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art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the hot desert and the great Americans, good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whatever the case may be, wherever you are in the world, there are so many time zones out there.
		There is actually more than 24.
		There are places where it's actually half hour, but it's hour everywhere else.
		It's wild out there.
		But it's a wild world we live in, isn't it?
		Alright, um, about to kick it off for Saturday Sunday.
		It really is great to be here.
		If you check out my webcam, which is on the postodum.com website, you will see a photograph I took late this afternoon, which I thought was kind of cool.
		I've got a camera mounted out back behind my house, and this looks out across the, well, sort of what is my backyard, a wall, and then out into the desert.
		And I thought it was kind of a cool time of the afternoon, so I snapped a photograph.
		That's on the webcam right now.
		There is, of course, Fast Blast that you may avail yourself of.
		That's also on the website.
		You go up there and click, click, and you can send me a message with a question, a statement, a rant, whatever.
		Okay, there was a picture on the Coast to Coast AM website this last week, and, you know, many times I'm going to find myself obviously talking about things that have occurred during the week.
		And last week, at some point, there was a picture that rocked me back, or a set of pictures, more likely.
		And these are obviously NASA pictures.
		They were obviously taken from space.
		And I'm telling you, I just about lost it when I saw them.
		Now, I know that the Antarctic and the Arctic have been melting.
		However, I had not had it graphically displayed for me in the manner that it is graphically displayed.
		So I called tonight Powers It Be with the website and had them put it back up, in fact, on the front page of the website.
		It's a picture from space of our world, specifically of the Arctic.
		And there's two pictures, one taken in 1990 and the other in 1999.
		I have no idea with reference to what reason it was done during the week.
		I'm sure there was a relevant guest, but my God, look at these photographs.
		In 1990, it's all white.
		It's all ice.
		It's all snow.
		It's what you would expect of the Arctic.
		And now, in 1999, I should say now, it's been several years since, if you'll look at the photograph, you will see mostly blue and very little white.
		Most of the Arctic, or the majority of the Arctic, I guess it would be fair to say to the eye, to my eye, has melted, and now it's water.
		With this going on at the top of the world and the incredible calving going on at the bottom of the world, it is clear we are in the middle of a really big change.
		So I had them put the pictures back up.
		I mean, go up there, and again, I have no idea why they originally had them up, what it was in reference to, but it really doesn't matter.
		Your eyes will tell you the story.
		1990 and 1999.
		Wow.
		We are in the middle of some big kind of change.
		Reminding you, if you have a guest you'd like to see on the air, or you are a guest with a really cool story, you can email me.
		I'm artbell at mindspring.com.
		Two email addresses, actually.
		Artbell at mindspring.com or artbell at aol.com.
		Looking around the world a little bit now.
		A Palestinian woman wrapped in explosives has blown herself up.
		It occurred Saturday inside a seaside restaurant popular with both Arabs and Jews killing 19 bystanders, including four children.
		The bombing prompts new calls for Israel to act on threats to expel Yasser Arafat.
		In other words, toss him out of the country.
		Our president branded a bombing in Israel that killed 19 Saturday as despicable, saying the attack was a reminder of the Palestinians' need to combat terrorism.
		Arnold went on the attack Saturday denouncing the latest sexual harassment allegations made against him as untrue and charging that all of the 11th hour accusations were intended to wreck his campaign for governor.
		And it remains to be seen, of course, whether it will do that, but we'll know soon, won't we?
		In Las Vegas last night, word reaching us, you know, the premier Las Vegas act now for some time has been Siegfried and Roy.
		And as you must know by now, illusionist Roy Horn of that duo remains in the hospital.
		He's in critical condition Saturday.
		One day after a tiger attacked him during a show, it reached up, it was said on Matt's site, Matt Drudge, and dragged him off like a rag doll.
		Authorities say they still really don't know what his chances for recovery are, but he's still alive now.
		But I mean, it grabbed him by the neck.
		My God, it was awful.
		It was my understanding it was the first time that particular tiger had been on stage.
		Can you imagine that?
		Can you imagine that?
		A tiger just grabbing you by the neck.
		And you can easily imagine the injuries that would result from that.
		And of course, I've been following the story that broke this week of Rush Limbaugh and the allegations of the abuse painkillers.
	Good Lord.
	Talk about a rush to judgment.
	Sorry for that, but it was a rush to judgment.
	After all, without the facts, and we really don't have the facts yet, do we?
	Without them being known yet, crucifixion would already seem to have occurred in the media.
	That's right, crucifixion.
	You know, I'm really not a Republican or a Democrat.
	In fact, really, I'm a registered libertarian, and I have been now for over a decade.
	Beyond my core beliefs, you know, in the sanctity of individual privacy and behavior, and a lot more that make me a libertarian, I've started to notice for some time now that what used to be polite discourse between the right and the left politically has turned blood mean.
	Now, I mean blood-mean unbridled joy at the sometimes flawed human behavior of anybody who doesn't share our point of view of the world politically or whatever.
	Well, there's a nasty streak that's crept into people who used to simply disagree or agree to disagree or whatever, and it's really nasty out there, kind of like sharks who see the red tint in the water, particularly when someone who has achieved someone like Rush, for example, who whether you agree or disagree with him, is obviously enormously talented, enormously talented.
	To sit in that seat every day for that many years, just enormously talented.
	God, we really love to try and bring people down, don't we?
	Why is that anyway?
	Why do we do that?
	You know, Rush and I work for the same company, and the words I say now have nothing to do with anything my company said to me, which is zero, by the way.
	We're both talk show hosts, and I just can't tell you how much respect I have for what Rush has achieved over the years.
	Man, what a haul it's been.
	I, believe me, I know myself what a media feeding frenzy is like.
unidentified		It's awful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Awful.
		But you mark my words.
		Rush will get through all of this just fine, like the pro he is.
		And to those of you who take so much joy at the man's situation, all I can say is shame on you.
		The End In mere moments, we are going to open the lines, and for half an hour, you can blast away about anything you want to talk about.
		So stand by for that.
		Now, one of the world's greatest mysteries, and I don't say that lightly, crop circles are one of the world's greatest mysteries.
		They haven't been solved other than a couple guys with chains and wards.
		The important ones, the big ones, were not done, have not been done by human beings.
		There's no question about it.
		Was a big one just cropped up, so to speak, in Ohio.
		Ohio farmer Dale Mark has a crop circle in his soybean field.
		You ought to see it.
		Passengers flying overhead in a private airplane last week discovered the whole thing.
		And one part of the design seems to be a circle surrounding a triangle, whatever that might mean.
		Another resembling a peace sign, and a third looks like a bullseye.
		His wife, Mary Ellen, is puzzled because the circles are on land that's extremely difficult to get to from the road.
		She says, quote, it does make you wonder because there's no in or out.
		Researcher Jeffrey Wilson says the circle was created four to five weeks ago, even though it was only recently discovered.
		The ground is very isolated and you can't see it from the roadway, he said.
		We think it would not be the place that a hoaxer would go because no one would see it.
		In addition, it would appear to be the real McCoy.
		In other words, it's been irradiated in some manner.
		Some kind of microwave energy or something very similar to microwave energy has created this.
		And we don't, of course, know what that is, but trust me when I tell you, there is nothing that I know of that a man has short of perhaps something radiated from a satellite that might do this.
		Otherwise, this continues to be, this one in Ohio, the ones in Europe, the ones around the world that aren't done by guys with chains and boards, continue to be one of the biggest mysteries, in my opinion, in the world.
		Here's an interesting little story from the Goddard Space Flight Center.
		A satellite data since 1998 is indicating the bulge in the Earth's gravity field at the equator is growing.
		And scientists think that the ocean may hold the answer to the mystery of how the changes in the trends of Earth's gravity are occurring.
		Now, over the years, I've done a few programs in which people began to notice a change in magnetic north.
		And sure enough, you know, magnetic north does vary around a little bit.
		The magnetic field does shift a little bit, but it's been doing some pretty good jiggles lately.
		And, by the way, if you haven't seen it yet, I think it's out now, no, I know it's out on DVD, The Core.
		There's a movie called The Core.
		Now, it is a science fiction movie about what would happen if the Earth's magnetic field stopped.
		Something we've talked about on this program more than just once.
		And in this fictional account, the Earth's magnetic field does stop.
		And I won't tell you any more about it than that, but it's really a pretty good movie.
		Pretty darn good movie.
		Now, it didn't get a lot of attention when it was in the theaters.
		But I watched it all the way through, and I really enjoyed it.
		I thought The Core was an excellent movie.
		So, while our real field does jiggle around a little bit, there have been various stories about what might happen if the Eris Magnetic Field stopped.
		And there's a pretty good rendition in that movie of what would occur.
unidentified		It's pretty scary stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, the following is gossip, but it's a pretty interesting gossip.
		It's from a Boeing, or said to be from a Boeing insider.
		Now you never know.
		This could be pure BS, but I want to read it to you anyway.
		He says that Boeing is leaving our area.
		Most Puget Sound sounders have already figured that out.
		They are slowly folding all their plants down, even have plans currently drawn to build large housing developments with the land they leave behind.
		Remember, all this is speculation.
		Boeing is a big deal for us.
		So it makes the area sad to lose so many jobs, but our cost of doing business is way high in the Seattle-Tacoma area, way too high for them to remain profitable there.
		But here is the real reason this departure is taking place.
		All their air transport is going to be drastically changed.
		They have developed highly reliable small personal transports.
		Get this.
		Freight, too, designed kind of like Star Trek to move individuals from point A to Z with materialization within certain short areas, he said, of about 10 miles in radius to begin with.
		They plan to start with cargo.
		And then when the public, all of you, sees how well it goes, they're going to move on to people.
		They already know it works with people, but know that it's going to take a lot of PR to make people feel safe.
		He mentioned the transport areas rather, are round discs.
		Imagine this with different colors according to weight or size.
		He said it reminded him of a twister game when you look at the grid.
		Example, you'd put a certain weight cargo on a red disc and it would transfer to another red disc.
		These discs will start as platforms in main areas, but as time progresses, they plan for them to be like bus stops, close and easy access, with a pre-purchase of tickets on a smart card that would be read with all sorts of other info as you stand on the disc.
		Second, new generation of planes, which will be anti-gravity type planes that work totally differently than jets.
		No need for large airports.
		They're reworking the future transportation and plan to bring all of this about in approximately the year 2010.
		These plans are smaller than the huge 777s, planes rather, that are now used, because it will be for people only.
		And like short-haul ferries, they will work so fast and easy, they'll just speed 50 people from any point to any point.
		So small city centers can be used as depots.
		So he says that's what's going on with Boeing.
		Indeed, just gossip.
		It is probably not true.
		However, one never knows.
		Wouldn't it be something if they were really on to something of that magnitude?
		And they knew the entire aircraft industry was going to be completely different.
		And we were all going to be transported like Star Trek, and that's why they're doing what they're doing.
		I rather think it's the first thing he said, but you never know.
		Mysterious tiles.
		That's right.
		Mysterious tiles have been turning up all over the U.S. They're about the size of license plates, and they come embedded in the street, and they all say the same thing.
		Here's what they say.
		Toynbee idea in Kubrick's 2001, Resurrect Dead on Planet Jupiter.
		These are embedded in the streets.
		Toynbee idea in Kubrick's 2001, Resurrect Dead on Planet Jupiter.
		Doug Wargle writes in the Kansas City Star that he first spotted one in his hometown in 1996.
		So they've been around for a while, and it's still there today, by the way.
		He did some internet research and found that there have been more than 100 now, 130 actually, of these Toynbee tiles seen in at least 20 cities around the U.S., two in South America.
		In New York, around 50 tiles have been found.
		In Philadelphia, about 30.
		20 have been spotted in Baltimore, 16 in D.C. Jeff Martin, supervisor of street maintenance and repair for Kansas City, says, when you look at it closely, you can see it's some kind of epoxy or maybe super hard plastic that's actually inlaid in the asphalt itself.
		To do this, he says, would require a lot of prep.
		You'd have to heat the road surface.
		You'd have to have special equipment.
		An operation like this would take some time.
		And if you wanted to avoid being seen while you were installing something like this, it would require some serious planning.
		Whoever did this has fairly sophisticated know-how.
		Now, what do you suppose that would mean?
		Toynby idea in Kubrick's 2001, resurrect dead on planet Jupiter.
		UFOs are being seen in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
		Now, these are not kids.
		They're people in their 50s, professional people, not into, they say, hallucinatory drugs or anything of that sort.
		People look at you funny, says Pam Wingfield, when you tell them that you've seen a UFO, but what we saw was unidentified.
		It was flying, and it was an object.
		David Wren writes in the Myrtle Beach Sun News that Pam and two other vacationers from Virginia all saw the yellow and orange glowing spheres.
	There have been at least six other sightings of yellow, orange, or red lights floating near the horizon in the past few weeks.
	In other words, a big flap going on in South Carolina.
	Now, the following came from Matt Drudge, Berlin, Connecticut.
	In a scene that sounds more biblical than plausible.
	Masses of amphibian eggs literally rained down on Primo Diagata's porch last month as the remnants of Hurricane Isbel moved through the state.
	At first, Diagata thought the thumping noise that he and his wife heard on the back deck September 19th was hail, but oh no.
	When he went outside to take a look, Diagata discovered that here they were, tiny, gelatinous eggs with dark Spots in the middle.
	I couldn't even pick them up with a spatula.
	He said they were so sticky.
	Biologists from nearby Central Connecticut State University say the eggs are probably frogs.
	And because no frogs in Connecticut lay eggs as late in the year, scientists and naturalists speculate that they may have come from North Carolina or another warm location on the winds of Isabel.
	Now, that's pretty interesting.
	In fact, I think I just printed this out.
	Here's somebody who says, as usual, the so-called experts couldn't identify the species of the eggs, but they are confident the eggs were lifted up out of a warm pond or marsh or something and blown from North Carolina to Connecticut by a hurricane.
	Isabel.
	Ridiculous.
	This is another prime example of modern science at work diligently attempting to explain natural phenomena without investigating.
