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Oct. 10, 2004 - Art Bell

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	So, thank you so much for having me. I'm going to go ahead and get started. I'm going to
	get started.
	From the high desert in the great American southwest, I bid you all good evening.
	Bling!
	Good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's prolific time zones.
	Every single one of them covered by this program, Coast to Coast AM.
	I'm Art Bell, and this would be the weekend version, starting again with sad news.
	Matt Drudge, and many of you will not have heard this, it's only moments old.
	Matt Drudge is reporting that Christopher Reeve is dead.
	Very sad.
	Superman.
	They've got a picture up there of Superman.
	Christopher Reeve.
	Dead.
	Details unknown.
	The family will release details apparently on Monday at the earliest, but that's the late word.
	And I suppose we could have some small amount of hope that it might not be true, but Matt Drudge reporting on his site that Christopher Reeve is dead.
	Matt Drudge is good.
	You know, Matt really is good at what he does on the net.
	And then there is my webcam photo.
	Now, we were having some pretty wicked thunderstorms this afternoon here in the desert.
	And as you know, I have many, you know, many towers up.
	But I have one particularly large one directly behind my house that rises 100 feet into the air, and it's about 3,000 pounds of steel, you know.
	And I have antennas on top of that.
	This afternoon, Ramona came and said, hey, you better come out and take a look at this.
	And I went out and took a look.
	And here was a tornado beginning to form in the sky.
	A tornado!
	You know, we're in Nevada, right?
	And it was definite circulation, so I... I... Well, actually, I said, oh... Darn.
	Oh, you know, a variation of that.
	And, uh, ran inside, and I got my camera.
	I thought, well, if it's gonna touch down... It didn't, thankfully.
	Thank God.
	If it's gonna touch down, I might as well get a picture of what did it.
	So, I ran out, got a camera in there.
	There's a picture that would strike, I mean, the pucker factor for an amateur radio operator with a tower like this over his house is real high.
	8, 9, 9.5.
	So that was taken several hours ago and it was a real, real high pucker factor.
	You might want to take a look at that.
	You just go to the website, www.coasttocoastam.com, and it's in the upper left-hand corner.
	And if you look carefully, you can pick out the circulation without any trouble at all.
	I had to send that to the local newspaper.
	You don't get a lot of tornadoes here in Nevada, but there you are.
	It's a big welcome to Iraq for Donald Rumsfeld.
	The United States may be able to reduce its troop levels in Iraq after the January elections if Security is strengthened, it says, and the Iraqi government forces continue to expand and improve.
	But, while our Defense Secretary was there, a lot of things blew up.
	Cars blew up, 11 people dead, including an American soldier.
	So, I don't know, you know, you hear differing reports coming from Iraq.
	There's some good news, and there has been a little bit of good news lately, but the bad news seems to be continuing.
	The Senate late Sunday received a dispute, a resolved one actually, a delaying passage of a sweeping corporate tax bill and two spending bills for disaster relief and homeland security.
	Call it the law of unintended consequences, perhaps.
	A new national backup system meant to ensure that millions of eligible voters are not, you know, mistakenly somehow turned away from the polls this year could end up They say, becoming as infamous as Florida's hanging chads.
	Congress boys, news you want just before the election, right?
	Congress required conditional or provisional voting as part of election fixes passed in 2002 for the first time.
	All states must offer a backup ballot to any voter whose name somehow doesn't appear on the rolls.
	When the voter comes to the polling place November 2nd, that'll be handy for the illegal aliens.
	If the voter is later found eligible, then the vote counts.
	Okay.
	Mount St.
	Helens.
	Let's see.
	Mount St.
	Helens.
	I have a lot of friends I talk to up there.
	I've been trying to urge them to quickly send their radio equipment to me while it can still be saved.
	Anyway, Mount St.
	Helens vented a new column of steam Sunday, a lazy plume that Rose out of the crater of the snow-dusted volcano.
	The billow of steam rose from an area where a large upswelling of bulge of rock, rock bulging is always bad, has been growing on the dome-shaped formation of rock in the crater.
	The plume rose several hundred feet above the 8,364 foot volcano.
	It lost about a thousand feet in the last eruption.
	And light wind slowly blew the whole thing toward the south and the southeast.
	In a moment, some of the other news that otherwise you may have missed elsewhere.
	Now, as you know, Over the years, I have spoken to you ever so many times about our atmosphere and our weather and the fact that what's going on could change just like that.
	Now, a lot of scientists, of course, don't believe that and they don't think that very large storms, the size of a, for example, a global superstorm, what we would call that, could even occur.
	There's not enough energy for it and, you know, things are just happening at a predictable rate.
	Well, maybe not!
	Here, this just in from, where else?
	The Independent in London.
	You wouldn't see this printed here.
	If you do, it'll be an amazement to me.
	The headline is, Surprise!
	CO2 Rise May Speed Up Global Warming.
	Listen to this.
	The rate at which global warming gases are accumulated in the atmosphere has taken a sharp leap upwards, leading fears, and generating fears, and continuing them, that the devastating effects of climate change may hit the world Even sooner than has been predicted.
	Atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide, the principal greenhouse gas, have made a sudden jump that just cannot be explained by any corresponding jump in terrestrial emissions of CO2 from power stations, motor vehicles, and so forth, because there has been none.
	Some scientists think that instead that the abrupt speed up just might be evidence of the long feared climate change feedback mechanism by which global warming causes alterations to the Earth's natural systems and then in turn causes the warming to increase even more rapidly than before.
	Runaway!
	Feedback!
	Such a development would mean the worldwide droughts, agricultural failures, sea level rise, increased weather turbulence and flooding all predicted As consequences of climate change would arrive on a much shorter timescale than present scenarios might suggest, and the world would have much less time to coordinate its response.
	Oh, I'm so shocked.
	Only last month, Tony Blair expressed anxiety that global warnings' dire effects would arrive not just in his children's lifetime, because you can write that one off easily, right?
	Say, poor kids, and then not think much more about it, but rather in his own, and would Radically alter human existence.
	The feedback phenomena already has been predicted in the supercomputer models of the global climate on which the current forecasts of warming are based.
	Now a key aspect is the weakening caused by the warming itself of the Earth's ability to remove huge amounts of CO2 from the atmosphere by absorbing it annually in its forests and oceans in the so-called carbon cycle.
	The forests and oceans are referred to as carbon sinks.
	In other words, a sink.
	They absorb carbon.
	Hitherto, however, that weakening has been put decades into the future.
	Well, guess what?
	The possibility that it may actually be occurring now is suggested in the long-run atmospheric CO2 measurements that have been made since 1958 at the observatory on the top of Mauna Loa at 11,000 feet in Hawaii by American physicist Charles Keeling from the University of California San Diego when he began He was finding about 315 parts per million.
	Today, after the remorseless increase in emissions from power stations and motor vehicles over the past four and a half decades, the figure stands at 376 parts per million.
	The growth is what scientists believe is causing the Earth's atmosphere to warm up as the increasing CO2 retains more and more of the sun's heat and In the atmosphere, it's kind of like, I don't know, panes of a greenhouse.
	And so you can see, well anyway, but the worry now is not merely the swelling volume of CO2, but the sudden leap in its rate of increase across all 46 years of his measurements.
	The average annual CO2 rise has been about 1.3 parts per million, although in recent decades It's jumped to about 1.6 parts per million.
	You may recall on last night's program, Dr. Doom talked about an African encounter in which about 60 children encountered, well they had a close encounter definitely of the third kind, a creature Several craft and I've got any number of stories about it here detailed stories about this occurrence in Africa and so everything he said is absolutely correct and again Remember, this is at least a couple of dozen children that were interviewed by dr. Mack and according to Ed
	The tapes, the interviews with the children were very specific with regard to the message that the being delivered to them and that it was in part that the earth is dying.
	And so that one bristles the back of my neck a little bit to be honest with you.
	It really does.
	That many... I mean, for one thing, it's children.
	For another thing, it involves many of them.
	For a third thing, they all drew what they saw, the craft and all the rest of it.
	And then for another, in the interviews, they all related the same message sent to them telepathically by that creature.
	That, in part, the Earth is dying, so...
	It's hard to reject, you know, just out of hand, reject that kind of evidence in my mind.
	Oh, here's a nice one.
	Killer flu resurrected in the lab.
	Well, you knew they were going to try to do it, right?
	Apparently, they have had success.
	Scientists have shown that just tiny changes to modern flu viruses could render them every bit as deadly as the 1918 strain, which killed millions of people across the globe.
	Oh, wonderful.
	A U.S.
	team added just two little genes from a sample of the 1918 virus to a modern strain known to have no effect on mice.
	But now animals exposed to the composite were dying within days of symptoms similar to those found in the humans back in 1918.
	It's all published in the very prestigious journal Nature if you want to read it.
	That was all it says.
	All these tests were carried out under the tightest security.
	Experts focused on just two genes thought to play a key role in the infection process.
	One controls the production of a spike-like molecule called HA, believed to be used by flu viruses to attach themselves to the cells that they're about to infect.
	Previous research published earlier this year in the journal Science identified the HA gene as Being the crucial element which made the 1918 virus so deadly.
	And the latest work would appear to confirm this.
	So in other words, in lab, they've taken the latest flu virus, whatever that happens to be, and H-aided around a little bit, and now they've got something every bit as deadly as a 1918 virus.
	Lucky us.
	Keep it in the lab, guys.
	Then of course, you know, there's a whole lot of worry right now.
	That the bird flu and the standard human virus are going to get together somewhere, probably in China, and spread like wildfire.
	I'm not saying it's happened, but there's so much talk of it, it's almost like, it's like the anthrax thing, or, you know, some of the other talk.
	You know, there's so much, and then it happens.
	Scientists now also fear that seals, dolphins, otters, birds, falcons, even honeybees, are headed toward a unisex existence that would lead for them, obviously, to extinction.
	Mother Nature is taking over.
	An extraordinary feminization process has begun to affect Britain's wildlife.
	Now, listen to me.
	These are stories That you want to pay attention to when I read them.
	You really do because you're not going to hear them elsewhere.
	Scientists warn it could ultimately dismantle the evolutionary process that has existed for three and a half billion years.
	A trend first noticed in whelks is beginning to spread rapidly among other wildlife species in the food chain.
	The first national survey of 42 rivers by the UK Environment Agency has just been completed and guess what it found?
	A third of male fish are growing female reproductive tissues and organs, effects were most pronounced in the younger ones, raising obvious grave implications for future stocks.
	Quite a few species now are affected seals, dolphins, birds, falcons, honeybees, all headed toward a unisex existence.
	It would be a very short existence indeed, right?
	And why do they think this might be happening?
	Well, chemicals found in plastics, food packaging, shampoos, pesticides, all have accumulated in the environment, and they're turning the males into females!
	So...
	This environment thing, if you do the right reading in the right places, and England has been really good about getting things out that are not ballyhooed here at all.
	We don't air this kind of stuff except on this program.
	If you begin to put it all together, I mean, there's some pretty obvious directions that we're headed in.
	In fact, that might be a good reason for you to call tonight.
	What do you think is going on?
	We're going to go to open lines here.
	Sure.
	Oh, top of the hour.
	Top of the hour.
	Zef Daniel's going to be here, and it's going to be a strange program.
	Zef Daniel was a victim of satanic ritual abuse and mind control as a child, and he believes, and abduction, he thinks that That he's on to why the abductions are occurring and what it's all about.
	And so it's going to be an interesting, a very interesting interview, I suspect, Zef Daniel tonight.
	This was a very interesting email I got from one of you out there.
	Hey Art, I'm listening to your show on the Streamlink right now.
	Oh, by the way, that reminds me, I didn't bring it in here.
	You know, every now and then, HBO and Showtime and all of those services, they have, you know, free weekends, right?
	So you can get a sample of what they've got.
	They put all their best movies forward.
	Your best foot, right?
	On that weekend, and then they hope you order.
	Well, we're going to do something like that on Streamlink.
	Streamlink is the service that allows you to download programs, listen to programs.
	It's pretty cool.
	And, uh... I'm being handed something here.
	Okay, here it is.
	I knew what it was anyway.
	This is Ramona handing me the Streamlink announcement.
	So, I'm not going to go through all this.
	It's free next weekend.
	We're doing a free Streamlink weekend.
	So, it'll give you a chance, if you wish, to sample all the goodies that those who do pay for Streamlink get.
	It amounts to about, I don't know, 15 cents a day or something.
	It's not much.
	Anyway, this gentleman was listening on Streamlink, and he writes, I'm compelled to let you know the results from some experiments I did.
	Remember the show we did about plants?
	Well, he says, So I sent love to one plant, and I sent hate to the other.
	This was now several months ago.
	Real hate.
	I had taken two healthy starts from the same plant, Put them in water in my kitchen window every time I went to the sink, I'd send a nice, loving, encouraging thought to one plant on the left, and a hateful, discouraging death thought to the right one.
	Within two weeks, the plant on the right was deader than a doornail, and the one on the left, it was flourishing!
	I frankly thought the whole thing was pretty profound.
	What do you think, Terry?
	Well, Terry, I think it is profound, and I think it's real, and I think that the guests that we've had on the program on this particular subject are dead on.
	I mean, there's a lot about plants and animals that we don't understand.
	We don't know about it.
	We just don't know.
	You know, there's a lot about our minds we don't know, and obviously your mind has the ability to communicate in some manner with a plant, some way that we don't understand, may never understand in my lifetime.
