Dr. Ronald Klatz reveals stem cells—pluripotent cells from five-day-old blastocytes or amniotic fluid—can reverse aging biomarkers by 5–10 years in six months, curing heart failure, diabetes, and Parkinson’s with $5K/year therapies. U.S. funding bans stifle progress while countries like France and India advance research, including viral-cancer links (e.g., chlamydia in plaques) and spinal bifida repairs via nerve regeneration. Global collaboration, especially in Asia, may democratize access despite patent risks, as 100,000+ Americans now live past 100, proving medicine’s potential to redefine human lifespan. [Automatically generated summary]
I vid you all, good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world 25 times on every single one of you covered like a blanket.
This program hosts the damn on my bell.
And this is going to be a fascinating night all the way around.
In the next hour, Dr. Platz may tell you how to live forever.
It's a real deal, folks, not some hokey pokey something is ahead of the main effort to make human lives longer in America.
Dr. Platz.
Now, I'm going to give you all kinds of reasons right here at the beginning of the program to go to our website, coast2coastam.com.
And the first reason would be my webcam shop taken just a few hours ago.
As the moisture moves up from Mexico, the desert becomes invaded with thunderstorms and all kinds of strange things.
And I took this picture, I don't know, a few hours ago.
And so there it is taken in my backyard.
That's what I lovingly call my backyard.
It's on the Art Bell webcam up there.
That's but one reason.
Another reason is I want you to see the Art Bell Burn in Hell video.
This is produced by some people.
As you know, there's a group of people out there who think that President Bush and his administration are the ones who killed the Americans in New York and plowed the airplanes into the building through some giant conspiracy.
They think President Bush and company did that to America.
And they just cannot believe that I don't go along with them.
So this group of what I call wingnuts has produced the R Bell Burning Hell video.
And I hope you get to see it before their website collapses and itself goes down to meet the Horned One.
Now, in a moment, what a treat I've got for you.
Bonnie Crystal.
Friend of mine, fellow ham operator.
Bonnie Crystal is a cave explorer and technologist.
She travels to remote areas of the globe in search of unknown portals into the underground world.
Bonnie is in the forefront of a new generation of wilderness explorers, as comfortable with satellite communications as she is with trekking through dense jungle, climbing the sheer face of a cliver, descending down a thousand-foot rope into the darkness of some sort of unknown abyss.
On a two-month-long expedition in the land of the ancient cloud people of Peru in a distant mountain range near the Amazon jungle, Bonnie has just discovered an area filled with thousands of caves, very, very deep caves.
Very deep.
Bonnie is on a quest to explore these vast, undiscovered chasms inside the earth, to seek out a strange world of mysterious life, to go boldly where no human has gone before, and come back alive.
When she's not underground, Ms. Crystal is also a best-selling author, a successful electronic inventor, and a businesswoman at home in Silicon Valley, California.
A friend of mine, in a moment, from Lima, Peru, she's on a break, then she goes back out into the bush for another month.
Anyway, listen, Bonnie, you know, I know you seek out the deepest caves in the world.
Like a mountain climber has been asked so many times, why?
Why do you do this?
Why do you go I'm curious, everybody's curious about what's in our earth, but I'm not so curious that I would go down into a cave five feet, much less 1,000 or 1,500, not a chance.
Well, for me, it's one of those things that as a child, I always wanted to go out and do things that mommy wouldn't let me do.
Don't go in that cave, Bonnie.
But on the other hand, it's more than that.
It's really that I grew up with the saying, you go out there and go where no one's gone before and to make the first steps into a world where no human has seen before or at least not seen alive after they did it,
I think that's fascinating for me and it makes me feel like I'm more alive to experience it.
I mean, when you're crawling through something horizontally that's 1,000 feet below the ground and it's like something you can barely get through, don't you ever worry about the ground shifting way down there?
And, you know, I think that it's prone to earthquakes, isn't it?
Well, a lot of the earthquakes that have happened in the geologic past over the millions of years that these caves have been there have made the caves, whatever was going to happen to the cave has already happened to them by earthquakes that are much larger probably than what we'll experience here.
Geologic movement of the earth and that sort of thing.
So they actually tend to be fairly stable at this point in geologic time.
And one of the things that we watch out for is movement of rock adjacent to where we're walking through the passage.
And rocks anywhere from the size of a basketball up to maybe the size of a car I've seen move in caves.
So you've got to watch out for that sort of thing.
But otherwise, it's pretty safe once you are careful of not bumping against any rocks that will shift.
Yes, one of the ways that we do it is over a period of time, the limestone that forms the cave walls tends to dissolve somewhat by water flowing on it.
And that can form a coating over the painting itself on the cave walls and preserve it.
But you can measure the depth of the actual rock covering, the solution of rock that has formed over the painting, and somewhat get a date for this.
There's carbon dating as well and a couple of other different forms of dating.
And there is a lot of different theories on the movement of ancient civilizations.
Now, we know for sure through carbon dating that here in Peru there is a city that was recently uncovered that is 5,000 years old, and it has pyramids.
I just visited that, and it's really amazing to see that.
One of the great things about it is that this particular city lived for at least 500 years totally in peace without having armies in battles with anybody else.
And, you know, it's really remarkable that at that point in history, there was a great civilization here in Peru, contemporary with the pyramids being built over there in Egypt.
Well, it seems like they had the same idea at the same time, and I'm not sure exactly how it was possible for them to come up with these same ideas without other than telepathy or synchronicity or something like that.
I don't particularly have any evidence either way on this.
And neither does anyone else as far as I can tell.
With 5,000 years of history here in Peru, of people living around the caves and performing ceremonies in the caves and having cave writing and art and as well as a lot of tombs in some of the caves here.
They're finding artifacts and that sort of thing from back then.
I think there was quite a bit of civilization happening at that point.
And maybe there is some link between the old world and the new world here.
Maybe the new world is not so new as they once thought it was.
One of the things in the particular area where I just was up in the Andes, you get these very deep canyons and high mountains with sharp cliffs and that sort of thing.
And on one of the slopes of one of these cliffs, right at the bottom of the slope, was a very deep pit that went straight down.
And so we went down that with a rope.
