Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeath of the Ghost Investigators Society (GIS) present chilling digital EVPs—including a funeral director’s home, where a child’s voice ("I see, good, good" or "Oliver") and a man in blue flannel appear without physical presence, despite skepticism over tampering. Their research, using new RCA hard drives and multiple devices (e.g., Wyoming cemeteries, Idaho schoolhouses), suggests consciousness lingers post-death, retaining emotions and possibly distorted time perception. A caller’s biblical "age of accountability" theory hints at trapped souls, while Susie from San Diego shares a Mexican cultural belief in unresolved spirits, linking her son’s ghostly visions to parental attachment. Ultimately, the episode blurs science and spirituality, proposing that EVPs may reveal lingering, unprocessed human experiences beyond conventional explanations. [Automatically generated summary]
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Good evening.
Good morning, good afternoon, whatever time of day it is, wherever you are in the world, which we cover quite handily with a program called Post to Post AM.
It's Friday night in the morning.
I'm going to try and find in open minds as quickly as I can in this first and more weeks coming.
I will have open mind shows on Friday.
As we move toward Halloween for a ghost show.
Let's look around the world very quickly.
The Associate President, 13 days before the September 11 attacks, a frustrated FBI agent warned headquarters that quote some day someone will die and quote after he was denied permission to pursue a man who would become one of the hijackers.
A congressional panel was told Friday that the agent's efforts were among many missed opportunities to stop two of the hijackers after they were spotted attending an al-Qaeda meeting in Malaysia in January of 2000.
Oh my.
Israel is tightening its siege on Yasser Arafat.
They're doing all kinds of things, using tanks to destroy a stairwell in the compound, digging a deep trench, running coils of barbed wire around his offices.
Of course, he's got big guns pointed at him.
So you would think that Yasser would eventually get the message.
Maybe.
President Bush appealed Friday to a reluctant Russian President Vladimir Putin to please back a new UN Security Council resolution threatening war with Iraq if it doesn't destroy its weapons stockpiles.
But despite a basic ally and warm relationship and cooperation against terrorism and all the rest of it, Russia held to its view that the threat should be deferred at least until the UN weapons inspectors take up President Saddam Hussein's offer to resume the searches after nearly four years.
You know, they probably got them now at the bottom of a thousand-foot mine, right?
It was pretty horrible.
I'm sure a lot of you saw it on CNN during the day.
A woman wanted in the videotape beating of her four-year-old daughter.
They caught it on videotape outside a department store.
They're hoping she'll turn herself in to authorities.
It was an incredible piece of video, and she put the child in the back.
Everybody's, of course, worried about the child, but I mean, she just beat the hell out of that child on videotape.
And it went on for some time.
It was actually kind of hard to watch.
Hurricane Isidore pounded Cuba's sparsely populated western end with heavy rains, winds more than 100 miles an hour Friday, as it makes its way toward the Gulf of Mexico.
This will be bad, prompting the evacuation of offshore oil rigs.
Hopefully it goes south.
Not that I would wish anything bad on our Central or South American neighbors, but this looks like one of those that you don't want to get into the warm Gulf and head up toward Texas, Louisiana, that kind of thing.
They are looking for 12-foot tides, by the way.
Governor Paul Patton on Friday tearfully admitted to a, quote, inappropriate personal relationship, end quote, with a woman who is suing him for sexual harassment, but denied her charges, said that he charges rather that he used his influence to target her business after she ended the relationship.
He said, quote, I have now apologized to the people of Kentucky and asked for your forgiveness.
The married governor said, quote, I do believe that now I'm on the right path, end quote.
Now, what I've got here, I'm going to let you be the judge of this.
It's in the journal Nature.
You know, very well-respected Nature.
And the headline is, electrodes trigger OBEs, out-of-body experience.
This is a very interesting story, and I wonder how you all will react to it.
Activity in one region of our brain could explain OBEs.
Researchers in Switzerland have triggered the phenomena using electrodes.
People describe out-of-body experiences as feeling that their consciousness becomes detached from their bodies, often floating above it.
Because these lucid states are popularly linked to the paranormal, a lot of people are reluctant to talk about them.
That's according to Olaf Blanck of the Geneva University Hospital.
He said that he found that electrically stimulating one brain region, the right angular gyrus, G-Y-R-U-S-S, repeatedly triggers out-of-body experiences.
Blank and his team were using electrodes to excite the brain of a woman being treated for epilepsy.
The right angular gyrus integrates visual information, the sight of your body, in other words, information that creates the mind's representation of your body.
This is based on balance and feedback from your limbs about their position and space.
It makes perfect sense, agrees Peter Brueger of University Hospital Zurich in Switzerland, who studies the phenomena.
We have representations of our entire body that can be disassociated from our real body, says he.
But this is an isolated case, he points out.
With gentle stimulation, the woman, who could speak during the operation, felt that she was falling or growing lighter.
