Robert Felix, author of Not by Fire but by Ice, argues ice ages begin every ~11,500 years due to Earth’s axial precession and underwater volcanic activity like the 1,800-km Gakel Ridge in the Arctic or Deception Island in Antarctica, not human-caused warming. Melting floating glaciers (e.g., Greenland) could disrupt the Atlantic conveyor belt within three years, plunging U.S./Europe winters into 5–10°C drops, while inland ice sheets (Norway, Canada) grow—threatening agriculture and societal collapse before cooling. Yellowstone’s supervolcano, with a 52-mile-wide caldera rising 29 inches since 1923, could trigger a 20°C global temperature drop in weeks if it erupted, blocking sunlight and causing mass starvation. Felix warns of rapid shifts, like the Emian period ending in under 10 years, urging NASA to study El Niño’s heat source next cycle while advocating gradual food stockpiling and relocation—suggesting civilization’s survival hinges on recognizing cyclical, not linear, climate threats. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert of the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whatever the case may be, in whatever time zone you reside in.
So many of them out there, and every single one of them covered by this program, Coast to Coast AM weekend version.
I'm Art Bell and honored to be here with you through the weekend for whatever develops.
And it will be one of those kinds weekends for this hour.
It's devoted entirely to open screen.
Unlined, no net phone calls.
We just pick it up and do it.
So numbers are a little different on the weekend.
You might recall your list if you have one and if not wait for the wait for the bottom of the yard.
We'll spew the numbers for it.
Well, what an incredible week it has been for Ramona and myself.
We took off for New York City last weekend, and of course I wasn't here as you know, we took off for New York City and on Monday at the New York Museum of Natural History we went to the screen debut the premiere of the day after tomorrow, which as you know is a movie ripping them up out there, I might add.
I saw something indicating it's projecting a $100 million weekend.
A $100 million weekend.
Can you imagine that?
Anyway, we got to go, and it was really cool at the Museum of Natural History outside.
They had snow coming down.
It was incredible.
I mean, they had a machine making snow so that all the reporters there and all the dignitaries, you know, New York City politicians and the stars of the movie and everybody would get snowed on whilst they waited outside.
It was very effective.
And I took a photo.
Well, actually, Ramona took a photograph waiting to get in.
Guess who I should be next to?
But one of the stars of the movie, Jake Dylan Hall.
And so you'll see me with Jake.
If you have seen the movie, then you will instantly recognize his face, or you may from elsewhere.
I don't know.
But that's on my webcam tonight.
If you go to www.coastocoastam.com in the upper left-hand corner, it'll say Arts Webcam.
Click on that.
And if you look carefully, you'll see some little flakes of, well, not snow, what was meant to be snow, and it certainly looked like it.
I actually don't know what it was.
It may have been some sort of polymer or some I don't know.
I have no idea what it was, but it was very effectively, it was certainly kind of like snow, whatever it was.
And it was coming down on all of us.
And then, of course, we all marched inside and went to the premiere.
And, oh, my God.
I told you, I told you that if you had seen 10.5 on television about the earthquake, this would make that look like a Sunday picnic.
This is from a scientist, a fellow named Monty J. Edwards II, who says, Dear Art, I am a scientist, physical chemistry at Marshall University, and recently read your book, The Coming Global Superstorm.
I wanted to inform you how much of an impact this book has had on my view of atmospheric chemistry in the last week.
I found it insightful, concise, but more importantly, very powerful.
It is unfortunate that more mainstream scientists are willing to look in The opposite direction on this issue.
Our very survival as a species is depending on a solution.
I only wish that I would have read the book earlier.
Thank you for excellence in broadcasting.
Keep up.
The good work.
Monty J. Edwards II.
So there you have it.
The motion picture based on that book raging through this weekend.
You can see it at a local theater.
God, the special effects.
Just incredible.
a moment we'll review some of the rest of the world you you you you Thank you.
You ever wonder about the news?
I do a lot.
I wonder about it.
I mean, I'm about to read you and sort of skim through the headlines with you a little bit, but it's never good.
The news is never good.
Has that ever occurred to you?
Surely there must be good things that happen out there, right?
But they don't get in the news.
The news is always 100% assuredly bad.
Now, why is that?
Why is really good news not newsworthy?
But really bad news, in fact, the worse it gets, the better, right?
Is it something about if it bleeds, it leads?
It leads.
Gunmen killed 10 in Saudi housing compound.
It's typical, right?
Is suspected Islamic militants wearing military-style uniforms sprayed gunfire inside two office compounds in the heart of the Saudi oil region Saturday, killing at least 10, including, by the way, an American.
Let's see, intelligence agents encouraged abuse.
Well, now, it's beginning to look as if it was not just a few isolated incidents of guards gone wild or something like that.
It looks as though this does indeed go up the chain much as they may have tried to prevent that from occurring.
Now the news is showing clearly that it does go up the chain.
Several U.S. guards allege they witnessed military intelligence operatives encouraging the abuse of Iraqi prison inmates at four prisons other than the now most infamous prison.
Court transcripts and Army investigator interviews provide the broadest view of evidence that abuses from forcing inmates to stand in 120-degree heat while in hoods to punching them occurred at a Marine detention camp in three Army prison sites.
They see this is spreading and sounding an awful lot more like policy than random acts.
America dedicated a Memorial Saturday to the now fast thinning ranks of World War II vets, a poignant last hurrah drawing together tens of thousands of old soldiers, sailors, and heroes of the home front.
Frail now, full of spunk then, they were thanked for the service that helped save our world.
And I guess you could say the world.
Pat Tillman, you recall, Pat Tillman, right, the U.S. soldier who turned down $3.5 million to play for the Arizona Cardinals, went into the Army instead, who was killed, we now have learned, was most likely killed by friendly fire.
The whole thing occurred during an ambush, and of course, everybody is looking everywhere.
There's no single direction for your attention in your fire, and so friendly fire incidents do occur frequently in an ambush situation.
Four members of the American Special Forces were killed in action in southern Afghanistan in the war on terror, so that continues.
Maybe this is good news.
I don't know.
It's the only piece I could find that was even close to it.
Pretty cool.
Call it the moneymaker effect.
For the second straight year, an internet unknown has won the famed World Series of poker.
