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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Dr. Richard Boylan - Star Children

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's time zones covered ever so well by this, the largest of all overnight programs emanating at this moment from a little town called Peru, Nevada.
		How's that?
		I'm Mark Bell, and of course, this is Coast to Coast AM weekend version.
		And Ramona and myself spent the day exactly like the cat in the picture on my webcam.
		That, by the way, is shadow.
		And you will see here draped over the couch.
unidentified		That's where we were, draped over the couch, watching playoff football.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even though my teams have done abysmally, abysmally this year, I have, well, I guess I've gotten caught up in the playoffs, and I wanted to see if the devils of Kansas City got their butts ridden, and they did, but just barely.
		And then I don't know what happened.
		You know, I'm a Green Bay fan, loosely a Green Bay fan.
		And I tell you, the devil made Brett Favre throw that pass.
		The devil had to have done it.
		There was no one down there.
		He just, you know, at an incredibly critical moment in the last couple of minutes of the game, just did a Brett Favre, just let it loose.
		And that was it.
		So the Eagles continue.
unidentified		But at least the evil Kansas City didn't prevail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there was something to the day.
		So we spent it, lounge-lizarded on the couch, just like that very cat that I took a picture of this afternoon, who lounged with us.
		So what's going on in the world?
		We're going to do open lines here in a moment.
		Under fire, rather, in a campaign debate, Howard Dean conceded grudgingly Sunday night that he never named a black or Latino to his cabinet during the nearly 12 years he had as governor of Vermont.
		I guess he was served up that zinger by Al Sharpton.
		Impatience with Iraq's occupying forces, they are impatient over there, boiled over Sunday as unemployed Iraqis pelted British troops with thank-yous and love.
		No, actually stones.
		And a top Shiite Muslim cleric demanded the country's next parliament be elected, a position at odds with American plans.
		Now, I didn't get an opportunity to see 60 minutes, but I am assured by FastBlast that there was a it's bigger than Watergate type story, right?
		Ex-Secretary of the Treasury Paul O'Neill came out with a book, The Price of Loyalty, right?
		How the administration was planning war before with Iraq Before 9-11.
		Well, I wouldn't be shocked by that, really.
		I think I halfway believe it myself.
		I think there were probably plans to finish off what dad started.
		And they went on to say they divided up all the oil booty to be had beforehand.
		I don't know about that, but yes.
		I think it's possible that we very well knew what we were going to do, whatever.
		I mean, America does not traditionally do that, but then what if there had not been 9-11?
		would not have had would we have them what wouldn't there have been a much bigger human cry when we invaded Iraq have there not been 9/11 much much bigger without immediate provocation there were words of weapons of mass destruction pending over our industrial heads aside.
		There really wasn't very much justification to do what we did.
		But, you know, that's history, and as I've said before, now we are there, and we have to figure out how to finish it off.
		You know, kind of like Brett Favre there in the last couple of minutes.
		You've got to manage to close the deal, right?
		And that's what we've got to do with Iraq now.
		Without getting too many more Americans and other allies killed, we've got to figure a way to close the deal.
		More in a moment.
unidentified		Music.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Incidentally, a lot of people already think I am the mad scientist.
		I'm the mad ham radio operator.
		I'm going to double the size of my already very large antenna.
		It's presently a thousand-foot loop, what's called a thousand-foot loop, with two actual loops, and then mesh underneath on the ground, soaring into the air.
		Well, I acquired another piece of property that was critical to the continuation of my madness.
		And so that connects, you see, to yet another piece of property that I happen to have.
		And so the loop will then soon grow and extend to five acres of madness.
		It's going to be really big.
		And, you know, people just shake their heads at me.
		Mars.
		I'm just shaking my head about Mars, rocks.
		But it is, of course, a very, very interesting mission.
		And the soil that the rover hit as it bounced down is apparently really interesting and weird stuff.
		The rover's coming off its little stand to examine that a whole lot more.
		One of the things they have found on Mars so far would appear to be the evidence of water on the red planet.
		Of course, that would lead one to the, I don't know if it's an inevitable conclusion, but certainly probability that, you know, you've got water and air, you've got life, probably.
		But something happened to the life on Mars.
		Something jolting, something catastrophic, something biblical.
		Ooh, did I say that?
		And then, as I mentioned to the audience last night, I wish to mention to you again, we get this story from the journal Nature, you know, the well-respected journal Nature.
		Climate change extinction, a threat to 25% of animals.
		What the scientists are saying, and they are the scientists that are saying this, are that in our lifetimes, well, maybe not mine, but most many of you, the planet will lose fully one quarter of all of the plant and animal species that are here right now.
		You give that a little bit of thought.
		25% of everything, gone because of climate change.
		That's the latest in nature.
		You're really going to want to take a hard look at that and think really hard about it.
		Well, this is an interesting case.
		Apparently, at a Burger King drive-in, some teenage pranksters learned how to hack into the wireless frequency.
		You know, they have a little gal who comes on and asks you what you would like, right?
		Whatever.
		Well, the teenagers are hacking into it.
		Policeman Jerry Sherlink said the pranksters told one customer who had just placed an order, you don't need a couple of whoppers.
		You're too fat.
		Pull ahead.
		The offenders are reportedly tapping into the wireless frequency at the restaurant in Troy, Michigan.
		Police plead the culprits are watching and broadcasting from close range, probably so they can see the reaction of the astounded customer, right?
unidentified		You think what about me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the sort of thing that perhaps when I was much younger, well, I may have considered.
		Hey, the father of the Euro, that's the money in Europe, right?
		The Euro now thinks that there should be a new global currency.
		So that's right, the U.S. dollar would be kaput, and we'd probably have to use some of that funny colored European money.
		Not good.
		But he'd like to do it.
		Robert Mundel, a Nobel Prize-winning economist, often credited with paving the way to the European single currency, has now called for a global currency.
		And I wonder how you all feel about that.
		Having to give up your dollars for some shiny little colored hunk of paper that would be a world currency, spendable.
		Oh, it would make trade so easy, wouldn't it?
		Everybody had the same money.
		Imagine.
		Probably going to go that way.
		The new world is coming, whether we like it or not.
		And the answer is mostly not.
		It is occurring.
		Now, fortunately, and hopefully with regard to the way I feel about it, not in my lifetime, but I see an irreversible trend.
		Don't you?
		One world this, one world that.
		The world shrinks with more communication.
		Satellites ring the planet.
		Everybody talks to everybody in the immediate.
		Billions of dollars trade in the air overnight in the ether as the satellites buzz around us.
		So it is morphing into a one world kind of place.
		And eventually, I suppose all borders will disappear.
unidentified		And you can see it coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You definitely don't like it because I'm as red-blooded American as anybody else.
		And the idea of erasing the borders and all that we are, especially in the world, doesn't appeal to Me one bit.
		A New Mexico funeral home owner received the surprise of his career, I'll bet he did, when a man pronounced dead at a hospital and then taken to life here at the funeral home suddenly decided to come back to life just before he was going to be embalmed.
		In other words, we had reached the point where you were there in the funeral home and they were going to embalm you.
		This is passing a lot of hurdles of he's dead.
		And a fellow named, well, Russell Muffley, owner of Muffley's funeral home in Clovis, New Mexico, said he noticed Felipe Pedila breathing when the man was pronounced dead after he was pronounced dead at a hospital as he was being transferred to his facility on Wednesday.
		He was rushed back to the same hospital immediately, of course.
		In fact, you'd think they'd be rushing back the fellow at the funeral home, right, as well as this fellow, but he didn't recover.
		He was declared dead a second time.
		And I guess they waited probably the maximum amount of time before embalming him and then went on with business.
		But yeah, that would give you the shock of your life, wouldn't it?
		Well, all right.
		Let us do some open lines and see what's on your mind out there, shall we?
		anything you want to talk about uh...
		at this hour is absolute fair game all while in the next hour we will speak with doctor richard boylan who will talk among other things about something that That is to say, perhaps children on the planet now that are seeds of alien-human combinations.
		I mean, this man is a PhD, and that's what he's here to talk about tonight.
		But to me, the whole concept of star children, while appealing in fantasy, it's a kind of a reach, right?
		A little bit of a reach for me, but maybe, maybe, you never know.
		Maybe they're here now.
		Who am I to know?
		Of the billions on this planet, I know darn few of them personally.
		So, could be.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there.
		Hello.
unidentified		Is that me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's you.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		About 50 years ago, I invented a high-pneumatic drive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A what?
unidentified		A high-pneumatic drive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A high-pneumatic drive.
unidentified		Yes, and it's a machine that runs on its own energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		And it uses one between 1 to 5% of its power to run it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I never did nothing with it because oil was so cheap and meaning that you get it started with 1 to 5% or you have to continuously use 1 to 5%.
unidentified		I have to continually use 1 to 5% of its energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alrighty, to keep it in perpetual motion.
unidentified		Now, you made a challenge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And now, if I make this thing up, what kind of security do you have?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Me?
unidentified		It won't be stolen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that it wouldn't be stolen.
		Well, let's see.
		I've said I would like to have somebody send me so much as even a free energy toy.
		And you're offering a free energy drill, pneumatic thing.
unidentified		Yeah, it's a high pneumatic drive.
unidentified		It's a machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't have any security.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I've got personal security and that kind of thing, but I'm not sure I'd die for your drill.
unidentified		Well, it's a machine that runs a generator, in other words.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I just wonder what kind of security.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, have you already built this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or do you buy it?
unidentified		I built a small one a long time ago.
unidentified		I'm going to build a smaller one now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even a smaller one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Usually people build bigger ones.
unidentified		A big one.
		Now, see, the big one would use 1 to 5%.
		The small one would take around about 45 to 50 percent to run it, because it's so small.
		It's going to be about, oh, 60 feet high by about...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, I'm thinking of something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you use 45, 50% of the power to run it, then eventually it's going to run down.
unidentified		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Never, huh?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		It could continue to use its own energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does not deplete at that rate.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		You contact me by email.
		I have indeed issued this challenge.
		So if you've got the goods, I'll figure out a way to have security and have the time to examine it.
		All right?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So contact me by email.
		I'm Artbell at MindSpring.com or artbell at AOL.com.
		That is general information for all of you.
		If you'd like to email me, artbell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, all lowercase at mindspring.com or artbell at aol.com.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Chris up in Fairbanks, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Chris.
unidentified		It's actually pretty warm up here, warmer than New York.
		How warm?
		It's one above.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, all of one above zero.
unidentified		Well, yeah, that's a tropical heat wave for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, for Fairbanks, it is, you know.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Let's do you on Kayak FM, or AM, up here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And you had mentioned yesterday about the Mars rocks, about how the picture is just, your mind is pretty much just making it look like whatever you want.
unidentified		Well, I agree with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think that's the natural human tendency, you know, to try and make order out of chaos, of course.
unidentified		Well, I came up with this idea.
		There was one other thing I wanted to discuss after this, but the idea was this.
		You mentioned that if you could go out to Death Valley, you could take a picture out there that would look just like the Marsh Rocks.
		What we ought to do is have people go out to different desert locations and do exactly that.
		Do exactly that, change the background.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or maybe Sedona would be good, because Sedona, for example, is pretty much red.
		And there's an area just to the west side of Las Vegas called Red Rock, that would be good.
		Or the Death Valley floor would be ideal.
		And my contention is that if you took a picture of selected areas in those places and then you were to turn it over to someone, here's the latest strip from Mars, you know, they'd find something.
		They'd find the shoe, an old implement, something.
unidentified		Of course, you remember Wayne Green about his moondoggle.
		Oh, yeah, come back.