And down at the bottom, we found this big mound of bones and prehistoric animals and extinct animal bones as well as there's human bones and that sort of thing there.
But other than that, I'm thinking, well, what is this like down there in the bottom of, you know, when I reach the bottom, what am I going to find?
I'm looking into the dark and my headlamp can only go so far, and I'm sliding down this rope, and it may take me 15 or 20 minutes to get to the bottom of the rope, going pretty fast.
You know, the first picture that everybody is going to be greeted by on the website shows recently, Discovery, high-definition Discovery that I'm blessed to have has been showing a series, Bonnie, on some what are called sinkholes in, I think, Brazil, actually, but in South America.
These things are monstrous, and they look kind of like what you're standing in front of right here on this first photograph that everybody's going to see.
It says Bonnie Kristol discovering a deep cave entrance in Peru.
But it almost looks like, this part of it almost looks like the sinkholes That they've been talking about on Discovery, and they were inevitably, as I suppose perhaps were caves, were formed by water, some sort of subterranean water that caused these incredible sinkholes.
And on Discovery, they're finding that at the bottom of these sinkholes, there's an entirely different biology.
I mean, there's different plants, there's different, because they're so far down.
So I'm sure in caves, you run into the same thing, don't you?
Plants that don't exist above the surface, not to mention the possibility of life?
You get down in these caves, and it's like a time machine.
It's like walking into the past.
They seem to preserve anything that is in them that gets preserved differently from what's on the surface, because especially if you have these very large cave entrances that go down very deep, you can have plants, animals living down in there.
Well, in the actual areas where there's zero light, there's very little bit of plant activity, although we do find some bacteria that is unique, and we find some other types of kinds of plants that don't require sunlight.
But in some of these big pits, the entrances of them are so huge, you know, we're talking hundreds of feet across, like the sinkholes in Brazil.
And there's enough light that reaches down into the bottom of these things hundreds of feet down that some plants can grow.
And in fact, it's almost like a sampling of the plants that used to grow on the surface thousands of years ago.
Yeah, and in fact, some of the experiences that I've had have been parallel to, like the land that time forgot, running into different species that have been thought to be non-existent at this point, or new kinds of species of plants and animals that we haven't seen before, and have discovered several different types of them.
And one of the great things about it is that you never know what you're going to find down there.
And that's one of the things that keeps me going and keeps me wanting to go out in the wilderness and find these kind of caves is you just don't know what's going to be down there.
Well, I've found everything from snakes and fish and frogs and birds and bats to microbes and strange-looking orange plants and as well as all the different kinds of minerals that form and look like plants or animals in some sort of strange way.
A lot of people see different figurines and stuff in the various mineralization formations.
I've walked into passages where it is like being inside a geode or a vast room full of diamonds, you know, the way the crystalline features are on the walls, and it's like being inside a fabulous array of jewels or something.
I can imagine, I also know that you're in the rainforest area.
So here's something I wonder about, and I wonder if you guys in caves wonder about it.
But I mean, if you were to hear a sudden rushing sound as lots of water coming your way, when you're down in a cave crawling horizontally somewhere, you know, in the back of your mind, you've got to think, oh my God, did something let go somewhere?
I mean, is there that danger of something letting go somewhere or a giant storm happening and water finding it's filling the cave that you're in?
We go by mule pack and by walking and riding horses and over land and through the jungle and up into these mountains.
And it's slow going.
So once you get there, you want to be able to spend some time.
And I've got a wonderful group of explorers with me from California and Colorado and Oregon, a group that I've been caving with and exploring for a very long time here.
And it's just wonderful.
We depend upon each other for our lives when we're down there.
So you get to know your friends.
You get to know who your friends are real good when you do this.
We have several clips of you hanging on the end of a rope above absolutely nothing at all.
And I just can't even fathom that feeling.
I just can't fathom it.
And then not knowing what you're going to find and if you do get to the bottom, are there any so deep that you can't reach them with the equipment you brought?
Well, generally, a thousand foot of rope takes me about a little over two hours to climb.
So during that time, and especially at this altitude, it takes a lot of work.
And I've been training for this particular expedition.
I trained for six months, solid rock climbing and working at the gym and that sort of thing.
So it's the sort of thing where speleology, which is the science of caves and knowing what is in caves, is really one of those sciences that is considered kind of a dirty science and one that there's not a whole lot of people involved in because it just takes so much effort and you have to be in good shape in order to practice it.
Well, a lot of the caves seem to exchange their air with the outside once or twice a day, so there is still good air in the caves when you go down further down.
So we don't have to worry most of the time about breathing apparatus or that sort of thing.
Most of the caves are about the medium temperature of the night and daytime of the surface area where they are situated.
So let's say you have a desert cave.
It's going to be warmer in that cave.
But if you get very, very deep, it starts to get a little hotter.
And some of the deep mines for gold and that sort of thing in South Africa tend to get very, very hot because they're getting down there closer to the magma.
I've been in some caves.
One of the caves I was in in Hawaii was a steam vent cave, and it erupted sort of like Old Faithful every 40 minutes.
So we could only go about 15 minutes into the cave between burps of steam in order to explore the cave.
And we had to get back out before the next burst of steam.
Yeah, we would keep going and we would set up and camp inside it and stay in there until we kept finding more and more passage and just continue on like that and probably get more cave explorers involved in it.
There are s uh some caves right now that we have not found the ends of.
And you know, under the New Mexico desert we have a cave now where we have never found the end of it.
Some wingnuts who are angry with me because I refuse to believe that President Bush blew up the buildings in New York and crashed into the Pentagon and did all of that because I won't join them in that belief.
They have made this video called Art Bell Burn in Hell or Burn in Hell video.
The Art Bell Burn in Hell video.
And I liked it.
I somehow liked it.
It's a badge of my refusal to cave in to such Looney Tunes ideas.
And it's funny.
And somebody took a lot of time out of their life to do it.
So, unflattering, though it may be, I thought you would enjoy it.
Burn in hell, huh?
All right, back to Earth.
In a moment, Dr. Ronald Klatz.
Now, you may have recently seen, you know, we lost our president Reagan to Alzheimer's.