	It's quantum, it's at the quantum level certainly, but I don't know, give it a try yourself if you can, if you want to risk killing one of your plants to prove it to yourself.
	It would be murder, but you could do it.
	Alright, we've got a heck of a show ahead.
	Open Lines, coming right up.
	Stay right where you are.
	I can see the line back in your satin dress You're a ruler, you do what you don't confess
	To access the audio archives of Coast to Coast AM, log on to coasttocoastam.com
	Creeping down my back stairs Some down you better take care
	If I find you been creeping down my back stairs Creeping up the
	Fire's start to burn And the warnings on them beer cans gonna be buried in them
	landfills No deposit, no set songs, and no return
	Yeah, it's only gonna take about a minute or so, till the factory blots the sun out, and you're gonna have to turn your lights on just to see.
	And then the lights are gonna be neon, sayin' fly our jets to paradise, and the whole damn world's gonna be made of styrene.
	So listen to my brothers, when you hear the night wind sigh, and you see the waters flying through the great polluted sky.
	sky. There won't be no country music, there won't be no rock and roll, because when they
	take away our country, they'll take away our soul.
	All right, everybody, listen very carefully.
	The numbers are a little different on the weekend and we're about to go into open lines.
	So, if it applies to you, here it comes.
	To talk with Art Bell, call the wildcard line at area code 775-727-1295.
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	From west of the Rockies, call Art at 800-618-8255.
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	pressing option 5, and dialing toll-free 800-893-0903.
	Keep your eyes on the skies.
	Good morning from the high desert.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Sound of explosion.
	Music.
	And so it begins.
	East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	How you doing?
	I'm doing just fine.
	What is your first name?
	My name is George.
	George, and you're calling me from where?
	Around Columbia, Missouri.
	Missouri.
	Well, I'm not a guest.
	All right, George, what's up?
	Well, in my opinion, I think we've got too many people in the world, and nature's going to do what the locusts do.
	You know, every so many Years, locusts go through a deal where they, uh, I think it's the human's turn here in the near future.
	Oh, you think so?
	Well, um, I can't disagree with you.
	I, you know, Mother Nature never gets angry.
	She just gets even.
	And so if the scales are unbalanced in some way, then Mother Nature balances them.
	Yes, sir, she does.
	It's like hurricanes.
	If you have a lot of really warm water and excess temperature, then Mother Nature attempts to take that and convert it to a cooler temperature with violence.
	Lots of violence.
	Like really big hurricanes.
	Like hurricanes the size of which, well... Tornadoes.
	Violent weather of all sorts.
	Now take a look at my webcam.
	That's pretty weird stuff.
	I mean, tornadoes in Nevada.
	It gave me, well, with that 3,000 pound steel tower that you're looking at there, it looked like it was aimed right at it to me.
	It was obviously a circulation, but it was airborne.
	It never came down to the ground, but it could have.
	I'd have been like Dorothy, I suppose, in Nevada yet.
	What's with the Rockies?
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yeah, hello, Art.
	I'm going to turn my radio off.
	Yeah, oh, absolutely.
	That's the first thing you ought to do.
	I'm calling from Phoenix, listening to 550 KFYI, and I'm calling about the hormone thing.
	I've been aware for years that I remember an article long ago talking about just shampoos have some female hormones in them, and they were even saying then, talking about these young girls, how Young girls seem to be developing faster, sooner than we remember.
	Yeah, but we don't want young boys developing into young girls.
	Well, now that's true.
	Now there have been a lot of mutations lately.
	I remember just recently there was a story, I believe it was UPI or whatever, George read it, talking about in India a fella had raised peacocks and he had a peahen, his prize peahen.
	I read that story, yes, I know.
	Yeah, and so there are mutations, but I think the problem is
	that yes, there are too many female hormones, I mean the cattle and the milk,
	for milk production.
	They drink the milk, well, it carries the hormones injected in the cattle to increase milk production.
	Yes, but this is no minor matter.
	I mean, if you get nothing but the female of any species, and when you're talking, what are they talking about here?
	Let's read this again a little bit.
	Seals, dolphins, otters, other birds, falcons, honeybees, they're all beginning to turn into females, and that, of course, as soon as one generation of that If it happens, it's over, baby.
	It's over.
	And if it's happening this high in the food chain, in the mammal chain, you know, we're not that far above some of these, particularly dolphins, right?
	We're not that far above.
	So, at what point does the world begin to pay attention to these things?
	CO2, they're talking about the runaway switch, has already been thrown.
	Mammals pretty high on the chain, turning into all females.
	I mean, you know, this is getting to be, it seems to me, pretty serious stuff.
	I'm not reading you science fiction now.
	I'll tell you when I'm doing that.
	We do plenty of that on this program.
	But I'll also tell you when I'm reading legit articles, you know, from Great Britain.
	This is... These are all warning bells going off, you know?
	Big, serious, loud warning bells going off.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, yeah.
	I was wondering about remote viewing.
	They were talking about it, but Ed Dames never really gave a real clear definition of what remote viewing, in other words, allows him to see these things.
	All right.
	If you listened very carefully last night, Ed Dames told you that he understands the mechanics of it.
	He understands the discipline of remote viewing.
	How to implement it, how to do it successfully, and now he may have made a leap forward in being able to get it right down to GPS coordinates.
	But he also said very clearly, sir, he doesn't even have a clue what medium he's going through or how he's doing what he's doing.
	He admitted that.
	Right.
	So he just, these things just kind of come to him, in other words.
	And he tries to understand them.
	Well, yes.
	Again, it probably is related to something quantum.
	We don't know.
	It's occurring at the speed of thought, not light.
	The speed of thought.
	And that apparently is instantaneous.
	So Ed Dames' own words last night, he does not understand the medium.
	That he does this through only how to do it.
	And he has refined the method Of doing remote viewing, certainly since he was in the CIA program.
	Wild Card Line, you are on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	Art?
	Glad it would be me, yes.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	About four, several years ago, I sent you a stone to the mail.
	You sent me a stone?
	With a cat painted on it.
	Oh, with a cat painted on it.
	I remember that.
	Did you?
	Did you like that?
	Yes, thank you.
	Oh, you're welcome.
	I'm just kind of curious, that's all.
	That's it, huh?
	That'll do it.
	All right, take care.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello, Mr. Bell?
	Yes, that would be me.
	I just had a quick question.
	Sure.
	On George Norris' program the other night when he was talking about the John Titor.
	Yes, the supposed alleged time traveler.
	He said somebody in 98 sent you a fax on a skyscraper in New York being knocked down.
	Didn't say he was John Titor, but kind of talked like him.
	You know, that may well be.
	Sir, that was back during the time when early in the, even in the network program, I used to maintain a fax machine here and give my fax number out on the air.
	I had tens of thousands of faxes.
	I had this machine called a Gristentner, which finally, just sort of like an old You know, beat up some or another, it expired.
	I mean, it had spit out one too many faxes and it went... So, anyway, bottom line, I got so many faxes that probably I, you know, I can't tell you.
	Okay.
	Just wondering about that.
	All right, Taker.
	I'm sorry, that should have, of course, stuck out in my mind, but I do get a lot of things, you know, like that, and I would not necessarily have said, my God, we better save this skyscraper.
	Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of faxes.
	Finally, the computer came along and emailed, thank God.
	And speaking of that, if you would like to get hold of me, there are two ways to do it.
	I am artbell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L at minespring.com, artbell at minespring.com, or artbell at A-O-L dot com.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
	Hey, Mr. Bell.
	Yes?
	Yeah, it's all about that femalization of the genes and hormones.
	Feminization, yes.
	Yeah.
	Have you ever heard of a woman named Dr. Helen Caldecott?
	That is a familiar name.
	She's out of Australia.
	Yes.
	And I heard a speech by her years and years ago.
	It's a little bit wacky, but she had her audience and vision putting birth control in the world's waters and everybody just having a nice life and enjoying everything.
	Would the world be a better place if the planet were feminized?
	Well, not so much feminized, but just... Depopulated.
	Given another chance to start over, yeah, because if you look at what we've done to the world, what we continue to do, you know, it's a little bit of a crazy idea, but it... Well, you know, listen, you heard the stories I read tonight, right?
	Yep.
	And that I collect and read nearly every weekend.
	These are getting more serious and more serious and more serious every week I'm here.
	The feminization of mammals and birds and dolphins and You know, the killer flu stuff we're experimenting with.
	Right.
	And, my God, what's going on in the world right now?
	Yeah, well, just kick it around, and I don't know, it might not be such a bad place if we weren't around for a while, and... All right.
	Well, thank you.
	Right, thank you, sir.
	Have a cheery morning.
	Might not be such a bad place if we weren't around, huh?
	Huh.
	I have to think about that a little bit.
	I'm not sure what all this is working toward, but the quickening is well underway.
	Well underway, isn't it?
	In every aspect in which I originally called this the quickening, it's well underway.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Mr. Bill.
	Hi.
	I've got a prediction for Mount St.
	Helens.
	Really?
	Has been told to me intuitively that it's going to blow in the second week of November.
	Really?
	And I've been told that there will be very little loss of life, maybe no more than 40 to 80 people total.
	That's going to take away 22% of the ocean front in that state.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	So it's going to be a very large explosion?
	Yeah.
	It's going to take 22% of the... Yes.
	What kind of batting average do you have with regard to predictions?
	Oh, boy.
	10%?
	20%?
	80%?
	I'd say over 60 on certain things.
	In general, 80% probably.
	I'd say over 60 on certain things.
	In general, 80% probably, or 90%.
	90?
	Well, that...
	I wouldn't go as high as that.
	I would say...
	I would say...
	I would say 82.
	82 percent.
	All right.
	Well, that was quite a range you jumped through there.
	Anyway, there you have it.
	Well, I guess Mount St.
	Helens is bound to blow, right?
	Eventually, it's going to go again, and probably sooner than later.
	West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Hello.
	Oh, hi.
	Hi.
	I just wanted to say something about Dr. Helen Caldicott.
	She's an Australian pediatrician who was one of the founders of Physicians for Social Responsibility.
	Dr. Bernard Lown was the other.
	Was she actually calling for handing out birth control pills?
	No, you know, honestly, I find that hard to believe.
	She's focusing on nuclear proliferation.
	And she's back in the state.
	She's got an office in a new organization in Washington, D.C.
	And both Kerry and Bush, as you know, recently said that that's our biggest problem.
	I really doubt that she would have said something like that.
	How would you feel if the world were filled with nothing but your sisters?
	Oh, I think that would be really sad.
	But I do think that the world should be led shoulder to shoulder with men and women in equal representation, and then we would get a bifocal perspective on things, which is what we really need.
	Well, I mean, let's imagine, and it's not all that hard to imagine in view of the story I've got right here.
	I mean, what if the world did become all feminine?
	Well, of course, I suppose there Could be some miracle performed by science to continue us somehow, but basically the world would change if women were, you know, what?
	Oh yeah, well women look at things very differently from men.
	Would wars end?
	Um, I think so, yeah.
	I think so.
	Women see further ahead, you know, from time immemorial they've had to figure out ways to avoid conflict.
	Yeah, but I've seen these pictures of women down on the floor running, just ripping each other's hair out and stuff like that.
	Oh yeah, well those, you know... Calling each other the B-word.
	That's a small segment.
	Well I know, but it always, that's all it takes is a small segment of wild women.
	Well that's true, all it takes is a small segment of nutty men in the White House too, doesn't it?
	Uh-huh, yeah, well I hear these words and I get a chill when you say something like that.
	See, maybe there is something that women know.
	Have you noticed your wife or your girlfriend whispering to other women things that are meant only for the ear of another inheritor of the world?
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	I've got a... It's another world leader for me here.
	What's that?
	I say it's another world leader for me here.
	Oh really?
	Not me.
	No, huh?
	I have a, well, I have a story and I have a question about gold.
	Do you?
	Yes.
	When it's buried in the ground, say clay kind of soil, how much do you think it would sink down in?
	Gold?
	Over the years.
	Did you bury some?
	I didn't bury it myself.
	You know somebody who buried it?
	Yes.
	And you're going to go looking for it?
	You're wondering how far down to look?
	I think somebody else is already ahead of me.
	Ed?
	Yeah, they're ahead of me.
	You know, I got a bunch of funny messages last night.
	People saying, hey, that's my damn goal.
	You better not set foot anywhere near it.
	Well, this farm's been in my family for several decades.
	Going back to the 20s and 30s.
	Send me an email with the address.
	With the address?
	Yeah.
	Okay, and I have something else.
	Okay?
	I wouldn't do that.
	What you were saying about all the carbon monoxide and the bad stuff that the air we breathe?
	Yes.
	Well, the real bad news, ma'am, is that the carbon dioxide hurry-up switch may just have been thrown, according to the story, and now it's increasing exponentially.
	They've just dug a big old garbage pit across the road from me.
	They consumed a whole pile of garbage and pulled it up and piled it up in big piles.
	Yeah.
	And dug a great big hole and they're hauling in fill daily and they're digging all around and they've got a great big
	huge development going on in the adjoining property.
	Yeah.
	And it's uh...
	Look for boxes with nuclear symbols on them.
	Well, I think they might have dug up something they didn't want to dig up.
	I mean, you know, some of the stuff that they've piled up over there, they're supposed to put a cap on it, but by the time they get around to it, the ground around here will be frozen.
	Well, there's many things to this story, Mr. Bell.
	I'm sure you'd love to hear it, and so would your listeners.
