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	Welcome to Arkvell, somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 2002.
	From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the known universe, all those time zones.
	I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Hello there, everybody.
	Well, at about 7 shortly after 7.30 this evening, the KNYE telephone began to ring off the hook.
	And people were saying, oh my God, it's a UFO!
	It's a UFO!
	It's a UFO!
	Out West here, oh indeed!
	There was a UFO, shortly after 7.30 this evening.
	But now it's an IFO, Identified Flying Object.
	We know what it was, and it was quite spectacular.
	And by the way, that's of course KMYE, our little radio station here in front of Nevada on 95.1.
	And you can also hear it in Las Vegas, in some parts of Las Vegas anyway, at 100.1.
	That's 100.1 in parts of Las Vegas.
	Check it out now.
	That phone rang and rang and rang, and one lady called and said, Are we going to war?
	Well, That's not as far off base as you might imagine.
	What was launched was a Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile.
	It left Vandenberg at 7.36 PM.
	It's the perfect time.
	You know, the sun is just down, but in altitude, the sun is still up.
	And so when they launch an ICBM at about that time, it gets into the sky and the sun hits it, and it's a two-stager headed off to the Marshall Islands.
	4,200 miles, where it was hopefully going to strike the target.
	You know, the mission was directed by the 576th Flight Test Squadron at Vandenberg, and the 341st Space Wing from Mouser Air Force Base in Montana.
	Purpose to test launch systems and the missile's accuracy and reliability, and it had two unarmed re-entry vehicles.
	So it was really spectacular.
	Now, what we have done, in short order, Is to put a montage of rocket launch contrail photos.
	Now we get those, you know, you as an audience, you're great.
	And everybody ran out with their cameras, and so from California to Arizona to Nevada, we've got a montage up at this hour of what it looked like out here in the West, so that all of you all over the country can see why people totally freak out.
	We've got, let me count them, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 photographs up there presently for you to look at of the rocket launch contrails from Vandenberg today, tonight.
	It really was cool, and these really are cool photographs.
	So my thanks, as always, to Keith Rowan, my webmaster, for getting them up just like that.
	And so we now have an IFO, but it is a beautiful one, and you really need to get on your computer.
	Go to rpo.com under What's New.
	It would be the very first item.
	Wherever you are in the country, you can take a look at what we saw out here in the West.
	Now, since it was an ICBM, what that lady said wasn't so far off target.
	It's just there weren't enough for them.
	Now, if you ever see what's depicted here, and you see hundreds of those, Then, uh, I would say, time to duck and cover.
	You know, under your desk, hands over the back of your neck, head between the knees, lips pursed.
	That would be the real McCoy.
	This wasn't a real McCoy.
	It was a real McCoy.
	It just wasn't a war.
	But, uh, it sure looked like it.
	So if you want to see, I mean, it doesn't matter if you're in Philadelphia and you want to see what we saw out west here that caused the big stir tonight.
	We've got a wonderful montage of photographs taken all over the southwest of what a missile launch looks like when it goes up from Vandenberg.
	Actually, it'd be a good idea for everybody to look at this so that you understand what it is that it looks like.
	And next time you see it, you won't think, oh, it's little green guys!
	Not this time.
	in a moment we'll take a look at what else is going on out there
	stories on the radio Must be Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
	You know, when I started doing this radio program, Jesse, half of the subjects I was really into.
	The paranormal, the unusual, ghosts and things like that.
	Yep.
	The conspiracy stories, you know, I was a little weary about these, other than the Kennedy assassination.
	And all of a sudden, I woke up.
	I simply woke up.
	Is that what happened with you two?
	Yeah.
	That's when I really started to say, what is going on here?
	And I started to truly then investigate 9-11.
	And today, I don't believe the government story of 9-11.
	Here's the three options.
	Either we knew about it and allowed it to happen, or we knew about it and participated in it, or these were the dumbest food that could have ever been in charge of our country who
	could have all this pre-information and I started to think they knew what was
	going to happen they either a part of it or they allowed it to there's no doubt
	in my mind now we take you back to the night of September 19th 2002 on Ark
	Bell somewhere in time all right let's look briefly around the rest of the world
	see there's some Oh, tonight Paul Mueller is going to be here.
	The Skycar Paul Mueller.
	Now, all my life, I have dreamed about the public having a Skycar.
	You know, a car you could go out and get into and just hit lift off and up you go and away you go.
	Now, if I had that here, Las Vegas, you know, is 65 miles, not as a crow flies, but as you've got to drive.
	Just over the mountain.
	If I had a Skycar, whew!
	20 minutes, I'd be in Las Vegas.
	From the time I hit the button, maybe less.
	Oh, God, I would love it.
	Well, Paul Mueller, who's the CEO of that company, came on the show, you know, it's got to be a year and a half, two years ago.
	And he has not wanted to come on since, because he didn't want to come on until he had news, good news, about the Skycar.
	Tonight, he comes with good news, and we'll all take a look at it and talk to him about what's coming, and whether there's a possibility that we might have it in our lifetime.
	Wouldn't that be cool?
	Goodbye to paved roads, goodbye... Now, there are certain things that, you know, you've got to consider.
	I mean, if everybody was flying around in the sky, It could be chaos.
	And so we'll talk about all of that, but... Boy, give me a Skycar any day of the week.
	So that's what we're going to talk about in the next hour.
	We'll have partial open lines this hour.
	Our President asked Congress today for authority to, quote, use all means, end quote, including military force, if necessary, to disarm and overthrow Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein if he does not quickly meet UN demands that he abandoned all weapons of mass destruction at the u
	n iraqi president saddam hussein delivered a divine divine written message
	taunting the u s that idea while claiming that iraq has no chemical biological or
	nuclear weapons saying that he welcomes inspections too
	so i wonder if we're gonna have a war
	a palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up on a crowded tel aviv bus
	killed five people in israeli tanks went right on back to yasser arafat's west
	bank compound and no doubt he at this hour is looking down the barrel of a
	and israeli tank They're great, real big.
	They're big, you know?
	If you ever got hit with one of those, it would just knock you in half, or blow your head off, or whatever, and so it's gotta be a little intimidating to look out your window and see one of those Israeli Or several of those Israeli tanks, with that big hole staring you right in the face.
	That's what he's got at this hour.
	Now, in Cuba.
	Look out, Cuba!
	There's a big hurricane named Isidore, gathering strength.
	And it's headed right toward Cuba's western tip.
	And the small, what's called the Isle of Youth.
	Now they're boarding up everything there.
	Check this out.
	When it hits, shortly, Isidore should dump perhaps over or up to, over two feet of rain, up to 30 inches of rain on Cuba.
	That's one hell of a lot of rain and trouble headed for Cuba.
	And then where she goes from there, only the National Weather Service knows.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	Do you think we have the power to direct hurricanes?
	Been wondering about that for some time.
	Do we have the power to direct major weather systems to divert hurricanes?
	There's some not very good evidence that that may have been done.
	That there already may have been hurricanes diverted from the east coast of the U.S.
	Some of the tracks are interesting, speculatively interesting.
	Would we divert one from smacking Cuba?
	Oh, probably not.
	What do you think?
	Coming from MSNBC, Area 51, truth-seekers, zero.
	That's Area 51, truth-seekers, zero.
	For more than four decades now, an unusual alliance of mainstream lawyers, conspiracy theorists, and UFO enthusiasts have tried to find out just what the hell's going on out at Groom Lake, Nevada.
	They didn't say, hell, I did the top security Air Force facility, better known The Vans and the X-Files as Area 51.
	Now they're going to have to wait at least another year since our president, President George Bush, reissued an executive order Wednesday which bars the disclosure of any information to anybody for any reason about that site.
	Where some say, well, nothing's going on anymore.
	But even lawyers who are trying to sue on behalf of workers claiming they've been harmed in some way from having worked at the non-existent place, they can't get any info.
	Because the President on September 16th, 18th rather, pardon me, and as it has been every year since 1995, signed the order to make sure that nobody finds out anything about anything about Area 51 that doesn't exist.
	Yucca Mountain.
	This is a very interesting article in UFO Magazine.
	I thought it was extremely interesting.
	You know, this nuclear waste that we have is going to have to be maintained for, you know, like maybe a hundred thousand years, or something like that.
	And so, you know, a hundred thousand years, I mean, we...
	100,000 years?
	I mean, it's going to be at toxic, dangerous, horrible levels for 100,000 years now.
	How much time in the human race can we account for right now?
	Huh?
	With record-keeping and all that.
	Since Christ?
	Before that, even?
	10,000 years?
	No.
	Not really.
	We can't really account for much over When Christ walked, I mean, in some ways, but they're pretty sketchy, aren't they?
	So the human race doesn't have experience yet with 10,000 years, much less with 100,000 years.
	Now, that thought in mind, there have been recommendations made about what should be done.
	But with regard to leaving messages for the future human race in every conceivable language, every conceivable way to communicate, that this is a bad area.
	That you should not go there.
	They'll have messages on the walls, near the nuclear material itself, and in chambers, before you get to the nuclear material.
	In fact, Some of the recommendations include things like creation of an atomic priesthood.
	It would be a self-perpetuating cast of scientists who would be entrusted with keeping knowledge of the site alive no matter what happens to humanity.
	An atomic priesthood.
	Something that would have to be passed down to all generations of whatever mutants come along on our planet.
	All we know, humans, as we know them now, in a hundred thousand years, might be just little balls alike, flittin' around!
	Energy.
	Nothing more.
	Even so, the warnings will have to be there, and they will have to be maintained, they will have to be carried forth, generation after generation after generation, for one hundred thousand years.
	So we're going to have to create myths.
	We're going to have to create religions around this.
	So it will be a verboden area.
	It will be thought of as evil.
	It will be thought of as Pandora's Box, and they're officially going to do this!
	So... They'll be building myths around, uh, around the, uh, when they start beginning to bury the South in about ten years.
	Now, I know that you know about this, or if you don't, you should.
	The report coming out very late, I think George had this on the other night, but the Chernobyl plant.
	We now find out, isn't this interesting, so many years later, had a UFO hovering over it for hours, hours and hours, before the explosion.
	Now, I'm told here that it could have been a lot worse.
	I mean, it really could have been a lot worse.
	In fact, it could have been so much worse that had it gone up another way, if that UFO hadn't been there, much of what you see on the map in Europe wouldn't be on the map in Europe at all.
	So bad as it was, and it was bad, nobody would ever question that, it could have been far worse had it not been for the appearance of, believe it or not, a UFO.
	And we find all this out 16 years later, and still in the UFO category.
	Here's a very interesting case for you, and I'm just going to read it to you as is.
	It was called to my attention by Whitley Streber.
	Very interesting story.
	On August 2nd, a witness saw a UFO above Montour Ridge in Northern Berlin, Pennsylvania.
	Now it hovered above power lines, directed a beam of blue and white light to the ground.
	Next, he saw what appeared to be a man suspended in the light, being pulled up toward the UFO head first.
	The man was moving his arms slowly in the light, seemed to be pulled up into the bottom of the craft.
	A few minutes later, the UFO flew west rapidly, stopped again briefly, then flew straight up and out of sight.
	Two days later, check this out, The body of 39-year-old Todd Sees, that's S-E-E-S, was found nearby.
	Sees lived at the base of Montour Ridge and went up the mountain on his four-wheeler to look for deer.
	He told his wife he'd be home by noon.
	Left home a little after 5 a.m., his wife began to get worried around noon.
	Search party organized at 2 p.m.
	Local state police, paramedics, 200 volunteers.
	In the evening of the second day, Something white was spotted in a large, brushy area 25 feet from the pond.
	Police and rescue workers spent 20 minutes cutting and hacking brush and small trees so they could reach what looked like a body.
	It turned out to be the white, emaciated body of Todd Seas.
	It wasn't bloated, so he appeared not to have drowned, nor had he been in a pond for any great length of time.
	His face had an expression of horror on it.
	He was wearing only underwear, despite having been fully dressed when he left his house.
	The FBI arrived within 30 minutes, took charge of the whole case.
	Questioning area residents, three farmers said they saw a large, round, bright object hovering around the power lines at the time of that disappearance.
	It was silent, and didn't move for about 10 to 15 minutes then.
	It shot up and suddenly stopped again, a light shone down, and something was pulled up into the light.
	It then shot up again, hesitated, and flew out of sight.
	One farmer said the UFO appeared out of nowhere.
	And he could see flying sparks from the power line tower as it hovered overhead.
	The entire incident lasting about 10 minutes before the UFO got very bright and took off, flying low.
	His horses were very upset and nervous for about 12 hours after the incident.
	And so, when the body was autopsied, no cause of death was found.
	Two rattlesnakes were spotted in the area, but toxicology tests ruled any of that out, as well as drugs or any other toxins.
	There were no signs of foul play.
	There were no visible cuts or bruises on the body, except from the brush.
	One of his boots was discovered in the top of a tree one mile from where the four-wheeler was found.
	Now, this is a pretty wild story, and, you know, it's really what you would have to call a possible murder by a UFO.
	A possible murder by a UFO.
	Now, this story is on Whitley Streber's Unknown Country website, and if you want to go and find it, you go to unknowncountry.com, and then put in the search engine SEES, S-E-E-S, that's the man's name, allegedly, SEES, S-E-E-S, And the story will come right up and you can read it for yourself, but it does look like, if all this is real, that it's the first pretty well documented alleged murder by a UFO.
	Once again, ladies and gentlemen, tonight's ICBM launch from Vandenberg Air Force Base is documented in photography from all of you.
	On my website right now, Artbell.com, under What's New, we've got a collage of pictures, so anybody anywhere in the world can take a look.
	Go to my website, you will see what we saw out here in the West.
	Pretty cool stuff.
	Very cool stuff, actually.
	Now, if you ever see a lot of those at once, hundreds of those at once, Then you might start thinking about war, because that's what it might be.
	I'm Art Bell.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM, from September 19th, 2002.
	Took a drink around here with me in a windblow With a little girl in a Hollywood bungalow Are you a lucky little lady in the city of light?
	Or did you run along St.
	Joe's city at night?
	City at night.
	City of night City of night
	Woo!
	Boom!
	Whitebird just sits in her cage, growing old Whitebird must fly or she will die
	Whitebird must fly or she will die The sun sets long, the sun sets low
	The clouds fall by, the earth turns slow To the endless night, you always know
	And she must fly She must fly
	She must fly She must fly
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 19, 2002.
	Good evening, everybody.
	And those are the numbers.
	If you want to get on the air, we're going to do about 30 minutes of open lines.
	Just head of Paul Moeller telling us what's new with the Skycar.
	This is my dream machine, the Skycar.
	So we'll get into all of that here shortly.
	Strange things occurring in the studio.
	Ah well.
	Now we take you back to the night of September 19th, 2002 on Ark Bells Somewhere in Time.
	Ark Bells Somewhere in Time.
	All right, as I said, open lines now.
	Directly ahead, anything you want to talk about is absolutely fair game.
	And let us begin with a wild card line.
	You are on the air.
	Hi there.
