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Sept. 13, 2002 - Art Bell
02:47:36
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Dr. Evelyn Paglini - Witchcraft & the Occult
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I'm Art Bell, and this, of course, is Coast to Coast AM in the Nighttime on Friday the 13th.
Friday the 13th, that would seem like a good day to have a witch on, wouldn't it?
And boy, do we have a witch for you.
Evelyn Pike Leany, the real McCoy, all her life is a real witch.
Now, preceding programs like this, I always get emails like the one I've got here.
Because, Art Bell, you are a godless man.
I've been a listener a long time, but tomorrow night I shall not listen.
Referring to my promotion of the show tonight.
Having a witch on.
Can't believe it.
Well, uh, yes.
Actually, I'm not godless.
I'm a libertarian.
And we'll talk more about that.
You know, I really am probably a Christian in a sense.
I believe in God or a creator.
I definitely do.
But I also think that magic is real.
So magic is real.
And so where does that come from?
Well, I don't know.
You know, the Christians have a bad answer.
It comes from down there, right?
So, we're going to be talking, and it's a particularly interesting program tonight, because we're going to talk about mirrors.
And this is a subject, Mirror Magic, it's a subject that I broached some time ago on the show, probably a couple, few months ago.
Because mirrors would appear to be the key to the infinite, they certainly may be a doorway to the infinite.
And whether it's Michio Kaku's Multi-dimensions.
Which, by the way, we're going to have to take lifeboat two one day, according to last night's program, or it's all going to be gone.
Gone, gone, gone!
It's the way it's all going to end.
Fire and ice.
Wasn't that some program?
Alright, let's do a look at a few things around the world right now, alright?
U.S.
officials struck a double blow Friday in the war on terrorism.
Capturing an overseas fugitive suspected of helping organize the September 11 attacks, and breaking up of a suspected terrorist cell, they found one in the suburbs of Buffalo.
Oh, really?
Buffalo, New York?
We're heard there?
An Al-Qaeda cell in a suburb of Buffalo, New York.
Well, there's something to think about.
Hm.
Wonder if there's one here in Trump.
Secretary of State Colin Powell gained diplomatic support for the strong U.S.
stand against Saddam Hussein, winning approval Friday from all members of the U.N.
Security Council for President Bush's assertion that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein poses a threat to international security.
Still, Bush says he doubts Saddam is going to give up his weapons, even in the face of U.N.
demands or the U.S.
threat of military force.
A Dr. Kaku thought he might, And allow the inspectors back in.
I kind of doubt it myself.
In Florida, Janet Reno has run for governor.
Didn't exactly burn them down there.
She's requesting a statewide recount Friday of every single vote in Florida's botched primary.
But they promptly turned that down and said, no way.
Any votes unfound for you that might be found will count.
But we're not recounting here.
Three men in Florida, oh big story on CNN during the day, three men in Florida were overheard talking about a terrorist plot, allegedly.
They were pulled over and detained for 17 hours Friday while authorities probably took apart every single panel and piece and part of their car.
medical students in Florida now they thought they were joking around I guess and allegedly said some things in a restaurant that a lady overheard and she called authorities and they were stopped on I think it was Route 17 and they had a real bad day now joking around about bringing down buildings or a terrorist attack in the presence of others is not Not a very wise thing to be doing, is it?
It's akin to standing in line at the airport, you know, to get on the plane and start joking around about a bomb.
Bad juju.
They will take you and you will not be the same for a long time.
It's not a good idea to do that.
Senator Patrick Leahy, during the day, said that It's worth asking whether the current outbreak of West Nile virus around the country just might not be the work of bioterrorists.
As you know, West Nile is spreading virtually everywhere.
I'm in one of the last remaining states that has not felt its presence yet, and that's no doubt because mosquitoes don't like the desert.
You know, they need a little humidity and standing water and that kind of thing, and that's almost everywhere.
Believe me, there is no water standing out here.
So we don't have West Nile yet.
Knock on pressed wood.
But the senator thinks it might be bioterrorism, and you've got to think about it a little bit.
It just might.
Oh, somebody sent me an interesting, you know my position on this terrorist thing.
As far as I'm concerned, we kill before we're killed.
And somebody sent me this I thought interesting.
He says, Art, in order to avoid killing, it's what animals do.
We should avoid it.
We're men, not animals.
Killing in order to avoid killing, or killing to avoid being killed is what animals do, and we're not animals.
We're created in God's image, and this isn't a godly thing.
We're not created in the image of the beast, 666.
So, you know, he's saying we shouldn't do that.
That's the old turn-the-other-national-cheek argument.
Once you've been slapped real hard with a couple buildings down and thousands of Americans dead, you must turn the other cheek.
And I don't know what that would be for, but probably nothing good.
Buzz Aldrin.
Of course, you know about that story.
A guy came up to Buzz and wanted him to swear.
This was like the fourth time around.
Wanted him to swear in a Bible he went to the moon.
Buzz is alleged to have Givin' the guy a good right hand.
Matter of fact, he did.
The guy's name is Sybil, who got cold cocked, said he'd confronted Aldrin twice before, and was surprised that Aldrin reacted the way he did this time.
