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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Desert and the Great American Southwest video.
		Good evening.
		Good morning, good afternoon, whatever time of day it is, wherever you are in the world, which we cover quite handily with a program called Post to Post AM.
		It's Friday night in the morning.
		I'm going to try and find in open minds as quickly as I can in this first and more weeks coming.
		I will have open mind shows on Friday.
		As we move toward Halloween for a ghost show.
		Let's look around the world very quickly.
		The Associate President, 13 days before the September 11 attacks, a frustrated FBI agent warned headquarters that quote some day someone will die and quote after he was denied permission to pursue a man who would become one of the hijackers.
		A congressional panel was told Friday that the agent's efforts were among many missed opportunities to stop two of the hijackers after they were spotted attending an al-Qaeda meeting in Malaysia in January of 2000.
		Oh my.
		Israel is tightening its siege on Yasser Arafat.
		They're doing all kinds of things, using tanks to destroy a stairwell in the compound, digging a deep trench, running coils of barbed wire around his offices.
		Of course, he's got big guns pointed at him.
		So you would think that Yasser would eventually get the message.
		Maybe.
		President Bush appealed Friday to a reluctant Russian President Vladimir Putin to please back a new UN Security Council resolution threatening war with Iraq if it doesn't destroy its weapons stockpiles.
		But despite a basic ally and warm relationship and cooperation against terrorism and all the rest of it, Russia held to its view that the threat should be deferred at least until the UN weapons inspectors take up President Saddam Hussein's offer to resume the searches after nearly four years.
		You know, they probably got them now at the bottom of a thousand-foot mine, right?
		It was pretty horrible.
		I'm sure a lot of you saw it on CNN during the day.
		A woman wanted in the videotape beating of her four-year-old daughter.
		They caught it on videotape outside a department store.
		They're hoping she'll turn herself in to authorities.
		It was an incredible piece of video, and she put the child in the back.
		Everybody's, of course, worried about the child, but I mean, she just beat the hell out of that child on videotape.
		And it went on for some time.
		It was actually kind of hard to watch.
		Hurricane Isidore pounded Cuba's sparsely populated western end with heavy rains, winds more than 100 miles an hour Friday, as it makes its way toward the Gulf of Mexico.
		This will be bad, prompting the evacuation of offshore oil rigs.
		Hopefully it goes south.
		Not that I would wish anything bad on our Central or South American neighbors, but this looks like one of those that you don't want to get into the warm Gulf and head up toward Texas, Louisiana, that kind of thing.
		They are looking for 12-foot tides, by the way.
		Governor Paul Patton on Friday tearfully admitted to a, quote, inappropriate personal relationship, end quote, with a woman who is suing him for sexual harassment, but denied her charges, said that he charges rather that he used his influence to target her business after she ended the relationship.
		He said, quote, I have now apologized to the people of Kentucky and asked for your forgiveness.
		The married governor said, quote, I do believe that now I'm on the right path, end quote.
		Now, what I've got here, I'm going to let you be the judge of this.
		It's in the journal Nature.
		You know, very well-respected Nature.
		And the headline is, electrodes trigger OBEs, out-of-body experience.
		This is a very interesting story, and I wonder how you all will react to it.
		Activity in one region of our brain could explain OBEs.
		Researchers in Switzerland have triggered the phenomena using electrodes.
		People describe out-of-body experiences as feeling that their consciousness becomes detached from their bodies, often floating above it.
		Because these lucid states are popularly linked to the paranormal, a lot of people are reluctant to talk about them.
		That's according to Olaf Blanck of the Geneva University Hospital.
		He said that he found that electrically stimulating one brain region, the right angular gyrus, G-Y-R-U-S-S, repeatedly triggers out-of-body experiences.
		Blank and his team were using electrodes to excite the brain of a woman being treated for epilepsy.
		The right angular gyrus integrates visual information, the sight of your body, in other words, information that creates the mind's representation of your body.
		This is based on balance and feedback from your limbs about their position and space.
		It makes perfect sense, agrees Peter Brueger of University Hospital Zurich in Switzerland, who studies the phenomena.
		We have representations of our entire body that can be disassociated from our real body, says he.
		But this is an isolated case, he points out.
		With gentle stimulation, the woman, who could speak during the operation, felt that she was falling or growing lighter.
		As the intensity increased, she told them, I see myself lying in bed from above.
		When asked to look at her raised arm, she thought it was coming to punch her.
		The observation suggests that alien hand syndrome, when people feel that a limb is foreign or phantom limbs that people can feel after amputations, could be related to OBEs.
		Quote, Out-of-body experiences are incredibly common, says clinical neurologist John Marshall of the Radcliffe Infirmary in Oxford, UK.
		Some are part of near-death experiences.
		Some believe the events have religious or spiritual causes, or that a person really leaves their physical body behind.
		They may, for example, interpret them as evidence that the physical and spiritual body can separate again after death.
		The new experiments cannot disprove such ideas, says Marshall.
		It doesn't show that people with paranormal beliefs are wrong.
		It simply demonstrates one way that the experience can be stimulated.
	Nevertheless, I think it would give great comfort to patients who, he says, frequently question their own sanity.
	Thrill seekers are going to be hard-pushed to artificially create their own OBEs, adds Brueger, because you see you can't stimulate that precisely without opening up the skull.
	So in other words, if you want to give that a try at home and you don't use a traditional method for stimulating an OBE, you're going to have to take a big slice out of your head and put some electrodes in, that sort of thing.
	And I rather doubt that's a try it at home kind of deal.
	Now, I received this just a little while ago, tonight.
	And you know me and ghost stories, right?
	But this one, oh, man.
	Short and sweet.
	Dear Art, last week my wife went to her beauty shop and talked to a lady that she sees there from time to time.
	My wife asked how things were, you know, small talk, and the lady related the following.
	About six weeks ago, her father died of a stroke.
	Her mom was devastated, and she died three weeks later.
	That frequently happens, people in love, doesn't it?
	Both were cremated, and the lady and her sons decided to take those ashes to another state for internment.
	Both urns were packed in a box, and she took them as carry-on luggage.
	The x-ray examiner asked what the contents were, and she said, my parents' ashes.
	So the box went into the x-ray machine, and the operator asked, what else was in the box?
unidentified		She said, just the ashes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The operator said, there is a photograph in the box, and asked the lady to look at the screen.
		On that scope was the image of her dad's face.
		Well, the lady became hysterical.
		Her sons rushed over and they also saw the image, as did about five other people, including the examiner's supervisor.
		Easily the most bizarre story I've ever heard.
		From Lloyd Clouton, San Diego, California.
		Oh, my God.
		Can you imagine that?
		That would do you in, all right.
		I mean, there you are with your parents' ashes going through the x-ray machine, and they ask you what they are.
		They always do, of course, and you tell them, and they look inside, and inside an urn.
		But there's no photograph.
		There's just an image showing up on that screen.
		Well, there wasn't any little wire down tickling anybody's part of the brain for that one.
		Drudge, of course, this week saying that Russia would seem to be missing a couple of hundred nuclear warheads.
		200.
		200.
		In other words, of 2,400 nuclear warheads that were on Ukrainian territory, only 2,200, of 2,400, only 2,200 still are there.
		That means 200 nuclear warheads appear to be missing.
		Now, if you were to hazard a guess about where those 200 nuclear warheads might be, what would you think?
		I think any of them might be here.
		IBM said Wednesday it sold the U.S. Air Force a supercomputer to help it identify unidentified flying objects.
		Air Force's space surveillance team based in Maui, Hawaii, is going to use the supercomputer to hunt outer space for old satellites, foreign spacecraft, and other UFOs that may be hurtling toward Earth.
		According to IBM, the IBM system will be used to detect and identify some 9,000 objects currently flying around in Earth's orbit.
		9,000 objects.
		9,000 things flying around up there.
		And then I suppose if the IBM computer suddenly detects 9,001, it says, what's that?
		The blue screen of notification, huh?
		Does the statement, we've always done it that way, ring any bells for you, folks?
		The North American Standard Railroad Gauge, in other words, distance between the rails, is 4 feet, 8.5 inches.
		That's an odd number.
		And a lot of people have wondered why that gauge was used.
		Now, listen to me.
		No, it's not a metric conversion because that's the way they built them in England.
		And English expatriates built the U.S. railroads.
		Now, why did the English build them like that?
		Well, because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and then that's the gauge.
		That's the gauge they used.
		Why did they use the gauge then?
		Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing.
		Okay, why did the wagons have that particular odd spacing?
		Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels Would break on some of the old long roads in England, and that's because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts.
		So, who built those old rutted roads?
		Imperial Rome built the first long-distance roads in Europe, and England for their legions.
		The roads have been used ever since.
		And the ruts in the road?
		Well, Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels.
		Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing.
		The North American standard railroad gauge of 4 feet 8.5 inches is in fact derived from the original specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot.
		And bureaucracies live forever, as we all know.
		So the next time you're handed a specification and wonder what horse's ass came up with it, you may be exactly right, you see, because the Imperial Roman war chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two war horses.
		Now the twist of the story.
		When you see a space shuttle sitting on its launch pad in all its glory, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of that main fuel tank.
		These are solid rocket boosters or SRBs, right?
		The SRBs are made by Pyacol at their factory in Utah.
		The engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred to have made them a bit larger, but the SRBs, you see, had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site, right?
		The railroad line from the factory happens to run through a tunnel in the mountains.
		The SRBs had to fit through the tunnel.
		The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track.
		And the railroad track, as you now know, is about as wide as two horses behind.
		So a major space shuttle design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was determined over 2,000 years ago by the width of a horse's ass.
		And you may have thought being a horse's ass was not important.
		It's just one of those things that you make note of, I guess.
		Let's rock.
	East of the Rock Keys, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		For open lines, right, till two?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's open lines, sir.
unidentified		Yes.
		Yes.
		Okay, this is Mike in New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Mike.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		The first thing I wanted to make a comment about the Egyptian program and how much any comparison has been done to the pyramids in Central and South America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I saw the program on Egypt.
unidentified		Oh, yes, so did I this past week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I saw no such comparison.
unidentified		No, there was no comparison, but he's had some guests who were talking about the Mayans.
unidentified		He?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean me?
unidentified		No, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's me.
unidentified		Oh, you're.
unidentified		Oh, I got you right off the bat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, who do you think you're talking to?
unidentified		Oh, I've heard that.
unidentified		I know the pizza.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, see, I don't string calls.
		I mean, you're on the air.
		This is it.
		You know, the big moment is here.
unidentified		Okay.
		Now, the first comment I just wanted to make was I know you've had guests who've talked about like the mines and that they've worked with the pyramids.
		They make reference to them with the precise measurements and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And they made me reference how much the Egyptians that they might have compared with the precise construction to line up so precisely with stars and whatever else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		and i think maybe one or two of you guess that much when they've talked with central south america has any crosstalk ever been made to say You know, that's always amazed me, and that is that during the time that we're talking about right now, and there really does need to be a lot more attention to be paid to all of this.
		During the time that we're talking about, there wasn't exactly the internet.
		There wasn't even exactly airliners.
		There weren't even exactly ships that went across the sea to carry a message from hither to yon.
		There was nothing.
		There was no way that one continent communicated with another continent.
		And yet, we see the building of the similar measurements and building in pyramids all over the world.
		Now, I know we all saw Zahi Wass the other night say, and they made the point again and again, as Zahi always does, that the Egyptians built the pyramids.
		Maybe they did.
		But what about all the other pyramids?
		Did the Egyptians build the same stuff the Mayans did?
		How did the Mayans figure out what the Egyptians did?
		I mean, did they have plans sent by FedEx or something?
		These are all things to wonder about, and it's not just the Mayans, it's all over the world that we see these pyramids.
		How did they get there?
		How did the communication occur?
		What commonality was there?
		Lots of good questions.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		I'm kind of curious.
unidentified		Have you ever interviewed Ernst Zundel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Do you know who I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Well, Ernt Zundel is a Canadian, and he wrote two books, one of them called UFO's Nazi Secret Weapon, and another called Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And he's one of these people who believes that the Führer is still alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would he be?
unidentified		What's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would he be still alive?
unidentified		Well, there's some people who believe that Adolf Hitler was a mystical being.
unidentified		You know, like, for instance, Miguel Serrano.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't believe that, do you?
unidentified		What's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't believe that, do you?
unidentified		Well, you know what?
unidentified		It's going to sound really strange, but I believe that he is an incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do believe it.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		All right.