		I'm going to say that Mars is the same thing, though.
		But the other thing I wanted to mention was the collective consciousness you talked about.
		Yes.
		It reminded me of something I read in the Bible once in Genesis 11, verse 6.
		I'm not going to quote it to you.
		I'll just tell you the paraphrase it.
		It basically said the people were one, they had one language, and because they were one and had one language, nothing would be restrained from them that they imagined to do.
		I got to thinking about what you're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that definitely fits, doesn't it?
unidentified		Well, let's do that with Osama bin Laden.
		Pick a good night when there's a lot of listeners on.
		It's pretty much we're all hearing in one language now, anyways, English.
		And we can all concentrate on Osama bin Laden being found.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Being found.
unidentified		Yeah, why not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess that wouldn't be so bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought you were going to have him have a coronary or something.
unidentified		Well, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, inevitably, the Prime Minister of Canada would then fall down dead, and we'd get windows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those are the kinds of things that I'm worried about with all of this, and it's why I don't experiment in these areas.
unidentified		I'm not even sure about what you just said, because if we find him, people will realize, hey, this is something real.
unidentified		You know, of course, the government will probably want to investigate into it and be upset with you, but something awful would happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'd get him cornered in a cave, and we'd have a bunch of troops there, and he'd light off the only nuclear weapon he'd laid his hands on so far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something, it's just tampering with things that we don't know about.
unidentified		And one other quick thing.
		What is this free energy device challenge you have?
		Because I have a device I built.
		I don't know if you'd call it free energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, all I've ever said, it's not really a challenge.
		I've just said, look, for God's sake, if there's really such a thing out there as a free energy advice, bring me one.
		You know, a toy.
unidentified		I don't care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything that demonstrates over unity, I jump all over it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody's ever sent one.
unidentified		Well, this thing uses a special guest I developed how it'll build.
		And then you put that through this, you know, this kind of gas.
		You better get to me before the oil companies get to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotta go.
		We're at a breakpoint here.
		More ways than one.
unidentified		I'm Ardell.
		Can you hear my heartbeat in this calling?
		Do you know that the heart of this world?
		Let's go.
		You got me running for another night.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how y'all doing?
		It's the weekend, albeit the end of the weekend, but still the weekend.
		Not well, I suppose in some time zones have very tipped into Monday, haven't we?
		I'll tell you a little interesting story that occurred actually the day before.
		It was Friday.
		It would have been Friday.
		It was a very interesting day.
		My network calls up on Friday, and we always check out my uplink, you know, the thing that sends my signal from here to there to the satellite and then onward across our great nation.
		So I cranked it up, as usual, and woe and behold, it wasn't working.
		Something was wrong.
		You could type, and you could hear a little tink-tink-tink as you type, you know, it makes a little sound, but nothing I typed brought any response.
		It was a blank screen with only a blinking cursor.
		Well, you know, the keyboard plugged into the bottom of the monitor, and then from the monitor, it came out.
		And so I didn't think anything about it, and I thought, well, we're dead.
unidentified		This time, we're really dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is a true story.
		And I had worked on it, you know, hassled with it and worked on it all day long, trying to get something, some any little thing from it, and I couldn't.
		And I finally wrote it off, and I said, oh, well, you know, we'll do the program on ISDN, which is a different carried way to carry the program, you know, sort of a backup thing.
		Anyway, I went to bed.
		It was about 5.30 in the morning, and I was almost asleep, right on the very edge of sleep.
		And I was thinking about this, and I thought, you know, wait a minute, the keyboard plugs into the bottom of the monitor, which is unusual.
		What do you think?
		How does the rest of it go?
		Well, the rest of it goes out of the back of the monitor comes a cable, which goes to a modem where there's a switch, and then back down to the DTV100, which is a digital thingy at the bottom transmitter, converter.
		And I thought, you know what?
		And I was just about to sleep.
		I mean, right on the very edge of sleep.
		And somehow in my head, I saw that connector as being off.
		Buck naked, I ran across the house, pulled the uplink rack out of the closet where we keep it, and looked down, and I'll be damned, there was that cable pulled out.
		I reached down, put it in firmly once again, and success!
		And the reason I told that story is because there's one of those things that the mind works on all day long.
		It was bugging the you-know-what out of me, and I worked on it all day long, and then just that instant before full sleep, it hit me like a rock.
unidentified		I could see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I ran across the house naked, pulled it out.
		What a sight.
		And there was that connector, not connected.
unidentified		plugged it in, all was well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we plunge back into the unknown.
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hi.
		I'm actually a many-time caller.
		I'm sorry.
		You are?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you can't be on this line.
		You have violated the rules.
		You have violated severely the rules.
		And moreover, you have admitted you have violated the rules, which means that you must call another line.
		You can't call up on that line and have the first sentence out of your mouth be, I'm a many-time caller, Art.
		You know that's reserved for first-timers only.
		Wildcard line, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, is that me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be you.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		I've enjoyed listening to your show for since about 95 or so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite a while.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		One of the things I've been wondering about with these Mars missions, put the landers on there, do you know if they have in the plans of also including a microphone system on the landers so we could like?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a really good point.
		A really good point.
		Because a microphone and audio, as compared to the video that they sent back, would take very little bandwidth.
		And wouldn't that be cool to be able to hear Mars?
		There is enough atmosphere, I believe, to hear, isn't there?
unidentified		I would think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		There's enough atmosphere that they have to use parachutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The sound of Mars.
		Yeah, I think people go berserk to be able to hear Mars.
		I would.
unidentified		And Pass out along the Hoagland.
unidentified		Maybe he's got some connections and they can do something about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, imagine what we'd go through then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every little buzz and click would be above!
unidentified		Well.
unidentified		Well, anyway, I think it would be pretty interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure would.
		Thank you.
		Now, there's a guy with a good idea.
		Now, why has NASA not provided for an audio feed of some sort from Mars?
		There would be, I believe, enough atmosphere, right?
		And it would be tantalizing.
		Well, maybe they just don't believe there's any sound on Mars, save the wind.
		That's it.
		They have big storms, wind storms on Mars.
		Some almost perpetual, actually.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello?
		Yes.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		Yes.
		This is Dustin from South Dakota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dustin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Dustin.
unidentified		I was calling in regards to that call you got about the guy doing some digging in the Rockies there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, of course.
		The guy who got cut off, who did the digging and very suspicious.
		Has there been a follow-up to that yet?
		No.
		Have I received an email from him?
		No.
		Have I received another call?
		No.
		Or any attempt at communication?
		Zip, nothing.
		So, either the guy was messing with us or they got him.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Can you run that on the air again?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The call?
unidentified		That call?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, we can do anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it was.
unidentified		My friend, it's kind of hard for me to explain that to other people, try and explain that call to him without him hearing it.
unidentified		There's so many people I wanted to have hear that call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was a very strange call, I admit.
		I'll see what I can do.
		I'll put in a request.
unidentified		I appreciate that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		Sure, why not?
		Wester the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		I just looked in my calendar to see whether we still had a, you know, whether the full moon was now, but it was actually a week earlier.
		But this is one of those zingy nights, it seems.
		Anyway, well, I called to say something about the star children, but also to say that Al Sharpton's remark was really unfair because there are essentially no blacks or Hispanics in Vermont.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a little hard to believe.
unidentified		Pardon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a little hard to believe.
unidentified		Well, I've heard there's something like one-tenth of one percent population that are more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be by percentage of certainly as one of the men.
unidentified		Right.
		I mean, maybe he should have thought of this.
		Who knows when he started thinking about becoming president?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Al Sharpton is, you know, his name fits, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he's a real sharp.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway.
unidentified		Well, and then the other thing is that, oh, God, I just lost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Star, the star children.
unidentified		Yeah, no, there was something else, too, but I just lost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, go back to the star children.
		What do you think about that whole concept?
		Do you think there are half-and-halves here?
unidentified		Well, I don't know, but I ran into this first back in the 80s, and I once went to a UFO abductees conference in Boston because I was curious.
		And John Mack, whom I had heard lectured during the nuclear freeze era when he was working towards that goal, was going to be there.
		And I found him very interesting.
		And of course, he was so good looking.
		Anyway, so I went to this conference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell me something.
		Does that affect the believability of the speaker?
		If there really is a speaker.
unidentified		No, I don't think so.
		That was just a plus.
		And Bud Hopkins was there.
		And I found the people to be very nice and very open.
		And I feel comfortable when I'm amongst people who are outside the circle, who are eccentric like me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But remember the spider and the fly.
unidentified		Oh, really?
unidentified		What do you mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, and then there's some saying about catching more flies with honey.
unidentified		Oh, I see.
		Yeah.
		Well, there were some women who had arranged the conference who really irritated me, and I've felt guilty about it ever since, because they were so amorphous.
		They had no hard edges at all.
		You couldn't get any pieces of information from them.
		And they sent out a flyer before the conference that there was going to be some project having to do with children who found that they could read their teachers' minds and that they were going, you know, and this was going to discuss how to help these children cope with ordinary life like school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cope.
		Cope.
		As a child, I would have given nearly anything to be able to have read my teacher's mind.
unidentified		Cope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All I did was annoy most of my teachers.
		I really did.
		I was, as you might imagine, I was a smart aleck in school.
		You know, I was a joker in school.
		Not always, but, well, yeah, more than not, actually.
		I was a wise acre, so it would have been really cool.
		If you could have read a teacher, you can imagine if you could read the teacher's mind.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Holy mackerel, what is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's some weird sound.
		Listen to that.
		There may be a person there.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello?
		Yeah, this is Greg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Greg, what the hell was that noise?
unidentified		Oh, I'm in an 18-wheeler, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so you had me down on the seat rumbling?
unidentified		No, that's just the noise from the engine under the line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		What's up?
		Oh, yeah.
		Last night I heard a lady, a friend of yours you were talking on the radio with going through a Mojave.
		I never found out if you ever got an answer to that.
		Yes, we did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is some cutoff, according to people, that goes around.
unidentified		Yeah, there's the bypass.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we did get that.
		Thank you very, very much for taking the time and trouble to call.
		But yes, we are very well aware of that.
		Very interesting answer to the whole thing.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		How are you doing tonight, Art?
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		I'm doing well.
unidentified		Listen, this is a little bit out of the realm for Coast to Coast, but I did want your expert opinion on who do you think is going to be in the Super Bowl this year?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New England.
unidentified		The Wing on there, Ian?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're really pushing me here.
unidentified		Maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you see Indianapolis play today?
unidentified		No, but I did watch Donovan McNabb.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man, I tell you what.
		They didn't make any mistakes.
		And every time you gave that team the ball, they went down the field and scored a touchdown.
		I mean, it was just a classic class in pro football.
		I mean, they were perfect.
		So I guess I'd have to say, yeah, I'd have to say Indianapolis.
unidentified		Indianapolis is going to be the champion?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, right this second, that would be my call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if they continue to play like that, they're not stoppable.
unidentified		I agree with you.
		I agree with you.
		They've had a very productive season.
		And listen, I'm going to hang out to listen to the rest of the show.
		You have a good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you.
		See, I really have nothing hard-edged against Kansas City, my remarks.
		I know I'll get a lot of emails, but over the years, Kansas City has done me harm.
unidentified		I mean, we're allowed to bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's legal.
		You can bet here in Nevada.
		And there are many years where we bet recreationally on pro football here.
		And I'll tell you, there is no team in the NFL that has zapped me more times, particularly making heart bets like on San Diego or the Raiders or whatever, than Kansas City.
		So was I hoping for their best today?
