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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Americans, good morning, good afternoon, good morning.
		Whatever you may be in the world, one of the covered my discourse A.M., it is my honor and privilege to be here to escort you through the weekend.
		I've got quite a bit I want to open with.
		I sort of saved it from last night.
		And incidentally, there were a number of people who wrote and said, well, why did you have Chris Moneymaker on?
		That isn't what Coast to Coast does.
		These must be fairly recent listeners.
		Over the years, I have done all kinds of programs.
		Even though we perhaps center on the paranormal here, it's by no means the only place we go.
		And I've always done exactly what I thought was interesting, whatever it was, from country and western stars that I've interviewed to, I don't know, all kinds of people across the board.
		So those people who have it fixed in their head somehow and for some reason wrongly that Coast is only about the paranormal, wrong.
		Yes, a lot of it is.
		I'm going to skip the world news tonight, you know, the official Associated Press or whatever, world news, and go directly to the things that I think are important.
		And this is one I really.
		I'm not a psychic, and don't claim to be, but I have a really bad feeling about this, and my bad feelings tend to usually have cause.
		You can locate what I'm about to read on the Drudge report for yourself if you wish to, but here it is.
		Avian flu on the verge of an epidemic.
		The vicious avian flu that has killed dozens of people now in Vietnam, Thailand, and elsewhere in the region has caused the deaths of hundreds of millions now, hundreds of millions of animals in nearly a dozen Asian countries in the past two years, could kill millions of people should it become capable of spreading efficiently among humans.
		So according to Michael Spector reporting in Nature's bioterrorist, that's in the February 28, 2005 issue of The New Yorker.
		Quote, no such virus has ever spread so quickly over such a wide geographical area, Specter notes, and unlike most viruses, he says this one has already affected a more diverse group than any other type of flu.
		It has killed many animals previously thought to be resistant.
		One farmer whose chickens were killed by the virus says, it's damn hard to watch.
		One day they're all alive and healthy.
		The vets were here the week before to check them, and then the next day they're dying by the thousands.
		It happened so quickly.
		They started shivering, thousands of them at once, and then they started to fall, every one of them.
		They just fell over dead.
		Scott Dowell, the director of the Centers for Disease Control's Thailand Office, tells Spectre, quote, the world, listen to these words, the world just has no idea what it's going to see if this thing comes.
		When, really, it's when.
		I don't think we can afford the luxury of the word if anymore.
		The clock is ticking.
		We just don't know what time it is.
		Robert Webster, a virologist at St. Jude's Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, who's been studying avian flu influenza for decades now, is even more stark.
		He says, quote, this is the worst flu virus I've ever seen or worked with or even read about.
		He says, we have to prepare as if we were going to war, and the public needs to understand that clearly.
		This virus is playing its role as a natural bioterrorist.
		The politicians are going to say Chicken Little is at it again.
		And if I'm wrong, then thank God.
		But if it does happen, and I fully expect that it will, there'll be no place for any of us to hide.
		Not in the United States, nor Europe, or in the bunker, somewhere, nowhere.
		Nowhere to hide.
		The virus is a very promiscuous and effective killer.
		Not all politicians have ignored the threat.
		When Tommy Thompson, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, announced his resignation last December, he cited an avian influenza epidemic as one of the greatest dangers the U.S. faces.
		The World Health Organization's conservative estimate of the number of deaths that an epidemic would cause is 7 million worldwide.
		Michael Osterholm, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, calculates that a pandemic on the scale of the devastating global influenza epidemic of 1918 would kill at least 180 million people today.
		Spectre reports on the efforts of health officials in the U.S. and Thailand and other countries that contain the virus and are doing the best job they can.
		Millions of animals have been ordered slaughtered.
		Now, I've been reading stories to you about this for weeks, but this is the most worrisome yet.
		It's like they absolutely expect it to jump species, and they expect it to become airborne, and they expect it to become as bad as, for example, the 1918 flu, and perhaps even more deadly.
		It's got some terrible something like a 75% mortality rate or something.
		I'm worried about this.
		And maybe it will come to naught.
		I hope so.
		I wonder how you feel about it.
		And then this.
		This is from the Independent, by the way, in Great Britain, and the headline is The final proof global warming is a man-made disaster.
		Scientists have found the first unequivocal link between man-made greenhouse gases and a dramatic heating of the Earth's oceans.
		Boy, does this ever make sense.
		The researchers, many funded by the U.S. government, have seen what they describe as, quote, stunning correlations between a rise in ocean temperature over the past 40 years and pollution of the atmosphere.
		The study destroys a central argument of global warming skeptics within the Bush administration.
		That is to say, that climate change could be a natural phenomenon.
		It should convince George Bush to drop his objections to the Kyoto Treaty on Climate Change, say the scientists.
		Tim Barnett, a marine physicist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in San Diego, very prestigious, and a leading member of the team, said, quote, we've got a serious problem, end quote.
	The debate no longer, is there a global warming signal?
	The debate now is, what are we going to do about it?
	The findings are crucial because much of the evidence of a warmer world until now has been from air temperatures.
	But it is, in fact, the oceans that are the driving force behind the Earth's climate.
	Dr. Barnett said over the past 40 years, there has been considerable warming of the planet system.
	And approximately, get this, folks, 90% of that warming has gone directly into the oceans.
	He told the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Washington, quote, we defined a fingerprint of ocean warming.
	Each of the oceans warmed differently at different depths and constitutes a fingerprint that you can look for.
	We had several computer simulations, for instance, and one for natural variability.
	Could the climate system just do this on its own?
	And the answer clearly was no.
	We looked at the possibility that solar changes or volcanic effects might have caused the warming.
	Not a chance.
	What just absolutely nailed it was greenhouse warming.
	So there you have it.
	I don't know if it'll really change any minds or not in Washington.
	And I don't know that it can.
	I mean, realistically, I do believe that man's hand is involved.
	I always sort of leaned in that direction, as you know.
	But realistically, I do understand the president's reaction.
	After all, we have a very large, vibrant economy, and it's based on fossil fuels, and we can't just shut it down.
	Well, we could, but if we did, it would be absolute disaster for us.
	So no president in his right mind is going to say, well, you know, everybody back to horse and buggies.
	That's not going to happen.
	And I don't know what is going to happen, but I suppose the administration realistically looks at it and says, you know, not a hell of a lot we can do.
	And so they don't do anything.
	And I actually do understand that position.
	Believe it or not.
	We better get going, though.
	All right, so that was important.
	The following is important.
	The article is entitled, Can this Black Box See Into the Future?
	Deep in the basement of a dusty university library in Edinburgh lies a small black box, roughly the size of two cigarette packets side by side, that churns out random numbers in an endless stream.
	At first, it is a rather unremarkable piece of equipment.
	Encased in metal, it contains, at its very heart, a microchip more complex, or no more complex actually than ones found in modern pocket calculators.
	But according to a growing band of top scientists, the box has quite extraordinary powers indeed.
	It is, they claim, the eye of a machine that appears capable of peering into the future and predicting major world events.
	The machine apparently sensed the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center four hours before they occurred, but in the fevered mood of conspiracy theories of the time, the claims were swiftly knocked back by skeptics.
	Ah, but last December, it also appeared to forewarn of the Asian tsunami just before the deep sea earthquake that precipitated the epic tragedy.
	Now even the doubters are beginning to acknowledge that here is a small black box that apparently does in fact have inexplicable powers.
	It's earth-shattering stuff.
	That's a quote from Dr. Roger Nelson, emeritus researcher at Princeton University in the U.S., who is heading the research project behind the black box phenomenon.
	That's what they're now calling it.
	He says, we're very early in the process of trying to figure out what's going on here.
	At the moment, we're stabbing in the dark.
	Dr. Nelson's investigations called the Global Consciousness Project were originally hosted by Princeton University and are centered on one of the most extraordinary experiments of all time.
	Its aim is to detect whether all of humanity shares a single subconscious mind that we can all tap into without realizing.
	And machines like the Edinburgh Black Box have thrown up tantalizing possibilities.
	That is, that scientists may have unwittingly discovered a way of actually predicting the future.
	Although many would consider the project's aims to be little more than fool's gold, it still now has attracted a roster of 75 respected scientists from 41 different nations.
	Researchers from Princeton, where Einstein spent much of his career, work right alongside scientists from universities in Britain, the Netherlands, Switzerland, And Germany.
	The project is also the most rigorous and longest-running investigation ever into the potential powers of the paranormal.
	So, for those of you who have been following this incredible story into monitoring the consciousness, the collective consciousness of those here on Earth, there you have it.
	The latest is the spike went right off the chart again before the earthquake, just before the earthquake that created the tsunami.
	thought you'd want that update.
unidentified		Would you?
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Incidentally, as you consider the oceans' warming, because they are the recipient of 90% of the warming from the greenhouse gases, if that article is accurate, and I presume it is, just might account for the seemingly somewhat different weather patterns.
		Now, the Los Angeles, Southern California area, even up into Central California, is getting slammed, absolutely slammed with moisture.
		And here in the desert, I mean, I'm in Sirius Desert.
		You've got to remember that.
		I'm in a place called Perump, Nevada, you know, 20 miles or so from Death Valley.
		And this should be, well, the driest part of the country, really.
		And we have already come very close to exceeding our totals for any normal year.
		And we had done that in a couple of months prior to the change of year.
		So we have had so much water that people here are talking arcs, you know, that kind of deal.
		And start nailing together an arc.
		And the desert here is turning green.
		This looks like one great big golf course out here.
		I mean, everything green, every little seed that's been in the earth for a million years and hasn't grown, is now growing.
		While in Oregon, Washington, the American Northwest, they're beginning to get awfully dry.
		All that moisture that should be there instead is here, and the desert does not look at all like the desert.
		Now, I'm sure, well, I would imagine, anyway, we will return to the appropriate sort of dry weather.
		However, what if it didn't?
		For you know what, we'd be growing redwood trees here.
		And the redwood trees in Northern California, in the northwest part of the country, well, they'd all be drying up and falling over.
		And the landscape would be getting desert-like.
		But, of course, that could never happen.
		Now, a lot of ham radio operators have been wondering what has been negatively affecting the ability to communicate with the people they normally communicate with.
		In other words, the ionosphere has had something wacky with it.
		There's two good choices right now of why that might be.
		One is a story about HAARP, which actually created sparkles or an aurora, if you will, their own aurora above the HARP facility in Gokona, Alaska.
		They could actually, if they had run out as they pulsed the ionosphere with all this power, they would have seen this green sparkling going on.
		In fact, it was photographed.
		So we have man's hand dipping about and fooling around with the ionosphere.
		And then here's candidate number two.
		A huge explosion halfway across the galaxy packed so much power, it briefly altered Earth's upper atmosphere in December, according to astronomers.
		This was one they laid on as Friday.
		No known eruption beyond our solar system has ever appeared as bright upon arrival.
		But you couldn't have seen it, not unless you had X-ray vision, like Superman.
		In gamma rays, the event equaled the brightness of the full moon's reflected visible light, if you could have seen it.
		The blast, get this folks, originated 50,000 light years away and was detected December 27th.
		That means it happened 50,000 years ago.
		A light-year is, in fact, the distance that light can travel in one year, about 6 trillion miles or so.
		The commotion was caused by a special variety of neutron star known as a magnetar.
		Magnetar, I guess.
		These fast-spinning compact stellar corpses, that's what they are, dead stars, no larger than, say, a big city, create very, very intense magnetic fields that trigger explosions.
		The blast was 100 times more powerful than any similar eruption ever witnessed, according to David Palmer of Los Alamos National Laboratories, one of the researchers.
		In other words, this thing was so strong that it actually collapsed, to some degree, our upper atmosphere.
		So this thing was incredible, whatever it was.
		And it was sufficient, no doubt, to disrupt communications and do what normally you would only associate with sun flares and that kind of activity, you know, hitting the ionosphere.
		In this case, what happened was 50,000 light years ago.
		50,000 years ago is the way to think about it.
		Big Bang.
		A pair of NASA scientists told a group of space officials, you may have heard last week at a private meeting, that they've now found strong evidence that life may exist in Mars.
		It was a big announcement, whoa, you know, life on Mars.
		We have found life on Mars.
		And then one day later, the naysayers came along and said, well, no, wait a minute.
		Maybe not.
		So I guess we'll have to wait and see.
		Of course, the week brought news of the North Koreans not wanting to participate in the six-party talks and claiming they now have their own nuclear devices ready to go.
		And I don't know, echoes of Major Ed Dames, huh?
		Oh, and this, Justin, as they say, some New Mexicans say it's the weirdest thing they've ever seen.
		A creature, that's the best word to describe it, found on Albuquerque's West Mesa.
		To some, it's simply intriguing, to others, downright scary.
		The creature belongs to Robert Wheeler.
