William Buhlman, a 30-year OBE researcher with 16,000+ survey responses, argues these experiences—linked to sleep paralysis (72% of cases), combat trauma, and even past lives like his WWII German tank commander incarnation—prove consciousness transcends the physical body. His techniques, including nighttime relocation and mantras like "awareness now," claim 500+ methods can trigger OBEs in 30 days, dismissing them as mere hallucinations despite skepticism from a caller calling him "ignorant." Buhlman ties OBEs to military remote viewing (U.S. spent $50M training it) and parallel dimensions, suggesting they’re evolution’s next step—liberation from "the matrix" of material reality. [Automatically generated summary]
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It's great to be here, honored to be here actually, and in a moment we're gonna do something that I've never done before.
Yeah, I just can't resist these things.
So, I have no idea what we're about to get into.
I mean, but I get an email like this, and it's irresistible for me.
Morgan sends me an email which says, York, I'm a blood-drinking, casket-sleeping vampire.
It's more fun than you'd imagine.
Vampirism has a deadly side as well.
Want to talk about it?
Well, huh?
Yes.
I just love this kind of email, but you never really know what you're going to be getting into.
Anyway, so we'll do that here in a minute, I think.
Looking around the world, it doesn't look too good as usual.
Guerrillas overwhelmed an Iraqi police station, went to Baghdad, meeting little resistance, and they went room to room shooting police in a bold, very well-organized assault that killed 23 and freed dozens of prisoners.
Moreover, you know, the poor police in Baghdad, they're trying to keep them employed.
They're paying a good wage for police, but they're getting mowed down.
And even at the good wage, you'd have to think twice, I'm sure.
Democratic presidential frontrunner John Kerry does it here in Nevada and the District of Columbia, and he would appear well on his way to the nomination.
President Bush is sagging in the poll numbers, and the Democrats are pounding away, unrelenting, and things are beginning to get pretty hot in the presidential race.
So he's made some about faces, the Iraq war intelligence, his own military service record in question, cooperation with the panel investigating the 9-11 attacks.
I mean, just backwards on everything.
So politics getting hot.
Let's see.
A Carnival cruise line ship returned from a five-day cruise to Mexico on Saturday with more than 300 people sick.
There's been an awful lot of that going on with cruise lines.
Have you noticed?
Looks like this may be the norovirus, they call it, spread through contaminated food, contact with infected people, poor hygiene, and the whole thing they say can be prevented by washing one's hands.
In a moment, we will interview a vampire.
By the way, next hour, we're going to have William Buhlmann here.
We'll be talking about OBEs, out-of-body experiences, which are very real.
Having had one myself, I know.
Anyway, right now, though, right now, here is somebody we will call, and I guess his associates call him, Morgan.
I'm extremely concerned about the deadly side here.
Let's see.
Let me pamper you with a few questions.
First of all, all the myths that we've grown up with about vampires, you know, that are perpetrated by all the movies about vampires, are they basically mostly true or, you know.
unidentified
Well, we adopt probably 70% of what you see in the movies into our lifestyle.
So, and it's also then obviously or apparently true that if you drive a stake through the heart of a vampire, then you have finally and really disposed of that vampire.
Is that a true statement?
unidentified
Only if the head has been detached from the corpse.
Well, I suppose that profession might expose one to blood and bring one to the lust for it, huh?
unidentified
And in that process, the awakening of the senses through the blood is a wonderful way to experience so many beautiful things in life, such as using it for out-of-body experiences.
Well, one, well, I don't know if you'd think of it as an upside to vampirism, or at least in myth, is that you are basically immortal, that you're the undead, or that you can't die.
So then, the old sort of picture that we all have from the movies of stalking around in the dead of the night with the very long sharp teeth, you don't have those, do you?
Well, see, I know I shouldn't be, but I'm even a little leery when the Red Cross would like my blood.
But, I mean, to get a solicitation from you, for example, I just, I can't imagine how you could talk people, even leaning sort of in your direction, to, you know, time to give for the cause.
unidentified
Well, this is not for everyone.
We know that.
People who are born to this are the people we invite to our group.
Now, do you ever run into situations where, you know, like when 50 people gather at night in a cemetery, for example, or even a fifth of that, it would tend to draw attention to things.
