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Feb. 6, 2005 - Art Bell

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		With the exception of one.
		One idea struck me big time.
		So let me get that out of the way right now.
		I'm going to hold one line open, and I would like to thank...
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Steve and Mousetrap.
		What kind of name is that?
		Steve and Mousetrap.
		If somebody was really named Mousetrap, shame on their parents.
		Anyway, thank you both, Steve and Mousetrap.
		Please open a line tonight for anyone that has made a pact with the devil and find out how that pact is coming out.
		And also ask how they came to ask for the pact in the first place.
		And I thought that a gym dandy idea.
		Malachi Martin was on here.
		Father Malachi Martin, for years, he had suggested that many, many, many out there had made pacts with the devil.
		And indeed, if any of you are willing to talk about the deal you made, how you came to make it, and how it's coming so far, you know, we'd like to know how it's going.
		Then we're going to hold one line open for you.
		That would be area code 775-727-1222.
		That normally would be the first time caller line, but in this case, it's only for people who have made a pact with the devil.
		You've got to imagine those are going to be some interesting stories.
		All right, with that in mind, a few things before we get started.
		Number one, I direct your attention to the coast2coastam.com website.
		We've got a butte for you here, folks.
		I mean, we really got a butte.
		Dr. Mark Olson of Sonora Sightings writes, I've attached footage of the triangular UFO that I videotaped while you were on the air.
		While I was on the air.
		And you'll hear sound in the background.
		It was August 8th, 2004.
		The UFO appeared over Lion's Bald Mountain and flew over my head very slowly, heading south.
		No sound.
		It was awesome.
		No question.
		It was a triangle.
		No question, on that very night, synchronistically, I was on the air talking about triangles, black triangles with colors, while ABC was here filming a documentary.
		Now, this thing is incredible.
		This looks like what my wife and I saw it at a closer range, but what this man filmed while I was on the air that night is awesomely like what we saw, kind of in miniature to my eyes, but there's no question about it.
		There's no FAA type lights.
		There are three lights.
		It is a triangle, and you can hear the audio as it, well, you're not going to be able to hear it here.
		Yeah.
		You can actually hear the guy talking about it.
		A triangle.
		Oh, my God, he says, as this thing is zipping along.
		You can actually see it in movement in the sky.
		No question about it.
		A flying triangle, a very clearly defined triangle at the synchronistic moment that I was talking about it on ABC.
		And by the way, with regard to that ABC special, while you go up to the website and take a look at this incredible video, video is good.
		You know, it's one of those things you can put your hands on and say, yeah, baby, look at that.
		That's a real McCoy.
		And that guy got it on tape.
		Congratulations to you, my friend.
		And so if he calls tonight, certainly I'd like to speak with him.
		Anybody who has a presence of mind to get out of video camera and nail the proof is my kind of guy.
		All right, so we've got one line reserved away for people who have made pacts with the devil.
		You know that's going to be interesting.
		And then we have a number of people that have told me stories ahead of time that I already have waiting to tell them.
		And then we have all of you.
		It's going to be an extremely interesting night.
		Stay right there.
		I've got a little more before the phones.
		Trust me, that footage up on the website right now is worth watching.
		I mean, it really is.
		I would call that prima facie evidence.
		I mean, good evidence.
		The kind that people with video cameras can get.
		Here he was.
		Listening to the program we were doing with ABC, and it happened.
		And speaking of that documentary, as you know, ABC was here for a couple of days.
		Now, that's probably going to boil down to about 30 seconds of video, but this, I think we've got to give them credit.
	It's the UFO phenomena.
	Seeing is bleeding is what they're titling it.
	The UFO phenomena, seeing is bleeding.
	Two hours prime time on ABC television, Thursday, February 24th at 8 o'clock.
	And let's read a little bit of this.
	February 4th, 2005, almost 50% of Americans, that'd be half of us, according to recent polls, and millions of people elsewhere in the world believe that UFOs are real.
	For many, it is a deeply held belief.
	For decades, there have been sightings of UFOs by millions and millions of people.
	It is a mystery that only science can solve, and yet the phenomena remains largely unexamined.
	Most of the reporting on the subject by the mainstream media holds those who claim to have seen UFOs up to ridicule.
	On February 24th, Peter Jennings reporting, UFOs, Seeing is Believing, takes a fresh look at the UFO phenomena.
	As a journalist, says Jennings, I began this project with a healthy dose of skepticism and an open mind as possible.
	After almost 150 interviews with scientists, investigators, and many of those who claim to have witnessed unidentified flying objects, there are important questions that have not been completely answered and a great deal not fully explained.
	Peter Jennings' reporting UFO's Seeing is Believing airs Thursday, February 24th, 8 to 10 p.m. Eastern on ABC.
	The program will be broadcast in high definition, by the way.
	So probably I'll have, you know, all of 30 seconds on it or something.
	But they did record out here for a couple of days.
	So it's going to be very interesting to see what shows up.
	They interviewed many, many, many of the very best.
	And so giving them credit, here is a major U.S. network actually going out there and doing a serious show on UFOs.
	Mark it down on your calendar, February 24th, 8 o'clock.
	I don't know the rest of them.
	Central Pacific, you know, you add it up for your area.
	Check your guide and all that.
	The New England Patriots must have seen it, right?
	Don't have to proclaim greatness.
	The NFL record book does that for them.
	The Patriots won their third Super Bowl in four years, Sunday, 24-21 over the Eagles.
	And now, indeed, they are challenging history.
	It was their ninth straight postseason victory, equaling Vince Lombardi's Green Bay Packers.
	It was Coach Belichick's 10th playoff victory in 11 games.
	10th playoff victory in 11 games.
	One better than the Great Lombardi.
	And it matched Dallas' run of three championships in four years in the early 1990s.
	So, twas good.
	Gunmen waylaid a minibus Sunday carrying foreign technicians to their jobs at a mobile telephone company in western Baghdad, seizing four Egyptians in the second kidnapping of foreigners in the Iraqi capital within a week.
	We're going to be talking to somebody in a moment who was kidnapped, as a matter of fact, by al-Qaeda.
	Pope John Paul II blessed the faithful from his hospital window Sunday, looking frail, speaking with difficulty, but determined to show he can still lead the Roman Catholic Church.
	He's hanging in there.
	Nobody, but nobody was worried when Paul McCartney stripped off his jacket midway through his halftime performance at the Super Bowl.
	In fact, all was revealed was a long-sleeved shirt, and nothing malfunctioned, and all went well.
	And the legend that is McCartney did a wonderful halftime performance.
	Kenny Young is dead, folks.
	He's going to be very much missed in the UFO community.
	This is from Whitley Striber's UnknownCountry.com.
	One of America's most skilled and important UFO investigators, Kenny Young, has died of cancer at just age 38.
	Kenny has had the disease for some time, but requested that Whitley, who followed his career closely, not disclose his illness publicly.
	And, of course, Whitley did not.
	Kenny was a sober, careful, skeptical UFO researcher, and Whitley believed him to be among the very best of the younger generation whose work is characterized by just the facts approach that doesn't attempt to fit findings to theories, but simply seeks to prove what is real.
	Goodbye, Kenny.
	You will be missed.
	Keeping track of this, the virus, the virus, the headline is, Cambodia confirms bird flu in poultry near capital, Nampenh.
	Bird flu has been found in chickens near the Cambodian capital, officials said today, raising fears about the spread of the deadly virus in a country that has little to no health system at all.
	The H5N1 virus strain was detected in dead chickens at a small poultry farm in the province of Camdel, just south of Nampen.
	The Agricultural Ministry said people are now aware of the virus, and when they suspected a case, they reported it to us.
	The bird flu has now hit our country again.
	We must all watch this, like a hawk, this bird flu thing.
	The scientists have been regularly predicting it's going to turn into some sort of pandemic, and like a rumbling from a mountain getting ready to go, the stories just keep coming.
	Now, here's another one of those the stories just keep coming things.
	The headline is, Melting Away, a slow-motion catastrophe.
	A scientist looking southward from the tip of South America over steel-gray waters toward icy Antarctica see only questions on the horizon about the fate of the planet.
	Now that one mammoth Antarctic ice shelf has collapsed into the ocean, when might another, bigger one, crumble and slip into the warming sea in a thousand years, a hundred, sooner, never?
	People don't have the answers to the questions yet, but there is a probability, some possibility Of a collapse.
	Scientists had just flown back from the icy continent to this expedition staging point, and they brought with them some potentially very unsettling news.
	On a two-month round-trip trek by snow tractor to the South Pole, they pointed their sophisticated radar at the ground, and they found the West Antarctic ice sheet may be much thicker than thought.
	Many hundreds of feet thicker, in fact, in parts.
	Now, if that's true, and of course, if the melting part is true, that means a great deal more water is going to go into those rising ocean levels.
	And we're hearing very, very disturbing things about the Antarctic right now and the rate of the melting going on and the rate of the warming that's going on.
	It's all very, very worrisome, both at the north and south parts of the world.
	All right, with that in mind, I do have more, but I'll hold it and kind of sprinkle it as we continue through the program.
	Let us begin here on the wildcard line.
	You're on the air.
	Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		It's Greg Williams.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Greg, hi.
		Welcome to the program.
		Okay.
		Go ahead and begin your story wherever you want to.
		You were held prisoner by Al-Qaeda.
		Is that right?
		That's right.
		First of all, where did this occur?
unidentified		In the Philippines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the Philippines.
		Where still a very great deal of Al-Qaeda today, I believe, virtually controls parts of the Philippines.
		Is that not correct?
unidentified		Not really.
		After they got the Burnhams out, they pretty much had killed and captured most of the Abu Sayyaf leaders, all except one who is now hiding out with another group called the MNLF.
		They're a group that has been, another Islamic group that's been fighting for land, and the government actually gave them some land in Mindanao.
		So the remnants of the Abu Sayyafs have been hiding there, and there's been these guys from Indonesia, Islamia, whatever, I can't remember their whole name, but the guys who did the Bali bombing and stuff like that, they've been over there teaching the Abu Sayyaf how to bomb.
		They set off a couple of bombs down there in the southern Philippines, killing people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we hear a lot about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, how did it come that you went to the Philippines anyway, William?
unidentified		Well, that's really the whole story.
		It's about sort of really about my spiritual journey through life and how I grew up here in Rockford, Illinois, and ended up doing things I wanted to do, like playing rock and roll, and then moving to Florida and becoming a pretty successful businessman.
		And how in 1993 I had an accident where my back was injured and things went downhill from there.
		And I got abandoned by my wife.
		And my job squeezed me out.
		And even my parents up here in Rockford wouldn't take me back because they just simply didn't believe it was that bad.
		And even I didn't realize at the time I was becoming disabled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when it rains, it really pours, doesn't it?
unidentified		Yeah, I'll tell you.
unidentified		I mean, I was blessed to have, I really had a blessed life, and then all of a sudden it was just turned upside down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so how do you get from Florida and a disintegrating life to the Philippines?
unidentified		Well, the only people there for me in Florida was the church.
		And I was going to church.
		I had some friends there.
		I went to a singles night, and the pastor was giving a sermon on the missions that the church is involved in.
		And I do speak some Spanish, and when I expressed some interest, they wanted to send me to Cuba.
		And I said, no, I've worked in Miami too long.
		I have too many friends down there.
		I wouldn't betray them.
		And found out that the Philippines, their second language is English.
		And I thought, this could be a good place to go.
		And, you know, I just basically made the decision to, I didn't want to languish on the streets as a homeless person and, you know, soup lines and things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Philippines sounds better than homeless.
unidentified		Yeah, at least I'd be doing something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there you are, behalf of the church on the way to the Philippines.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then what?
unidentified		Well, when I arrived, there was another twist because the pastor who I had been in contact with, who was supposed to meet me there in Manila, he had injured himself in a construction accident, and he was not there, so I didn't know what to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you weren't greeted by anybody at the airport?
unidentified		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Actually, I wasn't supposed to be anyway.
unidentified		They gave me the address, and he asked me a bunch of information about where the Hollow the Inn was, and the church he's at is just like a couple blocks away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you decided to just walk?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		I checked into the Hollow the Inn, and I walked over there, and he wasn't there.
		So I had met somebody on the airplane coming down who was pretty eerie, actually.
		She was a blind woman, and she had Filipino guys with her, and she was called the Blind Prophet.
		And she did a Christian crusade every year.
		And when we were talking, she made a very cryptic comment to me.
		She said, when I told her I was already, you know, I had a mission that I was going to be going to, and because they invited me to go with them, she said, well, she said, I look forward to you coming with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you called her?
unidentified		Yeah, so here I was with nobody, and I called her, and I said, well, I guess I'd like to go with you guys.
unidentified		And what they did is they headed down into the southern Philippines, where unbeknownst to me and most other people, that's where the Abu Saif was active.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I think I'm aware of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so how did they get you?
unidentified		Well, we were getting ready to go to another island, and one morning we got separated, the entourage and the blind prophet got into two cabs, and they didn't have enough for us.
		So we had myself and my companion, my Filipino friend, and just the two of us caught a second cab a few minutes later.
		This guy was trying to, we were trying to catch up to him, and he took a shortcut through the Cebu Harbor port and went through the area where they had stacks and stacks of these big train cars and kind of freight things and came around the corner and all of a sudden we uh was surrounded by about four or five guys with uh black ski masks and uh AK-47.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, this taxi driver drove you right into the truck.
unidentified		Yeah, people always ask me, do you think he did it on purpose?
		And I know he didn't do it on purpose.
		I know he did it by mistake.
		He did he was not working with them because he was killed later on when they took us by speed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he took they took not only you two, but the cab driver as well?
unidentified		Yes, he um basically why they they pulled for some reason, I don't know why, they pulled them out and started beating them.
		And they pulled me out.
		They did hit me on the head, knocked me out for a few minutes, and then they put sacks on our heads and led us onto this little speedboat.
		And we were on that for several hours as they took us to this other island.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And already you're thinking Miami doesn't sound so bad anymore, I'm sure.
unidentified		Yeah, I was quite confused.
		I just kept thinking, what would they want with me?
