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Feb. 6, 2005 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Amazing Open Lines
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so so
in the high desert and the great american southwest i bid you all good morning good
afternoon good evening whatever it may be in whatever time zone you reside in every single
one of them covered like a blanket by this program coast to coast am i
I'm Art Bell, my honor to be escorting you through the weekend.
This is Open Lines.
That means exactly what it says, Open Lines, with the exception of one.
One idea struck me big time, so let me get that out of the way right now.
I'm gonna hold one line open, and I would like to thank... Well, who is it?
Steve and Mousetrap.
What kind of name is that?
Steve and Mousetrap.
If somebody was really named Mousetrap, shame on their parents.
Anyway, thank you both, Steve and Mousetrap.
Please open a line tonight for anyone that has made a pact with the devil.
And find out how that pact is coming out.
And also ask how they came to ask for the pact in the first place.
And I thought that a Jim Dandy idea.
Malachi Martin was on here.
Father Malachi Martin, for years, he had suggested that many, many, many out there had made pacts with the devil.
And indeed, if any of you are willing to talk, About the deal you made, how you came to make it, and how it's coming so far.
You know, we'd like to know how it's going.
Then we're going to hold one line open for you.
That would be area code 775-727-1222.
That normally would be the first time caller line, but in this case, it's only for people who have made a pact with the devil.
You've got to imagine, those are going to be some interesting stories.
All right, with that in mind, a few things before we get started.
Number one, I direct your attention to the coasttocoastam.com website.
We got a butte for you here, folks.
I mean, we really got a butte.
Dr. Mark Olson of Sonora Sightings writes, I've attached footage Part of the triangular UFO that I videotaped while you were on the air, while I was on the air.
And you'll hear sound in the background.
It was August 8th, 2004.
The UFO appeared over Lion's Bald Mountain and flew over my head very slowly, heading south.
No sound.
It was awesome.
No question.
It was a triangle.
No question on that very night, synchronistically, I was on the air talking about triangles, black triangles with colors, while ABC was here filming a documentary.
Now, this thing is incredible.
This looks like what my wife and I saw it at a closer range, but what this man filmed while I was on the air that night is also my like what we saw uh... it kind of a miniature to
my eyes but there's no question about it there's no
f a a type lights there are three lights it is a triangle and you can hear the
audio as it well you know to be over here
you can actually hear the guy talking about it
a triangle all my god he says as a singer zipping along
You can actually see it in movement in the sky.
No question about it, a flying triangle, a very clearly defined triangle at the synchronistic moment that I was talking about it on ABC.
And by the way, with regard to that ABC special, while you go up to the website and take a look at this incredible video.
Video is good, you know, it's one of those things you can put your hands on and say, yeah baby, look at that.
That's a real McCoy, and that guy got it on tape.
Congratulations to you, my friend.
And so if he calls tonight, certainly I'd like to speak with him.
Anybody who has a presence of mind to get out a video camera and nail the proof is my kind of guy.
All right, so we've got one line reserved away for people who have made pacts with the devil.
You know that's going to be interesting.
And then we have a number of people that have told me stories ahead of time that I already have waiting to tell them.
And then we have all of you.
It's going to be an extremely interesting night.
Stay right there.
i've got a little more before the polls trust me that uh...
footage upon the website right now is worth watching
I mean, it really is.
I would call that prima facie evidence.
I mean, good evidence.
The kind that people with video cameras can get.
Here he was, listening to the program we were doing with ABC, and it happened.
And speaking of that documentary, As you know, ABC was here for a couple of days.
Now, that's probably going to boil down to about 30 seconds of video, but this... I think we've got to give them credit.
It's the UFO Phenomena.
Seeing is Believing, is what they're titling it.
The UFO Phenomena.
Seeing is Believing.
Two hours, prime time, on ABC television.
Thursday, February 24th, at 8 o'clock.
And let's read a little bit of this.
February 4th, 2005.
Almost 50% of Americans, that'd be half of us according to recent polls, and millions of people elsewhere in the world believe that UFOs are real.
For many it is a deeply held belief.
For decades there have been sightings of UFOs by millions and millions of people.
It is a mystery that only science can solve.
And yet the phenomena remains largely unexamined.
Most of the reporting on the subject by the mainstream media holds those who claim to have seen UFOs up to ridicule.
On February 24th, Peter Jennings, reporting UFOs, Seeing is Believing, takes a fresh look at UFO phenomena.
As a journalist, says Jennings, I began this project with a healthy dose of skepticism and an open mind as possible.
After almost 150 interviews with scientists, Investigators, and many of those who claim to have witnessed unidentified flying objects, there are important questions that have not been completely answered, and a great deal not fully explained.
Peter Jennings, reporting UFOs, Seeing is Believing, airs Thursday, February 24th, 8 to 10 p.m.
Eastern on ABC.
The program will be broadcast in high definition, by the way.
So, probably I'll have, you know, all of 30 seconds on it, or something.
But they did record out here for a couple of days, so it's going to be very interesting to see what shows up.
They interviewed many, many, many of the very best, and so, giving them credit, here is a major U.S.
network actually going out there and doing a serious show on UFOs.
Mark it down on your calendar.
February 24th, 8 o'clock.
I don't know the rest of them.
Central, Pacific, you know, you add it up for your area, check your guide and all that.
The New England Patriots must have seen it, right?
Don't have to proclaim greatness.
The NFL record book does that for them.
The Patriots won their third Super Bowl in four years, Sunday.
24-21 over the Eagles.
And now, indeed, they are challenging history.
It was their ninth straight postseason victory.
Equaling Vince Lombardi's Green Bay Packers.
It was Coach Belichick's 10th playoff victory in 11 games.
10th playoff victory in 11 games.
One better than the great Lombardi.
And it matched Dallas' run of three championships in four years in the early 1990s.
So, it was good.
Gunman waylaid a minibus Sunday, carrying foreign technicians to their jobs.
At a mobile telephone company in western Baghdad, seizing four Egyptians in the second kidnapping of foreigners in the Iraqi capital within a week.
We're going to be talking to somebody in a moment who was kidnapped, as a matter of fact, by Al-Qaeda.
Pope John Paul II blessed the faithful from his hospital window Sunday, looking frail, speaking with difficulty, but determined to show he can still lead the Roman Catholic Church.
He's hanging in there.
Nobody, but nobody was worried when Paul McCartney stripped off his jacket midway through his halftime performance at the Super Bowl.
In fact, all was revealed was a long-sleeved shirt and nothing malfunctioned and all went well.
And the legend that is McCartney did a wonderful halftime performance.
Kenny Young is dead, folks.
He's He's going to be very much missed in the UFO community.
This is from Whitley Strieber's UnknownCountry.com.
One of America's most skilled and important UFO investigators, Kenny Young, has died of cancer at just age 38.
Kenny has had the disease for some time, but requested that Whitley, who followed his career closely, not disclose his illness publicly, and of course Whitley did not.
Kenny was a sober, careful, skeptical UFO researcher, And Whitley believed him to be among the very best of the younger generation whose work is characterized by just the facts approach that doesn't attempt to fit findings to theories, but simply seeks to prove what is real.
Goodbye, Kenny.
You will be missed.
Keeping track of this, the virus, the virus, the headline is, Cambodia confirms bird flu in poultry near capital, Phnom Penh.
Bird flu has been found in chickens near the Cambodian capital, officials said today.
Raising fears about the spread of the deadly virus in a country that has little to no health system at all, the H5N1 virus strain was detected in dead chickens at a small poultry farm in the province of Kandel, just south of Phnom Penh.
The Agricultural Ministry said people are now aware of the virus, and when they suspected a case, they reported it to us.
The bird flu has now hit our country again.
We must all watch this like a hawk, this bird flu thing.
The scientists have been regularly predicting it's going to turn into some sort of pandemic, and like a A rumbling from a mountain getting ready to go, the stories just keep coming.
And now, here's another one of those, the stories just keep coming things.
The headline is, Melting Away, a Slow Motion Catastrophe.
A scientist looking southward from the tip of South America over steel gray waters toward icy Antarctica, See, only questions on the horizon about the fate of the planet.
Now that one mammoth Antarctic ice shelf has collapsed into the ocean, when might another, bigger one, crumble and slip into the warming sea in a thousand years, a hundred, sooner?
Never.
People don't have the answers to the questions yet, but there is a probability, some probability, a possibility of a collapse.
Scientists had just flown back from the icy continent to this expedition staging point, and they brought with them some potentially very unsettling news.
On a two-month round-trip trek by snow tractor to the South Pole, they pointed their sophisticated radar at the ground, and they found the West Antarctic Ice Sheet may be much thicker than thought.
Many hundreds of feet thicker, in fact, in parts.
If that's true, and of course, if the melting part is true, that means a great deal more water is going to go into those rising ocean levels.
And we're hearing very, very disturbing things about the Antarctic right now, and the rate of the melting going on, and the rate of the warming that's going on.
It's all very, very worrisome, both at the north and south parts of the world.
All right, with that in mind, I do have more, but I'll hold it and kind of sprinkle it as we continue through the program.
Let us begin here on the wildcard line.
You're on the air.
Good morning.
Hello.
Hello.
Yes, sir.
This is Greg Williams.
Greg, hi.
Welcome to the program.
Oh, okay.
Go ahead and begin your story wherever you want to.
You were You were held prisoner by Al-Qaeda, is that right?
Right.
First of all, where did this occur?
In the Philippines.
In the Philippines.
Where still a very great deal of Al-Qaeda today, I believe, virtually controls parts of the Philippines, is that not correct?
Not really.
After they got the Burnhams out, Pretty much had killed and captured most of the Abu Sayyaf leaders, all except one who is now hiding out with another group called the MNLF.
They're a group that has been... another Islamic group that's been fighting for land, and the government actually gave them some land in Mindanao.
So the remnants of Abu Sayyaf have been hiding there, and there's been these guys from Indonesia, Islamia, whatever...
Well, we hear a lot about it.
Anyway, how did it come that you went to the Philippines anyway, William?
Well, that's really the whole story.
They set off a couple of bombs down there in the southern Philippines killing people.
Well we hear a lot about it.
Anyway, how did it come that you went to the Philippines anyway William?
Well that's really the whole story.
It's really about my spiritual journey through life and how I grew up here in Rockford, Illinois
and ended up doing things I wanted to do like playing rock and roll and moving to Florida
I'm becoming a pretty successful businessman.
And how in 1993 I had an accident where my back was injured and things went downhill from there.
I got abandoned by my wife and my job squeezed me out and even my parents up here in Rockford wouldn't take me back because they just simply didn't believe it was that bad.
And even I didn't realize at the time I was becoming disabled.
Yeah, when it rains it really pours, doesn't it?
Yeah, I'll tell you.
I mean, I was blessed to have, I really had a blessed life.
And then all of a sudden it just turned upside down.
Alright, so how do you get from Florida and a disintegrating life to the Philippines?
Well, the only people there for me in Florida were the church.
And I was going to church, I had some friends there.
I went to a singles night and the pastor was giving a sermon on the missions that the church
is involved in.
I do speak some Spanish and when I expressed some interest they wanted to send me to Cuba.
I said no, I worked in Miami too long and I have too many friends down there.
I wouldn't betray them.
I found out that the Philippines, their second language is English.
I thought this could be a good place to go.
I just basically made the decision.
I didn't want to languish on the streets as a homeless person.
Philippines sounds better than homeless.
At least I'd be doing something.
So there you are, on behalf of the church, on the way to the Philippines.
Yes.
Alright.
Then what?
Well, when I arrived, there was another twist because the pastor who I had been in contact with, who was supposed to meet me there in Manila, he had injured himself in a construction accident.
And he was not there, so I didn't know what to do.
Anybody at the airport?
Oh, no.
Okay.
Actually, I wasn't supposed to be anywhere.
They gave me the address, and he faxed me a bunch of information about where the Holiday Inn was, and the church he's at is just a couple blocks away.
So you decided to just walk?
Oh, yeah.
I checked into the Holiday Inn, and I walked over there, and he wasn't there.
So I had met somebody on the airplane coming down who It was pretty eerie, actually.
She was a blind woman, and she had Filipino guys with her, and she was called the Blind Prophet.
She did a Christian crusade every year.
When we were talking, she made a very cryptic comment to me.
She said, when I told her I had a mission I was going to be going to, and they invited me to go with them, she said, well, I look forward to I look forward to you coming with us.
So you called her?
Yeah.
So here I was with nobody and I called her and I said, well, I guess I'd like to go with you guys.
And what they did is they headed down into the Southern Philippines where, unbeknownst to me and most other people, that's where the Abu Sayyaf was active.
Now I think I'm aware of that.
And so how did they get you?
We were getting ready to go to another island and one morning we got separated.
The entourage and the blind prophet got into two cabs and they didn't have enough for us.
So we had myself and my companion, my Filipino friend, and just the two of us caught a second cab a few minutes later.
This guy was trying to catch up to him and he took a shortcut through the Cebu Harbor I know he didn't do it on purpose.
I know he did it by mistake.
and stacks of these big train car kind of freight trains.
It came around the corner and all of a sudden we had was shunted by about four or five guys with black ski masks
and AK-47s.
So in other words, this taxi driver drove you right into the trap.
Yeah, people always ask me, do you think he did it on purpose?
I know he didn't do it on purpose.
I know he did it by mistake.
He was not working with them because he was killed later on when they took us by speed boat.
So, they took not only you two, but the cab driver as well?
Yes.
Basically, they pulled, for some reason, I don't know why, they pulled them out and started beating them.
And they pulled me out.
They did hit me on the head and knocked me out for a few minutes.
They put sacks on our heads and led us on to this little speedboat.
We were on that for several hours as they took us to the other island.
