Art Bell’s Amazing Open Lines features callers like Greg Williams, who survived Abu Sayyaf’s 2004 torture after a Florida mission, and Kate, who claims Roger—a suspected Roswell-linked genetic researcher—vanished in 1992 before his 2003 death. Dr. Mark Olson’s 2004 triangular UFO video over Lion’s Bald Mountain aligns with Bell’s ABC documentary claims, while Unknown 7100 reports sabotage at Green Bank’s 1988 radio telescope collapse, linking it to extraterrestrial interference. Callers describe near-death visions (e.g., Jeannie’s son Andrew, revived in 1996 without brain damage), ghostly will signings (including a 1991 case where a client allegedly died post-execution), and desert cleanups of "escaped" genetic mutations. A Buddhist healer insists past-life demonic pacts influence karma, while Unknown 7113 ties Hollywood’s alleged depopulation agenda to devilish judges. The episode blurs conspiracy, paranormal claims, and fringe theories into a chaotic exploration of unseen forces shaping human fate. [Automatically generated summary]
If somebody was really named Mousetrap, shame on their parents.
Anyway, thank you both, Steve and Mousetrap.
Please open a line tonight for anyone that has made a pact with the devil and find out how that pact is coming out.
And also ask how they came to ask for the pact in the first place.
And I thought that a gym dandy idea.
Malachi Martin was on here.
Father Malachi Martin, for years, he had suggested that many, many, many out there had made pacts with the devil.
And indeed, if any of you are willing to talk about the deal you made, how you came to make it, and how it's coming so far, you know, we'd like to know how it's going.
Then we're going to hold one line open for you.
That would be area code 775-727-1222.
That normally would be the first time caller line, but in this case, it's only for people who have made a pact with the devil.
You've got to imagine those are going to be some interesting stories.
All right, with that in mind, a few things before we get started.
Number one, I direct your attention to the coast2coastam.com website.
We've got a butte for you here, folks.
I mean, we really got a butte.
Dr. Mark Olson of Sonora Sightings writes, I've attached footage of the triangular UFO that I videotaped while you were on the air.
While I was on the air.
And you'll hear sound in the background.
It was August 8th, 2004.
The UFO appeared over Lion's Bald Mountain and flew over my head very slowly, heading south.
No sound.
It was awesome.
No question.
It was a triangle.
No question, on that very night, synchronistically, I was on the air talking about triangles, black triangles with colors, while ABC was here filming a documentary.
Now, this thing is incredible.
This looks like what my wife and I saw it at a closer range, but what this man filmed while I was on the air that night is awesomely like what we saw, kind of in miniature to my eyes, but there's no question about it.
There's no FAA type lights.
There are three lights.
It is a triangle, and you can hear the audio as it, well, you're not going to be able to hear it here.
Yeah.
You can actually hear the guy talking about it.
A triangle.
Oh, my God, he says, as this thing is zipping along.
You can actually see it in movement in the sky.
No question about it.
A flying triangle, a very clearly defined triangle at the synchronistic moment that I was talking about it on ABC.
And by the way, with regard to that ABC special, while you go up to the website and take a look at this incredible video, video is good.
You know, it's one of those things you can put your hands on and say, yeah, baby, look at that.
That's a real McCoy.
And that guy got it on tape.
Congratulations to you, my friend.
And so if he calls tonight, certainly I'd like to speak with him.
Anybody who has a presence of mind to get out of video camera and nail the proof is my kind of guy.
All right, so we've got one line reserved away for people who have made pacts with the devil.
You know that's going to be interesting.
And then we have a number of people that have told me stories ahead of time that I already have waiting to tell them.
And then we have all of you.
It's going to be an extremely interesting night.
Stay right there.
I've got a little more before the phones.
Trust me, that footage up on the website right now is worth watching.
I mean, it really is.
I would call that prima facie evidence.
I mean, good evidence.
The kind that people with video cameras can get.
Here he was.
Listening to the program we were doing with ABC, and it happened.
And speaking of that documentary, as you know, ABC was here for a couple of days.
Now, that's probably going to boil down to about 30 seconds of video, but this, I think we've got to give them credit.
It's the UFO phenomena.
Seeing is bleeding is what they're titling it.
The UFO phenomena, seeing is bleeding.
Two hours prime time on ABC television, Thursday, February 24th at 8 o'clock.
And let's read a little bit of this.
February 4th, 2005, almost 50% of Americans, that'd be half of us, according to recent polls, and millions of people elsewhere in the world believe that UFOs are real.
For many, it is a deeply held belief.
For decades, there have been sightings of UFOs by millions and millions of people.
It is a mystery that only science can solve, and yet the phenomena remains largely unexamined.
Most of the reporting on the subject by the mainstream media holds those who claim to have seen UFOs up to ridicule.
On February 24th, Peter Jennings reporting, UFOs, Seeing is Believing, takes a fresh look at the UFO phenomena.
As a journalist, says Jennings, I began this project with a healthy dose of skepticism and an open mind as possible.
After almost 150 interviews with scientists, investigators, and many of those who claim to have witnessed unidentified flying objects, there are important questions that have not been completely answered and a great deal not fully explained.
Peter Jennings' reporting UFO's Seeing is Believing airs Thursday, February 24th, 8 to 10 p.m. Eastern on ABC.
The program will be broadcast in high definition, by the way.
So probably I'll have, you know, all of 30 seconds on it or something.
But they did record out here for a couple of days.
So it's going to be very interesting to see what shows up.
They interviewed many, many, many of the very best.
