Dr. Joseph Resnick and Guy Kramer explore HAARP’s classified ionospheric experiments, including 200–400-mile radio disruptions since September and potential ties to missile defense via phased array antennas (Patents 5,523,757 & 5,163,504). Callers link anomalies—auroras in Detroit (1971–76), dead squid on California shores—to HAARP’s alleged atmospheric manipulation, though Resnick dismisses human incapacitation claims while acknowledging positive ion effects. Speculation on moon bounce tests in Baghdad and fractal camouflage (used by BLM) reveals deep military involvement, with 13 federal agencies monitoring transmissions. Despite denials of weaponization or tectonic interference, Resnick warns of untested risks, leaving HAARP’s true purpose—and public safety—open to debate. [Automatically generated summary]
Happy to all, good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's beloved time zones, every single one of them covered by a blanket by this program, Coast Coast Bam.
I'm Art Bell.
And I'm an Art Bell with a dilemma tonight that I'll tell you all about.
Well, I can't tell you all about it.
I'll tell you what I'm going to do about it, though.
I don't know if they're going to be heavyweight in the answers they give or not, but I've got two heavyweight guests coming on the air this evening on, among other things, the subject of HAARP.
Now, I have a lot of really serious questions about HARP.
Really serious questions about HARP.
Dr. Joseph Resnick is one of them.
He's an applied scientist.
Oh, he's a long resume I'll tell you all about.
And Guy Kramer.
Both of them here, ostensibly or mainly on the subject of HAARP.
They hold patents.
There are certain patents that I'm told they're not going to be able to talk about.
And their appearance here had to be approved at the senatorial level by a senator.
There were questions in the way they would answer them, bandied back and forth, and they had to get approval at a senatorial level now.
So already I know I'm in, we're in for a big, well, a big unknown tonight, because we've got a couple of guys who know a lot more than they're going to be willing to say about something that I really want to know about.
So it may not be an easy night.
Be forewarned.
Big full moon up there, and it feels like it, too.
Then the dilemma, if that's not dilemma enough already, right?
I got this email earlier with all of these questions and the scripted answers, you know, and I went, oh, man, what are we up to here?
And I called Guy Kramer and said, listen, this talk radio, we don't do scripts, you know.
But turns out this was a sort of an approval process at the senatorial level to have them on there at all.
Now, obviously, one thing I don't want to do is I don't want to lose the opportunity to interview them.
So I'm going to be a little careful here.
I do have a dilemma about Dr. Resnick sent me a piece of information about the bird flu, something I told you I was very serious about last night.
And it's a startling bit of information.
Now, in the email, he says, please ask AB, that'd be me, to keep the lid on this for the moment.
Well, I'm a talk show host.
I don't keep lids on.
I blow them off.
That's what I do.
And so here's what I think I'll do.
I think I'll hold on to this, and we'll ask about it at the beginning of the interview.
And if they won't say anything about it or say they can't, then before the show is over, I'll read it to you anyway.
Now, I hope that doesn't lead to the show being over prematurely, if you follow me.
We'll see.
It's a full moon.
It's a tough subject.
And if you look at the, just before we get started with the World News, if you'll take a good look at the webcam photograph tonight, the one of me with a couple thumbs up, you know, usual pre-show kind of typical photograph that I took a few minutes ago, behind me you will see a very great deal of shortwave equipment.
You know, I'm a ham operator.
I've said it enough times on the show.
I'm a very avid ham operator.
I've been licensed consecutively since I was 13 years of age, and I'm 59 now.
I have some very serious shortwave equipment.
I have five acres of antenna, unlike any other, except maybe our friends up in Alaska HARP.
And I'm telling you, as I have told you in shows of recent weeks, that I'm very disturbed by what's going on in the ionosphere and very aware that something unusual is going on with our ionosphere.
Something very unusual.
Frequencies that have for all my life been dependable every night to yield a certain result, communicating with stations 200, 3, 400 miles away, that's been blown away.
That usually ever-so-reliable ionosphere has just been blown away since September.
And one of the possibilities, when you look at the various possibilities of what could be causing this, because the sun certainly has not been, I suppose it's been contributory.
In the sense we've had some pretty big flares, but even at times when the sun was not flaring, this unusual, bizarre circumstance on Shore Wave has been the same.
So the sun is not the factor.
Something else is at work here.
Now, some, I suppose, would screech normal cycles.
Well, I've been there and I've not, there's nothing normal about it to me.
Or most of the people I've talked to, my colleagues, for example, other hams, people who have been 40 and 50 years as myself, depending on things being a certain way.
They ain't that way anymore.
And one of the possibilities is HARP.
So it's going to be a serious show.
And with the news, we will begin very seriously indeed.
I grew up with him.
I think many of us grew up with Johnny Carson, and he's gone.
Johnny Carson, the quick-witted tonight show host, who became a national institution, oh, he was, putting his viewers to bed for 30 years with a smooth nightcap of celebrity banter and heartland charm, died Sunday, 79, emphysema, he died early Sunday morning with his family by him.
And I will miss him.
You know, unlike certain celebrities, like the ones sitting in this seat, who have retired a number of times, I mean, look, a lot of people in, I don't know, I guess these kinds of jobs, the broadcast media, sports, I don't know.
Whatever they do that they do, they do it very well, and they retire, and then, of course, they want to go back to their love, and they do.
It's inevitable.
Carson didn't.
He retired, and unlike many of us, stayed retired.
He'll be missed.
And I grew, like so many of you, I grew up with Johnny Carson.
He was a national institution, and now he's gone.
In fact, he really didn't do anything.
He became a recluse after he retired.
He may have appeared, I'm told, in a 1993 version of The Simpsons as voice, but otherwise, you didn't see Johnny Carson anymore.
So goodbye, Johnny.
We will miss you.
A howling blizzard slammed the northeast as promised.
It was going on during the program last night and Sunday.
More than two feet of snow and hurricane-strength gusts.
Well, it's all obviously stopped air travel for thousands, keeping others off slippery highways.
In fact, it was comment in Michigan that people are driving, as they usually do in this kind of stuff, like idiots.
So don't drive like an idiot.
If you don't know how to drive in snow and ice, don't.
Really, I mean that.
If you don't know how to drive in snow and ice, and there is an art to driving in snow and ice, I lived in Alaska three years and you either learn or die.
So don't.
If you have that choice and you're not good at it, just don't because you will not do well.
And people are not driving well at all.
So just stay home.
A lot of news tonight.
Nearly three decades before the September 11th attacks, a high-level government panel, it turns out, developed plans to protect the nation against terrorist acts ranging all the way from radiological dirty bombs, the subject of an HBO movie tomorrow night, to airline missile attacks, according to documents just declassified.
The Associated Press just got hold of, quote, unless governments take basic precautions, we will continue to stand at the edge of an awful abyss.
That's Robert Kupperman, chief scientist for the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency.
And that was written in 1977, so they knew this kind of thing was coming.
The U.S. Ambassador to Iraq acknowledged serious problems ahead of next weekend's election, but he gives assurances that great efforts are being made so every single Iraqi can vote.
