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Sept. 11, 2004 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Tom Kasmer - The Hydristor & Open Lines

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	so so
	from the high desert in the great american southwest i bid you all good evening good
	morning good afternoon wherever you may be in the world's 25 known time zones all covered like a
	blanket by this program close to go zam i I'm Art Bell, honored, privileged to be with you through the weekend.
	And in a moment, what an adventure we are going to have.
	You know, it's not that often, I guess, that I get to be a real I'm a fan, you know, an actual fan, real fan of another show, but there's a program I've been telling you about week in and week out called Dead Like Me, and I'm a fan.
	I mean, there's no two ways about it.
	I'm a big fan.
	It's on Showtime, and we're going to talk with one of the stars of that program, Ellen Mouffe, and Hank Cohen, who is none other than, like the guy in charge, president of MGM Television Entertainment.
	Big time.
	All right, just very quickly here at the beginning of the program, the photograph on my webcam on the website coastcoastam.com is of a frog here in the desert in my, well, on my back porch.
	He's taken up residence here, and I went out and took a photograph of him last night.
	That is good luck, I am told.
	Bad luck is the storms we're having in the desert right now.
	Oh, we're having some wickedly, wickedly Big storms and lightning is flashing all around us out here.
	I have a feeling Death Valley is filling up out there.
	I don't know.
	Bad storms here in the desert and bad storms in the Caribbean.
	I have now 910 millibars.
	910 millibars!
	That's like one of the five worst in all of history and I'm going to put a shot up on the webcam of that after a while.
	But in a moment, in the first hour, We're going to talk with Hank Cohen and Ellen Muth all
	about a program I love, I love, called Dead Like Me, coming right up.
	Even from the time I began to see the previews for the program Dead Like Me on Showtime,
	my wife and I both said, oh man, that's for us, right down our alley.
	And it would be right down your alley, too, if you haven't seen it yet.
	Trust me on this one, as I've been saying for weeks and weeks.
	So now, here I think, and I hope, is Hank Cohen, who's none other than president of MDM Television Entertainment.
	Hey, Hank.
	Hey, Art.
	How are you?
	I'm great.
	Where are you, Hank?
	I am at home, in the valley.
	Okay, and let's see if we can... Here she is, the star of that program.
	The main star, I guess.
	Ellen Muth, who plays Georgia on Dead Like Me.
	Ellen, are you there?
	Okay, you're really kind of light.
	You're going to have to almost scream at us, Ellen.
	Okay.
	But let's throw the first question to Hank.
	Hank, for those in my audience, and that would be some number perhaps, who have not yet seen Dead Like Me, how would you describe the program?
	Well, first of all, Art, I'd like to take the opportunity while we're on the show to thank you for all the nice words.
	It's funny, this is one show, you know, when you're An executive, you love all your shows, but this one in particular, I just, I think it's so special, and I think it speaks to so many people on an emotional level that I am very, very proud of it, and I appreciate your support.
	You have every right to be proud of it.
	It's something different, and there's so much that's just sort of the same old junk on TV that this is so different.
	So, I mean, how would you describe it to someone who isn't?
	Yeah, you know, it's hard.
	I would say it's darkly comedic.
	I think it's insightful.
	I think it's emotional.
	And I think that it takes someone to watch it and get by the surface and penetrate, you know, go underneath what the show is really talking about.
	And if you really look hard enough, the show is always about, I think death is sort of a metaphor for second chances.
	Well, in this case, it certainly is.
	Yeah.
	No, I mean on the show.
	Sure.
	No, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Describe your character.
	If I were to have to describe you, I'd say sort of a pouty, reluctantly rebellious reaper.
	I only have pouty lips.
	That's what I've been told.
	It's interesting that question you just asked, Peg, because it really can't be described in one or two categories, you know.
	It's not a science fiction, but it's not a comedy, and it's not A drama.
	It's kind of everything combined.
	And my character starts out as being very, you know, depressed and has problems with authority.
	And this season, season two, she's changed a lot for the better and, um, come to terms with, you know, her sexuality and who she is and, um, and she's just, she keeps on growing, which is odd for a Grim Reaper because most of the time You know, they stop growing and they just stay where they were when they died.
	But George really is growing.
	Well, it seems like whether it's movies or television, the people who have the greatest success actually usually kind of share some characteristics with the character they play in real life.
	Right.
	Is there some of that here?
	It's funny you should ask that because I've been asked that before and I've found that I have a very deadpan sense of humor, but in terms of her family dynamics, that I can't relate to.
	But as far as her actual personality, I would say that I am very deadpan and sarcastic and I do have, actually, trouble with authority.
	That would be Hank in this case.
	Not with Hank.
	I was just about to say, not with Hank, though.
	Oh, of course not.
	He doesn't boss me around.
	Oh, that's good.
	In fact, a lot of times it's the other way around.
	In the first season, your character, Ellen, George, had sort of a dead side.
	Sort of a doped out looking George, and I don't see that in the second season, right?
	No.
	It's just the pretty George in the second season.
	Yeah, she's starting to accept, you know.
	Art, one thing, I know you asked that to Ellen, but I think our producers, John Macias and Stephen Gottschall, who write and run the show, have done a great job this year, because you know, so many times in television, Shows come along and you really like the show the first season, and it's pretty much virtually the same characters for five years.
	I think from one season to the next, our characters have grown so much, which people do in real life, and I think it's odd that a show that... I don't think anyone would argue that we don't have proof that there really are Grim Reapers out running around there, so it is somewhat fantasy.
	But the growth of our characters from one season to the next has been enormous.
	And I think people really do grow that way.
	And I think it reflects real life.
	And I think George last year was struggling with sort of, you know, her passing.
	I think this year she's struggling with living.
	And I think it's a throwback to where she was before the toilet seat hit her.
	Well, sure.
	That's also one difference.
	You know, Ellen, you forgot to point out that between the real life Ellen and George is that when the
	toilet seat hit you and you were real life Ellen, we just wounded you, it didn't kill you.
	This is crazy.
	It's, again, there's got to be a lot of Georgia actually in you because you play it too well.
	Or maybe that's just something that a...
	Maybe I'm just a good actress.
	I can't believe it.
	Maybe you're just a good actress, that's right.
	Now, there's some of that in you, for sure.
	Oh yeah, definitely.
	What's the set atmosphere like, Ellen?
	It's great.
	I mean, I've never worked with a crew and cast that I have no complaints over at all.
	I love everyone and everyone in the production and it's funny because You get us together in the Waffle House and, um, everyone's just joking around and singing and hopes to keep it very light.
	And, um, because it is a dark show.
	It's a dark comedy.
	And, um, you need to take that break, you know, from the show and get into reality.
	And it's really funny if, um, you were to ever see the gag reel.
	We're always goofing around, you know, before The actual scene starts.
	Yeah, I'd really like to see that.
	When does that get released?
	The gag reel?
	Does it ever get released?
	I don't think so.
	You just gave me an idea, Art.
	Don't these things occasionally and finally leak out somewhere?
	Sometimes in the DVDs they do.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Who thinks up... I mean, the deaths are incredible.
	I remember, like, the surfboard, the guy dancing on the bar, you know, the banana peel, and then the guy's head crushed in the door.
	Who in the world thinks all this stuff up?
	I asked the writers that, and they actually have sessions that aren't even story or character sessions, just death stunt sessions.
	How can we kill somebody?
	Yeah, they really do focus, and then they try and write to the stunt.
	You know, you said this yourself, I mean, Dead Like Me walks...
	A really, really fine line.
	I mean, just sort of walking up to the edge of sacrilege, I suppose, for some who view it.
	You know, I mean, stealing from the dead kind of thing.
	And I wonder how that line is walked.
	That must be a real fine line.
	I think it's a fine line.
	One of the things that I think is so interesting about the show, while it is supposedly, I guess, at its core about death, I think People that watch it and a lot of people have said this to me and in fact my nephew who even had a chance last year to read a couple of scripts before we shot him he said you know and he had seen a couple of the episodes as well he said it's funny this show makes me a little less afraid to die.
	Yeah.
	And I think it really does do that because it you know even what we tried to convey in the main title and I think it's a really cool main title is you know what death is all around us it's it's there just as much as you know when we go to work and when we and we play basketball and when we eat lunch and when we're on the bus It is everywhere, but it's just a part of life, so let's get on with it, and let's not make it this big monster that some people, you know, unfortunately, or, you know, rightfully so, whatever, do, because it is just, it's natural and it's going to happen.
	Yeah, that sounds quite true, isn't it?
	The show sort of, I don't know, you come away with the impression that, look, every second you're here, it could happen.
	You know, death can happen any time, any way, in the most unexpected way, at the most unexpected time.
	So make it count while you have your chance to live.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, that's right.
	George... George... Ellen.
	I'm sorry.
	See, that's what fans do.
	Ellen, do you believe in the... Do you think there's an afterlife?
	It's funny you should ask that, because that's probably the one question that I get asked.
	More than any other.
	Yeah.
	And, um, you know, it's one of those things that, you know, you can't really figure it out.
	So I can't really say yes I do or no I don't because you don't know unless it happens until you die.
	And, um, I'd like to say yes.
	But you don't know.
	Right.
	Exactly.
	And it's one of the unmentionables because you really don't know.
	I interview real life people here all the time.
	Who have died on the operating table, that kind of thing, and have gone to the other side and seen it, or gone part way to the other side, and these are real serious people, you know, older people who have had heart attacks or transplants or whatever, and they actually died on the operating table, and they tell all these similar, incredible similar stories.
	Right.
	And so, I'm kind of like you, but I'm leaning toward, it does seem like there might I would say it's a dark comedy.
	with the show is going to keep exploring.
	It's a comedy.
	It is dark somewhat.
	And it's also about the supernatural.
	So it's many things, isn't it?
	But what?
	Most of all, comedy, I guess?
	I would say it's a dark comedy.
	Usually when people ask me, what is it about?
	Or what kind of surface does it have?
	I say it's a dark comedy.
	And it's interesting what you said about the people on the operating table and how they died, you know, whether it be for a minute or two minutes, because I've heard, you know, people who try to commit suicide actually go to this very dark place where they see, like, things like gravelings, pretty much.
	Gravelings, that's right, from the show.
	And then people who die from natural causes and then come back Remember a light, you know, in a tunnel.
	And it's very interesting because it's kind of saying, you know, if you die happy, then what you get is happiness.
	But if you die in a dark, morbid sense, that's what you get as well.
	Ellen, remember the episode where you guys were having to monitor people's, quote, last thought?
	Yes.
	It was such a great episode because when they categorized them, It was like 75% of people, the last thought they had was a regret.
	Right.
	So the whole point was, you know what, don't regret.
	Live your life and do what it is you're setting out to do and don't wish you had done it.
	That's another thing, isn't it?
	I mean, almost every show has a really strong moral message.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And you know, they do it without you even knowing that you're getting the message until you think back on it.
	I think we entertain first, which I think the more successful shows and movies do, but when you think back on it, you realize it.
	These writers are so good, and the actors too, obviously, but setting it up early on, kind of what it's going to be about, and then you just enjoy the story, and at the end it all ties up.
	Not in a pretty bow, but just in a full circle sort of way.
	There's one show that really, really sticks out in my mind.
	I was, at the time, retired.
	I'd been in and out of radio a bunch of times, and I was getting ready to come back in and do the weekend program for the network.
	And I have a lot of fans, and so I simply went up to a website, and I posted the phrase, mysterious and reassuring.
	They went berserk speculating about when I was coming back and all the rest of it.
	I just fell in love with that phrase, mysterious and reassuring.
	That would be the show where you had the photo album, which was not a scrapbook, and entitled it Mysterious and Reassuring.
	I thought that was such a classic piece while you were going through how these people met their endings.
	Yeah, that was funny.
	Do you ever have any input, Ellen, into how your character plays out her role?
	I mean, do you ever, like, sort of, I don't know, in the middle of the set, say, hey, I wouldn't do that, or I would do that, or let's do this?
	I really have no limits as far as, you know, like, what happens to George, because it's not as though she's alive and she has control over what happens.
	You know, a lot happens.
	that she has no control over because either her boss controls her, which would be Mandy
	Patinkin, or the Gravelings control her, or Dolores Herbig.
	Brown eyes.
	Yeah, that's basically how I feel about what goes on around her.
	She really has no control over it.
	But that's true in everyday life as well.
	Are you a religious person or spiritual?
	I mean, you had quite a bit to say about near death, so this is obviously something you thought about a little bit, Ellen.
	Only because people have asked me so much, and I was trying to figure out what's an interesting answer I could give them.
	And finally I realized, you know, just be honest, and the truth is that I try not to dwell on things that I know I can't have an answer to.
	Do you think most families in America are dysfunctional?
	Disfunctional?
	Oh, absolutely.
	I'm ashamed to say that, but it seems as though everyone I know has some kind of dysfunctional family.
	Obstacles that are basically things that you think you may be able to fix, but you really can't because once your parents get set, they're set in their ways.
	Like my dad is 64 years old, there's no way I'm going to change him.
	And if we want to be dysfunctional, then that's the way it is.
	And I honestly believe, from all the people I've met, with all my traveling and everything, everyone has A dysfunctional family.
	Your mom in the show is so dysfunctional.
	She is the most generally unhappy woman.
	I was just about to say that, yeah.
	That I've ever seen in my whole life.
	I wonder if in the program you will somehow come to reconcile with her or there's, you know, they keep your family and your sister and your mom in the show so it hints that somewhere down the line there's going to be more interaction between you and your former family.
	Right, and you know, one of the things I've heard from the majority of my fans, you know, in mail, you know, like through the mail or in person, is that they love the family dynamics, you know, with Joy and Reggie, Reggie being my sister, and it's very true.
	It's kind of heartwarming, but at the same time, it's very It's dark and depressing, but it's a good contrast, you know, because it kind of evens itself out.
	And I mean, I would love to be able to reconcile with my mother at one point, but right now she's so, you know, believing that I'm just some psycho girl who keeps coming to her house and stalking them.
	So I couldn't really tell you right now as to whether or not they will or will not No, but I think there's so much dysfunction in real life in America that actually that isn't all that unusual, one way or the other, for a lady to be that unhappy.
	You know what's interesting, Art, is talking about the family dynamic in this show.
	When we first started it, we certainly never looked at this as a family show, but if you go on several of the websites, both ours, Showtimes, as well as the fan-created ones, So many people write in, both older people and younger people, that this is the one show they can sit down as a family and watch, because the older people get a real insight as to how, honestly, young people are thinking, and vice versa.
	That's right.
