Dr. Ronald Klatz and Art Bell examine the Marburg virus outbreak, now with a near 100% fatality rate and potential aerosolization, questioning WHO’s $3.5M response amid lost H2N2 flu samples sent to labs worldwide. They debate biodiesel’s rise as a cleaner fuel, cutting CO₂ emissions by 78.9%, while linking global health policies to suspicious deaths of microbiologists and Codex’s push to reclassify supplements like zinc as prescription drugs—costing $56 vs. $4 elsewhere. Klatz warns of weaponized pathogens but dismisses U.S. Marburg risks, emphasizing immunity and escape over unproven "booster shots." The episode blends bio-warfare fears with tech advancements, hinting at systemic control motives behind both health and energy shifts. [Automatically generated summary]
Welcome to this program that covers all the world's time zones.
Every so well, suppose I am.
I am its host throughout the weekend.
My name is Mark Bell.
And before we get to this evening's first guest, and we do have one in the first hour, all about biodiesel.
And if you've been to the gas punt lately, this will be a big duh for everybody.
We've got to have it, and we've got to have it right away, actually, in my opinion.
At any rate, we'll get to that in a moment.
Just a couple of things.
One, my webcam photo this night.
No, that is not a new kitten in our household.
Although, Ramona and myself have talked about the possibility of having a kitten, of getting a kitten, and we'd really love to have one.
But we have four cats.
One, two, three, four cats.
And, you know, the cat box already is jumbo size.
So we just really, but boy, when you look at this little face now, it's a picture of a cat who, well, of course, it's kitten, and its entire life is wrapped up in this ball of twine.
You know how cats are with balls of twine, right?
And obviously, it has been playing with this ball of twine for a long, long time.
So long that like most kittens do, they just fall asleep in place.
This little guy.
You can tell he was in love, just in love, and he just decided he couldn't do it anymore.
He was tired, and he went to sleep on the ball of twine.
It's quite a photograph.
That's on the webcam.
Now, it's much more serious.
I have any number of emails from people who watch the Princeton Eggs.
The Princeton eggs are actually just individual computers generating random numbers and then reporting back to the mother hen at Princeton University in something called the Human Consciousness Project.
And going back now with a long, honorable track record, these eggs seem to register human consciousness before, this is a key word, before the actual event occurs.
Now, the track record is so far better than any psychic that I know.
There's something about when something big is about to happen, these eggs go berserk.
You see, when these random number generators begin to generate non-random numbers, they start to become non-random.
Then the alarms go off.
Quite literally, the alarms go off.
You can see all of these worlds' so-called eggs on a graph with a kind of a heartbeat sound in the background.
And then when things start to go berserk, or maybe that's an inaccurate usage of it is of that word.
They don't go berserk.
They seem to go berserk from a pictorial graphic point of view, but in fact, they're becoming non-random.
And that's a reason for worry.
Looking back the number of years a project has been in place, its hit rate is well just cannot be argued.
At any rate.
If you want to know more about the Princeton eggs, and it's one hell of a subject, go to Google and put in black box and then Princeton.
Black Box and then Princeton.
And it will take you to an article that will explain all about the experiments being done at Princeton.
And the reason I did all this setup is I have a whole bunch of emails.
I'll read you a couple.
Hey, Art, as of 2130, 16 April 05, the eggs at the Global Consciousness Project are extremely active.
Dings nearly every beat, multiple dings, gongs every two to three beats.
Or this from John.
Hey, Art, we're in for some deep doo-doo.
I've been monitoring the Global Consciousness Project for about two years now, and the beeps and gongs are absolutely off the hook today.
So, I don't know.
Keep your heads low out there.
In a moment, Joe Job is the executive director for the National Biodiesel Board.
The NBB is the national trade association representing biodiesel industry as the coordinating body for biodiesel research and development here in the U.S. Its members include feedstock producers, processors, soybean commodity boards, biodiesel suppliers, and fuel marketers and distributors.
Joe has been with the NBB since 1997, has served as the executive director since 1999, January of that year.
Joe's duties included serving as the principal investigator for the $2.2 million biodiesel health effects testing program.
Joe became interested in agricultural, environmental, and energy issues growing up on a farm in central Missouri.
Prior to working for the NBB, Joe was a fraud investigator for the Missouri Attorney General's Office.
So if there was any fraud involved in the whole biodiesel thing, you just know Joe would sniff it out in a moment.
we've got a lots of questions for joe as you might imagine
This last week, Ramona and myself went down to the Phoenix area in the RV, you know, a big old 37-foot diesel-pusher RV that I've got.
Most of the time, we drive a little geometro around, but we took the RV.
And let me tell you, baby, I don't have to tell you, right?
You drive.
You know, the prices of fuel are becoming scary.
Scary individually and scary as a nation because it will affect everything.
Everything you own, everything you use is all transported to you by big trucks with big diesel engines.
And so this is a big topic, really big topic.
Gasoline, the cost of gasoline, what we can do.
Here's Joe Job.
Joe, welcome to the program.
unidentified
Thank you, Art.
Pleasure to be here.
I'm very, very honored to be invited on your show.
There's a lot of things that we all want to know about diesel.
I had Willie Nelson on the program about three weeks ago.
And Willie said he's got a series of fueling stations for diesel.
And he said the following, that there's no problem with diesel.
He said you can take it.
Any trucker on the road right now, God knows there are millions of them, many of them listening to me, can make their next fill-up biodiesel, something made out of soybeans essentially, and they can put it right in the truck with no conversion, no problem, no mess, no fuss.
Just go fill up and use it like you used your regular diesel.
Is that right?
unidentified
That is true.
I guess the first thing it's important to understand is what is biodiesel?
Now it's not the same thing as just the crude vegetable oil that you would go and buy the bottle of lesson off the grocery store shelf.
Right.
But you take that product and it can actually be any natural vegetable oil or animal fat.
Animal fats, any triglyceride source, natural oil, vegetable oil or animal fat.
Corn oil, sunflower oil, canola.
We use primarily soybeans in this country because that's our primary oilseed crop.
In Europe, the primary oilseed crop is rapeseed oil, which is the same as we know of as canola oil in this country.
But you take the vegetable oil and you react it with an alcohol to remove the glycerin, and the glycerin is sold as a byproduct for cosmetics and pharmaceuticals and other industrial chemicals.
And the remaining compound is called an alkyl ester.
That's a chemical name for biodiesel.
It acts very chemically similar to diesel fuel in a diesel engine, except that it is 10 times less toxic than table salt.
In other words, the cost to produce it, energy and so forth.
unidentified
Yep, all of the energy costs, all of the fertilizers and all of those things to grow the soybeans and to harvest them and to process the vegetable oil and turn it into biodiesel and use it, all of those things.