And occasionally, I'm sure you would have brushes with terrestrial law enforcement.
I mean, there's no law against sleeping in a casket.
I suppose there's no law against drawing blood in the manner that you've described.
I'm not sure about that.
There could be some health code things.
But basically, yeah, it doesn't seem like you're breaking the law.
But still, when a bunch of people professing to be vampires gather in a cemetery at night, I would think occasionally there would be, I don't know, a brush with authorities.
And have you had any?
unidentified
Never.
It's not a problem.
We know where to go.
There have been vampires who have gotten in trouble with the law, and that's why we're very careful.
Do you think that we are mortal beings, that even your vampire-lusting body will pass away in the normal human lifespan?
Or do you think, is there some reason to believe, that the ingestion of blood and whatever all will bring some kind of immortality to you, that you will live a longer natural lifespan?
unidentified
I would like to think so.
I know that my human body will die, but why am here now, there are certain things that I can aspire to in my vampire mind.
I mean, they're going to actually dig a hole, throw the dirt on top of your casket with nothing more than a little tube?
unidentified
three days and three nights what is it that you are going to I will be spending that time trying to develop inner abilities inside myself To enlighten my senses.
I would someday like to know how to levitate.
And that's one method I'm going to try to help achieve that.
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I began to realize, I mean, you never know, see, when you get an email like this, whether you're going to get the real McCoy or whether you're going to get, you know, somebody yanking on your leg.
Did he tell you this, or did you just realize, holy smokes, Morgan's a vampire?
unidentified
Well, you know, he's disgusted with me, and I've seen his fangs, and I've seen the coffins by going and visiting my friends, and I've asked them stuff about it.
I went and hit Google with vampire, and it was just unending.
So I do admit, I'm actually admitting I'm blown away.
Were you the one who said you had a friend who's a wild?
A werewolf.
unidentified
Really?
Yeah, they have what they call, well, they have role-playing groups all over the country, but a lot of these guys in the role-playing groups are actually vampires and werewolves.
So he claims that kind of in the middle of the night he transforms into a wolf?
unidentified
Absolutely.
There's a whole culture.
They have rules.
I mean, they have like a whole doctrine surrounding all this stuff.
Yes, and if we can help those people who have that werewolf feeling by donating blood to them to stop them from hurting someone, we'll be more than happy to do that.
Coming up, William Buhlman, who happens to be America's leading expert on out-of-body experiences.
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The author's 30 years of extensive personal out-of-body explorations give him a unique and thought-provoking insight into this subject.
This is real stuff, folks.
I had one I know.
During the last eight years, he's conducted an international out-of-body experience survey that includes over 16,000 participants from 32 countries.
The provocative results of this survey are presented in his latest book, The Secret of the Soul.
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That's a good title.
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It is possible to leave your body.
Let me say that again.
It is possible to leave your body.
I did it once, uninvited, unexpected, maybe even unwelcome, although certain aspects of it were very pleasurable and wonderful.
But I don't think I would want to repeat it, and I have certainly never attempted to repeat it.
If you're curious what this is, and I imagine a lot of you are, I know that a lot of you know a lot about this particular subject, and a lot of you don't know a darn thing about it.
So we'll, of course, cover some of the basics and then I guess some of the more exotic stuff involving out-of-body experiences coming up.
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Can you imagine in your wildest dreams that across the country there are thousands and thousands of vampires and werewolves and things that we think are, you know, myth and movie, right?
But really these people who think they're vampires and all the rest of it all across America, do you think that could be true?
Well, that's why this is such a hot topic, because this does happen to people.
It really does happen to people.
And I would imagine what percentage of people, William, do you think that this happens to don't have the slightest dog-on idea what an OBE is, don't listen to Costco Dam or any other show like it.
They just have no idea what just happened to them.
When did it, you know, it's still not mainstream, so I can't say when did it go mainstream, but I mean, when did it sort of congeal into the world talking about it?
I think that began with Moody's work that come out, Life After Life, with his near-death work, where he talks about he actually coined the word out of body in that book, which was published, I believe, in 1972.