	They don't attempt to explain, however, why only amphibian eggs fell from the sky.
	I mean, where were the amphibians?
	Where were the fish, the snakes, the turtles, the crayfish, the whirly geeks, and other denizens of a pond?
	If a pond, in fact, was lifted up in North Carolina and blasted to Connecticut, as the experts claim?
	Wouldn't these other creatures also be raining down, following an easily plotted path from the Carolinas to Connecticut?
	Well, I agree with you, my friend.
	That also applies to things that go blazing across the sky from space.
	We always say, well, they're meteors.
	How do we know they're meteors?
	They're unidentified.
	They're unidentified flying objects, actually.
unidentified		Do you hear my heartbeat in this world?
		Do you know that the heart of this world lies in the world?
		Be it sight, sand, smell, or touch, the something inside that we need so much.
		The sight of a touch or the scent of the sand, or the strength of an oak waves deep in the ground.
		The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
		Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing.
		To lie in the meadow and hear the grass sing, to have all these things in our memories all, and to use them to help us to find out.
		I, I'm a messy soul, take this place, on this trip, just for me.
		I, I'm a messy soul, take my place, up my seat, just for me.
		Wanna take a ride?
		Call Art Bell from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
		First-time callers may reach Art at 1-775-727-1222.
		The wildcard line is open at 1-775-727-1295.
		And to call it on the toll-free international line, call your AT ⁇ T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
		This is Coaster Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly is.
		Good morning, everybody.
		You know, that fellow, Diagata, who had all of these, whatever it is, fall on him?
		Well, he's trying to hatch some of them, and he's said, I'm going to just sit and see what happens, but a few of them have sprouted what looks like a little tail, whatever it is, fell out of the sky, and he's hatching them.
		Good luck, Mr. Diagoto.
		And there's one more item here about stuff falling from the sky, stuff indeed.
		The headline is, UFO sewage, not from planes, says official.
		You ready for this?
		Wellington, the, that's New Zealand, the mystery of what, unidentified flying object, dumped a load of what looks like, and smells like, sewage all over a farmhouse near New Zealand's capital, Wellington, remains on Wednesday after the civil aviation authority said it definitely did not come from an airplane.
		This is a load, but not from a plane.
		An analysis of the muck, kind of them to use that word, that splattered the house in Tacoopa Valley on September 14th confirmed that it had no trace of the chemicals always put in an aircraft toilet, said Bill Summer, an authority.
		Farmer Shawnee Gordon, poor farmer Shawnee Gordon, who raises sheep and cattle and knows something about the subject, is not convinced, and he's taking a sample to a laboratory specializing in human feces for a second opinion.
		Since she spoke about the day that the UFO hit the house, there has been a spate of other reports of mystery droppings from about the country with ducks and geese mainly blamed.
		However, however, the owner of this farmhouse said, I didn't hear a plane, but if this was a bird, it was one hell of a sick bird, because it was from one end of the house to the other.
		Now, what do you suppose could do something of that magnitude?
		Music One more time, because I think it is so important.
		We are all residents and passengers on planet Earth.
		And I'm telling you, just take a trip.
		Take a moment.
		It's late at night.
		You know, you have time for a little bit of inner reflection about Stuff.
		So if it's a Saturday night, take a moment out and go to your computer if you get a chance and go to coasttocoastam.com.
		That's a website.
		I had them put these photographs back up to look at the entire top part of our world as it was in 1990.
		The top picture would be right on the front page there.
		And then to look at the bottom photograph in 1999.
		And for this not to cause you serious reflection and thought about the direction and what we're doing, whether it is by our hand or the hand of God, or it's just some great cyclical occurrence, it really doesn't matter.
		It is such a profound change.
		The ice is going away.
		All of the ice is going away.
		There's going to be nothing left up there except an ocean that our navies will have to learn to navigate and protect and whatever.
		The whole world is changing.
		This planet we live on right now is changing before our very eyes.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hey there.
		This is Patrick and Eugene Ari.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Patrick.
unidentified		Hey there.
unidentified		You know, the scary thing about that whole teleportation thing is what if they got two people sent to the same little circle?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember some of the difficult moments in Star Trek when they had transporter trouble.
		Let me hit hold here and hit it again.
		And the molecules got screwed up and people ended up in some horrible mixture.
		Is that what you're talking about?
unidentified		Yeah, that's just scary.
unidentified		That sort of thing gives me the creeps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if that could even possibly be true.
		It's just a rumor about Boeing.
		But it actually would be pretty cool if it was true.
unidentified		Yeah, I think they would probably regulate it pretty hefly.
unidentified		But I got a question about a show I heard in 2001, and it was like a year before you're off the air, I think, and you were talking to some woman who said she could fly by using a trampoline to get off the air, and somehow she would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean she would launch herself with a trampoline?
unidentified		Right, but then she would stay at the top of her jump.
		She wouldn't fall down.
		And then the person who was there said, never do that again.
		You're not allowed back in the gym or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I kind of don't remember that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, I like the concept.
unidentified		Trampoline.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Up you go and you stay.
		I wish I could expand on it for you by remembering it, but I don't.
		As I said, though, I like the concept.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Yeah, you're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was kind of like Superman.
		Superman, as you'll recall, always had to launch himself, right?
		He'd take several steps and off he'd go.
		I used to do that when I was a kid.
		I fell down a lot, but I tried to launch myself in the same fashion when I was a little kid.
		I thought it was so cool.
		I mean, just you're off.
		And fortunately, it was the rug I fell on most of the time.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		How you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay, sir.
unidentified		I want to ask you about two guys you had on.
		They both had to do with Bigfoot.
		I may not remember both of them, but one guy was the guy that claimed to have killed two Bigfoots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Okay, that's the first guy.
		And then you had another guy about him, the first guy.
		Whatever became of him, the last appearance of his, I remember, you had Robert Walker on talking with him.
		Okay.
		And he was going to go and check out, possibly check out where the guy was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, the way it ended up was, and I cannot say that I blame him at all.
		First of all, I guess I should tell you that I believe that man.
		I believed him when he did the program.
		And I still believe him now.
		Now, having said that, there was one little giddy app in the whole thing.
		He was prepared to lead authorities to the bodies of the big feet.
		I guess plural.
		I don't know.
		But he discussed it with his wife, who I think properly told him, forget it, because they're going to charge you with something.
		And she was not ready for the publicity.
		She was not ready for the brouhaha that would go on.
		And I cannot say I blame her.
		And so he backed away based on her demand.
		And if anything, you better listen to your wife because your wife is the one you got to live with afterwards.
		Not all the people who want it.
		That's what happened to him.
		And, you know, I told him, I said, look, if anything ever changes and you're ready, I'm here.
		And I am.
unidentified		You haven't heard from him since?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Okay.
		You had another guy on.
		I don't remember his name, and I'm sorry, and it's been a while, but he claimed to have taken the Patterson film, did something to it, edited it.
		Okay, you know where I'm going to go?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, of course, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, the entire thing was claimed to be faked, right?
unidentified		No, no, no, no, no, no, not at all.
		It was just the opposite.
		He claimed that the way he, supposedly, the way he enhanced the film, I don't know, I can't remember how he did it, that if you he saw a whole family of Sasquatch, Bigfoot, whatever, behind trees, so forth and so on, and it was his theory that that female Bigfoot in the film were going to lead Gimlin and Patterson into like a trap.
		Does that sound familiar to you at all?
		I remember that, but I just don't remember the guy's name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it does not.
		I had Robert W. Morgan on, as the person I had on.
		Now, listen to this.
unidentified		This is supposedly the sound of a real Bigfoot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can actually hear the voices of the hunters that were taping this.
		And if you heard that out in the middle of the forest, you'd become a believer.
		There's nothing in the forest, nothing that makes that sound.
		Right?
unidentified		That's horrifying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's horrifying, is right.
		And there have been additional recent sightings of Bigfoot in South America.
		So despite the fact that somebody said it was all fake, people keep seeing this creature.
		So something's out there, sir.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thank you very much for the call and take care.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Top O of the morning.
unidentified		Hello, Mr. Bell.
unidentified		I first must apologize for calling on a cell phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it's one of the better-sounding ones so far.
unidentified		Oh, that's good.
unidentified		Well, my question for you is, I may be able to manipulate matter involuntarily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, involuntarily.
unidentified		Involuntarily.
unidentified		And I don't know if I'm going back in time, and I have no memory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, wait, wait, back up.
		Let's get to this manipulation of matter.
		What do you think you have done, voluntarily or involuntarily?
unidentified		I think, well, I've been looking for things lately.
		I have a habit of losing things.
		And I look and look, and if I think very hard about something being in a certain place, even if I've looked there, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I know, but how do you know this isn't the, I know I looked there, and yet the second time I went back, it was there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're thinking you manifested it back in that place, right?
unidentified		Yeah, well, see, I step on the places on the floor, or I managed to look there.
		And, you know, the people who put it there, it's not me.
		They swear they did it.
		And it's like, I don't know if you've seen the movie Dark City, but, well, okay, I'm not spoiling the movie for you because they tell you three seconds in.
		It's called tuning.
		You kind of manipulate matter the way you would like it to be.
		And I have even had items that have changed and nobody notices it but me.
		And I've seen, I haven't seen the Philadelphia experiment, but I'm familiar with it.
		And I believe time travel is possible.
		But I don't know if my mind is going beyond linear time and I'm putting them where they are or I'm controlling people's minds from the future or from the past.
		But they're rather large items like chairs, pieces of furniture that may be stowed away, that sort of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it sounds like you're chewing over your own problem pretty well.
		I'm not sure exactly what to tell you.
		It's quite a talent, though.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't know if I might involuntarily use it in a negative fashion is my big fear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, remind me not to get on an airplane with you.
		And I don't know what to tell you except good luck.
		And you might want to go to a researcher if you really believe you can demonstrate this and give it a shot.
unidentified		Okay, that's the only advice you have for me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty much.
		I mean, yeah, that kind of thing is incredible, and you never know.
		It could be.
		There are people, I believe, who have certain powers, and I would think that many of them People who think they have certain powers.
		How about the rest of you?
		Anybody out there think you've got perhaps at least one of Superman's abilities or some variant thereof?
		The ability to affect matter voluntarily or involuntarily?
		You could do a whole show on people who think they have powers.
		Now, these people would, of course, generally not talk about it.
		I mean, you'd be either locked up or somebody'd do a quick autopsy on you to try and figure it out.
		So, I mean, people wouldn't talk about this kind of thing, right?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is Vince Collin from the Mile High City of Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Last week, I think it was last week, I heard you mention to a caller that it was KFI that was responsible for getting you back on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Specifically, a young lady, a persistent young lady named Robin Bertolucci at KFI in Los Angeles, yes.
unidentified		Well, I was going to ask what they did to get you back on the air, but maybe I shouldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, that's fine.
		I'm more than happy.
		I will explain it to you right now.
		At the expense of redundancy, many of you may have missed it.
		And here's the way the whole thing developed.
		It's very simple, really.
		I was happily in retirement, if you can call, owning a radio station and running it along with your wife retirement.
		But me whizzing along day to day.
		And this incredible person named Robin Bertolucci called, and she's the program manager, director, honcho over at KFI in Los Angeles.
		And she said, hey, why don't you do a show for KFI?
		How about that idea?
		Would you be willing to do that?
		I thought about it.
		I said, no, I'm retired, Robin.
		Well, I know, but how about doing a show?
		And I said, no.
		And so then she called back.
		She said, well, how about if I call you next Tuesday, you know, and maybe you'll feel different?
		I said, all right, call me next Tuesday.
		I said, call next Tuesday.
		I said, no, I don't think so.
		And then she called me again.
		And I said, well, you know, look, I was sort of going to try to cast her away with this.
		I said, you know, doing a show for one station, magnificently large as is KFI, would be the same amount of work as doing it for all the network, you know, the whole thing.
		Trying to reason this away, right?
		And she said, well, okay, then, how about coming back on the weekends and doing the network show?
		And at this point, I'm going, oh, okay, fine.
		Call the network.
		You know, run the idea past the network, you know.
		And I thought that was going to be that.
		Five minutes later, the phone rang, and it was the president of our network saying, hey, you want to do weekends?
		So that's how it happened.
		One incredibly persistent woman named Robin Bertolucci, just a triple-A-type personality who wouldn't give up.
		And so that's how I'm here.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, my dear?
unidentified		I'm in Sacramento, but...
unidentified		I don't know if I've heard you talking to somebody else just now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, that's because we have a delay system here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your responsibility as a caller, because I come to you without screening your call, is to turn your radio down right away and trust in the fact where I say you're on the air that you are.
unidentified		Okay, I didn't know it was that delayed.
unidentified		Well, I heard a caller say that he knew somebody that used to jump on a trampoline and then stay up in the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he was relating the fact that I had some, you know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It might have even been a caller, not a guest, somebody who said they could do that.
unidentified		That's what I meant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, can you do it?
		Not now, but when I was a child, I did it one time.
		I was jumping up and down on a couch, and I went up to the ceiling.
		I stayed there for about a second, and then I mean, you really know beyond any shadow of a doubt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No question in your mind.
		You didn't fall back.
		You actually stayed in the air.
unidentified		I actually stayed in the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like Wily Coyote just before he falls, right?
		Yeah.
		You know, I've heard this story from other people.
		It is so fascinating.
		I've always been, you know, intrigued with the idea of levitating or flight or anything like that.
		So you really felt that?
		You're sure?
unidentified		Well, you know, it's been so long.
unidentified		I can't say without a shadow of a doubt, but I'm almost absolutely 100% sure that that's what happened because that's what I remember happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how old are you now?
unidentified		Oh, I'm 50 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		50 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever occasionally since then taken a leap just on the off chance that, you know?
unidentified		I don't remember.
unidentified		I mean, I know I tried it again right after that, but I am not sure if I did that again, expecting it to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you just never know what might be possible in this world.
		But I appreciate that because you're one of many people to say that.
		I got a scoop.
		Thank you very much.
		Neat stuff.
