Art Bell welcomes guests Hank Cohen and Ellen Muth to discuss Dead Like Me, a Showtime show blending sci-fi, comedy, and drama about death as a metaphor for redemption, with 75% of characters regretting something before dying. Ellen reveals her character’s supernatural constraints and ties to EVP, while Bell praises its bold themes like All in the Family. The segment pivots to North Korea’s disputed nuclear explosion near China, Peter Cordani’s hurricane-weakening plan, and callers’ fringe theories—HAARP, UFOs collecting disaster samples, shadow people linked to drugs, and Kissinger as a potential "Antichrist." Bell’s skepticism contrasts with listeners’ wild claims, from extraterrestrial intervention in wars to government debt discrepancies, underscoring the show’s blend of mainstream curiosity and conspiracy-driven speculation. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, and wherever you may be in the world's 25 known time zones, all covered like a blanket by this program post code fam.
He's taken up residence here, and I went out and took a photograph of him last night.
That is good luck, I am told.
Bad luck is the storms we're having in the desert right now.
Oh, we're having some wickedly, wickedly big storms.
And the lightning is flashing all around us out here.
I have a feeling Death Valley is filling up out there.
I don't know.
Bad storms here in the desert and bad storms in the Caribbean island now.
910 millibars.
910 millibars.
That's like one of the five worst in all of history.
And I'm going to put a shot up on the webcam of that after a while.
But in a moment, in the first hour, we're going to talk with Hank Cohen and Alan Muth all about a program I love, I love, called Dead Like Me coming right up.
you Even from the time I began to see the previews for the program Dead Like Me on Showtime, my wife and I both said, oh man, that's for us right down our alley.
And it would be right down your alley too if you haven't seen it yet.
Trust me on this one, as I've been saying for weeks and weeks.
So now, here I think, and I hope is Hank Cohen, who's none other than president of MGM Television Entertainment.
Hank, for those in my audience, and that would be some number perhaps, who have not yet seen Dead Like Me, how would you describe the program?
unidentified
Well, first of all, Art, I'd like to take the opportunity while we're on the show to thank you for all the nice words.
It's funny.
This is one show, you know, when you're an executive, you love all your shows, but this one in particular, I just think it's so special, and I think it speaks to so many people on an emotional level that I am very, very proud of it, and I appreciate your support.
If I were to have to describe you, I'd say sort of a pouty, reluctantly rebellious reaper.
unidentified
I only have pouty lips.
That's what I've been told.
So it's interesting that question you just asked Hag because it really can't be described in one or two categories.
It's not a science fiction, but it's not a comedy, and it's not a drama.
It's kind of everything combined.
And my character starts out as being very depressed and has problems with authority.
And this season, season two, she's changed a lot for the better and come to terms with her sexuality and who she is.
And she keeps on growing, which is odd for Grim Reaper because most of the time, you know, they stop growing and they just stay where they were when they died.
Well, it seems like whether it's movies or television, the people who have the greatest success actually usually kind of share some characteristics with the character they play in real life.
One thing I know you asked that to Ellen, but I think our producers, John Matius and Stephen Gottschau, who write and run the show, have done a great job this year because, you know, so many times in television, shows come along and you really like the show the first season, and it's pretty much virtually the same characters for five years.
And I think from one season to the next, these guys, our characters have grown so much, which people do in real life.
And I think it's odd that a show that, you know, I don't think anyone would argue that, you know, we don't have proof that there really are Grim Reapers out running around there, so it is somewhat fantasy.
But the growth of our characters from one season to the next has been enormous, and I think people really do grow that way, and I think it reflects real life.
And I think George last year was struggling with sort of her passing.
I think this year she's struggling with living.
And I think it's a throwback to where she was before the toilet seat hit her.
That's also one difference, you know, Ellen, you forgot to point out that between the real-life Ellen and George is that when the toilet seat hit you and you were real life Ellen, it just wounded you.
I mean, Dead Like Me walks a really, really fine line.
I mean, just sort of walking up to the edge of sacrilege, I suppose, for some who view it.
You know, I mean, stealing from the dead, that kind of thing.
And I wonder how that line is walked.
That must be a real fine line.
unidentified
Yeah, I think it's a fine line.
And, you know, one of the things that I think is so interesting about the show, while it is supposedly, I guess, at its core about death, I think people that watch it, and a lot of people have said this to me, and in fact, my nephew, who even had a chance last year to read a couple of the scripts before we shot him, he said, you know, and he had seen a couple of the episodes as well, he said, it's funny, this show makes me a little less afraid to die.
Yeah.
And I think it really does do that because it, you know, even what we tried to convey in the main title, and I think it's a really cool main title, is, you know, death is all around us.
It's there just as much as when we go to work and we play basketball and when we eat lunch and when we're on the bus, it is everywhere, but it's just a part of life.
So let's get on with it and let's not make it this big monster that some people, you know, unfortunately, or, you know, rightfully so, whatever, do, because it is just, it's natural and it's going to happen.
I interview real-life people here all the time who have died on the operating table, that kind of thing, and have gone to the other side and seen it or gone partway to the other side.
And these are real serious people, you know, older people who have had heart attacks or transplants or whatever, and they actually died on the operating table.
And they tell all these similar, incredible similar stories.
Right.
And so I'm kind of like you, but I'm leaning toward it does seem like there might be something.
And I guess that's what the show is going to keep exploring.
It's comedy.
It is dark somewhat.
And it's also about the supernatural.
So it's many things, isn't it?
But what, most of all, comedy, I guess?
unidentified
I would say it's a dark comedy.
Usually when people ask me, you know, what is it about or what kind of surface does it have, I say it's a dark comedy.
And it's interesting what you said about the people on the operating table and how they died, you know, whether it be for a minute or two minutes, because I've heard, you know, people who try to commit suicide actually go to this very dark place where they see things like gravelings, pretty much.
I mean, almost every show has a really strong moral message.
unidentified
Yeah.
And, you know, they do it without you even knowing that you're getting the message until you think back on it.
You know, I think we entertain first, which I think the more successful shows and movies do.
But when you think back on it, you realize, and, you know, these writers are so good at, and the actors too, obviously, but at setting it up early on, kind of what it's going to be about, and then you just enjoy the story, and at the end, it all ties up.