	I think today, family viewing, because of all the niche programming, has become, you know, really sort of a lost, you know, event for the family, and this is one that's bringing them together, as it would seem.
	Hank, Ellen, hold tight for a moment.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
	Ellen Mooth, star of Showtime's Dead Like Me.
	Hank Cohen, president of MGM Television.
	That's quite a duo to have on, huh?
	Of one of my favorite programs.
	I'm a giant fan.
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	From coast to coast, and worldwide on the Internet, this is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	Dead Like Me is about a young lady, a beautiful young lady, in this case, Ellen Knuth, who plays Georgia,
	who gets hit by a re-entering toilet seat, re-enters the atmosphere, and...
	and...
	She kills her, and instead of dying completely, if actually she does die, she becomes a reaper, and her assignment is to take others' souls, other people's souls, just before they die, in generally horrific, and if they can be funny, and they are funny, deaths of others.
	So she reaps souls.
	We'll get back to Ellen and Hank Cohen, who's president of MGM Television Entertainment, in just a moment.
	stay right there once again and colonel president of indian television and a
	columnist are of dead like me uh...
	Hello again, you two.
	Hank, why Showtime?
	I think, to me, it almost has to be on Showtime where you can get away with the language, and some of the languages kind of are rated, but that makes it work, too, doesn't it?
	I think it does.
	You know, I think it gives us certain freedoms to explore areas and have the realistic talk I think people relate to.
	Well, you couldn't be doing that on ABC or NBC or CBS or even Fox.
	No.
	You know, I think we could do the show, but I don't think we could do the show that we're doing right now.
	It would not be as real, would it, Ellen?
	Not at all.
	I mean, it's interesting you would ask that, because a lot of people have asked me that question, you know, why not the WB or Fox?
	And I said, you know, basically a lot of the things that happen in our show, you can't show on regular network TV.
	And a lot of people, like my grandmother, would say, I can't watch you because you swear too much.
	And it's kind of funny, but a lot of it is necessary for the sense of humor that the scene is set in.
	Absolutely.
	Hank, there have been introductions of different nameless reapers, certainly in the first season.
	Like, for example, the man who reaped George's soul.
	Then the kid, remember the kid?
	That was really interesting, the kid who reaped the animal souls.
	Right.
	And I'm wondering if you're going to follow that theme some more in future seasons.
	Do you think that far ahead?
	Yeah, they absolutely do.
	I will say this season, when they came into my office before we even went into production, they had the whole, obviously not all the scripts written, but they had the whole season sort of arced out.
	And that is absolutely in the plans to continue to, you know, even perhaps occasionally revisit ongoing Reapers and of course introduce some new ones.
	Now we couldn't go back to the Reaper that took George because he crossed over.
	Yeah, went to reap your last soul.
	That's why George became a Reaper.
	Yeah, in soap operas, when a character is deleted, they merely murder them or, I don't know, they die or something.
	But in this case, they just pass on over, right?
	They just pass on over.
	Yeah.
	Ellen, as your role develops, I mean, you were taken really early in your life.
	You think?
	Yeah, I think.
	And so, I wonder if you will develop Physical relationships, perhaps even at some point losing your astral virginity.
	You know what's really interesting about that is I was thinking, I'm the youngest one of the Reapers and we're not supposed to age at all.
	And I was thinking, you know, right now I'm 23 years old.
	If the show keeps going, what's going to happen once I reach like 25?
	I'm not going to look like I look anymore.
	Oh, you'll hang in for a while.
	Well, that's another thing.
	It is a huge hit.
	Huge hit.
	And I guess, how did it go, Hank?
	Did it start off with a roar, or was it more likely people began discovering it as it went along?
	I think a little of both.
	I mean, we came out of the box very strongly, and we've continued to grow.
	We're doing very, very good and strong numbers right now.
	It is a show that you can't say is across the board for everybody, because there are certain people, a very, very small percentage, hopefully, that would just make them too uncomfortable to watch it.
	But I will tell you, when you go on the website, and as I said before, I am proud of all our shows, but you see what people write about this.
	This is a deep, deep emotional connection to this show.
	I was actually pretty blown away, Art, when we were down at Comic-Con, the big comic book convention, a couple months ago in San Diego.
	And Ellen and a couple of the cast members were on the panel and I was moderating it.
	People were standing up and it was almost like a revival.
	I mean they were talking about life's experiences.
	One woman, and I was really moved by this, she said after she watched the pilot she went right to the phone and called her mother and she hadn't talked to her in 15 years and told her mother, you know what, we have to stop this fight.
	Is it sobering for you, Ellen, to realize how deeply this affects people, just as Hank is saying?
	It really is unusual.
	The majority of fan mail that I get, they all say how I've helped them because their mother passed on or their father passed on.
	That's right.
	And that's the most rewarding part about it to me.
	I mean, I love doing the performing, but when I get letters like that, that's the most rewarding.
	Well, I guess there's a lot that has come before Dead Like Me for you, but this certainly gives you a big public footprint.
	You're somewhere in New England, aren't you, Ellen?
	I'm in, yeah.
	Like Connecticut or something?
	Yeah.
	When you go out now, do you get recognized a lot?
	I do, actually.
	It seems like it's, I mean, more so this year than last year, but I've found, I can't, like, it's funny, my dad uses the term busted.
	It seems like anytime I go out, you know, somebody will come up to me and say, you look just like the girl from Dead Like Me.
	Oh, they say that?
	And if my father's with me, he'll always be like, it is her, don't you want her autograph?
	And if I'm by myself or with a friend, I say, oh, really?
	Do any of them ask you if you could really reap them?
	Yeah.
	I'm like, you don't want to shake my hand.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's a good answer.
	Yeah.
	Hank, we're in, what, the second season is playing now?
	It is, and the first season is out on DVD and doing very well.
	And does it look like the ratings will sustain three and four?
	I mean, how far ahead do you look?
	You know, Showtime has been a great supporter of the show, and everything that they tell me, they're very, very happy with the show.
	We're certainly, if not the highest rated, we're one of their highest rated shows, and the numbers just continue to grow, and they're solid.
	So I have to be positive and hopeful for season three.
	I am too.
	I take it.
	I do too, because I need to move to Malibu.
	You're really going to move to Malibu, huh?
	No, I will.
	So then you live back east, but then what?
	Do you have to fly west to do the series?
	Um, in Vancouver, yeah.
	All the way to Vancouver, huh?
	Right.
	Up and over.
	By the way, you two are the Gravelings, these creatures that precipitate the deaths of these folks.
	These Gravelings, they're put in by computer afterwards, aren't they?
	Yeah.
	How does that work?
	That's right?
	Yeah, they are, and I would just like to To add that I think our visual effects, created by our visual effects people, the Gravelings are, they were nominated for an Emmy, and we will find out how we do tomorrow night at the Creative Arts Awards.
	Oh, no kidding?
	Yeah.
	And while we're on the subject, the music, oh my God, I love the music.
	Art also nominated for, and we'll find out tomorrow night, how Stewart Copeland is out of the music.
	I was just about to say that.
	Well, you know, that's of course where I picked up Matisse and Boomba from, actually, I think two separate episodes it was used.
	Has it been in three?
	Yeah.
	Really?
	It's just the right mood for the program.
	Yeah, you know, it was amazing when Boom Boom Bob, when it first came out, I think it was like the fifth episode or something like that, the websites went crazy.
	People asking, what is that song?
	What is that song?
	So people started posting before they even said, OK, the song is Boom Boom Bob by Matisse.
	And then they'd get on to the rest of it because so many people asked about that song.
	By the way, the company that put that out, Matisse's, what is it, a British group, I think, right, Ellen?
	Yeah.
	They did a re-release on the DVD and they did better sales when they re-released that DVD than when they had initially come out with it.
	That's the power of the program.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	In fact, this year we have a guest star who's a musician and I've been seeing him all over the place now because at the time that I had met him, I didn't really know who he was.
	And it seemed like a week later he's on MTV and Carson Daly and all these big-time shows.
	Yeah, that's right.
	His name is Gavin DeGraw.
	Yeah, I didn't know if I could say that or not.
	Sure you can say it.
	Sure you can.
	Sorry, we're supposed to.
	But we're doing a big tie-in.
	I think it starts next week with MTV and Gavin because music has become such an important part of It is.
	this show and all that credit goes to, well John Macy's our executive producer of course,
	but Stewart Copeland who writes this wonderfully imaginative music.
	And a program that music really does sometimes help shape the mood for what the actors are
	doing.
	Does it ever.
	You know I'm sure everyone who's listening has seen the making of a film and they show
	the rough cut where you don't see the music or you don't hear the music and it really
	does affect you emotionally because you find if you take the music away the scene is completely
	I mean, I've seen directors cut and producers cut of the show, which is before the special effects and before the music.
	And you just don't feel as much as you do if there's music in the background.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	Your role, Ellen, is so strong.
	And the show has become so strong.
	Strong.
	It's a strong role.
	In other words, I'm wondering if you are at all concerned, if it goes on for years and years, which it looks like it will, that forever you're going to be a reaper type cast as The Reaper.
	Well, I've never seen any other script where there's a reaper.
	In fact, when I first got this role, I had to ask my father, what is a grim reaper?
	Really?
	It's possible to be typecast as that.
	I mean, I've been in situations where, you know, the media says she always plays a victim in most of her, you know, projects.
	But I firmly believe that only you can typecast yourself because basically it's up to you whether or not you want to take on a role and if you continue to take victim roles or reaper roles.
	Do you make a good victim?
	Do you make a good victim?
	Yeah.
	She really does.
	I want to take a shot at that question also.
	She is an amazingly extraordinarily talented actress and I don't think there will be any sort of residual or hangover effect on her career at all.
	I think she will go on to play wonderfully diverse roles and nail all of them.
	It's just that it's such a strong imprint in my mind now, who she is.
	That happens.
	Hank, are there any other films or TV series that MGM is going to produce in the future that might focus on the metaphysical phenomena?
	I don't know, time travel, psychokinesis, telekinesis, shapeshifting, the craft?
	Well, you know, it's kind of funny.
	We've sort of become the sci-fi studio.
	You know, we did The Outer Limits, we do Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis.
	We just did a, my little area got to produce a direct-to-video Species 3, you know, which is going to be coming out in, I think it's coming out in November.
	Oh, yes.
	Follow-up to the first two Species.
	Oh, yes, indeed.
	We did the Carrie remake, which everybody, you know, said was brave, if nothing else, that we did for NBC last year.
	So, yeah, we really do, we seem to I'm glad to hear that.
	You are too, huh?
	sort of found a niche for ourselves and uh... yeah i can tell you that will
	definitely be more of them uh... so
	i'm glad to hear that you are too huh?
	with that? i say you are too. listen, how would you feel about
	reaping a talk show host one of these days? well it won't be you
	so...
	i would... no listen... ellen he didn't mean for real He meant on the show.
	See how seriously you're taking that role?
	You gotta watch what you say to her.
	She's always a reaper.
	I think that's a great idea, Art.
	I would be honored to be reaped by George Lincoln.
	Did you ever imagine you'd fall into this kind of a role?
	I mean from being a victim to suddenly this is so out in left field.
	Well I don't really think of it as being like falling into it because it was the type of thing where I read the script and I thought okay this is brilliant so there's no way I'm gonna get it and I I still to this day, and according to my mother, a lot of actors say in interviews that they think this was a mistake.
	You know, somebody made a mistake somewhere hiring me because it's so good.
	Oh, no, you're perfect.
	She is perfect, and I can tell you that while I, not personally, but our casting people, Paul Weber, who I think put together just an amazing cast on the show, he looked at probably between four or five hundred girls.
	And, you know, we saw George, I mean Helen, and we said, you know, there's George.
	Happens to you, too.
	Yes, it does.
	Well, again, you know, I see her as, as I said, a sort of pouty, reluctantly rebellious reaper, and she's got a certain aura of kind of rebellious poutiness about her that I don't know where else you'd find it, except unless it was kind of real in her life.
	Yeah, well, she was, you know, pouty and had trouble with authority before she died.
	You know, look at her family dynamics.
	She didn't get along with her mother or her father.
	And she never wanted to be told what to do.
	And I guess that's one thing I can relate to.
	That's what I thought.
	You talk about it in the third person because, of course, it's a character, but there really has to be a lot of that in your life.
	Or can you be such a good actress that You could be something totally different.
	It doesn't seem like it to me.
	No, absolutely you can.
	I mean, as long as you're aware of your surroundings and you can make sense of things that other people are going through, I think that's one of the unique talents that an actor can have.
	You know, being able to analyze and see how other people live.
	And that's why I'm really fortunate that I didn't grow up in Hollywood or in New York With people in my family who are in the business, you know, because nobody in my family is in the business.
	So I grew up, you know, in a normal high school, not a performing arts, it was just a local high school.
	Well, so then how did all this happen to you then?
	I don't know.
	I think I was chosen.
	No.
	It was actually something, ever since I was a little girl, I used to make like home movies and music videos and Dance videos and all these things.
	And I just realized that recently.
	Wow, I've really been performing since I was a little girl.
	And getting into this, it was like I told my father I wanted to do it.
	And my mom didn't want me to because she thought the rejection would lower my self-esteem.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	But my father helped me follow through with it.
	So she thought it was doomed?
	Yeah.
	I mean, it was kind of a thing.
	Where it's the untouchable.
	You know, it doesn't really happen to you.
	It happens to people who you don't know.
	But your dad was for it.
	Yeah, he was very supportive.
	Well, it's, you know... I'm glad your dad won that fight.
	I know, me too.
	It seems to me like this show just, I don't know, it's special, it's magic, and it's so different.
	And those are the shows in television, I guess, really do take off. I'm remembering All in the Family, for
	example, and a whole lot of shows that reached out and were just sort of dangerous on
	the edge, but they're the ones that made it, and that's what Dead Like Me is doing.
	It's right out there on the very edge. Yeah, and you know, I really commend Showtime
	and MGM for being so supportive of putting this show on the air, because it's a very
	touchy subject and you're going to find people who are absolutely opposed to it.
	Has there ever been a moment in the program, Ellen, where you said, we can't do this?
	No, you know why?
	I don't know.
	The type of person that I am, I'm really willing to try anything, as long as it's not going to kill me.
	And George is already dead, so there's no reason for me to be afraid.
	It's funny you should say that.
	The only time we would say, no, we can't do this, is if we think it's too predictable or too corny.
	Way to go.
	You never get anywhere by copying, and you two are big originals.
	So Hank Cohen, Ellen, Muth, thank you both so very much for being here.
	And if you ever want to read the talk show host, we know where to look.
	Here I am.
	You two take care.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you so much.
	Good night.
	Good night.
