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Feb. 29, 2004 - Art Bell

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Doctor, and the great American Southwest.
		I bid you all good evening, good afternoon, good morning, whatever the time may be, and whatever time zone you reside, we cover them all with this great program.
		Post-to-post a.m.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		In the next hour, Professor Jim Jim Hodges.
		Actually, Jim Newton Hodges.
		We'll talk to us about robotics and a lot of other things.
		This man actually built the first robot that entered the triple Three Mile Island reactor.
unidentified		And so, there's an awful lot of questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Men went on to build robots for all kinds of purposes, but please, that kind of thing.
		He's going to be fascinating to talk to on all kinds of topics in the next hour.
		This hour open minds.
		Anything your little heart would like to talk about is fair game.
		Just a couple of notes.
unidentified		My webcam photograph.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We finally had a good day of weather today here in the desert.
		A break from the wind and the rain.
		And so we got out there and worked on that antenna, and she's almost done.
		And so I took a photograph that will give you a, you know, unfortunately, it's a small photograph, a webcam shot.
		So you can't really see it all, but three of the towers are in this photograph if you look really, really, really carefully.
		That's on my webcam.
		And that's the antenna.
		And from all appearances, it is working.
		Oh, baby, is it working?
		I'll be able to tell you more in the next couple weeks, but oh my.
		So this is taken from about a third of a mile away from my house, which you can see way in the background.
		And that's up where the antenna terminates.
		And that's the other house that we acquired to be able to do all of this incredible stuff.
		And so the antenna is up, working, adjusted, and so is the grounding system, about 2,000 feet of wire mesh down below it.
		It's really cool.
		And it's sort of in a period of discovery now, and we'll see how it works.
		So I'd let you all know, and that'll give you a little sense.
		I wish I could have put up a higher definition picture.
		By the way, before I get a lot of emails saying, it's a UFO.
		No, it's not.
		I zoomed in myself.
		That black thing in the sky is actually a bird in flight.
		So before anybody sends me something, says, ooh, there's a UFO in it.
		No, there's not.
unidentified		It's a bird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you have the high-res picture, you'd see it.
		All right.
		We are going into open lines, but first let's review the world a little bit.
		President Jean-Bertrand Aristide resigned.
		The better part of valor and all that.
		Flew into exile Sunday, pressured by a bloody rebellion and us, the U.S. Gunfire crackling all around the capital as everything fell into chaos.
		U.S. Marines sent into the country.
		In fact, arrived in the Haitian capital, Port-au-Prince, Sunday night as the vanguard of an international security force.
		So Aristide is oat.
		Tim Robbins won the Supporting Actor Academy Award on Sunday for his performance in an emotionally crippled, as rather an emotionally crippled murder suspect in Mystic River.
		Best picture favorite, Lord of the Rings.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		Cold Mountain wants some pretty good.
		Iraqi officials have reached an agreement on a draft of an interim constitution for Iraq and probably will sign the document after Shiite Muslim religious holiday ends, so they may have their constitution.
		Whether to amend the U.S. Constitution to outlaw gay marriages is a question that's provoking arguments out across the country, a lot of them.
		But it's one the public will never vote on directly.
		The idea proposed last week by President Bush would ultimately be decided by state legislators in at least 38 states, assuming that it gets enough support in Congress first.
		There is no guarantee that an amendment would win-wide support.
		While some legislators in conservative states say there is a passionate support for a constitutional ban on gay marriage, others say that altering one of the nation's founding documents raises troubling questions.
		It absolutely does.
		And, of course, I covered this subject at some great length yesterday evening with you.
		Not all of you will have heard that.
		But what it boiled down to in the end was I don't think I see a problem with gay marriage.
		The angle I took is I tried to figure out who would it hurt.
		I began to think about it.
		I used to be very much against it, but really, who's it going to hurt?
		Me?
		No.
		The state?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Federal government?
		Probably not.
		Will the institution of marriage itself collapse?
		No.
		Probably not.
		In fact, one in two marriages collapse now, right?
		Anyway, so, you know, I've thought about it.
		I'm a libertarian politically.
		I don't talk about politics a lot, but I'm pretty much a live and let-live kind of guy.
		I always have been.
		Well, that's not even true.
		Not always.
		I became a libertarian about 10 years ago.
		And so that's the way I feel about this.
		I think it's all right.
		I don't think it would hurt anybody.
		I mean, if it's suddenly legal, will you, for example, run out and say, wow, look, we can marry somebody of the same sex.
		Let me go find somebody of the same sex and let's get married.
		No, probably not, right?
		So that's the tack I took on it.
		I got about a million emails on the subject.
		People surprised, some happy, some shocked, some, you know, quoting the Lord to me.
		And I, you know, I understand That point of view, believe me.
		I want to read you some comments on this incredible Mel Gibson movie made by not myself, but another person in the media named Jodi Dean, who's a Dallas TV anchor, and she saw the movie.
		I'm not going to read enough, not like you don't know the story, but I'm not going to ruin it for you.
		But I thought that Jodi Dean had some pretty relevant comments.
		in a moment those music I have not yet seen The Passion, just so you know, I haven't seen it yet.
		But I thought these were interesting.
		Jody Dean said, Jody Dean's been in broadcasting and movies and television for, I don't know, a lot of years, since about 13 years old.
		He says, this is not a movie that anyone will like.
		I don't think it's a movie that anyone will love.
		It certainly doesn't entertain.
		There isn't even the sense that one has just watched a movie.
		What it is, is an experience on a level of primary emotion that is scarcely comprehensible.
		Every shred of human preconception and predisposition is utterly stripped away.
		No one will eat popcorn during this film.
		Some may not eat for days after they've seen it.
		Quite honestly, I wanted to vomit.
		It hits that hard.
		I can see why some people are worried about how the film portrays the Jews.
		They should be worried.
		No, it's not anti-Semitic.
		What it is, is entirely shattering.
		There are no winners.
		No one comes off looking good except Jesus.
		Even his own mother hesitates, as depicted the Jewish leaders of Jewish day of that day, merely do what any of us would have done and still do.
		They protected their perceived place, their sense of safety and security, and the satisfaction of their own rightness.
		But everyone falters.
		It said, the film grabs you in the first five seconds and never lets go.
		The brutality, humiliation, and gore is almost inconceivable and still probably doesn't go far enough.
		The scourging alone seems to never end and you cringe at the sound and splatter of every blow, no matter how steely your nerves might be.
		Even those who have known combat or prison will have trouble no matter what their experience, because this man was not conscripted.
		He went willingly, laying down his entirety for all.
		And it goes on and on, but pretty compelling stuff.
		I have not yet seen the movie, and it would be interesting to get some comments from some of you who have.
		I certainly will.
		I'm usually the type who will wait for the DVD, which in recent days comes pretty quickly.
		Scientists are doing something rather interesting, I think.
		They've revived primitive life forms, which they retrieved from frozen ground in the Antarctic, and these particular bacteria are believed to be up to 8 million years old.
		The revival of ancient colonies of bacteria was a significant step in helping develop new methods for investigating whether alien life has ever existed or perhaps still does on some other planets.
		Dr. Wilson, who's saying all this, helped lead a 24-member team which has worked on a nine-year project, which is to go to the Antarctic to dig up, to dig deep and find this bacteria that's been asleep for millions and millions of years.
		Soil temperature about minus 27 degrees centigrade, actually.
		So very much asleep.
		And then reviving them.
	They become quickly colonies and begin to grow.
	And I'm a little concerned about this, and maybe, well, maybe we all ought to be.
	I understand they're being certainly as careful as they can, but something could be taken from our very own ground.
	Forget aliens for a moment, our very own ground, something that has been festering and waiting for millions, if not billions of years, to come alive again.
	And we're going and getting it and bringing it alive again, and I'm sure all will be well.
	But I do have some questions about doing this and what we might end up with.
	At any rate, since I talked so long last night about so much of this gay marriage and all the rest of it, this night I am going directly to the phones and let's see what's up with all of you.
	First time caller line, you are on the air.
	Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I wanted to say something about the Passion of the Christ.
		It's on Trinity Broadcasting right now.
		They're showing scenes from it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Scenes, yes.
unidentified		And it's time that the truth was told.
		And I think it's best.
		And my 11-year-old daughter of a minister went to see this, and it completely changed her life.
		But the reason that this was so bad is because the Romans knew this was coming.
		They knew he was coming.
		They were scared to death of him.
		He was from the house of David.
		He was to be the king of Israel.
		And they didn't want anybody from the house of David alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, quite so.
		Let me ask you this, ma'am.
		If the Christ were to return today, do you think the ending would be all that different?
unidentified		Ending?
unidentified		In what way?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in other words, in his second presence on earth, assuming that he came back without having the final Armageddon type job in mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if he were to appear today as he did originally, how do you think he would be treated?
unidentified		A lot differently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really think so?
unidentified		Well, yes, because we're more of a Christian world.
		And matter of fact, I just uncovered some manuscripts from ancient manuscripts that a gentleman sent me.
		And matter of fact, he wasn't the only one they tried to kill.
		John the Baptist, they tried to kill when he was a baby and killed Zacharias because he wouldn't tell where he was.
		His mother ran off With him to the mountains.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, right.
unidentified		You know, I mean, this was part of what they knew this was coming.
		They wanted the whole house of David dead.
		They wanted the whole family dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, believe me.
		Yes, thank you.
		I fully understand.
		Now, I may take the more negative view on things, and in fact, I know I do.
		That's me.
		But I really don't think the outcome would be really different, perhaps in the manner in which it occurs, but I don't think the outcome would be that different today, frankly.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello, Art.
		Hello.
		I got two things to discuss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you?
		All right.
		What is your first name?
unidentified		Michael.
unidentified		Michael.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Michael, what's up?
unidentified		I'm doing fine for tonight.
		The issue, the first issue, would be about gay marriage.
		I'm not opposed to gay marriage because I do not believe that the government has the right to interfere with people's personal relationships, whether they're the same gender or the different gender.
		And I just feel like that even if it becomes illegal, not many people will agree with the new amendment as the federal government made the decision, but most of society actually loosened up their feelings about homosexual behavior.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think an amendment is going to happen, Michael.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, they're proposed for many things, and rarely do they ever go through.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I mean, there are other important things to discuss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like what?
unidentified		And the government right now.
unidentified		How about universal health care?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about it?
unidentified		Canada, the rest of Europe, Japan.
unidentified		I don't want to give you a whole list.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you know what?
		You know what?
		Well, you're proposing universal health care, which is fine, and you served me up a little list of countries that have it.
		But what you should do now, Michael, is go back to the countries that you just mentioned.
		Canada would be good.
		It's our nearest neighbor.
		And look at what they're dealing with with universal health care.
		Yes, they have it, but they're going belly up.
		Hospitals are going broke.
		The taxpayers are going broke.
		The country is going broke.
		So look real hard.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
		I just had a gripe about the gay marriage.
		I just want to know, I'm so curious, and I don't understand it, that why are people so scared?
		Like yesterday, I'm not, you know, I'm not proactive.
		I'm not pro-gay, anti-gay, or any of that.
		I'm not gay, so therefore I don't understand it.
		So I'm not going to judge it, you know?
		And I'm listening to the calls, and I just don't understand why people get so scared religiously.
		They go on, you know, quoting the Bible.
		And I feel as though if you don't want gays to get married, don't let it happen in your church.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But as far as the government's saying, and I was listening to the news today, and the reason you heard the reactions that you heard, hon, is because they feel that the Lord's word says it's an abomination or whatever it is.
		And that's real serious stuff.
		And for religious people, that's their faith.
		That's what they believe.
		And therefore, that's what that is.
		And that's why you hear those reactions.
unidentified		Right.
		But, you know, it's like also at the same time, I mean, I am a religious person, but, you know, also I believe that God is understanding and forgiving.
		And, you know, don't judge thy neighbor.
		So while, you know, I just, well, I guess you're right.
		I'll just let that go.
		And the other thing that I was just saying, I was listening to the news, and they said, the government said that marriage should be defined between one man and one woman.
		Now, what about all the other religions as far as Mormons and some Islamic religions?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here.
		Let me lay this on the line.
		Let's see how people digest this.
		Everybody's talking about the redefinition of marriage.
		Why don't they just make it, define it as follows?
		A union between two humans.
		I thought about that a little bit.
		A union between two human beings.
		Yes, yes?
		And then, of course, the standard laws with reference to brothers and sisters marrying and all that sort of thing remain in place.
		So it doesn't open the door to any of that.
		That's what a lot of people say.
		Oh, it'll open the door to three people getting married.
		Five, maybe.
		Or maybe I want to marry my dog.
		Well, just define marriage as a union between two humans.
		That's all.
		And I just, you know, maybe it would bring down the walls as Rome fell.
		Maybe the walls in Washington would collapse if it happened.
		Maybe the country would go into fiscal implosion or something.
		But I don't think so.
		I think that basically the union would survive.
		I think that marriages that exist now would survive in about the same number as they are now, which isn't that great.
unidentified		I think everybody would survive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Such a thing.