He said, quote, I was very surprised that he hit me, although it was a foolish thing for him to have done in front of two video cameras.
Continuing the quote, he has a good punch.
It was quick, too.
I didn't see it coming.
End quote.
Yeah.
It just may be that, you know, Buzz and the other astronauts are being tired, just getting bone tired of being asked whether or not they really did what they... In other words, they're saying, put your hand on a Bible and swear you're not a liar.
Stay right there.
there will be a red dot alright uh... here's the libertarian party coming out
Thank you.
This is really an interesting story from Carson City Associated Press.
Here in Nevada, my state, they love gambling, tolerate prostitution, and now they're talking about legalizing pot.
A measure on the ballot November 5th would make Nevada the first state to allow adults to possess marijuana up to 3 ounces.
Enough for maybe 100 joints.
People over 21 would be allowed to smoke it in their homes, but not cars, not public places.
Pot would be sold in state licensed smoke shops and taxed just like cigarettes.
The sponsor of the bill, Said this initiative will allow the police to spend more time going after murderers, rapists, and other violent criminals.
Billy Rogers is a leader of the group that's pushing the measure.
I probably ought to have him on the air.
Whether it could take effect, of course, is unclear because the feds, you know, have their drug war going.
Nevada is home of the nation's gambling capital, Las Vegas.
And, uh, we've always had a fondness for what others forbid here.
Although prostitution is banned in Las Vegas itself, Reno, and Carson City, and in 49 states, it is legal in 10 of Nevada's 17 counties, including the one I live in.
The vote on marijuana represents a remarkable, truly remarkable, about-face in my state's attitude towards pot.
A year ago, Nevada had one of the nation's strictest marijuana laws.
Possession of a single joint, even a little seed or something, was a felony and could put you, a felony, that's right, and could put you in jail for a year or more.
In 2000, Nevada voters approved the use of medical marijuana and the legislature voted in 2001 to make possession of less than an ounce pod a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and $1,000 fine.
Now get this, opinion polls on the marijuana measure here in my state show Nevadans almost evenly split with opponents gaining ground.
Wow!
So, the people behind this bill are gaining ground with the public.
Well, they've got my support.
It's time to end the madness.
It is more than time to end the madness.
And I would be proud if my state, which is full of a lot of You know, we've got a lot of rebellious kind of people in Nevada.
They're not in a liberal sense so much, but just libertarian.
In other words, you know, I'll leave you alone, you leave me the hell alone kind of attitude.
And so here in Nevada, as surprising and shocking as it might be considering we have the stiffest laws against marijuana in the country, I think the public is about ready to say, Time to end the madness.
And I'm not talking about reefer madness.
I'm talking about the madness of a drug war that has aspects to it that I think are more hurtful than helpful.
In other words, a child, perhaps 13, 14 years old, we all know in the real world here, is going to be exposed to marijuana.
The advertising is going to tell them they're going to be hooked, they're going to become a druggie, they're gonna, you know, go nuts, they're gonna, whatever all it is they say about marijuana these days.
And we tell them this, and we tell them how horrible it is, and addictive, and all the rest of it, and it's not.
And then they try it.
And because they've been told one lie, It's much easier, in my opinion, for them to make the next step and go on to, you know, whatever, crack cocaine, heroin, whatever else they would then conclude we had lied about.
So I, you know, I think it's insane to continue the war on drugs as it is presently constituted.
That doesn't mean that I don't think that other drugs should not be... In other words, that government doesn't have a place in regulation With regard to certain kinds of drugs that are very clearly addictive.
Because I do think they've got a place.
But not with marijuana.
Not with marijuana.
And so, I'm very much in support of this, and if I can find this person, who is he?
Billy Rogers?
I'd like to have him on the air.
So Billy, or whoever supports Billy, By all means, let's have him on the air here.
Let's let him have his say.
I would be very proud if my state was the first to, as I put it, end the madness.
Jails are filling up with people who are smoking pot.
It's ridiculous.
We've got enough really tough crime out there to pursue.
Art, this is an email.
You mentioned your guest for Friday night would be talking about something you called Mirror Magic, and it reminded me that you had expressed some fascination with the idea of mirrors having certain paranormal qualities.
Yeah, you bet.
It occurred to me that if you really wanted to find out, beauty salons have lots of mirrors facing each other, each in every way.
People who have worked in those places, or even customers, would have had certain types of experiences If there are such properties, wouldn't they?
One would expect so.
Also, how about antique shops?
That's a good point.
So I wonder if people who have worked in places where there are always mirrors would have more to say on this subject than others.
You would expect so if the paranormal qualities attributed that I think are in me.
Why do I think that?
Well, Have you ever taken, and this came up on a prior show, a video camera and pointed it at the monitor that is displaying the image from the video camera?
What will result is a gazillion images, kind of like a giant wormhole.
In fact, it'll even kind of, if you're not at the right angle, it'll curve around just like a wormhole would.
And If some magic is real, and I think some magic is real, how ungodly!
Right?
I do think some magic is real, and that's why I've got Evelyn coming on.
But we'll see.
