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April 16, 2005 - Art Bell
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So, I'm going to be doing a little bit of a walkthrough of the game. So, I'm going to be doing a little bit of a walkthrough
of the game.
So, I'm going to be doing a little bit of a walkthrough of the game.
So, I'm going to be doing a little bit of a walkthrough of the game.
And welcome to this program that covers all the world's time zones ever so well, called Coast to Coast AM.
I am its host throughout the weekend.
My name is Art Bell.
And, uh... Before we get to this evening's first guest, and we do have one in the first hour, all about, uh...
Biodiesel.
And if you've been to the gas pump lately, this will be a big duh for everybody.
We've got to have it, and we've got to have it right away, actually, in my opinion.
At any rate, we'll get to that in a moment.
Just a couple of things.
One, my webcam photo this night.
No, that is not a new kitten in our household.
Although, Ramona and myself have talked about the possibility of having a kitten, of getting a kitten, and we'd really love to have one.
But we have four cats.
One, two, three, four cats.
And, you know, the cat box already is Jumbo size.
So we just really, but boy, when you look at this little face now, it's a picture of a cat who, well, of course, it's a kitten, and its entire life is wrapped up in this ball of twine.
You know how cats are with balls of twine, right?
And obviously it has been playing with this ball of twine for a long, long time.
So long, That like most kittens do, they just fall asleep in place at this little guy.
You can tell he was in love, just in love, and he just decided he couldn't do it anymore.
He was tired.
He went to sleep on the ball of twine.
It's quite a photograph.
That's on the webcam.
Now this is much more serious.
I have any number of emails from people who watch the Princeton Eggs.
The Princeton eggs are actually just individual computers generating random numbers and then reporting back to the mother hen at Princeton University in something called the Human Consciousness Project.
And going back now with a long, honorable track record, these eggs seem to register human consciousness before This is a key word.
Before the actual event occurs.
Now, the track record is so far better than any psychic that I know.
There's something about when something big is about to happen.
These eggs go berserk.
You see, when these random number generators begin to generate non-random numbers, they start to become non-random.
Then the alarms go off, quite literally.
The alarms go off.
You can see all of these worlds so-called eggs on a graph with a kind of a heartbeat sound in the background and then when things start to go berserk or maybe that's that's an inaccurate usage of it is of that where they don't go berserk but they seem to go berserk from a pictorial graphic point of view but in fact they're becoming non-random and that's a reason for worry
Looking back, the number of years the project has been in place, its hit rate is, well, just about cannot be argued.
At any rate, if you want to know more about the Princeton eggs, and it's one hell of a subject, go to Google and put in Black Box and then Princeton.
Black Box and then Princeton.
And it will take you to an article that will explain all about the experiments being done at Princeton.
And the reason I did all this setup is I have a whole bunch of emails.
I'll read you a couple.
Hey Art, as of 2130, 16 April 05, the eggs at the Global Consciousness Project are extremely active.
Dings nearly every beat.
Multiple dings.
Gongs every two to three beats.
Or this from John.
Hey Art, we're in for some deep doo-doo.
I've been monitoring the Global Consciousness Project for about two years now, and the beeps and gongs are absolutely off the hook today.
So, I don't know, keep your heads low out there.
In a moment, Joe Jobe is the Executive Director for the National Biodiesel Board, the NBB, Is the National Trade Association representing biodiesel industry as the coordinating body for biodiesel research and development here in the U.S.?
Its members include feedstock producers, processors, soybean commodity boards, biodiesel suppliers, and fuel marketers and distributors.
Joe has been with the NBB since 1997, has served as the executive director since 1999, January of that year.
Joe's duties included serving As the principal investigator for the 2.2 million dollar biodiesel health effects testing program.
Ha ha.
Joe became interested in agricultural, environmental, and energy issues growing up on a farm in central Missouri.
Prior to working for the NBB, Joe was a fraud investigator for the Missouri Attorney General's office.
So if there was any fraud involved in the whole Biodiesel thing you just know Joe would sniff it out in a moment.
we've got a lot of questions for jones you might imagine this last week
uh... ramona and myself Went down to the Phoenix area in the RV, you know big old 37-foot diesel pusher RV that I've got most of the time we drive a little Geo Metro around but we took the RV and Let me tell you baby.
I don't have to tell you right you drive, you know The prices of fuel are becoming scary scary individually and scary As a nation, because it will affect everything.
Everything you own, everything you use is all transported to you by big trucks with big diesel engines.
And so this is a big topic, really big topic.
Gasoline, the cost of gasoline, what we can do.
Here's Joe Jobe.
Joe, welcome to the program.
Thank you, Art.
It's a pleasure to be here.
I'm very, very honored to be invited on your show.
Well, we're honored to have you.
All of a sudden, this is a really, really big topic, because everybody's feeling the shock out there right now.
God, it's awful.
Well, yeah, absolutely.
We've been working on energy issues forever.
We've been working on biodiesel for over a decade, but it really hits home when those Fuel prices spike up and that's when, only when it really hits the pocketbook do people really want to think about it.
Well, it's hit.
It's hit, Joe.
It's here.
So, people are definitely thinking about it.
There's a lot of things that we all want to know about diesel.
I had Willie Nelson on the program about three weeks ago and Willie said he's got a series of fueling stations for diesel and He said the following, that there's no problem with diesel.
He said you can take it, any trucker on the road right now, God knows there are millions of them, many of them listening to me, can make their next fill up a biodiesel, something made out of soy beans essentially, and they can put it right in the truck with no conversion, no problem, no mess, no fuss, just go fill up and use it like you use your regular diesel.
Is that right?
That is true.
I guess the first thing What's important to understand is what is biodiesel.
What is it?
Soybeans is what we hear.
Yeah, now it's not the same thing as just the crude vegetable oil that you would take, go and buy the bottle of Wesson off the grocery store shelf.
Right.
But you take that product and it can actually be any natural vegetable oil or animal fat.
Animal fats, any triglyceride source.
Okay.
Natural oil, vegetable oil or animal fat.
Corn oil, sunflower oil.
Canola.
We use primarily soybeans in this country because that's our primary oil seed crop.
In Europe, the primary oil seed crop is rapeseed oil, which is the same as we know of as canola oil in this country.
But you take the vegetable oil and you react it with an alcohol to remove the glycerin.
And the glycerin is sold as a byproduct for cosmetics and pharmaceuticals and other industrial chemicals.
And the remaining compound is called an alkyl ester.
That's a chemical name for biodiesel and acts very chemically similar to diesel fuel in a diesel engine, except that it is ten times less toxic than table salt.
Alright, here we go.
I want to ask some questions here.
One at a time, alright?
Because it's so important.
Everybody's worried about global warming and so we want to know how does this Biodiesel compared to regular diesel, for example, in terms of what it's going to do to the environment.
Right.
Well, what you have to do in order to examine the impacts on global warming is you have to do a wheel-to-wells analysis.
The Department of Energy did that wheel-to-wells analysis.
In other words, you look at all of the inputs that it takes to produce biodiesel.
Sure, sure.
The cost to produce it, energy and so forth?
Yep, all of the energy costs, all of the fertilizers and all of those things to grow the soybeans and to harvest them and to process the vegetable oil and turn it into biodiesel and use it, all of those things.
The Department of Energy did that analysis and what they determined was that there is an 80% reduction In carbon dioxide compared to regular diesel fuel.
Holy mackerel!
80%!
And carbon dioxide, of course, is the primary greenhouse gas.
Yeah, that's right.
So 80% less.
80%.
79, 78.9%.
That's very serious indeed.
So it's environmentally friendly compared to what we have now, is the true answer.
Yes.
What about human health in general?
We talked about the environment, the air, the atmosphere, and all the rest, but what about human health?
We've all been behind diesel engines that are kind of dirty, and they smell awful.
Yes.
I've been behind a school bus, you know, all those school children.
Are up in there and the school bus is just billowing black smoke and you can't hardly drive behind it.
Anybody who drives knows what it smells like.
Exactly.
So how would this be different?
Well, the primary, there are a couple of primary differences.
First of all, that diesel fuel that's in that school bus has sulfur in it and biodiesel essentially has no sulfur.
And second thing is biodiesel is uh... it contains oxygen about eleven percent oxygen by
weight whereas people fuel just a straight hydrocarbon has no
has no oxygen the presence of oxygen causes it to burn more completely
What about horsepower?
What about efficiency for the engine?
when you burn biodiesel in a diesel engine is that it creates less of those particulates.
That's what you see in that black smoke.
What about horsepower? What about efficiency for the engine?
Are the engines going to be every bit as powerful as they are now?
Yeah, well, pure biodiesel is very comparable to number two diesel.
It has slightly less energy content than number two diesel fuel.
It has more similar to number one diesel fuel.
Would I notice a difference if I put a tank of bio in my RV, diesel RV?
Would I notice?
You would most likely not notice a difference.
You might notice a difference in fuel economy, perhaps up to 7% difference in fuel economy.
Meaning more or less?
Less.
Less.
Oh, 7% less.
Oh, that's interesting.
If you're using pure biodiesel.
But most biodiesel currently is being used in blends.
And the most common blend is a 20% blend of biodiesel with 80% petroleum.
And the reason for that, there's a couple of reasons.
First of all, the 20% blend Because biodiesel is an alternative fuel, it is more expensive currently than conventional petroleum-based fossil fuels.
Tell me, maybe you know why, but diesel used to be much less than even regular gas.
And then it surpassed regular gas, and damn if its price isn't headed toward the more expensive gas.
What's up with that?
Yeah, it is a very strange Thing that I can't explain other than it does flip-flop.
Most people believe that it's always been cheaper, but it does flip-flop because diesel is somewhat of a seasonal fuel.
In the summer, more people are traveling.
They're using more gasoline.
People are taking vacations or getting out on the road or going to Yellowstone Park, whatever.
In the wintertime, They're using, you know, they're gearing up for Christmas, which is a very large chunk of our commercial distribution, gearing up for Christmas.
All of those diesel vehicles are out there firing up.
They're using a lot of diesel fuel.
Plus, at the same time, they're using a lot of diesel fuel as heating oil, particularly in the Northeast.
So it's just supply and demand?
It's supply and demand, but typically diesel fuel has been Less expensive, but right now it is more expensive than gasoline, which is a strange anomaly.
I don't know why that is.
I don't either, but we all suspect the worst.
That is in terms of, I don't know, dirty rotten dealings on the part of the oil companies that are raping us.
So at what price level is diesel Profitable.
I mean, is there a price point, as the price of gas and number two, diesel, goes up, is there a price point where biodiesel becomes even more attractive?
Yes.
First of all, in terms of the comparison to diesel and gasoline, one thing, you know, most Americans don't really have a very good, the general public The U.S.
general consuming public doesn't have a really good concept about diesel technology.
Most people think in terms of gasoline, because their personal vehicle is a gasoline vehicle.
Only about 2% of Americans drive a diesel vehicle, which is... Is that right?
Which is unique, because... Did you say 2%?
2% less.
2% of Americans drive diesel.
That's incredible.
Alright, look.
Again, I've got this RV that's a diesel pusher, and I can tell you there's no difference Between diesel and gasoline in terms of the way a vehicle performs, period, except the diesel gets better mileage than the gas engine.
Right.
And it's unique to America because Europe, for example, about, well, it's different country by country, but on average, more than half of the cars on the road are diesel.
In Europe?
In Europe.
And the reason for that is because The fuel cost is higher.
It's significantly higher at the pump.
In some cases, it's Euros per liter, but it's translated into dollars per gallon.
Sometimes five dollars a gallon.
Five dollars a gallon.
So you're telling me people switch because it is better mileage and they've got such high prices they can't afford not to do it?
Exactly.
Fuel efficiency is much more important there and a diesel engine is 30 to 50 percent more fuel efficient.
I know.
It's astounding.
Well, why have we not followed suit in America?
Just because our prices haven't been that high, or they've been artificially low, or what?
No, it's because American consumers have a very long, stubborn memory for failed experiments.
And if you recall, back in the 80s, there was a failed introduction of diesel cars.
With the Oldsmobile cars, they took a gasoline engine, they converted it to diesel, and it was horrible.
It was stinky, and smoky, and smelly, and you had to plug it in.
All true, but now we've got the Mercedes diesel, right?