		I'm a homeless person with no money, no future, no nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But they didn't know that, did they?
unidentified		Oh, no, they knew about the crusade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there.
		We'll be right back.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
unidentified		It gets worse from here.
		You get a shiver in the dark.
		It's raining in the fog.
		But meantime.
		Sound of the river, you're stopping your home.
		Everything.
		A band is blowing mixy.
		Double fall time.
		You feel alright when you hear the music, baby You feel alright when you hear the music, baby Well now you step inside, but you don't see too many things.
		Coming in out of the rain, they hear the jazz pull down.
		Composition in other places It don't count music, you know it don't count music
		It don't count music, you know it don't count music Come to play your music if you want to see the blues And you know it don't count music You don't have to shout or leave the vows You can even play them easy Forget about the past and
		all your sorrows In the future of our lives It will soon be your tomorrow I don't ask the bugs, I only want the first thing You know it don't count music To chunk with Art Bell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		We're talking with Greg Williams, who was a prisoner of al-Qaeda for quite a while.
		Torture, beheadings went on.
		You'll hear all about it.
		The rest of his story.
		And what a story it's got to be.
		I mean, you're a homeless guy.
		You barely make it to the Philippines.
		You end up going with somebody you probably shouldn't have into a cab where you no doubt shouldn't have been.
		And guys grab you and throw sacks over your head.
		And I guess that's how it began.
unidentified		The End By the way, we have a customer standing by on our Let's Make a Deal line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But right now, back to Greg.
		Greg, so you're a prisoner of Al-Qaeda.
		You didn't really know they were Al-Qaeda.
		In fact, you didn't know who they were.
		All you had was a bag on your head, and they took you on some journey?
unidentified		Yeah.
		I, you know, all I knew about the Philippines was about Marcos and Communist guerrillas, so I assumed these were either just bandits or communist gorillas.
		They took us several hours over the ocean to many islands, and they took us to the island of Cilan, which is one of the islands' home islands of Abu Saya.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I'm sure you didn't know that at the time, what it was, that is to say.
unidentified		Yeah, I had no idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You get there and then what?
unidentified		Well, we went on about an hour or two trip up the mountains, and they found a...
		They split us up.
		I never saw the cab driver of my friend, whose name is Remy.
		I never saw them during the first 11 or 12 days that I was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long were you there altogether?
unidentified		13 days.
unidentified		That's the name of my book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's called Dr. You're writing a book about this called 13 Days.
unidentified		Well, it's already been published.
unidentified		It's been out for about a year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And it's called 13 Days of Terror.
		And so I tell people not to be fooled by the title because it really is.
		I wrote the book to be an inspirational book about how you can rise from the ashes, so to speak, which I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or at one point, it's seemingly ashes To ashes.
		I don't know.
		From Miami in a wrecked life to an island with a bag over your head.
		Anyway, what happened during those 13 days?
unidentified		Well, in the beginning, they hung me up with my arms behind me and hung me up from a palm tree facing down.
		And they did things like poke me and stick knives in my face and give me rice with ants in it.
		And of course, I was sunburned and the mosquitoes were bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they ever tell you what they wanted?
unidentified		Well, that's what was strange.
		The first couple of days, they didn't say anything to me.
		Well, no, that's not true.
		Actually, what they did, and they had said this a couple times during the trip up the mountain, they kept saying, you're missionary.
		They kept saying, you're a missionary.
		And then when I said, no, I'm not a missionary, they would just laugh at me.
		Because obviously they thought I was a missionary, and obviously they thought I was part of an important organization.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that had money.
unidentified		Exactly.
		Exactly.
		And it wasn't until they got the interpreter involved, I think it was about the third day or so, that he translated.
		He spoke pretty good English.
		And that was when I found out more about what they intended to do and what they wanted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what did they intend to do and what did they want?
unidentified		Well, they wanted money.
		They wanted me to tell them where they could contact the company that would give money for me.
		And I was still, even during these interrogations, were getting a little bit more heated and that kind of thing.
		I remember there was a telling moment when during our, they were still saying, you are a missionary.
		We know you're a missionary.
		And I finally realized it hit me like an anvil over the head.
		I'd better shut up.
		I'd better quit saying I'm not a missionary because these guys, from what I have seen, if I wasn't useful to them in some way, they'd probably just kill me.
		And that's when I started playing a little more coy with them and stopped saying that I was not a missionary.
		But it got worse.
		They did take me down and they shackled me by a chain in this little hut.
		And at least in the hut, I had some shade.
		And I did strange little things like playing marbles with seeds in the little holes.
		And one of the highlights was when I was feeling quite in despair, I had this little mole, this little black mole.
		You know, they had the big long snout.
		He used to visit once in a while and eat some of my scraps, like any rice that I had on the ground.
		And one day, during the afternoon, he came to visit me, and he didn't even look for food.
		I was lying down, and he curled up in the back of my knee.
		I went to sleep.
		And it was like the hand of God touched me.
		I'm still here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, you were tortured during that time?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what way?
unidentified		Well, after a few days, they got really frustrated with me, and they took me to a cave.
		It was an old Japanese fortification in a cave.
		And one of their chief torturers, his name was Abu Sabaya.
		In fact, he was the same guy who was in charge of the Burnhams when they kidnapped the Burnhams.
		Fortunately, he's now dead.
		He began beating me.
		Then he began stabbing my fingers with this big livestock needle.
		He crushed one of my fingers with a rifle butt.
		And then he started taking needles and sticking them into my fingers and, you know, like digging around with them.
		But he did something that I found out later was their trademark.
		He would take his hunting knife and jab it underneath my fingernails and then take pliers and start pulling my fingernails up very slowly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		very very painful but it's their trademark torture now with since you Was it just for fun, or were they trying to get information, specific information about who to get the money from?
unidentified		Well, these people were just vicious animals.
		While I was there, I witnessed them beheading a farmer.
		I witnessed them raping some girls who were no more than 13.
		They were doing drugs.
		were drinking and everything they were saying about their grand Islamic plans just didn't make sense because these Exactly.
		They certainly weren't godly people.
		But during the height of that, when they were pulling my fingernails out, I had an out-of-body experience.
		I thought I was dying.
		And the Lord just lifted me up, and I was in a very...
		That's why I thought I was dying.
		And it was just very tranquil.
		I felt very safe and secure.
		And it really changed me spiritually.
		And after that point, I never again had any fear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They beheaded your friend?
unidentified		Yeah, well, after that, after that, when they couldn't get anything out of me, then they brought my friend up, who I hadn't seen in 11 days.
		And they brought him in front of me and just immediately lopped his head off in front of me.
		And, you know, obviously it did have an effect on me.
		It scared the crap out of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm sure they chopped his head off?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Well, in the book, I made it sound like it was a clean, swift chop, and his head went rolling.
		then it wasn't unfortunately that It's quite a gruesome sawing and chipping, and it's just really gross, very...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So after all of this, by then, I'm sure you think you're just dead.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, I knew it.
		And even though I bought a couple days just by throwing out a name of a place I had heard, they did come back and they told me that, quote unquote, tomorrow your head goes to Cebu as a warning to the whites.
		Basically meaning the Christian whites that were in the Philippines.
		Very, very much afraid of that group.
		And I knew, you know, I was in great despair that night and crying and trying to, you know, imagine myself and my children and my family not even knowing what happened to me.
		You know, it was quite a terrible moment for me.
		But I made peace with the Lord.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we don't have a lot of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your escape was made by befriending, I guess you said that some of the guards were high as a kite or passed out sort of on something or another and you started talking to the translator?
unidentified		Yeah, they were they were partying as usual and they were bringing girls into the tunnel and they they passed out and the translator didn't drink.
		And so I knew he was a little different.
		But anyway, we had a really good conversation, the first civilized conversation I'd had since I've been there and we talked a lot about our children and our families.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's the night of your exec night before your execution.
unidentified		Exactly.
		No, no, this was like Yeah, but what happened, this conversation I had with the translator actually happened a couple days before that.
		And what I didn't know is during that conversation, when we were challenging each other about our religious beliefs, somehow his mind changed.
		And so it was after that that they brought Remy to me and chopped his head off, and I was in great despair.
		Of course, I had no idea this guy was going to come back.
		But for some reason, during our conversation, it touched him.
		And he came back, and I'd just gone to sleep.
		It must have been like 4 or 5 in the morning.
		And he came back, and the guard was passed out, got the keys, locked us.
		And he had grown up as a child in those caves.
		He knew there was a back entrance out of there, a small little air shaft that someone thin could squeeze through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By then you were thin.
unidentified		Yes, I was.
		I had lost quite a bit of weight.
		And this guy was thin anyway, but nobody saw him come in.
		And we were able to go out to this area.
		He brought a little pocket knife with him and cut away the vegetation that had been over this air shaft for 50-some years.
		And I followed him very weakly and stumbling down the mountainside to his little house and his family.
		And one of his daughters happened to be going to another island on a fishing boat.
		And his plan was to get me out of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he did.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's some story.
		Greg, do you think the West, and I use that as an all-inclusive phrase, you know, the West is going to be at war with Islam?
		Is that where this is eventually going?
		Is it inevitable?
		Is even a question?
unidentified		I don't think it is.
		I think there are a lot of extremists out there who are blaming the religion.
		And one of the great things about my book is it really, I hope it clarifies, and I know a lot of people have decided to have, that even though this guy was a Muslim, he felt a kinship with me because I was a man of faith also, even though I was a Christian.
		And it really showed me, really opened my eyes, that there's still so many good people, much more than the bad people, and that what's happened is this small percentage of 4 or 5% of the Muslims have tried to hijack their religion.
		And there are other Muslims like this guy who saved me who are going to start cleaning up their own backyard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder how he made out.
unidentified		Well, I know that he moved away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure he did, yes.
unidentified		And I know through his daughter, who cared for me after I left the island, that he actually asked for a Bible.
		So the big thing I learned was when I was leaving, and I turned to him and I said, you know, why?
		How could you risk your life and your family?
		Because I knew these guys would kill him and his family.
		And I said, how could you risk your life for me?
		And he said, because I believe we're brothers under the same God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, listen, Greg, I've got to go, but thank you very, very, very much for the story.
		I hope your book does well.
		Can you imagine the terror of that?
		Being chained and watching your friend's head lopped off and getting that close to yourself.
		That's what he went through.
		That's quite a story.
		I mean, homeless in Miami and then damn near headless in the Philippines.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
		I'm doing okay.
		This is Kate, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excellent, Kate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What can you tell us?
unidentified		Well, I'm listening to you from KNZR, Bakersfield, California.
		Oh, yes.
		I worked in Michelson Lab on China Lake Naval Base in the late 70s.
		Oh.
		And with what everybody's talking about, the stem cell research and the geneticists dying and the microbiologists, I knew one of these days I would be telling this story, and I feel it is necessary to do so right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's true.
		I mean, I've had, I don't know how many stories about dead microbiologists.
		Now, maybe somehow the media just decided to start focusing on dead microbiologists, but it seems like there have been so many stories, Kate, that there's something to it.
		Or am I wrong?
unidentified		No, you're definitely correct.
		Definitely.
		And it's none too soon coming.
		It should have been out a long time ago.
		But you know how the government is.
		They don't want to talk about anything.
		But, you know, we're going to find out.
		You know, there are those of us who look into these things, and we're very determined and tenacious people.
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you sound like it, I swear.
unidentified		Oh, you betcha, honey.
unidentified		You definitely am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You worked at China 8.
unidentified		Yes, I did, sir, in the late 70s after I graduated from high school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doing what?
unidentified		I was working on the cruise missile project.
		I was a systems analyst and, you know, basically just analyzing all of the information for the missile.
		And they had Tomahawk and Sidewinder out there also.
		And almost two years that I was working on the project, three days after starting at the lab, I met a gentleman who had an office down the way from mine.
		And I walked around in the first three days and said hello to everybody and introduced myself.
		And this gentleman was coming out of his office.
		And I knew by the name plate that his name was Roger.
		So I yelled down and I said, Roger, how are you?
		Good morning.
		And he didn't stop.
		And I thought, okay, maybe he didn't hear me.
		You know, maybe he has a hearing disability or something.
		So I kind of hurried behind him and tapped him on the shoulder.
		And I said, Roger, how are you doing today?
		My name is Kate.
		I just started.
		I just wanted to introduce myself.
		And he turned and looked at me, and you could see in his face, his name was not Roger, to start off the story there.
		So over the next few months, I made friends with Roger.
		He, in the course of speaking with him on our lunch hours, he, from what I gathered, he was at Roswell.
		So he said.
		He was 17.
		So that alerted me to the fact that he was born in 1930.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this must have been a fairly older fellow.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		So in 77, I'm not, you know, let me see, 77.
		He was born in 30.
		Well, you guys can do the math.
		I won't hold you up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
unidentified		So anyway, during the course of the time that I was there, I only saw him maybe a dozen times.
		And what bothered me was the fact that he seemed like a very nice fellow, but there was something within his very being that he was fearful of.
		He did not want to speak of what he was doing.
		I asked him, well, you know, what do you do here?
		And he said, oh, I, you know, do this and that.
		But it wasn't happiness that he, you know, liked his job.
		He was very just fearful.
		You could tell that there was something going on that he didn't want to be a part of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you find out what that was?
unidentified		Well, when I asked him, I kind of trapped him when I asked him what he was doing.
		And he kind of hemmed and hawed about it.
		And then when I asked him again, he came out, I'm a geneticist.
		And then he stopped really short and said, I shouldn't have said that.
		And I said, so you're in the medical field.
		And he said, I'm a geneticist.
		I said, what is a geneticist doing on a naval base?
		And he just looked at me and gave me a look like, don't ask.
		Do not say another word.
		And I said, okay, I'm not going to say another word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		So I didn't see him every day.
		There were weeks that would go by that I didn't see him.
		But one day he came out.
		I was sitting under the tree out in front having my lunch.
		And he came out and sat down.
		And I said, my God, where have you been?
		I haven't seen you in ages.
		Are you okay?
		He had this look of just mortal fear on his face.
