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Sept. 11, 2004 - Art Bell

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, and wherever you may be in the world's 25 known time zones, all covered like a blanket by this program post code fam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Martell honored.
unidentified		Privileged to be with you through the weekend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And in a moment, what an adventure we are going to have.
		You know, it's not that often, I guess, that I get to be a real fan.
		You know, an actual real fan of another show, but there's a program I've been telling you about week in and week out called Dead Like Me.
		And I'm a fan.
		I mean, there's no two ways about it.
		I'm a big fan.
		It's on Showtime.
		And we're going to talk with one of the stars of that program.
		Ellen Booth.
		And, uh, and Hank Cohen, who is, uh, none other than, like, the guy in charge, president of MGM Television Entertainment.
		Big Time.
		Alright, just very quickly here at the beginning of the program.
		The photograph on my webcam on the website CoastCozAM.com is of a frog here in the desert.
unidentified		In my, well, on my back porch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's taken up residence here, and I went out and took a photograph of him last night.
		That is good luck, I am told.
		Bad luck is the storms we're having in the desert right now.
		Oh, we're having some wickedly, wickedly big storms.
		And the lightning is flashing all around us out here.
		I have a feeling Death Valley is filling up out there.
		I don't know.
		Bad storms here in the desert and bad storms in the Caribbean island now.
		910 millibars.
		910 millibars.
		That's like one of the five worst in all of history.
		And I'm going to put a shot up on the webcam of that after a while.
		But in a moment, in the first hour, we're going to talk with Hank Cohen and Alan Muth all about a program I love, I love, called Dead Like Me coming right up.
		you Even from the time I began to see the previews for the program Dead Like Me on Showtime, my wife and I both said, oh man, that's for us right down our alley.
		And it would be right down your alley too if you haven't seen it yet.
		Trust me on this one, as I've been saying for weeks and weeks.
		So now, here I think, and I hope is Hank Cohen, who's none other than president of MGM Television Entertainment.
		Hey, Hank.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
		I'm great.
		Where are you, Hank?
unidentified		i am at home in the valley okay and uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		let's see if we can Ellen Muth, who plays Georgia on Dead Like Me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ellen, are you there?
unidentified		I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're really kind of light, so you're going to have to almost scream at us, Ellen.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But let's throw the first question to Hank.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hank, for those in my audience, and that would be some number perhaps, who have not yet seen Dead Like Me, how would you describe the program?
unidentified		Well, first of all, Art, I'd like to take the opportunity while we're on the show to thank you for all the nice words.
		It's funny.
		This is one show, you know, when you're an executive, you love all your shows, but this one in particular, I just think it's so special, and I think it speaks to so many people on an emotional level that I am very, very proud of it, and I appreciate your support.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have every right to be proud of it.
		It's something different, and there's so much that's just sort of the same old junk on TV that this is so different.
		So, I mean, how would you describe it to someone who doesn't?
unidentified		Yeah, you know, it's hard.
		I would say it's darkly comedic.
		I think it's insightful.
		I think it's emotional.
		And I think that it takes someone to watch it and get by the surface and penetrate, you know, go underneath what the show is really talking about.
		And if you really look hard enough, the show is always about, I think death is sort of a metaphor for second chances.
		No, I mean on the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		No, absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		Ellen, describe your character.
		If I were to have to describe you, I'd say sort of a pouty, reluctantly rebellious reaper.
unidentified		I only have pouty lips.
		That's what I've been told.
		So it's interesting that question you just asked Hag because it really can't be described in one or two categories.
		It's not a science fiction, but it's not a comedy, and it's not a drama.
		It's kind of everything combined.
		And my character starts out as being very depressed and has problems with authority.
		And this season, season two, she's changed a lot for the better and come to terms with her sexuality and who she is.
		And she keeps on growing, which is odd for Grim Reaper because most of the time, you know, they stop growing and they just stay where they were when they died.
		But George really is growing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it seems like whether it's movies or television, the people who have the greatest success actually usually kind of share some characteristics with the character they play in real life.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there some of that here?
unidentified		It's funny you should ask that because I've been asked that before, and I found that I have a very deadpan sense of humor.
		But in terms of, you know, like her family dynamics that I can't relate to.
		But as far as her actual personality, I would say that I am very deadpan and sarcastic.
		And I do have actually trouble with authority.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be Hank.
unidentified		Not with Hank.
		I was just about to say, not with Hank, though.
		Oh, of course not.
		We have great.
		He doesn't boss me around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's good.
unidentified		In fact, a lot of times it's the other way around, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the first season, your character, Ellen, George, had sort of a dead side, sort of a doped-out-looking George.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I don't see that in the second season, right?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just the pretty George in the second season.
unidentified		Yeah, she's starting to accept, you know.
		One thing I know you asked that to Ellen, but I think our producers, John Matius and Stephen Gottschau, who write and run the show, have done a great job this year because, you know, so many times in television, shows come along and you really like the show the first season, and it's pretty much virtually the same characters for five years.
		And I think from one season to the next, these guys, our characters have grown so much, which people do in real life.
		And I think it's odd that a show that, you know, I don't think anyone would argue that, you know, we don't have proof that there really are Grim Reapers out running around there, so it is somewhat fantasy.
		But the growth of our characters from one season to the next has been enormous, and I think people really do grow that way, and I think it reflects real life.
		And I think George last year was struggling with sort of her passing.
		I think this year she's struggling with living.
		And I think it's a throwback to where she was before the toilet seat hit her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's you.
unidentified		That's also one difference, you know, Ellen, you forgot to point out that between the real-life Ellen and George is that when the toilet seat hit you and you were real life Ellen, it just wounded you.
		It didn't kill you.
		This is crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		again there's gotta be a lot of a lot of georgia actually in you could you play it too well or maybe that's just something that uh...
		Maybe you're just a good actress.
		That's right.
		Now, there's some of that in you, for sure.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's the set atmosphere like, Ellen?
unidentified		It's great.
		I mean, I have never worked with a crew and cast that I have no complaints over at all.
		I love everyone and everyone in the production.
		And it's funny because you get us together in the Waffle House and everyone's just joking around and singing and helps to keep it very light.
		Because it is a dark show.
		It's a dark comedy.
		And you need to take that break from the show and get into reality.
		And it's really funny if you were to ever see The Gag Reel.
		We're always goofing around before the actual scene starts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd really like to see that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When does that get released?
unidentified		The Gag Reel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does it ever get released?
unidentified		I don't think so.
unidentified		You just gave me an idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't these things occasionally and finally leak out somewhere?
unidentified		Sometimes in the DVDs they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who thinks, I mean, the deaths are incredible.
		I remember, like, the surfboard, the guy dancing on the bar, you know, the banana peel, and then the God's head crushed in the door.
		Who in the world thinks all this stuff up?
unidentified		I asked the writers that, and they actually have sessions that aren't even story or character sessions, just death stunt sessions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can we kill somebody?
unidentified		Yeah, they really do focus, and then they try and write to the stunt.
unidentified		I'm great at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, you said this yourself.
		I mean, Dead Like Me walks a really, really fine line.
		I mean, just sort of walking up to the edge of sacrilege, I suppose, for some who view it.
		You know, I mean, stealing from the dead, that kind of thing.
		And I wonder how that line is walked.
		That must be a real fine line.
unidentified		Yeah, I think it's a fine line.
		And, you know, one of the things that I think is so interesting about the show, while it is supposedly, I guess, at its core about death, I think people that watch it, and a lot of people have said this to me, and in fact, my nephew, who even had a chance last year to read a couple of the scripts before we shot him, he said, you know, and he had seen a couple of the episodes as well, he said, it's funny, this show makes me a little less afraid to die.
		Yeah.
		And I think it really does do that because it, you know, even what we tried to convey in the main title, and I think it's a really cool main title, is, you know, death is all around us.
		It's there just as much as when we go to work and we play basketball and when we eat lunch and when we're on the bus, it is everywhere, but it's just a part of life.
		So let's get on with it and let's not make it this big monster that some people, you know, unfortunately, or, you know, rightfully so, whatever, do, because it is just, it's natural and it's going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that sounds quite true, isn't it?
		The show sort of, I don't know, you come away with the impression that, look, every second you're here, it could happen.
		You know, death could happen anytime, anyway, in the most unexpected way, at the most unexpected time.
unidentified		So make it count while you have your chance to live.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		George, George, I'm sorry.
		See, that's what fans, that's what fans do.
		Ellen, do you believe in the, do you think there's an afterlife?
unidentified		It's funny you should ask that because that's probably the one question that I get asked more than any other.
		Yeah, and, you know, it's one of those things that, you know, you can't really figure it out.
		So I can't really say, yes, I do, or no, I don't, because you don't know unless it happens until you die.
		And I'd like to say yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you don't know.
unidentified		Right, exactly.
unidentified		And it's one of the unmentionables because you really don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I interview real-life people here all the time who have died on the operating table, that kind of thing, and have gone to the other side and seen it or gone partway to the other side.
		And these are real serious people, you know, older people who have had heart attacks or transplants or whatever, and they actually died on the operating table.
		And they tell all these similar, incredible similar stories.
		Right.
		And so I'm kind of like you, but I'm leaning toward it does seem like there might be something.
		And I guess that's what the show is going to keep exploring.
		It's comedy.
		It is dark somewhat.
		And it's also about the supernatural.
		So it's many things, isn't it?
		But what, most of all, comedy, I guess?
unidentified		I would say it's a dark comedy.
		Usually when people ask me, you know, what is it about or what kind of surface does it have, I say it's a dark comedy.
		And it's interesting what you said about the people on the operating table and how they died, you know, whether it be for a minute or two minutes, because I've heard, you know, people who try to commit suicide actually go to this very dark place where they see things like gravelings, pretty much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gravelings, that's right, from the show.
unidentified		And then people who die from natural causes and then come back remember a light, you know, in a tunnel.
		And it's very interesting because it's kind of saying, you know, if you die happy, then what you get is happiness.
		But if you die in a dark, morbid sense, that's what you get as well.
		Helen, remember the episode where you guys were having to monitor people's, quote, last thought?
		Yeah.
		It was such a great episode because when they categorized them, it was like 75% of people, the last thought they had was a regret.
		So the whole point was, you know what, don't regret.
		Live your life and do what it is you're setting out to do and don't wish you had done it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's another thing, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, almost every show has a really strong moral message.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And, you know, they do it without you even knowing that you're getting the message until you think back on it.
		You know, I think we entertain first, which I think the more successful shows and movies do.
		But when you think back on it, you realize, and, you know, these writers are so good at, and the actors too, obviously, but at setting it up early on, kind of what it's going to be about, and then you just enjoy the story, and at the end, it all ties up.
		And not in a pretty bow, but just in a sort of full circle sort of way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's one show that really, really sticks out in my mind.
		I was, at the time, retired.
		I've been in and out of radio a bunch of times, and I was getting ready to come back in and do the weekend program for the network.
		And I had a lot of fans, and so I simply went up to a website, and I posted the phrase, mysterious and reassuring.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They went berserk, speculating about when I was coming back and all the rest of it.
		I just fell in love with that phrase, mysterious and reassuring.
		That would be the show where you had the photo album, which was not a scrapbook, and entitled it, Mysterious and Reassuring.
		And I thought that was such a classic piece while you were going through how these people met their endings.
unidentified		Yeah, that was funny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you ever have any input, Ellen, into how your character plays out her role?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, do you ever sort of, I don't know, in the middle of the set, say, hey, I wouldn't do that, or I would do that, or let's do this.
unidentified		I really have no limits as far as, you know, like what happens to George, because it's not as though she's alive and she has control over what happens.
unidentified		You know, a lot happens that she has no control over because either her boss controls her, which would be Mandy Patinkin, or the Grablings control her, or Dolores Hernbig.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brown eyes.
unidentified		So, yeah, that's basically how I feel about what goes on around her.
		She really has no control over.
		But that's true in everyday life as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a religious person or spiritual?
		I mean, you had quite a bit to say about near-death.
		So this is obviously something you thought about a little bit, Ellen.
unidentified		Only because people have asked me so much, and I was trying to figure out what's an interesting answer I could give them.
unidentified		And finally, I realized, you know, just be honest, and the truth is, is that I try not to dwell on things that I know I can't have an answer to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think most families in America are dysfunctional?
unidentified		Dysfunctional?
		Oh, absolutely.
		I'm ashamed to say that, but it seems as though everyone I know has some kind of dysfunctional family.
		You know, obstacles that are, you know, basically things that you think you may be able to fix, but you really can't.
		Because once your parents get set, you know, they're set in their ways.
		And like, my dad is 64 years old.
		There's no way I'm going to change him.
		And if we want to be dysfunctional, then that's the way it is.
		And I honestly believe from all the people I've met with all my traveling and everything, everyone has a dysfunctional family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your mom in the show is so dysfunctional.
		She is the most generally unhappy woman that I've ever seen in my whole life.
		I wonder if in the program you will somehow come to reconcile with her or there's, you know, they keep your family and your sister and your mom in the show, so it hints that somewhere down the line there's going to be more interaction between you and your former family.
unidentified		Right.
		And, you know, one of the things I've heard from the majority of my fans, you know, in mail, you know, like through the mail or in person, is that they love the family dynamics, you know, with Joy and Reggie, Reggie being my sister.
		And it's very true.
		It's kind of heartwarming, but at the same time, it's very dark and depressing.
		But it's just, it's a good contrast, you know, because it kind of evens itself out.
		And I mean, I would love to be able to reconcile with my mother at one point, but right now, she's so, you know, believing that I'm just some psycho girl who keeps coming to her house and stalking them.
		So I couldn't really tell you right now as to whether or not they will or will not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but I think there's so much dysfunction in real life in America that actually that isn't all that unusual one way or the other for a lady to be that unhappy.
unidentified		You know what's interesting, Art, is talking about the family dynamic in this show.
		When we first started it, we certainly never looked at this as a family show.
		But if you go on several of the websites, both ours, Showtimes, as well as the fan creative ones, so many people write in, both older people and younger people, that this is the one show they can sit down as a family and watch because the older people get a real insight as to how honestly young people are thinking and vice versa.
		I think today, family viewing, because of all the niche programming, has become really sort of a lost event for the family.
		And this is one that's bringing them together.
		All right.
		As it would seem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hank, Ellen, hold tight for a moment.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		Ellen Muth, star of Showtime's Dead Like Me.