As the intensity increased, she told them, I see myself lying in bed from above.
When asked to look at her raised arm, she thought it was coming to punch her.
The observation suggests that alien hand syndrome, when people feel that a limb is foreign or phantom limbs that people can feel after amputations, could be related to OBEs.
Quote, Out-of-body experiences are incredibly common, says clinical neurologist John Marshall of the Radcliffe Infirmary in Oxford, UK.
Some are part of near-death experiences.
Some believe the events have religious or spiritual causes, or that a person really leaves their physical body behind.
They may, for example, interpret them as evidence that the physical and spiritual body can separate again after death.
The new experiments cannot disprove such ideas, says Marshall.
It doesn't show that people with paranormal beliefs are wrong.
It simply demonstrates one way that the experience can be stimulated.
Nevertheless, I think it would give great comfort to patients who, he says, frequently question their own sanity.
Thrill seekers are going to be hard-pushed to artificially create their own OBEs, adds Brueger, because you see you can't stimulate that precisely without opening up the skull.
So in other words, if you want to give that a try at home and you don't use a traditional method for stimulating an OBE, you're going to have to take a big slice out of your head and put some electrodes in, that sort of thing.
And I rather doubt that's a try it at home kind of deal.
Now, I received this just a little while ago, tonight.
And you know me and ghost stories, right?
But this one, oh, man.
Short and sweet.
Dear Art, last week my wife went to her beauty shop and talked to a lady that she sees there from time to time.
My wife asked how things were, you know, small talk, and the lady related the following.
About six weeks ago, her father died of a stroke.
Her mom was devastated, and she died three weeks later.
That frequently happens, people in love, doesn't it?
Both were cremated, and the lady and her sons decided to take those ashes to another state for internment.
Both urns were packed in a box, and she took them as carry-on luggage.
The x-ray examiner asked what the contents were, and she said, my parents' ashes.
So the box went into the x-ray machine, and the operator asked, what else was in the box?
The operator said, there is a photograph in the box, and asked the lady to look at the screen.
On that scope was the image of her dad's face.
Well, the lady became hysterical.
Her sons rushed over and they also saw the image, as did about five other people, including the examiner's supervisor.
Easily the most bizarre story I've ever heard.
From Lloyd Clouton, San Diego, California.
Oh, my God.
Can you imagine that?
That would do you in, all right.
I mean, there you are with your parents' ashes going through the x-ray machine, and they ask you what they are.
They always do, of course, and you tell them, and they look inside, and inside an urn.
But there's no photograph.
There's just an image showing up on that screen.
Well, there wasn't any little wire down tickling anybody's part of the brain for that one.
Drudge, of course, this week saying that Russia would seem to be missing a couple of hundred nuclear warheads.
200.
200.
In other words, of 2,400 nuclear warheads that were on Ukrainian territory, only 2,200, of 2,400, only 2,200 still are there.
That means 200 nuclear warheads appear to be missing.
Now, if you were to hazard a guess about where those 200 nuclear warheads might be, what would you think?
I think any of them might be here.
IBM said Wednesday it sold the U.S. Air Force a supercomputer to help it identify unidentified flying objects.
Air Force's space surveillance team based in Maui, Hawaii, is going to use the supercomputer to hunt outer space for old satellites, foreign spacecraft, and other UFOs that may be hurtling toward Earth.
According to IBM, the IBM system will be used to detect and identify some 9,000 objects currently flying around in Earth's orbit.
9,000 objects.
9,000 things flying around up there.
And then I suppose if the IBM computer suddenly detects 9,001, it says, what's that?
The blue screen of notification, huh?
Does the statement, we've always done it that way, ring any bells for you, folks?
The North American Standard Railroad Gauge, in other words, distance between the rails, is 4 feet, 8.5 inches.
That's an odd number.
And a lot of people have wondered why that gauge was used.
Now, listen to me.
No, it's not a metric conversion because that's the way they built them in England.
And English expatriates built the U.S. railroads.
Now, why did the English build them like that?
Well, because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and then that's the gauge.
That's the gauge they used.
Why did they use the gauge then?
Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing.
Okay, why did the wagons have that particular odd spacing?
Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels Would break on some of the old long roads in England, and that's because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts.
So, who built those old rutted roads?
Imperial Rome built the first long-distance roads in Europe, and England for their legions.
The roads have been used ever since.
And the ruts in the road?
Well, Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels.
Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing.
The North American standard railroad gauge of 4 feet 8.5 inches is in fact derived from the original specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot.
And bureaucracies live forever, as we all know.
So the next time you're handed a specification and wonder what horse's ass came up with it, you may be exactly right, you see, because the Imperial Roman war chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two war horses.
Now the twist of the story.
When you see a space shuttle sitting on its launch pad in all its glory, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of that main fuel tank.
These are solid rocket boosters or SRBs, right?
The SRBs are made by Pyacol at their factory in Utah.
The engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred to have made them a bit larger, but the SRBs, you see, had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site, right?
