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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Aerial Revelations - John Lear

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever the world you may be in all its time zones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've just connected with the best talk program on the air in the world at this time of the night.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is going to be quite a program.
		John Lear has not done an interview in ten years.
		It's been ten years.
		And we'll get to all of that.
		And something you're going to want to listen to very carefully when I do the introduction for John, you're going to want to listen very carefully to that.
		Another remarkable solar flare has erupted from Giants Sunspot 486.
		Actually, two of them.
		One almost a mega flare.
		I mean, just right up at the top of the X scale.
		It was an X8.
		And then we had a mid-class X flare just a few hours ago.
		So the sun continues to remain intensely, suspiciously active.
		You might want to go try to figure out what my webcam picture is, not who the other individual in that picture is.
		I wonder how many of you can figure that one out.
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		Please listen to the following very, very carefully.
		John Lear, retired airline captain with over 19,000 hours of flight time, has flown over 100 different types of aircraft in 60 different countries around the world.
		Son of Lear jet inventor Bill Lear, John is the only pilot to hold every FAA airman certificate to include the airline transport rating, flight instructor, ground instructor, flight engineer, navigator, aircraft dispatcher, airframe and power plant mechanic, parachute rigger, and control tower operator.
		He flew secret missions for the CIA in Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa between 1966 and 1983.
		He's flown as captain and check pilot for over 10 different airlines.
		John held 17 world records, including speed around the world in a Learjet Model 24 set in 1966, was presented with a PATCO Award for Outstanding Airmanship in 1968, was the youngest American to climb the Matterhorn in Switzerland in 1959, and in the early 70s owned and skippered the Americas Cupboat Soliloquy out of Marina Del Rey in California.
		In 1968, John raced a Douglas B-26 Invader in the unlimited class at the Reno Air Races.
		He is a senior vice commander of the China Post One, the American Legion post for soldiers of fortune, and is a 20-year member of the Special Operations Association.
		John is currently owner and operator of the only permitted gold mine operation, Cutthroat Mining Corporation, in Clark County, Nevada.
		His efforts to clean up the Treasure Hawk Mine in Gold Butte won him the State of Nevada's Award for Excellence in Mining Reclamation in 1999.
		John is a MSHA Mine Safety and Health Administration certified mining instructor and holds a blaster license from the Nevada State Fire Marshal.
		John's passion for the preservation and documentation of the history of Gold Butte has made him an authority on the area.
		He's been a Las Vegas resident since 1974, was a Republican state Senate candidate in 1980.
		John has four daughters, two grandchildren, and lives with his wife in Las Vegas, Las Vegas businesswoman Marilee Lear in Sunrise Manor.
		In 1988, John met and became friends with Bob Lazar, the government scientist who worked on the back engineering of the propulsion system of extraterrestrial UFOs at Area S4.
		That's just outside the infamous and ultra-secret Area 51.
		In March of 89, Lazar took John to an area close to Rachel, Nevada, where he witnessed a flight of a flying saucer at exactly the time Lazar said the test would occur.
		Two weeks later, on another UFO spying mission, John, Lazar, and three others were caught by security forces.
		That's caught, folks.
		And the next day, the very next day, Lazar lost his job in the government program for that breach of security.
		Lazar has been branded by many as a fraud, a charge to which John responds, quote, those who say that Lazar was a fraud simply don't know the facts of this incredible 12-month period.
		I was there.
		They weren't, end quote.
		During the late 1980s, John tracked down and found the Army intelligence analyst who read, probably by accident, the U.S. government report Grudge 13, which documented the history of the UFO cover-up and details of saucer recoveries, disposition of their occupants, and handling, that's handling of civilian witnesses.
		The report included clear photographs of these recovered extraterrestrial craft and the beings found inside.
		It further detailed how recoveries were made worldwide and specially designed transports to accommodate the craft.
		John spent time poking around other UFO-related areas to include Dulcie, Socorro, Aztec, Alamogordo, Albuquerque, Los Alamos, and Bentwaters Air Base near London.
		Since that time, John has learned many interesting and incredible facts about the solar system and its planets, including the existence of huge structures, arches, bridges, and domes on the moon, cities on Mars,
		huge extraterrestrial ships mining the rings of Saturn, the incredible but secret agenda of Apollo 17 to the huge rectangular opening in the south massive of the Terrace Littro highlands called Nansen.
		He suspects that Venus does not have the sulfuric acid atmosphere with a temperature of 800 degrees that we've all been led to believe, but instead is a planet very similar to ours with a similar but much more technologically advanced civilization.
		John Lear believes that the government has very good reasons for their continued cover-up but refuses to discuss them.
		He also believes that the government never, ever intends to release any UFO information, and if forced to say anything, will obscure, tangle, and weave a deceptive line.
		Asked outright if he believes the public has a right to know these facts, John says no, they don't.
		Why?
		Because, was his admittedly evasive answer.
		Then why, after 10 years of silence, is John Lear talking once again after almost 60 years, the majority of our population still is not convinced that Roswell happened.
		I certainly do not represent a threat to this kind of security, he responds.
		Actually, the whole thing is absolutely fascinating.
		The whole John Lear story is fascinating and how it intertwines with my career, with the turn it took.
		God, I don't even know, 12, 15 years ago, something like that, working at KVEWN in Las Vegas and doing a pretty typical talk show, to be honest with you.
		John really was responsible for the twist, the turn in my career that brought me to the point where I am now.
		In other words, early interviews with John Lear were the impetus to actually change the focus of this entire program.
		That's the influence John Lear has had on me.
		So after 10 years of silence, in a moment, John Lear.
unidentified		Psh Psh Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you It's interesting, actually.
		Other than calling John, I don't know, you know, every year or so or a couple to inquire whether he'd like to once again do an interview, which I always got the big no to.
		You know, that's about the level that we've, I think, kept in touch over the years.
		And then the other day I happen to call him.
		And other than the fact that I bugged you once again, John, I really am curious, after 10 years, why break your silence now and welcome.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you, Art.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		You mean I could have said no?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, too late.
		Yeah, you could have said no, sure.
		I'm serious.
		After 10 years of not a peep, why now?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, the government in charge of this cover-up works so well at making your life miserable when you go around talking about this stuff that I quit and my life, quality of life improved about 200%.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		But now the cover-up is so well in place that they certainly would not be threatened by me going on the radio once and saying what I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, you lost jobs because of this.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I lost two.
		I lost one with an airline and one with a government program that I really wanted, and it was with Lockheed.
		And they went for my clearance, and they were told by the Air Force of NASA that under no circumstances would John Lear ever get another clearance.
		Now, I had Q clearance up at the test site for some work I did with Dyne Electron, and it was just monitoring below-ground tests from the air with different airplanes.
		And that clearance is still there.
		It's not active, but they weren't going to renew it under any circumstances, and they made it plain.
		So it's cost me a little bit, but I've managed to survive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You know, before we launch into the whole spectrum of things that we have to talk about, John, when you and I were on the phone the other day, you began to tell me about 9-11, and I really would like to talk about that.
		You have a perspective on the whole 9-11 thing that people should at least hear.
		I mean, everybody can make up their own minds about it, but you're a commercial pilot, and there's certain things you know.
		So how about it?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a very sensitive subject, and I told you that I was hesitant to talk about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why I'm bringing it up first.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		But whoever concocted 9-11, and it certainly wasn't Osama bin Laden, they have two objectives.
		One was to polarize American opinion against Arab Muslims.
		And number two was to get the U.S., to trick the U.S., essentially, to get Osama out of Afghanistan, because Osama, as bad as he was, he was shutting down all the heroin poppy fields and was causing a disastrous monetary loss to the illegal drug industry.
		And last year, which was a year after we went into Afghanistan, National Geographic did a special on TV that ran for several months and documented the 500% increase in drugs flowing out of Afghanistan after we went in there and eliminated Osama.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They actually did.
		I recall that.
		I remember that report.
		So you're sort of charging that we went in there after Osama to rescue the drug trade.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, that wasn't what we thought.
		We were tricked into doing that.
		We were tricked into thinking that Osama was responsible for 9-11.
		But to get in a proper perspective on who did the World Trade Center, you have to understand what a magnificent feat of airmanship this was.
		It was disastrous and it was horrible for this country.
		But this was not accomplished by some guys who went to Florida and got some instruction in a Cessna or Piper.
		And this was not accomplished by somebody who had some right seamen in a 727.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about simulators, flight simulators?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		This had to be accomplished by pilots who were taken to an honest-to-God Boeing 757 simulator, which essentially is, you know, the 757 and 767 are essentially the same cockpit.
		You get the same rating.
		And whoever, you know, concocted this whole thing knew that on a particular day that airliners themselves could be switched because of maintenance problems.
		And by selecting airlines that had that airplane, they had everything covered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it actually took a fair amount of skill to plow into those buildings?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would say that it took about 200 or 300 hours for each pilot, and we're talking about You mean of simulator time?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Of simulator time.
		They had to learn how to step into the cockpit, and that's a whole thing, getting into the airplane.
		But separate from that, they had to get in the cockpit, pull the circuit breaker for the transponder, sit in the pilot seat, disconnect the autopilot from the flight management system, turn the airplane, push the throttles all the way forward, find Manhattan, then line up on a pre-planned course doing 10 miles a minute.
		They were clocked by air traffic control, doing 600 miles an hour at 700 feet above the ground, and fly directly into the middle of the center of the World Trade Center.
		Now that, you know, in the air races, we only fly 400 miles an hour, and that's difficult.
		But to fly an airliner the size of the 757 at 700 feet, I mean, that took some skill, and it took a long time to train that, probably a year.
		In addition to that, hitting the trail center was a feat, but hitting the Pentagon was even more of a feat because when you're going that fast, there's a tremendous amount of air creating this lift.
		And as you head towards the ground, that air reacts against the wing and pushes you up.
		So whoever hit that train to hit that Pentagon at the third story was highly trained because when he got towards the ground, he'd be getting a tremendous amount of lift, and he would have to trim forward and push with an incredible amount of strength to not be pushed up and over the Pentagon and to get the third story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the plane that went down, the one that didn't make it, that was probably headed for the White House?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was shot down by an F-16 out of a base south of New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can you be so sure?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, because there was parts found five miles away, because there was eyewitnesses to it being shot down.
		There's corroborating evidence.
		Somebody who was listening to a cell phone conversation at the time this was going on said they heard the rapid, like and described it as the pilot rapidly turning pages.
		Well, that's not what was happening.
		It was the cannon fire hitting the fuselage.
		And that's what accounted for the, what they called, smoke in the cabin.
		It wasn't smoke.
		It was the depressurization causing the condensation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying definitely you feel it was shut down?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No doubt about it.
		But you have to understand the government's position.
		Number one, they couldn't possibly reveal this information because it was something they had to do.
		The problem was that once the passengers got control of the airplane, there was no way to communicate with air traffic control and communicate with whoever was directing the attack for the Air Force.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you say Osama bin Laden wasn't responsible, but there are videotapes showing Osama with his lieutenant sort of laughing and joking they didn't expect such a grand result and all that blooney.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about that?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		He may have been told at the last minute that, but if that's all we've got, people say, well, how come we haven't got Osama bin Laden?
		And the bottom line is we don't want to get him.
		We'd have to put him on trial.
		And other than that videotape, we don't have a shred, not a shred of evidence against him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that might be enough in a it might be enough in a courtroom.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		In a world court?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, I don't know.
		I don't know.
		Maybe not.
		Yeah, maybe you're right.
		Maybe there is no more evidence.
		I don't know.
		But you shocked me with some of your views on the 9-11 business.
		No question about that.
		You just, I mean, hundreds of hours of simulator.
		Where would they get, John, where would they get simulator training like that?
		That many hours.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Therein lies the problem because they certainly couldn't waltz into any airline in the United States and get that kind of time.
		I mean, most of the airliners or airlines who have 757s use them 24 hours a day.
		And they certainly aren't in the habit of renting to unauthorized people.
		Like somebody going in there and saying, hey, we need 1,500 hours a time, it's just not going to happen.
		They had to find another 757 elsewhere in the world.
		And you look around the Middle East, and there's certainly none there, at least in any Arab country, because they have Airbuses, strictly Airbuses from France.
		So they have to find someplace else that had a 757.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many of these simulators are there?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's lots of them, but not lots of them, but there's certainly around.
		They had to make a deal somewhere.
		I mean, obviously they got training because they couldn't do without the kind of training.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what we've been given by the media, the mass media, that they were down in Florida getting a few hours on lighter aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That just doesn't wash at all.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No possibility.
		You talk to any pilot that knows anything about this, and that was a feat of airmanship.
		With 19,000 hours in all the airplanes I've flown, including air races, the Douglas B-26, I doubt if I could have done that the first time.
		What you're doing is you're going a mile every six seconds.