		And he said, you have been seen talking with me.
		Watch your back.
		Please be careful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
unidentified		And me, you know, I've been into UFOs and all sorts of things my entire life.
		And, of course, with the cruise missile, Tomahawk, and Sidewinder out there, the sightings were incredible.
		And there are so many stories to that, but I won't bore you to tears with those tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So stay with Roger.
		I mean, do you know what Roger was doing?
		Did you figure out what Roger was doing?
unidentified		I didn't know what Roger was doing, but he told me what he gave me an idea of what he was doing at Roswell.
		He said he was 17 years old.
		He had enlisted early.
		Back then, they didn't need the required documentation that they do now.
		So if you were 14 or 15, you could enlist, and they wouldn't ask any questions.
		And he told me that he was doing guard duty on something that happened in Roswell.
		And he looked at me like, you don't need to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Kate, hold tight, and we'll finish this up after the break.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		I am Art Bell, and I've got Kate on the line, who worked on several missile systems, China Lake and elsewhere.
		Met a guy who was at Roswell and also was a geneticist.
		that's a kind of a fiery combination will be right back A lot of people want to know any more information you might have at all, Kate.
		I mean, here is a guy, a geneticist.
		He was at Roswell, and now he's not happy doing the work he's doing, whatever it is, at China Lake.
		Any more hints you can give us about?
unidentified		Definitely are.
unidentified		And I do apologize that this is such a lengthy story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go right.
unidentified		I'm leaving out, but just the gist of it is that was the last time I saw him.
		But during the conversation on my lunch hour, I let him know that I knew his name was not Roger.
		And I said, I know you feel that we're being watched, so why don't you just blink your eyes once for yes, twice for no.
		So the conversation was, you were at Roswell.
		He blinked once for yes.
		I said, the stories that we have heard over the 40 some-odd years, 50-some-odd years, are they all true?
		He blinked twice for no.
		I said, was there a crash of a UFO?
		He blinked once.
		The gest of it was that a little less than a fourth of the information that's out there is correct.
		He said the rest of it is not correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even a fourth ain't bad.
unidentified		Even a fourth ain't bad.
		And so I was being a smart person.
		I won't say that on the air.
		But I said, did this creature like strawberry milkshakes like we all heard about?
		And his face softened as though he was remembering a memory that actually made him happy.
		And he blinked once.
		And my zinger, you know, we all have our intuition.
		Well, I call mine my zinger.
		And my zinger went off.
		And I knew this man was there.
		I knew he was telling the truth.
		And I knew this man was scared.
		I never saw him again after that day.
		To get the story going, during this next six months, various animals were found out in Inyokern, which is west of China Lake, by about, excuse me, about eight miles.
		Being the animal lover I am, it really bothered me when I heard some of these stories.
		The first one was a rabbit, and this is pertinent to what I believe Roger was doing on the base.
		So some children, an eight-year-old, nine-year-old, and 11-year-old, they're all brothers, were out riding their bikes in Inyokern where they lived, and they heard this horrible screaming sound, thought it was a cat.
		Well, they followed the sound and found a domestic rabbit, not a cottontail or a jackrabbit like you find out in the desert, but a domesticated rabbit.
		And it had a partial head growing out of the back of its neck.
		The mouth was clearly visible.
		It had one eye, and the rest of it, you could tell that it was like something trying to come out, like a Harry Potter movie, trying to come out of the back of its head.
		And it upset the boys so bad that one of the boys rode back, got his father.
		His father brought out a handgun, and once he saw it, he shot it, thinking it was just some environmental mishap.
		Well, the kids didn't want to leave the rabbit, so they buried it.
		And the next day, they went back to put flowers on its grave and to say a small prayer because their father was in such a hurry to get them away from it that they found the carcass missing.
		It had been dug up by an animal.
		Well, another cat was found.
		And this cat was fine.
		There was nothing wrong with it.
		It was not upset, hurt, or anything, but it had two tails.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two tails.
unidentified		Two tails.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Roger's work.
unidentified		Could be.
unidentified		Could very well be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many animals like that?
unidentified		My story is 18.
unidentified		I'm sure there's more than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's 18 animals in the area.
unidentified		The biggest one was some kids, some college kids, driving north on 395 heading towards Mammoth for a camping trip.
		They hit a dog.
		The dog, they stopped, got out of the car.
		They said the dog had a leg growing out of its left flank and a leg growing out of its right flank.
		They said that the leg was half the length of the dog's legs.
		They said the dog was a lab mix, a small, small lab mix.
		They thought it was dead.
		They walked back to the car.
		It was in the headlights.
		Walked back to the car to get a blanket because they just did not want to leave it at the side of the road.
		And on the way back with the blanket, it got up and looked at them and then ran off down into the desert, into the night.
		And they couldn't find it.
		They said they looked and looked and looked, but they never saw it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, brother.
unidentified		So anyway, there were animals like this.
		Well, in the summer, I had a friend who was a police officer, and he called one night and he said, you're not working on Friday night.
		Why don't you do a ride-along?
		And I'm like, hey, great, no problem.
		Richcrest is not really a big spot for a lot of excitement.
		So I thought, you know, what the heck.
		So we were having dinner, and we got a call.
		And some woman out in Inyokern, once again out in Inyokern, called and had complained about a week straight, saying that there was a bear going through her trash can.
		And she called and nobody paid any attention.
		She said, I want somebody out here now.
		So they called My friend, and we went out there, and he told me, You stay in the car.
		I'm like, Yeah, right, sure.
		So I got out of the car with him.
		We walked around.
		She was out in Inyokern, there's mobile homes.
		There's not any houses, just to set the picture.
		There were three rows of mobile homes that went down about a mile.
		They're each on about an acre.
		And down at the very end of one of these little dirt roads was a big dumpster.
		And this woman was standing on the porch of her mobile home.
		Her dogs were in the front yard barking at this creature.
		And we went around.
		We heard this grunting noise.
		Go around the corner of the fence where the bush is, and we see what we thought was a bear.
		But there are no bears in the desert.
		But when it turned around, I could not believe my eyes.
		And my friend Daryl just about, I just try me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give me the best description.
unidentified		It was about seven feet tall.
		Daryl was about, he's been deceased for a while, but he was 6'3.
		So I know this thing had to have been about 7 feet.
		It was upright like a man.
		It had greenish-brown fur all over it.
		It wasn't ape-like.
		It was definitely a male.
		And I don't think I need to tell you how I knew that.
		But it smelled terrible of blood, urine, feces.
		It was terrible.
		But it made no apparent action towards us.
		It was like, oh, you know, audience went back to dumpster diving.
		He pulled out a sack of Carls Jr. hamburger stuff and was eating.
		He didn't care that we were standing there.
		The woman was standing there screaming at us, get that thing out of my garbage can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what did you do?
unidentified		So anyway, I just yelled at it.
		I said, hey.
		I mean, when it looked at me, I swear it looked like it had human eyes.
		They didn't glow red like an animal.
		It was acting kind of like a human that had been out in the forest for all of its life.
		And it made no, it didn't try to come at us.
		It didn't scream at us.
		It just grunted and was looking for food.
		It was just foraging.
		That's all it was doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It just left?
unidentified		It just, the woman shot her shotgun up in the air because she didn't want it out there anymore.
		And the dogs were barking and it just lumbered off.
		It didn't run screaming off into the night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The bottom line to this story, Kate, is you believe that Roger and his friends at China Lake were conducting some kind of post-Roswell genetic research and all these weird things were showing up in the desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really appreciate your story.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		May I finish off?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		I never saw Roger again.
		That was in 1977.
		I ran across Roger in 1992 in San Diego.
		I was down visiting relatives at a supermarket, and I saw him shopping in a supermarket.
		Again, I called out Roger.
		He didn't turn around, so I went and tapped him on the shoulder, and he said, oh, my God, you cannot be seen talking to me.
		He said, Kate, I'm supposed to be dead.
		You've got to get away from me.
		And I was just kind of stunned, and it's very hard to stun me.
		And I didn't say much, and he turned around and walked away.
		In the year 2003, I hadn't seen or heard about Roger.
		I mean, it's not like we exchanged Christmas cards.
		I received a phone call, I believe it was in August of 2003, from one of his friends.
		He said he was a friend of Rogers and that Roger had somewhat retired to his place in Connecticut or close to there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we're short on time now.
unidentified		Roger was murdered.
		He told me Roger was murdered, had been executed, kind of like mafia style, in his front living room.
		He didn't show up for his fishing trip in the morning, and so his friend went to look for him, and they found him.
		He found him murdered.
		And it never hit the papers.
		He said that what he called was a sweeper team, black vehicles, showed up and removed his body, and nobody ever heard anything.
		There was no obituary or anything.
		And his friend said he was leaving the country because he was fearing for his life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you swear all of this is true, Kate?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very, very much.
		You have a good night.
		That's Kate.
		All of this material is coming from average people.
		People like you and me.
		Just people.
		That's some story.
		I don't know.
		I tend to sort of buy what she said.
		I think because of the way she told it.
		I don't know.
		That's up to you.
		What do you think?
		Guess what?
		Here's the doctor who supplied the video that's on the front page of the Coast to Coast AM site that I talked about at the beginning of the program of the triangle.
		Doctor, welcome to the program.
unidentified		Thank you, Art.
unidentified		Thank you for having me on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your name is Dr. Mark Olson, is that correct?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of Sonora?
unidentified		Of Sonora, California, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so the night that I was doing the program with ABC Network all around me here, talking about triangles on the air, black triangles, you taped this?
unidentified		Yes, sir, I did.
unidentified		It was very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recognize your laugh from the tape.
unidentified		I was laughing because you guys were talking about black triangles and there was one right in front of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you really caught this sucker dead on, didn't you?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Is there anything that you saw?
		I mean, the tape is self-evident.
		It's just self-evident.
		But is there anything that you saw?
unidentified		Boy, that is so convincing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you give us an idea of how far away this thing was from you?
unidentified		I'd say maybe a mile, if that.
		It just came right over the mountain.
		The first thing it did was it came from behind the mountain and then went back down behind it again.
		Then it popped back up, and by that time I was ready with the camcorder, going, what is that?
		And as I videotaped this thing, it went straight up and then it went right over my head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's got three distinct white lights.
		Were they light?
		White, rather?
unidentified		They weren't really white.
		There were two green ones and one red one.
		And as they came over my house, it was going very, very slowly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sounds just like what we saw.
		And very slowly.
		Very slow.
		And so what?
		You ran inside and grabbed a video recorder?
		Or how did, cam recorder, what happened?
unidentified		Well, actually, we've had so many different sightings of aerial phenomena here.
		I had the camera ready.
		And the first thing I saw was a shooting star.
		It was beautiful.
		It went over towards the mountain.
		And as I followed it with my eyes, then I saw the object bob up from behind the mountain and then bob back down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know 99 and 9 tenths of the people that ever get to see something like this never have the presence of mind to have a video camcorder nearby?
		I'm one of them.
		I mean, it's just not something you do.
		You know, haul around a camcorder for a once-in-a-lifetime shot of a UFO.
		God, I wish I'd had one when I saw mine, but of course I did not.
		You did.
		Congratulations.
unidentified		Thank you, sir.
unidentified		I've had that camera glued to my hand ever since May 2004 because we've had so many sightings here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you sure nailed a big one.
		No question about that.
		And you just, what, emailed that video in today, is that correct, or yesterday?
unidentified		A few days ago, yes, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A few days ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		all right anything else other than what we get with It was very, very quiet.
unidentified		There was no sound whatsoever.
unidentified		And it flew so slowly that if it was any conventional aircraft, it would have been falling out of the sky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just the way I described it.
		All right.
		Listen, thank you.
		Thank you for coming on the air.
		And congratulations on doing something that 99 and 9 tenths of us can't do.
unidentified		Thank you, Art.
		I appreciate it.
		I've been a long time listener.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Take care, my friend.
		All right, there you have it.
		Now, you go see this video.
		This is worth seeing.
		This is one of those.
		We got some proof here.
		Look at it.
		See what you think.
		I do say it's mighty coincidental that all of this occurred on the very night that ABC was here.
		On my let's make a deal line?
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Let's make.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, let's make a deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's make a deal.
		That's right.
		I was asking for people, holding a line open for people who had made a deal with the devil.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's you.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You made a deal with the devil?
unidentified		I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did you do this?
unidentified		It was approximately 10 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ten years ago?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you were how old?
unidentified		I was 24.
		Wait, 20.
		I guess it was more than 10 years.
		I was about 25.
		Six years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		26 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what was your condition that you were ready to make a deal?
unidentified		Well, it's really stupid.
		I was sort of madly in love with a girl, and I was going to be...
		And I needed not to be transferred across the country, and I needed something to happen.
		And I was sort of just, I didn't know what to do, and so I was just sort of kind of like asking out loud.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you in the military or something?
		You say transferred across country.
		Were you working for a company?
unidentified		I was working for a company, yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And so I just kind of asked out loud for somebody to help me with this situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Nobody in general.
		I don't know why I was talking like that.
		And a voice came to me and said that it could help me.
		I don't normally hear voices in my head.
		And so I said, who is this?
		I thought I was crazy.
		And the voice told me that it was Satan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, that should have been an alert right there.
unidentified		Well, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Satan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, nevertheless, curious, I suppose.
unidentified		Well, yeah, it was curiosity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody says, it's something says, I'm Satan.
		And I mean, it's hard to imagine what you responded to that.
		I mean, what did you respond to?
		I'm Satan.
		And you said...
		Oh.
unidentified		And he says, but I can help you.
unidentified		And I said, well, yeah, but, you know, what do you want?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the right question.
unidentified		He says, nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if that's the right answer.
unidentified		Oh, that's what he said.
unidentified		That's what he lied to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So nothing.
unidentified		Nothing.
		And I said, nothing.
		He says, yeah, I'll help you for free.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like some emails I've had, but go ahead.
unidentified		Yeah, and so I denied at first, and the voice kind of persisted, and I denied again.
		And then I said, well, you know, fine.
		If it's free, it's free.
		Go ahead.
		Do what you're going to do.
