Russell Targ, physicist and ex-Stanford Research Institute remote viewer, reveals how the CIA’s $20M psychic intelligence program (1975–1995) aimed to prevent Cold War escalation but was shut down due to political pressure. He discusses real-world successes—like predicting a missile strike on a destroyer—and critiques Ed Dames’ unverified forecasts, emphasizing remote viewing’s near-term predictive power over distant threats like avian flu, which he believes may be mitigated by vaccine development. Targ argues psychic abilities transcend ordinary causality, citing precognitive dreams and out-of-body experiences, while dismissing misuse concerns as self-limiting. His work suggests these tools could reshape intelligence and science if embraced beyond institutional skepticism. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's time zones, every single one of them, covered like a blanket by this program, Coast to Coast AM.
It is my honor and privilege to be here to escort you through the weekend.
And incidentally, there were a number of people who wrote and said, Well, why did you have Chris Moneymaker on?
That isn't what Coast to Coast does.
These must be fairly recent listeners.
Over the years, I have done all kinds of programs.
Even though we perhaps center on the paranormal here, it's by no means the only place we go.
And I've always done exactly what I thought was interesting, whatever it was, from country and western stars that I've interviewed to, I don't know, all kinds of people across the board.
So those people who have it fixed in their head somehow, and for some reason wrongly, that Coast is only about the paranormal, wrong.
Yes, a lot of it is.
I'm going to skip the world news tonight, you know, the official Associated Press or whatever world news, and go directly to the things that I think are important.
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And this is one I really...
I'm not a psychic, and don't claim to be, but I have a really bad feeling about this.
You can locate what I'm about to read on the Drudge report for yourself if you wish to, but here it is.
Avian flu on the verge of an epidemic.
The vicious avian flu that has killed dozens of people now in Vietnam, Thailand, and elsewhere in the region has caused the deaths of hundreds of millions now, hundreds of millions of animals in nearly a dozen Asian countries in the past two years, could kill millions of people should it become capable of spreading efficiently among humans.
So according to Michael Spector reporting in Nature's bioterrorist, that's in the February 28th, 2005 issue of the New Yorker. Quote, no such virus has ever spread so quickly over such a wide geographical area, Specter notes.
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And unlike most viruses, he says this one has already affected a more diverse group than any other type of flu.
The vets were here the week before to check them, and then the next day they're dying by the thousands.
It happened so quickly.
They started shivering, thousands of them at once, and then they started to fall, every one of them.
They just fell over dead.
Scott Dowell, the director of the Centers for Disease Control's Thailand Office, tells Specter, quote, the world, listen to these words, the world just has no idea what it's going to see if this thing comes.
When, really, it's when.
I don't think we can afford the luxury of the word if anymore.
Robert Webster, a virologist at St. Jude's Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, who's been studying avian flu influenza for decades now, is even more stark.
He says, quote, this is the worst flu virus I've ever seen or worked with or even read about.
He says, we have to prepare as if we were going to war, and the public needs to understand that clearly.
This virus is playing its role as a natural bioterrorist.
The politicians are going to say Chicken Little is at it again.
And if I'm wrong, then thank God.
But if it does happen, and I fully expect that it will, there'll be no place for any of us to hide.
Not in the United States, nor Europe, or in the bunker, somewhere, nowhere, nowhere to hide.
The virus is a very promiscuous and effective killer.
Not all politicians have ignored the threat.
When Tommy Thompson, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, announced his resignation last December, he cited an avian influenza epidemic as one of the greatest dangers the U.S. faces.
The World Health Organization's conservative estimate of the number of deaths that an epidemic would cause is 7 million worldwide.
Michael Osterholm, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, calculates that a pandemic on the scale of the devastating global influenza epidemic of 1918 would kill at least 180 million people today.
Spectre reports on the efforts of health officials in the U.S. and Thailand and other countries that contain the virus and are doing the best job they can.
Millions of animals have been ordered slaughtered.
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Now, I've been reading stories to you about this for weeks, but this is the most worrisome yet.
It's like they absolutely expect it to jump species, and they expect it to become airborne, and they expect it to become as bad as, for example, the 1918 flu and perhaps even more deadly.
It's got some terrible, something like a 75% mortality rate or something.
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I'm worried about this.
And maybe it will come to naught.
I hope so.
Wonder how you feel about it.
And then this.
This is from the Independent, by the way, in Great Britain, and the headline is, The final proof global warming is a man-made disaster.
Scientists have found the first unequivocal link between man-made greenhouse gases and a dramatic heating of the Earth's oceans.
The researchers, many funded by the U.S. government, have seen what they describe as, quote, stunning correlations between a rise in ocean temperature over the past 40 years and pollution of the atmosphere.
The study destroys a central argument of global warming skeptics within the Bush administration.
That is to say, that climate change could be a natural phenomenon.
It should convince George Bush to drop his objections to the Kyoto Treaty on Climate Change, say the scientists.
Tim Barnett, a marine physicist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in San Diego, very prestigious, and a leading member of the team, said, quote, we've got a serious problem, end quote.
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The debate no longer, is there a global warming signal?
Debate now is, what are we going to do about it?
The findings are crucial because much of the evidence of a warmer world until now has been from air temperatures.
Well, we could, but if we did, it would be absolute disaster for us.
So no president in his right mind is going to say, well, you know, everybody back to horse and buggies.
That's not going to happen.
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And I don't know what is going to happen, but I suppose the administration realistically looks at it and says, you know, not a hell of a lot we can do.
The article is entitled, Can this Black Box See Into the Future?
Deep in the basement of a dusty university library in Edinburgh lies a small black box, roughly the size of two cigarette packets side by side, that churns out random numbers in an endless stream.
At first, it is a rather unremarkable piece of equipment.
Encased in metal, it contains, at its very heart, a microchip more complex, or no more complex, actually, than ones found in modern pocket calculators.
But according to a growing band of top scientists, the box has quite extraordinary powers indeed.
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It is, they claim, the eye of a machine that appears capable of peering into the future and predicting major world events.
The machine apparently sensed the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center four hours before they occurred.
But in the fevered mood of conspiracy theories of the time, the claims were swiftly knocked back by skeptics.
Ah, but last December, it also appeared to forewarn of the Asian tsunami just before the deep sea earthquake that precipitated the epic tragedy.
Now, even the doubters are beginning to acknowledge that here is a small black box that apparently does, in fact, have inexplicable powers.
It's earth-shattering stuff.
That's a quote from Dr. Roger Nelson, emeritus researcher at Princeton University in the U.S., who is heading the research project behind the black box phenomenon.
That's what they're now calling it.
He says, We're very early in the process of trying to figure out what's going on here.
At the moment, we're stabbing in the dark.
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Dr. Nelson's investigations called the Global Consciousness Project were originally hosted by Princeton University and are centered on one of the most extraordinary experiments of all time.
