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Sept. 20, 2002 - Art Bell

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	From the high desert and the great American southwest, I bid you all good evening, good
	morning, good afternoon, whatever time of day it is, wherever you are in the world,
	which we cover quite handily with a program called...
	Coast-to-coast AM.
	It's Friday night, Saturday morning.
	I'm Art Bell, and I'm going to try and dive into open lines as quickly as I can in this first hour.
	Weeks coming, I will have open line shows on Friday.
	Look, of course, as we move toward Halloween for a ghost-to-ghost show.
	Let's look around the world very quickly.
	The Associated Press says 13 days before the September 11 attacks, a frustrated FBI agent warned headquarters that, quote, some day, someone will die, end quote.
	After he was denied permission to pursue a man who would become one of the hijackers, a congressional panel was told Friday that the agent's efforts were among many missed opportunities to stop two of the hijackers after they were spotted attending an Al-Qaeda meeting in Malaysia in January of 2000.
	Oh my.
	Israel is tightening its siege on Yasser Arafat.
	They're doing all kinds of things, using tanks, To destroy a stairwell in the compound, digging a deep trench, running coils of barbed wire around his offices.
	Of course, he's got big guns pointed at him.
	So you would think that Yasser would eventually get the message.
	Maybe.
	President Bush appealed Friday to a reluctant Russian President Vladimir Putin to please back a new U.N.
	Security Council resolution threatening war with Iraq if it doesn't destroy its weapons stockpiles, but despite a basic Ally and warm relationship and cooperation against terrorism and all the rest of it.
	Russia held to its view that the threat should be deferred at least until the UN weapons inspectors take up President Saddam Hussein's offer to resume the searches after nearly four years.
	You know, they probably got him now at the bottom of a thousand foot mine, right?
	It was pretty horrible.
	I'm sure a lot of you saw it on CNN during the day.
	A woman Wanted in the videotape beating of her four-year-old daughter.
	They caught it on videotape outside a department store.
	They're hoping she'll turn herself in to authorities.
	It was an incredible piece of video and she put the child in the back.
	Everybody's of course worried about the child, but I mean she just beat the hell out of that Child on videotape.
	I know it went on for some time.
	It's actually kind of hard to watch.
	Hurricane Isidore pounded Cuba's sparsely populated western end with heavy rains, winds of more than 100 miles an hour Friday as it makes its way toward the Gulf of Mexico.
	This will be bad, prompting the evacuation of offshore oil rigs.
	Hopefully it goes south.
	Not that I would wish anything bad on our Central or South American neighbors, but This looks like one of those that you don't want to get into the warm gulf and head up toward Texas, Louisiana, that kind of thing.
	They are looking for 12-foot tides, by the way.
	Governor Paul Patten on Friday tearfully admitted to a, quote, inappropriate personal relationship, end quote, with a woman who is suing him for sexual harassment but denied her charges, said that he The charge is rather that he used his influence to target her business after she ended the relationship.
	He said, quote, I have now apologized to the people of Kentucky and asked for your forgiveness.
	The married governor said, quote, I do believe that now I'm on the right path, end quote.
	Now what I've got here, I'm going to let you be the judge of this.
	It's in the journal Nature.
	In a very well-respected nature, and the headline is, electrodes trigger OBEs, out-of-body experience.
	This is a very interesting story, and I wonder how you all will react to it.
	Activity in one region of our brain could explain OBEs.
	Researchers in Switzerland have triggered the phenomena using electrodes.
	People describe out-of-body experiences as feeling that their consciousness becomes detached from their bodies, often floating above it.
	Because these lucid states are popularly linked to the paranormal, a lot of people are reluctant to talk about them.
	That's according to Olaf Blank of the Geneva University Hospital.
	He said that he found that electrically stimulating one brain region, the right angular Gyrus, G-Y-R-U-S, repeatedly triggers out-of-body experiences.
	Blanket and his team are using electrodes to excite the brain of a woman being treated for epilepsy.
	The right angular gyrus integrates visual information, the sight of your body, in other words, information that creates the mind's representation of your body.
	This is based on balance and feedback from your limbs about their position and space.
	It makes perfect sense, agrees Peter Brugger of University Hospital Zurich in Switzerland, who studies the phenomena.
	We have representations of our entire body that can be disassociated from our real body, says he, but this is an isolated case, he points out.
	With gentle stimulation, the woman, who could speak during the operation, felt that she was falling, or growing lighter.
	As the intensity increased, she told them, I see myself lying in bed from above.
	When asked to look at her raised arm, she thought it was coming to punch her.
	The observation suggests that alien hand syndrome, when people feel that a limb is foreign or phantom limbs that people can feel after amputations, could be related to OBEs.
	Out-of-body experiences are incredibly common.
	says clinical neurologist John Marshall of the Radcliffe Infirmary in Oxford, UK.
	Some are part of near-death experiences.
	Some believe the events have religious or spiritual causes, or that a person really leaves their physical body behind.
	They may, for example, interpret them as evidence that the physical and spiritual body can separate again after death.
	The new experiments cannot disprove such ideas, says Marshall.
	It doesn't show that people with paranormal beliefs are wrong.
	It simply demonstrates one way that the experience can be stimulated.
	Nevertheless, I think it would give great comfort to patients who, he says, frequently question their own sanity.
	Thrill-seekers are going to be hard-pushed to artificially create their own OBEs, adds Brugger, because, you see, you can't stimulate that precisely without opening up the skull.
	So in other words, if you want to give that a try at home and you don't use a
	traditional method for stimulating an OBE, you're going to have to take a big slice out of your head
	and put some electrodes in, that sort of thing, and I rather doubt that's a try it at home kind of deal.
	Now I received this just a little while ago tonight and you know me and ghost stories, right?
	But this, this one, oh man.
	Short and sweet.
	Dear Art, last week my wife went to her beauty shop and talked to a lady that she sees there from time to time.
	My wife asked how things were, you know, small talk, and the lady related the following.
	About six weeks ago, her father died of a stroke.
	Her mom was devastated, and she died three weeks later.
	That frequently happens.
	People in love, doesn't it?
	Both were cremated, and the lady and her son decided to take those ashes to another state for internment.
	Both urns were packed in a box, and she took them as carry-on luggage.
	The x-ray examiner asked what the contents were, and she said, my parents' ashes.
	So the box went into the x-ray machine and the operator asked, what else was in the box?
	She said, just the ashes.
	The operator said, there is a photograph in the box and asked the lady to look at the screen.
	On that scope was the image of her dad's face.
	Well, the lady became hysterical.
	Her sons rushed over, and they also saw the image, as did about five other people, including the examiner's supervisor.
	Easily the most bizarre story I've ever heard.
	From Lloyd Cloughton, San Diego, California.
	Oh, my God.
	Can you imagine that?
	That would do you in, alright.
	I mean, there you are, with your parents' ashes.
	going through the x-ray machine and uh...
	and they they ask you what they are we would always do of course and you tell
	them and they look inside and inside and earn but there's no photograph is just an image
	showing up on that screen
	but other one any little wire down tickling anybody's part of
	the brain for that one Drudge, of course, this week saying that Russia
	Would seem to be missing a couple of hundred.
	That's 200 nuclear warheads.
	200.
	200.
	In other words, of 2,400 nuclear warheads that were on Ukrainian territory, only 2,200, of 2,400, only 2,200 still are there!
	nuclear warheads that were on Ukrainian territory only 2,200 of 2,400 only 2,200 still are there
	that means 200 nuclear warheads appear to be missing now
	if you were to hazard a guess about where those 200 nuclear warheads might
	be what would you think Thank you.
	.
	Think any of them might be here?
	IBM said Wednesday it sold the U.S.
	Air Force a supercomputer to help it identify unidentified flying objects.
	The Air Force's space surveillance team based in Maui, Hawaii is going to use the supercomputer to hunt Outer space for old satellites, foreign spacecraft, and other UFOs that may be hurtling toward Earth.
	According to IBM, the IBM system will be used to detect and identify some 9,000 objects currently flying around in Earth's orbit.
	9,000 objects!
	9,000 things flying around up there.
	And then I suppose if the IBM computer suddenly detects 9,001, it says, What's that?
	The blue screen of notification, huh?
	Does the statement, we've always done it that way, ring any bells?
	For you folks?
	The North American Standard Railroad Gauge, in other words, distance between the rails, is 4 feet, 8.5 inches.
	That's an odd number.
	And a lot of people have wondered why that gauge was used.
	Now listen to me.
	No, it's not a metric conversion.
	Because that's the way they built them in England, and English expatriates built the U.S.
	railroads.
	Now, why did the English build them like that?
	Well, because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and then that's the gauge!
	That's the gauge they used!
	Why did they use the gauge then?
	Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing.
	Okay, why did the wagons have that particular odd spacing?
	Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long roads in England, and that's because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts.
	So, Who built those old rutted roads?
	Imperial Rome built the first long-distance roads in Europe and England, or their legions.
	The roads have been used ever since.
	And the ruts in the road?
	Well, Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels.
	Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome, they were all alike.
	In the matter of wheel spacing, the North American Standard Railroad Gauge of 4 feet 8.5 inches is in fact derived from the original specifications for an Imperial Roman War Chariot.
	And bureaucracies live forever, as we all know, so the next time you're handed a specification and wonder what horse's ass came up with it, you may be exactly right, you see, because The Imperial Roman War Chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two war horses!
	Now, the twist of the story.
	When you see a space shuttle sitting on its launch pad in all its glory, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of that main fuel tank.
	These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs, right?
	The SRBs are made by Thiokol at their factory in Utah.
	The engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred to have made them a bit larger, but the SRBs you see had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site, right?
	The railroad line from the factory happens to run through a tunnel in the mountains.
	The SRBs had to fit through the tunnel.
	The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track.
	And the railroad track, as you now know, It's about as wide as two horses behind, so a major space shuttle design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was determined over 2,000 years ago by the width of a horse's ass.
	And you may have thought being a horse's ass was not important.
	It's just one of those things that you make note of, I guess.
	Let's rock!
	East of the Rock Keys, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hi.
	For Open Lines, right?
	Till 2?
	Oh, it's Open Lines, sir, yes.
	Yes.
	Okay, this is Mike in New York.
	Yes, Mike.
	Okay.
	First thing, I wanted to make a commentary about the Egyptian program and how much any comparison has been done to the pyramids in, like, Central and South America.
	And then also the Egyptian program, I don't think compared at all to Central and South America.
	I saw the program on Egypt.
	Oh yes, so did I this past week.
	I saw no such comparison.
	No, there was no comparison, but he's had some guests who were talking about the Mayans.
	He?
	You mean me?
	No, Art Bell.
	That's me.
	Oh, I got you right off the bat.
	Who do you think you're talking to?
	Oh, I've heard that.
	I know the pizza.
	I don't stream calls.
	I mean, you're on the air.
	This is it.
	You know, the big moment is here.
	Okay.
	Now, the first comment I just wanted to make was, I know you've had guests who've talked about, like, the mines.
	Oh, yes.
	And that they've worked with the pyramids that make reference to them with the precise measurements and everything.
	Yes.
	How much the Egyptians that they might have compared with the precise construction to line up so precisely with stars and whatever else.
	And I think maybe one or two of you guests have mentioned when they've talked like Central and South America.
	Has any crosstalk ever been made to say?
	Well, I'm ready to crosstalk about it.
	You know, that's always amazed me.
	And that is that during the time that we're talking about right now, And there really does need to be a lot more attention to be paid to all of this.
	During the time that we're talking about, there wasn't exactly the internet.
	There wasn't even exactly airliners.
	There weren't even exactly ships that went across the sea to carry a message from hither to yon.
	There was nothing.
	There was no way that one continent communicated with another continent, and yet we see the building of a similar Measurements and building in pyramids all over the world.
	Now, I know we all saw Zahi Wasi the other night say, and they made the point again and again, as Zahi always does, that the Egyptians built the pyramids.
	Maybe they did.
	But what about all the other pyramids?
	Did the Egyptians build the same stuff the Mayans did?
	How did the Mayans figure out what the Egyptians did?
	I mean, did they have plans sent by FedEx or something?
	These are all things to wonder about, and it's not just the Mayans.
	It's all over the world that we see these pyramids.
	How did they get there?
	How did the communication occur?
	What commonality was there?
	Lots of good questions.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Yes, turn your radio off, please.
	I'm kind of curious.
	Have you ever interviewed Ernst Sundell?
	No.
	Do you know who I mean?
	No.
	Well, Ernst Sundell is a Canadian, and he wrote two books, one of them called UFOs, Nazi secret weapons, and another called Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions.
	Oh yes.
	And he's one of these people who believes that the Fuhrer is still alive.
	How would he be?
	What's that?
	How would he be still alive?
	Well, um, there's some people who believe that Adolf Hitler was a mystical being.
	You know, like for instance, Miguel Serrano.
	You don't believe that, do you?
	What's that?
	You don't believe that, do you?
	Um, I, well, you know what, it's going to sound really strange, but I believe that he is an incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu.
	You do believe it?
	You do believe it?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Alright, Hitler was some sort of a being from beyond, not a real human.
	was a lot of humanity in hitler because i love the way that you stop and you hold
	everything you
	A band is blowing Dixie, double fall time.
