John Lear, a retired CIA airline captain with 19,000 flight hours and 17 world records, disputes Bob Lazar’s fraud claims while detailing suppressed UFO evidence—NASA photos of lunar/Martian structures, Eisenhower’s 1954 briefings, and alleged government-funded abductions via drug trade profits. He warns disclosure would collapse society, citing 572 whistleblower killings by 1972, and insists aliens manipulate religion to protect their experiments on human souls. Callers like Dan (Disclosure Project witness) and Pam (Iraqi husband’s 9/11 claims) reinforce cover-up theories, while fringe groups like the "Aganazi" tie UFOs to Luciferian cloning. Lear dismisses full transparency but confirms Tehachapi Ranch’s role in experiments, leaving listeners to ponder whether humanity could survive the truth. [Automatically generated summary]
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John Lear, retired airline captain with over 19,000 hours of flight time, has flown over 100 different types of aircraft in 60 different countries around the world.
Son of Lear jet inventor Bill Lear, John is the only pilot to hold every FAA airman certificate to include the airline transport rating, flight instructor, ground instructor, flight engineer, navigator, aircraft dispatcher, airframe and power plant mechanic, parachute rigger, and control tower operator.
He flew secret missions for the CIA in Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa between 1966 and 1983.
He's flown as captain and check pilot for over 10 different airlines.
John held 17 world records, including speed around the world in a Learjet Model 24 set in 1966, was presented with a PATCO Award for Outstanding Airmanship in 1968, was the youngest American to climb the Matterhorn in Switzerland in 1959, and in the early 70s owned and skippered the Americas Cupboat Soliloquy out of Marina Del Rey in California.
In 1968, John raced a Douglas B-26 Invader in the unlimited class at the Reno Air Races.
He is a senior vice commander of the China Post One, the American Legion post for soldiers of fortune, and is a 20-year member of the Special Operations Association.
John is currently owner and operator of the only permitted gold mine operation, Cutthroat Mining Corporation, in Clark County, Nevada.
His efforts to clean up the Treasure Hawk Mine in Gold Butte won him the State of Nevada's Award for Excellence in Mining Reclamation in 1999.
John is a MSHA Mine Safety and Health Administration certified mining instructor and holds a blaster license from the Nevada State Fire Marshal.
John's passion for the preservation and documentation of the history of Gold Butte has made him an authority on the area.
He's been a Las Vegas resident since 1974, was a Republican state Senate candidate in 1980.
John has four daughters, two grandchildren, and lives with his wife in Las Vegas, Las Vegas businesswoman Marilee Lear in Sunrise Manor.
In 1988, John met and became friends with Bob Lazar, the government scientist who worked on the back engineering of the propulsion system of extraterrestrial UFOs at Area S4.
That's just outside the infamous and ultra-secret Area 51.
In March of 89, Lazar took John to an area close to Rachel, Nevada, where he witnessed a flight of a flying saucer at exactly the time Lazar said the test would occur.
Two weeks later, on another UFO spying mission, John, Lazar, and three others were caught by security forces.
That's caught, folks.
And the next day, the very next day, Lazar lost his job in the government program for that breach of security.
Lazar has been branded by many as a fraud, a charge to which John responds, quote, those who say that Lazar was a fraud simply don't know the facts of this incredible 12-month period.
I was there.
They weren't, end quote.
During the late 1980s, John tracked down and found the Army intelligence analyst who read, probably by accident, the U.S. government report Grudge 13, which documented the history of the UFO cover-up and details of saucer recoveries, disposition of their occupants, and handling, that's handling of civilian witnesses.
The report included clear photographs of these recovered extraterrestrial craft and the beings found inside.
It further detailed how recoveries were made worldwide and specially designed transports to accommodate the craft.
John spent time poking around other UFO-related areas to include Dulcie, Socorro, Aztec, Alamogordo, Albuquerque, Los Alamos, and Bentwaters Air Base near London.
Since that time, John has learned many interesting and incredible facts about the solar system and its planets, including the existence of huge structures, arches, bridges, and domes on the moon, cities on Mars,
huge extraterrestrial ships mining the rings of Saturn, the incredible but secret agenda of Apollo 17 to the huge rectangular opening in the south massive of the Terrace Littro highlands called Nansen.
He suspects that Venus does not have the sulfuric acid atmosphere with a temperature of 800 degrees that we've all been led to believe, but instead is a planet very similar to ours with a similar but much more technologically advanced civilization.
John Lear believes that the government has very good reasons for their continued cover-up but refuses to discuss them.
He also believes that the government never, ever intends to release any UFO information, and if forced to say anything, will obscure, tangle, and weave a deceptive line.
Asked outright if he believes the public has a right to know these facts, John says no, they don't.
Why?
Because, was his admittedly evasive answer.
Then why, after 10 years of silence, is John Lear talking once again after almost 60 years, the majority of our population still is not convinced that Roswell happened.
I certainly do not represent a threat to this kind of security, he responds.
Actually, the whole thing is absolutely fascinating.
The whole John Lear story is fascinating and how it intertwines with my career, with the turn it took.
God, I don't even know, 12, 15 years ago, something like that, working at KVEWN in Las Vegas and doing a pretty typical talk show, to be honest with you.
John really was responsible for the twist, the turn in my career that brought me to the point where I am now.
In other words, early interviews with John Lear were the impetus to actually change the focus of this entire program.
That's the influence John Lear has had on me.
So after 10 years of silence, in a moment, John Lear.
Other than calling John, I don't know, you know, every year or so or a couple to inquire whether he'd like to once again do an interview, which I always got the big no to.
You know, that's about the level that we've, I think, kept in touch over the years.
And then the other day I happen to call him.
And other than the fact that I bugged you once again, John, I really am curious, after 10 years, why break your silence now and welcome.
Well, you know, the government in charge of this cover-up works so well at making your life miserable when you go around talking about this stuff that I quit and my life, quality of life improved about 200%.
But now the cover-up is so well in place that they certainly would not be threatened by me going on the radio once and saying what I know.
I lost one with an airline and one with a government program that I really wanted, and it was with Lockheed.
And they went for my clearance, and they were told by the Air Force of NASA that under no circumstances would John Lear ever get another clearance.
Now, I had Q clearance up at the test site for some work I did with Dyne Electron, and it was just monitoring below-ground tests from the air with different airplanes.
And that clearance is still there.
It's not active, but they weren't going to renew it under any circumstances, and they made it plain.
So it's cost me a little bit, but I've managed to survive.