		And that was the deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the deal was, I mean, the help was, you will not be transferred.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You get a chance to stay with your girl?
unidentified		Yeah, I lose the job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		Right, and it wasn't quite the deal I wanted.
		I didn't actually make a formal deal.
		It was just for general help.
		And so I lost the job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, since you've made this deal with Lucifer, how's it gone?
unidentified		Well.
unidentified		Well, wait, hold that until we get back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do want to find out how it's gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remember, we've got a line open for those who have made a deal.
unidentified		Now it begins, now that you've gone, needles and pins, quite like you've done.
		Watching back up, till you return.
		Lining the blackboard, and watching you burn.
		Now it begins, day after day.
		This is my life, seeking the way.
		Sweet dreams are made of the end.
		Sweet dreams are made of the end.
		Who am I to disagree?
		I travel the world and the seven seas.
		Everybody is looking for something.
		Some of them want to use you.
		Some of them want to get used by you.
		Some of them want to abuse you.
		Some of them want to be abused.
		Sweet dreams are made of the end.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, the words to this song kind of remind me of how the devil would probably view his constituency.
		You know, so many of you out there.
		I'm sure that's exactly the way the devil thinks about it.
		So, how did your deal with the devil go?
		I mean, how's it going since?
unidentified		Well, things were pretty good for a while.
		I started getting different slow at first, but as time went on, I started getting introduced to people.
		And I was eventually introduced to a witch who became my master and trained me, and I became quite accomplished and different advents of the occult.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has this become a successful life for you?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		Because I eventually became possessed by demons and lost control of myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you make a deal.
unidentified		Well, no.
		Likely I listened to your show.
		And I heard Father Malachi Martin speaking.
		And as he spoke, I listened to his words and I realized that he was right, that I had made a deal with the devil the way he had said.
		And that was when I decided that I would do something.
		And after listening to him for three years, I looked for somebody to perform an exorcism.
		And I eventually found someone in the Eastern Orthodox Church, and they were able to free me from his grasp.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They took the devil out of you.
unidentified		Many devils.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Many devils.
		By then, you were like an old computer that didn't even know viruses existed.
		And there were devils all over you.
unidentified		That's a good way of putting it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so your whole operating system got rebooted.
		I see.
		See, I don't know if that's how it goes, though.
		I'm not sure that once you make a deal with the devil or loser, that there's really any reboot available.
		Lester the Rockies, you are on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hi, sir.
unidentified		I'll give you a little background before I start my story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		My first name is Bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bill, okay, Bill.
unidentified		Yes, I'm a retired New York City fire captain.
		I retired in 97.
		The incident I'm going to describe happened in May of 1989.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you got out before 9-11.
unidentified		Yes, and I was a structural firefighter, you know, retired right from the line.
unidentified		I have to be sound mind and sound body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
unidentified		So I just want to bring that point out.
unidentified		So this is not someone who's hallucinating or going for shock therapy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
unidentified		So what happened, Bob, I mean, was my brother, who was a firefighter too, we both, our vacation sort of overlapped, and I said I would, if I could, I would meet him down in West Virginia at his trailer.
		And what happened was there's a psychological component to this.
		At the time, I was reading Whitney Street's book, Communion, and A Bove Top Secret by Timothy Goode.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you had a sort of a mindset then.
unidentified		Yes, and I think when I say a psychological component, I think there's the phenomenon attaches itself to you.
unidentified		Believe it or not, I mean, there's something strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I believe it.
		I believe it.
		People who put themselves in these mindsets tend to have experiences like you're about to describe.
		Believe me, it's true.
unidentified		But yes, it's not hallucination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So what happened, I mean, first of all, what was strange was I had a compulsion to go just one night.
		I said I had to go down there, and I asked my wife to come with me.
		It was raining out in a storm.
		She says, you're a crazy driver.
		I'm not going to go with you at night.
		You want to wait until morning?
		I'll go with you.
		I said, well, I really, I was under compulsion To go.
		So I just left, and she says, Don't get beamed up, Scotty.
		So I meet my brother down there, and after being there a couple of days, and he's with his wife, he says, At that time, in that time frame, there was a collapse of a radio telescope, 300 foot in diameter, down in Greenbank, West Virginia.
		And it was in the papers at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a big radio telescope, 300 feet in diameter.
unidentified		And he says, let's go down to Green Bank and take a look at it.
		So we get down there, and we started heading off into the woods, having no idea.
		And have many antennas down there.
		They're like six, seven, eight, ten stories high, some of these things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And we're cutting through the woods, and I got this big Panasonic camcorder.
		At that time, it was 75 pounds.
		It had like an electronic image stabilizer system, and it's about two feet long, not like the camcorders they have today.
		And I'm shooting at snakes as we're going, and we come out into this opening, and there's a pile of debris of steel I-beams like two stories high, roped off with yellow tapes, wanting to stay away.
		And it's a one-story structure where some of the beams came down.
		And these are steel girders that collapsed.
		When they fractured, it was like a flow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were at the site of the collapse telescope?
unidentified		Yes, we went beyond the tape where you weren't supposed to go, and we went in underneath the debris.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And we're looking at this antenna was on two posts.
unidentified		It had these, in other words, this antenna could only go north and south, and it took the rotation of the Earth from west to east.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		That was the only way it could move.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And on the night of the collapse, there was no storm.
unidentified		In other words, that was reported in the paper was on a calm windless night.
		So we look at one of the things, and you could see, and this was no dismantling of the antenna at the time.
		And you're looking down at these big bolts, and you could see where each one was cut, where you could see where it started on the bolt and cut the nuts with like a laser beam.
		Everyone was cut.
		Like sabotaged, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And at a later date, I had talked to a woman where these radio astronomers eat in a luncheon night.
		I went in there.
		And I asked her, was there anyone working the night of that collapse?
		And they brought out this elderly woman from the rear.
		And she says, I was.
		I said, can you tell me what went on that night?
		She told me the man's name.
		I won't mention it on the air because I don't know if it would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably better not to.
unidentified		I guess I won't because I'm afraid that would cause some kind of problem.
		That's fine.
		And she said he came up and he mentioned there's something going on down at the antenna.
		She said it was like in a panic and she wouldn't further elaborate.
		I went into this.
		This was after the incident I'm going to tell you about.
		I went to the administrative building and I had learned that that date, that antenna was going to be hooked up with radio telescopes all around the world.
		And when they had made the connections, it was going to effectively you would have a telescope twice the diameter of the Earth.
		So I think, so what happened was, looking back on it now, I think it was taken out by the extraterrestrial for whatever reason this was going to be used.
		I have spoken to one of the radio telescope astronomers, and he says that they also used it at that time to track Russian submarines.
		It had a dual purpose for these antennas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is true that you can put telescopes together and obtain a much larger-than-life picture by magnitude as you hook them up.
		That's true.
		So you think something stepped in and you saw the proof.
		You saw something like a laser beam that cut through these steel beams.
unidentified		Well, no, I didn't see what I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't see it happen, but you didn't see it.
unidentified		I did see it happen, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you saw the results of it, though.
unidentified		Of it, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it you had a chemcorder with you, so you filmed some of that.
unidentified		Yes, I did.
unidentified		I camcorded it too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What have you done with that film?
unidentified		I still have that, but, you know, I have never been able to find...
		And because of our encounters, we didn't get into the next morning at 4.30 in the morning.
		We could not account for all our time.
		Yet, from the excitement of the ensuing encounters we had with UFO, we had multiple encounters.
		It was printed in the Mufon UFO Journal of 1990.
		Dr. McAvey did an analysis on the video.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he did?
unidentified		Yes, along with other videos from Florida, Gulf Breeze.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you had missing time?
unidentified		Yes.
		I wasn't even conscious of missing time because I never felt so alive and excited from what I witnessed.
		You know, realizing that we're not alone in this universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you think, on the one hand, you saw what you wanted to see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wanted something like this to happen, but you maintain that it was very real nevertheless.
unidentified		Yes.
		In other words, I had always wished I would see a UFO and never realized it.
		And this was on the day there wasn't a cloud in the sky.
		So the next day, it's 9.30 in the morning.
		We're heading back.
		We joked around about aliens cutting this thing down, half believing, half joking, you know.
		So when we're heading back to New York City, my brother and his wife were in a rolling car.
		We had a CB hookup between us.
		We're five miles outside of the town of Parsons in West Virginia on Route 19, heading north, going back to New York, Long Island.
		Yes.
		And as we're making a turn, the oldest tree in West Virginia was on the right.
		As we just, we make a right-angle turn, and there's a range of mountains right ahead.
		They're almost like on a 45-degree angle going up.
		When my brother saw something come down and hover over the mountain, he brings it to my attention.
		He says, You see that?
		He says, it doesn't look like a helicopter and it doesn't look like a plane.
		Let's pull the car over and take a look.
		So as I'm looking at this thing from arm's length, it looked like the size, an arm's length, the size of a P. It was brown, and it seemed to be emitting something into atmosphere, brownish, like with spraying something, three times the length of his body.
		And while I'm getting a fix on it, before I get out of the car, this thing disappears.
		So I doubted my senses.
		I get out of the car.
		And my brother brings to my attention.
		He says, look at that contrail above.
		It's like a J. It's a vertical, like a J contrail.
		I said, well, whatever that was, it went up into the stratosphere, you know?
		So I look over his shoulder, and what's coming down out of the sky is bigger than the moon, it's this cold, it was a UFO coming down, and clouds swirling on the circumference of it, like in a storm.
		And it was so dramatic, it had this, that if you place Jesus in it, in that luminescent disk, it would look, you know, it was just stunning to see it visually, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I could tell it was spinning from the turning of the clouds like a storm right around it.
		And I think I was looking at the underside of it because all of a sudden this thing appeared over trees.
		It was a silver, it looked like a beehive, like convoluted, like, you know, undulating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we're kind of short on time here.
unidentified		Okay, and so my brother had binoculars.
		He said he thought leading windows on the side.
		What happened is we continue on our trip.
		We're going into Maryland, 19.
		I look to my right.
		I see this little P-shaped thing coming again.
		And all of a sudden, it increased to the size of a golf ball.
		And I noticed it didn't have a 3D look to it.
		And if you draw a circle like five feet in diameter, it was shimmering.
		So I said to myself, this is like a projected image, a manipulated image.
		So I get out of the car, I have the camcorder.
		I turn to my left, and I'm looking at a UFO across the reds of a VW.
		It was a metallic brown.
		I could see dark windows on it, and I couldn't tell if it was spinning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty close up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got this on film?
unidentified		No, I didn't catch...
		You know, because I knew I was looking something from another universe, you know.
		It was just like an instinctive thought.
		But then I felt like a connection with it, you know, not threatened or anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we're going to have to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So anything else you want to add?
unidentified		Another one, after that disappeared like a luminescent, then as I grabbed the camera again to record it, after I got in the car, a gray one was there and right across the road, like three feet, was hovering two feet off the road.
		And, you know, from then on, back to New York City, we didn't have a further incidence.
		But later on in the year, I had helicopters hovering over the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but the film you got, the video you got, was examined by Bruce McAbee's.
unidentified		That's correct.
		Yes, sir.
		Bruce McAbee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he verified the authenticity of what you did.
unidentified		Yes, he said it was not a hoax, that it was an aerial phenomenon.
unidentified		You know, he can't identify it as exoterational in origin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But aerial phenomena of an unknown origin.
		All right, good enough.
		Well, that's the kind of thing that's going to be covered with those kind of witnesses.
		I mean, that man is now a retired fireman, so there you have it.
		It's the kind of thing going to be covered by ABC in the coming special on the 24th.
		So many stories like that.
		You're on the Air Coast to Coast A. I'm with Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Gene from Gloried, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Gene.
unidentified		Pleasure to talk to you again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
unidentified		Well, I sent you an email and had some stories I wanted to share with you.
unidentified		And I don't tell very many people these stories because I just freak people out when I tell them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fry me.
unidentified		Well, this all started.
		I'm a fireman.
		I'm retired.
		I'm also a sound mind, believe me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another fireman, all right?
unidentified		Another fireman.
		And back in my rookie career, I'd worked an accident where we had to transport a guy about 40 miles to the closest hospital.
		And he had been in a single car rollover, and he had coded on us.
		So I did CPR on him for 40 minutes in the back of the ambulance.
		Got him into the hospital, and I was exhausted.
		I mean, it just...
		It is.
		It's a rough deal.
		So the hospital crew's working him, and I'm leaned up against the wall in the ER, and I kind of saw somebody out of the corner of my eye.
		I looked, and there's a guy standing next to me, and he goes, I wish they'd just leave me alone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		And I said, excuse me?
unidentified		I said, I just wish they would just let me go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		And the doctor that was working, he looked at me, and you can just tell he saw the same thing.
		And that's when he called the coat.
		He says, that's it.
		We can't do anymore.
		And I was freaked out.
		There was a physician assistant there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did the two of you discuss this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How could you not?
unidentified		Yes, we did.
		And I am just spooked.
		I'm like ready just to hit the ceiling.
		I didn't know what to think.
		Because the guy was wearing the same clothes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The man that you saw, was that the man you worked on?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was him.
		Did he look in any way less than fully visibly human?
		Was there anything ghostly about him?
unidentified		No, not at all.
		He looked just like anybody else, and the clue was he was a big guy.
		He was over six feet, very obese.
		The clothes, he was wearing a Hawaiian shirt and white pants and sandals.
		And, I mean, I put two and two together, and, you know, the doc and I went up to the cafeteria.
		This is, you know, 2 o'clock in the morning.
		And he told me he sees people all the time, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God, if that happened to me, I'd be the one needing CPR.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		And I was so freaked out, I left there, and I didn't even bother cleaning myself up.
		I'm still covered with this guy's, you know, blood.
		And I wasn't living at home.
		I had an apartment.
		I went to my mom and dad's house because I was so freaked out.
		At 3 o'clock in the morning, they answered the door.
		I'm covered with blood.
		They think I'm in an accident.
		And I was up all night.
		I couldn't sleep for days.
		And I went back and talked to the same doctor again.
