Art Bell and Whitley Strieber dissect escalating global chaos—Baghdad’s insurgent threats, California wildfires, China’s aggressive lunar probe plans, and a 13-year-old surfer’s shark attack—before pivoting to unsettling solar anomalies: record-breaking flares, Houston auroras, and NASA’s suppressed Apollo 16 footage of a saucer-shaped object. Strieber’s 1985 abduction, involving rectal probes and military-like beings, mirrors British Columbia victims’ radiation burns and "soul stuff" memories, while his book The Key and site unknowncountry.com offer verified UFO insights. They warn of potential human integration by entities, citing Sight Unseen’s eerie abduction-as-interview cases, and question whether government suppression hides a deeper, more invasive truth. [Automatically generated summary]
And with Ghost to Ghost last night being entirely caller-driven, I didn't cover any of it until now.
Let us first observe the normally, and not to disappoint us, depressing news tonight.
From Baghdad, nervous Baghdad parents kept their children at home, no school on Saturday.
Normally they haven't.
Because warnings of an insurgent day of resistance, but they say not too much happened as the daily death toll continues from Baghdad.
A woman said to have snapped, that's in quote, she snapped from stress of some kind, drove her car with three children inside past a police checkpoint on Saturday and rammed it right into a place where the president had been giving a speech.
That's usually frowned upon, and certainly was in this case, too.
Big Bear, California, a good friend of mine here has some relatives with him because they were ejected from Big Bear as a fire moved toward that town.
The massive blaze creeping toward Big Bear, for one, came to a standstill Saturday, thank God, prompting fire officials to let many residents return home finally.
It's lying there right now, not doing anything, said the Big Bear fire chief, but the threat remains very real.
Very good friend of mine, a ham radio operator, has been working a generator for Fox Television doing the coverage up behind San Bernardino.
Hello, Greg.
Up and down the mountain, Greg's been going with his generator for Fox.
China plans, now check this out.
China plans within five years to launch a probe to the moon.
This following the successful orbiting of China's first astronaut.
They're going to go to the moon.
And you've almost got to wonder the way China is moving and the speed, you know, the speed with which they're moving on their space program, whether they might not just beat us to Mars and plan a big red flag right in the middle of Sidonia or something.
And they would.
What about us?
What about our space program?
Well, kind of on hold.
The astronauts are sort of huddling right now inside their spacecraft trying to avoid what we're about to talk about in a moment.
The water was clear.
There was no indication of any danger.
A 13-year-old surfer went out into the waves with her best friend and her friend's mother.
But while she was lying on the board off Kauai's north shore, a shark appeared, took off her left arm just below the shoulder, and left.
All right, I have not had an opportunity to speak with you about what we're going to talk about to some degree tonight yet, and it's been eating at me.
Our sun, our oh my god, the sun.
I put it, as a matter of fact, do this.
Go up to coastacozdam.com, look in the upper left-hand corner, you'll see our webcam, and I swiped a picture, today's photograph of our sun from space weather, I think it was.
And you've got to see this.
The site you're going to see is obviously from NOAA satellite, and it's a picture of our sun and the sunspot.
The sunspots were so incredible, you could look through the smoke, and we've got plenty of that here in the desert, by the way, from the fires.
And you could see the sunspots.
You didn't need a pair of frosted glasses.
We had so much smoke here from the fires.
You could look directly at the sun, and these sunspots are extremely visible.
Well, here's a good close-up picture for you on my webcam.
Go to the upper left-hand corner of the website, click on it, and take a look at this.
Oh, my.
These are monstrous sunspots.
Monstrous.
We had a mega flare, what's called a mega flare, up above the X range, and then we had an X flare that rivaled the strength of the mega flare.
Auroras have been photographed as far south as Houston, midway through one of the most unusual solar events ever recorded in all of history.
Now, we go through 11-year cycles with the sun, or 22-year cycles.
You can look at it either way.
And we're now on the downside, way on the downside of a cycle.
The sun should be resting easily.
There shouldn't be all these gigantic, just monstrous flare sites, coronal mass ejections and flares, boom, boom, boom, boom, one after another, some very severe.
In fact, the skies here in the desert were blood-red last week.
Blood-red skies from the aurora.
So we're getting very much more than expected radiation levels.
Thursday, Friday, Saturday, today.
You can imagine how it's affecting communications on the short wave bands.
The Japanese lost a communications satellite on.
The FAA was warning airline passengers flying north of the 35th parallel.
They could expect to accumulate the equivalent of two chest x-rays for every hour they were in the air north of the 35th parallel.
The astronauts aboard the International Space Station remained in the craft's living quarters, which offered the best radiation shielding.
The storm is extremely unusual occurring this late in the 11-year solar cycle, long after the sun should have subsided.
I'm reading now from an official story.
Something is really unusual and going on on our sun.
And it's wrong.
It just simply, how wrong is it?
It's so wrong that I actually would like to hear.
And CNN, I noticed, had a couple of scientists on trying to explain what was going on with the Sun and basically doing a hey, don't worry about it.
And they're, for the most part, right.
We are protected on Earth from these giant flares by the Earth's magnetic field.
But the Earth's magnetic field is kind of like a sponge.
