Lynn McTaggart explores The Field—a zero-point energy web uniting all matter—claiming human intention alters reality, citing 89% of parapsychology studies as rigorously scientific. She references Buddhist monks raising temperatures, healers changing water molecules, and HAARP’s potential to disrupt psychic abilities via geomagnetic interference. McTaggart links biblical miracles to modern quantum science, arguing God may be an energy field humans co-create through focused intent, despite skepticism from mainstream researchers like James Randi. The October London conference will test remote viewing and precognition, suggesting reality is shaped by collective consciousness—though society’s technological detachment stifles broader acceptance. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's 25 or better time zones, all covered like a blanket by this program.
I'm Art Bell, and it's an honor and pleasure to be with you throughout the weekend.
Tonight should be most interesting.
Lynn Eggard is going to be with us in the next hour.
This hour will be open live.
After I have a couple of things to say to you, now to give you some idea of what last night was like here.
I've taken a photograph that a friend of mine Paul took.
Paul who lives in town and manages a company called Air Internet that supplies the internet that I use.
Anyway, he went out.
I called him and he went out and said, wow, he said, let me get out of camera and took a photograph.
And this was taken last night as I went on the air.
That's on my webcam right now.
Take a good look at those cloud formations and you'll have some idea of why I was a little hesitant to clamp on the headphones last night and dive in.
But like the mail, Coast Cozam has to go through.
I just thought you might like to see what it was that was going on as we went on the air last night.
So go to the webpage CoastCozam.com and click on Art's webcam, and there it will be.
That was last night, just as I went on the air.
And speaking of bad weather, Ivan.
Cayman Islands.
Hurricane Ivan battered the Cayman Islands with ferocious 150 mile-an-hour winds Sunday, flooding homes, ripping off roofs, as you might expect, toppling trees three stories tall as the eye passed just offshore.
Ivan now has killed at least 65 people across the Caribbean and was expected to strike western Cuba, where residents now have dubbed the storm Ivan the Terrible.
That was predictable.
On Monday, more than one million Cubans were evacuated from their homes.
By the way, the latest on Ivan just prior to airtime here was that it has regained apparent Cat5 status.
It's back up to 160 miles an hour.
And it may pass between the Mexican Peninsula and Cuba.
That would keep the eye over water, probably the worst case headed into the Gulf.
So this is one everybody had better keep a very, very close eye on.
The only whooshing sound that Hurricane Ivan stirred in the keys and the populace in South Florida on Sunday was a great big whoosh of relief from residents, no longer fearful that this giant storm would make a direct hit.
But even as Ivan veered west on, of course, it would take it away from that island chain and Florida's east coast.
Forecasters are warning that the state, already slammed by two powerful hurricanes in a month, was not out of the woods yet.
Certainly not.
And as it comes north, despite the computer models and what the forecasters say, it could do damn near anything as the last hurricane proved.
So it could suddenly swing one way or the other.
This is a bad, bad storm.
Bad things going on in Iraq, as usual.
Insurgents hammered central Baghdad on Sunday with one of their most intense mortar and rocket barrages ever right in the heart of the capital, heralding a day of violence that killed nearly 60 nationwide as security appeared to spiral out of control.
At least 37 were killed in Baghdad alone.
Many of them died when a U.S. helicopter fired on a disabled U.S. Bradley fighting vehicle as Iraqis swarmed around it, cheering, throwing stones, and waving the black and yellow sunburst banner of Iraq's most feared terror organization.
Such a welcome we have, huh?
As we free the Iraqi people.
Well, a huge mushroom cloud that reportedly billowed up from North Korea was not caused by a nuclear explosion.
South Korean and U.S. officials said Sonny Butt, they said the cause is a mystery.
Secretary of State Colin Powell confirmed that unusual activity had recently been detected at some of North Korea's atomic sites, but said there was no concrete evidence that the North's secret communist regime was preparing for its first nuclear test explosion.
And I received a lot of mail on this subject like this from Bill and Fort Lauderdale Art.
Don't you smell a BS story here?
An explosion big enough to be detected by a satellite?
A mysterious mushroom cloud two and a half miles in diameter?
And they don't think it's nuclear.
A big hole in the ground, but it's not nuclear.
They can't say what kind of event it was, though.
Something's funny here.
How can they say what it isn't if they can't say what it was?
Good point, Bill.
So I don't know.
You have to wonder if this explosion in North Korea does not fit what Major Ed Ames has said.
You know, I mean, it really does.
A giant mushroom cloud.
He said he envisioned that, and that's, of course, exactly what we had, nuclear or not.
It certainly could have been what he saw, couldn't it?
Are you ready for synthetic urine?
Yes.
A company is making synthetic urine.
Which sounds something more likely to get snickers and sales, but it's turning into a small success for a Kansas company.
Dynatech Industries, a company bought by Kevin Dykes and his wife Sandra five years Ago has developed synthetic urine for the research industry.
Now, how much call and for what reason would a person say, well, quick, let's get on the internet and order some synthetic urine?
Golly.
I suppose it might have application for drug testing, and I don't know.
Anyway, this off unknowncountry.com, WITS website, headline, animals acting strangely.
We've written recently about animals that are missing or turning up in the wrong places due to global warming in the pole shift.
A recent bug splat test in the UK found many fewer insects than expected.
And all over the world, scientists are finding hyperactive fish, stupid frogs, fearless mice, and seagulls that fall over, all they think due to pollution.
How can you tell if there are fewer insects around?
In BBCNews.com, Alex Kirby writes that the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds asked volunteers to use a splatometer.
Or would that be a splatometer?
A cardboard grid developed by the RSPB to see how many insects crashed into their license plates.
40,000 people volunteered for the big bug count, and a number of bugs, the number was much lower than expected, only about one insect for every five miles.
Fewer bugs means less food for birds, and bugs exposed to too much pesticide can cause birds to act very bizarrely indeed.
In one study, male starlings exposed to an insecticide decreased their singing by 50%, meaning they're unlikely to attract females or produce many young.
Newts exposed to low levels of the pesticide found it harder to sniff out mates.
If this type of pollution continues unchecked, some animal species may suddenly just disappear.
Pollution expert John McCartney says, it seems to me this body of evidence was pushed to the background while most environmental scientists and regulators focused on human mortality and cancer rates.
So there you have it.
It just goes on and on and on.
Here's another one, Yahoo News, scientists stumped by dead croakers.
Thousands of croakers have washed ashore at beaches along the Atlantic coast in recent days, the latest mass deaths of the popular sportfish.
Researchers have so far been unable to explain why only Atlantic croakers have been struck along the coast south to Florida.
Theories, that's what they are, include a virus of some kind, or perhaps cold water upwellings that shock weakened croakers as they swim along the coast.
A team of scientists from Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, and Florida is rapidly searching for answers.
The croakers are apparently suffocating, their gills left bleeding.
In some cases, they've been swimming near the water's surface.
Odd behavior for bottom feeders.
A favored prize among anglers and watermen.
The Atlanta croaker is known for its tough fight on a rod and reel and its pink belly that often bellows a croaking noise when pulled into a boat or under some kind of stress.
So they've got uncountable numbers of dead croakers.
And I'm still following this SETI story.
It's a really weird story.
In other words, SETI has detected a signal from a thousand light years away.
But in the story of the detection, they seem to go way out of their way to suggest it could be a fraud, it's fishy, it's puzzling, but it might be aliens.
So I don't know.
I'm just going to follow this as closely as I can.
And I want to repeat a story that I gave you last night, and then we'll fly to the phones here.
Man plans to drop absorbent material into storm.
A South Florida businessman says he's going to try to reduce the strength of Hurricane Ivan.
That's what's interesting about this.
He's going to take a Boeing 747 right to the very edge of the hurricane and begin dumping thousands of pounds of an absorbent material into it.
Peter Cordani of Jupiter, Florida, plans to try and knock the storm down by one or two categories by dropping tons of powder that absorbs anywhere between 3,000 and 4,000 times its own weight.
Cordani is chief operating officer of Dynamat, a company that sells environmental absorbent products like mats for mechanics.
He believes his product, SK1000, he calls it, would cause a shearing action and a 15-degree cooling of that storm.
Cordani has been working on his plan for five years now.
He's assembled a team of experts, including two former astronauts, Moonwalker Edgar Mitchell and another who tested the lunar module.
Cordani is in contract talks to lease a 747 tanker from Evergreen Aviation in McMinnville, Oregon.
So he's going to fill it up with this stuff he has, this SK-1000, and dump it into the storm.
