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July 11, 2004 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Evelyn Paglini - Sex and the Occult

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another note, and this one really bears your paying attention.
		It's just a simple little email from a gal named August up in Canada.
		Hi there, Art.
		Just a note from Alberta.
		On Friday, Grand Prairie, a northern city, was struck by a tornado.
		And today, Sunday, another town, Andrew, had a touchdown.
		To say the least, we're not used to such happenings up here and wondering what's up.
		The Yukon is experiencing very warm temperatures, too, but tornadoes?
		They are known to happen, but it's very rare.
		And now we've had two in one weekend.
		Climate change is a reality that is here now, August.
		Well, August, you're correct.
		The minute you start seeing the weather that was associated mainly with the Middle U.S. West begin to move north into your territory, then you know the climate is shifting.
		Well, you know, I've got a five-minute breakdown from the Associated Press here, but nowhere is what I'm about to talk about mentioned.
		It was on CNN.
		A USA Radio Network News that I caught here at the top of the air also had it.
		And this is, I think this is chilling, really chilling.
		American counterterrorism officials, citing what they call alarming intelligence about a possible al-Qaeda strike inside the U.S. this fall, are reviewing a proposal that could allow for a postponement of the November presidential election in the event of such an attack.
		That's from Newsweek.
		The prospect that Al-Qaeda might seek to disrupt the U.S. election was a major factor behind last week's terror warning by Homeland Security Tom Ridge, the secretary.
		Ridge and other counterterrorism officials can see they have no intel about any specific plots.
		But the success of March's Madrid railway bombings in influencing the Spanish elections, as well as intercepted chatter, they do that, they intercept chatter among al-Qaeda operatives, has led analysts to conclude they want to interfere with the elections.
		As a result, sources tell Newsweek that Ridge's department last week asked the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel to analyze what legal steps would be needed to permit the postponement of the election were an attack to take place.
		Justice was specifically asked to review a recent letter to Ridge from DeForest B. Soares, Jr., chairman of the newly created U.S. Election Assistance Commission.
		So he's noted that while a primary election in New York on September 11, 2001 was quickly suspended by that state's Board of Elections after the attacks that morning, the federal government has no agency that has the necessary statutory authority to cancel and reschedule a federal election.
		Story is a Bush appointee, who two years ago was an unsuccessful GOP candidate for Congress, wants Ridge to seek emergency legislation from Congress, empowering his agency to make a call just like that.
		Homeland officials say that as drastic as such proposals sound, they are taking them seriously, along with other possible contingency plans in the event of an election eve or election day attack.
		We are reviewing the issue to determine what steps need to be taken to secure the election.
		Now, there you have the story.
		I think that's really chilling.
		I mean, you always, you know, you hear people on prediction shows say, you know, it's going to be the last election, or Bush is going to be the last president.
		Of course, they've said that about most of them.
		But you don't normally have those sorts of predictions associated now with a story of this magnet.
		My God.
		Something so severe, we would call off a presidential election in the U.S. I mean, just even contemplating that is incredible to me.
		And a lot of people could say, see, I told you.
		Well, it is.
		It is chilling.
		I mean, to hear them talking, it's a mainstream news item, even though the Associated Press is not writing about it at the moment.
		It's something to put a little chill down the back of your spine to consider that elections for the President of the U.S. could be suspended.
		Suspended for how long?
		With what result?
		That's pretty weird stuff, you've got to admit, it's pretty weird stuff.
		in a moment of the rest of the other weird stuff Boy, just continuing, even thinking about canceling the elections or rescheduling them or whatever.
		Wouldn't it be weird to hear an announcement like that in the U.S.?
		I mean, that's something you hear down in Portugal, down in Portugal, in Portugal, perhaps, or perhaps some Central and South American countries, but you don't hear about that in the U.S. until now.
		Insurgents ambushed two U.S. military patrols north of Baghdad Sunday, resulting in three U.S. soldiers dead, an Iraqi civilian dead.
		It goes on.
		John Kerry's choice of John Edwards as his running mate was received favorably by the public, polls suggest, but it's made very little difference thus far in the race with the president.
		Well, that's the way it goes.
		I mean, people are either pleased or displeased with a vice presidential choice, but they generally don't really change anybody's idea about who they want to be president.
		Working in secret, the September 11 Commission is finishing a final report that several members believe will be done by week's end and have unanimous support.
		They'll all put their stamp on it.
		The report's factual findings, which are virtually complete, will in some respects echo last week's Senate Intelligence Committee report by harshly criticizing the FBI and CIA for poor intelligence gathering that many members believe could have otherwise prevented the attacks.
		Here's something interesting.
		It takes a big brain to tell a lie.
		A big brain.
		The primates with the biggest brains compared to their body size are the very best at deceiving others.
		Since humans have the biggest brains of all, we are the best liars.
		Hazel Muir writes in The New Scientist that primates have the largest brains of all animal species compared to their body size.
		This comes from evolving complex social skills, and lying is one of the most important.
		Psychologist Richard Byrne has seen many instances of deception among primates.
		A female gorilla will mate secretly with a male who is not her regular partner.
		A monkey may pretend not to like certain food so others won't try to steal it.
	A baboon will stare into the distance when nothing is actually there in order to distract his mother who was about to punish him.
	Byrne says, we're rather shocked that baboons could do anything quite as subtle as that.
	Byrne found that the bigger the brain, the bigger the lies.
	Bush babies, that's not a political comment, bush babies and others which have smaller brains than primates are less sneaky than larger brain primates.
	The most deceptive primates are gorillas, chimpanzees, and orangutans and us.
	But big brains aren't only about lying, Byrne says.
	I'm sure if we could have measured cooperative skill, we'd have found a similar result.
	Cooperation and outwitting are not opposed.
	They're both about being socially subtle.
	Well, here's a little BPL update for you.
	BPL is broadband over power lines, somebody's, in my opinion, idiotic scheme to distribute the Internet on every single electrical wire in the U.S. In other words, a scheme to put the Internet in your wall plug, along with your 110 volts powering up whatever in your house, would come the Internet.
	That's the scheme.
	The problem with the scheme is that some see it as the impending utter destruction of the short wave bands because those are the frequencies they're going to use and because power lines being what they are, great big long wires on high poles, they're really antennas, folks.
	So when you send, God knows, power companies do enough radiating of random problems with electrical distribution, but when they intend to actually send radio frequencies down a long electrical line, you're going to have just what you would expect, a terrible amount of interference.
	And you may recall I mentioned that to you sometime ago.
	Well, Alliant Energy has canceled a pilot test of high-speed internet technology after complaints of guess what?
	Radio interference.
	The utility was testing a service that provides broadband internet access over power lines when complaints began filtering in from ham radio operators.
	The complaints were a big factor in concluding the trial months earlier than planned.
	Scott Krzlninsky, a utility spokesperson, said, quote, a big factor, however, was that we had already gotten essentially all the information we set out to find.
	Utilities are interested in using power lines to distribute broadband because of our president's goal of making the service available throughout the U.S. But it looks like that utility decided, well, it doesn't seem to be working as we thought it might.
	I'm going to read this because it is so typical of so many that I get.
	Dear Miss Bell, I've never written a show like this before, but I felt compelled to write to you tonight because I want you to be aware of a silent but giant audience that listens to you and George faithfully every single night.
	The audience I'm referring to are the inmates in the California state prison system.
	I began listening when a buddy of mine At a state prison, told me how great you were.
	Thank you.
	And how many guys stayed up late to listen on their radios in the dorms?
	Next day, a lot of guys have something worthwhile to talk about and discuss.
	You guys give men who don't really have a lot in life something to look forward to.
	And I thought you both should know.
	You don't have to read this in the air.
	Well, I thought I would.
	But if you did it, give a lot of men a voice through me as well as a way to let them hear that you know they listen to you and that they're appreciated.
	I'm a new Streamlink member.
	Well, now, see, I didn't know you could get Streamlink in the Poke.
	I've been turning more and more listeners toward you every day.
	Keep up the good work.
	Wouldn't you need high-speed internet for that?
	Keep up the good work.
	And please tell Lex that I'm a systems admin for the Internet Service Provider, and I feel that he does a great job on the website.
	I guess they have a lot in there.
	What do I know?
	So the guys in the pokey, I've known for years, a lot of you listen out there.
	Good way to escape, really, for a while.
	Here's somebody who writes to me about a cat, and I, oh, a picture of my Yeti is up there, all curled up in a little ball.
	You seem curled up in a little ball up there.
	He's a gigantic cat.
	Absolutely monstrous.
	Longest legs you ever saw on a cat.
	Anyway, this person writes, two weeks ago I had a 20-year-old die art.
	To be expected.
	But it's always a very sad thing.
	Earlier this week, I went up to Siskywood County, Eureka, to check on a real estate situation.
unidentified		Awful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was out cruising a Klamath National Forest gravel road, high, rocky scrub pine, harsh place, 20 miles from anything, no gates, side rows, nothing.
		And there, sitting by the side of the road, is a year-old white and gray little tomcat.
		I always had pet food on board, so I bought him lunch.
		We hit it off fine, and he was desperate for a job, so I hired him on the spot, Art.
		I'm telling you, a person can't go much deeper into the cat luck grab bag than that, and boy did I come up lucky.
		He was cooperative calm through a 700-mile-plus journey of truck travel, affectionate, healthy, somewhat thin, and full of personality.
		So Shasta now has a home.
		Nothing fancy here, but I'm sure you enjoy something good to hear when the earth crumbles and freezes.
		Just a note of something you may not have been told by your animals.
		After a cat has made, quote, the deal with a human, they are known as blats.
		Kind of like those Indian folks that take pastel as a family name when they join a particular religion.
		God bless Luther, Goldie Blatt, friendly blat.
		Now shast a blat.
		Well, I have a theory about cats.
		If you're a cat person, my wife Ramona believes this very strongly, and I think I do too.
		We almost lost one of our cats, Abby.
		That was quite an affair, and about $5,000 from the kitty to bring Abby back to life, literally, because he died in the vet's hands, and then a long recovery, and now Abby's just fine.
		I mean, Abby is as healthy as can be, but we were on the way into the vet in Las Vegas, and I had Abby dying in my lap, and I was crying like a baby.
		Ramona was speeding like a demon.
		On the way to this second vet, first vet had said, you know, put him to sleep.
		And I said, well, I can't repeat what I said.
		Anyway, so we were on the way into Las Vegas to a better vet.
		And I guess I must have reached out in some way and made a wish for, and I did, you know, that if we lose a cat, that another one would come into our lives.
		And so here comes Yeti bounding into our garden one day, just like, you know, I mean, not a hair out of place, looking just absolutely perfect, this incredible animal.
		And he starts jumping up and down, doing backflips, one and a half gainers into the air.
		You know, he's happy, man.
		He found some humans, and he knows he's found a home.
		And, you know, I think that's what happens.
		I think you put out a call into the ether and you say, well, I've lost a cat or I'm losing a cat.
		I need a cat.
		And a cat comes.
		So if you make that call, get ready because you're going to have a new customer, a new housemate.
		Now, it probably didn't hurt that growing wild in our garden is about a five-foot-high bush of catnip.
		In fact, it's gone berserk out there.
		Now, I'm sure that smell, whatever it is that comes from catnip, wafts up into the air and sort of envelops the neighborhood.
		And cats are certainly able to follow that smell with no problem whatsoever.
		I mean, this is one gigantic out-of-control catnip bush.
		We got it started.
		We can't stop it.
		And you have to imagine that smell carried on the wind.
		I don't know.
		Whatever it is, he came just bounding into our life.
		And that will happen to people who are animal people.
		I'm sure with dogs or cats, it doesn't matter.
		There's a call that goes into the ether.
		And then there you are.
		And by the way, speaking calls, of calls in the ether and all the rest of it, in the next hour, we're going to have a witch here.
		She's a real witch.
		Now, I know a lot of you, you just don't believe in this kind of thing, do you?
		You don't believe in magic?
		Not since you were a kid, right?
		You don't believe in witchcraft, which claims the ability to manipulate forces that create what we call magic, but you're wrong.
		There really is something to it all.
		It's not just so much mumbo-jumbo baloney.
		It's not.
		There's something real to it.
		It's a power, a force that some people that practice the craft are able to manipulate.
		And because I know it's real and because I know Evelyn is the real McCoy, we're going to have her on and we're going to touch on something that well, you know, I had a hard time with it.
		It's sex and the paranormal.
		And there is so much more connection between.
		There's an incredible connection between sex and the paranormal, but it's very hard to talk about on the radio.
		It's a big part of life, sex is, so you might imagine that it would have a great deal to do with or would you, the paranormal.
		I mean, most paranormal you would consider disbodied and therefore disinterested in things sexual.
		But I guess it doesn't work out that way.
	Sex is a very, very strong human drive, like many other things.
