Jan Hodges, founder of Hodges Robotics International and pioneer behind the first mobile robot at Three Mile Island (1979), reveals patented "smear" tech—liquid codes tracking everything from gum to cars via crystalline salt nanostructures—while warning its misuse could mirror atomic bomb-level chaos. His anti-gravity experiments, costing over $100M and relying on francium-copper resonance, remain stalled due to funding, but he envisions Mars colonies controlled remotely through particle communication. Hodges dismisses brainwave research (5–40 Hz) as ineffective, linking ghost phenomena to digital camera frequency glitches instead, and defends gradual civilian adoption despite privacy backlash, arguing technology’s inevitability reshapes freedom or surveillance. [Automatically generated summary]
I bid you all good evening, good afternoon, good morning, whatever the time may be, and whatever time zone you reside, we cover them all with this great program.
Post-to-post a.m.
I'm Mark Bell.
In the next hour, Professor Jim Jim Hodges.
Actually, Jim Newton Hodges.
We'll talk to us about robotics and a lot of other things.
This man actually built the first robot that entered the triple Three Mile Island reactor.
We are going into open lines, but first let's review the world a little bit.
President Jean-Bertrand Aristide resigned.
The better part of valor and all that.
Flew into exile Sunday, pressured by a bloody rebellion and us, the U.S. Gunfire crackling all around the capital as everything fell into chaos.
U.S. Marines sent into the country.
In fact, arrived in the Haitian capital, Port-au-Prince, Sunday night as the vanguard of an international security force.
So Aristide is oat.
Tim Robbins won the Supporting Actor Academy Award on Sunday for his performance in an emotionally crippled, as rather an emotionally crippled murder suspect in Mystic River.
Iraqi officials have reached an agreement on a draft of an interim constitution for Iraq and probably will sign the document after Shiite Muslim religious holiday ends, so they may have their constitution.
Whether to amend the U.S. Constitution to outlaw gay marriages is a question that's provoking arguments out across the country, a lot of them.
But it's one the public will never vote on directly.
The idea proposed last week by President Bush would ultimately be decided by state legislators in at least 38 states, assuming that it gets enough support in Congress first.
There is no guarantee that an amendment would win-wide support.
While some legislators in conservative states say there is a passionate support for a constitutional ban on gay marriage, others say that altering one of the nation's founding documents raises troubling questions.
It absolutely does.
And, of course, I covered this subject at some great length yesterday evening with you.
Not all of you will have heard that.
But what it boiled down to in the end was I don't think I see a problem with gay marriage.
The angle I took is I tried to figure out who would it hurt.
I began to think about it.
I used to be very much against it, but really, who's it going to hurt?
In fact, one in two marriages collapse now, right?
Anyway, so, you know, I've thought about it.
I'm a libertarian politically.
I don't talk about politics a lot, but I'm pretty much a live and let-live kind of guy.
I always have been.
Well, that's not even true.
Not always.
I became a libertarian about 10 years ago.
And so that's the way I feel about this.
I think it's all right.
I don't think it would hurt anybody.
I mean, if it's suddenly legal, will you, for example, run out and say, wow, look, we can marry somebody of the same sex.
Let me go find somebody of the same sex and let's get married.
No, probably not, right?
So that's the tack I took on it.
I got about a million emails on the subject.
People surprised, some happy, some shocked, some, you know, quoting the Lord to me.
And I, you know, I understand That point of view, believe me.
I want to read you some comments on this incredible Mel Gibson movie made by not myself, but another person in the media named Jodi Dean, who's a Dallas TV anchor, and she saw the movie.
I'm not going to read enough, not like you don't know the story, but I'm not going to ruin it for you.
But I thought that Jodi Dean had some pretty relevant comments.
in a moment those music I have not yet seen The Passion, just so you know, I haven't seen it yet.
But I thought these were interesting.
Jody Dean said, Jody Dean's been in broadcasting and movies and television for, I don't know, a lot of years, since about 13 years old.
He says, this is not a movie that anyone will like.
I don't think it's a movie that anyone will love.
It certainly doesn't entertain.
There isn't even the sense that one has just watched a movie.
What it is, is an experience on a level of primary emotion that is scarcely comprehensible.
Every shred of human preconception and predisposition is utterly stripped away.
No one will eat popcorn during this film.
Some may not eat for days after they've seen it.
Quite honestly, I wanted to vomit.
It hits that hard.
I can see why some people are worried about how the film portrays the Jews.
They should be worried.
No, it's not anti-Semitic.
What it is, is entirely shattering.
There are no winners.
No one comes off looking good except Jesus.
Even his own mother hesitates, as depicted the Jewish leaders of Jewish day of that day, merely do what any of us would have done and still do.
They protected their perceived place, their sense of safety and security, and the satisfaction of their own rightness.
But everyone falters.
It said, the film grabs you in the first five seconds and never lets go.
The brutality, humiliation, and gore is almost inconceivable and still probably doesn't go far enough.
The scourging alone seems to never end and you cringe at the sound and splatter of every blow, no matter how steely your nerves might be.
Even those who have known combat or prison will have trouble no matter what their experience, because this man was not conscripted.