And so giving them credit, here is a major U.S. network actually going out there and doing a serious show on UFOs.
Mark it down on your calendar, February 24th, 8 o'clock.
I don't know the rest of them.
Central Pacific, you know, you add it up for your area.
Check your guide and all that.
The New England Patriots must have seen it, right?
Don't have to proclaim greatness.
The NFL record book does that for them.
The Patriots won their third Super Bowl in four years, Sunday, 24-21 over the Eagles.
And now, indeed, they are challenging history.
It was their ninth straight postseason victory, equaling Vince Lombardi's Green Bay Packers.
It was Coach Belichick's 10th playoff victory in 11 games.
10th playoff victory in 11 games.
One better than the Great Lombardi.
And it matched Dallas' run of three championships in four years in the early 1990s.
So, twas good.
Gunmen waylaid a minibus Sunday carrying foreign technicians to their jobs at a mobile telephone company in western Baghdad, seizing four Egyptians in the second kidnapping of foreigners in the Iraqi capital within a week.
We're going to be talking to somebody in a moment who was kidnapped, as a matter of fact, by al-Qaeda.
Pope John Paul II blessed the faithful from his hospital window Sunday, looking frail, speaking with difficulty, but determined to show he can still lead the Roman Catholic Church.
He's hanging in there.
Nobody, but nobody was worried when Paul McCartney stripped off his jacket midway through his halftime performance at the Super Bowl.
In fact, all was revealed was a long-sleeved shirt, and nothing malfunctioned, and all went well.
And the legend that is McCartney did a wonderful halftime performance.
Kenny Young is dead, folks.
He's going to be very much missed in the UFO community.
This is from Whitley Striber's UnknownCountry.com.
One of America's most skilled and important UFO investigators, Kenny Young, has died of cancer at just age 38.
Kenny has had the disease for some time, but requested that Whitley, who followed his career closely, not disclose his illness publicly.
And, of course, Whitley did not.
Kenny was a sober, careful, skeptical UFO researcher, and Whitley believed him to be among the very best of the younger generation whose work is characterized by just the facts approach that doesn't attempt to fit findings to theories, but simply seeks to prove what is real.
Goodbye, Kenny.
You will be missed.
Keeping track of this, the virus, the virus, the headline is, Cambodia confirms bird flu in poultry near capital, Nampenh.
Bird flu has been found in chickens near the Cambodian capital, officials said today, raising fears about the spread of the deadly virus in a country that has little to no health system at all.
The H5N1 virus strain was detected in dead chickens at a small poultry farm in the province of Camdel, just south of Nampen.
The Agricultural Ministry said people are now aware of the virus, and when they suspected a case, they reported it to us.
The bird flu has now hit our country again.
We must all watch this, like a hawk, this bird flu thing.
The scientists have been regularly predicting it's going to turn into some sort of pandemic, and like a rumbling from a mountain getting ready to go, the stories just keep coming.
Now, here's another one of those the stories just keep coming things.
The headline is, Melting Away, a slow-motion catastrophe.
A scientist looking southward from the tip of South America over steel-gray waters toward icy Antarctica see only questions on the horizon about the fate of the planet.
Now that one mammoth Antarctic ice shelf has collapsed into the ocean, when might another, bigger one, crumble and slip into the warming sea in a thousand years, a hundred, sooner, never?
People don't have the answers to the questions yet, but there is a probability, some possibility Of a collapse.
Scientists had just flown back from the icy continent to this expedition staging point, and they brought with them some potentially very unsettling news.
On a two-month round-trip trek by snow tractor to the South Pole, they pointed their sophisticated radar at the ground, and they found the West Antarctic ice sheet may be much thicker than thought.
Many hundreds of feet thicker, in fact, in parts.
Now, if that's true, and of course, if the melting part is true, that means a great deal more water is going to go into those rising ocean levels.
And we're hearing very, very disturbing things about the Antarctic right now and the rate of the melting going on and the rate of the warming that's going on.
It's all very, very worrisome, both at the north and south parts of the world.
All right, with that in mind, I do have more, but I'll hold it and kind of sprinkle it as we continue through the program.
Where still a very great deal of Al-Qaeda today, I believe, virtually controls parts of the Philippines.
Is that not correct?
unidentified
Not really.
After they got the Burnhams out, they pretty much had killed and captured most of the Abu Sayyaf leaders, all except one who is now hiding out with another group called the MNLF.
They're a group that has been, another Islamic group that's been fighting for land, and the government actually gave them some land in Mindanao.
So the remnants of the Abu Sayyafs have been hiding there, and there's been these guys from Indonesia, Islamia, whatever, I can't remember their whole name, but the guys who did the Bali bombing and stuff like that, they've been over there teaching the Abu Sayyaf how to bomb.
They set off a couple of bombs down there in the southern Philippines, killing people.
Anyway, how did it come that you went to the Philippines anyway, William?
unidentified
Well, that's really the whole story.
It's about sort of really about my spiritual journey through life and how I grew up here in Rockford, Illinois, and ended up doing things I wanted to do, like playing rock and roll, and then moving to Florida and becoming a pretty successful businessman.
And how in 1993 I had an accident where my back was injured and things went downhill from there.
And I got abandoned by my wife.
And my job squeezed me out.
And even my parents up here in Rockford wouldn't take me back because they just simply didn't believe it was that bad.
And even I didn't realize at the time I was becoming disabled.
All right, so how do you get from Florida and a disintegrating life to the Philippines?
unidentified
Well, the only people there for me in Florida was the church.