		Hank Cohen, president of MGM Television.
		That's quite a duo to have on, huh?
		Of one of my favorite programs.
		I'm a giant fan.
unidentified		I won't stop.
		I won't stop.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dead Like Me is about a young lady, beautiful young lady.
		In this case, Ellen Muth, who plays Georgia, who gets hit by a re-entering toilet seat, re-enters the atmosphere and kills her, and instead of dying completely, well, actually, she does die, she becomes a reaper, and her assignment is to take others' souls, other people's souls, just before they die in generally horrific, and if they can be funny, and they are funny, deaths of others.
		So she reaps souls.
		We'll get back to Ellen and Hank Cohen, who's president of MGM Television Entertainment in just a moment.
		Stay right there.
unidentified		Stay right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The End Once again, Hank Cohen, president of MGM Television and Ellen Moose, star of Dead Like Me.
		Hello again, you two.
		Hank, why Showtime?
		I think, to me, it almost has to be on Showtime where you can get away with the language.
		And some of the languages kind of are rated, but that makes it work, too, doesn't it?
unidentified		I think it does.
unidentified		I think it gives us certain freedoms to explore areas and have the realistic talk that I think people relate to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you couldn't be doing that on ABC or NBC or CBS or even Fox.
unidentified		No, I think we could do the show, but I don't think we could do the show that we're doing right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would not be as real, would it, Ellen?
unidentified		Not at all.
		I mean, it's interesting you would ask that because a lot of people have asked me that question, you know, why not the WB or Fox?
		And I said, you know, basically a lot of the things that happen in our show, you can't show on regular network TV.
		And a lot of people, you know, like my grandmother, would say, I can't watch you because you swear too much.
		And it's kind of funny, but a lot of it is necessary for the sense of humor that the team is set in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Hank, there have been introduction of different nameless reapers in, certainly in the first season, like, for example, the man who reaped George's soul.
		Then the kid.
		Remember the kid?
		That was really interesting.
		The kid who reaped the animal's souls.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm wondering if you're going to follow that theme some more in future seasons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that far ahead?
unidentified		Yeah, they absolutely do.
		I will say this season, when they came into my office before we even went into production.
		They had the whole, obviously not everything, you know, all the scripts written, but they had the whole season sort of arced out.
		And that is absolutely in the plans to continue to, you know, even perhaps occasionally revisit ongoing Reapers or, you know, create and of course introduce some new ones.
		Now, we couldn't go back to the Reaper that took George because he crossed over.
		Yeah, once you reap your last soul, which is a fairly fair.
		That's why George became a Reaper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in soap operas, when a character is deleted, they merely murder them or, I don't know, they die or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But in this case, they just pass on over, right?
unidentified		They just pass on over.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ellen, as your role develops, I mean, you were taken really early in your life, just as you were developing.
		Yeah, I think.
		And so I wonder if you will develop physical relationships, perhaps even at some point losing your astral virginity.
unidentified		You know, what's really interesting about that is I was thinking, I'm the youngest one of the Reapers, and we're not supposed to age at all.
		And I was thinking, you know, right now I'm 23 years old.
		What's going to, you know, if the show keeps going, what's going to happen once I reach like 25?
		I'm not going to look like I look anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you'll hang in for a while.
unidentified		I hope so.
unidentified		I hope so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's another thing.
		It is a huge hit, huge hit.
		And I guess, how did it go, Hank?
		Did it start off with a roar, or was it more likely people began discovering it as it went along?
		I think a little of both.
unidentified		I mean, we came out of the box very strongly, and we've continued to grow.
		We're doing very, very good and strong numbers right now.
		And it is a show that you can't say is across the board for everybody, because there are certain people, a very, very small percentage, hopefully, that would just make them too uncomfortable to watch it.
		But I will tell you, when you go on the website, and as I said before, I'm proud of all our shows, but you see what people write about this.
		This is a deep, deep emotional connection to this show.
		I was actually pretty blown away when we were down at Comic-Con, the big comic book convention a couple months ago in San Diego, and Ellen and a couple of the cast members were on the panel, and I was moderating it.
		People were standing up, and it was almost like a revival.
		I mean, they were talking about life's experiences.
		One woman, and I was really moved by this, she said after she watched the pilot, she went right to the phone and called her mother, and she hadn't talked to her in 15 years, and told her mother, you know what, we have to stop this fight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it sobering for you, Ellen, to realize how deeply this affects people, just as Hank's saying?
unidentified		It really is unusual because the majority of fan mail that I get, they all say how I've helped them because their mother passed on or their father passed on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And that's the most rewarding part about it to me.
unidentified		It's not the, I mean, I love doing the performing, but when I get letters like that, that's the most rewarding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess there's a lot that has come before Dead Like Me for You, but this certainly gives you a big public footprint.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're somewhere in New England, aren't you, Ellen?
unidentified		I'm in, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like Connecticut or something?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you go out now, do you get recognized a lot?
unidentified		I do, actually.
		It seems like, I mean, more so this year than last year, but I've found I can't, like, it's funny, my dad uses the term busted.
		And it seems like anytime I go out, you know, somebody will come up to me and say, you look just like the girl from Dead Like Me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they say that.
unidentified		If my father's with me, he'll always be like, it is her.
		Don't you want her eyes, Dad?
		And if I'm by myself or with a friend, I say, oh, really?
		Do any of them ask you if you could really reap them?
		Yeah.
		The funny thing is, I'm like, you don't want to shake my hand.
		Yeah, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good answer.
		Yeah.
		Hank, we're in, what, the second season is playing now?
unidentified		It is.
unidentified		And the first season is out on DVD and doing pretty well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And does it look like the ratings will sustain three and four?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how far ahead do you look?
unidentified		You know, Showtime has been a great supporter of the show.
		And everything that they tell me, they're very, very happy with the show.
		We're certainly, if not the highest rated, we're one of their highest rated shows.
		And the numbers just continue to grow, and they're solid.
		So I have to be positive and hopeful for season three.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I am too.
		I take it.
unidentified		I'm you too because I need to move to Malibu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're really going to move to Malibu, huh?
unidentified		No, I would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you live back east, but then what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have to fly west to do the series?
unidentified		In Vancouver, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All the way to Vancouver, huh?
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Up and over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, you two, are the gravelings, these creatures that precipitate the deaths of these folks, these gravelings, they're put in by computer afterwards, aren't they?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that work?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right?
unidentified		Yeah, they are.
unidentified		And I would just like to add that I think our visual effects and created by our visual effects people, the Gravelings are, they were nominated for an Emmy, and we will find out how we do tomorrow night at the Creative Arts Award.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no kidding.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And while we're on the subject, the music.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God, I love it.
unidentified		Art also nominated for, and we'll find out tomorrow night how Stuart Kopa works out of the music.
unidentified		I was just about to say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, that's, of course, where I picked up Matisse and Boomba from actually, I think, two separate episodes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was used.
unidentified		I think it's actually been in three.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has it been in three?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		It's just the right mood for the program.
		It's just.
unidentified		Yeah, you know, it was amazing when Boom Boom Bob, when it first came out, I think it was like the fifth episode or something like that.
		The websites went crazy.
		People asking, what is that song?
		What is that song?
		So people started posting before they even said, okay, the song is Boom Boom Bob by Matisse.
		and then they'd get on to the rest of it, because so many people asked about that song.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's still...
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		They did a re-release on the DVD, and they did better sales when they re-released that DVD than when they had initially come out with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the power of the program.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Wow.
		In fact, this year we have a guest star who's a musician, and I've been seeing him all over the place now because at the time that I had met him, I didn't really know who he was.
		And it seemed like a week later, he's on MTV and Carson Daly and all these big-time shows.
		Yeah, that's right, Art.
		His name is Gavin DeGraw.
		Yeah, I didn't know if I could say that or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure you can say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure you can.
unidentified		Yeah, sorry if we weren't supposed to, but we're doing a big tie-in.
		It starts, I think it starts next month, or next week, with MTV and Gavin because music has become such an important part of this show.
		And all that credit goes to, well, John Meish is our executive producer, of course, but Stuart Copeland, who writes this wonderfully imaginative music in a program that music really does sometimes help shape the mood for what the actors are doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does it ever.
unidentified		You know, I'm sure everyone who's listening has seen the making of a film, and they show the ruck cut where you don't hear the music.
		And it really does affect you emotionally because you find if you take the music away, the scene is completely different.
		I mean, I've seen directors' cut and producers cut of the show, which is before the special effects and before the music.
		And you just don't feel as much as you do if there is music in the background.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's right.
		Your role, Ellen, is so strong, and the show's becoming so strong.
		Strong.
		It's a strong role.
unidentified		Oh, strong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Strong, yeah, strong role.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, I'm wondering if you are at all concerned, if it goes on for years and years, which it looks like it will, that forever you're going to be a Reaper, typecast as a Reaper.
unidentified		Well, I've never seen any other scripts where there's a Reaper.
unidentified		In fact, when I first got this role, I had to ask my father, what is a grim reaper?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		I don't think it's possible to be typecast as that.
		I mean, I've been in situations where, you know, the media says she always plays a victim in most of her, you know, projects.
		But I firmly believe that only you can typecast yourself because basically it's up to you whether or not you want to take on a role.
		And if you continue to take victim roles or reaper roles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you make a good victim?
unidentified		With that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you make a good victim?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah, she really does.
		But, you know, I want to take a shot at that question also.
		She is an amazingly, extraordinarily talented actress, and I don't think there will be any sort of residual or hangover effect on her career at all.
		I think she will go on to play wonderfully diverse roles and nail all of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just that it's such a strong imprint in my mind now who she is.
		That happens.
		Hank, are there any other films or TV series that MGM is going to produce in the future that might focus on the metaphysical phenomena, I don't know, time travel, psychokinesis, telekinesis, shape-shifting, the cross-country?
unidentified		Well, you know, it's kind of funny.
		We've sort of become the sci-fi studio.
		You know, we did The Outer Limits.
		We do Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis.
		We just did a, my Valeria got to produce a direct-to-video Species 3, you know, which is going to be coming out in, I think it's coming out in November.
		Oh, yeah.
		Follow up to the first two species movies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, indeed.
unidentified		We did the Carrie remake, which everybody said was brave, if nothing else, that we did for NBC last year.
		So, yeah, we really do.
		We seem to have an interest in it.
		We've sort of found a niche for ourselves.
		And, yeah, I can tell you there will definitely be more of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So.
unidentified		I'm glad to hear that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are too, huh?
unidentified		With that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I say you are too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, how would you feel about reaping a talk show host one of these days?
unidentified		Well, it won't be you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, listen.
unidentified		Ellen, he didn't mean for real.
unidentified		He meant on the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, oh, oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See how seriously you're taking that role?
unidentified		You've got to watch what you say to her.
		She's always a reaper.
		I think that's a great idea, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would be honored to be reaped by George, wouldn't it?
unidentified		Reaped by me.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever imagine you'd fall into this kind of a role?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, from being a victim to suddenly, this is so out in left field.
unidentified		Well, I don't really think of it as being, like, fallen into it because it was the type of thing where I read the script and I thought, okay, this is brilliant, so there's no way I'm going to get it.
		And I still to this day, and according to my mother, a lot of actors say in interviews that they think this was a mistake.
		You know, somebody made a mistake somewhere hiring me because it's so good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, you're perfect.
unidentified		She is perfect.
		And I can tell you that, well, I, not personally, but our casting people, Paul Weber, who I think put together just an amazing cast on this show, he looked at probably between 400 or 500 girls.
		And, you know, we saw George and we did, I mean, Ellen, and we said, you know, there's George.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Happens to you, too.
		Yes, it does.
		Well, again, you know, I see her as, as I said, a sort of pouty, reluctantly rebellious Reaper.
		And she's got a certain aura of kind of rebellious poutiness about her that I don't know where else you'd find it, except unless it was kind of real in her life.
unidentified		Yeah, well, she was, you know, pouty and had trouble with authority before she died.
		You know, look at her family dynamics.
		She didn't get along with her mother or her father.
		And she never wanted to be told what to do.
		And I guess that's one thing I can relate to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I thought.
		You talk about it in the third person because, of course, it's a character, but there really has to be a lot of that in your life.
		Or can you be such a good actress that you could be something totally different?
		It doesn't seem like it to me.
unidentified		No, absolutely you can.
		I mean, as long as you're aware of your surroundings and you can make sense of things that other people are going through, I think that's one of the unique talents that an actor can have, you know, being able to analyze and see how other people live.
		And that's why I'm really fortunate that I didn't grow up in Hollywood or in New York with people in my family who are in the business, you know, because nobody in my family is in the business.
		So I grew up, you know, in a normal high school, not a performing arts.
		It was just a local high school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so then how did all this happen to you then?
unidentified		I don't know.
		I think I was chosen.
		No.
		It was actually something, ever since I was a little girl, I used to make, like, home movies and music videos and dance videos and all these things.
		And I just realized that recently, wow, I've really been performing since I was a little girl.
		And getting into this, it was like I told my father I wanted to do it.
		And my mom didn't want me to because she thought the rejection would lower my self-esteem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		But my father helped me follow through with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So she thought it was doomed.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I mean, it was kind of the thing where it's the untouchable.
		You know, it doesn't really happen to you.
		It happens to people who you don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But your dad was for it.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		He's very supportive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's, you know, it's...
unidentified		I know, me too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It seems to me like this show just, I don't know, it's special, it's magic, and it's so different.
		And those are the shows in television, I guess, that really do take off.
		I'm remembering All in the Family, for example, and a whole lot of shows that reached out and were just sort of dangerous on the edge.
		But they're the ones that made it.
		And that's what Dead Like Me is doing.
		It's right out there on the very edge.
unidentified		Yeah, and you know, I really commend Showtime and MGM for being so supportive of putting this show on the air because it's a very touchy subject, and you're going to find people who are absolutely opposed to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has there ever been a moment in the program, Ellen, where you said, we can't do this?
unidentified		No.
		You know why?
		I don't know.
		The type of person that I am, I'm really willing to try anything as long as it's not going to kill me.
		And Georgia's already dead, so there's no reason for her to be afraid of it.
		It's funny you should say that.
		The only time we would say, no, we can't do this is if we think it's too predictable or too, you know, too corny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Way to go.
		You never get anywhere by copying, and you two are big originals.
		So Hank, Cohen, Ellen Muth, thank you both so very much for being here.
