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	♪♪♪ From the high desert and the great American southwest.
	I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's political time zones.
	Every single one of them covered by this program, Coast to Coast AM.
	This, the weekend edition, I'm Art Bell.
	Honored, privileged to be with you, your host throughout the remainder of the weekend, which I suppose in some time zones is already history.
	Number one, the lounging, lazy, photogenic cat in my webcam picture is Yeti.
	Oh my God, what a cat.
	This cat, this cat knows he's good looking.
	He poses for the camera, but even more comical, he poses for himself.
	He gets in front of the mirror and tries out different ways to look cute and watches them in the mirror.
	Now, what does that say about an animal?
	I mean, I've really seen this.
	You can choose to say, oh, you know, you're cooking this up in your mind, or it's something you believe from what you've seen, but you're drawing your own conclusion.
	No.
	I guarantee you that this cat is admiring himself in the mirror.
	I guarantee it.
	Now, what does that mean about an animal?
	If they have the realization of self, and even further, that self is cute, and cute is admired, and therefore cute must be practiced.
	What does that say?
	What does that say about the difference between animals and humans?
	Huh, quite a bit, actually.
	Anyway, that's Yeti doing his thing.
	Wet here in the desert, raining like Cats and dogs.
	Just cats and dogs.
	Probably nearly an inch of rain here in the last number of hours since afternoon.
	And boy, I'll tell you, we have about five inches of annual rainfall here near Death Valley.
	And we've already achieved that long since.
	So we're into floodville here if it keeps up.
	And by the way, the forecast says it will.
	Now, it may already have begun in Fallujah.
	Fallujah is going to be a horrible, horrible battle for the United States.
	It is going to be urban, door-to-door fighting.
	We're going to take heavy losses.
	U.S.
	forces stormed into western districts of Fallujah early Monday, seizing the main city hospitals, securing two key bridges over the Euphrates River and what appeared to be the First stage of the long-expected assault on the insurgent stronghold, an AC-130 gunship raked the city with 40mm cannon fire.
	That's a sight to behold.
	Explosions from US artillery lit up the night sky.
	Intermittent artillery fire blasted southern neighborhoods of Fallujah.
	Orange fireballs from high-explosive airbursts could be seen above the rooftops.
	It's going to be quite a battle.
	And you should prepare yourself for the possibility of some heavy losses.
	You know, in door-to-door fighting, it's not like the open desert.
	It's more like what the police do in a city.
	Very much more like that, actually.
	So it looks as though it may have begun.
	We'll keep an eye on it, and you should, too.
	Yasser Arafat's wife lashed out at his top lieutenant's money.
	A screaming at them, accusing them, that's his lieutenants of traveling to parts of Paris, or traveling to Paris with plans to bury her husband alive.
	That's a quote.
	Bury her husband alive.
	In a screaming telephone call from Arafat's hospital bedside, Suha Arafat told Pan-Arab Al Jazeera television that she was issuing, quote, an appeal to the Palestinian people and quote, she accused his top aides who were traveling to
	Paris later Monday of conspiring to absorb her husband's four-decade-long role
	as Palestinian leader.
	The reports of his medical condition are very conflicted.
	As President Bush mauls what to do after winning the election,
	voters say his first priority ought to be resolving the situation in Iraq,
	where the fighting is growing ever more intense.
	They also want Bush to cut the deficit which bloomed under his watch,
	rather than pushing for more tax cuts, according to an Associated Press poll.
	That is not, however, what the President has said he will do.
	He has pledged to aggressively pursue major changes in Social Security, for example, tax laws, and medical malpractice awards.
	Terrorism was the chief concern for both Bush and many voters in the poll.
	Japan has been hit by a rather strong earthquake.
	5.8 rocked northern Japan, where the deadliest earthquake struck the country.
	The one that hit last month.
	Worst in years, really.
	No injuries immediately reported in this one.
	France rolled out overwhelming military force Sunday to put down an explosion of anti-French violence in its former West African colony.
	Deploying troops, armored vehicles, helicopter gunships, against machete-waving mobs, that doesn't sound like a fair fight, though war is never supposed to be, that hunted house to house for foreigners.
	So, the French may be in the process of taking over the entire Ivory Coast.
	So that's kind of the state of the world this morning.
	In a moment, I've got... Well, the sun is going absolutely berserk.
	I'll tell you about that first.
	And then I've got a message for you.
	Oh, quite a message for you that was broadcast on the BBC in Britain back in the 70s.
	But you know, you might not have heard it.
	If you could hear it, you'd be surprised.
	The operating conditions and listening conditions on the shortwave bands,
	and in fact even the AM broadcast band at times, have been an unmitigated mess.
	And that's because of our sun.
	It's been doing some really strange things lately.
	For example, just days ago, literally, there were no sunspots whatsoever.
	How odd is that?
	Zero sunspots.
	Nothing.
	Not even so much as one little Peppered speck upon the sun.
	Zip.
	Conditions were really strange.
	And then, a few days ago, all hell broke loose on the sun, and now, tonight, I have at least already 100 emails I'll share, just a couple with you in a moment, of people across all the northern part of the U.S., and even the central part of the U.S., down into Iowa, places like that, observing Blazing Northern Lights, Sunspot 696 unleashed earlier today, Sunday, a whopping X-class solar flare and probably hurled yet another coronal mass ejection toward Earth.
	Solar wind conditions are favorable for a geomagnetic storm now, it's in progress tonight, and may get even stronger.
	When the next CME arrives, you see, when the sun erupts, we get very quick particles from an X-class flare, as an example, or a CME, within minutes, just within minutes, and then, oh, 24 to 36 to perhaps as much as 48 hours might elapse, and then we get hit with the second wave of heavier particles, and all of this affects reception, including perhaps the AM bands.
	I love the subject line in this.
	A frantic mass ejection hit South Jersey.
	Hey Art, tonight I think I was witness to a coronal mass ejection.
	Well, no you weren't.
	You were witness though to a beautiful aurora.
	It began about 6.30 Eastern, lasted until about 8.30 Eastern.
	What was so awesome was the event and the way it hit.
	Picture a faint white light in the shape of a bow.
	It swept in from the east and was heading to the west.
	It was big, big mammoth bow that engulfed the whole area.
	As it was heading through, I could still see the stars in and behind the light.
	It took about five seconds to move through.
	Then suddenly there'd be a faint white ball of energy.
	Then it would disappear, only to be replaced by another right around where the other one was.
	This continued for the longest time.
	Until it left the area and left me wondering how powerful the wave really was and how much energy the sun ultimately has.
	This was the greatest show I've seen on Earth.
	Or this.
	Hello, Art.
	Tonight, as I've never seen before, the northern lights were so bright they were reflecting off the ground.
	Wow.
	Mostly blue to aqua blue and some spots that resembled crimson puffs of clouds.
	Others in a different city 20 miles south of me saw what looked like circular patterns resembling starbursts with different colors.
	What's going on with our ionosphere?
	And that's from Hopkins, Minnesota.
	Well, I can't tell you what's going on with our ionosphere.
	I don't know.
	But I I have a guess.
	Now obviously the Sun is doing backflips and weird things and perhaps it's reached a solar minimum.
	Maybe we're about to observe a polarity flip.
	Don't know.
	Lots going on up there.
	But now for a moment let's talk about something that occurred years ago.
	This may be very important or perhaps not at all.
	Maybe it's a joke.
	But no, wait, it's not a joke.
	You see, it really did happen.
	It was a transmission that interrupted the BBC.
	It occurred on 26 November 1977 at 5.12pm.
	That's a good time when a lot of people would have heard it, obviously.
	Suddenly, a strange, unknown voice overrode, took over, or if you will, supermodulated the TV signals from five Transmitters that were monitored at the time by the Independent Broadcasting Authority in England.
	IBA did not detect the intrusion.
	The five and a half minute message overrode a scheduled newscast read by Ivor Mills on Southern ITV England, and get this folks, was heard by listeners in Andover, London, Newbury, Oxford, Reading, Southampton, Winchester, IBA engineers at a Croyton Surrey did not hear the override, and at the main transmitter in Southampton, hands monitoring did not hear the override.
	So, there was no evidence of a takeover, but it happened.
	A police spokesman told the Associated Press and UPI the message was taken seriously.
	They were frightened and generally scared.
	The voice spoke slowly and deliberately, with a strange inward authority.
	Calm, serene, never scolding.
	And I'm going to read to you what it said, because I don't think you probably ever heard this from the American media, but something that was able to take over that much of the BBC, you would have to take seriously.
	Perhaps not.
	As you listen, you can say, well, it is folly, but that's the equivalent of one of our networks being taken over.
	And the voice said, quote, This is the voice of Gramaha, the representative of the astral galactic command, speaking to you.
	For many years, many years now, you have seen us as lights in your skies.
	We speak to you now in peace and wisdom.
	As we have done to your brothers and sisters all over this, your planet Earth.
	We come to warn you of the destiny of your race and your world so that you may communicate to your fellow beings the course you must take to avoid the disasters which threaten your worlds and the beings on our worlds around you.
	This is an order that you may share in the Great Awakening as a planet passes into the New Age of Aquarius.
	The New Age can be a time of great peace and evolution for your race, but only if your rulers are made aware of the evil forces that overshadow their judgments.
	Be still now and listen, for your chance may not come again.
	For many years your scientists, governments, and generals have not heeded our warnings.
	They have continued to experiment with the evil forces of what you call nuclear energy.
	Atomic bombs can destroy the earth and the beings of your sister worlds in a moment.
	The wastes from atomic power systems will poison your planet for many thousands of your years to come.
	We, who have followed the path of evolution for far longer than you, have long since realized this, that atomic energy is always directed against life.
	It has no peaceful application.
	Its use and research into its use must be ceased at once, or you all risk destruction.
	All weapons of evil must be removed.
	The time of conflict is now past.
	The race of which you are a part may proceed to the highest planes of evolution, only if you show yourselves worthy to do this.
	You have but a short time to learn to live together in peace and goodwill.
	Small groups all over the planet are learning this, and exist to pass on the light of the dawning new age to you all.
	You are free to accept or reject their teachings, But only those who learn to live in peace will pass to the higher realms of spiritual evolution.
	Hear now the voice of Gramaha, the representative of the Astrogalactic Command, speaking to you.
	Be aware also that there may be many false prophets and guides operating in your world.
	They will suck the energy from you, the energy which you call money.
	And we'll put it to evil ends, giving you worthless dross in return.
	Your inner divine self will protect you from this.
	You must learn to be sensitive to the voice within you that can tell you what is truth and what is confusion, chaos, and untruth.
	Learn to listen to the voice of truth, which is within you, and you will lead yourselves to the path of evolution.
	This is our message to our dear friends.
	We have watched you growing for many years as you too have watched our lights in your skies.
	You know now that we are here and that we are more beings on and around your Earth than your scientists admit.
	We are deeply concerned about you and your path toward the light and will do all we can to help you.
	Have no fear.
	Seek only to know yourselves and live in harmony with the ways of your planet Earth.
	We of the Astrogalactic Command thank you for your attention.
	We are now leaving the planes of your existence.
	May you be blessed by the supreme love and truth of the cosmos.
	So there you have it.
	You know, normally I guess in a lot of ways you could just utterly reject such a message.
	However, The fact that it was able to interrupt multiple transmission facilities of the BBC and transmit to millions of people in Britain, that can't be ignored.
	The fact that they were unable to detect how it occurred cannot be, none of this can be ignored.
	So perhaps that gives some weight to the message or perhaps it gives none in your mind, I don't know.
	But one thing's for sure.
	It was not exactly aired here in the U.S., was it?
	It was a major occurrence.
	It was mentioned by a guest, oh, I don't know, a week or so ago, and I vowed to find out more about it.
	And there you've got it.
	That's the message.
	A dire warning to the people of Earth.
	And a sort of an invitation, I guess.
	Anyway, it's up to you.
	It's either truth or trash.
	It might be trash, but on the other hand, it might well be truth.
	First time caller line, you are on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	My name is Jan, and I'm from Whittier, California.
	Hello, Jan.
	What's up?
	Am I present to Art Bell?
	This is Art Bell.
	I have a ghost story for you.
	Well, listen, hon.
	We kind of reserve those away for special ghost nights.
	Uh, like, uh... We're out here in the rain in the middle of the night in the middle of the desert.
	I beg your pardon?
	We are out here in the rain in the middle of the night in the middle of the desert.
	Yeah, well, that's me out here in the middle of the night in the middle of the rain in the middle of the desert.
	And there is a very great deal of rain right now in the desert.