I wish him luck, and I wish luck to anybody in the path of Ivan the Terrible, as it is appropriately now dubbed.
So, in other words, then your uncle had no idea how the man got the stones from where they were onto the truck.
unidentified
I heard him talking to my parents about it, you know, when I was a teenager and stuff like that, but he had no idea because he wouldn't do anything, you know, while he was there.
And until we can understand how that man moved those stones or how the Egyptians built the pyramids.
Or perhaps I should rephrase that.
When we can understand how those feats were accomplished, we may have a new energy source on our hands.
Anybody out there have any idea how he could have done that?
Not that I've heard.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Yes.
I'm calling because maybe something you might want to consider for discussion is that Los Alamos National Laboratory, their contract is being recompeted in the next year.
And it just is kind of funny that the facilities where they do criticality experiments at Los Alamos are called Kivas.
And Kivas in the Indian culture are some of the most sacred places for worship, highly spiritual places.
And I thought that was always extraordinary that the plutonium facilities and the criticality laboratories were considered to be these high spiritual places.
I thought that was kind of unusual that that kind of acquisition of Indian spiritualism was acquired by the physicists at Los Alamos.
What I hear is when they run the commercials, they're saying, you know, I'm a hypocrite.
Fine.
I smoke pot, but I'm going to advise my child not to.
What's wrong with that?
unidentified
Well, see, now, some of the older ads that happened right after 9-11 were, you know, oh, when I was buying a bag of marijuana, I didn't know I was killing a judge today.
Well, I think I just pretty well exactly described what it is that we've got, and I'm in favor of that.
I appreciate your call, but I don't, you know, I guess in a way it's propaganda, huh?
But it's probably good propaganda.
I mean, think about it.
A lot of people, a lot of you have lived through the 60s, 70s, 80s, quite smoked pot, but, well, it's probably a good idea to remain a hypocrite if that's what it requires, and advise your children not to do that.
This song so well describes what we've got coming up the pike toward us.
And we are all riders on this storm.
Riders on the storm.
Riders on the storm.
unidentified
In Canada.
Forget about everything.
He's got this dream of five hundred lands.
He's gonna give up the booze and one night's death.
And then settle down in a quiet little town and forget about everything.
You know he's gonna keep holding.
You know he's never gonna stop moving Cause he's rolling, he's the rolling stone When you wake up it's a new morning The sun is
shining, it's a new morning You're going, you're going home We'll be right back.
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Yes, the other night, George had a guest on talking about the giant triangles that are being seen over the populated areas, like over the freeways, over the cities.
Do you remember back in, I think it was like 98, you took a call from a guy who was claiming to be from Area 51, and he was running.
It sounded like he was out of breath, and he was warning us about these black triangles we're going to be seeing.
Well, they certainly don't need triangles to do that.
And if they were secret government craft, you would think the last place they would fly them would be directly over the interstates of our country, wouldn't you?
I mean, secret and flying over the major interstates of the country, it just doesn't make sense.
You might fly over the deserted areas of Nevada and some of the western states, but you certainly wouldn't fly over the major interstates, or would you?
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi.
Yeah, I'm calling from Kentucky, and I wanted to ask Art about his personal beliefs as regards extraterrestrial life.
And also asked him about an image on his website that I saw today.
No, I have not seen the images you're talking about yet.
But I don't know.
Photographs in this modern day and age are too easily photoshopped up.
So I don't know.
As far as my personal belief, that's a very interesting question.
Do I believe yes, I think I do believe that there is life elsewhere.
Do I believe life elsewhere has come here?
That's a very different question.
But let's step backward.
Yes, I believe, how can you not?
If you go out and observe silently and quietly and spend a little quiet time just looking up at the nighttime sky here in the desert, we have a very good one, with the Milky Way from one side of the sky, literally all the way over to the other side of the sky, and you realize all you're seeing are suns, stars, and that we now know there are planets revolving around most, if not all, of the stars out there, perhaps not all, but most.
That would be an uncountable number of planets.
And some of them surely would spawn life.
Life perhaps like ours or not like ours, but life, and eventually intelligent life.
I mean, the odds are absolutely with it.
That's what motivates and continues to motivate the people at SETI, is the fact that when you sit out there and look, it almost has to be.
They almost have to be out there.
So my personal belief is certainly in that direction.
Yeah, you know, I've seen a number of signs in Florida that have the names of the last two hurricanes there, and then Ivan, and that crossed out in goodbye below that.
So I guess people are getting sort of fed up with the whole thing.
unidentified
I'll tell you, I am.
I was out in your neighborhood a couple years ago, and I enjoyed it.
Take a look at the photograph I've got up on my webcam right now.
And that was last night as I went on the air.
And, you know, with all the towers I've got around here and all the electronics to slam on a pair of headphones when the kind of thing is going on and the kind of cloud formations that you can see in this picture taken last night by Paul are there.
I mean, it just enters your mind that it might be the last broadcast you ever do.
And some of the things that you guys discussed, my grandmother has told me about the seven dimensions and she has entered into one of them and in one of the seven dimensions they she tells about the other beings, which you talk about, the alien.
And she says you can coexist.
This is what she told me when she was alive.
She's been passed on now for ten years.
And in her belief, the ethmos, you coexist with these people.
And if you don't bother them, they ain't going to bother you.
And it may well be that those that we think of as aliens from some other planet or system or something are actually from right here and from another dimension.
So that could well be correct.
And her ancient wisdom could be right on the mark.
An awful lot of what's new is really old, you know.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hey, Art.
I was watching pro football today, and I think you're right about the computers taking over.
You look at the instant replay delays, the human judgments.
I mean, if there's a questionable call, they can collect, I don't know, 20,000, 30,000 votes from the audience about which way it's going to go between the time that they decide it's questionable and the time the referee comes out from under the little thing ready to make his judgment.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
I'm still pulling for our own human wetware.
You know, our 90% plus water bods more important than the hardware connection, aren't you?
We'll be back with Lynn McTaggart in just a moment.
From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
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You brighten up my day.
Come sit beside me in your way.
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I never stop myself to wonder why You have to forget to play my role You take the step, you take myself ungrateful I, I live among the creatures of the night I haven't got the will to try and fight Against a new tomorrow So I guess I'll just believe it Tomorrow will never come
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Lynn McTaggart's book is called The Field, which might equal The Force.
I don't know.
It's kind of like The Force, isn't it?
The Field.
The Quest for the Secret Force of the Universe.
Lynn McTaggart began work on the field four years ago as a personal quest.
Her research took her to many areas around the globe, meeting with top frontier scientists in Russia, Germany, France, England, South America, Central America, and the USA.
During these meetings, she saw what these scientists were working on, and it seemed to overthrow the current laws of biology, chemistry, and physics.
Their theories and experiments also compounded into a new science, a new view of the world.
For several years, she immersed herself in quantum physics and poured through hundreds of scientific papers to decoding what was often impenetrable work.
In many cases, she had to pester the scientists to explain aspects of physics in order to check facts and interpretations.
Lynn concludes that her work paints a picture of an interconnected universe and a new scientific theory which makes sense of supernatural phenomena.
Well, it comes from the zero-point field, which was what I concluded was the thing that was tying everything together.
I mean, from the material I looked at with many of these physicists, they found that this ground state of energy, which is the explosive energy in the space between things, this thing called the zero-point field, is the energy field that unites us like an invisible web.
But a few frontier people have been realizing the importance of this, including places like NASA and British Aerospace, who have realized that this energy is so explosive.
I mean, there's so much of it.
Even Stephen Hawking has found that this sort of thing exists in black holes that they've been trying to extract this energy from the zero-point field for space travel.
Because they figured, as they call it, it's a cosmic-free lunch.
If you can get energy out of empty space, you can power things to the next galaxy.
There are some scientists who have claimed that they've been able to extract energy, and there are a few studies showing that we can get a little bit of energy out of it now.
In other words, a human intention, it would seem, as I talk to all these remote viewers and all these people who deal in things that appear to be non-local, it would appear that they're dealing with this field or this force, if you will, or in the area of this field and force.
There are two really important things about quantum physics.
I'm not going to bore your listeners with a lot of quantum physics, but there's two things that are important to understand.
I always think of reality like unset jello.
It's just this kind of blob of all possible things.
Because in the subatomic world, when you get right down to subatomic matter, an electron is all possible things all at once.
It's not any determinate anything.
It's like indeterminate energy that exists in all possible states in all time.
Unset jelly, as they say.
There's another important thing, which is that called action at a distance or non-locality.
And that means that if two subatomic particles, two electrons, say, have been in contact, that you could move one to California and one to New York, and they would always know about each other and influence each other over any time or space.
