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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Using the Occult - Evelyn Paglini

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	Music From the high desert and the great American southwest, I
	bid you good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's many prolific time zones.
	I'm Art Bell and this is the Daily Show.
	Here's the weekend version of Coast to Coast AM.
	Glad to be here.
	You'll never know how glad I am to be here, actually.
	It's going to be an extremely interesting night, because in the second hour, we're going to be speaking with Evelyn Paglini.
	Evelyn Paglini is a real witch.
	And magic is real.
	Now, I will serve up a warning right now in the first hour for this.
	There are certain people out there, obviously, who will be offended by this.
	And you would want to tune out now and not expose yourself to the pain that you're otherwise going to feel without a doubt.
	On the other hand, if you're interested, even mildly curious about what magic and witchcraft really is all about, then, oh, by all means, stay tuned.
	This hour, in a moment, we're going to connect with a very good old friend of mine, Whitley Streber.
	We're going to find out.
	You know, we've got to kind of catch up a little bit on what's been going on in the world of UFOs and the paranormal, and the world of UFOs is incredible at the moment, so there's a lot of catching up to do, and I can't think of anybody better equipped to do it for us than Whitney Strieber.
	The world news today, three more Americans dead in a mortar attack in Iraq.
	Roadside bombing west of the capital.
	The President says he's not sure if the U.S.
	may need to yield, or whether we will need to yield, a significantly larger role in the U.N.
	to make way for some sort of new resolution on Iraq.
	The mastermind of the September 11 attacks has told American interrogators he first discussed the And in first discussing it, they were going to have a wave of aircraft attack buildings on the west as well as east coast, and that later became modified.
	A very good engineer friend of mine has told me that our Telstar 4 satellite is no more.
	Now, I don't have any other details beyond that.
	It may have been a natural death.
	Or not so, I don't know.
	I just know that Telstar 4, the satellite, which was an older satellite, is now history, for one reason or another.
	And I'd certainly be interested in the details.
	Reminding you, as always, suggestions, comments, flames, whatever, will reach me at my email address, artbell at mindspring dot com.
	That's artbell at mindspring dot com.
	Stay right where you are, Whitley's next.
	Splash Thunder
	Number one, he's a friend.
	Number two, he's an author, of course.
	Author or co-author of War Day.
	That's one of my favorites of all time.
	Communion, The Coming Global Superstorm, The Host of Dreamland, which streams on the net from unknowncountry.com.
	Just all kinds of books, more than I could ever mention.
	And certainly has an eye on everything that's going on.
	Here he is, Whitley Strieber.
	Whitley, hey!
	That's great to be back, Art, and it's so great to have you back on the air.
	Thank you.
	Hearing that voice sing from the high desert, what adventure those words bring.
	It's just really exciting.
	Thank you.
	Welcome back.
	It is an adventure.
	That's for doggone sure.
	Whitley, it's been a while, in more ways than one.
	Oh, yeah.
	And it's become very hot, hasn't it, UFO-wise?
	It's very hot.
	Incidentally, that Telstar 4 satellite shut down Just about 9 this morning because of Short Circuit in its primary power bus.
	Oh, interesting.
	Yeah, and there's not a lot of solar activity right now.
	There's some big stuff coming up.
	Well, we just went through a period of about a week, Whitley, of very fast particles hitting the Earth.
	Now, it's just let up in the last 24 hours or so.
	Maybe it built up a static charge in there.
	That's certainly a possibility.
	Well, you just gave me more information already than I had about Telstar, so that's interesting.
	Anyway, in the world of UFOs... Well, in the world of UFOs, a very interesting thing happened.
	Last October, in my journal on my website, I asked the question, Would 2003 be the year of the alien?
	And it has turned out to be quite a year.
	The reason I asked the question was simple.
	Back in the 60s, Jacques Vallée, the great UFO researcher, discovered what he called the Mars Effect.
	And that is that UFOs increase in activity intensity when Mars is closest to the Earth.
	Hmm.
	You know, I can imagine an alternative explanation for that.
	Every night, all the people I talk to, my friends on Ham Radio, they're all running outside saying, Whoa!
	Look at Mars!
	Look at Mars!
	You know, and we're dragging telescopes out and looking at Mars.
	My point is, we were all looking at the sky at night.
	Well, that could be one of the reasons, except it wouldn't explain... I mean, it could be one of the reasons this time.
	But it wouldn't explain the consistency of the pattern over now the past 50 years.
	It's the only consistent pattern in UFO sighting, that UFO sightings increase when Mars is close, and in many of those instances, Mars has been closer, but not close enough, not like it is now, not spectacularly close.
	This one, it's true, it's spectacularly close, and I'm sure that a lot more people are looking at the sky than normal, but we are having some unusual things happen.
	Quite unusual. First, there's been some amazingly good UFO video taken. In fact,
	two of the best and most convincing pieces of UFO video have appeared in the past three weeks.
	The first being from British Columbia. A gentleman's wife stepped out on their deck
	in the late afternoon and saw this thing in the sky.
	He had just bought a video camera.
	He ran in and got it and took a few seconds of footage, which I have analyzed very carefully, frame by frame.
	It has been said that, well, maybe it's one of those Mylar balloons, the usual stuff.
	This piece of video is spectacular.
	Oh, OK.
	What does it show?
	We don't have it, so describe it.
	It is a circular, very, very shiny, circular object.
	Now, what's interesting is that the object has a metallic ring around the edges of it, which fades over three frames.
	This ring is not retracted.
	It does not Just disappear in one frame.
	It fades over three frames, which is going to be a really hard thing to do with a model.
	The thing is not a digital insertion.
	It's definitely in that video.
	It has a black object that protrudes out of the edge of it.
	then it makes a, begins to move and it changes, it exhibits its side to the thing, becomes a disc rather than a circle.
	And it morphs.
	It changes form, and something bizarre happens.
	It literally disappears, but not in a puff.
	Part of it, you can see a sort of something kind of flow off of it that's clear, but seems to be this Distorting an area of the sky as it moves away.
	It is a really weird piece of video.
	So much of the UFO reporting seems to, when you listen to the stories as I just listened to you, almost mix with the paranormal.
	I mean, it really does get close.
	It appeared.
	It disappeared.
	It marked.
	You know, all that stuff.
	Yeah.
	Look at the abduction stories.
	What the UFO investigators don't like to tell you is, people's dead.
	The dead show up with aliens all the time.
	We don't have any idea what this thing is.
	Boy, there you go.
	Excuse me.
	The dead show up with aliens.
	Is that what you just said?
	Let me tell you a story.
	This is typical.
	This is one of probably five, six hundred similar stories I have.
	Husband and wife are in the living room.
	Late at night, ten thirty at night, they've taken the dog out for a walk.
	Now, suddenly the dog becomes extremely restless.
	The wife decides, well, I'll take him out again.
	Maybe he's not finished.
	She goes, she opens the front door.
	A huge ball of light flies away from the house and across the trees.
	She yells to her husband, uh-oh, you're going to get a call, because he's in the air business.
	I don't exactly remember, which I think it was an FAA inspector.
	And she thought it was a burning plane crashing.
	At that moment, their little seven-year-old runs down the stairs saying, Mommy, Daddy, Mommy, Daddy, little blue men came into my room, and they had his older brother with them, and he said to tell you he's okay.
	He had died in an auto accident the week before.
	Now, this isn't unusual, Art.
	This is typical.
	And they were frantic to know.
	This is recent.
	No, this isn't recent.
	This is ten years ago.
	Ten years ago.
	But it's absolutely typical.
	But again, to me, there you go.
	We've got the paranormal and ufology sort of mixed up together.
	Mixing it up, yeah.
	It's all one thing.
	I hate it when I see these people trying to turn this into something where we're saying, well, these are aliens from another planet, on the one hand.
	On the other hand, there's fascinating stuff like the Mars effect.
	What does it mean?
	Well, does it mean just the very proximity of Mars itself has some kind of, oh, I don't know, what would be the right word?
	Some sort of vibratory dimensional effect on Earth and Earthlings?
	Or is it, you know, something coming from Mars?
	On our website right now, we have a fascinating paper.
	It's been rewritten, and the scientist who wrote it rewrote it in non-technical terms, so it's easy to read, by a particle physicist from Spain, Beatriz Dato Rivera, who suggests that maybe we are embedded in a much larger galactic civilization in the same way the mountain gorilla is embedded in our civilization, and has only just the smallest amount of access to what's really going on.
	It's an interesting idea, isn't it?
	Now, you take that with the Mars effect, and you look at the Chilbolton crop formation... Can you back up enough to explain to me what the Mars effect is?
	In other words, is it some sort of vibratory thing?
	Well, I don't know.
	All I know is this.
	When Mars is closest to the Earth, when Mars is in opposition to the Earth... Stuff happens.
	UFO stuff increases.
	We've had unbelievable abduction cases in the past few weeks.
	Yeah, you mentioned abduction to me.
	What's been going on?
	Well, let me get into this.
	First, this week's Dreamland is an interview with one of these women who was abducted just a couple of days ago.
	But this is no ordinary case.
	I'll tell you why.
	It's one of the more witnessed cases that has ever existed.
	First of all, there were two people that happened to at the same time.
	They didn't go unconscious.
	They saw the aliens before they went out into missing time.
	There were dreadful injuries involved that are still not resolved.
	But here's the amazing part of it.
	The UFOs involved in this We're seen by other witnesses and other air from other parts of the same region.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's a big case.
	It's a, it's a, an extraordinary case.
	And to hear the emotion in this lady's voice, it, it's, it took me back and I ended up, we, we both just started crying together on the, on the, on the show because of the, It just, I mean, it took me back to what it was like right after I had my experience.
	Well, having one person abducted and getting the story is one thing.
	Having two people is quite another.
	Having two people and then separate witnesses all together, that's really something else.
	What happened was this.
	These two ladies had not seen each other in a long time.
	They lived up in British Columbia, in a rather isolated area.
	One of them, the friend who was a guest in the house, said, well, let's go stargazing.
	They'd done that a lot when they were younger, and so they went out.
	It was about midnight.
	They went out onto a road and got out of the car, and the lady who does the interview turned on her flashlight.
	She had a powerful flashlight, because you know, out in British Columbia, you got on a roadside at night, you want to be sure there's no bears or anything nearby.
	Right.
	You know, it's not like it is down in this part of the world.
	You might really encounter something.
	So, she shined the flashlight.
	The reason they, as soon as they stopped, before she did the flashlight, they saw a triangle of stars in the sky, which were moving slowly along.
	And it immediately, as soon as I heard her say that to me, I knew what was going to happen, because that triangle of stars, it means that these little gray guys are coming.
	That's what it always, I mean, they often, not always, but they often show up with this triangular formation and these groups of three that are so much a part of what they do.
	Anyway, they see the triangle of stars and they're not really thinking UFO at all.
	They're just, it's unusual.
	And they, she turns on the flashlight to check the area so that, to be sure that they're safe.
	And to her horror, they see Off in the brush beside the road, five sets of eyes glowing bright green, slanted eyes, about four feet off the ground.
	And they were absolutely flabbergasted and terrified.
	They could see the bulbous gray head of one of these creatures.
	And they started to move, and they were just beside themselves.
	They were screaming, get back in the car!
	They couldn't move quickly they were like a slowed down somehow
	they got back in the car and drove home now you notice I didn't say they were abducted or anything
	right it was totally seamless problem is that instead of the one or two minutes
	passing that should have passed 35 minutes had mysteriously disappeared
	from their lives well you said they began to slow down as if time had slowed
	If something had gone, something strange, they couldn't get, it was like... So then that could have been the precursor to what stopped time for them.
	Yes, yes.
	And then in the car they both felt like, a feeling very familiar to me, like they were covered with static electricity.
	I know that feeling well, it's a post-abduction feeling.
	that it will it will persist for 30-40 minutes after an abduction if you're awake and aware of it you will
	feel it every here on your your body feels like it's got a big electrical charge what about physical manifestations
	okay at all old old goodness yes I are first nosebleeds
	spontaneous nosebleeds up exhaustion one of them has had
	problems her potassium level has gone crazy the other one though women let's think about these for a
	second that's That's pretty usual.
	Spontaneous nosebleeds.
	What would cause that?
	Well, a big pressure change might cause that, right?
	Well, I think mainly dry air would cause it.
	A dry air concern would cause it?
	But unusual in people who have never had nosebleeds.
	Yes.
	I was just trying to think of the circumstances that she might have been subjected to that might have brought that on, and others who have had similar experiences.
	I think probably intrusions.
	That's what it was with me.
	When I used to get those nosebleeds, it was because they were sticking things up my nose.
	The doctor even found the scars, found the marks, and took x-rays.
	They didn't find any implants in there, but they did find evidence that something had been penetrated up into my sinus.
	Here's one other thing that I want to explore with you.
	You said it right in the beginning of this story.