The Department of Energy did that analysis, and what they determined was that there is an 80% reduction in carbon dioxide compared to regular diesel fuel.
We talked about the environment, the air, and the atmosphere and all the rest, but what about human health?
We've all been behind diesel engines that are kind of dirty, and they smell awful.
unidentified
Yes.
If they've been behind a school bus, you know, all those school children are up in there, and the school bus is just billowing black smoke, and you can't hardly drive behind it.
And then it surpassed regular gas, and damn if its price isn't headed toward the more expensive gas.
So what's up with that?
unidentified
Yeah, it is a very strange thing that I can't explain other than it does flip-flop.
Most people believe that it's always been cheaper, but it does flip-flop because diesel is somewhat of a seasonal fuel.
In the summer, more people are traveling, they're using more gasoline, people are taking vacations, they're getting out on the roads, or going to Yellowstone Park, whatever.
In the wintertime, they're gearing up for Christmas, which is a very large chunk of our commercial distribution, gearing up for Christmas.
All of those diesel vehicles are out there firing up.
They're using a lot of diesel fuel.
Plus, at the same time, they're using a lot of diesel fuel as heating oil, particularly in the northeast.
All right, look, again, I've got this RV that's a diesel pusher, and I can tell you there's no difference between diesel and gasoline in terms of the way a vehicle performs, period, except the diesel gets better mileage than the gas engine.
unidentified
Right.
And it's unique to America because Europe, for example, about, well, it's different country by country, but on average, more than half of the cars on the road are diesel.
All true, but now we've got the Mercedes diesel, right?
unidentified
Exactly.
But that failed introduction, people just, you know, the word was out, and it still lingers today that you don't want anything to do with a diesel car because it's just bad.
All of our truckers drive diesel, or almost the high 90 percent aisle, drive 100 percent.
100 percent.
Okay, there you go.
They all drive diesel trucks.
So that's what moves our goods across America.
How's it get better than that?
unidentified
Yeah, well, that's true.
But the passenger cars right now, well, before this year, if you wanted to buy an American-made diesel vehicle, you had to buy a three-quarter ton pickup, which is what I drove for the last five years, is a 350 pickup with a power-stroke 7.3-liter engine.
Just absolutely loved it.
But they do have, Mercedes has been offering diesel cars since the, well, since the late 60s, but in a very high-performance vehicle since the 80s.
I have one now, an 87 Mercedes-Benz little four-cylinder, and gets 37 miles to the gallon.
As you know, I'm a night owl, and as a good friend of mine says, that evil, God-forsaken sunshine.
You have to be a night person to understand that point of view, but he's a pretty funny guy.
Jim is his name.
And he works, loves the same shift that I love, and that's the all-night shift.
I heard him talking one night about he has to get asleep before the sun actually starts to come up, before that first little evil sliver of sun slips through the slats and defiles his room.
Remember, everybody, we're not talking about some future science fiction dream.
We're talking about right now.
You go to a station that has biodiesel, you can fill up your truck and use it just as you would have used the regular diesel.
Every bit as good, 80% less harmful to the environment, much less harmful to human beings, smells a whole lot better, and there's simply no reason not to do it.
Or is there, Joe?
In other words, forget the four-wheelers for a minute.
The big trucks are all using diesel by the millions and millions of gallons, so the market is ready now.
unidentified
The biggest reason not to use it, Art, is it costs more.
Yeah, it's really tough to say, but I'll take a swing at it.
Well, okay.
There are a couple of state incentives that are going on.
This summer, for example, the state of Minnesota has passed legislation that by this summer, 2% of all the diesel fuels sold in the state of Minnesota will be biodiesel.
So it won't be any more expensive in Minnesota.
In Illinois, truckers are using it because they are giving a state sales tax exemption on biodiesel blends.
So blends over B10 are actually selling cheaper than diesel fuel.
But in the middle of the year, you said more expensive.
How much more expensive by the gallon?
unidentified
Most of the time, biodiesel is going to be a little bit more probably, gosh, it ranges so much, but I'll say B20 might cost anywhere from less expensive to, you know, let's say 10 to 15 cents per gallon more expensive.
The other thing is, Joe, and the reason I'm so anxious, and I know the reason Willie Nelson is so anxious, you know, he's been a friend of the farmer for a long time, Joe, the American farmer.
And the American farmer is on kind of hard times.
But on the other side of the coin, the American farmer is the most efficient farmer, probably, or one of the most efficient in the world.
We have a wonderful farming industry.
And a fuel like this that comes from the ground would be one hell of a boost for America's farmers, right?
unidentified
America's farmers, absolutely, definitely.
But America's food consumers and Americans in general, because it's going to help the economy.
When you crush a soybean, you get 80% protein meal and 20% oil.
The protein meal is used for food and feed, and the oil is used for cooking oil and salad dressings.
Well, there's been three economic studies done in the last two years, independent studies that have been done.
All of them conclude a couple of very important things.
One of the very interesting conclusions is that the increased utilization of soybean oil for biodiesel will allow the meal portion of the oil to have to absorb less of the value, while the oil portion of the soybean is absorbing more of the value.
So what happens is the meal will actually be sold as food and feed.
The meal will actually be cheaper to domestic livestock producers and as food and feed in international protein markets, while the oil is then used for biodiesel and it increases the manufacturing sector and decreases imported petroleum, which is our single largest component of our national trade debt.
But if we made a very large switch toward biodiesel or blends, whatever, is our agricultural situation ready to handle that much production?
unidentified
Yes.
Well, it depends on how much production you mean, but the agricultural sector is responding to the market right now because we are in a vast era of growth.
Last year, Congress passed and the President signed a biodiesel tax credit, first ever tax credit for biodiesel that is similar to the ethanol tax credit.
And that has gone into place.
And our manufacturers, there's about 20 biodiesel manufacturing plants nationwide.
They are spitting out as much fuel as they can produce right now.
There are more plants going into place.
There are two 30 million gallon a year plants going in in Minnesota alone, and there's about 20 going in nationwide.
The market is responding to that.
Agriculture is responding to that.
And agriculture will and can and does have agricultural shifts and an agricultural response.
And if we continue to use more and more biodiesel, agricultural responses can take on the result of shifting to more higher oilseed crops, for example.
Joe, I wonder what it'll do for the, for example, the soy market.
I wonder if the soy market will go berserk, realizing there's a sudden call for lots of soy production.
Is soy suddenly going to be a much more valuable commodity, meaning a better life for the farmers?
I'm really interested in that.
unidentified
It will.
