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Feb. 14, 2004 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - William Buhlman - Out of Body Experiences

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unidentified		From the high desert and the great American Southwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I view you all, good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the Cosmos, I'm Mark Bell, and this is that program covering all those time zones called Coast Coast AM weekend version.
		It's great to be here, honored to be here actually, and in a moment we're gonna do something that I've never done before.
		Yeah, I just can't resist these things.
		So, I have no idea what we're about to get into.
		I mean, but I get an email like this, and it's irresistible for me.
		Morgan sends me an email which says, York, I'm a blood-drinking, casket-sleeping vampire.
		It's more fun than you'd imagine.
		Vampirism has a deadly side as well.
		Want to talk about it?
		Well, huh?
		Yes.
		I just love this kind of email, but you never really know what you're going to be getting into.
		You just never know.
		But I have never interviewed a vampire.
		I know Annie has, but not for me.
unidentified		This would be a first for me, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, so we'll do that here in a minute, I think.
		Looking around the world, it doesn't look too good as usual.
		Guerrillas overwhelmed an Iraqi police station, went to Baghdad, meeting little resistance, and they went room to room shooting police in a bold, very well-organized assault that killed 23 and freed dozens of prisoners.
		Moreover, you know, the poor police in Baghdad, they're trying to keep them employed.
		They're paying a good wage for police, but they're getting mowed down.
		And even at the good wage, you'd have to think twice, I'm sure.
		Democratic presidential frontrunner John Kerry does it here in Nevada and the District of Columbia, and he would appear well on his way to the nomination.
		President Bush is sagging in the poll numbers, and the Democrats are pounding away, unrelenting, and things are beginning to get pretty hot in the presidential race.
		So he's made some about faces, the Iraq war intelligence, his own military service record in question, cooperation with the panel investigating the 9-11 attacks.
		I mean, just backwards on everything.
		So politics getting hot.
		Let's see.
		A Carnival cruise line ship returned from a five-day cruise to Mexico on Saturday with more than 300 people sick.
		There's been an awful lot of that going on with cruise lines.
		Have you noticed?
		Looks like this may be the norovirus, they call it, spread through contaminated food, contact with infected people, poor hygiene, and the whole thing they say can be prevented by washing one's hands.
		In a moment, we will interview a vampire.
		By the way, next hour, we're going to have William Buhlmann here.
		We'll be talking about OBEs, out-of-body experiences, which are very real.
		Having had one myself, I know.
		Anyway, right now, though, right now, here is somebody we will call, and I guess his associates call him, Morgan.
		Morgan, welcome to the program.
unidentified		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Morgan, you understand when I get an email like this, well, I just am dying of curiosity.
		I've got a million questions.
		First of all, I guess, are you really what you say you are?
		This is not a put-on, a leg pull, or anything like that.
unidentified		No, this is a vampire lifestyle that we live.
unidentified		We do actually talk the talk and walk the walk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
		This is a real thing, then.
		I mean, there are people who claim they're psychic vampires.
unidentified		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not that.
unidentified		No, we have a coven in the state of Kentucky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A coven?
		I thought that was for witches, but it's vampires too.
		Mm-hmm.
		In Kentucky.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		That's where I live.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ways away.
		Alrighty.
		I've got a million questions, so where to begin?
		Let's see.
		You said, well, okay, you said vampirism has its fun side.
		And why don't we begin there?
		What's fun about being a vampire?
unidentified		Well, there's the playful side to vampirism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		That is if you're into going to cemeteries with other people and playing the role and sharing blood, it's very playful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the playful side.
unidentified		That can be part of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're into cemeteries, socializing, and drinking blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the playful side.
unidentified		Well, it's a great liberation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm extremely concerned about the deadly side here.
		Let's see.
		Let me pamper you with a few questions.
		First of all, all the myths that we've grown up with about vampires, you know, that are perpetrated by all the movies about vampires, are they basically mostly true or, you know.
unidentified		Well, we adopt probably 70% of what you see in the movies into our lifestyle.
		You do?
		For example, I do sleep in a casket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That's a good one right there.
		Now, you sleep in a casket.
		A comfortable casket?
unidentified		Oh, yes, sir.
unidentified		You make it into a bed, and I sleep in it during the day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		that's right.
		That's another thing about empires.
		They don't like the sun, or the sun, I guess I've been told, could even conceivably be deadly.
unidentified		Not for me, but I avoid the sunlight.
unidentified		It's not a good thing for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You shy away.
		Stakes have always been probably not, and I don't refer to the ones you grill, they've just been not the favorite thing of vampires through the ages.
		Is that still true?
unidentified		That is very true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very true.
		So, and it's also then obviously or apparently true that if you drive a stake through the heart of a vampire, then you have finally and really disposed of that vampire.
		Is that a true statement?
unidentified		Only if the head has been detached from the corpse.
unidentified		Otherwise, we reincarnate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know how many people may have driven in stakes over the years and forgotten the head part?
		Because I had not heard that.
		So the head has to go too, huh?
		Hmm.
		All right.
		Well, is being a vampire, is it just something that you have adopted, it sounds like, from the culture?
		I was going to ask you if it was genetic, but it sounds like you decided in this life to be a vampire.
unidentified		Well, pretty much so, but I was born with the bloodlust.
		And when you have the bloodlust, the first time you taste human blood, it unlocks the higher senses.
		Can you remember the very first taste you had?
		I can almost remember when I could not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like when you cut your finger and you went, no, well, I can remember.
unidentified		Why?
unidentified		I was born with the bloodlust, and from a very early age, I was drinking blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How early?
unidentified		Oh, I want to say three or four years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're married.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Four?
unidentified		Yes, a very strange child.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, you've barely given up the bottle by then.
		But there must have been something.
		I mean, like I said, did you cut your hand and just go, or what?
unidentified		Early on, so, yes.
		But today we use a method of intravenous needles to withdraw blood and put that into a chalice to drink.
		Blood from the vein.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, very much like a nurse might withdraw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		We have a nurse in our group.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I suppose that profession might expose one to blood and bring one to the lust for it, huh?
unidentified		And in that process, the awakening of the senses through the blood is a wonderful way to experience so many beautiful things in life, such as using it for out-of-body experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To me, it was only just sort of salty and, yeah, I don't know, not delicious anyway.
unidentified		Well, you probably weren't born with the bloodlust.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a good point.
		So I'm naturally curious about this.
		And then, of course, another big question that everybody would have is about the possibility of disease.
		Anytime you're dealing with blood, certainly in our modern society, you've got to worry about heaven knows what.
unidentified		Before someone is invited into our circle, they are screened and their blood is tested.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		We make sure that our feeding circle stays pure.
unidentified		That's very important for us to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Safe vampirism.
		One might say.
		Is it possible to ask how big your circle or coven is?
unidentified		At this time, we have over 50 vampires.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy smokes.
unidentified		Yes, and that's all ages.
unidentified		i want to say ages twenty one to fifty fifty six how in the world would uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		what would you know even if you thought maybe you were of vampire or leaning that that way uh...
		it's not like you know the yellow pages under the uh...
		so how to Is that true?
		Very secret.
unidentified		Very true.
		People are invited to share in the vampire experience with us.
		And through time and meeting with them and getting to know them, we know if the person is correct to join us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know them when you see him.
unidentified		And sometimes they choose not to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they able to vampires able to recognize each other?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, could you be going down the street and say, oh, right there?
unidentified		For the most part, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Is it a look?
		Is it a what?
		I mean, I'd like to know how to recognize a vampire.
unidentified		It's more of a spiritual vibe that someone gives off.
		And when you sense that, you can then draw into that and get to know the person better.
		And as time goes on, you find out if they would be interested.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		in uh...
		joining making a donation all of the above it's hard for you I mean, it really will come as a shock to a lot of people.
		I mean, it's just sort of the thing of myth and movie, but it's real.
unidentified		Oh, yes, and this is a worldwide phenomenon I've so learned.
		In New York City, there's thousands.
		In Atlanta, there's several thousands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure those people in those cities will be happy to hear this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thousands.
unidentified		And they live by night when most people are working 9 to 5.
unidentified		We're home sleeping.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, one, well, I don't know if you'd think of it as an upside to vampirism, or at least in myth, is that you are basically immortal, that you're the undead, or that you can't die.
unidentified		Now, currently I am a spirit in a human body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That is my vampire soul.
unidentified		And it will follow me into the next life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A vampire in this life?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A vampire in the next life?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's probably why then at the age of three or whatever it was, you want the lust hit you.
unidentified		I believe so.
		Are vampires happy people?
		Oh, yes, very much so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then, the old sort of picture that we all have from the movies of stalking around in the dead of the night with the very long sharp teeth, you don't have those, do you?
unidentified		Well, yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you do?
unidentified		I have naturally pronounced canine teeth, but really.
unidentified		We find that people who have the bloodlust, who do not know it, are usually more miserable when they discover they have the bloodlust.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Until they find themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it really is a new life they walk into at that moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does one come to the self-realization that, well, I'll be damned, I'm a vampire?
unidentified		It happens around puberty for most people.
unidentified		And it's a lust for blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're making that very clear.
unidentified		I mean, there's no way around that.
unidentified		You desire blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it just literally stands the hairs on the back of my neck up.
		I mean, thinking of you with your canine teeth and your lust.
		I just.
unidentified		But we harm no one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, a young If you're putting big old, you know, puncture marks somewhere.
unidentified		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
unidentified		No, we draw blood from the vein, from a willing donor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's the modern vampire world, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From a willing donor.
unidentified		I would be very leery of someone walking in an alley who would want to bite you on the neck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, I know I shouldn't be, but I'm even a little leery when the Red Cross would like my blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, I mean, to get a solicitation from you, for example, I just, I can't imagine how you could talk people, even leaning sort of in your direction, to, you know, time to give for the cause.
unidentified		Well, this is not for everyone.
		We know that.
		People who are born to this are the people we invite to our group.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It, I think, concerns me that there really are as many as you're claiming.
		There are, I mean, thousands of you in some cities.
		Do you think most are as devoted to the lifestyle as you are?
		I mean, it's a very serious thing once you're in it.
		That's in it.
		You're in it.
unidentified		Yes.
		Yes.
		And especially in Las Vegas near you.
		Yes, there are vampires.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could have gone all night long without telling me that.
		But they won't hurt you.
		Somehow, you know, Las Vegas, now that I think about it.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It's a wonderful city to be in during the night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the nice thing here is, you know, out in the desert we have a long way to see you coming.
		But I suppose you do.
		Do vampires still prowl the night?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you like cemeteries?
unidentified		And we have nightclubs that we go to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, do you ever run into situations where, you know, like when 50 people gather at night in a cemetery, for example, or even a fifth of that, it would tend to draw attention to things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And occasionally, I'm sure you would have brushes with terrestrial law enforcement.
unidentified		It's really no problem.
		We know where to go, and we know where not to go.
		And we're breaking the laws.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well.
unidentified		And we're very careful.
unidentified		If a policeman does show up, then we stop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess it's true.
		I mean, there's no law against sleeping in a casket.
		I suppose there's no law against drawing blood in the manner that you've described.
		I'm not sure about that.
		There could be some health code things.
		But basically, yeah, it doesn't seem like you're breaking the law.
		But still, when a bunch of people professing to be vampires gather in a cemetery at night, I would think occasionally there would be, I don't know, a brush with authorities.
		And have you had any?
unidentified		Never.
		It's not a problem.
		We know where to go.
		There have been vampires who have gotten in trouble with the law, and that's why we're very careful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do vampires more than not have families or not?
unidentified		Yes.
		Yes?
		Yes.
		I've married my vampire wife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your wife is a vampire?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that makes it convenient, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you meet at a vampire gathering of some sort?
unidentified		Oh, no, I met her at a club, and I knew from the moment I saw her that I had known her before.
		And that was, in fact, the case.
		We had incarnated into this life to meet each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like you saw her and saw red.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Do you think that we are mortal beings, that even your vampire-lusting body will pass away in the normal human lifespan?
		Or do you think, is there some reason to believe, that the ingestion of blood and whatever all will bring some kind of immortality to you, that you will live a longer natural lifespan?
unidentified		I would like to think so.
unidentified		I know that my human body will die, but why am here now, there are certain things that I can aspire to in my vampire mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like what?
unidentified		Well, for example, in July, I'm going to be trying an experiment where I'll be buried in the ground in my casket for three days and three nights.
unidentified		Nothing more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three days and three nights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mo, Morgan.
unidentified		Nothing more than an oxygen tube.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they're going to actually dig a hole, throw the dirt on top of your casket with nothing more than a little tube?
unidentified		three days and three nights what is it that you are going to I will be spending that time trying to develop inner abilities inside myself To enlighten my senses.
		I would someday like to know how to levitate.
		And that's one method I'm going to try to help achieve that.
		And human invisibility.
