Dr. Jim Hardt, physicist and psychologist, pioneers alpha brainwave training via EEG feedback to reverse aging—boosting IQ by 12 points and reducing anxiety in elderly women with a $250K NIH-funded study. His method, used on Green Berets and a San Francisco 49er player, doubles mystical experiences while avoiding dependency risks of other altered-state technologies like HemiSync or psychedelics. Military trainees (80% willing to pay $1K) and executives leverage it for emotional clarity, even healing trauma or quitting careers after confronting suppressed truths. Hardt’s approach contrasts with dangerous devices like the "biotumer" and TM, offering measurable, long-term shifts in cognition and well-being through conscious control of brainwave patterns. [Automatically generated summary]
Do a couple of other things and then do open lines until we get to our guest next hour.
His name is Dr. James Hart.
promises to be very very interesting indeed a lot about uh...
I think I'll just make you wait.
Biofeedback, I guess, is one little hint I could throw you, but it's going to be interesting.
Mohammed Abbas declared victory in Palestinian presidential elections Sunday after exit polls showed him winning by a wide margin.
So you see, every now and then, exit polls are right, giving him a decisive mandate to renew peace talks with Israel, rein in militants, and try to end more than four years of Midi's bloodshed, a lot of blood.
The victory of the staid and pragmatic Abbas, who opposes violence and has the backing of the international community, was expected to usher in a new era after four decades of chaotic corruption and corruption-riddled rule by Yaser Arafat, who passed on to whatever, virgin territory on November 11th.
In Indonesia, one of the rescue planes has crashed, a U.S. helicopter actually, on a relief operation, and that has suspended operations for at least a short time.
Strong aftershocks, as well as security concerns, provided yet more challenges as we try desperately to get things to those who need them.
After this awful event, a videotape, in fact, shot as a tsunami swept through Indonesia's Ake province, aired for the first time Sunday.
It showed a roiling torrent of dark brown water engulfing a busy street, picking up cars, minivans, sending people scrambling up the sides of buildings, videotape broadcast by Metro TV, a commercial channel based in Jakarta, apparently shot by a cameraman who normally photographs weddings.
But there he was.
He captured a horrific record of the entire unfolding December 26 disaster starting minutes after a giant sea earthquake in the Indian Ocean, brought down buildings, including a scene hours later showing a long line of corpses covered with cloth.
There are detailed photographs circulating on the internet in which the corpses are not covered, and they were lying in some really awful stuff.
I don't know if you've seen it.
I hope not, in a way.
U.S. troops opened fire near a checkpoint south of Baghdad after their convoy was hit by a roadside bomb, and a hospital official said on Sunday that at least eight people were killed in the second American attack in two days to have deadly results.
In other violent Sunday, a U.S. soldier assigned to the task force Baghdad was killed by a roadside bomb, while a Marine was killed in action in the volatile Anbar province.
Now, a little closer to home and very close to me, areas of the Sierra Nevada, famous for large amounts of snow, have really hit bingo.
Nobody's ever quite seen anything like it.
Steep drift, very steep drifts, stranding an Amtrak train, they're hard to stop, knocked out the Reno airport, began shutting down major highways across the mountains.
Storms have caused flooding in Southern California and Arizona, but what's going on in Reno?
Again, Southern California, heavy rains and blizzards slammed California on Saturday, triggering floods, mudslides, tying up traffic from Southern California to San Francisco and into the Sierra Nevada mountain range.
In fact, listen to this.
This comes from Fred in Reno.
Keshem keeping up on Reno.
Oh, my God.
The Reno-Tahoe airport is closed since early afternoon.
Says Fred, the end of life as we know it, or it seems exactly like the day after tomorrow.
He says, indeed, it's one for the history books and one of the top snow producers in the entire last century.
A strong storm adds big numbers to Friday's snowstorm totals with a strong feed of tropical moisture.
This is the gathering of the storms, folks.
The movement of moisture from the Pacific and snowy pattern here continues with a bit of break on Sundays, says Fred.
The winter storm warning has been extended to 4 a.m. on Tuesday by the National Weather Service.
Also, strong wind gusts will bring dangerous white-out conditions, and new layers of snow bring increasing avalanche dangers.
It's the worst storm since 1911.
Winds at the mountain crests at the Sierra up over 150 miles an hour.
And they have just feet, well, he says we've got over four feet of snow in the last 24 hours in the North Valley.
That's north of Reno by seven miles.
So there are people, I imagine, in the Reno area looking out their windows and seeing nothing but white.
And I don't mean a white blanket.
I mean white up at the windows.
That kind of snow in.
More in a moment.
Music By the way, if you have something of intense interest to the audience, then you are welcome to call.
The lines are open now, and we'll get to it shortly.
Remember last night, somebody called and said that he had heard that well water in Virginia was sloshing around for several minutes following the Indonesian earthquake?
Remember that?
Well, here it is.
This comes from the Times Dispatch, Richmond, Virginia.
Spawned by the South Asian earthquake, seismic waves roiling deep within the earth made Virginia well water rise and fall by three feet, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.
So it's true, strong oscillations at a 450-foot deep well near the Round Meadow Country Club in Christianburg in western Virginia started about an hour after the magnitude 9 quake struck 9,600 miles away.
Now that's very nearly as far as you can go without beginning back again.
In other words, the other side of the world.
Seismic waves travel through the earth at, get this, did you know the figure?
Do you know how fast they travel?
7,400 miles an hour.
It took another five hours for the sloshing to settle out.
That water is going up and down, up and down, up and down in that well.
That's a quote from a under a groundwater specialist, David Nelms.
He said the height of the oscillation came about 77 minutes after the powerful earthquake struck near Sumatra.
The water level then rose about two feet, according to Nels.
Data indicate the water came at least within four inches of the surface, perhaps even spilling out.
We saw it here.
What's amazing to me is we saw it here.
In about an hour, we were seeing something from the earthquake on the other side of the world.
So that's fairly amazing when you sit and think a little bit about it.
The other side of the world.
Just about as far as you can go without starting back again.