		It was found out on the West Mesa, says Wheeler.
		A friend of mine was out there shooting and kicked it out of the dirt.
		It looks like a gargoyle, said Wheeler's friend Steve.
		It has these sponge-like lips.
		Already I want a picture.
	Garcia and Wheeler say Hispanics seem most affected by the creature and what it might be.
	To people of Spanish heritage, it's the chupacabra.
	The goatsucker is what they call it.
	And I don't know, strange creatures are being seen all over the place.
	One in Southern California, too, recently, I believe.
	So, you know, there's all kinds of strange things going on out there.
	As you can see, in the first half hour, I didn't have to touch the national news, didn't even have to touch it.
	And I've still not made my way through all you should know.
	At any rate, we're going to break at the half hour, and we're going to begin taking calls.
	So if you have something urgent, important to get on the air, we're going to recite the numbers in a moment.
	You're going to want to listen carefully because they're a little different on the weekend.
	From the high desert, the socky, rain-ridden high deserts.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		Coast to Coast AM.
		Grass fires start to burn.
		Thank you.
		The warnings on the American's gonna be buried in the landfills.
		No sad songs and no return.
		Yeah, it's only going to take about a minute or so until the factory's blocked the sun out.
		And you're going to have to turn your lights on just to see.
		And then the lights are going to be neon saying fly our jets to paradise.
		And the whole damn world's going to be made of styrene.
		So listen, well, my brothers, when you hear the night wind sigh.
		And you see the wildest flying through the great polluted sky.
		There won't be no country music.
		There won't be no rock and roll.
		Because when they take away our country, they'll take away our soul.
		Oh, oh, oh.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
unidentified		Listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We just got this from Charles.
		I mentioned it to you, and here it is.
		Art, just in time for Coast to Coast AM returns to KFI, Los Angeles.
		The Los Angeles Times reported Sunday a very large creature weighing 400 to 600 pounds had entered the Simi Valley area and crossed the freeway near a pasture to California 23.
		The terrestrial creature was leaving saucer-sized pawprints, saucer-sized, between Simi Valley and Moore Park, northwest of Los Angeles, consisting of four toes six inches long.
		An animal resembling a lion had been seen by numerous residents there.
		So something going on in Southern California.
		creatures everywhere.
unidentified		Conspiracy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever in the hell it is in the Simi Valley area, it's been ruled out as being, for example, a, quote, freakishly overgrown mountain lion, end quote.
		They don't know what it is, but it's something big.
		It's disrupting people's evening walk in the Simi Valley area.
		So, I mean, who'd be out walking in the rain like we're having right now, right?
		But maybe.
		And can you imagine being out there and hearing this giant squish, squish, squoosh?
		Whatever the hell it is, walking toward you.
		And there you are.
		Nothing but a Simi Valley potato chip.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hi, I'll tell you, I have these funny feelings that something major is going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have a feeling something something major bad or what?
unidentified		Yeah, it started like three months ago, just before the tsunami.
		I was hearing this coming song at night.
		I kept telling my wife, you hear this coming song?
		She told me no.
		And then Christmas night, I told her, I said, I had this funny feeling.
		A whole bunch of people are going to die.
		And for some reason, I couldn't go to sleep Christmas night.
		And then the tsunami happens.
		Now, what I'm about to tell you just by coincidence, you know I'm a truck driver.
		I'm coming into the beltway in D.C. They got the highway shut down to one lane, and they got the radioactive scanner out on the highway scanning every car.
		Normally, people know what these things are.
		They're normally inside inspection stations for trucks, and they scan the trucks.
		This is out in the middle of the highway.
		I-95 is shut down to one lane, and they are scanning every car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then they're looking for something radiological in transport, aren't they?
unidentified		They wouldn't shut down.
unidentified		I've never seen them shut down the highway and put the scanner out there in the middle of the highway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've never heard of that myself.
unidentified		You know what I'm talking about, those feelings?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Clearly, I know what you're talking about, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		Yes, of course I know what you're talking about.
		And don't ignore those feelings.
		Listen, these feelings count.
		I think that human beings long ago sort of, I don't know, dismissed these feelings that they have.
		You know, something really major pending.
		We sort of talked ourselves out of it, if you know what I mean.
		And in the modern world where we have so much going on, phones going on, internet, you know, you're busy with a million things.
		Your mind is sort of on what's going on in front of you and not listening to little messages that are trying to pound their way in.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Welcome back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And I'm looking forward to your Thursday night show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well?
unidentified		Or the ABC show, which you will be featured, I hope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am, well, I'll probably get about 30 seconds.
unidentified		You'll probably get more than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I do hope is that they turn it into, you know, they're saying it's going to be a serious examination of you for a while.
unidentified		I'm off to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope that's true.
unidentified		Or this is Stephen from Columbus, Georgia.
		I have got to tell you an amazing story.
		When I heard it, I verified it and checked it out, and I said, this is an Art Bell story, if there ever was one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fire away.
unidentified		At the end of January, we had a terrific ice storm here in the Atlanta, you know, Columbus, Georgia, Atlanta area, Atlanta, Georgia, area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I remember the headline.
unidentified		Okay.
		On Monday morning, a commuter, a businessman, was on the way to Atlanta, Hartsville, Jackson Airport.
		And, of course, they were still going real slow.
		The ice was still there sparsely.
		And he noticed something in the median as he was passing it.
		And he thought it looked like a small animal stuck in between the median.
		So he got ahead, went in and got to the airport, parked, went inside, and after he got checked into security, he was trying to call Animal Control or the Atlanta Police Department or somebody to go and check this out.
		Whether they did or not, nobody knows.
		But at any rate, he got on his flight, flew to L.A., and when he got to L.A., of course, called his family, told him he'd made it to L.A. all right, and was telling the story to his mother, who was babysitting one of his daughters.
		And back in Atlanta, she decided to get back in her car.
		And this is the amazing part.
		She decided to get back in her car with her granddaughter, and they went and they tried to find the small animal that had this orange reflective collar on it.
		They found this little eight-week-old kitty in the medium, stuck in between two little poles.
		And that cat, now this is really going to knock you out.
		There was a number on the tag, a telephone number on the tag, and it was evidently this guy's pager.
		This guy finally called him back and said, why are you paging my number?
		And they asked, sir, do you own a small six to eight week old kitten?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it his?
unidentified		It was his wife's cat who had just been involved in an automobile accident in Atlanta on Friday before the ice storm hit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, I wonder how in the hell it got into the medium and how it was.
unidentified		Well, I'll tell you.
unidentified		The car overturned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, I've got that picture.
		Here's the part I wonder, how it was smart enough to stay on the medium instead of crossing into traffic and getting killed.
		That's amazing.
unidentified		This was absolutely the wildest story I've ever heard, and it is true.
		And let me tell you what Delta Airlines did.
		They took the cat to Delta Airlines, and they flew the cat to Colorado with a gentleman and his wife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, how cool is that?
unidentified		So they got their cat back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that's a great story.
		Thank you very much.
		That's a great story.
		How would a cat be smart enough, especially a kitten, to stay in the median and not go out and get squooshed?
		Animals are amazing.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Mike from Roseville, Michigan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Mike.
unidentified		Yeah, the other night someone was being interviewed, and he was representing the construction, the religious view of creation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean that we were created here 6,000 years ago?
unidentified		Yeah, and to me, it's like they could just as easily say we were created 6 minutes ago, and God gave us all of these memories to make us think that we've been living all these years?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, without being too flippant, sir, it's about as likely six minutes ago as 6,000.
		You know, I mean, clearly, the science is irrefutable.
		I mean, we do know how long we've been here, and it's way, way, way longer than 6,000 years.
unidentified		Or how about on the critics of your movie?
unidentified		You could have said, well, Charlton Heston got the juice to Israel in just a few hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thanks.
		Well, International Line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Hey, Art.
unidentified		I was calling about the satellite, the one I reported a couple months back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What satellite?
unidentified		It's a small satellite out there.
		I launched from a balloon.
		I told you about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
unidentified		The unbelievable one, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, you know, hardly anybody believed you.
		I mean, I get these computer messages.
		And do you have your radio on?
		Yeah, it's in the background.
unidentified		Let me turn it off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn it off, please.
		Hardly anybody believed you.
		Now, we don't know any private citizens that actually have put a satellite into orbit.
		It's so fantastic that a lot of messages came in of absolute disbelief, sir.
		Well, that's cool.
unidentified		I put it up there back in the early 90s.
		But anyway, that's not the point.
		I was calling because I was experiencing some weird problems on it.
		I had a digital camcorder on it, and it's seen in purple now.
		I think something either impacted it or the lens got burnout or something.
		But anybody that can receive 20.6 megahertz can intercept the signal.
		You've got to get the eight key points.
		I don't know what they are right now, but I haven't checked it since yesterday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't get 20.6 megahertz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that gig or meg?
unidentified		Meg.
unidentified		It's megahertz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		20.6 megs, really?
		Yeah.
		Well, now wait a minute.
		That's right in the middle of the short wave band.
unidentified		Well, it's not on any specific band.
unidentified		I mean, if you can point to the H key points, you can receive it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But all it is is an uplink.
unidentified		You can get my pictures on it or whatever you want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But by what mode are these pictures transmitted?
unidentified		GIF images?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		GIF?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And they're transmitted electronically in what fashion?
		Well, right now, I don't know what I'm going to do with it.
unidentified		I think it's going to burn up.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, see, you flunked that question.
		In other words, I was asking you what digital mode your GIF pictures were being transmitted in electronically.
		And you failed to answer that correctly, terminating your call.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, how are you, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Yeah, I got my radio down right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, good.
unidentified		I was calling because you're talking about, well, first of all, I'm calling from Tempe, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And it's been raining very much down here in the desert, as you were speaking earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The desert, if this keeps up, it's not going to be a desert.
unidentified		That's absolutely right.
		What I wanted to actually bring up with you is there's a lot of things that I study on the internet.
		My roommate Richard has told me a lot of things about, you know, he got me into coast to coast, been listening to me for a while.
		It's the first time I've been calling.
		And when you were talking about the large creatures, the large animals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		What I'm thinking is, if you remember in the Bible, and I don't have too much faith in the Bible, I've studied other things, but there was a flood that basically ended everything, and it was reborn again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And what I'm kind of getting at is, I mean, this may be a little bit far-fetched, but I think that whoever the gods or whoever, whatever you want to call it, that created the earth or has manifested in it, whatever they've created, they're probably coming back to let us know some new information about something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Think so?
unidentified		I absolutely think so.
		And I don't know, I mean, because when you mentioned, you know, the large animal, it started making me think these are probably, I mean, I don't want to call them demons, but I will call them something different than what we've ever experienced before.
		And they're probably here to give us the message of something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, one quote, one person's quote in one of the stories I just read was that it looked like a gargoyle.
unidentified		A gargoyle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, a gargoyle.
unidentified		We would say demon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would say demon.
		That's right.
		Gargoyle, demon, whatever.
		Look out out there.
		Southern California, New Mexico, and all this weird weather.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, all right.
		I was wanting to know your opinion on the self-inflicted gunshot wound to Mr. Gonzo Thompson, man.
		Cheer about that.
		Yes, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm very sad about it, as many people are.
		And you know why people take their own lives?
		I don't know why people take their own lives or decide to.
		And I guess we never know the answer, really, to that question, unless they leave us a big note.
unidentified		So were you familiar with this work and his opinions on kind of what was going on in society today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To some degree, yes.
		But again, the big question is why he decided to take his own life.
		Don't you wonder about that?
		I wonder, have any of you seen statistics on how many people in any given year, it certainly would be interesting, wouldn't it, take their own lives in the U.S. and then around the world in different countries.
		And I wonder if the suicide rate in the U.S. is proportionate with other nations or higher or lower.
		I really don't know.
		I'm sure that information is available somewhere.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
unidentified		This is Steve here calling from a place called Port Heron, Michigan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Steve.
unidentified		Me and my wife's been listening to your show for about the last year.
		And, you know, all the stuff that's going on, you know, the aliens and creatures that's running around.
		I mean, I've seen some things, but I just dismissed it, you know.
		You know, what's our choices?
		What are we going to do?
		I mean, we just kiss our butts goodbye because I'm like 41.
		Do you think anything major is going to happen within my lifespan?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can almost bet on it.
		Sure, something major already has happened in your lifespan, sir.
		A lot of major things have occurred in your lifespan, not the least of which was 9-11, the very large tsunami, things that one would only expect to see perhaps once in a lifetime, and they've already happened.
		So you're asking me, do I think something will happen in your lifetime?
		You bet it will.
		I've got a feeling something is coming pretty soon, actually.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Jeff from San Margino.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		I'm pretty good tonight, actually.
unidentified		Calling from Summit Valley, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And, you know, I'm not always convinced when I hear that somebody has allegedly committed suicide that that is, in fact, the case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm not sure what the official...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Yeah, I hope they look into it and they find out what really happened.