And I was going to church.
I had some friends there.
I went to a singles night, and the pastor was giving a sermon on the missions that the church is involved in.
And I do speak some Spanish, and when I expressed some interest, they wanted to send me to Cuba.
And I said, no, I've worked in Miami too long.
I have too many friends down there.
I wouldn't betray them.
And found out that the Philippines, their second language is English.
And I thought, this could be a good place to go.
And, you know, I just basically made the decision to, I didn't want to languish on the streets as a homeless person and, you know, soup lines and things.
Well, when I arrived, there was another twist because the pastor who I had been in contact with, who was supposed to meet me there in Manila, he had injured himself in a construction accident, and he was not there, so I didn't know what to do.
They gave me the address, and he asked me a bunch of information about where the Hollow the Inn was, and the church he's at is just like a couple blocks away.
I checked into the Hollow the Inn, and I walked over there, and he wasn't there.
So I had met somebody on the airplane coming down who was pretty eerie, actually.
She was a blind woman, and she had Filipino guys with her, and she was called the Blind Prophet.
And she did a Christian crusade every year.
And when we were talking, she made a very cryptic comment to me.
She said, when I told her I was already, you know, I had a mission that I was going to be going to, and because they invited me to go with them, she said, well, she said, I look forward to you coming with us.
Yeah, so here I was with nobody, and I called her, and I said, well, I guess I'd like to go with you guys.
And what they did is they headed down into the southern Philippines, where unbeknownst to me and most other people, that's where the Abu Saif was active.
Well, we were getting ready to go to another island, and one morning we got separated, the entourage and the blind prophet got into two cabs, and they didn't have enough for us.
So we had myself and my companion, my Filipino friend, and just the two of us caught a second cab a few minutes later.
This guy was trying to, we were trying to catch up to him, and he took a shortcut through the Cebu Harbor port and went through the area where they had stacks and stacks of these big train cars and kind of freight things and came around the corner and all of a sudden we uh was surrounded by about four or five guys with uh black ski masks and uh AK-47.
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All you had was a bag on your head, and they took you on some journey?
unidentified
Yeah.
I, you know, all I knew about the Philippines was about Marcos and Communist guerrillas, so I assumed these were either just bandits or communist gorillas.
They took us several hours over the ocean to many islands, and they took us to the island of Cilan, which is one of the islands' home islands of Abu Saya.
And what did they intend to do and what did they want?
unidentified
Well, they wanted money.
They wanted me to tell them where they could contact the company that would give money for me.
And I was still, even during these interrogations, were getting a little bit more heated and that kind of thing.
I remember there was a telling moment when during our, they were still saying, you are a missionary.
We know you're a missionary.
And I finally realized it hit me like an anvil over the head.
I'd better shut up.
I'd better quit saying I'm not a missionary because these guys, from what I have seen, if I wasn't useful to them in some way, they'd probably just kill me.
And that's when I started playing a little more coy with them and stopped saying that I was not a missionary.
But it got worse.
They did take me down and they shackled me by a chain in this little hut.
And at least in the hut, I had some shade.
And I did strange little things like playing marbles with seeds in the little holes.
And one of the highlights was when I was feeling quite in despair, I had this little mole, this little black mole.
You know, they had the big long snout.
He used to visit once in a while and eat some of my scraps, like any rice that I had on the ground.
And one day, during the afternoon, he came to visit me, and he didn't even look for food.
I was lying down, and he curled up in the back of my knee.
very very painful but it's their trademark torture now with since you Was it just for fun, or were they trying to get information, specific information about who to get the money from?
unidentified
Well, these people were just vicious animals.
While I was there, I witnessed them beheading a farmer.
I witnessed them raping some girls who were no more than 13.
They were doing drugs.
were drinking and everything they were saying about their grand Islamic plans just didn't make sense because these Exactly.
They certainly weren't godly people.
But during the height of that, when they were pulling my fingernails out, I had an out-of-body experience.
I thought I was dying.
And the Lord just lifted me up, and I was in a very...
So after all of this, by then, I'm sure you think you're just dead.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, I knew it.
And even though I bought a couple days just by throwing out a name of a place I had heard, they did come back and they told me that, quote unquote, tomorrow your head goes to Cebu as a warning to the whites.
Basically meaning the Christian whites that were in the Philippines.
Very, very much afraid of that group.
And I knew, you know, I was in great despair that night and crying and trying to, you know, imagine myself and my children and my family not even knowing what happened to me.
And your escape was made by befriending, I guess you said that some of the guards were high as a kite or passed out sort of on something or another and you started talking to the translator?
unidentified
Yeah, they were they were partying as usual and they were bringing girls into the tunnel and they they passed out and the translator didn't drink.
And so I knew he was a little different.
But anyway, we had a really good conversation, the first civilized conversation I'd had since I've been there and we talked a lot about our children and our families.
Greg, do you think the West, and I use that as an all-inclusive phrase, you know, the West is going to be at war with Islam?
Is that where this is eventually going?
Is it inevitable?
Is even a question?
unidentified
I don't think it is.
I think there are a lot of extremists out there who are blaming the religion.
And one of the great things about my book is it really, I hope it clarifies, and I know a lot of people have decided to have, that even though this guy was a Muslim, he felt a kinship with me because I was a man of faith also, even though I was a Christian.
And it really showed me, really opened my eyes, that there's still so many good people, much more than the bad people, and that what's happened is this small percentage of 4 or 5% of the Muslims have tried to hijack their religion.