He went willingly, laying down his entirety for all.
And it goes on and on, but pretty compelling stuff.
I have not yet seen the movie, and it would be interesting to get some comments from some of you who have.
I certainly will.
I'm usually the type who will wait for the DVD, which in recent days comes pretty quickly.
Scientists are doing something rather interesting, I think.
They've revived primitive life forms, which they retrieved from frozen ground in the Antarctic, and these particular bacteria are believed to be up to 8 million years old.
The revival of ancient colonies of bacteria was a significant step in helping develop new methods for investigating whether alien life has ever existed or perhaps still does on some other planets.
Dr. Wilson, who's saying all this, helped lead a 24-member team which has worked on a nine-year project, which is to go to the Antarctic to dig up, to dig deep and find this bacteria that's been asleep for millions and millions of years.
Soil temperature about minus 27 degrees centigrade, actually.
So very much asleep.
And then reviving them.
They become quickly colonies and begin to grow.
And I'm a little concerned about this, and maybe, well, maybe we all ought to be.
I understand they're being certainly as careful as they can, but something could be taken from our very own ground.
Forget aliens for a moment, our very own ground, something that has been festering and waiting for millions, if not billions of years, to come alive again.
And we're going and getting it and bringing it alive again, and I'm sure all will be well.
But I do have some questions about doing this and what we might end up with.
At any rate, since I talked so long last night about so much of this gay marriage and all the rest of it, this night I am going directly to the phones and let's see what's up with all of you.
Now, I may take the more negative view on things, and in fact, I know I do.
That's me.
But I really don't think the outcome would be really different, perhaps in the manner in which it occurs, but I don't think the outcome would be that different today, frankly.
The issue, the first issue, would be about gay marriage.
I'm not opposed to gay marriage because I do not believe that the government has the right to interfere with people's personal relationships, whether they're the same gender or the different gender.
And I just feel like that even if it becomes illegal, not many people will agree with the new amendment as the federal government made the decision, but most of society actually loosened up their feelings about homosexual behavior.
But as far as the government's saying, and I was listening to the news today, and the reason you heard the reactions that you heard, hon, is because they feel that the Lord's word says it's an abomination or whatever it is.
And that's real serious stuff.
And for religious people, that's their faith.
That's what they believe.
And therefore, that's what that is.
And that's why you hear those reactions.
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Right.
But, you know, it's like also at the same time, I mean, I am a religious person, but, you know, also I believe that God is understanding and forgiving.
And, you know, don't judge thy neighbor.
So while, you know, I just, well, I guess you're right.
I'll just let that go.
And the other thing that I was just saying, I was listening to the news, and they said, the government said that marriage should be defined between one man and one woman.
Now, what about all the other religions as far as Mormons and some Islamic religions?
I'd like to talk a little bit about the life over Phoenix, but first I want to say, and I would like to ask you if you think there are people who are just magnets for the weird stuff.
Well, if what Red Elk says is true, then there is a mining operation going on below the ground.
Okay, male's hole, he lowered the sheep into the hole, and he came back, and then they said they cut it open, and there was this little creature that crawled out.
I have something that you can do during the coming break.
Other than, you know, listen to my commercial, which you're obligated to do, but I want you to give this a try.
I think you all will enjoy this.
Someone sent this to me an email and it blew me away.
You ready?
I want you to try this, all of you sitting there.
He writes, it's one of the strangest things I've ever encountered in my life to demonstrate left brain, right brain.
While sitting in your chair or your desk or wherever it is you're sitting right now, lift your right foot off the floor and make clockwise circles with your foot.
Are you doing that?
Now, while doing this, draw the number six in the air with your right hand.
I guarantee your foot will change direction and there's not a damn thing you could do about it.
Dog about it, you've got to try it.
So during the break coming up, do that.
Lift your right foot off the floor and start making clockwise little circles with it.
And then while you're doing that, draw the number six in the air, a big six with your right hand.
and then tell me what happens to that leg of yours uh...
John in Brooklyn, New York blasts me.
Ha ha ha, Art.
I'm going to perfect this, and I'm going to make barbecues, and I'm going to get all my beer for free.
It grabbed you this person said in the first five seconds and didn't let go.
Like that?
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It was a lot like that in the visual sense.
You know, I have pretty strong personal beliefs in that area, and I actually found the whole account, the rendition as they did it, to me, was quite impersonal, actually.
But I think they depicted it pretty accurately, and it definitely is an attention getter.
And I agree emphatically if Christ were to appear today under the same circumstances, he would be executed by the state and at the hands of religious leaders.
I think you're right on there.
I don't, you know, it's what he represented, what he is.
You know, he would be crucified.
The prophets in his day said, oh, you know, or excuse me, the Pharisees, the leaders, religious leaders in his day said, oh, if the prophets were here, we wouldn't have killed them like our ancestors did.
And, you know, on this gay marriage issue is what I want to talk about.
I don't think a religion should be involved in it one way or the other, or maybe even non-religion.
If 90% of the country was religious and wanted to vote one way, fine.
If 90% of the country was not religious and wanted to vote one way, well, fine.
But they missed one point.
