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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Zeph Daniel - Aliens Demons and Souls

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening.
		Good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's prolific time zones, every single one of them covered by this program, Coast to Coast A.M. I'm Mark Bell and this would be the weekend version starting again with sad news.
		Matt Drudge, many of you will not have heard this, it's only moments old.
		Matt Drudge is reporting that Christopher Reeve is dead.
		Very sad.
		Superman, they've got a picture up there of Superman.
		Christopher Reeve dead.
		Details unknown.
		The family will release details apparently on Monday at the earliest, but that's the late word.
		And I suppose we could have some small amount of hope that it might not be true.
		But Matt Drudge reporting on his site that Christopher Reeve is dead.
		Matt Drudge is good.
		You know, Matt really is good at what he does on the net.
		And then there is my webcam photo.
		Now, we were having some pretty wicked thunderstorms this afternoon here in the desert.
		And as you know, I have many, you know, many towers up.
		But I have one particularly large one directly behind my house that rises 100 feet into the air.
		And it's about 3,000 pounds of steel, you know.
		And I have antennas on top of that.
		And this afternoon, Ramona came and said, hey, you better come out and take a look at this.
unidentified		And I went out and took a look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And here was a tornado beginning to form in the sky.
		A tornado.
		And, you know, we're in Nevada, right?
		And it was definite circulation.
		So actually, I said, oh, darn.
		Oh, you know, a variation of that.
		And ran inside, and I got my camera.
		I thought, well, if it's going to touch down, it didn't, thankfully.
		Thank God.
		If it's going to touch down, I might as well get a picture of what did it.
		So I ran out, got a camera, and there, there is a picture that would strike, I mean, the pucker factor for an amateur radio operator with a tower like this over his house is real high, 8, 9, 9.5.
		So that was taken several hours ago, and it was a real, real high pucker factor.
		So you might want to take a look at that.
		You just go to the website, coastocoastaam.com, and it's in the upper left-hand corner.
		And if you look carefully, you can pick out the circulation without any trouble at all.
		I ought to send that to the local newspaper.
		You don't get a lot of tornadoes here in Nevada, but there you are.
		It's a big welcome to Iraq for Donald Rumsfeld.
		The United States may be able to reduce its troop levels in Iraq after the January elections if security is strengthened, it says, and the Iraqi government forces continue to expand and improve.
		But while our Defense Secretary was there, a lot of things blew up.
		Cars blew up, 11 people dead, including an American soldier.
		So I don't know.
		You know, you hear differing reports coming from Iraq.
		There's some good news, and there has been a little bit of good news lately, but the bad news seems to be continuing.
		The Senate late Sunday received a dispute, resolved one actually, delaying passage of a sweeping corporate tax bill and two spending bills for disaster relief and homeland security.
		Call it the law of unintended consequences, perhaps.
		A new national backup system meant to ensure that millions of eligible voters are not mistakenly somehow turned away from the polls this year could end up, they say, becoming as infamous as Florida's hanging Chad's.
		Congress, boys, news you want just before the election, right?
		Congress required conditional or provisional voting as part of election fixes passed in 2002 for the first time.
		All states must offer a backup ballot to any voter whose name somehow doesn't appear on the rolls when the voter comes to the polling place November 2nd.
		That'll be handy for the illegal aliens.
unidentified		If the voter is later found eligible, then the vote counts.
		Okay.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mount St. Helens.
		Let's see.
		Mount St. Helens, I have a lot of friends I talk to up there.
		I've been trying to urge them to quickly send their radio equipment to me while it can still be saved.
		Anyway, Mount St. Helens vented a new column of steam Sunday, a lazy plume that arose out of the crater of the snow-dusted volcano.
		The billow of steam rose from an area where a large upswelling bulge of rock, rock bulging is always bad, has been growing on the dome-shaped formation of rock in the crater.
		The plume rose several hundred feet above the 8,364-foot volcano.
		It lost about 1,000 feet in the last eruption.
		And light winds slowly blew the whole thing toward the south and the southeast.
		in a moment some of the other news that otherwise uh...
unidentified		you may have missed elsewhere uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, as you know, over the years, I have spoken to you ever so many times about our atmosphere and our weather and the fact that what's going on could change just like that.
		Now, a lot of scientists, of course, don't believe that, and they don't think that very large storms the size of a, for example, a global superstorm, what we would call that, could even occur.
		There's not enough energy for it, and things are just happening at a predictable rate.
unidentified		Well, maybe not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here, this just in from Where Else, The Independent in London.
		You wouldn't see this printed here.
		If you do, it'll be an amazement to me.
		The headline is, surprise CO2 rise may speed up global warming.
		Listen to this.
		The rate at which global warming gases are accumulated in the atmosphere has taken a sharp leap upwards, leading fears and generating fears and continuing them, that the devastating effects of climate change may hit the world even sooner than has been predicted.
		Atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide, the principal greenhouse gas, have made a sudden jump that just cannot be explained by any corresponding jump in terrestrial emissions of CO2 from power stations, motor vehicles, and so forth, because there has been none.
		Some scientists think that instead that the abrupt speedup just might be evidence of the long-feared climate change feedback mechanism by which global warming causes alterations to the Earth's natural systems and then in turn causes the warming to increase even more rapidly than before.
		Runaway.
		Feedback.
		Such a development would mean the worldwide droughts, agricultural failures, sea level rise, increased weather turbulence, and flooding, all predicted as consequences of climate change, would arrive on a much shorter time scale than present scenarios might suggest, and the world would have much less time to coordinate its response.
		Oh, I'm so shocked.
		Only last month, Tony Blair expressed anxiety that global warning's dire effects would arrive not just in his children's lifetime, because you can write that one off easily, right?
		Say poor kids, and then not think much more about it, but rather in his own and would radically alter human existence.
		The feedback phenomena already has been predicted in the supercomputer models of the global climate on which the current forecasts of warming are based.
		Now, a key aspect is the weakening caused by the warming itself of the Earth's ability to remove huge amounts of CO2 from the atmosphere by absorbing it annually in its forests and oceans in the so-called carbon cycle.
		The forests and oceans are referred to as carbon sinks.
		In other words, a sink.
		They absorb carbon.
		Hitherto, however, that weakening has been put decades into the future.
		Well, guess what?
		The possibility that it may actually be occurring now is suggested in the long-run atmospheric CO2 measurements that have been made since 1958 at the observatory on the top of Mauna Loa at 11,000 feet in Hawaii by American physicist Charles Keeling from the University of California San Diego.
		When he began, he was finding about 315 parts per million.
		Today, after the remorseless increase in emissions from power stations and motor vehicles over the past four and a half decades, the figure stands at 376 parts per million.
		The growth is what scientists believe is causing the Earth's atmosphere to warm up as the increasing CO2 retains more and more of the sun's heat.
		And in the atmosphere, it's kind of like, I don't know, panes of a greenhouse.
		And so you can see, well, anyway, but the worry now is not merely the swelling volume of CO2, but the sudden leap in its rate of increase across all 46 years of his measurements.
		The average annual CO2 rise has been about 1.3 parts per million, although in recent decades it's jumped to about 1.6 parts per million.
		You may recall on last night's program, Dr. Doom talked about an African encounter in which about 60 children encountered,
		well, they had a close encounter definitely of the third kind, a creature, several craft, and I've got any number of stories about it here, detailed stories about this occurrence in Africa.
		And so everything he said is absolutely correct.
		And again, remember, this is at least a couple of dozen children that were interviewed by Dr. Mack.
		And according to Ed, the tapes, the interviews with the children were very specific with regard to the message that the being delivered to them.
		And it was in part that the earth is dying.
		And so that one bristles the back of my neck a little bit, to be honest with you.
		It really does.
		That many dynamics.
		I mean, for one thing, it's children.
		For another thing, it involves many of them.
		For a third thing, they all drew what they saw, the craft and all the rest of it.
		And then for another, in the interviews, they all related the same message sent to them telepathically by that creature.
		That in part, the earth is dying.
		So it's hard to reject, you know, just out of hand, reject that kind of evidence in my mind.
		Oh, here's a nice one.
		Killer flu resurrected in the lab.
		Well, you knew they were going to try to do it, right?
		Apparently, they have had success.
		Scientists have shown That just tiny changes to modern flu viruses could render them every bit as deadly as the 1918 strain, which killed millions of people across the globe.
		Oh, wonderful.
		A U.S. team added just two little genes from a sample of the 1918 virus to a modern strain known to have no effect on mice.
		But now, animals exposed to the composite were dying within days of symptoms similar to those found in the humans back in 1918.
		It's all published in the very prestigious journal Nature, if you want to read it.
		It was all, it says, all these tests were carried out under the tightest security.
		Experts focused on just two genes thought to play a key role in the infection process.
		One controls the production of a spike-like molecule called HA, believed to be used by flu viruses to attach themselves to the cells that they're about to infect.
		Previous research published earlier this year in the Journal Science identified the HA gene as being the crucial element which made the 1918 virus so deadly, and the latest work would appear to confirm this.
		So in other words, in lab, they've taken the latest flu virus, whatever that happens to be, and HA'ded around a little bit.
		And now they've got something every bit as deadly as the 1918 virus.
		Lucky us.
		Keep it in the lab, guys.
		Then, of course, you know, there's a whole lot of worry right now that the bird flu and the standard human virus are going to get together somewhere probably in China and spread like wildfire.
		Not saying it's happened, but there's so much talk of it.
		It's almost like it's like the anthrax thing or some of the other talk.
		There's so much and then it happens.
	Scientists now also fear that seals, dolphins, otters, birds, falcons, even honeybees are headed toward a unisex existence that would lead for them, obviously, to extinction.
	Mother Nature is taking over.
	An extraordinary feminization process has begun to affect Britain's wildlife.
	Now, listen to me.
	These are stories that you want to pay attention to when I read them.
	You really do, because you're not going to hear them elsewhere.
	Scientists warn it could ultimately dismantle the evolutionary process that has existed for 3.5 billion years.
	A trend first noticed in whelks is beginning to spread rapidly among other wildlife species in the food chain.
	The first national survey of 42 rivers by the UK Environment Agency has just been completed, and guess what it found?
	A third of male fish are growing female reproductive tissues and organs.
	Effects were most pronounced in the younger ones, raising obvious grave implications for future stocks.
	Quite a few species now are affected, seals, dolphins, birds, falcons, honeybees, all headed toward a unisex existence.
	Well, it would be a very short existence indeed, right?
	And why do they think this might be happening?
	Well, chemicals found in plastics, food packaging, shampoos, pesticides, all have accumulated in the environment, and they're turning the males into females.
	So this environment thing, if you do the right reading in the right places, and England has been really good about getting things out that are not ballyhooed here at all, we don't air this kind of stuff except on this program.
	If you begin to put it all together, I mean, there's some pretty obvious directions that we're headed in.
	In fact, that might be a good reason for you to call tonight.
	What do you think is going on?
	We're going to go to open lines here.
	Oh, top of the hour.
	Top of the hour.
	Zeph Daniel's going to be here, and it's going to be a strange program.
	Zeph Daniel was a victim of satanic ritual abuse and mind control as a child, and he believes, and abduction, he thinks that he's on to why the abductions are occurring and what it's all about.
	And so it's going to be an interesting, a very interesting interview, I suspect, Zeph Daniel, tonight.
	This was a very interesting email I got from one of you out there.
	Hey, Art, I'm listening to your show on the stream link right now.
	Oh, by the way, that reminds me I didn't bring it in here.
	But, you know, every now and then, HBO and Showtime and all of those services, they have, you know, free weekends, right?
	So you can get a sample of what they've got, and they put all their best movies forward.
	Your best foot, right?
	On that weekend, and then they hope you order.
	Well, we're going to do something like that on Streamlink.
	Streamlink is the service that allows you to download programs, listen to programs.
	It's pretty cool.
	And I'm being handed something here.
	Yeah, okay, here it is.
	I knew what it was anyway.
	This is Ramona handed me the Streamlink announcement.
	So I'm not going to go through all this.
	It's free next weekend.
	We're doing a free Streamlink weekend.
	So it'll give you a chance, if you wish, to sample all the goodies that those who do pay for Streamlink get.
	It amounts to about, I don't know, 15 cents a day or something.
	It's not much.
	Anyway, this gentleman was listening on Streamlink, and he writes, I'm compelled to let you know the results from some experiments I did.
	You remember the show we did about plants?
	Well, he says, So I sent love to one plant, and I sent hate to the other.
	This was now several months ago.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had taken two healthy starch from the same plant, put them in water in my kitchen window every time I went to the sink, I sent a nice, loving, encouraging thought to one plant on the left, and a hateful, discouraging, death thought to the right one.
		Within two weeks, the plant on the right was deader than a doornail, and the one on the left, it was flourishing.