		No, I was not.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be me.
unidentified		Oh, good to hear your voice again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you, sir.
unidentified		I've missed you over the last, I guess I tuned back into you a couple months ago.
		Yep.
		This is Geno up in New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I was wondering, whatever happened to one of your two favorite guests.
unidentified		How's he doing, Gordon Michael Scammon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon is fine.
		I get to communicate with Gordon fairly regularly.
		And, you know, because we're both ham operators, and he is a very special person.
		He's fine.
unidentified		So we could be looking forward to him coming back on sometime to be in the city?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Always, always, yes.
unidentified		Because I know in light of what he said about the solar flare-ups and that we have had not long ago, the largest ever recorded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I think you may be referring to Ed Dames.
unidentified		I think maybe about three new years ago, he was on and talking about when it gets up to around 500, with the balls reversing possibly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
unidentified		And at that time, I think it went up to around 350 or something, the explosions that had happened, and never went above 200 in the 400 years they're looking.
unidentified		So just wondering how that was measuring out with his recent insights and how he's doing it and all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know, but I am watching the current solar conditions, and I got a little fast blast a while ago about somebody having sighted an asteroid or something or another headed toward the sun.
		And there is one particular sunspot pointed just about virtually right at Earth right now.
		And there would be, if it should go off and produce a big flare, a possibility of Earth getting pretty well zapped with our magnetic south pole looking, with the Plarity looking south right now, Earth would be fairly vulnerable.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, all right.
		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing well.
unidentified		This is Chris from Missoula, Montana.
unidentified		I'll listen to you on KGBO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		That's a pretty good idea that guy had earlier about putting a microphone on a spacecraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't that be cool?
unidentified		That would be really cool to be able to listen to what Mars sounds like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No good on the moon because there's no atmosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, on Mars, I mean, why not?
unidentified		what would the sound of mars be probably just and that's perfect for you know you Why didn't we think about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Hey, I was commenting.
unidentified		I just wonder, why do people have such a hard time believing that we went to the moon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do wonder about that.
		And I think the answer may be that even today, in this new century, we actually still have a hard time believing that we could do such a thing.
		I mean, even today, a lot of people, they look at the moon, they just don't believe we did it.
		I don't know.
		But we did.
		I'm sure we did.
unidentified		There's just so much proof.
		There's so many things that say there's absolutely no way that we could have faked that.
		I mean, you look at the movies that are made.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, I'm not so sure about that.
		Now, suppose, just for the sake of argument, suppose we had actually wanted to fake it.
		Well, maybe we could have, actually.
		I mean, you know, it could have been done on a sound stage, just the way the movie showed it happened and all the rest of that.
		So, yeah, I mean, it probably, I mean, if we could go to the moon, then we could certainly fake going to the moon.
unidentified		You're an amateur radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Operator, yes, but I do think we went.
unidentified		There was something I heard when they said that amateur radio operators actually listened to the astronauts as they got near to the moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That I can't confirm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would make sense, certainly, that amateurs then were listening on the frequencies.
unidentified		But now if they did that, wouldn't they be able to, isn't there like a Doppler effect that can be measured?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There would be a Doppler while the craft was moving, and then there, of course, would be, if they actually could receive from the moon, there would be a specific enough delay.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, how would you calibrate that delay when you're just hearing one side?
		So now, you know, actually the thing I believe could have been faked.
		Actually, could have been faked.
		We could have pulled that off.
		But my argument is, and my belief, that we didn't.
		I believe we really went.
unidentified		I think we did, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you do?
unidentified		I think we did, too.
unidentified		To say otherwise seems to be insulting towards the thousands of people who are involved in the project.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		And the astronauts themselves, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, absolutely.
		No, we went to the moon.
		And we're about to go back.
		The big news, of course, is the president's going to concentrate on the moon, folks.
		That's going to be maybe look for that speech perhaps Wednesday.
		Our president will say, we're going to go to the moon.
		We're going to establish a base.
		And then someday from there, we're going to go to Mars.
		And I believe that's a worthy goal for the United States.
		So watch for that speech about Wednesday yourself.
		From the high desert, there's hour one coming up.
		Richard Boylan will talk about Star Children and more.
		stay right where you are I can't stay alive without you.
		Oh, baby.
unidentified		Don't leave me this way, you know.
		Don't leave me this way, you know.
		I haven't got the will to try and fight against a new tomorrow, so I guess I'll just believe it that tomorrow will never come.
		I said, night, I'm living in the farthest of the dreams.
		I know the night is now as it would seem.
		I must believe in something, so I'll make myself believe it that this night will never go.
		Oh, oh, oh.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I certainly am a creature of the night, no question about that.
		How y'all doing?
		Coming up, a very interesting discussion.
		It's hard enough for me to believe in the concept of star children.
		Whether they be completely alien or half alien, half human, whatever they might be, it's a difficult concept for me to grasp.
		But here to help us is Dr. Richard J. Boylan.
		And folks, he's a Ph.D., a behavioral scientist, anthropologist, university associate professor emeritus, certified clinical hypnotherapist, consultant, and researcher.
		Dr. Boylan is a consultant to star kids and star seeds seeking to understand their origin, identity, and mission so as to attain optimal awareness and clarity of identity, inner growth, spiritual development, and future path.
		His career has spanned four decades of service as a psychologist, social worker, hypnotherapist, clergyman, retired educator, space anthropologist.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Boylan has served as a lecturer at California State University, Sacramento University of California Davis, and several other universities.
		Since 1989, Dr. Boylan has conducted research into human encounters with the star visitors.
		This has led to his current focus, creation of the Star Kids Project Limited, and working with these hybrid children, there is your answer, with advanced abilities and their families.
		He has presented papers on his research at, among other conferences, the 1992 MIT Abduction Study Conference, the 95 Cosmic Cultures International Conference at Washington, D.C. is author of three books, Close Extraterrestrial Encounters, Labored Journey to the Stars, and Project Epiphany.
		Dr. Boylan is president of the Star Kids Project Limited, a nonprofit educational and training program for young and mature star seeds.
		He is also president of the Academy of Clinical Close Encounter Therapists Inc., a nonprofit educational and research organization, has conducted numerous workshops for mental health professionals on specialized counseling for experiencers of star visitor contact.
		Those are serious, serious credentials about something that a lot of people have trouble taking seriously, the whole concept of star children among us now.
unidentified		Pewds Pewds
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a big resume.
		No question about it.
		Here is Dr. Boylan.
		Doctor, welcome.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Art, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just great.
		Thank you.
		And yourself?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		And it's really a pleasure to have you back on the air.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		I consider you the foremost person, and I'll try and do broadcasting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you.
		All right.
		Well, you know, Doctor, for most people, the concept of visitation of any form is rough.
		The concept of interaction between humans and aliens is very difficult for them to believe.
		And then the idea of hybrids, I mean, of mixing and matching and then having these mixes and matches walking among us, that's really a rough one.
		And I'd like to know how you came to the conclusion firmly in your mind, and you must have a deductive scientific mind, that it is so.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I didn't get there quickly or easily.
		I started the research into people who've had encounters with the Star Visitors back in 89.
		And that was as a result of certain people that year starting to come to me with their accounts of their contacts by the Star Visitors.
		And I knew these were sound people, outstanding citizens in the community, and not lunatics.
		And I got involved.
		It drew me in, the curiosity about this phenomenon and learning more about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of separating of the wheat and the chaff there, though, isn't there?
		I mean, there are, frankly, people who either want to believe or are delusional or, you know, whatever.
		I mean, there's got to be that category.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I would say, and I've worked with over 400 experiencers of such contacts now.
		And I would say about 5% of the people who step forward and say they have these contacts are seriously mentally ill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very low.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And there's an additional percentage, which I would find hard at the moment to quantify, of people who are sort of wannabes or take unusual circumstances and run too far with them and decide they've had an alien encounter, as they might say it.
		Once you move those folks aside, there's still probably a solid 80% of the folks I've dealt with whose accounts stand up in rigorous kinds of tests of whether they're the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What is that process?
		I mean, how, I guess you can't give it all away, but generally, what is the process?
		How do you validate?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, first I check for their mental soundness.
		You know, as a psychologist, by education and training and many decades of experience, I know the signs to look for in that department.
		Then I look for the details of their account of what happened.
		By now, I have accumulated enough experience working with accounts that I know the various races involved, their behavioral patterns, the kinds of messages they give, the kind of craft they come in, typical durations of encounters, and a lot of details, right down to some of the insignia and uniforms and so forth.
		And when somebody gets too far out away from this and makes up stuff that neither I nor Dr. John Mack nor Dr. Leo Frankl or any of the other, what shall we say,
		heavyweight people with lots and hundreds of cases under their belt and good scientific advanced training, when they get outside of probably between the three of us, we probably have anywhere between 1,500 and 3,000 case database.
		Now you figure that's a pretty good sample of everything that's going on.
		And when you get outside of that with a story that's way out in left field from that, then I begin to think that this person may be making it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What about this?
		If there were really hybrids here, then I would guess that there would be a genetic giveaway.
		I mean, we've unraveled the human genome for the most part.
		And I know that, you know, we can look at it.
		The police have labs and they can make all kinds of determinations about your genetic makeup.
		So if we actually had hybrids here, shouldn't they be genetically detectable as such?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes and no.
		Let me tell you the yes and the no of that.
		We're still working on human genome analysis.
		It turns out there are some variations just because of peoples from different parts of the planet have some variations that some people like to call race, but it's really more layered than that.
		So the human genome is not nailed down absolutely 100% yet.
		Granted that it's fairly well nailed down, the challenge in detecting non-human genes, I would estimate in these star kids and adult star seeds for that matter, the extraterrestrial component,
		the extraterrestrial genes in their overall makeup chromosomal package genome, perhaps is something on the order of 15 to 30 percent.
unidentified		It's not like a 50-50.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		So the problem with that is we, the lab scientist doing a genome analysis, has to know what extraterrestrial genes look like, the genome, to kind of do a side-by-side with the standard human genome and see where these hybrids deviate.
		But the trouble is that the genome of certain extraterrestrial races has been worked, but all of that is extremely classified and denied in government labs.
		Dr. Michael Wolfe that I've associated with before his death indeed worked on just such work and indicated the government had been at it for decades before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, who was that?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Michael Wolf with the National Security Council Special Studies Group, what some people used to call MJ-12.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you're telling me the alien genetic makeup, in other words, they've unraveled some of its mysteries.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they've gotten samples from cadavers of star visitors in crashed craft that have been retrieved, plus some tissue samples.
		All it takes is a slab of the inside of your mouth from living star visitors, typically a volunteer scientist consultant working side by side with human scientists in these classified labs trying to pass on some high technology.
		So they've analyzed several, but the trouble is, you know, if you're inside such a classified facility and have the extraterrestrial genome side by side with the human to see where the deviations are, then you can do that.
		What you say is perfectly correct.
		Theoretically, it should be possible to just see how much in a hybrid kid, for example, is human and how much is extraterrestrial genes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not a geneticist, but I mean, would a geneticist, in your view, be able to look at a hybrid's genetic makeup and say, aha, would it stand out Like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying no, that it's more layered.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		I'm not a geneticist either, but my inference from talking to Dr. Wolf, who's done these kinds of side-by-side studies, is that there's only a few places on a few genes where the deviations occur.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		And we know now that it doesn't take but a few changes or differences in certain parts of genes to make some profound differences in the way a person looks and operates.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm told we're just that close to, what, gorillas, I guess?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, chimps were about, I think, 98%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		98%.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		And dolphins do very high level, too, which is another story we'll get into maybe during our time.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		But without that classified extraterrestrial genome information, the civilian labs out in the open can't make those side-by-side analyses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Do you have any indication, any idea of, I mean, we talk about indigo children, star children, and that's been going on.