	Actually, I wanted to ask you a question about Hooking up live on the internet.
	Do you think that would be a good idea?
	Do you think I'd be sacrificing too much of my privacy, which has already been totally sacrificed?
	Well, give me an idea of what you mean by hooking up live on the internet.
	You mean... Some person with money that could come and park a big RV in my front yard and Keep the cameras trained on what's going on in that big development over there on the adjoining property, and see whether or not they're really tunneling down underground.
	Oh, why don't you just put a webcam out there on the corner of your house, pointed that way with a zoom lens, and put it up on the net.
	Would there be any way of finding out how far down this might have sunk?
	Because I'm thinking perhaps that's what they're doing over there.
	They might be tunneling down.
	Not that I'm aware of, but all I can say is keep an eye on them and good luck.
	Gold in their piles.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air without a lot of time.
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	Yes.
	How are you, sir?
	Okay, we don't have much time.
	What's up?
	I just wanted to say that the feminine approach to life, to me, is far superior to the masculine approach to life.
	Well, you're a real help, aren't you?
	Well, I'm just trying to be realistic, more than anything.
	So, if the plastics take away your manhood, it's okay?
	Because plastic can't take away my manhood.
	Well, you gotta read the story here, sir.
	I think manhood has a lot more to do with your mental state than it has to do with anything physiological.
	You think so, huh?
	Okay, all right.
	Thank you very much for the call, and good luck in your new life.
	We'll have a guest, Zeph Daniel, coming up right after the news break at the top of the hour from the high desert in the middle of the night, which is where we do our very best work.
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	Sadly at this hour, USA Radio Network seemingly confirming Christopher Reeve's death.
	Something about a heart attack. Details to follow.
	In a moment, Zef Daniel will be here at a very early age.
	Zef Daniel became a failed victim of satanic ritual abuse and mind control.
	Later, he became involved in writing for film and television in the horror field.
	I wonder if that's a natural.
	He claims these were attempts to find out what happened, who he was, what went wrong.
	It took 25 years for the total defeat of the old Zeph.
	The death of that fragment of tortured humanity and his resurrection in the spirit of God.
	Zeph is controversial because he is critical of organized religion.
	As for the human soul, which is what this farm called Earth is all about, he says, it is a commodity bought and sold In an intergalactic market like oil, I hope our stock is rising.
	The spirit of a person can be scalped and held in various high-tech devices.
	They're boxes.
	And those are sold.
	All that tunnel-of-white-light mythology and NDE experiences is simply high-tech scalping, says he, and is done from a base on the moon.
	Oh, that sounds familiar, doesn't it?
	A crystal city, he says.
	He says, all this I have seen and experienced and it is all literally true.
	No matter how strange it may sound, that's what Zeph says.
	And that's what we're going to explore.
	No small matter coming up.
	I think what really saddens me about the death of Christopher Reeve
	is, you know, for other men in his circumstance, maybe to be alright.
	Bye.
	You know, because it'd be such a relief from the very low quality of life that he, I'm sure, was leading.
	But what makes it so sad in the case of Christopher Reeve is he had such a lust for life.
	You know, he really wanted To be around for that big miracle cure that actually a lot of people have been talking about lately.
	The stem cell research, right?
	And he just so wanted to hang on that that makes it particularly sad.
	A lot of people in his position would have some time ago have given up and would not have lasted as long as he did.
	But he has such a zest for life, so I don't know, that makes it tough.
	Alright, here comes Zef Daniel.
	And in all the years that I've been reading these intros that are written up for people that are going to be guests on the show, this one contains... I mean, this is some wild stuff.
	There's no question about it.
	Zeph, welcome to the program.
	Hello, Art, and our prayers and love to the Christopher Reeve family and, of course, Christopher Reeve wherever he is.
	God bless you.
	He's in a good place.
	You know that much, anyway.
	I can tell you this, though.
	That intro sounded pretty wild.
	Well, yeah, I thought so, too.
	Yeah, except for dabbling in the horror genre, which I suppose was a way to try to get a handle on some of the things that I had seen in my life.
	Actually, it's not really true that I was a failed victim of mind control.
	Well, who wrote this?
	I may have, I think this was from a couple years ago.
	Was it true then?
	Well, yes, it's true, it's just the way it's all put together, it's just a lot of... Alright, well I know George has interviewed you, I have not yet, so let's begin at the beginning.
	I mean, satanic ritual abuse, I need to know something about that anyway.
	Well, basically like this.
	There is Satanism on the planet, obviously.
	Obviously.
	And what is the goal of Satanism?
	And Satanists, what do they want?
	Well, it's usually power.
	They want the power from it.
	And a lot of times, you know, families and generations are born and then, you know, and then someone Goes over to the satanic side, that passes on to the next generation, and the next, and it's like a bloodline type of thing.
	And there was that line in your family, I guess, huh?
	A line there, and in the case of, it's kind of ugly in a sense, but basically it goes like this.
	The idea is to break a person down, even as a child, and to get the soul to dislodge from the vessel, that is, to dissociate.
	And to then be indwelt with a powerful, as powerful a demon as can be, as possible, so that that person then grows up with the ability, with lots of power, and the ability to wield power within the satanic system, let's say.
	Zeph, I interviewed a young lady on my program once who was a satanist, and she told me that Her one big goal was to make absolutely certain that her very young son went straight to hell with her.
	Actually, you know, most of the ones that I know, and I do know, and I have to say this, I've gotten beyond the idea of hating people that have hurt me and all that, and I'm looking at it as the human condition, you know, the spiritual battle.
	And I've never met anyone who Satanists who actually believed they were going to hell, they somehow believed they were going to rise above it.
	They were going to make a change at some point in their life, that God would eventually forgive them.
	They don't believe that.
	Most of the ones that I know are avid churchgoers.
	They go to Bible study.
	Most of the Satanists you know?
	Yeah, the friends of mine that I had are They're very active in the church, and they're very active in the community.
	Well, that sounds illogical.
	I know.
	Absolutely illogical.
	I mean, if you're worshipping Satan, and that's the right word, worship, then God would be the antithesis of what you believed was true and right and powerful.
	Right.
	And I think the reason they get affiliated in the church system, or for the affiliation, For business, for other reasons.
	They don't get affiliated with it for the quest for God.
	Oh, just a good old boy network, huh?
	It's more of a social... So they practice their Satanism in secret.
	And also, another aspect of it, is to do good works to offset the negative.
	And they believe that by doing that... Like when the Mafia gives money to needy organizations, right?
	It's the spiritual mafia.
	But the idea is, again, to get the soul to dislodge.
	In other words, to traumatize a child or traumatize a victim or a target to the point where they will give up, their spirit will give up, and they'll be able to be indwelled with whatever the family spirit is, whatever the group spirit is, because Satanists work in groups.
	And that's the idea.
	The more powerful an entity one is indwelt by, the better they're going to do in life.
	That's what they think.
	So what happens to people that refuse or fight back?
	Do you know, in fact, that's true?
	I mean, can you tell me definitively that there are not a lot of Satanists who are rich, powerful, And some names we'd recognize, you know, that there are not people out there gaining from Satan now?
	Well, there are people gaining.
	Again, it's passed on from generation to generation, usually.
	And the ones that don't go with it usually wind up dead.
	We call that a satanic sacrifice.
	And it's a brutal system.
	Again, the spiritual mafia, it's a brutal You know for a fact that there are human sacrifices to the devil?
	Yes, unfortunately.
	How do you have this knowledge?
	I don't want you to say anything to get you in any trouble.
	I've been in trouble in terms of... Actually, one person whose work says I'm an assassin told me, as long as you keep talking and writing and publishing You know, you probably will be alright, but if you go silent, you'll be whacked.
	You'll be whacked?
	Yeah.
	So, in other words, to whack you right now would bring too much attention on the dark side.
	Well, it would be... Well, then everything Zeph said was right.
	That is like the Mafia, huh?
	Well, it's... For me, it was like this.
	My life was in danger when my programming... And I will go into that in a second about what was my programming.
	What is mind control?
	How that's a part of it?
	You know people that are spiritual and physical assassins that kill.
	I mean, I want to understand your level of involvement.
	Have you seen this with your own eyes?
	Have you seen it done?
	Well, as a... In the work I've done in ministry, I've, you know, obviously been there with confessions with people who have killed, you know, who have assassinated a lot of people.
	And usually it's made to look like a missing person or an auto wreck or something like that.
	Well, you just used the word ministry.
	You're critical, though.
	It says here you're critical of organized religion.
	Have been.
	Why?
	Because of seeing the involvement of people that have been duplicitous, let's say.
	For example, Satanists in the church behaving as if they're worshiping God, and really, I don't know what they're doing there.
	But they are very much involved in the organization and it's a battle.
	I don't have anything against people going to church, really.
	That's not it.
	It's looking for God in church rather than being on that quest for God in your life, you know, 24-7.
	And going to church or going to the library, going to university or anything like that, I have no problem with that.
	I don't, you know, that's not the...
	So your criticism, then, of organized religion is just what?
	That it allows these Satanists to get together in some horrible charade?
	Let's just say that I've been hurt in those environments, and I've seen other people hurt in that same way, and I'm like, why is this going on here?
	This should be a place of worship, a sanctuary, a safe place, a good place.
	I've talked to Satanists, Zef, who say, look, I don't know how to put this except bluntly, you know, they say that they want, I guess they think that this life is it, and they want everything they can get out of this life, because that's what they want, and they think Satanism, the dark side, can get these things for them in this life, and it should be told Is that possible or not?
	And if it really is possible, then you can understand the temptation that leads them there.
	Absolutely.
	That's how I feel.
	I feel a lot of compassion for people who've gone to that side, and I understand it perfectly.
	At the same time, a lot of people, once they're in and they want to get out, they're afraid.
	I remember praying with one young man that And he was afraid to pray because they would hear him.
	And I said, how can they hear you if it's just you and me praying for you to get free of this bondage and to walk out of that Satanism and just accept God and go that straight and narrow and just stay on that path?
	Why so afraid to pray?
	Well, we're a very short-term kind of society, Zef.
	We want instant gratification.
	You know, instant results, and nice cars, nice homes, lots of nice things, and maybe people have come to believe that, and maybe there is an example that Satan can provide that.
	Of course, you know, it's pay later, right?
	On the pay later plan, but still.
	Pay later, and you do pay with, you know, your soul, but the thing is, is for everyone that has all those things, there are many who are poor and are wanting, and they're waiting, and they're doing Favors for the group, for the Coven, however they're affiliated with Satan.
	Yes.
	And they do what they're told to do, and they enslave themselves to that, hoping that one day their ship's going to come in.
	Because after all, they're giving everything up in order to get the world.
	But how come it hasn't come in?
	How come their ship hasn't come in?
	How come they're not rich?
	Well, I guess what I'm asking a little while ago is, how do you know there aren't a bunch of rich, well-to-do Satanists?
	Well, there are.
	Well, there you are.
	And that's the temptation.
	It's the lust for this life, but beyond that, it's, in a way, ignorance.
	Because most of the people that I know that are there, they yearn to be out of it, but they don't know how to get out of it.
	Well... And so, there's the battle, and that's where that spiritual battle comes in, and it's every individual's battle.
	Well, I'll tell you, the Satanists I've talked to, and I've talked to a few, Zef, they didn't want out at all.
	You know, in fact, they were laughing at religion, laughing at God, laughing at that whole trip.
	No, Zef, I didn't get that feeling at all, that they... I know those two, just the same type of people you're talking about.
	Yes.
	I'm sure that from your point of view, you want them converted.
	You want them to understand your truth, or the truth, and convert.
	But the ones I've talked to, Zef, they weren't like that at all.
	They were happy.
	Just happy and as devoted to Satan as the most religious person that I'd have on the air, you know, trying to proselytize.
	Yes, absolutely.
	A lot of those that seem so happy are a magnet for others to want to be like them.
	Of course!
	And you get a society going that direction, and it's not hard to figure out if everyone could get in that and get the money and grab onto this life while this life is going on, they would do it if they don't value their soul.
	And that really is where the rub is.
	Is there a soul?
	Well, you know, I was about to ask you that in the form of a more difficult question, and that is, if I were to ask you to do your very best to convince me that there's a soul, that we really have a soul, how would you do it?
	Well, what I would say is this, in your quietest moments, when you have thoughts that are not timed, in other words, not geared to this Temporal life, for example, the idea of love, the idea of looking at nature and seeing its beauty, the idea of listening to your own inner thoughts.
	Are you your ego, or are you something deeper?
	And are you sure you're not confusing consciousness with soul?
	Well, I think the soul is conscious, and I think the ego battles the soul, or tries to put it into bondage, so that you think the ego, your eye, Is, you know, this life, the flesh, your desires, is who you are.
	But I like to say this.
	You are a soul.
	What is a soul?
	A soul is you without the ego.
	And who is that person?
	A lot of people don't know that person.
	Hence, they don't value that.
	They value the ego.
	The ego is the one that decides to To grab onto, even though this life is fleeting, to grab onto it.
	But in Satanism, you have to remember, it is a conscious decision to give that soul up.
	People do know they're going to give something up.
	They know it's not for free.
	They know there's a price to pay.
	You don't get all that stuff for nothing.
	Are you fortunate that you were not sacrificed in the name of Lucifer?
	Well, it's amazing to me that there was intervention, which also shows, has proven, you know, that God exists and God has had his hand on me.
	Were you in danger of being sacrificed?