		And if you ever want to reap a talk show host, we know where to look.
		Here I am.
		You two take care.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Thank you so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
		All right, there you have it.
		What an honor for me.
		What a privilege for me.
		You can imagine.
		I mean, you have a lot of favorite shows, right?
		What if you were a talk show host and you got to interview the star of your favorite show?
		Well, that's how it just was for me.
		It's called Dead Like Me, and it's on Showtime.
		If you haven't caught it yet, catch it.
		I'm Mark Bell from The High Desert.
unidentified		Be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this may be a piece of breaking news, and I hope it's not what I think it might be, but it may be the North Koreans have set off a nuke.
		Maybe they've lit off a nuke.
		I don't know.
		Associated Press is saying a large explosion, large, has occurred in the northern part of North Korea, sending a huge mushroom cloud into the air on an important anniversary of the communist regime, according to the South Korean news agency.
		The South Korean government said that it was trying to confirm the report.
		That's South Korea.
		The Yonghap news agency, citing an unidentified source in Seoul, said the explosion occurred at 11 a.m. local time Thursday In the province near the border with China, the blast has left a gigantic crater big enough to be noticed by satellite.
		Now, we really don't know at this point whether it was a deliberately planned nuclear test or it's been some sort of nuclear accident in North Korea.
		At this point, we're not sure.
		But I'll try and keep you informed, and hopefully you'll keep me informed.
		That came sailing in on Fast Blast.
		Thank you very much.
		One way of staying in touch with what's going on while I'm actually on the air.
		But it could be that or it could be a big accident in North Korea.
		Just wanted to kind of keep you up on things.
		In a moment, Tom Casmer.
		And this is going to be a very interesting program.
		He's a real deal.
		I was invited to call Mr. DeLorean, you know the man who makes the cars, who had something to say about Tom Casmer.
		But just based on that invitation alone, I didn't take the opportunity and call Mr. DeLorean.
		But he is apparently prepared to accept some technology, I guess, that Tom has designed for an automobile Mr. DeLorean's working on.
		Anyway, Tom Kasner is about to be here.
		Now, as a child, Tom Kasner was fascinated by mechanisms and rockets, my kind of guy.
		He attended a technical high school and then joined IBM Endcott in the electronic technician apprentice program after about two years.
		He entered Harper College in Binghamton, New York during the period.
		From 59 to 63, he designed and patented, listen to this, IBM's Hydropad Drill Machine Logic, Electronics and Optics.
		The machines have drilled all holes in IBM circuit boards worldwide to date.
		Can you imagine that?
		The kind of holes that are drilled for IBM have to be, of course, very precise.
		And so he invented the technology that does this even till this very day.
		While at Bendic's Intilla Ignition Lab, he refined a rocket ignition that went to the moon on the LEMS.
		He's been involved in several company startups, acting as chief engineer and vice president of engineering.
		Later, he began work as a freelance consultant working on military radar, nuclear survivable power supplies, cryogenics, reliability studies, and power supplies.
		In 1986, he contracted with a military contractor in Minnesota and designed a 1 million watt power supply for the Star Wars program and built a 150 kilowatt section of it before Congress canceled Star Wars.
		Oh, yeah, that's right.
		They threw water on all that.
		Right?
		Well, sort of.
		At this point, he came to the realization that his experience, education, and background qualified him to design and build the world's first true solar sports car, the Mag 1.
		After five years, he was advised by a business associate to incorporate and capitalize on the core invention in there.
		That would be the Hydrister, the Hydrister, and we're going to get an explanation of that shortly.
		Now, again, Hurricane Ivan down to 910 millibars is one of the biggest, baddest hurricanes in all of history, down at 910 millibars.
		This thing is gigantic.
		And if you want to see how really, really big it is, I just changed my webcam photo to a satellite view of Ivan.
		The hole is, you know, the eye of Ivan is so well-defined and so exactly round and so devoid of anything in the middle that you can look down through the eye and see ocean.
		It's such a powerful storm, it's hard to imagine.
		And of course, it's bearing down now on an island on the Cayman Islands.
		Pray for the people in the Cayman Islands.
		165 miles an hour and still building.
		They're really going to need your prayers.
		In a moment, Tom Casimir, stay right where you are.
		How quickly news moves.
		All right, Ramona just grabbed this for me from CNN.
		It says, North Korea cloud, not a nuclear blast.
		Seoul, South Korea.
		A large cloud that appeared over North Korea in satellite images several days ago was not the result of a nuclear explosion, according to U.S. officials.
		South Korea's news agency is reporting that a huge explosion shook North Korea's northernmost province on Thursday, producing, get this, a mushroom cloud over two miles wide.
		So as a quick follow-up to what I said, it appears it's not a nuclear blast, but there is a crater there and a two-mile-wide something that happened.
		So we just don't know at this point, and I'll try and keep you informed.
		Here is Tom Casmer.
		Tom, welcome to the program.
		Thank you, Laura.
		Would you classify yourself as an inventor?
		Would that be appropriate?
unidentified		Well, I've been calling myself that for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right, so an inventor.
		You've invented something called the hydrister, and I guess we're going to talk about that in a moment.
		But again, I had an invitation to call, you know, Mr. DeLorean and talk about you.
		And I was told that Mr. DeLorean is prepared to accept or incorporate something that you have invented in a car design that he's got coming up or what?
unidentified		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		It is a form of the hydrister, which will connect the engine to the wheels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It'll connect the engine to the wheels.
unidentified		And it'll do so in a variable manner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy, have we got a bad phone connection here, Tom?
		Maybe it'll be a little bit.
		Yeah, you're going to have to stay right into that phone.
		It's not a good one.
		Where are you located?
unidentified		Well, currently I'm in a Best Western Hotel in Sturbridge Mass at the courtesy of the management here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no kidding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I'm traveling, and I had to find someplace to call you from the landline.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		Okay.
		Well, that's cool.
		We'll get by with it.
		Can you tell, remembering now, this audience is not made up of engineers.
		Is there a way to explain to non-engineers what a hydristor is?
unidentified		I will make my best effort.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay.
		The hydristor is based on what is called a dual-pressure-balanced vane pump.
		The kind you would find, for example, in the power steering pump of a car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		There is a rotor with radially moving vanes that go in and out as the rotor turns, and the design of the power steering pump is something that would have like an elliptical chamber in it.
unidentified		So as the rotor and vanes turn, the vanes will track the elliptical surface of the hole in this housing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, you might be losing me.
		Or I'm getting lost here.
		I'm still not grasping what it is.
		Okay, this word is made up from two words, right?
unidentified		Correct.
unidentified		I made the word up from hydraulic and transistor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so you made the word up.
		I did.
		So half of it's transistor, and I know what the function of a transistor, or the various functions, I guess, are.
		And I'm trying to put it together with the rest.
		So it's a transistor and what?
unidentified		A hydraulic for the function of moving fluid around.
		And transistor for the function of controlling the movement.
		In other words, with a transistor, a regular electrical transistor, you can have several cases.
		You can have it on or off like a switch, which happens in computer logic.
		Or you can have the transistor turn on to varying degrees, kind of like slipping a clutch in a car to hold a car on the hilt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so what you've invented then controls by nature the hydraulics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what we're talking about?
unidentified		That's correct.
unidentified		It enables you to control a hydraulic, a variable, adjustable hydraulic connection between, let's say, a turning shaft and another shaft which you would like to control the movement of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Think of it as a lever in a fulcrum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And how is Mr. DeLorean going to use it?
		And can you tell us anything about his plans, by the way, for a new car while we're at it?
unidentified		Well, he hasn't shared a lot of that with me, and I don't feel that I should overly question him.
		He's kind of built one car and made 7,700 examples of it, and I respect his ability.
		I hope he wants to do it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he's getting older, but he's going to do it again, huh?
unidentified		Sharp as a tack.
		He called me after he had read my three existing patents from front to back.
		The third patent is 87 pages long, most of which I wrote.
		And he had an immediate grasp of the hydrister.
		So he may be a few years older than I am, but I'll tell you, he is really a one-sharp individual.
		Very sharp.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's fascinating that he's going to take off and do it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, you've worked in a lot of areas, rockets, for example, and you actually designed something that went to the moon on the LEMS?
unidentified		That had to do with a circuit that I was presented with while I was at Fendix as a summer student.
		And there were something like 38 components in that circuit.
		And because of the need to have the circuit operate at a very cold temperature, about 160 degrees centigrade below zero, the circuit would not function and it wouldn't start the rocket, therefore.
		So I was able to cut it down to seven components, and it would start at 190 degrees below zero.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Centigrade.
		Centigrade.
		Which is, I guess, exactly what they need for space, the vacuum and the cold of space, huh?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how do you get to the position where you're doing that kind of work?
		I mean, that's wild stuff.
		Were you actually designing for that, or did you happen to be designing something that fitted that application, you know, fit that application?
unidentified		Right.
		The reason I got the summer job at Fenix is that at the time I was the proud owner of a brand new Corvette Sport Window Coop.
		And in the businesses I was involved in, I was able to access the machine shop and all that sort of thing.
		I had been working on the testing of a brand new invention from General Electric in Auburn, New York called the SCR, the Silicon Control Rectifier.
		This is 1962.
		And I tickered around with the idea of it, and I came up with the capacitive discharge engine system on my own.
		And I also didn't like the problems associated with the mechanical points in a car.
		So I concepted and built a mechanical trigger, similar to what they have today in cars.
		Where there's no points, but it's a mechanical impulse trigger with a distributor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		So I had built all this, and I had it on my Corvette.
		Then I went up for the summer job, and I ended up in the parking lot with Dr. Morris, the Ph.D. physicist who headed the lab.
		And I showed him what I was working on, and I was hired on the spot.
		So somewhere, later on this summer, I was presented with this idea because I always got myself in a situation where I said I could do it.
		In other words, when presented with a job, no matter how tough it was, I took a look at it and I said, I can do this.
		You know, kind of like the little engine that could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And I just stayed at it and stayed at it until I finally accomplished something.
unidentified		I hadn't always been successful, but with most of the things I've taken on, it's for that sort of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it from you, this probably began as a child.
		Most people who are inventors are doers of different things, and so it must have started as a child.
		I mean, I'm sure you were ripping stuff apart as a kid, weren't you?
unidentified		I had an uncle who had all sorts of goodies in his basement.
		Clocks and radios and all that sort of thing.
		I would talk him out of something and carry it to my mother's house about three miles away.
		And I would go out back at the chicken coop, which was no longer occupied by the chickens.
		And I had my lab set up, and I would work on things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your lab, huh?
		Really?
		No large explosions and craters, I think.
unidentified		No, no, no.
unidentified		Uh-uh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You have a number of ideas about, and since you've done so much that's been successful, you're really particularly worthy of asking this.
		The sun is probably the source of most, one way or the other, of most of the energy on Earth.
		And we're running real short of energy on Earth right now, Tom.
		Do you have some thoughts on capturing the sun's energy to a greater degree than we do now?
		And we really, either we get energy pretty soon or the world's in desperate straits.
unidentified		I do have, and I think I see another way to approach this.
		Actually, the sun puts heat in the air as well as daylight during the day.
		It's visible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very hard to hear, Tony.
unidentified		The sun puts heat into the air.
unidentified		Heats the air up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And, of course, that doesn't go away at night.
		It reduces a little bit the temperature because the heat radiates off into space.
		However, there's a lot of heat contained in the air.
		Now, there are commercial systems available called Freon heat pumps.
		And a Freon heat pump is a form of air conditioner which can be used to capture low-grade heat and direct it to a place of your choosing so you can do something with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you capture the heat from the air?
unidentified		Well, you would have a radiator which exchanges the energy from the air into a very cold freon.
		It warms up the freon, which then is circulated into a pump.
		The freon is compressed, and the compressed freon gets very hot because the same quantity of heat is forced into a much smaller volume and the temperature goes up.
		Sort of the basic nature of physics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Tom, you're getting very hard to hear.
		I tell you, this phone line, the connection that we've got to this motel is not good.
		We may want to consider setting up another date to do this interview.
		And it's just that the average person is not going to be able to hear what you're saying very well because I can barely hear it.
		I'm not sure what's wrong.
		I think it's maybe the motel's phone line.
		Where do you live, Tom, normally?
		I mean, where are you normally when you're not out at a motel somewhere?
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I live in Binghamton, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Oh, okay.
		That got stronger.
		So we'll kind of monitor this phone line and see what happens here, but I'm a little concerned about it.
		So anyway, is there enough heat in the atmosphere to efficiently heat, and I guess that's the key word here, is the amount of efficiency and translation of heat you can get to energy, right?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Commercial heat pumps are used to replace, for example, electric heat in a home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Now, during a typical December of the Northeast, you might have a cost of about $900 to heat the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, right?
unidentified		You can install a heat pump and cut that bill to $300 for the same level of coldness and the heat in the house that you'd like.
		Okay.
		So that's called a cold heat performance or a COP or a gain.
		And commercial heat pumps will give you a gain up to three times.
		Now, in a commercial heat pump, there is an element called an expansion valve, which really amounts to a tiny hole or orifice.
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Listen, hold on.
		We're here at the bottom of the hour.
		And so just hang tough for a second, and we'll be right back.
		Only in America do you get phone connections like this, actually?
		So we're going to have to talk with Tom and redial the number and see if we can get it connected properly or something.
		It may be the motel's phone.
unidentified		Only in America.
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		A little opportunity, yeah, for a classy girl like you fall for a poor boy like me.
		One, three.
		In America, I had a kid who's watching cars.
		I don't know why, baby, when you need a smile to look no shadows, there's no way to come to me.
		Baby, you'll see.
		I'm too pretty, baby.
		I'm gonna help you through the night.
		I'm too pretty, mama.
		Who's always left to me?
		What I do?
		Who's gonna love you, love you?
		Who's gonna love you?
		Oh, there's then she'll ask me, I'm prepared that one or two, Th sent sent me.
		Take her first.
		I had to sit together like this.
		He rushed in the revealed picture hut.
		Woo!
		Do let me get closer, there's no doubt that I won't wait for you.
		I just don't try that out.
		I jack the w wording, get Mommy the nib, get Mommy, get Mommy!
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed, and we could not get a good line with Tom Casmer, so we're going to reschedule the interview, and we're going to do some open lines.
		We just called back and had actually the worst line than we had the first time.
		So I guess maybe we'll work on the switchboard there or something.