		That talk has been going on for years.
		Presumably, the process has been going on for years.
		So we might have some star adults by now, or even more.
		Do you know where we are with that?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, yeah.
		I use the label star seeds for the adults and star kids for the juveniles.
		And seed adults are basically either star kids who've grown up, or in some cases, an adult has an encounter with the visitors and they do a little tweaking of the person's physiology and genetics, maybe, and they're transformed by that way.
		Now, how many of the population are that?
		I couldn't say definitively in my estimate, looking at the numbers of people I've dealt with, the number of people who've had encounter experiences and have been physically changed by those, and we can talk in a minute about some of those physical changes.
		Well, you know, the Roper poll estimated 1 or 2% of the population, let's be very conservative and say one quarter of 1% of the population have had an encounter with a star visitor or more during their lifetime.
		That would still be, in the U.S., several millions of people.
		And as I get, you know, this whole Star Kids Starseed stuff is real cutting edge.
		That's why even people who are kind of in the mainstream of ufology scratch their heads at this and say, I've not heard about this.
		But the impression I get from the many cases I've talked to is that a fair number of these people who've had encounters have been transformed.
		And what I've noticed even more is that the kids they have are transformed.
		Many of their kids are star kids in the sense that they have this profile of a large number of quite advanced characteristics that make them stand out from the average human.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I certainly will say this, and I know you're well aware, a very large percentage of duckies, very large, has had some sort of, when you really dig, has had some kind of sexual story to relate with regard to their abduction.
		I mean, it's been very, very, very reproductively oriented.
		The whole abduction phenomenon has been reproductively oriented.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		No question about it.
		I personally, in my research, find that to be a bit overblown in terms of some of the more physical processes.
		But certainly a number of people have had, well, let's run a kind of typical case, you know, a thin pipette may be either inserted in their body or run through their abdominal cavity down in.
		Some reproductive material is borrowed.
		And what it looks like to me from the after effects is that that reproductive material is taken somewhere, a little gene splicing done to splice in some extraterrestrial advanced characteristics and put that, then the reproductive material is put back in the person and they go on to have kids that look very normal except they have these cluster of advanced abilities.
		And I draw the conclusion that there's been some genetic engineering going on and that these kids are hybrid because not only are these characteristics enduring, but it appears that the characteristics get handed down from one generation to another.
		So it looks like it's kind of permanently enshrined in the genome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Doctor, if all you say is so, then this is an invasion.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a term.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a word.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		What I see going on is a transformation.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		That's another word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess if you'd leave it to be benign, you'd be more likely to use that word.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, not only benign, but I would say necessary.
		The way the human race has been going in its track record has made many thoughtful people get appalled.
		We're on a track, speaking globally, where the human race may either blow itself up or poison itself either by weapons of mass destruction or by destruction of the environment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I quite agree.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		You know, and this track cannot go forward.
		I would say, if we may borrow a phrase from the United Negro College Fund, the star visitors take the point of view that a planet is a terrible thing to waste and they hate to see the human race go down that path.
		And they're here as a kind of mass Peace Corps.
		I don't think you would say a team of Peace Corps going into countries and invasion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, like a galactic colour.
		Like a galactic peace corps.
		We're at the bottom of the hour, Doctor.
		Hold on.
		You know, if it's really going on, then I certainly hope that's true.
		but you know i read david jacobs and i talked to people like david i worry Nothing hard to forever lie at you that dreams of bad dreams.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This song really fits.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be me, with me this evening, Dr. Richard Borland.
		And we're talking about star children.
		And we're talking about why they're here.
		We're going to talk about what the motive is of those who are putting them here might be.
		And that motive, as the doctor suggested, might be right in front of our eyes.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you objectively look around you and you look at the North Pole and the South Pole melting, the North Pole is virtually two-thirds melted.
		The South Pole is caving.
		I mean, it's just incredible what's going on.
		It's actually frightening.
		And then you get things like this from the journal Nature, the story that just broke over the weekend about climate change extinction, talking about within 50 years, 25% of all animals and plants being gone from the planet.
		Then, yes, objectively, we're not in good shape right now, Doctor.
		That's true.
		And you think that their intention is a benign one?
		That they're trying to help us with this?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And as long as we're blowing people's minds, let's finish the job here.
		I want to put this in a little historical perspective because the typical take on the Star Visitor phenomenon is that, you know, one of their ships wandered around, crashed in 1947, and they've been coming back ever since.
		This is a very telescope kind of vision of what contact between the nations out there and Earth has been like over time.
		The indigenous peoples all over the earth hold in their oral traditions origin from the stars and the star people.
		And the star people say that same thing to people that they meet with currently in the last 50 years.
		The indications are also from anthropology that there is discontinuity in the evolution picture of primates to man, the missing link problem, if you will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Based on all this information, the picture that emerges is that the, and from things like the Sumerian tablets that Zachariah Sitchin has translated, that the visitors came here millennia ago and far from the Star Kids being their first bit of genetic engineering, the entire human race is their first bit of genetic engineering on Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that to be so?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		That approximately 275,000 years ago, the mitochondrial research done by geneticists tracing back all humans alive today to a common maternal ancestor,
		taken about 275,000 years ago to a common woman mother, if you will, in Africa from which we're all descended.
		There is no clear predecessor for Homo sapiens.
		Neanderthal is not our predecessor, even though there were some Neanderthals hulking around in those days.
		And certainly Lucy and some of the other more primitive primates do not look anything like Homo sapiens.
		We essentially emerged without an immediate predecessor species about that time.
		And then the anthropologists, archaeologists tell us that there was another kind of sudden uptick in human development about 130,000 years ago when Homo sapiens became Homo sapiens sapiens, much less of a primitive kind of forehead, a larger brain case, and looking very much like we look today.
		And I would argue that that represented a second phase of bioengineering, genetic engineering, gene splicing by the visitors at that point when they saw that the earlier model was still pretty primitive.
		What is going on now to jump forward from 130,000 years ago to the present time is that Homo sapiens sapiens was a pretty good model.
		We've come up from the Stone Age.
		We've done art, technology, language, culture, music, etc.
		There's much good to be said about the human achievement to this point, but there are also some distressing features such as you've alluded to and I have.
		There's still too much territoriality, warlike tendencies.
		In the old days, we settled arguments by putting a stone axe on the forehead of the other guy.
		Now we do it with weapons of mass destruction.
		I'm not sure that's a huge improvement in human functioning.
		And it is pretty evident from what Star Visitors told people and from looking at the pattern of things that they decided we need yet another upgrade from AOL 1 to AOL 9.0, if you will.
		And so over first, you know, several decades back, some new model came in.
		But in my research into the phenomenon, around the end of the 80s, they started pouring in.
		And now there's an avalanche of these new-type humans coming in, star kids, if you will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you, Doctor, never have moments where you get concerned about people like David Jacobs and the things they say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, that you bought into this, but you could possibly be wrong regarding the ultimate motivation.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		No.
		David Jacobs is an historian.
		He's really not, he doesn't have any behavioral science background.
		He's not a psychologist, a psychiatrist.
		I would argue that the only evidence we have of star visitor contact is what people who they've contacted say.
		And the proper experts to be dealing with people who've been contacted are the behavioral science professionals, psychologists that work with people can tell truth from falsehood, mental illness and emotional disturbance from reality, and are professionally trained enough not to be amateurs in hypnosis, not to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, even occasionally the experts are fooled.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		That's much less likely than people that have no training at all.
		And within all the behavioral science community, and by that I include the many hundreds of people in the Academy of Clinical Close Encounter Therapists and John Mack's Program for Extraordinary Experience Research.
		These aren't just a handful of therapists and psychologists, psychotherapists, so forth, but these are hundreds of folks in a number of places in the world who have a consensus on what this is about.
		So this is not just my prejudice or Leo Sprinkles or John Macs.
		This is hundreds of people who've got a consensus about what this is about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		That's very true.
		But again, you know, we only know so much about this, and it may well be that somebody who is our manipulator or a group that would be our manipulators could have motives that we don't yet fully understand.
		That has to be allowed for as at least a possibility.
		For example, we do seem to be a really neat planet.
		When you look back on planet Earth, it does seem unlike so many others, really green, lots of good oxygen, still, no matter what we've done, lots of nice water and minerals, and it's a pretty decent place compared to most of what you see out there, and maybe it's prized real estate.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that's, with all due respect, a kind of an Earth-centered viewpoint.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		True.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		There are billions and billions of stars out there with planets revolving around them.
		And the idea that Earth is a rare, unique is something not held any longer by the astronomical community.
		Furthermore, the star visitors have the kind of technology to conform planets to livable conditions even when they're not currently found that way, as is currently going on with Mars.
		Even in the last several decades, Mars is starting to develop atmosphere and thicken up and other changes developing life patterns, seasonally that in earlier decades astronomers did not see happening on there.
		The fading and coming of green with the seasons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Since you mentioned Mars, you know, it's quite something right now with the lander there and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		do you think there once was uh...
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		some sort of civilization on mars in a day when it had a thick atmosphere and lots of water flowing on the surface and all the rest of it would that be your It's artificial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		But the presence of life on there is contemporaneous.
		It's not dusty and eons ago.
		They're actively at work up there changing Mars to make it more inhabitable, thickening up atmosphere and so forth.
		And you've got to marvel at the kind of people who have the technology to take on a whole planet and change its ecosystems to greater livability.
		And the point I was leading to on all of that is the kind of paranoid, if you'll pardon my expression, a scenario that sees them as evil, mean invaders is ridiculous on two counts.
		Number one, they were here before we were, and they bioengineered us.
		It doesn't make any sense to think of them as invaders.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose not.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		And then number two, not only do they have access to the millions of habitable planets out there, but they have the technology to take a marginal planet and tighten up the atmosphere to where it's breathable and has enough pressure to hold down liquid water on the surface.
		In other words, create conditions for life.
		So it's not like they're got a can with a bunch of pencils in their hand coming here saying, pretty pleased, can we have some of your real estate?
		That's just too earthbound and narrow a view of what's going on out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		well right if they were arm our fathers if they bioengineered us in the first place and have been guiding us since uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		with changes what about That's a long way ahead of us.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's say they're the handmaidens of creation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The handmaidens of creation.
		Well, okay.
		That may be safer.
unidentified		Anyway, why haven't they done a better job?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we do seem to be going down a track right now that's just way out of control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So their control has been pretty loose at best.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, see, well, again, the Jacobs idea that they're coming here in jack boots to run a prison camp is not the evidence at all.
		They come with a sense of collegiality and respect of one intelligent, conscious, spiritual life form for another, even though they may be ahead of us technologically that they don't Culturally, take the point of view that therefore that entitles them to take over and declare martial law and kick us in the butt and run the place.
		They clearly could do that, but they choose not to because they respect the fact that the indigenous life form, namely humans on this planet, need to find our way.
		And only when things get drastic, as they are getting now, where we're sitting on the, you know, with nukes on the end of intercontinental rockets aimed at each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the very edge of abyss, yes.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		And as you know, the cascade of environmental degradation on Earth is such that the Rio de Janeiro conference, the scientists said, keep up the way you're going, and by 2025, the cascade will be unstoppable.
		So those are emergency conditions, and so they're stepping in and showing up at people's bedrooms at night and saying, we need to have a word here.
		And they're also trying to upgrade the genetics to make us a more peaceable, metaphysically aware, sensitive people that are not going to kill each other or kill off the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's not going so well.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		In other words, the Star Kids and the Star Seeds are not the majority of the population at this point.