In an audio tape posted on the web, a speaker claiming to be Iraq's most feared terrorist declared fierce war on democracy, raising the stakes in the vote.
Fierce war against democracy.
Rebels who have vowed to disrupt the balloting blew up rather a designated polling station near Baghdad and stormed a police station in Ramadi, west of the capital.
So what I did from the time I got up until, oh, I don't know, about 30 minutes before airtime, I watched playoff games.
And in Pittsburgh, nobody apparently beats Brady and Belichick in a big game, and they sure didn't get beaten 41-27.
So New England, a dynasty, question mark, meets up with Philadelphia.
And that was 27-10.
Falcons lost 27-10.
So there you've got it.
It's going to be New England and Philadelphia in the Super Bowl.
And also another death, Rosemary Woods, the devoted secretary to President Nixon, who said she inadvertently erased part of a crucial Watergate tape.
That would be the famous or infamous 18 and 1 half-minute gap has died.
Are you an off-Are you an off- I want to get to the phones fairly quickly.
However, I also want to read you more of this article that was only mentioned in passing last night.
My guest, Sir Charles Schultz, said that referred to an atmospheric phenomena that a lot of it we don't know about.
And indeed, I yanked out this story and read a little bit of it.
A new atmospheric phenomenon was caught on video by the crew of the space shuttle Columbia.
Now, this occurred just days before the shuttle broke apart, and it was just released.
Astronauts relayed video of this to NASA in real time during their 16-day flight, but the agency did not release the full data to researchers until several months after the mission's tragic end on 1 February 2003.
All seven crew members killed, of course, when the shuttle exploded while re-entering the atmosphere.
Colleagues from a university in Israel spent more than a year analyzing the video, which was originally taken to study atmospheric dust, but a single frame of the video was the most important, representing just make that 33 milliseconds, showing a mysterious reddish glow in the sky, night sky, on 20 January 2003.
One of the scientists said, I'm not sure what we saw.
I just know it wasn't something that we were used to seeing.
It was something extraordinary.
The glow occurred about 150 kilometers above the ocean near Madagascar and did not appear to be linked with thunderstorms in any way.
This contrasts sharply with other events at similar altitudes which glimmer into being when electrical current travels upward from lightning clouds at altitudes of about 10 kilometers, called sprites.
You've heard of those, right now, Elves?
These events take the shape of sort of jellyfish, downward pointing carrots or doughnuts, and tend to occur within a horizontal distance of about 70 kilometers from lightning.
But the closest lightning picked up by the Chuttil's video camera was 800 kilometers away.
So it wasn't lightning from this unexpected glow that's been dubbed Tiger.
Transient ionospheric glow emission in red.
That's what it stands for, Tiger.
Transient ionospheric glow emission in red.
Well, sprites and elves emerge within a few milliseconds of the nearest lightning strike, but Tiger took 250 milliseconds to leap into view after this lightning struck 800 kilometers away, suggesting the two events were not in any way linked.
So what the hell is it?
This Tiger.
Gee, you don't think this could be another man-made something or another, do you?
This is really, really going to be an interesting program tonight.
And naturally, like you mentioned, there's the one-year high and low cycle.
And I remember back in the 70s, early 70s, because I was in the service with the, if I'm allowed to say it, Coast Guard, I was serving on the Great Lakes here.
And normally, for the area I was in, or located or stationed, basically we shouldn't have had any auroras.
And I remember about from 71 to 75, 76, and this was even long after I got out of the service down here in Detroit, we'd see northern lights probably about maybe once a week or once every other week.
You're at a latitude where you would see northern lights very easily.
Now, a couple of times in the last several years, northern lights have come to the southern latitudes, even as far as myself here in the desert.
But I want to be clear once again so that you're clear when we get the guests on here.
The phenomena that I'm talking about is, as far as I know, completely unprecedented since about September, frequencies that always, always have been reliable for short-range communication, meaning 200, 300, 400 miles, within an hour of sunset, these frequencies, 3 and 4 megahertz area, have been shut down like somebody closed a big steel trap door.
It's just not normal.
It is aby normal.
It's like somebody shuts a door.
Boom, it's over.
And the highest viable frequency for that kind of communication is 2 megahertz or even lower, down into the broadcast band.
This phenomenon has been dipping.
And some of you can certainly testify to that fact.
When I say it gets down to the broadcast band, that means at radio stations that you would normally hear, you know, 50, 100, 200, even 300 miles away big boomers.
You listen one night, and they're not there.
You can't even hear them.
When it gets particularly bad, it goes all the way down to the broadcast band, and that kind of thing begins to happen.
Well, we've been getting tons of email here, but guess what?
But anyway, all those packages they put together back then all had to do with fighting off the alien threat that we apparently have had going on for quite some time.
HAARP is having an effect on one of the natural pieces of our world, the ionosphere.
Or something is.
And my guess would be HAARP.
We know it's active.
We know it's operational.
We know it's coming up near full power.
And what we don't know is what they intend to do with it.
We don't know.
Whether we'll find that out or not tonight, I really can't say because I know there are an awful lot of aspects of this they cannot talk about.
Now, whether they're able to talk about the larger picture with reference to HAARP, I guess we're going to find out, or whether some of the goals of HAARP have to remain classified, or whether only the details of technically what they're doing with HAARP have to remain classified.
Or I don't know.
I guess we're going to find all of this out.
That plus the little curveball they threw me here causing my dilemma with regard to the bird fluid, something I desperately really would like to take the lid off of for you tonight and will one way or the other before the program's over.
Sometimes being a talk show host presents you with dilemmas, decisions that are very tough to make.
And so what I'll do is I'll make a decision on this and one way or the other before the program's over, I'll read it to you.
How's that?
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I mean, I suppose you could jump to some sort of conclusion like that, because Johnny Carson...
you know, I had no clue, and I don't think the rest of the world really did either, that he was ill, emphysema, so that would have been a fairly long-term protracted illness, I would think.
But he kept it from everybody.
And so it was, unless it was something like, you know, a healthcare worker close to him or something of that order, there shouldn't have been a hint of it.
And you would have imagined Johnny would have had another ten years easily because he, you know, you just never heard anything.
There's no autopsy report yet, and there should have been one.
And I think something happened, and I also believe that they have a satellite connected with HAARP, and they're doing wonderful things like you saw with the hurricanes and the blizzards with Sudar weather.
I think that you may be onto something, and there may be something else going on with all of this, but I don't necessarily attribute it to HARP with what little I do know about HAARP and the things I think it might do, which are scary enough all by themselves.
I don't see them having any effect on tectonic plates.
Even with immense amounts of radiation and even understanding that they seem to have some vision that HAAA could reveal underground tunnels and bunkers, the only way it could do that is to bounce so hard off the ionosphere and to re-radiate so hard that it would literally be ground-penetrating in some manner.
So, you know, it would be a pretty wild guess to go from measurement of something like that hard enough to affect something like that that far down.