		I would like to master that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would like to be invisible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can see how vampire would certainly consider that that would have its advantages.
unidentified		And it is believed that to be in the earth for some time would help to get me to that point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've considered the dangers involved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How far down are you going to be buried?
unidentified		Rusty, we're going to dig a hole that's going to be five feet deep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty deep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not the traditional six, but pretty deep.
unidentified		And I'll be prepared for that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to take your normal casket with you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or is it going to be a special affair?
unidentified		No, I'm going to buy a different one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're going to buy a special casket for this?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
unidentified		I have two caskets in the home, and they're very beautiful, and I wouldn't want to get them dirty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that would be one for you and one for my wife, yeah.
		And one for your wife.
		So, once again, your wife is also a vampire.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, Morgan, hold on.
		I'm sure they'll have questions for you out there.
		I certainly have many more.
		So she's a vampire, too.
unidentified		huh One possible path to everlasting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Truly everlasting love.
unidentified		If you live with regret, I come back and in you.
		Forgiveness, forgiveness, that's what we want to do.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		even though i've been having a little fun with morgan morgan is a to read from his email again a blood-drinking casket sleeping uh...
		you know the first half hour time or and i i began to get the idea of it He really is this.
		He's got plans to be buried five feet down with a little straw going up to take air so he can really get the feel of the dirt.
		Anyway, Morgan's a vampire, and we'll be right back with him.
unidentified		music
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, Morgan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Morgan.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, before we dive into the phones here, there are a lot of people who have questions for you, obviously.
		Oh, sure.
		Oh, sure.
		You know, is there anything about vampirism that we haven't covered that people should know that's important?
unidentified		I would just advise people to be very careful when they meet someone who claims to be a vampire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		Why don't they jump into anything?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		well right but why do you say that i mean That wouldn't be you.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there's some troubled portion of the vampire world?
unidentified		Yes, a small segment of teens.
unidentified		Mostly teens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Always.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A few bad apples, huh?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, are you...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Literally thousands in some cities.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty hard to buy.
unidentified		Well, you could look on the internet, I suppose, if you really wanted to find out more information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I never thought of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go to like Google and Google Vampires?
unidentified		Yes, there are churches in New York City, temples in, there's one in Seattle.
		We have them.
		They're growing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I actually, I think I believe you.
		I really do.
		I think that it may be so.
		And that's going to concern a lot of people.
		All right.
		A few questions from the audience.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Morgan the vampire.
unidentified		Yes, hi.
		My name's David.
		I'm calling from New Jersey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, David.
unidentified		And I'd like to know, is it true that vampires fear garlic?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		I do personally do not like garlic.
		I don't eat it, and I have nothing to do with it.
		I will not allow it in my house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		And it's my personal preference.
unidentified		I'll break out in a rash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, do you hear that?
unidentified		Break out in a rash, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, he breaks out in a rash.
unidentified		Also, is there a cure for the bloodlust?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		None that I know of.
unidentified		And I don't know that I would want one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you're happy.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I thought that would be your answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
		So what do you think?
		Is this the real McCoy we've got here?
unidentified		Call him?
		Yeah, he sounds genuine.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He does to me, too.
		All right.
		I very much appreciate your call and your question.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		I began to realize, I mean, you never know, see, when you get an email like this, whether you're going to get the real McCoy or whether you're going to get, you know, somebody yanking on your leg.
		But you really do seem...
unidentified		It's a way of a life.
		I've become this, and I enjoy it.
		We all do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we all, not all of us do.
unidentified		Those who are born.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean vampires?
		Yes, yes.
		Oh, my God.
		I did just Google Vampire, and the links are absolutely endless.
		Endless.
		I had no idea.
		I truly had no idea.
		I never took a look at Google and Vampires before.
		Holy Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Morgan.
		Hello.
unidentified		Me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you.
unidentified		First, I want to go by my screen name on the screen link.
unidentified		Is that okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure.
unidentified		Illuminati Resistance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I have a question.
unidentified		Have you or any of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that like a first name and a last name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Illuminati and then Resistance is your last name, or is that just a full handle?
unidentified		Full handle.
unidentified		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot to say all at once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Have you encountered any vampire hunters?
unidentified		I've been warned of them, and I have heard of them, and I've certainly researched them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, why do you say that, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say that like you might either be or know about vampire hunters.
unidentified		And can silver actually kill vampires, or wear over any of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would a real vampire hunter ask that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a vampire hunter?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		No, I'm a little mighty resistant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah, well, I got that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so silver.
unidentified		Silver's no problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't there something about a silver bullet that would kill me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, a silver bullet would, well, probably a lead one would, too.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
		It would kill my human body, but my vampire soul would live on.
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But see, that's not altogether different than other people believe.
		It sounds like, is vampirism a religion?
		Is it fair to call it a religion?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		and in that religion what is worshiped is it a deity or is it Really?
unidentified		And we worship our undead gods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Undead gods.
unidentified		The people, the vampires that have been here before, that have passed on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Who speak to us and channel to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Channeling.
unidentified		We worship to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm kind of down on channeling.
		I don't know why.
		It seems to me that channeling, well, I don't know.
		Just so it would be so easy to fake it.
		I was never much of a channel person.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Morgan.
unidentified		Is that me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's you.
unidentified		Yes, I was wondering why you would have to have an oxygen tube.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To breathe?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Morgan?
unidentified		I couldn't hear the question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he was asking why you would need an oxygen tube at all.
		In other words, he's thinking that being the vampire you claim you are, that you wouldn't need oxygen.
		Is that right, Colla?
unidentified		Yes, that's correct.
		I will need oxygen to breathe.
		I will be slowing my body down while I'm in the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So I will not be a rapid heartbeat, and I'll be very meditative.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's going to be kind of like a sensory deprivation chamber, isn't it?
unidentified		Very much so.
unidentified		But it's vital for me to be in the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this something that all vampires eventually get to somehow, or is this just something you are doing?
unidentified		Oh, many do this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Many do this.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I'm not the only one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's amazing.
		It's really amazing.
		So there's like this whole world out there that I don't know anything about.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
unidentified		Well, you're learning now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Morgan the Vampire.
unidentified		Hey, this is Kurt in Phoenix.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Kurt.
unidentified		I'm on one of these stupid cell phones.
unidentified		Sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll bear with it.
unidentified		All right.
		Vampire Man, do you believe in God and or Jesus?
		And what do you think they think about all this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or when he said all that, did you just drop the phone?
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm talking to Morgan here.
unidentified		I believe in God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You believe in God?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
unidentified		And the devil thinks about you drinking blood and stuff, all this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He couldn't be that.
		Well, I don't know.
		You wouldn't think he'd be that happy about it, though.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Do you worry about going to hell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, there's another good one.
unidentified		No, I don't worry about going to hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
unidentified		I'm not sure that it would be a bad place to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hell?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well?
unidentified		As defined by the Christian Bible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you imagine hell might be, Morgan?
unidentified		It would not be, as in the Christian Bible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't think there'd be pitchforks and fire and brimstone and all the traditional hell accoutrements?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
		One more, Morgan, very quickly.
		You're on the air with Morgan.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
unidentified		Hello, Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, go ahead.
unidentified		Yeah, my name's Kenny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kenny?
unidentified		Yeah, and I'm calling from Clarksville, Indiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Kenny, what's up?
unidentified		I just want to know if if he says he's he stays in during the day and he's all prow he prowls through the night, right?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, and you live on blood alone?
		No, no, no.
		No.
		I eat food.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, do you take blood or drink blood just as a dietary supplement or is it important?
unidentified		Blood is spiritual and it's necessary.
unidentified		Without it, if I go more than a week, or if any of us go more than a week, we become very irritable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, that sounds almost like a narcotic where it hooked on blood.
unidentified		And so it's a very beautiful thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you have it.
		Is blood at times, I mean, does it, you know, sort of dry up?
		I mean, your connections for blood not be available at the right time?
		Or what?
unidentified		That can happen.
unidentified		and there have been times when vampires have gone and hurt people who didn't want to be involved in this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you sent me the email, you talked about a deadly serious side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the deadly serious side?
unidentified		For us, it would be the law.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, for many.
unidentified		But we really try not to break any laws.
		But there are a few sometimes that do.
		We've read about those in the newspapers.
		They give us all a bad name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's always a few bad apples.
		I guess even with vampirism, huh?
		All right.
		Well, it's interesting to see what the reaction of the audience is like.
		The first time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm friends with Morgan, the vampire.
unidentified		I actually know him and...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you really know each other?
unidentified		What is your name?
		Jason, I'm friends with Nathan and Adam, your sons.
		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, one thing is turn your radio off.
		Turn that radio off, Kevin.
		Kevin, yes.
		So you know Morgan, huh?
unidentified		Yes, I know both of his sons.
		And I can verify he is a vampire.
		I have seen the coffins.
		I have seen the fangs and all that stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not a vampire, though?
unidentified		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so you know Morgan.
		Morgan, do you recognize this person?
		Yes, yes.
		You're verifying he's a vampire.
		Yes.
		Did he tell you this, or did you just realize, holy smokes, Morgan's a vampire?
unidentified		Well, you know, he's disgusted with me, and I've seen his fangs, and I've seen the coffins by going and visiting my friends, and I've asked them stuff about it.
unidentified		It's kind of interesting and cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you have no problem with it?
unidentified		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Haven't you ever felt like sort of, I don't know, guarding your neck or something?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you're around him?
unidentified		No.
		Never felt threatened.
		Never, you know, felt any kind of, you know, threat from Morgan.
		He's a cool dude.
		You know, I don't think he would, you know, do anything without asking.
		Like he said, the blood circle and all that stuff, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call, and I'm sure Morgan appreciates the support.
		Thank you, Dave.
		All right, so there you are.
		Neighbor or close friend of a vampire.
		Oh, my wildcard line.
		You're on the air with Morgan the vampire.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		Going once, going twice, gone east of the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Morgan.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, how are you doing, Hart?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty well, sir.
unidentified		Hey, hello.
		Good morning, Morgan.
		Mm-hmm.
		I was just wondering, this is Jazz Cat in the Yahoo chat room.
		I was just wondering, Morgan, do you shop at Hot Topic?
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is that?
		Some kind of plug?
		That's a plug, huh?
		Do you have a serious question?
		Come on.
		We've got a vampire here.
		You don't get a chance to ask a vampire a question every day.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		No, that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		All right.
		Just a plug.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Morgan the Vampire.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Fred.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Fred.
unidentified		From Centerville.
unidentified		I was just wondering, like, does it have to be the blood of humans, or can it be, like, blood of animals?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a really good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really, maybe too good a question.
unidentified		And blood from an animal will suffice with nothing else available, but it will not do the trick ultimately.
unidentified		Once you've had the taste of blood in your system, you need human blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you catch that, Color?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interested?
unidentified		Oh, I don't think I am up for any donations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well.
unidentified		I have another question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you do?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Like, what if the person whose blood you're getting takes, like, medication, and there's medication in their bloodstream?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Never thought of that.
unidentified		Is that affected?
		Canadian.
		We're very careful, and we screen our donors to make sure that that is not a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They practice safe vampirism.
		He wants that known.
		All right?
		All right, there you are.
		First time caller line, you are on the air with Morgan.
unidentified		Hey, Laura, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		Good.
		I have a question for Morgan.
		How are you doing, Morgan?
		Fine.
		I have a friend who's a werewolf, and I'm familiar with some of the circles that you guys run in.
		And I have a question.
		First of all, do you ever worry about blood-borne viruses like AIDS?
		I mean, the Chinese drink duck blood.
		That's part of their daily diet, and they have the bird flu stuff over there.
		So do you worry about that or what?
		Yes, we do.
		And I worry very much about that, and I'm very careful, as I told you earlier, to make sure that would not be a problem.
		How do you test the blood?
		We have a nurse In our circle.
		Okay.
		And we screen the blood.
		Okay, and this is a common thing, Art.
		It's been going on for centuries.
		I mean, vampirism is bigger than you think.
		Just go on the internet and you'll see what I mean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I did.
		I went and hit Google with vampire, and it was just unending.
		So I do admit, I'm actually admitting I'm blown away.
		Were you the one who said you had a friend who's a wild?
		A werewolf.
unidentified		Really?
		Yeah, they have what they call, well, they have role-playing groups all over the country, but a lot of these guys in the role-playing groups are actually vampires and werewolves.
		They actually are.
		They're not just pretending.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do vampires find things in common, Morgan, with werewolves and other alternative lifestyles?
unidentified		Yes, there are some people who we've run across who on a full moon very much go to become like a werewolf.
unidentified		And we will at times share blood with them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But Cole, are you saying it's really right, huh?
unidentified		I believe it because the guy knows a mathematician.
unidentified		I won't mention his name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't.
unidentified		But he's a very intelligent guy.