		Hitler was some sort of a being from beyond, not a real human.
		Well, it wasn't a lot of humanity in Hitler.
unidentified		Well, it wasn't a lot of humanity in Hitler.
		Now you step inside, but you don't see too many things.
		You're coming in.
		You're coming in.
		Time, time, time.
		See what's become of me.
		Time, time, time to see what's become of me.
		While I looked around, all my possibilities.
		I was so hard to please.
		The ground, leaves the ground, even the sky.
		It's a hazy shade of winter.
		It was damnation on the ground.
		Down by countryside, it's bound to be a better island.
		And what you've got planned, carry your cup in your hand.
		The ground, leaves the ground, and the sky.
		It's a hazy shade of winter.
		Hang on to your hopes, my friend.
		That's an easy thing to say, but if your hopes are done, Pass away and simply pretend That you can build them again Look around, right side, feels right It's the springtime of my life To rechart bell in the Kingdom of Nye, from west of the Rockies, dial 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
		First-time callers may rechart at 1-775-727-1222.
		Or use the wildcard line at 1-775-727-1295.
		To rechart on the toll-free international line, call your AT ⁇ T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with our bell on the Premier Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Coming up at the top of the hour is one of the scariest programs we ever do, in my estimation.
		And I'll explain to you in detail why.
		The GIS.
		The ghosts from the other side people.
		The dead people.
		The five cents a minute.
		Talk to the dead people.
unidentified		People.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Back to it.
		We go open lines.
		Many as we can get in between now and the top of the hour.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I'm glad you're feeling better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you.
unidentified		I wanted to say that thank you so much for having the GIS back on again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, top of the hour GIS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, somebody sent me an email earlier today, and it just has said in the subject line, talk to the dead, five cents a minute.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, you expect to see this lady in black tights come down, you know, talk to the dead.
		Five cents a minute.
		But the reason I think the GIS, at least for me, the reason the GIS shows are particularly impactful and frightening, it's because they have such tight controls on what they do.
		It's because they don't make any money.
		They don't sell books.
		They don't sell anything on the air.
		They just do this.
		And that really freaks me out.
		I mean, you might imagine if they had some stake in all of this, other than just gathering the information, then you could say, aha!
		Right?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		But you can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no aha here.
		It's, oh, my God.
		It's more like, oh, my God.
unidentified		Yeah, and they're pretty brave to be staying out there all night in the cemetery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't do it.
		I wouldn't do it.
		Would you?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		I mean, well, I'd rather go in the daytime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As the low fog rolls in so that you can't even see your own feet and there's starting to be voices in the dark and stuff like that.
unidentified		Yeah, with all that fog, you won't be able to see where your car is.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wouldn't even be able to see your own feet.
		Yeah.
		But you'd be able to see about half of the grave markers, you know.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate the call, though.
unidentified		Thank you, Arthur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, take care.
		Now, that's, you know, coming up at the top of the hour, GIS, Ghost Investigators Society.
		I think that's what it stands for, right?
		EVP.
		Ghost Investigators Society, indeed.
		And EVP electronic voice phenomena.
		And, you know, I've looked at this every way from Sunday, and that's why we keep having these people back, because you can't find any holes in it.
		I mean, they use brand new tapes, brand new recorders, and these voices are coming from where?
		Nowhere.
		They're coming from nowhere.
		They're coming across.
		And here, once again, we have no electrodes attached to anybody's brain.
		This is phenomena that we can actually listen to and hear now in real time.
		It really does seem to be interactive, which would indicate that there is an interactive entity sending the message over on what we, for lack of a better term, call the other side.
		Right?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is Andy Collin from Lexington, North Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Andy.
unidentified		I've been listening to your show for the past year now.
unidentified		I got tuned into your show from a guy who ran a bookstore who told me about all the different subjects that y'all cover on coast to coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is somewhat diverse.
unidentified		And see, the reason why I was looking for an old movie, Bigfoot movie, one time, and I got, you know, through your show, I've got to Robert Morgan's website, and I got to where I'm pretty good friends with him.
		You know, like I said, there's just been so much happening, you know, with it looks like we are going to hit Iraq and all that kind of stuff.
		But it was kind of scary today whenever they arrested this guy up in Greensboro, there's a taxi cab driver who was planning, I think they said, to fly a plane into the White House.
		That's right.
		And, you know, I know that there are some Arab people, you know, I'm friends with some people that are Pakistani people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then they hit the sell up in Buffalo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, all of a sudden, you know, we're starting to find out they may be all around us.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, you know, you don't, because there are some people from over there, you know, Muslims, I guess, that are, you know, try to work hard and don't bother anybody.
		But when stuff like this happens, you get so mad and fed up, you feel like, you know, deporting all of them.
		You know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		But, you know, in America, we've got to resist that temptation.
		And I know it's really a big temptation.
		I know it's really a big temptation.
		You know, deport them all, get them the hell out of here.
		But the trouble with that is that then you stop becoming, then you're not America.
		In other words, then they have successfully robbed you of that which you stand for.
		The poor, the huddled masses being welcomed, all the rest of that.
		In other words, they have managed to change who we are.
		And so it's always a balance.
		You're going to have a real tough time with it.
		And I know there's that sentiment out there, but I think it has to be resisted, and we have to find a way to destroy these people without changing and destroying who we are.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, it's Phil Collins.
unidentified		A couple of weeks ago, or a couple days ago, you guys had an episode with Mirror Magic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had Dr. Evelyn Paglini on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We talked about Mirror Magic, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		When I was younger, some friends of mine, we decided to fool around with a mirror on a story that we were told.
		Well, anyway, we played with the mirror and the nightmares that we had after fooling around with this mirror.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, how did you fool with it?
unidentified		Well, we were told the story if you say a certain chant in front of the mirror, that certain things will happen.
		Well, we did the chant, but nothing happened at the time.
		But the nightmares and the spookiness feeling that we had for months later was unbelievable.
		So it was nice to actually hear Dr. Evelyn talk to people and then explain, you know, don't fool around with this stuff so you don't understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		All right, thank you.
		I think the mirror is just an adjunct.
		I think that the mirror is powerful in that regard, as are probably other props like Ouija boards and all the rest.
		But mainly, I think it's your intent.
		It's your intent.
		In other words, if you put yourself in a state of mind, then I don't think it would matter whether it was a mirror, Ouija board, reflection in a pond, the pen or the desk in front of you or whatever, if it became your intent to use any material object as an aid to open doors, then you might imagine that those doors might open.
		And you also might imagine that something might walk through that might displease you highly.
		So I think it has more to do with intent than it does specific objects.
		But mirrors, in that regard, mirrors are very good.
		Apparently very good.
		It still kind of freaks me out.
		I tried to take this infinity picture with my webcam and I couldn't do it.
		I think if I had one large mirror in here, I could do it.
		It was so fascinating.
		I had this wonderful picture.
		I snapped it and I didn't get anything.
		All I got was a picture of the program that took the picture.
		It was so weird.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Eric.
		Hello.
		This is Glenn down in South Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Glenn.
unidentified		I'm calling to volunteer my services as a hurricane reporter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		It just is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as this baby heads toward the Gulf of Mexico, of course, you might have something to worry about down there.
unidentified		Oh, very much so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I have always marveled at, you know, when you watch CNN, who is it that gets sent by CNN to be the guy who gets to go down and be in the eye of the hurricane as it passes over?
		You know, holding on to a pole for dear life as the cameraman holds on for dear life, trying to take a picture of the guy holding on to the pole for dear life.
		I wonder if they have like an office, you know, like a drawing or something, you know?
unidentified		Maybe it may be an anti-lottery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, maybe it's the new guy, you know.
unidentified		I just heard, by the way, that they're going to stop doing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh?
unidentified		Yeah, that they're going to stop putting people in harm's way.
unidentified		I'm 20 miles from the Mexican border and 20 miles from the coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm shocked.
		I mean, I am shocked.
		You really?
unidentified		Where did you hear that?
		It was one of the major news outlets.
		So now we're going to have to depend on people like you.
		Well, I'm here for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you would go down and let's say get in a phone booth or hold on to a cell telephone.
unidentified		I wouldn't have to go down.
unidentified		All I would have to do is open the front door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, I hope it doesn't happen.
		I hope that it misses the U.S. altogether.
		I said I don't wish any bad luck on Central and South America, but go that way.
		Thank you.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you for the call.
		And there's a volunteer.
		Have they really stopped that?
		Wow.
		That's big news, if true.
		How are they going to cover it then?
		I mean, it's almost traditional.
		The guy from CNN down there hanging on the flagpole.
		I wonder if I'll miss it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good evening, Ard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, sir.
unidentified		Jim calling from Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oregon, in a vehicle on a cell phone.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		I'm sorry.
		I'm in an 18-wheeler right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fly right.
unidentified		I have a question about Iraq to sort of change the subject.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, fire away.
unidentified		What would prevent us?
		Everybody's concerned about going to war with them.
		Why can't we do like they did in days of yore and just put them under siege and blockade them?
		When they don't have any food and water, pretty soon they'll capitulate, won't they?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've been doing that now for years, sir.
		Where have you been?
		We've been blockading Iraq.
		We haven't bought their oil.
		We've starved their people to the point where their children are dying while they continue to produce biological nuclear weapons.
		That's what we've done.
		And I think, you know, the president totally isolated?
		Yes, pretty much, sir.
		And, you know, other than, say, Jordan, that'll always deal with them.
		But I mean, the president has pretty much come to the end of his line with that.
unidentified		Yeah, that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't work.
unidentified		I just thought if we sent our troops over rather than attack them in the streets, because you know they're going to put their military sites where the civilians are, just encircle their country with troops and let them sit there until they start.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I appreciate the call and the thought.
		You know, if we actually have to do what the president appears to want to do, it's going to be horrible.
		Because what Saddam Hussein will do will be to put a substantial portion of his army in Baghdad, and it'll be house-to-house warfare.
		And you all may remember what happened in Somalia.
		I mean, that's tough stuff.
		Really tough stuff.
		When you've got snipers and you've got an urban area and, you know, there's everywhere to hide, and you don't know who the enemy is, and you don't know who the poor civilians are.
		And, oh, God, it's going to be a mess.
		There's no question about that.
		First time call our line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll wait for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Hey, Codd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have Codd.
		All right.
		Proceed.
unidentified		I'd like to talk about the...
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I'd like to talk to you about the special that I saw on Fox.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About Egypt?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the one that was on, yes.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		When they opened the tomb and got through that first door and put the hammer through, and then we saw what looked like maybe another door with the crack marks and everything.
unidentified		But I definitely noticed on the right-hand side of the screen on the bottom, there was definitely a black line running up to that wall where supposedly nothing had been yet already.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think they've already been there?
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, if anybody else had taped that, I'd love for them to confirm what I saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's get it straight again.
		You saw a black line, which indicated to you that somebody, of course, the Egyptians thousands of years ago, you wouldn't be referring to them.
		You mean very recently.
unidentified		Yeah, it looks like a fresh black line going up to that wall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Son of a gun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean to say you are suspicious that they might have done something and not told us about it?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Like a lot of other people, I think, that they had pre-planned it and it was staged.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I wonder how many doors there are.
		I mean, like, it could be 25 Fox specials.
unidentified		I agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there's the next door.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there's the next special.
unidentified		And it was convenient for them to get their political points across the whole time.
unidentified		Just like your other guest said, George, that was on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		George Nouri.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes, indeed.
		Very convenient to get all the plugs in you want.
		I know Zayawas, you know, he's a friend.
unidentified		You know him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I know him very well.
		And he's quite the guy, and he has his own views about who built pyramids.
		And he's pretty five-ton block-headed about it.
unidentified		He's definitely plugging that the Egyptians did it.
		And I even noticed how he said that he wanted to point out that they didn't use slaves and all that.
		Remember when he said that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		Well, I mean, look, Zahi is an Egyptian, and he doesn't want anything.