You know, before we launch into the whole spectrum of things that we have to talk about, John, when you and I were on the phone the other day, you began to tell me about 9-11, and I really would like to talk about that.
You have a perspective on the whole 9-11 thing that people should at least hear.
I mean, everybody can make up their own minds about it, but you're a commercial pilot, and there's certain things you know.
But whoever concocted 9-11, and it certainly wasn't Osama bin Laden, they have two objectives.
One was to polarize American opinion against Arab Muslims.
And number two was to get the U.S., to trick the U.S., essentially, to get Osama out of Afghanistan, because Osama, as bad as he was, he was shutting down all the heroin poppy fields and was causing a disastrous monetary loss to the illegal drug industry.
And last year, which was a year after we went into Afghanistan, National Geographic did a special on TV that ran for several months and documented the 500% increase in drugs flowing out of Afghanistan after we went in there and eliminated Osama.
This had to be accomplished by pilots who were taken to an honest-to-God Boeing 757 simulator, which essentially is, you know, the 757 and 767 are essentially the same cockpit.
You get the same rating.
And whoever, you know, concocted this whole thing knew that on a particular day that airliners themselves could be switched because of maintenance problems.
And by selecting airlines that had that airplane, they had everything covered.
They had to learn how to step into the cockpit, and that's a whole thing, getting into the airplane.
But separate from that, they had to get in the cockpit, pull the circuit breaker for the transponder, sit in the pilot seat, disconnect the autopilot from the flight management system, turn the airplane, push the throttles all the way forward, find Manhattan, then line up on a pre-planned course doing 10 miles a minute.
They were clocked by air traffic control, doing 600 miles an hour at 700 feet above the ground, and fly directly into the middle of the center of the World Trade Center.
Now that, you know, in the air races, we only fly 400 miles an hour, and that's difficult.
But to fly an airliner the size of the 757 at 700 feet, I mean, that took some skill, and it took a long time to train that, probably a year.
In addition to that, hitting the trail center was a feat, but hitting the Pentagon was even more of a feat because when you're going that fast, there's a tremendous amount of air creating this lift.
And as you head towards the ground, that air reacts against the wing and pushes you up.
So whoever hit that train to hit that Pentagon at the third story was highly trained because when he got towards the ground, he'd be getting a tremendous amount of lift, and he would have to trim forward and push with an incredible amount of strength to not be pushed up and over the Pentagon and to get the third story.
Well, because there was parts found five miles away, because there was eyewitnesses to it being shot down.
There's corroborating evidence.
Somebody who was listening to a cell phone conversation at the time this was going on said they heard the rapid, like and described it as the pilot rapidly turning pages.
Well, that's not what was happening.
It was the cannon fire hitting the fuselage.
And that's what accounted for the, what they called, smoke in the cabin.
It wasn't smoke.
It was the depressurization causing the condensation.
But you have to understand the government's position.
Number one, they couldn't possibly reveal this information because it was something they had to do.
The problem was that once the passengers got control of the airplane, there was no way to communicate with air traffic control and communicate with whoever was directing the attack for the Air Force.
Now, you say Osama bin Laden wasn't responsible, but there are videotapes showing Osama with his lieutenant sort of laughing and joking they didn't expect such a grand result and all that blooney.
Therein lies the problem because they certainly couldn't waltz into any airline in the United States and get that kind of time.
I mean, most of the airliners or airlines who have 757s use them 24 hours a day.
And they certainly aren't in the habit of renting to unauthorized people.
Like somebody going in there and saying, hey, we need 1,500 hours a time, it's just not going to happen.
They had to find another 757 elsewhere in the world.
And you look around the Middle East, and there's certainly none there, at least in any Arab country, because they have Airbuses, strictly Airbuses from France.
So they have to find someplace else that had a 757.
Here's something I've wanted to ask you, John, for a long time.
Phil Class is a, I guess a skeptic could be a kind word.
He's perhaps more than a skeptic.
And I talked to somebody who claimed they heard a quote from you saying that in a conversation with someone, you were quoted as saying that Phil Klass does what he does out of patriotism.
I knew Phil Klass from the early 60s when he was the science editor or the, and I forget, electronic editor for the Los Angeles Times.
And he used to write about my dad's equipment in an unfavorable nature.
And so he was in anathema around our house.
And then when I got into this UFO thing and met him in, I forget one of the conferences in 1987, I went over to, he invited me over to his apartment, and we sat there and talked about this stuff.
And he was saying, oh, this is all BS.
It's not true.
And I'd hit him with several facts.
He says, John, John, John, it's not true.
It's the fiction.
It never happened.
And at that time, Larry, who was the Bentwaters guy that came out and talked about the Bentwaters thing.
Anyway, I went to Roswell and coming back, I took the bus from Roswell to Albuquerque, and Bob picked me up, and I spent a few days at his house, and, you know, talked about old times and stuff, and it was interesting.
But, you know, the way I got into all of this was sometime in 1984 or 85, I picked up a book called Missing Time by Bud Hopkins.
And when I read it, I thought, holy smokes, this is true.
I mean, it gave me chills.
And at that time, I was flying with American Transair, and I was based in New York, and I gave Bud a call and ended up over at his house.
And I spent a fascinating evening with him, and that got me really interested.
And then, what's his name, Whitley Stryber wrote Communion, and that was even more scary.
I remember reading that book on a, I had gone down to the store to get it, and I got a call to take a flight from Las Vegas to Cleveland.
And I remember flying the 727 on the way to Cleveland and reading this thing and how scary it was.
But anyway, I got interested in all this, and let's see what happened next.
I went on this little tour around Colorado, New Mexico, and, you know, checking out all these rumors.
It was just fascinating.
And then I started to give lectures.
And I gave this, at that time, I was on my soapbox, and we deserve to know this stuff.
And, you know, at that time, I had no idea how heavily involved the government was in this.
Well, from that point, you know, he kept, he worked from December until March 21st, 1989, which will always be a date that we'll always remember.
And that, you know, the Tuesday before, the 21st was a Wednesday, the day before, I was over at his house, and he said, you want to go see a disc fly tomorrow?
And I said, well, how?
And he said, well, I know a place that we can watch it, and they always test on Wednesdays at sunset because that is the time that this road is least traveled.
And I said, great, let's go.
So Gene Huff and me and Bob got my motorhome, and I think Bob's wife was with us, and we drove up there and just south of the black mailbox, which we didn't know about then.
And so we stayed around for another couple of hours and nothing happened.
So we went home.
And then the next Wednesday night, I was on a trip, airline trip, and I couldn't go.
But I called Bob and I said, you know, what's going on?