	And so it is inextricably wound up in the paranormal.
	And we're going to finally address that a little bit with Evelyn Paglini tonight.
	And she is, believe me, is the real McCoy.
	She's a real witch.
	Came from years ago when I put out a call for a true cauldron during broom riding witch.
unidentified		Kind of like with a cat, you know, here comes Evelyn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what we're up to tonight.
		Open lines coming up in a moment, so if you'll just stay right where you are and buckle in.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Coast to Coast AM
		Don't you love her, baby?
		Don't you need her, baby?
		Don't you love her, babe?
		And tell me what you say.
		Don't you love her, baby?
		Don't you love her, babe?
		Don't you love her as she's walking out the door?
		Like she did one thousand times before Don't you love her ways?
		Tell me what you say Don't you love her as she's walking out the door?
		All you love All you love All you love All you love All you love is gone Sing a lonely song Of a beautiful dream Seven horses sing Can't be on the line All right now, y'all, let's go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen very carefully, because we have slightly different numbers during the weekend.
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		From coast to coast and worldwide on the internet, this is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and of course, you and the U part of the component are coming up directly.
		those are the ways through the door the door Holy mackerel, I just took a sip of some coffee at about 5,000 degrees, and I think the roof of my mouth just caved in.
		Ah, well, first time caller line, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Peter.
unidentified		This is Joy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Joy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Joy.
unidentified		Outside Atlanta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And I had a comment about last night's guest, Daniel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		But quickly, I wanted to tell you, you're exactly right about putting out a call for cats.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		I had a cat who is, she's about 18 years old now.
		And she recently moved, and she finally went outside a couple of times, and she just didn't come back one evening, and I was just totally distressed.
		But she's one of those cats that always likes to be outside at night.
		So you have to let her out, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't let ours out.
		Ours are house cats.
		They're totally, you know, we take them out on the porch and let them sniff the air once in a while, but that's it.
unidentified		Well, this is kind of out in the country, and so she loves it out there.
unidentified		But anyway, she disappeared, and we waited about four or five days and finally just decided we had to go find another cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Declared her MIA.
unidentified		Yeah, MIA.
		And so we went down to the Ulane Society, and we got a great little kitten, just a wonderful guy, and brought him home.
		And three days later, here she is hiding underneath the house across the street.
		So we found her, we brought her back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's how it goes.
unidentified		And my friend, who lives in St. Pete, had sent me a sympathy card already and everything.
		And I called her and told her I was so excited.
		Maggie is back.
		Maggie is back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, non-animal people, hun, they don't understand.
		You know, they hear stuff like sympathy card and all the rest of that.
		They go, oh, my God, it's just an animal.
		But they don't understand.
unidentified		They really don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only animal people can understand.
		Thank you very much.
		It's equivalent to losing a family member.
		You know, No, no, it isn't.
		It is losing a family member.
		And I know all the non-pet people out there go, oh, geez.
		But it's true.
		Believe me, it's true.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		How are you doing?
		All right, this is Blair and Sedona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, you talked about this election canceling.
unidentified		It just flashed on me a conspiracy scenario.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
		How could you not?
		Well.
		I'm telling you, this story is going to get blown wide open on every talk show from coast to coast all week long until you think you can't stand hearing about it anymore.
		It's going to be a big subject.
unidentified		Well, back in 2003, I recorded 20 seconds of Representative Jim McDermott from Washington, and he says that private military contractors get a free ride from Congress if the funding agreed upon by the lawmakers get this, is under $50 million.
		Thereby, he says, for $49 million or less, there is no congressional oversight provided.
		Now, the Senate debated about this about three or four weeks ago about military private contractors in Iraq.
		Warner of Virginia was pro, and Leahy from Vermont was against, and that was on C-SPAN also.
		And so all of a sudden, when you mentioned this, all of a sudden my brain went, conspiracy, conspiracy, conspiracy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that's what you're going to hear all week long.
		Conspiracy.
		And it's just going to set them off.
		And maybe with some cause.
		I mean, doesn't it send a little bit of a chill down your spine to hear him even talking about that?
unidentified		Yeah, it's sort of like setting things up.
		It's getting people prepared for something.
		And, you know, I don't want to go and like Pavlov's dog that, but it's still at the same time, I don't like the way Americans are continually being conditioned in a fear mode.
		It's too much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember when a certain general a long time ago stepped in front of national television and said, well, I'm in charge here at the White House now?
unidentified		Oh, sure.
unidentified		I would turn the Reagan with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you can imagine this sort of thing in a Central American country where, you know, those who run it are shuffled in and out on a somewhat regular basis.
		And sometimes out means all the way out, out of office, out of life, you know, altogether.
		And administrations change like that.
		But that's just not something that Americans can even consider.
		You know, like waking up one morning and seeing some general saying, well, I'm in charge here now at the White House.
		We're going to be running things the military way from now on.
		Oh, boy.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		How are you doing, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay.
unidentified		This is Stephen.
unidentified		Listen to you, I'm WDAK in Columbus, Georgia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I've got a cream Persian sitting on my desk getting involved in my paperwork.
unidentified		I've got a little small seven and a half week chihuahua and a 90-pound chow on the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, geez.
unidentified		But at any rate, I didn't get a chance to speak with you last week.
unidentified		How did your fireworks display go?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It went wonderfully.
unidentified		Was your weather great?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yo, it was perfect.
		And we did the choreography from the radio station.
		Everybody had speakers blaring, and we had one of the biggest celebrations on the West Coast.
		I mean, it's bigger than what they do in Las Vegas.
		People don't understand this little growing town of Trump.
		We're now, I think, according to New York Times, second-fastest growing town in the U.S. Can you believe that?
		And we had this incredible fireworks display.
		It was awesome.
unidentified		Well, the gods above us, they granted us after 23 straight days of rain here in the southeast, granted us two lovely days, the third and the fourth, and we got off about 70 displays.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, can you, listen, while we're on the subject of weather, Lucly, can you believe they're having tornadoes up in BC?
unidentified		You know, I heard a little bit of that this evening.
		I took a nap this afternoon.
		I'm doing paperwork now.
		This is about the only time I can not be bothered.
		I'll get a chance to listen to you guys.
		But no, I heard a little bit of that.
		That's strange as places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I keep saying it, sir.
		We're like frogs, you know, and the water's getting hotter and hotter and hotter.
		And some of us are beginning to look around and say, hey, you know, listen here, froggies, this water, haven't you noticed, it's getting really hot.
		And it is.
		It's starting to get really hot.
		I mean, the weather is changing, and you don't notice because it comes in increments.
unidentified		It was 98 degrees here in Columbus, Georgia today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And it was killer out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call.
unidentified		Thank you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Hey, you fellow frogs.
		It's getting warm in here.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
		This is Jim up in the Seattle area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Jim.
unidentified		I have a question and a comment.
		Okay.
		EG ⁇ G, is that a super secret public company?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		EG ⁇ G is quite a public company.
		However, they do a lot of secret stuff.
		Okay.
		Because, you know, they're the test site type people, right?
		EG ⁇ G, and so they're very public on one side and very, very dark on the other side.
unidentified		Okay, 40 years ago, I had a friend stationed at Fort Lewis, not too far from Seattle.
		His father showed up unbeknownst to him, and he asked his father, he says, what are you doing out here?
		He says, I'm headed for Hanford.
		He says, what are you doing in Hanford?
		He says, none of your damn business.
		And he looked at him for a little bit and he said, let's just say it's unconventional flight.
		And there's absolutely nothing over at Hanford.
		Just mile after mile of desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
unidentified		And a few buildings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and a few buildings.
		Well, there's a lot of secret stuff going on there and just out over the hill from me.
		It's a little difficult to discern the difference between where we might be technologically with aircraft and their ability to do all kinds of things like disappear and stuff like that and reports of UFOs.
		It's a little difficult to distinguish between the two.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Ark.
		Hi.
		Hi, this is Tab Webmaster from the Fantastic Forum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing, buddy?
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pirateville, yes.
unidentified		Yes, indeed.
		Hey, I was just, I had a guest request for you.
		Oh.
		George Norrie did an interview with David Anderson, the director of SETI at Home.
		And I was just wondering if you could have him back because they just released BOINC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		BOINC?
unidentified		That's like the second generation.
unidentified		It's going to be the backbone for SETI at Home and other distributed computing projects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another SETI project.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sounds like a good request.
unidentified		I'd just like to hear you interview him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Thanks a lot, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You're very welcome.
		Take care.
		We'll see.
		Ahead of SETI at home.
		how many of you are still crunching numbers for seti Thank you.
		It's really an interesting time.
		Can you imagine if somebody out there with their PC, Pentium, whatever, were to be the one to actually get the signal?
		And they might well be.
		It could easily work out that way, that somebody at home crunching numbers would hit the big one.
		And the question I always had for them was, would they notify the person they had been the one?
		They say, absolutely.
		First time caller line, you're on air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Extinguish your radio, please.
unidentified		Pardon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		My radio off?
		Yes.
		Uh-huh.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, because you're on and there's a delay, and it will confuse you and me as well.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, yeah.
		There probably is a delay.
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, what's up?
unidentified		Oh, not a whole lot.
		I was just wondering if you've ever heard of Kent Hovind.
		Yes.
		You've interviewed him before with his father's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why, yes, I have, indeed, yes.
unidentified		How do you feel about his point of views and whatnot?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's an interesting question.
		I don't know that I'm very much of a fundamentalist anything.
		But on the other hand, I enjoy listening to radical views of people, and some I digest and some I discard.
		So I don't know.
		He's an interesting interview.
		How about that?
unidentified		He is.
		He is.
		I also was wondering, oh, darn it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were wondering something that you now can't recall.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, now that I just looked at it, you have a really pretty cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		That's Yeti.
		Thank you very much.
		That's my webcam.
		You can get there by going coastcoastam.com.
		Upper left-hand corner, Art's webcam.
		You'll see Yeti snoozing away.
		He's an extremely long cat, but he can curl up into this little ball.
		He's obviously a multiple-jointed cat.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Well, hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
		Turn your radio off for me.
		Okay.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Can I insert a dog story?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course.
unidentified		I've got a Tibetan mastiff.
unidentified		It's like having a big cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
		That's their personalities.
		You have a dog that has the personality of a cat.
		How could that be?
unidentified		Well, they're Tibetan mastiffs.
		That's just their personality type.
		They're not a suck-up dog.
		They're kind of more like a cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, indifferent until they want you.
unidentified		Well, pet me if I want to get petted, otherwise don't bother me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's an attitude, I know.
unidentified		It's an attitude thing.
unidentified		I adore him, but I mean, it's like most people wouldn't tolerate it to be a dog.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Egyptians, you see, they understood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not only did they understand the attitude, they worshipped it.
unidentified		Oh, well, I mean, I think it's great because he's not in my face all the time with a filthy ball.
		But that's the other thing, too.
		If I throw a ball, he looks at me like, you know, well, if you wanted it, why'd you throw it away?
		He's cat-like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, then your dog is somewhat cat-like, yes.
unidentified		Anyhow, I had to tell you, originally, I've had him since he was a baby.
unidentified		I had planned to get a female.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		When I went to the breeder, this one climbed up in my lap and told the other puppies to get away from me.
unidentified		He was mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's how it works.
		And that's how you know when the moment has arrived.
		In the case of one of my other cats, I'm sure I've told this before.
		Shadow is her name.
		It was the one cat that we adopted from a catary.
		And we went, oh, God, we saw, you know, like hundreds of cats.
		We went into about, I don't know, six giant cat enclosures where there were like 100 or 200 cats in each one.
		When we got to this final enclosure, and we had seen a couple of really pretty cats, but we got to this final enclosure.
		And here comes this black, this black strike of lightning.
		I mean, this cat flew across the bodies of the other cats at about 1,000 miles an hour, ran across all of them, out the little door that was open, right up my pant leg, grabbed me around the neck, put her two paws around my neck, and held on for dear life and wouldn't let go.
		And I looked at Rome and I said, well, I guess that's the one, huh?
		More often than not, they pick you.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		West of the Rockies call toll-free, 1-800-618-8255.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good start already, Gerald.
		All we can allow you to do on the air is give a first name only.
		So your name is Gerald.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, where are you calling from?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Hey, I'd just like to say I'd like to comment on your movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the day after tomorrow.
unidentified		Yes, yes.
		It was very good.
		I was just wondering if I asked you how you came along to do that movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, I didn't do the movie.
		I wrote with Whitley Streeber, The Coming Global Superstorm, that became that movie.
		Yes.
		And Whitley and I wrote that book because of what we think is going on with the weather.
		And obviously, people decided it was a very good story and made it into a movie, which, by the way, now is like number 30 or something of all-time movies.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And has made well over $500 million at this point.
		So it's incredible.
		I mean, it's incredible what it has done.