It's really about 20 to 30 years old that it's, and really in the last 10, no, I would say it's really become mainstream where you see bumper stickers and t-shirts and stuff like that out there.
Listen, folks, and what you're about to hear, and there's a lot of information you're going to get tonight based on this survey, is from 16,185 people, right?
They generally, I don't know the exact percentage, but I would say high 90, certainly 95 to 98 percent of people, they are asleep or on the verge of sleep.
Every now and then, and I'm sure this is true of everybody, as you approach sleep, you can actually feel yourself come in and out of it a couple of times, and then, boom, you're gone.
We know that there's changes that occur, but the point is nobody has a video of what occurs to consciousness when we go into this strange altered state, because that's what sleep is, an altered state of consciousness.
But the great majority of the time, these things, even though a lot of us have experienced them, they don't progress into a real full-fledged OBE, do they?
People begin, oh, geez, I can relate because these experiences have scared me on more than one occasion, especially when you don't know what's happening.
And if you think that's something, when a real OBE grabs you and takes hold and you leave your body, you actually leave your body.
Well, then it's not so bad.
That's the good part, actually.
But that stuff that comes just before it, it's like a warrant.
You would not feel good.
You'd not feel comfortable.
You'd not like it.
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I have, of course, a computer at my side, and people can fast blast me questions from the website, coast2coastam.com.
And man, that thing is filling up with hundreds already, just literally hundreds of people reporting the things that we're talking about right now.
That's how common it is.
Every phone line is lit up and singing a song.
We'll get to that later, folks, so mellow out there.
But what I'm trying to tell you is that this is so common, so under-reported, so universal that when you talk about it, everything starts going berserk if you do a radio program like this with William Buehlman.
So that's how common it is, William.
It's incredible.
But these first things that you talked about, these vibrations, this paralysis, all the rest of it, the noise that you might experience, all of this is highly unpleasant most of the time.
I mean, it's something you don't want anything to do with, and you force yourself awake a lot of times just to stop it, right?
Well, yeah, to a point, and until you get used to it.
That's one of the things I train people to do in my workshops is to condition themselves to adapt to it so that they can use the precursor, the sounds, as almost like a launching pad.
Well, then, how do you figure what happened to me?
I hate people who tell old stories, and I've told this before, but there's a big audience that's never heard it.
I was in Paris lying in bed.
We were on vacation.
I was with my wife.
Everything was great, spiffy.
I was trying to fall asleep or asleep.
I don't know which.
I can't even remember now.
And it happened in a flash, William, in an unmeasurable amount of time.
nobody could measure the time and i was i was suddenly about my body over the city of paris out by i was at It was words just can't describe what I felt.
And then, bang!
It ended, and I was back in my body and shocked and waking my wife up and driving her nuts saying, you wouldn't believe what just happened to me.
And you know, you just described what has happened to millions of people around the world.
Because it's often, it's just a totally spontaneous event, and bang, you're floating up into the sky or at your ceiling or just floating out of your Body somewhere, and most of the people that, according to the survey, most of the people found it to be an incredibly enjoyable experience.
Now, not all, but just like you, you had it's a remarkable experience, and it changes people's lives because I've received many a letter from an atheist that has told me that they are no longer an atheist after an OBE.
If you're asking me, and I'll tell you why, because to me, sure, it's something that happens, but it's something that happens so far to a living, albeit perhaps sleeping, human body.
Living is the key word there, living.
So, yeah, I mean, we may have powers of the mind that we just don't even begin to guess about yet.
Oh, I know it's strong because I know that I can consciously direct.
Now, I'm talking specifically about self-initiated experiences.
Now, the very nature of a spontaneous, because I've had many spontaneous, but as you know, my books and my workshops are devoted to self-initiating the experience.
And when you self-initiate the experience, you have much more control because you're expecting it, you're trained.
In other words, you don't flip out.
And because of that mindset, you can really, for lack of a better word, take advantage of it and really gain knowledge.
You can actually, let's just say, prolong the experience.
I mean, in other words, one thing I learned very quickly is that I realized immediately that I had passed lives as a German tank commander and that I had died in World War II.
And it was very clear to me.
It wasn't any theoretical hocus-pocus.
I knew for a fact that I was a German officer during World War II, and I died on the Russian front.