		I don't know.
		Anyway, we'll reschedule that interview.
		In the meantime, you know what we'll do?
		We'll talk.
		That's right.
		Open lines.
		You have to be, when you're a talk show host, you have to be somewhat able to proceed with anything that comes up.
		And I am, so we'll do it.
		A South Florida businessman says he's going to try to reduce the strength of Hurricane Ivan.
		By the way, have you seen the webcam picture of Ivan?
		Holy smokes.
		That's just a monster.
		Now, I know I'm a weather nut, and I spend a lot of time watching the tropical updates at 50 minutes past the hour on the weather channel.
		I'm just nutty like that, but this one's incredible.
		Incredible.
		And so here's this businessman who says he's going to try to reduce the strength of Hurricane Ivan.
		Get this, folks, by flying a Boeing 747 into the edge of the hurricane and dumping thousands of pounds of an absorbent material into Ivan.
		Peter Cordani of Jupiter, I guess Jupiter, Florida, plans to try to knock the storm down by one or maybe two categories by dropping tons of powder that absorbs 3,000 to 4,000 times its own weight.
		So they're going to try and absorb it away.
		He's chief operating officer of Dynomat, a company that sells environmental absorbient products such as mats for mechanics.
		He believes his product, SK-1000, would cause a shearing action and a 15-degree cooling of the storm.
		Isn't that interesting?
		He's been working on his plan for five years now, has assembled a team of experts, including two former astronauts, Moonwalker Edgar Mitchell, really, and Scott McLeod, who's tested the lunar module.
		Wow.
		And then I got this, and I thought this would be worth our discussion, perhaps, a little bit.
		It was just an email from a listener, but it hit home.
		Dear Art, first it was The Day After Tomorrow, our movie, right?
		The Day After Tomorrow about climate change.
		Then Suspect Zero about technical remote viewing.
		And you know who's in that, right?
		Of course, at Dames.
		And now the upcoming White Noise starring Michael Keaton about EVP, electronic voice phenomena.
		Have you heard about that movie?
		It's called White Noise, and it's about EVP.
		And Robert says, you know, I've got the impression that a lot of producers out there are looking at what's popular on Coast to Coast AM and then decide what their next move ought to be.
		And, well, it's kind of true, isn't it, that what gets discussed on this program inevitably lately seems to show up on the big screen.
		He's right.
		The day after tomorrow.
		We've been on that for years and no less on it right now, by the way.
		Suspect Zero, Adams, big movie, right?
		And it is a big movie, incidentally.
		And now, White Noise, which is about electronic voice phenomena.
		As you know, I have guests all the time who bring recordings to us that, and I've listened very carefully, and these recordings are too good not to be the real McCoy.
		They are the real McCoy.
		These are voices from somewhere else.
		Dare I say the other side?
		Well, my guests do, and I think it probably is the other side, but it could be another dimension.
		It could be a lot of things, but it does seem like it's the, to me, it's the voice of the dead we're hearing.
		And now, a movie called White Noise about the voice of the dead.
		Voice us, make it plural.
		We'll be right back.
		Open lines, coming right up.
		anything you want to talk about fair game.
		you Boy, I don't know.
		New York Times, atomic activity in North Korea raises concerns.
		Washington, September 11th.
		President Bush and his top advisors have received intelligence reports in recent days describing a confusing series of actions by North Korea that some experts believe could indicate the country is preparing to conduct its first test explosion of a nuclear weapon.
		So, you know, this explosion, I know they're saying non-nuclear, but you put that together with the New York Times story here, and you've got to wonder, I wonder what they've done, or did they have some awful, horrible accident there?
		By the way, somebody says, hey, all right, your webcam shows a toad.
		Well, it did show a toad.
		Now it shows, if it's caught up, the latest satellite photograph of Ivan.
	This is an incredible, incredible hurricane.
	So check it out.
	That's all the way from the satellite.
	It gives you kind of a humbling feeling when you look at the size of this god-forsaken monster storm.
	And you look at the land, and You look at the storm and you look at the land and you say, Holy mackerel, this thing's about to hit the caimans, which are virtually a dot compared to any of what you're seeing there.
	Can you even imagine being on an island and having something like that bearing down on you?
	Holy mackerel.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Art, first time caller, profound honor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		It's an honor to have you here.
		Where are you?
unidentified		This is Bob in Cottage Grove, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Just a thought that the first episode of Dead Like Me was found by accident, and as I was watching it, I thought there's enough firemen, ambulance attendants, nurses, and policemen that'll probably make the thing go regardless of who else likes it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, it's an incredible program.
		I love it.
		I absolutely love it.
		So you've been watching since number one?
unidentified		Yes, yeah.
unidentified		I'm hooked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, you know, you can imagine then how I felt.
		You know, I kind of was in awe.
		It's probably not good for me to be in awe of those I interview, but I couldn't help it.
		I mean, she's really something else in that program.
unidentified		The sleeper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's going to be a monster, and more and more people are going to catch on to what you watch.
unidentified		I'm glad it's coming out on DVD.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, buddy.
		Take care.
		Yes, indeed.
		Just an amazing, amazing concept.
		You know, the whole conceptual thing about Dead Like Me is so different.
		So very different and intriguing.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, how are you doing?
		Pretty well, sir.
		Where are you?
unidentified		This is Dustin in Ontario listening on AM800 together with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I just want to ask you, why did you get into radio?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Say the question again.
		Did you say why?
		Yeah.
		Why did I get into radio?
		All right.
		If your radio's on in the background, turn it off.
		That's a hard question.
		I thought you were going to say, how did you get in?
		Why did I get into radio?
		Oh, God.
		I don't know.
		It's like my whole life was radio, sir, from the moment I was old enough to start ripping stuff apart, you know, electronics and stuff.
		It's like my whole life was radio.
		And my whole life has been radio.
		So I don't know how to answer that.
		It's like I couldn't have done anything else.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I'm sorry, that's going to have to serve as an answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope it's a satisfactory one to you.
		But now that I go back in my life and I look, I couldn't have done anything else.
		I have been so wrapped into every single aspect of radio, both the electronic side and the mic side, every side of radio.
		I've just been immersed in it all my life.
		And I can't even imagine doing anything else.
		So it's not like I grew up, you know, and got to a certain age and said, Will, I think I'll go into radio.
		It was already decided.
		You know, it was just already happening.
		So that's almost impossible to answer the why of it.
		International line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty well, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		James.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program, and what's up?
unidentified		Okay, well, considering Ivan and all these hurricanes that are recently in the news, I was thinking that maybe HARP had something to do with it.
unidentified		And if it hadn't, maybe there's a way to use HARP to defuse these hurricanes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a million questions in this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that HAARP is a weather control mechanism?
unidentified		I think it has the power to do things of that nature.
unidentified		But I don't know how HARP works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, they've kind of admitted that.
		So, you know, that one possible aspect of it might be weather control.
		So I wonder if they try.
		I wonder with something this catastrophic, like Ivan, Category 5, headed for somewhere in the U.S., and if it hit as strong as it is right now, there would be a real catastrophe, sir.
		So this would be considered emergency conditions, I would think.
unidentified		It would be a good testing ground to see if they could stop it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, right.
		But it's going to go somewhere, and I wonder if they could actually cause it to lessen in intensity or turn it toward some other unlucky people.
		What would they do?
unidentified		Maybe they can just turn it back to the sea or wherever, you know, or some.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about make it go around in circles until it poops out?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what, actually, we're laughing at that, but that might be the thing to do because, you see, hurricanes are a way of the Earth balancing out some heat problems that it has.
		That's what hurricanes actually do.
		They balance things out.
		So it's like if you stopped them, you'd be screwing, excuse me, you'd be fooling with Mother Nature in ways that you ought not, perhaps.
		But making it go round and round and round in the ocean until it pooped out, that might work.
unidentified		Well, with any luck, I'd hope that somebody might give it a try to diffuse some of this because it's causing more than enough havoc.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, diffusing it might be fooling with Mother Nature because then you wouldn't have that balance achieved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But running it around in circles, that might work.
unidentified		Maybe create a field of some kind that would make it do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's a very interesting thought.
		And by the way, I certainly cannot say that it's harp, but there is a mysterious signal that's been appearing in the 7 megahertz region, about 72.30, actually.
		And it's a strange signal.
		Again, I'm not suggesting it's harp, but it's harp-like in some ways.
		Instead of being a single carrier, for those of you who follow this kind of thing, it's several signals appearing on this frequency.
		And harp indeed has been very active.
		We've been recording it.
		You should hear, you should hear some of the weird sounds.
		I'm sorry I don't have a recorded bit of harp here for you, but boy, it makes some odd sounds.
		I'll tell you what, I'll do that.
		I'll record harp for you and bring it in.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, all right.
unidentified		It's Nancy calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Nancy.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Central Massachusetts right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		So I was wondering, had you made it through all of Dad's QSL cards?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Say that again?
unidentified		I sent you the package of dad's old cards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God, yes.
		Oh, my God.
		Yes.
		I've got them.
		They're incredible.
		And you know what?
		I'm not so sure that you should have let go of those.
		Some of those are historic, and I think they may belong, you know, like with the ARRL or some organization that would, you know, some of them are so old and so rare that they ought to be preserved by more than just an individual like me.
unidentified		Well, I couldn't think of anybody else better to send them to than to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Believe me, I'm honored.
		Very honored.
		But some of those, and what she sent is her dad's, it was your dad, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your dad's QSL cards.
		It goes back to sort of the beginning of radio.
		I mean, some of these were back to about the Spark days.
		And these are cards that ham radio operators send each other to confirm a contact or even just hearing a station.
		And some of these are absolutely historic, and this young lady sent them to me.
		So I'm honored.
		But again, I may end up giving some of them to somebody who will preserve them in a museum.
unidentified		That would be fine, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So thank you for sending them, but I don't know.
		I want to discourage people from sending keepsakes.
		Anyway, thank you.
		Anything else?
unidentified		Well, I wanted to talk about two instances that happened in the past and see what you think about them.
		Back in the, it was either the late fall of 97 or the spring of 98, I was standing in the kitchen up at the house and looking out the back window into a field, and I saw these men all in black going into the corner of the field, and they had dug up something.
		Really?
		Yep.
		They had it in a black box.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		They carried it across the field, back over to all black vehicles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		There were black vans and black SUVs and left.
		And after that, I went outside and I asked neighbors, I said, did you see those people?
		Right.
		And it was like, no.
		Now, that was strange.
		I have no idea what they dug up.
		I have no idea who they were.
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you know, you should have had a camera and taken a picture of, I mean, it's not everyday men in black dig something up near you and take it away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		No, it's not.
		And then the other instance was back probably in 75, I want to say, that there was a prototype system located in Berlin, Massachusetts that developed, it was a hovercraft.
		It was a small unit.
		It looked like it had girders on it.
		It pulsated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something that would carry a person?
unidentified		No, smaller than that.
unidentified		Probably the size of a large screen TV set.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And it could hover.
		It covered across, I'd say maybe 300 units, you know, and above where they built Cinderbox.
		Hovered there and then went back.
		And now that place is no longer there.
		But they were a prototype place that developed things for different companies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's pretty weird, all right.
		Thank you very, very much.
		And again, thank you for sending all of that.
		And she sent actually more than that.
		Other mementos from her father's amateur radio station.
		It was pretty incredible.
		And so I'll be a good care person for them until I find a museum.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there, hi.
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Long time no speak.
unidentified		Wow, I got through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you are through.
unidentified		Thank you.
		I have the phenomenon in my head that's going on, which is it's voices in my head, but it's not, it's my actual thoughts, and it's verbalized.
		You have thoughts in my conscience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have thoughts in your head.
unidentified		But I mean, it's not, it's actually my own thoughts.
unidentified		I can program it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're all allowed to have our own thoughts, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you didn't have thoughts, who would you be?
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		I understand that, but I mean, it's audible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean out loud?
unidentified		Well, yeah, and if I don't think about it, it doesn't occur, but it's there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		Your thoughts are being verbalized outside your head, out loud.
		Does anybody hear them but you?
unidentified		Well, no, of course not.
unidentified		I don't have speakers attached to my head, if that's what you mean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it sounds like a cartoon with a caption that comes out of the top of your head.
unidentified		Well, I've talked to another talkshost about this, and he said it's normal, but it's not my conscience.
		It's not something that says right or wrong.
		I can control it.
		I can make it erotic, if you know what I mean.
		I haven't used that in a while, but it's something that people say to me is normal, but I don't think it's normal.
		I don't think...
		Dr. Frankenstein for that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Marty Feldman.
		God rest his soul.
		Well, I mean, I just, I don't think I am.
		I just like to think that other people are like me, but on the other hand, you know, my specialness is, you know, different.
		But I just, I, yes.
		The thing is, I'm an insomniac naturally, you know, whether chemicals are involved or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean many times chemicals are involved?
unidentified		Well, they have been involved in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll read between the lines here, being honest.
unidentified		Well, so to speak, or tweak.
		No, I've engaged in that activity, but it's been months and months.
		And it may be a bypass of that, but because I just don't know what it is.
		None of your perfectly normal callers have said anything about this, because I'd like to think that it's a normal occurrence, but I guess it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm still not totally clear on what's happening here.
		You say...
		Most people can.
		It's called an imagination.
unidentified		Right, and daydreaming, but it's not Audible in your head.
		I mean, it's audible 24-7.
		It's just that if there's background noise, I can't really hear it, but it's there.
		Constantly.
		And I'd like to think I'm normal, but I just, you know, if anything else, just inspire one of your open-minded callers and your open lines to expound upon this or expand or whatever, because I'd like to think it's something that other people experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard sirens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard sirens.
unidentified		Oh, I live in Oceanside, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they coming?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're not coming to get you anything.
unidentified		No, they're coming to take me away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ha ha.
unidentified		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what it was.
		Oh, you've got your lyrics down, that's for sure.
		Remember that?
		They're coming to take me away.
		Ha ha.
		Well, be careful who you tell about the voices, would be my advice, or they will be coming to get you.
		As far as being abnormal, I don't know.
		I mean, you were just basically telling me you could control your own thoughts.
		That's not so abnormal.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		Let me know.
		Everything's all right.
		I'm hooked on a feeling.
		I'm high on believing.
		That you're in love with me.
		It's as sweet as candy.
		It's tasty, it's on my mind.