	You feel alright, when you hear the music ring.
	I'm gonna let you step inside but you don't see too many faces.
	Time, time, time, see what's become of me.
	Time, time, time, see what's become of me.
	Time, time, time See what's become of me
	Time, time, time See what's become of me
	While I looked around For my possibilities
	I was so hard to please Look around
	Look around.
	It's a ground.
	And a sky.
	It's a hazy shade of winter.
	Feel this damnation on the ground.
	Down by the riverside.
	It's bound to be a better hide than what you've got planned.
	Carry your cup in your hand.
	The ground is brown, and the sky is a hazy shade of winter.
	Hang on to your hopes, my friend.
	That's an easy thing to say, but girls should pass away and simply pretend.
	To reach Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nigh, from west of the Rockies dial 1-800-618-8255.
	Feels alright, it's the springtime of my life.
	To reach Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye, from west of the Rockies, dial 1-800-618-8255.
	East of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
	First time callers may reach Art at 1-775-711.
	727-1222 or use the wildcard line at 1-775-727-1295. To recharge on the toll-free international
	line, call your AT&T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell on the Premier Radio Network.
	Coming up at the top of the hour is one of the scariest programs we ever do in my estimation.
	And I'll explain to you in detail why.
	The GIS, the ghosts from the other side, people.
	The dead people.
	The five cents a minute talk to the dead people, people.
	All right, back to it.
	We go open lines, as many as we can get in between now and the top of the hour.
	What's to the Rockies?
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	Good morning.
	I'm glad you're feeling better.
	Oh, thank you.
	I wanted to say that thank you so much for having the GIS back on again.
	Ah, top of the hour, GIS.
	Yeah.
	You know, somebody sent me an email earlier today, and it just has said in the subject line, talk to the dead, five cents a minute.
	You know, you expect to see this lady in black tights come down, you know, talk to the dead, five cents a minute.
	But the reason I think, at least for me, the reason the GIS shows are particularly impactful and frightening, it's because they have such tight controls on what they do.
	It's because they don't make any money.
	They don't sell books, they don't sell anything on the air, they just Do this, and that really freaks me out.
	I mean, you might imagine if they had some stake in all of this, other than just gathering the information, then you could say, aha!
	Right?
	Yeah.
	But you can't.
	There's no aha here.
	It's oh my god.
	It's more like oh my god.
	Yeah, and they're pretty brave to be staying out there all night in the cemetery.
	I wouldn't do it.
	I wouldn't do it.
	Would you?
	No, well I'd rather go in the daytime.
	As the low fog rolls in so that you can't even see your own feet and there's starting to be voices in the dark and stuff like that.
	Yeah, with all that fog you won't be able to see where your car is.
	That's right, you won't even be able to see your own feet.
	Yeah.
	But you'll be able to see about half of the grave markers, you know.
	No, not for me.
	Appreciate the call, though.
	Thank you.
	All right, take care.
	Now that's, uh, y'all, coming up at the top of the hour, GIS, Ghost Investigators Society.
	I think that's what it stands for, right?
	EVP.
	Ghost Investigators Society, indeed.
	And EVP, Electronic Voice Phenomena.
	And, you know, I've looked at this every way from Sunday, and that's why we keep having these people back, because you can't find any holes in it.
	I mean, they use brand new tapes, brand new recorders.
	And these voices are coming from where?
	Where?
	Nowhere.
	They're coming from nowhere.
	They're coming across.
	And here, once again, we have no electrodes attached to anybody's brain.
	This is phenomena that we can actually listen to and hear now in real time.
	It really does seem to be interactive, which would indicate that there is an interactive entity Sending the message over on what we, for lack of a better term, call the other side.
	Right?
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello, Art.
	Yes, sir.
	This is Andy Collin from Lexington, North Carolina.
	Hello, Andy.
	I've been listening to your show for the past year now.
	I got tuned into your show from a guy who ran a bookstore who told me You know, about all the different subjects that y'all cover on Coast to Coast.
	It is somewhat diverse.
	Uh-huh.
	And see, the reason why I was looking for an old movie, Bigfoot movie one time, and I got, you know, through your show, I got to Robert Morgan's website.
	Oh, yes.
	And I got to where I'm pretty good friends with him.
	Oh, yes.
	You know, like I said, there's just been so much happening, you know, with, it looks like we are going to, you know, hit a rock and all that kind of stuff.
	It was kind of scary today whenever they arrested this guy up in Greensboro, there's a taxi cab driver who was planning, I think they said, to fly a plane into the White House.
	That's right.
	And, you know, I know that there are some Arab people, you know, I'm friends with some people there, Pakistani people.
	Then they had to sell up in Buffalo.
	I mean, all of a sudden, you know, we're starting to find out they may be all around us.
	Yeah.
	Well, you know, you don't, because there are some people from over there, you know, Muslims, I guess, that are You know, try to work hard and don't bother anybody, but you get, when stuff like this happens, you get so mad and fed up, you feel like, you know, deporting all of them.
	You know?
	I know, but you know, in America, we've got to resist that temptation.
	And I know it's really a big temptation.
	I know it's really a big temptation.
	You know, deport them all, get them the hell out of here.
	But the trouble with that is that then you stop becoming, then you're not American.
	In other words, then they have successfully robbed you of that which you stand for.
	The poor, the huddled masses being welcomed, all the rest of that.
	In other words, they have managed to change who we are.
	And so it's always a balance.
	You're going to have a real tough time with it.
	I know there's that sentiment out there, but I think it has to be resisted and we have to find a way to destroy these people without changing and destroying who we are.
	Um, Wildcard Line, you're on the air, hello.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi, it's Phil Collins.
	Um, a couple of weeks ago, or a couple of days ago, you guys had an episode with, quote, Mirror Magic?
	Yes.
	I had Dr. Evelyn Paglini on, we talked about Mirror Magic, yes.
	Yes.
	Um, when I was younger, some friends of mine, we decided to fool around with a mirror on, I guess on a story that we were told.
	Played with the mirror and the nightmares that we had after, after fooling around with this mirror.
	Well, I mean, how'd you fool with it?
	Well, we were, we were told the story of you, uh, you say a certain chant in front of the mirror that certain things would happen.
	Well, we did the chant, but nothing happened at the time, but the nightmares and the, uh, and the spooking, the spookiness feeling that we had for months later was, uh, unbelievable.
	So it's nice to actually hear Dr. Evelyn talk to people and then explain, you know,
	don't fool around with that stuff so you don't understand.
	Yeah, that's right.
	All right, thank you.
	I think the mirror is just an adjunct.
	I think that the mirror is powerful in that regard, as are probably other props like Ouija boards and all the rest, but mainly I think it's your intent.
	It's your intent.
	In other words, if you put yourself in a state of mind, then I don't think it would matter whether it was a mirror, Ouija board, Reflection in a pond, the pen or the desk in front of you, or whatever.
	If it became your intent to use any material object as an aid to open doors, then you might imagine that those doors might open.
	You also might imagine that something might walk through that might displease you highly.
	So I think it has more to do with intent than it does specific objects.
	But mirrors, in that regard, mirrors are very good.
	Apparently very good.
	It still kind of freaks me out.
	I tried to take this infinity picture with my webcam, and I couldn't do it.
	I think if I had one large mirror in here, I could do it.
	It was so fascinating.
	I had this wonderful picture.
	I snapped it, and I didn't get anything.
	All I got was a picture of the program that took the picture.
	It was so weird.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Eric.
	Hi, this is Glenn down in South Texas.
	Yes, Glenn.
	I'm calling to volunteer my services as a hurricane reporter.
	Oh!
	Are you really?
	Well, as this baby heads towards the Gulf of Mexico, of course, you might have something to worry about down there.
	Oh, very much so.
	Now, I have always marveled at, you know, when you watch CNN, who is it that gets sent by CNN To be the guy who gets to go down and be in the eye of the hurricane as it passes over.
	You know, holding on to a pole for dear life as the cameraman holds on for dear life trying to take a picture of the guy holding on to the pole for dear life.
	Uh-huh.
	I wonder if they have like an office, you know, like a drawing or something, you know?
	That would be an anti-lottery.
	Yeah, maybe it's the new guy, you know?
	I just heard, by the way, that they're going to stop doing that.
	Oh?
	Yeah, that they're going to stop putting people in harm's way.
	I'm 20 miles from the Mexican border and 20 miles from the coast.
	I'm shocked.
	I mean, I am shocked.
	Where did you hear that?
	It was one of the major news outlets.
	So now we're going to have to depend on people like you.
	Well, I'm here for you.
	Really?
	I mean, you would go down And let's say get in a phone booth or hold on to a cell telephone.
	I wouldn't have to go down.
	I just... Letting the eye of the hurricane pass directly over you.
	All I would have to do is open the front door.
	Well listen, I hope it doesn't happen.
	I hope that it misses the U.S.
	altogether.
	I said I don't wish any bad luck on Central and South America, but go that way.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	All right.
	Thank you for the call.
	And there's a volunteer.
	Have they really stopped that?
	Wow!
	That's big news, if true.
	How are they going to cover it, then?
	I mean, it's almost traditional, the guy from CNN down there hanging on the flagpole.
	I wonder if I'll miss it.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Good evening, Art.
	Good evening, sir.
	Jim calling from Oregon.
	Oregon.
	In a vehicle?
	On a cell phone?
	Yes, sir.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm in an 18-wheeler right now.
	That's quite all right.
	I have a question about Iraq, to sort of change the subject.
	All right, fire away.
	What would prevent us, everybody's concerned about going to war with them, why can't we do like they did in days of yore and just put them under siege and blockade them?
	When they don't have any food and water, pretty soon they'll capitulate, won't they?
	Well, we've been doing that now for years, sir.
	Where have you been?
	We've been blockading Iraq.
	We haven't bought their oil.
	We've starved their people to the point where their children are dying while they continue to produce biological nuclear weapons.
	That's what we've done, and I think, you know... Have they been totally isolated?
	Yes, pretty much, sir.
	Other than, say, Jordan, that will always deal with them.
	But, I mean, the President has pretty much come to the end of his line with that.
	Yeah, that's true.
	It doesn't work.
	I just thought if we sent our troops over rather than attack them in the streets, because you know they're going to put their military sites where the civilians are, just encircle their country with troops and let them sit there until they start.
	I don't know.
	I appreciate the call and the thought.
	You know, if we actually have to do what the President appears to want to do, it's going to be horrible.
	Because what Saddam Hussein will do will be to put a substantial portion of his army in Baghdad, and it'll be house-to-house warfare.
	And you all may remember what happened in Somalia.
	I mean, that's tough stuff.
	Really tough stuff.
	When you've got snipers, And you've got an urban area, and you know, there's everywhere to hide, and you don't know who the enemy is, and you don't know who the poor civilians are, and oh god, it's gonna be a mess.
	There's no question about that.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, how are you doing?
	Turn your radio off, please.
	Okay.
	We'll wait for that.
	Uh, where are you?
	Cape Cod.
	Cape Cod, alright.
	Proceed.
	Um, I'd like to talk to...
	This is our... Sir, you're on the air.
	Oh, okay.
	I'd like to talk to you about the special that I saw on Fox.
	About Egypt?
	Yeah.
	The one that was on, yes?
	Right.
	Yes.
	When they opened the tomb and got through that first door and put the camera through and then we saw what looked like maybe another door with the, you know, crack marks and everything, but I definitely noticed on the right hand side of the screen on the bottom, there was definitely a black line running up to that wall, where supposedly nothing had been yet already.
	So you think they've already been there?
	Yeah, I mean if anybody else had taped that, I'd love for them to confirm what I saw live.
	Alright, let's get it straight again.
	You saw a black line.
	Yes.
	Which indicated to you that somebody, of course Egyptians thousands of years ago, you wouldn't be referring to that, you mean very recently.
	Yeah, it looked like a Fresh black line going up to that wall.
	Son of a gun.
	You mean to say you are suspicious that they might have done something and not told us about it?
	Yeah.
	Like a lot of other people I think that they had pre-planned it and it was staged.
	Yeah.
	I wonder how many doors there are.
	I mean like it could be 25 Fox specials.
	I agree.
	And there's the next door.
	Yep.
	And there's the next special.
	And it was convenient for them to get their political points across the whole time.
	Yes, just like your other guest said, George, that was on.
	George Norrie?
	Yes.
	Yes, indeed.
	Very convenient to get all the plugs in.
	I know Zio Was, you know, he's a friend.
	You know him?
	Oh yeah, I know him very well.
	He's quite the guy, and he has his own views about who built the pyramids, and he's pretty He's definitely plugging that the Egyptians did it.
	I even noticed how he said that he wanted to point out that they didn't use slaves and all that.
	Remember when he said that?
	Yeah, I know.
	Well, I mean, look, Zahi is an Egyptian, and he doesn't want anything... I mean, he's a true-blooded Egyptian like you're a true-blooded American, and you don't want anything bad said about America, right?
	Right.
	So, he's that way about Egypt.
	That the proof was when he showed those places where they supposedly slept in the city, they showed all those guys laying there in these little narrow strips right out in the open, you know, one right after the other.
	And I said, well, gee, I don't think they do that to their own people.