	As a matter of fact, there may be flooding in parts of the desert, so always be wary.
	The desert does not hold water well, and when we get a great deal of it, it floods.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Hi.
	Say, I've been doing some thinking about these bunkers that have been getting dug and so forth.
	Bunkers?
	Yeah, you know, all the low-frequency hum everybody's been talking about in places like Indiana and such.
	Oh, yes.
	Okay, and there's a lot of claim that they're digging massive underground bunkers.
	Well, I've heard that.
	Yes, they could have digging machines humming away, grinding at the earth, digging tunnels.
	Absolutely, yeah.
	Now, what were to happen if this New World Order went forward and Did what everybody thinks they're going to do and knock out nine-tenths of the population.
	Okay.
	What good will all these trucks be to everybody?
	The trailer trucks, you know, and such?
	None at all.
	Well, so what... I mean, what is this new world order leadership going to do?
	Are they going to crawl into these newly dug tunnels under the ground?
	Well, the population up here flops about like so many fish out of water, dying, and they're living in luxury in their holes in the ground.
	I don't know.
	Doesn't sound like exactly an inviting lifestyle to me, but you never know what could be going on in the world and what those guys might be planning.
	from the high desert in the darkness. I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	I'm going to be talking about the desert. I'm going to be talking about the desert.
	I'm Art Bell.
	But you know we'll always keep moving No, he's never gonna stop moving
	His heat rolling, he's the Rolling Stone When you wake up it's a new morning
	The sun is shining, it's a new morning You're going, you're going home
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	Indeed so.
	That was some message, wasn't it, that took over the BBC?
	You see a lot of people there believe what they heard.
	Now, you say and I say too, why not the entire world's broadcasting?
	Every single radio and television station in the world.
	That would be very convincing indeed.
	But even, you know, the whole BBC for a period of time, that's pretty convincing.
	So, I wonder if that was a real message.
	and then over here you know we missed it we'd like to
	with regard to others one more thought with regard to the message
	Maybe, maybe we didn't miss it.
	Maybe we didn't.
	That just occurred to me.
	When, about when was it that we stopped building new Nuclear Power Plants.
	Anybody have that data?
	When did we stop building nuclear power plants?
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Yeah, hi, Art.
	Yes.
	Hi, how you doing?
	I'm doing fine, sir.
	Where are you?
	Brooklyn, New York.
	Brooklyn, okay.
	Yeah, Stan.
	Yes, Stan.
	Yeah, second time I ever spoke to you.
	I love your show.
	Great.
	Thank you.
	Sounds like you're in water.
	Oh, yeah, let me turn this off.
	I'm washing dishes, believe it or not.
	Anyway, listen, about this message, I think it's a fake, and I'll tell you why.
	Why?
	You would think that an E.T.
	that's been circling around the Earth for X thousands of years would have a little more knowledge about our problem, and this message is just spouting philosophy, and it's not really getting to the heart of the matter.
	And the heart of the matter is that we have a brain problem.
	We have a malfunctioning brain in this planet, Just one?
	Just being philosophical isn't going to cure the problem.
	Just one malfunctioning brain?
	No, a lot of them.
	Well, it may be that whoever wrote this thought we were malfunctioning by pursuing nuclear power.
	And actually, you know, when you think about it there in Brooklyn, We did stop building new nuclear power plants.
	Yeah, I don't disagree with that.
	I don't disagree with the philosophy, but what I'm saying is the fact that this person is philosophizing to us indicates to me that it's not real, because an E.T.
	would have a little more knowledge than that.
	Really?
	Well, a lot of it didn't sound like just philosophy to me.
	It sounded rather specific, didn't it?
	Very specific about the various forms of nuclear energy.
	I mean, you can toss it away and say baloney.
	And yes, I suppose it is a philosophy of the anti-nuclear people.
	So, if you wish, you can put it down to that.
	Oh, by the way, you know who sent this word?
	Dr. Boylan.
	Dr. Boylan sent this to me.
	So, not only does it exist, not only... it's absolutely real for what it's worth.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	This is Carl from... I'm in Southwest Louisiana.
	My wife Carolyn and I send you greetings.
	Welcome.
	Earlier you were talking about Yeti, and we both couldn't help but be amazed at the similarities that you were describing in your cat to ours.
	Our cat is named Cornbread, and we believe perhaps maybe they're kindred spirits.
	Well, maybe it's a common trait to a lot of cats.
	What I guess I was trying to say with what I said was that it's an amazing thing to watch an animal watch itself in the mirror and sort of practice poses.
	Now, that means more than it sounds.
	It sounds silly and funny.
	But it means an awful lot if it really is true.
	I mean, it means the cat understands its own existence, and beyond that, has vanity, which I thought was very uniquely human.
	Vanity, certainly, right?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Cornbread fits that description precisely.
	Well then, cornbread must be more than, you know, a lot of Chinese chefs think cornbread is.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	When he speaks to us, in cat-ese as it were, we absolutely understand what he's trying to communicate to us, whether it be to change his water, or when he needs some affection.
	Okay, that's something that the scientists have just now figured out.
	There was a story recently, I believe a new scientist, in which a scientist found out that cats, you know, the modern A domestic house cat in America, around the world, has learned to make noises that its owner will understand.
	These are not sounds that cats make for other cats.
	We have four of them.
	Right.
	And they make very distinct sounds to each other that have no relationship whatsoever to the sounds made for human consumption.
	Little sounds designed to let you know hunger, or wanting out for some sunshine, or whatever.
	Indeed.
	Or, I would say, including showing affection.
	That's right.
	Or wanting it.
	Exactly.
	You nailed it, sir.
	And for the rest of you, there's something a little bit deeper here, really.
	Once you contemplate that an animal, a cat or a dog, wouldn't matter, is capable of realizing its own existence, And an emotion as complex perhaps as vanity, then you have to begin to ascribe a lot of things to an animal that, well, supposedly were reserved for just us lucky humans.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey, thanks for having me on, Art.
	You bet.
	Where are you calling from?
	I'm calling from California.
	Okay.
	And, yeah, I wanted to talk about, you know, Fallujah.
	You know, today it's in the news that They're finally going in there, even though after, you know, weeks of steady bombing.
	Well, you know, I don't think the real main force has begun moving yet, but it's going to be hell when it happens.
	Well, to me, I just wonder, you know, it seems to me that, you know, from reading the news from Iraq, that the whole country is just, you know, a pot that's just boiled over.
	And it really seems to me that this is a Pentagon PR stunt, because it seems that what we're doing is trying to say that we win this battle in Fallujah, and now somehow The war is going to be won, but this is a PR stunt where we send in people and our guys die.
	You've had a lot of people on before about Gulf War Syndrome.
	How many more people are going to be coming down with diseases from being exposed to depleted uranium?
	Many.
	Many, but I disagree with you on your first point.
	I don't think it's a PR stunt at all.
	I think that Fallujah's Unnecessary.
	I mean, look, wars are one battle at a time, and a fluge is going to be a big, important, and bloody battle.
	But look, the Russians, you know, they turned Grozny into rubble by bombing it.
	Yes.
	And they're still dealing with the Chechens.
	The Israelis have been dealing with Palestinians for, what, nearly 60 years now.
	That's true.
	You know, this problem, I mean, I'm just wondering, do we really want to go down the road of, say, a Patriot Act II, where we're giving away Our rights in order to, you know, fight this resource war out, you know, in the middle of the Persian Gulf.
	Look, I'm not comfortable with the roads we're going down right now.
	Period.
	I wasn't comfortable with them before we began down them, before the war started.
	I thought it was a poor idea.
	However, now we're there.
	But, you know, you were talking also about, you know, nuclear power, you know, and You know, to me it seems that, you know, we're, as human beings, it almost seems that we're not responsible enough to use, you know, nuclear power.
	I think that it's because of, you know, the other applications.
	I mean, for one, I think if we could just use it in order to make steam and turn turbines, that'd be great, but...
	You know, if you have... Well, I'm not sure it's great, sir, if the result of that is a poison that we have to guard safely and be custodians of inside some mountain here in Nevada for the next 100,000 years.
	But we need power.
	I mean, give me a break.
	It isn't like, you know, if we're burning hydrocarbons or whatever, that there isn't going to be some kind of You know, negative effect of that.
	But I think that it's better to have electricity than to not.
	Well, some sort of negative effect doesn't do justice to what we face with nuclear waste, sir.
	It just doesn't do it justice.
	We have to be custodians of this for 100,000 years or better.
	And what have we ever done for 100,000 years?
	Or even a small portion thereof?
	Answer is nothing.
	Nothing.
	Look, I am not really anti-nuclear myself, necessarily.
	I think that the French, for example, may have come up with ways to reprocess nuclear fuel rods, and we should be looking at that carefully.
	The prospect of storing immense amounts of nuclear high-level waste here in Nevada for a hundred thousand years or whatever, that's not very appealing to me because I don't think we can do it.
	And so I take this message, the one I read you, In a lot of ways, very seriously.
	No matter who really authored it, or how it got to us.
	I do take it seriously.
	And I also note that we stopped building new nuclear power plants.
	Some people might say, well it was because of the protesters.
	I don't think so.
	It's because of the science.
	It's because of The science of the whole thing, and the fact that we haven't quite got it figured out yet.
	The French may have a usable idea.
	We don't know if they could handle the kind of amounts of waste we have or not.
	I certainly think it's worth looking into, but in the meantime, we have a problem for which we have no solution.
	On the international line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hey, our long-time listener, first-time caller.
	Yes, sir, where are you?
	Michigan.
	Michigan.
	All right, sir, what's up?
	Yeah, I'm calling about the Northern Lights.
	First time I've seen them like this in forever.
	I mean, they're just dancing all over and... When did it begin?
	Oh, I saw them earlier about... about six o'clock.
	Six o'clock, right as it got dark.
	Right as it got dark, huh?
	Yeah, and I mean, about a couple hours ago, I mean, I... What kind of colors?
	Oh, I'm seeing all kinds of colors.
	Green, red, blue, white, I mean...
	I mean, earlier when I was watching, I mean, I seen... Were they moving?
	What was that?
	Were they moving?
	Oh yeah, they're dancing.
	It looks like the sky's on fire.
	Yes.
	Well, in a way it is.
	And I mean, it looked like a... One drop down earlier, it looked like a tornado.
	I mean... Yes.
	It was the prettiest thing I've ever seen.
	Yes, they're astounding, aren't they?
	I mean, they're... And I mean, right now I'm looking at it, and it looks like...
	Something blew up right in the center of the sky.
	So it's still going on right now?
	It's still going on right now.
	They're dancing like crazy.
	What is your local time there?
	Oh, my local time is 149 AM.
	149 in the morning.
	Yes.
	Alright, well listen, bless your heart for calling.
	Thank you.
	And in a way, the sky is on fire.
	In a way.
	The sun certainly can There's no way to say that it has not been just a complete sort of a tantrum.
	I mean, to go from absolute zero, which produced conditions that were incredible within the space of just a few days, to erupting at X magnitude flares and coronal mass ejections streaming toward Earth.
	All of this is pretty interesting stuff if you are a Sun watcher.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi!
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Um, let me... Turn off your radio.
	Right.
	That's right.
	Um, okay, Art.
	Yes.
	Now, the reason I'm calling is to tell you that, um, those EVP tapes... Yes.
	Um, those were played, um, on radio in Los Angeles over 20 years ago.
	Were they really?
	I kid you not.
	And the man who recorded them, William?
	Yes.
	He was in studio introducing them.
	Uh, Dr. Meeks?
	Are you referring to Dr. Meeks?
	Or, no, William, the gentleman who was talking to the one on the other side, if that's who you're talking about.
	Dr. Meeks... It has now passed, of course, about ten years ago.
	Well, he's a new player.
	No, sir, he's... Well, if you mean from the other side, yes, perhaps.
	No, what I'm saying is that there was a program on KABC radio.
	Yes.
	It was Saturday nights only.
	It ran for a long time.
	It was hosted by a man named Bill Jenkins, and it was called the Open Mind Program.
	Yes.
	Well, I'm glad to hear it was done previously.
	I don't think it's been done nationally, and I doubt... Did they play as much as I did an hour and 20 minutes?
	They played a lot, and it was crystal clear art.
	You sound like you've got like a third-generation copy.
	Well, it probably is.
	It came from the other side of the world.
	Was that Dr. Meeks who was hosting it?
	Dr. Meeks did the narration.
	Right, he sounded like he was in an irrigation pipe.
	Yeah, I know, I know.
	But in no way did any of that diminish the impact of what you heard.