	All right, there you have it.
	What an honor for me.
	What a privilege for me.
	You can imagine.
	I mean, you have a lot of favorite shows, right?
	What if you were a talk show host and you got to interview the star of your favorite show?
	Well, that's how it just was for me.
	It's called Dead Like Me, and it's on Showtime.
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	Well, this may be a piece of breaking news, and I hope it's not what I think it might be,
	but it may be the North Koreans have set off a nuke.
	Maybe they've lit off a nuke. I don't know.
	Associated Press is saying a large explosion, large, has occurred in the northern part of North Korea,
	sending a huge mushroom cloud into the air on an important anniversary of a communist regime,
	according to the South Korean news agency.
	The South Korean government said that it was trying to confirm the report, that South Korea The Yonhap News Agency, citing an unidentified source in Seoul, said the explosion occurred at 11 a.m.
	local time Thursday in a province near the border with China.
	The blast has left a gigantic crater big enough to be noticed by satellite.
	We really don't know at this point whether it was a deliberately planned nuclear test or it's been some sort of nuclear accident in North Korea.
	At this point, we're not sure.
	But I'll try and keep you informed and hopefully you'll keep me informed.
	That came sailing in on Fast Blast.
	Thank you very much.
	One way of staying in touch with what's going on while I'm actually on the air.
	But it could be that, or it could be a big accident in North Korea.
	Just wanted to kind of keep you up on things.
	In a moment!
	Tom Kasmer, and this is going to be a very interesting program.
	He's a real deal.
	I had, I was invited to call Mr. DeLorean, you know, the man who makes the cars, who had something to say about Tom Kasmer, but just based on that invitation alone, I didn't take the opportunity and call Mr. DeLorean.
	But he is apparently prepared to accept some technology, I guess, that Tom has designed for an automobile Mr. DeLorean's working on.
	Anyway, Tom Kasner's about to be here.
	Now, as a child, Tom Kasner was fascinated by mechanisms and rockets.
	My kind of guy.
	He attended a technical high school and then joined IBM ENCOD in the Electronic Technician Apprentice Program after about two years.
	He entered Harper College in Binghamton, New York during the period.
	From 59 to 63, he designed and patented, listen to this, IBM's Hydropad Drill Machine Logic Electronics and Optics.
	The machines have drilled all holes in IBM circuit boards worldwide to date.
	Can you imagine that?
	The kind of holes that are drilled for IBM have to be, of course, very precise.
	And so he invented the technology that does this.
	Even until this very day, while at Bendix and Tilla Ignition Lab, he refined a rocket ignition that went to the moon on the LEMS.
	He's been involved in several company startups, acting as chief engineer and vice president of engineering.
	Later, he began work as a freelance consultant working on military radar, nuclear survivable power supplies, cryogenics, reliability studies, and power supplies.
	In 1986, he contracted with a military contractor in Minnesota and designed a 1 million watt power supply for the Star Wars program and built a 150 kilowatt section of it Before Congress cancelled Star Wars.
	Oh yeah, that's right.
	They threw water on all that.
	Right?
	Well, sort of.
	At this point, he came to the realization that his experience, education, and background qualified him to design and build the world's first true solar sports car, the Mag-1.
	After five years, he was advised by a business associate to incorporate and capitalize on the core invention in there.
	That would be the Hydristor.
	The High Drister, and we're going to get an explanation of that shortly.
	Now again, Hurricane Ivan, down to 910 millibars, is one of the biggest, baddest hurricanes in all of history, down at 910 millibars.
	This thing is gigantic, and if you want to see how really, really big it is, I just changed my webcam photo to a satellite view, of Ivan.
	The eye of Ivan is so well defined and so exactly round and so devoid of anything in the middle that you can look down through the eye and see ocean.
	It's such a powerful storm, it's hard to imagine, and of course it's bearing down now on an island, on the Cayman Islands, Pray for the people in the Cayman Islands.
	165 miles an hour and still building.
	They're really going to need your prayers.
	In a moment, Tom Kazimer, stay right where you are.
	Oh, God.
	How quickly news moves on.
	All right, Ramona just grabbed this for me from CNN.
	It says North Korea cloud not A nuclear blast.
	Seoul, South Korea.
	A large cloud that appeared over North Korea in satellite images several days ago was not the result of a nuclear explosion, according to U.S.
	officials.
	South Korea's news agency is reporting that a huge explosion shook North Korea's northernmost province on Thursday, producing, get this, a mushroom cloud over two miles wide.
	So, As a quick follow-up to what I said, it appears it's not a nuclear blast, but there is a crater there, and a two-mile wide something that happened.
	So, we just don't know at this point, and I'll try and keep you informed.
	Here is Tom Kasmer.
	Tom, welcome to the program.
	Thank you, Art.
	Would you classify yourself as an inventor?
	Would that be appropriate?
	Well, I've been calling myself after a while.
	Okay.
	All right, so, an inventor.
	You've invented something called the Hydristor, and I guess we're going to talk about that in a moment, but again, I had an invitation to call, you know, Mr. DeLorean and talk about you, and I was told that Mr. DeLorean is prepared to accept or incorporate something that you have invented in a car design that he's got coming up, or what?
	That's correct.
	It is a form of the hydristor, which will connect the engine to the wheels.
	It'll connect the engine to the wheels?
	And it'll do so in a variable manner.
	Ah, boy, have we got a bad phone connection here, Tom.
	OK, is that better?
	Yeah, you're going to have to say right into that phone.
	It's not a good one.
	Where are you located?
	Well, currently I'm in a West Western hotel in Sturbridge, Mass., courtesy of the Management here.
	Oh.
	Oh, no kidding.
	All right.
	I was traveling and I had to find someplace to call you from the landline.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Well, that's cool.
	We'll get by with it.
	Can you tell... Remember now, this audience is... It's not made up of engineers.
	Is there a way to explain to non-engineers what a hydristor is?
	I will make my best effort.
	All right.
	Okay.
	The hydristor is based on what is called a dual Pressure-balanced vane pump.
	The kind you would find, for example, in the power steering pump of a car.
	Okay.
	There is a rotor with radially moving vanes that go in and out as the rotor turns, and the design of the power steering pump is something that would have an elliptical chamber in it.
	So as the rotor and vanes turn, the vanes will track the elliptical Boy, you might be losing me.
	I'm getting lost here.
	I'm still not grasping what it is.
	Okay, this word is made up from two words, right?
	Correct.
	That made the word up from hydraulic and transistor.
	Okay, so you made the word up.
	I did.
	So, half of it's transistor.
	And I know what the function of a transistor, or the various functions, I guess, are.
	And I'm trying to put it together with the rest.
	So it's a transistor and what?
	A hydraulic for the function of moving fluid around.
	And transistor for the function of controlling the movement.
	In other words, with a transistor, a regular electrical transistor, You can have several cases.
	You can have it on or off like a switch.
	That's right.
	Which happens in computer logic.
	Or you can have the transistor turn on to varying degrees.
	Kind of like slipping a clutch in a car to hold the car on the hill.
	Okay, so what you've invented then controls by nature the hydraulics.
	Is that what we're talking about?
	That's correct.
	It enables you to control a hydraulic variable adjustable hydraulic Connection between, let's say, a turning shaft and another shaft which you would like to control the movement of.
	OK.
	Think of it as a lever and a fulcrum.
	All right.
	And how is Mr. DeLorean going to use it?
	And can you tell us anything about his plans, by the way, for a new car while we're at it?
	Well, he hasn't shared a lot of that with me, and I don't feel that I should I really question him.
	He's kind of built one car and made 7,700 examples of it, and I respect his ability.
	I don't think he wants to do it again.
	So he's getting older, but he's going to do it again, huh?
	Sharp as a tack.
	He called me after he had read my three existing patents from front to back.
	The third patent is 87 pages long, most of which I wrote.
	And he had an immediate grasp of the Hydristor, so he may be a few years older than I am, but I'll tell you, he is really one sharp individual.
	Very sharp.
	It's fascinating that he's going to take off and do it again.
	Anyway, you've worked in a lot of areas, rockets for example, and you actually designed something that went to the moon on the LEMS?
	That had to do with a circuit that I was presented with when I was at Bendix as a summer student.
	And there was something like 38 components in that circuit.
	And because of the need to have the circuit operate at a very cold temperature, about 160 degrees centigrade below zero, the circuit would not function and it wouldn't start the rocket there for me.
	So I was able to cut it down to seven components And it started 190 degrees below zero.
	Wow.
	Centigrade.
	Centigrade.
	Which is, I guess, exactly what they need for space.
	The vacuum and the cold of space, huh?
	Yes.
	And how do you get to the position where you're doing that kind of work?
	I mean, that's wild stuff.
	Were you actually designing for that, or did you happen to be designing something that The reason I got the summer job at Benix is that at the time I was the proud owner of a brand new Corvette Sportwindow Coupe and in the businesses I was involved in I was able to access the machine shop and all that sort of thing.
	I had been working on the testing of A brand new invention from General Electric in Auburn, New York called the SCR, the Silicon Patrol Electric Car.
	This is 1962.
	And I tickered around with the idea of it, and I came up with the capacitive discharge ignition system on my own.
	And I also didn't like the problems associated with the mechanical points in a car, so I concepted and built a mechanical trigger, similar to what they have today in cars.
	There's no points, but it's a mechanical impulse trigger for the distributor.
	Okay.
	So I had built all this, and I had it on my Corvette.
	Then I went up to the summer job, and I ended up in the parking lot with Dr. Morris, the Ph.D.
	physicist who headed the lab, and I showed him what I was working on, and I was hired on the spot!
	So, later on this summer, I was presented with this idea, because I always got myself in a situation where I said I could do it.
	In other words, when presented with a job, no matter how tough it was, I took a look at it and I said, I can do this.
	Kind of like the little engine that could.
	And I just stayed at it and stayed at it until I finally accomplished something.
	It's been successful, but with most of the things I've taken on, it's been that sort of thing.
	I take it for you, this probably began as a child.
	Most people who are inventors are doers of different things, and so it must have started as a child.
	I mean, I'm sure you were ripping stuff apart as a kid, weren't you?
	I had an uncle who had all sorts of goodies in his basement.
	Clocks and radios and all that sort of thing.
	I would talk him out of something and carry it to my mother's house about three miles away.
	I was going back to the chicken coop, which was no longer occupied by the chickens, and
	I had my lab set up.
	I went to work on things.
	Your lab, huh?
	I had a kit.
	Really?
	No large explosions and craters, are there?
	No, no, no.
	All right.
	You have a number of ideas about, and since you've done so much that's been successful,
	you're really particularly worthy of asking this.
	The sun is probably the source of most, one way or the other, of most of the energy on
	Earth, and we're running real short of energy on Earth right now, Tom.
	Do you have some thoughts on capturing the sun's energy to a greater degree than we do now?
	Either we get energy pretty soon, or the world's in desperate straits.
	I do have it, and I think I see another way to approach this.
	Actually, the sun puts heat in the air as well as daylight during the day.
	It's visible.
	You're very hard to hear, Tom.
	The sun puts heat into the air.
	It heats the air up.
	Right.
	And of course that doesn't go away at night.
	It reduces a little bit the temperature because the heat radiates off into space.
	However, there's a lot of heat contained in the air.
	Now, there are commercial Systems available called Freon heat pumps.
	And a Freon heat pump is a form of air conditioner which can be used to capture low-grade heat and direct it to a place of your choosing so you can do something with it.
	How do you capture the heat from the air?
	Well, you would have a radiator which exchanges the energy from the air into very cold Freon and it warms up the Freon which then is circulated to a pump.
	The Freon is compressed.
	Okay.
	Tom, you're getting very hard to hear.
	I tell you, this phone line, the connection that we've got to this motel is not good.
	sort of the basic nature of physics.
	Okay.
	Tom, you're getting very hard to hear. I tell you, this phone line,
	the connection that we've got to this motel is not good.
	We may want to consider setting up another date to do this interview.
	It's just that the average person is not going to be able to hear what you're
	saying very well, because I can barely hear it. I'm not sure what's wrong. I think
	it's maybe the motel's phone line. Where do you live, Tom, normally? I
	mean, where are you normally when you're not
	out at a motel somewhere? Okay, I live in Binghamton, New York. Okay, oh, okay. That got stronger.
	So we'll kind of monitor this phone line and see what happens here, but I'm a little concerned about it.
	So anyway, is there enough heat in the atmosphere to efficiently heat, and I guess that's the key word here, is the amount of efficiency in translation of heat you can get to energy, right?
	Yes.
	Commercial heat pumps are used to replace, for example, electric heat in a home.
	Yes.
	Now during a typical December in the Northeast, you might have A cost of about $900 to heat the house.
	Uh huh.
	Yes, right.
	You can install a heat pump and cut that bill to $300 for the same level of coldness and the heat in the house that you'd like.
	Okay.
	So that's called a coefficient of performance or a COP or a gain.
	And commercial heat pumps will give you a gain up to three times.
	Oh.
	Now in a commercial heat pump, there is a An element called an expansion valve, which really amounts to a tiny hole or orifice, which the freon is expanded.
	Okay, listen, hold on.
	We're here at the bottom of the hour, and so just hang tough for a second, and we'll be right back.
	Only in America do you get phone connections like this, actually.
	So we're going to have a talk with Tom and redial the number and see if we can get it Connected properly or something.
	It may be the motel's phone.
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	It is indeed, and we could not get a good line with Tom Kazimer, so we're going to reschedule the interview and we're going to do some open lines.
	We just called back and had actually a worse line than we had the first time.
	So I guess maybe a little work on the switchboard there or something.
	I don't know.
	Anyway, we'll reschedule that interview.
	In the meantime, you know what we'll do?
	We'll talk.
	That's right.
	Open lines.
	You have to be, when you're a talk show host, you have to be somewhat able to proceed with anything that comes up.
	And I am, so we'll do it.
	A South Florida businessman says he's going to try to reduce the strength of Hurricane Ivan.
	By the way, have you seen the webcam picture of Ivan?
	Holy smokes!
	That's just a monster!
	Now, I know I'm a weather nut, and I spend a lot of time watching the Tropical Updates at 15 minutes past the hour on the Weather Channel.
	I'm just nutty like that, but this one's incredible!
	Incredible!
	And so here's this businessman who says he's going to try to reduce The strength of Hurricane Ivan.
	Get this, folks, by flying a Boeing 747 into the edge of the hurricane and dumping thousands of pounds of an absorbent material into Ivan.
	Peter Cordani of Jupiter, I guess Jupiter, Florida, plans to try to knock the storm down by one or maybe two categories by dropping tons of powder that absorbs 3,000 to 4,000 times its own weight.