		The reason I called tonight is I'm looking forward to seeing you and Whitley and your director on the day after tomorrow on the Oscar stage for the Irwin Allen Disastacular Award.
		Special effects on that were quite effective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They were quite good, and it won, I believe, in Great Britain recently for special effects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we'll have to see what happens.
unidentified		Well, great.
		I wish you guys the best of luck, and I hope you're honored, and you get some accolades for that.
		And thanks for giving us the heads up on many topics over the years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		All right.
		Take care, my friend.
		And don't forget, speaking of heads up, this Thursday, that's right, this coming Thursday, so set your VCRs and DVRs and such right now, the ABC special on UFOs between 8 and 10 o'clock nationwide, 7 Central Time, I think.
		But check it out.
		Get out your guide.
		You don't want to miss this because obviously it will be a topic for discussion on the program.
		And we'll see what kind of treatment ufology gets.
		You're on the air coast to coast a hand with RPL.
		Good morning.
		Now that I pushed the button, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		How are you doing today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		My first name is Melissa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Melissa?
unidentified		I wanted to share a story.
		When I was about 19, I was sailing up in the San Juan Islands with my parents, and our fuel pump broke in which my father ordered me to turn off the engine.
		So we were actually adrift for about a good three hours.
		And to make a long story short, my parents both went down into the forward cabin, and I was up in the cockpit.
		And when I awoke in the morning, our boat was like sideways on the beach, which is up near Lumming Indian Reservation.
		And there were like these, if you could picture a peace sign, they were upside down peace signs.
		They were like footprints, some type of animal's footprints.
		They were going all around the boat.
		And I hear you talking about, what is it, tubercarbra?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, chubercabra.
unidentified		Have you ever heard about any of these type footprints?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as a matter of fact, yes, I have.
		I was just reading some stories.
		I mean, we're getting creature stories now sort of all across the West, New Mexico, Southern California, interesting creatures all over the place.
		What do you think that means?
unidentified		Well, all I know is I truthfully believe that somehow a creature had evidently pulled our sailboat up onto the beach because when I woke up in the morning, the boat was sideways.
		And this is about a 45-foot motor sailboat.
		You know, it's like a yacht, so it's very big.
		And I went, Dad, look at these footprints.
		And there were like, you know, it was going all around the boat, and it looked like upside-down sea signs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would be better than what creatures usually do, you know, which is to eat people like you.
unidentified		Well, we were on a boat, though.
		You've got to remember that.
		But who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, hey, I've seen people dragged out of boats by creatures in the movies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know what happens.
unidentified		Well, anyways, I also wanted to comment on the movie called.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, the little portal shatters and the hand comes in, and you get yanked out right through a little thin 18-inch portal.
unidentified		Have you seen the movie What Dreams Are Made Of?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, What Dreams Are Made Of?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why, of course.
unidentified		Do you think that's how it is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
		I don't think so either.
		But I did like The Day After Tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was I hope it was a warning to a lot of people.
		It was obviously perhaps a bit extreme, and the time, because it was a movie, it was just two hours.
		So you had to pack everything into two hours.
		So, yes, the time frame obviously was squished.
		But it should have served as a warning.
		And if that didn't serve as a warning, then the headlines that we're getting every single day, many like the ones I just read tonight, that ought to be a warning to you all.
		There's a change underway.
		If there's anything constant, it's change.
		And baby, it's moving right now.
		Coming up at the top of the hour, just a very few moments, we're going to have Russell Tarris.
		He was in the official U.S. government remote viewing program, a pioneer in many applications, and he knows a lot about stuff psychic.
unidentified		It is the night, my body's weak I'm on to run, no time to sleep I've got to ride, ride like the wind To be free again And I've got such a long way to go
		It's a long way to go
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is so much wisdom in that song.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Coming up, Russell Targ is a physicist and author who was a pioneer in the development of the laser and laser applications.
		That's hardware stuff, serious hardware stuff.
		He was also co-founder of the previously secret Stanford Research Institute's investigation into psychic abilities back in the 1970s and 80s.
		His work in this new area called remote viewing was published in Nature, the magazine Nature, the Proceedings of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, IEEE, and the Proceedings of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.
		Russell did graduate work in physics at Columbia University and is co-author of six books dealing with the scientific investigation of psychic abilities.
		In 1997, he retired from Lockheed Martin Missile and Space Company as a senior staff scientist.
		He now pursues ESP research in Palo Alto, California, and is also publishing special editions of classic books into psychic research.
		Now, it's going to be very interesting to ask him about the story we read a little while ago about what's going on at Princeton.
		Now, in this consciousness experiment, we now know that once again, the needle just went off the chart just before the earthquake that produced the tragic tsunami.
		So we're beginning to get a lot of history under our belt with this.
		It's beginning to get to be very impressive.
unidentified		The End Russell Tarek, welcome back to the program.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Very happy to be with you this evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great to have you.
		I read a story in the first hour about this continuing experiment at Princeton.
		Are you sort of up on that?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, that's the work done largely by Roger Nelson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		And it turns out now that the most recent gigantic event was indeed recorded about 30 minutes ahead of time.
		I refer to the earthquake that caused the tsunami.
		The needles just went off the chart again at Princeton.
		Now, it's getting to the point where they've got enough history under their belt that this is beginning to look awfully real.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		You may be interested to know the biggest effect that they've ever seen was not from an earthquake or a natural disaster, but rather from the acquittal of O.J. Simpson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		What people watch, what scientists like Dean Raden and Roger Nelson watch, is the change in the noise of 30 or 40 random number generators all over the world.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And what it appears is that when some momentous world-class event takes place, then the noise output of the random number generators diminishes as they become coherent as though they are becoming entrained or coherent with the worldwide consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		That's one way of looking at it.
		Now, events like tsunamis, for example, start slowly, and then you build up and you have an earthquake, and then you build up and you have a tsunami.
		And that whole event extends over a dozen hours in the case of tsunami, because the wave had to travel all the way from Indonesia across the Indian Ocean to Africa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		It's a very, very long time event.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		So it's tough for a scientist to say, in my strip chart that's running, when did the event occur?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, according to this article, they began registering the spike about 30 minutes before the actual earthquake itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're familiar, of course, with the 9-11 results.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And then it occurred before the phenomenon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		The problem with this data is that a spike could occur two hours before the event, as it did with 9-11, or two hours after the event, or five hours after the event.
		And the experimenter in a case like that has a lot of leeway to say, look at my chart.
		I have this very unusual anomaly occurring.
		But they don't say in advance when it's going to occur.
		That's why a magician has such a great opportunity when he's showing you a magic trick.
		You, in general, don't know what the actual trick is going to be.
		It's an open end point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's a quote by Dick Berman of the University of Amsterdam about all of this.
		He says, very often paranormal phenomena evaporate if you study them for long enough, says Dick Berman of the University of Amsterdam.
		But, quote, this is not happening with the Global Consciousness Project.
		The effect is real.
		The only dispute is about what it means, end quote.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I agree with him.
		Dick is a physicist, very thoughtful man.
		I know him well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a very strong statement.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's clear that something anomalous is happening.
		In the case of the O.J. Simpson example, it's really my favorite instance of all these random number generators getting coherent.
		Because in the O.J. case, you had hundreds of millions of people clustered around their radios and television sets waiting for 9 a.m.
		And I did that when I was at SRI also.
		We just clustered around our sets.
		And the event occurred.
		That is, it's like the Academy Award.
		The judge tore open the envelope and announced the result.
		And they said, not guilty.
		And that event had an instantaneous occurrence.
		And there was no doubt as to when that event occurred.
		And that was the largest of the events with the Global Red Remmer generator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Russell, the reason I think that this is so important is because it has a lot of characteristics of remote viewing, just in the sense that it seems to transcend time.
		It seems to be an arena of consciousness or it seems to prove an arena of consciousness being something real in the ether, in the air, everywhere, all around us.
		The very same arena that perhaps remote viewers work in more studiously, in a more studied way, and more disciplined way.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I agree with that.
		I think that in the case of the random number generators, the global consciousness project that has been carried out now for quite a number of years, these are all well-intentioned, careful people.
		The criticism that's been made by a number of parapsychologists, and Dick Berman would be among them without certainly, is that the researchers are in general not able to say in advance when the signal is going to occur.
		So if there's global consciousness responding to an event, we know that there's precognition, so that we'd like to agree, well, if hundreds of thousands of people are going to be killed, you might like to have a big event occur when they're killed rather than several hours before they're killed.
		Or in the case of the 9-11 disaster, if people are going to crash into a building and kill 3,000 people, you'd expect the global consciousness of the planet to hold its breath when that happened rather than two hours before it happened, before the people even got on the airplane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, those who do remote viewing claim a more disciplined science, a very much more disciplined science.
		And so where were the remote viewers on 9-11?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's hard for a remote viewer to be continually scanning.
		First of all, it happened early in the morning in New York and even earlier in California.
		So the easy answer to your question is that most of the remote viewers were asleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I meant days, weeks, months prior to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody seemed to catch a whiff of it.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, no one was scanning.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Our program at SRI was turned off, as you know, in 1995 when the government said, you guys have been doing good work for 25 years, since 1972, but we no longer have any enemies, so we don't need a psychic group of people doing surveillance for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that statement is still valid today?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		No, I think that we obviously have a lot of enemies, and I think a remote viewing program would be very helpful.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		The reason the program was killed in 1995 is that people like the Defense Intelligence Agency and the CIA took a lot of flack from Congress and from the press, and high-level people hate to be teased.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		It's career-limiting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Russell, here's a really important question for you.
		If there had been a team of remote viewers, good ones, scanning.
		Is it possible for such a thing?
		In other words, can you have a team devoted to doing nothing other than scanning for major, imminent, gigantic, perhaps even preventable things, events that are going to happen?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Paul Smith talks about this in his new book, where Paul Smith is one of the leaders of the Fort Meade remote viewing program during the Cold War.
		He describes that during his training, his monitor, his remote viewing monitor, said, now I have a different task for you.
		Tell me what's the next important thing that we're going to be dealing with here in Army intelligence.
		And he didn't know the answer.
		He just said, tell me what's the next thing.
		And Paul said, I see a ship and it's been struck by an airborne missile.
		Some kind of bomber has dropped a missile.
		It's hit the ship.
		I see people running around.
		There's oil spilled all over.
		There's a big fire.
		And he then said to his monitor, who I believe was Ed Daines, how did I do?
		And he said, well, how should I know?
		This is in the future.
		This is something that's going to happen.
		And two days later, the destroyer Cole, that's not right, Stark, the Stark destroyer was struck by an Exocet missile from an Iraqi airplane.
		So this is something that Paul Smith, who's one of the great remote viewing teachers, was able to describe two days before it occurred in response to somebody asking a question just like the one you suggested, what's the next big thing we're going to be dealing with?
		He scanned the whole universe.
		He was in Fort Meade.
		He wasn't in Iraq.
		He was able to scan the universe and say the next thing we're going to deal with is a destroyer being hit by a missile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When the Defense Intelligence Agency, CIA and others, were supporting all of this in the 70s and 80s, I believe at Stanford, right?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Stanford Research Institute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's right.
		That's right.
		What kind of tasking were they given and what really were the results?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		We were generally given real-time tasking.
		One of our famous cases I worked on with psychic policeman Pat Price, we were looking at a Soviet research and development laboratory in Soviet Siberia, and we were asked to describe what are they doing.
		And Price was able to describe a giant crane rolling back and forth over a building, which appeared in his mind's eye, in his mental space.
		And he then went on to say, inside the building, they're fabricating a large steel sphere about 60 feet in diameter that they're welding together from orange peel shapes, such as their building.
		The CIA concluded from that that they were making some kind of containment vessel, probably a particle beam weapon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And two years later, that exact steel sphere, 60 feet in diameter, was rolled out of the building price described, and it was indeed part of a particle beam weapon to shoot down the satellites that were taking the pictures that we used for confirmation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God, that's a hit, all right.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And we wound up standing in the well of the House of Representatives defending our program because the House Committee on Intelligence Oversight felt that there was no way some psychics in California could have that intelligence unless there was some kind of security leak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, in fact, no leak was found, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's talk about the need today.
		I had a call in the first hour of the program rustle from a truck driver who said, you know, we're used to being tested.
		We go into one of the WAVE stations and they do a radiological test.
		You know, they look for anything that might be going tick, tick, tick.
		But he said, gee, you know, they've got the highway closed down to one lane, and they've got somebody out there testing every single vehicle.
		I mean, he named the highway for radiological tick, tick, ticks.
		And that's a little scary.