	Hi, this is Jim from Commerce, Michigan.
	I listen to you on CKLW out of Windsor, Canada.
	How you doing, Jim?
	Pretty good tonight.
	I was very interested in your program last night with a guest you had talking about the marijuana issue out there, your battle initiative.
	Oh, hearing about it, yes.
	Yeah, we had a similar issue that we've been trying to get on the ballot for several, the last, I think, three years here in Michigan.
	We call it the PRA, the Personal Responsibility Act.
	Right.
	So it's quite, you know, it's a very similar thing.
	Just about all the police officers we get, that we ever meet, they all sign the petition.
	Sure.
	They're all sick and tired of this bullying that's going on.
	I know.
	And, you know, we kind of got into some of the history about how this thing, this law, was passed in 1937.
	Some of the shenanigans that went on in Congress, how the head of the American Medical Association pleaded with Congress not to do this, and you can get this out of the Congressional... I know, but you know the funny thing, sir?
	All of that happened then.
	That was then, this is now.
	I think we're enlightened since those days, but the action of our government since those days has not become enlightened.
	Only the people.
	Absolutely.
	It's amazing how enlightened the government became just a couple of years after they passed this law in 1937 because it went from having no law whatsoever against it to being a Class A narcotic that doctors couldn't even prescribe.
	I know.
	I know.
	What I want to say, sir, is that none of that has changed.
	It's still... I mean, we've got the drugs are in billions of dollars fighting this insane Battle.
	This utterly insane battle that's putting people in jail, getting people arrested, giving people records, all for something that is not even as dangerous in any documentable way as the legal drug we have now, alcohol.
	It's insanity to be wasting all this money on it and to be misleading our poor children, who then will go to other drugs.
	I hate the whole damn thing.
	Are you aware of what's happened in England in the last few months?
	No, why?
	They have practically, well, they have decriminalized it.
	They're not even looking for people who smuggled in the country anymore.
	I understand several other countries, Western Europe, are looking at doing the same thing.
	You know, at one time in this country, back when the West was being settled, every wagon that went West from St.
	Joe, Missouri, and St.
	Louis, Missouri, had canvas on it from cannabis.
	They all had rope made from hemp, and the oil in the axles were made from hemp soil.
	You don't need to convince me.
	The Wall Street Journal a number of years ago did an article on the legalization of hemp.
	Not just cannabis to smoke, but hemp in general.
	And at that time, it said the economy would realize about a half trillion dollars.
	One half, that's five hundred billion dollars from the legalization of hemp.
	And of course, during the war, We had hemp for war.
	I mean, you know, we had to have hemp.
	So this whole insane war has really... it's time for it to come to an end.
	It's time for the madness to end.
	That's what I think the slogan ought to be.
	That's what I keep pushing.
	You used to call it the reefer madness, right?
	Well, now it's time for the madness to end.
	And the madness is coming from Washington.
	It's coming from our drug czar, from our administration.
	And it's just a pile of steaming dew.
	Poo.
	And so it's time we changed all this and began to get realistic and stop lying to our children.
	And stop making it easier for them to go on to other drugs, which are damn well dangerous.
	And addictive.
	No drugs should be touted as a good thing.
	Not alcohol.
	Not smoking.
	Not marijuana.
	No drugs should be encouraged.
	Period.
	However, in the real world, people use them.
	People go to cocktail parties.
	People have a drink.
	Some people prefer a little wine and some people prefer a little marijuana.
	And all things told, marijuana is less harmful to society and to individuals in general than alcohol.
	Really, it's time to end the madness, and I hope my state is the first one to take the step.
	I'd be very proud if that were so.
	I urge people to think about it.
	Nevada has always been a forward-looking, forward-doing state that does things that other states won't do, and I have this funny feeling that this time, we're going to do it again.
	East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Jeff in Indiana.
	I'm listening to you on XM Satellite Radio.
	Oh, yes, sir!
	And I want to pass on greetings and salutations from one of your many, many chat rooms.
	It's the real Art Bell chat room.
	We all just wanted to say hi to you.
	Okay, thank you.
	And, uh, I wanted to comment on this picture on your website that you have the three pilots holding the guns, and it says, welcome to the flight deck, Mohammed.
	That just cracked me up.
	I just like that so much.
	In that case, sir, you should like this.
	Listen carefully.
	Good afternoon.
	This is your captain speaking with just a little flight information.
	Coming up on the left, we're going to be catching a glimpse of the Grand Canyon.
	On the right, you can be able to see the Hooper Dam in just a few minutes.
	We're flying at an altitude of 37,000 feet, and our airspeed is 400 miles an hour.
	Couple little facts here, I'm packing a Colt King Cobra, that's a .357 caliber firearm, with a black rubber grip and a 6 inch barrel.
	Also, the co-pilot is carrying a Kimber custom defense pistol, with all the bells and whistles you'd expect from a custom gun of that kind, with an alloy frame and bevel treatment on the entire gun.
	And our chief flight attendant, Roger, has a Ruger Bearcat, a .22, with a hand fluted cylinder.
	All three are capable of piercing body armor at a distance of up to 27 feet.
	And I can put a hole in human bone and flesh the size of the Grand Canyon, which, by the way, is coming up on the left-hand side of the plane, so just sit back and relax and enjoy the rest of the flight.
	That's great.
	That is so great.
	Anyway, it conveys the vocal message that cartoon does otherwise.
	Okay, Eric, thanks for taking my call.
	Yeah, you're very welcome.
	Take care.
	I have thought, you know, since the beginning, that in conjunction with fortifying the doors so they can't be just kicked in, you know, to the cockpit, I think that's underway right now, I hope it is, that the pilots ought to be able to protect themselves.
	And, you know, people argue, and I get all these emails, oh my god, don't you realize that a bullet would go through the skin of the aircraft?
	Yes, and there could be even explosive decompression as a result, however, I argue now, as I argued and have argued since day one, that while it's bad, it's not hardly as bad as hitting the ground at 525 miles an hour.
	I mean, there's definite consequences to hitting the ground at 525 miles an hour, or a building, or anything else, or a mountainside of a mountain, so they're a real bet.
	So, having our pilots and co-pilots and flight crew being able to carry guns to protect themselves and the passengers, It always seemed to me to be a pretty good idea.
	West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, good evening.
	Art Richard here from over the hill in Las Vegas, KDWN.
	Yes, sir.
	I loved listening to that.
	I could just picture the stewardess showing rubber mock-ups of the gun.
	That's right, guys.
	Just like they demonstrate the flotation devices and point out where the doors are, they hold up a Big rubber gun, as the pilot described it.
	That's very good, sir.
	Exactly.
	I have a couple questions from last night.
	My trusty VersaCorder was not on, and while Bonnie was on... Oh, now wait a minute, sir.
	Let's be careful here.
	The VersaCorder is trustworthy.
	Its operator, however, probably forgot to set something on the trusty VersaCorder.
	That's, you're right, I wasn't on.
	It is my fault entirely.
	Cockpit error.
	Exactly.
	My question is, I have two questions perhaps you could answer.
	I don't know if she went over this or not.
	What was the deepest man-made hole she may have found?
	And did she retrieve any artifacts from any of the holes that she'd been in?
	Well, with regard to the deepest she's found, that would have been in Peru.
	Now, she did mention artifacts.
	She didn't get specific about what artifacts she had found.
	She said they leave them intact, where they are.
	With regard to the deepest hole, she said it.
	In fact, the Russians are the ones who have drilled the deepest hole, and there's one hell of a story that goes with it.
	Now, the Russians drilled a hole so deep, this was a All right, remember now.
	We've got the story somewhere, and every time I do this, I bring the story back.
	It was a Reuters story, that's what it was, Reuters, about these Russians who drilled the deepest hole in the world.
	Now, Reuters went on to say that after they got down God knows how far, they lowered microphones.
	This was all allegedly in Siberia.
	They lowered microphones into this hole.
	And the scientists did some recording, and as the story goes, after they heard this recording, they stopped drilling the hole, the scientists split, the whole project ended.
	Now some years ago, I was sent what purports to be what was recorded In that hole, and now maybe when you hear it here, you're going to perhaps understand why those scientists split and why the project ended.
	And the way all of that happened, now if this is indeed the legit audio from that, I think you'll understand why they freaked out.
	here's what they heard the
	the and ladies and gentlemen is what we have actually called
	the uh... voices from
	from hell Wow.
	Now, I know it seems ludicrous, but again, uh, Reuters, uh, reported the details.
	This audio followed to me a few years ago, and, uh, I hold this pretty close to the vest.
	Huh.
	This was a really deep hole.
	And after hearing that, uh, everybody took off.
	And whatever else you think, if you heard that recording, and you were a scientist, and you had been part of the drilling team, what would you do?
	Would you stick around?
	Would you go over and put your ear to the hole to see if you could personally hear it?
	Huh?
	Probably not, right?
	I don't know.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yeah, I was calling.
	My name is Josh.
	I'm calling from Las Vegas, California.
	Yes, Josh.
	And about 7.15 to 7.25 this evening... It was actually 7.36, my friend.
	We were wondering what that was that we'd seen.
	What do you think you saw?
	Well, we were thinking it was some launch from Vandenberg.
	Well, you're exactly right.
	It was at 7.36, actually, Josh.
	And it was a Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile delivering We hope, accurately, to the Marshall Islands, it's payload.
	That was an ICBM you saw.
	We've seen it burst into two afterburners.
	That was the second stage you saw going.
	And if you want to see really good pictures of it, Josh, you go to my website, rbil.com, under What's New First Item.
	We've got a whole collage of pictures of people who saw it all over the Southwest, and they went and got their cameras.
	So, compare that to what you saw.
	All right.
	I appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Take care, Josh.
	You bet.
	Wildcard Line, you are on the air.
	Good morning.
	Yes.
	This is Dr. Daniel in Omaha, Nebraska, speaking of the Air Force.
	Yes, sir.
	STRATCOM and the Future Space Command.
	Yes, sir.
	I wanted to ask you a question.
	They were talking about a UFO over Chernobyl.
	Yes.
	And with a beam and so on.
	Did you know that the Air Force has an airborne laser system?
	I was vaguely aware of such a thing, yes.
	Yeah, they had a lot of 747s sitting around, and they decided to outfit them so that they could take on the terrorists.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah, I don't doubt for one second that we've got all kinds of things ready.
	Now, if war breaks out, I expect that really good observers are going to see all kinds of things happen that people have never seen happen before, and we're going to bring out all the newest stuff.
	Yeah, I figure we'd be experimenting again.
	You have a good evening.
	All right, sir.
	You too.
	Take care.
	East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Hello.
	Is this on?
	It is.
	Please turn your radio off if it's on and proceed.
	This is Jeff from Sumter, South Carolina.
	I listen to you on WDXY 1040.
	In Sumter?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And I've got two things.
	You know, you were talking about the flying car and all.
	Yes.
	Oh, yes.
	That put on my mind, you know, my favorite movie, Back to the Future 2.
	Yes.
	And also, you remind me of, like, Dan Aykroyd whenever he laughs.
	Really?
	When he's doing Tom Snyder.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Well, you have a good night, too, sir, and thank you very much.
	What was to the Rockies?
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Oh, Art!
	Oh, yes!
	Turn your radio off.
	Wow, yeah, I turned it off.
	Okay, here you are.
	Where are you?
	Uh, this is Kevin in Pinot Pier, Arizona.
	Yes, Kevin.
	Uh, you know, I was curious, Art, uh, what year did that, uh, Siberian experiment supposedly take place?
	Uh, you know, that was in the Reuters story, and I, I'm really sorry, but unless we dredge it up, and I, of course, I can do that.
	Keith, I'm sure, has it, uh, socked away.
	We've brought it back numerous times, and we've... Oh, well, maybe you can, maybe you can just ballpark it.
	I think it was a long time ago.
	It seems like it was a long time ago.
	Fairly long ago, anyway.
	Uh, maybe the 80s comes to mind.
	Yeah, because I had heard about it prior to your show, which... Oh, yeah.
	It was news.
	It made news everywhere.
	Yeah.
	That's interesting.
	What do you think about what you heard?
	Now, if you were part of the drilling team... Well, that's hilarious when you ask that.
	Yeah, well, and if you were part of the team when they played it, you know, in the room with a bunch of scientists huddled around, you were one of those guys, what would you have done?
	Well, I'll tell you what, the first time I heard it, I was totally spooked out.
	But as I listened to it recently, it sounded more and more like Grand Central Station.
	It could be.
	Yeah, it does, except for the screens.
	Now, I don't know about those.
	There's almost a couple of discernible words in there.
	I suppose if you sent that to... But my question, nevertheless, sir, was if that's what you heard on the desk in Russia, in Siberia, and you were one of the scientists who heard that, what would you do?
	I'd be looking for my next project.
	Well, alright, thank you.
	See, that's the small matter of the matter, because in Russia it's very hard to get and keep jobs, and even some of the best scientists are not employed, you know.
	Uh, Wild Card Line, you are on the air.
	Good evening, without a whole lot of time here to open the top of the hour.
	Yeah, I just wanted to tell you about a UFO sighting my daughter had.
	That your daughter had?
	Yeah, she's a ten year old.
	She showed it to me, actually.
	She's ten years old?
	Yeah.
	It was about 7.30 in the evening, about two weeks ago.
	And it was a large rectangular object flying About jet altitude, maybe a little bit higher.
	And I was just wondering if maybe anywhere else had ever seen it.
	It was down at 10 feet.
	Oh, sir.
	Listen, my own sighting that I had with my wife was of a triangular object, not as far away.
	So, you know, there's no question about it.
	These triangles, whatever the hell they are, they're flying in our sky.
	They might be our triangles, or they might be somebody else's triangles, but triangles they are, make no mistake about it, and they are flying in our skies, and flying in the skies of Europe, Scandinavia, all over the world.
	These triangles have been reported hundreds, no, make that thousands of times.
	These flying triangles.
	They make no noise.
	They don't fly, as in aerodynamic flight.
	They float, as in Defying gravity, or defying air.
	You know, people said, well, they're balloons of some kind.
	I don't think so.
	I had one go right over my head.
	There was nothing balloon-like about it at all.
	It actually looked rather metallic and real heavy, and not real likely to float at about 30 miles an hour.
	Float is a, you know, an understatement.
	What that thing did was defy gravity, and they're really out there.
	I'm Art Bell from the High Desert.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 19th 2002
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	looking for something Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight's program originally aired September 19th, 2002.
	Close your eyes, and try and imagine going out to your driveway.
	Actually, you wouldn't even need a driveway, you could have a pad, right?
	Going out to whatever you've got outside your house, opening the door, hopping into your Sky car, And then going shopping, setting it for the following coordinates, GPS probably or whatever, and then just push a button and away you go, in the air, like Superman!
	The reality is coming up on the program now.
	Dr. Paul S. Muller is my guest, and it's been a year and a half, two years, I don't know, a long time since we had Dr. Muller on, because he wanted to bring you new information about his Skycar.
	Tonight, you're gonna get it.