Exactly, but that failed introduction, people just, you know, the word was out and it still lingers today that you don't want anything to do with a diesel car because it's just bad.
God, I thought the opposite.
Well, you know, you might pull some listeners and see what they think.
You know, people that are not very familiar with diesel.
There is a stigma to diesel cars.
It's that same stigma that everybody knows, you know, following that same black, smoky school bus.
Oh, sure.
And there's a stigma on performance.
Because the diesels were very slow and doggy and they were just awful.
But diesel technology has dramatically improved.
Well, it's not so bad, obviously.
I mean, the whole thing's a stupid myth.
All of our truckers drive diesel, or almost, what, the high 90 percentile drive diesel trucks?
100 percent.
Okay, there you go.
They all drive diesel trucks, so that's what moves our goods across America.
How does it get better than that?
Yeah, well, that's true, but the passenger cars right now, well, before this year, if you wanted to buy an American-made diesel Vehicle you had to you had to buy a three-quarter ton pickup, which is what I drove for the last five years is a 350 pickup with a power stroke 7.3 liter engine just absolutely loved it But they do have Mercedes has been offering diesels diesel cars since the late 60s, but you know in a very High-performance
All right, Joe, listen.
We're coming up on a break, so hold on a moment.
Listen, I'll tell you something else.
Diesel engines will run two or three times as far before they need maintenance as a regular engine, so what's the matter with people anyway?
The truckers know what's going on.
Why aren't you four-wheelers out there getting smart?
Demand diesel.
Diesel engines in your vehicles.
If the American people want it, they'll get it.
What will you do when you get lonely?
Walk one way and by your side You've been loved, I've been rushed along
You know it's just a foolish plan Yeah, yeah, yeah
Got me on my knees The End
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As you know, I'm a night owl.
As a good friend of mine says, uh...
you That evil, God-forsaken sunshine.
You have to be a night person to understand that point of view, but he's a pretty funny guy.
Jim is his name, and he works...
He loves the same shift that I love, and that's the all-night shift.
I heard him talking one night about it.
He has to get asleep before the sun actually starts to come up, before that first little evil sliver of sun slips through the slats and defiles his room.
He sounds like Dracula or something, doesn't he?
Anyway, he's funny to listen to talk about.
I drive at night.
I'm a night driver.
I stay up at night.
And so if I drive all night long on a ride before the first evil sliver of sunshine, that's just great with me.
And being out on the roads, the highways, the major interstates, 40, 10, you know, those kind.
I would say 90% of the traffic easily is 18 wheelers.
I mean, there's just gazillions of them out there transporting everything that you walk into a store and buy.
Everything goes by road.
These guys are out there, and believe me, they're out there in force at night.
Thousands, millions, and millions and millions of gallons of Diesel is required.
So whether or not the American people have grasped the significance of having a vehicle that has a diesel engine, it doesn't matter.
The truck industry grasped it long ago.
So there's plenty of market.
Plenty of market for diesel.
Trust me on that.
We've got an expert on it, Joe Job, with the National Biodiesel Board with us.
And he'll be right back.
Stay right where you are.
Remember everybody, we're not talking about some future science fiction dream.
We're talking about right now.
You go to a station that has biodiesel.
You can fill up your truck and use it just as you would have used the regular diesel.
Every bit is good.
80% less harmful to the environment.
Much less harmful to human beings.
Smells a whole lot better.
And there's simply no reason not to do it.
Or is there, Joe?
In other words, forget the four-wheelers for a minute.
The big trucks are all using diesel by the millions and millions of gallons, so the market is ready now.
The biggest reason not to use it, Art, is It costs more.
And the other thing is... Oh, no, wait.
Stop right there.
What do you mean it costs more?
If I fill up with biodiesel as compared to number two diesel right now, how much more?
Well, it differs.
It differs by volume purchased and region and what the product's made out of, but... Give me some kind of average, some idea.
Yeah, it's really tough to say, but I'll take a swing at it.
Well, okay.
There are a couple of state incentives that are going on.
This summer, for example, the state of Minnesota has passed legislation that by this summer, 2% of all the diesel fuels sold in the state of Minnesota will be biodiesel.
So it won't be any more expensive than Minnesota.
In Illinois, Truckers are using it because they are giving a state sales tax exemption on biodiesel blends.
Really?
So blends over B10 are actually selling cheaper than diesel fuel.
I come back to where we started.
You said more expensive.
How much more expensive by the gallon?
Most of the time biodiesel is going to be a little bit more with probably It ranges so much, but let's say B20 might cost anywhere from less expensive to, let's say, $0.10 to $0.15 per gallon more expensive.
Well, that's still significant.
Now, let's talk along here.
If the price of regular diesel and gasoline continues to rise, which it's going to, I wrote down before I started the show my own question.
At what price level does biodiesel become profitable?
Become competitive and profitable?
Yes, well biodiesel is becoming, as diesel fuel prices rise, biodiesel is becoming more and more head-to-head cost competitive.
You know, when I started with the National Biodiesel Board eight years ago, I was You know, we were doing testing and demonstration.
We tested biodiesel in every diesel engine type and every diesel engine application, more than 50 million successful road miles.
And so we were buying it to do testing with, and I was paying routinely $6 a gallon.
And at that time, diesel fuel, bulk wholesale diesel fuel, was about 40 cents a gallon.
This is back during an early testing phase.
This is back during the late 90s.
During that, you know, in that same time period, diesel fuel, bulk wholesale diesel fuel, has more than tripled.
That's right.
Biodiesel, there's been a number of biodiesel production facilities going into place.
And now, rather than specialty ordering biodiesel, you're seeing it distributed by tanker truck and rail car and barge.
So, biodiesel is getting less expensive and it's closing that gap.
The other thing is, Joe, and the reason I'm so anxious, and I know the reason Willie Nelson is so anxious, you know, he's been a friend of the farmer for a long time, Joe, the American farmer.
And the American farmer is on kind of hard times.
But on the other side of the coin, the American farmer is the most efficient farmer You probably are one of the most vision in the world.
We have a wonderful farming industry and a fuel like this that comes from the ground would be one hell of a boost for America's farmers, right?
America's farmers, absolutely, definitely.
But America's food consumers and Americans in general, because it's going to help the economy.
When you crush a soybean, you get 80% protein meal and 20% oil.
The protein meal is used for food and feed, and the oil is used for cooking oil and salad dressings.
There's a good deal.
And it's somewhat of a byproduct.
Or in this case, fuel.
In this case, fuel.
Well, there's been three economic studies done in the last two years, independent studies that have been done.
All of them conclude a couple of very important things.
One of the very interesting conclusions is that The increased utilization of soybean oil for biodiesel will allow the meal portion of the oil to have to absorb less of the value, while the oil portion of the soybean is absorbing more of the value.
So what happens is the meal will actually be sold as food and feed.
The meal will actually be cheaper to domestic livestock producers and as food and feed in international protein markets while the oil is then used for biodiesel and it increases the manufacturing sector and decreases imported petroleum which is our single largest component of our national trade debt.
Joe, big question.
If we made a sudden move, if America made a sudden move to biodiesel Are we equipped agriculturally now in America to produce sufficient amounts?
Well, we will, I won't say never, but it is unlikely that we are going to be able to completely Displace all diesel fuel out there.
I didn't say that.
Biodiesel.
I didn't say that.
Okay.
But if we made a very large switch toward biodiesel or blends, whatever, is our agricultural situation ready to handle that much production?
Yes.
Well, it depends on how much production you mean, but the agricultural sector is responding to the market right now because we are in a vast era of growth.
Last year, Congress passed and the President signed a biodiesel tax credit, first ever tax credit for biodiesel that is similar to the ethanol tax credit.
And that has gone into place and our manufacturers, there's about 20 biodiesel manufacturing plants nationwide.
They're spitting out as much fuel as they can produce right now.
There are more plants going into place.
There are two 30 million gallon year plants going in in Minnesota alone and there's about 20 going in nationwide.
The market is responding to that.
Agriculture is responding to that.
And agriculture will and can and does have agricultural shifts and an agricultural response.
And if we continue to use more and more biodiesel, agricultural responses can take on the result of shifting to more higher oilseed crops, for example.
For example, the soy market.
I wonder if the soy market will go berserk, realizing there's a sudden call for lots of soy production.
Is soy suddenly going to be a much more valuable commodity, meaning a better life for the farmers?
I'm really interested in that.
It will, and soybeans are already facing, and the soybean market and soybean farmers are already facing a lot of threats.
Because Brazil is going, they are, they have almost unlimited potential to put more and more and more acres into soybeans, competing with U.S.
soybean markets.
And they are, and imports, soybean imports, both the oil, the meal, the whole beans and the processing, are all increasing from Brazil.
And South America, but primarily Brazil, but all of South America.
And there are other threats in the edible oils market that are threatening the value of U.S.
soybeans and U.S.
soybean farmers.
And biodiesel is offering a tremendous opportunity to hedge those threats.
You know, some of the discussions about trans fatty acids and some of those other things Biodiesel is offering an opportunity to hedge those threats to U.S.
soybean farms.
Alright, how much does the current cost of biodiesel have to do with its limited production?
In other words, if production were to crank up on the national level to the area where I think we all would hope it would, wouldn't that also bring the price down?
Yes, it absolutely would.
What we're moving to, what we're likely to move to in the coming years, beginning next year, Diesel fuel, on-road diesel fuel, and all your listeners out there that are truckers already know about this because truckers are, I have, in my experience, truckers are very well informed and they know their business.
Oh yes.
Your trucker audience out there knows that beginning next year there's going to be a 97% reduction in sulfur and diesel fuel and on-road diesel fuel.
Right.
And that is That's going to create a tremendous opportunity for biodiesel because the refinery process to remove that sulfur also removes the lubricating characteristic of the fuel because the diesel fuel injection system relies on the fuel to keep its rotors and seals and gaskets and pumps all properly lubricated.
Because that removal of sulfur also removes lubricity, most of the diesel fuel is going to have to have a lubricity additive added back to it.
Biodiesel is highly effective as a lubricity additive.
1% biodiesel can improve lubricity by as much as 65%.
Wow!
So it is very likely that what will happen is as we move forward into the implementation of ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel, biodiesel offers an opportunity To blend at the 157 refineries that we have right here in the United States, put it in at 2-5% blend levels, move it throughout the pipeline system, the distribution system, it's completely seamless, and we have the opportunity to, in the very near term, to immediately displace up to 5% of our imported petroleum for diesel fuel use.
There's really no other alternative fuel.
That is positioned that well to do that.
Got it.
Alright, listen Joe, question.
You were a fraud investigator for the Missouri Attorney General's Office, so you look at the... I'm sure your mind still tends to look for the holes, for the catches, for the... you know, fraud's a strong word, but I mean, you know, if there's something wrong with an idea like biodiesel, seems to me you would have sniffed it out and found it by now.
Uh, yes.
One would hope that I would have.
And, you know, really, the magic about biodiesel is it works.
It works, and it really is as simple as we... No catches, Joe, that you've found?
Really?
You know, there are strengths and weaknesses to everything, you know, right?
It comes down to economics.
Uh, as it becomes more and more economical, um, and, you know, customers have to use it, people have to use it, but you know, this isn't a, this, people get excited about it when they first learn about it because they think, this is so great, why haven't I heard about it before?
Yes.
The truth of the matter is that Rudolph Diesel, Dr. Christian Rudolph Carl Diesel, who invented the diesel engine, And he exhibited his first diesel engine in 1900 at the World's Fair in Paris.
It was running on peanut oil.
Most people don't know that.
Mr. Diesel.
Mr. Diesel himself.
I know Art, you are never one to turn down a mysterious story, but Dr. Diesel Found floating in the English Channel, that's how he died.
I'm not surprised.
Died a very mysterious death.
I'm not surprised, not for one second.
You don't think that was as threatening then as it would be now?
Sure it was threatening.
The oil companies probably, well then of course, well we thought the oil would keep coming from the ground forever!
In fact, you know what?
There are people today who think that the oil wells, the oil, this is the truth Joe, that You know, the oil that we pumped out of the ground is being magically replaced by Mother Nature.
Have you heard that story?
I have heard that theory, and it's pretty ridiculous.
Everyone knows, everyone that has seriously looked at this, the National Geological Survey, the Department of Energy, and all of the world, the preponderance of the evidence is clearly Mineral oil, fossil fuel, is a finite resource.