The universe, one of the things I know from out-of-body exploration is that the universe is multi-dimensional continuum and that the physical world is Like the epidermis layer.
When you leave your body, you're actually going inward into the subtle substructure of matter.
And of course, this is where everyone goes when they die.
Heaven, this whole term of heaven is nothing more than just a crude biblical phrase denoting this multi-dimensional continuum.
And when no one really dies, they just shed the outer body and move to the inner world.
Or worlds, actually, there's many, many countless worlds.
There'll still be, you will have an awareness of your beingness, your I-ness.
You will still be, and your own self-conception will still be that of your last incarnation.
You will still consider yourself Art Bill.
Because people continue in the same, it's like when I, and I'm using my own life as an example, but I have thousands of people's letters and I've talked to people over the last 10 years and gathered tremendous feedback from people.
And many people, one of the first things they do when they have an out-of-body experience is visit a dead loved one.
Or a dead loved one will visit them.
And of course, if you're not prepared for that, it's a little bit strange.
But what happens is your loved one, and I'm using my mother now as an example, who I've met on multiple occasions, she's in her prime when I see her.
By see, I mean perceive, because you don't have eyes as we know it.
But the point is, people continue very much the same as they were.
They just take on a, let's just say, the ideal representation of their energy body, because everything is really energy.
For most people, it's not as radical as a change as you may think because most people will, let's just say when they make the transition of death, they will find themselves on, and I hate the word astral, but that's fine.
It's what people perceive or the astral plane, which is the next major dimension parallel to the physical.
Now, there's what I call the parallel world, which is a small realm, but most people will end up in the astral dimension living lives in many respects like they've done in the physical.
They will still have form.
They will still have a body.
It will just be made of a different kind of matter, different kinds of vibrations.
But it will still, to them, feel...
If you and I were vibrating 100 times faster, and we couldn't tell the difference from, you know, just like two jet planes going Mach 3 next to one another are standing still.
The same applies here.
Everybody continues, and the vast majority, because of their evolution, will continue on different aspects of the astral plane.
But still, I'm sorry to keep coming back to this question.
I only have this frame of reference.
I can see things about me.
I know I am.
I know how I trot through linear measured time.
And I can't even reference a self-awareness, a continuance, would have to include some continuation of identity, if not ego, certain identity, self-awareness, right?
So you would continue to be Art Bill into your next incarnation.
That's the only way I can put it.
You would be Art Bill on the astral plane.
That's the way it appears to be.
That's based on many, and I'm not just basing this on my observations for thousands of people.
if then we assume the astral plane is the other side of place where one resides of prior to another incarnation then just for grins what about ghosts growth or nothing more then up Let's just say the astral body that's been slowed down so that you can see it for a brief period of time.
That's all it is.
Ghosts are such a, it's almost a fun hour...
It's almost silly because we're surrounded by people all the time that are vibrating just out of sync with us so we can't see them.
If I've been listening to William correctly, and I think I have, he's telling us we really need to redefine everything we think we know about life, death especially, and that we're simply talking about different vibrational rates, different dimensions, if you prefer.
And all of this, all the dead, all of everything that's ever been or ever will be, is all around us in a different state.
Something to really think about.
We'll be right back.
i don't think i over dramatize that that i in other words uh...
you have to sort of But there is everything, and it's all around us.
And that includes the dead, and that includes what was, is, and will be, and in some way that we can't, well, I guess you might understand.
Yeah, I write about that in one of my books where a woman actually, she found herself, she was watching herself driving the car as she was floating above her car.
In fact, recently, I don't know, a year or two ago, there were some Japanese children, maybe even hundreds of them, that were affected in some way by some TV cartoon they broadcast in Japan.
It had some flicker rate or flash rate or whatever it was, but it really got.
So would that be a way to induce something like this?
There's all kinds of modern methods to induce OBEs.
One of them is with there's companies out there that are making devices that use flickering lights with brain synchronization music to induce altered states of consciousness.
I have an entire product line that I've developed with Mach One Audio that we've been marketing for years, and we're always trying to tweak it and work on it.
All right, let's talk about the safe side of this for a second, because while I certainly know you can leave your body, it doesn't, well, there are questions.
