't know how I mean, people, I guess, are getting so cynical, they hear so many things, but this is so, so serious, and nary a word in our own press.
	It's just impossible.
	It's hard to believe, but, you know, it is probably the biggest environmental story in history.
	The problem is that this thing is like a... It's momentum-driven.
	In other words, it's not something that It's going to start up again tomorrow.
	It's going to go through its whole cycle.
	Sure.
	Of slowing and stopping.
	And then, eventually, what will happen is the cold in the north will cause the water to start falling again.
	And it'll start, restart, under some conditions.
	But really, that's an unknown, because we are Heating the planet up faster than it has been heated up for 65 million years.
	When the dinosaurs were dying out, the Earth's atmosphere was heating up as fast as it is now.
	It was getting rather... filling with carbon dioxide as fast as it is now, with the difference that in those days, there were so many... there was such a cloud cover because of the comet that hit the planet, that it was actually cooling down, even though it was filling with carbon dioxide and methane.
	It was a...
	It was such a mess then, that we know when we're looking at fossils of plants from the end of that era, because the leaves are scarred by sulfuric acid from acid rain.
	Now, that was bad.
	This is not so good either, but it has been worse on this planet, and life has persisted.
	The dinosaurs didn't make it, but other creatures did.
	Usually, it's the little creatures that make it.
	The little things that are running around now that we don't even think twice about.
	Yes, but that wouldn't include us.
	That would not include us, no.
	We would go the way of the big animals.
	We're too big and we're too exposed.
	There was even a scientist who calculated the likelihood of extinction based on the amount of skin exposed to the atmosphere on the part of a given animal and proved That the larger the animal, the more vulnerable it was to changes, and we are no exception to that.
	You're a researcher into all this sort of thing, and so a few hours before airtime tonight, I got an email from a gentleman in Phoenix who shall remain unnamed until tomorrow night, because I don't want the world to descend on him until we have a chance to break the story.
	But he has sent me video footage.
	New video footage of lights that have appeared above Phoenix just a few nights ago.
	This was done on May 12th of 2005, so it's fresh, brand new, and I took the trouble to send Whitley the video that I'm going to show you all tomorrow night, earlier this evening.
	Whitley, what do you think?
	Well, it's really remarkably clear video.
	Yes, yes.
	He's a researcher.
	He does a lot of this.
	He pointed out that he has already talked to Luke Air Force Base.
	The lights are over the mountains west of Phoenix again.
	And they're telling him that there was no activity at that time at all.
	And the way these lights move is unusual.
	It's actually not too surprising to me, because it's part of a very large phenomenon that's going on right now.
	That is another thing that the press has dropped.
	If this was 1975, the world would know about the amazing UFO wave that is taking place right now.
	But it's not.
	It's 2005, and that is kind of officially non-news anymore.
	But in fact, the truth is, We're getting more reports specifically of triangular UFOs.
	That's right.
	Even one credible report that came in saying that the observer had seen writing in English on the bottom of the craft showing an emergency exit sign suggesting that at least some of them probably are, as Colm Kelleher of the National Institute of Discovery Sciences maintained for years, secret aircraft.
	They may well be.
	but they're all over the place. But things like you saw are being just seen in droves right now.
	Yes, I saw one of the very early ones to be sure. But since then there's just been nothing but a
	wave of all of that triangular stuff. In the meantime, these lights, what you're going to
	see tomorrow night folks, I mean Whitley, it is good, clear, unambiguous video. And it's shot
	some high bit rate or something or another.
	I don't know what the deal is.
	It's real good.
	He's used a very, very good video camera, so you'll be able to tell a lot about these lights.
	And, you know, they don't drop away like flares at all.
	Oh, no.
	And they move very quickly.
	I was trying to think, probably be able to You can't calculate the speed of them, unfortunately, because there's no way to tell how far they are from the camera.
	But it's an excellent piece of video, and thank goodness people, video cameras are finally getting to the point where there is some UFO video coming out that's really clear.
	Yes, and he claims that he sent this to me exclusively.
	Nobody else has it yet, so tomorrow night you all are going to get it.
	And I just wanted you to sort of back it up, Woodley, the fact that you've seen it, and it really is something.
	It's quick, but it's really something.
	It is something.
	It's a fine piece of video.
	Very fine piece of video.
	All right, listen, you've got a new book, or a book you just completed, right?
	Just completed.
	Now, folks, it is not out yet because there's a lag time in publishing, but I will be publishing pieces of it in the subscriber section of my website over the next year, and it'll build a website for it.
	It's called The Graze, and it is basically Everything I think might be true about that phenomenon, and the way it may or may not impact us, written like I wrote Majestic, in the form of fiction, which is, I think, fact-related.
	But I can't prove it, and I can't document it, and there's also another thing.
	There's a lot of kind of intuitive stuff that I've got in me from all the years of kind of being out on this particular edge.
	That I can't put down in a book of fact, and I'm not apologizing for my book anyway, in any way, but suffice to say this is my statement about the Greys.
	Uh, Whitley, what are the Greys?
	What is your best guess?
	What are we dealing with when we talk about the Greys?
	What are they?
	Well, I can't answer that question except by describing various things that I have observed and that I know that they do.
	The reason I can't will become obvious to a reader of the book.
	The greys, for example, they move and make sounds and do things with machine-like precision.
	But I have never in my life heard anything as rich emotionally as the voice of one of these greys that cried out three times Crossed my woods early one morning in February of 1988.
	The Greys come in groups of three.
	And they do very, very unpleasant things to us.
	That's also part of it.
	But, uh, so sort of one part machine, but then one part emotion, which doesn't seem... Doesn't seem to jive.
	No.
	It doesn't seem like if they were machine-like, they would have such rich emotions.
	And the bottom line is this.
	There's something missing with the Greys.
	Something missing.
	And that's essentially what the book is about.
	It's about what's missing and their attempts to reclaim or to gain what they do not have.
	What have you discerned about their motives, if anything?
	I mean, from the actions that they take, can any conclusions be made about their motives?
	Well, first, there are not many of them here.
	That is very, very clear.
	If you study this and experience it long enough, you find you come to the conclusion that there couldn't be all that many of them around.
	They're not teeming millions by any means.
	It's a tiny number.
	There's even a sort of personality with different groups of, you can almost tell after a while if you work on this long enough, who's doing what.
	Because there's a certain signature, they do things slightly differently.
	I think there's a possibility that a whole lot more greys are on their way here.
	It's very possible where they're coming from.
	Out of another dimension, or across space?
	I don't know.
	My guess is it would be across space, and that it does not... that this business of wormholes and stuff is all fiction.
	That it takes a lot of time for them to come here, and that they've sent scouts out, perhaps, which are... which move at a very rapid rate of speed, and maybe were kind of reconstituted here when they arrived, which is why they have a combination of a sort of a rich emotional effect in a machine-like quality
	because they are on the shadow line between machine and biological creature
	well when I talk to scientists who have interviewed abductees and others who have had you know interaction with them
	yourself an awful lot of what
	we might imagine their motives to be appears to be aimed toward our reproductive capability
	Absolutely.
	I think genes are a huge issue.
	I suspect that this is a very old species.
	I think it's a pre-sexual species.
	I think it comes from before there was There were species with two sexes, but it works differently.
	And maybe it's a billion years old, or maybe older.
	And I think that something's played out.
	I think that basically species can die of old age, and what they're after is our youth.
	That's extremely interesting.
	A species can die of old age.
	Absolutely.
	In other words, the genetic code itself sort of ages and plays out.
	Wow.
	And look at what we're doing now, genetically.
	The little bit that we've begun to do.
	If we were a billion years old and you looked at the human genome, what you would see would be a mass of artificial genes, of real genes, You would find the genetic signatures for various organ groups and organs playing out and being replaced by artificial material.
	We would be a very peculiar combination of artificial life, of biological life, and of mechanism by then.
	And maybe, in that process, we would have lost something essential about being human.
	And I have a feeling that that's what they have lost, and that's what they want from us.
	God, it's already beginning for us, Woodley.
	I've talked to scientists who have begun to connect computers to their nervous systems.
	I've talked to people who are doing implants, and the plans for that sort of thing are really frightening in a way, and so we're already moving towards sort of a, I don't know, a joining with the mechanism.
	Well, there's chimeras, for example.
	There's a herd of sheep out in Oregon, I believe, who have got human cells in their bodies, like human brain cells in their brains.
	I've heard about it.
	Of course.
	And the truth of the matter is that anything is possible to do.
	And over time, if you're not really careful about the ethics of it, and maybe they weren't, gradually you end up Maybe lost in a way that we can hardly conceive of.
	Well, it does not seem as though the regulatory agencies, whoever might regulate what these scientists are doing, are moving along at anywhere near the same speed the scientific advances are.
	Not anywhere near.
	And in certain places, like China, there are no such... What regulatory work has done is all done in the direction of doing more of this.
	Because they would love to.
	You know, we react in horror when we think of growing human bodies without heads, so that the cloning, human beings cloning themselves with bodies that don't develop heads so that they won't be fully human, and then they can harvest the organs.
	But the Chinese are working on that in overdrive.
	Yes, they have no restrictions.
	If they need a human volunteer, they simply volunteer somebody, or plenty of somebody.
	So they just plow ahead with this research.
	With this research?
	I wonder if we're keeping up.
	I fear not.
	Maybe if we could only take a closer look at the grays, that would be a warning about the future.
	I wonder.
	You really think that the grays might be, as you mentioned, very old and have already been through all this and made the mistakes?
	And made the mistakes?
	I think so.
	You know, that gets me, by the way, to the... Remember that Roswell video that was so sensational a few years ago of those strange six-fingered-handed creatures with the oddly faces that looked like they were in some sort of genetic trouble?
	Of course.
	And everyone, after a while, it was all debunked and said it was all nonsense.
	It wasn't nonsense.
	The reason it wasn't nonsense, I can tell you very simply, is I had one of the The best anatomists in this country examine that footage for me.
	And those are real skeletons.
	There's real skeletons inside those bodies when they move the legs around.
	There's no question about it.
	They're not moving like something that was made.
	Those are real corpses.
	Who knows whether they put artificial hands on them.
	The hands with six fingers.
	If we had polydactylism, The sixth finger would be identical to one of the other five, because we don't have the genetic encoding for a sixth finger that's proportional to the other five.
	Well, Wendley, I've always said, if the real thing came along and hit us right in the nose, we wouldn't know it, because there's such a plethora of stuff out there, much of it... These people, in this video, are in terrible genetic trouble.
	They've got a genetic disease big time.
	But it is not one that we have identified Among human beings.
	And I'm sorry, people who said, oh no, it's this disease, or it's that disease.
	It's not true.
	It is a unique genetic disease that those creatures have, as far as we're concerned.
	Could they be human beings from the distant future?
	Or could they be human-like creatures from another world, here trying to find some kind of help for themselves genetically, because they've gone Some distance down the same road that the Greys are at the end of.
	Mm-hmm.
	Listen, my friend, we've got to go.
	What an hour.
	I really appreciate all the breaking news, sharing it with you and you sharing it with everybody, Whitley.
	Thank you, my friend.
	For sure.
	The Greys.
	That's his next book.
	Good night, Whitley.
	Good night.
	All right, there you have it, folks.
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	Dr. Bruce Lipton.
	He received his PhD at the University of Virginia back in 1971, served as associate professor at the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine, where his research on cloned human stem cells provided a radical new understanding of the mechanisms controlling life.
	Bruce resigned his tenured position, now that's not something you do lightly, to pursue independent research integrating quantum physics with cell biology.
	He returned to academia as a research scientist at Stanford University School of Medicine to test his hypothesis from 87 to 92, Bruce's revolutionary studies on the mechanisms of mind Body interactions unify the practices of conventional medicine, complementary medicine, and spiritual healing.
	His insights made him an internationally sought-after lecturer, and his informative, very informative new book, The Biology of Belief, Unleashing the Power of Consciousness, Matter and Miracles, is now available in a moment, in person, as I would like to have Alison Dubois.
	Here comes Dr. Bruce Lipton.
	It's going to be quite a night.
	stay right there.