Its aim is to detect whether all of humanity shares a single subconscious mind that we can all tap into without realizing.
And machines like the Edinburgh Black Box have thrown up tantalizing possibilities.
That is, that scientists may have unwittingly discovered a way of actually predicting the future.
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Although many would consider the project's aims to be little more than fool's gold, it still now has attracted a roster of 75 respected scientists from 41 different nations.
Researchers from Princeton, where Einstein spent much of his career, work right alongside scientists from universities in Britain, the Netherlands, Switzerland, and Germany.
The project is also the most rigorous and longest-running investigation ever into the potential powers of the paranormal.
So, for those of you who have been following this incredible story into monitoring the consciousness, the collective consciousness of those here on Earth, there you have it.
The latest is the spike went right off the chart again before the earthquake, just before the earthquake that created the tsunami.
thought you'd want that update.
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Incidentally, as you consider the oceans warming...
because they are the recipient of 90% of the warming from the greenhouse gases, if that article is accurate, and I presume it is, just might account for the seemingly somewhat different weather patterns.
Now, the Los Angeles, Southern California area, even up into central California, is getting slammed, absolutely slammed with moisture.
And here in the desert, I mean, I'm in Sirius Desert.
You've got to remember that.
I'm in a place called Perump, Nevada, you know, 20 miles or so from Death Valley.
And this should be, well, the driest part of the country, really.
And we have already come very close to exceeding our totals for any normal year, and we had done that in a couple of months prior to the change of year.
So we have had so much water that people here are talking arcs, you know, that kind of deal out there and start nailing together an arc.
And the desert here is turning green.
This looks like one great big golf course out here.
I mean, everything green, every little seed that's been in the earth for a million years and hasn't grown, is now growing.
While in Oregon, Washington, the American Northwest, they're beginning to get awfully dry.
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All that moisture that should be there instead is here, and the desert does not look at all like the desert.
Now, I'm sure, well, I would imagine, anyway, we will return to the appropriate sort of dry weather.
However, what if it didn't?
Before you know what, we'd be growing redwood trees here.
And the redwood trees in Northern California, in the northwest part of the country, boy, they'd all be drying up and falling over, and the landscape would be getting desert-like.
But, of course, that could never happen.
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Now, a lot of ham radio operators have been wondering what has been negatively affecting the ability to communicate with the people they normally communicate with.
So we have man's hand dipping about and fooling around with the ionosphere.
And then here's candidate number two: a huge explosion halfway across the galaxy packed so much power, it briefly altered Earth's upper atmosphere in December, according to astronomers.
This was one they laid on us Friday.
No known eruption beyond our solar system has ever appeared as bright upon arrival.
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But you couldn't have seen it, not unless you had X-ray vision, like Superman.
In gamma rays, the event equaled the brightness of the full moon's reflected visible light, if you could have seen it.
The blast, get this, folks, originated 50,000 light-years away and was detected December 27th.
These fast-spinning compact stellar corpses, that's what they are, dead stars, no larger than, say, a big city, create very, very intense magnetic fields that trigger explosions.
The blast was 100 times more powerful than any similar eruption ever witnessed, according to David Palmer of Los Alamos National Laboratories.
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One of the researchers, in other words, this thing was so strong that it actually collapsed to some degree our upper atmosphere.
And it was sufficient, no doubt, to disrupt communications and do what normally you would only associate with sun flares and that kind of activity, you know, hitting the ionosphere.
In this case, what happened was 50,000 light years ago.
50,000 years ago is the way to think about it.
Big Bang.
A pair of NASA scientists told a group of space officials, you may have heard last week at a private meeting, that they've now found strong evidence that life may exist in Mars.
It was a big announcement: whoa, you know, life on Mars.
We have found life on Mars.
And then one day later, the naysayers came along and said, well, no, wait a minute, maybe not.
So I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Of course, the week brought news of the North Koreans not wanting to participate in the six-party talks and claiming they now have their own nuclear devices ready to go.
And I don't know, echoes of Major Ed Dames, huh?
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Oh, and this, Justin, as they say.
Some New Mexicans say it's the weirdest thing they've ever seen.
A creature, that's the best word to describe it, found on Albuquerque's West Mesa.
Art, just in time for Coast to Coast AM returns to KFI, Los Angeles.
The Los Angeles Times reported Sunday a very large creature weighing 400 to 600 pounds had entered the Simi Valley area and crossed the freeway near a pasture to California 23.
The terrestrial creature was leaving saucer-sized pawprints, saucer-sized, between Simi Valley and Moore Park, northwest of Los Angeles, consisting of four toes six inches long.
An animal resembling a lion had been seen by numerous residents there.
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So something going on in Southern California.
Creatures everywhere.
Whatever in the hell it is in the Simi Valley area, it's been ruled out as being, for example, a, quote, freakishly overgrown mountain lion, end quote.
They don't know what it is, but it's something big.
On Monday morning, a commuter, a businessman, was on the way to Atlanta, Hartsville, Jackson Airport.
And, of course, they were still going real slow.
The ice was still there sparsely.
And he noticed something in the median as he was passing it.
And he thought it looked like a small animal stuck in between the median.
So he got ahead, went in and got to the airport, parked, went inside, and after he got checked into security, he was trying to call Animal Control or the Atlanta Police Department or somebody to go and check this out.
Whether he did it or whether they did or not, nobody knows.
But at any rate, he got on his flight, flew to L.A., and when he got to L.A., called, of course, called his family, told him he'd made it to L.A.R.I.
And was telling a story to his mother who was babysitting one of his daughters.
And back in Atlanta, she decided to get back in her car.
And this is the amazing part.
She decided to get back in her car with her granddaughter.
And they went and they tried to find the small animal that had this orange reflective collar on it.
They found this little eight-week-old kitty in the median, stuck in between two little poles.
And that cat, now this is really going to knock you out.
There was a number on the tag, a telephone number on the tag, and it was evidently this guy's pager.
This guy finally called him back and said, why are you paging my number?
And they asked, sir, do you own a small six to eight-week-old kitten?
Yeah, the other night someone was being interviewed, and he was representing the construction, the religious view of creation.
Oh, you mean that we were created here 6,000 years ago?
Yeah, and to me, it's like they could just as easily say we were created six minutes ago, and God gave us all of these memories to make us think that we've been living all these years.
Well, without being too flippant, sir, it's about as likely.
Six minutes ago as 6,000.
You know, I mean, clearly, clearly, the science is irrefutable.
I mean, we do know how long we've been here, and it's way, way, way longer than 6,000 years.
Or how about on on the critics of your movie?
You could have said, well, Charlton Heston got the juice to Israel in just a few hours.
What I'm thinking is, if you remember in the Bible, and I don't have too much faith in the Bible, I study other things, but there was a flood that basically ended everything, and it was reborn again.