I mean, reasonable people who have never done this but might be willing to give it a try would have serious questions.
And the serious questions would include, is it safe?
And I'm not exaggerating because a lot of times, you know what happens, and this goes for everyone, when you open the door to the experience, it may take you 30, 60 days to have your first experience.
But once you open the door, it's almost like something internally happens that no one can explain.
But at that point, you are just open and receptive to have the experiences at any time.
Unless you shut down psychologically because of fear, you will just have the experiences.
A lot of times they're brief.
I mean, you know, there could be a few seconds here and there.
But the point is, once you're conditioned and open, they just happen.
Do you have any idea, by the way, the actual linear length of an OBE?
Has there been any research to date that can identify when an actual OBE has begun with a person in or near the sleep state, and it has actually measured in linear time how long it went on?
Any doctor, there's probably a million doctors out there would tell you that that was an hallucinary experience that you had, Mr. Art Bell.
Sure.
But you know it wasn't.
You know it was something more than that.
You may not be able to explain it, but you know it was something quite different than just an hallucination.
And this applies to everyone out there.
The key is to have the experience.
Every year, 7 million people in America have near-death experiences based on the last research I've seen.
It's over 7 million.
And out of these 7 million people that are having near-death experiences, you could not in any way, shape, or form convince these people that they're having hallucinations and disassociative issues.
Long, long ago, William, when I was young and pretty stupid, I worked for a rock and roll radio station on the island of Okinawa.
I broke a couple of world records there.
One of them was I went continuous DJing for 113 hours and 15 minutes.
At the time, a record.
No sleep during that.
That was from like, I forget, Monday, I think it was Monday afternoon through Saturday morning or something like that.
It was incredible.
I wasn't allowed to use drugs.
I had doctors, Japanese doctors all around me.
I kept myself awake by holding frozen cans of orange juice up against my carotid artery and all over my face.
You know, they were checking me all the time.
No drugs, no coffee.
Past a certain point, they made me stop because of my heart rate.
But I can't recall.
It was the third day or maybe into the fourth day.
William, I was, for a long period of time, I went from the world that I was in to some other world that was every bit as real with drawers and walls.
And I was in a house, in a situation, and it was as real as the reality in front of me right now.
And finally, somebody shook me hard enough that I came out of this apparent dissociative state.
but i i i must tell you william that uh...
for the time i was in it and it was like a long period of time i was in it alternate world william with alternate people in an alternate situation that was every it is real to touch and smell and be part of is what i'm doing right now Oh, it wasn't.
this is like a ticket to ride to what's really out there and how do we figure out which is hard I think that leave that up for the for all the listeners to explore it themselves I can't prove this no more than the doctor can prove his viewpoint.
What I ask people to do is just logically, explore it for yourself.
If you see techniques and if you feel inclined to try these techniques, which have been proven over many, many decades to work, try them for yourself.
Believe me, back in 72, when I had my first experience, I didn't believe this was true.
I was an agnostic that wouldn't have, if somebody told me about this, I would have said they were crazy or smoking pot or something.
But I had at least the open mind to try it.
And for 30 days, I tried one of the techniques.
And that's when I had my first experience.
And it tell you, it changed my entire self-conception.
You have to be on the ball when you start to have these experiences so you can distinguish, let's just say, thought-created realities from objective realities.
It takes some training.
That's why, of course, I've written two entire books that go into this.
This is something, though, that takes the individual to explore and to do the techniques and then let the listener decide for themselves if it's real.
But I can tell, if you take 30 to 60 days and you do an OBE technique that I write about or techniques that I have available, most people can have an experience in that time, and then you judge for yourself.
Yes, there's many different causes for out-of-body experiences.
Childbirth being one, but combat, certainly.
Any kind of trauma can induce it.
Now, that doesn't mean it's not valid just because it's been induced that way.
The same applies to a near-death experience in a way.
I mean, they're also induced by all kinds of trauma, typically, or heart attacks, or some kind of trauma to the body, let's say.
So, yes, OBEs are induced by all kinds of methods.
The reason I wrote about it is because I was intrigued with the letters that I had received, especially from combat soldiers, soldiers that were in combat.