It's a very, very interesting subject, and if any of you have comments here in the first hour on the subject, I'd love to hear them.
Oh, by the way, on one other note, The voltage on my antenna, I have not yet really made a careful determination about what I've got, other than measuring on a volt-o-meter.
What I've got to do is bring the oscilloscope that I've got at work, home, at the radio station, bring it home and look at the waveform, and try and decide exactly what it is that I've got here.
I can do that, and probably will.
In the meantime, I've ordered bleeder resistors and driven some stakes in the ground, and I'm going to rid my antenna of that obnoxious voltage.
It will always be there, and I'll only have to take the resistors off for it to return, but in terms of the purpose for which I'm going to use this monster antenna, I don't want that voltage down there.
So I shall bleed it away to ground before it enters the home.
A red-tailed hawk collided with a Sylvania, Washington woman's pickup truck and went on a rambage after the bird-loving motorist freed its wing from the side-view mirror.
The hawk flew inside the truck, bit the woman's lip, then sank its talons into her right arm, refusing to let go.
Every time I touched that bird, it gripped harder, said the woman who drove to a nearby gas station where firefighters and wildlife experts were called to pull the hawk off her.
By the way, the woman's name is Julie Wing.
Ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
I once had a seagull grab a hamburger down in Santa Barbara.
A seagull flew right to the side window.
Bold as you please.
I was sitting at a little, you know, in a parking lot of a burger joint.
I was eating my hamburger and this little sucker flew right, perched on the window, grabbed my burger and split.
The only experience I've had.
Then finally, this thought.
Think about this.
The number of physicians in the United States is 700,000.
Accidental deaths caused by those physicians per year is 120,000.
Accidental deaths per physician would be 0.171, according to the U.S.
Department of Health and Human Services.
Now, consider.
A. The number of gun owners in the United States is 80 million.
80 million, compared to 700,000 physicians, right?
80 million.
The number of accidental gun deaths per year, of all age groups considered, is 1500.
The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188.
is .0000188.
So, statistically, doctors are approximately nine thousand times more
dangerous than gun owners.
Fact! Not everyone has a gun, but almost everyone has at least one doctor.
So, please alert your friends to this alarming threat.
We must ban doctors before this gets out of hand.
As a public health measure, I have withheld these statistics on lawyers for fear of the shock that it might cause people Who might otherwise seek medical attention, or who would then be required to.
Alright, we'll break here, and then we'll do open lines through the top of the hour.
The witch, Evelyn Paglini, will be here tonight.
stay right where you are.
I gave you love, I thought that we had made it to the top.
I gave you all I had to give. Why didn't I?
I gave you love, I thought that we had made it to the top I gave you all I had to give
If I didn't have...
She's got something in me, my soul And she knows I love to love her
But she lets me down every time Can't make her mine, she's no one's lover tonight
With me she'll be so inviting I want her all for myself
Oh, temptation I Can't screw up my mind, oh
Temptation I Got your love in me, got your love in me tonight
Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nigh from west of the Rockies at 1-800-9-4.
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And the wildcard line is open at 1-775-727-1295.
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This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nile.
Well, this is what I call an up song.
You know, this will get your blood going.
It's a course of grassroots.
I got to introduce the grassroots on stage one time, a long time ago, many years ago in Anchorage, Alaska.
And it was a blast.
What a concert that was.
I mean, you gotta admit, this song just plain rocks.
All those years have gone by, and baby, it still rocks.
Just one more little item, and then we'll go to open lines here.
This is a pretty interesting story.
It's MSNBC, so that you know I don't make all this up.
MSNBC reports, uh, Russian officials claim credit for rain.
Light showers relieve smoke-choked Moscow.
But how?
Moscow, September 6.
The day after acrid smoke from forest and peat fires blanketed Moscow, a light rain Friday cleared the air, and the government claimed the credit.
The Emergency Situations Ministry said that it drew rain clouds to the smog-shrouded capital and created showers.
By switching on, listen now, a cube-shaped piece of equipment, three feet on each side, that sits atop a ministry building in Western Moscow.
They show a picture of this thing.
Yes, we did it, said Minister Spokesman Victor Beltsov, proudly, of the drizzle that brought did bring relief.
In fact, after several rainless weeks, he said, The ministry kept the device working Friday in an effort to repeat the initial success.
It was the first time the ministry had used the ionizer, a device developed by its research institute that cranks out electrically charged atoms.
The institute's director, Nick Hale, I wouldn't even try his last name, said the device, a metal cage crisscrossed by tungsten wire, emits a vertical flow of oxygen ions that stir the air and raise humidity.
He said, quote, the flow of ions blew a hole in the smog layer and drove its particles up higher.
At the next stage, oxygen ions concentrated humidity, and voila!
Rain!
So there the Russians are again, and they actually show this large cage, as described, mounted on top of a building.
It's an MSNBC article entitled, Russian Officials Claim Credit for Rain.
Isn't that wild?
Wild card line.
You're on the air.
Good morning.
Hello.
Hello.
Yes, sir.
You're on.
This is it.
This is Jason in Door County.
Hi, Jason.
First of all, I appreciate the line.