	Even if they were covered with a pen or something.
	Yeah, well, you may recall, though, that even America went through a period with slavery.
	Now, didn't we?
	So that there would have been slavery there.
	I don't think it's too big of a stretch, frankly, and I'm sure you don't either.
	Some of it was, no doubt, contracted and paid for in labor.
	Some of it was, I guess, food and board.
	Some of it was probably slavery.
	I mean, there was probably all shades of gray involved.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Yeah, how are you doing?
	This is Chuck, driving across the Panhandle, listening to you on 1200 WAI.
	Panhandle in Texas, then.
	OAI in San Antonio.
	Yes, sir.
	You got it.
	And you guys brought up that pyramid show?
	Yes.
	I have a high-definition TV, and that door did not match with the rocks around the door.
	So it looks like that door is new.
	Well...
	Um, I had one guest the other night who suggested that perhaps, uh, it was a handle, uh, that broke off in some previous attempt.
	I just, you know, I found it extremely strange that if it was something like that, after Zahi had said, boy, you know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't go one more inch if there was any damage to anything.
	Oh, I'm talking about the door that was behind the door.
	Oh, yeah, the second door, like the last car.
	Yeah.
	Uh-huh.
	Uh, I think they've already been in there.
	I know.
	I have the very same suspicions myself, sir.
	And that one guy earlier said about the pyramid in Central America and all across the world.
	That was another show that was on Discovery Channel last week.
	Was it?
	Yeah, how the pyramids over in Egypt match up with Orion's belt.
	Oh, yes.
	Well, I mean, it is a little odd, as I pointed out.
	There wasn't telegraph, there weren't radios, there wasn't transportation, there wasn't FedEx or UPS or anything else.
	How could we have ended up with pyramids all around the world?
	How?
	Well, they figured the ones over in Asia was from the Egyptians, and they said that somehow the trade route, or some sort of trade route, that it got down into Central America from the pyramid that's in St.
	Louis.
	And, uh, in South and Central America?
	I mean, those Egyptians really got around.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, they said that, uh, what, uh, cows that they used and all the food that they used, that.
	It was, uh.
	You think the Mayans, you think the Mayans learned the art of, uh, pyramid building from the Egyptians?
	Or, I mean, how did that happen?
	I mean, it just wasn't the same world, sir.
	Well, I know that.
	I don't know how it was.
	Maybe they had little flying fairies that ran around and told everybody how to do it.
	You know flying fairies?
	Yeah.
	Or spaceships.
	Well, you know, I think that's what some people believe.
	That there had to have been some sort of global information exchange that we can't even imagine today.
	Although, you know, there is one other possibility, sir, and everybody.
	Think about this for a second.
	Remember the New York State Lotto, Pick 3, 9-1-1?
	Could it be...
	Could it be...
	That mass consciousness...
	Was as effective, or even more effective then...
	Than it is now?
	Why?
	Who?
	Yeah!
	What is it good for?
	Absolutely nothing!
	Uh-huh!
	Why?
	Who?
	Yeah!
	What is it good for?
	I have some.
	Absolutely not!
	Say it again, y'all!
	What?
	Who?
	God!
	What is this color for?
	Absolutely not!
	Listen to me!
	Oh, what?
	I despise Costume is distortion
	Of innocent lives War means tears
	Cause I was a mother's wife When the sons go to fight
	And lose their lives I said, what?
	Who?
	Good God, y'all!
	What is this color for?
	Absolutely not!
	Swallowed down a spiral Destination unknown
	Telecast messenger All alone
	Can't get no connection Can't get through
	Where are you?
	you Well, the night is heavy on his guilty mind.
	He's less far from the borderline.
	When the hitman comes, he knows damn well he has been cheated.
	And he says, am I stepping into this white-eyed sun?
	This is the madhouse, feels like being gone My beacon can't move, got no moon and star
	Where am I to go now that I've fallen too far?
	I hope I'm stepping into the twilight zone This is the madhouse, feels like being alone
	My beacon can't move, got no moon and star Where am I to go now that I've fallen too far?
	You were young and gold when your brother hit the phone You were young and gold when your brother hit the phone
	When your brother hit the phone Bye.
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	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nine.
	All I can say is it's night time and there's a big full moon out there.
	Boy, that's a big full moon out there.
	And we're about to talk with the GIS and I warn you, what you're about to hear It's pretty scary stuff.
	So if you're out there trucking along on the highway in the middle of the night, you might want to consider whether you might want to go listen to country and western music for a little while or something else, because this is, I guarantee, pretty creepy stuff.
	Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeth are both members of what's called the Ghost Investigators Society, GIS for short.
	The Ghost Investigators Society is a non- So how about you cats out there?
	dedicated to the investigation of ghosts not only do they conduct investigations but also instruct
	assist and educate anybody who believes they may be experiencing ghostly
	phenomena for those who are just simply
	curious so how about you cats out there
	in an effort to educate the public about ghosts the GIS hopes the EVPs or
	electronic voice phenomena that are going to be presented tonight
	will help demonstrate that the consciousness that we all know we have does survive after the body dies
	and that these voices may help to give a different perspective about life
	and ghosts but I warn you it's scary stuff get prepared
	well alright uh...
	Once again, I want to specify at the beginning of the program that the reason that I keep having these two back again is because the GIS is a non-profit organization.
	They don't sell stuff.
	They don't sell books.
	They don't sell anything.
	They don't profit.
	They just go out and they record electronic voice phenomena, which is, by the way, not a new phenomena.
	It goes way back.
	Time to welcome Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeth, both GIS members.
	Welcome to the program.
	Thank you, Art.
	Thank you.
	You're very welcome.
	Great to have you back again.
	Well, folks, am I billing you correctly?
	I mean, you are a nonprofit organization, right?
	Yes, that's correct.
	We do not accept money for anything that we do.
	We do this simply out of the love of doing it, and the interest of doing it, and to hopefully educate as many people as possible about ghost phenomena.
	And you're not even selling stuff, are you?
	No.
	There's no books, there's no CDs, although we could, but we won't.
	Oh my God, could you put together CDs?
	Yes.
	You want to explain, it's just absolutely necessary for those who have never heard it before.
	First of all, electronic voice phenomena.
	Voices appearing out of the blue on magnetic tape is not a new thing.
	Electronic voice phenomena goes back how far?
	Actually to about the fifties.
	Edison and Marconi both were working on some kind of machine that runs along the same lines as EVP.
	It really has been around since the 50s.
	Some of the earliest people that reported recording voices were, there was two monks that were recording Gregorian chants and reported picking up voices while they were recording them.
	Edison actually did think he could talk to the dead, didn't he?
	Yeah, that is correct.
	He actually had, from what I've heard, designed a machine to talk to the dead.
	A lot of people just don't know.
	Yes, talk to the dead, five cents a minute.
	A lot of people really don't, I guess they don't want to absorb this aspect of him.
	Edison was just a purist scientist, never had thoughts of this kind of thing, but that's baloney, isn't it?
	It is.
	And, you know, people are so taken back by it.
	The fact, you know, they're taught all their life that this doesn't exist, and they shouldn't be able to talk to the dead at all.
	They're taught that once you're dead, you go to heaven, or once you're dead, you're dead.
	That's it.
	There's nothing left.
	That's right.
	And we've simply found that that's not right.
	I mean, your consciousness does survive.
	You maintain the same personality as you did in life.
	What you have Would seem to go an awful long way toward proving that.
	I read an article, I don't know if you happen to hear the first hour of the show or not, but I read an article about some scientists who are opening up people's brains and putting electrodes in and causing them to have OBEs.
	I did.
	I heard bits and pieces of it, but I did not actually catch the whole thing.
	So, you know, that's the other side of it.
	They're saying, well, I guess the suggestion is, even though they backed away from it a little bit, that, you know, it's just a phenomena of our own.
	That it's not something external, that there is no transference of energy that is whatever we are, you know, our soul, to another plane that continues to exist, that it's probably all just bunk.
	And we've heard that.
	I mean, we've heard probably every explanation you could think of on why these voices come through on tapes.
	Ghosts are not real.
	It's just simply a figment of your imagination.
	And, you know, that's all well and good until you're out in the middle of a haunted location or in the middle of a cemetery and... And it happens.
	Yeah, pick up a voice that's responding to you.
	I mean, it's not so much picking up a voice, but the fact that it interacts with you.
	And sometimes there's contemporary information with it.
	Yeah, that really does lay down some pretty heavy proof, in my opinion, on the side of We do survive death, or something of us does survive death of consciousness, obviously, and particularly if there's contemporary interactive information, it's got to be.
	So, that's why I continue to pursue this.
	Now, tell everybody how you do this.
	In other words, you take recorders, standard cassette recorders for the most part, right?
	Yes.
	And you take them out into places like cemeteries?
	Yes.
	We always use brand new tapes.
	We never reuse any tapes.
	Which in itself must get to be expensive.
	You must buy a lot of tape.
	We do.
	And we invite... We play the recorders also, which is important.
	We play it on regular speed.
	If you use a 60 minute tape, it should take 60 minutes to record.
	Oh now, we've never really talked about... So you don't, in order to...
	A conserved tape, you don't go to one quarter speed, you keep it at regular speed.
	Right.
	That's correct.
	That's clear, it records clear, and it helps the clarity of any AVP that you would record.
	Inevitably, somebody will suggest, well then, if clarity is what you want, then why not go to mini-discs, or something of that order?
	You still got a microphone, but as we have discussed in the past, folks, the way voices are imprinted on tape, is electromagnetic. In other words, it passes over a tape
	head that makes an electromagnetic imprint on the tape.
	And I guess the suggestion is that ghosts are able to, or entities are able to operate
	in an electromagnetic, or to emit electromagnetic impulses or
	energy, and that that way they're able to do it onto tape, and not so easily to
	say a mini CD or something like that.
	Is that fair?
	Well, that is definitely the theory, and that's definitely the theory we've gone along with for quite a long time.
	However... However?
	And you'll see this in the first nine voices EVPs that we're going to play tonight.
	Really?
	These were all recorded with a digital recorder.
	Oh my goodness, here we go, huh?
	Yeah.
	Man named Joe Bowman actually donated an RCA digital recorder to us.
	And we have been using that quite extensively lately.
	Oh, really?
	It has resulted in really, really nice EVP.
	Oh, wow.
	What a surprise tonight.
	I have no idea this will lay in wait for me, so... Well, it was a surprise to us, too.
	We honestly didn't believe this would work.
	And so it's a digital, what kind of recorder?
	It's an RCM, I'm not exactly sure on the model number.
	What does it record on, the medium?
	It's just an internal hard disk.
	Oh, a hard disk, okay.
	So it's purely, completely digital.
	That's correct.
	Which means that the noise is almost gone compared to tape noise.
	Yes, there's no tape hiss, there's no internal motor noises.
	Oh, gee.
	My goodness, folks.
	It just throws a whole new thing in it.
	It does.
	It throws the whole thing up in the air a little bit.
	How long ago did you get it?
	We just barely got it just a couple of months ago.
	Yeah, it was in July, I believe, since we've had it.
	And so you began to take it along on your treks to cemeteries, prisons and other areas of joy?
	That's correct.
	And we are... the only problem we've had with it is it's got a two-hour hard disk and our investigations quite often last longer than two hours so we find ourselves having to run out and listen to it so we can clear it and start all over again.
	Well of course... But we still are using our Our regular tape recorders also at the same time.
	Okay.
	Well, at today's prices, you know, you can go out and get like an 80 gig hard drive for like not much at all.
	Yes.
	And so that would last hours and hours and hours longer than your tape.
	Yes, that's correct.
	And we are, I mean, and you'll see from the results, these first nine that we're going to play, and there's also scattered throughout the rest of the voices.
	There are some other digital recordings as well, but just From the sheer amount of results that we got from this and the clarity of them, we are definitely going to pursue this more.
	The GIS enters the 21st century.
	We're getting pulled there whether we like it or not.
	Apparently so!
	I'm shocked, surprised, and you always had the theory that I sort of outlined there that electromagnetic imprints could be made easily on tape and other formats.
	It wouldn't be so easy for the entities to get to, but I guess That one's up in smoke, huh?
	Well, it's true.
	I mean, to be honest, the theory sounded so good.
	I mean, it sounded like it should work.
	I mean, that's how it should be done.
	But this has just completely turned it around for us.
	Does that mean that... How much difference?
	I mean, we're about to hear, obviously, the difference, but in terms of quality and being able to dig the audio from the noise for something that we can air here, how much difference is there?
	I believe there's quite a bit of difference, and I think that's simply because I work with the voices so much, getting them ready for this.
	Sure.
	But yeah, I believe there's a vast amount of difference, just because there is no tape hiss, and there's no... I mean, the voices are so much more lifelike.
	In fact, we ran into the problem hoping that nobody would think these are fake, because some of the voices sound so clear, like they're actually there.
	Well, you see, that would figure.
	I mean, if you could pick them up on something as clear as a digital imprint on a hard drive, then yes.
	Yes, I can see that it would perhaps be so clear they wouldn't appear real to those who would hear them.
	And then once you get done, what do you do?
	Do you format the hard drive?
	You reformat the hard drive?
	Yes.
	All right.
	Let's try it.