He said, we're going fishing tonight, which I knew, you know, they're going up to Groom Lake.
And so that was the night that I think Jim Taliani went and George Knapp went, and I think that's when George got the film that he got.
Then the third night, which was the following Wednesday, was March 6th, and that's when we went up and we had all the Geiger counters and the cameras and everything.
And that's when we got caught.
And we were going down the road that access to the back gate of Groom Lake.
So the next morning, Bob gets a call from his boss and says, Bob, don't go to work.
I'm going to pick you up.
And he picked him up, drove him up to Indian Springs, which is the center for all security for the test site.
And they pulled him out of a car with a gun in his ear.
And they said, Bob, when we gave you this security clearance, it didn't mean you were supposed to tell all your friends about the flying sausage.
Do you want to work here or not?
And he was non-committal.
He came home and told us about what happened.
And I said, are you going back to work?
And he said, probably not.
And I said, why?
He said, the main reason is because the last time I went up, he said, when I got on that, the only thing I remember is getting on the 737 and getting off.
I don't remember what I did up there.
And he said, I couldn't work under conditions like that.
Yeah, and his reason was because the last time he went, he could remember getting on the 737 and getting off, but he couldn't remember what he did there.
So the short, I think it was the next day or so, like the Saturday, I had done, or it was Sunday morning, I had done some interviews with George Knapp, and it was, I forget what the program was called, but We discussed UFOs and everything, and that night he called me and said, John, you can't believe it.
The phones are ringing off the hook here.
People want more.
What can I do for an encore?
And I said, well, maybe I can get Bob to come on.
And so that, I talked with Bob, and that was the Monday night that he did the news show where they showed him in shadow telling that he worked up there and that he worked on extraterrestrial craft.
You know, I'm confident that everything he told me was true, and I've heard that argument several times that he may have known the schedule, and then they also say he may have been a cook up there.
But if he was a cook, then that means that they told the cooks when they were going to fly the flying saucers.
It could certainly travel outside this solar system and go to other solar systems.
The fuel that he worked on the propulsion system.
When you go to work there, everything is so compartmentalized, other than the initial briefing that he got, where he learned a little about everything that was going on.
They don't allow him to work on all aspects of it.
He had to pick one field.
And his field that he picked on was try to duplicate the propulsion with present-day technology.
And of course, it's impossible.
They're hundreds of thousands of years ahead of us.
Although we can understand how it works, there's no way we can contain an antimatter reactor.
That's really a misconception because when you're flying an airplane, particularly in this day and age, you're concentrating on what's going on inside the cockpit.
During the nighttime, even if the lights are turned down, there's no way you can see out the windows.
I mean, you can press your eyeball against the window and see stars, but it's not like you're sitting there in your normal piloting position and you can see outside.
You can't.
And then during the daytime, you know, you just, your attention isn't outside.
I mean, you can look out occasionally from time to time, but most of your concentration is inside.
You're talking to the air traffic control.
You're monitoring, you know, the instruments and paying attention to flying.
But in answer to your questions, how many people see not many.
I've heard some stories of guys who see stuff outside.
And of course, I may have been a little different.
I spent a lot more time looking outside.
I remember one of the last flights that n I made with one of the cargo airlines.
We're very late at night, and I'm looking out, and I see this thing come streaking across the sky and then go straight up.
And I thought, no, gosh, I wish the crew had seen that.
And so then I didn't say anything, and then it happened again.
And I thought, well, maybe it'll happen again.
So I said, hey, you guys, look, look at this.
And it happened three more times.
And it was, you know, I don't know what it was, but it came streaking about halfway across the horizon directly over the airplane and then shot straight up.
No, Richard C. Oglin inspired me to look into that.
And I ordered some prints from NASA.
And, of course, when you order pictures of the moon from NASA, it doesn't come from NASA.
There's three separate places where they come from.
And to go back to the middle 60s, when NASA really realized what was going on on the moon, they had the Lunar Orbiter Series.
There was five camera ships they sent to the moon to make fabulous, detailed photographs of the moon.
And when these came back, I mean, they were chock full of all these buildings and arches and domes and buildings.
And, you know, there was a place at NASA where people spent their entire careers doing nothing but airbrushing this stuff out.
And then they'd take a picture of that picture, and that would become the public information.
That would become the picture that was sent out to the public.
But every once in a while, you can order a picture, and they forgot to airbrush, or they didn't know it.
And one thing they could have never imagined back in the early 60s was that in the 90s, that computer technology would make it possible that we could scan a photograph like that and enlarge it and find the airbrush marks and find stuff that they didn't see looking at the print.
I mean, we can go right down and see little tracks and all kinds of stuff.
Well, like a year ago, John, he suddenly came up with these photographs of Mars.
And, you know, I've done quite a bit of flying, I'm certainly not a pilot, but, you know, when you look at these photographs, these more recent ones of Mars, even I sat here and I went, oh my God, it's like I'm looking down at a damn city.
Like a city.
It looks like a city from the air.
And buildings everywhere, square shapes that don't make any sense on Mars from pictures that were imaged just below the surface.
You know, we run into the same thing with Richard as we run in with UFO people as everyone believes their own research, but when they hear another story, oh, that guy's full of BIOS.
And so you kind of have to do your own as you research this.
Now, the last thing I came across is, have you seen the city of Tethonia?
I called up the guy at Project Red Star and I said, send me that stuff.
And what's so fascinating about it is, I don't know whether you can do it today, but you used to be able to go to Ballon Space Systems, download the film yourself, and look at it yourself.
So we went in to see this guy who was head of Voyager Imaging, and we said, you know, Bob has been up to Area 51 and seen these close-up photos, but, you know, in the photos that Are released to the public, we don't see this particular photo.
We said this photo that he saw was taken at a very low altitude and a specific angle.
We said, was Voyager tasked to ever go lower and take pictures?
And the guy said, yes, as a matter of fact, we did task it to go lower, but we didn't make any pictures.
Now, here's the beauty of this thing, and this is how cover-up works.
He knew that it went lower, but he didn't have a high enough clearance, even though he was head of imaging, that that picture was taken.
The answer to that is in the form of, I'd like to do something with you, but we need a good 10 or 15 minutes because what I'm going to do is say, Art Bell, the government has chosen you because of your vast experience with the public and what you think they can handle.
And we decided that we are going to either release all this information or not.
But what we're going to do is tell you everything that we know, and then you make, you decide yay or nay.
Apollo 17 landed in the Torres Literal area, which is extremely dangerous.