We know that we're going to run out of it, but what is not known, what there is not general agreement on, is when.
Estimates are anywhere from 40 years out to, you know, we could be declining and reach peak oil Yes, we may be at peak oil right now.
Meaning the second half of the oil, still a lot left, is going to be a lot harder and more expensive to get out of the ground, hence the prices keep going up.
There is an agreement on when peak oil will get here, but there is an agreement that it's going to get here.
Peak oil production will get here.
And even if it's 40 years out, my children are going to be faced with what to do.
So it's a question of whether we want a hard landing or a soft landing.
and we darn well better start doing something now in order to figure out how we're going
to transition our... because energy is, you know, it is right up there with agriculture.
The food that we eat.
Agriculture is so very important.
If you don't have food, you don't have much else.
Energy is just like that, because if you don't have energy, well, then you don't have food, and you don't have an economy, and you don't have anything else.
And so, and the environment.
So, biodiesel is something that impacts all three of those.
Energy, environment, agriculture.
It impacts them all in a positive way, which is the reason that I'm so proud to be able to work on something like this.
Joe, and I'm proud to have had you on the program. I wish you nothing but the best,
and I think that is the best for America, so I'm gonna pray that it all goes well.
But I think that the natural course of events ahead of us, Joe, will ensure, trust me,
that it's gonna go well for biodiesel. And I want to thank you for being on the program.
Thank you so much for having me, Art.
Take care, buddy. And I really meant that.
The events unfolding before our very eyes every day at the pump, those will ensure that
biodiesel is...
is going to be a big thing in our lives.
Another possible big event in our lives is happening in Africa right now.
It's called Marburg.
It's one of the most horrible diseases known to mankind.
We'll talk about it with Dr. Ronald Klatz coming up next.
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And normally, when he's on the program, he is very optimistic.
And very excited about the ability of science, the increasing ability, to keep us alive for longer and longer and perhaps ultimately even indefinite amounts of time.
But he may not sound quite as optimistic tonight because we're going to discuss kind of a different thing with Dr. Klatz, although I'm sure we'll certainly touch on anti-aging.
The news on Malberg is not good.
Malberg is a terrible disease.
Actually, we will describe the disease in some detail and its current outbreak in Africa.
Some are very concerned that it may be or may be about to become airborne, which would be a nightmare of the first Perhaps I'm easily frightened.
So coming up in a moment, Dr. Ronald Platt stay right where you are
Perhaps I'm easily Frightened I don't know but last week I read all of you and
there have been many stories since a couple of stories about
Marburg which has broken out now in Africa in a very in a very terrible way
way.
Two stories.
The second story concerned the possibility that it may become airborne, or perhaps already has become airborne, and they were saying that healthcare workers who were using precautions, you know, standard precautions, We're coming down with this killer disease, and killer is an understatement indeed.
The mortality rate of this particular strain of Marburg appears to be up around 92 to 100 percent.
I mean, you get it.
It kills you.
That's all there is to it.
But let us begin at the beginning.
Dr. Klantz, welcome to the program.
Good evening, Art.
Ebola, Doctor, Americans have heard about Ebola and now Marburg.
They're similar.
Can you describe, for example, the Marburg virus, what we know about it, what it is, and what it does?
Well, it's a relatively new virus.
It's a rather rare virus.
There's only been a few outbreaks in history.
It was only discovered Not that very long ago.
Marburg, I believe, was first identified in 1967.
Okay.
And this is a hemorrhagic virus.
Hemorrhagic fever, like Ebola.
And until recently, there's only been a few outbreaks, and it's been relatively small numbers.
I think the largest number up to this point was about 130.
uh...
people who contracted the disease uh... and already it's already it's now pushing i think i
have two hundred and thirty five is the last number that i've seen are you
talking about in the last hour in this current congress current outbreak right on the
largest of them all
but you know people do you know about uh... it boulder but i think because it's
gotten so much attention because it was such a
a killer disease uh... it will be ninety percent fatal
Well, Marburg seems to be doing a better job than Ebola now, and that's kind of strange, because in the past, Marburg outbreaks were about 30% fatal.
And so this new... Exactly, exactly.
Excuse me, let me interrupt.
Gerilyn in New York says, Please, ask Dr. Klass why the mortality rate of the current Marburg outbreak is so high.
As of 4-15, the mortality rate is 92%.
Every site I've seen has lower mortality rates, including the CDC site, which says 23-25%.
But sure enough, we're hearing this particular, is the right word, strain?
I think that's the right term, yeah.
Alright, this particular strain is killing somewhere between 92% and 100% of the people who get it.
My God.
Yeah, it's not pretty.
And it's not good news.
And, you know, one has to wonder how this virus, you know, how this virus has changed so rapidly.
Or is there something even more nefarious at work?
It's not a good way to die, is it?
No, it kills you.
Well, there's really no good news about it.
But I suppose if you had to put it in terms of not the worst news is it kills you quick.
uh... you know the disease the disease uh...
uh... does lead to uh... you know a rapid you have a rapid on set of rapid
uh... you know rate of uh... of killing and uh...
your people will die within a few days
to a week uh... and the good news of that is is that
viruses that are that lethal and not to spread as readily
Usually because they burn themselves out.
They kill their victims before their victims can spread.
Yes.
Now the problem with the Marburg virus is that this particular virus is spread by contact with body fluids.
But the body fluids can be not just sweat or saliva or urine.
But can also be droplets from a cough or a sneeze.
Oh my God.
And that's how it becomes airborne.
And that is not a good thing.
So would you then officially classify this as airborne?
Is that what this means?
You know, it's not for me to classify these things.
I'm not really, you know, I'm not in that particular specialty of infectious disease but you know from all intents
and purposes if you can spread this by droplet infection
which is a sneeze will do it you know it'll kill you as quick as you know somebody you
know giving you a deep kiss well look I know that you know scientists and doctors don't
like to concern people but isn't this just semantics?
I mean, if you can do it with a sneeze, that's the same way you spread, I don't know, the flu.
The flu, or tuberculosis, or black plague.
So, these stories we've been getting of the doctors and the nurses who have been using the normal precautionary Taking the normal precautions around Marburg victims.
They've been getting sick.
Well, there have been a number of them who have died.
I believe 12 healthcare workers is what I've read.
Right.
To give you more accurate numbers, as of from the World Health Organization on April 14th, they report that 224 cases.
That's actually a correction from a previous report of 235 cases and 207 deaths.
but that's still very, very troubling numbers.
That's horrible.
And that doesn't mean that those that are left will not die.
It doesn't obviously break down the conditions.
Maybe they just...
No, and there's a long recovery to this as well.
I mean, it affects, it really does wreak havoc with the internal organs of the body, the pancreas, the
liver.
So, you know, this is not something that's going to be so wonderful to recover from either.
So just because it didn't kill you doesn't mean that you're scot-free.
If you're lucky enough to be among the one or two or five percent that doesn't die, your odds are horrible.
So if it does kill you, laying it right out on the table, what happens to your body?
What does it do?
Well, these are hemorrhagic fevers.
viruses get into the bloodstream and they cause a consumption of the coagulating factors
in the blood, the platelets, the things that keep you from bleeding to death.
And in fact you do bleed to death.
The organs start to bleed within themselves and people will actually bleed through the
eyes, the rectum, through their skin.
I mean, it's not a free sight.
God, so you're saying that's what it does, is take away the clotting factor in your blood?
Is that the extent of it?
Well, that's just part of it.
It also attacks other organs as well.
But the reason why it's called a hemorrhagic fever is because you essentially bleed to death from the inside out.
So, number one, it stops your ability to stop bleeding, and number two, it causes you to start bleeding.
Yes.
Oh, my God.
Not a good scenario.
And this bug has to be contained.
How rapid is the onset?
Well, it can be an incubation time of 10 days.
Or it can be sooner.
Just like the flu?
I would very much like to follow.
In other words, This, this Ebola and now Marburg, this more dangerous Marburg, seemed, I don't know, it's like they come out of some secret hiding place, and it hits, and then they have what we have going on in Africa right now, and then it burns itself out and goes away, and then months or even a year later, boom!
It comes back!
Like, where is it hiding?
Well, they know that it can be carried, or it can be transmitted through green monkeys.
Now, green monkeys are kind of interesting because green monkeys are one of the favorite research animals used by virologists and other infectious disease researchers in Africa.
But they don't know what other vectors are involved.
Well, as sorry as I am for those in Africa, and I'm sure most Americans would join me in this, I read this horrid little novel recently, which actually was, I'm afraid, quite good.
And it was a scenario in which, in this case, there was a horrible outbreak of something not even as bad as Marburg in China, and a couple of Al-Qaeda terrorists went in and got blood samples, and they went away to a secret little location and started culturing this crap and set it loose.
That would seem like a valid worry with respect to Marburg.
I mean, for example, if somebody got a sample of the current Marburg in Africa and let it loose in Chicago, it would not be pretty.
It seems to be this new strain.
And one again wonders how it went from a 23% faith in lethality to, you know, it's current 90% plus lethality.
Anybody have any thoughts like you?
Well, it would seem to be a very, you know, a very good candidate for a biological weapon, as you suggest.
Now maybe someone is playing around with it.
As a matter of fact, chances are very good Uh, that, uh, you know, many someone's are playing around with these sort of things.
Um, and certainly it's been suggested in some circles that, you know, many of these, uh, uh, infections that we're seeing now, including West Nile virus and, uh, um, you know, uh, you know, even AIDS, uh, was, uh, you know, was, uh, in one way or another, uh, due to some either research or, or, or weapon research or, uh, or biological experiments that got out of hand.
Now, again, I just want to make it real clear for your listeners that my background is in biotechnology and biomedical research, and I am not a specialist in infectious diseases.
I'm happy to have this conversation, but I don't want to mislead anyone to say that I'm giving you any deep inside information.
I know as much as other physicians know who read medical websites and who are plugged into CDC and the World Health Organization and other groups like that.
When I spoke to you the other day on the phone, I heard what is usually a very optimistic, forward-looking guy sounding kind of depressed.
Would you say that's a fair assessment?
Okay, yes, I suppose we could say that, yes.
I just picked this story up tonight off MSNBC.com.
Headline, two shipments of deadly flu missing, WHO says.
Let's see, I haven't even read this myself.
Health experts have destroyed two-thirds of the specimens of a killer influenza virus and as part of a routine test kit around the world.
But we're still trying to trace two shipments that were supposed to go to Mexico and Lebanon.
In other words, they're lost.
The World Health Organization has been urging thousands of labs in 18 countries which receive vials of the nearly 50-year-old H2N2 virus to please destroy the samples amid fears of a global pandemic should the virus be released.
Now, this rises to the top of the I-can't-believe-it scale.
The whole thing.
It's a major oops.
And one has to wonder if it's really an oops or if it's a, you know, or if there is something a little bit more malignant behind it.
First of all, why would the World Health Organization, through a laboratory in the United States, by the way, this all came out of the U.S., why they would send to 4,000 different laboratories a virus sample.
Originally these virus samples were supposed to be used for calibrating viral laboratories around the world to test them to see if they had adequate proficiency in detecting one virus or another.
I want to be clear on this.
In the story it says they sent the killer influenza virus as part of a routine test kit.
That implies just what you said, but it shouldn't have been the really Horrible form of, it shouldn't have been this virus at all, right?
No, they never send pathological viruses as part of their test.
These are innocuous viruses that they send as part of their test.
And it's interesting that these supposedly, and again, you know, my sources are the internet, just like everyone else.
Yes.
But supposedly these, not only did they send this previously killer virus out, but it was mislabeled as something else entirely.
And it was only by accident that it was discovered at all.
If it wasn't for a laboratory in Canada, in British Columbia, that had contaminated the lab with some material, including this material, it never would have been found out.
It was total serendipity that this was even discovered.
And if it hadn't been discovered?
Well, we still don't know what the, you know, the long-term sequelae of this thing is.
I mean, certainly, and it's not just two labs that have not returned the samples or have lost their samples.
There's only, there's still a third of those 4,000 labs that have not, you know, checked in yet.
So who knows how many samples it could be.