Second, I've got to say, I don't get to listen to you very often, so if my theory's been discussed already, feel free to cut me off.
On the topic of zero-point energy.
Yes.
I find it kind of ironic that you've done these studies with collective consciousness or mass consciousness, where things have come, and if I'm correct, zero-point energy is a source of energy that physicists can't explain, but they know exists?
It's all connected, sir.
I believe that mass consciousness is that zero-point energy.
Well, either that or it's a conduit for it, but at this point I think all we know is that it's real and that it's all connected.
That's what I would say to what you've just said.
I agree with you completely.
I think the work that remote viewers do is in the same collective oneness, the same area of connectiveness, if that's the right term, and I think it is, connectivity.
And that ultimately all of these answers are going to point in the same direction.
And that's probably where the zero point comes from.
Sure.
I buy into that.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi Art.
Hi.
Bruce in Toronto.
I want to ask you a quick question and I'll pose a scenario.
Do you consider global climate change to be a threat to international security?
Hell yes.
Okay, well, here's the scenario.
The United States being the largest emitter of greenhouse gases, which seems to be responsible for a large part of what's happening with climate change.
Well, no, wait a minute.
Hold on.
I did say that I believe firmly the climate is changing, that it poses a national security threat.
But I don't absolutely agree that what man is doing is necessarily what's causing the change.
I would give equal possibility to that and just a natural process of change.
I mean, we know, you know, little flowers in the mouths of woolly mammoths and all that stuff.
That's right.
I mean, it's happened before.
Rapid climate change.
So, I don't know what to ascribe it to.
I'm giving equal weight to both possibilities.
But you would concede that it's entirely possible that the man-made component is significant.
Yep, yep, it's possible.
And the United States is, in fact, one of the largest emitters of greenhouse gases.
Indeed, yes.
And you have a president who has refused, he says he has no intention of signing the Kyoto Accord.
that's right so of what i would suggest that the u n should uh... issue a
resolution uh... demanding that the united states uh... finally keo to
a court within the last minute would give you three months
Or what?
Or we'll put together a coalition of forces and send them in and depose your leader, which is what you guys want to do in Iraq.
And the reason that I think that we should do that is because I'm one of those people who believes what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
All right, thanks.
Why not?
We'll smoke on that one for a while.
The world invades the U.S.
The U.N.
demands that we sign the Kyoto Accord.
All right, this is not like a mandatory thing.
Could you sign or not?
I mean, that was rule, right?
We didn't sign.
That's okay.
Might not be okay in terms of what it causes, if what he believes is true is true, but having the U.N.
with an invasion force coming in?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Uh, you know what I have to say about the U.N.?
I think the U.N.
building is really nice in New York.
It's a very cool building.
If you look at the U.N., it's a nice building.
That's about all I can say about the U.N.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, this is Andrea in Montrose, California.
Hello, Andrea.
Yeah, uh, about the mirrors.
Ah, the mirrors.
And also about dead druids.
First, about the mirrors.
Dead druids?
Dead druids.
Well, I can mention that first.
Is that like a rock group?
The Dead Roots?
You know, I thought you just mentioned something.
Locally, there's a place called Altagina.
It's above Pasadena.
And a friend of mine has written up in a local paper in an ancient archaeology magazine about finding a stone marker written by Druids and Celts 1,500 years ago in memory of One of their number that died 1500 years ago in this area of Southern California.
Well, I'd definitely be a dead druid.
That would be a dead druid, and of course there's a lot of controversy.
Alright, on to your first topic.
Okay.
Well, there's something called a dark mirror.
A dark mirror.
And it has to do with fortune telling.
Also, I think it's something like... Well, you know, when in your car, when you flip your visor on modern cars, it goes to a darker mirror so that people's bright lights behind you don't bug you, right?
Is that kind of dark mirror?
You mean that kind of dark mirror?
No, this is actually something called scrying.
Okay, we're going to cover scrying.
I'm not totally sure what scrying is.
But that's one of the subjects we're going to cover with Evelyn tonight with regard to Mears.
I think it's a bit like a Ouija board, too, that you get spirits out if you're not careful.
Well, it's a way of opening.
Did you hear what I said about the monitor and the camera and how you get this long, curved, apparent infinity of picture after picture after picture?
Have you ever seen that?
Yes.
It is so cool.
I think there's an answer there somewhere.
In other words, somewhere there, There's some sort of probable opening that's created by the infinite nature of mirrors.
Yes, it's going to be a very interesting program.
First time caller line, you are on the air.
Hello.
Art?
Yes.
How you doing tonight?
I'm doing just spiffy.
Pleasure to speak with you after all these years listening to you.
Thank you very much.
I'm calling in regards to a photographic phenomenon.
I recently bought my wife a digital camera.
And I took a picture of a dolphin.
I'm calling from down here in Florida.
Right.
And when I went up to show the picture, in the top left-hand corner, there's two people.
There's a man and a woman, and the woman is like holding her hands in front of her mouth, like if you were shouting at somebody.
Yes, yes.
And on the other side where the splash is coming from the dolphin, there's a clear picture
of a skull.