	I played it because I wanted people to go to the web, those with some technical background, absorb the information from the schematics and begin experimentation with modern equipment that would make what they used look like the horse and buggy.
	You know, we've got sound processing techniques now that would just astonish you.
	So a little bit of technology applied to what was done then, done now, would potentially put us in direct connection with the other side.
	I really think it's an idea worth pursuing.
	Wild Card Line, you are on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	I'm Neil.
	I'm calling from Kirkland, Washington.
	Yes, Neil.
	I lived in Munich, West Germany at the time of the broadcast in the BBC, and it certainly was a very newsworthy item.
	Do you remember it?
	I remember it very clearly, and I can tell you the reasons why.
	And it was a big news item in the AFN and in the Stars and Stripes.
	I actually read about this in the Stars and Stripes.
	No kidding.
	Those were the days.
	It would be in the days when Close Encounters was a big movie.
	Oh, that was right.
	I remember it a little differently, and I just found this document on the internet before it came on the air.
	So, they have changed the names a little bit.
	You have Ramaha.
	The one I found on the net is named Asteron.
	Well, no, it was the Asta Galactic Command, but the name of the entity was Ramaha.
	Ramaha, yes.
	Oh, yeah.
	From what I read on the internet just this evening, it says this is the voice of Glon.
	G-L-O-N.
	But other than that, the document was almost verbatim.
	Okay.
	Anyway, I'm glad you remember it from being in Europe, but I don't think there was much publicity about any such message taking over the BBC here in the U.S.
	Probably not in the U.S.
	It certainly made a big splash in the German airwaves and, of course, in U.S.
	occupying.
	forces at the time and most notably there had been a huge flap of UFO activity I mean it was
	before a lot of the famous incidents in 1980
	but still there was a significant amount of UFO activity and
	to your caller who says that he thinks it's a hoax well because of the
	you just can't take over that many hundred thousand watt transmitters
	I know.
	I realize that, sir.
	And that's the reason I trotted it right out here as soon as I got the text.
	This man is exactly right.
	Listen, Sean Hogan has gone to a lot of trouble, so through the top of the hour, just a few moments away, I want you to hear Sean Hogan's work.
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	Coming up now, Bill McDonald.
	Bill McDonald's educational background is in the field of military aviation, courtesy of the United States Marine Corps and the California Army National Guard, combined with forensic anthropology.
	His work experience was as an undercover private investigator for over 12 years.
	Working with major metropolitan police departments, federal agencies, and of course, the military.
	At the same time, he was a precision fantasy technical, scientific, and commercial illustrator who fell into forensics.
	McDonald received his BA degree from Cal State Fullerton in criminal justice.
	He specializes in using correct investigative methods to conduct interviews with key, specific witnesses In both criminal and paranormal cases and the correct forensic procedures for rendering composite illustrations based on physical evidence and or cooperated testimonies, it can be used for legal inquest commercial media or paranormal and UFO related case research.
	In a moment, Bill McDonald.
	That ladies and gentlemen is harp.
	The real McCoy.
	That's HAARP.
	The skies above the northern part of the U.S., and certainly Canada and to Alaska, the whole northern latitudes of the world, are dancing with fire.
	You gotta wonder.
	You just gotta wonder, don't you?
	Ladies and gentlemen, Bill McDonald.
	Bill, welcome to the program.
	Thanks, it's a pleasure to be back, Art.
	Nice to have you.
	You spent Years and years doing work for police and military, and I guess learning how to turn what people say into pictures that people can understand, or something like that.
	Is that it, simply?
	That's correct.
	Most investigators complete what's called a report of investigation whenever they look into anything, whether it's civil or criminal.
	And their conclusions are at the bottom of the report.
	I simply took it one step further, because whenever you have a strong series of descriptions of an item, or a thing, or an individual person, or even an animal, like that Ellensdorfer beast down in Texas, an artist can sometimes convey the information in ways that just a standard report writer cannot.
	You talk to eyewitnesses to these various things, and then I suppose put together a composite based on what they say that you hear in common, or do you take specific parts from each one?
	I look for common patterns and trends in testimony or in information or in evidence.
	I look for those items that corroborate each other.
	Even though they come from witnesses that have no connection to each other whatsoever.
	Sure.
	All right.
	Well, let us go back to the Roswell incident.
	Seems like it's when it all began.
	Well, tonight's going to be kind of a fascinating and hopefully a very uplifting experience for everybody because it's been nearly a 12-year journey from the From compositing and putting together the basic witness descriptions of the Roswell ship, and then turning those same practice skills and talents to other UFO craft.
	About how many eyewitnesses would you say you were able to glean information from to put together what you did on Roswell?
	Well, when you subtract the ones that were either mentally ill or who were basically liars, I have 248 witnesses that I've spoken with over the years whom I feel very comfortable with on an instinctive level.
	That's a lot of people.
	Well, it's not just that.
	My material, everything I'm going to share with you guys tonight, has also been peer-reviewed in conversational and in private consultation ways with some pretty respectable minds, so I'm very confident in what I'm conveying.
	Then convey.
	Tell me what you know of Roswell, and though this is radio, and I know it's radio, not a place where we can put an easel and put up pictures, although we do have a few on the website, pretty much, you know, we've got a lot of people on the road, truck drivers and the rest of it, they're not going to get a chance to see anything, so you're going to have to put it to words.
	Well, for the last 13 visits that I've had with Coast since And also Dreamland since 1999.
	I have described the Roswell ship as being a metal crystalline vehicle that was grown in layers to resemble something between the cross between a doll's porpoise and a stingray.
	That had a delta or a wave rider type configuration similar to some of the spy planes that you've seen out of Skunk Works.
	With inward-canted vertical stabilizers at approximately 30 degrees that resembled the dorsal fins of either the poor beagle shark or the doll's porpoise.
	And this neat little flying surfboard, if you will, could slam its way through the atmosphere, riding its own shockwave.
	And it could morph, and it had something called morphable camber instead of flaps and rudders.
	And it could adjust its wing form in the way layers of muscles within the wing of a bird, such as an albatross, adjust the wing camber that allows them to glide for literally hours.
	The ship could dive into the ocean and fly out again.
	The main propulsion, its engine if you will, was actually the outer skin of the vehicle.
	It was in a denser atmosphere.
	Its mode of flight was magneto-aero-electro-dynamics, which is similar to magneto-hydro-dynamics, which is like the Caterpillar drive that you've heard of in top secret nuclear submarines.
	Boy, that's an awful lot of detail you're giving me.
	Now down to the exact type of drive it had.
	That's incredible.
	I guess I have to stop and ask, when you get down to this, I could understand observer detail with regard, for example, to the shape of the craft.
	That's easy to understand.
	But now you're getting down to some of the technical details of the kind of drive it had.
	Where does that information come from?
	Well, the information came from a variety of sources, from 1983 to 1990, Kelly Johnson, who was the former CEO and the creator of the Lockheed Martin Skunk Works, passed that information to his hand-picked successor, Dr. Ben R. Rich.
	Dr. Rich and Kelly Johnson also conveyed the information conversationally to Air Force scientist Dr. Robert I. Saubacher and to Tester Corporation Chief model kit designer, John Andrews, who had been one of only two men that was taken under Kelly Johnson's wing.
	But the assumption, of course, would have to be that to have that kind of intimate knowledge means that we do have the craft, that we have back-engineered the craft to the point where we understand this kind of detail about the energy systems used.
	Yes, absolutely, with the former and somewhat with the latter.
	The information I have is that no backwards engineering program has ever been 100% successful.
	There's still a lot that they don't understand.
	But what we have learned, and what I'm going to be conveying tonight, is that human technology, with or without aliens, is rushing, rushing in its evolution, along with the evolution of people themselves, toward what can best be described As a codependent and interdependent interface that will be an absolute requirement for the future survival of both the organic system users, which is us, and our advanced machine systems technology.
	And, you know, hopefully artificial intelligence and artificial life will be a goal here.
	But it will never be able to exist without the interface between the organic brain, which is a stabilizing factor, Maybe a soul, if you will.
	And the machine systems that are rushing to match our brains in complexity.
	The integration of man and machine.
	We'll get to that.
	Listen, did you by any chance hear my first hour?
	I was listening on the radio and I turned it off just before you called.
	I read a message that purportedly, well, was in fact on the BBC.
	It took over.
	The BBC, and apparently I guess it was big headlines in Europe, not here, but there was this message that I read.
	I guess you heard it, and I don't know, what do you think?
	Well, it has some commonality with what the Astar Commandos were trying to tell me back in the early 1990s when their message was so urgent.
	Aurora and Michael L. Legion and a bunch of these other folks that had these urgent, urgent messages.
	I believe, and I'm not being a wise guy when I say this, that there is some universal truth and some philosophical metaphor in these particular kinds of claims that have some actual bearing or actual truth in the reality of our existence and the direction of our evolution.
	At the same time, it fits into the kind of mythology that our culture has This is like the mythology that a lot of other cultures have had that preceded ours.
	And so, you know, UFOs and aliens are part of the mythology and the culture that future anthropologists will apply to our society the way we apply the Greek gods and goddesses to Greece, the Roman gods and goddess analogues to Rome, and the humanoid gods and goddesses to ancient Sumer and ancient Egypt.
	I've got a question for you.
	You described a very advanced craft that would put anything we've got in the air, even perhaps today, to shame.
	Absolutely.
	Well then, why the damn thing crash?
	Well, my best information was that it was weather.
	That it was nature.
	That Mother Nature can humble any advanced species, not just us.
	I mean, I live right here by Falcon Field and we just had an airplane crash because of wind shear yesterday at the air show.
	And it was tragic.
	We got a pilot who's dead and a passenger who's in the hospital.
	Your question is a legitimate one, or what you proffered as a possibility for the crash.
	Do we know anything about the weather conditions in that area of New Mexico?
	Absolutely.
	It was severe monsoonal thunderstorms during that evening.
	Really?
	Is that right?
	Severe monsoonal thunderstorms that night.
	All witnesses described Severe monsoonal thunderstorms.
	Uh-huh.
	Well, then you're right.
	There certainly would be severe downdrafts associated with that.
	But it was lightning, an upstroke of lightning from the ground into the clouds that struck the ship that caused the upper port side dorsal section of where the hull blends into the wing to shatter and disintegrate, causing the internal fluids of the vehicle to start to spray out sucking at least two of the seven flight crew members out at altitude.
	But because the thing had multiple mode drives, and had force fields, as it fell out of the sky, it put up these force fields.
	These force fields caused its weight to go to zero, but its mass to go to infinity.
	When it hit the ground, it hit with the force of a bulldozer, a Caterpillar bulldozer falling from 30,000 feet, causing a big gouge in the ground.
	And yet, four men were able to pull it out of the cliff the next day.
	Men who were MPs under the direction of atom bomb security agents known as the United States Army Counterintelligence Corps.
	I had never heard about the weather conditions previously, nor that kind of detail about why the craft That's really interesting.
	Well, that's my composite, but every Roswell researcher that you know personally will tell you that there were storms that night.
	Nobody disagrees with that.
	Not Stanton, not Kevin Randall, not any of them.
	Right.
	Kent Jeffries, all of them.
	Colonel Corso, he knew all about the storms that night.
	Everybody agrees that severe monsoonal thunderstorms were in the area that night over the entire Roswell region.
	All right.
	Please continue.
	I mean, you know, we all believe that this... I don't know how much of the rest of the story you wish to tell about the craft itself and where it ultimately went and what we have done with it.
	How much do you know about all of that?
	I know a lot because some of my witnesses, though extremely controversial, are corroborated totally in regards to the configuration of the spacecraft, And the anatomy of the flight crew by people whose testimonies are absolutely beyond reproach.
	And some of what I'm going to tell you angers people.
	I've received angry emails from a number of people and they're pretty high up people.
	Even people like Colonel John Alexander have questioned my veracity in the past in regards to this.
	But I'm absolutely confident about this because John Andrews was not a liar.
	And he was very close to Ben Rich and to Kelly Johnson in his early ages.
	And also because as an artist, I see patterns that other people don't necessarily see.
	For instance, Kelly Johnson saw a UFO in 1951 that was very similar to one of the nine UFOs that Kenneth Arnold saw 11 days before the Roswell crash.
	There were a flight of nine ships Going across, you know, between Mount Adams and Mount Rainier in Washington State.
	And out of the nine, eight looked like flying scallop shells, and one looked like one of Batman's batarangs from the early 1940s.
	That batarang-shaped UFO was very similar to one that Kelly Johnson saw in 1951.