		But having worked with them, I would tell you, if those folks were the majority population, we would not have wars.
		We would not have environmental degradation.
		I've seen these kids wince at the thought of pollution going on.
		Some of them, you know, practically have connections if their parents don't recycle cans and glass.
		They are very attuned to the environment.
		And fights in the schoolyard, not only are they not part of them, they're appalled by the whole idea that people would deal with differences by physical force.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the way the world and our country is structured, for example, right now, until they get to be representatives, senators, even into the White House, until they get into power, the way things go around here, there's not going to be a change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of wincing, maybe, but no change.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
		The starseed adults are going to have to become numerous enough and move into positions of power to make a difference.
		I would argue that some of them are already in sort of position, but not out of the closet yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so you see that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see that going on now then?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there are quietly some starseed adults in certain positions of influence in the culture.
		And some of the experiencers who've had encounters are talking up about their encounters, including some celebrities.
		We've had Shirley McLean talk about her encounters, for example, and try to normalize it.
		And Roxanne Barr, I was on her program when she came out of the closet about her own experience when she was doing a program on that for those in the audience who've had experiences.
		And there have been others.
		Many, many stars are willing to say they've seen a UFO and they think this thing is real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		But in terms of people changing fundamentally the value system by which nations and the global society operate, I would agree with you.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		We're not there yet, but I think there are many people in the wings who are ready to step forward at the right moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you look at the timeline, that moment is going to be real quick.
		Doctor, we're at the top of the hour, so take a break and we'll pick it up right there.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		you know i get computer messages as you all know while we go along in the night and bob and have lost north carolina Hey, Bob, you said probably not.
		not the fast-blast of the star child i would guess you really are thinking about it communism where it's just to notice what's going on around you 25% of all the plants and people or at least animals and plants could be born in your lifetime, Bob.
		That's worth noticing.
		To notice that the north pole is melting?
		Well, you know, that's worth noticing either.
		These things, Bob, like our rapid climate change, they're all worth noticing, Bob.
		I don't know that it's communism to notice them.
		I suppose you it is.
		Bob, definitely not a star child.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, Dr. Boylan, Doctor, there's a lot of Bobs out there.
		And, you know, when we look at what's going on objectively in the world right now, and we look at the timeline and the timeline of the apparent star children, star seed situation, it doesn't look like the timeline is fitting.
		It doesn't look like there's going to be movement fast enough to prevent our own extinction.
		It really doesn't look that way.
		Now, they're going to have to speed it up.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, right.
		And you've got some background in the speeding up dynamics in your book, which I found most interesting.
		Personally, and my Native American shaman friends concur that 2012 is not only an interesting date on the Mayan calendar, but pretty much the window by which we need to make changes that's only nine years out.
		Looking at it just from the perspective of the way we normally, time we take to make changes in our society across the board, it doesn't look like even with the avalanche of star kids coming in now that things are going to change fast enough.
		But the wild card in the deck that is rising to the top rapidly is made up of two things, the earth changes and the star visitors' presence coming out in the open.
		Now by earth changes, I'm sure your listeners are all well aware of what that means.
		But if there's some new people tuning in, let me just summarize it by saying this is sort of shorthand for a series of very major global tumults that will shake up society as we know it, already starting to happen, but will get more intense apparently over the next three years is the timeline I've been told.
		We're talking about everything from major earthquakes to tidal waves to volcanoes going off, illnesses getting out there, but also social and political upheavals, wars, famines, pestilence.
		You and your associate writer did a book on the superstorm.
		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's about to be a movie, by the way, called The Day After Tomorrow.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I saw the trailers for that.
		That's quite outstanding.
		It's going to come out next May.
		And that, I think, is based on some NASA or National Oceanic Atmospheric scientist data models using chaos theory and high-grade computer analysis.
		The effects in the Earth are such now that it would take a relatively modest amount of destabilization to cascade some events.
		Well, it's your book.
		You can tell it better than I can.
		But why don't you quickly summarize that just as one example of how things might dramatically change almost overnight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there are any number of ways that that can occur.
		I mean, the Atlantic Current has been destabilizing, and, of course, there could be a sudden change in its temperature with a resulting freezing, for example, of Europe and perhaps even a global superstorm.
		I mean, our weather is obviously undergoing a radical, rapid climate change period.
		And, yeah, there's a lot and socially, I could jump into every one of those fields and did in The Quickening and point toward the global superstorm.
		I mean, it was a logical jump to write about, and it certainly does.
		Both of those books are absolutely representative of where I feel we're going right now.
		And so that really was my question.
		It was about the timeline.
		I just don't see anything challenging this direction for the world right now sufficiently to change its direction at all.
		And there's a lot of bobs out there.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, let me say a word about where I think the starseed and star kid thing fits in with the Earth's changes and the timeline.
		If we were just going linear, meaning using the past to predict the future, I would commit a formal act of despair, as I'm sure you would, and say we ain't going to get there in time.
		But as I say, the wildcards are all of these changes, both in the physical environment and in the social and political environment, that are going to destabilize the earth, both physically and people-wise, in ways that are going to break down institutions.
		People aren't going to, in some cases, be able to get information the way they used to.
		Satellites aren't going to work.
		Power lines are going to be down.
		Some government power centers are not going to be operational and people are going to be more on their own.
		In such an environment, everything is up for change and having to be jury-rigged.
		And what I know we were taught in grad school about crisis is that it's a wonderful opportunity for change since people have to make the changes any way they're ready to look at fresh new ideas.
		And that is where I think the star kids and star seeds, especially the adults, are going to step into the breach and have some powerful new ways of dealing with the situation that people are going to be ready to listen to.
		The other wild card is the star visitor presence coming out in the open.
		We've had a kind of cascade of UFO visibility over the last few years.
		I can remember back 20 years ago when nobody could get a picture of a UFO.
		Their camera would freeze up or their video camera wouldn't work.
		And then after the UFO left, it would work just fine.
		But now people are getting miles of videotape footage of craft all over the world.
		Certainly the experiencers are so numerous now, they have to be in the tens of millions globally.
		And a number of them are bold enough to come forward and tell their experiences in public settings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, by percentage, how many star children or seaeds know fully who they are?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, in my research experience, I would say that most of them know they're not standard human issue.
		They are different.
		They're not general issue.
		Some of them have not yet woken up to why they're different, and that's why we have these Star Kid and Star Seed Adult workshops for these folks to help them understand why they're different, their abilities, what they're here for.
		But most of them have a sense that they're not like the rest of humans, and many of them are aware of contacts from the visitors and deduce that there is something about that that is shaping them to be different.
		Some of them, of course, are quite crystal clear about who they are, where they came from, and why they're here and what their mission is.
		And most are kind of in the middle.
		They have some inklings, but they're still kind of fuzzy about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Earlier, you mentioned Dr. Sitchin, Zachary Sitchin, rather, and his work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you, for the most part, buy into it?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the overarching theme that the Sumerians have a historical record of contact from the stars, that they learned from star visitors, that they were bioengineered, using contemporary terms, fashioned, if you will, and that they got their culture from them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the aspect that we were designed specifically to be virtual slaves, to mine gold?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the problem with Sumerian literature and ancient Middle East literature in general, and I took some courses in that when I was in seminary, is that those cultures, when they talked about old times,
		took a lot of literary license and took a few basic facts and built interesting and colorful stories that would stick in the mind so that they could be passed down mouth to mouth over thousands of years and not be forgotten.
		You cannot read the Sumerian chronicles of their origin like it's the New York Times newspaper.
		It is much more colorful, flavored up, changed around for dramatics, and fitting within the cultural lens of the people of those times, their culture was...
		Well, I'm saying it's not at all clear to what degree some of the aspects of the details of that chronicle of the interaction between the visitors and the proto-humans was,
		as Sitchin is laying out the literal translation of it, but I'm saying that that is not the same as a history book.
		It is a literary, colorful storytelling.
		It may be, for example, that the Star Visitor group that was involved with the Sumerians did that first iteration of Homo sapiens, still pretty primitive, and about all they were good for was heavy lifting.
		They weren't very bright, and this is about 275,000 years ago.
		And so if they helped out in hauling stuff out of the mines, whatever.
		Then after allowing evolution to go on for a while, being clear that they needed an upgrading about 130,000 years ago, they did a genetic improvement to Homo sapiens sapiens, modern humans, and at that point the intelligence level was such that it would not be appropriate to see them as a beast of burden type animal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you understand why I asked you that question, because we're constantly looking to their, if they are our designers, their motivation.
		And if it is benign, it's benign.
		But if it's, you know, if we were slaves and it perhaps was not at that time as benign as we would have liked it to have been.
		Or maybe, as you're suggesting, that's literary license in the way the story came forward.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there's certainly a lot of literary coloration in the story.
		And knowing the way literature in that time is written and the cultural lens it's written from, I think we have to approach the high details with caution.
		That was a very vertical society.
		The king, strongman, ruled.
		Everybody else was essentially higher or lesser grades of serfs or slaves.
		That's how they saw society.
		And any story of interaction in their history is going to be told with that kind of perspective.
		In anthropology, we call that culture-bound thinking.
		It's hard to see reality outside of your own culture you're inside of.
		So I think the caution signals are up about taking every last detail as literal fact.
		I think the primitiveness of Homo sapiens versus the higher intelligence and sophistication of Homo sapiens sapiens, modern man, suggests that the earlier version was less capable and may have needed more direction to find its place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In your research, at some point you got diverted enough to go out actually yourself to Area 51?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that correct?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've been out there a number of times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not far from my house, as you know.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, good old Peron.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what did you see there?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the first time I went by there, I really feel it was guided by timing.
		I happened upon some test flights of anti-gravity craft.
		This was April 1992.
		And I approached there in the afternoon and the good old Wackenhead guards were not pleased by my approach.
		And my right, excuse me, my rear left tire got shot out.
		So I had to limp back into the highway and do a tire change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They shot your tire out.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there were two of them, and when I drove by, my tire explosively decompressed, and it was not a rock.
		This was flat desert, and this was not something I ran over.
		This is a sidewall rupture with violent decompression.
		I draw the inference.
		That's what they did.
		The Tumbleweed didn't do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you saw anti-gravity craft.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that night I came back with lights out and pulled back there and used binoculars.
		And I saw, one at a time, five different ships rise vertically out of Area 51 above the ridge line of the Groom Mountain Range.
		These were discoid-shaped craft with a glowing orangish, reddish, goldish kind of ionization feel all the way around them.
		They're very intense glow.
		Sit there hovering, and then after a bit slowly start tracking downrange at a constant altitude, maybe 30 miles an hour, which, as you know, is not a Piper Cut stall speed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, I've seen them myself.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you know how it goes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they're real.
unidentified		Do you believe that?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		These are U.S., by the way, and not extraterrestrial craft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You believe they're U.S. craft?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Using our technology, Doctor?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Made by Northrop Aerospace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With our technology only?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Copycatted from extraterrestrial technology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back engineered.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		And the reason I say that is because after I finished going there and did a loop around the southwest, I came back to northwest of Lancaster, California, up against the Tehachapi Mountain Range,
		where I had been told Northrop has a secret plant in the side of the mountain and staked out and saw the selfsame craft rise above a pad there at 3 in the morning above the Northrop plant and go on a test flight of a very similar character.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I, too, have seen it.
		All right, Doctor, hold tight.
		We'll be right back.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		That's pretty good stuff.
		Anytime you can get professional eyewitness testimony like that.
unidentified		Well, seasons don't feel the reaper.
		No due to wind, the sun, and the rain, we could be that day.
		Come on, baby, don't feel the reaper.
		Baby, take my hand.