		I mean, he's a true-blooded Egyptian, like you're a true-blooded American, and you don't want anything bad said about America, right?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he's that way about Egypt.
unidentified		But the proof was when he showed those places where they supposedly slept in the city, they showed all those guys laying there in these little narrow strips right out in the open, you know, one right after the other.
unidentified		And I said, well, gee, I don't think they do that to their own people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Even if they were covered with a tent or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, you may recall, though, that even America went through a period with slavery now, didn't we?
		So that there would have been slavery there, I don't think it's too big of a stretch, frankly, and I'm sure you don't either.
		Some of it was, no doubt, contracted and paid-for labor.
		Some of it was, I guess, food and board.
		Some of it was probably slavery.
		I mean, there was probably all shades of gray involved.
		Wildcard line, you're on air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, how are you doing?
unidentified		This is Chuck Johns across the Panhandle listening to you on 1200 W OAI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Panhandle in Texas and OAI in San Antonio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		You got it.
		And you guys brought up that pyramid show?
		I have a high-definition TV.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And that door is not matched with the rocks around the door.
unidentified		So it looks like that door is new.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I had one guest the other night who suggested that perhaps it was a handle that broke off in some previous attempt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just, you know, I found it extremely strange that if it was something like that, after Zahi had said, boy, you know, I wouldn't go one more inch if there was any damage to anything.
unidentified		Oh, I'm talking about the door that was behind the door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the second door, like the last caller.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		I think they've already been in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have the very same suspicions myself, sir.
unidentified		And that one guy earlier said about the pyramids in Central America and all across the world.
		That was another show that was on Discovery Channel last week.
		Was it?
		Yeah, how the pyramids over in Egypt match up with Orion's belt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		Well, I mean, it is a little odd, as I pointed out.
		There wasn't telegraph, there weren't radios, there wasn't transportation, there wasn't FedEx or UPS or anything else.
		How could we have ended up with pyramids all around the world?
		How?
unidentified		Well, they figured the ones over in Asia was from the Egyptians, and they said that somehow the trade route, or some sort of trade route, that it got down into Central America from the pyramid that's in St. Louis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And in South and Central America, I mean, those Egyptians really got around.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		They said that, what, the cows that they used and all the food that they used?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a lot of fun.
		You think the Mayans learned the art of pyramid building from the Egyptians?
		Or, I mean, how did that happen?
		I mean, it just wasn't the same world, sir.
unidentified		Oh, I know that.
		I don't know how it was.
		Maybe they had little flying fairies that ran around and told everybody how to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, flying fairies?
unidentified		They're spaceships.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I think that's what some people believe, that there had to have been some sort of global information exchange that we can't even imagine today.
		Although, you know, there is one other possibility, sir.
		And everybody, think about this for a second.
		Remember the New York State lotto, PIC 3911?
		Could it be that mass consciousness was as effective or even more effective then than it is now?
unidentified		Yeah, what is it coming for?
		Absolutely nothing.
		Uh-huh.
		War.
		Yeah, what is it coming for?
		Absolutely nothing.
		Say it again, y'all.
		War.
		Who?
		Yeah.
		What is it coming for?
		Absolutely nothing.
		Listen to me.
		War.
		I despise.
		Cause it means destruction of his life.
		War means tears.
		If I was above the line.
		When their sons go to fight.
		And lose their lives.
		I said war.
		Good God, y'all.
		What is it coming for?
		Absolutely nothing.
		Say it again.
		Falling down the spiral, destination alone.
		Fellow God's messenger, all alone.
		Can't get no connection, can't get through.
		Where are you?
		Well the night with heavy honour is guilty men.
		Let's fall from the bottom.
		The man comes, he knows damn well he has been cheated.
		Have you seen him?
		Am I stepping into the twilight zone?
		This is the madhouse, it feels like we've gone.
		My beat does get moved, I'm the moon and star.
		Where am I to go now that I've gone too far?
		Am I stepping into the twilight zone?
		Where am I to go now that I've gone too far?
		You were young to go when the bullet hits the bone.
		So you were young to go when the bullet hits the bone.
		When the bullet hits the bone.
		So you were young to go when the bullet hits the bone.
		When the bullet hits the bone.
		When the bullet hits the bone.
		Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
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		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All I can say is it's nighttime and there's a big full moon out there.
unidentified		Boy, it's a big full moon out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we're about to talk with the GIS, and I warn you, what you're about to hear is pretty scary stuff.
		So if you're out there trucking along on the highway in the middle of the night, you might, well, want to consider whether you might want to go to listen to country and western music for a little while or something else, because this is, I guarantee, pretty creepy stuff.
		Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth are both members of what's called the Ghost Investigators Society, GIS for short.
		The Ghost Investigators Society is a non-profit organization dedicated to the investigation of ghosts.
		Not only do they conduct investigations, but also instruct, assist, and educate anybody who believes they may be experiencing ghostly phenomena, or those who are just simply curious.
		So how about you cats out there?
		In an effort to educate the public about ghosts, the GIS hopes the EVPs or electronic voice phenomena that are going to be presented tonight will help demonstrate that the consciousness that we all know we have does survive after the body dies and that these voices may help to give a different perspective about life, death, and ghosts.
		But I warn you, it's scary stuff.
		Get prepared.
unidentified		Get prepared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Once again, I want to specify at the beginning of the program that the reason that I keep Having these two back again is because it is the GIS is a non-profit organization.
		They don't sell stuff.
		They don't sell books.
		They don't sell anything.
		They don't profit.
		They just go out and they record electronic voice phenomena, which is, by the way, not a new phenomena.
		It goes way back.
		It's time to welcome Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth, both GIS members.
		Welcome to the program.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Ark.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
		Great to have you back again.
		Well, folks, am I billing you correctly?
		I mean, you are a non-profit organization, right?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's correct.
		We do not accept money for anything that we do.
		We do this simply out of the love of doing it and the interest of doing it and to hopefully educate as many people as possible about ghost phenomena.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not even selling stuff, are you?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No.
		There's no books.
		There's no C Ds.
		Although we could, but we won't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you certainly could.
		Oh, my God.
		Could you put together C Ds?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to explain?
		It's just absolutely necessary for those who have never heard it before.
		First of all, electronic voice phenomena, voices appearing out of the blue on magnetic tape is not a new thing.
		Electronic voice phenomena goes back how far?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Actually, to about the 50s, Edison and Marconi both were working on some kind of machine that runs along the same lines as EVP.
		It really has been around since the 50s.
		Some of the earliest people that reported recording voices were there was two monks that were recording Gregorian chants and reported picking up voices while they were recording them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Edison actually did think he could talk to the dead, didn't he?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that is correct.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		He actually had, from what I have heard, designed a machine to talk to the dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people just don't know.
		Yes, talk to the dead, five cents a minute.
		A lot of people really don't.
		I guess they don't want to absorb this aspect to them.
		Edison was just a pure scientist, never had thoughts of this kind of thing, but that's baloney, isn't it?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		And, you know, people are so taken back by it.
		The fact, you know, they're taught all their life that this doesn't exist, and they shouldn't be able to talk to the dead at all.
		They're taught that once you're dead, you go to heaven, or once you're dead, you're dead.
		That's it.
		There's nothing left.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we've simply found that that's not right.
		I mean, your consciousness does survive.
		You maintain the same personality as you did in life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What you have would seem to go an awful long way toward proving that.
		I read an article.
		I don't know if you happen to hear the first hour of the show or not, but I read an article about some scientists who are opening up people's brains and putting electrodes in and causing them to have OBEs.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I heard bits and pieces of it, but you did not actually catch the whole thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, that's the other side of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're saying, well, I guess the suggestion is, even though they backed away from it a little bit, that, you know, it's just a phenomena of our own brains, that it's not something external, that there is no transference of energy that is whatever we are, you know, our soul, to another plane that continues to exist, that is probably all just bunk.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we've heard that.
		I mean, we've heard probably every explanation you could think of on why these voices come through on tapes.
		And ghosts are not real.
		It's just simply a figment of your imagination.
		And, you know, that's all well and good until you're out in the middle of a haunted location or in the middle of a cemetery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it happens.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, pick up a voice that's responding to you.
		I mean, it's not so much picking up a voice, but the fact that it interacts with you.
		And sometimes there's contemporary information with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that really does lay down some pretty heavy proof, in my opinion, on the side of we do survive death or something of us does survive death of consciousness, obviously.
		And particularly if there's contemporary interactive information, it's got to be.
		So that's why I continue to pursue this.
		Now, tell everybody how you do this.
		In other words, you take recorders, well, standard cassette recorders for the most part, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you take them out into places like cemeteries.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		We always use brand new tapes.
		We never reuse any tapes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which in itself must get to be expensive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You must buy a lot of tape.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We do.
		And we invite, we play the recorders also, which is important.
		We play it on regular speed.
		If you use a 60-minute tape, it should take 60 minutes to record.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, we've never really talked about it.
		So you don't, in order to conserve tape, you don't go to one-quarter speed.
		You keep it at regular speed.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That clear, it records clear, and it helps the clarity of any AVP that you would record.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Inevitably, somebody will suggest, well, then if clarity is what you want, then why not go to mini-discs or something of that order?
		You still got a microphone, but as we have discussed in the past, folks, the way voices are imprinted on tape is electromagnetic.
		In other words, it passes over a tape head that makes an electromagnetic imprint on the tape.
		And I guess the suggestion is that ghosts are able to, or entities are able to operate in an electromagnetic, or to emit electromagnetic impulses or energy, and that that way they're able to do it onto tape and not so easily to, say, a mini CD or something like that.
		Is that fair?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is definitely the theory, and that's definitely the theory we've gone along with for quite a long time.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And you'll see this in the first nine voices EVPs that we're going to play tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		These were all recorded with a digital recorder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness, here we go, huh?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a man named Joe Bowman actually donated an RCA digital recorder to us.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we have been using that Quite extensively lately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It has resulted in really, really nice EVP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
		What a surprise to me.
		I had no idea this will lay in wait for me.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was a surprise to us, too.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We honestly didn't believe this would work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so it's a digital...
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's an RCM, not exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does it record on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The medium?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's just an internal hard disk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, a hard disk?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so it's purely, completely digital, which means that the noise is almost gone compared to tape noise.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there's no tape hiss.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		There's no internal motor noises.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, gee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My goodness, folks.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This throws a whole new thing in that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		it throws the whole thing up in the air a little bit it has a lot of that uh...
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		well We just barely got it just a couple of months ago in July, I believe, is since we've had it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And so you began to take it along on your treks to cemeteries, prisons, and other to it so we can clear it and start all over again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We still are using our regular tape recorders also at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, at today's prices, you know, you can go out and get like an 80-gig hard drive for not much at all.
		Yes.
		And so that would last hours and hours and hours longer than your tape.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's correct.
		And we are, I mean, and you'll see from the results, these first nine that we're going to play, and there's also scattered throughout the rest of the voices.
		There are some other digital recordings as well.
		But just from the sheer amount of results that we got from this and the clarity of them, we are definitely going to pursue this more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The GIS enters the 21st century.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We're getting pulled there whether we like it or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Apparently so.
		I'm shocked, surprised.
		And you always had the theory that I sort of outlined there that electromagnetic imprints could be made easily on tape and other formats.
		It wouldn't be so easy for the entities to get to.
		But I guess that one's up in smoke, huh?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's true.
		I mean, to be honest, the theory sounded so good.
		I mean, it sounded like it should work.
		I mean, that's how it should be done.
		But this has just completely turned it around for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that mean that how much difference?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we're about to hear, obviously, the difference, but in terms of quality and being able to dig the audio from the noise for something that we can air here, how much difference is there?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I believe there's quite a bit of difference, and I think that's simply because I work with the voices so much, getting them ready for this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, I believe there's a vast amount of difference just because there is no tape hiss and there's no, I mean, the voices are so much more lifelike.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		In fact, we ran into the problem hoping that nobody would think these are fake because some of the voices sound so clear, like they're actually there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you see, that would figure.
		I mean, if you could pick them up on something as clear as a digital imprint on a hard drive, then, yes.
		Yes, I can see they would perhaps be so clear they wouldn't appear real to those who would hear them.
		And then once you get done, what do you do?
		Do you format the hard drive or you reformat the hard drive?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's take, let's try it.
		I'm dying to hear what one of these sounds like.