And, you know, the first time I saw this, I was like, you know, what's going on here?
And everyone I've shown it to, I've never told them, you know, what is, you know, I've
never told them what's on the picture.
I say, what do you see?
And they all see it.
Since then, I've captured two other pictures that are pretty much the same thing.
One of them is of Jesus, I mean, a clear picture of Jesus.
And that comes out.
I'm wondering, I mean, I don't know what's going on there.
I've never heard you cover this topic on any of your shows.
No, I haven't.
Now, I'll tell you what.
I'm very open-minded, so send me copies in email.
I'm artbell at mindspring.com.
All right?
A-R-T-B-E-L at mindspring.com.
Send them to me, and I will put them on the website with your permission, and we shall judge what you have done.
Yeah, most definitely.
I've been trying to get a hold of you to get that, you know, to see if you'd like me to send them to you, because... Yes.
I'd like someone to analyze them and know what they're doing.
Well, I don't know that I know what I'm doing, but I absolutely will subject them to public scrutiny for you, alright?
Okay.
Consider it done.
Send them.
Huh.
Just happened to catch Jesus truckin' around.
Well, maybe, uh...
Maybe he caught a little slice of time.
I don't know.
The modern era of computers and digital cameras and things that are going faster and faster and much higher resolution, it's all leading in an interesting direction.
In fact, as we exceed the capability of the human eye, we begin to see things that the human eye doesn't see.
Doesn't that make sense?
And as we look in infrared and other spectrums that the human eye doesn't perceive without help, then, sure enough, we may begin to see things that normal human eyes don't see.
Because they're there.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hey, Art, how you doing?
Doing okay, sir.
Good.
Yeah, I'd just like to say that for sure, murdering innocent people would not be very godly, and I think anybody from every religion would agree to that wholeheartedly.
Yeah, but is it murder when it's self-defense?
Right.
Well, you know, if evidence isn't a requirement for you, Art, to figure out who is evil, why not just suggest murdering more people in New York?
They're closer.
I mean, you want to stand behind the FBI and the investigations that they've concluded, as well as the CIA.
You know, the evidence stands before ourselves irrespective of your opinion.
Well, who would you stand by?
I said it stands irrespective... I know, I said who would you stand by?
Well, I stand by the evidence that NBC has brought forward, that two days prior to 9-11, at the White House, existed a war strategy to invade specifically Afghanistan, with a prerequisite strategy of blaming Bin Laden for a crime, but providing no evidence.
In addition to that... Okay, sure, then, wait a minute, hold on.
Listen, I will hang up on you, warning one, if you don't have a conversation with me.
Who do you think blew up the buildings?
Well, we have to go by what the FBI has provided.
No, no, no.
You just said we don't have to go by that.
So, who do you think blew up the buildings?
Well, it was caused by the planes that smashed into them, Art, but I'm saying the FBI.
Duh!
Oh, come on.
Duh!
I said who is behind blowing up those buildings, in your opinion?
Well, I follow what the FBI has informed me on.
Oh, then you're a living contradiction because you just said you don't believe what the FBI... I'm saying that you won't pay attention to what the FBI is saying on behalf of the Americans.
Well, you care what I think.
What do you care what I think?
I care what you think.
Who do you think blew up the buildings?
I'm asking one last time.
There's uncertainty there.
There's uncertainty.
We know that the FBI was forbidden from pursuing bin laden investigations.
Just prior to 9-11, after the administration had been warned... Oh, give me a break!
Give me a break!
Goodbye!
We, as a matter of fact, did attack one prior time in a prior administration.
We attacked Afghanistan.
We knew damn well what was going on over there.
Not when they would hit exactly, but we knew what was going on over there.
And we knew the extremists had camps going and That they wanted to kill us, and they proceeded to prove that.
I'm not exactly sure where that conversation was going.
He was trying to be real as anti-American as he could, but when pressed for the evidence, or even the names, Which he claims our own FBI, CIA, and entire government can't properly come up with.
He didn't have any idea, wasn't willing to say one of the two.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Good evening, Art.
Good evening.
I'm listening to you on WGY-810's Connected in New York.
Yes, sir.
In Mansfield, Ohio.
You are welcome.
I've listened to you and your good doctor talk about how Jupiter catches many of the asteroids for us.
Well, because of its massive gravity, yes.
Now, I would like to suggest a dramatic badminton game that would be far more difficult, but could NASA pick out some of the small asteroids headed towards us and deliberately impact them on the moon where the people could see them impact and leave a tiny mark on there?
Maybe even make a small difference in the velocity of the moon, which would make our binary gravity system take on a different velocity, if we wish to do so.
Well, that sounds like NASA's project to move the Earth away from the Sun for global warming, then move it back after it gets cool.
I'm sorry, but I think that's madness.
I mean, he's suggesting that we deliberately direct asteroids to hit our moon, changing its orbit.
Now this is probably a really bad idea, because you just don't know what's going to happen.
Now the moon is up there in its orbit for a specific celestial reason of some sort or another, and if we should change that, or by mistake hedge it our way, or hedge it out into deep space, and then all of a sudden our tides go away, I mean, there's just no end to the things that could happen.