And already you're thinking Miami doesn't sound so bad anymore, I'm sure.
Yeah, I was quite confused.
I just kept thinking, what would they want with me?
I'm a homeless person with no money, no future, no nothing.
But they didn't know that, did they?
Oh, no.
They knew about the crusade.
All right.
Hold it right there.
We'll be right back.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
It gets worse from here.
You get a shiver in the dark.
It's raining in the park.
In the meantime, Sound of the river, you stop and you hold everything A band is blowing Dixie, double ball time You feel alright, when you hear the music play Well now you step inside, but you don't see too many faces
Coming in out of the rain, they hear the jazz go down.
Competition in other places.
The competition in other places.
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It is, and we're talking with Greg Williams, who was a prisoner of Al-Qaeda for quite a while.
Tortured, beheadings went on.
You'll hear all about it, the rest of his story.
And what a story it's gotta be.
I mean, you're a homeless guy.
You barely make it to the Philippines.
You end up going with somebody you probably shouldn't have into a cab where you shouldn't have.
No doubt shouldn't have been.
And guys grab you and throw sacks over your head.
and i guess that's how it began by the way we have a customer standing by on our let's make
a deal line but right now
uh... back to greg uh...
Greg, so you're a prisoner of Al-Qaeda.
You didn't really know they were Al-Qaeda.
In fact, you didn't know who they were.
All you had was a bag on your head, and they took you on some journey?
Yeah.
All I knew about the Philippines was about Marcos and the Communist guerrillas, so I assumed these were either just bandits or Communist guerrillas.
They took us.
Several hours over the oceans between the islands.
It took us to the island of Bithilan, which is one of the island's home islands, Abu Sayyaf.
But I'm sure you didn't know that at the time, what it was, I'd have to say.
Yeah, I had no idea.
You get there, and then what?
Well, we went on about an hour or two trip up the mountains, and then they found a... They split us up.
I never saw the cab driver of my friend.
His name was Remy.
Never saw them.
Uh, during the first 11 or 12 days that I was there.
How long were you there altogether?
Uh, 13 days.
That's the name on my book.
Uh, it's called... You're writing a book about this called 13 Days.
Well, it's already been published.
It's been out for about a year.
Okay.
And it's called 13 Days of Terror.
And, uh, so I tell people not to be fooled by the... by the, uh, the title because it really is a... I wrote the book to be an inspirational book.
About how you can rise from the ashes, so to speak, which I did.
Or, at one point, is seemingly ashes to ashes.
I don't know.
From Miami in a wrecked life to an island with a bag over your head.
Anyway, what happened during those 13 days?
Well, in the beginning, they hung me up with my arms behind me.
And hung me up from a palm tree facing down.
And they did things like poke me, and stick knives in my face, and give me rice with ants in it, and of course I was sunburned, and mosquitoes were bad.
Did they ever tell you what they wanted?
Well, that's what was strange.
The first couple of days, they didn't say anything to me.
Well, no, that's not true.
Actually, what they did, and they said this a couple of times during the trip up the mountain, they kept saying, you're a missionary.
They kept saying, you're a missionary.
When I said, no, I'm not a missionary, they would just laugh at me.
Obviously they thought I was a missionary and obviously they thought I was part of an important organization.
That had money.
Exactly.
It wasn't until they got the interpreter involved, I think it was the third day or so, that he translated.
He spoke pretty good English.
That was when I found out more about what they intended.
And what did they intend to do and what did they want?
Well, they wanted money.
They wanted me to tell them where they could contact the company that would give money for me.
And, you know, I was still, even during these interrogations, were getting a little bit more heated and that kind of thing.
I remember there was a telling moment when during our, they were still saying, you are a missionary.
We know you're a missionary.
And I finally realized it hit me like an anvil over the head.
I'd better shut up.
I'd better quit saying I'm non-missionary.
Because these guys, from what I have seen, if I wasn't useful to them in some way, they'd probably just kill me.
And that's when I started playing a little more coy with them and stopped saying that I was not a missionary.
But it got worse.
They did take me down, and they shackled me by chain.
Uh, this little hut.
And, well, at least in the hut, I had some, you know, shade.
Yes.
And, uh, I did strange little things, like playing marbles with, uh, seeds in little holes.
And one of the highlights was, uh, when I was feeling quite in despair, I had this little mole, this little black mole.
You know, they have the big, long snout.
Uh, he used to visit once in a while and eat some of my scraps, like any rice that I I had on the ground.
And one day, during the afternoon, he came to visit me.
He didn't even look for food.
I was lying down, and he curled up in the back of my knee and went to sleep.
And it was like the hand of God touched me and said, you know, I'm still here.
Anyway, you were tortured during that time?
Yeah.
In what way?
Well, after a few days, they got really frustrated with me and they took me to a cave.
It was an old Japanese fortification in a cave.
And one of their chief torturers, his name was Abu Sabaya.
In fact, he was the same guy who was in charge of the Burnhams when they kidnapped the Burnhams.
Fortunately, he's now dead.
He began beating me.
Then he began stabbing my fingers with this big livestock needle.
He crushed one of my fingers with a rifle butt.
And then he started taking needles and sticking them into my my fingers and you know like digging around with them but
he did something that i found out later was their trademark he would take his hunting knife and jab
it underneath my fingernail from them take pliers and start pulling my fingernails up very
slowly oh my god very very painful but it's their trademark torture now with since you were being
tortured i There's usually a reason for torture.
Was it just for fun, or were they trying to get specific information about who to get the money from?
Both.
These people were just vicious animals.
While I was there, I witnessed them beheading a farmer.
I witnessed them raping some girls who were no more than 13.
They were doing drugs.
They were drinking.
Everything they were saying about their grand Islamic Just didn't make sense because these people they weren't
acting very Islamic if they were raping and exactly certainly were godly people and
But during the during the height of that when they're pulling my fingernails out. I had an out-of-body experience.
I thought I was dying and The Lord just lift me up, and I was a very I
Was looking down on myself. That's why I thought I was dying and it was just very
tranquil I felt very safe and secure and It really changed me spiritually.
And after that point, I never again had any fear.
They beheaded your friend?
Yeah, well, after that, yeah, after that when they couldn't get anything out of me then, then they brought my friend up, who I hadn't seen in 11 days.
And they brought him in front of me and just immediately lopped his head off right in front of me.
And, you know, obviously it did have an effect on me.
It scared the crap out of me.
I'm sure they chopped his head off?
Yeah.
In the book, I made it sound like it was a clean, swift chop and his head went rolling.
And it wasn't?
Unfortunately, no.
People in Iraq will tell you, unfortunately, that's not what happens when they behead people.
It's quite a gruesome sawing and chipping.
It's just really gross.
It's not a quick chop, let's put it that way.
So, after all of this, by then I'm sure you think you're just dead.
Oh yeah, I knew it.
Even though I bought a couple days just by throwing out a name of a place I had heard They did come back and they told me that, quote-unquote, tomorrow your head goes to Cebu as a warning to the whites.
Basically meaning the Christian whites that were in the Philippines.
Very, very much afraid of that group.
And I knew I was in great despair that night, crying and trying to, you know, Imagine myself and my children, my family not even knowing what happened to me.
It was quite a terrible moment for me, but I made peace with the Lord.
Alright, we don't have a lot of time and your escape was made by befriending, I guess you said that some of the guards were high as a kite or passed out sort of on something or another and you started talking to the translator?
Yeah, they were partying as usual and they were bringing girls into the town.
They passed out, and the translator didn't drink.
And so I knew he was a little different.
But anyway, we had a really good conversation, the first civilized conversation I'd had since I'd been there.
And we talked a lot about our children, our families.
Yeah, it was the night before your execution.
Exactly.
No, no, this was like... Well, you said they had said they were going to take your head the next day.
Yeah, but what happened... This conversation I had with the translator actually happened a couple days before that.
And what I didn't know is during that conversation, when we were challenging each other about our religious beliefs, somehow his mind changed.
And it was after that that they brought Remy to me and chopped his head off.
And I was in great despair.
Of course, I had no idea this guy was going to come back.
But for some reason, during our conversation, it touched him.
And he came back, and I had just gone to sleep.
Must have been like 4 or 5 in the morning.
He came back and the guard was passed out.
Got the keys unlocked.
And he had grown up as a child in those caves.
He knew there was a back entrance out of there.
A small little air shaft that someone thin could squeeze through.
By then you were thin.
Yes, I was.
I had lost quite a bit of weight.
And this guy was thin anyway, but nobody saw him come in.
And we were able to go out through this area.
He brought a little pocket knife with him.
Cut away the vegetation that's been over this air shaft for 50 some years.
I followed him very weakly and stumbling down the mountainside to his little house and his family.
One of his daughters happened to be going to another island on a fishing boat.
And his plan was to get me out of there.
And he did?
Yeah.
Well, that's some story.
Greg, do you think the West, and I use that as an all-inclusive phrase, is going to be at war with Islam?
Is that where this is eventually going?
Is it inevitable?
I don't think it is.
I think there are a lot of extremists out there who are blaming the religion.
And one of the great things about my book It really, I hope it clarifies, and I know a lot of people have said it to have, that even though this guy was a Muslim, he felt a kinship with me because I was a man of faith also, even though I was a Christian.
And it really showed me, really opened my eyes, that there's still so many good people, much more than the bad people, and that what's happened is a small percentage of 4 or 5% of the Muslims have tried to hijack their religion.
And there are other Muslims, like this guy who saved me, who are going to start cleaning up their own backyard.
I wonder how he made out.
Well, I know that he moved away.
I'm sure he did, yes.
And I know through his daughter, who cared for me after I left the island, that he actually asked for a Bible.
So, the big thing I learned was when I was leaving, and I turned to him and I said, you know, why?
How could you risk your life and your family?
Because I knew these guys would kill him, and his family.
And I said, how could you risk your life for me?
And he said, because I believe we're brothers under the same God.
Alright, well listen, Greg, I've got to go, but thank you very, very, very much for the story.
I hope your book does well.
Can you imagine the terror of that?
Being chained and watching your friend's head lopped off and getting that close to yourself.
That's what he went through.
That's quite a story.
I mean, homeless in Miami and then damn near headless in the Philippines.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi there.
How are you doing, Art?
I'm doing okay.
This is Kate, right?
Yes.
Excellent, Kate.
What can you tell us?
Well, I'm listening to you from KNCR, Bakersfield, California.
Ah, yes.
I worked in Michelson Lab on China Lake Naval Base in the late 70s.
With what everybody's talking about, the stem cell research and the geneticists dying and the microbiologists, I knew one of these days I would be telling this story and I feel it is necessary to do so right now.
Well, it's true.
I've had I don't know how many stories about dead microbiologists.
Somehow the media just decided to start focusing on dead microbiologists, but it seems like there have been so many stories, Kate, that there's something to it.
Or am I wrong?
No, you're definitely correct.
Definitely.
And it's none too soon coming.
It should have been out a long time ago, but you know how the government is.
They don't want to talk about anything, but you know, we're going to find out.
There are those of us who Look into these things and we're very determined and tenacious people.
Yes, well, you sound like it.
Oh, you betcha, honey.
I definitely am.
You worked at China Lake.
Yes, I did, sir, in the late 70s after I graduated from high school.
Doing what?
I was working on the cruise missile project.
Oh.
I was a systems analyst and, you know, basically just analyzing all of the information for the missile.
And they had Tomahawk and Sidewinder out there also.
And the almost two years that I was working on the project, three days after starting at the lab, I met a gentleman who had an office down the way from mine.
And I walked around in the first three days and said hello to everybody and introduced myself.
And this gentleman was coming out of his office and I knew by the nameplate that his name was Roger.
So I yelled down and I said, Roger!
How are you?
Good morning.
And he didn't stop.
And I thought, OK, maybe he didn't hear me.
Maybe he has a hearing disability or something.
So I kind of hurried behind him and tapped him on the shoulder.
And I said, Roger, how are you doing today?
My name is Kate.
I just started.
I just wanted to introduce myself.
And he turned and looked at me.
And you could see in his face, his name was not Roger, to start off the story there.
So over the next few months, I made friends with Roger.
He, in the course of speaking with him on our lunch hours, he, from what I gathered, he was at Roswell.
So he said.
He was 17.
So that alerted me to the fact that he was born in 1930.
So this must have been a fairly older fella.
Yeah.
Yeah.
During the course of the time that I was there, I only saw him maybe a dozen times.
He was born in 1937.
He was born in 1937.
Well, you guys can do the math.
I won't hold you up.
That's fine.
So anyway, during the course of the time that I was there, I only saw him maybe a dozen
times.
What bothered me was the fact that he seemed like a very nice fellow, but there was something
within his very being that he was fearful of.
He did not want to speak of what he was doing.
I asked him, well, you know, what do you do here?
And he said, oh, I, you know, do this and that.
But it wasn't happiness that he, you know, liked his job.
He was very just fearful.
You could tell that there was something going on that he didn't want to be a part of.
Did you find out what that was?
Well, when I asked him, I kind of trapped him when I asked him what he was doing.
And he kind of hemmed and hawed about it.
And then when I asked him again, he came out, I'm a geneticist.
And then he stopped really short and said, I shouldn't have said that.
And I said, so you're in the medical field.
And he said, I'm a geneticist.
I said, what is a geneticist doing on a naval base?
And he just looked at me and gave me a look like, don't ask.
Do not say another word.
And I said, okay.
I'm not going to say another word.
Right.
I didn't see him every day.
There were weeks that would go by that I didn't see him, but one day he came out.
I was sitting under the tree out in front having my lunch, and he came out and sat down, and I said, My God, where have you been?
I haven't seen you in ages.
Are you okay?