	Hear from, well actually I don't know where he's from, is Dr. Bruce Lipton.
	Doctor, where are you?
	California, and happy.
	Well, welcome to the program.
	Good to have you.
	I'm glad to be here.
	We have some exciting things to talk about.
	This whole area is incredibly exciting.
	I don't know if you follow the program at all, but We've done some things with consciousness that, well, hey, they scared me.
	I've been doing this kind of thing for years.
	In your book, The Biology of Belief, Unleashing the Power of Consciousness, Matter and Miracles, you write about how some sort of scientific epiphany precipitated instantaneous personal transformation in your life.
	That must have been some very special moment.
	I know that people, for example, don't Just resign tenured positions at big universities unless something really radical happens.
	Well, I'll tell you, it was the biggest shock of my life because I was a conventional professor teaching the kind of things medical students get about how biochemistry and genes control life and teaching the concept essentially of the human body is like a machine.
	And that medicine is involved with changing the parts and making it run right and all that, so it doesn't leave any room for spirituality and all those other kinds of things, which were never actually part of my life.
	And I was working on the stem cells, and well, people think of stem cells as that recent thing that's just been happening.
	It's like, I actually started working on stem cells, cloning stem cells, back in 1967, so it's almost 40 years ago, in fact.
	The biggest surprise of my life were the lessons that those cells showed me, and that particular night was the understanding of actually how cells were controlled, and what was unique about it is this was about 15 years of research that took me away from genes, the belief that genes control life, which everyone else was on that path, and I started recognizing that genes indeed were not controlling life, and when I found out What controlled life, I was shocked into another understanding, another reality.
	And interesting, I mean, although I got the consciousness that hit me right there at that moment, it still took me a bit of time to realize that we are programmed.
	And even though I was consciously aware of this new understanding about that we are spiritual entities, that we're not even in the body, and this was through a molecular understanding of how the cell works, It just floored me because I needed to learn how to put that into my life, not just the awareness of it.
	So there was a little bit of a lag period, and I think this is important because there's a tendency to think that if we just know something, then, you know, that's going to change our lives.
	And this gets into the issue of the consciousness and the programming of patterns and behavior which came out of this work.
	Okay, well it may have been an epiphany for you, but I'm still not sure that I get it.
	Okay, well let me tell you how it works.
	It was this concept that genes control life.
	This is what's being taught in schools right now, and it's in every textbook everywhere about the concept of something referred to as genetic determinacy, which means that the genes that you get at conception are essentially blueprints for the rest of your life, and you live your life through this.
	And what the issue was when I started working on the stem cells, one of the big things that I found out right away is that The character or behavior or traits of the cells change when I put it in one culture environment or change the environment and put them in another environment.
	They change their behavior, they change their expression, that they were healthy or sick, or they change into different kinds of cells.
	Are you suggesting it's adaptation?
	Well, it's basically, it is a dynamic process where life is continuously reading the environment and adjusting the biology to conform To the perception of that environment.
	So it's not your genes are not your fixed fate.
	Genes are potentials.
	What you do with those potentials are based on how you see the environment.
	And this was the big thing.
	I mean, after all these years of thinking you want to change your life, you're going to change your genes.
	And now all of a sudden it says you want to change your life.
	You have to understand how you if you just change your perception of the environment, you get your your whole life can change.
	So you could talk about, for example, a person who has terminal cancer.
	And they have bought into the story that this is the end and their life is waning right now.
	And all of a sudden they just get this belief change that says, I'm not going to buy that.
	I'm not buying that.
	And they get up and they get out and they exhibit what's called a spontaneous remission.
	It's like, what happened in this case is they changed something about their perceptions.
	Belief changed.
	You can see it in another case.
	Multiple personalities.
	Multiple personalities.
	And one personality can have blue eyes.
	and then switch to the other personality and have gray eyes and and really yeah really that's documented
	yeah and and what also documented is this is that they can have allergies in
	one personality and less than a minute later change personality
	and those things that would have caused a severe allergic reaction
	just a minute before Okay, slow down.
	I really need to understand that this is true.
	You're saying that a person with multiple personalities, one of them can have blue eyes, but when they switch personalities, actually it's documented, the eyes change color right there in front of your face.
	Now this is hard kind of stuff to believe, right?
	It is, yes.
	And yet it's exciting because it's a pathology In a sense that they're not in control of it, but it represents an ability that we have the power of changing our expression when we change our perception of life.
	Doctor, where can a person do some reading, Bruce, where can a person do some reading to verify that, for example?
	Okay, there's an organization of dissociation, I'll get it and we can post it on the line, okay?
	An organization for dissociation studies, dissociation being people separating from their personality and acquiring other personalities.
	There's a big organization that studies this, and there's data to all this effect.
	Even, you know the story, The Three Faces of Eve?
	I think that movie that came out?
	Yes.
	Remember something like that?
	Yes, oh yes.
	Well, I met that woman, and she's actually one of the first ones.
	She had a severe allergy to strawberries that caused her to get hives in one of her personalities.
	And when she changed personality, that allergy didn't affect her.
	That I believe.
	Let's go back for a second to spontaneous remissions.
	Now, I know that's true.
	That happens.
	I don't know how frequently.
	I think it's fairly rare.
	But it happens.
	Which people express it?
	This is important.
	What is uniform about those that express it versus those that don't?
	What is?
	I assume that you looked at studies of spontaneous remissions.
	How many have there been?
	Oh, the numbers are in thousands, but in the sense that the problem is that when you try to document it, then there's a take-back where they say, well, the original diagnosis wasn't necessarily correct all of a sudden.
	And this is the issue because it doesn't conform to an understanding that medicine likes to play with, except they're very aware of it.
	It's called the placebo effect.
	And what it really represents is, what is the placebo effect?
	It's an ability to heal yourself.
	Based on the belief that whatever you're doing at that moment is something that will effectively heal you.
	Yes, as long as you believe it will work.
	Yes, and people should know this as well.
	There's an equal and opposite effect called the nocebo effect.
	And that's the one that says if you are told That you can't do something about it, or that it's too late.
	I'm sorry, son.
	You have a brain tumor.
	You have six months.
	It's irreversible and inoperable.
	At that point, that belief system itself will promote that situation.
	And it's a very important understanding, because it says, look, placebo, nocebo, it's the same concept.
	It's basically, it says, what you believe in your perceptions will change the biology that you're expressing.
	This is actually a new understanding, and it's not that new.
	In fact, science has actually been publishing information about how this mechanism occurs since 1990.
	And it's a new understanding in a sense that it's not in the textbook.
	It's been in the leading-edge research for at least the last 15 years, and it's a concept called epigenetic control.
	And what does that mean?
	Well, genetic control is what we were talking about before.
	Genes control life.
	But doesn't this leave a doctor who buys into what you're saying right now in a terrible position?
	Because if he tells a patient he's got an inoperable fatal tumor, then he has just dispensed the piece of information that's going to kill that person.
	At exactly the same time, it's not a helpful situation.
	And it's been an issue because when you talk to doctors, their programming is not to give false hope.
	And so the significance about this is that it's an important program because if you don't give false hope, meaning it's hope that you don't have anything you can, you know, there's no evidence for.
	So I'm going to tell you something could happen here, but I don't have any evidence.
	They call that false hope.
	So the significance is you take away from their arsenal of healing ability, you take away the ability of suggestion.
	That they could influence a person because the idea was they don't want to be held liable for anything, and as a result, it's like, okay, this is what you have.
	And it's an issue of, it's an unfortunate issue of legal issues and medical issues that are mixing right there.
	It's very difficult because a doctor is really obliged not to offer something that he can't scientifically attest to.
	But, if, in fact, the human mind is capable of reversing the otherwise scientifically thought to be irreversible, then there's an obligation on the part of the healer who's taken an oath To do the very best he can to include this.
	This is going to be very hard, though, to get into traditional scientific literature and medical literature.
	It's actually, they're trying to wean it out of the literature right now.
	The drug companies are trying to remove studies of placebos.
	And the reason is because it contaminates their studies.
	Many of their drugs are no better than placebos.
	It's scientifically not really of any value above a sugar pill.
	And that is a scientific fact that the federal government, actually this psychologist, Erwin Kirsch at the University of Connecticut, he had to actually sue the government's Freedom of Information Act to get the test results on these drugs.
	And it found out, he's reported a number of papers on it, that the fact is that Prozac and Zoloft, those kind of drugs, Are no better than a placebo, and it's very hard because you can get those people who take this drug that will swear on their lives that this is what did it.
	And yet, of course, it's like, well, I'm happy that that happened.
	There are a lot of people that could have sworn before that Laetrile cured their cancer.
	And it did, but it wasn't really through the Laetrile.
	It was that they took it with the belief that this was the most fantastic cancer cure ever.
	And they started doing it.
	So the issue is, I mean, how can you do this?
	And what we're talking about seems like magic.
	It's like, if I change my belief or perception of what I see, I change my biology and the answers through the new understanding called epigenetic control.
	And the word epi is key here, because that prefix, epi, means above.
	So the word, and this is a new area of study.
	Above genetic control.
	That's exactly what it says.
	And what it represents is this.
	We used to think That genes were these autonomous units.
	You walk down the street and all of a sudden the gene will say, well, time for cancer or something.
	A gene gave you cancer.
	And we gave all this credit and power to genes.
	And here's a simple truth.
	A gene is a blueprint.
	It is exactly that.
	What it means is this.
	The body is made out of proteins.
	These are very complex molecules.
	That the complexity needs a blueprint to make them.
	The gene is a linear string, which is a blueprint.
	Uh, to make these proteins, and why that's important is this.
	Go to an architect's office, and he's working on a blueprint on his desk.
	Stand behind him and ask him, is that blueprint on or off?
	And he'll look at you, what do you mean it's on or off?
	Well, you talk about a gene being on or off, and the reality is, boy, have we made a big mistake.
	The fact is, as the contractor would tell you, The blueprint's not on or off, it's whether I read the blueprint or I don't read the blueprint that makes all the difference, and that's what medicine is now beginning to realize, is that genes don't turn on and off, it's whether the cell reads the genes or the cell doesn't read the gene, and all of a sudden then you have to back up and say, yeah, but then who's in charge of what the cell reads?
	Right, and the answer to that?
	The skin or membrane of the cell, which is, in a sense, In human embryology, our brain and our nervous system is derived from the skin as well.
	And the skin is the brain, and the answer is, of course, if you think about it, it's the interface between the organism and the environment.
	So one side of the skin is reading the outside world, the other side of the skin is reading the inside world, and by processing that information, the skin can adjust the biology to meet the needs I thought the skin, for example, was simply providing a signal to the brain, kind of like an input of information.
	Yeah, in embryology, those that are out there may have heard the word.
	In embryology, you start with a single egg, you fertilize it, it forms a ball of cells, and the next stage is called a gastrulation, which is a funny word, but it really means that the embryo, the cells, have stratified into three layers.
	An outer layer, a middle layer, and an inner layer.
	These layers are called, right in sequence, the outer layer ectoderm, the middle layer mesoderm, and the inner layer endoderm.
	Derm means germ layer.
	So, ecto means outer.
	So, the outer layer of the embryo, there's three layers.
	The outer layer is called ectoderm.
	Each one of these germ layers is responsible for providing very specific organs or tissues of the body.
	The ectoderm only provides for two things.
	The skin and the central nervous system.
	The central nervous system is formed from the back of the embryo.
	The skin of the back turns in and forms what is called a neural tube, and that becomes the spinal cord in the brain.
	And so what was the point?
	Well, the cell skin is the brain.
	The human skin, the derivative of the skin from the back, actually becomes the brain itself.
	And it says the same thing, and that's a very important point, is that When I tell students this, when I was teaching in medical school, they see themselves, we each see ourselves, we look in the mirror as this singular entity, a single person.
	I look in the mirror, I see Bruce right there, and I say, well that's one thing.
	And the reality is, that is a misinterpretation for this reason.
	If I would shrink you down to the size of a cell, You would see that you are actually made out of living units.
	The living things that make you are cells.
	You are a community of cells.
	In fact, maybe up to 50 trillion cells in that community.
	What's the point?
	It's like, well, you look at yourself as a singular thing, but in truth, you're harmonious when you're a healthy community.