Now here's a little weird news, very weird news actually, and you can go to the website, coast2asam.com, I believe, and see the map I'm about to describe and look at the area I'm about to talk about and decide if you think it's true or not.
It comes from the India Daily.
And the headline is, China and India both know about underground UFO bases deep in the Himalayan border area and deep into the tectonic plates.
Now, I'm going to have trouble with these names.
It's Khangka is the low ridge pass in the Himalayas, the blue oval in the map that you can see on the website.
It is in the disputed India-China border area.
In the map, the red zone is, and again you can see the map on our website, is the disputed area still under Chinese control.
The Chinese-held northeastern part is known as Aksai Chin, and Indian southwest is known as Light.
This was where Indian and Chinese armies fought major wars in 1962.
The area is one of the least accessed areas in the world, and by agreement, the two countries do not patrol that part of the border.
According to many tourists, Buddhist monks and local people in that area, Indian Army and Chinese military alike, maintain a line of control, but there is something much more serious happening in that particular area.
According to a few locals, people on the Indian and the Chinese side, that's what makes it so interesting.
This is where the UFOs are seen.
Brace yourself now, coming out of the ground.
According to many, the UFO underground bases are in this region, and both the Indian and Chinese government know this very well.
Recently, some Hindu pilgrims on their way to Mount Kailash, is it, in the western pass, came across strange lights in the sky.
Local guides, while in the Chinese territory, told them that this was nothing new, and it is a normal phenomena from Hagapass area and the tense border between India and China.
The strange lighted triangular, key word, triangular, silent crafts show up from underground and move almost vertically up.
Some of the adventure, some pilgrims wanted to look into the site.
They were first turned by the Chinese guardposts as they were refused entry from the Chinese side, and then they tried to approach the side from the Indian, the other way, the Indian side, the Indian Border Patrol, also turned them back.
Now, if you want to read this whole article, you're going to want to make it up to the website.
So, what have we here?
We have a map of a disputed area between India and China where both sides, the Indian and the Chinese side, have viewed these triangular craft coming out of the earth and rising vertically into the air.
Yeah, last week NASA announced that they were going to go blow up an asteroid that we are going to be able to see it from Earth here, and that date was going to be on the 4th of July.
I'm well aware that we are going to smack into an asteroid at rather high speed for some sort of scientific purpose, but I wasn't aware it was on the 4th of July.
I certainly wasn't aware that we'd be able to see it.
I know we have plans to smack into one of those suckers.
And then I also know we have plans to collect some stuff from behind one of these fast movers.
I don't know if it's one of the icebergs or rocks, but we're going to collect the leavens and bring them back to Earth.
And I've thought a lot about that.
I'm not sure it's an altogether wise thing for us to do, but we're going to do it.
Wildcard line, you are on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Yes, hi, Art.
I'm calling was wondering if you, I think you had a caller a few months ago talking about phone numbers, people dialing numbers, the dead talking to the live, I guess, via the phone.
Well, I do have white noise here, sir, but I wouldn't want you to get burned.
unidentified
Oh, okay, but it's very small.
Over the whole radial bandwidth, it's about a nanowatt's worth, but I'm thinking of integrating a chip with billions of diodes in parallel that would aggregate this.
The Reuters News Service wrote a story about this.
Some scientists drilled what was said to be the deepest hole in the world ever drilled into the ground in Siberia.
At some point, some of the scientists thought they heard something coming from one of the holes.
Many people feel this is some sort of urban myth, but I'm telling you it was in Reuters.
Anyway, I did obtain a recording of it some years ago of what they allegedly recorded when they lowered mics, microphones that is, into that hole.
I am now going to play that for you, and it is said that after they played back what they captured, they all took off and ran just like what you're going to hear, hell, ran like hell.
Yeah, the Science Museum sent me the kind of background on it.
We're in the middle of the state.
We're not in the mountains.
We have some hills.
When you get to Charlottesville, that's more or less the foothills of Blue Ridge, and that's where we've had some earthquakes over the period since 1700s.
So here we have in Richmond something in 1774, something 100 years later, and always with small magnitudes.
Actually, all of them are fairly small.
4.5.
Well, last year, at the first week of December, we had a 4.5 in this Area and then exactly almost to the day a year later we had a 2.5 I think it was and then the north side of the city here they have put in some seismic act what do you call it recording devices because they've had these booms and no one knew what these booms were coming from now they think it's just
underneath the ground just a shaking kind of a small amount.
Yes, and indeed, and what's interesting about this area is that Gordon Michael Scallion, whom you know, on your show a lot, when he was lecturing here in the 90s, he came down once, and he said that he was determined by his psychic abilities that this area actually is going
to, in the land, in the other, when the changes come, that it will be rising from Richmond onto an area of 50, 100 miles.
Yeah, well, in this area, I thought it was hysterical that he would say that this area would rise, because you know, the Southerners have said, save your Confederate money, the South will rise again, and here it is, the Confederate capital.
didn't make any deal with anybody that was a certain director's sense of humor who obviously listens to this program and I thought it was hysterical it shows good taste well you'll recall that the theatrical perump was nothing but a bunch of bleachers in the middle of nowhere middle of the desert yes well the real perump is now coming up on 40,000
population sir and uh...
people are moving here faster damn near by percentage than they are to las vegas it's incredible what's going on here so it wasn't that empty place you saw well have a good morning and do me a favor destroy that paper haha
never there could be certain dangers involved in the destruction of that tape he refers of course to the the tapes of the sound of or whatever it is down there i have you know it probably serves as a good reminder to uh...
water to be good was to the rockies you're on the air hello yeah i are going to say extinguisher radio please it's extinguished uh...
is that it physical portia for elect electromatic or shift your choice of both stories are circulating one would be a uh...
uh...
very mundane uh...
you'd barely notice it but compass would be different kind of shift and the other brings on three hundred mile an hour winds and sort of wipes mankind off the face of the globe kind of deal so both uh...
unidentified
okay so so it was that the basis behind your uh...
uh...
story and the movie uh...
day after tomorrow then not at all okay okay okay uh...
but here's what i'm thinking of the we all know the polarized caps are melting let's focus on the northern polarize cap all that fresh waters got to go somewhere that's right what what the bearing straight when i read that i would need to wait a minute uh...