	So they're going to try and absorb it away.
	He's Chief Operating Officer of Dynamat, a company that sells environmental absorbent products such as mats for mechanics.
	He believes his product, SK-1000, would cause a shearing action and a 15 degree cooling of the storm.
	Isn't that interesting?
	He's been working on his plan for five years now, has assembled a team of experts, including two former astronauts, Moonwalker Edgar Mitchell, really?
	And Scott McLeod, who's tested the lunar module.
	Wow.
	And then I got this, and I thought this would be worth our discussion perhaps a little bit.
	It was just an email from a listener, but it hit home.
	Dear Art, first it was the day after tomorrow.
	Ta-da!
	Our movie, right?
	The Day After Tomorrow, about climate change.
	Then Suspect Zero, about technical remote viewing.
	And you know who's in that, right?
	Of course.
	Ed Dames.
	And now, the upcoming White Noise, starring Michael Keaton, about EVP, electronic voice phenomena.
	Have you heard about that movie?
	It's called White Noise, and it's about EVP.
	And Robert says, you know, I've got the impression That a lot of producers out there are looking at what's popular on Coast to Coast AM and then decide what their next move ought to be.
	And, well, it's kind of true, isn't it?
	What gets discussed on this program, inevitably, lately, seems to show up on the big screen.
	He's right, the day after tomorrow.
	We've been on that for years, and no less on it right now, by the way, Suspect Zero, Dames, big movie, right?
	And it is a big movie, incidentally.
	And now, White Noise, which is about electronic voice phenomena.
	As you know, I have guests all the time who bring recordings to us that, and I've, you know, I've listened very carefully, and these recordings are too good not to be the real McCoy.
	They are the real McCoy.
	These are voices from somewhere else.
	Dare I say the other side?
	Well, my guests do, and I think it probably is the other side, but it could be another dimension.
	It could be a lot of things, but it does seem like, to me, it's the voice of the dead we're hearing.
	And now, a movie called White Noise about the voice of the dead.
	Voice us, make it plural.
	We'll be right back.
	Open lines, coming right up.
	anything you want to talk about fair game.
	Boy, I don't know.
	New York Times.
	Atomic activity in North Korea raises concerns.
	Washington, September 11.
	President Bush and his top advisors have received intelligence reports in recent days describing a confusing series of actions by North Korea that some experts believe could indicate the country is preparing to conduct its first test explosion of a nuclear weapon.
	So, you know, this explosion, I know they're saying non-nuclear, but you put that together with the New York Times story here.
	And you've got to wonder, I wonder what they've done, or did they have some awful, horrible accident there?
	By the way, somebody says, hey Art, your webcam shows a toad.
	Well, it did show a toad.
	Now it shows, if it's caught up, the latest satellite photograph of Ivan.
	This is an incredible, incredible hurricane.
	Check it out.
	That's all the way from the satellite.
	It gives you kind of a humbling feeling when you look at the size of this godforsaken monster storm, and you look at the land, and you look at the storm, and you look at the land, and you say, holy mackerel, this thing's about to hit the Caymans, which are virtually a dot compared to any of what you're seeing there.
	Can you even imagine being on an island and having something like that bearing down on you?
	Holy mackerel.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Art, first time caller.
	Profound honor.
	Thank you.
	It's an honor to have you here.
	Where are you?
	This is Bob in Cottage Grove, Oregon.
	All right.
	Just a thought that the first episode of Dead Like Me was found by accident.
	And as I was watching it, I thought there's enough firemen, ambulance attendants, nurses and policemen that'll probably make the thing go regardless of who else likes it.
	God, it's an incredible program.
	I love it.
	I absolutely love it.
	So you've been watching since number one?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	I'm hooked.
	Well, you know, you can imagine then how I felt.
	You know, I kind of was in awe.
	It's probably not good for me to be in awe of those I interview, but I couldn't help it.
	I mean, she's really something else in that program.
	A sleeper.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's going to be a monster and more and more people are going to catch on to what you watch.
	I'm glad it's coming out on DVD.
	Me too.
	Thank you.
	All right, buddy.
	Take care.
	Yes, indeed.
	Just an amazing, amazing concept.
	You know, the whole conceptual thing about Dead Like Me is so different.
	So very different and intriguing.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Pretty, pretty well, sir.
	Where are you?
	This is Dustin in Ontario listening on AM 800 together with you.
	Yes, sir.
	I just wanted to ask you, why did you get into radio?
	Say the question again.
	Did you say why?
	Yeah.
	Why did I get into radio?
	If your radio is on in the background, turn it off.
	That's a hard question.
	I thought you were going to say, how did you get in?
	Why did I get into radio?
	Oh, God.
	I don't know, it's like my whole life was radio, sir.
	From the moment I was old enough to start ripping stuff apart, you know, electronics and stuff, it's like my whole life was radio.
	And my whole life has been radio, so I don't know how to answer that.
	It's like I couldn't have done anything else.
	Okay.
	Sorry, that's going to have to serve as an answer.
	I hope it's a satisfactory one to you, but now that I go back in my life and I look, I couldn't have done anything else.
	I have been so wrapped into every single aspect of radio, both the electronic side and the mic side, every side of radio.
	I've just been immersed in it all my life.
	And I can't even imagine doing anything else.
	So it's not like I grew up, you know, and got to a certain age and said, well, I think I'll go into radio.
	It was already decided.
	You know, it was just already happening.
	That's almost impossible to answer, the why of it.
	International Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, how are you doing?
	Pretty well, sir.
	What is your first name?
	James.
	Alright, welcome to the program and what's up?
	Okay, well, considering Ivan and all these hurricanes that are recently in the news, I was thinking that maybe HAARP had something to do with it, and if it hadn't, maybe there's a way to use HAARP to defuse these hurricanes.
	Well, there's a million questions in this one.
	Do you think that HAARP is a weather control mechanism?
	I think it has the power to do things of that nature.
	But I don't know how HAARP works.
	They've kind of admitted that, that one possible aspect of it might be weather control.
	I wonder if they try.
	I wonder, with something this catastrophic, like Ivan, Category 5, headed for somewhere in the U.S., you know, and if it hit as strong as it is right now, there would be a real catastrophe, sir.
	So, this would be considered emergency conditions, I would think.
	It would be a good testing ground, to see if they could stop it.
	Well, right.
	But it's going to go somewhere, and I wonder if they could actually cause it to lessen in intensity, or turn it towards some other unlucky people, or what would they do?
	Maybe they can just turn it back to the sea?
	How about make it go around in circles until it poops out?
	Yeah!
	You know what, actually, we're laughing at that, but that might be the thing to do, because, you see, hurricanes are a way of The Earth balancing out some heat problems that it has.
	That's what hurricanes actually do.
	They balance things out.
	So it's like if you stopped them, you'd be screwing, excuse me, you'd be fooling with Mother Nature in ways that you ought not, perhaps.
	But making it go round and round and round in the ocean until it pooped out, that might work.
	Well, with any luck.
	I'd hope that somebody might give it a try to defuse some of this, because it's causing more than enough havoc.
	Well, again, diffusing it might be fooling with Mother Nature, because then you wouldn't have that balance achieved.
	But running it around in circles, that might work!
	Maybe create a field of some kind that would make it do that.
	All right, that's a very interesting thought.
	And by the way, I certainly cannot say that it's HAARP, but there is a mysterious signal that's been appearing in the 7 MHz region.
	About 7230 actually, and it's a strange signal.
	Again, I'm not suggesting it's harp, but it's harp-like in some ways.
	Instead of being a single carrier, for those of you who follow this kind of thing, it's several signals appearing on this frequency, and harp indeed has been very active.
	We've been recording it.
	You should hear, you should hear some of the weird sounds.
	I'm sorry I don't have a recorded bit of harp here for you, Boy, it makes some odd sounds.
	I'll tell you what.
	I'll do that.
	I'll record a harp for you and bring it in.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi, Art.
	It's Nancy calling.
	Hi, Nancy.
	How you doing?
	Pretty good.
	Where are you?
	Central Massachusetts right now.
	All right.
	So, I was wondering, have you made it through all of Dad's QSL cards?
	Say that again?
	I sent you the package of Dad's old... Oh my God, yes.
	Oh my God, yes.
	I've got them.
	They're incredible.
	And you know what?
	I'm not so sure that you should have let go of those.
	Some of those are historic.
	And I think they may belong, you know, like with the ARRL or some organization that would, you know, some of them are so old and so rare that they ought to be preserved by more than just an individual like me.
	Well, I couldn't think of anybody else better to send them to than to you.
	Believe me, I'm honored.
	Very honored.
	But some of those, and what she sent is her dad's, it was your dad, right?
	Yes.
	Your dad's QSL cards.
	It goes back to sort of the beginning of radio.
	I mean, some of these were back to about the Spark days.
	And these are cards that ham radio operators send to each other to confirm a contact, or even just hearing a station.
	Some of these are absolutely historic, and this young lady sent them to me.
	So, I'm honored, but again, I may end up giving some of them to somebody who will preserve them in a museum.
	That would be fine, Art.
	So, thank you for sending them, but I don't know, I want to discourage people from sending keepsakes.
	Anyway, thank you.
	Anything else?
	Well, I wanted to talk about two instances that happened in the past.
	Okay.
	And see what you think about them.
	All right.
	Back in the, it was either the late fall of 97 or the spring of 98.
	I was standing in the kitchen up at the house and looking out the back window into a field and I saw these men all in black going into the corner of the field and they had dug up something.
	Really?
	Yeah, they had it in a black box.
	Oh my god.
	Yeah, they carried it across the field back over to all black vehicles.
	Yes.
	With black vans and black, you know, like SUVs.
	And left.
	And after that I went outside and I asked neighbors, I said, did you see, you know, those people?
	Right.
	And like, and it was like, uh, no.
	Now that was strange.
	I have no idea what they dug up.
	I have no idea who they were.
	Uh-huh.
	Uh-huh.
	You know, there's something you should have He had a camera and taken a picture of... I mean, it's not everyday men in black dig something up near you and take it away.
	No, no, it's not.
	And then the other instance was back probably in 75, I want to say, that there was a prototype system located in Berlin, Massachusetts.
	Yes.
	That developed, it was a hovercraft.
	It was a small unit.
	It looked like it had girders on it.
	It pulsated.
	Something that would carry a person?
	No, smaller than that.
	Probably the size of a large screen TV set.
	Okay.
	And it could hover.
	It hovered across, I'd say maybe 300 units, you know, and above where they built cinder blocks.
	Hovered there and then went back.
	And now that place is no longer there.
	But they were a prototype place that developed things for different companies.
	Yeah, that's pretty weird, all right.
	Thank you very, very much.
	And again, thank you for sending all of that.
	And she sent actually more than that.
	Other mementos from her father's amateur radio station.
	It was pretty incredible.
	And so I'll be a good care person for them until I find a museum.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Yes.
	Long time no speak.
	Wow, I got through.
	Yes, you are through.
	Thank you.
	I have the phenomenon in my head that's going on, which is, it's voices in my head, but it's not, it's my actual thoughts, and it's verbalized.
	You have thoughts?
	It's not my conscience.
	You have thoughts in your head?
	But I mean, it's not, it's actually my own thoughts.
	I can program it.
	Well, we're all allowed to have our own thoughts, sir.
	If you didn't have thoughts, who would you be?
	Right, right.
	I understand that, but I mean, it's audible.
	You mean out loud?
	Well, yeah, and if I don't think about it, it doesn't occur, but it's there.
	Wait a minute.
	Your thoughts are being verbalized outside your head, out loud.
	Does anybody hear them but you?
	Well, no, of course not.
	I don't have speakers attached to my head, if that's what you mean.
	Well, I mean, it sounds like, you know, like a cartoon with a caption that comes out of the top of your head.
	Well, I talked to another talk show host about this, and he said it's normal, but it's not my conscience.
	It's not something that says right or wrong.
	I can control it.
	I can make it erotic, if you know what I mean.
	I can... I mean, that's beneficial.
	I haven't, you know, used that in a while, but it's something that people say to me is normal, but I don't think it's normal.
	I don't think... Why do you think you're Abbey normal?
	Dr. Frankenstein, for that one.
	That's right.
	Marty Feldman, God rest his soul.
	Well, I mean, I just... I don't think I am.
	I just like to think that other people are like me, but on the other hand, you know, my my specialness is
	uh, you know different but I just I Yes, the thing is I'm an insomniac naturally, you know,
	whether chemicals are involved or not and You mean, many times chemicals are involved?
	Well, they have been involved.
	I'll read between the lines here, being honest.
	I've engaged in that activity, but it's been months and months.
	It may be a by-product of that, but I just don't know what it is.
	None of your perfectly normal callers have Say anything about this, because I'd like to think that it's a normal occurrence, but I guess it's not.
	Well, I'm still not totally clear on what's happening here.
	You say that... I mean, literally, I can, you know, I mean, I can make up stories and stuff, and... Well, most people can.
	It's called an imagination.
	Right, and daydreaming, but it's not audible in your head.
	I mean, it's audible 24-7.
	It's just that if there's background noise, I can't really hear it, but it's there, constantly.
	Hmm.
	And I'd like to think I'm normal, but I just... You know, if anything else, just inspire one of your open-minded callers in your open lines to expound upon this, or expand or whatever, because I'd like to think it's something that other people experience.
	I heard sirens.
	I heard sirens.
	Oh, I live in Oceanside, California.
	Are they coming?
	They're not coming to get you, huh?
	No, they're coming to take me away, haha.
	That's it, that's what it was.
	Oh, you've got your lyrics down, that's for sure.
	Remember that?
	They're coming to take me away, haha.
	Well, be careful who you tell about the voices, would be my advice, or they will be coming to get you.
	As far as being abnormal, I don't know.
	I mean, you were just basically telling me you could control your own thoughts.
	That's not so abnormal.
	we'll be right back ok
	me. You just don't realize. What you do to me.
	When you hold me in your arms so tight, you let me know everything's alright.
	I'm hooked on a feeling.
	Everything's alright I'm hooked on a feeling
	I'm high on a reeling That you're in love with me
	Rich as sweet as candy Its taste is on my mind
	Girl you got me thirsty For another cup of wine
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	We're in open lines.
	You know, I'm curious, how many of you believe in an afterlife?
	Next week, I'm going to be interviewing one of the best afterlife guests anybody's ever had, and I've had some really, really good ones.
	There was a young lady I had on who I will never forget for as long as I live.
	She came on this program and gave us a graphic description of her after-death experience, and she did, in fact, clinically die.
	Oh, it was awful.