Most of them absolutely negative.
I wouldn't think that's a real good idea.
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Hello.
Hi, it's Darlene.
Hello, Darlene.
Hi.
Is this on?
Good guess.
Oh, well, I couldn't tell because I had the radio on and I just turned it down.
Good girl.
Yeah.
I'd like to talk about the mirrors.
Yes.
Well, I'm 53, and when I was maybe 8 years old, I had this really cool Yes.
I somehow stepped into that mirror.
Do you recall the sensations or the effect?
I remember being inside looking out.
Yes.
So that you can see zillions of yourself.
Yes.
I somehow stepped into that mirror.
And here we go.
Yeah, it was really strange.
Well, you stepped into the mirror.
Do you recall the sensations or the effect?
I remember being inside looking out.
Really?
Yeah.
And I remember that if I crossed into these different images of the mirror, it was like
different dimensions.
Yes.
But I had to keep where I could see myself.
I was going to say, you know, the big worry for me, if I were able to do that, would be that I would, I'd get lost.
Well, it happened.
Get lost?
Oh, really?
Because my mother, yes, my mother Knocked on my bedroom door and it scared the bejesus out of me and I'm because I was inside the mirror Maybe that's the only reason you're here right now.
Well half of me was for many years, but I had an alchemical regression To retrieve that girl that I left the living daylights.
I call her in the mirror because when my mom knocked on on my door I I, of course, right away answered her, but I got out, and the other part of me didn't.
Wow.
You know what I mean?
Yes, I do.
I just said, my fear would be that I'd get, you know, once you're two or three images deep, if you could really travel within, you would never know what you were looking back at, and unless you were at that first same image looking at yourself you couldn't step back through you'd be stuck forever and and oh my well it was really strange because I started having in this life I started I started having I started finding shiny things everywhere all of a sudden and it didn't make any sense to me and I I was born psychic so I'm used to dealing with paranormal things but this was
Out of the ordinary.
And this is what led me to the alchemical regression is that these shiny things kept appearing and I could not... You mean you had somebody give you drugs?
No, no, no.
No.
It was more like, okay, I've been working this lifetime on spiritual attainment or progression.
Listen, we're about out of time.
So what kind of regression was it?
Well, it was more like hypnosis.
Okay, well, yes, you can be regressed hypnotically.
Listen, I'm sorry, we've got to go.
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Can you walk into a mirror?
That's a pretty intriguing question.
What would happen if you did?
I can see the possibilities if you were able to do that.
I mean, after all, not just video but audio as well offers Uh, the infinites.
Have you ever, uh, have you ever played around with audio and echo?
It will echo infinitely until it becomes a solid, uh...
A white noise.
It will go so far, it will echo and echo and echo and echo and echo until it becomes nothing but white noise as occurs with a video camera and monitor or perhaps mirrors.
Anyway, coming up, Evelyn Paglini, if you'll just stay right where you are, a real witch.
Witchcraft. Oh, yeah.
left.
Oh, that evil witchcraft.
Parapsychologist Dr. Evelyn Paglini is one of the leading authorities on the occult and the supernatural in the United States.
She was born into a centuries-old family, practitioners of the occult.
At the age of four, her grandfather began to train her in natural magic.
That's an interesting phrase, too, natural magic, huh?
Is that ungodlike?
We're going to ask about that.
In 1972, she founded the International Psychic Center, a research investigation organization, and has been called upon by an expert law enforcement agency.
Actually, agencies of various sorts.
She has set precedent in the Texas court system on child abuse cases with ritual overtones, worked with law enforcement on missing persons, murder cases involving the occult and supernatural, with over 40 years now in the occult and supernatural.
Dr. Paglini has affiliated herself with a number of stellar organizations that complement her work.
A graduate from the Chicago Institute of Hypnosis, she became part of a regression team founded by Dr. J. Allen Hynek, you know him, of Project Blue Book fame.
She studied and was tested, she was tested, at the Foundation for the Research Of the nature of man at Duke University with Dr. J. B. Rhine, Dr. Helmut Schmidt, and Dr. J. Levy.
You know those names.
Dr. Paglini clearly is gifted with many unusual and powerful talents, has helped celebrities, CEOs, stockbrokers, institutions, and the general public obtain their goals.
That's interesting, isn't it?
Celebrities, CEOs, stockbrokers, institutions, and the general public attain their goals.
Material stuff, right?
Today, many continue to learn the power of natural magic through her seminars, symposiums, workshops, and intensive audio tapes.
Here is Dr. Baglini.
Hi, Doctor.
Welcome.
Well, thank you so much for having me back, Art.
I will always have you back, Evelyn.
Um, Evelyn, I got an email earlier today, calling me, saying that, you know, I'm a listener usually, but tonight you're going to have a witch on, and I've come to the conclusion that you're a godless man, and I shall not listen.
Blah, blah, blah, you know, let me have it.
And it started me thinking, let's talk about that for a second.
Witchcraft, the craft, whatever you want to call it, is it Godless?
Oh, absolutely not.
No, huh?
No.
Natural magic is not godless?
All things come from God.