		And, you know, I've never seen him transform, but I really believe it because he believes it.
		So, you know, that's the best I can tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he claims that kind of in the middle of the night he transforms into a wolf?
unidentified		Absolutely.
		There's a whole culture.
		They have rules.
		I mean, they have like a whole doctrine surrounding all this stuff.
		Yes, and if we can help those people who have that werewolf feeling by donating blood to them to stop them from hurting someone, we'll be more than happy to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you saying that werewolves, from the public's point of view, might be more of a danger than vampires?
unidentified		I would think so, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Vampirism is becoming very organized and very structured.
unidentified		It's coming together in a very good way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, on the off chance that somebody out there just realized the lust is theirs, I mean, how do they go about?
		How would anybody go about finding other vampires?
		You know, I guess what?
		In today's modern world, what am I saying?
		There's the internet.
unidentified		Well, there's nightclubs.
		And you know where to go.
		It's just an inner feeling.
		If you have it, they will find you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, vampires have social lives.
		They go to nightclubs.
		They go up to chicks and give them lines like, well, I don't know.
		It's a critical moment.
		Hey, baby, you want to make a donation?
		What?
unidentified		No, you might start the conversation by talking about anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what about those big teeth of yours?
unidentified		Well, those that are receptive to me since I'm married, but someone who would be receptive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
unidentified		It's not a problem if they like that and they're drawn to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Morgan, we're out of time.
		Brother, it has been unusual, and I really appreciate your coming on the air.
		Thank you.
		All right.
		Good night.
unidentified		Thank you, and good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Truly, only in America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		grow up and get the lost In America, we'll be back and we'll talk about out-of-body experiences from the high desert in the middle of the night.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed, and it is the weekend of Saturday night at that.
		I hope everybody is well.
		This is going to be extremely interesting.
		Vampires.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Coming up, William Buhlman, who happens to be America's leading expert on out-of-body experiences.
		That's right.
		The author's 30 years of extensive personal out-of-body explorations give him a unique and thought-provoking insight into this subject.
		This is real stuff, folks.
		I had one I know.
		During the last eight years, he's conducted an international out-of-body experience survey that includes over 16,000 participants from 32 countries.
		The provocative results of this survey are presented in his latest book, The Secret of the Soul.
		The Secret of the Soul.
		That's a good title.
		As a certified hypnotherapist, William incorporates various methods, including hypnosis, visualization, meditation techniques, in his workshops to explore the profound nature of out-of-body experiences and the benefits of accelerated personal development through lectures, workshops, and in his books.
		The author teaches the preparation and techniques of authentic spiritual exploration.
		It is possible to leave your body.
		Let me say that again.
		It is possible to leave your body.
		I did it once, uninvited, unexpected, maybe even unwelcome, although certain aspects of it were very pleasurable and wonderful.
		But I don't think I would want to repeat it, and I have certainly never attempted to repeat it.
		If you're curious what this is, and I imagine a lot of you are, I know that a lot of you know a lot about this particular subject, and a lot of you don't know a darn thing about it.
		So we'll, of course, cover some of the basics and then I guess some of the more exotic stuff involving out-of-body experiences coming up.
		Music This will seem positively tame compared to interviewing a vampire.
		William, welcome to the show.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Art.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It's a pleasure to talk to you again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's nice to have you back.
		Can you imagine in your wildest dreams that across the country there are thousands and thousands of vampires and werewolves and things that we think are, you know, myth and movie, right?
		But really these people who think they're vampires and all the rest of it all across America, do you think that could be true?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I don't doubt anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've come to the same point where, like, nothing shocks me anymore.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's how I feel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What the heck?
		It's America.
		All right, so let's talk about something I do know is real, and that's out-of-body experiences.
		I guess the best way to begin would be for you, well, let's see, describe what it is.
		What is an out-to-most people, they laugh.
		What are you talking about?
		Out-of-body experience.
		Yeah, when you die, they think.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a real misconception out there about what it is.
		It's really the separation of consciousness from the body.
		And it happens all the time, all across the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is consciousness our soul?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I think soul is an aspect of consciousness.
		I think consciousness is a multi-dimensional continuum that is quite expansive.
		And the soul is part of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The soul is part of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		the soul is part of consciousness so the larger Okay.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		But not consciousness necessarily thereof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then when you do have an out-of-body experience, your soul is not leaving your body.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Generally not.
		That's one of the biggest misconceptions because we live under a real limited viewpoint of the universe and ourselves.
		You know, we've kind of bought into this fairy tale that we are made up of two bodies, body and spirit.
		And of course, those of us who have out-of-body experiences know that the universe is much more complex.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a certain relationship between OBEs or out-of-body experiences and near-death experiences, right?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		An OBE is part of the elements involved in a near-death experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		But it's only one element of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When somebody has a near-death experience, do you think that more than just consciousness has left the body temporarily?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you get all the millions of stories of people on the operating room ceiling, that kind of thing.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		has a soul in that case left the body i think i think it's the mind and the astral body has separated from It's hard to get answers for this stuff.
		Well, I think the real separation is really the astral body, the emotional body has separated.
		And most people identify with that as being their self.
		So they just assume that the soul has left the body.
		But the bottom line is there's a big difference between a near-death experience and an out-of-body experience.
		Out-of-body experiences are much more prevalent because they occur spontaneously during sleep.
		And, of course, you don't have to die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		That's a good point, of course.
		You don't have to die.
		But still, I'm going to do what I'm forced to do because I have to relate to my own experience.
		This has happened to me, as you know.
		We've talked about it in previous shows.
		But boy, I'll tell you what, William, when it happened, I wasn't meditating.
		I wasn't wishing anything on myself.
		I wasn't thinking that I'd want to have an out-of-body experience.
		It was the furthest thing from my mind.
		And it just happened.
unidentified		Boom!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It just happened like that.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's wild.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		That's what happens to millions and millions of people around the world every single day.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And they don't, it's not self-initiated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't happen to me every day.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		No, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're saying it happens to millions?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It happens to millions of people every day.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I get incredible feedback from people from all over the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's why this is such a hot topic, because this does happen to people.
		It really does happen to people.
		And I would imagine what percentage of people, William, do you think that this happens to don't have the slightest dog-on idea what an OBE is, don't listen to Costco Dam or any other show like it.
		They just have no idea what just happened to them.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's the problem, Mark.
		Most people that have these experiences don't have a clue, and they don't have any accurate information.
		So they just fluff it off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, a lot of people would think, what?
		Did I just have a heart attack or a stroke or something like that?
		Or because it's pretty dramatic when it happens.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely is.
		But most people don't have a context to put it in.
		So they have a hard time.
		I mean, you know, we've talked about this in the past.
		Some people think it's an alien abduction because that's their frame of reference on this topic.
		Some people, I've had letters from people that think that the devil is taking them away.
		And it all depends on your frame of reference.
		And unfortunately, our society is not well educated on this universal topic.
		It isn't really into just this last 10 years that people really started to talk about this subject openly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're right about one thing.
		it is universal uh...
		it's just You really can leave your body.
		When did it, you know, it's still not mainstream, so I can't say when did it go mainstream, but I mean, when did it sort of congeal into the world talking about it?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I think that began with Moody's work that come out, Life After Life, with his near-death work, where he talks about he actually coined the word out of body in that book, which was published, I believe, in 1972.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Raymond Moody.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yes, who's a wonderful man, and he did a great service to humanity by breaking the mold and starting to talk about these subjects.
		And he brought a lot of credibility to the topic because he was a physician.
		And people started to take this stuff seriously.
		And then from then on, there was quite a few books, including my own, come out in 96, which thank goodness now it did well and is in eight languages.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so this is still, though, it's a relatively new, recognized phenomenon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that fair to say?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It is.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It's really about 20 to 30 years old that it's, and really in the last 10, no, I would say it's really become mainstream where you see bumper stickers and t-shirts and stuff like that out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you really?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		They're out there.
		It's kind of surprising.
		I was in Vegas doing a workshop and somebody had a, you know, don't bother me.
		They were sitting at the casino playing cards.
		I couldn't believe it.
		On the t-shirt on the back, it said, don't bug me.
		I'm having an OBE.
		I'll be back in a few minutes.
unidentified		Well, a lot of people leave the bodies temporarily in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		Since there will be a lot of people who will not know what we really are talking about, you may have had the beginnings of an OBE, folks.
		Even if you didn't have a full one, you may have had the beginnings.
		In fact, I think almost everybody has had the beginnings of an OBE.
		What does it feel like when you start to have one?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's one of the things I did my survey on.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I was fascinated with the what were the common phenomena associated with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, all right.
		Tell them about your survey, I guess.
		How many people did you, may I ask?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Sure, yeah.
		The survey, I started it.
		It was, of course, published in my first book, and then I put it on my website, which is linked to yours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And I thought maybe a couple hundred people would respond, and lo and behold, I had over 16,000 people responded in the last few years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is on your website the survey can be taken on your side?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I invite all the listeners out there to come to my website and participate in the survey.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It only takes a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, folks, and what you're about to hear, and there's a lot of information you're going to get tonight based on this survey, is from 16,185 people, right?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And actually, the number is much greater than that now, but that's what the survey results was based on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		So then let's describe it.
		And perhaps you can use some of the survey numbers as you describe it.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Well, absolutely.
		I think people would be surprised.
		Number one is, well, this is often, OBEs occur often spontaneously during sleep.
		Let me preface that so people have an idea what we're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do they ever occur when you're awake?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		They can, but they're much less frequent.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		They generally, I don't know the exact percentage, but I would say high 90, certainly 95 to 98 percent of people, they are asleep or on the verge of sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was my next question.
		When you say sleep, do you mean the little twilight zone between this world and that?
		What happens to this?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Well, generally that's the case.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It's called the hypnagogic state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Which is that in-between state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every now and then, and I'm sure this is true of everybody, as you approach sleep, you can actually feel yourself come in and out of it a couple of times, and then, boom, you're gone.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		No one knows what sleep is.
		Think about it.
		Science does not know what a dream is, and we really don't know what sleep.
		What happens when we sleep for a third of our lives?
		No one really, truly knows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And think about that.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And this impacts all the listeners out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much scientific...
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		We know there's REM states.
		We know that there's changes that occur, but the point is nobody has a video of what occurs to consciousness when we go into this strange altered state, because that's what sleep is, an altered state of consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, yes.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		What happens?
		What is a dream?
		Is a dream, are we touching some form of reality?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or is it just made up?
		When you're asleep, is it the absence of consciousness?
		Could it be described as an absence of consciousness?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a shift of consciousness.
		That's how I feel today after all of my research and my experiences with this.
		We shift our consciousness into another, for lack of another, the word is energy body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know how common people are, but I'll tell you something, William.
		Most nights, this is the truth, from the time I finally hit sleep until I wake up the next morning, there is the great.
		Nothing.
		Nothing.
		Dead.
unidentified		Nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, occasionally, of course, I have a dream.
		I can have nightmares.
		I've had, but you know what?
		The majority of the time, it's just like I goodbye, and then, you know, it's the next day.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've went into a very deep state.
		A lot of people are like that.
		You asked me a little bit earlier about what do people experience?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And I'd like to briefly go over that because I think your listeners may identify with all of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, the beginning of an OBE.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the beginning of an OBE is number one is energy sensations.
		Sleep paralysis is 72% of people in the survey reported sleep paralysis, which I'm sure a large percentage.
		By that I mean your consciousness is awake or at some point, but you can't move your body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And it's quite shocking to people.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It's one of the scariest sensations that people can have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you become conscious enough to be aware of the fact that you are frozen, it's frightening, of course.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And that is one that especially scares children.
		But everyone, you can't control it.
		And that's one thing that everyone fears is that sense of having no control.
		But yet you're fully aware.
		The other one that's very prevalent, 85% of people reported buzzing, humming, and roaring sounds.
		In other words, an unusual sound while you're asleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And it can be very metallic sounding.
		And again, I like to connect this to the alien abduction phenomena.
		That's the same kind of phenomena that's reported during so-called abductions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe they actually are connected in more than just the ways you're describing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, have people hit you with that question?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I get hit with that all the time.
		I've spoken at, geez, I think 10 UFO conferences.
		I do an hour and a half lecture just on that connection.
		So yes, I think it's a serious connection because it's a multi-dimensional continuum that we live in.
		And I think alien experiences and OBEs are multidimensional experiences.
		So the two tie together.
		I mean, they're just, they're so much in sync with one another.
		Anyway, getting to the list, the next one that many people experience is a feeling of being lifted or floating or sinking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Very common.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So far, I mean, I've had all these.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And of course, any sensation of being touched or a feeling that someone is in the bed, and I know I get so many letters about this from people.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It feels like you swear someone is, let's say you're in bed by yourself, but you feel the presence of someone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		That's another phenomenon, very common.
		Hearing voices.
		I know I've had this on many occasions where I hear my, it sounds like my mother's voice calling me.