let's be sure that we understand what we're talking about here the ice in the north is sir is already in the water so we're not going to have a serious event as a result of the polar ice melting uh...
you know it's like ice cubes and glass they melt in the uh...
the level remains the same in the southern the southern part of the world in the antarctic fact uh...
the ross ice shelf for example if that goes into the water uh...
so will uh...
unidentified
many american seacoast cities okay up in the north though here's what i'm thinking if that fresh water which is out there and all of all the ice melts basically in the north yes it'll go down towards the north atlantic which will block the gulf strain which would push it further south and then the northern polar ice cap would form over towards say uh...
iceland in scotland and finland instead of where it is now geographically the building located again visiting this just for the sake of discussion the danger in the fresh water melt is not so much as you described as it is the fresh water diluting the salinity
of the ocean and then uh perhaps the uh the north at the atlantic current uh halting and should that occur why europe would uh very quickly freeze over and uh North America to a lesser but still catastrophic extent would be affected.
So it's not as though it's meaningless what's going on up there.
It's still very dangerous.
It's just that it will not account for sea level rise different, or dangerous rather, in a different way.
And by that I mean I don't do programs just to be doing them.
For example, Bugs is a very good example.
There was every reason in the world to do that program when we had Bugs.
This is a man who shot a couple of these creatures, knew where they were buried.
I mean, if you listen to that show, and I would recommend that everybody do so, objectively listening, you could tell this man was telling us the truth.
I do believe that there is more money to be made by chasing a cure instead of finding a cure, because if we do find a cure, then they will make these doctors and whoever researchers will make no money.
So you think that perhaps the medical profession or, I don't know, some pharmaceutical company or something actually has a cure and they're suppressing it so they can keep making money.
And I think that if there was a cure for cancer, the amount of money in that would be so astronomical.
And there would be so much goodwill for those who had found it that indeed it would be out there.
And I know this goes down in the category then of the hundred or the carburetor that runs on water, the machines that produce more output than they take in, being perpetual motion and giving us free energy.
It puts it in that category in a way, if you listen to that color, as that color does, but I don't.
And I believe that if we had a cure for cancer, it would darn well be out there now, albeit somewhat expensive, but it would be out there.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
I wanted to correct the gentleman you had in the first half hour.
Hi, I just wanted to talk to you about that Global Consciousness Project and some of the information that they've recovered over these couple events recently.
Everybody should know that what we're referring to is this project at Princeton University to monitor the global consciousness pool through a series of eggs or computers scattered geographically around the world.
And by God, once again, even after the 9-11 event, which began to spike before the event itself, 30 minutes ahead of the earthquake and tsunami, it began to rise way the hell up off scale at Princeton.
And so they're beginning to build a record of, what would you call it, credibility in the area?
unidentified
Absolutely.
Yeah.
What if they're registering angelic and demonic activity prior to these major events?
But anything that begins registering 30 minutes ahead of an event that otherwise is unpredictable, you know when you know the real story on it, it's going to be a big story, right?
Right.
Because it means that in some way there's time travel, precognition, something going on.
Yeah, I can tell you're biased the angel possibility, which is fine.
One thing, as I said, though, for sure, is that whatever, as Paul would say, the rest of the story turns out to be, it's going to be major, and it's going to just rock everybody's world.
All right, coming up in a moment, we'll begin a different kind of adventure from the high desert, the soggy high desert, in the middle of the night.
I'm Art Bell.
unidentified
I'm Art Bell.
I'm Art Bell.
I'm Art Bell.
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With our pleasure to start you through the weekend coming up now, Dr. James V. Hartr serves as the president and founder of Bio Cybernaut Institute.
That's right, Bio Cybernaut Institute, Inc.
He holds a B.S. in Physics from Carnegie Institute of Technology, an M.S. and Ph.D. in psychology from Carnegie Mellon University.
He has done postdoctoral training in psychophysiology at the University of California in San Francisco.
Dr. Hart has earned a national reputation as a preeminent research scientist for his over 30 years of work in biofeedback.
He regularly presents at numerous prestigious national and international meetings and has published in leading scholarly journals such as Science, Psychophysiology, and the Journal of Experimental Psychology.
One has to admit the term or word bio-cybernaut is really fascinating, and we're about to ask Dr. Hart what it is.
If I were to be asked what a biocybernaut was, do you remember that movie in which a number of medical people were shrunk along with their submarine, and then they were injected into the living human body that was ill, and they went coursing around the veins and vital organs of this person, fixing and dodging as they went?
Norbert Wiener made up the science of cybernetics, science of automated control systems.
And in this case, we're using computers interfaced intimately with the brain activity so that people can, in fact, go on voyages of discovery inside their own mind.
Let's backtrack a little bit to the computers interfacing with the human mind.
I talked to a scientist not very long ago who was going to have himself connected to a computer.
I'm still not altogether sure how that came out, but to be sure, the first experiments in connecting human beings and computers have begun, haven't they?
Well, you can connect many different aspects of the human being.
We're working with the brain activity.
It turns out, for example, if you were to put your hand over your head in the back, and you could, without looking at it, bring together your thumb and each one of your fingers in turn.
But the brain has almost no feedback about its own activity.
It's kind of like a missing link, which we provide with our technology so that the brain can know what it's doing while it's doing it and thereby improve.
And what happened there was this advanced race had hooked up to all the members of their race the ability to project matter and energy.
They'd had a million years of shining sanity.
And the night they did this, monsters from their ids emerged and went around and basically wiped each other out because they harbored negative emotions.
Well, this technology allows people to do the things to, in a sense, produce, it produces a form of ethical cleansing because people do deep forgiveness work and they let go of sadness, anger, fear, and they move into joy as well as having more creativity so they're more likely to use that creativity for the benefit of themselves and others.
Well, we give them about 90 to 95 hours of training in that week.
The days are typically 12 to 14 hours a day.
And some of the time is spent in soundproof chambers listening to a surround sound musical environment where the musical sounds are driven by brain activity at different places on the head.