And it's like twins separated at birth that marry the same woman with the same name.
And if you kick one down the stairs, the other one breaks his leg too, even if one is in California and one is in New York.
They always know about each other.
So what these two things suggest is that the world is not set.
It's unset Jell-O.
and that things can affect other things at any kind of distance.
So we know that sort of this randomness is just a basic feature of matter, but the one thing that makes this jello set is our observation, our intentions.
It seems like we're some sort of ordering systems that set things in a certain frequency.
And the medium for this seems to be the zero-point field.
Because this unimaginable energy that I've talked about, that's doing an energy dance all the time, that's interacting with all of our subatomic particles, and our particles are doing a little dance of an exchange of energy back and forth with this zero-point field.
Any shift in the zero-point field can cause massive changes in ground state energy from particles to atoms, from molecules to matter.
And so our ordering seems to cause this sort of shift in matter.
I mean, the way physicists talk about it, they call it the observer effect.
They've seen in their experiments that you can't actually figure out everything about an electron, you know, where it's going and what speed it's going at, all at the same time.
But the one thing that stops any experiment to give them some sort of result is observation, or when humans take some sort of measurement.
So it seems like we almost stop action.
If you think of it as a film that's ongoing, we stop action and things happen at that particular moment.
So it seems that we, our act of noticing or our intentions about things, create reality at that moment of attention.
And then our intention seems to, it's not only that we get the Jell O to set, but we can influence it.
Well, they've not only monitored that, but they've monitored what happens in things like meditation.
And, you know, that their brains are actually changing.
They're making big changes in their brains with constant meditation.
Now, we also know this with studies that people have done of healers.
They've actually seen that healers, when they heal, when they're touching salt water, they're making shifts in the oxygen-hydrogen bonds of that water.
Almost like little magnets, they're decreasing the bonding.
And they've seen that also with Russian research on mind-over-matter, psychokinesis, you know, spoon bending.
They found that, again, people who are very good at these mind-over-matter kind of experiments are having influences on the hydrogen-oxygen bonds and water molecules.
So our intentions are actually in changing the molecular structures of things outside of ourselves.
No, I think that Europe and, I mean, there are parapsychological societies now.
There are places at universities like the University of Edinburgh and many places, and of course Princeton, many places around the West where this is being taken seriously and they're studying it.
They're studying the effects of energies, earth energies, solar energies on human psyche.
They're looking at all kinds of parapsychological ability and studying it seriously, University of Freiburg and other places.
I think the Russians still lead us in looking at the effects of other kinds of energies like solar energies, on geomagnetic fields, on our ability to tap into the field.
Why do you think the Russians are so and have been so far ahead in looking at these areas that we've either been afraid to look at or I'm not sure why we've been so reluctant compared to, say, the Russians.
And I've been curious about that for some time, and I definitely want to talk to you about Princeton as well.
But in fact, let's do that.
The Princeton work captured, fully captured my attention with the eggs they've got out there.
If one mind has an effect, then there appears to be the situation that lots of minds thinking the same thought at the same time have a powerful effect.
And that's what Roger Nelson and his Global Consciousness Project have been looking at.
They've been just running these random event generators all around, in places all around the world, and just monitoring whether or not there's any shift in this random activity when something big happens, like Princess Diana dies or, of course, the Twin Tower disasters.
They monitored and found that there was a big shift right before the first plane hit the first tower.
I wonder if governments, particularly our government here in America, has begun to take an interest yet.
You would certainly think in this day and age of terrorist awareness and all that, that we would begin to take an interest in something like that once it's crossed some certain threshold of proof.
After the whole Stargate program on the psychic spying, I don't believe it at all.
And after talking to people like Edgar Mitchell and some of the views of his views and his discussions with high-level people years ago about a men-in-black type organization that was in America looking at UFOs and claiming privately to have evidence of extraterrestrial life.
No, I don't believe it at all.
I think these projects go on all the time and are just black programs.
Somebody called me in the last hour before you got on and said, hey, Art, what are your personal beliefs about extraterrestrial life?
And I thought real hard about it, and I said, well, go out on a nice starry night and look at all those stars, and you know there are planets around all of them.
Well, I mean, interestingly enough, just over the weekend, there was some information that some government has just picked up some signal that they cannot attribute to anything that's out there, any space station, any information as we know it, any kind of life signal as we know it.
So that may be the very beginnings of an official demonstration that there is extraterrestrial life.
Well, I think it would verify a lot of people's beliefs in one sense, and then I think in another sense, there'd be a lot of people who would be fearful based on a lot of the stuff that's come out of Hollywood, that these people are going to come and eat us or destroy us.
I think that there would be a mixture of excitement, awe, and fear.
And of course, there would be the official poo-pooing of most of this, and because the governments have believed that we can't handle information like this.
I mean, it's just, as I say, like the Stargate psychic spying program.
I mean, that took, we still haven't got all of the information about that.
Only a tiny bit of it has been declassified.
And here was extremely good, solid evidence that remote viewing works, that we can actually spy on the Russians as they did in the 70s and spy on other countries through remotely, just through thought.
And that was hidden, and despite the fact that everybody knows it about it now, they still hide the data about it.
They still haven't declassified all the information.
And when we come back, I'm going to ask you what I've asked so many others.
If remote viewing works, and obviously you believe it does, then why would the government have terminated the program with prejudice just about, right?
And is it going on now?
Very good question.
And any government who could really spy on their enemy, or our enemies, we have many around the world right now, and do it accurately, would they give that up and say, oh, it's nothing?
don't think so.
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Now, the midst across the window hides the light.
But nothing's high as the color of the lights that shine.
The electricity.
The electricity.
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This is going to be fascinating stuff all night long.
stay right where you are I think through the years, I've probably talked to every remote viewer that was in the secret government program, just about every one of them, I believe.
And Lynn, they all say roughly the same thing.
When you talk to them about why the program was discontinued, they say on the one hand, well, it was very successful with very high percentages of hits.
And then when you ask them why it was discontinued, they say, well, they were scared of it or it was an embarrassment to them or something like that.
And I've never been able to buy that.
You know, if it really did work, especially in this current day and age of people trying to sneak in bombs and what have you, perfect targets for remote viewers, how could they possibly have discontinued the program?
Well, I think they talked themselves out of it working.
I think that they put together a couple of skeptics who reviewed the data and said, actually, it's meaningless.
And it could well have been, I think that this was probably the public face of it, that they used this to sort of poo-poo it to the public.
I don't think that that was necessarily the private view because after the 9-11 tragedy, I know some very good remote viewers who told me they were contacted by the government to determine whether or not the sea wall right near the Twin Towers had been destroyed because they were worried about flooding as well as everything else.
So, you know, just on that point, and a couple of other ones were asked to try to determine where bin Laden was, et cetera, et cetera.
So I think that there still is a private understanding that this works.
They just don't like most things.
They don't want to make it public because I think they're frightened about what the public will do with it.
Or could they have discontinued the one program publicly and sort of had it reborn as a black ops type thing that we're just simply not hearing about any more than we heard about the first program when it was underway?
I mean, we have evidence for that in the Stargate program and evidence since that this is the kind of thing they do.
If they have something very sensitive and they're concerned about all of us out here being able to use that same ability, then they keep it quiet.
And of course, people like Skip Atwater and Joe McMonagall, who were part of that program, very much indicate that anybody can do remote viewing and indeed teach it.
I mean, and that is, you know, we have an upcoming conference in London, and that's going to be one of the workshops, is showing people how to do remote viewing.
What exactly do remote viewers do, or how do they do it, would be, I guess, a better question.
Is it a search through this?
I've heard it referred to as kind of like Googling whatever is out there.
I don't know, kind of like when you go to Google and you put in a search term, you might get a lot of answers to it, and you've got to find the one that makes sense.
I don't know.
How are they doing this?
They're going through this zero-point field or this non-locality, or what are they doing?
Well, you've got to think of your mind like a radio receiver, not like the source of the information, but just the person that's picking it up.
I mean, a lot of people like Carl Prebram and people after him who are looking at what consciousness is, what the mind is, are convinced that the mind is not the brain, and that our minds, our brains are picking up Frequencies.
We're just, as I say, like a radio picking up signals from a radio station.
We're picking up frequencies of information and decoding it.
And that information largely exists in this zero point field, which is like a memory of everything that ever was.
I mean, all frequencies, all the quantum frequencies exist forever and can hold unimaginable amounts of information.
And so we are just picking that up.
Now, remote viewers, ordinarily we have a very narrow bandwidth.