There's mountain peaks that go between 8,000 to 10,000 feet around the area.
But what they were tasked to do on the second day was go to Nansen.
And Nansen is a large, obviously constructed opening inside the South Massif.
And they wanted to take a look at it.
And so essentially that's been covered up, but there's a website where you can read the whole thing, see the pictures of Nansen.
You get what the astronauts said, which is very, very interesting what they said.
And what I'll do at the end of this broadcast, I'm going to email you about 10 or 15 websites that we're talking about, and then you can pass them on to what you like, and they can look at this Apollo 17 and Project Red Star and all the rest of them.
All of this, an Apollo mission, our space program in general, how much would have to be hidden.
Now, of course, it is worth mentioning that we have not gone back to the moon, not with men, as one would have expected by now, or Mars or anything else.
It's kind of like, I don't know, it's like we're being kept home.
And, you know, since I didn't know exactly what they said, and I haven't talked to anybody who heard the threat, it was just enough of a threat that, you know, we don't come back here.
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Okay, we whisk you to, or they whisk you to Washington, D.C. You get limoed to this building, beautiful building.
You go up into this room.
They say, Art, you're the guy.
If you give us the go-ahead, we're going to release everything we know to the public.
And if you decide to go ahead, all major networks will be provided with information on all aspects of the cover-up.
No type of information will be withheld because of the deal for immunity for all participants of the cover-up provides that nothing, no artifact, no piece of information be withheld.
So here's what happened, Art.
And of course, this will use some videos and stills.
Our first UFO recoveries were in the late 30s.
We made a couple in the beginning of the 40s, and then came Roswell, which the public found out about.
We got two live aliens from Roswell.
One died shortly thereafter, one lived until 1956.
And we found out that so far there are 18 different alien species that we know about monitoring Earth.
Some are good, some are hostile, most are indifferent.
We found out that we are the experimenter product, if you will, of an alien race who we never met and really don't know who they are.
All we know is that the grays are cybernetic organisms, glorified robots, if you will, who work here at the behest of their employers monitoring us through abductions.
We were never able to find out what the experiment is all about, except that we have been externally corrected about 65 times, and they, the aliens, refer to us as containers.
There has been speculation that the souls our bodies contains is the reason for the experiment, but nothing has been proven or determined.
Since 1938, we have lost over 200 aircraft to UFO hostilities and thousands of soldiers in all kinds of different kinds of action with aliens.
Since that time, several hundred thousand civilians have disappeared with no trace.
Several thousand were eliminated by us because of their chance encounters with aliens, which we could ill-afford to have publicized.
A slightly more frightening phenomena known as human mutilations have occurred on a regular basis and are similar to the cattle mutilations in that the humans or humans are taken from the street, so to speak, and returned to the same area about 45 minutes to an hour later where their rectums cored out, their genitals removed, their eyes removed from their sockets, and completely drained of blood.
In all cases, it appears that the mutilation procedures occurred while the persons were still alive and conscious.
One of our scientists speculated that apparently the human specimens had to be alive for the samples to be worth anything.
Abductions occur on a daily basis throughout the United States to at least 10% of the population.
And when we first became aware of this, we protested to the little gray being that we held in the captivity at the YY-2 facility at Los Alamos.
But a deal was struck that in exchange for advanced technology from the aliens, we would allow them to abduct a very small number of persons, and we would be periodically given a list of those persons abducted.
We got something less than the technology we bargained for and found that the abductions exceeded by a millionfold what we had naively agreed to.
In 1954, President Eisenhower met with a representative of another alien species at Mirok Test Center, which is now called Edwards Air Force Base.
This alien suggested that they could help us get rid of the graves, but Eisenhower turned down their offer because they offered no technology.
At this point, it became apparent to all involved that there was no such thing as a God, at least as the public perceives God.
Certainly some kind of computer recorder stores information, and an occasional miracle is displayed by the aliens to influence a religious event.
So this so unnerved Eisenhower that he had, in God We Trust, put on paper money and coins and put into the Pledge of Allegiance to reaffirm the public belief in God.
Shortly after this, it was determined at meetings between the U.S. and Russians that the situation was serious enough that a Cold War should be manufactured as a ruse to divert attention of the public away from UFOs and towards some other scary threat, the H-bomb.
It was also decided to keep the ruse secret from any elected or appointed official within both the U.S. and Russian government as long as it took so long to vet these officials and the ruse was easier to manage if the top people didn't know about it.
In the late 1950s, NASA was formed to compartmentalize, containerize, and sanitize information from all space platforms and vehicles.
We sold NASA to the public, claiming that all Information would belong to them.
Actually, they got very little, and even that was highly sanitized.
Our first efforts were to keep the public from learning about Venus, and that it's a similar planet to Earth, and that its population is very similar to us, but more technologically advanced.
We have learned a lot from them.
Starting with the Russian Venera 1 and U.S. Mariner 2, we made Venus look like a lead-melting volcanic surface spewing sulfuric acid into a pressurized atmosphere 90 times that of Earth.
And was often the case, we overdid it and wondered why no one ever asked how a parachute survived a descent into 800-degree air.
We set up operations in Pine Gap, Australia to preclude any prying eyes trying to figure out what we were up to.
We regularly eliminated, through extreme prejudice, anybody who was part of the operation and made the least little tiny threat about disclosure or satisfaction with the operation.
Any space mission that included Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Mariner, Voyager, Clementine, and all the rest, all data initially came transmitted to PineGap, and then it was relayed to JPL or wherever after the sanitizing.
We had a little trouble with amateur radio operators, but we figured out when they figured out how they could intercept these signals, but we managed to deal with that.
When the Russian threat began to fade, we introduced Vietnam, which kept the public occupied for over 10 years.
The cover-up in the personnel to run the operation began to get bigger and bigger and required more and more money.
We were enforced to inflate the defense budget, which soon was not enough.
Then we got into the drug business, which was still not enough.
We were the ones that looted the savings and loan industry and Wall Street to boot.
It is so out of control now.
Most people want immunity and want out.
But there is so much secrecy and so many double and triple blinds in place that it is unlikely that this thing can ever be dismantled.
And even if you give us the go-ahead to spill the beams to the public, it's unlikely they will get anything more than, yes, we recovered a flying saucer and yes, there was an occupant.
But that's all we're going to tell you.
So go ahead and roll the tape for Mr. Bell.
What you see here are the human mutilations look like.
That one was a male about 27 years old.
Now that film is of dead aliens being pulled from the wreckage of their craft that crashed in Atlanta, California in the 50s.