	Dr. Muller grew up on a ruled chicken ranch.
	Chicken ranch in southeastern BC, British Columbia, Canada.
	Now, we have a chicken ranch here, too.
	Ooh, those legs.
	At a very early age, it became apparent that Paul had a natural ability and desire to engineer and construct things.
	By the age of 11, the dream of flight had already taken him far along the path that he'd followed throughout his whole life.
	So he built, I guess, a Ferris wheel.
	Which would enable him to simulate flight.
	By the time Paul turned 15, he had built a dozen sports cars to get him from place to place.
	Though already successful, his dream was still unrealized, so undaunted, he designed his first helicopter and began its construction.
	That same year, the helicopter, clearly not an exactly ideal flying machine to the general public, provided reason enough to continue along his chosen path toward what is now Skycar.
	Paul Muller received a Master of Engineering from McGill University in 1961, Ph.D.
	in Aerodynamics from McGill in 1963.
	He knows what he's talking about.
	Dr. Muller was a Professor of Mechanical and Aeronautical Engineering at the University of California, Davis, 63 to 75, where he developed the Aeronautical Engineering Program.
	In 72, he founded SuperTrap Industries and was also Chief Executive Officer of that subsidiary until it was sold in 80.
	He also organized and led the group.
	Uh, which developed, uh, ultimately the Davis Research Park Complex between 75 and 83.
	He founded Mahler International and has served as the company's President, CEO, and Chairman of the Board since its formation in 83, as a spin-off of Mahler Corporation to continue to design, develop, manufacture, and market personal, vertical, take-off, and landing aircraft.
	The company has developed and integrated the disparate technologies required ...for small powered lift VTOL aircraft.
	Skycars, folks.
	These include electronic stabilization and control systems, efficient ducted fan designs, a thrust vectoring mechanism, and aerodynamically stable composite airframe structures.
	The single most significant spin-off technology is the rotor power engine, the Wonkel rotary engine.
	I had a car with a Wankel engine.
	It was cool.
	In 1999, Mahler International completed the development, test, and production of the rotary power engine required in the Skycar.
	Subsequently, the engine was licensed to Freedom Motors, a spinoff of Mahler International, for all applications except aircraft-inducted fans.
	After over 30 years, Dr. Muller's dream to create a versatile, low-maintenance, easy-to-operate, fast, and economically viable, safe, environmentally responsible, VTOL transportation solution is now at hand.
	The M400 SkyCar is a transportation solution.
	The M400 SkyCar incorporates the flexibility of taking off and landing from
	nearby any location with safety and ease of operation by the general public
	So he's talking about all of us in a moment
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	Looking for the truth?
	You'll find it on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
	When you look at what's going on around this planet, it's almost as if someone
	has got a playbook to try to control all these countries all of a sudden.
	I've always said that not everything is a conspiracy, but a lot of it is.
	You know, when you start looking into things, there's only certain set of conclusions you can reach.
	And unfortunately, this is one of them.
	You know, it's very, very hard not to see things like that when you start looking at things in a larger picture.
	Now we take you back to the night of September 19th, 2002, on Ark Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Ark Bell.
	Well, there are certain things in life that become passions, they become compulsions, and flight is one of those things, isn't it, Doctor?
	I guess it certainly has been for me.
	A compulsion is an unfair word.
	Is it the whole concept and the feeling of wanting to fly is like a compulsion?
	I guess it varies a little bit between one type of flying and another.
	I was never desirous of flying in a conventional airplane.
	I always wanted to imitate the hummingbird.
	That special ability they have to take off vertically, fly backwards and forwards, and accelerate like a Ferrari Testarossa.
	And hover.
	And hover, which is the most critical part.
	I was in San Francisco at the International Airport, and a hummingbird came up and hovered in front of my wife's mouth, and actually came forward very gently while it was hovering, and touched her lip, and then backed away.
	I've never seen anything like it in my life, but hovering like that, huh?
	That's amazing.
	I haven't seen anything like it either.
	That was amazing.
	How long have you been dreaming, Doctor, really of the Skycar, I mean of the concept, since early on?
	I think I wanted to.
	I think when I started designing the helicopter when I was about 15, I had really clearly identified something I wanted to do.
	I had built a number of things before that, but there was a real...
	In that part of the world which I lived, it was pretty rural and getting anywhere was quite difficult.
	In the winter time you had to walk through the snow, through a couple of miles to get to school, so the idea of that kind of mobility where you could go where you want, when you want, like Hummingbird, was very exciting.
	How did you do with your helicopter?
	I mean, not everybody builds a helicopter.
	That's a pretty big story all by itself.
	Well, I didn't really complete it.
	I mean, I was much more optimistic and I guess that's characteristic of people who end up
	doing or trying to do what I've been trying to do where you underestimate how complicated
	it is and how long it might take.
	I'm certainly a champion at that.
	But I did build part of the helicopter.
	In fact, interesting enough, the one part that was used by my father was the tail system when the power shut down on our hatchery on the farm and the heat rises in that situation and it kills the baby chicks.
	Before there has to course and so he hooked up to my tail rotor from my helicopter to an electric motor powered by of course a battery and managed to keep the air circulating enough that he kept 25,000 chicks alive.
	So it got some good use.
	So then the Skycar You know, I mean, we've got pictures of the Model 400, the new M400 design on the website tonight.
	A million people are going to go look at it because it is in-blinking-credible, folks, when you see it.
	Wait till they see it.
	This is a personal flying vehicle designed to be used by the general public, isn't it?
	Correct.
	That's the thing.
	It's really important.
	It's designed to be particularly safe and to be inexpensive in mass production so that, in theory, everybody could use it perhaps as an air taxi, as a rental vehicle, or as something one could own.
	Imagine for me that everything goes well, you go into production, you begin to mass produce these at the level of Ford or Chrysler or something like that.
	If you were to imagine that, What do you imagine today's price would be when it rolled off the assembly line?
	We've done some actual fairly extensive analysis of that, and we're so much today the beneficiary of low-cost computer technology, software, and hardware.
	And what we've really done in this vehicle is replace much of the typical mechanical hardware, which is of course the expensive part of any aircraft, with this electronic software, which is cheap.
	You're talking about a vehicle that could be in the price of a quality automobile.
	$50,000, perhaps even less.
	It gets difficult to estimate when you get that low, but it's in that region.
	So, like, Mercedes are cheaper, even, huh?
	Yeah, actually, it's a mid-priced Mercedes.
	Mid-priced Mercedes.
	And, for that money, you might get something that looks like the M400?
	I mean, is that... Yeah, it would be a four-passenger vehicle.
	It would be...
	Uh, we would, uh, obviously be building two passengers and six passenger vehicles, which is pretty much the maximum you can build.
	Sure, but the one we're talking about here would be four passenger life.
	That's a common one.
	That would be the one that would be the most commonly used, right?
	So you could carry four, you could safely carry four people.
	That's kind of like, you know, a small sedan.
	Okay, how do you manage to lift the weight of four people and whatever they've brought along safely vertically into the air and then begin transporting them horizontally and then landing again?
	What has to happen to do that?
	That's a lot of weight.
	The first thing you have to do is become a mechanical hummingbird which means you have to have a pretty high metabolism in the form of a lot of power and that was the critical thing for us that took us a years ago and we actually had the airframe and the undercarriage
	and everything built but we didn't have engines that were powerful enough to be
	able to lift it off and lift it off safely and be able to tolerate an engine failure for
	example or some other kind of failure that would allow you to continue to operate safely.
	Okay, so how did you get that?
	How did you finally get the breakthrough point where you had enough engine to build it?
	Well, we developed this engine.
	Over many years, we've been in the engine business longer, actually, than I've really been in the aircraft construction business.
	We started that 40 years ago, and we've had a continuous engine development program.
	Since then, we've also acquired most of the rotary or Wankel engine technology that was ever developed in America.
	Including the production equipment, so we've been fortunate to put ourselves in a position to produce these particular Very small engines not much bigger than something you can hold certainly you can hold it with your two hands 160 horsepower engine, so then you're saying the Wankel engine was the answer?
	The Wankel engine was the answer, but it's interesting.
	The Wankel engine really never found a home other than in some limited test sports cars from Mazda.
	But I think it was always waiting for this kind of technology because there is no other engine that would be cost effective.
	You could put a turbine in, but it'd be extremely expensive.
	I owned a Mazda Wankel engine car.
	I had one for years.
	And you know what the really interesting thing was that I found out about it?
	I'm always one of those nuts who puts a A compass right up front.
	So I see which way I'm going, because I hardly know.
	So I always put a compass on my cars.
	Always.
	And I put a compass on that one, and I found out the Wankel engine produces a magnetic field.
	And it would permanently freeze my compass toward the Wankel engine.
	Over a period of time, it finally froze that thing toward the Wankel engine.
	Have you ever noticed that?
	No, I've never had that condition.
	We have, of course, any of the electronics we have in the vehicle are extremely heavily shielded because of the dangers of any kind of magnetic field, whether it's from the engine or from stray electric fields.
	So we're very well protected and probably wouldn't pick up on that.
	But the Wankel engine was such a wonderful engine, and as you point out, it was a Mazda.
	And then it just went away.
	And my first question is, why?
	Well, it was in a specialized vehicle that ended up being quite expensive over a period of time as it became more of a high-performance car.
	I think eventually it just didn't have a big enough market.
	It is coming back, and it certainly is timely.
	It'll be back this fall or early spring.
	With another extra 75 horsepower, a beautiful new design.
	Oh, really?
	Just at the right time for the world to believe again in the rotary engine.
	And of course, it's not bad for our project either to have that happening.
	What are the advantages of a rotary engine over the standard piston engine thing?
	Well, the major advantage, say, if you're starting out with a new technology or a new engine, is that it's extremely simple.
	In our aircraft, there's only two moving parts.
	Whereas in a typical engine of the same capability, a piston four-stroke engine, you'd have about 46 moving parts.
	So there's a reliability issue.
	But the other things are that you get an awful lot of power in a very small package.
	The engine is extremely reliable for anybody who's really had a lot of experience with it.
	So, pound for pound, how much more horsepower does the Wankel produce?
	Well, we generate regularly two horsepower per pound.
	Um, your automotive engine probably produces a half a horsepower per pound.
	Wow.
	So there's about a factor of four there.
	That's big.
	The two of them.
	That's big.
	About 400% more.
	Right, and it's true of the aircraft engines produced today.
	They produce about a half a horsepower per pound.
	Some of them a little bit more than that, but never, never one horsepower per pound that we're, we can operate at two.
	In the M400 design, this looks like, you know, a futuristic sports car.
	It looks like some Bruce Wills be in.
	Um, how many walkable engines are in there?
	We use eight small engines.
	As I said, not much bigger.
	Something you can hold very easily in two hands.
	You can almost hold it in one hand.
	They're all integrated with the computers, so it's not like you're really dealing with eight engines.
	The beauty is that, of course, one engine can fail, and the vehicle will continue to operate.
	And we've had that recently when we were flying the 400.
	This is early on, of course.
	Things do go wrong, and we had an engine that did not operate, and we continued to fly the aircraft.
	Safely, yes.
	It's still in one piece.
	That's incredible.
	So you actually have proven that in flight?
	Yes, we did it earlier too with the earlier two-passenger, what we call the M200.
	We lost an engine in that in flight at one point and didn't actually discover that loss until the vehicle had actually landed.
	The M400 is beautiful.
	I mean, it's just flat.
	Easy on the eye, I guess you'd put it that way.
	In other words, You go to my website, folks, Rbell.com.
	Go to program tonight's guest information, and there you'll see Dr. Paul Mueller's name.
	Now, the first thing you'll see is related info, a new M400 design.
	Now, look at it, and when you look at it, Americans buy stuff, cars, because they're sold on the aesthetic beauty and performance of what they're buying, and in the M400, You'll have them.
	I mean, this thing is beautiful.
	You start drooling when you look at it.
	I do, anyway.
	You've got to wipe off the drool.
	Oh, that is some machine.
	Who actually did the design that we're looking at here, Doctor?
	Well, you know, it's a funny combination.
	Form tends to follow function in aerodynamics if things work fly smoothly through the air.
	They typically look pretty good.
	But my major in high school, let's say the course I did the best in is art.
	So I suppose in a funny kind of way, art is something that I've always been very involved
	in and very interested in.
	I come from a family where my sisters are outstanding artists.
	So I got a little help there along the line from heredity I suppose.
	Well, not to mention your Ph.D.
	in aerodynamics, so... Well, that's the technical part, but the aesthetic part, I tried to encompass as much as I could without getting beyond what clearly is needed to be a very successful vehicle.
	There are some exceptions to aerodynamic and beautiful.
	I mean, there are some ugly things that fly, and this happens to be... I mean, you would have to look at this as a sport air car, wouldn't you?
	Well, it certainly has sports car capabilities, and you're right, it does look pretty sporty.
	Oh, it's got sports car written all over it.
	And it's also got, when you look at it, it's got FAST written all over it.
	It's fast, it's very fast.
	Is it?
	Now, how fast is it?
	Well, top speed is 380, and at 25,000 feet, it's capable of cruising well over 300 miles an hour.
	Oh, really?
	And do quite well.
	It's a high performance, it's not a jet plane of course, but it has a lot of the characteristics of a jet plane.
	Small wings, which means it doesn't get upset by the environment.
	It can be windy or gusty and the vehicle can fly through that kind of condition.
	And that's because of small wings?
	Small wings, right.
	You see, you normally have large wings because you have to take off from a runway.
	You really don't want large wings, but that's the only way you can fly at low speed.
	I'll tell you an interesting big wing story when we get back.
	We're at the bottom of the hour, Dr. Muller.
	Stay right there.
	Yeah, big wings.
	And turbulence.
	I've got a couple stories about that.
	He's right about that.
	Big wings.
	Look at it.
	It's got a small wing.
	You're going to want to see this.
	So go to my website and take a look and see a new M400 design.
	The Skycar that Dr. Mahler is building for you.
	Or to me.
	You're listening to Arc Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 19th 2002
	The sun turns the stars to haze We're too hot to stay sleeping
	We had to get out before the magic got away In the morning with the night
	Crazy in the shadows We'll stay here every night
	Till the morning light Yeah.
	Yeah, there's a storm on the move, a siren rings in my head.
	Trapped up inside, I'm tossed to get to bed.
	Can I be cold?
	My whole life spins into a frenzy Am I stepping into the twilight zone?
	Placing the metal in my seat zone I keep looking through the noon and dark
	Where do I go now that I'm on the bar?
	To a dark zone Where the bullet hits the bone
	You don't know When the bullet hits the bone
	I'm falling down the spiral Destination unknown
	Double-clocked messenger All alone
	Can't get no connection Can't get through
	Where are you?
	Well, the night is red With heavy-hearted guilt in mind
	Let's fall from the borderline And the hitman
	Knows damn well he hasn't cheated Have you?
	Am I stepping into the twilight zone?
	Placing the metal in my seat zone I keep looking through the noon and dark
	Where do I go now that I'm on the bar?