We're just picking up radio one.
But if you learn to work as a remote viewer, you end up being able to pick up radio two as well.
And as I say, we talked about non-locality before and the idea that things can be separated, but you can still get information about it.
Electrons can get information about each other despite any distance, time or distance.
And I think that's what's happening with remote viewers, too.
They are non-locally picking up frequencies in the zero-point field.
And they're just training themselves to widen that bandwidth.
Or any other area that's sort of over the edge of, for example, human intent and influence on something physical or even non-physical, another human being.
Anything that shows us that working through that field actually does happen.
Okay, well, I have a really interesting thing to answer that with, Art.
I was just chatting with Rupert Sheldon, scientist Rupert Sheldrick over the weekend, and he was telling me about a really interesting thing he had done recently because he was tired of skeptics saying there's no evidence for psychic ability.
And he looked at, he has studied the medical literature, scientific literature, to see how many studies are truly scientific, which means they're blinded, they're double blind, so that the experimenter and the people being experimented on don't know who is having the experiment and who isn't.
And he found that with medicine, with ordinary science, it was about 1%, a couple of percent.
He found with psychic studies, all the studies of parapsychology, it was 89%.
That parapsychology overall had overwhelmingly the most scientific studies of all.
And so the answer to you is enormous evidence.
I mean, there's certain big holes we have.
We need to do many more experiments to find out how powerful intention is, what we can use it for exactly.
But we know a lot of things.
We know lots of things about what intention does.
I mean, we know, for instance, that our intention, we have plenty of evidence that our intention, that there is such a thing as micro-mind over matter.
Our intention can influence random machines.
There's plenty of Princeton work on that.
We know our intention can influence living systems, human and otherwise.
We've plenty of studies showing that people can, through thought alone, can control the direction of fish.
There have been studies showing we can make gerbils run faster on activity wheels.
There have been studies where they've shown that they've been able to influence blood cells in the lab.
But then we know there's lots of studies on humans, healing, that calm people can calm down nervous people.
And yet all of this still seems very much on the edge of what might be when we really figure this out.
You know, we're sort of working in the margins, at the very edge, influencing the most influenceable.
The machines you talked about, the computers that are spitting out random numbers, and just a slight bit of something or another manages to make it non-random.
Just sort of on the very edge of things, but somewhere behind all of this, there's a very great deal of power.
Oh, I think this is, again, when you study people who have been able to really control this, like sensitives of all sorts, as they call them, you know, shaman or look at Buddhist monks who have really developed a discipline of mind to widen their ability, the ability that we all have but we're not told and we don't think we have through the paradigm that we're given of how we work and how the universe works.
When we understand there's a different way that we actually work and there's a different paradigm out there, then through developing these things, we have many more powers.
Well, we know it's possible to influence, remotely influence another body through all those healing experiments that we've talked about.
I mean, the great studies of the late Elizabeth Targ, who got healers all across America to heal terminal AIDS victims.
And she found that it didn't matter whether they were Christian healers or they were Native American shaman.
If they had a good intention to heal, it worked.
And so there's, you know, if you can influence a body, you probably can influence a mind too.
And it is frightening because, again, we don't know what is the limits of the power of intention.
Larry Dossi did his wonderful book, Be Careful What You Pray For.
He studied negative prayer.
He was really interested in all of that.
Does the voodoo effect really work?
And he found there was a lot of evidence for that.
But there's also some preliminary evidence saying that you can block, you can almost put a psychic shield around yourself and block negative influence.
But once again, it's something that we all have to learn.
It just is just the same as saying, well, we could be hurt, somebody could come over and stab us.
That possibility exists, but we take certain precautions.
So we just need to learn how to take psychic precautions now.
But again, this is an area we really have to look into.
This is what needs to be, I mean, this is one of the things that we're working on at the moment.
We're working on some intention experiments.
I'm setting up some experiments with some scientists, some noted scientists, to just take this, to push this boat out a bit more to find out, well, what are the limits here?
How fast can it work?
Can we help?
Can we just send out intentions to heal people Faster.
But we are working mostly on positive intention.
But of course, one of the experiments we want to do is to look at a positive versus a negative intention and see if one has the bigger effect.
She was using some people who were Christians, and she was using some people who used a grandmother Native American figure called Star Woman.
And both worked just as well.
And I asked her, what was the common factor that made it work?
And she said, well, all the healers said the most important thing was just to get out of the way, get your own ego out of the way, and just sort of ask, please may this person be healed.
Ask a higher power.
So I think that the higher power is, whatever you want to call it, the absolute, is the only important thing to get in touch with in some way, in your own way.
And that can be many ways.
I mean, a lot of people is just getting into some sort of alpha state, slowing your mind down to a slow meditative state.
Well, I think that, you know, it's important for everyone to understand that we all have different gods.
We all have a different view of God.
And, you know, I defy anybody out there, any religious group, to define what God is.
And I think that the only important thing to really say here is to acknowledge an absolute, not necessarily to say it is the man with the white beard, but that there is a God out there.
And that, I mean, for instance, a lot of people have asked me about the field.
Does the field, you know, challenge God?
And I say, no, the field proves God.
The field proves there is a God out there.
And there is an absolute, you know, there is a force beyond us that we are all one with.
And the big problem always, with everything, whether it's 9-11 or this kind of challenging that this person has said, it's about the biggest problem is about thinking you are separate.
And that's where all of our problems in the world stem from, is the notion that we are all separate beings on this lonely little planet in a lonely little universe.
That's the view biology gives us.
And then we build our religions on.
But actually, if we understand the true nature of what scientists are saying now, what I'm trying to say in the field, it's that we are all one.
Yeah, but I think there's an understanding that there is, whether you want to just call it energy field, that there is a higher energy field that we are part of.
And that, to many people, is an absolute energy.
It's an absolute force.
That's why I say I like Larry Dossi's word, the absolute, because it is about a God.
Now, it's just words sometimes, but you could call the Holy Ghost, or you could call being in a state of grace, being in the field.
And it's just a different way.
As I say, I think what I'm trying to do is span to provide a science of spirituality and to say that there is validation for people's beliefs because science is now catching up with it and proving that these sorts of things exist.
Well, as I say, I'm working on some intention experiments and just trying to push the boat out to see, to try to quantify what we can do with this.
And then there's a lot of study now looking at trying to work out how do you, this incredible energy field with, you know, I always say that, you know, if you were sitting a few yards away from me, there'd be enough energy between the two of us to boil all the oceans of the world.
I mean, it's that kind of energy density.
And there's a lot of scientists around the world working on trying to get energy out of the zero-point field.
And there are scientists all over the world trying to work out a bit more about what happens during states of meditation.
How is it changing your brain?
And what are we doing?
And other studies showing that when people do healing or send out an intention, that it not only changes the fabric of what they're healing, as I say, changing the oxygen-hydrogen bonds, but they can measure energy coming out of people, that voltages coming out of healers just zooms up enormously.
And they're trying to figure out where and how this energy is coming out.
I have a feeling that we're talking about the driving force of the universe.
That's really what we're trying to talk about, but since we don't understand it yet fully, we can talk just about what, you know, what we know so far, and it's so little in a field so big.
Nevertheless, one of the experts in it, Lynn McTaggart, back in a moment.
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Lynn?
Lynn McTaggart, I'm sorry.
Lynn, we were talking about actual measurements that are being taken, people in states of meditation, that sort of thing.
So I assume that we can measure activity in the brain as these things are going on, but have we yet measured any actual external influence at all?
In other words, we don't have the slightest idea if there is radiation external to the brain on what frequency or where it's occurring.
There have been some really interesting studies both by a fellow called William Tiller and also the biofeedback expert, the guy who came up with that called Elmer Green.
Elmer Green did a study of healers in what he's called the copper wall experiments because he put them all in this big room that had all copper walls, which would shield out any other electromagnetic energy.
And he then had them send out healing intentions while they were all hooked up to sort of machines that measured the voltage coming from their bodies.
And he found out when they sent out a healing intent, their voltage, their electricity sent out, went up 100,000 times.
So we had an actual measurement like that just blasting out of them.
And he also found out where it was coming from.
It was coming mainly from their abdomen.
So in Eastern thought, you know, they talk about that being the seat of emotions and the really important, one of the really important chakras.
And that's where it was all coming from.
The same thing with...
No, no, because it wouldn't be able to go through the copper room.
Remember, they were trying to filter out electromagnetic rays.
So they were measuring it inside.
And I don't think that the nature of the experiment was to see whether or not it would go through the copper walls.
I think the walls were there to prevent other electromagnetic radiation coming in.