		I frankly thought the whole thing was pretty profound.
		What do you think, Terry?
		Well, Terry, I think it is profound, and I think it's real, and I think that the guests that we've had on the program on this particular subject are dead on.
		I mean, there's a lot about plants and animals that we don't understand.
		We don't know about it.
		We just don't know.
		So, you know, there's a lot about our minds we don't know.
		And obviously, your mind has the ability to communicate in some manner with a plant, some way that we don't understand, may never understand in my lifetime.
		It's quantum.
		It's at the quantum level, certainly.
		But I don't know, give it a try yourself if you want to risk killing one of your plants to prove it to yourself.
unidentified		It would be murder, but you could do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we've got a heck of a show ahead.
		Open lines coming right up.
		Stay right where you are.
unidentified		I can see you line back in seven minutes of you to access the audio archives of Coast to Coast AM, log on to CoastToCoastAM.com.
		We've been looking at the fire start to burn.
		Thank you.
		The warnings on them beer can't be buried in them landfills.
		No deposits, no set stones, and no return.
		Yeah, it's only gonna take about a minute or so to go factory blocks.
		You gonna have to turn your lights on just to see.
		The lights gonna be made on play.
		Fire just paradise.
		the whole damn world's gonna be made of styrene so listen to my brothers when you hear the nightman's sigh and you see the waters flying through the great polluted sky there won't be no country music there won't be no rock and roll cause when they take away our country they'll take away our soul All right, everybody, listen very carefully.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The numbers are a little different on the weekend, and we're about to go into open line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if it applies to you, here it comes.
unidentified		To talk with Art Bell, call the wildcard line at area code 775-727-1295.
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		There won't be no rock and roll, when they take away our country, they'll take away our song.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Keep your eyes on the skies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning from the high desert.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast A.M. And so it begins.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
unidentified		I'm doing just fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		My name is George.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		George, and you're calling me from where?
unidentified		Around Columbia, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Missouri.
		Well, I might have guessed.
		All right, George, what's up?
unidentified		Well, in my opinion, I think we've got too many people in the world, and nature's going to do what the locusts do.
unidentified		You know, every so many years, locusts go through a deal where they, I think it's a human's turn here in the near future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can't disagree with you.
		You know, Mother Nature never gets angry.
		She just gets even.
		And so if the scales are unbalanced in some way, then Mother Nature balances them.
unidentified		Yes, sir, she does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like hurricanes.
		if you have a lot of uh...
		really warm water and excess temperature than mother nature attempts to take that and convert it to a cooler temperature with violence lots of violence like really big hurricanes like hurricanes the size of Tornadoes.
		Violent weather of all sorts.
		Yeah, take a look at my webcam.
		That's pretty weird stuff.
		I mean, tornadoes in Nevada.
		It gave me...
		It was obviously a circulation, but it was airborne.
		It never came down to the ground, but it could have.
		I'd have been like Dorothy, I suppose.
		In Nevada, yet.
		What's to the Rockies?
		You're on here.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, hello, Lord.
unidentified		I'm going to turn my radio off there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
unidentified		That's the first thing you ought to do.
		I'm Michael.
		I'm calling from Phoenix listening to 550 KFYI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I'm calling about the hormone thing.
		I've been aware for years that I remember an article long ago talking about just shampoos have some female hormones in them.
		And they were even saying then, talking about these young girls, how young girls seem to be developing faster, sooner than we remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but we don't want young boys developing into young girls.
unidentified		Well, now that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's one of those things.
unidentified		Now, there have been a lot of mutations lately.
unidentified		I remember just recently there was a story, I believe it was UPI or whatever, George read it, talking about in India, a fella had raised peacocks, and he had a peahen, his prized peahen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I read that story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
unidentified		Yeah, and so there are mutations, but I think the problem is that, yes, there are too many female hormones, I mean the cattle and the milk, for milk production.
unidentified		They drink the milk, well, it carries the hormones, the injection of the cattle, to increase milk production.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but this is no minor matter.
		I mean, if you get nothing but the female of any species, and when you're talking, what are they talking about here?
		Let's read this again a little bit.
		Seals, dolphins, otters, other birds, falcons, honeybees, they're all beginning to turn into females.
		And that, of course, as soon as one generation of that happens, it's over, baby.
		It's over.
		And if it's happening this high in the food chain, in the mammal chain, you know, we're not that far above some of these, particularly dolphins, right?
		We're not that far above.
		So at what point does the world begin to pay attention to these things?
		CO2, they're talking about the runaway switch has already been thrown.
		Mammals pretty high on the chain turning into all females.
		I mean, you know, this is getting to be, it seems to me, pretty serious stuff.
		I'm not reading you science fiction now.
		I'll tell you when I'm doing that.
		We do plenty of that on this program.
		But I'll also tell you when I'm reading legit articles, you know, from Great Britain.
		These are all warning bells going off, you know?
		Big, serious, loud warning bells going off.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yeah, I was wondering about remote viewing.
		They were talking about it, but Ed Dames never really gave a real clear definition of what about remote viewing.
		In other words, allows him to see these things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		If you listen very carefully last night, Ed Dames told you that he understands the mechanics of it.
		He understands the discipline of remote viewing, how to implement it, how to do it successfully, and now even he may have made a leap forward in being able to get it right down to GPS coordinates.
		But he also said very clearly, sir, he doesn't even have a clue what medium he's going through or how he's doing what he's doing.
		He admitted that.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		So he just said these things just kind of come to him, in other words, and he tries to understand it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
		Again, it probably is related to something quantum.
		We don't know.
		It's occurring at the speed of thought, not light.
		The speed of thought.
		And that apparently is instantaneous.
		So Ed Dame's own words last night, he does not understand the medium that he does this through, only how to do it.
		And he has refined the method of doing remote viewing, certainly since he was in the CIA program.
		Wildcard line, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be me, yes.
unidentified		Okay, I'm sorry.
unidentified		Several years ago, I sent you a stone to the mail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sent me a stone.
unidentified		I think it had pitch on it, painted on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, with a cap painted on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember that.
unidentified		Did you?
unidentified		Did you like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, thank you.
unidentified		Oh, you're welcome.
unidentified		I just kind of curious, that's all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it, huh?
unidentified		That'll do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that would be me.
unidentified		I just had a quick question on George Norris's program the other night when he was talking about the John Tedor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the supposed delegate time traveler.
unidentified		He said somebody in 98 sent you a fax on a skyscraper in New York being knocked down.
unidentified		Didn't say he was John Tedor, but kind of talked like him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that may well be.
		Sir, that was back during the time when early in the evening in the network program, I used to maintain a fax machine here and give my fax number out on the air.
		I had tens of thousands of faxes.
		I had this machine called a Grestentner, which finally, just sort of like an old beat up something or another, it expired.
		I mean, it had spit out one too many faxes and it went Okay.
unidentified		Just wondering about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Taker.
		I'm sorry that should have, of course, stuck out in my mind, but I do get a lot of things, you know, like that, and I would not necessarily have said, my God, we better save this skyscraper.
		Tens of, hundreds of thousands of faxes.
		Finally, the computer came along, an email, thank God.
		And speaking of that, if you would like to get hold of me, there are two ways to do it.
		I am Art Bell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, at mindspring.com.
		Artbell at mindspring.com or artbell at aol.com.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hey, Miss Bell.
		Yes.
		Yeah, it's called about that femaleization of the genes and the hormones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Feminization, yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Have you ever heard of a woman named Dr. Helen Caldecott?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is a familiar name.
unidentified		She's out of Australia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I heard a speech by her years and years ago, and it's a little bit wacky, but she had her audience envision putting birth control in the world's waters and everybody just having a nice life and enjoying everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then the world would be a better place if the planet were feminized?
unidentified		Well, not so much feminized, but just...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Depopulated.
unidentified		...given another chance to start over, yeah.
		Because if you look at what we've done to the world, what we continue to do, you know, it's a little bit of a crazy idea, but it...
		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that I collect and read nearly every weekend.
		These are getting more serious and more serious and more serious every week I'm here.
		The feminization of mammals and birds and dolphins and, you know, the killer flu stuff we're experimenting with.
		And my God, what's going on in the world right now?
unidentified		Yeah, well, just kick it around.
		And I don't know.
		It might not be such a bad place if we weren't around for a while.
		And I don't know.
		All right.
		Well, thank you.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir.
		Have a cheery morning.
		might not be such a bad place we were around her I have to think about that a little bit.
		I'm not sure what all this is working toward, but the quickening is well underway.
		Well underway, isn't it?
		In every aspect in which I originally called this the quickening, it's well underway.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Mr. Bill.
		Hi.
		I've got a prediction for Mount St. Helens.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		It has been told to me intuitively that it's going to blow in the second week of November.
		Really?
		And I've been told that there will be very little loss of life, maybe no more than 40 to 80 people total.
		It's going to take away 22% of the ocean front in that state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's going to be a very large explosion.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going to take 22% of the batting average do you have with regard to predictions?
unidentified		Oh, boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		10%, 20%, 80%?
unidentified		I'd say over 60 on certain things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		In general, 80%, probably.
unidentified		Or 90%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		90?
unidentified		Well, I wouldn't go as high as that.
unidentified		I would say 82%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		82%.
		All right.
		Well, that was quite a range you jumped through there.
		Anyway, there you have it.
		Well, I guess Mount St. Helens is bound to blow, right?
		Eventually, it's going to go again, and probably sooner than later.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, hi.
		Hi.
		I just wanted to say something about Dr. Helen Caldicott.
		She's an Australian pediatrician who was one of the founders of Physicians for Social Responsibility.
		Dr. Bernard Lowe was the other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, was she actually calling for handing out birth control pills?
unidentified		No, you know, honestly, I find that hard to believe.
		She's focusing on nuclear proliferation.
		And she's back in the States.
		She's got an office in a new organization in Washington, D.C. And both Carrie and Bush, as you know, recently said that that's our biggest problem.
		I really doubt that she would have said something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would you feel if the world were filled with nothing but your sisters?
unidentified		Well, I think that would be really sad.
unidentified		But I do think that the world should be led shoulder to shoulder with men and women in equal representation, and then we would get a bifocal perspective on things, which is what we really need.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, let's imagine, and it's not all that hard to imagine in view of the story I've got right here.
		I mean, what if the world did become all-feminine?
		Well, of course, I suppose there could be some miracle performed by science to continue us somehow.
		But basically, the world would change if women were, you know, yeah.
unidentified		Well, women look at things very differently from men.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would wars end?
unidentified		I think so.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah?
unidentified		I think so.
unidentified		Women see further ahead, you know, from time immemorial, they've had to figure out ways to avoid conflict.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but I've seen these pictures of women down on the floor running just ripping each other's hair out and stuff like that.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Well, those, you know, small segment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but it always, that's all it takes is a small segment of wild women.
unidentified		Well, that's true.
unidentified		All it takes is a small segment of nutty men in the White House, too, doesn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		I hear these words, and I get a chill when you say something like that.
		See, maybe there is something that women know.
		Have you noticed your wife or your girlfriend whispering to other women things that are meant only for the ear of another inheritor of the world?
		Wild card line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a world leader for me here.
unidentified		What's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isaiah, it's another world leader for me here.
unidentified		Oh, really?
		Not me.
		No, huh?
		I have a, well, I have a story, and I have a question about gold.
		Do you?
		Yes.
		When it's buried in the ground, it's a clay kind of soil, how much do you think it would sink down in?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gold?
unidentified		Gold?
unidentified		Over the years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you bury some?
unidentified		I didn't bury it myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know somebody who buried it?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're going to go looking for it, and You're wondering how far down to look?
unidentified		I think somebody else is already ahead of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ed?
unidentified		Yeah, they're ahead of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, I got a bunch of funny messages last night, people saying, hey, that's my damn goal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You better not set foot anywhere near it.
unidentified		Well, this farm has been in my family for several decades.
unidentified		Going back to the 20s and 30s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Send me an email with the address.
unidentified		With the address.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Okay, and I have something else.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't do that.
unidentified		What you were saying about all the carbon monoxide and the bad stuff of the air we breathe?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the real bad news, ma'am, is that the carbon dioxide hurry-up switch may have just have been thrown, according to the story, and now it's increasing exponentially.
unidentified		They've just dug a big old garbage kit across the road from me.
		They exhumed a whole pile of garbage and pulled it up and piled it up in big piles.
		Yeah.
		And dug a great big hole, and they're hauling in fill daily, and they're digging all around, and they've got a great big huge development going on in the adjoining property.
		Yeah.
		And it's...
		Well, I think they might have dug up something they didn't want to dig up.
		I mean, you know, some of this stuff that they've piled up over there, they're supposed to put a cap on it, but by the time they get around to it, the ground around here will be frozen.