		Just my name.
		And I've had, oh, geez, hundreds and hundreds of people have written to me about this in detail.
		But all these things start to, all these things are very common experiences for people.
		Now, just to clarify this, this is the different kinds of phenomena that are the onset and aftermath that people experience of an OBE.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could say precursor.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		No, all of this, especially paralysis and buzzing, humming sounds and high energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the great majority of the time, these things, even though a lot of us have experienced them, they don't progress into a real full-fledged OBE, do they?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		No, because of fear.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		People start to freak out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's the onset of it beginning to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what stops this is you.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		People begin, oh, geez, I can relate because these experiences have scared me on more than one occasion, especially when you don't know what's happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's terrifying when you have no knowledge about this and suddenly you feel like you're totally out of control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And if you think that's something, when a real OBE grabs you and takes hold and you leave your body, you actually leave your body.
		Well, then it's not so bad.
		That's the good part, actually.
		But that stuff that comes just before it, it's like a warrant.
		You would not feel good.
		You'd not feel comfortable.
		You'd not like it.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is one ride you can take.
		This is for real, folks.
		You really can do this.
		It takes an awful lot of will, and it takes actually courage that I've never developed.
		I've been right up to the edge, and I had one real one, but I have no control over that one.
		In terms of allowing it to go and really taking that ride, I have never, ever volunteered.
		Not yet.
		I may.
		I may.
		I may give it a try, but I never have.
		If you listen tonight, you'll find out how you can do it.
		And then when the time comes, if you can muster up the correct body parts, you can do it.
		You can ruin a dick ride.
		You can go outside your body.
unidentified		Where?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we'll talk about where you can go.
unidentified		Oh, we'll talk about where you can go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's absolutely remarkable.
		I have, of course, a computer at my side, and people can fast blast me questions from the website, coast2coastam.com.
		And man, that thing is filling up with hundreds already, just literally hundreds of people reporting the things that we're talking about right now.
		That's how common it is.
		Every phone line is lit up and singing a song.
		We'll get to that later, folks, so mellow out there.
		But what I'm trying to tell you is that this is so common, so under-reported, so universal that when you talk about it, everything starts going berserk if you do a radio program like this with William Buehlman.
		So that's how common it is, William.
		It's incredible.
		But these first things that you talked about, these vibrations, this paralysis, all the rest of it, the noise that you might experience, all of this is highly unpleasant most of the time.
		I mean, it's something you don't want anything to do with, and you force yourself awake a lot of times just to stop it, right?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, to a point, and until you get used to it.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		That's one of the things I train people to do in my workshops is to condition themselves to adapt to it so that they can use the precursor, the sounds, as almost like a launching pad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		In other words, they're not really, they're actually very neutral.
		They're wonderful experiences once you know what they are and you surrender to them.
		The key is to surrender instead of freaking out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the key, and that's the stumbling block.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It sure is.
		And that's the block that many people have in this topic.
		But the bottom line is everybody listening in your audience is going to have an OBE.
		There's no escaping.
		We all will leave our body.
		So it's about time that we start to learn about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you including death?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Well, what else is death?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		What is a permanent OBE?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, aside or prior to death, everybody art has OBEs as they sleep.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		They just don't remember them.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		They block them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I have seen it enough during out-of-body experiences.
		Matter of fact, many people, when they sleep, they'll separate and they hover.
		In other words, it's what many people call their astral body is floating, just out of sync with their physical body.
		I'm not mean up at the ceiling or anything, but maybe three or four inches just floating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, how do you figure what happened to me?
		I hate people who tell old stories, and I've told this before, but there's a big audience that's never heard it.
		I was in Paris lying in bed.
		We were on vacation.
		I was with my wife.
		Everything was great, spiffy.
		I was trying to fall asleep or asleep.
		I don't know which.
		I can't even remember now.
		And it happened in a flash, William, in an unmeasurable amount of time.
		nobody could measure the time and i was i was suddenly about my body over the city of paris out by i was at It was words just can't describe what I felt.
		And then, bang!
		It ended, and I was back in my body and shocked and waking my wife up and driving her nuts saying, you wouldn't believe what just happened to me.
		And that's the only time it's ever happened.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And you know, you just described what has happened to millions of people around the world.
		Because it's often, it's just a totally spontaneous event, and bang, you're floating up into the sky or at your ceiling or just floating out of your Body somewhere, and most of the people that, according to the survey, most of the people found it to be an incredibly enjoyable experience.
		Now, not all, but just like you, you had it's a remarkable experience, and it changes people's lives because I've received many a letter from an atheist that has told me that they are no longer an atheist after an OBE.
unidentified		It's like the old foxhole story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I guess people would have different reactions, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I don't think I came away with some great new understanding of God.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		But don't you think you continue now after your body's gone?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		If you can float up into the sky and you're going to be gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't leave your body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I leave your body.
unidentified		Well.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't FDU provide evidence that you continue beyond the body?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It provides anecdotal evidence for me.
		If you're asking me, and I'll tell you why, because to me, sure, it's something that happens, but it's something that happens so far to a living, albeit perhaps sleeping, human body.
		Living is the key word there, living.
		So, yeah, I mean, we may have powers of the mind that we just don't even begin to guess about yet.
unidentified		You said it yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't know anything about our brains, not a damn thing.
		Really, just very surface stuff.
		We know so little.
		So, a living human brain, could it do that?
		Well, yes, maybe.
		But then could it does that mean does that mean the same thing about death?
		Of course, then there's all the OBE things out there.
		So, I don't know.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Well, many people feel that that gives them a verification, including myself.
		I've had hundreds of OBEs, and it's always a constant verification to me of my immortality.
		But more importantly, it provides answers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it about that gives you absolute verification of immortality?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's a really strong.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know it's strong because I know that I can consciously direct.
		Now, I'm talking specifically about self-initiated experiences.
		Now, the very nature of a spontaneous, because I've had many spontaneous, but as you know, my books and my workshops are devoted to self-initiating the experience.
		And when you self-initiate the experience, you have much more control because you're expecting it, you're trained.
		In other words, you don't flip out.
		And because of that mindset, you can really, for lack of a better word, take advantage of it and really gain knowledge.
		You can actually, let's just say, prolong the experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's say that you learn how to do it competently and at will almost.
		Something I'm nowhere near.
		But if I could get there, and if people in the audience could get there, what could they do?
		In other words, once you are a practitioner of OBEs on a regular basis, let's say, where can you go?
		What experiences can you have?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's mind-boggling.
		The big thing is you can obtain answers to the big questions.
		What are you?
		Where did you come from?
		Where are you going?
		What is your purpose?
		Those four big questions, I think, are number one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those are pretty big questions, aren't they?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they are.
		I mean, in other words, one thing I learned very quickly is that I realized immediately that I had passed lives as a German tank commander and that I had died in World War II.
		And it was very clear to me.
		It wasn't any theoretical hocus-pocus.
		I knew for a fact that I was a German officer during World War II, and I died on the Russian front.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You knew all this?
		You knew all this.
		How?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Because you're interacting.
		Remember, when you leave your body, you're going inward.
		We are non-physical beings.
		Consciousness is non-physical.
		I think everybody in the audience would agree.
		Consciousness is not a physical thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I agree.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It's certainly not a three-pound mass of self.
		It's something more.
		The problem is science can't touch it.
		They can't analyze it.
		When you have an OBE, you're going inward into the universe and experiencing higher aspects of yourself.
		And when you do that, you obtain information and knowledge that is really unexplainable by our linear thought.
		But you can obtain insight that you know are true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Slow up.
		William, what if I were to ask you to answer?
		I mean, you're telling me that you can answer those questions.
		You've obviously asked.
		I don't know the answer to those questions.
		Would you like to actually try to answer a few of them based on knowledge gained with OBEs?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Well, number one, I know for a fact that I am pure consciousness without a body.
		I know from prolonging...
		As I prolong my OBEs, my humanoid form dissolves away.
		And I've done this many, many times.
		In other words, even most of our self-concepts are totally incorrect because we're programmed to believe that we're physical beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have, this has always been of interest to me, one can do actual travel while out of the body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can actually pick your destinations, right?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		If you wish, you can absolutely pick a destination or you can visit people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once out of the body, do you feel any physical identity at all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or is that just all gone?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It depends on your state of consciousness.
		And I'm not trying to sidestep the question.
		We are multi-dimensional beings.
		The universe, one of the things I know from out-of-body exploration is that the universe is multi-dimensional continuum and that the physical world is Like the epidermis layer.
		When you leave your body, you're actually going inward into the subtle substructure of matter.
		And of course, this is where everyone goes when they die.
		Heaven, this whole term of heaven is nothing more than just a crude biblical phrase denoting this multi-dimensional continuum.
		And when no one really dies, they just shed the outer body and move to the inner world.
		Or worlds, actually, there's many, many countless worlds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So without...
		Okay, well, here's a big one for me then.
		Are you saying that when we die, our consciousness as we understand it now, remains intact?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		More or less, I'm not saying that the ego per se, but more the core of our consciousness will continue.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And I know that's, for many people, that's shocking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
		Let's try and put words to it.
		Here I sit, right?
		Table here, radio equipment, tape, machines, that kind of stuff all around me.
		When I die, will I have that kind of awareness?
		Or can you put words to what there is left?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		There'll still be, you will have an awareness of your beingness, your I-ness.
		You will still be, and your own self-conception will still be that of your last incarnation.
		You will still consider yourself Art Bill.
		Because people continue in the same, it's like when I, and I'm using my own life as an example, but I have thousands of people's letters and I've talked to people over the last 10 years and gathered tremendous feedback from people.
		And many people, one of the first things they do when they have an out-of-body experience is visit a dead loved one.
		Or a dead loved one will visit them.
		And of course, if you're not prepared for that, it's a little bit strange.
		But what happens is your loved one, and I'm using my mother now as an example, who I've met on multiple occasions, she's in her prime when I see her.
		By see, I mean perceive, because you don't have eyes as we know it.
		But the point is, people continue very much the same as they were.
		They just take on a, let's just say, the ideal representation of their energy body, because everything is really energy.
		Quantum physics has proven that.
		Matter really is a misnomer.
		There is no such thing as solid.
		Everything is vibrating.
		Everything is moving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are very hard concepts for us to grasp.
		Other dimensions, for example, are very hard to grasp.
		And of course, current theoretical physicists, very well-respected ones, are saying, you bet we've probably got as many as 11 dimensions.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But in another dimension, there may not be time as we understand it, the present, the past, the future, linear time.
		So we're Zilvana measuring it here.
		That may not even exist.
		And so I can't relate then to what that means in terms of what kind of consciousness could be in that environment.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Well, it actually is not as radical.
		For most people, it's not as radical as a change as you may think because most people will, let's just say when they make the transition of death, they will find themselves on, and I hate the word astral, but that's fine.
		It's such a common phrase.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got to use a word.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It's what people perceive or the astral plane, which is the next major dimension parallel to the physical.
		Now, there's what I call the parallel world, which is a small realm, but most people will end up in the astral dimension living lives in many respects like they've done in the physical.
		They will still have form.
		They will still have a body.
		It will just be made of a different kind of matter, different kinds of vibrations.
		But it will still, to them, feel...
		If you and I were vibrating 100 times faster, and we couldn't tell the difference from, you know, just like two jet planes going Mach 3 next to one another are standing still.
		The same applies here.
		Everybody continues, and the vast majority, because of their evolution, will continue on different aspects of the astral plane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But still, I'm sorry to keep coming back to this question.
		I only have this frame of reference.
		I can see things about me.
		I know I am.
		I know how I trot through linear measured time.
		And I can't even reference a self-awareness, a continuance, would have to include some continuation of identity, if not ego, certain identity, self-awareness, right?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		So you would continue to be Art Bill into your next incarnation.
		That's the only way I can put it.
		You would be Art Bill on the astral plane.
		That's the way it appears to be.
		That's based on many, and I'm not just basing this on my observations for thousands of people.
		if then we assume the astral plane is the other side of place where one resides of prior to another incarnation then just for grins what about ghosts growth or nothing more then up Let's just say the astral body that's been slowed down so that you can see it for a brief period of time.
		That's all it is.
		Ghosts are such a, it's almost a fun hour...
		It's almost silly because we're surrounded by people all the time that are vibrating just out of sync with us so we can't see them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Put another way, you're saying we're surrounded by...
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It's not separated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All around us.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		The only thing that separates the astral plane from the physical is the vibration rate of it.
		The phenomena of ghost is nothing more than an individual on the lower aspects, the dense vibrations of the astral plane.
		Actually, because they're obsessed with matter, they've lowered their vibration rate for a brief period of time to the point of being observed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then what we call the dead are all around us.
		They really are.
		All they are.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Everything is here and now.
		Everything.
		We just can't perceive it with our crude vision and our crude instruments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's certainly something to think about.