	You said they went out in British Columbia in the dark at night to stargaze.
	And you know, Whitley, have you ever wondered whether the people who have these experiences, you included, Yes, I have.
	Might bring it on yourself.
	I mean, it's like you're opening a door and saying, here I am, brother.
	Come and visit.
	I asked her that very question.
	Why in the world did she even ask to do this at this hour of the night?
	And neither of them have a good answer.
	Neither of them.
	I think they were called and they went.
	And indeed.
	Well, let me finish with the injuries, though, because the most important one I haven't mentioned yet.
	Go right ahead.
	The most important injury is, to the friend, a severe burn over her coccyx, which she began to feel a pain of only the next morning.
	A burn?
	She went to the doctor, and the doctor said, it's an extremely unusual burn.
	It looks like a radiation burn, but, you know, she had no way of, apparently, no, had not been in any radiation that she knew of.
	This injury is still giving her trouble.
	It healed up and then it became troublesome again.
	And the last I know, she went back to the doctor.
	I do not know what the disposition of it is.
	How long ago did the initial incident occur?
	July the 31st.
	So not long ago.
	Not long.
	That's another thing that this is such a recent one.
	Now, I don't have as much detail about others, but I know of about five cases In the Pacific Northwest and on down the West Coast as far south as San Francisco.
	Also, I know of four cases in British Columbia reported to me by a British Columbia investigator, UFO investigator Brian Fike, who they're fortunate to have up there, he's an excellent investigator, of people reporting to their doctors with Injuries that appear to be sampling wounds where skin samples have been taken.
	A burn.
	I'm going to have to think about that one.
	A burn.
	All right, Whitley, hold on.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
	We'll be right back.
	My guest is Whitley Streber, who was born into this kind of information.
	As I guess I was.
	So, we're right in the middle of, uh, well, they used to call it a flat.
	Now we might call it the Mars Effect, or whatever other excuse I guess we could grab, but there are many of them here.
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	We ought to play that, Johnny Cash, The Highwayman. That's all about reincarnation, you know.
	It might even be what we're talking about right now.
	I don't know.
	They are here, they're with us, or we're with them.
	At any rate, we will be right back.
	Here's an interesting little tidbit.
	Last night, prior to the program, I got a quick email from Jaime Muson.
	Jaime is uh... was the uh... the anchor of the mexicans sixteen minutes and he said hey are you know it's interesting that you should be coming back now he said i don't i don't know about america but he said down here in mexico it's going crazy and the mexican press isn't uh... or the mexican press whether he is reporting on the american press isn't
	No.
	And he was wondering if it was, you know, similar here.
	And so that was kind of interesting in a sort of a blind way.
	He just put a stamp on a lot of what you just said.
	It's going nuts down there.
	Art, before we go on, people are writing me emails asking where to find this on my website.
	You know, the news changes every day on the site, and this is not today's news.
	They need to put British Columbia into the search engine.
	Okay.
	The helicopter, we're going to talk about them to put the word Brighton into the search engine and they'll get all those stories that way.
	But you know, I did not know until this moment that it's going so big down in Mexico.
	I knew about the UK, it's big in Canada, in the UK, it's happening across the US.
	There was even, as I said or alluded to earlier, a police helicopter taping a UFO in the UK.
	The jury is in on this stuff, and yet the American media is dead silent.
	I think it's a controlled media.
	I don't think it's really free anymore in any sense that we used to be.
	And one of the things that they don't like to talk about is this.
	And it could be, of course, that they don't want to talk about it because it's now obvious that they've been laughing about it for years and blowing it off, and that's wrong.
	They've made a mistake.
	But see, that's the way all news departments treat it, Whitley.
	If a story like this comes in, it's used as a kicker.
	I don't care how serious it is.
	You know, somebody got abducted.
	They'll forget the Burns and the Marks and all the rest of it.
	It's just a kicker story.
	You know, something to make people laugh at the end of a newscast.
	That's all.
	That's all it is.
	And yet, it seems to me that If these people, like I did, are getting things implanted into their bodies and having genetic material taken from them,
	That's kind of not a kicker.
	You still have an implant, don't you?
	Yeah, in my ear.
	Even after an attempt to remove it, of course, I spoke to the doctor who did the work, and it moved.
	So, you know, they're here and they're here in force right now, but the big question still hangs with me.
	The visitors are here, but who are they?
	Why are they here?
	What do they want?
	Well, I can tell you What they're doing, I can tell you what they look like to some extent.
	I can tell you where they are generally at any given time, where the big flaps are taking place.
	But what I can't tell you is why they do what they do.
	I can't tell you where they come from.
	Goodness only knows what we're talking about in the last half hour!
	But if you follow the way you would a crime, for example, you're always in a crime looking for a motive.
	And the motive Through all of their actions should begin to be apparent.
	They experiment on us.
	It appears to be genetically related in some way.
	There's, I mean, there have to be hints here that point toward what it's really all about.
	They remove genetic material from human beings and animals.
	We know certainly from cattle.
	They kill cattle in the process.
	They don't all generally kill us, although there is... Linda Moulton Howe and I have been on the trail of cases of This happened to human beings for years.
	We never pinned anything down.
	You know, in cases where deaths have occurred, and you and I, I think, and Linda have talked about a few of them privately, if you want to say the regular UFO stuff is covered lightly or not at all, let me tell you, brother, how far they stay away from anything that concerns a death.
	Very much so.
	Very, very much so.
	Because I think that the reasoning is this, that the Air Force can't do anything about this and therefore they don't want people to and but also it happens at a very low level it kind of smolders along I mean I'm not talking about 15,000 abduction cases in the past couple weeks I'm talking about I know of maybe seven good cases one really great case and six others that are averagely good cases where the people seem sincere but they don't have
	The kind of evidence that the two folks in British Columbia do.
	Well, the military wants us to think they're in control of everything.
	They've written somewhere up there, they've got a website claiming they will own the weather by the year 2050.
	Now, I don't think so.
	Well, that's what they think.
	Anyway, you know, one thing they don't own, they don't control, is certainly, would be these things flying in our skies, which are Documented, you know, I think you're right.
	I mean it's it's over.
	They're there.
	Yeah, but the military Can't begin to control them and I don't think they ought to be shooting at them Well, I think that they found I mean this is now this isn't anything that I've I don't have any I am NOT privy to any secret knowledge Unfortunately, I wish I was but I feel That what they have done over the years is that they've discovered two things Three things.
	One, this is happening at a very low kind of level.
	It smolders.
	It doesn't burn.
	Two, they can get the visitors to move off by flying at them and stuff.
	And three, they really can't control them and they don't know what they're doing.
	So that all adds up to, if you see a lot of them around, you put up a plane or two.
	Uh, and they'll go away and you above all you don't tell the public about it because it's weird and it's scary and they can't do anything about it.
	But again, if you're looking to motive, you would then, I guess, conclude we're being observed, we're being experimented on, in some way, and all of this, there has to be a reason.
	It would not be easy for them to deploy these machines, whatever they are, even if they're robots.
	None of this task would be simple to be here, so they have a very solid reason for being here, Whitley, whatever it is.
	Whatever it is, yeah.
	I mean, Bud Hawkins has theorized that they need an infusion of new genetic material, but I just don't have... I don't think we have enough information to say that it's We have any idea what they may be doing.
	If they are substantially in advance of us, it really could be completely unimaginable to us what they're doing.
	Personally, I suspect them of being maybe about 100 years ahead of us.
	I think they're about as far ahead of us as the Spaniards were ahead of the Aztecs.
	They looked to us.
	Like they're just beyond belief, light years ahead of us.
	But if you'd showed up at World War I in 1915, they would have thought you were from Mars, speaking of Mars.
	With a cell phone.
	Yeah, or with a cell phone.
	No, that's true.
	And these people from those days, some of them are still alive.
	So what I'm saying is, technology moves ahead so quickly that even a little bit of advance is going to look like a lot.
	Until you get there.
	Why would you imagine that those that we regard as aliens, when we see them, would be mixing it up with our dead?
	That's one really hard thing to think about.
	If the world of the spirit is real, and personally I'd be very amazed if it wasn't, it is therefore part of the physical world.
	I always say there is no supernatural.
	The physical world, part of it we can see and understand, other parts we can't.
	A hundred years ago, radio was part of the supernatural.
	It would have been thought of, or 150 years ago, it would have been thought of as part of the supernatural.
	Somebody who could talk to somebody else across the thin air, over miles, would be a sorcerer, a magician.
	Now it's just the ordinary, you and I can do it.
	We're doing it now.
	And it's the same with this.
	Technology, if the soul exists, can penetrate that level of reality.
	And maybe, in their case, that's happened.
	Maybe they've done that.
	Maybe they are the barrier between the worlds.
	The unknown country is no longer unknown to them.
	Maybe that's all right.
	I don't know.
	I don't know about it.
	Maybe it's a fake.
	Maybe it's deception.
	Well, now there's a big one.
	In all of this, what are we again to conclude about whether they're benign or whether we should be very afraid?
	Look who is numero uno in terms of secrecy.
	Them.
	They hide.
	They conceal.
	On the one hand.
	On the other hand, you have this theatrical event in England of these crop circles and here UFOs flying around in the sky, but there's certain things that they hide and they do very privately.
	Cattle mutilations always take place, not just where there are a lot of cattle, but where there are cattle and it's also isolated country.
	Most abductions take place in rather isolated places, like the ones up in British Columbia.
	There are a few very good cases from Yeah, I'm well aware.
	Right in the middle of New York City.
	But that certainly is the exception.
	It's almost always otherwise in isolated locations.
	Almost always.
	Because they obviously want this to be secret.
	And they, in order to do it in a place like New York City, they have to work hard to keep people from noticing it.
	And in the country, they don't have to work as hard.
	So, you know, they don't announce themselves.
	They do what they do on their own.
	But these little implants in people?
	I mean, you know, we found one implant that we tested here in San Antonio at Southwest Research and at the University of Texas made of iron.
	99% pure iron.
	Perfectly ordinary in that sense.
	But this little sucker in an x-ray diffraction machine?
	Yes.
	36 hours of testing.
	The machine never found it.
	We recalibrated Tested the machine again and again.
	That piece of iron was x-ray invisible.
	Why?
	Iron is not invisible.
	Or arts parts.
	Remember arts parts?
	Well, I still have them.
	Oh, I've got some of them too.
	We tested that little piece of magnesium, foamed magnesium and bismuth.
	Yes.
	You know, we found on the electron microscope there is no connection.
	Between the magnesium and bismuth layers, it's just empty.
	It's incredible, isn't it?
	Yes, I know.
	Extraordinary.
	Both of those are hyper-technological materials.
	They are beyond our technological knowledge.
	Do you think that we understand enough about them to know whether... I mean, so many people are saying that, oh, you know, we're going to get in big trouble.
	Some horrible thing is going to get ready to happen.
	Something plowing into our planet or the destruction by our own hand or something.
	And they will step in and save our butts.
	They will save us.
	I have no idea whether they would do that or if they could.
	Or if See, there's another possibility.
	What if they're like from what the scientists call a brain world, a B-R-A-N-E brain world, a parallel world, a universe?
	They are believed to exist physically right here, all around us.
	If they are penetrating from some other reality like that, it might explain why they're sort of part of our reality and then not part of it at the same time.
	And they may not be able to.
	They may be of limited power.
	If they come here from Mars, they have limited ability to do so, which is why they show up in larger numbers when Mars is close.
	Because it's easier.
	Or they could be from our own future.
	Or from our own planet.
	Yes.
	How hard would it be for a chimpanzee to understand us, or to realize how many of us there were, to really grasp our existence at all if there's another species here that is more intelligent and more proficient than we are that we might have a lot of trouble really being aware of the fact that they're here they may be from here well I've talked to people who have done some controlled experiments for example at the ranch where they've seen up portals opening quickly and things literally crawling through them
	And, you know, all of this mixes up together with me when I start thinking of aliens with our dead.
	Yeah.
	Portals.
	It almost seems, you know, and you talk to the modern theoretical physicist and he'll very quickly tell you, you bet there's other dimensions.
	And they're not even sure how many, but many, 11 more.
	And so they could all be with us, even sharing the same space, but just one or two dimensions away.
	Boy, I'm not so sure I'd like to go where they are.
	And Woodley, it may well be that what we do would have a profound effect in some way we can't measure and know about on them and their existence.
	So they may care a whole lot about what we do.
	They may, yeah.
	They may depend on us in some way.
	But you know, I don't feel like there's, I never have felt very much like there's something, some huge invasion or something around the corner.
	What I have felt is that this is something that's probably been with us a long time, and it kind of smolders along, and that the tragedy is that science won't take a look at it and learn from it.
	Well, I frequently wonder about you, Whit.
	In other words, you've got an implant, and I would have no way of knowing what kind of control that implant has over who you are, what you think, what you say.