The railroad line from the factory happens to run through a tunnel in the mountains.
The SRBs had to fit through the tunnel.
The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track.
And the railroad track, as you now know, is about as wide as two horses behind.
So a major space shuttle design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was determined over 2,000 years ago by the width of a horse's ass.
And you may have thought being a horse's ass was not important.
It's just one of those things that you make note of, I guess.
The first thing I wanted to make a comment about the Egyptian program and how much any comparison has been done to the pyramids in Central and South America.
Now, the first comment I just wanted to make was I know you've had guests who've talked about like the mines and that they've worked with the pyramids.
They make reference to them with the precise measurements and everything.
And they made me reference how much the Egyptians that they might have compared with the precise construction to line up so precisely with stars and whatever else.
and i think maybe one or two of you guess that much when they've talked with central south america has any crosstalk ever been made to say You know, that's always amazed me, and that is that during the time that we're talking about right now, and there really does need to be a lot more attention to be paid to all of this.
During the time that we're talking about, there wasn't exactly the internet.
There wasn't even exactly airliners.
There weren't even exactly ships that went across the sea to carry a message from hither to yon.
There was nothing.
There was no way that one continent communicated with another continent.
And yet, we see the building of the similar measurements and building in pyramids all over the world.
Now, I know we all saw Zahi Wass the other night say, and they made the point again and again, as Zahi always does, that the Egyptians built the pyramids.
Maybe they did.
But what about all the other pyramids?
Did the Egyptians build the same stuff the Mayans did?
How did the Mayans figure out what the Egyptians did?
I mean, did they have plans sent by FedEx or something?
These are all things to wonder about, and it's not just the Mayans, it's all over the world that we see these pyramids.
Well, Ernt Zundel is a Canadian, and he wrote two books, one of them called UFO's Nazi Secret Weapon, and another called Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions.
Hitler was some sort of a being from beyond, not a real human.
Well, it wasn't a lot of humanity in Hitler.
unidentified
Well, it wasn't a lot of humanity in Hitler.
Now you step inside, but you don't see too many things.
You're coming in.
You're coming in.
Time, time, time.
See what's become of me.
Time, time, time to see what's become of me.
While I looked around, all my possibilities.
I was so hard to please.
The ground, leaves the ground, even the sky.
It's a hazy shade of winter.
It was damnation on the ground.
Down by countryside, it's bound to be a better island.
And what you've got planned, carry your cup in your hand.
The ground, leaves the ground, and the sky.
It's a hazy shade of winter.
Hang on to your hopes, my friend.
That's an easy thing to say, but if your hopes are done, Pass away and simply pretend That you can build them again Look around, right side, feels right It's the springtime of my life To rechart bell in the Kingdom of Nye, from west of the Rockies, dial 1-800-618-8255.
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You know, you expect to see this lady in black tights come down, you know, talk to the dead.
Five cents a minute.
But the reason I think the GIS, at least for me, the reason the GIS shows are particularly impactful and frightening, it's because they have such tight controls on what they do.
It's because they don't make any money.
They don't sell books.
They don't sell anything on the air.
They just do this.
And that really freaks me out.
I mean, you might imagine if they had some stake in all of this, other than just gathering the information, then you could say, aha!
Now, that's, you know, coming up at the top of the hour, GIS, Ghost Investigators Society.
I think that's what it stands for, right?
EVP.
Ghost Investigators Society, indeed.
And EVP electronic voice phenomena.
And, you know, I've looked at this every way from Sunday, and that's why we keep having these people back, because you can't find any holes in it.
I mean, they use brand new tapes, brand new recorders, and these voices are coming from where?
Nowhere.
They're coming from nowhere.
They're coming across.
And here, once again, we have no electrodes attached to anybody's brain.
This is phenomena that we can actually listen to and hear now in real time.
It really does seem to be interactive, which would indicate that there is an interactive entity sending the message over on what we, for lack of a better term, call the other side.
And see, the reason why I was looking for an old movie, Bigfoot movie, one time, and I got, you know, through your show, I've got to Robert Morgan's website, and I got to where I'm pretty good friends with him.
You know, like I said, there's just been so much happening, you know, with it looks like we are going to hit Iraq and all that kind of stuff.
But it was kind of scary today whenever they arrested this guy up in Greensboro, there's a taxi cab driver who was planning, I think they said, to fly a plane into the White House.
That's right.
And, you know, I know that there are some Arab people, you know, I'm friends with some people that are Pakistani people.
I mean, all of a sudden, you know, we're starting to find out they may be all around us.
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, you know, you don't, because there are some people from over there, you know, Muslims, I guess, that are, you know, try to work hard and don't bother anybody.
But when stuff like this happens, you get so mad and fed up, you feel like, you know, deporting all of them.
But, you know, in America, we've got to resist that temptation.
And I know it's really a big temptation.
I know it's really a big temptation.