	Bill, if you listened to that, and I'm sure you did listen to that warning, supposed warning that went over the BBC, And then you put together the fact that the nuclear age had just dawned.
	Exactly, that's why they were here, the nuclear age.
	It's like interstellar smoke signals going out into space.
	What other conclusion can there be?
	We don't have... An atomic explosion rips the fabric of space-time as well as in many spectrums, not just the visible light and in the heat spectrums.
	It's got to be detectable in a number of ways that could only be described as quantum and other ways that can only be described as, you know, within the fabric of space-time itself.
	So, it's like an insect tugging on a spider's web.
	You think we sent a big signal?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	But it's not the first time they were here.
	The evidence that I have is that, you know, there's been waves and expeditionary, you know, trips to Earth going back 450,000 years, but that the technology that I'm seeing is probably less than 10,000 years old.
	But that's still very significant, Art.
	I'll say.
	Because we have lost species of Homo erectus Such as this new Hobbit-sized species on Flores Island, Homo floresiensis.
	Yes.
	You know, mankind was evolving even recently.
	A lot of changes were taking place.
	Homo sapiens had been around for maybe 150,000 years and was taking over.
	And it seems like as long as Homo sapiens or Homo sapiens sapiens has been around, It seems like interstellar visitors have been around because we have something that they need.
	Because at the conclusion of tonight's show I'm going to explain why I believe that hybrids are essential and an obligation of these spacefaring species in order to maintain their vehicle's ability to function after these organic species themselves face their extinction.
	So they have to have hybrids?
	Absolutely!
	Because Nature selects species for extinction after a certain, you know, length of time that that species has had its run.
	And usually that selection occurs because of pressure in the environment.
	But when you have species that have achieved artificial ways of controlling the environment, after a while their genetic code, especially the Y chromosome, fills up with so much junk DNA So much junk information.
	We have junk DNA.
	Listen, Bill, hold on.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
	So we'll pause and be right back.
	From the high desert in the middle of the night, Bill McDonald's my guest.
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	You know, a couple of weeks ago I had a guest on who made a wild suggestion, one of those things that just sticks with you, and Bill McDonald reminded me of it.
	Remember the reference to junk DNA?
	Remember that?
	Well, I had a guest who thought that our so-called junk DNA isn't all that junky.
	That awaiting us, should we be able to decode it, is a message from our maker.
	After all, that's the one who designed our DNA, right?
	So, who else would it be from?
	I'm told at this hour streaking colorful lights are blazing across the skies of Chicago, one of our major
	cities.
	I told you the aurora was very, very active tonight, indeed so now over the Chicago area.
	Bill, welcome back again.
	You know, you said a lot of what you're going to say, a lot of what you have said, makes people angry.
	What is it you say that makes them angry?
	Well, let's start with this.
	My research very much supports another guess that you had on last May.
	A British geneticist who stated that because of the accumulation of defective molecules in human Y-chromosome, that in approximately 125,000 years human males would no longer be able to reproduce.
	That's correct.
	Well, my research lends credence to the idea that some of the UFO aliens that are coming in from outer space, like interstellar Bedouins, are coming here to harvest compatible DNA materials in order to hybridize with human beings, in order to create a hybrid species as heirs to the technologies
	That these other, older species will not be around for another few thousand years.
	I get it.
	Suddenly I get it.
	I mean, you're right.
	I certainly did have that guest.
	His work has been peer-reviewed, and it does look as though in 125,000 years, yes, a long time, but that would be the end of men, the end of males, the end of humanity, unless, unless what?
	Unless we cloned, or unless we mixed with a new species of some sort, that would be it.
	Cloning won't solve the problem.
	Replication will only partially solve the problem.
	Hybridization and artificial means of gene splicing in an artistic as well as purely academic matter is the only solution If mammals on this world and mammaloids on other worlds are to survive.
	The more simple the mammaloid types of species, the longer they'll last.
	But in the end, all mammals are doomed to extinction because of the determination of sex by the Y chromosome As opposed to temperature or environmental factors which you find in reptiles and amphibians and other classes and orders of animals.
	Alright, well maybe this backs all that up.
	In all the years that I've been interviewing people about ufology, I've interviewed a lot of abductees.
	I've interviewed some of the best scientists who study and hypnotize abductees.
	You know, the really big guys, the college professors, and almost all of the abduction is sexually or reproductively oriented.
	The cows that are mutilated, reproductive organs apparently are taken and apparently studied.
	I mean, everything about ufology, when you get down to the abductions, appears to be reproductively oriented.
	So that's a ding, ding, ding, ding.
	Now let me tell you why.
	The machine systems, these magnificent discs and trianguloids and arrow-wing shapes, whether they're the super-sized ones that you've seen over the Hudson Valley and Phoenix, you know, in the last 25 years, or whether they are just the small ones that can only handle a crew of one, two, or three.
	These magnificent machine systems, these Devices that have evolved and have reached the pinnacle of machine evolution will not be able to function without an organic system user interfaced into their flight control systems.
	Right.
	In other words, they will languish in the machine version of purgatory in a degraded mode where they cannot leave a planetary system or a planet's surface.
	Where they are unable to warp to, you know, another star system.
	Where they are unable to surf a wormhole, or jump to hyperspace, or drop to subspace, or create a gravity space fold.
	Slow down, Bill.
	Let me see if I've got it right.
	You're suggesting that as we will no longer be able to produce in 125,000 years, because our genetics is going to go to hell in a handbasket, So it is with other species.
	Other mammaloid species.
	And they are faced with the choice of either integrating totally with a machine or finding a biological way to exist and we would be part of that biological answer and that's why they're here.
	Well they're harvesting from us in order to create a replacement hybridized species that is still compatible With these custom machine systems that they've grown over the years, these vehicles, these craft, they're artificially intelligent, but they cannot realize the full use of that artificial intelligence without organic minds interfaced with the artificial operating system cortex
	Within each of these machine systems.
	So these machines need what we're calling a hybrid.
	A half-human, half-alien being to run these ships.
	Is that it?
	Yes.
	And someday in the far future, human machine systems will need humans to run them as well.
	Because let's take aliens out of the equation for a moment.
	It's my belief that if aliens are nothing but fanciful myth, that the truth is that humans are evolving and machine technologies are developing at rates of speed that will require them to depend on each other for mutual survival in the coming centuries and millennia.
	I think it happened to the aliens first because some of them were mammaloids from other worlds and some of them were mammals from this world.
	Got it.
	And it's going to happen to us as well.
	In the meantime, we're sort of going to be a harvesting field for those who are already in need.
	We are a harvestable, reproductive, Livestock commodity.
	See, that would make people angry.
	We are livestock, and you wouldn't believe the Bible verse emails that I get every time I say that.
	As though they send you Bible verses?
	Oh boy, I've probably got a hundred emails right now from different people with Bible quotes.
	They're coming through as I watch.
	Oh really?
	Yeah.
	And what is the thrust of these Bible missives?
	Basically, I'm in the wrong direction.
	I should be searching toward my relationship with Christ and my goal of obtaining the Kingdom of Heaven.
	And I guess I should not be fooling around with such wild concepts.
	In other words, they're not aliens.
	They're devils.
	They don't dispute their existence.
	They dispute their identification.
	Well, I'm saying that these people look at my research as satanic and me as misguided.
	Yes, well, Bill, why not ask about that?
	I mean, after all, these supposed satanic entities that these people are concerned about, that take this from the Bible, are said to lie, cheat, steal, make themselves appear as others, Uh, and do fantastic things, and appear to do miracles, and all the rest of it.
	So, Bill, at least it's something you should have given a little thought to.
	Well, I have, and I started by looking up the definition of the word Satan.
	Turns out, it's not a very old word.
	Came out in Elizabethan times, and was a bastardization of an Arabic word, shaitan, which translates as adversary.
	And the Holy Church decided to play some word games because they were a little upset with scientists in those days.
	Oh, they still are.
	Yeah.
	But how can you be sure, or are you sure, and in what way are you comfortable in your head that you're not dealing with something like that?
	Unlikely as it may be.
	Well, my wife is the ghost hunter in the family.
	Yes.
	And we have encountered dark entities and we have encountered, you know, beings that would be considered benevolent and nurturing.
	Okay, so how are you able to delineate between that and what others say come in ships?
	Well, I trust my wife when it comes to the motivations of an entity because She is a remote viewer who was actually tested by some former NIDS personnel in the past.
	She does what the military calls anomalous intuition, but what most Coast viewers know as being a medium, being a psychic, being a person who is sensitive to beings that are discorporate and non-corporeal.
	So what has she said that's convinced you that you're dealing with something else?
	Well, when it comes to aliens and stuff, that's pretty straightforward.
	The data and the veracity of the witnesses just makes it not something that I would question.
	When you have a bunch of military pilots and a bunch of US government spies and a bunch of aerospace engineers and a bunch of soldiers All describing the same basic patterns and trends.
	All of them saying it's clearly not of this world.
	All right, I'll give you that.
	But it's a physical technology and these are organic beings that are the occupants or the flight crew.
	Do you believe the observation of our world is going on in mass even today?
	Yes, and the reason I know that is because I have put together a timeline Of all the major UFO cases that I consider trustworthy, inside a greater framework of the history of human evolution.
	If you believe this, all this, that we're being observed heavily even now, why do you think that NIDS, which you mentioned a moment ago, is suspending operations?
	Because essentially, to quote them, or coming close, nothing much has happened in the last two and a half years.
	Okay, well, I will not be violating my non-disclosure agreements with Comclair or with, you know, any of the other personnel that I know that are associated with NIDS.
	Don't break anything.
	I can state that I have ongoing dialogue with former NIDS research physicist Dr. Eric W. Davis.
	I had a good quid pro quo Conversational relationship as well as exchange of documentation with Comclair.
	And a lot of my ideas that I am trying to convey tonight have been peer-reviewed by Hal Puthoff, the scientist of great repute.
	Those are all the right names.
	But again, the question was, why do you think NID said nothing much has been going on for two and a half years and we're going to suspend major operations?
	Well, a lot of that had to do with funding, a lot of that had to do with a change in direction.
	Mr. Bigelow's interests were being diverted in other directions, and it's really not my place to say a lot more than that, but I suspect that when you buy two Russian rocket boosters from the Russians, and when you start the process of purchasing I'm not sure about that, although it sounds like you ought to have to have.
	Well, I don't know about the Russians.
	permission to do so i'm not sure about that although it sounds like you ought
	to have to have uh... water know about the russians which is why i mean is
	anyway why i'm suspecting
	that in order to obtain those permissions uh... yet to kind of give a little something trade but this
	is purely speculation
	nobody has stated this to me in any way shape or form so
	believe and i i know that mister glow has begun below aerospace as you know
	And he's purchased two Russian boosters.
	And so do you think his attention has turned from being curious about whether they hear who they are and why, to going out there to where they are?
	I think his interest in who they are and why has never waned, but I believe that his priorities as a businessman have been diverted on his behalf.
	By people that he looks up to?
	Would that be a fair way and polite way of putting it?
	Sure.
	I guess you have to be very careful what you say here.
	I've never met the man.
	How could I talk about him?
	Well, I have.
	I've been in his office.
	I know him very well.
	He's a very, very nice man.
	I was just curious.
	You're free to correct me if you think that my impressions are wrong.
	Well, Insofar as you've told us about some things you say he's done, that would be consistent with an aerospace company.
	In other words, he wants to get to space.
	And he's willing to sideline anything that would create a road bump or higher air turbulence, shall we say.
	Do you think he had the questions he wanted answered answered before this stage of NIDS?
	And the move into aerospace?
	I mean, something major happened here somewhere.
	I suspect that his level of comfort is probably similar to Hal Puthoff's or mine or Eric Davis or Dr. Bob Woods.
	And I suspect that he's no further ahead than we are and no further behind than we are.
	How much do you know, Bill, about what happened at the ranch?
	Bob Bigelow bought a ranch.
	It's now pretty public and well-known.
	I have to be careful because of the non-disclosure agreements, but I was given a timeline of events and amazingly some of those events occurred the same night as some very interesting UFO cases elsewhere or crop circle formations elsewhere.
	For instance, and I can state about this because George Knapp published this in an article, There was an incident involving a baby calf.
	It was newborn, probably not more than 20 minutes old.
	It was levitated in broad daylight, eviscerated, and nothing but the skin and the bones and the heavier parts of the carcass were dropped, completely insanguinated by an invisible force with people in the area.
	And that occurred the same day as a major portion of the Phoenix Lights events.
	And then the night that the giant boomerang ship cruised over Phoenix, because remember, Phoenix Lights events was a four night event.
	Oh, yes.