		And well, there's many things to this story, Mr. Bell.
		I'm sure you'd love to hear it, and so would your listeners.
		Actually, I wanted to ask you a question about hooking up live on the Internet.
		Do you think that would be a good idea?
		Do you think I'd be sacrificing too much of my privacy, which has already been totally sacrificed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		give me an idea of what you mean by hooking up live on the internet you mean more putting on like a
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why don't you just put a webcam out there on the corner of your house, point in that way with a zoom lens, and put it up on the net would there be any way of finding out how far down this might have sunk?
unidentified		Because I'm thinking perhaps that's what they're doing over there.
unidentified		They might be tunneling down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not that I'm aware of, but all I can say is keep an eye on them and good luck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air without a lot of time.
unidentified		Hello?
		All right.
		Yes.
		How are you, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we don't have much time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
unidentified		I just wanted to say that the feminine approach to life to me is far superior to the masculine approach to life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're a real help, aren't you?
unidentified		Well, I'm just trying to be realistic more than anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, if the plastics take away your manhood, it's okay.
unidentified		Because plastic can't take away my manhood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to read a story here, sir.
unidentified		I don't think it is.
unidentified		I think manhood has a lot more to do with your mental state than it has to do with anything physiological.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think so?
		You think so, huh?
		Okay, all right.
		Thank you very much for the call, and good luck in your new life.
		We'll have a guest, Zeph Daniel, coming up right after the news break at the top of the hour from the high desert in the middle of the night, which is where we do our very best work.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sadly, at this hour, USA Radio Network seemingly confirming Christopher Reeves' death, something about a heart attack details to follow.
		In a moment, Zeph Daniel will be here at a very early age.
		Zeph Daniel became a failed victim of satanic ritual abuse and mind control.
		Later, he became involved in writing for film and television in the horror field.
		I wonder if that's a natural.
		He claims these were attempts to find out what happened, who he was, what went wrong.
		It took 25 years for the total defeat of the old Zeph, the death of that fragment of tortured humanity, and his resurrection in the spirit of God, Zeph, is controversial because he is critical of organized religion.
		As for the human soul, which is what this farm called Earth is all about, he says, it is a commodity bought and sold in an intergalactic market like oil.
		I hope our stock is rising.
		The spirit of a person can be scalped and held in various high-tech devices.
		They're boxes.
		And those are sold.
		All that tunnel of white light mythology and NDE experiences is simply high-tech scalping, says he.
		And is done from a base on the moon.
		Oh, that sounds familiar, doesn't it?
unidentified		A crystal city, he says.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He says, all this I have seen and experienced, and it is all literally true, no matter how strange it may sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what Zeph says, and that's what we're going to explore.
unidentified		No small matter coming up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think what really saddens me about the death of Christopher Reeve is for other men in his circumstance, maybe it'd be all right.
		You know, because it'd be such a relief from the very low quality of life that he, I'm sure, was leading.
		But what makes it so sad in the case of Christopher Reed is he had such a lust for life.
		You know, he really wanted to be around for that big miracle cure that actually a lot of people have been talking about lately, the stem cell research, right?
		And he just so wanted to hang on that that makes it particularly sad.
		A lot of people in his position would have some time ago have given up and would not have lasted as long as he did.
		But he had such a zest for life, so I don't know, that makes it tough.
		All right, here comes Zeph Daniel.
		And in all the years that I've been reading these intros that are written up for people that are going to be guests on the show, this one contains, just, I mean, this is some wild stuff.
		There's no question about it.
		Zeph, welcome to the program.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Art, and our prayers and love to the Christopher Reeve family, and, of course, Christopher Reeve, wherever he is.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		God bless you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's in a good place.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know that much, anyway.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I can tell you this, though, that intro sounded pretty wild.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I thought so, too.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, except for dabbling in the horror genre, which I suppose was a way to try to get a handle on some of the things that I had seen in my life.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I was not a...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, who wrote this?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I may have.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I think this was from a couple of years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it true then?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, it's true.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		It's just the way it's all put together, it's just a lot of...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have not yet.
		So let's begin at the beginning.
		I mean, satanic ritual abuse.
		I need to know something about that anyway.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, basically, like this.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		There is Satanism on the planet, obviously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And what is the goal of Satanism?
		And Satanists, what do they want?
		Well, it's usually power.
		They want the power from it.
		And a lot of times, you know, families and generations are born, and then someone goes over to the satanic side.
		That passes on to the next generation and the next.
		And it's like a bloodline type of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there was that line in your family, I guess.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		That line there.
		And in the case of it's kind of ugly in a sense, but basically it goes like this.
		The idea is to break a person down even as a child and to get the soul to dislodge from the vessel, that is, to dissociate, and to then be indwelt with as powerful a demon as can be as possible,
		so that that person then grows up with the ability, with lots of power and the ability to wield power within the satanic system, let's say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Zeph, I interviewed a young lady on my program once who was a Satanist, and she told me that her one big goal was to make absolutely certain that her very young son went straight to hell with her.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Actually, you know, most of the ones that I know, and I do know, and I have to say this, I've gotten beyond the idea of hating people that have hurt me and all that.
		And I'm looking at it as the human condition, you know, the spiritual battle.
		And I've never met anyone who, a Satanist, who actually believed they were going to hell.
		They somehow believed they were going to rise above it.
		They were going to make a change at some point in their life, that God would eventually forgive them.
		They don't believe that.
		And Most of the ones that I know are avid churchgoers.
		They go to Bible studies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Most of the Satanists, you know, growing up.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the friends of mine that I had are very active in the church, and they're very active in the community.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that sounds illogical.
		No.
		Absolutely illogical.
		I mean, if you're worshiping Satan, and that's the right word, worship, then God would be the antithesis of what you believed was true and right and powerful.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And I think the reason they get affiliated in the church system is for the affiliation, for business, for other reasons.
		They don't get affiliated with it for the quest for God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's just a good old boy network, huh?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		It's more of a social media.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they practice their Satanism in secret.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And also, another aspect of it, is to do good works to offset the negative.
		And they believe that by doing that...
		It's the spiritual mafia.
		And, you know, but the idea is, again, to get the soul to dislodge.
		In other words, to traumatize a child or traumatize a victim or a target to the point where they will give up, their spirit will give up, and they'll be able to be indwelt with whatever the family spirit is, whatever the group spirit is, because Satanists work in groups.
		And that's the idea.
		The more powerful an entity one is indwelt by, the better they're going to do in life.
		That's what they think.
		So what happens to people that refuse or fight back?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know, in fact, that's true?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, can you tell me definitively that there are not a lot of Satanists who are rich, powerful, and some names we'd recognize, you know, that there are not people out there gaining from Satan now?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are people gaining.
		You know, there's, again, it's passed on from generation to generation, usually.
		And the ones that don't go with it usually wind up dead.
		You know, and call that a satanic sacrifice.
		And it's a brutal system.
		Again, the spiritual mafia.
		It's a brutal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know for a fact that there are human sacrifices to the devil.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Yes, unfortunately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you have this knowledge?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't want you to say anything to get you in any trouble.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I've been in trouble in terms of actually one person who works as an assassin told me, as long as you keep talking and writing and publishing, you know, you probably will be all right.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		But if you go silent, you'll be whacked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'll be whacked.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, to whack you right now would bring too much attention on the dark side.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would be, well, then everything Zeph said was right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is like the mafia, huh?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's for me, it was like this.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		My life was in danger when my programming, and I will go into that in a second about what was my programming, what is mind control, how that's a part of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know people that are spiritual and physical assassins that kill.
		I mean, I want to understand your level of involvement.
		Have you seen this with your own eyes?
		Have you seen what I've done?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, as a in the work I've done in ministry, I've, you know, obviously been there with confessions with people who have killed, you know, who have assassinated a lot of people.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And usually it's made to look like a missing person or an auto rack or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, you just used the word ministry.
		You're critical, though.
		It says here, you're critical of organized religion.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Have been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Because of seeing the involvement of people that have been duplicitist, let's say, in, you know, for example, Satanists in the church behaving as if they're worshiping God and really they're, I don't know what they're doing there.
		But they are very much involved in the organization and it's a battle.
		I don't have anything against people going to church, really.
		That's not it.
		It's looking for God in church rather than being on that quest for God in your life, you know, 24-7.
		And going to church or going to the library, going to a university or anything like that, I have no problem with that.
		I don't, you know, that's not the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That it allows these Satanists to get together in some horrible charade?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Let's just say that I, yeah, and I've been hurt in those environments, and I've seen other people hurt in that same way, and I'm like, why is this going on here?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		This should be a place of worship, a place of a sanctuary, a safe place, a good place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've talked to Satanists, Zeth, who say, look, I don't know how to put this except bluntly.
		You know, they say that they want, I guess they think that this life is it.
		And they want everything they can get out of this life because that's what they want.
		And they think Satanism, the dark side, can get these things for them in this life.
		And it should be told, is that possible or not?
		And if it really is possible, then you can understand the temptation that leads them there.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And, you know, we're always, that's how I feel.
		I feel a lot of compassion for people who've gone to that side, and I understand it perfectly.
		At the same time, a lot of people, once they're in and they want to get out, they're afraid.
		I remember praying with one young man and he was afraid to pray because they would hear him.
		And I said, how can they hear you if it's just you and me praying for you to get free of this bondage And to walk out of that Satanism and just accept God and go that straight and narrow and just stay on that path, why so afraid to pray?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're a very short-term kind of society, Zeph.
		We want instant gratification, you know, instant results, and nice cars, nice homes, lots of nice things.
		And maybe people have come to believe that, and maybe there is an example that Satan can provide that.
		Of course, you know, it's pay later, right, on the pay later plan, but still.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Pay later, and you do pay with, you know, your soul.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		But the thing is, is for everyone that has all those things, there are many who are poor and are wanting to, and they're waiting, and they're doing favors for the group, for the coven, for however they're affiliated with Satan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And they do what they're told to do, and they enslave themselves to that, hoping that one day their ship's going to come in.
		Because after all, they're giving everything up in order to get the world.
		And so, but how come it hasn't come in?
		How come their ship hasn't come in?
		How come they're not rich?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess what I asked you a little while ago is how do you know there aren't a bunch of rich, well-to-do Satanists?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you are.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, and that's the temptation.
		It's the temptation, it's the lust for this life.
		But beyond that, it's, in a way, ignorance, because most of the people that I know that are there, they yearn to be out of it, but they don't know how to get out of it.
		And so there is the battle.
		And that's where that spiritual battle comes in.
		And it's every individual's battle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I'll tell you, the Satanists I've talked to, and I've talked to a few, Zeph, they didn't want out at all.
		You know, in fact, they were laughing at religion, laughing at God, laughing at that whole trip.
		No, Zeph, I didn't get that feeling at all.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I know those two, just the same type of people you're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
		I'm sure that from your point of view, you want them converted.
		You want them to understand your truth or the truth and convert.
		But the ones I've talked to, Zeph, they weren't like that at all.
		They were happy, just happy and as devoted to Satan as the most religious person that I'd have on the air, you know, trying to proselytize.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And a lot of those that seem so happy are a magnet for others to want to be like them.
unidentified		Of course.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And you get a society going that direction, and it's not hard to figure out if everyone could get in that and get the money and grab onto this life while this life is going on, they would do it if they don't value their soul.
		And that really is where the rub is.
		Is there a soul?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I was about to ask you that in the form of a more difficult question, and that is, if I were to ask you to do your very best to convince me that there's a soul, that we really have a soul, how would you do it?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I would say is this, in your quietest moments, when you have thoughts that are not timed, in other words, not geared to this temporal life, for example, the idea of love, the idea of looking at nature and seeing its beauty, the idea of listening to your own inner thoughts.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Are you your ego or are you something deeper?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And are you sure you're not confusing consciousness with soul?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the soul is conscious, and I think the ego battles the soul or tries to put it into bondage so that you think the ego, your I, is, you know, this life, the flesh, your desires, is who you are.
		But I like to say this, you are a soul.
		What is the soul?
		The soul is you without the ego.
		And who is that person?
		A lot of people don't know that person.
		Hence, they don't value that.
		They value the ego.
		The ego is the one that decides to grab on to, even though this life is fleeting, to grab on to it.
		But in Satanism, you have to remember, it is a conscious decision to give that soul up.
		People do know they're going to give something up.
		They know it's not for free.
		They know there is a price to pay.
		You don't get all that stuff for nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you fortunate that you were not sacrificed in the name of Lucifer?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's amazing to me that there was intervention, which also shows, has proven that God exists and God has had his hand on me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you in danger of being sacrificed?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I was.
		You were?