At two minute intervals, the sounds stop, and you open your eyes and see scores that light up on the screen that tell you how much energy your brain put out at different locations.
So you give a person during this feedback so that they know when they're in an alpha wave state.
Is that what it is about?
And so when you know you're in an alpha wave state, you identify what you're feeling and doing to be there, and you then do it more frequently, and you're able to build the power or the amount of alpha waves.
And those alpha waves correlate, depending on where on the head they increase, with reductions of psychopathology.
In other words, anxiety, paranoia, depression, schizophrenia, all of these negative personality traits, each one of them can be reduced by learning a pattern of alpha increases with a different set of sites in the head.
Doctor, wouldn't that suggest that there would then perhaps be treatment for some psychological disorders within the 78, I published a paper in Science, which demonstrated that you could take people at the extreme high end of anxiety, give them alpha feedback training, and they could end up below average in anxiety.
Yes, by teaching people to increase their alpha brain rates.
Now, to do this really quickly, we embed the feedback in another process, which involves depth interviews.
People interact with a computerized mood scale program, which asks them to describe both before and after their feedback training how they feel in relationship to hundreds of adjectives.
They're wired up while they're doing this, and the computer can tell if they give an answer, which they might think is true.
Like, let me tell you a story.
We had a CEO of a billion-dollar corporation in the training.
He was in the training with four people.
And on the end of the first day, when they came out of the chamber, the first thing they do is they tell their stories, they get interviewed, they get some coaching, and then we go and review their mood skills.
Well, when I opened his mood skills, I saw that the top of the list the word was angry.
And his answer was zero.
He put zero on angry.
But the computer wasn't buying that.
And it expressed its doubt in terms of number of sigmas.
One sigma is a 68% chance the person's answer is wrong.
It startled everybody in the room the way he yelled it.
It was so loud and so angry.
But I started praising women's intuition.
He was married, and I was going to ask the question, what would your wife say if we asked her if there was anything that you're angry about?
Well, he's a bright guy, and he figured out where I was going.
And even before I got to ask the question, he again loudly and angrily yelled no.
And so we very quickly went through his mood scales because every single item where the computer had a disagreement with his answer, the answer was no.
So, okay, we put him aside, we go to the next person.
There are three people in the training.
Okay, now we get to maybe the first or the second item, and the person will pause and sniffle a little, and a tear will come out of their eye.
And they'll say, okay, well, what's the story behind that?
It's something that they had denied, but it was in them.
The computer detected it, and when you ask him about it, they can bring it up, talk about it.
It's cathartic.
It's very healing.
And at the end of the day, he could see that every one of the other three people had grown by dealing with this stuff.
Okay, so day two, he comes in.
He opens his vest for his three pieces, and he takes out and unfolds a long list.
It's everything that he's angry about.
Now, in psychotherapy, this might be year 20, or if you have a good patient, a good therapist, maybe year two, he's in touch with his issues now.
So here's what we tell him to do.
Go into the chamber, get your alpha going, and then bring to mind somebody from your angry list.
And he does this.
And when he does, he gets angry, which means his alpha drops.
Well, at one point when I was a grad student doing research for my dissertation, I recruited a bunch of students from San Francisco State and selected the most 10% disturbed and the least 10% disturbed.
And then I trained them.
And then I gave them MMPIs, which is the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory and other personality tests.
I had these scored, the before and after, and I took them to Maureen O'Sullivan, who was a clinical psychologist working with patients on the locked warts at Langley Porter, part of UCSF.
And she could not believe it.
She was astonished.
She said, what did you do to these people?
I've never seen people so disturbed, look so healthy afterwards.
What if you took the chairman of a multi-billion dollar corporation, immensely successful, and you changed him, Dr. Hart, so that even though he felt jolly and well and relieved and God had entered his life or whatever other wonderful thing happened as a result of all of this,
and then he went back and failed miserably as a CEO, in other words, whatever fire had been in this man, call it anger, had been the reason for his success, and you just sucked it right out of him.
Yes, what if this process, whatever it would be, sucked the, I don't know, the mean chief executive of officer who would thought nothing about sucking up little companies and totally devastating them for his personal and corporate profit.
And he could no longer do that because he thought about the men and women who were working in this little company and couldn't stand affecting their lives.
unidentified
well he'd be a better guy but that company oh she's going on the the Once again, Dr. James Hart.
And Dr. Hart, before we return to our CEO, because I do want to ask you about that again, Laura in Hell's Canyon, Washington, there's a name for you, says, hey, Art, you know, the techniques your guest is describing are almost exactly like those of Scientology.
A galvanic skin response meter hooked up to talk out a patient's hot button, and then they home in and grind off that button by harping on it until, in quotes, clear.
And a number of people have already apparently been to your website and are asking about the $15,000 price tag to go through it, to go through this procedure.
And I've checked here in the Bay Area, there are many professionals that charge $100 per half hour for brainwave feedback training.
And you don't see them getting the kinds of results that we do, including the mystical experiences, because they don't have their people there for 10 to 14 hours a day, seven consecutive days.
It's kind of like an airplane taking off on a runway.
The only way you're going to take off is to taxi continuously.
If you taxied 100 feet and stopped and came back three days later, taxied another 100 feet and so on, eventually you'd reach the runway, but this transformation we call flight wouldn't have happened.
The protocol is mass practice instead of distributed practice.
And because he'd been for two and a half years in writer's block, he was unable to produce his 17th book.
And when, on the end of the first day, when we looked at his brainwaves, the back of the left side of his head, which in a right-handed person, it would be the second biggest of all the energy, of all the channels on the brain, it was a distant last.
Well, that's a channel that's associated with verbal creativity.
And so I said to him, I said, well, I can see why you're in writer's block, because this channel, your left occipital, is so low.
And if you could bring that up, you're likely to get through your writer's block.
So he worked on it.
Second day it came up.
Third day, it went up enormously.
And we saw movement on the polygraph traces, heard talking in the chamber over the intercom, called in, are you okay?
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm fine.
The muse of all writers had appeared to him and was downloading to him the complete plot, character development, everything of this novel that he'd been struggling, unable to write.
And he had a pocket tape recorder and he was whipping it out and talking into the tape recorder everything that he'd gotten.