I first discovered it in Vermont, and I called you a few times from Vermont, and you were really wonderful, and you're one of the few people that understands this phenomena, which is why I'm extremely fond of you.
And some humans, you could assume, would have hearing that would go beyond the normal range of other human beings.
So that could be.
There are a variety of experiments going on, not just in our atmosphere, but also in our waters.
And a lot of people, okay, here's a story for you.
I tell you, I collect these things.
A scientist, the headline is ship begins sound wave research off Yucatan.
Scientists working off Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula began using sound waves to search for information about an asteroid that may have wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago.
The research project began despite concerns among environmental activists who say this technology could harm whales, sea turtles, and several variety of fish in the Gulf of Mexico.
Mexican authorities say the project is within, quote, acceptable limits and will be closely monitored.
So this project apparently is going to use sound waves to try and figure out what happened to the dinosaurs 65 million years ago.
Not sure how it works, but they are concerned about all of these marine mammals that may have a problem with it beaching themselves and that sort of thing.
If you think about the ionosphere, it has basically one very primary function, and it serves as a filter.
You're familiar with the radio spectrum.
There's some very high energy just above what we see as or perceive as ultraviolet light.
And when that gets through the ionosphere, that's, for example, what causes sunburns, and it can incinerate things that get through at higher frequencies.
And nastier stuff above that.
The ionosphere exists primarily because of two things.
Number one, again, we're bombarded by radiation from the sun.
And secondarily, we have this gigantic molten mass of iron spinning here that is our core of our planet.
And it has poles that we refer to as the magnetic field.
And the good folks at NOAA have been taking pictures of this molten mass with satellites for the last couple decades or so.
And there has been a shift in the currents.
And there are huge spots that are out of phase now.
And the change is exponential.
It was slow at first, and it's been increasing and becoming more rapid.
And the prevailing theory is that our Earth's magnetic field is going to go through a flip-flop.
And there's evidence that that's happened before.
There's core samples that have been taken in the eastern part of the state here of Oregon where I live.
And there's places, for example, our mass transit rail line cuts through a tunnel.
They have core samples from the tunnel that we know it's flipped before, and it will again.
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And there's a fail-safe to the ionosphere when the magnetic field collapses and reaches its zero point, and the ionosphere fails to function, and that fail-safe is the atmosphere.
And what happens is the oceans heat up and release large volumes of water vapor, which goes up into the atmosphere.
Being heated, it rises as high as it can to its maximum specific gravity, and the Earth's surface cools.
And, you know, during the more severe ice ages throughout history, there are corresponding core samples that show the magnetic field flip-flopping four or five times within a period of just a few years.
And as the Earth stabilizes to its new polarity.
And so to tie this all together, this is just a theory that I've discussed with a few people.
I don't have a lot to back it up, but that HARP may be an attempt to be able to set up an artificial magnetic field to keep the Earth from freezing over solids.
So HAARP, saving our butts from otherwise what would be a rough ride in a magnetic reversal.
I don't know.
Good theory, actually, with a sound basis behind it, but theory.
I don't know.
And it could be anything from that to the scientists just can do it, so they're doing it, and they're going to see what happens.
These are some of the questions that we're going to be asking tonight.
I mean, do they really know what is going to happen when they hit the ionosphere with a billion watts of power and modulated frequencies designed to actually have a sum and difference and produce a chain reaction in the ionosphere?
Do we really know what that's going to do?
Probably not.
So is it one of those cases where the scientists are just going to go ahead and do it because they can do it and see what happens?
Or do we really have solid reason to believe it will do some certain specific thing?
On the first-time caller line, you're on the air.
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Yes, Mr. Bell, this is David calling from Salton City, California.
I'm a longtime fan and a past guest on your fabulously informative program.
Well, since you're here and since you wrote Sunstroke so long ago, to hear Sir Charles on this program telling you that it's a reality, that a private company, Gene Myers and other folks, have got it together and they're going to do what you wrote about.
Well, they're going to go to the whole project to pull power out from space.
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Absolutely amazing.
I am elated that finally a solar power satellite apparently is going to be getting off the ground.
I wish them the best of luck.
However, I just have a few quick comments to make on last night's show, if you don't mind.
Yeah, he could have had a whole discussion with somebody, huh?
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Yes, sir.
Possibility.
I would like to say real quick that Sir Charles repeatedly did state that a microwave satellite will only generate microwave heating on the Earth and in the atmosphere equivalent to the light of a full moon.
And that it would have a heating effect of one hundredth of a degree, I believe.
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Centigrade, yes, sir.
I would just like to point out that according to the U.S. Office of Technological Assessment, a document that I still have right before me in my desk, it's titled Solar Power Satellites.
If anybody in your listening audience around the world can Google solar power satellites, go up to an actual document that I printed out here, and it will explain that such a satellite, according to the magnitude that Sir Charles is speaking about, would induce heating of at least 23 milliwatts per square centimeter on the ground, which the document does state is enough to cook biological tissues and people, animals, and plants.
I in no way wish to infringe on the success of the Space Island Group's solar power satellite deployment in 2012.
My objective in writing Sunstroke is just to educate folks regarding some of these environmental concerns.
I mean, he did suggest, though, that any, for example, if the satellite did the thing he claims it can't and it wandered, that the amount of heat at any specific point on the ground, if all the fail safes failed, would not be enough to be french-frying things as it goes along.
Do you flat out disagree with that?
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Well, just let me point out in a response to that question.
Yes, do you remember, though, Sir Jarles and his group, they do intend to use a microwave solar satellite to, as a pied piper, as you pointed out on air, to draw a hurricane, say, away from the east coast.
I sure wish you could have made it through last night, brother.
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I tried, sir.
It was a wonderful program.
And again, I really wish to thank you for mentioning Sunstroke, not only with Sir Charles, but over the years you have approached many guests with the subject matter.
It's an obvious concern if they ever were to launch this sort of thing, and here they go.
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Yes, if I have one second left, I'd just like to tell you that the Japanese in the early 80s, they actually deployed a solar power satellite successfully in a very low Earth orbit.
It did for a few minutes beam down space solar power to the Earth and was converted into AC electricity.
It is, and this is just what I've been waiting for, a couple of real heavyweights on the subject of HAARP.
That's who we've got coming up.
First, Dr. Joseph Resnick.
Dr. Resnick is an accomplished applied scientist, author, electromechanical engineer, lecturer, holding 26 patents.
12 of those are classified with extensive lateral skill sets in medicine, electrical and mechanical engineering, earth and space systems, architecture component design, defense Security programs, global communication systems, architectures, engineering, and military homeland strategic defense.
He is a recognized expert in strategic defense program design, functioning in various public and private consultancies to both U.S. government and Department of Defense.
You're beginning to get the idea.
He has directed non-classified strategic national and international defense initiatives for next generation and future space and soldier systems technology research and development programs.
Dr. Resnick is a recognized international authority who is proficient in the areas of secure theater-wide communications operations, clandestine procedures, encryption methodologies, and the design of secure communication networks within a defense environment.