		West of the Rockies, you're on ear.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Tanya from Linden, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, welcome.
unidentified		I'd like to talk a little bit about the life over Phoenix, but first I want to say, and I would like to ask you if you think there are people who are just magnets for the weird stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm having a little hard time hearing you because you're on a cell phone, which is not sounding too good.
		Oh, no.
		But I'll bear with it.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		All right.
		I feel like I'm a magnet for the weird stuff.
		Almost everything that you're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm a magnet for the weird.
unidentified		It's all happened to you, huh?
		Just about all of it.
		You know, from ghosts to the shadow people.
		I have actually seen an alien in 1995.
		I believe it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
unidentified		I believe that it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've been through most of it.
unidentified		I've been through a lot of it.
		And if it wasn't for your show, I may actually, you know, seek help.
		Seriously, but I know that other people have experienced one or maybe two of these things, but all of it?
		A little strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's a thought for you.
		It may be that once you open yourself to this sort of thing, once you lay your psyche open, then it comes to you.
		Because it may be single-sourced somewhere, all of this phenomena.
		So once you have one thing happen, it may be that more happens to you, particularly if you invite it.
		First time caller, whoops, Would have been.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		All right.
		This is Mike.
		Listen, I've got a theory about cattle mutilations, Red Elk's theory about the rings below the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One thing at a time.
unidentified		Okay, it all ties into the.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what is your theory on cattle mutilations?
unidentified		Well, if what Red Elk says is true, then there is a mining operation going on below the ground.
unidentified		Okay, male's hole, he lowered the sheep into the hole, and he came back, and then they said they cut it open, and there was this little creature that crawled out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And jumped out of the house.
unidentified		Right.
		And if this mining operation is going on, Red Elk, I think, said that there were very few females.
		So one of the problems was they would step through these places and mate with women up here.
		Now, if they've got to replenish their supply of workers, then what if cattle make a better host than sheep or this lamb?
		And they could step right through and drop it.
		They couldn't burn them.
		I'm kind of being sarcastic here, but at any rate, okay.
		So now then, what if they know that the Earth is fixing to do some serious change, and so they're going to jump up and they're going to leave?
		Well, what would they do?
		Their ships would be in mothballs, so that would explain them testing the things out with the people in Indiana just hearing the hum underneath.
		And what if these ships run on nuclear waste?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On that note, my friend, I have to go.
		We're at the airport.
		Thank you very much for the call and take care.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll stay in open lines through the top of the hour.
		Then we're going to talk about robotics and small things and some pretty scary things with Jan Newcomb Hodges.
		It's going to be an interesting program.
		Going to be an interesting night.
		As the saying goes, don't touch that dial.
unidentified		I can feel it coming in the air of the night.
		Thank you.
		He's got this dream about finding some land.
		He's gonna give up the dreams and the one night stands.
		And then he'll settle down to a quiet little town and forget about everything.
		But you know he loves Keep on.
		You know he's never gonna stop home.
		Keep going.
		He's the road or the storm.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
		When you wake up, it's a new morning.
		The sun is shining, it's a new morning.
		You're going, you're going home.
		The sun is shining, it's a new morning.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have something that you can do during the coming break.
		Other than, you know, listen to my commercial, which you're obligated to do, but I want you to give this a try.
		I think you all will enjoy this.
		Someone sent this to me an email and it blew me away.
		You ready?
		I want you to try this, all of you sitting there.
		He writes, it's one of the strangest things I've ever encountered in my life to demonstrate left brain, right brain.
		While sitting in your chair or your desk or wherever it is you're sitting right now, lift your right foot off the floor and make clockwise circles with your foot.
		Are you doing that?
		Now, while doing this, draw the number six in the air with your right hand.
		I guarantee your foot will change direction and there's not a damn thing you could do about it.
		Dog about it, you've got to try it.
		So during the break coming up, do that.
		Lift your right foot off the floor and start making clockwise little circles with it.
		And then while you're doing that, draw the number six in the air, a big six with your right hand.
		and then tell me what happens to that leg of yours uh...
		John in Brooklyn, New York blasts me.
		Ha ha ha, Art.
		I'm going to perfect this, and I'm going to make barbecues, and I'm going to get all my beer for free.
		You could do that.
		It is pretty weird, though, isn't it?
		First time calling a line, you're on here hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
		Yeah, I have a comment about the passion movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, have you seen it?
unidentified		Yes, I have.
		Ah.
		And I didn't find it to be anti-Semitic at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, the reviewer said that.
unidentified		I mean, not anti-Semitic, but the article you were reading, her perception, or that, I'm sorry, that person's perception was pretty much right on.
unidentified		I mean, that's definitely not a popcorn movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, was that much impact?
		It grabbed you this person said in the first five seconds and didn't let go.
		Like that?
unidentified		It was a lot like that in the visual sense.
		You know, I have pretty strong personal beliefs in that area, and I actually found the whole account, the rendition as they did it, to me, was quite impersonal, actually.
		But I think they depicted it pretty accurately, and it definitely is an attention getter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can tell you this: if I could travel in time, there's no contest about where I would go.
		That's when I would go.
		I would want to see that for myself.
		And I can't think of any greater question that anybody could answer than to go back and see it for themselves.
		Can you imagine?
unidentified		Oh, it would be a sight, no doubt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I agree emphatically if Christ were to appear today under the same circumstances, he would be executed by the state and at the hands of religious leaders.
		I think you're right on there.
		I don't, you know, it's what he represented, what he is.
		You know, he would be crucified.
		The prophets in his day said, oh, you know, or excuse me, the Pharisees, the leaders, religious leaders in his day said, oh, if the prophets were here, we wouldn't have killed them like our ancestors did.
		And he said, no, you're wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I fully agree.
		In the U.S., he'd probably be declared a national security risk.
		In Islamic countries, top of the hit list right away.
		So would Christ survive today?
		I don't think so.
		No, I don't think so.
		I think the ending would be the same.
		Perhaps the methodology of it all would be different, but the ending would be the same.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Howdy there, Art.
		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Well, my name's Sam and I'm calling from southern San Joaquin Valley.
unidentified		Listening to you on KNZR.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Now, I was a farmer just about all my life.
		And, you know, on this gay marriage issue is what I want to talk about.
		I don't think a religion should be involved in it one way or the other, or maybe even non-religion.
		If 90% of the country was religious and wanted to vote one way, fine.
		If 90% of the country was not religious and wanted to vote one way, well, fine.
		But they missed one point.
		I think in the state, and nobody seems to say this, Bush said it one time, but in the state of California, we voted, or not we, but people voted that against that.
		And then when the judiciary branch goes ahead and does against what people voted for, I think that's maybe what Bush says he's trying to enforce, what people did vote for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, some people would say that President Bush is making a...
		Even I must tell you, an interesting matter.
		I've had hundreds of emails on the subject of gay marriage since I mentioned it last night, hundreds.
		And it's about evenly split in the email.
		But that's perhaps because I, shockingly to some, came out for it.
		And somebody else fast-blasted me and said, hey, by the way, some caller to Georgia show said you were anti-gun.
		Is that true?
		Of course not.
		I've been licensed to carry a concealed weapon for the last 10 or 15 years, whatever, and have guns and am an ardent supporter of the Second Amendment.
		So heavens know that's not true.
		And I think when people hear you take a position that they're shocked to hear you take, like on gay marriage, then they automatically assume, wow, he ate something weird and became a liberal.
		No, I'm not a liberal.
		I'm not a conservative.
		I don't know what I am.
		I'm a political atheist almost, like somebody said once on my show.
		Actually, I just sort of believe in the golden rule, live and let live, and all the rest of that.
		That simple.
		You're fizzed away from my nose, and we're fine, that kind of deal.
		And that's how I form a lot of my opinions.
		Yes, there are important things.
		And no, I don't want to see a constitutional amendment tried, even at the state level.
		You know, if they're going to go that way, it's never going to get through anyway.
		So it's political red herring.
		But it's tossed out in a timely fashion when President Bush is facing a lot of criticism from the left.
		So, yeah, there you are.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hey, good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I'm on WHS here in Louisville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I have a question about your ham rig, but I first wanted to ask you, have you seen The Red Planet, the movie?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Long time ago.
unidentified		Okay, yeah.
		Well, I just got it, and I enjoyed it.
		So if your listeners haven't seen it, it's got Val Kilmer in it.
		It is an excellent movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the kind of movie I go out and get instantly, you know.
unidentified		Fantastic movie.
		On your ham rig, I was just wondering if you could tell me what kind is it and what meter do you talk on?
		And then I wanted to find out about that long wire you just built.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a lot of ham rigs, mostly made by ICOM.
		It's an ICOM 756 Pro 2 specifically.
		What was your other question?
unidentified		I'm sorry.
unidentified		On your meter that you usually run, is it 40 or?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, 75 meters is where I'm normally found, or 160 meters or 40 meters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Though, 75, I would say, more than any other.
unidentified		Okay, great.
unidentified		And then that wire that you just had put up, is it like a long wire?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's technically a loop.
		And I'll give you the breakdown real quickly here, all right?
		The loop is a double loop, about 2,200 feet long.
		The top, it's fed up at 100 feet with 450 ohm twin lead line.
		This is a little technical, but it'll explain to the hams out there what it is.
		Fed up at 100 feet with 450 ohm twin lead, which is tuned by a double inductor tuner without a ballon.
		It is about 2,200 feet long.
		It angles down to about 75 feet on each side, and then takes off in kind of an odd shape.
		It's not a circle or a square.
		It's kind of an odd shape.
		And all the way around, it's 75 feet.
		One wire is 75 feet in altitude, and the other is 68 feet, 7 feet below it.
		And then there's a 4-foot-wide wire mesh screen that's grounded to water wells and all kinds of things going down 160 feet.
		And that mesh screen runs under the loop all the way Around.
		So it's really two wires, about 4,400 feet of number 10 wire, to be specific.
		And then it's got that ground or counterpoise, if you will, underneath.
		So it's a pretty interesting experimental antenna.
		Now it's all up and done and adjusted, and now I get to play with it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Jack in Tucson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Jack.
unidentified		I'd like to say, first off, that review was excellent.
		It was right on the money.
		And I can tell you, I spent almost $10 for the popcorn and a drink, and I don't think I got 10 cents worth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's almost enough to make me jump in the car and go see it in the theater, not wait for the DVD.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there are not many movies I'll do that for, but it sounds like a monstrously important emotional impact on people, and that's what a good movie is, huh?
unidentified		And the great part about it is it's individual.
		You'll get a different experience than I would.
		And you don't have to be a Christian to enjoy it.
		Anyhow, this gay marriage issue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I think it's more about money than it is about marriage, to be honest with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you really think so?
unidentified		Yes, I'll give you a hypothetical, though.
		Probably a little bit extreme in any of this abstract, but hypothetical now.
		My older sister had her tubes tied.
		Her and I are madly in love with each other.
		Do you think we should be able to get married?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, of course not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		By what standard?
unidentified		Would that also apply to people of same sex?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I realize the position you're trying to put me in here with that question.
		But no, I don't think you should be able to marry your sister.
		We have laws against that, and you know why we have laws against that.
		And throwing in the tube-tide business doesn't do it for me either.
		No, I don't think incestuous relationships should be given the stamp of any kind of approval.
		Of course not.
		That's why I said between two adult human beings with the existing laws in place, I'm not suggesting we suddenly allow people to marry four wives or, you know, you shouldn't be able to marry your dog or your cat, right?
		Okay, we can cover all that, can't we?
		Can't we at the same time not go to that extreme and still say, look, you know, if two women or two men really love each other, is it going to kill us or even hurt us if they're allowed to get married and enjoy all the same benefits and community property type things that the rest of us face?
		Will it really bring down the walls of America?
		Well, yes, if you talk to somebody who's very religious, I understand that it is God's word, and I would not begin to try and argue with that because I can't.
		And there is no argument against that.
		But that issue aside, it's no small one, I know, the rest of it, in my way of thinking, I just, I don't see the harm.
		And I don't think that it's going to suddenly convert many people to become homosexual who are not.
unidentified		It just doesn't happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so even though I know most of us are heterosexual, right?
		And it's almost impossible to think of an emotional sexual relationship with somebody of the same sex, it is, it's a fact of life of 10% of the population or whatever.
		And so why shouldn't they be allowed to have all the same joys and all the same sorrows that come with marriage for everybody else and tax benefits or not?
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Art, a passion gray movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you went, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		But, you know, nobody's talking about Satan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was he a big player or just a bit player?
unidentified		He was just a behind-the-scenes kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		And gay marriage, I don't have much problem with it other than everybody that has a problem with it move out of San Francisco, maybe they'll get nuked, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the modern Rome.
unidentified		Yeah, they.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified		Son of a good morrow, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, yes, of course.
		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		I appreciate it.
		And your view on the movie seems to be getting a lot of acclaim, doesn't it?
		I guess maybe I will have to go and see it.
		Maybe this is one of those very rare movies that I'll have to leave my chair for and go see.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		I'm on the air?
		Yes.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Surprise, surprise.
		That's how we do it here.
		We don't screen.