And what I'm kind of getting at is, I mean, this may be a little bit far-fetched, but I think that whoever the gods or whoever, whatever you want to call it, that created the Earth or has manifested in it, whatever they've created, they're probably coming back to let us know some new information about something.
Think so?
I absolutely think so.
And I don't know, I mean, because when you mentioned, you know, the large animal, you started making me think these are probably, I mean, I don't want to call them demons, but I will call them something different than what we've ever experienced before, and they're probably here to give us the message of that.
Well, one quote, one person's quote in one of the stories I just read was that it looked like a gargoyle.
But again, the big question is why he decided to take his own life.
Did you wonder about that?
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I wonder, have any of you seen statistics on how many people in any given year, it certainly would be interesting, wouldn't it, take their own lives in the U.S. and then around the world in different countries.
A lot of major things have occurred in your lifespan, not the least of which was 9-11, the very large tsunami, things that one would only expect to see perhaps once in a lifetime, and they've already happened.
So you're asking me, do I think something will happen in your lifetime?
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You bet it will.
I've got a feeling something is coming pretty soon, actually.
Yeah, I hope they look into it and they find out what really happened.
The reason I called tonight is I'm looking forward to seeing you and Whitley and your director on the day after tomorrow on the Oscar stage for the Irwin Allen Disastacular Award.
And don't forget, speaking of heads up, this Thursday, that's right, this coming Thursday, so set your VCRs and DVRs and such right now, the ABC special on UFOs between 8 and 10 o'clock nationwide, 7 Central Time, I think.
When I was about 19, I was sailing up in the San Juan Islands with my parents, and our fuel pump broke, in which my father ordered me to turn off the engine.
So we were actually adrift for about a good three hours.
And to make a long story short, my parents both went down into the forward cabin, and I was up in the cockpit.
And when I awoke in the morning, our boat was like sideways on the beach, which is up near Lumming Indian Reservation.
And there were like these, if you could picture a peace sign, they were upside-down peace signs.
They were like footprints, some type of animals' footprints.
They were going all around the boat.
And I hear you talking about, what is it, Chubercabra?
Yes, Chupercabra.
Have you ever heard about any of these type footprints?
I mean, we're getting creature stories now sort of all across the West, New Mexico, Southern California, interesting creatures all over the place.
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What do you think that means?
Well, all I know is I truthfully believe that somehow a creature had evidently pulled our sailboat up onto the beach because when I woke up in the morning, the boat was sideways.
And this is about a 45-foot motor sailboat.
You know, it's like a yacht, so it's very big.
And I went, Dad, look at these footprints.
And there were like, you know, it was going all around the boat, and it looked like upside-down peace signs.
So, yes, the time frame obviously was, you know, squished.
But it should have served as a warning.
And if that didn't serve as a warning, then the headlines that we're getting every single day, many like the ones I just read tonight, that ought to be a warning to you all.
There's a change underway.
If there's anything constant, it's change.
And, baby, it's moving right now.
Coming up at the top of the hour, just a very few moments, we're going to have Russell Tar.
He was in the official U.S. government remote viewing program, a pioneer in many applications, and he knows a lot about stuff psychic.
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I'm about to ride by like the wind to be free again.
And I'm about to learn to go to the war.
You know we don't come easy.
I'm going to pay you if you want to see the blues.
And you know it don't come easy.
You don't have to shout all these louds.
You can't even play them easy.
Forget about the fact that all yours are the future of life.
It will soon be over to all our own.
But come as the most I only want.
And you know it won't come easy.
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Coming up, Russell Targ is a physicist and author who was a pioneer in the development of the laser and laser applications.
That's hardware stuff, serious hardware stuff.
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He was also co-founder of the previously secret Stanford Research Institute's investigation into psychic abilities back in the 1970s and 80s.
His work in this new area called remote viewing was published in Nature, the magazine Nature, the Proceedings of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, IEEE, and the proceedings of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.
Russell did graduate work in physics at Columbia University and is co-author of six books dealing with the scientific investigation of psychic abilities.
In 1997, he retired from Lockheed Martin Missile and Space Company as a senior staff scientist.
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He now pursues ESP research in Palo Alto, California, and is also publishing special editions of classic books into psychic research.
Now, it's going to be very interesting to ask him about the story we read a little while ago about what's going on at Princeton.
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Now, in this consciousness experiment, we now know that once again, the needle just went off the chart just before the earthquake that produced the tragic tsunami.
So we're beginning to get a lot of history under our belt with this.
You may be interested to know the biggest effect that they've ever seen was not from an earthquake or a natural disaster, but rather from the acquittal of O.J. Simpson.
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Yes.
What people watch, what scientists like Dean Raden and Roger Nelson watch, is the change in the noise of 30 or 40 random number generators all over the world.
And what it appears is that when some momentous world-class event takes place, then the noise output of the random number generators diminishes as they become coherent, as though they are becoming entrained or coherent with the worldwide consciousness.
Now, events like tsunamis, for example, start slowly, and then you build up and you have an earthquake, and then you build up and you have a tsunami.
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And that whole event extends over a dozen hours in the case of tsunami because the wave had to travel all the way from Indonesia across the Indian Ocean to Africa.
Well, according to this article, they began registering the spike about 30 minutes before the actual earthquake itself.
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You're familiar, of course, with the 9-11 results.
That occurred before the phenomenon.
That's right.
The problem with this data is that a spike could occur two hours before the event, as it did with 9-11, or two hours after the event, or five hours after the event.
And the experimenter in a case like that has a lot of leeway to say, look at my chart.
I have this very unusual anomaly occurring, but they don't say in advance when it's going to occur.
The judge tore open the envelope and announced the result, and they said, not guilty.
And that event had an instantaneous occurrence, and there was no doubt as to when that event occurred.
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And that was the largest of the events with the global random number generator.
Russell, the reason I think that this is so important is because it has a lot of characteristics of remote viewing, just in the sense that it seems to transcend time.
It seems to be an arena of consciousness, or it seems to prove an arena of consciousness being something real in the ether, in the air, everywhere, all around us.
The very same arena that perhaps remote viewers work in more studiously, in a more studied way, and a more disciplined way.
I think that in the case of the random number generators, the global consciousness project that has been carried out now for quite a number of years, these are all well-intentioned, careful people.
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The criticism that's been made by a number of parapsychologists, and Dick Berman would be among them without certainly, is that the researchers are in general not able to say in advance when the signal is going to occur.
So if there's global consciousness responding to an event, we know that there's precognition, so that we'd like to agree, well, if hundreds of thousands of people are going to be killed, you might like to have a big event occur when they're killed rather than several hours before they're killed.