It occurred Friday, ravaging a field of professional players on his way to glory and riches.
Greg Frosselman Raymeier, a patent lawyer from Stonington, Connecticut, earned a spot in the 35th annual No Limit Texas Holdham event after winning a $150 satellite tournament on PokerStars.com.
So in other words, Guy went online, put up $150, ended up winning millions of dollars in a poker tournament.
Now, my wife and I have become devotees of watching these poker tournaments on TV on the Travel Channel.
They're very popular and fun to watch.
And the one thing that we have noted, and you know when I had Amarillo Slim, a very famous, world-famous poker player on the program, I asked him why no women ever make it to the final table in all these poker tournaments.
Never do you see a woman.
They get close, but they don't make it.
And I asked him why, and he thought I was setting him up or something, so he didn't answer the question.
He went around that question 5,000 ways and then just flat wouldn't answer it.
So I'm asking all of you, what is it that has prevented a woman from making the finals?
It is one of the deepest mysteries right now known to mankind.
And we have puzzled about this.
Is it that a woman has tells on her face?
That a woman cannot keep to herself the emotional moment, the critical moment in a poker game when you turn up the cards and you see a couple of aces, or the moment where you know you're beat, but you're going to bluff the hell out of the other guy and blow him into next Tuesday.
What is it about a woman that has prevented her From making it to any of the finals.
Now, we've watched many, many, many of these, and there's something special here.
Even Amarillo Slim couldn't, or wouldn't answer that question: why not a woman?
Back to a little weather news.
The headline is Jetstream Jump Could Usher Unseasonably Hot Summer.
Lately, Oklahoma weather has been unusually quiet for the month of May.
Summertime pattern has established itself over the central plains, redirecting the stormy weather north of Oklahoma.
This is written by somebody in Oklahoma.
He goes on, what do I mean by a summertime pattern?
Well, simply put, it has to do with the jet stream.
The jet stream is a rapidly flowing content of air about 30,000 feet up that steers the major storm systems across America.
Where the jet stream goes, so go these storms.
For the past couple of weeks, the jet stream has been instead across the northern plains, Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri.
This pattern has left Oklahoma City high and dry.
The reason to raise an eyebrow this May is that it appears the jet stream simply jumped northward into a late summer pattern instead of what it usually does.
One can only guess what the summer has in store with this kind of a setup.
And that from Oklahoma, it's true.
If you look at the map, the severe storms have jumped from where they normally are down in what we call Tornado Alley up into the northern part of the U.S. Just one more weather anomaly underway right now.
Here's an interesting CNN report.
Rapid Arctic thaw portends warming.
A global warming is hitting the Arctic more than twice as fast as the rest of our planet in what also may be a portent of wider catastrophic changes, according to the chairman of an eight-nation study on Monday.
Quote, there is dramatic climate change happening in the Arctic now, about two to three times the pace of the rest of the globe, according to Robert Corwell, chairman of the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment, in an 1800-page report.
That's a big one to be handed to the ministers in Iceland in November, that melting, listen to me now, is destabilizing buildings on permafrost, threatening an oil pipeline laid across Alaska, that very expensive Aliaska pipeline.
You know the one, right?
Inuit hunters are reportedly falling more frequently, falling through the thinning ice, and the habitats for plants and animals have been disrupted.
The benefits for human commerce might accrue because you might see an opening now of largely ice-bound short sea cuts.
You know, a new route from the Pacific to the Atlantic.
Russia might also win easier access to oil and gas as the ice cap shrinks and permafrost retreats.
But this generally is not good news.
Just not good news at all.
The Arctic reacts mostly to global warming, blamed largely on emissions of gases like carbon dioxide, fossil fuels in cars and factories, partly because dark-covered water or earth once exposed soaks up heat far faster than white ice or snow.
If you want to know what the rest of the planet is going to see in the next generation, watch out for the Arctic in the next five to ten years, they say.
It's changing just altogether too quickly now.
They just discovered, now my guest tonight is going to be very interested in this.
He's talking about a new ice age, and lo and behold, they have discovered an underwater volcano off of all places, Antarctica.
A previously unknown underwater volcano has now been discovered off the coast of Antarctica, off the coast of Antarctica, according to the National Science Foundation.
The findings help explain Mariners' historical reports of discolored water in the area.
That's what happens.
The water becomes discolored, and they, of course, had no idea what that meant.
What it really means is there is a volcano.
Under there, the presence of a volcano was first suggested in sonar studies during a research cruise in January, but scientists were unable to return to the stormy waters of that region until April.
They said the research vessel Lawrence M. Gould was returning from a study of a collapsed ice shelf when it passed right over the volcano.
So that's pretty incredible stuff.
Certainly a pretty incredible place you would think for a volcano.
You would also think a volcano would begin to melt the ice, wouldn't you?
And then finally, and I guess this goes with the weekend and the whole sort of thing we're doing right now, on the weekend of the opening of the day after tomorrow, researcher James Lovelock says that climate change may be proceeding much more quickly than previously thought.
This report comes at a time when the main criticism of the film is that, why, everything happens much faster than it would in reality.
Well, of course, it's a two-hour movie.
You've got to fit it in there.
Anyway, in the Independent, Michael McCarthy writes that Lovelock's conclusion is due to two recent climate events, the increasingly rapid melting of the Arctic ice sheet covering Greenland, which is, by the way, going to raise global sea levels, and the extreme heat wave in Europe last summer, which caused 20,000 deaths of mostly elderly people in France.
There's no question in any reasonable scientist's mind that the heat wave was the first really bad event of global warming, says Lovelock, but the media picked it up only as a story about the wickedness of the French in not looking after their own old people.
He's just As alarmed about the Greenland ice sheet, which is melting far faster than expected.
Quote, I think in the past we thought more in terms of it would get hotter, things would change, you might be able to grow Mediterranean plants in Britain, stuff like that.
It didn't seem all that bad.
You knew there'd be some places that wouldn't be fine, but others, well, might be nicer than they were.
Now, there is a growing awareness that global warming is far more serious than we ever realized, that it is proceeding more quickly, that it poses a threat to future generations and even to civilization itself.
So there you have it.
That's, of course, what I've been huffing and puffing about for a very long time now.
Oh, incidentally, one more item.