		If you can imagine actually hesitating for a moment in midair, one way or the other.
		First time caller line, without a lot of time, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Arts, Tom.
unidentified		I'm one of your truck driving buddies going through Fort Worth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I just wondered, what's the frequency of your radio station?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean the one here in Prump, Nevada?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, should you happen to be coming through Prump, Nevada, it is 95.1.
		And you'll hear it like for about 50 miles around.
		It's K-N-Y-E at 95.1, and you're a good guy for asking.
unidentified		All right, yeah, because I was wondering, I go through Vegas a lot.
unidentified		I should be able to take it up in the Vegas area, can't I?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Highway 15.
		I got to run, sir.
		Thanks.
unidentified		All right.
		Have a good one.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be right back.
unidentified		Be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what you think.
		Could we.
		Have you ever done that?
		Have you ever flown?
		Have you ever suspended yourself in mid-air in any way at all?
		There might be a couple times when I was much, much younger when I might remember, I don't know, a little something like that.
		A little extra suspension than one would expect.
		Coming up in a moment, boy, do we have a show for you.
		Ronald Klatz.
		Dr. Ronald Klatz is here.
		He's the physician, founder, and president of the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine.
		It's a real McCoy, science-wise.
		Anybody out there want to live to be 100, maybe 1,000?
unidentified		Stay right there.
		Wanna take a ride?
		Call Art Bell from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
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		Or call the wildcard line at 775-727-1295.
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		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		You're about to hear a guy who knows more about, sorry, Buff Bumper music, I couldn't resist more about staying alive than anybody else on the face of the planet.
		Dr. Ronald Klatz is recognized as a leading authority in the new clinical science of anti-aging medicine.
		What's going to be possible is going to blow your mind, folks.
		For over a decade, Dr. Klatz has been integral in the pioneering exploration of new therapies for the treatment and prevention of age-related degenerative diseases.
		He is the physician, founder, and president of the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine, Inc.
		Dr. Klatz is highly regarded by scientific and academic colleagues for his continuing medical education lectures on the demographics of aging and the impact of biomedical technologies on longevity.
		A consultant to the biotechnology industry and a respected advisor to several members of the U.S. Congress and others on Capitol Hill, Dr. Klatz devotes much of his time to research and to the development of advanced biosciences for the benefit of humanity.
		I believe the Bible suggested that man at one time lived in excess of 900 years.
		In a moment, we'll talk about, well, might that be possible again one day?
		The End What's being done right now and what may be done in the foreseeable future is about to shock you.
		I guarantee you this.
		Dr. Klatz is a fascinating man.
		Welcome to the program, Doctor.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Arch.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		It's great to be on air with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's been a while, huh?
		A few years or something like that?
		A few years, I think.
		A few years, yeah.
		Doctor, let's start in an interesting place.
		Why do we die?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's a very interesting question, and for the longest time, medicine hasn't been able to answer that.
		We really didn't understand why we aged.
		I mean, you know, it's clear why you die if you get shot with a bullet or if you fall off a building or get crunched by a freight train or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You know, everyone understands why that happens.
		But why we die of old age has been a great mystery in medicine for the longest time.
		For the first time, we're beginning to understand what the mechanisms of aging truly are.
		And unfortunately, there is more than one mechanism involved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then it appears to be a complex, whole bunch of different things that are all designed.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		It's multifactorial, unfortunately.
		And that makes it hard to fix.
		But there are some things that do, that, you know, that you can get your hands on around right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		for example but i mean for the the layman doctor uh...
		do cells cells i guess begin to go that are not replaced from well Well, you start losing cells in utero.
		In utero.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Your brain, for example, the brain cells, you have almost twice as many brain cells in utero before birth as you do after birth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or put it another way, you're smarter before you're born than...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder why that is.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		But generally speaking, we're anabolic.
		We're making more of ourselves until about age 25.
		And then from 25 onward, it's a downward slope.
		And we're losing more cells.
		We're catabolic after the age of 25.
		So everything starts to head in the wrong direction.
		Our metabolism heads in the wrong direction.
		We start losing things like our hair, our vision, our nerve conduction velocity, the speed at which we're able to process information and memorize things.
		Our strength heads south, our bone mass heads south, our cardiac function, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
		And this degenerative process of metabolism is what we in anti-aging medicine really call aging.
		And we don't like it.
		That's why we are interested in anti-aging.
		You see, we want to slow down that process.
		We want to straighten out that slope so it goes straight across rather than hitting downward.
		And in some instances, you know, we're able actually to reverse some of the degenerative metabolic processes of aging that lead to degenerative diseases and ultimately to death.
		You see, the important lesson that everyone really needs to know is that aging is a 100% fatal disease.
		You see, no one's ever beat it, even Methuselah.
		It only made it to 969 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Incidentally, do you have any position on the Bible's references to the 900-plus years that humans achieved on a regular basis way back when?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was prior to the flood.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		The patriarchs were living into their 700s, 800s pretty routinely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any actual scientific evidence to back that up?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Not a lot, at least not in the oldest living people that we can put our fingers on right now that are well documented are in their 115, 120, maybe a couple that are over 121, 22.
		There are reports, not well documented, of people in their 130s, and there was one interesting report of a fellow who lived to be almost 150.
		But the reports that are well documented and well accepted don't really go past 120.
		But, you know, that's interesting, too, because after the flood, the patriarchs were only living to 120.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		So maybe there is something to that after all.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And maybe before the flood, there was an environment in the earth that was so pristine and so healthy and so rejuvenative.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's a problem that I have.
		I mean, I hear you saying that, but if anything, there is more pollution in the world now.
		The ecology of the world has degraded.
		The polar caps are melting.
		All kinds of big ozone holes.
		All kinds of bad stuff is happening.
		But the average age that people are living to, actually through this, has been really in recent measurable years actually gone up, hasn't it?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, it's more than recent.
		It's been over the last 160 years that scientists have had really good strong demographics of aging.
		And these come from studies in Sweden, where they have very, very good birth and death records and civic records of individuals.
		We've seen a constant increase in life expectancy by about two and a half years every decade.
		And this is not decreasing.
		This is actually increasing.
		We're seeing that life expectancy, average life expectancy is increasing, and also maximum life expectancy is increasing as well.
		Vopal and OPEM published this in Science about two years ago, and quite startling to the gerontologic establishment that's been poo-pooing anti-aging medicine since we got started.
		But the reality is that in the year 1900 in the United States, life expectancy was only 47 years of age.
		Well, today it's 77 years of age in the U.S. and increasing every year.
		At the time of the Roman Empire, life expectancy was only about 30 years of age.
		At the time, if you believe in the fossil record, I know everybody doesn't, but if you go back to cavemen, life expectancy was only about, or forget cavemen, go back to the time of Christ, life expectancy was only 25 years of age.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, then, why?
		In other words, is it science?
		Is it the fact that we have defeated some disease?
		We have mitigated some other disease.
		We have science and inoculations and modern medicine.
		Is that what's done it?
		Or is there something else at work?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are a lot of things at work.
		We have refrigeration.
		And because of that, we have plentiful food available.
		There's not this feast-famine cycle.
		We have much better sanitation, so we don't have these vast plagues of intestinal diseases that killed so many young children.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		there must be more uh...
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		well we have better nutrition we have better sanitation we have vaccinations we have That's going way down.
		We're actually beginning to impact slightly on cancer.
		It's not that we have better treatments, but now we have earlier diagnosis.
		And with early diagnosis, you can, in fact, get a cure rather than just a five-year survival.
		So with regard to prostate and breast cancer, we're actually making some good headway on those particular cancers, basically because of early diagnosis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But still, even if all was well, I mean, they say the Pentium chip is eventually going to hit a brick wall.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Don't believe it, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't necessarily.
		I'm just saying they say that.
		So if everything was well, even if we cured cancer and did a lot toward heart disease.
		Still, this little thing, this switch that gets thrown that makes us age is still going to happen.
		I mean, we're still going to bite the dust at about 120 or whatever, even if we get everything else.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, if we beat cancer, heart disease, and diabetes right now, that's going to get us to about 98 years of age.
		And then if you drive a big car, say over 3,500 pounds, you know, one of those big clunker SUVs, you know, and you wear your seatbelts and you get all the safety equipment, the side air bags and all that stuff, you're probably going to make it past 100.
		And, you know, that's not so bad.
		And that's what, frankly, the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine is promising the baby boomers.
		We say that 50% of the baby boomers who are alive and well today are going to see their 100th birthday and beyond.
		And that message, by the way, is mirrored by the World Health Organization, who says pretty much the same thing.
		So making it to 100 today is pretty much a reasonable expectation if you're following an anti-aging lifestyle.
		But what you're looking for is you're looking for a little bit more, aren't you, Art?
unidentified		Well.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You're looking for that magic bullet you want to get to 150, don't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're like me.
		Well, you know, maybe.
		I mean, if such a bullet existed, yeah, maybe I'd opt to go to 150 or 200 or 300 or whatever might be done.
		But there is another side to that, which I won't get to right now, but there is another side to it.
		If we begin to achieve all of that, there's a million questions.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, there are.
		But let me just say this, that we have the technology right now through anti-aging medicine to give most people who are really committed to a long and prodigious lifespan a healthy, youthful life expectancy of probably 85 years of age today,
		maybe 90, in a not too distant future, 100, and I believe in the next 20 years or so, maybe 110, 120 might be very possible, given the technologies that are available today or in the pipeline that seem to be available very shortly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But basically, these are things that can be done today.
		What does that mean?
		Does that mean that you go out and you get shots of something?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you get shots of what?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, it depends on what you're missing.
		Right now, the best we can do is we can look at an individual at any age.
		How old are you now, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		57.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You're still a kid.
		You've got plenty of time left.
		Okay.
		Let's say you were to come to one of the doctors from the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine.
		And you wanted to go through an anti-aging program.
		He would take some blood and he'd put you on a treadmill and he'd put you under an MRI scanner, magnetic resonance imaging scanner.
		He'd scan you head to toe, and he would be looking for cancer, heart disease, diabetes, Parkinson's disease, all kinds of metabolic problems that are going to cut your life short.
		And he's going to take your blood and he's going to look for levels of oxidative products within your blood or antioxidant, free radical moieties that occur when your body burns oxygen for energy.
		He's going to look at the DNA within your cells and see if they're unraveling prematurely because some people's DNA is not quite as hardy as other people's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean people's DNA unravels?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, DNA starts to fall apart as you get older, which is not a good thing because that sets you up for what you and I think of as aging.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this whole process, is this whole process kicked off by these telomeres that I hear about?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, telomeres are one part of the equation.
		Telomeres are kind of like if you wear shoes that have shoelaces, telomeres are like those little plastic things on the ends of shoelaces to keep them from unraveling.
		Well, if you think of the DNA helix at the ends of the DNA helix, there's these things called telomeres.
		And what they are Is they're the end pieces, the end caps of the DNA.
		And every time the DNA reproduces itself, because our cells are constantly dividing within our body, the telomeres become shorter and shorter and shorter and shorter.
		And eventually, they hit a point where they don't want to reproduce as rapidly.
		Also, as your DNA unravels, as your DNA starts to reproduce and the telomeres shorten and they start to open up little sites on the genes, which are these kind of like shoelaces that are intertwined.
		And these genes code for the production of proteins that do nasty things, that do things that we commonly regard as aging, like putting hair in your nose.
		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or you start coming apart like grandma's sweater, one thread being, oh, God, what a horrible vision.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so telomeres, and they're an important part of this, but they're not the only part of this.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		They're not the only part.
		But there are drugs, by the way, that we are working on that can actually lengthen telomeres.
		Really?
		Yeah.
		And right now that research is being done specifically for cancer because the interesting thing with cancer is that cancer is immortal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that's why it kills you.
		I once said that to you, that cancer is the only thing that reproduces endlessly itself while your other cells are going away.
		This thing is just wildly reproducing.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And so what you want to do to stop cancer from reproducing is to put into the cancer by a vector, like a virus or something, into the cancer cell, something that slows down the reproductive rate and telamerase,
		which is an enzyme that, anyway, reprogramming the telomeres within the cells of cancer can stop the cancer from growing and turns the cancer from being cancerous into being non-cancerous.
		So there's a lot of work being done with telomeres for cancer.
		That research also has some spin-off to aging or anti-aging medicine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would only make sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Since cancer is the out-of-control growth of cells, once you understand that and or control the growth of cells, then you control the growth of other cells.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Once you have a control of that, you may be able to use your understanding of telomeres to help to reprogram the cells so that they continue to reproduce in a more youthful way.
		Okay, well, if you can accomplish that, then you're going to be in really good shape because then you can extend human lifespan quite significantly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Doctor, you know where the leading edge research on this sort of thing is, right?
		I hope so.
		In other words, for example, on either reconstituting or changing these telomeres so that they don't come apart and they don't, like a fuse that you have lit, just go down and then you unravel.
		How close are we actually to being able to affect that in years of research, do you suppose?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not just telomeres.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Telomeres, again, is one part of the DNA equation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got that.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		But I think that we're going to, we can already do it in cell culture.
		Okay?
		We can already do it in the lab.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Now, being able to do that in people is a different animal.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about getting from the laboratory into humans, maybe another five to ten years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But somebody's going to be a human experiment a lot sooner than that, right?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		I would hope so.
		I would really hope so.
		Certainly with regard to cancer, I would expect maybe within two to three years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever used or do you use drugs that are at the experimental stage in anti-aging?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you use them yourself?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		I do myself.
		I don't in patients.
		See, anti-aging doctors are really, really conservative guys.
		First rule of anti-aging medicine is do no harm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Second rule of anti-aging medicine is really do no harm.
		Okay?
		I mean, in anti-aging medicine, you're dealing with healthy people and you're trying to make them more healthy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But when you've got this magic elixir, and excuse me for being dramatic, but I mean, if there's a new magic elixir that nobody, or potential magic elixir that nobody really knows about yet, and you have an opportunity to, let us say, inject it to yourself, you know, into yourself.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not quite that dramatic.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this isn't like the, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it could be someday, couldn't it?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		It could be someday.