	I'm dying to hear what one of these sounds like.
	So let's do number one and see what it sounds like.
	All right.
	We had been contacted by a funeral director who recently, within the last three months, started having activity in his home.
	He has lived in this home for several years, and this is just a recent occurrence, and he contacted us to come and do an investigation.
	These are from the preliminary investigation.
	We will be going back there tomorrow to do a follow-up.
	So, let me get this straight.
	A funeral director began having activity in his own home, like something perhaps followed him home.
	Right.
	That's what I'm leaning toward has taken place.
	And so he contacted GIS?
	Yes.
	And said, can you help?
	Can you tell me what I've got or what's going on?
	He has visually seen a small child and also a man in the house.
	And in fact, his wife came home from work this past week and she thought that there was an intruder in the house.
	She grabbed her purse and cell phone and called him at work he immediately left called the police that there was an intruder in the home because she heard of boxes being slid across the floor and so they thought you know for sure that there was somebody that had broken into the home and the police arrived at the same time he arrived home and they went in and searched the premises and there was nothing bothered or
	No sign of forced entry anywhere or anything.
	But this first voice you're going to hear is you're going to hear Brendan say, will you talk with me?
	And there's a child's voice that responds and it says either father or others.
	All right.
	Here it comes.
	You're going to hear Brendan's voice first.
	Will you talk with me?
	And then you will hear something from the other side.
	Can you talk with me?
	Father.
	Father.
	Now, to me, that clearly sounds like father.
	I mean, that's not real hard to make out.
	I'll do it again so everybody can hear it, but it sounds very clearly like father to me.
	Listen very carefully now, folks.
	Can you talk with me?
	So, you too I take it assume that that meant whoever it was wanted to speak with father.
	Yes.
	And actually, I think you'll see that farther down the line as we play more of these voices from this house that this child is almost longing for parents, maybe.
	Boy, that brings us right back to that place we always get to in this program.
	Yes.
	Uh, that is that, um, you know, we all try and imagine what happens to us when we pass on.
	And there are terrible tragedies where children pass on, of course, you know, at a very young age.
	And if what you all pick up on these tapes is real, and it's the truth, then that would seem to indicate, it would seem to indicate that on the other side, you are what you are when you pass.
	If you are a child, you are a child.
	If you are a grumpy old man, then you're a grumpy old man on the other side, and that just doesn't fit in with a lot of people's image of what heaven would be.
	That's correct.
	I mean, we don't believe that you change at all once you've passed on.
	Your personality and your likes and your dislikes are still going to be, if it's a mental state that you're in and the consciousness survives, you are still going to be The same type of person you were when you were alive.
	Well, but that would mean that there's going to be a lot of downright nasty people in heaven.
	Well, they're not necessarily in heaven.
	Well, now you raise a good point there.
	We're getting these voices, but we really don't know the point of origin precisely, do we?
	No, that's correct.
	I mean, to be honest, I do believe there is a heaven.
	Yeah, whatever these entities are where we're getting these voices from, I don't think they're there.
	They haven't proceeded where they should go.
	I believe that they're still stuck here in our realm for some reason.
	So then you don't think you're hearing from heaven, you do think you're hearing from the dead.
	Yes.
	But not from heaven, not from hell.
	That's correct.
	I do not believe that they have gone on and Move to where they should be.
	But I've heard voices we played on this program that you all have recorded of little children saying, it's cold, it's dark in here.
	Yes.
	Do you remember those?
	Yes.
	And, you know, wherever they're at, that's, you know, that could be what it's like.
	I mean, we constantly, one of our main questions that we ask when we're out is, what is it like where you're at?
	You see, this does not exactly alleviate the fear of death.
	Well, I believe that it's the state of mind that you're in.
	Both here and there, I guess.
	All right, hold on.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
	It's cold and it's dark in here, in a very frightened child's voice.
	That just doesn't exactly alleviate the fear of dying for many, including me.
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	Oh, it should have occurred to me before.
	A hard drive is an electromagnetic device.
	Of course it is, unlike a CD.
	I was thinking CDs and CD.
	You have a laser burning CD, right?
	A little different process.
	But with a hard drive, you're still in the electromagnetic arena, but you are in the digital arena as well, which means that you get clarity, but it's still electromagnetic.
	Duh!
	Shoulda hit me!
	You know, it really shoulda hit me the moment I started talking about it.
	A hard drive is electromagnetic.
	Unlike a CD, I was somehow stuck on mini CDs and that sort of thing, which are burned with lasers.
	So this is really still in the electromagnetic realm.
	It's just going to be a whole lot cleaner, right?
	That's correct.
	Duh.
	I do explain it to me, because I couldn't understand it.
	Well, it just hit me all of a sudden.
	OK, so the next how many, roughly?
	Actually, the next, let's see, the next eight.
	The next eight are from hard drive.
	Yeah, well, and they're actually from the same house.
	From the same house?
	Yeah, this house was extremely active, and a lot of it, and you'll hear this in the recordings, seems to be the kid.
	I mean, you'll hear the kid, they've seen the kid, we've seen the kid being there.
	When we first pulled up into the driveway, the first night we went and conducted a preliminary investigation, the two owners of the house were sitting out on the driveway, and they wouldn't even go in their house.
	And as soon as we pulled in, we saw it's like a three-story home.
	No, a two-story home.
	And up on the second story, there's two sets of windows.
	And we just pulled in, and I looked up and saw something walk across the window.
	It was almost like a shadow.
	And I immediately asked the owner, is anybody inside the house?
	And he said, no, no one's inside the house.
	We're sitting out here waiting for you.
	And I asked, was there a ceiling fan, maybe, that was spinning around that might have caused that shadow?
	And he said, no, there's no ceiling fan in that room.
	So, and I think all of us saw it.
	All four members of the GIS that were there and the two owners of the house all saw this in the window.
	Has this caused the man, who I don't want to name, and I hope you won't, has this caused the man, the Undertaker, to rethink what he's doing for a living?
	No.
	He has always done this.
	I mean, for years.
	And so he shall continue to do it.
	But he does think it's connected to what he does.
	Yes.
	And we do, too.
	I mean, we think something probably has followed him home.
	All right.
	Let's do another one.
	And again, these are going to be from the same house that you just heard described, everybody.
	What do we have here, number two?
	Alright, this one, I need to explain.
	You're gonna hear the man, the owner, one of the owners of the house say, you can go and play in Derek's room, okay?
	And then you're gonna hear the kid say, okay.
	And then the owner will say, go ahead and go play.
	Well, the owner, there was no kid there at the time, at all.
	We had told the owner to refer to the ghost, which, the ghost of the kid, As being a living person.
	To talk to it like you would a living person.
	Just like it was a... Yeah, just not to treat it any differently than a living person.
	So, some of these voices, you're going to hear him talk like he's talking to somebody that's really there.
	Although, nobody... Well, obviously the voices... Obviously, the EVP shows that something was there.
	But, you know, we didn't see a kid at the time.
	Well, alright.
	Good enough.
	Here it comes.
	Let's all listen very carefully.
	Here we go.
	Okay?
	Go ahead and go play.
	Oh, wow!
	Oh, that was clearly, clearly, clearly a child, and clearly responding to a contemporary offer.
	You know, go play.
	Listen, listen.
	Oh, man, this is one of the better ones.
	Listen to this again.
	You can go ahead and play in Derek's room.
	Okay?
	Go ahead, go play.
	That was, that's one of the ones that in my mind is already in the category of almost
	too clear to believe.
	And I need to explain, as he's saying, go play in Derek's room.
	Derek is their son.
	And he was not there at the time, because we don't allow kids when we're doing investigations.
	So he was not in the house at the time.
	But this little boy has been reported being seen in this Derek's room.
	Aye, aye, aye.
	Because, of course, it's a little boy's room, so where else is a little boy gonna go?
	In fact, there's some automated toys that, uh, when the son hasn't been home, that'll start playing by themselves.
	They know that this little boy ghost is hanging out in the child's room.
	Uh, one more time.
	I've got to hear this one more time.
	You see, I don't hear these folks purposely until the show.
	I don't want to hear them because I want to react the way I think the audience might be reacting, and this one really grabs me.
	You can go play in Derek's room.
	Okay?
	Go ahead and go play.
	That's too much.
	That's really Too much.
	I mean, how do you all react when you hear... I mean, there's no mistaking that one.
	That is a child's voice.
	That is a child's voice.
	Straight out.
	No mistaking.
	No hiss on the tape.
	There is no tape.
	It's a child's voice.
	So... I know, Barbara, it troubles you kind of the way it troubles me.
	Well, yes.
	I still... Every time we record any children's voices, I almost expect now to always get children's voices for as many times as we have, but I still cannot understand why there are so many.
	Yeah.
	Unless it's their energy, or you know how much energy children have, I just cannot explain it, why there are so many.
	And they are definitely, there's no question about it, that they're Children's voices.
	Maybe it's easier as an adult to understand you're dead?
	Who knows what the moment of death, or more likely, the moment after death is like?
	And it may well be that we don't know for a period of time that we're dead.
	I believe that because of people having been pronounced clinically dead and being brought back and revived.
	People that have experienced that have said that they did not realize that they were dead until they saw their body.
	It was just like walking from one room to another.
	And there was no concept of being dead until they actually saw their physical body lying there.
	But a child... And so a child, I would imagine, does not realize they are dead when... I mean, an adult, for example, that is ill, That's correct.
	And that's the only thing I can think of why we do record so many children's voices is that they do not realize that they are dead.
	time is short, but a child would not have such an expectation.
	That's correct. And that's the only thing I can think of why we do record so many children's
	voices is that they do not realize that they are dead.
	Okay. Here comes number three, again I assume from the same house.
	Yes. In this clip, you're going to hear the homeowner, he's referring to his wife,
	She had felt some like a rush towards her the previous night before we had got there and felt She said it almost felt like she was being hugged like somebody hugged her around her stomach, you know, yes, and so you're going to hear the owner and he's referring to his wife and He'll say, did you hug her last night?
	And you're going to hear this child say, it be okay.
	Now Brendan, Brendan hears, it's gonna be okay, but I just hear it be okay.
	Alright, let's see what we hear.
	Here it comes.
	Did you hug her last night?
	I'm sorry.
	Oh boy, is that clear.
	Um, I think it be okay is what it sounds like.
	I want to, again, I've got to hear it.
	Here we go.
	Did you have your last night?
	Okay.
	Uh, it's, it's immaterial.
	It's going to be okay.
	It'd be okay.
	I don't know one or the other, but clearly, There's no way that's not a child's voice.
	That's a child's voice.
	Definitely a child.
	Yeah.
	I can only imagine that the two of you, even more, sitting around a table, running into these on the hard drive, must have totally freaked.
	Well, they're quite astounding.
	I mean, when you do record this type of thing, Sometimes it's astounding.
	No matter how many times you get EVP, when you hear these voices, you know, sometimes you're just completely blown away by it.
	But, you know, you're definitely correct, especially with the digital recorder.
	It really did blow us away.
	Just because we were expecting not to get anything.
	And especially to hear the clarity when we did get something, that really shocked us.
	Well, it's a big leap for the GIS to be moving into this, obviously, and for the program here, because the clarity is just... I mean, it's absolutely astounding.
	One last time, for my benefit.
	Did you have your last night?
	Now in the two, in the repeat, in the repeats it sounds like you brought the audio level
	up a little bit.
	Yes, we did.
	I amplified the last two loops on that.
	But you didn't otherwise process them?
	No, not at all.
	You don't need to.
	Oh boy.
	Alright, number four.
	Alright, well this one, I was with the homeowner.
	Um, and we were up in his bedroom, which is another place where he said he's seen the child.
	And he had one of his son's toys, because he knows that the ghost child seemed to like to play with his son's toys.
	And so he set the toy on the ground, and you'll hear him say, here, buddy.
	That would be the homeowner saying, here, buddy?
	The homeowner, yes, that's correct.
	Right after that you hear a child say and it sounds like the same child saying I see good good
	Here it comes Hey buddy.
	Oh my god. Oh god.
	Oh, God.
	I tell you, these are too much.
	These really are too much.
	These are the wildest ones you've ever come to me with yet.
	We're going to do this one more time.
	And there's a pause.
	There's a pause in that child's voice that's kind of creepy.
	It's kind of like a conclusive thing for the child.
	Good.
	Then, good.
	Listen very carefully one more time.
	Hey buddy.
	Let's see.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Okay.
	When you can hear the change
	in intonation in the child's voice in the second good.
	Oh my God, is that creepy.
	And he sounds so young.
	Yeah, he sounds just like a young boy, almost in a contemplative state at the end, where he's saying, good, good.
	I didn't even do it right, but I mean.
	You can't, you can't imitate it.
	There's that change in, well you're right, you can't imitate that, can you?
	That's a, oh man.
	Hey buddy.
	That's me. Okay. Okay. That's me. Okay. Okay. That's me.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Alright, now I could hear in the background, uh, very lightly in the background, I think I heard somebody else say something.
	Somebody was in the room, or I couldn't make it out, but I could hear some other sort of muffled voice compared to that.
	GIS member Roger was on the stairs talking at the time that that was recorded.
	To the lady of the house.
	Wow, you guys.
	I don't know how you do this.