	She gave us a description that, it's just one of those things that chills you and stands the hair up on the back of your neck, and she gave one of those, and we've got another one coming up next Sunday, and in fact it's the same physician who's bringing this guest to us.
	These stories are amazing, and you know, they're so consistent with people who die, not all, but When we do get the stories, they're all consistent with each other.
	This one was just particularly chilling.
	I know some of you recall.
	Alright, we're in open lines.
	So if you have something of some cosmic importance that you would like to share with everybody, those are the relevant numbers.
	Our guest tonight, unfortunately, is going to have to be rescheduled.
	We could not get a good phone connection, which would launch me on another one of my tirades.
	Actually, it was not a cell connection.
	In this case, it was like a hotel connection.
	But I'm not so sure that we did well breaking up the phone companies.
	I've had a lot of concern about that lately.
	We used to have such nice connections.
	Everybody had plug-in telephones.
	It was a good world for a talk show host.
	And then they invented cell phones.
	Then they broke up the phone company.
	I don't know if it was in that order, but either way, all of this happened and contributed to a general deterioration and you can't hear the pin drop anymore.
	Bob Cartlanger on the air, hello.
	Yes, hi.
	This is Mike from Philadelphia, WPHT.
	Hello, Mike.
	Okay, one of the world's top volcano experts, Professor McGuire from London, is saying that the Yellowstone supervolcano probably will be going off soon, and it will kill everything within 500-600 miles of it.
	So I think it's extremely important we try to find out when.
	So I just wonder if you could ask Major Ed Baines and maybe 8 or 10 other remote viewers and psychics their best estimate as to when we could possibly try to save millions of lives.
	You know, I've heard that if it did go off, if Yellowstone were to erupt the way it once did, Uh, that, you know, the number of people dead would be, as you suggest, hundreds of miles and millions of people, and that's a chilly little subject.
	But yeah, sure, it's a perfect subject for a remote viewer.
	Yeah, so if you could ask the consensus of them, not only just Ed Baines, but Steven Schwartz and a few others that you could get ahold of, and other psychics, If he could not win, you know, that might be a big help in saving millions of lives.
	Alright, now let me ask you a question.
	If I got four out of five of these remote viewers, let's say, to say, Oh my God!
	That guy's right!
	It's gonna go!
	We see it!
	What would you do?
	Well, if I lived with them, I'd take a vacation.
	For a few weeks or a month.
	The point is, you'd get out of Dodge.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And then the other is to store up water and food in case they get locked in by ashes, you know, whatever.
	Yes, I've been hearing a number of things about Yellowstone, but the fact is, of course, we don't know when it's really going to go, do we?
	like the victims of Pompeii. Yes, all right. Yes, I've been hearing a number of things
	about Yellowstone, but the fact is, of course, we don't know when it's really going to go,
	do we? I suppose that would be the job of a visionary or a remote viewer. I should also,
	of course, and I would invite you, if you want to reminisce about 9-11, I wouldn't stop
	you from doing that this morning.
	However, I haven't said much about it yet, and I'll tell you why.
	I think it's worth a small discussion, perhaps, between us.
	What do you think?
	It is the anniversary of 9-11, or it was 14 minutes ago.
	I saw the coverage on TV today.
	I've seen the, you know, the pieces on CNN today of the airplanes going into the building.
	And in some ways, it's still, it's such a traumatic event for me, and I think for all of you.
	I don't know, I'd like you to share this with me.
	Is it true of you?
	When you saw these things, I turned away from it.
	I remember following every horrid incident of it as it went on in New York and the Pentagon and I remember being glued to it and for days and days I did not leave that coverage but now years later for some reason I can't get back into it.
	It's such a Completely emotional issue for me that I can't review it.
	It's almost too painful to review.
	I wonder how the rest of you feel.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning.
	This is Steve from Windsor, Ontario.
	I'm listening on CKLW also.
	Yes, Steve.
	Glad to have you.
	I'm not very happy with what's going on with SETI right now.
	SETI?
	Oh, SETI, SETI, yes.
	Let's talk about that.
	Well, let's be a little careful.
	if they get a signal in the helium-hydrogen band that it's more than likely going to be
	extraterrestrial.
	Yes, that's correct.
	Now all of a sudden...
	Well, let's be a little careful.
	What Settia said is that that frequency would be the most likely kind of marker frequency
	that an alien might use because everybody looks at it.
	Right.
	That's what they've said.
	It's a real likely frequency an alien might use.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Now all of a sudden they find a signal coming from that frequency.
	Yep.
	And they start, somebody releases the information about it and suddenly they're making excuses as to why this signal can't be extraterrestrial.
	I know.
	I know, I've been reading every word.
	I don't understand where the thinkers have gone from SETI.
	How hard would it be if there's an intelligent civilization out there that they could put a transmitter somewhere else that might be moving at the speed that that thing's moving at, away from, like they say it's moving something like 10,000 Miles per hour in one direction and then suddenly shifting.
	Yes.
	How hard would that be to put a radio transmitter up on top of another planet or on a moon that might be circling them at that speed?
	I don't know.
	You're right, though, when you say that they're sort of throwing everything up, every red herring they can, about what else it might be.
	But then if you read the stories, at the same time they say, you know, but it might be They're saying that.
	It might be.
	And they've been listening to it for a year and a half or something?
	Yeah, I know.
	And word would get out right away, huh?
	Well, I'm not very happy.
	I think they're trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
	It was found, ostensibly it was said, by a steady at home person.
	Except it wasn't just one person.
	It was repetitive several times.
	And they're couching the whole thing in a whole lot of, let's not get too excited about this yet, but I just don't understand why they're making excuses.
	I mean, there are so many possibilities of why that signal could be moving the way it is.
	Quite true.
	All of it, quite true.
	This is fascinating.
	I don't know if you've been following the SETI story, but I've mentioned it.
	In fact, I certainly read the story last week and knew about it the prior week and read a little something.
	But yes, they have detected a signal, and then they're sort of saying, well, no, it could be this, or it could be internal electronics in the telescope, some little noise generated in the telescope, or a lot of things.
	But an awful lot of people have now detected it.
	It's been, what, two or three times?
	And they're looking for six times before they declare genuine excitement.
	It's a story worth following.
	And with regard to, oh Art, we'll get the information out right away, which is what Seth always told me, right?
	It's not exactly, or I guess Seth would argue, yes it is, it's happening that way.
	See, they're running stories on it.
	Yes, but what kind of stories?
	Buster the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi, radio is beautifully going off.
	Yes, of course.
	I'm in Los Angeles and I'm calling from the mighty, I'm listening to 640 FM, the mighty
	KFI.
	Yes, of course.
	Welcome.
	I forgot that out.
	Art, just before I ask you to update me on something, and I will comment on the trauma
	too, you know, something interesting you might enjoy, I worked on contact.
	On the movie Contact?
	On the special effects, actually.
	Oh, you're kidding.
	No, I'm completely serious.
	It was my first job working for a division of Sony Pictures.
	Well, you know that isn't, like, about one of my favorite movies, as you well know.
	God, what an incredible motion picture, yes.
	And it was a really interesting experience working on it, I have to say.
	Very, very interesting.
	What was the atmosphere like?
	The atmosphere?
	Yeah.
	Well, it was charged with electricity, because at that point in time, it was still really early in the effects business.
	Sony had just started this big digital entity, and people were working around the clock.
	There were people from all over the world working on this movie.
	And it was great for me, because I used to get to watch the dailies on one of the first high-def television sets I ever saw.
	They would play back like planet modeling and stuff.
	It was very, very interesting.
	I love that movie.
	It was great.
	And I got to work in Unix, which I really wanted to do.
	It was fabulous.
	I really enjoyed it.
	I thought you'd like to know about that.
	Yes, sir.
	You know what?
	I will tell you about the trauma, but before you go, I would like you to tell me what's going on with the current from the antenna.
	And I'll just say about today, I felt really down and depressed.
	I'm in LA.
	I'm involved in some litigation.
	I'm in discovery.
	You probably have an idea what that's like.
	It's pretty intense.
	Yes.
	And so I'm sitting here and it was kind of interesting that you picked up my call.
	I was a little surprised because I was mindlessly dialing as I was doing research on On the internet.
	Mindlessly dialing.
	Well, I have a pattern in my head.
	Now, I've got a lot of information on the antenna, and not a lot, not as much as I ought to.
	For example, we just went through terrible storms here in the desert tonight.
	Oh, really?
	I was afraid to put on the headphones when I first came on the program.
	Really?
	Yeah, oh yeah, we had lightning flying everywhere, you know, really a wild night.
	And my antenna, of course, is grounded out.
	Uh, for fear of a bolt coming right in here to the room.
	No kidding.
	Um, but even under normal times, sir, there remains voltage unexplained on my antenna, uh, a very significant, large amount of voltage, enough to knock you right on your butt.
	And we're going to explore that.
	I've got to get the right kind of instruments here and, and so on and so forth, but we're going to look into that and trust me, I'll keep you informed.
	Art, do you think that you've found an over-unity device in your own backyard?
	Yeah, that's pretty laughable, isn't it?
	Not really.
	I think maybe you've stumbled onto something.
	I think you're on the right track.
	A lot of people approach me and they ask me exactly that.
	And look, I don't know if there's enough current to really support anything or if I've stumbled into something that, you know, is sort of a partial thing and maybe there's a much more efficient way to extract energy from the atmosphere.
	With some variation of what I'm doing, but what I have, it proves something.
	I don't know what.
	Well, figure out how to capture it.
	I mean, isn't that going to be the key?
	That's one of the goals, but figuring out what it is and where it's coming from is like ahead of everything for me.
	I want to know where it's coming from.
	Absolutely.
	I'm just like you.
	I would, too.
	Art, thanks for updating me on that.
	Let me just say that I felt blue and sad all day long, and my mind kept going back and To 9-11, and it really, really did have an impact, and I truly believe that there's a group psychological aspect to the whole country feeling the same thing.
	There's something about it.
	But when I watched the coverage and the airplanes going into the buildings on CNN earlier today, it's like I could only take about a minute of it, and I said, you know, this is too much.
	And so I'm just curious whether other people feel that way, kind of like it's so emotional that when you see it, it's like, Art, I haven't watched anything.
	I was only listening to the radio because I was working, but even that was, it's too evocative of, I just keep going back to that day, that morning when I heard about it from a call from a girlfriend of mine.
	And it was, it was horrifying.
	She was horrified and it just set me into it.
	And I, I saw it when the second plane went in and it was just, it's terrible.
	I mean, it's a terrible, terrible thing.
	And it's a very, very sad day to pass through it, but maybe it'll make us stronger by going through it.
	Every day, one step forward in the future.
	I very much appreciate your call.
	Thank you very much for taking me.
	And you know, we should talk, perhaps we should talk, about the current political situation in a sense.
	To me it looks like Kerry's campaign is imploding.
	I wonder if you have that same sense.
	And he's campaigning on these war records and all the rest of it when You know, we were in a discussion last night about this, and he's kind of imploding because he doesn't have much of a message.
	Kerry doesn't seem to have much of a message anyway, one that seems to be resonating with the people.
	And I wonder why he's not doing more of an anti-war campaign.
	I wonder why he's not challenging the President in that specific arena, instead of arguing about old military records, which I don't think is going to move the American people one way or the other in the end.
	You've got to wonder why he hasn't made it about the war, unless he's supportive of the war.
	Anyway, watching the whole campaign unfold in front of our eyes is kind of interesting, and watching what's going on right now is kind of interesting.
	I'm very much Interested in politics, but not particularly interested in either one of the candidates.
	Not on fire about either one of the candidates.
	I love political elections where I can really be on fire about a candidate.
	But in this particular election, I'm just not on fire either way.
	I'm sort of sitting back and watching it in a kind of a detached way.
	International Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	How are you?
	I'm very well, sir.
	And you?
	I was wondering, has Harlot made an appearance since October 23, 1997?
	Has Harp?
	Harlot.
	Harlot!
	Oh, Harlot!
	Oh my God, that's an old show.
	I have not talked with Harlot since the last program we did.
	And she has not been in contact with you?
	No, she has not been in contact with me.
	And I don't know if I want to be in contact with her.
	That show...
	Well, it scared me.
	That show scared me.
	And it should have scared you.
	You heard it, obviously, right?
	Well, of course I heard it.
	How could you not be scared by a woman who would see her child go to hell, do everything she could to see to it that her child... Well, I worship Satan.
	Oh, my God.
	Do you really?
	Yes.
	So, obviously, I would love it.
	And I do love it.
	And I wish you would have her on the air again.
	Let us explore this a little bit.
	You worship Satan.
	Yes.
	Who do you consider Satan to be?
	Someone that is wonderful and majestic.
	Wonderful and majestic.
	Do you believe that the traditional view of Satan is wrong?
	I mean, you obviously must feel that way.
	You know, that Satan is negative, Satan is evil, Satan is everything dark.
	I don't see him that way.
	That's the way that... Well, how did Satan get such a bad rap?
	Well, I guess it must be, you know, Jehovah is an enemy.
	And obviously he's going to paint a bad rap about the person who follows the devil, but I don't really follow Satan in a context that people would consider negative.
	You think this whole hell thing is wrong?
	That, you know, if you're a really... Well, I absolutely believe in hell.
	You do?
	Yeah.
	And how do you picture hell?
	I mean, is hell also misrepresented?
	Many of us, Christians of course, Think of fire, and brimstone, and heat, and torture, and eternal torture, and that's hell, you know?
	Eternal awfulness.
	Well, Art, the problem is that people have been misguided by mainstream Christianity.
	And they have the wrong interpretation of Satan and hell.
	Do they now?
	So I suppose, given the opportunity to go, if you died, to go to the light or the darkness... I would absolutely go to the darkness.
	You'd go to happily just whistling along right into the darkness.
	Art, I am perfectly possessed.
	It sounds like it.
	It sounds like it.
	You obviously recall the Malachi Martin shows to even be using that phrase, right?
	Oh, I'm his biggest fan.
	Oh, sure you are.
	Oh, I am.
	I like Father Martin.
	You do?
	In fact, I speak to priests all the time.
	You do, huh?
	Yeah, of course.
	Actually, I'm going to receive my first communion and confirmation pretty soon.
	Yeah?
	Yeah.
	Into the Devil's Club?
	No, into the Catholic Church.
	church. What? No. So then you think that the devil's in the church?
	Well, um, maybe not, but I intend to bring him in.
	Matter of fact... You're going to bring the devil into the church?
	You're going to do that?
	Well, I'm going to try.
	Oh, man.
	I'll tell you what.
	You hold on, all right?
	All right.
	Uh-huh.