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry says, should he be elected, he will put a stop to the nuclear waste dump at Yucca Mountain.
Now, the reporter involved in this story that did it for Channel 8 in Las Vegas pressed Senator Kerry, and he was good to his word.
He said, if elected, I will do everything within my power and the law to stop it.
And so if they don't put it at Yucca, I wonder where they are going to put it.
Anyway, coming up in a moment, 30 minutes of open lines just ahead of tonight's guest from the high desert in the middle of the night.
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And there are a couple of other things here.
Granted, we stayed at a fairly prestigious hotel in Manhattan.
However, here in Little Perump, Nevada, when you go and you get, say, a breakfast in the morning, you get a couple of eggs, toast, you know, the usual, right?
Some orange juice, maybe, and sausage, and that's it.
A little cup of coffee, say.
You know, it might be a couple of people.
Here, it's a very reasonable place we live in.
A couple of people might be about six bucks.
Maybe.
Unless you hit a special, then it might be all of two or three bucks.
Well, we had exactly that breakfast at a hotel in Manhattan.
Two eggs, a couple hunks of toast, some sausage, and anyway.
The bill was $58.
$50.
Now, that's a culture shock.
I'll tell you what.
A couple of eggs for two people.
$50.
Holy smokes.
Now, they did have, I'll grant them, a very good $16.
$16 burger was delicious, but $50 for a couple of eggs.
Holy moly.
Absolutely.
Well, if you were going to live in Manhattan, you'd have to be making a lot of money.
www.patreon.com You know, going back just a little bit in the program, I reiterate my wonderment at the lack of any good news in the news.
Good news never gets, or with very rare exceptions, never gets printed.
Why would you think that would be?
I mean, surely in the world, there would be a nearly equal mixture of good news and bad news, right?
And yet bad news absolutely dominates.
Moreover, that is what people want to hear.
Otherwise, there would be good news on the radio and on television, in the media in general.
There would be good news.
People would go, huh?
They just want to hear the bad news.
What is it about human nature that makes people want to hear the bad news.
And speaking of it, and the weather, William at Continental Divide, Colorado writes: Tornadoes, in fact, Tornado News is preempting your program right now in parts of Kansas, Colorado, Nebraska.
Having to use a C-Crane radio to hear you right now on KSTP since we can't pick up any local radio stations within 400 to 800 miles.
Wow.
So that jet stream indeed has shifted north with it, and the tornadoes and violent storms have shifted along with it.
So they are north now, and they are really vicious this year.
As we flew toward New York City, for just about the entire flight, I was on the left-hand side of the airplane, able to look north.
And all we could see were these incredible thunderheads built to God knows how many, just barely below us.
You know, we were just kind of over the top of them and unrelenting lightning just watching the vicious weather across the central part of the U.S. And, of course, the report of tornadoes the day following our flight east was horrible.
This is Anne in Walnut Creek in Contra Costa County.
I just wanted to congratulate you and Whitley's fever.
I mean, it's obvious from the reviews that I've read and that I've heard on the radio, including Terry Gross of Fresh Air on NPR, and she's just the creme de la creme.
She's wonderful, that, you know, people are looking at the movie that was made from your book as being a very complex, multi-level movie and experience, and setting a lot of people to thinking, and you're getting some, there's some controversy among environmentalists, and you're getting some favorable comments from environmentalists.
So I think you're accomplishing some of your goal.
But I do think it's causing millions and millions of people to think, well, hey, maybe it could be.
Right.
It's a science fiction movie, although it's based on enough of a nugget of reality that if you don't come out of that theater thinking about what's going on in our world right now, you weren't paying attention.
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And there are some science fiction movies in our heritage that were made years ago that people are still thinking and talking about.
And I think the reason for that is because the really good science fiction writers, in my opinion, build their story, fiction as it may be, against a nugget of reality.
And so, more frequently than not, as years pass, that nugget of reality at that earlier time proves out to be scientifically viable and is something that is developed or something that occurs if prognosticated.
That's why so many times science fiction movies become science reality.
There are any number of things that could cause tidal waves that would do roughly to New York what you saw done or will see done yet in the day after tomorrow.
Well, have you ever thought of the following possibility?
Maybe you're doing it.
Maybe you're making this happen.
Maybe it's you.
Like with the Krell in Forbidden Planet, where those meters Keep going up, and you're using endless amounts of power to turn your imagination into horrible reality, sir.
I do believe that Jesus Christ will ultimately prevail, but I believe that the dark church is coming out a lot faster and in more unison than perhaps, let's say, the Christian church does.
Because they're all seem to be divided, you know what I mean?
What I saw, and I guess what you saw, clearly were not a conventional aircraft.
That doesn't mean that they are not ours somehow or another, but if we really are making something like that, then we're really much more ahead of the game than we thought because, gee, it defied gravity.
And I'm going to be dragging a bunch of people with me, and they think they're going just for the special effects, but they don't know about the lecture afterwards.
I mean, it's not my area of expertise to say the least, but it's so damn important.
And I know that what happened in the States when they were doing the 9-11 inquiries with the panel on the second day with Giuliani that they cut once the family started shouting their protests because it had gone on for so long and no questions had been asked of Giuliani.
And so they cut, and So you didn't find out what happened.
And what happened, and I wanted to ask your opinion, they were frustrated.
And they're saying, why aren't you asking questions?
Why aren't you bringing the whistleblowers in?
Why aren't you asking about Motorola?
And they kept saying, why aren't you asking about Motorola?
And they also were saying that there were fire men's wives and families.
I mean, they didn't have any other agenda.
But then they started chanting.
They trained and they funded Al-Qaeda.
They trained and they funded Al-Qaeda.
If you nothing else, remember this is the sentence.
What's coming up, Robert Felix, will be definitely in tune with our topic tonight and the movie itself in a lot of ways.
We will turn out to have a lot of agreements and a few disagreements, but what Robert Felix has to say, he wrote a book called Not by Fire, but by Ice.
And we'll get to that in a moment.
Carl and Janine from Gold Coast, Australia.
Yes, the movie opened worldwide.
Write fast blast and say hi, My wife and I saw a day after tomorrow down here in Australia.
We loved it.
Want to see it again?
Might even buy the DVD.
Great effects, real buzz seeing your name on the big screen.