	To a dark zone Where the bullet hits the bone
	To a dark zone You're listening to Archbell Somewhere in Time
	On Premier Radio Networks Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM
	My guest is Dr. Paul Mauler, and he's the inventor and manufacturer of the SkyCar.
	You can see the M400 design on my website right now.
	I suggest you do that under tonight's guest info.
	M400, eh?
	They're the real drool machine.
	I mean, you've got to have one, right?
	That's the kind of deal it is.
	We're talking about big wings.
	I'll tell you a story about big wings in a moment.
	You're listening to Arkbell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
	on premier radio networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 19, 2002.
	A few years ago, Ramon and me were on the way, but we left Narita Airport in Tokyo,
	and we were on our way back to the States.
	You know, we're going to land in San Francisco, I think, or somewhere or another.
	Anyway, we got over the... We're in a 747.
	They have real big wings.
	And we got over the Alaskan area, because, of course, we were doing the Northwest Passage, and we hit turbulence.
	Now, this wasn't just Any turbulence.
	This was rip the wings off kind of turbulence.
	I mean, your head would hit the ceiling if you weren't to, you know, have the seatbelt on.
	Things were flying around the cabin.
	The poor little stewardesses, the J.A.L.
	stewardesses, the cute little J.L.
	stewardesses, they were all turning totally white and other shades.
	And when you look over the stewardess and she's, you know, sitting and buckled in and turning colors, then you know you're in turbulence.
	That was serious turbulence.
	So, like, big wings, big turbulence.
	But this Skycar, Could perhaps not run into that level of turbulence, but some fairly serious turbulence without suddenly going down like a rock.
	And why is that?
	Why can it?
	The small wings, but what about the power system itself?
	In other words, you wonder as this vehicle lifts and as this vehicle moves forward how it Well, as I said earlier, you have big wings normally, or larger wings than you would like to have, simply because you have to take off from the ground.
	You don't want to have to take off at 150 miles an hour.
	You need lift.
	But if you've got a vertical takeoff aircraft, of course, you generate a lot of lift by direct thrust.
	You can accelerate to 100 miles an hour before the wings really become necessary to lift you.
	So this kind of vehicle that we have would not be able to land at an airfield at under 100 miles an hour because it wouldn't have big enough wings to support it.
	So that gives you that ability to make the wings a lot smaller and really size them for high speed and of course that's why we can go fast and also why we have low drag so we get good fuel economy while we're going fast.
	Oh, there's an interesting... Okay, but let me stick with this for a second.
	The stabilization then, obviously, as you vertically take off, is one very serious thing to try to achieve.
	And then stabilization as you slowly increase speed to the point where your wings are meaningful in aerodynamic flight.
	How do you stay stable?
	Well, that again is conventional aerodynamics.
	The wings distributed so the vehicle is what's called inherently stable aerodynamically.
	It's a flying aircraft at that point and you know we have wings distributed and we of course have our own wind tunnel which we've tested many thousands of hours of flight test to make sure that at least at this level that we're operating with right now that it appears stable.
	So, but the engine thrust has to be a gigantic part of that stability for the initial flight and, of course, the landing as well, right?
	Exactly.
	It's really important.
	And the computers, of course, control the power in such a way that the vehicle's kept stable up until you're flying aerodynamically.
	But once you're flying aerodynamically, you're just like a conventional airplane.
	You have four thrusters and you fly like an airplane.
	Almost more like a jet than an airplane, as you pointed out.
	This is configured more like a jet than a conventional aircraft, certainly.
	So, now, then you've got to have really good electronics.
	I mean, now obviously this can be held stable.
	I can understand how that could be done with computers.
	But if you didn't, if your computer failed, what then?
	Well, what you make sure you have is a highly redundant system.
	As you may know, many of the fighter aircraft today are absolutely unstable, even in forward flight.
	And they get away with that by having computers that keep them stable.
	But, of course, they have great redundancy.
	They have four computers in such a way that one computer can fail, the other one will take over if that fails, and the other one takes over.
	And they've been pretty successful.
	They've had, actually, very, very few failures.
	Due to computers, because of that system.
	So that's exactly what you would do with this aircraft?
	That you'd have that much redundancy?
	Absolutely.
	Four computers.
	We call it quadwopper redundancy.
	It's an essential part of the design.
	Then, would it be fair to ask you, what percentage of aircraft accidents, military aircraft accidents that do occur, are attributed to four computers daily?
	We have no record of that occurring.
	We went on To all the sources we knew about and could find no record of that having happened.
	That doesn't say it didn't happen because, of course, we don't have complete access to that.
	But we found that the dominant failure mode was an engine failure.
	And then there were many other other elements that caused failure, structural failures and other things.
	But we did not see any indication that computers played a role in any of these.
	What we've done is computers have played a part in failures of aircraft in many ways.
	But not in this controlled area, as we could determine it.
	We would have to make sure, of course, that that is the most critically safe part of the flight, because as you say, if that fails, everything fails.
	Doctor, would there be, under the worst of all conditions, or if somebody wanted to, the ability for the average person to remove computer control and control flight themselves when in those critical modes?
	No, quite frankly, I think that this aircraft is, you know, in forward flight, if you're going fast, it wouldn't matter, but you could not land this vehicle without the computer.
	You could not operate it under any conditions without the computer.
	Things just happen too fast.
	And it's absolutely essential.
	I've had one of these aircraft being flown by a superb pilot who flew it for a small period of time without the computers, but Ultimately, he crashed it, at least in the sense that he came back thoroughly.
	He didn't damage anything, particularly because we weren't flying very far above the ground.
	But he was extraordinarily talented, much more than the average person would be, perhaps even better than most pilots.
	Right, right.
	And he really just barely sort of handled it.
	Right, barely.
	So, the computers would be absolutely, totally essential.
	And you say that you've got them pretty fortified against electromagnetic Radiation and that sort of thing.
	Right, because of course we have been flying, for those who don't know the history of our company, we have been flying with computers in our aircraft for well over 10 years now, actually it's about close to 15 years now.
	And we've never had a computer failure while we've been in the air.
	We've had, as I said, an odd engine failure.
	And we've only at the beginning, quite frankly, we only had one computer, so one failure was all we needed to be in trouble.
	What kind of fuel would this use?
	Well, it can use one of the unique features of the Wankel type engine is that it can be quite fuel insensitive in the sense that it can use or burn many different types of fuel.
	But we do that because it's a very safe fuel.
	You know, in the case of a fire, as we know, we use alcohol to enhance race cars because of safety.
	So we use alcohol, but we can run it on diesel or we can run it on gasoline.
	So in an emergency, you could pour a fifth of Jim Beam in?
	You could.
	Actually, you'd think that sounds like a joke, but actually it runs very well in a combination of alcohol and water.
	So 100 proof would be just about perfect.
	Oh, really?
	uh... the how interesting so that makes at today's prices uh... if alcohol viable and it makes uh... the the cost of
	fuel per mile or would
	tank i guess or whatever how do you judge it and what is it roughly
	with the best you can do it of course the faster you go to add a beyond a certain point
	the left-minded to get but the best condition being flying and uh... best combination
	of altitude speed which is a twenty five thousand
	people are about two hundred fifty miles an hour uh... we can get twenty eight miles per gallon twenty eight
	miles per gallon really are one of the most people are going to fly fast and
	they're going to probably get more like twenty two like we drive down the
	freeway that eighty rather than sixty one of the seven forty seven get per mile
	or for whatever well it was of course we all break that in terms of
	passenger miles per gallon which is that you know that the the common denominator
	and and we we actually are a little bit better than a that i have a bet
	Okay, so that's fuel.
	today quite a bit better than a seven forty seven but that the pastor mouth for gallon of course they carry
	enormous amount of passengers on a very efficient if you look
	we are we are better than uh... than almost any vehicle out there
	that flies uh...
	including even some of the home-built aircraft which are quite efficient
	okay so that's uh... if you were to get into your sidecar i'd let's say
	let's take me program in front of a pretty rural community
	how i could land that thing in a lot i have next door right in the middle of my antenna
	And then going to Las Vegas, which is a typical trip for me.
	65 miles, and it's over a little mountain here, about 5,500 feet.
	And of course there's crow flies, and then as you have to drive there are two very different things.
	If I could just hop over that mountain, then I'd be in Las Vegas in just a few minutes.
	15 minutes, to be precise.
	Fifteen, huh?
	Right.
	Oh, God.
	If you want to go maximum speed, higher than that, but I'm giving you an efficient speed to operate at.
	Uh-huh.
	Fifteen minutes.
	Well, wow.
	So, I would step into this craft.
	I'd sit down, and if I wanted to go from here to Las Vegas, what would I have to do?
	Well, right now, because there isn't a guide, there isn't a real airway in the sky yet, there will be in the next very few years.
	You would pilot this to... there wouldn't be much skill involved with piloting, but you'd still have to be a pilot in the sense you have to know what other people are doing, and you have to know what the rules of the air are so you don't get in trouble in navigation and that.
	Right, I'm trying to get you to imagine how it would be when it's fully commercialized.
	In other words, I'd step into the craft and I'd do what?
	What would I enter?
	If it's fully commercialized, by that you mean there's an airway network in place?
	Oh yeah, absolutely.
	In that case, you would just get into there, you just code in a number, 265 for Las Vegas, push a button and you can go to sleep, you can play the computer games, you can read, whatever.
	You're going to be delivered.
	You're not going to be involved in the process.
	And I'm going to be there in 15 minutes.
	That's correct, and it's going to land itself.
	It's going to take off and it's going to land itself.
	I notice you have windows.
	I'm looking at the front of the 400 right now, and you've got a nice window just like you would have in a sports car, say.
	Uh, is that a wraparound window?
	Can you... It is for the moment, but when we pressurize, which we were doing, we will have to do for a higher altitude.
	We'll have to break that up into sections.
	Right now, it's one single piece, but, uh, you'll still have good visibility.
	Okay, let's say, again, I'm going to Las Vegas in this vehicle.
	Um, typically, what altitude would I try and... Remember, I've got a mountain there, 5,500 feet.
	What altitude would I attain in a trip of that duration?
	Oh, you'd just go some...
	No reason to climb up for such a short flight.
	It really makes sense to climb up Over a longer distance in a shorter time.
	Okay, so I'd be sort of skimming treetops over the mountain there.
	A couple thousand feet.
	All right.
	That sounds like fun.
	Boy, that sounds like fun.
	And I'm sure this is all you've been dreaming about.
	Now, you mentioned higher flight to 25,000 feet.
	Now, obviously, at 12,000, 13,000 feet, whatever, you've got to begin to pressurize an aircraft or everybody faints.
	That's correct.
	So you would do that?
	Yes.
	Yes, that's certainly part of the plan.
	It's so you can fly, you know, over a hundred miles an hour faster and get the same fuel economy when you're flying at 25,000 feet versus sea level.
	So you're obviously going to do that if you can do it.
	Well, I presume that you're saying it can be done.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It is.
	It is.
	The computer will drive you to the most, if what you want is maximum fuel economy, it will drive you to that.
	My guess is it's going to be something Okay.
	a bit faster than that fuel economy because you're on a sort of a
	a railway track where we were going to think speed and i'm presuming that people don't want to go a bit faster
	than most economic speed but you're going to be controlled
	and be required to go on that particular highway at the speed that
	designed into the system which may be three and a half an hour maybe two
	hundred fifty depending on the other if you imagine it as fully commercialized but do you also
	imagine present-day aviation
	as we see it continuing other words large
	uh... mona jet aircraft or whatever other propulsion system might come along
	But, you know, the 747s and the big heavies still flying on any given day.
	They're coming out of Las Vegas like so many ducks in a row and headed toward places like San Francisco that would take them directly in my flight path, in my little Mueller Skycar.
	And so how do I go to sleep?
	Safely assuming that I'm not going to connect with the 747 at 25,000 feet.
	Well, it depends.
	You just have to be confident that the system itself is secure.
	In today's world, it's difficult to imagine because, quite frankly, it's pretty chaotic up there.
	People have to look around to see if other planes are coming in their direction and off in flight.
	But if it's really, truly computerized, if we have real-time computer capabilities so we know where every single vehicle is at all times, Which is certainly going to happen.
	And you can think about the security advantages of that.
	There won't be any, you know, September 11th times if you can know at all times where everybody is and why they're there and who they are.
	Where would this be all controlled from?
	In other words, would it be a function of this smaller 400 communicating with the ground and computers on the ground that would be telling it where to go and not to go and how to go?
	Right, right.
	It would be a major mass.
	They have some very sophisticated plans to be able to know at all times, not just by GPS, but also by geostationary satellites for local control that would allow very precise, and you're talking about in theory, in near airfields, control within centimeters, but outside of airfields or some distance away from the city, you would get down to a few feet Uh, we have traffic helicopters that regularly fly over Las Vegas, and they look down on this congested, insane mess in a place called the Spaghetti Bowl.
	from a security point of view you know who's up there
	friend or foe uh... we have traffic helicopters that regularly fly over
	las vegas and they look down on this congested
	insane mess uh... in a place called the spaghetti bowl i mean
	every city has this just about every big city
	and they show people you know to have on their fingers waiting in a long lines of
	stalled Now, if you close your eyes and imagine all of those cars down there, suddenly up in the air, instead of being down there, it's almost unimaginable.
	I mean, would things really run... Well, I guess what you have to consider is that when you're down on the ground, you're trying to get around in a Call it a two-dimensional world, if you like, with a one-dimensional transportation system.
	That's doomed to failure.
	And all of a sudden, we give you a three-dimensional system, which has multi-layers.
	It can travel, on average, quite frankly, close to 10 times faster than a car, because the cars today average about 30 miles on average, considering cities and everything else, about 30 miles an hour.
	That may be optimistic.
	That's right.
	And so all of a sudden, you've got the capability of going 10 One tenth as many.
	But independent of that, if all the cars that are on the ground today were in the air at the same time, they would still be miles apart.
	Except, of course, when you get near the city, where they would have to be integrated again.
	So we have that much airspace?
	Tremendous amount.
	I mean, it's just, you know, walk outside your house at any time and look up in the air.
	Unless you're in a city, you're not likely to even see an airplane.
	That's fairly True.
	We've got to sit there and wait for one.
	One will inevitably come by.
	I mean, that is a lot of empty airspace.
	You make a very good point.
	So, even fully commercialized, all those cars down in the ground, in the air, There'd be at least mile separation with a greater safety factor by far than we have on our highways now when we, what, kill 50,000 people a year?
	Well, we're approaching that.
	Yeah.
	I mean, if you're going, you think about the closing speed between two cars going, you know, 70 miles an hour to two-lane highway, you've got 140 miles an hour to go by each other three feet apart.
	I mean, we live pretty dangerously.
	We do.
	And a lot of us die.
	Actually.
	And so you think that were it all in the air, it would be actually that much safer?
	Well, I always use the joke I say in the world that I envision.
	You know, even if a drunk gets on board this thing, the worst thing could happen.
	He could end up in the wrong city, but he's going to arrive safely.
	There's a good point.