		And so if there's somebody out there with something that is going tick, tick, tick, it seems to me that there we have a solid job for a remote viewing team.
		And the fact that our government would not now be supporting such an effort when we are at such incredible risk blows my mind.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that we could do something like that, but it would be difficult.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		It's a boring task is my short answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A boring task.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		It would be difficult for a remote viewer to sit in a toll booth next to the toll taker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, I wasn't suggesting that so much as sitting.
		I suppose remote viewing doesn't have to be located right at the place where the bomb passes, right?
		Remote viewing.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		The remote viewer could have a kind of global task focusing on what's the next hazard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		I mean, how can we not be doing this, Russell?
		How can we not be doing it?
		If you really believe in what you were doing and you really believe that these results were real and you're quoting us results, how can we not be doing it?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we found a downed Soviet airplane and Chinese atomic bomb test.
		We worked on the Iranian hostage situation.
		So I have no doubt that what we're doing is real.
		We even had a commendation from Jimmy Carter for finding a downed Russian bomber with an atomic bomb on it, which we found by remote viewing.
		So we have a lot of experience and a lot of accreditation for things that we did.
unidentified		Then how can we not be doing it?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		The reason we're not doing it is that people are more fearful about being teased in their job than they are of getting the job done.
		The first place was really spelled out to me when I was doing work at Lockheed, which is not psychic work, but building wind shear detectors.
		And we went to the Air Force and said, this is a serious problem.
		There have been several crashes due to wind shear, and people have been killed.
		Aren't you guys interested in working on this?
		He said, we don't have a solution for it.
		Working on problems that have no solution is career limiting.
		When you show us a solution, then we'll support you.
		We're not going to support the research.
		Eventually, we did have a solution.
		We were solved.
		But in a way, remote viewing is like that.
		We don't understand how remote viewing works, though we've become very skillful at helping people develop the ability.
		And probably, until we have a sound, proven theory for the mechanism for psychic functioning, there's always going to be skepticism about its efficacy and whether it should be supported.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The media is picking up a little bit better on this sort of thing.
		They've just begun a new series, and I hope you've caught it.
		It's called Medium, and I wanted to take a chance to recommend that to my audience.
		I don't do that with a lot of programs, but this program called Medium is really superb.
		It's really well done.
		Have you seen it?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I have not seen it.
unidentified		Oh, I have it.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		But I certainly agree that the whole country is picking up on the importance and availability of remote viewing.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		When I was on your show a couple of years ago, I was very impressed that there were 60,000 sites on Google pertaining to remote viewing as an entity in quotation marks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And then the following year, last year, I looked again before I was on your show, and there were 160,000.
		And I thought that was astonishing.
		So I looked again today, and there's 365,000 sites pertaining to remote viewing.
		So you have a doubling time of a year.
		So if you find a way to invest money in psychic functioning, it's evidently a growth industry.
		And the reason for that is very easy to explain, and that is remote viewing is very easy to do.
		There are hundreds of people around the country teaching how to do remote viewing, how to get in touch with your psychic abilities.
		When people learn how to do that, they're just amazed that that ability has been latent.
		And you know what they do?
		They go out and teach other people.
		So you have an absolutely exponential growth in the interest in remote viewing and people who are teaching remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there.
		We'll be right back.
		Russell Targ is my guest from the high desert, which is turning green with all the rain.
		I'm Art Bell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, not everybody wants to know about the future.
		I, for example, don't really want to know.
		I mean, in a way I do, and I have feelings about it, and I even have concerns, even worries about it.
		But I'm not sure that I want to know for sure.
		How about you?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is a remote viewer.
		His name is Russell Targ.
		He's very, very well respected in all sorts of psychic circles, in a lot of, frankly, technical circles.
		He's a very, very interesting guy.
		And I've got a couple of incredibly important questions for him.
		But first, I see that remote viewers may have been involved with the police and the FBI during the Patricia Hearst kidnapping mess.
		Is that true?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we certainly were.
		I want to mention that you were talking before about why people don't believe in ESP.
		Our very first book, Mind Reach, has a whole chapter that I wrote with hell put off talking about the loyal opposition and why people are just afraid of psychic abilities.
		So I just wanted to mention MindReach had gone out of print.
		It was selling for $150 a copy on Amazon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		We've now brought it back.
		So we have a brand new issue of MindReach talking about the classified stuff that we had done for the CIA for the first time.
		And it describes the classified applications that you and I were just talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But while out of print, that thing went for $100 and a half?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy mackerel.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		That convinced Hampton Rhodes to bring it back in a new edition with a lot of new information.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		So you have the very first book ever written about remote viewing, which is the one Hal Putoff and I wrote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back on the market.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Back on the market.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And it has a lot of new information, and it was a collector's item and is now available.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did remote viewers do in the Patty Hearst case?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		The police department at Berkeley came to visit us at SRI a couple of days after Patty Hearst was kidnapped.
		And they said that we have a kidnapping and that Patricia Hearst had been taken by somebody.
		And that somebody was a Symbonese Liberation Army.
		And they had no idea what it was.
		They were looking for Symbia on the map to try and find who could have done that.
		And Pat Price told them on the spot when they first came to SRI that it was a political case and not a ransom case.
		And Helput Off and Pat Price and I, this is actually the first time I'm telling this story.
		We went to the Berkeley police station with the detectives there and Pat Price asked for a mug book, the list, a picture book of the people who had been arrested or were known criminals in that area.
		And he just sat down at a big oak desk and started turning the pages.
		And this must have been 1974 when the kidnapping was.
		And he turned pages and got to about the tenth page with four pictures on a page.
		And he put his finger on the picture of one man.
		He said, that's the man.
		That's the ringleader.
		And his name was DeVries.
		And it turned out that he was the man we know now as Sin Q. And nobody knew anything about it.
		This was an absolute cold call.
		Price picked him out of the book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		This is a political kidnapping.
		And they said, well, that guy actually just escaped from prison a few months ago.
		This is the first we've heard about him.
		Where did they go?
		Meanwhile, they had taken us to Patty Hurst's house where there were still cartridges rolling around on the floor under the bed.
		And Price said, Well, I can tell you where they've gone.
		I don't know where they are now, but they headed north.
		He pointed north and said, as he closed his eyes, I see two big white gas storage tanks and a restaurant and a bridge over the freeway right next to these tanks.
		And one of the detectives said, I know where that would be.
		That's not far from here.
		That's just over by the refinery.
		And as we sat in the police station, they dispatched a cruiser, found the kidnapped car, which is a station wagon.
		Of course, they had left it, but they were extremely impressed that we were able to sit in Berkeley and tell them exactly where to go to find the kidnapped car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm extremely impressed by the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Russell, why has this not been told before?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, we didn't want to tell the story until the last of the perpetrators was actually in prison because of the possible danger to ourselves.
		At this point, I'm very sympathetic to what you were saying before, and that is that it's time to tell the truth.
		Yes.
		I'm not actively doing remote viewing.
		I'm interested now in helping people to understand that psychic abilities exist.
		You can use this to make money in the market.
		You can find your car keys.
		But I think that psychic ability has on its world stage the great importance that it shows us that we greatly misapprehend the whole nature of space-time.
		The fact that Pat Price can quiet his mind, look into the distance, look into the past, describe what occurred, and tell us where something was indicates that our capabilities are far beyond the limitations that are being set on it.
		So I really have an almost propagandistic interest now in getting people to explore their own psychic abilities and learn to do this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		As I understand remote viewing, time is not really a factor.
		Whether we're dealing with the present or the future or the past, it deals equally in these realms.
		Is that accurate?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		That's why we say it's a non-local ability.
		Non-locality says that space and time simply don't matter.
		And the most important thing I can tell you about psychic ability is that it's no harder to describe an object across the planet than it is across the street.
		Similarly, there's no greater difficulty in describing what you will see in the paper tomorrow than there is in describing the object I'm holding in my hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And I have a description of how that works.
		So I'd like to give my website, which is ESPresearch.com.
		I have a number of papers on my website that talk about how ESP works together with other things that I'm doing.
		So you can find Russell Targ at my website, ESPresearch.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope it holds up.
		We've taken a lot of websites down.
		A lot of people listen.
		Russell, remote viewing, then could conceivably predict a specific event in the future, correct?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there's no doubt about it.
		On the bad news side of the Patricia Hearst case, which is also worth mentioning, we worked for about a week with the Berkeley Police Department, and we also worked a little bit with the Sheriff's Department of Alameda County.
		And we also worked with the FBI, and we were sworn to not communicate anything between those three agencies.
		It was very much like the failure of the FBI and the CIA to detect the perpetrators of 9-11, in that here you had the Berkeley police, the FBI, and the sheriff's deputy absolutely not communicating with one another.
		If they had gotten together, they'd have probably found Patricia Hearst and the other perpetrators months in advance of what they did.
		But each one felt that they were about to find the heiress, which would be a big prize, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And as a result, they didn't cooperate.
		It wasn't a failure of intelligence, because they had enough information.
		It was a failure of cooperation.
		And our president is trying to overcome that right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can the future be changed?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		You can make use.
		I believe that events are determined.
		I think that things have causes.
		But we can know the future.
		And if you don't like the future that you see, it appears that you have some choice as to what's going to happen.
		An example of that would be where our CIA contract monitor during the program had seen a lot of psychic functioning in our laboratory.
		He'd seen many things.
		This is Ken Kress, who's now written a paper that's in the public domain about the work we did for the CIA.
		So a lot of this is coming available.
		But Kress was in Detroit with a colleague, and he had a dream, he had a very frightening dream about being in an airplane crash.
		And he was a very, very experienced flyer, has flown thousands of airplane trips.
		But this was so frightening that he decided to cancel his trip.
		He just felt from what he knew about psychic abilities, he wasn't going to do this.
		And as he drove his partner to the airport, the partner got on the airplane and flew away.
		Chris then had the terrible experience of seeing the plane crash.
		So what we would say here is that he used his precognitive dream, the information in the precognitive dream, to avoid putting Himself on the airplane.
		He experienced the crash by seeing it, but he didn't have to experience the crash by taking part in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the answer is that's yes.
		It's a yes.
		The future can be changed.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would be a good example of a yes, where he was able to make use of information that was psychically derived to not have that experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that certainly raises the worth of the ability to do this then.
		That was a big question.
		I mean, if the future is written in concrete, then what's the point?
		Other than, I guess, knowing when you're going to go or when something big is going to happen.
		But if indeed an event can be altered, then the worth of what you're doing goes way, way up.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that we have life-saving opportunities.
		In the book I was talking about, Mind Reach, I talk about an early experience where I was riding my motorcycle on a parkway in Palo Alto where I live, and I began to worry as I would buzz along this high-speed street, what would happen if there was a branch or board in the road?
		If I would hit a board at 40 miles an hour, I might crash.
		And I sort of began to worry about that.
		This is a nice, open, clear road with nothing in it.
		But I began to slow down and slow down as I worried about this mythical board.
		And as I came around the corner, there was the board in front of me.
		But I was then going slowly enough so I could just bump over it instead of crashing.
		So it's a way of making use of psychic abilities in your life, seeing what's in your future or in the distance, which is often the same thing, to actually enhance the quality of your life or avoid an accident.
		So the answer to your question, I believe, is yes, that you can use psychic abilities.
		You can use your precognitive abilities to change an outcome that appears to you psychically.
		It's as though you move off the ordinary materialistic plane where we live, the ordinary real space-time plane, and get information and see the future.
		And if you're able to do that, if you can quiet your mind and look into the future, then you can make use of that information.
		If you don't quiet your mind, if you just bump along in the freeway, in the subway with the psychic noise and the physical noise, then you're going to be subject to ordinary causality and whatever is going to happen will happen.
		You don't have a lot of control.
		That's why all the disciplines that teach meditation say it's critical to take charge of your chattering mind and find out a way to quiet it so that you can expand your awareness and take advantage of the opportunities that are right at hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, this may have been an ability that human beings have long had and have sort of, I don't know, masked over by the noise of modern living.
		I mean, I am surrounded by computers.
		I have deadlines.
		I'm watching clocks.
		I'm doing a million things in my mind when I'm doing a program like this, Russell.
		My mind is not quiet.
		There's no chance that I'd get a vision or a warning of anything.
		I'm so busy, like most people, frankly, are.
		However, remember the recent earthquake and tsunami?
		Well, the story was that almost all the animals escaped.
		They knew it was coming.
		The animals escaped, but not the human beings.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, the animals had time.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		They didn't have to check their email.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The human beings died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The animals got out of there in time.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've read that, that they ran to higher ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, is that what we're talking about here?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, what we're talking about is find that I want to agree with you.
		It's been known for thousands of years that the earliest Vedic writing and the Hindus and the Buddhists and the Gnostic Christians, the Kabbalistic Jews, and the Sufis, that's everybody, all the mystics have known since 2,000
		years before Christ that it was possible to expand your awareness and experience moving into these spacious realms.
