Zeph Daniel, a guest on Coast to Coast AM, recounts childhood satanic ritual abuse and mind control, detailing soul extraction via trauma—victims either comply or face "satanic sacrifices." He claims powerful Satanists operate through hidden networks, not literal hell, and describes a 1990/1992 vision of a moon-based "crystal city" linked to abductions, though NASA’s lunar experiments remain unexplained. Zeph warns against the "tunnel of light" in near-death experiences, emphasizing free will over divine inevitability, while his wife and callers share corroborating visions of interdimensional beings and spiritual warfare. His accounts—from Dulce Base soul liberation to purgatorial Sheol—suggest a shadowy, occult-driven system manipulating souls across timelines, challenging traditional religious and scientific frameworks. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening.
Good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's prolific time zones, every single one of them covered by this program, Coast to Coast A.M. I'm Mark Bell and this would be the weekend version starting again with sad news.
Matt Drudge, many of you will not have heard this, it's only moments old.
Matt Drudge is reporting that Christopher Reeve is dead.
Very sad.
Superman, they've got a picture up there of Superman.
Christopher Reeve dead.
Details unknown.
The family will release details apparently on Monday at the earliest, but that's the late word.
And I suppose we could have some small amount of hope that it might not be true.
But Matt Drudge reporting on his site that Christopher Reeve is dead.
Matt Drudge is good.
You know, Matt really is good at what he does on the net.
And then there is my webcam photo.
Now, we were having some pretty wicked thunderstorms this afternoon here in the desert.
And as you know, I have many, you know, many towers up.
But I have one particularly large one directly behind my house that rises 100 feet into the air.
And it's about 3,000 pounds of steel, you know.
And I have antennas on top of that.
And this afternoon, Ramona came and said, hey, you better come out and take a look at this.
And here was a tornado beginning to form in the sky.
A tornado.
And, you know, we're in Nevada, right?
And it was definite circulation.
So actually, I said, oh, darn.
Oh, you know, a variation of that.
And ran inside, and I got my camera.
I thought, well, if it's going to touch down, it didn't, thankfully.
Thank God.
If it's going to touch down, I might as well get a picture of what did it.
So I ran out, got a camera, and there, there is a picture that would strike, I mean, the pucker factor for an amateur radio operator with a tower like this over his house is real high, 8, 9, 9.5.
So that was taken several hours ago, and it was a real, real high pucker factor.
So you might want to take a look at that.
You just go to the website, coastocoastaam.com, and it's in the upper left-hand corner.
And if you look carefully, you can pick out the circulation without any trouble at all.
I ought to send that to the local newspaper.
You don't get a lot of tornadoes here in Nevada, but there you are.
It's a big welcome to Iraq for Donald Rumsfeld.
The United States may be able to reduce its troop levels in Iraq after the January elections if security is strengthened, it says, and the Iraqi government forces continue to expand and improve.
But while our Defense Secretary was there, a lot of things blew up.
Cars blew up, 11 people dead, including an American soldier.
So I don't know.
You know, you hear differing reports coming from Iraq.
There's some good news, and there has been a little bit of good news lately, but the bad news seems to be continuing.
The Senate late Sunday received a dispute, resolved one actually, delaying passage of a sweeping corporate tax bill and two spending bills for disaster relief and homeland security.
Call it the law of unintended consequences, perhaps.
A new national backup system meant to ensure that millions of eligible voters are not mistakenly somehow turned away from the polls this year could end up, they say, becoming as infamous as Florida's hanging Chad's.
Congress, boys, news you want just before the election, right?
Congress required conditional or provisional voting as part of election fixes passed in 2002 for the first time.
All states must offer a backup ballot to any voter whose name somehow doesn't appear on the rolls when the voter comes to the polling place November 2nd.
That'll be handy for the illegal aliens.
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If the voter is later found eligible, then the vote counts.
Mount St. Helens, I have a lot of friends I talk to up there.
I've been trying to urge them to quickly send their radio equipment to me while it can still be saved.
Anyway, Mount St. Helens vented a new column of steam Sunday, a lazy plume that arose out of the crater of the snow-dusted volcano.
The billow of steam rose from an area where a large upswelling bulge of rock, rock bulging is always bad, has been growing on the dome-shaped formation of rock in the crater.
The plume rose several hundred feet above the 8,364-foot volcano.
It lost about 1,000 feet in the last eruption.
And light winds slowly blew the whole thing toward the south and the southeast.
in a moment some of the other news that otherwise uh...
Now, as you know, over the years, I have spoken to you ever so many times about our atmosphere and our weather and the fact that what's going on could change just like that.
Now, a lot of scientists, of course, don't believe that, and they don't think that very large storms the size of a, for example, a global superstorm, what we would call that, could even occur.
There's not enough energy for it, and things are just happening at a predictable rate.
Here, this just in from Where Else, The Independent in London.
You wouldn't see this printed here.
If you do, it'll be an amazement to me.
The headline is, surprise CO2 rise may speed up global warming.
Listen to this.
The rate at which global warming gases are accumulated in the atmosphere has taken a sharp leap upwards, leading fears and generating fears and continuing them, that the devastating effects of climate change may hit the world even sooner than has been predicted.
Atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide, the principal greenhouse gas, have made a sudden jump that just cannot be explained by any corresponding jump in terrestrial emissions of CO2 from power stations, motor vehicles, and so forth, because there has been none.
Some scientists think that instead that the abrupt speedup just might be evidence of the long-feared climate change feedback mechanism by which global warming causes alterations to the Earth's natural systems and then in turn causes the warming to increase even more rapidly than before.
Runaway.
Feedback.
Such a development would mean the worldwide droughts, agricultural failures, sea level rise, increased weather turbulence, and flooding, all predicted as consequences of climate change, would arrive on a much shorter time scale than present scenarios might suggest, and the world would have much less time to coordinate its response.
Oh, I'm so shocked.
Only last month, Tony Blair expressed anxiety that global warning's dire effects would arrive not just in his children's lifetime, because you can write that one off easily, right?
Say poor kids, and then not think much more about it, but rather in his own and would radically alter human existence.
The feedback phenomena already has been predicted in the supercomputer models of the global climate on which the current forecasts of warming are based.
Now, a key aspect is the weakening caused by the warming itself of the Earth's ability to remove huge amounts of CO2 from the atmosphere by absorbing it annually in its forests and oceans in the so-called carbon cycle.
The forests and oceans are referred to as carbon sinks.
In other words, a sink.
They absorb carbon.
Hitherto, however, that weakening has been put decades into the future.
Well, guess what?
The possibility that it may actually be occurring now is suggested in the long-run atmospheric CO2 measurements that have been made since 1958 at the observatory on the top of Mauna Loa at 11,000 feet in Hawaii by American physicist Charles Keeling from the University of California San Diego.
When he began, he was finding about 315 parts per million.
Today, after the remorseless increase in emissions from power stations and motor vehicles over the past four and a half decades, the figure stands at 376 parts per million.