Probably a horrible way to die, you know, just to have your brain go.
And there is research right now called stem cell research, and his son, Ron Reagan, made an impassioned plea at the Democrats Convention for stem cell research.
And I guess a lot of people really don't know what stem cell research really is or don't properly understand it.
In fact, I suppose I'm in that class, too.
So, you know, there's a giant controversy about this.
If we could perhaps figure it out, we could perhaps save the lives of people like President Reagan and a lot of other people.
That would all come potentially and maybe, maybe, from stem cell research.
I think that Dr. Klatz imagines it definitely will.
Some are not so sure as some think that it's the taking of life, it's murder.
That's what we're going to talk about.
I want to understand it myself.
Dr. Ronald Klatz is recognized as a leading authority in the new clinical science of anti-aging medicine.
For over a decade, he's been integral in pioneering exploration of new therapies for the treatment and prevention of age-related degenerative diseases.
He is the physician, founder, and president of the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine Inc.
Dr. Klatz is highly regarded by scientific and academic colleagues for his continuing medical education lectures on the demographics of aging, the impact of biomedical technologies on longevity.
He's a consultant in the biotechnology industry, a respected advisor to several members of the U.S. Congress and others on Capitol Hill.
He's a heavyweight, no question.
Dr. Klatz devotes much of his time to research and to the development of advanced biosciences for the benefit of humanity.
Were it not for the craziness in the world with focus on war and politics and those sort of things, and if there was a little bit more money to go around, or at least a better atmosphere for biotechnology, many of these things would already be on the market right now.
They're still in the laboratory, but nanotechnology is coming on StrongNanotechnology, which was science fiction 15 years ago, 10 years ago.
Is already yielding commercial products right now in materials and microelectronics.
But very shortly, there will be incredible breakthroughs with regard to laboratory on chip technology.
As a matter of fact, it's already happening.
You can already buy it for the laboratory right now for biological research.
But soon, a doctor will be able to take a drop of your blood, literally take a drop of your blood, put it on something the size of a postage stamp, put it in a little electronic oven, and five minutes later, 10 minutes later, 30 minutes later, it'll print out a report the size of a phone book,
if you like, on all your specific genetic sequences, tell you what diseases you have, what diseases you may have sometime in the future, what diseases you could have sometime in the future, and what diseases you'll never have.
And those are people who Should be taking all the precautions in the world with regard to cholesterol-lowering agents and exercise and diet and everything else.
There are other people who, no matter what they do, they're never going to end up with a heart attack.
And those people, they don't have to waste their money, their time, their energies.
So if your doctor could know, instead of just tossing a coin and hoping that it ends the right way, it ends up on the right side, if the doctor could know that you're going to be at a 70, 80, 90 percent risk of a heart attack in the next 10 years, well, he can focus on you and the other five patients who may look just like you, same color eyes, same weight, the same cholesterol, same blood pressure, but they're never going to have heart disease.
He doesn't have to waste his time, his energy, and your dollars worrying about their heart conditions.
He can worry about other things.
So early detection is an incredible opportunity.
You asked about what's new.
I just had a PET scan, a positron emission tomography scan.
Yes.
For the listeners who don't know what that is, that's a latest nuclear medicine.
They took a little bit of a radioactive isotope, injected into my arm, and I laid down on a table, and it took about 20 minutes.
I went through this scanner, something like a big donut hole, runs your body through like an MRI or a CT scanner.
And it made a three-dimensional image of my whole body from this nuclear material, this radioactive isotope that was in my veins.
And the nice thing about PET scan technology is it can detect to 97% accuracy right now whether you have a tumor growing in you.
You see, now I beat heart disease a few years ago.
If we conducted a Manhattan-style project, which is I think what Ron Reagan suggested, into stem cell research or other areas of anti-aging medicine, Dr. Klatz, and you had all the money you could legitimately use in the effort, what could be done?
Well, realize that the entire governmental budget for anti-aging medicine, the entire governmental research budget for anti-aging medicine is only a few tens of millions of dollars a year.
Stem cells is happening on its own, and the government has budgeted $200 million for stem cell research, and most of it is not being used for stem cells right now because of the political turmoil around stem cells.
I think that we could have incredible breakthroughs within five years.
I mean, really palpable improvements in quality of life and probably quantity of life with a budget directed towards anti-aging therapies of $5 billion or less per year.
And I think it could be as little as $500 million per year over the course of the next five years.
So right now, okay, state of the art with anti-aging medicine right now.
I can take, or any member, any doctor who's practicing anti-aging medicine who's reasonably competent, a member of the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine, can take the average 65-year-old and in the space of about six months or less,
with modest interventions, which are some drug therapies, a fair amount of nutritional therapies, a little bit of hormonal therapies, and some exercise, can reduce that person's appearance on paper and biomarkers of aging by five to ten years.
That means if you test them, you know, like you test an Olympic athlete, you know, everyone understands you too.
You have an Olympic athlete, you test them with regard to their reaction time, their speed, their strength, their endurance, or blah, blah, blah.
Well, you can do the same thing with aging.
And these are called biomarkers of aging.
And we can test people and say, well, from an aging point of view, you test out and you're 65 years old.
But reversal of five years in an average individual is not unreasonable.
As a matter of fact, it's quite common.
Do you imagine the possibility of that's the average individual and some unique individuals, some people who work a little bit harder at it or have some problems to begin with, we can see age regression by as much as 20 years?
Do you imagine the possibility, doctor, someday, of the magic bullet, of finding some magic genetic switch that could be thrown that would actually stop aging?
For example, I mean, if we're really, really, really lucky, we might be able to find some combination of nanotechnology and stem cells and DNA repair technology that would actually reset the cells of our body,
that would eliminate disease cells and aberrant DNA as it's occurring and keep our cells at a constant state of perpetual youth.
Now that's far-forward technology, but far-forward technology today ain't 500 years.
It ain't even 50 years.
It's maybe 30, 35 years.
Because look how far we've come in the last 35 years.
We're eliminating infectious diseases by and large, with the exception of some nasty things like AIDS and Ebola, maybe West Nile, is pretty well taken for granted, at least in the first world.
Maybe not in the third world.
We're making great strides against heart disease and stroke.