		It's been talked about, we can talk about that later on.
		But that ability is available, but you have to find the off switch on your mental chatter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Easier said than done, actually.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're busy in the studio.
		There must be a half an hour during the day where you can sit.
		Not to be disrespectful, but everybody has a half an hour where they can sit down and discover who they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And that's what's been asked for for millennia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, is it true that you worked with the NSA?
		The NSA is probably, I would think, the most secretive agency that we have.
		I mean, they're really a dark, dark agency.
		And they break codes, do things like that.
		And was your group involved with the NSA?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		We had two very humorous interactions with the NSA, and the NSA is not known for their humor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely not.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		In the very first remote viewing that we did with Ingo Swan, when he first came and taught Hal Putoff and me how to be psychic, we had something called Project Scanate, which is scanning by coordinates.
		And a CIA friend, who was not even a contract monitor at that time, gave us the coordinates of his cabin.
		And Ingo Swann was then given those coordinates and asked to describe what was there.
		And of course, we didn't know what it was, except that it was coordinates that looked like they were on the east coast of America.
		And Swan went on to describe a large facility with underground bunkers and a semicircular driveway and buildings and radar dishes and on and on.
		And just about that time, Pat Price called us, having heard about our work with Uri Geller, which is another story.
		And he said, Oh, I can look at that site.
		I've been using my psychic ability to catch crooks.
		And Price drifted psychically into the place and read the file folders inside the building.
		Price was the only one we know who could read.
		And all the material they gave was correct.
		And the CIA was very amazed because that wasn't what they had targeted us on.
		And Price explained, well, the more you hide something psychically, the more it shines like a beacon in psychic space.
		The reason I zeroed in on this is that guy's cabin was not so interesting, but this huge NSA facility really got my attention.
		I described that whole event with the NSA in MindReach.
		It was the only place that's ever been described how Price was able to read the file folders.
		We wound up having a whole NSA investigation because they were furious with the idea that the CIA would target psychics on a super secret code-breaking facility in Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, bro.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And they was not amused by that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure not.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		After the hour, I can tell you about the other entertaining thing we did with the NSA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Entertaining, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it doesn't sound like they were particularly entertained, perhaps horrified.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, everything we did taught us more about the capabilities that we all have with our psychic abilities.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		It was a great learning process for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but it seems to me, after such an event, the NSA, for example, would want you on their side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if they couldn't have you on their side, then they would want you locked up in a very deep, dark basement somewhere, unavailable to be looking at their secret code-breaking facilities.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Let's talk about code-breaking after the hour.
unidentified		All right.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the way to do a tease.
		Code-breaking after the hour.
		The NSA.
		Be no such agency folks.
		I just, I don't know.
		Humor doesn't seem like the right word.
		Alerted, horrified, and many other words that I probably ought not use.
		All right, everybody, we'll take a break from the high desert, the high green desert.
		This is Coast to Coast AM, raging through the night this night with Russell Tark.
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		You know he's never going to stop moving.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whoever's in charge of the server that serves up the Fast Blast questions, let me inform you that it's blown up.
		It's not working.
		Too many questions, I suspect, for Russell Targ.
		I'm sure we'll get that repaired back online shortly.
		But we have a lot of notches in our Let's Take Down a Server quest here on Coast to Coast.
		Damn, Russell Targ is my cast, and he's real McCoy.
		He goes way back.
		The original program, the whole remote viewing thing, it's as real as a heart attack.
		We're going to talk about code breaking in the NSA in a moment.
		Once again, Russell Targ, and I think the subject was code-breaking.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		You know, I could mention that people have figured out while your server is down that they can send questions to me directly at ESPresearch.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you really want some email, do you?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I don't want 10 million, but if somebody has a question, they can write to ESPresearch.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a website here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that's a website.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm reachable through that.
unidentified		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to give out your actual email address?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		That's very easy.
		My actual email has a spam arrest, so it will slow them down.
		But if they go through my website, they can do it swiftly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		It will be actually easier through the website than through my you understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there's a submission place on the website they can click on and just send off email.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And send me a whole letter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you, of course, will respond instantly.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Instantly, as I'm talking to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, don't do that.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Parallel processing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, multitasking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Code breaking.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		After the CIA sent us off looking at the NSA facility in Virginia, we became friendly with some of the people at the NSA and said, no, no, we weren't spying on you.
		It's all the CIA's fault.
		And we began to talk with people at the NSA.
		Maybe we could investigate the security of their codes.
		Would they give us a piece of code and we would try and read it psychically?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And they thought that was a very interesting idea because they'd like to know if their billion-dollar program was really secure.
		And we pursued that with them.
		Hal Putoff actually had been employed at the NSA before he came to Stanford Research Institute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're telling me they actually supplied you with some sort of code?
		What?
		In what form?
		A computer program?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		No, no, that's what we proposed to them.
		But that idea trickled up, and we gave many briefings.
		It trickled up the line at NSA.
		And they were worried about having us actually look at their code because their code is so secret, they didn't want some psychics in California to see it, obviously.
		What could be sillier than that?
		So I had a good proposal for them.
		I said, why don't you put your, give us a paragraph of coded message, put it in a sealed envelope inside of a top-secret envelope and send it into the SRI security system for us to hold but not open.
		And we, because of our remote viewing, all had top secret clearances, so this is an appropriate thing to do.
		Just write out a paragraph in your best cipher, send it into the security people at SRI, and we will tell you what's in the envelope, and we don't even have to open your silly envelope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, brother.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Now, we had good reason to believe that that was going to work because we had done many, many experiments of the form.
		Here's a picture of a national geographic site.
		Tell me what it looks like.
		And that was our stock and trade.
		And we had done that for the CIA and for other people.
		And we knew that the object-in the envelope trick could be well done by remote viewing.
		The idea that we could break their code without even seeing it so upset them right up the line to Bobby Inman, who is head of the NSA, that they broke off all contact with us at all.
		They didn't want to discuss it.
		The whole idea basically freaked them out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it did.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Now, since then, years later, I've been teaching remote viewing in Italy and other places.
		The Italians are very, very psychic, and that's another story we could talk about.
		But at one workshop I was teaching, my wife Patricia was taking another workshop on some kind of sensitivity training where all the attendees would write a question in Italian, of course, and put it in an envelope.
		And then each of the attendees would reach into the box, pull out an envelope, hold their hand over it, and write an answer to the question.
		You got that?
		It's all in Italian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And of course, my wife doesn't speak Italian, and the thing is in the envelope anyway.
		But to go along with the gag, she wrote out in English that what this person should do was get more exercise, start walking, take time out of their life to get in touch with their physical body, and so on and so forth, which is not actually apropos to the spiritual workshop.
		When the envelope was open, the person had asked in Italian, what sort of exercise program should I start to deal with my aches and pain in physical body?
		So this was a case where Patricia did exactly what we had proposed to do for the NSA.
		A message was written in a code called Italian, was sealed in an envelope, and somebody was able to read the code and respond to it while the whole thing was all sealed up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, all of these are extremely impressive.
		Of course, Russell.
		But let me ask you this.
		You're telling us about your hits, and that's what I would expect you to do.
		How many misses are there?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		In the overall remote viewing, the work at SRI and the outstanding work of Joe McMonagall, who is one of our remote viewers and probably the most successful, we're right about two-thirds of the time.
		So I'm certainly not saying we're right all the time, though that has happened.
		As you know, when we were forecasting silver into the commodity exchange a number of years ago, we made nine forecasts over a period of nine weeks, and we're right every time.
		And we can talk about that later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But to be right, two-thirds of the time about specific events is so astronomically above the possibility of chance.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		No, sir, we're not talking about chance at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, obviously.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Because people give remarkably accurate descriptions of places, events.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		But here's the thing, Russell.
		It's so remarkably beyond all of that that I can't believe that embarrassment or even, I don't know, fright, fear, any of those things would keep the agencies that need the kind of information you could supply from utilizing you and people like you.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's two different sources of interference with our pursuing psychic ability.
		One is the people from the French Revolution and the Enlightenment, who are represented by Modern Physics and the New York Times, who would rather be wrong than be silly.
		As long as they have company, as long as the establishment says there's no psychic ability, They will go along with that idea rather than break new ground and be laughed at.
		The New York Times is protecting us from superstition and silly ideas and crackpots, and the good great times is out there defending us.
		So, as far as the Times is concerned, there is no ESP.
		The scientific community, represented by our good buddy Michio Kaku, for example, says there's no psychic ability.
		Modern science understands everything in the physical universe, he says, and will soon have an equation less than an inch long to describe everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And there is no ESP.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		So he is also trying to defend, he's basically trying to save physics from us, from you and me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've been urging Dr. Kaku to look into the Princeton stuff, for example, and remote viewing, and he's promised me he would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's enough here so that even Dr. Kaku, who is a scientist above all, I hope, and I'm sure, would look at the numbers and couldn't deny something worth investigating.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		The data is overwhelming.
		The CIA says, describe the site, and the man draws an eight-wheel crane and a gantry, or he describes an atomic bomb test that failed, as we did with China, or we describe the location of Patricia Hearst's car.
		There are just so many events.
		And in the book that I've written, especially in Mindreach, which was the one we just brought back that I'm talking about, we have a multitude of pictures where I get to hide at the superdome and a person draws the superdome.
		The next day I hide at Grant's tomb and he draws Grant's tomb.
		So you can't say that it's his lucky day.
		Now, the other interesting group of people who are worried about psychic functioning are not the materialists, but the American fundamentalists who say, yes, there is psychic functioning, but it's from the devil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And we had those at CIA also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		Listen, I definitely don't underestimate the number of fundamentalists in America.
		I very well know how many there are, and there are many.
		Russell, I get zillions of email from fundamentalists, and that's exactly what they believe.
		And that's a very, very strong force in America right now.
		Politically, it's a gigantic force.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		That was very amazing for us.
		At the CIA, we were doing good work.
		They even hired Pat Price away from us to work for the CIA.
		And at that time, there were still people within the CIA said there couldn't be anything like that.
		It doesn't make any sense.
		And other people saying, yes, we know this is ESP, but it's satanic, so we shouldn't be doing it.
		It's really hard for a physicist to know what to do caught between those powerful forces.
		What we do is we teach everybody we can find how to do this, and eventually, with 365,000 remote viewing sites, we will simply overwhelm the naysayers because they'll look around and discover that everybody around them is psychic, making use of remote viewing except them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the thing is, most scientists don't believe in God.
		And so if they don't believe in God, they don't believe in an entity that would be creating evil.
		I mean, I have asked scientist after scientist, the real McCoy, that come on my program, and press to the wall, they'll tell you, no, I don't believe in God.
		And so you would think that the scientific community would sort of generally look at this somewhat neutrally, wouldn't they?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		You would hope so.
		People don't.
		Researchers don't believe in ESP.
		They see it and they experience it.
		I don't believe in ESP any more than I believe in lasers.
		I know how to manifest it.
		We once had a very famous, I was going to say a Nobel Prize, he should be a Nobel Prize, but a famous scientist came to our lab and was part of SRI's oversight committee.
		He said, show me something psychic.
		And the way I always did that is that I would help him get in touch with his own psychic abilities by having him describe where somebody else had gone to hide.
		And of course, I wouldn't know where the other people went to hide.
		This is the kind of psychic hide-and-go-seek that we did for two decades at SRI.
		So this fellow, I finally explained to him in his shocked condition that he was going to be the psychic.
		And I said, now close your eyes and tell me what you experience with your eyes shut with regard to where they're hiding.
		And he said, well, what do you think?
		When I close my eyes, it's dark.
		I don't see anything.
		So I persuaded him to imagine that he saw something.
		And he said, well, I can imagine that I see a duck.
		It reminds me of my mother's farm back in Israel.
		And that's all I get.
		I don't get anything else.
		It's dark when I close my eyes.
		And then our lab director and Hal came back from their hiding place, which in this case was the duck pond.
		So we took him out, showed him the traveling orders, and the duck was still sitting on the road for him to see.
		So if I can just get the person to suspend their disbelief, it's very easy to manifest psychic abilities, which is why you've got all these hundreds of thousands of sites, because people are catching on that disability is available.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But our government, which needs it the very most right now, near as I can tell, I mean, we're in fear of nuclear and biological weapons and god-awful things are on the horizon.
		The whole world's climate may be changing.
		The North and South Pole are sort of melting.
		I mean, all these really wild things are going on.
		We could certainly use these talents officially.
		And again, I'm saying it doesn't seem to me that embarrassment or fear are sufficient to keep something that has a two-thirds correct hit rate on individual things to happen or to locate can be ignored.
		It just can't be ignored.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I certainly agree with you.