But if it was not discovered and people did not take adequate precautions with this material, It's very possible that it could have escaped the laboratory, created a new outbreak of influenza that would not have been recognized initially, and could have spread quite wide and quite far.
or this is the agent flew that back in uh... nineteen
uh... do something with the seven nineteen fifty seven
the agent who was responsible for one two four million death
Worldwide.
Wow.
Wow.
So, what this means is that people do not have... anyone who was not around in 1957 has no immunity to this stuff.
Well, I remember hearing that on another program and I wanted to ask those who were born previously to 57, how many of us would likely have immunity?
People prior to 57 would probably, you know, there would be, well, it's kind of hard to say.
Generally, 10% of the population will come down with the influenza in any one year.
But in a pandemic, an influenza outbreak that strikes a large percentage of the population with a killer virus, generally it's more than that, maybe as much as 25%.
Are exposed to it.
Doctor, hold on.
Doctor Ronald Klatz is my guest and we're discussing, once again, the little things.
But it's the little things that can get ya.
I can't fathom how they could have set that out.
I can't fathom it!
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The new strain of Marburg, nearly, nearly 100% fatal, and it's a disease that virtually
causes you to disintegrate.
Gets rid of the clotting factor in your blood and then disintegrates your organs and you bleed to death everywhere.
It's horrible.
And it appears to be a new strain in Africa, a particularly deadly strain.
We'll be right back with Dr. Klatz.
Once again, Dr. Ronald Klatz.
Dr. Klatz, I think I said pretty dramatically, you know, I cannot fathom, in my wildest dreams, I can't fathom how something like this could get sent out worldwide in a test kit.
First of all, it would take so much of the virus, it would have to be an awful lot of the virus in the first place.
I mean, you know, I'm sure we keep samples of deadly viruses around, On a routine basis.
In fact, I know we do.
Even the 1918 is held somewhere in another book.
But do we manufacture gigantic amounts of it enough to send out to labs all around the world?
Well, apparently so.
And, you know, this is not an innocuous virus, either.
This is not, you know, a heavy containment virus.
I believe it's a bio-level 2.
But it still is a pathogenic virus.
So, I mean, it wasn't like it just You know, it was just sitting around the lab somewhere.
My question is, is why would we have it under any circumstances in such quantity?
Well, I don't know that the quantity is tremendous that would need to have.
You'd only need really, you know, viruses so small that a few grains of, the equivalent of a few grains of sand.
Okay, but thousands of labs in 18 countries, that's still... Yeah, it's a little piece, isn't it?
It's very troubling.
There's a lot of strange stuff going on in the world of art.
and I guess that's why I was depressed when we talked the other day.
I was depressed anyway.
There is a lot of strange stuff going on in the world, Art.
If you're looking, if you're a futurist like I am, and I know you are, if you're looking
to the future and you're looking to a bright future and you believe, as I do, that things
get better generally all the time and the technology just makes things better all the
You know, whether it be your TV set, or your, you know, internet connection, or, you know, or your healthcare.
And that we're looking, all of us, at least all of us baby boomers, are looking to life expectancies of 100 years of age and beyond.
You know, this kind of bad news with regard to global warfare, with regard to biological warfare, with regard to There are two possibilities.
diseases that are coming, springing up like mushrooms after summer's rain, kind of make
you scratch your head and go, what is going on here?
All right, there are two possibilities.
One case of Ebola could ruin your entire life extension program.
There are two possibilities.
One is nature, and that because the world is so populated now and we have so much adjacency
to animals, I don't know what I'm reaching here, but one possibility is nature is generating
these increasingly horrid little viruses.
The other possibility, of course, is that man is taking them into the lab, sequencing
them and figuring out how to make them even more horrible, and then testing them.
Which one do you lean toward?
You know, the trouble is I just don't know.
I wish I knew.
And if anybody really knows what is going on out there, I would really appreciate if they give me a call.
I promise to keep it all very confidential.
But, you know, I'm not sleeping well at night these days, because I just don't know.
And the world is getting to be a very strange place, because straightforward things that you would think, you know, should be done with regard to limiting pollution, with regard to energy, with regard to global peace, they just don't seem to be Alright, let me cast another hot coal on the fire of suspicion here.
There are a lot of people, Doctor, beginning to keep track of the seemingly unusual number of biological experts getting murdered.
Or dying very suspiciously.
A lot of people are keeping track of this.
Fifty, is it fifty now?
I believe it's 50, yes.
I'm hoping not to be 51, but it's okay because I'm really not much of an expert, more of a reporter.
I've sure heard a lot of disclaimers in this first hour or so.
Not even been an hour yet.
A lot of disclaimers.
Are you concerned, Doctor, about what you say tonight and how your colleagues might react to it?
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
It's a scary world, and it shouldn't be a scary world.
The world should be getting to be a better place, you know, a more peaceful and a more open and honest place.
You know, we live in a world of abundance.
There are miracles happening every day, but in the last ten years or eight years or whatever, things have been taking a very strange turn.
Ominous.
That's the word, ominous.
And if you read, if you go beyond the media, which, as you and I both know, is highly, highly, highly controlled, and you read the news sources on the internet, the overseas news sources, the alternative news sources, if you read the journals, if you speak with people in the field, people are afraid out there, and they're afraid for good reason, because There's strange things afoot, and again, I don't have a keen inside track, but I'd sleep better at night if I knew what was really going on, because things just don't add up.
I mentioned Chicago earlier because I know that's where you are, isn't it?
Oh, thanks.
I send everyone to my home, why don't you?
You're in Chicago, right?
Yes.
So I made Chicago the target.
Now, here's a whopper of a question for you.
If you woke up tomorrow morning and picked up the Sun Times and the headline was, oh my God, Marburg in Chicago, what would you do?
I'd bolt the doors pretty quick.
I would get out a filter mask.
I'd put on a pair of glasses because droplets can get to you right through the membranes in your eyes.
And I would probably get out of Chicago.
Get in a car and go.
Well, I would strongly consider...
I would either consider hunkering down and staying where I was and not coming in contact
with too many people.
If there was a deliberate spread of Marburg in Chicago, or for that matter, any major U.S.
city, you know, with a very dense central population as our cities have, and it was intentionally spread in places like Subways, and I don't know, you can just imagine how horrible it really could be.
For example, here's a question, how long You might not know the answer to this.
How long might Marburg virus last on a surface, typically?
I have no idea what the latency of it, what its capacity is for maintaining viability on a non-living surface.
Alright, then let me try this little scenario on you.
Since we apparently This Marburg can be caught through aerosolized device.
If a little airplane flew over Chicago and sprayed Marburg, what are the likely results?
Catastrophic.
If this material can be spread by droplet, and I believe the chances are good that it can, if it was to be spread efficiently, Yes.
Through aerosolization, you know, from a, you know, a crop dusting plane or a spring device.
Exactly.
uh... you could potentially uh...
uh... in fact uh... hundreds of thousands of people and in the space of
the day uh...
if you were going to test and newer deadlier version of marburg
with a very very high level of good news is There's a caveat to that.
The good news is that many of these biologicals are inactivated by sunlight.
So if it was sprayed during the day and it was any reasonable exposure to high-intensity sunlight, that would tend to deactivate the virus.
Well, then they wouldn't spray it during the day.
Well, okay.
Well, let's hope they don't spray it ever.
I do hope that.
I mean, I think there's reason to be concerned.
My question was that if you wanted to test a new, even deadlier form of Marburg, which this certainly is, with the ability to spread through the air, as we now are learning this can, wouldn't you go right back to Africa, where, horrible as it would be, the world would say, oh yeah, another outbreak in Africa.
What else is new?
Well, that is a very sad fact.
The world doesn't really, you know, the world expects horrors to occur in Africa because they're happening all the time, whether it be civil wars or disease outbreaks or famine or, you know, God only knows what other miseries.
And Africa is probably a testbed, certainly a testbed for infectious disease.
So could this be, you know, could this be another example of it?
That's a good question, Art.
How hard would it be for a terrorist to go to this part of Africa and perhaps come up with a blood sample?
Probably not that difficult.
How hard would it be once you had that blood sample to culture additional quantities or big quantities of Marburg?
If you had a A biological laboratory?
Yes.
And, you know, it wouldn't have to be a terribly sophisticated biological laboratory, either.
What's going to be my next question?
How sophisticated would it have to be?
Well, not, you know... As the World Health Organization said, they sent out their samples to 4,000 laboratories around the world.
So there's at least 4,000 laboratories that are capable of handling biological tissue and probably Amplifying biological tissues.
And that's WHO approved laboratories.
So if you assume that this would not be an approved laboratory, there's probably quite a few more, it would not have to be that sophisticated.
Certainly within the reach of anyone who had access to standard microbiological technologies, hospitals technologies, you know, you would not need, this is not Star Wars stuff.
Doctor, once you've contracted Marburg, is there anything that you as a doctor can do to save that person's life?
Anything at all?
Right now, there is certainly nothing posted by the World Health Organization or the CDC with regard to treatment protocols.
Right now, there is nothing besides supportive care.
And that's not, that's not so great.
I mean, again, 90% probability of death is not, you know, a good scenario.
Now they're talking about, you know, the potential of using some newer antiviral agents and they're talking about the potential of, you know, of using heparin to inhibit the, you know, the virus eating up all the clotting factors.
But this is all experimental right now.
Nobody knows how to treat this illness.
And you would think, I'm sure they're working as hard on that as they can right now.
I mean, they obviously know what we know.
That'd be enough.
You'd have to be working hard.
Well, it's really difficult to say how much resources have been thrown at this problem.
And you also have to wonder if as many resources have been thrown at the problem as have been thrown at, perhaps, Engineering a bigger problem?
Well, we know that that's not the case.
I mean, the budget for biological warfare research is, you know, is what?
It's in the billions?
Who knows?
But, you know, I think that the online reports were saying that the World Health Organization was seeking three and a half million dollars to help control The outbreak of this illness.
I wonder if... Like billions for war and pennies for peace.
I wonder if we've recognized the threat of a potential terrorist getting hold of a sample of this to the degree that if something like this breaks out this deadly, that we've got the whole area surrounded with troops and not allowing that kind of person in, right?
Well, I don't think there is any containment going on right now.
I haven't read about any plans for containment or for screening people coming back from Africa.
To be fair, though, this is not to incite panic.
This is a problem that's in the very early stages.
This is not a pandemic.
This is not a disease that has spread beyond Of the local environs of a couple of countries in Africa.
Not that it can't, not that it couldn't spread very quickly, but so far there's no indication of that.
And again, because it kills so quickly, and this is not good news, but the not-so-bad news is that these types of viruses, these types of infections, of infection cannot become pandemic they tend to burn
themselves out very quickly that's why
you haven't seen large groups of people dying from the bola or or from other rapidly at the two leaders virus doctors
not working right another lesson it's not working right normally
a virus if i understand the way nature works uh... if it's too deadly as you point out then it's like a
little brush fire and a burns itself out because it is that you know that the
people get a dive very quickly too quickly they don't get a chance to spread
So the virus usually adapts by becoming perhaps a little less deadly.
So that it can be spread more efficiently.
But in this case, we've got two things that I don't understand.
One, this is obviously far more deadly than anything we've seen before with Marburg by a gigantic percentage.
So it's going in the wrong direction.
And number two, it would seem to have not only become more deadly, but also now be possibly spread through, as you pointed out, the air, which is such a horrible thing to even contemplate.
You know, it's very suspicious.
Oh, it's entirely suspicious.
Well, you know, all the bad news... When I was in medical school, you know, AIDS was the big news.
Because, you know, you've heard of a new disease maybe once every decade.
You know, West Nile virus was first identified in 1937.
Dengue in 1950.
in 1937, Dengue in 1950, Marburg in 1967, you know, these diseases didn't come up, you
know, like every, like today.
Today, it's almost a disease of a moth club.
And we're told so little.
I mean, for example, Doctor...
This case of all these specimens, thousands of them going out to labs by, quote, mistake, end quote.
You know, by now I would expect to see newspaper headlines, there's been an investigation, they've talked to the lab technicians, they've talked to the doctors, and the World Health Organization should be all over it, but where's the news about how the hell this happened?
That's a good question, Art.
Yeah.
And it makes you wonder why it even came out in the news at all.
Well, because the news is so heavily controlled, why did this thing even come out in the news?
Why is it being played the way it is?
And the news sources say that when they tried to talk to the people at the lab that released this material, they were on vacation, unavailable for comment.