And there are other Muslims like this guy who saved me who are going to start cleaning up their own backyard.
Well, I'm listening to you from KNZR, Bakersfield, California.
Oh, yes.
I worked in Michelson Lab on China Lake Naval Base in the late 70s.
Oh.
And with what everybody's talking about, the stem cell research and the geneticists dying and the microbiologists, I knew one of these days I would be telling this story, and I feel it is necessary to do so right now.
I mean, I've had, I don't know how many stories about dead microbiologists.
Now, maybe somehow the media just decided to start focusing on dead microbiologists, but it seems like there have been so many stories, Kate, that there's something to it.
Or am I wrong?
unidentified
No, you're definitely correct.
Definitely.
And it's none too soon coming.
It should have been out a long time ago.
But you know how the government is.
They don't want to talk about anything.
But, you know, we're going to find out.
You know, there are those of us who look into these things, and we're very determined and tenacious people.
I was a systems analyst and, you know, basically just analyzing all of the information for the missile.
And they had Tomahawk and Sidewinder out there also.
And almost two years that I was working on the project, three days after starting at the lab, I met a gentleman who had an office down the way from mine.
And I walked around in the first three days and said hello to everybody and introduced myself.
And this gentleman was coming out of his office.
And I knew by the name plate that his name was Roger.
So I yelled down and I said, Roger, how are you?
Good morning.
And he didn't stop.
And I thought, okay, maybe he didn't hear me.
You know, maybe he has a hearing disability or something.
So I kind of hurried behind him and tapped him on the shoulder.
And I said, Roger, how are you doing today?
My name is Kate.
I just started.
I just wanted to introduce myself.
And he turned and looked at me, and you could see in his face, his name was not Roger, to start off the story there.
So over the next few months, I made friends with Roger.
He, in the course of speaking with him on our lunch hours, he, from what I gathered, he was at Roswell.
So he said.
He was 17.
So that alerted me to the fact that he was born in 1930.
All right, Kate, hold tight, and we'll finish this up after the break.
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I'm Art Bell.
keep it where you've got it.
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The imaginary lovers will never tear you down with all the love All the others turn you away from them.
It's my proud pleasure with my family.
Someone to share my wildest dreams with me.
The House
How baby I've been talking.
We're too hot to sleep in We had to get out before The magic got away In the morning with the night Pain in the shadows I'll put you at night'Til the morning light
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But I said, did this creature like strawberry milkshakes like we all heard about?
And his face softened as though he was remembering a memory that actually made him happy.
And he blinked once.
And my zinger, you know, we all have our intuition.
Well, I call mine my zinger.
And my zinger went off.
And I knew this man was there.
I knew he was telling the truth.
And I knew this man was scared.
I never saw him again after that day.
To get the story going, during this next six months, various animals were found out in Inyokern, which is west of China Lake, by about, excuse me, about eight miles.
Being the animal lover I am, it really bothered me when I heard some of these stories.
The first one was a rabbit, and this is pertinent to what I believe Roger was doing on the base.
So some children, an eight-year-old, nine-year-old, and 11-year-old, they're all brothers, were out riding their bikes in Inyokern where they lived, and they heard this horrible screaming sound, thought it was a cat.
Well, they followed the sound and found a domestic rabbit, not a cottontail or a jackrabbit like you find out in the desert, but a domesticated rabbit.
And it had a partial head growing out of the back of its neck.
The mouth was clearly visible.
It had one eye, and the rest of it, you could tell that it was like something trying to come out, like a Harry Potter movie, trying to come out of the back of its head.
And it upset the boys so bad that one of the boys rode back, got his father.
His father brought out a handgun, and once he saw it, he shot it, thinking it was just some environmental mishap.
Well, the kids didn't want to leave the rabbit, so they buried it.
And the next day, they went back to put flowers on its grave and to say a small prayer because their father was in such a hurry to get them away from it that they found the carcass missing.
It had been dug up by an animal.
Well, another cat was found.
And this cat was fine.
There was nothing wrong with it.
It was not upset, hurt, or anything, but it had two tails.
Well, in the summer, I had a friend who was a police officer, and he called one night and he said, you're not working on Friday night.
Why don't you do a ride-along?
And I'm like, hey, great, no problem.
Richcrest is not really a big spot for a lot of excitement.
So I thought, you know, what the heck.
So we were having dinner, and we got a call.
And some woman out in Inyokern, once again out in Inyokern, called and had complained about a week straight, saying that there was a bear going through her trash can.
And she called and nobody paid any attention.
She said, I want somebody out here now.
So they called My friend, and we went out there, and he told me, You stay in the car.
I'm like, Yeah, right, sure.
So I got out of the car with him.
We walked around.
She was out in Inyokern, there's mobile homes.
There's not any houses, just to set the picture.
There were three rows of mobile homes that went down about a mile.
They're each on about an acre.
And down at the very end of one of these little dirt roads was a big dumpster.
And this woman was standing on the porch of her mobile home.
Her dogs were in the front yard barking at this creature.
And we went around.
We heard this grunting noise.
Go around the corner of the fence where the bush is, and we see what we thought was a bear.
But there are no bears in the desert.
But when it turned around, I could not believe my eyes.
The bottom line to this story, Kate, is you believe that Roger and his friends at China Lake were conducting some kind of post-Roswell genetic research and all these weird things were showing up in the desert.
All of this material is coming from average people.
People like you and me.
Just people.
That's some story.
I don't know.
I tend to sort of buy what she said.
I think because of the way she told it.
I don't know.
That's up to you.
What do you think?
Guess what?