		And the fact that psychic abilities exist as robustly as they do show that we significantly misapprehend the nature of the space and time we live in.
		The fact that you can look into the distance, look into the future, and describe what's there shows that we have capabilities far beyond the limitations that are normally believed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		My words keep echoing in my own mind.
		How can they ignore it?
		They just can't.
		And yet, for some reason, they are.
		I mean, fear and embarrassment at those levels, not enough.
		They would want to know.
		They would want to employ these talents.
		Why aren't they knocking on the door?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's also a scientific argument.
		The fact that psychic abilities work as well as they do show that we significantly misapprehend the whole nature of the space and time that we live in.
		So it's a kind of head-in-the-sand ostrich posture that prevents the government from supporting this.
		I would think that as more and more tens of thousands of people bring psychic abilities into their lives, that even the federal government will catch on to the fact that there's an ability here that should be pursued.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's try it from this angle.
		Let's try it from the pure science angle.
		Russell, do you think there's a time when physics, hard physics, when hard science will stumble into the realm of remote viewing or into the area perhaps as we approach this new age of quantum everything, there's going to be a point where science and the metaphysical are going to meet.
		What do you think, Russell?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I think that there will be.
		I think that psychic abilities.
		Well, a number of years ago, I had a theory for psychic functioning together with physicist Elizabeth Rauscher that we published, and that's on my website, ESPresearch.com, where we talk about a physical model for how psychic ability works and how it can be made compatible,
		how it is compatible with the rest of relativity theory and quantum physics without breaking any laws.
		That is, psychic functioning, I sort of took a breath to figure out where the space stands.
		The mathematician Mankowski described a space-time that allows psychic functioning.
		And on my website, ESPresearch.com, I talk about this complex space-time in which there is non-local connection of awareness, where you have direct apprehension of the future and of the distance without violating any physics.
		So I think that there will be this may not be the right answer, but the answer will look something like the one that we described because we don't violate any physical laws, and the very simple mathematical construction allows you to expand your awareness into the distance and into the future in a way that would be expected if we live in a complex space-time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trevor Burrus, Jr.: I guess what I'm talking about is something so physical, a meter, for example, measuring energy in some realm that we have not yet measured that would begin to register when somebody like yourself or some other remote viewer were doing their thing.
		Let me think about this, and the break's coming up.
		Let's go ahead and take the break.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		With our viewers, use the term non-local mind.
		You know, I do predictions at the end and beginning of every new year as this program progresses.
		And non-local mind and the work going on at Princeton?
		If I'm marking that, I'll tell you what, it'd be a big ding, ding, ding.
		I'm told remote viewing can do practical things.
		You know, that's always one of the challenges that the American public brings up instantly.
		If my little messenger service here were working, I'd be getting a million of them right now.
		Okay, well, why not hit the lottery?
		Well, they have.
		Why not predict the stock market and make a gazillion dollars?
		Well, they have.
		The truth is, they have done all of that.
		And so I've always wondered, apparently then, there is no sort of cosmic ethical barrier against doing those kinds of personal profit things, Russell?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I had several inquiries about that also, about stocks and personal gain.
		We have done that.
		That can be done.
		In fact, my interest, as I mentioned to you before, is to change the paradigm.
		And publishing books isn't going to do that, in my opinion.
		But if we make a gazillion dollars, that will definitely get people's attention in 21st century America.
		So we have started an investment club using psychic abilities.
		And we're looking for, it's an invitational club.
		We've been going on for a number of months.
		And we're looking for people who are experienced remote viewers who've been trained by somebody, who've gone through a training program.
		And there are a number of, what's happened is that Ingo Swan trained Hal and me.
		Then Hal and I trained six other Army people, and those six other Army people trained the world.
		So there's dozens and dozens of remote viewing trainers out there right now.
		And what we're looking for, we've got about 50 people working with us forecasting standard and poor's up or down.
		And we're doing that pretty successfully.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was going to ask, has it been going on long enough to establish any sort of even small track record yet?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		What we find is that in applied remote viewing, we are right about two-thirds of the time, whether we are forecasting the market or looking for missing heiress.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I want to very briefly invite experienced, trained remote viewers to send me an email if they would like to work with us on changing the paradigm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By all means, I'm sure you'll get plenty of response.
		My question was about a cosmic ethical barrier.
		In other words, is there no limit to what can be done both on the positive and the negative side, what some people might consider the negative side?
		Personal gain, some people might consider that sort of a beyond some sort of ethical line for all of this.
		But apparently there is no such line.
		Is that right?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		It's the same line that limits your ethical behavior in any other way.
		There are ethics that limit whether you go out and beat somebody up and rob them.
		That I'm six and a half feet tall.
		I could go out down the street and beat somebody up and rob her.
		I don't do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there's no ethical purpose.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		People simply don't want to live in that kind of world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but in the process itself, there is no such limit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The only limit is your own ethics.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		People are able to look into the future.
		For example, one of the questions that I had on my email is, can I use this to see my girlfriend undressed?
		Pat Price was asked that question frequently because he was such a prodigious remote viewer.
		He said, if I can focus my attention anywhere on the universe, why would I want to look into your bedroom?
		I can have any experience visually that I want to have.
		Why would I want to see you undressed?
		And I think that that's an appropriate answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, for some.
		But on the other hand, there might be some that would go, I mean, Britney, Spears, whatever, you know, there would be those people.
		There would be the people over on the sort of the other side of the ethical center line.
		Right?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I think the thing becomes self-limiting.
		Self-limiting.
		In that as people discover that they are non-local awareness, as they discover that they're able to focus their attention into the distance and into the future and are not limited by ordinary space-time, then it breeds a kind of ethical use.
		It's not that they won't do remote viewing anymore.
		It's that they are aware that they live in a different kind of world than they had been before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That said, Russell.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And they will tend not to misuse the ability.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that said, though, Russell, do some people have sexual experiences while they are remote viewing?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know they do.
		There's a whole literature.
		I could just hear you laughing as you asked me that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, it seemed the right time for that question.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		It's the right time.
		It's getting past midnight.
		We're getting...
		There's no doubt that people can have a whole continuum of remote viewing, which we did at SRI, is a nice sanitary ability where you sit in the laboratory and describe on your mental screen what you're experiencing more or less visually.
		But you can extend that to a full-blown out-of-body experience, the kind that Bob Monroe or Alistair Crowley talked about, where you have a out-of-body experience where you bring with you all of your sensitivity, emotionality, and sexuality, and can experience all kinds of things with a distant cooperative person.
		That is, Bob Monroe, who wrote the book Journeys Out of the Body, met his wife on an astral vision.
		Alistair Crowley talks about sex on the astral plane.
		McKinley Cantor, who wrote Andersonville, what a Pulitzer Prize.
		In his book, Don't Touch Me, he talks about his experience in the war in Korea when he could go back and have sexual relations psychically with his wife.
		And he describes that in some detail in his book.
		And his wife objected because it was not a good time for her.
		He would be thinking about her at his nighttime, and she'd just be driving to work, and they loved each other.
		It just wasn't the right time, as it were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not when she's behind the wheel.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		So there's a whole literature of people talking about sex on the astral plane.
		And that's not what we did at SRI, because we were always concerned that we didn't want someone to have a bad experience.
		But there is no doubt that as you move your awareness into space-time, that you can have a strong interaction with a distant person.
		And there's a significant literature about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As you quiet your mind to do remote viewing.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Generally, that works better with consenting adults.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As you quiet your mind for remote viewing, is an OBE sort of right next to you and rather immediately available to you because of the state you're in, if that's the direction you desire to go?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		If you are comfortable with that experience, if you are comfortable with the remote viewing practice, you can then bring, in fact, that's what remote viewers do.
		That's what the various trainers have you do as you bring more and more of your sensory apparatus into the fore, your sense of smell, your sense of taste, your sense of touch, you get more and more involved at the distant location, and then eventually you can begin to interact with a person at the distant location.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		This is a question that I once asked Ed Dames, but I think it's absolutely relevant to ask you this, too.
		As I mean, you were at the top of the pyramid of the training of remote viewers in America.
		But as the pyramid now expands, and when it finally gets to the point where perhaps even millions and millions of people are remote viewing Russell, then finally Michio Kaku will catch on.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		The scientists will be the last ones, but when their kids come home from school and you say, you know, I've learned to be a remote viewer, then the scientists will begin to listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Huh.
		Well, my question, though, actually was what kind of impact would there be in the non-local mind with that many people doing it?
		Would there be an impact?
		Would that be something that a remote viewer would know, that millions of minds are out there roaming?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I think that people will become more peaceful and that they will begin to surrender what the Buddhists call their story.
		And they will become less involved with making money and climbing up over the bodies of other people to advance themselves.
		Because in order to do remote viewing, you simply have to stop the chatter.
		There's no disagreement.
		In order to experience these fleeting feelings and pictures, you simply have to stop the ongoing mental chatter.
		No matter who the teacher is, they would agree with that.
		Different people have different ways of doing it, but you simply have to get quiet.
		When you get quiet, you begin to discover things about yourself and your own noise that makes you a less violent, less aggressive, less materialistic person.
		And what the Buddhists say is just give it a try.
		It's like a lab report.
		You don't have to believe anything.
		If you'll just sit down, take a 10-day meditation retreat where the objective is to sit down and shut up for 10 days, it'll change your life because you have a chance to finally boil off your story and get in touch with your non-local awareness.
		It's a life-changing experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that many millions of people would have any effect on the non-local mind itself?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would there be sort of an awareness of so many more minds?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, the transcendental meditators have claimed for a long time that there is data to that effect.
		I simply don't know.
		It's widely claimed in the TM community that experiments have been done in Washington, D.C. in particular, that when they had 2,000 TM people during the summer, during July and August,
		which is the most violent time in Washington, D.C., the TM meditators were meditating for hours a day on increasing the peace, harmony, and coherence in Washington, and there was a highly significant decrease in the amount of violence in the city.
		And I'm sure you've heard this story.
		It's been widely described as published in the psychological literature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm aware of it, yeah.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		So it indicates that a large number of coherent experience meditators can affect the violent nature of the community.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about remote influencing now, to be fair, right?
		Yes.
		So without question, your answer, you know, I did some pretty weird experiments.
		I know you sort of know about them.
		I think you know about them, right?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I don't know the experiment that you've done actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't?
		Oh, no kidding.
		Years ago, just for the fun of it, because I was fairly young then and stupider than I am now, I asked millions of people on a number of occasions to try and make rain, for example, in areas where there was no rain and no forecast of rain and they were dry and they were desperate.
		And by God, we made rain within hours.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		We've just done it.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		It just started to rain like hell right here where I'm sitting in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, we did this about nine different times with a scary amount of success, so much so that I slowed up and stopped and I said, you know what?
		This seems like to me it's real.
		And I don't know what we're doing.
		I don't know what we're tampering with.
		I don't know what the possibilities are for a mistake.
		We're going to think long and hard before we do this again.
		I'm still thinking long and really hard about it.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I think that that's wise.
		I have not been involved with the distant mental influence except on the healing side.
		But I think trying to change the universe, which you're thought, is a risky thing to do.
		Except the very first experiment that Harold Putoff did at the SRI program, one that we describe in detail and mind reach, a very strong experiment that Ingo Swan did, was to change the behavior of a magnetometer buried in a vault at Stanford Research, at Stanford University.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be very impressive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did he?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Where he can go ahead to slow up the cycling of a ball that was floating in a magnetic field, superconducting ball that was supposed to be...
		This was a space project which is now in orbit, the Gravity Probe B project.
		And this little neodymium ball was floating in a magnetic field, superconducting, shielded from every possible force.
		And INGO stopped the oscillation that had been going on for weeks and weeks.
		It was not only a Navy project, but somebody's dissertation.
		The psychic from California comes in, totally changes the output of the apparatus, and that was another government inquiry.
		But it shows that our thoughts can have effects in the physical world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, these sorts of things are what puts it over the top for me and ought to be putting it over the top for the scientists involved.
		Look, they've got to believe what's in front of their eyes.
		And if that was really done and things of that magnitude were done.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		In many cases, the scientists are going to be the last ones to believe.
		Their wives and girlfriends and children are going to come home having learned something about remote viewing in their college classes or from their friends, and then the paradigm will change, and we'll begin to learn something more about the nature of the space-time that we live in.
		And the Internet is a good force here.
		The fact that there's these hundreds of thousands of remote viewing websites say that this is not going to be submerged, but the paradigm will change.
		And I should mention that my interest in the forecasting of the stock market is not particularly to make money, but money is what is understood in America.
		And if we create another significant stock market adventure, people will get the idea that something like this is going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Dumb question.
		If you were able to instruct enough people to predict what was going to happen in the stock market and it got out of control, Russell, it would bring down Wall Street.