I think in the state, and nobody seems to say this, Bush said it one time, but in the state of California, we voted, or not we, but people voted that against that.
And then when the judiciary branch goes ahead and does against what people voted for, I think that's maybe what Bush says he's trying to enforce, what people did vote for.
Yes, some people would say that President Bush is making a...
Even I must tell you, an interesting matter.
I've had hundreds of emails on the subject of gay marriage since I mentioned it last night, hundreds.
And it's about evenly split in the email.
But that's perhaps because I, shockingly to some, came out for it.
And somebody else fast-blasted me and said, hey, by the way, some caller to Georgia show said you were anti-gun.
Is that true?
Of course not.
I've been licensed to carry a concealed weapon for the last 10 or 15 years, whatever, and have guns and am an ardent supporter of the Second Amendment.
So heavens know that's not true.
And I think when people hear you take a position that they're shocked to hear you take, like on gay marriage, then they automatically assume, wow, he ate something weird and became a liberal.
No, I'm not a liberal.
I'm not a conservative.
I don't know what I am.
I'm a political atheist almost, like somebody said once on my show.
Actually, I just sort of believe in the golden rule, live and let live, and all the rest of that.
That simple.
You're fizzed away from my nose, and we're fine, that kind of deal.
And that's how I form a lot of my opinions.
Yes, there are important things.
And no, I don't want to see a constitutional amendment tried, even at the state level.
You know, if they're going to go that way, it's never going to get through anyway.
So it's political red herring.
But it's tossed out in a timely fashion when President Bush is facing a lot of criticism from the left.
It's almost enough to make me jump in the car and go see it in the theater, not wait for the DVD.
And there are not many movies I'll do that for, but it sounds like a monstrously important emotional impact on people, and that's what a good movie is, huh?
Well, I realize the position you're trying to put me in here with that question.
But no, I don't think you should be able to marry your sister.
We have laws against that, and you know why we have laws against that.
And throwing in the tube-tide business doesn't do it for me either.
No, I don't think incestuous relationships should be given the stamp of any kind of approval.
Of course not.
That's why I said between two adult human beings with the existing laws in place, I'm not suggesting we suddenly allow people to marry four wives or, you know, you shouldn't be able to marry your dog or your cat, right?
Okay, we can cover all that, can't we?
Can't we at the same time not go to that extreme and still say, look, you know, if two women or two men really love each other, is it going to kill us or even hurt us if they're allowed to get married and enjoy all the same benefits and community property type things that the rest of us face?
Will it really bring down the walls of America?
Well, yes, if you talk to somebody who's very religious, I understand that it is God's word, and I would not begin to try and argue with that because I can't.
And there is no argument against that.
But that issue aside, it's no small one, I know, the rest of it, in my way of thinking, I just, I don't see the harm.
And I don't think that it's going to suddenly convert many people to become homosexual who are not.
And so even though I know most of us are heterosexual, right?
And it's almost impossible to think of an emotional sexual relationship with somebody of the same sex, it is, it's a fact of life of 10% of the population or whatever.
And so why shouldn't they be allowed to have all the same joys and all the same sorrows that come with marriage for everybody else and tax benefits or not?
And gay marriage, I don't have much problem with it other than everybody that has a problem with it move out of San Francisco, maybe they'll get nuked, huh?
I have a very much very, very close, probably closer relationship and more of a devout relationship than most Christians that I know go through.
And I know in my heart that, you know, God wouldn't give me a a wonderful partner like I have and give me such a precious gift in my life just to throw it in my face.
I'm going to tell you what a lot of people object to.
A lot of people that I've talked to say, you know, I'm just sick of it being in my face.
You know, and gays do do that sometimes.
You know, they really put it in your face.
But you know what I said, I got into this discussion.
I said, look, even though the parallel is not a good one because the blacks in America had a much more difficult situation, slavery and all the rest of it.
But there are some parallels.
After you get past that, there are some parallels because any minority group that feels they're being persecuted has to get in America political power.
And the only way you can get political power in America is to get in people's faces.
And so that goes on.
And a byproduct of that is a lot of people get angry when it's put in their face like that.
But there's no other way to get movement in America or for that matter anywhere else in the world.
You've got to gain political power.
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Yes, I don't think that the ones who are being in their face, though, are having consciously doing that.
I think maybe subconsciously they're acting out in that way.
Kind of like a teenager who's told you're not going to go out Friday night and they throw a temper tantrum about it.
I'm very respectful of other people and their reactions towards that.
I don't agree with people being in their face.
But then again, I don't think it's right to a lot of people to find in your face is holding hands or some simple expression of love.
I don't believe whether you're gay or straight, you should be having sex in public or making out or just offensive to public in general.
So I don't see it that way.
But I do understand that point of view.
But it's more like having the right to be able, if you spend your life with someone and you're committed to someone, the government rewards marriage because there's two people who are in a committed relationship.
So there's somebody else that that person is partnering with in life that are committed to helping each other out, which means to the government that they're not going to be running to the government for assistance as often.
There's stability, there's commitment, they're less of a risk for the government.
So they reward that by giving them different coverages.
When we come back, we're going to talk about robotics and a whole lot more.