The growth is what scientists believe is causing the Earth's atmosphere to warm up as the increasing CO2 retains more and more of the sun's heat.
And in the atmosphere, it's kind of like, I don't know, panes of a greenhouse.
And so you can see, well, anyway, but the worry now is not merely the swelling volume of CO2, but the sudden leap in its rate of increase across all 46 years of his measurements.
The average annual CO2 rise has been about 1.3 parts per million, although in recent decades it's jumped to about 1.6 parts per million.
You may recall on last night's program, Dr. Doom talked about an African encounter in which about 60 children encountered,
well, they had a close encounter definitely of the third kind, a creature, several craft, and I've got any number of stories about it here, detailed stories about this occurrence in Africa.
And so everything he said is absolutely correct.
And again, remember, this is at least a couple of dozen children that were interviewed by Dr. Mack.
And according to Ed, the tapes, the interviews with the children were very specific with regard to the message that the being delivered to them.
And it was in part that the earth is dying.
And so that one bristles the back of my neck a little bit, to be honest with you.
It really does.
That many dynamics.
I mean, for one thing, it's children.
For another thing, it involves many of them.
For a third thing, they all drew what they saw, the craft and all the rest of it.
And then for another, in the interviews, they all related the same message sent to them telepathically by that creature.
That in part, the earth is dying.
So it's hard to reject, you know, just out of hand, reject that kind of evidence in my mind.
Oh, here's a nice one.
Killer flu resurrected in the lab.
Well, you knew they were going to try to do it, right?
Apparently, they have had success.
Scientists have shown That just tiny changes to modern flu viruses could render them every bit as deadly as the 1918 strain, which killed millions of people across the globe.
Oh, wonderful.
A U.S. team added just two little genes from a sample of the 1918 virus to a modern strain known to have no effect on mice.
But now, animals exposed to the composite were dying within days of symptoms similar to those found in the humans back in 1918.
It's all published in the very prestigious journal Nature, if you want to read it.
It was all, it says, all these tests were carried out under the tightest security.
Experts focused on just two genes thought to play a key role in the infection process.
One controls the production of a spike-like molecule called HA, believed to be used by flu viruses to attach themselves to the cells that they're about to infect.
Previous research published earlier this year in the Journal Science identified the HA gene as being the crucial element which made the 1918 virus so deadly, and the latest work would appear to confirm this.
So in other words, in lab, they've taken the latest flu virus, whatever that happens to be, and HA'ded around a little bit.
And now they've got something every bit as deadly as the 1918 virus.
Lucky us.
Keep it in the lab, guys.
Then, of course, you know, there's a whole lot of worry right now that the bird flu and the standard human virus are going to get together somewhere probably in China and spread like wildfire.
Not saying it's happened, but there's so much talk of it.
It's almost like it's like the anthrax thing or some of the other talk.
There's so much and then it happens.
Scientists now also fear that seals, dolphins, otters, birds, falcons, even honeybees are headed toward a unisex existence that would lead for them, obviously, to extinction.
Mother Nature is taking over.
An extraordinary feminization process has begun to affect Britain's wildlife.
Now, listen to me.
These are stories that you want to pay attention to when I read them.
You really do, because you're not going to hear them elsewhere.
Scientists warn it could ultimately dismantle the evolutionary process that has existed for 3.5 billion years.
A trend first noticed in whelks is beginning to spread rapidly among other wildlife species in the food chain.
The first national survey of 42 rivers by the UK Environment Agency has just been completed, and guess what it found?
A third of male fish are growing female reproductive tissues and organs.
Effects were most pronounced in the younger ones, raising obvious grave implications for future stocks.
Quite a few species now are affected, seals, dolphins, birds, falcons, honeybees, all headed toward a unisex existence.
Well, it would be a very short existence indeed, right?
And why do they think this might be happening?
Well, chemicals found in plastics, food packaging, shampoos, pesticides, all have accumulated in the environment, and they're turning the males into females.
So this environment thing, if you do the right reading in the right places, and England has been really good about getting things out that are not ballyhooed here at all, we don't air this kind of stuff except on this program.
If you begin to put it all together, I mean, there's some pretty obvious directions that we're headed in.
In fact, that might be a good reason for you to call tonight.
What do you think is going on?
We're going to go to open lines here.
Oh, top of the hour.
Top of the hour.
Zeph Daniel's going to be here, and it's going to be a strange program.
Zeph Daniel was a victim of satanic ritual abuse and mind control as a child, and he believes, and abduction, he thinks that he's on to why the abductions are occurring and what it's all about.
And so it's going to be an interesting, a very interesting interview, I suspect, Zeph Daniel, tonight.
This was a very interesting email I got from one of you out there.
Hey, Art, I'm listening to your show on the stream link right now.
Oh, by the way, that reminds me I didn't bring it in here.
But, you know, every now and then, HBO and Showtime and all of those services, they have, you know, free weekends, right?
So you can get a sample of what they've got, and they put all their best movies forward.
Your best foot, right?
On that weekend, and then they hope you order.
Well, we're going to do something like that on Streamlink.
Streamlink is the service that allows you to download programs, listen to programs.
It's pretty cool.
And I'm being handed something here.
Yeah, okay, here it is.
I knew what it was anyway.
This is Ramona handed me the Streamlink announcement.
So I'm not going to go through all this.
It's free next weekend.
We're doing a free Streamlink weekend.
So it'll give you a chance, if you wish, to sample all the goodies that those who do pay for Streamlink get.
It amounts to about, I don't know, 15 cents a day or something.
It's not much.
Anyway, this gentleman was listening on Streamlink, and he writes, I'm compelled to let you know the results from some experiments I did.
You remember the show we did about plants?
Well, he says, So I sent love to one plant, and I sent hate to the other.
I had taken two healthy starch from the same plant, put them in water in my kitchen window every time I went to the sink, I sent a nice, loving, encouraging thought to one plant on the left, and a hateful, discouraging, death thought to the right one.
Within two weeks, the plant on the right was deader than a doornail, and the one on the left, it was flourishing.
I frankly thought the whole thing was pretty profound.
What do you think, Terry?
Well, Terry, I think it is profound, and I think it's real, and I think that the guests that we've had on the program on this particular subject are dead on.
I mean, there's a lot about plants and animals that we don't understand.
We don't know about it.
We just don't know.
So, you know, there's a lot about our minds we don't know.
And obviously, your mind has the ability to communicate in some manner with a plant, some way that we don't understand, may never understand in my lifetime.
It's quantum.
It's at the quantum level, certainly.
But I don't know, give it a try yourself if you want to risk killing one of your plants to prove it to yourself.
I can see you line back in seven minutes of you to access the audio archives of Coast to Coast AM, log on to CoastToCoastAM.com.
We've been looking at the fire start to burn.
Thank you.
The warnings on them beer can't be buried in them landfills.
No deposits, no set stones, and no return.
Yeah, it's only gonna take about a minute or so to go factory blocks.