Well, where can you go on vacation?
It doesn't have a telephone.
No, wait a minute.
Let me get this straight.
The investigators are getting the response that all the people who had to do with releasing this are On vacation?
The people who are responsible for the laboratory that produced this material and sent it out.
They're all on vacation?
That they head to the laboratory on vacation and were unavailable to comment.
Well, my goodness.
Isn't that interesting?
It just gets curiouser and curiouser and curiouser, and like so many things that are out there today, it just makes you scratch your head and wonder, and, you know, I don't know about you, Art, but I kind of feel like it's the best of all worlds, and the best of times and the worst of times, if I can paraphrase that.
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I mean, we're on the cusp of cures for cancer, Alzheimer's disease, heart disease, diabetes, Stem cell technology is taking off.
Oh, you're right.
We're going to talk about all that.
Hold on, Doctor.
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We're talking about...
Marburg.
We're going to talk about other things, but this current outbreak in Africa certainly is disturbingly suspicious.
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We have this thing called Marburg with near a 100 percent fatality rate.
Not quite, but near a hundred.
I mean just radically, incredibly up from where it was and with the new apparent added feature of being aerosolized.
In other words, droplets in the air as in a sneeze or a cough causing another person to get it.
These are radical changes and they're being under-publicized perhaps for understandable Reasons.
But, you know, here's what I worry about.
Let's develop it this way.
Doctor, you were referring to the flu and you said it was a bio-level, what did you say, 3?
Bio-level 2.
2, alright.
Bio-level 2.
And maybe it should have been a bio-level 3, but it's at least a bio-level 2.
At least a 2, alright.
With a bio-level 2 virus, if you had a vial of it, what does that mean you take in terms of security precautions?
Well, you certainly don't want to let it, you know, run around freely.
You may not have to keep it in a lab that is a high-containment laboratory, but it's a known pathogen of which there is no cure.
So, you know, you're going to take some safety precautions with that, certainly.
And it's not like you wouldn't know where the people who are handling it wouldn't know what they were dealing with.
Uh-huh.
But I think more interestingly is that these samples were sent out mislabeled.
Oh, yes.
Now, to continue, Marburg, particularly the strain now breaking out in Africa, that would be a level what?
That would be a level four.
A level four.
Same as Ebola.
So that means guys in space suits virtually?
Exactly.
Sealed rooms, over air pressure, all that kind of stuff, right?
Exactly.
Alright, so bio-level 4 danger.
Now, in America, with bio-level 4 agents, we do have the spacesuits, we have labs, we have locked, sealed, over-pressurized rooms, and that's kind of precautions people take, but somehow, see what worries me is, that's one picture in labs, where it can be safely handled, I guess.
But now, think about an African village, or villages, perhaps even in a region.
Well, see, I'm thinking, maybe as a terrorist would think, they might have a hard time getting into that Level 4 lab and stealing, but they might not have as hard a time getting to that area of Africa being stricken right now.
Right?
No, I would not imagine it would be difficult at all.
All right.
I just sort of thought of a term during the news.
Think of the term, vectoring martyrs.
All right.
Vectoring martyrs.
Now, that would only be a concerning thing, of course, if you had people willing to die for their cause.
Right?
Certainly some of these people are willing to die for their cause, yes.
Vectoring martyrs.
That's a terrible phrase and a terrible thought.
So, you know, with those things in mind, and I don't see how you can not have them in mind, shouldn't there be United Nations forces surrounding this area preventing people from getting in?
I don't know that you really can prevent it, because they don't know where the virus is.
It would be nice if the virus was confined to a nice, clean, small area.
But it's already around in several countries.
It's in Angola and in several surrounding countries as well.
So it's not that nice and neat a deal.
And that's really the problem.
Well, if people who can write novels think about these things, and talk hosts can think about these things, I imagine these inventive terrorists have thought of it long ago.
So, we may face something like this in the very near future.
Yes, we might.
And, or it may... You know, it's... It's very troubling, Art.
It's all very troubling, because it's...
You know, I'm reading a report from Chinaview Newswire, and they're talking about six additional cases found in Kwanzaa, Seoul, Zaire, Luanda, Menage, Kwanzaa, and Cambinda.
Are you talking about Marburg?
I'm talking about Marburg.
So it's already, you know, out of A discreet, small area.
So very hard to contain.
Yes, and that's the first thing the CDC always does, right?
They try to get it in a specific area and quickly, strictly, I would hope, contain it.
But you're saying it's already out of that range, huh?
Apparently so.
And I don't want people to stay up and have nightmares about Marburg coming to United States anytime soon.
I don't think there's good reason to expect that.
Not yet, anyway.
But, you know, you're absolutely right.
You know, this is a very troublesome issue.
And, you know, SARS is 75% fatal.
Bird flu is 50% fatal.
And the head of the World Health Organization is talking about if a bird flu pandemic was to strike, And the bird flu was to, that they're fighting right now in Vietnam and parts of Asia, was to find its way around the globe.
It could lead to perhaps a billion deaths.
If it were to become airborne.
Yes.
And here's another thing, doctor, that I don't get.
I've read story after story after story after story where scientists are virtually and doctors are predicting, predicting that it's going to become airborne.
I mean, it's almost like they're anticipating it's going to become airborne and telling us it's going to happen.
It's unnerving.
Indeed it is, Art.
Why would they have such strong suspicions that we get story after story after story like that?
Well, maybe somebody knows something more than I do.
It's so easy to read between your careful lines regarding what you believe and what you think.
I mean, you're obviously very suspicious about what's going on, aren't you?
Well, we live in dangerous times, Art, and it doesn't make me feel comfortable, and I just wonder if it really needs to be that way.
And certainly, there's no clear answers out there, and so all you're left with is speculation.
But signs point towards not as rosy and as promising a future as we could expect, as I thought the world would be just five years ago.
Would you travel to Africa now?
Not right now, no.
Well, I'll tell you why I wouldn't travel to Africa.
I wouldn't travel to Africa, not because of Marburg.
I mean, I don't think I'd be concerned about Marburg right now.
In fact, that would not stop me from traveling to Africa.
What concerns me is that I have some colleagues who are in Africa doing other types of biological research, separate, in part, from infectious disease.
they're doing work on, they're doing work actually at stem cell technology.
But the areas of Africa that they're at have epidemic amounts of Anopheles mosquitoes that carry malaria.
And one mosquito bite is all it takes.
And you have almost 100% risk of developing malaria unless You are taking anti-malarial drugs which in and of themselves are not safe.
Well, I was in Africa.
I went to the Kruger Animal Preserve in Africa.
And if I remember anything well and distinctly, Doctor, it was that they had gigantic mosquitoes and that even the best Little huts designed for Westerners didn't keep them out, and you had to sleep in a bed with a mosquito netting around it, and you still got the hell bit out of you when you were out.
Well, in this particular area of Africa, I won't mention where, my friends tell me that the penetration of malaria is almost 100%.
So if they're not on anti-malarial medication, They will certainly succumb to malaria, and this particular area of Africa has a 20% fatality rate among newborns.
Even the supposedly relatively safe part of Africa I was in required that I take anti-malarial medicine while, before I got there, and while I was there, and for I think five days after I left.
That's right.
There's over 10 million deaths a year, and I think that's a low number.
It may be 20 million deaths a year due to mosquito-borne illnesses, mostly malaria.
I mean, that's a huge number.
I mean, think of that.
That makes the mosquito the most deadly animal on planet Earth.
All right.
Let's turn our attention a little bit.
You mentioned... Oh, Art, before we go off this topic... Yes?
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Stem cells, how exciting should the audience regard stem cell research?
How exciting is it?
It's a breakthrough.
It's a technology that's not just great promise.
It's a technology that's already proven itself.
They're using stem cells right now in dogs.
Veterinarians are using it in dogs to cure cancer.
In horses to heal joints, damaged joints and broken limbs.
Can I back up?
Cancer is the big C, right?
You said they're using stem cells to cure cancer in dogs.
What kind of cancer and with what success rate?
Well, it's only experimental.
I can't tell you what the success rate is because it's only been a few cases.
But in the few cases that have been reported, it's been 100% successful for leukemia.
That's a wow!
Exactly.
That's a big wow.
Yeah.
You see, stem cells can rebuild the immune system of the body.
Stem cells are... We've been doing stem cell therapy for many years.
Are you referring, just for the record, to fetal stem cells in this case, or are you referring to mature stem cells?
Really, when I talk about stem cells, I'm talking about the whole spectrum.
But the argument between fetal stem cells and non-fetal stem cells, I believe, is a non-issue.
Because almost everything that you can do with fetal stem cells, you can do with adult stem cells if you modify the cells properly.
Or you can certainly do with placental stem cells, which are just as good as fetal stem cells for almost all applications.
So you don't have to ever touch a fetus.
You don't ever have to destroy a human being.
Well, if I had a fatal leukemia, could I go and get that treatment as a last resort?
If you could find a research center that was doing it, you certainly could.
We've been doing stem cell therapy for the last 30 years.
It was called bone marrow transplants.
Because guess what the bone marrow is?
It's all stem cells.
Well, right.
Okay, that's a good point.
And now we're refining the technology to make it more targeted.
Stem cells have been successful in reversing brain damage and stroke, are being used experimentally in Alzheimer's disease.
The results aren't quite in yet, but it looks promising.
There are reports of people who have been paralyzed with spinal cord injuries, very severe transfections or crush
injuries of the spinal cord, who have gotten some or in a couple of reported cases most of their
sensation and some of their function back in their limbs.
A question doctor, are these stem cells just raw stem cells
Unchanged stem cells that are what?
Injected into a human or a dog or whatever?
What are we talking about here?
Well, there are many different ways of preparing stem cells.
It's not just one way.
If you're treating neurological injuries, you want nerve stem cells.
If you're treating bone injuries, you want bone stem cells.
If you're trying to repair the heart, you want muscle stem cells.
And then there's just like the general shotgun approaches being attempted right now where people are taking placental tissue.
The afterbirth.
Yes.
And are extracting the stem cells from the placenta tissue.
The placenta is a massive amount of stem cells.
Right.
In the placenta that we just throw away after the birth.
Right.
And people are taking those stem cells now and just dropping, you know, dripping them into individuals through an IV for a shotgun approach for rejuvenation.
And what are the early reports?
The early reports are for some conditions You know, chronic fatigue, problems with immune incompetence, that this appears to have some beneficial effect.
Now, for things such as repairing the heart, you have to get right down to the heart tissue and insert a catheter into the damaged tissue and inject the stem cells right into that damaged tissue.
Where would, for example, where would one harvest, let's say, heart-friendly stem cells?
Well, you can get it from placenta.
You can differentiate the cells in the laboratory.
Okay, that's what I was after.
Yeah.
Differentiating.
In other words, you actually can pull out.
And I can only wonder how that's done.
How do you differentiate these cells?
The stem cells that you will recover from placenta are very early stage stem cells.
They're almost embryonic.
Right.
And so they have gone There's several stages of development that stem cells go through from embryonic to final tissue.
Embryonic is kind of like a blank slate stem cell.
It has not yet become a heart or a liver or a brain stem cell, right?
Exactly.
So those are valuable because they can sort of treat, blank shotgun style, any problem.
Almost any problem, yes.
Whereas the adult stem cells are much further differentiated.
So if you had adult stem cells for brain tissue, you could use it for brain, but only for brain.
You wouldn't be able to use it for stem cells.
And a treatment of stem cells for the brain would do what, doctor?
You'd actually grow more tissue?
You'd grow more nerve tissue.
You would?
Yes, you would.
You'd actually be able to bridge nerve damage in the case of stroke or in the case of severed nerves.
Wow.
And this is what's going on right now.
There's a neurosurgeon in China, in Beijing, who has reported, and this has been reported on BBC and in other news services, that he has had people who've had transected spinal cords, who these people have some degree of motion and quite a bit of sensation now because of this.
He also reports he's treated stroke successfully.
And he's treated other neurological disorders.
He's now doing a series of people with ALS, but in China.
All right, doctor, hold tight.
We're here at the bottom of the hour.
The fact of the matter is, there's a very great deal more of this kind of experimentation going on in China.
Because here, of course, we have laws against some of it.
So China is racing right ahead.
They don't have those laws.