		Hopefully it'll wake people up.
		I mean, you start hearing stories about tornadoes up in D.C., and it it's time to wake up.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I believe on your your theory there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear a panting dog.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, that's my dog.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, either that or you've got a pretty unusual brother or sister.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, anything else?
unidentified		Yeah, I'd like to comment also since you talked about your cats.
unidentified		It seems that a lot of people are calling about dogs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of a sudden.
unidentified		That's right.
		You do have real nice cats.
		I have two myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two of them, huh?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, thank you very much for the call.
		And I guess there's a lot of us out there with animal kingdom friends, huh?
		Does anybody, have you ever seen any numbers on percentage of pet ownership in the U.S.?
		For example, how many cats are owned?
		How many dogs are owned?
		Does anybody really know?
		On the international line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry.
unidentified		Is it the international line?
unidentified		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have dialed the wrong number.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're honestly admitting that.
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you, sir.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi.
		My name is Dave, and I'm just going to tell you, we have family living in northern Alberta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And we just got a call here.
		What the heck was it?
		A couple days ago, they got a tornado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And it's incredible because where we were living was four and a half hours northwest of Edmonton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, sir, it's the Midwest weather pattern moving north.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what's happening.
unidentified		Yeah, like I don't think they've ever had one that far north, especially up in that area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That may or may not be correct, but the frequency of it now is telling us an incredible story if we only listen.
unidentified		Right.
		And the strange thing about it is, my mother-in-law was saying, when the tornado hit, it was cold.
		Usually, don't you need warm weather mixed with the cooler air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, you need a collision, and generally you have the warm air where you are and the cold air encroaching.
		And so when you have the storm, then it will drop 10, 20, 30 degrees as the storm progresses.
		But it usually begins warm, not cold.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And they were saying it was very cold when this hit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm telling you, it's changing.
		I mean, it's obvious, and I think everybody in their gut knows it too.
		The weather is changing.
		Evelyn Paiquini's coming up next from the high desert.
		I'm Art Bell.
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		do you believe in I've had nothing but bad luck since the day I saw the cat at my door.
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		in your mystical call.
		Crystal ball on the table, showing the future to the past.
		Same cat with them evil eyes, and I knew it was a spell she cast.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just took a one in a million photograph.
		You know, during the break, I went next door to see Ramona, as I normally do.
		And she's got a little hobby room in there, and, you know, there's a single bed in there for visitors and that sort of thing.
		That's where her computer is.
		And she generally spends all her time when I'm on the air or and or otherwise on the radio.
unidentified		And ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'll never see this.
		Not in a million years.
		To you, it might be nothing, but in our household, it's one in a million.
		I've got a wild cat named Comet.
		You can't take Comet's picture.
		You can't do it.
		I mean, this cat sees a camera come.
		He'll just take off a million miles an hour, but I tricked him.
		I did it.
		Here, I went into the other room, and here are all four of our cats lying on this bed.
		And so I snuck in, and I got the camera, and I whipped around the corner and took a picture.
		Of course, Tomet's now under the bed, but it's the first time I've been able to get a photograph Of all four of them together ever.
		And I whipped it down to the right size, sent it off to the website, and within minutes, it should be up there for all of you to see.
		There are all four.
unidentified		All four of our animals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our animals.
		An extremely rare picture, which I snapped during the break, and processed during the break, and sent up to the internet during the break.
		All right, warning.
		I'm issuing now my class 1A.
		We're about to talk to some...
		We're about to talk to some very serious, very real, and very adult issues.
		Therefore, if you are a parent and your child is still awake at this hour, which probably they ought not be, be informed.
		We're going to talk about some scary stuff and some controversial stuff.
		We're going to talk about the paranormal, witchcraft, and sex.
		So I thought I'd lay it out straight for you.
		Be warned.
		What's coming up may not be for the ears of small ones.
		I feel compelled to give that warning.
		You've got enough notice right now.
		Turn the radio off.
		If you find this material disturbing or you don't want your children to hear it, turn it off now.
		Dr. Evelyn Paglini, parapsychologist, is one of the leading authorities on the occult and the supernatural in the U.S. She was born into a centuries-old family of practitioners of the occult, and at the age of four, her grandfather began teaching her natural magic.
		She is a psychic, metaphysical teacher, lecturer, consultant, doctor of divinity, and spiritual warrior.
		She also founded the International Psychic Center, a research investigation organization that has been called upon as an expert by law enforcement agencies.
		She's set precedent in the Texas court system on a child abuse case with ritual overtones and worked with law enforcement on missing persons and murder cases involving the occult and the supernatural.
		Evelyn Paglini is a witch.
		Stay right where you are.
		You've been warned.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, to be honest with you, I don't recall exactly how it began.
		I know it was several months ago, and it was probably a caller.
		You know, most things on this program begin because of something that a caller says one way or the other.
		And I think it was a caller that related some sort of psychic experience that had sexual overtones, pretty heavy ones.
		And so I sort of made note of that mentally, and I think I said, look, if there's anybody else with this sort of experience, please fire me off in email.
		Oh, God.
		It still hasn't stopped.
		I've had thousands and thousands of responses, and I thought, well, what do I do with this?
		You know, what do I do with this?
		It's very hard to talk about.
		It's hard enough to talk about the world of psychic occurrence, the spirit world, whatever you want to call it, and then throw sex in on top of that.
		It's just really hard.
		And I thought, whoa, boy, am I in trouble.
		Where am I going to get a guest to talk about this connection?
		And now I've got Evelyn Paglini, and she says she can talk about it.
		Evelyn?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome back to the program.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's always a pleasure to be with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I want to thank you.
		Evelyn sent me for my 59th birthday, which occurred June 17th.
		This incredible, incredible globe.
		Oh, it's a globe.
		It's really awesome.
		It's a pretty good giant-sized globe that's made entirely of gemstones.
		Oh, my God.
		What an incredible piece, Evelyn.
		You should not have done it, but thank you.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad I put a smile on your face.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A smile?
		Oh, I jumped up and down.
		Ramona jumped up and down.
		Big time.
		Thank you so much.
		It is astoundingly beautiful.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, anyway, here you are, and you heard what I had to say, and that's how it developed on the program, but I really haven't been able to find anybody to address it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, most of the guests that I have, they admit, since I've been talking about this, oh, yes, there's a gigantic connection between the occult and sexuality, but they don't want to talk about it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It has always been, but it is a taboo.
		It's very difficult to understand.
		Certainly, most people who are practitioners are well aware of its power, as well as its usage, and can have a sinister effect.
		And so, therefore, most people will not discuss it and certainly won't give you the insight or the techniques.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		You know, some of the audience, obviously, tonight, as every night, will be new.
		And they're going to say, practice what?
		What are we talking about here?
		We're talking about what I guess I call witchcraft.
		Others call the craft.
		What is it exactly, Evelyn?
		Just so we have the basis down here.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, the basis is natural magic, tuning into that which is nature and the elements, being able to use the forces of nature to manipulate them, to be able to influence other people, outcomes, effects, and those practitioners who have an understanding of it are able to enjoy goals as well as, let's say, black or stop or repel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I talked to a man last night, Daniel, who had gone to various countries around the world and tried different psychedelics.
		And he laid heavily into the ritual aspect of the taking of these psychedelics and the rituals and things that some of these tribes and so forth Believed in, Evelyn, and a very great deal of it was natural worship of the sun, of the moon, of the earth.
		And so many tribes we seem to run into around the world do seem to worship those things.
		And you're saying it is those things and it's natural.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It is, and it crosses all cultures and all religions.
		It is the basics of magic.
		And when you tune into the forces of nature, you have no idea what you can accomplish.
		I think the final frontier is the mind because we do not know exactly the potential of the mind and what it can accomplish.
		You've seen with your experiments, when you have gotten the collective consciousness to focus their attention on something, the outcome can be tremendous.
		Could it not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it was, Evelyn.
		I saw it happen.
		We were all part of it.
		A great deal of this audience was part of it, so they know.
		A listener sent in a question.
		Elizabeth asks the following.
		Can I practice the craft and still believe and go to my church?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I was raised Roman Catholic, and I have no problem with integrating natural magic and Christianity.
		Because I believe in God, and I believe that God gave us nature and the elements and the forces.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many practitioners of Christianity, you know, for example, priests, do you think might, if a parishioner were to go to them and say, look, I'm a good Christian father, but I want to go and practice a little bit of witchcraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think they would be as generous in recommending this cross-pollination?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I would say probably 80% would not.
		But I have been very blessed because I had a father, Richard Wood, from Iolo University, many, many years ago.
		And this man understood me and I understood him.
		And one that we both know, Father Malachi Martin.
		That was in 1968, where we had many discussions on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so there was no problem with him and I. So then calling upon natural powers, powers of the wind, of the sun, of the earth, these are every bit, you believe, in concert with the concept of our God as we believe it to be.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As Christians.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I feel we have a choice once we have the power in our hands, and it is by the intent that we use that power, whether it become positive or negative.
		In other words, don't blame the devil made me do it.
		You're the one who made the choice.
		If I show you how to do something, and then you use it against your fellow man, who made that choice?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		So you must take responsibility for your action.
		What magic gives you is the power to change something, to influence something.
		You are the person who chooses the intent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Power is neutral.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		There's going to be a lot of intent in what we're about to talk about.
		Now, are you at all surprised that I got this massive response to the question about the supernatural, which I discuss on the show a lot, and then the sexual aspect of it.
		It was like a landslide here, Evelyn.
		Really, a landslide.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I was very glad that you got a landslide response because this has gone on in history for tens of thousands of years.
		But most people who have experienced any form of this are too ashamed, too frightened to talk to other people.
		They could be ridiculed or shot down or disbelief.
		And not only is it difficult for a woman, but it's even harder for a man.
		That's right.
		I'm glad you got the response you got.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I sure did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it came, by the way, from both sexes.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uniformly from both sexes.
		So I was astounded.
		And so obviously there really is something to this.
		What are some of the techniques one might use in magic involved in sexuality?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, if we're going to start at level one, like I say, every person out there would like to know how to, let's say, increase their sexuality or to have a technique to draw a person to them sexually.
		Then you could use imitative and sympathetic magic.
		And imitative would be to have a picture of a person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that is your subject.
		And then, of course, sympathetic magic is that which is in sympathy with the body.
		It would help if you could have something that was like an unmorse article of clothing or, let's say, strands of hair, fingernail pairings, anything that was part of or worn close to the body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why are these artifacts of, I guess they're of the person, the hair, fingernails, those are mentioned all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Because they establish a bond, a link, okay, with you and that subject.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in your fingernail clippings, in your hair, whatever, Evelyn, your entire DNA, your little snowflake DNA is complete.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Each one of those things.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And so what you have done now is established a link to that very person that is going to become the subject you are going to work upon.
		And once you have imitative and sympathetic magic, you can use many different means.
		The means today in modern witchcraft is wax figures known as image candles.
		And of course, the gender of the choice that you are working on.
		So once you've done that, what you're going to use naturally would be red because you are talking about sex.
		You are talking about stimulating the sexual Organs and the libido itself.
		And so the color would be red and the gender of the subject that you are going to be working on.
		And what you're going to do, if you're going to be calling in, let's say, the elements, then you would call in the element a fire because, again, you want to ignite the passion of an individual.
		And so, therefore, you can also use so many different things in order to enhance and to influence.
unidentified		So, are you...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you trying to influence a particular person's sexual desire for you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In most instances, that's what you'd be doing, right?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		On level one, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On level one.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's just level one.
		And so how successful is this kind of thing?
		Assuming that you put together a ritual, you've got a candle, you've got red all over the place, and all the rest of it, what's your expectation?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you have imitative and sympathetic going for you and you are very good with meditation and visualization, which is a prerequisite, your outcome will be astoundingly quick and very satisfying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, your phone is going to ring, she's going to knock on, here she is going to knock on your door.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		So you're going to notice that there's a chemistry that is going to start being emitted, and that chemistry between the two of you is going to be enhanced.
		And so therefore, the, let's say, sexual tension will build between the two of you.
		Now, if you're dating, okay, if you have this person as already a mate or a level, then you can take your lover to the next level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And people are talking about that all the time.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, there are many techniques of doing that, not only with a wax figure, but there's a really good one, and it's quick.
		Get your paper and pencil out because it's really very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Let's say that you are laying next to your mate.
		Now, this has got to be done when that person is already asleep and you're awake.
		You can say this by whispering it, but you can also say it emotionally, mentally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it, Rose?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And that would be, you need me.
		You want me.
		You desire me.
		You cannot live without me.
		You see my face before you, no matter where you go.
		Say this over and over and over again.