He is a noted authority in areas of ComSec, Infosec, HARP, and DIGSEC.
I only know what some of those are.
Then also, Guy Kramer is a president and CEO of Hyperstealth Biotechnology Corporation, president of United Dynamics Corporation, inventor of the passive-negative ion generator, and the developer of the SuperForce.com algorithm.
Good lord.
DreamWorks SKG Movie TV Studio purchased two internet sites early in 2001 that were developed and maintained by Kramer through his high-speed Tumbleweed Productions.
Guy has worked with and or corresponded on projects with the European Oilers National Hockey League team, NASA, JPL, Columbia Accident Investigation Board, U.S. military branches, and Canadian forces programs.
In 2003, Guy Kramer was commissioned by King Abdullah II of Jordan to develop a digital camouflage pattern that surpassed current U.S.-issued uniforms.
The King, King Abdullah, has approved this KA-2 pattern for Jordanian armed forces and police.
Mr. Kramer has since developed over 300 digital camouflage patterns, many based on fractals, feedback loops, and some of these patterns being used for concealment training in both the British and U.S. Army training.
Mr. Kramer is also the grandson and former research assistant of Donald L. Hings, P-Engineering, MBECM, geophysicist, inventor of the walkie-talkie radio frequency system for the Canadian military in 1942, which earned him the prestigious member of British Empire Award and the Order of Canada.
So between Dr. Resnick and Guy Kramer, we've got one heck of a duo to tackle the subject of harp.
Guy can say anything he wants to and nobody can touch him.
Yeah.
My grandfather, who you alluded to there, had actually developed the Dew line, the distant early warning line, and had developed the technology for that.
So I have some insight into some of the technology and have stumbled upon many of the items that have since become public domain with my website out there.
It was recommended that I take a look at Guy's website and that I have a conversation with Guy, and that led to realization of synergies and interests from people with whom I'm associated.
So Guy and I have become friends in the interim.
And we enjoy a personal, professional working relationship, a knowledge of the sciences in which we're concerned.
Before we move to HAARP, which is mainly what I wish to talk with you about on a lot of levels, Dr. Resnick sent me an email prior to the program and asked me to keep the lid on it for the moment.
And I really, I just can't do that.
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Yeah, well, let's get that out of the way so we can get to the meat and bones of this.
What I asked Guy to do is to post the email that I sent to you, actually sent to Lisa earlier today with regard to your discussion and your concerns, because I share your concerns.
And a lot of people with whom I'm affiliated also share your concerns.
Believe me, this is a real issue with people.
In fact, I've been invited to, actually through Mr. Kramer, to consult with the folks over in Singapore.
Now, Guy and I were going to go over there a few weeks ago, but we had to put that off due to these meetings that I referenced.
But in the interim, I've got the green light.
Go ahead and do that.
In the interim, I've sent you an email and mentioned some names in there.
Everything that I've mentioned to you is not classified at the present time.
Let's get right to the meat of the avian flu.
Yes.
With regard to what's posted, and if your listeners want to go to those links that...
Why don't you either go ahead and read the email aloud now or just give me the gist of it?
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Okay, the gist of it, several weeks ago, a peregrine falcon was found within the continental United States, and the peregrine falcon was found to be carrying the avian flu, and it was dead.
Now, there's some conjecture as to how the thing got here.
Folks up at Plum Island think it may have come over the poles.
Some other folks think it may have come in on a ship from Asia.
So migratory fowl, that's mainly how we can account for deposition of different species in lakes and propagation of different fish species, etc., through the migratory fowl, the droppings.
It's their way of saying they think this is an isolated incident.
One bird flying over the pole or one bird being carried in on a ship and that's it.
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Well, I think I agree with you.
It may be an isolated incident, but I think we learned a lesson, valuable one, from a similar isolated incident where a young fellow came in on an airplane in the Middle East or in the Midwest and AIDS got into the country.
So it's a consideration.
It's a lot of concern.
And a lot of people looking at it right now and the appropriate powers that be are taking steps to see that the United States is protected.
When I say we, Dr. Resnick is working on a few other items.
We're working on vehicle and weapon camouflage for the country of Jordan through the military office of His Majesty.
And Joe, I'll let you answer the last half of that.
Okay.
Actually, my involvement here is to facilitate complex technological transfers consistent with international treaty and to facilitate military upgrades in the form of providing next-generation equipment.
When we began the show, actually before we began the show, the only conversation you and I had, I picked up the phone, and you said, hey, Art, you've got a lot of friends in Washington.
Well, the forum that you present here, as mentioned in some of the notes that I've sent along to Lisa, although some topics are somewhat outlandish, there is some degree of truth in some of the things that are advanced by some of your callers.
Okay, so they want some questions answered, or they want the public made aware to some degree of what HAARP is about.
It's a great mystery, this antenna array and transmitting facility in Alaska.
And I guess, is it you, Guy, who corresponded with the DOD on the HARP topic?
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Yeah, they had U.S. Naval Space Warfare Command initially contacted me about this invention of mine, the passive negative ion generator.
And just to give you a little bit of a rundown on that, it's not available in the United States.
It's not FDA approved.
It is Health Canada approved, which is our FDA equivalent.
It is a small device that works off a material reaction.
There are no batteries required, and it gives off enough negative ions to be biologically active in that it will, just by breathing in these negative ions that this passive negative ion generator is emitting, you can actually get the benefit that negative ion studies for years have shown that they can override the detrimental effect of positive ions out there.
Let me jump in here and give an example of negative ions.
Fire away.
In submarines, for example, a closed vessel or a closed container, if someone smokes a cigarette, that gives off negative ions and floods the chamber.
In much the same way, Guy, I apologize for using this analogy, but that's a very simplistic analogy, but accurate.
And the smoke virtually drops to the bottom of the container, doesn't it?
That's right.
Is that correct?
You see, I have a device exactly like that in my house.
I've had one for years, so I know exactly what it is.
Gentlemen, hold on.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
My guests are Dr. Joseph Resnick and Guy Kramer.
The main topic that we're going to be discussing this night, we'll drag as much out as we can from these fellows, is harp.
That thing in Alaska, that giant giant.
In fact, we've got a picture on the website of it.
It's a very large antenna, indeed.
Take a look.
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Billy Goodman used this as a theme song back in the 80s, a couple decades ago, when I was doing a show in Las Vegas about exactly this kind of topic.
Billy was doing a very similar show right across town.
And I just recently located Billy after all these years and had a chat with him.
He's in New England, and one of these days, we'll have him on the show and let him say hi.
I was so happy to find him after a couple of decades.
Well, my guests, a couple of heavyweights, Guy Kramer and Dr. Joseph Resnick, and they're here basically about the HARP Project, and that's where we're going in a moment.
So your area of expertise individually, Dr. Resnick, first.
Yes, sir.
What is your area of expertise or where do you fit in with HAARP, Doctor?
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Okay.
Actually, I first became involved with HAARP, or I heard the term the first time, back in 1983 during the Reagan years.