	You're just what I need.
	A saved worshiper.
	What do you think?
	See?
	For real?
	Or is that unadulterated B.S.
	that he's just saying for affection.
	Satan worshipers.
	We'll be right back.
	Sweet dreams are made of these.
	Who am I to disagree?
	I travel the world and the seven seas.
	Everybody's looking for something.
	Some of them want to use you.
	Some of them want to get used by you Some of them want to...
	It is nice...
	Some of them want to get used by you Some of them want to...
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	Aww, that's too bad my devil guy didn't stick around and his line filled right back up again.
	Maybe I'll never know, but I suspect that he was not being quite level with us.
	Although, there were the aspects that caused me to hold him over, or try to hold him over anyway, of the possibility of it.
	Now, the young lady that I had on the program that he was referring to, she was the real McCoy.
	She was so scary, that caused my skin to crawl.
	Many of you, of course, will not remember that program, but this is a young lady who was devoted to Lucifer, so devoted to Lucifer that she guaranteed me she would do everything in her power to see to it that her own child went straight to hell.
	I mean, it was, you would have had to have heard it and heard her voice to know how sincere she was.
	It was just, it was almost too much.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey Art, I wanted to Play a game of make-believe with you.
	I do that every day.
	If you were Vladimir Putin, and your country had been, had four terrorist attacks, one of them particularly gruesome, what would you do at this point?
	I'm going to be absolutely honest with you.
	I think exactly what he's done, and he's basically, I believe, said that Russia will now Well, I say good for them.
	terrorists wherever they are in the world. That implies that Russia will take preemptive,
	unilateral action to go into any country in the world where they think there are terrorists
	and take them out. Well, I say good for them. I think what they could do first and do the
	world a favor is go in and take out that nuclear reactor before Israel does or we do. Which
	In Iran, I'm sorry.
	In Iran, yes.
	I don't know, I suppose that if somebody else doesn't, Israel will get around to it.
	Yeah, and I think that would cause big problems, but I think nobody would mess with Russia at this point, considering what they have gone through.
	And after that, they need to send out special forces units armed with, I don't know, piano wire and Take these guys out where they live.
	The Russians do a lot of that, sir.
	In fact, you may recall that the Russians at various times challenged to be as awful as they could be, lived up to every minute of it.
	When Russians were kidnapped, the Russian KGB or whatever agency in Russia Had a number of the terrorists killed and sent their body parts back to those who were holding Russians for ransom.
	And I think, if I remember correctly, they were promptly released.
	The Russians play real hard.
	And they've been hit terribly.
	I mean, if you could imagine 200 children and then, what, another 100 and some odd adults destroyed, killed in that attack.
	I believe Russia, and I believe that they will do exactly what they have said they will do, and it could cause a number of international problems.
	It's hard to go marching into another country and just go after people, but that's exactly what they're going to do.
	We live in very dangerous times.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hi, Art.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	Sure.
	I've called three or four times before, talked to George, and relayed some UFO stories and time warp stories.
	What I want to relay now is something I find more important, especially being that it's September 12th.
	These are my political views.
	I have three little things I want to mention here.
	I'll try to go as quickly as I can.
	Please.
	Thank you, sir.
	I think it is extremely important, first and foremost, to complete a viable thing.
	That stretches along the Mexican-U.S.
	border.
	What kind of defense would that be?
	A fence!
	A fence!
	A real fence!
	A real fence!
	Let's get some big concrete slabs, barbed wire, throw her down, put the money in it.
	Let's stop wasting money on, A, a drug war, I find, is not in complete best interest of the American public.
	And B, pork barrel politics.
	Money put into finding out what type of peanuts Americans prefer.
	You know, and stop not only illegal aliens from crossing over, but it seems now the Middle Eastern people are taking the notion of it's easy to, hey, let's just cross over.
	Do it in mass numbers.
	Some of this will flip through.
	Alright, I appreciate your call.
	I wonder what everybody else thinks about the concept of a fence.
	All the way along our southern border.
	Do you really think such an idea would fly?
	I don't think so.
	I think probably parallels would be made to the Berlin Wall and that sort of thing.
	And I'm not sure that even with a fence, while it might certainly stop some drug traffic, make it tougher on the drug traffickers, it would mostly stop the average For example, Mexican or South American trying to make it across our border to better their lives.
	It would stop them, but would it stop somebody intent on doing us real harm?
	I don't think so.
	I think they would still find a way to do it.
	So a fence might be seen by the rest of the world in a pretty ugly way, but that's a small point.
	If we needed it, then so be it.
	I just think it would stop mostly The poor illegal aliens who want to make it over here to earn a better living and would not stop those who wish us dead.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hey Art, how you doing?
	I'm doing okay.
	This is Mark McClellan from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, 104.7 FM News Talk.
	Yes, sir.
	Hey, um, about that blast on the China border, are they saying North Korea set off a nuclear bomb?
	You've asked a very interesting question.
	The first thing I saw suggested it might have been a nuclear explosion.
	However, the CNN story I just read said it definitely is not a nuclear explosion.
	And yet, you know, there's a cloud there that would suggest nuclear.
	And there's, I guess, a hole in the ground that would suggest it might have been something as extensive as a nuclear bomb.
	So it's up in the air right now.
	We don't know.
	What's China saying?
	What's China saying?
	Not much yet.
	They're really not saying anything that I've got my hands on yet, so... They could pick up the fallout.
	It certainly would not surprise me... Yeah?
	...if North Korea lit off a nuke.
	Yeah?
	And I assume it wouldn't surprise you.
	Not a bit.
	Not a bit.
	Hey, um, you ever talk about 9-11?
	Yes.
	I'm 40 years old, okay?
	And our buddy of mine is 62.
	And 104.7 here ran a really good tribute for 9-11.
	It was hard to listen to, it was that good.
	Yeah.
	And we both said the same thing.
	What?
	Wasn't that 100 years ago?
	Well, no, there's no time war problem here for me with 9-11.
	I understand what you're suggesting, but no, it wasn't 100 years ago, it was Just a few years ago, sir, and again, I really am curious how many of the rest of you have seen the coverage that began yesterday, actually, even the previous day, of the 9-11 events, and I'm wondering how you reacted to them, seeing them again.
	You know, mostly in between, we've stopped showing pictures of the planes going into the buildings.
	But, of course, yesterday, for obvious reasons, CNN picked it up again and began doing it.
	And I reacted very strongly to it.
	Very strongly.
	Strongly enough that I said to myself, and I know my wife did too, you know, I can't watch this again.
	It kind of puts you back into it again.
	I understand.
	It's very important.
	And believe me, I'll never forget September 11.
	Never, ever.
	To get yourself back in that emotional state, maybe it's too soon for that kind of thing for some of us.
	I just don't know.
	It's an interesting psychological study.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, I'm Greg from Hollywood, California.
	Yes, hi Greg.
	Well, I actually, I called because earlier tonight I saw what I believe was a UFO.
	Earlier tonight?
	Earlier tonight.
	I had just gotten off work.
	I work over in Hollywood also, but when I was driving home, I Probably in the East Hollywood area or like Eastern.
	There was like an orange glowing light in the sky.
	It was pretty big from what I could see when I was pretty far away from it.
	As I got a little bit closer to where I live, it was probably about a quarter mile away and I could actually start to see like the structure of it.
	I mean it looked like it was huge.
	It probably looked about the length of a football field.
	You know, everywhere else in the country, this would be a startling thing, but when you're in Hollywood, for starters, I mean, if you look up in the sky and see something really weird, you've got to remember you're in Hollywood, but you think, I mean, Hollywood's a big place, right?
	L.A.
	all around it and everything?
	Huge.
	So, millions of people would see something the size of what you're talking about.
	Right, that's what I was expecting.
	That's really what I was calling about, to see if anyone else had seen it.
	Because I was actually, like, a couple nights before I was out in Malibu also, and I saw something similar to it, but it was so far away, I couldn't tell.
	I mean, it was, like, miles away.
	It was, like, out off the coast of Malibu, probably, like, 10 miles away.
	You don't think it could have been some Hollywood stunt?
	I'm pretty sure it wasn't.
	I mean, from what I could see, it definitely looked like it was huge.
	I mean, it had a lot of, like, you could see the structure of it, and it It honestly, it looked like Saturn or something had come down and it was sitting in our atmosphere, you know?
	I mean, it looked that big from where I was.
	All right, well, you're right.
	We're both right.
	There are millions of people there.
	Millions.
	And if something that spectacular showed up over Hollywood, I'm sure there'll be millions of supporting calls here.
	Or somebody will call and tell us what it was.
	International Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi, turn your radio off, please.
	Okay.
	That's number one.
	Hi.
	Yeah.
	Where are you calling from?
	From Rialto, California.
	Okay, and what's up?
	Uh, I was calling because, um, well, I had some friends that had, well, told me about this, something about a Siberian hole.
	Oh!
	How it sounded weird, real evil, and I just didn't, I always listen to you every weekend, and I've never gotten a chance to hear that.
	So I was just, my curiosity is wanting to, you know, Are you really sure you want to understand what this is about?
	You sound like you might be perhaps Hispanic.
	Yes, I am.
	Okay.
	Catholic?
	No, Christian.
	Oh, Christian?
	Yes.
	Strong religious beliefs, I'll bet.
	Yes.
	Well, this could be somewhat traumatic for you.
	I mean, I sort of, I don't know how I knew, but I guess I knew the second I heard your voice that you were a very religious young lady.
	And have you been told the story of what this supposedly is?
	Not exactly, just a little bit, you know, something that it's I'm not too sure where it's at.
	Maybe I think Russia.
	Is that right?
	Or am I wrong?
	Siberia is correct.
	You were correct the first time.
	And the story is it was carried by Reuters.
	And the story involves some scientists who were drilling the deepest hole that's ever been drilled.
	And in fact, that is in Siberia.
	That's certainly true.
	That part of it is absolutely true.
	OK.
	And the story suggests that microphones were lowered into the ground at one point.
	And they did recordings, and after they heard what was recorded, they capped this whole off and ran like you know what.
	And I'll play this for you.
	It may scar you for some time after you hear this, but here's what they recorded, and now
	you'll know why they ran.
	They win.
	The other side.
	My God, that's awful.
	Thank you.
	Absolutely awful.
	You can hear a man's voice.
	You can hear the screaming, and that's it.
	You just heard it.
	Lord, oh, man.
	That just gave me chills all over my body.
	I thought it might.
	So that's something to think about, something to remember, and hopefully not something to look forward to.
	Oh, man.
	No, no, no.
	That's awful.
	That's really awful.
	Have a good night's sleep.
	You remember, you asked for it.
	Oh, the Lord is with me.
	Yes.
	And I have faith in Him.
	Yes.
	He's always protecting us.
	Uh-huh.
	Our family.
	Yes, you keep looking at it that way.
	And good luck.
	And I don't know.
	I hesitate these days to play that.
	However, she asked for it.
	I could kind of sense she was a very religious gal and this is one of those things some people say it's a urban legend of some sort but there was quite a bit of rather mainstream news coverage about it so you can choose to believe what you will of it but I understand believe me I understand how it can set somebody like her well and just not be right for a day we can't take your last name on the air so let's start all over again your name is Chad Yeah.
	And you're calling from where, Chad?
	I'm a truck driver driving through Nebraska.
	Through Nebraska.
	Okay.
	What's up?
	Well, I was wondering, has anybody reported any UFO sightings by the I-84 door over the last week?
	Now you see, I know you're not just asking that out of the blue, so it must mean that you saw something.
	Well, yeah, me and my stepson, we teamed driving, and we were heading westbound, right past Lincoln.
	And I was looking in the sky, and the sun was setting.
	Couldn't see the sun, but it was still pretty bright out.
	But there was three really, really bright objects, probably about five, six miles out from us, heading out west.
	They were just like really bright lights.
	I mean, they weren't too big, but they were spread out over probably about a mile area.
	And there was three of them, and they were kind of like a triangle-shaped formation, but they were so far out you could see it, and they were stationary.
	What do you think you saw, Jim?
	Well, I would think it would be a UFO.
	Well, of course it's a UFO, but let's get really down to cases.
	It's an unidentified flying object, no question about that.
	Do you think you saw an alien craft?
	I would say probably three, yes.
	That's a yes.
	I've seen them twice.
	Twice.
	Alright, and this was on, or just off I-80, about where?
	It's past Lincoln, Nebraska.
	I really couldn't tell you, I know it's It was between Lincoln and York.
	All right, good enough.
	Well, we'll ask the rest of the audience if anybody else has seen such a thing.
	But assuming that you did see an alien craft, you know, it brings up the question of what we're listening for if they're already here with regard to SETI, right?
	And you know what they'd say if they were here?
	SETI, that is.
	They'd say, well, there is no proof.
	Well, many millions of all of you, many millions of Americans now, have seen these craft.
	Many millions, as Chad does, believe that they are alien craft.
	And so, you know, it begs a lot of questions.
	I mean, what are they doing here?
	Why are they observing us?
	Why are they taking cows and mutilating them?
	And right now it does really look as though it is them that does that sort of thing.
	We certainly have not explained it.
	Some of the crop circles?
	No question.
	Done by others.
	And so why are they here?
	What do they want?
	Well, it's been my view that nothing good, necessarily, as far as we're concerned.
	And that's another subject we could cover tonight, if you would like to, and that is the intent of those who are watching us, observing us, or, I don't know, tugging on our strings as though we were marionettes, causing us to do what they want us to do.
	Or do you think the whole thing is baloney?
	I don't know.
	That's one of the reasons we're here in the middle of the night, talking to all of you, trying to figure out the answers, the real answers to those questions.
	I'm Art Bell, and the program is Coast to Coast AM.
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	When you find that you love the girl you don't have.
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	That's the nature of Open Lines, unscreened, unprepared, and usually pretty wild.
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	Alright, now in the middle of the night it's just the two of us.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Mr. Bell.
	Good morning.
	Mr. Caller, where are you?
	Uh, Small Stones, Arkansas.
	Okay, Arkansas.
	What's up?
	I'm not really a regular listener.
	Only when customers get me out in the middle of the night.
	And I don't really follow the communists.
	Not the communists, but the Clinton News Network.
	North Korea probably did set off a nuke over there.
	They may well have, I don't know.
	But getting to Kerry.
	You can't pin him down to nothing.
	He won't talk about his last 20 years in the Senate.
	And his last 20 years that he has been in the Senate, he wants to take from everybody and give to the people that don't want to work.
	You're, I take it, a Bush supporter?
	I'm a moderate conservative.
	And I like somebody that will stand up for what he believes in and take that stance.