	Of 50 trillion cells interacting together just like a metropolis.
	They exchange food and money and energy.
	So we're sort of a totality of brain.
	Yes.
	Okay, alright.
	Dr. Bruce Lipton is my guest from the high deserts.
	In the middle of the night.
	Lots to be learned this night about consciousness and the nature of what we really are.
	We tend to think of ourselves in such a separate way.
	Our skin, all the rest of us, and our brain.
	That's all separate.
	Right?
	wrong.
	I'm sorry.
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	My guest is Dr. Bruce Lipton, who essentially walked away from a tenured career at a major university.
	You just don't do that!
	After having an epiphany about the nature of us, he had been doing cloning on human cells.
	Oh, well, we need to ask about that as well, which we will in a moment.
	My wife during the break said, well then, if we really are all of that,
	when we get a really terrible sunburn, haven't we just...
	well, haven't we damaged our brains?
	Since Dr. Lipton was involved actually in cloning human stem cells,
	it's an irresistible question to take you back to that research doctor
	and ask you about the, I don't know, the advisability of the race we have going on right now with cloning
	and eventually, I suppose, with genetic tampering and changing
	and, oh, we seem on the precipice of this incredible revolution.
	Um...
	Do you think that we're wholly on a wise course here?
	Absolutely not.
	In fact, it's real interesting in this regard, because all of us have stem cells in us right now.
	And there's an interesting philosophical point, if you think about it.
	If we all have stem cells, why is it that the pharmaceutical industry, for example, has to identify how to make those stem cells work?
	Almost like a joke, like God gave us stem cells.
	Didn't give us a way to use them.
	The fact is, we have stem cells, and they are quite usable in our system.
	And yet, it's based on perception of the system, what those stem cells, what's going to become of them.
	It's just like I said, I start with stem cells, I put them in this environment, they form this, I put them in another environment, they form something completely different, and then you start to realize it's the environment that was controlling the development of those stem cells.
	And in our world, in our belief system, There's a tendency to believe that we are not like a renewing kind of organism, that we can't repair and replace ourselves.
	That's a belief.
	And yet, unfortunately, that perception gets in the way of the operation of the stem cells and prevents us from healing ourselves because we have a tendency to believe that we can't heal ourselves.
	But we can.
	Yes, we can.
	And amazing things happen.
	And then we call them miracles.
	And people try again.
	These are exceptions to the rule.
	And sort of like, look, Roger Bannister was the first guy to run the 4-minute mile.
	He was the exception to the rule.
	But once he did it, other people saw that they could be exceptions to the rule and changed.
	And many, many people were able to run a 4-minute mile after he did it once.
	That's true.
	Similar kind of thing here.
	we have to recognize that we have a bill would be that we have that have been
	essentially programmed out of pop
	uh... regarding her own ability to heal ourselves i mean that
	there were uh... specially look there were a million years of humans before
	they were doctors and they've managed themselves very well
	and the fact is we have bought into a perception that we are frail
	that we live in a world and everything is out there to get off
	Well, are you suggesting the science of stem cell research, eventually replacement, I guess, is a sort of a fraud?
	In other words, it's not the active ingredient in the cure?
	No, it's not so much a fraud, it's a misdirection because it's our belief system that has propagated us to think that these are just mechanical devices and you throw in the right chemical and this mechanical device is going to do a miracle for you.
	When in reality, if they come up with a chemical that controls those stem cells, guess what?
	It must match a chemical we already have in our body, because if God gave us the stem cells, it wasn't without the, you know, the key to use them.
	And so, the fact is, we actually have to recognize that it is our, within ourselves, this ability to heal ourselves, and it's been something that we've been programmed out of, and, you know, I mean, it's based on perception.
	Just think about it, that an infant is born with a doctor that goes to the doctor for checkups on its health all the time during its young period.
	Anytime it gets sick, the information is, well, if you're sick, I have to take you to the doctor.
	And if we get around to understanding this new understanding of epigenetics, how our perceptions control our biology, and you start to see a program that a child receives when it's young that says, when it's sick, it's not up to itself to heal itself.
	Then you have to take it to some specialist to heal it.
	And the reality is, then, that becomes a perception, and then that is then what controls the healing.
	And in fact, it's interesting how many people have that perception, and actually when they get sick, on the way to the doctor, they already start to get better, because once you engage the steps that you've put in the way of healing, then the healing process can begin again.
	Boy, are you right about that.
	Boy, are you ever right about that.
	What you just said, I had a pretty bad flu not too long ago, and it just went, you know, the temperature went on and on and on and on, and after so many days of having a very high temperature, I said to my wife, okay, that's it.
	We're going to the hospital.
	So we get in the car, and we've got about an hour drive from here in Pahrump, Nevada to Las Vegas to the hospital where I went, and I'm telling you right now, Doctor, By the time I got there, my temperature had fallen, I was feeling better for the first time in days and days and days, and this is only the one, you know, from that moment, that instant of decision to go ahead and go to the doctor, to the hour drive to get in there, it was almost like, why was I there?
	Absolutely.
	And we have these powers, and it's funny because we live in a world Where we've been taught that these powers don't exist, and since the biology, which that epiphany really led me to, is the nature that every cell, and technically every cell, is a programmable chip.
	And that the human body is an integration of 50 trillion chips, and that the programmer is not inside the cell.
	And this is the part that blew me away, because I realized Our identity isn't in the cell, it plays to the cell, and this became part of the epiphany of how that membrane works, and that was this night of transformation, where I realized, oh my god, all those years I was teaching these students about genetic control, and they're still getting the same message, and it is now, well, it's been 20 or more years since I caught on to it, but conventional science in the last 10 years has fully recognized it, and yet
	It's not coming out to the mainstream very quickly, because an interesting loophole is that when people know this, then they're in power of their own health, and there's a lot of interested or not interested in seeing that happen.
	And I'm sure the drug companies are not all that interested in seeing something like this break loose.
	Absolutely.
	They make money on selling pills.
	If you could heal yourself with energy, and you can't sell the energy, then they're not interested in promoting that.
	And it's an important understanding because I have to, you know, really stand here and say that medicine is getting a bad rap because it's not living up to whatever it's been promising.
	And there's a fact that is so, it irritates me so much because this fact is so important and not revealed, and that is that the leading cause of death in the United States today is the medical profession.
	And it's not, and it's a fact by numbers.
	I mean, I could give you Gary Null's website.
	He has an article, Death by Medicine, with all the statistics.
	And the fact is, the AMA said they were third in the leading cause of death themselves.
	So the medical profession admitted to being third leading cause of death, and they did it with estimates.
	And then what Gary Null did, he said, rather than the estimates, let me just get the real numbers, and let me know what the numbers say.
	And the numbers were staggering.
	780,000 people die from medical intervention, not because of the sickness they came with, but because of the consequence of the intervention.
	And then all of a sudden it's like, and now this is my point, if there's a soapbox, please, it's not the medical doctor's fault.
	It's not their fault at all, because it's the academic fault, and it's the pharmaceutical industry's fault.
	Nor, by the way, is it necessarily saying that physicians are unneeded.
	People still fall down, break bones.
	Oh, absolutely!
	I mean, listen, do... Physicians do this.
	There's nobody better in the entire world than... If you have trauma, the medical profession is the place to go.
	You want to fix something, cut it out, replace it, you know, tie it up.
	These guys do miracles, okay?
	But when you want to get down to the mechanisms of why something happened, why do we have a cancer?
	What causes Alzheimer's?
	How come diabetes is, you know, this big issue?
	Well, these aren't trauma.
	These are other things.
	And here's the problem.
	Medicine knows the body as a physical device, a mechanical device.
	And can treat it like a repair person says, Oh, you know, you got, I got to take out the exhaust pipe, put a new pipe in.
	You know, I have to put a new bypass around this carburetor and right here like this.
	That's easy to do.
	But when it comes to understanding the mechanics of how it works, they don't really have an understanding because they're still being taught the concept that genes control life.
	And let's, let's, let's straighten this out for the audience right now.
	Simple point.
	If genes control life, which is the belief, and the genes are in the nucleus of the cell, which is this large organelle inside a cell, and genes control life, then there's a simple fact.
	If you take the genes out and throw them away, there's no control left, and life should stop.
	And this process is called enucleation, and I actually did this with my clone cells, is I destroyed the DNA.
	It's not working at all.
	It's done.
	And what happens is the cells still go on and live and still make all the responses that they would.
	Well, that's fascinating.
	You destroyed the DNA in cells.
	Yes.
	Just to see what would happen.
	And you're suggesting nothing happened.
	Well, it didn't change their behavior.
	I can tell you exactly what happened at some point.
	And it's a funny thing about it, because we've been up to now saying that the genes control the cells, that the genes are the brain of the cell.
	In fact, many textbooks actually say that.
	And the fact is, if you take the brain out of an organism and throw it away, by definition, that organism is going to die.
	Yes.
	And we buy that, but it turns out the genes and the nucleus, it's not the brain, it's the gonad of the cell.
	It's reproduction.
	It doesn't have an idea in the world what needs to be turned on and off.
	The genes are not intelligent, and we've given them this intelligence.
	So, basically, it says, well, what happens when you take the genes out and throw it away?
	At some point the cell will die because it was using those genes, those blueprints, to replace the building blocks of the machinery of the cell.
	If I throw away the genes, there's a point where all of a sudden I'll need a protein to do a function and I won't have the blueprint available.
	And then at some point, that's when the cell will stop.
	All right, this is gonna seem a little off-track, or maybe it's not.
	There was this crazy story that I read a few years ago, I've got it in front of me right now, called Mike the Headless Chicken.
	Yes.
	Now, this chicken had its head cut off.
	Mm-hmm.
	Only trouble, it, I mean this is pretty horrible stuff, it didn't die.
	And the owner kept feeding it by pouring stuff down its headless
	neck I swear to God this is by pouring food down its headless neck
	yeah and in every other way this chicken went on to lead a normal as much as you can without a head normal
	life it's it's not possible only it actually happened all here the truth about yourself I'll
	tell you what we could take your digestive tract I cut it from your from
	your mouth out all the way down to stomach the gut all the way
	down to the rectum I take it out, if you put it on a table, stick a piece of food in one end, and it will digest the food and eliminate the waste at the other end.
	The controls are built into its own self, so that the process of putting food in will engage all the next steps, and that we now know that things like walking and standing A lot of that has to do with actual spinal cord information.
	Apparently so, which goes back to your, the brain is sort of everywhere contention, right?
	Every cell has a brain!
	That's the important thing, and that in your community of cells, that there's a distribution of the workload.
	I mean, that's what the nature of a community is, to share awareness.
	That's why the first three billion years of life on this planet There was 3 billion years of living things.
	You know what?
	They were all single cells.
	They were like yeast and bacteria and amoebas and paramecia and algae.
	So then, Doctor, in this headless chicken... Yes.
	Um, the spinal cord left intact and the rest of the chicken was enough for this chicken to function normally as a chicken without a head.
	As long as he put the food in there and the chicken didn't have to do any consideration about what it had to do, you know, the rest of it is a mechanical device.
	It's sort of like people that get put on life support systems, their brain's not working.
	The rest, as long as you feed it, the body will continue to run.
	There's an intelligence throughout the entire body.
	Every cell is intelligent.
	That was the nature of, like, the stem cell research.
	It's interesting.
	I would take stem cells from muscular dystrophy patients, put them in the tissue culture, and you know what?
	They grew better in the tissue culture than they did in the patient.
	And the reason was, they necessarily weren't having the problem.
	It was the environment inside the patient that was toxic.
	Wow!
	It's a whole new understanding and it's very, very important because it says, look, we are not victims of genes.
	We can rewrite which genes that we use on a day-by-day, minute-by-minute basis.
	It's a way of staying alive in a dynamic world is the ability to change which genes are being read at any time in order so your biology will meet the demands of that world.
	So, if you were diagnosed with I don't know.
	Alzheimer's, for example, how would you proceed with the understanding that you have, and that diagnosis in your hand, how would you proceed?
	The first thing I would try to find out is where's the cause of the problem.
	Alzheimer's, let's say, is actually the symptom of the problem.