73s, that means best wishes in hand, Carl.
In Gold Coast, Australia.
Yeah, well, many of you may never experience seeing your name on the big screen.
It was cool.
That's what I would say of it.
It was kind of cool.
I mean, to sit there, even though I had to stand up, you know, it was at the end when everybody was standing up and getting ready to leave as the credits were rolling.
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I had to stand up and crane my neck a little bit, but there it was.
Well, I've long said, Robert, that to me it doesn't matter whether it's a cyclical event that man's hand can't control or change in the slightest or whether we're actually having an effect on it or any of the above.
It just doesn't matter.
It's, in my opinion, underway now, and so we must begin planning for it now so that a lot of the things you see unfold in the movie this weekend will not come to pass.
Now, I guess in the introduction, it said that.
It said that from your point of view, no matter how we differ on how it may form, you believe the process is underway now.
And I have some evidence from coring in ice, not under the ocean.
But I guess what you're talking about is going to a very deep part of the sea with some sort of robotic apparatus and drilling down and getting a core.
And it does indicate that there have been these, for example, these flash freezes, the most recent evidence, I think, in Peru.
And previously, scientists, when they find this sort of thing, Robert, they just sort of, if it doesn't fit in with what they otherwise expect, they just, I don't know, they cast it aside and say it's impossible, and therefore we reject the evidence.
You know, I believe that they discovered the speed with, well, there was one lady, Genevieve Woyard, who published in the 1970s that an ice age at the end-Emian period began in less than 20 years.
So the knowledge has been around, but everybody laughed at her.
And the reason she said that is because in Europe, warm weather trees, according to the pollen record, warm weather trees disappeared in less than 20 years, which everybody poo-pooed.
And then in the early 80s, when they were drilling deep cores into the ice in central Greenland, they found more evidence of ice ages beginning abruptly, and that was discarded.
But by 1989, they couldn't ignore it any longer.
And there was a project called GRIP, Greenland Ice Core Project, that drilled almost two miles deep into the ice in central Greenland.
And they drilled deep enough that they were able to physically look at the ice that had formed as much as 250,000 years ago.
And this goes along with what you're saying.
They discovered that every ice age during the last 250,000 years, and there were many more than they realized, every single one of them began in less than 20 years, sometimes in less than 10 years.
Robert, is there any question any longer about global warming?
It seems like there's very little question now.
All the scientists are agreeing this is occurring.
I mean, look at Alaska, for example, where buildings are destabilizing.
They were built on permafrost.
Well, it's not perma and much frost anymore.
And the buildings are destabilizing, and trees are falling down.
And I'm telling you, it's getting really, really weird up there.
Native Alaskans are falling off or into the ice because it's not frozen enough to hold them anymore.
So, is there any question about and then you look at pictures of the North Pole 10 years ago, 20 years ago, and now, and that'll send the hair on the back of your neck straight up.
The ice sheets in the Antarctic breaking off, all of that.
Is there any question about what's going on in global warming?
Well, that depends on how we define it, Art, because from my research, I do not believe that there is global warming caused by humans.
What I see is ocean warming, because I agree that there's ocean warming.
However, the temperatures in the atmosphere are declining.
Temperatures on land are declining.
But most of the figures you see, they talk about surface temperatures of the planet are rising.
Well, surface temperatures include the ocean, which is 71% of our planet.
I think the ocean is heating because of this cycle and because, and this is a primary contribution that I believe I'm making, I believe that they're heating because of underwater volcanic activity.
Now, a little bit earlier, I heard you reading part of that article or discussing part of that article about the underwater volcano found off the Antarctic coast.
That's right.
And, well, that would certainly, and you also mentioned that that could make the ice melt, which I think you were doing a little tongue-in-cheek, but absolutely.
Now, that article just came out on May 21st, that newly found volcano.
And it's interesting, there was another article just last week that I read that Deception Island in Antarctica is that when cruise ships go down there, what it is, it's a volcanic crater about eight miles in diameter that collapsed so that water is flooded into it and the cruise ships can go in there.
This is off the coast of Antarctica.
When the cruise ship goes in there, everybody strips off their jackets, they pull their vests, their thermal underwear, their boots and their socks, and they jump into the ocean because deception is still active.
In the Arctic Ocean, now I didn't know about this when I wrote the book.
I just discovered this in the last year.
In the Arctic Ocean, where we're talking about the ice melting, scientists in the last year have discovered the Gakel Ridge.
It's a gigantic volcanic mountain chain that stretches beneath the Arctic Ocean.
It's something like 1,800 kilometers long.
It has deep valleys.
It has 5,000 meter-high summits.
In other words, the mountain underwater volcanoes are 3 miles high.
The Gackle Ridge is far mightier than the Alps.
And we have discovered just within the last year that there is surprisingly, and I'll quote here from the article that was published in the Max Planck Society, surprisingly strong magmatic activity in the west and east of the ridge.
It's one of the strongest hydrothermal activities.
Well, I'm sure you've seen the satellite photographs, have you not, of the northern part of the world and how much ice was there, say, in 91 versus now.
Okay, I think that has to do with the Ice Age cycle.
And the reason I say that is 11,500 years ago, there was greatly increased volcanic activity.
And so much so just before we went into that small ice age, relatively small, but there was drastically increased volcanism.
23,000 years ago, before we went into that disastrous ice age, there was major volcanism.
They found mammoth bones interspersed with up to three feet of volcanic ash in Alaska.
So volcanism on land, the record shows that volcanism on land has in the past increased at the beginning of each ice age.
Now, one of the things I said in my book way back when, back when I started researching in 1991, scientists thought there were about 10,000 underwater volcanoes in the entire world.
Then in 1993, they discovered 1,100 more underwater volcanoes down off the coast of Easter Island.
So in a matter of like two months, they increased the world supply of underwater volcanoes by 10%.
Now, we know more about the moon than we know about the ocean floor, really, because now, if you go to NASA's website, NASA now estimates that there are as many as 1 million underwater volcanoes.
I mean, this is a major change that no one is really exploring yet.
And there are some that I've interviewed recently, Richard Hoagland and company, who believe that a Planet's energy output, that our planet's energy output is now up, and that the other planets in our system exhibit a similar increase in energy.