There was some talk about establishing a new agency called DARPA, Defense Advanced Projects Agency.
And at that time, I was developing some technologies with regard to microstructures, microcapsules, miniature heat exchangers, that sort of thing.
And I became involved at the behest of some contacts at NASA where I was working on some other projects.
And one thing led to another.
And I got involved and did some work.
And again, I didn't know what I was doing until about 10 years later, I happened to see some of these coatings that are taught in one of my U.S. patents, the Patent 5, 523757, which is the stealth technology patents.
And the Patent 5-163504.
I think, Guy, you've posted those on the website so that the listeners can take a look at them.
For example, on a surface, a surface that impacts a particular radio frequency, as a result of that impact, minute heat coefficients are generated.
In some instances, for example, in certain kinds of air platforms, that could cause peeling and flaking of certain reflective materials and adsorptive materials, such as RAM, radar attenuating materials, and resulting in exposure of the air flame or platform.
You can go and look at those patents, and that's public domain.
So that's essentially how, to get back to your question, how I first became affiliated with HAARP, and I didn't see the technology again.
That was after the U.S. Patent Office and I fought for about six years.
As a matter of fact, 523757 was in the 902 section for about seven years.
It had 153 claims.
I think there are 23 permitted to issue.
That includes the license plates that we sell that defeat radar and X-band, K-band, that kind of stuff.
But that's how I first became aware.
At first time I heard the term was in, I want to say, 1983 when Mr. Reagan, Mr. Ray Gunns, was in charge, and we used to laugh about that because we knew where certain initiatives we were working at that time were headed, and they had to do with the new DARPA situation.
So that's how I became involved in this whole thing, and I didn't see the results of my work until many years later after it was declassified.
And I do a lot of low-frequency work, guys, in the area of 3 to 4 megahertz.
3 to 4 megahertz has been ultra-reliable for amateur radio operators to talk to each other 2, 3, 4, 100 miles away, NVIS type communications, near vertical incident stuff.
And it's always been there.
I've been a ham all my life.
And since September of this year, within one hour of sunset, all that stuff is mysteriously gone every single night.
It's very odd.
Everybody I've talked to has never seen anything like it.
I know darn well HARP is operating in around 2.3 as well as other frequencies.
And I've got recordings of them.
And I think they're affecting the ionosphere.
Or at least I think there's a good chance they're affecting the ionosphere.
Now, high-frequency active aurora research program, that's what that means.
That means they're doing something to the ionosphere, right?
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Guy, I would say since September, we've had an unprecedented history of solar activity.
Not every day, but we have had we're at the low point of the solar cycle, and we should not be having the solar flares that we're having.
Any ballistic missile coming through that charged-up ionosphere is essentially going to be fried.
And I would say that's probably the primary purpose.
Secondary purpose, which is probably used for more or less most of the time, is submarine communications.
Stimulating the ionosphere so you get those extremely low frequency waves that can penetrate the ocean, the ocean floor.
And I think that's public domain, that this was the primary reason that they were going to set it up.
And the location in Alaska is the exact location that you want to be in in the proximity to the ionosphere in the latitude-longitude there.
Ground-penetrating radar, again, that's no secret, but they need to bounce it off the ionosphere, and you need something fairly close in order to penetrate.
I mean, your adversary has to be within a certain range.
And so Alaska wouldn't be my first choice for it if you were going to be looking at adversaries around the world.
Stimulation of extremely low frequencies might cause crops to grow faster.
That's right.
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There's been studies, many studies done on vegetable growth, and they found that cucumbers will actually grow to twice their normal length in a positive ion environment.
Would a single installation of HAARP perhaps would be effective against a single ICBM launch or even a couple, I suppose, but certainly no defense against all-out war.
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I think it could be.
Oh?
You're not charging a in this case, you wouldn't be charging a specific area, but the entire ionosphere.
With our little thoughts for all of you and the radio operators out there.
I wonder if the Federal Communications Commission became a cheering section.
And then finally, it passed something called broadband over power lines over the objections of everybody wanted to use a shortwave spectrum.
And I mean, they became a cheering section for it, folks.
And yeah, it passed.
I wonder if the FCC did that knowing that HARP was going to turn the shortwave bands into mush anyway.
So what the hell?
Subject harp.
Guests, Dr. Joseph Resnick and Guy Kramer.
What I said a moment ago was a joke.
Kind of.
Kind of a joke.
Not really much of a joke, actually.
Some very interesting things happened.
Along came this new technology, gentlemen, called BPL, broadband over power lines, a way to get, oh, I don't know, the internet into every American household through the power lines.
And the FCC just about went into a cheering motion for the whole thing.
And it went through, went sailing through.
And so I sort of jokingly said, maybe they went ahead and did that over the objections of hams.
And you know something interesting about it?
Not just the hams were objecting to it.
In fact, we all thought that, ah, the hams will write the objections.
They'll be ignored.
But you know what?
The military, ha ha, they'll come along.
And in fact, they did in the beginning.
And they wrote terrible objections to the whole concept of BPL.
And then all of a sudden, mysteriously, they backtracked on themselves.
And the military virtually withdrew their objections to a BPL.
And I wonder why.
In other words, could they have been told to withdraw their objections because it was something bigger going on?
Could it be that they knew that HARP was going to turn the shortwave bands into mush anyway?
And, you know, that was only a half a joke because they're sort of turning into mush.
Some of the frequencies that we use to operate aren't behaving normally.
Well, you know, when you just think about it, guys, not just you guys, both of you, it's one of the stated goals, you know, to screw around with the ionosphere.
Now, there's rumors of everything from, well, the way you guys painted it, it sounded like babies have rosy cheeks and frogs hopped around happily and crops grow, and my God, it's the best thing that ever happened.
How would you like to be able to just drop two wires into the ground and pay a one-time fee for a telephone and talk to anybody anytime and never pay any more money?
Other than the birds chirping and rosy faces for little babies and all the positive stuff, some of us in the public, and I'm one of them, aside from what effect it, you admit, might be having on the short wave bands, what else might it be doing?
You heat up the ionosphere enough to burn up an ICBM?
Are all ICBMs coming in?
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Guy, this might be a good time to digress for a second and go back and talk about putting a hole in the ionosphere and doing an MBA.
Moon bounce.
In 2001, the HAARP site had talked about doing moon bounces.
And in the late 60s, the ham radio operators discovered that they could send a signal to the moon, bounce it off the moon, and hit the other side of the planet of Earth, and essentially communicate with someone on the opposite side of the planet.
Well, this, of course, couldn't take place until they started doing moon bounces.
So HARP tried this in 2001 and supposedly were successful at doing it.
In order to do this, you need to put a hole in the ionosphere and send your signal through the hole.
So you're saying that the installation could be there and not there?
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Yeah, probably within the Poker Flat region.
According to the HARP information from the U.S. Air Force, U.S. Navy, it should have been built at the Poker Flat region, not in the area it is in, in Alaska.
But this is all conjecture.
We're not sure.
And those examples on the website, those are just illustrations and shouldn't be taken as gospel.