		So you had to learn where to line up, which reference points to get, where you had to be at a particular time to hit that building.
		It was just, you know, it had to be planned for a long, long time.
		This is a tremendous amount of skill, and it took a long time to do.
		Particularly, you know, they probably got somebody who didn't have thousands of hours.
		They probably had to train him from the ground up.
		And in this case, it was relatively easy because he didn't have to learn how to take offer land.
		He didn't have to learn how to do a single-engine approach.
		He didn't have to learn how to do an ILS or an NDD approach or anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just hit a building.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just hit a building.
		John, hold on.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's something I've wanted to ask you, John, for a long time.
		Phil Class is a, I guess a skeptic could be a kind word.
		He's perhaps more than a skeptic.
		And I talked to somebody who claimed they heard a quote from you saying that in a conversation with someone, you were quoted as saying that Phil Klass does what he does out of patriotism.
		Did Phil Klass ever say that to you?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I knew Phil Klass from the early 60s when he was the science editor or the, and I forget, electronic editor for the Los Angeles Times.
		And he used to write about my dad's equipment in an unfavorable nature.
		And so he was in anathema around our house.
		And then when I got into this UFO thing and met him in, I forget one of the conferences in 1987, I went over to, he invited me over to his apartment, and we sat there and talked about this stuff.
		And he was saying, oh, this is all BS.
		It's not true.
		And I'd hit him with several facts.
		He says, John, John, John, it's not true.
		It's the fiction.
		It never happened.
		And at that time, Larry, who was the Bentwaters guy that came out and talked about the Bentwaters thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and I should know who you're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I remember.
		I can't remember his last name.
		And I started talking about him.
		He says, John, I don't want you hanging around that guy.
		He's a druggie.
		It was an interesting evening.
		But, you know, I think that's about the last time I ever saw Phil.
		Is he still alive?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe Phil Klass is indeed alive.
		I think he is, anyway.
		Listen, a lot of people listening tonight will have no idea of you and the year of Lazar for you.
		A lot of people, of course, are pretty recent listeners, and gee, it's been a decade, although we have interviewed.
		I actually interviewed Bob Lazar not too long ago, John.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I listened to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, You did.
		You heard it.
		It might be really interesting to kind of get that period of time from you for all the new listeners.
		There are so many.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I spent some time with Bob a month or so ago.
		I had an occasion to ferry an L1011 from where it was painted in the south.
		The name of the airport escapes me, but we took it up to Roswell.
		And as you know, Roswell is a huge airport repository for old airplanes.
		Not old airplanes.
		Well, yeah, old airplanes, old airliners.
		There must be 200 of them there.
		Just every kind that you can imagine.
		L1011s and 747s and DC-10s and DC-9s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're really kept there to avoid the erosion that would occur elsewhere, right?
		Just because of the plan.
		Well, there's several places.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Mojave is one.
		Victorville is another.
		Roswell.
		Anyway, I went to Roswell and coming back, I took the bus from Roswell to Albuquerque, and Bob picked me up, and I spent a few days at his house, and, you know, talked about old times and stuff, and it was interesting.
		But, you know, the way I got into all of this was sometime in 1984 or 85, I picked up a book called Missing Time by Bud Hopkins.
		And when I read it, I thought, holy smokes, this is true.
		I mean, it gave me chills.
		And at that time, I was flying with American Transair, and I was based in New York, and I gave Bud a call and ended up over at his house.
		And I spent a fascinating evening with him, and that got me really interested.
		And then, what's his name, Whitley Stryber wrote Communion, and that was even more scary.
		I remember reading that book on a, I had gone down to the store to get it, and I got a call to take a flight from Las Vegas to Cleveland.
		And I remember flying the 727 on the way to Cleveland and reading this thing and how scary it was.
		But anyway, I got interested in all this, and let's see what happened next.
		I went on this little tour around Colorado, New Mexico, and, you know, checking out all these rumors.
		It was just fascinating.
		And then I started to give lectures.
		And I gave this, at that time, I was on my soapbox, and we deserve to know this stuff.
		And, you know, at that time, I had no idea how heavily involved the government was in this.
		I thought they were just really dismissing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You kind of went at this for a while as almost an obsession.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it was an obsession.
		And it almost caused a divorce because my wife, you know, turned off the phone.
		I mean, changed my numbers.
		And it was a very, very turbulent time.
		But anyway, in the summer of 1988, a guy called up during all this turbulence.
		And he said, hey, I'd like to get a copy of your tapes.
		And I said, no, I'm out of this.
		I'm done with it.
		It's a mess.
		And he said, well, he said, if you ever need an appraisal of your house, he said, I'll trade you.
		He says, I'm an appraiser.
		And I said, well, I'll tell you what.
		I need my house appraised.
		I'll trade you the tapes for the appraisal.
		And this was Gene Huff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		So he came over and he brought this guy named Bob Lazar to hold the measuring tape.
		And we sat down and we talked about UFOs.
		And Bob was sitting there rolling his eyes.
		He said, I've never heard so much BS in all my life.
		He said, I worked at Los Alamos.
		He said, if this were true, I would have known it.
		I had the highest clearance.
		And, you know, people who have Q clearance thinks that's the highest.
		And so anyway, over the next few months, we got together with Gene and Bob, and I kept feeding Bob information.
		And like about October or November, it became apparent to him that something was going on.
		And I think there was two or three things that I had said.
		One, as I said, at Los Alamos, there's a facility called YY-2, which is a secret facility, and that's where they keep the live alien.
		And I mentioned something else, I forget what it was.
		But anyway, his friends at Los Alamos wrote him back and said, you know, indeed there is a YY-2.
		Now, that doesn't mean there's an alien there, but there was a secret area.
		So at any rate, Bob decided to re-enter the scientific community and called Dr. Teller.
		I was there when he made the call, reminded Dr. Teller of when he had met him at Los Alamos and asked if he could re-enter the scientific community.
		And Teller said, do you want to work here in Livermore, California, or do you want to work out there in Nevada?
		And Bob said, I want to work at Area 51.
		And Teller said, let me see what I can do.
		Well, the next thing I know is Bob has three security interviews down at the EG ⁇ G facility here.
		And he mentioned to me on the second interview, they said, you know, do you know John Lear and what is your relationship with him?
		And Bob said, well, he's a person who I know him, and he's a person who sticks his nose where it doesn't belong.
		And Bob said when he told them that, what he didn't tell them was he likes to stick his nose where it doesn't belong.
		So anyway, the next thing I know is December of 1988, Bob shows up at my house in the evening, sits down.
		I'm right now doing some paperwork.
		And he sits down in the chair in front of my desk and he says, I saw a disc today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now here's where I want to stop you and ask you a quick question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you know when bob first came to you at the point your your talking about right now what do you think his motivation was because uh...
unidentified		the course he had a Yes.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		He said, I saw a disk today.
		And I said, what are you talking about?
		I said, theirs or ours.
		He said, theirs.
		And I said, did you go to Area 51?
		He said, yeah.
		He said, I just got back.
		I said, then what are you doing here, Bob?
		I said, this is fantastic.
		Why don't you work there?
		Obviously, they followed you.
		And I said, why don't you find out what's going on and then tell me?
		And he said, because you have taken so much flack over this, so much ridicule.
		I want to tell you it's true, and I saw it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was coming to you privately at that point, just saying, Look, what you believe, it's true.
		I can verify it's true.
		So, it was just because of your friends because he saw your struggle.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And from that point?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, from that point, you know, he kept, he worked from December until March 21st, 1989, which will always be a date that we'll always remember.
		And that, you know, the Tuesday before, the 21st was a Wednesday, the day before, I was over at his house, and he said, you want to go see a disc fly tomorrow?
		And I said, well, how?
		And he said, well, I know a place that we can watch it, and they always test on Wednesdays at sunset because that is the time that this road is least traveled.
		And I said, great, let's go.
		So Gene Huff and me and Bob got my motorhome, and I think Bob's wife was with us, and we drove up there and just south of the black mailbox, which we didn't know about then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The now infamous black mailbox.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And I set up this telescope, and here this thing comes up from behind the mountains where Groom Lake was.
		And it flitted around, and I'm trying to focus this 8-inch Celestron telescope, which is very difficult.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bad idea.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		But finally I got it.
		And I saw a disk.
		It was oriented about 45 degrees to the horizon.
		And it was glowing.
		It was a yellowish-orange, and it was glowing.
		And it was settling back down behind the mountains.
		And I said, quick, Gene, take a look.
		And as I stepped back from the telescope, I hooked the tripod leg and got it off the focus.
		And, of course, there's a big laugh about that.
		And at one time, I had those tapes, all those tapes.
		But I'm moving out of my house now, and I stored everything in the garage as far as tapes, UFO books, all documents and everything.
		And somebody came and stole half of it, including all my UFO books, everything.
		Now, I don't know who it was, and I don't expect it's, you know, I think it was just accident somebody took that stuff.
		That tape is gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a telescope of that power would actually give you pretty good resolution if you really managed and holding the focus core.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it was perfect.
		I saw it.
		There was no doubt about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much could you see, John, beyond a glowing disc?
		That was it.
		That was it.
		No further detail of the craft itself.
		Could you even estimate by distance the size?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And so we stayed around for another couple of hours and nothing happened.
		So we went home.
		And then the next Wednesday night, I was on a trip, airline trip, and I couldn't go.
		But I called Bob and I said, you know, what's going on?
		He said, we're going fishing tonight, which I knew, you know, they're going up to Groom Lake.
		And so that was the night that I think Jim Taliani went and George Knapp went, and I think that's when George got the film that he got.
		Then the third night, which was the following Wednesday, was March 6th, and that's when we went up and we had all the Geiger counters and the cameras and everything.
		And that's when we got caught.
		And we were going down the road that access to the back gate of Groom Lake.
		And I kept saying, come on, let's stop here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How close were you allowed to get?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		About 10 miles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		10 miles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you were how far inside that 10-mile point?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I think we were about 10 miles away.
		We hadn't even come near the security gate.
		That's way up in the ridge there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I guess what I'm getting at is, were you in an area where you could legally be ordered?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, absolutely.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		But we were going further, and I said, come on, let's stop.
		And then we saw some headlights in front of us.
		And we said, okay, let's turn around.
		There's no use in forcing this issue because we're not going to be able to get out now.
		And as we turned around, I forget who was driving.
		I think it was Bob's wife's sister.
		And I said, now don't get stuck in the dirt.
		And so we turned around and we head as fast as we can down this road.
		And these jeeps or vehicles are following us.
		And, you know, when I've told this story, I've said there was four.
		And, you know, Bob says, no, there was only two.
		I forget how many there was.
		But anyway, we got to a point almost to the road, and we decided they were too close behind us.
		So I said, let's, he says, Bob said, I can't afford to get caught.
		Let's stop.
		I'm going to go into the desert.
		You guys, you know, do what you have to do.
		And so we got out.
		Bob went into the desert.
		I set up the telescope.
		And these guys pull up, form a circle.
		They had guns.
		They said, what are you guys doing?
		And I said, we're just, you know, looking at the stars.
		He said, well, how come you were running away from us?
		And I said, well, I thought you might be dopers.
		And he said, well, we're not.
		And he said, we need to see some IDs.
		So everybody had to, you know, give the Social Security number and driver's license number.
		And we were there about a half an hour.
		They checked everything.
		And then they gave us the briefing.
		They said, look, we can't kick you off of here.
		This is BLM land.
		But we can make it awful difficult for you if you stay.
		And we said, okay, we'll go.
		So they leave.
		And remember, this is at night.
		It's extremely dark, way out in the middle of Nevada.
		And we had the trunk open, which cast a light.
		And I'm loading the stuff.
		And we wait about 15 minutes.
		And Bob comes out of the desert.
		And we sit there laughing and joking about seeing flying saucers and all this and so on and so on.
		Unbeknownst to us, the security team had gone Down the road, just about 100 yards, and they were filming us, and they had a parabolic reflector.
		They were recording what we were saying.
		So we pack up everything and we go, we get on the road there just as it goes through, just where it meets the 278.
		And as we get onto the road, I think it's my county or Lincoln County sheriff stops us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And they pull up.
		They got the lights going and they got the bullhorn.
		And he says, all right, you know, everybody out, put your hands on the car.
		And so we get out and put the hands on the car.
		And he comes over, and we were there about an hour.
		He checked ID, and he was talking to somebody.
		And pretty soon he comes up and he says, look, I only have two questions.
		He says, one, where's the gun?
		Because we had mentioned that Bob had run into the desert with a gun.
		And he said, I want to know why there's five people here and there was only four people when securities talked to him there.
		And so nobody said anything.
		I have to admit that I made one of the monumental mistakes of my life.
		And Bob Lazar will never, ever forgive me for this.
		But it's just my nature.