	Regardless whether it's a popular or an unpopular stance.
	That I respect.
	Do you?
	Yes.
	So then, what is it you think we're doing in Iraq?
	Cleaning out a hornet's nest.
	You think so?
	Yes, sir.
	Boy, there's hornet's nests all over the place, and some of the other hornets have nuclear weapons and stuff like that, so we've got a lot of cleaning to do.
	I don't think they're finished.
	When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, And we only visit that once a year, which is a shame.
	We went straight after them.
	So then do you think we ought to attack Iran?
	Do you feel that?
	They have the opportunity to come clean first.
	Kid Goofy in Libya.
	And what about North Korea?
	They definitely.
	I mean, who knows?
	They may be about to explode a nuclear.
	They might have just done it, or whatever.
	They don't like us at all.
	Yeah, and our president... So, do you think they should be second after Iran, or should we get Korea first?
	Korea's going to be a whole other situation, because our previous president, before this one, just went to bed with them and said, whatever you do is fine.
	Yeah, but see that was then and this is now, and gee now, they're a nuclear power.
	I don't think they're quite there yet.
	So should we get them before they become a strong nuclear power?
	Yes.
	Yes, okay, well that's a lot of work for us to do.
	It certainly is, isn't it?
	To get out there and clean up the world like that, the entire world.
	I'm pretty curious what we're doing in Iraq, and I still don't know.
	I did not... I told you I didn't know before we went into Iraq, and I still don't know what we're doing there, really.
	It may be an opportunity, certainly, to kill some terrorists, or would-be terrorists, or real bad people.
	You know, I acknowledge that Saddam Hussein and his whole crew were generally real bad people.
	But we went to war, didn't we?
	And I just have yet, I think, to see what justified our young men and women dying.
	A thousand of them now, right?
	What is it that justifies that?
	Is it oil?
	Well, it's probably not weapons of mass destruction, but certainly would be in Korea as a first priority, right?
	So, there's something else going on, something perhaps we have not been told about.
	A wild card line, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Art?
	That would be me.
	Art, this is Dave in Rochester, Minnesota.
	Hello, Dave.
	And what I'd like to talk about tonight is how the face of war changes once it starts.
	Oh?
	Alright, well this one's well underway.
	Yeah, yes it is well underway.
	And if you take an example of our Civil War, it began as a treasonous thing, a secessionist thing.
	You can't cut the Mississippi River in half.
	And then once our troops got south and saw how these people were being treated, it became moral.
	And this is why Patton and Bradley and Eisenhower had our first immigration troops walk through the concentration camps.
	Sir, do you think that the war in Iraq began as an immoral war and became moral?
	I believe it started as a political war and then has changed into a moral conflict.
	So it's found its moral reason to be.
	And that reason is?
	And that reason is who knows what the desert holds.
	I'm sorry, I have a problem with that.
	That's not a moral reason.
	That's like the reason the man climbed the mountain.
	Why do you climb mountains?
	Well, because it's there.
	That's a hassle.
	I don't know.
	Stating because it's there is probably not the highest moral reason that I've ever heard somebody utter.
	Ease of the Rockies.
	You're on the air alone.
	Yeah, I'll tell you what.
	I think I decided a week or five ago that... You're going to have to get good and close to the phone.
	Where are you calling from?
	Okay, okay.
	Real close to the phone.
	Yell at me.
	Here, I've got the real phone here.
	That's my boy.
	I'm in Spring, Maryland.
	Maryland, and your name?
	Ian.
	Ian.
	Okay, Ian, what's up?
	All right, all right.
	I think for one thing, because the last caller, it reminds me, I decided a week or five ago that there is such a thing as the why not argument, and I don't care for it.
	It doesn't really move me.
	Are you applying the why not argument to the war?
	Right.
	In other words, let's think of the reasons why we're doing this, and your reason would be, well, what the hell, why not?
	That's what that other guy was saying.
	Right.
	Well, no, wait!
	The other guy was saying there was this giant moral reason that had come to be since we began the war.
	That's what he was saying.
	He wasn't saying, why not?
	You might be saying, why not?
	And I guess you are, huh?
	No, no.
	I was putting words in his mouth.
	I see.
	I see.
	But at any rate, I think fortunately, I do think there's at least one race of extraterrestrials who is trying to make sure that we don't destroy ourselves.
	Well, what kind of job are they doing?
	Well, I don't know, but it's maybe fairly effective so far.
	I've heard more than once of craft, unidentified, unknown craft.
	Maybe stopping military bases from... Now you're on to something.
	You're absolutely right.
	In one instance, here in America, the objects hovered above our silos and actually shut down a number of intercontinental ballistic missiles.
	Actually shut them down.
	It's pretty well documented.
	And then in Russia, There were some objects that hovered above Russian military silos back in the bad old days of the Soviet Union and began a launch sequence.
	And if that doesn't scare you, there's nothing in this world that will.
	So I guess those two arguments might be made, and you might be right.
	Perhaps, you know, they're kind of laying a warning on us.
	Here's what you can do to each other.
	And look how big a mistake you can easily make.
	What do you think, sir?
	Right, right.
	That's generally your argument.
	Yeah.
	Okay, got it.
	Yes, well, indeed that happened.
	On the other hand, one could argue that there have been a number of successful nuclear tests that they could have intervened to stop, right?
	So, you could argue either way on this.
	There was an incident in the Soviet Union, there was an incident in America, but the bombs did drop in Japan and did kill that many people.
	Hiroshima, Nagasaki, that happened.
	We have tested endlessly.
	Most of that went pretty much alright, even above ground testing, and no intervention.
	So, I don't know, you could argue either way.
	What's to the Rockies?
	You're on the air, hi.
	Hello, yes, I was wondering what you had on the idea that we're all just aliens, and that actually when we die, the bright light that we go to is the mothership?
	Well, I had a guest once who said exactly that, that we are all, or the majority of us, are aliens.
	And he did it in quite a straight-faced way.
	I don't know about the light being the mothership waiting to pick up our souls, but there was an awfully interesting story about a translator on the moon.
	And I'm trying to recall who told that fairly recently at that, that captured Received and retransmitted souls.
	And of course, many things we're told about the aliens seem to deal with our souls.
	Us, all of us, as vessels.
	And the real contentious point, and that which is being fought for, our souls.
	And that also works with the Bible, doesn't it?
	Very biblical, a war over our souls.
	International Line, you're on the air.
	Turn your radio off, please.
	All right.
	Okay.
	I've got a question for you about shadow people.
	Okay.
	I've seen shadow people ever since I was probably four years old.
	But it's in a weird... I don't really see them, like, real time.
	Like, you know, here I am talking to you.
	I see a shadow person.
	It's always in a lucid dream.
	Oh.
	And when I was a small child, I had this really strange dream, and I saw the shadow people.
	I said there were, like, hundreds of them, and they were calling my name.
	And then, yeah, it was really freaky.
	And I woke up, and I was just in my bed or whatever.
	But later on in life, I was 18 years old.
	And I'd fall asleep on the couch in the afternoon and sort of have an out-of-body experience, I guess.
	And in my dream, a shadow person was coming towards me.
	And I woke up and I was in that out-of-body state where you can't hardly move, I guess.
	Well, in a state like that, a shadow person ought to be able to get you.
	Yeah, but I didn't feel like that first time that they were trying to get me.
	The second time, which happened within a week, I did feel threatened by it.
	They've never harmed me or anything, and I've only seen them, like, on a kind of lucid dream.
	It's really weird.
	That is weird.
	Well, thanks.
	I don't know what to tell you, except Shadow People, the whole concept of it, somehow came alive on this program, as it frequently does.
	Just one person makes one call and describes one thing, and that ignites millions of people out there who have had the same experience.
	That's how we know when we're on to something here.
	The mailbox just lights up, and that's Of course, is what occurred with Shadow People.
	And it's kind of been an ongoing topic ever since.
	Not exactly ghosts, not exactly spirits conjured on a Ouija board or anything like that, but a whole different class of beings known as the Shadow People.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yeah, just very quickly.
	This is Joe from South Texas, Nelson.
	Somewhat long-time listener.
	Yes.
	Just very quickly, some years ago you had a guest on and it caught the butt end of it.
	I'm interested in tomb raiding, well just the game and the idea.
	I don't know.
	I'm sure you would remember some guy about tomb raiding that he would be very well armed and so on.
	Tomb raiding?
	The video game tomb raiding?
	Well, the game, but this other person that you had on, which I caught just the last part of it.
	I don't recall having somebody on.
	Was it me or perhaps George?
	No, it was you.
	It was when you were on full time.
	Okay.
	Well, I just wanted to say if you remember, if you could have that guy on again.
	Anyhow, the other part was Gabriel, the mercenary?
	Yes.
	Are you ever going to get contact by that guy ever again?
	Or does he call you?
	Are you ever going to have anybody like that again?
	Okay, well that's a good question, to which I don't have a good answer.
	I don't maintain contact really with any of these people, nor do I know how to contact them.
	So I depend on contact from people of that sort, and toward that end, the way to reach me in the modern world is the way to reach most everybody these days.
	Email does the trick.
	So if you're a very unusual person of that sort, Hey Art, this is Greg.
	I'm calling from Montana.
	can do so at the following addresses artbell at minespring.com or artbell at aol.com. Let
	me give those again. Artbell at aol.com or artbell at minespring.com.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hello.
	Hey Art, this is Greg. I'm calling from Montana.
	Yes, Greg.
	Hey, a couple years ago you had a guy on and he talked about this deep hole in the desert
	down in your area, I believe.
	Well, it was initially Mel's Hole and then sort of Mel's Hole 2.
	The one down here in the desert was really creepy.
	Really creepy.
	Yes, I know what you're talking about.
	What about it?
	I was wondering if you had planned on having him back.
	Well, again, that's just like the question from the last caller.
	I really don't stay in touch with these people.
	They stay in touch with me, and when there's something new to be said, that's how to get a hold of me.
	So if it's Mel of Mel's Hole, and that was creepy.
	The last story he told about the Nevada Hole was totally creeped me out.
	But if Mel has more to say, he knows how to get a hold of me.
	Ease to the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, my name's Scott.
	I'm calling from Clearwater, Florida.
	Hello, Scott.
	Hello, Art.
	You mentioned, why did we go to Iraq?
	A quotation by Henry Kissinger the night we attacked on CNN.
	I was watching live.
	Yes.
	We're about ready to start bombing and there was a quote by Henry Kissinger.
	He said, the road to Jerusalem runs through Baghdad.
	That's interesting because the name Kissinger equals 666.
	You think Mr. Kissinger is the Antichrist?
	Well, I'm not saying he's the Antichrist, but... Well, that's what that implies.
	Years ago, about 1980, this computer builder who built the computer systems for the European Union said that the word computer equals 666.
	And he was asked, how do you come up with this?
	Young, good, I'm glad.
	How did he answer that?
	Well, he used the R alphabet, which is 26 letters.
	A would be 6, B would be 12, He would be 18, you know, just add 6 to each continuing letter.
	I wonder if the computer and the internet itself could be the Antichrist.
	What if the Antichrist is not actually an entity or a person or something that becomes flesh and blood, but rather a whole thing, like the computer and the internet and the whole schmear.
	What if it's the Antichrist?
	What if that connectivity, that virtual web, turns out to be the communications device for the Antichrist?
	There's a concept for you.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yeah, hi.
	It's Lindsey from San Diego.
	Coco?
	Yes, hi, Lindsey.
	How you doing, brother?
	How are you?
	Good, what's up?
	Well, I was just going to discuss the UFO phenomenon and why, really, UFOs appear to be here.
	Okay, sure.
	I thought you might get a kick out of that buddy of yours across the street.
	I was up there when you had the helicopter visit about six, eight years ago.
	Oh, yes.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I guess he's quit doing done right.
	And, well, I just thought I'd touch base.
	I can't believe I got a hold of you.
	Yes, you have.
	So why is it you think they're here?
	Well, you know, it's very apparent that one of the things we're not taking consideration is there's a time element or a clock that seems to be ticking that somebody else, maybe in the government or globally, are aware of, and the clock may have to do with something that we're totally not in control of, like an asteroid maybe is going to be in a collision with the Earth, and perhaps aliens have been sent here for one simple reason, to take samples of everything that's on Earth in the event that we have complete Catastrophic destruction of the Earth itself.
	So you think then, obviously, that if something catastrophic is about to occur, no matter what it would be, whether our own hand nuclear war or a gigantic life-ending rock sailing at us from space, that they'd come in, intervene, and save our butts, right?
	Well, and not particularly.
	What if we already knew what the future was going to foretell?
	And what if the alien contact is based on something that's going to happen in the near future that's already... that people are... that our government is aware of?
	And what if the government is working in compliance with alien contact in order to actually save the physical specimens for everything that's on Earth?
	Alright, I got it.
	Well, that's a lot of what-ifs.
	You know, what-if, what-if, what-if, what-if.
	Maybe... I guess you can go along with that.
	Well, if all of that happened, then yes, maybe.
	But is there any indication that all of that is ahead for us?
	No.
	So what are we left with?
	A bunch of what-ifs.
	You never know.
	From the high desert in the middle of the night doing what we do best, I'm Art Bell.
	Happy and I'm fine.
	I'm Art Bell.
	But the mother and child reunion is only a motion away.
	Oh, I've been gone for a while.
	I can't follow life for me, remember a Saturday, I know they say let it be, just don't look
	out that way, the course of a lifetime runs, over and over again.
	But I would not give you false hope now, on this rainy, mournful day, but the mother
	of child, you will not, it's only a motion away.
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	Hey, you remember the guy who's a saint worshipper?
	Said he was anyway.
	Well, maybe his masters intervened because he's managed to get through again, so he'll be right back
	If I recall properly and I think that I do as we were at the point we were disconnected this caller I
	Was telling us that he was going to get into the church See if he's there.
	Are you there, caller?
	I'm sorry about that.
	Listen, when I was on hold before, it went to some kind of a default message.
	Did it now?
	Yeah, and then it went into a busy signal and I got cut off.
	Do you think perhaps the long hand of He who you worship perhaps came along and Snap the line?
	Oh, I hope not!
	Well, if I recall correctly, you were suggesting you were going to get into the church and bring Satan into the church.
	Well, that's already been done, though.
	Well, you were going to, nevertheless, somehow help the process along.
	Well, sure.
	I mean, there absolutely are Satanists inside the Roman Catholic Church.
	So far.
	I mean, Father Malachi would have told you that.
	He did.
	He did tell me that.
	Yeah.
	But you sound... How old are you?
	I'm 30.
	You're 30?
	Yep.
	And when did it come to you that the right path for you was, well, straight down?