	The night that the giant boomerang ship made its 8 p.m.
	appearance over Phoenix and Tucson.
	Yes, sir.
	People took shots at a large reptilian something in the cottonwoods that was probably as tall as a baby giraffe.
	Where?
	On the Big Low Ranch.
	On the Sherman Ranch.
	They took shots at it?
	Yeah, in the cottonwoods below Skinwalker Ridge.
	Uh, this is all new to me, and all of this occurred... Simultaneously with some of the events in Phoenix.
	Oh, isn't that interesting.
	Which is the purpose of why I have these timelines, Art.
	I am an absolute... I am the most anal history buff you've ever met, and I maintain a global colonology of All these events that have occurred.
	For instance, I made a discovery today.
	There's a man that's lecturing on the death of former Secretary of the Navy Forrestal.
	And it turns out that Secretary Forrestal died under mysterious circumstances.
	There are people who believe he was murdered, and there are people who believe he committed suicide.
	Either way, witnesses believe that he was part of the original Majestic 12 group And examine the Roswell wreckage at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, where the working group was beginning the reverse engineering.
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	I know Bob Bigelow, and I guess I could call him and say, hey, Bob, what's up?
	You see, Bob keeps things pretty close to the chest, so maybe he'd tell me, maybe he wouldn't.
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	So, Bill, before we leave NIDS, just speculation, of course.
	Do you think, Bill, that NIDS, with the purchase of the ranch and all of the very serious investigation they did over the years, had some basic question answered for them that caused them to move on?
	Without violating my agreement, I can tell you this.
	To my satisfaction, they have confirmed the existence of portal phenomena, which takes us back to hyperspace.
	Portal phenomena is the ability to open up dimensional doorways between worlds or realms, allowing for living beings of some type or other to crawl through from one dimensional realm to another.
	What you're stating is certainly fact.
	It was described to me.
	Colm Culloher described it.
	Bob Bigelow himself described it.
	Okay, well then you're simply confirming that... I know all that's true.
	I'm just I'm asking you for a larger sort of final assessment since NIDS is at best on hold and at worst we're at the end of the line.
	Well, they had a pretty good idea of what cattle mutilations were all about at least The vast majority of them, and I believe that information is strictly confidential, they had a pretty good idea that portal phenomena and UFOs could be confirmed.
	And something that I was personally involved with, that I can speak of, is that when you're in an area with portal phenomena, sometimes you can get prehistoric species from either Your location where the portal phenomena is occurring or prehistoric species from other locations coming through that haven't been seen in 1.8 million years.
	Do you think that might account for things like the monsters in Texas or whatever they were?
	No, actually you had a guy, he called in on open lines and I think he talked to George You talked about coyotes breeding around some of the old spent uranium mines in south and western Texas.
	Yes.
	I am very confident that old abandoned uranium mines can definitely mess with higher order mammals such as canids with their genetics.
	All right.
	At any rate, And I don't think there's any connection to trooper government.
	But getting back to the central theme, you said you believe they've satisfied themselves with respect to cattle mutilations, which are definitely again coming full circle back to this reproductive thing, right?
	Well, not exactly.
	With very few exceptions, the majority of cattle mutilations that they were investigating, and gosh I hope I'm not upsetting anybody by saying this, let's just say they had a terrestrial origin.
	Paramilitary, corporate, terrestrial.
	Okay, but the women that have been abducted, certainly that... Okay, that clearly supports my hypothesis that hybridization... Yes, yes, yes.
	So I've got a question for you on that.
	Given that you've told us so much about the nature of abductions and the why of abductions, if a woman called up here right now and started screaming to you that she's abducted, she's been abducted since she was a child. She can't stand it. She
	wants it to stop. It scares her to death.
	I mean, what advice would you give to somebody who is being abducted, knowing what you know?
	I would advise her to seek counseling that helps her to bolster her sense of personal empowerment,
	because I have no good news for her in regards to her ability to fight them off.
	I've heard of abductees that claim that they can focus down on the situation and make the abduction experience stop, but I don't know any of those folks personally.
	I've investigated a large number of abductee cases.
	I've dated abductees prior to being married, and most of those people that I met didn't get a choice.
	They were livestock from the alien's perspective.
	So you have no advice specifically?
	Counseling about how to what?
	Accept what's happening to you?
	How do you feel a sense of personal empowerment despite the fact that there are outside environmental forces that are interfering with your basic right to live without being bothered?
	Pretty bleak advice.
	It's a bleak scenario, but you're dealing with a species or a system of species, you know, or multiple species factions that are involved in their own range wars on their levels.
	And they're harvesting the same way our cattle ranchers and our sheep ranchers go in and get their cattle and their sheep on an as-needed basis.
	Nobody asks, you know, a heifer Or, you know, a lamb, what its opinion is before it is taken for slaughter.
	Now I see why you get the emails.
	Lucky for most abductees, they're brought back.
	Not all, but most.
	Now there's an interesting question of itself.
	How many are not brought back?
	Nobody knows for sure.
	You know, Dave Jacobs and Bud Hopkins and John Mack all had opinions in regards to the amount of abductions that were taking place.
	I felt that there was less, but I still felt that it was significant.
	I felt that there was probably, in the 20th century, 15,000 legitimate UFO cases from 1901 to 2000, which would have included harvesting of genetic materials as part of their expeditionary mission.
	Well, while Dr. Jacobs, for example, is certainly in a minority, he firmly, firmly believes these are not our buddies.
	They don't have our best intentions in mind.
	That's what I just said.
	Well, yes.
	And I wonder which camp you're in.
	I'm in Jacobs' camp.
	I don't believe in trusting any alien as far as you can throw them.
	As far as I'm concerned, they are here for their agenda, and we are livestock.
	We are harvestable, agricultural, reproductive commodities to these beings.
	There might be a tiny subset that are interested in our emotions, that are interested in compassion, that are interested in a lot of things, but the majority of these aliens represent hive cultures with genetic engineering.
	And economies based on interstellar travel utilizing space folds or hyperspace or surfing wormholes in order to get from one Oasis type star system to another.
	That's why my entire overview of UFOlogy is called the Oasis Earth Hypothesis.
	It's one of three books that I'm writing on the subject.
	When those books are done, I will be done.
	I want to switch back to doing forensic art and movie art.
	So we don't get to heaven, as it were, until we join the hive mind?
	I didn't say that.
	I'm absolutely convinced that there is a metaphysical element and experiential dimension to the human soul.
	I believe that when we die, we absolutely go somewhere.
	And we probably join with a collective of other beings, including higher beings and benevolent beings.
	I believe that there's life in other dimensions and on other levels.
	That's like a hive mind, Bill, what you're describing.
	We join mentally, or a collective of, that sounds like a hive mind.
	A life network, a life net, that exerts itself omnidirectionally throughout the entire space-time continuum of the multiverse.
	In other words, all universes that intersect with ours.
	And I believe that life and consciousness art is a unified field that exerts itself omnidirectionally within all dimensions of our multiverse, or our universe, depending on how you want to look at it mathematically.
	I am absolutely convinced that Hal put off and Eric Davis and all those guys that got together last February to try to write the theory of everything.
	And they failed.
	And I kind of knew they were going to.
	And I finally figured out why.
	And when I told them, they did not take me to the scientific woodshed.
	And the reason why is because they can write the equations for the quantum, the microscopic quantum world, and they can write their equations for Einsteinian four-dimensional space-time.
	In other words, the cosmic universe.
	But what they can't do is figure out a way to write the essence of consciousness and life force as it networks as information throughout the universe as a mathematical quantity or as a mathematical expression.
	And until we learn how to do that, It will not be possible to crack the theory of everything.
	Right.
	And it will not be possible to launch a testbed into hyperspace.
	And even if we did, there would be no way in hell to navigate it.
	I believe that remote viewing is the first step that our species has taken toward being able to navigate hyperspace.
	And I believe that the first guy to come up with this idea was Frank Herbert, who wrote Dune back in the late 60s, and had it published around 1972 in Analog Magazine.
	Well, you used a lot of interesting words to describe the process of death, for example, and what happens, but it still, to me, when it breaks down, sounds kind of like, call it The Collective, if you will, or Hive Mind, if you will.
	There's a difference between Hive Mind and a compassionate collective.
	A hive mind is what I see with the majority of the greys.
	It's a culture whose leaders are like these judges.
	They're organic beings that function and think along the lines of computers without emotions, without compassion, without any consideration whatsoever for other beings of other species.
	Okay, let's talk about the greys a little bit.
	Are the greys themselves hybrid?
	Are they manufactured beings?
	They are engineered beings, but they are living beings as far as I'm able to determine.
	Manufactured but living?
	Yeah, they're living.
	They are bred artificially using advanced replication and gene splicing techniques, but the pattern is breaking down and they're having to collect more and more DNA from other compatible species in order to make up For the information that is being lost from one generation to the next.
	Because it's like making a Xerox of a Xerox of a Xerox of a Xerox of a Xerox.
	And you know how bad the images get by the fourth or fifth generation?
	Yes.
	Well, it's the same thing with cloning or replication.
	Replication involves making of beings using genetic materials from multiple, in other words, more than two parents.
	Cloning is the making of a being from only one.
	And gene splicing involves using genetic materials and combinations from multiple species together to create what we would call chimeras or chimeras, depending on how you want to pronounce it.
	The Roswell aliens were clearly artificially bred chimeras that were bred to live in a fluid environment inside the spacecraft and to interface with it in order to become composite colony machine organisms.
	In other words, when the flight crew merged with the spacecraft, the entire thing became an entity.
	It became one life form.
	Gotcha.
	With multiple brain nodes.
	And it has to be odd numbered.
	Because what you need in order to keep your artificial intelligence from experiencing cyber or biomimetic psychosis, you have to have distributed processing.
	In order to achieve convergent solutions, in order to get or prescribe the emergent behavior that you want, which is i.e.
	your flight control, your landing control, your expeditionary mission, whatever it is.
	Put another way, your organic creations have to remain sane.
	Well, the organic creations hold the entire entity sane.
	Because artificial intelligence always ends up either catatonic or in some kind of what Clark described, Arthur C. Clark, as the S-Mobius loop.
	They either shut themselves off or they do something that is self-destructive or destructive to the system user, which means that your computer goes into the legal terminology of insanity.
	It becomes non-functional if it becomes self-aware.
	The stabilizing factor to life is the organic's ability to experience higher metaphysical experience, which stabilizes the sanity of both the organic and any machine system that is interfaced with the organic.
	Or blue screens.
	If you will.
	Yeah.
	Real quick before I forget.
	Yes.
	On that timeline thing, I made a radical discovery.
	And that is that James Forrestal, whether you believe he was murdered, or whether you believe he committed suicide, it happened two days after the inception of the Armed Forces Security Agency, which was the precursor to the National Security Agency that came along two years later.
	Right.
	That's where this timeline is so critical, because all these little details, they start to add up.
	You have to be an artist sometimes to notice the patterns and the clusters.
	Which do you think?
	Do you suspect murder or suicide?
	I suspect murder only because everybody's witnesses state that about the time that he supposedly had this meeting with the MJ-12 people that he became very upset And that he was a person that did not believe in secrecy, he did not believe in the withholding of disclosure from American citizens, and he was patently morally against the entire concept of a military-industrial complex.
	Is there still an MJ-12 or its equivalent?
	Oh boy, what a great question!
	MJ-12 was a subcontractor under CIA's financing until the NSA came along in 1951 under Beale Smith.
	And then, sometime after 1951, funding was transferred from foreign to domestic intelligence resources.
	And it continued on as a subcontractor until the Apollo 11 mission in 1969.
	When the Apollos started landing on the moon, my witnesses state Unequivocally, and these are people who don't even know each other, that President Nixon found a way to divorce this Operation Majestic.
	It wasn't called MJ-12 anymore at that point.
	It's collectively known to the witnesses as Operation Majestic.
	It was transferred away from constitutional control or oversight by Congress or the Pentagon or the intelligence agencies.
	Nixon found a way to turn it into an international corporate private corporate conglomerate with the kind of money that a Microsoft would have but with less than 250 people involved total.
	And this was accomplished by President Nixon by executive order?
	Basically and more interesting than that the process of divorcing the Operation Majestic from Government began when he was vice president under Dwight Eisenhower because the two of them were absolutely paranoid of the military industrial complex.
	But interestingly enough, he completed the job while everybody was focused on Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin and then the next two guys to go in after them.
	Absolutely remarkable.
	All right, Bill.
	Nixon is hugely involved.
	In bringing the conspiracy to the private sector, Art, and there's a reason for that, and it's economic.