That's not the killer it used to be.
There are many very excellent therapies against that.
I mean, hypertension used to be a major killer.
Now that's really not an issue.
Very easy to treat hypertension because there's so many good therapies for that.
So we're wiping out these diseases, these chronic degenerative diseases, one after the other after the other.
And I think that that's going to be the process.
And eventually, and maybe not in the too distant future, we're going to have some of these great biotech breakthroughs such as stem cells, which are going to be taking major leaps, baby steps.
We're about to talk, I'm sure, about stem cells coming right up.
But on the other side of the coin, doctor, there are also emerging and new diseases and things that would not be your ally as a doctor trying to prolong and preserve the quality of life.
New diseases that seem to pop up, and a lot of them come out of China.
It depends on what your particular religious philosophical belief system is.
For people who are anti-abortion, people who are strongly Judeo-Christian, they may believe that life begins sometime as soon as the sperm and the egg meet, and life begins at that very moment of fertilization.
There are other religions that believe that life doesn't begin until sometime later in the process of the gestational period.
Many Muslims believe that life doesn't begin until about 40 days of gestation.
There are other people who don't believe that life doesn't begin until birth, until you deliver a viable human being outside the body.
There are other people who believe that life doesn't begin until about the end of the second trimester, beginning of the third trimester, when the fetus could be viable on its own if it was to be birthed.
So there's a large spectrum of belief systems as to when human life actually does begin.
I believe that there's I guess I believe that it's a personal choice.
For myself, I kind of tend to follow the American public.
I think after the second trimester, you have a hard time arguing that human life is not in existence.
Once the fetus is well-formed, is human-like, and is able to exist on its own outside the body, then I think you have a very hard argument against this being a viable human life.
Before that, it may be life, but is it a viable human life?
That's a question that's up in the air, and I respect everybody's opinion.
And these embryonic stem cells can become nerve, lung, heart, muscle, kidneys, red blood cells, pigmented cells, pancreatic cells, thyroid cells, anything you want.
There's over 200 different types of cells in the body.
There are literally thousands and thousands of chemical messengers that are present in the growth process.
And it's a question of what is next to the cell, what chemical is by the cell, what nutrients are by the cell.
There's any vast number of stimulants that tell the cell to become or that stimulate one cell to become bone, one cell to become muscle, one cell to become blood.
I don't think that we, well, I know that we don't understand all the mechanisms because we're still trying to puzzle it out so that we can make stem cells work.
But your question was, what are stem cells?
Well, they're basically fertilized egg and ovum that had been allowed to grow into a blastocyte, which is the very earliest cellular material that goes on to form the fetus.
Our imagination is that we experiment, or the idea is we experiment with stem cells and try and figure out how to order them to do what you want them to do, doctor.
Now you understand why Ronald Reagan's son is talking about this technology for Alzheimer's, because even though it hasn't been done yet for Alzheimer's, it has been done for stroke.
And again, the stem cells find their way to the damaged area of the brain.
They actually regrow new brain tissue.
They reconnect the nerves.
And they seem to have the power to repair, perhaps not completely, but certainly to a great extent the damage from the stroke as well.
Oh, this is some of the most earth-shaking technology, mind-blowing technology that you can imagine.
And it's happening right now.
And it's just being suppressed.
It's being suppressed actively and violently by an establishment that there's a religious establishment that's afraid of this because it impacts on the meaning of life issues and potentially the anti-abortion issues, those issues.
But I also believe that there is an undercurrent of suppression going on from the medical establishment that doesn't know how to deal with this because this will shake up all of health care violently in a very rapid period of time.
But the endoderm is the internal layer of our bodies.
Our bodies are tubes within tubes.
When you think about it, your lungs are a set of tubes.
Your gastrointestinal tract is a set of tubes.
Your stomach is a tube.
We're built like tubes inside of tubes inside of tubes.
Well, the endoderm cells become the pancreas, the liver, the thyroid, the lungs, the bladder.
The mesoderm, which is the middle layer, becomes bone marrow, skeletal tissue, heart, and blood cells.
And the ectoderm becomes the skin, the neurons, the pituitary gland, the eyes, the ears.
Now, when you grow these stem cells, when you take the egg and the ovum and you grow it up to five days to a blastocyte, well, there are, you know, some of these embryonic cells will differentiate into these three, you know, if you let the cells grow beyond five days to say 14 days to two weeks, you'll end up with these three different germ layers.
And you can start getting more specific on what you want those stem cells to become.
See, there are stem cells that will become muscle.
There are stem cells that will become bone.
There are stem cells that will become brain tissue, stem cells that will become heart tissue, or stem cells that become blood tissue.
So then, if you were going after something that would cure or alleviate Alzheimer's, you would be going after stem cells that are going to become brain cells?
My assumption - I thought I was going to get a great big no, there's no way to do it, because the assumption is the political maelstrom against it is because you've destroyed life.
Well, that's the story that is put out into the press.
But, you know, anyone who bothers to read an article, a single scientific article about it, understands that stem cells, they're not just embryonic stem cells, they're adult stem cells.
You can take stem cells from adults, take it right out of their blood.
You can take stem cells.
The richest source of stem cells is the bone marrow.
In other words, you're telling me these stem cells could be removed and the fetus would have every chance of growing or as good a chance of growing into a normal well.
Well, we can do everything that I've talked about in a laboratory in glassware without ever touching a woman, without ever touching a human being, without ever touching, you know, anything else.
All you have to do is take an in vitro, and it's done every day of the week, by the way, in in vitro fertilization labs.
I mean, all these people who want to have babies, who want to have artificial insemination or want to have some sort of, you know, chemically enhanced fertilization, they're growing fetuses all day long in glassware.
Well, you know, I can tell you firsthand, and I don't want to speculate too far, but I'm sure there are people with very good intentions who just aren't, you know, who feel that anything to do that fools with the mechanisms of human life is something that shouldn't be touched.
And so that's a knee-jerk kind of reaction, even though you're not killing anything.
Even though in vitro fertilization laboratories in the United States, they have, I read some report that said there was something like 400,000 fetuses that were being discarded because there was no use for them.