		Girl, you got me thirsty.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		We're in Open Lines.
		You know, I'm curious, how many of you believe in an afterlife?
		Next week, I'm going to be interviewing one of the best afterlife guests anybody's ever had.
		And I've had some really, really good ones.
		I've had, there was a young lady I had on who I will never forget for as long as I live.
		She came on this program and gave us a graphic description of her after-death experience.
		And she did, in fact, clinically die.
		Oh, it was awful.
		Anyway, she gave us a description that it's just one of those things that chills you and stands the hair up on the back of your neck.
		And she gave one of those.
		And we've got another one coming up next Sunday.
		And in fact, it's the same physician who's bringing this guest to us.
		These stories are amazing.
		And, you know, they're so consistent with people who die.
		Not all, but when we do get the stories, they're all consistent with each other.
		This one was just particularly chilling.
		I know some of you recall.
unidentified		I know some of you recall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you you you All right, we're in open line.
		So if you have something of some cosmic importance that you would like to share with everybody, those are the relevant numbers.
		Our guest tonight, unfortunately, is going to have to be rescheduled.
		We could not get a good phone connection.
		Which would launch me on another one of my tirades.
		Actually, it was not a cell connection in this case.
		It was like a hotel connection.
		But I'm not so sure that we did well breaking up the phone companies.
		I've had a lot of concern about that lately.
		We used to have such nice connections.
		Everybody had plug-in telephones.
		It was a good world for a talk show host.
		And then they invented cell phones.
		And then they broke up the phone company.
		I don't know if it was in that order.
		But either way, all of this happened and contributed to a general deterioration.
		And you can't hear the pin drop anymore.
		Wild Carline, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
		Hi.
		This is Mike from Philadelphia, WPHT.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Mike.
unidentified		Yes.
		Okay.
		One of the world's top volcano experts, Professor McGuire from London, is saying that the Yellowstone super volcano probably will be going off soon and it will kill everything within 500 or 600 miles of it.
		So I think it's extremely important we try to find out when.
		So I just wonder if you could ask Major Ed Bames and maybe eight or ten other remote viewers and psychics their best estimate as to when so we could possibly try to save millions of lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've heard that if it did go off, if Yellowstone were to erupt the way it once did, that the number of people dead would be, as you suggest, hundreds of miles and millions of people.
		And that's a chilly little subject.
		But yeah, sure, it's a perfect subject for a remote viewer.
unidentified		Yeah, so if you're going to ask a consensus of them, not only just Ed Vanes, but Steven Schwartz and a few others that you could get a hold of and other psychics, if people could know when, you know, that might be a big help in saving millions of lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now let me ask you a question.
		If I got four out of five of these remote viewers, let's say, to say, oh my God, that guy's right.
		It's going to go.
		We see it.
		What would you do?
unidentified		Well, if I live with them there, I'll take a vacation for a few weeks or a month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, the point is, you'd get out of Dodge.
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
		And then the others could store up water and food in case they get locked in by ashes, you know, whatever, that would lock them in.
		Then they have enough water and food and batteries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Buried in the ashes like the victims of Pompeii.
		Yes, all right.
		Yes, I've been hearing a number of things about Yellowstone, but the fact is, of course, we don't know when it's really going to go, do we?
		I suppose that would be the job of a visionary or a remote viewer.
		I should also, of course, and I would invite you, if you want to reminisce about 9-11, I wouldn't stop you from doing that this morning.
		However, I haven't said much about it yet, and I'll tell you why.
		I think that it's worth a small discussion, perhaps, between us.
		What do you think?
		It is the anniversary of 9-11, or it was 14 minutes ago.
		And I saw the coverage on TV today.
		I've seen the pieces on CNN today of the airplanes going into the building.
		And in some ways, it's still such a traumatic event for me, and I think for all of you.
		I don't know.
		I'd like you to share this with me.
		Is it true of you?
		When you saw these things, I turned away from it.
		I remember following every horrid incident, instant of it, as it went on in New York and the Pentagon.
		And I remember being glued to it, and for days and days, I did not leave that coverage.
		But now, years later, for some reason, I can't get back into it.
		It's such a completely emotional issue for me that I can't review it.
		It's almost too painful to review.
		I wonder how the rest of you feel.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, this is Steve from Windsor, Ontario.
unidentified		I'm listening on CKLW also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Steve.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad to have you.
unidentified		Okay, I'm not very happy with what's going on with SETI right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		SETI?
		Oh, SETI, SETI, yes.
		Let's talk about that.
unidentified		We get a story from SETI that if they get a signal in the helium-hydrogen band, that it's more than likely going to be extraterrestrial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's correct.
unidentified		Now, all of a sudden...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What SETI has said is that frequency would be the most likely kind of marker frequency that an alien might use because everybody looks at it.
		That's what they've said.
		It's really a likely frequency an alien might use.
		Right.
unidentified		Now, all of a sudden, they find a signal coming from that frequency.
unidentified		And they start, somebody releases the information about it, and suddenly they're making excuses as to why this signal can't be extraterrestrial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I know.
		I've been reading every word.
unidentified		I don't understand where the thinkers have gone from SETI.
		How hard would it be if there's an intelligent civilization out there that they could put a transmitter somewhere else that might be moving at the speed that that thing's moving at away from, like they say, it's moving something like 10,000 miles per hour in one direction and then suddenly shifting.
		How hard would that be to put a radio transmitter up on top of another planet or on a moon that might be circling them at that speed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		You're right, though, when you say that they're sort of throwing everything up, every red herring they can, about what else it might be.
		But then if you read the stories, at the same time they say, you know, but it might be.
		They're saying that.
		It might be.
unidentified		And they've been listening to it for a year and a half or something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And word would get out right away, huh?
unidentified		I'm not very happy.
unidentified		I think they're trying to pull the wool up for our eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was found, ostensibly it was said, by a SETI at home person.
		Except it wasn't just one person.
		It was repetitive several times.
		And they're couching the whole thing in a whole lot of, let's not get too excited about this yet, but.
unidentified		I just don't understand why they're making excuses.
unidentified		I mean, there are so many possibilities of why that signal could be moving the way it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite true.
		All of it quite true.
		This is fascinating.
		I don't know if you've been following the SETI story, but I've mentioned it.
		In fact, I certainly read the story last week and knew about it the prior week and read a little something.
		But yes, they have detected a signal, and then they're sort of saying, well, no, it could be this, or it could be internal electronics in the telescope, some little noise generated in the telescope, or a lot of things.
		But an awful lot of people have now detected it.
		It's been, what, two or three times, and they're looking for six times before they declare genuine excitement.
		It's a story worth following.
		And with regard to, oh, Art, we'll get the information out right away, which is what Seth always told me, right?
		It's not exactly, or I guess Seth would argue, yes, it is.
		It's happening that way.
		See, they're running stories on it.
		Yes, but what kind of stories?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, radio beautifully going off.
		Art, this is Jason.
		I'm in Los Angeles, and I'm calling from the mighty...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course.
unidentified		Welcome.
		Art, just before I ask you to update me on something, and I will comment on the trauma too.
		You know, something interesting you might enjoy.
		I worked on Contact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the movie Contact?
unidentified		On the special effects, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're kidding.
unidentified		No, I'm completely serious.
unidentified		It was my first job working for a division of Sony Take.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, that is like about one of my favorite movies, as you well know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Incredible motion picture, yes.
unidentified		And it was a really interesting experience working on it, I have to say.
unidentified		Very, very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was the atmosphere like?
unidentified		The atmosphere?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, it was charged with electricity because at that point in time, it was still really early in the effects business.
		Sony had just started this big digital entity, and people were working around the clock.
		There were people from all over the world working on this movie.
		And it was great for me because I used to get to watch the dailies on one of the first high-def television sets I ever saw.
		And they would play back planet modeling and stuff.
		It was very, very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I love that movie.
unidentified		It was great.
unidentified		And I got to work in Unix, which I really wanted to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was fabulous.
unidentified		I really enjoyed it.
unidentified		Thought you'd like to know about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		You know what?
		I will tell you about trauma, but before you go, I would like you to tell me what's going on with the current from the antenna.
		And I'll just say about today, I felt really down and depressed.
		I'm in L.A. I'm involved in some litigation.
		I'm in Discovery.
		You probably have an idea what that's like.
		It's pretty intense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And so I'm sitting here, and it was kind of interesting that you picked up my call.
unidentified		I was a little surprised because I was mindlessly dialing as I was doing research on the Internet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mindlessly dialing.
unidentified		Well, I had a pattern in my head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I've got a lot of information on the antenna, and not a lot, not as much as I ought to.
		For example, we just went through terrible storms here in the desert tonight.
		I was afraid to put on the headphones when I first came on the program.
		Yeah, oh, yeah, we had lightning flying everywhere.
		You know, really a wild night.
		And my antenna, of course, is grounded out for fear of a bolt coming right in here to the room.
		No kidding.
		But even under normal time, sir, there remains voltage unexplained on my antenna, a very significant, large amount of voltage, enough to knock you right on your butt.
		And we're going to explore that.
		I've got to get the right kind of instruments here and so on and so forth.
		But we're going to look into that.
		And trust me, I'll keep you informed.
unidentified		Art, do you think that you found an over-unity device in your own backyard?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's pretty laughable, isn't it?
unidentified		Not really.
		I think maybe you've stumbled onto something.
		I think you're on the right track.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of people approach me and they ask me exactly that.
		And look, I don't know if there's enough current to really support anything or if I've stumbled into something that is sort of a partial thing and maybe there's a much more efficient way to extract energy from the atmosphere with some variation of what I'm doing.
		But what I have, it proves something.
		I don't know what.
unidentified		Well, figure out how to capture it.
unidentified		I mean, isn't that going to be the key?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's one of the goals.
		But figuring out what it is and where it's coming from is like ahead of everything for me.
		I want to know where it's coming from.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		Just like you, I would too.
		Thanks for updating me on that.
		Let me just say that I felt blue and sad all day long.
		And, you know, my mind kept going back to 9-11.
		And it really, really did have an impact.
		And I truly believe that there's a group psychological aspect to the whole country feeling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there's something about it.
		But when I watched the coverage and the airplanes going into the buildings on CNN earlier today, it's like I could only take about a minute of it.
		And I said, you know, this is too much.
		And so I'm just curious whether other people feel that way.
unidentified		Kind of like it's so emotional that when you see it, it's like, I was only listening to the radio because I was working, but even that was, it's too evocative of I just keep going back to that day, that morning when I heard about it from a call from a girlfriend of mine.
		And it was horrifying.
		She was horrified, and it just set me into it.
		And I saw it when the second plane went in.
		And it was just, it's terrible.
		I mean, it's a terrible, terrible thing.
		And it's a very, very sad day to pass through it.
		But maybe it'll make us stronger by going through it every day, one step forward in the future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I very much appreciate your call.
unidentified		Thank you very much for taking me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, we should talk, perhaps we should talk, about the current political situation, in a sense.
		To me, it looks like Kerry's campaign is imploding.
		I wonder if you have that same sense.
		And he's campaigning on these war records and all the rest of it when, you know, we were in a discussion last night about this, and he's kind of imploding because he doesn't have much of a message.
		Kerry doesn't seem to have much of a message.
		Anyway, one that seems to be resonating with the people.
		And I wonder why he's not doing more of an anti-war campaign.
		I wonder why he's not challenging the president in that specific arena.
		Instead of arguing about old military records, which I don't think is going to move the American people one way or the other in the end, you've got to wonder why he hasn't made it about the war.
		Unless he's supportive of the war.
		Anyway, watching the whole campaign unfold in front of our eyes is kind of interesting.
		And watching what's going on right now is kind of interesting.
		I'm very much interested in politics, but not particularly interested in either one of the candidates to be not on fire about either one of the candidates.
		I love political elections where I can really be on fire about a candidate.
		But in this particular election, I'm just not on fire either way.
		I'm sort of sitting back and watching it in a kind of a detached way.
		International line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm very well, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you?
unidentified		Oh, good.
unidentified		I was wondering, has Harlot made an appearance since October 23rd, 1997?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has Harp?
unidentified		Harlot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Harlot.
		Oh, Harlet.
		Oh, my God.
		That's an old show.
		I have not talked with Harlotte since the last program we did.
unidentified		And she has not been in contact with you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, she has not been in contact with me.
		And I don't know if I want to be in contact with her.
		That show is honest to God.
		Well, it scared me.
		That show scared me.
		And it should have scared.
		You heard it, obviously, right?
		well or how could you not be scared by a woman who would see her child go to hell do everything she could see to it that i'm trying to find Oh, my God.
		Do you really?
unidentified		Yes.
		So obviously, I would love it.
		And I do love it.
		And I wish you would have her on the air again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let us explore this a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You worship Satan.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who do you consider Satan to be?
unidentified		Someone art that is wonderful and majestic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful and majestic.
unidentified		That is how I do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that the traditional view of Satan is wrong?
		I mean, you obviously must feel that way.
		You know, that Satan is negative, Satan is evil, Satan is everything dark.
unidentified		I don't see him that way.
unidentified		That's the way that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how did Satan get such a bad rap?
unidentified		Well, I guess it must be, you know, Jehovah is an enemy.
		And obviously, he's going to paint a bad rap about the person who follows the devil.
		But I don't really follow Satan in a context that people would consider negative.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you think this whole hell thing is wrong that you know if you're a really You do.
		And how do you picture hell?
		I mean, is hell also misrepresented?
		Many of us, Christians, of course, think of fire and brimstone and heat and torture and eternal torture, and that's hell, you know?
		Eternal awfulness.
unidentified		Well, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So the problem is that people have been misguided by mainstream Christianity.
unidentified		And they have the wrong interpretation of Satan anyhow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do they now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I suppose, given the opportunity to go, if you died, to go to the light or the darkness.
unidentified		I would absolutely go to the darkness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'd go to happily just whistle it along right into the darkness.
unidentified		Art, I am perfectly possessed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like it.
		It sounds like it.
		You obviously recall the Malachi Martin shows to even be using that phrase.
unidentified		I am his biggest fan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure you are.
unidentified		Oh, I am.
unidentified		I like Father Martin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
unidentified		In fact, I speak to priests all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, of course.
		Actually, I'm going to receive my first communion and confirmation pretty soon.