	Alright, Bill.
	You absolutely cannot expect people to keep a secret when they're civil servants.
	But when they're looking at multi-million dollar retirement packages, their mouths stay shut.
	Tend to, yes.
	Alright, Bill, hold on.
	My guest is Bill McDonald.
	Boy, does he have a lot to say.
	Very shortly, turn to the phones and let you ask him questions.
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	Bill McDonald is here.
	And it seems like he can answer an awful lot of questions about who they are, what they're like, what they ride in, and why they're here.
	That's a lot.
	so shortly will go to the phones do
	ladies and gentlemen once again bill donald Bill, have you written a book or you have, haven't you?
	Oasis... Excuse me, Oasis Earth... That's hard.
	Oasis Earth Hypothesis.
	Yes, sir.
	I've got three manuscripts in various stages of completion.
	The first one is the spacecraft and flight crew recovered at Roswell.
	The second is my overview ...and 2004 Situation Report of the Alien Presence on Earth, and that is the Oasis Earth Hypothesis, which covers most of what we were talking about tonight, but in extreme detail.
	It's a 63-page treatment right now.
	I am looking for a publisher, and I really need to say this.
	I've been talking to a number of people, including Hal Puthoff and, of course, Steve Bassett from the X Conference.
	And everybody's rooting for me to find a publisher right now to get this Oasis Earth Hypothesis material that we're talking about out to the public along with the illustrations that make the read a whole lot more fun.
	And the third one is going to be called The Four Horsemen of the Aviation Apocalypse.
	And that's going to require me to take the resources from the first two books and spend it researching the third.
	Those four horsemen are Kelly Johnson, Ben Rich, Dr. Robert I. Saubacher, and John Andrews of the Tester Corporation.
	I've got some correspondence between Ben Rich and Andrews, which also refers to Saubacher, which is published on my website at alienufoart.com, which, you know, discusses Ben Rich's acknowledgment of UFO craft.
	And he also acknowledged the technologies to go to the stars.
	That means to make the jump to hyperspace.
	To my friend, Jan Harzan, who is head of Mufon Orange County out in Southern California, which is frankly where I belong, even though I'm in exile here in Arizona.
	And Ben Rich knew all about UFOs.
	The ones that we made, and the ones that they made.
	And I believe that Bob Bigelow, knows about UFOs, and it has a little taste of the knowledge that Ben Rich had.
	And I believe that there's a lot of people in both government and in the private sector, especially the private sector, that know a lot, who are keeping their mouths shut, Art, because it's profitable to do so.
	Well, I know Bob Bigelow quite well.
	We've been friends for a number of years, but I can also tell you that he is very A very mysterious man who keeps a lot of things very close.
	There's absolutely no question about that.
	I know him that well, Bill.
	Well, my opinions right now are designed to hopefully provoke a little bit of interest, maybe a little bit of response.
	I'm sure.
	Well, I've got plenty of that waiting for you on the phone.
	Let's find out.
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	I've got a question for your guest, please.
	Yes, go ahead.
	It has been mentioned many times that the bodies and remains of the Roswell crash were taken to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton, Ohio.
	Now, during the Clinton administration, President Clinton scheduled a mini-summit with some of the world leaders, and I don't know who they were, at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
	Dayton, Ohio, is a very small town compared to many of the cities that they could have met at.
	Do you think there was some significance there that he wanted to show some of these world leaders to try to convince them of something?
	I actually think that's an excellent question.
	It did seem an odd location for that meeting.
	I recall the meeting.
	It was a Middle Eastern peace initiative, if I recall, and that seems like a very logical thing to surmise.
	However, My information regarding Bill Clinton is far too sketchy, but it is my personal opinion that he was not in on the loop regarding alien technologies at all.
	George H.W.
	Bush Sr.
	was most certainly knowledgeable.
	Still, you have to think, though, Bill, if you wanted to take a couple of real hard-headed Middle Eastern leaders And find something that would either scare them both equally, or impress them both equally, or something or another.
	That would definitely do the trick.
	It makes total sense to me.
	However, like I said, I have no testimony that suggests that Bill Clinton had any access to information regarding alien technologies, and I can't imagine anybody wanting to give him that kind of information.
	Military wasn't real fun, Bill Clinton.
	Exactly.
	On the other hand, Art, If you want to go to a place where you can get your Middle Eastern people together with some Jews, where nobody can shoot anybody else, and where rifle teams and assassinations are least likely to occur, one of the safest places on earth to have a peace conference is Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
	It's got the size And it's got the security that's needed to do the job.
	And it's also got some stored relics, according to history.
	I mean, do you believe that?
	I believe that the stored relics were there until my Wright-Patterson witness tells me that he helped roll up the wings of the spacecraft.
	They packed it into a cargo shipping container.
	They moved all of the documents and all of the components and the primary hull itself By rail out to Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado Springs, and that it was buried under level 23 under the mountain.
	And if you'll notice, the president is only authorized to go to level 11, according to my witnesses.
	And that's where it remains today?
	No.
	It remained there until a guy by the name of Bob Lazar included a description of that tiny arrow-winged skiff Yes.
	Along with eight other vehicles in a trio of hangars.
	Yes.
	At Area S4 in 1989.
	And then what?
	And then he saw it there at the time that he observed the sports model being tested.
	Right, I'm aware of that.
	But what did they do?
	Well, if you listen to a lot of the watchers and the observers, Coming out of Rachel, Nevada.
	By 1993, apparently all UFO activity had been moved out of the Nellis Range area, and apparently had been shifted north to the Rocky Mountain bases of Canada, in the real wilderness, rugged wilderness areas, where the only way in or out is by helicopter or by aircraft.
	And you believe that's where it remains today?
	I believe that any hand-me-down, human-piloted alien craft, or any of the bouncers, as my military pilots have called them in the past, which is also a term that's been used in a famous series of sci-fi books, and there's another one, ARCs, and there's a number of nicknames for these type of vehicles, but I believe they've all been moved to Canadian territory.
	Because nobody can hide them better than the Canadians from prying civilian eyes.
	The Canadians are that good, huh?
	The Canadians have airbases in mountains and runways that are carved into sides of mountains.
	They have enclosed areas similar to like Cheyenne Mountain, but maybe not as big.
	They put a lot of resources into bunkers and airbases in remote areas.
	You wouldn't think that our national leaders, whoever they really might be or you imagine them to be, would be willing to cede control physically over such craft across our or out of our borders?
	There's a number of reasons why.
	Why?
	The Canadians are our staunchest allies when it comes to aviation technology in the world.
	They and the British and the Germans and us have the best aviation technologies in the world, both in design of the aircraft and in design of software used to fly the aircraft.
	Second of all, the British, the Canadians, and us, and even the Russians, made a grab for the stuff that the Germans had from a UFO crash in Germany, and from their own experiments regarding the thrower balls and the kugelblitz, that was built right on the eve of the end of the war and flight tested before the LA's came crunching into Nordhausen and Thuringia in the Hearts Mountains.
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	Hello there.
	Hi.
	I was wondering if these spacecraft, are they biological and do they, can they turn Uh, protein in the fuel?
	Uh, not exactly.
	The, uh, spacecraft appear to be the most carefully grown woven metal lattices where, where the molecules align from the north pole on a disc in a spiral that at the microscopic level takes it, you know, millions and millions of times around the vehicle till you get to the rim.
	And then back down to the South Pole in the belly, and the energy flows along these molecular lattices almost unimpeded in any way.
	They have absolute control.
	But you did allude to the fact that the occupants were in effect the ship, part of the ship, right?
	The occupants, whether you've got 1 or 3 or 5 or 7 or 13 or whatever, They function as multiple brain nodes within the vehicle.
	So they're part of it?
	They become part of it when they interface, when they climb in.
	So then really what he said was partially true.
	In other words... It's partially true, but the power sources involve energy and magnetism and the access and amplification of magnetic fields and exotic energies.
	And perhaps even zero-point energy when they're outside the atmosphere or the gravity well of a planet.
	All UFOs exhibit multi-mode propulsions.
	They exhibit one kind when they're in an atmosphere, they exhibit another kind when they're in the ocean, and they exhibit different kinds for different maneuvers as they get into higher and higher altitudes away from the surface of a world.
	Would make sense.
	Certainly the propulsion you'd need to escape gravity Would be one thing, and propulsion to navigate open space entirely something else again, and certainly to navigate through water yet something else, so you're right.
	This caller also brings up something critical that I almost forgot.
	Whether it is the Roswell ship, or the spaceships of Carlos Diaz in Mexico, or some exotic UFOs that have been scribed down in Australia, All of the witnesses describe that the interior systems and the interior circuitry and the interior consoles and the overall design of the vehicles themselves mimic an art.
	This is critical UFO spacecraft.
	I'm going to say this and it's going to sound freaky, but it's true.
	UFO spacecraft, whether it's air wing or trianguloid or discoid, mimics the function, structure
	and form of living tissue down to the molecular level, even though they're made out of exotic
	metal combinations and crystalline lattice combinations, grown, not assembled, probably
	in huge orbiting vats in the hot chromospheres of red dwarf stars where they have access
	to heavy elements, or perhaps in the lower layers, the hot layers of gas giant planets
	where a chain molecule is the blueprint and where nano-assemblers assemble these lattices
	in the spiral formations that eventually grow the entire vehicle.
	Okay, so they're like living things.
	They mimic biology in their complexity, absolutely, and the designs that seem Most able to function with UFOs mimic marine organisms like Echinoderms.
	You know how you have that Sir Charles Schultz?
	Yes.
	That is seeing Echinoderm, which is, you know, like your sand dollars and your sea urchins on Mars.
	Yes.
	The fossils.
	well what if the aliens learned a long time ago art that these forms in nature
	recur in world after world after world where the conditions are even remotely
	similar because they are so intrinsically perfect
	unto themselves that nature
	always seems to revert to the same designs and the ultimate evolution of machine systems
	is to mimic Bill, last night I had a theoretical physicist on.
	I heard him, I love him.
	He admitted readily that with a high degree of certainty there is going to be life at the microbial level, at least, on Mars.
	Oh, I agree.
	Wait a minute, let me finish.
	But he said that it is his belief that complex life is not at all common.
	And that it is, in fact, very rare.
	Meaning that there aren't a whole lot of alien civilizations out there.
	There's a whole lot of microbial life and maybe, maybe, very few complex modern industrial or better civilizations.
	Well, see, and I can agree with that because in this vast galaxy of 100 to 200 billion stars, my witnesses have described to me Only 11 species, subspecies and casts of organic, alien, you know, bipedal beings or humanoid system users.
	Only 11.
	Only 11 species and subspecies and casts.
	Only 11.
	Now, Bob Dean says there are 16, and somebody else that you or George had on a few weeks ago said 46.
	But my research says 11.
	And, you know, Bob Dean and I talk about this every now and then because he lives right by me.
	And we just, you know, he has his information and I have my information.
	A lot of it dovetails, but occasionally we disagree on the numbers.
	Okay, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Bill McDonald.
	William, only your first name, please.
	William.
	William, and where?
	Ohio?
	Cleveland, Ohio.
	Okay.
	Fire away.
	Alright, I'd like to ask, I became aware of Coast to Coast.
	A Georgia County Sheriff told me I should get my story on the air.
	I'm the youngest of nine children.
	My father was involved in intelligence.
	My oldest brother disappeared after he was involved with the drug trade, which I traced back to MKUltra.
	And my second oldest brother was involved in an experimentation with LSD for MKUltra.
	We don't have a lot of time here.
	I served in the United States Air Force, nuclear bombers out of Blytheville Air Force Base.
	In Arkansas, all of my wisdom teeth were taken out, per arrangements made in the service.
	What does that have to do with anything?
	Ah, there was three ovals.
	I have panorexes, three panorexes already to the past five years taken of my jaw.
	It looks like that there's three ovals placed in the roof of my mouth.
	I was wondering, is it knowledge?
	Does he have knowledge or information?
	Does he believe that the military Is collaborating with the E.T.
	Intelligence.
	As a child I have also had experience.
	All right, hold it right there.
	We're very short on time.
	That is a very good question.
	The technology exists both on Earth and in the heavens above to mark you and tag you by anybody who wants to track you.
	Brand you.
	Now, whether or exactly, especially when you have, you know, different Factions that are in competition with each other regarding different populations around the globe But I will tell this caller this As far as his individual situation, he has to be obsessed as an individual case and he has to be interviewed carefully and we have to determine what his story is and Maybe refer him to Roger Lear in order to check and see if there's anything embedded in his jaw or his maxilla
	That needs further examination.