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Or in the case of the 9-11 disaster, if people are going to crash into a building and kill 3,000 people, you'd expect the global consciousness of the planet to hold its breath when that happened rather than two hours before it happened, before the people even got on the airplane.
Our program at SRI was turned off, as you know, in 1995 when the government said, you guys have been doing good work for 25 years since 1972, but we no longer have any enemies, so we don't need a psychic group of people doing surveillance for us.
Do you think that statement's still valid today?
No, I think that we obviously have a lot of enemies, and I think a remote viewing program would be very helpful.
The reason the program was killed in 1995 is that people like the Defense Intelligence Agency and the CIA took a lot of flack from Congress and from the press, and high-level people hate to be teased.
All right, Russell, here's a really important question for you.
If there had been a team of remote viewers, good ones, scanning.
Is it possible for such a thing?
In other words, can you have a team devoted to doing nothing other than scanning for major, imminent, gigantic, perhaps even preventable things, events that are going to happen?
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Absolutely.
Paul Smith talks about this in his new book, where Paul Smith is one of the leaders of the Fort Meade remote viewing program during the Cold War.
He describes that during his training, his monitor, his remote viewing monitor, said, now I have a different task for you.
Tell me what's the next important thing that we're going to be dealing with here in Army intelligence.
So this is something that Paul Smith, who's one of the great remote viewing teachers, was able to describe two days before it occurred in response to somebody asking a question just like the one you suggested, what's the next big thing we're going to be dealing with?
What kind of tasking were they given, and what really were the results?
We were generally given real-time tasking.
One of our famous cases I worked on with psychic policeman Pat Price, we were looking at a Soviet research and development laboratory in Soviet Siberia, and we were asked to describe what are they doing?
And Price was able to describe a giant crane rolling back and forth over a building, which appeared in his mind's eye, in his mental space.
And he then went on to say inside the building, they're fabricating a large steel sphere about 60 feet in diameter that they're welding together from orange peel shapes that's that they're building.
The CIA concluded from that that they were making some kind of containment vessel, probably a particle beam weapon.
And two years later, that exact steel sphere, 60 feet in diameter, was rolled out of the building price described, and it was indeed part of a particle beam weapon to shoot down the satellites that were taking the pictures that we used for confirmation.
And we wound up standing in the well of the House of Representatives defending our program because the House Intelligence Committee, House Committee on Intelligence Oversight, felt that there was no way some psychics in California could have that intelligence unless there was some kind of security leak.
I had a call in the first hour of the program, Russell, from a truck driver who said, you know, we're used to being tested.
We go into one of the way stations and they do a radiological test.
You know, they look for anything that might be going tick, tick, tick.
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But he said, gee, you know, they've got the highway closed down to one lane, and they've got somebody out there testing every single vehicle, and you named the highway for radiological tick, tick, ticks.
And that's a little scary.
And so if there's somebody out there with something that is going tick, tick, tick, it seems to me that there we have a solid job for a remote viewing team.
And the fact that our government would not now be supporting such an effort when we are at such incredible risk blows my mind.
Well, I think that we could do something like that, but it would be difficult.
If you really believe in what you were doing and you really believe that these results were real and you're quoting us results, how can we not be doing it?
And probably Until we have a sound proven theory for the mechanism for psychic functioning, there's always going to be skepticism about its efficacy and whether it should be supported.
When I was on your show a couple of years ago, I was very impressed that there were 60,000 sites on Google pertaining to remote viewing as an entity in quotation marks.
I want to mention that you were talking before about why people don't believe in ESP.
Our very first book, Mind Reach, has a whole chapter that I wrote with Hal Putoff talking about the loyal opposition and why people are just afraid of psychic abilities.
So I just wanted to mention Mind Reach had gone out of print.
We went to the Berkeley police station with the detectives there, and Pat Price asked for a mug book, the list, a picture book of the people who had been arrested or were known criminals in that area.
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And he just sat down at a big oak desk and started turning the pages.
And this must have been 1974 when the kidnapping was.
And Price said, well, I can tell you where they've gone.
I don't know where they are now, but they headed north.
He pointed north and said, as he closed his eyes, I see two big white gas storage tanks and a restaurant and a bridge over the freeway right next to these tanks.
And one of the detectives said, I know where that would be.
That's not far from here.
That's just over by the refinery.
And as we sat in the police station, they dispatched a cruiser, found the kidnapped car, which is a station wagon.
Of course, they had left it, but they were extremely impressed that we were able to sit in Berkeley and tell them exactly where to go to find the kidnap car.
I'm interested now in helping people to understand that psychic abilities exist.
You can use this to make money in the market.
You can find your car keys.
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But I think that psychic ability has on its world stage the great importance that it shows us that we greatly misapprehend the whole nature of space-time.
The fact that Pat Price can quiet his mind, look into the distance, look into the past, describe what occurred, and tell us where something was indicates that our capabilities are far beyond the limitations that are being set on it.
So I really have an almost propagandistic interest now in getting people to explore their own psychic abilities and learn to do this.
Non-locality says that space and time simply don't matter.
And the most important thing I can tell you about psychic ability is that it's no harder to describe an object across the planet than it is across the street.
Similarly, there's no greater difficulty in describing what you will see in the paper tomorrow than there is in describing the object I'm holding in my hand.
The bad news side of the Patricia Hearst case, which is also worth mentioning, we worked for about a week with the Berkeley Police Department, and we also worked a little bit with the Sheriff's Department of Alameda County.
And we also worked with the FBI, and we were sworn to not communicate anything between those three agencies.
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It was very much like the failure of the FBI and the CIA to detect the perpetrators of 9-11, in that here you had the Berkeley police, the FBI, and the sheriff's deputy absolutely not communicating with one another.
So what we would say here is that he used his precognitive dream that came the information in the precognitive dream to avoid putting himself on the airplane.
He experienced the crash by seeing it, but he didn't have to experience the crash by taking part in it.
Well, that would be a good example of a yes, where he was able to make use of information that was psychically derived to not have that experience.
unidentified
Well, that certainly raises the worth of the ability to do this then, because that was a big question.
I mean, if the future is written in concrete, then what's the point, other than, I guess, knowing when you're going to go or when something big is going to happen.
But if indeed an event can be altered, then the worth of what you're doing goes way, way up.
unidentified
Well, I think that we have life-saving opportunities.
In the book I was talking about, Mind Reach, I talk about an early experience where I was riding my motorcycle on a parkway in Palo Alto where I live, and I began to worry as I would buzz along this high-speed street, what would happen if there was a branch or board in the road.
But I began to slow down and slow down as I worried about this mythical board.
And as I came around the corner, there was the board in front of me, but I was then going slowly enough so I could just bump over it instead of crashing.
unidentified
Yes.
So it's a way of making use of psychic abilities in your life, seeing what's in your future or in the distance, which is often the same thing, to actually enhance the quality of your life or avoid an accident.