		Yeah?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Into the Devil's Club or whatever?
unidentified		No, into the Catholic Church.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Into the what?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you think that the devil's in the church?
unidentified		Well, maybe not, but I intend to bring him in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Matter of fact, you're going to bring the devil into the church.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to do that.
unidentified		Well, I'm going to try.
unidentified		Oh, man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You hold on, alright?
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		You're just what I need.
		A Satan worshiper.
		What do you think?
		See for real, or is that unadulterated BS that he's been saying for effect?
		Satan worshiper.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		Sweet dreams are made of the years.
		Who am I to disagree?
		I travel the world and the seven seas.
		Everybody is looking for something.
		Some of them want to use you.
		Some of them want to get used by you.
		Some of them want to...
		...and I'm not going to die.
		My body's weak.
		I'm on the run.
		No time to sleep.
		I've got to ride, ride like the wind.
		To be free again.
		And I've got such a long way to go.
		Some of them over to go.
		To make it to the border and make it grow.
		So I ride, time to win.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell.
		We are riding through the night in the midst, actually, in the lightning, in the storms.
		And if you've got something of cosmic importance to get on the air, I've got some phone numbers for you.
unidentified		To talk with Art Bell.
		Call my wildcard line at area code 775-727-1295.
		The first-time caller line is area code 775-727-1222.
		To talk with Art Bell from east of the Rockies, call toll-free at 800-825-5033.
		From west of the Rockies, call 800-618-8255.
		International callers may reach ART by calling your in-country sprint access number, pressing option 5, and dialing toll-free 800-893-0903.
		From coast to coast and worldwide on the internet, this is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, a good night under the circumstances to talk about anything you want to talk about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell, and those are the portals to do it.
unidentified		The End Oh, that's too bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My devil guy didn't stick around, and his line filled right back up again.
		So maybe I'll never know.
		But I suspect that he was not being quite level with us.
		Although there were the aspects that caused me to hold him over, try to hold him over anyway, of the possibility of it.
		Now, the young lady that I had on the program that he was referring to, she was the real McCoy.
		She was so scary, that caused my skin to crawl.
		And many of you, of course, will not remember that program.
		But this is a young lady who is devoted to Lucifer, so devoted to Lucifer that she guaranteed me she would do everything in her power to see to it that her own child went straight to hell.
		I mean, it was, you would have had to have heard it and heard her voice to know how sincere she was.
		It was just, it was almost too much.
		First time caller line, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art, I wanted to play a game of make-believe with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do that every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sure.
unidentified		If you were Vladimir Putin and your country had four terrorist attacks, one of them particularly gruesome, What would you do at this point?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to be absolutely honest with you.
		I think exactly what he's done, and he's basically, I believe, said that Russia will now go after terrorists wherever they are in the world.
		That implies that Russia will take preemptive unilateral action to go into any country in the world where they think there are terrorists and take them out.
unidentified		Well, I say good for them.
unidentified		I think what they could do first and do the world a favor is go in and take out that nuclear reactor before Israel does or we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which nuclear reactor is that?
unidentified		In Iran, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Iran, yes.
		I don't know.
		I suppose that if somebody else doesn't, Israel will get around to it.
unidentified		Yeah, and I think that would cause big problems.
		But I think nobody would mess with Russia at this point, considering what they have gone through.
		And after that, they need to send out special forces units armed with, I don't know, piano wire and take these guys out where they live.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Russians do a lot of that, sir.
		In fact, you may recall that the Russians at various times, challenged to be as awful as they could be, lived up to every minute of it.
		When Russians were kidnapped, the Russian KGB or whatever agency in Russia had a number of the terrorists killed and sent their body parts back to those who were holding Russians for ransom.
		And I think, if I remember correctly, they were promptly released.
		The Russians play real hard, and they've been hit terribly.
		I mean, if you can imagine 200 children and then, what, another hundred and some odd adults destroyed, killed in that attack.
		I believe Russia, and I believe that they will do exactly what they have said they will do, and it could cause a number of international problems.
		It's hard to go marching into another country and just go after people, but that's exactly what they're going to do.
		We live in very dangerous times.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Thanks for taking my call.
		Sure.
		I've called three or four times before, talked to George, and relayed some UFO stories and time warp stories.
		What I want to relay now is something I find more important, especially being that it's September 12th.
		These are my political views.
		I have three little things I want to mention here.
		I'll try to go as quickly as I can.
		Thank you, sir.
		I think it is extremely important, first and foremost, to complete a viable fence that stretches along the Mexican-U.S.
		border.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of defense would that be?
unidentified		Fence, fence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A fence.
unidentified		A real fence.
		Let's get some big concrete slabs, barbed wire, throw her down, put the money in it.
		Let's stop wasting money on A, a drug war I find is not in complete best interest of the American public.
		And B, pork barrel politics, money put into finding out what type of peanuts Americans prefer, you know, and stop not only illegal aliens from crossing over, but it seems now the Middle Eastern people are taking the notion of it's easy to, hey, let's just cross over.
		Do it in mass numbers.
		Some of this will slip through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate your call.
		I wonder what everybody else thinks about the concept of a fence all the way along our southern border.
		Do you really think such an idea would fly?
		I don't think so.
		I think probably parallels would be made to the Berlin Wall and that sort of thing.
		And I'm not sure that even with the fence, while it might certainly stop some drug traffic, make it tougher on the drug traffickers, it would mostly stop the average, for example, Mexican or South American trying to make it across our border to better their lives.
		It would stop them, but would it stop somebody intent on doing us real harm?
		I don't think so.
		I think they would still find a way to do it.
		So offense might be seen by the rest of the world in a pretty ugly way, but that's a small point.
		If we needed it, then so be it.
		I just think it would stop mostly the poor illegal aliens who want to make it over here to earn a better living and would not stop those who wish us dead.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Yord, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay.
unidentified		This is Mark.
		I'm calling from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
		104.7 FM News Talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, about that blast on the China border, are they saying North Korea set off a nuclear bomb?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've asked a very interesting question.
		The first thing I saw suggested it might have been a nuclear explosion.
		However, a CNN story I just read said it definitely is not a nuclear explosion, and yet, you know, there's a cloud there that would suggest nuclear, and there's a, I guess, a hole in the ground that would suggest it might have been something as extensive as a nuclear bomb.
		So it's up in the air right now.
		We don't know.
unidentified		What's China saying?
unidentified		What's China saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not much yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're really not saying anything that I've got my hands on yet.
unidentified		They could pick up the fallout.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly would not surprise me if North Korea lit off a nuke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I assume it wouldn't surprise you.
unidentified		Not a bit.
		Not a bit.
		Hey, you're talking about 9-11?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I'm 40 years old, okay?
		And I'm a buddy of mine.
		He's 62.
		And 104.7 here ran a really good tribute for 9-11.
		It was hard to listen to.
		It was that good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And we both said the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		Wasn't that 100 years ago?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, there's no time or problem here for me with 9-11.
		I understand what you're suggesting, but no, it wasn't 100 years ago.
		It was just a few years ago, sir.
		And again, I really am curious how many of the rest of you have seen the coverage that began yesterday, actually even a previous day, of the 9-11 events.
		And I'm wondering how you reacted to them, seeing them again.
		You know, mostly in between, we've stopped showing pictures of the planes going into the buildings.
		But, of course, yesterday, for obvious reasons, CNN picked it up again and began doing it.
		And I reacted very strongly to it, very strongly, strongly enough that I said to myself, and I know my wife did too, you know, I can't watch this again.
		It kind of puts you back into it again.
		I understand it's very important.
		And believe me, I'll never forget September 11.
		Never, ever.
		But to get yourself back in that emotional state, maybe it's too soon for that kind of thing for some of us.
		I just don't know.
		It's an interesting psychological study.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, I'm Greg from Hollywood, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Greg.
unidentified		Well, I actually, I called because earlier tonight I saw what I believe was a UFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Earlier tonight?
unidentified		Earlier tonight.
		I had just gotten off work.
		I work over in Hollywood also, but when I was driving home, like probably in the East Hollywood area, or like Eastern, there was like an orange glowing light in the sky.
		It was pretty big from what I could see when I was pretty far away from it.
		As I got a little bit closer to where I live, it was probably about a quarter mile away, and I could actually start to see the structure of it.
		I mean, it looked like it was huge.
		It probably looked about the length of a football field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, everywhere else in the country, this would be a startling thing.
		But when you're in Hollywood, for starters, I mean, if you look up in the sky and see something really weird, you've got to remember you're in Hollywood.
		But you think, I mean, Hollywood's a big place, right?
		LA all around it and everything.
		Huge.
		So millions of people would see something the size of what you're talking about.
unidentified		Right, that's what I was expecting.
		That's really what I was calling about, to see if anyone else had seen it.
		Because I was actually, like, a couple nights before, I was out in Malibu also, and I saw something similar to it, but it was so far away I couldn't tell.
		I mean, it was like miles away.
		It was like out off the coast of Malibu, probably like 10 miles away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't think it could have been some Hollywood stunt?
unidentified		I'm pretty sure it wasn't.
		I mean, from what I could see, it definitely looked like it was huge.
		I mean, it had a lot of, like, you could see the structure of it, and it honestly, it looked like Saturn or something had come down and it was sitting in our atmosphere, you know?
		I mean, it looked that big from where I was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, you're right.
		We're both right.
		There are millions of people there, millions.
		And if something that spectacular showed up over Hollywood, I'm sure there'll be millions of supporting calls here.
		Or somebody will call and tell us what it was.
		International Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's number one.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		From Rialto, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and what's up?
unidentified		I was calling because, well, I had some friends that had, well, told me about this, something about the Siberian hole.
		Oh.
		How it sounded weird, real evil.
		And I just didn't, I always listened to you every weekend, and I've never gotten a chance to hear that.
		So I was just, my curiosity is wanting to, you know, see what that's about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you really sure you want to understand what this is about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sound like you might be perhaps Hispanic.
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Catholic?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		Christian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Christian?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Strong religious beliefs, I'll bet.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this could be somewhat traumatic for you.
		I mean, I sort of, I don't know how I knew, but I guess I knew the second I heard your voice that you were a very religious young lady.
		And have you been told the story of what this supposedly is?
unidentified		Not exactly, just a little bit, you know, something that I'm not too sure where it's at.
unidentified		Maybe I think Russia, is that right, or am I wrong?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Siberia is correct.
		You were correct first time.
		And the story is it was carried by Reuters.
		And the story involves some scientists who are drilling the deepest hole that's ever been drilled.
		And in fact, that is in Siberia.
		That's certainly true.
		That part of it is absolutely true.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the story suggests that microphones were lowered into the ground at one point, and they did recordings.
		And after they heard what was recorded, they capped this hole off and ran like, you know what?
		And I'll play this for you.
		It may scar you for some time after you hear this, but here's what they recorded, and now you'll know why they ran.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God, that's awful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely awful.
unidentified		You can hear a man's voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can hear the screaming, and that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just heard it.
unidentified		You heard that.
		Oh, man.
		That just gave me chills all over my body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought it might.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's something to think about, something to remember, and hopefully not something to look forward to.
unidentified		Oh, man.
		No, no, no.
		That's awful.
		That's really awful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have a good night's sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You remember, you asked for it.
unidentified		Oh, the Lord is with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And I have faith in Him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		He's always protecting us and our family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you keep looking at it that way, and good luck.
		And I don't know.
		I hesitate these days to play that.
		However, she asked for it.
		And I could kind of send she was a very religious gal.
		And this is one of those things.
		Some people say it's an urban legend of some sort.
		But there was quite a bit of rather mainstream news coverage about it.
		So you can choose to believe what you will of it.
		But believe me, I understand how it can set somebody like her, well, and just not be right for it.
		Okay, we can't take your last name on the air.
		So let's start all over again.
		Your name is Chad.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're calling from where, Chad?
unidentified		I'm a truck driver driving through Nebraska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Through Nebraska.
		Okay.
		What's up?
unidentified		Well, I was wondering, has anybody reported any UFO sightings by the I-80 corridor of last week?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you see, I know you're not just asking that out of the blue, so it must mean that you saw something.
unidentified		Well, yeah, me and my stepson, we team driving, and we were heading westbound right past Lincoln.
		And I was looking in the sky, and the sun was setting.
		You couldn't see the sun, but it was still pretty bright out.
		But there was three really, really bright objects probably about five, six miles out from us, heading out west.
		And they were just like really bright lights.
		I mean, they weren't too big, but they were spread out over probably about a mile area.
		And there was three of them, and they were in like a triangle-shaped formation, but they were so far out you could see it, and they were stationary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think you saw, John?
unidentified		Well, I would think it would be a UFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course it's a UFO.
		But let's get really down to cases.
		It's an unidentified flying object.
		No question about that.
		Do you think you saw an alien craft?
unidentified		I would say probably three, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a yes.
unidentified		Have you seen them fly?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Twice.
		All right.
		And this was on or just off I-80.
		About where?
unidentified		It's past Lincoln, Nebraska.
		I really couldn't tell you.
		I know it was between Lincoln and York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good enough.
		Well, we'll ask the rest of the audience if anybody else has seen such a thing.
		But assuming that you did see an alien craft, you know, it brings up the question of what we're listening for if they're already here with regard to SETI, right?
		And you know what they'd say if they were here?
		SETI, that is.
		They'd say, well, there is no proof.
		Well, many millions of all of you, many millions of Americans now, have seen these craft.
		Many millions, as Chad does, believe that they are alien craft.
		And so, you know, it begs a lot of questions.
		I mean, what are they doing here?
		Why are they observing us?
		Why are they taking cows and mutilating them?
		And right now, it does really look as though it is them that does that sort of thing.
		We certainly have not explained it.
		Some of the crop circles, no question, done by others.
		So why are they here?
		What do they want?
		Well, it's been my view that nothing good necessarily as far as we're concerned.
		And that's another subject we could cover tonight if you would like to.
		And that is the intent of those who are watching us, observing us, or, I don't know, tugging on our strings as though we were marionettes causing us to do what they want us to do.
		Or do you think the whole thing is baloney?
		I don't know.
		That's one of the reasons we're here in the middle of the night talking to all of you, trying to figure out the answers, the real answers to those questions.
		I'm Art Bell, and the program is Coast to Coast AM.
		Right now, it's sconced tightly in open lines.
		right where you are.
unidentified		Mississippi in the middle of a dry spell Jimmy Rogers on the victor up high Mama's dancing today Baby, on a shoulder.
		Start a step, my last guy.
		Everything is a very important city.