And soybeans are already facing, and the soybean market and soybean farmers are already facing a lot of threats because Brazil is going, they have almost unlimited potential to put more and more and more acres into soybeans competing with U.S. soybean markets.
And they are imports, soybean imports, both the oil, the meal, the whole beans, and the processing are all increasing from Brazil and South America, but primarily Brazil, but all of South America.
And there are other threats in the edible oils market that are threatening the value of U.S. soybeans and U.S. soybean farmers.
And biodiesel is offering a tremendous opportunity to hedge those threats.
You know, some of this discussions about trans fatty acids and some of those other things, biodiesel is offering an opportunity to hedge those threats to U.S. soybean farmers.
How much does the cost, the current cost of biodiesel have to do with its limited production?
In other words, if production were to crank up on the national level to the area where I think we all would hope it would, wouldn't that also bring the price, tend to bring the price down?
unidentified
Yes, it absolutely would.
What we are moving to, what we are likely to move to in the coming years, beginning next year, diesel fuel, on-road diesel fuel, and all your listeners out there that are truckers already know about this because truckers are, I have, in my experience, truckers are very well informed and they know their business.
Your trucker audience out there knows that beginning next year, there's going to be a 97% reduction in sulfur in diesel fuel, in on-road diesel fuel.
And that's going to create tremendous opportunity for biodiesel because the refinery process to remove that sulfur also removes the lubricating characteristic of the fuel because a diesel engine, diesel fuel injection system relies on the fuel to keep its rotors and seals and gaskets and pumps all properly lubricated.
Because that removal of sulfur also removes lubricity, most of the diesel fuel is going to have to have a lubricity additive added back to it.
Biodiesel is highly effective as a lubricity additive.
1% biodiesel can improve lubricity by as much as 65%.
So it is very likely that what will happen is as we move forward into the implementation of ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel, biodiesel offers an opportunity to blend at the 157 refineries that we have right here in the United States, put it in at 2 to 5% blend levels, move it throughout the pipeline system, the distribution system.
It's completely seamless, and we have the opportunity to, in the very near term, to immediately displace up to 5% of our imported petroleum for diesel fuel use.
There's really no other alternative fuel that is positioned that well to do that.
You were a fraud investigator for the Missouri Attorney General's Office.
So you look at the I'm sure your mind still tends to look for the holes, for the catches, for the fraud's a strong word, but I mean, if there's something wrong with an idea like biodiesel, it seems to me you would have sniffed it out and found it by now.
unidentified
Yes, one would hope that I would have.
And, you know, really, the magic about biodiesel is it works.
You know, there are strengths and weaknesses to everything.
It comes down to economics.
As it becomes more and more economical, and customers have to use it.
People have to use it.
But People get excited about it when they first learn about it because they think, this is so great.
Why have I heard about it before?
The truth of the matter is that Rudolph Diesel, Dr. Christian Rudolph Carl Diesel, who invented the diesel engine, and he exhibited his first diesel engine in 1900 at the World's Fair in Paris.
Mr. Diesel himself, which, you know, I know, Art, you are never one to turn down a mysterious story, but Dr. Diesel was found floating in the English Channel.
You don't think that was as threatening then as it would be now?
Sure, it was threatening.
The oil companies probably, well, then, of course, we thought the oil would keep coming from the ground forever.
In fact, you know what?
There are people today who think that the oil wells, the oil, this is the truth, Joe, that the oil that we pumped out of the ground is being magically replaced by Mother Nature.
Have you heard that story?
unidentified
I have heard that theory.
And it's pretty ridiculous.
Everyone knows, everyone that has seriously looked at this, the National Geological Survey, the Department of Energy, and all of the world's, the preponderance of the evidence is clearly mineral oil, fossil fuel, is a finite resource.
We know that we're going to run out of it.
But what is not known, what there is not general agreement on, is when.
Estimates are anywhere from 40 years out to we could be declining and reach peak oil production in the very near term.
Meaning the second half of the oil, still a lot left, is going to be a lot harder and more expensive to get out of the ground, hence the prices keep going up.
unidentified
Right.
And so there is an agreement on when peak oil will get here, but there is agreement that it's going to get here.
Peak oil production will get here.
And even if it's 40 years out, you know, my children are going to be faced with what to do.
And so it's a question of whether we want a hard landing, whether we want a soft landing.
And we darn well better start doing something now in order to figure out how we're going to transition.
Because energy is, you know, it is right up there with agriculture, the food that we eat.
Agriculture is so very important.
If you don't have food, you don't have much else.
Energy is just like that because if you don't have energy, well, then you don't have food and you don't have an economy and you don't have anything else.
And the environment.
So biodiesel is something that impacts all three of those.
Energy, environment, agriculture.
It impacts them all in a positive way, which is the reason that I'm so proud to be able to work on something like this.
Kind of a clear, cool, high desert kind of night with the stars blazing out there, completely clear.
Just ideal.
What is not so ideal may be coming up.
Of course, he's probably the world's leading authority in the new clinical science of anti-aging medicine.
And so normally he's a very, very optimistic guy, doctor actually, for over a decade now.
Dr. Klatz has been integral in the pioneering exploration of new therapies for the treatment and prevention of age-related degenerative disease.
He is the physician, founder, and president of the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicines, Inc.
Dr. Klatz is highly regarded by scientific and academic colleagues for his continuing medical education lectures on the demographics of aging and the impact of biomedical technologies on longevity.
A consultant for the biotechnology industry and a respected advisor to several members of the U.S. Congress and others on Capitol Hill, Dr. Klatz devotes much of his time to research and to the development of advanced biosciences for the benefit of humanity.
So there's the outline of a very optimistic guy.
And normally when he's on the program, he is very optimistic and very excited about the ability of science, the increasing ability to keep us alive for longer and longer and perhaps ultimately even indefinite amounts of time.
But he may not sound quite as optimistic tonight because we're going to discuss kind of a different thing with Dr. Klatz, although I'm sure we'll certainly touch on anti-aging.
the news on maulberg is not good maulberg is a a disease terrible actually Some are very concerned that it may be or may be about to become airborne, which would be a nightmare of the first, most dire degree.
Coming up in a moment, Dr. Ronald Platt.
Stay right where you are.
Perhaps I'm easily frightened.
I don't know.
But last week, I read to all of you, and there have been many stories since, a couple of stories about Marborough, which has broken out now in Africa in a very terrible way.
Two stories.
The second story concerned the possibility that it may become airborne or perhaps already has become airborne.
And they were saying that healthcare workers who were using precautions, you know, standard precautions, were coming down with this killer disease.
And killer is an understatement indeed.
The mortality rate of this particular strain of Marburg appears to be up around 92 to 100 percent.
I mean, you get it.
It kills you.