		And if that veil was ever removed, then there would be perhaps something as described in the Bible when the dead would rise or something.
		I don't know.
		William, hold on.
		We're at the top of the hour here.
		This certainly is fascinating stuff, isn't it?
		William Buhlman is my guest.
		We're talking about OBEs or out-of-body experiences, and obviously it's sort of leading into some other areas here.
		Fascinating, though.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I've been listening to William correctly, and I think I have, he's telling us we really need to redefine everything we think we know about life, death especially, and that we're simply talking about different vibrational rates, different dimensions, if you prefer.
		And all of this, all the dead, all of everything that's ever been or ever will be, is all around us in a different state.
		Something to really think about.
		We'll be right back.
		i don't think i over dramatize that that i in other words uh...
		you have to sort of But there is everything, and it's all around us.
		And that includes the dead, and that includes what was, is, and will be, and in some way that we can't, well, I guess you might understand.
		Is that fair?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a good analogy.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I think the most important point that I really like to make is that, you know, you cover a lot of subjects on this show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		But when it comes down to it, a lot of these subjects are about belief.
		This one is not.
		This is about people having their own experiences.
		I really tell everyone in workshops and lectures, don't believe what I say or write.
		Explore this for yourself and have the experience yourself.
		Self-initiate the experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here, try this one out, William.
		During this break, my wife and I were talking, and I remember, I don't know, it was months and a year ago maybe.
		My wife was driving.
		We were on the way home, last leg on the way home, and she said, I've got to stop.
		She put her head down.
		She said, we've got to stop the car for a minute.
		And she said, did you know that was an OBE?
		And I said, no.
		They can occasionally occur at truly inopportune moments when you're in a car driving or whatever.
		That's a really bad moment for one of these.
		But they do happen, don't they?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I write about that in one of my books where a woman actually, she found herself, she was watching herself driving the car as she was floating above her car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, it's needless to say that's enough to wake you up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly would.
		There you are.
		And are you, I wonder, in such a state, have accidents occurred?
		I mean, could we imagine that some percentage of the nation's traffic accidents and other accidents occur because of something like this?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I think it could happen.
		I think much more prevalent, though, is people having experiences.
		For instance, if you're I've had hundreds of letters from people that are staring at a computer screen, for instance.
		Generally, they happen when your body's totally inactive.
		I think the whole thing with the driving thing is because it's almost like a road hypnosis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what happens with a computer screen, and this is one byproduct of the modern computer age, way no doubt about it.
		You are being subjected to a vibrational flicker rate when you look at a computer screen.
		You know, when you set up your computer, it'll tell you what the flicker rate is or give you the opportunity to change it.
		But baby, you're looking at a flicker rate, and that can do something to your brain, can't it?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely, because you're not looking at matter.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		You're looking at electronic impulses, and you're staring at them for hours on end.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, recently, I don't know, a year or two ago, there were some Japanese children, maybe even hundreds of them, that were affected in some way by some TV cartoon they broadcast in Japan.
		It had some flicker rate or flash rate or whatever it was, but it really got.
		So would that be a way to induce something like this?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		There's all kinds of modern methods to induce OBEs.
		One of them is with there's companies out there that are making devices that use flickering lights with brain synchronization music to induce altered states of consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't that be along the lines of Dr. Monroe?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It's absolutely directly related.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Except in this case, these companies are making these products specifically to induce altered states.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So Dr. Monroe recognized one of the keys to inducing this.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, AppSound is a very powerful method.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I have an entire product line that I've developed with Mach One Audio that we've been marketing for years, and we're always trying to tweak it and work on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does it sound like?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like a thumping hum because it's two sounds.
		There's approximately a 3.9 hertz difference between the left and right hemispheres of the brain.
		And you induce a different, let's just say a different tone in one ear than the other.
		And your brain actually creates the third tone.
		And I'm using, you know, again, this is non-technical format to explain this.
		And it alters the brain waves just by simply by doing this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like a miniature harp.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And in a way, it is like a tuning fork in a way.
		You have a tuning fork in each ear that's just out of sync.
		Well, your mind is creating a third or your brain is creating a third tone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		William, do you know what harp is, actually?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One of the claims that they're making with harp is that it could be used as a tactical weapon to confuse the enemy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		and they're talking about using the same kind of frequency ranges that you're talking about right now.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		But this is, of course, this is a, you're, Yes, yes, yes.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And what I'm talking about is basically music.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It has a whole different function.
		Now, I don't know much about the HARP project.
		But I do know a lot about the technology that we've developed, and it's very safe, and it helps people to meditate, especially.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's talk about the safe side of this for a second, because while I certainly know you can leave your body, it doesn't, well, there are questions.
		I mean, reasonable people who have never done this but might be willing to give it a try would have serious questions.
		And the serious questions would include, is it safe?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		That's one of the big questions.
		And I think my very presence here today is evidence that it is.
		My first out-of-body experience was in 1972.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And I've had them ever since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many do you estimate you've done?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I would say probably 500 maybe.
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william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And I'm not exaggerating because a lot of times, you know what happens, and this goes for everyone, when you open the door to the experience, it may take you 30, 60 days to have your first experience.
		But once you open the door, it's almost like something internally happens that no one can explain.
		But at that point, you are just open and receptive to have the experiences at any time.
		Unless you shut down psychologically because of fear, you will just have the experiences.
		A lot of times they're brief.
		I mean, you know, there could be a few seconds here and there.
		But the point is, once you're conditioned and open, they just happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea, by the way, the actual linear length of an OBE?
		Has there been any research to date that can identify when an actual OBE has begun with a person in or near the sleep state, and it has actually measured in linear time how long it went on?
		Is there any way to do that?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		There's been, Stanford University did some research on this subject.
		And of course, as you know about the Monroe Institute has done work on this.
		The problem here is that, number one, when you leave your body, time doesn't exist.
		It just doesn't exist.
		Time is just a reference point for the decay of matter.
		And once you leave your body, there's no decaying of matter.
		So time is irrelevant.
		And so it's a difficult thing to the experience.
		I'm speaking as an experiencer.
		It sounds strange, but you can live an entire life in five minutes of earth time.
		And I know it's hard to wrap our minds around this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely is.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		That's the reality of it, because things happen that are beyond our linear mindset.
		but yes, there has been research.
		Unfortunately, there's very little money allocated to this kind of research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me hit you with a doctor.
		I've got a million computer messages here, but I've got one from a physician in New Orleans, Louisiana.
		This should be challenging for you, William.
		He's explaining away the whole meaning of life through the natural or self-induced dissociative states that are part of human neurochemistry.
		Though dissociative states are odd experiences, it's absurd to dismiss God and the meaning of life because of this.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And that's a typical feedback that you get from people that have never had the experience themselves.
		And he's absolutely right.
		If you look at this objectively, it looks like a disassociative state of consciousness, which, of course, means it's not valid.
		That's why it's important.
		And my best answer to that is it's important to have the experience yourself.
		You know, every year in America...
		You know, you know that from having your own experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I absolutely do.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Any doctor, there's probably a million doctors out there would tell you that that was an hallucinary experience that you had, Mr. Art Bell.
		Sure.
		But you know it wasn't.
		You know it was something more than that.
		You may not be able to explain it, but you know it was something quite different than just an hallucination.
		And this applies to everyone out there.
		The key is to have the experience.
		Every year, 7 million people in America have near-death experiences based on the last research I've seen.
		It's over 7 million.
		And out of these 7 million people that are having near-death experiences, you could not in any way, shape, or form convince these people that they're having hallucinations and disassociative issues.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can I tell you a little story?
		Maybe you can make some sense out of this.
		Long, long ago, William, when I was young and pretty stupid, I worked for a rock and roll radio station on the island of Okinawa.
		I broke a couple of world records there.
		One of them was I went continuous DJing for 113 hours and 15 minutes.
		At the time, a record.
		No sleep during that.
		That was from like, I forget, Monday, I think it was Monday afternoon through Saturday morning or something like that.
		It was incredible.
		I wasn't allowed to use drugs.
		I had doctors, Japanese doctors all around me.
		I kept myself awake by holding frozen cans of orange juice up against my carotid artery and all over my face.
		You know, they were checking me all the time.
		No drugs, no coffee.
		Past a certain point, they made me stop because of my heart rate.
		But I can't recall.
		It was the third day or maybe into the fourth day.
		William, I was, for a long period of time, I went from the world that I was in to some other world that was every bit as real with drawers and walls.
		And I was in a house, in a situation, and it was as real as the reality in front of me right now.
		And finally, somebody shook me hard enough that I came out of this apparent dissociative state.
		but i i i must tell you william that uh...
		for the time i was in it and it was like a long period of time i was in it alternate world william with alternate people in an alternate situation that was every it is real to touch and smell and be part of is what i'm doing right now Oh, it wasn't.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Or do you feel that that was another reality you had tapped into?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, I guess that's what our big argument is about here, right?
		In other words, we've got the doctor here saying one thing and you saying something else about the very same experience.
		He's saying dismiss it because, you know, we know what it is.
		It's part of what happens to human beings.
		And then we've got you saying, no, no, no.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		this is like a ticket to ride to what's really out there and how do we figure out which is hard I think that leave that up for the for all the listeners to explore it themselves I can't prove this no more than the doctor can prove his viewpoint.
		What I ask people to do is just logically, explore it for yourself.
		If you see techniques and if you feel inclined to try these techniques, which have been proven over many, many decades to work, try them for yourself.
		Believe me, back in 72, when I had my first experience, I didn't believe this was true.
		I was an agnostic that wouldn't have, if somebody told me about this, I would have said they were crazy or smoking pot or something.
		But I had at least the open mind to try it.
		And for 30 days, I tried one of the techniques.
		And that's when I had my first experience.
		And it tell you, it changed my entire self-conception.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm also getting quite a few messages, William.
		Let's back up to the pot comment for a second.
		About ketamine, about some other drugs that are said to assist either OBEs or NDEs or this kind of experience.
		What's your whole take on the drug angle?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it should be naturally induced.
		And the reason being, and I have experienced, I've been around a while.
		I've been to Peru.
		I've studied with shaman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've done the drug route, right?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I have, they're called plant medicine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I've done with shaman, I've done plant medicines that induce altered state consciousness.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not a novice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it or is it not, forgetting about what the right thing to say here is, is it or is it not a legitimate path to that state of consciousness?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can say this.
		Shaman have been taking ayahuasca and other plant medicines for 10,000 years and doing it productively in their own culture.
		But this is my personal take is that it distorts reality, and I don't recommend it to my students.
		I don't recommend it to those who attend my workshops.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the whole thing is a distortion of reality as we feel it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		You have to be sharp.
		You have to be on the ball when you start to have these experiences so you can distinguish, let's just say, thought-created realities from objective realities.
		It takes some training.
		That's why, of course, I've written two entire books that go into this.
		This is something, though, that takes the individual to explore and to do the techniques and then let the listener decide for themselves if it's real.
		But I can tell, if you take 30 to 60 days and you do an OBE technique that I write about or techniques that I have available, most people can have an experience in that time, and then you judge for yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's tell them, I mean, maybe after the break, it's coming up pretty soon, let's tell them how to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to do that?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's exactly what I would love to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to do that too.
		But what about stress?
		You mentioned in here combat, childbirth, surgery, moments of certainly intense stress.
		Are they more likely to produce this?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		They can, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they're more likely to?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there's many different causes for out-of-body experiences.
		Childbirth being one, but combat, certainly.
		Any kind of trauma can induce it.
		Now, that doesn't mean it's not valid just because it's been induced that way.
		The same applies to a near-death experience in a way.
		I mean, they're also induced by all kinds of trauma, typically, or heart attacks, or some kind of trauma to the body, let's say.
		So, yes, OBEs are induced by all kinds of methods.
		The reason I wrote about it is because I was intrigued with the letters that I had received, especially from combat soldiers, soldiers that were in combat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'd like to hear about that, actually.
		I really would.
		If you've got letters, I've also had emails, William, from people who've been in intense firefights.
		And, man, it reads like the Twilight Zone.
		I'm telling you, it reads like the Twilight Zone.
		It's incredible.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, it is.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It's wild stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we're going to touch on that when we get back.
		William Buhlman is my guest.
		We're talking about OB's out-of-body experiences.
		And by the way, let's see.
		Is it his book, Adventures Beyond the Body?
		And I might add The Secret of the Soul.
		They're both available if you want to go take a look.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Firefights.
		Really scary firefights.
		They happen in wars.
		And we have, unfortunately, a lot of our young people in wars right now.
		And they write letters about what happens to them.
		In a moment, we'll ask William what kind of letters he gets.
		Combat.
		Yeah, it's like the Twilight Zone.
		It really is.
		You've had some letters.
		What kind of things have you been told by people in combat?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's been tremendous.