	Have you ever wondered about that?
	Well, of course.
	I have.
	All I can say is this, that I have in my life, in dealing with this, there's been a consistent pattern, which is that when it started to happen to me, I was absolutely terrified and I decided to make something of it for myself because it was there.
	It was like the mountain to climb.
	I went out into the woods alone in the dead of the night to challenge it.
	And the result was a whole lot of knowledge came my way that I have been trying to communicate through my books and my website ever since.
	I have a new journal entry up on my website called Dancing in the Mirrors, which is about this amazing mirror-like quality that the whole thing has.
	I know this whole thing now is your life.
	Yeah, but Art, I have to tell you from the When I get excited and I'm driving down the street, the street lights start going out and sometimes the ear turns red and gets hot and I hear a noise in it.
	It's like I'm going into overdrive and it seems to be sending out a signal.
	I think it's telling somebody where I am, frankly.
	I think that's all it does.
	I just don't see it as being a mind control thing.
	I feel too free inside myself.
	If it was a mind control thing, and it was a good one, you wouldn't know it.
	I wonder.
	Well, you wouldn't know it.
	I mean, it's just like a... it's like a tap on your telephone, Whitley.
	Well, what if... If you've got a good tap on your telephone, you don't hear clicks and crunches.
	They just hear what you have to say.
	A good tap is a good tap, and a good mind control is a good mind control.
	You know what I mean?
	I think that if I was under mind control, I wouldn't even know about the implant.
	Maybe.
	Well, listen, Whitley, as always, it's wonderful to have you here.
	Next time, we'll do an entire program.
	How about that?
	That would be fun!
	All right.
	UnknownCountry.com is Whit's website.
	He told you how to find what you need to find regarding what we talked about tonight.
	Whitley, thank you.
	Buenos noches.
	Good night.
	We'll be back in a moment.
	When we do come back, be warned, we're going to be talking about magic.
	Witchcraft.
	Coming next, Evelyn Paglini.
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	I've had nothing but bad luck since the day I saw the cat at my door.
	So I came in to you, sweet lady, answering your mystical call.
	Crystal ball on the table, showing the future to the past.
	Same cat with them evil eyes, and I knew it was a spell she cast.
	She's just a devil woman with evil on her mind.
	Beware the devil woman, she's gonna get you.
	She's just a devil woman with evil on her mind.
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	This will offend some people out there.
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	Don't expose yourself to needless pain.
	This is going to be a very serious discussion about something that I personally believe is absolutely real magic.
	Dr. Evelyn Paglini is coming up.
	She's a parapsychologist, one of the leading authorities on the occult and the supernatural in the United States.
	She was born into a centuries-old family of practitioners of the occult.
	And at the age of four, her grandfather began teaching her natural magic.
	Very important phrase, natural magic.
	She is a psychic, metaphysical teacher, lecturer, consultant, doctor of divinity, and spiritual warrior.
	She also founded the International Psychic Center, a research investigation organization that has been called upon As an expert by law enforcement, Agencies has set precedence in Texas court systems on child abuse cases with ritual overtones.
	Worked with law enforcement on missing people and murder cases involving the occult and the supernatural.
	So brace yourself, Evelyn Paglini coming right up.
	Ladies and gentlemen, here is a witch, Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	Dr. Paglini, welcome to the program.
	Well, thank you.
	It's so wonderful to be back, and I am so glad to have you back where you belong.
	Thank you.
	It's great to be here.
	I have a lot of really serious questions for you tonight.
	Evelyn, what do you know about death?
	What do I know about it?
	Yeah, that's right.
	What do you know about death?
	In other words, what do you know about what happens when we die?
	From your perspective, from one who's a practitioner of other than, you know, what we learn in church.
	I don't know how to put this.
	From your point of view as a practitioner, what do you know about the nature of death?
	What happens when we die?
	Well, naturally there are many people who have had a near-death experience.
	They have gone through the tunnel.
	They have seen the light.
	They have come into the presence of the divine light.
	Sometimes they have gone through other dimensions and have seen other spirits or souls or entities on their journey.
	Usually they will go, as we have heard, into what we call a school so that you can revisit that
	which you have accomplished or not accomplished in the physical plane in
	this manifestation.
	And then for a time you are, let's say, redeveloped. Your development is
	continued and then you reincarnate and come back again.
	So you have no doubt, do you, that we have a soul, that we have something entirely separate from our physical beings that continues upon physical death?
	Absolutely.
	Is that wound in the principles, understandings, and teachings of the practice, the craft, as much as it is I believe that every tradition and culture, no matter what the religious teachings are, okay, have the spirit, the soul.
	And the reincarnation thereof.
	If I was a complete neophyte, which I'm not because I have personal close-in experience with the craft as it were, but if I were a complete neophyte and I said to you, come on, magic, give me a break.
	That's stuff I see on TV or in the movies.
	Magic is hooey.
	Magic is baloney.
	Magic is a carnival thing.
	It's not real.
	It's not real.
	Convince me.
	Convince me it's real.
	Well, if you were talking about the stage magician, I would have to agree.
	But I'm not.
	But I know.
	And so the magic that you speak of, I would have to say was the science of mankind in the beginning.
	It was the path that led us through nature and the elements to that which is the divine.
	That is the communication with the divine.
	So you're saying magic then is natural?
	Yes.
	It's a natural thing.
	It's as natural as the wind and the sun and the earth and the things that we know.
	And it's in our DNA and it's in our soul.
	Why then, well I guess I know the answer to my own question.
	I was going to say why then do we burn practitioners of it at stakes?
	Well we did at one time and now We do it socially if we don't do it in actual practice.
	People like you are, you know... Fear of the unknown.
	Fear of the power of the unknown.
	You think so?
	Magic is very powerful art and dangerous in the wrong hands.
	And usually it is the negative aspect that is brought to the surface.
	That which is, let's say, the media will pay attention to.
	And so it fosters fear.
	And just as they burned them at the stake hundreds of years ago, they still have repercussions today.
	Yes, you bet.
	Having somebody like you on the air has its repercussions, believe me, because, well, I don't know why.
	I guess it is fear.
	You know, I guess it really is a very basic fear inside of people of the unknown, but maybe there's reason to be afraid of them.
	Like I said, power is a double-edged sword, and it is the hand of the wielder of the power, whether it is going to be positive or negative, and yes, it should be feared.
	Well, most of the, in quotes here, witches that I've spoken with in the past, and over the years I've tried to talk to many, Most say they only are a white witch, a Wicca person, and there is no such thing as dark magic.
	There's no such thing as negative energy of that kind.
	They say, it doesn't work!
	You can try all day long to do something negative with magic and you can't do it.
	It just can't be done.
	That's the way the universe works, they say.
	All is love and light.
	Well, I don't know what tradition or sect of Wiccan that you are talking to.
	I know that they have a balance.
	I know that they do not want, okay, to harm another.
	That is their principle.
	But I cannot believe that they would not say that evil or negativity or the dark forces do exist because they do have always been and will always be.
	If they choose not To manifest or to use it, that's one thing.
	But to say it does not exist, I don't believe that.
	Well, I think the reason perhaps they say that is they just don't want... It has a lot to do, after all, with belief and faith and things.
	And maybe they feel that if they say that, that people will just conclude that and think that way.
	And they won't be persecuted.
	So, in other words, if I keep telling you all I do is practice white magic, you're going to say, well, alright, she's safe.
	Okay, he's safe, so therefore there's no fear.
	They're only going to practice white magic.
	But there is no color in magic.
	Magic is neutral.
	So if I have knowledge and I have power, it is my responsibility where I direct that power or that action.
	And it's either going to be black or white, depending on my target.
	What have I got to do with it?
	The word target alone implies sort of the negative.
	Well, yeah, because I practice magic.
	I mean, if it was good, you'd say the recipient.
	Well, if you're justified, then you're going to get it.
	You know, I am not the kind of a witch never have been, where I say the only thing I practice is white magic.
	No, I do not.
	I am a spiritual warrior.
	I fight.
	Negative energy.
	I fight evil.
	I fight the servants of evil.
	And where I find them, I attack.
	The servants of evil.
	Are there many of those, Evelyn?
	Servants of evil?
	You have no idea.
	There are countless.
	Hundreds upon hundreds of thousands.
	Yes.
	Here's an email I got from somebody earlier tonight, and they say that their life has gone from, I won't name this person, bad to worse.
	That everything negative that could possibly happen has happened to this person.
	That if there's luck, they've had anti-luck.
	In every aspect of their life, things have come down on them like brick walls.
	I mean, this is a way of life for this person.
	And they're wondering, you know, for so many things we have a little test we can do.
	Is there any little test somebody can do to find out if they are the target of something like that?
	I'll tell you, first of all, most people, after a period of time, will realize whether they're in a negative cycle or if they are under psychic attack.
	Your own inner being, your own senses, Your skin acts like a radar.
	It will tell you.
	Your guts inside will tell you there's something wrong.
	This is not a cycle.
	Okay, well this person really, really does feel something is wrong.
	I mean, can you, you know, there's the old songs and sayings about running into the wrong person and doing the wrong thing and having a spell put on you.
	These spells are real?
	They can be done?
	These spells are not only real, they are being done, have always been and will continue to be by those practitioners who will want to harm another individual.
	Yes, they work.
	They work.
	So, if you wished to do it, you could put a spell on somebody which would turn their life into a negative nightmare?
	Yes.
	Very much so.
	I can touch them in different aspects of their lives in different arenas.
	I can go after them financially and break them.
	I can ruin their relationships with their family and their loved ones and their mate.
	I can create havoc within their health system.
	I can attack them emotionally as well as in the nervous system and I can also attack them mentally.
	That's pretty much it, all right?
	Yeah.
	So you could just literally take a person down.
	Are there consequences to you for doing that?
	If I was not justified, yes.
	If I had a predator, if I had a person... Let me give you an example.
	Recently, in fact, the person was on Celebrity Justice just Friday.
	An employee and friend of mine had gotten involved with a man that was a con artist.
	And she was taken very badly.
	She was abused and she was used.
	And she was left holding the bag of thousands of dollars of bills.
	Now this man was a con artist before he met her and continued to be after he left.
	What I did was a ritual to turn his natural tendencies of con and manipulation against him.
	Now I did this ritual approximately four and a half months ago.
	Ironically, Thursday morning he was arrested and is now incarcerated.
	Oh.
	And this is the gentleman that tried to, uh, solve Kobe Bryant's problem.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	That man.
	Yeah.
	Yuri.
	Oh my god.
	Oh my god, really?
	So there's one way of taking a predator not only off the scene, but getting justification.
	And he had, whoever this was, he had in some way cheated... Cheated, abused, ran up thousands of dollars... Should I say, would I say your client?
	Your client?
	Would that be your client or your... My friend and employee.
	She did not want to come to me when she finally did because he had left and had all these tremendous bills and found out all of the things that had been done, plus I I heard the story of what he did to her.
	Wow.
	What kind of ritual, without giving the absolute specifics, because I'm not sure we want to give that out on the air, but I mean, what kind of ritual would you go through to manifest that kind of ending for this person?
	Well, I would make an effigy of the individual which is a representation of that person.
	Imitative magic.
	Almost like voodoo.
	Right!
	Then I would take that which is in sympathy with the body, and I have now established a connection and a link.
	I have used a black reverse image candle, so what I am doing is reversing everything that he has done on himself, and then I am bringing down a light, a spotlight, so that he will be found out, that he will be caught, And that he will be incarcerated.
	And I see it in action.
	See what is above becomes manifested below.
	So once I created in the astral plane Once I have manifested it there, then it can come down into the physical plane and it will get its results.
	Where does the power come from that you call upon to do this?
	Where does that power come from?
	Well, the first thing I do is I do what we call a raising of power, and that is the power of myself, the personal power.
	Then what I do is a drawing of power.
	I will pull in entities, elements, spirits, Whatever it is that is necessary in order to accomplish the task.
	So there are others, elements, elementals that you can call upon to assist you?
	Yes.
	I call on the elements, I will call upon the watchers, I will call upon a specific entity or deity that will help me and aid me and assist me in accomplishing my goal.
	Is there any way that you know that this spell that you have cast has taken effect?
	I mean, is it immediate?
	Is it two weeks, three weeks, a few months, as you mentioned?
	Or do these things always happen right away?
	Or do they sometimes take time?
	Do you know the way they're going to manifest?
	I mean, do you know he's going to end up in handcuffs on the way to jail?
	That's what I saw.
	How it was going to come about, I did not know.
	I just put it out there and I see it in its completion.
	Now, depending on what the ritual is, it can be an immediate reaction, or it can be something that may take a little bit of time.
	When you're dealing with a person, especially one of that ill repute, you realize that they are going to increase their, let's say, con.
	And so, therefore, they're going to become more and more daring.
	So what you're doing is waiting for the ultimate where they're going to be caught.