And it's kind of like if you were to push in on a sponge, right?
It's kind of like that.
That's the way the magnetic field is.
And it takes a blow, boom, and it depresses.
And it stays depressed for a while and then comes back into shape and protects us against what's coming next.
Now, the danger in the current level of activity might be, theoretically, that we take a one, two, three punch from the sun, and punch one depletes the magnetic field.
Punch two depletes the magnetic field a little further.
And then if you should be so unlucky as to have punch three, boom, a mega flare, what could happen, theoretically, is that the magnetic field would not protect us.
And of course, that would be catastrophic for life on Earth.
It is thought by many scientists that extinctions have occurred, as a matter of fact, from suns very much like ours.
Fairly young to middle-aged suns that are well-behaved, normally well-behaved, that suddenly let go.
And if you were to get the right combination of one, two, three punches, there's always the possibility that, well, it just wouldn't work out so well for us.
And as you can imagine, it's shutting down the shortwave bands and affecting all kinds of communication.
All right.
More in a moment.
Stay where you are.
This article is entitled Warm Oceans Eroding Antarctic Ice.
Study Finds.
Listen to a little bit of this.
This now is the Antarctic, right?
Down south.
This is not the Arctic.
Last few weeks I've talked to you about the Arctic, right?
And, well, you've seen the photographs yourself.
The north part of the world is melting.
Washington, writers, researchers said Thursday that they had shown that the gradual warming of Antarctic waters is indeed causing ice shelves now there to melt and collapse at rates that astonish a lot of the experts.
The report in Friday's issue of the journal Science, the prestigious journal Science, aims to answer doubts about the possible causes of the collapse of the shelves.
The researchers found that warming ocean waters have been melting one ice shelf called Larsen C from below.
You see, they didn't notice because the warmer waters started melting Larsen C from below, and the same process probably melted the other two shelves.
They're already gone, Larsen A and B.
And this has several implications, according to Andrew Shepard of the Scott Polar Research Institute at Cambridge in Britain.
Quote, rapid melting in warm ocean explains why sections of the ice shelf have been successively disintegrated, he said.
The fact that warm water is able to reach the Antarctic ice sheet means that other regions may become equally susceptible.
The release of cold melt water into the oceans could disturb stable patterns of global ocean circulation.
The Larsen's ice shelf on the eastern half of the part of the Antarctic that sticks up toward Argentina.
Scientists knew it was melting, but it began a sudden and severe collapse in 99.
They were fairly certain that warming ocean waters were to blame, but not able to conclusively prove it.
Writing in science, Shepard and his colleagues say they have the satellite data to show the process underway in the last remaining solid part of the ice shelf, Larsen C.
This is very worrisome, folks.
They estimated that over the next century, Larsen C will thin enough to collapse.
The effects will not be immediate.
Ice shelves are floating on the ocean for the most part, so they don't cause sea levels to rise when they break up and melt.
But Shepard and other experts have said the glaciers behind them could melt faster if the protective ice shelves disappear.
Well, duh.
That could not only help raise ocean levels, but could help shift ocean circulation and world weather patterns.
So I'm beginning to see a pattern here between the melting at the north part of the world and the severe melting at the south part of the world.
What's going on here, folks?
Reminds me of something.
Wasn't it something about fiddling or some such while Rome burns?
It's obvious that there is a global change, a profound global change underway right now.
Our weather, the ice shelves, the sun, which probably is precipitating a lot of this.
All of it is changing before our eyes, and we are very short-lived little mortal creatures that aren't supposed to notice big changes like this.
These changes belong to the ages.
They belong for historians.
They're there for historians to measure and calculate and think about.
But not people in one short mortal life.
We're not supposed to notice these kinds of changes, but they're occurring right before our eyes.
The polar, oh, you're going to love this one from unknowncountry.com.
Oh, by the way, that, of course, is Whitley Schrieber's site.
And Whitley will be here at 11 o'clock.
And oh, what a program this is going to be.
So this is from his site.
The polar vortex above the North Pole is speeding up, and scientists can't figure out why.
This is possibly related to global climate change.
According to the Arctic scientist named James Morrison, the increased wind velocity may help explain the extraordinarily warm weather in the Arctic over the past decade, which is disrupting fishing, animal behavior, the way life of the natives who live in the area is lived.
It was said they're afraid to take a stand that might make them appear like they recommend some kind of environmental policy, according to the Seattle Post Intelligencer.
Saying that our whole system is based on the cycle of nature, I keep thinking it will soon get back to normal, but it doesn't.
The increased polar winds may be a reaction to the warming global temperature as the vortex has gained speed and strength in the past decade.
There have been increases in average Arctic temperatures, as well as changes in plankton, jellyfish, vegetation, as well as the Arctic Ocean's balance of fresh and salt water.
And it's not just the North Pole that's being affected.
Changes in the polar vortex will have an impact on Seattle, for example, since he's there.
As the polar vortex speeds up, it will shift the jet stream and could make the Pacific Northwest even wetter.
And you guys already get enough wet weather up there, don't you?
Now, you're going to really, really going to love this one.
I don't think the news on this one is particularly out yet, and the news in this case, I'm happy to say, comes from the ARRL, which is the Amateur Radio Relay League.