	I just don't know how.
	Do we know who this child is?
	No, but we're trying to find out.
	How do you do that?
	I mean, do you begin then, do you look back into the history of the house and try and find a time when a family had a child that died in the home?
	Or how do you begin such a process?
	This is a new home that he has lived in for the last several years.
	He's the only owner.
	It's a new home?
	Yes.
	Well, then that rules that out.
	Could it be the property?
	I honestly don't think it has anything to do with the property or the home.
	I really believe it's him.
	I believe that being a funeral director, he has contacted the spirits.
	Okay, well then you have to go to him, I'm sure, and ask how many children in recent years he's... That he has buried.
	That's right.
	Yes.
	I asked him that when he called.
	Yeah, what we'll do is a few voices down here, voice number 8.
	We'll get into that a little bit more because it kind of goes along with the story of the voice.
	How is this man handling this?
	I mean, you know, it would be bad enough to think that you're haunted to the degree you'd pick up a phone and call somebody like GIS, but then to hear what GIS records in your home, that would be Over the top, totally.
	I mean, if you lived in that home, it's easy enough to sit out here in the audience and, you know, rationalize this away, but if you were the guy who had called you and then you heard this, and I presume you've played all these for him, right?
	No, we have not played these for him yet.
	Oh, you have not?
	No, we'll do that tomorrow night.
	We'll do it tomorrow night when we do our follow-up.
	Has it occurred to you that he might be listening?
	I doubt if he stays up this late.
	He's a business man and I don't think he stays up late.
	On top of that, they haven't been getting a whole lot of sleep lately just because of the activity that's been going on.
	Yeah, I can see that.
	Not only have they seen this child, they have also seen a man in a blue flannel shirt in the house.
	Oh.
	I don't believe that there's just one.
	I think that there is more than one there.
	So then what is the implication here that those who attend the dying, or no, excuse me, the dead, within a very short period of time of that death may have something attached to them?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I wouldn't be surprised.
	It would be interesting if there are any Other people that work in funeral homes tonight would let us know or let you know.
	I bet most of them are going to be unwilling to even talk about it.
	That's true.
	They definitely might be just because of the nature of their business.
	They don't want people to know that they experienced this.
	It's not something that you would want your past and potential customers to be aware of, is it?
	No.
	That is definitely correct and that's why we won't use this man's name.
	Thank you.
	I wonder if anybody else would be willing to come forward.
	Funeral home workers as well as those who manager own.
	Maybe some of the workers, the people who do the drudgery part of the work.
	I guess there is drudgery part of the work in that kind of a job.
	In that kind of job, I would think that many people experience ghost phenomena just because of the nature of their business.
	Has, I think I've asked you to this before, and I think I'll ask again now, but just to see if you've revised your opinion.
	Has this changed the way either of you wish your own personal deaths to be handled?
	No, not me.
	I feel like when my body dies, I want to be buried and, you know, I want the cheapest funeral possible.
	Cheapest box.
	I feel like how I am as a person will determine how my life is after I die.
	Okay, cheap box.
	Brendan?
	Well, I'm definitely going to have to agree with Barbara.
	I think the whole thing is how you act in life.
	I thought you were going for cremation.
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, that's just a personal preference, but I don't think it would affect anything.
	I've got you.
	All right.
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	Once upon a time when you were nine.
	That last EVP is haunting me.
	I'm not exactly sure why.
	I think it has to do with the obvious intonation, and it's clear enough, you know, that you can hear that child's voice pause in between words, meditate almost, and then add an intonation that makes it so unbearably dramatic if you listen very closely.
	You know, the man in the house says, here, buddy, as though he's talking to a child, and just listen.
	Just listen.
	Hey, buddy.
	Good.
	Good.
	Thank you.
	Good.
	Good.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	the world.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right, once again, welcoming GIS members Barbara and Brendan back to the program.
	Thank you.
	Well, Gee, I just don't know what to say about these.
	You've really taken it to another level with these recordings.
	Oh, definitely.
	I mean, I definitely, from the second we got our first voice with the digital recorder, I mean, I could tell automatically how much clearer it was and how much easier it was going to make it for us to hopefully understand what's being said.
	Do you think that it will bring with it any criticisms of, I don't know, more easily tampered with, for example, since it's in digital format when it's on a hard drive?
	Oh, of course.
	I mean... But we get criticized now, you know, and so it's not going to make too much difference as far as I'm concerned.
	Anytime you're dealing with this subject, I mean, you're open to criticism, and we expect that.
	Now, we should do this.
	We do it every program.
	You're not the only ones who can do this.
	I mean, if somebody thinks you're full of it, And they would like to take the trouble not just to express that emotion with some teary email they tear off or whatever, but rather go out and try it for themselves.
	They can do that, can't they?
	In other words, there's nothing...
	Y'all are pretty good at it because you've been doing it a long time, but somebody can go out and duplicate your results, right?
	That's correct.
	You can spend as much or as little money on this as you want and still get really, really good results.
	All you need, literally, is just a tape recorder, preferably with an external microphone.
	It clears up the voices.
	Obviously, a digital recorder works.
	I mean, we figured that out.
	Also, alternatively, you can go to our website, and we have a whole page describing just how to record EVP.
	Does that include the newer digital hard drive format?
	Yeah, I mean, literally, it's all virtually the same.
	You do it pretty much the same way.
	The biggest thing we can tell people is if you are using magnetic tape, to always use brand new tape, and to talk to them like they're regular people.
	I'm sorry.
	In other words, talk to a ghost as though it's alive.
	That's correct.
	Right now.
	I mean, ask it questions.
	Say, I know you're here.
	I mean, I know you can hear me.
	Ask what it's like where you're at.
	What's your name?
	I mean, things that you would ask to a normal person if you were just going to introduce yourself.
	Well, other than the child's voice that still haunts me and says it's cold and dark in here or whatever it was that child said, what have you two learned about what it is like on the other side?
	Really, not a whole lot.
	I think it demonstrates that you're still aware and you still have emotions.
	I think that's been proven beyond a doubt.
	Yes.
	You still have emotions after death.
	There's still a want and a need to try to communicate.
	They're obviously aware of us when we're there.
	They're probably, I guess they're aware that they suddenly have a means to communicate that they didn't have before you arrived.
	It would seem that way, but there's some voices where we don't hear anything from them again.
	And obviously, we mentioned this before, we're trying to utilize that real-time recorder that you kept bringing up to us.
	Well, sure.
	Are you experimenting with that?
	What we're talking about here, folks, is You could have a recorder where you'd have a record head and then you'd have a playback head active and you would actually hear in real time what was being said to you rather than having to take the recorder or the hard drive back and play it back and pick all of this out hours later.
	You'd have the ability to be truly interactive with the entity because you'd hear the entity voice within a second or two or three or four Of when it was said, so you could then respond and start to become interactive.
	That was the concept that I gave you all.
	Somebody provided you with some kind of machine, right?
	That's correct.
	A man named Christopher Helms has built us, well, initially he built us two real-time recorders.
	And, you know, we played some voices from them on the last show we did with you, and there were a couple bugs that needed to be worked out with tape delay and Background hiss and things like that.
	We're actually working on our fifth model right now.
	And, you know, just testing it, it is so much clearer than the previous models.
	This, of course, could also be done.
	It would require a little tricky electronics, but it could be done with a hard drive as well, by the way.
	Let's proceed.
	Number five.
	We're not going fast enough here.
	Number five.
	Okay, this next one, we had just entered into the house and you'll hear the homeowner say, oh let me close this door and then you'll hear this child say hi and it sounds like it giggles and then says hi again.
	Really?
	Uh, alright.
	Here we go.
	I'm really close to the door.
	Um...
	You don't get it.
	Alright, number one, clearly a child's voice.
	In this one, I can't so clearly identify that it is a giggle, necessarily.
	To me, it sounded like it was saying something, but I can't make out what it says.
	Brendan thought it might be a giggle.
	Let's all listen one more time.
	What is that in between?
	That could be a giggle.
	I mean, as easily as anything else, it's indiscernible to me what that is.
	But he says hi at the end.
	Yes, clearly a second hi.
	So it was hi, something, hi.
	And it really, it really does sound like a child's voice, doesn't it?
	Yes, sounds like the same little child.
	And there was, to be Completely clear, there was no child in the house.
	There was definitely no child in the house.
	We never allow children with us.
	For what reason?
	Well, you would not be able to tell if it was a child present or a ghost child if you recorded a voice for one thing.
	And on top of that, children are obviously scared of this.
	And we don't want to scare people with this.
	Well, you do a really good job.
	You're doing a job on me.
	So, I mean, you know that this scares people.
	How could this not scare people?
	Well, I mean, if it was me, this would be comforting.
	I mean, as weird as that sounds, this would be comforting to me if I was questioning, you know, if there was anything on the other side.
	Okay.
	Number six.
	All right.
	Well, this one, I was in the basement with the homeowner again.
	And you'll hear the voice, it's the child's voice again, at the very beginning of the clip.
	And you hear the child say, you daddy.
	And then next you will hear the homeowner say, now you've been recording for the voices.
	And he's talking to me, he's asking, so you've been recording for the voices?
	And then I kind of say, mm-hmm.
	Okay, but the child's voice is you daddy, huh?
	Yeah, and it's almost like he's referring, the child's referring to the homeowner.
	Okay, here we go.
	Now, you've been recording for the voices?
	That's you daddy.
	You daddy.
	I mean, you can clearly hear you daddy.
	That would imply I wonder what?
	You, Daddy, that the child thinks of this man as Dad?
	Or that the child might be communicating with, in fact, its father?
	That's possible, too.
	And you just picked that up?
	That could be the man that he has seen in the house.
	But it also may explain some of the attachment that this child has to the homeowner.
	You know, it may explain why the child has followed him to his house, because I honestly believe it was at one of the funeral homes that this man has visited.
	Well, if it is a child, and this child is trapped in this plane, and this child is trapped with a funeral home director, what steps does the GIS take Or do you ever take, or have you thought of taking?
	I mean, this is so sad in some ways that you want this child to move on rather than being trapped in this plane, if that's the case.
	Have you ever called anybody?
	I mean, I don't know, gee, a priest or somebody to try and assist this spirit of this child to move on?
	No, but there have been occasions when We have told them that they don't have to stay here.
	There was an occasion at one old torn down, or old run down theater that's been torn down since, but that had a lot of ghost activity in it, a lot of children's voices we recorded, some that we've played on your shows, and there was one particular night I told them that they do not have to stay here.
	There's no reason for them to be in this All right, let's move to number seven.
	Again, same house, same... What have we got here?
	On this one, you'll hear the homeowner say, oh really?
	And you'll hear this voice say, you don't have to tell me.
	And here we go.
	Oh really?
	Why are you cutting me off?
	You don't have to tell me.
	I think that's what I heard.
	You don't have to tell me.
	Is that what it was?
	Oh really?
	Why are you telling me this?
	You don't have to tell me.
	I'm not going to tell you.
	That's exactly what it sounds like, isn't it?
	You don't have to tell me.
	Some voices are clearer than other voices, aren't they?
	Correct.
	This one sounded like it was a little distance from the microphone to me.
	Yes.
	Yes, yes.
	But again, how is this being imprinted on the hard drive?
	Is it through the microphone?
	If you run a hard drive without a microphone, do you ever get EVPs?
	I don't know.
	This one does have an external mic with it.
	I understand.
	But it also has an internal mic.
	I guess the only way would be to somehow cut the mic and find out if anything recorded afterwards.
	Have you ever just run tapes without the benefit of a microphone over the years?
	Well, actually we did a couple of times and never received any results with it.
	But that would... Depends on what kind of microphone it is.
	That would imply that it's being imprinted upon the microphone itself.
	That's true.
	In some way.
	And you never received anything minus a mic, huh?
	That's correct.
	We never did.
	All right.
	On to number eight.
	All right.
	This voice is interesting because when I heard it, I was noticeably shaken by it.
	I couldn't believe that I did record it.
	The story that goes along with it is rather interesting, too.
	Sure.
	We'd walked into the house and we had been conducting the investigation.
	This is the same house for probably the last 40 to 50 minutes.
	And everybody in the GIS and the homeowners were upstairs.
	I decided to go downstairs by myself into the main level of the house.
	Right.
	And I walked into their living room area, which, as soon as you walk in, on the wall is a giant mirror.
	And that was the first thing that caught my eye was this mirror.
	If you look into it, you see the kitchen, which is directly behind you.
	It's almost in the same room.
	Right.
	Well, I walk in there, and...
	I'm looking around doing my thing, you know, asking, is anyone here, can you please talk with me, and that kind of thing.
	Sure.
	I look up into the mirror, and this is the second time I look at the mirror, and I swear I see a kid run behind me.
	In the kitchen.
	Oh.
	Directly behind me.
	Now, the interesting thing is, the kitchen has no doors whatsoever.
	And the second I saw it, I knew something wasn't right.
	I mean, I tried so hard to rationalize this, but I couldn't.
	And the other thing that bothered me is, you know, it happened pretty quick, but I realized when I looked at the kid, I only saw him probably from the shoulders up because he was so small, that his neck was on sideways.
	I mean, his head was actually on sideways.
	Oh, brother.