He had this look of just mortal fear on his face, and he said, You have been seen talking with me.
Watch your back.
Just be careful.
Great.
And me, you know, I've been into UFOs and all sorts of things my entire life.
And, of course, with the cruise missile, Tomahawk, and Sidewinder out there, the sightings were incredible.
And there are so many stories to that, but I won't bore you to tears with those tonight.
Stay with Roger.
Do you know what Roger was doing?
Did you figure out what Roger was doing?
Well, I didn't know what Roger was doing.
But he told me what he he gave me an idea of what he was doing at Roswell.
He said he was 17 years old.
He had enlisted early.
Back then they didn't need the required documentation that they do now.
So if you were 14 or 15, you could enlist and they wouldn't ask any questions.
And he told me that he was doing guard duty on something that happened in Roswell.
And he looked at me like You don't need to know.
All right, Kate.
Hold tight, and we'll finish this up after the break.
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I am Art Bell, and I've got Kate on the line, who worked on several missile systems, China Lake and elsewhere, met a guy who was at Roswell, and also was a geneticist.
That's a kind of a fiery combination.
We'll be right back.
A lot of people want to know, uh, Any more information you might have at all, Kate?
I mean, here's a guy, a geneticist.
He was at Roswell, and now he's not happy doing the work he's doing, whatever it is, at China Lake.
Any more hints you can give us about... Oh, definitely.
And I do apologize that this is such a lengthy story.
That's okay.
Go right ahead.
A lot I'm leaving out, but just the gist of it is...
That was the last time I saw him, but during the conversation on my lunch hour, I let him know that I knew his name was not Roger.
And I said, I know you feel that we're being watched, so why don't you just blink your eyes once for yes, twice for no.
So the conversation was, you were at Roswell.
He blinked once for yes.
I said, the stories that we have heard over the 40 some odd years, 50 some odd years, Are they all true?
He blinked twice for no.
I said, was there a crash of a UFO?
He blinked once.
The gist of it was that a little less than a fourth of the information that's out there is correct.
He said the rest of it is not correct.
Even a fourth ain't bad.
Even a fourth ain't bad.
And so I was being a, you know, a smart person.
I won't say that on the air, but I said, did this creature like strawberry milkshakes, like we all heard about, and his face softened as though he was remembering a memory that actually made him happy, and he blinked once.
And my zinger, you know we all have our intuition, well I call mine my zinger, and my zinger went off, and I knew this man was there.
He was telling the truth, and I knew this man was scared.
I never saw him again after that day.
To get the story going, during the next six months, various animals were found out in Inyo Kern, which is west of China Lake, by about eight miles.
Being the animal lover I am, it really bothered me when I heard some of these stories.
The first one was a rabbit, and this is pertinent to what I believe Roger was doing on the base.
Sure.
So, some children, an 8-year-old, 9-year-old, and 11-year-old, they're all brothers, were out riding their bikes in Inyokern, where they lived, and they heard this horrible screaming sound, thought it was a cat.
Well, they followed the sound and found a domestic rabbit, not a cottontail or a jackrabbit like you find out in the desert.
But a domesticated rabbit, and it had a partial head growing out of the back of its neck.
The mouth was clearly visible.
It had one eye, and the rest of it, you could tell that it was like something trying to come out, like a Harry Potter movie, trying to come out of the back of its head.
And it upset the boys so bad that one of the boys rode back, Got his father, his father brought out a handgun, and once he saw it, he shot it, thinking it was just some environmental horror.
Well, the kids didn't want to leave the rabbit, so they buried it.
And the next day, they went back to put flowers on its grave, and to say a small prayer, because their father was in such a hurry to get them away from it, that they found the carcass missing.
It had been dug up by an animal.
Well, another cat was found.
And this cat was fine.
There was nothing wrong with it.
It was not upset, hurt, or anything.
But it had two tails.
Two tails.
Two tails.
Roger's work.
Could be.
Could very well be.
How many animals like that?
My story's 18.
I'm sure there's more than that.
18 animals in the area?
The biggest one was Some kids, some college kids, driving north on 395 heading towards Mammoth for a camping trip.
They hit a dog.
The dog, they stopped, got out of the car.
They said the dog had a leg growing out of its left flank and a leg growing out of its right flank.
They said that the leg was half the length of the dog's leg.
They said the dog was a lab mix, a small, small lab mix.
They thought it was dead.
They walked back to the car.
It was in the headlights.
Walked back to the car to get a blanket because they just did not want to leave it at the
side of the road.
And on the way back with the blanket, it got up and looked at them and then ran off down
into the desert, into the night.
And they couldn't find it.
They said they looked and looked and looked, but they never saw it.
Oh, brother.
So anyway, there were animals like this.
Well, in the summer, I had a friend who was a police officer, and he called one night and he said, you're not working on Friday night, why don't you do a ride-along?
And I'm like, hey, great, no problem.
Ridgecrest is not really a big spot for a lot of excitement, so I thought, you know, what the heck.
So we were having dinner, and we got a call, and some woman out in Inyo Kern, once again out in Inyo Kern, She had complained about a week straight saying that there was a bear going through her trash can and she called and nobody paid any attention.
She said, I want somebody out here now.
So they called my friend and we went out there and he told me, you stay in the car.
I'm like, yeah, right.
Sure.
So I got out of the car with him.
We walked around.
She was out in Inyo Kern.
There's mobile homes.
There's not any houses, just to set the picture.
There were three rows of mobile homes that went down about a mile.
They're each on about an acre.
And down at the very end of one of these little dirt roads was a big dumpster.
And this woman was standing on the porch of her mobile home.
Her dogs were in the front yard barking at this creature.
And we went around.
We heard this grunting noise.
Go around the corner of the fence, where the bush is, and we see what we thought was a bear.
But there are no bears in the desert.
But when it turned around, I could not believe my eyes.
And my friend Darryl, just about... I just... Try me.
Give me the best description.
It was about 7 feet tall.
Darryl was about... He's been deceased for a while, but he was 6'3".
So I know This thing had to have been seven feet, about seven feet.
It was upright like a man.
It had greenish brown fur all over it.
It wasn't ape-like.
It was definitely a male, and I don't think I need to tell you how I knew that, but it smelled terrible of blood, urine, feces.
It was terrible, but it made no apparent action towards us.
It was like, oh, you know, audience went back to dumpster diving.
He pulled out a sack of Carl's Jr.
hamburger stuff and was eating.
He didn't care that we were standing there.
Yes.
The woman was standing there screaming at us, get that thing out of my garbage can.
I'm sure.
So what did you do?
So anyway, I just yelled at it.
I said, hey, I mean, When it looked at me, I swear, it looked like it had human eyes.
They didn't glow red like an animal.
It was acting kind of like a human that had been out in the forest for all of its life.
It didn't try to come at us.
It didn't scream at us.
It just grunted and was looking for food.
It was just foraging, that's all it was doing.
Then what?
It just left?
It just, the woman shot her shotgun up in the air, because she didn't want it out there anymore, and the dogs were barking, and it just lumbered off.
It didn't run screaming off into the night.
So the bottom line to this story, Kate, is you believe that Roger and his friends at China Lake...
I do.
We're conducting some kind of post-Roswell genetic research and all these weird things were showing up in the desert.
I really appreciate your story.
Yes.
May I finish off?
Yes.
Okay.
I never saw Roger again.
That was in 1977.
I ran across Roger in 1992 in San Diego.
I was down visiting relatives at a supermarket and I saw him shopping in a supermarket.
Again, I called out Roger.
He didn't turn around, so I went and tapped him on the shoulder, and he said, Oh my God, you cannot be seen talking to me.
He said, Kate, I'm supposed to be dead.
You've got to get away from me.
And I was just kind of stunned, and it's very hard to stun me, and I didn't say much, and he turned around and walked away.
In the year 2003, I hadn't seen or heard About Roger.
I mean, it's not like we exchanged Christmas cards.
No.
I received a phone call, I believe it was in August of 2003, from one of his friends.
He said he was a friend of Roger's, and that Roger had somewhat retired to his place in Connecticut, or close to there.
Okay, we're short on time now.
Roger was murdered.
He told me Roger was murdered, had been executed, He was executed kind of like mafia style in his front living room.
He didn't show up for his fishing trip in the morning and so his friend went to look for him and they found him.
He found him murdered and it never hit the papers.
He said that what he called was a sweeper team.
Black vehicles showed up and removed his body and nobody ever heard anything.
There was no obituary or anything and his friend said, He was leaving the country because he was fearing for his life.
And you swear all of this is true, Kate?
Yes, sir.
All right.
Thank you very, very much.
You have a good night.
That's Kate.
All of this material is coming from average people.
People like you and me.
Just people.
That's some story.
I don't know.
I tend to sort of buy what she said.
I think because of the way she told it.
I don't know.
That's up to you.
What do you think?
Guess what?
Here's the doctor who supplied the video that's on the front page of the Coast to Coast AM site that I talked about at the beginning of the program of The Triangle.
Doctor, welcome to the program.
Thank you, Art.
Thank you for having me on.
Your name is Dr. Mark Olson, is that correct?
Yes, sir.
Of Sonora, California, yes.
All right, so the night that I was doing the program with ABC Network all around me here, talking about triangles on the air, black triangles, you taped this?
Yes, sir, I did.
It was very interesting.
I recognize your laugh from the tape.
I was laughing because you guys were talking about black triangles and there was one right in front of me.
I mean, you really caught this sucker dead on, didn't you?
Yes, sir.
All right.
Is there anything that you saw?
I mean, the tape is self-evident.
It's just self-evident.
But is there anything that you saw?
Boy, that is so convincing.
Can you give us an idea of how far away this thing was from you?
I'd say maybe a mile, if that.
It just came right over the mountain.
The first thing it did was it came from behind the mountain and then went back down behind it again.
Then it popped back up and by that time I was ready with the camcorder going, what is that?
And as I videotaped this thing, it went straight up and then went right over my head.
It's got three distinct white lights.
Were they light?
White, rather?
They weren't really white.
They were, there were two green ones and one red one.
And as I came over my house, it was going very, very slowly.
That sounds just like what we saw.
And very slowly?
Very slowly.
And so what?
You ran inside and grabbed a video recorder?
Or a camcorder?
What happened?
Well, actually, we've had so many different sightings of aerial phenomena here.
I had the camera ready.
And the first thing I saw was a shooting star.
It was beautiful.
It went over towards the mountain, and as I followed it, With my eyes, then I saw the object bob up from behind the mountain and then bob back down.
Do you know, 99 and 9 tenths of the people that ever get to see something like this never have the presence of mind to have a video camcorder nearby.
I'm one of them.
I mean, it's just not something you do.
You don't haul around a camcorder for a once in a lifetime shot of a UFO.
God, I wish I'd had one when I saw mine, but of course I did not.
You did.
Congratulations.
Thank you, sir.
I've had that camera glued to my hand ever since May 2004 because we've had so many sightings here.
Well, you sure nailed a big one.
No question about that.
And you just, what, emailed that video in today?
Is that correct, or yesterday?
A few days ago, yes, I did.
A few days ago.
All right.
Well, anything else other than what we... Was there any sound or totally silent?
It was very, very quiet.
There was no sound whatsoever, and it flew so slowly that if it was any conventional aircraft, it would have been falling out of the sky.
That's just the way I describe it.
All right.
Listen, thank you, and thank you for coming on the air, and congratulations on doing something that 99 and 9 tenths of us can't do.
Thank you, Art.
I appreciate it.
I've been a long-time listener.
Take care.
Take care, my friend.
All right, there you have it.
You go see this video.
This is worth seeing.
This is one of those... We got some proof here.
Look at it.
See which thing.
I do say it's mighty coincidental that all of this occurred on the very night that ABC was here.
On my let's make a deal line?
You're on the air.
Let's make, oh yeah, let's make a deal.
Yeah, let's make a deal.
That's right.
I was asking for people, holding a line open for people who had made a deal with the devil.
Yes, sir.
That's you?
Yes, sir.
You made a deal with the devil?
I did.
When did you do this?
Um, it was approximately 10 years ago.
10 years ago?
Yeah.
Uh, and you were how old?
I was 24, wait, 20, I guess it was more than 10 years.
I was about 25, 6 years old.
26 years old.
And what was your condition that you were ready to make a deal?
Well, it's really stupid.
I was sort of madly in love with a girl and you know when the relationship is bad you tend to become desperate.
I needed not to be transferred across the country and I needed something to happen.
I was sort of just, I didn't know what to do and so I was just sort of kind of like asking out loud.
Were you in the military or something?
You said you transferred across country.
Were you working for a company?
I was working for a company, yes sir.
Alright.
And so I asked, I just kind of asked out loud for somebody to help me with this situation.
Yes?
Nobody in general.
I don't know why I was talking like that.
And a voice came to me and said that it could help me.
You know, I don't normally hear voices in my head, and so I thought, who is this?
I thought it was crazy, and the voice told me that it was Satan.
Well, see, that should have been an alert right there.
Well, yeah.
Satan.
But, nevertheless, curious, I suppose.
Well, yeah, it was curiosity, and... Somebody says, it-something says, I'm Satan.
And, I mean, it's hard to imagine what you responded to that.
I mean, what did you respond?
Um... I'm Satan.
And you said... I said, well, I don't want anything to do with you.
Oh?
I said, but I can help you.
I said, well, yeah, but, you know, what do you want?
Ha!
That's the right question.
He said, nothing.
Mmm, I don't know if that's the right answer.
Well, that's what he... that's what he lied to me.
Ah.
So, nothing.
Nothing.
And I said, nothing?
He said, yeah, I'll help you.
For free.
Sounds like some emails I've had, but go ahead.