		You are penetrating the psyche of that individual, and you are binding them emotionally as well as sexually to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that like a post-hypnotic suggestion?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Not if you're saying it mentally.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		The post-hypnotic suggestion has got to be audible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you said it could be audible.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I said you can whisper it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I said, but you would get more emotion if you did it mentally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And roll over it again.
		A lot of people can't write that quickly.
		You need me?
		You need me.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You want me.
		You desire me.
		You cannot live without me.
		You see my face before you, no matter where you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And in your mind, what you're doing is you're bombarding the seeping subject.
		Mentally, you are breaking into the psyche and you are planting seeds.
		And in your mind's eye, with your visualization technique, you are making love to that person.
		And they mentally are responding back.
		And you are establishing a bond that is unbelievable.
		We haven't even done a blood moon ritual yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Blood moon ritual.
		You need me, you want me, you desire me.
		You cannot live without me.
		You see my face everywhere.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You see my face before you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before you everywhere.
		That really will work, Evelyn?
		oh yes of course this is somebody you're already fairly close to since you're Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And you want to enhance the love, the passion, and the binding action of the two of you.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll hold it right there.
		Evelyn, Dr. Evelyn Paglini, is my guest.
		She's a witch, and she's got instructive things for you this night if you listen carefully.
unidentified		maybe you want to try one of them I don't love you ever.
		Say one more thing.
		But a day that she promised you heaven, will you ever win?
		She is like a cat in the dark.
		She's dressed running like a woman who caught in the rain.
		She's all about her eyes and her eyes.
		Explanations should the desire that she gave in the air of the count.
		Explanations should the desire that she gave in the air.
		But the blue top walls never mark at the stars.
		Does the hidden door she leads you to?
		These days, she says, I feel my life just like a red bull running through.
		The air of the count.
		Explanations should the desire that she gave in the air.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to warn you.
		Witchcraft Witchcraft like anything else, good and bad, and you're gonna hear about both tonight.
		So, the standard sexual content.
unidentified		Paranormal content, witchcraft content.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		look out it's gonna get strange And I absolutely love sex.
		That's SAS sex phone.
		But the other's alright, too.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even though this is level one that we're talking about right now, Evelyn, I guess I would like to stop before we proceed and ask you what you think the ethics are of doing this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you're if this works, then you are strongly affecting your intentions, imposing your intentions on another person.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		If that is your mate, your partner, your lover, then all you're doing is enhancing the sexual act and the bond between you.
		But unfortunately, there are practitioners out there who are going to use the same knowledge and the same power in the wrong way.
		Their ethics are not present at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the magic works either way, right?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Power is neutral.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's only the intent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the ethics can be good or they can be wanting.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		And then they cross the line.
		But many do.
		And there are people out there that have been affected by these acts of practitioners.
		Unbeknownsts, unwanted, unsolicited.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's right.
		And they will call in here inevitably, Evelyn, or fire me a fast blast and ask, what can I do to stop this?
		It's like a curse on me.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And they have an opportunity to do a separation or a breakup spell.
		I've had many men as well as women call and tell me that they have lost their partner due to magic by a sexual spell being cast upon them.
		And once you have the target and you know the person who has caused this, yes, you can do a separation or a breakup spell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we all know vengeance hath no, you know, like a woman.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Or a man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or a man.
		A scoring.
		So, I mean, this could get to be rough stuff.
		Is there, if you're going to, I guess this is sort of, it's sort of casting a spell, isn't it?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we'll call it what it is.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's why the person that's going to counterbalance this has got to have some knowledge, or at least someone behind them that does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any time of the day or night or week or month or whatever when these things are easier to do when natural forces are more with you?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		You could always use a waxing moon when you are going after something positive or a waning moon if you're doing a separation or a breakup.
		You can use a new moon or a full moon because it will give you extra power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is the moon important?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		The moon has such an influence on this planet, not just in the tides and, of course, us being so much filled with water on our emotions, but when you also use, let's say, the goddess Diana and the influence of the waxing and the waning of the moon, you're gaining extra power.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And so therefore, when you're doing this kind of a ritual, you want all the assistance, all the help that you can get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you can get it by timing it just right.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Now in the evening is the best time.
		The reason why is you always want to make sure that the subject that you are working on is in a repose or in a relaxed state.
		So the best time is when they're sleeping.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would like to understand really what it is about the moon.
		You know, I don't doubt its power, Evelyn.
		Anybody who does anything with the public, I do a talk program, and you can be doggone.
		Sure, if you do an open line night on a full moon night, look out, baby, it's going to hit the fan.
		And, you know, cops can tell you, emergency service workers can tell you, 911 people can tell you, the moon really is important to us in one way or another.
		And when that moon gets full, people get nuts.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Because, see, the moon is the closest to us.
		And it is the one that reflects all of the vibrations and all of the energies from the entire universe and solar system.
		It is what beams here to Earth.
		When we understand these influences, we can tap into the forces and the vibrations and use them to manipulate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, astronomers say it's rubbish, that the amount of effect, gravitationally or in any other way, that the moon or other planets could have on us is ridiculous.
		There just couldn't be an effect, they say.
		And yet, I don't doubt it.
		Having witnessed it over many, many years here in talk radio, there is something about the moon.
		So there's something they don't know.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		And again, when you're calling upon the goddess Diana, then you can also use what is called blood on the moon.
		Now, this is taking it to the next level.
		When you want to really bind a person to you sexually, not only in this lifetime, but even in the next.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean there's sex in the next life?
		Yeah.
		We'll get back to that.
		That's important.
		Please continue.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		What you're going to use is the blood, minstrel blood.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Three drops is used, and it is either going to be put in wine that is going to be ingested by the subject.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of blood?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Minstrel.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Your ministration blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Three drops.
		This is very ancient art.
		This has gone back thousands of times.
		I've never heard of something new.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've never heard of anything like this in my life.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I told you, most people who are practitioners are not going to give up this kind of information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I can see why.
		Yeah.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		that's incredible okay and so Or you could mix it in, like I mentioned, the wine or a meatloaf or a sandwich.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess it doesn't matter, but it's a binding agent.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It is the binding agent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The binding agent.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's better than the witch's cord.
		It's better than a knot candle.
		It's better than the thread that you tie in knots.
		This is the ultimate binding action.
		And it has been used for tens of thousands of years.
		Just like the nectar of the gods, honey, is blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where, Evelyn, is knowledge like this written down?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it written down?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Oh, if you would get some of the O Leland books or Aratia, the Gospel of Witches, I believe there's also Dion Fortune has several books that are very good on it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'm just pulling it right off the top of my hat, but there are several excellent books out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was just curious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is knowledge that has been known and practiced for how long?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Tens of thousands of years.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Because we haven't even gotten into the planes of existence and what you can do by creating a familiar adopt ganger.
unidentified		We haven't gone there yet, babe.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's when it gets sinister.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
		When you cast a spell of this kind, what can your expectations be in terms of how long it might last?
		Is it a temporary thing?
		Does it last a number of years, a lifetime?
unidentified		What?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		If you have a person that you are trying to cause them to go against their natural choice or will, then you're going to have to do the ritual often in order to sustain it.
		If you have a willing partner, meaning a loved one, a husband, a wife, then the spell is going to only increase and it can last a lifetime.
		And again, to the next lifetime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that's natural love enhanced.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Right.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's natural love enhanced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if you're essentially going against the person's free will, you're going to continue it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, if you're forcing somebody, then you've got to reinforce it how often, for example.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It depends on the strength of the practitioner.
		If they're a practitioner that's got at least 15 years under their belt, I would have to say it would last possibly years.
		If they are a person that's a neophyte, a chela, an initiate, six months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is doing such a thing to a person for your own satisfaction?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever?
unidentified		Yeah, your desire, your desire for control.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It may not necessarily be love, it may be just lust.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		And so do the majority of people who do this kind of thing to another, Evelyn, in your experience, find it satisfying or ultimately shallow because they're forcing an event which ain't natural.
		And, you know, after a while, they must start to feel the other person is not sexually turned on to me.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		They don't have a conscience.
		They don't have a conscience.
		They want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but part of the ego is the fact that that other person is giving themselves to you because they want you, not because they're under a spell.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's right, and you're controlling them, and that is the ultimate high, the ultimate power over another person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But isn't for many, if even not most, wouldn't there be a diminishing of the satisfaction of being with that person, knowing that they're being forced to do it as opposed to wanting to do it?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Each person is different.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You have to understand the psyche of the practitioner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or is the ego sufficiently satisfied by exercising the power to make that person do something they don't want to do?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it usually is.
		The ego, yes.
		You hit the nail on the head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess, huh?
		Well, there's no shortage of egos out there.
		So, you know, a lot of people who probably don't believe in witchcraft anyway, they do wonder, though, how much of this is going on out there on an everyday sort of Basis, Evelyn?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		As I said, there are tens of thousands of people just at the basics of the person being a practitioner wanting or enhancing or stealing a husband or a wife.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's happening all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All the time, huh?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And when we get to the.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But people using magic, people using at least this level of magic.
unidentified		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I hear it all the time, Art.
		And I have for the last 45 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, you've been dead center in the middle of it, but the average citizen doesn't, for the most part, hear a word about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, unless they're hearing this program tonight, Evelyn, I can guarantee that last little ritual you took us through, most people haven't heard about it, I guarantee.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		At least I maybe don't know the actual ritual unless they're a practitioner, but they know the outcome because it's either them or a loved one that it's been worked upon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It mentions in your bio that you're a spiritual warrior, that that's one aspect of what you do.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If a wife begins to realize that somebody has put a spell on her husband, then she has to become a spiritual warrior, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She's going to be at war with this husband.
unidentified		That's correct.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, because she's dealing with a practitioner, and she's going to have to learn how to combat it, how to reverse it, how to break it, how to separate it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		In other words, she's going to attack the same forces, but use them positively.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in most households, you know, when mothers talk to daughters, this is not part of that talk they have about the way the world works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or maybe I'm wrong, and maybe there are many more households where it is part of that talk.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It is in every culture.
		Believe me, there is always the grandmother or the great aunt that is going to give you the secrets.
		It's passed down from generation to generation.
		It always has been, no matter the tradition, the culture, or the religion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you say something like, honey, it's time to sit down and talk about the birds, the bees, and a little magic.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness.
		All right.
		Is there a way to compel a person to leave the person they're with to be, for example, with you?
		Now, that's a little bit on the dark side, and that's where we're headed a little bit here, folks.
		That's why I issued the warning.
		I mean, this is serious stuff.
		If you wanted to take somebody away from somebody else, is there magic that would achieve that?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there is.
		You're using the same tools, imitative, sympathetic, but the intent is different.
		What you're going to first do is cause havoc within the marriage or within the lover so that there becomes irritability, disdain, confusion, and the person are not in conjunction with each other.
		So therefore, now that person is vulnerable.
		Now you do an attraction ritual using imitative and sympathetic magic to draw that person within to your web.
		And as you spin your web, it gets tighter and tighter and you draw that person to you as you cause more friction, more harm, more aggravation in the household.
		And eventually, you will get that mate to leave their spouse and to seek solace and comfort with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		I must tell you, Evelyn, the majority of people that I have on the program and talk about things like this, they say, to me, it's kind of wussy New Ageism, if you will.
		But, you know, when you ask them about this sort of thing, they will say, look, you can't use it for what would be considered by most a negative reason.
		You just can't do it.
		It's all white, light, and beautiful, and the other stuff doesn't work.
		They say that, but that's rubbish, huh?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		They want it to be that way, but power is neutral.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Power is power.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And if I choose to reach across thousands of miles and influence another person, I can do it.
		I can do it wrongly or I can do it positively.
		And you can ask so many of the people in your audience who have gotten to know me these past seven years, I have come to them during ritual and given them extra energy and extra power.
		So they know it to be true.
		Thousands of miles away, you can affect and you can influence another.
		And it's only those people who don't want to believe it who are even more vulnerable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		i would suppose they would be the vulnerable one day and in other words their mind that there's no Until it happens to them.
		Until it happens to them, and then they seek me out.
		Do you get a lot of people like that, Evelyn?
		People who were great doubters, but with the reality of what's happening to them, and they're what, feeling out of control, knowing that they're not acting with their own will or what?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'm usually the last resort, and they have tried everything.
		But when they realize that it's so unusual what has been done to their mate, they are looking for answers, and the answers always lie in magic because they find out that the person has been dabbling or they come from a heritage or a background.
		They know when it's being magic that it's been causing the rift within the household.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are many other heritages, aren't there, other than ours, that would recognize this sort of intervention more quickly than we would, huh?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		You're Italian practitioners, you're Irish, you're English, you're German, many of them, because of the old European religions and because of the society that has gone down through the ages.
		This is common knowledge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		All right, hold it right there.
		Evelyn Paglini is my guest.
		I'm Mark Bell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you something, music is not a small part of setting the right mood, the set and setting for doing something like we're doing tonight.