You gonna have to turn your lights on just to see.
The lights gonna be made on play.
Fire just paradise.
the whole damn world's gonna be made of styrene so listen to my brothers when you hear the nightman's sigh and you see the waters flying through the great polluted sky there won't be no country music there won't be no rock and roll cause when they take away our country they'll take away our soul All right, everybody, listen very carefully.
really warm water and excess temperature than mother nature attempts to take that and convert it to a cooler temperature with violence lots of violence like really big hurricanes like hurricanes the size of Tornadoes.
Violent weather of all sorts.
Yeah, take a look at my webcam.
That's pretty weird stuff.
I mean, tornadoes in Nevada.
It gave me...
It was obviously a circulation, but it was airborne.
It never came down to the ground, but it could have.
I remember just recently there was a story, I believe it was UPI or whatever, George read it, talking about in India, a fella had raised peacocks, and he had a peahen, his prized peahen.
Yeah, and so there are mutations, but I think the problem is that, yes, there are too many female hormones, I mean the cattle and the milk, for milk production.
They drink the milk, well, it carries the hormones, the injection of the cattle, to increase milk production.
I mean, if you get nothing but the female of any species, and when you're talking, what are they talking about here?
Let's read this again a little bit.
Seals, dolphins, otters, other birds, falcons, honeybees, they're all beginning to turn into females.
And that, of course, as soon as one generation of that happens, it's over, baby.
It's over.
And if it's happening this high in the food chain, in the mammal chain, you know, we're not that far above some of these, particularly dolphins, right?
We're not that far above.
So at what point does the world begin to pay attention to these things?
CO2, they're talking about the runaway switch has already been thrown.
Mammals pretty high on the chain turning into all females.
I mean, you know, this is getting to be, it seems to me, pretty serious stuff.
I'm not reading you science fiction now.
I'll tell you when I'm doing that.
We do plenty of that on this program.
But I'll also tell you when I'm reading legit articles, you know, from Great Britain.
These are all warning bells going off, you know?
Big, serious, loud warning bells going off.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
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Hello.
Yeah, I was wondering about remote viewing.
They were talking about it, but Ed Dames never really gave a real clear definition of what about remote viewing.
If you listen very carefully last night, Ed Dames told you that he understands the mechanics of it.
He understands the discipline of remote viewing, how to implement it, how to do it successfully, and now even he may have made a leap forward in being able to get it right down to GPS coordinates.
But he also said very clearly, sir, he doesn't even have a clue what medium he's going through or how he's doing what he's doing.
He admitted that.
unidentified
Right.
So he just said these things just kind of come to him, in other words, and he tries to understand it.
Sir, that was back during the time when early in the evening in the network program, I used to maintain a fax machine here and give my fax number out on the air.
I had tens of thousands of faxes.
I had this machine called a Grestentner, which finally, just sort of like an old beat up something or another, it expired.
I mean, it had spit out one too many faxes and it went Okay.
I'm sorry that should have, of course, stuck out in my mind, but I do get a lot of things, you know, like that, and I would not necessarily have said, my God, we better save this skyscraper.
Tens of, hundreds of thousands of faxes.
Finally, the computer came along, an email, thank God.
And speaking of that, if you would like to get hold of me, there are two ways to do it.
I am Art Bell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, at mindspring.com.
Artbell at mindspring.com or artbell at aol.com.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
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Hi.
Hey, Miss Bell.
Yes.
Yeah, it's called about that femaleization of the genes and the hormones.
And I heard a speech by her years and years ago, and it's a little bit wacky, but she had her audience envision putting birth control in the world's waters and everybody just having a nice life and enjoying everything.
How would you feel if the world were filled with nothing but your sisters?
unidentified
Well, I think that would be really sad.
But I do think that the world should be led shoulder to shoulder with men and women in equal representation, and then we would get a bifocal perspective on things, which is what we really need.
Well, the real bad news, ma'am, is that the carbon dioxide hurry-up switch may have just have been thrown, according to the story, and now it's increasing exponentially.
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They've just dug a big old garbage kit across the road from me.
They exhumed a whole pile of garbage and pulled it up and piled it up in big piles.
Yeah.
And dug a great big hole, and they're hauling in fill daily, and they're digging all around, and they've got a great big huge development going on in the adjoining property.
Yeah.
And it's...
Well, I think they might have dug up something they didn't want to dig up.
I mean, you know, some of this stuff that they've piled up over there, they're supposed to put a cap on it, but by the time they get around to it, the ground around here will be frozen.
And well, there's many things to this story, Mr. Bell.
I'm sure you'd love to hear it, and so would your listeners.
Actually, I wanted to ask you a question about hooking up live on the Internet.
Do you think that would be a good idea?
Do you think I'd be sacrificing too much of my privacy, which has already been totally sacrificed?
give me an idea of what you mean by hooking up live on the internet you mean more putting on like a
Well, why don't you just put a webcam out there on the corner of your house, point in that way with a zoom lens, and put it up on the net would there be any way of finding out how far down this might have sunk?
unidentified
Because I'm thinking perhaps that's what they're doing over there.
Thank you very much for the call, and good luck in your new life.
We'll have a guest, Zeph Daniel, coming up right after the news break at the top of the hour from the high desert in the middle of the night, which is where we do our very best work.
You're listening to Coast to Coast AM.
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Everybody is looking for something, something wanting to do.
I've had a lot of requests from people who want to hear Art Bell.
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There was enough people burning.
We were gonna go on our way, and we never had a doubt.
We were born in the night, waiting in the shadows.
We were born in the night, till the morning light.
We were born in the night.
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Sadly, at this hour, USA Radio Network seemingly confirming Christopher Reeves' death, something about a heart attack details to follow.
In a moment, Zeph Daniel will be here at a very early age.
Zeph Daniel became a failed victim of satanic ritual abuse and mind control.
Later, he became involved in writing for film and television in the horror field.
I wonder if that's a natural.
He claims these were attempts to find out what happened, who he was, what went wrong.
It took 25 years for the total defeat of the old Zeph, the death of that fragment of tortured humanity, and his resurrection in the spirit of God, Zeph, is controversial because he is critical of organized religion.
As for the human soul, which is what this farm called Earth is all about, he says, it is a commodity bought and sold in an intergalactic market like oil.
I hope our stock is rising.
The spirit of a person can be scalped and held in various high-tech devices.
They're boxes.
And those are sold.
All that tunnel of white light mythology and NDE experiences is simply high-tech scalping, says he.
I think what really saddens me about the death of Christopher Reeve is for other men in his circumstance, maybe it'd be all right.
You know, because it'd be such a relief from the very low quality of life that he, I'm sure, was leading.
But what makes it so sad in the case of Christopher Reed is he had such a lust for life.
You know, he really wanted to be around for that big miracle cure that actually a lot of people have been talking about lately, the stem cell research, right?
And he just so wanted to hang on that that makes it particularly sad.
A lot of people in his position would have some time ago have given up and would not have lasted as long as he did.