Here's the doctor who supplied the video that's on the front page of the Coast to Coast AM site that I talked about at the beginning of the program of the triangle.
All right, so the night that I was doing the program with ABC Network all around me here, talking about triangles on the air, black triangles, you taped this?
So what happened, Bob, I mean, was my brother, who was a firefighter too, we both, our vacation sort of overlapped, and I said I would, if I could, I would meet him down in West Virginia at his trailer.
And what happened was there's a psychological component to this.
At the time, I was reading Whitney Street's book, Communion, and A Bove Top Secret by Timothy Goode.
So what happened, I mean, first of all, what was strange was I had a compulsion to go just one night.
I said I had to go down there, and I asked my wife to come with me.
It was raining out in a storm.
She says, you're a crazy driver.
I'm not going to go with you at night.
You want to wait until morning?
I'll go with you.
I said, well, I really, I was under compulsion To go.
So I just left, and she says, Don't get beamed up, Scotty.
So I meet my brother down there, and after being there a couple of days, and he's with his wife, he says, At that time, in that time frame, there was a collapse of a radio telescope, 300 foot in diameter, down in Greenbank, West Virginia.
And we're cutting through the woods, and I got this big Panasonic camcorder.
At that time, it was 75 pounds.
It had like an electronic image stabilizer system, and it's about two feet long, not like the camcorders they have today.
And I'm shooting at snakes as we're going, and we come out into this opening, and there's a pile of debris of steel I-beams like two stories high, roped off with yellow tapes, wanting to stay away.
And it's a one-story structure where some of the beams came down.
And on the night of the collapse, there was no storm.
unidentified
In other words, that was reported in the paper was on a calm windless night.
So we look at one of the things, and you could see, and this was no dismantling of the antenna at the time.
And you're looking down at these big bolts, and you could see where each one was cut, where you could see where it started on the bolt and cut the nuts with like a laser beam.
I guess I won't because I'm afraid that would cause some kind of problem.
That's fine.
And she said he came up and he mentioned there's something going on down at the antenna.
She said it was like in a panic and she wouldn't further elaborate.
I went into this.
This was after the incident I'm going to tell you about.
I went to the administrative building and I had learned that that date, that antenna was going to be hooked up with radio telescopes all around the world.
And when they had made the connections, it was going to effectively you would have a telescope twice the diameter of the Earth.
So I think, so what happened was, looking back on it now, I think it was taken out by the extraterrestrial for whatever reason this was going to be used.
I have spoken to one of the radio telescope astronomers, and he says that they also used it at that time to track Russian submarines.
And so you think, on the one hand, you saw what you wanted to see.
You wanted something like this to happen, but you maintain that it was very real nevertheless.
unidentified
Yes.
In other words, I had always wished I would see a UFO and never realized it.
And this was on the day there wasn't a cloud in the sky.
So the next day, it's 9.30 in the morning.
We're heading back.
We joked around about aliens cutting this thing down, half believing, half joking, you know.
So when we're heading back to New York City, my brother and his wife were in a rolling car.
We had a CB hookup between us.
We're five miles outside of the town of Parsons in West Virginia on Route 19, heading north, going back to New York, Long Island.
Yes.
And as we're making a turn, the oldest tree in West Virginia was on the right.
As we just, we make a right-angle turn, and there's a range of mountains right ahead.
They're almost like on a 45-degree angle going up.
When my brother saw something come down and hover over the mountain, he brings it to my attention.
He says, You see that?
He says, it doesn't look like a helicopter and it doesn't look like a plane.
Let's pull the car over and take a look.
So as I'm looking at this thing from arm's length, it looked like the size, an arm's length, the size of a P. It was brown, and it seemed to be emitting something into atmosphere, brownish, like with spraying something, three times the length of his body.
And while I'm getting a fix on it, before I get out of the car, this thing disappears.
So I doubted my senses.
I get out of the car.
And my brother brings to my attention.
He says, look at that contrail above.
It's like a J. It's a vertical, like a J contrail.
I said, well, whatever that was, it went up into the stratosphere, you know?
So I look over his shoulder, and what's coming down out of the sky is bigger than the moon, it's this cold, it was a UFO coming down, and clouds swirling on the circumference of it, like in a storm.
And it was so dramatic, it had this, that if you place Jesus in it, in that luminescent disk, it would look, you know, it was just stunning to see it visually, you know?
Another one, after that disappeared like a luminescent, then as I grabbed the camera again to record it, after I got in the car, a gray one was there and right across the road, like three feet, was hovering two feet off the road.
And, you know, from then on, back to New York City, we didn't have a further incidence.
But later on in the year, I had helicopters hovering over the house.
And we had two that were obviously gone when we got there in the front seat.
It was a small car.
I think it was a Bolshevik and Jetto burst a Dodge van, hit on.
And there was a girl in the back seat.
She was conscious, broken bones.
I'm in the back seat working with her.
And there was a girl outside banging on the window, yelling and screaming.
And I'm looking at her, and it's her.
And she kept saying, my sister, my sister.
And I'm like, you know, okay, you know, I just figured maybe she was out of her body, need to go back in her body.
She kept saying her sister, sister.
Well, she went unconscious, and we transferred her to the hospital.
She came conscious again.
She kept, you know, yelling for another girl's name.
And later I found out this was her twin sister that had died two years before in a car accident about three or four blocks away from where that had happened.
So she saw her sister.
I saw her sister.
And her sister is panicking, wanting us to make sure that we're doing everything we're doing.