So the answer to your question, I believe, is yes, that you can use psychic abilities.
You can use your precognitive abilities to change an outcome that appears to you psychically.
unidentified
It's as though you move off the ordinary materialistic plane where we live, the ordinary real space-time plane, and get information and see the future.
And if you're able to do that, if you can quiet your mind and look into the future, then you can make use of that information.
If you don't quiet your mind, if you just bump along in the freeway and in the subway with the psychic noise and the physical noise, then you're going to be subject to ordinary causality and whatever is going to happen will happen.
unidentified
You don't have a lot of control.
That's why all the disciplines that teach meditation say it's critical to take charge of your chattering mind and find out a way to quiet it so that you can expand your awareness and take advantage of the opportunities that are right at hand.
Well, of course, this may have been an ability that human beings have long had and have sort of, I don't know, masked over by the noise of modern living.
It's been known for thousands of years that the earliest Vedic writing and the Hindus and the Buddhists and the Gnostic Christians, the Kabbalistic Jews, and the Sufis, that's everybody,
unidentified
all the mystics have known since 2,000 years before Christ that it was possible to expand your awareness and experience moving into these spacious realms.
It's been talked about.
We can talk about that later on.
But that ability is available, but you have to find the off switch on your mental chatter.
There must be a half an hour during the day where you can sit not to be disrespectful, but everybody has a half an hour where they can sit down and discover who they are.
The NSA is probably, I would think, the most secret TIV agency that we have.
I mean, they're really a dark, dark agency, and they break codes, do things like that.
unidentified
And was your group involved with the NSA?
We had two very humorous interactions with the NSA, and the NSA is not known for their humor.
Oh, absolutely not.
In the very first remote viewing that we did with Ingo Swan, when he first came and taught Hal Putoff and me how to be psychic, we had something called Project Scanate, which is scanning by coordinates.
And a CIA friend, who was not even a contract monitor at that time, gave us the coordinates of his cabin.
And Ingo Swan was then given those coordinates and asked to describe what was there.
And of course, we didn't know what it was, except that it was coordinates that looked like they were on the east coast of America.
And the CIA was very amazed because that wasn't what they had targeted us on.
unidentified
And Price explained, well, the more you hide something psychically, the more it shines like a beacon in psychic space.
The reason I zeroed in on this is that guy's cabin was not so interesting, but this huge NSA facility really got my attention.
And I'm sure there is too much.
And I described that whole event with the NSA in Mind Reach.
It was the only place that's ever been described how Price was able to read the file folders.
We wound up having a whole NSA investigation because they were furious with the idea that the CIA would target psychics on a super secret code-breaking facility in Virginia.
Yes, but it seems to me after such an event, the NSA, for example, would want you on their side.
unidentified
And if they couldn't have you on their side, then they would want you locked up in a very deep, dark basement somewhere, unavailable to be looking at their secret code-breaking facilities.
After the CIA sent us off looking at the NSA facility in Virginia, we became friendly with some of the people at the NSA and said, no, no, we weren't spying on you.
But that idea trickled up, and we gave many briefings, trickled up the line at NSA, and they were worried about having us actually look at their code because their code is so secret.
unidentified
They didn't want some psychics in California to see it, obviously.
I said, why don't you put your, give us a paragraph of coded message, put it in a sealed envelope inside of a top-secret envelope and send it into the SRI security system for us to hold but not open.
unidentified
And we, because of our remote viewing, all had top-secret clearances, so this is an appropriate thing to do.
Just write out a paragraph in your best cipher, send it into the security people at SRI, and we will tell you what's in the envelope, and we don't even have to open your silly envelope.
The idea that we could break their code without even seeing it so upset them right up the line to Bobby Inman, who is head of the NSA, that they broke off all contact with us at all.
But at one workshop I was teaching, my wife Patricia was taking another workshop on some kind of sensitivity training where all the attendees would write a question in Italian, of course, and put it in an envelope.
And then each of the attendees would reach into the box, pull out an envelope, hold their hand over it, and write an answer to the question.
And of course, my wife doesn't speak Italian, and the thing is in the envelope anyway.
But to go along with the gag, she wrote out in English that what this person should do was get more exercise, start walking, take time out of their life to get in touch with their physical body and so on and so forth, which is not actually apropos to the spiritual workshop.
unidentified
When the envelope was open, the person had asked in Italian, what sort of exercise program should I start to deal with my aches and pain in physical body?
So this was a case where Patricia did exactly what we had proposed to do for the NSA.
A message was written in a code called Italian, was sealed in an envelope, and somebody was able to read the code and respond to it while the whole thing was all sealed up.
In the overall remote viewing, the work at SRI and the outstanding work of Joe McMonagall, who is one of our remote viewers and probably the most successful, we're right about two-thirds of the time.
So I'm certainly not saying we're right all the time, though that has happened.
As you know, when we were forecasting silver into the commodity exchange a number of years ago, we made nine forecasts over a period of nine weeks, and we're right every time.
unidentified
And we can talk about that later.
But to be right, two-thirds of the time about specific events is so astronomically above the possibility of chance.
It's so remarkably beyond all of that that I can't believe that embarrassment or even, I don't know, fright, fear, any of those things would keep the agencies that need the kind of information you could supply from utilizing you and people like you.
Well, there's two different sources of interference with our pursuing psychic ability.
One is the people from the French Revolution and the Enlightenment, who are represented by Modern Physics and the New York Times, who would rather be wrong than be silly.
unidentified
As long as they have company, as long as the establishment says there's no psychic ability, they will go along with that idea rather than break new ground and be laughed at.
There's enough here so that even Dr. Kaku, who is a scientist above all, I hope, and I'm sure, would look at the numbers and couldn't deny something worth investigating.
When the CIA says, describe the site, and the man draws an eight-wheel crane and a gantry, or he describes an atomic bomb test that failed, as we did with China, or we describe the location of Patricia Hearst's car.
And in the book that I've written, especially in Mind Reach, which was the one we just brought back that I'm talking about, we have a multitude of pictures where I get to hide at the superdome and a person draws the superdome.
The next day I hide at Grant's tomb and he draws Grant's tomb.
Now, the other interesting group of people who are worried about psychic functioning are not the materialists, but the American fundamentalists who say, yes, there is psychic functioning, but it's from the devil.
It's really hard for a physicist to know what to do caught between those powerful forces.
unidentified
What we do is we teach everybody we can find how to do this.
And eventually, with 365,000 remote viewing sites, we will simply overwhelm the naysayers because they look around and discover that everybody around them is psychic, making use of remote viewing except them.
But the thing is, most scientists don't believe in God.
And so if they don't believe in God, they don't believe in an entity that would be creating evil.
I mean, I have asked scientists after scientists, the real McCoy, that come on my program and press to the wall.