		It's not like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
		When you say using experimental substances, you know, in anti-aging medicine, something experimental has been around, in our opinion, for about 20 or 30 years.
		Nobody's using things that are just coming out of the laboratory that have never been tried on animals or people before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
		But I mean, all right, hold on.
		We'll get back to this in a second.
		Dr. Ronald Klatz is my guest.
		Oh, what's coming?
		You're not going to believe it.
		He'll talk about what may be possible during our lifetimes.
		You know, so if you can make it to a certain age, then maybe, maybe you've got it made.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the nighttime, we're talking about what we all do.
		Getting old.
		It was pretty well described by Dr. Klatz, but there are things on the horizon that really will shock you, and that's what we're going to be talking about tonight.
		Anti-aging medicine is the real thing, and what they're close to is really fascinating, and the implications of it, of course, are amazing.
		So stay right there and we'll do more of it.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me try once more, because I'm always going to be pushing you to places you don't want to go, Doctor.
		But I mean, if there really was this magic elixir ready for the first human test and there's nobody else around, would you, assuming that you had some confidence in it, risk it and, you know, say it to add another 50 or 100 years?
		Would you?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, if it wasn't a question of safety, it wasn't only a question of safety.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's always a little bit of a question of safety.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but if it was a very minor question of safety, but see, that's the good thing about anti-aging medicine is that our docs and our, you know, we're really very concerned about safety.
		And if the safety is there, then we don't care about the efficacy.
		We'll try anything, because if it doesn't work, we're nowhere, we haven't lost anything.
		If it does work, great.
		Let me give you an example, because I know what you're looking for, and you want me to name names and give dates.
		And I'm going to give you one.
		I rarely do this, Art.
		You know I'm very conservative about this, but I'm going to tell you about a drug that has very good potential that's kind of exciting that we're looking at real seriously right now.
		There's a Dr. Moskowitz who is with the, used to be with the Veterans Administration, a researcher, a very fine researcher.
		And he started this small company called Genomedics.
		And he has a website, Genomedics, G-E-N-O-Med, M-E-D-I-C-S dot com.
		And what he came up with, which was kind of interesting, is he discovered that angiogenic or angiotensin converting enzyme was associated with all kinds of aging-related diseases, including many forms of cancer,
		heart disease, also involved with vulnerability to viral infections such as West Nile virus, poliomyelitis, St. Louis equine encephalitis, and even HIV.
		And what he has done is he has pulled hundreds and hundreds of research papers on this angiogenic converting enzyme and found that there is an association between people who have high levels of this enzyme, which occurs naturally with aging and these diseases.
		And then what he has done with his company is he set up these clinical trials to give people a drug which blocks ACE.
		Now, that may sound a little like out there.
		Oh my God, you know what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many people have been?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		The drug that he's using to block ACE has been in clinical practice for the last 25 years.
		It's been commonly used as an anti-hypertensive medication.
		And so it's out there.
		It's been tried.
		We know it's safe.
		And now he's applying this drug that is commonly used.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To a new purpose.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		For a new purpose.
		And that's what most of the anti-aging drugs are all about, including human growth hormone, including DHEA.
		I'm giving you some examples of commonly used anti-aging drugs, melatonin, pregnenolone, progesterone.
		All these different drugs that are being used in anti-aging medicine have basically been out there for quite some time.
		This is kind of interesting because this is a new one, but again, it's been out there for a long time.
		But if he's right, what he has found is a death hormone or a death drug that our bodies produce that lead to this inevitable spiral of aging.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so then what he has produced is an anti-death drug.
unidentified		Perhaps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And would I try it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		Well, I would presume that you might be in a position to do so if you really wish to.
		I don't know what your relationship with him is, but that's pretty interesting.
		How many people, do you know how big the test is?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, these are pretty small trials.
		He's got just a couple dozen in several different trials.
		But his data is very interesting.
		But I mentioned this to point out that this is how anti-aging drugs are coming into the fore.
		It's not some guy in the basement working on a black box molecule out of nothing that's never been tested in animals or humans.
		We're really a conservative lot.
		But when we find something that works, believe me, we're going to try it, especially if the safety is there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what are the possibilities?
		Could a magic bullet be discovered at some point?
		Could there be that moment of epiphany for some scientist out there?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Right now, the really exciting areas are on DNA repair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		DNA repair.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		It turns out that, again, there's multiple different reasons for aging, but a common threat happens to be this unwinding or this D or this injury to our DNA.
		Now, that's how free radicals happen.
		that's why you take vitamins.
		Vitamins protect you against free radical damage.
		What do free radicals do?
		Well, free radicals damage the cell.
		What's the most sensitive part of the cell that they damage?
		They damage the DNA.
		If the DNA gets damaged, the cell either dies or becomes aberrant in its production of proteins or it may even be worse, become cancer.
		So we like to take a lot of vitamins, vitamin A, C, E, selenium, things like that, to protect ourselves from these free radicals, scavenge these free radicals that occur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that does work.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And it does work.
		Yes.
		People who take vitamins, we don't know if they live longer, but they certainly have less diseases.
		They have less incidence of heart disease, less incidence of stroke, less incidence of certain forms of cancer.
		So we know that free radicals are very helpful.
		As a matter of fact, just last week, something that I never thought would happen in my lifetime is the pharmaceutical company sponsored a study for Medicare that actually came out endorsing the use of vitamins in the elderly for reducing the cost of Medicare because it lowers the incense of hospitalization in elderly people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Tamara in Los Angeles rightly asks, where are we going to put all these extra, very old people?
		Where will they live?
		How will we feed them?
		If we begin to extend the lifespan of people to 120, oh my God, so much is going to change.
		We're going to have so many old people.
		So it's not just, can you make it to that age, but can you make it to that age with a decent, healthy lifestyle?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what anti-aging medicine is all about, Art.
		I'm glad you brought that up.
		And the point of anti-aging medicine is the reason why we don't call it gerontology, gerontology is all about keeping old people comfortable in their last few years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and just palliative care.
		Gerontologists, at least old line, old school gerontologists, say there's no such thing as anti-aging medicine.
		We can't do anything to reverse human aging or extend the human lifespan.
		Well, they're just plain wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're just plain wrong.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		The fact is we can do a whole lot.
		But we're not gerontologists.
		We're anti-gerontologists.
		We don't want there to be any old people anymore.
		You see, we look at aging as a disease process.
		And until you do, you can't do anything about old age.
		But if you do recognize aging for what it is, a degenerative process, and if you're successful with anti-aging, we're going to put old people out of business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're also telling me, doctor, aren't you, that there's a chance, or even today, we have the technology available to not just perhaps arrest the process or slow it down, but to actually reverse.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		To reverse certain forms of it today, but in the future, I believe we're going to be able to reverse perhaps the whole thing, or at least put it on hold.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		My view of anti-aging will be that within the next 30 years or so, we'll have the technology to stop aging at about age 55 or 60, and you'll be able to go on like that so that you won't be able to really tell much difference between a healthy and athletic 105-year-old versus a couch potato 55-year-old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, this is probably a stupid question, but there have been stories and fiction throughout all of mankind's ability to write about such things, of magic elixirs, of things that people may have once discovered, of people who may have lived much longer than they let on, that sort of thing, that there might be a secret thing that people in Hollywood who can afford it consume.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, you know, a million rumors out there.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the movie that talked about that was Death Becomes Her.
		And they were talking about a magic elixir.
		And that had an awful lot of parallels with research in human growth hormone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, did it really?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, quite a bit.
		And there are a lot of people in Hollywood using human growth hormone and the other hormones as well.
		And anti-aging medicine is quite popular in Hollywood, let me tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then there is some truth to all this.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a whole lot of truth to all this.
		Anti-aging is a really valid, hardcore medical science.
		The American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine has been around for 10 years now.
		And in 10 years, we've grown from a society of 12 physicians in 1993 when we incorporated to 12,500 doctors now in 70 countries around the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, that's a lot.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And these guys are not out there doctors.
		Most of our docs are board certified in a primary medical specialty.
		Most of them have affiliations with major medical centers, universities.
		They're researchers.
		They're pretty highly recognized and highly regarded clinicians.
		And they're doing this anti-aging medicine on themselves first, on their families second, and on their patients third.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's obvious to most of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dick Clark knows somebody.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Certainly does.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And so does Goldie Hahn and Cher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, look at Mick Jagger, you know, running around on stage at age 60.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
		It's true.
		I mean, it really is true that some of these people don't seem to age or forever.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		They certainly defy our traditional views of aging, and they're accomplishing that not simply by leading a good lifestyle, but by employing the technologies that we're talking about in anti-aging medicine.
		You know, the kind of things that we have.
		Have you seen my new book, The New Anti-Aging Revolution Art?
unidentified		I have.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And what did you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just, of course, got it at the last minute yesterday, actually, but all I can do is lead through it.
		It looks incredible to me.
		I hope everybody goes out and grabs it.
		And you also wrote Stopping the Clock, right?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Longevity for the New Millennium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've written and written on this subject.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have over 32 books in print, but my newest one is The New Anti-Aging Revolution.
		It's over 600 pages, and it's all heavily documented.
		And it really details all these different types of therapies, both hormonal therapy, drug therapy, exercise, nutritional therapies.
		I mean, it's really a how-to manual on performing your own anti-aging medicine program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's a basic Question for you, Doctor.
		A basic question, and that is: if you went for the whole Magilla, this is a money question.
		If you just wanted to go hog wild and you said, Hey, I want everything done that science can do right now to either keep me young or make me younger, and I've got all the money I need, how much would it take?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Including plastic surgery and hormones?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The whole Megilla.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		First year, probably $25,000, $30,000.
		Second year, $10,000 or less.
		Now, if you took out the plastic surgery and the expensive hormones, you could do a program for as low as $2,000 a year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but I wanted the whole works.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		The whole works.
		Yeah, the first year, if you're going to get plastics, you know, plastics alone are going to be $10,000 or $20,000.
		I mean, you may get by with $5,000.
		Let me break it down.
		The nutritional non-hormonal non-drug therapy program of anti-aging medicine, which covers about 80% of what we do, is about $2,000 to $3,000 A year.
		If you add on top of that hormones and drug therapy, you're probably looking at another $2,000 to $3,000, $4,000 a year.
		If you're looking at plastic surgery, well, it depends on how pretty you are to begin with and what kind of shape you're in.
unidentified		If you need massive plastics, you can get expensive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, if you throw in plastic surgery, while I understand that it gives one a more youthful look, it's not anti-aging in the sense that I think of anti-aging.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think of the arresting of the process more than I do the folding of the skin back, you know, the staples or whatever.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You're right, but a lot of people don't.
		A lot of people are more concerned with how they look than necessarily how they feel.
		But you're absolutely right, Art.
		What we do with anti-aging is more on a metabolic and physiologic basis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So at least at the present time, that would be part of the whole Magilla.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have a lot of plastic surgeons involved in anti-aging.
		And the reason for it is that once people start looking better on the outside, then they suddenly become concerned about how they look on the inside.
		That's probably a bass ackwards way of looking at it.
		But that's just human nature, and that's okay with me.
		I don't care how people get to anti-aging as long as they get to it, because it's really a new paradigm of health care for this new millennium.
		Anti-aging medicine truly has the potential to solve the health care crisis that this country is and the entire Western world is in, because we look at disease from, you know, I believe the correct perspective, which is the prevention of disease and the amelioration of disease before it presents itself clinically and it's incurable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In my hot little paw, I have the new anti-aging revolution, the book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And is it hyperbole or does it really say it says stopping the clock right here?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, some things we can stop.
		I mean, we can stop bone loss.
		We can stop muscle loss to a large extent.
		We can slow down the process of neurological decline and cardiac dysfunction.
		You know, we can actually reverse skin aging.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Our skin has a habit of, yes, it ages, it gets thinner.
		I remember when I was a kid and I cut myself, boom, she heals in a couple of days.
		Now you're 57 years old and you cut yourself and that baby's with you for a week.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		That's right, or perhaps even longer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And that has to do, again, with the quality of your DNA, the quality of your blood circulation, the quality of your immune system.
		And all these are different systems of the body that need to be addressed individually from an age reversal or anti-aging point of view.
		But there are therapies for each of those for rebuilding the immune system, for improving the circulatory system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even though my sweater is half unraveled already, huh?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		There are very exciting technologies coming along, specifically for DNA repair that have great potential art and that might be...
		You know, remember when penicillin came out?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I don't.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You're too young to remember that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm a little older than I thought.
		My wife just handed me a paper and said, by the way, you're 58.
		Damn.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but I'm sure you remember, you know, I'm sure you remember.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Viagra.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here's a Yeah, now you cannot go on the internet, doctor, without but Viagra is a breakthrough anti-aging drug.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Of course it is.
		Because before Viagra came along, what did we have?
		You got into your 50s or 60s and the little guy just wouldn't get up and salute anymore.
		He was tired all the time and your wife was upset or your girlfriend was even more upset.
		And guys just felt like there was something missing.
		Now you take a little pill and it's not just Viagra.
		Now we have three or four different substances that all do the same thing equally as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard there's a pill now for the entire weekend.
		I mean you take this baby on Friday and it's party time all weekend long.
		Yeah, that really is true.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		It's really true.
		Andrews, so now you can, at least with one system of the body, literally reverse time.
		You can perform as well as you did when you're 20.
		Whether you're 60 or 70 or even 80.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		Can I ask a question on behalf of all guys out there about this?
		And it is, well, okay, is it some kind of incredible stimulant?
		I mean, does it get your body going in ways that are dangerous to your body?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		No, it really only works.
		Well, I'll tell you the story of Viagra.
		Viagra was originally developed as an anti-angina drug.
		It was to improve blood circulation to the heart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And they found that there was this interesting side effect.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And the side effect was it increased blood circulation to another part of the body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But in the process of the increase of circulation, isn't there like a blood pressure thing or something?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Not really.
		No, most people, Viagra has very few, you know, there were...