And I just figured I was seeing the normal, okay, they're out of their body, they're in their body type experience, and kind of find out it was her sister that had passed on two years prior.
Did these people, once the dialogue with you was done, did the apparition just disappear?
unidentified
Gone.
Gone.
It's like, you know, they're there one second and gone the next.
And there were several times where I would see them at a scene.
I would see them in our ambulance.
Then I would see them at the ER.
And not only that, but I would also see other people that would, I have figured out through the years, these were relatives that were coming to take them home.
They would meet us at the hospital.
And these people weren't like the hysterical, grieving, oh my God, what happened?
They're the ones, oh, so-and-so is here.
Can you tell me where they're at?
Or how are they?
Are they going to make it?
They're very calm, very congenial.
They're not the ones.
Most family members are just wigged out when they hit the hospital.
Well, going back to the first story you told, I mean, there must have come a moment where you and that doctor sat down and talked about the man who had just complained about being worked on for too long.
unidentified
I sat down with that doctor and that PA on three different occasions because I was just so wigged out over this whole thing.
I just couldn't sleep.
I wasn't sure if I needed a psychologist.
And they assured me that they saw him also, and this was a very common occurrence for them.
The only time anything like that ever happened to you as a nurse then.
unidentified
Yes.
Because I didn't tell anybody for a long time because it was very weird.
It still kind of gives me, makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck.
But it's kind of weird to be part of somebody else's, I don't know if it's a near-death or out-of-body experience or both because he was floating above the room and could see me.
He told me that there are some very strange and very disgusting genetic mutations that have escaped from research labs all over the U.S. And he said they're just horrifying.
My husband and I and my three-year-old daughter were coming home from visiting family on the farm.
And we were on a, you know, pretty rural road.
It's outside of Chicago, Illinois.
It's Harlem, and Route 30 back then, it was really rural.
Not so much anymore.
But we were at a stoplight heading north on Harlem.
And we were just, you know, we had got the light.
We were just waiting to go, and the light turns green.
And my husband, you know, steps on the gas, and we're moving forward.
And then out of nowhere, just to the left of us, this car is, you know, going through the red light.
And I'm looking at the car, and I know we're going to be hit.
He was that close.
I could see his face, you know, through the windshield, and I could see that he didn't have any passengers through our car door where my husband was sitting.
Well, you know, I've heard these kinds of stories before that all of a sudden the vehicle just, instead of hitting, passes through like it wasn't the right time or something for this to happen.
And so it doesn't happen.
Instead, it passes through.
And you say you could see him and his interior as it passed through.
unidentified
Yes.
And the other thing is, I felt our front end kind of lift, like from the force of the impending collision.
You know, these are things that, you know, 30 years later let you know that, you know, it really did occur because, you know, they were just so unusual.
So the next thing I know is I'm looking at his license plate, you know, through the window on the passenger side and he's still speeding.
He didn't hit his brake until after he was, I guess what you'd say, he hit us.
and i was done that you know i mean i was just so surprised other people had had it it was like Do you think it was something that somehow got twisted out of what was supposed to happen and therefore it didn't?
Or do you see what I'm getting at?
unidentified
sometimes feel it's an intervention of some sort.
I don't know if you want to say a miracle or you know, just...
Well, I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba, up in the northern latitudes.
And my ancestry on my father's side goes back to the 1700s.
He came from England, a single man.
He went to the colonies back then so you could own land and, you know, have a future, especially if you weren't the first son.
So he came out, he made his way out to the prairies, and back in the 1700s, it was called Lower Fort Gary.
And that's what became later on Winnipeg.
And he served at the fort, and he went on many expeditions up into the North Country.
And around here at that time, the natives were friendly.
It wasn't a warlike people.
They were nomadic.
And my grandfather, great, I don't know how many great times he was, my grandfather met them.
And of course, you would hear lots of legends and stories.
And traveling up further north, he had heard of an opening in the ground where the natives said it was where the earth spirits dwelt and that they would come out at times and they would hear things and very afraid too.
I think at times men that wanted to say that they were brave or even children would spend the night there as youngsters.
So my grandfather got one of the men to show him this.
And not going into any other detail for whatever reason, he decided to stake up some property that encompassed that area.
And he also owned a lot of land which became later Winnipeg.
But through our heritage, you know, the land was sold off.
And my father's family did spread out across the country and some are in the States now.
Yeah, but in Manitoba, you do get rocks aren't like green colors.
How far back did you get?
It was about two feet thick.
So then we figure out where the edge came to after pulling the dirt and the solid away, and then we started going down on, like, you know what I mean, on the other side, the outside part of the hole?
The funny, well, there was a lot of funny things about Pless's stories, but as I was telling you earlier, that about within maybe 50 yards of the whole circumference, it was all bush, but it was quiet.
But the funny thing was, like, it would have its organs placed out.
And one night we were really, I guess we were brave, I don't know, or so used to it that we slept near it.
And because even the natives said they could hear the earth spirit sing.
And I will always remember this, but you could hear, I don't know if it was a humming or just a very, almost you couldn't hear it, but you could feel it.
Well, I've been always fascinated by holes, and you have an absolutely fascinating one, and you say you can get to it.
If I were to come to you privately, I have your information here, and wish to take a trip to this hole, would that be possible?
unidentified
Well, I'd have to talk to the family, you know, because it is so private.
Something that you might be interested in over the years, very rarely has been passed through down the family, are sometimes you would find things left at the edge.