		We just switch it on.
unidentified		My name's Trinity, and I am gay, and I've been listening, so I thought maybe you might have some.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trinity, Trinity.
unidentified		Trinity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trinity.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get into that phone and yell at us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Well, what I heard that you have some gray areas that you're not sure about.
unidentified		Is there some areas or questions that you've heard that I can help respond to?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't feel any gray areas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are gray areas for a lot of people in this.
unidentified		Well, I hear from your voice it's not going to hurt anybody, so why not?
unidentified		But you don't really have any reason to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's true.
		I'm not gay.
		You are.
unidentified		Right, but you're a human being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I don't, you know, I was forced to think about it.
		I mean, they began doing this in San Francisco.
		It hit all the media, and so I just sat back and I said, and, you know, I have been very much against it.
		But I just.
unidentified		And you were against it.
unidentified		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unnatural.
		I don't know.
		It was wrong, unnatural.
		Are you kidding me?
		Come on.
unidentified		Wrong for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the more I thought about it, the more I thought about it, I started thinking, well, why not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, why not?
unidentified		I understand the wrong issue, and I understand it would be wrong for you, but just because something's wrong for one person, again, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the conclusion I came to, yes.
unidentified		Right.
		But it's the last I heard a caller say something about it being a money issue or something like that.
		It goes so much far past that.
		There's about 384 different things that are covered if you are legally married, that you are discriminated against if you are gay.
		And I believe that we're founded on separation of church and state.
		I am a very spiritual person personally.
		I understand, I'm like you.
		You can't even get in an argument with people's interpretation of the Bible.
		I am a Christian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You shouldn't even try.
unidentified		Right.
		I am a Christian, and I don't see it that way.
		I have a very much very, very close, probably closer relationship and more of a devout relationship than most Christians that I know go through.
		And I know in my heart that, you know, God wouldn't give me a a wonderful partner like I have and give me such a precious gift in my life just to throw it in my face.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
unidentified		Right.
		But the civil rights issue is what it boils down to.
		It's it's, you know, it's so many things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to tell you what a lot of people object to.
		A lot of people that I've talked to say, you know, I'm just sick of it being in my face.
		You know, and gays do do that sometimes.
		You know, they really put it in your face.
		But you know what I said, I got into this discussion.
		I said, look, even though the parallel is not a good one because the blacks in America had a much more difficult situation, slavery and all the rest of it.
		But there are some parallels.
		After you get past that, there are some parallels because any minority group that feels they're being persecuted has to get in America political power.
		And the only way you can get political power in America is to get in people's faces.
		And so that goes on.
		And a byproduct of that is a lot of people get angry when it's put in their face like that.
		But there's no other way to get movement in America or for that matter anywhere else in the world.
		You've got to gain political power.
unidentified		Yes, I don't think that the ones who are being in their face, though, are having consciously doing that.
		I think maybe subconsciously they're acting out in that way.
		Kind of like a teenager who's told you're not going to go out Friday night and they throw a temper tantrum about it.
		I'm very respectful of other people and their reactions towards that.
		I don't agree with people being in their face.
		But then again, I don't think it's right to a lot of people to find in your face is holding hands or some simple expression of love.
		I don't believe whether you're gay or straight, you should be having sex in public or making out or just offensive to public in general.
		So I don't see it that way.
		But I do understand that point of view.
		But it's more like having the right to be able, if you spend your life with someone and you're committed to someone, the government rewards marriage because there's two people who are in a committed relationship.
		So there's somebody else that that person is partnering with in life that are committed to helping each other out, which means to the government that they're not going to be running to the government for assistance as often.
		There's stability, there's commitment, they're less of a risk for the government.
		So they reward that by giving them different coverages.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Listen, dear, I got to go.
		We're at the end of the hour, so I got to scoop.
		Thank you very much.
unidentified		No problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And have a good night.
		All right.
		We're going to break here.
		When we come back, we're going to talk about robotics and a whole lot more.
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		You got me thinking that I'm wasting my time, don't win me now No, no, no, no, no Ooh, ooh, ooh I'm feeling up before me now.
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		I'm feeling you're gonna be here.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and I do love my music.
		And I had it rocking so hard in here during that song, the speaker fell right off my table.
		It rocked itself right off the table.
		Yes, I do love music.
		Coming up in a moment, Jan Newcomb Hodges.
		Professor Jan Hodges has been one of the foremost leaders in new technology and innovation for decades.
		In 1978, he founded Hodges Robotics International.
		There, he developed numerous robotic systems for application work in aerospace, ocean exploration, entertainment, nuclear, built the first mobile robot that entered the triple Three Mile Island reactor.
		Want to talk to him about that?
		Then expanded these systems to work in bomb squad operations, firefighting, and space exploration applications.
		In 1985, he managed R ⁇ D operations for automated computerized robotic applications in building the stout B-2 bomber aircraft.
		My mind, since 1990, he has been lecturing, instructing, and developing technology to aid in the modification and repair of nuclear power plants in Spain, Taiwan, Japan, and France.
		Today, while lecturing and producing a year-long series of radio programs, he remains very active in the world of new technology introduction and application.
		So, in a moment comes Jan Newcomb Hodges.
		right where you are.
		Managed to get my speaker back on the table and hook back up again during the break.
		Not bad.
		All right.
		Jan Newcomb Hodges, welcome to the show.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Eric.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to have you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I'm in the high desert in North Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In northern Nevada?
		Yep.
		Okay.
		The areas that we're going into, let me give the audience a little sort of a little preview.
		The limits of electrons, elementary frequencies, let's see, anti-gravity, biocomputers, nanotechnology, teleportation, life frequency mapping, when are the robots going to grow up, the soul and whether we can store it, ghosts, particle communications, radiant energy, time travel, the first Mars colony, ESP.
		My goodness, that's quite a long list of things we could cover.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the places we're going to go tonight, aren't they?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you built the robot that went into Three Mile Island.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Back in 79, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when you built that, or when Three Mile Island happened, correction, I lived in Blue Ridge Summit, Pennsylvania, not very far from it.
		And I remember listening to the radio, and they were telling us, oh, you know, everything's all right, everything's cool.
		Don't worry.
		That sort of thing.
		What was going on?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		A lot of water.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		There was a lot of water in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was thinking about a lot of radiation.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Well, not a lot of scape, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		Yes, I understand all that, but there were releases, but beyond that, how close?
		I have heard we got awfully close there.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How close?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		If they hadn't stopped it, they hadn't got the water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jen, you're going to have to speak up.
		Okay, our phone connection is not very good.
		Oh, I'm sorry.
		That's better.
unidentified		All right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was the pumping system essentially just shut down and the water just started filling up the place.
		The core itself, because the reaction started just heating up superheat.
		And, you know, you couldn't get a straight answer from anybody there because nobody could actually get in there and nothing like this has ever happened before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you come to build the robot that went in there?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I was contacted by Three Mile Island personnel.
		And they said, we have to get in there, we have to decontaminate the walls after the water is drained and allow people to get in there to do the investigation cleanup lessons learned.
		The system they came up with was a little mobile robot system made entirely of stainless steel that could either be run by video operation or umbilical cord.
		And the robot itself could be equipped with spotlights, monitoring equipment, hydrolacing to wash stone walls.
		It had a major gripper on there.
		It could pick up 250 pounds worth of material, move things out of the way, go in.
		Basically, it went in where humans couldn't go first.
		It was a first entry unit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you operate it when it went in, Jen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		No, I trained the operators.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You trained the operators.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really didn't get to see it then when it happened?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a question about a general question about robots.
		I mean, if you grew up when I did, by now, Jen, we were supposed to do every little drudgery in life, everything that we didn't want to do, was supposed to be done by robots.
		That promise has not come true yet.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Interesting thing happened around the late 80s.
		If we can think back to the automotive industry when the car first came out, there were hundreds and hundreds, maybe a thousand smaller car companies that were producing automobiles.
		Each one was like a one-trick pony.
unidentified		It had a special feature.
unidentified		They all had the four wheels and engines and seats.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		But some had maybe better transmission, some had lighting systems that worked better, some electrical.
		They could only sell so many of these things.
		So the larger companies got together and they started buying out all these little companies and taking their innovations and incorporating them into theirs.
		Basically taking two technology sticks and nailing them together and getting a third.
		So what we have now are the basic five, ten major companies.
		Well, the same thing happened in robotics during the late 80s.
		The Japanese got involved, Futaba, General Motors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but even they, even they haven't done that much.
		I mean, they've got these wonderful dancing robots now and stuff.
		That was pretty cool.
		But I mean, the promise, Jan, of robots doing all our work, kaboot, it hasn't happened.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		And The reason for that is when the larger companies took it over, they specifically applied the robots to their needs for their financial gains, for their application.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about Robbie the robot?
		You know, where's Robbie?
		I mean, I want something that will make me what I want, do the dishes, especially do the cat box.
		I mean, the garbage, you know, all these things.
		Life's drudgery.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're not going to get it from the larger corporations.
		You're going to get it from some smaller corporations coming into being that will specifically design units for those applications.
		Unfortunately, we've pretty much reached the limit on mechanical capabilities and computer capabilities for obtaining the applications that we really need right now in robotics.
		Look at the unit on Mars.
		It's got six low wheels.
		It rolls around, has to stop, charge up for a long time, runs a little bit more, stops, charges up.
		We're a long ways from where we should be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We sure are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you think that's all because of big companies, huh?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I was involved in that deeply.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, all right.
		Some of these things, let's hit them.
		I mean, how do you know about all of these different, or why do you, I'll just ask questions.
		Anti-gravity, for example.
		Now there's a fascinating topic, anti-gravity.
		What do you know about anti-gravity?
		I didn't know there was any such thing.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		No, there isn't.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		There's gravity pull and gravity push.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I put a lot of information on my website at Tamachi.biz under the C2C companion material.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm sure we've got a link.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what about anti-gravity?
unidentified		Okay.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Let's say we have a particle floating around out in space or even standing here.
		I'll put it another way.
		We have two ping-pong balls, one in each hand.
		We drop them the same time.
		They will both hit the Earth at the exact same time.
		One can be a cannonball, one can be a ping-pong ball.
		They'll do exactly the same thing.
		Let's take ten ping-pong balls and tuck-tape them together in my right hand.
		I still have a single ping-pong ball in my left hand.
		They drop at the same rate.
		And we think, well, wait a minute, there's more mass there in the ten than there is one.
		The key is each one of those ping-pong balls are trying to get down to the higher concentration all by themselves.
		They're individuals.
		There's ten individuals trying to get down at the same time.
		It's not a big lump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Young?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		All right, so we have particles of a like frequency being attracted by a larger mass of a like frequency.
		All right?
		Now let's say that we take that one ping pong ball, and it's resting there on the Earth, it's having a great time, trying to get down farther, but it can't because it's sitting on the surface.
		There's just too many in the way.
		Let's say we artificially induce a resonance into that ping-pong ball that sounds like maybe 100,000 times more ping-pong balls than it should be.
		It's like putting a volume control on that one ping-pong ball at a specific resonance.
		One ping-pong ball requires, let's say, 20 intervectors below it to be attracted.
		All of a sudden we've got a ping-pong ball that's got 100,000 properties.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're totally confusing me, Jen.
		I don't know what you're talking about.
		How do you achieve anti-gravity?
unidentified		Okay, what it is, is...
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It's the resonance, the vibration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that much I've got.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying that you could vibrate a ping-pong ball at a certain frequency that would cause it to lose gravitational attraction.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		What it would do, the reason the moon sits out where it is, is the exact size it has to be for the mass.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		But can you demonstrate that scientifically?
		I mean, can you cause a ping-pong ball to rise up off the floor?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Not a ping-pong ball, but a plate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A plate?
		That's fine.
		A plate is good.
		You mean like a dinner plate or a what?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It's a metal plate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A metal plate.
		And you can do that by inducing a vibration in it.
		What kind of frequency do you have to reach, and what sort of amplitude?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it has to be a specific frequency of that element.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It has to be a pure element plate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It can't be a compound because I'm resonating every single particle in that plate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I think I'm with you now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So for whatever element the plate is made of, you need a particular resonance.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you give me an example?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's say the plate is made of.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It could be anything.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It could be pure copper, let's say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Copper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		And I vibrate it with a frequency such as francium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Frequency or frenzyum?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It's probably the rarest element on the planet.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		There's only about an ounce of it that exists any one time on the Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what would the frequency of that be?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I have it on the website.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I'll just have to look it up.
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Now, so let's say this copper plate is actually vibrating at 50 pounds of francium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		You know, the volume.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		The Earth does not have a link, an attraction of that vibration in that amount of space to support that amount of material.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand the theory, Janet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you done this?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I've done it to a small degree.
		I can bounce the thing around to get it to float.
		See, the problem we have is when you get it up, it's going to try to shift.
		It's like if you take two magnets and put north and north together and you let go of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you can get it up, but it's not stable, is what you're saying.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		You're going to need some type of vector control on the plate itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you're telling me that you have started the process of lifting the plate.
unidentified		Yeah, I've been doing it for about five years now, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And do you think that this application, as you've described it, could be fitted into some sort of craft that could You do.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		Let's say that we have the generator itself on board the craft.
		Let's say to lift, we crank it up to 100,000 times whatever it's supposed to be.
		We lift up at some other distance.
		The farther up we go, the less intensity we need on that plate.
		So we turn it down.
		We get up about halfway to the moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		The moon starts attracting us.