		So let's do number one, see what it sounds like.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We had been contacted by a funeral director who recently, within the last three months, started having activity in his home.
		He has lived in this home for several years, and this is just a recent occurrence, and he contacted us to come and do an investigation.
		These are from the preliminary investigation.
		We will be going back there tomorrow to do a follow-up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So let me get this straight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A funeral director began having activity in his own home, like something perhaps followed him home.
unidentified		Right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm leaning towards has taken place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so he contacted GIS and said, can you help?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you tell me what I've got or what's going on?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		He has visually seen a small child and also a man in the house.
		And in fact, his wife came home from work this past week and she thought that there was an intruder in the house.
		She grabbed her purse and cell phone and called him at work.
		He immediately left, called the police, said that there was an intruder in the home because she heard boxes being slid across the floor.
		And so they thought, you know, for sure that there was somebody that had broken into the home.
		And the police arrived at the same time he arrived home and they went in and searched the premises and there was nothing bothered or no sign of forced entry anywhere or anything.
		But this first voice you're going to hear is you're going to hear Brendan say, will you talk with me?
		And there's a child's voice that responds and it says either father or others.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here it comes.
		You're going to hear Brendan's voice first.
		Will you talk with me?
		And then you will hear something from the other side.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Can you talk with me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, to me, that clearly sounds like father.
		I mean, that's not real hard to make out.
		I'll do it again so everybody can hear it, but it sounds very clearly like father to me.
		Listen very carefully now, folks.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Can you talk with me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you two, I take it, assume that that meant whoever it was wanted to speak with father.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And actually, I think you'll see that farther down the line as we play more of these voices from this house, that this child is almost longing for parents, maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, that brings us right back to that place we always get to in this program.
		Yes.
		That is that, you know, we all try and imagine what happens to us when we pass on.
		And there are terrible tragedies where children pass on, of course, you know, at a very young age.
		And if what you all pick up on these tapes is real and it's the truth, then that would seem to indicate, it would seem to indicate That on the other side, you are what you are when you pass.
		If you are a child, you are a child.
		If you are a grumpy old man, then you're a grumpy old man on the other side.
		And that just doesn't fit in with a lot of people's image of what heaven would be.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we don't believe that you change at all once you've passed on.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Your personality and your likes and your dislikes are still going to be, if it's a mental state that you're in and the consciousness survives, you are still going to be the same type of person you were when you were alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but that would mean that there's going to be a lot of downright nasty people in heaven.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're not necessarily in heaven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now you raise a good point there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're getting these voices, but we really don't know the point of origin precisely, do we?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, that's correct.
		I mean, to be honest, I do believe there is a heaven.
		I don't think whatever these entities are where we're getting these voices from, I don't think they're there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		They haven't proceeded where they should go.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I believe that they're still stuck here in our realm for some reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you don't think you're hearing from heaven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do think you're hearing from the dead.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But not from heaven, not from hell.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I do not believe that they have gone on and moved to where they should be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I've heard voices we played on this program that you all have recorded of little children saying, it's cold, it's dark in here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember those?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		And, you know, wherever they're at, that's, you know, that could be what it's like.
		I mean, we constantly, one of our main questions that we ask when we're out is, what is it like where you're at?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, this does not exactly alleviate the fear of death.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe that it's a state of mind that you're in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Both here and there, I guess.
		All right, hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
unidentified		It's cold and it's dark in here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a very frightened child's voice, that just doesn't exactly alleviate the fear of dying for many, including me.
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		Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing, to lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing, to have all these things in our memory's home, and they use them to come to us to find.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Shouldn't have occurred to me before.
		A hard drive is an electromagnetic device.
		Of course it is, unlike a CD.
		I was thinking CDs and CD in a laser-burning CD, right?
		A little different process.
		But with a hard drive, you're still in the electromagnetic arena, but you are in the digital arena as well, which means that you get clarity, but it's still electromagnetic.
		Duh should have hit me.
		You know, it really should have hit me the moment I started talking about it.
		A hard drive is electromagnetic.
		Unlike a CD, I was somehow stuck on mini CDs and that sort of thing, which are burned with lasers.
		So this is really still in the electromagnetic realm.
		It's just going to be a whole lot cleaner, right?
		That's correct.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you explained it to me because I couldn't understand it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it just hit me all of a sudden.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so the next, how many roughly?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Actually, the next, let's see, the next eight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The next eight are from hard drive.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, and they're actually from the same house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the same house?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this house was extremely active.
		And a lot of it, and you'll hear this in the recordings, seems to be the kid.
		I mean, you'll hear the kid.
		They've seen the kid.
		We've seen the kid being there.
		When we first pulled up into the driveway, the first night we went and conducted a preliminary investigation, the two owners of the house were sitting out on the driveway, and they wouldn't even go in their house.
		And as soon as we pulled in, we saw they had, it's like a three-story home, no, a two-story home.
		And up on the second story, there's two sets of windows.
		And we had just pulled in, and I looked up and saw something walk across the window.
		It was almost like a shadow.
		And I immediately asked the owner, is anybody inside the house?
		And he said, no, no one's inside the house.
		We're sitting out here waiting for you.
		And I asked, well, is there a ceiling fan maybe that was spinning around that might have caused that shadow?
		And he said, no, there's no ceiling fan in that room.
		So, and I think all of us saw it.
		All four members of the GIS that were there and the two Owners of the house all saw this in the window.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has this caused the man, who I don't want to name, and I hope you won't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has this caused the man, the undertaker, to rethink what he's doing for a living?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, he has always done this, I mean, for years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so he shall continue to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But he does think it's connected to what he does.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And we do, too.
		I mean, we think something probably has followed him home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's do another one.
		And again, these are going to be from the same house that you just heard described, everybody.
		What do we have here, number two?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right, this one.
		I need to explain.
		You're going to hear the man, one of the owners of the house, say, you can go and play in Derek's room, okay?
		And then you're going to hear the kid say, okay.
		And then the owner will say, go ahead and go play.
		Well, the owner, there was no kid there at the time at all.
		We had told the owner to refer to the ghost, which the ghost of the kid, as being a living person, to talk to it like you would a living person.
		Just like it was not to treat it any differently than a living person.
		So some of these voices, you're going to hear him talk like he's talking to somebody that's really there.
		Although nobody, well, obviously the voices, yeah, obviously the EVP shows that something was there, but we didn't see a kid at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, good enough.
		Here it comes.
		Let's all listen very carefully.
		Here we go.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You can go and go play in Derrick's room.
unidentified		Okay?
		Go ahead and go play.
		Oh, wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that was clearly, clearly, clearly a child and clearly responding to a contemporary offer.
		You know, go play.
		Listen.
		Oh, man, this is one of the better ones.
		Listen to this again.
unidentified		Go ahead and play in Derrick's room.
		Okay?
		Go ahead, go play.
		Okay.
		Okay.
		That was...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's one of the ones that, in my mind, is already in the category of almost too clear to believe.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And I need to explain, as he's saying, go play in Derek's room.
		Derek is their son.
		And he was not there at the time because we don't allow kids when we're doing investigations.
		So he was not in the house at the time.
		But this little boy has been reported being seen in this Derek's room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aye, aye, aye, aye.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Because, of course, it's a little boy's room, so where else is a little boy going to go?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		In fact, there's some automated toys that when the son hasn't been home, that'll start playing by themselves.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		They know that this little boy ghost is hanging out in the child's room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One more time.
		I have to hear this one more time.
		You see, I don't hear these folks purposely until the show.
		I don't want to hear them because I want to react the way I think the audience might be reacting.
		This one really grabs me.
unidentified		You can go and go play in Derrick's room.
unidentified		Okay?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, go play.
unidentified		Okay.
		Okay.
		I'm just saying this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's too much.
		That's really too much.
		I mean, how do you all react when you hear, I mean, there's no mistaking that one.
		That is a child's voice.
		That is a child's voice.
		Straight out.
		No mistaking.
		No hiss on the tape.
		There is no tape.
		It's a child's voice.
		So I know, Barbara, it troubles you kind of the way it troubles me.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, I still, every time we record any children's voices, I almost expect now to always get children's voices for as many times as we have, but I still cannot understand why there are so many.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Unless it's their energy, you know, how much energy children have.
		I just cannot explain it why there are so many.
		And they are definitely, there's no question about it, that they're children's voices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it's easier as an adult to understand you're dead.
		You know, I mean, who knows what the moment of death, or more likely, the moment after death, is like.
		And it may well be that we don't know for a period of time that we're dead.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I believe that because of people having been pronounced clinically dead and being brought back and revived, people that have experienced that have said that they did not realize that they were dead until they saw their body.
		It was just like walking from one room to another.
		And there was no concept of being dead until they actually saw their physical body lying there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But a child.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And so a child, I would imagine, does not realize they are dead when they are in the middle of the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, an adult, for example, that is ill might have an expectation that they could die.
		An adult who is very old might just have a general expectation their time is short.
		But a child would not have such an expectation.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And that's the only thing I can think of why we do record so many children's voices is that they do not realize that they are dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here comes number three, again, I assume, from the same house.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		In this clip, you're going to hear the homeowner, he's referring to his wife.
		She had felt some, like a rush towards her the previous night before we had got there.
		And felt, she said it almost felt like she was being hugged, like somebody hugged her around her stomach, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And so you're going to hear the owner, and he's referring to his wife, he'll say, did you hug her last night?
		And you're going to hear this child say, it be okay.
		Now, Brendan hears, it's going to be okay, but I just hear it be okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's see what we hear.
		here it comes Oh, oh, boy, is that clear.
		I think it be okay is what it sounds like.
		I want to, again, I've got to hear it.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Did you hug your last night?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, geez.
		It's immaterial.
		It's going to be okay.
		It'd be okay.
		I don't know one or the other, but clearly, there's no way that's not a child's voice.
		That's a child's voice.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's definitely a child's.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can only imagine that the two of you, even more, sitting around a table running into these on the hard drive, must have totally freaked.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're quite astounding.
		I mean, when you do record this type of thing, sometimes it's astounding.
		No matter how many times you get EVP, when you hear these voices, you know, sometimes you're just completely blown away by it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, you're definitely correct, especially with the digital recorder.
		It really did blow us away.
		Just because we were expecting not to get anything.
		And especially to hear the clarity when we did get something, that really shocked us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a big leap for the GIS to be moving into this, obviously, and for the program here, because the clarity is just, I mean, it's absolutely astounding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One last time for my benefit.
unidentified		Did you hug your last night?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, in the repeat, in the repeats, it sounds like you brought the audio level up a little bit.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, correct?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I amplified the last two loops on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you didn't otherwise process them?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, not at all.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You don't need to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, number four.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, this one, I was with the homeowner, and we were up in his bedroom, which is another place where he said he's seen the child.
		And he had one of his son's toys because he knows that the ghost child seemed to like to play with his son's toys.
		And so he set the toy on the ground, and you'll hear him say, here, buddy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be the homeowner saying.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		The homeowner.
		Yes, that's correct.
		And right after that, you hear a child say, and it sounds like the same child saying, I see, good, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here it comes.
unidentified		Hey, buddy.
		Okay.
		Thank you.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
		I'm telling you, these are too much.
		These really are too much.
		These are the wildest ones you've ever come to me with yet.
		We're going to do this one more time.
		And there's a pause.
		There's a pause in that child's voice that's kind of creepy.
		It's kind of like a conclusive thing for the child.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen very carefully one more time.
unidentified		Good buddy.
		Let's see.
		Okay.
		okay okay okay Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, when you can hear the change in intonation in the child's voice in the second good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God, is that creepy?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And he sounds so young.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He sounds just like a young boy almost in a contemplative state at the end where he's saying, good.
unidentified		good i i didn't do right but i mean You can't imitate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's that change in...
		You can't imitate that, can you?
		That's...
unidentified		Hey buddy...
		Baby Baby Baby Baby Okay.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now I could hear in the background, very lightly in the background, I think I heard somebody else say something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody was in the room, or I couldn't make it out, but I could hear some other sort of muffled voice compared to that.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		GIS member Roger was on the stairs talking at the time that that was recorded.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		To the lady of the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, you guys.
		I don't know how you do this.
		I just don't know how.