That's all there is to it.
But let us begin at the beginning.
Dr. Klance, welcome to the program.
Good evening, Art.
Ebola, Doctor, Americans have heard about Ebola and now Marburg.
They're similar.
Can you describe, for example, the Marburg virus, what we know about it, what it is, and what it does?
But, you know, people do know about Ebola, I think, because it's gotten so much attention because Ebola is such a killer disease, Ebola being 90% fatal.
Well, Marlburg seems to be doing a better job than Ebola now.
And that's kind of strange because in the past, Marburg outbreaks were about 30% fatal.
I'm not really in that particular specialty of infectious disease.
But from all intents and purposes, if you can spread this by droplet infection, which is a sneeze will do it, it'll kill you as quick as somebody giving you a deep kiss.
So these stories we've been getting of the, you know, the doctors and the nurses who have been using the normal precautionary taking the normal precautions around Marlborg victims, they've been getting sick.
These viruses get into the bloodstream and they cause a consumption of the coagulating factors in the blood, the platelets, the things that keep you from bleeding to death.
And in fact, you do bleed to death.
The organs start to bleed within themselves, and people will actually bleed through the eyes, the rectum, through their skin.
does anybody yet doctor know what the vector is in other words this this evil and now marburg this is more dangerous marburg seemed Like, where is it hiding?
Well, they know that it can be carried or it can be transmitted through green monkeys.
Now, green monkeys are kind of interesting because green monkeys are one of the favorite research animals used by virologists and other infectious disease researchers in Africa.
But they don't know what other vectors are involved.
Well, as sorry as I am for those in Africa, and I'm sure most Americans would join me in this, I read this horrid little novel recently, which actually was, I'm afraid, quite good.
And it was a scenario in which, in this case, there was a horrible outbreak of something not even as bad as Marburg in China.
And a couple of al-Qaeda terrorists went in and got blood samples, and they went away to a secret little location and started culturing this crap and set it loose.
Well, that would seem like a valid worry with respect to Marburg.
I mean, for example, if somebody got a Marburg sample of the current Marburg in Africa and let it loose in Chicago.
Well, it would seem to be a very Good candidate for a biological weapon, as you suggest.
Now, maybe someone is playing around with it.
As a matter of fact, chances are very good that many someones are playing around with these sort of things.
And certainly it's been suggested in some circles that many of these infections that we're seeing now, including West Nile virus and even AIDS, was in one way or another due to some either research or weapon research or biological experiments that got out of hand.
Now, again, I just want to make it real clear for your listeners that my background is in biotechnology and biomedical research, and I am not a specialist in infectious disease.
I'm happy to have this conversation, but I don't want to mislead anyone to say that I'm giving you any deep inside information.
I know as much as other physicians know who read medical websites and who are plugged into CDC and the World Health Organization, other groups like that.
I just picked this story up tonight off MSNBC.com.
Headline.
Two shipments of deadly flu missing.
WHO says.
Let's see.
I haven't even read this myself.
Health experts have destroyed two-thirds of the specimens of a killer influenza virus sent as part of a routine test kit around the world.
But we're still trying to trace two shipments that were supposed to go to Mexico and Lebanon.
In other words, they're lost.
The World Health Organization has been urging thousands of labs in 18 countries which receive vials of the nearly 50-year-old H2N2 virus to please destroy the samples amid fears of a global pandemic should the virus be released.
Now, this rises to the top of the I Can't Believe It scale, the whole thing.
And one has to wonder if it's really an oops or if there is something a little bit more malignant behind it.
First of all, why would the World Health Organization, through laboratories in the United States, by the way, this all came out of the U.S., why they would send to 4,000 different laboratories a virus sample.
Originally, these virus samples were supposed to be used for calibrating viral laboratories around the world to test them to see if they had adequate proficiency in detecting one virus or another.
But supposedly, not only did they send this previously killer virus out, but it was mislabeled as something else entirely.
And it was only by accident that it was discovered at all.
If it wasn't for a laboratory in Canada in British Columbia that had contaminated the lab with some material, including this material, it never would have been found out.
It was total serendipity that this was even discovered.
Well, we still don't know what the long-term sequelia of this thing is.
I mean, because certainly, and it's not just two labs that have not returned the samples or have lost their samples.
There's still a third of those 4,000 labs that have not checked in yet.
So who knows how many samples it could be.
But if it was not discovered and people did not take adequate precautions with this material, it's very possible that it could have escaped the laboratory, created a new outbreak of influenza that would not have been recognized initially and could have been quite, you know, could have spread quite wide and quite far.
This is the Asian flu that back in 1950, right?
1957.
1957, the Asian flu was responsible for 1 to 4 million deaths worldwide.
Dr. Ronald Klatz is my guest, and we're discussing once again the little thing.
The little thing that can get you.
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I can't fathom it.
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And it's a disease that virtually causes you to disintegrate, gets rid of the clotting factor in your blood, and then disintegrates your organs, and you bleed to death.
Everywhere it's horrible.
And it appears to be a new strain in Africa, a particularly deadly strain.
You see, there's a lot of things that are very troubling, and I guess that's why I was depressed when we talked the other day, which I was depressed anyway, is there's a lot of strange stuff going on in the world, Art.
And if you're looking, you know, if you're a futurist like I am, and I know you are, you know, if you're looking to the future and you're looking to a bright future and you believe, as I do, that things get better generally all the time and that technology just makes things better all the time,
whether it be your TV set or your internet connection or your healthcare, and that we're looking, all of us, at least all of us baby boomers, are looking to life expectancies 100 years of age and beyond, this kind of bad news with regard to global warfare,
with regard to biological warfare, with regard to infectious diseases that are springing up like mushrooms after a summer's rain, kind of make you scratch your head and go, what is going on here?
In one case, a bullet could ruin your entire life extension program.
One is nature, and that because the world is so populated now, and we have so much adjacency to animals, I don't know, I'm reaching here, but one possibility is nature is generating these increasingly horrid little viruses, and the other possibility, of course, is that man is taking them into the lab, sequencing them, and figuring out how to make them even more horrible, and then testing them.
And if anybody really knows what is going on out there, I would really appreciate it if they'd give me a call.
I promise to keep it all very confidential.
But, you know, I'm not sleeping well at nights these days because I just don't know.
And the world is getting to be a very strange place because straightforward things that you would think, you know, should be done with regard to limiting pollution, with regard to energy, with regard to global peace, they just don't seem to be happening.
And if you read, if you go beyond the media, which, as you and I both know, is highly, highly, highly controlled, and you read the news sources on the Internet,
the overseas news sources, the alternative news sources, if you read the journals, if you speak with people in the field, people are afraid out there, and they're afraid for good reason because there's strange things afoot.