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And I had it rocking so hard in here during that song, the speaker fell right off my table.
It rocked itself right off the table.
Yes, I do love music.
Coming up in a moment, Jan Newcomb Hodges.
Professor Jan Hodges has been one of the foremost leaders in new technology and innovation for decades.
In 1978, he founded Hodges Robotics International.
There, he developed numerous robotic systems for application work in aerospace, ocean exploration, entertainment, nuclear, built the first mobile robot that entered the triple Three Mile Island reactor.
Want to talk to him about that?
Then expanded these systems to work in bomb squad operations, firefighting, and space exploration applications.
In 1985, he managed R ⁇ D operations for automated computerized robotic applications in building the stout B-2 bomber aircraft.
My mind, since 1990, he has been lecturing, instructing, and developing technology to aid in the modification and repair of nuclear power plants in Spain, Taiwan, Japan, and France.
Today, while lecturing and producing a year-long series of radio programs, he remains very active in the world of new technology introduction and application.
So, in a moment comes Jan Newcomb Hodges.
right where you are.
Managed to get my speaker back on the table and hook back up again during the break.
The areas that we're going into, let me give the audience a little sort of a little preview.
The limits of electrons, elementary frequencies, let's see, anti-gravity, biocomputers, nanotechnology, teleportation, life frequency mapping, when are the robots going to grow up, the soul and whether we can store it, ghosts, particle communications, radiant energy, time travel, the first Mars colony, ESP.
My goodness, that's quite a long list of things we could cover.
Well, there was the pumping system essentially just shut down and the water just started filling up the place.
The core itself, because the reaction started just heating up superheat.
And, you know, you couldn't get a straight answer from anybody there because nobody could actually get in there and nothing like this has ever happened before.
And they said, we have to get in there, we have to decontaminate the walls after the water is drained and allow people to get in there to do the investigation cleanup lessons learned.
The system they came up with was a little mobile robot system made entirely of stainless steel that could either be run by video operation or umbilical cord.
And the robot itself could be equipped with spotlights, monitoring equipment, hydrolacing to wash stone walls.
It had a major gripper on there.
It could pick up 250 pounds worth of material, move things out of the way, go in.
Basically, it went in where humans couldn't go first.
I have a question about a general question about robots.
I mean, if you grew up when I did, by now, Jen, we were supposed to do every little drudgery in life, everything that we didn't want to do, was supposed to be done by robots.
If we can think back to the automotive industry when the car first came out, there were hundreds and hundreds, maybe a thousand smaller car companies that were producing automobiles.
Each one was like a one-trick pony.
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It had a special feature.
They all had the four wheels and engines and seats.
But some had maybe better transmission, some had lighting systems that worked better, some electrical.
They could only sell so many of these things.
So the larger companies got together and they started buying out all these little companies and taking their innovations and incorporating them into theirs.
Basically taking two technology sticks and nailing them together and getting a third.
So what we have now are the basic five, ten major companies.
Well, the same thing happened in robotics during the late 80s.
The Japanese got involved, Futaba, General Motors.
And The reason for that is when the larger companies took it over, they specifically applied the robots to their needs for their financial gains, for their application.
Well, you're not going to get it from the larger corporations.
You're going to get it from some smaller corporations coming into being that will specifically design units for those applications.
Unfortunately, we've pretty much reached the limit on mechanical capabilities and computer capabilities for obtaining the applications that we really need right now in robotics.
Look at the unit on Mars.
It's got six low wheels.
It rolls around, has to stop, charge up for a long time, runs a little bit more, stops, charges up.
All right, so we have particles of a like frequency being attracted by a larger mass of a like frequency.
All right?
Now let's say that we take that one ping pong ball, and it's resting there on the Earth, it's having a great time, trying to get down farther, but it can't because it's sitting on the surface.
There's just too many in the way.
Let's say we artificially induce a resonance into that ping-pong ball that sounds like maybe 100,000 times more ping-pong balls than it should be.
It's like putting a volume control on that one ping-pong ball at a specific resonance.
One ping-pong ball requires, let's say, 20 intervectors below it to be attracted.
All of a sudden we've got a ping-pong ball that's got 100,000 properties.
And what I found was that I couldn't get anything to go as fast as I wanted to in the computer system because silicon breaks down at 700 gigahertz, or yes, 700 gigahertz.
Okay.
So that kind of led me to the next phase of what would I use to control a computer system, the clocking system.
So I started experimenting with this and I started getting into the particle physics and getting deeper and deeper and I came up with, I charted every frequency of every element and its waypoint.
It's all part of an overall approach of what's coming next.
We can probably get in as the as the time goes along here, we'll cover probably every single aspect of how this all comes together, what is actually coming.
Through the particle generation system that I needed to clock a computer faster, I found I needed something up in the ectahert range, which is totally impossible.
We have nothing that can generate those kind of signals.
So I started getting up to the terahertz operations, which is in the infrared.
And one thing kind of led to another, and I came up with systems like the nanotechnology, carbon nanotubes, things like this.
I'm told that carbon nanotubes could actually be constructed in something called a space elevator, which would be literally an elevator from Earth into orbit.