		Do we know who this child is?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, but we're trying to find out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you do that?
		I mean, do you begin then, do you look back into the history of the house and try and find a time when a family had a child that died in the home?
		Or how do you begin such a process?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This is a new home that he has lived in for the last several years.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		He's the only owner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a new home.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then that rules that out.
unidentified		Could it be the property?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I honestly don't think it has anything to do with the property or the home.
		I really believe it's him.
		I believe that being a funeral director, he has contacted the spirits on the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well then you had to go to him, I'm sure, and ask how many children in recent years he has.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		He is buried.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I asked him that when he called.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And what we'll do is a few voices down here, voice number eight, we'll get into that a little bit more because it kind of goes along with the story of the voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How is this man handling this?
		I mean, you know, it would be bad enough to think that you're haunted to the degree you'd pick up a phone and call somebody like GIS, but then to hear what GIS records in your home, that would be over the top, totally.
		I mean, if you lived in that home, it's easy enough to sit out here in the audience and, you know, rationalize this away.
		But if you were the guy who had called you and then you heard this, and I presume you've played all these for him, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, we have not played these for him yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you have not?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, we'll do that tomorrow night.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we'll do it tomorrow night when we do our follow-up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has it occurred to you he might be listening?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I doubt if he stays up this late.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		He's a businessman, and I don't think he stays up late.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		On top of that, they haven't been getting a whole lot of sleep lately just because of the activity that's been going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can see that.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You know, and not only have they seen this child, they have also seen a man in a blue flannel shirt in the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And so I don't believe that there's just one.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think that there is more than one there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then what is the implication here that those who attend the dying, or no, excuse me, the dead, within a very short period of time of that death may have something attached to them?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, I wouldn't be surprised.
		It would be interesting if there are any other people that work in funeral homes tonight would let us know or let you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet most of them are going to be unwilling to even talk about it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		They definitely might be just because of the nature of their business.
		They don't want people to know that they experience this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not something that you would want your past and potential customers to be aware of, is it?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's definitely correct, and that's why we won't use this man's name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		I wonder if anybody else would be willing to come forward.
		Funeral home workers, as well as those who manage your own, maybe some of the workers, the people who do the drudgery part of the work.
		I guess there is drudgery part of the work in that kind of a job.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And in that kind of job, I would think that many people experience ghost phenomena just because of the nature of their business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has, I think I've asked you to this before, and I think I'll ask again now, but just to see if you've revised your opinion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has this changed the way either of you wish your own personal deaths to be handled?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, not me.
		I feel like when my body dies, I want to be buried, and, you know, I want the cheapest funeral possible.
		Cheapest box.
		I feel like how I am as a person will determine how my life is after I die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, cheap box.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brendan?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm definitely going to have to agree with Barbara.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I think the whole thing is how you act in life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought you were going for cremation.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I mean, that's just a personal preference, but I don't think it would affect anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we'll be back.
unidentified		Stay put, everybody.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I do this kind of material, and I've done it for years and years and years, and every now and then, there's something that's too much for me.
		Once upon a time, when you were nine, that last EVP is haunting me, and I'm not exactly sure why.
		I think it has to do with the obvious intonation, and it's clear enough, you know, that you can hear that child voice pause in between words, meditate almost, and then add an intonation that makes it so unbearably dramatic if you listen very closely.
		And, you know, the man of the house says, here, buddy, as though he's talking to a child and just listen.
		Just listen.
unidentified		Here, buddy.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		okay okay okay okay All right, once again, welcoming GIS members, Barbara and Brendan, back to the program.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, gee, I just don't know what to say about these.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've really taken it to another level with these recordings.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, definitely.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I definitely, from the second we got our first voice with the digital recorder, I mean, I could tell automatically how much clearer it was and how much easier it was going to make it for us to hopefully understand what's being said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that it will bring with it any criticisms of, I don't know, more easily tampered with, for example, since it's in digital format when it's on a hard drive?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But we get criticized now, you know, and so it's not going to make too much difference as far as I'm concerned.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Anytime you're dealing with this subject, I mean, you're open to criticism, and we expect that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, we should do this.
		We do it every program.
		You're not the only ones who can do this.
		I mean, if somebody thinks you're full of it and they would like to take the trouble not just to express that emotion with some terry email they tear off or whatever, but rather go out and try it for themselves, they can do that, can't they?
		In other words, there's nothing you all are pretty good at it because you've been doing it a long time, but somebody can go out and duplicate your results, right?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		You can spend as much or as little money on this as you want and still get really, really good results.
		All you need, literally, is just a tape recorder, preferably with an external microphone.
		It clears up the voices.
		Obviously, a digital recorder works.
		I mean, we figured that out.
		Also, alternatively, you can go to our website and we have a whole page describing just how to record EVP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that include the newer digital hard drive format?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, literally, it's all virtually the same.
		You do it pretty much the same way.
		The biggest thing we can tell people is if you are using magnetic tape, to always use brand new tape and to talk to them like they're regular people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, talk to a ghost as though it's alive.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right now.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, ask it questions.
		Say, I know you're here.
		I mean, I know you can hear me.
		Ask what it's like where you're at.
		What's your name?
		I mean, things that you would ask to a normal person if you were just going to introduce yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, other than the child's voice that still haunts me, it says it's cold and dark in here, whatever it was that child said, what have you two learned about what it is like on the other side?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Really, not a whole lot.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think it shows, it demonstrates that you're still aware and you still have emotions.
		I think that's been proven beyond a doubt.
		You still have emotions after death.
		There's still a want and a need to try to communicate.
		They're obviously aware of us when we're there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're probably, I guess they're aware that they suddenly have a means to communicate that they didn't have before you arrived.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It would seem that way, but there's some voices where we don't hear anything from them again.
		And obviously we mentioned this before.
		We're trying to utilize that real-time recorder that you kept bringing up to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure.
		Are you experimenting with that?
		And what we're talking about here, folks, is you could have a recorder where you'd have a record head, and then you'd have a playback head active, and you would actually hear in real-time what was being said to you rather than having to take the recorder or the hard drive back and play it back and pick all of this out hours later.
		You'd have the ability to be truly interactive with the entity because you'd hear the entity voice within a second or two or three or four of when it was said.
		So you could then respond and start to become interactive.
		That was the concept that I gave you all.
		Somebody provided you with some kind of machine, right?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		A man named Christopher Helms has built us, well, initially he built us two real-time recorders.
		And we played some voices from them on the last show we did with you.
		And there were a couple bugs that needed to be worked out with tape delay and background hiss and things like that.
		We're actually working on our fifth model right now.
		And just testing it, it is so much clearer than the previous models.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This, of course, could also be done.
		It would require a little tricky electronics, but it could be done with a hard drive as well, by the way.
		Let's proceed.
		Number five, we're not going fast enough here.
		Number five.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Okay, this next one, we had just entered into the house, and you'll hear the homeowner say, oh, let me close this door.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And then you'll hear this child say hi, and it sounds like it giggles and then says hi again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
unidentified		I'm really close to this dog.
unidentified		I'm really close to this dog.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Number one, clearly a child's voice.
		In this one, I can't so clearly identify that it is a giggle necessarily.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it sounded like it was saying something, but I can't make out what it says.
unidentified		Brendan, this might be a giggle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's all listen one more time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is that in between?
unidentified		I really chose this dog.
unidentified		I really chose this dog.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That could be a giggle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, as easily as anything else, it's indiscernible to me what that is.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But he says high at the end.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Clearly, a second high.
		So it was high, something, high.
unidentified		High.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it really, it really does sound like a child's voice, doesn't it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like the same little child.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there was, to be completely clear, there was no child in the house.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There was definitely no child in the house.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We never allow children with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For what reason?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, you would not be able to tell if it was the child present or a ghost child if you recorded a voice for one thing.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And on top of that, children are obviously scared of this, and we don't want to scare people with this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you do a really good job.
		You're doing a job on me.
		So, I mean, you know that this scares people.
		How could this not scare people?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, if it was me, this would be comforting.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, as weird as that sounds, this would be comforting to me if I was questioning, you know, if there was anything on the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number six.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, this one, I was in the basement with the homeowner again, and you'll hear the voice, it's the child's voice again at the very beginning of the clip, and you hear the child say, you, daddy.
		And then next, you will hear the homeowner say, now you've been recording for the voices.
		And he's talking to me.
		He's asking, so you've been recording for the voices.
		And then I kind of say, mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but the child's voice is you, daddy, huh?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's almost like he's referring, the child's referring to the homeowner.
unidentified		Okay, here we go.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Now, you've been recording for the voices.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
		New warriors.
		New warriors.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's your daddy.
		You, daddy.
		I mean, you can clearly hear you, daddy.
		That would imply, I wonder what, you, daddy, that the child thinks of this man as dad or that the child might be communicating with, in fact, its father.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's possible, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you just pick that up.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That could be the man that he has seen in the house.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		But it also may explain some of the attachment that this child has to the homeowner.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, it may explain why the child has followed him to his house, because I honestly believe it was at one of the funeral homes that this man has visited.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if it is a child, and this child is trapped in this plane, and this child is trapped with a funeral home director, what steps does the GIS take, or do you ever take, or have you thought of taking?
		I mean, this is so sad in some ways that you want this child to move on rather than being trapped in this plane, if that's the case.
		Have you ever called anybody?
		I mean, I don't know, gee, a priest or somebody to try and assist this spirit of this child to move on?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, but there have been occasions when we have told them that they don't have to stay here.
		There was an occasion at one old torn-down, well run-down theater that's been torn down since, that had a lot of ghost activity in it, a lot of children's voices we recorded, some that we've played on your shows.
		And there was one particular night I told them that they do not have to stay here.
		There's no reason for them to be in this building.
		They can go on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's move to number seven.
		Again, same house.
		What have we got here?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		On this one, you'll hear the homeowner say, oh, really?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And you'll hear this voice say, you don't have to tell me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And here we go.
unidentified		really.
unidentified		Why are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't have to tell me.
		I think that's what I heard.
		You don't have to tell me.
		Is that what it was that said?
unidentified		Not really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't have to tell me.
		That's exactly what it sounds like, isn't it?
		You don't have to tell me.
		Some voices are clearer than other voices, aren't they?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This one sounded like it was a little distance from the microphone to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		But again, how is this being imprinted on the hard drive?
		Is it through the microphone?
		If you run a hard drive without a microphone, do you ever get EVPs?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This one does have external mic with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		But it also has an internal mic.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I guess the only way would be to somehow cut the mic and find out if anything recorded afterwards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		have you ever just run tapes without the benefit of a microphone over the years uh...
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		well actually we did a couple of times and never received any results with it but that would depends on what kind of microphone it is uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		that would imply that it's being imprinted upon the microphone itself That's true.
		In some way.
		And you never received anything minus a mic, huh?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We never did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On to number eight.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		This voice is interesting.
		Because when I heard it, I was noticeably shaken by it.
		I couldn't believe that I did record it.
		The story that goes along with it is rather interesting, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We walked into the house and we had been conducting the investigation.
		This is the same house, for probably the last 40 to 50 minutes.
		And everybody in the GIS and the homeowners were upstairs.
		I decided to go downstairs by myself into the main level of the house.
		And I walked into their living room area, which as soon as you walk in, on the wall is a giant mirror.
		And that was the first thing that caught my eye was this mirror.
		If you look into it, you see the kitchen, which is directly behind you.
		It's almost in the same room.
		Well, I walk in there, and I'm looking around, doing my thing, you know, asking, is anyone here?
		Can you please talk with me and that kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I look up into the mirror.
		This is the second time I look at the mirror, and I swear I see a kid run behind me in the kitchen, directly behind me.
		Now, the interesting thing is, the kitchen has no doors whatsoever.
		And the second I saw it, I knew something wasn't right.
		I mean, I tried so hard to rationalize this, but I couldn't.
		And the other thing that bothered me is, you know, it happened pretty quick, but I realized when I looked at the kid, I only saw him probably from the shoulders up because he was so small, that his neck was on sideways.
		I mean, his head was actually on sideways.
unidentified		Oh, brother.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, his chin was on, he was running forward, but his head was facing towards me.
		His chin was almost on the back of his shoulder.