We once had a Very famous, I was going to say a Nobel Prize.
He should be a Nobel Prize, but a famous scientist came to our lab and was part of SRI's oversight committee.
He said, Show me something psychic.
And the way I always did that is that I would help him get in touch with his own psychic abilities by having him describe where somebody else had gone to hide.
And of course, I wouldn't know where the other people went to hide.
And then our lab director and Hal came back from their hiding place, which in this case was the duck pond.
So we took him out, showed him the traveling orders, and the duck was still sitting on the road for him to see.
unidentified
Yes.
So if I can just get the person to suspend their disbelief, it's very easy to manifest psychic abilities, which is why you've got all these hundreds of thousands of sites, because people are catching on that this ability is available.
But our government, which needs it the very most right now, near as I can tell, I mean, we're in fear of nuclear and biological weapons and god-awful things are on the horizon.
I mean, all these really wild things are going on.
We could certainly use these talents officially.
unidentified
And again, I'm saying it doesn't seem to me that embarrassment or fear are sufficient to keep something that has a two-thirds correct hit rate on individual things to happen or to locate can be ignored.
And the fact that psychic abilities exist as robustly as they do show that we significantly misapprehend the nature of the space and time we live in.
The fact that you can look into the distance, look into the future, and describe what's there shows that we have capabilities far beyond the limitations that are normally believed.
The fact that psychic abilities work as well as they do show that we significantly misapprehend the whole nature of the space and time that we live in.
Yes.
So it's a kind of head-in-the-sand ostrich posture that prevents the government from supporting this.
I would think that as more and more tens of thousands of people bring psychic abilities into their lives, that even the federal government will catch on to the fact that there's an ability here that should be pursued.
Russell, do you think there's a time when physics, hard physics, when hard science will stumble into the realm of remote viewing or into the area perhaps as we approach this new age of quantum everything, there's going to be a point where science and the metaphysical are going to meet.
unidentified
What do you think, Russell?
I think that there will be.
I think that psychic abilities.
Well, a number of years ago, I had a theory for psychic functioning together with physicist Elizabeth Rauscher that we published, and that's on my website, ESPresearch.com,
where we talk about a physical model for how psychic ability works and how it can be made compatible, how it is compatible with the rest of relativity theory and quantum physics without breaking any laws.
That is psychic functioning.
I sort of took a breath to figure out where this stand.
The mathematician Mankowski described a space-time that allows psychic functioning.
And on my website, ESPresearch.com, I talk about this complex space-time in which there is non-local connection of awareness, where you have direct apprehension of the future and of the distance without violating any physics.
So I think that there will be this may not be the right answer, but the answer will look something like the one that we describe because we don't violate any physical laws.
unidentified
And the very simple mathematical construction allows you to expand your awareness into the distance and into the future in a way that would be expected if we live in a complex space-time.
I guess what I'm talking about is something so physical, a meter, for example, measuring energy in some realm that we have not yet measured that would begin to register when somebody like yourself or some other remote viewer were doing their thing.
Let me think about this and the break's coming up.
Why not predict the stock market and make a gazillion dollars?
Well, they have.
The truth is, they have done all of that.
And so I've always wondered, apparently, then there is no sort of cosmic ethical barrier against doing those kinds of, you know, personal profit things, Russell?
I had several inquiries about that also, about stocks and personal gain.
Well, I was going to ask, has it been going on long enough to g establish any sort of even small track record yet?
unidentified
What we find is that in applied remote viewing, we're right about two-thirds of the time, whether we're forecasting the market or looking for missing heiress.
All right.
Well, my question is I want to very briefly invite experienced, trained remote viewers to send me an email if they would like to work with us on changing the paradigm.
I think the thing becomes self limiting in that as people discover that they are non-local awareness, they discover that they're able to focus their attention into the distance and into the future and are not limited by ordinary space-time, then it breeds a kind of ethical use.
It's not that they won't do remote viewing anymore.
unidentified
It's that they are aware that they live in a different kind of world than they had been before.
There's no doubt that people can have there's a whole continuum of remote viewing, which we did at SRI, as a nice sanitary ability where you sit in the laboratory and describe on your mental screen what you're experiencing more or less visually.
unidentified
But you can extend that to a full-blown out-of-body experience, the kind that Bob Monroe or Aleister Crowley talked about, where you have an out-of-body experience where you bring with you all of your sensitivity, emotionality, and sexuality, and can experience all kinds of things with a distant cooperative person.
That is Bob Monroe, who wrote the book Journeys Out of the Body, met his wife on an astral vision.
Alastair Crowley talks about sex on the astral plane.
McKinley Cantor, who wrote Andersonville, what a Pulitzer Prize, in his book, Don't Touch Me, he talks about his experience in the war in Korea when he could go back and have sexual relations psychically with his wife.
And he describes that in some detail in his book.
And his wife objected because it was not a good time for her.
He would be thinking about her at his nighttime, and she'd just be driving to work and they loved each other.
It just wasn't the right time, as it were.
unidentified
Not when she's behind the wheel.
No.
So there's a whole literature of people talking about sex on the astral plane.
And that's not what we did at SRI, because we were always concerned that we didn't want someone to have a bad experience.
But there is no doubt that as you move your awareness into space-time, that you can have a strong interaction with a distant person.
And there's a significant literature about that.
As you quiet your mind to do remote viewing.
Generally, that works better with consenting adults.
As you quiet your mind for remote viewing, is an OBE sort of right next to you and rather immediately available to you because of the state you're in, if that's the direction you desire to go?
If you are comfortable with that experience, if you are comfortable with the remote viewing practice, you can then bring, in fact, that's what remote viewers do.
unidentified
That's what the various trainers have you do.
As you bring more and more of your sensory apparatus into the fore, your sense of smell, your sense of taste, your sense of touch, you get more and more involved at the distant location, and then eventually you can begin to interact with a person at the distant location.
But as the pyramid now expands, and when it finally gets to the point where perhaps even millions and millions of people are remote viewing Russell, then finally Michio Kaku will catch on.
unidentified
The scientists will be the last ones.
But when their kids come home from school and you say, you know, I've learned to be a remote viewer, then the scientists will begin to listen.
Well, my question, though, actually was what kind of impact would there be in the non-local mind with that many people doing it?
In order to experience these fleeting feelings and pictures, you simply have to stop the ongoing mental chatter.
unidentified
No matter who the teacher is, they would agree with that.
Different people have different ways of doing it, but you simply have to get quiet.
Right.
When you get quiet, you begin to discover things about yourself and your own noise that makes you a less violent, less aggressive, less materialistic person.
Well, the transcendental meditators have claimed for a long time that there is data to that effect.