I hadn't heard that exactly, but my understanding, I've got one article here, is that some scientists believe that Mars is now coming out of an ice age.
And from my point of view at this stage of the game, it doesn't matter because we need to start recognizing that whatever it is, it is occurring, and we should begin to plan for agriculture in the new setup.
Now, here's someplace where we're going to agree, and that is the temperature of the oceans.
It can indeed cause an ice age, and people are confused about this all the time.
They keep saying, well, then, let's think, if the oceans get warmer, how the hell could that cause an ice age?
What El Niño does is that's a warming ocean, essentially, is that the ocean, there's a strip of the ocean down near the equator that warms by up to 14 degrees.
And what it does as that water warms is it increases evaporation.
Any cook will tell you this.
You know, if you put a pot of water on the stove and you start heating that and it starts boiling, all of that moisture starts rising up onto your ceiling and falling back down, dripping on you.
Same thing with El Niño.
As the seas warm, all of that moisture rises into the sky.
And then, because the world is revolving, of course, but that moisture then travels over the continents, it cools down, it falls back to the earth as rain.
You know, when, well, a couple of years ago, anybody who was listening in Kentucky, a couple of years ago, there were some rainstorms in Kentucky where they received 15 inches of rain in one day.
Now, Kentucky does get snow.
If that has fallen in the winter, meteorologists, when they try to predict how much snow will fall if a rainstorm should turn to snow, they add a zero.
I'm simplifying a little, but not much.
So one inch of rain added zero would be 10 inches of snow.
Well, that means that 15 inches of rain in Kentucky, if that had fallen as snow, would have been 150 inches of snow.
It would have buried every one-story house.
Every one-story building in town would have collapsed from the weight.
It would have buried every trailer truck on the freeway.
You know, we do see the pictures of the melting glaciers, and I believe that the glaciers that are floating in the water, I don't have to believe it.
I mean, it's true.
The glaciers, as they float in those warming waters, are indeed melting.
But when you go inland, it's an entirely different story.
And this is one of the reasons why I believe that we're seeing the beginning of the Ice Age right now.
Glaciers right now are growing in Norway.
They're growing like crazy in Norway.
Glaciers are growing in Canada.
Glaciers are growing in Ecuador.
Glaciers are growing in Switzerland.
They're growing in Russia.
They're growing in New Zealand.
They're growing inland in Greenland.
They're growing in Antarctica.
And here's one article you may not be aware of.
Glaciers are growing right here in the United States.
And this is one newspapers should be yelling this to the high heavens, and anyone should be listening to your movie or watching your movie.
Glaciers are growing in Washington State.
Glaciers are growing in California.
In Washington State, on Mount Rainier, there's a glacier called the Nisqually Glacier.
The city of Tacoma gets some of their water supply from the Nisqually.
And because of that, they began measuring the Nisqually Glacier back in 1931.
It's the best measured glacier in the northern hemisphere.
The Nisqually Glacier is growing thicker at the rate of 18 feet a year, two stories a year.
And glaciologists expect that added weight will make it begin advancing within this decade, meaning within the next six years.
It will begin advancing.
That is because of these warming oceans.
They're sending, and to answer your question, they're sending up the excess moisture, coming back to in the lowlands as rain, but in the mountains it's landing as snow.
But on the other hand, we also have ice melting at an alarming rate in the north part of the world and the south part of the world.
Now, this is fresh water entering saltwater and diluting salinity.
And now, again, I want to get back to the ocean, if we could.
Sure.
How is it, please explain that these warming ocean temperatures combined with the fresh water coming from the northern and southern part of the world entering the ocean, how will all this end up causing an ice age?
They're quite a bit further north than New York City, and yet actually, I believe you'd find that that part of Europe is roughly the same latitude as Labrador.
So it should have the climate of Labrador, but it doesn't.
And they're the ones that have been tracking this.
And they're the ones that realize that all of this fresh water that has been pouring into the Atlantic, fresh water both from the melting and also from the huge increase in precipitation, that fresh water could change the salinity of the ocean enough.
What happens is that the warm water goes north until it gets up somewhere near Iceland, and then it starts to sink back down into the depths of the ocean, moves back to the tropics, and then it comes back up, and it's like a giant conveyor belt that continually moves this warm water to Europe.
Too much fresh water in the past has apparently, but scientists believe this, is that too much fresh water can cause that conveyor belt to shut down.
So I'm sort of curious if this conveyor belt stops, which it could do very quickly.
The ICE Corps say this kind of thing happened, despite what a lot of scientists say, very quickly, not over thousands of years, as we learned in school, but rather quickly.
Now, what exactly would occur.
Robert, can you project what would happen if the conveyor belt stopped?
Average temperatures would drop by and this may not sound like much at first, but average winter temperatures would drop by 5 degrees over much of the United States, and they dropped by 10 degrees in the northeastern United States and Europe.
Well, I guess what I want to understand is if I live in Paris, Robert, or I live, I don't know, in London, and this occurs, what's going to happen to me?
You know, there was an occasion during the Little Ice Age, during the 1600s, during that Little Ice Age, when the ice started advancing out of the Alps.
And what happened in England is that they started getting more rain than usual.
And the winter rains lasted for about six weeks longer than normal.
That was enough to disrupt the planting season.
It destroyed the wheat supply.
And literally millions of people starved to death.
My big worries is that we'll be fighting in the streets for food long before we're covered with ice.
Oh, it would be the worst volcanic eruption since Toba of 75,000 years ago.
Now, if you've got seven feet of volcanic ash covering Nebraska and covering the entire Midwest, how much food is going to get through?
None.
We would be fighting in the streets in days.
And that's what I worry about, is if that goes off, then it would cool the entire planet by about 20 degrees, and I would assume that underwater volcanic activity would be increasing at the same time, because it usually does.
It's tied together.
So you'd have oceans even warmer than they are today, pumping all of that moisture into the skies that are 20 degrees colder, and it would be just snow.
Well, one of the big ones is that the land around Yellowstone since 1923 has risen 29 inches.
And that has risen as much as most active volcanoes.
So, you know, when Mount St. Helens exploded, there was the bulge that happened first.
They've also discovered at the bottom of the largest lake at Yellowstone, and I don't know the name of that lake, but at the bottom of the largest lake, there's now a bulge in the bottom of the lake the size of seven football fields.