He'd turn the tape recorder off, go back into Alpha, get another download of the story.
And one of the interesting things about that grant, it was working with the elderly, people from 60 up into their 80s.
And the title of the grant was Anxiety and Aging: Intervention with EEG Alpha Feedback.
Anxiety Goes up with age in everyone, goes up faster in women.
So we chose women over 60 as the most difficult ones, maybe, to work with with this technology.
Not only did their anxiety go away, but it was as though they had found the fountain of youth.
There were ladies in their mid-70s who were going to college, getting degrees, starting businesses, starting new relationships.
Alpha waves drop out as people age.
There is a brain aging.
And when alpha is gone, people pretty much enter senescence or senility.
And with this training, you can learn to bring the alpha back, and you can restore your brain to a more youthful state where you have drive, psychic drive, intellectual function.
You know, this is a very large claim you're making about this, a gigantic claim.
and i guess it how is it backed up scientifically uh...
other than anecdotal evidence or you can go to the website for example but i thought that dot com but in words if i were to ask you that everyone i am asking you that you know a gigantic claim, indeed.
unidentified
So, how do you look at the before and after brain waves?
You can take somebody who has you don't need statistics if you see a big enough change.
But, of course, we have done statistics on this.
And we even know, in a sense, why it happens, the alpha waves in the brain are dependent on blood flow.
And as people get older, their blood vessels become constricted, inelastic, and clawed.
And so when one study done in 1953 by Rothenberg, Corday, and Putnam, they took monkeys and clamped one of the carotid arteries, shutting off blood flow to that hemisphere.
Except for the circle of Willis, there's very little blood flow exchanged between the two hemispheres.
And the alpha waves in the hemisphere that was clamped went away.
They were replaced by the senile brainwave pattern of mixed theta and beta waves.
When they unclamped, blood flow returned, and the waves came back.
If someone were to place a temperature probe on your finger and turn it into a beep or a number flashing on the screen, you could try different images and see what would warm your hands.
Now, what you're learning is how to dilate the blood vessels that feed your fingers.
In fact, sometimes we even get what we call an alpha tan.
When the brain figures out how to increase the blood flow, it kind of like gets so excited that it'll increase blood flow not only to the brain, but to the face.
And people come out of the chamber, they look like they spent a week in Bermuda.
Done a quarter million dollar federal grant, and we work with patients.
At one point, we worked with a retired general who was 88 and his 87-year-old girlfriend.
Now, on the fifth day, when they came out of the chamber, they were so, shall we say, youthened that they joined hands, danced around in a circle, and he wanted to throw her over his shoulder and run up and down the stairs.
I said, you know, Henry, I don't think our insurance will cover this.
And now you're also claiming, are you not, that people have certain experiences sometimes, as in seeing entities, what they might regard as angels, or these kinds of experiences.
But he went through five days with alpha dominance at the back of his head, which is a typical pattern.
And on the fifth day, it changed so that it was central dominance.
And in order to see astroplane beings, centrals need to be higher than occipitals, and they both need to be above certain ranges in terms of the energy.
He produced that pattern, and he held it for about 20 minutes.
And I said to my technician, when he comes out of the chamber, he's going to have quite a story.
Well, when he came out of the chamber, I can't say he was white as a sheet because he was a big black guy, but he was the most shaken I had ever seen him.
And it took about a half an hour of coaxing before I could assure him that it was okay to talk about what he had seen and he had seen three angels in the chamber.
Do you have any science has, I believe, identified a part of the brain that might be active when people are having these sorts of experiences in seeing something or perhaps even OBEs.
There have been a few studies, I believe, and there's all sorts of very interesting brain activity going on when those things happen.
But what I'm pleased to say is that it takes away some of the heat in the discussions between science and religion and replaces it with understanding and with love and with data.
Well, I'd say one of the best ways is to do some exploration.
Whether you do that through prayer or meditation.
Personal experience is the way in, in my view.
And it's great to read and to hear stories about other people, having profound spiritual or religious experiences.
But I think the most important thing is for you to have the experiences yourself, because that way you go from believing into knowing, having a direct personal experience of the divine, which is the kind of thing that saints in both Christianity and yogis and Zen will speak about.
And I all of a sudden, in one undefinable amount of time, just instantly was up above Paris, way up above Paris.
And I had the most joyful, wonderful, indescribable experience.
And then, bam, I was right back in my body.
Only time it's ever happened.
But it was incredible.
But still, Doctor, I can't sit here and say that that makes me understand that there is life after death, that what I had was not a gift given to me by, I don't know, luck where I was, my state of being at the time, whatever, but a product of my complex human brain.
Nothing guaranteeing a life outside of that.
You know, when the blood flow stops to the brain, then that kind of thing may stop too, for all I know.
Okay, well, if we could measure the brain waves, when you were doing it, you would get the pattern, and then you could train to reproduce that pattern.
And what I've recognized is that there are, because that experience is actually fairly common for people doing this training.
More than 10, maybe 15% of the people will have that in their first week.
And it's associated with very high health activity.
I mean, you might turn him into an entirely different individual who subjectively might be a better individual, a better human being, but not worth a damn as a CEO anymore.
Because our experience has been that businessmen and women typically say that in the year after their training, they've had the most successful year of their life in their business and in their personal relationships.
In fact, you can go to the website, biocybernot.com, and there are testimonials there from businessmen and businesswomen saying exactly this thing.
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Well, you and I both would wish that we could move to a stage one culture rather faster than the hundred years that we heard as what we're looking at.
Now, one of the themes is sustainability.
And you could do business as a robber baron slashing and burning, destroying people and lives as you go.
But there are better ways to do business.
And there's ways that can actually make more money by you make your competitors into your allies and you establish productive relationships with them.
Now this isn't to say that people who have a slash and burn mentality may in fact be shoved out of business by people who operate with compassion and understanding and taking care of the customer and ethical relationships in business.
Earlier I heard you say white noise and beeps, and you sort of went right past that.
But I have a feeling it has to do with the process.