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You know, I've always been a fan of end-of-the-world novels, which, well, in the fifties and sixties concentrated on the possibility of nuclear holocaust.
But now, there's an endless supply of things that could rather neatly, or not so neatly, end our world.
And all these things are little, and we're talking about them.
Viruses, like Marburg, now loose in Africa, like Oh, I don't know.
Perhaps something from the world of nanotechnology, or stem cell research, or somebody's newest idea of what to clone.
So many little things.
Once again, Dr. Klantz.
Doctor, welcome back.
Most of these technologies, certainly Marburg and viruses and nanotechnology, oh boy, a lot of probable, possible downsides to the world of nanotechnology.
But you know this business with stem cells?
I'm almost afraid to ask, but it nearly seems like stem cells might be an area of research.
that holds nothing but good possibilities or is there a possible downside and something to be concerned about with stem cell research?
Well, you can always pervert the most beautiful lovely thing in the world if you try hard enough and I'm sure that someone will but right now stem cells look pretty darn good I mean the science is strong The technology is strong morally, ethically, there's really no legitimate argument against it anymore.
Well, there really wasn't to begin with.
Well, that is an opinion.
I mean, in the opinion of many, of course, there was a problem with it because it was fetal.
Anyway, my point is, even from the beginning, we never had to look any further than placentas to get all the stem cells we've ever needed.
Well, then I'm afraid to ask, all right, try and imagine for me, where would there be an intentional downside, in other words, if somebody wanted to do the worst with stem cells, I didn't know there was a downside, so what would it be?
Yeah, that's my point.
I really don't know.
Oh, good.
You want to know what the downside is?
Stem cell technology is one of those technologies that could lead to potential to practical human immortality.
That's sure a big upside, but I'm just saying you don't envision any way that stem cell research could be used to concoct a new weapon.
Do you?
Not offhand, no.
It's not even a discussion point around coffee after these conferences are over.
No one's looking at that.
Good.
So I don't see stem cells having a dual-use problem associated with them.
But on the other hand, immortality could be around the corner.
It could be around the corner if those in power would let it out of the box.
Before they let other stuff out of the box.
Exactly.
It's kind of a race, right?
It's looking that way, isn't it?
Yes.
It's really looking that way.
I mean, we're on the cusp of so many fantastic new technologies.
Robotics.
It's coming on strong.
Nanotechnology has tremendous potential.
Alternative energy sources are real now.
Listen, I'm so on to nanotechnology.
I've actually talked to people now, Doctor, who confirm that there's already a paint.
You can paint your house with this paint and supply the power to your house.
Yeah, it's a paint-on-solar-cell.
You can paint the whole building.
A paint-on-solar-cell.
There's clothing already available, nanotechnology clothing that adjusts to all sorts of things.
It's amazing where it's going, but the world of nano... I just read Prey.
I don't know if that's a book you've read yet.
If you haven't, you should.
Oh yeah, no.
It's about a designer, little piece of nanotechnology, That started out to be a defense project.
In other words, defense needed a camera.
You know?
A camera.
They needed to be able to get a camera that could be airborne and couldn't be shot down.
So what they came up with was a swarm of these little nanobots, each one of them being part of a camera, taking a picture.
And this swarm, of course you can't shoot a swarm, You might get some of them, but you're not going to get them all.
Not a swarm of little teeny cameras.
And something, of course, inevitably went wrong.
It's a novel.
Things always go wrong.
And these little things had power supplies, so during the day they took energy from the sun.
They began to learn themselves.
Evolve, if you will.
And they were designed, software-wise, with a sort of predator-prey mentality.
And that's exactly, of course, what happened.
It was a frightening, frightening, but wonderful book called Prey.
Creighton wrote it, and that's sort of the downside of nanotechnology as it merges into the biological world.
Well, that's the real problem with biologicals, and why they're so horrible.
You know, why these are such horrible weapons?
Because they do have a life of their own.
And they do tend to mutate.
And they can go in different directions than you intend them to.
And as nanotechnology becomes more and more lifelike, and robotics becomes more and more lifelike, I mean, after all, we now have, you know, we started with robotic drones, airplanes, and as soon as we got airplanes that were autonomous, what's the first thing we did?
Of course!
Really?
we put missiles on them.
Of course.
You know, now South Korea is talking about having autonomous robots to guard their DMZ.
Really?
Oh, yeah. I hadn't heard that one.
Oh, well, this is kind of, like I said, this is frightening stuff.
So we live in a very strange duality right now.
And it is a race.
It is a race to the finish line because with the singularity occurring in 2029
or maybe before, with this explosion of technological knowledge that we have in front of us,
we have the power to do great good or...
We're great evil in the world.
Either to become immortal or to erase the possibility of ever becoming immortal, much less living what we consider now to be a normal lifespan.
Very true, Art.
Very true.
You've pretty much hit on the kernel of my angst.
Yes, your angst.
it's uh... it's certainly no fun to uh...
you know it's it's it's no fun to uh... people to be the last man to die
you know people who can relate it to the it's not a lot of this is hit you
fairly recently doctor
The world has changed in a very profound way in the last five, six, seven years.
Yes.
I mean, everything was go, go, go.
You know, everything was looking good.
The world was a very bright place seven years ago, for some reason.
For some very strange reason, the world is not quite as optimistic today.
Mostly because of world events.
It really is strange.
I mean, think of it.
We went from the celebration of the end of the Cold War.
The Berlin Wall comes tumbling down.
That's right.
Now we don't have to worry about atomic warfare.
We can live as one unified planet.
Well, that celebration sure didn't last very long, did it?
No.
And why is that, Art?
And why aren't they telling us why?
I'm not exactly sure.
It has something to do with the very nature of man himself, I guess.
I don't know.
I don't have the answer to that.
I was hoping you might.
Sorry, Art.
So, it's been a little bit depressing.
I mean, the headlines and where everything is going is a little depressing.
And it is a race.
Who do you think's winning?
I guess the cause of your depression indicates you're beginning to be suspicious that... You know, before the world went crazy, I thought that things were jumbled up because of greed, or stupidity, or confusion, or private interests.
But when you look at world events, you have to say, is there a hand behind some of this?
In other words, before you thought it was at least nasty but benign, and now you see a hand behind it, perhaps.
Well, I wonder.
I wonder.
I wonder why we can't get a straight story from the media, why we can't get genuine investigative reporting. I wonder about that too. Okay, I
wonder why, you know, why things seem so straightforward or not so straightforward. For example, I
was just reading on infectious disease. I was reading on a news service that AIDS could be
prevented by and large if we had a virus cycle, a lubricant for, you know, to prevent
irritation and the transmission of, you know, with the active intercourse.
Really?
Yeah.
And I talk about this, by the way, in my book, Infection Protection.
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But in my book, Infection Protection, I talk about that.
I say, you know, why couldn't we come up with a product called Love Loop?
I even gave it a name.
And it would be a lubricant that was impregnated with antiviral agents that would at least protect from... Doctor, what additional percentage of protection would be afforded by that?
Do you know?
Well, some of the researchers are talking about perhaps 80%.
80% protection, possibly.
The new services are talking about that this product is under development and it might be available in another five years.
Well, what the heck are they waiting five years for?
Why should such a product, which is topical, which is not an internally taken drug, require five years of research and development when, ostensibly, millions of people are infected and thousands are dying every year, or tens of thousands are dying every year.
Well, I thought that kind of urgent emergency need would cause such product to transcend the usual years of required testing.
One would think so, and that's just one example of things that just don't make sense.
Just like these viral test kits, you know, mistakenly being sent out to 4,000 labs with the wrong virus, with a pathogenic virus inside of it, and it being mislabeled.
There are so many things out there that don't make sense.
Well, what doesn't make sense to me, Doctor, is that this is such a mountain of a story that it's It's not sufficient for you to tell me the investigators are finding the people responsible for this are on vacation.
That doesn't work.
But that is the state of the reporting that we are given here in this country today.
Well, that's horrible.
Indeed it is.
And so you have to scratch your head and say, is this just that we have incompetent reporters?
That we have an incompetent news service?
Or is there something else going on?
What else do you imagine is going on?
Lord, I can't say.
I don't want to be number 51.
God, are you really that worried?
I mean, are you that worried that... No, I guess I'm not that worried, but I don't want to... You know, I'm still a physician and a scientist, and I have to talk from... Even though I'm happy to speculate with you, I still have to stand on Things that I can substantiate.
Anything else would be wild speculation on my part.
My point is that I'm afraid.
My point is that I'm concerned.
That I don't have answers.
And I'm used to having answers.
I'm an answer guy.
And the people that I know and respect, who are answer guys, don't have the answers either.
Things don't make sense, Art.
They don't fit.
And they should fit.
And why don't they?
and if they don't is there a reason for that
uh...
the honest puzzled as as you are Things are happening that are not explained.
And they're black things.
That's the point.
Yes.
These are black things that are happening.
Very black.
And there are solutions, but the solutions are not being applied.
Well, you know, on the one hand, it's got to be A good thing that this influenza, for example, that was shipped is big news.
You know, the mistake is big news.
What is puzzling me is that we have no answers.
Answers to how this massive mistake could have been made.
How we even had that much influenza produced to be able to send out to thousands of labs.
Where the people are, what the explanation is, none of that.
I mean, we don't have any of that.
And so, yeah, is it a lazy press?
Is it a big secret?
as the government clamped down on all of this uh...
uh...
is it just is there are we that dom .
There's a lot of silence there on the other end of the phone.
You don't have the answers either.
No, no I don't.
Our press is usually... Anybody with a discerning mind should be asking the same questions you are.
And I am.
And the problem is, I think the biggest problem is, there's nowhere to go for these answers.
You ask them, but they don't.
They don't get answered.
Yeah.
I just have the internet, which is going to give you a little more information, frankly.
In fact, sometimes too much information, so much you can't discern what's true and what's BS.
So at least it's a source outside the regular American five-minute newscast, or thirty-minute newscast, whatever you can fit in twenty-two minutes, or whatever it is, minus commercials.
So there's a little bit of overload of some information out there, but how does one pick through the wheat and the chaff and get to the kinds of answers to these questions that we need?
I don't know, and I guess you don't either, and that really scares me, because that's your biz.
Well, maybe one of your listeners knows.
Alright, well, we're going to get to that part and take a pause here pretty quickly.
Artificial organs, stem cells.
Will stem cells, Doctor, soon turn into the ability to grow artificial organs, kidneys, for example?
That is a very good question.
In a vat somewhere, you know, just a growing kidney?
Well, the trick to growing an organ is having the right scaffolding.
Being able to grow it in three dimensions.
Not just on a flat plate of tissues.
Right now we can grow a flat sheet of organ tissue very easily.
Okay.
And there are those who are working in stem cells who believe that we will be able to reseed it just as we already have.
We've reseeded the heart.
We've injected stem cells directly into the heart, reseeded it, and grown new heart tissue.
Functioning heart tissue.
Brain tissue.
That seems to be working as well.
There are those who believe that we may be able to take a damaged kidney or diseased kidney and inject stem cells directly into the kidney and repair that organ.
Stem cells certainly can be injected into the body and create a new immune system.
Doctor, is China far ahead of us in testing this kind of thing on human beings?
Oh, far, far ahead of us on our clinical studies.
Really?
Yeah, because it's so difficult.
We have a health system, in my opinion, that is broken.
That is broken and may be broken beyond repair.
It is so incredibly expensive, incredibly difficult, and incredibly time-consuming to conduct clinical research, even in cases where people are doomed.
For example, I was talking about the lubricant for HIV.
Right, exactly right.
Why the heck is that not out on the market already?
Well, we have a lot of really good questions, don't we, Doctor?
And in a moment, let's let the audience ask some really good questions themselves.
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It is, and we kind of specialize in having people at the top of their game on this program.
Dr. Ronald Klatz is clearly, clearly in that category.
So, we're going to go to the phones.
If you have a question for Dr. Klatz about any of these new biological areas of research, these wild things, the wild things, nanotechnology, cloning, we have to touch on cloning.
The Marburg virus, the dangerous things that are going on right now, the general state of the world, which is, I guess, what we've been talking about a little bit.
We're about to dive into the phones.
That means your turn.
Tomorrow night, we're going to talk more about, well, you remember, at the beginning of the program, I talked to you about the Princeton eggs, the fact they're going berserk right now, something you ought to pay close attention to, incidentally.