		Don't feel the reaper.
		We'll be able to fly.
		Don't feel the reaper.
		Baby, I'm no man.
		Fly to the shadow.
		There's no way you'll come to me.
		Baby, you'll see.
		We love you, baby.
		We're gonna love you, too.
		We love you, pretty mama.
		We'll always learn to me.
		We love you, too.
		We're gonna love you, love you.
		We're gonna love you, too.
		We're gonna love you, love you.
		We're gonna love you, too.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and a very deeply credentialed Dr. Richard Boylan.
		He'll be back in a moment.
		He believes we have Star Children basically here to pull it out just in time, right around the end of the mind.
		Calendar would be good, I guess.
		Anyway, stay right where you are.
		We've got a lot more territory to cover.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The phone lines here are ringing with an obvious urgency.
		So I know there are a lot of people who want to speak to Dr. Boylan, and surely we will get to that.
		But boy, we've got a lot of material.
		We really do to cover.
		Dr. Boylan, an eyewitness at Area 51.
		Doctor, I've interviewed Dr. Greer many times, and it's his feeling that we've actually shot, that our military has shot at UFOs.
		And I know you've written the government is violating the Treaty Against Weapons in Space.
		What are we doing?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		I think it's STS-48, that famous videotape that the astronaut shot from space of a bogey, an unidentified flying object out at the edge of Earth's atmosphere.
unidentified		And what...
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a very interesting piece of ice that suddenly does a 90-degree turn and accelerates.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		And what comes up from Earth towards it is a neutral particle beam Star Wars weapon blast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure looks like it.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, those neutral particle beams accelerate at roughly the speed of light, just slightly below with a little bit of Earth's atmosphere flowing, but pretty darn fast.
		In other words, folks, we're talking as fast as radio waves come at you from Art Bell Station.
		And this UFO dodges and misses the bullets coming at the speed of light towards it.
		You've got to figure the technology of these folks that they can detect incoming far enough ahead at the speed of light to make an evasive maneuver and get out of the line of fire.
		This is not a piece of frozen urine from one of the astronauts, I want to assure you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you wouldn't think they'd regard that as a warm welcome or a thank you or anything like that.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		No.
		There are, and I have multiple sources, including Command Sergeant Major Bob Dean and another gentleman who used to work for the Army General, who first headed up the Army Space Command, that we have in orbit right now particle beam weapons, killer lasers, and electromagnetic pulse weapons.
		These are weapons who can emit a swamping, overwhelming force field that will fry any electronics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe that, and that clearly violates the treaty.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we are signatories.
		The U.S. is a signatory, along with most civilized nations, to a treaty saying we will not place weapons in space.
		Well, we signed that treaty, but behind people's backs, we've ignored it, and our military have gone up there and placed orbiting weapon systems in space.
		And they are directed not only to interdict intercontinental ballistic missiles, but also occasionally target incoming star visitor vessels.
		And some have been shot down.
		Leah Haley, who I believe you certainly know and may have had on your program earlier, is an eyewitness to a shoot-down because she was on board an extraterrestrial craft when it was shot down near Gulf Breeze, Florida in the panhandle.
		And to refresh our listeners' memory, she was on board with some other humans who were having an encounter with the visitors when a portable electromagnetic cannon was placed near the beach.
		And the military knew ahead of time, they'd been reconnaissancing, I guess, these experiencers who had repeated visits, and they knew when the visitors were coming for them and had a cannon along the line of path of the craft and shot it down.
		It landed hard on the sand.
		Some of the people inside were injured and some were still okay.
		Leah was one of those okay.
		A offshore Navy vessel pulled up.
		I forget it was Navy SEALs or Delta Force came out, came up, surrounded the craft, pulled Leah and some other humans and the star visitors out of there, put them aboard a craft ship, took them out to the main vessel out there on the sea, and away they went.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When that happens to the United States, Doctor, we call it an act of war.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And part of the reason I think Jacobs and the crowd that look paranoially at the visitors as an invasion force, they've had ever so many of these provocations that if it were another Earth nation would say, well, you can't do that to us.
		That's an act of war.
		But these people turn the other cheek repeatedly because, like I say, they're here as a Peace Corps to try and get us to straighten up and fly right.
		And they're hardly wanting to add to the violence and aggression going on.
		They see plenty enough of that going on on Earth without any outside help.
		And so we do have this stuff both on Earth, stationed on Earth pointing upward, and in space pointing down and out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you believe their attitude to be one of turn the other cheek?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they've been fired on so many times and they use their technology to evade.
		The one recorded incident, I think, of a military jet going down was decades earlier.
		I think it was an Iranian Air Force plane, engaged a UFO, did lock-on with radar lock-on and rockets ready to go.
		And the visitors on board that craft decided to deal with the F-16 not by shooting it down, but by, I guess they swamped its electronics so everything died on the plane.
		Of course, modern jets, once the electronics don't work, they're hardly airworthy.
		They just dropped pretty fast.
		And so that one went down.
		I think they've learned since that's not a good nonviolent way to deal with a firing situation.
		Usually they just do a doci-dough and dodge real fast.
		But that's about the only incident I can think of of a, it's not even a shootdown, it's just a nonviolent dealing with a military jet that caused a crash.
		And this is over thousands of engagements of military fighters with UFOs in which they've just gone away or gotten invisible or docey-doed and got out of the line of fire.
		So we're clearly not dealing with a warlike people that are looking for an excuse to blow us out of the water because they've had plenty of those excuses and have not done so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		In the past, you and I have spent a lot of time, and it's an obvious path to take when you talk about there being our creators, to talk of the church and talk of God and talk of the Bible.
		But instead of going down that road tonight, since we've been down it, there have been statements made by Monsignor Balducci, and I understand you may have more on that.
		He kind of rocked the Vatican world, didn't he?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		That would be a mild statement, yes.
		And furthermore, he's kind of hanging out there, and may I say, the Pope is letting him hang out there, kind of by himself.
		There's not a whole lot of other clergy over in Rome that are going out public with this, but he has.
		I had the honor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You might say he's twisting in the Vatican breeze.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that would not be an unfair characterization of it all.
		I had the pleasure of going over there December of 2002 and meeting with Monsignor Valducci, and he graciously took us upstairs to his house, and he lives within very easy eyeshot of the Vatican.
		And we had a very long evening of discussion.
		He was just finishing a paper he was writing on UFOs and the star visitors, how this is consistent with church teachings.
		It doesn't represent any problem for the church.
		It's not forbidden by the Bible or anything else.
		It's consistent with what, in fact, he'd spent a lot of time saying that the early church fathers, teachers and bishops and theologians, said that there is life out there and that that's not a problem, that God made all the people on all the planets.
		And if I may be colloquial, no big deal, you know, take a deep breath and live with it.
		This is not the kind of stuff you hear from your Sunday pulpit, but it is what Monsignor is being allowed to say in Italy.
		And may I say that the big man, Pope John Paul II, even on one occasion squeaked out a comment of his own.
		He was asked during an audience by one of the people there, Holy Father, but what about the extraterrestrials?
		And his cryptic answer was, we have to remember they are God's children too.
		He didn't say what extraterrestrials or, you know, they are a Satan.
		He just said, we have to remember they're God's children too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you recall the occasion upon which he said that?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		It was during an audience.
		It was several years ago, maybe five or six now.
		don't have the uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		the town to come back that affirmatively with uh...
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		with that's a long But while Balducci says, you know, just for those of our audience who aren't 100% up on Balducci, he says they're not demonic.
		People who report them are not crazy.
		These encounters deserve to be studied carefully.
		These visitors are obviously more advanced than humans.
		Actually, he personally kind of puts them halfway between humans and angels, some of them in their spiritual development.
		But the Pope, at least, while he doesn't go public and say, Baldici's right, he's my man, he at least, when cornered himself says, we have to remember they're God's children too, which is a statement of affirmation and not denial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly is.
		It certainly is.
		All right.
		I'm going to turn a question around on you here.
		We have these written questions for the show, folks, and sometimes I follow them, more times I don't.
		But this one's kind of interesting.
		Questions I might ask, you know, of Dr. Boylan.
		You're reported to have said that some of the famous UFO investigators out there are not qualified to make statements they make about abductions.
		What do you mean by that?
		And who are some of these investigators you feel are unqualified?
		Now, I'm not going to ask that.
		Instead, I'm going to ask you, there is, in ufology and in your field, our field, I guess, in general, there is more fighting than goes on generally in an NFL Sunday football game.
		I mean, it just is, it's rough out there.
		Ufology is small anyway, and in its ranks, they're ripping each other to shreds.
		What's going on?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, several things.
		And I would speak for a few naive people in the audience because you know this art.
		First of all, it's no accident that there's a lot of turmoil.
		Billions of dollars are being spent to make sure that there's plenty of turmoil in this field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you think it's orchestrated?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		some of it not only the disinformation boys active but they They go up to you and say, do you know what that other guy just said about you?
		I think you should know this.
		And then he goes up to the other person and says, you know what Boylan said about you?
		I think you should know this.
		You know, they play the let's you and him fight game.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		And they do that in print.
		You know, they I've had them ask me questions on email and then take it out of context and shove it in the other person's face and say, he's saying dirt about you, hoping that they'll say something bad back about me and that, you know, you've been involved in more than your share of these little brawls.
		Yeah.
		Also, I mean, there's that stuff going on, and that's your tax dollars at work.
		Then, of course, there's human nature.
		You remember that, Art.
		And ego, pettiness, competition tendencies exist in the UFO field like they exist in the rest of human society.
		Plus, you've got what I think John Mack has described very well, and I certainly agree with him.
		With the UFO subject, we have a subject of cosmic importance, and the star visitor contact with humanity, a subject of transcendent importance.
		If this stuff is true, it is the biggest story that has ever been told.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Agreed.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		You get Joe Sixpack out there, who went to a MUFON meeting and got a card.
		Now he's a UFO expert.
		You know, just using an illustration here, comes to a meeting and he has his own personal opinions and somebody else says something different and he feels this subject is too important to let this other jerk get away with his ignorance and so he feels the need to get up and verbally beat him up.
		This kind of stuff goes on.
		So between the orchestrated deliberate provocation stuff that the Cabal boys, the UFO cover-up organization operatives are doing, there's plenty enough human nature.
		Given the importance of this subject, people tend to get grandiose and assume that it's important, therefore I'm important if I talk about it, therefore nobody else better get in my way.
		And you've got the recipe for a Donnybrook.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, they go on so frequently that ufology already having a pretty tough time getting taken seriously has even yet more problems.
		I mean, how much do you attribute to an orchestration by people with money?
		How much of it is that?
		And if that were to stop, what percentage of the fighting would stop?
		Same question, I guess.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, if we took all the disinformation away and what people like Dr. Michael Wolf and the National Security Council Subcommittee for Management of the UFO matter, if the level of information they know were out there in public with no lies, deceit, denials, and distortion, just 100% out there as the fact base, society would be pretty much at one because we'd all be starting from the same page.
		Then we'd just have some discussion about how that affects you and me and the person down the street, but we would not have so much differences.
		There would still be, given the cosmic importance of this issue, people taking their positions.
		But I think a whole lot of the Donny Brook would settle down.
		What we need is leadership that is not being sabotaged.
		There are, as you know, are certain people in this field who stand above others with credibility, dignity, and consistent, clear, non-combative statements of position.
		Somebody like Bob Dean comes to mind.
		If, you know, we didn't have the disinformation, the disruption boys, the natural cream would rise to the top, and people could take their cues from such folks, and it would be, well, not perfect, a better world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right, Doctor.