So there are these little tiny molding pieces of clay type cells called stem cells that if injected into you, for example, will go in and fix your heart or fix your lung or fix whatever is wrong with you.
Stem cells.
That's what they are.
That's what we're talking about.
In a moment, we're going to try and find out what's all the big ruckus.
Well, I think I clearly understand why we're having such a big struggle About stem cells.
If you can really do what Dr. Klatz has told us they can do, cure a heart, cure a lung, give us brain tissue that raises Alzheimer's, and on and on it goes.
If stem cells really can do this, then I really do want to understand.
I mean, the President of the United States, and lawmakers have looked at this carefully, presumably, hopefully, I mean, somewhere somebody is violently in opposition to doing this.
And I guess I need to, if you can put yourself in their position, because surely you have to listen to them, Dr. Klatz, so you must be able to articulate their position and their argument pretty well if you try.
I will try, but the amazing thing to me is that you have essentially an incredible breakthrough technology that will change all of medicine as we know it, that every other major country in the world is racing headlong and funding as fast and as hard as it can to bring into reality.
And the British government just about a month and a half ago opened a stem cell research center using embryonic stem cells and funding it to the tune of $30 million, which for the Brits is a good chunk of change because their health care system is not nearly as well endowed as ours.
The Indians have, the nation of India has a big stem cell research project going.
The Australians have announced huge stem cell projects.
Even Harvard Medical School, excuse me, Harvard University is in the process of trying to privately fund a $100 million research center for stem cell research because that's how promising this technology is.
Realize stem cells have the potential, have already shown the ability to reverse diabetes.
I think I've got the picture on what the possibilities are, and they're staggering.
But in trying to understand what the law is right now, is it simply public money that is not by law allowed to be used for this line of research, or does that include private money as well?
I think that you had a knee-jerk reaction from the anti-abortion lobby that is intimately involved with the current power establishment in Washington.
And I think that there was a lot of kowtowing to those people who just knee-jerked and said, well, this sounds too much like abortion for us, and we don't want any part of it.
In addition to that, you have, you know, who else supports the power structure in Washington?
Well, you've got a lot of oil money, you have a lot of pharmaceutical money.
The pharmaceutical companies do not stand to win if a cure for disease is found.
They make their money on selling pills that treat chronic degenerative disease and ameliorate the symptoms.
They're not into the curing business, they're into the treating business.
And so you can understand why the powers that be with the current pharmaceutical industry is not really behind coming up with something that would eliminate the need for perhaps 50 percent of all drugs that are taken every day by the American public.
Well, I think that there are several interests that do not want to see stem cells developed, but you can't hold it back because just because interestingly enough, we went so far in the United States as to try and pass legislation through the United Nations to make stem cell research not just in the United States but around the world a crime.
Right, but the motivation behind trying to make it a crime here with public money or worldwide, I mean, just to do away with it, what do you see as the number one opposition?
Well, clearly there is, you know, if you read the literature, and that's all I have, you know, I'm not involved in this smoke-filled star chambers where these people make their plans for the world.
I only know what I read and what I hear from other researchers.
And what's in the news and what's being talked about is some of these far, far-right anti-abortion people who equate anything that has to do with human life as being a verboten subject and should be forbidden, regardless of how much potential it has to do good for humanity.
But on what leg Do they stand from a spiritual point of view?
If what you told me is correct and the embryo is not destroyed by the removal of stem cells, then where is there a blastocyte, the fetal tissue is destroyed, but it's made in a laboratory.
Well, if you were to go and find a woman somewhere and alien abductees and spirit her off somehow and take these cells out of the test tube and inject them into her, which would be completely unethical as well, then perhaps these cells would have a chance of developing into a human life, but they have zero chance in a laboratory.
This is just what's being done in the same thing as being done in fertilization research every day.
It is, but it's never going to become a human being.
It never was a human being, nor does it have any potential to become a human being without incredible, extraordinary measures that would not occur in the United States or any place else as far as I can tell because it would be completely unethical to do this.
Now, to do what you're suggesting is called human cloning, which is a different animal altogether.
I'm sorry, you're not suggesting it, but if you wanted to take that biological material, the egg and the sperm, make a blastocyte, throw it in a test tube, and then want it to become a human being, you would have to implant it into a woman.
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If I were ailing, if I had a heart condition, would I be able to go somewhere in the country right now, doctor, and find a physician or a scientist who would inject me with stem cells to help my heart?
There are multiple, you see, again, this is very new technology.
We don't know what's going to work best.
There are techniques where they take cells from human placentas, placental cells, which are full of stem cells, And they put that in an IV and they just drip that into your vein.
And magically, these stem cells for the heart muscle find their way to the heart.
There are other techniques where they catheterize the heart and they inject stem cells literally around the damaged part of the heart tissue.
In humans, I believe the number is about 10% of the tissue was regenerated.
But that was enough to change the person's experience from having angina or chest pain almost all the time, difficulty breathing almost all the time, unable to even raise her arms over her head, to being able to walk without assistance for over a block and to perform all activities of daily living without hardly any pain at all.
Also, it's easier and you oftentimes get better results with animals than you will with people because you can be more aggressive with the animals, and animals tend to have a more robust healing because they tend to be young and fresh and healthier.
You see, in animal models, you have to create a heart attack externally.
Animals don't generally get heart disease.
So you have to do something manage the heart.
So you're dealing with a relatively young, healthy animal to begin with.
There are some critics of stem cell research who say, look, put it on hold because what stem cells promise, now technology quite quickly may deliver around it.
There are a body of people, right, who say that nanotechnology will come along and just take over in this area to the point where stem cell research is not needed.
Well, it may be true, but it's like saying that solar energy will one day obviate the need for oil.
Well, maybe it will.
But until that comes along, we still have to keep drilling.
And that's, I think, the closest analogy I can come up with.
I mean, nanotechnology may be able to do the amazing things that stem cells do now, but they can't do it now, and they won't be able to do it for at least 10 or 15 years, whereas stem cells can do it now, and certainly within five years.
It's a much far forward technology, and it's really much closer to natural than nanotechnology.
Singapore has a committed government-sponsored stem cell research program through the University of Singapore.