		When they asked for the driver's license, I said, mine's in the trunk.
		And so we had to open the trunk with all the Geiger counter and film and everything in there.
		And anyway, after about an hour of hemming and hawing and not getting him an answer to anything, he said, and I'll remember this officer's name.
		It's a French name.
		And he still works up there for Lincoln County.
		And I see him occasionally from time to time.
		He said, look, he said, I don't know why I've been told to do this, but I've been told to let you guys go.
		So pack up your stuff and get out of here.
		So we packed up our stuff and left.
		And the next morning, Bob got a call from his boss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I can stop you, John, do you think the reason you were let go is because of the Lazar name?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, okay.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And they didn't want anymore, so publicity.
		So the next morning, Bob gets a call from his boss and says, Bob, don't go to work.
		I'm going to pick you up.
		And he picked him up, drove him up to Indian Springs, which is the center for all security for the test site.
		And they pulled him out of a car with a gun in his ear.
		And they said, Bob, when we gave you this security clearance, it didn't mean you were supposed to tell all your friends about the flying sausage.
		Do you want to work here or not?
		And he was non-committal.
		He came home and told us about what happened.
		And I said, are you going back to work?
		And he said, probably not.
		And I said, why?
		He said, the main reason is because the last time I went up, he said, when I got on that, the only thing I remember is getting on the 737 and getting off.
		I don't remember what I did up there.
		And he said, I couldn't work under conditions like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold it right there, John.
		Good evening, everybody.
		You're listening to a very rare interview indeed.
		My guest is John Lear, son of Bill Lear, inventor of the Lear Jet, and a man who knows an awful lot about what's going on inside.
		Actually, so much inside information that I doubt we'll hear it all tonight.
		But we'll see how much we can get to from the high desert.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is the now 60-year-old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm 58 now.
unidentified		He's 60.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		60-year-old retired airline pilot, commercial airline pilot, John Lear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He'll be right back.
unidentified		Psh!
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's been so long since I interviewed John that the last time we did it, we almost didn't have commercials.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, John, we kind of left off where Bob essentially said, nah, he didn't think he'd go back to work there.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and his reason was because the last time he went, he could remember getting on the 737 and getting off, but he couldn't remember what he did there.
		So the short, I think it was the next day or so, like the Saturday, I had done, or it was Sunday morning, I had done some interviews with George Knapp, and it was, I forget what the program was called, but We discussed UFOs and everything, and that night he called me and said, John, you can't believe it.
		The phones are ringing off the hook here.
		People want more.
		What can I do for an encore?
		And I said, well, maybe I can get Bob to come on.
		And so that, I talked with Bob, and that was the Monday night that he did the news show where they showed him in shadow telling that he worked up there and that he worked on extraterrestrial craft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that was a big broadcast.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And then a few days later, George Knapp and Bob Stoldow, who headed up Channel 8, came up, and George said, I have Bob here.
		I have Bob Stoldow here.
		We want to talk to Lazar, and we want to see if he's telling the truth, and I want to go ahead with a special.
		He said, I need to get Bob Stoldow's permission.
		So we sat here for an hour or two, and they grilled Bob this way and that, and finally said, Bob Stoldow said, go ahead and do it.
		And that's when George went with the six-part documentary on Lazar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, very famous documentary.
		Channel 8 stayed, really stayed heavily on that.
		And anyway, so that was it for you and Bob?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		That was pretty much it.
		Bob made the Lazar tape, which documented what he learned up there.
		And we stayed in touch for many years.
		He ran Desert Blast every year up until Desert Blast 13 was the last one that we ran.
		It was the largest outlaw fireworks show west of the Mississippi.
		And we didn't do it again for several reasons.
		One was because we had 13 shows with just tremendously high explosive displays, and there wasn't one single injury.
		And Bob said, look, we've gotten away with this long enough.
		Let's bring this to a close.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, somebody, I've got a computer here, and people can send me questions kind of as we go along.
		Somebody was asking, you know, well, that proves that Lazar knew the schedule, roughly, of what was happening up there.
		It doesn't necessarily prove the rest of his story.
		How confident are you that everything we, and you were told by Lazar, was right on the money?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm confident that everything he told me was true, and I've heard that argument several times that he may have known the schedule, and then they also say he may have been a cook up there.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		But if he was a cook, then that means that they told the cooks when they were going to fly the flying saucers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a very good point.
		very good boy uh...
		but but in general uh...
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I can just say, I believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, of course, you can believe what you saw with your own eyes.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have how much of an idea do you have with regard to the capability of the craft that you saw fly?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fly is the wrong word, I guess.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, Bob said it had tremendous capabilities.
		It could certainly travel outside this solar system and go to other solar systems.
		The fuel that he worked on the propulsion system.
		When you go to work there, everything is so compartmentalized, other than the initial briefing that he got, where he learned a little about everything that was going on.
		They don't allow him to work on all aspects of it.
		He had to pick one field.
		And his field that he picked on was try to duplicate the propulsion with present-day technology.
		And of course, it's impossible.
		They're hundreds of thousands of years ahead of us.
		Although we can understand how it works, there's no way we can contain an antimatter reactor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, Bob got his hands on Element 116, crucial to the operation, I guess, of these craft, this Element 116.
		That is the fuel.
		out the fuel and did he No, it was at his house.
		It was at his house.
		You saw it yourself.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What became of the Element 116 that he possessed?
		No comment.
		No comment.
		Okay.
		Let me ask you something easy, or maybe it's not easy.
		You're a pilot.
		You've been a pilot all your adult life, I guess, correct?
		Yeah.
		Something a lot of us wonder is how many pilots see these craft.
		A lot of people, you know, I've noticed something, John.
		You get a lot more UFO sightings when Mars is coming close and people are paying attention to the sky.
		Most people go around looking at what's in front of them or the road or whatever, and they have to.
		They don't spend a lot of time looking at the sky.
		Ah, but pilots do.
		They spend a lot of time looking at the sky, and many of us wonder how many pilots actually see these things.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		That's really a misconception because when you're flying an airplane, particularly in this day and age, you're concentrating on what's going on inside the cockpit.
		During the nighttime, even if the lights are turned down, there's no way you can see out the windows.
		I mean, you can press your eyeball against the window and see stars, but it's not like you're sitting there in your normal piloting position and you can see outside.
		You can't.
		And then during the daytime, you know, you just, your attention isn't outside.
		I mean, you can look out occasionally from time to time, but most of your concentration is inside.
		You're talking to the air traffic control.
		You're monitoring, you know, the instruments and paying attention to flying.
		But in answer to your questions, how many people see not many.
		I've heard some stories of guys who see stuff outside.
		And of course, I may have been a little different.
		I spent a lot more time looking outside.
		I remember one of the last flights that n I made with one of the cargo airlines.
		We're very late at night, and I'm looking out, and I see this thing come streaking across the sky and then go straight up.
		And I thought, no, gosh, I wish the crew had seen that.
		And so then I didn't say anything, and then it happened again.
		And I thought, well, maybe it'll happen again.
		So I said, hey, you guys, look, look at this.
		And it happened three more times.
		And it was, you know, I don't know what it was, but it came streaking about halfway across the horizon directly over the airplane and then shot straight up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		A million things I want to ask you about.
		For example, Richard C. Hoagland in the early years had some shocking stuff he said about things that are on our moon.
		Just incredible things, tall spires and structures and buildings and things, and just incredible stuff.
		And people laugh.
		They ought not be laughing at that, huh?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, Richard C. Oglin inspired me to look into that.
		And I ordered some prints from NASA.
		And, of course, when you order pictures of the moon from NASA, it doesn't come from NASA.
		There's three separate places where they come from.
		And to go back to the middle 60s, when NASA really realized what was going on on the moon, they had the Lunar Orbiter Series.
		There was five camera ships they sent to the moon to make fabulous, detailed photographs of the moon.
		And when these came back, I mean, they were chock full of all these buildings and arches and domes and buildings.
		And, you know, there was a place at NASA where people spent their entire careers doing nothing but airbrushing this stuff out.
		And then they'd take a picture of that picture, and that would become the public information.
		That would become the picture that was sent out to the public.
		But every once in a while, you can order a picture, and they forgot to airbrush, or they didn't know it.
		And one thing they could have never imagined back in the early 60s was that in the 90s, that computer technology would make it possible that we could scan a photograph like that and enlarge it and find the airbrush marks and find stuff that they didn't see looking at the print.
		I mean, we can go right down and see little tracks and all kinds of stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think they're just erasing this stuff or have erased this stuff like crazy?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To protect us from the truth.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		They just have a hard time keeping up with the public.
		I mean, every time we send something to Mars, something happens.
		It doesn't work.
		It doesn't transmit everything.
		We sent Clementine to the moon, took all these fabulous pictures, then spun out of control.
		I think the guys at NASA say, how many times can we do this?
		You think the public's going to fall for this every single time?
		And I imagine some guy says, well, they have so far.
		Let's keep it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you've been following Richard's career to some degree.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		What a guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, like a year ago, John, he suddenly came up with these photographs of Mars.
		And, you know, I've done quite a bit of flying, I'm certainly not a pilot, but, you know, when you look at these photographs, these more recent ones of Mars, even I sat here and I went, oh my God, it's like I'm looking down at a damn city.
		Like a city.
		It looks like a city from the air.
		And buildings everywhere, square shapes that don't make any sense on Mars from pictures that were imaged just below the surface.
		I don't know if you've seen those or not.
		Have you?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Which ones are we talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're fairly, within the year, recent pictures that were imaged kind of just below the ground, you know, with some of the groundworks.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mike Colonel.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		There's one that are above ground that are equally fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they are.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		You know, we run into the same thing with Richard as we run in with UFO people as everyone believes their own research, but when they hear another story, oh, that guy's full of BIOS.
		And so you kind of have to do your own as you research this.
		Now, the last thing I came across is, have you seen the city of Tethonia?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's fascinating.
		I called up the guy at Project Red Star and I said, send me that stuff.
		And what's so fascinating about it is, I don't know whether you can do it today, but you used to be able to go to Ballon Space Systems, download the film yourself, and look at it yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't have to go and buy a C V. Yeah, it's incredible stuff.
		I mean, from the air, to me, it looks very city-like, John.
		That would imply a gigantic civilization that at least at one time was on Mars without question.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, now when Bob was working at the test site, one of the things he saw was close-up views of Sidonia.
		They were taken at very close range.
		He said that the pyramids at Sidonia, you could see doors and windows, and there was no doubt that it was a place where somebody lived.
		And so he and I had occasion to drive down to L.A. to pick up his jet car.
		And when we were down there, we drove over to JPL, and we went to see the guy who was head of the – I lost my memory.
		Was it Voyager 2 that went to Mars?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was Voyager.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't Voyager 2.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Voyager.
		Okay.
		So we went in to see this guy who was head of Voyager Imaging, and we said, you know, Bob has been up to Area 51 and seen these close-up photos, but, you know, in the photos that Are released to the public, we don't see this particular photo.
		We said this photo that he saw was taken at a very low altitude and a specific angle.
		We said, was Voyager tasked to ever go lower and take pictures?
		And the guy said, yes, as a matter of fact, we did task it to go lower, but we didn't make any pictures.
		Now, here's the beauty of this thing, and this is how cover-up works.
		He knew that it went lower, but he didn't have a high enough clearance, even though he was head of imaging, that that picture was taken.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, why do you think that all of this is being withheld from us?
		The whole thing, why?
		Why are we being protected from this information?
		I mean, on the one hand, people call and say, oh, look, I could take it.
		The fact that Brookings was there and said people would be disturbed and all the rest of it, baloney, I want to know.
		So the question is, why are we not being allowed to know?
		Why keep it all secret?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		The answer to that is in the form of, I'd like to do something with you, but we need a good 10 or 15 minutes because what I'm going to do is say, Art Bell, the government has chosen you because of your vast experience with the public and what you think they can handle.
		And we decided that we are going to either release all this information or not.
		But what we're going to do is tell you everything that we know, and then you make, you decide yay or nay.
		And this art bell, it will be you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think I would be getting set up, John.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Big time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Set up.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		When we have 10 minutes of clear time, I've written the briefing that you're going to get from the government.
		And then after that briefing, it comes with slides and videos.
		Of course, you won't be able to see them, but I'll talk you through them.
		And then at the end, I'll say, art, yay or nay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're going to give me a briefing, huh?
		Right.
		Okay, we'll do that in a few minutes.
		Apollo 17.
		apollo seventeen or will that I mean, was there some mission with regard to Apollo 17 not fully public?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Apollo 17 landed in the Torres Literal area, which is extremely dangerous.
		There's mountain peaks that go between 8,000 to 10,000 feet around the area.
		But what they were tasked to do on the second day was go to Nansen.
		And Nansen is a large, obviously constructed opening inside the South Massif.