	That's the consequence of something going wrong, not it itself is the problem.
	It is the consequence.
	Now the issue is where do things go wrong?
	You could have something physical go wrong, like trauma could cause a problem, you know?
	Blunt force trauma is certainly going to interfere with the nervous system and stuff like that.
	Yes, but that kind of thing aside... Yeah, the main thing that we now know is the concept called auto-suggestion.
	Meaning it's also psycho-neuro-immunology is another example of that.
	Meaning at some point we used to ascribe all the control to something within the cell, the genes, And now the control is being sent up the line, up to the interpretation of the nervous system, and so the genes are more or less obedient to the central nervous system, which makes sense for this reason.
	Every cell is intelligent.
	Every cell.
	I could take it out of your body, put them in a tissue culture dish, they'll grow, they'll be happy, they'll multiply, and all this kind of stuff.
	And every cell is independently looking at the world and responding to, you know, whatever it has to do to adjust its biology to stay alive.
	All right, but once again, here you are with Alzheimer's.
	I'm asking how you personally would proceed.
	Okay, and the thing is, I'd have to go back and find out what kind of belief system would I be involved with that would support this process.
	And I'll give you a couple examples, because even knowing people that personally, that were very dear to me, that ended up with this, I could see right away what one of the big issues.
	There are two main issues.
	Is that when people get cut off and their lives are sort of like they're getting older, they lose social contact.
	It has been demonstrated that this loss of social contact is one of the primary causes of senile dementia, including Alzheimer's.
	Basically, it says the brain is like any other tissue organ system in the body.
	The more you use it, the more it develops.
	The less you use it, it will automatically dismantle itself because the biology is efficient.
	It just says, if you use it, then I'm going to keep it here.
	And if you're not going to use it, then we're taking it apart because we're not maintaining it for a trophy, the body that is.
	So the body will adjust to its use.
	And they now find, as I said, and these are references that can be off my website, That people can get off the website about this, is that it now recognizes that the vast majority of senile dementia is due to lack of use of the brain.
	Otherwise, atrophy, right?
	Atrophy of the brain, because you lose your contact, you lose your community of people, and then you start to go internally more at that point, and then your skills start to dismantle themselves.
	That's one thing, and then there's a pathological thing that could also cause, and that is people who Are being leaned on by so many other people, like, you know, they're in demand to keep the show running, let's say.
	Yes.
	And the pressure is, like, so much that the only way out is to disconnect.
	And so that there would be a, how can a thought cause that?
	The answer is, let me alone.
	And this is really important because the thoughts that we have in our head are actually directives ...that are being sent to the cell.
	So, you might sit there at the stoplight and hear these thoughts running in your head like it's entertaining your head.
	Well, in one sense, they may be.
	In the other sense, you have to recognize that all those thoughts are being broadcast to 50 trillion cells.
	And these cells are who you are.
	This is the collective community.
	Their collective consciousness is our consciousness.
	And the reality is that we're living in this community and our central voice, meaning our central nervous system, is sort of like the government talking to the cell.
	And psychologists tell us 70% or more of those thoughts in your head while you're at that light are negative and redundant.
	All right.
	Doctor, hold it right there.
	So, what I'm interested in is, if you had such a diagnosis, what precise, real steps would you begin to take to reverse it?
	Or, would it begin to reverse the moment you decided you were going to reverse it?
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	My guest is Dr. Bruce Lipton.
	And we're talking about consciousness, and our brains, and what our brains really are, and what our cells really are.
	And I guess if you buy into it, you could probably cure just about anything.
	It's that honest to God buying into it that's going to be tough.
	Well, alright.
	Tomorrow night in the first hour, I've got breaking news for you.
	Tomorrow night, you don't want to miss this.
	I'm going to get it up on the web by hook or crook.
	It's a pretty big file, but there's a gentleman in Phoenix who is taped.
	Uh, very clear footage of the new Phoenix Lights, and these lights apparently have been seen quite frequently recently, but man, he nailed them in a good, clear video, and we're gonna get that up for you tomorrow night, as well as have him on the air in the first hour.
	To talk about it.
	And then Nick Cook and the hunt for zero point.
	I'm sure you recall Nick Cook.
	Right now, of course, Bruce Lipton and Dr. Bruce Lipton, I should say.
	And we're talking about, in a way, consciousness.
	The cellular consciousness, if you will.
	And I want to head off in a direction for a second, Doctor.
	There are some... Let me first ask you, how do you define, or would you attempt to define consciousness?
	What is consciousness?
	Well, it's an emergent property in the sense that every cell is sentient.
	It's very much observing its world.
	But when you put the 50 trillion together, there's an energy of an awareness among all 50 trillion cells.
	They're all like listening to the same station.
	And as a result, this energy of awareness is circulating through the system.
	There's more to it as well, though, because there's an identity factor that comes in that distinguishes each human from being a separate entity.
	And I mean that in the sense that if I try to take my cells and put it into you, your immune system is going to say, these aren't mine.
	And the question is, well, who's who and how do you know who's who's is?
	And the answer is, Is that on the surface of the cell, this membrane we talked about, there are a set of antennas.
	And these are receptors, and in fact, a community of them are called self-receptors, receivers of self.
	And the significance about that is that each of us has a unique identity as distinguished by these protein antennas.
	If I take my antennas off my cell, my cells are generic.
	If I, and I can implant them into any human, they won't be rejected.
	If I take my antennas off and put yours on myself, I would reject that cell if it was put back in my own body.
	You would accept that cell as yours.
	And so the point is, you can transfer the ownership by attaching, you know, your personal set of antennas on them.
	Well, the interesting part about that is that the signal isn't from the antennas.
	The antennas are downloading a signal.
	And so, this is the thing that freaked me out, because I didn't believe in spirituality until I realized that my identity is an environmental signal that comes through these antennas.
	If the antennas are on my cell, then the cell will respond to me.
	If I take the antennas off, then the cell is generic and will not have that same response.
	I put yours on, they respond to your signal.
	And when I realized it, it's sort of like a pin code.
	To get into the operation of the cell, that this is an outside identity, and when I realized that, I mean, the first moment was, oh my gosh, my identity is playing through this cell, and what really hit me at the first moment of this epiphany was, Yeah, but if the cell dies, did the identity die in the broadcast, so to speak?
	Boy, is that a big question.
	It's out there in the field.
	But this is where it plays in for people out there that will catch it, is that we now recognize that when people start to receive big grafts of organs and tissues from other people, like a heart and lungs, they also begin to acquire The character of those people.
	That's quite true.
	And people say, well, it's cellular memory, but I'll tell you, after working with cells for, you know, the last 40 years, the cells don't have that kind of memory processing where they can tell chicken McNuggets and beer from anything else.
	The reality is that the people who donated the organ, their identity is still playing through it.
	Apparently.
	Yes, and so, in a sense, I mean, Pearsall's book on change of heart was interesting because he talked about a whole number of these Even to the extent that a young girl or woman, I can't remember what age it was, received a heart from a younger girl that got shot and killed.
	And when she acquired this, she was later able to lead the police to the murderer.
	Yes.
	And all of a sudden you have to say, where's this information coming from?
	Yes.
	And this is what just shocked me, because I realized it's a broadcast.
	We're made in the image of the field, in a biblical sense, we're made in the image of this broadcast.
	And if I take your set of receptors and put it on a completely different, like an embryo, just coming into the world, you'd be playing back again.
	Alright, Doctor, has there ever been any measurement, I'm trying to think of how to ask you this, indicating that There's something emanating from us that can be measured, or is it occurring in a way that it's going to ultimately not be measurable until we have some sort of quantum receiver or something?
	What I'm getting at, I guess, here, let me lay it out for you.
	Have you been following the studies at Princeton?
	About the field effect?
	About the Human Consciousness Project, it's called.
	Oh yeah, absolutely.
	Are you good?
	You have been following that?
	Yeah.
	Alright, well, they have these graphs and they're watching these eggs all over the world.
	Geographically spread out eggs, meaning computers spitting out random numbers.
	Suddenly they get non-random and some giant event happens.
	I mean, 30 minutes before the Twin Towers are hit, kaboom!
	Four hours, in fact, goes off the charts, and it's happened with all these events.
	It's as though there's some sort of mass consciousness broadcast going on, and they've found, albeit perhaps at this stage a rather crude way, but a way to detect this.
	And this is an important part of our evolution that we haven't caught on to.
	We keep looking at ourselves as independent units, and we actually are cells in a larger organism called humanity.
	We are individual, collective units in that organism, and our lesson, of course, is that we think that there are nations that separate one person from another person.
	The reality is, the lessons, when we get them, recognize there is one living thing on this planet called humanity, and that is the equivalent of that central voice that I was talking about when cells come together in a community, They're controlled by the central voice, and the cells of humans on the community of humanity have the same thing.
	One of the interesting ones that I really like the most is a year after 9-1-1, exactly one year later, the anniversary, New York City, it's 2002, on September 11th, and of course everyone is thinking, I mean it's like one year, of course everything was Playing over this whole thing, this 9-1-1-1.
	That's right.
	And the lottery that night in New York, the winner was 9-1-1.
	That's a fact.
	That is a fact, and it's interesting because this isn't really a lot of coincidence.
	There's a part where we are involved with creating mass events through what we perceive.
	So, this sets up so many things to think about.
	So if somebody laid out some sort of event Let me suggest one, just pluck one from my current thought process, that for example an ocean current was beginning to slow, and if not even stop, and then cause a freezing of Europe and all kinds of terrible things to occur.
	If this became generally accepted knowledge that this was happening, Could it become, in that same way, a self-fulfilling prophecy, and that consciousness could have this... See, I did some experiments that just scared the holy you-know-what out of me.
	I actually got the audience to participate, in the millions, in trying to create some weather changes, Dr. Lipton, and by God, we did it.
	In areas where there wasn't supposed to be rain, not in the forecast, terrible drought, we made rain.
	And we did this, one way or another, about 10 or 11 times, and I finally got down to number 11.
	I said, you know, that's it.
	I don't know what I'm doing with this.
	It scares me a little.
	It's real.
	There's no doubt about it.
	But I've got to stop here, because I don't know what I'm doing.
	Well, this is the biggest issue about that truth that you really came across, and they're influencing our world.
	And the problem that we have is because we find ourselves as Being powerless as individuals, and not responsible even, and then starting to have these thoughts, and we can be manipulated to like a war.
	And the fact is, I mean, here's an example, is that a soccer game, now, people don't generally go there because of a fight, okay?
	And yet the reality is, when these things break out, people who are pacifists in the middle of these things will get caught up.
	And join in.
	And join in, and that is because we are in a field And we respond to the field as the cells in your body are in your own field and your thought patterns are changing their behavior and their responses at the moment you have them.
	And people are in the same parallel relationship in this larger thing called humanity.
	We have never really quite understood mob psychology, but there is a mob psychology.
	As you just pointed out, you get, whether you like it or not, no matter how level-headed you think you might be, if you're in the middle of it, you're going to get more than likely caught up in it.
	Well, we know that, you see, every brain ...is a tuning fork, and it's broadcasting magnetic fields like crazy.
	And these are read with a device called, um, what's it, the, uh, bioencephalograph.
	The M-E-G, not E-E-G.
	Magnetoencephalograph, excuse me.
	Magnetoencephalograph.
	And the significance about that is that as you are processing information in your head, you're actually broadcasting magnetic fields that are altered to your thinking processes.
	And that these are being broadcast all the time, but then here's what science recently did.
	They were saying, look, we're measuring these magnetic fields coming out.
	Yes.
	What if we put magnetic fields back in?
	Yes.
	And as soon as they did that, people started to get hallucinations and senses.
	I mean, it just was like it so profoundly changed their perception of reality.
	Isn't that the process that produced what's known as a near-death experience?
	Well, this has been part of it again, and part of it says that there's some way you can let go of the control that you actually are playing through these These antennas, you can pull out of it.
	You can be out of your body and your intention be in the field.
	Exactly.
	Or you can be in your body.
	Yes.
	And you can be in either one.
	So there's in or out of body.
	And yet, when you're in your body, there are a whole bunch of other parameters and things that you can experience that you cannot experience when you're out of body.