And this, to me, this is incredible.
Speaking of fiddling whilst Rome burns, we've got changes going on right now that are massive and profound in our weather in the North Pole and the South Pole and the Sun, and all of this is going on at once.
At a meeting September 24th, it was decided that the site near Gakon, Alaska, you know, the HAARP site, which is funded through DARPA, remember we've talked a lot about HARP.
HARP is aiming these beams of RF at the ionosphere and literally blowing holes in it, creating holes in the ionosphere, for somewhat speculative reasons, no doubt, including, in my opinion, military reasons, but it's firing these beams.
Well, guess what?
DARPA is providing more funding, which is going to allow HAARP to quadruple in size from its current 960 kilowatts, that's 960,000 watts, up to 3.6 megawatts.
3.6 megawatts.
In other words, we go from 960 kilowatts, something under a million watts, to 3.6 million watts.
When completed, he says, in 2006, HARP will then be the premier ionospheric research facility with beam steering capabilities that other similar arrays worldwide just don't have.
Under terms of its experimental license, HAARP must transmit on a non-interference basis.
In other words, they can't interfere with other services, but I'll tell you what, that's a lot of power.
And what they do is, most radio beams start out as a very narrow beam from the point of emission or transmission and become very wide as they head toward the ionosphere.
HAARP, conversely, has a very wide beam at very extremely high power, obviously, as I just read to you, quadrupling in power.
And then when it gets to the ionosphere, it's a tight little beam.
So they focus all of that energy on one spot in the ionosphere.
Now, being absolutely truthful with all of you, if they were truthful with all of you, they have several stated goals to find underground tunnels and bunkers, I think it is, to do mapping, to do experiments with the ionosphere to determine what they can do to communications or with it and military, speculative military applications that we've all heard about,
confusing the mind of the enemy, all that sort of thing.
Well, I'm just a wondering, personally, with all of this going on right now, our magnetosphere being challenged, our ionosphere in severe flux because of the action of the sun and the obvious climate change that we're going through and the possible threats that lie ahead, which we'll discuss in detail with Whitley Streeber in the coming hour.
Do you really think we ought to be fiddling around up in Alaska with something that we're not frankly sure about?
I mean, they will honestly tell you they don't know what the effects of what they're doing will be.
Well, there could be some kind of chain reaction.
I'm not saying there's going to be because maybe not.
But they don't know.
What they do could precipitate a chain reaction in the ionosphere, and it could have, well, undesired results from the point of view of the people who live, you know, here on Earth.
Got another article here.
I'm not going to have time to read it.
It's called Can You Be Scared to Death?
This too came from Whitley's site.
And, well, yes, you can be scared to death, and something like this can do it.
Okay, we're coming up.
We're going to do open lines for the next half hour.
So if you've got something you want to get on the radio, let's rock.
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You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from November 1st, 2003.
But you know.
You're listening to Arkbells Somewhere in Time tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from November 1st, 2003.
Well, because it would be politically inadvisable to take action that would do something about it because it would whack the economy, a big one, right in the slaps.
But so then they don't do it.
I mean, they don't do what's politically unwise.
They are tenured, but they're not entirely safe.
And if they get us angry, well, you saw it happen in California when they raised the registration thing.
Out goes the governor.
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Yeah, and, you know, we don't count.
Gosh, you know, it's really too bad.
You made a valid point.
You know, I'm going to get off the phone so some more coast-to-coast listeners can get on this issue.
Well, because doing something about it would mean disruption of the economy.
And the one thing that presidents and senators and congressmen get elected for is when, well, you know, when the economy is good, the president gets the credit.
When the economy is bad, he gets blame.
And that goes for the rest of them, too.
So will they do something that is wise but politically dangerous?
And what I wanted to say is, though, I've got a feeling that things are connected, you know, like the sun, the earth, the moon, Mars, whatever the planets, you know, and our consciousness and all that.
I mean, fully half, if not three quarters of the articles that you read about either the melting going on or the climate change or the sun going berserk up there, the scientists come straight out, at least tell you honestly, we don't know.
Oh, well, in the middle of all this unnatural stuff going on, it is what it is, hand-to-man or natural, I don't care.
Either way, fact is it's going on.
And so in the middle of that, here we go, experimenting with firing beams through the ionosphere.
Now, is that a really good idea?
I don't think so.
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Wonderful.
Yeah.
I just wanted to go ahead and kind of give my point across because I just think that everything's connected, you know, because you've done collective conscious experiments, like I said.
And it just seems like every reaction has a reaction, you know.
And I just feel that the Earth is, like you said, getting even.
And I think because of what we're doing to it, it's a very natural things that we've been trying.
People generally, when they sit down and think about it a little bit and sort of review what's going on all around them, are the ones who care to think about it anyway come to that kind of a conclusion.
So I'm not that far off the mark because I know that a lot of you feel that way.
Now, with regard to mass consciousness, I have ceased all experiments with that.
I believe that it's dangerous.
I believe it's a real power.
But I'm not going to do anything more with it, although I do.
I do want to do some interviews on the subject.
You can bet on that.
I'm fascinated by it.
But I no longer question whether it works.