		He said he started seeing people in his residency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I wonder how many healthcare professionals have had this experience.
unidentified		There are quite a few.
		And it's kind of a taboo thing, believe me, because this happened over and over and over to me for over 23 years.
		And it got to be where I could tell where somebody was going to make it and they weren't because they didn't go with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because they didn't go with you?
unidentified		Yeah, we'd go into a house, start CPR, work on somebody.
		I'd see them sitting over there in a chair or hovering around us, you know, standing around and never see them again.
		So I'm sure they're not going to go with us.
		They were separated and they're not back in their body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were there ever any people that you saw that went back and ended up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
unidentified		Yes.
		Yes.
		And those were the ones I knew that were going to make it, you know, because they would wind up in the ambulance with us.
		I'd see them at the emergency room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you see dead people?
unidentified		I've seen dead people.
		And it didn't happen all the time, but it happened so much, Art, that it was the norm for me.
		In fact, I was on an accident that involved some teenagers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, we're coming up on a break here, so can you hold on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, he sees dead people.
		All right.
		He talks to them.
		Oh, now that one, that's for the books.
		All right.
		Any other healthcare professionals out there?
		Any of you get to see the people you've been working on from the high deserts in the nighttime?
		I'm Arbell, and this, of course, is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		nothing else like it in the world the I've got to ride, ride like a wind, to be free again.
		Oh.
		Time, time, see what's become of me.
		Time, time, time, see what's become of me.
		While I looked around for my possibilities, I was so hard to please.
		The ground is a brown and sky.
		It's a hazy shade of winter.
		Here's a salvation only plan.
		Down by the sun is down in the other island.
		What you've got planned?
		Carrying up in your hand.
		The ground is a brown and the sky is a hazy shade of winter.
		Wanna take a ride?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		We specialize in rides, and we're definitely getting one this morning.
		If you've got a story that's up and rivals what you've been hearing tonight, then you just got the numbers, and we want to hear from you.
		It's Coast to Coast AM, weekend version, and we're only about halfway there.
unidentified		So let's keep it right where you've got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This man, an emergency medical worker, really does see dead people.
		Welcome back, sir.
		Hi.
		I don't know.
		Your call hit me so hard, I'll remember this call forever and ever.
		All the rest of my life, I think.
unidentified		You know, that's the reaction I get from people.
		I tell them, and that's why I don't tell a lot of people, because it really kind of freaks them out.
		And out of all the people I worked with at the department, there was only two other people that saw these things too.
		That I know about.
		And at first it kind of freaks you out, and then after a while, it's just part of the job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it one of those things where you really do actually almost get used to it?
unidentified		Yeah, you do.
unidentified		In case in point, I was going to tell you about this car accident involving some kids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And we had two that were obviously gone when we got there in the front seat.
		It was a small car.
		I think it was a Bolshevik and Jetto burst a Dodge van, hit on.
		And there was a girl in the back seat.
		She was conscious, broken bones.
		I'm in the back seat working with her.
		And there was a girl outside banging on the window, yelling and screaming.
		And I'm looking at her, and it's her.
		And she kept saying, my sister, my sister.
		And I'm like, you know, okay, you know, I just figured maybe she was out of her body, need to go back in her body.
		She kept saying her sister, sister.
		Well, she went unconscious, and we transferred her to the hospital.
		She came conscious again.
		She kept, you know, yelling for another girl's name.
		And later I found out this was her twin sister that had died two years before in a car accident about three or four blocks away from where that had happened.
		So she saw her sister.
		I saw her sister.
		And her sister is panicking, wanting us to make sure that we're doing everything we're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No wonder you couldn't figure it out.
unidentified		Yeah, I was confused.
unidentified		And I just figured I was seeing the normal, okay, they're out of their body, they're in their body type experience, and kind of find out it was her sister that had passed on two years prior.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, from seeing all of this so many times, what do you conclude about the nature of life and death?
unidentified		Oh, I think all the people that mostly I dealt with, I think they actually passed over.
		I don't know if there's people that are roaming around.
		Listening to your show has really been an eye-opener for me, and I just started listening on XM, so I don't feel like I'm so isolated and I'm a freak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're not.
unidentified		You know, and a lot of people see these things.
		But most of the people that I dealt with, it was serious trauma.
		It wasn't people that had died from like emphysema.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something you knew about from a lot of people.
unidentified		Yeah, it was, so I think they were prepared.
		I think it was the sudden shock of trauma, and I think they're just like instantly kicked out of their body to protect them.
		I don't know.
		But I think they know that somehow they have figured it out, and that's the ones that want to go ahead and pass on.
		I don't know if they're still lingering around someplace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did these people, once the dialogue with you was done, did the apparition just disappear?
unidentified		Gone.
		Gone.
		It's like, you know, they're there one second and gone the next.
		And there were several times where I would see them at a scene.
		I would see them in our ambulance.
		Then I would see them at the ER.
		And not only that, but I would also see other people that would, I have figured out through the years, these were relatives that were coming to take them home.
		They would meet us at the hospital.
		And these people weren't like the hysterical, grieving, oh my God, what happened?
		They're the ones, oh, so-and-so is here.
		Can you tell me where they're at?
		Or how are they?
		Are they going to make it?
		They're very calm, very congenial.
		They're not the ones.
		Most family members are just wigged out when they hit the hospital.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, going back to the first story you told, I mean, there must have come a moment where you and that doctor sat down and talked about the man who had just complained about being worked on for too long.
unidentified		I sat down with that doctor and that PA on three different occasions because I was just so wigged out over this whole thing.
		I just couldn't sleep.
		I wasn't sure if I needed a psychologist.
		And they assured me that they saw him also, and this was a very common occurrence for them.
		Not all health workers see him.
		Not everybody sees him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that doctor did, anyway.
unidentified		He did, and that's why he called the code.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Called the code.
unidentified		Because he knew that this guy wanted to give up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really appreciate your call, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		There's one for the books for sure.
		And my guess is that because of that call, we're going to get other health care workers calling.
		But maybe there really is something to all of this.
		Maybe there really is something beyond the physical life.
		Well, the only and best evidence that you're allowed to get for that is being told to you this morning.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi.
		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		My first name is Debbie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Debbie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Debbie, you've got a story for us, don't you?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fire away.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I'm a nurse, and I was working midnight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another health care worker.
unidentified		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said another health care worker.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, you know, it happens to all of us.
		And I was making rounds.
		It was midnights, and I was making rounds.
		And this gentleman was really very well.
		He was supposed to go home the next morning.
		And I walked into his room, and he had been sleeping all night long, and he appeared to not be breathing.
		So I put my right hand on his chest just to see if there was any movement there.
		And I looked up at the clock because just by the way he had looked, I figured I was going to have to call a code.
		Once I put my hand on his chest and I looked up at the clock, I couldn't move.
		I became like paralyzed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You couldn't move.
unidentified		I could not move.
		I couldn't move at all.
		I was struggling to make any kind of sound, a call for help.
		My right hand was on his chest.
		My left arm, I could not move it from my body.
		I couldn't move my feet.
		I tried to turn.
		I tried to yell for help.
		I could not move at all.
		And all these things are running through my mind like I'm going to get sued first and foremost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess.
unidentified		You know, hey, someone's going to walk by, see me just standing here, and this man's not breathing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so you were paralyzed, actually.
unidentified		I was paralyzed.
		I could not move.
		I wasn't short of breath, but I couldn't speak.
		I could not move.
		And my heart is just panicking and racing, and I'm stuck staring at this wall with my hand on this man's chest.
		And this went on for it seems like an eternity, but it was about three to four minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think he was dead?
unidentified		I believe he was dead, yes.
		I'm sure he was dead.
		And then all of a sudden, he shook and his bed shook very violently, just like almost like an earthquake had affected that bed.
		It just shook very violently.
		He sat straight up and grabbed my right hand, the one that was on his chest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful.
unidentified		And he said, Debbie, where was I when you walked in the room?
		And I said, you were right here in bed.
		And he said, no, no, I wasn't.
		I was over by the window, which is where I started looking.
		He said, I was over by the window yelling for you, hold on to me.
		I don't want to go.
		I'm not ready.
		Hold on to me.
		You were looking right at me.
		And you held on to me and you kept me here.
		And I'm like, okay.
		And then his roommate heard all the noise from the bed.
		And Seth said, what are you guys doing over there?
		And so that's my story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's one whale of a story.
		Oh, it's awful.
		The only time anything like that ever happened to you as a nurse then.
unidentified		Yes.
		Because I didn't tell anybody for a long time because it was very weird.
		It still kind of gives me, makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck.
		But it's kind of weird to be part of somebody else's, I don't know if it's a near-death or out-of-body experience or both because he was floating above the room and could see me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder.
		I wonder what purpose you really served.
		What did you do when you had your hand on his chest?
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		He felt I was holding him down, but I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or holding him in.
unidentified		Holding him in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God.
unidentified		He said he was just yelling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Debbie.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very, very much for the call.
		There's another health care worker for you.
		Yeah, I'll remember these for a while.
		Wild Card line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Art?
unidentified		us i was going about A lady called in about strange creatures she had seen out in the desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, yes.
		She described them in quite some gruesome detail.
		Apparently, genetic experiments of some sort.
unidentified		Well, my brother was on the clean-up crew that was charged with picking those up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your brother was on the clean-up crew.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it your brother told you?
unidentified		He told me that there are some very strange and very disgusting genetic mutations that have escaped from research labs all over the U.S. And he said they're just horrifying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I don't like this at all.
		I live out in the desert, as you well know.
		I don't want to run into anything like that.
		And hopefully I won't.
		Was your brother successful?
		Did they clean up all of them?
		Or are there still more of them roaming out in the desert?
unidentified		They had about a 20% success rate in finding them all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful.
		So that means 80% of them are out there still all over the country.
		Maybe that accounts for an awful lot of what people have been seeing.
		These strange creatures that people swear they see, deformed, weird creatures.
unidentified		I'm fairly sure they do.
unidentified		The rabbit in particular with the head coming out of its neck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I've seen pictures of those, and I don't know the reason for it, but it's just some follow up is what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will your brother talk?
unidentified		Well, right now he's doing some kind of deal.
unidentified		He's on the job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's on the job, but I mean, is he somebody who could be talked into spilling his guts?
unidentified		Well, he does every so often on some chat rooms with some of my friends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chat rooms, huh?
		Well, I'll tell you what.
		You have a talk with your brother.
		Tell him I want to talk to him.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if he's willing to talk, we'll get him on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's that?
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very, very much for the call, and take care.
		So there's something, many somethings, out there scurrying about the desert.
		Great.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
		Turn your radio off, please, if it's on.
		Good.
		What is your first name?
unidentified		Laura.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Laura.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Laura, you've got a bit of a story for us, huh?
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fire away.
unidentified		All right.
		Well, it was in the spring of 74.
		My husband and I and my three-year-old daughter were coming home from visiting family on the farm.
		And we were on a, you know, pretty rural road.
		It's outside of Chicago, Illinois.
		It's Harlem, and Route 30 back then, it was really rural.
		Not so much anymore.
		But we were at a stoplight heading north on Harlem.
		And we were just, you know, we had got the light.
		We were just waiting to go, and the light turns green.
		And my husband, you know, steps on the gas, and we're moving forward.
		And then out of nowhere, just to the left of us, this car is, you know, going through the red light.
		And I'm looking at the car, and I know we're going to be hit.
		He was that close.
		I could see his face, you know, through the windshield, and I could see that he didn't have any passengers through our car door where my husband was sitting.
		You could just see, and we were going to be hit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's that instant of knowing just before.
unidentified		There was this, you know, it was just, you know, he was going to hit us.
		And I know I turned because my daughter was very precious, and I just turned towards her, and I said, oh, God, please let her.
		You know, don't let her get hurt.
		And I turned back, and everything got very watery again.
		It was like I was looking through water, and the car went through us.
		I could see his interior.
		I could see him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I've heard these kinds of stories before that all of a sudden the vehicle just, instead of hitting, passes through like it wasn't the right time or something for this to happen.
		And so it doesn't happen.
		Instead, it passes through.
		And you say you could see him and his interior as it passed through.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		And the other thing is, I felt our front end kind of lift, like from the force of the impending collision.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You know, these are things that, you know, 30 years later let you know that, you know, it really did occur because, you know, they were just so unusual.
		So the next thing I know is I'm looking at his license plate, you know, through the window on the passenger side and he's still speeding.
		He didn't hit his brake until after he was, I guess what you'd say, he hit us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or should have hit you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, he braked after he passed through you.
unidentified		Right.
		He didn't have any reaction to it.
		He just hit it, it brakes, and he stopped somewhere down the road.
		And people came running up to us, other cars, and they're screaming, we saw you get hit, we saw you got hit.
		And my husband and I, we were just like, you know, we were just like totally freaked out.
		We were just so stunned.
		And people, you know, they ran up to us and they're looking and they realized we're not damaged, we're not hit.
		They realized something was wrong.
		You know, we weren't, you know, smeared all over the road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which you probably should have been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so not only did you see this happen, but there were other witnesses who saw what should have happened.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did any of the witnesses describe the crash that didn't happen or the meshing of the vehicles in the way you described?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they see it that way or how did they see it?
unidentified		Well, I think I can remember two things very distinctly.
		One was this one man that came up to us and he was like literally howling, I saw him hit you, I saw him hit you.
		And then he just gets this really stun-look, like the realization hit him.
		And he's just like, how, why?
		You know, he just was like standing back and other people are standing back.
		And I think it was like collectively we kind of realized something very strange happened.
		And, you know, people just were looking at us like we were terribly strange.
		And at the guy down, you know, he was a bit farther down the road, the one who should have hit us or did hit us.
		And he got out of his car and he just was looking stunned and got in his car and drove off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think happened?
unidentified		It's been 30 years and I haven't thought of it greatly a lot.
unidentified		In fact, only in the last two years I've heard it twice, other stories like mine on yours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have had other stories like that.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		and i was done that you know i mean i was just so surprised other people had had it it was like Do you think it was something that somehow got twisted out of what was supposed to happen and therefore it didn't?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or do you see what I'm getting at?
unidentified		sometimes feel it's an intervention of some sort.
unidentified		I don't know if you want to say a miracle or you know, just...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure they would.
unidentified		But see, I'm not really comfortable with saying just strictly miracle because I'm not that terribly religious.