You remind me of the guy in the movie The Core, you know, where they go out into the desert and he's got this machine already made that can bore into the earth.
Anti-gravity, a very serious thing, might get us to the stars.
I would imagine once you would have left the atmosphere with something like you're claiming, that a great deal of acceleration could then, with a lot less power, be applied, right?
And so what are you telling me, that you could take an orange and scan it and then end up with that orange also turning up at a receiving site 10,000 miles away?
Yeah, this is all based on the same base technology, anti-gravity, teleportation so far that we've discussed, all based on your central concept of the frequency of virtually everything.
Is that correct?
Correct.
All right.
So you couldn't scan and deliver life, and yet you claim something about the soul here.
Are you saying we can store the soul that we can, in effect, download or store the soul somehow?
But what if we, after we developed the scanner that could scan all the elements, the next step would be a generator that could go into the life frequency level?
What you would have then is a transporter with two ports.
You would have one that would transmit all the elemental and one that would transmit the soul, if you will, the life frequency.
Now, but when you get that level, you're not dealing with electronics anymore.
You're dealing with bio systems.
You're going to have a generator developed from a biomaterial because you have to be above to read below.
All right, so we have our little gel cell or whatever.
When we transport or make a copy, we could actually, again, this is in the future something to think about.
We're here just to use our imagination a bit.
But if we had a generator that could actually recreate, make a copy of, or actually modulate that life frequency, could not we actually could store it in a biological cell.
I suppose if all of that were true, and if we do, in effect, have individual numbers, I mean, it's always been said we're like individual little snowflakes.
Well, we all have a number.
God knows the government would get our number for sure.
You've got some cross-frequency modulation that's like nails on a chalkboard.
So let's say, we're going a little bit deeper in this thing.
Let's say when those five-year-olds went into that chamber and they started tracking all these numbers, throwing these numbers on and on and on for 300 years.
All of a sudden, a child is born, sits down, three years old, and plays a piano.
Where in the heck did that come from?
And they go back to the database 300 years ago, and the exact number down to the last digit was some famous piano player.
What does that mean?
Are we just receivers of an existing cosmos, of a continuous frequency that's out there?
It is, and Jan Newcomb Hodges, and you know, under other conditions, I might be inclined to say Jan Newcomb Hodges sounds like a mad inventor.
But we're talking about the man who invented the first robot that went into the Three Mile Island reactor and things like that.
He's done so much robotic work for, you know, bomb squad operators, spaceflight application, that sort of thing.
So he's not a mad inventor.
And yet, some of what he's saying sounds mad, doesn't it?
The frequencies of things and people can be read, duplicated, transported, that we all, in the end, will have numbers that, in effect, our soul would even have a number.
All of this is pretty wild stuff, but it's coming from a man who's done a lot of real-world stuff.
we'll get right back to it I can consider the possibility, Jan, that everything, and even living beings on a frequency yet farther up, have a vibrational level, an actual frequency.
Frequencies are nothing but rates of vibration.
And so everything indeed could have a frequency.
And so maybe the technology you're working on, maybe there really is something there, I guess is what I'm saying.
Listen, time travel is something you claim to know something about.
What is happening is both receiver and transmitter have enough information that the protocol itself, whatever is being transmitted, can be so short to activate an entire packet of information.
Let's say we have a dog.
We say sit.
The dog really doesn't know what sit means, but he knows that sound is, he has to respond in a certain way to get a treat.
He knows all the motor functions.
He knows everything required to do that.
You are one portion of that.
He is the other portion.
Communication could be nothing more than an eye movement, a hand movement.
It's a very small version of entanglement, but it sort of kind of taps on that a little bit for our limited minds to try to understand this type of thing.
You know, the communication link is not a physical one, such as phone lines and touching and line of sight.
No, no, I meant I'm out on the edge of what I can reasonably grasp with what we're talking about here.
You know, I'm pretty grounded in electronics and some science, but you're way out there beyond what I understand, but not beyond what I can grasp as perhaps having meaning.
And the technology you're describing does make sense, actually.
And so you think then that time travel, in the sense of retrieving information from the past or even the future, would be possible developing the technology we've been talking about all evening, right?
For those of you that have a computer, can get on my site and go to the Coast-to-Coast material.
There's an actual picture that one of my associates in Singapore had sent me about two months ago from a monastery.
And what you're looking at basically is a phase shift.
Something is existing in a moment in time that we're not part of.
But with our digital cameras, because the 256 or the 3 meg or whatever we're using in that lens do not fire all at once.
It would totally drain the battery and it wouldn't make any sense to the system.
They're firing in a sequence, and one of those pixels or 10 of those pixels pick up something within a nanosecond, a femtosecond, or something that we can't see.
This whole, I'm sure if you've heard the program before, you've heard the term shadow people and people talking about it.
Well, what we've noticed is that in this computer age, just about everybody now has a computer, nearly everybody.
And when you stare at a monitor, your brain is beginning to adjust to what the monitor's flicker rate is.
And that's a different vibrational rate than we otherwise experience.
That can give you a headache or it can make you nauseous or something.
But you know what?