In other words, the person's brain is being monitored, and then I would guess that there's a baseline established that is represented by the white noise, and then there are beeps when that baseline is exceeded by some certain amount as the person sits there and tries to reproduce that again and again.
And the IQ test that we used, the Kauffman Adolescent and Adult Intelligence Test, two dimensions, one corresponding to verbal, the other to mathematical.
Now, in the verbal, most of the items were vocabulary-based, like word A is to word B, is word C is to, and then you have a choice.
If you don't know any of those words, if it's not any vocabulary, it doesn't matter how smart you are, you can't fill out, you can't complete that test.
But on the verbal test, there were two things of how well you can communicate.
We would play tapes of like little news stories, and immediately after, then we would ask the people questions about what was said in the news story.
And then three hours later, we would ask other questions, which hadn't been asked, where the answers were in those stories.
And so those measure auditory recall and delayed auditory recall.
And those two abilities were so profoundly enhanced by this alpha training that it brought the whole dimension of crystallized IQ into statistical significance.
Let me speak to that directly, because frequently people who have done psychedelics will come in, do this training, and long about day five, they'll say, they'll come out of the chamber, and they'll say, man, that was better than my best acid trip.
We had one guy who had done 20 years of TM meditation.
Well, you know, Ramdas asked that one time of his guru about LSD.
He said, well, it's not the true samadhi.
But the guru said to Ramdas, it could be useful for some people in some times, in some places.
But in point of fact, it's much better if you could learn to produce the brainwaves of that yourself because then you have access to it whenever you want.
Scott in Austin, Texas, a lot of Texas this morning, says, please ask the doctor to get to the point, how you get to the point, where you can reach, where you can, I'm sorry, reach the increased alpha wave state that allows you to achieve these astral images that he was talking about.
In what way does that differ from what we've been discussing?
Is there some specific answer you can give him?
Better yet, can this be done by individuals at home?
When we did the federal grant, which there were ladies living on Social Security, we actually paid them to go through the training, we surveyed them a year later and we asked them if a portable unit were available for $1,000, would you buy one?
So this is something that ladies from 60 to 80 years old, non-technological ladies on Social Security, valued so much that if it were available, they would have spent $1,000 on it.
Then that begs the question, after the week that you would spend with somebody, would they benefit from having the machine themselves and continuing the process at home?
We couldn't tell them for a year what was going on, but we did bring them back at six months and at 12 months for a follow-up.
And we found that they were improved At six months beyond where they were in the week immediately after training, in terms of personality profiles, had improved, and at 12 months they were further improved.
I'd seen a lot of things in the library that suggested that if we could increase alpha waves in the elderly, we could restore them to youthful experiences, youthful behaviors, youthful motivation, youthful intellectual function.
But they exist in Christian culture, they exist in Hindu culture, they exist in Buddhist culture.
It's a sort of a universal symbol of goodness and purity.
And it turns out that there is a complex brainwave pattern that we first saw in a Zen master and one of his advanced students, which if you talk to any electrical engineer, we're talking like a real hard-nosed maybe atheist, if I were to show an electrical engineer atheist this brainwave pattern, he would say, oh, well, in phase space, over the head, there would be a torus.
You know what a torus is?
It's like a donut.
And depending on the frequency of the two brainwaves that are coherent, and they have to follow Fibonacci scaling according to the Fibonacci numbers, what you get then is a torus in phase space.
And the fact that Fibonacci, the brainwave frequency, center frequencies are related as Fibonacci numbers means that their ratios are irrational and they resist mode locking at the border of chaos.
And so the halo can be stable, or the torus in phase space can be stable.
If somebody produces this particular brainwave pattern that we saw in the Zenmaster, you would say any scientist, electrical engineer, would be able to say over his head there would be a torus in phase space.
It's a mathematical abstraction.
But I make a leap of sort of intuition, maybe a leap of faith, by saying that that's probably what people who describe halos are seeing.
In fact, the traditional place to wear a yarmulke is exactly over the place of the brain where the halo is most likely to appear.
When we introduce an analog of coherence to our training program in October of 95, the rate of profound spiritual experiences, which have doubled from 1 in 20 to 1 in 10 over 15 years of work, all of a sudden jumped from 1 in 10 to 3 out of 5 just by introducing half of the halo pattern into the feedback.
Well, I found out that there are major differences in the superconscious state of yogis than the superconscious state of Zen monks.
In India, it's called Samadhi, and in Japan, in the Zen tradition, it's called Satori.
Both are characterized by very high alpha, but with significant differences.
A yogi in Samadhi is gone to this world.
You can bang symbols in his ear, touch him with a branding iron, put his arm in a bucket of water for a half hour filled with ice, and his alpha just keeps going.
It's like he's not there.
And this goes along with the philosophy of yoga: that all of four-dimensional space-time is an illusion, and there is a higher reality that you can get to with meditation.
Well, and see, what we do is closer to Zen than yoga.
Because in the super conscious state in Zen, Satori, it's like they have one foot in the other world and one foot in this world, which is why the bullet trains run on time.
They can make super large chips in their clean rooms.
So they have mastery of this world and the transcendent world, which is unlike what you see in India.
So in both the Samadhi and Satori, there's very high alpha, but the alpha in Satori and Zin is interruptible by an event in the real world, what we would call the real world.
And so it's a way that you can, in a sense, go back and forth, go into that state, get insights, bring them back.
That's what happens in alpha.
You go and you get insights, you bring them back, you apply them in the real world, make the world better.
I take it that your feeling is to get to the type one that Dr. Kaku was talking about last night, people are going to have to essentially go through this transformation en masse.
I believe in the shamanic tradition where the temple was a place one went to alter their consciousness, and the priest was the guide, and Ayaswaka, or some alkaloid, was the facilitator.
And I just can't help wonder, everybody, if this isn't science's symbolic replacement of the fact that we've used laws to cut us off from the old path.
And to answer the comment of the caller, which was a very deep question, one of the things that brainwave feedback does is it profoundly democratizes spiritual experience because instead of relying on a drug or a priest or a shaman or a yogi or a guru or whatever to put you into the altered state, you have the ability to do that on your own through the technology, which is simply an extension of your brain's ability.