		But I do know I've had that watery, seeing watery, looking through water, and other things have occurred.
		And so I know that this is something that happens to me once in a while.
		And all I can tell you is that we should have died.
		We didn't.
		There were people who saw it.
		I know my husband and I, we couldn't even drive for a good deal of time.
		We managed to make it across the intersection because we had stopped literally in the middle of the intersection.
		And we pulled over, and I know that we were just both sitting there.
		He couldn't drive anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, listen, I understand that.
		I've had, you know, in my day, a few accidents.
		And after an accident, you are, for a while, at the very least, you're a very different kind of driver.
		You've had a shock.
		And so you drive very differently.
		But if something like what you just described happened, I could understand you wouldn't drive at all.
		Thank you very, very much.
		I'm going to pause here, Bob and Dell.
		Remember, I do have a special line open tonight for those who have made a pact with the devil.
		And I'm going to try to be a little more diligent in answering that line.
		So, area code 775-727-1222 for people who've made a pact with the devil.
		We want to know how it's going.
		775-727-1222 if you made a deal with the devil.
		From the high deserts in the nighttime, I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		I was on the street, I was talking to a man.
		He said, so my brother's love of mine.
		I was talking to a man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was talking to a man.
		Here's the night.
		Here are the numbers.
unidentified		To talk with Art Bell.
		Call the wildcard line at area code 775-727-1295.
		The first-time caller line is area code 775-727-1222.
		To talk with Art Bell from east of the Rockies, call toll-free at 800-825-5033.
		From west of the Rockies, call 800-618-8255.
		International callers may reach Art by calling your in-country sprint access number, pressing option 5, and dialing toll-free 800-893-0903.
		From coast to coast, and worldwide on the internet.
		This is coast to coast a.
		With our bell, it is.
		and then there was a crash in the night the All right, let's go back to our Let's Make a Deal line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air, coast to coast a.m., on a very early Monday morning.
unidentified		How you doing?
unidentified		Good, how are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm all right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name only?
unidentified		Charles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Charles.
		Okay.
		It doesn't have to be a real one necessarily.
		Charles, you made a deal with the devil?
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You made a deal with the devil, Charles?
unidentified		I did in residence school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In residence school?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were studying to become a doctor?
unidentified		Yes, I was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what caused you it's very important, I guess, to understand what would cause a person to make a deal with the devil.
unidentified		I didn't realize I was going to make a deal.
		I didn't try.
		What was going on is I was in school, trying to get through my grades and having issues.
		Staying up late at night and doing everything I could to study, and before I knew it, something weird just happened.
		I can't even put it into words.
		And I feel as though I must have made a deal with the devil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your grades improved.
unidentified		They did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Um and this was how long ago now?
unidentified		About three years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About three years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh, how's it gone since?
unidentified		Well, it went well for a while.
unidentified		I graduated, but am no longer a doctor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're no longer a doctor?
unidentified		No.
		I was able to graduate and become a doctor, and then it just kind of led me down a different path.
		And now I'm actually thinking about going to go study law.
		In fact, I actually have a friend that was in residence school with me, who I don't believe had anything like this happened to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any concern at all for when the loan is called, so to speak?
unidentified		I'm sorry?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any concern at all for the moment when the loan is called, so to speak?
unidentified		Not really, no.
		Not now.
		I feel as though, actually, I have nothing to worry about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so you're comfortable with the deal you made and you feel as though it's going okay and you don't worry about final payment?
unidentified		I don't, not now.
unidentified		Just being kind of young, 29, don't really feel as though I have anything it's going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Charles, I tell you, Charles, the years fly by, buddy.
unidentified		They sure do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You have a good night.
		Made a deal with the devil.
		Not worried at all, because, well, he's only 29.
		He's going to be a lawyer.
		Maybe that's the deal called.
		Good morning.
		You're on coast to coast AM.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's your first name?
unidentified		Kimberly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kimberly.
		uh...
		kimberly i think you have a story about You know, we had a big, long Mel's hole saga here on the program.
unidentified		I know.
		And when I was listening last night, and you were asking for stories, and I thought, gee, I wonder if Iret would like to hear about my hole.
		And I thought, well, don't be ridiculous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I like stories about holes.
		Believe me, I do.
		So where, pray tell, is the hole in your life?
unidentified		Well, I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba, up in the northern latitudes.
		And my ancestry on my father's side goes back to the 1700s.
		He came from England, a single man.
		He went to the colonies back then so you could own land and, you know, have a future, especially if you weren't the first son.
		So he came out, he made his way out to the prairies, and back in the 1700s, it was called Lower Fort Gary.
		And that's what became later on Winnipeg.
		And he served at the fort, and he went on many expeditions up into the North Country.
		And around here at that time, the natives were friendly.
		It wasn't a warlike people.
		They were nomadic.
		And my grandfather, great, I don't know how many great times he was, my grandfather met them.
		And of course, you would hear lots of legends and stories.
		And traveling up further north, he had heard of an opening in the ground where the natives said it was where the earth spirits dwelt and that they would come out at times and they would hear things and very afraid too.
		I think at times men that wanted to say that they were brave or even children would spend the night there as youngsters.
		So my grandfather got one of the men to show him this.
		And not going into any other detail for whatever reason, he decided to stake up some property that encompassed that area.
		And he also owned a lot of land which became later Winnipeg.
		But through our heritage, you know, the land was sold off.
		And my father's family did spread out across the country and some are in the States now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how did you get to this whole thing?
unidentified		Well, it came down through inheritance.
		My father's the my we stayed in Manitoba, like myself.
		My brother ended up going out east.
		My father was born in Manitoba, so we stayed here.
		So, through inheritance, there was just only about eight acres left of the land.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, when did you first go to this place?
unidentified		Well, as a youngster, we had heard a lot of stories, but we weren't allowed, we would go camping, and we were shown where the original homestead was.
		It was by then, and now you need to see some foundation, and it's very bushy.
		One thing about Manitoba.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you return to this place if you had to?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah, easily.
		Because, well, if you're not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, go ahead and describe, if you would, the whole we're talking about here.
unidentified		Okay.
		I haven't seen it for a few years, but what I remember as a child, when my brother and I would, we were allowed by the time we were old enough.
		I mean, when you were young, you were not allowed to go near the thing.
		Until we were about maybe 13 or 14, then we were supposedly supposed to be smart enough, you know, not to do anything stupid.
		But now, I saw it a couple years ago, but it's about probably closer to 30 feet.
		It's very round.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		30-foot-round hole.
unidentified		Yeah, and it's over the years, the family has just let it get bushy.
		I don't know if you can see it from there.
		I don't know.
		I mean, that's a fair-sized hole.
		The walls are, I had said to you on the phone earlier, like a marble.
		And my daughter was listening, and she said, Mom, you don't know that's marble.
		And I said, well, yeah, I know, but the only way I could describe it was...
		Yeah, it was like a creamy color.
		And for as old, I don't know how old it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That implies very smooth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying it was very smooth?
unidentified		Smooth.
unidentified		Just like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just marble-like smoothness all the way around a 30-foot hole.
unidentified		And I remember as a youngster, like then the grass and the bush had grown right to the edge.
		And you'd look down and you'd see the cream colors far.
		And so I remember as a kid thinking, well, you know how you bang on things with rocks and, you know, you try and gouge out stuff.
		And you can't do that with this.
		In fact, like the rock would break.
		And I remember my brother and I would be digging around and say, well, let's see how thick, if this is a wall or is it like some part of the rock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what a kid would do.
unidentified		Yeah, but in Manitoba, you do get rocks aren't like green colors.
		How far back did you get?
		It was about two feet thick.
		So then we figure out where the edge came to after pulling the dirt and the solid away, and then we started going down on, like, you know what I mean, on the other side, the outside part of the hole?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The rim.
		Yes.
		And, well, as kids, you got tired pretty fast of digging deep.
		It was like that on both sides, almost like, I guess you'd call it like a sewer pipe going down.
		But it was made out of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you threw things into it like all kids would, right?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Like each summer you would go and you'd think, well, what can we take this time?
		You know, a flashlight, a rope.
		And one time my brother was thinking, well, you know, tie me to the rope and lower me down.
		And he's the older one, eh?
		And I go, are you nuts?
		Like, no way.
		Because you hear scary stories as a youth.
		Well, I know.
		The poor little girl who was lowered into the hole.
		Like, he had, I don't know, 100 feet of rope and he's going to tie it to the tree.
		And I said, no, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you actually throw flashlights in there?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Flashlights?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And did you hear him bang on the bottom?
unidentified		No, no.
unidentified		And we would get big things like trunks and trees and just anything we could carry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And throw them in.
unidentified		The funny, well, there was a lot of funny things about Pless's stories, but as I was telling you earlier, that about within maybe 50 yards of the whole circumference, it was all bush, but it was quiet.
		You couldn't hear any birds.
		You couldn't hear any squirrels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No nature.
unidentified		No nature, right?
		Not even bugs.
		It was like you crossed this invisible line.
		And really creepy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, already, if you had to go back to this hole today, you could do it.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		It's okay.
		It's a walk-in, okay?
		You know what you call a walk-in?
		There's no road, like, you can get to the edge of the property.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a how-far walk-in.
unidentified		Oh, okay, you're 80 acres.
unidentified		You're probably looking an hour walk-in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it an hour walk-in?
		That's a pretty good walk.
		Okay, is this something still owned by your family?
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		And the funny part is that a lot of the cousins now, they think it's a myth because, well, because he let the story go.
		And you keep it private.
		And I know a couple of times when I was a youngster, finding mutilated animals.
		Outside the circumference of the quiet zone, like rabbits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, out of the zone where there was no nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So just far enough.
unidentified		Inside the edge there, you'd find maybe a rabbit.
		But the funny thing was, like, it would have its organs placed out.
		And one night we were really, I guess we were brave, I don't know, or so used to it that we slept near it.
		And because even the natives said they could hear the earth spirit sing.
		And I will always remember this, but you could hear, I don't know if it was a humming or just a very, almost you couldn't hear it, but you could feel it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A machine-like noise?
unidentified		Yeah, like maybe mechanical, I don't know, but it you could feel it in your body even, like vibrating.
		And my ancestors had always said they'd see lights up in the sky sometimes, like not ships, I don't know, but they were dots of light.
		I mean, back then, too, like 100 years ago, you didn't think of things moving around.
		They just called them lights.
		You know, lights in space.
		I never saw those myself, but I have heard the noise.
		I've seen the dead animals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have to ask this.
		Even a child, what would possess a child to sleep inside the no-nature area or near the rim?
		Sounds like a rim, the way you described it, of this hole in the ground where there had been mutilated animals.
		I mean, that would be just too scary.
		How would you, as a kid, get up enough guts to do that?
unidentified		A lot of it was, I had a lot of cousins growing up.
		And a lot of it was you did things on a jerk.
		I don't remember lasting the whole night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't even be lasting a half an hour.
unidentified		No, and of course, I was in your sister, and I could do anything my brother could do.
		I do remember laying awake shaking.
		You know, like just everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sounds more like it, yes.
unidentified		Like, never saying I was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've been always fascinated by holes, and you have an absolutely fascinating one, and you say you can get to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I were to come to you privately, I have your information here, and wish to take a trip to this hole, would that be possible?
unidentified		Well, I'd have to talk to the family, you know, because it is so private.
		Something that you might be interested in over the years, very rarely has been passed through down the family, are sometimes you would find things left at the edge.
		Like around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, you would find what?
unidentified		Well, I don't know if you call them artifacts or one time.
		We still have it in the family.
		It was like a pyramid, and it was like ebony, like solid ebony, smooth, and it was left near the rim, and it wasn't left standing up like a pyramid.
		It was left on its side.
		And just strange things, like the pieces of this, little metallic things.
		And I don't know if people were trying to communicate with us or if it was.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what.
		You talk to your family.
		I'll be back in touch with you.
		All right?
		You take care.
		And I don't know what it is.
		I guess ever since Mel's Hole, they've held a certain fascination for me.
		And I guess a lot of other people, too, because there's been so much communication about it.
		But these holes seem to have.
unidentified		Well, you heard her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No nature and no living things in a certain radius.
		Mutilated animals outside it.
		A sort of smooth, marble-like, un-nature-like appearance.
		You're on the air coastal coast again with Art Bell.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		Thank you for taking my call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		My name is Jeannie.
		Jeannie, okay.
		When my son Andrew was six years old, on December 25th in 1996, he was on his way to Christmas Mass with his grandmother when a young driver who ran a red light struck the vehicle and deemed Andrew quadriplegic on a ventilator with no movement below his jaw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my.
unidentified		So very similar to the injury that Christopher Reeves had sustained.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The paramedic reports that were obtained later stated that when they arrived on the scene a few minutes after the accident, Andrew had no pulse, no blood pressure, and no respiration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was dead.
unidentified		They did, in fact, start CPR, even though they didn't know actually what was going to happen, and Life Flight was called.
unidentified		They figure that Andrew was without oxygen for approximately four minutes, but he sustained no brain injury whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not possible.
unidentified		This is amazing.
unidentified		After he was life flighted to the trauma center, the docs kept him sedated on a special bed to prevent further spinal cord involvement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		The neurosurgeon stated that Andrew had sustained a life-threatening injury just millimeters away from his brainstem.
		The doctors informed me that the outlook for him was very grim.
		And if he did live, he would never talk due to the placement of an endotracheal tube and stated that he would never be able to eat and would be confined to a bed and not be able to attend school, and he would be homebound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a pretty grim prognosis.
unidentified		Very, very, very grim.
		The firefighters and paramedics were there, though, at the hospital every single day of our 60-day hospital stay until we went to another city to go to rehab.
		Andrew started calling his visitors his angel.