And again, I don't have that keen inside track, but I'd sleep better at night if I knew what was really going on because things just don't add up.
If there was a deliberate spread of Marburg in Chicago, or for that matter, any major U.S. city, you know, with a very dense central population, as our cities have, and it was intentionally spread in places like subways, and I don't know.
You can just imagine how horrible it really could be.
For example, here's a question.
How long, you might not know the answer to this.
How long might Marburg virus last on a surface typically?
Since we apparently this Marburg can be caught through aerosolized device, if a little airplane flew over Chicago and sprayed Marburg, what are the likely results?
If this material can be spread by droplet, and I believe the chances are good that it can, if it was to be spread, if it was to be spread efficiently through aerosolization from a crop dusting plane or some kind of spraying device, you could potentially uh...
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if you were going to test and newer deadlier version of marburg with a very very high The good news is that many of these biologicals are inactivated by sunlight.
So if it was sprayed during the day and it was any reasonable exposure to high-intensity sunlight, that would tend to deactivate the virus.
My question was that if you wanted to test a new, even deadlier form of Marburg, which this certainly is, with the ability to spread through the air, as we now are learning this can, wouldn't you go right back to Africa, where horrible as it would be, the world would say, oh, yeah, another outbreak in Africa.
Well, that is a very sad fact, is that the world doesn't really, you know, the world expects horrors to occur in Africa because they're happening all the time, whether they be civil wars or disease outbreaks or famine or, you know, God only knows what other miseries.
And Africa is probably a testbed, certainly a testbed For infectious disease.
Well, right now, there's certainly nothing posted by the World Health Organization or the CDC with regard to treatment protocols.
So right now, there is nothing besides supportive care, and that's not so great.
I mean, again, 90% probability of death is not a good scenario.
Now, they're talking about the potential of using some newer antiviral agents, and they're talking about the potential of using heparin to inhibit the virus eating up all the clotting factors.
I mean, the budget for biological warfare research is, you know, is what?
It's in the billions?
Who knows?
But, you know, I think that the online reports were saying that the World Health Organization was seeking $3.5 million to help control the outbreak of this illness.
So it's like billions for war and pennies for peace.
Yes, I wonder if we've recognized the threat of a potential terrorist getting hold of a sample of this to the degree that if something like this breaks out this deadly, that we've got the whole area surrounded with troops and not allowing that kind of person in, right?
Well, I don't think there is any containment going on right now.
I haven't read about any plans for containment or for screening people coming back from Africa.
I mean, I don't think that, you know, to be fair, though, I mean, this is, you know, not to incite panic.
This is, again, this is a problem that's in its very early stages.
This is not a pandemic.
This is not a disease that has spread beyond the local environs of a couple of countries in Africa.
Not that it can't, not that it couldn't spread very quickly.
But so far there's no indication of that.
And again, because it kills so quickly, and this is not good news, but the not-so-bad news is that these types of viruses, these types of infections tend not to become pandemics.
They tend to burn themselves out very quickly.
That's why you haven't seen large groups of people dying from Ebola or from other rapidly.
Normally, a virus, if I understand the way nature works, if it's too deadly, as you point out, then it's like a little brush fire and it burns itself out because people get to die very quickly, too quickly.
They don't get a chance to spread.
So the virus usually adapts by becoming perhaps a little less deadly so that it can be spread more efficiently.
But in this case, we've got two things that I don't understand.
One, this is obviously far more deadly than anything we've seen before with Marburg by a gigantic percentage.
So it's going in the wrong direction.
And number two, it would seem to have not only become more deadly, but also now be possibly spread, you know, through, as you pointed out, the air, which is such a horrible thing to even contemplate.
Well, you know, all the bad news within, you know, when I was in medical school, you know, AIDS was the big news because, you know, you've heard of a new disease maybe once every decade.
You know, West Nile virus was first identified in 1937, dengue in 1950, Marlburg in 1967.
You know, these diseases didn't come up, you know, like every, like today.
And it makes you wonder why it even came out in the news at all.
Well, because the news is so heavily controlled, why did this thing even come out in the news?
Why is it being played the way it is?
And the news sources say that when they tried to talk to the people at the lab that released this material, they were on vacation, unavailable for comment.
Well, where can you go on vacation that doesn't have a telephone?
It just gets curiouser and curiouser and curiouser.
And like so many things that are out there today, it just makes you scratch your head and wonder.
And, you know, I don't know about you, Art, but I kind of feel like it's the best of all worlds and, you know, the best of times and the worst of times, if I can paraphrase, you know, if I can paraphrase that.
But, you know, we live in a time, and again, I'm a futurist.
I'm involved in biotechnology.
I'm involved looking to the future of technology.
And it's bright.
I mean, we're on the cusp of cures for cancer, Alzheimer's disease, heart disease, diabetes.
So, you know, with those things in mind, and I don't see how you can not have them in mind, shouldn't there be United Nations forces surrounding this area, preventing people from getting in?
Well, if people who can write novels think about these things and talk hosts can think about these things, I imagine these inventive terrorists have thought of it long ago.
So we may face something like this in the very near future.
It's all very troubling because it's, you know, here I'm reading a report from China View Newswire, and they're talking about six additional cases found in Kwanzaa Soul, Zaire, Luanda, Menage, Kwanzaa, and Cambinda.
And not to, you know, and I don't want people to stay up and have nightmares about Marlburg coming to the United States anytime soon.
I don't think that there's good reason to expect that.
Not yet, anyway.
But you're absolutely right.
This is a very troublesome issue.
And SARS is 75% fatal.
Bird flu is 50% fatal.
And the head of the World Health Organization is talking about if a bird flu pandemic was to strike and the bird flu was to that they're fighting right now in Vietnam and in parts of Asia was to find its way around the globe, it could lead to perhaps a billion deaths.
And here's another thing, Doctor, that I don't get.
I've read story after story after story after story where scientists are virtually, and doctors are predicting, predicting that it's going to become airborne.
I mean, it's almost like they're anticipating it's going to become airborne and telling us it's going to happen.
And if I remember anything well and distinctly, doctor, it was that they had gigantic mosquitoes and that even the best little huts designed for Westerners didn't keep them out.
And you had to sleep in a bed with a mosquito netting around it, and you still got the hell bit out of you when you were out.
Even the supposedly relatively safe part of Africa I was in required that I take anti-malarial medicine before I got there and while I was there and for, I think, five days after I left.
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They're using stem cells right now in dogs, and veterinarians are using it in dogs to cure cancer, in horses to heal joints, damaged joints and broken limbs.
Really, when I talk about stem cells, I'm talking about the whole spectrum.