I know it works, but it could have unintended consequences.
Now, should it get down to the point where something is eminently threatening on a really massive scale, I suppose I could be pushed to use it.
But it would take something at that level for me to begin to toy with what I consider to be an immense power again.
Well, when you, like the last caller, look at everything that is going on right now, any ideas going on, whether they can manage to explain it or they have to say they don't know, it does add up to something common, right?
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Yeah, and that's just probably just one aspect.
The other aspect could be sort of the separation of the sheeps and goats or the cleansing, the bipolar situation where people are making final decisions.
I'm going to be on this side or I'm going to be on that side.
Well, I hope I'm a sheep, but I could be a goat and I'm still trying to, you know, dear Lord, if I'm using less than 10% of my brain, can I have access to 100% of my spirit?
Suppose there was a flying saucer that NASA got a photograph of during an Apollo mission.
What do you think they would do with that photograph?
Well, I can tell you, they'd fiddle with it.
And why would they fiddle with it?
Because, well, because of Brookings.
Same old reason.
The Brookings report made it absolutely crystal clear that if there was contact with others, the American people, the world's people, would not be told because they couldn't handle it.
So do I think they might fiddle with a photograph like that?
You know, I was just thinking of there's a very interesting take on the situation that really comes so left field that people are going to be very surprised to hear me talking about it.
Well, one of the I know back in the mid-80s, a gentleman who was reading one of the books noticed that the star language that Betty was speaking was ancient Gaelic.
And he translated the Gaelic words.
And it was very interesting, and I've talked about this in one of my books.
And now, there's a lot of star language in Betty's stuff.
Another man translated, realized that Paul Potter is his name, and his website is ufophysics.com realized that a lot of the other stuff was in ancient Latin, which, you know, Betty doesn't know Gaelic or something.
So the sun's magnetic field is not in a normal state.
And in addition, in last August, some scientists announced that cosmic dust was beginning to enter our solar system because the sun's magnetic field is not keeping it out any longer.
Now, this is very important.
There's a sort of a maverick scientist called Paul Leviolette.
Well, you know, you've got to listen to these guys, Whitley, because the regular scientists are too scared and have too much invested in their careers to make bold statements.
Yeah, well, he said basically that he wasn't too surprised about what was happening to the sun right now because cosmic dust is entering the solar system, and he says that this process will continue and will intensify.
And what's interesting is that Paul believes that the strange, complicated warning that we have received from the ancient world in the form of myths and symbols and stories of distant past catastrophes like the flood, etc., and so forth, all have to do with the fact that the galactic core is exploding.
And we don't know it because it's coming in pulses, and we can't see the pulse until it's here.
In other words, it's something that you can't see light before it arrives at your eye.
And he says that their warning from the past is that these pulses arrive every 10,000 years or so on a very exact cycle.
And that the Mayan calendar that points toward 2012 points toward the moment of the arrival of the next pulse and that it will be preceded by a wave of cosmic dust that is kind of being pushed ahead of the pulse.
And indeed, this dust is entering the solar system now.
Right or wrong, we'll know certainly by 2012.
And if this happens, then we're going to see the sun get into a very intensely active state continuously now.
There will be no solar minimum.
The activity level will just keep going up in pulses and in phases over the next 10 or 15 years.
Well, what they're seeing is the sun through the aerosol of smoke from the west coast.
Most of those people are going to be west of the Rockies, and it's giving it a different hue because of the smoke that's up around, a lot of it's around 3,500 and 40,000 feet in a thin layer.
And if you're going to look for them, go to a site like spaceweather.com and read up on how to safely look at the sun first, because it can burn your retina in seconds.
Down here in L.A., where I'm living at the moment, it's been like we came out here a few weeks ago, and it was like the beginning of the apocalypse because first week we arrived here and the whole place went on strike.
And then a few days, then there was a week of unbelievable record high temperatures.
And the Santa Ana's were not gusty.
They were just very intense, blowing very intensely.
If it isn't arson and it isn't something else like that, then what did start them?
Because, you know, there's something odd about the fact that all of these fires started over this entire area all at the same time.
I must say that I read my own website's news.
I do not write it, I might add, but I read it every day.
And a few days ago, they had a story up there to the effect that Al-Qaeda had been claiming that they were going to set fires in the western United States in June.
I mean, making a claim in June.
The FBI had sent out a warning to all fire service departments all over the western United States, but the warning memo says at the bottom that we have no confirmation as to whether or not this is true.
So they didn't do anything.
They didn't increase their vigilance in any way at all.
We sort of smell something funny in the air, but we don't do what we probably ought to do Like hell, because they're smarter than we are because they're the predators and they have the drop on us.
That's how I would answer that question.
There was a time when I would confidently say, no, I don't think that's real, but no more.
Well, I think that there is something very predatory about the close encounter experience.
Not necessarily an all-bad experience, but it's very predatory quality to it.
And I think that my first two novels that I wrote, The Wolfin, these brilliant gray creatures that kind of travel in packs and are smarter than human beings.
Tempting as it is, maybe we'll launch back into the subject of vampires when we take some calls later.
That would be fun.
But there's so much to cover.
Now, I stumbled on, well, I visit your website regularly.