		Several times, and I remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How close?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was in a coma in Denver when I was 18, and I was given pharmaceutical phenobarbital, enough to kill about 10 people.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And this was done in a very orchestrated way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And then I was, after that, they locked me away for seven years.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And during that time, they convinced me that nothing ever happened, that I did it to myself, and that they didn't do it to me, and that I had, you know, that there are four fingers and not three.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I imagine you had to convince them that you believed that to get out, right?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was a long time.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they just, after that, my life was totally controlled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold tight right there, Zeph.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was back in the late 1800s or the early 1900s.
		I don't recall the details now, but I had the wire service story.
		Came out of the medical journals, too.
		A doctor did very carefully controlled experiments back before the PC days when you couldn't do this kind of thing.
		And he put things that were dying on a scale, a very, very, very accurate scale.
		And this doctor measured the exit of the soul and actually was able to detect the weight of a human soul at about three-quarters of an ounce, leaving the human body at the moment of death.
		That's a real story, folks.
		And somewhere I've got it, and I'll dig it out and get it on the website if I can.
		But that's what we're talking about tonight.
		In the end, we're talking about the soul.
		The human soul.
		I'm Mark Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
		Stay right where you are.
		Zef Daniel will be right back.
		You know, before you get all out of control and say, oh, no, you know, they're measuring body gases or liquids or something like that, forget it.
		All of that was taken into account in this scientific study.
		Now, of course you can't do that in the modern day.
		At least I don't think you can.
		It's politically incorrect, you know.
		Hey, you're dying.
		Hop up on that scale.
		Can't do that these days.
		Zeph, welcome back.
		Have you ever heard of that medical study?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I have, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I think that I think it's valid, and I believe the soul is a thing.
		And I believe that the soul, every soul, wants to emancipate to eternity, to where there is no death, to where there is no strife, to where there is peace.
		And the flesh, it seems, or the battle that we face is that to make things work like that in this life, to find peace, to find love, to find happiness, the flesh and the ego have to keep the soul in bondage in a way, you know, from emancipating in the spirit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you've said some things here, or I guess you said them.
		uh...
		the human soul which is what this farm called birth is all about it is a commodity bought and sold on the intergalactic market i i you know your uh...
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		that's it I'm glad you're here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like we're crude oil.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		That's something that I had seen in the spirit and that I was shown in that early time after the overdose situation.
		This is going to sound really crazy, you know, and it's not.
		The story doesn't change.
		It seemed that this facility, and I won't even call it like a psychiatric hospital.
		I don't know what exactly it was a hospital of some sort.
		But it seemed that what they were doing to the kids, most of the people there were, I was at that time 17 years old.
		And most of the people there were around my age, a little younger, maybe just slightly older.
		And what seemed to be happening to some of them, not all, but some of them, is that their souls, I don't know how this happened, but they were somehow extracted and they had a whole different personality within seemingly overnight, but they weren't the same person.
		It was like their soul, whoever they were, their essence, their you-ness, if you will, was taken out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know you just weren't observing the effect of drugs given to the patients?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		See, well, because I'd seen this over and over again, and not all of them were drugged.
		I mean, this is like literally taking one person out of his body and switching it with something that was something else.
		And that something else was a little bit more robotic, totally cooperative, and then released into the care of their parents or to the society or whatnot.
		And some of these people have gone on to do very well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The spirit of a person can be scalped and then held in various high-tech devices, boxes?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was shown a box at that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A soul box.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		If you will.
		I did not see the soul go into the box, okay?
		But I understood that to be something, some kind of alien, if you will, device.
		And one more thing, and this is going to make me sound even more crazy, but I'm just going to lay it out as best I can.
		the people there some of them in my view some of them were not human okay they were they were going they had And they were the ones orchestrating this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a strong word, Zeph.
		Alien is a strong word to interject.
		Yes.
		And so do you mean it in the most literal sense?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		In the most, well, put it this way.
		In the most literal sense that we had seen the beings that were not human.
		They're also ships.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You saw ships and you saw beings.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And it was connected, and this was all connected to this operation and to abductions and all that.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		That was all connected into.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we're going to get to abductions.
		I knew that they were connected to your story.
		In fact, you think you can explain abductions, right?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that I can explain why, in some cases, when people want to get free of the abduction syndrome, because they say, well, I didn't give permission to this.
		I'm a Christian.
		I pray the blood of Jesus on this situation.
		I'm still being abducted.
		Why is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a pretty good question, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's the answer?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		The answer has to do with the soul, with a person that what is in their soul that is blocking them from God.
		There is like an occlusion.
		And that is something that a person can remove.
		In other words, you don't need to open your heart to the Lord.
		You need to be broken down by the Lord to be built back up the way he wants.
		And this abduction and other demonic oppression sometimes will stay with a person, even though they keep praying and going through deliverance after deliverance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess I want to understand how literal you intend to fling the word alien.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you really mean alien as an alien life form from another planet, or do you mean alien as in something projected which is really either a demonic or otherwise?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's call it demonic for now.
		And even though we understand that the demonic is a hierarchy that does also have, you know, they have vessels, they can make beings, if you will.
		I don't consider them beings with souls exactly, but they can create beings.
		They have that ability.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They could create what we would regard as an alien being from another planet.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that other planet thing, again, the whole alien thing in a lot of cases is simply a cover story for the demonic oppression.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I had a feeling that was your message.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		But I don't believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it's all a cover?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's all a cover.
		No.
		I believe it's a mix, and I believe it's very complex.
		And in some cases, it is purely demonic, and in other cases, there are vessels that are real.
		Go back to the book of Enoch, and you probably are familiar with that, where the watchers, they call them the fallen angels, asked Enoch to talk to God on their behalf to see if they could get back in the good graces.
		I'm just paraphrasing.
		And the answer was strange.
		The answer was, do not pray for the watchers.
		Pray for men.
		And so they were put off.
		There was no definitive answer given to them.
		What I took from that was that, well, they're going to have their vessels.
		They're going to create what they're going to create.
		They will create their civilizations.
		They'll be allowed to do that.
		And they will have vessels.
		They will have beams.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say something here that chills me a little.
		And when I hear things coming from different sources, it bothers me.
		You talk about the moon.
		And you talk about a base on the moon.
		and this has to do with souls and the experiences of the travel of souls and the moon is there and a crystal city on the moon right the uh...
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		there's the crystal of structure that i have been And they were the watchers over the earth, or at least that's what they thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I had somebody recently tell me that there was a receiving station for souls on the moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, is that something that resonates with you?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I had said that I knew that in 1990, and it said it then, and I think I said it on an earlier show on Coast to Coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh, okay, then.
		Why have our astronauts not even seen a hint?
		I mean, they haven't at least admitted that they've seen a hint of anything untoward on the moon, not so much as anything.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm aware of that.
		And I haven't even really dwelt on it.
		I mean, that's just one experience that I had really relating when I wrote that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it's an important question.
		We had men there, and they should have seen, they orbited while they waited for their friends down on the surface, right?
		And they should have seen a crystal city.
		There should have been some transmission saying, mission control, we've got a crystal city under us at the moment, or something like that.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, perhaps it was not Visible to them, and perhaps it was more of a spiritual vision than physical or a combination.
		You know, I don't know what they have seen, what they haven't seen.
		I know what I've seen, and I know that I'm not, I haven't dwelt on that particular issue.
		I haven't been back in the spirit.
		It's just one experience that I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but it's an important one because it resonates with something, well, John Lear said to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said there was a receiving station for souls on the moon.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's mind-blowing because it confirms what I've been shown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, how can we prove it?
		It's one of those things that we can't prove.
		We can say it, but we can't prove it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but you've seen it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know it's true.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I've seen it, and in my spirit, in my soul, you know, I know what I've seen.
		And yes, I believe it is true.
		I believe there is something to this tunnel of life business that NDE experiencers have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there is something to it.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And I don't really think that it's all nice and good and beneficent and benevolent.
		And you see your relatives, and they're all coming out and waves of love, and everyone's lovey-dovey.
		It's all going to be a happy experience.
		I think it has something to do with getting permission, getting your free will, getting your consent to take the soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, Zeph, I've got to ask what's going to probably seem like a rude question, but when you're talking about incredible things, and we are talking about incredible things here, it requires some understanding.
		And in my position, I've got to ask this question.
		I mean, you were admittedly involved in satanic ritual abuse as a youngster.
		You alluded to the fact that you were in some kind of facility, I guess a psychiatric facility, or I'm just guessing, but it was that, right?
		So it's an obvious question.
		How can you be sure, Zeth, that everything you're telling me right now that you experienced, you know, I can feel it, I can hear it in your voice, that you understand, you believe it.
		But I mean, it's an obvious question.
		If you were in a psychiatric facility, how do you know that you weren't delusional?
		How do you know that you weren't observing in a delusional state other people that were in a delusional state getting medicated and so forth and so on, explaining a lot of what you've got here?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, I definitely was delusional back then.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm not delusional, but definitely mind-controlled in the sense that there were certain, quote, doctors, unquote, on my case, which made me believe that nothing like any of these things that I've said tonight had ever occurred.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And I believe, not only did I believe that I was delusional about the things that I had experienced.
		In other words, they had me turned around backwards for a good, I don't know how many years.
		Anyway, when they released me, my life was like the Truman Show.
		I mean, everyone around me was appointed, was assigned to me.
		And what they used me for, why they didn't just kill me, is they used me for things like for spiritual things.
		And for sometimes they would have me write down, you know, like an equation or ideas, things like that.
		And they would just take whatever I'd written and take it away.
		And other times they would bring me around people that were ill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And who is they?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		They, just people that were around me as a child, let's say.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Oh, significant others, teachers, friends, family, other families.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, to get out of this facility, Zeph, I assume that you had to finally agree with them that everything you had experienced was delusional and I'm better now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, they don't let you out.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		But I not only agreed with them, Art, I really, really believed that I was mistaken.
		In fact, the memory was even gone.
		I had no real memory of the trauma, the things that I had seen.
		There were people that had been killed and all kinds of things.
		And I had no, I could not believe that that could be true.
		It just went against everything in my soul.
		Everything that I...
		Well, later on in my life, the programming obviously fell apart.
		And at that time, there were a bunch of people that were coming around, again, assigned to me to put the programming back.
		And they don't really care much if you feel suicidal or go to the doctor or tell them you need medication.
		They don't mind that.
		What they mind is that the truth would come out and that you would be conscious of the system around you, the society, of the people around you, and what they were all about.
		And as I said, I think they use people like us, those who have, I guess, are not them.
		They use us for certain spiritual things.
		It's the only reason I can't think of another reason I'd be alive right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you sound reasonable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying fantastic things, you know, but you do sound pretty reasonable and not in a delusional state right now.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so.
		Well, what happened is I had, I guess what you would call in the, you know, just a few years ago, like a total breakdown of everything.
		Everything flooded back.
		All the memories flooded back.
		I suddenly looked around and I saw people and I understood that they were assigned to me and I understood this whole thing was so bizarre.
		And I cried out to God then.
		That's how that began.
		And I just said, look, I'm too.
		I know they want me to kill myself.
		And I know they're going to kill me.
		And I'm beyond even caring anymore.
		But God, if you're there, help me.
		And I felt that the present within me, you know, speaking to me, talking to me, and saying that I am your father, I'll never leave you nor forsake you.
		And you have been hurt.
		And he began to fill in all the blanks, and I would catch the information with the people that were in the know, and it was all true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Zeb, how old are you now?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I'm 50.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when did all of this dark period in your life begin?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many years ago now?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would be in the year 2000 when the in 1990 it broke and then I was kind of put back together and then in 2000 it finally completely collapsed.
		The idea that the world was the way I thought it was and that the society I was born into is the way I thought it was and the people around me were the way I thought they were and they weren't assigned to it.
		You know, later I find out I'm like, everyone around me is assigned to me and I'm like, what is this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well that wasn't very long ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've only been out of this period of darkness for a relatively short time.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		A very short time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Seth.
		Listen, hold on.
		We're here at the top of the hour, so take a break.
		This is some pretty wild stuff.
		And this is one of those programs you can listen to and, you know, definitely make your own decisions about.
		Actually, they're all that way.
		It is the unusual we deal with on this program.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Zeph Daniel, actually.
		Zeph Daniel, he's quite a case, all right.
		He had an early life of satanic ritual abuse.
		He then apparently spent quite a bit of his, quite a number of his adult years, I guess, in a psychiatric institution.
		And there are many fast-blasting me, suggesting that what we're hearing is a psychiatric problem.
		We'll ask him about that.
		I mean, it's fair.
		It's absolutely fair.
		On the other hand, what he may have experienced may be absolutely real.
		It does resonate with a number of things that other people have said.
		And if he does know something about the soul, then we have every obligation to ask.
		and reincarnation or what that song just suggested is certainly one of those things and and By the way, Zeph Daniels has written a book called Lamb.
		Zeph, what is Lamb?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Lamb is about a lot of this, what I'm talking about tonight.