So the key thing was really just trying to find out, you know, is intention an energy?
And they found out, yes, indeed, it is.
And the same thing with William Tiller.
He measured gas discharges of people sending out intention.
And he found that electrons being emitted from people also zoomed up by thousands, tens of thousands of times with the act of human intention.
So these are two very interesting studies showing that intention is an actual physical energy that gets sent out.
It says, negative intentions definitely work, but they create a caustic backlash, karmic thunder that may last a lifetime.
I, for one, would never participate in that kind of experiment.
So she's saying that, yes, negative intentions work, but those who practice the craft, which craft, are quick to tell you that negative intentions do work and can be used, but they have consequences.
Well, I think, you know, this is one of the interesting things that we really need to do.
There are a lot of traditional cultures who understand all of this much more than we do.
They understand it intuitively rather than scientifically.
But they've used these kinds of practices for years.
And I think it's really important for us to study traditional cultures to see what they're doing.
They all understood about the effect and the power of the life force.
They all believed in a life force.
They all believed in the power of intention.
And many of them use, you know, their shaman, their medicinemen, all those kinds of people, go into trance type states or, you know, alpha states, whether they use drumming or other means, and they use intention to heal.
And they've also understood about the power of negative intention.
But generally speaking, through all of these cultures, the idea, and again, I'm just looking at the science of things, but the idea is that positive prayer is more powerful than negative prayer.
And positive thinking is more coherent.
We've talked a bit about quantum physics, and an important point is coherent frequencies, that is, frequencies that are more ordered and communicate better.
It seems to be that positive intent has, or positive thought has a more coherent frequency.
Just looking at sort of the work of Asara Umoto, the messages of water, where he's measured, he's looked at the effect of thought on water crystals and found that positive, loving thoughts create more coherent water crystals.
So there would be that kind of evidence to support it.
Well, I think there was some sort of shudder in the, you know, it's like when Yoda says, I feel a disturbance in the forest.
Yes.
I like to think of it like that because I think that it was a collective shudder at what was about to happen, that we all had a precognition, we had a forecast of what was going to go on.
And we felt it as a collective mind.
And certainly there were plenty of people.
Again, Rupert Sheldrake did studies of, he asked for a lot of information of whether anyone had dreams about it beforehand.
And many, many, many people rode in with incredibly specific dreams where they had forecasted the 9-11 tragedies.
But their work has been so successful so far that you would think more would be rushing in.
One of the questions that I was going to ask you has to do with oh, I don't know, I do an awful lot of shows here on things like ghosts and the possibility that the human spirit or the human mind or whatever it is that we are lasts past physical death.
Is there evidence that our thoughts have an independent energy that does, in fact, last past our physical death?
Well, I think that the really interesting work in that field was done by the University of Arizona, and they did work with mediums.
This Gary Schwartz's work, where he did double blind studies and very controlled studies of mediums and whether they were picking up information beyond the grave.
And there certainly was evidence of that, that they, and there was evidence that no science could explain in any other way than they were picking up information from, that energy, some energy information about those people still existed.
Whether they exist in a corporeal being or whether or not it's just their energy fields, they're still back in the field, there was certainly evidence for that.
And the other interesting studies, of course, are the latest ones on near-death experiences.
I mean, there has been plenty of anecdotal evidence.
But people in Holland have done some studies on near-death experience where people were absolutely, their brains were dead.
I mean, it was like a computer being plugged out of the, you know, the plug being taken out of the wall.
And yet, they had all very similar experiences, the light, the tunnel, the whole thing, meeting with the relatives, et cetera, and were able to describe things going on.
I mean, one of the most interesting ones was a guy who was an accident victim.
He comes rushing into the emergency department in this Dutch hospital, and he was wearing dentures.
And, of course, he was a mess.
And so the nurse there took his dentures out and put them in what they call a crash cart.
And several days later, when he woke up and got back from his near-death experience, he was talking to the doctor, and that same nurse came in and he said, ask her where my, she knows where my dentures are.
They're in that cart.
Now, the guy was clinically dead when these teeth were taken out of his mouth.
And he saw the whole image from outside of his body of these teeth being taken out and put in this particular crash cart.
Now, I've done some interviews, Lynn, that absolutely are astounding.
I'm going to be doing one next week with a near-death experiencer who was blind from birth.
It's going to rock people right back on their socks.
And the other thing that's grabbed me that I don't understand, I haven't been able to disprove, and I've really tried, I have these people I interview with regard to electronic voice phenomena.
And these are voices imprinted on electronic media, whether it be tape or otherwise, that simply have no explanation on the face of the earth other than they're coming from what we call the other side or people who have passed on or whatever.
You know, we do it again and again and again.
I guess all the way back to Thomas Edison was even experimenting with some of this and thought that he could hear the other side.
Some of these voices are quite clear, and they're coherent with respect to ongoing reality.
It's really freaky stuff, but it does seem, there seems to be something to it.
Well, again, I mean, when you look at the evidence for things like near-death experiences or the medium stuff, you've got to open your mind to any possibility and not just clamp it shut with your, you know, the same old thoughts or the same old paradigm.
It's even, you know, scientists are discovering that, you know, we talked about non-locality, that occurs in time as well as space.
And these are traditional scientists.
We're talking about stuff that's been published in conservative publications like New Scientist.
And they're showing that when you have an experiment and you measure it one minute, you have one thing.
And then you measure it the second minute, and you affect not only that electron, but the one you were measuring before.
And what that all means, the implications of that are staggering.
It means that these connections we've talked about that can occur over vast distances despite any contact can occur in time as well.
And there have been plenty of studies showing that remote viewing, remote influence can occur backwards, so to speak, as well as forward.
And so we just have to suspend all of our notions about the way the world works because the science is showing it works very, very differently.
Well, that was the fascinating thing about one of the studies that was done with the Stargate guys out in California, the SRI people, they worked with a guy, I'm sure you've talked about this before on your show called Pat Price.
He was one of the great remote viewers of all time.
And one time he was working with Russell Targ, physicist Russell Targ.
And he described, they asked him to describe a place where one of the experimenters was.
And he described and drew a swimming pool.
But he had two towers there.
And there were sort of two tanks.
And everything was right.
The swimming pool was right, but the tanks were wrong.
And they thought, just, well, this must have been a time when Pat Price got it wrong.
And years later, after Pat had died, Russell got information about that town.
It was Palo Alto.
It was from the Chamber of Commerce, and it had pictures of the town and what it was like 50 years ago.
And they had a picture of the swimming pool.
And actually, at the time, it was a municipal water supply, and there were tanks there.
And they were just where Pat had drawn them.
So when Pat saw the scene, he didn't see it in the 1970s or whenever the date was.
We talked about the influence on these remote, I mean, these random event generators, and there have been some really interesting studies of that, as well as remote viewing, where people have been able to influence.
They've used taped versions of these machines, which are random throws of the dice, throws of a coin, like heads or tails.
And ordinarily, let's say they have a taped message, it would be or a taped output.
It would be 50% left clicks in your ear and 50% right clicks.
And they've had experiments where they've asked people to think about making more left clicks than right clicks.
And if they send out that intention and it's playing at the time, they get the right results a significant amount of the time.
Well, some of these studies have tried to do it where they've played the tape of this left and right-clicked random thing on Monday and then had the experimenters play the tape to themselves on Thursday.
They've kept a master of that original tape.
And if it were truly random, it would be 50% left, 50% right-clicks.
When they've had the person think about it and think about changing it, even though the tape was already made, and say they wanted more left-clicks than right-clicks, they would find a significant amount of times that they actually had affected that original playing of it.
So this sounds very confusing, but what happened Was the intention actually reached back down the timeline to affect the generation of that tape in the first place?
All right, there have been a lot of experiments that I know you're aware of with plants, remarkable experiments with plants and with animals.
And we talked a little bit about this last week, you know, with the animals knowing that their owners are coming home, that kind of thing.
As we learn more and more and more about animals and plants, doesn't it almost, isn't it going to at some point demand a redefinition of our relationship with plants and animals?
I mean, I think the real interesting evidence, too, besides Sheldrake's work on dogs knowing when their owners are coming home and the psychic pet stuff, is also Cleveland Baxter's work.
And I mean, Cleve is also coming to our conference.
He's been doing work for 40 years.
He's the premier lie detector expert in the world.
And he's pulled by the FBI.
And whenever you want, anybody, he's your man on lie detection.
And he teaches it.
This has got to be about 30, 40 years ago.
Cleve was just curious, and he was playing around one day, and he thought, you know, well, maybe I'll hook up a plant to a lie detector.