And not in a pretty bow, but just in a sort of full circle sort of way.
Do you ever have any input, Ellen, into how your character plays out her role?
I mean, do you ever sort of, I don't know, in the middle of the set, say, hey, I wouldn't do that, or I would do that, or let's do this.
unidentified
I really have no limits as far as, you know, like what happens to George, because it's not as though she's alive and she has control over what happens.
You know, a lot happens that she has no control over because either her boss controls her, which would be Mandy Patinkin, or the Grablings control her, or Dolores Hernbig.
She is the most generally unhappy woman that I've ever seen in my whole life.
I wonder if in the program you will somehow come to reconcile with her or there's, you know, they keep your family and your sister and your mom in the show, so it hints that somewhere down the line there's going to be more interaction between you and your former family.
unidentified
Right.
And, you know, one of the things I've heard from the majority of my fans, you know, in mail, you know, like through the mail or in person, is that they love the family dynamics, you know, with Joy and Reggie, Reggie being my sister.
And it's very true.
It's kind of heartwarming, but at the same time, it's very dark and depressing.
But it's just, it's a good contrast, you know, because it kind of evens itself out.
And I mean, I would love to be able to reconcile with my mother at one point, but right now, she's so, you know, believing that I'm just some psycho girl who keeps coming to her house and stalking them.
So I couldn't really tell you right now as to whether or not they will or will not.
No, but I think there's so much dysfunction in real life in America that actually that isn't all that unusual one way or the other for a lady to be that unhappy.
unidentified
You know what's interesting, Art, is talking about the family dynamic in this show.
When we first started it, we certainly never looked at this as a family show.
But if you go on several of the websites, both ours, Showtimes, as well as the fan creative ones, so many people write in, both older people and younger people, that this is the one show they can sit down as a family and watch because the older people get a real insight as to how honestly young people are thinking and vice versa.
I think today, family viewing, because of all the niche programming, has become really sort of a lost event for the family.
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Dead Like Me is about a young lady, beautiful young lady.
In this case, Ellen Muth, who plays Georgia, who gets hit by a re-entering toilet seat, re-enters the atmosphere and kills her, and instead of dying completely, well, actually, she does die, she becomes a reaper, and her assignment is to take others' souls, other people's souls, just before they die in generally horrific, and if they can be funny, and they are funny, deaths of others.
So she reaps souls.
We'll get back to Ellen and Hank Cohen, who's president of MGM Television Entertainment in just a moment.
Hank, there have been introduction of different nameless reapers in, certainly in the first season, like, for example, the man who reaped George's soul.
And I'm wondering if you're going to follow that theme some more in future seasons.
Do you think that far ahead?
unidentified
Yeah, they absolutely do.
I will say this season, when they came into my office before we even went into production.
They had the whole, obviously not everything, you know, all the scripts written, but they had the whole season sort of arced out.
And that is absolutely in the plans to continue to, you know, even perhaps occasionally revisit ongoing Reapers or, you know, create and of course introduce some new ones.
Now, we couldn't go back to the Reaper that took George because he crossed over.
Yeah, once you reap your last soul, which is a fairly fair.
Did it start off with a roar, or was it more likely people began discovering it as it went along?
I think a little of both.
unidentified
I mean, we came out of the box very strongly, and we've continued to grow.
We're doing very, very good and strong numbers right now.
And it is a show that you can't say is across the board for everybody, because there are certain people, a very, very small percentage, hopefully, that would just make them too uncomfortable to watch it.
But I will tell you, when you go on the website, and as I said before, I'm proud of all our shows, but you see what people write about this.
This is a deep, deep emotional connection to this show.
I was actually pretty blown away when we were down at Comic-Con, the big comic book convention a couple months ago in San Diego, and Ellen and a couple of the cast members were on the panel, and I was moderating it.
People were standing up, and it was almost like a revival.
I mean, they were talking about life's experiences.
One woman, and I was really moved by this, she said after she watched the pilot, she went right to the phone and called her mother, and she hadn't talked to her in 15 years, and told her mother, you know what, we have to stop this fight.
Is it sobering for you, Ellen, to realize how deeply this affects people, just as Hank's saying?
unidentified
It really is unusual because the majority of fan mail that I get, they all say how I've helped them because their mother passed on or their father passed on.
By the way, you two, are the gravelings, these creatures that precipitate the deaths of these folks, these gravelings, they're put in by computer afterwards, aren't they?
And I would just like to add that I think our visual effects and created by our visual effects people, the Gravelings are, they were nominated for an Emmy, and we will find out how we do tomorrow night at the Creative Arts Award.
In fact, this year we have a guest star who's a musician, and I've been seeing him all over the place now because at the time that I had met him, I didn't really know who he was.
And it seemed like a week later, he's on MTV and Carson Daly and all these big-time shows.
Yeah, sorry if we weren't supposed to, but we're doing a big tie-in.
It starts, I think it starts next month, or next week, with MTV and Gavin because music has become such an important part of this show.
And all that credit goes to, well, John Meish is our executive producer, of course, but Stuart Copeland, who writes this wonderfully imaginative music in a program that music really does sometimes help shape the mood for what the actors are doing.
In other words, I'm wondering if you are at all concerned, if it goes on for years and years, which it looks like it will, that forever you're going to be a Reaper, typecast as a Reaper.
unidentified
Well, I've never seen any other scripts where there's a Reaper.
In fact, when I first got this role, I had to ask my father, what is a grim reaper?
It's just that it's such a strong imprint in my mind now who she is.
That happens.
Hank, are there any other films or TV series that MGM is going to produce in the future that might focus on the metaphysical phenomena, I don't know, time travel, psychokinesis, telekinesis, shape-shifting, the cross-country?
unidentified
Well, you know, it's kind of funny.
We've sort of become the sci-fi studio.
You know, we did The Outer Limits.
We do Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis.
We just did a, my Valeria got to produce a direct-to-video Species 3, you know, which is going to be coming out in, I think it's coming out in November.
Did you ever imagine you'd fall into this kind of a role?
I mean, from being a victim to suddenly, this is so out in left field.
unidentified
Well, I don't really think of it as being, like, fallen into it because it was the type of thing where I read the script and I thought, okay, this is brilliant, so there's no way I'm going to get it.
And I still to this day, and according to my mother, a lot of actors say in interviews that they think this was a mistake.