	I mean, his chin was on, he was running forward, but his head was facing towards me.
	His chin was almost on the back of his shoulder.
	I mean, his neck didn't look like it should be that way at all.
	Shades of the Exorcist.
	Shades of the Exorcist.
	Well, and actually, that's the only thing I can compare it to is that scene in The Exorcist where the head moves around.
	Yeah.
	That's what I thought.
	Gee, that sounds cheery.
	Alright, and so number eight here is what?
	Alright, well what you're going to hear is me say, is anyone here And then there'll be a slight pause, and then a voice comes in, and it's a child's voice, saying either, I'm game, or I'm Gabe.
	And at that time, that's right when I saw this thing in the mirror.
	And right after that, you'll hear me say, no way, because I'm trying to rationalize it, saying there's no way I just saw that.
	And then you hear the kid laughing.
	Oh my, here we go.
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	Oh, that one goes right over the top.
	Not only do you see the entity, the child, not only do you see it, but you hear it as well.
	We'll replay that one for you in a moment.
	I agree with Darren in Decatur, Illinois, who just ass-blasted me.
	Brendan's no way clinches it in that last clip.
	I would have totally freaked.
	Actually, I'm freaking anyway.
	I hear you, Darren.
	Here it is once again.
	This is not only interactive, but this is an entity sighted scene by Brendan as the conversation went on.
	Listen very carefully.
	The first one, First voice you hear is Brennan saying, as they usually do at GIS, is anyone here?
	You know, is anybody around?
	Listen to this.
	Is anyone here is the way it begins.
	Is anyone here?
	here. No way. No way. No way. I'm game is what the child says. I'm
	I'm game.
	And then the giggle.
	There's no possible mistake being made here.
	This is a child's voice.
	Yeah, Brendan, how did you handle that?
	Well, I personally, every time something happens to me, barring EVP, You know, I visually see something.
	I try my best to rationalize it.
	I mean, I try everything possible to rationalize it.
	And this, to me, is one of the few times I can't rationalize it.
	I cannot figure out any other explanation.
	We'll let the audience decide for themselves.
	Number nine.
	Okay, on this next one, you'll hear the lady of the house.
	The same house?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	She'll ask, what's your mom and dad's name?
	And the reply sounds like Oliver.
	Oh, really?
	All right, let's take a listen.
	All right, so here's the wife of this poor man who's had this fellow at home participating, asking, I guess on behalf of the GIS, what's your mom and dad's name?
	It does sound like Oliver.
	Yeah, it sure does sound like Oliver.
	It could be something else, but that's what I would have guessed as well.
	And again, the child's voice.
	Aye, aye, aye.
	It also, I don't know if you noticed, but at the beginning, before she starts to ask the question, it sounded like that child's voice at the beginning.
	Right at the beginning when she started to ask the question.
	Let me, let me do that again.
	Listen to the very beginning.
	You can hear the child's voice just before the question here.
	Listen very carefully.
	What's your mom and dad's name?
	I don't know.
	You're right. That child was saying something.
	Saying something at the same time.
	You're exactly right.
	It's the same tone and everything.
	Ooh, yeah, you're exactly right.
	It's the same tone and everything.
	I hadn't heard that until you pointed it out.
	Thank you.
	It's almost like the child got interrupted.
	Yes.
	How frequently does that occur in EVPs?
	That happens a lot.
	Really?
	It's very aggravating when, you know, we will talk over a voice.
	Yeah.
	Because you don't realize that they're saying something at the time.
	All right.
	Now we're moving on.
	And at number 10, what have we here?
	Well, number 10 was recorded in an old rundown hotel called the Parco Hotel in Wyoming.
	And the hotel itself was just amazing.
	It's just a huge hotel with nobody in it.
	The man who owns it was nice enough to let us stay overnight in the hotel.
	It was so weird because I almost felt like The Shining.
	We just had this whole hotel to ourselves.
	Did you think about going to find an axe or something?
	No.
	Although we did play 1930s style music in the ballroom to see if that would get anything going for us.
	Okay, so what have we got here?
	Alright, well this was recorded by GIS member Roger, and you're gonna hear Jenny say, GIS member Jenny, say, you know that beam right there?
	Is that what you're talking about?
	And then you'll hear a voice say, barber.
	Barber?
	Yeah, and it was recorded somewhere close to the barber shop that was inside this hotel.
	Oh, okay, here we go.
	Yeah, that was pretty clear.
	That's a man's voice, right?
	Yes.
	And it's clearly, I think, saying Barbara or Barb.
	It couldn't be Barbara.
	I didn't hear that much.
	It sounds like Barbara.
	Yeah, it sounds like Barbara.
	Ooh, weird.
	Okay, and number 11.
	This was also recorded in the same hotel by Roger.
	You're going to hear Barry, uh, GIS member Barry, say, that's just a piece of crap my kid let me use, and you're going to hear, uh, EVP, they were walking out of the ballroom, Roger and Barry, and you're going to hear somebody call after them, hurry back.
	Really?
	Alright, let's listen to this.
	That's just a piece of crap to be in my kitchen.
	I'll hurry back.
	That's it. Same man's voice, clearly saying hurry back.
	Same guy.
	Yeah.
	Hurry back.
	I'll hurry back.
	I'll hurry back.
	Same guy.
	Hurry back.
	Well, you know, maybe these entities really do like...
	You know, I mean, often that other... on the other side, obviously they're not noticed or, you know, even imagined
	frequently to be present by the living.
	That's correct.
	And so maybe they're real happy to have somebody around who... I think many of them do enjoy having people around.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	You know they're there and they know that you know.
	And that's really, really interesting.
	But I don't know.
	I don't think I'd go stay in a hotel like that.
	But it's got to be better than a graveyard.
	All right.
	On to number 12.
	All right.
	Well, in this one, we're in a graveyard.
	Me and GIS member Barry were walking around in a cemetery in Wyoming, and I had made a comment that a lot of the headstones we were passing were Mason headstones.
	And I said, I bet this whole place was built by Masons.
	And then you hear Barry.
	You won't hear that part, but you hear what happens right after.
	I ask Barry, are you recording?
	And then he says, yes.
	And I say, good, because I'm sure you just got a voice.
	You know, being kind of sarcastic.
	Yes.
	And a voice comes in that sounds like it says, I'm sure.
	Uh-huh.
	The Masons, huh?
	The Masons.
	All right, here we go.
	You recording?
	There's some crazy dumb voice.
	I'm here.
	Now I'm trying to pin down, does that sound like a woman's voice?
	It sounds like an older woman to me.
	Yeah, that's the way it hit me too.
	An older woman.
	Uh, one more time.
	Can you record him?
	Yeah.
	He's got a voice.
	Good job, boy.
	I'm good.
	I'm sure.
	And uh, so indeed, you got the voice.
	Yes, he did.
	Okay.
	We just need to keep moving.
	We've been talking so much.
	Number 13.
	This was recorded up in Idaho at an old school that's now a museum.
	You'll hear the gentleman that brought us there.
	Uh, saying there's a lot of neat history behind the building, and we were walking along the side of the building outside, but we, uh, voice, there was a voice that told us to get out.
	Get out?
	Get out?
	Oh, really?
	Get out?
	Alright, let's listen.
	There's a lot of history behind the building.
	Get out.
	There's a lot of history behind the building.
	Get out.
	Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
	When you get back, of course you don't hear that at the moment, it's said, but when you get back to the GIS office, whatever that is, and you sit down and you have dredged this up, particularly in that tone of voice, do you make it a policy not to go back to that place?
	No.
	You don't?
	I will always go back.
	Really?
	Haven't you ever worried that such a decision you could live or die to, you know, regret?
	Well, it hasn't happened yet, so... And we've been on plenty of investigations where we've been told to get out, and we still go back and have been fine, so... I think people's fear is what would injure them worse than any typical ghost activity.
	To you, maybe typical ghost activity.
	Not to me.
	I mean, when you... Mark, I want you to go out with us sometime.
	Oh, yeah, right.
	I'll make plans now.
	Can't we have a nice, like a night like tonight, see where there's a big full moon and like I was describing to some caller earlier, you know, a mist that covers about half the headstones so thick you can't even see your feet, right?
	We would give you a whole different perspective.
	Yeah, I'm sure it would.
	I'll put that on the, I'm thinking about it in the gray box.
	All right, number 14.
	All right, well, this one was recorded at the same school, and you're going to hear a child's voice at the very beginning, and we're not sure what the child's saying.
	Okay.
	And then you're going to hear a man named Chris say, I think that house probably should have, and then he kind of drowns out, and I didn't even transcribe what he was saying.
	So the child's voice at the beginning is the most important part.
	Okay, that's what we're listening for the very beginning?
	Yes.
	And you're not sure what it says?
	Uh, we're not.
	I've listened to it over and over again and I just can't figure it out.
	But it is a child's voice.
	Well, let's see if we can get it.
	I can't get that either.
	I can't get that either.
	I can't make it out.
	I mean, it almost seems like it's talking extremely fast.
	You think so?
	Yeah, well, just playing it over and over again, that's how it sounds.
	All right, let's hear it one more time now, listening for something very fast.
	I think that howl play should have... What?
	I think that howl play should No, I know.
	I can't say that I hear a lot of speed there, and I can't make out what I do hear, so I'll just put a big question mark by that one, but that is a child's voice.
	That's about all I can say.
	Number 15.
	This was recorded by Roger.
	We were at a cemetery, and he had said something funny.
	You'll hear Jenny Laughing and she's saying, I think I'm going to go sit it back in the car because the mosquitoes were so bad.
	And this one is quite comical.
	You'll hear a woman.
	It's she sings so long.
	She sings so long?
	It sounds like she's singing and she says so long.
	Ha ha, guess I've got it here.
	Well, I don't know if I heard the singing part.
	I clearly heard the so long.
	That wasn't hard to hear.
	Let me let one more time.
	All right, so the so long is very clear.
	I don't know if I heard the singing part, but so long definitely was what that lady said.
	And that was a lady's voice, right?
	Yes.
	So long.
	Again, this comes pretty close to the interactive contemporary statement.
	I mean, you're going to get in the car, that's goodbye time, and so long.
	That's correct.
	And to me, that's one of the most fascinating aspects of EVP.
	To me, that's one of the most worrisome aspects of EVP.
	Well, I mean, that's all on your own personal... Well, yeah, it is, but look, it indicates to me that they've died, and that they're still hanging around the cemetery, waiting for you all to get there.
	Now, I know that you say, or you've said in past shows, that cemeteries are not necessarily any better or worse for gathering these sorts of things, but then you keep going to the cemeteries, so they must be better.
	Well, there's particular ones that are better.
	I mean, we've gone to cemeteries and it has not yielded EVP, you know, at certain places, you know.
	But there are some that do give you good EVP.
	well than that i would say i'm just gonna guess in the in all the shows
	that we've done sixty percent maybe seventy percent sixty to seventy
	percent of the evps we played on this program
	have come from cemeteries
	well and to be honest though a lot of that was from one or two
	I mean, over and over again, because we go back there so much because of the results we've gotten previously.
	Well, I know, but in a way you're destroying your own earlier argument that cemeteries aren't all that special.
	Well, no, because like Barbara was saying, there's some where we get absolutely nothing.
	I mean, there's some where we could sit there for two hours and get no voices at all.
	May I ask this?
	Have you made any correlation between, for example, I was in Paris and I went to a very, very, very old cemetery.
	I mean, you know, 1600s, 1500s, people who died really a long time ago, right?
	And I wonder if you would get as many EVPs in a cemetery of that nature as you would
	where there have been people recently taken down.
	You know, very recently taken down.
	Any comments?
	Well, you know, to be honest, I think you would in older cemeteries.
	And the reason is not so much... Well, let me put it this way.
	I think a lot of the reason we do get voices in certain cemeteries is the emotion that's involved in it.
	I think that ghosts feed on emotion, and what better place to have emotion than in a cemetery?
	And cemeteries that have been around longer have obviously more emotion built up.
	There's been more families that have visited graves.
	Yes, I know, but if your other contention is that you're still conscious on the other side, you're still aware, you still have emotions and feelings and thoughts and awareness of self, Then that's pretty frightening, because even in the very old cemeteries, those entities are still there.
	Yes, I really don't believe they have that much of a concept of time.
	I mean, and I've said that.
	Yeah, but we do.
	Well, we do, yes, and that could frighten us.
	It does.
	And honestly, I don't think that's something that we can understand.
	I mean, I don't think there's any way we can understand it.
	Hold on.
	We're here at the top of the hour.
	There is no way that I understand it.
	I am, however, amazed by it.
	The eagle flies, rode his wings cross autumn skies Kissed the sun, touched the moon
	But he left me much too soon, his ladybird He left his ladybird
	Ladybird, come on down I'm here waiting on the ground
	Lady Murdoch preaching good luck.
	Ah, Lady Bird, I wish you would.
	And then your wife seemed to think you're part of the furniture
	Oh, isn't beauty a thing?
	You used to be so nice Lonely days turned to lonely nights
	You take a trip to the city lights Take the long way home
	You never see what you wanna see You're ever flamed to the gallery
	You ever see what you wanna see?
	Or ever fling to the gallery?