		Hey, I look at you, I can see the real time Cause it surely took me out of my world, I won't lie Suddenly I just fall
		apart, without a gun When you find that you love the truth you do, I Cause you gotta turn around, you know, take care of us So you better beware of One day you're
		up, you turn around You find your world, it's coming down It happened to me, and it can happen to you I was so, I felt so good I can not turn around Wanna take a ride?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Open Lines.
		Our guest had a bad phone connection.
unidentified		And so, we've got open lines, and anything you want to talk about is fair game.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		that's the nature of open lines on the screen, unprepared, and usually pretty wild.
		Open Line.
		Coming right up.
unidentified		Open Line.
unidentified		Open Line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now, in the middle of the night, it's just the two of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time, CallerLine, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, Mr. Caller.
unidentified		Where are you?
unidentified		Smallstones, Arkansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Arkansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
unidentified		I'm not really a regular listener.
		Only when customers get me out in the middle of the night.
		And I don't really follow the communists, not the communists, but the Clinton News Network.
		North Korea probably did set off a nuke over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They may well have, I don't know.
unidentified		But getting to Kerry, you can't pin him down to nothing.
		He won't talk about his last 20 years in the Senate.
		And his last 20 years that he has been in the Senate, he wants to take from everybody and give to the people that don't want to work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're, I take it, a Bush supporter.
unidentified		I'm a moderate conservative.
		And I like somebody that will stand up for what he believes in and take that stance regardless whether it's a popular or an impopular stance.
		That I respect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you?
		Yes.
		And so then, what is it you think we're doing in Iraq?
unidentified		Cleaning out a hornet's nest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Think so?
		Yes, sir.
		Boy, there's hornet's nests all over the place, and some of the other hornets have nuclear weapons and stuff like that, so we've got a lot of cleaning to do.
unidentified		I don't think they're finished.
unidentified		When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, and we only visit that once a year, which is a shame, we went straight after them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then, do you think we ought to attack Iran?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you feel that?
unidentified		They have the opportunity to come clean first.
unidentified		Kid Goofy in Libya.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what about North Korea?
		They definitely, I mean, who knows?
		They may be about to explode a nuka.
		They might have just done it or whatever.
		and they don't like us at all yeah and our president Korea is going to be a whole other situation because our previous president before this one just went to bed with him and said, whatever you do is fine.
		Well, but see, that was then and this is now.
		And, gee, now, they're a nuclear power.
unidentified		I don't think they're quite there yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Should we get them before they become a strong nuclear power?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Well, that's a lot of work for us to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly is, isn't it?
		To get out there and clean up the world like that, the entire world.
		I'm pretty curious what we're doing in Iraq, and I still don't know.
		I told you I didn't know before we went into Iraq, and I still don't know what we're doing there, really.
		It may be an opportunity, certainly, to kill some terrorists or would-be terrorists or real bad people.
		You know, I acknowledge that Saddam Hussein and his whole crew were generally real bad people, but we went to war, didn't we?
		And I just have yet, I think, to see what justified our young men and women dying.
		A thousand of them now, right?
		What is it that justifies that?
		Is it oil?
		Well, it's probably not weapons of mass destruction, but certainly we'd be in Korea as a first priority, right?
		So there's something else going on, something perhaps we have not been told about.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello?
		Yes.
		Yes.
		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be me.
unidentified		Art, this is Dave in Rochester, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Dave.
unidentified		And what I'd like to talk about tonight is how the face of war changes once it starts.
unidentified		Oh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this one's well underway.
unidentified		Yes, it is well underway.
		And if you take an example of our Civil War, it began as a treasonist thing, a secessionist thing.
		You can't cut the Mississippi River in half.
		It'll ruin commerce.
		And then once our troops got south and saw how these people were being treated, it became moral.
		And this is why Patton and Bradley and Eisenhower had our first immigration troops to concentration camps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, do you think that the war in Iraq began as an immoral war and became moral?
unidentified		I believe it started as a political war and then has changed into a moral conflict.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's found its moral reason to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that reason is?
unidentified		And that reason is who knows what the desert holds.
unidentified		I'm sorry, I have a problem with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not a moral reason.
		That's like the reason the man climbed the mountain.
		Why do you climb mountains?
		Well, because it's there.
		I don't know.
		Stating because it's there is probably not the highest moral reason that I've ever heard somebody utter.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, I'll tell you what.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I decided a week or five ago that – Where are you calling from?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Real close to the phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yell at me.
unidentified		Here, I've got the real phone here.
unidentified		That's my boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maryland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your name?
unidentified		Ian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Ian, what's up?
unidentified		All right.
		All right.
		I think, for one thing, because of that last caller, it reminds me I decided a week or five ago that there is such a thing as the why-not argument, and I don't care for it.
		It doesn't really move me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you applying the why-not argument to the war?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, let's think of the reasons why we're doing this, and your reason would be, well, what the hell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
unidentified		That's what that other guy was saying.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, wait.
		The other guy was saying there was this giant moral reason that had come to be since we began the war.
		That's what he was saying.
		He wasn't saying, why not?
		You might be saying, why not?
		And I guess you are, huh?
unidentified		No, no.
unidentified		I was putting words in his mouth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		But at any rate, I think, fortunately, I do think there's at least one race of extraterrestrials who is trying to make sure that we don't destroy ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what kind of job are they doing?
unidentified		Well, I don't know, but it's maybe fairly effective so far.
unidentified		I've heard more than once of craft, unidentified, unknown craft, maybe stopping military bases from...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely right.
		In one instance, here in America, the objects hovered above our silos and actually shut down a number of intercontinental ballistic missiles.
		Actually shut them down.
		This is pretty well documented.
		And then in Russia, there were some objects that hovered above Russian military silos back in the bad old days of the Soviet Union and began a launch sequence.
		And if that doesn't scare you, there's nothing in this world that will.
		So I guess those two arguments might be made, and you might be right.
		Perhaps, you know, they're kind of laying a warning on us.
		Here's what you can do to each other.
		And look how big a mistake you can easily make.
		What do you think, sir?
unidentified		Right, right, that's generally Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, got it.
		Yes, well, indeed, that happened.
		On the other hand, one could argue that there have been a number of successful nuclear tests that they could have intervened to stop, right?
		So you could argue either way on this.
		There was an incident in the Soviet Union.
		There was an incident in America.
		But the bombs did drop in Japan and did kill that many people.
		Hiroshima, Nagasaki.
		That happened.
		We have tested endlessly.
		Most of that went pretty much all right, even above-ground testing and no intervention.
		So I don't know.
		You could argue either way.
		West to the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes.
		I was wondering what you had on the idea that we are all just aliens, and then actually when we die, the bright light that we go to is the mothership.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I had a guest once who said exactly that, that we are all, or the majority of us, are aliens.
		And he did it in quite a straight-faced way.
		I don't know about the light being the mothership waiting to pick up our souls, but there was an awfully interesting story about a translator on the moon.
		And I'm trying to recall who told that fairly recently at that, that captured, received, and retransmitted souls.
		And of course, many things were told about the aliens seemed to deal with our souls.
		Us, all of us, as vessels, and the real contentious point, and that which is being fought for, our souls.
		And that also works with the Bible, doesn't it?
		Very biblical.
		A war over our souls.
		International line, you're on the air.
		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		All right.
		Okay.
		I've got a question for you about shadow people.
		Okay.
		I've seen shadow people ever since I was probably four years old.
		But it's in a weird...
		Like, you know, here I am talking to you.
		I see a shadow person.
		It's always in a lucid dream.
		Oh.
		And when I was a small child, I had this really strange dream, and I saw the shadow people.
		I said there were, like, hundreds of them, and they were calling my name.
		And then, yeah, it was really freaky.
		And I woke up and I was just in my bed or whatever.
		But later on in life, I was 18 years old.
		And I'd fallen asleep on the couch in the afternoon and sort of had an out-of-body experience, I guess.
		And in my dream, a shadow person was coming towards me.
		And I woke up and I was in that out-of-body state where you can't hardly move, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in a state like that, a shadow person ought to be able to get you.
unidentified		Yeah, but I didn't feel like that first time that they were trying to get me.
		The second time, which happened within a week, I did feel threatened by it, but they've never harmed me or anything.
		And I've only seen them like once I lose the dreams.
		It's really weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is weird.
		Well, thanks.
		I don't know what to tell you, except shadow people, the whole concept of it, somehow came alive on this program, as it frequently does.
		Just one person makes one call and describes one thing, and that ignites millions of people out there who have had the same experience.
		That's how we know when we're on to something here.
		The mailbox just lights up.
		And that, of course, is what occurred with shadow people.
		And it's kind of been an ongoing topic ever since.
		Not exactly ghosts, not exactly spirits conjured on a Ouija board or anything like that, but a whole different class of beings known as the Shadow People.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm just very quickly, this is Joe from South Texas, Nelson.
		Somewhat long-time listener, just have two points, not necessarily points, but actually something I'd like to talk to you about.
		Yes.
		Just very quickly, some years ago you had a guest on and I caught the butt end of it.
		I'm interested in Tomb Raiding.
		Well, just the game and the idea.
		I don't know if you I'm sure you remember some guy about tomb raiding that he would be very well armed and so on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tomb Raiding, the video game, Tomb Raider.
unidentified		Well, the game, but this other person that you had on, I wish I caught just the last part of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't recall having somebody on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it me or perhaps George?
unidentified		No, it was you.
		It was when you were on full time.
		Okay.
		Well, I just want to say if you remember, if you could have that guy on again.
		Anyhow, the other part was Gabriel, the mercenary?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Are you ever going to get contact by that guy ever again?
		Or does he call you?
		Are you ever going to have anybody like that again?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, that's a good question, to which I don't have a good answer.
		I don't maintain contact really with any of these people, nor do I know how to contact them.
		So I depend on contact from people of that sort.
		And toward that end, the way to reach me in the modern world is the way to reach most everybody these days.
		Email does the trick.
		So if you're a very unusual person of that sort and you would like to reach me, you can do so at the following addresses, artbell at mindspring.com or artbell at aol.com.
		Let me give those again, artbell at aol.com or artbell at mindspring.com.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		This is Greg.
		I'm calling from Montana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Greg.
unidentified		Hey, a couple of years ago, you had a guy on and he talked about this deep hole in the desert down in your area, I believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was initially Mel's Hole, and then sort of Mel's Hole 2.
		The one down here in the desert was really creepy.
		Really creepy.
		Yes, I know what you're talking about.
		What about that?
unidentified		I was wondering if you plan on having him back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, that's just like the question from the last caller.
		I really don't stay in touch with these people.
		They stay in touch with me.
		And when there's something new to be said, that's how to get a hold of me.
		So if it's Mel of Mel's Hole, and that was creepy.
		The last story he told about the Nevada hole was totally creeped to me out.
		But if Mel has more to say, he knows how to get a hold of me.
		He's to the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes, my name's Scott.
		I'm calling from Clearwater, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Scott.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		You mentioned why did we go to Iraq?
		And a quotation by Henry Kissinger the night we attacked on CNN.
		I was watching live.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		We're about ready to start bombing.
		And there was a quote by Henry Kissinger.
		He said, the road to Jerusalem runs through Baghdad.
		That's interesting because the name Kissinger equals 666.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think Mr. Kissinger is the Antichrist?
unidentified		Well, I'm not saying he's the Antichrist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what that implies.
unidentified		Years ago, about 1980, this computer builder who built the computer systems for the European Union said that the word computer equals 666.
unidentified		And he was asked, how do you come up with this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good.
		I'm glad.
		How did he answer that?
unidentified		Well, he used the R alphabet, which is 26 letters.
		A would be 6, B would be 12, C would be 18.
		You know, just add 6 to each continuing letter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if the computer and the Internet itself could be the Antichrist.
		What if the Antichrist is not actually an entity or a person or something that becomes flesh and blood, but rather a whole thing, like the computer and the Internet and the whole schmear?
		What if it's the Antichrist?
		What if that connectivity, that virtual web, turns out to be the communications device for the Antichrist?
		There's a concept for you.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, holler.
		It's Lindsay from San Diego.
		Celgo?
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Lindsay.
unidentified		How you doing, brother?
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
unidentified		Well, I was just going to discuss the UFO phenomena and why really the UFOs appear to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sure.
unidentified		I thought you might get a kick out of that buddy of yours across the street.
unidentified		I was up there when you had the helicopter visit about six, eight years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		I guess he's quit doing done right.
		And, well, I just thought I'd touch base.
		I can't believe it got a hold of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So why is it you think they're here?
unidentified		Well, you know, it's very apparent that one of the things we're not taking consideration is there's a time element or a clock that seems to be ticking that somebody else, maybe in the government or globally, are aware of, and the clock may have to do with something that we're totally not in control of,
unidentified		like asteroid maybe is going to be in collision with the Earth, and perhaps aliens have been sent here for one simple reason, to take samples of everything that's on Earth in the event that we have complete catastrophic destruction of the Earth itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think then, obviously, that if something catastrophic is about to occur, no matter what it would be, whether our own hand nuclear war or a gigantic life-ending rock sailing at us from space, that they'd come in, intervene, and save our butts, right?
unidentified		Well, and not particularly.
		What if we already knew what the future was going to foretell?
		And what if the alien contact is based on something that's going to happen in the near future that's already that people that our government is aware of?
		And what if the government is working in compliance with alien contact in order to actually save the physical specimens for everything that's on earth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got it.
		Well, that's a lot of what-ifs.
		You know, what if, what if, what if, what if.
		Maybe.
		I guess you can go along with that.
		Well, if all of that happened, then yes, maybe.
		But is there any indication that all of that is ahead for us?
		No.
		So what are we left with?
unidentified		A bunch of what gifts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You never know.
		From the high desert in the middle of the night, doing what we do best.
		I'm Mark Bell.
unidentified		I'm Mark Bell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, you remember the guy who's a Satan worshipper?
		Said he was anyway.
		Well, maybe his masters intervened because he's managed to get through again, so he'll be right back.
		If I recall properly, and I think that I do, as we were at the point we were disconnected, this caller was telling us that he was going to get into the church.
		See if he's there.
		Are you there, Caller?