But the argument between fetal stem cells and non-fetal stem cells, I believe, is a non-issue because almost everything that you can do with fetal stem cells, you can do with adult stem cells if you modify the cells properly.
Or you can certainly do with placental stem cells, which are just as good as fetal stem cells for almost all applications.
And now we're refining the technology to make it more targeted.
Stem cells have been successful in reversing brain damage and stroke, are being used experimentally in Alzheimer's disease.
The results aren't quite in yet, but it looks promising.
There are reports of people who have been paralyzed with spinal cord injuries, very severe transections or crush injuries of the spinal cord, who have gotten some, or in a couple of reported cases, most of their sensation and some of their function back in their limbs.
Well, there's many different ways of preparing stem cells.
It's not just one way.
If you're treating neurological injuries, you want nerve stem cells.
If you're treating bone injuries, you want bone stem cells.
If you're trying to repair the heart, you want muscle stem cells.
So you're looking for and then there's just like the general shotgun approach that's being attempted right now where people are taking placental tissue the afterbirth and are extracting the stem cells from the placenta tissue.
The placenta is a massive amount of stem cells in the placenta that we just throw away after the birth.
And people are taking those stem cells now and just dropping, you know, dripping them into individuals to an IV for a shotgun approach for rejuvenation.
The early reports are for some conditions, you know, chronic fatigue, problems with immune incompetence, that this appears to have some beneficial effect.
Now, for things such as repairing the heart, you have to get right down to the heart tissue and insert a catheter into the damaged tissue and inject the stem cells right into that damaged tissue.
There's a neurosurgeon in China, in Beijing, who has reported, and this has been reported on BBC and in other news services, that he has had people who've had transected spinal cords who these people have some degree of motion and quite a bit of sensation now because of this.
He also reports he's treated stroke successfully and he's treated other neurological disorders.
The fact of the matter is, there's a very great deal more of this kind of experimentation going on in China.
Because here, of course, we have laws against some of it.
So China is racing right ahead.
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You know, I've always been a fan of end-of-the-world novels, which, well, in the 50s and 60s concentrated on the possibility of nuclear holocaust.
But now, there's an endless supply of things that could rather neatly, or not so neatly, end our world.
And all these things are little, and we're talking about them.
Viruses, like Marburg, now loose in Africa, like, oh, I don't know, perhaps something from the world of nanotechnology, or stem cell research, or somebody's newest idea of what to clone.
Most of these technologies, certainly Marburg and viruses and nanotechnology, oh boy, a lot of probable, possible downsides to the world of nanotechnology.
But you know, this business with stem cells, I'm almost afraid to ask, but it nearly seems like stem cells might be an area of research that holds nothing but good possibilities.
Or is there a possible downside and something to be concerned about with stem cell research?
but i'm just saying it wouldn't you don't envision any way that stem cell research could be used to concoct a new weapon do you know i'll have now but you know it's it's certainly it's not even a it's not even a even a discussion point around coffee after these conferences are over.
Well, that's the real problem with biologicals and why they're so horrible, you know, why these are such horrible weapons, because they do have a life of their own, and they do tend to mutate.
And they can go in different directions than you intend them to.
And as nanotechnology becomes more and more lifelike, and robotics becomes more and more lifelike, I mean, after all, we now have, you know, we started with robotic drones, airplanes, and as soon as we got airplanes that were autonomous, what's the first thing we did?
We put missiles on them.
Of course.
You know, now South Korea is talking about having autonomous robots to guard their DMZ.
Oh, this is kind of, like I said, this is frightening stuff.
So we live in a very strange duality right now.
And it is a race to the finish line because with the singularity occurring in 2029 or maybe before, with this explosion of technological knowledge that we have in front of us, we have the power to do great good or great evil in the world.
Okay, I wonder why things that seem so straightforward are not so straightforward.
For example, I was just on infectious disease.
I was reading on a news service that AIDS could be prevented, by and large, if we had a virusital lubricant to prevent irritation and The transmission of the active intercourse.
Really?
Yeah.
And I talk about this, by the way, in my book, Infection Protection.
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But in my book, Infection Protection, I talk about that.
I say, you know, why couldn't we come up with a product called Love Lube?
and gave it a name.
And it would be a lubricant that was impregnated with antiviral agents that would at least protect from...
Well, some of the researchers are talking about perhaps 80%.
80% protection, possibly.
Now, the literature, I mean, the news services are talking about that this inspect, this product, is under development and it might be available in another five years.
Well, what the heck are they waiting five years for?
Why should such a product, which is topical, which is not an internally taken drug, require five years of research and development when ostensibly millions of people are infected and thousands are dying every year, or tens of thousands are dying every year?
And that's just one example of things that just don't make sense.
Just like these viral, you know, this viral test kit, you know, mistakenly being sent out to 4,000 labs with the wrong virus, with a pathogenic virus inside of it, and it being mislabeled.
There are so many things out there that don't make sense.
Well, what doesn't make sense to me, Doctor, is that we're not, this is such a gigantic, it's such a mountain of a story that it's not sufficient for you to tell me the investigators are finding the people responsible for this are on vacation.
No, I guess I'm not that worried, but I don't want to.
I'm still a physician and a scientist, and I have to talk from, even though I'm happy to speculate with you, I still have to stand on things that I can substantiate.
And so it's anything else would be wild speculation on my part.
My point is that I'm afraid.
My point is that I'm concerned, that I don't have answers.
And I'm used to having answers.
I'm an answer guy.
And the people that I know and respect who are answer guys don't have the answers either.
Yeah, we just have, you know, I just have the internet, which is going to give you a little more information, frankly.
In fact, sometimes too much information, so much you can't discern what's true and what's BS.
So at least it's a source outside the regular American five-minute newscast or 30-minute newscast, whatever you can fit in 22 minutes or whatever it is, minus commercials.
So there's a little bit of overload of some information out there, but how does one pick through the wheat and the jaffe and get to the kinds of answers to these questions that we need?
I don't know.
And I guess you don't either.
And that really scares me, because that's your biz.
Well, the trick to growing an organ is having the right scaffolding, being able to grow it in three dimensions, not just on a flat plate of tissues.
Right now, we can grow a flat sheet of organ tissue very easily.
And there are those who are working in stem cells who believe that we will be able to reseed it, just as we already have, we've reseeded the heart.
We've injected stem cells directly into the heart, reseeded it, and grow new heart tissue, functioning heart tissue.
Brain tissue, that seems to be working as well.
There are those who believe that we may be able to take a damaged kidney or diseased kidney and inject stem cells directly into the kidney and repair that organ.
Stem cells certainly can be injected into the body and create a new immune system.