	So it becomes an interesting point.
	If we live both in and out, what are we doing in the body that's unique?
	And the answer is, Well, if I just said you were just a spiritual entity alone, which we are, and I said, if you were just a spirit and you didn't have a body, what does chocolate taste like?
	Or what does a sunset look like?
	Or what does love feel like?
	And you wouldn't really be able to have an answer because all those are sensations that are derived from our physical bodies that translate the environment and convert it into electromagnetic frequencies that our brain ...is reading, so that light comes in the eye, but electric vibrations come out of the optic nerve.
	Sound comes in the ear.
	Electric vibrations come out of the oral nerve.
	And any nerve that's sending information from the outside will convert whatever the information is on the outside to an electromagnetic vibration.
	So, in a real sense, we're sort of like Earthlanders.
	We get the chance to get into this body and sense a reality using our cells.
	As mechanical transducers to convert the world into things that we perceive now.
	Alright then, let me ask you, give you a scenario and ask you if this would work, alright?
	Let's say that I had, I became aware that I, through MRI or something, that I had some sort of tumor.
	Yes.
	Could I, over a period of time, go into a meditative state?
	And virtually will that tumor shrink and eventually disappear all together?
	Could I be successful?
	I mean, is that the practical application of everything we're talking about right now?
	Yes, people do this on a daily basis.
	And it's very important because we are told to don't look at that.
	That's not real, okay?
	And we keep getting shunted away from people who do these things because it's not in the interest to broadcast this kind of information.
	I said, the placebo effect is a fundamental reality of how you can heal yourself, and yet we don't ever try to leverage it.
	We don't even try to study it!
	Well, have you gotten down to specifics?
	I mean, could you actually give somebody instruction on how they should proceed if they wanted to follow this regimen of treatment and try and actually just simply cure them?
	There's a nice pathway to go on this, and it has to deal with the fact that we have two minds, the conscious mind and the subconscious mind, and we have to recognize the difference between the two, and recognize that the subconscious mind is essentially the entire brain, The conscious mind is coming, really, from the forebrain region, a smaller portion of it, that the subconscious mind is a million times more powerful in processing information than is the conscious mind, that the subconscious mind is a complete stimulus-response mechanism.
	It is a tape player.
	There's nobody in there.
	It is programmed, and especially the first six years of our lives, our brain activity is designed That we actually don't express alpha activity, which is consciousness, until about six years of age.
	That the first six years, our brain is predominantly in delta and theta, which is called the hypnagogic state, and it is during those first six years that we learn all the rules of fitting into human society, and in addition, During that hypnagogic state, we also identify characters about ourselves that we are told by the outside people, like our parents, and we then record that in the subconscious mind.
	And here's the problem with the subconscious mind.
	There's nobody in there.
	It's a push-button response.
	People say, oh my God, I got to push my buttons.
	Bruce, is this why, for example, I can have A really intractable, I work a lot with electronics, you know, an intractable problem.
	I just can't figure it out.
	I can work day and night and day and night to the point where I'm just ready to collapse in sleep and so angry that I can't figure it out.
	And so I go to sleep thinking about the problem and so many times, Doctor, I wake up the next morning and sometimes within 10 minutes of waking up, if not right away, I somehow have figured out during the night, during my sleep, what was wrong, and I go in and kaboom!
	I fixed what I couldn't fix otherwise in two days of conscious effort.
	Like you, all the other, these very brilliant people in this world, from Newton to Einstein down, have all said the same kind of thing, is that they let go of the thing, And they go out, and frequently it's an out-of-body issue, and at night, of course, this is an opportune time for doing that, that the information is out in the field, and that we can download it, but the conscious mind can interfere with that.
	And this is the interesting part, it's sort of like, the harder you try to do something, what is it, just, you have to stop for a second and say, I'm making an effort, I'm working hard to get this done.
	That's right.
	The question is, why are you working hard?
	Give me the premise.
	The premise is there somewhere is because the answer is not going to come easy, so I'm going to work hard.
	And guess what?
	Now it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
	Your belief underlying it is, if it was going to come easy, you wouldn't have been working hard in the first place.
	So your belief is, it's not going to come easy.
	And then you work harder, and the harder you work is, the less likely it's going to come until you realize, until you give up.
	And the moment you give up, then the information is available to come in.
	But when you are working hard at something, It's a reason for it, is there's an underlying belief that says it's not going to come easy.
	And so therefore, you perpetuate this by aggressively trying to get it to, you know, make the world work the way you want, and it's like, no, you're pushing it farther away.
	And when you let go, and especially when you can be out of body, you have all this information available to you.
	It's bringing it back in, that's the hard part.
	I certainly have experienced that, and I would imagine many, many, many, many people in this audience have also experienced that.
	I mean, it's just an absolute truth, but the trouble is, we've never known why it's true.
	Alright, hold on, we're at the bottom of the hour.
	Dr. Bruce Lipton.
	...is my guest.
	And he left a tenured position at a big university.
	Because he realized something all of a sudden about the very nature of ourselves.
	Who we are, what we are, what drives us.
	Not necessarily that curly little genetic thing.
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	Indeed so, and you know, once again, I would like to thank all of you who have made possible the astounding ratings that we've received.
	Ratings are in from the, you know, the major cities, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and they're astronomical.
	They really are astronomical, and that indicates that in a world of, I don't know, Politically infested talk radio.
	There's a hunger for information that goes beyond the usual.
	That's what we dispense here.
	And I think the fact that the ratings are so through the roof indicates that there is a great hunger out there for this kind of information.
	So thank you very much.
	Glad to be dispensing of it, with it.
	Hope it helps.
	And, you know, This is exactly centered around what I think people want to hear that they're not hearing anywhere else in the media.
	And again, it accounts for the interest.
	So there's a lot of interest in this.
	With reference to the subject we're talking about right now, it's going to be dependent on people just absolutely buying this as kind of an article of faith.
	Because that's what drives the engine that makes it work.
	And that's going to be kind of a difficult job because there's so much out there In the regular medical community fighting against it so hard.
	Hmm.
	It may be that the instinctual knowledge that people have, that some of the kind of information
	you're hearing this morning is genuine and real, sort of an instinctual knowledge, even
	though it seems far out and kind of off into the touchy-feely category, right?
	But people have this instinctual understanding that what they're hearing is the real McCoy, and I think that accounts for all the interest in it, Doctor.
	Well, I just want to give an opportunity to tell the audience that my website, BruceWhitman.com, has freely downloadable articles and references on everything we're talking about, because I didn't come into this because I was a wishful thinker and looking for spirituality.
	I had actually no handle on that at all, and wasn't even looking for it.
	It was the cells that revealed it, and so what we're talking about is a scientific understanding that we're evolving.
	And this is why, for example, as you said, your program is starting to pick up.
	Things are going to start picking up because we are indeed on a course of an evolutionary jump, which, interestingly enough, may even be, actually, by the time the Mayan calendar day 2012 arises, might actually manifest itself by then.
	So that there's a real change going on, and the world looks really freaky and scary, a lot of it, and it's interesting because it's sort of like a A transformational time for human civilization.
	We're leaving behind the victimhood, and that we're evolving another level of consciousness as a community, not as an individual, but our community will start to become more self-conscious, more mammalian in its character, while the current kind of civilization is more of a reptilian civilization.
	It's conscious, but not self-conscious, and that's what's happening.
	We've been conscious of what we're doing, but not self-conscious, meaning, and that's a character of mammals, is that what you do today, when you're self-conscious, you actually plan what you do today based on what influence it has tomorrow.
	Doctor, is there any way for you to impart an understanding to us?
	I understand that, for example, two cells separated by, it doesn't matter how far, one in Moscow and one in the US, two cells that have been together are shown to have this They react together in some way that would imply a communication at a level that we don't begin to understand.
	That goes through time and space and everything else and instantly.
	And they're entangled and they're also tuned into the same broadcast.
	And that's what happened.
	That's like Cleve Baxter's work.
	Really phenomenal stuff in that regard.
	That's right.
	And basically it says why the cells and the individual at distances respond to each other, because both the cell and that individual are using the same coded antennas, receiving essentially the same broadcast, and the broadcast is not localized.
	It's throughout the globe, so that wherever the cells are, they're going to instantaneously download what the other cells are are experiencing in their environment throughout the globe and maybe well beyond.
	Maybe anywhere.
	Maybe time and space is simply not a barrier to this communication, but it's so far beyond my understanding.
	It's interesting because there's a great analogy that to try to understand the relationship of a human on this planet and that energy that comes into it.
	The analogy is the Mariner.
	The Mariner, we send that to Mars because we can't go to Mars.
	And we want to know what Mars, the experience of Mars would be.
	So we set up a device, and it doesn't even look like a human.
	Right.
	But the reality is, it is completely set up with all kinds of human detection systems.
	Cameras to see what's going on.
	Temperature receptors to read the temperature.
	Taste receptors to read the composition of what's going on.
	All these things are ways that, like a human would experience.
	and that information is gathered by the mariner and sent back to an antenna to the guy at
	NASA.
	Now the guy at NASA is driving the vehicle, so he sends information to that vehicle via
	the antenna, and the information is downloaded, and then the experience of driving the guy
	at NASA catches on how to drive by actually driving the vehicle and getting the feedback
	coming back from the system when he does certain maneuvers.
	Okay, but I understand at what level and how that communication occurs, or at least the electromagnetic portion of it.
	I understand the physics of how that works.
	We don't begin to understand the physics of how The kind of cellular communication we were just talking about occurs.
	We don't even begin... We're beginning to do that now, because we're beginning to realize the conventional medicine has been looking at molecules in a Newtonian fashion, like they're lock and key, like two chemicals come together like puzzle pieces.
	Yes.
	And new physics is looking at the same molecules, the proteins that make up the body, and have recently, in the last few years, have totally been blown away by what they recognize as that The proteins respond to quantum mechanical fields, and that they're responding not to Newtonian fields at all.
	And why is this relevant?
	Because all of a sudden the interest about vibrations, harmonic resonance, constructive, destructive interference in the field is what's controlling the biology, and not the direct chemistry of a drug and a chemical interaction, for example.
	And it's hard, because conventional biology The people that are in that field, I was in that field, okay?
	And I could tell you, if I went around to ask physics questions to my colleagues in cell biology, I would get answers that were so weird because, basically, biologists, including myself, when we did our stuff, never trained in physics.
	That would be the, you know, you wouldn't jeopardize your grade point average to take a physics course to go to graduate school in biology.
	And this is part of my wake-up call when I started to realize How this mechanism of the cell membrane works is that it's actually an organic computer chip and that the keyboard, or these antennas, and the antennas resonate like tuning forks to the environmental signals.
	So as the cell is in the field, there's all these tuning forks on the cell that are picking up complementary signals and converting those into biological information and then operating the cell.
	So, all of a sudden, those things that become quantum mechanical weird, become biological weird, and action at a distance, and all these other kinds of things like that.
	Yeah, so to put all this into practical application, Doctor, I just, I mean, people instinctively, I think, understand there's really something here, but you're fighting, A well-established medical and scientific community that's going to say what you're talking about is just hogwash, and for what you're suggesting to work, people must believe it's true.
	Therefore, it must be proven conclusively, scientifically, and you've got some big barriers to overcome.
	Well, yeah, but we also are beginning to actually, those barriers are falling, and that's why I'd like the references on the website are very helpful.
	These are current things that are just, that are completely changing Our established view, we've been sort of like horses with blinders on, being led down a path of genetic control, when it turns out that the reality is very clear now that that whole thing was false, it didn't work that way.
	The Human Genome Project was a failure, a failure in one regard.
	It goes this way, that we believe genes control life.
	To have that belief be real, we needed an excess of 140,000 genes To make a human being, and that was the minimum number.
	And it turns out, the Human Genome Project reports that we only have 25,000 genes.
	We have the same number of genes as some of the most primitive organisms on this planet.
	And all of a sudden that emphasis is that your answers are going to be in the genes, and it turns out they're not there.
	And that's why this is an exciting time, because letting go of the genes is the opportunity and step to say, if it's not the genes, then what is it?