But he had such a zest for life, so I don't know, that makes it tough.
All right, here comes Zeph Daniel.
And in all the years that I've been reading these intros that are written up for people that are going to be guests on the show, this one contains, just, I mean, this is some wild stuff.
And in the case of it's kind of ugly in a sense, but basically it goes like this.
The idea is to break a person down even as a child and to get the soul to dislodge from the vessel, that is, to dissociate, and to then be indwelt with as powerful a demon as can be as possible,
so that that person then grows up with the ability, with lots of power and the ability to wield power within the satanic system, let's say.
Zeph, I interviewed a young lady on my program once who was a Satanist, and she told me that her one big goal was to make absolutely certain that her very young son went straight to hell with her.
Actually, you know, most of the ones that I know, and I do know, and I have to say this, I've gotten beyond the idea of hating people that have hurt me and all that.
And I'm looking at it as the human condition, you know, the spiritual battle.
And I've never met anyone who, a Satanist, who actually believed they were going to hell.
They somehow believed they were going to rise above it.
They were going to make a change at some point in their life, that God would eventually forgive them.
They don't believe that.
And Most of the ones that I know are avid churchgoers.
I mean, if you're worshiping Satan, and that's the right word, worship, then God would be the antithesis of what you believed was true and right and powerful.
And also, another aspect of it, is to do good works to offset the negative.
And they believe that by doing that...
It's the spiritual mafia.
And, you know, but the idea is, again, to get the soul to dislodge.
In other words, to traumatize a child or traumatize a victim or a target to the point where they will give up, their spirit will give up, and they'll be able to be indwelt with whatever the family spirit is, whatever the group spirit is, because Satanists work in groups.
And that's the idea.
The more powerful an entity one is indwelt by, the better they're going to do in life.
That's what they think.
So what happens to people that refuse or fight back?
I mean, can you tell me definitively that there are not a lot of Satanists who are rich, powerful, and some names we'd recognize, you know, that there are not people out there gaining from Satan now?
I've been in trouble in terms of actually one person who works as an assassin told me, as long as you keep talking and writing and publishing, you know, you probably will be all right.
My life was in danger when my programming, and I will go into that in a second about what was my programming, what is mind control, how that's a part of it.
Well, as a in the work I've done in ministry, I've, you know, obviously been there with confessions with people who have killed, you know, who have assassinated a lot of people.
And usually it's made to look like a missing person or an auto rack or something like that.
Because of seeing the involvement of people that have been duplicitist, let's say, in, you know, for example, Satanists in the church behaving as if they're worshiping God and really they're, I don't know what they're doing there.
But they are very much involved in the organization and it's a battle.
I don't have anything against people going to church, really.
That's not it.
It's looking for God in church rather than being on that quest for God in your life, you know, 24-7.
And going to church or going to the library, going to a university or anything like that, I have no problem with that.
Let's just say that I, yeah, and I've been hurt in those environments, and I've seen other people hurt in that same way, and I'm like, why is this going on here?
This should be a place of worship, a place of a sanctuary, a safe place, a good place.
I feel a lot of compassion for people who've gone to that side, and I understand it perfectly.
At the same time, a lot of people, once they're in and they want to get out, they're afraid.
I remember praying with one young man and he was afraid to pray because they would hear him.
And I said, how can they hear you if it's just you and me praying for you to get free of this bondage And to walk out of that Satanism and just accept God and go that straight and narrow and just stay on that path, why so afraid to pray?
Pay later, and you do pay with, you know, your soul.
But the thing is, is for everyone that has all those things, there are many who are poor and are wanting to, and they're waiting, and they're doing favors for the group, for the coven, for however they're affiliated with Satan.
But beyond that, it's, in a way, ignorance, because most of the people that I know that are there, they yearn to be out of it, but they don't know how to get out of it.
And you get a society going that direction, and it's not hard to figure out if everyone could get in that and get the money and grab onto this life while this life is going on, they would do it if they don't value their soul.
Well, you know, I was about to ask you that in the form of a more difficult question, and that is, if I were to ask you to do your very best to convince me that there's a soul, that we really have a soul, how would you do it?
Well, what I would say is this, in your quietest moments, when you have thoughts that are not timed, in other words, not geared to this temporal life, for example, the idea of love, the idea of looking at nature and seeing its beauty, the idea of listening to your own inner thoughts.
Well, I think the soul is conscious, and I think the ego battles the soul or tries to put it into bondage so that you think the ego, your I, is, you know, this life, the flesh, your desires, is who you are.
But I like to say this, you are a soul.
What is the soul?
The soul is you without the ego.
And who is that person?
A lot of people don't know that person.
Hence, they don't value that.
They value the ego.
The ego is the one that decides to grab on to, even though this life is fleeting, to grab on to it.
But in Satanism, you have to remember, it is a conscious decision to give that soul up.
People do know they're going to give something up.
And then I was, after that, they locked me away for seven years.
And during that time, they convinced me that nothing ever happened, that I did it to myself, and that they didn't do it to me, and that I had, you know, that there are four fingers and not three.
Well, it was back in the late 1800s or the early 1900s.
I don't recall the details now, but I had the wire service story.
Came out of the medical journals, too.
A doctor did very carefully controlled experiments back before the PC days when you couldn't do this kind of thing.
And he put things that were dying on a scale, a very, very, very accurate scale.
And this doctor measured the exit of the soul and actually was able to detect the weight of a human soul at about three-quarters of an ounce, leaving the human body at the moment of death.
That's a real story, folks.
And somewhere I've got it, and I'll dig it out and get it on the website if I can.
But that's what we're talking about tonight.
In the end, we're talking about the soul.
The human soul.
I'm Mark Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
Stay right where you are.
Zef Daniel will be right back.
You know, before you get all out of control and say, oh, no, you know, they're measuring body gases or liquids or something like that, forget it.
All of that was taken into account in this scientific study.
Now, of course you can't do that in the modern day.
I think that I think it's valid, and I believe the soul is a thing.
And I believe that the soul, every soul, wants to emancipate to eternity, to where there is no death, to where there is no strife, to where there is peace.
And the flesh, it seems, or the battle that we face is that to make things work like that in this life, to find peace, to find love, to find happiness, the flesh and the ego have to keep the soul in bondage in a way, you know, from emancipating in the spirit.
That's something that I had seen in the spirit and that I was shown in that early time after the overdose situation.
This is going to sound really crazy, you know, and it's not.
The story doesn't change.
It seemed that this facility, and I won't even call it like a psychiatric hospital.
I don't know what exactly it was a hospital of some sort.
But it seemed that what they were doing to the kids, most of the people there were, I was at that time 17 years old.
And most of the people there were around my age, a little younger, maybe just slightly older.
And what seemed to be happening to some of them, not all, but some of them, is that their souls, I don't know how this happened, but they were somehow extracted and they had a whole different personality within seemingly overnight, but they weren't the same person.