		And they wanted to take a look at it.
		And so essentially that's been covered up, but there's a website where you can read the whole thing, see the pictures of Nansen.
		You get what the astronauts said, which is very, very interesting what they said.
		And what I'll do at the end of this broadcast, I'm going to email you about 10 or 15 websites that we're talking about, and then you can pass them on to what you like, and they can look at this Apollo 17 and Project Red Star and all the rest of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of this, an Apollo mission, our space program in general, how much would have to be hidden.
		Now, of course, it is worth mentioning that we have not gone back to the moon, not with men, as one would have expected by now, or Mars or anything else.
		It's kind of like, I don't know, it's like we're being kept home.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		We were told to stay away.
		And we were given that edict by the aliens.
		They said, you will not come back here.
		And I'm not sure which particular Apollo series it was, says, well, look, we've got these Saturn Vs.
		It's going to be hard to tell the public.
		And they said, well, okay, run one or two more, and that's it.
		And Apollo 17 was the last one.
		And the excuse that NASA gave was, well, we don't have any more funding.
		We can't do it.
		And they have the three remaining Saturn Vs fueled, ready to go, and they were 18, 19, and 20.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This threat that stopped us, John, what was the or else part?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It was just or else.
		And, you know, since I didn't know exactly what they said, and I haven't talked to anybody who heard the threat, it was just enough of a threat that, you know, we don't come back here.
		You're not welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, got it.
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		I guess I'm about to go to a briefing.
		Wasn't expecting this, but it should be interesting.
		I've been set up before, but it never hurts to listen, right?
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		You know, it's kind of interesting.
		Over the years of doing this program, so many years now, I've often wondered why I've been allowed to do it at all.
		So, okay, let's say the government chose me.
		They were going to use me as an outlet to release this information.
		Let's just say they did that and they took me to a briefing.
		Then what, John?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we whisk you to, or they whisk you to Washington, D.C. You get limoed to this building, beautiful building.
		You go up into this room.
		They say, Art, you're the guy.
		If you give us the go-ahead, we're going to release everything we know to the public.
		And if you decide to go ahead, all major networks will be provided with information on all aspects of the cover-up.
		No type of information will be withheld because of the deal for immunity for all participants of the cover-up provides that nothing, no artifact, no piece of information be withheld.
		So here's what happened, Art.
		And of course, this will use some videos and stills.
		Our first UFO recoveries were in the late 30s.
		We made a couple in the beginning of the 40s, and then came Roswell, which the public found out about.
		We got two live aliens from Roswell.
		One died shortly thereafter, one lived until 1956.
		And we found out that so far there are 18 different alien species that we know about monitoring Earth.
		Some are good, some are hostile, most are indifferent.
		We found out that we are the experimenter product, if you will, of an alien race who we never met and really don't know who they are.
		All we know is that the grays are cybernetic organisms, glorified robots, if you will, who work here at the behest of their employers monitoring us through abductions.
		We were never able to find out what the experiment is all about, except that we have been externally corrected about 65 times, and they, the aliens, refer to us as containers.
		There has been speculation that the souls our bodies contains is the reason for the experiment, but nothing has been proven or determined.
		Since 1938, we have lost over 200 aircraft to UFO hostilities and thousands of soldiers in all kinds of different kinds of action with aliens.
		Since that time, several hundred thousand civilians have disappeared with no trace.
		Several thousand were eliminated by us because of their chance encounters with aliens, which we could ill-afford to have publicized.
		A slightly more frightening phenomena known as human mutilations have occurred on a regular basis and are similar to the cattle mutilations in that the humans or humans are taken from the street, so to speak, and returned to the same area about 45 minutes to an hour later where their rectums cored out, their genitals removed, their eyes removed from their sockets, and completely drained of blood.
		In all cases, it appears that the mutilation procedures occurred while the persons were still alive and conscious.
		One of our scientists speculated that apparently the human specimens had to be alive for the samples to be worth anything.
		Abductions occur on a daily basis throughout the United States to at least 10% of the population.
		And when we first became aware of this, we protested to the little gray being that we held in the captivity at the YY-2 facility at Los Alamos.
		But a deal was struck that in exchange for advanced technology from the aliens, we would allow them to abduct a very small number of persons, and we would be periodically given a list of those persons abducted.
		We got something less than the technology we bargained for and found that the abductions exceeded by a millionfold what we had naively agreed to.
		In 1954, President Eisenhower met with a representative of another alien species at Mirok Test Center, which is now called Edwards Air Force Base.
		This alien suggested that they could help us get rid of the graves, but Eisenhower turned down their offer because they offered no technology.
		At this point, it became apparent to all involved that there was no such thing as a God, at least as the public perceives God.
		Certainly some kind of computer recorder stores information, and an occasional miracle is displayed by the aliens to influence a religious event.
		So this so unnerved Eisenhower that he had, in God We Trust, put on paper money and coins and put into the Pledge of Allegiance to reaffirm the public belief in God.
		Shortly after this, it was determined at meetings between the U.S. and Russians that the situation was serious enough that a Cold War should be manufactured as a ruse to divert attention of the public away from UFOs and towards some other scary threat, the H-bomb.
		It was also decided to keep the ruse secret from any elected or appointed official within both the U.S. and Russian government as long as it took so long to vet these officials and the ruse was easier to manage if the top people didn't know about it.
		In the late 1950s, NASA was formed to compartmentalize, containerize, and sanitize information from all space platforms and vehicles.
		We sold NASA to the public, claiming that all Information would belong to them.
		Actually, they got very little, and even that was highly sanitized.
		Our first efforts were to keep the public from learning about Venus, and that it's a similar planet to Earth, and that its population is very similar to us, but more technologically advanced.
		We have learned a lot from them.
		Starting with the Russian Venera 1 and U.S. Mariner 2, we made Venus look like a lead-melting volcanic surface spewing sulfuric acid into a pressurized atmosphere 90 times that of Earth.
		And was often the case, we overdid it and wondered why no one ever asked how a parachute survived a descent into 800-degree air.
		We set up operations in Pine Gap, Australia to preclude any prying eyes trying to figure out what we were up to.
		We regularly eliminated, through extreme prejudice, anybody who was part of the operation and made the least little tiny threat about disclosure or satisfaction with the operation.
		Any space mission that included Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Mariner, Voyager, Clementine, and all the rest, all data initially came transmitted to PineGap, and then it was relayed to JPL or wherever after the sanitizing.
		We had a little trouble with amateur radio operators, but we figured out when they figured out how they could intercept these signals, but we managed to deal with that.
		When the Russian threat began to fade, we introduced Vietnam, which kept the public occupied for over 10 years.
		The cover-up in the personnel to run the operation began to get bigger and bigger and required more and more money.
		We were enforced to inflate the defense budget, which soon was not enough.
		Then we got into the drug business, which was still not enough.
		We were the ones that looted the savings and loan industry and Wall Street to boot.
		It is so out of control now.
		Most people want immunity and want out.
		But there is so much secrecy and so many double and triple blinds in place that it is unlikely that this thing can ever be dismantled.
		And even if you give us the go-ahead to spill the beams to the public, it's unlikely they will get anything more than, yes, we recovered a flying saucer and yes, there was an occupant.
		But that's all we're going to tell you.
		So go ahead and roll the tape for Mr. Bell.
		What you see here are the human mutilations look like.
		That one was a male about 27 years old.
		Now that film is of dead aliens being pulled from the wreckage of their craft that crashed in Atlanta, California in the 50s.
		That craft you see over there was over 250 feet in diameter and had to be buried on the spot.
		That site is in Utah near Dugway Proving Grounds.
		The object that you're looking at now is the Kexburg Acorn, which was brought to WrightPat in the middle 60s.
		There's Frank Drake trying to force information out of a being tied down to that stretcher.
	He was supposedly from Tal City.
	These pictures you're looking at now are the structures on the moon.
	That's the tower in Sinus Medai.
	It's over seven miles tall.
	And that thing there is what we call the Colossus of Agurum in Narikusayam.
	We don't know what it does, but the machine itself is bigger than Brooklyn, New York.
	Now those are videos of the domes covering the craters.
	You can see that some are in a very advanced state of decay.
	Now these are five-second slides of the 18 different alien species we are looking at.
	That one there is the most gruesome looking.
	The guards at one facility are carefully indoctrinated over a period of several months, being shown pictures similar to, but not exactly like, the alien.
	Only when they have been acclimatized, so to speak, of the horrible-looking beings, are they allowed to stand in security positions.
	Before these acclimatations were done, we had two guards die of a heart attack as these aliens came down the hallway unexpectedly.
	And this last clip is of the Kennedy assassination.
	You've heard of the second gunman theory.
	Well, this is the second camera that recorded exactly what happened.
	We had four gunmen.
	And the bottom line was Kennedy had to go.
	He insisted on releasing what little alien information we had told him about, and he was trying to withdraw troops from Vietnam, which we were using as a diversion for the public.
	After Kennedy, we never told any president anything.
	Nixon knew because he was briefed as VP in 1952.
	That's how he knew where to take Jackie Gleason to Homestead Air Force Base to see the alien bodies we had storage there.
	And that's about it.
	What way you are, Bill?
	Can we brief the public?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yay or nay?
		My first response would be, having heard even just a quarter of that information, if I really heard it from a legitimate government source that I was about to be killed, I would assume I would be in mortal danger.
		I mean, it's just.
		Any portion of that information would get a person killed if they knew it, much less it's just ludicrous, John.
		I would never be put in such a situation.
		I would never be at such a briefing because such a briefing is never and will never be made ever.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, Art, here's the deal is people want to know.
		They say I can take it.
		Tell me.
		I mean, the public can take it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Now, wait a minute.
		Are you saying let's release it or not?
		You've been given this briefing.
		The government has decided, look, we're tired of covering this thing up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Assume that I really believe they would release it as opposed to killing me.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		They wouldn't kill you if they were giving you a briefing.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		They'd just say, here it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean, once I said no, yes or no, well, I suppose no.
		Once I said no, then I'd have to be killed, wouldn't I?
		Because other people have been killed.
		That was part of your briefing.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but they quit that in 1972.
		Up until 1972, there was 572 people eliminated from the program because they disagreed with the way it was going.
		But after that, they don't kill them anymore.
		What they do, I don't know.
		I have suspicions of what they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you imagine?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Don't bring that into the argument.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you imagine they let people like you on radio shows like this and saying these things?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		The government, the cover-up is so firmly in place now that it's not a threat to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how many people are we talking to?
		It doesn't matter.
		People listen to it and think it's interesting and go on their business.
		But my point is that if you knew the whole story, You wouldn't be pushing for disclosure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I wouldn't.
		Of course, I would not.
		I believe that Brookings was accurate.
		In fact, I believe even more than that.
		I've spent all these years getting emails from talking to people in the Bible Belt, John.
		I talked to a lot of them.
		I know how the fundamentalists feel, and it would turn us upside down.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I agree with you.
		Now, last night I talked with the guy who's heading up the disclosure project in Washington, D.C., and I read him the exact same thing I did to you, and he said, yeah, go for it.
		Let's do it.
		You know, we have a right to know.
		And I'm wondering, you know, how could you possibly think like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, how can he?
		I've asked the same questions, really, I have.
		And you get a wonderful speech in return that also makes sense.
		And you get the patriotic angle.
		You get the, you know, we're part of all that's happening, and we really do have a right to know about these profound issues.
		They're so profound that we have a right to know.
		And the argument sounds good.
		It really does sound good.
		But I also know what would happen if this information is.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're 100% right.
		And that's how I believe.
		And they bring up the argument, well, I'm tired of the government lying to us.
		Well, that's what governments do.
		That's what they're for.
		I mean, they lie to us continually.
		But on this particular issue, they're correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You pretty firmly believe that what you just laid out there, as it was a litany of horrors, to be sure, is pretty much accurate, John?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		You really think that's not?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, I didn't put all the bad stuff in there, but you know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		That's essentially what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought you were going over the top a little with the human mutilations.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It's a fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it happened.
		I hear these dark, quiet, don't quote me, but there have been these things going on type conversations.
		People that I deal with who really do know what is going on have talked very quietly, John, about human mutilations.
		It's just kind of almost at the whisper-in-your-ear stage regarding human mutilations.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And the other thing is, you know, there's no way that the government, suppose they were trying to be forced to make a release, is to say, you know, okay, yeah, we do have something from Oswell, and there was an alien, but that's all we're going to tell you.
		I call it the Pandora's box syndrome.
		You can't open it a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little, yeah.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And that's why the government is so ready to risk, I mean, supreme ridicule, you know, even though one lands in the middle of the city.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, it doesn't exist because they can't open the box even a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's something I'm curious about, John.
		You saw the recent headlines about the Chinese.
		How are we going to stop the Chinese from going to the moon?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know either.