Yeah, and so I denied it first, and the voice kind of persisted, and I denied it again, and then I said, well, you know, fine, if it's for you, it's for you, go ahead, do what you're going to do.
And that was the deal.
And the deal was, I mean, the help was, you will not be transferred, you get a chance to stay with your girl?
Yeah, I lose the job.
Oh.
Right.
And, uh, it wasn't quite the deal I wanted.
I didn't actually make a formal deal.
I just... It was just for general help.
Uh-huh.
And so I lost the job.
Okay, since you've made this deal with Lucifer, how's it going?
Well, uh... Well, wait.
Hold that until we get back.
I do want to find out how it's going.
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You know, the words to this song kind of remind me of how the devil would probably view his constituency.
You know, so many of you out there.
I'm sure that's exactly the way the devil thinks about it.
So, how did your deal with the devil go?
I mean, how's it gone since?
Well, it, uh...
Things were pretty good for a while.
It went kind of slow at first, but as time went on I started getting introduced to people.
I was eventually introduced to a witch who became my master and trained me.
I became quite accomplished and did different events of the occult.
Has this become a successful life for you?
No.
Because I eventually became possessed by demons and lost control of myself.
Oh.
Well, when you make a deal.
Well, no.
Likely I listened to your show.
And I heard Father Malachi Martin speaking.
Yes.
And as he spoke, I listened to his words and I realized that he was right.
That I had made a deal with the devil, the way he had said.
And that was when I decided that I would do something.
And after listening to him for three years, I looked for somebody to perform an exorcism.
And I eventually found someone in the Eastern Orthodox Church, and they were able to free me from his grasp.
They took the devil out of you?
Many devils.
Many devils.
By then you were like an old computer that didn't even know viruses existed.
That's a good way of putting it.
Hello, Art?
over you. That's a good way of putting it. And so your whole operating system got rebooted.
I see. See, I don't know if that's how it goes, though. I'm not sure that once you make
a deal with the devil or Lucifer that there's really any reboot available.
Buzz for the Rockies, you are on the air. Hello. Hello, Art.
Yes, hi, sir. I'll give you a little background before I start my story.
What is your first name?
My first name is Bill.
Bill.
Okay, Bill.
Yes, I'm a retired New York City Fire Captain.
I retired in 97.
The incident I'm going to describe happened in May of 1989.
So you got out before 9-11.
Yes, and I was a structural firefighter.
You know, retired right from the line.
I had a sound mind and a sound body.
I hear you.
So I just want to... I bring that point out.
This is not someone who's hallucinating or going for shock therapy.
Yes, sir.
Gotcha.
So what happened, Bob, I mean, Art, was my brother, who was a firefighter too, we both, our vacations sort of overlapped, and I said I would, if I could, I would meet him down in West Virginia at his trailer.
And what happened was, there's a psychological component to this.
At the time, I was reading Yes, I believe it.
People who put themselves in these mindsets tend to have experiences like you're about to describe.
Believe me, it's true.
So you had a sort of a mindset then?
Yes, and I think, when I say a psychological component, I think there's a phenomenon that
attaches itself to you, believe it or not.
I mean there's something strange about it.
I believe it.
People who put themselves in these mindsets tend to have experiences like you're about
to describe.
Believe me, it's true.
But yes, it's not hallucination.
So what happened?
I mean...
First of all, what was strange was I had a compulsion to go with this one night.
I said I had to go down there and I asked my wife to come with me.
It was raining out in a storm.
She said, you're a crazy driver.
I'm not going to go with you at night.
Do you want to wait till morning?
I'll go with you.
I said, well, I really... I was under compulsion to go.
So I just left.
And she said, don't get beamed up, Scotty.
You know, so I meet my brother down there, and after being there a couple of days, and he's with his wife, he says, at that time, in that time frame, there was a collapse of a radio telescope, 300 foot in diameter, down in Green Bank, West Virginia.
And it was in the papers at the time.
That's a big radio telescope, 300 feet in diameter.
Yes.
He says, uh, let's go down to the Green Bank and take a look at it.
So we get down there and we started heading off into the woods, having no idea, and have many antennas down there.
They're like six, seven, eight, ten stories high, some of these things.
Yes, sir.
And we're cutting through the woods and I got this big Panasonic camcorder.
At that time it was seven and a half pounds.
It had like an electronic image stabilizer system and It's about two feet long, not like the camcorders they have today.
And I'm shooting at snakes as we're going.
And we come out to this opening, and there's a pile of debris of steel I-beams, like two stories high, roped off with yellow tape, wanting to stay away.
And it's a one-story structure where some of the beams came down.
And these are steel girders that collapsed.
When they fractured, it was like a flow.
You were at the site of the collapse?
Tell us about it.
Yes, we went beyond the pavement where you weren't supposed to go, and we went in underneath the debris.
Yes, sir.
And we're looking at this antenna.
It was on two posts.
It had these... In other words, this antenna could only go north and south, and it took the rotation of the Earth from west to east.
Right.
That was the only way it could move.
Right.
And on the night of the collapse, there was no storm?
No, that was reported in the paper, it was on a calm, windless night.
So we look at one of the things, and this was no dismantling of the antenna at the time, and you're looking down at these big bolts, and you could see where each one was cut, where you could see where it started on the bolt, and cut the nuts with like a laser beam.
Every one was cut.
Like sabotaged, you know?
Yes.
And at a later date, I had talked to a woman where these radio astronomers eat in a luncheonette.
I went in there, and I asked, was there anyone working the night of that collapse?
And they brought out this elderly woman from the rear.
And she says, I was.
I said, can you tell me what went on that night?
Uh-huh.
She told me the man's name.
I won't mention it on the air because I don't know if it would... Probably better not to.
That's fine.
I guess I won't because I'm afraid that would cause some kind of problem.
That's fine.
And she said he came up and he mentioned there's something going on down at the antenna.
She said it was like in a panic and she wouldn't further elaborate.
I went into this.
This was after the incident I'm going to tell you about.
I went to the administrative building and I had learned at that date that antenna was going to be hooked up with radio telescopes all around the world.
And when they had made the connections, it was going to effectively You would have a telescope twice the diameter of the Earth.
So I think, so what happened was, looking back on it now, I think it was taken out by the extraterrestrials for whatever reason this was going to be used.
I have spoken to one of the radio telescope astronomers, and he says that they also used it at that time to track Russian submarines.
They have a dual purpose for these antennas.
Well it is true that you can put telescopes together and obtain a much larger than life picture by magnitudes as you hook them up.
That's true.
So you think something stepped in and you saw the proof.
You saw something like a laser beam that cut through these steel beams.
Well, no, I didn't see it.
You didn't see it happen?
I didn't see it happen, yes.
You saw the results of it, though?
Of it, yes.
I take it you had a camcorder with you, so you filmed some of that?
Yes, I did.
I camcordered, too.
What have you done with that film?
I still have that, but, you know, I have never been able to find... Part of the incident where I saw UFOs, the next day when we're heading back to New York City, we're in the Canaan Valley in West Virginia.
And that's a 10-hour trip.
And, uh, because of our encounters, we didn't get into, uh, the next morning at 4.30 in the morning.
We could not account for all our time.
Yet, from the excitement of, uh, the ensuing encounters we had with UFO, we had multiple encounters.
Uh, it was printed in the Mufon UFO Journal of 1990, and Dr. McAfee did an analysis on the video.
Oh, he did?
Yes, along with, uh, Other videos from Florida, the Gulf Breeze.
So you had missing time?
Yes, I wasn't even conscious of missing time because I never felt so alive and excited from what I witnessed.
You know, realizing that we're not alone in this universe.
And so you think, on the one hand, you saw what you wanted to see.
You wanted something like this to happen.
But you maintain that it was very real, nevertheless.
Yes.
In other words, I had always wished I would see UFO and never realized it.
And this was on a cloud.
This was on the day there wasn't a cloud in the sky.
So the next day, it's 930 in the morning.
We're heading back.
You know, we joked around about aliens cutting this thing down, half believe and half joking, you know.
So when we're heading back to New York City, my brother, Yes.
And as we're making a turn, the oldest tree in West Virginia was on the right.
were at work five miles outside of the town of paulson's in west virginia on
route nineteen heading north going back to new york long island yes
and uh...
as we make an attorney had uh...
the oldest tree in west virginia was on the right as we just quickly make a
right angle turn and is a range of mountains right ahead of almost like on
the forty five three angle going up
when my brother saw something come down and hover over the mountain he brings
to my attention.
He says, you see that?
He says, it doesn't look like a helicopter, and it doesn't look like a plane.
Let's pull the car over and take a look.
So, as I'm looking at this thing from arm's length, it looked like the size, an arm's length the size of a pea.
It was brown, and it seemed to be emitting something into the atmosphere, brownish, like it was spraying something three times the length of his body.
Well, I'm getting a fix on it before I get out of the car.
This thing disappears.
So I dial in my senses, I get out of the car, and my brother brings to my attention, he says, look at that contrail above us, like a J. It's like a vertical, like a J contrail.
I said, well, whatever that was, it went up into the stratosphere, you know?
So I look over his shoulder, and what's coming down out of the sky is bigger than the moon.
It's this cold, It was a UFO coming down, and clouds swirling on the circumference of it, like in a storm.
And it was so dramatic, it had this... that if you placed Jesus in it, in that luminescent disc, it would look, you know, it was... That kind of dramatic?
It was stunning to see it, visually, you know?
Yes, sir.
And I could tell it was spinning from the turning of the clouds, like a storm, right around it.
And I think I was...
Looking at the underside of it, because all of a sudden this thing appeared over trees.
It was a silver, it looked like a beehive.
Like, convoluted, like, you know, undulating.
Okay, we're kind of short on time here, so.
Okay, and so my brother had binoculars, he said he's got leading windows on his side.
What happened is, we continue on our trip, we're going into Maryland, 19.
I look to my right, I see this little P-shaped thing coming again, and all of a sudden, it increased to the size of a golf ball, and I noticed it didn't have a 3D look to it, and if you draw a circle like 5 feet in diameter, it was shimmering.
So I said to myself, this is like a projected image, a manipulated image.
So I get out of the car, I have the camcorder, I turn to my left, and I'm looking at a UFO across the rise of a VW.
It was a metallic brown.
I could see dark windows on it, and I couldn't tell if it was spinning.
That's pretty close up.
So you got this on film?
No, I didn't catch.
What happened is, when I'm looking at this object, I said the first reaction I had is, why would this thing kill me?
You know, because I knew I was looking at something from another universe, you know?
It was just like an instinctive thought, but then I felt like, Uh, a connection with it, you know, not threatened or anything.
Okay, we're going to have to go, so anything else you want to add?
Another one, after that disappeared like a luminescent disc, then as I grabbed the camera again to record it, after I got in the car, a gray one was there and right across the road, like three feet, it was hurrying two feet off the road and uh, and uh, you know, from then on, Back in New York City, we didn't have a further incidence, but later on in the year, I had helicopters hovering over the house.
Yes, sir.
Okay, but the film you got, the video you got, was examined by Bruce McAbee, you said?
Oh, that's correct.
Yes, sir.
Bruce McAbee.
And he verified the authenticity of what you did get?
He said it was not a hoax, that it was an aerial phenomenon.
You know, he can't identify it as extraterrestrial in origin.
But aerial phenomena of an unknown origin.
All right, good enough.
Well, that's the kind of thing that's going to be covered with those kind of witnesses.
I mean, that man is now a retired fireman, so... There you have it.
That's the kind of thing that's going to be covered by ABC in the coming special on the 24th.
So many stories like that.
You're on the air coast-to-coast AM with Art Bell.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
Hello.
This is Gene from Gloride, Arizona.
Yes, Gene.
Pleasure to talk to you again.
And to you.
What's up?
Well, I sent you an email and had some stories I wanted to share with you, and I don't tell very many people these stories because I just freak people out when I tell them.
Try me.
Well, this all started... I'm a fireman.
I'm retired.
I'm also a sound line, believe me.
Another fireman, all right.
Another fireman.
And back in my rookie career, I'd worked an accident where we had to transport a guy about 40 miles to the closest hospital.
And he'd been in a single car rollover, and he had coded on us.
So I did CPR on him for 40 minutes in the back of an ambulance.
Got him into the hospital, and I was exhausted.
I mean, it just... Yeah, I was about to say, 40 minutes of CPR is exhausting.
Yeah, it is.
It's a rough deal.
So the hospital crews work in him, and I'm leaned up against the wall in the ER, and I kind of saw somebody out of the corner of my eye and looked and there's a guy standing next to me and he goes, I wish they'd just leave me alone.
What?
And I said, excuse me?
I said, I just wish they would just let me go.
Oh my God.
And the doctor that was working, he looked at me and I, you can just tell he saw the same thing.
And that's when he called the code.
He says, that's it.
We can't do it anymore.
And I was freaked out.
There was a position assistant there.
Did the two of you discuss this?
How could you not?
Yes, we did.
And I am just spooked.
I'm like ready just to hit the ceiling.
I didn't want to think.
Because the guy was wearing the same clothes.
Let me ask this.
The man that you saw, was that the man you worked on?
Yeah.
Yeah, it was him.
In any way less than fully visibly human?
Was there anything ghostly about him?
No, not at all.
He looked just like anybody else.
And the clue was he was a big guy.
He was over six feet, very obese.
The clothes, he was wearing a Hawaiian shirt and white pants and sandals.
And I mean, I put two and two together and, you know, I went, the doc and I went up to the cafeteria.
This is, you know, two o'clock in the morning.
And he told me he sees people all the time, too.
My God, if that happened to me, I'd be the one needing CPR.
Absolutely.
And I was so freaked out.
I left there, and I didn't even bother cleaning myself up.