	All right, Doctor.
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	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 19, 2002.
	We have got the incredible Dr. Paul Mueller on the air tonight.
	He's designed an air car, a personal air car to be used by people like you and The amount of interest in it is obvious.
	It looks like we have... Well, we've really hurt his website.
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	That tells you the level of interest, though, in something like this among the general public.
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	I've always said that not everything is a conspiracy, but a lot of it is.
	You know, when you start looking into things, there's only certain set of conclusions you can reach, and unfortunately, this is one of them.
	You know, it's very, very hard not to see things like that when you start looking at things in a larger picture.
	Now we take you back to the night of September 19th, 2002, on Ark Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Once again, here is Dr. Paul Mueller.
	Doctor, I'm going to take you all over the place in questions about this, if I can, a little bit.
	I've got all these questions by computer, and there are some pretty good ones.
	Link in Lakewood, Washington, says, you know, what about just taking a country drive?
	What about pleasure flying?
	You know, with cars today, we don't only, even though it seems that way sometimes, use them to get back and forth to work in traffic jams.
	We just go out and drive and have a hell of a good time.
	To get out and let your hair down a little bit and have fun and look at the scenery.
	Well, gee whiz, your vehicle, it seems to me, would offer that times ten if it would allow for that sort of thing.
	In other words, just not utilitarian flight, but fun flight.
	And so the question is, would your vehicle allow for that?
	Well, it would be a, you know, there'd be a prescribed airway system that when you're on, you have to follow the exact rules, clearly for the safety of everybody.
	Sure.
	But there certainly would be, I wouldn't call them off-road recreational parks, but they're off-air, whatever, where you could certainly fly around under some prescribed conditions.
	But keeping in mind that, you know, this is a small vehicle and two of these vehicles going at 300 miles an hour in opposite directions is pretty risky.
	So, you know, you would have to do it in a manner in which there was a lot of control, just the same, whether it was precise in terms of being exactly the same speed as everybody else.
	Certainly, you're going to have to have a lot of supervision, electronic supervision, to make it safe.
	Yeah, but I guess I'm asking if the electronic supervision would allow for that.
	For example, we have national parks all over the country, and a lot of them are really beautiful and wondrous to fly.
	Over, for example, the Grand Canyon and other areas that I could think about would be just wondrous to just perform if it were allowed under such a system to fly over.
	I mean, national parks, why not have them visited by air as well as we now have it?
	Sure.
	That's quite possible since obviously the system is going to be better than it is today and we do have aircraft flying around So yes, this would be possible, and with the added security that we're going to provide, you're going to know if there's other people in your area.
	You're going to have on-board sensors that will tell you that there's somebody to your left or to your right, in addition to a lot of input from a central control network.
	But yes, you'll have that degree of freedom outside of the controlled airway network.
	Boy, that sounds great.
	Somebody from Hawaii, Gary in Hawaii, says, Ask them how loud the craft will be.
	How loud is it now, and how loud do you imagine it to be if it were a production commercial version?
	Well, right now it's fairly loud because the nature of where we've concentrated our technology is on, you know, powering it up in the stability system and other things.
	But we're working very hard on what's called mutual noise cancellation technology, and that's when you generate what's called an anti-noise You generate the same frequencies and then you phase shift it.
	It sounds pretty technical, but really what you're doing is generating a noise in opposition to the existing noise and moving it out of phase so it cancels the present noise.
	That is really the future of this because there's nothing short of that that's going to allow you to land at your home or even at a city center.
	And that's the next area of major research activity.
	and of course you know now that we're a public company uh... we have you know everybody is ready to position to
	become part of recovery something that would happen to the past of course
	and then you you actually uh...
	issue shares now and even by shares people can go to their broker and and
	and and and become part of our company well now that's new it's very new
	very good for exciting because it gives it gives everybody a chance to participate in this to a
	small degree In the past, quite frankly, and I always resented this, the only people who could invest in us were very rich people who could afford to lose it.
	Now that we've got this public offering, people can come out here and put modest amounts of money into our company and become a participant in it.
	Oh, that's a big jump!
	When companies are very small, it's like you've got to be a millionaire to even be allowed to invest at that level because it's so risky.
	Yeah, it's not necessarily always risky, but the control people within the government have a very paternal view of these things.
	They're going to protect you at all costs.
	And sometimes some very exciting technologies never see the light of day because they never get the opportunity to raise the kind of capital they need.
	We were being fortunate over the years that we've had what we call angel investors, people who have quite a large amount of money perhaps, but they believe in what we're doing, they're patient, they've stuck with us.
	These would be the same people who saved us recently from WorldCom, right?
	This is the kind of person who you really want on board because he doesn't come in like
	a greedy venture capitalist might or he certainly is not an institution which wouldn't invest
	in our kind of technology anyhow.
	They're people who have a futuristic view of what can happen and they're willing to
	So in other words, now you're an over-the-counter traded stock, pink slip type, or whatever?
	Pink slip for the next couple weeks, and then we'll be bulletin board.
	But we do qualify for NASDAQ.
	I mean, it's just a matter that there's a certain time that you have to... Boy, that's exciting.
	That's really exciting.
	We'll be out there, and we have already a fairly active market in our stock, despite the fact that it's on the pink sheets, which makes it harder to get a hold of.
	Yeah, but not impossible, and then soon, eventually, NASDAQ.
	That's really exciting.
	Anybody that just takes our symbol, M-L-E-R, and goes to the broker can buy stock.
	M-L-E-R?
	Correct.
	That's your symbol, okay.
	Alright, well, you You know, I tried to press you to come on the air about two, three times since last time I had you on the air.
	And you always said, no, no, no.
	We want to wait.
	We want to wait.
	We've got some testing to do, and we want to have something to tell you when we come on the air.
	Right?
	That was exactly my response.
	Yeah.
	And of course, when we flew the Skycar on July of this year for the first time, the 400, that made things very different.
	And now that we're a public company, meaning that people who Believe or would like to be a participant in this can become part of our company.
	That's also a very big change.
	Take me back to July.
	I mean, what happened in July?
	Tell me exactly what happened and what you did.
	Well, we have people who are already invested in our company, have in many cases possessed options to buy additional stock.
	But one of the conditions was that after we did a demonstration flight, they would have That option.
	In other words, go ahead and buy the stock within 90 days or they would lose it.
	Well, we did that flight.
	It was a flight of one minute in a very controlled manner, out of ground effect.
	And that was the demonstration we did.
	We typically don't fly very long because we don't use a very large amount of fuel on board because of the danger during these test flights.
	A one minute flight, hovering in conditions that sometimes were very windy, was quite an accomplishment for us.
	And that started the ball rolling and allowed us to These are options that have to be exercised.
	Well, exactly what did you do?
	I mean, you say you spent one minute hovering.
	Well, we took off from the ground, of course, and rose to about 20 feet.
	And, by the way, that flight can be seen on our Internet site.
	As I just explained to you, Doctor, I don't know whether you tried to access your site here in the last little while?
	No, we knew it would be tough, actually.
	We put on a bunch of additional sites tonight to help this, because We've had as many as a couple hundred thousand hits a day, even in the past.
	So we know with this show, we'll probably see a lot more.
	Yeah, it's crippling right now, but people should be patient.
	In the next day or two, it'll lighten up and you'll be able to get in.
	So you're saying you've got video?
	There's video on our website showing these guys are flying.
	Wow.
	Since everybody doesn't have a computer, And since not everybody is going to be able to see this, lucky few will, describe in words what you see in the video.
	Well, this vehicle is about the size of an automobile.
	Eight and a half feet wide, about 19 feet long.
	So, you know, it's a larger sized car, but it still would fit in a single car garage.
	Right.
	It carries four passengers, as I said.
	It has a bubble canopy.
	It has four lifting, what we call, nacelles.
	One at each corner of the vehicle and in each nacelle there are two engines driving independent fans.
	These are the devices that generate the thrust or the lift of the air.
	This air is then deflected as it leaves the duct downwards or backwards depending on whether you're hovering or going forward.
	So it takes off like a helicopter with the air being deflected downwards and then what we call transitions.
	to aerodynamic flight, where the air is then deflected progressively further and further backwards until it becomes, as you said earlier, a bit like a jet airplane.
	Um, our military has a version of a vertical takeoff plane that I think we, we fly, uh, it's a British thing, isn't it?
	The, what's it called?
	The Hawker Harrier Jump Jet.
	Yeah, the Harrier Jump Jet.
	Now, they've had some, you know, pretty recent terrible disasters with the Harrier.
	And I wonder if you could reflect for me on what you know about that and why you think they're having trouble with the Harrier.
	Well, the Harrier, like any vertical takeoff aircraft, is obviously very dependent on something going wrong with the power plant, and that has a single engine.
	So if that engine skips a beat, that aircraft is on the ground in a heap.
	It's a rock.
	It's absolutely a rock.
	In fact, that's a very, if you think about that aircraft, it weighs about 20,000 pounds, but it has 40,000 horsepower.
	So it barely has enough.
	As a result of the weight of that engine, it's just barely enough to take off vertically.
	It normally actually does a jump.
	It goes down a short runway, hits a ski ramp, so to speak, and jumps into the air.
	And then it comes back after it's used up its fuel, it can land vertically.
	It's a very clever aircraft.
	We've got to give a lot of credit to what they achieved with that.
	But it still uses one engine, and that's not the kind of vehicle I want to get in when I'm hovering over some very hard surface below me.
	Sure.
	So you don't see any Any relationship to what your Skycar ultimately will be with respect to the problems of the Harrier?
	It's all a matter of how many engines.
	You've got one engine, and you know... We have the ability to have an engine failure.
	You can assume, in all fairness, that if you own a vehicle like this over a significant period of time, you're likely to have a bird go into the fan.
	There's a number of things that could happen that would be unforeseen even though our engines are probably the most reliable engine you could possibly have.
	It's still going to happen and the beauty of the system is that you can then continue to hover Or, you could deploy the parachutes in some very catastrophic situation, because we have parachutes that bring the vehicle down.
	What a good idea.
	In case that should happen.
	Parachutes.
	What a really good idea.
	And they would support the aircraft in the worst case scenario?
	Right, they would bring it down.
	Now, you'd damage the aircraft somewhat, because it's hard to make an aircraft land so soft with the parachutes, but you would survive without being hurt.
	That's important.
	Everything else, insurance, right?
	Right.
	It would take you to the ground with a bumpy ride, perhaps, but you'd live.
	You would live and you wouldn't be injured.
	We know that.
	You would just have a kind of a crunched bottom side of the vehicle.
	All right, so that's great.
	Where do you go from here?
	I mean, now all of a sudden, all right, you're becoming a public company.
	You're going to have the financing you need.
	What's the next step?
	Well, we know that we're going to be building military vehicles.
	We've had a lot of interest in the military.
	One of the problems that we've always had in our businesses is generating the kind of capital that's required to build a number of vehicles so that if something goes wrong, it wouldn't be catastrophic for the company.
	Oh, but Doctor, you're not going to let the military take this away from us, are you?
	Oh, no.
	No.
	One of the beauties of what we have done is that we have never accepted or solicited a military contract for the Skycar.
	So we have developed this entirely with our own capital, or I would say the capital of some very considered people in the United States, and so we have complete freedom to take this purely into the civilian area, but there's always some advantage in building it for the military initially because it can happen quicker, they can test it, they've got good pilots, and of course it's good for the country.
	I suppose.
	It's just that great theory.
	I know.
	I know.
	I know exactly.
	I mean, I've always been very, very careful about this and gone out of my way not to.
	I've accepted money for unmanned versions of this for military and civilian applications, but I've never got a dollar for the Skycar or ever tried to get a dollar for the Skycar from the military.
	But you can always sell hardware.
	That's very different.
	Build vehicles, sell them to the civilian market, and also make them available Or people who want to buy them for the military.
	All right, well, let's discuss, for that reason, what the military application would be.
	I mean, what do you see our military using something like this for?
	Well, you know, the military, interestingly enough, and I'll speak specifically about the Army right now, has this vision that in the future what they would like to do is break gravity.
	They have a term called breaking gravity.
	They want to see an airborne army.
	And I don't mean by that Not necessarily so much of the fighting component, but say the medivac component, the logistics component, where they can bring a payload, about four by four by five foot payload, to the front lines when it's needed in an emergency.
	And the SkyCar is that vehicle.
	In fact, they've even given it a name within the military called a LAMV, L-A-M-V, standing for Light Airborne Multipurpose Vehicle.
	It's military.
	Yeah, that really sounds, that's got the military ring to it.
	Who gave it that moniker, do you know?
	A very decent supporter, Colonel Harmon, within the sort of the battlefield of the future.
	He's been a ardent supporter of ours, but of course, you know, there's a tremendous amount of resistance within the helicopter community, within the military forces.
	Things with big rotors on top, and I'm not about to give that up easily, I can guarantee you.
	So, there are large forces potentially aligned against you in the military.
	The military is a very political thing, isn't it?
	It seems that way.
	It's like a two-handled thing, because I've had this very great support from someone like Colonel Harmon, who's written very supportive articles in military journals about this.
	And then I've had individuals, which I won't name, Who have clearly done everything they can, surprisingly not dissimilar to what they did to undermine the Wright Brothers.
	because the military was a very antagonistic entity with regard to the
	the efforts of the wright brothers it is something where something new comes along i've got a
	bit if it's not government generated uh... they're very antagonistic
	towards it Well, if you make Blackhawks, and you've got billions of dollars invested in Blackhawks, or whatever the latest is, you might be concerned about what Dr. Mueller's doing, right?
	Some might.
	Again, I say there's a good contingent in there.
	They've been highly supportive of us, and I have to give them credit.
	But whether or not the military decides to become involved with this, you can develop and deploy the Skycar, right?
	Absolutely, and we will.
	I mean, that's an adjunct to what we're doing.
	It's an exciting way to underwrite some of the cost, but I believe that our support, because of what we've seen already from outside interests, will be high enough that we will be able to fund this project.
	Either way.
	Either way.
	All right.
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	obviously a lot of you dream of this kind of flight as do i, dr mauler and others
	Well, here it is, folks.
	We've got it for you.
	Take a look.
	You can get to our picture, at least, on the website.
	His website's kind of jammed up right now, but...
	You'll get to it in the next day or so.
	It's all about a personal flying vehicle.
	I wonder if it's going to be available, in Dr. Mahler's opinion, in our lifetime.
	That seems like a really good question.
	We'll ask it in a moment.
	We take you back to the night of September 19, 2002, on Ark Bells Somewhere in Time.
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	you Once again, here is Dr. Paul Muller.
	And, Doctor, it's a pretty good question.
	If everything went, oh, reasonably smoothly with investment and production and politics and regulation and all the rest of it, if everything went fairly smoothly, when could we possibly expect to see people starting to get into these and flying?
	Well, it's a limited number because the cost will be high when the volume is initially not large.
	Uh, as little as three years.
	That's about what, that's sort of the maximum length that we would expect F.A.
	certification to take.
	Building the aircraft is not a problem.