		You couldn't have that many people.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a danger that it would pull the market.
		When we were doing this in the 80s, we made nine calls and made $120,000, and we got pretty excited.
		Of course, the following year, we failed.
		We lost the spiritual focus.
		Our investor wanted us to do it twice as often, and we were not successful.
		So I'm definitely not telling people that this is a sure thing.
		But since then, we've gotten a lot smarter and had a lot more success.
		And the only time, like Dangerfield, we don't get any respect except when we make money in the market.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, man.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Nova made a film about remote viewing.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		We're on the front page of the Wall Street Journal because making money in the market is what people understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you lose your spiritual focus?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Our investor, who was quite a nice guy, had just made half of $120,000 with no work and just watched us do that week after week, forecasting the silver market.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		He wanted us to do it twice as frequently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And doing it twice as frequently meant that our remote viewer did not get the feedback from Monday's trial until after Wednesday's trial.
		So he had an open remote viewing cycle, and it interfered with his ability to describe the next thing rather than the last thing.
		So it was, in one word, the problem was greed.
		We were trying to accelerate the experiment.
		We didn't have the internet to help.
		And it was just a poorly done, greedy experiment.
		it didn't work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold it right there, Russell.
		Well, maybe it was what you just described, and maybe it was that cosmic ethical barrier that I suggested might be there.
		But it would seem not, which would mean that remote viewing could be used for virtually anything.
		But I think if you listen carefully to what Russell said, he said pretty much to get there, to quiet your mind sufficiently to be able to do it, you would have to become, in essence, a better person.
		So the likelihood for evil doings is low.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and certainly we are very different than what you hear in the rest of the talk radio national media.
		I mean, when you think about it, there's really nothing like Coast to Coast AM, is there?
		Or even close.
		This is sort of the only one dealing with what it deals with at this sort of national scale.
		That's all there is to it.
		That's what you're listening to.
		Music I want to touch on the subject of UFOs for just a moment in two ways.
		One, to remind you, all of you, that there is going to be something very unusual that occurs on the ABC Television Network this Thursday.
		It's going to be a two-hour special by Peter Jennings on the subject of UFOs.
		It promises to be, it's advertised to be, a serious look at the subject by a major network.
		And if it turns out to be that, then it's the first time that that's happened in all of my memory.
		And it's a very, very serious event.
		So it's between, what, 8 and 10 o'clock, that's prime time by a major network, ABC, this coming Thursday.
		You don't want to miss that.
		Definitely don't want to miss that.
		Russell, welcome back.
		You know, in the ufology field, boy, that's a big step.
		Do you think anything like that might occur for remote viewers or, in fact, the whole psychic world?
		Some investigation at that level.
		You know, two hours of prime time network stuff would be big.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was an hour-long NOVA program that was released in 1984 and then shown was one of Nova's most popular films.
		It was called The Case of ESP that really featured the remote viewing and forecasting in the stock market and even some distant healing.
		It was a very positive show on Nova of all places.
		And then that was pulled in the middle 1990s.
		So it used to be that you could purchase it from Nova.
		They stopped showing it and it's no longer available.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that interesting?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		But it was a very positive Tony Edwards made the film for the BBC Horizon.
		It was a 90-minute film in England.
		It was an hour-long film in America.
		And it gave us a lot of good prints.
		It was a very sensible film called The Case of ESP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		So maybe we'll see another one like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		This audience is very interested in UFOs.
		And I wonder if you have ever looked at the subject.
		I think it was Ed Dames, and maybe you can verify this too.
		Ed Dames, who told me that remote viewing is kind of like Google.
		I mean, you enter something or another.
		In fact, you can go enter UFOs in Google, and you'd get all these results.
		And is remote viewing something like that?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, Ingo Swan wrote a book called Penetration, where he talks about his personal UFO experiences.
		With regard to remote viewing in Google, my experience is that if you enter the psychic realm, If you enter the information realm of non-local mind, you can get the answer to any question that has an answer.
		That doesn't make you omniscient because you have only a finite little brain, so you can't know everything there is to know.
		But my experience is that any well-posed question that has an answer can be known.
		So it's a lot like Google.
		For example, you can go to Google and get the answer to all the questions you want to have answers to, but you can't have access to the whole database because that would require infinite time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as we know, though, when you go to Google and you put in a search, you might get some hits back that are totally relevant to what you wanted to know, and you might get some that aren't so relevant but came up because they were similar.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I think that that's true.
		I should mention that Rich Dolan wrote a wonderful book about UFOs called UFOs in the National Security State by Richard Dolan, who is a historian.
		And this is a big fat book full of data by an American historian who wasn't actually interested in UFOs.
		But in his research about the Vietnam War, he came across more and more data as a historian.
		So finally, he was convinced of two things, that, first of all, something like UFOs exist.
		And second of all, the U.S. government is lying about them.
		So that was the basis of his UFO and the National Security State, which is a 500-page, absolutely fascinating book that's in print now.
		I could certainly recommend that as one of the more sensible things written about UFOs from somebody who's not a UFO buff.
		He's a serious historian interested in trying to tell the truth.
		So this is a book by Richard Dolan on UFOs, which is an area that I'm not involved in, but I thought that his book was very compelling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I appreciate the reference.
		Now, do you think, as a final question, before we go to the phones, a lot of people want to ask you questions, and I want to let them.
		Is there any relationship to what my audience might think of as religious?
		Is there any aspect to remote viewing that touches or understands religion or the concept of God?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I think that psychic abilities are not sacred, which is the way I understand your questions.
		I don't think that you get psychic abilities from a divine source.
		I think psychic abilities are just abilities.
		Now, if you believe that you're a divine being, then vision is sacred and hearing is sacred then it would be.
		But I think that as just in the sense that people don't believe in ESP or don't believe in remote viewing, it's an experience.
		I think that the quiet mind also has an experience of the divine or an experience of God or an experience of something beyond themselves.
		The Buddhists are, of course, highly spiritual people.
		They just don't happen to believe in a creator.
		What they believe in is a non-local mind and the carrying out of a compassionate life and the fact that your awareness transcends space and time and that when you give up, when you give up your conditioning and begin to experience spaciousness, then you will have an insight as to who you are.
		It's not a belief.
		It says, sit down, be quiet, and you'll be surprised at what you experience.
		Now, that spaciousness is related to remote viewing.
		It's sort of a long answer to your question.
		But as you sit down quietly and you have the opportunity to expand your awareness, transcending space and time, you get an idea that who you are is this non-local awareness.
		That is, it becomes silly to think that you're a body.
		Because what you experience is, is that you're a non-local awareness residing for a time as a body.
		Does that make sense?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		That's really the religious concomitant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Many religious people would say, what you're doing, Russell, is wrong.
		And what you're doing is exposing yourself like transcendental meditation.
		And it's not all that different.
		It's the quieting of the mind.
		And you're exposing yourself to evil, to the possibility or even probability of evil.
unidentified		That's what they say, Russell.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I think what you're exposing yourself to is reality.
		You're getting an indication of the nature of the space-time in which we live.
		I think that people can do evil things.
		I don't think my opinion is that there isn't evil per se any more than there's cold per se.
		You have energy and the absence of energy.
		You have light and the absence of light.
		So I don't believe that there is darkness.
		There's simply the absence of light.
		So I think that evil is the absence of good in that sense.
		People can do things that are not good or things that are hurtful, things that we call evil.
		But I don't think that there are sinister forces afoot that have anything to do with psychic abilities.
		I think psychic abilities are basically good.
		They give people the ability to experience who they really are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, basically you're answering like most of the scientists that I've interviewed have answered.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Russell Tarr.
		Good morning.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
		I had a question about his remote viewing.
		And does he, besides the Buddhist way that he seems to profess his main way of achieving remote viewing, does he have any knowledge of other people, I guess, being involved in ancient rites or modern day, I guess, chemical alterations, psychedelics to achieve the state of remote viewing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right, absolutely.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I understand the question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very valid.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		First of all, I'm not a Buddhist scholar.
		What I know is that the ancient Hindus, Patanjali, for example, 2,400 years ago, talked about quieting your mind, looking into the distance, looking into the future, healing the sick, diagnosing illnesses.
		And he was a Hindu, was not a Buddhist.
		But every mystical, a mystical persuasion, like the Hindus or the Buddhists, the Kabbalistic Jews or the Gnostic Christians, are all mystics.
		That is, they talk about experience rather than the belief system.
		All the people who have a practice that begins with sit down and quiet your mind will lead you into the non-local realms.
		Now, with regard to psychedelics, everyone would like to believe that you get the right drug and will make you psychic.
		Unfortunate, bad news.
		The psychedelics may cause you to feel psychic, but the evidence is very weak to non-existent that the psychedelics actually make you psychic.
		What the psychedelics often do is create so much noise in your mental space that you can't separate the signal from the noise.
		It's a big disappointment because you feel very psychic.
		You feel that you've expanded your awareness into a new realm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		But it's not a realm that gives you any information about our reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, lots of people, while taking psychedelics, think they've uncovered the center secret of the universe, the equation as long as your thumb.
		But doggone it, when they come down, it just didn't work out.
		But it seemed that way.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Russell Targ.
		Good morning.
		Hello, Art.
unidentified		Hello, Russell.
		Hi.
		The question I have is actually two.
		Do you know of anyone in the Salt Lake City area that teaches remote viewing?
		And have you ever tried to remote view like alien species or Bigfoot?
		And I'll take my answer on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, have you ever remote viewed?
		I guess let's just throw it all over.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, to find a remote viewing teacher, I would go to the website for the International Remote Viewing Association, which would be IRVA.org, and you'll find some people there who teach remote viewing, which is not me in general.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I've done occasional workshops, but I'm not an active remote viewing teacher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you've looked over what they do, and you would recommend it?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Paul Smith is one of them, is a very experienced remote viewing teacher.
		Lynn Buchanan is another one.
		They're both out of the Army and very experienced and know what they're doing.
		With regard to aliens, Ingo Swan, again, in his penetration, talks about UFOs.
		I would say that the alien scene is really not related to our psychic abilities.
		I think that's a different realm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, not related to, but not, certainly your psychic abilities are not prohibited at looking at that subject.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, certainly not.
		That is part of the evidence that we are not a purely material entity is the fact that there is data for the survival of bodily death.
		F.W. Meyer's great book on human personality talks about his experiences with mediums getting very, very good information about people who have died.
		And Ian Stevenson has similar experience about children who remember past lives.
		So the evidence that some aspect of our awareness survives is quite good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that a subject, Russell, that you've targeted yourself or had others target?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've had experience, direct experience with deceased people.
		I even had a so-called phone call from the dead that is often written about where someone passed away and I got a phone call from that person a few weeks later.
		This was very shocking, mysterious.
		So I think that we do have high-quality experiences from deceased people that are certainly quite unexplainable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've been interviewing a series of people who have been doing, and I believe they're absolutely honest about it too, Russell, by the way, for what it's worth, these EVPs, these electronic voice phenomena, so-called things.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Russell, I've looked at the six ways from Sunday, and I don't see any real holes in it.
		It seems real to me.
		And that would also suggest some form of an afterlife, not always such a comfortable one if you listen to what's said, but definitely some sort of continuation of something.
		It seems real.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I'm familiar with the electronic voice data.
		It's been going on now for about 20 years, and I'm sorry to say that I'm like Alice in Wonderland, though I can only believe in one or two impossible things at a time.
		So I've really not gone into the EVP, although I'm aware that there's an upsurge in that.
		There's also been problems in the area that has so people have gotten into trouble.
		There's been before you swallow the whole pill, I would investigate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		I'm with you there, but it does seem awfully convincing when you listen to a cut after cut after cut and you believe these people are honest.
		To hear some of the things that are said, I think you would find very shocking.
		And frankly, you know, that's you're also suggesting to me that through remote viewing or through psychic ability, whichever way you want to look at it, there is proof of a continuation, right?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I think that Ian Stevenson's work is the very best with young children who give very detailed descriptions of previous lives and how they died, and sometimes even the murderer can be found.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		In the contemporary times, they describe where the money is hidden of their previous lives.
		They can play an instrument that they played in a previous life.
		The great body of Stevenson's work is quite convincing that some aspect does persevere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it certainly would be a good subject, but you're not, again, you're not so much remote viewing anymore.
		I mean, you're sort of a father along with Ingo.
		I mean, you're right there at the time.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm very interested in using remote viewing in the stock market as a vehicle for convincing the world that this is real.
		I think that people understand money.
		See, I've published papers in Nature and the Proceedings of the Engineering Society, and it really doesn't make any difference.
		What people get excited about, the reason that Nova did a story about us, is that we made money in the silver market.