		I are.
unidentified		Sorry about that.
unidentified		Listen, when I was on hold before, it went for like some kind of a default message.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did it now.
unidentified		Yeah, and then it went into a busy signal, and then I got cut off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think perhaps the long hand of he who you worship perhaps came along and snapped the line?
unidentified		Oh, I hope not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, if I recall correctly, we were suggesting, you were suggesting you were going to get into the church and bring Satan into the church.
unidentified		Well, that's already been done, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you were going to, nevertheless, somehow help the process along.
unidentified		Well, sure.
		I mean, there absolutely are it.
		There are Satanists inside the Roman Catholic Church.
		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So Father Malachi.
unidentified		I mean, Father Malachi would have told you that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He did tell me that.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you sound...
unidentified		I'm 30.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're 30?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when did it come to you that the right path for you was, well, straight down?
unidentified		Oh, well, October 23rd, 1997.
unidentified		Actually, your show, when Harlot came on, that's when I dedicated my life to the devil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were converted at that very point, huh?
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		So thanks to your show, I'm on the road I'm on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that would be the road to hell.
unidentified		Yeah, well, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, so we're...
		Do they?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what misconception are they burdened with?
unidentified		Well, they think that we're kind of ugly looking, and we dress in black, and we have long hair, and we look like the guys from Dia side.
		In actual fact, I guess we look like everybody else does.
		I mean, I pretty much work a normal job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As warm and fuzzy as anybody else, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, I think I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but there's this dark side to you.
unidentified		Well, sure.
		That comes out in ritual, which is performed.
		I remember you had a Church of Satan representative on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did, yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Not real impressive, frankly, Art, but.
		Really?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what would you have said in his place that would have been real impressive?
unidentified		Well, he's an atheist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		what would have been real impressive if you'd been there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know that, but I'm asking, what would have impressed you if you'd or how would you have impressed me or the audience if you'd been a guest as a Satan worshiper?
unidentified		Well, I would have come at things probably from far more of a non-atheistic, less material reductionist view.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And more of a Satan is a real entity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Satan is something to be loved and cherished and worshipped.
unidentified		Yeah, well, you know, Michael Aquino kind of had a good idea about this.
		I don't know if you're familiar with the Temple of Seth.
		Aquino did a pretty good job with this up until they really got into the medallion and degree worshiping.
		Then they kind of screwed the pooch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aren't you a little concerned for your soul?
unidentified		Well, I guess so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good.
		You should be.
		I mean, after all, if Satan isn't everything you thought and hell isn't everything that you thought it was, you're in for a rough ride.
unidentified		Well, I think I am pretty much...
unidentified		You know, you kind of made a reference before the break that I was probably kind of BFing, but I assure you I was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I alluded to that possibility.
unidentified		Yeah, but I assure you I'm not, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm perhaps partway convinced.
		It would take more.
		You communicate with me by email and convince me, and we'll go from there.
		You never know.
		I don't know.
		I'm kind of on the fence about you, to be honest.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Keith in Hamilton, Ontario.
		Yes, Keith.
		I just wanted to say all these shows debunking Did Man Land on the Moon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		The Hubble Telescope can spot a quarter at the bottom of the ocean.
unidentified		So why not aim it at the moon and see if it could pick up the flag?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know it could spot a quarter at the bottom of the ocean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where did you hear that?
unidentified		It's just what I heard, anyways.
unidentified		It's supposed to be quite a tracker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess it's pretty good.
		And I guess they probably don't feel a need from the people who are perpetrating these stories about the fact that we didn't go to the moon.
		They don't feel enough pressure to have to prove that we went because they know we went.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		And also, I just want to say, too, I was fascinated with your show about the Amish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wasn't that something?
unidentified		Yeah, you know, we're in a world of global world terrorism, hate crime, black crime, corporate corruption.
		The Amish.
		I've never heard a story.
		Amish Min goes nuts, kills 12.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you never know that.
		Actually, it was the Minnamites.
		It was a sect of the Amish or something, but he was calling them the Minnamites.
		And I thought that was a rather unique name, and it was a unique show to begin, to take the position that you're going to minimize everything technical in your life.
		And we live in an extremely technical society.
		Not something I'd likely do, but hearing about it was absolutely fascinating.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		This is Joseph.
		I live in the land of fire and ice out here in New Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Joseph.
unidentified		I wanted to talk to you about shadow people.
		Oh, okay.
		I read once where the ancient Chinese prescribed marijuana for their people with gout.
		And they gave a warning with this that said, don't take too much.
		You will see demons.
		And I'm willing to bet you that a lot of your shadow people, I've experienced shadow people, and I have experimented.
		And I'm willing to bet you that a lot of your people who call in with shadow people, if they're honest with you, they have experimented as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's worth considering.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's actually worth asking a lot of them, isn't it?
unidentified		Well, that comes from listening to George Norrie's host last night and what his topic was about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean his guest?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was it about?
		It was about I forget the name of this drug they was talking about that they know I've done a number of shows on it too sure.
		It's a legitimate question, I think.
		How many of the people who have seen these creatures, these entities, these, if you want to call them shadow people, that's fine, whatever.
		But how many people, and then beyond that, if the majority of the answers were yes, I used something, then would you conclude that it's a door, that it opens a door to that sort of phenomena, or that it explains the phenomena itself, that they were taking some sort of hallucinatory drug?
		Many would say, well, okay, then fine.
		That simply explains the whole thing, but maybe not.
		Maybe what it really does is just open the door.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		All right.
		Am I correct?
		When I was in Anchorage, I seem to remember you were broadcasting from KENI many years ago back in the 90s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're absolutely correct.
unidentified		I used to walk past Westchester Lagoon when you were broadcasting.
unidentified		I used to go and walk under the Tony Knowles Coastal Trail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
unidentified		When I lived there.
		It used to be easy to get on your show.
		Things have changed so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they do change, don't they?
unidentified		Yes.
		I wanted to mention something about the political situation.
		I was surprised a couple days ago.
		I went on the Bureau of Public Debt website from a link, and I found out that the debt this year is not $422 billion added, like we've been told.
		It was $585 billion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we're going in debt very quickly.
unidentified		It's much faster than what they're telling us.
unidentified		And yet, this is the federal government Bureau of Public Debt website, but the media won't report that figure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, and one of the reasons we're doing that is because we are at war, and wars cost a hell of a lot of money.
unidentified		Yes, and I thought of something.
		I was a Republican until last month when I changed the Independence, largely because of this president.
		And I was thinking to myself, you know, you don't have to really like John Kerry a lot to just decide, like sometimes you're working with a piece of equipment and you just decide, well, I've tried this, I've tried that.
		Let's just hit the reset button.
		And that's kind of what I think people should do in the sense of President Bush.
		He doesn't really seem to do things competently, even if he chose something such as the course of action in Iraq, which I disagreed with and you disagreed with.
		But I feel that even if you decide to do that and it's the wrong course of action, once you've done it, you should do it competently and you shouldn't do it.
		Like Rumsfeld encouraged looting.
		He made a speech and he says, free people loot, free people make mistakes, we shouldn't shoot the looters.
		And that sort of started the whole country on the Iraqis on a sense that they could defy us.
		And it proved that they could defy us.
		And I feel that we've just got to sort of hit the reset button in this presidency, try something else.
		And if we don't like Kerry, then we can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does not look like that's what's going to happen.
		The Kerry campaign, in my opinion, seems to be floundering.
		And nobody's saying anything to me that particularly impresses me.
		And I'm not suggesting that George Bush is not prosecuting this effectively so far.
		We're running into a lot of resistance, it is true.
		I don't understand the reason why we're doing it, but it may well be that we're doing it fairly effectively.
		I hope so.
		I would very much, you'll never know How much I would like to understand the real reason why we're sending young men and women off to die.
		It may be that after the election, we'll suddenly get a draft because we're going to need it.
		We're getting spread pretty thin.
		And I still don't know exactly why we're doing what we're doing.
		Maybe you do.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Okay.
		Okay, I'll cut it off.
		Good.
		My name's Jim.
		I'm calling from Seattle, Washington.
		Yes, Jim.
		And I was just wondering how much more those poor people down there in Florida can take.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a really good question.
		My wife and I earlier saw somebody had written on the side of a building somewhere before they evacuated the names of the two hurricanes and then finally this one and then goodbye.
		We're out of here.
		I mean, a lot of people, I think, finally are throwing up their hands and saying, I'm going to go live in Idaho or something.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		Yes.
		And I wouldn't blame them.
		But then you have places like Idaho.
		Of course, you've got the severe winters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I named Idaho because it doesn't have anything quite as severe as hurricanes.
		There are not too many parts of the country that don't have something awful.
		I'm a fan of storm stories on the Weather Channel, and they will endlessly show you the floods we have, the flash floods here in the desert, the F5 tornadoes.
		What was it, F5?
		Yeah, they had an F5 that they thought almost went to F6.
		That's unthinkable.
		I mean, just absolutely unthinkable.
		300 mile-an-hour wind.
		So everywhere in the country has something it has to put up with.
		And if you go all the way out west, where you have eternal springtime, say in San Diego, then you have to worry about earthquakes or something.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, I'm Jennifer, and I'm calling from South Florida.
unidentified		And I just wanted to call and let you know that the people down in Florida, in South Florida, I've heard you talk tonight about, well, like the previous caller saying something like you wouldn't want to live here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's people, I suppose, in Florida now just sort of throwing up their hands and saying, three is too many.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm out of here.
unidentified		I'll tell you, I've been very scared.
		I have two small kids.
		I work at night.
		That's why I'm calling now.
		But it's been really stressful.
		I was without lights for six days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I mean, I was getting to the point where I was already calling, you know, the city commissioner.
unidentified		I was just so upset.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I hear you.
		I mean, this would be never, seemingly never-ending stress.
		It's gone on and on and on and on.
		And now it looks like we've got another one coming up the chute.
		This one bigger than ever.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
		I haven't seen it, you know, really.
		I'm trying to get the hurricane mode out of my mind.
		Hopefully this is the last one, but they're saying it's going to hit probably the panhandle, and I'm by Miami.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the latest is it's moved a little farther west than they thought.
		But you know what?
		As it starts north, there really are no guarantees at all of what it could do.
		And it could come in on the coast of Florida and still cut right across it.
		The science is not that well, you know, we don't have it down that well.
		Hurricanes just do weird things.
unidentified		Well, it's been really nice and kind of comforting, actually, with the weather guys down here on all the stations.
unidentified		It's on like 24 hours a day, and it is kind of a comfort.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But still, overall, it's stressful, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, three hurricanes in a row, it begins to get to you.
unidentified		Very stressful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so what about you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to stick it out in Florida?
unidentified		Yeah, I was born here.
		So I was born in Miami in 68, and I haven't really had any big hurricanes.
		I was here for Andrew, but I was up in the Coral Springs area.
		We lost a lot of big trees, but nothing like the people in Homestead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		A friend of mine, she was telling me she lived a month without lights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A month without electricity.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		And I lived six days, and I was complaining, so I couldn't even imagine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just simply don't realize how important electricity is in your life until it's gone, do you?
unidentified		Big time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Big time is right.
		All right, thank you very much.
		And if you doubt it, I used to tell my audience this, go outside on a nice night some night, you know, with a flashlight, don't hurt yourself.
		And if you're able, throw off the main power switch to your house.
		And what you're going back into is kind of a tomb.
		Actually, it's a bad idea.
		Don't do that.
		But if you were to do that, you'd return to what's virtually a tomb inside.
		It's really weird.
		And I, too, feel for all of you in Florida.
		It does look, by the way, the storm track has shifted to the west.
		In fact, it was almost as if the hand of God or somebody moved it away from Jamaica.
		I wonder how many of you watched that.
		It was kind of bizarre.
		The storm was headed in a west-northwesterly direction directly at Jamaica.
		The eye was going to make landfall on Jamaica and do absolute terror.
		But when it got to Jamaica, it turned left.
		It made a hard left and went directly west.
		And as much damage as was done, not nearly so much as could have been done.
		And that job was almost bizarre.
		And then it resumed a west-northwesterly course.
		But I mean, it was so strange that it literally came up to that point, stopped cold, and turned left, as in going further west.
		Just skirting Jamaica.
		It was an amazing thing to watch.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Just skirting.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		All right, we're off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in a truck somewhere, right?
unidentified		I'm actually in a car driving across the country.
unidentified		We're in Idaho right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Idaho.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just talked about Idaho.
unidentified		Well, yeah, you did.
unidentified		We went through the Badlands, I guess, two nights ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And we saw some really bizarre lights.
		And we just wondered if anybody else had seen anything like that, or if you've ever heard about anything like that.
		Just like low, blinking lights where there didn't seem to be any structures or houses or anything to make any sense of it.
		Well, You know, you go back through the Badlands the next day and there's just nothing out there except these bizarre rock formations and everything.
		Nothing that seems like it would be giving off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've got to admit, on long drives through the kind of areas that you're talking about, for me down in Texas a lot, in Arizona, and I do a lot of night driving because I prefer night driving, actually.
		And you do see these things off in the distance that you never seem to get closer to.
		And they just sort of hang there and twinkle at you.
		It's really weird.
		I know what you're talking about.
		But I have no idea what it is.
unidentified		Two other points.
unidentified		One, can you tell us where we can find out more information about that tape that you played of the noises in the holes in Siberia?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can research it on the internet and just go to Google and put in Russian hell hole or something like that.
unidentified		Hell a hole?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hell hole.
		H-E-W-Hole.
		Hockey stick.
		You know, hell.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, there are many things that will say, well, it's, you know, urban legend of some sort or another.
		But in fact, the mainstream media did cover it, and it was a real story.
		And whether or not what I have is an actual recording, I have reason to believe that it is.
		Okay?
unidentified		Only other thing I want to say is that people do have a third choice in this election.
		There is Ralph Nader to vote for.
		You guys should consider that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is, but is he realistically electable?
unidentified		Well, that's a good question, but you're talking about this campaign.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a really important question.
unidentified		But if the Kerry campaign really implodes in the next few weeks, as many people, not just yourself, lots of people are saying that it's really falling apart.
unidentified		If that happens, there's still a lot of people that really want to voice some sort of opposition to the direction that our country's going in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're right.
		I mean, it is a point.
		I mean, it's something you can, I suppose, do as sort of a protest.
		And that's what it is, kind of a protest.
		The whole election thing this year is very interesting from a number of points of view.
		Anyway, listen, we'll be back tomorrow night when hopefully we'll have a very good connection with Lynn McTaggart, tomorrow night's guest, from the high desert in the middle of the night.
		We're out of time.
		So good night all.

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