	You take the long way home When you're up on the stage it's so unbelievable
	You take me long ways You take me long ways
	When you're up on the stage it's so unbelievable Oh, I don't care at all
	I may adore you But then your wife seems to think you're losing your sanity
	Oh, but I'm a dupe With an old way out
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	There is one particular cut I'm not going to identify right now, but I will before the hour's out that just is going to haunt me until the day I die that I've heard tonight.
	I guess it's different, you know, for everybody.
	We will allow GIS members Barbara and Brendan To answer your questions is ours.
	As soon as we go through the balance of what we've got to do, and that's a little bit here, so we'll get to it as quickly as we can.
	I know a lot of you have questions.
	How can you not, after what you've heard?
	creepy creepy creepy stuff Once again back to the ghost investigators society the GIS
	I guess.
	Barbara Macbeth and of course Brendan and I don't know what to say.
	There really was one earlier that just will haunt me forever and we'll come back to it this hour but I guess we've got to get through what we can here.
	Number 16.
	Is that where we are?
	Number 16?
	Alright, what can you tell me about it?
	Alright, well this one was recorded in the cemetery and it was recorded by GIS member Roger And in this clip, you'll hear me say about every cemetery in northern Utah, and I'm referring to that we've probably been to every cemetery in northern Utah.
	Oh.
	And you hear a child say what sounds like choo-choo or big deal.
	Choo-choo or big deal, one of the two, huh?
	Yeah, I hear choo-choo, but Barbara hears big deal.
	Let's see what we hear. What do you think it said Barbara?
	I think he's saying, big deal.
	Big deal.
	Let me try listening for it that way.
	...about every cemetery in northern Egypt.
	...
	You know, it's funny, um...
	If I try and listen for one thing, I hear it.
	And then if I try and listen for... Something else, you hear that?
	I also hear that.
	Yes, I do.
	Yes, I do.
	I guess we can all have disputes about what it is being said at times, although some of them are so damn clear you can't.
	Yeah, there's no question about it.
	But with others we can dispute about what it is it's said, but not about the manner in which it's gathered and what it is that we're hearing.
	That's the important thing really, isn't it?
	Yes, there's a voice there that should not be there, and it's different than any kind of transmitted voice on uh... airwaves or anything now once again uh...
	i'm gonna nail you down here uh... not that you got all that many cemeteries
	but uh... you were just commenting weren't you you've been to about every
	cemetery northern utah or did i get that part wrong Well, no.
	We do go to a lot of cemeteries, but that's not to say we record things in every cemetery.
	We'll try them out and see.
	But the thing is, we also like cemeteries.
	I mean, I think they're just beautiful places in the first place.
	They're easy, accessible, you know.
	You can do it day or night.
	You don't have to record just at night time to get EVP.
	You can record during the day also.
	And you don't get more at night than day?
	No, we've gotten some fantastic ones in broad daylight, so the time doesn't matter.
	I guess it's just human beings who attach the darkness with the fear, with the There's less noise at night.
	They don't know day from night, do they?
	No, if they're there, they're there.
	There is less noise at night time.
	There's not as much traffic.
	You're not having to be bothered by other people in the cemetery at night time.
	Other than that, you can still record EVP during the day.
	This one was recorded by Roger at Parco Hotel, and you'll hear Barry say, he was talking to me, and he says, remember that you said they used to make them smell nice, he was talking about potpourri.
	He used potpourri for fragrance, you know, in the olden days.
	Yes.
	And you'll hear, I was fooling around with my camera, I wasn't paying too much attention, and I kind of stand around and say yes.
	And then you'll hear somebody say, forget it.
	Forget it, huh?
	Alright, let's see if that's what we hear.
	Now, you know, this is another case of the EVP getting mixed up with something else being said by somebody.
	Right in the background.
	Right?
	Yeah, the EVP was talking over one of the other members.
	I bet that just drives you crazy.
	And I bet it does.
	How many times have you had really good EVPs mixed up?
	There's been quite a lot that we do, and it really does drive us nuts.
	I mean, there's nothing you can do about it.
	No, there really isn't, because you've got to solicit.
	You feel that the solicitation for whoever's there or whatever is there to talk.
	Uh, is an important part of the whole thing, right?
	Oh, definitely.
	Definitely.
	That's, I think, one of the most important parts of it is to talk to them.
	Early on in the projects that, you know, going to cemeteries is worth, did you all try the other, in other words, just sitting there in utter, absolute silence, or even taking a tape recorder and just leaving it on a headstone all night long, coming back the next morning and getting it?
	Yes.
	And we got absolutely nothing.
	Really?
	Huh.
	That's really interesting.
	It's like, you know, if you don't talk to people, more than likely they're not going to talk to you.
	Gotcha.
	Number 18.
	All right.
	This voice was recorded by a man named Joe Bowman.
	He's the same guy that donated the digital recorder to us.
	Oh, yes.
	And you'll hear him say, should I keep this going?
	He actually came out here to meet with us so we could show him how to do ghost investigations.
	Okay.
	And you hear him say, should I keep this going, referring to his recorder, and I say, yeah, I probably, or he says, yeah, I probably should, right?
	And I say, yeah, you take it with you everywhere.
	And I kind of sigh, because we're outside of a mausoleum, and I'm just lighting up a cigarette, and this man sounds like he says, great choice, and almost kind of an accent.
	Uh, really?
	Let's listen to this.
	Should I keep this going?
	Yeah, I probably should, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	Take it with you everywhere.
	Maybe the great choice means going digital.
	Yeah, it could be.
	It could be very well.
	And that was the voice of the man who brought you this digital means, is that correct?
	Yeah, the first voice was that of the guy that donated this to us.
	How very nice.
	It was, it was definitely nice.
	Wonderful of him.
	He didn't bring it all the way from Great Britain, did he?
	No, actually he's from L.A.
	He's from L.A.?
	Well, technically he is from London, but he lives in L.A.
	now.
	I see.
	So at least he didn't have to travel all that far.
	No.
	This is going to make a big difference in the future programs, the quality of the programs that we do.
	You realize that, of course?
	Oh, definitely.
	I realized that when I was putting this CD together.
	So then will you now, do you think you will be transitioning to more to digital?
	Well, we've all talked about getting digital recorders.
	We're still going to use the regular cassette tapes as well, just to have another recording medium going at the same time.
	How frequently, when you have two or more recording recording mediums going are you able to record the same EVP but you know on separate devices like perhaps a video recorder and an audio recorder?
	It happens quite frequently and the things that the times that we don't record when someone does record an EVP and everyone is standing in close proximity and doesn't pick it up that's what I find fascinating.
	Yeah, that's more interesting.
	When it doesn't happen, you mean?
	Yeah, when it only picks up on one recorder and the other... And should have recorded on at least one other one.
	And it doesn't.
	Can you assign a percentage to us?
	I mean, what percentage of the time is recorded on both versus not?
	I couldn't even guess.
	It happens where it's recorded on More than one, most of the time.
	But there are the occasions that it is only picked up by one.
	Okay, but more than not.
	Right.
	Okay, well that's even more concerning.
	Alright, number 19.
	This one was recorded by Roger at the Parco Hotel, and he was talking to a woman that we were asked to talk to some of the people in town.
	He was asking a woman if, he says, you want to wait a little longer for other people to show up.
	And this EVP comes in kind of either cranky or sarcastic and says, well, yes.
	Because she hadn't answered.
	So the EVP is, well, yes.
	Yes.
	Alright, let's listen.
	Are you going to wait a little longer?
	Well, yes.
	Well, I'll give it a shot.
	Well, I'll give it a shot.
	Ha ha ha ha, that's a pretty good one, let's...
	Let's hear that one more time.
	There is some emotion behind that.
	well yes. Are you going to wait a little longer? Well, we'll forgive you. Well, we'll forgive you. Well, we'll forgive
	you. There's definite emotion behind that.
	That's pretty good.
	That's a good one.
	You know, but that would suggest that there's everything on the other side.
	We could still call it, even if it's not a final destination, it's still for us the other side, right?
	Yes, it is.
	The other side of life.
	Yes.
	A different form of life.
	Yeah, a different form of life.
	Alright, number 20.
	All right, well, number 20, we've played this on your show once before.
	Oh, really?
	And we've had people ask us to play it again because they liked it, apparently.
	Okay.
	GIS member Jenny recorded this inside of a mausoleum, and I think you'll recall it.
	It's a woman saying, plastic eyes.
	All right, and is it just the EVP we've got on tape?
	You can hear people talking in the background, but nothing's intelligible out of it.
	Okay, let's listen.
	Plastic eyes.
	Plastic eyes.
	One more time.
	Plastic eyes.
	One more time.
	Plastic eyes.
	And again for me, it could be plastic eyes or it could be something else, I'm not sure.
	or it could be something else, I'm not sure.
	I wonder why people requested that particular one.
	Well, I think a lot of what it has to do with is after we recorded it, Barbara called a mortician that works at this mausoleum and asked if plastic eyes has any meaning.
	And he said they use plastic eyes when they're preparing the bodies.
	They, because I guess the eyes sink in after, you know, so long.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	So they were maybe complaining about plastic eyes.
	That's correct.
	Alright, now I do want to hear it again.
	Let's listen.
	Uh, see now I don't like that one at all.
	I never thought about that before, you know, until we recorded this voice.
	Yeah, until you just told me what that might mean, it didn't bother me.
	And I think that's why so many people want to hear it, because... Yeah, obviously.
	Listen, before it gets too late here, everybody's going to want to know how to contact you.
	And there is a way to contact the two of you, right?
	In fact, GIS General, right?
	Yes.
	Generally?
	There's actually a couple ways to contact us.
	You can go to the website, which is www.ghostpics.com.
	And we've got a link up, of course, for that, as always.
	Yes.
	Or you can email us at thegistghostpics.com, or you can actually go to the homepage and email each individual member personally.
	But wait a minute, thegistghostpics, that's G-H-O-S-T-P-I-X?
	That's correct.
	P-I-X dot com?
	You've got your own domains, you've got your own email address, and that's the, T-H-E, G-I-S, George India Sugar, Ghost Investigators Society, at ghostpicspix.com.
	That would be email or just go to the website.
	And you can also contact us by postal mail at P.O.
	Box 2383 Layton, Utah 84041-9383.
	L-A-Y-T-O-N, Layton?
	L-A-Y-T-O-N.
	Utah.
	Utah 84041-9383.
	84041-9383.
	84041-9383.
	So let me read it.
	P.O.
	Box 2383, Layton, L-A-Y-T-O-N, Utah.
	84041-9383.
	Is that correct?
	That's correct.
	We've got one more, and so let's squeeze it in quickly.
	Let me read it.
	P.O.
	Box 2383, Layton, L-A-Y-T-O-N, Utah, 84041-9383.
	Is that correct?
	That's correct.
	We've got one more, and so let's squeeze it in quickly.
	Number 21.
	This was recorded by Brendan with the digital, and we were at this old school up in Idaho,
	and you'll hear Brendan say, Will you let us know you're here?
	Actually, Jenny says, Will you let us know you're here?
	Oh, Jenny.
	It was Jenny.
	Will you let us know you're here?
	And the voice says, I can talk.
	Oh.
	I can talk.
	Ah, on what medium was this recorded?
	This was a digital recorder.
	This was digital.
	Alright, here we go.
	go let's see.
	Alright it said I can talk.
	I can talk.
	And that's not that hard to make out.
	listen again. It's kind of an eerie, I can talk though.
	It's kind of a, I don't know.
	It's almost like a drawn out sound.
	I mean, it's almost like a drawn out word.
	Yeah, but it was still clearly I can talk.
	It's clear to me that this digital format, this hard drive thing, is going to take over completely.
	I mean, there's so much better than what we've had in the past that it's just going to take over, I'm sure of it.
	That's true.
	Quality-wise, I mean, you just can't compare it.
	So you guys are now like that commercial where the guy's, you know, happily smiling going home with a P5 computer while the guy pastes the P6 computer thing up on the sign, right?
	Yep.
	In other words, eventually all your equipment is going to be totally, totally Useless.
	Not useless, but you've got to go get new equipment.
	Yeah.
	It'll save us a fortune on tapes if we do.
	All right.
	Hold on.
	We'll come back if it's okay with you and ask some questions.
	Let the audience ask some questions.
	Sounds great.
	Stay right there.
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	You ever notice I pick a lot of doors music for programs like this?
	Have you ever noticed?
	Remember that story about Paris that I told you about?
	Paris?
	My wife and I went to visit a cemetery.
	Well, you might be interested to know, the cemetery we went to, we went way out of our way in suburban Paris to go there.
	It was eerie.
	A very, very old cemetery.
	It was the cemetery where Jim Morrison was buried.
	We actually went to visit that cemetery to visit the gravesite of Jim Morrison, which in fact, we did.
	Alright, I said I would very quickly identify the one that totally freaks me out, and I'm going to do it again right now.
	Okay?
	It's number four that got me, and gets me, and always will get me, I guess.
	There's something about it.
	This was recorded digitally.
	It's very clear.
	It's clearly, obviously a child.
	And this child is in a moment of internal reflection.
	And you can hear it in the voice, because the child says, You know, the man of the house says, uh, here, buddy, putting a toy down.
	And the child clearly says, I see.