You know, lie detectors measure autonomic nervous response.
They measure our fight-or-flight mechanisms.
And when we're lying, all that stuff races.
You know, our hearts race, and we sweat more, and all of that.
And that's what a lie detector picks up.
So he attaches a plant to this thing.
And he thinks to himself, I'm going to kill you, plant.
The plant registers a freakout.
The plant registers a fight or flight response.
So this completely blows Cleve's mind.
And he continues to do these kinds of experiments over years.
And he has found that plants will register to other plants.
If you are about to try to destroy another plant, another living thing, one plant in the area will register that.
If you try to, and it's not just plants, he's trying to other living cultures.
You know, I'm a meat eater, so this is not easy for me to suggest, but I have had a nagging feeling, just one of those things in the back of my head for a long time that I've been thinking about.
If plants and animals are much more than we think they are, and perhaps closer to us in many ways than we've imagined, then at some point, science, if it does go down this road and discover there's so much more, is going to have to redefine, or we're going to have to redefine, our relationship with both of them.
Seems to me we were talking about lie detectors and plants and such, Lynn.
But I really mean that.
I've had this nagging, sort of nagging feeling for a long time now that plants and animals are more than we imagine them to be, and there's more to them than we imagine.
You know, and we'll grab a hamburger and love it and a nice salad and all the rest of it.
Is it possible that we're going to come to some point where we redefine our relationship with these Entities.
Well, yeah, I think it's, I mean, what Cleve Baxter's work suggests is that, you know, we are part of a vast ecosystem that feels every tremor that happens.
I mean, it's pretty scary thinking.
But Cleve's work has also shown that things like yogurt, if you've got yogurt in the fridge and you take some more and throw it down the sink, that the yogurt in the fridge registers a reaction.
I mean, that cell, you take cells of a person and you take them out in a laboratory, and he's been able to measure that the cells, say sperm cells outside a man's body, register things, you know, register when he's upset, the cells are upset too, even if they're someplace remote in a lab.
So, you know, this is all suggesting, as I say, getting back to Yoda, where he says, you know, I feel a disturbance in the force, where Cleves had demonstrations that if something dies in an area, let's say a pond, and a little fish dies in the pond, that some of the plants around the pond will register that.
So there's this disturbance in the force.
So it really suggesting that we're all part of this vast ecosystem and that we all feel each other energy frequencies all the time.
If this is the case, then yes, we have to be really thinking about what we're doing and be a lot more conscious about what we're thinking all the time and what we're doing all the time.
Okay, so there's a suggestion then there's a universal connectedness, that everything's connected to everything else in some less many times and conscious way.
Yeah, well, remember we're getting back to talking about the zero-point field, looking at it, you know, what is a good explanation for it, is if we boil down, everything in the universe boils down to little energy packets, packets of pulsating energy, doing a little energy dance, passing back energy back and forth with the zero-point field, almost like a medicine bowl being passed between two people.
That's what's really going on.
So if that's going on between all the electrons and all the subatomic particles in the universe, including us, including everything else in the world, then we would be in touch in some way through everything, through the zero-point field with everything else.
And we would feel it on some level.
So it's a matter of us finding out how to tap into this more and how to sense it much more than we do at the moment.
And you know, Lynn, it seems like in our modern world, we're going in exactly the opposite direction in terms of recognition of this, of everything being connected in some way of the Earth itself, plants, animals, and our relationship to the Earth.
If you look at the American Native, for example, they have been, I don't know, understanding all of this and their connection to the Earth.
And while we march forward on the Internet and other technological wonders that we've achieved, we're moving in that direction while the American Native is sort of being lost and forgotten and back there, and they knew about this all along.
I mean, I think it's really time to actually study what these cultures have done, not thinking, oh, these are quaint and cute practices.
They actually were much more intuitively closer to what's real than we are now.
And our big problem is the place that science is taking us because of the problem.
Yeah, it's taking us completely away.
The current view of biology is moving more and more with the neo-Darwinist to the idea that we are some sort of genetic mistake and that we're just, you know, this body is just a husk for these genes and these genes just sort of march along like, you know, like slugs, just using us and discarding us when they're through.
And the same thing, you know, they're looking into smaller and smaller elements and isolating more and more the genome code and thinking this is the way to heal rather than looking at things much more holistically.
Science is pushing us to a place of greater separation.
But the native cultures, they have a whole different sense of time.
They think of time as a circle, not an arrow.
And they think of connections with their ancestors, that their ancestors are somehow walking here and are in our constant presence.
And the same thing with just about all of their views are a sense of connectedness that we must study and understand.
Well, it's a matter of educating ourselves alone and in groups about how to live a more connected life.
And I mean, as I say, I've been studying it and have been working with a number of people.
And we've developed a course called Living the Field, which is a, you know, it's a monthly, like a publication, that's a monthly masterclass.
And it includes a bunch of different people who are experts in a variety of things.
And they are teaching people how to do healing, remote viewing, expanding their consciousness, looking at native cultures and native awareness, studying earth energies, which is a big thing of mine now, the effect of Geomagnetic, you know, the geomagnetic effect of some solar energy and planetary energy on how we live our lives.
Well, a lot of people don't think it does, but that's been a big thing.
But all of these sorts of dreams and how to use dreams more effectively.
But we're always looking at the science of all of this and trying to develop that also with exercises.
But a lot of people, as a result, are starting to develop small groups.
And we've been encouraging this again on our website, where people who believe this and are trying to work on this new paradigm feel very alone.
I'm sure this is one of the great things about your show art, is it brings together like-minded people all over the country.
And we are trying to do that in local places where people are setting up little groups to practice some of this together.
You know, groups of eight and ten and twenty in their community.
And we are holding conferences, which are educative conferences and workshops and things.
And as I said, we have a big conference coming up in October, 9th and 10th of October, which brings a lot of experts together who are trying to teach people and hold workshops to help people expand their consciousness and expand their ability in remote viewing cosmic consciousness and understanding how to do forecasting through their dreams and how to live a more holistic life.
Lynn, I guess I've got to bring up this topic with you.
How do you feel about mass experiments?
I toyed with some experiments I think you're probably aware that just frankly, at the end of it all, scared the hell out of me.
I realized that what we were doing was working, but then I, you know, asking millions of people to change the weather, for example, or to manipulate the course of a hurricane, something I've definitely stopped doing.
That kind of scale are too early for that kind of thing, I would think.
Well, some of the experiments we're working on, we're going to need a bunch of people, but we want to work on a very controlled basis, you know, working with scientists.
And I say I agree with you.
It's very scary to try to do it with millions of people.
But I think, you know, it has to be very carefully targeted.
Like saying, I'm going to target at a very specific, say, a little hospital or something like that, and target people who have a very specific problem that you can quantify and try to change.
And work on certain people doing something very, very specific together.
And have that, you know, as I say, controlled in lots of different scientific ways.
Because we have to understand the power.
I mean, I understand from your experiments that, you know, the weather Changed drastically, that you had great, incredible, almost too much success.
And I mean, and as you say, it scares you because you think, well, this is some inordinate power that we have to somehow, you know, tame and understand more before knowing what to do with it.
Yeah, well, I mean, as I say, that's what I'm doing with my next book, and the book that I'm working on at the moment.
We're working on trying to define and to look further on the whole power of intention.
And we're working with some really good scientists.
And the point is to really use this.
And I think you need to use it for good deeds.
I think the people who talk about it has to be used for some positive reason.
I think it needs to be very positive and very specific.
And so those are some of the things that we're trying to look at at the moment.
But it is, you know, it's important to do this.
So I don't think you should have been, you know, you should castigate yourself for doing it.
I think it's important to have proved it, that there's something here.
But in order for the science world to take it seriously, it's like with those parapsychology studies.
They have to be whiter than white.
They have to be better than regular science.
And even then, they're still not taken seriously.
So my point is I want to work with some, and I'm talking with some of these really top scientists who are going To develop such airtight experiments that there's just going to be no question that they work.
I watch geomagnetic events and I watch geomagnetic storms, and I can't help but think that geomagnetic energy streaming at the Earth has an effect on the beings who live on Earth.
And I wonder if there's been any Study done between geomagnetic events and people's behavior?
This is one of the things that I've been writing about in this course that I've been talking about that we do.
And, you know, we think of the old astrology, I call it the new astrology because the old astrology is, you know, the sort of idea of natal position is destiny and that everyday placement of the planets affects your life and your luck.
But I mean, with this new astrology, and there's tons of scientific evidence on this, that it demonstrates that the energy generated by the sun, the moon, and the planets affects human energy, and it affects your ability to tap into the field.