You're a source of material for me.
So I went onto your website and I started getting all these emails from people that said, my God, Whitley's discovered something about his early abduction that he had forgotten or found something.
And it just went into all kinds of detail about it.
And so apparently something's happened to you, huh?
First, I'm going to start in a way with the bottom line.
It's this.
Since it happened, and I made the decision to write a book about it and to therefore go public with it, a decision I subsequently regretted, and now I don't regret it anymore, and I'm going to tell you why in a minute.
I always said, as I say in the book, that maybe it wasn't real.
Maybe it was my mind.
Maybe it was something else that we don't understand.
I have closed that question.
It was a real physical experience, and in my strong opinion, was not done by human beings.
Yeah, and so they're going to go out and take a look at the sky.
And they're out there looking at the sky, and they suddenly notice something.
Three stars in a triangular formation seem to be moving.
Now, the second I heard Brian Veike tell me this, I knew who it was and what would soon happen to these ladies.
I could have told him the story he was about to tell me from all the years of being fed information by other folks who've had this happen to them.
And the ladies were very amazed by this sight of these stars.
And they were out of the car.
They got out of the car to look more closely, and they were out of the car, and the driver immediately turned a flashlight on to scan the roadside, because, you know, this is way up in British Columbia.
You don't get out of a car at night without being sure there are no bears or anything around, because it's a much wilder part of the world than down south here in most parts of the United States.
And she was appalled to see these bright fluorescent green slanted eyes in the brush just a few feet away.
Because he's in the newspapers up there as the person to call if you have a UFO experience.
And so he gets this report.
And what he then knows is that there were people in the area who also, at the same time that these women were having this experience, saw these UFOs in the area in the same location.
I was always fascinated by this because I thought to myself, what would these super politically correct people all, all far left politically correct types, think they would never dare to laugh at a woman who's a rape victim.
And I think, you know, I never listened to that again.
In fact, I did listen to it once, and that was to erase from the tapes that I had, except for the master tape, all traces of that part of it because I found the whole thing so embarrassing.
I was going on literally show after show after show, even recently, about a year ago, on Politically Incorrect, and all they did was tell rectal probe jokes.
There it was, and with it was a tape I had, I believe, thrown out that I had, I used to listen to audio tapes of music at night, you know, to go to sleep.
Sure.
And this was the tape I had listened to that night before the abduction.
And I tried listening to it again, and it was like a nightmare.
It was, you know, a lot of old sort of quiet late-night songs.
And I couldn't, I thought I'll never listen to any of these songs again.
I threw it out.
And there it was lying beside the hypnosis tape in my drawer.
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So I have to say, any thoughts on how that happened?
I'll tell you another incident in a few minutes, though, that's connected in a way.
Anyway, I listened to the second hypnosis tape, and you're talking about synchronicities.
At the same time this happened, I got an email from somebody, just a listener, a reader of my website, who said to me that he thought he knew what happened to me that night.
And he talked about a certain type of device which is used for people who are sexually dysfunctional, this pre-Viagra thing, I guess.
Now, until a month ago, when I got this letter from this guy, I had no idea that this type of process, that a device could be inserted into a human being's body, an electrical current turned on, and it would cause an erection and an ejaculation.
But that is what is described on that tape from 1985.
And I think that could only be true if it was a real event.
Well, as you're well aware, in abduction research, there are a number of cases, Whitley, where women have been introduced to the children that were the result of abductions after those children were actually born.
I don't know of any men who have been given that opportunity, but one never knows.
But, you know, I have to tell you that given that this is happening, and we are dancing around like crazy, trying to people will write me emails saying, oh, it was the military or it was this or it was that or it was the other thing.
Anything except it was aliens who are more in control of the situation than we are or will ever be.
And they are here and they are doing things to us and they are hiding.
You don't hide if you want to do something to somebody that they're going to like.
And of course, many other people feel that they have some sort of genetic problem that they're trying to solve through us.
I don't know.
You can throw an awful lot of theories at what's happening or things that might fit with what they're doing, but it all seems genetic and reproductive.
Well, you can leap to all kinds of conclusions that, for example, they know so much about genetics that they are our, well, our creators that they could have created with us, and they're simply back observing and continuing the experiment.
You know, we talk about the dark side of it, and I'll tell you another experience.
And this happened not very long.
It happened about a year after the close encounter.
I've written about it.
I think I wrote about it in my second book, Transformation, probably.
I woke up just at the crack of dawn early on a cold winter's morning with an awareness that I needed to go down to the place where I had been meditating at night.
I can't believe it.
I mean, that I actually, after this happened to me, I kept going out into the woods in the night.
I was desperate to do something that would help me contain the fear on one level.
On the other level, I worried that I might have been leaving my family unguarded, that I might have been drawn out into the woods just to get me away from my family.
And I don't know, but they were never hurt, so I'm not sure.
So anyway, this particular morning, I knew they were there.
I was well aware of it.
I could feel it.
And the most incredible thing then happened.
I grabbed my robe, threw it on, threw my slippers on, my big, heavy winter slippers, and went out into the snow, went up a little rise, and then there was a path down through some thin woods, and beyond those woods, there was a meadow.