		So we are reinvestigating using psychic abilities in the market as a vehicle for demonstrating the reality of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you succeed beyond your wildest dreams and you were to suddenly prove to the world that it's absolutely real, what do you think would happen?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm basically like the elephant's child.
		I'm insatiably curious.
		I think what will happen is that we will discover that modern physics is significantly incomplete.
		It's not wrong.
		It does a very good job of what it does.
		But there's a whole new world of non-local reality that's not being explored by physics.
		That is to say, we misunderstand the nature of the world that we live in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would we have, if you succeeded, a better world?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Can't help it be a better world because we will understand more about it.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps we'll have more energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Understanding is power.
		All right, Russell, hold on.
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		This is Coast to Coast AM.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		Russell Targ is a very good way to describe him is as, you know, right up there at the very top, Ingo, perhaps up at the top, and then there's Russell of remote viewers in the nation, actually, in the world.
		And we've got him here on the live.
		So if you have a question, come on ahead.
unidentified		So It's very interesting, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Russell Targ describes remote viewing exactly as I would imagine it to be.
		Not connected with God.
		Not connected with God.
		Something that we've always had.
		Something that doesn't have a real line or an ethical barrier, as so many people suggest, except that the process of quieting your mind perhaps makes you a more introspective person.
		But other than that, it's just an ability.
		It could be used for good, could be used for bad.
		Isn't uh under the control of God or the devil or anybody else, but just is.
		And that'll probably be the best way, you know, to sell it to the other scientists.
		Russell, welcome back.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I'm happy to be here.
		Margaret Mead describes psychic ability as something that every society knows exists except in the Western world.
		She wrote the introduction to Mind Reach, which was a very nice introduction for the field.
		And in the introduction, she said that in her investigations all over the world, psychic abilities play a part in every culture except the industrialized West.
		And it's obvious that it should be investigated.
		And she was very helpful in getting the Parapsychology Association into the American Association for the Advancement of Science.
		So Margaret Mead was a great ally.
		And we discuss the importance of psychic abilities and how to do it in our book, Mind Reach, which we've brought back.
		Mind Reach was the very first book ever published on remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we published it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		it's back on Amazon.com where it was $150 you said people were paying for it and now all of a sudden it's out again.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		It had been a collector's item.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Available now at a much...
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		The price is $12 on Amazon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, that's pretty reasonable.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Is that a bargain?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes, definitely a bargain.
		So tell people the title one more time.
		They're going to want to go get it.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Because Mind Reach, Scientists Look at Psychic Abilities, and it's available on Amazon for the first time now in many years.
		Helpodoff and I wrote the book Mind Reach in the middle of the classified program.
		So we had all kinds of trouble getting it through CIA, Defense Intelligence Agency.
		But this was our view of what was going on, how you can use psychic abilities to look into the distance, look into the future, heal the sick, and diagnose illnesses.
		And it's worth saying before we go on that probably the easiest of all psychic abilities is diagnosing illnesses of distant people.
		The intuitive diagnosis is a place that many people get started in psychic research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you often run into people like me, and when I say that, I'm saying...
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I never run into people like you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I'm saying is, I don't know if I want to know the future.
		I don't know.
		I really don't know.
		I'm not so sure I want to know the future.
		Now, there have got to be other people like me.
		Well, when we first...
		I'm sorry.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		When we were first doing research, Hannah and I are both physicists, and we were not brought up to be psychic spies.
		But what we felt is that we're basically in favor of intelligence rather than ignorance, which is how we've got working for the CIA.
		We thought that the information we could bring forward would be helpful.
		And although the CIA was not our favorite customer, we felt it was worthwhile and helpful to the country to provide information that could prevent the Cold War becoming a hot war.
		So with regard to knowing the future or remaining ignorant, in general, I'm an unreconstructed scientist.
		If there's something to know, I would rather know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm fairly blissful anyway.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Russell Tard.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Hi.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, both of you guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		You mentioned earlier about transcendental meditation.
		I was wondering if you could explain a little bit what that is.
		And also give a brief description of how you do remote healing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sure.
		Transcendental meditation.
		A quick definition?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, transcendental meditation is a...
		Transcendental meditation was brought to the West by Maharishi Mahash Yogi, whose name I don't have exactly correct, the Maharishi, let's say.
		And his organization, the TM organization, and a teacher will give you a mantra, a word group, a Sanskrit group of words to say as a way of repetitiously doing something to fill the space as you quiet your mind.
		So this meditation with a mantra is one of many, many types of meditation.
		It's the one that the TM organization has been using.
		And the goal is to stop the chatter and have an opportunity to discover other aspects of yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any way on the radio you can instruct people quickly on how to remote view?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not that easy, is it?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a hard thing to do.
		It requires, again, quieting your mind and becoming in touch with the first images that appear.
		Now, I'd again encourage people to buy MindReach, where we talk about how to do remote viewing.
		We show what Pat Price and Hella Hammett did.
		Mindreach is a good place to start doing remote viewing.
		And that's my first book, of course.
		The last one, Limitless Mind, gives step-by-step instructions on how to do remote viewing.
		So I'm shamelessly giving a plug for both books, but the answer to your caller's question is you have to find a friend, have the friend put an object in a bag for you, and then look for surprising elements that come into your awareness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a pretty simple Experiment, isn't it?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And in Limitless Mind, we tell exactly what we did at the SRI in our decade-long program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have a friend, have a bag, put an object in, quiet your mind.
		First thing that comes to it, see if you're right.
		Pretty easy.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		You do need a friend to get started.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A friend, yes.
		Russell Targ is my guest, and you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good evening, Art.
		I can't hear the show while we're on hold tonight, unfortunately.
		Sorry, I had to turn my radio down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not hearing it on hold?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What the hell is the matter with this machine?
unidentified		Well, I'm sure you'll figure out how to get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I promise you, we'll look into it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Hey, Russell, thanks for taking my call.
		Great to be on the show.
		Thank you.
		Great to hear you guys.
		I have two questions that are very much interrelated, and I'll ask them, and I'll get off and listen on the air.
		They are, and they might be the same question, in fact.
		Can't you look forward and find out if there's a point when remote viewing is a practice of most of the people?
		And what happens when remote viewing views itself?
		I'll take your thanks.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, that's a very interesting question.
		As I understand it, the question is, when will people finally understand that who they are is non-local awareness, that their ability fills space-time and they can do remote viewing?
		When will that occur?
		Now, remote viewing is good for a lot of things.
		This would be an example of a hard question to answer because the answer is a number.
		That is, what you would like to do in a certain sense is find a way to tell when in the future people do accept remote viewing.
		And the answer to that is December 4th, 2008.
		But psychic ability generally doesn't come up with that kind of analytical information.
		So I'd have to think about how to find a tricky way of doing that.
		In using remote viewing to forecast the stock market, what you do is what's called associative remote viewing, where you associate one object with the market going up and another object with the market going down.
		And then you ask a viewer to describe what will we show you next Friday.
		And if he describes the light bulb, which is the up object, perhaps, then you'll buy silver.
		If he describes the tuna fish sandwich, which is a down object, then you'll sell silver.
		So you have an association between randomly chosen objects and market moves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to know who chose the tuna fish sandwich is the downside.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, after five days, that'll be pretty much of a downer.
unidentified		Ha ha!
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		When you get your feedback.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		All right.
		West of the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Russell Targ.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yeah, I was listening to your show.
		I haven't been listening for more than just a few months.
		I think it's very fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		But you were talking before, and my question for your guest was, even you yourself had said something to the effect because of the avian flu, you had a bad feeling about it.
		Yes, sir.
		I hear other people sometimes talk about how they have a bad feeling about the future.
		Some people even say we're headed toward a global disaster or world's end or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Many say that, yes.
unidentified		And my question to your guest is, can you use remote viewing in a very general sense to look at how the world is going to go?
		Are we headed for that kind of a disaster?
		And what does it mean when these people are all saying, or many of them are saying pretty much the same thing, that there are things coming, the avian flu, the global warming, the pipeline melting and so forth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's already here.
		Let's concentrate for a change on one specific thing.
		I said this in the first hour, Russell, and I really believe this.
		I've been watching these stories come to me every week about the avian flu, and scientists are virtually predicting that it's going to jump species, become transmissible between humans.
		It's been creeping me out.
		I've got a really bad feeling about this avian flu thing.
		And that's all.
		I'm not psychic, or if I am, it's new to me.
		But usually when I get really bad feelings about something, there's a good cause for it.
		Is that kind of remote viewing, or is that just interesting?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, what you're describing is analysis.
		What a person could do is look a year in the future and see, do you see a lot of people dying?
		Do you see a lot of people in the hospital?
		Right.
		From what I read, that there'll probably be a vaccine for avian flu before it becomes an epidemic.
		So that's my understanding.
		It's certainly the problem, but I think that competent people are working on it.
		The thing that you can do most readily rather than looking at the distant future is try and use this in your own lives to figure out what's going to happen tomorrow or next week.
		Because then you get feedback, and you, rather than forecasting distant calamities, discovering who you are and your own nature is something that's a much better application for psychic abilities, in my opinion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, speaking of people who forecast future calamities, we've got Ed Dames.
		Now, he seems centered on forecasting future calamities.
		Any comments?
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Well, Ed is a very experienced teacher.
		I take some exception.
		He has been saying for many years that his forecasting is 100% correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, qualifier, he said that when he's got a team together, a certain team, then it can approach 100% correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said that, but only with respect to a team.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		But I don't know of on his show, no, I beg your show, he's made numerous forecasts which have not come correct.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Again and again, he's forecast all kinds of calamities that haven't happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yet.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Yet.
		So that is, I'm a scientist.
		I publish papers.
		If people don't like what I say, they can say that I'm mistaken.
		I'll lose my funding.
		That hasn't happened.
		I've published many papers, lots of books telling people how to do remote viewing, and there's now 300,000 people doing remote viewing.
		To the best of my knowledge, Ed Daines has never published a thing, and all the forecasts I've heard from him have been wrong.
		I do know some of his students who are good remote viewers, so I have to say that he is an accomplished remote viewing teacher.
		But with regard to his organization making forecasts, I simply don't know of any correct forecasts he's made, and I've heard quite a number of erroneous forecasts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, based on some of what you said tonight, I bet you were particularly raising an eyebrow when he remote-viewed Lucifer.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And he had a lot of incorrect things to say about Chandralevi and about the North Koreans that come to mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I don't know about this North Korean thing.
		That's a little worrisome.
		I mean, his forecast was that there would be a detonation of a nuclear weapon on the Korean peninsula.
		And I'm not sure if that's the right time.
		Well, it's looking pretty probable, actually, I would say.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		You don't have to be psychic.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		If you asked Joe on the corner, do you think that the Koreans are going to test an atomic bomb pretty soon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, today, yes, but that forecast is quite old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, let's...
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air with Russell Tart.
unidentified		I also can't hear the show on the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll take care of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll bash this thing until it works.
unidentified		Okay, yeah.
		Another viewer guest of yours a while back stated that the reason why they canceled the program was that some people in government were worried about being psychically spied on and having some of their secrets revealed.
		So they kind of put a squash on it.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		I think the program was canceled in 95 simply because the CIA got tired of taking heat and having people tease them about supporting psychics.
		We were providing good information.
		The best evidence for psychic functioning in a certain sense is that we had more than $20 million worth of financial support.
		The program went on for more than 20 years, simply doing remote viewing for the intelligence community.
		If we were not doing good work, we wouldn't get 20 years of funding.
		In my experience as a laser physicist, it's extremely unusual to get funding for three years, let alone 23 years.
		The fact that we had continuous funding from the same group of agencies for 23 years is extremely strong evidence that we were providing worthwhile information since all the agencies were taking heat from Congress and from other agencies for supporting us, and they supported us anyway.
		We obviously must have been providing them with some reason to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the thing that does not make sense now, Russell, is that if it really worked, we're in such dangerous times now that ridicule, laughing, embarrassment, all of that isn't enough to keep somebody who knows it really works from getting you back into government and some agency real quick.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Maybe there's a secret program in the basement of the Pentagon that we don't know about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that I've speculated about, too.
		It has been a pleasure having you on the air.
		And give out your website one more time or your blog.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		And the book we're talking about is Mind Reach.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Scientists Look at Psychic Abilities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for being here.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		It's always a pleasure to talk with you.
russell targ ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Russell.
		And everybody else, don't forget, this coming Thursday, ABC 8 to 10, 7 Central, Peter Jennings reports on UFOs.
		Don't miss it.
		From the high deserts, the soggy high deserts.
		Good night.
		Here's Crystal.
		Always just the right words to leave by.
		Good night.
unidentified		Good night in the desert.
		Shooting stars across the sky.
		It's a magical day.
		We'll take us on a ride Filled with the longing Searching for the truth We make it to tomorrow.
		The sun shine on you.
		Tonight in the desert.

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