Dr. Nick Begich is somebody I've interviewed on the subject of HAARP.
He believes that there is a part of this technology that could be used, for example, aimed and used to confuse, mentally confuse troops on a battlefield.
You could aim it at an enemy's troops before the war ever began and turn them into blithering idiots, basically.
In other words, affect them biologically.
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I don't know if you can turn them into blithering idiots, but you could.
Okay, I was also told that HAARP is doing some interesting things in terms of the way it affects the ionosphere, that they send audio tones, perhaps two tones, let us imagine, that beat together.
And then the sum and the difference of that beat are also produced.
And in that way, they're able to get to such an ultra-low frequency that they can begin to cause some sort of domino kind of effect in the ionosphere.
Is this something you can talk about?
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I don't recognize that to be factual in as much as those frequency ranges are between 70 and 150 hertz in ELF.
So combination of those frequencies or stimulation would not in itself cause anything audible in that we hear between 400 and 800 hertz.
So what you're talking about would emanate, we wouldn't be able to hear it.
But again, it could have an effect on biological things.
I mean, ELF in certain ways does, right?
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Absolutely.
I would agree that perhaps the intercellular fluid, for example, and if the person had eaten, for example, a high sodium content that day.
Well, it's common knowledge that the different elements found on the periodic table respond and couple and yield in different frequency ranges.
Now, theoretically, if a person had eaten a lot of salt or had a pizza and was impacted somewhere between 70 to 150 hertz, ELF, okay, it might cause something, but we don't know what.
And I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe that something like that is taking place.
Using HAARP as the triggering mechanism, setting it off.
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Well, they could use different arrays, but HAARP, likely, because the company's the one that designed HAARP, the HARP array, was looking at the use of HAARP for that end result.
So in other words, somebody pushed the panic button and said, look, if HARP has the ability to do whatever, and I guess you're not prepared to tell me what that is other than the ICBM protection?
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Guy, let me jump in here just for a second.
Now, I'd have to disagree with that school of thought in that the HAARP system facilities are using gas-fired circuit breakers in locations, and they use a system of emergency generators that are triggered every 72 hours.
So it's very possible that what happened during that time period was...
And throughout that whole system, through Poker Flats, through Greeley, there may be as many as 200 of those that are on a cycle.
So those cycle every 72 hours, it's possible somebody had a switch open, hit an accidental test shot.
That was interpreted as heart being activated.
So, you know, it was probably that 72 cycle.
You have 200 or 300 of these generators going off.
I would attribute it to that.
I don't see it.
It was a series of strange solar storms, or I should say, geomagnetic storms that we had without a solar storm.
The week after 9-11, when the stock market was falling, and U.S. Naval Space Warfare Command was following my research for the previous year, where we were showing the stock market.
They follow everybody's research, Guy.
Oh, they do, yes.
But the stock markets tend to fluctuate with natural ion ratios.
And they were well aware that we were showing this correlation on our website.
I would tend to support that theory rather than HAARP having some influence.
I want to ask you the, hey, just push the button, Frank, and let's see what happens question.
Surely at the beginning, I don't know where we are with knowledge about what HARP has or hasn't accomplished in the ionosphere, how far along we are, but at some point, or perhaps still at a point yet to come with HAARP, there is going to come this moment where there's something incredible they can try, and absolutely honestly, they might have some idea of what might happen.
But in science, a lot of times, to be honest, you really get an unexpected result.
And so you don't always know what's going to happen.
Well, like when we exploded the first atomic bomb, there was a significant line of thought, scientifically, quite mainstream line of thought, that thought the entire atmosphere might chain react and ignite, burning us all up.
And yet they pushed the button.
And so with HAARP, as the button choices come along, I just wonder how careful the two of you feel the button pushers are being.
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I think they're being very prudent with their experimentation and looking at the results before they go to the next step.
I believe these two questions go to you, Guy, because I don't think Dr. Resnick wants them.
Was HAARP used in Afghanistan?
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No, but I was sharing information on our natural ion ratio algorithm with the U.S. government, or I should say, U.S. military branches, and just kind of showing them when the mass surrenders were taking place.
And they were all taking place on the same type of polarity when the ions were the same way.
And that information was likely used down the road.
We knew that moon balances were possible after 2001.
We had shared information with them on the types of days when troops were surrendering.
And before the troops moved into Baghdad, HAARP was active for the precise time that the moon was mutually visible between Baghdad and HAARP and Alaska.
And so that would be, with respect to Iraq, the answer to that would be a yes.
It was used.
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I mean, we can only guess that that's what they might be doing.
That's right.
I'd say, Guy, you'll have to admit that's somewhat speculative in that the hard data that I've seen in the sites and the fact that you've come forward with this information to the NWC ops, it's total speculation at this point.
One other speculative thing that a lot of people have been saying about HAARP is weather control, the control of the weather, our weather, hurricanes, perhaps large forces of weather, or perhaps things much more mundane, like putting low-pressure systems.
It is from a Russian technology that they have used for a number of years down in the United Arab Emirates to increase rainfall by, they're saying, between 15 and 300%.
Yes, and what they're doing with this technology is they're basically flipping the polarity of the ions in the atmosphere to force rain to come out of any kind of clouds that might be present.
Was it used prior to the 2004 U.S. federal election?
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It was turned on the day of the election, but that doesn't mean that that's what it was used for.
I think that what happened was, if I can draw back to Fort Greeley and up there at Poker Flats, they have a system of machines up there that constantly reset and activate.
Now, several times, Doctor, you have suggested that perhaps there was an accidental lighting up of HAARP at an otherwise controversial moment.
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No, no, no, no.
You misinterpreted what I said.
There may have been a switch left on somewhere that caused a spike in an energy grid or a gradient that someone may have misinterpreted as an activation of a potential HAARP system.
In other words, what possible things could come of HAAARP that might be, A, unexpected, and B, in some way detrimental to the people living here on the planet?
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Well, I'd like to jump in here just for a second.
One hopeful outcome of HAAAP is to make the world happier.
If, in fact, a system does exist, which undoubtedly HAARP classification nomenclature has been designated and stated, one of the objectives could be to make people happy.
And Guy, I think maybe you should mention the request you had from a police office over the last couple of days in that.
Well, for the path of negative, yeah.
Go ahead.
I think that would be good.
Well, the path of negative ion generator can override any of these detrimental effects that HARP is possibly capable of putting out by changing ion ratios out there.
And to a certain degree, I mean, we're not producing power outputs that a plug-in generator can do, but it is something that can help anyways.
So the bottom line is, if there is a HARP, you can get one of these ion generators from Guy and turn it on.
Now, I know something about these because, as I mentioned, I have one in my home.
Yeah, they take care of dust particles and smoke and things like that.
But I don't consider them, I didn't consider them, as a defense, in quotes, against HAARP or something like that.
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Well, I think that your view of HAARP in terms of its output potentials over broad spectrum is misguided, is misinformed.
Is it?
Guy, could you help me here a little bit and explain this to the minimal with regard to the minimal effects of the phenomenon?