		I mean, his neck didn't look like it should be that way at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Shades of the Exorcist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Shades of the Exorcist.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, and actually, that's the only thing I can compare it to, is that scene in The Exorcist where the head moves around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's what I thought.
		Gee, that sounds cheery.
		All right, and so number eight here is what?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, what you're going to hear is me say, is anyone here?
		And then there'll be a slight pause.
		And then a voice comes in, and it's a child's voice saying, either I'm Game or I'm Gabe.
		And at that time, that's right when I saw this thing in the mirror.
		And right after that, you'll hear me say, no way, because I'm trying to rationalize it, saying there's no way I just saw that.
		And then you hear the kid laughing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Is anyone here?
		no way No way.
		I'm a game.
		No way.
		The sunsets come, the sunsets go, the clouds flood by, and the urchins hold, and the young bird's eyes do always grow.
		And she both fly, she both die, she both die.
		The sunsets come, the sunsets go, the clouds fly.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that one goes right over the top.
		Not only do you see the entity of the child, not only do you see it, but you hear it as well.
		We'll replay that one for you in a moment.
		I agree with Darren in Decatur, Illinois, who just asked-blasted me.
		Brendan's no way clinches it in that last clip.
		I would have totally Freaked.
		Actually, I'm freaking anyway.
		I hear you.
		I hear you, Darren.
		Here it is once again.
		This is not only interactive, but this is an entity cited, a scene by Brendan as the conversation went on.
		Listen very carefully.
		The first one, first voice, who hears Brendan saying, as they usually do at GIS, is anyone here?
		You know, it is anybody around.
		Listen to this.
		Is anyone here?
		Is the way it begins?
unidentified		Does anyone here?
unidentified		No way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm game is what the child says.
		I'm game.
		And then the giggle, there's no possible mistake being made here.
		This is a child's voice.
		Yeah, Brendan, how did you handle that?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I personally, every time something happens to me, barring AVP, you know, I visually see something, I try my best to rationalize it.
		I mean, I try everything possible to rationalize it.
		And this, to me, is one of the few times I can't rationalize it.
		I cannot figure out any other explanation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll let the audience decide for themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number nine.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Okay, on this next one, you'll hear the lady of the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The same house?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		She'll ask, what's your mom and dad's name?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And the reply sounds like Oliver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's take a listen.
unidentified		What's your mom and dad's name?
unidentified		Call a baby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so here's the wife of this poor man who's had this fellow him home participating, asking, I guess, on behalf of the GIS, what's your mom and dad's name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does sound like Oliver.
unidentified		Hey, sweetie, what's your mom and dad's name?
		How about you?
		How about you?
		How about you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it sure does sound like Oliver.
		It could be something else, but that's what I would have guessed as well.
		And again, the child's voice.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It also, I don't know if you noticed, but at the beginning, before she starts to ask the question, it sounded like that child's voice at the beginning.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Right at the beginning when she started to ask the question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me do that again.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, no, no, no.
		Listen at the very beginning.
		You can hear the child's voice just before the question.
		Hear it.
		Listen very carefully.
unidentified		Listen, what's your mom and dad think?
		How about you?
		How about you?
		How about you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That child was saying something.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You're saying something at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're exactly right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's the same tone and everything.
unidentified		Whoo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're exactly right.
		It's the same tone and everything.
		I hadn't heard that until you pointed it out.
		Thank you.
		It's almost like the child got interrupted.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I get, how frequently does that occur in EVPs?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That happens a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's very aggravating when we will talk over a voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Because you don't realize that they're saying something at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Now we're moving on.
		And at number 10, what have we here?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, number 10 was recorded in an old rundown hotel called the Parko Hotel in Wyoming.
		And the hotel itself was just amazing.
		It's just a huge hotel with nobody in it.
		And the man who owns it was nice enough to let us stay overnight in the hotel.
		And, I mean, it was so weird because I almost felt like the shining.
		I mean, we just had this whole hotel to ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you think about going to find an axe or something?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Although we did play 1930s style music in the ballroom to see if that would get anything going for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so what have we got here?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, this was recorded by GIS member Roger, and you're going to hear Jenny say, GIS member Jenny say, you know that beam right there?
		Is that what you're talking about?
		And then you'll hear a voice say, barber.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Barber?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it was recorded somewhere close to the barber shop that was inside this hotel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		okay here we go Yeah, that's pretty clear.
		That's a man's voice, right?
		Yes.
		And it's clearly, I think, saying barber or barb.
		It couldn't be barbara.
		I didn't hear that much.
		Yeah, it sounds like barber.
		Ooh, weird.
		Okay, and number 11.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This was also recorded in the same hotel by Roger.
		You're going to hear Barry, GIS member Barry, say, that's just a piece of crap my kid let me use.
		And you're going to hear EVP, they were walking out of the ballroom, Roger and Barry, and you're going to hear somebody call after them, hurry back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		alright let's listen to this ok her yeah that's it same man's voice clearly
unidentified		saying hurry back Same guy.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hurry back.
		Well, you know, maybe these entities really do like.
		You know, I mean, off in that other on the other side, obviously they're not noticed or, you know, even imagined frequently to be present by the living.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so maybe they're real happy to have somebody around who.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Many of them do enjoy having people around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Yeah.
		Exactly.
		You know they're there, and they know that you know.
		And that's really, really interesting.
		But I don't know.
		I don't think I'd go stay in a hotel like that.
		But it's got to be better in a graveyard.
		All right.
		On to number 12.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, in this one, we're in a graveyard.
		Me and GIS member Barry were walking around in a cemetery in Wyoming, and I had made a comment that a lot of the headstones we were passing were Mason headstones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And I said, I bet this whole place was built by Masons.
		And then you hear Barry, you won't hear that part, but you hear what happens right after.
		I ask Barry, are you recording?
		And then he says, yes.
		And I say, good, because I'm sure you just got a voice, you know, being kind of sarcastic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And a voice comes in that sounds like it says, I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Masons, huh?
		The Masons.
		All right, here we go.
unidentified		You record them?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's some trees that go on the board.
unidentified		I'm here.
		I'm here.
		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I'm trying to pin down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that sound like a woman's voice to me?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like an older woman to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the way it hit me, too.
		An older woman.
		One more time.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Irrecordable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		good country.
		Just got to avoid it.
		I'm good.
		I'm good.
		I'm good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so indeed, you got the voice.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An older woman.
		Okay.
		We just need to keep moving.
		We have so many, and we've been talking so much.
		Number 13.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This was recorded up in Idaho at an old school that's now a museum.
		And you'll hear the gentleman that brought us there saying there's a lot of neat history behind the building.
		And we were walking along the side of the building outside, but there was a voice that told us to get out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get out?
		Oh, really?
		Get out?
		All right, let's listen.
unidentified		There's a lot of neat history behind the building.
unidentified		There's a lot of neat things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it said get out.
		That's not good.
		Let's hear it one more time.
		And it was sort of a...
unidentified		There's a lot of neat history behind the building.
unidentified		Ha ha ha ha ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you get back, of course you don't hear that at the moment it's said, but when you get back to the GIS office, wherever that is, and you sit down and you have dredged this up, particularly in that tone of voice, do you make it a policy not to go back to that delay?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, you don't.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I will always go back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Haven't you ever worried that such a decision you could live or die to for regret?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, it hasn't happened yet.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we've been on plenty of investigations where we've been told to get out, and we still go back and have been fine.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think people's fear is what would injure them worse than any typical ghost activity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To you, maybe typical ghost activity, not to me.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Bart, I want you to go out with us sometimes.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll make plans now.
		Can't we have a nice, like a night like tonight?
		See, where there's a big full moon, and like I was describing to some call earlier, you know, a mist that covers about half the headstone so thick you can't even see your feet, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We would give you a whole different perspective.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm sure it would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll put that on the I'm Thinking About It in the gray box.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, number 14.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, this one was recorded at the same school, and you're going to hear a child's voice at the very beginning, and we're not sure what the child's saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And then you're going to hear a man named Chris say, I think that house probably should have, and then he kind of drowns out, and I didn't even transcribe what he was saying.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So the child's voice at the beginning is the most important part.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's what we're listening for the very beginning?
		Yes.
		And you're not sure what it says?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We're not.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I've listened to it over and over again, and I just can't figure it out.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But it is a child's voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's see if we can get it.
unidentified		I think that half play should have a point again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I, I, I I can't get that either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't make it out.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it almost seems like it's fast.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It almost seems like it's talking extremely fast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think so?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, just playing it over and over again.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's how it sounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's hear it one more time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, listening for something very fast?
unidentified		I think that house probably should have...
unidentified		What?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		...I just drank in.
unidentified		I don't know where he's going to have.
		I don't know where he's going to have.
		I don't know where?
		I don't know where?
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I can't say that I hear a lot of speed there, and I can't make out what I do here.
		So I'll just put a big question mark by that one.
		But that is a child's voice.
		That's about All I can say.
		Yeah.
		Number 15.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This was recorded by Roger.
		We were at a cemetery, and he had said something funny.
		You'll hear Jenny laughing, and she's saying, I think I'm going to go sit it back in the car because the mosquitoes were so bad.
		And this one is quite comical.
		You'll hear a woman, she sings so long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She sings so long?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like she's singing, and she says, so long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is what I've got to hear.
unidentified		All on earth.
		All on earth.
		All on earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if I heard the singing part.
		I clearly heard the so long.
		That wasn't hard to hear.
		Let me live one more time.
unidentified		Take the name of the nation.
		All of us.
		All of us.
		All of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so the so long is very clear.
		I don't know if I heard the singing part, but so long.
		Definitely was what that lady said, and that was a lady's voice, right?
		Yes, yes.
		So long.
		Again, this comes pretty close to the interactive contemporary statement.
		I mean, you're going to get in the car, that's goodbye time, and so long.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, to me, that's one of the most fascinating aspects of EVP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To me, that's the most worrisome aspects of EVP.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I mean, that's all on your own personal list.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, it is.
		But look, it indicates to me that they've died and that they're still hanging around the cemetery waiting for you all to get there.
		Now, I know that you say, or you've said in past shows, that cemeteries are not necessarily any better or worse for gathering these sorts of things, but then you keep going to the cemeteries, so they must be better.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's particular ones that are better.
		I mean, we've gone to cemeteries and it has not yielded EVP, you know, at certain places, you know.
		But there are some that do give you good EVP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then that, I mean, I would say, I'm just going to guess, in all the shows that we've done, 60%, maybe 70%, 60 to 70% of the EVPs we've played on this program have come from cemeteries.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, and to be honest, though, a lot of that was from one or two cemeteries, I mean, over and over again, because we go back there so much because of the results we've gotten previously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but in a way, you're destroying your own earlier argument that cemeteries aren't all that special.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, because like Barbara was saying, there's some where we get absolutely nothing.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's some where we could sit there for two hours and get no voices at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		May I ask this?
		Have you made any correlation between, for example, I was in Paris and I went to a very, very, very old cemetery.
		I mean, you know, 1600s, 1500s, people who died really a long time ago, right?
		And I wonder if you would get as many EVPs in a cemetery of that nature as you would where there have been people recently taken down, you know, very recently taken down.
		Any comments?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, to be honest, I think you would in older cemeteries.
		And the reason is not so much, well, let me put it this way.
		I think a lot of the reason we do get voices in certain cemeteries is the emotion that's involved in it.
		I think that ghosts feed on emotion.
		And what better place to have emotion than in a cemetery?
		And cemeteries that have been around longer have obviously more emotion built up.
		There's been more families that visited graves and things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know, but if your other contention is that you're still conscious on the other side, you're still aware, you still have emotions and feelings and thoughts and awareness of self, then that's pretty frightening because even in the very old cemeteries, those entities are still there.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I really don't believe they have that much of a concept of time.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, and I've said that before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but we do.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, we do, yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And that could frighten us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And honestly, I don't think that's something that we can understand.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't think there's any way we can understand it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
		We're here at the top of the hour.
		There is no way that I understand it.
		I am, however, amazed by it.
unidentified		I've been away.
		The eagle flies.
		Road his wings across all the skies.
		Kissed the sun, touched the moon.
		But he left me much to do.
		Ladybird, he left.
		Ladybird, come on down, I'm your waiting on the round.
		Ladybird, I preach you.