	We're at the top of the hour.
	Heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy U.S.
	military involvement with our visitors.
	Yes or no?
	Some, I would say a little yes, a little no.
	A little yes, a little no.
	Alright, we'll have to take that.
	A little yes, a little no.
	but whatever they are their living things
	are all in the writing and sleeping and sweating
	it's magic and you
	have you seen the sun rise?
	you whatever
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	And by the way, I want to note that I went to poor Bill during the break and noted his voice is beginning to sound a bit On the ragged side, and he said something about the curse of Coast.
	Is that right, Bill?
	Absolutely.
	For the last four visits that I have had to Coast, every time you guys schedule me, a head cold arrives, usually conveyed via my children and school, or the baby granddaughter in this case, who, by the way, turns two today.
	Happy birthday to Nina.
	But I get sick, and then I get the drainage, and then the voice goes, and I end up sounding like some of the reptiles that I used to take care of before I got married.
	Yes.
	All right.
	Scott in Raleigh, and I hope yours doesn't go on as long as Boston's.
	Scott in Raleigh, North Carolina, has a two-part question.
	Hi.
	What does your guest think of Stephen Greer's belief that most aliens are friendly and peaceful?
	I like Stephen Greer a lot.
	But I don't agree with him that most aliens are friendly and peaceful.
	I believe that most aliens are selfish and self-serving.
	There is substantial evidence, Bill, that we perhaps shot at AlienCraft.
	I'm sure you've seen the footage, the STS footage.
	Yeah.
	And Stephen Greer gets very upset when He notes that we're shooting at them, doesn't think it's a good idea.
	I absolutely think we should be shooting at them, we should be improving our weapons systems, and we should be doing everything we can to draw our own line in the sand and say, hey, this is our planet, this is our territory, if you want to come and establish a diplomatic mission, welcome.
	If you want to come and harvest our DNA and scare the living bejesus out of our people, Yes, the second part of the question is your guest believes that they consider us to be their herd, John Lear's containers.
	Is the concern expressed in the BBC message just to preserve the herd?
	I believe that the BBC message was created by people and that it draws upon some of the popular mythology and sociology of the day and that uh... there is no alien source related to either the ashtar command or whoever this other command was that the bbc was talking about so you think it's human origin not alien i believe it was you know uh... some uh... rather brilliant broadcasters putting out a hoax and then going down to the local pub and stroking themselves over a few uh...
	You know, tall and frothy.
	Fascinating.
	First Time Caller line, you're on the air with Bill McDonald.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Where are you?
	Where are you, sir?
	I'm in Iowa.
	Iowa.
	All right.
	Proceed.
	Yeah.
	Bill, what I was wondering is, are the aliens, what are they learning, trying to learn off us with our DNA?
	And I guess the other question Would be, is there anything with science, religion, and philosophy actually being three parts of the same coin, looking at it from different perspectives, and how that all ties into advanced technology?
	All the witnesses that I've talked to among the 248 legitimates who were abductees all convey the same information.
	A small contingent of aliens are interested in human emotions and are interested in the well-being of the human mind and you know attempt to interact with humans on an emotional level.
	The vast majority of them do not learn anything from our DNA that they don't already know because they're harvesting our DNA to use directly through splicing techniques into the next generation of aliens that they are replicating aboard their ships and their nurseries.
	So it's not so much what they are learning, it's simply the utilization of a tried-and-true technique that they've been using for, you know, decades or hundreds or even thousands of years.
	But a small percentage may in fact be interested in our spirituality Well, is that smaller group going to help us get weapons to shoot down the guys harvesting?
	Probably not.
	They're probably kind of like the guardian angels that so many people have talked about in so many cultures.
	Really?
	So many centuries.
	You see, now you're sort of sliding back to that which you said you didn't really believe.
	I never said I didn't believe in it.
	Guardian angels are real, spirit guides are real, and animal totems are real, because I've learned how to experience them in vision quests and through prayer, and by hanging out with my wife.
	Right, that's just spiffy.
	But I did ask you early on, if you didn't consider some of what the people who write you the Bible messages and more, say to you, that might be the case.
	So you kind of dismissed it then, and now you're talking about angels.
	That's because their attitude does not convey itself as people of faith.
	They're angry and they're afraid.
	For instance, I just received an email from a real Christian, a guy named Donald, who approached me in the email with respect and with tolerance and with good old, just a good dose of common decency.
	Yes.
	And now here's a man who practices his faith.
	Here's a man who practices tolerance.
	Here's a man who leads the judging to God and simply seeks to share and convey information with me without being critical or without being judgmental.
	So thank you to Donald for being a real Christian because Donald is what I hope for when I meet a Christian.
	But you don't always get Donald, right?
	For every Donald I get, you know, 50 Not-so-tolerant people who label themselves as Christians.
	A wildcard line, you're on the air with Bill McDonald.
	Hello?
	Hello, Howard.
	This is David.
	I'm one of your kind of guys who's been listening for a long time.
	Boy, you're on a horrible cell phone connection.
	Sorry, let me turn off my headset.
	Okay.
	Can you hear me?
	Yeah, but you sound like an alien.
	Go ahead.
	Anyways, Bill, I...
	There's a girl from Denver, Colorado, whose dad's brother worked the ranch down in Roswell.
	And he said that his brother told him on his deathbed that they were not supposed to talk about what they saw.
	And it took a day and a half for the boys to get out to where they were at.
	And it took them almost a day to get there by horseback from where they were out running the ranch.
	And he was a ranch foreman out there and what they found and what his brother told me was they were about three foot tall and they were alive when they wrecked.
	Okay, what you have to understand was there were two crash sites.
	The Corona Ranch that who had a foreman by the name of Mack Brazel and his family was approximately 70 to 74 miles north-northwest of the final resting place of the vehicle, and it actually hit the ground twice, skipping and tobogganing across the hilltops multiple times in between.
	And the vehicle was losing ballast the entire time it was doing that.
	And the area where it came to rest finally, where the bodies were recovered, was an arroyo And it was Bureau of Land Management land that was currently being leased by Judd McKnight and Jason Ridgeway, who were these two ranchers.
	And Hub Corn has that land now.
	But there were two crash sites.
	And so when the Corns and the Bogles, that are the current landowners in the two spots, Well, no, my land is a crash site.
	No, my land is a crash site.
	You're actually both correct because the ship hit the ground twice.
	Okay, were there victims of the crash that lived beyond the moment of the crash?
	There are people that claim that, however, the witnesses, the military witnesses, the counterintelligence corps witnesses, and Frank Coffman, and that controversial Frank Coffman, Confirm that they were all dead at the time of recovery, which was six hours after impact.
	And that's what you believe to be true?
	Yeah.
	Now in regards to Frank Coffman, and this is very critical art, Kevin Randall and Mark Roddicker and Stan Friedman all have irrevocable proof that he fooled around with documents and that he did forgeries.
	The problem is, is that the spaceship That Frank Kaufman described in detail to Randall Schmidt in 89 and to me in 95 is absolutely identical to the spaceship that Kelly Johnson and Ben Rich described to Robert I. Saabacher in John Andrews as early as 1983.
	And if Frank was such a horrible liar, then why was it that his spaceship was identical to the Skunk Works people who never met them in their lives?
	Have you reviewed this alleged evidence?
	I haven't reviewed the documentation regarding Frank's backgrounds because I trust Kevin Randall, I trust Mark Roddicker, and I trust Stanton Friedman.
	Randall and Roddicker are professional investigators, every bit as good as any private detective I've ever met.
	Randall is an intelligence officer, for God's sake, in Iraq until recently.
	And Roddiger, he has a sterling reputation.
	And Stanton Friedman, he's always done good work, you know, when he actually puts his nose to the grindstone and does it.
	The problem is, as I told Hal Puthoff, Frank Kaufman told a lot of people a lot of lies, but when it came to the spaceship and the bodies, he didn't fudge, because he was respectful to the point of religion when it came to the spaceship and the bodies.
	Now, we ran into a lot of witnesses with very colorful checkered backgrounds who did things that made us not trust them.
	But here's the problem.
	Each of these non-trustworthy witnesses still described the same configuration of spacecraft, regardless of the angle they were looking at it.
	It still matches my tester model kit of the Roswell UFO.
	And they still match the original description of the bodies provided by Len Stringfield to Kevin Randall and later to me.
	Which means that... So basically you're having arguments over the veracity of witnesses.
	Yeah, but here's the thing.
	Everybody, Kent Jeffries, Kevin Randall, Don Schmidt, Stan Friedman, Bill Moore, all these people went after the backgrounds and the pedigrees of the witnesses.
	I worked the case in a way that nobody else ever did.
	I promised all these people that if you gave me access to the witnesses, I wouldn't touch their backgrounds.
	I was only interested in two things, and to this day, the only thing I care about is spaceships and flight crew.
	I don't care about anything else, because if you've got 20 witnesses, and they all describe the same arrow bat-winged spaceship, Instead of one guy describing a disc, and another guy describing a triangle.
	Right, right.
	Then obviously, everybody's telling some degree of the truth.
	Or collaborated.
	But yet, some of these people either hadn't seen each other in 50 years, or had never met.
	Okay.
	On that note, East of the Rockies, you're on there with Bill McDonald.
	Yes, hello.
	Hello.
	I consider, or I believe myself to be a repeat abductee.
	I heard the statement about these other beings, whatever you want to call them, look upon us as cattle.
	I have a lot in my recollection that does support that in a lot of ways.
	I won't argue that most of them have our benefit in mind, although I believe that some do, as he also stated.
	What leads you to believe, specifically as an abductee, what leads you to believe that they regard us basically as a resource, a herd, as it were?
	Well, actually, that's partly what I was calling to challenge that a little bit.
	I don't feel that that's all we are.
	And again, not necessarily putting any polarity on that.
	That it's more positive than that, or more negative than that, but it seems like too complex of a phenomenon to regard as simply being a herd of cattle for their harvesting of genetic material.
	Although, again, my memory, for what it's worth, does seem to support that idea.
	You're saying, so it is that, but it is more.
	Do you know what that more is?
	Right.
	Well, I have some I have memories of what that more might be, but I don't know if it's possible to make any credible statement with regard to its veracity.
	In other words, you know, it crosses my mind a lot that it could all be hogwash, a sort of nice coat of paint put on this so that it's more palatable to us.
	Okay, caller, I had a very dear friendship with a female researcher by the name of Dr. Carla Turner.
	Her friends called her Candy, and at one time she was considered one of the foremost abduction researchers in the world.
	And her entire interpretation of the phenomena was that it was some kind of smoke screen or some kind of screen memory for something far more insidious or something radically different
	than what people were perceiving. So that's one possible way of looking at this. Another thing is
	is that the late Dr. John Mack, and God bless him because he was a wonderful
	person, his entire database
	was full of people who claimed to have received something in return. For some of them it was a message
	involving salvaging the world's ecology.
	For others, they felt like they were bettered in some way or uplifted in some way.
	And I acknowledge that in a small percentage of my abductee people that have come to me with their stories and experiences, that some people, whether it's manufactured by themselves or whether the aliens gave it to them, they feel bettered or improved in some way.
	I'm willing to concede that in some cases individuals benefit in some way, at least by their own perception.
	But that doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming number of abductions worldwide, especially in places like Mexico and Brazil and Malaysia, where the gene pool is deep because of all the racial mixing that has gone on for the last three to four hundred years, And they're treated like cattle on the assembly line.
	Thirty-second warning, gentlemen.
	Caller, any other comments?
	Yeah, I would like to say, you know, this runs through my mind a lot as well, and there's obviously a lot of pretty things I'd like to believe, and I'm not sure if I can really believe them, but the one thing that leads me to believe that maybe that's not all there is, for better or for worse, is that it seems like if they really wanted us completely only as cattle, why not do this by force?
	It seems that they have the overwhelming power to be able to do that if they just wanted to lock us up.
	Okay, I absolutely have to answer that.
	That's a major component of the election.
	Absolutely hold on to your answer, Bill, and we'll tackle it when we get back.
	I thought it was by force.
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	And Bill McDonald who's a virtual encyclopedia on just about everything
	alien. No question about it. So if you have questions for him we're deep into
	that. Now he is in the process of writing a book.
	His book is called Oasis Earth Hypothesis.
	Got it right that time.
	You want to know more about it?
	Just slide right on through our website to his.
	And that's where you'll learn more.
	Is it eventually going to be?
	I know you have high hopes for a publisher, Bill.
	I'll say a year from now, could we be looking at a published work, do you think?
	As fast as a publisher gets to me and negotiates a deal that's appropriate for me and my family, I can finish the book in two weeks.