		Just like if you hadn't exercised in a long time, you went out and one played basketball with Michael Jordan, you might just fall down on the court and not get up again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, you're telling me that.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		But if you act in a prudent manner and do things in a reasonable way, it's a very, very safe substance and has proven itself in millions and millions of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it certainly is changing the world in untellable ways.
		Okay.
		My guest is Dr. Ronald Klatz.
		We'll talk more about Viagra, actually, when we get back.
		It's very interesting.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, this is one ride in time that we're all on ride in life.
		And it's kind of interesting that my wife has to carry a note into me saying, by the way, you're 58.
		When I was 56, I thought I was 57 on the way into Las Vegas where I used to commute every day.
unidentified		I counted up the years and I said, oh my God, I'm only 56.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I was all happy.
		Now tonight I'm talking to an anti-Navy D, anti-aging expert.
		I tell him I'm 57.
		My wife brings in a note telling me I'm 58, shows you how much I pay attention.
		So I would guess that the creator of and the manufacturers of Viagra will eventually become some of the richest people in the whole world, right?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're doing pretty good already.
		They had a billion, it's a billion-dollar baby Viagra.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So really, any drug that had a substantial jump like Viagra, which you assure me really does work, right?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've used it myself, Art.
		And all I can say is, well, it's like being a teenager again.
		I mean, I don't want to endorse Viagra on your show, but it works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell me what I believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really does work.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's really an example of an anti-aging drug.
		And a whole new category of drugs are coming out really in this arena.
		You have Botox, it essentially eliminates wrinkles almost instantly.
		You've got Minoxyl, it's somewhat effective for male pattern baldness.
		These are all anti-aging drugs, and there'll be many more of them.
		We have a whole array of anti-Alzheimer's drugs now and drugs for memory that we never had before.
		You know, Alzheimer's used to be a death sentence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they really work.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And they are really working, yeah.
		And not just for Alzheimer's disease.
		That's the good news.
		The good news is they're working for age-related memory loss.
		We're coming around, finally, the pharmaceutical industry, the medical industry is coming around to an understanding that medicine isn't just about broken bones or bleeding to death.
		It's about quality of life issues.
		It's about degenerative diseases, degenerative diseases commonly known as aging.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, you feel that eventually, not today, but someday, a 5,000-year human lifespan could be possible?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Boy, that's a tough one.
		You know, Bristle Cone pines live maybe 5,000 years.
		People, lifespan for people, theoretically possible.
		I mean, let's talk about, okay.
		Today, when I started in this thing in 19, I had the first anti-aging medicine practice, full-time medicine practice in America, I believe, in the year 19 in the early 80s, 84.
		Okay, I was one of the very first.
		As a matter of fact, I coined the term anti-aging medicine.
		So I was early on into this thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you could be the father of anti-aging.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, some people have called me that and worse.
		But when I got started, talking about life expectancies of 100 years of age got tomatoes thrown at me by my colleagues in medicine.
		Okay, today living to be 100 is no big deal.
		There's 80,000 Americans age 100 and above in the United States.
		There's 1.9 million Americans over the age of 65, and the fastest growing segment of our population is 85.
		So talking about 100 years of age doesn't raise any eyebrows anymore.
		So now I have to talk about people living to be 120 to 150.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you could live, I mean, it is one of the points that you sent me.
		You mentioned the 5,000-year mark.
		If you could live to be 5,000 years old, doctor, then you could potentially, it seems, be immortal.
		Yes, immortal.
		I mean, 5,000, 5 million.
		Once you've lived that far beyond what we can live now, what's the diff?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		There is probably once you get past a couple hundred years, there's no reason why you have to die.
		Frankly, there are very plausible methods by which you could achieve practical immortality today.
		I'll tell you about a couple of them if you're interested.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, am I?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go right ahead.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I discuss some of these on our website, which is www.worldhealth.net.
		That's like the World Health Organization, worldhealth.net.
		But when I talk about practical immortality, there's a Dr. White who back in the 1960s did a series of very interesting experiments that gave him a lot of grief.
		He was from Case Western University at the time, and he did these monkey head transplants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I interviewed Dr. White.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Interesting fellow, fantastic surgeon, by the way, a real pioneer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'll say he put heads from one to the other, and they lived.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He caught a lot of hell for that, but that's the transplantation of heads.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Well, if you can grow a new body, and we can grow new bodies now with cloning technology, you could essentially, and very, you know, with a high degree of probability, transplant your head from your old diseased, decrepit body onto a brand new, fresh body.
		And if the circulation is all intact, and if you have a brand new immune system, brand new heart, brand new lungs, everything else, chances are good that the brain, which doesn't age very much at all, it doesn't age nearly as fast as the rest of the body.
		The brain's probably good for 150, 200 years without much in the way of other than a really good circulation and maybe a few stem cells.
		And with stem cell technology, you might be able to go much longer than that.
unidentified		Stem cells, stem cells, stem cells.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		But anyway, right now, with just head transplant technology, and again, this is out there.
		And I'm not saying we can do it today, but if somebody really wanted to, I'll bet it could be Done within 20 years or less.
		It's already been done in monkeys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you said grow another human body, which we can do with cloning.
		Okay, fine.
		But can you really grow a human body that's ready for another head, or do you have to take the head that was with the clone?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a lot of ethical issues involved.
		Certainly you don't want to grow another human body and decapitate its head.
		That's kind of cruel and unusual and unethical, I'm sure, and not really in the tradition of humanitarian medicine.
		So we wouldn't want to support that.
		But you could grow a body that was essentially headless, or you certainly could grow the organs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really think it would be possible to grow a body essentially headless?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		In other words, with the spine terminating there and probably just a little bud that's the brainstem and really nothing much above it.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that can be done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy moly.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that can be done right now.
		And so we could essentially be growing new, you know, essentially new bodies for ourselves and just do a head transplant.
		Now, if you were to do a head transplant at the nipple line, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At the what line, I'm sorry?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		At the line of the nipples.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, if you were to take your upper body at the nipple line, you wouldn't have to worry about being, you know, you would have certainly use of your arms, use of your voice, use of your face.
		All that nerves would be intact, even if we weren't able to affect a spinal cord transplant, though that technology is coming along, too.
		I mean, it won't be long before Christopher Reeves is up walking again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that will occur in his lifetime?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know he's.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		I am really, I'd bet money on it.
		In his lifetime, absolutely.
		I mean, unless something horrible happens.
		So when I'm talking about his lifetime, I'm saying within the next 10 years, 15 years, we should have viable methods for repairing spinal cord injury.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And perhaps complete spinal cord injury, but certainly partial transection of the spinal cord.
		There are some researchers in Israel that have already made some very significant advances in young people who have had very serious spinal cord transections where they have feeling in their legs and they're able to move their toes and control their bladder and their bowels now where they weren't able to before.
		In laboratory animals, in mice, you can take an almost complete transection of the spinal cord and you can regrow the spinal cord such that the animal can start to walk again.
		Not perfectly, but certainly able to ambulate in a reasonable fashion.
		And that's today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then Christopher's expectations and prayers are not out of line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It may happen.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it will happen, Art.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		It's only a question of time.
unidentified		Wow.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		It's only a question of time.
		And that's why it's so critical that the American public stands up for their own future and that they get behind biomedical research that can really change the world in a very meaningful way.
		In America, we're spending a trillion and a half dollars a year on health care, and we sure as heck ain't getting our money's worth.
		Let me tell you, nobody is happy with the health care system as it works today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You told me about Viagra, and so let's try this one out.
		This is from Richard in Toronto, and he says, are there anti-aging methods out there that mainstream medicine does not acknowledge?
		Question mark.
		If a breakthrough drug should come out, what chance is there that mainstream medicine might keep it suppressed?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		It all depends on where the drug is coming from.
		If it's coming from Dr. Moskowitz and his small startup biotech company, the chances of it being suppressed are great.
		If it comes out of a mainstream...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excuse me, did you say are great?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there's a tremendous amount of technology that is...
		It's just that the system doesn't give much credence and doesn't give much support to anything that doesn't come out of the mainstream orthodoxy.
		And so if you're not part of the orthodoxy, you are part of something else.
		You are somehow unwashed.
		And it can take years, maybe decades, for your discovery, even though it could be the greatest discovery in the world.
		It could be a cure for cancer, before it penetrates into the mainstream orthodoxy.
		And usually it penetrates that way by the orthodoxy absorbing it and taking it for their own.
		I'm getting a good example of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because they're too stubborn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because they're too stubborn.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're stubborn.
		They have unlimited power.
		And they have a closed, you know, kind of a closed society.
		There is the powers that be that control health care, and they like it just fine that way.
		No one really questions them.
		And if you're out of the box trying to create something new, it's not just an uphill battle.
		It's like Sisypus with the boulder trying to roll it up to the mountain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, considering what health care costs every year, to disrupt an industry of that size, I mean, if you think the guy who had the carburetor that'll go 100 miles on water or whatever the silly thing was that they rumored, you know, he was killed and buried in the desert as a lump.
		Imagine what would happen to somebody who came out with something that would actually prevent all of these diseases.
		Oh, my.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my, that's right.
		Well, there's already, you know, if you want to have some fun, go on the net and go to World HealthNet, our website, the official website of the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine, www.worldhealth.net, and look up intellectual dishonesty and look up the story behind injectable human growth hormone for use as an anti-aging drug.
		It's been actively suppressed.
		It's been a whole, you know, millions of dollars of government funds have been used, I believe, illegally and unjustly, to create this whole controversy Around a wonderful drug that could save the lives or improve the lives of millions and millions of people, but it's been actively suppressed because this is a wonder drug of anti-aging medicine par excellence.
		It has fantastic science behind it.
		But the gerontologic establishment, the very few people at the top of the gerontologic establishment, didn't want there to be a drug of high note and high visibility that would prove that anti-aging medicine really worked.
		And so for a decade, they actively suppressed the research around this drug and created a controversy where none really existed and really made up bogus science to support their claims.
		And nothing's been done about it, and the media won't even report on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It figures.
		Let me back way up for a question.
		A lot of people wonder about this, and I'm one of them.
		Presumably, the good life, the good diet, exercise, all the right things will really get you there.
		I mean, that's what we're told all our lives by our moms onward.
		Well, a lot of us wonder about these people who eat nuts and fruit and veg, and, you know, a lot of them just up and drop dead.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is that.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		The good life will, the clean life, let's say that, you know, it depends on whether you're a steak lover or not, whether it's a good life.
		But a clean life, you know, and probably manifested best by the seventh day at Venice.
		They're vegetarian mostly, and they do lead a very clean life.
		They have a longer life expectancy, the show for it as well, will get you to a healthy 75.
		But not a lot past that.
		I think they're living 75, 80 on average.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what about that group versus the steak eaters and the people who enjoy...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is quality of life, too.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		There's quality of life, and you have to decide on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good steak, good woman, good whatever.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		If you lead a very clean life, you may live an extra three, four, five, maybe even six years on average, as opposed to people who lead a relatively not so clean life.
		And it depends on whether that's worth it to you.
		But that's really not enough for us in anti-aging medicine.
		An extra four or five years doesn't cut it for us.
		We're really looking at altering the mechanisms of aging and metabolism so that people can be looking forward to a life expectancy, a healthy life expectancy, right on up to age 100.
		And again, if one of these miracle drugs comes along that can alter DNA breakdown or antioxidant activity within the cell, we might be looking at lifespans of 120, 130, maybe much longer.
		In animal studies, this is exactly what we've done already.
		If you're a mouse or a fruit fly or a roundworm, we can easily increase your life expectancy by 40%, 50%, 100% with genetic engineering as much as 300%.
		So why can't we do that in humans?
		And I believe that we will be able to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be my question.
		If we can do it, is it only a lack of our willingness to do research on or our legal ability to do research on human beings?
		In other words, why?
		Answer the question yourself.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, the reason why we haven't done this is realize that anti-aging research, there is no anti-aging research out there.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Anti-aging medicine is a clinical specialty because doctors are doing it on themselves and their families and friends and their patients and seeing remarkable results.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're saying the forces arrayed against this are so big and so powerful.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		It has been the death.
		It has been the mark of death for a researcher's career until the last, maybe the last four or five years, to even delve into the issues of anti-aging medicine.
		Anti-aging medicine has developed as a science by serendipity, pure serendipity.
		Everything that we do has come out of cardiological cardiac research, out of research in genetic engineering and cell biology, and all these other specialties.
		The National Institute of Aging, which is the U.S. government agency that spends money on aging research, their budget in 2002 was about $1 billion or so.
		How much of that do you think they spent on anti-aging clinical research?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Less than $1 million.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
		A lot of money is going into issues of social issues of aging, into old people, some research into Alzheimer's disease, but most of it is administrative and social issues of aging, like why old people in nursing homes are depressed.
		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why so little?
		I mean, why?
		It would seem such a natural thing to strive for, you know, the quality of life and then living a long time.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Because the gerontologic establishment, to this very day, takes the official position that aging is good.
		Let's celebrate aging.
		Hooray for aging.
		Nothing can be done about it.
		It is a natural event and nothing should be done about it.
		And so why bother to research anti-aging?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On a personal level, I felt a little the same way.
		That is, to celebrate aging, you know, I get gray in my hair, the hearing change, all the things that come along with aging, I've certainly noticed.
		And I've sort of, in a way, celebrated them, I guess.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, hooray for arthritis, Art.
		I mean, you know, let's hear it for macular degeneration.
		I can't wait until I have diabetes, you know, diabetes of old age.
		Can you?
		No.
		I'm going to stroke.
		Let's hear it for stroke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's hear it for a stroke.
		I understand exactly what you're saying, but, you know, such an attitude is born of the inevitability or apparent inevitability, excuse me when speaking to you, of aging.
		It seems.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And you're right, Art, and that's exactly the way it was until Sock and Saving came along with polio, with the first polio virus.
		Until then, they were celebrating polio.
		Let's hire Longstone for leg braces.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		All right.
		Hold on, Doctor.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is indeed Dr. Ronald Platz is here.
		He is the physician, founder, and president of the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine.