	I was.
	You were?
	Several times, and I remember... How close?
	Well, I was in a coma in Denver when I was 18, and I was given pharmaceutical phenobarbital, enough to kill about 10 people.
	And this was done in a very orchestrated way.
	Oh my God.
	And then I was, after that, they locked me away for seven years.
	And during that time, they convinced me that nothing ever happened, that I did it to myself, and that they didn't do it to me, and that I had, you know, that there are four fingers and not three.
	And I imagine you had to convince them that you believed that to get out, right?
	Well, it was a long time.
	I mean, they just, after that, my life was totally controlled.
	I mean... Alright, hold tight right there, Zeph.
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	the late 1800s or the early 1900s, I don't recall the details now, but I had the wire
	service story. It came out of the medical journals too.
	A doctor did very carefully controlled experiments back before the PC days when you couldn't do this kind of thing.
	And he put things that were dying on a scale.
	A very, very, very accurate scale.
	And this doctor measured the exit of the soul and actually was able to detect the weight of a human soul at about three-quarters of an ounce, leaving the human body at the moment of death.
	That's a real story, folks, and somewhere I've got it, and I'll dig it out and get it on the website if I can.
	But that's what we're talking about tonight.
	In the end, we're talking about the soul.
	The human soul.
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	Stay right where you are.
	our staff daniel will be right back you know before you get all out of control and say oh no
	you know they're measuring gases or liquids or something like that, forget it all.
	All of that was taken into account in this scientific study.
	Now, of course, you can't do that in the modern day.
	At least, I don't think you can.
	It's politically incorrect, you know.
	Hey, you're dying.
	Hop up on that scale.
	Can't do that these days.
	Zev, welcome back.
	Have you ever heard of that medical study?
	Yes, I have, Mark.
	You have?
	I think that it's valid, and I believe the soul is a thing, and I believe that every soul wants to emancipate to eternity, to where there is no death, to where there is no strife, to where there is peace.
	And the flesh, it seems, or the battle that we face is that To make things work like that in this life, to find peace, to find love, to find happiness.
	The flesh and the ego have to keep the soul in bondage, in a way, from emancipating in the spirit.
	Alright, you said some things here, or I guess you said them.
	The human soul, which is what this farm called Earth is all about, It is a commodity bought and sold on the intergalactic market.
	That's a big stretch from where we are.
	Sounds like we're crude oil.
	That's something that I had seen in the spirit and that I was shown in that early time after the overdose situation.
	I had seen And just please bear with me, this is going to sound really crazy, and it's not.
	The story doesn't change.
	It seemed that this facility, and I won't even call it a psychiatric hospital, I don't know what exactly, it was a hospital of some sort, but it seemed that what they were doing to the kids, most of the people there were, I was at that time 17 years old, and most of the people there were Around my age, a little younger, maybe just slightly older.
	And what seemed to be happening to some of them, not all, but some of them, is that their souls, I don't know how this happened, but they were somehow extracted, and they had a whole different personality within, seemingly overnight, but they weren't the same person.
	It was like their soul, whoever they were, their essence, their you-ness, if you will, was taken out.
	How do you know you just weren't observing the effect of, you know, drugs given to the patients?
	Well, because I'd seen this over and over again, and not all of them were drugs.
	I mean, this is like literally taking one person out of his body and switching it with something else.
	And that something else was a little bit more robotic, totally The spirit of a person can be scalped and then held in various high-tech devices, boxes?
	Yeah, I was shown a box at that time.
	A soul box.
	If you will.
	some of the people have gone on uh... to to do very well
	the spirit of the person can be scalped and then held in various high-tech
	devices boxes i was shown a the box
	at that time assault box if you will and uh...
	i did not see the fall go into the box but i understood that to be something
	some kind of alien if you will device
	And one more thing, and this is going to make me sound even more crazy, but I'm just going to lay it out as best I can.
	The people there, some of them, in my view, some of them were not human.
	Okay, they were they were going they had they were what I would call alien with a with a human form and
	They were the ones orchestrating this and of course That's a strong word, Zeph.
	Alien is a strong word to interject.
	Yes.
	And so do you mean it in the most literal sense?
	In the most, well, put it this way, in the most literal sense that we have seen, the, you know, beings that were not, you know, human, they're also ships.
	You saw ships and you saw beings?
	And it was connected, and this was all connected to this operation and to abductions and all that.
	That was all connected.
	And we're going to get to abductions.
	I knew that they were connected to your story.
	In fact, you think you can explain abductions, right?
	Well, I think that I can explain why, in some cases, When people want to get free of the abduction syndrome, because they say, well, I didn't give permission to this.
	I'm a Christian.
	Yes.
	I pray the blood of Jesus on this situation.
	I'm still being abducted.
	Why is that?
	Well, that's a pretty good question, isn't it?
	And... What's the answer?
	The answer has to do with the soul, with the person that... what is in their soul that is blocking... blocking them from God.
	There is like an occlusion.
	And that...
	is something that a person can remove.
	In other words, you don't need to open your heart to the Lord.
	You need to be broken down by the Lord, to be built back up the way He wants.
	And this abduction and other demonic oppression sometimes will stay with a person, even though they keep praying and going through deliverance after deliverance.
	Well, I guess I want to understand how literal you intend to sling the word alien.
	Do you really mean alien as in alien life form from another planet, or do you mean alien as in something projected, which is really either demonic or otherwise?
	Well, let's call it demonic for now, and even though we understand that demonic It's a hierarchy that does also have, you know, they have vessels, they have... they can make beings, if you will.
	I don't consider them beings with souls, exactly, but they... They can create beings.
	They have that ability.
	They could create what we would regard as an alien being from another planet.
	Yeah, but that other planet thing, again, the whole alien thing, in a lot of cases, is simply A cover story for the demonic oppression.
	Yeah, I had a feeling that was your message.
	I don't, but I don't believe that, you know, I don't believe that... Do you think it's all a cover?
	I don't think it's all a cover, no.
	I believe it's a mix, and I believe it's very complex, and in some cases it is purely demonic, and in other cases there are vessels that are real.
	Go back to the book of Enoch, and you probably I'm familiar with that word.
	The Watchers, they call them, the fallen angels, asked Enoch to talk to God on their behalf to see if they could get back in the good graces, I'm just paraphrasing.
	And the answer was strange.
	The answer was, do not pray for the Watchers, pray for men.
	you know, so they were put off. There was no definitive answer given to them.
	But what I took from that was that, well, they're going to have their vessels.
	They're going to create what they're going to create. They will create their civilizations.
	They'll be allowed to do that. And they will have vessels.
	They will have beings.
	You say something here that chills me a little. And when I hear things coming from different
	sources, it bothers me.
	You talk about the moon, and you talk about a base on the moon, and this has to do with souls, NDE experiences, the travel of souls in the moon.
	Is there a crystal city on the moon, right?
	There's a crystal structure that I had been... I traveled to see it in the spirit.
	And I saw something there called the Council, and sometimes called the Council of Elohim.
	And they were the watchers over the earth, or at least that's what they thought.
	Well, I had somebody recently tell me that there was a receiving station for souls on the moon.
	Now, is that something that resonates with you?
	I had said that I knew that 1990, and it said it then, and I think I said it on an earlier show on Coast to Coast.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay, then why have our astronauts not even seen a hint... I mean, they haven't at least admitted that they've seen a hint of anything untoward on the moon?
	Not so much as anything.
	Oh, I'm aware of that.
	And I haven't even really dwelled on it.
	I mean, that's just one experience that I had really relating, and when I wrote that, it was... Well, I mean, it's an important question.
	We had men there, and they would've, should've seen... They orbited while they waited for their friends down on the surface, right?
	And they should've seen a crystal city.
	There should've been some transmission saying, Mission Control, we've got a crystal city under us at the moment, or something like that.
	Well, perhaps it was not visible to them.
	And perhaps it was more of a spiritual vision than physical or a combination.
	You know, I don't know what they have seen, what they haven't seen.
	I know what I've seen.
	And I know that I'm not, I haven't dwelt on that particular issue.
	I haven't been back in the spirit.
	It's just one experience that I have.
	I know, but it's an important one because it resonates with something, well, John Lear said to me.
	He said there was a receiving station for souls on the moon.
	Well, that's mind-blowing, because it confirms what I've been shown.
	Yeah.
	How can we prove it?
	It's one of those things that we can't prove.
	We can say it, but we can't prove it.
	Well, but you've seen it.
	You know it's true.
	I've seen it, and in my spirit, in my soul, you know, I know what I've seen.
	And yes, I believe it is true.
	I believe there is something to this.
	I don't really think that it's all nice and good and beneficent and benevolent.
	You see your relatives coming out in waves of love and everyone's lovey-dovey and it's all going to be a happy experience.
	I think it has something to do with getting permission, getting your free will, getting your consent.
	Listen, Zeph, I've got to ask what's going to probably seem like a rude question, but when you're talking about incredible things, and we are talking about incredible things here, it requires some understanding.
	In my position, I've got to ask this question.
	I mean, you were admittedly involved in satanic ritual abuse as a youngster.
	You alluded to the fact that you were in some kind of facility I guess a psychiatric facility?
	I'm just guessing, but it was that, right?
	So, it's an obvious question.
	How can you be sure, Zef, that everything you're telling me right now, that you experienced, I can feel it, I can hear it in your voice, that you understand, you believe it.
	But, I mean, it's an obvious question.
	If you were in a psychiatric facility, how do you know that you weren't delusional?
	How do you know that you weren't observing, in a delusional state, other people that were in a delusional state, getting medicated, and so forth and so on, explaining a lot of what you've got here?
	Well, I definitely was delusional back then.
	Yeah, I'm not delusional, but definitely mind-controlled in the sense that there were certain, quote, doctors, unquote, on my case, which, you know, Made me believe that nothing like any of these things that I've said tonight had ever occurred.
	Of course.
	And as I... And I believe... Not only did I... I believe that I was delusional about the things that I had experienced.
	In other words, they had me turned around backwards for a good... I don't know how many years.
	Anyway, when they released me, My life was like the Truman Show.
	I mean, everyone around me was appointed, was assigned to me.
	And then what they used me for, why they didn't just kill me, is they used me for things like, uh, for spiritual things.
	And for, sometimes they would have me write down, um, you know, like an equation or, uh, ideas, things like that.
	And they would just take whatever I'd written and take it away.
	And other times they would bring me around people that were ill.
	And who was they?
	They, just people that were around me as a child, let's say.
	Oh, I see.
	Significant others, teachers, friends, family, other families.
	All right, to get out of this facility, Zeph, I assume that you had to finally agree with them that everything you had experienced was delusional and I'm better now, otherwise they don't let you out.
	But I not only agreed with them, Art.
	I really, really believe that I was mistaken.
	In fact, the memory was even gone.
	I had no real memory of the trauma, the things that I had seen.
	There were people that had been killed and all kinds of things.
	I could not believe that that could be true.
	It just went against everything in my soul, everything that I Well, OK, so then if you really felt that way at the moment of your release, you had been mind controlled to that point.
	Then how do we get from there to where we are today and what you are telling me is true and did happen and was real in Israel?
	Well, later on in my life, the programming obviously fell apart and at that time there were a bunch of people that were coming around Again, assigned to me to put the programming back.
	They don't really care much if you feel suicidal or go to the doctor or tell them you need medication.
	They don't mind that.
	What they mind is that the truth would come out and that you would be conscious of the system around you, the society, the people around you and what they were all about.
	And as I said, I think they use people like us, those who have... I guess are not them.
	They use us for certain spiritual things.
	That's the only reason I... I can't think of another reason I'd be alive right now.
	Well, you sound reasonable.
	You're saying fantastic things, you know, but you do sound pretty reasonable and not In a delusional state right now?
	No, I'm not sure.
	I don't think so.
	What happened is I had, I guess what you would call, just a few years ago, like a total breakdown of everything.
	Everything flooded back.
	All the memories flooded back.
	I suddenly looked around and I saw people and I understood that they were assigned to me and I understood this whole thing was so bizarre.
	And I cried out to God then, that's how that began, and I just said, look, I'm too... I know they want me to kill myself, and I know they're going to kill me, and I'm beyond even caring anymore, but God, if you're there, if you're, you know, real, would you help me?
	And?
	And he did.
	I felt this presence within me, you know, speaking to me, talking to me, and saying that I am your father, I'll never leave you nor forsake you, and you have been hurt.
	And he began to fill in all the blanks, and I would test the information with people that were in the know, and it was all true.
	Zev, how old are you now?
	I'm 50.
	And when did all of this dark period in your life end?
	How many years ago now?
	Well, it would be in the year 2000 when the... 1990 it broke, and then I was kind of put back together, and then in 2000 it finally completely collapsed.
	The idea that the world was the way I thought it was, and that the society I was born into is the way I thought it was, and the people around me were the way I thought they were, and they weren't assigned to it.
	You know, later I find out, I'm like, everyone around me is assigned to me, and I'm like, what is this?
	Well, that wasn't very long ago, so you've only been out of this period of darkness for a relatively short time.
	Very short time.
	All right, Jeff.
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	And Zef Daniel, actually.
	Zef Daniel.
	He's quite a case, all right.
	He had an early life of satanic ritual abuse.
	He then apparently spent quite a bit of his, quite a number of his adult years, I guess, in a psychiatric institution.
	And there are many fast-blasting me, suggesting that what we're hearing is a psychiatric problem.
	We'll ask him about that.