	Building fairly large numbers of the aircraft is not a problem, but you have to pass F.A.' 's certification.
	But three years?
	But that would, it would still be a fairly expensive machine because of course the volume would not be there at that time.
	Do you imagine that you would have to take A test and qualify, as you do to drive a car right now, to use an air car?
	Well, there is, interesting enough, there's already a pilot's license for it.
	The FAA has already a pilot's license in place called a Powered Lift Pilot's License.
	So they're anticipating it happening.
	I think the best number I can give you is the one put forward by the head of NASA, Dr. Daniel Golden, who said that he felt that these vehicles would be in the hands of 25% of the American population Within 10 years, and 90% of the population within 25.
	Holy mackerel.
	That's our lifetimes, all right, I hope.
	Tom in Orlando, Florida asks a really good question.
	What is the range presently of this vehicle without having to refuel?
	900 miles.
	900 miles?
	900 miles, which is interesting enough.
	You asked an earlier question, you know, would the big airplanes still be around?
	They would, but they would be flying the long distances because 80% of the flights today are less than 900 miles.
	So we could get rid of 80% of those flights and then, all of a sudden, you could get to an airport and actually get on an airplane.
	Well, hey, the way things are going for commercial airlines right now, you'll be lucky if there are any more of them flying in the skies by the time you get the aircar off.
	Do you plan to make, or has anybody even envisioned, Doctor, this is from Alberta, Canada, something bigger, you know, like a bus version of the Skycar?
	I mean, if you can have a Skycar, can you have a Skybus?
	No, you can't.
	It's interesting.
	Really?
	Yeah, the laws of physics are interesting.
	You can't avoid them.
	This is not magic.
	This is real physical laws.
	It turns out that you can get as big as six passengers, which is really stretching it.
	The only reason I'm going that direction is because there's a real interest in carrying a 1,500 pound payload.
	So you can go to six passengers.
	Then you have to go to like the B-22 Osprey, the one with the large rotating propellers that have some bad publicity from crashes.
	That's the next thing.
	Appropriate design, and it's not sensibly thought out.
	It just turns out to be a terribly expensive machine that's had its share of problems.
	All right, what about this?
	The environmentalists out there, who are already going wacko over everything we're doing, driving around and all the rest of it, they're going to go totally berserk.
	Even if it's not justified, the environmentalists are going to go berserk, and they're going to say, we're going to destroy the entire world with this!
	Right?
	There'll be a certain amount that will.
	I think we can make some, we can make some of them happy.
	And the way we can do that is because our emissions level with our engine operating in the conditions is so low that at least that part of our operation can be defended.
	There's certainly going to be people that don't want something flying over their heads, but I'm afraid that they're going to have to live with it.
	So you think you'd be able to make a pretty good case for the environmentalists versus The present automobile setup that we've got right now.
	Right, because the automobile today, and not a lot of people know that, but 90% of the emissions, actually over 90% of the emissions, occur in slow traffic or stopped in traffic.
	The automobile is actually pretty efficient.
	The modern car going down the highway at, you know, 60, 70 miles an hour.
	But it's terribly inefficient as a Skycar would be if it was idling.
	But there's no such a thing as idling with a Skycar.
	You're either flying very fast or you're stopped and the engine's no longer running when you land on the ground.
	So we have a situation where the engine is a very low pollutant device in the first place, plus it's operated much more efficiently.
	All right.
	Miles in Lubbock, Texas.
	Pretty good question.
	Miles says, Hey, it's daylight.
	I want to check my cattle.
	Can I fly around the ranch at 15 or 20 miles an hour, forward speed, or cruise over the hill to the next ranch at 80 to 100 miles away for a coffee or whatever?
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, no problem at all.
	Really?
	You fly over your own ranch.
	Once this thing is certified, you own it.
	You're free to do anything you want within your airspace, over your ranch actually.
	The only, you have some limitation if you go above 500 feet, but 500 feet down, that's your airspace.
	you still have to have every certification to fly in it you can do what you want
	would there be any application uh... there's a lot of development underway
	right now with fuel cells you know ballard up in canada and what people are talking about fuel cells is a few of the
	future and all the rest of the hybrid hydrogen actually
	uh... would that be one possible fuel that's being considered for the the hydrogen has been
	used in the rotary engine by most that it is being used extensively by p m w
	here right now fighting with
	i think i did it a good choice The problem really is storage.
	It is very efficient per pound, but of course it is very light per pound, too.
	So it's a trade-off issue.
	I think it's something that's probably at least ten years away, as I think the fuel cell is for automobiles.
	About ten years.
	Right.
	Both those would probably come about because I think fuel cells will drive the cost of hydrogen down.
	It'll generate technologies for generating hydrogen.
	And hydrogen has some advantages, but I think they're at least ten years away.
	Okay.
	How about the political aspects of this?
	Now you've got Ford and GM and, you know, really big, big, big money.
	Well, I have to be honest.
	There's no way that I'm going to control this technology as far as manufacturing.
	using something that's going to go zipping through the air and make that look like a
	horse and buggy.
	Well, I have to be honest.
	There's no way that I'm going to control this technology as far as manufacturing.
	I mean, I'm going to have to license it.
	If this is going to be a major item in transportation, I'm going to have to join forces with a BMW
	or a Ford or some good manufacturing company, and I don't mind that.
	I mean, it makes sense to do so.
	I've already made a presentation to Ford, and I've had both Honda and BMW visit me.
	Oh, really?
	Most people in your position, or a lot, anyway, over history, have tried to fight them, so instead of fighting them, you're going to join them.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, I'm a technologist.
	I really enjoy creating.
	And I have, of course, manufactured products in the past.
	People who are familiar with the super trap muffler, which is fairly well known, was a product that I developed and we manufactured in large numbers.
	But when it comes to something this big, and if it's really going to have universal use, it's going to be produced by a number of companies.
	And that would be very satisfying.
	When we talk about the military, there's another aspect of the U.S.
	government that it seems to me there would be application for.
	For example, a gym in Lake Havasu City, Arizona says, what do you think of the Skycar?
	How about being used for applications like the Border Patrol?
	Oh yes, paramilitary applications are really big, and they're ideal, because one of the problems with sort of drug interdiction today is that you've got airplanes that go fast, but they can't land vertically.
	And you've got helicopters that can land vertically, but can't go fast.
	to try to catch these guys could be extremely difficult to build
	they'll dump their plane into into the jungle you know what about the plane
	but but survive and run off of drugs vehicle like this
	would make it very difficult to comply almost as fast as jet airplane
	land vertically i think it would be uh... extremely difficult for them
	for the for the drug people to to get away with with when the paramilitary groups have
	this on the other hand
	the drug guys would have a two well i mean we have all the advantages
	There are ways to control that, of course, in the world that I've described, where we have a completely electronically integrated control network.
	We're going to know everybody who's up there.
	I mean, that's one element where security of, you know, personal security, people worrying about knowing who they are and where they are, is going to go away.
	We're going to know where everybody is and who they are up there at all times.
	So it's going to be part of a changing world, not just because of the Skycar, but because that's the way we're going.
	Doctor, isn't this likely to totally destroy these speed trap towns?
	I suppose so.
	Somebody asks about diesel as a fuel.
	Diesel, of course, is a very interesting fuel in many, many ways.
	It's used by truckers to get so much across the nation.
	The average person doesn't realize the advantages of a diesel engine versus a piston engine.
	So what about diesel?
	We've been running, for the last year, we've been running on diesel fuel in our engines.
	Oh, really?
	And one of the advantages of diesel, of course, is that it is, in some countries, a very inexpensive fuel compared to all the alternatives, like India, for example.
	Plus, it's a fuel that has a What I like about it is the safety.
	It's much less likely to catch fire, even though it burns just as rapidly when it does.
	So we've actually been running this.
	In fact, we've been running it on a combination of diesel and water, and gasoline and water, and alcohol and water.
	Believe it or not, when you mix these two together, you get a very fire-resistant fuel that still burns very well in our engine.
	There's no magic about it.
	We're not getting power out of the water.
	The water just serves as a factory in the emissions and in also the safety that go with the combination.
	This is so incredible.
	I mean, and you're talking about three years.
	We might see this thing in some sort of limited public application.
	Three years.
	How much of an uphill battle do you have to fight with, you know, I don't know, the FAA, whoever certifies This sort of thing before it can fly.
	How much of an uphill battle?
	Well, they have been pretty cooperative so far.
	We've played a part in writing the rules, certification rules, because, of course, really there is nobody else out there that's building this kind of vehicle.
	So when it comes to a civilian version of what's called the power lift aircraft, they've had to look to us to give them some feel for what is going to be necessary.
	But it's a bureaucratic organization, so you're going to face that typical problem.
	Hopefully, if you have enough funds, you can certainly speed that process up, because you don't exactly bribe them, but you certainly help the process if you can provide a lot of capital on the road.
	That's such a, I mean, it is such a radical departure that it virtually is kind of like going from the horse and buggy I mean, it's that big of a jump, isn't it?
	It will be, because it'll do so much to change the demographics of how we live.
	If you can make a 60-mile commute in 15 minutes, you're going to see people moving out of the cities who now live there just because of the inconvenience of getting in and out of that city.
	So, in other words, it's going to redistribute the population?
	It'll change real estate values pretty significantly.
	I would want to be one of the first people selling my apartment in San Francisco, if I could, before everybody else moved out.
	Because that's just what they do.
	Absolutely.
	And there is so much... When you fly across America, you are shocked at how much unused land there is.
	I mean, you think we're all packed together, and we are, of course, in the cities, but when you look at what could be done, most of America is empty.
	Empty because of limited access.
	Difficult to get to and that could change enormously.
	Skycar would change that right away, wouldn't it?
	It would change it very rapidly.
	I think it's an important factor in the future of the way we live.
	That kind of transportation, again, in all fairness, I'm not saying the Skycar is going to be the only version.
	I think the technology we have is going to be a part of everything that is developed in the future.
	This is going to be an evolving technology.
	We've shown that the vehicle can be practical.
	What do you have for competition now, Doctor?
	What else is out there?
	I mean, is there anybody breathing down your corporate neck?
	No.
	Interesting enough, there's two sides of that coin, of course.
	One is that big companies or major investment groups are not willing to participate because they don't see the future of this technology.
	On the other hand, I'm left alone and I'm able to generate large numbers of patents The whole thing is exciting.
	with me, so I have some major benefits from being left alone for the moment.
	So I feel comfortable with where we are, particularly with where we now have become with being a
	public company and being able to raise capital in a much more open manner.
	This is a big change for us and it's very exciting for the future of the Skycar.
	The whole thing is exciting, so exciting.
	Have you maintained, you know, I mean you're right there every day, so I don't know if
	Did you maintain the same level of excitement about this that you once did?
	I suppose it's become a down-hard business for you now, but it's still that The excitement that people feel right now hearing about this, does that stay with you?
	It's terribly exciting.
	I mean, most days I can't wait to get to work because we always have some going on, whether it's finding ways to eliminate noise, whether it's ways to increase the efficiency of the engine or reduce the emissions, or demonstrate some a component of the improving technology, every day is
	exciting.
	And it's certainly the most exciting time of the development,
	now that we have the opportunity to build a number of these, rather than just a few demonstrators.
	Here's a video of the Texas State Fair, it says, in Dallas, Texas, September 27th through October 20th.
	What does that mean?
	Does that mean you're taking the SkyCard?
	We're taking a non-flying mock-up, but it's pretty complete in every way.
	It shows the vehicle, and you get a real sense for it in terms of appearance, and you can sit in it.
	Theoretically, it has all the electronics on board.
	Really?
	And it's been all over the world.
	We've had it in Malaysia.
	We've had it in Abu Dhabi.
	It's been in Amsterdam.
	It's been at the Paris Air Show.
	It's been at the Paris Show in Farnborough in England.
	It's been a good source of information for people who've come to various shows around the world to see it.
	And then, early next year, I hear you're going to have a demonstration Of the first production of the M400 model, designed possibly for military sales, is that right?
	Well, the model we'll demonstrate will be a civilian model, certainly at that stage.
	Well, I mean, you're going to do a full-scale demo?
	Right.
	Right now, I'm reluctant to fly the vehicle, because I don't really push it, because I only have one of them, and if something were to go wrong, it would be It would be very difficult for our test program.
	How confident, as a matter of curiosity, are you that if you decided to risk it and fly the vehicle, it would fly well?
	Well, I'd like to get away from the ground as far as possible at the beginning and rely upon aerodynamic flight and the parachutes if something went wrong because, of course, the most dangerous region is that region near the ground.
	We do have the parachutes, but they do take some time to open.
	Oh, sure.
	Unless you're going forward, of course.
	Actually, you don't have to be going that fast.
	Even 25 miles an hour and the parachutes will open very quickly.
	But hovering is risky when you're just starting out because there's just, even though this is a simple machine in many ways, there's still a lot of computer software and board.
	And we all know about computer software.
	Oh, yes, we do.
	Oh, yes, we do.
	But still, the question hangs.
	If you had to do it, are you fairly confident that the SkyCar would fly?
	Oh, we know it'll fly.
	And we feel very comfortable that it'll fly safely, even with a fader, which is the critical part of this device.
	We've set it up so that there's no single component in this vehicle that could fail.
	It would bring down the entire aircraft.
	Whereas if you think of a helicopter today, and you've seen the number of parts that are going around.
	You could lose one nut or one bolt in a number of places in that vehicle and you've lost the vehicle.
	Yeah, I know we've had recent tragedies here.
	Doctor, have you considered the implications of increasing the roles of the mile-high clubs so far as to make the whole thing meaningless?
	Hold on, we're at the top of the hour.
	When we come back, we'll take phone calls.
	For Dr. Paul Muller, I'm Art Bell.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 2002.
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	I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles.
	Oh yeah.
	If you think that I don't know about the little tricks you play.
	I'll never see you and deliberately put you in my way.
	Ten children, that I have all ten of.
	In my life and you know that I should have.
	you Could your love just stop right if I could and I wouldn't?
	But what can I do? I'm lonely too And it makes me sad, it makes me go through the night
	I'm in way over my head Now she thinks that I love her
	She wants that's what I think Though I never think I'll know her
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	To live my life Every time I see that girl
	You know I wanna lay down and die You thought I really need that girl
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	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 19, 2002.
	I mean, after all, how's backseat of a 57 Chevrolet differ all that much from backseat of a 2007 Mahler Skycar?
	The only difference is the altitude, right?
	Dr. Paul Mahler is here, developer of the Skycar that you can see on the web.
	It's incredible.
	I mean, it's just absolutely incredible.
	And it's coming within, say, three or four years.
	It's coming, folks.
	It's a reality.
	So we're not talking about science fiction here.
	We're talking about fact that's about to be in production.
	Weird stories on the radio?
	Must be Coast to Coast AM with George Norring.
	You know, when I started doing this radio program, Jesse, half of the subjects I was really into, the paranormal, the unusual, ghosts and things like that.
	Yeah.
	The conspiracy stories, you know, I was a little weary about these, other than the Kennedy assassination.