	And that's when we get into, it's the way a cell perceives the environment and responds to the signals, and once you start to do that, you say, well, you're made out of cells, and the answer is, yep, all of them are perceiving the environment, and the images that our brain sends, regard to those perceptions, are then what control the cell.
	So that, in fact, for example, we find out that 95% of cancer does not have a hereditary linkage.
	Meaning, it's not genetic running in families.
	95% of cancer people who get cancer by their response to the environment.
	And recently, even the American Cancer Society finally came out, the Cancer Society just came out like 10 days ago or something, they finally came out with a statement, it's an underestimate, you know, we'll say right now, but they came out with a whopping 60-some percent of cancer is totally avoidable by changing lifestyle and diet.
	Why is this important?
	Because we have been continuously groomed on the belief that we are victims of these genes.
	And then, that's a belief.
	And then we expect things to happen.
	And when we start to expect things to happen, we don't realize that an expectation is a command from the central voice organizing itself to select a program to meet the expectation.
	Self-fulfilling prophecies.
	That's exactly what it is.
	I wasn't a religious person, and you go back to all the great prophets that came through at that time, and almost every one of them, to a T, said, it's how you believe your life is!
	That's what it's all about!
	Well, there is value in that, but I mean, you don't have to be of a specific religious persuasion.
	It has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with belief!
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	And it's a belief about whether you think you're a victim, whether you think you have any power, and that becomes important because And then all of a sudden, because people would say this way, well, listen, Bruce, listen to what you said.
	You know, I have these positive thoughts, and I keep having these positive thoughts.
	These are my beliefs.
	And guess what?
	My life didn't change.
	And I'm going to say, yeah, I can understand why.
	Because your positive thoughts come from your conscious mind, which processes presumably something on the order of 40 bits of data per second.
	And that's your conscious mind.
	And the subconscious mind, in the same time, It is processing about 40 million bits of data, and the subconscious mind has all the programs in it, and here's the point.
	We didn't put most of those programs in without... I mean, we didn't have consciousness.
	Most of the programs were established before we were six years of age.
	We were in that mindset where the subconscious mind was downloading all the rules and requirements to fit into society so that a child Doesn't have to be coached by his parents, just have to observe how its parents behave.
	It is a download, and it becomes that way.
	Here's the problem.
	Now you're older, and your conscious mind says, you know, I really deserve to be healthy, and I really deserve to be prosperous.
	And how come I'm working so hard and it's not happening?
	And then there's a tendency to say, the world's not giving it to me.
	And the reality is, when we find out, Mostly, our subconscious has been programmed with a limiting belief, and they say, well, what kind of limiting belief is it?
	Go to a supermarket near rush hour.
	Watch the parents of a child who's acting up because the child wants something at that store.
	Let's say the kid's less than six, and he's going through a tantrum because, I want this!
	And the parents are yelling at him, you don't deserve that.
	What people haven't recognized is that child's less than six, that's a straight download into the subconscious.
	And that is a program.
	If it's repeated, the child will get the belief it doesn't deserve something, not in its conscious mind, in the subconscious mind.
	So here's the issue.
	Now the person's operating down the street, and they're operating at a 40 bits per second with positive thoughts that I deserve to be successful, and then 40 million bits of data down below in the subconscious are saying, the program says I don't deserve things.
	And guess what?
	While you're not seeing it, You will sabotage yourself because the body and the brain have to be coherent.
	If the brain says you don't deserve something, and you get something, that will cause conflict in the entire system.
	And the brain, well therefore the subconscious, will sabotage you.
	And then the issue with... You know, I didn't see that.
	If I give this one point, maybe it'll make things clear.
	When you first got your driver's permit, you got in that car, you were driving with a conscious mind.
	You know how hard it was, if you think back, of trying to keep everything in your mind at the same time?
	The gauges, the pedals, the mirrors, looking out the window.
	It was over.
	It was staggering.
	Once you learn how to drive, it's now in the subconscious mind, the program.
	You don't have to think about it.
	So today, you get in the car, you put the key in, and you're at the store.
	You haven't thought about one detail about exactly how to drive the car.
	It's automatic now.
	Okay, now here's the catch, and if you get this one, then it makes all the sense in the world what happened.
	It goes like this.
	Now that we know how to drive this well, we can get so involved with a discussion with somebody in the car that all of a sudden, if you're driving the car, you look out the window and you realize you actually haven't paid attention to the road for the last ten minutes.
	That's right.
	And here's the point.
	The conscious mind was engaged in a discussion about who was driving the car.
	The subconscious mind.
	Now here's the catch.
	If you could get it, this is the whole catch, that I say, okay, your conscious mind's in a discussion, the subconscious mind's driving the car, I ask you, did you observe how you drove the car during that ten minutes?
	And the answer is, no, you didn't.
	Your mind was engaged in discussion.
	That's right.
	And here's the point, that you had no idea the actual way you drove the car, because when your conscious mind's busy, the subconscious mind, by its definition, is running the show.
	But your conscious mind was busy, so it didn't see.
	And here's the point, that all the programs that are in our subconscious mind is now demonstrated as a clear point.
	Ninety-five percent of our daily activity comes from this unconscious mind.
	Meaning, 95% of your life is playing from this part of the mind that you don't observe when it's doing it.
	And, most importantly, the fundamental programs that you're operating from were actually programmed into your awareness before you were even conscious!
	And it's all you have to do is recognize where you're one of those kids that was like in that store, and you heard from your parents, you're just an average kid.
	You don't deserve things.
	You're stupid.
	You're not smart.
	You can't play music.
	You're not good at art.
	Why?
	If these were in the program, then the subconscious mind, with, you know, a million times more power, is going to play that program, even if the conscious mind's saying, I can do it!
	I can do it!
	Well, it's like shouting into the hurricane.
	It's like, no, the wind's blowing the other way here, because the subconscious mind's so much more powerful.
	That's why you talk about, well, then you have to use willpower.
	The answer is, Yeah, you're fighting yourself.
	And the issues are, and you brought up earlier, can you do something about it?
	And the answer is, at some point, yes.
	If you identify the programs that are limiting you in this subconscious mind, you can rewrite them.
	But here's the failure, and this is, people have got to hear, the failure is this.
	There's nobody in the subconscious mind trying to talk to yourself and say, oh, I don't like that behavior, and I don't want to do that again.
	Well, that's nice, but You didn't.
	There wasn't anybody there.
	The subconscious mind's a tape player.
	So, I might as well, like, give you a cassette tape, and then you put it in your player, and you push play, and then you realize you don't like that tape, and then, so what do you do?
	You yell at the tape.
	Come on, play something different.
	I'm tired of this.
	Play something different.
	The point is this.
	How much yelling at the cassette tape is going to cause the program to change?
	And the answer is, you can yell until you're blue in the face.
	That's right.
	And the idea is why?
	There's nobody there.
	You have to go through a process.
	And there are processes that you can now get into these subconscious behaviors that we can't see that operate most of the time and control our lives.
	And that's why our consciousness is looking out the other side thinking, why is life so hard?
	Is it that the universe doesn't want to give you something and we don't realize that we were sabotaging it?
	on her own because we don't see that tape when it plays it they all have to do it talk to some people that you know
	that they can't see that they're just like a parent and figure
	you're just like your mom and when you say that that some woman
	she will probably just shrinking cope are you kidding me and the reality is
	why i say cannot the mother's program which they got the first six years
	when it's playing they can't be up
	and of course not They're a frog in the slowly heating water, is what they are.
	And so that's why I say, so what's our issues with our lives?
	And most of the issues with our lives are the fact that that very sensitive period, which actually starts about midway through pregnancy and through the first six years of our lives, we are acquiring programs of how to deal with life.
	That are from other people and not from our own consciousness.
	All right.
	Hold it right there, Doctor.
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	Welcome to the University of the Knowledge of Night.
	Or would that be knowledge in the night?
	Dr. Bruce Lipton, this hour's my guest.
	And in a moment, we'll move over to you.
	In other words, we'll take calls.
	stay right there uh... the good doctors book is the biology of
	belief unleashing the power of consciousness and i suppose in that book you describe exactly how to
	unleash that powers that Well, we describe how it works and how you can get to it, and it's a book, it's a science book written for the lay audience, and if they go to the website, there's a place on there where they can get information on the book, they can actually read a chapter
	Because it's designed to take that leading-edge science and make it everyday kind of knowledge.
	I think that's very wise.
	A lot of authors are deciding to put their first chapters up on the web, and it's a very effective strategy.
	Well, it gives them a chance to see what they're getting into.
	I thought, like Stephen Hawking's Beyond Time, and got about halfway through and started to realize I'm reading the same chapter over and over and over again, and then put it on the shelf, only to find that almost everybody else that I know got the book.
	Ended up doing the same thing, and that is if you make the science that complex, it lost the value.
	So you can write it, and this is what the opportunity is to see.
	You can write about science and make it readable.
	All right.
	Your work would suggest neo-Darwinian theory does not fully reflect how life arose on the planet.
	Does this new biology support evolution or creationism in a way, or what?
	It does both of them at exactly the same time.
	It says that there was a field, and the field is what gives shape to the matter as much as A magnetic field gives shape to iron filings.
	You can sprinkle the iron filings throughout the field.
	They just form random things.
	But when you put a field, like a magnet, around it, and you sprinkle the filings, they can form to the field.
	So, the field was here, and yet, the cells, you couldn't take 50 cells and make a human.
	You actually had to, like, bootstrap it.
	You start building something smaller, and then, ultimately, organism appeared after organism as a hierarchy.
	There was an energetic form, in a sense, there before, and then there was a process of evolution to reach that form in the end.
	And it's a wonderful solution, because it says both are right!
	And that's really the way we have to go into the future, is to sort of mend these such disparate views that we have about the world, because they all have to make sense.
	And that's why it's interesting, as the book describes, if you understand these mechanisms, Allopathic medicine and the way we follow that, and complementary medicine with its emphasis on the energy systems of the body, and spiritual healing on the energy systems of the field, all make sense in this common biology.
	So I think we're really coming to a grand evolutionary jump, which is imminent and necessary.
	All right.
	I want to bring some listeners online.
	Let them ask questions.
	How would that be?
	I'm ready.
	All right.
	Let's see how they digested it.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Lipton.
	Hello, Dr. Lipton.
	This is an honor to be able to speak with you, and I need to ask you this question.
	I'm calling from Oregon, and my first seven years of childhood I have no memory of, and I'm back at the place of my birth now.
	And I am finding something very strange.
	First of all, I've been trying to find an explanation for this for years.
	I thought God was being kind to me because it was a very abusive, extremely bad childhood.
	My mother tried to poison me.
	I was placed in a foster home and such.
	And I know the power of the mind.
	In fact, I'm almost 50 and people marvel because I have no wrinkles.
	And I reject I figure I was robbed because I didn't have that childhood, so I reject my biological age, and I believe that's why I look so young.
	I agree with you, too.
	And I know that, you know, the scripture says, as a man thinketh so he is.
	Yes.
	But this is my problem.
	I have only been here for four years.
	I'm almost 50, and I go places.
	I'll tell you what happened one day, and this is what's made me almost fearful to go out of my house, and I really want to deal with this or move.
	Something has to give.
	I, uh, Brent asked me to take him to a house on Main Street here.
	I took him to the house, and I was sitting there in the vehicle waiting for him, and I looked over to my left, excuse me, to my right, and I noticed that the house next to me was the same backyard that, as a child, I used to go steal food from because we were abandoned and left and we were starving, and I was trying to feed my siblings and myself.
	It was a bright, beautiful, sunny day, I jumped out of my vehicle and I thought, oh, I want to check this out.
	And I get out and I go to the fence and I tell you, it was like a big, huge, black, horrible cloud came at me and I literally ran to my vehicle and started crying.
	And I don't know how to deal with this.
	All right.
	Something... In other words, she blocked out seven years, Doctor, of an extremely bad experience, it sounds like.
	And a lot of it wasn't even... She wasn't even conscious through most of it anyway, so a lot of the programs got in there even without any consciousness, and so it may seem like a blackout, and it wasn't even there in the first place.
	It's as though something pierced through and suddenly reminded her of something.