	Good.
	And there's a pause.
	And that's the reflective, thoughtful moment that just grabbed me by the privates and shook me around for a while here when I heard it.
	And then says good again.
	Listen very closely to the intonation.
	Hey buddy.
	Don't leave.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Don't leave.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Don't leave.
	Okay.
	Do you understand why that one hit me so?
	Do you know why that one hit me so?
	Well you, I mean obviously it's, well first of all any of the kids voices is somewhat troublesome.
	Yeah.
	But that one I mean, it definitely shows there's some kind of consciousness behind it.
	I mean, behind what's being said.
	Yeah, those aren't just words.
	They're emotions, consideration, thoughtfulness.
	Everything was in that pause.
	There's a lot in human speech that you can hear.
	It was all in that pause.
	All right.
	Well, look, go to the lines we shall.
	Let's do this.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with GIS.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I had two questions for you.
	Okay, where are you by the way?
	I am on my cell phone.
	I'm in Black Brook, Wisconsin.
	Okay, go ahead.
	First one is, have you ever tried using video instead of just audio?
	Oh yes, we use video every time.
	Have you ever picked anything up on it?
	Oh yes, we have recorded EVP on video and Well, I think he's actually asking, have you ever recorded anything visually, as in what Brendan says he saw during this one EVP?
	Yes.
	Yes, we have.
	And have you put those on your website?
	Yeah, we have, I think, about 23 examples of video that we've recorded on the website.
	That's what you meant, right, Caller?
	Yeah, that was the first thing I had to ask.
	Okay.
	The second thing was, on number 14 on your recordings, I I don't know if I could hear it real clear, but that was the one that you couldn't really make out.
	The child?
	I thought it... I thought it somewhat sounded like the child saying, I don't know.
	Really?
	Really?
	Uh, okay.
	Uh, let's see.
	I think that house play should have... What?
	I think that I don't hear that.
	I don't hear that either.
	That's very, very interesting though.
	It's interesting to see the way people interpret things.
	But you could be hearing it correctly, but I don't hear it.
	Okay.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with the GIS.
	Hi.
	Hi Art.
	I've got a good theory why it's a lot of kids.
	Okay, good.
	Okay, yeah, now here's the thing.
	The Bible talks about the age of accountability when a child reaches that age when it's no longer purely innocent and it knows that it's doing right for wrong.
	We have talked about that amongst ourselves.
	Yeah, now there's also other guests have theorized that possibly the ghostly realm might be like the highest level of hell or what we would call, you know, the grand scheme of hell.
	Now, a lot of these kids are dying right after they hit the age of accountability, which is like around eight or nine.
	It's going to vary for different people because everybody's a little different.
	But if they're dying right when they hit the age of accountability or just shortly thereafter, they haven't had enough time to do a lot wrong in life.
	So they're getting stuck in this upper realm of hell.
	And that's why they're getting so many kids.
	Just a quick question.
	How do you determine the age of accountability to be 8 or 9?
	Well, this is what the experts who study this stuff, I mean, most people know that when a kid is 4 or 5, they really, you know, they're innocent.
	They don't know that they're doing wrong, but at a certain point... But if your logic is correct, then a child of 9 or 10 who commits murder should face penalties as a full adult if they've got accountability.
	Well, yeah.
	Well, don't shoot the messenger.
	I didn't set up the system.
	I'm just saying, you know, this is one possibility that if these are kids that have hit that age of accountability, but haven't had enough time to do a whole lot wrong, they are getting stuck in this realm.
	I'm not the one who set it up.
	Don't blame me for it.
	Well, and that's true.
	I mean, as Barbara said, this is something that we've talked about.
	In fact, it was just brought up tonight while we were all sitting around the table discussing voices.
	And it's definitely something we've thought about.
	The only thing is, I mean, everything with EVP is theory.
	I mean, you know, that could be it, that might not be it.
	I mean, there might be some other reasons, but I mean, it's as good a theory as any.
	It actually is a really good theory.
	You know, in some dark ways, I agree with that caller, that by 8 or 9, you do acquire a sense of right and wrong.
	But to really believe that, then you have to believe in shifting severe penalties very much lower than they are now.
	We have recorded voices that sound much younger than 8 or 9.
	We've recorded voices that some of them sound like about 3 or 4.
	Just after they've been talking for a little bit.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS.
	Hi.
	Hi, Eric.
	Hello to your guests this morning.
	These people give me my favorite shows.
	I just love these shows.
	Yes, sir.
	Okay, first of all, earlier you were talking about trying to record without using microphone.
	There's a way of doing it.
	If you cut the plug off of a broken microphone, plug it in, you've got no microphone.
	It cuts off the mic.
	That's true.
	So you're using just a dead line.
	Yeah, and that's something I think we're going to try with the digital.
	Mentioned before, we did try it with regular tape recorders and never received any results with it.
	Although admittedly, we really didn't try it for very long.
	But we're not going to do it with this tape recorder.
	Yeah.
	Just being able to find an old junk mic that you can cut the plug off of.
	And for number 14, what I am hearing, I'm using an earbud so I'm getting a very clear sound.
	I'm hearing in our house, it sounds like he's asking, If this is in our house.
	In our house.
	The only way to test that, unfortunately, is to listen again.
	Actually, that was number 15.
	He wanted number 14.
	Actually, that was number 15.
	He wanted number 14.
	I am so sorry.
	I think that half a place should have...
	What?
	I don't know, where is that house?
	In our house?
	In our house?
	You still hear it, Caller?
	Yeah.
	No, I can hear that.
	In our house?
	It's like he's asking it with an emphasis on, in our house?
	I can, I can almost hear that one.
	Um, Caller, just a question.
	How does all this affect you?
	Actually, I'm going to do this.
	My son just bought a brand new miniature tape recorder, and I'm going to be taking that out, and I'm going to try this.
	I find it fascinating.
	It is fascinating.
	A little scary, but fascinating.
	I can't tell you, I know I've had hundreds of people who have emailed me after these shows who have gone out and tried it, And they're all sending me these MPEG-3s.
	What's it got, you know?
	Can I tell you of one that happened to me back in the 60s that was really scary?
	Yeah.
	I was taping a Beatles song, Strawberry Fields, and while it was taping, it was just taping normal off, you know, off the radio or off whatever I was taping it from, and it said, let me take you down, and then suddenly the tape recording itself stopped, it sounded like, and it said, In the water.
	And then it went... Let me take you down in the water.
	And then continue the song.
	Yeah, but you know, though... I just about flipped.
	Yeah, I know.
	But they, you know what?
	They screwed with their own records.
	And there's a lot of disc jockeys, and I think people involved in the music industry, in the broadcast side of it, who screwed with those records, too.
	That's just an opinion.
	What do you guys think?
	Well, I can see this jockey doing that.
	Oh, I did it.
	If you're not there and seeing what's happening at the studio, that would be a hard call.
	I mean, trust me, eventually sheer boredom playing records all the time causes you to become creative.
	Yeah, you have creative energy that's being wasted, and so you apply it occasionally in ways like that.
	So I don't know.
	I don't know.
	As I said, even the artists mess with that one.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	This is Susie from San Diego County.
	Hello, Susie.
	Nice to meet you guys.
	This is so interesting.
	I love this because I have a little angel of my own, and it's kind of hard for parents Well, you were talking about you don't know why you have so many ghost children, and it's kind of hard for us parents to let go of our children.
	Yes, and I think that might be one cause of it.
	Yeah, because my experience with my child, I lived 30 years in Mexico, and they have a culture for the dead, which is coming up pretty soon, the 2nd of November.
	Right.
	And I learned so much, I had so much, I'm very I'm very happy and proud of what I learned down there.
	And when my boy was dying, I was fortunate enough to be there with him.
	He was 11 years old, and his case was kind of irreversible, and I was holding his hand.
	That's all I wanted to do, because I didn't want to hug him.
	I didn't want to keep him here, because it's time for him to go.
	So I kept on telling him, you know, because I knew he was one step here and one step there, and I kept on telling him, You have to go with your father who died three years ago.
	Take your father by the hand and go up to heaven, as we know here.
	You know, we don't know how to explain this, and they know better than we do.
	Go up to heaven and take your father with you by the hand.
	Now, I've known some very spiritual people who have seen me afterwards, you know, with these two people behind me, a small figure and a large figure, and they were holding hands.
	And I know another thing, also, that when you dream about somebody who has passed away, you're actually living that with them, because I had that experience with my husband after he died.
	There was something pending that we had to do, and it didn't happen, and two weeks later after he died, it happened in a dream.
	Now, if I may, could I ask you a question?
	Yes, sir.
	When you hear these voices, how does that make you feel?
	About the little boy, I've been thinking, it just gave me the chills and it also made me feel sad for this little boy because I feel that his father or mother or his parents didn't want to let him go.
	Now if you yourself could find out who this little boy was, or this owner of the mortuary, go investigate who died there in the mortuary, a young boy.
	Maybe his family has a videotape of his voice, and you can compare it with the voice that's on your digital tape.
	Yeah, and like we said before, we did ask the funeral director if he can remember burying any young children.
	He said he's going to look back on records and check on them.
	Yeah.
	And tomorrow, hopefully, we'll find out a little bit more.
	Yeah, let us know, because I'm very concerned about this little child.
	Oh, definitely.
	Because I know I helped my little boy make his way to where he had to go.
	And actually in the hospital everybody was around me crying and everything and I was totally concentrating on him and helping him.
	I gave him strength to live while he was in this bad state and I also gave him strength to go on to the other world and I know God gave me the strength and now I know I can do anything.
	My little boy after he died he just gave me so much strength and wisdom and he's still giving me every day.
	I'm sure you're absolutely right about that.
	If she could go through what she just described she went through with her child, that lady can get through anything.
	I can't.
	It doesn't get any worse.
	I can't even imagine that.
	Yeah, neither can I. So, she'll get through anything.
	That's good spirit, I heard there.
	Good spirit.
	Alright, first time caller on the line.
	You're on the air with the GIS.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, sir.
	Yeah, hi.
	Actually, I've got to say, I really like your show.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, we work late, so we get off a little late.
	Really, not to keep rehashing old things, but the 14, I agree with the last caller that I think it was an inquisitive statement that the child might have been making on the track 14.
	Yes.
	But it sounds like, like I said, I could be just as wrong as everybody else, it sounds like the kid's saying, I believe, like, they're back.
	Like, inquisitive, like they're back again, so to speak.
	Because I think that, what was 13?
	Wasn't 13 saying something along the lines of, How do you feel about what you're hearing?
	So that's what I think of it as the same schoolhouse.
	It makes sense that the kid was saying they're back.
	Like they're back again.
	All right.
	Having said all this, sir, how do you feel about what you're hearing?
	I mean, what is it, what you're hearing, what does that mean to you?
	Personally, I've always believed in the afterlife.
	So to me, it doesn't change anything.
	I think there's life after death and I think some people get caught between both worlds.
	And you think that's what we're hearing?
	Yeah, I think so.
	I think they're still caught in the schoolhouse, maybe went to school one time, or lived at one time, or whatever.
	I think everybody's got a... some people just aren't ready to let go, is the only way to put it.
	And there's still a presence there, still a soul, or different things.
	I mean, I know... Does it bother you at all?
	No, it doesn't bother me.
	I think it's fascinating, really.
	It is, isn't it?
	Oh, it is, but I don't think it's anything you should be scared of.
	I mean, not that there's probably not evil entities out there somewhere either, but I don't think it's something you should be scared of.
	Do you think that loved ones hold the dead here by not releasing them?
	There are a lot of people who believe that.
	I think that's one possibility.
	I don't think that's the only reason you get ghosts or spirits or anything, but I think that's one possibility that happens.
	I mean, I can give you a quick, for instance, My great-grandmother, when my father died, he actually had pulled the plug, so to speak, and he was in a coma after an accident.
	When they pulled the plug at the same time of the day, the doorbell at my great-grandmother's house rang five or six different times over the course of ten minutes.
	Every time I answered the door, it would stop, and there was nobody there.
	Yeah, I've heard a million stories like that.
	Thank you.
	We're so out of time.
	I'm so sorry.
	We're short on time.
	Enough time for you guys to give out.
	What do you want to give out most?
	Your web address?
	over the house at the same time that they pulled the plug.
	Yeah, I've heard a million stories like that.
	Thank you.
	We're so out of time.
	I'm so sorry.
	We're short on time.
	Enough time for you guys to give out.
	What do you want to give out most, your web address?
	Yeah, just the website address.
	OK.
	www.ghostpix.com.
	That's www.ghostpix.com.
	www.thedrnx.com.
	Transcribed by https://otter.ai And, uh, I don't know, maybe it's time.
	Give me your address quickly one more time.
	Uh, the email address?
	Uh, the PO Box?
	Uh, the email address.
	Okay, the email address is thegis.ghostpix.com, or just go to the homepage and you can email each individual member.
	All right.
	I want to thank you for being here.
	What an incredible program.
	Well, thank you, Art, for inviting us back.
	Good night.
	Good night.
	Well, folks, that's it.
	I will be back, of course, next week.
	show that's it
	kisses on the side will be back of course next week george norrie will be
	here in the interest as close continues
	this is really some program for that From the High Desert.
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