So my question for him was, has he done any research with people who were already doing healing work and PK stuff and remote viewing and to see what the increase would be in their facility with these abilities?
His question, though, directly was, when you take these people already involved in these disciplines, oh, for example, remote viewing, are you able to assist them in even further enhancing?
In fact, I'm going to be at the Winter Brain Conference in February in Palm Springs, February 4 to 8, giving a paper and a workshop on how this training enhanced the ability of a woman who is a reader in the Akashic Records.
And so if you're interested, you know, you can either go to the conference or get the transcripts.
But Yes, it's a woman who was making her living as a reader in the Akashic Records.
She came to do the training.
She actually did the Alpha 1, the Alpha 2, and then she did the Theta 1.
And in the Theta 1 training, her third week of training, her theta waves frontally exploded.
This allowed her to go into the Akashic Records without the ritual, without the prayer, and boom, she was just right there and getting information from it.
Well, and active in terms of, you know, sometimes an area will be active, but it's the way that it's active that determines the pattern of brain waves that determines what the brain is doing.
You can take somebody, and we increased the creativity of Stanford Research Institute scientists 50% in one week.
Now, how much of their brain were they using before?
Well, that's only their creativity.
What about if they did training to increase some of their remote viewing abilities or their psychic healing abilities?
Yes.
The range of abilities that can be enhanced by this technology are beyond our present ability to imagine.
I'm an artist, and just to give you a brief background, I've been exploring art as a medium to heal for 17 years.
And my premise is to magnify, focus, and intensify the healing and therapeutic aspects of an image on the viewer.
And I developed an image that has the 10 archetypes, according to Carl Jung, and was hooked up to Bob Feedback's neural feedback and had kind of an epiphany.
I reached a particularly high alpha state for a very long time.
And I have to do a double-blind study to validate this.
But I want to know from your experience, Doctor, what you know about whether an image, what you know about whether an image can be designed to heal or affect the alpha state in the viewer.
I actually have worked with some people who have gotten stuck in weird trance states by overusing the HemiSync technology.
I have the same kind of problem with the Hemi-Sync that I do with drugs, which is it's something that does something to you rather than you learning how to do something by yourself.
I divide the world into two halves.
One is inducement technologies in which drugs and hemisync and centerpoint and all that stuff fit.
Have you done enough research, doctor, to be confident that with the process you're using of simply increasing the amount of alpha wave activity, people cannot become stuck?
You know, if you are living in a high stress state and staying awake, it's different than if you're in a bliss state, staying awake in terms of what it does to the body.
I have on occasion gone into the chamber myself, having had like very little sleep, and connected with the alpha, and in half an hour, 40 minutes, it's like I had a whole night of sleep, and the energy is sustained.
And answering honestly, is there anybody that you've put into the chamber or allowed to go into the chamber, assuming they're doing it always willingly, and then absolutely did not like what happened, was not able to achieve the state, additional alpha waves, or anything else, and just wanted to get the hell out of there?
There seems no end to what this process can do, but the question I think I have about it will be exemplified by the following.
You said, Doctor, that you could take, for example, somebody who was about to get a divorce, put them through this, and at the end of it, they realize the original love they had for that person, and all is well again in the marriage.
In other words, for example, somebody who was in a happy relationship, or so they thought, would have some realization while in this altered state that it's not for them at all.
Well, we can speculate, in fact, but the results of the training are that it opens your heart, it enhances love, and I can think of only one instance, and it's almost a humorous instance, in which people in the training, a husband and wife, decided to get divorced.
And they loved each other very much, but they didn't like each other.
But they loved each other so much that they were staying together and not revealing to the other person the fact that they really didn't like being together.
And so in the truth-telling that went on in the training, when they both realized that neither one of them wanted to live with each other any longer and that that's what the other one wanted, their love was so great that they hugged, they kissed, and they walked out hand in hand after the training to go get a divorce.
Is there anything about what you do, Doctor, that might eventually offer us real proof about whether what we're experiencing when we're having a mystical experience is a product of our mysterious, wonderful brains or whether there is actually an exterior force either being sensed, communicated with, or existent.
Well, you see, these were very interesting green braves.
They were being trained for the Trojan Warrior Project, which was they were to go behind enemy lines in case of hostilities and develop rapport with the local population.
So we were training them in skills which increased their rapport, their likability, their ability to blend in.
Yes, I was just calling to find out if in these studies if people can regress back and possibly prevent health problems and actually be able to and then instill health in themselves so that they may live longer.
And we hear tales that in the future man is going to live longer in the first place.
Medical science, we already are living longer now, but it is a valid question.
we know our brains have an awful lot to do uh...
doctor with well on things like my loss of weight when i wanted to or gee i guess we him do a lot of things really so what about major Could they put a part of their brain to work that would actually have an effect on that disease?
And if so, do you have any documentation of that happening?
In the, I think it was the February 9th issue of Science Magazine in 1991, there was an article which documented the discovery of the first human immortality gene.
It is located on chromosome number one.
And so there are genetic basis to anticipate being able to activate things like this.
They've learned how to turn off the Hayflick limit switch, and so they can divide endlessly.
So if you couple that with brainwave training so that you remove psychological causes of disease, you have an enhanced wellness from both the biological and the psychological perspective.
If you look at the type A personality, there are subcategories of the type A that are most at risk of heart disease.
Those are the ones that have cynicism and a sense of time urgency.
And with this training, you can take people who are cynical, which is a kind of a hostility that's in some kind of a way turned inward, and you can have them forgive whatever it was that put them in that state, and they can do forgiveness, and then the cynicism goes away and is replaced by joy.
I wanted to ask basically bring up there was a book written in 1970 by one of the translators of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
His name was John M. Allegro.
He wrote two books.
One was The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth.
And the other one was The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
And he goes on to show that the ancient Hebrews and the ancient Christians all participated in using the Amanita Muscaria mushroom in order to get altered states in order to have the visions that they had.
And he also shows that it's very much in the Bible in several different places.
And he does this through a philological argument.
Basically, he gives this etymological argument that shows that the Sumerians were actually the culture from which the Indo-European languages and also the Semitic languages came out of.