And when I try to get people into the oneness of nature and the elements, it is the God force that they are tapping into beside the divine spike within themselves.
Well, it is a force, that's for sure.
That much I believe.
It's certainly a force.
And you really think it's connected to God in some way?
I know it is.
You know it is.
Well, you know, fundamentalist Christians would say, well, you know what they would say, I don't have to tell you, and they would say that unless it's laid out in the Bible, it ain't so.
And what you're doing is godless.
Well, that's their misinterpretation, and I can understand that only because they have not really experienced or been exposed to it.
Most of the time it has been remained secret.
They did not want to give the power to the average person out there.
And so if you instill fear...
People will remove themselves from it.
Alright, well here's a good one for you then, Evelyn.
If that's true, then at the highest pinnacles of various religions, let's take Catholicism because it's one of the biggies, right?
For the West here anyway.
When you look at Rome, and the Pope, and the Vatican, and the secret knowledge that the Vatican may have squirreled away somewhere, would you think that By the time you get to be Pope or very high in the Catholic Church, you become aware that magic is real.
Absolutely.
You think there are documents and there is proof and that they understand at the high levels of the Vatican that it's real?
Oh, I know that they do.
And they've also performed ritual in order to, let's say, evoke or to summon Yes, they're very aware of magic, as most religions and most cultures out there, because magic is universal.
Well, the Catholic Church is full of very beautiful ritual, really, isn't it?
Most religions are.
But, I mean, up there at the high levels.
Yes, they do perform ceremonial magic.
You think in secret, inside the Vatican?
Yes, absolutely.
And that's been attested to.
In fact, I believe Father Malachi Martin mentioned it.
He certainly did.
I was going to mention that if you hadn't.
So, yes, he certainly did.
Only, he, of course, ascribed it to not just the practice of natural magic, but... No, he was going toward the dark side.
And naturally, when you get into magic, you are going to be faced.
Once you gain knowledge, Art, you gain power.
What I'm trying to do is give the power to the people.
In other words, put it in their own hands.
Because it has always remained in particular societies or traditions, and they would not allow this kind of knowledge out.
It's time for everybody to be able to tap into their own talent, their own resources, as well as to use, like I said, the natural forces, vibrations, and energies to achieve desired goals.
You mean like material goals, don't you?
Not just material goals, but I think that... Well, yeah, but here it clearly says, who have you talked to?
Let's see, celebrities, CEOs, stockbrokers, institutions, and the general public, and their goals.
Now, what's a stockbroker's goal going to be?
What's a CEO's goal going to be?
Usually it's going to be success, prosperity, better business, fame, fortune.
Yeah, that's fairly material.
Absolutely.
And to gain a person's respect.
okay in magic you have to show them results here on the physical plane
once they see that that can be accomplished with time patience energy and discipline
they're gonna go forward that's when the spirituality really starts taking hold
you see such a person as you describe
might have been described by father malachi martin as one of those
perfectly possessed people that he spoke of
You know, the people he could pass on the street and he knew when he looked into their eyes they had made their deal.
Oh yes.
Many of them, he said, were very successful CEOs.
Same kind of group of people you're talking about right now.
He called them the perfectly possessed.
They'd made their deal and they're having great success in this lifetime.
But what awaits them, according to the father?
Well, yes, because, see, they have chosen not to just help themselves and their family and their friends on a positive nature.
Instead, they have been using the power to manipulate, to subjugate, and the greed steps in where they want to control.
Yes, they have made a deal, but that doesn't mean that the magic was bad.
It meant that the person using the knowledge Their intent was on the dark side.
But the magic is neutral.
It's like a gun.
You don't give a gun, okay, to a child, a five-year-old.
Because they don't understand it.
They don't understand the power of it.
That's right.
Once you understand the power, certainly there's choices to be made.
Well, I agree with that.
Wholeheartedly.
And so...
There is the very negative side.
We've talked about, of course, before here, right?
Yes, we have.
So that exists, co-exists, hand-in-hand with the brighter side.
And so there is a godly way to manipulate material things in our real world.
That's what you maintain, right?
Yes.
For a positive outcome.
Where it is not harming, but helping others.
But then, of course, there is the choice, because with that same knowledge... But how does that happen, Evelyn?
Let's say I were to come to you, and I would say, look, I've worked my way up in the company, the corporation that I'm in right now.
I want to be CEO of this corporation.
Presumably, you would find a way to help me out, or you would know of a way I... I would design a ritual that would attract to you The opportunities, colleagues, contacts, and conduits that would help you achieve that goal.
I would also show you how to remove any obstacle.
Well, okay, so then here we are.
In achieving that goal, I would have to walk over quite a number of bodies.
Not necessarily.
Well, for my good fortune, somebody else who is expecting or hoping for that same good fortune would not have it.
Correct.
That is correct.
It gives you the edge.
It certainly does.
So, you know, arguably then, I'm not sure that fits in with the pure godly way because you're going to go tromping over some people to get where you want to go and there's going to be some negative effects.
But again, see, you don't have to tromp over a person.
What you can do is open a door for them to find something That is going to be very satisfying, very rewarding, helping them achieve their goals.