Well, I can tell you from doing a talk show and dealing with the public out there on a regular basis that it's true, Lynn, when you have a full moon, for example, people behave differently.
Firefighters, police, people in public service, they can all tell you it's true, and it is true.
I mean, there's the effects of the sun, the effects of the moon, and profoundly, most profoundly, the effects of the sun.
You know, when we think of the sun, we think of this very hot entity, but we don't realize how explosive this thing is.
That it's just this sea of violent and unpredictable space weather.
And I've been looking a lot into space weather.
It's really fascinating stuff because it is just this violent thing.
You know, our Earth is surrounded by this geomagnetic doughnut.
It's a geomagnetic shield.
And what's happening from the sun is the sun is hurling at us solar flares and there's solar wind, which is 2 million miles per hour, and these coronal mast ejections, which are, you know, like throwing a billion tons of gaseous matter at us, hurled at the Earth.
And about a third of the time, there are these vast geomagnetic storms, which have profound effect on biological systems.
We know through studies that they can affect even little primitive systems like algae, but they will affect animals that migrate.
Homing pigeons can't get home.
They forget, you know, it just screws up their antennae for getting home, and they smash is the way it's termed.
I don't know if you've been following it, but animal behavior is quite strange, and migratory birds have been crashing and not migrating, and a lot of very strange and unsettling things have been going on in that regard.
Well, I think, you know, they said that there's a huge, one of the reasons for the very strange weather that we've all been having is that the sun has been pretty busy of late, and there's been an awful lot of activity.
And there was a huge solar flare last autumn about a year ago that upset all sorts of things for a long time.
But they're finding that this is, you know, these kinds of geomagnetic storms, you know, have effects on, they mess up all sorts of electrical stuff and radio things, but they also have profound effects on us.
They have huge effects on our cardiovascular systems.
Our blood gets about twice as thick as normal.
Mental illness, epileptic seizures, psychiatric hospitals have many more people of sort of flooding in when there's a lot of solar flares.
There are many of us, one of the stated purposes of HAARP is to, for example, be able to affect the ionosphere and cause a reflection to occur and actually, for example, depress an attacking army or an army that's about to attack, have a mass effect on human beings.
And one has to wonder if the government, through HAARP, has not begun to experiment in exactly these areas, toy around in these areas.
Well, you know, again, we talked a bit about before what the government does without people knowing.
And, you know, it's not beyond, I have no evidence of it, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility.
And I think it's very frightening because the more I look at this, that, again, we talked about us being this kind of little ecosystem with our plants and our animals, et cetera, in this kind of delicate harmony.
And the same thing goes for us in relation to all the other planets, because there seems to be enormous effects from the sun and the moon and the other planets on us, on our energetic frequencies.
Well, I think that that kind of story gets repeated all the time to me about people who, on their own little basis, try sending out intentions in all regards and get a result.
Now, a lot of people who work on this, again, this isn't necessarily scientific, but a lot of people working and self-help type people who talk about it and also gurus of a variety of Eastern type philosophies say that when you send out an intention, send it out as though it's already happened.
I have a new cat kind of thing.
I am getting a new cat.
Instead of future tense, I would like a new cat, something like that.
It's just my new cat is here.
And they also say, send it out and then forget about it.
And a lot of healers talk about this too.
They send out their healing intent and then they go on to something else.
Now, you know, a lot of this thing, a lot of what we call the paranormal, particularly as it involves precognition, for example, appears to be so random in nature.
There's nothing consistent about the ability or the power, and it seems to come even unbidden.
It just happens.
But it's so irregular that scientists can't get their hands wrapped around it because it's not that repeatable, and they just love repeatable things.
Well, I think this is why it comes back to the idea of us wanting to do experiments and to work on it.
I mean, a lot of scientists just don't believe it, so they don't look at it.
And many of the people doing paranormal experiments are working on certain things with random machines or whatever, but haven't pushed the boat out as much as can be pushed out on things like practical uses of this.
How do we use this stuff in real life?
And that's, as I say, that's what we're looking at at the moment.
Well, I think the reason it's not a consistent thing, it comes back to what we were talking about, Art, about the effect of the energies on our own energy.
We talked about the effect of the sun, but aside from having profound biological effects, it also seems to have a great effect on our ability to access the field, to have psychic experiences.
Some of the studies that have been done shown that when the Earth is, you know, when the sun is quiet, when it's a nice low-level geomagnetic day, it's like a clear day and you can see forever.
Brain slow way activity increases.
That's the kind of thing that we need for more meditative effects.
It's like a metronome for us because it sets up so many things.
There are certain harmonics of the sun that are available that more or less become our rhythms at birth.
And it seems then that thereafter, there are all these explosive effects we've talked about seem to interfere with our sort of ability to pick up things beyond our own senses.
Now, when the Earth is noisy, they found that there's some disturbances in electrical balances of the brain and your EEG readings are destabilized.
So your brain's not working so synchronistically, and it seems to upset our energetic equilibrium.
And the studies that have been done shown that in these noisy geomagnetic days, we're not so good at remote viewing.
So I always tell people that, you know, the good thing to do is to check the NOAA website and check out what the sun's doing before you, you know, you try doing some of this.
Lynn, I want to take some calls, and I want to remind my audience on the lines that, listen, folks, we're talking across the Atlantic Ocean, so we have a little bit of a satellite delay.
Therefore, when we're doing an interview like this in Europe, it's best when you come on, if you don't try to get too interactive, but rather pose your question and then stop and pause and allow the guest to answer.
Let's give it a try.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Lynn McTaggart.
Well, I think it's more a case that you forecast what happened, that you picked up something about them and were able to forecast, and you picked up what they call precognitive information.
So you picked up ESP-wise information about what they were going to do.
And that's very much the case.
As I mentioned, there was a study of the people's dreams of people about 9-11.
And there were some incredible dreams.
They weren't always of the Twin Towers.
Some people in Philadelphia saw buildings in Philadelphia being hit by planes, but they'd picked up the general information.
So again, if you think about this just big energy field of information of all Great Big One now as opposed to past and future, then you just picked up information from the field ahead of time in advance.
There was an experiment done at a Midwestern university back in the 70s, and it was grant money in reference to the possibility of a mind experiment, if you will, in reference to taking and just concentrating on the construction of a barn.
And university students stood around in a circle, concentrated on all of the construction elements, be it the bolts and the...
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They actually took an old barn that they went and studied carefully before they went and did this experiment with these university students, and they actually demolished the barn, and that was the end of the experiment.
I mean, there is some work with, you know, psychokinesis, you know, which is the real big mind-over-matter effects.
And there's work with Poulter, you know, about Poulter guys.
But it's been hard to study people like Uri Geller, for instance, who was, you know, a lot of the scientists working with him in the 70s said he wasn't a fake.
I mean, he was really bending spoons.
But every time they tried to actually put him in a lab and put a video camera on him, they couldn't get him, he couldn't do it.
So it was some sort of zone he got into where he just couldn't be observed in it.
I mean, they would see him doing it, but on an informal basis, but not in a lab.
No, I think that, and many of these scientists, and they're credible, skeptical, good frontier scientists, were seeing this happening not only with him, but with young people too.
Children watching Geller would also be able to spend spoons.
It's like an information channel that we lose when we get older, except certain very gifted people keep that channel open.
So they said it worked and they saw incredible things.
I mean, Ed Mitchell talked about a little pin he'd lost, and he thought he'd actually left it on the moon.
You know, he wasn't really sure.
You know, he was one of the astronauts.
And while he was having lunch with Jury Geller, he chomped on something, and it hurt his mouth, and he opened his mouth, and there was the pin.
But he said it was happening all the time with Uri, because, of course, he was working with some of the scientists in the 70s trying to get funding for things like studies of Uri Geller.
He was very interested in consciousness, as you well know.
But that was one of the most interesting things that happened to him.
The pin came out in his mouth.
So it was, you know, things like that, he said, were happening all the time.
So there's definitely an energy around people like that.
And in many cases, as I say, the young seem to be able to have, they seem to be much easier at, you know, much better at bending spoons and automatic at it than people like us.
Certainly, a lot of people I've interviewed, Lynn, about ghosts and about hauntings and about poltergeist kind of activity, that's all come, or even the majority of it, from young teenage girls.
Yeah, they say, well, noisy energies, you know, usually I think they say it's teenagers who are just, you know, disgruntled kids are the ones who tend to have poltergeists.
So it's almost like a physical manifestation of their mental state.