		In other words, not getting older.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's ask a very impertinent question.
		Sort of a nasty little question here.
		This is from Robert in Oxford, Alabama, so I don't have to claim credit for this, but I like the question.
		Does Dr. Klatz believe in the soul or in existence after the death of the body?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, all right.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		That's a tough one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's an interesting one to ask somebody like yourself.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me tell you what I really do believe in.
		I believe in a personal relationship with God.
		And I like to think that I'm helping to discover God's creation and helping to bring that into reality.
		And I believe that God wants us to live a long and healthy life as long as we have to to accomplish what we have to here on the earth.
		And for some people, maybe that's 70 years.
		And for other people, maybe it's 140 years.
		Now, with regard to the soul, I suppose if I had absolute, complete belief that there was a soul and that there was a hereafter and another life that I was going to, I would be perhaps less motivated than I am now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was a lot of the spirit of the question you bet.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, even though I believe in God and I believe in a higher power and I believe that there is really a purpose to this universe and to this world, I am not certain that my uncertain that my consciousness will continue onward.
		Maybe my soul or my energy or something of me will continue onward, but my consciousness, which I now hold very near and dear to me, which is what I think and feel, I don't know that that will continue onward.
		I really haven't seen any good evidence to support that.
		Even the people who report near-death experiences, it's not, at least what I've seen hasn't been overwhelming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you unsure enough, Doctor, that if that moment was there for you and the opportunity to have your head transplanted to a brand new body, new immune system, workable, everything came along, you'd go for it?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, I'm not sure about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, I was picking on what you said earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said, are you unsure enough of the existence of the soul that if the opportunity at near death for you came along to have your head transplanted to a young, healthy life?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You sign me up, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, definitely.
		I'd go for that right now.
		And it's not even if I knew that there was a soul and there was another existence, I might want to hang around here long enough to accomplish what I'm supposed to do on this planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a good, honest answer.
		I appreciate it.
		And I can understand then why you would be working as hard as you are working.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, we live in fantastic times, Art.
		This is great stuff.
		I mean, if 9-11 hadn't happened, I mean, you know, and the economy was booming along, there would be all this support for all these biotechnologies that, you know, the entire biomedical revolution is focused almost 100% on anti-aging.
		Everything that's going on in the laboratories right now in biomedical revolution, whether it be human genomics or protein, you know, the Big Blue project where they have these supercomputers To figure out how proteins are bending and work within the body, whether it be brain implants or stem cells or cloning technology or new drugs, almost 100% of this will yield results for anti-aging purposes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you explain to us, Doctor, the advantage, the research advantages and what we can expect from stem cell or hope for from stem cell research?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Great news with stem cells.
		Stem cell was always a great story.
		You know, stem cells are basically the progenitor cells that create our entire bodies.
		These are the cells, you know, we all start out from just a couple of cells that fuse during sexual mating and go on to create billions and trillions of cells that become a human person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The whole thing, yeah.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		But we all have stem cells within us that are waiting there to replace cells as they die.
		And it's just that as we get older, we have less and less stem cells and we lose the ability to replace those stem cells.
		But even in adults, we've now found that there are stem cells for the brain and for the neurological system.
		We thought that that was all over by the time we turned eight.
		We were wrong.
		We have stem cells for our immune system, for our muscles, our bones, our hearts, our everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so the promise of stem cell research is?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Is regeneration and rejuvenation of every system in our bodies.
		Stem cells are being used clinically right now to reverse sickle cell disease, are being used experimentally in cystic fibrosis, experimentally in Alzheimer's disease, in stroke, and in heart attack.
		And it's working to one extent or another in almost, not almost, in all these disease conditions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then where might this lead?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		It could lead to major breakthroughs that would lead to vast expanses in life expectancy.
		And the really good news is the government just last week announced, the NIH announced it is going to free up $2 billion to allow stem cell research to go forward.
		You know, there was this moratorium on stem cell research because of the religious issues.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Abortion, yes.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You don't need to do abortion to get stem cells.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you get them?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		The most plentiful source of stem cells are in placentas.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And what do we do with placentas after the baby's born?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We, well, I don't have various things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we throw them away.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		We toss them right down the chute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are millions and millions of stem cells within the placenta.
		And so we don't have to do abortions to get stem cells.
		You can grow stem cells right from your fat.
		You know, when people have fat sucked out of them from liposuction, for plastic surgery?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's stem cells in there, huh?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		There are plenty of stem cells in there.
		There's stem cells circulating in your blood.
		We can grow them in the laboratory.
		This whole issue of a religious issue around stem cells was completely bogus from the beginning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fat people might save the world.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		It could very well save the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm just kidding, really.
		But I mean, so there's stem cells available all over the place, and that's why they've suddenly granted the money.
		It's not the abortion issue anymore.
		Is that why the money suddenly became?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't understand what the thing was.
		I believe it was a political issue for whatever superpower politics were going on in healthcare.
		Maybe they're afraid that stem cells could cure too many diseases, and that's going to put too many companies out of business.
		I never saw it being a religious issue from the beginning.
		Neither did any of the scientists in the field who knew enough.
		I believe what caused them to release the monies is that even though we had created a moratorium of stem cells here in the United States, England, Israel, India, China, Japan, the entire rest of the world were moving ahead, great guns on stem cells.
		And the guys in charge here figured they didn't want to be left in the dirt, and that's exactly where we were going to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So full speed ahead on stem cells now, huh?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		It seems so.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		$2 billion is going to buy a lot of research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let us suppose that we did actually reach virtual immortality.
		The world would have to, by necessity, be a very different place, wouldn't it?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Anti-aging medicine changes everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because we're 6 billion strong now on the planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Already we're seeing effects, one could argue, of so many people being here.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, you know, you can't have a continuing, you know, present rate of population, anything even close to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If people are virtually immortal or even lived hundreds of years, it would have to change everything, right?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, it will change everything.
		And it's already starting to in the first world.
		You know, people are living, you know, realize that it's only been, there's been no such thing as old age in Western, in the world, period, prior to the 1950s.
		Old age was unknown.
		People never lived long enough to worry about Social Security, never worried about nursing homes.
		These are relatively new events, only in the last 50 years, 100 years at the most.
		We are evolving.
		And in the Western world, our population rate is actually zero population, is actually negative population growth.
		The only reason why we're expanding in the United States is because of immigration.
		But Italy has a reproductive rate per couple of 1.4 per couple.
		And break-even is 2.2.
		In Germany, it's 1.6.
		In Great Britain, it's like 1.5.
		In the United States, I believe it's something like 1.7.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So immigration is the way things are going with immigration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We might as well set up a DMV in Tijuana, the way it's going.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're right, but that's another issue.
		The point is that living longer doesn't necessarily lead to overpopulation because when people live long, prodigious lifespans, they have less children.
		Because in the Western world, the more children you have, the lower your socioeconomic status and the less available monies you have to spend on yourself and your enjoyment and your pleasure.
		In the third world countries, the more children you have, because it's still an agrarian society, you need kids to work the farm or to go out and make money or to, you know, a lot of children die during childbirth and during childhood.
		You need a lot of kids and a big family just to keep bread and food on the table.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nevertheless, Doctor, at this point in this country, for example, where the growth is so low, as you point out, it's still voluntary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, if you got to virtual immortality, there'd have to be laws against procreation.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe yes and maybe no.
		I'm not quite sure.
		But the trend has been in the first world to smaller and smaller families, and that is continuing, not discontinuing.
		As a matter of fact, in the third world now, as the Asian countries start to rise in socioeconomic levels, their family groups are shrinking as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If there was a sudden magic bullet elixir, do you think that if the government had an opportunity to stop it, stop it cold, I mean, a virtual immortality drug, that they would indeed do so?
		Or how would it happen politically?
		I mean, would the politicians get a shot at it and their families and the richer people, the corporate giants in America?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You can bet that if it comes out of the major corporation, it's going to be suppressed and it's going to be controlled and it's going to be from the top down.
		It's going to be top down all the way.
		If it comes from a smaller entrepreneurial organization, if it comes from members of the Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine, it will be out there much, much sooner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which is more likely?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		It's much more likely that it will come out of a major corporation and it will be suppressed, or that it will be snarked up by a major corporation, which will then, or the government, will pounce on it with both feet because the government doesn't like change.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		They've got everything wired just the way they want it right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How sure are we, Doctor, that this has not already occurred?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		We're not sure at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		If it's out there, they've done a fantastic job of keeping the science wrapped up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, but then again, they would have, right?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You bet they would have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's in the realm of possible things.
		I mean, there's science going on all over the place, all the time.
		And so something could have broken somewhere that we just haven't heard about yet.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's quite right, Art.
		Art, could I do one thing with it?
		Could I have just a second time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You know, my new book, The New Anti-Aging Revolution, 600 pages, and it's $24.95 at Amazon.com.
		And about $5.95 postage and handling, so it's about $31.
		I really like you, and I love your listeners.
		They're the best show I've ever done all these years.
		I'd like to make it available at a special price if you'll let me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will always let someone do that.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		$17.95.
		How's that sound?
		And free shipping.
		And save $13.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how do you get this great buy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You've got to go to the Academy.
		It has to be through the Academy.
		So call Mildred at the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine in Chicago, and the number is 773-528-1000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, let's get this.
		It's poor Mildred.
		All right, Mildred.
		One lady, Mildred.
		What's the number?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		773-528-1000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		528-1000?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And ask for Mildred and tell her from Art Bell, and she'll send it to you for $17.95.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mildred, who actually is 404 years old.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		She's up there actually.
unidentified		She's great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm kidding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm kidding, of course.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Or you can send an email, and we'll contact you to books at worldhealth.net and send your email address, and someone will contact you and ship you out a book.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And I'll tell you what, Art, if they mention your name, I'll hand-autograph the book to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is a big book.
		Okay, Anti-Aging Revolution.
		Give me just a fingernail sketch of what I'll learn from this book.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Anti-Aging Revolution is the compilation of the latest information from the 12,000 members of the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine.
		So we talk about what causes aging and how to interrupt it and how to put together your own anti-aging medicine program.
		We talk about nutrients, exercise, diet.
		We also talk about drug therapies.
		We talk about how to find a doctor.
		We give the relevant websites that are out there.
		And this new book has a free interactive web program included.
		So you can use the book and you can have constant updates from the internet with this book.
		So it's really a fantastic deal.
		And it's over 600 pages.
		And if anyone doesn't like it, I'll give them their money back.
		I've sold over a million and a half books in my years.
		I have over 32 books in print.
		And I made this offer with all my books.
		You know how many books I've gotten returned?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Less than 10.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty good.
		All right.
		It's Mildred, folks, at Area Code 773-528-1000.
		773-528-1000.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Now, worldhealth.net.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And a couple of things from your book.
		One, how big a factor in the process of aging is stress?
		I mean, we all have stress, right, to some degree or another, but some people stress out like crazy.
		Other people just like nothing bothering.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Good news on stress, by the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really, what?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		It's all in your head.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And I know that sounds tongue-in-cheek.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, look at it.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		But it is because you are in complete control of how affected you will be by stress.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And if you exercise prudent methods, meditation, relaxation, exercise, decent sleep schedule, the effects of stress will be much less than if you do not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, is it true, doctor, that people who are triple A-type personalities, I mean, just really going every second, and you know the people as well as I do, are they going to die earlier necessarily?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they will.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		They have a Much higher incidence of both cancer, heart disease, stroke, and there's some research to suggest even diabetes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All this from hyperactivity, stress.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, from the stress and its negative effect on the body, on the physiologic system of the body, especially the hormonal system of the body.
		You see, stress raises cortisol, which is a hormone that in high amounts will lead to premature aging.
		And so we, you know, even though you need cortisol, too much of it is not a good thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		What about the opposite?
		I was always told that when we sleep, and this is from your book, I know you have a big segment on sleep.
		When we sleep, that we regenerate cells.
		And I don't know, our body does a sort of a natural repair cycle or something.
		People who get a lot of sleep versus people who get a little bit of sleep, I know a lot of people can survive on three and four hours of sleep, they say, a night.
		Others who will sleep for 10, 11 hours.
		What's the diff?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Sleep is still a major, major mystery in medicine.
		We still don't know why we have to sleep.
		But there are certain things that do occur during sleep that are very important.
		One is the release of human growth hormone from the anterior pituitary in the brain.
		And human growth hormone is a major regulatory hormone.
		Every cell of the body has a receptor site for it.
		It controls every cell of the body.
		It also controls thyroid hormone, testosterone.
		It controls the immune system.
		It controls many other systems within the body.
		If you don't sleep, you don't release human growth.
		If you don't sleep well, deeply, you don't release human growth hormone.
		You don't allow the body to go into the repair and recuperative phases that only occur in the deep stages of sleep.
		The four stages of sleep, the repair and recuperation, rejuvenation occurs in stage three and four.
		If you're a light sleeper or if you don't sleep well enough or if you snore or have sleep apnea or whatever and you don't make it into stage three and four sleep, you will not release human growth hormone.
		You will not regenerate many of the organ systems of your body and you will set yourself up for premature diseases, including diabetes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		All right.
		Hold it right there, Doctor.
		Dr. Ronald Klatz is my guest, and we're talking about aging.
		Actually, we're talking more about anti-aging.
		You know, stopping the clock or even perhaps turning the clock back.
		How about it?
		Anybody out there want to live forever?
unidentified		What will you do when you get lonely?
		Go one way to by your side.
		You've been loved, I've been touched in love.
		You know it's just your foolish man.
		Yeah.
		Hey, hey, hey, oh.
		The End
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Want you to listen very closely to the telephone numbers that are coming up because in just a couple of moments, you're going to have an opportunity to call and ask Dr. Klatz anything you would like about anti-aging.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So listen carefully.
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		And to call Art on the toll-free international line, call your AT ⁇ T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly is.
		And, you know, one question might be, how much, with regard to age and the ability to age ever so gracefully, how much is enough?
		Would there ever be enough?
		Where a point where you would say, enough is enough.
		I want out of here.