That craft you see over there was over 250 feet in diameter and had to be buried on the spot.
That site is in Utah near Dugway Proving Grounds.
The object that you're looking at now is the Kexburg Acorn, which was brought to WrightPat in the middle 60s.
There's Frank Drake trying to force information out of a being tied down to that stretcher.
He was supposedly from Tal City.
These pictures you're looking at now are the structures on the moon.
That's the tower in Sinus Medai.
It's over seven miles tall.
And that thing there is what we call the Colossus of Agurum in Narikusayam.
We don't know what it does, but the machine itself is bigger than Brooklyn, New York.
Now those are videos of the domes covering the craters.
You can see that some are in a very advanced state of decay.
Now these are five-second slides of the 18 different alien species we are looking at.
That one there is the most gruesome looking.
The guards at one facility are carefully indoctrinated over a period of several months, being shown pictures similar to, but not exactly like, the alien.
Only when they have been acclimatized, so to speak, of the horrible-looking beings, are they allowed to stand in security positions.
Before these acclimatations were done, we had two guards die of a heart attack as these aliens came down the hallway unexpectedly.
And this last clip is of the Kennedy assassination.
You've heard of the second gunman theory.
Well, this is the second camera that recorded exactly what happened.
We had four gunmen.
And the bottom line was Kennedy had to go.
He insisted on releasing what little alien information we had told him about, and he was trying to withdraw troops from Vietnam, which we were using as a diversion for the public.
After Kennedy, we never told any president anything.
Nixon knew because he was briefed as VP in 1952.
That's how he knew where to take Jackie Gleason to Homestead Air Force Base to see the alien bodies we had storage there.
My first response would be, having heard even just a quarter of that information, if I really heard it from a legitimate government source that I was about to be killed, I would assume I would be in mortal danger.
I mean, it's just.
Any portion of that information would get a person killed if they knew it, much less it's just ludicrous, John.
I would never be put in such a situation.
I would never be at such a briefing because such a briefing is never and will never be made ever.
Now, last night I talked with the guy who's heading up the disclosure project in Washington, D.C., and I read him the exact same thing I did to you, and he said, yeah, go for it.
Let's do it.
You know, we have a right to know.
And I'm wondering, you know, how could you possibly think like that?
And the other thing is, you know, there's no way that the government, suppose they were trying to be forced to make a release, is to say, you know, okay, yeah, we do have something from Oswell, and there was an alien, but that's all we're going to tell you.
Because at some point, the Chinese are going to be looking at things that I guess we don't want them looking at.
Or do you suppose that at the very, very highest...
How does it work, do you suppose?
Any idea how our elected in quotes government, in effect, takes its instruction from I don't know, but my favorite story about the secret government is, remember Dick D'Amato?
The End Let me read a little of what I read earlier.
During the 1980s, John tracked down and found the Army intelligence analyst who read, in fact, says probably by accident, the U.S. government report Grudge 13, which documented the history of the UFO cover-up in details, you know, the whole thing, the saucers, the occupants, all of it.
John, that was during a time that you were sort of consumed by all of this.
And it was so real what he wrote about exactly how he opened the document, how it was given to him, what was in it, and so thorough that I wanted to meet the guy.
So there was no way to find him.
It turns out that I found out his father was a state senator in Arizona.
I wrote to his father several times, never heard any answer.
Then one night I get a call and it says, and the guy says, my understanding is you want to meet with Bill English.
Can I ask you why?
And I told him why.
And he said, let me call you later.
So I got a call later and the guy says, if you want to meet Bill English, you have to go to such and such airport at such and such time.
It was in West Virginia, I think, and sit in such and such bench and such and such and such state.
He was in a, if I can, you know, I have the report here.
He was assigned to the RAF listening post north of London as an information analyst.
And in the course of his duties, he was asked to prepare an analysis of the elusive Grudge 13 report.
He says he doesn't know why he was given it.
He said that afterwards he was discharged and sent to the United States.
And there's no reason why he was given this sentence report.
Now, a little background on Grudge.
After Blue Book, after Blue Book was closed, they started the Grudge Reports.
And Grudge, there was 14 reports, number 1 through 12, and number 14 was released to the public.
And they were essentially UFO reports.
And Nothing very interesting.
And everybody wondered where Grudge 13 went, and the government's position was it was an unlucky number, and no grudge report was assigned that number.
But in fact, the real information was in Grudge 13.
I don't have any reason as to why he was given that report, but he reported thoroughly on it, wrote a thing that I read, and then I went and interviewed him.
It was a very interesting time.
You know, the guy really had a lot of problems.
They couldn't find a job.
The last time I saw him was in Sunspot, New Mexico.
He lived there with his family in a real dilapidated apartment.
And, of course, at that time, I didn't have that much money myself, and I couldn't help him very much.
And that was, let's see, 1988.
And I haven't heard from him since then.
But most of these guys like that, whoever talked to me, disappear.
For instance, the guy that was the photographer in the Air Force in Hawaii.
And he was assigned TDY to San Bernardino, Norton Air Force Base.
And he gets to Norton, and he's picked up in a limo with blacked out, and he was with one other photographer, and they picked up with a limo with blacked out windows.
And they head north.
And it was a black limo driver, and the black limo driver, about an hour into the drive, looked back and said, so you boys going to see the flying saucers, huh?
And, you know, they had no idea.
I mean, that wasn't part of their information or anything.
So they drive close to 29 Ponds, the marine station there, and the driver drives onto this platform, and it's lowered inside this huge hangar.
And they get out of the car, and they're asked to go into this little cubicle where they're asked to strip off all their clothing and get into a smock and booties and a hat.
And then they're given a camera.
And in the middle of this hangar, in a net, was a UFO, a flying saucer, about 30 feet in diameter.
And there was a ladder leading up to the hatch.
So he climbs up into it with the camera behind him.
And he leans into the hatch.
And he said to me, he said, John, he said, it was so shocking.
It was so huge in there that I could have taken a football and thrown it as far as I could and it wouldn't have hit the other side.
And he said, I backed out to see how big this thing was, and it was only 30 feet.
And he said, I crawled back in, and there was some scientists standing there, and they told me what to take pictures of.
And, you know, I took those pictures and eventually went back, changed in the clothing, got the airport, and sent back to Hawaii.
And he disappeared.
I never heard from him after he sat in the same room that I'm talking to you from and told me that story and never heard from him again.
From David in Portland, an interesting question, one that I would have made it to anyway, but please ask John if Lazar ever mentioned the word containers to him.
Lazar read about containers in the briefing papers, so the military knows about this as well.