You know, somebody made a mistake somewhere hiring me because it's so good.
And I can tell you that, well, I, not personally, but our casting people, Paul Weber, who I think put together just an amazing cast on this show, he looked at probably between 400 or 500 girls.
And, you know, we saw George and we did, I mean, Ellen, and we said, you know, there's George.
Well, again, you know, I see her as, as I said, a sort of pouty, reluctantly rebellious Reaper.
And she's got a certain aura of kind of rebellious poutiness about her that I don't know where else you'd find it, except unless it was kind of real in her life.
unidentified
Yeah, well, she was, you know, pouty and had trouble with authority before she died.
You know, look at her family dynamics.
She didn't get along with her mother or her father.
You talk about it in the third person because, of course, it's a character, but there really has to be a lot of that in your life.
Or can you be such a good actress that you could be something totally different?
It doesn't seem like it to me.
unidentified
No, absolutely you can.
I mean, as long as you're aware of your surroundings and you can make sense of things that other people are going through, I think that's one of the unique talents that an actor can have, you know, being able to analyze and see how other people live.
And that's why I'm really fortunate that I didn't grow up in Hollywood or in New York with people in my family who are in the business, you know, because nobody in my family is in the business.
So I grew up, you know, in a normal high school, not a performing arts.
It seems to me like this show just, I don't know, it's special, it's magic, and it's so different.
And those are the shows in television, I guess, that really do take off.
I'm remembering All in the Family, for example, and a whole lot of shows that reached out and were just sort of dangerous on the edge.
But they're the ones that made it.
And that's what Dead Like Me is doing.
It's right out there on the very edge.
unidentified
Yeah, and you know, I really commend Showtime and MGM for being so supportive of putting this show on the air because it's a very touchy subject, and you're going to find people who are absolutely opposed to it.
Well, this may be a piece of breaking news, and I hope it's not what I think it might be, but it may be the North Koreans have set off a nuke.
Maybe they've lit off a nuke.
I don't know.
Associated Press is saying a large explosion, large, has occurred in the northern part of North Korea, sending a huge mushroom cloud into the air on an important anniversary of the communist regime, according to the South Korean news agency.
The South Korean government said that it was trying to confirm the report.
That's South Korea.
The Yonghap news agency, citing an unidentified source in Seoul, said the explosion occurred at 11 a.m. local time Thursday In the province near the border with China, the blast has left a gigantic crater big enough to be noticed by satellite.
Now, we really don't know at this point whether it was a deliberately planned nuclear test or it's been some sort of nuclear accident in North Korea.
At this point, we're not sure.
But I'll try and keep you informed, and hopefully you'll keep me informed.
That came sailing in on Fast Blast.
Thank you very much.
One way of staying in touch with what's going on while I'm actually on the air.
But it could be that or it could be a big accident in North Korea.
Just wanted to kind of keep you up on things.
In a moment, Tom Casmer.
And this is going to be a very interesting program.
He's a real deal.
I was invited to call Mr. DeLorean, you know the man who makes the cars, who had something to say about Tom Casmer.
But just based on that invitation alone, I didn't take the opportunity and call Mr. DeLorean.
But he is apparently prepared to accept some technology, I guess, that Tom has designed for an automobile Mr. DeLorean's working on.
Anyway, Tom Kasner is about to be here.
Now, as a child, Tom Kasner was fascinated by mechanisms and rockets, my kind of guy.
He attended a technical high school and then joined IBM Endcott in the electronic technician apprentice program after about two years.
He entered Harper College in Binghamton, New York during the period.
From 59 to 63, he designed and patented, listen to this, IBM's Hydropad Drill Machine Logic, Electronics and Optics.
The machines have drilled all holes in IBM circuit boards worldwide to date.
Can you imagine that?
The kind of holes that are drilled for IBM have to be, of course, very precise.
And so he invented the technology that does this even till this very day.
While at Bendic's Intilla Ignition Lab, he refined a rocket ignition that went to the moon on the LEMS.
He's been involved in several company startups, acting as chief engineer and vice president of engineering.
Later, he began work as a freelance consultant working on military radar, nuclear survivable power supplies, cryogenics, reliability studies, and power supplies.
In 1986, he contracted with a military contractor in Minnesota and designed a 1 million watt power supply for the Star Wars program and built a 150 kilowatt section of it before Congress canceled Star Wars.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
They threw water on all that.
Right?
Well, sort of.
At this point, he came to the realization that his experience, education, and background qualified him to design and build the world's first true solar sports car, the Mag 1.
After five years, he was advised by a business associate to incorporate and capitalize on the core invention in there.
That would be the Hydrister, the Hydrister, and we're going to get an explanation of that shortly.
Now, again, Hurricane Ivan down to 910 millibars is one of the biggest, baddest hurricanes in all of history, down at 910 millibars.
This thing is gigantic.
And if you want to see how really, really big it is, I just changed my webcam photo to a satellite view of Ivan.
The hole is, you know, the eye of Ivan is so well-defined and so exactly round and so devoid of anything in the middle that you can look down through the eye and see ocean.
It's such a powerful storm, it's hard to imagine.
And of course, it's bearing down now on an island on the Cayman Islands.
Pray for the people in the Cayman Islands.
165 miles an hour and still building.
They're really going to need your prayers.
In a moment, Tom Casimir, stay right where you are.
How quickly news moves.
All right, Ramona just grabbed this for me from CNN.
It says, North Korea cloud, not a nuclear blast.
Seoul, South Korea.
A large cloud that appeared over North Korea in satellite images several days ago was not the result of a nuclear explosion, according to U.S. officials.
South Korea's news agency is reporting that a huge explosion shook North Korea's northernmost province on Thursday, producing, get this, a mushroom cloud over two miles wide.
So as a quick follow-up to what I said, it appears it's not a nuclear blast, but there is a crater there and a two-mile-wide something that happened.
So we just don't know at this point, and I'll try and keep you informed.
You've invented something called the hydrister, and I guess we're going to talk about that in a moment.
But again, I had an invitation to call, you know, Mr. DeLorean and talk about you.
And I was told that Mr. DeLorean is prepared to accept or incorporate something that you have invented in a car design that he's got coming up or what?