		Hold on.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		When we come back, we'll try and go to the phones, get some phone calls.
		Very pragmatic.
		You know the numbers, so that's where we're headed.
		Get on board.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell.
		There's still time to get Zabel and Father Malick.
		Zabel and Father Malick Be inside the sound, the smell or touch, the something inside that we need so much.
		The sight of a touch or the scent of the sand, or the strength of an oak root deep in the ground.
		The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up from tarmac to the sun again.
		Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing To lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing And all these things in our memory's heart And they used them to come to us to find Yeah!
		Find my soul, take this place On this trip, just for me Find, take a break Find my place, up my seat, it's for free Wanna take a ride?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		According to a very well-credentialed Dr. Richard Boylan, baby, we are on a ride right now.
		The ride's well underway.
		All you've got to do is look very carefully, and it's really all around us.
unidentified		All you've got to do is look very carefully, and it's really all around us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just before we proceed with a little item and then phone lines, phone calls, all of you, I do want to mention that Dr. Boylan has a website, which we have a link for, of course, CoastCozan.com, would take you to www.drboyland, that's B-O-Y-L-A-N.com.
		Dr.Boylan.com.
		D-R-B-O-Y-L-A-N.com.
		And he also has three books, Close Extra Terrestrial Encounters, Labor Journey to the Stars and Project Epiphany.
		Now, Doctor, which is your latest, Project Epiphany?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, as a whole book out, Project Epiphany is the latest, but I have updated Labor Journey to the Stars to a 2003 edition.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		So with the updates, the material in there is a little fresher than Project Epiphany.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if somebody listening for the first time tonight is fascinated, and many are, by what you've been saying, and they want to do more reading, where would you suggest they start?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think Labored Journey to the Stars is the comprehensive briefing book that will get you from zero to 65 miles an hour in the world of UFO reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Labored Journey to the Stars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be available on Amazon.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that one is self-published, so I am the principal source for that one.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		The other two are commercially published.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What in how?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On your website, I guess.
unidentified		Yeah, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		You can go to the website, and it'll say one of the links there says Dr. Boyland's books.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Just go there and it'll tell you just how to order.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any operators standing by at this hour, frothing at the mouth, waiting to take orders?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		No, I think an email would be the best, or a call in the morning would be the best way to get the order going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of journeys to the stars, our president, coming up probably on Wednesday, is said by the Associate Press and everybody else to be about to make a proposal.
		It sounds like he's going to propose a manned base on the moon.
		That's no small undertaking.
		And then an eventual trip to Mars and beyond, even to the asteroids, they say, from the moon where it would be easier.
		And that is said to be what the president is going to say.
		We don't know that for sure, but it sure looks that way.
		What do you make of that?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, in my never-ending search to push the envelope a little bit, I would say that is A, true and B, a cover story.
		And the reason I say it's a cover story is that I've been informed by Dr. Wolf and others, Bob Dean's alluded to it too, that we already have a tiny station on the moon and a very minuscule forward observation post on Mars.
		And people say, what do you mean?
		Apollo 17 was the last thing we sent up to the moon?
		No, it is not.
		We have not only anti-gravity disks that hover above Area 51 and other places, but we have larger anti-gravity craft in our secret military fleet that are spacefaring have gone out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But gee, Doctor, that would make the public space program a sham.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would mean that we've killed astronauts with no cause other than it's an elaborate cover program, too.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Cape Canaveral, Cape Kennedy is a cover program.
		Those rockets that blast off with extremely explosive chemicals pushing them is 1945 technology.
		You would think it's a bit curious that we haven't moved ahead in the last 55 years from that.
		Well, officially at Cape Canaveral, we haven't moved ahead.
		Unofficially, behind the scenes, at Area 51 in King Mountain, Utah and some other places, we have a fleet of a variety of size anti-gravity craft, some of which have gone out to the moon and Mars and also service an undeclared space station up in space that has nothing to do with the current one being built.
		It's been up there for three decades.
		There's a whole program of secret military astronauts trained at a facility next to, but not part of, the Air Force Academy at Colorado Springs.
		And I've detected where that is there, done a little recon.
		Oh.
		And they staff flights that have gone out of Vandenberg Air Force Base and Beale Air Force Base in Northern California.
		Now they tend to generate out of the King Mountain facility in Utah and go up into space.
		Not all of them go to space.
		Some of them do work on Earth out in high altitude flights, recon, and occasionally military interdiction stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Doctor, there are many who feel it was...
		I remember watching it on TV.
		As did I. And we haven't gone back.
		Man hasn't gone back to the moon or Mars or anywhere else.
		We have not gone anywhere since.
		And to many, including me, that is really suspicious.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		You know, all we're allowed to do is go up to the edge of orbit in the atmosphere and float around up there and then come down.
		You know, it reminds me of a kid that's been told to stay in his room after he wandered too far down the block.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you believe that's, in essence, what we have been told?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		That the star visitors are extremely unhappy with the prospect of some of the military wanting to take nukes into space.
		And this whole John Wayne gunslinger mentality of space is the next frontier and launch out there with our militarized craft and prepared to fire at anything that gets in our way.
unidentified		That is not the etiquette of space.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		And they've made it quite clear that until we develop our etiquette, we're not welcome out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then we're being treated by the star visitors much as the Chinese treat SARS.
unidentified		Elaborate that a bit, if you would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, we're quarantined.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, oh.
		Yes.
		Yes, there's a famous astronomer and ufologist to a degree.
		His name is starting to slip my mind here.
		He's an Oregon atmospheric science professor, James, last name's escaping me at the moment, Dr. James X, let's say, who had a published paper in an astronomical peer-reviewed journal making that very point that it appears from all signs that we are under space quarantine until we clean up our act and fly right.
		And I totally agree with that.
		Furthermore, a number of the star visitors have told humans that they've had encounters with that.
		It's not so much the cop stuff.
		If you can't get them out there, they're good.
		It's more in terms of, gee, we wish you would change your attitudes.
		We'd love to have you come out there as a peaceable, open-minded people and engage with us, but not with this shoot first and ask questions later attitude we seem to see in your military at this point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you would have to view us currently, I guess objectively, you know, if you were standing back, America, that is when I say us, as very rather warlike people, actually.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think, you know, when you get outside the U.S. press and read some of the world press about what they think of America's behavior, it needs to be a long planet to get that perspective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's true.
		People need to read foreign publications.
		It's easier to do with the internet.
		You need to listen to shortwave and shortwave news broadcasts and that kind of thing.
		And the picture of America is so different than the one projected internally.
		And you really can't say that's buller dash until you've tried it yourself, folks.
		So do a little international listening and see what you come up with.
		Doctor, we've got to go to the phones.
		I've got a lot of people waiting.
		Oh, yeah.
		So let's see what we get.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Richard Boylan.
		Hello.
unidentified		Is this me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, only you surely know that, but it sounds like you.
unidentified		Okay.
		My name is Angelique from Utah.
		And I have a couple comments that I'd like to just sit at you guys and see how you guys feel about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And then about star babies.
		And then Mr. Bell, if you'd allow me, I have a comment about the moon or a question about the moon.
		Okay.
		First of all, I would like to kind of validate Mr. Bell's feelings that star people, some of them could be ready to harm us.
		There could be more than one alien race with different motives, per se, the Pleiadians versus the Syrians.
		Also, I know you didn't really want to dip into the whole biblical aspect, but Genesis 2, the sons of God breeding with the daughters of man, does give evidence of hybrids, or possible evidence, with the Nephilims.
		Also, this has to do with the secret societies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, slow up a second.
		Dr. Boylan, she's got a good point.
		Many ufologists, even some, well, credentialed ones, believe there Are many different races, and I've heard many different numbers, as I'm sure you have as well, and that they may not all have the benign intentions that you attribute to them.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are a number of races in contact with Earth.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		My guesstimate would be perhaps 100.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		They'd all have the right agenda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All with the same agenda, Doctor?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, I'll tell you what the National Security Council's information is, that there are four federations made up of all these different folks who've kind of clustered each into federations, and there's four of those.
		And they're all working in concert with each other to coordinate this contact.
		Some are doing more scientific investigations.
		Some are doing the people work.
		Some are keeping an overview on our activity at the edge of space and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But mostly they are.
		That's yes.
		You're saying they are.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		They're peaceable.
		And further, they are dedicated to making sure that the occasional rogue operator out there that tries to sneak in and pull their stuff off is stopped and interdicted.
		They don't have 100% success rate, but they have a pretty good success rate.
		And furthermore, we're talking individual, occasional individuals, not whole invasion races.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But for the first time, I just heard you acknowledge occasional rogue operator.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, self-serving.
		Okay.
		But very few compared to the good guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		About the same percentage as my research with 400 experiencers and listening to Dr. Sprinkle and Dr. Mack have gotten.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		I would estimate it's about the same percentage as in the human race where we have about 1% sociopaths in the population.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At least.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		And I would say maybe 1% rogue operators out there.
unidentified		Wouldn't you agree, Doctor, that a cosmic psychopath could be potentially harmful to a lot of people on Earth versus a human psychopath?
		And I'm not disagreeing with you that there's probably very good aliens or angels, synonymous, that have humanity in their hearts for us.
		But I do believe what Dr. Bell is saying, that the possibility of some of them being harmful or threatening to us, especially not even allowing us to know that we are possibly being engineered with star children.
		There's plenty of us, including myself, call me crazy, that would probably be willing to be part of the experiment.
		And I know we don't tell dogs we're taking them to the vet, but at the same time, I think that some of us should be allowed to know.
		And I do have a couple more statements, if that's okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're getting close to the end here.
		Okay.
		Doctor, anything on that?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the rogue operator could obviously be unhelpful.
		And with things like telepathic communication, a person might be caught off guard having somebody jar them when they're not even sure where it's coming from.
		The reason I hate to talk about this is first there's such an infinitesimal tiny sliver of a fraction of a percent of the whole phenomenon.
		And the disinformation boys run with this theme as though that was most of who's in play with Earth.
		And that is a total misrepresentation of what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
		And you've represented what I think you believe quite well.
		Young lady, anything else?
unidentified		Yeah, just a few things.
		Some of the rumored aspects, I didn't really hear traits of the star children.
		And some of them that I've been rumored to have heard are that they have extreme difference of body temperature, like holding at 96.5, which is rare, larger eyes like the grave, smaller mouth, advanced motor skills as children but late talkers.
		We've had the highest incidence of diagnosis in history for autism.
		And then they end up being perfectly normal, possibly hinting to telepathic talk between these children or that they might assume that we can from birth and then they come into their earthly state of knowing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it there for a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, is that a fair description at all of some of the qualities of the star children?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Some of them, yes.
		There are a lot of them.
		I've enumerated 54 characteristics, and if some of our listeners would like to see all 54, since we're not going to have the time tonight to get to them, they can go to the star kid identification questionnaire on my website and look at all 54 characteristics.
		What I found is, yes, indeed, many of the star kids and adult star seeds have body temperature that's a degree or two lower than normal.
		Instead of the 98.6 on the thermometer, well, like I read at 96.8 and others read in the 97s and 96s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I read even a little lower than you do.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, my friend, that tells me something about you.
		And by the way, I doused your photo.
		You know, people know about these dousing rods.
		Everybody throws a bioelectric field out, and what I found is the fields have flavor to them.
		In other words, the field of a bad guy is different than the field of a good guy.
		And Art, you come out on the good guy side of the equation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do I?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you do, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's kind of neat to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can get that from a photograph.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		I've learned that recently.
		You know, I've done it with live people, and I've watched the way the rods behave.
		And I've learned it works with photographs.