		We might have a lot of control over a great deal of the rest of the world.
		But I'm fairly certain we don't have much control over the Chinese.
		And boy, they're just really getting into space.
		They just announced they're going to be sending a probe to the moon.
		Now, I wonder how cooperative the Chinese are, say, versus the Russians.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I'm glad that's not my problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because at some point, the Chinese are going to be looking at things that I guess we don't want them looking at.
		Or do you suppose that at the very, very highest...
		How does it work, do you suppose?
		Any idea how our elected in quotes government, in effect, takes its instruction from I don't know, but my favorite story about the secret government is, remember Dick D'Amato?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember that name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Dick was the aide, arrogant as he was, to, I think, Senator Byrd.
		And Dick had every compartmentalized clearance you could get.
		And he, you know, he was, you know, the point man for the Senate Armed Services Committee.
		And he's the one that doled out the money to the guys at Groom Lake.
		And he thought he knew everything.
		And then all of a sudden, this stuff comes on TV.
		Lazar works on extraterrestrial craft and stuff going on at Tonopaw.
		And so he comes to Las Vegas, and he sits down and talks with George Knapp and John Andrews and a few of us.
		I wasn't at the meeting.
		And makes the statement, look, there better not be anything going on at Tonopaw right now because that place, as far as we are concerned, is closed.
		There's nothing in the budget.
		Well, he goes up to Groom Lake and supposedly gets a tour.
		And the funny thing was, it was snowing that day.
		I remember it was a Monday.
		And I thought to myself, I wonder where he's going to go.
		And so he came back and the question was, well, what'd you see?
		He said, anything I want.
		Where'd you go?
		Anywhere I want it.
		Well, the thing is, how's he going to know where Papu's Lake is?
		And how's he going to find this?
		I mean, he wouldn't know Papu's Lake from Lake Tahoe.
		But the funny thing is, here, he knew that Tonopa Test Range was supposed to be closed.
		And here, my friends at American Trans-It were flying in six times a day.
		So that night I called up one of the captains.
		I said, hey, what's the deal?
		Did you guys make any flights today?
		And they said, no, Air Force called this morning and shut everything down.
		And that was because just in case D'Amato wanted to go to test Tonopaw, he'd find nothing there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		So here's a guy that had all the clearances, everything.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, The guys that, you know, run this thing weren't going to give him the time of day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it.
		Hold it right there.
		We'll be right back.
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		Just the right kind of night to be doing this interview.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		The End Let me read a little of what I read earlier.
		During the 1980s, John tracked down and found the Army intelligence analyst who read, in fact, says probably by accident, the U.S. government report Grudge 13, which documented the history of the UFO cover-up in details, you know, the whole thing, the saucers, the occupants, all of it.
		John, that was during a time that you were sort of consumed by all of this.
		How did you come to track this man down?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I read the report that he wrote.
		His name was Bill English.
		And it was so real what he wrote about exactly how he opened the document, how it was given to him, what was in it, and so thorough that I wanted to meet the guy.
		So there was no way to find him.
		It turns out that I found out his father was a state senator in Arizona.
		I wrote to his father several times, never heard any answer.
		Then one night I get a call and it says, and the guy says, my understanding is you want to meet with Bill English.
		Can I ask you why?
		And I told him why.
		And he said, let me call you later.
		So I got a call later and the guy says, if you want to meet Bill English, you have to go to such and such airport at such and such time.
		It was in West Virginia, I think, and sit in such and such bench and such and such and such state.
		So I arranged to be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, brother.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And I sat in his bench.
		And I got to tell you, you know, there were some, you know, it was a little teeny airport.
		And here's some guys in three-piece suits walking around.
		Now, what they were there for, I don't know.
		But a guy came over and sat on the other end of the bench, a great big guy in Western clothing and a big jacket.
		It was cold outside.
		And he looked over and said, would you like to have a cup of coffee?
		And I said, sure.
		So we went out, got into his car, and drove to a place, and he introduced himself as Bill English.
		And end up, I stayed, he lived in a trailer on a pig farm.
		And he was essentially in hiding.
		He knew he had done something that the government didn't want.
		And I interviewed him for those two days and satisfied myself that indeed he had, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did he come upon this report?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		He was in a, if I can, you know, I have the report here.
		He was assigned to the RAF listening post north of London as an information analyst.
		And in the course of his duties, he was asked to prepare an analysis of the elusive Grudge 13 report.
		He says he doesn't know why he was given it.
		He said that afterwards he was discharged and sent to the United States.
		And there's no reason why he was given this sentence report.
		Now, a little background on Grudge.
		After Blue Book, after Blue Book was closed, they started the Grudge Reports.
		And Grudge, there was 14 reports, number 1 through 12, and number 14 was released to the public.
		And they were essentially UFO reports.
		And Nothing very interesting.
		And everybody wondered where Grudge 13 went, and the government's position was it was an unlucky number, and no grudge report was assigned that number.
		But in fact, the real information was in Grudge 13.
		I don't have any reason as to why he was given that report, but he reported thoroughly on it, wrote a thing that I read, and then I went and interviewed him.
		It was a very interesting time.
		You know, the guy really had a lot of problems.
		They couldn't find a job.
		The last time I saw him was in Sunspot, New Mexico.
		He lived there with his family in a real dilapidated apartment.
		And, of course, at that time, I didn't have that much money myself, and I couldn't help him very much.
		And that was, let's see, 1988.
		And I haven't heard from him since then.
		But most of these guys like that, whoever talked to me, disappear.
		For instance, the guy that was the photographer in the Air Force in Hawaii.
		And he was assigned TDY to San Bernardino, Norton Air Force Base.
		And he gets to Norton, and he's picked up in a limo with blacked out, and he was with one other photographer, and they picked up with a limo with blacked out windows.
		And they head north.
		And it was a black limo driver, and the black limo driver, about an hour into the drive, looked back and said, so you boys going to see the flying saucers, huh?
		And, you know, they had no idea.
		I mean, that wasn't part of their information or anything.
		So they drive close to 29 Ponds, the marine station there, and the driver drives onto this platform, and it's lowered inside this huge hangar.
		And they get out of the car, and they're asked to go into this little cubicle where they're asked to strip off all their clothing and get into a smock and booties and a hat.
		And then they're given a camera.
		And in the middle of this hangar, in a net, was a UFO, a flying saucer, about 30 feet in diameter.
		And there was a ladder leading up to the hatch.
		So he climbs up into it with the camera behind him.
		And he leans into the hatch.
		And he said to me, he said, John, he said, it was so shocking.
		It was so huge in there that I could have taken a football and thrown it as far as I could and it wouldn't have hit the other side.
		And he said, I backed out to see how big this thing was, and it was only 30 feet.
		And he said, I crawled back in, and there was some scientists standing there, and they told me what to take pictures of.
		And, you know, I took those pictures and eventually went back, changed in the clothing, got the airport, and sent back to Hawaii.
		And he disappeared.
		I never heard from him after he sat in the same room that I'm talking to you from and told me that story and never heard from him again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Odd.
		From David in Portland, an interesting question, one that I would have made it to anyway, but please ask John if Lazar ever mentioned the word containers to him.
		Lazar read about containers in the briefing papers, so the military knows about this as well.
		Containers, ask about the containers.
		This means everything.
		And I guess maybe it does.
		What is the question?
		Well, whether Bob Lazar had ever mentioned that word, containers, to you.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he said these 65 external corrections and that the aliens referred to us as containers, and that was in the briefing.
		Now, remember, when he went to work there, every day he would be taken into this room, and he said there was, you know, 100 or so briefings in small packets.
		Each one was stapled, and it had, you know, maybe 10 or 15 pages.
		And a number of pages would be stapled together at the back.
		In other words, his clearance hadn't progressed to the point where he could read the whole briefing, but he could read a little bit of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this must be the core, or might be the core issue that drives everything.
		That is, who we are.
		I mean, all of these different alien races interested in us.
		Now, you know, we're something, but it doesn't seem like we're that much unless our souls have value.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, if I haven't made it clear, we are an experiment.
		We're their experiment.
		And it's been going on for hundreds of thousands of years.
		And the experiment is with a soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're their experiment, but yet we have souls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, John.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		The souls are real.
		They go on forever and ever.
		They're recycled.
		You have many, many, many past lifetimes, but for some reason, we're not allowed to remember those.
		We can't profit from previous lifetimes.
		Now, every once in a while, there's a short circuit, and people do remember very clearly lifetimes that happened 500 years ago.
		They can go back to England.
		They can trace names.
		They can give you names, people in the cemetery, who they were there, the whole thing.
		So there's no doubt about the soul goes on forever and ever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it must be at the core of all the interest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the big question is, why are they so damn interested in us that they would dissect us, mutilate users?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, wait a minute.
		Don't confuse the dissecting and mutilating with the people who are doing the experiment.
		That's somebody else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you say the people doing the experiment.
		What about the word God?
		I mean, are they...
		very disturbing concept.
		Or do you hold out that there would be Do you hold out there would be a God separate from.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, that's opinion.
		No, there's not anybody else.
		There's us them.
		Now, I'm going to get a lot of flack over that, but in fact, you know, that's the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the story that never can be told, right?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And that's why they can't let the first thing out, because it's all going to lead up to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you, at some point, I don't know, 10 years ago, get completely satisfied?
		Did you, like, sit down at your desk one day and say, okay, for John Lear, I know as much as I need to know now.
		I'm satiated, book closed?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		That was part of it.
		And part of it was the continual and there's a word for it, very harassment.
		Very subtle harassment.
		Very subtle.
		Nothing you could put your finger on, but nothing went right.
		And then when I quit talking about it, things improved, got a job, and as long as I kept my mouth shut, everything was fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now you just don't have that.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And then Art Bell calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That risk.
		Do you think that risk is still there?
		I mean, yes, you're retired and you don't have a job to lose at the moment, but hey, there are other aspects of your life.
		Are you at all concerned that they will not like this?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		They will not like it, but it's a one-time shot.
		I want to discuss this thing about disclosure and why I don't think it's the right thing.
		And, you know, it's opinion only.
		And I think if I leave it at that, that's fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, if what we just discussed, if in fact we perhaps rightly ought to be thinking of them as God in the sense of the word, I guess, of our creators.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no.
		Don't confuse that.
		They want us to think of God and Jesus and Mary and all that in the context that they made all that.
		They made the religion they gave us, the Ten Commandments, all that, merely so that we wouldn't hurt ourselves while the experiment is going on.
		But as soon as we figure out that it's them, then the experiment, for all I know, may be over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Terminated?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, they might decide to clean out the Petri dish and say, well, boy, you know, that was a mistake.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Let's do another one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if they consider us in that manner as a mistake.
		Any clues as to how the experiment is going?
		No.
		No.
		I look at the environment, and maybe the picture isn't big enough, but I see, gee, the North Pole melting, the Antarctic melting, all these really weird things going on right now in our environment.
		And that would seem to be a real troubled spot for us.
		But again, I may not be looking at a big enough picture.
		I don't know.
		I mean, does that give us a failing grade?
		Is there some greater thing that we are to attain for them?
		I wonder what the nature of the experiment is, John.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't even to know what the experiment was about.
		And the reason is because every time you learn something new, the first thing the guy who's going to tell it is, well, to understand this, first you have to know about so-and-so.
		Do you know about so-and-so?
		No.
		So then they have to explain such-and-such.
		So since I don't know such-and-such, I can't possibly presume to know what the experiment is about.
		Do you understand?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
		But I do.
		That is something I do want to know.
		I mean, if all the rest of this is true, then I want to understand what we're living.
		I guess we all want to understand that.
		Obviously, the information that they set up God and Jesus and all of that for us to control the experiment.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Now you've got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a total killer.
		I mean, information of that sort would, I think, destroy the world.
		As we know it.
		It certainly would destroy the world as we know it.
		And then, so were these other religions, I mean, was all of man's religion Buddha, all the rest of it Buddhism?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I can only say probably because the only thing that Bob read in the document is the aliens sent Jesus and two others, and he told the names.
		And I can't remember what the names were.
		They were associated with other religions, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me give you this to chew on.
		I interview a really bright guy who annoys the hell out of my audience when I have him on.
		His name is Matthew Alper.
		And it is his contention, John, that we are wired to worship.
		Wired to worship.
		That there is some aspect of the human brain.
		And sure enough, you can go find some tribe that hasn't been touched by man, and they worship something, the sun, the moon, the wind, whatever.
		They worship something, in some cases making sacrifices.
		In other words, everybody is wired to grasp this belief that we cannot deal with the concept of mortality, and so the brain in its own defense is wired to worship.
		And he takes a lot of flack for that.
		But doesn't that kind of make sense with what you just said about our creators and the experiment and all the rest wired to worship?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't agree that we're wired, but we certainly have to.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we have to hold on to something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes.