I could hear something in the meadow and see it.
I could see an object in the meadow, a dark gray object, and there were figures standing in front of it, very dark figures.
And it sounded like it was inside my head, but it sounded very clear.
It was not like a thought.
It was more like if you were listening to earphones and you had both earphones on and it was stereo and it makes it sound like it's in your head.
This voice says, when I stopped, I hesitated.
And this voice says, come on, come on.
And, you know, I was not going to go another step closer after hearing that voice.
It was a tough, tough voice.
And I thought to myself, if I go down to where that voice is, I'm not coming back.
And I got a family to keep.
I can't do that.
And I turned around and I went back to the house.
And when I put my hand on the doorknob to open the door and go in the house, there were three cries from down in those woods that haunt me to this day.
They were the most beautiful, most complex, richest sounds I have ever heard in my life.
But to remember when you began to exist in your mother and to remember your time in womb and all of that, I've got to stop, and I've got to ask you, what, I mean, what are those memories like to remember yourself in the womb or to remember the moment of your that memory?
What I'm talking about is a relationship with a mind that is very powerful, that is very different from us, but that is incredibly, intimately involved in us.
memories that got somehow washed up ordinary life because maybe they wanted you to just understand the beginning of life and and because that was going to be part of the process that why me why me I'm just an ordinary person.
I think that's what everybody who has.
I bet those two ladies up in British Columbia are probably saying, why us?
Is there anything about you that is enough out of the ordinary when you really seriously consider it so you would be a candidate for this kind of thing?
The state policeman stopped his car immediately and got out, prepared to try to give them whatever aid he could and climbed a fence and went into the field, and he could hear someone scream.
And whereupon it lit up like a Christmas tree, as he put it, and came rapidly toward him, making a growling noise, making a noise like something like a motor running.
And he heard more screaming from his car.
His wife freaked out when this happened.
And he turned around, climbed back over the fence, and got in the car and got out of there because whatever it was, it was clear, excuse me, wasn't in any trouble.
I've talked about him a few times, but I've never written about him because if I couldn't add a name to a story like that, I just would have been disbelieved.
As we look at your abduction and we look at all the other abductions and what stories have come from them, there's still no consistent theme other than this reproductive aspect that you're seeing about it all.
But the reproductive aspect is persistent throughout all of the stories.
But one of the problems I do have with Bud and with David Jacobs is that they tend to just filter out the stories that are really, really weird instead of they really don't want to hear that.
But the actual truth is that these letters that we got from around the world, I mean, the things that happen to people are beyond belief weird.
I was actually really kind of tame compared to what happened to some people.
I'll tell you something, Whitley, and I have a lot of respect for those two gentlemen, but they have believed it or not, as far out on a limb as they are considered, and both of us really, we're considered far out on a limb.
If you take something that's just plain too weird, even though you might feel it has substantial value, it's so weird that it would perhaps compromise the limited out-on-the-limb position that you've got now, and you might end up sawing yourself off.
But at the same time, I tried the things I've done, I tried to, we did a book Anna called The Communion Letters, which is about 120 or so of the letters, and it really is not filtered for anything.
It's simply in sort of general subject areas to try to give readers an idea of just how bizarre this really is.
And the feelings I had recently, when it hit me that this had to have been real, because the description on the tape is so innocently a description of a medical procedure.
It's totally, I couldn't have, it's not something I could have dreamed up.
And therefore, I had to have been describing under hypnosis something that really happened to me.
And what was so appalling about this is that it's now been there's a child out there, or maybe more than one child.
God knows how many.
And where are they?
Or maybe it was just some experiment and it was used for something else.
Could a person from that make a judgment about how much actual linear time went by or occurred between the moment when you were abducted and the moment when you were returned?
Was there any way that a person might listen to what went on and make a judgment about the linear time?
Don Klein and I actually talked about that afterwards back when he still thought it was a crime.
In other words, he thought that he was dealing with a man who had been gang raped or something by some people that had gotten into his house initially.
And we were talking in terms of about 10 or 15 minutes.
That was what he was thinking.
But you know, the art is still, even as we're talking now, the fear that I felt when I woke up and I was in that situation.
I remember being sort of half awake, not completely awake, and having the feeling that there were people around me, and I was going out the window.
And then the next thing I knew, I woke up and I kept trying to make my bed appear around me.
Because I had been asleep in bed, and it would not happen.
You know, a lot of abduction victims, I'll use that word, have said that something calmed them, that something was done to them mentally which put them in a receptive and calm, pliable state.
And I also remember this creature running away, holding up in his hand a thing like a stick a couple of inches long that had the stuff that had come out of me on it.
By the way, just for the record, because there will be new people listening when you say this creature, I suppose you ought to tell them what it looked like?
Whitley Striber really opened up in a way tonight that I wasn't even ready for.
This has been amazing, and you're hearing details of his abduction that have never been made public before.
So it's pretty remarkable stuff.
And I guess when you do this kind of thing, it's like writing a book.
Whitley knows about that.
It makes you relive it.
Whitley Strieber and this hour, your calls will be here coming up in a moment.
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At least one soldier is dead.
It appears 20 others injured after a U.S. military helicopter was shot down near Fallujah.