The American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine is a research partner with them, as a matter of fact, and we do seminars there every year on biotechnology.
And they're doing fantastic work over there.
They also have ongoing clinical programs for repair of blindness.
Ben in Anchorage, Alaska asks the following, would you please ask Dr. Klatz if we currently actually have the technology to have saved Ronald Reagan's life?
I understand that he died in the very end of complications of pneumonia, which I guess came from or grew from his state in Alzheimer's.
I think the technology is here to, well, let's put it this way.
In the laboratory, we certainly do.
Have we been able to reverse Alzheimer's disease in humans?
No.
We've been able to slow it down.
There is some evidence to suggest that a vaccine that we do have, that has been tried, actually reversed some aspects of Alzheimer's disease.
It was tested in a number of individuals, I think about 50, and they stopped the study very early on because the vaccine led to inflammation within the brain, and some people had some adverse side effects.
They stopped the study right away.
But when they went back and they looked at the results of the people who had received the vaccine, many of those people who had received the vaccine had slowed down and perhaps even reversed some of their beta-amyloid protein that forms within the brain that leads to the brain damage that we call Alzheimer's disease.
So we have a vaccine that works nicely in animals, doesn't work well enough in people yet to have a major impact on and being close to a shot of reversing or at least stalling Alzheimer's disease.
We have drugs that can slow down the process of Alzheimer's disease, but we don't have a cure for it just yet.
Now, nobody, to my knowledge, has used stem cells to reverse Alzheimer's disease yet, certainly not in people.
Alzheimer's disease is a syndrome that leads to mental decline and to loss, ultimately to loss of physiologic function because of brain damage.
It occurs because some people, for whatever reason, whether it be a virus or it be a metabolic anomaly or some toxin that we don't fully understand, causes the deposition of an aberrant protein within the brain.
This protein is called a beta-amyloid.
And this aberrin protein, when it forms within the brain, creates inflammation.
And the inflammation creates damage.
The inflammation stimulates the production of white blood cells, macrophages, which go in and try and eat up the protein.
But in the process, they eat healthy living brain tissue.
And you end up losing, your brain shrinks from the inside out.
And so some people are suggesting, some doctors are suggesting the use of anti-inflammatories such as aspirin or Motrin because in people who take these drugs for other purposes have a much lower incidence of Alzheimer's disease.
We're finding that many diseases are mediated, not necessarily caused by, but their progression is mediated by inflammation.
It may be that you develop a virus or you develop an infection of some sort, and that leads to inflammation, but it's the inflammation that causes the actual damage to the tissue.
So even if you had the virus, okay, you can live with that, but it's the inflammation that causes the damage to the tissue that leads to the disease.
For example, we're finding that cancers, certain cancers, absolutely get started with a viral infection.
And that the virus leads to an inflammatory state, and the inflammatory state leads to irritation, which leads to the growth of a cancer cell.
But certainly, there's also, if inflammation is part of the equation, if we block the inflammation, we can block the progression of the disease.
You may still have, for example, with Alzheimer's, you may still have that protein, that aberrant protein in your brain, but if it doesn't allow inflammation, if we somehow block the inflammation from occurring in response to that protein, you may be able to go on just fine with that aberrant protein being there.
And this kind of technology can lead to not just a better quality of life, but a longer lifespan as well.
And that's what's so exciting because we're on the cusp of these amazing breakthroughs because the entire biotech revolution is ready to give birth to dozens, if not hundreds, of innovations, almost all of which will have an anti-aging spin to it.
And any one of which, any one great breakthrough could lead to five-year, 10-year, 20-year increase in maximum lifespan.
Okay, doctor, this big battle that we're having in America right now and other parts of the world, I guess, to a lesser degree.
You said, for example, that adult stem cells, they don't have any problem with that, and other aspects of some lines.
But what we're fighting over, is it the most important, where the fight centers, is it the most important place for you as a researcher or for a researcher?
Well, the problem is that the chilling effect of a moratorium, of a federal moratorium, on funding for stem cell research extends not just into embryonic stem cells, but it stems through the entire stem cell research protocols.
And so researchers who would normally be moving in to exploit these technologies are standing on the sidelines.
Universities that would be jumping in are keeping away.
Venture capital money is not flooding into this field as it would be otherwise.
And so this controversy, if you will, is putting a damper on stem cell research in total.
If they were only to specifically eliminate certain embryonic cell lines, then who cares?
We could work our way around it.
We could live without that perhaps.
But this is a wet towel that's being thrown over the entire issue of stem cell technology.
And what you're doing is you're inhibiting technology which almost certainly will lead to major breakthroughs in a very short period of time and save lives and improve the quality of lives for hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people.
And so you have to ask yourself, what would move our entire higher senior level of government to thwart this technology specifically and go so far as to try and create a moratorium at the United Nations?
But I don't want to say things I don't have first-hand information about either, Art.
I mean, I'd love to tell you what the answer is.
I'm in a quandary just like everyone else, but it certainly doesn't make sense because there are no dead bodies.
There are no dead babies.
This is a win-win-win-win scenario for everyone except those people who are entrenched in a disease-based medical model and know what they will do to hold on to power.
Well, but one would think that the pharmaceutical companies would get right into the middle of it and would be selling bags and bags of stem cells or something.
Well, when you have a drug, a pill that you can make for a lot of money and sell for $5 a pill, and you're selling billions of them a year, it's kind of hard to give that up or to look five years into the future and see that there's going to be not another pill that you can sell,
but a cure, and it won't just be yours either because you've got to lock on this particular pill, but stem cells are not as easy to lock in.
I think that there are decisions that are made at the very highest levels of government and industry that are not made for humanitarian reasons.
They're made simply on the basis of the bottom line.
Money.
and are simply made on the basis of maintaining the status quo of power and authority.
and I...
All right.
Art, let's put it this way.
Oh, my God.
No, no, you can't take me there, Art.
That's not fair.
I'm not going to get on this oak box and start railing against the gerontologists who are dying of old age just like the rest of us for trying to thwart the progress in anti-aging research.
I'd love to take you to our 12th International Congress in Chicago because there are going to be thousands of doctors there from all over the world who know all about stem cells and nanotechnology and regenerative medicine and latest cosmetic surgical procedures and biodentical hormones and DNA and mitochondrial repair.