Matter of fact, I devoted an entire chapter just to this topic in Secret of the Soul.
Generally, they were, let's just say, OBEs induced by severe trauma, for instance, mortar attacks.
One of them that hits me particularly was it was a platoon that was ambushed in the Delta, and they were hit by a severe attack of mortars, and the entire platoon was decimated.
And the bottom line was they were all, I think there was only three survivors, if I remember right, from this one story out of this company.
And the only reason the one survived is that he was knocked back from the blast of, and of course he received shrapnel.
But he was actually floating above his body, and he watched as the VC come in and stripped his body of his boots and his weapon.
And he actually watched it from above, looking down on this whole site.
And the only reason he wasn't killed was because they already thought he was dead.
And he watched all his friends having it, because I guess the boots were the big thing that they would steal immediately, and then they would take off into the jungle before more air power come in.
And he wrote me this letter explaining how he was floating above his body, watching himself, his own body being stripped of his clothes and his boots.
And it was only, and he was, he observed the entire thing, and then he observed where they actually, you know, they melted back into the jungle.
And he just barely survived.
But I think he was only, out of the, I think it was a company, he was only three survivors in this particular attack.
And that was just kind of an example of the kind of things generally that a lot of times they would observe the physical events that were happening around them.
Let's pull back from that, although recognizing it does occur.
And if you were to give somebody right now a quick little 101, if you want to have, if you want to have an OBE and you want it to be successful, how do I do it?
Okay, there is a lot of, of course, as you know, I disclose about 50 different ways.
One of the most effective ways is to awaken in the middle of the night.
In other words, set your alarm for about four hours, then awaken, and then pick up a book and start, or whatever.
But get up, move to another location.
For instance, if you're in bed, move to the couch.
Start maybe read for a few minutes.
Don't read Stephen King or something.
Read about this topic.
And then begin a technique.
And I'm just going to give you one of many.
As you're already, you just woke up, but you're a little bit groggy.
You're not wide awake.
You move to another location.
This is really important.
You go to the couch, for instance.
You get comfortable.
You lay down again.
And then you, for instance, you could imagine yourself in a whirlpool.
And again, I'm doing this very briefly.
There's motion techniques.
There's many different ones.
But one of them is you imagine yourself in a whirlpool and you feel yourself spinning around and you try to hold that sensation of yourself going around in a whirlpool as your last conscious thought as you go to sleep.
And while you're doing this, it also may help to do affirmations like now I'm out of body or something along those lines.
In other words, have that intention clearly ingrained in your conscious mind.
Because, you know, the first REM period occurs 90 minutes in the sleep, and then they occur a little more frequently as you go through the night, where the second one may be an hour in.
Okay, now I'm talking about if we get past the vibrational state, the noise, and the discomfort, it's very discomforting, and you feel like you're out of control, but suddenly.
Most people, they have a lightness or heaviness sensation will come over them and they'll begin to...
Roll sideways.
Because you have to break the energy mold.
One of the problems here at the beginning of people having OBEs is that they forget, it's almost like a, for lack of a better word, it's like a gelatin mold.
There is an energetic connection between your physical and your non-physical body.
And that has to be disrupted a little bit in order to have the full experience.
And you do that by rolling or directing.
This is very important.
You surrender to the sensation of floating and you direct your energy body to the door.
I use door or window because there's always a door somewhere.
Well, then you should read the Bible a little closer because in 1 Corinthians, St. Paul talks about, he states, I know someone in Christ who 14 years ago, whether in the body or out of the body, was called up to the third heaven.
I mean, and this goes on and on about different comments about so-called Christian saints having out-of-body experiences.
Even I, though, I wonder if we're crossing into this other dimension or this other realm or whatever state we're putting ourselves in when we do what you have described here, by your own admission, the dead are all around us.
Everything is all around us.
So aren't you opening a door between one area and another area?
And how can there be any guarantee that it's all going to be good on the other side of the door?
They are sensitive to the energy around the person.
You know what they're actually reading?
And most people have no idea of this.
They're reading the energy, the thought forms around the person.
And that's how they can, I'm talking about a good psychic, not some quack.
They're actually feeling, sensing, or seeing, because different psychics have different abilities, different, let's just say, senses that they've developed.