Flajas initial reports are saying, I think it's Fallujah.
It was one of a series of attacks early Sunday, which saw another U.S. serviceman killed when his vehicle was struck by an explosive device in Baghdad at about midnight.
A second convoy was attacked about an hour before the Chinook incident, but it's not clear whether any injuries were sustained.
Yeah, I think that, you know, you brought up the military side of it.
Yep.
And I come from a family that's heavily involved in the military in World War II.
My uncle, my father was in the military during the war, and my uncle was in intelligence work before, I mean, during and after the war.
Very heavily classified, deeply classified work.
We don't know much of anything of what he did.
Even his wife doesn't know.
However, after I wrote Communion, we'd always been fairly distant, frankly, but he became intensely interested in me and had me out to lunch at his Air Force Retirement Village.
And he introduced me to his commanding officer, General Arthur Exhum, who I subsequently introduced to Stanton Friedman, the UFO investigator, who and he ended up talking to Donald Schmidt and Kevin Randall and had a brief interview in their book.
But between the two of them, they gave me the information that I base my novel Majestic on.
But anyway, when I was a little tiny boy, something happened in my life that was not good.
I was given an intelligence test and put in some kind of a program, some kind of educational program.
I remember very little about it except it was extraordinarily stressful and very, very difficult.
And I just have fleeting memories of it.
And many of these memories are so bizarre and so horrible that I really will not repeat them.
I will not repeat them because, and I am holding something back because I don't know what they mean, because they're the memories of a little tiny boy who was maybe incredibly confused about some things he was seeing and just not understanding it at all.
In any case, it was so intense and so stressed me so badly that in October of my seventh year, my immune system turned off, shut down, and I began to die of various illnesses.
I was taken and treated not by a pediatrician, but at Brook General Hospital, a military hospital, where I was given massive doses of gamma glopulin.
And I survived.
I came back.
And after that, I went back to these classes.
And by the time I was, I believe about eight or nine, my father had gotten me out of them.
And I know he had a hell of a time doing it.
But I've always sensed and thought that the whole thing had something to do with this.
We used to go from into the south gate of Randolph Air Force Base to go to these classes when I was a little boy in a station whack, a group of us kids.
And I had not been out that way in a long, long time.
I had really just not wanted to go out there, even though we'd been living in San Antonio for about five years.
I happened to go out to some kind of an exhibit that my brother wanted us to go to that was in the same general area as Randolph Air Force Base.
There's a big interstate you go back to our neighborhood on from that area, Interstate 35.
We were driving along Interstate 35.
Ann was with me.
And all of a sudden, we were on a country road.
I didn't notice going off the interstate, and neither did she.
And we went over I didn't even know where we were.
And I was stunned because I turned on like an eight-lane highway, and then suddenly I'm on a two-lane country road and with my wife wide awake in the car right beside me.
And I turned to her and I said, Where are we?
At that moment, we come up over a little rise, and the head is Southgate.
I had somehow returned to Southgate, where I had been going when I was a little boy in that station.
The door opened or I'll tell you, I was saying earlier that this the way it happened, first there was this the letter shows up about electroejaculation.
Then I have the tapes reappear in my life, in my drawer.
I've tried to think of it from that angle, kind of like if I was in the government and I knew there was a profound reason why this shouldn't get out to the public, that there would be some, I don't know, uncontrollable reaction, then I might really go to great lengths to prevent that from occurring.
Either an official statement is made at some level of government that this is happening, or an event occurs so overwhelmingly incontrovertible that the media is forced and the scientific community are forced to admit that it's real.
That's not going to happen because it's clear that what the visitors are doing is not something that we would necessarily want done.
Therefore, they're certainly not going to break the secrecy.
And the government's not going to break it because of what we just discussed.
You can hear it privately from Linda Moulton Howe.
You can hear it privately from Dr. Greer.
You can hear it privately from a lot of people in ufology that an awful lot of people involved in this field of investigation have passed on rather unexpectedly.
First of all, Congressman Schiff was a tremendous shock.
He gets a skin cancer, skamous cell carcinoma, which is easily curable, dies of it because it transmutates into this awful thing I didn't want to talk about.
And then Bill Mallow, brilliant scientist, an impeccable reputation, one of the great leading material scientists of the world, is at Southwest Research Institute, superb equipment, contacts out the bazoo, and he'll do anything we ask, despite the fact that the director of Southwest says to him,
our CIA client takes a dim view of this UFO research.
And he gives us superb help.
Analyzes implants for Dr. Roger Lear, even put me in a signals acquisition laboratory to try to get a signal out of this little bugger in my ear.
A wonderful man, another one, Jim Furing, works with Roger Lear, a brilliant man, a tremendous scientific reputation.
Both of these men dead within three months of each other.
One with a cancer of the pancreas that came out of nowhere.
The other, Bill Mallow, with two different kinds of leukemia at the same time.
No doctor, the doctor's never seen anything like it before.
we will get the phones uh... in this next segment i absolutely promise i get these great uh... computer uh... messages from all of you call fast-blast
You can send me one up on the website.
And I thought this one from Meredith was really good.