		It's about several different characters.
		It's also a prophetic story about terrorism and earth changes.
		And lambs are, well, I've identified them as people that are not on the dark side at all.
		These are people that belong to God and just don't go the way of the world.
		They're just God's own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mostly undecided voters.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, undecided or decided to be with him and not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Zeph, look, I've got to ask you this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, with the history you just laid on us, ritual, satanic abuse, years in a psychiatric facility, it's obvious I'm going to get messages fast last Santa.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, the guy's crazy.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Everyone thinks I'm crazy like that because they're not.
		The ones that are listening, that are hearing what I'm saying in the spirit, who are spiritual people, they know that what I've been through.
		A lot of them have been through the same thing, unfortunately.
		And others that, hey, God bless everyone that they think I'm crazy and they want to just write me off that way.
		I understand.
		If I were them, I'd probably think the same thing if I had their experience.
		They haven't had my experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's fair.
		They haven't had your experience.
		That's right.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you torture somebody, and, you know, things get pretty messed up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure they do.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Sexual abuse of children is a problem.
		And I told you, the reason why it's done is there's a purpose to it.
		There's a clinical reason for it, and that's to dislodge the soul.
		This is tantamount to permission for the indwelling of a demonic entity that grows up as that person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To those people, Zeph, who are saying, you know, you're crazy, you're still crazy, you know, is there any way in your own mind or for us that you can make us understand that what happened to you is real, not a delusion, not craziness?
		I mean, for a lot of my life, Zeph, I thought that there probably are quite a few people in mental institutions that aren't crazy.
		They just seem crazy to us.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the things.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		If you had time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is a long radio program.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, first of all, thank you for being patient with me.
		And, you know, through all what might sound pretty out there.
		And if people want to know more about me, the fast blasters out there that are saying crazy and all that, if they want to indulge themselves, they can go to Zephnet.com.
		And there there's over 2,000 writings, I think something like that, 1,000 at least, maybe 1,500.
		I began these writings in the year 2002 in March.
		And it was my spiritual journey, healing journey, if you will.
		And they can follow that and look through the archives.
		There's about 100 and some odd hours of audio there.
		There's interviews I've conducted with others.
		They can look at all that and try to figure out if I'm crazy or not.
		They can get the book Lamb from Amazon.com, and there's a link on our links page.
		And they can see people who are mind-controlled that did military ops, people who are mind-controlled that they tried to mind control and it didn't work, who have fought back in the spirit.
		They can see the earth changes and things that we predict are going to be happening, which indeed are beginning to happen now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot that's happening right now.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And I was used throughout my life, Art, for, if you like, they used me for spiritual reasons.
		And one of those was to find out what I knew about what was going to happen in the future or if I could.
		I suppose when people cut themselves off from God, they weren't somebody who's still connected around, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So those around you thought you were...
		You were touched, as it were, right?
		In other words, you had some insight that wasn't just pure hallucination and mental illness, but was very real.
		And so they were using you knowing that something real was going on with you.
		Is that right?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And there were lots of confirmations along the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, like what?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
		This was just one example.
		There was a, one time I had a, oh, you might call him a social worker I was mad at.
		And I had seen, either I had seen, you know, I don't want to say that any kind of prophet plays a role in the fulfilled prophecy.
		I said, your house is going to be struck by lightning tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now that.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And then after that, everyone sort of backed off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would be included in that bunch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Really?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		But I don't feel like...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but that's on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somehow that's on the record somewhere?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not on a record that you could read.
		I suppose you could track him down.
		He told me at one point about this, and I can't go into a lot of the names and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, please don't.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Because it would blow your mind, totally.
		You can research me elsewhere for that.
		And I don't do a lot of names.
		I hate dropping names anyway.
		I don't hate people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't drop names.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Okay, but in this place, that social worker later on, when we were just both two sovereign individuals talking to each other, he said he felt very guilty of the part he played in my life and others.
		Because he said he knew we weren't crazy.
		He knew he didn't belong there.
		He knew why we were there.
		He was just, you know, the whole thing was a sham.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		In other words, he was covering for the Satanists.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And that's why he kept telling me over and over, and they kept pounding me to repeat this story that there was no such thing as anything I had ever seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This incident that you caused.
		I don't think I did.
		Did you cause it, or did you simply observe The immediate future?
		Was it a precognitive thing, or don't you worry a little bit, Zeph, that you caused it?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's been a lot of things similar to that and also positive things that I don't think I consciously sat there like, say, you know, like a witch might do and take a voodoo or do a ritual to get something to happen.
		I didn't do that.
		It was just this quick, I don't know, almost spiritual indignation.
		It was just, this is going to happen, and it did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds a little carryish, you know.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		It did, yeah, that does come to mind.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was a person that was obviously totally abused and picked on by these awful bullies, and then, you know, but she had spiritual gifts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, right.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And those came to bear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I see a little parallel there, don't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Possibly.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		It could be, but I've also had, it's strange.
		I have been had kind of a healing gift on people as well.
		And I'm not sure.
		I'll be talking to somebody about something totally unrelated.
unidentified		Yes.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And their life would change.
		And I know that in the spirit something was going on.
		I was being used.
		Everything that happens, I like to think is God's will ultimately, and that we are used to affect his will.
		And our ego likes to think it's in charge, but I think God's in charge ultimately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But how do you know that was God?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, usually when you're petitioning for a lightning bolt to hit somebody.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was mad at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, you just wouldn't think God would be pleased being asked for the lightning bolt.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was so quick, though, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So are you sure it came from God?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it came from...
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I just can't say that I did it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd be very concerned, though.
		I mean, you know, in that moment, I am interested to know, in that moment when you realized that a lightning bolt was going to hit his house, let me think about this.
		Did it just come to you that that was going to happen, or you did admit you were angry?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I was angry, and I blurted it out, and I saw it as I was blurting it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, no, that really sounds like you did that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or you lying to yourself.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		It's a fine line there, Art.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		But it's...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You weren't screwing with the clouds behind my house earlier.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		anyway that was just kind of incident maybe you know something about I've always been curious about reincarnations, F. Are souls recycled?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		What I have to say about time and eternity and the soul is the soul is eternal, and reincarnation is too simplistic.
		What I've seen regarding the soul and regarding what's possible with incarnations, if you will, it would sound like another bizarre story, but what I've seen is that people actually, souls have the capacity to multiply incarnate.
		In other words, you could be in five different time zones at once and be conscious, say, of one.
		And some souls go to and fro from eternity and they're here, and then they're also in eternity, if you will.
		And they're not conscious of that life in eternity.
		They're conscious of being here, but they're also conscious of being eternal.
		And they can incarnate anywhere along the timeline.
		The timeline, there is no time, so everything that has ever happened or will happen is all concurrent.
		And so as souls advance, you know, there are things that are so mind-boggling.
		The soul is made in the image and likeness of God himself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I guess you're saying there is not reincarnation.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's just the word re.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		If you just say incarnation and the possibilities of that soul going to and fro from eternity or being in different timelines, like a soul could be, you know, in various incarnations at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So reincarnation as in a singular event is too simplistic to describe what happens.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, it just, you know, different people look at it different ways.
		In the West, we have this idea of reincarnation as being something desirable, you know, like you're going to live on into another life, don't worry about it.
		In the East, they want to get out of it.
		In other words, the idea of being born over and over to suffer and die, they don't like, you know, how do you get off that wheel of reincarnation?
		So we have two different views of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Supposed to achieve perfection, I think.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And yes, and souls are about, the whole point of the soul and the learning and the emancipation of the soul is to learn to get to that point of eternity, to get free of death and suffering and hatred and all those things that bind us, that imprison us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it sounds like there's a real dangerous path for the soul to potentially follow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, with scalpers along the way who could toss you into a box to...
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		In other words, somewhere in that person's life, in that person's soul, there must be some kind of a permission, like say for the abduction scenario, you may pray overtly about it and you're still being abducted.
		Why is that?
		We know so many cases like that, you know, for example, that it's undeniable that people have prayed and not been delivered from that kind of affliction.
		Some of that abduction stuff is just demonic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much of it do you think is demonic, Zeth?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I think a good part of it is demonic.
		In other words, it occurs in dreams.
		It occurs like, for example, you've heard of astral projection.
		Astral projection, astral travel.
		Well, it's more of an astral experience.
		And then some is literal, where there's literal hybridization.
		I know people that have been impregnated over And over, and the fetus taken out at three months.
		That story that we've heard, I know people that have gone through that and been free of it for a while and then been brought back in.
		And let's look at the soul of that person.
		Okay, so what is that soul needing?
		Why is that happening to that soul?
		It seems to me, and this is my opinion, that every soul receives in this life, in any life, what it needs to emancipate.
		So, for example, let's say you get a lot of bad treatment in life.
		Over and over, the same pattern happens.
		You get the same kind of rejection or the same kind of thing that happens.
		What is it the soul is needing?
		Is it needing for you to break your hatred of something?
		Is there something you're holding on to, a resentment that's somehow causing that pattern to occur again and again until you let go, until you forgive, until you love, until you will get beyond that?
		That pattern will continue.
		Why can't we just pray and have that pattern go away?
		Why does it have to repeat?
		And I believe it's because the soul needs that to finally break the person of something.
		It may not be related exactly to that, say, rejection, in order for that soul to then be released to the next thing, to the next level.
		And so therefore, each person is on a different level spiritually.
		Each soul is on a different level of learning.
		And what has to happen is that person must take responsibility, first of all, for their lives, for what happens to them.
		In my case, I've got to take responsibility for being born into an abusive situation, having been hurt.
		I can't blame other people.
		I must understand at the soul level why I needed it, or my soul needed it for some reason.
		Why?
		And that's my field of inquiry.
		That's what I have to be about in order to get beyond it, to get free, to get healed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't think you're just saying that to yourself to comfort yourself, do you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That my soul had to go through this ritual abuse, this horrible abuse I went through.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, I did that for a number of years.
		I blamed and blamed and blamed.
		And I was mad and angry that I was being abused like anyone would be.
		And, you know, it didn't seem to do any good.
		And it just, after, I don't know how many years of similar treatment and, you know, similar things popping up elsewhere with people unrelated to the earlier situation, I'm going, well, now here's a repeating pattern.
		Now, am I doing something to bring that about?
		Is there something in my behavior that's bringing about a repeating pattern?
		If so, then I've got to eradicate it.
		Well, it wasn't behavior.
		It had something to do with a deep level of forgiveness in the soul, first of all.
		Forgiving the parents, let's say, and forgiving God.
		Because I found out I harbored a deep, deep hatred of God.
		Because how could he do that to me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now you don't hate him because you have realized...
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, when I find...
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		It's almost as soon as I got to that point of understanding, it had to be a deep understanding and a forgiveness and a letting go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		All those things stopped happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Zeph, hold tight.
		We're going to go to the phones pretty quickly with Zeph Daniel, and I'm going to let you ask questions.
		He's a very interesting man in a whole lot of different ways.
		I suppose the initial thing is, well, he's crazy.
		Well, you know what?
		Listen more carefully.
		Maybe he's not.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
		Crazy or crazy like a fox?
		Zeph Daniel is my guest, and on the one hand, it's a crazy story he's telling, right?
		But then on the other hand, maybe it's exactly the way it is, and maybe those people who used him realized that he had had an experience that was not just delusional, but had real meaning.
		and of course and there was a guy who's lightning and the house got hit by lightning when zeph told them it would the next day and it did the the the
		We're about to go to the telephones with Zeph Daniel, who again, whose book, he's written a book called Lamb.
		And we're discussing, I guess, the human soul mostly.
		And Zeph, I've got a couple things I would like to ask, if you don't mind, before we do that, before we go to the phones, which should be extremely interesting.
		NDEs, when a person, you know, I've interviewed many, many people over the years, Zeph, who have had NDEs, and they do all describe just about the same thing, the tunnel, the light, the relatives, the whole Magilla.
		It comes so frequently and it's so similar that it's hard not to believe when you get the collective evidence together.
		And I've really talked to experts about this, F. I mean, psychologists and people who have done a lot of the hypnosis.
		I mean, they've really done serious clinical work and they believe in it.
		But what do you think is really happening when a person is experiencing so-called near-death?
		What's happening, really?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, the only thing I can tell you about that tunnel of light is that I have been, again, this is in the spirit, for many years, warned, don't go into that light.
unidentified		Oh, God.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, here we are.
		So, all right.
		Have you been listening to a lot of John Lear?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John told me, as you think you know.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		This is strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John Lear told me that Whitley Streetman told him, if I have it straight, and I hope I do this time, that you don't go to the light.
		You go to the darkness.
		The light is a trick.
		Now, that plagues me that that was said to me, and you're going to sit here and tell me that's right, aren't you?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Not only that, but I had said this in 1990 and 1992.