		We turn it back up, slowly descend to it, slingshot around, just keep on going.
		If you want to land, just turn it up and just do a control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you, Jan, come upon this idea or a conclusion?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did this come to you?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Man.
		Boy, I've been working on this stuff for about 25 years.
		And it seemed like one thing led to another.
		When I had the robots, it was like when we ran back in 79 and 80, we didn't have a lot of computers back then.
unidentified		We had the Z80 Zilog.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		That's about it.
		We could put in some basic programming, but nothing real spectacular.
		It was all on disk.
		More computers came out faster and faster.
		We were able to put in reprogrammable programs in there.
		The robot can then do 30,000 points of movement.
		Control speed.
		We got the servos.
		Things started growing faster and faster.
		I got to a point where I needed a robotic system with probably the capability of thinking almost as fast as the human brain.
		I started getting a little farther than what I needed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're drifting away from the phone again there, Jan.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		And what I found was that I couldn't get anything to go as fast as I wanted to in the computer system because silicon breaks down at 700 gigahertz, or yes, 700 gigahertz.
		Okay.
		So that kind of led me to the next phase of what would I use to control a computer system, the clocking system.
		So I started experimenting with this and I started getting into the particle physics and getting deeper and deeper and I came up with, I charted every frequency of every element and its waypoint.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		So in other words, the work on robotics slid you into the work on what really is anti-gravity.
		I mean, where do you take this from here?
		If you really have anti-gravity, this is no small matter.
		This is a gigantic thing.
		So what do you do with it now?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		That's just one of the things I have.
		It's all part of an overall approach of what's coming next.
		We can probably get in as the as the time goes along here, we'll cover probably every single aspect of how this all comes together, what is actually coming.
		Through the particle generation system that I needed to clock a computer faster, I found I needed something up in the ectahert range, which is totally impossible.
		We have nothing that can generate those kind of signals.
		So I started getting up to the terahertz operations, which is in the infrared.
		And one thing kind of led to another, and I came up with systems like the nanotechnology, carbon nanotubes, things like this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You used carbon nanotubes?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I'm working with those now, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm told that carbon nanotubes could actually be constructed in something called a space elevator, which would be literally an elevator from Earth into orbit.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's an application for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is.
		NASA actually is saying they could actually build an elevator into space.
		Pretty cool.
		And so these nanotubes, you're working with these nanotubes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what I'm working with is the moments that reside within the seconds.
		I've kind of got out of the one-second universe and started getting deeper and deeper into the femtoseconds and the etoseconds.
		That seems to be where all the answers are like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You must have some sort of gigantic laboratory or where is it you conduct this work?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		High desert, northern Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		High desert in northern Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, at home?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, close to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Close to home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've got quite a lab put together?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would have to, I mean, to be into some of this technology.
		Certainly at the nanotube level, my, my, that's a lot of pretty fancy stuff in a lab.
		So how long have you been doing this?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I've been presently working on these projects since 92.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		92.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you really have gone this far with so many things, why do you think the government has not yet grabbed you and your stuff up?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I work closely with a lot of agencies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you do?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You remind me of the guy in the movie The Core, you know, where they go out into the desert and he's got this machine already made that can bore into the earth.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I didn't see that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't?
		Oh, you really ought to.
		You'd probably enjoy that.
		The same sort of wild inventor that you apparently are.
		Is that how you term yourself, by the way, Jan, as an inventor?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Geez.
		I give my lecture series.
		I'm always introduced as the future technologist and this and that and the other.
unidentified		Somebody has to put a label on me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody needs a label, Jan.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		We just can't find a label for me yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll work on it during the program here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm beginning to get a little bit of a sense of you, so I'm sure we'll come up with something.
unidentified		Nano 2s, robots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The soul of man.
		We're going to get to that yet, too.
		Can you store the soul?
		Jan apparently knows.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly is.
		Jan Newcomb Hodges is my guest.
		He's a...
		I haven't thought of a moniker yet.
		He's an inventor, obviously.
		He's a tinkerer, obviously.
		And he's come up with some pretty fascinating things if you want to begin with anti-gravity, and we'll cover a lot more with him.
		Fascinating guy.
		And by the way, we've got him on a different telephone.
		We'll see if we've got an improved situation in a moment.
unidentified		We'll see if we've got an improved situation in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jan, are you going to pursue this anti-gravity technology to the next step?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, are you going to try and really cause something to levitate?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, the problem on this art is money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Jan, again, your telephone is not coming through well at all, buddy.
		Yeah, try that.
		All right.
		Your lips have got to touch it.
		Really, I'm serious.
		Put your lips against the phone.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there you go.
		All right, so this is interesting stuff.
		I mean, of course the problem is money.
		How much money, for example, would you need to take it to the next logical step to actually demonstrate levitation, anti-gravity?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It's in phases.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		The first phase you're going to need is to come up with the generator that is stable enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're breaking up on me, Jan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is going on over there with your phone?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		No, no, it's Northern Nevada or something here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on a portable phone now, right?
		Yes.
		Yes, that's what I thought.
		Sit right next to the base unit, Jan.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we'll wait until you can get next to the base unit.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I'm right next to the base unit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's much better.
		Much better.
		Okay, good.
		Let's proceed.
		Now, here we are.
		Anti-gravity, a very serious thing, might get us to the stars.
		I would imagine once you would have left the atmosphere with something like you're claiming, that a great deal of acceleration could then, with a lot less power, be applied, right?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought so.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		All you're going to be doing is turning up the intensity to the resonance of the plates to slingshot, basically, attract and repel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how much money would you need to take this to the next logical point?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It would be in the 100 million, easy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of money.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the problem is, Art, that most of this technology has not been actually invented yet.
		It's been pieces and parts like throwing together leftover components.
		We should be about 50 years in the future right now, technology-wise.
		We really should be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's how a lot of inventions are perfected or discovered.
		I guess, you know, with people like yourself in very small labs, that sort of thing.
		And sometimes, maybe in this modern world, it's pretty difficult to get someone to believe and understand that you have something that's real.
		And I just don't know how you do that.
		What have you done, Jan?
		Have you approached people?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I have a number of concerns.
		Lots of investors and a lot of applications, a lot of companies, in all the areas of my development.
		The desalinization, the medical systems, the power systems, the generators.
		It's waiting for the next step in technology to kick this all off.
		I can't sit around and invent everything.
		Even the test tools, I have to invent.
		It's a very, very slow process.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So let's hit one of the other ones.
		My gosh.
		For example, teleportation.
		I mean, we've all seen it on Star Trek, where you can move something or somebody from point A to point B, boom, like that.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you know about this?
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		We're not...
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		What you're doing is you're scanning it like on a television, one particle at a time.
		Each particle has its own resonant frequency, its own signature.
		As You scan that particle, you're saving that string of data on what that actually is.
		What you are then doing is transporting that data, no different than transporting a GIF or a JPEG over the internet.
		It goes into the receiver unit and with the duplicate generator, then recreates that image, that material.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right?
		Okay, I think.
		In other words, I understand the concept of scanning something.
		Right.
		But I don't grasp how you actually transmit and break down molecular to the molecular level.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I'm not breaking down molecular.
		I'm getting the data.
		A particular, say an orange.
		An orange has a signature.
		If I was to scan that orange, I have an analogy that I use a lot in my lectures.
		I have a football stadium, and I bring in 50,000 people, and they watch this football game.
		I put a microphone over that stadium, and I record the din of that crowd.
		Tuesday night, cloudless, 62 degrees.
		All the conditions are controlled.
		I then, from that combined signal, get one signature, one frequency.
		The next night I bring in 50,000 more people.
		Maybe more women, maybe more children.
		Exact same conditions.
		And I put the microphone, I check it again.
		Both of those signatures are going to be different.
		Okay?
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		If you scan a particle, you will get that signature, that din.
		That orange puts off a din.
		And you can go right down to the individual element itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This also springs from the other technologies that you were discussing a little while ago, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everything at its vibrational level.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so what are you telling me, that you could take an orange and scan it and then end up with that orange also turning up at a receiving site 10,000 miles away?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		A copy of the orange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A copy of the orange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could a person pick it up and peel it and eat it?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I believe so.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		But it wouldn't taste like an orange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would it taste like?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm going to go into something.
		Well, this is the show to do it.
		All right.
		I can scan every single element that exists and get a signature.
		Get a specific resonant bandwidth for that particular element.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got that, yes.
unidentified		All right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I cannot scan life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It's in the higher frequencies.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It's above the elements.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that interesting?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		So if I transported a flower, an ant, a mouse, anything, I made a copy, I could not transport the life frequency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you would end up with a dead mouse?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		A dead mouse, an orange with no taste, cells that would not be alive.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you successfully transported anything at all?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		No, Art.
		I need the generators.
		I need the bucks.
		But all the formulas, all the calculations show that, yeah, it can be done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But until you've done it, how do you really know that you could do it?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess you just have to go on faith.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		This is what keeps us inventors going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is all based on the same base technology, anti-gravity, teleportation so far that we've discussed, all based on your central concept of the frequency of virtually everything.
		Is that correct?
		Correct.
		All right.
		So you couldn't scan and deliver life, and yet you claim something about the soul here.
		Are you saying we can store the soul that we can, in effect, download or store the soul somehow?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay, as a radio man, as electronics whiz, you understand that any electronic device above, such as a television, can recreate every device below it.
		Radio.
		You need all the components that led up to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not quite clear on what you're saying.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		You're going to need audio, you're going to need power supply, you're going to need all the various components that led up to a television.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		And they were all invented in a sequence.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		First was the diode, then one thing after another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, indeed, yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		So it was a natural progression of a technology that eventually evolved into the television and even farther.
		Now, the television with its screens, we knew what we wanted by replacing the screens with plasma, and it just kept developing.
		In order to scan all of these elements, you need a scanning device that's above those frequencies to read down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you said that life couldn't be scanned, that it was higher.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		But what if we, after we developed the scanner that could scan all the elements, the next step would be a generator that could go into the life frequency level?
		What you would have then is a transporter with two ports.
		You would have one that would transmit all the elemental and one that would transmit the soul, if you will, the life frequency.
		Now, but when you get that level, you're not dealing with electronics anymore.
		You're dealing with bio systems.
		You're going to have a generator developed from a biomaterial because you have to be above to read below.
		All right, so we have our little gel cell or whatever.
		When we transport or make a copy, we could actually, again, this is in the future something to think about.
		We're here just to use our imagination a bit.
		But if we had a generator that could actually recreate, make a copy of, or actually modulate that life frequency, could not we actually could store it in a biological cell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what are you talking about when you say can we store a soul?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, even okay, let's say that you could get to the right vibrational level, and how do you store a soul?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Back to the football stadium analogy.
		Each one of those on the Tuesday night and the Wednesday night had the same stadium, the same conditions.
		That is like the material.
		That's the brain, that's the skull.
		But what is inside there?
		All those people, that is what we could deem as the soul.
		Every individual has a specific frequency.
		We all have the same physical makeup, but we have different life frequencies.
		If we looked at this, let's say we had a 96-bit number of a soul frequency, of a life frequency.
		Maybe the first 80 would mean human being, blah, blah, blah.
		And maybe the last 15 or so would be specifically your number.
		It could be down to the last digit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It figures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the end, I'm going to have a number.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Such as life, I guess.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Soul number 800-400-whatever.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Like let's say the first day of school, all the five-year-olds get in line, go into the little chamber, listen to some music.
		They come out.
		They've been scanned.
		They have a life frequency number.
		That follows them forever.
		That's their social security.
		That's their driver's license.
		On and on and on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I suppose if all of that were true, and if we do, in effect, have individual numbers, I mean, it's always been said we're like individual little snowflakes.
		Well, we all have a number.
		God knows the government would get our number for sure.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So is this, don't you worry a little bit about this future that you're describing?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I live in that future every day.
		We'll get into that a little later.
		Let's say, let's go back to bandwidths.
		Have you ever walked up to somebody and instantly liked that person?
		You don't know why.
		And you always use the phrase, we're on the same wavelength, tuned in.
		That person maybe, his last four digits happen to match yours.
		It's like a perfect chord on a piano.
		You're in the same bandwidth.
		You're not the same number, but you're there.
		You have a link.
		You don't know why.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		But you come across somebody else, you say, there's something about him that just rubs me along.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		You don't have to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No dislike.
		No question about it.
		Of course, we've all experienced it.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		He's a bad court.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's just...
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		You've got some cross-frequency modulation that's like nails on a chalkboard.
		So let's say, we're going a little bit deeper in this thing.
		Let's say when those five-year-olds went into that chamber and they started tracking all these numbers, throwing these numbers on and on and on for 300 years.
		All of a sudden, a child is born, sits down, three years old, and plays a piano.
		Where in the heck did that come from?
		And they go back to the database 300 years ago, and the exact number down to the last digit was some famous piano player.
		What does that mean?
		Are we just receivers of an existing cosmos, of a continuous frequency that's out there?
		And we're just little radios?
		Could be.
		You know, that's the future.
		It's things that a number of people will work on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then there's this, what's your sign business, life frequency mapping.
		Well, I presume if you believe we can do all that, then we could indeed map somebody's life frequency.