Really?
And I've heard callers to your program talk about the heat there, is that the ground in some areas of Yellowstone has gotten so hot that they've had to close some of the trails because it was burning people's shoes.
But then what would happen is that all of this ash would rise into the sky, and the Earth revolves, so the entire planet would be shrouded in darkness.
And with that, we'll take a break, Robert, top of the Alacona, from the high desert in the middle of the night, which is where we talk about things like this.
I'm Art Bell, and this, of course, is Coast to Coast AM.
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While you're contemplating what would happen if Yellowstone let go and lava was blown 150,000 feet or better into the air and mostly out of the air, frankly, to the edge of space, and then came raining back down as rocks and virtually incinerated everybody in a 600-mile radius of Yellowstone.
While you're contemplating that, and then of course the pain would begin from that point out, it's unimaginable anything that big.
While you're contemplating that, I have contemplated a question for Robert Felix, my guest on this matter, and others.
In a moment.
The End Once again, Robert Felix, and ladies and gentlemen, his book is Not by Fire, But by Ice.
I'm going to make you the President of the United States.
How about that?
President Felix has a kind of a ring to it.
President Felix.
All right.
President Felix, if a group of scientists from renowned institutions and universities came to you in a sort of a panic and they said, President Felix, here's the evidence.
Yellowstone is going to let go in an apocalyptic manner.
And they describe to you the miles of lava being thrown into the atmosphere and beyond.
And they say, Mr. President, this is going to happen.
And we feel very soon now, based on the following very sound scientific data.
You know, from all of the research that I have done over the years, I have discovered that I can pretty well find the figures to back up whichever position I want to back up.
And so I would have to really trust those scientists very strongly.
it would also almost make your movie look preferable um Yeah, apparently it would be much worse than the scenario of a virtual new ice age starting out as it did in the day after tomorrow.
And I really, you know, I don't know the timing exactly, but I do believe that we are on the verge with all of the things that have been going on with Yellowstone, with all of that activity, and volcanic activity around the world is now the greatest that it's been in more than 500 years.
I would be concerned right now on, let's say, a number five, because the earthquake activity has picked up, because it is acting in ways that it hasn't acted in recorded history.
You know, it's too bad that we don't have more information to go on.
The last time it actually exploded, and this could be a small one, too, about 13,800 years ago, there was an explosion in one of the lakes where one of those lava domes built up, like is building up now.
Yes.
And that only affected areas for about five miles around.
So we have to wait and see what else is coming.
Because if it's just something that's going to affect things that are five miles around, that's no worse than Mount St. Helens.
And that certainly wasn't a disaster to the entire country.
But I think that underwater volcanoes, for instance, had an awful lot to do with the dinosaur extinction because there were literally hundreds of cubic miles of lava that poured into the seas.
You know, the Chicxalub crater in, and I address this in the book, too, by the way, but the Chicxalub crater in the Gulf of Mexico, the one that we say was caused by that huge asteroid, there are some scientists, and I know that Charles Officer of Dartmouth College is one, who's published a book on it, that some scientists believe that was caused by massive, explosive, underwater volcanic activity.
And I would agree with them.
You know, that caldera, Tixalube, was first discovered by workers for Pemex, for the Mexican oil company.
They were drilling for oil, and they drilled through a layer of andesite, which is volcanic glass.
And so when that was first discovered, it was identified as a volcanic crater.
Now, part of the problem of identifying it, it's a half a mile below water.
So it's not something you can just go take a look at.
But yes, I do believe that was caused by what I'm talking about right here.
I know that they've measured the debris and coring they've done, oh, I don't know, off the coast of South America up into the Caribbean, they've measured some coring that had the debris that they thought was from an asteroid hit.
But you're saying, no, no, no, This debris came from the spitting of a volcano thousands of miles away.
One of your listeners emailed me before the program tonight and wanted me to talk about the iridium because the debris that you're talking about, the iridium, there's a layer of clay around the world at that borderline 65 million years ago.
That layer of clay is about a quarter inch thick and some areas thicker, and it has iridium in it.
Now, some people think that entire layer of clay is iridium, but no, what it is is 10 parts per billion is iridium.
And it turns out that some of today's volcanoes, some on the island of Reunion, some in Hawaii, have 50% of that amount of iridium even in their emissions today.
So I believe that that iridium came from massive volcanic activity.
Or I suppose also an asteroid strike could initiate.
Look, I'm no expert on this, but if you slammed something gigantic into the Earth and penetrated the Earth to a great degree, couldn't you begin a chain of seismic events and maybe even volcanic activity?
There's other occasions where the extinction 248 million years ago, there appears to be craters from that time, the Popagai crater in Siberia, but it also corresponds with the time of massive lava flows in Siberia.
Do you at all speculate on the cause of volcanic activity of suddenly becoming, in other words, of the planet suddenly getting a lot of volcanic activity?
If you could look at the Earth from space, you'd see that just like a spinning top, the Earth's axis of rotation tilts.
And the Earth's axis of rotation constantly moves in a circle, just like that top does.
And that circular movement, that's what's called precession.
And it takes about 23,000 years to make that full circle.
So if you could put a long stick through our axis of rotation, long enough to reach into the heavens, you'd see that stick right now would point towards the star Polaris.
And that's why it's called a pole star, because the North Pole points toward it.
But 12,000 years from now, it'll point toward a different star.
It'll point toward Vega.
And 23,000 years from now, it'll point toward Polaris again.
Well, that's precession.
And ice ages match that cycle.
Increases in volcanic activity match that cycle.
Increases in flood activity match that cycle.
And that precession is what I believe is causing these earthly changes.
And that's why we're seeing the increase in volcanic activity.
You know, so many of my guests, Robert, talk about events of a biblical nature almost that occur on a cycle from 11,000 to 13,000 years, Somewhere in there, it doesn't matter who you talk to, Richard C. Hoagland, gosh, just on and on.
People who predict major events, people who talk about planets that come and go.
That fits into the same kind of cycle that you're talking about, doesn't it?
It's funny, it did just occur to me that not just Robert Felix, but all of these people, even including the Hopi, Hopi, you can add to the long list of those who predict something is going to occur and in a certain possession by a certain time.
Robert Felix.