		We have to hold on to something.
		Well, if you were our creators and you were setting up the experiment, you might wire your experiment to have religious beliefs, to tend toward having to have religious belief for the whole control thing.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It's a possibility.
		One of the interesting things that Bob read in the documents is of the three that were sent down for these religious, you know, various religions, one was killed.
		And he said he read 18 pages of the search that the aliens made to find him.
		And throughout the 18 pages, it was fraught with the idea that they couldn't believe that mankind had destroyed this individual that they spent so much time making.
unidentified		Hmm.
unidentified		Uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've given me and everybody an awful lot to try and digest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess it's your contention that this is so indigestible for most people that they'll treat it as just so far beyond belief that that's why the cover-up's in no danger, just because it's so far out and because people's faith in religion will cause them to just reject it.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		The bottom line is, you know, as irritating is it's none of their business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		None of their business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But on the other hand, for some of us, like you, for example, it is your business, or you've made it your business.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I used to.
		Now I'm content to go to my cabin at Gold Butte where there is not a single human being for 60 miles and just sit there and enjoy the mountainside and the animals and everything.
		It's really nice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember you're telling people at one point just exactly that.
		You know, just sort of dismiss this stuff that we've been talking about and go enjoy your life.
		Something like that, right?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold on, John.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		My guest is John Lear, and this is some pretty rough stuff tonight.
		But then again, that's what we do here.
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		Good morning.
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		Paula in Kansas City, Missouri writes, Hey Art, John's hypothetical briefing was a trial balloon of the real briefing.
		Your answer should be yes.
		It's about time we all face the truth together.
		People will still believe in an overall God as the creator of the universe.
		Religions will adapt.
		What do you think about that, John?
		Religions will adapt.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It surprises me because I talked to Steve Bassett last night in the Disclosure Project, and he said the same thing.
		He said, hey, let's go for it.
		Let's tell him.
		And I wouldn't.
		I mean, if it lied my decision, I would.
		There's too many scary things.
		I mean, you know, we've got enough problems with everything going on that we don't need to inject one more, regardless of whether the government's been lying to us all these years.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, John, it's been, it has been 10 years, and so there are probably things that you, Are there any more things you're able to talk about today than you were, say, 10 years ago?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Not that I can think right off.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I can't think of anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you hit us with 911.
		That surprised me.
		But I mean, surely, in other words, the things that you couldn't talk about 10 years ago, which were quite a few, I mean, I hit a few brick walls with you.
		There are still brick walls.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, refresh my memory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's see.
		You're going to test me.
		I do remember there were brick walls, and now you're calling me to test.
		What were they?
		Well, I don't know if I ever asked you about what people are calling chemtrails, but since you're a commercial pilot, that'd be a cool question.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		You know, I don't know too much about that, and I didn't follow it closely.
		The one thing that I did read was that apparently somebody found something.
		The FAA found something at Boeing in Seattle in the production line of the 737, and there was going to be an investigation of what in the world all that stuff was that was not conforming to the drawings, and you know reason why it was there, and I didn't hear a thing after that.
		Now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you would know a lot more about contrails than the average person being a commercial pilot, probably somehow or another.
		You'd know a lot about contrails.
		Has there been, in recent years, something in contrails that is abynormal, that's different?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I'm not trying to cast dispersions on the people who study the contrails, but, you know, contrails are contrails.
		There's so many airplanes in the sky that, you know, I don't see anything.
		And I've looked at a lot of these crisscrossing contrails, and I think, well, you know, maybe, but, you know, I just, it didn't become a part of my interest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, there were certain attributes that were said to accompany some of these things that might be seen as contrails, but really contained different chemicals.
		And one can imagine, I mean, after all, our climate is going berserk right now.
		It may be that somebody in our government recognizes that fact.
		There have been various theories.
		One is climate modification of some sort.
		Another would be mass inoculations in view of terrorist threats or something like that.
		And after all, there is a history of our government having conducted experiments on its own people.
		There's a long, rich history of that, John.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you never really specifically paid enough attention to suggest there might be more to some contrails than would appear to be the case.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not saying that there couldn't be.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It's just that, you know, I don't, you know, it's not in my interest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's another person who objects.
		And Larry up in Canada says, you know, if it could be proven 100% for sure, no doubt that there's no eternity, that this is it, do you think everybody would suddenly go out and begin to kill that nasty neighbor or idiot co-worker?
		Serious question we're thinking about.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what do you mean by this is it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that this is it, that this life is all there is.
		Of course, you're not saying that.
		I think he read something into what we were saying, and I understand you're not saying that.
		You are acknowledging we have an eternal soul, or a soul, at any rate.
		And so I guess that question is really in a way up in smoke.
		But even if all that you've laid out for us in that briefing were known, I guess a question would be, would suddenly people go nuts to the point that they'd go out and kill or riot or whatever?
		Some people are saying no, they wouldn't.
		I mean, that people would continue to behave basically the way they behave every day.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Possibly.
		But I'm not going to take the chance.
		Are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no.
		I gave you my answer.
		I really have carefully considered, not with as much information as you laid on the table, but I've carefully considered it.
		And having talked to so many fundamentalists, maybe my opinion is skewed for that reason, but I know the passion of these beliefs and how such information would be greeted and dealt with by enough of a minority.
		I mean, you know, countries are overthrown by small percentages of people.
		So, yeah, my answer is no.
		I wouldn't release the information.
		John, are you going to do anything else?
		Are you going to, now that you've got time in your hands, you're retired, you could start digging again?
		Or are you sort of saying there's no point in digging anymore because I know as much as I need or even want to know?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm satisfied.
		That doesn't mean there isn't a huge volume of more information.
		It's that I am personally satisfied.
		I am personally satisfied to go up and sit in my cabin and spend the rest of my life looking at the deer and the quail and getting the gold mining operation going.
		This is, you know, this is.
		I'm satisfied.
		You know as much as I need to know.
		That doesn't mean there isn't a volume.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		All right, let's talk about gold for a second.
		You know the name Sitchin, of course.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Zachariah has been on the show a number of times, and I know his story really well with regard to what he believes our history is, which was that we were created early on as gold miners.
		And I don't know why.
		It's such a crazy story, you know, with the planet that comes zooming by every now and then and that we were created for this gold mining purpose.
		But I do know that humans have an unnatural attraction to gold.
		You can hold gold in your hand and you can feel, I don't know, I don't know, there's something special when you hold a piece of gold in your hand.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, William Bramley came up with the same idea in The Gods of Eden, where he hypothesized that we were being bred as slaves.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't mean slaves to dig gold, but that was part of the hypothesis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is something special about gold, John.
		I don't know what, but maybe as a gold miner, you can comment on that.
		Do you feel it?
		When you hold gold, is there something abnormally special about it?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, my gold is the load.
		And, you know, it passes.
		All we're doing is passing across the table once and we get a concentrate, and we take that somewhere else to get them doing refining.
		So, actually, I don't get to feel gold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But in your life, I'm sure you've held some gold in your hand.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I have that gold bracelet I got in Laos.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you are.
		How much work during your career?
		Yeah, here comes a brick wall.
		How much work have you done for the CIA, John?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, as I said, I flew in Laos, and then I did that, you know, when you say for the CIA, everything after Vietnam, when Air America went on strike with the agency, the agency after that went all to, you know, contract carriers.
		And the story that I'll tell you, the only reason I can tell you is because it's published in a book called Private Warriors by Silverstein that was put out two years ago.
		And somehow this guy found out the story and got to the log books and found out the whole thing.
		But in 1977, Somalia had traditionally been supported by Russia.
		And Ethiopia, we had traditionally supported them.
		As a matter of fact, we had a space tracker station there.
		And it came that, and the Russians had built a deepwater port on the Red Sea called Berber.
		Well, there was a rebels causing a lot of problem in Ethiopia, and Russia sent some people in there to, or sent soldiers into there to support the rebels.
		Now, this really angered Somalia that the Russian, their ally, would support their lifelong mortal enemy.
		So they kicked the Russians out.
		And at that time, and still, the name of the game was property on the Red Sea, because if the Persian Gulf is ever, the Straits of Hormoz is ever cut off, then the only way oil can flow is down through the Red Sea.
		So you want to have property there to be sure that that happens.
		They have big pipelines that go from Saudi Arabia south to the Red Sea just for that reason.
		So we went in there and said, hey, you know, we'll help you.
		We went into Somalia and said, you know, we'll help you.
		And so we started supporting Somalia mainly because we wanted that deep water port in Berber, which we got.
		And I was part of the, well, what happened is Somalia now gets to ready to fight Ethiopia again, which they do traditionally.
		And they're armed with East Block guns, and they don't have any East Block ammunition.
		Same thing with Ethiopia.
		They don't have any West Block ammunition.
		So there was a high-level trade or high-level agreement at the highest levels to send East Block ammunition to Somalia.
		And I was part of that.
		We flew 707 loads for two or three months from Budapest down, we refueled in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, and then on down to Somalia and delivered it there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't some of that pretty dangerous stuff?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It was dangerous, and we were briefed at the beginning.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		If you get into any trouble, if you're forced down, don't call us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't call us.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, that's the deal.
		That's the deal.
		That's why you get all that money.
		Don't call us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Over the years, John, how aware of buy-air, drug and gun running have you been?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand the question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Over the years in the airline industry and piloting, how massive, I guess I should say, is it understood that drugs and guns are regularly smuggled?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Oh, all the time.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's different now because a lot of the drugs come from South America, and they have so many ways to get it into the United States that it's just an impossible task to keep it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		any thoughts on the uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		the war on drugs as far as Is this a war we should be even fighting?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not worth fighting.
		I don't know whether I'd go as far as to say legalize it, but they're up against a brick wall.
		It's an extremely big problem.
		And how are they going to solve it?
		I don't know, if at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to do any more flying, John?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I may do a little.
		I contract out to ferry 10-11s here and there, but at 60, you know, you're limited to what you can do.
		You can't fly for the airlines anymore.
		It's mandatory retirement.
		And the airline that I worked for, Kayok International, went bankrupt in May of 2000.
		So essentially, I've been out of work since then.
		It was two years until I turned 60.
		I had one more fling.
		And I say fling because it was fun.
		I flew an L1011 for a Cambodian company that had a contract with Air India to take the Hajis from all over India to Saudi Arabia for the Hajj in 2001.
		And it was fun.
		I had a great crew.
		They were great runs.
		They were, you know, six to eight hours.
		We had good hotels.
		There was, you know, little or no paperwork.
		And it was fun.
		I enjoyed it.
		It was the last flame that I had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you really miss it now?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No, I don't miss flying.
		I don't miss the constant, you know, am I going to bust an altitude?
		Am I going to, I'm trying to think of the word they go when you make a mistake on an airport.
		I forget what they call it, but it's a constant battle to be sure you don't screw up.
		And, you know, I did my 40 years, and I'm glad it's over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		40 years.
		That's a lot of flying, John.
		How many miles?
		Any idea?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, no mile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think every now and then you'd sit down and think about, well, maybe how many has it been?
unidentified		How many million or whatever?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you think people tonight are going to react to a lot of what you've said?
		I mean, we're going to get to phone lines here shortly.
		What do you think the reaction will be like?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I really don't know.
		I've said a lot of things.
		I can back up most of it.
		And I'm just really surprised with the information I gave that people say, yeah, hey, let's go for it.
		I want to know the truth.
		And that surprises me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you'll hear a lot of them here shortly.
		It really does surprise me, too.
		And if you did what you did to me tonight, and that is put a person actually in that spot receiving that information and saying, what would your decision be?
		I don't know.
		I just don't think the average person really could say that.
		And yet they are.
		More and more.
		They're saying, come on, let's bust it wide open.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the disclosure project will succeed.
		I can't imagine that it would, because no matter how many retired military officers, including general officers that are willing to testify in front of Congress, you know, if they get immunity, you know, the people that run this thing have it so locked up, and there's so many things at stake.
		I can't imagine them letting go of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people, of course, say, how could anything this big, this monstrous, be held secret?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, we've heard that argument for years and years, and my answer to that is if you read the papers, if you're reasonably well-informed, if you read a couple of magazines and listen to the news, you know about 5% of what's going on.
		And that's a maximum.
		There is so much secret stuff going.
		You know, in the 1960s, they had a big conference with the military and civilian contractors that everything had to move underground because of the fact that too many people were too observant.
		They could see trucks.
		They could see tanks.
		They could see supplies moving above ground.
		So everything went underground.
		And the massive transportation systems underground are just, people wouldn't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, a lot of people in the area that I live in, which is not that far from, as you know, as you're not, from the secret areas, they detect these underground, deep rumblings beneath our feet here in the desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're suggesting there's good reason for that.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		I think that in 1989 is when Bob and I met a truck driver who came to us to tell us a story.