		And once we've got that, out of curiosity, what kind of control do you imagine we would have over that person?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Probably do I dare scare everyone?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure, on this show, of course.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		You're familiar with frequencies.
		I know this.
		We take two speakers of a perfect sine wave, a thousand cycles, and we point them at each other.
		What happens in the middle?
		They cancel each other out, essentially.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		What if I had your exact frequency?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what if?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was my question.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		And I make a transmitter or a speaker that could transmit, emit that exact frequency of you.
		Yes.
		What would happen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's my question.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		You would be turned off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd be turned off.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I believe it would probably void you out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn me off.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I think it would probably turn you off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Jan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had that, there'd be a lot of, there'd be a big market for you.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A really big market.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could just turn people off.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, this is who knows?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		We're not going to be around long enough to find that out, but it's a real possibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Radio frequency identification, RFID.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		RFID.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what we're talking about here?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in a way, though.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Sort of.
		Yeah, we can get into that.
		Let's do that.
		Probably I'll fellow the audience in on what RFID actually is.
		Radio frequency identification, or RFID, is the application of little transponder radios onto items, such as automobiles, pallets, trucks.
		And when these little radios pass a reader, the little radio transmits its information into the reader that goes into a database.
		Now the data that's transmitted from these little tags could be nothing as small as just a little serial number, 12345.
		In the database, 12345 means pallet number 7 full of oranges that left Cleveland on its way to Dallas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
		Now, there's two types of RFID presently: there's passive tags.
		Now, a passive tag has no battery.
		We can get real small with these guys.
		We can get down to a chip the size of a pencil point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're putting them in cats and dogs and stuff.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Right, they are.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That can be read close.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It has to be close, right?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		You have to be probably within 12 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But then there's the active ones.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the active tags have batteries on board.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Now, the active tags can be read from probably as far as maybe 100 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or maybe even by a satellite.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Maybe even by a satellite if you have some type of inductance link to help it along.
		There's another way that active tags are being activated these days or by passing a little device that turns the tag on and the tag just transmits.
		Now these little active tags can contain a ton of information.
		They can contain the entire manifest within a truck, within a ship.
		United States military has been using this for about 12, 14 years on every container.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I wonder how many people really know this stuff is going on.
		It is.
		Jan, hold on.
		We're at a breakpoint here.
		Everything will eventually have a number.
		Everything will eventually be tagged, probably with little active tags.
		And everything, including you, me, all of us, will all be kept track of.
		That day is coming.
		Right now, we're talking about that day with Jan Newcomb Hodges.
		I'm Art Bell.
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		To lie in the meadow and hear the grass sing, How these things in our memories hold these music?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and Jan Newcomb Hodges, and you know, under other conditions, I might be inclined to say Jan Newcomb Hodges sounds like a mad inventor.
		But we're talking about the man who invented the first robot that went into the Three Mile Island reactor and things like that.
		He's done so much robotic work for, you know, bomb squad operators, spaceflight application, that sort of thing.
		So he's not a mad inventor.
		And yet, some of what he's saying sounds mad, doesn't it?
		The frequencies of things and people can be read, duplicated, transported, that we all, in the end, will have numbers that, in effect, our soul would even have a number.
		All of this is pretty wild stuff, but it's coming from a man who's done a lot of real-world stuff.
		we'll get right back to it I can consider the possibility, Jan, that everything, and even living beings on a frequency yet farther up, have a vibrational level, an actual frequency.
		Frequencies are nothing but rates of vibration.
		And so everything indeed could have a frequency.
		And so maybe the technology you're working on, maybe there really is something there, I guess is what I'm saying.
		Listen, time travel is something you claim to know something about.
		The same technology, same application somehow?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's very close.
		It's making a copy of, it's not even a copy, it's transmitting data.
		You can transmit information.
		Every communication system, every network requires a physical connection of some kind.
		Now, the physical connection in our case is wires, fiber optics, things like that.
		On the level of time and souls, if you will, we're talking in the particle level.
		We're transmitting on the particle level.
		You have electrons, which are these big bowling balls, surrounded by particles.
		Now, the particles themselves carry the information.
		They're streaming just like a carrier wave.
		Now, the great part of a particle is I can give you, I have to do an analogy on this one just to get a little bit more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to get too technical.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		No, no, this is going to be an easy one.
unidentified		Okay.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Imagine you're standing in a room and your back Is against one wall and you have a hat on.
		You begin to walk across the room.
		Every step you take, your belly gets a little bit bigger, and your back is still touching the wall at every step.
		All right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		You're some kind of a magical man.
		Halfway there, you're in the middle of the room.
		Your back is still touching the wall you left, but your stomach is now touching the other wall.
		All right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I suppose.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		That is called absorption.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		As you start moving closer to the other wall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's discomfort.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's definitely a lot of discomfort.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Yes.
		So by the time you get to the other wall, your stomach is touching the wall and you're back to your normal size.
		Now, when you were halfway across the room, your hat was moving, let's say, at the speed of light.
		How fast was your stomach going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Faster?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, faster.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so when you bang a particle, the particle goes into absorption and it will grow to the size of an electron.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		And then it goes into emission and back down to its normal size.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, having said all that, time travel, what do you mean time travel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you mean actual physical?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean information from the past?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Information from the past or the future?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I believe you can transmit it both ways.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		in what form and really good That's all right.
		skip how and tell me the end product.
		A newspaper from the future?
		A newspaper from the past?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		If you have the receiver that can encode that information, yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it's a little about that thing we hear about called entanglement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Entanglement, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We were talking about that last night, yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		You're going to be able to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two things, or one thing being in two places at the same time.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quantum entanglement, yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Creating a communication link physically.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Now, the physical link in this case is particle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my guest last night said, as strange as it may seem, with entanglement, there is no communication going on.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		There's no direct communication.
		What is happening is both receiver and transmitter have enough information that the protocol itself, whatever is being transmitted, can be so short to activate an entire packet of information.
		Let's say we have a dog.
		We say sit.
		The dog really doesn't know what sit means, but he knows that sound is, he has to respond in a certain way to get a treat.
		He knows all the motor functions.
		He knows everything required to do that.
		You are one portion of that.
		He is the other portion.
		Communication could be nothing more than an eye movement, a hand movement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Let me stop you for a second.
		2020, maybe this will fit in with what you're talking about.
		2020 did this really strange piece a few years ago, Jan, in which they would put a camera in a dog owner's home.
		And with that camera, they would monitor the dog.
		And then the owner of the dog, who was at work, would start home at an earlier time.
		I mean, if he normally came home at 6 o'clock in the evening, the TV show would have him start home at 1 in the afternoon instead.
		Well, how bizarre is this, Jan?
		In every case, the dog began to agitate, go to the door, knew that their owner was about to come home at a totally outrageous time.
		Somehow, that dog knew.
		In case after case after case, it was true.
		Every time they'd start the owner home, the dog knew it.
		How, Jan?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		That is the communication link between the frequencies.
		The information is being passed on that wavelength, whatever that happens to be that's already been established.
		The link was made, and the information packets are passing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you see, other scientists are saying, no, I mean, that idea is wrong.
		That communication is not going on.
		But I believe they're only saying that because they have not yet detected where it's going on.
		To me, in my mind, I'm a logical person.
		There has to be some communication at some level that we don't yet understand or it couldn't be happening.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		It's identical twins separated at birth.
		They get together 50 years later.
		They married almost identical tight people.
		They drive the same car.
		They have the same jobs.
unidentified		Right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It's a very small version of entanglement, but it sort of kind of taps on that a little bit for our limited minds to try to understand this type of thing.
		You know, the communication link is not a physical one, such as phone lines and touching and line of sight.
		It's up into...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jan, this is out on the edge of, you know.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm out in the middle of nowhere.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I'm communicating with those all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I meant I'm out on the edge of what I can reasonably grasp with what we're talking about here.
		You know, I'm pretty grounded in electronics and some science, but you're way out there beyond what I understand, but not beyond what I can grasp as perhaps having meaning.
		And the technology you're describing does make sense, actually.
		And so you think then that time travel, in the sense of retrieving information from the past or even the future, would be possible developing the technology we've been talking about all evening, right?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Correct, correct.
		Now, we talked about transmitter and receiver or the device that actually sends that information in some way of receiving it.
		It could actually be human beings.
		It could be us.
		Visions of the future we get.
		Visions of the past.
		We have all this stuff.
		Where's this stuff coming from?
		How do I get this premonition?
		How do I know how to play the piano?
		I've Never played piano before.
		Stuff like this, where is this information coming from?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, it has to be coming from somewhere because it's real, Jan.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's all real.
		I've experienced it, so it has to be happening at some level that we can't yet measure.
		And maybe you're on to it.
		I don't know.
		You even have something to say about ghosts, don't you?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do.
		For those of you that have a computer, can get on my site and go to the Coast-to-Coast material.
		There's an actual picture that one of my associates in Singapore had sent me about two months ago from a monastery.
		And what you're looking at basically is a phase shift.
		Something is existing in a moment in time that we're not part of.
		But with our digital cameras, because the 256 or the 3 meg or whatever we're using in that lens do not fire all at once.
		It would totally drain the battery and it wouldn't make any sense to the system.
		They're firing in a sequence, and one of those pixels or 10 of those pixels pick up something within a nanosecond, a femtosecond, or something that we can't see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've got something I want to try out on you.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jan.
		This whole, I'm sure if you've heard the program before, you've heard the term shadow people and people talking about it.
		Well, what we've noticed is that in this computer age, just about everybody now has a computer, nearly everybody.
		And when you stare at a monitor, your brain is beginning to adjust to what the monitor's flicker rate is.
		And that's a different vibrational rate than we otherwise experience.
		That can give you a headache or it can make you nauseous or something.
		But you know what?
		It can also, I think, open a little bit of a glimpse occasionally into something that is operating at a different vibrational frequency and we don't normally see, but because we've been adjusted, in effect, by watching that monitor, we can suddenly, and for a brief period, see something we wouldn't ordinarily see.
		Does any of that make sense?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It certainly does.
		We began crawling around in caves and operating on a one-second universe.
		Basically, everything we did based on the sun coming up and going down one second at a time.
		We had five senses that dealt very well with that time frame.
		We saw things in X amount of time.
		We could taste things.
		We heard things within X amount of frequencies.
		As we progress now in technology, we are developing devices to enhance our five senses.
		They've served us well.
		Now we're getting into a section where we're developing devices that are outside of our senses.
		And as you said, the flickering radon on a monitor, that is not part of our one-second universe.
		That's starting to split the moments finer and finer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Every now and then, our brain kind of locks into that little clocking mechanism in our system, including our visual cortex and everything else, our human nucleus, the guys call it, and we get out of phase just for a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now what exists between the moments?
		And we're starting to see that stuff on digital cameras.
		We're starting to record it.
		And we're starting to feel it.
		A lot of people are physically experiencing it.
		A lot of psychics have developed the ability to tune themselves outside the phase, just a bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, these are the words.
		You ask psychics, how do you do what you do?
		And you get a variety of responses, depending on that person's, I don't know, predispositions, I suppose.
		But basically, they all say a lot, very much the same thing, that there's some sort of vibrational something or another they tap into.
		And this is why I think you might be on to something here.
		And they have a hard time putting in words what they do.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's very hard.
		We perceive it as feelings.
		You ever see something out of the corner of your eye for a second?
		You turn around and stone.
		But you had a feeling just before that.
		Now, what was that feeling?
		That was some weird cross-modulation on your frequency, your little aura around you.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		And every now and then, you can catch it.
		Now, because at that frequency range up in the ectohertz, there's no light.
		A photon has not completed a complete cycle of emission or absorption and emission within a femtosecond.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you give me your tossing terms around ectohertz?
		What in the world is that?
		I know most of them.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Ectohertz.
		I'll think of one quadrillionth of a second.
		Okay.
		I know you can't think that.
		I can't even think that, but that is basically the speed.
		Between, let's say, an attosecond, which is almost there, an nanosecond and a minute is like one hour and all of the time it's ever been.
		That's how fast it is.
		Imagine the things that are happening within the seconds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, potentially entire worlds.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		And we're getting close because of our increasing electronic development, although we haven't really got to where we should be.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		We're going to crash out at about 700 gigahertz and silicon breaks down, and then we're going to go to the next phase, which is probably biological material, biocomputers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, sure.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		But when we get to biocomputers, we're going to have a problem there.
		Who in the world is going to program them?
		You're going to need AI programs.
		They're written in packets.
		One analogy I give is when I mention the word Star Wars.
		You just thought of the entire movie, every second, front to back, every character, the music.
		You did that in a quadrillionth of a second.
		It wasn't linear.
		It was a packet.
		That's what a biocomputer is going to do.
		Think that fast in packets.
		How are you going to write a software program for that?
		One thing is going to lead to another.
		I talked to a lot of my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe at some point the computers begin to write for themselves.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Aha!
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Now we're starting to get into colonization of Mars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How so?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		The first colonies of Mars are probably going to be pretty advanced, semi-autonomous that's a loose word.
		Robotic systems that we can call them exoskeletons that which People ask me, why do we want to go to Mars?
		To live there?
		I think, no, not really.