		Matter of fact, I devoted an entire chapter just to this topic in Secret of the Soul.
		Generally, they were, let's just say, OBEs induced by severe trauma, for instance, mortar attacks.
		One of them that hits me particularly was it was a platoon that was ambushed in the Delta, and they were hit by a severe attack of mortars, and the entire platoon was decimated.
		And the bottom line was they were all, I think there was only three survivors, if I remember right, from this one story out of this company.
		And the only reason the one survived is that he was knocked back from the blast of, and of course he received shrapnel.
		But he was actually floating above his body, and he watched as the VC come in and stripped his body of his boots and his weapon.
		And he actually watched it from above, looking down on this whole site.
		And the only reason he wasn't killed was because they already thought he was dead.
		And he watched all his friends having it, because I guess the boots were the big thing that they would steal immediately, and then they would take off into the jungle before more air power come in.
		And he wrote me this letter explaining how he was floating above his body, watching himself, his own body being stripped of his clothes and his boots.
		And it was only, and he was, he observed the entire thing, and then he observed where they actually, you know, they melted back into the jungle.
		And he just barely survived.
		But I think he was only, out of the, I think it was a company, he was only three survivors in this particular attack.
		And that was just kind of an example of the kind of things generally that a lot of times they would observe the physical events that were happening around them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's pull back from that, although recognizing it does occur.
		And if you were to give somebody right now a quick little 101, if you want to have, if you want to have an OBE and you want it to be successful, how do I do it?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Okay, there is a lot of, of course, as you know, I disclose about 50 different ways.
		One of the most effective ways is to awaken in the middle of the night.
		In other words, set your alarm for about four hours, then awaken, and then pick up a book and start, or whatever.
		But get up, move to another location.
		For instance, if you're in bed, move to the couch.
		Start maybe read for a few minutes.
		Don't read Stephen King or something.
		Read about this topic.
		And then begin a technique.
		And I'm just going to give you one of many.
		As you're already, you just woke up, but you're a little bit groggy.
		You're not wide awake.
		You move to another location.
		This is really important.
		You go to the couch, for instance.
		You get comfortable.
		You lay down again.
		And then you, for instance, you could imagine yourself in a whirlpool.
		And again, I'm doing this very briefly.
		There's motion techniques.
		There's many different ones.
		But one of them is you imagine yourself in a whirlpool and you feel yourself spinning around and you try to hold that sensation of yourself going around in a whirlpool as your last conscious thought as you go to sleep.
		And while you're doing this, it also may help to do affirmations like now I'm out of body or something along those lines.
		In other words, have that intention clearly ingrained in your conscious mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		That now my desire is to have an out-of-body experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will it?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Will it as much as you can as you're doing a technique?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And again, there's 50 different techniques that I write about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, with regard to the one you just described, I'm curious why it is important to move.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Because we are conditioned to sleep unconscious in our beds.
		We've programmed ourselves through our lifetime.
		You know, what do people consider a good night's sleep?
		Unconsciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And that's, of course, not the result we want now.
		It's important to move to change the environment so the result is different.
		The ideal is to create a meditation area devoted to this practice.
		I use my sofa.
		Most of my experiences, or at least the vast majority of them, have been not in my bed but on my sofa.
		And this is a very effective technique.
		Now, it takes some discipline because you're interrupting your REM period.
		This is also called the interrupted sleep or the sleep deprivation technique.
		But it's basically you're interfering with your REM cycle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Because, you know, the first REM period occurs 90 minutes in the sleep, and then they occur a little more frequently as you go through the night, where the second one may be an hour in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're kind of disturbing the very center part of the sleep cycle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And that, of course.
		And you're placing your intentions, a strong intention, and you're doing a specific OBE technique.
		This combination is very powerful.
		Most people can have an experience within 30 days or less.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What can you expect?
		Can you describe, the best way you're able, what somebody, if they're going to try this, might expect to happen, feel?
		What will they experience?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Some of the things that we were describing at the beginning of the show, how does possibly?
		First, you have to get relaxed enough.
		You want to allow your body to totally relax.
		Relaxation is really critical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now I'm talking about if we get past the vibrational state, the noise, and the discomfort, it's very discomforting, and you feel like you're out of control, but suddenly.
		Yeah, let go, and now you're having your OBE.
		Then what do you expect?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Most people, they have a lightness or heaviness sensation will come over them and they'll begin to...
		Roll sideways.
		Because you have to break the energy mold.
		One of the problems here at the beginning of people having OBEs is that they forget, it's almost like a, for lack of a better word, it's like a gelatin mold.
		There is an energetic connection between your physical and your non-physical body.
		And that has to be disrupted a little bit in order to have the full experience.
		And you do that by rolling or directing.
		This is very important.
		You surrender to the sensation of floating and you direct your energy body to the door.
		I use door or window because there's always a door somewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And you direct your consciousness away from your body.
		In other words, you don't even think about your body.
		That's the number one rule.
		Actually, the only rule.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, you're saying, if I'm hearing this right, that you roll, you said, as though you're rolling out of your body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're sitting there.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly it.
		And that's what many people experience.
		It sounds silly almost, but it works.
		It breaks the energy mold.
		Now, some people have a floating sensation.
		Some people lift up.
		Everyone's differently.
		I talk about six different exits that people have during OBEs in my book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's the most common?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The rolling that you're describing?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Probably the floating is the most commonly reported one.
unidentified		Yep.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		But again, and there's also sinking.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I've had an experience on many occasions where I have a multiple-story home and I sink right through the first floor down into the basement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I'd like that as much as possible.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		People, for some reason, don't they, you know, but yet in shamanic cultures, that's the norm.
		It depends.
		In our culture, people want to go upward.
		They want to be like the Tinkerbell thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, besides, the sensation of floating or even flying is superb.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a pleasure, yeah.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
		It's pleasurable, and it's much more, let's just say, liberating.
		It's incredibly liberating.
		And that's the first thing that really attracts.
		That's the first thing that hooked me.
		I felt like for the first time I was free.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That one gets me, too.
		I absolutely love flying dreams.
		I have a lot of those, and floating, a lot of that.
		But when it gets to the noise, the vibration, the paralysis, I pull back like a walk, won't walk.
		I'm a chicken.
		I swear I can't let go.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, all the vibrations and all, you know what that's from.
		That's from a slow separation.
		Once you fully separate, all the harshness of the process disappears.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Mike from Colorado Springs, Colorado, is on my computer screen not being kind to you at all.
		He says, your guest is ignorant.
		I've had thousands of OBEs.
		When you open yourself to that, you open yourself to anything that comes, including the bad.
		It's dangerous.
		Also, spiritually speaking, it does not advance you.
		It's a distraction.
		Now, there, William, you've got yourself a religious guy.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		You know what's funny is that most of the biblical text, many of the religions were created from OBEs.
		Look at Revelation.
		It begins with, I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day.
		I mean, people forget the most rapidly growing religion in the world is Islam.
		That's based on the out-of-body experience of Muhammad when he travels through what he terms the seven heavens.
		And people forget that.
		It's a shame that people still live in fear of the unknown.
		It's only 600 years ago people were afraid to cross the Atlantic Ocean.
		Well, I mean, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But see, but a Christian might say, probably would say, well, yeah, that's how Islam got started.
		It's not the real thing.
		Our Christianity is the real thing.
		Therefore, anything of a spiritual, detached spiritual nature is something other than what I read in the Bible.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you should read the Bible a little closer because in 1 Corinthians, St. Paul talks about, he states, I know someone in Christ who 14 years ago, whether in the body or out of the body, was called up to the third heaven.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I mean, and this goes on and on about different comments about so-called Christian saints having out-of-body experiences.
unidentified		But gee, I know it's a matter of interpretation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even I, though, I wonder if we're crossing into this other dimension or this other realm or whatever state we're putting ourselves in when we do what you have described here, by your own admission, the dead are all around us.
		Everything is all around us.
		So aren't you opening a door between one area and another area?
		And how can there be any guarantee that it's all going to be good on the other side of the door?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
		And I can't guarantee that.
		No one can.
		No more than I can guarantee someone's safety is walking across the street.
		But let me, I'd like to preface something.
		This is an important point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's interesting you would say that, though.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I also teach people spiritual protection in my workshops, and I write about it in my book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you do?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I don't just tell people here, let's all, everybody go out of body and see what may come.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, most OBE people who write about it, who write books about it, will deny there's any even possible negative aspect to it.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		They deny that.
		But I have never said that.
		I think there can be, I certainly think there can be issues that would come up, just like there's issues in the physical world.
		There's no separation of the two.
		But I also believe that we're immortal and we are protected.
		But it's up to a person's fear level and their personal mindset.
		If you are afraid of the devil stalking you, then certainly you shouldn't go out and try to have an OBE.
		Because if anything, you will create a negative experience for yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Because of your, let's just say, thoughts.
		Remember, and I think all the audience, this is so important.
		We create reality.
		Thoughts are things.
		And I've seen this.
		That's one of the powerful things about OBEs.
		You go out of body, you can see, I'll give you a brief example.
		I had an out-of-body experience a few years ago where I saw a cruise ship and I didn't understand it.
		It took me a long time to understand.
		You know, we're seeing the substructure of the physical world.
		We're seeing the formation of matter.
		And then six months later, I was asked to be a speaker on a cruise ship.
		I had actually interacted with and saw during an OBE my future that was forming energetically on the inner planes.
		In other words, thoughts are things.
		They're creative.
		And if you have negative thoughts, you're going to create a negative experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		But there's also coincidence.
		I mean, that you got to go on a cruise ship is nice, but I mean, how?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		My point is this applies to everything.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		This is what psychics do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		What does the psychic do?
		People, you know, no one ever talks about this.
		Psychics are sensitive.
		They are sensitive to the energy around the person.
		You know what they're actually reading?
		And most people have no idea of this.
		They're reading the energy, the thought forms around the person.
		And that's how they can, I'm talking about a good psychic, not some quack.
		They're actually feeling, sensing, or seeing, because different psychics have different abilities, different, let's just say, senses that they've developed.
		They actually can see and feel the thought forms around the person, and that's how they can tell the future.
		Because they are sensing the thoughts, the future that's already being constructed on the astral plane.
		That is what psychic is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't deny that any of this may well be so.
		I just can't.
		Something that we've talked about here on the air, I note that you have written down here, and I'm glad because it fits right in.
		We were talking a little while ago about computers, vibration, the flicker rate of a computer, and altered states.
		And, you know, we've had all these reports of what we call shadow people.
		And these are, I don't know, beings or something that is on the edge of reality and at the edge of your vision, peripheral vision, and you just see them flitting across.
		But you definitely saw something.
		And some people have begun to even see these creatures or whatever they are full on.
		And I'm wondering, and wondered when we got deep into that discussion about shadow beings, if it could be true.
		So many reports from people who use computers a lot.
		If perhaps using that computer, it just shifts our vibrational rate enough that we get a glimpse of something we wouldn't otherwise see.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I think that's possible because when you stare at a computer long enough, you're entering an altered state.
		Absolutely.
		What most people aren't aware of, you're actually changing your brain wave pattern.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		The same way as you do when you watch TV.
		Yes.
		These are different states of consciousness.
		You're no longer in beta.
		Some people go as deep as theta while they're at the computer.
		I know I do on occasions.
		I go really deep.
		I find myself zoning out completely.
		And a lot of people do that.
		And I think once you enter in that altered state of consciousness, then we're back to, remember what we were talking about with the ghost?
		In a way, it's the same kind of phenomena occurring.
		These are beings that not only have we shifted our brain waves and our ability to perceive a little bit, but there are beings that can lower their vibration rate enough to be at least seen just for a brief period of time.
		The same is true for poltergeist activity.
		This same principle applies.
		Poltergeists are nothing more than astral beings who can lower their vibration temporarily enough to interfere or affect matter.
		And it's generally for a very brief period of time.
		And it's like, as research has proven, it's generally children, astral children, who are playing pranks on adults.
		But this is the same principle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As I listen to you and I hear you talk about children, I reflect on the EVP shows that we've done recently, the electronic voice phenomena.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're remarkable.
		Absolutely remarkable.
		And it would seem like those voices may come from exactly what you're talking about.
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		This is all interconnected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, we've got to get phones when we get back.
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		He's the author of a couple of books on out-of-body experiences.
		You've got to check out.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		A simple physical disk associative experience, do you think, folks?
		Or do you think it's as real as everything else that's around us?
		I guess that's what it really comes down to.
		My guest is William Buhlman, and we're going to be discussing OBEs, and we're going to start taking your calls.
		And, of course, they're stacked up like cordwood because so many of you have had these.
		It is common.
		It's everywhere.
		Everybody's having them, or almost having them.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This should be interesting.
		From William's survey, now, bear in mind, this is a survey of 16,185 people.
		98% of those responding experienced a jolt or jerk awake.
		85% experienced sounds like buzzing, humming, roaring.