I'm still covered with those guys' blood.
And I wasn't living at home.
I had an apartment.
I went to my mom and dad's house because I was so freaked out.
Three o'clock in the morning, they answer the door.
I'm covered with blood.
They think I'm in an accident.
Sure.
And I was up all night.
I couldn't sleep for days.
And I went back and talked to the same doctor again.
He said he started seeing people in his residency.
Oh, really?
Yes.
And I wonder how many health care professionals have had this experience?
There are quite a few.
And it's kind of a taboo thing, believe me, because this happened over and over and over to me for over 23 years.
And it got to be where I could tell where somebody was going to make it and they weren't because they didn't go with us.
Because they didn't go with you?
Yeah, we'd go into a house, start CPR work on somebody.
I'd see them sitting over there in a chair or hugging around us, you know, standing around and never see them again.
So I'm sure they're not going to go with us.
They were separated and they're not back in their body.
Were there ever any people that you saw that went back?
Yes.
Yes?
Yes.
And those were the ones I knew that were going to make it.
You know, because they would wind up in the ambulance with us.
I'd see them at the emergency room.
Oh my God.
So, you see dead people?
I've seen dead people.
And it didn't happen all the time, but it happened so much, Art, that it was the norm for me.
In fact, I was on an accident that involved some teenagers.
Listen, we're coming up on a break here, so can you hold on?
Sure.
Yeah.
Yeah, he sees dead people.
All right.
He talks to them.
Oh, now, that one, that's for the books, all right?
Any other healthcare professionals out there?
Any of you get to see the people you've been working on from the high deserts in the nighttime?
I'm Art Bell, and this, of course, is Coast to Coast AM.
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See what's become of me.
Time, time, time.
See what's become of me.
While I looked around for my possibilities.
Oh I was so hard to please.
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This man, an emergency medical worker, was shot in the head.
This man, an emergency medical worker, really does see dead people.
Welcome back, sir.
Hi.
I don't know.
Your call hit me so hard, I'll remember this call forever and ever, all the rest of my life, I think.
You know, that's the reaction I get from people.
I tell them, and that's why I don't tell a lot of people, because it really kind of freaks them out.
And out of all the people I worked with, Art, at the department, there was only two other people that I saw these things too, that I know about.
First, it kind of freaks you out, and then after a while, it's part of the job.
Is it one of those things where you really do actually almost get used to it?
Yeah, you do.
Case in point, I was going to tell you about this crackstone involving some kids.
Sure.
We had two that were obviously gone when we got there in the front seat.
It was a small car.
I think it was a Volkswagen Jetta versus a Dodge van head on.
And there was a girl in the backseat.
She was conscious, broken bones.
I'm in the backseat working with her.
And there was a girl outside banging on the window, yelling and screaming.
And I'm looking at her and it's her.
And she kept saying, my sister, my sister.
And I'm like, you know, okay.
You know, I just figured maybe she was out of her body.
Need to go back in her body.
She kept saying her sister, sister.
Well, she went unconscious and we transferred her to the hospital.
She came conscious again.
She kept, you know, yelling for another girl's name.
And later I found out this was her twin sister that had died two years before in a car accident about three or four blocks away from where that had happened.
So she saw her sister.
I saw her sister, and her sister's panicking, wanting us to make sure that we're doing everything we're doing.
No wonder you couldn't figure it out.
Yeah, I was confused, and I just figured I was seeing the normal, okay, they're out of their body, they're in their body type, you know, experience, and couldn't find out it was her sister that passed on two years prior.
Sir, from seeing all of this so many times, what do you conclude about the nature of life and death?
You know, I think all the people that mostly I dealt with, I think they actually passed over.
I don't know if there's people that are roaming around.
Listening to your show has really been an eye-opener for me, and I just started listening on XM, so I don't feel like I'm so isolated and I'm a freak.
Well, you're not.
And a lot of people see these things, but most of the people that I dealt with, it was serious trauma.
It wasn't people that had died from like emphysema.
Something you knew about for a long time.
Yeah, so I think they were prepared.
I think it was the sudden shock of trauma and I think they're just like instantly kicked out of their body.
To protect them, I don't know, but I think they know that somehow they have figured it out and that's the ones that want to go ahead and pass on.
I don't know if they're still lingering around someplace.
Did these people, once the dialogue with you was done, did the operation just Disappear?
Gone.
Gone.
It's like, you know, they're there one second and gone the next.
And there were several times where I would see them at a scene.
I would see them in our ambulance.
Then I would see them at the ER.
And not only that, but I would also see other people that would, I have figured out through the years, these were relatives that were coming to take them home.
They would need us at the hospital, and these people weren't like the hysterical, grieving, oh my God, what happened, you know?
They're the ones, oh, so-and-so's here, can you tell me where they're at, or how are they, are they going to make it?
They're very calm, very congenial.
They're not the ones, most family members are just wigged out when they hit the hospital.
Well, going back to the first story you told, I mean, there must have come a moment where you and that doctor sat down and talked about the man who had just complained about being worked on for too long.
I sat down with that doctor and that PA on three different occasions, because I was just so wigged out over this whole thing.
I just couldn't sleep.
I wasn't sure if I needed a psychologist, and they assured me that they They saw him also and this was a very common occurrence for them.
Not all health workers see him.
Not everybody sees him.
But that doctor did.
He did and that's why he called the code.
Because he knew this guy wanted to give up.
I really appreciate your call sir.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Take care.
There's one for the books for sure.
And my guess is that because of that call we're going to get other health care workers calling.
But maybe there really is something to all of this.
Maybe there really is something beyond the physical life.
Well, the only and best evidence that you're liable to get for that is being told to you this morning.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
What is your first name?
My first name is Debbie.
Debbie.
Debbie, you've got a story for us, don't you?
Yes, I do.
Okay.
Fire away.
Okay, I'm a nurse and I was working midnight.
Another health care worker?
Huh?
I said another health care worker.
Oh yeah, it happens to all of us.
And I was making rounds.
It was midnight and I was making rounds.
And this gentleman was really very well.
He was supposed to go home the next morning.
And I walked into his room and he'd been sleeping all night long and he appeared to not be breathing.
So I put my right hand on his chest just to see if there was any movement there.
I looked up at the clock because just by the way he looked, I figured I was going to have to call a code.
Once I put my hand on his chest and I looked up at the clock, I couldn't move.
I became paralyzed.
You couldn't move?
I could not move.
I couldn't move at all.
I was struggling to make any kind of sound to call for help.
My right hand was on his chest.
My left arm, I could not move it from my body.
I couldn't move my feet.
I tried to turn, I tried to yell for help.
I could not move at all.
And, you know, all these things are running through my mind like I'm going to get sued, first and foremost.
Yeah, I guess.
You know, someone's going to walk by and see me just standing here in this stance, not breathing.
Yeah, so you were paralyzed.
I was paralyzed.
I could not move.
I wasn't short of breath, but I couldn't speak.
I could not move.
And my heart is just panicking and racing, and I'm stuck staring at this wall with my hand on this man's chest.
And this went on for, it seems like an eternity, but it was about three to four minutes.
You think he was dead?
I believe he was dead, yes.
I'm sure he was dead.
And then all of a sudden, he shook, and his bed shook very violently, just like, almost like an earthquake had affected that bed.
It just shook very violently.
He sat straight up and grabbed my right hand, the one that was on his chest.
Wonderful.
And he said, Debbie, where was I when you walked in the room?
And I said, you were right here in bed.
Yes.
And he said, no, no, I wasn't.
I was over by the window, which is where I started looking.
He said, I was over by the window yelling for you.
Hold on to me.
I don't want to go.
I'm not ready.
Hold on to me.
You were looking right at me.
He held on to me.
And you kept me here.
And I'm like, OK.
And then his roommate heard all the noise from the bed and said, what are you guys doing over there?
And so that's my story.
Well, that's one whale of a story.
Oh, it's awful.
The only time anything like that ever happened to you as a nurse then?
Yes.
I didn't tell anybody for a long time because it was very weird.
It still kind of gives me Makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck.
But, you know, it's kind of weird to be part of somebody else's, I don't know, near-death or out-of-body experience, or both, because he was floating above the room and could see me.
And him.
I wonder what purpose you really served.
What did you do when you had your hand on his chest?
I don't know.
He felt I was holding him down, but I don't know.
Or holding him in.
Holding him in.
He said he was just yelling.
Okay.
Thank you very, very much for the call.
There's another health care worker for you.
Yeah, I'll remember these for a while.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
Art?
Yes.
I was calling about the other moment.
A lady called in about strange creatures she had seen out in the desert.
Absolutely, yes.
She described them in quite some gruesome detail.
Apparently, genetic experiments of some sort.
Well, my brother was on the clean-up crew that was charged with picking those up.
Oh, really?
Yes.
Um, your brother was on the clean-up crew.
What is it your brother told you?
He told me that there are some very strange and very disgusting genetic mutations that have escaped from research labs all over the U.S.
He said they're just horrifying.
You know, I don't like this at all.
I live out in the desert, as you well know.
I don't want to run into anything like that, and hopefully I won't.
Was your brother successful?
Did they clean up all of the...
Or are there still more of them roaming out in the desert?
They had about a 20% success rate.
Wonderful.
So that means 80% of them are out there still all over the country.
Maybe that accounts for an awful lot of what people have been seeing.
These strange creatures that people swear they see.
Deformed, weird creatures.
I'm fairly sure they do.
The rabbit in particular, with the head coming out of its neck.
Yeah.
I've seen pictures of those, and I don't know the reason for it, but it's just some foul-up is what it is.
Will your brother talk?
Well, right now he's doing some kind of deal.
He's on the job.
He's on the job, but I mean, is he somebody who could be talked into spilling his guts?
Well, he does every so often on some chat rooms with some of my friends.
Chat rooms, huh?
Well, I'll tell you what.
You have a talk with your brother.
Tell him I want to talk to him.
All right.
And if he's willing to talk, we'll get him on the air.
How's that?
All right.
All right?
Thank you very, very much for the call, and take care.
So there's something, many somethings out there scurrying about the desert.
Great.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
Turn your radio off, please, if it's on.
Good.
What is your first name?
Laura.
Laura.
Okay, Laura, you've got a bit of a story for us, huh?
Correct.
Fire away.
All right.
Well, it was in the spring of 74.
My husband and I and my three-year-old daughter We're coming home from visiting family on the farm.
We were on a pretty rural road.
It's outside of Chicago, Illinois.
It's Harlem and Route 30.
Back then it was really rural.
Not so much anymore.
But we were at a stoplight heading north on Harlem.
We had got the light.
We were just waiting to go and the light turned green.
And my husband, you know, steps on the gas and we're moving forward.
And then, out of nowhere, just to the left of us, this car is, you know, going through the red light.
And I'm looking at the car, and I know we're going to be hit.
He was that close.
I could see his face, you know, through the windshield, and I could see that he didn't have any passengers through our car door.
Where my husband was sitting, you could just see, we were going to be hit.
Yeah, there's that instant of knowing, just before.
There was this, you know, it was just, you know he was going to hit us.
And I know I turned, because my daughter was very precious, and I just turned to her, and I said, oh God, please set her, you know, don't let her get hurt.
And I turned back, and everything got very watery again.
It was like I was looking through water.
And the car went through us.
I could see his interior.
I could see him.
You know, I've heard these kinds of stories before that all of a sudden the vehicle just, instead of hitting, passes through like it wasn't the right time or something for this to happen.
And so it doesn't happen.
Instead, it passes through.
And you say you could see him and his interior as it passed through?
Yes.
And the other thing is, I felt our front end kind of lift, like, from the force of the impending collision.
Yes.
You know, these are things that, you know, 30 years later let you know that, you know, it really did occur, because, you know, they were just so unusual.
So the next thing I know is I'm looking at his license plate, you know, through the window on the passenger side, and he's still speeding.
He didn't hit his brake until after he was I guess what you'd say, he hit us.
Or should have hit you.
In other words, he braked after he passed through you.
Right.
He didn't have any reaction to it.
He hit it, braked, and he stopped somewhere down the road.
People came running up to us, other cars, and they're screaming, we saw you get hit!
We saw you get hit!
And my husband and I, we were just totally freaked out.
We were just so scared.
And people, you know, they ran up to us and they're looking and they realized we're not damaged, we're not hit.
They realized something was wrong.
You know, we weren't, you know, smeared all over the road.
Which you probably should have been.
And so, not only did you see this happen, but there were other witnesses who saw what should have happened.
Exactly.
Did any of the witnesses describe The crash that didn't happen or the meshing of the vehicles in the way you described.
Did they see it that way or how did they see it?
Well, I think I can remember two things very distinctly.
One was this one man that came up to us and he was like literally howling.
I saw him hit you.
I saw him hit you.
And then he just gets this really stunned look like the realization hit him.
And he's just like, how?
Why?
You know, he just was like, Standing back and other people are standing back and I think it was like collectively we kind of realized something very strange happened and um you know people just were looking at us like we were terribly strange and at the guy down you know he was a bit farther down the road the one who had should have hit us or did hit us and he got out of his car and he just was looking stunned and got in his car and drove off.
What do you think happened?
It's been 30 years and I haven't thought of it greatly a lot.
In fact, only in the last two years I've heard it twice, other stories like mine and yours.
I have had other stories like that, yes.
And I was stunned that, you know, I mean, I was just so surprised other people had had it.
It was like... Well, what I'm asking you, though, is do you think that some glitch in time happen do you think it was something that somehow got twisted out of what was supposed to happen and therefore it didn't or do you see what I'm getting at I sometimes feel it's an intervention of some sort I don't know if you want to say a miracle or or you know just well a person of a religious mindset certainly would say a miracle I I'm sure they would but see I'm not really comfortable with saying just strictly miracle because I'm not that terribly religious
But I do know I've had that watery, seeing watery, looking through water, and other things have occurred.