		We want to go there to explore, to obtain materials, maybe a jumping off point to the next wherever we're going, because as humans, we've got to explore.
		We're just boring ourselves to death right now.
		So what we're going to do is probably some robotic, have a robotic colony.
		Robots that fix robots, robots that do all kinds of stuff controlled by human-based operators on particle communications.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're basically saying machines or biological machine combinations will colonize Mars.
unidentified		Yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It'll be tied into human operators.
		We won't be on Mars.
		It's just we'll be here physically.
		But our being will be on each one of those little systems, and each one of those will be a special unit operated by an expert system operator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I get the idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, ultimately, your technology could allow a person here on Earth to be on Earth and on Mars.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bingo.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Now, the problem we're going to have, which we've had up to this point, has been the communication lag.
		Well, when we start getting up into particle communications, that lag is going to go way down.
		And again, that's a whole other industry.
		You're going to need the generators and the systems.
		So we have so much to do, and it's going to be great fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thinking about all of this, Jan, and even developing prototypes and that sort of thing, how do you keep from starving to death?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I'm very busy with a lot of projects.
		I can't mention the companies I'm with.
		The departments I'm representing, the agencies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you talk to the guys, you're employed by the guys in the suits.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I have suits in my life, yeah.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		In many countries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In many countries, really.
		Now, doesn't that occasionally get sensitive?
		I mean, if you're approached by another country, they've got to be a pretty good friend of ours, don't they, for you to be able to reasonably talk to them about some of this technology?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes.
		Which probably brings us into my latest patent.
		Let's go back to RFID for a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		We covered passive and active technology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Now, when we get down to, let's say we want to put a chip on an orange and a pack of gum, well, that's totally ludicrous because not only is the chip probably cost more than the gum, maybe you can get it down to five cents, but you're going to need an antenna.
		People don't think about that.
		Especially two or three inches.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		know that that's right you're gonna need That I do want to hear.
		So we'll get that when we get back from the break.
		Gee, I wonder if he's patented the chip that they're going to be sliding into you pretty soon.
		Huh?
		The one that you'll be able to put in your palm of your hand there and slide it over something and buy anything you want, do anything you want, long as you take the number?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got to wonder a little bit if Jen Newcomb Hodges working in a quiet but well-equipped laboratory in northern Nevada, connected with a whole bunch of three-letter agencies, he says, and an inventor of things that move people's souls,
		allow time travel, levitation, anti-gravity, working with a technology that would allow all of this, is The man who just filed the patent for the device that may be getting under your skin sometime soon.
		We're about to find out.
		Music Once again, we're talking with Jan Newcombe Hodges, who sounds a lot like a mad scientist, but he in fact is the man who built the robot, the first one that went into Three Mile Island.
		He's done a lot of really serious work, including on the B-2 stealth.
		You've got to take him seriously.
		He's talking about a technology from which springs all kinds of things like teleportation, anti-gravity, the movement of the soul, the very soul, our soul.
		It explains so much ghosts.
		Perhaps a shadow people.
		It will eventually allow humans to colonize Mars because you're there in a new way.
		All through the study, really, of frequency, the frequencies of things and people.
		They're all individual.
		Okay, back to your patent.
		You've got a patent on what?
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All that lead-up, and he's not there.
unidentified		Lost him on the phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I guess we're going to have to call him up to find out what that is.
		Let's try it.
		Maybe his portable phone pooped out or something.
		Let's see.
		Try here.
		You would think somebody with that much technology would have a telephone that we could connect with more easily.
		Let's see.
		You there?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I gave you this great introduction.
		Anyway, it came down to asking you about your patent.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		You were mentioning earlier placing chips into people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		My technology, we talked earlier about particles and nanotubes and all this.
		My latest patent is, we call it smear, a liquid code.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Smear, huh?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		which is an acronym for Someone came up with this word, so we went with that.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		What it is, it's a powder, a very fine powder, crystalline salt nanostructure that can be put into any liquid, any paint, any porcelain, and be read just like a passive tag.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's say I get a new car.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		The primer paint, 5% of the surface has got the bin number in it.
unidentified		that cool or what uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you have a i do i do And again, though, what you're calling the bin number is actually the particular vibrational level, right?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a sequence of frequencies that activate an output of a number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		I think I've got it.
		And I, you know, how many, hey, Jan, how many people like you out across the country do you suppose there are working in small labs on the kinds of things that you're working on?
		How common or uncommon are you?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Pretty uncommon, are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty uncommon.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Great demand from a lot of places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So your actual patent is for.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It's for the process and the actual everything to do with embedding visibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not exactly a chip, then, is it?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
		It's the next step up.
		Chips are electrons.
		This is particle stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what, then?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would potentially inject me with something like this?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		No, I wouldn't do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, suppose you wanted to implant the result of this patent in me.
		How would that be done?
		That's what I'm asking.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I'm totally opposed to this whole thing of identifying people, tagging people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, wait a minute.
		Whoa.
		You're dead flat.
		How can you say that?
		You're dead flat in the middle of the development of the technology that would allow that.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so then how can you be against it?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Who's the gatekeeper of this technology now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know because I don't know if it exists.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I have the patents.
		I have all the rights.
		I'm totally opposed to using this on people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I knew something like this was going to come along.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It was the next step in the evolution of nailing the two technology sticks together to get a third.
unidentified		It's called embedded visibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Embedded invisibility.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Embedded visibility.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		So in order to not get this out in the wrong hands, I control anything that even comes close to this development.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, did you say invisibility or visibility?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Visibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Visibility, I thought so.
		Okay.
		All right.
		So embedded visibility, that would mean, in essence, everybody has a number.
		Everybody could be turned off once that number is known or reprogrammed or God knows what.
		And you control the technology and you're going to what?
		Just control it and not allow it out?
		Is that what you're worried about?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		To a certain degree.
		Let's say I walk into Singapore with a United States $1 bill and I put it in a cult machine.
		The court machine reads that number without touching it, without seeing it, has tracked that dollar bill from the moment it was made, who carried it, on and on and on.
		Gives you the change back in Singapore dollars and gives you your drink and tied into a central database that tracks the movement of this particular dollar bill.
		Now this goes down to a box of cereal, could go down to an automobile.
		This is ways of tracking item level visibility, embedded visibility.
		It's the next step in the RFID.
		We call it the supply chain visibility.
		And yes, I did this because I didn't want it to go in the wrong hands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess you know that if the government, for example, wants this and they have reason to believe it really exists, your patent isn't going to stop them.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		No, but that's why I work with these people.
unidentified		To it can be controlled.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It can be controlled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you think that you control these people as opposed to the other way around?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		But I know how the stuff goes together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Kind of glimpsing into my world a little bit there now, Art, you can see my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I can.
		And I think you probably lead a very interesting life.
		I would imagine, and you really think that you are in control of this technology, that it's not going, that they are not going to misuse it.
		In what way can you prevent that?
		Simply by not giving all of the right details or what?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		We mentioned earlier about the length of information that can be transmitted, such as from RFID tags.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Right now we can get up to probably 100 or 96 bits of information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Now to get into a military application or currency or tracking any type of high ticket item, high security, they need like 128-bit stream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		That is incredibly difficult to do without everything that was done before it.
		It's like a quantum leap from where technology is today.
		So the uses of this presently would be tracking drugs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, before you said that, I was going to say, what would happen when that dollar bill got to one of Pablo Escobar's relatives or something or whoever took over, you know?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		There's a few mandates that have been put out by some major companies, major retail chains, warehousing chains, that every supplier has to have RFID code or some down to the lowest level technology available.
		For a time there, they were trying to put individual chips on packets of razor blades and cereal boxes and things like that, and it just wasn't working out.
		Now with this technology, that goes right into the ink that's printed on the box itself.
		It goes into the power and paint of cars.
		It goes onto the little meals you buy for your microwave oven when you shop at the store.
		So when you get home, you put on the microwave.
		The microwave reads that and cooks the food.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm thoroughly, I think, in tune with what you're talking about.
		Everything, again, has a specific frequency.
		Correct.
		An identifying frequency.
		And so no two boxes of cereal with the labeling and the packaging would be exactly like each one would be as individual as every human being is individual on earth.
		Or every grain of sand, it's a truth, is in itself individual.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's look at these 96 numbers.
		96-bit number would give you one trillion trillion separate items.
		That's every grain of sand.
		That's just with the 96 numbers.
		So the possibilities are unlimited.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did you stumble or move into this technology?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, from robotics to this is a pretty big leap.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It's a natural progression, again, through the computer aspect.
		I need faster computers, and how do you get computers faster?
		You start getting into computers that no longer rely on a one-second universe such as clocking X amount of cycles per second based on a silicon chip or a crystal.
		You get up into the higher levels.
		Well, what exists in those higher levels?
		The more I researched, the more I delved into it, I found everything exists.
		We in this universe, in our time frame, are living off the leftovers.
		Everything we have is what has decayed down to a solid object that we can either burn or build or weld or nail.
		It's time to get up into the levels where the particles themselves have the same frequency as the end product, like a million hydrogen particles form and create one hydrogen electron.
		It's the same thing.
		It's the same frequency.
		They just found each other and bonded together because they're all the same resonance.
		And there's so much hydrogen out there that we'll never run out of that stuff.
		I mean, the energy is just, it's there.
		All we got to do is tap into it at that frequency.
		So everything that we have here is like what has settled.
		We're the bottom feeders, basically.
		There's so much that we can do higher up.
		We can get into the actual source of energy.
		We can get into the source of the universe, the way it operates.
		We can ride those waves.
		We can use that information.
unidentified		Again, for good or bad.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		But we're humans.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		We are the Klingons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, I wonder how you deal with the people you deal with.
		I mean, do you make deals with them?
		Do you're going to want a lot of what you're not going to want to give?
		How do you handle that with them?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Give and take.
		A lot of give and take.
		It's interesting.
		Well, we have to think back to Tesla, I suppose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Who showed up first?
		You know, the money guys.
		And that's who's occurring around me almost all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're not having trouble raising money for this?
		In other words, you get enough people who understand it and want to back it.
		Is that correct?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I just haven't taken any yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you haven't taken any money?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Jan, why not?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		The time isn't right.
		It's not right.
		Not yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		The controls we talked about earlier are not in place at this time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, this technology could not be controlled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once you set it loose with investor money or anything else, it's loose.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		So the key is to find a vehicle, an instrument of which to control this, and that's what we're working on now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you say we, are there more involved in this research than yourself?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I am the primary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		And I have my associates that are doing all the research, scattered around the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
		Yeah.
		Well, aren't you something to find out about?
		How long have you been doing this with associates?
unidentified		since about'95.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sound like we're getting into an area where there are secrets.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I sense that.
unidentified		Secrets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's getting harder and harder to talk about.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You a young guy?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I'm mid-50.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're mid-50s?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		Well, you know what happened to Tesla, right?
		When he passed away, they rushed in and they grabbed every scrap of paper.
		Yep.
		So do you imagine that might occur upon your demise?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's occurred to me.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		That's why this information is scattered in packets.
unidentified		In packets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you would make it a giant clue race to get away with that.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Take a look at the word for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything that you can practically demonstrate?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For example, if I was at your lab, any of the things that we've talked about, could you produce a demonstration?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		On the liquid code smear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Let's say a little plastic plexiglass box, and you just start throwing objects into it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Pencils and pens and sticks of gum.
		On the computer screen, it says, one stick of gum, five cents.
		Manufacturer put in at this time.
		You take it out, it says removed at this time.
		And it gives you a running timestamp.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you could make a lot of money with that.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just think of a shopping cart.
		You know, the commercial is a guy running in and taking stuff out.
		We just put the stuff on a shopping cart itself, and every item that goes in the cart, your handle shows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, in our little town of Perump, although I know we're talking about an archaic technology compared to what you're discussing right now, but in our little town of Perump, we have an experiment going on.
		We're apparently a good town to experiment on.
		And they have the self-checkout things.
		It may now be in a lot of parts of the country where you don't have a checkout person.
		You just do the checkout yourself, you know, running each one over the scanner.
		And what you're talking about is a magnitude of, you know, a thousand times beyond that.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the cart itself would be the reader would be around the rim of the cart.
		It's just a little 18th of an inch fiber optic.
		As you put it in, the accumulator at the bottom of the cart stores the information that you see on your hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Adds it all up, inventories.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		So when you go through the checkout, it's just reading one manifest on that little accumulator.
		And that's all you need.
		You just roll right out the door with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, the checkers are really going to hate you.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		But the robotics industry, when that came in, I had a lot of people in the factories hate me too until they found out that until I set up curriculums where they could come and be retrained.
		And because they knew the job the robot was essentially replacing, they now knew how to program it for that particular job.
		The robot ran 24 hours a day, so they could run as many shifts as they want.
		All of a sudden, they got pay raises.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You probably don't get a lot of invitations to speak in front of unions and things like that.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I have an invitation.
		I have to speak in Chicago, a medical association thing in August.
		That's the type of people I speak with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I wouldn't think the unions probably would want to hear from you.
		Inventing things that really would take away jobs and that sort of thing.
		No more checkers.
		The job would just disappear.
		The shopping cart would do it all, record everything, take care of inventory, and probably ask you to jump in and take you out to the car or something.