There is a rotor with radially moving vanes that go in and out as the rotor turns, and the design of the power steering pump is something that would have like an elliptical chamber in it.
So as the rotor and vanes turn, the vanes will track the elliptical surface of the hole in this housing.
Okay, so what you've invented then controls by nature the hydraulics.
Is that what we're talking about?
unidentified
That's correct.
It enables you to control a hydraulic, a variable, adjustable hydraulic connection between, let's say, a turning shaft and another shaft which you would like to control the movement of.
It's fascinating that he's going to take off and do it again.
Anyway, you've worked in a lot of areas, rockets, for example, and you actually designed something that went to the moon on the LEMS?
unidentified
That had to do with a circuit that I was presented with while I was at Fendix as a summer student.
And there were something like 38 components in that circuit.
And because of the need to have the circuit operate at a very cold temperature, about 160 degrees centigrade below zero, the circuit would not function and it wouldn't start the rocket, therefore.
So I was able to cut it down to seven components, and it would start at 190 degrees below zero.
It reduces a little bit the temperature because the heat radiates off into space.
However, there's a lot of heat contained in the air.
Now, there are commercial systems available called Freon heat pumps.
And a Freon heat pump is a form of air conditioner which can be used to capture low-grade heat and direct it to a place of your choosing so you can do something with it.
Well, you would have a radiator which exchanges the energy from the air into a very cold freon.
It warms up the freon, which then is circulated into a pump.
The freon is compressed, and the compressed freon gets very hot because the same quantity of heat is forced into a much smaller volume and the temperature goes up.
So we'll kind of monitor this phone line and see what happens here, but I'm a little concerned about it.
So anyway, is there enough heat in the atmosphere to efficiently heat, and I guess that's the key word here, is the amount of efficiency and translation of heat you can get to energy, right?
unidentified
Yes.
Commercial heat pumps are used to replace, for example, electric heat in a home.
It is indeed, and we could not get a good line with Tom Casmer, so we're going to reschedule the interview, and we're going to do some open lines.
We just called back and had actually the worst line than we had the first time.
So I guess maybe we'll work on the switchboard there or something.
I don't know.
Anyway, we'll reschedule that interview.
In the meantime, you know what we'll do?
We'll talk.
That's right.
Open lines.
You have to be, when you're a talk show host, you have to be somewhat able to proceed with anything that comes up.
And I am, so we'll do it.
A South Florida businessman says he's going to try to reduce the strength of Hurricane Ivan.
By the way, have you seen the webcam picture of Ivan?
Holy smokes.
That's just a monster.
Now, I know I'm a weather nut, and I spend a lot of time watching the tropical updates at 50 minutes past the hour on the weather channel.
I'm just nutty like that, but this one's incredible.
Incredible.
And so here's this businessman who says he's going to try to reduce the strength of Hurricane Ivan.
Get this, folks, by flying a Boeing 747 into the edge of the hurricane and dumping thousands of pounds of an absorbent material into Ivan.
Peter Cordani of Jupiter, I guess Jupiter, Florida, plans to try to knock the storm down by one or maybe two categories by dropping tons of powder that absorbs 3,000 to 4,000 times its own weight.
So they're going to try and absorb it away.
He's chief operating officer of Dynomat, a company that sells environmental absorbient products such as mats for mechanics.
He believes his product, SK-1000, would cause a shearing action and a 15-degree cooling of the storm.
Isn't that interesting?
He's been working on his plan for five years now, has assembled a team of experts, including two former astronauts, Moonwalker Edgar Mitchell, really, and Scott McLeod, who's tested the lunar module.
Wow.
And then I got this, and I thought this would be worth our discussion, perhaps, a little bit.
It was just an email from a listener, but it hit home.
Dear Art, first it was The Day After Tomorrow, our movie, right?
The Day After Tomorrow about climate change.
Then Suspect Zero about technical remote viewing.
And you know who's in that, right?
Of course, at Dames.
And now the upcoming White Noise starring Michael Keaton about EVP, electronic voice phenomena.
Have you heard about that movie?
It's called White Noise, and it's about EVP.
And Robert says, you know, I've got the impression that a lot of producers out there are looking at what's popular on Coast to Coast AM and then decide what their next move ought to be.
And, well, it's kind of true, isn't it, that what gets discussed on this program inevitably lately seems to show up on the big screen.
He's right.
The day after tomorrow.
We've been on that for years and no less on it right now, by the way.
Suspect Zero, Adams, big movie, right?
And it is a big movie, incidentally.
And now, White Noise, which is about electronic voice phenomena.
As you know, I have guests all the time who bring recordings to us that, and I've listened very carefully, and these recordings are too good not to be the real McCoy.
They are the real McCoy.
These are voices from somewhere else.
Dare I say the other side?
Well, my guests do, and I think it probably is the other side, but it could be another dimension.
It could be a lot of things, but it does seem like it's the, to me, it's the voice of the dead we're hearing.
And now, a movie called White Noise about the voice of the dead.
Voice us, make it plural.
We'll be right back.
Open lines, coming right up.
anything you want to talk about fair game.
you Boy, I don't know.
New York Times, atomic activity in North Korea raises concerns.
Washington, September 11th.
President Bush and his top advisors have received intelligence reports in recent days describing a confusing series of actions by North Korea that some experts believe could indicate the country is preparing to conduct its first test explosion of a nuclear weapon.
So, you know, this explosion, I know they're saying non-nuclear, but you put that together with the New York Times story here, and you've got to wonder, I wonder what they've done, or did they have some awful, horrible accident there?
By the way, somebody says, hey, all right, your webcam shows a toad.
Well, it did show a toad.
Now it shows, if it's caught up, the latest satellite photograph of Ivan.
This is an incredible, incredible hurricane.
So check it out.
That's all the way from the satellite.
It gives you kind of a humbling feeling when you look at the size of this god-forsaken monster storm.
And you look at the land, and You look at the storm and you look at the land and you say, Holy mackerel, this thing's about to hit the caimans, which are virtually a dot compared to any of what you're seeing there.
Can you even imagine being on an island and having something like that bearing down on you?
Just a thought that the first episode of Dead Like Me was found by accident, and as I was watching it, I thought there's enough firemen, ambulance attendants, nurses, and policemen that'll probably make the thing go regardless of who else likes it.
So, you know, that one possible aspect of it might be weather control.