		And his grade school had a fundraiser for us, and they sold Andrew's Angel's cookbooks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so what happened with him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, with such a grim prognosis?
unidentified		Well, several weeks later, we tried to put the story together for Andrew and six-year-old Charms.
		He, at that time, was able to talk, even though he had an endotracheal tube place.
		And he argued with me and said that, no, mom, that he did not ride in the helicopter.
		He rode over it.
		He said that he could see himself as he looked down, and he said that he saw a light, and he saw God and the angels, and he saw his dad.
		Well, his dad had died in a car accident when I was six weeks pregnant with Andrew.
		Andrew never saw his dad.
		I asked him how he knew who his daddy was and who the angels were, and he looked at me and said, Mom, they're wearing name tags.
		Like that was something that everyone should know.
		He described God as a very old man with a long beard and long white dress on, and he told me that his daddy told him to come back to earth because his mommy still needed him.
		A few hours after the accident, I questioned why the accident had to happen on Christmas Day, and someone told me that Andrew was a Christmas miracle for that he was still with us.
		Andrew has A very brave spirit, and I feel that that's because he's seen the other side and he's not scared anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what they all say.
		Sorry for the cliché, but I mean, that is what they all say: you're not afraid of death anymore.
		All right, we're going to hold it there.
		that's not here and uh...
unidentified		she's saying it's a miracle the the
		So would I believe in love?
		Power, there's power, there's really nothing we can do Ain't no good, ain't no good
		Ain't no good There's a lot of heartache and
		everything, but a heartache and a heartache and a woman away, there's a situation that I just can't quit, yeah.
		He's like the old one, and I can hear him.
		I got a lot of those heartaches, I got a lot of those teardrums, heartaches, teardrums, all the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell, and this is post-to-post a.m.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen carefully now.
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		One line of what you've been hearing this morning.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not so sure I'll be sleeping well tonight.
		I don't know about you, but this really has been something.
		More of it in a moment.
		Reminding you, keeping a line open this strange morning for those of you who have actually made a pact with the devil.
		We want to know how the pact is coming, and we want to know how you came and why you came to ask for that pact in the first place.
		So I'm holding a line open for that all by itself.
		And everybody else should just call some other number.
		That number is area code 775-727-1222.
		You made a deal.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Mr. Bill.
unidentified		It's a pleasure to talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		My first name is Bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Bill.
unidentified		And I'm calling from Dallas listening to KLIF.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, the Mighty Cliff.
unidentified		And we're talking to the doctor earlier who he kept asking him, you know, was he worried about payback?
unidentified		I think he told you, he said he was going to become a lawyer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he did.
		He said he was going to become a lawyer.
		That's exactly right.
		Studying for medical school.
unidentified		So that was the payback.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it kind of struck me the same way, too.
unidentified		Well, I have kind of, I don't know if this was an incredible hoax or what exactly happened, but this goes back to 1991.
		And I'm an attorney and had an appointment to write a will.
		And a lady comes in, an elderly lady, just as sweet as could be.
		I mean, she was like everyone's grandmother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you do will and probate work?
unidentified		I do some, you know, it's not my primary work, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At least some of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if somebody comes to you for something like that, I guess you, you know.
unidentified		Yeah, if it's not real complex with a lot of testamentary wills and testamentary trust and things like that, then I used to do quite a bit.
unidentified		But anyway, this lady came in, she had an appointment, that she'd never written a will before, and that she was going on a trip, and that she'd never flown, and she thought it'd be a good idea to write a will, which is pretty common.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And so she told me that her husband had died several years before, really didn't have a very big estate, had a house and a car and a little bit of savings.
		And she listed her oldest son as executor and basically left the estate equally to her children.
		Say nothing about it.
		So anyway, it took a couple of days to do the will, and she said she was in a hurry because she was going on a trip.
		And she came back in and texted you have to have at least two witnesses to do a will.
		And so it was paralegal.
		And the secretary came in and with an overregion.
		She executed it.
		And I asked her some questions about being a fan of mine.
		And she was just robust.
		She was just as nice and sweet as could be.
		Anyway, didn't say anything about it, got her the original will and took the over in the file.
		And then several months later, I got a call from another attorney and said he was representing this estate.
		And I said, Oh, did she pass away?
		Because I remembered her.
		And he said, Yeah, he said, But we're having a real problem with this with your will.
		And I said, Well, what's the problem with it?
		And he said, Well, you executed it three days after she died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		And I didn't know there was incredible hoax because this woman was not a ghost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're sure about the date that you put on the wedding?
unidentified		Because, I mean, you have the notary, and, of course, I have an appointment, and it's pretty well documented.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I'm curious how this as time went on, I mean, did this ever reach a courtroom, for example?
unidentified		Well, the estate was, and it did.
		In fact, I had to go talk to the judge about it because, really, they thought I'd made an error or it was a bogus will.
		And basically, I talked to the probate judge and just told him this lady came in, and I assumed that's who she was.
		Oh, gosh.
		And that, quite frankly, she really didn't need a will because it wasn't that complex, so they didn't really have to do an estate.
		I think they actually transferred the property by doing the lady.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The lady who had appeared to you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Surely as time went on, you were able to get a description of this lady who had died for a year.
unidentified		Oh, yes, yeah.
		It matched perfectly.
		Even the demeanor.
		I mean, you know, because I described how she acted, and they said, well, yeah, that sure seemed like her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, brother.
unidentified		And, of course, I never saw her again.
		So it was, like I said, at first I thought someone had played an incredible joke on me.
		But I don't think it was, I don't know.
		It's hard to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The judge, did he have fun with you on this one?
unidentified		Well, actually, he said he'd had it happen before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
		I'll tell you.
		Boy, you get on this program and ask for stories, and you do not get disappointed.
		Thank you very, very much.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		All right, so there's an attorney who did a will for a lady who strolled into his office.
		The trouble was she had died three days earlier.
unidentified		God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The evidence that piles up about physical death.
		All these things that we don't understand about that moment of death and that time which comes after incredible stuff.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yeah, good evening, Art.
		This is Beach calling you from Anchorage, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, how you doing, buddy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anchorage, I was once there for three years.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		I saw you there, if you remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At K-E-N-I.
unidentified		That's right, the blowtorch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, anyway, I wanted to relate something about a story that one of your earlier callers called in about.
unidentified		She was, I believe, from Central California and talking about running into this bear-like creature with green fur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		That's right.
		Well, that jogged my memory.
		My grandfather grew up in a town that was about, oh, I'd say 30 to 35 miles north of Bakersfield, California, a little town called Taft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding.
unidentified		No, I'm serious.
unidentified		Out there in the middle of the oil fields.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he was the head of the water company there.
		And the problem with that whole area was that when they tried to drill for water there, they either hid oil or the water was so nasty it was undrinkable.
		So what they ended up having to do is go about 60 miles sort of northeast towards the mountains into the middle of this dry lake bed and drill a whole bunch of wells.
		Yes.
		Okay, that was what we called Pump Station 1.
		All right, so this is, oh, 1960, 61 at the latest.
		I remember one night during the summer I was down there with my grandfather, and I used to ride with him.
		I used to go work with him, you know, did the whole thing.
		And we were heading out towards Pump Station, excuse me, one.
		And in those days, there was just nothing out there.
		This was before Highway 5 was built or anything.
		Okay, so we're going up the Main Hawaii Highway.
		We went through the little towns of Wasco and Shafter.
		That was Pump Station 2.
		And you could see Pump Station 1 out in the middle of this, you know, out in the middle of nowhere out there for miles.
		Sure.
		So we turned off the main highway, heading towards the pump station, and we're probably, it's about a 20-mile road, I'd say, and we're about halfway, and all of a sudden, the same creature stepped right in the middle of the road in front of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By description.
unidentified		By description, it looked a lot like I would describe a bear, except it had green fur.
unidentified		Bright green.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bright green fur.
unidentified		Bright green fur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not normal in nature, as far as I know.
unidentified		Yeah, you know, I was a kid, so I really didn't know any better.
		And I remember my grandfather kind of swore, which is something that he never did in his life.
		And he basically slowed down, and the thing crossed the road, and we ended up going up to the pump station.
		I asked him, what was that?
		And he says, oh, that's the boogeyman for sure.
		And he says, and it likes to play with my pipes.
		Yeah.
		And I mean, I actually saw this thing.
		But on top of that, in the scenery, I don't remember the exact name of this particular dry lake.
		I don't have a USGS map in front of me.
		But, you know, it's about, you know, about 75 miles kind of northeast of Bakersfield.
		And anyway, the other thing I used to do when I was a kid was about a quarter of a mile from the house out there in the oil fields, I used to climb this old wooden oil derrick.
		And I would watch what my grandmother used to call the angel lights up in the same direction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And these were like yellow and purple lights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's kind of like the Marpha lights, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like the Marfa lights.
unidentified		Yeah, and they would kind of circle around this whole area up where this pump station was.
		And later on, come to find out that there's just all kinds of stories that a lot of the workers told about strange things happening up there.
		And I just wonder, is there not a correlation between these dry lake beds And some UFO activity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a very good question.
		Thank you for the story.
		Apparently a lot going on in this American Southwest desert and perhaps earlier parts of California.
		Fascinating.
		You're on the Air Coast Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, hi.
unidentified		Remember that lady that nurse was talking about the elder body, the gentleman that wasn't breathing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe the lady who put her hand on his chest.
		You mean that one?
		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		I was on medication about two years ago, and it was for back pain.
		Now, I was going up the stairs, and I fell down, and my wife came downstairs.
		She looked at me, she put her hand on my chest, I wasn't breathing, I turned purple, and then when she put her hand on my heart, she says, my heart wasn't beating.
		The neighbor next door ran over.
		When he picked me up, I started breathing again.
		This was a matter of four minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Four minutes.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you understand that in most of the world we know about, four minutes would, I think, mean that you would be without much of a functioning brain left.
unidentified		Yeah, and you know what?
		I felt like I was floating, and then when I told my doctor about it, he looked at my medication.
		He goes, oh, he says you're allergic to codeine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that makes two of us, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am too.
unidentified		And I thought, you know, now I'm scared to take any, like, I can't take aspirin or anything because I had a bad disc in my back.
unidentified		I'm calling from Dryden, Ontario in Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would have guessed.
unidentified		So I bake at night, and I listen to your show.
unidentified		You've got a great short.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, and take care.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Georgia, how are you doing?
unidentified		Hi, I'm calling from Seattle area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Good.
		I'm enjoying the show, as always.
		I wanted to state something to you.
		I feel that I have gotten guidance, that in six past lifetimes, I have compromised myself with the devil.
		And in this lifetime, I am a healer, and I have been trying to relieve myself of karma.
		I am a Buddhist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're trying to tell me you made deals with the devil in past lifetimes, but not this one?
unidentified		Not this time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Thank goodness.
		And I am on a path of redeeming myself in this lifetime.
		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just a moment now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said that you believe you have lived many times, up to a half dozen times.
unidentified		Oh, many more than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
unidentified		But I've compromised myself in a half dozen times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, clearly I got that part.
		So here's what I'm worried about.
		If you believe in many lives, as so many people do, and you believe that you've made deals with the devil in all those past lives, then karmically, well, I just don't know about this current lifetime.
unidentified		Yes, in six lifetimes I have.
unidentified		And in this lifetime, I am cleaned up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But my point is, karmically, having made so many deals in past lifetimes, isn't it overwhelming that something's going to happen to you in this one?
unidentified		No, actually, you can go ahead and work against that karma.
		And that's what I'm doing in this lifetime.
		And by trying to help myself and help others and work with sentient beings, I am reducing the karma from past.
		And that's why we're all here.
		We have karma.
		And so we're locked here until we can relieve ourselves of that karma.
		And I was given a guidance this evening, and that's the reason why I'm calling.
		There's something that people can say.
		They have to say it four times.
		And who they would say it to is in their own belief system.
		They would say to whoever represents in their own belief system God.
		they would say in my belief system, I would say Buddha Chitta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But in another...
unidentified		It would be for a person that says God.
		They would say, God, please forgive me for the lives in which I compromised myself.
		And they would say that four times to develop a protocol.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to take, I've got it.
		To take that away.
		All right.
		Well, that wasn't exactly what I was looking for.
		What I'm actually looking for is people who have made deals in this lifetime with the devil.
		I know there's a lot of you out there.
		Father Martin told me there were.
		He told me that, in fact, when he passed them on the street, he recognized them.
		It was easy to tell they had made perfect deals with the devil.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Yeah, so I'm going to tell you what the real story is, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good lord.
unidentified		It is how you continue to gloss over the real news with all this nonsense about satanic rights of people passing their souls on and making deals with the devil.
		You don't believe it?
		You believe that all people don't believe it.
		I do believe people do this.
		I do believe people do this.
		And I'm going to tell you what I believe also.
		I believe that you and your friends that are making deals with the devils, such as the activist judges that are throwing out the cases against pornographers that are trying to destroy America, those people all have made deals with the devil because the pornography industry, there is not enough people out there in this great nation of ours that want to consume this kind of product to even have an industry that has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can you believe that judges have made deals with the devil?
unidentified		Why don't you instead believe that these judges have simply looked at the constitutional device?
unidentified		The First Amendment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, wig out, take a deep breath.
		What about the First Amendment?
		Maybe the judges haven't made deals with the devil at all.
		They're just recognizing their demonstrations.
unidentified		It is an applied pornographers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The First Amendment applies to everybody, being ahead.
unidentified		No, it does not.
		And in fact, the First Amendment has been completely mistranslated.
		It was not meant for people to be able to make the kind of filth that we are seeing pumped out of Hollywood, that sewer of Los Angeles.
		And if people want to know why God is punishing the world, it is because, and God is punishing America, just like Pat Robertson said, it is because of the pornographers, the homosexuals, and the degenerates.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what do you think is going to happen to the pornographers when they die?
unidentified		Hell.
		Wow, I can't wait!
		Because I'm going to be able to tell him I told you so, because they are going to go to hell, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Think so, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		I know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A steamy pit of whatever.
unidentified		The boiling pit of sewage is where they're going.
		Yes.
		You know that.