	And all of a sudden, I woke up.
	I simply woke up.
	Is that what happened with you too?
	Yeah.
	That's when I really started to say, what is going on here?
	And I started to truly then investigate 9-11, and today, I don't believe the government's story of 9-11.
	Here's the three options.
	Either we knew about it and allowed it to happen, or we knew about it and participated in it, or these were the dumbest buffoons that could have ever been in charge of our country, who could have all this pre-information.
	And I started to think they knew what was going to happen.
	They either are part of it or they allowed it to.
	There's no doubt in my mind.
	You're listening to ArcBell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
	so i don't want to present a general coast to coast a m from september
	nineteenth two thousand two all right what i'm not going on after a lot of what i can
	think of the house pretty much and so i'm gonna turn doctor mauler over to you
	for the balance of program let me ask questions whatever you'd like to ask
	about this incredible thing
	that's coming it's really uh... it
	It's really coming.
	In fact, it exists now and will be available for first military use in three years, maybe, and then, you know, within not too many more, to all of us.
	Try to imagine that in your head.
	For all of us.
	A frequent problem, Doctor, with commercial aircraft is when they ingest some kind of bird or something into an engine, and that's big trouble.
	I mean, geese or whatever, and something flies into the engine, a bird, and down you go.
	What about the Mueller Skycar?
	Again, I guess you would tell us, you lose an engine and keep going.
	Right, we will have, we don't presently have it, but we will have a very large cell, what they call stainless steel honeycomb across the leading of the duct, so that if something like that were to come along, it would sort of sift it into smaller pieces before it gets to the first fan.
	But even if it took out the first fan, we have a backup of the second fan, and we've Accidentally, I could like to say we did it on purpose, but we've sucked in some pretty nasty objects into the fan.
	Oh, really?
	I think the worst thing we sucked in was a huge roll of duct tape.
	And if you know anything about duct tape, you can imagine that's a pretty nasty thing to go into a fan.
	Definitely.
	It did cut it up into nice little pieces and sent it on through.
	We recently had a screwdriver go into the fan.
	Oh, my God!
	And it took a nick out of the fan, but didn't do any unbalanced problems or anything.
	You know, indirectly and in accidents over these many years that we've been testing our ducted fans, we've had a certain number of those kinds of things occur without any dire consequences.
	That's remarkable.
	Would we see like FedEx Skycars?
	I think that would be an excellent example of the ability to deal with, you know, you can imagine what that would do for local delivery.
	Oh boy.
	So we think this is a very Good commercial application for it early on, and the more vehicles we can build for whatever application, the cheaper they come, and the more likely we can all afford to own them.
	Boy, it sure would make that pizza guy's job easier.
	The one who's got to get there in 30 minutes or less or something.
	That's true.
	It would change a few things.
	Well, for example, I wonder what kind of operating system.
	I mean, we've got Microsoft, right?
	And then we've got something called the Blue Screen of Death.
	Now, it would take on a new meaning in the air.
	Well, I'm not familiar with that term, but I'm familiar enough with Microsoft that I'd choose to avoid it if I possibly could, because we've had a lot of, in our own applications, whenever we've used Microsoft, which we do quite often just because it has such a great database.
	Oh, you must have seen that when something goes wrong, you get a blue screen.
	Well, you've got to reboot completely.
	Rebooting is a very common thing with Microsoft.
	That's what I mean.
	The terminology, I'm not a very good... It's slang.
	Microsoft would never say that.
	Of course, blue screen of death, they don't call it that.
	They call it the blue screen of instruction.
	Right.
	But it's essentially the blue screen of death.
	In a Skycar, it would be... Yeah, we use, actually, we use machine language and C language and various languages.
	We write our own programs, and of course, when you do a redundant system so you have four computers
	you have a completely separate group of people writing each one of those programs
	so so again there was a question uh... you have your own operating system
	and then we make sure that each each computer has a different uh...
	uh... set of programmers so if there's a mistake made that you can't catch a you won't see it till later in life
	hopefully uh... that it would be backed up into another computer
	which is written by a different person you know i was not aware of this but i'm
	told by one of my computer folks here that you are a big fan of edgar casey's
	Is that true?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	All right, then can we ask you, you know, Andrew Casey, did he ever mention any details that you're aware of about the Atlantean Sky vehicles?
	There was something about that, wasn't there?
	Oh, yes.
	Yes, there was.
	There was a definite reference to vehicles of some sort that were powered by some ground microwave.
	You know, again, you're trying to interpret things that Don't translate very well, because they're expressed in terminology that's a little difficult in many ways, but there were certainly many references to the fact that there were airborne vehicles, if in fact Atlantis was a reality, and certainly Casey seems to believe through what he uses as the information source that it did exist.
	So this would be like part of Atlantis Rising, wouldn't it?
	It could be.
	It's an interesting thought.
	Alright, let's go to the phone and see what's out there.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air with Dr. Paul Mueller.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	I've enjoyed every minute of the show tonight.
	Thank you.
	My question is, does the doctor think that this is going to be truly successful without total human control?
	Because I'm having a hard time believing that.
	Without human control?
	You're wondering if it could be successful?
	Well, actually, let's try that question this way.
	Right now, I don't drive it all that frequently, but I've got a Firebird Trans Am out there.
	I love that thing.
	And you know, every now and then, not that I would ever exceed the speed limit, but I do go out in the country here where I live.
	We have desert here.
	And I go fast sometimes.
	You know, just for fun.
	And I operate the vehicle.
	Now, his question is a pretty good one when you think about it.
	In other words, if you take the actual Handling and operation of the vehicle and the thrill of the drive, the thrill of the control.
	Huh?
	The control.
	If you take that away, will it be accepted by the general public?
	That's a pretty good question.
	Well, I think that like any new system, it's going to have to prove itself.
	It's going to have to be out there and establish a level of safety.
	That's one of the reasons, quite frankly, that we think a good way to introduce this is to the military.
	Not because we love the military particularly, but because It will have a chance to be sort of what they call electronics burned in.
	There'll be a chance for you to find out if there's things that are wrong with it.
	But in that mode, if your life is caught up in traffic, you're going to have a Skycar for the practicality of it.
	You may also want it as a sports vehicle and use it the way you describe, which is perfectly acceptable.
	But in terms of mass transportation, if that's going to be what this vehicle serves its purpose as, it's going to be something that everybody's going to They're going to want it as badly as people wanted their television set when they... I'll bet.
	And it may be worse.
	Of course now, again, though, in a car, you know, if you're even halfway cool, you have a standard transmission, not an automatic stupid dummy transmission, and you enjoy switching gears and feeling the power when you tromp it to the floor and all of that stuff.
	Now, that's pretty much gone with a Skycar.
	Well, no, you know, you could fly this.
	Just like you fly an airplane, you can do loops and rolls and any of those things.
	Just don't do them within the controlled airspace, so to speak.
	This vehicle, when I fly it, I have a stick on my left hand which controls the rate of climb and the altitude I'm after.
	And my right hand controls a stick that says, you push it forward, you go forward, you pull it backwards, you put the brakes on, and you stop on a dime, and you twist it sideways, or roll it sideways, you go sideways, you twist it and you turn.
	So it's two sticks, one in each hand, and that's your total control technology now.
	That, of course, is taken out of your hands when it's moved into a control network.
	But it's there and available to you early on, and if you want to have that and fly outside of a given airspace where these systems are unlocked when you're in the airspace, they won't do anything for you.
	Outside the airspace, they'll be unlocked and you can do what you want.
	And so, the thrill of driving can still be the thrill of driving times ends when you're flying, right?
	Oh, right.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dr. Paul Moller.
	Hi.
	Hey, Art and Mr. Moller.
	How are y'all this evening?
	Fine, sir.
	Very good.
	I'm in Indiana.
	This is Chuck.
	I'm listening to you on XM.
	Art, one thing for you.
	George and Barbara did a great job.
	It's great to have the master back.
	Thank you.
	What's up, sir?
	Would you have a question?
	Yes.
	All right, this is a very, very good question.
	We should come back to this.
	He's asking about licensing.
	or is it going to be something that's much simpler, something more attainable for the average person?
	All right, this is a very, very good question. We should come back to this.
	He's asking about licensing. You know, what you'll have to go through to operate this vehicle.
	And you said there's already a license that exists?
	There's already a Powered Liftless Pilot License.
	And there is no skill required to fly this vehicle.
	What is required is your knowledge of what they call ground school.
	What do you have to do?
	What are the rules of the air?
	What do you have to watch out for?
	Because the vehicle itself, it's like giving you onboard lessons at all times.
	It does what you want it to do, but it does it in a controlled manner, inherent in the design.
	So it'll be very easy to fly.
	As I said earlier, I've been a test pilot for the last 30 years.
	I've never had a pilot's license.
	It's very easy to fly.
	I've never felt that I was in danger flying this vehicle.
	But to directly answer the question, the license that would be involved, you envision, would be something that would be in the grasp of the average?
	It would be simpler than a driver's license.
	Oh, really?
	Yes, definitely.
	Damn, they give those to almost anybody.
	That's true.
	I don't think that's necessarily what they should be doing, but that's true.
	That's a different show.
	But yeah, you're right.
	So that's all right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on there with Dr. Mueller.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Travis from Richmond, Kentucky.
	Thank you, Art, for having me on.
	And Dr. Muller, I'm very excited to get a chance to ask you this question.
	Probably 15, 20 years ago, someone, a friend, I think maybe a CB club, held out this as a dream.
	I think he knew of some development about this Skycar.
	I'm totally blind.
	And he said, you know, if you had the money, just think you could get one of these things and go by yourself anywhere you want.
	You know, basically.
	Is that what this is?
	This is exactly what is possible with this.
	Absolutely.
	You wouldn't be using it as a recreational vehicle because you would be using it as a really good way of getting from point A to point B. Which he has a tough time doing now without help.
	Right.
	So you're telling me somebody, a sightless person, could hop in, push the right buttons with audio, no doubt, assistance, and simply go from point A to point B, Chicago to L.A., whatever?
	Absolutely.
	This is a fact.
	And if, I mean, a five-year-old theoretically could fly this thing, because the only damage he could do is get himself to the wrong point.
	But if you're coding in a number, computers are taking you where you want to go.
	Trust me, five-year-olds will be in the air.
	Probably.
	At least they'll be safe, right?
	They'll be safe.
	They just might be away from home for a while.
	Now, Joshua in Fort Lauderdale asks, What about fueling?
	In other words, could you or would you or would the vehicle be programmed to know where fuel is and, when in need, go and seek it out and stop if you were on a long trip?
	Yeah, that would all be programmed ahead of time.
	Any instances of a 900-mile trip, if you were coding in a number that was more than the 900-mile range, it would automatically land at some point.
	and be refueled along the line.
	That would not be difficult to add to the system.
	The system is pretty intelligent because it is a digital system with a lot of programming power, so you could pretty much ask it to do almost anything and it would be capable of doing it.
	All right.
	We've come a little ways with regard to service of automobiles.
	I mean, it used to be that you'd have a tune-up Pretty quick.
	I mean, a few thousand miles, you have to have a tune-up.
	Now I think you can go, like, a lot of cars, a hundred thousand miles before you even get a tune-up.
	What would the service... What kind of service would be mandatory with these engines, as you now know about it, as you think it will be commercially?
	What would service be like?
	Well, we would do what's called monitored maintenance, in the sense that you have on board a lot of Vibration sensors, oil contamination sensors, fuel contamination sensors, so you have a lot of onboard monitoring even as we have it now.
	The maintenance will be, we don't know of course the total length of time because we haven't had enough experience, but we know it's something in excess of a couple thousand hours.
	It appears from our tests that the engine has the capability of running well over 10,000 hours.
	Which of course at, you know, 300 miles an hour is 3 million miles.
	So you would have the equivalent of check engines soon.
	You know, that light, right?
	Check engines or some particular component that needs to be checked.
	But you could talk about as much as a million miles between overhauls while you still would have, as long as you have this preventive thing in place.
	So that it would be so good that even the women who just think the check engine soon light is a cute little thing that comes on, They'd probably live longer.
	Well, if the jet flight came on, since they're not controlling the aircraft, when it stops flex, next time it won't take off until that is dealt with, obviously.
	Oh, so it would just sort of lock itself down.
	Right, right.
	Oh, that's excellent.
	All right, let's fit one in if we can.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Paul Muller.
	Hello.
	Hi, this is Steve from Phoenix.
	Hello, Steve.
	Hi, I've been trying to call you since 1994, and it's my first time.
	Don't say that, it discourages people.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, well my question is anyway, last summer I heard a report that the Army was making a vertical takeoff system for the Army Rangers, or Special Forces, but it looked like it had two fans to the left and to the right side of the shoulder.
	Mr. Mosier, Mike Mosier's what they call, he called it at one point, exoskeleton.
	He also called it a solar truck.
	I'm sure that's what you're talking about.
	Yeah, it looks like, maybe like the size of a... It's an interesting thought.
	What is it?
	Well, it's a small, it's really a small helicopter in a sense, but instead of having a single rotor on top, he has two ducted fans, one on either side, driven by a single engine down below.
	I guess my only concern with that design would be if you lost that engine and it does have a number of moving parts, you'd be in the same situation you are with a small helicopter.
	I don't believe, despite the fact that he's shown it making a noise, I don't believe it's flown yet.
	And I think it has some... I don't think until they develop an automatic control system that they will be able to fly it successfully.
	Expensive and time-consuming thing to do.
	Do you think that getting the financing that's likely to come with your change in status and going public will that allow the production of more test model Skycars?
	Yeah, that's right.
	We already have the funding in place to build three more in the coming year.
	Oh!
	So that we will be able to then get much more aggressive in our test flights and, you know, do some, maybe do some loops and rolls and things like that instead of just going out there and hovering quietly.
	Yeah, when you've only got one, you don't risk much.
	So, in other words, you've got enough money already to produce three more.
	we got enough money coming in to these options that I told you about
	exercised by our existing stockholders that we will be able to do that.
	I guess a lot of what you said a lot of what you're going to have to end up doing is licensing
	and I'm sure that's correct.
	Do you think the name, the Mueller-Skycar, will remain as the name Ford has through licensing and agreements and all the rest of that baloney you've got to go through?
	Will it still be the Mueller-Skycar?
	Well, it may not.
	You know, we have another...
	At heart, I'm a technocrat.
	You know, I love technical words, and the name Skycar was given by the press, and maybe it sticks.
	Maybe you don't get away from it any more than you got away from Kleenex.
	All right, Doctor.
	Hold on.
	We'll be right back.
	We're taking calls for Dr. Paul Mauler.
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	It'll probably stick.
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	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 2002.
	Good morning, everybody.
	Dr. Paul Muller is my guest.
	He's a guy who's invented, now flown, a sky car.
	It's not a dream anymore.
	It's been in the air.
	And within just a few years, you might find yourself seated in one.
	Stay right where you are.
	There are more questions for Dr. Mueller directly ahead.