So I wonder if they try.
I wonder with something this catastrophic, like Ivan, Category 5, headed for somewhere in the U.S., and if it hit as strong as it is right now, there would be a real catastrophe, sir.
So this would be considered emergency conditions, I would think.
unidentified
It would be a good testing ground to see if they could stop it.
You know what, actually, we're laughing at that, but that might be the thing to do because, you see, hurricanes are a way of the Earth balancing out some heat problems that it has.
That's what hurricanes actually do.
They balance things out.
So it's like if you stopped them, you'd be screwing, excuse me, you'd be fooling with Mother Nature in ways that you ought not, perhaps.
But making it go round and round and round in the ocean until it pooped out, that might work.
unidentified
Well, with any luck, I'd hope that somebody might give it a try to diffuse some of this because it's causing more than enough havoc.
And by the way, I certainly cannot say that it's harp, but there is a mysterious signal that's been appearing in the 7 megahertz region, about 72.30, actually.
And it's a strange signal.
Again, I'm not suggesting it's harp, but it's harp-like in some ways.
Instead of being a single carrier, for those of you who follow this kind of thing, it's several signals appearing on this frequency.
And harp indeed has been very active.
We've been recording it.
You should hear, you should hear some of the weird sounds.
I'm sorry I don't have a recorded bit of harp here for you, but boy, it makes some odd sounds.
I'm not so sure that you should have let go of those.
Some of those are historic, and I think they may belong, you know, like with the ARRL or some organization that would, you know, some of them are so old and so rare that they ought to be preserved by more than just an individual like me.
unidentified
Well, I couldn't think of anybody else better to send them to than to you.
I want to discourage people from sending keepsakes.
Anyway, thank you.
Anything else?
unidentified
Well, I wanted to talk about two instances that happened in the past and see what you think about them.
Back in the, it was either the late fall of 97 or the spring of 98, I was standing in the kitchen up at the house and looking out the back window into a field, and I saw these men all in black going into the corner of the field, and they had dug up something.
And you know, you should have had a camera and taken a picture of, I mean, it's not everyday men in black dig something up near you and take it away.
Oh, my God.
unidentified
No, it's not.
And then the other instance was back probably in 75, I want to say, that there was a prototype system located in Berlin, Massachusetts that developed, it was a hovercraft.
Well, I'm still not totally clear on what's happening here.
You say...
Most people can.
It's called an imagination.
unidentified
Right, and daydreaming, but it's not Audible in your head.
I mean, it's audible 24-7.
It's just that if there's background noise, I can't really hear it, but it's there.
Constantly.
And I'd like to think I'm normal, but I just, you know, if anything else, just inspire one of your open-minded callers and your open lines to expound upon this or expand or whatever, because I'd like to think it's something that other people experience.
One of the world's top volcano experts, Professor McGuire from London, is saying that the Yellowstone super volcano probably will be going off soon and it will kill everything within 500 or 600 miles of it.
So I think it's extremely important we try to find out when.
So I just wonder if you could ask Major Ed Bames and maybe eight or ten other remote viewers and psychics their best estimate as to when so we could possibly try to save millions of lives.
Yeah, I've heard that if it did go off, if Yellowstone were to erupt the way it once did, that the number of people dead would be, as you suggest, hundreds of miles and millions of people.
And that's a chilly little subject.
But yeah, sure, it's a perfect subject for a remote viewer.
unidentified
Yeah, so if you're going to ask a consensus of them, not only just Ed Vanes, but Steven Schwartz and a few others that you could get a hold of and other psychics, if people could know when, you know, that might be a big help in saving millions of lives.
I don't understand where the thinkers have gone from SETI.
How hard would it be if there's an intelligent civilization out there that they could put a transmitter somewhere else that might be moving at the speed that that thing's moving at away from, like they say, it's moving something like 10,000 miles per hour in one direction and then suddenly shifting.
How hard would that be to put a radio transmitter up on top of another planet or on a moon that might be circling them at that speed?
I don't know if you've been following the SETI story, but I've mentioned it.
In fact, I certainly read the story last week and knew about it the prior week and read a little something.
But yes, they have detected a signal, and then they're sort of saying, well, no, it could be this, or it could be internal electronics in the telescope, some little noise generated in the telescope, or a lot of things.
But an awful lot of people have now detected it.
It's been, what, two or three times, and they're looking for six times before they declare genuine excitement.
It's a story worth following.
And with regard to, oh, Art, we'll get the information out right away, which is what Seth always told me, right?
It's not exactly, or I guess Seth would argue, yes, it is.
It's happening that way.
See, they're running stories on it.
Yes, but what kind of stories?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi, radio beautifully going off.
Art, this is Jason.
I'm in Los Angeles, and I'm calling from the mighty...
Now, I've got a lot of information on the antenna, and not a lot, not as much as I ought to.
For example, we just went through terrible storms here in the desert tonight.
I was afraid to put on the headphones when I first came on the program.
Yeah, oh, yeah, we had lightning flying everywhere.
You know, really a wild night.
And my antenna, of course, is grounded out for fear of a bolt coming right in here to the room.
No kidding.
But even under normal time, sir, there remains voltage unexplained on my antenna, a very significant, large amount of voltage, enough to knock you right on your butt.
And we're going to explore that.
I've got to get the right kind of instruments here and so on and so forth.
But we're going to look into that.
And trust me, I'll keep you informed.
unidentified
Art, do you think that you found an over-unity device in your own backyard?
Well, a lot of people approach me and they ask me exactly that.
And look, I don't know if there's enough current to really support anything or if I've stumbled into something that is sort of a partial thing and maybe there's a much more efficient way to extract energy from the atmosphere with some variation of what I'm doing.
But when I watched the coverage and the airplanes going into the buildings on CNN earlier today, it's like I could only take about a minute of it.
And I said, you know, this is too much.
And so I'm just curious whether other people feel that way.
unidentified
Kind of like it's so emotional that when you see it, it's like, I was only listening to the radio because I was working, but even that was, it's too evocative of I just keep going back to that day, that morning when I heard about it from a call from a girlfriend of mine.
And it was horrifying.
She was horrified, and it just set me into it.
And I saw it when the second plane went in.
And it was just, it's terrible.
I mean, it's a terrible, terrible thing.