It was like their soul, whoever they were, their essence, their you-ness, if you will, was taken out.
See, well, because I'd seen this over and over again, and not all of them were drugged.
I mean, this is like literally taking one person out of his body and switching it with something that was something else.
And that something else was a little bit more robotic, totally cooperative, and then released into the care of their parents or to the society or whatnot.
And some of these people have gone on to do very well.
But I understood that to be something, some kind of alien, if you will, device.
And one more thing, and this is going to make me sound even more crazy, but I'm just going to lay it out as best I can.
the people there some of them in my view some of them were not human okay they were they were going they had And they were the ones orchestrating this.
Well, I think that I can explain why, in some cases, when people want to get free of the abduction syndrome, because they say, well, I didn't give permission to this.
The answer has to do with the soul, with a person that what is in their soul that is blocking them from God.
There is like an occlusion.
And that is something that a person can remove.
In other words, you don't need to open your heart to the Lord.
You need to be broken down by the Lord to be built back up the way he wants.
And this abduction and other demonic oppression sometimes will stay with a person, even though they keep praying and going through deliverance after deliverance.
Well, I guess I want to understand how literal you intend to fling the word alien.
Do you really mean alien as an alien life form from another planet, or do you mean alien as in something projected which is really either a demonic or otherwise?
I believe it's a mix, and I believe it's very complex.
And in some cases, it is purely demonic, and in other cases, there are vessels that are real.
Go back to the book of Enoch, and you probably are familiar with that, where the watchers, they call them the fallen angels, asked Enoch to talk to God on their behalf to see if they could get back in the good graces.
I'm just paraphrasing.
And the answer was strange.
The answer was, do not pray for the watchers.
Pray for men.
And so they were put off.
There was no definitive answer given to them.
What I took from that was that, well, they're going to have their vessels.
They're going to create what they're going to create.
Listen, Zeph, I've got to ask what's going to probably seem like a rude question, but when you're talking about incredible things, and we are talking about incredible things here, it requires some understanding.
And in my position, I've got to ask this question.
I mean, you were admittedly involved in satanic ritual abuse as a youngster.
You alluded to the fact that you were in some kind of facility, I guess a psychiatric facility, or I'm just guessing, but it was that, right?
So it's an obvious question.
How can you be sure, Zeth, that everything you're telling me right now that you experienced, you know, I can feel it, I can hear it in your voice, that you understand, you believe it.
But I mean, it's an obvious question.
If you were in a psychiatric facility, how do you know that you weren't delusional?
How do you know that you weren't observing in a delusional state other people that were in a delusional state getting medicated and so forth and so on, explaining a lot of what you've got here?
Yeah, I'm not delusional, but definitely mind-controlled in the sense that there were certain, quote, doctors, unquote, on my case, which made me believe that nothing like any of these things that I've said tonight had ever occurred.
All right, to get out of this facility, Zeph, I assume that you had to finally agree with them that everything you had experienced was delusional and I'm better now.
But I not only agreed with them, Art, I really, really believed that I was mistaken.
In fact, the memory was even gone.
I had no real memory of the trauma, the things that I had seen.
There were people that had been killed and all kinds of things.
And I had no, I could not believe that that could be true.
It just went against everything in my soul.
Everything that I...
Well, later on in my life, the programming obviously fell apart.
And at that time, there were a bunch of people that were coming around, again, assigned to me to put the programming back.
And they don't really care much if you feel suicidal or go to the doctor or tell them you need medication.
They don't mind that.
What they mind is that the truth would come out and that you would be conscious of the system around you, the society, of the people around you, and what they were all about.
And as I said, I think they use people like us, those who have, I guess, are not them.
They use us for certain spiritual things.
It's the only reason I can't think of another reason I'd be alive right now.
Well, what happened is I had, I guess what you would call in the, you know, just a few years ago, like a total breakdown of everything.
Everything flooded back.
All the memories flooded back.
I suddenly looked around and I saw people and I understood that they were assigned to me and I understood this whole thing was so bizarre.
And I cried out to God then.
That's how that began.
And I just said, look, I'm too.
I know they want me to kill myself.
And I know they're going to kill me.
And I'm beyond even caring anymore.
But God, if you're there, help me.
And I felt that the present within me, you know, speaking to me, talking to me, and saying that I am your father, I'll never leave you nor forsake you.
And you have been hurt.
And he began to fill in all the blanks, and I would catch the information with the people that were in the know, and it was all true.
Well, it would be in the year 2000 when the in 1990 it broke and then I was kind of put back together and then in 2000 it finally completely collapsed.
The idea that the world was the way I thought it was and that the society I was born into is the way I thought it was and the people around me were the way I thought they were and they weren't assigned to it.
You know, later I find out I'm like, everyone around me is assigned to me and I'm like, what is this?
I mean, with the history you just laid on us, ritual, satanic abuse, years in a psychiatric facility, it's obvious I'm going to get messages fast last Santa.
To those people, Zeph, who are saying, you know, you're crazy, you're still crazy, you know, is there any way in your own mind or for us that you can make us understand that what happened to you is real, not a delusion, not craziness?
I mean, for a lot of my life, Zeph, I thought that there probably are quite a few people in mental institutions that aren't crazy.
Well, first of all, thank you for being patient with me.
And, you know, through all what might sound pretty out there.
And if people want to know more about me, the fast blasters out there that are saying crazy and all that, if they want to indulge themselves, they can go to Zephnet.com.
And there there's over 2,000 writings, I think something like that, 1,000 at least, maybe 1,500.
I began these writings in the year 2002 in March.
And it was my spiritual journey, healing journey, if you will.
And they can follow that and look through the archives.
There's about 100 and some odd hours of audio there.
There's interviews I've conducted with others.
They can look at all that and try to figure out if I'm crazy or not.
They can get the book Lamb from Amazon.com, and there's a link on our links page.
And they can see people who are mind-controlled that did military ops, people who are mind-controlled that they tried to mind control and it didn't work, who have fought back in the spirit.
They can see the earth changes and things that we predict are going to be happening, which indeed are beginning to happen now.
Okay, but in this place, that social worker later on, when we were just both two sovereign individuals talking to each other, he said he felt very guilty of the part he played in my life and others.
Because he said he knew we weren't crazy.
He knew he didn't belong there.
He knew why we were there.
He was just, you know, the whole thing was a sham.
In other words, he was covering for the Satanists.
And that's why he kept telling me over and over, and they kept pounding me to repeat this story that there was no such thing as anything I had ever seen.
Well, there's been a lot of things similar to that and also positive things that I don't think I consciously sat there like, say, you know, like a witch might do and take a voodoo or do a ritual to get something to happen.
I didn't do that.
It was just this quick, I don't know, almost spiritual indignation.
I mean, you know, in that moment, I am interested to know, in that moment when you realized that a lightning bolt was going to hit his house, let me think about this.
Did it just come to you that that was going to happen, or you did admit you were angry?
What I have to say about time and eternity and the soul is the soul is eternal, and reincarnation is too simplistic.