		We'll ask about that in a moment.
unidentified		We'll ask about that in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you ready?
		I've got one.
		Before we go to the telephones, I've got one, I think, really important question, and it is this.
		If we achieve lifespans, Dr. Klatz, of, oh, I don't know, 300 years, 1,000 years, 5,000 years, immortality, as it is right now, and maybe you can comment on this.
		Maybe it's an artifact of aging itself.
		However, I have for a long time now sort of held the theory, I may have told you about it before, that, and this is almost universal, too, almost everybody feels it, it seems like, as we age, as we get older, we begin to notice that the world is going to hell in a handbasket,
		that young people have proceeded to new heights of debauchery, and their music stinks, and a lot of things are happening that, frankly, by the time if you made it into your 90s, let's say, you're ready to go.
		You're going to throw up your hands and say, this sucks.
		I'm out of here.
		I'm ready to go.
		I Really am ready to go.
		Now, if you lived 300 years, 1,000, 5,000 years, there would come a time, no doubt, even though physically you were able to stay alive, when you simply didn't want to be here any longer.
		Now, talk about stepping into a Pandora's box of ethical questions.
		There is a biggie.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		But isn't that wonderful?
unidentified		I mean, what do you want?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		I mean, forget about what you want.
		Let me tell you what I want.
		What I want is I want to stay here as healthy and functional and productive as I possibly can until I'm either too bored or too something.
		And then I say, okay, enough is enough.
		I'm going to call my friends all together.
		I'm going to get them all together for a big party.
		I'm going to say it's time for me to go, guys.
		It's been a great ride.
		I'm going to check out the other side and I'm going to give Dr. Kvorkian a call or somebody.
		And that's the end.
		I mean, would you rather go that way?
		I think that's a beautiful way to go, as opposed to at the whim of a cancer or a heart attack or a stroke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but bored to death is a rough way, too.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think you have to be bored to death.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And the other thing is, Art, realize, I mean, you know, when you were growing up, you know, the height of technology, at least, well, when I was growing up, the height of technology was a crystal radio set.
unidentified		Okay?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		But now kids grow up and they have digital computers.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		They have radio telescopes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but doctor, you, as a doctor, I don't have to tell you, your job is to save life, prolong life, value life above all else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if we really got to that point, that mythical point that we were just talking about, wouldn't a doctor's view of life have to radically alter in order to allow for what you discussed, you know, the quick call to Dr. Duff.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		How about we just do this?
		How about somebody gets to a point where he's had enough and he just discontinues his anti-aging therapy?
		And then, you know, in a short period of time, you know, things are going to start falling apart and he's going to go to his maker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you what would happen.
		People would go to court and they would say, this person cannot be allowed to discontinue their anti-aging therapy.
		I mean, look at what's happening today, doctor.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		I understand, Art.
		And I'm looking forward to solving those problems.
		I really am.
		You know, life is nothing but problems.
unidentified		Sure.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And I think the people who lead the best lives are the ones who choose their problems wisely.
		And that's the kind of problem that I look forward to solving.
		I don't have an answer right now, but we can work on it.
		And if we have an extra hundred years to work on it, so much the better, don't you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it must be that occasionally the people you work with have tangled with these seemingly somewhat intractable problems with regard to success.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You know, it rarely comes up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		It hasn't come up because people, even though we look forward to the day when that will be an issue, you don't spend a lot of time on it.
		No, we're too busy trying to fight death.
		And when we have too much life on our hands, then I guess we'll have other questions.
		Art, can I digress here for a second on another issue?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You know, anti-aging medicine has happened by pure serendipity.
		It wasn't paid for by the government.
		It hasn't been supported by the government.
		It's been actually suppressed by certain factors.
		But it's happening anyway, quite to the chagrin of the people in charge.
		And there are now 30,000 doctors around the world who have been trained by the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine.
		And what we really need to go to the next level, to start having some major breakthroughs happen, is we need a center of excellence, a clinical research center focused on anti-aging, because everything that's happened so far has happened without any focus on anti-aging.
		And unfortunately, the government hasn't seen fit to fund any of this, and there is not a single hospital in the United States that has an anti-aging department in it, though overseas hospitals and even medical schools are beginning to start up anti-aging medical programs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, you need money, right?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		We need a telethon, Art.
		I need an art belt.
		Not me, but the profession needs an Art Bell radio telethon to raise enough money to create a clinical center of excellence.
		You know, the American Academy of Anti-Aging MS is a 501c3.
		We're a nonprofit organization.
		I'm an unpaid volunteer for the academy, so are all the other doctors who run the academy.
		We need to do a radio telethon to raise the money to create a hospital-based or university-based center of excellence for clinical anti-aging medical research to really move this profession into the mainstream.
		And you're the guy who can do it, Art.
		You can be the patron saint of anti-aging medicine.
		I want your listeners to send you letters and kind of encourage you in that direction, or at least, if not that, to send Bill Gates or Michael Dell or one of those guys to the academy.
		Do you think you can help out?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		What do you say to 10 to 15 years?
		You clip that off, we'll talk.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		We could clip off 10 years right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you really?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Maybe, I don't know what kind of shape you're in, Arc, because we never met in the flesh.
		We've had wonderful conversations.
		But on average, if I look at the average anti-aging medicine patient, which is a male about age 65, who's usually very successful financially and in other ways, but has kind of abused themselves physically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'd be in that category.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		In the space of six months, it is quite common to see age regression on a laboratory basis, not just looking at them, but measurable on laboratory parameters by 10 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, doctor, I'm going to ask you the magic question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do I have to give up all my fun?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		No.
		You may have to give up cigarettes.
		Cigarettes are pretty tough to work around.
		Not impossible, but tough.
		You may have to exercise a little bit, and you'll have to take a handful Of pills every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A handful.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		A handful.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		I take 60 pills a day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take 60 pills a day?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		60.
		Now that includes vitamins and everything else.
		I take 20 with each meal.
		Holy crap.
		I'm saying a little bit more than most.
		I'm saying about 30.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what has it done for you so far?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, biologically, people usually tell me I look about 10 years younger than I am chronologically.
		And on laboratory analysis, my blood parameters are better than they were when I was in my late 20s, early 30s.
		And I'm in my late 40s right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're right.
		You do look younger.
		Hmm.
		Well, how many celebrity type or money corporation type people come to you and say, let's do business, Doc?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, they all want to do business for themselves and for their own health care, but they're afraid to go public.
		It's kind of like the stigma associated with plastic surgery of 20 years ago.
		You know, everybody in Hollywood had plastic surgery, or not everybody, but certainly most people, but nobody wanted to admit it.
		Now it's a cool thing to admit you've had plastic surgery.
		Well, anti-aging is kind of like right there.
		You know, everybody that I know in Hollywood is doing it, but very few people want to admit it.
		About the only guy who's really been public about it has been Nick Nulty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would that be?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think people are loath to admit that they would take 20 pills a meal for a while?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Because they're supposed to be beautiful and superior, you know, just as a birthright or a genetic kind of thing.
		And if it's unnatural or appears to be unnatural, somehow that diminishes them.
		I think it's kind of a ridiculous attitude, but it's a pervasive attitude still.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		But the Art Bell Radio Telethon, for a clinical center of excellence in anti-aging medicine, for a non-profit, federally registered 501c3 art, you could be immortal just from that.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You could be the patron saint.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's an old kind of immortality where you simply are remembered well.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I'm talking about.
unidentified		We'll put your name on the side of the building.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I once had it there.
		It was the Bell Telephone Company.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Ronald Klatz.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I am in Oregon.
unidentified		Speaking of Dr. Gavorkian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		I'm wondering if there's been any studies done on properties of MSM on its own.
unidentified		I know it's normally used to cause medications to propagate better through the body, but I'm wondering if there's been any studies done just specifically on MSM and anti-aging.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, MSM has been promoted widely for arthritis and for joint disease.
		MSN may have other properties with inflammation.
		It turns out that as we grow older, we have more inflammation within our body.
		Inflammation has been associated with diseases as wide-ranging as heart attack, stroke, cancers, arthritis.
		And so anything that helps to mitigate inflammation will probably work as an anti-aging substance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no kidding.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You know about, you know, there's a great story behind aspirin.
		You know, all these people are taking an aspirin a day to protect themselves against heart disease.
		Well, they're also protecting themselves against cancers because it's an anti-inflammatory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		All right.
		Here we go.
		I've got a bad back.
		I've had a bad back, and I take a product which is widely advertised nationally now called Celebrates.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it has, among its other, whatever all it does, it is an anti-inflammatory.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I guess I've been aware of aspirin most of my life, too.
		But I've always kind of wondered, the Celebrates really helped my back, that losing 50 pounds, really helped my back.
		And I've often wondered if the anti-inflammatory aspect of it would be perhaps beneficial in other ways, too.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're reporting now that people who have been on ibuprofen, which is another anti-inflammatory, appears to be protective against Alzheimer's disease.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that interesting?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And perhaps against some forms of adult-onset diabetes.
		Really?
		Again, by the anti-inflammatory process.
		Now, whether Celebrex will have the same beneficial effect, we don't know, but it stands to reason that if you can lower the levels of circulating inflammatory cytokines, or these chemicals that our bodies produce that aren't so good for us of inflammation, you may be able to slow various aspects of aging.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you say to the people who would say to you, Doctor, this is the fact that we have a certain lifespan and we grow old and die is God's will, and you're screwing around with God's will?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		I don't buy that for a second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why I didn't figure you would.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and the reason why I don't is because if that were the case, then people who came up with vaccines for polio were screwing around with God's will.
		And people come up with any cure for any disease.
		Okay, God doesn't want us to suffer.
		I just can't buy that.
		And if he did, then I'm a sinner.
		And I think I'm quite the opposite.
		I'm trying to accomplish God's will by improving the quality and the quantity of life for every man, woman, and child alive today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so if immortality came to be, that would still be God's will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you'd still look at it that way.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You know, God has given us the intellectual horsepower and the technology to discover our universe and both the exterior universe or the stars and the planets and the interior universe, the micro-world of the cells and DNA and quarks and microatomic particles.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Now, why would God give us this ability to understand the actual underpinnings of his mechanism if he didn't want us to discover it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. Ronald Klapps.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
		Welcome back.
		And you are the greatest person on the air.
		And we love you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Dr. Klapps, my question is, in your opinion, will DHEA or HGH have a positive or negative effect with a male in his, let's say, 50s or 60s with prostate cancer?
unidentified		Which my dad passed away from a couple years ago?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, prostate cancer is kind of a bag of worms.
		If you have prostate cancer, you shouldn't be taking anything that's going to stimulate the prostate to grow faster.
		Any aspect of it.
		Now, it turns out, let's talk about human growth hormone.
		There was a big, again, misinformation program out there about IgF, which is one of the mediators that when you take human growth hormone as an injection, it has an effect in the body, but it also circulates to the liver and is converted to IGF, which is insulin growth factor, one, and that circulates and has another effect similar to growth hormone, but a little bit different.
		And a number of researchers looked at a bunch of people with prostate cancer and said, oh, look at this.
		Some of these people with prostate cancers have high IgF levels.
		And therefore, their theory was, well, IGF stimulates, you know, is stimulated with prostate cancer.
		Therefore, don't take human growth hormone.
		Well, that research hasn't panned out.
		It hasn't been replicated.
		And it turns out the human growth hormone stimulates the immune system, which may protect you against prostate cancer.
		But having said all that, the basic conventional wisdom in medicine is don't give anything to somebody with a cancer that might possibly stimulate the growth of their cancer.
		So the good advice is don't take stimulants such as DHEA and human growth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you already have cells that are growing out of control, you don't want to toss gasoline on the process.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You may or you may not.
		DHEA happens, by the way, independently to be an anti-cancer substance.
		It's used experimentally in people with breast cancer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, interesting.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		So you see, nothing is quite black and white in this arena.
		Apparently.
		If we're not sure, let's err on the side of conservatism and let's be careful because that's what anti-aging medicine is all about.
		Rule number one of anti-aging medicine is don't die.
		Don't do no harm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Easy to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Dr. Ronald Klatz.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		You're a man after my own heart, Doctor.
		I have been conducting a survey over three years asking people if they could live to 350 in as good health as Michael Jordan out of speak where they want to do it.
		And I got back a stunning statistic.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
unidentified		Only 8 to 12% of the people, but mostly consistently 10% of the people, want to do it.
		And their motives, all except for about 18 people, was the same as mine.
		And I asked myself the question.
		And I asked two 72-year-olds and three 68-year-olds, and they said, yes, the same motive as mine.
		Three 14-year-olds said to me, no way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's the motive?
unidentified		The motive is we want to find out what happens next.
		Absolutely.
		And people between the ages of 45 and 59, only a few, a handful of those said yes.
		45 to 59 almost totally said, no.
		One atheist said to me, if I had the courage, I'd commit suicide.
		I said, why?
		He said, it's much too tough.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You know something.
unidentified		My life is more interesting by that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, caller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Do you know who wants to live to be 150?
unidentified		Me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, me too.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Do you know who definitely wants to live to be 150?
unidentified		Who?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		The guy who's 149.
		Well, so I really question these kind of polls because people don't have any clue what it's like until they're looking the Grim Reaper in the face.
		And if people were that brave to be willing to cut their mortal coil and move on, we wouldn't be having people grasping for life as they are at every stage of life.
		Let's face it, people want to live, and they want to live under almost any circumstances.
		And with anti-aging medicine, the circumstances aren't so bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But do you think they're answering that way because of the inevitability from their point of view of the death?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think they are.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And I think they knew, as we did, that this scenario of old age will change, just as in the 1900s, the idea of half the people out there or being subjected or dying from the number one cause of death in the 1900s was diarrheal diseases.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		Hold on, doctor.
		Dr. Ronald Klatz is my guest, and we're talking about anti-aging.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Moving through the night, Tim, talking about arresting, turning back the hands of time, not aging.
		Dr. Ronald Klatz is my guest.
		His book is The New Anti-Aging Revolution for Stopping the Clock.
		And he's got quite a deal on it, an autographed copy for you.