It can also, I think, open a little bit of a glimpse occasionally into something that is operating at a different vibrational frequency and we don't normally see, but because we've been adjusted, in effect, by watching that monitor, we can suddenly, and for a brief period, see something we wouldn't ordinarily see.
Every now and then, our brain kind of locks into that little clocking mechanism in our system, including our visual cortex and everything else, our human nucleus, the guys call it, and we get out of phase just for a moment.
And we're getting close because of our increasing electronic development, although we haven't really got to where we should be.
We're going to crash out at about 700 gigahertz and silicon breaks down, and then we're going to go to the next phase, which is probably biological material, biocomputers.
The first colonies of Mars are probably going to be pretty advanced, semi-autonomous that's a loose word.
Robotic systems that we can call them exoskeletons that which People ask me, why do we want to go to Mars?
To live there?
I think, no, not really.
We want to go there to explore, to obtain materials, maybe a jumping off point to the next wherever we're going, because as humans, we've got to explore.
We're just boring ourselves to death right now.
So what we're going to do is probably some robotic, have a robotic colony.
Robots that fix robots, robots that do all kinds of stuff controlled by human-based operators on particle communications.
I mean, if you're approached by another country, they've got to be a pretty good friend of ours, don't they, for you to be able to reasonably talk to them about some of this technology?
Now, when we get down to, let's say we want to put a chip on an orange and a pack of gum, well, that's totally ludicrous because not only is the chip probably cost more than the gum, maybe you can get it down to five cents, but you're going to need an antenna.
know that that's right you're gonna need That I do want to hear.
So we'll get that when we get back from the break.
Gee, I wonder if he's patented the chip that they're going to be sliding into you pretty soon.
Huh?
The one that you'll be able to put in your palm of your hand there and slide it over something and buy anything you want, do anything you want, long as you take the number?
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Got to wonder a little bit if Jen Newcomb Hodges working in a quiet but well-equipped laboratory in northern Nevada, connected with a whole bunch of three-letter agencies, he says, and an inventor of things that move people's souls,
allow time travel, levitation, anti-gravity, working with a technology that would allow all of this, is The man who just filed the patent for the device that may be getting under your skin sometime soon.
We're about to find out.
Music Once again, we're talking with Jan Newcombe Hodges, who sounds a lot like a mad scientist, but he in fact is the man who built the robot, the first one that went into Three Mile Island.
He's done a lot of really serious work, including on the B-2 stealth.
You've got to take him seriously.
He's talking about a technology from which springs all kinds of things like teleportation, anti-gravity, the movement of the soul, the very soul, our soul.
It explains so much ghosts.
Perhaps a shadow people.
It will eventually allow humans to colonize Mars because you're there in a new way.
All through the study, really, of frequency, the frequencies of things and people.
which is an acronym for Someone came up with this word, so we went with that.
What it is, it's a powder, a very fine powder, crystalline salt nanostructure that can be put into any liquid, any paint, any porcelain, and be read just like a passive tag.
And I, you know, how many, hey, Jan, how many people like you out across the country do you suppose there are working in small labs on the kinds of things that you're working on?
Let's say I walk into Singapore with a United States $1 bill and I put it in a cult machine.
The court machine reads that number without touching it, without seeing it, has tracked that dollar bill from the moment it was made, who carried it, on and on and on.
Gives you the change back in Singapore dollars and gives you your drink and tied into a central database that tracks the movement of this particular dollar bill.
Now this goes down to a box of cereal, could go down to an automobile.
This is ways of tracking item level visibility, embedded visibility.
It's the next step in the RFID.
We call it the supply chain visibility.
And yes, I did this because I didn't want it to go in the wrong hands.
Well, I guess you know that if the government, for example, wants this and they have reason to believe it really exists, your patent isn't going to stop them.
Yeah, you know, before you said that, I was going to say, what would happen when that dollar bill got to one of Pablo Escobar's relatives or something or whoever took over, you know?
There's a few mandates that have been put out by some major companies, major retail chains, warehousing chains, that every supplier has to have RFID code or some down to the lowest level technology available.
For a time there, they were trying to put individual chips on packets of razor blades and cereal boxes and things like that, and it just wasn't working out.
Now with this technology, that goes right into the ink that's printed on the box itself.
It goes into the power and paint of cars.
It goes onto the little meals you buy for your microwave oven when you shop at the store.
No, I'm thoroughly, I think, in tune with what you're talking about.
Everything, again, has a specific frequency.
Correct.
An identifying frequency.
And so no two boxes of cereal with the labeling and the packaging would be exactly like each one would be as individual as every human being is individual on earth.
Or every grain of sand, it's a truth, is in itself individual.
It's a natural progression, again, through the computer aspect.
I need faster computers, and how do you get computers faster?
You start getting into computers that no longer rely on a one-second universe such as clocking X amount of cycles per second based on a silicon chip or a crystal.
You get up into the higher levels.
Well, what exists in those higher levels?
The more I researched, the more I delved into it, I found everything exists.
We in this universe, in our time frame, are living off the leftovers.
Everything we have is what has decayed down to a solid object that we can either burn or build or weld or nail.
It's time to get up into the levels where the particles themselves have the same frequency as the end product, like a million hydrogen particles form and create one hydrogen electron.