I simply don't know.
unidentified
It's widely claimed in the TM community that experiments have been done in Washington, D.C. in particular, that when they had 2,000 TM people during the summer, during July and August, which is the most violent time in Washington, D.C., the TM meditators were meditating for hours a day on increasing the peace, harmony, and coherence in Washington,
and there was a highly significant decrease in the amount of violence in the city.
I don't know the experiment that you've done actually.
unidentified
You don't?
Oh, no kidding.
Years ago, just for the fun of it, because I was fairly young then and stupider than I am now, I asked millions of people on a number of occasions to try and make rain, for example, in areas where there was no rain and no forecast of rain and they were dry and they were desperate.
I have not been involved with the distant mental influence except on the healing side.
But I think trying to change the universe, which you're thought, is a risky thing to do, except the very first experiment that Harold Putoff did at the SRI program, one that we describe in detail and mind reach, a very strong experiment that Ingo Swan did, was to change the behavior of a magnetometer buried in a vault at Stanford Research at Stanford University.
Ingo had to slow up the cycling of a ball that was floating in a magnetic field, superconducting ball, that was supposed to be again, we got the government's attention.
It was not only a Navy project, but somebody's dissertation.
unidentified
The psychic from California comes in, totally changes the output of the apparatus, and that was another government inquiry.
But it shows that our thoughts can have effects in the physical world.
Yes, these sorts of things are what puts it over the top for me and ought to be putting it over the top for the scientists involved.
Look, they've got to believe what's in front of their eyes.
And if that was really done and things of that magnitude were done.
In many cases, the scientists are going to be the last ones to believe.
Their wives and girlfriends and children are going to come home having learned something about remote viewing in their college classes or from their friends, and then the paradigm will change, and we'll begin to learn something more about the nature of the space-time that we live in.
The fact that there's these hundreds of thousands of remote viewing websites say that this is not going to be submerged, but the paradigm will change.
unidentified
And I should mention that my interest in the forecasting of the stock market is not particularly to make money, but money is what is understood in America.
Oh, yes.
And if we create another significant stock market adventure, people will get the idea that something like this is going on.
If you were able to instruct enough people to predict what was going to happen in the stock market and it got out of control, Russell, it would bring down Wall Street.
Our investor, who was quite a nice guy, had just made half of $120,000 with no work and just watched us do that week after week, forecasting the silver market.
But it would seem not, which would mean that remote viewing could be used for virtually anything.
But I think if you listen carefully to what Russell said, he said pretty much to get there, to quiet your mind sufficiently to be able to do it, you would have to become, in essence, a better person.
unidentified
So the likelihood for evil doings is low.
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You know, in the ufology field, boy, that's a big step.
Do you think anything like that might occur for remote viewers or, in fact, the whole psychic world, some investigation at that level, you know, two hours of primetime network stuff would be big.
Well, there was an hour-long NOVA program that was released in 1984 and then shown with one of NOVA's most popular films called The Case of ESP that really featured the remote viewing and forecasting in the stock market and even some distant healing.
It was a very positive show on Nova of all places.
Well, Ingo Swan wrote a book called Penetration, where he talks about his personal UFO experiences.
With regard to remote viewing in Google, my experience is that if you enter the psychic realm, if you enter the information realm of non-local mind, you can get the answer to any question that has an answer.
unidentified
That doesn't make you omniscient because you have only a finite little brain, so you can't know everything there is to know.
But my experience is that any well-posed question that has an answer can be known.
So it's a lot like Google.
For example, you can go to Google and get the answer to all the questions you want to have answers to, but you can't have access to the whole database because that would require infinite time.
Well, as we know, though, when you go to Google and you put in a search, you might get some hits back that are totally relevant to what you wanted to know, and you might get some that aren't so relevant but came up because they were similar.
I should mention that Rich Dolan wrote a wonderful book about UFOs called UFOs and the National Security State by Richard Dolan, who is a historian.
And this is a big fat book full of data by an American historian who wasn't actually interested in UFOs, but in his research about the Vietnam War, he came across more and more data as a historian.
So finally, he was convinced of two things.
unidentified
That, first of all, something like UFOs exist.
And second of all, the U.S. government is lying about them.
So that was the basis of his UFO and the National Security State, which is a 500-page, absolutely fascinating book that's in print now.
But as you sit down quietly and you have the opportunity to expand your awareness, transcending space and time, you get an idea that who you are is this non-local awareness.
unidentified
That is, it becomes silly to think that your body, who you because what you experience is, is that you're a non-local awareness residing for a time as a body.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Russell Tarr.
unidentified
Good morning.
Hello.
Yes.
I had a question about his remote viewing.
And does he, besides the Buddhist way that he seems to profess his main way of achieving remote viewing, does he have any knowledge of other people, I guess, being involved in ancient rites or modern day, I guess, chemical alterations as psychedelics to achieve the state of remote viewing?
What I know is that the ancient Hindus, Patanjali, for example, 2,400 years ago, talked about quieting your mind, looking into the distance, looking into the future, healing the sick, diagnosing illnesses.
But every mystical, a mystical persuasion, like the Hindus or the Buddhists, the Kabbalistic Jews, or the Gnostic Christians, all talk of, are all mystics.
That is, they talk about experience rather than the belief system.
All the people who have a practice that begins with sit down and quiet your mind will lead you into the non-local realms.
Now, with regard to psychedelics, everyone would like to believe that you get the right drug and will make you psychic.
Well, to find a remote viewing teacher, I would go to the website for the International Remote Viewing Association, which would be IRVA.org, and you'll find some people there who teach remote viewing, which is not me in general.
I've done occasional workshops, but I'm not an active remote viewing teacher.
But you've looked over what they do, and you would recommend it?
Well, I've had experience, direct experience with deceased people.
unidentified
I even had a so-called phone call from the dead that is often written about where someone passed away and I got a phone call from that person a few weeks later.
So I think that we do have high-quality experiences from deceased people that are certainly quite unexplainable.
Well, I've been interviewing a series of people who have been doing, and I believe they're absolutely honest about it too, Russell, by the way, for what it's worth, these EVPs, these electronic voice phenomena, so-called things.
Russell, I've looked at the Six Ways from Sunday, and I don't see any real holes in it.
unidentified
It seems real to me.
And that would also suggest some form of an afterlife, not always such a comfortable one if you listen to what's said, but definitely some sort of continuation of something.
There's been before you swallow the whole pill, I would investigate it.
unidentified
Sure.
I'm with you there, but it does seem awfully convincing when you listen to a cut after cut after cut and you believe these people are honest.
To hear some of the things that are said, I think you would find very shocking.
And frankly, you know, that's you're also suggesting to me that through remote viewing or through psychic ability, whichever way you want to look at it, there is proof of a continuation, right?
Russell Targ describes remote viewing exactly as I would imagine it to be: not connected with God, not connected with God.
unidentified
Something that we've always had, something that doesn't have a real line or an ethical barrier, as so many people suggest, except that the process of quieting your mind perhaps makes you a more introspective person.