	Or they're going to do something and make a mistake, and you make sure that that's what happens.
	Yet you give them false pride, false ego, false power, and then you destroy them.
	So, really, it wouldn't matter what they would endeavor to do, it would go all wrong.
	When I got done with them, yeah.
	And I'm being very sincere, Art.
	It's not something I do often.
	Yes.
	Alright, but when it is justified, yeah, I will Well, there's a lot of good and evil in the world, to be sure.
	And in terms of going to get someone who's done evil, I wouldn't think there'd be any shortage of targets.
	No, there aren't.
	But you know, now let's take it on a smaller plane.
	Let's say you have a predator.
	I have an awful lot of my clients that are interstate truckers.
	Oh?
	And they're worried about hijacking.
	Worried about being sabotaged?
	Sure.
	In competition?
	Well, what I have told them is that they can do what we call a thought form or a familiar, and you can create, let's say, the panther or the wolf as a protector, not only of yourself, but of that truck or that vehicle or that car or that suburban.
	And, therefore, let's say someone is going to attempt to either hijack you What they would see as you would walk to your car or to your truck is that you had an animal with you.
	And what was waiting in that car or truck was another.
	And so usually the culprits will say, let's go find something that's a little easier.
	Well, sure.
	Yeah, sure.
	But they would see... Oh, yes.
	Manifestation of a thought form.
	Yes.
	You know, that's interesting because I've had so many emails of strange, unexplainable occurrences from people that are on the highway.
	Obviously, we have a lot of listeners who are in trucks at this time of night, you know, headed out into the night across the interstates of this country.
	And you've helped out a number of them, huh?
	Yes, I have.
	And I've got so many wonderful testimonials.
	I mean, they can't believe it, but once they first evoke and conjure and create a thought form and give it life, its energy, it will manifest.
	Well, when we get back in a moment, we're at a break point here.
	When we get back, we'll continue talking about, we're not going to exclusively, now mind you, talk about the wicked sides of magic, but we are going to cover an awful lot of it.
	I had no idea it was out there on the highways in the interstates across our nation.
	Fascinating.
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	Good morning, everybody.
	And it is morning in most time zones we're serving, but not all.
	My guest is a witch, Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	And we are talking about the craft.
	You just stay right where you are.
	there is much ahead.
	In fact, not all of you may be aware of, my wife Ramona is a practitioner to some degree
	of the craft. And when I go into our backyard, aside from that which is growing that I love
	and eat on a frequent basis, she grows those for me, there is this gigantic field of herbs.
	I mean, Evelyn, we have herbs growing from stem to stern out there, all kinds of strange herbs that give off A very unusual, not bad, but very unusual smell.
	And she's taken to growing all these herbs.
	Are they one of the tools?
	Are they not of the craft?
	What do herbs do?
	What's it all about?
	Well, I'll tell you one thing.
	They've always had roots and herbs and barks and spices.
	And they've been used by, oh God, the wise men to replenish their energies and to cure the sick.
	You can nourish the body.
	You can also present it to your deities.
	They have a vibration.
	They have an energy, and when tapped into, they can be utilized as a tool, as an aid.
	If you want to protect your home, you could use some rue, or some five-finger grass, or some boulder leaf.
	And in what way would that protect your home?
	Because it is a protectant.
	It sets up a shield.
	It sets up a barrier.
	And so therefore, those people that would, let's say, want to come in and wish you ill will or wish you harm, that would be absorbed by those herbs.
	Also, they would be uncomfortable and not want to stay.
	And that's only one way.
	Of course, you use herbs magically, too.
	Yes.
	And so that's why I'm very proud of her, that she's growing so many herbs.
	But they would have an effect on somebody that somebody wouldn't even realize.
	It would turn them away from an otherwise negative action toward you.
	That's really interesting.
	Yes, and also you can use certain herbs in order for, let's say, to bring luck, to help you in a court case or a lawsuit.
	There are herbs that you can use for attraction, for, again, repelling.
	Each has its own vibration and its own what we call calling out or magnetizing to you or retelling from you.
	They're part of the natural world, aren't they?
	Yes, like essential oils.
	Essential oils, another tool.
	Another tool.
	They're not only used for anointing, Alright, but they can be used for the consecration of your instruments, the consecration of the image candles that you would be using.
	They are worn, they are placed on your chakras in order to open up a specific area of your chakra.
	They are also used when you are going to call down, evoke, or invoke a deity, a spirit, an entity.
	So there's multi-uses.
	Not only can you use them in the home to create an atmosphere, to bring in a vibration, you can also use it to put, again, a protectant.
	Rosemary and rose geranium are excellent, as well as myrrh, for a protectant.
	I mean, if you want to protect yourself from evil and negativity coming through, take any one of those oils I mentioned, draw a circle, place a four-quarter cross right in the center, And then state out loud and firmly that there is no evil or negativity that can cross this threshold.
	And do likewise by placing it, let's say, on the headboard of your bed or on the wall if you don't have a headboard.
	Once again, draw a circle.
	Place a cross in the center of it.
	And then this time say, there is no evil.
	I wonder sometimes how much evil there is.
	You know, I've interviewed some of the real McCoy best exorcists in the world and many involved with the church and they assure me that evil is not only all around us, Evelyn, but that it is on the increase.
	It is rapid.
	That there is evil everywhere, and you can feel it.
	You can know that is so.
	Yes.
	And these are the tools that you would use to keep it away from you personally.
	Yes, and from your family, from your loved ones.
	You can put shields of protection around your loved ones, your family, your home.
	What's the difference, Evelyn, between luck and fate?
	And luck versus fate.
	I mean, is there real luck?
	I guess you would say there is, right?
	You can make your own luck to some degree?
	To some degree, you make your own luck as well as you can create your own destiny.
	Because if you have the knowledge, then what you're going to use are those tools.
	You're going to use the elements.
	You're going to use that which you can to aid you and assist you in getting your goals and bringing in luck, opening up doors of opportunity.
	Okay, well this is not something that, it seems like you just go to your local library and, you know, tools for good luck and how to cast spells and witchcraft and all the rest of it.
	If you wanted to learn this, and if you were willing to regard this as a natural thing, not an Not an abnormal type of thing that's really wicked in some way, but as part of the natural world, and you wanted to begin to experiment with this, how would you begin?
	How would you start to learn?
	The most important thing is to get a good foundation, and that would be to learn meditation and visualization.
	The development of the mind is foremost.
	Once that is accomplished, Now you can enter into the knowledge of, let's say, candle burning, the psychology of color and its use.
	Then you can go into, as I had mentioned before, imitative and sympathetic magic.
	From then, if you really want to continue and you want to grow, then you're going to get involved with how to set up an altar, how to cast a circle, How to use your instruments and your tools, how to do evocation and summation, how to call in the elements, the forces and the vibrations, how to use the spirits of those elements, and then of course to go into other dimensions and then to be able to use other spirits and entities in those dimensions and in those planes of existence
	In order to assist you.
	Is there anything wrong with using magic to your own benefit, not just in the protective sense, for example, but in the enrichment sense?
	Oh, absolutely not.
	That's what you're supposed to do.
	You are supposed to allow and attract prosperity and wealth and success to you.
	The reason I'm laughing is because one of your questions here Was, is magic used in big business?
	Corporation?
	Is it used in the entertainment field?
	And so here I'm closing my eyes and thinking about the executives at Premier running around a desk and sticking pins in a doll or something.
	But you see, that is the choice of the practitioner.
	Are they?
	Yes.
	No, I don't mean just Premier, but I mean of large business in general.
	In some of these boardrooms, are things going on that might surprise us?
	In the entertainment field, as well as in the corporate field, there is magic that is being used.
	Not always in a positive fashion.
	I can imagine.
	Recently, in the entertainment field alone, especially in the music industry, the last seven or eight years, an awful lot of voodoo, an awful lot of Santa Terea and black magic is being used against the celebrities.
	Really?
	Oh yeah, magic here in Hollywood is very, very strong and very much alive.
	Much more than we would imagine out here.
	You have no idea.
	Apparently not.
	Apparently not.
	There is a curse that has been placed on a young lady that caused not only the marriage to be called off, but her to run to a psychic to try and find out and to do a ritual to try and get the person back.
	Unbeknownst, there is a curse placed that this young lady will never have lasting love and happiness.
	We're not talking J-Lo here, are we?
	Yes, we are.
	Ah!
	I thought maybe we were.
	Oh, my!
	Yes, we are.
	So, you're saying she's availing herself of... She has availed herself, and unfortunately that she has someone very powerful working against her.
	You have to wonder, the leaders of business, the very successful and rich, those who are in show business and who are doing very, very well.
	As well as the leaders of nations and countries and religious factors.
	Yes, I'll tell you, some of our presidents and first ladies have made some of the oddest comments.
	About communication with the dead, and somehow the media, you know, treats it very lightly, but I mean, these are first ladies and presidents and leaders of nations, as you point out, and you think they're much more familiar with the craft, let's say, or aspects of it, than we would imagine.
	And if they personally are not, they have in their employ those who are.
	My, my.
	Is there any way to know, sitting out here, those who are employing such techniques and those who are not?
	Or is it so invisible that there's no way?
	If you are going to hone and focus your attention on a particular area or group or society, Yes, you can find out if they are using magic.
	And then you can learn the kind of magic they are using and learn to combat it, to block it, or to lessen it.
	In what way would you find out that some person or group is using magic?
	How would you endeavor to glean that knowledge?
	Well, first of all, once you have the target, what you're going to do is you are going to send An astral projection, it's like a shadow person.
	Hear the wording?
	Yeah, oh yeah.
	Okay, there to visit.
	Like a familiar.
	Like a spy.
	Like remote viewing?
	Yes, yes, yes.
	And therefore you are seeing what practices they are doing.
	The type of rituals they are doing.
	What entities or beings are they calling upon?
	Are they doing blood sacrifices?
	There's a lot of that going on?
	Oh, yes.
	And I don't always mean animal.
	Why is that effective?
	Why is a blood sacrifice?
	Why is a death in a cause a meaningful thing?
	Why?
	Depending on the tradition, let me just say that they've always mentioned that the metal of the gods is gold, the conduit, and that the nectar of the gods is blood.
	It is the life force.
	It is the energy.
	It carries much.
	And so, therefore, when offered, it is replenished in another way.
	It is appeasing to certain deities.
	Yes, but certainly no God that I'm familiar with or have been told about in my sort of Christian existence would be pleased or grant power to those who bled something to death or somebody to gain power.
	That's not where it would come from.
	No, but see, centuries ago Almost every religion out there had a sacrifice.
	Right.
	A blood sacrifice.
	Right.
	Today, in modern traditions, including Catholicism, that sacrifice is done symbolically.
	Like the blood and the wine.
	Sure.
	Okay?
	And so therefore, it still carries symbolically its essence.
	But there are traditions, there are societies, There are groups and organizations out there, religious factors, who do not want to use the modern symbology.
	They use the old ways.
	And they will use animal and human sacrifice.
	They do not do it symbolically.
	And that is a way to gain some great power?
	Yes.
	It is much power that is gained because of the specific deity or entity that is being called upon.
	There is also one religious factor or tradition out there that their own scriptures, their own documents, their own testaments call for blood sacrifice.
	And they are very powerful in existence today.
	Look to the Middle East, you'll know what I'm talking about.
	Yes.
	There are many who ask, then, why isn't this kind of power wielded against the Saddam Husseins, the Osama Bin Laden's really bad guys, or has it been?
	It has been, but not on the scale that it should be, because here in the Western world there are not many Practitioners, and certainly those that are, are not united.
	Isn't that the truth?
	I mean, here as compared to elsewhere in the world?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, in Europe it's being done, has been done in the past, was done against Hitler and succeeded, has been done in Italy and in Greece and in Egypt.
	It is here in the Western world that we have to play a little catch-up.
	But we are!
	More and more people, because of what is going on, the tremendous raise of consciousness, Their own sixth sense, their own intuition has been rising to the surface.
	Their interest in magic, in the paranormal, in the power of the mind has increased tenfold.
	Magic, of course, can be used for lighter, cheerier things as well.
	For example, a woman can get her man, can't she?
	Yes, you can.
	Through the use of this sort of thing, and this is going to perk up a lot of ears out there, I'm sure, or the opposite, I would imagine, a man can get his woman.
	If you really wanted to attract somebody to you, what manner would you use?
	How would you do that?
	And how successful can you imagine it would be?
	If you're a person that's just starting out, again, if you don't have a real good foundation in meditation and visualization, then let's say you'd have to repeat it several times, only because your power isn't there, but what you would do is use, again, that psychology of color, you would use the color of red, and you would use, let's say, an image candle, which is a wax figure, and it comes in a gender of either a male or a female, And what you would use would be an essential oil of, like, attraction, or come to me, or compelling.
	And what you would do is, because you don't have a particular person in mind, you just want to, let's say, open up the field and bring some in.