		Dr. Evelyn Paglini is my guest.
		She is a witch.
		She practices the craft, and she's here tonight talking about sexuality, and I should add, how you can practice the craft.
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I've already given you a warning.
		I'm going to give you another one right now.
		This has been sort of level one that we've done so far, but we're about to go take this relationship between the audience and level it up to another level.
		So be warned.
		I mean, this is not for the little ones.
		And this may not even be for you.
		If it gives you the EBD, you have to listen to it.
		Or put an enzyme smile on your face.
		I don't know.
		Either way, be warned.
		This is explicit material we're dealing with.
		And here once again is Evelyn Taglini.
		Evelyn.
		All right.
		By the way, let's get it in.
		You know, a million people are going to want to contact you for whatever reason.
		It always occurs.
		Every program will be no different.
		If they want to get hold of you, want your help, want advice, want whatever it is people want when they get hold of you, how do they do it?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have one number, 818.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, a toll-free number, really.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Okay, 1-818-407-407-1951.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		1951, and what's that for?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And that is to reach me at 818-407-1951.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Now, you can also call 818-985-9935 if you would like to talk to the product in Mystical Blend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I was full of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		818 would not be a toll-free number, would it?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		That's right.
		Good.
		They're paying for it.
		So.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		One more thing, Art.
		I gave the audience, those who are interested in auras, if they will go to mysticalblend.com, there is an entire class that they can print out and learn about the auras.
		Also, under Ask a Witch, I have answered several questions that have been sent to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a little column called Ask a Witch?
unidentified		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's on my website, mysticalblend.com.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		But those who want to know about the auras, there's a very good class up there, free.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I imagine, boy, that's quite a twist on some other columns.
		Ask a Witch.
		That would be fun to read all by itself.
		And that's on your website?
		Yes, it is.
		Okay, so like FAQs, you know, of a witch.
		Frequently asked questions.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When most people call you, Evelyn, what are they after?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I've got an awful lot of people who have been experiencing psychic attack.
		And so they are trying to remove a negativity, send back a negativity to the sender, stop a negative cycle that they have been under.
		So it's either psychic attack or it is in the realm that we are talking about this evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Question, Evelyn.
		How does a person delineate between a psychic attack and bad luck and just, I don't know, people have ups and downs in their life.
		Life goes like that, up and down, up and down, up and down, good and bad.
		How do you decide?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It goes up and down, and it usually comes to an end.
		A psycho only runs a course.
		A spell doesn't end.
		And it starts coming from all sides.
		There is no up and down.
		It's down and then down further.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would begin to rain bad luck.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		And it hits you in every aspect of life.
		It may start in your prosperity or financial arena, but eventually it will hit your health and then it will hit emotionally and socially and then relatively.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if you're under attack, there is not going to be any doubt about it.
		Or, well, there might be, but I mean, you know, to a person who understands a little bit about this, there wouldn't be any doubt.
		They would know they're under attack.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and many of them know that it's a person doing it.
		In other words, they'll say, it's this person at work who's into Santeria.
		It's my mother-in-law who I know practices magic.
		It's my sister-in-law who dabbles.
		In other words, it's not always coming from out of the blue.
		They usually know that they have crossed someone in the field, and this person is now seeking revenge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Couple of quick fast blasts that have come my way.
		Reichen in Toronto says, hey, Art, I've used psychic seduction methods for 19 years now.
		It's never failed me.
		It takes anywhere from one to ten weeks.
		You do a plan, daily visualizations, see, feel as if it happened, monitor change, maintain confident attitude always, practice to be a pro.
		So there's somebody who's flat out saying, yeah, you bet it works.
		And I've been using it.
		Frank in Los Angeles, though, says, tonight's spells are true.
		I have several women in love with me or under my control now.
		I've used those words for years.
		I, however, didn't really know it was witchcraft.
		I'm just Big Flirt.
		My question is, how do I free these women?
		I need help.
		Honest.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's your separation of ritual and your breakup ritual.
		You have to be careful what you ask for because you're going to get it.
		And to the first person that fast-blasted you, what is above, so be it below.
		And that's what he's practicing.
		Visualization becomes manifestation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And that's what he's been practicing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But when you say below, that sounds dark.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No, but meaning here on the physical plane.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		What is above in the ethereal or astral plane manifests on the physical plane?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Can a practitioner experience sexual satisfaction using astral projection?
		One of the reasons, I'll tell you, I have interviewed the very best people who do astral projection and tell us how to do it.
		They've come on with one-on-one courses, kind of like you're doing with witchcraft right now.
		And there's one area where I asked, and every time I got an affirmative, either a chuckle, a laugh, or your damn right art kind of answer, sure, you can have sex.
		You can leave your body and you can actually go have sex with another person in the physical plane.
		They say it's true, and you're going to tell me it's true.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's not only true, but it's also sinister because there are many people who do not wish it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's like rape.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is rape.
		They are being violated.
		They are being sexually abused and molested by people who have the discipline and the control of astroprojection.
		And to answer your question, yes, the practitioner can experience satisfaction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had a lot of women write to me, Evelyn, and I really mean this, who absolutely say they were raped.
		And I got responses that varied on the scale from terror and anger to I enjoyed it.
		I mean, I got all kinds of responses.
		I had no idea how to deal with these at all.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		The reason why is there's so many different variations.
		A practitioner is a person who's using astro projection.
		Another form of molestation on the ethereal could be a practitioner creating a familiar and sending it to the victim.
		Another is a doppelganger, which is a double of themselves.
		Man, that's only on this plane.
		What if you're getting into the incubus or the succubus, which is a spirit, an entity that preys and feeds upon a person, sexually arousing them, starting out quite quietly, innocently, and seductive, and then turning violent and constant, constant repetition because they need that sexual energy.
		They feed off of it.
		That is the true psychic vampire, honey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but how is this in any way different than rape?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It isn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It isn't.
		Right?
		It isn't.
		It's just a way of raping and not getting caught, more or less.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		These people out there, they don't know how to talk about it.
		How would you explain that you are being sexually molested, raped, and violated in the middle of the night by a spirit where you are being held down or you're paralyzed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you couldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no way.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Who do you talk to?
		How do you explain it to someone?
		That's why they don't come out.
		That's why I'm so happy that so many people responded to you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're going to get a lot of response to this.
		I absolutely guarantee, because there are women out there, a lot of them, Evelyn, who are being attacked in the manner we just described.
		And can you help them?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I can.
		Depending on who's doing it and what they're up against.
		If they're dealing with a spirit or an entity, an incubus or a succubus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, how do you find out what you're up against?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's why I have to talk to the person.
		I have to find out how it started.
		Is it someone that they know?
		Is it someone that they know as a practitioner?
		Or has this, like the one gentleman that I'm dealing with who's 57 years old, this came out of the blue.
		It's not something that he certainly was desirous of.
		And it is not a practitioner, but it is a succubus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But how do you figure that out, Evelyn?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you're being attacked and you don't know your attacker, how in the world, what do you ask the person to help determine what it is they're facing?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		The way it starts out, it will start out very seductive, very comforting, and then it increases not only in intensity and violence, but the occurrence.
		The person will feel utterly drained.
		It will be total exhaustion when they wake up in the morning.
		Many, many have had bruises and marks.
		Okay, so you know that you are not dealing with a person that is a practitioner using a familiar or a doppelganger.
		You are using, not using anything.
		You're into the spirit entity, incubus, succubus, or you're into the demons.
		The beings that are interdimensional, that exist on other planes of existence, that can pierce the veil, and they too need the sexual energy, which stimulates the pituitary glands, which stimulates what we call the kundalini force.
		And that is what they thrive upon.
		That is what they draw out of each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's where you're going to have to help me understand something.
		I was sort of joking about this in the first hour, but once you've left the physical, Evelyn, once you've left your body behind, then since sex is such a physical thing, it would be the one thing that you would think over on the other side, there just wouldn't be a lot of.
		And so from a spirit point of view or an entity point of view, something without a body, why and how does sex still enter into the equation at all?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Because it is a life force.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it is?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure it is.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		So therefore they need it to sustain themselves.
		That's why I said they feed upon it.
		It is their sustenance.
		So spirits will look for those individuals that they can stimulate and arouse and get to sexual orgasm because it feeds them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there are cases even of departed husbands or wives coming back to still have sex with their life mates?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		On occasion, but it's more if a departed mate comes to them.
		It is for comfort.
		It can turn subtly sexual.
		But normally, no.
		And something else, the dearly departed need sometimes to comfort and to touch, to sustain them because they have decided to stay earthbound.
		But there also is a game that is played out there, and the audience should be made aware, especially those in grief.
unidentified		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Because there are charlatans and there is chicanery out there, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure there is, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying there are a lot of people who play on the emotions of recently widowed, for example, that sort of thing.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		There are so-called trance mediums out there that for a fee will pretend that the spirit of that dearly departed loved one has entered them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a scam for you.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And they will service the individual for a fee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I get that.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And don't think it's not taking place because it is.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		In fact, long ago in Chicago, I busted an organization out there that had that part going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You busted them?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I called in the Bunko Squad and we busted them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So sometimes being a spiritual warrior actually eclipses the spiritual itself, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to actually go to the police.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And shut them down.
		Absolutely.
		Because they're charging thousands of dollars and they are trying to convince the grieving person that that spouse has entered into their body and they can have sexual comfort.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I will tell you, though, that again, going back to the email, so many women have been assaulted.
		So many, Evelyn.
		There's no law against it, is there?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Who's going to stop them?
		The only way to stop them Is a person who has knowledge.
		Either you're going to go up against a practitioner and put up a wall or a defense, or you're going to go after a spirit or an entity and you're going to use certain tools and certain herbs and essential oils and certain rituals in order to stop it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you know what those are?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It can be stopped.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is spiritual warfare, isn't it?
		I mean, outright warfare.
		You're in a direct conflict with a will.
		It's a battle of wills.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's a batter of wills, absolutely.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		They need this energy to sustain, and they will not give up lightly that victim.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How often do you have to become personally involved in a case like this?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Depending what I'm up against, many times I have to get involved personally.
		The individual that is the victim just doesn't have the knowledge, and I couldn't teach him fast enough.
		I can give them certain rituals to abate it or to have it lessen, but if the attack increases, then I've got to pull out the big guns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it normally these attacks that occur in the middle of the night, Evelyn?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they normally somebody who's astrally projecting, or would there be more spirits doing this?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It can be either or.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's why I said I'd have to talk to the person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, I've got that.
		But I mean, is there one that's predominant?
		More likely.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I've noticed of late, because always for tens of thousands of years, you have had the incubus, the succubus, and those beings and entities of other realms that have been doing this to people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		But I have noticed in the last 10, 8, 10 years an upswing in practitioners who are using any means, including astral projection, in order to sexually molest other people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		So it's like there's this entire world out there, Evelyn.
		Hold on.
		It's like there's this whole world out there, a sub-world, that we don't really know about.
		But it may affect us in an instant.
		May be affecting you or someone you know right now.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sex and the Supernatural.
		apparently they go together like the course And it's back into the nighttime.
		Evelyn, welcome back.
		I'm going to do this again because it's going to save me a whole lot of trouble.
		And there are going to be many, many, many, many, many people who want to get hold of you.
		So again, let's go over the best ways to do that.
		Or I'm going to be answering emails I don't want to answer.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, they can reach me at 818-407-1951.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Or they can reach Mystical Blend at 818-985-9935.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's the difference between reaching you and Mystical Blend?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, most people that will call Mystical Blend is for the products and information on how to use it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And for those who want to contact me, it's for a consultation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you say products, that's kind of like, I don't know, candles?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's the image candles because an awful lot of stores don't carry them.
		It's essential oils.
		It's also a free catalog that has the descriptions and how to use them so you can buy them in any metaphysical store in your area.
		For the snail mail people, let them please write me at Pagliny, P-A-G-L-I-N-I, at P-O-Box 57932, Sherman Oaks, California, 91413.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure when you do a program like this, you get totally blitzed, and it's probably hard to answer for a little while.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, please have patience.
		We'll try to return all phone calls.
		We will send out catalogs as soon as possible.
		And just have patience.
		I have a very small staff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, these well, they're hauntings in a way.
		I mean, they may be attacks, but they could also be called hauntings.
		Are they, if somebody's looking, if they're being attacked, for example, is it a spirit that's specifically after them most times, Evelyn?
		Or is it something that's inhabiting the residence that they happen to be renting or buying at the moment?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		If it is a sexual attack, it is the person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the person.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		If it is a haunting, meaning there is poltergeist going on, there is activity within the home, but it is not of a sexual nature, then it is the part of the haunting in the house.
		They may have a spirit or an entity that is residing there.
		But if it's sexual, no, it's the person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How often does the person who is attacked understand who they're being attacked by right away?
		I mean, when they come to you, for example, they say, well, look, I'm being attacked by so-and-so.