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		I have a computer next to me, and on that computer, you listeners can send me messages.
		Fastblast, it's called.
		It can be done from the CoastToCoastAM.com website.
		And I must say, the response to Jen Newcomb Hodges so far is very, very interesting.
		And it ranges from those who buy it, like Mike in Toledo, Ohio, who says, logically art, he's in the design and maybe even experimental stages of string theory application.
		He'd have to be to go to the next level something to consider on the one hand.
		On the other hand, we've got Martin from San Rafael, California, who is smelling something fishy.
		Says he checked out the name on the net, not NADA nothing, except his own website.
		Nothing in robotics or Chernobyl, no academic history.
		Is there an actual laboratory?
		Anyone who worked with him?
		Maybe a complete phony.
		So the pretty wide range of opinion there, I would say.
		In a moment, we'll try and find out more.
unidentified		In a moment, we'll try and find out more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're about to go to the phones with John Newcomb Hodges, which should be very revealing indeed.
		And what have we on our hands here, do you think?
		A mad scientist, somebody who has sort of gone an interesting path while we've been doing the interview to the development of things so that he wouldn't starve to death practical things, but then to the point where he can't talk about these things.
		He can't really even accept investor money to develop these things because they're too dangerous to let out.
		Some people smell a rat here with you, Jan.
		Others are supportive and think that you might well be on to something.
		To those who smell a rat and say phony, phony, phony, like that guy wrote that thing, what do you say?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Oh, not too much.
		I'm not phony.
		I'm right here, and this is what I do.
		I've been doing it for many, many years.
		And I do it daily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do it daily.
		All right.
		Well, he was suggesting that he saw no resume or scientific background on your website, that sort of thing.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And why would that be?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I just didn't put it up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't put it up there?
unidentified		Okay.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		People want to know everything about me, Art.
unidentified		Believe me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, obviously.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It's like 20 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but of course, look at the claims you're making.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, can't you understand that there are some people who might have doubts?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, certainly.
		I face that constantly.
		I'm constantly giving lectures.
		I'm constantly traveling and training and teaching and doing demonstrations.
		Last year I was out of the country 300 days out of the year.
		I think it was last year.
		And it's non-stop.
		Creating applications, developing new technologies, new ways of asset tracking logistics everywhere.
		Implementing new technology, new software applications, new ways of communication through networks.
		It just goes on and on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's see what the audience has to say.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Jan Hodges.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, yeah, my name is Steve, and I'm calling from Dayton, Ohio.
		I guess you could call me a bit of an amateur theorist.
		And, you know, your guest, Mr. Hodges, has been speaking about frequencies a lot.
		And it's kind of funny, you just mentioned a little bit about string theory, and that was kind of what my question is pertaining to.
		I was just wondering, you know, the string theory is on a tremendously small scale, the Planck length, which I believe is 10 to the negative 33 centimeters.
		And I was just wondering, are these frequencies that he's talking about coming from that scale?
		And if so, how on earth are you measuring them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good questions.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a great question.
		We're not measuring the frequencies themselves.
		What we're doing is saying this is where it's going to go.
		We know that, like hydrogen, we know that it starts at 0.302 hectahertz.
		The bandwidth goes up to 0.5, which tritium H3 begins at.
		And that's the bandwidth, basically, hydrogen, so the 0.3 up to the 0.5.
		Then we get into the alpha particle separation, which is 0.9 nanometers.
		So we know that's the bandwidth for hydrogen, and that's what we should try to be reading.
		Unfortunately, we can't get the instrumentation to read those frequencies.
		All we can do is the formulation and the inverse squares and everything else that you can possibly come up with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, translated, you can only theoretically know they're there.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, based on information that's been passed down from the beginning of tracking and charting these elemental components, from the weights up to the wavelengths.
		And try to extrapolate the frequencies out of that.
		And they say, okay, there they are, but how in the heck do we read those and how can we work with those?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caller, do you understand the basic concept of the technology that he is explaining?
unidentified		I do.
		I do.
		I think I get the essence of what they're doing there.
		They're basically taking one thing that they know and basically trying to connect the two dots.
		I mean, that's what I'm understanding here.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Let's say I have a reader, an emitter of some kind, and I was to emit at about 299 terahertz or about one micrometer.
		And I struck a hydrogen particle at 0.302.
		Now, I'd have two outputs.
		I have a superposition sum, and I have the beat frequency.
		We cannot read the superposition.
		We know it's there, but we can read the beat, and that's what we're working with.
unidentified		Okay, yeah, and that relates to, like, what is it?
unidentified		The Schrodinger's cat.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yep, got it.
		Schrodinger also said that this whole entanglement thing all depended on the speed of light, and everything had to be within a close proximity for it to work.
		And we found that, no, that's not true.
		So things are starting to break down, and new paths are being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, caller, thank you.
unidentified		Hey, no problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's, you know, you are talking over even my head many times here, but I still am grasping enough that I think I know what you're talking about.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Let's say I have a bell, and I hit the bell with a banana, and I hit it with a hammer.
		I still get the same tone.
		It just sounds a little different.
		It's the same frequency.
		But if I hit a bell with another bell, then I'm going to get something completely different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		And that's what we're dealing with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Jan Hodges.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		I'm grateful to that prior caller because it's way over my head, too.
		When they know something, it helps bring it into clarity when the other callers know.
		I have kind of two paths that I would like to go in.
		One is a path about the protection of the process that he's talking about, and the other is a spiritual path, a question about it.
		In the protection thing, what would keep your associates, how do you know your associates won't give away the information?
		And if you have figured this out, what's to keep someone else, I mean, once a certain amount of information is out there, we know that other people are going to evolve into this knowledge as well.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, unfortunately, I live in a community of humans.
		And we just have to deal with human nature.
		If there's a buck in it, somebody can take what you have and sell it or misuse it.
		It's very difficult to protect this.
		That's why so many things are being put in place now.
		Yeah, it keeps me up at night a lot.
		It was either that or not do anything and wait for it to happen without any involvement at all.
		I'm just, my morality is a little bit too high to say, yeah, go ahead, do it.
		I wanted to be part of it, at least get my foot in the door, at least have a finger on something that's happening here.
		At least if I can control any portion of it, I'm going to sure try.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you, Caller.
		I can put myself in your position from that point of view.
		I mean, just taking, for the sake of argument, everything you've been saying tonight as absolutely true, this would have such weight to it that it might make the consideration of whether or not to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima seem like nothing.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Correct.
		In terms of its impact for the human race.
		Okay, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jan Hodges.
		Hello.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, I have a question for your guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, speak up then loud and let her rip.
unidentified		Okay, um my question is that uh I'm a psycholog I'm a psychology student right now and I've been doing a lot of study on you haven't reached the topic of ESP yet, but I I have been I have been studying that and you mentioned before when he was talking way at the beginning on anti-gravity and on resonance and how and how on like all the frequencies basically all have a signature.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
unidentified		Well my question is is that well I have a lot of experience with telepathy but my interest what my interest of where my educational career is heading towards right now is I'm actually trying to come up with a way for PK or psychokinesis and a way to actually cure the body using our own natural frequencies.
unidentified		Yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		But the problem Hello, Caller?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know where he went.
		Let's beamed up.
		Yeah, he just beamed up.
		So I'm sorry.
		But he was certainly going down the right road, wasn't he?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		He was talking about the brainwaves and finding transmission.
		Unfortunately, all the research that's going into this brainwave technology is down around the 5 to 30 to 40 cycle range.
		And that's way down there.
		That's not going to do it, Art.
		It's not going to do it.
		It's like playing with bowling balls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they are playing with bowling balls, by the way.
		They're playing with something called harp, which is a big bowling ball in that area.
		And in those frequencies and they're playing with some interesting ways to magnify and produce harmonics.
		I presume you've studied harp a little bit?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the harp on, I think it's a 30-cycle they're playing with, and communication with the submarines and stuff.
		When you're down around that range, what you're doing, we have LF and UHF, basically, is what we're dealing with in today's world.
		On the LF range, that's base.
		That's some major base.
		It's like some guy sitting in the car next to you with his base turning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you meant ELF, didn't you?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, ELF.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Way up there.
		And that base just goes right through you.
		It's just jarring electrons around us.
		It's actually affecting the actual organs and materials that we're made up from.
		It does some damage.
		It really can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with John Hodges.
		Hello.
unidentified		Aloha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aloha.
unidentified		Aloha, Art and Professor Hodges.
		A couple quick questions.
		One, do you have any job opportunities for people like me living in Hawaii?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Get on a boat and head over to Singapore?
unidentified		No, okay.
		The other is, I looked in my Japanese dictionary, your website, tamashi.viz.
		Tamashi in my dictionary reads Seoul.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, is that Japanese?
		That's Japanese for Seoul.
		Yes.
		Uh-huh.
unidentified		And the other is, the book, A Primer for Tomorrow, will be on sale March 1st on this website, your website.
		So it's March 1st where you are.
		I want to buy it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Well, the book was for sale before, and we went through another company that took credit cards, and we just didn't like the way that was going, so we're taking it over ourselves, and it begins tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		So all the books will be for sale off our website.
unidentified		Sold.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know if I can sign every copy like I did last time.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Thousands and thousands of those things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Do you want to try it or not?
		I mean, that's up to you.
		What?
		You're not going to?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, tomorrow we're, what, sign every book?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What the heck?
		Yeah, for Coast-to-Coast listeners, I'll do it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how much is your book?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It's $14.95.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		$14.95.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Information will be on tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On your website.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Jan Newcomb Hodges.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I was wondering about a possibility.
		Western the Rockies call toll-free 1-800-618-8255.
		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I have no idea what that is.
		Wildcard line, you are on the air with Jan Hodges.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yeah.
		Well, I'm a believer in every action has an opposite, an equal reaction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		He has expressed a couple times concerns about this technology falling into the wrong hands.
unidentified		What kind of countermeasures are there for it?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's different kinds of countermeasures depending on who has it.
		Let's say I'm here's one example of a possible use of the technology that's been brought up a few times.
		The soldiers in the field, they wear a waistband reader that can read everything he's carrying, including his rifle, how many bullets he's had, how much food.
		Plus, not only that, it's monitoring his heart and his breathing and everything else.
		He could actually have another device that would jam anything around him, so nobody would actually be able to detect him.
		So it's called the soldier platform, turning a soldier actually into a computerized platform itself with its own IP address and detecting everything around it within his possession.
unidentified		What about in the civilian application?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Let's say you had a brand new car with this stuff in the primer paint.
		Yeah, you probably go to the black market and get a device that would fit on your bumper that would block it out.
		I mean, we're human beings.
		One thing will lead to another market.
unidentified		So some kind of a transmitter.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It'll just transmit on that particular frequency and jump in.
unidentified		Mask it over.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Mask it over.
unidentified		Oh, good news.
unidentified		Thank you.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I'm working at it right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Black market thing.
		Okay.
		I'm big on second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I cut off the wrong person.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Anyway, so away you go.
		Some parts of this you're going to get to market.
		I mean, you've got to come up with, if you can't, you have not yet accepted investor money.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're holding it back from the U.S. government.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I'm not holding it back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's what?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It's in the app let's say the soldier thing I just talked about.
unidentified		There's one application that is being looked at.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		And there are many, many others.
		Let's say the blueing on every rifle has this material in it.
		I will know where every rifle in the world is at all times, down to a bullet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to imagine the world that your technology, if it's real, would bring to us.
		The kind of world it would bring to us, Jan.
		I don't know.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's immediate needs for it.
		Let's say you go into the airport and you check in your bag, as always, but they also put a tag on your handbaggage.
		That tag always has a barcode, and it's always printed up with information.
		They put it on there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Well, the ink itself has this material in it.
		Now, you don't need the line-of-sight scanner to read that barcode.
		I can read you from 12 feet away.
		Once you enter that airport, I can track you and match you with the luggage you just checked to see if you left the airport.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm getting all this quite well, Dan.
		What I see is a world where everything is identified, tracked, and understood.
		It's a world that would make George Orwell roll over in his grave.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		George's ghost shows up every now and then and slaps me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm really serious about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be a world that today's people really can't even guess at.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Well, everybody wants the every just throwing stuff in their shopping cart and not having to check out on the rest of it.
unidentified		Do you imagine this wonderful world of conveniences and everything taken care of, Jan?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or do you imagine this terrible Orwellian future where every move and even every private move and private everything is known to the people who have the number?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be both.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It'll be both.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it will.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Well, to us, it'll seem like a normal world, just like we have telephones and cell phones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		But what else goes behind that cell phone call you just made?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold on.
		Jan Newcomb Hodges is my guest.
		His book is A Primer for Tomorrow.
		Tamashi.
		Primer for Tomorrow.
		that would be your soul.
unidentified		Thank you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is Jan Newcomb Hodges.
		What do you think about Jan?
		He's really something, isn't he?
		And if what he says he has, well, if he really has it, he holds the new world in the palm of his hands.
		Or maybe you don't buy it.
		But you know what?
		Little I can assimilate, what bit I can assimilate, does have a logical path to it.
		Interesting.
unidentified		Interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is Jan Newcomb Hodges, and a fascinating individual with a fascinating technology.