And so I know that this is something that happens to me once in a while.
And all I can tell you is that we should have died.
We didn't.
There were people who saw it.
I know my husband and I, we couldn't even drive for a good deal of time.
We managed to make it.
across the intersection because we had stopped literally, you know, in the middle of the intersection and
we pulled over and I know that we were just both sitting there. He couldn't drive anymore.
No, listen, I understand that.
I've had, you know, in my day, a few accidents, and after an accident, you are, for a while, at the very least, you're a very different kind of driver.
You've had a shock, and so you drive very differently, but if something like what you just described happened, I could understand you wouldn't drive at all.
Thank you very, very much.
I'm going to pause here.
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And then there was a crash in the night.
Alright, let's go back to our Let's Make a Deal line.
You're on the air, Coast to Coast AM, on a very early Monday morning.
How are you doing?
Good.
How are you?
I'm all right, sir.
What is your first name only?
Charles.
Charles.
Okay.
It doesn't have to be a real one, necessarily.
Charles, you made a deal with the devil?
I'm sorry?
You made a deal with the devil, Charles?
I did in resident school.
In resident school?
Yes, sir.
You were studying to become a doctor?
Yes, I was.
And what caused you?
It's very important, I guess, to understand what would cause a person to make a deal with the devil.
I didn't realize I was going to make a deal.
I didn't try.
What was going on was I was in school, trying to get through my grades and having issues.
Staying up late at night and doing everything I could to study.
Before I knew it, something weird just happened.
I can't even put it into words.
I feel as though I must have made a deal with the devil.
Your grades improved?
They did.
And this was how long ago now?
About three years ago.
About three years ago.
How's it gone since?
Well, it went well for a while.
I graduated, but I'm no longer a doctor.
You're no longer a doctor?
I was able to graduate and become a doctor, and then it just kind of led me down a different path, and now I'm actually thinking about going to go study law.
In fact, I actually have a fellow that was in residence school with me, who I don't believe had anything like this happen to him.
Do you have any concern at all for when the loan is called, so to speak?
I'm sorry?
Not really, no.
Do you have any concern at all for the moment when the loan is called, so to speak?
Not now.
Not really, no.
Not now.
I feel as though actually I have nothing to worry about.
Well, so you're comfortable with the deal you made and you feel as though it's going
okay and you don't worry about final payment?
I don't, not now.
Just being kind of young.
I'm 29.
I don't really feel as though I have anything going.
Well, Charles, in years, I tell you, Charles, the years fly by, buddy.
They sure do.
Alright, you have a good night.
Made a deal with the devil.
Not worried at all because, well, he's only 29.
He's going to be a lawyer.
Maybe that's the deal called.
Good morning.
You're on Coast to Coast AM.
Hi.
Hi there.
What's your first name?
Kimberly.
Kimberly.
Hi.
Kimberly, I think you have a story about... I love stories about holes.
We had a big, long Mel's Hole saga here on the program.
I know.
When I was listening last night, you were asking for stories.
I wonder if, um, I would like to hear about my hole, and I thought, well, don't be ridiculous.
Oh, no, I like stories about holes.
Believe me, I do.
So, uh, where, where, pray tell, is the hole in your life?
Well, I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba, up in the northern latitudes.
And my ancestry, on my father's side, goes back to the 1700s.
He came from England.
A single man.
He went to the colonies back then so you could own land and, you know, have a future.
Especially if you weren't the first son.
So he came out.
He made his way out to the prairies.
And back in the 1700s, it was called Lower Fort Gary.
And that's what became later on Winnipeg.
And he served at the fort and he went on many expeditions up into the North Country.
And around here at that time, the natives were friendly.
It wasn't a lot like a warlike people.
They were nomadic.
And my grandfather, great, I don't know how many great times he was my grandfather, met them.
And of course, you'd hear lots of legends and stories.
And he, traveling up further north, he had heard of an opening in the ground.
Where the natives said it was where the earth spirits dwelt and that they would come out at times and they would hear things and very very afraid too.
I think at times men that wanted to say that they were brave or even children you know would spend the night there as young youngsters.
So my grandfather Got one of the men to show him this.
Not going into any other detail, for whatever reason, he decided to stake some property that encompassed that area.
He also owned a lot of land, which became later Winnipeg.
But through our heritage, the land was sold off.
My father's family did spread out across the country and some are in the states now.
So how did you get to this whole... Well, it came down through inheritance.
My father's... We stayed in Manitoba, like myself.
My brother ended up going out east.
My father was born in Manitoba, so we stayed here.
So through inheritance.
There was just only about 80 acres left of the land.
So when did you first go to this place?
Well, as a youngster we had heard a lot of stories, but we weren't allowed.
We would go camping and we were shown where like the original homestead was.
It was by then and now it's needing to see some foundation and it's very bushy.
One thing about Manitoba... Could you return to this place if you had to?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, easily.
Because, um... Well... Alright, go ahead and describe, if you would, the hole we're talking about here.
Okay.
I haven't seen it for a few years, but what I remember as a child, when my brother and I would... We were allowed, by the time we were old enough, I mean, when you were young, you were not allowed to go near the thing.
So we were about maybe 13 or 14 then.
We were supposedly supposed to be smart enough, you know, not to do anything stupid.
I thought a couple years ago, but it's about probably closer to 30 feet.
It's very round.
30 foot round hole.
Yeah, and it's over the years the family has just let it get bushy.
I don't know if you can see it from here.
I don't know.
I mean, that's that's a fair size hole.
The walls are I had said to you on the phone earlier, like a marble, and my daughter was listening, and she said, Mom, you don't know that marble, and I said, well, yeah, I know, but the only way I could describe it... It was like marble.
Yeah, it was like a creamy color.
And for an old... I don't know how old... That implies very smooth.
You're saying it was very smooth?
Smooth.
Just like... Just marble-like smoothness all the way around a 30-foot hole.
Is there any...
And I remember as a youngster, like, then the grass and the bush had grown right to the edge.
And you'd look down and you'd see the pink color as far as you could see.
And so I remember the kids thinking, well, you know how you bang on things with rocks and, you know, you try and gouge out stuff?
Yes.
You can't do that with this.
In fact, like, the rock would, like, break.
And I remember my brother and I would be digging around it and say, well, let's see how thick If this is a wall, or is it like some part of the rock?
That's what a kid would do, yeah.
Yeah, but in Manitoba, you do get, um, rocks aren't like green colored.
How far back did you get?
It was about two feet thick.
So then we figure out where the edge came to after pulling the dirt and the solid away, and then we started going down.
Like, you know what I mean?
On the other side, the outside part of the hole?
Yes.
The rim?
Yes.
And, well, as kids you got tired pretty fast of digging deep.
It was like that on both sides.
Almost like, I guess you'd call it a sewer pipe going down.
But it was made out of this.
And you threw things into it, like all kids would, right?
Oh, yeah.
Like, each summer you would go and you'd think, well, what can we take this time?
You know, a flashlight, a rope.
And one time my brother was thinking, well, You know, tie me to the rope and lower me down.
Huh!
And he's the older one, eh?
And I go, are you nuts?
Like, no way!
Because you hear scary stories as a youth that, um... Well, I know!
Of the poor little girl who was lowered into the hole.
Like, he had, I don't know, 100 feet of rope and he's going to tie it to the tree.
I said, no, you know.
Did you actually throw flashlights in there?
Yes.
Lit flashlights?
And did you hear them bang on the bottom?
Or...
No, no.
And we would get big things like trunks and trees and just anything we could carry.
And throw them in.
The funny, well, there was a lot of funny things about, plus the stories, but as I was telling you earlier that about within maybe 50 yards of the hole, a circumference, there was, it was all bush, but it was quiet.
You couldn't hear any birds.
You couldn't hear any squirrels.
No nature.
No nature, right?
Not even bugs.
It was like you crossed this invisible line.
Really creepy.
Really cool.
Now, already, if you had to go back to this hole today, you could do it?
Oh yeah.
It's a walk-in, okay?
You know what you call a walk-in?
Because there's no roads Like you can get to the edge of the property.
It's a how-far walk-in.
You're 80 acres.
You're probably looking an hour walk-in.
Is it an hour walk-in?
That's a pretty good walk-in.
Is this something still owned by your family?
Oh, yes.
And a funny part is that a lot of the cousins now, they think it's a myth because, well, because you let the story go.
And you want to keep it private.
And I know a couple of times when I was a youngster, finding mutilated animals, like... Near the hole?
Outside the circumference of the quiet leg zone, like rabbits.
Oh, out of the zone where there was no nature, so just far enough.
Just at the edge there, you'd find maybe a rabbit, but the funny thing was, like it would have its organs placed out.
Oh.
One night we were really, I guess we were brave, I don't know.
We were so used to it that we slept near it.
And because even the natives said they could hear the earth spirits sing.
And I will always remember this, but you could hear, I don't know if it was a humming or just a very, almost you couldn't hear but you could feel it.
A machine-like noise?
Yeah, like a...
Maybe mechanical?
I don't know.
You could feel it in your body, even, vibrating.
My ancestors had always said they'd see lights up in the sky sometimes.
Not ships, I don't know, but they were dots of light.
Back then, too, like a hundred years ago, you didn't think of things moving around.
They just called them lights.
Lights in space!
I never saw those myself.
But I have heard the noise.
I've seen the dead animals.
I have to ask this.
Even a child, what would possess a child to sleep inside the no nature area or near the rim Sounds like a rim, the way you described it, of this hole in the ground where there'd been mutilated animals.
I mean, that would be just too scary.
How would you as a kid get up enough guts to do that?
A lot of it was I had a lot of cousins.
And a lot of it was you did things on a dare.
I don't remember lasting the whole night.
I wouldn't even be lasting a half an hour.
No, and of course, I was in your sister and I could do anything my brother could do.
I do remember laying awake, shaking.
You know?
Just everybody.
That sounds more like it, yes.
Like, never sane I was.
Well, I've been always fascinated by holes, and you have an absolutely fascinating one, and you say you can get to it.
If I were to come to you privately, I have your information here, and wish to take a trip to this hole, would that be possible?
Well, I'd have to talk to the family, you know?
Because it is so private.
Some things that you might be interested in over the years, very rarely, have been passed through down the family, are sometimes you would find things left at the edge.
You would find what?
Well, I don't know if you'd call them artifacts, or one time, we still have it in the family, it was like a pyramid, and it was like Ebony, like solid ebony, smooth, and it was left near the rim, and it wasn't left standing up like a pyramid, it was left on its side.
And just, just strange things, like, um, metallic, the pieces of this, little metallic things, and I don't know if people were trying to communicate with us, or if it was, I don't know.
Tell you what.
You talk to your family.
I'll get back in touch with you.
All right?
You take care.
And I don't know what it is.
I guess ever since Mel's Hole, they've held a certain fascination for me.
And I guess a lot of other people, too, because there's been so much communication about it.
But these holes seem to have... Well, you heard her.
No nature and no living things in a certain radius.
Mutilated animals outside it.
A sort of smooth, marble-like, un-nature-like appearance.
You're on the air, Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
Good morning.
Good morning, Art.
Thank you for taking my call.
You're very welcome.
What is your first name?
My name is Jeannie.
Jeannie, okay.
Um, when my son Andrew was six years old, um, on December 25th in 1996, um, he was on his way to Christmas Mass with his grandmother, um, when a young driver who ran a red light, um, struck the vehicle and, um, deemed, um, Andrew quadriplegic on the ventilator with no movement below his jaw.
Oh my.
Um, so very similar to, um, The injury that Christopher Reeves had sustained.
Yes.
The paramedic reports that were obtained later stated that when they arrived on the scene a few minutes after the accident, Andrew had no pulse, no blood pressure, and no respiration.
He was dead.
They did in fact start CPR, even though they didn't know, don't know actually what was going to happen, and life flight was called.
They figured that Andrew was without oxygen for approximately four minutes.
But he sustained no brain injury whatsoever.
That's not possible.
This is amazing.
After he was life-flighted to the trauma center, the docs kept him sedated on a special bed to prevent further spinal cord involvement.
Of course.
The neurosurgeon stated that Andrew had sustained a life-threatening injury just millimeters away from his brain stem.
The doctors informed me that the outlook for him was very grim, and if he did live, he would never talk.
due to the placement of an endotracheal tube and stated that he would never be able to eat and would be confined to a bed and not be able to attend school and he would be homebound.
That's a pretty grim prognosis.
Very, very, very grim.
The firefighters and paramedics were there at the hospital every single day of our 60-day hospital stay until we went to another city to go to rehab.
Andrew started calling his visitors his angels.
And also, his grade school had a fundraiser for us, and they sold Andrew's Angels cookbooks.
And so what happened with him?
I mean, with such a grim prognosis?
Well, several weeks later, we tried to put the story together for Andrew in six-year-old terms.
He, at that time, was able to talk, even though he had an endotracheal tube placed, and he argued with me.
Um, and said that no mom, that he did not ride in the helicopter.
He rode over it.
Um, he said that he could see himself as he looked down and he said that he saw a light and he saw God and the angels and he saw his dad.
Well, his dad had died in a car accident when I was six weeks pregnant with Andrew.
Um, Andrew never saw his dad.
I asked him how he knew who his daddy was and who the angels were.
And he looked at me and said, mom, they're wearing name tags.
Like that was something that everyone should know.
He described God as a very old man with a long beard and long white dress on, and he told me that his daddy told him to come back to Earth because his mommy still needed him.