	I'm an extremely prolific writer.
	Unfortunately, I ghost for a lot of people and I vet edit for a lot of science fiction authors.
	Most notably Steve Alton on all of his stuff.
	Steve is one of Barbara's regular guests when Barbara Simpson is around.
	But I can write fast and it's not a problem.
	I don't suffer from writer's block.
	My main situation is I want to publish a book that is highly illustrated, coffee table style.
	I'm almost interested in doing a flip book where On one side, you flip it over, and it's the spacecraft and flight crew at Roswell.
	And then you flip it over, and it reads as the Oasis Earth Hypothesis.
	I've seen books like that in both France and in Japan, and they fascinated me.
	And I would love to publish a book like that, or just to do a standard three-volume set where the Roswell research is one volume, heavily illustrated, including the full interior diagrams Get you illustrations of everything that Colonel Corso and the Wright-Patterson witness saw when they crawled through the wreckage of the spacecraft.
	Yes, I was able to interview Colonel Corso, as I'm sure you're aware, several times.
	As was I. Incredible interviews.
	I mean, just incredible.
	He endorsed my entire configuration of the spacecraft, and he went along with both the Kauffman and Stringfield versions of the flight crew which I considered to be amphibians uh... who resembled little small Asian first graders with no hair in in their physical appearance.
	Alright, back to the phones.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Bill McDonald.
	Hi.
	How are y'all doing tonight?
	Just good.
	From the mountains of Western North Carolina.
	Yes, sir.
	I was wondering if you think there's any explanation behind UFO sightings where the person will look in the sky and see the bright light and all the other Very good question, actually.
	Yes, absolutely.
	My hypothesis is that UFO spacecraft, their outer skins, their hulls, are their propulsion.
	and form certain geometric patterns and move around in the sky and then go back to one UFO.
	Is there any rhyme or reason to that?
	Very good question, actually.
	Yes, absolutely.
	My hypothesis is that UFO spacecraft, their outer skins, their hulls are their propulsion.
	And they're also universal emitters of electromagnetic energy in any frequency or spectrum.
	In other words, if the aliens wanted to run Budweiser ads on their spaceships, they could do a better job than the Goodyear blimp.
	And I think that invisibility is a byproduct of propulsion in many of these cases.
	And so they then emit light in different frequencies and in different combinations along their hulls.
	in order to mesmerize or toy with observers or perhaps for some kind of psychological or sociological analysis.
	I'm uncertain, but it probably is their version of advertising.
	There's also a phenomenon that Linda Moulton Howe has documented frequently, and that is where these devices, rather than being cybernetic anthropomorphous machine systems, which we make or biomimetic biomimetic anthropomorphous machine systems, which aliens make, they may in fact be plasma generated, you know, plasma balls, functioning with similar physics to ball lightning,
	And Dr. Eric W. Davis, formerly of NIDS, is an expert in the study of ball lightning.
	He completed a paper and a thesis for the Air Force on that.
	I am aware they were very interested in that, and at one time all of that was thought to be poppycock.
	I mean, absolute poppycock.
	Ball lightning, ah, a myth.
	Well, no, it's not.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Linda has determined that There perhaps are plasma probes that operate similar to the machine systems, but they're plasma.
	Listen, I heard Linda interview a physicist who had not only managed to initiate, but maintain a plasma ball without it losing its energy, which would defy, of course, conventional physics.
	So there's something there.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Bill McDonald.
	Hi.
	Hey Art, Bill, this is John in Atlanta.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, John.
	Bill, I'd like to hear what you have to say about David Adair's experience in Area 51, but first I want to say that I dusted off my old copy of the alien interview tape that was supposedly smuggled out of Area 51 by a guy named Victor that Art interviewed a few years ago.
	That's right.
	And, uh, one of the things that Victor was saying about this particular alien that was being held at Area 51 is that, uh, relating to us and them, that we were, uh, vessels.
	That's right.
	We as human beings, them as aliens, were vessels.
	That's a common recurring theme.
	Yes.
	It's a common recurring theme with people like John Lear, And with a lot of purported witnesses, and I see it as a common pattern and trend in a lot of what witnesses have to say, just like it's another common pattern and trend that reclamation of the Earth's ecology is a major issue or message between alien beings and humans.
	It's common.
	That's my only comment that I have regarding that.
	All right, then onward.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Bill McDonald.
	Hi.
	Good evening.
	Good evening.
	Where are you?
	Great show.
	This is Justin in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
	Hey, Justin.
	I have to say it's a joy to hear someone who has a handle on this.
	I say that as an abductee, and it's frustrating.
	Anyway, my question is, Being computerless, is there a phone number or a post office box where we can contact?
	Absolutely.
	My wife and I are completely prepared for this.
	Folks who want to contact us, either for artwork or if they are abductees or witnesses who want to tell their story, they can get a hold of us very easily.
	We have a business message line which is at area code four eight zero in arizona
	three two niner niner
	one one six again that is four eight zero
	nine one one six Way to go.
	That's a way to give out a phone number.
	That phone number can be found on the order page of our website, which is alienufoart.com.
	Right, but he doesn't have a computer.
	Caller, since you were an abductee, did you get, do you also have the same sense of being just sort of a part of a herd?
	I would say lab rat.
	Lab rat, well, okay, that's close enough.
	Thank you.
	And that is an analogy that I use in the Oasis Earth hypothesis.
	Elaborate.
	Yes, absolutely.
	That totally fits with what my witnesses tell me.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Bill McDonald.
	Hi.
	Hi, and good day to you.
	Bill, you're doing a fabulous job.
	I've introduced Colonel Wendell Stevens and some other highly placed military in the Canadian and American Armed Forces.
	I'm 5th Generation Armed Forces and You've been in this game a bit on the periphery for about 25 years.
	You're covering just about all the bases I can think.
	You didn't fly this stuff up here by helicopters.
	You actually tunneled up from Utah into our mountain range.
	I think you've done very, very well this evening.
	That tunnel system, according to my witnesses, runs from Cheyenne Mountain to Groom Lake and then out to China Lake in California.
	And it's the size of the five freeway.
	It's up to ten lanes with maglev trains running in between.
	Wow.
	And you can move a lot on these underground freeways.
	I'm going to give you a chance to clear your throat and take a sip of perhaps some tea or something and we'll be
	right back Bill McDonald, the poor guy with the coast curse
	He gets a virus every time he's headed into this program.
	You there, Bill?
	I'm here.
	My voice will hold out just fine.
	Listen, Art, there's a couple of things that I absolutely have to get out.
	Then you better get them out now, because we don't have a lot of time.
	Okay, first of all, alienufoart.com, our website, has email buttons all over it, so people can email us very easily.
	Uh, second thing is there's some people that I absolutely have to thank.
	And the first and most important person is the guy that hosts our website even when we're flat broke and he never thrashes our bandwidth.
	And that is Mark Williams of TheHostPros.com.
	That's a good friend to have.
	Bandwidth is money.
	Yeah, his name is Mark Williams and it's TheHostPros.com.
	Okay.
	And he's been wonderful to us for years.
	The second person that I absolutely have to say thank you to is actually Eric Davis and Hal and Dr. Bob Wood for standing by me all these years with my research.
	They've mentored me.
	John Schuessler has been a teacher and a mentor and they've just been decent to me in ways that I can't even begin to describe.
	They've put up with me when they never needed to.
	Well, you need good friends to be in this business, for sure, Bill.
	West of the Rockies, you're on air with Bill McDonald.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	Hi, Bill.
	I had kind of a weird thought, I guess.
	You were talking earlier about the degraded DNA, and what if the aliens are actually saved from the future, and maybe they're coming back to replace the lost DNA?
	Thank God you brought that up, and I'll tell you why.
	As you know, there is this controversy right now about Dan Burrish and the stories that he is telling regarding aliens from the future that are actually a variant of the human species.
	Well, here's the interesting thing.
	Dan Burrish by himself doesn't have a leg to stand on as a witness.
	No detective could trust him.
	But here's the situation.
	Years ago, in the late 70s and early 80s, Linda Moulton Howe had a witness from 1961, a CIA guy named Cooper or Cuper, and this guy described spaceships similar to my Roswell bat-winged aerospace skiff with hexagonal power tiles on the belly and J-Rod aliens.
	And then, in 1993, Bill Youhouse came forward and told his entire story to me and Glenn Campbell in Rachel, Nevada.
	And he told his story for years, up to the time he disappeared.
	And then Dan Burriss showed up, like last year or the year before, talking to Bill Hamilton and then to Linda Howe.
	Do you think that Linda Howe's trust in the Burriss story is misplaced?
	Well, let me tell you what Howe put off and I noticed.
	In all three cases, whether it was Cooper, or Youhouse, or Burish, they said several things that were identical.
	One, that these aliens were time travelers from the future, and that they were a future version of us.
	Two, that they suffered from a neuropathy, a neurological degenerative disease that was caused by time traveling while directly interfaced With the flight control system of their space-time-dimensional craft.
	And that they wore clothes, and that they had, you know, divination of the sexes.
	Now, in all of these cases, the descriptions of the J-Rods are the same, but the thing that caught Hal and me was the interface thing.
	Where the J-Rod, who is a biological entity, is interfaced with the flight control system of the spacecraft, which travels through time as a byproduct of jump into hyperspace.
	And that the neurological degenerative disease, that they call a neuropathy, is the price these aliens pay for time traveling while interfaced to the flight control systems of their ships.
	And that is the thing that grabbed us by the short hairs was, you know, the way in which these stories dovetail.
	This Cooper guy, he doesn't have a leg to stand on by himself.
	Bill Youhouse, a sweet old man with a wife who was suffering horribly, and he didn't have a leg to stand on by himself.
	But you're saying collectively.
	Collectively, the stories are the same.
	But I don't see how these guys knew each other or got each other's stories.
	So until I can find proof that these guys coordinated their stories in some way, we have to take a second look.
	It's just like we have to take a second look at Frank Kaufman, because he's describing the same spacecraft that the Skunk Works CEOs are describing, even though it's years apart.
	All right.
	Not much time.
	International Line, you're on the air with Bill McDonald.
	Hello.
	International?
	Yes.
	I'm in Peru.
	Oh, well, see, you're not supposed to call.
	I'm afraid you called the wrong number, sir.
	Thank you very much.
	And I love prompt calls, but not international indeed.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Bill McDonald.
	I got two quick questions right now.
	My mom has been abducted by aliens a few times, but there's a couple of things I wanted to ask.
	Go ahead and ask.
	Where would they have the implants put in and how would they be able to be detected?
	Okay, those are both good questions.
	Where are implants typically?
	Implants are usually located up in the brain or the nasal cavities or inside the skull behind the ear and others are found near the shin bones or the wrist bones in legs and arms.
	They seem to be tagging devices of some kind that may identify people's family lineage DNA wise and may also delineate their location at any given moment.
	Is there any recommended way of getting rid of them?
	Well, you've seen what happened when Dr. Roger Lears tried cutting some of them out.
	Yes.
	They surround themselves with a keratin type substance which makes it so that The immune system doesn't attack them or the area that they're located in.
	They migrate and they're extremely hard to cut out and you end up causing a lot of extra trauma to the surrounding tissue.
	If you had one, Bill, would you attempt to get it cut out or let it be?
	I would want it cut out simply so that I could put it under the microscope and study it.
	I wouldn't care what collateral damage happened.
	Really?
	Really.
	You are certainly a passionate man about all of this, aren't you?
	I'm an investigator.
	I'm an artist.
	And I am a researcher.
	And I am a slave to detective methodology.
	And you're very passionate.
	Very passionate.
	One can hear it in your voice.
	Troubled as it may be by the curse.
	Well, between alienufoart.com and our children and our little grandchildren, We're very busy people, but we have a reason to live.
	You won't find any suicides in the McDonald family.
	Gotcha.
	All right.
	Listen, Bill, I want to thank you for being here tonight.
	You're, as always, a wonderful guest.
	And next time you're on, and there will be a next time, we'll hope the curse does not follow.
	Well, Art, it's always an honor and a pleasure to be on with you.
	And I want you to know that I am available to look into anything or to draw anything that you're investigating or that George wants investigated.
	All right, well, that's a hell of an offer.
	Thank you and good night, Bill.
	All right, everybody, that's it.
	The weekend goes that quickly.
	Here's Crystal with just the right words.
	Good night.
	Midnight in the desert Shooting stars across the sky This magical journey Will take us on a ride Filled with a longing Searching for the truth Will we make it to tomorrow?
	Will the stars shine on you?

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