I think a lot more needs to be done in that, you know, in that mode.
But the science that does exist, I think, is spectacular enough.
So even though I don't think we've got evidence yet of demolishing a barn by thought alone, remember we've got Buddhist monks being studied by Harvard people and seeing that they can dry freezing blankets in a matter of minutes with their minds.
I think it's maybe been our interpretation of the Bible, we think of it as being one set thing, but the Bible is almost a blueprint for all sorts of things and interpretations.
And, you know, you have to realize that one of the best psychokinetic person of all was Jesus Christ.
I mean, he was able to, and Moses was able to part the waves.
He was able to have the loaves and fishes expand to fit the crowd.
And there are all sorts of things like that that these kinds of aware people, and of course in his case, you know, something beyond a person, of course, was able to do.
And so there are many things in the Bible that you would say, well, now science is finally catching up with it.
And I think that's my point about the field, my book and this work, is that it's catching up with where it's providing a science of religion.
And so it's not antithetical to it.
It's just providing the nuts and bolts of why this works.
Well, maybe there's more to this world than we imagine, isn't there?
That's what we're talking about, I guess, this morning.
So much more to this world.
So much more going on all around us than any of us even imagined.
Lynn, you mentioned longevity, for example.
In the Bible, people lived at one time to be over 900 years of age.
Seas were parted.
Miracles were done, seeming mind over matter things were achieved on a somewhat regular basis.
So it's such a superb question because is it possible that this is something very, very old that the human race once just about had mastered or was certainly controlling to a very large degree, and we've somehow forgotten about it or it's slipped away from us over the years with technological development?
You know, it's difficult to say because some of what is in the Bible may be metaphorical.
You know, we have to look at some of that.
But it is likely that many things that have slipped away certainly have been present in all kinds of Native cultures.
As I say, if you look around the world, whether it's the Maoris or the Native Americans or Polynesian cultures, they all believe in this kind of force, this energy, and they all believe in tapping into it.
They all believe in getting into an alpha state, as we call it, in a state of slowing your brain down, of light meditation.
And you can get there whether you use a mantra or rosary beads.
You know, my Italian grandmother used to use rosary beads all the time.
She would just get into a zone, and I realized that she was meditating when she was praying.
And that is, you know, also getting into that state.
And it's a state of greater receptivity as well, and why you hear many people getting things like religious visions, etc., when they're in that state.
So these kinds of cultures, as well as the civilization written about in the Bible, knew much more about this intuitively than us with our science in ripping ourselves apart and defining ourselves as being so separate.
Well, he had mentioned the fact that he was pretty much able to bend spoons and then he was able to do it in a scientific, in front of the scientists, but not really in front of the video camera.
Even aside of him, it is very important to have the cynics to drive to the truth.
Me being one of them, yet I have quote-unquote people tell me ESP because I can guess the numbers out of their head from 1 to 100 with a rate of about 80% hit.
And yet I am not a believer.
I'm still waiting for facts to come in on my own self.
Never minding that, Yuri Geller, not being able to do it because there was a video camera.
Well, he had done this on TV in front of many cameras with many people watching him under many circumstances.
Yeah, but I'm not sure that the tonight show, for example, is the same as a laboratory with a video camera pointed at you for scientific documentation.
It's not the same thing.
I don't know.
There's a lot of controversy about Uri Geller, isn't there, Lynn?
And the reason I wanted to bring in people like Edgar Mitchell, because Edgar Mitchell and Hal Putoff, Hal Putoff is a physicist who ran the Scientific Research Institute studies on remote viewing.
And he's an extremely well-respected physicist.
And he and Mitchell worked with Geller and they controlled for all sorts of scientific, you know, for fraud.
And they are convinced that he was not a fraud, that he was doing this.
And it wasn't clever.
As I say, they had controlled for it.
And these are skeptical scientists.
And Mitchell's an astrophysicist as well as being an astronaut.
And I think that you have to, it's very easy to be a James Randi.
But when you actually, and to just try to poke holes in things and just say it doesn't exist, because all of our brains are now, we're all programmed with science as we know it to believe that these sorts of things don't exist.
The point is, as I said earlier in the show, some of the best science in the world is being done on parapsychology.
It is more blinded, it is more scientific, and there is no question that this goes on.
It's just, I mean, we're just using different words here.
But if we talk about the zero-point field being the absolute, being God, in a sense, we're just talking about what is a, instead of us thinking of God as a man with a long beard, maybe he is a giant energy field, and he is the creator through that field of all of us.
And that is exactly what we're saying.
So as I say, it's not antithetical to religion.
It's just providing a different framework, a scientific framework, and showing that this is really the truth.
Well, again, it's creating a field of intent that many people would say is very much affecting us in Britain and in America about being terribly fearful and needlessly fearful about terrorist attacks.
Not to say we shouldn't be vigilant, etc.
But certainly that kind of idea is, I think many ideas are an infection that take hold and they affect the energy field.
And certainly, you know, one could argue that a similar situation happened in Germany in the 40s with Hitler, in the 30s and 40s with Hitler.
And there's possibly some truth to that.
And I suppose now it's important for us to all send a positive intention for our president, current president and future president, whoever that is, to handle this wisely.
I mean, I think this is one of the things that we're looking at.
We're going to be looking at.
We're working on in our experiments.
We're going to be looking at in, you know, we have this conference in London in October that is going to have a lot of these consciousness people and workshops that will be looking at the effect of intent.
And to see, I mean, I think from the evidence we have, Art, the evidence of the memory of water, as I say, it looks like positive intent has stronger effect.
There's also the work of John Diamond, which is really interesting.
Dr. John Diamond, who sort of prefigured people like David Hawkins with this whole idea with kinesiology, that you can measure thoughts making your body weak.
And he's done this over thousands of studies in many, many years.
And he's found that bad thoughts make our body weak.
Negative thoughts make our body weak.
But that we can be immune to bad thoughts if you concentrate on what he calls a homing thought, which is your life's purpose.
And I find this very interesting and intriguing and needing more experiment on, because if this is true, it may well be that there is a central thought one can keep in their mind to stay strong in the face of negative intentions.
I mean, there's many people, there's a great story I always tell this guy with leukemia, didn't know he had leukemia, and he was going along just doing absolutely fine.
And then he went into his doctor's office and read his notes upside down and saw his diagnosis was leukemia.
And a week later, he died.
And there was no change in his biology.
I mean, the doctors could find no reason for his sudden deterioration other than the fact that he thought he had a life-threatening illness.
My name is Brent from Portland, and this is actually the first time I've ever gotten through.
Okay, Brent.
A little bit of a background.
I believe in what you believe, that there is a higher power, that there is no coincidences, and that we also have a unique connection with animals and other life.
A little bit of background.
I've been a missionary with kids.
I studied psychology in college, and I'm a Pisces.
Well, I've got to tell you that if you kind of, you guys, this is hard to get your mind around, but if we are all connected through this energy field, we are the field.
We're not separate.
We're not something else.
We're just doing this energy dance with the field.
So we are all part of it, i.e.
we are all God.
And we are all, it's up to us to get rid of our paradigms and our thoughts about being separate.
That's the biggest problem of all.
And from understanding that we're not separate comes tremendous knowledge about how to use this and how to create our world.
You know, and you know, people are saying there's something more out there than the lonely view of ourselves that we're given.
And this is why, you know, so many people are working.
The whole New Age view of how to recreate what we think about ourselves is happening in so many different ways.
And we're finding it, as I say, we're having little groups are forming all over Britain and the U.S., of people trying to create field communities where they are working on this together.
And for anybody interested, please do visit our website and tap into this because this is what we're trying to promote, is people's greater understanding of how to live a better and more unified life.
And I also want to mention about our conference, we've got people like Edgar Mitchell and Raymond Moody, Stanley Krippner, remote viewing people like Skip Atwater and Joe McMonacle.
And the whole purpose of that is it's on the 9th and 10th of October in London.
And the whole purpose is to help people really understand and work on developing the remote viewing out of body experience dream forecasting powers.
And we've had some of them before, and they are usually transforming experiences.
The first thing is, I believe it was George Norrie who was talking about this about how Bob hoped people would see him die, and it was like a totally different reality.
Lynn, it's a lot to go into right now, but there is this oddity, I guess it's an oddity, where a lot of people have the same memory of the same event, like somebody dying, for example.
They thought they had died, and yet they're alive.
And it's kind of like an alternate timeline sort of thing.
Well, remember, we're talking about, you know, if you get back to the old idea of non-locality occurs in time as well as space, and they found that in scientific experiments now, then we are living in alternate timelines.