A few hours after the accident, I questioned why the accident had to happen on Christmas Day, and someone told me that Andrew was a Christmas miracle for that he was still with us.
Andrew has a very brave spirit, and I feel that that's because he's seen the other side and he's not scared anymore.
That's what they all say.
Sorry for the cliché, but I mean that is what they all say.
You're not afraid of death anymore.
All right, we gotta hold it there.
That's Matthew.
And, uh, she's saying it's a miracle.
Right?
If only you believed, like I believe, like I believe, we'd get by.
If only you believed, if only you believed, we'd get by.
If only you believed, if only you believed, we'd get by.
move to the deeper bay. So we're making love, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. There's really nothing we can't do. You
know it's good enough.
I'm gonna let her heart in. Never a day, never a heart, a tear. All of the way, I'm gonna keep her at night. Such a
sin, he starts me over. Can I get him?
I'm gonna let her heart in. Never a day, never a heart, a tear. All of the way, I'm gonna keep her at night. Such a
sin, he starts me over. Can I get him?
I'm gonna let her heart in. I'm gonna let her heart in. Tear it up, heart in, tear it up, all the way.
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I'm not so sure I'll be sleeping well tonight.
I don't know about you, but this really has been something.
More of it in a moment.
Coast to Coast Reminding you, keeping a line open this strange morning
for those of you who have actually made a pact with the devil.
We want to know how the pact is coming, and we want to know how you came and why you came to ask for that pact in the first place.
So I'm holding a line open for that all by itself, and everybody else should call some other number.
That number is area code 775.
727-1222, if you made a deal.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Good morning, Mr. Bell.
It's a pleasure to talk to you.
And to you.
What is your first name?
My first name is Bill.
OK, Bill.
And I'm calling from Dallas, listening to KLIS.
Of course, a mighty cliff.
And we were talking to the doctor earlier.
He kept asking, was he worried about payback?
I think he told you that he was going to become a lawyer.
Yeah, he did.
He said he was going to become a lawyer.
That's exactly right.
Studying for medical school.
So that was the payback.
Yeah, it kind of struck me the same way, too.
Well, I don't know if this was an incredible hoax or what exactly happened, but this goes back to 1991.
And I'm an attorney.
I had an appointment to write a will.
A lady comes in, an elderly lady, just the sweetest could be.
She was like everyone's grandmother.
So you do will and probate work?
I do.
It's not my primary work, but... At least some of it.
And if somebody comes to you for something like that, I guess you... Yeah, if it's not real complex with a lot of testamentary wills and testamentary trust and things like that.
I used to be quite like that.
But anyway, this lady came in, she had an appointment, that she had never ridden a wheel before, and that she was going on a trip, and that she had never flown, and she thought it would be a good idea to ride a wheel, which is pretty common.
Sure.
And so she told me that her husband had died several years before, really didn't have a very big estate, had a house and a car and a little bit of savings, and she listed her My oldest son is an executor and basically left the estate equally to her children.
I know nothing about it.
So anyway, it took a couple of days to do the will and she said she was in a hurry because she was going on a trip.
She came back in and in Texas you have to have at least two witnesses to do a will.
So the paralegal and the secretary came in with a notary and she executed it.
Oh, I asked her some questions about being of sound mind.
She was just real bubbly.
She was just as nice and sweet as could be.
I kind of liked her.
Anyway, I didn't think anything about it.
Gave her the original will and put it in a file.
And then several months later, I got a call from another attorney and said he was representing this estate.
And I said, oh, did she pass away?
Because I remembered her.
And he said, yeah, I said, but we're having a real problem with your will.
And I said, well, what's the problem with it?
And he said, well, you executed it three days after she died.
Oh my God!
You're sure about the date that you put on the will?
was incredible hope movement not a couple you're sure about the date
that you've got a little bit of uh... we haven't you have a notary and and
corporate appointment
and uh...
pretty well-documented well uh...
online uh... so
i'm curious how this uh...
as as time went on and it is ever reach a courtroom for example uh...
Well, the estate did, and it did.
In fact, I had to go talk to the judge about it, because really, they thought I'd made an error, or it was a bogus will.
Basically, I talked to the probate judge and just told him this lady came in, and I claimed that this is who she was.
Oh, gosh.
Quite frankly, she really didn't need a will because it wasn't very complex, so they didn't really have to do an estate.
I think they actually transferred the property by being... Well, now I'm curious, now, the lady, the lady who had appeared to you, sir, surely, surely as time went on, you were able to get a description of this lady who had died.
Oh, yes, I have, and it matched perfectly.
Even the demeanor, I mean, you know, because I described how she acted, and I said, well, you know, that sure seemed like her.
Oh, brother!
And, of course, I never saw her again.
So, like I said, at first I thought someone had played an incredible joke on me.
But I don't think it was.
I don't know.
It's hard to say.
The judge, did he have fun with you on this one?
Well, actually, he said he'd had it happen before.
Oh!
I'll tell you.
Boy, you get on this program and ask for stories and you do not get disappointed.
Thank you very, very much.
Okay, thank you.
Take care.
Alright, so there's an attorney who did a will for a lady who strolled into his office.
The trouble was she had died three days earlier.
God!
The evidence that piles up about physical death All these things that we don't understand about that moment of death and that time which comes after, incredible stuff.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air, hello.
Yeah, good evening Art, this is Beach calling you from Anchorage, Alaska.
Oh, how you doing buddy?
Anchorage, I was once there for three years.
That's right, I saw you there if you remember.
At K-E-N-I.
That's right, the blowtorch.
Yes sir.
Yeah, anyway, I wanted to relate something about a story that One of your earlier callers called in about, she was I believe from Central California, and talking about running into this bear-like creature with green fur.
That's right.
That's right.
Well, that jogs my memory.
My grandfather grew up in a town that was about, oh, I'd say 30 to 35 miles north of Bakersfield, California.
A little town called Taft.
You're kidding.
No, I'm serious.
Out there in the middle of the oil fields.
Yes.
And he was the head of the water company there.
And the problem with that whole area was that when they tried to drill for water there, they either hit oil, or the water was so nasty it was undrinkable.
So what they ended up having to do is go about 60 miles, sort of northeast towards the mountains, into the middle of this dry lake bed and drill a whole bunch of wells.
Yes.
Okay, that was what we called Pump Station 1.
Alright, so this is, oh, 1960-61 is the latest.
I remember one night, During the summer I was down there with my grandfather, and I used to ride with him, I used to go work with him, you know, did the whole thing, and we were heading out towards Pump Station 1, and in those days, there was just nothing out there.
This was before Highway 5 was built or anything.
Right.
Okay, so we're going up the main highway, we went through the little towns of Wasco and Shafter, that was Pump Station 2, and you could see Pump Station 1 out in the middle of nowhere out there for miles.
Sure.
We turned off the main highway heading towards the pump station and we're probably, it's about a 20 mile road I'd say, and we're about halfway and all of a sudden the same creature stepped right in the middle of the road in front of us.
By description?
By description it looked a lot like I would describe a bear except it had green fur.
Bright green.
Bright green fur.
Bright green fur.
Not normal in nature, as far as I know.
Yeah, you know, I was a kid, so I really didn't know any better.
And I remember my grandfather kind of swore, which is something that he never did in his life.
And he basically slowed down, and the thing crossed the road, and we ended up going up the pump station.
I asked him, what was that?
And he says, oh, that's the boogie man for sure.
And he says, and it likes to play with my pipes.
Huh.
Yeah.
And I mean, I actually saw this thing.
Well, on top of that, I don't remember the exact name of this particular dry lake.
I don't have a USGS map in front of me, but it's about 75 miles northeast of Bakersfield.
Anyway, the other thing I used to do when I was a kid was about a quarter of a mile from the house out there in the oil fields, I used to climb this old wooden oil derrick.
And I would watch what my grandmother used to call the angel lights up in the same direction.
Yes.
And these were like yellow and purple lights.
Yeah, that's kind of like the Marfa lights, actually.
Like the Marfa lights.
Yeah, and they would kind of circle around this whole area up where this pump station was, and later on come to find out that there's just all kinds of stories that a lot of the workers told about strange things happening up there.
And I just wonder, is there not a correlation between these dry lake beds It's a new AFO activity.
Yeah, it's a very good question.
Thank you for the story.
Apparently a lot going on in this American Southwest desert.
And perhaps earlier parts of California.
Fascinating.
You're on the air, Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
Good morning.
Yeah, hi.
I remember that lady that the nurse was talking about, the gentleman that wasn't breathing?
The lady who put her hand on his chest?
Yes.
I was on medication about two years ago and it was for back pain.
Now I was going up the stairs and I fell down and my wife came downstairs.
She looked at me.
She put her hand on my chest.
I wasn't breathing.
I turned purple and then when she put her hand on my heart she said my heart wasn't beating.
The neighbor next door ran over.
When he picked me up I started breathing again.
This is a matter of four minutes.
Four minutes?
Yeah.
Well, you understand that in most of the world we know about, four minutes would, I think, mean that you would be without much of a functioning brain left.
Yeah.
And you know what?
I felt like I was floating.
And then when I told my doctor about it, he looked at my medication.
He goes, oh, he says, you're allergic to codeine.
Well, that makes two of us, my friend.
I am too.
And I thought, you know, now I'm scared to take any, like, I can't take aspirin or anything, because I had a bad disc in my back, eh?
I'm calling from Dryden, Ontario, in Canada.
I would have guessed.
So, uh, I bake at night, and, uh, I listened to your show.
You've got a great show, Art.
Thank you very much, and, uh, take care.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
Art, this is Georgia.
Georgia, how you doing?
Hi, I'm calling from Seattle area.
Oh, yes.
Yes.
How are you?
Fine.
I'm enjoying the show as always.
I wanted to state something to you.
I feel that I have gotten guidance that in six past lifetimes I have compromised myself with the devil.
And in this lifetime I am a healer and I have been trying to relieve myself of karma.
I'm a Buddhist.
So you're trying to tell me you made deals with the devil in past lifetimes, but not this one?
Not this time.
I see.
Thank goodness.
And I am on a path of redeeming myself in this life.
Wait a minute.
Just a moment now.
You said that you believe you have lived many times, up to a half-dozen times.
Oh, many more than that.
Well, okay.
But I've compromised myself in a half-dozen.
Yes, clearly I got that part.
So here's what I'm worried about.
If you believe in many lives, as so many people do, and you believe that you've made deals with the devil in all those past lives, then, karmically, well, I just don't know about this current lifetime.
Yes, in six lifetimes I have.
And in this lifetime, I am on a path... You've cleaned up.
But my point is, karmically, having made so many deals in past lifetimes, isn't it overwhelming that something's going to happen to you in this one?
No.
Actually, you can go ahead and work against that karma.
And that's what I'm doing in this lifetime.
by trying to help myself and help others and work with sentient beings.
I am reducing the karma from past and that's why we're all here.
We have karma and so we're locked here until we can relieve ourselves of that karma.
And I was given a guidance this evening and that's the reason why I'm calling.
There's something that people can say.
They have to say it four times and Who they would say it to is in their own belief system.
They would say to whoever represents, in their own belief system, God.
They would say, in my belief system, I would say Buddhachitta.
What are the words?
It would be for a person that says God.
They would say, God, please forgive me for the lives in which I compromised myself.
And they would say that four times to develop a protocol.
And to take, uh, I've got it, uh, to take that away.
All right.
Well, that wasn't exactly what I was looking for.
What I'm actually looking for is people who have made deals in this lifetime with the devil.
I know there's a lot of you out there.
Father Martin told me there were.
He told me that in fact when he passed them on the street, he recognized them.
It was easy to tell.
They had made perfect deals with the devil.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yeah, so I'm going to tell you what the real story is, Mr. Bell.
Oh, good lord.
It is how you continue to gloss over the real news with all this nonsense about satanic rites I do believe people do this.
I do believe people do this.
making deals with the devil you know i believe it you know i don't know all people don't believe it i do
believe people do it i do believe people do it and i'm gonna tell you what i
believe also i believe
that you and your friends are making deals with the devil that is the activist judges
that are that are throwing out the case against pornographers we're trying to
to destroy that are trying to destroy america don't people all have made deals with the devil
because the pornography industry there is not enough people out there
And this great nation of ours that want to consume this kind of product to even have an industry to have.
How can you believe that judges have made deals with the devil?
Why don't you instead believe that these judges have simply looked at the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and the First Amendment... Hey, wig out, take a deep breath.
What about the First Amendment?
Maybe the judges haven't made deals with the devil at all.
They're just recognizing there is a person...
The First Amendment applies to everybody, Beanhead!
No!
It does not!
And in fact, the First Amendment has been completely mistranslated!
It was not meant for people to be able to make the kind of filth that we are seeing pumped out of Hollywood, that sewer of Los Angeles.
And if people want to know why God is punishing the world, It is because, and God is punishing America, it is just like Pat Robertson said, it is because of the pornographers, the homosexuals, and the degenerates!
And what do you think is going to happen to the pornographers when they die?
Well, I can't wait!
Because I'm going to be able to tell them, I told you so, because they are going to go to hell, Mr. Bell.
Think so, huh?
I know it.
A steamy pit of whatever.
The bombing pit of sewage is where they're going!
Yes.
You know that!
That's a very special place for people like you and your listeners and pornographers.
That may be their future, indeed.
Mr. Bell, if you let me just get one word in, when I call, I can never, you never let me speak!
Speak!
Alright, what I want to say is that America must, we must stand up against The gay marriage.
We must stand up against the pornography.
I want to know, how is gay marriage going to hurt you?
It is attempting to subvert the American family unit.
It is attempting to depopulate the American continent.
Depopulate the continent?
Yes, with these homosexuals running around spreading the disease.