They actually can see and feel the thought forms around the person, and that's how they can tell the future.
Because they are sensing the thoughts, the future that's already being constructed on the astral plane.
Something that we've talked about here on the air, I note that you have written down here, and I'm glad because it fits right in.
We were talking a little while ago about computers, vibration, the flicker rate of a computer, and altered states.
And, you know, we've had all these reports of what we call shadow people.
And these are, I don't know, beings or something that is on the edge of reality and at the edge of your vision, peripheral vision, and you just see them flitting across.
But you definitely saw something.
And some people have begun to even see these creatures or whatever they are full on.
And I'm wondering, and wondered when we got deep into that discussion about shadow beings, if it could be true.
So many reports from people who use computers a lot.
If perhaps using that computer, it just shifts our vibrational rate enough that we get a glimpse of something we wouldn't otherwise see.
Some people go as deep as theta while they're at the computer.
I know I do on occasions.
I go really deep.
I find myself zoning out completely.
And a lot of people do that.
And I think once you enter in that altered state of consciousness, then we're back to, remember what we were talking about with the ghost?
In a way, it's the same kind of phenomena occurring.
These are beings that not only have we shifted our brain waves and our ability to perceive a little bit, but there are beings that can lower their vibration rate enough to be at least seen just for a brief period of time.
The same is true for poltergeist activity.
This same principle applies.
Poltergeists are nothing more than astral beings who can lower their vibration temporarily enough to interfere or affect matter.
And it's generally for a very brief period of time.
And it's like, as research has proven, it's generally children, astral children, who are playing pranks on adults.
And I've had a dream within the past couple of days.
And what's amazing about it is that three other people, veterans with similar backgrounds, have all reported the same type of dream where, first off, let me state unequivocally that I was not shot while I was in Vietnam.
I got blown up, or I should say the Jeep I was in got blown up, but I came through it without a scratch.
However, in the dream, I'm lying on the side of the road and I'm above myself.
I can see me down there.
And it feels great.
I mean, there's no pain, no sensation, no nothing.
It kind of fades out, and I'm outside my present-day house, looking at it and looking at the night sky, feeling again great, absolutely fantastic.
I do delineate, but I think that that's the biggest, let's just say that's the biggest question out there.
How does everyone determine the difference between the two?
For me, I have a pretty harsh standard.
I have to be consciously present.
When I train people to have OBEs, I train them to feel that they have to be as present as they are in their physical body.
But I also know that there's a continuum of consciousness, so that there are various states of consciousness that people experience.
And I tell you, that dream, especially that whole separation, that sounds to me like the gentleman had an OBE, and that was his mind's interpretation of it.
It's like floating.
It's the same thing.
what is it floating dreams i feel strongly Basically, that's what we've been trained to believe.
That this body is us, which is, of course, false.
And we have to overcome that conditioning.
And in our experiences, many people, let's just say your mind gets around it by giving it another symbol like floating.
Or in his case, he had this traumatic event or whatever in this jeep or whatever, this vehicle, and then he was floating above it.
And for you, Art, it's that flying sensation that you like so much.
Your mind is interpreting that as a flying dream or a floating dream when that could actually be the OBE occurring and your mind's trying to wrap itself around it and interpret it according to its own belief system.
That's the type of thing that people, the jerk awake that you mentioned at the intro, you know, that's what a lot of people, everybody out there listening probably has experienced at some time in their life laying in their bed or laying on the couch taking a nap, and then suddenly you feel like you just fell out of the sky and fell on your sofa.
Well, they were, you actually, I'll ask you another show, but you were talking about the, oh, was it Overrunning in the City about a guy that wanted to pull a grenade?
Well, here's a question that I'd like to ask your guest.
My mother, five months before she passed away, my father told us that they had separate bedrooms, and her bedroom was next to his, and he heard a noise like in the kitchen, and he thought, what's mom doing up?
William, I wrote a book called The Source because I've always had the feeling that a whole lot of what I talk about on this program is all tied together.
It all relates, that there's some commonality, and there's some source for all of this.
And that's just a word, The Source, right?
But it served to kind of describe the collective everything that we're talking about, whether we're talking about remote viewing or the phenomena of OBEs or near-death or ghosts or shadow people.