But other than that, it's just an ability.
Could be used for good, could be used for bad, isn't under the control of God or the devil or anybody else, but just is.
And that'll probably be the best way to sell it to the other scientists.
And in the introduction, she said that in her investigations all over the world, psychic abilities play a part in every culture except the industrialized West.
Helpodoff and I wrote the book Mind Reach in the middle of the classified program.
So we had all kinds of trouble getting it through CIA Defense Intelligence Agency.
unidentified
But this was our view of what was going on, how you can use psychic abilities to look into the distance, look into the future, heal the sick, and diagnose illnesses.
And although the CIA was not our favorite customer, we felt it was worthwhile and helpful to the country to provide information that could prevent the Cold War becoming a hot war.
So with regard to knowing the future or remaining ignorant, in general, I'm an unreconstructed scientist.
If there's something to know, I would rather know it.
Well, transcendental meditation is a meditation has been taught for thousands of years as a way of quieting your mind and stopping the ongoing chatter.
Transcendental Meditation was brought to the West by Maharishi Mahash Yogi, whose name I don't have exactly correct, the Maharishi, let's say.
And his organization, the TM organization, and a teacher will give you a mantra, a word group, a Sanskrit group of words to say as a way of repetitiously doing something to fill the space as you quiet your mind.
unidentified
So this meditation with a mantra is one of many, many types of meditation.
It's the one that the TM organization has been using.
We show what help what Pat Price and Kellahama did.
Mindreach is a good place to start doing remote viewing.
And that's my first book, of course.
unidentified
The last one, Limitless Mind, gives step-by-step instructions on how to do remote viewing.
So I'm shamelessly giving a plug for both books, but the answer to your caller's question is you have to find a friend, have the friend put an object in a bag for you, and then look for surprising elements that come into your awareness.
Well, that's a pretty simple experiment, isn't it?
I have two questions that are very much interrelated, and I'll ask them, and I'll get off and listen on the air.
They are, and they might be the same question, in fact.
Can't you look forward and find out if there's a point when remote viewing is known by, is a practice of most of the people, and what happens when remote viewing views itself?
As I understand, the question is, when will people finally understand that who they are is non-local awareness, that their ability fills space-time and they can do remote viewing?
So it's a I'd have to think about how to find a tricky way of doing that.
unidentified
In using remote viewing to forecast the stock market, what you do is what's called associative remote viewing, where you associate one object with the market going up and another object with the market going down.
And then you ask a viewer to describe what we will show you next Friday.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Russell Targ.
unidentified
Hello.
Hello.
Yeah, I was listening to your show.
I haven't been listening for more than just a few months.
I think it's very fascinating.
Thank you.
But you were talking before, and my question for your guest was even you yourself had said something to the effect because of the avian flu, you had a bad feeling about it.
Yes, sir.
And things I hear other people sometimes talk about how they have a bad feeling about the future.
Some people even say we're headed toward global disaster or world's end or whatever.
And my question to your guest is, can you use remote viewing in a very general sense to look at how the world is going to go?
Are we headed for that kind of a disaster?
And what does it mean when these people are all saying, or many of them are saying pretty much the same thing, that there are things coming, the avian flu, the global warming, the closed thing, and so forth?
Let's concentrate for a change on one specific thing.
I said this in the first hour, Russell, and I really believe this.
I've been watching these stories come to me every week about the avian flu, and scientists are virtually predicting that it's going to jump species, become transmissible between humans.
From what I read, that there'll probably be a vaccine for avian flu before it becomes an epidemic.
unidentified
So that's my understanding.
It's certainly the problem, but I think that competent people are working on it.
The thing that you can do most readily rather than looking at the distant future is try and use this in your own lives to figure out what's going to happen tomorrow or next week.
Because then you get feedback, and you rather than forecasting distant calamities, discovering who you are and your own nature is something that's a much better application for psychic abilities, in my opinion.
Well, speaking of people who forecast future calamities, we've got Ed Dames.
Now, he seems centered on forecasting future calamities.
I've published many papers, lots of books telling people how to do remote viewing, and there's now 300,000 people doing remote viewing. To the best of my knowledge, Ed Danes has never published a thing,
and all the forecasts I've heard from him have been wrong. I do know some of his students who are good remote viewers. So I have to say that he is an accomplished remote viewing teacher. But with regard to his organization making forecasts, I simply don't know of any correct forecasts he's made. And I've heard quite a number of erroneous forecasts. Well, based on some of what you said tonight,
I bet you were particularly raising an eyebrow when he remote viewed Lucifer. That's right. And he had a lot of incorrect things to say about Chandralevi and about the North Koreans come to mind. Yeah,
well, I don't know about this North Korean thing. That's a little worrisome. I mean, his forecast was that there would be a detonation of a nuclear weapon on the Korean peninsula. And I'm not sure. Well, it's looking pretty probable, actually, I would say. You don't have to be psychic. If you asked Joe on the corner, do you think that the Koreans are going to test an atomic bomb pretty soon? Well,
today, yes. But that forecast is quite old. Anyway, let's international line. You're on the air with Russell Tart. Hi, there. I also can't hear the show on the radio. I'll take care of that. I'll bash this thing until it works. Okay,
Yeah, another remote viewer guest of yours a while back stated the reason why they canceled the program was that some people in government were worried about being psychically spied on and having some of their secrets revealed.
I think the program was canceled in 1995 simply because the CIA got tired of taking heat and having people tease them about supporting psychics.
We were providing good information.
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That is the best evidence for psychic functioning in a certain sense, is that we had More than $20 million worth of financial support.
The program went on for more than 20 years, simply doing remote viewing for the intelligence community. If we were not doing good work, we wouldn't get 20 years of funding. In my experience as a laser physicist, it's extremely unusual to get funding for three years,
let alone 23 years. The fact that we had continuous funding from the same group of agencies for 23 years is extremely strong evidence that we were providing worthwhile information since all the agencies were taking heat from Congress and from other agencies for supporting us,
and they supported us anyway. We obviously must have been providing them with some reason to do that. You're right. But the thing that does not make sense now, Russell, is that if it really worked, we're in such dangerous times now that ridicule, laughing,
embarrassment, all of that isn't enough to keep somebody who knows it really works from getting you back into government and some agency real quick. Maybe there's a secret program in the basement of the Pentagon that we don't know about. Well,
that I've speculated about too. It has been a pleasure having you on the air. And give out your website one more time or your. My website is ESPresearch.com. And the book we're talking about is Mind Reach: Scientists Look at Psychic Abilities. All right, my friend. Thank you for being here. It's always a pleasure to talk with you. Thank you. Good night, Russell. And everybody else, don't forget, this coming Thursday, ABC 8 to 10, 7 Central,