It is, and we kind of specialize in having people at the top of their game on this program.
Dr. Ronald Klaz is clearly, clearly in that category.
So we're going to go to the phones.
If you have a question for Dr. Klappz about any of these new biological areas of research, these wild things, the wild things, nanotechnology, cloning.
Oh, we have to touch on cloning.
The Marlborough virus, the dangerous things that are going on right now, the general state of the world, which is, I guess, what we've been talking about a little bit.
We're about to dive into the phones.
That means your turn.
Tomorrow night, we're going to talk more about, well, you remember at the beginning of the program, I talked to you about the Princeton eggs, the fact they're going berserk right now, something you ought to pay close attention to, incidentally.
Very close attention.
Tomorrow night, we're going to sort of delve into that field a little more, prayer, human consciousness, that sort of thing.
It's absolutely fascinating, the work going on at Princeton.
And it'll be in that area that we travel tomorrow night on this program.
In the meantime, Dr. Klats and all of you coming up directly.
You know, I have a computer next to me handily displaying the message that are sent, well, messages sent in by all of you with a service called FastBlast on the website.
You can type a question in and send it to me, and I get, well, thousands during the program.
But to give you some idea of what there's a lot of good people in the world.
And this is really going to the core of what Dr. Klapps and myself have been talking about for a couple of hours right now.
There are a lot of good people in the world, but there is another element out there.
I've got this cute little picture of a kitten that fell asleep on top of a ball of yarn on my webcam.
And so somebody calling himself Craig from Flagstaff, Arizona writes to me, Hey, Jew boy, someone needs to slip and light an M80 under that cat's head on the webcam.
Now, the conspiracy fruitcakes out there have thought that I're just certain that I'm Jewish.
There's web pages devoted to it out there.
I'm not, by the way, I'm Lutheran.
But, you know, that fits in their category of vicious hate thinking, you know, and that's the kind of vicious hate thinking that's going on out there.
Hey, Jew boy.
Someone needs to slip and light an M80 under that cat's head on the webcam.
Thanks, Greg.
Yeah, that's cool.
See, those are the kind of people, Dr. Klatz, that we're in a race with, you know?
They don't scare me as much as the people who I think we are in a race with, and that's people who have a completely separate agenda for which way the world is going.
But this is the most perplexing aspect of the whole thing.
As we race toward these wonderful possibilities that you describe so enthusiastically, we're also in the race with these idiots who want everything destroyed.
They really do.
I'm believing they want everything destroyed.
Anyway, it was just an example of the kind of evil-minded, hearted hate stuff out there.
The Codex is Olimentarium is the European Code for Food Safety.
And it's kind of like the equivalent of the European FDA.
And the Codex is important because it establishes what are safe levels of various foods or nutrients.
And the Codex that is being pushed forward in the European Parliament, the new Codex, is essentially trying to relabel all foods that have a therapeutic effect as drugs.
Well, if you wanted the active ingredient in apples, yes, indeed.
If you wanted to buy high-potency vitamin C, you would need a prescription for it.
You do now, by the way, in several European countries because of the existing Codex rules.
And this is being pushed forward by the pharmaceutical industry and by the total control power people who want to essentially control everyone's health destiny.
And it flies in the face of Deschea, which has given us tremendous freedoms with regard to nutritional and personal health issues in the United States.
And the FDA has come along and stated publicly that they intend to harmonize their rules in accordance with Codex.
So if Codex passes for all of Europe, it would essentially ban any high-dose nutrient.
5,000 nutrients that are available in health food stores all over the United States would be considered illegal in Europe if Codex passes.
Well, the latest, you know, there's all these little scares.
You know, ephedra was dangerous.
Even though ephedra was used in medicine and by the public for the last 2,000 years, suddenly ephedra was this demonized drug that had to be banned by the FDA.
And interestingly, in Florida, just this last week, a judge overruled the FDA's opinion and is now made calling their opinions over broad.
But there is a concerted effort on the parts of some individuals who want to control all of your health care destiny to deny you freedom of choice in nutrients or even in foods.
And your listeners need to pay attention to this because it will affect us here in the United States if it passes in Europe.
Now, luckily, we have a slight reprieve because there was a suit brought against this in the European High Court.
And quite surprisingly, the Chief Justice of the European High Court said that the Codex rulings were arbitrary and overbroad and overreaching, and he recommended that they not be passed.
I have one of your books, The Anti-Aging Revolution.
It's pretty good.
Thank you.
I have a comment and a question.
My comment is I think pretty much the same people that are behind eliminating the biochemists are probably the same people that have the vanishing virus.
I think they're going to give us another world disease, and this is just a way of blaming some poor guy in a lab so that maybe they can give us a new outbreak and make money for the pharmaceuticals, that's my opinion.
Well, there is an awful lot to be concerned about with mad cow disease, Pyron disease.
And the Pyron particles look suspiciously like the neurotangles that can occur, that do occur and are path mnemonic of the lesions for Alzheimer's disease.
And that connection has not been disproven as of yet.
And so there are people who are concerned about that, and there are people who are concerned that the United States is not really testing its cattle for Pyron disease.
The only beef that I would eat today would be beef from Japan because 100% of their cattle was tested for Pyron disease.
Well, I'll tell you, You know, at first I started thinking, well, you know, there's a lot of scientists out there.
This isn't, you know, 50 deaths in the last three, four years isn't so unusual.
But when you look at how these people died, many of them being murders, suspicious suicides, one guy being chopped up into little pieces and stuffed into three different suitcases, you kind of go, what is happening here?
And a suspicious amount of them are involved in microbiology and associated with government-sponsored research.
Most of them are unaware, but the ones who are aware have raised their eyebrows and have said, hmm.
Now, I don't have a tremendous amount of contacts who are involved in the types of microbiology that would be sensitive.
Most of my contacts are in clinical medicine.
And so I don't deal in those dark realms where secrecy is a big issue.
But even the guys I talk to in clinical medicine raise their eyebrows once I make them aware of this and they see the numbers because these numbers are, you know, alarming, especially the types of deaths that you see, because these are relatively young people.
I think there, let me ask this, Doctor, are there ways of looking at a virus and saying, oh, that's man's hand is obviously involved here, or can it be ruled out?
There are ways to get indications, but there's not, I don't think there is an absolute 100% way to say, yes, this occurred by the hand of man or this occurred by nature.
There are things that make you suspicious if you see sequences that don't occur within nature.
And the question I have, based on everything that you've talked about tonight, it's a really good question.
In Europe, well, the first, actually, actually, the question I should ask first, really, is, has anyone asked the FBI if they've looked into this distribution of that virus in the Thousands of labs around the world?