	Now we take you back to the night of September 19, 2002 on Ark Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Ark Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Once again, here's Dr. Paul Mueller, and I want to remind everybody that he's approaching being a, actually a publicly traded company.
	You can get it now, I guess, Pink Slip.
	Pink Sheets, they're called.
	M-L-E-R is the symbol.
	M-L-E-R.
	So, you know, investments are, I guess, always about the future and what you believe the future holds.
	And I wonder what it is that most of you out there believe the future holds.
	If you think it's this, then that might be a good way to go.
	Doctor, welcome back.
	Okay, here we go.
	Just a million people want to talk to you.
	Oh, one quick question.
	Somebody asked by computer about the amount of oxygen.
	In other words, on a long trip, obviously at 25,000 feet, you're going to need oxygen.
	So what would be practical weight-wise do you believe to carry on board?
	How much oxygen?
	Well, if you pressurize the aircraft like we do today with a commercial airliner, then you don't need to have oxygen.
	you keep it at an altitude which provides enough oxygen for you.
	So your airliners today are pressurized I believe at about 8,000 feet effectively even
	when they are up to 30,000 feet we would do much the same thing.
	I guess it would treat your ears the same way?
	You have to be again pressurization is important because this climbs so fast it climbs at over
	a mile a minute.
	Yeah that's fast.
	If you were to do that without the pressurization it would be a painful experience.
	So pressurization, again, eases that process.
	It makes it less painful, or at least hopefully not painful whatsoever to do that.
	Bad thing to do with a cold.
	Have you ever done that?
	Well, I'll tell you to pack it in there like cement.
	Alright, here we go.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Paul Mueller.
	Hi.
	Yeah, hi, Doctor.
	I'm calling from the island of Kauai in Hawaii.
	Wow.
	And I'm a flight instructor here, and I have a business where I pick people up, and we use these light aircraft called, we call them trikes.
	They're, you know, the hang glider type wing.
	That's a certified wing, 6 G's positive, 4 negative.
	We have also the rocket parachute system on them.
	And they are, we basically, I cannot handle the amount of people now that want to come out to go and try this type of aviation.
	The public, you know, they're visiting here.
	We have a wide range of people from all over the world coming.
	And I'm just finding out that more and more people are so interested in having some form of personal flight.
	And this introduces them to them, and they can come up and show them how.
	And with the over-regulation of small aircraft and everything, people want to really experience personal flight.
	This idea of your sky car scene, I think it's just going to be, it should be just awesome.
	I feel I have a pulse on the public because of the amount of people that call and want to try this.
	It's amazing.
	You know, these are similar to, I don't know if any of you guys have seen that movie Fly Away Home, where they teach the animals to, you know, the geese and so on, to migrate.
	Oh yes, I have.
	Right, so these are the type of aircraft we're using, and there's many companies building them.
	Basically what you're saying is the interest in this kind of personal flight is right on through the roof.
	It's huge, and the age range is typically 35 and above.
	We find that pretty solid.
	There's a few of us here in the state doing this for a living, and we all have the same consensus, 35 and above.
	So people have this type of income that were interested in this type of personal flight.
	And it is, it's huge, the interest is there.
	Alright, that's very clear.
	Doctor, I guess you're depending on that, aren't you?
	Of course, that's great.
	I mean, anything that opens people up to the opportunity to fly, and if you can make them feel safe in the process, and also make a utilitarian, where they can enjoy it, on one hand, as a recreational product, and they can enjoy it the other, something that gets them around efficiently, then I think That's the perfect future for us.
	Well, you know, safe and flying would be a couple good words to see get together again.
	These are hard times.
	It is.
	Even though the stats are still on our side, with even conventional flight in terms of safety, somehow psychologically, you know, the 11th ruined us in some ways.
	Wildcard Line, you're on air with Dr. Mueller.
	Hello.
	Yes, this is Gordon in Pahrump.
	Oh, in Pahrump.
	Right.
	Listening to... K9.
	KNYA.
	Right.
	85.1.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, I had a question for Mr. Mohler.
	The Videos on his site of his test flights
	Show the engine the cells mounted at a 45 degree angle And I was wondering why that is because I understood it was
	going to be Vectored and not in the cells turning well it is vectors,
	and they turn it's a combination And there's a number of reasons we added the partial
	rotation one was that we found that when the vehicles were
	horizontal near the ground it tended to suck up a lot of debris and
	So we found that the safest thing to do is rotate them partially
	But they still they still go the flow is still reflected in the exit by a series of veins that are part of part of
	Our patent, but you start out at a fixed 45 degree angle And then and then as you go forward first the veins go back
	to horizontal and then they sorry then the cells go back to horizontal
	That's the lifting pods, and then the vanes themselves go back to horizontal, and then you end up in the previous configuration.
	But it's very observant of you to point that out, that that is a change.
	It is a change.
	There's a number of other reasons, but I gave you the simple one, that it really helped prevent debris being sucked into the engine as it approaches the ground.
	How's that, sir?
	Oh, that's very good, and I certainly hope this takes off.
	I used to be a private pilot, and I'd sure like to be Back to be able to fly again with a heart condition.
	Of course, I'd never get a license.
	But you will.
	You will get a power license.
	Your heart condition is not going to be a problem.
	All right.
	Yeah, it wouldn't be, would it?
	In other words, the worst thing that would happen, I suppose, is you would arrive dead.
	That's the worst case.
	Not due to the SkyCar.
	Not, no.
	Just the heart, I mean.
	But it would deliver you safely to the ground.
	Or maybe the SkyCar would even have... Would there be, for example, Suppose you got up there and you were having a heart attack.
	Could you press some kind of panic button that would take you to a hospital?
	Well, I haven't thought about that, but it seems like a fairly simple thing to add to it, if it's got this kind of... Well, you know, you're going to have in-flight emergencies.
	You know, people, oh, my appendix, oh, this, that, whatever.
	Take me to the nearest hospital.
	That's right.
	Yeah, I don't see any reason that could be a part of it.
	We haven't actually spent a lot of time thinking about that, but certainly we've talked to the medevac people, because they're very interested in something.
	They can land in the middle of a freeway.
	But here you might medevac yourself.
	That's exactly right.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Paul Moeller.
	Hi.
	How are you?
	Okay, sir.
	Where are you?
	I am in Omaha, Nebraska.
	Okay.
	And I had a question for you.
	Well, a couple, actually.
	First of all, are you getting a whole lot of static regarding the oil industry and how fuel-efficient this thing would be?
	And the second question is, how do you define the controlled airspace, whether or not you're going to have Basically, you're going to have complete control of the vehicle.
	How do you control that delineate?
	Well, right now, there is no highway in the sky in the way that we would envision it, but that is being worked on.
	I mean, if you study some of what they call the the various controls networks that they're proposing to put
	in place going to come about and again as i said it's going to be
	like highways every vehicle can be going down the highway at the same speed
	uh... following each other in a controlled manner uh... that
	i don't know cargo head
	and you are the first question of three with the first question was
	the first question was uh... are you catching a whole lot of uh... static
	from the oil industry regarding how efficient these vehicles with
	are well i think that you know anything that anything increases our freedom is is
	going to be utilized even more than
	and perhaps in the past with you let this So while it may be fuel efficient, I think that the oil industry probably, maybe they'll be threatened by the fact that we can run on alcohol, for example.
	But from the point of view of fuel consumption generally, every year we use more fuel because people want more freedom, they want to go further, they want to go faster, and this is going to allow them to do that.
	That's the important thing.
	Hi Art.
	Hi Doctor.
	I had a couple of questions.
	The first question I had is when you're actually getting into the higher elevations, when you're getting to 30,000 feet, you're looking at extreme temperature differences and I was wondering what you're working on as far as the system is like for breaking away ice, ice reduction, whether you're doing fluid movement or using ice breakers.
	And I would also want to know if you're familiar with Eclipse Aviation and the things that they're changing with actually having the big highway routes and things like that that are changing with the FAA.
	Well, we certainly are looking at the anti-icing issue.
	We've got a lot of onboard heating because we have a lot of onboard cooling for the engines with liquid which can be circulated through these fairly small wings and around the nose of the nacelles.
	So I think that icing is clearly an issue.
	You always have to deal with that.
	It's part of the certification process for all-weather flight.
	And we continue to do that, but it's not high on our priority list right now because of so many other things.
	Regarding the Eclipse aircraft, I think that's marvelous.
	I mean, that's a major breakthrough where you're going to have these small jet airplanes that'll carry six or seven passengers and the planes can be purchased for under a million dollars.
	I think it's another form of transportation that complements what we're doing.
	Yeah, that's wonderful.
	Alright, well thank you very much.
	You're welcome, sir, and thank you for calling.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Paul Mueller.
	Good morning.
	Hello?
	Going once?
	Yes?
	Yeah, I was wondering about, you know, for people like in cities that, you know, are just, you know, going like around the corner, you know, down the block.
	Does it have wheels and you don't go on the ground?
	Oh, okay.
	Actually, pretty good question.
	Now, you're right, Doctor.
	In other words, there are still, even with your car, there are certain short trips, I mean really short trips, that wouldn't justify air travel or would it?
	Well, let me explain.
	The vehicle itself is street legal.
	It's street legal width and it has wheels and it's because it's three-wheeled.
	So you don't have some of the DOT regulations.
	But it can drive for distances on the street.
	But the only reason you'd probably do that is to get from your home to a vertiport,
	someplace where you can take off if you can't take off from your home.
	Otherwise, I think it's gonna be complemented by owning a electric vehicle
	or something that is just much more practical for in the city usage.
	It's not a vehicle that you're gonna want to park or run around in the city.
	Why drive when you can fly?
	So you're going to have a complementary world, I think, where you have electric vehicles
	or fuel cell-driven vehicles for up to 50 miles.
	And then for any trip over 50 miles, you'll use the Skycar.
	How much study has your company done on the social impact, the social, political, economic impact of a society airborne, as we've been discussing?
	I mean, it would be incredible.
	Besides shifting the people out of the cities, it would change, it seems like it would change Every aspect of life right now, I mean, commerce would change in so many ways.
	It would just change everything.
	The impact would be astounding.
	But what it does, and what this type of vehicle would do, making assumptions that there'll be many other competing vehicles that have similar characteristics, is that it makes use of this enormous natural resource that is really unused today.
	We have this incredible major ground transportation problem.
	And we have this wonderful medium in which to solve it.
	But we haven't made that connection.
	I always say that if we could get to the moon, and let me tell you from an engineering point of view, getting the moon is a hell of a lot more difficult than what I've done.
	And we did it and we did it successfully.
	It was just a matter of national priorities.
	if we decide we want to put this kind of vehicle in the hands of every
	american we can do it
	it's just uh... it it just maybe have to get a lot worse on the highway before
	congressman can't get to the airport and then they'll start thinking about
	I don't know how much worse it is.
	Listen, here's something.
	In the first years, Doctor, isn't it likely that the rich will soar over the poor?
	I mean, that's a pretty brutal way to put it, but I mean... I think that may be true if you envision a vehicle as something that you necessarily purchase.
	But, you know, one of the reasons we don't like to use taxis, or at least a lot of people I know don't like to use it, is because they don't like to have somebody else in their car that they don't know.
	That's right.
	But if you can have a vehicle landed at your doorstep, where you go out and get in and there's nobody around it, it's like renting a car really, except you don't have to get involved in that.
	I think you'll see a lot more usage of this vehicle as a rental vehicle, perhaps as an air taxi.
	So then the rental vehicle then potentially would like Take off from Hertz, rent an air car, right?
	And it would land at your house, on, with no pilot, just, the door would open, there would be, and you would have already paid by credit card, or whatever debit system we have by then, and you just get in and go.
	and you know that that's probably twenty five years away to do that but ten years
	away you could go to a vertical work which may be two or three blocks away
	uh... and uh... and uh... and and pick it up there so you could drive your electric vehicle to the report and
	take off and go anywhere from that point and then the indian in time to go
	it'll have a career out What a different world that would be.
	A wild card line, you're on the air with Dr. Mueller.
	Hello.
	Hi, I got into this conversation kind of late, but I don't know what fuel you said this thing runs on, but I was wondering about hydrogen, because that seems like... Well, you said they've done hydrogen, they've done diesel, they've done, I guess, gasoline, maybe?
	And gasoline, a lot of gasoline, and then alcohol, which is what we're flying with right now.
	Hydrogen is a good choice, except that we still have ourselves some of the storage and safety issues associated with hydrogen.
	What about in hydride form?
	Hydride is a good way to do it from a safety point of view, but it does add weight that is much more penalizing to something like a vertical takeoff aircraft than it would be for an automobile.
	So for the moment, where weight is extremely critical and something that has to lift itself off the ground by its bootstrap, we can't afford that extra weight.
	But I think with time, they'll find other forms of generating hydrogen that will be lighter.
	And I think hydrogen would be the fuel of choice at that time.
	Are you keeping in mind, you know, the environment and that sort of thing?
	Because you know, like, Ford didn't really think about that when he went to oil, you know?
	So are you kind of like, you know what oil has done to the planet?
	So I'm just wondering if you thought of, uh... Yeah, I was going to point it out.
	You know, our engine itself is remarkably low emissions.
	We have shown that the emissions out of our engine is lower than the ambient conditions in L.A.
	in many cases.
	So you can actually breathe our exhaust.
	Over preferentially over the air in LA but at the same time it's still not perfect and ideally you would want to go to as you say hydrogen or even alcohol is better and alcohol and water in combination is particularly good because it gets rid of the nitrous oxides as well so there are ways to get very close to perfect below emissions but we aren't there yet.
	Listen, there are going to be people who are going to want to contact you.
	I assume that contact with you is possible somehow or another through your website?
	Sure, they can get a hold of us.
	We have emails, of course, into our company and we try to respond to them, but of course, you know, often it becomes almost impossible to be We do have a question and answer section on our website and
	if we have questions we typically put answers to those questions back on our website.
	So like a frequently asked question section?
	Right.
	So if people come up with new questions we'll add those on a weekly basis to our website.
	So you're pretty proactive on the website front keeping people informed.
	Right.
	We are and of course that's one of the reasons we've been successful in our business is that
	we've been very proactive in keeping our investors informed over the years and we've had some
	– we've had investors that joined us 35 years ago that continue to invest.
	It's been a long time coming.
	into our company because they've always felt comfortable that we were keeping
	them well informed. Well you're obviously making leaps and jumps and flights and
	stuff and that's what gets people really inspired. It's been a long time coming
	I'm sure that getting it in the air was a big moment for you wasn't it in July?
	It was.
	And of course, you know, we've had previous successes of getting it into the air, but they've been, you know, fair distances apart.
	So it's always important that the latest one, which is certainly the more appropriate vehicle, was flown.
	And people can see it on our website.
	And they will.
	Dr. Mueller, oh, what a pleasure to have you on the air again.
	And when you make the next leap, I want you back.
	Well, I really appreciate the opportunity.
	I certainly will join you again.
	Take care, my friend.
	Thank you very much.
	That's Dr. Paul Muller and the Skycar.
	From the high desert, I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.

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