		Lady Bird, I wish you would, you lady bird.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is one particular cut I'm not going to identify right now, but I will before the hour's out that just is going to haunt me until the day I die that I've heard tonight.
		I guess it's different, you know, for everybody.
		We will allow GIS members Barbara and Brendan to answer your questions this hour.
		As soon as we go through the balance of what we've got to do, and that's a little bit here, so we'll get to it as quickly as we can.
		I know a lot of you have questions.
		How can you not, after what you've heard?
unidentified		Creepy, creepy, creepy stuff.
unidentified		Creepy, creepy, creepy, creepy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, back to the Ghost Investigators Society, the GIS, Barbara Macbeth, and, of course, Brendan.
		And I don't know what to say.
		There really was one earlier that just will haunt me forever, and we'll come back to it this hour.
		But I guess we've got to get through what we can here.
		Number.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		16.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that where we are?
		Number 16?
		All right, what can you tell me about it?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, this one was recorded in the cemetery, and it was recorded by GIS member Roger.
		And in this clip, you'll hear me say about every cemetery in northern Utah.
		And I'm referring to that we've probably been to every cemetery in northern Utah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And you hear a child say what sounds like choo-choo or big deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Choo-choo or big deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One of the two, huh?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I hear choo-choo, but Barbara hears big deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see what we hear.
unidentified		about every cemetery in Northern Asia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did you think it said, Barbara?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think he's saying big deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Big deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me try listening for it that way.
unidentified		I'll tell you about every cemetery in Northern Asia.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's funny.
		If I try and listen for one thing, I hear it.
		And then if I try and listen for something else, you hear that?
		I also hear that.
		Yes, I do.
		Yes, I do.
		And so I guess we can all have disputes about what it is being said at times, although some of them are so damn clear you can't.
		But with others, we can dispute about what it is it's said, but not about the manner in which it's gathered and what it is that we're hearing.
		That's the important thing, really, isn't it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there's a voice there that should not be there, and it's different than any kind of transmitted voice on airwaves or anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, once again, I'm going to nail you down here.
		Not that you go to all that many cemeteries, but you were just commenting, weren't you?
		You've been to about every cemetery in northern Utah, or did I get that part wrong?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, no.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We do go to a lot of cemeteries, but that's not to say we record things in every cemetery.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We'll try them out and see.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		But the thing is, we also like cemeteries.
		I mean, I think they're just beautiful places in the first place.
		I mean, not so much.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		They're easy, accessible, you know.
		You can do it day or night.
		You don't have to record just at nighttime to get EVP.
		You can record during the day also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you don't get more at night than day.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, we have gotten some fantastic ones in broad daylight, so the time doesn't matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The time or, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess it's just human beings who attach the darkness with the fear, with the happening of the unknown, but to somebody on the other side, they don't know day from night, do they?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, if they're there, they're there.
		And there is less noise at nighttime.
		There's not as much traffic.
		You're not having to be bothered by other people in the cemetery at nighttime.
		But other than that, you can still record EVP during the day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, number 17.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This one was recorded by Roger at Parko Hotel.
		And you'll hear Barry say, he was talking to me, and he says, remember that you said they used to make them smell nice?
		He was talking about potpourri.
		He used potpourri for fragrance, you know, in the olden days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And you'll hear, I was fooling around with my camera.
		I wasn't paying too much attention, and I kind of stammer around and say yes.
		And then you'll hear somebody say, forget it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Forget it, huh?
		All right, let's see if that's what we hear.
		Now, you know, this is another case of the EVP getting mixed up with something else being said by somebody.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Right in the background.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the EVP was talking over one of the other members.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet that just drives you crazy.
unidentified		It really does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many times have you had really good EVPs mixed up with something?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I can count how many.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		There's been quite a lot that we do, and it really does drive us nuts.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's nothing you can do about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, there really isn't, because you've got to solicit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You feel that the solicitation for whoever's there or whatever is there to talk is an important part of the whole thing, right?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, definitely.
		Definitely.
		That's, I think, one of the most important parts of it, is to talk to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Early on in the projects that, you know, going to cemeteries and so forth, did you all try the other?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, just sitting there in utter, absolute silence, or even taking a tape recorder and just leaving it on a headstone all night long, coming back the next morning and getting it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we got absolutely nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really interesting.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's like, you know, if you don't talk to people, more than likely, they're not going to talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number 18.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		This voice was recorded by a man named Joe Bowman.
		He's the same guy that donated the digital recorder to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And you'll hear him say, should I keep this going?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		He actually came out here to meet with us so we could show him how to do ghost investigations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And you hear him say, should I keep this going, referring to his recorder.
		And I say, yeah, I probably, or he says, yeah, I probably should, right?
		And I say, yeah, you take it with you everywhere.
		And I kind of sigh because we're outside of a mausoleum and I'm just lighting up a cigarette.
		And this man sounds like he says great choice and almost kind of an accent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's listen to this.
unidentified		Should I keep this going?
		Yeah, I probably should, right?
		Oh, yeah.
		Take it with you everywhere.
		Ring out.
		Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the great choice means going digital.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it could be.
unidentified		It could be very well.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that was the voice of the man who brought you this digital means.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that correct?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the first voice was that of the guy that donated this to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How very nice.
unidentified		It was.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It was definitely nice.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful of him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He didn't bring it all the way from Great Britain, did he?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, actually, he's from L.A. He's from L.A. Well, technically, he is from London, but he lives in L.A. now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So at least he didn't have to travel all that far.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is going to make a big difference in the future programs, the quality of the programs that we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You realize that, of course.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, definitely.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I realized that when I was putting this CD together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then will you now, do you think you will be transitioning to more to digital?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've all talked about getting digital recorders.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We're still going to use the regular cassette tapes as well, just to have another recording medium going at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How frequently, when you have two or more recording mediums going, are you able to record the same EVP, but on separate devices, like perhaps a video recorder and an audio recorder?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It happens quite frequently and the things that – the times that we don't record Yeah, that's more interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When it doesn't happen, you mean?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when it only picks up on one recorder and should have recorded on at least one other one.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And it doesn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you assign a percentage to us?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what percentage of the time is it recorded on both versus not?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't even guess.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It happens where it's recorded on more than one most of the time.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There are the occasions that it is only picked up by one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but more than not is it?
		Okay.
		Well, that's even more concerning.
		All right, number 19.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This one was recorded by Roger at the Parko Hotel, and he was talking to a woman that had, we were asked to talk to some of the people in town, and he was asking a woman if he says, you want to wait a little longer for other people to show up.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And this EVP comes in kind of either cranky or sarcastic and says, well, yes, because she hadn't answered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the EVP is, well, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's just...
unidentified		Are you going to wake up a little longer?
		We're going to...
		Ha, ha, ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a pretty good one.
		Let's hear that one more time.
		There is some emotion behind that.
unidentified		well yes are you going to wait a little longer?
unidentified		Well, we'll fuck you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's definite emotion behind that.
		That's pretty good.
		That's a good one.
		you know but that that that would suggest that there is a everything on the other side uh...
		what we should still call the e_t_t_ Yes, it is.
		The other side of life.
		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		A different form of life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a different form of life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, number 20.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, number 20, we've played this on your show once before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we've had people ask us to play it again because they liked it, apparently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		GIS member Jenny recorded this inside of a mausoleum, and I think you'll recall it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's a woman saying plastic eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And is it just the EVP we've got on tape?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can hear people talking in the background, but nothing's intelligible out of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's listen.
unidentified		I'm just going to be back.
		I'm just going to be back.
		Fuck me, guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Plastic eyes.
		Plastic eyes.
		One more time.
unidentified		One more time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And again, for me, that's it could be plastic eyes or it could be something else.
		I'm not sure.
		I wonder why people requested that particular one.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think a lot of what it has to do with is after we recorded it, Barbara called a mortician that works at this mausoleum and asked if plastic eyes has any meaning.
		And he said they use plastic eyes when they're preparing the bodies.
		Because I guess the eyes sink in after so long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
		Oh.
		So they were maybe complaining about plastic eyes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Now I do want to hear it again now.
		Let's listen.
unidentified		I'm afraid you're back.
		I'm afraid you're back.
		Fuck me, yay.
		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, now I don't like that one at all.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I never thought about that before, you know, until we recorded this for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, until you just told me what that might mean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		didn't bother me now.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And I think that's why so many people wanted to hear it, because...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, before it goes too late here, everybody's going to want to know how to contact you.
		And there is a way to contact the two of you, right?
		In fact, GIS general, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Generally?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		There's actually a couple ways to contact us.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You can go to the website, which is www.ghostpics.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we've got a link up, of course, for that, as always.
unidentified		Yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Or you can email us at thegis at ghostpicks.com.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Or you can actually go to the homepage and email each individual member personally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But women, the GIS at GhostPics, that's G-H-O-S-T-P-I-X?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		P-I-X.com.
		You've got your own domains.
		You've got your own email address, and that's the T-H-E-G-I-S, George India Sugar, Ghost Investigators Society, at ghostpicspix.com.
		That's correct.
		That would be email, or just go to the website.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And you can also contact us by postal mail at PO Box 2383 Layton, Utah, 84041-9383.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		L-A-Y-T-O-N, Layton?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		L-A-Y-T-O-N.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Utah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And zip code again, please?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		84041-9383.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		9383.
		So let me read it.
		Appeal box 2383, Leighton, L-A-Y-T-O-N, Utah.
		84041-9383.
		Is that correct?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got one more, and so let's squeeze it in quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number 21.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This was recorded by Brendan with the digital, and we were at this old school up in Idaho, and you'll hear Brendan say, will you let us know you're here?
unidentified		Actually, Jenny says, well, you know, it was Jenny.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Will you let us know you're here?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And the voice says, I can talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On what medium was this recorded?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		This was the digital recorder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was digital.
		All right.
		Here we go.
unidentified		So let's see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		It said, I can talk.
		I can talk.
		And that's not that hard to make out.
		Listen again.
unidentified		It's kind of a...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of an eerie I can talk, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of an, I don't know.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's almost like a drawn-out sound.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's almost like a drawn-out word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it was still clearly I can talk.
		It's clear to me that this digital format, this hard drive thing, is going to take over completely.
		I mean, they're so much better than what we've had in the past that it's just going to take over, I'm sure of it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Quality-wise, I mean, you can't compare it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you guys are now like that commercial where the guy's, you know, happily smiling, going home with the P5 computer while the guy pastes the P6 computer thing up on the sign, right?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, eventually all your equipment is going to be totally, totally useless.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not useless, but you've got to go get new equipment.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it'll save us a fortune on tapes if we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold on.
		We'll come back if it's okay with you and ask some questions.
		Let the audience ask some questions.
		All right, good.
		All right.
		Stay right there.
		I'm Ardbell from the high desert where we don't have fog halfway up the gravestones.
unidentified		Headstones.
unidentified		But we do have a real clear sky and a full moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		AM raging through the night time.
unidentified		Stay right where you are.
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		This is Coast to Coast AM with our bell on the Premier Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You ever noticed I pick a lot of doors music for programs like this?
		Have you ever noticed?
		Remember that story about Paris that I told you about?
unidentified		Paris?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My wife and I went to visit a cemetery.
		Well, you might be interested to know.
		The cemetery we went to, we went way out of our way in suburban Paris to go there.
		It was eerie, a very, very old cemetery.
		Was the cemetery where Jim Morrison was buried.
		We actually went to visit that cemetery to visit the gravesite of Jim Morrison, which in fact we did.
		All right, I said I would very quickly identify the one that totally freaks me out, and I'm going to do it again right now.
		It's number four that got me and gets me and always will get me, I guess.
		There's something about it.
		This was recorded digitally.
		It's very clear.
		It's clearly, obviously, a child.
		And this child is in a moment of internal reflection.
		And you can hear it a voice.
		Because the child says, you know, the man of the house says, here, buddy, putting a toy down.
		And the child clearly says, I see good.
		And there's a pause.
		And that's the reflective, thoughtful moment that just grabbed me by the privates and shook me around for a while here when I heard it.
		And then says, good again.
unidentified		Listen very closely to the intonation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you understand why that one hit me so?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, obviously it's well, first of all, any of the kids' voices is somewhat troublesome.