But even if it's 10 or 15 percent of the population and they were to marry and not reproduce, Then you might get the same effect, because they wouldn't reproduce.
But their agenda is not simply to allow the 10 or 15 percent.
That is an overestimated and inflated number, by the way.
They want to convert!
That is their agenda!
Conversion!
Then why are you worried about it?
If it's such a low number, then why are you concerned?
Because, have you seen these programs on television?
On our television, on our public galleries?
Which one?
The queer guys.
With their eyes on the straight guys.
And they're trying to turn them into homosexuals.
This is a part of the New World Order.
They are trying to homosexualize our society.
And I will not have it!
Well, you may not have it, but it's happening anyway.
Those shows are on the air.
And they're being generally wide accepted.
No, they're not widely accepted.
All across America!
They're being accepted all across America.
Actually, the ratings are very good for that kind of thing.
No, they aren't.
Yes, they are.
Yes, they are.
They're very good.
That's why they're on there.
The New World Bankers and the New World Order.
People control the ratings.
No, the liars control the ratings.
Say goodbye.
He said, it's not who counts, it's who counts the vote.
Goodbye.
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Black velvet and that little boy's smile Black velvet
I never dreamed that I'd meet somebody like you I never dreamed that I'd lose somebody like you
No, I don't wanna fall in love No, I don't wanna fall in love
With you What a wicked game to play
To make me feel this way What a wicked thing to do
To let me dream of you What a wicked thing to say
You never felt this way What a wicked thing to do
To make me dream of you And I don't want to fall in love
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First time caller line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
I'm pretty good.
Probably better than somebody who would call the I made a deal with the devil line.
Well, I don't know if I made a deal.
I made an offer.
You made an offer?
Or you were given an offer?
No, I made an offer.
You made an offer?
Yeah.
So, what was your offer?
You called out and said, I've been thinking since I'm tired of God not doing anything in my life.
I'm 29.
I've never dated.
And say, you know what?
If God's not going to help me, maybe the devil will.
Yeah, that's exactly, exactly how it happens.
Yeah.
And when you did this, did anything happen?
No.
Nothing, huh?
Nothing's happened yet.
Your calls for the devil have rung as hollow as for God.
Right.
What are you going to do?
You know, suppose, just suppose that you hang up from me.
Uh-huh.
And it makes an appearance and says, well, OK, I heard you now.
You are on national radio.
Uh-huh.
So I'm here.
I'm ready to make the deal.
What do you want?
I'm not sure.
Oh, yes you are, or you wouldn't have asked.
True.
So what is it you want?
I want a boyfriend.
You want a boyfriend?
Yeah.
And if you got a boyfriend, you would be willing to what?
You'd be willing to assign your soul to me later?
I'm not sure.
I have to think about it.
We'll make this a really good looking boyfriend.
I mean, the dream guy.
He's got money, too.
What do you say?
Huh.
Huh.
Yeah.
That's a yeah, then.
That's a yes.
I don't know.
All you've got to do is sign here.
Right here.
I'm not sure.
Put an X. We'll know.
So you still need to think it over?
Yeah.
You're not a good deal maker.
Have a good day.
Well I thought I'd give her what she wanted.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
Yeah.
Well, I got a story for you, Art.
Do you now?
Yes, sir.
Okay.
Like I said, I was out in Phoenix, Arizona.
I had a knock on my front door.
I look out for people.
I see a good friend of mine I hadn't seen in a while.
Like I said, we had taken a vacation out to Arizona together previously.
He ended up going home.
I stayed in Arizona.
So anyways, I see the people, so I open the door.
I'm like, hey, what's up man?
How have you been?
What are you doing here?
And he just looks at me and he goes, I'm okay.
I'm fine.
And I'm like, what are you talking about?
You're okay, you're fine.
And as I was looking at him, his clothes were like ripped up.
And it wasn't like, it was really him.
He was there, standing right in front of me.
Yes.
And he looked a little bruised up, and his clothes were kind of ripped.
And I'm like, what's going on?
Do you want to come in?
And he's like, no.
I just want to tell you, everything's fine.
I'm just fine.
It's great.
And then he started walking away, and it looked like he was walking across the courtyard to my neighbor's house.
And I kind of like, you know, went back in, you know, kind of put on my pants a little better, and ran back out, and then he was gone.
Well, what was really crazy, you know, and I looked all around for him, you know, I drove around, I looked around.
About two days later, you know, I'll skip all the stuff, I'm talking to my ex-girlfriend overseas, and she tells me, you know, you need to sit down for this.
And I'm like, what?
What's going on?
Just sit down.
I'm like, okay, I'm sitting down.
And I can say first names, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
She goes, uh, Tulsi.
Tulsi died.
Tulsi died?
Yeah, she told me that Tulsi died.
And Tulsi, the guy I saw, you know, the one that I went to Arizona with, that was at the front door.
And I'm like, what are you talking about?
I think he's out here.
I just saw him.
She's like, I'm like, well, when did this happen?
And she's like, well, it's been about four or five days now.
I haven't been able to get in touch with you and I didn't want to leave a message on your, on your phone, you know, on your answering machine with this information.
I want to tell you in person.
Of course.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, um, and all I can make of it was that I don't, I don't know, you know, it's the timing of it.
What were the circumstances of his death?
He died where?
Of what?
How?
He died in, uh, in Hawaii.
And he was hit by a car.
So there's no way.
So your friend was coming to let you know that it was all right.
Right?
I'm sorry.
I said your friend was coming to let you know it was all right.
Yeah, I guess.
I mean, he didn't go into specifics and I couldn't get anything out of him.
And to tell you the truth, I was kind of like froze up.
I couldn't really talk to him.
But what's even stranger is after the point once, you know, I realized that he had passed away and stuff, you know.
And, you know, I have a higher believing, I think, you know, about death.
I don't really think we really die.
We just kind of move on to the light or whatever you want to say, how you want to say it.
But I'm moving into a new apartment, right?
And I'm carrying these boxes.
Well, when we came out to Arizona, we bought a car together.
Okay, very quickly now, sir.
Well, I paid about $300 on the car and he paid the rest.
He ended up going back to Hawaii, like I said, and I never paid him what I owed him.
I'm carrying these boxes and I'm kind of looking up at the ceiling and I'm like, well, at least I don't have to pay the $300 I owe you, because we were close friends.
The bottom of the box falls out and these pictures, these pictures fly out.
And on the top three, four pictures, they're all him.
Yeah.
So I look up, I look back up at the ceiling and I go, I'll send it to your mother.
I swear.
So did you?
Did you?
Actually.
Actually you didn't.
All right, well then you're in for more trouble, buddy.
That's all I can tell you.
You should have taken the hint.
It almost broke your foot.
These are the Rockies.
You're on the air.
Hello.
Hi.
My name is Logan.
I'm calling from Pittsburgh.
Yes, Logan.
I'm calling today.
I've actually been, like, what they call physically dead or coded out, as they call it.
How so?
You, in other words, physiologically... I flatlined.
I flatlined.
You flatlined.
From what?
Well, instance, when I was four, I was almost five, I know normally Most of the time, things happen to you at that age.
You don't remember it, but it's something that huge you remember.
I actually choked to death off of a sandwich.
Yeah, that happens.
I saw my mother go into a panic and I saw myself laying there very purple.
And I went into, you know, the ambulance eventually came and they took me to the hospital and
I didn't see myself going into the ambulance.
I had gone someplace else, and it wasn't bright.
I mean, it was very well lit, but it was more of that You know how it looks just before the dawn breaks or dusk, just before it gets dark?
Of course, yes.
It was that very indigo kind of color.
It was very serene and tranquil.
For lack of a better term, I saw this immense garden and it was like I had been I don't know, it was like there was this communication with me that was, you know, it was wordless, but the gist of it was to go back.
And I went back and I had just learned how to spell several new words that day.
You know, dog and cat and simple things like that.
Right.
The first thing my mother did when I came, I recall being rolled out on the stretcher.
I had tubes and everything.
It was kind of hard to talk, but my mom says, do you remember how to spell dog?
And I looked at that, and I spelled G-O-D.
So it was almost as though I had been on the other side of the looking glass kind of thing, and everything was reversed.
And your mom has told you all of this?
A large part of it is my memory as well as what my mother remembers of the whole situation.
That's usually how those things are remembered.
I wonder how many of you have memories?
For example, I can remember distinctly being in my crib.
I can remember holding the slats on my crib.
I can remember crawling out of my crib.
I can remember going into my mom's brand new cedar closet and finding a bucket of yellow paint.
And I can remember painting my mom's cedar closet.
And I can remember my mom screaming a lot I can remember all of that.
I painted most of her cedar closet, at least that which I could reach, and I thought I had done her such a large favor.
I mean, this was beautiful, newly installed cedar, you know, with that great cedar smell to it.
I just slopped the old yellow paint on it.
I was out of my crib.
Should have been taking a nap.
I remember all of that, I think.
Now, I'm sure that I remember holding My crib.
But my mom has told me the story of painting her cedar closet so many times that I'm not sure now whether I really have that in my own memory or that was transferred to me at such a young age and repeated so frequently, because it was so traumatic for my mom, that it sort of installed the memory in me.
And I bet you have a lot of memories just like that.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Oh, hello, Art.
Hi.
Hi.
I wanted to Tell you a story, an experience I had.
It was about 20 years ago, and it was... What is your first name?
Well, I'd like to be anonymous.
Well, I know.
Pick a name you've always liked.
Kathy.
Kathy.
Oh, that is... I've always liked the name Kathy, too.
Okay, Kathy.
Okay.
Well, it was about 20 years ago, and I was living in New York at the time, and I had this experience where I I fell asleep, but I wasn't really asleep.
It was more like what you would call a lucid dream, or some state like that where you're not really in a deep sleep, and you're aware of everything.
And I saw a vision of what you would call Satan, or the Devil, or whatever you'd want to call it, appeared at the foot of my bed.
And he appeared to be a man, a very good-looking man, as a matter of fact.
And he, it was all sort of telepathic, he didn't speak, but he was offering me a pact with him that if I were to make this pact, I would have basically a very wonderful life, whatever I wanted, material, anything that I wanted.
And how old were you at this?
I was in my early 20s.
In your 20s, okay.
Yeah.
And I should say, I was raised as a Catholic, and so For years, I thought perhaps this was just my own thoughts about Catholicism or something that had come up, but I don't believe that.
I really believe this was so real that this really happened.
Do you remember your response?
Yes, I do.
I know that he made clear that I could have what I wanted if I would, in return, help him to corrupt souls, that I would have to help in this mission.
Which is to, you know, capture souls.
Well, here was an opportunity to put one foot on the ladder.
And I have to say, since I had no... I was not prepared for this at all.
I had not been asking for any pact with the devil at all.
I had no preparation.
And in the moment it was so alluring, it was so quite seductive, that I I started to reach out toward him.
He reached his hand out toward me and I started to reach out toward him because it was so, just so, you know, irresistible.
And the force, you know, was irresistible.
And then at the last second, before I touched him, I said, no, I want God.
And he, I don't know why I said that either.
It was just like, it just came out and he disappeared.
And I thought, oh, thankfully it's gone.
It's over.
And then I looked at the side of the bed and he reappeared.
But now I could see like souls in hell below him.
He was like, I could see he was like standing on their shoulders or physically oppressing them.
So you could clearly see you made the right choice.
And they were all like reaching out toward me.
And I don't know if they were trying to pull me in or They were asking for help, but my impression was that it was very, it was all chaos.
I didn't see fire and brimstone, just chaos.
The worst sort of imaginable chaos that they were living in, and they were asking for help.
And he was laughing, and just laughing, and just almost saying like, you know, this is, these are the souls, you know, that I have captured.
And I just like, then it just disappeared, and it was over.
And I, for years, whenever I tell the story, the reactions I get are, you know, just, Hello, how are you, sir?
Well, I'm quite well.
Perhaps better than you, or perhaps not.
this is your catholic background but i i'd really where to leave it
well i can hear it in your voice you don't have to swear to me thank you very
very much for the call and have a good morning on the let's make a deal line
you're on the air hello uh... or or or well i'm quite well perhaps better than you
or perhaps not uh... head did you actually make a deal with the devil sir
yeah I made a deal, as most people who have made deals with the devil, I did it at a very young age.
But not you?
Oh, no, I did.
No, I mean you did make a deal, but at an older age.
I made it at the young age and went through the iconic sacraments to lock it in.
Wait a minute, how old were you when you made your deal?
They came out of us under the age of 12.
Under the age of 12.
That's a little early.
Maybe even not legally old enough to... Not man's law.
God's law.
At the age of 12, the agreement that you make between God and or the devil... Oh, is that really the age of consent as far as God and the devil are 12 years old and boom, you can make a deal?
The age of reckoning.
The age of reckoning.
12 years of age.
Wow.
I would have thought quite a bit older.
I mean, there are some 12-year-olds that, yes, might be able to be legitimately making a deal with one of the two of them, but most 12-year-olds, no.
Well, about 100 years ago, a man was being married at the age of 12, too, so.
That's true.
Society is not reality.
So, what have you reaped as a result of your deal with the devil?
Tons of pain and suffering out of it.
Pain and suffering?
Oh, yes.
Fortunately, I stopped my path, and like the lady that called you earlier, I was talking about working her karma out.
It won't go away for the rest of my life, sir.
I understand, but what this show will do is go away.
I have to.
It's the end of the weekend.
It's been a wonderful one.
Thank you all, and I think I'll try and get a little sleep.
Here's Crystal.
Good night.
Tonight in the desert Shooting stars across the sky This magical journey We'll take this on a ride Filled with a longing Searching for the truth Will we make it till tomorrow?
Will the sun shine on you?
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