Including the super string theory that I'm sure you know all about.
This stuff is not just theoretical.
I mean, there are some of the greatest minds in the world today would come on your show right now and tell you, yes, the universe is multi-dimensional.
I was paralyzed in a car accident about 16 years ago.
Since then, I've experienced lucid dreams and flying dreams and quote-unquote anti-gravity dreams.
And I was wanting to know what suggestions you may have for an aspiring astral traveler and others who might have a disability, especially some or a lot of paralysis like myself.
I'm paralyzed from about the mid-chest down.
And as I've said before, I've had experiences where I know that I'm dreaming while I'm dreaming, and so I'm controlling the flying, and sometimes I control it better than other times, and other times I lose the ability, and then I know I'm going to wake up.
And so I've had very, very little experience.
I was wanting to know what type of techniques you would be able to give someone such as myself.
Also, I was wanting to know what you thought about Robert Bruce's comprehensive book, Astral Dynamics, what you thought about.
Yes, and I remember the first ones were when my mother platonized me, and she would be admonishing me, and I would just stare, and all of a sudden I would be above it all, thinking how ridiculous she looked, pointing her finger at me, admonishing me.
talking about going out of your body I've got to tell you, I've been rocking my brain.
unidentified
Hoping to find a way out I've had enough of you He's got this dream about tonight.
He's gone.
Give up the dues and wanna dance.
Dance out.
Five little doubts.
Forget about everything.
You know he'll always keep moving You know he's never gonna stop moving Cause he's rolling, he's the rolling stone When you wake up it's a new morning The sun is
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So my question is, I've always been able to do this, and it's always been pleasant.
Never had any of those, and I've always been caught awake.
And one of the weirdest ones, though, is I worked for Prudential Base, and I was trading commodities, and all of a sudden I zoomed up outside my body to the top.
I think there's a lot of different things that you remember what we were talking about, it being thoughts being the creative force that molds matter.
You know, the very core of the old, what is considered the magical arts, is really about manipulating the energy that you can't see to mold it into physical Reality.
Do you believe that it's possible in an out-of-body experience that I could visit a place that I've never been before and know and be able to describe in detail where I am?
Yes, I think the timeline is, for those that are open to it, the timeline is available, both future and past.
And again, it's up to the individual.
I've experienced many different, let's just say of my personal past lives, and I've verified that through multiple experiences, like the one I mentioned about being a German soldier in my last incarnation.
And I know I gained certain qualities from that experience.
She said she had disabling degenerative disease of some sort.
I would think for people in that position, people in wheelchairs, people who are paralyzed perhaps or have disabilities that won't let them move, won't let them go anywhere, they could learn this.
But I would think, actually, getting really right down to it, that administrations ought to rethink that because they want to keep the prison population, what's the right word, not agitated, right?
But even that aside for a second, an escape without an actual physical escape would be certainly a psychological release that would keep prisons a lot calmer than they sometimes are.
I had a dream, and I've had it a few times in my life, where I'm like flying, like other callers have said, and I'm like flying over water.
But the thing that surprises me the most while it's happening is not the fact that I'm flying, but that the method and ability I was using to fly seems so familiar and that I always had this ability, this feeling, and it seems so natural and so normal.
And I was more amazed at that feeling that I always had the ability in me to fly than flying itself, which was a beautiful scene over the ocean.
What is it you think about human beings, William, that has them investigating everything physical around them on our planet, beneath our planet, above our planet, out of the atmosphere, stars, the very beginning of it all.
We're looking everywhere around us physically, but we're not looking inward.
Of your two books, for those who are intrigued tonight, and I can tell you they're Legion, would you recommend they begin with your first book or just dive straight into number two?
I would say probably number, I'd go with Adventures Beyond the Body, but I would, see, they're both so different.
I would recommend both because one of them is my experiences.
Adventures Beyond the Body focuses on my 25 years back then of experiences, where Secret of the Soul was based on hundreds of other people's experiences.
So you get a whole different viewpoint of the subject.
And that's why I thought it was important to write the second book because I didn't want this to be, you know, about me or what, you know, and that's what ends up happening in so many books out there.