	I'd be helpful about that, but let's assume that... We have a specific person.
	Yeah, let's assume that you have a specific person.
	Oh, well, honey, then we can really play.
	Well, let's say we can have a specific red male image candle.
	Yes.
	And let's use love's fire because we've already, you know, want to ignite the libido and the passion.
	Yes.
	We'd use a red female image candle to represent, let's say, the female who's trying to attract him.
	And we would start him off, ooh, a good maybe 12 inches apart.
	Huh.
	Now, what you're going to do is you're going to consecrate each image candle.
	You want me to do this?
	Oh, well, now, hold on.
	You want me to, I mean, you know.
	Well, no, because I don't know what the consequences are.
	You mean do it right now.
	In other words, I'm telling a person exactly what to do.
	Well, yeah.
	They're going to consecrate it in their first and last name.
	They're going to consecrate it in the name of the individual they're trying to attract.
	They're going to use an essential oil to consecrate.
	Then they're going to light the candle.
	They're going to do a meditation and a visualization, okay, where they are attracting that person to them.
	Now, I guess you're asking, is it wise to give all these details?
	Is that essentially what you're asking?
	I hadn't thought about that aspect of it.
	So, we're at a break.
	Let me think about that aspect of it, and we'll be right back.
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	This is Dr. Evelyn Paglini, a real witch.
	And yes, in a moment, I think we'll proceed exactly from where we were and we'll talk about how you can get him or how you can get her.
	I mean, what the heck?
	Why not?
	Once again, Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	Come on, let's do it.
	Here's to Dan in a place called Arden.
	I don't know where that is.
	Go ahead, encourage her.
	To tell us how to do a magic love spell.
	It's something instructive that people can test and prove or disprove the validity of the idea to themselves.
	It results in spiritual awareness and growth.
	Or Todd in Santa Rosa, California.
	Here you go.
	Please ask Evelyn if she'd do a love spell for me to find my soulmate.
	I'm 36.
	I'm an utter failure at dating.
	I want to be a father, but time's running out, I feel.
	Could be a coast-to-coast AM experiment.
	I'll write reports for the show, he says.
	Well, first of all, I do not do rituals for others.
	What I do is teach them how to do it for themselves.
	And that was the question, and we're in the middle of explaining how to do that.
	So let's rock right through.
	Before I do that, I have to preface something.
	Number one, this is for those people who either have a person in mind, a relationship that is already going, and they want to take it to the next level.
	I need balance here, Art.
	I do not want people where they are going to try and force another person to become a robot and to love them and be with them against their will.
	This is not what magic is for.
	Like a Stepford Wife.
	Yes.
	So I need to preface it before I say this.
	Please, this is to be used to heighten a relationship.
	To bring it to the next level of intensity.
	But written between the lines there has to be the fact that you could use it that other way, eh?
	That's correct, and I'm glad you brought that up because now you understand the difference between black and white magic.
	Well, good.
	That was a question.
	Let's take the wider aspect of this.
	You just want to enhance a relationship.
	You want to go to the next level.
	That's, I think, the way you put it.
	Yes.
	And you would do exactly what?
	First of all, let's take what ABCs.
	We're going to take a female individual gender wax figure and a male gender wax figure.
	You're going to dress the candle.
	That means that you are going to use an essential oil that is conducive for what you are about to do.
	And how do you know what that is?
	Well, because you are going to enhance a relationship and we're dealing with love.
	Oh, no, no, I understand.
	How do you know which oil, for example, you would want to use?
	How many choices are there?
	There are many.
	I gave suggestions of Love Spire, Compelling, Come to Me, These are all kind of like perfume titles?
	They are essential oils, honey, that are a blend.
	And they can be used in order to bring that person to you and for him to, or her, okay, to feel the emotion that you are sending.
	Gotcha.
	Once you have dressed the candle, and there's a particular way of doing it, all right, you would hold the candle in the center.
	And after you have put the essential oils on your power hand, that means if you're left-handed or right-handed, you would put the essential oils in the first three fingers of your power hand.
	You would pick up the image candle, holding it in the center.
	I'll tell you about the center later.
	You're going to slide your hand from the center to the top of the head, from the center to the bottom of the feet.
	Then you're going to consecrate the image candle, first in your first and last name.
	And then in his first and last name.
	Uh-huh.
	Now, there are specific words.
	Those words would be... Are you ready, Art?
	I think so.
	I consecrate thee in the name of your first and last name.
	Then you add, whatsoever I visualize shall be done to you.
	So be it.
	It is done.
	Now remember the center of the candle?
	Here's where we're going to have sympathetic magic.
	Let's get something that belongs and that is in with sympathy to the body of the person that you are working on.
	A strand of their hair.
	Correct.
	Something.
	A thread of their clothing.
	And you are going to infuse it in the center of that wax figure that represents that person that is the subject.
	Once infused now you have not only the imitative link but the sympathetic link.
	You light the candle and for those that are just starting out I would recommend a half an hour to 45 minute meditation visualization.
	Now let me stop for a minute.
	I would like you to take the two candles The one that is representing you is going to be on the left-hand side.
	The one that is representing the subject is on the right-hand side.
	You're going to put them approximately 12 inches apart from each other.
	Now, they are lit.
	And now you have started your meditation and your visualization.
	And this is where the development of the mind and the technique of visualization and the focusing your attention like a laser beam Is most important.
	Because you are going to, in your mind's eye, create like a movie.
	And the action must come from the subject toward you.
	Let's say you want that person to come to you more often, be with you more often.
	So what you're going to do is you're going to see him coming on a plane, on a train, on a boat.
	Any way he can get to you, he's got to get to you.
	Right.
	He needs you.
	He wants you.
	He desires you.
	He cannot live without you.
	He needs to touch you.
	He needs to be in your vibration, in your essence.
	You see where I'm going?
	Okay, after a half an hour to 45 minutes of always not feeling what you want to feel, how you feel toward that person, but how you want that person to respond and to act Toward you.
	That's very important.
	Isn't a person likely to overdo it?
	I mean, you gave us cautions there.
	You don't want to end up, you said, with a robot.
	But when you're visualizing a love, and you have a passion, and you... that's almost what you're gonna wish, isn't it?
	It's almost what you're going to visualize.
	It's almost what you're going to project.
	Don't you have to be awfully careful?
	I mean, how If you do it wrong, how wrong can it go?
	You're not going to do it wrong because if you're coming from love, if you're coming from spirit, if you're coming from essence and balance, then what you are going to say to that person is that when you come to me, there is safety, there is goodness, there is protection, there is understanding, there is humor, In other words, you're drawing that person to you because you care.
	Because you know you love them, and you want them to not have fear of being in love with you.
	So it's not going to go wrong unless you are forcing that individual.
	Well, that's kind of where I was going.
	In other words, when you are, when you have unrequited love, when you are just absolutely passionately consumed by somebody, what you envision and what you wish is liable to be way over the top in terms of what you need to do, isn't it?
	Yes, and if you're a good practitioner and you're going against and out of balance, you will succeed.
	Well, right.
	You will get that person.
	Will you be happy?
	No.
	Will that person be happy?
	No.
	Will you have karmic payback?
	Yes.
	But you can do it.
	But you can do it.
	And I would think somebody in that position would very easily go overboard.
	In general, with magic, Evelyn, in the hands of somebody who doesn't know what they're doing or makes a very large mistake, how wrong can it go?
	In other words, how important is it to really know what you're doing?
	Because it could potentially go totally wrong, right?
	You can take a life.
	You can take a life?
	Yes.
	You can start a chain reaction that will feed upon itself and you can actually cause that individual life's essence force to be destroyed.
	And that's the ultimate, isn't it?
	Well, in this life, yes.
	So everything else would be superficial, but they can start at the bottom and work their way up and ultimately take the person's life force.
	You have to have balance.
	You have to have an understanding.
	You have to have a background.
	You've got to know what you're doing, and you've got to take responsibility for your action.
	You can't pass the buck.
	You can't say, the devil made me do it.
	How was all of this knowledge, even the specific knowledge about, for example, how to get somebody attracted to you?
	I mean, the information you gave us is awfully specific.
	How in the world, and maybe you can't answer this, was this ever discovered and then passed on and taught through generations?
	How was this originally conceived?
	I think it was through trial and error.
	In other words, just look... There are basic, again, basic natural instincts that people are going to want to follow.
	And as they developed the knowledge of nature and the elements, they started using that in order to get their desires.
	That's what magic is, the manipulation of energy forces, vibrations, in order to achieve your desired results.
	I was just wondering if there was some specific religion or order in the very ancient days that developed this in some way that you're aware of.
	It goes back tens of thousands of years.
	It predates the Etruscans and the Romans and the Egyptians.
	It has been found in ancient Mesopotamia.
	This has been around a long time and it has been handed down from generation to generation, from culture to culture.
	Let's cross the border one more time, white to black.
	With regard to black magic, this is David in Bullhead City, Arizona, who says, and this is one I really want you to answer, he says, black magic can only affect those who believe it's real.
	You believe it's phony, it can't touch you.
	Magic works whether you believe it or not.
	It is the practitioner who makes it happen.
	You don't have to believe it.
	And it crosses miles.
	There is no distance.
	He's taking this from voodoo, you know, where it is said that a person has to believe that evil can be done to them for it to be done to them.
	And if they don't believe it, then it's gone.
	Well, not just voodoo, Art.
	You know, I'm going to tell you something.
	In early witchcraft, they used to have a saying, 60% of witchcraft is suggestibility.
	Right.
	But it's the other percentage you've got to worry about.
	As a practitioner like me, that's what you've got to worry about.
	There's no question about that.
	In other words, I could think your phony is a $2... Yeah, well, so did Yuri.
	And it wouldn't make any difference.
	If you decided to come and get me, I would... You're mine.
	How long have you been... I guess all your life?
	All of my life.
	All of your life.
	I have a heritage that dates back thousands of years.
	I'm a Tuscany witch, a Strega.
	If somebody needs something done, Evelyn, would they be better off trying to learn the
	basics of how to do what they want done or coming to somebody of your caliber?
	I prefer people to have the knowledge themselves.
	Once gained, they can use it in other areas.
	Well, I hear you saying what you would prefer.
	I'm just saying that if you want something done, something big in business or somebody who has wronged you or, you know, it's going to be a major operation of some sort, is there something an amateur really can tackle or not?
	Most amateurs cannot.
	You will have to seek out a practitioner and you have to seek out one that is trustworthy, one that has a background of balance in order to help you or to assist you.
	I still would recommend that the person learn how to protect themselves or how to learn the magic for themselves.
	Only because I've heard horror stories, Art.
	Like what?
	Well, people have gone to Let's say specific medicine men or shamans or witches that are going to perform a ritual for them.
	They have paid dearly and have not had anything taken care of.
	All they've been done is taken to the cleaners.
	And so therefore, when something that important, unless you really know someone, at least there is If someone is going to give you someone of excellent reputation, I would prefer the person learn it for themselves.
	Well?
	I don't do ritual for others because I haven't got enough nights in my life, okay, to do rituals.
	All right, but if magic is as you suggest it is, and is powerful, and you can really cause people to take paths, for example, they would not otherwise take, then what about our leadership in this country?
	What about targeting Political figures like the President of the United States, like the, you know, whoever.
	That's always been done.
	Has it?
	Yeah.
	It's always been done.
	It's always been tried.
	It's always had magic as an influence.
	There is sometimes a succession because remember there is an opposing factor.
	But yeah, it has been used.
	Well, I mean, if that's true, then it may be that our national policy, whatever it happens to be at the moment, is shaped by a force not inside the White House at all.
	Well, there's always been a rumor that there is a governing body that is within the government that no one knows thereof.
	Do you know anything about that?
	Pardon me?
	Do you know anything about that?
	Let's say that there are many societies out there that have excellent hidden agendas.
	And they certainly practice magic.
	Very well practitioners.
	Very proficient practitioners.
	So, you cite the rumor that there could be others actually pulling the strings.
	Yes, from England to the Middle East.
	Do you believe that to be true?
	I believe that to be true.
	Let me tell you something.
	I have recently shut down an avenue that I was involved with for many, many years.
	And that was infiltration of secret societies.
	And because, let's say, the voice Alright, it's a little bit too well known.
	I have now discontinued that aspect of me.
	You were infiltrating secret societies?
	I infiltrated secret societies and cults.
	Yes.
	I've done that for more than 25 years.
	Toward what end?
	To find out what they were about and to let those in the know also be aware of what they were doing and what their existence was.
	How much did you find?
	How much of that is going on?
	A lot.
	A lot.
	I mean, people imagine that, and we hear about conspiratorial groups and secret societies that pull strings and get things done, and you're saying, yes, they really are out there.
	And they really do exist.
	And they do have their rituals, and they do have their meetings, and there are times, depending on Who is sponsoring you, you may be privy to the fringe of it.