Very close attention.
Tomorrow night, we're going to sort of delve into that field a little more, prayer, Human consciousness, that sort of thing.
It's absolutely fascinating, the work going on at Princeton.
And it'll be in that area that we travel tomorrow night on this program.
in the meantime, Dr. Klatz and all of you coming up directly
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well thousands during the program but to give you some idea of what
there's a lot of good people in the world And this is really going to the core of what Dr. Klaps and myself have been talking about for a couple of hours right now.
There are a lot of good people in the world, but there is another element out there.
Now, I've got this cute little picture of a kitten that fell asleep on top of a ball of yarn on my webcam.
And so, somebody calling himself Craig from Flagstaff, Arizona writes to me, Hey, Jew boy!
Someone needs to slip and light an M-80 under that cat's head on the webcam.
Now, the conspiracy fruitcakes out there have thought that I, uh, they're just certain that I'm Jewish.
There's web pages devoted to it out there.
I'm not, by the way.
I'm Lutheran.
But, you know, that fits in their category of vicious hate thinking, you know?
And that's the kind of vicious hate thinking that's going on out there.
Hey, Jew boy, someone needs to slip and light an M-80 under that cat's head on the webcam.
Thanks, Greg.
Yeah, that's cool.
See, those are the kind of people, Dr. Klatz, that we're in a race with, you know?
Well, I wish it was that simple, Art.
Those people don't bother me so much.
I mean, I shouldn't say they don't bother me.
They don't scare me as much as the people I think we are in a race with, and that's people who have a completely separate agenda for Uh, which way the world is going.
Yeah, Doctor.
But these people hate.
Oh, I know, I know.
I don't... I'm just telling you... I don't like them.
I don't condone them any more than you do.
Yeah, I'm just telling you that there's an atmosphere of hatred out there that's so deep and so, dare I use the word, evil.
Yeah.
And it's unnecessary.
That's the whole thing.
I know.
That's the whole thing.
The world doesn't need to be... There's no need for hate anymore.
There's plenty enough to go around for everyone.
There's an amazing abundance.
But this is the most perplexing aspect of the whole thing.
As we race toward these wonderful possibilities that you describe so enthusiastically, Um, we're also in the race with these idiots who want everything destroyed.
They really do.
I'm believing they want everything destroyed.
Anyway, it was just an example of a kind of evil-minded, horrid Before we end tonight, we really should talk about the Codex and the risk to personal health freedoms.
What is the Codex?
The Codex is the European Code for Food Safety.
It's kind of like the equivalent of the European FDA.
The Elementarium is the European code for food safety.
And it's kind of like the code for the equivalent of the European FDA.
Okay.
And the Codex is important because it establishes what are safe levels of various foods or nutrients.
And the codex that is being pushed forward in the European Parliament, the new codex, uh, is essentially trying to relabel all foods that have a therapeutic, uh, effect as drugs.
What?
Yes.
Meaning you'd have to go to the doctor to get a prescription for apples?
Well, if you wanted the active ingredient in apples, yes indeed.
If you wanted to buy high-potency vitamin C, you would need a prescription for it.
You do now, by the way, in several European countries because of the existing codex rules.
And this is being pushed forward by the pharmaceutical industry.
And by the total control power people who want to essentially control everyone's health destiny.
And it flies in the face of the shay which has given us tremendous freedoms with regard to nutritional and personal health issues in the United States.
And the FDA has come along and stated publicly that they intend to harmonize their rules in accordance with Codex.
So if Codex passes for all of Europe, it would essentially ban any high-dose nutrient, 5,000 nutrients that are available in health food stores all over the United States.
Would be considered illegal in Europe.
Doctor, we already hear of SWAT teams batting down the doors of health food stores around the country.
You see these weird stories of this stuff going on, right?
Yes.
And the doors are getting bashed in for what?
Good question.
Well, the latest, you know, there's all these little scares.
You know, ephedra was dangerous.
Even though ephedra was used in medicine and by the public for the last 2,000 years, suddenly ephedra was this demonized drug that had to be banned by the FDA.
Yeah, I saw that.
Florida, just this last week, a judge overruled the FDA's opinion and is now calling their opinions overbroad.
But there is a concerted effort on the part of some individuals who want to control all of your healthcare destiny to deny you freedom of choice in nutrients or even in foods.
And your listeners need to pay attention to this because it will affect us for the United States if it passes in Europe.
Now luckily, we have a slight reprieve because there was a suit brought against this in the European High Court.
And, uh, quite surprisingly, the, uh, Chief Justice of the European High Court said that, uh, the Codex rulings, uh, were, uh, arbitrary and overbroad and overreaching, and he recommended that they not be passed.
But that doesn't mean that they won't be passed.
And if they are, then an ample a day is going to require a doctor.
Almost certainly.
Good Lord.
All right.
And this information, by the way, about the Codex and the Health Care Freedoms is available at, of course, www.worldhealth.net.
Well, I'll bet they're humming right over to that website.
I hope you've got the bandwidth to contend with it, because we've got a lot of notches on our We've Killed a Website log.
Hi, anyway, listen, we promised calls, so here they come.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Klatz.
Hi.
Hi, Dr. Klatz and Art.
Good to talk to you.
And you.
I have one of your books, The Anti-Aging Revolution.
It's pretty good.
Thank you.
I have a comment and a question.
My comment is I think pretty much the same people that are behind eliminating the biochemists are probably the same people that Have the vanishing virus.
I think they're going to give us another world disease and this is just a way of blaming some poor guy in a lab so that maybe they can give us a new outbreak and make money for the pharmaceuticals.
That's my opinion.
Just like AIDS.
I think AIDS was manufactured by man.
Pretty cynical.
We have to talk to the right people that know the inside story.
What I wanted to ask you was, last week Art was talking about, a lady was on the phone saying how meat can cause Alzheimer's, can cause cancer, and what do you think about eating beef?
Well, there are of course some people who believe, Dr. Glatz, that Alzheimer's is really a BSD, you know, Mad Cow.
Well, there is an awful lot to be concerned about with Mad Cow disease, Pyron disease.
And the pyron particles look suspiciously like the neurotangles that do occur and are papnemonic of the lesions for Alzheimer's disease.
And that connection has not been disproven as of yet.
And so there are people who are concerned about that, and there are people who are concerned that the United States is not really testing its cattle for pyron disease.
And the only beef that I would eat today would be beef from Japan, because 100% of their cattle is tested for pyron disease.
You don't eat beef?
Not anymore, and boy, I love my McDonald's burgers.
Oh, man, me too.
I love those steaks, and I've given them up.
I just, I can't take the risk.
Ma'am, there you are.
Thank you, Art, and I think the guy that left you that note is just a very unevolved teenager.
Yeah, but you know, it just indicates, I guess, what mindsets are out there, and some of them are very evil and very hateful.
You know, when these people are in positions of... Why do you think these... Do you think, first of all, doctor, that an abnormal number of microbiologists and scientists have been murdered, or is it just somebody keeping, you know, Good records?
Well, I can't figure it out.
Well, I'll tell you, you know, at first I started thinking, well, you know, there's a lot of, you know, scientists out there.
This isn't, you know, you know, 50, 50 deaths in the last three, four years isn't so unusual.
But when you look at how these people died, uh, many of them being murders, suspicious suicides, one guy being chopped up into little pieces and chopped into, uh, three different, uh, uh, suitcases.
You kind of go, what is happening here?
And a suspicious amount of them are involved in microbiology, and associated with government-sponsored research.
But you must have colleagues who are in those, in the fields of microbiology.
Yes.
Right?
Are they, let me ask you this honestly, have you talked with them privately, and are they privately concerned about these stories?
Most of them are unaware, but the ones who are aware have raised their eyebrows.
I don't have a tremendous amount of contacts who are involved in the types of microbiology that would be sensitive.
Most of my contacts are in clinical medicine, and so I don't deal in those dark realms where secrecy is a big issue.
But even the guys I talk to in clinical medicine, Raise your eyebrows once I make them aware of this, and they see the numbers, because these numbers are, you know, alarming.
Especially the types of death that you see, because these are relatively young people.
You're the first doctor that I've heard say this in public.
Well, maybe I'm just foolish.
No.
You have a way of squeezing it out of me, Art.
Well, you really are the first doctor who's said this out loud.
So I appreciate it.
And again, I'm not saying that there absolutely is something to it, but it deserves an explanation.
Let's put it that way.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dr. Klatz.
Good morning.
Good morning, Art.
Hi, Dr. Klatz.
I'm also from Chicago.
My question to you is, has there been any research done that you know of as far as the Marburg virus having been possibly lab-created?
Yeah, you know that's a really good question.
I think there are, let me ask this doctor, are there ways of looking at a virus and saying, ho ho, that's man, man's hand is obviously involved here, or can it be ruled out?
There are ways to sequence tissues or sequence genetics in an organism and see how closely or not so closely those sequences occur in nature.
And if there's a real aberration, you know, does this fit?
Uh, there are ways of doing that, but again, it's outside of my area of expertise.
I'm not involved in those types of forensics.
But wait a minute, you're saying there is a way... There are ways to get indications.
But there's not, I don't think there is an absolute 100% way to say yes, this occurred by the hand of man or this occurred by nature.
There are things that make you suspicious if you see sequences that don't occur within nature.
Alright, let's take the AIDS virus for example.
There are so many suspicious things about that.
It was discussed at a Congressional or a Senate hearing.
You know, that's well known that such a virus could be constructed.
Prior to its emergence, I might add.
Another thing to make sure of.
So the answer is there are indications that you could come up with, but no absolute smoking gun proof?
Not that I'm aware of, but again, it's beyond my level of sophistication and expertise.
Passing knowledge of these things, but not a detailed understanding of forensics.
You know, the person who would be great to talk to is Dr. Duesenberg.
I have interviewed Dr. Duesenberg, as a matter of fact, and I might reach out and look for him again.
Caller, does that answer your question?
Yes, it does, and I have one final statement real quickly.
Sure.
I don't know if the doctor is aware that the vast warfare arsenal that the Soviet Union has had in the past is still in Russia and these are viruses that have been combined together where there is no cure for them.
If they are ever used on the United States, we are in deep, deep trouble because there is no cure and they keep modifying themselves.
So I want people to keep in mind that Russia has never disposed of their biological arsenal.
But of course, there's one aspect here.
If there's no cure, truly no cure, then you'd have to think many times before you release something that would be suicidal.
That's so true.
Very true.
And if Russia has it, then I guess that means we have it too, huh?
I hear that we have been disposing of ours.
I don't know how true that is, but that's the latest information that I have.
But then there would be a doomsday virus gap, so... Well, this is true, but let's hope that it's never used again.
One final statement.
I have to wonder if we are not our own worst enemy, Doctor, and I would agree with everything you have said.
I'm very suspicious.
Well, that makes, I think, three of us.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, caller, and take care.
One more, perhaps.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Klatt.
Hello.
Yes, my name is Stephen, calling from North Miami Beach, Florida.
All right.
And the question I have, based on everything that you've talked about tonight, it's a really good question.
In your, well, the first, actually, the question I should ask first, really, is has anyone asked the FBI if they've looked into this Distribution of that virus in the thousands of labs around the world.
Because that's a crime.
Good question.
But potentially it is, I suppose.
Or it could be an accident.
Yeah, that's what we're asking that question.
Has anybody... We don't know.
They're not telling us, sir.
Has there been anything in the news about it?
No, I'm looking all over the place in the news for some answers to this.
I don't think... The news is very sparse on this topic.
Yeah.
And the next question is associated with that.
With these people on vacation, and no one checks the FBI, and no government statement has come out about this.
In your opinion, based on everything that's been happening since 9-11, including what you've talked about tonight, does it look to you, including the deaths of 50 microbiologists in the last four years, does it look to you like this present administration really cares about what happens The people around the world, even in this country.
All right, all right, all right.
Hold that answer, doctor, until after the break.
It's a, is George Bush doing it question?
I guess, right?
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Boy, I'll tell you, this music is so appropriate, isn't it, for the material we're covering?
On the one hand, The world stands at the juncture of a wonderful, wonderful advance in so many areas of medicine that might keep us alive forever.
And at that exact moment, as we're at that precipice, we also face the extinction of mankind.