		They already know the identity of the person.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Very seldom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Unless they run in a group or society that are, let's say, practitioners among them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Then they could single out an individual.
		But most of the people that I'm hearing from know art.
		If it is a woman, it is usually an incubus.
		And if it is a man, it is a succubus.
		And these are beings.
		These are demons.
		And what they are after is, like I said, the life force.
		And they need the sexual energy and the release of it to get it.
		And it turns very violent and incessant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Incessant, yeah.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Incessant.
		See, it starts out very slowly.
		It can progress over many years, and then it becomes very violent and very incessant.
		The one man that I'm dealing with now is at it for over three years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard about it, and people chuckle about this kind of thing.
		But, you know, how do you impress people with the fact of, you know, how real this is?
		How do you...
		We'll do that.
		We'll do exactly that.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's how you convince the rest of the world.
		See, that's what their problem is.
		Who do they go to when this is happening to them?
		They're frightened, and yet they don't want to talk about it.
		A woman is ashamed to talk about it, and a man, I mean, that's even worse.
		How is he going to explain that this is happening to him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How is he?
		That's right.
		Well, he's not.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And so that's why it's secret.
		It's behind closed doors.
		It doesn't come out.
		People don't know about it.
		But by God, it's increasing, and somebody better start talking about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		And that's what we're doing for the first time.
		And so we'll do exactly that.
		Everybody who's calling now, and every line is lit.
		Just hang up.
		We're going to be after those who have been attacked sexually in the manner we've been describing tonight.
		That's exactly what I'm going to be looking for on the phone.
		So everybody else, just hang up, and we'll see.
		You'll see an example of what I got in the slamming my email box full every day with just one after another after another after another.
		So, yeah, we'll restrict it to that and we'll hear about it.
		And maybe that will help people understand how real this is.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, the proof is always in the pudding.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Let the audience talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's exactly right.
		So, again, back for a second to the ethics of all this.
		If somebody wanted to know how to have relations with another in the night by means of astral projection, and they came to you wanting to be able to do that, is it ethical to tell them how to do that?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No, they're going to find that out on their own because once you have the discipline and control of astral projection, you're going to test it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		See, the one thing about nature and humans is we like to play and we like to control and we like to manipulate and have power over others.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's a truth.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And it has been since the dawn of time.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		So when you have been given extra knowledge and extra power, it is your responsibility to stay in balance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you're going to play with it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		But you're going to play with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to do exactly what most humans do.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I played.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm being honest, not to that extent, but I played.
		I mean, I'm being honest.
		If you have the power, you're young, the hormones are raging, you're going to play.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And the person who says they're distant is a liar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, where were you when I was 17, damn it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I just draw the line.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You have to have balance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to go and violate someone.
		You are not going to take away their free will.
		To play is to play with a lover or a mate.
		That's play.
		But not this.
		This is sinister.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I can see so many doing it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, right.
		That's the dark side of magic art.
		And for the past seven years, every once in a while, we've opened up that portal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And again, not too many people admit it.
		I mean, most people just say there is no dark side.
		That's rubbish.
		But it's actually rubbish to say that.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You once, a long time ago, put out the call.
		You got me.
		And I always told you, Art, I would tell it to you like it is.
		And I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I've never let you down.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I tell it like it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in this whole thing, Evelyn, in compelling people, in influencing people, I just, I don't see How and where you draw the line between the ethical and the not ethical.
		I don't know if any of it's ethical.
		And I'm sure there are people who would say, as far as I'm concerned, none of it.
unidentified		If it's real, none of it's ethical.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		But again, if you're enhancing a relationship, it is ethical.
		You are the person who has to check your own soul and remain in balance.
		You know when you're doing wrong.
		You know when you're going outside of the norm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, Evelyn, there are those who would say anytime you interfere with free will, no matter how you may think it's a, you know, it's a positive thing, then there's going to be karmic repercussions from doing so.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You're correct if you are interfering with free will, not enhancing that which already is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's such a fine line, though.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
unidentified		Welcome to the club.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Power has a double-edged sword, and you must remain in balance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You even laugh like a witch, you know?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's easy to be good when you don't have the tools to do otherwise.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		What I do is I give you the tools, your path, you walk it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we all walk our own path in life, don't we?
unidentified		That's the way I was taught.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've noticed of late that people are off on the ragged edge more than ever before, Evelyn, over nearly everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, people just seem like they're more on the ragged edge.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm listening to a siren behind you right now.
		You've got a siren going down the street.
		Just a little dramatic effect.
		Everybody's on the ragged edge over something.
		Is there something in the air I should know about?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		We are in the countdown years.
		We know that.
		You see all of the elements I have been mentioning the last couple of times doing the shows, that they have been called into action, and that's why you are having the kind of catastrophic weather that we're seeing and will continue to see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Plenty of that.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And because there is this, and I know this sounds corny, but when we have a fight going on between good and evil, and the last vestiges of evil are hanging on by their claws, and so you're going to see more evil and more destruction in the world.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And those people who have this kind of knowledge and power of magic are going to use it very, very unwisely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You gave us an example of how you would attract somebody, whether they wanted it, perhaps or not.
		Give us an example, if you would, of how you'd stop somebody.
		If you were being attacked sexually, frequently, violently, how would you stop it?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Again, if I had more information, I could make it more specific right now.
		Just grab a right now, what I would say just to lessen it immediately is I would, first of all, get some either rose geranium or some rosemary essential oil, some protection oil.
		They can also use some five-finger grass and some bouldolies and some ivy.
		These are all protectants.
		They can use, believe it or not, some sea salt.
		Even saltpeter will do.
		If they can get them hands on some black salt, that would be excellent.
		If they can get, depending on their tradition and their belief, some holy water and sprinkle it around the bed.
		If they can use, what is very good is to take one of the essential oils I mentioned, to draw a circle and place a cross in the center, a four quadrant cross, on the headboard of the bed or on the wall behind it.
		And if they would state out loud and very firmly that there is no evil or negativity that can cross this barrier, and I mean with power and gusto, and then if they would square off the bed with what I had mentioned, either the sea salt, saltpeter, or black salt, an excellent silver sage would be good.
		That would do a cleansing of that environment, of that area, especially the bedroom, because they're being attacked at night when they are asleep.
		And so what you want to do is put up barriers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so this spirit or this whatever it is coming at you perhaps can't get across this barrier, can't get past this circle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it like a physical barrier to a spirit?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's an ethereal or astral barrier.
		And so what you're doing is almost putting up a repulsion.
		Now, also what is used are some of the gemstones like quartz crystal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Okay, your clear quartz crystal can be placed at the four corners of the bed.
		A larger one can be placed under the bed.
		But prior to doing that, I would first make sure that I either used one of those essential oils I had mentioned, which would be rose geranium, rosemary, or protection oil, because you want to program it for protection.
		It will absorb negativity.
		And especially if you have been under psychic attack, every three to four days, remove them and cleanse them in a wooden bowl with warm water and salt.
		That will remove the negativity, and then you can place them back again because they will absorb it, and you will see that they will start to become dull.
		And that's an excellent, beside the herbs that I had mentioned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea what it is in these agents that act in that very powerful way to protect you?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It is a vibration and an energy that it gets off.
		That's why when you study nature and the elements, when you get into essential oils and gums and resins and woods, you are able to put around you influences or barriers In order to protect you.
		Now, sometimes they will lessen what is coming.
		Sometimes they will obliterate it completely.
		Depending on who you are, what you're doing.
		Did you set up a firewall?
		Did you set up a mirror?
		Did you set up, you know, a boomerang?
		I don't know who the person is and what their background is.
		And that's why I try to teach as much as I can to give them that knowledge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		By the way, do you teach any classes in all of this?
		Any formal classes?
		Do you ever do that sort of thing or what?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Once in a while, but what I have now, so I can reach as many people as possible, is I have some of my courses on cassette tape and CD.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And I'll tell you quite honestly, the Day of Magic, which is a four-hour crash course, will give a lot of people the basic foundation of meditation, visualization, as well as psychology of color, candle burning, imitative, and sympathetic magic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the Day of Magic?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's a four-hour crash course in the craft.
		And then they get into the introduction to ritual.
		Then we're going to call down the elements, and then we're going to understand about moon magic and the goddess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it comes in what form?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		In a cassette tape or a CD.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or a CD.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's in my catalog, and it's also on mysticalblend.com website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And once a person implements what's on that tape or CD, what would they be able to do?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I have put so much power into people's hands in the last seven years from your audience.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You should ask them to write you.
unidentified		I have a lot of success going on out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I do a lot of interviews.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You know what I love about it, Art?
unidentified		I've given the power to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, I do remote viewers.
		I interview a lot of remote viewers, and I ask them the same question about putting this ability out to the general public.
		they have some concerns.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		They're not going to someone else and hoping to God they'll do it for them.
		They are empowering them themselves.
		And they are learning how to achieve goals as well as to block negativity.
		And it's free.
		It belongs to all of us.
		But again, knowledge is power.
		You have to stay in balance.
		And I keep saying it.
		You're going to get tested.
		Don't think you won't.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does the average person...
		Is the average person going to be able to relate to this?
		Only the very few?
		How frequent is it?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		The incubus and succubus level, again, has reached epic proportions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Epidemic proportions.
		Epic or epidemic or both, I guess.
		Both.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Epic and epidemic proportions.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And those people who have been psychically attacked as far as astral projection or by other means, like a familiar or a doppelganger, are even in the more larger numbers.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Millions.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Millions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then hold on.
		We're near the top of the hour, Evelyn.
		So hold tight and take a little bit of a break.
		And what I am going to do is I am going to ask the audience to please, as Evelyn suggested, so that you might understand how real this is, I'm going to restrict the phone lines to those who have been attacked, whether it's current or it's in the past or whatever.
		But if you have actually been attacked in the manner that we have been discussing tonight, I want to hear from you.
		Otherwise, just sit back and listen.
		We'll recite the phone numbers for you when we come back and we'll open the lines.
		And it should be something.
unidentified		It's been a too long time with no peace of mind.
unidentified		And I'm ready for the tasks to get better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, me too.
		You know that voice, don't you?
		That's Crystal.
unidentified		From the high desert, this is Coast to Coast AM.
		Sign up for Streamlink at www.coastocoastam.com.
		And you can hear tonight's show over and over and over.
		But to tell you, I've been wrapping my brain.
		Hoping to find a way out.
		I've had enough of this continuum.
		Changes are coming.
		Changes are coming.
		If you could read my mind, love what a tale my thoughts could tell.
		Just like an old-time movie, how a ghost will wish you well.
		In a castle dark or a fortress strong, with chains upon my feet.
		You know that ghost is me.
		And I will never be set free.
		Long as I'm a ghost you can see.
		If I could read your mind, love, what a dear thoughts could tell.
		Just like a paper back, the diary drugs don't tell.
		When you reach the part where the heartaches come, the hero would be hero of the day.
		You won't be that forgive because the heart of death incredible to me what music can do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just incredible.
		I'm Mark Ball and this is Coast to Coast.
		I am with me tonight, Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
		She's a witch.
unidentified		I walk away like a movie star who gets burned in a three-way street into number two.
		A movie queen to play the scene, bringing all the good things out in me.
		But for now, let's be real.
		I never thought I could act this way, and I've got to say that I just don't get it.
		I don't know where we went wrong, but the feeling's gone, and I just can't get it back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or maybe you can.
unidentified		To talk with Art Bell, call the wildcard line at area code 775-727-1295.
		The first-time caller line is area code 775-727-1222.
		To talk with Art Bell from east of the Rockies, call toll-free at 800-825-5033.
		From west of the Rockies, call 800-618-8255.
		International callers may reach ART by calling your in-country sprint access number, pressing option 5, and dialing toll-free 800-893-0903.
		From coast to coast and worldwide on the internet, this is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it's your turn coming up with Dr. Evelyn Paglini, and just because we want to do it, we're asking those of you who have experienced a psychic sexual attack of this sort to call, and everybody else kind of sit back and listen, because that's exactly where we're headed next.
unidentified		Screams
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The past blasts are coming in, millions of them.
		I'm never going to be able to get to all of them, so I certainly apologize for that.
		Evelyn, if you're ready, we've got a lot of people on the phone.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'm ready.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's do it.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		I'm the girl that spoke with you and Art a couple years ago, and I was being attacked not just by one, but up to 15 at a time.
		You sent me some stuff in the mail, in which I did.
		I had so much fear at the time that this was happening.
		And I went and I followed what you had suggested for me to do.
		And as I called you along the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I remember your call.
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		Oh, it was horrible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you got help.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got help from Evelyn.
unidentified		I got help from Evelyn.
		Oh, you betcha.
		Oh, you betcha.
		You know, I mean, and she took my calls in the middle of the night, me just hysterical about it.