Yeah, and the next question, associated with that, with these people on vacation and no one's ex the FBI and no government statement has come out about this, in your opinion, based on everything that's been happening since 9-11, including what you've talked about tonight,
does it look to you, including the deaths of 50 microbiologists in the last four years, does it look to you like this present administration really cares about what happens to people around the world, even in this country?
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If I may ask, Doctor, you certainly in the prior appearances on this program have been an extremely optimistic man, and I know that at heart you still are.
How many, although I must say recently you seem very concerned, and I wonder how many of your colleagues privately share your concerns?
Yeah, and I don't want to cause people to be unduly concerned, but people need to be aware, because something has to change, and it's going to take all of us.
I mean all of us, because the leadership to make this thing happen, it's not going to happen from, you know, the guys who are in power.
This has got to be a global event.
People have to wake up and start taking charge of their own health care, their own health destiny, and, you know, our place on the planet.
We have to be looking at a pro-life, pro-longevity, you know, stance.
I can only hope and pray that those men who are in control of our very lives are men of goodwill and humane conscience and are acting in the best interest of us all.
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I want to ask, what kind of psychological profile is done on some of these biologists to make sure when they're going to do research that they're not harboring either some jihadist type feelings or racial type hatred?
When we send up space astronauts, astronauts into space, rather, we give them a battery of psychological tests to determine they're not going to, likely will not go berserk once they get up on the International Space Station or whatever.
So people working with these little horrors that we've been talking about, Dr. Klatz, are they required to pass any sort of psychological certification?
I know to get into medical school, they put you through all kinds of psychological aptitude testing, but I don't believe there's any of that involved in PhD programs in microbiology, so I would have to say there is none to my knowledge.
Are you suggesting that the thinning out or the culling, if you will, of the world's population might not be such a bad idea?
Is that where you're going?
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In the long run, for the actual longevity of mankind, before something, I mean, if you look at all other animals, any animal that overpopulated as much as we have would have been extinct a long time ago.
You know, that's so antithetical of those of us who have training in medicine and in the sciences.
We're here to preserve life and to extend life, not to limit life.
And it really doesn't have to be because the planet will reach a maximum, the projections are the planet will reach a maximum of about 8 billion people and it will start to reverse if the technologies that are in play, anti-aging technologies, biotechnologies that will lead to improved health care are extended globally.
So the concern of the overpopulation issue with regard to anti-aging or even biotechnologies really, I don't think, will come to be.
Yeah, but you just talked to a guy who thinks, and he sounded reasonably intelligent, obviously believes very strongly that a culling of the population is in order.
So that kind of thinking, it may not be public a lot, but it's out there, obviously.
Well, I would think at the very least that people who would have that goal might not become, or perhaps shouldn't become, microbiologists in this modern day and age, or at least there ought to be a psychological test, as the caller mentioned, for people into that field.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Ronald Klatz.
Good morning.
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I was curious about banned vitamins.
In particular, vitamin I heard of in a book I read was D13 erotic acid.
I was wondering if he heard of that one and if there's a listing of various vitamins or nutrient supplements that are banned or under threat of being banned on his website.
I think it's an issue of finance and global control.
Alternative health care, and I don't really like the term alternative health care, but people using nutritional therapies and managing themselves, their own health care, is, in the opinion of certain factions in the pharmaceutical industry, is not a good thing.
And for every dollar that's spent on nutritional therapies, it could be construed as costing the pharmaceutical industry $10 to $20.
In those countries where Codex is the law of the land, Germany and the Netherlands, a bottle of zinc supplements that would cost $4 here is now selling for $56.
Okay, I can hear you, but you're going to have to get a little louder.
What about nanobacteria?
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Well, I'm reading that two separate reports in the Journal of Proteome Research say that nanobacteria in rain clouds could be contributing to diseases around the world, and that nanobacteria have now been identified in humans on four continents.
They're very small, vanishingly small bacteria that really shouldn't, you know, that don't really fit into the category of bacteria because they're so small.
But they sequester calcium.
And it's believed that they're the cause of kidney stones and may be the cause of calcium depositing in coronary arteries.
That these bacteria, you know, they're ubiquitous and they are calcium-fixing and may be the underlying cause of some of these degenerative diseases of aging.
And they're concerned about nanobacteria.
Interestingly enough, NASA did a study on the growth of nanobacteria because in a weightless environment, they explode in their growth cycle.
The article she was referring to is they've apparently found nanobacteria in clouds and that it's actually being, you know, it's actually raining down on them.
I don't want to say that it's absolutely for real.
There are still some microbiologists who are not convinced that nanobacteria are, in fact, a separate class of bug and that they do everything that I've talked about, but that's the way the literature is leaning right now.
unidentified
And thank you so much about mentioning Codex also.
I wouldn't be able to talk tonight if I couldn't use quercetin for my sinuses.
I think know again this is not my area of expertise and if there is an attack like this we're all in trouble because the these biological agents are extremely lethal and all you can do is try and get away from the area that it's that has been released.
And if you can't get out, then building rooms within rooms within rooms to try and limit exposure to protect the air and that sort of thing would be helpful.
with marburg uh...
specifically all you have to make sure that no one came in contact with you either uh...
by droplet or aerosol or by touch uh...
and so i'd lock the door and i would stand by and i try and whether it until it burnt itself out because these No, I have not.
I don't see Maraburg as an issue for us in the United States, as an infectious disease risk with what's happening in Africa.
But of course, if it was to become weaponized and used against the public, that's a completely different issue.
But if you don't die of cancer, you can add an extra three, four, maybe six years to your average lifespan.
So there are things that we can do now, but I think the caller is talking about a more generalized, universal cure, which I'm not quite sure is available yet, and if it is, I'd like to know about it.
Ma'am?
unidentified
Yeah, and also the other comment was, I was watching local news today, and they had mentioned something about finding some sort of cancer-causing agents in toothpaste.
And I'm wondering what your opinion is on that.
And also, I'll get my question done and hang up.
Do you foresee in the future, along with stem cell research, some sort of booster shot you could take in adulthood, basically, like for a body cleansing?
Well, I don't know that one shot is going to do that.
I mean, your body cleansing needs to be done over a period of time, and you need to be doing it constantly because we're constantly exposed to toxins in our environment.
Water, tap water alone, according to the EPA, is responsible for 30,000 deaths a year from kidney and urinary tract cancer.
Okay, so I mean just the fluoride and the chlorides and the bromines that occur and the chemicals that occur within the water supply.
The way you talked about toothpaste, it's been known for some time That some of the chemical agents that are used as preservatives and are used as different types of aesthetic agents in cosmetics might be mildly carcinogenic.
And so the argument has been in natural health food circles is to use only natural products.