You know, deport them all, get them the hell out of here.
But the trouble with that is that then you stop becoming, then you're not America.
In other words, then they have successfully robbed you of that which you stand for.
The poor, the huddled masses being welcomed, all the rest of that.
In other words, they have managed to change who we are.
And so it's always a balance.
You're going to have a real tough time with it.
And I know there's that sentiment out there, but I think it has to be resisted, and we have to find a way to destroy these people without changing and destroying who we are.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, it's Phil Collins.
A couple of weeks ago, or a couple days ago, you guys had an episode with Mirror Magic.
I think that the mirror is powerful in that regard, as are probably other props like Ouija boards and all the rest.
But mainly, I think it's your intent.
It's your intent.
In other words, if you put yourself in a state of mind, then I don't think it would matter whether it was a mirror, Ouija board, reflection in a pond, the pen or the desk in front of you or whatever, if it became your intent to use any material object as an aid to open doors, then you might imagine that those doors might open.
And you also might imagine that something might walk through that might displease you highly.
So I think it has more to do with intent than it does specific objects.
But mirrors, in that regard, mirrors are very good.
Apparently very good.
It still kind of freaks me out.
I tried to take this infinity picture with my webcam and I couldn't do it.
I think if I had one large mirror in here, I could do it.
It was so fascinating.
I had this wonderful picture.
I snapped it and I didn't get anything.
All I got was a picture of the program that took the picture.
Now, I have always marveled at, you know, when you watch CNN, who is it that gets sent by CNN to be the guy who gets to go down and be in the eye of the hurricane as it passes over?
You know, holding on to a pole for dear life as the cameraman holds on for dear life, trying to take a picture of the guy holding on to the pole for dear life.
I wonder if they have like an office, you know, like a drawing or something, you know?
I just thought if we sent our troops over rather than attack them in the streets, because you know they're going to put their military sites where the civilians are, just encircle their country with troops and let them sit there until they start.
You know, if we actually have to do what the president appears to want to do, it's going to be horrible.
Because what Saddam Hussein will do will be to put a substantial portion of his army in Baghdad, and it'll be house-to-house warfare.
And you all may remember what happened in Somalia.
I mean, that's tough stuff.
Really tough stuff.
When you've got snipers and you've got an urban area and, you know, there's everywhere to hide, and you don't know who the enemy is, and you don't know who the poor civilians are.
When they opened the tomb and got through that first door and put the hammer through, and then we saw what looked like maybe another door with the crack marks and everything.
But I definitely noticed on the right-hand side of the screen on the bottom, there was definitely a black line running up to that wall where supposedly nothing had been yet already.
But the proof was when he showed those places where they supposedly slept in the city, they showed all those guys laying there in these little narrow strips right out in the open, you know, one right after the other.
And I said, well, gee, I don't think they do that to their own people.
Well, I had one guest the other night who suggested that perhaps it was a handle that broke off in some previous attempt.
I just, you know, I found it extremely strange that if it was something like that, after Zahi had said, boy, you know, I wouldn't go one more inch if there was any damage to anything.
unidentified
Oh, I'm talking about the door that was behind the door.
Well, I mean, it is a little odd, as I pointed out.
There wasn't telegraph, there weren't radios, there wasn't transportation, there wasn't FedEx or UPS or anything else.
How could we have ended up with pyramids all around the world?
How?
unidentified
Well, they figured the ones over in Asia was from the Egyptians, and they said that somehow the trade route, or some sort of trade route, that it got down into Central America from the pyramid that's in St. Louis.
Well, you know, I think that's what some people believe, that there had to have been some sort of global information exchange that we can't even imagine today.
Although, you know, there is one other possibility, sir.
And everybody, think about this for a second.
Remember the New York State lotto, PIC 3911?
Could it be that mass consciousness was as effective or even more effective then than it is now?
unidentified
Yeah, what is it coming for?
Absolutely nothing.
Uh-huh.
War.
Yeah, what is it coming for?
Absolutely nothing.
Say it again, y'all.
War.
Who?
Yeah.
What is it coming for?
Absolutely nothing.
Listen to me.
War.
I despise.
Cause it means destruction of his life.
War means tears.
If I was above the line.
When their sons go to fight.
And lose their lives.
I said war.
Good God, y'all.
What is it coming for?
Absolutely nothing.
Say it again.
Falling down the spiral, destination alone.
Fellow God's messenger, all alone.
Can't get no connection, can't get through.
Where are you?
Well the night with heavy honour is guilty men.
Let's fall from the bottom.
The man comes, he knows damn well he has been cheated.
Have you seen him?
Am I stepping into the twilight zone?
This is the madhouse, it feels like we've gone.
My beat does get moved, I'm the moon and star.
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far?
Am I stepping into the twilight zone?
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far?
You were young to go when the bullet hits the bone.
So you were young to go when the bullet hits the bone.
When the bullet hits the bone.
So you were young to go when the bullet hits the bone.