It's incredible, both at once.
Once again, Dr. Ronald Klatts, and he's absolutely earned the opportunity to plug the heck out
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Okay.
If I may ask, Doctor, you certainly in the prior appearances on this program have been an extremely optimistic man, and I know that at heart you still are.
How many, although I must say recently you seem very concerned, and I wonder how many of your colleagues privately share your concerns?
Oh, it's way too many.
Really?
Yeah, it's scary art.
It's like the Matrix, only I should have not opted for the red pill.
It's really, really strange.
When you start looking at what's going on out there, so much of it just doesn't make sense.
When your doctor's worried, folks, you ought to be worried.
Usually doctors are quiet guys with great bedside manners and they're telling you that all is going to be well and you're getting better.
That's the usual line, right?
Yeah, and I don't want to cause people to be unduly concerned, but people need to be aware because something has to change and it's going to take all of us, I mean all of us, because the leadership to make this thing happen It's not going to happen from the guys who are in power.
This has got to be a global event.
People have to wake up and start taking charge of their own health care, their own health destiny, and our place on the planet.
We have to be looking at a pro-life.
Well, that takes us back to what the caller asked prior to the break, and that basically boiled down to a did George Bush do it question.
Well, thank you, Art.
I really appreciate that.
Well, he did ask.
He did ask, so let me answer it this way.
I can only hope and pray that those men who are in control of our very lives are men of goodwill and humane conscience.
and are acting in the best interest of us all.
May God protect us.
First time caller on the air with Dr. Ronald Claps.
Good morning.
Yes.
I want to ask, what kind of psychological profile is done on some of these biologists
to make sure when they're going and do research that they're not harboring either some jihadist type
feelings or racial type hatred.
My God, is that a good question.
Yeah.
I got it.
I've got it, sir.
Thank you.
It's a superb question.
When we send up space astronauts, astronauts into space, rather, we give them a battery of psychological tests to determine they're not going to likely will not go berserk once they get up on the International Space Station or whatever.
So, people working with these little horrors that we've been talking about, Dr. Klatz, are they required to pass any sort of psychological certification?
That's an interesting question.
Oh, it sure is.
I know to get into medical school they put you through all kinds of psychological aptitude testing, but I don't believe there's any of that involved in PhD programs in microbiology, so I would have to say there is none to my knowledge.
Oh, gee.
Okay, wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. Klatt.
Top of the morning.
Hello.
Hello.
All right.
I was... I mean, as far as natural thinning out, right now we've overpopulated the earth enough that we don't have enough minerals in the ground to actually grow the crops to give people what they need to keep them healthy.
The world is, as far as pollution and everything else, we've just... We're getting to the point where we're It's a hard stretch to actually keep people healthy on its own.
Are you suggesting that the thinning out, or the culling, if you will, of the world's population might not be such bad ideas?
How are you going?
In the long run, for the actual longevity of mankind before something... I mean, if you look at all other animals, any animal that overpopulated as much as we have would have been extinct a long time ago.
All righty, there you have it, straight out, Dr. Klatz.
Perhaps the world's population needs to be culled.
Well, it's a pretty hard thought, isn't it?
That's really not, you know, that's so antithetical of, you know, those of us who have training in medicine and in the sciences.
We're here to preserve life and to extend life, not to limit life.
And it really doesn't have to be, because the planet will reach a maximum, the projections are the planet will reach a maximum of about 8 billion people, and then it will start to reverse.
If the technologies that are in play, anti-aging technologies, biotechnologies that will lead to improved healthcare, are extended globally.
So the concern of the overpopulation issue with regard to anti-aging or even biotechnology is really, I don't think will come to be.
Yeah, but you just talked to a guy who thinks, and he sounded reasonably intelligent, obviously believes very strongly that a culling of the population is in order.
So that kind of thinking, it may not be public a lot, but it's out there, obviously.
Well, there are There are those who have suggested that the planet should have a few billion less people on it than it does today.
I'm not a proponent of that, and I would hate to think that there are There are forces at work trying to consciously achieve that goal.
Well, I would think at the very least that people who would have that goal might not become, or perhaps shouldn't become, microbiologists in this modern day and age, or at least there ought to be a psychological test, as the caller mentioned, for people into that field.
Not a bad suggestion, Art.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Ronald Klatz.
Good morning.
Good morning.
I was curious about Banned vitamins, in particular a vitamin I heard of in a book I read was D13 erotic acid.
I was wondering if you heard of that one and if there's a listing of various vitamins or nutrient supplements that are banned or under threat of being banned on his website.
No, there's not on the website, but if you look up Codex on the internet, You can read about the levels that they are suggesting.
All right, that would be CODEX.
Right.
There's a tremendous amount of information out there because it's being pushed very, very heavily by the European pharmaceutical companies.
And the suggestion is that almost everything that's in the GNC or health food store down the block Is this all for financial motive in your opinion?
In other words, you make things available only through prescription and then you get a lot more doctor visits.
Is that the motive behind this or is there more?
I think it's an issue of global control.
I think it's an issue of finance and global control.
Alternative health care, and I don't really like the term alternative health care, but you know, people using nutritional therapies and managing themselves, their own health care, is, in the opinion of certain factions in the pharmaceutical industry, is not a good thing.
And for every dollar that's spent on On nutritional therapies, it could be construed as costing the pharmaceutical industry $10 to $20.
In those countries where Codex is the law of the land, Germany and the Netherlands, a bottle of zinc supplements that would cost $4 here is now selling for $56.
All right.
I get the idea.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Klass.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Hi.
I really appreciate your discussion and would like your expert opinions on what I'm reading about nanobacteria.
Okay.
I can hear you, but you're going to have to get a little louder.
What about nanobacteria?
Well, I'm reading that two separate reports in the Journal of Proteome Research say that nanobacteria in rain clouds Could be contributing to diseases around the world, and that nanobacteria have now been identified in humans on four continents.
Wow.
And I was wondering if you guys had seen that.
This guy hasn't.
How about you, Doctor?
I have.
Nanobacteria is still controversial.
They're very small, vanishingly small bacteria that really shouldn't, you know, that don't really fit into the category of bacteria because they're so small.
But they sequester calcium and it's believed that they're the cause of kidney stones and maybe the cause of calcium depositing in the coronary arteries.
That these bacteria, you know, they're ubiquitous and they are calcium fixing.
And may be the underlying cause of some of these degenerative diseases of aging.
And they're concerned about nanobacteria.
Interestingly enough, NASA did a study on the growth of nanobacteria because in a weightless environment they explode in their growth cycle.
But Doctor, she just said, nanobacteriological presence has been detected in humans on four continents.
Good God!
Well, it's all, it's throughout people.
The article she's referring to is they've apparently found metabacteria in clouds.
And that it's actually, you know, being, you know, it's actually raining down on people.
In clouds now?
How?
But this is a natural bug that the participants called out of that you have not
talked about somebody cooked up a dollar right this has been in the environment
for for forever as we've just discovered it the last though fifteen years
or so and we're sure that what we've discovered is only natural
oh yes we believe it's not true I it almost certainly is because people can
have kidney stones and arthro not risk arosu forever yeah right okay man
well thank you so much and I'm at one of the people controversy about
I don't want to say that it's absolutely for real.
There are still some microbiologists who are not convinced that nanobacteria are, in fact, a separate class of bug and that they do everything that I've talked about, but that's the way the literature is leaning right now.
Thank you so much for mentioning Codex, also.
I wouldn't be able to talk tonight if I couldn't use quercetin for my sinuses.
Great!
It's something that will affect everyone's life.
Alright, thank you.
Thank you, bye.
And have a good night.
Hello there, you're on the air with Dr. Klatz.
Good morning.
Good morning, guys.
Good morning.
I'm calling from Columbus, Ohio, and my question is to the doctor.
What can I do to protect my family and my children, specifically under the age of three, from a chemical or biological attack?
Oh boy, that's a good question, actually.
It's a great question, but it would take Someone who's more expert in NBC than I am.
The best thing you can do that I can give you, my advice that I would give a patient, is keep your immune system high.
Do whatever you can to boost your immunity.
And there are ways of doing that.
But having said that, and I certainly agree with you, a strong immune system is probably the best defense.
He's talking about an attack, something as horrible, for example, as Marburg.
Might as well face it, it could happen.
Yeah, well... Sounds like you've got a... or somebody's got... Oh, I see.
Okay, go ahead, Gollar.
You know, again, this is not my area of expertise, and if there is an attack like this, we're all in trouble, because the...
These biological agents are extremely lethal, and all you can do is try and get away from the area that has been released.
Yeah, I did ask earlier, and he said he'd put on a barrier, you know, on his face, breathing, and get the hell out of town.
All right, so a tent or something like that wouldn't be a really good idea for a child?
Just pack your family up, get in the old station wagon, and hit the highway?
Well, it depends.
You know, you may not be able to get out, and if you can't get out, then building Uh, you know, rooms within rooms within rooms to try and limit exposure to, uh, you know, protect the, you know, air and that sort of thing is, uh, it would be helpful.
Uh, with Marburg, uh, specifically, all you'd have to do is make sure that no one came in contact with you either, uh, by droplet or aerosol or by touch.
Uh, and so I'd lock the door and I would stay inside and, uh, try and weather it until it burnt itself out because these... Have you prepared yourself to do that?
No, I have not.
I don't see Marburg as an issue for us in the United States as an infectious disease risk with what's happening in Africa.
But of course, if it was to become weaponized and used against the public, that's a completely different issue.
In which case, God save us all.
Right.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Klatz.
Good morning.
Hi.
Good morning, doctor.
Good morning, Art.
Hi, just a couple quick comments and a question.
Number one, I really do believe there is a cure for cancer, but the pharmacist is holding it back.
Oh, he just agreed with you.
Excellent, excellent.
Hold on a second.
If there's a cure for cancer, let's hear it.
Well, I mean, there's things at work right now.
You know, we talked about the stem cells with leukemia.
There are experimental things that are working right now.
There are people who get cured of cancer every day.
90% of all stage 1 cancers are in fact curable.
Stage 1 cancer is when you've caught it about the size of a pea or smaller.
You can cut that out or burn it out or freeze it out and eliminate it and it will never develop into anything else.
You know, but do people, how many people go through the kind of cancer screening that would allow them to find cancer at stage one?
Almost none.
Almost none, but if you don't die of cancer, you can add an extra three, four, maybe six years to your average lifespan.
So there are things that we can do now, but I think the caller is talking about, you know, a more generalized universal cure, which I'm not quite sure is available yet, but if it is, I'd like
to know about it.
Ma'am?
Yeah, and also, the other comment was I was watching local news today, and they had mentioned
something about finding some sort of cancer-causing agent in toothpaste.
And I'm wondering what your opinion is on that.
And also, I'll get my question done and hang up.
Do you foresee in the future, along with stem cell research, some sort of booster shot you
could take in adulthood, basically like for a body cleansing?
And that's my comment.
And I'll hang up.
Thanks.
All right.
You bet.
Doctor?
Okay, uh, which one, Art?
Oh, I don't know.
Whichever one you like.
A general body cleansing, for example?
Well, I don't know that one shot is gonna do that.
I mean, uh, your body cleansing, uh, needs to be done over a period of time and you need to be
doing it constantly because we're constantly exposed to toxins in our
environment.
Water tap water alone, according to the EPA, is responsible for 30,000 deaths a year from kidney and urinary
tract cancer.
Okay, so I mean just the fluoride and the chlorides and the bromines that occur and the chemicals that occur within the water supply.
The way you talked about toothpaste, it's been known for some time that some of the chemical agents that are used as preservatives and are used as Thank you for being here.
types of aesthetic agents in cosmetics might be mildly carcinogenic.
And so the argument has been in natural health food circles is to use only natural products.
Doctor, we're out of time.
That's it, buddy.
We're done.
We're way out of time.
Thank you for being here.
Okay, I...
You will be back.
And the World Health Net?
WorldHealth.net.
All right.
Take care, buddy.
Okay.
Live long and well, Art.
Good night.
Good night.
See you all tomorrow night.
We'll talk about consciousness and prayer and stuff.
From the high deserts, in the darkness, good night.
Midnight in the desert, shooting stars across the sky This magical journey, will take us on a ride
Filled with the longing, searching for the truth.
Will we make it till tomorrow?
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