	You're right about that.
	These societies are well known for having, I mean, just sort of being built on ritual, aren't they?
	Yes, and they stem, they find their lineage, their heritage also dates back thousands upon thousands of years.
	But you said you got out of it because your voice is so well known.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	In other words, I tried to be as silent as I could.
	All right.
	But the last one, let's just say there was a lot of danger there and I had to I had to remove myself.
	Oh, I can play a cognito and I have for a long time.
	And that's why there's not many pictures of me anywhere.
	But the voice was starting to give me away.
	I had several people ask about photographs of you, and you're right, there aren't very many, are there?
	No.
	Now there can be, because like I said, I shut down that aspect.
	Sometime we'll talk about the Illuminati.
	Oh, by all means, let's do that.
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	And I am being besieged with people asking me to broach the subject of the shadow people with Evelyn.
	And this is something that, I don't know, a couple years ago or more, we stumbled on here.
	In an incredible manner, somebody called in one of the Open Line segments, I think, Evelyn, and mentioned that they could see these flitting little unknown shadowy figures, sort of in the corner of the peripheral vision, moving about.
	And you touched on them earlier in the program tonight, and I do want to touch on them.
	They surely are there.
	There's something around us and with us.
	In the shadows, and what are these things, these shadow people?
	We have a multitude of variations.
	That is why there are some people who are only getting a glimpse of a shadow out of the corner of their eye.
	Others see them full on.
	Oh yes.
	Coming right at them.
	Yes.
	There are those that have described them only as a shadowy figure, sometimes almost in human form, or cloaked.
	Others have seen them in animals.
	That's right.
	And so what we are dealing with are not only spirits and entities, but we are dealing with other dimensional beings that because the veil is being lifted and our own psychic ability and consciousness is being raised, we are able to perceive them.
	Now many experiences, there has been noted that some of these shadow people do not No, you are looking at them or are aware of them and yet there are others at the moment they realize that you are perceiving them immediately disappear.
	Exactly.
	So they are aware of your presence and that says, boy does that say a lot.
	In other words, therefore you're dealing with other dimensional beings as well as spirits and entities.
	Exactly.
	Now you can also be dealing with, and this is something that most people are unaware of, And that which I am, and that is a shadow walker.
	In other words, you can project yourself in an out-of-body type of way.
	And that can be perceived in peripheral vision.
	Somebody could see you in that state, is what you're saying.
	That is correct.
	And so that which you are perceiving may be A shadow walker like myself, another practitioner.
	But these shadows can also be many different things, no single... No single thing.
	That's why you're getting all the variations of descriptions, and that's why the response of these beings, entities, Well, one night I had a Native American on Red Oak, and as an experiment, we asked people to draw precisely what it is that they see, and all, I don't know, we came up with 30 or 40 descriptions that people had drawn and that we put on the website, and it took the man's breath away.
	I mean, he freaked out.
	That's right.
	With all the different things that people were seeing.
	He actually went through them one by one.
	Oh my God, this is so-and-so, this is so-and-so.
	And he was describing the various beings that the people were seeing.
	It was incredible.
	Listen, I want to open up the telephone lines.
	I really want to give people an opportunity to ask you questions or to interact with you.
	And I have no idea what we're about to face.
	I'm just going to open the lines and do it.
	Can I do something first?
	We did not finish the love ritual.
	I do have on my website mysticalblend.com love rituals on cassette tape and CD as well as introduction to ritual for those people who want to get a foundation and if they cannot get to a website They can call me, and may I give that number out?
	Well, look, I also know that you have, because my wife receives them, essential oils, the various accoutrements that somebody who is going to begin to practice the craft would use available, correct?
	Yes, I do.
	Yeah, alright.
	Sure, you can give a phone number, of course you can.
	My phone number is 818-407-1951.
	And for those people who would like a free brochure or catalog,
	they can write me at paglini at p-o-b-l-i-n-e.
	BOX 57932 Sherman Oaks, California 91413.
	932 Sherman Oaks, California 91413.
	You're right down there where my network is, so you've been helping them out, haven't you?
	There's magic in these hills, honey.
	In those hills? In our hills?
	Alright, that phone number was area code 818-407-1951, right?
	That is correct.
	And people who would like these products might look at your website and call that number.
	People who need your services might call that number.
	People who want to learn more might call that number.
	I don't know.
	I do a lot of consultations where I design a ritual For those people who have a situation or a problem.
	Don't we all?
	Alright, here we go.
	Let's see what we get on the lines.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I am Wiccan.
	I've been practicing for 15 years now.
	I am also a law enforcement officer in the Midwest.
	I'll say the Midwest because Dr. Evelyn, I'm sure can understand why I don't tell my colleagues.
	Even I can understand.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I use my craft in my work a lot.
	Really?
	They call it my spider senses are tingling.
	May I ask in what manner, without being specific, how would a police officer use such power in their work?
	Oh, I can see people when they're trying to hide from me.
	I have The ability to detect better when they're lying to me or if there's something else that they're really doing wrong kind of thing and also my quote-unquote spider senses have helped me to know when to look out for trouble.
	It saved my life quite a number of times.
	Wow.
	Alright, did you have a specific question for Evelyn?
	Yes.
	Originally, based on her last name, I was going to ask her if she's Stragan, but she already said that.
	She was Tuscan Stragan.
	Yes, I am a Tuscan Stragan.
	Oh, yes.
	Oh, I love you.
	And I have a family in law enforcement, and they too, like yourself, use their magic in their law enforcement capabilities.
	Well, I honestly believe that's why I'm able to even speak to you and I'm alive now.
	Anyway, my question is this.
	I am Italian as well.
	My family is from Sicily and I've been studying quite a lot of Strega.
	My question is, since I was raised Roman Catholic... So was I!
	How were you able to Uh, research your lineage as far as the craft was concerned because I can't even, I can't even mention this to anybody.
	I didn't have to research it, unfortunately, uh, for people like yourself.
	Uh, you don't have the family that is the tradition and has been using it for generations.
	And I was initiated at four years old.
	So.
	You are so lucky.
	That's why I share my knowledge and thanks to Art Bell and Coast to Coast for The last six years, that's what I've been doing.
	I've been putting out enough information that people are at least getting the edge on their future and learning how to tap into nature and the elements to help themselves, as well as their family and their friends.
	I was drawn to it.
	I mean, I had no clue.
	It's just something that I knew I had to do and I started with a book.
	And then read the next book, and next thing you know, I just knew it.
	I just knew it.
	Young lady, did all of this develop before you became a police person, or after?
	After.
	After.
	After, and now I feel like I'm a much better officer as a result.
	However, I have to hide it, and that part I really don't like that much, but, you know, I have to do it.
	I have some good books.
	Ma'am, I have some good books on my website as recommendations for the solitary practitioner.
	Okay.
	And I would suggest you go up there and look at it because it will not only reinforce that which you already have, but it will give you even a better foundation to use the tools in other aspects of your life.
	If it became known that you were practicing the craft within the police department, what do you think would happen to you?
	Oh no.
	I live in the Midwest.
	We're Bible Belt here.
	That would be it.
	I mean, people here are, well, I don't want to say everybody, but a lot of people here are behind the times.
	And I hope you don't get a deluge of people calling because, you know, I don't mean to insult anybody whatsoever, but, you know, they're not as progressive here as other places.
	Or as you might have them be.
	Alright, well, thank you so much for the call.
	Thank you.
	Take care.
	And Evelyn, why is it that so many practitioners, this may be an out of line question, totally, were raised as Catholics?
	It depends on their background, but because, just like any other culture, you can be absorbed by that which is in the power.
	Well, I mean, the Catholic Church is full of rituals, isn't it?
	Yes it is.
	Very great deal of ritual.
	And so therefore, because they also believe in the one God, there is no discrepancy.
	There is no fight.
	I don't have any problem with Catholicism and my own Geneshean religion.
	Can you imagine how much assistance, uh, the knowledge that young lady that just called, uh, is getting in her profession?
	How much assistance?
	Yeah.
	How much help, uh, the craft is to her in her profession?
	If she became very proficient at it, it would increase by 80%.
	Uh, Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	Hello.
	Oh, wait a minute.
	Push the button, dummy.
	There you go.
	Hello?
	Yes, sir.
	Hi.
	You're on the air.
	Hello, Ms.
	Pagolini?
	Yes.
	I have a question in reference to the terminology of hex.
	What is your first name?
	What is your first name, sir?
	Michael.
	Michael, yes.
	My question is related to In the word usage of hex, I understood from a person who's both a physicist and into the mystical areas, and he told me that the word hex has been misused, that it was actually a protective device, and that's been used only about 14 times since it's his knowledge.
	Uh, that the word hex is a term that's been misused and people thought it was something evil.
	Is that true?
	Remember when I had mentioned that knowledge is a double-edged sword?
	I can place a hex that is a repellent and therefore it would be a protectant agent.
	But I can also place a hex which is like the evil eye on a person and therefore I am casting a negative or a negative spell.
	The terminology can be used either or.
	Both are correct, sir.
	Okay.
	It is a tool.
	How you use the tool determines what it will do for you.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	Evelyn, what is the meaning of a pentagram?
	What is a pentagram, and when you see them, and you do see them from time to time?
	Well, it is the four cardinal points.
	It represents earth, air, fire, and water, and then spirit.
	It also represents the five physical senses, tapped by the sixth sense, or the opening of the crown chakra.
	When it is pointed up, it is the symbol of the pentacle, and in Wiccan terms, it is their symbol.
	When it is reversed, and it is two points up, That is considered, unfortunately, today's modern technology would call it the Horned God or the symbol for Satanism.
	And so when you are calling upon the dark forces, then you would use it in reverse.
	Is Satan real?
	Negative forces and evil entities most certainly are real and do exist.
	Um, would anybody be so crazy as to call on Satan?
	There are those who have, and there are those who will call on his underlings.
	There are minions that can be utilized.
	These dark forces Are very willing and able to assist you.
	There's always a catch though.
	There's always a price to pay.
	Always a catch.
	Ease of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	Hello.
	Hi Art.
	Hi.
	It's nice to hear your voice again.
	Thank you.
	Where are you?
	North Central Texas.
	Okay.
	And this is Amber.
	Okay.
	And blessed be Evelyn.
	Blessed be to you.
	The question I originally had got blown out the window when you mentioned Shadow Walkers.
	When you mentioned that I got this real strong energy surge, it was real, I guess you could say, yucky.
	So the current question is, are there, are the Shadow Walkers on the increase, on the negative side of it?
	The ability, many practitioners are not Shadow Walkers.
	It is an ability that is, let's say, reserved for Ceremonial and ritualistic or high magic.
	Okay.
	It's on the increase.
	I will answer that question.
	Okay.
	It is on the increase.
	I may be combining two things into the term shadow walker too.
	And I want to thank you for what you're saying and for implying the cautions and I will back you up on that.
	If you want to practice, learn first.
	Thank you very much.
	I appreciate that.
	Are those the words of somebody who made a mistake?
	No, not somebody who made a mistake, somebody who practices.
	I understand.
	We all make some mistakes, but I've always been very cautious all my life, even when I was not practicing.
	And what led you into practicing?
	That's a question that could get, I really, I don't know if I can phrase that.
	Well, before I was into the craft, I was a Christian.
	I had questions that couldn't be answered.
	It irritated people.
	I always listened to my instincts.
	They didn't like it.
	So, instinctually, you were pointed in this direction.
	Yes.
	I'm also part Native American.
	Why did that question set you back so far?
	I mean, what was there that you didn't tell us that you probably should have?
	Well, I ended up basically telling you what the thing was.
	When I was a Christian, I was asking questions that they didn't want people to ask.
	Like, what words in the Bible are The words that actually God gave, because it's historical fact that there are changes within the Bible that human beings have made, and their arguments go both ways on that.
	Those answers that were not provided for you, once you took up the craft, I take it you would suggest to me have been provided?
	You now know the answers to those questions?
	No.
	No?
	No, I went off in a different direction, basically.
	There was no need at that point for those questions to be answered.
	Oh, I see.
	All right.
	Thank you very much for the call, Evelyn.
	Hold on.
	We'll dive into another hour of phone calls coming up shortly.
	Dr. Evelyn Paglini is my guest.
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	Dr. Evelyn Paglini is here tonight.
	She's a witch.
	A real witch.
	I don't know if she'd use that term, but I... I'm using it.
	We'll ask her what she'd use here in a moment.
	Just stay right where you are.
	Let's be sure of a couple things.
	Let's be really sure of a couple things.
	Number one, since I don't know the ritual, did we get through all the way through the attraction ritual?
	No, we did not.
	Okay, well then let's finish it up, please.
	Okay, after they have done their half an hour to 45 minutes, they can snuff out the candle.
	And because you started out 12 inches apart, what you're going to do on that first night is you're going to move the subject Approximately two to three inches closer.