When the bullet hits the bone.
When the bullet hits the bone.
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And we're about to talk with the GIS, and I warn you, what you're about to hear is pretty scary stuff.
So if you're out there trucking along on the highway in the middle of the night, you might, well, want to consider whether you might want to go to listen to country and western music for a little while or something else, because this is, I guarantee, pretty creepy stuff.
Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth are both members of what's called the Ghost Investigators Society, GIS for short.
The Ghost Investigators Society is a non-profit organization dedicated to the investigation of ghosts.
Not only do they conduct investigations, but also instruct, assist, and educate anybody who believes they may be experiencing ghostly phenomena, or those who are just simply curious.
So how about you cats out there?
In an effort to educate the public about ghosts, the GIS hopes the EVPs or electronic voice phenomena that are going to be presented tonight will help demonstrate that the consciousness that we all know we have does survive after the body dies and that these voices may help to give a different perspective about life, death, and ghosts.
Once again, I want to specify at the beginning of the program that the reason that I keep Having these two back again is because it is the GIS is a non-profit organization.
They don't sell stuff.
They don't sell books.
They don't sell anything.
They don't profit.
They just go out and they record electronic voice phenomena, which is, by the way, not a new phenomena.
It goes way back.
It's time to welcome Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth, both GIS members.
Actually, to about the 50s, Edison and Marconi both were working on some kind of machine that runs along the same lines as EVP.
It really has been around since the 50s.
Some of the earliest people that reported recording voices were there was two monks that were recording Gregorian chants and reported picking up voices while they were recording them.
What you have would seem to go an awful long way toward proving that.
I read an article.
I don't know if you happen to hear the first hour of the show or not, but I read an article about some scientists who are opening up people's brains and putting electrodes in and causing them to have OBEs.
They're saying, well, I guess the suggestion is, even though they backed away from it a little bit, that, you know, it's just a phenomena of our own brains, that it's not something external, that there is no transference of energy that is whatever we are, you know, our soul, to another plane that continues to exist, that is probably all just bunk.
Now, that really does lay down some pretty heavy proof, in my opinion, on the side of we do survive death or something of us does survive death of consciousness, obviously.
And particularly if there's contemporary interactive information, it's got to be.
So that's why I continue to pursue this.
Now, tell everybody how you do this.
In other words, you take recorders, well, standard cassette recorders for the most part, right?
Inevitably, somebody will suggest, well, then if clarity is what you want, then why not go to mini-discs or something of that order?
You still got a microphone, but as we have discussed in the past, folks, the way voices are imprinted on tape is electromagnetic.
In other words, it passes over a tape head that makes an electromagnetic imprint on the tape.
And I guess the suggestion is that ghosts are able to, or entities are able to operate in an electromagnetic, or to emit electromagnetic impulses or energy, and that that way they're able to do it onto tape and not so easily to, say, a mini CD or something like that.
And we are, I mean, and you'll see from the results, these first nine that we're going to play, and there's also scattered throughout the rest of the voices.
There are some other digital recordings as well.
But just from the sheer amount of results that we got from this and the clarity of them, we are definitely going to pursue this more.
I mean, we're about to hear, obviously, the difference, but in terms of quality and being able to dig the audio from the noise for something that we can air here, how much difference is there?
But yeah, I believe there's a vast amount of difference just because there is no tape hiss and there's no, I mean, the voices are so much more lifelike.
In fact, we ran into the problem hoping that nobody would think these are fake because some of the voices sound so clear, like they're actually there.
He has visually seen a small child and also a man in the house.
And in fact, his wife came home from work this past week and she thought that there was an intruder in the house.
She grabbed her purse and cell phone and called him at work.
He immediately left, called the police, said that there was an intruder in the home because she heard boxes being slid across the floor.
And so they thought, you know, for sure that there was somebody that had broken into the home.
And the police arrived at the same time he arrived home and they went in and searched the premises and there was nothing bothered or no sign of forced entry anywhere or anything.
But this first voice you're going to hear is you're going to hear Brendan say, will you talk with me?
And there's a child's voice that responds and it says either father or others.
And actually, I think you'll see that farther down the line as we play more of these voices from this house, that this child is almost longing for parents, maybe.
Boy, that brings us right back to that place we always get to in this program.
Yes.
That is that, you know, we all try and imagine what happens to us when we pass on.
And there are terrible tragedies where children pass on, of course, you know, at a very young age.
And if what you all pick up on these tapes is real and it's the truth, then that would seem to indicate, it would seem to indicate That on the other side, you are what you are when you pass.
If you are a child, you are a child.
If you are a grumpy old man, then you're a grumpy old man on the other side.
And that just doesn't fit in with a lot of people's image of what heaven would be.
Your personality and your likes and your dislikes are still going to be, if it's a mental state that you're in and the consciousness survives, you are still going to be the same type of person you were when you were alive.
In a very frightened child's voice, that just doesn't exactly alleviate the fear of dying for many, including me.