		You did?
		Is there any record of that?
		There's no record.
		I'm just saying I'm very happy to have this kind of confirmation that I'm not the only one that thought that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea how that screws up the average Christian kind of person, even if you're not a Christian?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you understand how badly that messes with our minds?
unidentified		Well, I'm a Christian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We all know the light is good.
		We all know the darkness is bad.
		I mean, most Christians do.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		So I'm a gospel-believing, Jesus-loving Christian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you'd go to the dark.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And I would go to the dark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		But I have known about that since 1990.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, what do we have up, or I guess I should say, down there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, these poor lambs, to grab the title of your book, who walk into the light and then off the cliff into the pits of burning sewage.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what's going to happen to them.
		Look, all I know is for me personally, it's don't go in there.
		And I know other people would succumb.
		Now, here's what I think is going on there.
		It's the idea of getting, again, permission.
		Permission, free will, very important.
		Free will and permission.
		So getting this sort of permit.
		Now, when a soul is taken in that way, say permission is given and that soul goes on a journey through the light and they're going to go somewhere else, let's say.
		Let's say they wind up being traded or used in a hybrid or who knows, any number of things.
		Or they wind up back on earth or who knows where they're going to go.
		It's not over yet for that soul.
		Right?
		The soul is eternal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So let's look at the light as maybe a mistake or maybe a limitation rather than rather than an absolutely final decision.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Okay?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And that's very important because I really don't believe that that's the end-all and be-all mistake.
unidentified		That's it.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		You're in hell.
		No, I don't believe that if a person goes into the light, that's it.
		I don't believe that.
		I'm just saying for me, where my particulars are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They might spend a little time as a pig.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Who knows where they're going to go?
		But for my particular soul track, it's not there.
		I have a real intense need to go to eternity, so that's where I want to go.
		I don't want to go into more various incarnations or various whatever it is out there that the soul will continue to go through.
		So that's been my experience.
unidentified		Zeph, Zeph, Zeph, what if you're wrong?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wouldn't be wrong for me, but maybe this information would be wrong for someone else's soul.
		Maybe someone else's soul needs to go through that.
		I can understand that.
		Each soul is different.
		Each soul is on a different track.
		And what's right for me may not be right for you or someone else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but it sounds like sort of an absolute knowledge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The darkness is the place to go, not the light.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Perfectly backwards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perfectly backwards.
		And somehow, I don't know.
		Ever since I've heard this, it's bugged the you-know-what out of me because it was always an easy choice before.
		God is up there with the light.
		The devil and the burning pits are down there in the darkness.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		But see, the things on earth, for example, the things of the devil look really godly.
		They've got a sheen to them.
		They're beautiful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you wouldn't think that God would engage at that critical juncture in a person's life slash death in, you know.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, did you take the wrong turn kind of joke on souls?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And is that soul harboring or is lodged in that soul some sort of resentment toward God?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Is there more sentence?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the minute you head into the darkness and it was wrong, you'd be resentful as all hell.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I just don't think there's a mistake in that situation.
		I think that maybe, you know, the other, wherever that confirmation of what I had seen came from, maybe that's Where their soul track is leading, where mine is.
		So we have a confirmation, and perhaps a lot of people won't agree, and they want to go to that light, and they want that love from their relatives.
		I mean, wouldn't it be logical that we would want the love and the connection and the spiritual blessing of being connected in an eternal state, in a spiritual state with our lost loved ones, to know that it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some of them, yes.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, anyway, for some of us, we're not going that way.
		That's all.
		And people are going to make their own decisions.
		And I just don't think there's a mistake necessarily.
		But if you know the knowledge, if this rings true in your spirit, and then you go against what you know, if this makes sense to you, what I'm saying, to go to the dark in that particular situation, then you violate that and go to the light and suffer.
		Well, you knew better.
		And then you went against what you knew.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		God, that's incredible.
		All right.
		Soul travel, the ability to travel with your soul, outside the body, astral travel.
		I also have interviewed endless numbers of really good people on this subject, and they claim absolutely soul travel, astral travel is real.
		And you agree with that, it's real, right?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree that there is travel in this.
		There's two methods of this.
		One is self-willed travel.
		That is, let's say you want to be a sorcerer and you want to go from point A to point B doing your will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's one thing.
		That's astral travel.
		But when you're talking about, say, being a servant of God and going in the spirit where he takes you, then that's soul travel or spirit travel, traveling in the spirit.
		For example, when John traveled through time to view Revelation, let's say when he was writing down the book of Revelation, he traveled in the spirit.
		And then he wrote down what he saw in the past tense because he had seen it.
		So he traveled.
		A good friend of mine traveled to this Dulcie base at the will of the Lord to dislodge the souls.
		In other words, to liberate the souls from, he said there were thousands of people kept captive down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At Dulcie?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		At Dulcie.
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our government or aliens or representatives of the dark side, more likely, I guess you would think?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a subject of inquiry now.
		That's a service that we're doing with Dulcie.
		And he ministered in the spirit to those souls to leave those bodies that they have, you know, locked up in cages and some experiments.
		And he said someone uses food for these hybrid or alien beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
		Wait a minute.
		That we fed human souls to aliens?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Not human souls, but that the experiments that were done, let's say, I said, well, what happens when they're done with an experiment?
		Say you do a genetic experiment on a human body and you make some abomination.
		What do they do with him?
unidentified		You say, you write it up for food and they eat it.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, I said, well, so what did you do?
		He said, he went there and preached to them about God and about the liberation, and they all left.
		And I said, well, then they left husks down there.
		So what does that mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Husks.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Are they just a bunch of husks down in Dulcie?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		They're not actually people with souls anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Empty containers.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Empty containers now.
		And that was the work that we've been doing.
		And I had been involved in something similar to that earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you aware of whether our government is intermixed and mingled in all of this in some way?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can't say who's the government.
		I mean, you have the government you see on TV.
		I doubt they're down there, right?
		Then you have this so-called shadow government.
		And people say that there are certain military factions of the military and other things.
		We've had testimony from people who have been in a shootout down there with...
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this would only be the shadow government.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I just, you know, if you're caught up in that whole thing, boy, that's a conundrum.
		Again, you're in a spiritual position of evil.
		And who knows where all that's going to lead?
		And what is involved with this Dulce thing?
		I was given a prophecy about this, about someone was talking about an alien invasion or a fake rapture with the aliens coming up.
		And I was shown just two days ago a vision of how of an invasion, but it was an internal invasion.
		It would begin in dreams.
		People would start having dreams now of these beings.
		And they would have dream abductions and dream experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And those could be very harsh with these entities because only you're saying these really aren't dreams.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These really are abductions.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		No, no, they're dreams, but the purpose of the invasion coming in dreams first is to get permission from people to be taken.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That old free will thing.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And so now they're going to start, this oppression is going to be terrible.
		It's involving perhaps half the planet.
		And many people are going to start having these collective alien dreams of, and they could also be couched in other terms.
		In other words, it doesn't have to be like aliens with bug-eyes and ships and all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And all of this just hit you two days ago.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		This was, well, there's a lot to this, Art.
		I think that one of my purpose at this point is to fight this whole thing in the spirit.
		And I'm a spiritual warrior, so I fight that particular aspect of human oppression, which is the, and I put in big quotes, the alien situation, because it's quite a mystery.
		But in the spirit, it's no mystery.
		It's the oppression and enslaving of human Beings, and I'm very against that.
		So we fight that anyway.
		Prophetically, I'm warning people that if you start having these kinds of dreams, seek God and seek Him in this way.
		Don't just say, Oh, please fix this.
		I'm having nightmares, you know, or precursors of more horrible things to come.
		You know, maybe I've been going the wrong way in life, but Father, could you just carry me along or just show me something?
		I'm going to just lay myself open to you.
		You know, submit, give up, you know, lay back.
		Don't engage your will, but ask in earnest to be helped with this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's the only way it's going to stop.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		If you want to put God in a box and ask Him questions based on answers you want to get, nothing's going to happen there.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		God's not going to be put in a box, and He may not deal with you the way you want to be dealt with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Zeph.
		I have no way of knowing what awaits you on these blinking lines in front of me.
		Could be anything, Zeph.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		It could be.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I'm ready for anything, all right, Beth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you need to be.
		And here it comes.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Zeph Daniel.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, good evening.
unidentified		Thank you, and God bless both of you guys.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		God bless you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		You know, I've got a question for you, Zeph.
		You know, I've been listening to what you've been saying.
		While I was driving down the interstate, I was cutting in and out.
		But I did catch a lot on what you were saying about your dreams as far as your psychic will.
		I know that's definitely the wrong term, but I do have definitely had dreams.
		Earthquakes in China, planes going down in Nova Scotia, things of that nature two and three days before these things are happening.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Now you get one point here.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Have you warned people?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you warned people?
unidentified		No, because for so long in my life I've had these types of dreams that I've been told as a young child, discount them, that's the devil, it's nothing, to worry about it, you're just seeing things.
		I've been told I was crazy quite a bit.
		No.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		You've been told you, well, hey, this is a good call, Art.
unidentified		Yeah.
		You know?
		And, you know, I walked around.
		I've got a wife.
		I've got kids.
		I've got a family.
		I have a job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, Zeth is married too, right, Zeth?
		Yes.
		And your wife sounded quite nice.
		She called earlier to confirm the telephone connection, and I thought she sounded quite nice.
		What does she think about all this, Zeth?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, she's been, we've been together since 1992, and so she's been a witness to the whole process that I've gone through.
unidentified		Has she confirmed any of this for you?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
		And she just told me on one of the breaks, she said, you know, it's not just you, but she's seen the ships.
		She's seen restoration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, you know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what, Zeph, call her, can you hang on a minute?
unidentified		Sure, thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'm going to put you back on hold.
		Hey, Zeph.
		Yeah.
		Oh, darn it.
		I think I've got him.
		Zeph, put your wife on.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Okay, hold on a sec, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Seems a reasonable thing to do now, doesn't it?
		I don't know why.
		She lives with him, and I mean, a lot of this is very, very, very fantastic stuff.
		But then, on the other hand, his delivery is quite cogent.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		Patricia.
unidentified		Patricia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Patricia, you know.
unidentified		A lot of people call me Trish these days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Trish.
		Then we'll make it Trish.
		Trish, listen, a lot of what your husband says is pretty out there for a lot of people.
		On the other hand, it's very cogent, as I just observed before you got on the line.
		And you've lived with your husband now since, what, 92, was it?
unidentified		Let's see.
		Oh, what year is this?
		2004?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think.
unidentified		92 we got together?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So, a long time.
		Yes.
		How can you confirm what Zeph is saying?
		I mean, have you observed anything that really strongly leads you to believe that what Zeph is saying is dead on?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've seen ships?
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		And even before I met him.
		But the most awesome thing was that night when he surrendered, you know, to God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And that was such an awesome thing.
		I mean, it was a complete change for both of our lives because, you know, we'd always known God, but we never really knew him like we did then.
		And he's the one that, you know, filled in the blanks and, you know, taught us what was going on.
		And, you know, I wanted to say that during the time when a lot of the programming was unraveling for Zeph, when he was starting to come out of denial and heal,
		start to heal, you were a great input right there because a lot of the stuff, the weird stuff that had gone on in our lives, you know, such as, you know, quote-unquote aliens or whatever, demonic, this and that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've seen it.
unidentified		What Gene talked about on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen these aliens?
unidentified		I have seen some weird stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I'm going to come back to you for a minute when we get back from the break.
		So you hold on to the phone and let Zeph relax for a few minutes, all right?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
		Zeph and his wife are my guests at the moment.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, what do you think, Poopy?
		Is life a circle?
		Has she sang?
		Or is it a straight line?
		Do you go to the light or do you go to the darkness?
		Is the light really a trick?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		My guest is Zeth Daniel, and now his wife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		for a few more moments will be right back the the the To be sure, a lot of what Zeph Daniels says is pretty wild stuff.
		I mean, it's absolutely out there.
		There's no question about it.
		And his wife is on the line.
		I couldn't resist.
		She's willing.
		Bless your heart for doing it.
		I mean, what have you seen that would tend to confirm you said you saw, you've seen ships, you've seen aliens.
		What can you describe to me that you've seen that validates all of this?
		And how did it happen?
unidentified		Well, Art, it's lovely talking to you.
		I guess what I've seen mostly is I've gone through a period of, well, close to 15 years now with Jeff, and I'm really grateful that Yahweh, our Creator, has given me him as my husband and my soulmate.
		Because I guess in my own soul track, I needed to hook up with him and be a blessing to him and him be a blessing to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Soulmates, it's called.
		I've got that.
		But what has confirmed for you the things that he's telling me tonight?