		They weren't only attacking me at night, they were attacking me also during the daytime.
		And finally, after the help that I got with Evelyn, and I finally said to myself, you know what, I've got to get over this fear.
		I have got to let this fear go, and they are feeding off of this.
		I am making them stronger from this fear.
		And I put a different pair of shoes on, and I just got mad, and I said, you know what?
		This stops right here.
		And I got back in their face with it.
		And that was what helped me a lot with it also, too, is I lost the fear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it was a loss of fear or do you think it was your extreme will?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because you obviously had, you know, sort of mustered up a lot of obvious will there.
unidentified		Oh, you betcha.
		I mean, it was a choice.
		It was either or sit back and be a victim of this or, you know, believe in my faith that I had, you know, listen to Evelyn because she's just amazing.
		She's absolutely amazing in what she does.
		I knew she knew what she was talking about.
		I knew that if I was going to listen to anybody, I listened to her with this, and this was going to get me through it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure the world is going to think this is a setup, and it totally is.
unidentified		And we all know that there's reasons for everything.
		And for me to get through the first-time caller, especially because I heard you say in the very beginning of the program that a caller had called you a couple years ago regarding this, and that was me.
		And I've been waiting all night long, and I knew I was going to get through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's incredible, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By itself, it's incredible that you would get here and get here first on top of everything else with millions of people.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		That is amazing.
		So anyway, you've stopped the attacks.
unidentified		The attacks have stopped.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're getting a good night's sleep.
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what to add to that, Evelyn.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'm very proud of her.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		What she has done has taken back her power.
unidentified		Absolutely.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And she has learned how to face evil and face it down.
unidentified		Oh, you betcha.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And now it's opened up a brand new world for her because she says, if this works, then if I learn more, I can do more.
unidentified		Absolutely.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And so even though I may be the last resort, now the world is hers.
		And no one could take it from her.
		What she learns belongs to her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you feel that way?
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		It didn't stop the visitations.
		I mean, I still have, you know, I mean, my bad week is about 100 or maybe less, a little bit less, of spirits from all around the world, I get.
		But the negative ones do not come near me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, my testimonial, I guess.
		All right.
		Thank you very much for that.
unidentified		Thank you, both of you, for bringing up the subject and for giving people the opportunity to speak about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody else will talk about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you that.
unidentified		Well, there's health out there and there's willpower out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks.
unidentified		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Take care.
		It's right.
		Amazing.
		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Evelyn Paglini.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir?
unidentified		Art?
		Okay.
		Can I talk to you just for a second before I talk to Evelyn?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air, sir.
unidentified		Okay, Evelyn, I have been dealing with a very demonic spirit that came into my life a while ago.
unidentified		It's taken me four days to get through the line because either it would hang, the line would hang up at me, or art would, well, anyway, my question is that I got this thing under control because I was actually pulled out of my body and saw what I was doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got what thing under control?
unidentified		Well, I was manifesting storms, believe it or not.
		I had my neighbors on my roof.
		I had my friends, I had witnesses, and I could control the weather in a way.
		And it happened every night.
		A cold breeze would go through, and about 3 o'clock it would start, and I played with it.
		And I can see why the Bible talks about the angels falling, because...
		Oh, yeah, I had witnesses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I opened this line, sir, for people who were attacked by something.
unidentified		I was attacked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what way?
unidentified		Well, I was attacked by this thing taking me over.
unidentified		It took possession of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And made you do these things.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		And I was actually physically pulled out of my body, showed what I was doing, and I was warned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Evelyn, all right, that brings up something I want to talk about with you.
		And it doesn't necessarily reflect individually on that man, but it bears asking.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are people who are disturbed, Evelyn, who think that, you know, they get the God complex.
		It's a common psychological difficulty.
		And they're mentally disturbed.
		And so how do you, in the world, do you delineate between those who are mentally disturbed, I'm not saying whether that man was or wasn't, and those who are under some sort of psychic attack?
		How do you know?
		Because they, frankly, they sound, they're going to sound somewhat similar.
		They're going to both be very convinced that they're being attacked.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And if they are being attacked, they are going to give me a description, and they're going to give me telltale signs, and they will have telltale signs of an actual attack by an incubus or a succubus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how often does it turn out to be the case that the person is in some way mentally affected and not really under a psychic attack?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Quite honestly, I would have to say less than 40%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		I'm always asking for numbers.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I would have to say less than 40%.
unidentified		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
		Hello.
		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
unidentified		Oh, hi.
		Yes, I was listening to your show tonight, and I just think it's a wonderful thing, what you're talking about.
		And I have experienced a sexual psychic attack, as Dr. Polini described.
		And I experienced it about 20 years ago.
		At the time, I didn't even realize what was happening to me.
		I knew that at that time, I was experimenting a lot with astroprojection in my sleep and doing a lot of just kind of dabbing into the occult.
		And I guess I didn't realize how vulnerable I was.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		well that in itself is a good question and when a few She was on the astroplane, met other people on the astroplane, and became vulnerable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the moment you open that door, don't be surprised somebody comes through.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's why training is necessary, not dabbling.
unidentified		Exactly.
		And I have to say, and I didn't even realize, but I knew that something was happening to me sexually.
		You know, I would wake up, like she said, I would wake up.
		I would be drained.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I was confused, exhausted, drained.
unidentified		Confused, exhausted.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Out of context.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's like the body and the mind are not connected.
unidentified		Exactly.
		You got it.
		Exactly.
		And what really, and I had a lot of spiritual, I have a lot of friends who were not necessarily in the cult, but very spiritually knowledgeable.
		And I had a friend of mine came over one day, and she told me she had this dream about me.
		And she said that she had seen me on a stage, and she had seen this black thing come up towards me, and it was entering me sexually, it was penetrating me sexually.
		And I knew at the minute that she said that whatever was going on with me was really happening because we were very close and I was terrified.
		And so I went to some other people who were very knowledgeable about this stuff, and they explained to me that nothing could come into my realm if I didn't allow it to, and that I really needed to confront this thing and tell it to go away, and that it had no business coming near me.
		And so for about a week, I did this.
		Every night I would just stay awake and tell this thing, leave me alone, because I knew something was going on.
		And it stopped.
		But I mean, I literally got out of my bed one night.
		I mean, I could hear, I actually heard voices in my house calling my name.
		And I literally jumped out of my bed and told it to get the hell out of my house and to stay away from me.
		That I was, you know, go back to where you're compelled because you're not welcome here.
		And it left.
		And I haven't been bothered with that kind of thing since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's just pure projection of willpower, Evelyn, right?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		But I think it's very important what Evelyn's been saying tonight because I think just by the fact that I became conscious of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious, what do you say?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And you had validation because your close friend in dream got a message to let you know that you were being psychically attacked.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And so Therefore, you got fortified because you got validated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		Because I knew something.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Empowerment, honey.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Empowerment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you say, young lady, to all the people out there who think this is bunk?
		You know, that there's no such thing as attacks of this kind.
		It's all in your head.
unidentified		Oh, I know there is.
		I have been attacked many times, and I know there is.
		And I think, I don't know, people like to stay in denial.
		They don't like to think that there's something bigger than themselves out there.
		They like to think they're always in control.
		But we're not.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Will you answer one question for me?
unidentified		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Please let those people know out there, men and women, you did not ask for this.
		You did not attract this.
		You did not invite this.
unidentified		You did not will it to come to you.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Because, see, that's what most of the people out there face when they're trying to explain it to someone else.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		They say, well, you must have invited it.
unidentified		Yes, you're right.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You must have attracted it, did you?
unidentified		No, this is not something I was looking for.
		No one would.
		I was just trying to develop myself psychically because I do have some psychic abilities.
		And you're right.
		I should have been around somebody who knew a lot more and who could have guided me through the disciples.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		More guidance and more discipline.
		They seek out those who are sensitive and those who are highly sexual.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very, very much.
		Take care.
		That's really interesting.
		And, you know, the fact that she had this reinforcement from a friend who actually saw it, that must have meant so much.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's the validation.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's the empowerment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		That must have meant a lot.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I was just looking through a 1975 double-day publication of the People's Almanac.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And in it, they were talking about astral projection.
		A section there talks about out-of-body experience.
		And this relates directly to my past experience.
		It says here, many people believe that astral projection during sleep is normal, though unremembered, and that floating or falling dreams can be converted to true OBEs by programming the mind beforehand.
		Well, I had a situation that happened seven years ago up here in the Northwest, and I was living with this woman who was involved with an environmentalist activist group, and she invited me to share a room at her place.
		She was a single mother, and she was involved in witchcraft, although I didn't know it at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I ended up living there for a few months, and because of what happened, I ended up moving out much earlier than I anticipated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened?
unidentified		Well, she brought a woman back from one of the islands up here who's half Japanese and half native.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And they came back from what they called was a women's camp and ended up being a witch's camp.
		And as the evening progressed, she was packing up some of her gear and she asked if she could borrow my soap and shampoo, being a traveler that she was.
		So I went to bed, thinking nothing of it and figuring she'd give me back whatever I have before she leaves in the morning.
		And I ended up having a really strange sensation where I thought it was a dream, but it didn't seem like a dream, where I was floating, I was on my stomach, and I was up in the air and looking down.
		And then all of a sudden I felt this arm come over my right shoulder from the back and turn me over.
		And it was her.
		And the next thing you know, she's laying down on the ground and I'm on top of her.
		And it's a totally sexual experience and I wasn't attracted to her at all.
		And the next thing you know, I'm essentially a zombie caressing her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well then those things that she took from you, the soap, the shampoo, those things, the familiar things, does that make sense, Evelyn?
unidentified		Oh, yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Very much so.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Imitative, sympathetic manager had it right there.
unidentified		The big problem was that I had a hard time trying to figure out what on earth happened until I decided just to lay quiet and act as if I wasn't in the room.
		And sure enough, in the morning, they had slept in the same bed in my roommate's bedroom.
		And I could hear this conversation, whispering, trying to suppress it, and then laughing, tackling, actually.
		And then my roommate saying, I can't believe you did that.
		I can't believe you did it.
		And then sure enough, after that progressed, you know, for 30 minutes or whatever, they came out later thinking I was gone.
		And they talked about the whole situation.
		And I thought, wow, do I ever need a tape recorder?
		No one's going to believe this.
		And they're going to deny it.
		He said exactly verbatim what went on.
		And my roommate kept saying she couldn't believe it, you know, that she did that.
		And I kept bad vibing to go.
		I couldn't believe it.
		And I acted as if I wasn't there.
		And sure enough, I came out finally when she had gone, talked to my roommate about the situation.
		And I said, I can't believe this has happened to me.
		I don't quite understand now that I've heard what's gone on, there's no denying.
		And I said, I would never do anything like this to you or cause any harm to you.
		I can't believe you've done this to me or allowed this to happen.
		And because I spoke from the heart, she broke down right then and there.
		And then when she finally gathered her composure, she opened up some of the books that she was quite aware of for years and showed me various ways of protecting myself and certain things to wear according to my ethnic background and whatnot.
		And then later on, she tried to get me involved in her circle.
		And I remember she had me stay outside for about an hour.
		Like I went off and went to a cafe when she had some people over from another city that were doing some sort of a ritual energy into a bowl.
		Sir, sir.
		Hello.
		Wait, stop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, pause.
		We're at a breakpoint.
		Can you hold on?
		All right.
		Stay right there.
		Fascinating calls.
		Absolutely fascinating.
		Dr. Evelyn Paglini is my guest.
		We're talking about sex and witchcraft.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell.
		Darling, don't say a word, cause I already heard what you're finding.
		I'm sorry.
		I'm sorry.
		If you think about me once upon a time, you're a wonderless dream.
		Oh, my God.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed, and this is one very, very hot topic in more ways than one, I'll tell you.
		Dr. Evelyn Paglini is my guest.
		We're restricting the phone calls to only those of you who have been attacked in the manner we've been discussing tonight.
		Now, I have been getting so many of the lines that I picked up have been from people just wanting her number.
		So we're going to give out the number again in a moment.
		Please do me a favor.
		Get out a paper and a pencil if you want a contact number, and we'll get back to you in a moment.
		coming right up Back into the night, in more ways than one.
		My guest is Dr. Evelyn Pagleini.
		She is a witch.
		And so that there is no mistaking it, everybody's got their pens and their pads ready.
		I want to give out these contact phone numbers again.
		And Evelyn, with regard to the one to contact you that we're about to give out, what would be the best hours for that?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Tomorrow starting about 8.30 in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		night's sleep alright and that number is 818-407-1951 That should be clear enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And for Magical Blend, which is your company, I guess it supplies.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's Mystical Blend, and that number is 818-985-9935.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And that's where they can get a free catalog, or they can order the essential oils or candles and other tools that will assist them in achieving their goals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In these rituals, in these spells, some of these things that you might need just might not be available at the local candle store.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		And so therefore you can get them through us.