When my son Andrew was six years old, on December 25th in 1996, he was on his way to Christmas Mass with his grandmother when a young driver who ran a red light struck the vehicle and deemed Andrew quadriplegic on a ventilator with no movement below his jaw.
The paramedic reports that were obtained later stated that when they arrived on the scene a few minutes after the accident, Andrew had no pulse, no blood pressure, and no respiration.
The neurosurgeon stated that Andrew had sustained a life-threatening injury just millimeters away from his brainstem.
The doctors informed me that the outlook for him was very grim.
And if he did live, he would never talk due to the placement of an endotracheal tube and stated that he would never be able to eat and would be confined to a bed and not be able to attend school, and he would be homebound.
The firefighters and paramedics were there, though, at the hospital every single day of our 60-day hospital stay until we went to another city to go to rehab.
Andrew started calling his visitors his angel.
And his grade school had a fundraiser for us, and they sold Andrew's Angel's cookbooks.
Well, several weeks later, we tried to put the story together for Andrew and six-year-old Charms.
He, at that time, was able to talk, even though he had an endotracheal tube place.
And he argued with me and said that, no, mom, that he did not ride in the helicopter.
He rode over it.
He said that he could see himself as he looked down, and he said that he saw a light, and he saw God and the angels, and he saw his dad.
Well, his dad had died in a car accident when I was six weeks pregnant with Andrew.
Andrew never saw his dad.
I asked him how he knew who his daddy was and who the angels were, and he looked at me and said, Mom, they're wearing name tags.
Like that was something that everyone should know.
He described God as a very old man with a long beard and long white dress on, and he told me that his daddy told him to come back to earth because his mommy still needed him.
A few hours after the accident, I questioned why the accident had to happen on Christmas Day, and someone told me that Andrew was a Christmas miracle for that he was still with us.
Andrew has A very brave spirit, and I feel that that's because he's seen the other side and he's not scared anymore.
And if somebody comes to you for something like that, I guess you, you know.
unidentified
Yeah, if it's not real complex with a lot of testamentary wills and testamentary trust and things like that, then I used to do quite a bit.
But anyway, this lady came in, she had an appointment, that she'd never written a will before, and that she was going on a trip, and that she'd never flown, and she thought it'd be a good idea to write a will, which is pretty common.
And so she told me that her husband had died several years before, really didn't have a very big estate, had a house and a car and a little bit of savings.
And she listed her oldest son as executor and basically left the estate equally to her children.
Say nothing about it.
So anyway, it took a couple of days to do the will, and she said she was in a hurry because she was going on a trip.
And she came back in and texted you have to have at least two witnesses to do a will.
And so it was paralegal.
And the secretary came in and with an overregion.
She executed it.
And I asked her some questions about being a fan of mine.
And she was just robust.
She was just as nice and sweet as could be.
Anyway, didn't say anything about it, got her the original will and took the over in the file.
And then several months later, I got a call from another attorney and said he was representing this estate.
And I said, Oh, did she pass away?
Because I remembered her.
And he said, Yeah, he said, But we're having a real problem with this with your will.
And I said, Well, what's the problem with it?
And he said, Well, you executed it three days after she died.
And the problem with that whole area was that when they tried to drill for water there, they either hid oil or the water was so nasty it was undrinkable.
So what they ended up having to do is go about 60 miles sort of northeast towards the mountains into the middle of this dry lake bed and drill a whole bunch of wells.
Yes.
Okay, that was what we called Pump Station 1.
All right, so this is, oh, 1960, 61 at the latest.
I remember one night during the summer I was down there with my grandfather, and I used to ride with him.
I used to go work with him, you know, did the whole thing.
And we were heading out towards Pump Station, excuse me, one.
And in those days, there was just nothing out there.
This was before Highway 5 was built or anything.
Okay, so we're going up the Main Hawaii Highway.
We went through the little towns of Wasco and Shafter.
That was Pump Station 2.
And you could see Pump Station 1 out in the middle of this, you know, out in the middle of nowhere out there for miles.
Sure.
So we turned off the main highway, heading towards the pump station, and we're probably, it's about a 20-mile road, I'd say, and we're about halfway, and all of a sudden, the same creature stepped right in the middle of the road in front of us.
Yeah, you know, I was a kid, so I really didn't know any better.
And I remember my grandfather kind of swore, which is something that he never did in his life.
And he basically slowed down, and the thing crossed the road, and we ended up going up to the pump station.
I asked him, what was that?
And he says, oh, that's the boogeyman for sure.
And he says, and it likes to play with my pipes.
Yeah.
And I mean, I actually saw this thing.
But on top of that, in the scenery, I don't remember the exact name of this particular dry lake.
I don't have a USGS map in front of me.
But, you know, it's about, you know, about 75 miles kind of northeast of Bakersfield.
And anyway, the other thing I used to do when I was a kid was about a quarter of a mile from the house out there in the oil fields, I used to climb this old wooden oil derrick.
And I would watch what my grandmother used to call the angel lights up in the same direction.
I was on medication about two years ago, and it was for back pain.
Now, I was going up the stairs, and I fell down, and my wife came downstairs.
She looked at me, she put her hand on my chest, I wasn't breathing, I turned purple, and then when she put her hand on my heart, she says, my heart wasn't beating.
Well, you understand that in most of the world we know about, four minutes would, I think, mean that you would be without much of a functioning brain left.
unidentified
Yeah, and you know what?
I felt like I was floating, and then when I told my doctor about it, he looked at my medication.
If you believe in many lives, as so many people do, and you believe that you've made deals with the devil in all those past lives, then karmically, well, I just don't know about this current lifetime.