And it's a very, very sad day to pass through it.
But maybe it'll make us stronger by going through it every day, one step forward in the future.
And, you know, we should talk, perhaps we should talk, about the current political situation, in a sense.
To me, it looks like Kerry's campaign is imploding.
I wonder if you have that same sense.
And he's campaigning on these war records and all the rest of it when, you know, we were in a discussion last night about this, and he's kind of imploding because he doesn't have much of a message.
Kerry doesn't seem to have much of a message.
Anyway, one that seems to be resonating with the people.
And I wonder why he's not doing more of an anti-war campaign.
I wonder why he's not challenging the president in that specific arena.
Instead of arguing about old military records, which I don't think is going to move the American people one way or the other in the end, you've got to wonder why he hasn't made it about the war.
Unless he's supportive of the war.
Anyway, watching the whole campaign unfold in front of our eyes is kind of interesting.
And watching what's going on right now is kind of interesting.
I'm very much interested in politics, but not particularly interested in either one of the candidates to be not on fire about either one of the candidates.
I love political elections where I can really be on fire about a candidate.
But in this particular election, I'm just not on fire either way.
I'm sort of sitting back and watching it in a kind of a detached way.
And I don't know if I want to be in contact with her.
That show is honest to God.
Well, it scared me.
That show scared me.
And it should have scared.
You heard it, obviously, right?
well or how could you not be scared by a woman who would see her child go to hell do everything she could see to it that i'm trying to find Oh, my God.
My devil guy didn't stick around, and his line filled right back up again.
So maybe I'll never know.
But I suspect that he was not being quite level with us.
Although there were the aspects that caused me to hold him over, try to hold him over anyway, of the possibility of it.
Now, the young lady that I had on the program that he was referring to, she was the real McCoy.
She was so scary, that caused my skin to crawl.
And many of you, of course, will not remember that program.
But this is a young lady who is devoted to Lucifer, so devoted to Lucifer that she guaranteed me she would do everything in her power to see to it that her own child went straight to hell.
I mean, it was, you would have had to have heard it and heard her voice to know how sincere she was.
It was just, it was almost too much.
First time caller line, you're on air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hey, Art, I wanted to play a game of make-believe with you.
I think exactly what he's done, and he's basically, I believe, said that Russia will now go after terrorists wherever they are in the world.
That implies that Russia will take preemptive unilateral action to go into any country in the world where they think there are terrorists and take them out.
unidentified
Well, I say good for them.
I think what they could do first and do the world a favor is go in and take out that nuclear reactor before Israel does or we do.
In fact, you may recall that the Russians at various times, challenged to be as awful as they could be, lived up to every minute of it.
When Russians were kidnapped, the Russian KGB or whatever agency in Russia had a number of the terrorists killed and sent their body parts back to those who were holding Russians for ransom.
And I think, if I remember correctly, they were promptly released.
The Russians play real hard, and they've been hit terribly.
I mean, if you can imagine 200 children and then, what, another hundred and some odd adults destroyed, killed in that attack.
I believe Russia, and I believe that they will do exactly what they have said they will do, and it could cause a number of international problems.
It's hard to go marching into another country and just go after people, but that's exactly what they're going to do.
We live in very dangerous times.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
Thanks for taking my call.
Sure.
I've called three or four times before, talked to George, and relayed some UFO stories and time warp stories.
What I want to relay now is something I find more important, especially being that it's September 12th.
These are my political views.
I have three little things I want to mention here.
I'll try to go as quickly as I can.
Thank you, sir.
I think it is extremely important, first and foremost, to complete a viable fence that stretches along the Mexican-U.S.
Let's get some big concrete slabs, barbed wire, throw her down, put the money in it.
Let's stop wasting money on A, a drug war I find is not in complete best interest of the American public.
And B, pork barrel politics, money put into finding out what type of peanuts Americans prefer, you know, and stop not only illegal aliens from crossing over, but it seems now the Middle Eastern people are taking the notion of it's easy to, hey, let's just cross over.
I wonder what everybody else thinks about the concept of a fence all the way along our southern border.
Do you really think such an idea would fly?
I don't think so.
I think probably parallels would be made to the Berlin Wall and that sort of thing.
And I'm not sure that even with the fence, while it might certainly stop some drug traffic, make it tougher on the drug traffickers, it would mostly stop the average, for example, Mexican or South American trying to make it across our border to better their lives.
It would stop them, but would it stop somebody intent on doing us real harm?
I don't think so.
I think they would still find a way to do it.
So offense might be seen by the rest of the world in a pretty ugly way, but that's a small point.
If we needed it, then so be it.
I just think it would stop mostly the poor illegal aliens who want to make it over here to earn a better living and would not stop those who wish us dead.
The first thing I saw suggested it might have been a nuclear explosion.
However, a CNN story I just read said it definitely is not a nuclear explosion, and yet, you know, there's a cloud there that would suggest nuclear, and there's a, I guess, a hole in the ground that would suggest it might have been something as extensive as a nuclear bomb.
Well, no, there's no time or problem here for me with 9-11.
I understand what you're suggesting, but no, it wasn't 100 years ago.
It was just a few years ago, sir.
And again, I really am curious how many of the rest of you have seen the coverage that began yesterday, actually even a previous day, of the 9-11 events.
And I'm wondering how you reacted to them, seeing them again.
You know, mostly in between, we've stopped showing pictures of the planes going into the buildings.
But, of course, yesterday, for obvious reasons, CNN picked it up again and began doing it.
And I reacted very strongly to it, very strongly, strongly enough that I said to myself, and I know my wife did too, you know, I can't watch this again.
It kind of puts you back into it again.
I understand it's very important.
And believe me, I'll never forget September 11.
Never, ever.
But to get yourself back in that emotional state, maybe it's too soon for that kind of thing for some of us.
I work over in Hollywood also, but when I was driving home, like probably in the East Hollywood area, or like Eastern, there was like an orange glowing light in the sky.
It was pretty big from what I could see when I was pretty far away from it.
As I got a little bit closer to where I live, it was probably about a quarter mile away, and I could actually start to see the structure of it.
I mean, it looked like it was huge.
It probably looked about the length of a football field.
You know, everywhere else in the country, this would be a startling thing.