		He certainly is that, isn't he?
		So what do you have to say here, I'm finding to be absolutely fascinating.
		He's got a book, and you can get a personally, he says, personally autographed copy of it, right?
		Tamagia Primer for Tomorrow.
		And all of, how much of this technology is explained in that book?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I explain everything that leads up to it.
		And I try to explain the best I can how things work.
		Not tell me how about why.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To me, I can give you one way they don't work.
		And this is a little tip for my audience.
		You heard that CD skipping, right?
		That was a CD skipping.
		In order to clean that and make the information once available for transfer, you just take a little denatured alcohol and a soft cloth and you clean the CD.
		And then you dry it very carefully.
		And it's going to be a very soft cloth.
		And voila, the CD and the information are now clear again.
		And that's what I did during the break.
		And that's why you heard that bad CD.
		So there you are.
		So, Jan, this technology that you have for greater information transfer, in fact, so great that it would change the entire face of the globe, you're sort of half sitting on it, developing a little bit, trying to make a few bucks and keep it out of the hands of the bad guys.
		Is that about what it boils down to?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess.
		I know what's going to come about when this technology is married with another technology.
		I don't know, I don't know.
		And eventually we'll get where we want to go, where we should have been 50 years ago.
		But I can't do it alone, Art.
		And I just need the support of a lot of people, not just, you know, I just want people to understand and believe.
		I try to educate people on where things are going.
		There's two ways you can actually educate people on this.
		You can either entertain them with our toys, but they say, well, that's not threatening.
		Then you come out with a real thing.
		They go, oh, that's cool.
		I saw that toy once.
		Or you can just force it on them.
		And I don't want this forced on them at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Back to the phones.
		First time caller live.
		You're on the air with Jan Hodges.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Dave and Reno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Dave.
unidentified		Mr. Hodges, I'm very interested in your technology regarding the RSAD.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Are you concerned that a new standard will be brought out and that the packaging industry will take that on and you'll be left holding the bag while you're waiting for your safeguards to be built?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's say all the contracts that are out now for a number of mandates that have been put out for all these passive tags and other things, all of a sudden this technology comes out and the companies that have put out these contracts say, wait a minute, there's a new technology coming here.
		I don't want to use your guys' stuff.
		Well, let's hold on until we see this.
		That could disrupt a very burgeoning, very wonderful technology that's happening right now.
		And I don't want to be responsible for that.
		So it will be phased in.
		It will have its place.
		And that's about all I can say on that.
unidentified		Do you have any idea how long it'll be before something like this comes out?
unidentified		I supply to the retail industry, and they warned us that it's coming, and you will supply packaging that they're mandating that, too.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's very large.
		The passive tags right now, the little chips, they're available now.
		You can buy those in mass quantities, and they'll do the job down to the box level.
		What's inside the box, nobody can do that yet.
		My stuff will do that, but I'm not going to issue that out until this first wave of this mandate is completed.
		Because it will totally disrupt a lot of stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure would.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Yes, thank you, Carla.
		Yeah, it sure would.
		It sure would disrupt a lot of stuff.
		That's putting it mildly.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Jan Hodges.
		Hello.
unidentified		Am I the one talking?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are.
unidentified		Oh, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like a lot of people.
unidentified		My curiosity is how do I get recognized myself?
unidentified		The technology you're talking about seems to be somewhat parallel with what I've been working on for 30 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, Jan, someone else working on this.
unidentified		And I've been afraid because the simplicity involved in what I've been working on is so great that anybody can reproduce it once the information's out there.
unidentified		It's like inventing gravity.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		And personally, I'm looking for a position, but I'm looking to prove what I'm talking about.
		And some of the things I would like to prove, and they could be very quick and not that expensive, is how the blocks were moved for the pyramids.
		How two, three people could move a 10,000-pound block up a 45-degree incline.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, both of you, what about the man down in Florida who moved these incredible rocks?
		I mean, this is almost like Egypt.
		Yeah, look at Raw Castle.
unidentified		What about him?
		I believe I understand what it was he was doing.
		I ordered his book.
		The library I deal through had to special order.
		It's like an 18-page pamphlet.
		I couldn't understand the end of the book that he was writing, the gibberish part.
		I've wanted to go down to Florida.
		I'm disabled now, and I'm getting almost 50 years old.
		And I'm looking at that, if I pass away, what I know passes away with me.
		Because I won't put it in writing and leave it that way for any length of time.
		I write things, I make my drawings, and I destroy them because it's just too much for And I don't see how the government doesn't already know what I know.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		If you don't do it, somebody else will.
unidentified		Well, it's going to happen, and America should do it first.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm all for that.
unidentified		Another thing I believe I can do is I believe I can put a vehicle in space without a rocket.
		Well, Mars, I don't really want to go to Mars.
		I would rather see colonies of a million people or so cruising the asteroid belt for raw materials.
		And that way put a refinery in space, pull out the asteroids.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Why do we have to put people up there?
unidentified		Well, most people on the planet now, they are born, live, and die within 100 miles of where they live.
unidentified		You could build a craft 100 miles in diameter, and they would never know the difference.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Buck Minister Fuller had a theory once you build a globe, a sphere three miles in diameter, it would float by itself.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Now you could fill that thing up with people and away you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do sound like you have a lot in common.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Jen, do you have some way that this caller I've gotten about 300 so far in the last hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you?
		Uh-huh.
		Okay, well.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		And 2.5 million hits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So no doubt, Jan, you're going to get some emails from some people who are legitimately working on the same thing you are.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Certainly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's got to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It might even be that last man there.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Well, parallel development.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Alexander Graham Bell showed up at the patent office 45 minutes before Mr. Gray.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		So would you...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, would you talk to someone like that, communicate to them, find out how far down the same path they are?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would you handle it if you run into yourself out there?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I run into that all the time up to certain facets.
		People mainly focus, what they do, they say, I'm going to invent this and work the way back.
		That's not the way I do it.
		I say, this is what we've got.
		What's going to happen if I put this together and that and that and that?
		And all of a sudden, holy cow, look at that, and go to the next step and the next step.
		And as I move along, I say, well, I better do something with this or somebody else is going to come up with it because it's so simple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jan Hodges.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is Leah from Pennsylvania.
		I'm listening to you on WDEL.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		And I had a question for your guest.
		I wanted to know: have you ever done any experiments with microwaves such as the kind that go into your brain when you're using a cell phone?
		And if you know what the effect might be on the human brain?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's about 13.5 megahertz, and it's not really going to get on my notes again.
		It's been a long night.
		It's the same frequency, basically, that we're using on passive RFID tags also.
		It's a great frequency for emissions.
		And it doesn't really affect us.
		Not at all.
		I'm not concerned about that in the least.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not worried about the biological effects of microwave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It's so far down that it's not going to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West for the Rockies.
		You're on there with Jan Hodges.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello.
		Yeah, hi.
		Well, I don't know whether to be nasty and yell and scream or whether to try to control myself and just ask a question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go on.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I mean, has this person and all the others of his ilk ever considered making value judgments in life?
unidentified		Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about it, Jan?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		The value judgment was to do it and at least be part of it and as one little individual gathering more support, more associates, have the leverage to try to put some limitations, some standards, some regulation on the technology.
		As the founder, I have the right.
		I'm actually so far ahead of everybody, and if they had to start developing it today, that I could choose the path and decide through a number of negotiations what should be put out first, second, third.
		It's yes, it was a very moral issue.
unidentified		Hi, am I still connected?
		Oh, yes.
		Yeah.
		Well, you know, of course the thing is, Mr. Hodges can say with truth that, you know, he's not the only one.
		You know, none of these people, like, you know, the guy involved in nanotechnology and the, you know, the gooey stuff or whatever it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The gray goo.
unidentified		Yeah, the gray goo.
		I mean, none of these people is putting the brakes on and saying, just because I know I'm smart and I can do this, perhaps I shouldn't.
		Perhaps I should put my intelligence in some other direction.
		But I don't think, you know, if everybody says, well, everybody else is doing it, then, you know, then the whole world is hopeless, you know, and I don't know whether it's going to be possible for people who just refuse to go along with this stuff.
		I mean, I don't like the technology that we have now.
		And, you know, I'm certainly not going to go to a store that has this stupid stuff.
		I hate shopping in the first place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but you will, though.
unidentified		No, I won't.
unidentified		I won't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You will.
unidentified		You know, you will.
		I'm an ex-computer programmer from way back.
		I'm 71, back to the main, and I don't have a computer.
		I am going to break it down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		71 years of age or not, you'll take that number.
unidentified		No, I won't.
		I won't.
		I won't do it.
		I don't fly at all, and I'm probably never going to fly again.
		And no, I mean, I won't put up with it.
		And convenience, convenience.
		I mean, this is just, you know, well, as far as the shopping thing is concerned, of course, what I object to is being tracked and having our privacy invaded.
		And the bottom line of all of this is this extreme desire of all of these people to control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you know, ma'am, it's going to happen as well as I do.
		I mean, we can both screech against it all we want.
		You're not going to stop forward progress.
		All of history shows you that.
unidentified		But we should not stop screeching, though, because that might retard things and make them think a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's perhaps a screech in the night.
unidentified		Well, but I don't think I'm alone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, probably not.
		And you have every right to screech.
		Thank you.
		In fact, I'm really wither in a way.
		I mean, if you consider the negative possibilities of this technology, should this all be true?
		It's horrifying.
		Absolutely horrifying.
		Maybe even Hell on Earth.
unidentified		Hmm?
unidentified		Yeah?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		First time, caller Line, you're on the air with Jan Hodges.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		The first thing you should do is track down bin Laden.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Bin Laden?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Track down Bin Laden?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, unfortunately, he didn't take one of those little devices with him.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Never stand him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, so I don't know about that.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Jan Hodges.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now proceed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello?
		Hi, yes.
		I called earlier.
		I'd like to ask you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have a rule of one call per night, sir.
		I'm sorry.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jan Hodges.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes.
		Mr. Hodges, I'd like to ask you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, sir.
unidentified		Okay, I've got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Caught me off guard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
unidentified		A radio engineer, a friend of mine, told me that you can take two sounds of the same frequency and cancel one out where you cannot hear the original one, where you can't hear either one of them.
		And a friend of mine's into health research.
		Have you ever done this in health?
		Discover the frequency of a disease and the organ, let's say, of the organ and the disease, frequency of the disease, and mimic that frequency to cancel out the disease or the tumor or whatever and bring it back to the regional frequency of the organ to make it healthy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about it, Jan?
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm going to do a one-minute quickie here.
unidentified		Okay.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's say we develop a camera that can take a photograph, not an x-ray, a photograph in an adosecond or in one quadrillionth of a second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Okay.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		We then take a picture of something, let's say another human being, what do we actually see there?
		Well, some of the photons have not completed their emission absorption, so there's very little light, if any.
		Some of the particles have not completed their normal resonance, in other words, beats per second taxi-formed yet.
		What you're seeing is about two-thirds of the object.
		Now, let's say I can fine-tune that shutter speed to an exact frequency, and I knew the exact frequency of calcium or the exact frequency of lead or anything else and took a photo of you.
		That's all I would see.
		Now, where is this in the future?
		Individual cells, individual things.
		I got in trouble a couple months ago on this.
		But if we knew the individual frequencies from constant scanning in databases, we would know what to look for in the human body at a specific frequency, taking a photograph rather than an x-ray MRI.
		Yes, it can be done.
		But again, we need a generator that can go that fast.
		Actually, we do have lasers now that we can do it in a femtosec, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it would have application for healing.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Healing.
		In other words, if you knew the frequency of a disease, then just like you said you could do with a person if you had the right frequency, I think you said turn them off.
		You could literally do the same thing to a disease.
		Literally, turn it off.
unidentified		Exactly, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This would be such a very different world, Jan.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jan Hodges and not a lot of time.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		You guys are freaking me out.
		This is Lady of Connect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hey.
unidentified		You know, we're already in the time where people are eating and drinking and marrying and trying to give in marriage.
unidentified		And now this guy's making it to where there's nowhere to hide from the beast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I knew that was coming.
		I had to be right here at the end of the show.
		The beast, the beast, the beast, Jan.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		I get it daily, sir.
unidentified		I get it daily.
unidentified		You do.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		Well, everybody's fulfilling prophecy.
unidentified		You know, go for it.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		I'm looking up.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God bless you.
		Take care.
		All right.
		We don't have more time.
		Gosh.
		Tamashi, right?
		A primer for tomorrow.
		Your book, you will personally autograph.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I will personally autograph 8 million copies.
		And all I have to do is go to your website, which is www.tamashi, T-A-M-A-S-H-I-I.
		You can do it.biz or dot com.
		There's two sites mirrored.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Biz or com.
		Okay.
		Professor, it has been a pleasure to have you here.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's been great, Art.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		It really has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of fun, and thanks for staying up late, partner.
jan hodges ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		All right, folks.
		That's it.
		That would be the weekend.
		I have certainly enjoyed, as always, my time with you, and here she is.
		What a beauty.
		Crystal Gale.
		Just the right words to take us out of here.
		Have a good week.
unidentified		This magical journey will take us on a ride filled with belonging, searching for the truth.

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