		And there's the good guy and the bad guy profile and what the rods do, people live in front of you and in the photographs as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the implication is then that That energy is able to be captured by the photographic process.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you know, the shamans, the so-called primitive peoples, North American Indians, African tribes, so forth, the shamans know that you have to be careful with photographic images because they're so like the way the person looks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		People say, well, that's just superstition.
		Oh, no American native can in a photograph.
		It shouldn't matter at all.
		Well, they say, no, there's something of the energy of the person there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Native Americans thought that you were stealing their soul.
		We've got a break here at the bottom of the hour.
		Indeed.
		They would go berserk sometimes when you would take their photograph, and they would feel that you had actually captured their soul.
		So perhaps perhaps they know something that we're just finding out.
		What do you think?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I thought this was appropriate because when you talk to Native Americans, and oh, baby, I have, I've had the Hopi elders on the show to the point where we had to have translations as we did the program.
		And if you listen carefully to what they say, and you, I should crank that program out sometime and at least replay part of it.
		Because it tracks right down the line, earth-changing-wise, and, well, I don't know, with regard to our history and who's been here before, right down the line with what Dr. Boylan's saying.
		And I mean, baby, right down the line.
		We'll get that out, give you a chance to listen to the Hopi Elders one of these days.
		doctor richard boylan is my guest and he'll be right back Dr. Boylan, there's a cyclone of talk going on in the paranormal community and some of the scientific community right now about Yellowstone.
		It's all over the community.
		What do you know, if anything, about Yellowstone and what might be going on?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is increasing geothermal activity underneath Yellowstone.
		Until recently, I didn't appreciate, you know, you can get educated on the internet.
		The Yellowstone, besides being a very pretty national park, is a super volcano caldera, basically.
		The remnants of a volcano that is kind of eroded down, so it's not obvious.
		You don't go in there and see a typical cone-shaped volcanic mound.
		It erupted in the past and kind of blew off the top.
		The reason there's so many hot springs there is that basically the magma, the hot rock melted under the Earth's crust, is very close to the surface, as you might expect in a historical volcano.
		And when water percolates down through the rock and hits that, up comes these geysers that are all over the place there.
		Recent indications are that the magma is on the move back towards the surface.
		When magma hits the surface, we know that as lava and eruptions.
		The waters have gotten warmer in some of the bodies of water in the park.
		The geysers are getting irregular.
		Sometimes the ground itself is hot enough that it's uncomfortable to walk on.
		There are a number of indicators that it is getting the magma is getting closer to the surface, and this is typically the sign that a breakthrough is in the offing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be catastrophic.
		People, I don't think, generally do understand how catastrophic it potentially could be.
		Now, have Native American shaman told you that this is foretold?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the scenario of a lot of volcanoes going off is certainly foretold.
		And my chief contact, Standing Elk, now known as Golden Eagle, the Dakota Sioux star altar keeper, got some information that some volcanic activity would be happening in the very near future.
		And we have to understand that Yellowstone is not just your garden variety volcano, it's one of these super volcanoes.
		In other words, when it corks off, it's going to make Mount St. Helens look like a hiccup.
		It is truly catastrophic in scale.
		When these super volcanoes go off, they throw so much material into the atmosphere that you get a super cooling effect.
		So much sunlight gets blocked out, and this stuff carries downwind and to a lesser degree around the globe.
		It has been estimated that when Yellowstone cooks off, it will change the climate in that part of the United States.
		It will make certain areas uninhabitable.
		There will be so much ash that farming and other activities won't be able to be done in downwind of there.
		And we're not talking yards.
		We're talking apparently several states and maybe a larger swath than that.
		There could be at least temporary climate change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're talking about changes of the magnitude that we were discussing earlier that would begin to bring about this acceleration of change to catch up.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		We would have change on the order that FEMA could not handle it.
		And the beginning of breakdown of regular, expectable society in that part of the American West would not happen.
		You would have things like economic collapse, farming and ranching in that area not able to go forward any longer, massive loss of probably some power generating facilities in that area.
		The ash could bring down airliners and certainly make it difficult to fly in that general area, etc.
		We're talking about major disruption and likely to go on for years, not just weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they say soon.
		Yeah.
		Do they give you any sense of the magnitude?
		You said they indicated there would be volcanic activity there soon.
		Was it of the kind of magnitude you just described?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're talking in general about volcanism in the world and particularly in North America, which is where these native peoples live, that will be distinctly noticeable.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		You know, different tribes get different indications about different mountain volcanic regions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, but what I'm getting to is not necessarily the big one, but activity.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but enough, on a scale enough that it will disrupt ordinary life in that region, not just be an inconvenience for a week or some village having to dodge lava.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about regional level scale disruption and for a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any idea what it would be like, say, where I'm located?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know the volcanism story around Perunk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wasn't thinking so much of immediate lava, but I mean the fallout, we're not that far.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		But you tend to be upwind, I think, of Yellowstone in general.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sounds positive.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		I think the thing you've got to worry about more, and so do I, is the tectonic plate activity where the Pacific and North American plates meet.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		When the big ones happen along the California, Oregon, Washington coastline or inland a little bit, you'll probably feel it over at Perump, even though the epicenter may be closer to the San Andreas Fault or some of the other coastal faults.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like I might make it.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think you'll make it, but I would keep your surfboard, Daddy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Dr. Richard Boylan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		You're scaring me.
		I'm in Vancouver, Washington.
		Uh-huh.
		Doctor, I'm curious to know how we communicate with the average alien, and is that telepathically?
		Or, of course, when these star children come here, they've got to learn English, don't they?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the star kids are here already.
		I mean, they're born to a perfectly normal-looking mom and dad, and they look passably human, too.
		Sometimes they have slightly larger heads, and they have some of these ESP abilities and a few other characteristics like lower body temperature, and they put out those orange sodium vapor street lights when they go down the street.
		Sometimes their feel interferes with that light bulb's feel.
		But they pass for, you know, just to eyeball them, they pass for normal in the classroom and on the street.
		Where the kids get to know that they're different is their extreme intelligence, their disinterest in the kind of stuff some kids are into, you know, fights and competitiveness.
		They're concerned for the environment.
		They're globally aware.
		They care very much what's happening halfway around the world, whereas the average kid's worried about when he's going to get his new video game.
		They're thinking big, they're thinking more like adults than kids.
		They just are in a different frame than the average kid, and the average kid picks up on it and says they're weird, they're odd, you know.
		The star kids find It more difficult to fit in and look conventional.
		Some of them have told me they work very hard at trying to play cool and play like the average human so that people won't know they're different, but deep down inside they know they just are put together different and think and feel differently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is that class.
		I mean, I know who you're talking about, Doctor.
		I really do.
		Was for the Rockies?
		You're on the air with Dr. Richard Boylan.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		My question is, when you were talking about the Sumerians and the gold and how, you know, it's a lot of artistic privilege, it made me really curious if you've read any of Lawrence Gardner's work on the monotonical gold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the monotonical elements?
unidentified		Well, the monotonical elements of the platinum group, specifically the gold that was used for, you know, the cancer cures and, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about Ark of the Covenant that far back in the city.
unidentified		Pretty much, yeah.
unidentified		David Hudson rediscovered it down in Arizona.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, I'm aware of that, and there's some indication they think that's the manna of the Old Testament times and some of the material that was used for some of the miracles in biblical ancient times.
unidentified		Right.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		I'm aware of that.
unidentified		I'm getting that for them.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		I respectfully listen to that information, Hudson's and Gardner's, you know, I'm always, as a scientist, looking for the evidence.
		I, of course, read the Bible many times, and it could be that monatomic platinum class metals were the element that has strange and curative properties that were used to do some of these miraculous things.
		But I always look for the evidence, and how do we cinch it that that was indeed what manna was or what was used by some of the ancient biblical folks to work the wonders that were worked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there's not enough evidence of that yet.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		It's not cinched in my book.
		I don't throw it out, but you know, in this field, you have to have a large gray basket.
		You know, there's the white basket, absolute truth, and the black basket, absolute falsehood.
		But the largest basket's gray.
		Like, well, let me think about that, and I'll get back to you when there's a little more evidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Stanton's gray box.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
unidentified		Okay, can I ask you one more fast question?
		Yes.
		Are the grays, you know, the gray beings they call the grays, are they the same as the rest, or are they different than the rest?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are the grays, and what's the function of the grays, Doc?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Well, grays is a loose term.
		The folks from the Zeta reticuli system, Dr. Wolf talks about the fourth and fifth planets having some races.
		It is very clear that the large-headed, almond-eyed, large, dark-eyed folks with the slanted eyes and so forth are a number of races.
		They come in a variety of colors.
		Gray, of course, white, almost off-white, brown, blue, green, orange.
		Some have three fingers, some have four fingers.
		Clearly, we're not talking about a single race, so we're talking about a whole cluster of folks first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There certainly is a fairly typical description of a gray, though.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		But we're talking about lots and lots of varieties, and while skin colors may not be the end of the world, we have a variety of those on Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, many believe that the grays are perhaps a service class, that they may be even designed beings, and their place in the hierarchy is not all that high, and they sort of just do jobs.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		No.
		There are some what we might call robot, bioengineered robots that several of the race is used to do some of the heavy lifting and the scud work.
		But the GRAIS are a very high, you know, the various zeta-reticulin groups are highly evolved, intelligent, spiritual, metaphysically sophisticated folks that are part of the Peace Corps here trying to raise human objectives and functioning.
		And they do a lot of the bioengineering effort to get our genome elevated to a higher ticking level, the Star Kid Starseed thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that sure is what we've been talking about tonight.
		And so that's sort of full circle.
		It's been great to have you here.
		One more time.
		What's generally available on your website?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		A huge amount of information about the star visitors, including a number of intriguing pictures about them that are real, not those monsters you see in the movie or in some lurid magazines, but this is the real deal.
		When you go there, you can see that.
		Descriptions of the various races, what the Native American and other indigenous shamans have to say about the Star Nations Among Us, what some of the church people have to say, lots of UFO information,
		some of my research about bases that aren't supposed to exist but do in the southwest using ET technology, and just a ton of stuff that anybody who goes there and says they're bored, I would have to feel their pulse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, those who have been intrigued tonight, obviously many by the phones, really, to follow up, do that.
		Go to Dr. Boylan's website, which is drboyland, d-r-b-o-y-l-a-n, dot-com.
		And from there, you can proceed to perhaps Labor Journey to the Stars, his book.
		And certainly you can begin to dive in if you're intrigued enough and find out more.
		Fair description, Doctor?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and one more thing I would invite people to.
		Down at the very bottom of the website, you'll see a couple of my electronic newsletters you can get on board.
		One is just my reports, and one is my reports plus chat among various experiencers and star people and others about this whole phenomenon.
		So if people want to get on there for free and get this information in their mailbox as new things break, they can sign up for either Doc Rich Boiler Reports or my UFO facts list.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All this has to cost an awful lot of money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you finance all this?
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Out of my own pocket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Out of your own pocket.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't have some hidden philanthropist pouring money at me.
		This is bootstrapping.
		My Star Kids project and the workshops there are bootstrapping.
		We self-finance from one thing to the next and try and keep it very low cost so that people have access.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		Doctor, we're out of time.
		It's been a pleasure.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Very nice talking to you again.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		Keep up the good work, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, my friend.
dr richard boylan ▲ ● ▼		You too, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And for all of you out there, until next weekend, from the high desert, in the middle of the night, I'm Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
unidentified		Good night in the desert, shooting stars across the sky.
		This magical journey will take us on a ride.
		Filled with the longing, searching for the truth.
		Will we make it to tomorrow?
		Will the sun shine on you?

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