		I mean, you've been there listening.
unidentified		Well, like, for instance, what specifically would you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		I can confirm the tunnel thing.
		I remember we were living in Laguna Nigel at the time, and he was just on a rampage.
		He was like, you know, whatever you do, don't fall for that one.
		And then shortly after that, the John Lear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about the light and the darkness?
unidentified		Yeah, like going into the tunnel thing.
		And at the time, I was like, I don't even really know what you're talking about.
		And then, but in the spirit, I did, and I was like, oh, that's a warning.
		And a strange thing happened when my own father passed away.
		My last conversation with him on the phone.
		I was living in Malibu, California, we were at the time.
		And he's in Alaska, right?
		And he's dying.
		And he says, and I'm like, oh, upset because I'm not there to help.
		I feel like I should be doing something.
		And I can't get away because we're in the middle of this film thing.
		And he says, it's okay, honey.
		Everything's going to be all right.
		And he goes, don't trust the aliens.
		This is my dad, you know, like, this is straight.
		And I'm like, okay, dad, I know.
		I never have trusted him, you know.
		And my first sighting of a weird flying saucer type thing, I guess, was when I was 14 in Alaska, you know, that happened.
		I've seen other things.
		I've seen interdimensional beings.
		I've seen winged demons.
		I've seen all kinds of weird stuff.
		But I can tell you one thing, Jeff is a healer, and I knew that when I first met him, and now more and more I've seen that come to pass with a lot of people being blessed by what he does.
		He could read the phone book to somebody, and something will happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Listen, I want to thank you for coming on the phone.
		Go ahead and hand it back.
unidentified		Well, it's great to talk to you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to talk to you.
		And go ahead and hand it back to your husband.
		And thank you for coming on.
unidentified		Thank you, and God bless you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You as well.
		All right.
		Back now to Zeph.
unidentified		Yes, all right.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I'm back.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was interesting, certainly, to hear.
		And now, you know, you're going to leave me the way John Lear did, now even more in doubt about all this for the rest of my life.
		And then I don't know what.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		So you're healed, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what I am.
		Anyway, listen, I've had this caller on hold.
		I'm bringing him back now because I don't think we were done.
		Call, you're back on.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
		Thanks for bringing me back on, guys.
		The point I was trying to get to and the question that I have specifically, you know, most of the visions and the dreams that I have because these all come to me just as dream state, just hitting that good deep sleep, or usually coming right out.
		Why am I getting a lot of these lately, specifically related To brothers, sisters.
		The last one I had in particular was: I saw a specific site situation inside a vehicle where she was having an affair.
		Why am I seeing these sorts of things and why do they come to me?
		And what is this curse or is it a gift?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And all of these dreams are true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, manifest themselves in real life, right?
unidentified		They're materializing, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that must have been a troubling last one you had.
		Zeph, all right.
		Well, you said there would be a lot of dreams beginning, right?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		That's right, and that's also biblical about this time we're in.
		And the dreams mean that he's being called to service.
		He's being called to warn people.
		He's being called to let others know, to not keep this bottled up, but the more that you use this gift to warn and to help people, the more you'll actually, maybe this is a curse in a sense, but the more you'll be given.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I have a friend, a very close friend of mine, Zeph, a fellow named Daniel Brinkley.
		And he was struck by lightning.
		And because of that lightning strike, he gained a power that over the years has begun to fade.
		But when it was at its peak, which was immediately following the trauma, when he was recovered enough to begin experiencing the things that he experienced, I know for a fact that he had powers.
		He could visualize things.
		He could write down.
		if you had an enemy uh...
		he could he could draw he could draw a picture of the enemies house and car and that person and oh my god he was And that was a trauma, the trauma of a lightning bolt being virtually electrocuted, fried alive.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you see in the spirit, you see ahead of what comes in the physical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your trauma was early in life and ritualistic abuse.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I'll tell you, just to give an example of what happens to people, a lot of them dissociate, and you've heard of MPD, multiple personalities.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And then, of course, they'll try to use those and program those altars to produce what they want.
		One thing you can say about it.
		Now, this is highly organized, bloodline elite, over-generation Satanism.
		It's not something you read about on the Internet.
		You'll never see anything about this on the net.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long have you been a listener, Zeph?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, I listened to you in the early 90s, and then it's been on and off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you listened through the years that I interviewed Father Malachi Martin?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		You know, I listened very briefly once in a while, but I'll tell you one interview you did with him that, Stock, because I understood this.
		And I also understand, I know of him and his work.
		But when he talked about the possession and the perfectly possessed vessel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		He used that term perfectly possessed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He simply said that these people were ordinary people that you would pass and will pass in the street every single day who have made a deal with the devil.
		They've just simply made a quiet, comfortable deal with the devil.
		And as a result of that quiet, comfortable deal, they're perfectly possessed.
		He said, I know them when I pass them on the street.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know them from the death because you feel the death.
		You feel the cold death.
		There's no light.
		Now, what these people have to do, once you've done that, is you must get power from external source.
		You do things to get power.
		You might get close to someone who hasn't made that deal and siphon off a little of their life force, if you will.
		And you are given the power to do that like a vampire, like a psychic vampire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And they'll do that to keep that light, to keep them fading out.
		But they're very...
		You make that deal with the devil, and you become dead, in a sense, and you have to start feeding.
		And feeding is any number of things, but that's the curse.
		That's why I feel sorry for them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is not a deal that has to be made, according to Father Martin, by the horned one appearing before you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is simply something you only have to think and agree to.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Consent, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you agree with that?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I agree that consent, free will, is the key.
		But if you decide right now, I mean, I could decide right now that I'm going to consent.
		And I'll bet you anything that I would see a whole bunch of sudden magical blessings occur.
		That, for example, I might find a check in the mailbox.
		I might find an opportunity.
		A door opens to publish millions of copies of books or whatever.
		Something like that would happen to confirm my quiet consent.
		And then I would open that door and I'd go through that door and I'd go down that path and I'd meet other people and pretty soon and all of a sudden and down the road a little ways and then I'm really in it then, you see, because once I'm down that far and I've taken the money and I've taken the deal and I've taken the stuff, now let's say suddenly I'd say, oh gosh, I made a mistake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Too late.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I don't, how am I going to get out of it?
		I guess I could pay with my life.
		I could say, let them kill me, and that would be my penance for what I did.
		But I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, back to the lines.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Zeph Daniel.
		Hello.
unidentified		Zeph, thank you so much for all the validation, and I want to praise you for being brave enough to come on and speak of such things.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Praise the Lord for.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Because I don't have any.
unidentified		Yeah, I understand that.
		I've had an interesting path myself, but the thing that I'm interested in finding out from you is what things do you do or have you done to discern God's will?
		I know I've done things Like, open the Bible at random and have the answers there.
		I've used a coin to flip before.
		Some people use a pendulum.
		I'm just curious as to what means.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
		All right, all right.
		Let's ask.
		In other words, when you ask for a sign, God, give me a sign!
		Something!
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, a good way of phrasing that would be, how do you know it's not the devil tricking you?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And how do you know it's God?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question, yes.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		You know, and one, the very best way I know is to get quiet time alone where I can say and just ask the question, just like I'd be talking on the phone here.
		That's, you know, in prayer.
		People say it's in prayer, but I think we need to do more than just pray once in a while.
		You need to be in a relationship.
		And you're going, well, God, is that you?
		Or is that something else?
		Is that my own ego?
		Is that a demon?
		Is that you?
		And you kind of stumble along.
		I think we all stumble and we all struggle with this.
		And sometimes we are deceived.
		And then we learn a lesson.
		Oftentimes when we make a mistake and we say, oh, that's God's will, it was really my will.
		You stumble, you fall.
		And then you get back up.
		And then you dust yourself off and you say, hey, I learned something there.
		And maybe that lesson sticks and you don't do it again.
		You know, there's no guarantee we're not going to have pain.
		And we're not going to make mistakes.
		We're going to make mistakes.
		And every time we make a mistake, I guess ultimately, you know, if the soul keeps progressing, it would always be God's will in the end.
		But in terms of that kind of discernment, that has to come in time.
		That's why they call wise men wise men because they are better at that discernment.
		And foolish men are foolish men.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you should, accidentally, I guess, walk into a traditional church and the preacher's up there saying, come to God's light, do you stand up and shout, no?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're not talking about that tunnel after death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, the light, the darkness.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, if he says, come to the light, you know, the light is Christ.
unidentified		But, I mean, doesn't that set up the trickery?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Light, light, light.
		God, God, God.
		Association, right?
		Light.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		We do know this.
		This is kind of tricky territory, if you will.
		That Lucifer appears as often as an angel of light.
		A lot of the things of the devil are beautiful, and they look godly, and you're going, whoa, you know, it can impress you that way.
		And at the same time, he also appears as the angel of darkness and evil.
		But he goes everywhere on that continuum.
		He's everywhere.
		He's good and bad, but in relative earthly terms rather than ultimate objective absolute terms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Zeph, is life a circle or a straight line?
		Don't answer that.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Zeph Daniel.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		All right, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		Okay.
		First off, I just want to make a short statement.
		Zeph is absolutely correct.
		I know where you're at with this.
		I've been going through this all my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Man, you're back in a thousand here, Zeph.
unidentified		And the thing is, is that this material world is just the material world.
		It is the spiritual or soul that he's talking about.
		That is what's real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		My question is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Let me go turn it off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The first rule.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First rule of Talktum is turn off your radio.
unidentified		There it is.
		It's off.
		All right, good.
		Okay.
		The question I wanted to ask him is because he was talking about dreams and stuff.
		And I just wanted to ask him, have you had the dream with the fire raining down out of the sky?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I have had that dream before, but not recently.
unidentified		Okay.
		You mentioned the moon and this thing that was on the moon.
		It was shown to me that the moon was hollow.
		And so whatever it is that you were saying that you were shown in the spirit, I don't think it's on the surface.
		I think it's hollow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you know that NASA actually did some experiments with detonations of some sort on the moon and got all this ringing that was really weird that they could explain it?
unidentified		Are you serious?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm always serious about this sort of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they got a ringing they could not explain.
unidentified		Oh, my God.
		And I was told in this dream, because I was shown the moon and I was shown two halves of it.
		Now, I don't know what this means, but I was told in the dream that the moon is split up in equal lateral eclipses, whatever that means.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, dream stuff again.
		So more people with the dreams.
unidentified		Well, everybody dreams.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we all dream.
		We know that.
		So how do we separate the dream dreams from the kind of dreams you were talking about?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, this kind of dream is, first of all, it will reveal itself as something completely other than any other kind of dream.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		In other words, it will seem, you know how sometimes you'll have a dream that seems very real, even more real than life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're sort of saying you'll know it when you have it.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		You'll know it when you have it.
		I remember this one incident.
		I might as well relate this very quickly if I could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Okay, there is a when I was together with my wife in 1992, I was going through an awakening then that got stopped.
		But here's what happened.
		Okay, one of these little beings, a small gray, if you will, his head exactly the size, the height of the doorknob, appeared.
		Now, there were also UFO sightings over the house, and there was a battle going on, the spirit, and we were fighting back and forth, and I felt they were trying to get me.
		Well, anyway, he shows up in the room, black eyes, the whole bit, and there was like a little light behind the eyes that was moving.
		And immediately thereafter, I blacked out, and I went into a dream state where I was being dragged across this hotel motel, a CD motel room, as if I was going to be dragged out the door.
		And I grabbed onto something and wrenched myself awake.
		And I was desperately afraid.
		I couldn't even get out of bed.
		And because that being was there, and I realized that that dream I had was them, but they were like two thugs carrying me across the motel room.
		That's how it was masked.
		That's how it came forth.
		And that was an alien dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like it.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And it was wholly other, completely other than anything dreamt before by me.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And then that triggered, that experience triggered the memory of the satanic ritual with children.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's when it all came flooding in.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		It triggered me right then.
		And then I went to a healer for help.
		And then he scared me.
		And I went to another person for help, and they wanted to lock me up.
		Because you see, in other words, what did that person that wanted to lock me up, who appeared as this woman therapist who wanted to, you know, a psychologist who said, well, we'll lock you up for three days in a seclusion, and then you'll get through it, and we'll help you.
		And so I was like, what are you talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A 72-hour hold, they call it.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, and that was her suggestion when I explained what was happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on for a moment.
		Not 72 hours, but just a very few less, and we'll be right back.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is coast-to-coast AM, like a freight train through the night.
unidentified		What do you do when you know me?
		Oh, I'm waiting by your side.
		You've been loved, and I've urged you home.
		You know it's just your foolish man.
		Ah.
		I see the trees of green windows.
		I see the blue for me, and I think to myself, What a wonderful day I say
		goodbye and I think to myself What a wonderful Wanna take a ride?
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		I watch them grow.
		They're like much more than I ever know.