But when you're in Hollywood, for starters, I mean, if you look up in the sky and see something really weird, you've got to remember you're in Hollywood.
But you think, I mean, Hollywood's a big place, right?
LA all around it and everything.
Huge.
So millions of people would see something the size of what you're talking about.
unidentified
Right, that's what I was expecting.
That's really what I was calling about, to see if anyone else had seen it.
Because I was actually, like, a couple nights before, I was out in Malibu also, and I saw something similar to it, but it was so far away I couldn't tell.
I mean, it was like miles away.
It was like out off the coast of Malibu, probably like 10 miles away.
You don't think it could have been some Hollywood stunt?
unidentified
I'm pretty sure it wasn't.
I mean, from what I could see, it definitely looked like it was huge.
I mean, it had a lot of, like, you could see the structure of it, and it honestly, it looked like Saturn or something had come down and it was sitting in our atmosphere, you know?
Well, we'll ask the rest of the audience if anybody else has seen such a thing.
But assuming that you did see an alien craft, you know, it brings up the question of what we're listening for if they're already here with regard to SETI, right?
And you know what they'd say if they were here?
SETI, that is.
They'd say, well, there is no proof.
Well, many millions of all of you, many millions of Americans now, have seen these craft.
Many millions, as Chad does, believe that they are alien craft.
And so, you know, it begs a lot of questions.
I mean, what are they doing here?
Why are they observing us?
Why are they taking cows and mutilating them?
And right now, it does really look as though it is them that does that sort of thing.
We certainly have not explained it.
Some of the crop circles, no question, done by others.
So why are they here?
What do they want?
Well, it's been my view that nothing good necessarily as far as we're concerned.
And that's another subject we could cover tonight if you would like to.
And that is the intent of those who are watching us, observing us, or, I don't know, tugging on our strings as though we were marionettes causing us to do what they want us to do.
Or do you think the whole thing is baloney?
I don't know.
That's one of the reasons we're here in the middle of the night talking to all of you, trying to figure out the answers, the real answers to those questions.
I'm Art Bell, and the program is Coast to Coast AM.
Right now, it's sconced tightly in open lines.
right where you are.
unidentified
Mississippi in the middle of a dry spell Jimmy Rogers on the victor up high Mama's dancing today Baby, on a shoulder.
Start a step, my last guy.
Everything is a very important city.
Hey, I look at you, I can see the real time Cause it surely took me out of my world, I won't lie Suddenly I just fall
apart, without a gun When you find that you love the truth you do, I Cause you gotta turn around, you know, take care of us So you better beware of One day you're
up, you turn around You find your world, it's coming down It happened to me, and it can happen to you I was so, I felt so good I can not turn around Wanna take a ride?
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Boy, there's hornet's nests all over the place, and some of the other hornets have nuclear weapons and stuff like that, so we've got a lot of cleaning to do.
unidentified
I don't think they're finished.
When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, and we only visit that once a year, which is a shame, we went straight after them.
and they don't like us at all yeah and our president Korea is going to be a whole other situation because our previous president before this one just went to bed with him and said, whatever you do is fine.
I think, for one thing, because of that last caller, it reminds me I decided a week or five ago that there is such a thing as the why-not argument, and I don't care for it.
But at any rate, I think, fortunately, I do think there's at least one race of extraterrestrials who is trying to make sure that we don't destroy ourselves.
In one instance, here in America, the objects hovered above our silos and actually shut down a number of intercontinental ballistic missiles.
Actually shut them down.
This is pretty well documented.
And then in Russia, there were some objects that hovered above Russian military silos back in the bad old days of the Soviet Union and began a launch sequence.
And if that doesn't scare you, there's nothing in this world that will.
So I guess those two arguments might be made, and you might be right.
Perhaps, you know, they're kind of laying a warning on us.
Well, I had a guest once who said exactly that, that we are all, or the majority of us, are aliens.
And he did it in quite a straight-faced way.
I don't know about the light being the mothership waiting to pick up our souls, but there was an awfully interesting story about a translator on the moon.
And I'm trying to recall who told that fairly recently at that, that captured, received, and retransmitted souls.
And of course, many things were told about the aliens seemed to deal with our souls.
Us, all of us, as vessels, and the real contentious point, and that which is being fought for, our souls.
And that also works with the Bible, doesn't it?
Very biblical.
A war over our souls.
International line, you're on the air.
Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified
All right.
Okay.
I've got a question for you about shadow people.
Okay.
I've seen shadow people ever since I was probably four years old.
But it's in a weird...
Like, you know, here I am talking to you.
I see a shadow person.
It's always in a lucid dream.
Oh.
And when I was a small child, I had this really strange dream, and I saw the shadow people.
I said there were, like, hundreds of them, and they were calling my name.
And then, yeah, it was really freaky.
And I woke up and I was just in my bed or whatever.
But later on in life, I was 18 years old.
And I'd fallen asleep on the couch in the afternoon and sort of had an out-of-body experience, I guess.
And in my dream, a shadow person was coming towards me.
And I woke up and I was in that out-of-body state where you can't hardly move, I guess.
I don't know what to tell you, except shadow people, the whole concept of it, somehow came alive on this program, as it frequently does.
Just one person makes one call and describes one thing, and that ignites millions of people out there who have had the same experience.
That's how we know when we're on to something here.
The mailbox just lights up.
And that, of course, is what occurred with shadow people.
And it's kind of been an ongoing topic ever since.
Not exactly ghosts, not exactly spirits conjured on a Ouija board or anything like that, but a whole different class of beings known as the Shadow People.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm just very quickly, this is Joe from South Texas, Nelson.
Somewhat long-time listener, just have two points, not necessarily points, but actually something I'd like to talk to you about.
Yes.
Just very quickly, some years ago you had a guest on and I caught the butt end of it.
I'm interested in Tomb Raiding.
Well, just the game and the idea.
I don't know if you I'm sure you remember some guy about tomb raiding that he would be very well armed and so on.
Well, that's a good question, to which I don't have a good answer.
I don't maintain contact really with any of these people, nor do I know how to contact them.
So I depend on contact from people of that sort.
And toward that end, the way to reach me in the modern world is the way to reach most everybody these days.
Email does the trick.
So if you're a very unusual person of that sort and you would like to reach me, you can do so at the following addresses, artbell at mindspring.com or artbell at aol.com.