	You're going to do that every single night until one of the image candles reaches below the waist.
	Then you're going to put the two candles together.
	You're going to bind them with a red thread or with a red string, which is called a binding action.
	And then you're going to complete the ritual until both candles are completely burned.
	Half an hour to 45 minutes per night.
	and putting motion and intensity behind it
	of remember it is not
	what you are feeling it is what you want the subject to feel
	and act toward you
	and when you're all done with this as i presume we are now uh... how
	along before you can begin to see the fulfillment of your expectations
	if you have good concentration and visualization you will notice within
	48 to 72 hours the beginnings of it.
	And the more you do it, the stronger it will become.
	One ritual does not make a person move that quickly.
	You're going to know that the candles will talk to you if you listen.
	If you see that one of the flames is burning very, very low and hardly, barely burning, then you are meeting with resistance and you must put more energy and more power there.
	If it is burning hot and heavy, that means you're getting through.
	Also, the time you do the ritual, make sure that the subject is in repose.
	You do not want to try to invite yourself into their psyche during the day.
	When they are up and running and there's an awful lot of confusion going on, you want to open up your altar when they are in repose so that you can immediately get into the psyche.
	A quick change here.
	Frank N. Tampa, one of the few males, and that's something I'm going to address in a minute, says, Good evening Art and Evelyn.
	Is it possible to address the subject further of the Illuminati, please?
	Evelyn mentioned them before the break.
	Mentioned what a dangerous certain infiltrations had become and she no longer infiltrated them more please so I'll ask you for more and I'll understand if you can't give it.
	I would like to do a show sometimes on cults and groups and secret societies and the Illuminati.
	But that's obviously something that is it fair to say scared you or Let's just say that once you cannot infiltrate and do your job, then you must remove yourself and pass it on to those who are eager and disciplined and proficient at the game.
	All right.
	This may seem a silly... No, it isn't a silly question.
	I monitor, you know, the Fast Blast computer messages I get.
	I get hundreds of those.
	And the telephones, of course, I monitor.
	By a large margin, Evelyn, It's more females interested in all of this than males.
	Why?
	Well, now, I found that to be both.
	I mean, yes, the natural tendency would be for the female because of the emotion and because of being able to tap into the goddess, but quite frankly, recently, the last 10-15 years, I would have to say equal.
	Really?
	Oh, yeah.
	A lot of my clients, a lot of my students are male.
	And very good at it, I might add.
	All right.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Evelyn Paglini.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	This is Tammy from Niagara Falls.
	Niagara Falls.
	Yeah.
	The honeymoon place.
	Well, not really anymore, I don't think.
	Well, I don't know.
	I think probably a lot of candles have been burned to get there.
	Anyway.
	Well, I'm a nurse out here.
	The past few years I've been learning and believing everything happens for a reason, and I had gone to Lillydale.
	I was wondering if Evelyn has gone there?
	No, I have not.
	Did you ever hear of it?
	Yes, I have.
	Okay, well, I've been going there a few times a year.
	Well, I haven't.
	What is it?
	It's a spiritualist community, and they have a lot of mediums, but I went this year for healing and meditation teaching, and I picked up a book and I Bought a couple of them and brought them home and was reading and interested and then everything started happening for a reason.
	Like I was compelled to go in the store on my way home from work and it had everything in it that I was reading about and I was just wondering if you believe that everything does happen for a reason.
	There is no coincidence and right now what's happening to you is you are being led.
	It's like the thousand petal lotus you are about to blossom.
	Oh, I'm so glad.
	Yeah, you're on the quest.
	You're on the journey.
	It's going to be very wonderful and very exciting.
	Oh, thank you so much.
	I was also brought up Catholic, so I'm battling with that also.
	Don't battle.
	There is no division there.
	What you're going after is nature and the elements, and that has all been created by one.
	Thank you so much.
	Thank you for calling.
	Evelyn, she said, everything happens for a reason, or does everything, I guess it was a question, does everything happen for a reason?
	Yes, you said.
	If your life is headed in a certain direction and events are sending you, you can clearly see events are sending you in a certain direction, can you change that?
	Can you change the direction if you really want to?
	Yes, you can.
	So then, it's not like we're little puppets being yanked on by strings from above or wherever, and things are just going to unfold the way they're going to unfold.
	They can be affected, and that's what magic is all about.
	That is correct.
	And if you remain absent, then you are going to be like a feather blown in the wind.
	But yes, you can take control.
	You can choose, also, those opportunities and those options that are presented to you.
	That's really interesting.
	I've always had a feeling that my wife was being absolutely directed.
	I mean, really directed, more than I expressed to you here.
	Well, to the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	My name's Tammy, and I'm calling from California.
	Tammy, okay.
	I have a question, but it kind of has a little bit of a story behind it.
	Would you like me to tell you?
	Go ahead.
	I'm 26 years old and just basically cleaned my life and soul of all the negativity and abuse.
	I've been healing myself.
	When I started healing myself, I started seeing things and coming into contact with people.
	You know, being led on my inner guidance on how to become a stronger person emotionally.
	Recently, I've been studying yoga and my chakras, and I came into contact with my root chakra, which was very disgusting.
	But through meditation, I'm trying to heal it and cleanse it.
	So, my window is opening a lot, and my question is, I'm fish sitting for my neighbor and I had a key to her apartment and I put the key there and my boyfriend saw it and the key was missing for about a week.
	Last night I was walking through my bedroom door and I saw the key fall halfway down.
	It just like appeared in the air and dropped down.
	After that I noticed on my arm, on my upper bicep, I have bruises.
	that look almost like fingertips.
	I have three deep ones and two little ones.
	I can see the auras.
	This is something different and I wasn't too sure what this is.
	You may have invited in a mischievous spirit As far as the keys were concerned where they were missing and then an apport or the appearance of them but the bruises okay almost like fingerprints.
	Yeah.
	That is a spirit or an entity and normally that has to be watched very carefully because if uninvited then you must do a banishing.
	How do I do that?
	I didn't ask for anything to come in.
	I was just trying to heal myself.
	Suppose you wanted to banish something.
	How would you do that?
	Well, depending on, is she getting manifestation within the home?
	Or is it also on the outside of the home?
	My home is very active.
	I see the fairies.
	I'll come home.
	I'm a waitress and I come home from work at night.
	When the apartment's dark and I can see the little white light bouncing around the apartment because I'm scared.
	Do you have any negativity there also?
	No.
	See, my home is very positive, but my work is very negative.
	I would do a cleansing and protection on you and not one on the environment.
	If you were having things that were happening within the home, then I would have suggested that you first do a cleansing and protection of your environment, followed by a cleansing and protection of yourself.
	If you will go to my website, take a look at Psychic Self-Defense.
	Okay.
	If anything goes on within the home, honey, please understand you must cleanse the environment before you put up a shield of protection on you.
	You must cleanse and put up a shield of protection on the house.
	Can I ask you a couple of other questions?
	Do you have a few?
	Is it okay?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	If I'm at my, where I work at, it is a very active place spiritually.
	And, but there's a lot of negativity in there too.
	Rosemary oil.
	If you have problems on a problematic area, use High John the Conqueror to solve problems.
	But if it's just to remove negativity, I would use Rose Uranium, Rosemary, or Frankincense.
	Any one of those will put up a shield of protection and will Remove negativity and only bring in balance and that which is of the spirit of good.
	Okay.
	And from where I work, is that where something could attach itself to you?
	Absolutely.
	Especially while you're blossoming, while you're opening.
	Yeah.
	So not only as you're healing yourself, you have to be very careful of what's around you.
	It's like taking a shower, honey.
	Once you remove a negativity and you start to open yourself and blossom, if you If you walked outside, you'd catch a cold, so you have to towel dry and put something on.
	The removal of the negativity is one thing.
	You forgot to do the second.
	You forgot to put the shield up.
	Well, they don't tell you that, Neil.
	Put up the shield of protection immediately.
	Okay.
	Thank you so much.
	You're welcome.
	What was your website again?
	Oh, it's mysticalblend.com.
	Right?
	Yes.
	Mysticalblend.com.
	That shouldn't be too hard for you.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	Hello, Mr. Evelyn.
	Yes?
	Hello.
	Hi.
	I'm so happy that I was able to talk to you, but I wanted to mention to you that... What's your name, hon?
	My name is Mary.
	I'm from Chicago, and from everything that I've learned, uh... there's really not too much to white magic as much as
	i've learned other than teaching most of the magic that is practiced is
	gray magic gray magic
	gray there is no gray magic honey
	That's somebody that's sitting on the fence and would like you to believe that.
	I don't know who your teacher is, but that teacher certainly is out of balance.
	Well, what I found is that anything that is able to control somebody else's will Is usually gray magic.
	No, not gray.
	It is dark magic.
	I'm sorry.
	There is no gray magic.
	Well, even love magic.
	Well, I don't know.
	I think I buy that, too.
	Anything that is controlling somebody else's will, as she said, that's dark.
	When you're controlling somebody else's will, that's dark.
	Like I said, the gray, they're using the color gray because they're sitting on the fence and don't want to take responsibility.
	I mean, all of these are just words.
	This is a power, and how it's used determines, I guess, what color it is, eh?
	That is correct, and always will be.
	That's really important for people to understand, that this is all really one thing, one available thing, not necessarily one power source, but it is a one power, and it can be used either positively or negatively, with positive or negative consequences.
	Long hard line?
	Hi, good morning, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	Yes, hi.
	I was wondering, since Evelyn was talking about secret societies before, if she knew anything about Yale's Skull and Bones Club?
	Yes, I have heard of them and I hear that they can be extremely proficient, extremely cunning and extremely dangerous.
	Oh, that's what I was going to ask if they were magic users.
	I think I just answered that for you.
	Yep, you did.
	Oh, could you tell me one thing, too?
	Do you know if cats have magical powers?
	Oh, cats.
	Thank you.
	Cats have always been used.
	Why?
	Why?
	Well, first of all, they are extremely proficient and cunning.
	And because they like to do that kind of bidding, they are used so often as a familiar.
	You will see many depictions of Wiccans where they were familiar will be a cat.
	That cat loves to be able to go out and be, let's say, the observer for you.
	Through their eyes, huh?
	Well, I'll tell you something.
	I have four cats.
	We have four cats.
	I'm sure you know that.
	And once one of ours got sick and we took it to one of the best vets in the entire United States.
	I mean, this vet really knew cats.
	Saved our cat's life.
	But one of the things she said to me in an off moment when we were visiting is that the physiology of cats She said it is so different than any other mammal on the planet that she said, I'm telling you Art, they might as well be from another planet.
	I'm not kidding.
	Everything about them, although you recognize them as mammals, is so different that they might as well be from another planet.
	And that's why magically they are used so often as protectants.
	Yes.
	So they can be your eyes?
	And what else?
	And they can also be, like I had used before, the panther.
	Yes.
	The calf family especially can be used as a destroyer.
	A destroyer?
	In other words, you can send that animal out to take care of a situation or a person.
	It has been done.
	Yikes!
	In other words, there have been people who have tried to remove themselves from a group or a cult or a society.
	Yes.
	And have started to give out information about that society and its agenda.
	And they have been killed, mysteriously, by some animal that escaped from a carnival or a zoo.
	Does this account for some of your reluctance to discuss these groups?
	We have in the past, and we shall again, I have some startling information that is going to be coming out very soon.
	Are you concerned?
	You know what I'm very proud of?
	Richard Hoagland has now turned his attention on ritual.
	Oh, he's been there all along.
	Evelyn, I can tell you right now, he's been there all along, ascribing many of the ancient Egyptian ritual and belief to modern NASA.
	I mean, he'll tell you that it actually will cause them to launch and do things on certain dates.
	That's correct.
	And to the casual observer, that seems crazy, just crazy as can be.
	But it just may not be as crazy as... That's when I say that there are societies with agendas that they pack thousands of years and we are now becoming privy to that information and it is now being exposed by the likes of myself and by Mr. Hoagland and others.
	Don't you worry about your personal situation, personal danger in beginning to get into these areas?
	No.
	Maybe you ought to be.
	Hold on.
	That's Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	In the middle of the night, in the darkness, coming at you like a freight train.
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	Ever ask yourself if you believed and knew that the craft was real and true and could help you in your life?
	Love life?
	Corporate life?
	Whatever aspect of life has meaning for you, would you use it?
	Maybe once you've answered that question for yourself, you can try and decide whether you'd like to learn.
	And if so, then we've got the right person for you here tonight.
	Dr. Evelyn Paglini will be right back.
	...somebody anointing himself as Bad Boy from the Fantastic Forum.
	forum.
	San Diego, California asks Evelyn, indeed, a question that will earn him that name.
	Please ask Evelyn about Harlot the Witch.
	Ha!
	I may have touched on this with you previously, Evelyn, but God, what a question.