What I've seen regarding the soul and regarding what's possible with incarnations, if you will, it would sound like another bizarre story, but what I've seen is that people actually, souls have the capacity to multiply incarnate.
In other words, you could be in five different time zones at once and be conscious, say, of one.
And some souls go to and fro from eternity and they're here, and then they're also in eternity, if you will.
And they're not conscious of that life in eternity.
They're conscious of being here, but they're also conscious of being eternal.
And they can incarnate anywhere along the timeline.
The timeline, there is no time, so everything that has ever happened or will happen is all concurrent.
And so as souls advance, you know, there are things that are so mind-boggling.
The soul is made in the image and likeness of God himself.
If you just say incarnation and the possibilities of that soul going to and fro from eternity or being in different timelines, like a soul could be, you know, in various incarnations at the same time.
Yes, well, it just, you know, different people look at it different ways.
In the West, we have this idea of reincarnation as being something desirable, you know, like you're going to live on into another life, don't worry about it.
In the East, they want to get out of it.
In other words, the idea of being born over and over to suffer and die, they don't like, you know, how do you get off that wheel of reincarnation?
And yes, and souls are about, the whole point of the soul and the learning and the emancipation of the soul is to learn to get to that point of eternity, to get free of death and suffering and hatred and all those things that bind us, that imprison us.
In other words, somewhere in that person's life, in that person's soul, there must be some kind of a permission, like say for the abduction scenario, you may pray overtly about it and you're still being abducted.
Why is that?
We know so many cases like that, you know, for example, that it's undeniable that people have prayed and not been delivered from that kind of affliction.
It occurs like, for example, you've heard of astral projection.
Astral projection, astral travel.
Well, it's more of an astral experience.
And then some is literal, where there's literal hybridization.
I know people that have been impregnated over And over, and the fetus taken out at three months.
That story that we've heard, I know people that have gone through that and been free of it for a while and then been brought back in.
And let's look at the soul of that person.
Okay, so what is that soul needing?
Why is that happening to that soul?
It seems to me, and this is my opinion, that every soul receives in this life, in any life, what it needs to emancipate.
So, for example, let's say you get a lot of bad treatment in life.
Over and over, the same pattern happens.
You get the same kind of rejection or the same kind of thing that happens.
What is it the soul is needing?
Is it needing for you to break your hatred of something?
Is there something you're holding on to, a resentment that's somehow causing that pattern to occur again and again until you let go, until you forgive, until you love, until you will get beyond that?
That pattern will continue.
Why can't we just pray and have that pattern go away?
Why does it have to repeat?
And I believe it's because the soul needs that to finally break the person of something.
It may not be related exactly to that, say, rejection, in order for that soul to then be released to the next thing, to the next level.
And so therefore, each person is on a different level spiritually.
Each soul is on a different level of learning.
And what has to happen is that person must take responsibility, first of all, for their lives, for what happens to them.
In my case, I've got to take responsibility for being born into an abusive situation, having been hurt.
I can't blame other people.
I must understand at the soul level why I needed it, or my soul needed it for some reason.
Why?
And that's my field of inquiry.
That's what I have to be about in order to get beyond it, to get free, to get healed.
And I was mad and angry that I was being abused like anyone would be.
And, you know, it didn't seem to do any good.
And it just, after, I don't know how many years of similar treatment and, you know, similar things popping up elsewhere with people unrelated to the earlier situation, I'm going, well, now here's a repeating pattern.
Now, am I doing something to bring that about?
Is there something in my behavior that's bringing about a repeating pattern?
If so, then I've got to eradicate it.
Well, it wasn't behavior.
It had something to do with a deep level of forgiveness in the soul, first of all.
Forgiving the parents, let's say, and forgiving God.
Because I found out I harbored a deep, deep hatred of God.
Zeph Daniel is my guest, and on the one hand, it's a crazy story he's telling, right?
But then on the other hand, maybe it's exactly the way it is, and maybe those people who used him realized that he had had an experience that was not just delusional, but had real meaning.
and of course and there was a guy who's lightning and the house got hit by lightning when zeph told them it would the next day and it did the the the
We're about to go to the telephones with Zeph Daniel, who again, whose book, he's written a book called Lamb.
And we're discussing, I guess, the human soul mostly.
And Zeph, I've got a couple things I would like to ask, if you don't mind, before we do that, before we go to the phones, which should be extremely interesting.
NDEs, when a person, you know, I've interviewed many, many people over the years, Zeph, who have had NDEs, and they do all describe just about the same thing, the tunnel, the light, the relatives, the whole Magilla.
It comes so frequently and it's so similar that it's hard not to believe when you get the collective evidence together.
And I've really talked to experts about this, F. I mean, psychologists and people who have done a lot of the hypnosis.
I mean, they've really done serious clinical work and they believe in it.
But what do you think is really happening when a person is experiencing so-called near-death?
Well, the only thing I can tell you about that tunnel of light is that I have been, again, this is in the spirit, for many years, warned, don't go into that light.
Look, all I know is for me personally, it's don't go in there.
And I know other people would succumb.
Now, here's what I think is going on there.
It's the idea of getting, again, permission.
Permission, free will, very important.
Free will and permission.
So getting this sort of permit.
Now, when a soul is taken in that way, say permission is given and that soul goes on a journey through the light and they're going to go somewhere else, let's say.
Let's say they wind up being traded or used in a hybrid or who knows, any number of things.
Or they wind up back on earth or who knows where they're going to go.
I just don't think there's a mistake in that situation.
I think that maybe, you know, the other, wherever that confirmation of what I had seen came from, maybe that's Where their soul track is leading, where mine is.
So we have a confirmation, and perhaps a lot of people won't agree, and they want to go to that light, and they want that love from their relatives.
I mean, wouldn't it be logical that we would want the love and the connection and the spiritual blessing of being connected in an eternal state, in a spiritual state with our lost loved ones, to know that it's not.
Well, anyway, for some of us, we're not going that way.
That's all.
And people are going to make their own decisions.
And I just don't think there's a mistake necessarily.
But if you know the knowledge, if this rings true in your spirit, and then you go against what you know, if this makes sense to you, what I'm saying, to go to the dark in that particular situation, then you violate that and go to the light and suffer.
But when you're talking about, say, being a servant of God and going in the spirit where he takes you, then that's soul travel or spirit travel, traveling in the spirit.
For example, when John traveled through time to view Revelation, let's say when he was writing down the book of Revelation, he traveled in the spirit.
And then he wrote down what he saw in the past tense because he had seen it.
So he traveled.
A good friend of mine traveled to this Dulcie base at the will of the Lord to dislodge the souls.
In other words, to liberate the souls from, he said there were thousands of people kept captive down there.
I think that one of my purpose at this point is to fight this whole thing in the spirit.
And I'm a spiritual warrior, so I fight that particular aspect of human oppression, which is the, and I put in big quotes, the alien situation, because it's quite a mystery.