		It's a big book, by the way.
		And all you have to do is call Mildred.
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		And that number is area code 773-528-1000.
		That's 773-528-1000.
		We'll get right back to Dr. Clamp.
		Dr. Clamp Well, believe it or not, I'm getting a lot like Harry in Claymont, Delaware, for example, wherever that is.
		Harry says, hey, please understand me when I say I want to die.
		I would not even perceive living forever.
		I can't.
		I want to be part of all the energy that makes us what we are, you know, not upon an equation of who we will be.
		So, I mean, there's a lot of people like that, Doctor, and not to put them down in any way or anything else.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		maybe the argument shouldn't be about living forever i really don't think we It may not be desirable to live more than 300 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, 300 years, we can still have the same rough discussion.
		Right.
		That's a long time.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		That's a long time.
		But, you know, maybe, you know, I'm thinking that 70 years just ain't long enough right now.
		I mean, if it is, I'm almost 50.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, heck, I've given up.
		You know, I didn't have much of a youth.
		I studied hard.
		I had to put myself through school.
		It's been a rough life for me.
		I'm not asking for anyone to feel sorry for me, but I'd like to get some of those years back.
		So if I could have another 30 years of youth before I hit my middle age or my senior years, I'd be very happy with that.
		And that's really what anti-aging medicine is about.
		And let's forget about any longer years.
		Let's just talk about quality of life.
		When I was growing up and I lived on the East Coast, people were old in their 50s.
		When I was during the Vietnam War, remember the slogan, don't trust anyone over 30?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		It's because people were old when they were 30.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, heck, people ain't old over 30 now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you really are right.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You know, so I think it's, you know, it loses the point if you look at anti-aging medicine in terms of immortality.
		Let's look at anti-aging medicine in terms of eliminating the diseases of aging.
		And let's live healthy and happy and youthful and productive right up to the very end.
		And if you want that very end to be age 80, God bless you.
		If you want that very end to be age 180, well, you know, you got my vote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your research are as much as you're going to be able to do the limited resources you have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really would have thought there would have been much more in the way of resources thrown into this, considering the interest that, you know, older people would have.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You know, Art, I did, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In living longer, especially as you get older, you get more money, so they put the money into living longer, wouldn't you think?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You know, Art, I did too, and that's why I completely changed my career path and my medical focus and everything else because I really believe built it and they will come.
		Well, we've built it, and it's happening, and it's happening in spite of, not because of, the limited support that is out there for anti-aging medicine.
		And, you know, even the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine, our society, even though we have 12,500 members, we've trained 30,000 doctors, we're still really a bootstrap operation, and our website, www.worldhealth.net, number one in space, but even that doesn't generate income.
		We're a non-profit organization.
		We really are not profit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe there is the possibility, though, that more people like this, much as I know you cannot conceive of it, really do exist.
		I mean, they really don't mind, or they say they don't mind dying.
		And so maybe there really are a lot of people with that mindset, more than I understand that you could imagine.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe you're right, but I just don't believe it.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		I don't think people really look forward to the golden years and want arthritis or want macular degeneration or want Alzheimer's disease or want all the things that are heir to old age.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		well in my recall the golden years when we call them the It's Madison Avenue.
		The graying out years, honey.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there with Dr. Ronald Klatz.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello?
		Hi, I had a question about if people can live so long, what about overpopulation?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, that's one I asked earlier, too.
		Yeah, let's tackle that for a second, Doctor.
		I mean, he's right.
		If you achieve your goals, even say out to 300 years.
		Oh, my God, at 300 years.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, the planet will, you know, the carrying capacity of the planet, we don't know what it is.
		You know, some of the better thinkers have said 10, 12, 15 billion people.
		The current projections are at current rates of growth of population, the planet is going to peak out and will start heading south after about 10 billion people because as the third world develops longer lifespans, it becomes economically disadvantageous to have more and more children.
		And so the longer you live, the less children families tend to have.
		So anti-aging tends to be a positive factor towards negative population growth rather than the other way around.
		So even though you're living longer, people have less children.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe so.
		The situation, though, would still be extreme, and I can't help but shove the obvious in your face.
		And that would be that, I don't know, society would have to change.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Society Will change.
		I mean, imagine that you had to plan your life like I did when I was 15.
		When I was 15, I had to decide where I was going to graduate school, where I was going to college, where I was going to medical school, where I was going to do, where I was going to marry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, trust me, you're unusual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Most 15-year-olds, you ask, hey, what do you want to be when you grow up?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
		I'm unusual.
		But, you know, let's face it, you know, we lived in an age, all of us have lived in an age where life was more or less linear.
		You know, you were born, you go to school, you go to work, you have a family.
		If you live long enough, you get to retire, then you develop two degenerative diseases.
		You fight those degenerative diseases and go broke in the process for the next seven to 12 years, and then you die.
		I mean, that's the reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly how it goes.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		That's how it goes.
		But under an anti-aging scenario where life expectancies are 100, 120, 150 years, people can spend the first 30 years of their life being minstrels, traveling the planet, just living for the sake of life before ever having to start a career.
		And then train for a career, work in it for five years, retire for a year, two years, retrain in another career, work in it for a few years, et cetera, et cetera.
		Also, there's another issue, and that's technology.
		I mean, there's a lot of things going to change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there would be positive things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For example, right now, I don't think people really particularly pay attention to ecological problems that will manifest themselves, for example, in 100 years, because they don't think they're going to be around to worry about it.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		honest you have to be really brutally honest most people know damn well they're not going to be here in a hundred years so who the hell cares and when do people become philosophical they become philosophical after the age of thirty five or forty one notice process well underway that's right because there's a certain wisdom that comes with experience yes and there's a certain uh...
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		you know, like not just me, but us kind of attitude as you get older in life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And so that's a pretty darn good thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		As the population ages, and we've seen this in older and older populations, the world becomes much more green.
		I mean, the Green Revolution didn't start in the United States.
		It started in Europe because they have an older population than we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite true.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		So they're not all bad things there, and these are sociological issues that must be addressed.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		By the way, Art, can I say thank you to two of my sponsors?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You certainly may.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You know, the Academy of Anti-Agen Medicine really couldn't exist without its sponsors, and two of the strongest supporters of our work in education research is Market America and MedHouse Pharmacy, and I just wanted to thank them for making it possible for me to be here to talk with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so they're sponsors.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		They're actually sponsors.
		We have lots of them, but these guys have been really good lately.
		And if you want to know more about the Academy, it's all there, right there, 40,000 pages at www.worldhealth.net.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trust me, a lot of people are going to want to know more.
		Trust me.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Dr. Ronald Klatz.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		I have a question that's for your guest.
		Yes.
		Okay.
		Technology improves some generations, and a lot of people that are older are less likely to agree with some of the technological changes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		True.
unidentified		And other changes, such as currently cloning and tracking people through certain devices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
		And stem cells and all the new kind of stuff that comes along.
		They're less likely to be...
unidentified		Do you think there could be a problem with people like this that wouldn't want to do major changes because they like the things the way they are and that could possibly help society?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, let me see if I can structure this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's right about people as they get older being far less tolerant of change for some reason, Doctor.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, that may be because of hardening of the neurons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A hardening of the neurons.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean, I say that in jest, but one of the reasons why people don't like change as they grow older is they can't process information as quickly as they did when they were younger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite correct.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And so that's a function not of wisdom or of experience, but it's a function of physiologic function where they're losing mental capacity, where they're losing the ability to learn new things.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, under an anti-aging scenario, people would not lose their capacity for new learning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So since they're reject it as ridiculous nonsense that they won't have anything to do with.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, it becomes uncomfortable for them to address new issues.
		That's why people with Alzheimer's disease or people with mental problems, period, should never be moved out of their homes because they're perfectly comfortable.
		They understand where everything's at.
		They're able to function very well in their home environment.
		But you put them in the hospital and there's a thing called ICU psychosis, where a lot of people who are perfectly good at home become completely disoriented and completely incapacitated as soon as you move them into a new environment, such as the hospital.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That follows.
		Okay, first time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Ronald Klapps.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		Just real quick, I want to say I'm glad that you're back on the air, first of all.
		Thank you.
		We missed you.
		And second of all, my question originally was about the coral reef calcium supplement and keeping the body with the whole acid-based balance, keeping the body more alkaline than acidic, and if that helped with fighting off diseases and such.
		But in listening to you talk, I want to just have a quick comment and then I'll break off here about the whole growing older and everybody 300 years old and all that.
		Imagine an Einstein that's 300 years old.
		All that other stuff will work itself out as far as where we're going to put these people and where the food's going to come from and all that.
		But I think that it boils down to survival instinct.
		I find it hard to believe that a lot of people don't want to survive.
		That should be the main function of any animal is survival.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the day before it happens, it probably is, as the doctor's pointed out.
		But when people are safely in, say, middle-aged 30 and 40, they can sort of make this detached judgment that, well, hey, I'll go when I go, whatever.
		It's easy to do that, but then when you're facing it, it's a different situation.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		All right, McColler makes a very good point.
		And that is about a 300-year-old Einstein.
		Or how about a 100-year-old Hewlett-Packard?
		I mean, you know, Hewlett and Packard created an incredible amount of technology that has changed the world in very positive ways.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's for sure.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		You know, wouldn't it be wonderful if these great benefactors of society could be around a little bit longer?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not much longer.
		You know, suppose we know less, I think it's safe to say, about the human brain.
		We know less about that than any other part of our body.
		Isn't that true?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		I believe that is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so we might be able to grasp and get hold of and then successfully extend the lives of our body, the rest of our body, but what if we can't do anything for the brain?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, then there's no sense keeping the body going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		But the evidence is starting to show that with stem cell technology, we can repair the brain too.
		And if you really are stuck with a finite limit to cellular capacity to regenerate, and some people used to be, the Hayflick constant used to stop a lot of researchers from exploring anti-aging because they thought that there was an absolute limit.
		We now know that there's not.
		That's been debunked.
		But let's say that there is some other limit that we come up against.
		Well, there's other ways of achieving practical immortality.
		There is technology afoot right now for being able to collect your thoughts, your feelings, Your data, your knowledge of your life, and maybe create an artificial computer-based intelligence of your life experience, which would become its own personality and its own mirror image of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Basically, you're saying you would be downloaded into a computer.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Or into a biological computer.
		That's a possibility, too.
		We may, you know, not just cloning, but we may be able to form some kind of artificial life form.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as quickly as we really are moving in the computer arena, I really wouldn't be surprised but that one day we could download the essence of a human being, even their consciousness into a computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And oh my, what a can of worms we're going to have then.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's important that we talk about it now so we start the discussion.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		So, you see, I think it's important to create the future, not just let the future happen to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. Ronald Klapps.
		Hello.
unidentified		Well, good morning, gentlemen.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		My name's Kathy.
		I'm in Seminole, Florida.
		And I tell you, I must have meant to make this call tonight because I went to bed and woke up and listened to the radio, and here you guys are.
		Bingo.
		As a matter of fact, you may have to have a telephone for me to pay for my cell bill.
		I'm waiting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, listen, we don't have a lot of time, so lay it out.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
		I have a couple of questions, and then I think that I can let you go from there.
		When we were talking about, y'all were talking about the DHEA and the growth hormones and so forth, there's a lot of dispute as to what growth hormones, what am I trying to say here, the type of growth hormones, whether it's pill form or whether it can only be given in the shots and this and that and the other.
		And also is this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you wanted, what, an answer to whether it could be given in pill form?
unidentified		Well, yeah, that.
unidentified		And also, does it apply to also the weight loss including with the anti-aging and so forth, that type of thing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Doctor, is it ever going to be a pill?
		Is it a pill now?
		Can it be a pillow?
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
		Human growth hormone, the research was done on injectable forms of human growth hormone, and injectable forms of human growth hormone are very powerful, and they do work very well.
		You can't put human growth hormone in a pill yet because it's too large a molecule.
		It doesn't get absorbed through the stomach.
		However, there are products out there that are growth hormone stimulators, pretagogues, and these are amino acids that work very well in young athletes.
		And millions of young athletes have taken these amino acids to boost their athletic performance.
		And it does so in part by stimulating the production of growth hormone or augmenting the natural production of growth hormone.
		And these things do work.
		Now, they only work up to a certain age, about 50, 55, depends on the individual.
		And then you start to lose the ability to release growth hormone, period.
		And the only thing that's going to work for you at that point is the injectable form.
		There are spray products on the market, but they are pretty much without science.
		They are not really growth hormone.
		They're more marketing than anything else.
		You have to be buyer-be-where, caveat mTOR, when it comes to anti-aging, because it's such a powerful term.
		Marketeers glom onto anti-aging, and they create a real problem for us, the scientists, and the physicians in anti-aging medicine.
		So if you're trying to get hard answers, we address many of these issues with regard to consumer protection at worldhealth.net.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, forever there's been Dr. Hook's magic elixir, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The magic elixir.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there has.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		And that's really been the bane of our science.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll bet it has.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		It's hard for people to take it seriously when there's these scam artists out there claiming outrageous claims for their products.
		Anti-aging science is absolutely for real.
		Clinical medicine is absolutely for real.
		There are a lot of products out there that just don't live up to the hype.
		And so again, go to worldhealth.net.
		We list a lot of consumer information on there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was a guest, though.
		You lived up to the hype.
		Hey, bless your heart for being here.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's my pleasure, Art.
		Thanks for coming back.
		Boy, I really missed you.
		You're a great host.
		And I've been doing radio for years, and you're the best interview I've ever had the pleasure of being part of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		Good night, Doctor.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		I'll see you in 100 years, Art, I hope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'll be all right.
unidentified		Good night.
dr ronald klatz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good night, Jeff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		100 years.
		See you in 100 years.
		Wouldn't it be nice to be able to say that?
		See you in 100 years or so.
		Well, folks, tomorrow night, Dr. Roger Lear, hour number one, and Richard C. Popeland and Company.
		It's going to be a fascinating night tomorrow night.
unidentified		This is Toast A.M. weekend style through the nighttime.

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