I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
Riders of the Star.
Riders of the Star.
unidentified
Into this house we're born.
into this world Be it sight, sand, smell, or touch, the something inside that we need so much.
The sight of the touch, or the scent of the sand, or the strength of an oak roots deep in the ground.
The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing, to lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing, to have all these things in our memory's home, and they use them to come to us to find.
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I was thinking CDs and CD in a laser-burning CD, right?
A little different process.
But with a hard drive, you're still in the electromagnetic arena, but you are in the digital arena as well, which means that you get clarity, but it's still electromagnetic.
Duh should have hit me.
You know, it really should have hit me the moment I started talking about it.
A hard drive is electromagnetic.
Unlike a CD, I was somehow stuck on mini CDs and that sort of thing, which are burned with lasers.
So this is really still in the electromagnetic realm.
And a lot of it, and you'll hear this in the recordings, seems to be the kid.
I mean, you'll hear the kid.
They've seen the kid.
We've seen the kid being there.
When we first pulled up into the driveway, the first night we went and conducted a preliminary investigation, the two owners of the house were sitting out on the driveway, and they wouldn't even go in their house.
And as soon as we pulled in, we saw they had, it's like a three-story home, no, a two-story home.
And up on the second story, there's two sets of windows.
And we had just pulled in, and I looked up and saw something walk across the window.
It was almost like a shadow.
And I immediately asked the owner, is anybody inside the house?
And he said, no, no one's inside the house.
We're sitting out here waiting for you.
And I asked, well, is there a ceiling fan maybe that was spinning around that might have caused that shadow?
And he said, no, there's no ceiling fan in that room.
So, and I think all of us saw it.
All four members of the GIS that were there and the two Owners of the house all saw this in the window.
Well, yes, I still, every time we record any children's voices, I almost expect now to always get children's voices for as many times as we have, but I still cannot understand why there are so many.
I believe that because of people having been pronounced clinically dead and being brought back and revived, people that have experienced that have said that they did not realize that they were dead until they saw their body.
It was just like walking from one room to another.
And there was no concept of being dead until they actually saw their physical body lying there.
Well, it's a big leap for the GIS to be moving into this, obviously, and for the program here, because the clarity is just, I mean, it's absolutely astounding.
And what we'll do is a few voices down here, voice number eight, we'll get into that a little bit more because it kind of goes along with the story of the voice.
I mean, you know, it would be bad enough to think that you're haunted to the degree you'd pick up a phone and call somebody like GIS, but then to hear what GIS records in your home, that would be over the top, totally.
I mean, if you lived in that home, it's easy enough to sit out here in the audience and, you know, rationalize this away.
But if you were the guy who had called you and then you heard this, and I presume you've played all these for him, right?
So then what is the implication here that those who attend the dying, or no, excuse me, the dead, within a very short period of time of that death may have something attached to them?
Well, you know, I do this kind of material, and I've done it for years and years and years, and every now and then, there's something that's too much for me.
Once upon a time, when you were nine, that last EVP is haunting me, and I'm not exactly sure why.
I think it has to do with the obvious intonation, and it's clear enough, you know, that you can hear that child voice pause in between words, meditate almost, and then add an intonation that makes it so unbearably dramatic if you listen very closely.
And, you know, the man of the house says, here, buddy, as though he's talking to a child and just listen.
I mean, I definitely, from the second we got our first voice with the digital recorder, I mean, I could tell automatically how much clearer it was and how much easier it was going to make it for us to hopefully understand what's being said.
Do you think that it will bring with it any criticisms of, I don't know, more easily tampered with, for example, since it's in digital format when it's on a hard drive?
I mean, if somebody thinks you're full of it and they would like to take the trouble not just to express that emotion with some terry email they tear off or whatever, but rather go out and try it for themselves, they can do that, can't they?
In other words, there's nothing you all are pretty good at it because you've been doing it a long time, but somebody can go out and duplicate your results, right?
Well, other than the child's voice that still haunts me, it says it's cold and dark in here, whatever it was that child said, what have you two learned about what it is like on the other side?
And what we're talking about here, folks, is you could have a recorder where you'd have a record head, and then you'd have a playback head active, and you would actually hear in real-time what was being said to you rather than having to take the recorder or the hard drive back and play it back and pick all of this out hours later.
You'd have the ability to be truly interactive with the entity because you'd hear the entity voice within a second or two or three or four of when it was said.
So you could then respond and start to become interactive.
That was the concept that I gave you all.
Somebody provided you with some kind of machine, right?
Well, this one, I was in the basement with the homeowner again, and you'll hear the voice, it's the child's voice again at the very beginning of the clip, and you hear the child say, you, daddy.
And then next, you will hear the homeowner say, now you've been recording for the voices.
And he's talking to me.
He's asking, so you've been recording for the voices.
That would imply, I wonder what, you, daddy, that the child thinks of this man as dad or that the child might be communicating with, in fact, its father.