But in the spirit, it's no mystery.
It's the oppression and enslaving of human Beings, and I'm very against that.
So we fight that anyway.
Prophetically, I'm warning people that if you start having these kinds of dreams, seek God and seek Him in this way.
Don't just say, Oh, please fix this.
I'm having nightmares, you know, or precursors of more horrible things to come.
You know, maybe I've been going the wrong way in life, but Father, could you just carry me along or just show me something?
I'm going to just lay myself open to you.
You know, submit, give up, you know, lay back.
Don't engage your will, but ask in earnest to be helped with this.
No, because for so long in my life I've had these types of dreams that I've been told as a young child, discount them, that's the devil, it's nothing, to worry about it, you're just seeing things.
I mean, it was a complete change for both of our lives because, you know, we'd always known God, but we never really knew him like we did then.
And he's the one that, you know, filled in the blanks and, you know, taught us what was going on.
And, you know, I wanted to say that during the time when a lot of the programming was unraveling for Zeph, when he was starting to come out of denial and heal,
start to heal, you were a great input right there because a lot of the stuff, the weird stuff that had gone on in our lives, you know, such as, you know, quote-unquote aliens or whatever, demonic, this and that.
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for a few more moments will be right back the the the To be sure, a lot of what Zeph Daniels says is pretty wild stuff.
I mean, it's absolutely out there.
There's no question about it.
And his wife is on the line.
I couldn't resist.
She's willing.
Bless your heart for doing it.
I mean, what have you seen that would tend to confirm you said you saw, you've seen ships, you've seen aliens.
What can you describe to me that you've seen that validates all of this?
And how did it happen?
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Well, Art, it's lovely talking to you.
I guess what I've seen mostly is I've gone through a period of, well, close to 15 years now with Jeff, and I'm really grateful that Yahweh, our Creator, has given me him as my husband and my soulmate.
Because I guess in my own soul track, I needed to hook up with him and be a blessing to him and him be a blessing to me.
And at the time, I was like, I don't even really know what you're talking about.
And then, but in the spirit, I did, and I was like, oh, that's a warning.
And a strange thing happened when my own father passed away.
My last conversation with him on the phone.
I was living in Malibu, California, we were at the time.
And he's in Alaska, right?
And he's dying.
And he says, and I'm like, oh, upset because I'm not there to help.
I feel like I should be doing something.
And I can't get away because we're in the middle of this film thing.
And he says, it's okay, honey.
Everything's going to be all right.
And he goes, don't trust the aliens.
This is my dad, you know, like, this is straight.
And I'm like, okay, dad, I know.
I never have trusted him, you know.
And my first sighting of a weird flying saucer type thing, I guess, was when I was 14 in Alaska, you know, that happened.
I've seen other things.
I've seen interdimensional beings.
I've seen winged demons.
I've seen all kinds of weird stuff.
But I can tell you one thing, Jeff is a healer, and I knew that when I first met him, and now more and more I've seen that come to pass with a lot of people being blessed by what he does.
He could read the phone book to somebody, and something will happen.
I'm bringing him back now because I don't think we were done.
Call, you're back on.
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Thank you very much.
Thanks for bringing me back on, guys.
The point I was trying to get to and the question that I have specifically, you know, most of the visions and the dreams that I have because these all come to me just as dream state, just hitting that good deep sleep, or usually coming right out.
Why am I getting a lot of these lately, specifically related To brothers, sisters.
The last one I had in particular was: I saw a specific site situation inside a vehicle where she was having an affair.
Why am I seeing these sorts of things and why do they come to me?
That's right, and that's also biblical about this time we're in.
And the dreams mean that he's being called to service.
He's being called to warn people.
He's being called to let others know, to not keep this bottled up, but the more that you use this gift to warn and to help people, the more you'll actually, maybe this is a curse in a sense, but the more you'll be given.
All right, I have a friend, a very close friend of mine, Zeph, a fellow named Daniel Brinkley.
And he was struck by lightning.
And because of that lightning strike, he gained a power that over the years has begun to fade.
But when it was at its peak, which was immediately following the trauma, when he was recovered enough to begin experiencing the things that he experienced, I know for a fact that he had powers.
He could visualize things.
He could write down.
if you had an enemy uh...
he could he could draw he could draw a picture of the enemies house and car and that person and oh my god he was And that was a trauma, the trauma of a lightning bolt being virtually electrocuted, fried alive.
He simply said that these people were ordinary people that you would pass and will pass in the street every single day who have made a deal with the devil.
They've just simply made a quiet, comfortable deal with the devil.
And as a result of that quiet, comfortable deal, they're perfectly possessed.
He said, I know them when I pass them on the street.
But if you decide right now, I mean, I could decide right now that I'm going to consent.
And I'll bet you anything that I would see a whole bunch of sudden magical blessings occur.
That, for example, I might find a check in the mailbox.
I might find an opportunity.
A door opens to publish millions of copies of books or whatever.
Something like that would happen to confirm my quiet consent.
And then I would open that door and I'd go through that door and I'd go down that path and I'd meet other people and pretty soon and all of a sudden and down the road a little ways and then I'm really in it then, you see, because once I'm down that far and I've taken the money and I've taken the deal and I've taken the stuff, now let's say suddenly I'd say, oh gosh, I made a mistake.
I've had an interesting path myself, but the thing that I'm interested in finding out from you is what things do you do or have you done to discern God's will?
I know I've done things Like, open the Bible at random and have the answers there.
You know, and one, the very best way I know is to get quiet time alone where I can say and just ask the question, just like I'd be talking on the phone here.
That's, you know, in prayer.
People say it's in prayer, but I think we need to do more than just pray once in a while.
You need to be in a relationship.
And you're going, well, God, is that you?
Or is that something else?
Is that my own ego?
Is that a demon?
Is that you?
And you kind of stumble along.
I think we all stumble and we all struggle with this.
And sometimes we are deceived.
And then we learn a lesson.
Oftentimes when we make a mistake and we say, oh, that's God's will, it was really my will.
You stumble, you fall.
And then you get back up.
And then you dust yourself off and you say, hey, I learned something there.
And maybe that lesson sticks and you don't do it again.
You know, there's no guarantee we're not going to have pain.
And we're not going to make mistakes.
We're going to make mistakes.
And every time we make a mistake, I guess ultimately, you know, if the soul keeps progressing, it would always be God's will in the end.
But in terms of that kind of discernment, that has to come in time.
That's why they call wise men wise men because they are better at that discernment.
If you should, accidentally, I guess, walk into a traditional church and the preacher's up there saying, come to God's light, do you stand up and shout, no?
Did you know that NASA actually did some experiments with detonations of some sort on the moon and got all this ringing that was really weird that they could explain it?
Okay, there is a when I was together with my wife in 1992, I was going through an awakening then that got stopped.
But here's what happened.
Okay, one of these little beings, a small gray, if you will, his head exactly the size, the height of the doorknob, appeared.