Containers, ask about the containers.
This means everything.
And I guess maybe it does.
What is the question?
Well, whether Bob Lazar had ever mentioned that word, containers, to you.
Yeah, he said these 65 external corrections and that the aliens referred to us as containers, and that was in the briefing.
Now, remember, when he went to work there, every day he would be taken into this room, and he said there was, you know, 100 or so briefings in small packets.
Each one was stapled, and it had, you know, maybe 10 or 15 pages.
And a number of pages would be stapled together at the back.
In other words, his clearance hadn't progressed to the point where he could read the whole briefing, but he could read a little bit of it.
Well, I mean, if what we just discussed, if in fact we perhaps rightly ought to be thinking of them as God in the sense of the word, I guess, of our creators.
I wonder if they consider us in that manner as a mistake.
Any clues as to how the experiment is going?
No.
No.
I look at the environment, and maybe the picture isn't big enough, but I see, gee, the North Pole melting, the Antarctic melting, all these really weird things going on right now in our environment.
And that would seem to be a real troubled spot for us.
But again, I may not be looking at a big enough picture.
I don't know.
I mean, does that give us a failing grade?
Is there some greater thing that we are to attain for them?
I wonder what the nature of the experiment is, John.
I wouldn't even to know what the experiment was about.
And the reason is because every time you learn something new, the first thing the guy who's going to tell it is, well, to understand this, first you have to know about so-and-so.
Do you know about so-and-so?
No.
So then they have to explain such-and-such.
So since I don't know such-and-such, I can't possibly presume to know what the experiment is about.
I interview a really bright guy who annoys the hell out of my audience when I have him on.
His name is Matthew Alper.
And it is his contention, John, that we are wired to worship.
Wired to worship.
That there is some aspect of the human brain.
And sure enough, you can go find some tribe that hasn't been touched by man, and they worship something, the sun, the moon, the wind, whatever.
They worship something, in some cases making sacrifices.
In other words, everybody is wired to grasp this belief that we cannot deal with the concept of mortality, and so the brain in its own defense is wired to worship.
And he takes a lot of flack for that.
But doesn't that kind of make sense with what you just said about our creators and the experiment and all the rest wired to worship?
Well, if you were our creators and you were setting up the experiment, you might wire your experiment to have religious beliefs, to tend toward having to have religious belief for the whole control thing.
One of the interesting things that Bob read in the documents is of the three that were sent down for these religious, you know, various religions, one was killed.
And he said he read 18 pages of the search that the aliens made to find him.
And throughout the 18 pages, it was fraught with the idea that they couldn't believe that mankind had destroyed this individual that they spent so much time making.
Well, you've given me and everybody an awful lot to try and digest.
I guess it's your contention that this is so indigestible for most people that they'll treat it as just so far beyond belief that that's why the cover-up's in no danger, just because it's so far out and because people's faith in religion will cause them to just reject it.
Now I'm content to go to my cabin at Gold Butte where there is not a single human being for 60 miles and just sit there and enjoy the mountainside and the animals and everything.
It surprises me because I talked to Steve Bassett last night in the Disclosure Project, and he said the same thing.
He said, hey, let's go for it.
Let's tell him.
And I wouldn't.
I mean, if it lied my decision, I would.
There's too many scary things.
I mean, you know, we've got enough problems with everything going on that we don't need to inject one more, regardless of whether the government's been lying to us all these years.
Well, John, it's been, it has been 10 years, and so there are probably things that you, Are there any more things you're able to talk about today than you were, say, 10 years ago?
But I mean, surely, in other words, the things that you couldn't talk about 10 years ago, which were quite a few, I mean, I hit a few brick walls with you.
You know, I don't know too much about that, and I didn't follow it closely.
The one thing that I did read was that apparently somebody found something.
The FAA found something at Boeing in Seattle in the production line of the 737, and there was going to be an investigation of what in the world all that stuff was that was not conforming to the drawings, and you know reason why it was there, and I didn't hear a thing after that.
Well, you know, I'm not trying to cast dispersions on the people who study the contrails, but, you know, contrails are contrails.
There's so many airplanes in the sky that, you know, I don't see anything.
And I've looked at a lot of these crisscrossing contrails, and I think, well, you know, maybe, but, you know, I just, it didn't become a part of my interest.
So, you know, there were certain attributes that were said to accompany some of these things that might be seen as contrails, but really contained different chemicals.
And one can imagine, I mean, after all, our climate is going berserk right now.
It may be that somebody in our government recognizes that fact.
There have been various theories.
One is climate modification of some sort.
Another would be mass inoculations in view of terrorist threats or something like that.
And after all, there is a history of our government having conducted experiments on its own people.
And Larry up in Canada says, you know, if it could be proven 100% for sure, no doubt that there's no eternity, that this is it, do you think everybody would suddenly go out and begin to kill that nasty neighbor or idiot co-worker?
Well, that this is it, that this life is all there is.
Of course, you're not saying that.
I think he read something into what we were saying, and I understand you're not saying that.
You are acknowledging we have an eternal soul, or a soul, at any rate.
And so I guess that question is really in a way up in smoke.
But even if all that you've laid out for us in that briefing were known, I guess a question would be, would suddenly people go nuts to the point that they'd go out and kill or riot or whatever?
Some people are saying no, they wouldn't.
I mean, that people would continue to behave basically the way they behave every day.
I really have carefully considered, not with as much information as you laid on the table, but I've carefully considered it.
And having talked to so many fundamentalists, maybe my opinion is skewed for that reason, but I know the passion of these beliefs and how such information would be greeted and dealt with by enough of a minority.
I mean, you know, countries are overthrown by small percentages of people.
So, yeah, my answer is no.
I wouldn't release the information.
John, are you going to do anything else?
Are you going to, now that you've got time in your hands, you're retired, you could start digging again?
Or are you sort of saying there's no point in digging anymore because I know as much as I need or even want to know?
That doesn't mean there isn't a huge volume of more information.
It's that I am personally satisfied.
I am personally satisfied to go up and sit in my cabin and spend the rest of my life looking at the deer and the quail and getting the gold mining operation going.
Well, Zachariah has been on the show a number of times, and I know his story really well with regard to what he believes our history is, which was that we were created early on as gold miners.
And I don't know why.
It's such a crazy story, you know, with the planet that comes zooming by every now and then and that we were created for this gold mining purpose.
But I do know that humans have an unnatural attraction to gold.
You can hold gold in your hand and you can feel, I don't know, I don't know, there's something special when you hold a piece of gold in your hand.