It is how you continue to gloss over the real news with all this nonsense about satanic rights of people passing their souls on and making deals with the devil.
You don't believe it?
You believe that all people don't believe it.
I do believe people do this.
I do believe people do this.
And I'm going to tell you what I believe also.
I believe that you and your friends that are making deals with the devils, such as the activist judges that are throwing out the cases against pornographers that are trying to destroy America, those people all have made deals with the devil because the pornography industry, there is not enough people out there in this great nation of ours that want to consume this kind of product to even have an industry that has.
The First Amendment applies to everybody, being ahead.
unidentified
No, it does not.
And in fact, the First Amendment has been completely mistranslated.
It was not meant for people to be able to make the kind of filth that we are seeing pumped out of Hollywood, that sewer of Los Angeles.
And if people want to know why God is punishing the world, it is because, and God is punishing America, just like Pat Robertson said, it is because of the pornographers, the homosexuals, and the degenerates.
But even if it's 10 or 15% of the population and they were to marry and not reproduce, then you might get the same effect because they wouldn't reproduce.
unidentified
But their agenda is not simply to allow the 10 or 15%.
That is an overestimated and inflated number, by the way.
If it's such a low number, then why are you concerned?
unidentified
Because have you seen these programs on television?
On our television, on our public gala rates, we have the queer guys with their eyes on the straight guys, and they're trying to turn them into homosexuals.
This is a part of the New World Order.
They are trying to homosexualize our society behind.
Well, I paid about $300 on the car, and he paid the rest, you know.
And he ended up going back to Hawaii, like I said, and I never paid him what I owed him.
And I'm carrying these boxes, and I'm kind of looking up at the ceiling, you know, and I'm like, well, at least I don't have to pay the $300 I owe you, Sols, because we're close friends, you know.
And right then at that time, man, the bottom of the box falls out, and these pictures fly out.
And on the top three, four pictures, they're all him.
So I look back up at the ceiling, and I go, I'll send it to your mother, I swear.
Well, instance, when I was four, I was almost five, and I know normally most of the times things happen to you at that age you don't remember it, but something that huge you remember.
And I actually choked to death off of a sandwich.
And it happens.
And I saw my mother go into a panic, and I saw myself laying there very purple.
And I went into, you know, the ambulance eventually came and they took me to the hospital.
And I didn't see myself going into the ambulance.
I had gone someplace else, and it wasn't bright.
I mean, it was very well lit, but it was more of that, you know how it looks just before the dawn breaks or dusk, just before it gets dark?
And I, you know, I, for lack of a better term, I saw this, you know, this immense garden.
And it was like I had been, I don't know, it was like there was this communication with me that was, you know, it was wordless, but the gist of it was to go back.
And I went back, and I had just learned how to spell several new words that day.
You know, dog and cat and simple things like that.
And the first thing my mother did when I came, I recall being rolled out on stretcher.
I had tubes and everything.
It was kind of hard to talk.
But my mom says, do you remember how to spell dog?
And I looked up at her, just dead pan, you know, and I spelled G-O-D.
So it was almost as though I had been on the other side of the looking glass kind of thing, and everything was reversed.
okay well that's usually okay thank you very much that's usually how those things are remembered i i wonder how many of you have memories in your very early for I can remember holding the slats on my crib.
I can remember crawling out of my crib.
I can remember going into my mom's brand new cedar closet and finding a bucket of yellow paint.
And I can remember painting my mom's cedar closet.
And I can remember my mom screaming a lot.
I can remember all of that.
I painted most of her cedar closet, at least that which I could reach.
And I thought I had done her such a large favor.
I mean, this was beautiful, newly installed cedar, you know, with that great cedar smell to it.
I just slopped the old yellow paint on it.
I was out of my crib.
Should have been taking a nap.
I remember all of that, I think.
Now, I'm sure that I remember holding my crib, but my mom has told me the story of painting her cedar closet so many times that I'm not sure now whether I really have that in my own memory or that was transferred to me at such a young age and repeated so frequently because it was so traumatic for my mom that it sort of installed the memory in me.
And I bet you have a lot of memories just like that.
Well, it was about 20 years ago, and I was living in New York at the time, and I had this experience where I fell asleep, but I wasn't really asleep.
It was more like what you would call a lucid dream or some state like that where you're not really in a deep sleep and you're aware of everything.
And I saw a vision of what you would call Satan or the devil or whatever you'd want to call it appeared at the foot of my bed.
And he appeared to be a man, a very, very good-looking man, as a matter of fact.
And it was all sort of telepathic.
He didn't speak.
But he was offering me a pact with him that if I were to make this pact, I would have basically a very wonderful life, whatever I wanted, material, anything that I wanted.
And I should say I was raised as a Catholic, and so for years I thought perhaps this was just my own thoughts about Catholicism or something that had come up.
But I don't believe that.
I really believe this was so real that this really happened.
I know that he made clear that I could have what I wanted if I would, in return, help him to corrupt souls, That I would have to help in this mission, which is to capture souls.
And I don't know if they were trying to pull me in or they were asking for help.
But my impression was that it was all chaos.
I didn't see fire and brimstone.
Just chaos.
The worst sort of imaginable chaos that they were living in.
And they were asking for help.
And he was laughing and just laughing and just almost saying like, you know, these are the souls that I have captured.
And I just like, then it just disappeared and it was over.
And I, for years, whenever I tell the story, the reactions I get are, you know, just sort of from stunned disbelief to sort of negative about, well, this is your Catholic background.