On the positive ion effects?
That's correct.
Okay, I'll give you a list of side effects from positive ion winds, such as the Chinook wind in Calgary or the Santa Ana wind down in Southern California.
There is, but listen to the list of side effects here.
Body pains, sick headaches, dizziness, twitching in the eyes, nausea, fatigue, faintness, disorders in salt, water accumulation, respiratory difficulties, allergies, asthma, heart attacks, Circulatory disorders.
Psychological side effects, emotional imbalance, irritation, vital disinclination, compulsion to meditate, exhaustion, apathy, disinclination or listlessness towards work.
And on and on it goes.
Suicide rates go up by 20%.
Heart attacks go up by 50% when these positive mind winds blow through in certain regions of the globe.
And it can be scientifically correlated to this atmospheric phenomena.
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Yes.
In over 5,000 studies, they've documented the same thing over and over again.
Even the FAA had shown that air traffic control towers were low in negative ion ratios.
And if the level drops below 500 ions per cubic centimeter, and normally you're dealing with about 500 to 3,000 on an average indoor environment.
Same thing with submarine crews.
And every submarine since, I think, 1956 Has had negative iron generators put on them, and every bridge of every U.S. Navy ship has negative iron generators put on there as well.
And the reason for that is to keep the crews alert and awake at nighttime.
The submarines are a little different story.
In a closed environment, you have to have something like that to pull the oils out of the airflows.
Yeah, but that's the argument that Ronald Reagan made.
That difference, right?
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Good president.
Best years of my life.
God bless him.
Well, let's talk about Fort Greeley.
Fort Greeley is right in the middle of HARP and HI-PASP and Poker Flat.
And just about everyone out there knows that it's not the official reason for it being there is a ballistic missile defense of the continental United States.
And just about everyone knows that it's not there for that.
It's there to protect HAARP, High Pass, and this potential FIPA system that's up there.
Those are your primary missile defense systems.
And if anything comes in under that umbrella, Fort Greeley is there to stop it.
Well, if we had an effective ICBM defense, courtesy of HAARP, then why do we need to continue trying to perfect anti-ballistic missiles?
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Because if there's a new missile that the Russians have designed that basically goes up and makes a 90-degree turn and flies in under the ionosphere, it's a ballistic missile, but it doesn't actually go ballistic.
It doesn't go outside the ionosphere and back in again.
Well, I mentioned a story I had about the Columbia crew prior to their burning up in the atmosphere having actually captured on video one particular frame of a big portion of our sky lighting up red, not associated with a sprite or an elve or anything like that.
This was some new phenomena of the atmosphere just turning red.
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Hello?
I think your guest last night who had told you about it, I think that's where you found out about it.
Okay, someone had gone onto my website because I had posted this up last week on the Superforce site on our paper that refers to the space shuttle and this Columbia accident.
And we had a couple of years ago theorized that because the shuttle was flying through from dusk to dawn, or the dusk to dawn current sheet, meaning we had the shuttle flying from darkness into daylight, at about that time, it started to experience the major problems.
Now, I'm not saying that a hole in the wing from liftoff wasn't the damage, but definitely there looks to be a different problem there.
And we had theorized that it could have been one of these high-altitude lightning sources.
Well, the Columbia Accident Investigation Board looked at this and said, we've never seen this event ever in any of the materials we've ever looked at, having a high-altitude lightning charge without a thundercloud present.
Well, of course, the same shuttle mission that crashed captured this tiger event, which is high-altitude lightning.
Bill in Knoxville, Tennessee asks straight out, do chemtrails have anything to do with HAARP?
You know, you both know, if you've listened to this program at all, what chemtrails are allegedly.
They're particles dispersed by aircraft, one way or the other.
To your knowledge, is there any interaction, either real or theoretical, between HARP and these particles?
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I don't even know if there's such a thing as chemtrails myself other than the exhaust effluents that come off the back of engines, and I studied that for years myself.
So I would give it a big no, that even if there was, I wouldn't think that HARP would require anything to get where it needs to get.
Is there anything so potentially dangerous or in fact dangerous about HAARP that either one of you are aware of that in your mind you believe it should be banned?
I would say these rain-making devices, because they're operating at surface level and because people are so influenced by different iron ratios, that those themselves should be banned.
That's an area I think we're playing with that we don't want to know the outcome of that.
We don't want to do the research with working devices out there on a general population where this stuff hasn't really been tested before.
In the case of HAAA, it's a required defense tool.
Nowadays, you have to have it.
And before 9-11, my view on something like HARP was quite different.
So I think that to assuage some of Guy's concerns and listeners' concerns, I would have to disagree with the fundamental fear that Guy feels in this matter.
But if you put us in a corner, and if we had to use something like this, if something like a HARP existed or one of the other systems existed, then you'd use it.
End of story.
That's not to say it exists, but if we had to use something like this, and if it didn't exist, we would bring it into existence and it will exist and we'd use it, probably.
The doctor may not be able to answer this question, but maybe your other speaker will.
The Heart Project, and from what you've been saying, if I understand you right, blows holes through the ionosphere.
Yes.
Me being a student of Earth science and also an electrician, I've read quite a bit about the high-energy laser that's located in New Mexico, and he happened to just mention New Mexico.
And I'm actually wondering, although it's maybe classified, if punching those holes in there would allow that high-energy laser to zap geosecret satellite.
Is there a classified angle to that and you can't talk about it?
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Well, I can speak to the laser in New Mexico.
The laser is completely experimental in nature, and that's part of another initiative that is in the public domain, by the way, that's used to track potential penetrations into the atmosphere with regard to biologicals, that sort of thing.
And imagine if you have...
There's a similar system in D.C. that goes out about 300 miles.
It constantly scans the skies for intrusions such as biologicals, those sorts of things.
And I don't think that that kind of laser, particularly with regard to the caller mentioned in New Mexico, that's not the purpose.
That's not an offensive weapon.
That's a monitoring system.
And getting a laser through the ionosphere, I mean, there was that shuttle experiment years ago where they beamed the laser onto the cockpit window of the shuttle.
Let me digress just for a second, Art, with regard to the caller's inquiry and that laser system.
In last month's issue of National Defense Magazine, it's put out by the NDIA, which I'm a LIFE member, by the way, there's a nice article in there that talks about the defense system over D.C. that uses that exact same system.
So you can go to NDIA's website, NDIA.org, and do a little homework, and you can find out more about that.
A question is that if you have a dissociation or incomplete combustion of gases in the upper atmosphere, this could result in solid carbon atoms, which when they're dispersed, would just be a colloidal dispersion.
But if the HARP were to ionize that region, it would cause them, just like in a liquid, to flocculate and come down as strings or large twisted strings of carbon.
And this would be evidenced as an increase in precipitation like on the west coast or the east coast this week.
That's with the assumption that the output of the harp system was outputting at a particular frequency that could enable such a phenomenon to present itself.
The frequencies, guy, I don't think the frequency is high enough to do that.