		And they were making these huge caverns under the test site.
		And what they would do is set off these atomic bombs that were super clean, that didn't leave any radiation at all.
		And then they'd go down and they'd clean it out, and they'd put walls.
		And I think the things went down like a mile.
		And his job as a driver would be to drive the cement truck around this circular road all the way down to the bottom, pour cement, then wind all the way back up.
		And I think there were eight of them up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do we really have bombs that are that clean?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Supposedly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
		You would think such a clean bomb would have contemporary uses above ground.
		Or is that just something that is going to also be held secret, I guess, the fact that we even possess such things?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, I saw a picture the other day on the internet of the bomb in Indonesia and the crater that it made.
		And the argument was that this was a mini-nuclear clean bomb.
		And if the picture was real, I mean, normal explosives didn't make that.
		It had to be something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
		All right, John, hold on.
		We're headed toward the top of the hour, and I am going to open the phone lines, and we're going to get your reaction and your questions and your comments about all of this.
		And it should be indeed interesting after such an incredible briefing to see how all of you out there are assimilating this information.
		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a very unusual opportunity for you to ask John Lear a Question.
		A very rare opportunity.
		Those are the phone numbers.
		In a moment, we'll begin.
unidentified		In a moment, we'll begin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, you know, I understand it seems incredibly counterintuitive that somebody like myself would do a program like this about this subject, digging for this information, concentrating and boring in on this incredible topic, wanting to know the story, wanting to know the facts, wanting to know the truth.
		And yet, when I'm read a litany of the truth, and then here are, what do you want to do?
		Do you want to release this or not?
		I end up saying, no, I understand.
		That seems very, very, very counterintuitive.
		But it's my honest response.
		And I'm telling you, if you doubt, I would go back, you folks, and listen to the briefing that John gave me and put yourself in the seat, listen to all that information, and then really, really tell me, tell John, send me an email.
		I don't care.
		Would you really release that information understanding what it would do?
		Put yourself in the position and then answer the question.
		Maybe it's counterintuitive.
		I don't know.
		All right.
		John, people want to talk to you.
		Ask some questions.
		Would that be all right?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It'd be interesting.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with John Lear.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		Oh, hi.
unidentified		My first name is Dan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Dan?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm one of the 21 top secret military witnesses who went to Washington to testify the Disclosure Project back in 2001.
		I met with John in Rachel, Nevada, about 10 years ago with a group of Bob Bazaar.
		There was a top-secret document that was directed to Magite Control regarding that meeting in the disclosure book.
		I just wanted to say that one of the things I did, I handled a fax thing on the Disclosure Project website, and we've got over 20,000 faxes that went into Washington.
		And I personally met with senators in Congress on Capitol Hill.
		And the response has been, and I monitor all the responses, and it's been nothing greater than, thank you, we'll keep your views in mind.
		I just wanted to thank John for coming out after 10 years, and just wanted to let him know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many thousand faxes went?
unidentified		20,000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		20,000 faxes.
		Okay, John, if you could talk to, I don't know, maybe Dr. Greer, for example, and you were to sit down with Dr. Greer and talk to him about what he's doing.
		What would you say to him?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Now, Dr. Greer, is he the disclosure project?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, yes.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		All the best.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just wish him all the best, huh?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It's not my decision.
		All I told you is what I would do.
		Now, those guys, you know, the retired military officers that want to get this out, you know, all the best.
		I'm just glad it's not my decision.
		I know what they went through.
		I know all the stuff and the reasons why it should be done.
		And, you know, I wish them all the best.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with John Lear.
		Good morning.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Hi, Arn.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		My name is Pam.
unidentified		I'm from Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you sure are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hon. What's up?
unidentified		This is concerning 911.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		My husband is a Muslim from Iraq.
		And he has told me things since 9-1-1 that has really kept me upset.
		And I'm beginning to believe now that I've heard from John that he is right.
		He told me that bin Laden was not responsible for the towers.
		He told me that it had something to do with the government.
		And I could not believe that our government would have anything to do with this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of position is your husband in to know these facts?
unidentified		I don't know.
		He is on the news all the time.
		He gets on his computer and pulls up that Al JaZera, I don't know how you say it, paper.
		And of course, he and his friends talk all the time.
		He calls Iraq all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are, in fact, thank you.
		There are many people who believe, as you do, John, or are coming to believe that, that there's a great untold story about the whole 911 thing.
		And I guess there is.
		Do you ever think there'll be full disclosure on that?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, not in a million years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not in a million years.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Any more than the full disclosure on the TWA-800.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		That thing was covered up was just disgraceful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In your opinion, there was no question it was a missile that brought that airplane down.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely no question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with John Lear.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, East of the Rockies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Wonderful.
		Art Bell, what a pleasure and a privilege.
		John Lear, yes, I would have to agree that not in a million years the government would admit to 9-11.
		I think in some odd, twisted way, we need the financing to have a somewhat rational reason to extend our power.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now, realize I'm not saying our government had anything to do with that.
unidentified		No, no, I would agree.
unidentified		However, your information, and are you presently kind of go out to the country and look at the deer and enjoy the simplistic ideas of life?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		That's what I like.
unidentified		I love that, too.
		And Henry David Thoreau did that in a lot of things.
		And he was said to be someone that was against society.
		And sometimes, you know, we fear what we don't understand.
		And I think, you know, kudos to both of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Well, thank you very much.
		John, the war itself with Iraq.
		any comments on the war with iraq uh...
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I had two comments.
		Let's see if I can remember them.
		I can't.
		Ask me a little while later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it the Rockies, you're on the.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I remember.
		All right.
		Number one, it's my opinion that Saddam Hussein died three years ago of limb cancer.
		And number two, we were tricked into that war.
		And that's all I'm going to say about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, tricked into the war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on there with John Lear.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay.
		How are you?
		And where are you?
unidentified		I'm, God, I'm doing great.
unidentified		My name is Barbara, and I'm from Laguna Beach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Barbara.
unidentified		California.
		Right.
		And you gentlemen are just a pleasure to listen to tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I grew up around this stuff.
		My father was in SAC for over 30 years and he's got about 13 years on Mr. Lear.
		But the one thing I was really curious about is, is he ever thinking about writing a book about this?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Sir, no.
		Because I would love to send that to my dad.
		I'd do everything to try to shake my dad up.
		Please won't give me any answers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you very much for the call.
		It is an interesting question in a way, John.
		Almost everybody who does the kind of stuff that you did with Bob and others and is aware of the kind of information you have.
		Everybody writes a book, but you're not going to do it, huh?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me answer it this way.
		I once proposed after, while this thing was going on with Bob Lazar, a little thing we could do to harass Area 51.
		He said, John, we've tickled that dragon enough.
unidentified		Yes.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		That's my answer as far as a book.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I've tickled the dragon enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		First time caller line, you're on there with John Lear.
		Good morning.
		Hello?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Hello, Hart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		What a pleasure to speak to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Mr. Lear.
		I do have a question.
		You were saying that perhaps we may be someone else's experiment.
		By extension, and I realize this is a bit over the top, but what do you think the possibility is that perhaps whoever they are, the entire universe is their experiment, in which case, for all practical purposes, they would be gods?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Possibly.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		That's a very good point of view.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is a point of view.
		And that would make them gods.
		But I mean, I just finished a reading book, a very interesting book, called The Daughter of God, the premise being there were two Saviors, and the further premise being that the Catholic Church went to extraordinary lengths, including murder, to prevent that information from ever getting out, that it would so destroy belief systems.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Which information?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That there had been a second Savior.
		In fact, that the second Savior had been not male but female, and hence the name, the title of the book, The Daughter of God.
		But even that kind of information would be so disruptive to society in general that people would be killed to prevent its release.
		That there were, you know, the premise of the book was that there were hardcore facts that such a savior existed.
		And of course, you can imagine, at any rate, I don't want to ruin the book for anybody, but that would be disruptive information.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air with John Lear.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		It's so great to have you, Rod.
		My question to Listen Lear is this.
		Some time ago, a couple of years ago, you know, like most Art Bell fans, I fell asleep on the show and I woke up, so I don't know exactly who said this.
		But I woke up and I heard somebody say that the United States government was abducting people to work as slaves on the moon.
		It's bad enough if it's aliens, but our own government.
		Have you heard of this?
		Do you know whose theory this is?
		How do they families of the world?
		How do they work into your general theories as well?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've not heard such a rumor, John.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't heard that.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like somebody might say that, but I haven't heard that particular rumor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, in the briefing that you gave me earlier, you clearly alluded to the fact that we'd had dealings with the aliens, that a deal had been cut to allow some abductions for whatever motivation and reason they wanted to do them in return for technology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that still the case, as far as you know, that we're being more or less shut out from getting this new technology that was promised?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		You know, that was, I heard that about 15 years ago, and Linda Moltenhow was the one that originally gave me that information.
		Whether it's still going on, I don't know.
		I do know that the technology we have, not only at our test site, and let me explain that Area 51 is just one of about 30 AAOs air access only.
		At least there were 10, 15 years ago, and I'm sure there's at least that many.
		So all kinds of technology is going on.
		The problem is it's all so secret that they can't use any of it.
		I read a story in the First Gulf War that they had all kinds of stuff that they could use, but it was so secret they couldn't get a clearance to use it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
		In an age where we're beginning to wonder where our next kilowatt is coming from, when the amount of coal and oil, or at least oil available in the world, is going to be, I don't know, 30 or 40 years within or even before that, it's going to start to choke us, and we need technological advance because we need power.
		So do you suppose some of this, I mean, you do have to suppose almost that some of these propulsion systems, for example, John, could be used to provide the power that the world needs and may have to end up going to war over if we don't get.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, but we can't make it.
		In other words, I mean, there's abundant power in antimatter reactors, but we don't have any way to contain it or make the fuel necessary.
		Now, they can, you know, the aliens can give us, you know, 100 megawatt generators of the size of a hundred megawatt generators of the size of an ice chest, but that's just one.
		I don't think they'd supply them abundantly to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with John Lear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Mike from Milwaukee.
		I just want to ask Mr. Lear a question.
		Okay.
		Has he ever heard of James P. Hogan, the writer that wrote Inherit the Stars?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't.
unidentified		Okay, he wrote a very book called Inherit the Stars.
		That was all about a planet that's supposedly where the asteroid belt is, was once a planet with humans on it, of course, and they became a space-faring race, and they moved then from there after they blew up their own planet as a war-mongering people.
		They moved on to Mars and then colonized it, and then, of course, that lost its atmosphere, and then they had scientists or whatever on the moon, our moon, that was actually around their planet in the first place, and it kept moving toward until Earth grabbed it.
		Anyway, this whole story sounds like basically what you're talking about, about the aliens, saying that they created us way back, long, long, long before we were even on the Earth.
		And that's where we get our so-called the pyramids and the statues on Easter Island and all the other, you know, the Atlantis story and all these kind of things.
		It makes more sense than what you're putting out there.
		Well, then, of course, realizing that word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, Colin.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		That's possible.
		I wanted to comment on the pyramids.
		I spent two years living in Cairo, 1981 and 1982.
		And in those days, I was pretty well uninformed.
		And I remember crawling around the pyramids and looking at the absolute enormity of them and how closely the stones fit.
		And at that time, I certainly believed that a thousand, a million Egyptians rolled them up on logs up there.
		And now I look back and I wonder how I could have been so stupid like that.
		I mean, it's just impossible.
unidentified		I totally agree.
		So you're basically telling me after all these years of finally finding out that I'm just a Lilo and Stitch Experiment 626, right?
		And the vessel that I'm walking around in is, you know, I wait in line and get back and get another vessel after I'm done with this one, right?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		All right.
		That makes my life perfect.
		Thanks.
		I love that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope the current vessel occupancy is well for you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Art, thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, take care.
		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there with John Lear.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Rob calling from San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yo, Rob.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Pleasure to hear you back.
		I'm there again.
		I've been listening to you on and off for about eight years since I was a teenager in Anchorage, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's been a while.
unidentified		Yes.
		My comment on the subject goes to the morality of telling the truth and of government not telling the truth.
		And I heard the argument about disruption of society as an argument for not releasing the truth.
		But in my opinion, the morality of telling the truth outweighs those possible consequences.
		And yes, there would be disruption, but ultimately, how many lives are wasted pursuing ideas that our government knows not to be true?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The moral argument, John, for the release of the information, when you look at it and balance the moral question, obviously it comes out weighted on the side of not telling, right?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me explain it this way.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Have I talked about the ant farm yet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, go ahead and talk about the ant farm.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Remember how we used to have these little ant farms with the glass on both sides?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had one.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So you're walking by one day, and if you could talk to the ant, the ant there is staring out the window.
		He says, hey, what's going on?
		And you say nothing.