	It's an emulus response.
	It's the push button.
	It's the same kind of thing that some people out there in the audience will know.
	They get a certain smell.
	And all of a sudden that smell takes them right back to something earlier in their life.
	That's right.
	And the fact of this is that our experiences are like snapshots, but not just with eyes, but all the senses make a recording at that moment.
	The more intense the experience, the more intense even the smell, the sound, the other things that were not the main thing.
	But why is that important?
	Because it's sort of the body immediately says anything that is threatening of life.
	It will learn that, and every detail that happened at the same moment becomes part of that image.
	So, if any other time you come back and find those stimuli come back in the field, it will immediately replay that tape again.
	And so that apparently, this, whatever was horrible, that was so horrible that when these stimuli came into your field, immediately you had to shut it down because you did this when you were a child as well.
	And it was really important in that these are playback programs.
	These are the ones that, you know, when people say, somebody pushed my buttons, in this case, some place pushed your buttons.
	That's right.
	And immediately played that, and you've got to get back to that.
	And this is the critical point, as I said, that our general belief is like cognitive therapy.
	So you go all these years, you hear all the abusive events, replay them all over again every time you hear them.
	And now you've become consciously aware, and the issue is, did you change anything in the original subconscious program?
	The answer is no!
	And that is why it's not very successful until you go back in and change the program.
	A variety of ways to do that.
	Energy psychology is the new field of changing, because you're really changing your memories, and the memories are not in the system.
	The memories are in the field, so to speak.
	And so that energy psychology writes Okay, here's one for you.
	Doctor, here's one for you.
	I lived for 10 years on the island of Okinawa in the Far East, now Japan.
	And I remember the instant that I got off the airplane, touched ground at Kadena Air Base on Okinawa.
	I walked out of the plane and suddenly, of course, here I am on another continent halfway around the world.
	And, or an island in this case, and I walked off the airplane and a certain smell hit me.
	Not a negative smell, as people might be chuckling or something, but a very, like a whole different world smell.
	And I can still recall that just like yesterday.
	And when I recall that smell, I recall the years, the very pleasurable years.
	I loved my time in the Japanese culture, and that smell is the key for me.
	Mm-hmm.
	And these are because, as I said, every memory is really like a holographic snapshot that all your senses are recorded at that moment.
	Yes.
	Not just the visual ones.
	Yes.
	Every other one as well.
	Exactly.
	All right.
	International Line, you're on the air with Dr. Bruce Lipton.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Dr. Lipton.
	I am so glad that you're on the air tonight.
	I wanted to talk about... I had...
	I've worked through it now, but I had dissociative disorder, multiple personalities, because I was abused all of my childhood, horrible, horrific abuse, and I had been diagnosed with lupus in my early 20s, and as I started working through my memories and all, about five years in, Um, when I would go to the doctor, they would say, you don't have that anymore.
	And you don't get cured from lupus.
	You have a certain antibody that's measured in the blood and it was always there.
	And then it wasn't there anymore.
	And, and that's when I had learned that when I was, you know, maybe more one personality, it, it was there.
	And then as I started to integrate.
	Oh, that's incredible.
	Yeah, as I started to integrate my personalities, it was gone.
	In another personality, it was gone.
	Wow.
	It was gone.
	And I don't have it anymore.
	Exactly.
	Because now, now I'm more, um, I'm well, um, my personalities are integrated.
	I've worked, worked through, I've gone back and been in therapy and talked about the abuse, brought it all to the front of my mind, in my now conscious mind, which was It's an extremely, extremely difficult thing to do.
	But my thing now is, what you're talking about, I know in my conscious mind that I am a worthwhile person, that I can function in society, I can do this, but then I will go It must be my subconscious mind and I will go and sabotage
	myself because for all those years, my parents were telling me, you know, you need to be
	punished for this.
	You need to, you know, you were bad. You need to...
	And a lot of it had to do with money in the house.
	Well obviously, Doctor, the audience, including this young lady, certainly has been listening intensely to what you've been saying.
	She had lupus in one personality.
	That changed and it was no longer there.
	How common is this?
	Because it certainly centrally supports everything you've been saying.
	It's so common it's hard to explain because it's connected to psycho-neuro-immunology.
	Immunology is the mechanism from which the lupus is derived.
	And in fact, by definition, it's called an autoimmune disease, which means, by definition, self-destructive.
	And so that whatever personality you were in at that personality, that was the one that whatever you were programmed with at that point took away value from your life so that you take away yourself.
	And in that process, you're devaluing, like if you heard you weren't worth anything, okay?
	If this was the kind of talk that was in the program, then that is the subconscious program.
	95% of your daily events come from this program, and that will repeatedly cause you to try to devalue yourself, and that's where, essentially, autoimmune diseases come from.
	Alright, let's talk about AIDS for a moment.
	How would this relate to those afflicted with the And it becomes very important about your belief system about this in regard to, if you buy into the guilt trip and you were programmed with the guilt trip, then you find yourself being self-destructive because you see that your character or style of life is in complete competition with all the programming that you get, that this is so out of being normal.
	Then you have, obviously, now you have this internal conflict where your subconscious mind is observing and saying, my God, this isn't normal.
	This isn't even worth being here at some level.
	Now, why is this different?
	Because other people can get the AIDS virus and make the antibodies and never express the AIDS.
	It's true.
	And they have a whole different mentality about who they are and how they fit.
	AIDS is the big one.
	I'll give you a simpler one because it's more common to people.
	That's like fever blisters.
	Fever blisters are due to a herpes virus.
	It's a lifelong thing.
	You got it, it's there your whole life.
	And interestingly enough, sometimes the person gets it and has it for once.
	And then sometimes people get it, and then every month or two it comes back out again.
	They got the same virus, what was causing it to come out?
	And the answer is stress.
	The herpes virus will not express itself when you're not under stress.
	When you're under stress, then the virus will manifest itself.
	It's very similar to the same thing with AIDS.
	If you're not under that stress, You can have this virus, and it's not going to really destroy you.
	But if you are living under the stress, then this conforms to what's called opportunistic organisms.
	Every one of us is infected right now.
	You could take a blood sample from everybody, and everyone's going to have bacteria and viruses in their own blood, and they're going to say, but Bruce, I don't feel sick, and there's nothing wrong with me, and yet I'm infected.
	And the answer is, all of us are infected, but when we're in a state of Good mental health, the immune system is encouraged to work.
	When we're in stress, the stress hormones shut off the immune system.
	And it's not to sabotage you, but usually the stress is not from within, it's from without.
	And so the body, to conserve energy to deal with the stress from an outside threat, will shut off things in the body to conserve that energy to mobilize it for the threat.
	Well, the immune system is an internal system.
	So, if you find stress in the world, outside, the adrenal hormones, which are the marker of that stress, as they elevate, actually shut off the immune system.
	Medical doctors, for years, used that.
	When patients received a foreign graft or organ, and they didn't want the individual to reject the graft, they gave them stress hormones.
	And the reason is, it reduced the function of that immune system.
	So, all of us are infected.
	When we're in a good state of mind, we're healthy, and you get stress, As soon as you get stressed and you start to remove the coverage of the immune system, these opportunistic organisms will start to take over, such as the herpes virus.
	When you're in a good place, no herpes, no fever blister.
	The moment you get stressed, fever blister.
	I can hear a lot of people going, yup, that's right.
	Alright, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Lipton.
	Hello.
	Hello, glad to speak with you.
	I'm glad to hear you.
	Yeah, Art, I have a question for you.
	With all the mind consciousness experiments in which I participated in, if the doctor had his choice to do an experiment with all of his expertise, what would he choose to do an experiment in using your program touching tens of millions of people to maybe get a verification All right, just as a mental exercise, we can do that, sure.
	All right, Doctor, we have seemingly concluded that the power of many minds Is indeed a greater power.
	I don't know whether you agree with that or not, but the concentration of millions of minds on some manifestation is greater than that of a single mind with respect to world events or the environment or however you would apply it.
	And the question was, if you could have your choice to have millions of minds attempt to do something, what would you try?
	Well, my attempt, of course, is to really see that we're going someplace.
	As a civilization, we're in a very important state of flux right now, and we could get there easier, except that there's a lot of resistance from the people in the establishment, because it really means an undoing of the power structure and a redistribution of the power back to the individuals, us, in this process, and that we're going to go through this evolution.
	Do we need to struggle and fight?
	The answer is no.
	Can we become more conscious?
	That's really what the destination is all about.
	So your wish for the concentration of millions of minds would be?
	To open up consciousness so that people will realize that they are creating their world and as a result there's a responsibility to make that creation in such a way as to provide for the survival of the planet and ourselves.
	Owning responsibility because we are that powerful, as you've demonstrated, by collecting that power.
	So you simply want it understood.
	Your wish would be for it to be understood universally.
	Absolutely, because the evolution is just an evolution of awareness.
	And that's basically what it is.
	When we stop long enough one day to recognize, I am not a victim.
	I am powerful.
	I just have to stop buying the victim mentality And separate myself from the images.
	I mean, for example, one of the important ways that I find of surviving and doing very well on this planet is not to participate in everybody else's view of the horror that it is.
	It's not horrible.
	Except that if you get enough people to believe it is, then that manifestation is real.
	I'm looking for this evolution.
	It's going to happen.
	It could happen easier, but I have a feeling we're going to have to hurt a little bit in the process of learning it.
	You're right.
	All right.
	Hold on, Doctor.
	Dr. Bruce Lipton is my guest as we cruise through the night, hopefully with some new understanding this morning.
	I can feel that a lot of this hit you right between the eyes this morning, didn't it?
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	Aside from just loving ABBA, there's never going to be another ABBA in the world.
	I play this every now and then just to validate Phil Henry's parodies of me.
	Here's a good one from Dino in Leawood, Kansas, who says, Does the doctor think, because we're so conditioned to
	think we're going to die at a certain age, that it causes it to happen?
	Doctor?
	This is very, very much right on exactly what it's all about.
	And even our own collective belief that we live to be 90 as a ripe age is actually turning out to be A great misunderstanding that we probably could live to be easily 140 years or more with our understanding of the new biology, which is important because it says that actually one of the things that's causing us to age the most is our food.
	That we're eating ourselves to death.
	They found that all long-lived organisms that appear to be mutants, they wanted to find out what genes were controlling their, what gave them long life.
	Every long-lived organism actually was a defective mutant.
	It interfered with their digestion.
	And they thought, well, what if you just reduce the food?
	And then all of a sudden they found that they started to put these lab animals on, like, minimum, absolute minimum, like, starvation diet level.
	Yes.
	Doubled their lifespan.
	Because the byproducts of the food, apparently, especially the free radicals, We're very destructive of the nervous system, and that is one of the primary reasons why we go that way.
	And then, of course, the secondary reason is when you expect to go, because it's a conditioned belief that becomes, remember all these tuning forks, that you're talking about how does that thought manifest itself when a large number of people get together, is because if you get all the tuning forks to be coherent and start playing the same beat, in a sense, That the number of people that get involved actually cause things to become materialized.
	Doctor, wasn't it the Native Americans who had a, and I think there's some Eskimos as well, who had a custom that basically when they were going to die, they either went off into the wood as a Native American and just sat for a few hours and then died or launched themselves on an iceberg out into the middle of nowhere and promptly died.
	In other words, Yeah, and it was easy for them as well, because they never had a doubt that there was this other side of this life, this transitional phase.
	They never had any doubt about the reality of their continued existence in this environmental field.
	When we have that, when we have doubt about that, then the last thing you really want to do is die, because then you think, well, that's the end.
	And these people, they had no fear of that, and their lives were completely different in that regard.
	And look, people who lose loved ones die almost like that themselves.
	Many people that lose a loved one will die within a very short time, because nothing was wrong with them.
	It was just that they just felt that the continuation of life at that point wasn't worth it.
	And so their brain promptly cooperated?
	Yes.
	And, yeah, I get it.
	And the cells were, you know, the cells were obedient.
	Right.
	I've got it.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air with Dr. Lipton.
	Good morning.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	Yes, hello.
	Yeah, hi.
	How are you today?
	Just fine, sir.
	Hey, thanks very much.
	I appreciate the conversation.