		Well, that may be created for people like you ain't listening to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		that may be their future indeed but uh...
unidentified		Speak.
		All right.
		What I want to say is that America must, we must stand up against the gay marriage.
		We must stand up against the pornography.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, how is gay marriage?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to know, how is gay marriage going to hurt you?
unidentified		It is attempting to subvert the American family unit.
unidentified		It is attempting to depopulate the American continent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Depopulate the continent?
unidentified		Yes, with these homosexuals running around speaking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But even if it's 10 or 15% of the population and they were to marry and not reproduce, then you might get the same effect because they wouldn't reproduce.
unidentified		But their agenda is not simply to allow the 10 or 15%.
		That is an overestimated and inflated number, by the way.
		They want to convert.
		Well, then that is their agenda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then why are you worried about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it's such a low number, then why are you concerned?
unidentified		Because have you seen these programs on television?
		On our television, on our public gala rates, we have the queer guys with their eyes on the straight guys, and they're trying to turn them into homosexuals.
		This is a part of the New World Order.
		They are trying to homosexualize our society behind.
		You may not have it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you may not have it, but it's happening anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those shows are on the air, and they're being generally wide accepted.
unidentified		All across America.
unidentified		They're being accepted all across America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, the ratings are very good for that kind of thing.
unidentified		They're not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, they are.
unidentified		Yes, they are.
		They're very good.
		That's why they're on the New World Bank.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People control the ratings.
unidentified		The liars control the ratings.
		Say goodbye.
		He said it's not who counts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bye.
unidentified		Alright.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it's kind of been a wicked weekend, hasn't it?
		Good morning, everybody.
		I am Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		If you'd like to help us wrap up the weekend in wickedly good style, those are the numbers.
unidentified		Here we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To resume, a wickedly good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time calling Lioner on here.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Good morning, Art.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm pretty good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably better than somebody who would call the I Made a Deal with the Devil line.
unidentified		Well, I don't know if I made a deal.
unidentified		I made an offer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You made an offer or you were given an offer?
unidentified		No, I made an offer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You made an offer?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, so what was your offer?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You called out and said.
unidentified		I've been thinking since I'm tired of God not doing anything in my life.
		I'm 29, I've never dated and say, you know what?
		If God's not going to help me, maybe the devil will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's exactly, exactly how it happens.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when you did this, did anything happen?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing, huh?
unidentified		Nothing's happened yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So your calls for the devil have rung as hollow as for God.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you going to do with it?
		You know, suppose.
		Just suppose that you hang up for me.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it makes an appearance and says, well, okay, I heard you now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were on national radio.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I'm here.
		I'm ready to make the deal.
		What do you want?
unidentified		I'm not sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or you wouldn't have asked.
unidentified		True.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what is it you want?
unidentified		I want a boyfriend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want a boyfriend?
		And if you got a boyfriend, you would be willing to...
		You'd be willing to assign your soul to me later?
unidentified		I'm not sure.
unidentified		I have to think of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll make this a really good-looking boyfriend.
		I mean the dream guy.
		He's got money, too.
unidentified		What do you say?
		Huh.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a yeah, then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a yes.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all you gotta do is sign here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Radio.
unidentified		I'm not sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Put an X. We'll know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you still need to think it over?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not a good deal maker.
		have a good day Well, I thought I'd give her what she wanted.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yeah.
		Well, I got a story for you, all right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you now?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		Okay, like I said, I was out in Phoenix, Arizona.
		I had a knock on my front door.
		I look out the people.
		I see a good friend of mine I hadn't seen in a while.
		Like I said, we had taken a vacation out to Arizona together previously.
		He ended up going home.
		I stayed in Arizona.
		So anyways, I seen through the people, so I opened the door.
		I'm like, hey, what's up, man?
		How you been?
		What are you doing here?
		And he just looks at me and he goes, I'm okay.
		He's like, I'm fine.
		And I'm like, what are you talking about?
		You're okay, you're fine.
		And as I was looking at him, his clothes were ripped up.
		And it wasn't like it was really him.
		He was there, standing right in front of me.
		And he looked a little bruised up and like his clothes were kind of ripped.
		And I'm like, well, what's going on?
		Do you want to come in?
		And he's like, no, I just want to tell you, everything's fine.
		I'm just fine.
		It's great.
		And then he started walking away.
		And it looked like he was walking across the courtyard to my neighbor's house.
		And I kind of went back in, kind of put on my pants a little better and ran back out.
		And then he was gone.
		Well, what was really crazy, you know, and I looked all around for him.
		I drove around.
		I looked around.
		About two days later, I'll skip all the stuff.
		I'm talking to my ex-girlfriend overseas, and she tells me, you know, you need to sit down for this.
		And I'm like, what?
		What's going on?
		She's like, just sit down.
		I'm like, okay, I'm sitting down.
		And I can say first names, right?
		Yeah.
		Okay.
		She goes, Tulsi.
		Tulsi died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tulsi, Tulsi died?
unidentified		Yeah, she told me that Tulsi died.
		And Tulsi, the guy I saw, you know, the one that I went to Arizona with, that was at the front door.
		And I'm like, what are you talking about?
		I think he's out here.
		I just saw him.
		And she's like, I'm like, well, when did this happen?
		And she's like, well, it's been about four or five days now.
		I haven't been able to get in touch with you.
		And I didn't want to leave a message on your phone, you know, on your answering machine with this information.
		I want to tell you in person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And all I can make of it was that I don't know.
		The timing of it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What were the circumstances of his death?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He died where, of what, how?
unidentified		He died in Hawaii, and he was hit by a car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there's no way.
		So your friend was coming to let you know that it was all right.
		Right?
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said your friend was coming to let you know it was all right.
unidentified		Yeah, I guess.
		I mean, he didn't go into specifics, and I couldn't get anything out of him.
		And to tell you the truth, I was kind of like froze up.
		I couldn't really talk to him.
		But what's even stranger is after the point, once I realized that he had passed away and stuff, and I have a higher believing, I think, about death.
		I don't really think we really die.
		We just kind of move on to the light or whatever you want to say, how you want to say it.
		But I'm moving into a new apartment, right?
		And I'm carrying these boxes.
		Well, when we came out to Arizona, we bought a car together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, very quickly now, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're almost there.
unidentified		Yeah, okay, okay.
		Well, I paid about $300 on the car, and he paid the rest, you know.
		And he ended up going back to Hawaii, like I said, and I never paid him what I owed him.
		And I'm carrying these boxes, and I'm kind of looking up at the ceiling, you know, and I'm like, well, at least I don't have to pay the $300 I owe you, Sols, because we're close friends, you know.
		And right then at that time, man, the bottom of the box falls out, and these pictures fly out.
		And on the top three, four pictures, they're all him.
		So I look back up at the ceiling, and I go, I'll send it to your mother, I swear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So did you?
unidentified		Did you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, you didn't.
		All right, well, then you're in for more trouble, buddy.
		That's all I can tell you.
		You should have taken the hint.
		It almost broke your foot.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		My name is Logan.
		I'm calling from Pittsburgh.
		Yes, Logan.
		I am calling.
		I've actually been, like, what they call physically dead or coded out as they call it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How so?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, physiologically.
unidentified		I flatlined.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You flatlined.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From what?
unidentified		Well, instance, when I was four, I was almost five, and I know normally most of the times things happen to you at that age you don't remember it, but something that huge you remember.
		And I actually choked to death off of a sandwich.
		And it happens.
		And I saw my mother go into a panic, and I saw myself laying there very purple.
		And I went into, you know, the ambulance eventually came and they took me to the hospital.
		And I didn't see myself going into the ambulance.
		I had gone someplace else, and it wasn't bright.
		I mean, it was very well lit, but it was more of that, you know how it looks just before the dawn breaks or dusk, just before it gets dark?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, yes.
unidentified		It was that very green.
		Yeah, that very indigo kind of color.
		And it was very serene and tranquil.
		And I, you know, I, for lack of a better term, I saw this, you know, this immense garden.
		And it was like I had been, I don't know, it was like there was this communication with me that was, you know, it was wordless, but the gist of it was to go back.
		And I went back, and I had just learned how to spell several new words that day.
		You know, dog and cat and simple things like that.
		And the first thing my mother did when I came, I recall being rolled out on stretcher.
		I had tubes and everything.
		It was kind of hard to talk.
		But my mom says, do you remember how to spell dog?
		And I looked up at her, just dead pan, you know, and I spelled G-O-D.
		So it was almost as though I had been on the other side of the looking glass kind of thing, and everything was reversed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your mom has told you all of this?
unidentified		Actually, a large part of it is my memory and as well mixed with what my mother remembers of the whole situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		okay well that's usually okay thank you very much that's usually how those things are remembered i i wonder how many of you have memories in your very early for I can remember holding the slats on my crib.
		I can remember crawling out of my crib.
		I can remember going into my mom's brand new cedar closet and finding a bucket of yellow paint.
		And I can remember painting my mom's cedar closet.
		And I can remember my mom screaming a lot.
		I can remember all of that.
		I painted most of her cedar closet, at least that which I could reach.
		And I thought I had done her such a large favor.
		I mean, this was beautiful, newly installed cedar, you know, with that great cedar smell to it.
		I just slopped the old yellow paint on it.
		I was out of my crib.
		Should have been taking a nap.
		I remember all of that, I think.
		Now, I'm sure that I remember holding my crib, but my mom has told me the story of painting her cedar closet so many times that I'm not sure now whether I really have that in my own memory or that was transferred to me at such a young age and repeated so frequently because it was so traumatic for my mom that it sort of installed the memory in me.
		And I bet you have a lot of memories just like that.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		wanted to tell you a story an experience I had it was about 20 years ago and it was what Well, I'd like to be anonymous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pick a name you've always liked.
unidentified		Kathy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kathy.
		Oh, that is.
		I've always liked the name Kathy, too.
		Okay, Kathy.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, it was about 20 years ago, and I was living in New York at the time, and I had this experience where I fell asleep, but I wasn't really asleep.
		It was more like what you would call a lucid dream or some state like that where you're not really in a deep sleep and you're aware of everything.
		And I saw a vision of what you would call Satan or the devil or whatever you'd want to call it appeared at the foot of my bed.
		And he appeared to be a man, a very, very good-looking man, as a matter of fact.
		And it was all sort of telepathic.
		He didn't speak.
		But he was offering me a pact with him that if I were to make this pact, I would have basically a very wonderful life, whatever I wanted, material, anything that I wanted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how old were you at this time?
unidentified		I was in my early 20s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In your 20s, okay.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And I should say I was raised as a Catholic, and so for years I thought perhaps this was just my own thoughts about Catholicism or something that had come up.
		But I don't believe that.
		I really believe this was so real that this really happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember your response?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
unidentified		I know that he made clear that I could have what I wanted if I would, in return, help him to corrupt souls, That I would have to help in this mission, which is to capture souls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Corrupt souls, capture souls, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here was an opportunity to put one foot on the ladder.
unidentified		And I have to say, since I had no, I was not prepared for this at all.
		I had not been asking for any pass with the devil at all.
		I had no preparation.
		And in the moment, it was so alluring, it was so quite seductive that I started to reach out toward him.
		He reached his hand out toward me, and I started to reach out toward him because it was so, just so, you know, irresistible.
		And the force, you know, was irresistible.
		And then at the last second before I touched him, I said, no, I want God.
		And I don't know why I said that either.
		It was just like, it just came out.
		And he disappeared.
		And I thought, oh, thankfully it's gone.
		It's over.
		And then I looked at the side of the bed and he reappeared.
		But now I could see like souls in hell below him.
		He was like, I could see he was like standing on their shoulders or physically oppressing them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could clearly see you made the right choice.
unidentified		And they were all like reaching out toward me.
		And I don't know if they were trying to pull me in or they were asking for help.
		But my impression was that it was all chaos.
		I didn't see fire and brimstone.
		Just chaos.
		The worst sort of imaginable chaos that they were living in.
		And they were asking for help.
		And he was laughing and just laughing and just almost saying like, you know, these are the souls that I have captured.
		And I just like, then it just disappeared and it was over.
		And I, for years, whenever I tell the story, the reactions I get are, you know, just sort of from stunned disbelief to sort of negative about, well, this is your Catholic background.
		But I really, I swear to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, I can hear it in your voice.
		You don't have to swear to me.
		Thank you very, very much for the call and have a good morning.
		On the Let's Make a Deal line.
		You're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello.
unidentified		How are you, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm quite well.
		Perhaps better than you, or perhaps not.
		Did you actually make a deal with the devil, sir?
unidentified		Yes.
		Made a deal.
		As most people who have made deals with the devil, I did it at a very young age.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But not you.
unidentified		Oh, no, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean, you did make a deal, but at an older age.
unidentified		I made it at the young age and went through the tonic sacraments to lock it in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
unidentified		How old were you when you made your deal?
unidentified		The first time that they came around, I was under the age of 12.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		under the age of twelve that's a little early maybe even not legally uh...
unidentified		all left At the age of 12, the agreements that you make between God and or the devil gives you a trend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, is that really the age of consent as far as God and the devil are concerned?
		12 years old?
		And boom, you can make a deal?
unidentified		The age of reckoning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The age of reckoning, 12 years of age.
		Wow.
		I would have thought quite a bit older.
		I mean, there are some 12-year-olds that, yes, might be able to be legitimately making a deal with one of the two of them, but most 12-year-olds, no.
unidentified		Well, about 100 years ago, man was being married at the age of 12, too.
		That's true.
		Society is not reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, what have you reaped as a result of your deal with the devil?
unidentified		Tons of pain and suffering out of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pain and suffering?
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		Fortunately, I stopped my path.
		And like the lady that called you earlier, I was talking about working at her karma house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you were able to turn it around all right well as i will I understand.
		But what this show will do is go away.
		I have to.
		It's the end of the weekend.
		It's been a wonderful one.
		Thank you all.
		And I think I'll try and get a little sleep.
		Here's Crystal.
		Good night.
unidentified		Good night in the desert.
		Shooting stars across the sky.
		This magical journey will take the sun arise.
		We make it to the dark.

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