It's the same thing.
It's the same frequency.
They just found each other and bonded together because they're all the same resonance.
And there's so much hydrogen out there that we'll never run out of that stuff.
I mean, the energy is just, it's there.
All we got to do is tap into it at that frequency.
So everything that we have here is like what has settled.
We're the bottom feeders, basically.
There's so much that we can do higher up.
We can get into the actual source of energy.
We can get into the source of the universe, the way it operates.
You know, in our little town of Perump, although I know we're talking about an archaic technology compared to what you're discussing right now, but in our little town of Perump, we have an experiment going on.
We're apparently a good town to experiment on.
And they have the self-checkout things.
It may now be in a lot of parts of the country where you don't have a checkout person.
You just do the checkout yourself, you know, running each one over the scanner.
And what you're talking about is a magnitude of, you know, a thousand times beyond that.
But the robotics industry, when that came in, I had a lot of people in the factories hate me too until they found out that until I set up curriculums where they could come and be retrained.
And because they knew the job the robot was essentially replacing, they now knew how to program it for that particular job.
The robot ran 24 hours a day, so they could run as many shifts as they want.
Yeah, I wouldn't think the unions probably would want to hear from you.
Inventing things that really would take away jobs and that sort of thing.
No more checkers.
The job would just disappear.
The shopping cart would do it all, record everything, take care of inventory, and probably ask you to jump in and take you out to the car or something.
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And I must say, the response to Jen Newcomb Hodges so far is very, very interesting.
And it ranges from those who buy it, like Mike in Toledo, Ohio, who says, logically art, he's in the design and maybe even experimental stages of string theory application.
He'd have to be to go to the next level something to consider on the one hand.
On the other hand, we've got Martin from San Rafael, California, who is smelling something fishy.
Says he checked out the name on the net, not NADA nothing, except his own website.
Nothing in robotics or Chernobyl, no academic history.
Is there an actual laboratory?
Anyone who worked with him?
Maybe a complete phony.
So the pretty wide range of opinion there, I would say.
We're about to go to the phones with John Newcomb Hodges, which should be very revealing indeed.
And what have we on our hands here, do you think?
A mad scientist, somebody who has sort of gone an interesting path while we've been doing the interview to the development of things so that he wouldn't starve to death practical things, but then to the point where he can't talk about these things.
He can't really even accept investor money to develop these things because they're too dangerous to let out.
Some people smell a rat here with you, Jan.
Others are supportive and think that you might well be on to something.
To those who smell a rat and say phony, phony, phony, like that guy wrote that thing, what do you say?
Hey, yeah, my name is Steve, and I'm calling from Dayton, Ohio.
I guess you could call me a bit of an amateur theorist.
And, you know, your guest, Mr. Hodges, has been speaking about frequencies a lot.
And it's kind of funny, you just mentioned a little bit about string theory, and that was kind of what my question is pertaining to.
I was just wondering, you know, the string theory is on a tremendously small scale, the Planck length, which I believe is 10 to the negative 33 centimeters.
And I was just wondering, are these frequencies that he's talking about coming from that scale?
Yeah, based on information that's been passed down from the beginning of tracking and charting these elemental components, from the weights up to the wavelengths.
And try to extrapolate the frequencies out of that.
And they say, okay, there they are, but how in the heck do we read those and how can we work with those?
Schrodinger also said that this whole entanglement thing all depended on the speed of light, and everything had to be within a close proximity for it to work.
And we found that, no, that's not true.
So things are starting to break down, and new paths are being.
I'm grateful to that prior caller because it's way over my head, too.
When they know something, it helps bring it into clarity when the other callers know.
I have kind of two paths that I would like to go in.
One is a path about the protection of the process that he's talking about, and the other is a spiritual path, a question about it.
In the protection thing, what would keep your associates, how do you know your associates won't give away the information?
And if you have figured this out, what's to keep someone else, I mean, once a certain amount of information is out there, we know that other people are going to evolve into this knowledge as well.
I can put myself in your position from that point of view.
I mean, just taking, for the sake of argument, everything you've been saying tonight as absolutely true, this would have such weight to it that it might make the consideration of whether or not to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima seem like nothing.
Okay, um my question is that uh I'm a psycholog I'm a psychology student right now and I've been doing a lot of study on you haven't reached the topic of ESP yet, but I I have been I have been studying that and you mentioned before when he was talking way at the beginning on anti-gravity and on resonance and how and how on like all the frequencies basically all have a signature.
Well my question is is that well I have a lot of experience with telepathy but my interest what my interest of where my educational career is heading towards right now is I'm actually trying to come up with a way for PK or psychokinesis and a way to actually cure the body using our own natural frequencies.
Well, the book was for sale before, and we went through another company that took credit cards, and we just didn't like the way that was going, so we're taking it over ourselves, and it begins tomorrow.
Well, there's different kinds of countermeasures depending on who has it.
Let's say I'm here's one example of a possible use of the technology that's been brought up a few times.
The soldiers in the field, they wear a waistband reader that can read everything he's carrying, including his rifle, how many bullets he's had, how much food.