Let me give those again, artbell at aol.com or artbell at mindspring.com.
I wonder if the computer and the Internet itself could be the Antichrist.
What if the Antichrist is not actually an entity or a person or something that becomes flesh and blood, but rather a whole thing, like the computer and the Internet and the whole schmear?
What if it's the Antichrist?
What if that connectivity, that virtual web, turns out to be the communications device for the Antichrist?
Well, you know, it's very apparent that one of the things we're not taking consideration is there's a time element or a clock that seems to be ticking that somebody else, maybe in the government or globally, are aware of, and the clock may have to do with something that we're totally not in control of,
like asteroid maybe is going to be in collision with the Earth, and perhaps aliens have been sent here for one simple reason, to take samples of everything that's on Earth in the event that we have complete catastrophic destruction of the Earth itself.
So you think then, obviously, that if something catastrophic is about to occur, no matter what it would be, whether our own hand nuclear war or a gigantic life-ending rock sailing at us from space, that they'd come in, intervene, and save our butts, right?
unidentified
Well, and not particularly.
What if we already knew what the future was going to foretell?
And what if the alien contact is based on something that's going to happen in the near future that's already that people that our government is aware of?
And what if the government is working in compliance with alien contact in order to actually save the physical specimens for everything that's on earth?
From the high desert in the middle of the night, doing what we do best.
I'm Mark Bell.
unidentified
I'm Mark Bell.
Happy and I'm fine.
Oh, my God.
Don't be a motion for the life of me.
Remember Saturday I know they say let me Just don't work out that way The course of a lifetime runs Over and over again But I would not give you false hope From the strange and
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Hey, you remember the guy who's a Satan worshipper?
Said he was anyway.
Well, maybe his masters intervened because he's managed to get through again, so he'll be right back.
If I recall properly, and I think that I do, as we were at the point we were disconnected, this caller was telling us that he was going to get into the church.
See if he's there.
Are you there, Caller?
I are.
unidentified
Sorry about that.
Listen, when I was on hold before, it went for like some kind of a default message.
what would have been real impressive if you'd been there.
Well, I know that, but I'm asking, what would have impressed you if you'd or how would you have impressed me or the audience if you'd been a guest as a Satan worshiper?
unidentified
Well, I would have come at things probably from far more of a non-atheistic, less material reductionist view.
It was a sect of the Amish or something, but he was calling them the Minnamites.
And I thought that was a rather unique name, and it was a unique show to begin, to take the position that you're going to minimize everything technical in your life.
And we live in an extremely technical society.
Not something I'd likely do, but hearing about it was absolutely fascinating.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Hello, Art.
This is Joseph.
I live in the land of fire and ice out here in New Mexico.
It was about I forget the name of this drug they was talking about that they know I've done a number of shows on it too sure.
It's a legitimate question, I think.
How many of the people who have seen these creatures, these entities, these, if you want to call them shadow people, that's fine, whatever.
But how many people, and then beyond that, if the majority of the answers were yes, I used something, then would you conclude that it's a door, that it opens a door to that sort of phenomena, or that it explains the phenomena itself, that they were taking some sort of hallucinatory drug?
Many would say, well, okay, then fine.
That simply explains the whole thing, but maybe not.
Well, and one of the reasons we're doing that is because we are at war, and wars cost a hell of a lot of money.
unidentified
Yes, and I thought of something.
I was a Republican until last month when I changed the Independence, largely because of this president.
And I was thinking to myself, you know, you don't have to really like John Kerry a lot to just decide, like sometimes you're working with a piece of equipment and you just decide, well, I've tried this, I've tried that.
Let's just hit the reset button.
And that's kind of what I think people should do in the sense of President Bush.
He doesn't really seem to do things competently, even if he chose something such as the course of action in Iraq, which I disagreed with and you disagreed with.
But I feel that even if you decide to do that and it's the wrong course of action, once you've done it, you should do it competently and you shouldn't do it.
Like Rumsfeld encouraged looting.
He made a speech and he says, free people loot, free people make mistakes, we shouldn't shoot the looters.
And that sort of started the whole country on the Iraqis on a sense that they could defy us.
And it proved that they could defy us.
And I feel that we've just got to sort of hit the reset button in this presidency, try something else.
My wife and I earlier saw somebody had written on the side of a building somewhere before they evacuated the names of the two hurricanes and then finally this one and then goodbye.
We're out of here.
I mean, a lot of people, I think, finally are throwing up their hands and saying, I'm going to go live in Idaho or something.
Well, I named Idaho because it doesn't have anything quite as severe as hurricanes.
There are not too many parts of the country that don't have something awful.
I'm a fan of storm stories on the Weather Channel, and they will endlessly show you the floods we have, the flash floods here in the desert, the F5 tornadoes.
What was it, F5?
Yeah, they had an F5 that they thought almost went to F6.
That's unthinkable.
I mean, just absolutely unthinkable.
300 mile-an-hour wind.
So everywhere in the country has something it has to put up with.
And if you go all the way out west, where you have eternal springtime, say in San Diego, then you have to worry about earthquakes or something.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi, I'm Jennifer, and I'm calling from South Florida.
And I just wanted to call and let you know that the people down in Florida, in South Florida, I've heard you talk tonight about, well, like the previous caller saying something like you wouldn't want to live here.
Yeah, I've got to admit, on long drives through the kind of areas that you're talking about, for me down in Texas a lot, in Arizona, and I do a lot of night driving because I prefer night driving, actually.
And you do see these things off in the distance that you never seem to get closer to.
And they just sort of hang there and twinkle at you.
It's really weird.
I know what you're talking about.
But I have no idea what it is.
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Two other points.
One, can you tell us where we can find out more information about that tape that you played of the noises in the holes in Siberia?
But if the Kerry campaign really implodes in the next few weeks, as many people, not just yourself, lots of people are saying that it's really falling apart.
If that happens, there's still a lot of people that really want to voice some sort of opposition to the direction that our country's going in.
I mean, it's something you can, I suppose, do as sort of a protest.
And that's what it is, kind of a protest.
The whole election thing this year is very interesting from a number of points of view.
Anyway, listen, we'll be back tomorrow night when hopefully we'll have a very good connection with Lynn McTaggart, tomorrow night's guest, from the high desert in the middle of the night.