So how do we know how close to the edge of this moment of repeat we are?
And that has been renamed the El Nino of the century.
I would say to watch El Niños.
Now, here I'm guessing, but the next large El Niño should occur somewhere in 2008, 2009.
And I would say watch that.
And if that is even bigger than the previous El Ninos, I think we're on our way.
That's one of the ways that I would say to watch.
Another thing that I would watch is what's happening in Europe, because if this Gulf Stream shuts down the way that the Woods Hole scientists think it could, then Europe will be affected, I would say, first.
It's weird that you could come to this point, I guess, where I'm no scientist, but where the salinity had been diluted enough, the temperature had changed enough that suddenly the current would virtually not just keep slowing at the alarming rate it's slowing now, but would suddenly quit.
But 150 miles south of Olympia, and scientists know this from the plants that were growing in the area, 150 miles south of Olympia, it was only about seven degrees colder than it is right now.
What I'd say, watch Newfoundland, watch New Brunswick, because as near as I can tell, previous ice ages, it essentially started there by having, not because it was getting colder, but because they were just getting more and more snow, more and more snow.
And then it works its way west.
Now, last year, and if you have listeners in New Brunswick or Nova Scotia, I'd love to hear from them because the last couple of years, I believe they've had record snows.
What I think is happening, I think it has to do with the warming oceans, is any landmass that is close to the warming oceans where the breezes, the warmer breezes are blowing over them, is going to be melting.
But when you go inland, that's where the difference is.
When you go inland, the Antarctic ice sheet is growing thicker.
The Greenland ice sheet is growing thicker.
Now, the Antarctic ice sheet covers something like 5 million square miles.
The Greenland ice sheet covers another 700,000 square miles.
That is twice as big as the continental United States.
I've got an article here, August 22, 2002, from the Goddard Space Flight Center that radar image satellite records are showing that there is an increase in Antarctic sea ice cover.
I have another article that shows that glaciers in Antarctica have been moving, and this was March 9, 2003, that glaciers, masses of Antarctic ice have been moving twice as fast as usual.
And there's seven glaciers mentioned here, the Boydell, the Schrodigren, the Edgeworth, the Bombardier, the Drygowski.
They've actually entered active surging phases toward the sea.
So if they're surging, I mean, the reason they're surging is because of the added weight.
They're surging towards the sea, so there's more of them to melt.
And also in Greenland, I have scientific, these published papers that it's growing thicker.
But that's from satellite images that not everybody gets to see.
Well, I know, but if it's an ultimate truth alongside the other truth about Alaska and the areas that we know are melting, I mean, I must tell you, Robert, to look at the North Pole 20 years ago and to look at it now is pretty damn frightening.
A lot of it, a high percentage of it even, is just flat gone, Robert.
I'm even hearing rumors that they're encouraging people who are flying over the pole, you know, to go to a quick trip to Europe or whatever, to keep their windows shut while they're going over the pole.
Now, you know, maybe that doesn't have any meaning.
Maybe it does have meaning.
I have no idea.
But those who have peeked out of their little windows while going over the North Pole have been astounded at the amount of blue water.
Let's go back to the reason why this is really important.
Why, you know, your side of things regarding the building ice and what that means in the larger scheme of things is just virtually ignored compared to the melting that's going on.
The only thing that I can imagine is that I think that during the last 20 years, any scientist who would have pointed this out or really pushed it would have lost their funding.
Okay, well, in 1960, the USDA drew up a plant hardiness zone map that covered Canada and the United States, and they divided the entire area into 10 zones based on temperature.
Here's one we did just recently hear about, and maybe you'd like to comment on it.
And I'm sorry, I don't remember the scientific institution that made the discovery, but the story was basically that the horrid Dust Bowl, that time in the United States where the middle part of the country turned into an unlivable, almost surface of Mars, right?
Well, one of the things I would say is, again, is going back to food, because I think that food will be the big thing, and just the knowledge.
If we know the truth, you put me on a plane to Alaska and you tell me in advance where I'm going, and I'll figure out what to do, and I think people will figure out what to do.
But if you tell me I'm going to Miami and then you dump me off in Alaska, I'm in trouble.
And I think that's what's happening today.
We're being told we're going to Miami.
We're being told these things.
But I think we're headed into this ice age.
With that said, though, greenhouses.
I think greenhouses will be like gold because then you'll be...
Yeah, little private greenhouses, I think, will be a great idea for somebody.
Last year I was doing an interview on a radio station in Kentucky, and a farmer called in.
He said that his farm had been in the family for more than 100 years.
And this was talking about the previous year, but it had rained so much that spring that he was not able to put his tractors in the field.
That farm had put out a corn crop every year dependently for more than 100 years.
And just because it was too rainy, he couldn't put his tractor in the field.
That's the sort of thing I think we're, you know, it's not going to be, it doesn't have to be this great big drastic happening that the TV coverages are going to be showing.
But these farmers aren't going to be able to work, you know, or they're not going to be able to plant.
You might want to read that book, and that really is suggestive of a very good question for tomorrow night.
You know, we're going to be doing open lines tomorrow night, and I thought perhaps one question I would ask you all is, how do you think the world will end?
You've had so many choices presented to you here on Coast to Coast AM about the way it might end.
Just being one of them, more or less.
So that'd make a hell of an open lines question, wouldn't it?
Well, let me read something to you that's the very first part of my book and the Way I came up with the name for the book.
A long time ago, the universe was made of ice.
This is an ancient Scandinavian legend.
Then one day, the ice began to melt, and a mist rose into the sky.
Out of the mist came a giant made of frost, and the earth and the heavens were made from his body.
That is how the world began, and that is how the world will end, not by fire, but by ice.
The seas will freeze, and winters will never end.
That's the ancient, you know, and when you think about it, you think back to Noah's flood, or you think forward to one, but what was happening in the north during Noah's flood?
We hear anecdotal stories about sea levels rising, but in the country of Tuvalu, which is a country out in the Pacific Ocean, it's comprised of nine small islands.
The highest point on any one of those islands is 12 feet above sea level.
So back in the early 1990s, Tuvalu was worried about rising sea levels and the fact that they could be inundated.
I know that some of the lakes in the Seattle area were certainly caused by, because that's the area that I live, I know that some of those were definitely carved by glaciers as they receded and advanced.