		56% experienced vibrations or high energy sensations.
		82%, wow, experienced floating, sinking, or spinning sensations.
		72% sleep paralysis.
		81% flying in a dream.
		My personal favorite.
		33% being touched or lifted.
		Never had that one.
		46% a panic attack.
		I've had that one.
		Overwhelming urge or fear created by strange vibrations or sounds.
		46% hearing voices or footsteps.
		37% seeing through closed eyelids.
		49%.
		Wow.
		Lucid dreaming, 79%.
		Seeing or feeling the presence of an unknown, non-physical being, 22%.
		And seeing, hearing, or speaking to a deceased loved one, 24%.
		And the phone lines are just blazing, as is my computer screen.
		So obviously, this is serious stuff.
		This is, I guess, universal, almost universal.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		And, you know, what I found really interesting is that there seems to be almost an evolutionary shift.
		People are becoming, let's just say, more open.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Just think, it was only 10 years ago that psychic phenomena was really widely discussed.
		And now suddenly it's just exploding, not only psychic phenomena to the point, but now the subject of OBEs.
		Absolutely.
		Many people feel this is part of our evolutionary process because we are heading towards being a non-physical species.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think that will be some future moment of evolution when we actually simply discard the physical?
unidentified		Yes.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		This is a training ground of soul.
		This is a dense, slowed-down molecular training ground for the developing soul.
		And as the soul develops, it eventually will shed the physical body.
		And it makes perfect sense because that's the direction we're all heading anyway.
		We're all moving non-physically, whether we like it or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think, William, just sort of a do-you-think kind of question.
		Do you think that science will ever begin to meet up with what science scoffs at now, a lot of the things you're talking about tonight?
		Do you think these two will ever, that one will prove the other and that there'll be that kind of shift?
unidentified		Yes.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I think it's just a matter of time.
		I think it's coming.
		It may take another 20, 30 years, but I really believe that will happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's get into the phone lines.
		I'm telling you, they're really humming.
		Here we go.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with William Buehman.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Scott.
unidentified		I'm calling from Fairbanks, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Scott.
		You'll have to yell at us.
		You're not too loud.
unidentified		Sorry about that.
unidentified		I hope that's a little better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Much better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I'm a former Marine and a combat veteran.
		Yes, sir.
		And I've had a dream within the past couple of days.
		And what's amazing about it is that three other people, veterans with similar backgrounds, have all reported the same type of dream where, first off, let me state unequivocally that I was not shot while I was in Vietnam.
		I got blown up, or I should say the Jeep I was in got blown up, but I came through it without a scratch.
		However, in the dream, I'm lying on the side of the road and I'm above myself.
		I can see me down there.
		And it feels great.
		I mean, there's no pain, no sensation, no nothing.
		It kind of fades out, and I'm outside my present-day house, looking at it and looking at the night sky, feeling again great, absolutely fantastic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you're calling it a dream.
unidentified		Well, I was asleep.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right, right, good.
		William, what about that?
		In other words, I don't know what that man had.
		I mean, how do you delineate between a dream, which we know we have, and OBEs?
		Or do you not delineate?
		Are they all the same thing?
		I wonder.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I do delineate, but I think that that's the biggest, let's just say that's the biggest question out there.
		How does everyone determine the difference between the two?
		For me, I have a pretty harsh standard.
		I have to be consciously present.
		When I train people to have OBEs, I train them to feel that they have to be as present as they are in their physical body.
		But I also know that there's a continuum of consciousness, so that there are various states of consciousness that people experience.
		And I tell you, that dream, especially that whole separation, that sounds to me like the gentleman had an OBE, and that was his mind's interpretation of it.
		It's like floating.
		It's the same thing.
		what is it floating dreams i feel strongly Basically, that's what we've been trained to believe.
		That this body is us, which is, of course, false.
		And we have to overcome that conditioning.
		And in our experiences, many people, let's just say your mind gets around it by giving it another symbol like floating.
		Or in his case, he had this traumatic event or whatever in this jeep or whatever, this vehicle, and then he was floating above it.
		And for you, Art, it's that flying sensation that you like so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I love flying dreams.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		But it's the same kind of scenario.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Your mind is interpreting that as a flying dream or a floating dream when that could actually be the OBE occurring and your mind's trying to wrap itself around it and interpret it according to its own belief system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Giving everybody a chance to have a proper little laugh, my best flying dream ever was in New York City.
		And I was on top of the Empire State Building, and somebody sprinkled me with pixie dust.
		Gosh, it wasn't Pixie Dust.
		I don't know.
		They just tossed some dust on me, like little sprinkles of something, and I was able to fly at will over New York City.
		It was the most fun I ever had in my whole life, just zipping around the high-rise buildings.
		I did that.
		So have your laugh, but that was one of my flying dreams.
		I have some pretty good ones.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, that's very common.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		That's the type of thing that people, the jerk awake that you mentioned at the intro, you know, that's what a lot of people, everybody out there listening probably has experienced at some time in their life laying in their bed or laying on the couch taking a nap, and then suddenly you feel like you just fell out of the sky and fell on your sofa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And it scares, it shocks you.
		It's like, oh my God, what was that?
		Many people, including myself, feel strongly that that was the rapid reintegration of the astral body with the physical body.
		And it's because as you fall asleep, there's a natural separation that occurs.
		And it's not like, I'm not saying that you were floating up at the ceiling.
		You may have been out of sync, maybe two, three inches from the physical body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and I've also had the others, that is the dropping thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm sure a whole lot of people in the audience have had that.
unidentified		But you go like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wake yourself up and you were dropping.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		But that's a classic case of their mind interpretation of a non-physical event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but see, here's the problem.
		How do you get past that?
		In other words, how do you say to yourself in that panicked, horrid little moment, instant, when you're dropping, well, wait a minute, this is cool.
		Let's drop.
unidentified		Oh, no, it doesn't work that way.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		That's why you have to become educated about the topic.
		And it's really just the way it is.
		It's like any other topic.
		You have to learn about it.
		You can't control every aspect of this.
		And I'm certainly not inferring you can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with William Buehlman.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hi, I saw you on Discovery today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon?
unidentified		I saw you on Discovery today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was I doing on Discovery?
unidentified		Well, they were, you actually, I'll ask you another show, but you were talking about the, oh, was it Overrunning in the City about a guy that wanted to pull a grenade?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't remember this.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, you were on twice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I'll ask you another time.
		And my friend, actually my first love, just passed away a couple of days ago.
		Well, the song that I heard three times waiting for you was If You Could Read My Mind.
		Oh, yeah.
		I thought, this is so...
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, here's a question that I'd like to ask your guest.
unidentified		My mother, five months before she passed away, my father told us that they had separate bedrooms, and her bedroom was next to his, and he heard a noise like in the kitchen, and he thought, what's mom doing up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Speak up good and laugh.
unidentified		Oh, he went to look, and he said to her, what are you doing up?
		And it was early in the morning, and he said, she floated.
		He said, he didn't walk.
		She just floated into another room.
		And he thought, where's she going?
		And he went to look, and here she was in her bedroom, in her bed, lying on her back, and she was sound asleep.
		And my dad told her that the next day, and she said, I don't know why my soul wanders.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, actually, a physical sighting Of somebody outside their body.
		Okay, that's a good one indeed, William.
		What about that?
		How many reports, since you're taking stats on this, have you ever had of people observing other people in an out-of-body state?
		Is that?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's very common.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It's very common.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah.
		As you know, the entire Stargate program is kind of built around that potential.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, the military was trained to spy on the Soviets using the same kind of, let's just say, ability.
		$50 million was spent by the military in Fort Meade.
		I'm from Maryland originally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remote Viewer on tomorrow night.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, that's another whole topic, but it's related to this topic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've always known it was.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the two are like peas in a pod, but it's just, you know, that's, of course, for the audience information, we're speaking of remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I wrote a book.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		The two were connected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		William, I wrote a book called The Source because I've always had the feeling that a whole lot of what I talk about on this program is all tied together.
		It all relates, that there's some commonality, and there's some source for all of this.
		And that's just a word, The Source, right?
		But it served to kind of describe the collective everything that we're talking about, whether we're talking about remote viewing or the phenomena of OBEs or near-death or ghosts or shadow people.
		I mean, you can go on and on and on.
		It all somehow relates.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		You know what the core element here is the multi-dimensional universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Because the multidimensional universe explains all of this phenomena.
		And it explains it very accurately and logically.
		It does.
		And it directly correlates with all modern physics theories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Including the super string theory that I'm sure you know all about.
		This stuff is not just theoretical.
		I mean, there are some of the greatest minds in the world today would come on your show right now and tell you, yes, the universe is multi-dimensional.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And that's what we're really talking about right now with OBE.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, used to the Rockies.
		You're talking about it now with William Buehman.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, William.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Anthony in Columbia, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I was paralyzed in a car accident about 16 years ago.
		Since then, I've experienced lucid dreams and flying dreams and quote-unquote anti-gravity dreams.
		And I was wanting to know what suggestions you may have for an aspiring astral traveler and others who might have a disability, especially some or a lot of paralysis like myself.
		I'm paralyzed from about the mid-chest down.
		And as I've said before, I've had experiences where I know that I'm dreaming while I'm dreaming, and so I'm controlling the flying, and sometimes I control it better than other times, and other times I lose the ability, and then I know I'm going to wake up.
		And so I've had very, very little experience.
		I was wanting to know what type of techniques you would be able to give someone such as myself.
		Also, I was wanting to know what you thought about Robert Bruce's comprehensive book, Astral Dynamics, what you thought about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, that's an awful lot to serve up.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but I'd be happy to comment.
		The technique that I would suggest you to learn immediately is a very simple one, but very powerful, and it's just awareness now.
		Use awareness now as a mantra when you're in those states like lucid dreams.
		Train yourself to use that power phrase, and it will help to focus your awareness within your experience.
		Now, the power of this, this applies not only to lucid dreaming, but also to full-blown OBEs.
		It helps to prolong the OBE, and it helps to control a lucid dream, if that's the state you're in.
		Remember, all these states are connected because there is a continuum of consciousness.
unidentified		Just say that to myself aloud?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you're in an altered state, you'll be thinking it.
		You never want to activate your physical body during an altered state.
		You always are using, and when I say say, I'm meaning think.
		Focusing your thoughts, awareness now.
		I use it and I train people to use that so they can prolong their OBEs.
		Because that's a big problem for a lot of people is, let's just say, getting the most out of their experience when it begins.
unidentified		My problem is I feel that I'll have difficulty in raising my energy.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Well, whatever quality you need, demand that quality.
		Always remember that.
		You have the ability to call the energy you need within yourself.
		Because remember, it's all about energy.
unidentified		Do I imagine hands raising energy up?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		No, just think energy up if that's how you don't have.
		You don't have to think hands.
		You don't want to think form.
		I think, this is my take on this, based on my experience.
		You don't want to be, any form-based thought will limit you.
unidentified		Oh.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Because then you're connecting back with form.
unidentified		With physical.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Which, of course, your mind will equate to being physical.
		So it's very important to get your mind off of all form and think energy.
		Think lighter.
		Think whatever it takes to get you moving.
		If you want to have more separation, then think, I am lighter.
		Think of yourself as a balloon floating up.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Never think of yourself as a humanoid or form because it will just lock you into that state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
unidentified		And you have books at your website.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Thank you so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
		Take care.
		Was to the Rockies?
		You're on the air with William Buellman.
		Not a lot of time before the Bottom of the hour.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art Bell.
		I'm glad you're back on the radio.
		You have the best telephone and radio voice in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're a sweetie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
		I'm Christina.
		I'm calling you from 770, KKOB, Albuquerque.
		Anyway, I've never had any of those negative experiences, except I've been doing this since I was 12 months old.
		It's always been wonderful and enlightening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing but good, huh?
unidentified		Yes, and I remember the first ones were when my mother platonized me, and she would be admonishing me, and I would just stare, and all of a sudden I would be above it all, thinking how ridiculous she looked, pointing her finger at me, admonishing me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
		All right, listen, hold on.
		We're at a break point.
		I'll bring you back after the break.
unidentified		this is crystal Crystal Gale, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		talking about going out of your body I've got to tell you, I've been rocking my brain.
unidentified		Hoping to find a way out I've had enough of you He's got this dream about tonight.
		He's gone.
		Give up the dues and wanna dance.
		Dance out.
		Five little doubts.
		Forget about everything.
		You know he'll always keep moving You know he's never gonna stop moving Cause he's rolling, he's the rolling stone When you wake up it's a new morning The sun is
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going home.
		Maybe, not maybe, but eventually we're all going home, and maybe that's what that experience is kind of like.
		Kind of like going home.
		We're talking about out of body.
		The ability of you, everybody, if you want to, to go out of your body.
		Yes, it can be done.