Well, you know, as I said, I flew in Laos, and then I did that, you know, when you say for the CIA, everything after Vietnam, when Air America went on strike with the agency, the agency after that went all to, you know, contract carriers.
And the story that I'll tell you, the only reason I can tell you is because it's published in a book called Private Warriors by Silverstein that was put out two years ago.
And somehow this guy found out the story and got to the log books and found out the whole thing.
But in 1977, Somalia had traditionally been supported by Russia.
And Ethiopia, we had traditionally supported them.
As a matter of fact, we had a space tracker station there.
And it came that, and the Russians had built a deepwater port on the Red Sea called Berber.
Well, there was a rebels causing a lot of problem in Ethiopia, and Russia sent some people in there to, or sent soldiers into there to support the rebels.
Now, this really angered Somalia that the Russian, their ally, would support their lifelong mortal enemy.
So they kicked the Russians out.
And at that time, and still, the name of the game was property on the Red Sea, because if the Persian Gulf is ever, the Straits of Hormoz is ever cut off, then the only way oil can flow is down through the Red Sea.
So you want to have property there to be sure that that happens.
They have big pipelines that go from Saudi Arabia south to the Red Sea just for that reason.
So we went in there and said, hey, you know, we'll help you.
We went into Somalia and said, you know, we'll help you.
And so we started supporting Somalia mainly because we wanted that deep water port in Berber, which we got.
And I was part of the, well, what happened is Somalia now gets to ready to fight Ethiopia again, which they do traditionally.
And they're armed with East Block guns, and they don't have any East Block ammunition.
Same thing with Ethiopia.
They don't have any West Block ammunition.
So there was a high-level trade or high-level agreement at the highest levels to send East Block ammunition to Somalia.
And I was part of that.
We flew 707 loads for two or three months from Budapest down, we refueled in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, and then on down to Somalia and delivered it there.
I mean, it's different now because a lot of the drugs come from South America, and they have so many ways to get it into the United States that it's just an impossible task to keep it out.
And if you did what you did to me tonight, and that is put a person actually in that spot receiving that information and saying, what would your decision be?
I don't know.
I just don't think the average person really could say that.
I can't imagine that it would, because no matter how many retired military officers, including general officers that are willing to testify in front of Congress, you know, if they get immunity, you know, the people that run this thing have it so locked up, and there's so many things at stake.
Okay, well, we've heard that argument for years and years, and my answer to that is if you read the papers, if you're reasonably well-informed, if you read a couple of magazines and listen to the news, you know about 5% of what's going on.
And that's a maximum.
There is so much secret stuff going.
You know, in the 1960s, they had a big conference with the military and civilian contractors that everything had to move underground because of the fact that too many people were too observant.
They could see trucks.
They could see tanks.
They could see supplies moving above ground.
So everything went underground.
And the massive transportation systems underground are just, people wouldn't believe it.
You know, a lot of people in the area that I live in, which is not that far from, as you know, as you're not, from the secret areas, they detect these underground, deep rumblings beneath our feet here in the desert.
And you're suggesting there's good reason for that.
I think that in 1989 is when Bob and I met a truck driver who came to us to tell us a story.
And they were making these huge caverns under the test site.
And what they would do is set off these atomic bombs that were super clean, that didn't leave any radiation at all.
And then they'd go down and they'd clean it out, and they'd put walls.
And I think the things went down like a mile.
And his job as a driver would be to drive the cement truck around this circular road all the way down to the bottom, pour cement, then wind all the way back up.
We're headed toward the top of the hour, and I am going to open the phone lines, and we're going to get your reaction and your questions and your comments about all of this.
And it should be indeed interesting after such an incredible briefing to see how all of you out there are assimilating this information.
From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
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Listen, you know, I understand it seems incredibly counterintuitive that somebody like myself would do a program like this about this subject, digging for this information, concentrating and boring in on this incredible topic, wanting to know the story, wanting to know the facts, wanting to know the truth.
And yet, when I'm read a litany of the truth, and then here are, what do you want to do?
Do you want to release this or not?
I end up saying, no, I understand.
That seems very, very, very counterintuitive.
But it's my honest response.
And I'm telling you, if you doubt, I would go back, you folks, and listen to the briefing that John gave me and put yourself in the seat, listen to all that information, and then really, really tell me, tell John, send me an email.
I don't care.
Would you really release that information understanding what it would do?
Put yourself in the position and then answer the question.
Yeah, I'm one of the 21 top secret military witnesses who went to Washington to testify the Disclosure Project back in 2001.
I met with John in Rachel, Nevada, about 10 years ago with a group of Bob Bazaar.
There was a top-secret document that was directed to Magite Control regarding that meeting in the disclosure book.
I just wanted to say that one of the things I did, I handled a fax thing on the Disclosure Project website, and we've got over 20,000 faxes that went into Washington.
And I personally met with senators in Congress on Capitol Hill.
And the response has been, and I monitor all the responses, and it's been nothing greater than, thank you, we'll keep your views in mind.
I just wanted to thank John for coming out after 10 years, and just wanted to let him know that.
Okay, John, if you could talk to, I don't know, maybe Dr. Greer, for example, and you were to sit down with Dr. Greer and talk to him about what he's doing.
You were saying that perhaps we may be someone else's experiment.
By extension, and I realize this is a bit over the top, but what do you think the possibility is that perhaps whoever they are, the entire universe is their experiment, in which case, for all practical purposes, they would be gods?
But I mean, I just finished a reading book, a very interesting book, called The Daughter of God, the premise being there were two Saviors, and the further premise being that the Catholic Church went to extraordinary lengths, including murder, to prevent that information from ever getting out, that it would so destroy belief systems.
In fact, that the second Savior had been not male but female, and hence the name, the title of the book, The Daughter of God.
But even that kind of information would be so disruptive to society in general that people would be killed to prevent its release.
That there were, you know, the premise of the book was that there were hardcore facts that such a savior existed.
And of course, you can imagine, at any rate, I don't want to ruin the book for anybody, but that would be disruptive information.
On the wildcard line, you're on the air with John Lear.
Good morning.
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Good morning.
It's so great to have you, Rod.
My question to Listen Lear is this.
Some time ago, a couple of years ago, you know, like most Art Bell fans, I fell asleep on the show and I woke up, so I don't know exactly who said this.
But I woke up and I heard somebody say that the United States government was abducting people to work as slaves on the moon.
It's bad enough if it's aliens, but our own government.
Have you heard of this?
Do you know whose theory this is?
How do they families of the world?
How do they work into your general theories as well?