		And I think to myself, what a wonderful world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ain't it ever?
unidentified		Ain't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Zeph Daniel is my guest.
		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Mark Bellin.
		This is Coast to Coast.
		A. I'm definitely one of these where you make up your own mind.
		crazy or Maybe not.
		And so far, these are just random calls.
		The answer is not.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, Zeph Daniel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Zeph, I received a plea on the computer here that you plea the person is lost and they don't know about Dulcy and they didn't know what you were referring to explain Dulcy Dulcie is a a rumored purported underground military alien base in Dulcie New Mexico which is right near the Colorado border and
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And supposedly it's on the Archuleta Mesa, which is about two and a half miles from Dulce.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		It's really just like a general store and a gas station is all it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But underground.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And it's underground.
		And we've been dealing with it in the spirit, put it that way.
		And there's more than one of us.
		It's a project that I've gotten involved in.
		And there's one person that you might call a remote spiritual, if you have a remote viewer, let's say, he goes there in the spirit.
		And that also happens with me.
		He's going there to liberate those souls from the bodies that are being tortured.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why I asked you about government involvement and knowledge.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I have the, what I know is this.
		I know something from a man that is no longer with us named Phil Schneider, who gave testimony about Dulce and underground installations.
		and so...
		he's spoken to the UFO community quote unquote and that's available on the internet and I know just what other people have read I have viewed it in the spirit right and I also have myself interviewed I know a person that does remote viewing who finds missing persons and is involved in murder cases and remote views it well she is now focusing on this on Dulcie for the first time,
		changing her method, in other words, on missing person.
		And this is the first time she's being led to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe a lot of them are at Dulcie.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		There's three of us.
		Well, from what I heard yesterday from my Native American friend, we're looking at, he said, thousands of victims.
		And so that's the kind of thing that we do in terms of, I guess we would go to a place like that in the Spirit and minister to them, because you can do that, and liberate those souls, because the Father will take those souls out of those vessels.
		This has been known to happen when there was Christian persecution in the olden times, how the martyrs would die with smiles on their faces because their souls would be taken.
		They would be gone at the moment of extreme torture.
		They would be dislodged and taken home.
		And it was so uncanny that it blew the minds of all the torturers and executioners so much so that many of them converted and became Christians.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go now.
		There's a lot of people here.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Zeph Daniel.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, how are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I am in New Hampshire.
		All the way up to New Hampshire.
		I'm kind of a new listener to your program, and I caught most of the conversation tonight, and I have background as a Wiccan priestess, and I had strange situations happen to me, and I ended up in a hospital.
		But a lot of the stuff that I believe the author is speaking about is very misleading, especially possibly to some of your listeners who may not have any knowledge of the subjects.
		And I feel that he's kind of mincing words and kind of confusing people out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think he's misleading people about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, specifically.
unidentified		Specifically, I could go into a lot of things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, just give me one.
unidentified		Okay.
		From my experience, I believe that, like he was talking about the tunnel and the white light, that if you are a true Christian, then you are a follower of God.
		I believe that there's really only one true religion.
		That's my espoused belief right now at this time.
		And to say that is the case, and I do believe it's called the truth.
		And I believe this gentleman has been mixing, you know, has a satanic background.
		You are following Satan, and therefore Satan works through people.
		Like, as he says, he shows himself as the light, you know, all these wonderful things.
		How does he not know that he's still not doing Satan's work by promoting this book and putting false ideas out there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a fair question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		You know what I'm saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, hold on, hold on.
		Hold on.
		So take a deep breath.
		Zeph, we're doing the devil's work, Zeph.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Of course, I disagree with that.
		I follow Yahushua, which means Yah, or God is salvation and truth, life, and way.
		That's the way I follow.
		That's what got me out of trouble.
unidentified		What was the name again?
unidentified		What was the name of your God that you are following again?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Jesus.
unidentified		Jesus.
		There is someone that is above Jesus.
		That is his father.
		Do you know that name of that God?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Of course, Yahweh.
unidentified		That you're pronouncing it incorrectly.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not, actually.
unidentified		Jehovah.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Jehovah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, come on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tomato, tomato.
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
		There is a fine line.
		Jehovah is God's true name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like it's not true.
		Everything is above truth.
		Same truth.
unidentified		And I found Yahweh in my occult book.
		Yahweh is the way that you pronounce it if you are trying to do musical, it's like alliteration, the way that you think that you're saying the name properly.
		But you are not trying to know this to be true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's tricking us then, is that right?
unidentified		Yes, he is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so there you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're tricking us.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, could I say something about Yahweh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you may.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Yahweh from the Hebrew.
		YHWH is the transliteration, Yahweh.
		And Yahushua, the real name of Jesus, means Yahweh is salvation.
		And I just follow that.
		And so the God I follow, I also call him God and Father.
		And if you have the Father, you have the Son.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounded like you were talking about the same to me, and it was just a matter of time.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I know.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I pray that I have not offended him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		West of the Rockies, your chance to be offended by Zeph Daniel.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Thank you for the program.
		Take you my call.
		I'm listening in Santa Barbara, California, KTMS 990.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And yeah, I have a little personal interest in this right here where during tailoring Vietnam War, I have about a six-week block of erased memory.
unidentified		There's no memory whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		During the which war was it?
unidentified		Vietnam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vietnam.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And I was just going back to the nuts and bolts, Mr. Daniel, about the mind control and how they administered it.
		Was it drug, light, was it implantation?
		Was it just sexual abuse?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Okay.
		The mind control, administered in what way is it?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Mind control, you know, beginning at when you're talking about satanic ritual abuse, you are talking about some pretty horrific things.
		You're talking about sexual molestation, torture.
		You're talking about human sacrifice for the and to have children participate in it.
		And I'm not going to go into too much about my personal involvement, just to say this, that I was removed from the situation at an early age because I fought back.
		But then they mind-controlled me in a different way, i.e.
		putting counselors and people around me to convince me that I didn't see what I had seen.
		And now what I want to ask to call her is this.
		You have to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to ask to call her anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She's gone.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was a long time of missing of just a blank, which signifies some kind of trauma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Something happened there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		While we have the chance, International Line, you're on the air with Zeph Daniel.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
unidentified		My name's James from Toronto.
		Okay.
		First, I'd like to wish you a happy Thanksgiving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
unidentified		Because we're having our Thanksgiving out here in Toronto.
		Okay.
		Okay, so he's had some issues with satanic abuse.
		Does he think that he's been hypnotized in any way?
		Does he think that he's been replaying this idea of abuse in his mind like a movie, trying to correct it, but at the same time he's still giving out the same information that's been programmed into him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Woo-hoo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a snaggler of a question you have.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about it, Zeth?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Well, when I was in denial about all this stuff, and I had memory, no memory, because it's three and four and five years old, the memories are overcome, but there was a trauma there.
		And I think I had to keep filling in this nice little, that it never happened.
		You know, I kept having to do that, but I had some real psychological problems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but the real thrust of the man's question was, are you sure you're still not playing it out and replaying what happened to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's a legit question.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I am, how free am I at this point?
		I would say this, I've gone through a lot of healing, but occasionally I'll have like post-traumatic stress issues where I will be suddenly, because there was self-destruct programming put in me, and that's what sometimes gets played and triggered, and it's terrible.
		It's a very terrible time because you just feel like it's horrific, and it comes, and I have to wait it out till it passes.
		So, yes, I'm still afflicted somewhat in that way, and I pray that, you know, to get through it and beyond it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Zeph Daniel.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Proceed.
unidentified		I totally resonate with what Zeph is saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because?
unidentified		Because about five years ago, I also started having experiences, and they started out with alien experiences where I felt like my consciousness was being taken from my body.
		And then it went in to where I think I cleansed my home, and it was like, I don't know if it's like the Native American Indians talk about you take your power back.
		And I got rid of that negative energy.
		And the energy was, it made me feel like an animal terror.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		It made you feel like what?
unidentified		It made me, it was just like an animal terror.
		It was just like terror.
		Like there was something that totally didn't resonate with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like a primal terror.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		That's witchcraft.
		That's a form.
		Someone may have put something bad on you.
		It sounds like someone threw some witchcraft on you, some negative.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I don't know about all you've said tonight, Zeph, but I do know that I've talked to a witch here on the air, and she has confirmed in graphic, horrific detail that this kind of ritualistic torture and ritualistic even killing of children does go on more than the average American citizen would even dare dream
art bell ▲ ● ▼		about.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		There's a horrible, deep, dark secret, and you wonder with so many people involved in it.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		How do they keep it completely secret?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, well, maybe because it is so horrible.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		The things that some of the people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the real world has punishments for this, you know, like the death penalty.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I've never seen any of these.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Nor have I. Not one person have I ever seen brought before the law.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, maybe that's right, but those are the penalties that await for some of the deeds that are done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Zeph Daniel.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, Art.
		Good morning, Zeph.
		Good morning.
unidentified		First of all, Art, welcome back to the WHAM airwaves in Rochester overnights here in New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We got back to WHAM, didn't we?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thank God for that.
		It beats the trucker.
		But we won't talk about that.
unidentified		Zeph, I just have a quick question.
unidentified		What is your view on purgatory?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And this is coming from a Catholic.
		After an after-death.
		Well, the closest thing I could tell you about a purgatory experience, it may parallel, is I was taken in the spirit to, I lived at the site of an Indian massacre in New Mexico at one time, and then I realized I was brought there to, I was taken into the spirit by the Lord to minister to the traumatized Indians that were massacred, mainly women and children in this particular thing that happened.
		And it was like a purgatory.
		It was a, I called it Sheol at the time.
		And I ministered to them.
		I think what I was led to say to them was that all of us would have strung up Jesus on a cross.
		None of us is righteous, not one of us.
		And something to that effect.
		And they went on to another state of being.
		But where they were was they were stuck in this state between two worlds.
		I know that's not like the Catholic purgatory where you're waiting there for judgment.
unidentified		It is a cleansing.
		We sort of view it as a cleansing.
		We're earning our way into heaven.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All I know is in this particular case, these Indians were holding on to anger and hate and resentment and trauma and shock, and they were stuck and very unhappy.
		And so they were cleansed, purged of this when they heard the good news that they could emancipate to, you know, in their mind, would be the happy hunting grounds.
		And then after I ministered to them, all but a couple of them left.
		The other two, there were two scouts that stayed behind on that property, and they kept tormenting.
		You could hear their footsteps at night, and they also could do things in our world.
		In other words, they would take, say there was a maintenance guy there, they'd take his tools, or they'd hit somebody or something like that.
		There was poltergeist activity, in other words.
unidentified		Well, they were active on earth, even though they were in something of a purgatory.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		But the women and children, the main bulk of them, they went on because actually the Lord Jesus was ministering to them through using me in that, and they moved on.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		And that probably doesn't answer the question, I don't know about purgatory, sir, because I was not raised Catholic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
		It's all right to say I don't know.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Zeph Daniel.
		Hello?
unidentified		Yes, hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		It is off.
		Okay.
		Now.
		Yes, hi.
		I just wanted to ask you a question.
		I have a friend that has MPD, and she is a Christian, and she and I have been friends for about eight years.
		However, because of the other personality, sometimes I'm dealing with one or dealing with the other.
		I had an experience one night where I spent the night with her, and coincidentally, I had also been looking coast to coast on the internet at Ghost and all of the pictures on there.
		But before I went to bed, I just posed the question of, you know, what am I dealing with with her?
		What is this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, it's going to have to, I'm sorry to cut you short, but it's going to have to be a pretty quick answer.
		We're about out of time, Zeph.
		What would you say to her?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Healing.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I pray in the name of Lord Yahushua that you heal this woman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can almost hear that other caller yelling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Ms. Pernat, he's tricking us.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		It's a healing issue.
		It's a healing issue.
		When someone has MPD, what they need is a healing.
		Pray for the healing of that soul to reintegrate because that's what happens when people are traumatized.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, look, buddy, we're out of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your book, Lamb, is available, you're saying, on Amazon.com and more commonly found places or bookstores or what?
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Right now it's Amazon.com and through the website zephnet.com, but I think that links back.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I also have another book, a satire about mind control in Hollywood called Glass Backwards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you can laugh about it, a satire, then...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, listen, it's been interesting having you here tonight, and I want to thank you.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		I thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Zeth.
zeph daniel ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, folks.
		That's it for this weekend.
		That's all the time we've got.
		And I want to thank the Premier Radio Networks.
		I want to thank George.
		I want to thank Lisa Lyon.
		That's L-I-S-A-L-Y-O-N, who books my guests.
		She's the one who does that.
		And her home phone number is 555.
unidentified		In the desert, shooting stars across the sky.
		This magical journey will take us on a ride.
		Filled with belonging, searching for the truth.
		We make it to tomorrow, for the sun shines on you.

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