		But that one, I mean, it definitely shows there's some kind of consciousness behind it.
		I mean, behind what's being said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, those aren't just words.
		They're emotions, consideration, thoughtfulness.
		Everything was in that pause.
		There's a lot in human speech that you can hear.
		It was all in that pause.
		All right.
		Well, look, go to the lines.
		We shall.
unidentified		Let's do this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with GIS.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I had two questions for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, where are you, by the way?
unidentified		I am on my cell phone.
unidentified		I'm in Black Earth, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, go ahead.
unidentified		First one is, have you ever tried using video instead of just audio?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, we use video every time.
unidentified		Have you ever picked anything up on it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We have recorded EVP on video and the audio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think he's actually asking, have you ever recorded anything visually as in what Brendan says he saw during this one EVP?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And have you put those on your website?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we have, I think, about 23 examples of video that we've recorded on the website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what you meant, right, Caller?
unidentified		Yeah, that was the first thing I had to ask.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		The second thing was on number 14 on your recordings.
		I don't know if I could hear it real clear, but that was the one that you can't really make out.
		I thought it somewhat sounded like the child saying, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Really?
		Okay.
		Let's see.
unidentified		I think that house probably should have...
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		I just think of him.
		I don't know where he's going to have.
		Hey, I'm not.
		Hey, I'm not.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't hear that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't hear that either.
		That's very, very interesting, though.
		And it's interesting to see the way people interpret things.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But you could be hearing it correctly, but I don't hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with a GIS.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		I've got a good theory why it's a lot of kids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
unidentified		Okay, yeah.
		Now, here's the thing.
		The Bible talks about the age of accountability when a child reaches that age when it's no longer purely innocent and it knows that it's doing right for wrong.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We have talked about that amongst ourselves.
unidentified		Yeah, now, there's also other guests have theorized that possibly the ghostly realm might be like the highest level of hell, or what we would call, you know, the grand scheme of hell.
		Now, a lot of these kids are dying right after they hit the age of accountability, which is like around eight or nine, it's going to vary for different people because everybody's a little different.
		But if they're dying right when they hit the age of accountability or just shortly thereafter, they haven't had enough time to do a lot wrong in life, so they're getting stuck in this upper realm of hell, and that's why they're getting so many kids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Paula?
		Just a quick question.
		How do you determine the age of accountability to be eight or nine?
unidentified		Well, this is what the experts who study this stuff, I mean, most people know that when a kid is four or five, they really, you know, they're innocent.
unidentified		They don't know that they're doing wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But at a certain point, according to that, but if your logic is correct, then a child of nine or ten who commits murder should face penalties as a full adult if they've got accountability.
unidentified		Well, yeah, well, don't shoot the messenger.
		I didn't set up the system.
		I'm just saying, you know, this is one possibility that if these are kids that have hit that age of accountability but haven't had enough time to do a whole lot wrong, they are getting stuck in this realm.
		I'm not the one who set it up.
		Don't blame me for it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, and that's true.
		I mean, as Barbara said, this is something that we've talked about.
		In fact, it was just brought up tonight while we were all sitting around a table discussing voices.
		And it's definitely something we've thought about.
		The only thing is, I mean, everything with EVP is theory.
		I mean, you know, that could be it.
		That might not be it.
		I mean, there might be some other reason.
		But, I mean, it's as good a theory as any.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have recorded it.
		It actually is a really good theory.
		And, you know, in some dark ways, I agree with that color that by eight or nine, you do acquire a sense of right and wrong.
		But to really believe that, then you have to believe in shifting severe penalties very much lower than they are now.
		And so I don't know.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We have recorded voices that sound much younger than eight or nine.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We've recorded voices that some of them sound like about three or four.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just after they've been talking for a little bit.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Eric.
		Hello to your guests there this morning.
		These people give me my favorite shows.
		I just love these shows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Okay, first of all, earlier you were talking about trying to record without using microphone.
		There's a way of doing it.
		If you cut the plug off of a broken microphone, plug it in, you've got no microphone.
		It cuts off the mic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		So you're using just a dead line.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that's something I think we're going to try with the digital.
		As I mentioned before, we did try it with regular tape recorders and never received any results with it.
		Although, admittedly, we really didn't try it for very long.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But we're not going to do it with this tape recorder.
unidentified		It just means you find an old junk mic that you can cut the plug off of.
		And for number 14, what I am hearing, I'm using an earbud, so I'm getting a very clear sound.
		I'm hearing in our house, it sounds like he's asking if this is in our house.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		In our house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		the only way to test that uh...
unidentified		unfortunately is to listen again uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, that was number 15.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He wanted number 14.
unidentified		I am so sorry.
unidentified		i think that house play should have You still hear it, Caller?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, I can hear in our house.
unidentified		It's like he's asking it with an emphasis on in our house?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I can almost hear that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caller, just a question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does all this affect you?
unidentified		Actually, I'm going to do this.
		My son just bought a brand new miniature tape recorder, and I'm going to be taking that out.
		I'm going to try this.
		I find it fascinating.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It is fascinating.
unidentified		A little scary, but fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a little scary, but fascinating.
		I can't tell you, I know I've had hundreds of people who have emailed me after these shows who have gone out and tried it, and they're all sending me these MPEG-3s.
		What they got, you know?
unidentified		Can I tell you of one that happened to me back in the 60s that was really scary?
		I was taping a Beatles song, Strawberry Fields, and while it was taping, it was just taping normal off the radio or off whatever I was taping it from, and it said, let me take you down, and then suddenly the tape, the recording itself stopped, it sounded like, and it said, in the water.
		And then it went, let me take you down in the water, and then continued the song.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I just know, you know, though.
unidentified		I just about flipped.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		But you know what?
		They screwed with their own records.
		And there's a lot of disc jockeys, and I think people involved in the music industry, in the broadcast side of it, who screwed with those records.
unidentified		Two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's just an opinion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you guys think?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can see Disc Jockey doing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I did it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So y'all.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You know, if you're not there seeing what's happening at the studio, that would be a hard call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, trust me, eventually sheer boredom playing records all the time causes you to become creative.
		Yeah, you have creative energy that's being wasted, and so you apply it occasionally in ways like that.
		So I don't know.
		I don't know.
		As I said, even the artists mess with that one.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with a GIS.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		This is Susie from San Diego County.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Susie.
unidentified		Nice to meet you guys.
		This is so interesting.
		I love this because I have A little angel of my own, and it's kind of hard for parents.
		Well, you were talking about you don't know why you have so many ghost children, and it's kind of hard for us parents to let go of our children.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and I think that might be one cause of it.
unidentified		Yeah, because my experience with my child, I lived 30 years in Mexico, and they have a culture for the dead, which is coming up pretty soon, the 2nd of November.
		And I learned so much.
		I had so much.
		I'm very happy and proud of what I learned down there.
		And when my boy was dying, I was fortunate enough to be there with him.
		He was 11 years old, and his case was kind of irreversible.
		And I was holding his hand.
		That's all I wanted to do because I didn't want to hug him.
		I didn't want to keep him here.
		Because, well, it's time for him to go.
		So I kept on telling him, you know, because I knew he was one step here and one step there.
		And I kept on telling him, you have to go with your father who died three years ago.
		Take your father by the hand and go up to heaven.
		As we know here, you know, we don't know how to explain this.
		And they know better than we do.
		Go up to heaven and take your father with you by the hand.
		Now, I've known some very spiritual people who have seen me afterwards, you know, with these two people behind me, a small figure and a large figure.
		And they were holding hands.
		And I know another thing also that when you dream about somebody who has passed away, you're actually living that with them.
		Because I had that experience with my husband after he died.
		There was something pending that we had to do, and it didn't happen.
		And two weeks later, after he died, it happened in a dream.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, if I may, could I ask you a question?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Do you, when you hear these voices, how does that make you feel?
unidentified		About the little boy, I was thinking, it just gave me the chills, and it also made me feel sad for this little boy because I feel that his father or motherhood's parents didn't want to let him go.
		Now, if you yourself could find out who this little boy was, or this owner of the mortuary, go investigate who died there in the mortuary, a young boy.
		Maybe his family has a videotape of his voice, and you can compare it with the voice that's on your video, on your digital tape.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and like we said before, we did ask the funeral director if he can remember burying any young children.
		He said he's going to look back on records and check on us.
		And tomorrow, hopefully, we'll find out a little bit more.
unidentified		Yeah, let us know, because I'm very concerned about this little child.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We are definitely.
unidentified		I know I helped my little boy make his way to where he had to go.
		And actually, in the hospital, everybody was around me crying and everything.
		And I was totally concentrating on him and helping him.
		I gave him strength to live while he was in this bad state.
		And I also gave him strength to go on to the other world.
		And I know God gave me the strength.
		And now I know I can do anything.
		My little boy, after he died, he just gave me so much strength and wisdom, and he's still giving me every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you're absolutely right about that.
		That if she could go through what she just described she went through with her child, that lady can get through anything.
		I can't.
		It doesn't get any worse.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So I can't even imagine that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, either can I. So she'll get through anything.
		That's good spirit, I heard there.
		Good spirit.
		All right.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with the GIS.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, hi.
		Actually, got to say I really like your show.
		Thank you.
		Yeah, we work late, so we get off a little late.
		Really, not to keep rehashing old things, but the 14, I agree with the last caller that I think it was an inquisitive statement that the child might have been making on the number track 14.
		Right.
		Yes.
		But it sounds like, now that's like I said, I could be just wrong with everybody else.
		It sounds like the kid's saying, I believe, like, they're back.
		Like inquisitive, like they're back again, so to speak.
		Because I think that, what was 13?
		Wasn't 13 saying something along the lines of get out?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's 13.
unidentified		But that's what I was thinking.
		If it was the same schoolhouse, it would make sense if the kid was saying they're back.
		Like, they're back again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Having said all this, sir, how do you feel about what you're hearing?
		I mean, what you're hearing tonight, what does that mean to you?
unidentified		Personally, I've always believed in the afterlife.
		So to me, it doesn't change anything.
		I think there's life after death, and I think some people get caught between both worlds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you think that's what we're hearing?
unidentified		Yeah, I think so.
		I think they're still caught in the schoolhouse, maybe went to school at one time or lived at one time or whatever.
		I think everybody's got some people just aren't ready to let go.
		The only way to put it, there's still a presence there, still a soul, or different things.
		I mean, I know.
		Does it?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Does it bother you at all?
unidentified		No, it doesn't bother me.
unidentified		I think it's fascinating, really.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It is, isn't it?
unidentified		Oh, it is.
		I don't think it's anything you should be scared of.
		I mean, not that there's probably not evil entities out there somewhere either, but I don't think it's something you should be scared of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that loved ones hold the dead here by not releasing them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are a lot of people who believe that.
unidentified		I think that's one possibility.
		I don't think that's the only reason you get ghosts or spirits or anything, but I think that's one possibility that happens.
		I mean, I can give you a quick, for instance, my aunt, when my, or I'm sorry, actually, my great-grandmother, when my father died, they actually had pulled the plug, so to speak.
		And he was in a coma after an accident.
		And when they pulled the plug the same time of the day, the doorbell at my great-grandmother's house rang five or six different times over the course of 10 minutes.
		Every time he answered the door, it would stop, and there was nobody there.
		And then, as soon as they'd shut the door, they'd sit back down.
		Doorbell rang again, and again, this happened quite a few times.
		Same time of day at his parents' house, they smelled his cologne all over the house at the same time that I've heard a million stories like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		We're so out of time.
		I'm so sorry.
		We're short on time.
		Enough time for you guys to give out.
		What do you want to give out most?
		Your web address?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just the website address.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		www.ghostpicspix.com And I don't know, maybe it's time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give me your address quickly one more time.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		The email address?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		The P.O. box?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The email address.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		The email address is thegis at ghostpicks.com.
		Or just go to the homepage and you can email each individual member.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I want to thank you for being here.
		What an incredible program.
		Thank you.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you, Art, for inviting us back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
unidentified		We're swaying in the summer breeze, showing off their silver leaves as we walk by.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, folks, that's it.
		Kisses on us all.
		I will be back, of course, next week.
		George Norrie will be here in the interim as Coast continues.
		This was really some program, wasn't it?
		From the high desert.
		113.
		Good night.

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