Meredith says, kind of curious if the author thought the movie, meaning the author, meaning, of course, Whitley, thought the movie Communion starring Christopher Walken was an accurate representation of his experience or close or, you know, it's a good question.
family is pretty accurate and I don't know if anyone could ever make a movie that captures he captured sort of the ambiguous ambiguity of the way I felt toward the end fairly well but the emotional impact of the filming and the most you know And as far as the factual accuracy, I just don't know.
You know, something incredibly creepy occurred to me during the break.
And that is I was thinking about all the letters from women talking about eggs being removed and these, you know, things that were pressing something against my stomach.
And men having what happened to me happened to them.
And I thought to myself, what if these children are here among us?
What if they are somehow or another but Hopkins talks about hybrids, but I think that's maybe not what it's about.
Maybe it's not only about the human soul, but about their soul.
And maybe they are literally integrating themselves into our world in human bodies, but inside it's somebody very different.
I mean, they would be going into places of government, for example.
And there would be, like, you know, I had a time in my life when I ended up trapped between the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the National Security Agency.
And it was a mess.
I mean, they were basically asking me questions and then trying to find out the Senate guys were trying to pry out of the NSA whether or not they knew anything about this and using and coming to me and asking me questions that they would then use in these meetings.
And I didn't get much inside information.
I could tell from the questions that they thought that somebody in the government knew something that they weren't telling the Senate about, either UFOs or abductions or something.
But it occurred to me that if they wanted to keep this secret, the place they would go would be into the government.
They would be in the government.
They would be the actual keepers of the secret.
And I thought to myself, you know, when somebody like Stephen Greer struggles to get this out of the government, maybe he's not really even asking the government.
Maybe he's asking the aliens themselves without realizing it.
The actual thing, if I want to promote anything, if anyone is interested, my website, I think, is a fabulous website.
It has daily news of the edge.
Every day, they put up a whole new set of stories.
It is, for example, the only general media place where you could get really solid news about the sun for the longest time until long after it had really started blowing off.
If we went to another planet and say Chinese scientists abducted people and examined them, and American scientists and astronauts did the same thing, their approaches would be entirely different.
You know, in some ways, I look for positive areas of this too, and that we are the center of attention of so many apparently different groups of people who are way beyond us.
It's kind of interesting in a way.
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It gives you the feeling that there must be more about us.
Yeah, he's a UFO investigator whose position is that everybody out there probably ought to take a step back and not be damn sure that these visitors have our best interests in mind.
You know, he takes the very, I think, reasonable position that it's their best interests and that their best interests may not coincide with our best interests.
In other words, they may not be the warm-friendly folk that a lot of people hope and believe they are.
But Mr. Schrieber, I had a question about, I don't know if you heard about this W mapping thing going on, about this dark matter, and maybe a possibility these people are trying to tie us into maybe their ability to transcend both those realms.
Well, first of all, the whole issue of dark matter and dark energy is a huge one because we're actually talking about most of the material in the universe, and we have never even seen it.
Number one.
Number two, there was a really interesting discussion going on right now in physics about so-called brain, that's B-R-A-N-E, worlds, which are real physical worlds that exist in the same space that ours exists.
Well, see, if these folks are coming from such worlds, it means that it may be that the physics of their worlds is very, very different from ours, and that they may be coming from so close to us.
You know, I had on that they're literally right here.
I had the Astronomer Royal on Dreamland a couple of months ago, Sir Martin Rees, and he said a very, very interesting thing in the interview.
He said that as we understand it, the barrier between these parallel universes would be so impossible to cross that it would take all of the energy in our universe to enable us to cross the barrier to another one.
And he will quickly tell you that a type 3 civilization, which is not outrageous to contemplate if life is common everywhere, that there are type 3s, would easily have the kind of power you just described at their fingertips and could manipulate that kind of opening and that kind of travel.
So, not so outrageous.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Streeber.
Well, I didn't know about the satellite, but of course, in this particular case, in the case in British Columbia, these lights became much larger and eventually were virtually right at ground level.
So it certainly wasn't a satellite in that case.
I would not be comfortable if I saw three stars moving and moving because that to me means the grays.
It's such an honor to talk to the two of you at the same time.
Whitley, I just want to thank you very much for being as courageous as you are to have done what you've done with your life, with your experiences, because my earliest recollection in my lifetime was being a baby in my crib and seeing the face of the being that was on your book, Communion, peering down at me.
And, you know, how a baby will flail their arms and scream and kick and start screaming and stuff.
I was waiting for my parents to come and rescue me, but they never did.
And I just have to tell you that when I saw the face of that being for the first time on the cover of your book, I nearly went to my knees in the bookstore.
And people have called and I mean, have written me many, many letters that their earliest memory of this was seeing this face peering at them when they were in the crib as a baby.
Yeah, and it's been kind of an interesting, you know, having had those same type of abduction experiences that you've written about and that many other people have written that other people have had, you know, having to learn how to live with that and find a frame of reference to put it all into when there really is none.
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You know, it's a challenge to live your life that way and to try to live in the real world at the same time, you know, do your job every day and all this other kind of thing.
And then sometimes you'll maybe try and trust somebody enough to tell them that you've had the experience and they'll look at you and get mad at you and say, that's never happened to you before.