		Once again, William Buehlman, who again, folks, has written two books.
		So if you want to know more, it's the obvious way.
		The Secret of the Soul and his latest, I guess, Adventures Beyond the Body.
		Is that correct?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, The Secret of the Soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		That's it.
		Boy, what a great title, The Secret of the Soul.
		I mean, is that do you think that's descriptive of what's in that book, The Secret of the Soul?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I think it is.
		That's exactly what it's about.
		I think OBEs is a direct path to the soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's that young lady once again.
		You're back on, Dear.
unidentified		So my question is, I've always been able to do this, and it's always been pleasant.
		Never had any of those, and I've always been caught awake.
		And one of the weirdest ones, though, is I worked for Prudential Base, and I was trading commodities, and all of a sudden I zoomed up outside my body to the top.
		I could see the entire floor.
		This is like a message.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		While you were trading commodities?
unidentified		The guy back of me was trading hogs alleys, and I was just about ready to call one of my clients.
		And I found myself working, doing everything.
		And then it occurred to me, well, maybe I just better go back down here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe I better get down before Hogs fall.
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		And it helped me make a decision that I needed to make, which was to take my little thing to kind of with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, you're breaking up on your cell phone, but I've got the idea.
		I've got the idea.
		And let's try this question.
		Tom in El Paso, Texas says, straight out, where can you go?
		How can it be useful?
		Really practical questions.
		Where can you go?
		How can it be useful?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Well, the bottom line is anywhere.
		And you can obtain the answers to whatever question you want to ask.
		And I'm not being facetious at all.
		If you want to know your purpose, then just ask your purpose during an OBE and be open to receive the answer.
		And I mean, the deep questions of life, if you want to meet your mother who has passed on, then just call her name.
		And if she's open to it, you will be drawn together to meet.
		I know because I've done it, and hundreds and hundreds of other people have done the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any information that you can glean by doing this that would be in a material sense useful to you on Earth?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I think there's a lot of different things that you remember what we were talking about, it being thoughts being the creative force that molds matter.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		You know, the very core of the old, what is considered the magical arts, is really about manipulating the energy that you can't see to mold it into physical Reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The guest I'm going to have tomorrow night is a pretty rough guy.
		He's Luciferian, but he's a remote viewer.
		And he claims that he can win lotteries and has won lotteries, William, using remote viewing.
		And so that's about as practical.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I tried doing that once.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I asked for the winning lottery numbers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you did?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and guess what happened?
		I saw a stone wall with to infinity numbers.
		I'm serious.
		That's exactly the result I got from doing that because I wasn't specific enough when I made the request.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a dirty trick.
		Okay.
		International Line, you're on the air with William Buehlman.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, please?
unidentified		I'm calling from Toronto and listening on 640 Mojo.
		Okay.
		First of all, I feel surrounded in greatness.
		I am so honored to talk to both of you.
		Thanks, sir.
		William, I don't know where to start.
		I could talk all night.
		I've been having OBE since I was a child.
		It took, I guess, a near-death experience is what I had, and I realized what was happening to me after that.
		And I'm finding over the years, I'm becoming disabled with a degenerative disease.
		And as I had to learn to cope with it emotionally, I learned to meditate.
		And through the meditating, I have the OBEs now.
		And I'm listening to other people talking tonight, and it's bringing more and more questions.
		But this idea of the soul and moving towards a soul as opposed to the physical body is making so much more sense to me.
		I can be anywhere, and I can ask any questions and get those answers, like you just said a moment ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you agree with all that?
unidentified		Absolutely.
		But originally, my question was this.
		Do you believe that it's possible in an out-of-body experience that I could visit a place that I've never been before and know and be able to describe in detail where I am?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And it happened only because about two months later, I was there.
unidentified		But I knew the first time in the OBE that that's where I was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, is that a precognitive OBE, kind of like your cruise ship thing?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It sure sounds like it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it does.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		That's what it sounds like to me.
		Often we have experiences.
		All of us do this.
		Not just certain people.
		We have experiences on the inner dimensions that are parallel to this one.
		And then they end up manifesting in the physical.
		It's very common.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it as common, do you think, to experience a slice of the future as it is the past?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think the timeline is, for those that are open to it, the timeline is available, both future and past.
		And again, it's up to the individual.
		I've experienced many different, let's just say of my personal past lives, and I've verified that through multiple experiences, like the one I mentioned about being a German soldier in my last incarnation.
		And I know I gained certain qualities from that experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then certainly this would have applications.
		She said she had disabling degenerative disease of some sort.
		I would think for people in that position, people in wheelchairs, people who are paralyzed perhaps or have disabilities that won't let them move, won't let them go anywhere, they could learn this.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		And what I would also suggest is that you can, again, there's karma involved, but you can request healing also during an OBE.
		And I had an entire chapter in my latest book devoted to that, but the book was getting too long, so I had to cut it.
		But I had an entire chapter with 15 experiences with people that had healed themselves and other people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Your website is up and linked to ours at the moment, but that won't be there forever.
		So go ahead and tell people what is your website, please.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It's astralinfo.org.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And I also have two websites, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		AstralInfo.org.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's another good one.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that's the one that's linked to your site, Art.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And I also have outofbody.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you have outobody.com?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I've had that since 96.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remarkable.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I'm like one of the early guys on the web.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So when you go Google this up, outofbody.com has probably got to be right there.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, or Astral Projection, you'll see one of my sites come up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, gee, you should.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to mention that to all the listeners, that please go and, if they've had an experience or think they have, go and participate in the survey.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It only takes a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You live another 20 years, William, and those URLs will be worth millions.
		First time calling the line, you're on the air with William Buhlman.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, good evening, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
unidentified		Good evening, William.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
unidentified		It's a great show tonight, by the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I do have a question for William.
		And to me, it sounds like for the last hour or two, I've been listening.
		A lot of this is from a theosophical point of view.
		And I was wondering if William has ever attended a Theosophical meeting, and what does he know about the works of Madame Blavatsky?
		This is what I've been studying for about 15 years now, and I've been really into it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then take a listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, William.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I've never attended a meeting, but I'm familiar with Madame Blavatsky's work and Ledbetter and Besant.
		I have quite an extensive library on all subjects related to this.
		So I'm quite familiar with their work, and I respect what they've done.
		They really, back when, they really opened the door to a lot of this.
		My goal, of course, is to demystify This topic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, and you're doing a very, very good job of it.
		I would like to ask this: where, I mean, we've had William Monroe, a great man, many others who have done the research in this field now, William.
		Where is the leading research and where is it going from here?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I tell you the truth, I don't see a lot of research out there right now.
		I really don't.
		Not anything that I'm aware of.
		It may be, but I'm not currently aware of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that doesn't make sense.
		I mean, if this is an increasing revelation to a lot of people, and it certainly is.
		I mean, look at the response.
		It's crazy here.
		Then why wouldn't there be a ton of research in this, Harry?
		I know.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It blows my mind, Art.
		You know what it comes down to?
		There's no way that people can make money with it.
		So there's not a lot of interest.
		We live in a capitalist society.
		There has to be motivation for monetary motivation.
		I'll give you an example.
		I was invited to speak on several occasions in prisons.
		I get a tremendous amount of mail from prisoners.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can imagine.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		And they refused to have me in because I was too out there.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't considered valid self-improvement according to their standards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in the mind of the administration, it may represent a form of escape.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Well, or it just didn't fit into their belief system, whatever that may be.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Whatever, it doesn't matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I would think, actually, getting really right down to it, that administrations ought to rethink that because they want to keep the prison population, what's the right word, not agitated, right?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, plus that, this is a life-changing experience that could rehabilitate prisoners.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But even that aside for a second, an escape without an actual physical escape would be certainly a psychological release that would keep prisons a lot calmer than they sometimes are.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I think it would.
		I think there would be all kinds of benefits, but I couldn't.
		I had a whole group of prisoners in one federal institution trying to get me in there, and they wouldn't go for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They wouldn't go for it.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It's weird because there's a very narrow-minded take on this whole subject.
		You know, it's still the old philosophy.
		If you can't see it and feel it, we don't want to deal with it.
		And it's a shame because this is so important to everybody because this is where we're all going.
		We're all going to become non-physical beings very shortly.
		I mean, in the big picture, what's 30 years or 20 years or whatever?
		And this is important stuff that impacts everybody's lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That I recognize, and that's the reason this program is here on such a large national scale.
		Yes, there's not very many others like it, but it's here because we're telling people things that they can't hear anywhere else.
		That's all there is to it.
		They can't hear them anywhere else.
		It doesn't make everything we say true, but we explore areas that are not explored elsewhere in great detail.
		And there's just not much of that going on out there right now.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with William Buhlmann.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, this is Larry in Fort Lauderdale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Larry.
unidentified		I had a question.
		I had a dream, and I've had it a few times in my life, where I'm like flying, like other callers have said, and I'm like flying over water.
		But the thing that surprises me the most while it's happening is not the fact that I'm flying, but that the method and ability I was using to fly seems so familiar and that I always had this ability, this feeling, and it seems so natural and so normal.
		And I was more amazed at that feeling that I always had the ability in me to fly than flying itself, which was a beautiful scene over the ocean.
		Is something like this common?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
		Boy, that's one of the things that always blew me away.
		That's one of my favorite things to do during an OBE.
		I'll be fully conscious.
		I call it upgrading.
		I say awareness now.
		When I say, I mean thinking, focus thought, awareness now.
		And then you can take off like a bird if you think you have that ability, you have the ability.
		And I was amazed the first time I flew.
		Not only did I do it, but I did it extremely well.
		And that's what caught my attention was that, God, I'm good at this.
		But here's time out of the chute.
		Because we've all done this before.
unidentified		That's the feeling that I had.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It's knowledge that's locked in the subconscious mind that you release during the experience, I feel.
unidentified		I see.
		And Arta had a quick comment.
		Have you noticed that your out-of-body experiences always seem to happen out of town in some major city?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes, I have noticed that.
		Thank you.
		And, you know, what I attributed to was that, number one, I was on vacation.
		Routine was broken.
		Number two, I wasn't home.
		As you point out, I was in a very different place.
		I mean, good Lord, I had just come over at twice the speed of sound on the Concord, and there I was in Paris, France, in bed.
		You don't get any more unfamiliar than that, and that's when it happened.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		That's why in that technique I shared earlier, I asked people to move away from their bed.
		Same principle applies.
		You shake up the routine.
		It's really important to shake up the routine so that you, because we are conditioned to, let's just say, remain unconscious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it you think about human beings, William, that has them investigating everything physical around them on our planet, beneath our planet, above our planet, out of the atmosphere, stars, the very beginning of it all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're looking everywhere around us physically, but we're not looking inward.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		Isn't it funny?
		I just look around and laugh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It's incredible.
		The answers are inward.
		You know, Buddha said that.
		You go back through history, the great minds of humanity, and they all said the same thing: that the answers lie within.
		And yet, we focus completely on the external.
		It's no wonder there's still wars and killing mass murders occurring on a regular basis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but I mean, as somebody familiar with hypnosis and psychology to some degree, I mean, you must have some theory on why this is.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		It's part of our evolution.
		Individuals are evolving beyond matter.
		Let's face it, the physical world is like the matrix, like the movie matrix.
		The physical world is the matrix.
		It's nothing more than illusionary energy that people have bought into and accept as unconditionally real.
		When you have an OBE, you escape the matrix.
		I mean, for real.
		That's what you feel like.
		You feel liberated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what happens.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		That's what I think that actually I feel strongly, that the movie was written on that premise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we're way short on time here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of your two books, for those who are intrigued tonight, and I can tell you they're Legion, would you recommend they begin with your first book or just dive straight into number two?
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		I would say probably number, I'd go with Adventures Beyond the Body, but I would, see, they're both so different.
		I would recommend both because one of them is my experiences.
		Adventures Beyond the Body focuses on my 25 years back then of experiences, where Secret of the Soul was based on hundreds of other people's experiences.
		So you get a whole different viewpoint of the subject.
		And that's why I thought it was important to write the second book because I didn't want this to be, you know, about me or what, you know, and that's what ends up happening in so many books out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Because this is too big of a topic to be around.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Everybody's interpretation is going to be a little different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a monstrous topic, just like the whole consciousness thing is a monster of a topic.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		The important thing is that people learn about this themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		William, program's over.
		That's it.
		We're out of time.
		My friend, it has been a total pleasure having you here.
		I really appreciate it, and I wish you all the luck in the world.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		You too, Art.
william buhlman ▲ ● ▼		Been a pleasure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, my friend.
		All right.
		There is William Buhlman, and the subject OBE is really out of body.
		You really can do it if you want to.
		That's it for tonight.
		We'll see you tomorrow night with one more.
		Oh, tomorrow night.
		Kind of on the dark side a little bit.
		Aaron Donahue, Lucitarian, remote viewer.
		It's going to be quite a night.

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