	There's so much that can be talked about in this fascinating field.
	So thank you, Dr. Lipton, for being on the air.
	Well, thanks for listening.
	That's even better.
	Aaron, I've been sitting here thinking what to ask.
	I'm curious about how our behavior is affected by, like, electromagnetic fields right around the body.
	In reading and listening to people talk about, you know, chakras that have a tangible effect either within a Newtonian plane or some quantum plane.
	So I'm curious, like, the concept of a spiraling energy, let's say a spiraling energy out of the top of the head.
	From your framework, You know, how does that affect our behaviors or our beliefs?
	And then how would, you know, is it plausible then if we can change with our intent or, say, passing up our hand through the top of our head to change that energy field dynamic and consequently affect our beliefs or behaviors?
	Yeah, this has been a historic perspective.
	People have always known about their ability to control their behaviors with their beliefs that it was an energy field.
	That is also known that, from a scientific level, that we also know that external energy fields do influence biology.
	That's where I wanted to go with this.
	There's research for a hundred years about electromagnetic fields and pulsing fields, turning cells on and off, their DNA synthesis, RNA protein synthesis, their differentiation, their cell divisions, their behaviors, neural growth, On and on and on.
	Again, a lot of these references are all on my website.
	And why is it relevant is because all these are published in mainstream scientific journals about energy fields influencing the fate of cells.
	All right, Doctor, then what about the effect of brutish electromagnetic fields?
	You know, broadcasting, cellular towers, high-frequency radio, that sort of thing.
	What about brutish fields like that?
	How do they affect us?
	I found this is that people are affected by fields based on the amount of stress they're experiencing in their life, meaning that as you get more stressed, your own protective field starts to weaken and outside influences are greater so that two people could be in the same field, one of them being affected by the field and the other one completely, you know, unaffected, blocked by it.
	And it's the same thing as walking across coals.
	It's exactly the same thing, the hot coals, and that is If you keep your beliefs strong, you surround yourself with this field that will prevent the heat from burning you.
	But if you start walking across and then, you know, a moment, question that belief.
	The moment you question it, the field's gone.
	Ouch.
	And then the other thing about people in general health, yes.
	You know, there are people who say, oh my God, a cold's coming around.
	You know, I could get this cold, because now they're open to that belief.
	And yet, equally, there are a number of people out there who see the flu's coming around and say, I will not get this.
	I don't have time for this, and I'm not going to get it.
	And guess what?
	They don't get it.
	They don't.
	And the same thing applies to doctors.
	The fact is, how many doctors come down with the things that their patients have?
	The answer is very, very few.
	And then you say, well, I've always wondered about that.
	Are they different?
	You know, are they biologically different answers?
	No, there's a mindset that says, I'm the doctor.
	I can't have a sign of my door closed on account of illness.
	I mean, it doesn't make sense.
	And so their own belief system Puts this field up, and what's this field?
	Well, it's an energy field, and what is it?
	It's like a membrane itself.
	It lets things in that you need in, and blocks the things that would be detrimental to you.
	But when you get stressed, and this is where the science, where experiments reveal that, yeah, those fields are out there, and they're harmful to some, but not as so harmful to others, and the difference was, it wasn't the field then, it was more or less the status of the individual at that point, because then their receptivity of the field.
	So it becomes important, and also, another thing about power.
	The higher the power, there's always this tendency, well, if a little power doesn't, you know, change the cells, what if you crank up the power so you can see how fields affect cells?
	And it's interesting, it's inverse.
	The higher the power in the field, the less the cells pay attention to it.
	It's out of their physiological range.
	They look at that signal, say, this is not even relevant to biology.
	Gotcha.
	And so they don't pay attention to it.
	It's the subtle one.
	Because they're in the range of that communication level.
	So then you start talking about cell phones and that subtle power that's coming in, not the big high tension lines over your head.
	I'm so glad to hear that.
	Yeah.
	For a number of reasons.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dr. Bruce Lipton.
	Good morning.
	Hi, Dr. Lipton.
	Art, hi.
	Hi.
	I was abused emotionally and sexually as a child.
	Up until now, it's my birthday, I'm 24, I've dealt with a whole slew of things, self-mutilation, drug abuse, suicide attempts, and now I have fibromyalgia, and something called vulvodynia, which is basically pain in the vulvular area, and my question is, how do I deprogram my subconsciousness to stop beating myself up just constantly or stop hating myself.
	Yeah, she's right on the money.
	Okay, and that's exactly the issues that we're talking about.
	These beliefs in your subconscious and everything you talked about was a response to a threat on your life as well as a devaluation you felt for your own life.
	Yeah.
	So every one of those, the manifestation which says the original program that you got during this abuse is running Yeah, that's clear, Doctor.
	How does she stop it?
	Well, there's a way of doing it.
	It's through energy psychology.
	There's a link on my website to a process called Psych K. That's one of the number of them.
	So, basically, what it is is a process where you identify the belief.
	You don't have to go back and experience it.
	You just have to say, what is keeping me from going forward?
	And then you check your system to see, does it offer you a belief that you can get out of this or not?
	You have to find what's your belief.
	We already know where yours is at this point.
	It's still at this other level, this destructive belief.
	So then, in the energy psychology process, like part of like the psyches, you get into a brain balance state, which is a physical posture, it's part of brain gym, NLP stuff.
	When you get into that, you get a balance of your right and left hemispheres.
	And because on our day-to-day lives, we're either in our right or our left.
	It sort of goes back and forth during the day.
	But I'm not clear on this, how this is achieved.
	Is it a process of, are you talking about a process of meditation of some kind?
	No, no.
	It can occur in about a five-minute process.
	A five-minute process?
	Yes.
	You identify the belief you want to change.
	You get into the whole brain position, which encourages both hemispheres to be synchronized.
	That opens up what is called an opportunity like super learning.
	That is what the characteristic of super learning.
	You get both hemispheres operating at the same time, and then you put in a positive statement while you're in the super learning state.
	And you can actually hear noise in your head, because your entire experiential database is, like, conflicting, saying, this statement you're making, it doesn't conform to what we say.
	And at some point within a few minutes of repeating the statement while in A whole brain posture super learning state.
	You actually rewrite these files and they're eliminated because there's a point where you can actually feel the statement you're putting in has zero resistance.
	It's a physiological feeling.
	You can feel it.
	And at that moment what you've done in a super learning state is take thousands of files of experience And rewrite the perception.
	And so you've rewritten your own program?
	You've rewritten your program, and it's not doing it through talking to the subconscious.
	It has nothing to do with that.
	In a sense, you first have to get into the brain-balanced state.
	That's like pushing a record button.
	When we learn experiences, those early ones especially, we are in a brain-balanced state.
	So every experience has both a logical component and an emotional component.
	If you then get older, and after you get out of that childhood age, you don't really stay in a brain-balanced state.
	You're either on the emotional side or the logic side.
	Well, here's the point.
	Try to adjust.
	If you're on the logic side of your brain, and you're trying to change a program, you haven't dealt with the emotional side of it, because that's not operating now.
	And vice versa, if you're on the emotional side, then the logical things, what happened, don't make sense.
	And the issue is, brain balance opens up a window, Which leads to a status that's similar to super learning, and you actually can download a belief that will rewrite a database, and it usually takes about five minutes for each particular belief statement that you need to correct about the value of your life and who you really are, the divinity within you, which has been beaten out of you in that sense.
	That's amazing.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Lipton.
	Hi.
	Good morning, guys.
	I want to wish you both health and happiness.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Thanks.
	Dr. Bruce, you mentioned three words earlier, quantum mechanical field.
	Yes.
	And it's funny because that introduces a trinity into science that, you know, quantum physics is the physical, mechanical, technological, and field is basically the variable.
	Yes.
	Now, science is starting to be seen as the new basic religion, which is a trinity unto
	itself, being biological, chemistry, and philosophy.
	But it does break down into two things, being biological versus technological, the same
	way that the ultimate holy trilogy comes down to the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, blah,
	blah, blah, but it comes down to right and wrong.
	Okay, I didn't mean to go there, but as far as nanotechnology goes, it's going to be
	kind of a catch point to admit Who do you see winning out?
	Because you need nanotechnology to go ahead and get in there and influence cells, yet at the same time, can the cells overcome any nanotechnology that might be, what, tapped into?
	Or hacked into?
	What's the nanotechnology part that you're referring to that's required?
	As far as diseases, as far as what has been propagated on this show even, especially through George's show, for nanotechnology, from what they can do for diseases or the cells themselves, does consciousness win out, or does technology win out?
	The significance, the way I would look at it, is that consciousness does, because the genetic system is highly adaptive, and it also does improvisation.
	In other words, the genetic system isn't controlling us, but the organism is adjusting its genes to conform and survive in its environment.
	So you can start by giving bacteria penicillin and you kill most of them.
	Guess what?
	Some of them in there start to read that penicillin, change their genetic structure, and as a result create a protein that is displayed on the surface of the cell like an antibody that blocks the penicillin.
	And then the intelligence goes one step further, and it says after it can block this penicillin, it can grab it and block it, it learns how to take the same molecule and break the penicillin.
	So after a short time, those bacteria that are first resistant... That's right.
	...then learn to eat it!
	And all this says what?
	It's like, well, the technology, you can put something in the field, but guess what?
	Over a period of time, the intelligence of the system can control its environment and change its genetics to create what it needs to adapt and survive in an environment and that's essentially
	how we got here and the belief that it was Darwinian that this was
	accident in recent science which is the stuff like described in the book the
	recent sciences know their actual mechanisms that cells have to generate
	variation in their genes when they find stress because the only way out is to
	change the system Well, that's really rushing the process of evolution right along, isn't it?
	And that's why there have been mass extinctions, and in the briefest of time in regard to evolution, all new species came out!
	And where'd they come from?
	If it didn't come from Darwinian theory, it would have taken extra millions of years for them to show up.
	They show up in hundreds of thousands of years, not millions of years.
	It said, no, organisms are these devices, they're cells, that they are adaptable, they get into an environment, they read that environment, they adjust their biology to manifest a complement to that environment, and then of course is, you know, it's the part where they read the environment when you translate that to humans, and so do we read the environment, but then we also get teachers, and so that we buy these interpretations of the environment that we never even experienced, and we buy them from others, and then they become real as if We created them ourselves.
	All right.
	Your book, The Biology of Belief, when is everybody going to be able to get it?
	It's available all the time.
	It's on Amazon.
	All right.
	What about this first chapter?
	When are you going to put that up?
	That's on the website right now.
	Oh, you already got it there?
	You can go on the website.
	There's the belief book.
	It says book site information.
	Click on that and you'll get all the details of the book.
	And for those on this show that buy the book, actually, when they click on the website, BruceLipton.com, There's also a free gift if you buy a book from this show.
	You'll get a chapter from a wonderful book called Healing Yourself, Healing the Planet, an important insight into the fact that we are indeed on an evolutionary track right now that is going to cause something to happen in the next few years.
	And those people that are aware, with consciousness, We're going to be able to get through this, and those people that are not acting with consciousness, they're going to be lost, and it's just going to be like a very strange world coming up.
	It's kind of strange every day now, actually.
	Boy, you're not kidding.
	Yeah, and we are on a destination.
	we are in fact leaving behind a reptilian society and acquiring a mammalian society.
	And that is the difference is a reptilian society is run by dinosaurs, big corporations,
	with little awareness, and they think with a reptilian consciousness, like, yikes, reptilian
	people. They're there not in reptile form, they're there in consciousness, meaning that
	doing things today without ever thinking about what this means to our planet tomorrow.
	All right, and on that note, we've got to go.
	We're out of time.
	Oh, I'm so sorry.
	It's been an absolute pleasure.
	What a classic show you've done.
	Doctor, thank you.
	Thank you so much, Art.
	Good night, my friend.
	All right, there he is, Dr. Bruce Lipton.
	That was quite a program, perhaps a classic.
	That's it for tonight.
	We'll see you tomorrow night as, believe me, a classic weekend continues.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Good night.
	Midnight in the desert, shooting stars across the sky This magical journey will take us on a ride
	Filled with a longing, searching for the truth Will we make it till tomorrow?
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