But it also may explain some of the attachment that this child has to the homeowner.
You know, it may explain why the child has followed him to his house, because I honestly believe it was at one of the funeral homes that this man has visited.
Well, if it is a child, and this child is trapped in this plane, and this child is trapped with a funeral home director, what steps does the GIS take, or do you ever take, or have you thought of taking?
I mean, this is so sad in some ways that you want this child to move on rather than being trapped in this plane, if that's the case.
Have you ever called anybody?
I mean, I don't know, gee, a priest or somebody to try and assist this spirit of this child to move on?
No, but there have been occasions when we have told them that they don't have to stay here.
There was an occasion at one old torn-down, well run-down theater that's been torn down since, that had a lot of ghost activity in it, a lot of children's voices we recorded, some that we've played on your shows.
And there was one particular night I told them that they do not have to stay here.
There's no reason for them to be in this building.
This is the second time I look at the mirror, and I swear I see a kid run behind me in the kitchen, directly behind me.
Now, the interesting thing is, the kitchen has no doors whatsoever.
And the second I saw it, I knew something wasn't right.
I mean, I tried so hard to rationalize this, but I couldn't.
And the other thing that bothered me is, you know, it happened pretty quick, but I realized when I looked at the kid, I only saw him probably from the shoulders up because he was so small, that his neck was on sideways.
All right, so here's the wife of this poor man who's had this fellow him home participating, asking, I guess, on behalf of the GIS, what's your mom and dad's name?
It also, I don't know if you noticed, but at the beginning, before she starts to ask the question, it sounded like that child's voice at the beginning.
Right at the beginning when she started to ask the question.
Well, you know, maybe these entities really do like.
You know, I mean, off in that other on the other side, obviously they're not noticed or, you know, even imagined frequently to be present by the living.
Me and GIS member Barry were walking around in a cemetery in Wyoming, and I had made a comment that a lot of the headstones we were passing were Mason headstones.
When you get back, of course you don't hear that at the moment it's said, but when you get back to the GIS office, wherever that is, and you sit down and you have dredged this up, particularly in that tone of voice, do you make it a policy not to go back to that delay?
See, where there's a big full moon, and like I was describing to some call earlier, you know, a mist that covers about half the headstone so thick you can't even see your feet, right?
All right, well, this one was recorded at the same school, and you're going to hear a child's voice at the very beginning, and we're not sure what the child's saying.
And then you're going to hear a man named Chris say, I think that house probably should have, and then he kind of drowns out, and I didn't even transcribe what he was saying.
So the child's voice at the beginning is the most important part.
But look, it indicates to me that they've died and that they're still hanging around the cemetery waiting for you all to get there.
Now, I know that you say, or you've said in past shows, that cemeteries are not necessarily any better or worse for gathering these sorts of things, but then you keep going to the cemeteries, so they must be better.
Well, then that, I mean, I would say, I'm just going to guess, in all the shows that we've done, 60%, maybe 70%, 60 to 70% of the EVPs we've played on this program have come from cemeteries.
Well, and to be honest, though, a lot of that was from one or two cemeteries, I mean, over and over again, because we go back there so much because of the results we've gotten previously.
Have you made any correlation between, for example, I was in Paris and I went to a very, very, very old cemetery.
I mean, you know, 1600s, 1500s, people who died really a long time ago, right?
And I wonder if you would get as many EVPs in a cemetery of that nature as you would where there have been people recently taken down, you know, very recently taken down.
Yes, I know, but if your other contention is that you're still conscious on the other side, you're still aware, you still have emotions and feelings and thoughts and awareness of self, then that's pretty frightening because even in the very old cemeteries, those entities are still there.
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There is one particular cut I'm not going to identify right now, but I will before the hour's out that just is going to haunt me until the day I die that I've heard tonight.
I guess it's different, you know, for everybody.
We will allow GIS members Barbara and Brendan to answer your questions this hour.
As soon as we go through the balance of what we've got to do, and that's a little bit here, so we'll get to it as quickly as we can.
I guess it's just human beings who attach the darkness with the fear, with the happening of the unknown, but to somebody on the other side, they don't know day from night, do they?
Early on in the projects that, you know, going to cemeteries and so forth, did you all try the other?
In other words, just sitting there in utter, absolute silence, or even taking a tape recorder and just leaving it on a headstone all night long, coming back the next morning and getting it?
How frequently, when you have two or more recording mediums going, are you able to record the same EVP, but on separate devices, like perhaps a video recorder and an audio recorder?
This one was recorded by Roger at the Parko Hotel, and he was talking to a woman that had, we were asked to talk to some of the people in town, and he was asking a woman if he says, you want to wait a little longer for other people to show up.
And this EVP comes in kind of either cranky or sarcastic and says, well, yes, because she hadn't answered.
Well, I think a lot of what it has to do with is after we recorded it, Barbara called a mortician that works at this mausoleum and asked if plastic eyes has any meaning.