	I mean, it's fair.
	It's absolutely fair.
	On the other hand, what he may have experienced may be absolutely real.
	It does resonate with a number of things that other people have said.
	And if he does know something about the soul, then we have every obligation to ask.
	and reincarnation or what that song just suggested is certainly one of those
	by the way is that daniels written a book called lamb Zeph, what is LAM?
	LAM is about a lot of this, what I'm talking about tonight.
	It's about several different characters.
	It's also a prophetic story about terrorism and earth changes.
	and there is ok terrorism and earth changes and
	okay lamb are well i've identified them as
	people that are not on the dark side of all the other people that belong to god and
	and uh... just don't go the way of the world there just Mostly undecided voters.
	Yeah, undecided or decided to be with Him and not... All right, Zeph, look, I've got to ask you this.
	I mean, with the history you just laid on us, rituals, satanic abuse, years in a psychiatric facility, it's obvious I'm going to get Messages, fast blasts, you know, the guy's crazy.
	Everyone thinks I'm crazy like that because they're not.
	The ones that are listening, that are hearing what I'm saying in the spirit, who are spiritual people, they know that what I've been through, a lot of them have been through the same thing, unfortunately.
	And others that, hey, God bless everyone, but if they think I'm crazy and they want to just write me off that way, I have, I understand, if I were them I'd probably I think the same thing if I had their experience.
	They haven't had my experience.
	Well, that's fair.
	They haven't had your experience.
	That's right.
	I mean, you torture somebody and, you know, things get pretty messed up.
	I'm sure they do.
	Ritual abuse of children is a problem, and I told you the reason why it's done is there's a purpose to it.
	There's a clinical reason for it, and that's to dislodge the soul.
	This is tantamount to permission for the indwelling of A demonic entity that grows up as that person.
	To those people, Zef, who are saying, you know, you're crazy, you're still crazy, you know, is there any way in your own mind or for us that you can make us understand that What happened to you is real, not a delusion, not craziness.
	I mean, for a lot of my life, Zef, I've thought that there probably are quite a few people in mental institutions that aren't crazy.
	They just seem crazy to us.
	Oh, the things.
	If you had time.
	Well, I have time.
	This is a long radio program.
	Okay.
	Well, all right.
	First of all, thank you for being patient with me and, you know, for all Well, it might sound pretty out there, and if people want to know more about me, the fast blasters out there that are saying crazy and all that, if they want to indulge themselves, they can go to ZephNet.com, and there there's over 2,000 writings, I think something like that, 1,000 at least, maybe 1,500.
	I began these writings in the year 2002 in March.
	And it was my spiritual journey, healing journey, if you will.
	And they can follow that and look through the archives.
	There's about a hundred and some odd hours of audio there.
	There's interviews I've conducted with others.
	They can look at all that and try to figure out if I'm crazy or not.
	They can get the book, Lamb, from Amazon.com, and there's a link on our links page.
	And they can see people who are mind-controlled that did military ops.
	People who are mind-controlled, that they tried to mind-control and it didn't work, who have fought back in the spirit, they can see the earth changes and things that we predict are going to be happening, which indeed are beginning to happen now.
	There's a lot that's happening right now.
	And I was used throughout my life, Art, for, if you like, they used me for spiritual reasons.
	And one of those was to find out what I knew about what was going to happen in the future.
	If I could... I suppose when people cut themselves off from God, they want somebody who's still connected around, right?
	So, those around you thought you were... They always called me the God Mind.
	You were touched, as it were, right?
	In other words, you had some insight that It wasn't just pure hallucination and mental illness, but was very real, and so they were using you knowing that something real was going on with you.
	Is that right?
	That's correct, and there were lots of confirmations along the way.
	Well, like what?
	Well, okay, this was just one example.
	There was one time I had a Oh, you might call him a social worker I was mad at.
	And I had seen, either I had seen, I don't, you know, I don't want to say that any kind of profit plays a role in the fulfilled prophecy.
	I said, your house is going to be struck by lightning tonight.
	Yes.
	And it was.
	And it was.
	Well, now then.
	And then, after that, Everyone sort of backed off.
	I would be included in that bunch.
	You really?
	But I don't feel like, I don't know how it happened.
	Somehow that's on the record somewhere?
	Well, it's not on a record that you could read.
	I suppose you could track him down.
	He told me at one point about this, and I can't go into a lot of the You know, names and everything.
	No, please don't.
	Because it would blow your mind, totally.
	You can research me elsewhere for that.
	And I don't do a lot of... I hate dropping names, anyway.
	I don't hate people.
	Thank you.
	Don't drop names.
	Okay, but in this place, that social worker later on, when we were just both two sovereign individuals talking to each other, he felt very guilty that he would That he, of the part he played in my life and others.
	Because he said he knew we weren't crazy.
	He knew we didn't belong there.
	He knew why we were there.
	He just, he was just, you know, the whole thing was a sham.
	My God.
	In other words, he was covering for the Satanists.
	And that's why he kept telling me over and over, and they kept pounding me, To repeat the story that there was no such thing as anything I had ever seen.
	This incident that you caused... I don't think I caused it.
	Did you cause it or did you simply observe the immediate future?
	Was it a precognitive thing or don't you worry a little bit, Zef, that you caused it?
	Well, there's been a lot of things similar to that and also positive things that I don't think I'm I consciously sat there, like a witch might do, and take a voodoo doll and do a ritual to get something to happen.
	I didn't do that.
	It was just this quick, I don't know, almost spiritual indignation.
	It was just, this is going to happen, and it did.
	Sounds a little Carrie-ish, you know?
	It did, yeah.
	That does come to mind.
	Well, there was a person that was Obviously totally abused, and picked on by these awful bullies, and then, you know, but she had spiritual gifts.
	Well, right.
	And those came, you know, came to bear.
	Well, I see a little parallel there, don't you?
	Possibly?
	It could be, but I've also had, it's strange, I have been, um, had kind of a healing gift on people as well, and I'm not I'll be talking to somebody about something totally unrelated, and their life would change, and I know that in the spirit something was going on.
	I was being used.
	Everything that happens, I like to think is God's will, ultimately, and that we are used to effect His will.
	And our ego likes to think it's in charge, but I think God's in charge, ultimately.
	But how do you know that was God?
	I mean, usually when you're petitioning for a lightbulb, a lightning bolt to, you know, hit somebody... Well, I was mad at the time.
	No, I understand, but I mean, you just wouldn't think God would be pleased being, you know, asked for, you know, the lightning bolt.
	Yeah, it was so quick, though, Art.
	It was like... So you're sure it came from God?
	I don't think it came from... I don't know.
	I just can't say that I did it.
	I'd be very concerned, though.
	I mean, you know, in that moment, I am interested to know in that moment when you realized that a lightning bolt was going to hit his house.
	Let me think about this.
	Did it just come to you that that was going to happen or you did admit you were angry?
	I was angry, and I blurted it out, and I saw it as I was blurting it.
	Oh, so you know, that really sounds like you did that.
	Or... You lined yourself up.
	It's a fine line there, Art.
	You know?
	But it's... Anyway, the fact of the matter is... You weren't screwing with the clouds behind my house earlier?
	No, no, no.
	No.
	No, I... Anyway, that was just one...
	Kind of incident.
	Maybe you know something about, I mean, you obviously tell me you know something about the nature of the soul.
	I've always been curious about reincarnations, F. Are souls recycled?
	What I have to say about time and eternity and the soul is, the soul is eternal and reincarnation is too simplistic.
	What I've seen regarding the soul and regarding what's possible with incarnations, if you will, It would go again, it would sound like another bizarre story, but what I've seen is that people actually, souls have the capacity to multiply incarnate.
	In other words, you could be in five different time zones at once, and be conscious, say, of one.
	And some souls go to and fro from eternity and they're here, and then they're also in eternity, if you will.
	And they're not conscious of that life in eternity.
	They're conscious of being here, but they're also conscious of being eternal, and they can incarnate anywhere along the timeline.
	There is no time, so everything that has ever happened or will happen is all concurrent.
	So as souls advance, there are things that are so mind-boggling.
	The soul is made in the image and likeness of God.
	So, I guess you're saying there is not reincarnation?
	Well, it's just the word re.
	If you just say incarnation and the possibilities of that soul going to and fro from eternity or being in different timelines like a soul could be, you know, in various incarnations at the same time.
	So, reincarnation as in a singular event is too simplistic to describe what happens?
	Yes, well, it's just that, you know, different people look at it different ways.
	In the West, we have this idea of reincarnation as being something desirable, you know, like you're going to live on into another life, don't worry about it.
	In the East, they want to get out of it.
	In other words, the idea of being born over and over to suffer and die, they don't like, you know, how do you get off that wheel of reincarnation?
	So we have two different views of it.
	Supposed to achieve perfection, I think.
	And yes, the whole point of the soul and the learning and the emancipation of the soul is to learn to get to that point of eternity, to get free of death and suffering and hatred and all those things that bind us.
	Well, it sounds like there's a real dangerous path for the soul to potentially follow.
	I mean, with scalpers along the way who could toss you into a box?
	There has to be permission for that.
	In other words, somewhere in that person's life, in that person's soul, there must be some kind of a permission.
	Like, say, for the abduction scenario, you may pray overtly about it and you're still being abducted.
	Why is that?
	We know so many cases like that.
	You know, for example, It's undeniable that people have prayed and not been delivered from that kind of affliction.
	Some of that abduction stuff is just demonic.
	How much of it do you think is demonic, Seth?
	I think a good part of it is demonic.
	In other words, it occurs in dreams.
	It occurs like, for example, you've heard of astral projection, astral travel.
	Well, it's more of an astral experience.
	And then some is literal, where there's literal hybridization.
	I know people That had been impregnated over and over and the fetus taken out at three months.
	That story that we've heard, I know people that have gone through that and been free of it for a while and then been brought back in.
	Let's look at the soul of that person.
	What is that soul needing?
	Why is that happening to that soul?
	It seems to me, this is my opinion, that every soul Receive in this life, in any life, what it means to emancipate.
	So, for example, let's say you get a lot of bad treatment in life.
	Over and over, the same pattern happens.
	You know, you get the same kind of rejection or the same kind of thing that happens.
	What is it the soul is needing?
	Is it needing for you to break your hatred of something?
	Is there something you're holding on to, a resentment that's somehow causing that pattern to occur again and again until you let go?
	Until you forgive?
	Until you love?
	So you will get beyond that.
	That pattern will continue.
	Why can't we just pray and have that pattern go away?
	Why does it have to repeat?
	And I believe it's because the soul needs that to finally break the person of something.
	It may not be related exactly to that, say, rejection.
	In order for that soul to then be released to the next thing, to the next level.
	And so therefore, Each person is on a different level spiritually.
	Each soul is on a different level of learning.
	What has to happen is that person must take responsibility, first of all, for their life, for what happened to them.
	In my case, I've got to take responsibility for being born into an abusive situation, having been hurt.
	I can't blame other people.
	I must understand at the soul level why I needed it, or my soul needed it for some reason.
	And that's my field of inquiry.
	That's what I have to be about in order to get beyond it, to get free, to get healed.
	You don't think you're just saying that to yourself, to comfort yourself, do you?
	That my soul had to go through this ritual abuse, this horrible abuse I went through?
	Well, I did that for a number of years.
	I blamed and blamed and blamed.
	And I was mad.
	Angry that I was being abused like anyone would be.
	Of course.
	And, you know, it didn't seem to do any good.
	And it just, after I don't know how many years of similar treatment and, you know, similar things popping up elsewhere with people unrelated to the earlier situation, I'm going, well, now here's a repeating pattern.
	Now, am I doing something to bring that about?
	Is there something in my behavior that's bringing about a repeating pattern?
	If so, then I've got to eradicate it.
	Well, it wasn't behavior.
	It had something to do with a deep level of forgiveness in the soul.
	First of all, forgiving the parents, let's say, and forgiving God, because I found out I harbored a deep, deep hatred of God, because how could He do that to me?
	And now you don't hate him because you have realized... Well, when I find... See, it's a really strange thing.
	It's almost... As soon as I got to that point of understanding, it had to be a deep understanding and a forgiveness and a letting go.
	Yes.
	All those things stopped happening.
	Zeph, hold tight.
	We're going to go to the phones pretty quickly with Zeph Daniel.
	And I'm going to let you ask questions.
	He's a very interesting man in a whole lot of different ways.
	I suppose the initial thing is, well, he's crazy.
	Well, you know what?
	Listen more carefully.
	Maybe he's not.
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	What do you think?
	Crazy or crazy like a fox?
	Zef Daniel is my guest, and on the one hand, it's a crazy story he's telling, right?
	But then on the other hand, maybe it's exactly the way it is, and maybe those people who used him realized that he had had an experience that was not just delusional, but had real meaning.
	And of course then there was a guy whose house got hit by lightning when Zeph told him it would the next day and it
	did.
	Sound of lightning.
	Music.
	We're about to go to the telephones with Zeph Daniel.
	Who again, whose book, he's written a book called Lamb, and we're discussing, I guess, the human soul, mostly.
	And, Zeph, I've got a couple things I would like to ask, if you don't mind, before we do that, before we go to the phones, which should be extremely interesting.
	NDEs, when a person, you know, I've interviewed many, many people over the years, Zeph, who have had NDEs, and they do all describe just about the same thing.
	Tunnel, the light, the relatives, the whole Megillah.
	It comes so frequently and it's so similar that it's hard not to believe when you get the collective evidence together.