	I did a show with somebody who called herself a witch loosely.
	She was a Satanist.
	That's right.
	She was a Satanist.
	And during the course of that show, she said that she had done things that would ensure, brace yourself, folks, that she would take her son to hell with her.
	And that shocked and dismayed many, many people, including myself.
	And there were things attendant with that broadcast that I don't even want to go into right now.
	I had the opportunity to have the late Father Malachi Martin on after that program, and I asked him, my God, it cannot be, can it?
	There is nobody with the power.
	Is there a father to take their own son to hell with them?
	And he said, oh, I'm sorry, but it could be done.
	Do you agree with that?
	I would have to agree with it, yes sir.
	How...
	How can you have the power to take an innocent soul to hell?
	Thank you.
	This person, if I remember correctly, had a heritage and she had dedicated herself as well as her child, even though unborn and then again born, dedicated to Satan.
	Yes.
	And in exchange for whatever powers or boon that she required.
	And in so doing, she offered up the soul of her unborn child, and then rededicated that child when it was born.
	And so therefore, it is.
	It is of her issue, and so therefore it is.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	Hello.
	Did you say West of the Rockies?
	That's you, yes.
	Oh, yeah.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	This is Michael.
	I'm in Arizona.
	Hey, Michael.
	I say this tongue-in-cheek all the time.
	I'm a recovering Catholic and a born-again pagan.
	I don't know.
	I missed about an hour of the show, but this is a specific case I'd like to ask a question about.
	about uh... there's been uh...
	uh... talk about are coast has been talking about the effects of the
	detrimental effects of the we do board
	uh... how it's often letter unwanted or harmful influences into people's lives opening
	doors yes and um... there was a specific case and i hope the gal that
	asked i believe it was a gal at this question
	uh... when she was young they dabbled with the we do board uh...
	uh... i hope that the upon which you can give her uh... the answer she
	needs idea what she can do uh...
	Anyway, dabbled with the Ouija board, led an influence into the house, or into the home, or into their lives.
	Everything started going wrong.
	She's been having to deal with this for years.
	When the mother found out, when they realized that there was a problem and that it came from the Ouija board, the mother simply tore up the board and threw it away.
	Wrong.
	It's understood, I believe, that one should burn the board.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, well they didn't do that.
	The board is long gone.
	The question is how do you, evidently the door is still open, how do you close the door?
	What would be a good thing for her to do?
	All right, all right.
	Very good.
	The Ouija board.
	Yes, indeed, that opens doors.
	And, Evelyn, could something come through in an experience like that that would then be with you, unless you did something about it for the rest of your life?
	Yes, because you have opened up a portal.
	And so, therefore, not only will the premises Always have that portal open unless closed.
	But there will be spirits or entities that will go with you wherever you move to, to the end of your days, if you are not careful and do a cleansing, not only of yourself, but of your environment.
	And for that person that tore up the Ouija board, if the person was a practitioner What they could do is buy another board not using it, okay, and burn it in sacrifice so that that spirit and that portal would be closed.
	But only a practitioner could do that.
	The other way would be to do a cleansing and a protection of the environment and of themselves.
	Otherwise, it would be with them.
	Because it's affecting them not only in their home, but in their lives.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I have one really bad experience.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Paglini.
	Hello.
	Hi, I'm Patrick from Baltimore, Maryland.
	Hello, Patrick.
	Dr. Paglini, I have a question about an experience that I had when I was about seven.
	I had a babysitter named Eric who taught me a magic trick, but it was not an illusion and I wanted to ask your feedback on it.
	I'm listening.
	Excuse me?
	I said I'm listening.
	Okay, it involved two metallic Band-Aid boxes.
	One was small and one big.
	Both were empty, except we put one Band-Aid in one of the boxes and then closed both lids.
	And I'd take one in each hand and place them on a table or desk about 12 to 15 inches apart.
	And then, in cycles, start moving them closer together and further apart, back and forth about six or seven times, but without allowing them to touch each other.
	And, uh, the final time of moving them closer together, I would allow them to hit each other, and at that point, uh, we'd open the lid of the Band-Aid box where we'd put the Band-Aid, and the box was empty, and we'd open the box, uh, we'd open the lid of the other box, and the Band-Aid would be in there.
	And, uh, naturally, I was very curious to figure out how this worked, so I kept repeating the trick over and over again, and I was able to do it whether he was there or not, You're saying it's not the old shell game you were playing.
	You're saying the band-aid really moved.
	It really moved, yeah.
	Teleportation, yeah.
	Alright, so Evelyn, there's a good question.
	Magic, or what we think of as stage magic, and then magic magic.
	Is that kind of magic possible, the kind you just talked about, where there really is something that happens?
	Yeah, you can do a teleportation.
	That's not magic, it's teleportation.
	I mean, they consider it magic, but it's teleportation.
	And what you can do is mentally transfer an object from one place to another, if you have that kind of ability and power.
	And apparently this young man has the talent to do so, unless he is doing a parlor trick.
	I know.
	Okay.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	Hello.
	Hello?
	Oh, that's stupid, but now you're on there.
	Hi.
	Hello?
	Going once.
	Yes, hello, sir.
	Yeah, I have a question for Evelyn.
	All right.
	I'm a conscious flight worker.
	I have been for about three years, and I recently moved away from the area where I had my spiritual awakening, and it seems that I've lost that connection.
	I was just wondering how to get it back.
	Well, first of the synchronicities are gone.
	Well, are you into meditation and visualization?
	Oh, yes.
	Then drop down to your levels and put yourself back there, sir, and tap into that energy and that essence, and once again you will have the awakening.
	The talent resides within you, not within the space.
	Right.
	I'm a Reiki master, and I've gotten away from that.
	Are you familiar with Reiki?
	Yes, I am.
	So in other words, it's a play, it's not the place at all, and so that if he lost it when he left that other place, then he lost it because of something that he believed that wasn't necessarily true, and he just lost faith, or what?
	He shut down.
	And so what he has to do is to reconnect.
	He has to reinforce himself, re-empower himself.
	Something must have gone on in his life that has The vast majority of people in the world that are not practitioners of any sort of magic, Evelyn, what of them?
	them. That's why I asked if he was proficient in meditation.
	Drop down to his levels, go right back to that scene, to that energy, tap into it and
	open up again.
	The vast majority of people in the world that are not practitioners of any sort of magic,
	Evelyn, what of them? How are they regarded by people like yourself? Are they just people
	Are they the sheeple that are out there, or the potential targets, or just the unwashed?
	How do you think of them?
	Well, I think of them as untapped potential.
	In other words, once they are exposed to magic correctly, they can not only use it for the benefit of themselves and their family and their friends, but for mankind, for this nation.
	And so to me it's untapped potential.
	The experience of tapping into the divine and the empowerment of yourself is truly a wonderful awakening.
	Well, that's very kind.
	I would rather be called Untapped Potential.
	Alright, I want to do this for you again.
	Again, you've got the accoutrements that go with what you're hearing tonight, and you've got a website, and you've got a telephone number, and I'd sure like to be able to promote it for you.
	It's what you do, after all.
	And the telephone number, if you're interested in obtaining some of the accoutrements, or whatever, is area code 818, 407-1951.
	That's area code 818-407-1951.
	It'll help a lot if you write that down, folks.
	We don't have to answer so much email.
	There is an address, Evelyn, you want to give that again slowly?
	Yes, that is Paglini, P-A-G-L-I-N-I, at P.O.
	at P.O. Box 57932.
	Sherman Oaks, California, 911.
	And I will send them out a free catalog just to have them request it.
	Do you take on big jobs?
	Yes, I do.
	Without specifics of what you've done, what's your batting average like, Evelyn?
	85 to 90 percent.
	That's not bad at all.
	May I make a suggestion, sir?
	I'd like to give a warning out.
	You have been mentioning your book over and over again, The Coming Global Superstorm, and the last time we did a show, I had mentioned that the elements had been called into action.
	Yes.
	You are going to see an escalation of this, and I'm talking about what we have experienced with hurricanes and tornadoes.
	We're going to have volcanic uprisings, and we're going to have major earthquakes.
	The elements have been called into action, so please tell your audience, your listeners, to become prepared.
	I think that a lot of people know that instinctually, as I did prior to writing that book.
	I just knew it.
	I could feel it with every fiber of my body.
	I knew what was coming, and I still do.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	Hi.
	Art Bell.
	Yes.
	Spike Mike, also from the Fantastic Forum with you.
	How are you doing, buddy?
	Oh, pretty good.
	Evelyn, good morning.
	Good morning.
	Art mentioned earlier in the show that you had set a precedent in a Texas court.
	And I was wondering, well first I'd like to say, if you've set a precedent in Texas, you've moved mountains.
	That's what the judge told me.
	I was wondering about the particulars of that case.
	It was a child abuse case with ritual overtones.
	I see.
	And I was called in as an authority on what this particular sect was doing with these children as they were passing them around and as they were dedicating them Two specific deities.
	And from this, I was able to remove that child from that influence.
	I see it.
	How many times have you done this before?
	That was the one big case.
	I have certainly consulted on many others, but this one was tremendous only because of the money behind it.
	Oh, no, ma'am.
	I meant, how many children have you removed before?
	Oh, from other places like that?
	Yes.
	Several.
	Wow.
	Well, you're doing good work doing that, then.
	To even imagine this is going on is... I'll look at the breeding farms that are going on out there.
	We did a show a long time ago, do you remember?
	I do.
	And you had people who called in who had been abused and had given birth?
	I know.
	I know.
	I remember.
	It seems beyond the pale, beyond all reason, Evelyn.
	It's very difficult to wrap your mind around that kind of horror.
	But then you hear from these people, and I don't know what else you're going to believe.
	They backed it up all the way.
	So, yes.
	Let's see if we can take one more.
	First time caller on the line.
	Hello, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Peglini.
	Yeah, I was just wondering if you could do a love spell on someone you've never met before?
	Do a love spell?
	Yeah.
	On somebody you've never met?
	No, that's called an attraction ritual.
	In other words, what you want to do is call in a person that is going to meet, let's say, the criteria to have the attributes that you desire.
	So you put out a general call for a female with those attributes.
	After the poor, lonely J-Lo, are you?
	That was a joke, sir.
	Sorry.
	No, I'm serious.
	I was wondering, like a celebrity or something.
	No, you don't have to go after a celebrity.
	You go after not a person in particular, but the person that has the general attributes that you desire, sir.
	You know, there's a pretty interesting question, though.
	A lot of people would go after celebrities just because...
	I don't know, because they're exposed to them, because they see them, because they develop crushes on them, or for whatever reason, you know, out of sight, out of mind, but suddenly, inside, on TV, in a movie, on the big screen, and all of that, I would think celebrities would be the target of an awful lot of these attraction-type things, aren't they?
	They can be, and have been, yes.
	And there are some who are proficient enough to worm their way into their influence and into their environment.
	Really?
	Very much so.
	But the poor celebrity is completely unaware.
	Yeah.
	So doesn't that virtually tear them from limb to limb psychically?
	On the person's agenda that's going after them, what is their reason for being there?
	In other words, aren't they so much more exposed than the average person that they would need additional protection?
	Absolutely.
	Magic!
	Well, any final words for the potentials out there, Evelyn?
	That for the average person, don't fear it.
	Get acquainted with it.
	Use it.
	Stay in balance.
	It will improve your life.
	It will open up so many doors and it will raise your spiritual awakening.
	And make you a better person, and it really can do material things for you as well.
	It can enrich you, or send you down the road to fame, or whatever it is you, I guess, desire, huh?
	You can bring into the physical plane of existence that which you desire, but remember, all power has a price to be paid.
	She says that right at the end of the program.
	All power has a price to be paid.
	And is that your price to pay, or is it sometimes the price of others?
	It goes both ways, but ultimately it will reside with you.
	Ultimately?
	So in other words, you better be careful what you wish for, or meditate on, or try to bring to yourself, because it will have a price of one sort or another, huh?
	That is correct, always.
	Okay.
	Well, on the first weekend back, I want to thank you for being here, Evelyn.
	Always an absolute pleasure.
	A little scary sometimes, but a total pleasure having you here.
	Well, thank you for asking me.
	Take care.
	Take care.
	Good night.
	Good night.
	All right.
	Well, there you have it, folks.
	That's a real witch.
	And I know that some of you will go, right?
	Oh, come on.
	Give me a break.
	No, it's not.
	There is no such thing as a real witch.
	Well, If you are comfortable in believing that, then so be it.
	However, I can assure you what you just heard was the real McCoy.
	I think we'll let Crystal take us out this weekend.
	It's been a good one.
	From the high deserts, good night.
	Midnight in the desert, shooting stars across the sky.
	you you
	This magical journey will take us on a ride.
	Filled with the longing, searching for the truth.
	Will we make it till tomorrow?
	Will the stars shine on you?
	Midnight in the desert, and we're listening.

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