Plus, not only that, it's monitoring his heart and his breathing and everything else.
He could actually have another device that would jam anything around him, so nobody would actually be able to detect him.
So it's called the soldier platform, turning a soldier actually into a computerized platform itself with its own IP address and detecting everything around it within his possession.
Or do you imagine this terrible Orwellian future where every move and even every private move and private everything is known to the people who have the number?
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In order to clean that and make the information once available for transfer, you just take a little denatured alcohol and a soft cloth and you clean the CD.
And then you dry it very carefully.
And it's going to be a very soft cloth.
And voila, the CD and the information are now clear again.
And that's what I did during the break.
And that's why you heard that bad CD.
So there you are.
So, Jan, this technology that you have for greater information transfer, in fact, so great that it would change the entire face of the globe, you're sort of half sitting on it, developing a little bit, trying to make a few bucks and keep it out of the hands of the bad guys.
Are you concerned that a new standard will be brought out and that the packaging industry will take that on and you'll be left holding the bag while you're waiting for your safeguards to be built?
Yeah, let's say all the contracts that are out now for a number of mandates that have been put out for all these passive tags and other things, all of a sudden this technology comes out and the companies that have put out these contracts say, wait a minute, there's a new technology coming here.
I don't want to use your guys' stuff.
Well, let's hold on until we see this.
That could disrupt a very burgeoning, very wonderful technology that's happening right now.
And I don't want to be responsible for that.
So it will be phased in.
It will have its place.
And that's about all I can say on that.
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Do you have any idea how long it'll be before something like this comes out?
I supply to the retail industry, and they warned us that it's coming, and you will supply packaging that they're mandating that, too.
And I've been afraid because the simplicity involved in what I've been working on is so great that anybody can reproduce it once the information's out there.
By the way, both of you, what about the man down in Florida who moved these incredible rocks?
I mean, this is almost like Egypt.
Yeah, look at Raw Castle.
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I believe I understand what it was he was doing.
I ordered his book.
The library I deal through had to special order.
It's like an 18-page pamphlet.
I couldn't understand the end of the book that he was writing, the gibberish part.
I've wanted to go down to Florida.
I'm disabled now, and I'm getting almost 50 years old.
And I'm looking at that, if I pass away, what I know passes away with me.
Because I won't put it in writing and leave it that way for any length of time.
I write things, I make my drawings, and I destroy them because it's just too much for And I don't see how the government doesn't already know what I know.
The value judgment was to do it and at least be part of it and as one little individual gathering more support, more associates, have the leverage to try to put some limitations, some standards, some regulation on the technology.
As the founder, I have the right.
I'm actually so far ahead of everybody, and if they had to start developing it today, that I could choose the path and decide through a number of negotiations what should be put out first, second, third.
It's yes, it was a very moral issue.
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Well, you know, of course the thing is, Mr. Hodges can say with truth that, you know, he's not the only one.
You know, none of these people, like, you know, the guy involved in nanotechnology and the, you know, the gooey stuff or whatever it is.
I mean, none of these people is putting the brakes on and saying, just because I know I'm smart and I can do this, perhaps I shouldn't.
Perhaps I should put my intelligence in some other direction.
But I don't think, you know, if everybody says, well, everybody else is doing it, then, you know, then the whole world is hopeless, you know, and I don't know whether it's going to be possible for people who just refuse to go along with this stuff.
I mean, I don't like the technology that we have now.
And, you know, I'm certainly not going to go to a store that has this stupid stuff.
I don't fly at all, and I'm probably never going to fly again.
And no, I mean, I won't put up with it.
And convenience, convenience.
I mean, this is just, you know, well, as far as the shopping thing is concerned, of course, what I object to is being tracked and having our privacy invaded.
And the bottom line of all of this is this extreme desire of all of these people to control.
A radio engineer, a friend of mine, told me that you can take two sounds of the same frequency and cancel one out where you cannot hear the original one, where you can't hear either one of them.
And a friend of mine's into health research.
Have you ever done this in health?
Discover the frequency of a disease and the organ, let's say, of the organ and the disease, frequency of the disease, and mimic that frequency to cancel out the disease or the tumor or whatever and bring it back to the regional frequency of the organ to make it healthy.
We then take a picture of something, let's say another human being, what do we actually see there?
Well, some of the photons have not completed their emission absorption, so there's very little light, if any.
Some of the particles have not completed their normal resonance, in other words, beats per second taxi-formed yet.
What you're seeing is about two-thirds of the object.
Now, let's say I can fine-tune that shutter speed to an exact frequency, and I knew the exact frequency of calcium or the exact frequency of lead or anything else and took a photo of you.
That's all I would see.
Now, where is this in the future?
Individual cells, individual things.
I got in trouble a couple months ago on this.
But if we knew the individual frequencies from constant scanning in databases, we would know what to look for in the human body at a specific frequency, taking a photograph rather than an x-ray MRI.
Yes, it can be done.
But again, we need a generator that can go that fast.
Actually, we do have lasers now that we can do it in a femtosec, right?
In other words, if you knew the frequency of a disease, then just like you said you could do with a person if you had the right frequency, I think you said turn them off.
You could literally do the same thing to a disease.