With my understanding of the hydrocarbon and carboxyl chains and the composition, even as the caller points out, marginal combustion had not taken place.
What he's alluding to is the trails and possible contrails and excitation that the same call, the former caller, had queried.
That's the same incidence.
You're not able to, with this marginal HARP system, output frequency levels enough to cause an excitation to combust those particulates.
Once again, though, what I had heard is that they're using combinations of very low frequencies, and then, of course, you're left with, we all know, the sum and the difference of those frequencies when they beat against each other to achieve a frequency that otherwise would never be prolific at that point in the ionosphere.
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One of my areas of expertise has to do with EMF, electromotive force weaponry and emitter systems.
And in 25 years, I have not seen or been able to reduce to practice in any of the laboratories that I've been in multiple phases within the ELF spectrum.
Now, it's not to say someone else is not doing it.
If it was in the public domain, perhaps, but you're having to be very careful here, so So are you having - if let's try it this way: if you were involved in the current HARP project, would you be able to say so?
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Yes.
I think we're all involved in the HAARP project, in a sense, in that our tax dollars support such efforts.
One discount, one non-discount, and one international line on the airway.
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Then let me offer Touche, because I've discounted you a few times tonight.
On the Israeli connection, I'd heard in the grapevine that Israel had a heater array, a secret heater array, but I've heard no follow-up, no confirmation on that, and I have no knowledge that HAARP is in any way, shape, or form being used or run by the Israelis.
And we've been talking about some pretty exotic stuff.
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It's kind of hard to tell sometimes, and I'll have a question about all that in a moment.
Okay, so it's a multiple antenna array phased together for a specific purpose.
Now, it's our understanding that the purpose in the case of HAARP is that unlike all radio as a ham radio operator or as a terrestrial broadcaster, television radio, it doesn't matter.
These signals start out single source point pretty much, and they go out in almost all directions with some rare specific exceptions or even not so rare.
We have directional radio stations and so forth.
But basically, they want to cover as much territory as they start off small and get big.
In the case of HAARP, you start off big on the ground and get small.
So you end up with a very tiny little area of intense concentration of incredible power at the ionospheric level.
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Actually, the way a phased array antenna system works, the gentleman that called, he said he's an operator.
And he would know that the phased array antenna system, and this will get back to what Guy had imparted earlier, phases shifts of signals.
And these are transmitted from individual elements in such a way that they can be steered.
And you mentioned it takes three of these large arrays.
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Guy mentioned that.
Yeah, I should add to that that when HAARP is active in certain modes, you will find two other signals in that narrow area that are operating on the same frequency.
Listen to those combinations of frequencies that they're achieving, and those two other shifts as the audio signal continues.
So I won't burden you with more of it.
It's weird stuff.
There's no question.
What do you suppose what we were just hearing was intended to achieve, gentlemen?
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Well, the name of the array that the DOD says they canceled is frequency independent phased array antenna, and the name indicates it's frequency-independent.
Those noises are definitely the same ones I'm hearing on my shortwave radio.
Gee, what a treat and a real true Sunday with a cherry on top.
Thanks, John.
Ever since I first heard of harp, and then I learned how to spell it, I've been running in my head, Joshua fought the Battle of Jericho, and the walls came tumbling down.
So in my mind, true or not, I'm just the kid at the kids' table over here on Thanksgiving, the small one, y'all are at the adult table.
But is it not the bottom line of HAARP?
Other uses maybe, but the bottom line being that weapon to bring down the walls and structures of any enemy, and the byproduct being the way it treats the animals, including the human animals, as you spoke of earlier, you know, physically incapacitating them.
In the case of people, I don't think we're there yet where we can actually incapacitate a person with HARP at any kind of a distance.
I may be totally wrong about that, but my knowledge of a system like this would be that it can influence positive ions, and that'll have some effect on people, but it's not going to put everyone to sleep in NORAD in the middle of Colorado.
Is the HAARP facility itself safe for people to be at, or is it operated remotely for a reason?
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Well, if you look at the pictures on the website, on the Superforce site of HAARP, you'll see there's an aircraft radar, very close proximity to the aircraft alert radar, they call it, very close proximity to the array.
The reason for that is you do not want a plane flying within that signal.
But I heard a rumor that an Israeli DJ, who's a musical DJ, discovered a way through sound waves and different frequencies to purify water, and that the Coca-Cola company hired him to work on this.
I'm not saying it isn't so, but I've not heard about it.
And I doubt my guests have.
Have you, guests?
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The only thing I've heard about Coca-Cola and water was their little fiasco in England there where they were using tap water for their bottled product.
And when that was discovered a couple of months ago, they shut the process down.
Oh, okay.
Well, my second question is if you guys could just explain a little bit more about fractals.
And there goes our phone system getting crazy with us again.
It does really odd things, kind of like I think HAARP does.
Surely you both would admit there could be unintended consequences involved in the operation of HARP.
Could there not?
I mean, surely the scientists cannot know every effect this is going to have or even reasonably guess on what it might do at certain power levels and combinations of tones and such.
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Well, I know with the shuttle accident taking place in the ionosphere, the comments were made over and over again that it's the ignorant sphere.
They call it the Dhammasphere.
Yeah, because we really don't understand it that well.
And like Einstein says, we know 1% of 1% of 1% of all there is to know.
And definitely there are things that we do in any science that have unexpected consequences out there.
So that's all I'm trying to suggest, that when you're considering unintended consequences, some of the work being done, as you point out, in the medical world and now in our whole atmosphere, it's so all-encompassing.
I don't know that we've ever done that before except for that atom-bomb moment.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Guy Kramer and Dr. Joseph Resnick.
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Hi.
Yeah, good evening, Art.
This is Robert from Vancouver Island, British Columbia.
Yeah, listen, I have a comment to make about the power failure that occurred, which may have been related to something to do with HARP in the year 2003, in August.
What happened is that the Department of National Defense in Canada was requested by the Department of Defense in the United States to build a Tesla antenna at a communication research establishment, which is just east of Ottawa.
And apparently, when they built this thing and tested it in August of 2003, they apparently basted a hole through to the ionosphere, but it also caused a power surge which blew the grid for Quebec, Ontario, and all the northeastern states.
What I'm interested in knowing is if this was related to some research that they would have been doing for HAARP.
I would like to ask this, too, that if anything occurs to either one of you after the show or in the next few days or weeks or months that you want to get out about HARP, that you feel ought to be out about HAARP, I would hope that you would pick up the phone, contact my producer, and let it flow from there, right?
As I said to you earlier, it is going to be up to you, in your own mind, to decide whether what you just heard was the straight stuff, the straight stuff perhaps in small nuggets, or not straight stuff at all, or whatever.
But certainly we heard things about HAARP tonight that I had not heard before, quite a number of things that it's going to take me a while to digest.
In the meantime, that's it.
Show's over.
What a weekend.
Thank you so very much from the high desert, Crystal Gale With just the right words.
Good night.
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Good night in the desert, shooting stars across the sky.
This magical journey will take us on a ride filled with the longing, searching for the truth.