I mean, all the latest technology.
You come for free.
Any of your listeners, I'm going to let them in for $19, at least into the exhibit hall.
And there's going to be hundreds of exhibitors and thousands of doctors.
We're going to have two presentations, all by scientists from major universities around the world.
And we're going to have 200 companies that are going to be showing their latest technologies, everything from lasers to laboratory equipment to new pills and potions and lotions for eliminating wrinkles and making you look young and sexy and feeling young and sexy.
I mean, the whole nine yards.
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And we're doing this really at cost because we're trying to build a constituency of people who are going to demand technologies such as stem cell technologies and other anti-aging technologies to save your life, my life, and the lives of everyone we hold near and dear.
And biologically, I'm testing out about 41 right now.
And that's okay, not good enough, but I'm working on it.
And the technologies of stem cells, nanotechnology, DNA repair could quite probably add an extra 20 years of lifespan to everyone who is under the age of 65 who's listening to your show right now when they come to be.
And these technologies are only a few years away from being widely available.
Even the technologies that exist right now in anti-aging with hormone replacement therapy, antioxidant therapies, rehabilitative regenerative medicine technologies.
Couldn't there even be a little bit of, look, we can't stand that many more people in the world behind some of this.
After all, the world is in some ways strained with the billions that we presently have upon it.
Anything that would extend that life would have to, by nature, bring a lot of things with it, like, I don't know, Chinese-type laws about how many children you can have or can't have.
But the good news is that in the first world, at least, the reproductive level, the birth rate has dropped precipitously as the quality of life increases.
And because of that, actual reproduction, if you exclude immigration, is negative.
We have a negative population growth in Italy, Germany, England, and the United States.
Lewis Young in Lake Charles, Louisiana, fascinated by tonight's topic, writes, Hey, Art, if life extension becomes possible, as is posited by your guest and others, wouldn't the state have to pay to keep people serving, say, 900 years in prison alive, like they do for AIDS treatments for others right now?
No, I'm suggesting that there's something wrong with our system where we have something like 7 million Americans who are either in prison or on parole right now.
If I could just say one thing, and it's not about the Congress, the anti-aging Congress in Chicago, August 20th through the 23rd.
Sure.
Okay, I'm not going to talk about that until you let me.
But I need to say one thing, and that is that earlier we were talking about the pharmaceutical industry, and I'm not trying to give these guys a black eye because I think overall the pharmaceutical industries do a lot of good things, but I think there, again, is something wrong with the system.
Well, when I say, I'm talking about the health industries in America, we have a system of economies that are driven by finance and not by humanitarianism.
And so that's why, that's really the reason I believe that you don't see these pharmaceutical companies funding stem cells and why they may be in favor of stem cells not seeing the light of day.
It's not that they're so necessarily bad guys sitting there plotting evil as they are bean counters sitting there counting the next quarter's profits.
And so if all these people earn a living from maintaining a disease-based model of health care, well, woe be it for someone such as myself who's preaching about a preventive medicine model of health care.
Well, no, they do things like they fund people of spurious credentials who say that anti-aging is fraud and that anti-aging medicine has no basis in science and that the doctors who are behind it don't know what they're talking about and that there's no such thing as anti-aging and nothing can be done to slow the aging process.
And I think the confusion comes in is that when you were relaying everything, is that all of the good results that have come so far have come from adult stem cells.
Because the closer you get to gestation, the more powerful and the more pluripotent the cell is.
The more likely it is to be immortal, the more the cell is able to differentiate into multiple cell lines, and the less antigenic it is or its ability to be recognized by the immune system.
You see, it's one issue to put in stem cells.
It's another thing to have it be accepted by the body as self.
Or another thing that is interesting is called somatic cell nuclear transfer, in which case you could potentially take your own cells, a skin cell or blood cell, and take a manufactured ovum,
an egg cell that was grown specifically for the purpose without its own DNA in it, an empty egg cell, and inject your own DNA and grow that up in a test tube, and now you'd be growing up cells for transplantation that were your own cells.
There was a recent paper published, I believe, in Science just a few weeks ago with regard to animals that develop ALS-type symptoms.
And they were able to slow down the progression, not cure it, but slow down the progression of ALS quite dramatically simply by giving mice that are engineered to produce ALS-type disease by a factor of three weeks, which in humans would be slowing down ALS if it translated to humans, by three years.
That the stem cells actually went to the damaged tissue in the nervous system and actually regrew nervous tissue in these ALS model mice.
And they've taken these animals and injected stem cells into the knee joints and been able to grow new cartilage, new chondrular cartilage in the knee joint and essentially repair the knee with stem cells.
Well, I'm not familiar with anything that would do that right now.
You know, you're born with an anomaly.
To go back far enough in your development to repair the heart, it would have to, I mean, stem cells are not going to, at this stage, are not going to go in and reconfigure your heart muscle.
Well, it's very interesting you mentioned that because I'm in Fort Lauderdale right now, and I was at the Fourth International Conference on Hyperbaric Medicine and Neurological Disease.
And several of the speakers were here talking about very early research on children who have neurological damage, cerebral palsy, brainstem stroke, things like that, who are receiving hyperbaric oxygen therapy for repair of their brain tissue, and also, in conjunction with a hyperbaric, receiving stem cell therapy, very early stem cell therapy from the bottom.
Now, so that everybody understands, hyperbaric, you get put inside a chamber, literally, I believe, and then they change the pressure and they bring in larger amounts of oxygen.
Yes, they bring the pressure up to an atmosphere and a half to two atmospheres, sometimes a little bit more pressure than that, and they pump in oxygen.
And because of the increased pressure, they're able to drive many times more of the amount of oxygen that's normally in the tissue, you know, in the blood, into the tissue to create a hypersaturated event within the cells of the body to improve metabolism.
And that sometimes Will repair or will stimulate the repair of nerve tissue that is not dead but has been shocked or is in a resting phase.
And so people who have strokes seem to be doing very well with hyperbaric therapy.
And oftentimes, children or young people who have suffered near-drowning episodes, who appear to be comatose or have severe neurological problems, will improve with hyperbaric therapy.