	And I've really talked to experts about this stuff.
	I mean, psychologists and people who have done a lot of hypnosis.
	I mean, they've really done serious clinical work and they believe in it.
	But what do you think is really happening when a person is experiencing the so-called near-death?
	What's happening, really?
	Well, the only thing I can tell you about that tunnel of light is that I have been, again, this is in the spirit, for many years, warned, don't go into that light.
	And so... Oh, no, here we... So, all right.
	Have you been listening to a lot of John Lear?
	No.
	All right, well look, John told me, as you, I think you know... This is strange.
	John Donnelier told me that Whitley Shriever told him, if I have it straight and I hope I do this time, that you don't go to the light, you go to the darkness.
	The light is a trick.
	Now, that plagues me that that was said to me, and you're going to sit here and tell me that's right, aren't you?
	Not only that, but I had said this in 19...
	In 1990 and 1992.
	You did?
	Is there any record of that?
	There's no record.
	I'm just saying I'm very happy to have this kind of confirmation that I'm not the only one that thought that.
	Do you have any idea how that screws up the average Christian kind of person, even if you're not a Christian?
	Do you understand how badly that messes with our minds?
	We all know the light is good.
	We all know the darkness is bad.
	I mean, most Christians do.
	So, go to the light.
	Well, I'm a gospel-believing, Jesus-loving Christian.
	And you'd go to the dark?
	And I would go to the dark.
	Oh, man.
	But that, I have known about that since 1990.
	Well, then, what do we have up, or I guess I should say, down there?
	I mean, these poor lambs, to grab the title of your book, who walk into the light and then off the cliff into the pits of burning sewage.
	I don't know what's going to happen to them.
	All I know is, for me personally, it's don't go in there.
	And I know other people would succumb.
	Now, here's what I think is going on there.
	It's the idea of getting, again, permission.
	Permission, free will.
	Very important.
	Free will and permission.
	Now, when a soul It's taken in that way.
	Say permission is given and that soul goes on a journey through the light.
	And they're going to go somewhere else, let's say.
	Let's say they wind up being traded or used in a hybrid or who knows, any number of things.
	Or they wind up back on Earth or who knows where they're going to go.
	Yes.
	It's not over yet for that soul.
	Right?
	The soul is eternal.
	So let's look at the light as maybe a mistake or maybe a limitation rather than A final, rather than an absolutely final decision.
	Right.
	Okay, and that's very important, because I really don't believe that that's the end all and be all mistake, that's it, you're in hell.
	No, I don't believe that.
	If a person goes into the light, that's it.
	I don't believe that.
	I'm just saying for me, where my soul track... They might spend a little time as a pig.
	Who knows where they're going to go, but for my particular soul track, it's not there.
	I have a real...
	Intense need to go to eternity, so that's where I want to go.
	I don't want to go into more various incarnations or various... whatever it is out there that the soul will continue to go through.
	So that's been my instruction.
	Zev, Zev, what if you're wrong?
	Well, I wouldn't be wrong for me, but maybe this information would be wrong for someone else's soul.
	Maybe someone else's soul needs to go through that.
	I can understand that.
	Each soul is different.
	Each soul is on a different track, and what's right for me may not be right for you or someone else.
	It sounds like an absolute knowledge that darkness is the place to go, not the light.
	Perfectly backwards.
	Somehow, I don't know, ever since I've heard this, it's bugged the you-know-what out of me.
	It was always an easy choice before.
	God is up there with the light.
	The devil and the burning pits are down there in the darkness.
	But see, the things on Earth, for example, the things of the devil look really godly.
	I mean, they've got a sheen to them.
	They're beautiful.
	But you wouldn't think that God would engage at that critical juncture in a person's life-slash-death in, you know... Right.
	Boy, did you take the wrong turn kind of joke on souls.
	And is that soul harboring, or is lodged in that soul, some sort of resentment toward God?
	Is there more to it?
	Well, the minute you head into the darkness and it was wrong, you'd be resentful as all hell.
	I just don't think there's a mistake in that situation.
	I think that maybe, you know, the other, wherever that confirmation of what I had seen came from, maybe that's where their soul track is leading where mine is.
	So we have a confirmation and perhaps a lot of people won't agree and they want to go to that light and they want that love from their relatives.
	I mean, wouldn't it be logical that we would want the love and the connection and the Spiritual blessing of being connected in an eternal state, in a spiritual state with our lost loved ones, to know that it's not over.
	To some of them, yes.
	Okay.
	Well, anyway, for some of us, we're not going that way.
	That's all.
	And people are going to make their own decisions.
	I just don't think there's a mistake, necessarily.
	But if you know the knowledge, if this rings true in your spirit, And then you go against what you know.
	If this makes sense to you, what I'm saying, to go to the dark in that particular situation, then you violate that and go to the light and, you know, suffer.
	Well, you know, you knew better.
	And then you went against what you knew.
	All right.
	God, that's incredible.
	All right.
	Soul travel, the ability to travel with your soul, outside the body, astral travel, I also have interviewed Endless numbers of really good people on this subject, and they claim absolutely soul travel, astral travel is real, and you agree with that?
	It's real, right?
	Or not?
	Well, I agree in that there's travel, and there's two methods of this.
	One is self-willed travel.
	That is, let's say you want to be a sorcerer, and you want to go from point A to point B doing your will.
	Yes.
	Okay, that's one thing.
	That's astral travel.
	But when you're talking about, say, being a servant of God and going in the Spirit where He takes you, then that's soul travel, or spirit travel, traveling in the Spirit.
	For example, when John traveled through time to view Revelation, let's say, when he was writing down the book of Revelation, he traveled in the Spirit.
	And then he wrote down what he saw in the past tense.
	Because he had seen it, so he traveled.
	A good friend of mine traveled to this Dulce base at the will of the Lord to dislodge the souls, in other words, to liberate the souls from, he said there were thousands of people kept captive down there.
	At Dulce?
	At Dulce.
	By what?
	Our government?
	Or aliens?
	I don't know.
	Or representatives of the dark side, more likely, I guess you would think.
	Well, that's a subject of inquiry now.
	That's a service that we're doing with Dulce.
	And he ministered in the spirit to those souls to leave those bodies that they have locked up in cages and some experiments.
	And he said someone used his food for these hybrid or alien beings.
	What?
	Wait a minute.
	That we fed human souls to aliens?
	Not human souls, but that the human bodies, the experiments that were done, let's say, I said, well, what happens when they're done with an experiment?
	Say you do a genetic experiment on a human body and you make some abomination, what do they do?
	They write it up for food and they eat it.
	So anyway, I said, so what did you do?
	He said, he went there and preached to them about God and about the liberation and they all left.
	And I said, well then they left husks down there, so what does that mean?
	Husks.
	Are there just a bunch of husks down in Delphi?
	They're not actually people with souls anymore?
	Empty containers!
	Empty containers now, and that was the work that we've been doing, and I had been involved in something similar to that.
	Earlier, anyway.
	Are you aware of whether our government is intermixed and mingled in all of this in some way?
	Well, you can't say who's the government.
	I mean, you have the government you see on TV.
	I doubt they're down there, right?
	Then you have this so-called shadow government.
	Yes.
	And people say that, you know, there are certain military wing, you know, factions of the military and other things.
	We've had testimony from People who have been in a shootout down there.
	So you're not blaming all this on George Bush, right?
	No.
	Alright, so this would only be the shadow government.
	I just, you know, if you're caught up in that whole thing, boy, that's a conundrum.
	Again, you're in a spiritual position of evil, and who knows where all that's going to lead.
	And what is involved with this Dolfi thing?
	I was given a prophecy about this, about Someone was talking about an alien invasion or a fake rapture with the aliens coming up, and I was shown just two days ago a vision of an invasion, but it was an internal invasion.
	It would begin in dreams.
	People would start having dreams now of these beings, and they would have dream abductions and dream experiences, and those could be very harsh with these entities, because You're saying these really aren't dreams, these really are abductions.
	No, no, they're dreams, but the purpose of the invasion coming in dreams first is to get permission from people to be taken.
	That old free will thing.
	Right, and so now they're going to start, this oppression is going to be terrible, it's involving perhaps half the planet.
	And many people are going to start having these collective alien dreams, and they could also be couched in other terms.
	In other words, it doesn't have to be like aliens with bug eyes and ships and all that.
	And all of this just hit you two days ago?
	This was... Well, there's a lot to this, Art.
	I think that one of my... My purpose at this point is to fight this whole thing in the spirit, and I'm a spiritual warrior, so I fight That particular aspect of human oppression, which is the, and I put in big quotes, the alien situation, because it's quite a mystery.
	But in the spirit, it's no mystery.
	It's the oppression and the slaving of human beings, and I'm very against that.
	So we fight that.
	Anyway, prophetically, I'm warning people that if you start having these kinds of dreams, seek God, and seek him in this way.
	Don't just say, oh, please fix this.
	I'm having nightmares.
	You know, or precursors of more horrible things to come.
	You know, maybe I've been going the wrong way in life, but Father, could you just carry me along and just show me something?
	I've got to just lay myself open to you, you know?
	Submit.
	Give up, you know?
	Lay back.
	Don't engage your will, but ask in earnest to be helped with this.
	That's the only way it's going to stop.
	If you want to put God in a box and ask Him questions based on answers you want to get, nothing's going to happen there.
	God's not going to be put in a box, and He may not deal with you the way you want to be dealt with.
	All right, Zeph.
	I have no way of knowing what awaits you on these blinking lines in front of me.
	It could be anything, Zeph.
	Well, you know, I'm ready for anything.
	Well, you need to be.
	And here it comes.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air with Zeph Daniel.
	Hello.
	Hey, good evening.
	Thank you, and God bless both of you guys.
	God bless.
	Thank you.
	You know, I've got a question for you, Zeph.
	You know, I've been listening to what you've been saying while I was driving down the interstate.
	I was cutting in and out.
	But I did catch a lot of what you were saying about your dreams as far as your psychic will.
	I know that's definitely the wrong term, but I have definitely had dreams of earthquakes in China, planes going down in Nova Scotia, things of that nature two and three days before these things are happening.
	Have you warned people?
	Uh, no, because for so long in my life I've had these types of dreams that I've been told as a young child, discount them, it's the devil, it's nothing, don't worry about it, you're just seeing things.
	I've been told that was created quite a bit.
	You've been told, well hey, this is a good call, right?
	Yeah.
	And you know, I walk around, I've got a wife, I've got kids, I've got a family, I have a job, you know.
	And by the way, Zeph is married too, right Zeph?
	And your wife sounded quite nice.
	She called earlier to confirm the telephone connection, and I thought she sounded quite nice.
	What does she think about all this, Zeph?
	Well, we've been together since 1992, and so she's been a witness to the whole process that I've gone through.
	Has she confirmed any of this for you?
	Yes, absolutely.
	She just told me on one of the breaks, she said, you know, not just you, but she's seen the ships.
	She's seen Reptor.
	Hey, you know what?
	You know what, Zef?
	Caller, can you hang on a minute?
	Sure thing.
	Alright, I'm going to put you back on hold.
	Hey, Zef.
	Yeah?
	Oh, darn it.
	I think I've got him.
	Zef, put your wife on.
	Okay, hold on a sec, Art.
	Alright.
	Seems a reasonable thing to do now, doesn't it?
	I don't know why.
	She lives with him, and...
	I mean, a lot of this is very, very, very fantastic stuff.
	But then, on the other hand, his delivery is quite cogent.
	Hello?
	Hi there.
	Hi, Art.
	What is your first name?
	Patricia.
	Patricia.
	Patricia, you know... A lot of people call me Trish these days.
	Okay, Trish.
	Then we'll make it Trish.
	Trish, listen.
	A lot of what your husband says is pretty out there for a lot of people.
	On the other hand, it's very cogent, as I just observed before you got on the line.
	And you've lived with your husband now since, what, 92, was it?
	Let's see.
	Oh, what year is this?
	2004?
	Yeah, I think.
	Uh, 92 we got together?
	Alright, so a long time.
	Yes.
	Can you confirm what Zeph is saying?
	I mean, have you observed anything that Really strongly leads you to believe that what Zef is saying is dead on.
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	You've seen ships?
	Oh yes, and even before I met him, but the most awesome thing was that night when he surrendered, you know, to God.
	Yes.
	And that was such an awesome thing.
	I mean, it was a complete change for both of our lives because You know, we'd always known God, but we never really knew him like we did then.
	And he's the one that, you know, filled in the blanks and, you know, taught us what was going on.
	You know, I wanted to say that during the time when a lot of the programming was unraveling for Zeph, when he was starting to come out of denial and heal, start to heal, You were a great input right there, because a lot of the stuff, the weird stuff that had gone on in our lives, such as quote-unquote aliens or whatever, demonic, this and that, was being talked about on your show.
	Have you seen these aliens?
	I have seen some weird stuff.
	I'm going to come back to you for a minute when we get back from the break, so you hold on to the phone and let Zeph relax for a few minutes, alright?
	Okay.
	Alright, good.
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	So, what do you think, Pookie?
	Is life a circle, as she sang, or is it a straight line?
	Do you go to the light, or do you go to the darkness?
	Is the light really a trick?
	My guest is Zef Daniel and now his wife for a few more moments.
	We'll be right back.
	A lot of what Zeph Daniels says is pretty wild stuff.
	I mean, it's absolutely out there.
	There's no question about it.
	His wife is on the line.