And he said they use plastic eyes when they're preparing the bodies.
This was recorded by Brendan with the digital, and we were at this old school up in Idaho, and you'll hear Brendan say, will you let us know you're here?
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Actually, Jenny says, well, you know, it was Jenny.
So you guys are now like that commercial where the guy's, you know, happily smiling, going home with the P5 computer while the guy pastes the P6 computer thing up on the sign, right?
The Bible talks about the age of accountability when a child reaches that age when it's no longer purely innocent and it knows that it's doing right for wrong.
Yeah, now, there's also other guests have theorized that possibly the ghostly realm might be like the highest level of hell, or what we would call, you know, the grand scheme of hell.
Now, a lot of these kids are dying right after they hit the age of accountability, which is like around eight or nine, it's going to vary for different people because everybody's a little different.
But if they're dying right when they hit the age of accountability or just shortly thereafter, they haven't had enough time to do a lot wrong in life, so they're getting stuck in this upper realm of hell, and that's why they're getting so many kids.
How do you determine the age of accountability to be eight or nine?
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Well, this is what the experts who study this stuff, I mean, most people know that when a kid is four or five, they really, you know, they're innocent.
But at a certain point, according to that, but if your logic is correct, then a child of nine or ten who commits murder should face penalties as a full adult if they've got accountability.
unidentified
Well, yeah, well, don't shoot the messenger.
I didn't set up the system.
I'm just saying, you know, this is one possibility that if these are kids that have hit that age of accountability but haven't had enough time to do a whole lot wrong, they are getting stuck in this realm.
I can't tell you, I know I've had hundreds of people who have emailed me after these shows who have gone out and tried it, and they're all sending me these MPEG-3s.
What they got, you know?
unidentified
Can I tell you of one that happened to me back in the 60s that was really scary?
I was taping a Beatles song, Strawberry Fields, and while it was taping, it was just taping normal off the radio or off whatever I was taping it from, and it said, let me take you down, and then suddenly the tape, the recording itself stopped, it sounded like, and it said, in the water.
And then it went, let me take you down in the water, and then continued the song.
Yeah, because my experience with my child, I lived 30 years in Mexico, and they have a culture for the dead, which is coming up pretty soon, the 2nd of November.
And I learned so much.
I had so much.
I'm very happy and proud of what I learned down there.
And when my boy was dying, I was fortunate enough to be there with him.
He was 11 years old, and his case was kind of irreversible.
And I was holding his hand.
That's all I wanted to do because I didn't want to hug him.
I didn't want to keep him here.
Because, well, it's time for him to go.
So I kept on telling him, you know, because I knew he was one step here and one step there.
And I kept on telling him, you have to go with your father who died three years ago.
Take your father by the hand and go up to heaven.
As we know here, you know, we don't know how to explain this.
And they know better than we do.
Go up to heaven and take your father with you by the hand.
Now, I've known some very spiritual people who have seen me afterwards, you know, with these two people behind me, a small figure and a large figure.
And they were holding hands.
And I know another thing also that when you dream about somebody who has passed away, you're actually living that with them.
Because I had that experience with my husband after he died.
There was something pending that we had to do, and it didn't happen.
And two weeks later, after he died, it happened in a dream.
Do you, when you hear these voices, how does that make you feel?
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About the little boy, I was thinking, it just gave me the chills, and it also made me feel sad for this little boy because I feel that his father or motherhood's parents didn't want to let him go.
Now, if you yourself could find out who this little boy was, or this owner of the mortuary, go investigate who died there in the mortuary, a young boy.
Maybe his family has a videotape of his voice, and you can compare it with the voice that's on your video, on your digital tape.
Really, not to keep rehashing old things, but the 14, I agree with the last caller that I think it was an inquisitive statement that the child might have been making on the number track 14.
Right.
Yes.
But it sounds like, now that's like I said, I could be just wrong with everybody else.
It sounds like the kid's saying, I believe, like, they're back.
Like inquisitive, like they're back again, so to speak.
Because I think that, what was 13?
Wasn't 13 saying something along the lines of get out?
Do you think that loved ones hold the dead here by not releasing them?
There are a lot of people who believe that.
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I think that's one possibility.
I don't think that's the only reason you get ghosts or spirits or anything, but I think that's one possibility that happens.
I mean, I can give you a quick, for instance, my aunt, when my, or I'm sorry, actually, my great-grandmother, when my father died, they actually had pulled the plug, so to speak.
And he was in a coma after an accident.
And when they pulled the plug the same time of the day, the doorbell at my great-grandmother's house rang five or six different times over the course of 10 minutes.
Every time he answered the door, it would stop, and there was nobody there.
And then, as soon as they'd shut the door, they'd sit back down.
Doorbell rang again, and again, this happened quite a few times.
Same time of day at his parents' house, they smelled his cologne all over the house at the same time that I've heard a million stories like that.