Well, to layer on top of hyperbaric therapy, they're now doing early stem cell therapy.
And some of the, and these are very early results and anecdotal reports, you know, just reports from the patient themselves.
But some of the reports are quite astounding as to the level of improvement.
Now, none of them are miraculous that were presented here.
And there were five cases presented, but the improvement was quite noticeable, and in some cases, dramatic, but not full cures.
My father had cancer, and I remember he was taking that treatment, and I think it was a healing modality kind of thing where it would cause scars to heal faster, that sort of thing.
Well, I guess it depends on why you're having mental illness.
You know, some people have mental illness because they've had a very tough childhood or poor parenting or too much stresses in their life or, you know, or psychological environmental issues.
But other people have mental illness because they have chemical imbalances in their brain, which is due to poor rate, which is poor neuroregulation, chemical regulation of stem.
Yes, stem cells could quite probably help that very much because they find their way to damaged tissue and help to regenerate those tissues.
So if the mental illness is due to a damage of the tissue, not a genetic error in the tissue, but a damage to the tissue.
You know, many times people develop mental illness after head injuries.
If it's going to be effective, these stem cells, if they're going to be effective in Alzheimer's, then certainly one would imagine other diseases of the brain would be effective as well.
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When these advances, when we make some giant leap, doctor, whether it's in the extension of age or the eradication of a disease of some sort or another.
I mean, somebody's going to discover this, and then the way it goes is somebody else is going to, I guess, put whatever it is into some kind of production.
I mean, if there's a way to fix a heart, if there's a way to give eyesight where there was none, there's no way this is going to be cheap, Doctor.
I mean, somebody's going to get in the way of it somewhere, and there's going to be money made because that's how the world works.
But my hope is, and what's giving me the greatest amount of satisfaction is that so much of what we're doing in anti-aging medicine has become internationalized so quickly.
It all started here in the United States, but I'll tell you, the people in Asia are grabbing this with both fists.
And they're doing as much to advance these technologies as we are here in the West.
And so the more global these technologies become and the more places they're developed, the less likely there is that any one person is going to have an absolute monopoly.
It's kind of like the Internet.
You know, the Internet is a very dangerous thing for the powers that be because it globalizes and it democratizes information.
My lower disc has shrunk down from working and meditating in a chair between L4 and L5, and I suffer sometimes from sciatica that can feel like broken glass moving around in my leg.
Stem cells would be an excellent application for that because stem cells are already growing cartilage in knees experimentally.
And actually in humans, they've used some early stem cell research in athletes to try and repair knee damage, which has met with some degree of success.
So, stem cell has the potential for that technology.
However, I should tell you, there are some newer methods of bone expanders and non-surgical, relatively non-invasive technologies where a surgeon can put an injection into the spine and inject some silly putty consistency material.
And you have to wonder if you have something like this, what are the odds of getting the latest?
Well, gee, you have to connect with just the right sort of doctor who's almost a scientist staying around on the cutting edge of things or being in the right place.
HIV is very promising because HIV is mediated, they believe, at least the official line is that HIV is caused by a virus that specifically attacks the CD4 cells, which are immune cells.
And by lowering the CD4 cells to a certain level, they turn off your immune or they slow your immunity quite dramatically.
And so if you could reconstitute the immune system and rebuild those CD4 cells, you could essentially have all the HIV you want and still never have AIDS.
And there are clearly there are thousands of people who do that who are walking around with the HIV virus who don't manifest AIDS.
In my studies, in a very interesting, important, I think, mouse study that was reported about six months ago.
I can't tell you the journal off the top of my head, but they took, again, embryonic stem cells from humans and they severed the mouse's spinal cord.
And they put these stem cells, these embryonic stem cells, from neural tissue into the mouse's spine, and it regenerated the spine, such that the mouse was able to move its hind legs and was able to maneuver.
Not walk perfectly.
It did not create a perfect repair, but it certainly did bridge the damaged nerve cells, and it did create some degree of movement and certainly feeling in the mouse.
Doctor, in the research, what do you think will prove to be the jump from stem cells, and I've heard this again and again tonight, doing a good job, but only perhaps a third of the way or a half of the way.
And what do you think might eventually account for the jump to stem cells?
We got the full activation here, 100%, here we go.
So it has to have the signals to kind of wave the flag to signal the stem cells to come to repair it.
Now, once the stem cells are in place, the stem cells need other cofactors.
For example, one cofactor that they've recently reported in literature is IGF-1, which is what the body makes when you give it growth hormone that turns on certain cellular repair mechanisms and allows growth factor to work much more effectively.
So there are these cell repair factors, cell signaling factors, and other cofactors that work in conjunction with the stem cells themselves.
We're just now beginning to discover what they are.
And also, there are hundreds of different cell lines.
And so we may find that one cell line of stem cells works better for repairing nerve tissue than another cell line.
And we're only working as scientists, the entire medical community is only working with about 50 different stem cell lines right now when there are literally hundreds and probably, if you figure in, you know, variations in immunity, thousands.
So one very productive model might be inoculation, right?
In other words, if you determine it's a virus and there is a way to inoculate, then you might stop, I don't know, some high, great, high percentage of any kind of heart disease or heart attacks, that kind of thing?
Well, when we find, for example, if we were to find that heart disease was associated in large part with chlamydia infections, there's some chlamydia, which is a sexually transmitted disease, very common in the environment.
There's been reports that something like 60% of people with atherosclerotic plaques, when they take out the atherosclerotic plaques, they find chlamydia or other microorganisms within the plaque.
So it may be that these microorganisms find their way into the heart tissue and colonize there and again create this inflammatory cascade, this inflammatory process that leads ultimately to heart disease.
So inoculation against these particular bacteria may prevent heart disease altogether.
Now there's something else that's exciting and that's genetic engineering, which we didn't talk about, but we already have a specific genetic material that we can inject into hearts, and this is already being done in people that will actually grow new heart vessels.
Because all you need is one new drug or one great new discovery and you could one therapy that allows for DNA repair and you've changed the entire mechanism of human aging.
You've changed the risk factors for cancer, for many degenerative diseases of aging.