But anyways, people were using the Amanita muscaria mushroom in order to achieve these states.
And I just think it's hard to believe that the current culture is not a problem.
I've been down this road pretty hard with the doctor.
Do you have a different avenue you're going down?
I mean, sure.
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Well, to me, it just seems that it's just like one of the earlier callers said that we know the real way at which to get at these altered states, but they've been made illegal in our culture.
And I think that it's something that down the line has been one of the reasons why Christianity was probably originally made illegal was because these were essentially people that we know now from the Dead Sea Scrolls were probably the ancient Essenes and were communists living in different parts of the Roman Empire helping probably people get away from their slave masters and so forth.
You can have your altered states and be more productive.
More creative, higher IQ.
You know, if you took a company and you trained everybody in the company, it'd be an interesting experiment.
I would welcome somebody who has a small company where we could do this study.
Train everybody in the company with this process, and they have a 50% boost on average in creativity, a 12-point boost in IQ.
They're going to be very effective in competition, particularly since their motivation, their ability to communicate with their customers, their suppliers, even their competition, is going to be enhanced.
If a company, if somebody, you know, who owned a company out there believed what you were saying right now and came to you, do you have the evidence to place in front of him to prove to him that you can achieve that with his workers?
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I very much tend to believe and support your guest's findings in regards to how brainwaves can be fine-tuned to improve an individual's life.
And I was wondering if James has ever heard of a handheld relaxation device that people can use at home.
It releases microcurrents into the cranium and it eliminates depression and anxiety and negative thought patterns and I guess fear and anger because it increases clarity of thought and it also improves relationships.
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Dr. Hart, I realize that the majority of the people you work with, obviously, I guess, are pretty much volunteers and people who want this experience, people who have perhaps even a certain expectation about what will happen.
If somebody sufficiently cynical or not wanting to do this were subjected to it, what would happen?
During the break, I grabbed Webster's New World Dictionary to look up cynical, which means inclined to question the sincerity and the goodness of people's motives and actions, or even the value of living.
The secondary definition is morose, sarcastic, and sneering.
I have to say, of all the people that I've worked with, I have never worked with people that I liked as much as the Green Berets because they had an ethos of training.
Every day they would get up, determined to be better in some way at the end of the day that was mission-related.
And I know that some of them were involved in teaching Aikido to other groups of soldiers.
And we heard reports back that they were teaching other troops, and they were saying, well, now, to really get this moved, you have to go into an alpha state.
First of all, I just wanted to say that the system of technology and training sounds wonderful, but I'm one of those people who can't afford $15,000.
And so when you talked about your technology and training being able to democratize the opportunity to have the experiences of the yogis and Zen masters and so forth, I was just wondering, are you doing anything to make this system available to those who can't afford the $15,000?
And you do need to interact with the mood scale program, but that can again be done by voice synthesis, or somebody can read the words to them, and then they can key in their answer.
It's not brainwave biofeedback, but yes, it's the form of feedback.
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And basically, at the end of the training, which it was two days of training, four hours a day, so it was an eight-hour training, all overtime, which was good for me.
But basically, at the end, they had like a little program where you close your eyes, you listen to the little music that they had.
Something that they have on the net is like called Heart Something, Heart Don't by Doc Childer.
And basically, you close your eyes and you visualize all the good things.
And at the end, you get a picture on the screen when you open your eyes, and it's like a forest with little deer and all kinds of happy things.
And the people that didn't do too good didn't get all the happy details, and the people that did got rainbows and bunnies.
So I was wondering, is that a good thing?
Because I suffer a lot from anxiety and depression.
First of all, in all learning, your retention is a function of how much over-learning you do.
And so two days is typically not going to be enough of just about anything.
That's one of the reasons we do seven.
If we could cram it into two days, we wouldn't plan seven.
But in the federal grant, we actually have funding to do a six-month follow-up and a 12-month follow-up.
And people with no clue, I mean, I heard some of the ladies when they were leaving begging their technicians to tell them something they could do to keep this wonderful thing going.
We were not allowed to even say meditate.
We couldn't tell them anything.
They just had to be thrown out on their own for a year.
And with no clues to do anything, their personality profiles continued to improve in areas that were related to areas on the head where they had increased their alpha.
Best period of his life after his training in terms of his business.
But he did something else that was very interesting.
He was a Stanford MBA, and he was an electrical engineer.
Very hot property in Silicon Valley.
And so every two years he would come back for a four-day tune-up.
And he would have headhunters after him.
Headhunters are recruiters where they're recruiting him for other businesses.
And he would take the first two days to kind of get back into the alpha.
And then on the third day, he would one at a time review each one of the business offerings.
He would live it out in his mind, see what his alpha scores were.
And imagine then, you know, like, okay, Western Regional Marketing Manager for Hitachi, and what kind of people would he talk to, what kind of projects, what kind of travel, and then he would see what his scores were.
And then on the fourth day, he would repeat that to confirm.
And what he would do, even before he left, he would pick up the phone and he would call the recruiter whose offering consistently gave him the highest alpha, knowing that if he was living his bliss, kind of like Joseph Campbell, that he'd have more fun, he'd make more money, and his career just went up like a rocket.
He started to tell a story about the guy that did TM for 20 years.
What was that story?
Okay, thank you.
This guy had done all the programs in TM, and then he hadn't gotten what he wanted, and he dropped out, and he was cruising around the world going to shaman and swamis and looking for the high.
Well, when he came out of the chamber on one of the days, he had this radiance about him, and he said, you know, what happened to me today was more powerful than what happened in 20 years of TM.
And then there was like a shudder that ran through his whole body, and he smiled more broadly, and he said, no, if you would add up everything that's happened in 20 years of TM, it wouldn't equal what happened to me today.
But an altered state in which the unconscious is in control.
And that's why both Gautama Buddha and Sigmund Freud excluded it from their systems because they wanted the conscious mind to be in control, which is what you get in neurofeedback.
Well, for one thing, they're in conscious control.
The conscious mind, you know, there are many levels of mind, and the Buddhists, for example, have like 150 levels of attainment that they know about, they describe, they can talk about.