	Oh, well, October 23rd, 1997.
	Actually, your show, when Harlot came on, that's when I dedicated my life to the devil.
	You were converted at that very point, huh?
	Yep.
	So thanks to your show, I'm on the road I'm on.
	And I... That'd be the road to hell.
	Yeah, well yeah.
	The thing is, a lot of people have a misconception about fakeness.
	Do they?
	Sure.
	And what misconception are they burdened with?
	Well, they think that we're kind of ugly looking, and we dress in black, and we have long hair, and we look like the guys from Deicide.
	In actual fact, I guess we look like everybody else does.
	I mean, I pretty much work a normal job.
	Just as warm and fuzzy as anybody else, huh?
	Yeah, I think I am.
	Well, but there's this dark side to you.
	Well, sure.
	That comes out in ritual, which is performed.
	I remember you had a Church of Satan representative on the air.
	I did, yes.
	Not real impressive, frankly, Art, but... Really?
	Yeah.
	And what would you have said in his place that would have been real impressive?
	Well, he's an atheist.
	What would have been real impressive?
	Oh, Harlow was impressive.
	Well, I know that, but I'm asking, what would have impressed you, or how would you have impressed me or the audience if you'd been a guest as a Satan worshipper?
	Well, I would have come at things probably from far more of a non-atheistic, less material reductionist view.
	And more of a, Satan is a real entity, Satan is something to be loved and cherished and worshipped.
	Yeah, well, you know, Michael Aquino kind of had a good idea about this.
	I don't know if you're familiar with the Temple of Set.
	Aquino did a pretty good job with this.
	Up until they really got into the medallion and degree worshiping.
	Then they kind of screwed the pooch.
	Aren't you a little concerned for your soul?
	Well, I guess so.
	Well, good.
	You should be.
	I mean, after all, if Satan isn't everything you thought, and hell isn't everything that you thought it was, you're in for a rough ride.
	Well, I think I am pretty much... I know who's Well, I'm perhaps partway convinced.
	It would take more.
	kingdom awaits me and I will happily go there. You know, you kind of made a reference before
	the break that I was probably kind of BSing, but I assure you I'm not.
	Well, I'm perhaps partway convinced. It would take more.
	You communicate with me by email and convince me and we'll go from there.
	You just, you never know.
	I don't know.
	I'm kind of on the fence about you, to be honest.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Oh, yes.
	Hello, Art.
	Hi.
	This is Keith in Hamilton, Ontario.
	Yes, Keith.
	I just wanted to say, all these shows debunking did man land on the moon?
	Oh, yes.
	The Hubble telescope can spot a quarter at the bottom of the ocean, so why not aim it at the moon and see if it could pick up the flag?
	I didn't know I could spot a quarter at the bottom of the ocean.
	Where'd you hear that?
	That's just what I heard anyways.
	It's supposed to be quite a tracker.
	Well, I guess it's pretty good.
	They probably don't feel a need from the people who are perpetrating these stories about the fact that we didn't go to the moon.
	They don't feel enough pressure to have to prove that we went because they know we went.
	Also, I was just going to say too, I was fascinated with your show about the Amish.
	Oh, wasn't that something?
	Yeah.
	You know, we're in a world of what, you know, global world terrorism, hate crime, black crime, corporate corruption.
	The Amish, I've never heard a story, Amish men goes nuts, kills 12.
	No, you never heard of that.
	Actually, it was the Minamites.
	It wasn't, or it was a sect of the Amish or something, but he was calling them the Minamites.
	And I thought that was a rather unique name.
	And it was a unique show.
	To begin, to take the position that you're going to minimize everything technical in your life, and we live in an extremely technical society.
	Not something I'd likely do, but hearing about it was absolutely fascinating.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello Art, this is Joseph.
	I live in the land of fire and ice out here in New Mexico.
	Yes, Joseph.
	I wanted to talk to you about shadow people.
	Oh, okay.
	I read once where the ancient Chinese prescribed marijuana for their people with gout, and they gave a warning with this that said, don't take too much, you will see demons.
	I'm willing to bet you that a lot of your shadow people, I've experienced shadow people, and I have experimented, and I'm willing to bet you that a lot of your people who call in with shadow people, if they're honest with you, they have experimented as well.
	Well, it's worth considering and it's actually worth asking a lot of them, isn't it?
	Well, that comes from listening to George Norrie's host last night and what his topic was about.
	You mean his guest?
	Yes.
	What was it about?
	It was about, I forget the name of this drug they were talking about.
	DMT.
	DMT, yes.
	I've done a number of shows on it too, sure.
	It's a legitimate question, I think.
	How many of the people who have seen these creatures, these entities, these, if you want to call them shadow people, that's fine, whatever, but how many people, and then beyond that, if the majority of the answers were yes, I used something, then would you conclude that it's a door, that it opens a door to that sort of phenomena, or that it explains the phenomena itself, that they were taking some sort of hallucinatory drug, Many would say, well, okay, then fine.
	That simply explains the whole thing.
	But maybe not.
	Maybe what it really does is just open the door.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	All right.
	Yes.
	Am I correct?
	When I was in Anchorage, I seem to remember you were broadcasting from KENI many years ago, back in the 90s?
	Oh, you're absolutely correct.
	I used to walk past Westchester Lagoon when you were broadcasting.
	I used to go on a walk on the Tony Mills Coastal Trail.
	No kidding.
	When I lived there.
	It used to be easy to get on your show.
	Things have changed so much.
	Well, they do change, don't they?
	Yes.
	I wanted to mention something about the political situation.
	I was surprised a couple days ago, I went on the Bureau of Public Debt website from the link, and I found out that the debt this year is not $422 billion added, like we've been told, It was $585 billion.
	And we're going in debt very quickly.
	It's much faster than what they're telling us.
	Yeah, this is the Federal Government Bureau of Public Debt website, but the media won't report that figure.
	Well, and one of the reasons we're doing that is because we are at war, and wars cost a hell of a lot of money.
	Yes, and I thought of something.
	I was a Republican until last month when I changed to Independent largely because of this President.
	And I was thinking to myself, you know, you don't have to really like John Kerry a lot to just decide, like sometimes you're working with a piece of equipment and you just decide, well I've tried this, I've tried that, let's just hit the reset button.
	And that's kind of what I think people should do in the sense of President Bush.
	He doesn't really seem to do things competently, even if he chose something such as the course of action in Iraq, which I disagreed with and you disagreed with.
	But I feel that even if you decide to do that and it's the wrong course of action, once you've done it, You should do it competently and you shouldn't do it like Rumsfeld encouraged looting.
	He made a speech and he says, free people loot, free people make mistakes, we shouldn't shoot the looters.
	And that sort of started the whole country on, the Iraqis on a sense that they could defy us.
	And it proved that they could defy us.
	And I feel that I feel that we've just got to sort of hit the reset button on this presidency.
	Try something else.
	If we don't like Kerry, then we can... It does not look like that's what's going to happen.
	The Kerry campaign, in my opinion, seems to be floundering.
	And nobody's saying anything to me that particularly impresses me.
	And I'm not suggesting that George Bush is not prosecuting this effectively so far.
	We're running into a lot of resistance.
	It is true.
	I don't understand the reason why we're doing it, but it may well be that we're doing it fairly effectively.
	I hope so.
	I would very much—you'll never know how much I would like to understand the real reason why we're sending young men and women off to die.
	It may be that after the election we'll suddenly get a draft, because we're going to need it.
	We're getting spread pretty thin.
	And I still don't know exactly why we're doing what we're doing.
	Maybe you do.
	Wester the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello there.
	Hi.
	Turn your radio off, please.
	Okay.
	I've got it off.
	Good.
	My name's Jim.
	I'm calling from Seattle, Washington.
	Yes, Jim.
	And I was just wondering how much more those poor people down there in Florida can take?
	That's a really good question.
	My wife and I earlier saw somebody had written on the side of a building somewhere before they evacuated The names of the two hurricanes, and then finally this one, and then goodbye.
	We're out of here.
	I mean, a lot of people, I think, finally are throwing up their hands and saying, I'm going to go live in Idaho.
	Or something.
	Oh, yes.
	Yes.
	And I wouldn't blame them.
	But then you go into places like Idaho.
	Of course, you've got the severe winters.
	Well, I named Idaho because it doesn't have anything quite as severe as hurricanes.
	There are not too many parts of the country that don't have something awful.
	I'm a fan of storm stories on the Weather Channel, and they will endlessly show you the floods we have, the flash floods here in the desert, the F5 tornadoes.
	What was it, F5?
	Yeah, they had an F5 that they thought almost went to F6.
	That's unthinkable.
	Which is absolutely unthinkable.
	300 mile an hour winds.
	So everywhere in the country has something it has to put up with.
	And if you go all the way out west, where you have eternal springtimes in San Diego, then you have to worry about earthquakes or something.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I'm Jennifer and I'm calling from South Florida.
	And I just wanted to call and let you know that the people down in Florida, in South Florida, I heard you talk tonight about Well, like the previous caller saying something like, you wouldn't want to live here.
	Yeah, there's people, I suppose, in Florida now just sort of throwing up their hands and saying, three is too many, I'm out of here.
	I'll tell you, I've been very scared.
	I have two small kids.
	I work at night, that's what I'm calling now, but it's been really stressful.
	I was without lights for six days.
	Right.
	And, uh, I mean, I was getting to the point where I was already calling, you know, the City Commissioner.
	I was just so upset.
	No, I hear you.
	I mean, this would be never, seemingly never-ending stress.
	It's gone on, and on, and on, and on, and now it looks like we've got another one coming up the chute.
	I know.
	This one, bigger than ever, and... Is it?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I haven't seen it, you know, uh, really.
	I'm trying to, like, get the hurricane mode out of my mind.
	Hopefully this is the last one, but they're saying it's gonna hit, uh, Probably the panhandle, and I'm by Miami.
	Well, the latest is it's moved a little farther west than they thought.
	But you know what?
	As it starts north, there really are no guarantees at all of what it could do.
	And it could come in on the coast of Florida and still cut right across it.
	The science is not that well, you know, we don't have it down that well.
	Hurricanes just do weird things.
	Well, it's been really nice and kind of comforting, actually, with the weather guys down here on all the stations.
	It's on like 24 hours a day and it is kind of a comfort.
	But still, overall, it's stressful, right?
	I mean, three hurricanes in a row, it begins to get to you.
	Very stressful.
	So what about you?
	Are you going to stick it out in Florida?
	Yeah, I was born here.
	So I was born in Miami in 1968 and I haven't really had any Big hurricanes.
	I was here for Andrew, but I was up in the Coral Springs area.
	We lost a lot of big trees, but nothing like the people in Homestead.
	She was telling me she lived a month without light.
	A month without electricity?
	Yep, and I was six days and I was complaining, so I couldn't even imagine.
	You just simply don't realize how important electricity is in your life until it's gone, do you?
	Big time.
	Big time is right.
	Alright, thank you very much.
	And if you doubt it, I used to tell my audiences, go outside on a nice night some night, you know, with a flashlight, don't hurt yourself.
	And if you're able, throw off the main power switch to your house.
	And what you're going back into is kind of a tomb.
	Actually, it's a bad idea.
	Don't do that.
	But if you were to do that, you'd return to what's virtually a tomb inside.
	It's really weird.
	And I, too, feel for all of you in Florida.
	It does look, by the way, the storm track has shifted to the west.
	In fact, it was almost as if the hand of God or somebody moved it away from Jamaica.
	I wonder how many of you watched that?
	It was kind of bizarre.
	The storm was headed in a west-northwesterly direction, directly at Jamaica.
	The eye was going to make landfall on Jamaica and do absolute terror.
	But when it got to Jamaica, it turned left.
	It made a hard left and went directly west.
	And as much damage as was done, not nearly so much as could have been done, and that job was almost bizarre.
	And then it resumed a west-northwesterly course, but I mean it was so strange that it literally came up to that point, stopped cold, and turned left, as in going further west, just skirting Jamaica.
	It was an amazing Thing to watch.
	Uh, wildcard line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, turn your radio off, please.
	Alright, we're off.
	Oh, good.
	Alright.
	Alright, you're in a truck somewhere, right?
	I'm actually in a car.
	A car?
	Across the country.
	We're in Idaho right now.
	Idaho?
	I just talked about Idaho.
	Yeah, you did.
	We went through the Badlands, um, I guess two nights ago.
	Yes, sir.
	And we saw some really bizarre lights.
	And we just wondered if anybody else had seen anything like that.
	Or if you've ever heard about anything like that.
	It's like low blinking lights where there didn't seem to be any structures or houses or anything to make any sense of it.
	You know, you go back to the Badlands the next day and there's just nothing out there except these bizarre rock formations and everything.
	Nothing that seems like it would be giving off.
	Yeah, I've got to admit on long drives through the kind of areas that you're talking about, for me down in Texas a lot, in Arizona, and I do a lot of night driving because I prefer night driving actually.
	And you do see these things off in the distance that you never seem to get closer to.
	Right.
	And they just sort of hang there and twinkle at you.
	It's really weird.
	I know what you're talking about, but I have no idea what it is.
	Two other points.
	One, can you tell us where we can find out more information about that tape that you played of the noises and the holes in Siberia?
	Oh yeah, sure.
	You can research it on the Internet.
	And, uh, just go to Google and put in Russian hellhole or something like that.
	Hellhole?
	Hellhole.
	H-E-L-L-O-H-E-L.
	Hockey stick, you know, hell.
	Alright.
	And, uh, you know, there are many things that will say, well, it's a, you know, urban legend of some sort or another, but in fact the mainstream media did cover it, and it was a real story, and whether or not what I have is an actual recording, I have reason to believe that it is.
	Okay.
	Only other thing I want to say is that people do have a third choice in this election.
	There is Ralph Nader to vote for.
	You guys should consider that.
	Well, there is, but is he realistically electable?
	Well, I mean, that's a good question, but you're talking about the Kerry campaign.
	That's a really important question.
	But if the Kerry campaign really implodes in the next few weeks, as many people, not just yourself, lots of people are saying that it's really falling apart.
	If that happens, there's still a lot of people that really want to voice some sort of opposition to the direction that our country's going in.
	Well, you're right.
	I mean, it is a point.
	I mean, it's something you can I suppose do as sort of a protest, and that's what it is, kind of a protest.
	The whole election thing this year is very interesting from a number of points of view.
	Anyway, listen, we'll be back tomorrow night when hopefully we'll have a very good connection with Lynn McTaggart, tomorrow night's guest.
	From the high desert in the middle of the night, we're out of time, so good night all.
	It's been a pleasure.

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