Well, the main thing it's going to bring with it is the lack of food.
And again, this is a big if, but if Yellowstone goes off and you've got seven feet of ash, you've got all of that ash landing on the rivers, and then when it rains, all of that ash is going into the rivers and washing into the seas, it would essentially, you'd be looking at massive extinctions in the seas with all of that ash.
Well, and yet you felt obviously compelled to discuss it to some degree tonight, and that's why I kind of probed you and said, look, how serious is the latest news about Yellowstone?
Do you also, sir, see the similarity of not just Planet X, but I mean what the Hopis say, what so many others on this program have said about roughly the same timeline?
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Very, very much so.
This 3,600-year thing, if it's on a rotational orbit and it's coming within 20 million miles of Earth, and if we do buy into the idea of it being about three to five times the size of the Earth, you look at what the Moon does, just in terms of the pull on the tides.
If we have a planetary body coming within that distance of the Earth, it's got to be doing like a sucking effect on the volcano, on the volcanic activity of the Earth.
If there were something cyclical, like a planet X, couldn't this caller be right that the eruptions that you're talking about could be the effect of some oncoming magnetic field change produced by some other planetary body?
In other words, everything you've talked about, couldn't that be attributable to some other major event or attendant to that event?
I don't know if it's true either, but, you know, there's sit and there's a lot of things to think about.
And when you start putting together all of these things that are on the same rough cycle, no matter which one it ends up being, you've got to get the shivers a little bit.
I mean, they're world ending events, and they're all in the same damn cycle.
That's got to have some significant, very significant meaning.
So that's why I thought maybe a good question would be, how do you think the world's going to end?
I mean, it could be any one of these events, right?
This has a very soothing effect, doesn't it, as we discuss matters like, oh, Yellowstone blowing its cork, 600 miles of pure death surrounding it, that sort of thing.
A new ice age.
My guest is Robert Felix, and we'll be right back.
So if you would like to indulge tomorrow night's question, one of them anyway, how do you think the world is going to end?
And you want to investigate the way Robert Felix thinks it might end, not by fire, but by ice, you can probably find his book at Yahoo, even though it's been out this long.
Can you still get it up Yahoo, at Amazon and those sorts of places, Robert?
Well, first, what I did is I got the truck and I sold stuff, and the rest I loaded into a truck and put my Jeep on a trailer, and I headed off for Arizona.
I believe that you've got a good focus, and I believe there's a lot of things going on in our world right now that are affecting our condition as far as whether or not this earth is going to end within our lifetimes.
And I personally believe it is, but it's going to come by the hand of man by intercontinental ballistic missiles fired upon the Antarctic, causing the melting of the ice down there.
Okay, I appreciate all that, but I want the answer to that.
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Well, I found Zachariah Sitchins, and I read him, and that's when everything started to make sense.
Well, the secret societies that are in control of our Earth right now, they have a time schedule, and they will circle the Earth just as the Anunnaki did on the previous flood after Utnu Pishkin was warned by Enki.
Well, you know, if this ice age were to happen, oh, I haven't seen your film yet, Art, but I'm looking forward to trying to get to see it.
But if this ice age were in fact to occur, and we did, in fact, have sufficient warning, I think there might be things that we could do to minimize some of the calamitous effects of it.
And one of them might possibly be to construct an array of nuclear reactors on the moon and essentially hook them up to a mess of giant grow lights, as it were, and point them towards the Earth and maybe warm up the Earth a couple of degrees.
Also, on that same note, the same sort of principle could be applied to Mars.
Having a show like this is really splendid because when people discover what could happen to the planet, it's good to be prepared with distributing the information.
Just wait till we ask tomorrow night how you think the world will end.
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One of the concerns that I have is that with foreknowledge of what might happen and happening within our lifetime, we might be facing solutions we have to create now, and that would be alternative community building.
Do you think that mankind, if presented with a catastrophe of a 20-degree change or something like that, those who remained would erect bubble cities and protect themselves from the environment?
You know, I think that, you know, I've mentioned that I live in the Seattle area, and it wouldn't surprise me when this comes, is that people will be moving south, is that like the state of California will close their borders.
I think there will be things like that where there will be fighting just about trying to migrate south.
But the bubble cities, I don't know that we would have the will to do that, and I don't know that we would have, once we finally admit that this thing has started, I think it will be too late to do that sort of thing.
Well, I would think that the Southwest being relatively okay, at least perhaps so, with what Robert has said, that that kind of housing might be very efficient, right?
I was just going to say that in my short lifetime, I'm 31, I've seen both extremes of weather here in Kentucky, which would just support pretty much the radical change of weather.
In 945, we had a 22 below, the lowest ever recorded here.
And then in 99, in a very hot summer, we had 104.
And then the floods that he talked about earlier, they said it was like a 100-year type thing.
And then two years later, we had the same kind of rain again.
And I kind of think that we live in an area south of the north of the equator where we get, you know, equal, like when you put the balance right between left and right, of the cold and the hot.
And yet, these are extremes for us.
The big weather we had in 94, we had a terrible big winter storm.
Man, we can just go on and on describing the record weather.
No joke.
And no joke, what's going on across the whole middle part of the country so far this year.
It's been incredibly violent.
Incredibly violent.
In fact, earlier tonight I switched the radio on, and there was so much static on the radio that it was just like a lost cause.
I mean, lightning strikes by the gazillions.
And I looked at the lightning map, and the whole north central part of the United States is on fire with large-scale thunderstorms, really serious weather ravages.
But you know something, Robert?
We're not supposed to, as mortals, we're not supposed to really notice any weather cycles at all.
The traditional teaching is in America and around the world that these events take place over much larger spans than we would ever notice anything occurring at all.
The cycle that I talk about, why isn't that in any computer models?
I know of no geologist in the world who will disavow this cycle.
It's called the Milankovitch cycle.
It's written in the rocks.
It's written in the earth record.
It's not denied.
If the computer modelers would put this cycle into their computer models, well, I think your movie talks about some ancient paleoclimate computer models, but if this would be put into those models, it would be a totally different story.
It is interesting to me, Robert, that you adjusted your own life based on what you wrote and how you went into that psychological turnaround on, wait a minute now, what have I just done?