	I couldn't resist.
	She's willing.
	Bless your heart for doing it.
	I mean, what have you seen that would tend to confirm?
	You said you've seen ships.
	You've seen aliens.
	What can you describe to me that you've seen that validates all of this, and how did it happen?
	Well, Art, it's lovely talking to you.
	I guess what I've seen mostly is I've gone through a period of, well, close to 15 years now with death, and I'm really grateful that Yahweh, our Creator, has given me Him as my husband and my soul mate, because I guess in my own soul track I needed To hook up with him and be a blessing to him and him be a blessing to me.
	Soulmates, it's called.
	I've got that.
	But what has confirmed for you the things that he's telling me tonight?
	I mean, you've been there listening.
	Well, for instance, what specifically would you... I don't know.
	You said you... I can confirm the tunnel thing.
	I remember we were living in Laguna Niguel at the time and he was just on a rampage.
	He was like...
	Whatever you do, don't fall for that one!
	And then, shortly after that, the John Lear... You're talking about the light in the darkness?
	Yeah, like going into the tunnel thing.
	And at the time, I was like, I don't even really know what you're talking about.
	But in the spirit, I did.
	And I was like, oh, that's a warning.
	And a strange thing happened when my own father passed away.
	My last conversation with him.
	On the phone.
	I was living in Malibu, California, we were at the time, and he's in Alaska, right?
	Yes.
	Dying, and he says, and I'm like, oh, upset, because I'm not there to help, or I feel like I should be doing something, and I can't get away, because we're in the middle of this film thing, and he says, it's okay, honey.
	Everything's going to be alright.
	He goes, don't trust the aliens.
	This is my dad, you know, like, Mr. Straight, and I'm like, Okay, Dad, I know.
	I never have trusted him, you know.
	My first sighting of a weird flying saucer type thing, I guess, was when I was 14 in Alaska.
	You know, that happened.
	I've seen other things.
	I've seen interdimensional beings.
	I've seen winged demons.
	I've seen all kinds of weird stuff.
	I can tell you one thing, Jeff is a healer and I knew that when I first met him and now more and more I'm seeing that come to pass with a lot of people being blessed by what he does.
	He could read the phone book to somebody and something will happen.
	Alright, listen, I want to thank you for coming on the phone.
	It's great to talk to you Art.
	Good to talk to you and go ahead and hand it back to your husband and thank you for coming on.
	Thank you and God bless you.
	You as well.
	All right.
	Back now to Zeph.
	Yes.
	All right.
	I'm back.
	OK.
	Well, that was interesting, certainly, to hear.
	And now, you know, you're going to leave me the way John Lear did.
	Now even more in doubt about all this for the rest of my life.
	And then then I don't know what.
	So you're healed.
	I don't know what I am.
	Anyway, listen, I've had this caller on hold.
	I'm bringing him back now because I don't think we're done.
	Call your back on.
	Thank you very much.
	Thanks for bringing me back on, guys.
	The point I was trying to get to, and the question that I have specifically, you know, most of the visions and the dreams that I have, because these all come to me just at dream state, just hitting that good deep sleep, or usually coming right out.
	Why am I getting a lot of these lately, specifically related to brothers, sisters, The last one I had in particular was I saw a specific site situation inside a vehicle where she was having an affair.
	Why am I seeing these sorts of things and why did they come to me?
	What is this curse or is it a gift?
	And all of these dreams are true, in other words, manifest themselves in real life, right?
	They're materializing, exactly.
	That must have been a troubling last one you had.
	Zephyr, you said there would be a lot of dreams That's right, and that's also biblical about this time we're in.
	The dreams mean that He's being called to service.
	He's being called to warn people.
	He's being called to let others know, to not keep this bottled up.
	But the more that you use this gift to warn and to help people, the more you'll actually, maybe this is a curse in a sense, but the more you'll be given.
	Alright, I have a friend, a very close friend of mine, Zef, a fellow named Danion Brinkley, and he was struck by lightning, and because of that lightning strike, he gained a power that over the years has begun to fade, but when it was at its peak, which was immediately following the trauma, when he was recovered enough to begin Experiencing the things that he experienced.
	I know for a fact that he had powers.
	He could visualize things.
	He could write down... If you had an enemy, he could draw a picture of the enemy's house and car and that person and oh my god, he was... Danion was really one strange cat for quite a while and that was a trauma.
	The trauma of a lightning bolt being virtually electrocuted, fried alive.
	Well, when you see in the spirit, you see ahead of what comes in the physical.
	Your trauma was early in life and ritualistic abuse.
	And I'll tell you, just to give an example of what happens to people, a lot of them dissociate.
	You've heard of MPD, multiple personalities?
	Oh, yes.
	And then, of course, they'll try to use those and program those alters to How long have you been a listener, Zef?
	Well, I listened to you in the early nineties, and then it's been on and off.
	satan elite over generation statement that that's not
	something you read about on the internet you'll never see anything about that
	other on the map okay this is
	you know this is uh...
	how long you been a listener's uh... well i listened to to you in the early nineties and
	then uh... it's been on and off
	and you have you listened through the years and i interviewed for a moment
	you know i left and very briefly once in a while but
	i'll tell you one interview you did with him that doctor because i understood that
	I mean, I also understand, I know of him and his work, but when he talked about the possession and the perfectly possessed.
	Yes.
	Exactly.
	Use that term perfectly possessed.
	He simply said, That these people were ordinary people that you would pass and will pass in the street every single day who have made a deal with the devil.
	They've just simply made a quiet, comfortable deal with the devil.
	And as a result of that quiet, comfortable deal, they're perfectly possessed.
	He said, I know them when I pass them on the street.
	Well, you know them from the death, because you feel the death.
	You feel the cold death.
	There's no light.
	You know, they have to Now, what these people have to do, once you've done that, is you must get power from external forces.
	You do things to get power.
	You might get close to someone who hasn't made that deal and siphon off a little of their life force, if you will, and you are given the power to do that, like a vampire.
	Like a psychic vampire?
	Yes.
	And they'll do that to keep that light from fading out.
	That's the curse that happens.
	You make that deal with the devil, and you become dead, in a sense, and you have to start feeding.
	And feeding is any number of things, but that's the curse.
	That's why I feel sorry for them.
	And this is not a deal that has to be made, according to Father Martin, by the horned one appearing before you.
	This is simply something you only have to think and agree to, and you agree with that.
	I agree that consent, free will, is the key.
	If you decide right now, I mean, I could decide right now that I'm going to consent and I'll bet you anything that I would see a whole bunch of sudden magical blessings occur.
	For example, I might find a check in the mailbox.
	I might find an opportunity, a door opens to publish million copies of books or whatever something like that
	would happen to confirm my quiet
	and then i would go open that door and i'd go through that door and i'd go
	down that path and i'd meet other people and pretty soon and all the sudden and down the road a little ways and i'm
	then i'm i'm really at that and he because
	what i'm down that far and i've taken the money and i've taken the deal i've
	taken the stuff now let's say from that i'd tell up
	gosh i made a mistake too late
	i don't how am i going to get out of it
	I guess I could pay with my life.
	I could say, let them kill me, and that would be my penance for what I did.
	But I don't know.
	Back to the lines.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Zef Daniel.
	Hello.
	Zef, thank you so much for all the validation.
	I want to praise you for being brave enough to come on and speak of such things.
	Praise the Lord, because I don't have any.
	Yeah, I understand that.
	I've had an interesting path myself, but the thing that I'm interested in finding out from you is, what things do you do or have you done to discern God's will?
	I know I've done things like open the Bible at random and have the answers there.
	Used a coin to flip before.
	Some people use a pendulum.
	I'm just curious as to what means the... That's interesting.
	All right, all right.
	Let's ask.
	In other words, when you ask for a sign, God, give me a sign!
	Something!
	Well, a good way of phrasing that would be, how do you know it's not the devil tricking you, you know, and how do you know it's God?
	Oh, that's a good question, yes.
	You know, and one, the very best way I know is to get Quiet time alone where I can say, and just ask the question, just like I'd be talking on the phone here, that's in prayer.
	People say it's in prayer, but I think we need to do more than just pray once in a while.
	You need to be in a relationship.
	You're going, well, God, is that you or is that something else?
	Is that my own ego?
	Is that a demon?
	Is that you?
	And you kind of stumble along.
	I think we all stumble and we all struggle with this.
	And sometimes we are deceived and then we learn a lesson.
	Oftentimes when we make a mistake and we say, oh, that's God's will, it was really my will, you stumble, you fall.
	And then you get back up and then you dust yourself off and you say, hey, I learned something there.
	And maybe that lesson sticks and you don't do it again.
	You know, there's no guarantee we're not going to have pain.
	And we're not going to make mistakes.
	We're going to make mistakes.
	And every time we make a mistake, ultimately, if the soul keeps progressing, it would always be God's will in the end.
	But in terms of that kind of discernment, that has to come in time.
	That's why they call wise men wise men, because they are better at that discernment.
	And foolish men are foolish men.
	If you should accidentally, I guess, walk into a traditional church and the preacher's up there saying, Come to God's light!
	Do you stand up and shout, No!
	Well, you're not talking about that tunnel after that.
	Well, yeah, the light, the darkness.
	Well, if he says come to the light, you know, the light is Christ.
	But I mean, doesn't that set up the trickery?
	Light, light, light.
	God, God, God.
	Association, right?
	Light, God.
	We do know this.
	This is kind of, you know, tricky territory, if you will, that Lucifer appears as often as an angel of light.
	A lot of the things of the devil are beautiful, and they look godly, and you go, whoa, you know, it can impress you that way.
	And at the same time, He also appears as the, you know, the angel of darkness and evil.
	But he goes everywhere on that continuum.
	He's everywhere.
	He's good and bad, but in relative, earthly terms, rather than ultimate, objective, absolute terms.
	Hey, Zef, is life a circle or a straight line?
	Don't answer that.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Zef Daniel.
	Hello.
	Alright, how you doing?
	Alright, I'm fine.
	Okay.
	First off, I just want to make a short statement.
	Zeph is absolutely correct.
	I know where you're at with this.
	I've been going through this all my life.
	Man, you're back in a thousand years, Zeph.
	And the thing is, is that this material world is just a material world.
	It is the spiritual or soul that he's talking about that is what's real.
	Yeah, okay.
	Turn your radio... My question... Wait, wait.
	Okay.
	Wait.
	Turn your radio off.
	Okay.
	I'm gonna go turn it off.
	The first rule.
	First rule of Talk-Tom is turn off your radio.
	There it is.
	It's off.
	Alright, good.
	Okay.
	The question I wanted to ask him is because he was talking about dreams and stuff, and I just wanted to ask him, have you had the dream with the fire raining down out of the sky?
	I have had that dream before, but not recently.
	Okay.
	You mentioned the moon and this thing that was on the moon.
	It was shown to me that the moon was hollow.
	And so whatever it is that you were saying that you were shown in the spirit, I don't think it's on the surface.
	I think it's hollow.
	Did you know that NASA actually did some experiments with detonations of some sort on the moon and got all this ringing that was really weird that they couldn't explain.
	Are you serious?
	Oh, I'm always serious about this sort of thing.
	Yes, they got a ringing they could not explain.
	Oh my God.
	And I was told in this dream, because I was shown the moon and I was shown two halves of it.
	Now, I don't know what this means, but I was told in the dream that the moon is split up in equal lateral Eclipses.
	Whatever that means.
	Alright, well, dream stuff again.
	So, more people with the dreams.
	Everybody dreams.
	Alright, we all dream.
	We know that.
	So, how do we separate the dream dreams from the kind of dreams you were talking about?
	Well, this kind of dream is, first of all, it will reveal itself as something completely other than any other kind of dream.
	In other words, it will seem, you know how sometimes you'll have a dream that seems very real, even more real than life?
	You're sort of saying you'll know it when you have it.
	You'll know it when you have it.
	I remember this one incident, I might as well relate this very quickly if I could.
	You can.
	When I was together with my wife in 1992, I was going through an awakening then that got stopped, but here's what happened.
	Okay, one of these little beings, a small grey, if you will, it had exactly the size, the height of the doorknob, appeared.
	Now there were also UFO sightings over the house, and there was a battle going on in the spirit, and we were fighting back and forth, and I felt they were trying to get me.
	Well, anyway, he shows up in the room, black eyes the whole bit, and there was like a little light behind the eyes that was moving, and immediately thereafter I blacked out, and I went into a dream state where I was being dragged across this hotel, motel, a seedy motel room, as if I was going to be dragged out the door.
	Yes.
	And I grabbed onto something and wrenched myself awake, and I was deathly afraid.
	I couldn't even get out of the bed.
	And, uh, because that being was there, and I realized that that dream I had was them, but they were like two thugs carrying me across the motel room.
	That's how it was masked.
	That's how it came forth.
	And that was an alien dream.
	Sounds like it.
	And it was wholly other, completely other than anything dreamt before by me.
	And then that triggered, that experience triggered The memory of the satanic ritual with children.
	That's when it all came flooding in?
	I had, it triggered me right then, and then I went to a healer for help, and then he scared me.
	And then I went to another person for help, and they wanted to lock me up.
	Because you see, in other words, what did that person that wanted to lock me up, who appeared as this woman therapist who wanted to, you know, a psychologist who said, well, we'll lock you up for three days in a In a seclusion, and then you'll get through it, and we'll help you.
	And so I was like, what are you talking about?
	The 72-hour hold, they call it.