Now, in the briefing that you gave me earlier, you clearly alluded to the fact that we'd had dealings with the aliens, that a deal had been cut to allow some abductions for whatever motivation and reason they wanted to do them in return for technology.
Is that still the case, as far as you know, that we're being more or less shut out from getting this new technology that was promised?
You know, that was, I heard that about 15 years ago, and Linda Moltenhow was the one that originally gave me that information.
Whether it's still going on, I don't know.
I do know that the technology we have, not only at our test site, and let me explain that Area 51 is just one of about 30 AAOs air access only.
At least there were 10, 15 years ago, and I'm sure there's at least that many.
So all kinds of technology is going on.
The problem is it's all so secret that they can't use any of it.
I read a story in the First Gulf War that they had all kinds of stuff that they could use, but it was so secret they couldn't get a clearance to use it.
In an age where we're beginning to wonder where our next kilowatt is coming from, when the amount of coal and oil, or at least oil available in the world, is going to be, I don't know, 30 or 40 years within or even before that, it's going to start to choke us, and we need technological advance because we need power.
So do you suppose some of this, I mean, you do have to suppose almost that some of these propulsion systems, for example, John, could be used to provide the power that the world needs and may have to end up going to war over if we don't get.
In other words, I mean, there's abundant power in antimatter reactors, but we don't have any way to contain it or make the fuel necessary.
Now, they can, you know, the aliens can give us, you know, 100 megawatt generators of the size of a hundred megawatt generators of the size of an ice chest, but that's just one.
I don't think they'd supply them abundantly to us.
Okay, he wrote a very book called Inherit the Stars.
That was all about a planet that's supposedly where the asteroid belt is, was once a planet with humans on it, of course, and they became a space-faring race, and they moved then from there after they blew up their own planet as a war-mongering people.
They moved on to Mars and then colonized it, and then, of course, that lost its atmosphere, and then they had scientists or whatever on the moon, our moon, that was actually around their planet in the first place, and it kept moving toward until Earth grabbed it.
Anyway, this whole story sounds like basically what you're talking about, about the aliens, saying that they created us way back, long, long, long before we were even on the Earth.
And that's where we get our so-called the pyramids and the statues on Easter Island and all the other, you know, the Atlantis story and all these kind of things.
It makes more sense than what you're putting out there.
The moral argument, John, for the release of the information, when you look at it and balance the moral question, obviously it comes out weighted on the side of not telling, right?
And I go back over 40 years with many of the mines, the gold mines and tungsten mines.
A lot of things you talked about, I was a part of.
Also with your mother, I offered to put up the money to make the movie about your dad's life, and she thought that Robert Ehrlich would have played a good role of your dad.
And there's so much I'd like to talk to you about.
I'd love to shake your hand.
I'd love to shake art saying I've been listening to art since the beginning.
So I don't know whether he knows it or not, but he's making our case.
I say our case because you and I do agree on disclosure.
And I think that does make our case.
I mean, there he is.
There's the caller.
This is all the act of the devil.
And I've joked in the past, John.
If a saucer landed and the ramp came down and a little green guy started walking down the ramp, that caller and his brethren would fill that little green guy full of so much lead, he'd never get to the bottom of the ramp.
So, I mean, it's not funny.
It's real.
There are people who feel that all of this is the act of the devil, of Lucifer, and they would act.
Well, I was just thinking, we as a human species have something as precious as a soul.
I know I would fight these aliens with every source available instead of being shipped off on some train to some work farm or to be experimented on or butchered.
In other words, a certain part of the human race, if they really thought that we were everything that you described, would want to fight to the last drop of blood.
Back in the 1850s, people who hated Yahweh and Yeshua were quick to adopt Darwin's evolutionary theory to their own scientific ventures and made it look like it was scientific itself.
But now that Darwin's theory has been effectively disproven, new theories are being brought forth, lest the people should again give Yahweh Yeshua the glory.
Are all of these areas, as many have, I mean, we did talk about underground a little while ago, John, but are all of these sensitive areas tied together underground?
Some of them are strictly to do with current Air Force and Navy technology, some of them with strictly civilian technology.
Now, whoever the government is, pulled a real slick one here about maybe eight years ago because of all the stuff that was going on in ufology close to Las Vegas.
They decided to take a number of top officials to a secret area out in north of the test site where these 737s go, which has nothing to do with UFOs.
It's strictly a radar installation, but it is underground and it's very, very secret.
And they took them there for the express purpose to say, hey, look, this is what we're going on.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with John Lear.
Where are you, please?
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I'm in Jacksonville, Florida.
I'm Robert.
I find this a very fascinating subject.
I commend you, sir, you and Bob Lunier and Argbell and Richard Hogan and all you people, because we have the entity that's the subvertive group of people, but it's people like you that are working on the other side of it to make us aware of what we are, with the trail that we are going down.
I find it very, very fascinating.
I'd love to see when the Chinese get up to the moon, some of the other places, what's going to happen when their vehicles start malfunctioning, allegedly, like ours when we start going to the moon and to Mars and places like that.
It's really a fascinating subject, no matter whether we're guinea pigs or not.
Well, it may be, and you might want to comment on this, John, that the Chinese, although completely different than us in most respects, may find their own reasons to not want to make this public, to not want to show us up and say, here's the truth and shove it in the U.S. government's face and the rest of the world's face.
They may have their own reasons for not wanting to make it all public, huh?
And I do recommend that you do that, ladies and gentlemen.
Get a copy, a text copy of John Lear's briefing tonight.
I had no idea that was coming, incidentally.
None at all.
Type it out.
Remember the words.
Get it on Streamlink.
Do whatever you're going to do.
And then sit down and I ask you, reflect on it heavily, very heavily.
Assume it's true for the sake of the question that he posed to me and now the same one that I turn around and pose to you.
And that is, knowing all of that as actual fact, would you then go ahead and consent to everybody's knowing to a sudden release of all of that incredibly frightening societal changing information?
What would you do with it?
Answer that question honestly and then fire me off an email or something if you would.
And again, I want to thank John Lear for being here.
One last incredible kind of program, and I wish his life goes on well.
And please don't bug John now that he's been on the air.
Please don't bug him.
Let him do as he would like to do, and that is live his life out happily with his family.
As for me, that'll do it for this.
Oh, what a weekend this has been.
See you next weekend.
Till then, from the high desert, here's Crystal.
Good night.
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Good night in the desert, shooting stars across the sky.
This magical journey will take us on a ride.
Filled with the longing, searching for the truth.
Will we make it to tomorrow for the sun shine on you?