		He says, wait a minute.
		I have a right to know the truth.
		I want to know what's going on.
		What are you going to tell them?
		You've been an ant farm?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in an ant farm.
		If I chose to shake this right now, you'd all be toast.
		I don't know.
		I've stepped on many of your kind without even thinking about it.
		I don't know.
		There wouldn't be anything you could tell those ants that would console them with regard to their position.
unidentified		Right.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		So why tell them anything?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So why tell them anything?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there they are working and building those tunnels and everything.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		And they look out the window and see somebody and say, hey, what's going on?
unidentified		Tell me the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, there really wouldn't be any upside to it.
		As it was, John, my aunt farms frequently expired overnight.
		I mean, I'd come the next morning and look for all the busy little work, and all I'd see is little bodies.
		Hold on, John, we're at the bottom of the hour.
		Be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you wanted an interview with John Lear, and I'd say tonight, you definitely got your money's worth.
		It's not quite over yet.
		One more segment to go.
		Coming back in a moment, John Lear.
unidentified		John Lear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The End Already, I'm getting hundreds of fast blasts requesting written copies of what John Lear said.
		John Lear's briefing.
		People are trying to figure out how to get to it on Streamlink, and they're going to dissect every single word of that briefing.
		And Lexi in Seattle, Washington says, hey, Art, come on, ants, don't ponder the big question.
		Humans do need to know the truth collectively so that they can work on improving their situation.
		If we've been deceived, we need to know in order to find a solution or a way out.
		Don't deny us that.
		Well, I think John's just saying that he knows what he knows, which he laid out for you, and he's at terms with it.
		And at 60 years old, he's just decided he's going to enjoy life.
		And there is that, isn't there, John?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and let me make one small correction here.
		When I mentioned the second company that I had problems with over this UFO stuff, it was not Lockheed.
		It was a government contractor that I was flying a Lockheed L1011.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		10-11.
		Okay.
		All right.
		Back to the phones.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with John Lear.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Mr. Caller.
unidentified		Gentlemen, it's an honor to be a part of such an incredible program with you, Art Bell and John Lear.
		First of all, I chuckled when you mentioned about the ant farms.
		I knew Milton Levine, Uncle Miltie's ant farms, you remember?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
unidentified		He was in Hollywood.
		He'd send the people in the vans out in the desert.
		He'd pay them a penny apiece for every ant they brought back in.
		John, God bless you.
		I'm sitting here.
		I'm kind of choked up.
		I'm looking at a photo with your dad, Bill, and myself in his office at Stead at the airbase there.
		And also another photo with John Lear.
		You remember the geologist in his tungsten specialty?
		And also Sam Old with the Lear fan.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And myself.
		And I go back over 40 years with many of the mines, the gold mines and tungsten mines.
		A lot of things you talked about, I was a part of.
		Also with your mother, I offered to put up the money to make the movie about your dad's life, and she thought that Robert Ehrlich would have played a good role of your dad.
		And there's so much I'd like to talk to you about.
		I'd love to shake your hand.
		I'd love to shake art saying I've been listening to art since the beginning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's been a long road.
		Thank you very much.
		I guess somebody you knew in the past, John?
		Or ran into somewhere, obviously.
		Yeah.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you very much for those kind comments.
		I can't believe it.
		I thought all I was going to get was flack tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, you never know on these lines.
		You really, honestly, never know, John.
		First time caller align, you're on the air with John Lear.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yes, hello.
		Is this the first time caller align?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		It is, yes.
unidentified		Well, my name is Ronnie, and perhaps you're going to be able to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ronnie, where are you?
unidentified		I'm located in Santa Clarita, California.
		Okay.
		And I might be giving John some plaque tonight.
		I'd be the one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's hear it.
unidentified		Well, first of all, I want you to know that I'm of the Aganazi.
		And we call ourselves today the Aganae, and I know completely what's going on.
		And John's knowledge is peripheral, to say the least.
		This whole universe is the hands of Lucifer.
		These that we are seeing are the watchers, and Lucifer has a hold of them.
		And what Lucifer is looking for is he's looking for DNA, and he's looking for clone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you then think that all these acts, these ships and these creatures, and they're all instruments of Lucifer?
unidentified		That is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		Okay.
		Well, there you go, John.
		So I don't know whether he knows it or not, but he's making our case.
		I say our case because you and I do agree on disclosure.
		And I think that does make our case.
		I mean, there he is.
		There's the caller.
		This is all the act of the devil.
		And I've joked in the past, John.
		If a saucer landed and the ramp came down and a little green guy started walking down the ramp, that caller and his brethren would fill that little green guy full of so much lead, he'd never get to the bottom of the ramp.
		So, I mean, it's not funny.
		It's real.
		There are people who feel that all of this is the act of the devil, of Lucifer, and they would act.
		Wild Carline, you're on the air with John Lear.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		Going once.
		Going twice.
		Are you there?
		Yes.
		You better answer pretty quick.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pick up that phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't talk to people on those.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's a little better.
unidentified		Okay, let me turn it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just pick up the phone.
unidentified		All right, hang on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jeez, you're going to go on a radio show.
		You don't use those things.
		All right.
unidentified		Yeah, I was just wondering if Art, you know, or John, might have any idea as to maybe why there's so much government opposition to the NRA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's a political question.
unidentified		Well, I was just thinking, we as a human species have something as precious as a soul.
unidentified		I know I would fight these aliens with every source available instead of being shipped off on some train to some work farm or to be experimented on or butchered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, in a way, that's a point, John, in a way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, a certain part of the human race, if they really thought that we were everything that you described, would want to fight to the last drop of blood.
unidentified		For our soul?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess against being continued to experiment on.
		In other words, we would want to be free.
		We would want to not imagine there are those experimenting on us and dabbling with us, and we would fight the bastards and kill them.
		You know, that's kind of what he was saying.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, it's not our soul.
		It's theirs.
		So you might have temporary use of it, but it belongs to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what that answer.
		All right.
		Is it the Rockies?
		You're on the air with John Lear.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes.
		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I am in Illinois.
		Okay.
		And my name is Laverne.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Laverne.
unidentified		And I am an opponent of this thing.
		Back in the 1850s, people who hated Yahweh and Yeshua were quick to adopt Darwin's evolutionary theory to their own scientific ventures and made it look like it was scientific itself.
		But now that Darwin's theory has been effectively disproven, new theories are being brought forth, lest the people should again give Yahweh Yeshua the glory.
		And this is Satan's work as far as I'm concerned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the call and the reinforcement.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Arrest my case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I know.
		And I hope people are listening to this.
		I mean, out of the few calls that we've taken, there already is, I don't know, factor two into how many we've taken.
		And these people would shoot aliens.
		They'd kill aliens.
		They would, as quickly as they could, brand them as instruments of the devil himself and go after them.
		So, hey.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there with John Lear.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your name?
unidentified		My name is Gillian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gillian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Rockland, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, rock on then.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Listen, while I was dialing, because I was going to ask a different question, but as I was dialing, Mr. Leah had a question about 9-11.
		And someone asked him, and I wish I could ask my original question, but this has got me so curious.
		Someone asked him a question about 9-11, and would he tell?
		And he said, and I couldn't get the whole question, and that's why I stayed on the phone for an hour.
		But he said something like, no, I would never in a million years tell you.
		And I would love to know what he meant by that and why he said it.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would assume the answer, John, would remain the same.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't remember.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that had to do with 9-11.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller align, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you're on.
unidentified		My name is Nancy.
unidentified		I'm in Sunnyville, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I believe you.
		And I just want to figuratively shake your hand.
		And I'd like to tell you that as I've been listening to your program, I've been writing some free verse.
		And if you would listen to what I have to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not to read a poem, no, ma'am.
unidentified		Well, no, it's not that long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, even a short poem.
		Thanks anyway, but we don't read poems on the program.
		Wild Card Line, you're on the air with John Lear.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, this is John from Dublin, California.
		How are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		Doing good, thanks.
unidentified		I have a question for John of any sort of stuff he has to say about the Tehachapi Ranch area and what might be going on down there.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		The where?
unidentified		The Tehachapi Ranch?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		That's part of all this complex.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's part of everything that's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are all of these areas, as many have, I mean, we did talk about underground a little while ago, John, but are all of these sensitive areas tied together underground?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, most of them.
		Some of them are strictly to do with current Air Force and Navy technology, some of them with strictly civilian technology.
		Now, whoever the government is, pulled a real slick one here about maybe eight years ago because of all the stuff that was going on in ufology close to Las Vegas.
		They decided to take a number of top officials to a secret area out in north of the test site where these 737s go, which has nothing to do with UFOs.
		It's strictly a radar installation, but it is underground and it's very, very secret.
		And they took them there for the express purpose to say, hey, look, this is what we're going on.
		All that UFO stuff is BS.
		It was a very, very smart move.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with John Lear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, please?
unidentified		I'm in Jacksonville, Florida.
		I'm Robert.
		I find this a very fascinating subject.
		I commend you, sir, you and Bob Lunier and Argbell and Richard Hogan and all you people, because we have the entity that's the subvertive group of people, but it's people like you that are working on the other side of it to make us aware of what we are, with the trail that we are going down.
		I find it very, very fascinating.
		I'd love to see when the Chinese get up to the moon, some of the other places, what's going to happen when their vehicles start malfunctioning, allegedly, like ours when we start going to the moon and to Mars and places like that.
		It's really a fascinating subject, no matter whether we're guinea pigs or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it may be, and you might want to comment on this, John, that the Chinese, although completely different than us in most respects, may find their own reasons to not want to make this public, to not want to show us up and say, here's the truth and shove it in the U.S. government's face and the rest of the world's face.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They may have their own reasons for not wanting to make it all public, huh?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Knowledge is power.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Why share it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why share it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with John Lear.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		My question is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's something wrong with your phone there, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going click, click.
unidentified		I know.
unidentified		I can't figure out what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, then go ahead.
unidentified		Okay, I'm trying to figure out, though.
unidentified		My question is, why, if we believe that the UFO people are our God, wouldn't that make what we're believing in right now a lie?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, hold on here.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		John, we're not saying they're God.
		They're in charge of the experiment.
		If you want to call them God, fine, but they're not God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But in some ways, you come to that conclusion.
		I mean, our makers, our creators, the controllers of the experiment.
		I don't know.
		If we ever create...
		First time caller line, you're on the air with John Lear.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, this is Leith from West Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we don't have a lot of time so far.
unidentified		Well, the obvious seems to have missed everybody in that with the sun problems, the end of the Mayan calendar, the next Noah's Ark is 144,000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who gets to think who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's 144,000 watts.
unidentified		Well, that's just an analogy.
		All of the Nostradamas, the Bible, and everything else, the end of the world type thing, these people may be collecting samples to reseed next time.
		And the reason people in government, people need to stop saying government, it's people in government that make these decisions.
		So, anyway, who gets to pick who goes?
		I wouldn't tell the rest of the billions of people on earth that there's not room for them.
		And I'd especially try to take guns from them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		John, our time is very quickly coming to an end.
		Anything else you want to get out before we're done?
		Nope, that's it.
		That's enough.
		So you are now going to resume your life of enjoyment.
		And I hope you are having a good time.
		Your family all okay?
		Everybody fine?
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Everybody's great.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Up until tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Up until tonight.
		Well, hopefully what people will take away from tonight is all those words in the briefing, and they'll be chewed over a million times, John.
		So you've given us plenty to think about.
		And I don't know how I can thank you for consenting to come back on this program one more time.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Okay, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
john lear ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's John Lear.
		That's a lot to think about, isn't it?
		And I do recommend that you do that, ladies and gentlemen.
		Get a copy, a text copy of John Lear's briefing tonight.
		I had no idea that was coming, incidentally.
		None at all.
		Type it out.
		Remember the words.
		Get it on Streamlink.
		Do whatever you're going to do.
		And then sit down and I ask you, reflect on it heavily, very heavily.
		Assume it's true for the sake of the question that he posed to me and now the same one that I turn around and pose to you.
		And that is, knowing all of that as actual fact, would you then go ahead and consent to everybody's knowing to a sudden release of all of that incredibly frightening societal changing information?
		What would you do with it?
		Answer that question honestly and then fire me off an email or something if you would.
		And again, I want to thank John Lear for being here.
		One last incredible kind of program, and I wish his life goes on well.
		And please don't bug John now that he's been on the air.
		Please don't bug him.
		Let him do as he would like to do, and that is live his life out happily with his family.
		As for me, that'll do it for this.
		Oh, what a weekend this has been.
		See you next weekend.
		Till then, from the high desert, here's Crystal.
		Good night.
unidentified		Good night in the desert, shooting stars across the sky.
		This magical journey will take us on a ride.
		Filled with the longing, searching for the truth.
		Will we make it to tomorrow for the sun shine on you?

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