	Well, and that was her suggestion, and I explained what was happening.
	Hold on for a moment.
	Not 72 hours, but just a very few less, and we'll be right back on Art Bell.
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	Ain't it ever? Ain't it?
	Seth Daniel is my guest.
	Good morning, everybody.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Definitely one of these where you make up your own mind.
	Crazy?
	Or, well, maybe not.
	Maybe not.
	And so far, these are just random calls.
	The answer is not.
	we'll be right back once again uh...
	Zeph, I received a plea on the computer here that the person is lost and they don't know about Dulcey and they didn't know what you were referring to.
	Explain Dulcey.
	Dulcey is a rumored, purported underground military alien base in Dulcey, New Mexico, which is Right near the Colorado border, and supposedly it's on the Archuleta Mesa, which is about two and a half miles from Dulcey's, really just a, you know, like a general store and a gas station is all it is.
	But underground.
	And it's underground, and we've been dealing with it in the spirit, put it that way, and there's more than one of us.
	It's a project that I've gotten involved in, and there's one A person that you might call a remote spiritual, several remote viewer, let's say, he goes there in the spirit, and that also happens with me.
	He's going there to liberate those souls from the bodies that are being tortured.
	That's why I asked you about government involvement and knowledge.
	I have, what I know is this, I know something from a man that is no longer with us named Phil Schneider, He gave testimony about Dulce and underground installations.
	So, and he's spoken of the UFO community, quote-unquote, and that's available on the internet, and I know just what other people have read.
	I have viewed it in the spirit.
	Right.
	And I also have myself interviewed.
	I know a person that does remote viewing who finds missing persons and is involved in murder cases and remote views it.
	Well, she is now focusing on Dulcey?
	On Dulcey for the first time, changing her method, in other words, on missing person, and this is the first time she's being led to do that.
	So maybe a lot of them are at Dulcey.
	There's three of us.
	Well, from what I heard yesterday from my Native American friend, we're looking at, he said, thousands of victims.
	And so that's the kind of thing that we do in terms of, I guess, We would go to a place like that in the Spirit and minister to them, because you can do that, and liberate those souls, because the Father will take those souls out of those vessels.
	This has been known to happen when there was Christian persecution in the olden times, how the martyrs would die with smiles on their faces, because their souls would be taken.
	They would be gone at the moment of extreme torture.
	They would be dislodged and taken home.
	And it was so uncanny that it blew the minds of all the torturers and executioners so much, though, that many of them converted and became Christians.
	All right, here we go now.
	There's a lot of people here.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Zeph Daniel.
	Hi.
	Hi, how are you?
	I'm all right.
	Where are you?
	I am in New Hampshire.
	All the way up in New Hampshire, okay.
	I'm kind of a new listener to your program, and I caught most of the conversation tonight, and I have background as a Wiccan priestess.
	And I have strange situations happen to me, and I ended up in a hospital, but a lot of the stuff that I believe the author is speaking about is very misleading, especially, possibly, to some of your listeners who may not have any, you know, knowledge of the subject.
	And I feel that he's kind of mincing words and kind of confusing people out there.
	What do you think he's misleading people about, specifically?
	Specifically, I could go into like a lot of things.
	Well, just give me one.
	Okay.
	From my experience, I believe that, like he's talking about the tunnel and the white light, that if you are a true Christian, then you are a follower of God.
	I believe that there's really only one true religion.
	That's my espoused belief right now at this time.
	And to say that is the case, and I do believe it's called the truth.
	And I believe this gentleman has been mixing, you know, has a satanic background.
	You are following Satan, and therefore, Satan works through people.
	As he says, he shows himself as the light, you know, all these wonderful things.
	How does he not know that he's still not doing Satan's work by promoting this book and putting false ideas out there.
	That's a fair question.
	Alright, let's... You know what I'm saying?
	I mean, I can... Yes, I do, so hold on.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Hold on.
	So... Well, I could... Take a deep breath, Zeph.
	We're doing the devil's work, Zeph.
	Of course I disagree with that.
	I follow Yahushua, which means Yah, or God, is salvation, and truth, life, and way.
	That's the way I follow.
	That's what got me out of trouble.
	Excuse me, I didn't mean to butt in.
	What was the name of your God that you are following again?
	Jesus.
	Jesus.
	There is someone that is above Jesus, that is His Father.
	Do you know that name of that God?
	Of course, Yahweh.
	That you're pronouncing incorrectly.
	No, I'm not, actually.
	It's Jehovah.
	Alright, come on.
	Tomato, tomato.
	No, no, no.
	There is a fine line.
	Jehovah is God's true name.
	Sounds like you're talking about the same thing.
	And I found Yahweh in my occult book.
	Yahweh is the way that you pronounce it if you are trying to do Musical, like, alliteration, the way that you think that you're saying the name properly, but you are not, and I know this to be true.
	He's tricking us, then, is that right?
	Yes, he is.
	All right, so there you are, you're tricking us.
	Well, could I say something about Yahweh and Yahushua?
	Yes, you may.
	Yes.
	Okay, Yahweh, from the Hebrew, YHWH is the transliteration Yahweh, and Yahushua, the real name of Jesus, means Yahweh is salvation.
	And I just follow that, and so the God I follow, I also call him God and Father.
	Okay.
	And if you have the Father, you have the Son.
	Sounded like you were talking about the same to me, and it was just a matter of commencement.
	I know.
	I pray, you know, that I have not offended you.
	All right.
	West of the Rockies, your chance to be offended by Zef Daniel.
	Hello.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Thank you for the program.
	I want to take my call.
	I'm listening.
	Santa Barbara, California, KTMS 990.
	Yes, sir.
	And, uh, yeah, I have a little personal interest in this, um, in this right here where during the tail end Vietnam War, I have about a six week block of erased memory.
	There's no memory whatsoever.
	During the which war was it?
	Vietnam.
	Vietnam.
	Yeah.
	And I was just going back to the nuts and bolts, Mr. Daniel, about the mind control and how they administered it.
	Was it drug, blight?
	Was it implantation?
	Was it just sexual abuse?
	All right.
	Fair question.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	The mind control.
	Administered in what way, then?
	Mind control, you know, beginning at when you're talking about satanic ritual abuse, you are talking about some pretty horrific things.
	You're talking about sexual molestation, torture.
	You're talking about human sacrifice and to have children participate in it.
	And I'm not going to go into too much about my personal involvement, just to say this.
	That I was removed from the situation at an early age because I fought back.
	But then they mind-controlled me in a different way, i.e.
	putting, you know, counselors and people around me to convince me that I didn't see what I had seen.
	And now what I want to ask the caller is this, you have... I'll ask the caller anything.
	She's gone.
	Oh, there was a long time of missing Of just a blank, which would signify some kind of trauma.
	Something, yeah, something.
	Something happened there.
	All right, while we have the chance, International Line, you're on the air with Zef Daniel.
	Hello.
	Hi, how you doing?
	Okay, sir.
	My name's James from Toronto.
	Okay.
	First, I'd like to wish you a happy Thanksgiving.
	Great.
	Because we're having our Thanksgiving out here in Toronto.
	Okay.
	Okay, so he's had some issues with satanic abuse.
	Does he think that he's been hypnotized in any way?
	Does he think that he's been replaying this idea of abuse in his mind like a movie, trying to correct it?
	But at the same time, he's still giving out the same information that's been programmed into him.
	Uh, there's a, there's a snaggler of a question.
	That's a good question.
	What about it, Ziff?
	Well, when I was in, you know, denial about all this stuff, uh, and I had memory, uh, no memory, because when you, it's three and four and five years old, you know, the memories are overcome, but there was a trauma there, and I think I had to keep filling in That it never happened.
	I kept having to do that, but I had some real psychological problems.
	Yeah, but the real thrust of the man's question was, are you sure you're still not playing it out and replaying what happened to you?
	I mean, that's a legit question.
	Yes.
	How free am I at this point?
	I would say this.
	I've gone through a lot of healing, but occasionally I'll have I'll have like post-traumatic stress, you know, issues?
	Yes.
	Where I will be suddenly, because there was self-destruct programming put in me, and that's what sometimes gets played and triggered, and it's terrible.
	It's a very terrible time, because you just feel like it's horrific, and it comes, and I have to wait it out until it passes.
	So yes, I'm still afflicted somewhat in that way, and I'm... I pray that, you know, to get through it and beyond it.
	All right.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Zeph Daniel.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Proceed.
	Um, I have... I totally resonate with what Zeph is saying.
	Uh, because?
	Because, um...
	About five years ago I also started having experiences and they started out with alien experiences where I felt like my consciousness was being taken from my body.
	And then I went in to where I think I cleansed my home and it was like I don't know if it's like the Native American Indians talk about you take your power back.
	And I got rid of that negative energy and the energy was, it made me feel like an animal terror.
	Did you feel like what?
	It made me, it was just like an animal terror.
	It was just like terror.
	Like there was something that totally didn't resonate with me.
	Like a primal terror.
	That's witchcraft.
	That's a form, someone may have put some bad, you know, something bad on you.
	You know, it sounds like someone threw some witchcraft on you, some negative.
	Well, you know, I don't know about all you've said tonight, Zeph, but I do know that I've talked to a witch, and, um, here on the air, and she has confirmed in graphic, horrific detail that this kind of ritualistic torture and ritualistic even killing of children Does go on more than the average American citizen would even dare dream about.
	There's a horrible, deep, dark secret, and you wonder with so many people involved in it, how do they keep it completely secret?
	It is, well, maybe because it is so horrible.
	People couldn't... The things that some... I mean, the real world has punishments for this, you know, like the death penalty.
	I've never seen any of these.
	Nor have I. Not one person have I ever seen.
	Well, maybe that's right, but those are the penalties that await for some of the deeds that are done.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Zev Daniels.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning, Jeff.
	Good morning.
	First of all, Art, welcome back to the WHAM airwaves in Rochester overnight here in New York.
	Oh, that's right!
	We got back to WHAM, didn't we?
	Thank God for that.
	They beat the trucker.
	But we won't talk about that.
	Jeff, I just have a quick question.
	What is your view on purgatory?
	And this is coming from a Catholic.
	After and after death, well, the closest thing I could tell you about a purgatory experience, it may parallel, is I was taken in the spirit to... I lived at the site of an Indian massacre in New Mexico at one time, and then I realized I was brought there.
	I was taken into the spirit by the Lord to minister to the traumatized Indians that were massacred, mainly women and children, in this particular thing that happened.
	And it was like a purgatory.
	It was a... I called it Sheol at the time.
	And I ministered to them.
	I think what I was led to say to them was that all of us would have strung up Jesus on a cross.
	None of us is righteous.
	Not one of us.
	And something to that effect.
	And they went on to another state of being.
	But where they were was in a... They were stuck in a state between two worlds.
	I know that's not like the Catholic purgatory where you're waiting there for judgment.
	It is a cleansing.
	We sort of view it as a cleansing.
	Earning our way into heaven.
	Okay.
	All I know is in this particular case, these Indians were holding on to anger and hate and resentment and trauma and shock and they were stuck and very unhappy.
	And so they were purged of this when they heard the good news that they could emancipate to, in their mind, would be the happy hunting grounds.
	And after I ministered to them, all but a couple of them left.
	The other two, there were two scouts that stayed behind on that property, and they kept tormenting.
	You could hear their footsteps at night, and they also could do things in our world.
	They would take, say there was a maintenance guy there, they'd take his tools or they'd hit somebody or something like that.
	There was poltergeist activity, in other words.
	Well, they were active on Earth, even though they were in something of a purgatory.
	But the women and children, the main bulk of them, they went on, because actually the Lord Jesus was ministering to them through using me in that, and they moved on.
	That probably doesn't answer the question.
	I don't know about purgatory, sir, because I'm not a... I was not raised Catholic.
	Oh, that's fine.
	It's alright to say, I don't know.
	These are the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Zeph Daniel.
	Hello?
	Yes, hi.
	Hi, turn your radio off, please.
	It is off.
	Okay.
	Now, yes, hi.
	I just wanted to ask you a question.
	I have a friend that has MPD, and she is a Christian, and she and I have been friends for about eight years.
	Because of the other personality, sometimes I'm dealing with one or dealing with the other.
	I had an experience one night where I spent the night with her, and coincidentally, I had also been looking coast-to-coast on the internet at Ghost and, you know, all of the pictures on there.
	But before I went to bed, I just posed the question of, you know, what am I dealing with with her?
	What is this?
	Alright, I'm sorry to cut you short, but it's going to have to be a pretty quick answer.
	We're about out of time, Zeph.
	What would you say to her?
	Healing.
	I pray in the name of Lord Yahushua that you heal this woman.
	I can almost hear that other caller yelling.
	He's tricking us!
	It's a healing issue.
	It's a healing issue.
	When someone has MPD, what they need is a healing.
	Pray for the healing of that soul to reintegrate, because that's what happens when people are traumatized.
	All right, look, buddy, we're out of time.
	Your book, Lamb, is available, you're saying, on Amazon.com and other commonly found places or bookstores or what?
	Right now it's Amazon.com and through the website ZephNet.com, but I think that links back.
	I also have another book, a satire about mind control in Hollywood called Glass Backwards.
	Well, if you can laugh about it, a satire, then... It's very funny, but it's pretty, you know, it's pretty intense.
	All right, well, listen, it's been interesting having you here tonight.
	I want to thank you.
	I thank you, Art.
	Good night, Seth.
	Good night.
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