		But the reason why I put it together is really for people to know it and understand it and be able to go anywhere and buy it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		All right.
		The gentleman who was on prior to the half-hour break, you're back on, sir, but we don't have a lot of time.
unidentified		I just thought I'd mention something else that I tried to find earlier on the People's Almanac under Nine Rules of Superstitious Etiquette.
		And they talk about the superstitious baker's dozen.
		Cornelius Vanderbilt had the legs of his bed placed in dishes of salt to ward off attacks from evil spirits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there you are, Evelyn.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		So that's why I said if they can't get sea salt, they can even use saltpeter and then even black salt.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		There are different lines of defense, but all of which are very protective, including the herbs I mentioned.
unidentified		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You're on the air coast to coast AM with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		How are you doing, Art?
		And how are you doing, Dr. Evelyn?
		I appreciate you taking my phone call.
		I wanted to say, Art, that you're playing great music tonight.
		Thank you.
		I have been attacked.
		It's been going on for a long time, probably for as long as I can remember.
		And I come to find out that I went to a psychic and she told me that it's a spirit or an entity that's been following me around for a few lifetimes.
		And that this person actually had me killed.
		He was a rich and wealthy man and had me killed because I wouldn't take up with him.
		I was married and I wouldn't take up with him, so he had me beheaded.
		This is back like in the Musketeer days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he's been after you ever since?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Evelyn, does it move through lifetimes?
unidentified		He's obsessed with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does it move through lifetimes like that, Evelyn?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it can.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Remember when I told you that there is a ritual that you can do to bind a person to you forever?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Whether they want to or not, there is a ritual like that.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And yes, she can be followed throughout reincarnations by a particular spirit or entity.
unidentified		And I heard he tried to get, you know, he tried to get reborn at the same time I was being reborn so that he could involve himself in my life, and the higher powers wouldn't allow it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, he'll keep trying.
unidentified		I'm getting tingles all over.
		I mean, I can feel it right now.
		And I've had occurrences in my house that always happen between 12 and 4.
		Of course.
		And problems with my electricity, I have to change my light bulbs pretty much every week and something going on.
		But I've gotten it down to where it's not happening in my bedroom anymore.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, keep doing a cleansing of your environment and keep putting up shields of protection and barriers across the threshold as well as across the bed.
unidentified		I'm going to feel that my body as well, like the other caller was stating.
		So that happens.
		And I don't know what comes first, you know, the spirit trying to get to you or the interest in astral travel, you know?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, if it is happening at night, they have to get at you.
		And if you put up barriers, then you're going to either lessen or completely diffuse that part of it.
		If they're attacking you elsewhere during the day, then you're going to have to come up with other means.
unidentified		Right.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's why I need to talk to the person, because I can't design something for you unless I know all the particulars.
unidentified		I mean, my children have seen the entity during the day.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Cleanse the environment immediately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we're going to have to keep moving.
		So many calls, so little time.
		First time, caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Piglini.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Dr. Piglini.
		Hi.
		My name is Kathy, and I'm from Eagle River, Alaska.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Kathy.
unidentified		Very quickly, I had a near-death experience.
		I was diagnosed with breast cancer, told to go home, get ready to die, did eight chemo drugs.
		Have always, all of my life, been in tune with things.
		Since I finished the chemo, I'm into menopause, and my feelings and insight have been tremendously higher.
		I never astroplaned before less than a month ago.
		Well, not that I knew it was astroplaning, let's put it that way.
		The other night, I astroprojected and was gone.
		I mean, I went out the top of my head and went somewhere else.
		Actually, I was at a casino.
		But anyway, what happened was my husband inadvertently woke me up.
		And so I got sucked back really fast.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And hard, yeah.
unidentified		Oh, really hard.
		I had a headache like hell for a few days.
		But since then, when I'm slumbering, because I am still weak from the chemo, I have someone or something, and it's a child.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A child.
unidentified		Yeah, a child.
		Because it says, mama, mama, and it touches me.
		And it's right in that.
		I'm one of those people that if I lay down and close my eyes, I'm immediately dreaming.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It may not be a child.
unidentified		No, it's a child.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It may not be a child.
unidentified		Okay.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		If it continues, watch the way it progresses.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		If it progresses and it starts to turn sinister, and believe me, your own psyche, your own radar will let you know, your own body.
unidentified		That's why I say it's a child, because it feels like a child.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She's just warning you if it goes to another stage.
unidentified		I know how to do a binding spell, and I know how to...
		I didn't know that's what it was, but that's what I've been told it is.
		And so what I've thought about doing is just, you know, offering this person a way to go.
		And then if that doesn't work, I thought about binding it.
		The problem with binding is don't you take a piece of that to you also?
		Don't you tie yourself up in that process?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you've taken on the action.
unidentified		Right, exactly.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Be very careful.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to talk to you personally.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you get the numbers?
unidentified		My husband did, yeah.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Just remind me that we talked on air and I would like to discuss it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to hear a bit more about what you are feeling and what it is presenting to you in Image.
unidentified		See, that's the thing.
		It's behind me.
		Always.
		It always touches my back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, we've got to run, honey.
unidentified		Sorry, hey, listen, you know what?
unidentified		The only other thing I wanted to say is you guys are awesome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Don't ever let them shut you down and we love you from Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		We're just doing as many as we can.
		While, Carline, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Peglini.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		This is Christina from Albuquerque, New Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Christina.
unidentified		Hi.
		I'm scared.
		And I was married before, and I've been divorced from this person since 1989.
		However, he vowed to always interfere with my financial, romantic, emotional, all parts of my life.
		And I have to say a little bit more.
		I was a twin, but my mother didn't want children.
		And she successfully aborted my twin, but not me.
		And I've been able to do out of body since I was 12 or 15 months old because she was kind of cruel to me.
		And I just would stare off into space, and then I'd be above her and me, and it all looked ridiculous.
		However, this person that I was married to vowed to fight me for the rest.
		And I don't participate in the fight, but sometimes even my dreams, and I can't say that it's necessarily sexual, it's about power.
		It's about owning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		No, I think I've got the picture.
		Can she fight this, Evelyn?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		How strong a practitioner is he?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Apparently, I'm sorry, she's gone, but apparently pretty strong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She can, there is a way to fight it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Consultation.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is my cup of tea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Yeah, obviously.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Dr. Pegwini.
		Hello.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, hello?
unidentified		Hi, okay.
unidentified		My name is Bob from New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bob.
unidentified		Hi.
		My experience is it happened right after a sexual encounter with a woman.
		Right after an orgasm, I had a strange desire to look upwards, and I did that.
		And at that moment, I had the feeling of air being sucked out of my body when, say, when you're hit in the stomach, the air is knocked out of you, except, you know, I wasn't, she didn't hit me in the stomach.
		That didn't happen, but I had that feeling.
		And then the emotional feeling, the best way I can describe it is a shift in polarity in my body throughout my whole body.
		That's the best way I could describe it.
		I don't know how else to get back to her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the punch in the stomach is certainly graphic.
		I had those when I was a kid, and all the air is gone, and you can't take any air in, and it's extremely frightening.
		And you had that.
unidentified		Right.
		So, I mean, I felt this physical and psychic experience that, you know, like I said, this complete shift in polarities, the only way I can describe it.
		And I just wanted to ask her if she could make sense out of this experience for me.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Was this an entity that you saw above you, or was it connected to the person you were with?
unidentified		Well, I didn't see anything.
		It was just these were all feelings in my body.
		I didn't see any entity or anything like that.
		This was just these feelings that happened to me right after this sexual experience.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, all I could tell you is that you had to have had an entity or a spirit that took advantage.
		And what they did is they took the life force.
		That's why the hit in the qi, in the solar plexus, correct?
unidentified		Well, it was an expelling of air through my body, life being hit in the stomach, but I wasn't hit in the stomach.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand that.
unidentified		The air being sucked out with a vacuum cleaner.
unidentified		Right.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And it comes from the qi force, which is your solar plexus right above the belly button.
unidentified		Right, right.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's, like I said, the feeding of energy.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And they need the sexual release or the sexual orgasm in order to get the heightened power of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It seems like it's all...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's that energy, that orgasmic energy.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That is released.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they take that, they steal that from you?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That is their life force, their sustenance.
		That's why you're so drained afterwards.
		That's why you're so confused and disconnected and listless.
		And like I said, the more they get of you, the more they want, it becomes incessant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air with Dr. Paglini.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Yes, hello, Evelyn.
		I just wanted to say that I've also had the experience of being sexually exploited right after I had a Kundalini awakening a couple years ago.
		And I think you're right, it does happen when you have an awakening like that.
		They feed off that.
		And frankly, I was able to just stop it by saying, you know, protecting my energy and refusing any more occurrences.
		And that was over 17 years ago.
		So I think I would just like to suggest that people can really do this on their own, and they don't have to be victims of this at all on any level.
		The other thing I would like to ask you, though, is Art keeps asking about the ethics of this.
		And I know you don't want to say, I know, I can hear.
		You don't want to say there's anything right or wrong.
		So we get rid of that concept.
		We just say, what about the karma of this?
		There are karmic fingerprints all over this.
		If you supposedly go out to attain your goals of seducing somebody who might not really even want you in their life.
		What is the effect of that?
		I've never wanted to pursue this, even though I know a lot of magic partitioners, because I just thought it was not really quite kosher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the natural effect of evaluation?
unidentified		And what's the outcome of that payback?
		Yeah.
		Well, what is it?
		And aren't you, in fact, I mean, you're giving this information to people who will use it for selfish reasons, not just spiritual warriors.
		I mean, let's face it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, we are, but I'm also putting enough power into the right hand so that they can not be a victim anymore.
unidentified		But what about that?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You need to make them aware that it doesn't matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see if we can answer your question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are the likely or typical karmic repercussions from this?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Depending on the person, how long they've done it, how many incarnations they've done it, they will pay.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Remember, it is the absence of good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Typically, in what way, though?
		I mean, what might be a karmic repercussion?
		Give me an example.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		They may, in another lifetime, pay a very serious debt, either on a physical or an emotional level.
		They may be put through horrendous experiments.
		I have no idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you know we're talking about people in this life who really don't care about running their credit cards up in this life all the way to the max so It pays.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It has something to do with the soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure, but still, if it's in the next life, trust me, a lot of people are going to say charge it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that is the choice they make, and that's why it's so difficult to remain in balance when you gain knowledge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's something that's always concerned me about the whole karma thing, is that it's just so easy to run up the karmic credit card, you know, because it's going to be the next life or the one after that.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And therefore you never ascend.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You will have the absence of grace within you and the absence of the light of God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Call it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Because you have chosen to continue to walk the dark side.
unidentified		The problem I see with it is that you're right, you know, we don't have the concept of karma in the society, and people will just say, well, I don't believe that, or, you know, I'll do it anyway and pay later.
unidentified		And I think it's somewhat dangerous just to be, you know, letting this information be accessible to people who might not use it for this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, hold on, hold on.
		I do understand what she's saying.
		Most people don't know this from Shinola, hun.
		So, you know, we're giving people a way to have a defense Who otherwise wouldn't even know what's happening to them.
unidentified		Okay, that's a good point.
		And people should be aware that they don't have to go to Evelyn either to block them.
		They can do this on their own.
		You know, I'd hate to see people feeling further victimized and need Evelyn to help them.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's why I've said, honey, that's why I give out the knowledge.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's why I teach the knowledge so that they don't have to come to me.
unidentified		Okay.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		So that they empower themselves.
unidentified		That's the whole idea of the people.
unidentified		People who would use it for negative purposes, though.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That is always going to be.
unidentified		Yeah, I suppose that that's the world we live in, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the world we live in is absolutely right, yes.
		All right.
		Well, listen, thank you very much for the call.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They have been terrific calls.
		It has been a terrific program, Evelyn.
		Absolutely terrific.
		And I'm sure you helped a lot of people.
		And I'll do this one last time, again, for my protection more than any other.
		The way to get hold of you, two phone numbers, one to get hold of you directly, but hopefully after 8 o'clock in the morning is area code 818-407-1951.
		818-407-1951.
		Or for Magical Blend, it's 818-985-9935.
		Thank you, Evelyn.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome, and good night, sweetie pipe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Evelyn.
		All right, folks.
		That'll do it.
		That's it for the weekend.
		Man, what a weekend.
		What a weekend indeed.
		It has been my honor to be here.
		Y'all, take care.
		This is that sweetheart named Crystal, who has the right words always to take us out of here.
		Good night, y'all.
		Good night, Crystal.
unidentified		Good night in the desert, shooting stars across the sky.
		This magical journey will take us on a ride.
		Filled with the longing, searching for the truth.
		But we make it to tomorrow when the sun shines on you.

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