Now, there were also UFO sightings over the house, and there was a battle going on, the spirit, and we were fighting back and forth, and I felt they were trying to get me.
Well, anyway, he shows up in the room, black eyes, the whole bit, and there was like a little light behind the eyes that was moving.
And immediately thereafter, I blacked out, and I went into a dream state where I was being dragged across this hotel motel, a CD motel room, as if I was going to be dragged out the door.
And I grabbed onto something and wrenched myself awake.
And I was desperately afraid.
I couldn't even get out of bed.
And because that being was there, and I realized that that dream I had was them, but they were like two thugs carrying me across the motel room.
And I went to another person for help, and they wanted to lock me up.
Because you see, in other words, what did that person that wanted to lock me up, who appeared as this woman therapist who wanted to, you know, a psychologist who said, well, we'll lock you up for three days in a seclusion, and then you'll get through it, and we'll help you.
Zeph, I received a plea on the computer here that you plea the person is lost and they don't know about Dulcy and they didn't know what you were referring to explain Dulcy Dulcie is a a rumored purported underground military alien base in Dulcie New Mexico which is right near the Colorado border and
I know something from a man that is no longer with us named Phil Schneider, who gave testimony about Dulce and underground installations.
and so...
he's spoken to the UFO community quote unquote and that's available on the internet and I know just what other people have read I have viewed it in the spirit right and I also have myself interviewed I know a person that does remote viewing who finds missing persons and is involved in murder cases and remote views it well she is now focusing on this on Dulcie for the first time,
changing her method, in other words, on missing person.
And this is the first time she's being led to do that.
Well, from what I heard yesterday from my Native American friend, we're looking at, he said, thousands of victims.
And so that's the kind of thing that we do in terms of, I guess we would go to a place like that in the Spirit and minister to them, because you can do that, and liberate those souls, because the Father will take those souls out of those vessels.
This has been known to happen when there was Christian persecution in the olden times, how the martyrs would die with smiles on their faces because their souls would be taken.
They would be gone at the moment of extreme torture.
They would be dislodged and taken home.
And it was so uncanny that it blew the minds of all the torturers and executioners so much so that many of them converted and became Christians.
I'm kind of a new listener to your program, and I caught most of the conversation tonight, and I have background as a Wiccan priestess, and I had strange situations happen to me, and I ended up in a hospital.
But a lot of the stuff that I believe the author is speaking about is very misleading, especially possibly to some of your listeners who may not have any knowledge of the subjects.
And I feel that he's kind of mincing words and kind of confusing people out there.
From my experience, I believe that, like he was talking about the tunnel and the white light, that if you are a true Christian, then you are a follower of God.
I believe that there's really only one true religion.
That's my espoused belief right now at this time.
And to say that is the case, and I do believe it's called the truth.
And I believe this gentleman has been mixing, you know, has a satanic background.
You are following Satan, and therefore Satan works through people.
Like, as he says, he shows himself as the light, you know, all these wonderful things.
How does he not know that he's still not doing Satan's work by promoting this book and putting false ideas out there?
Yahweh is the way that you pronounce it if you are trying to do musical, it's like alliteration, the way that you think that you're saying the name properly.
Mind control, you know, beginning at when you're talking about satanic ritual abuse, you are talking about some pretty horrific things.
You're talking about sexual molestation, torture.
You're talking about human sacrifice for the and to have children participate in it.
And I'm not going to go into too much about my personal involvement, just to say this, that I was removed from the situation at an early age because I fought back.
But then they mind-controlled me in a different way, i.e.
putting counselors and people around me to convince me that I didn't see what I had seen.
Because we're having our Thanksgiving out here in Toronto.
Okay.
Okay, so he's had some issues with satanic abuse.
Does he think that he's been hypnotized in any way?
Does he think that he's been replaying this idea of abuse in his mind like a movie, trying to correct it, but at the same time he's still giving out the same information that's been programmed into him?
Well, when I was in denial about all this stuff, and I had memory, no memory, because it's three and four and five years old, the memories are overcome, but there was a trauma there.
And I think I had to keep filling in this nice little, that it never happened.
You know, I kept having to do that, but I had some real psychological problems.
I would say this, I've gone through a lot of healing, but occasionally I'll have like post-traumatic stress issues where I will be suddenly, because there was self-destruct programming put in me, and that's what sometimes gets played and triggered, and it's terrible.
It's a very terrible time because you just feel like it's horrific, and it comes, and I have to wait it out till it passes.
So, yes, I'm still afflicted somewhat in that way, and I pray that, you know, to get through it and beyond it.
Because about five years ago, I also started having experiences, and they started out with alien experiences where I felt like my consciousness was being taken from my body.
And then it went in to where I think I cleansed my home, and it was like, I don't know if it's like the Native American Indians talk about you take your power back.
And I got rid of that negative energy.
And the energy was, it made me feel like an animal terror.
Well, you know, I don't know about all you've said tonight, Zeph, but I do know that I've talked to a witch here on the air, and she has confirmed in graphic, horrific detail that this kind of ritualistic torture and ritualistic even killing of children does go on more than the average American citizen would even dare dream
Well, the closest thing I could tell you about a purgatory experience, it may parallel, is I was taken in the spirit to, I lived at the site of an Indian massacre in New Mexico at one time, and then I realized I was brought there to, I was taken into the spirit by the Lord to minister to the traumatized Indians that were massacred, mainly women and children in this particular thing that happened.
And it was like a purgatory.
It was a, I called it Sheol at the time.
And I ministered to them.
I think what I was led to say to them was that all of us would have strung up Jesus on a cross.
None of us is righteous, not one of us.
And something to that effect.
And they went on to another state of being.
But where they were was they were stuck in this state between two worlds.
I know that's not like the Catholic purgatory where you're waiting there for judgment.
All I know is in this particular case, these Indians were holding on to anger and hate and resentment and trauma and shock, and they were stuck and very unhappy.
And so they were cleansed, purged of this when they heard the good news that they could emancipate to, you know, in their mind, would be the happy hunting grounds.
And then after I ministered to them, all but a couple of them left.
The other two, there were two scouts that stayed behind on that property, and they kept tormenting.
You could hear their footsteps at night, and they also could do things in our world.
In other words, they would take, say there was a maintenance guy there, they'd take his tools, or they'd hit somebody or something like that.
There was poltergeist activity, in other words.
unidentified
Well, they were active on earth, even though they were in something of a purgatory.
But the women and children, the main bulk of them, they went on because actually the Lord Jesus was ministering to them through using me in that, and they moved on.
And that probably doesn't answer the question, I don't know about purgatory, sir, because I was not raised Catholic.
I have a friend that has MPD, and she is a Christian, and she and I have been friends for about eight years.
However, because of the other personality, sometimes I'm dealing with one or dealing with the other.
I had an experience one night where I spent the night with her, and coincidentally, I had also been looking coast to coast on the internet at Ghost and all of the pictures on there.
But before I went to bed, I just posed the question of, you know, what am I dealing with with her?