Send them across town to work for another corporation, something like that.
Or to open up another avenue, another department.
Well, when you lose a job frequently, people say, well, you know, one door closes, another door opens.
That's right, and we show you how.
We're just leading them to the door.
No, you send them on their way, but you send them on their way in a positive action.
Where the grass is going to be greener for them.
Where they're going to achieve better heights.
Maybe even with a golden parachute.
Absolutely.
All right.
A lady called just before the top of the hour, and I know you heard her.
Tonight we're going to talk some about mirrors.
God, that got my imagination going.
She said she had arranged some mirrors so that she was looking essentially into the infinite at herself.
Oh man, she said that in essence she walked into one of the images and then had the opportunity to begin to explore the various images and the first thing that popped into my mind was You could get in there and you could get lost.
You could get into literally infinity and get lost.
Your image returning to you would be everywhere.
And the moment you stepped away from the second or third image, you could be lost essentially in infinity.
I don't know where you'd be.
First of all, Evelyn, is it possible for somebody to literally step into an image?
Oh yes, in fact, When you are using it as an aid for astral projection, this is what I would teach.
For you to be able to go into a mirror and through that to be able to go into other dimensions and other realities.
Well, perhaps we should back up from here.
First of all, why is there... what is mirror magic?
What is it about a mirror that has qualities that Are attached to things that many of us think is abnormal.
What is it about mirrors, Evelyn?
Well, first of all, anything that has a reflective surface can be used for mirror magic.
Like a pond?
Absolutely.
Water, oil.
Remember when she said that she was finding everything shiny?
Yes, I do.
Okay, anything that is bronze, silver, anything that is of a polished nature can be used for mirror magic.
Glass, crystals, can be used for mirror magic.
And I'm planting a little seed here because as we go along you're going to understand that when you're dealing with mirror magic it is a portal.
It is a gateway, a doorway, it's like the Stargate.
I knew it.
And so with the trained mind, with the disciplined mind, and with the understanding of meditation and visualization it is unlimited.
Unlimited?
Unlimited.
You can use it.
Now, another lady had talked about the dark mirror.
Yes.
Okay, we're going to talk about scrying and the black mirror.
That's called the personal magic mirror, where you're going to use it for divination, to look into the past, the present, and the future.
But you have mirrors that you can use that are right around your house, and you can use them of a positive nature.
Then you can also get involved With the black mirror, the scrying mirror, and that's one that you really have to do, you know, with a full moon dedication, a chant, and after you have done that, now you're going to be able to use it for the past, the present, and the future.
But then there's another group of mirrors, and those are the ones that I love to play with, and they're called the worker mirrors.
What are those?
Well, those are mirrors that after you have taken them out, and again, the full moon, A dedication and a consecration.
You are able to use these mirrors in different avenues.
For health.
Okay, to work on a malfunction or disorder within the body.
To change your appearance.
Absolutely, to work on your form.
To work on, let's say, your wrinkles, your bulges, your stamina, your strength.
Also, you can definitely Use it in past lives.
You can use it to influence others.
Not only around you, but in other areas, other states, other countries.
You can use it for protection.
Not only protection of yourself and others, but protection of your environment and your home.
You can use it to remove evil.
You can use it for spirit communication.
And we haven't gotten into familiars and thought forms.
And shadow people, yes.
Oh, shadow people.
Mm-hmm.
You're going to find out at the end when we open up the lines.
I'd love your audience to call in and explain the experiences they have had around mirrors and around glass.
I know.
And see how many beings, deities, spirits have been seen in the vicinity of Mirrors and glass, and that which is polished.
Again, because it's some sort of portal.
It's some kind of opening.
A mirror is a particularly efficient way to render this.
In other words, it's polished.
It's intended to reflect image beyond that of a pond or a piece of metal or anything, even a crystal for that matter.
A mirror is Fully intended to reflect inaccurate rendering, yes?
Yes.
That's why it's such an ancient and powerful technique.
I mean, Catherine de' Medici used her magic mirror in order for her to understand what was going on in her 6th century.
Now, it was taken from the Louvre.
I would like to know who's using it now.
Your Hindus and your Chinese used your polished bronze.
In order for their magic mirrors.
So in every culture they have used it.
You can take an innocent child, give them a mirror, and because they can go into an altered state of consciousness, they can use their alpha brainwave rhythm, they are able to perceive not only scenes and images, but they can also receive spirit communication through mirrors.
More easily than adults?
Oh, much more easily.
Much more easily.
I believe that.
Hold on, everyone.
There's something about the unmanaged mind.
In other words, as we grow and we're told certain things are not possible and silly and ridiculous and don't even think about them.
Kind of like Peter Pan, right?
Some of you out there, I know, you never fully grow up.
That may be a good thing.
Or not, for functioning in the world.
But for those who don't fully grow up like Peter Pan, you can still indulge seeing things in mirrors that others might not see.
From the high desert, I'm Art Bell, with Evelyn Paglini, one of our nation's leading parapsychologists, witch-type persons.
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Look.
Seven horses, right?
Right on the mark.
Just like those little balls that popped up in that machine in the New York State lottery the other day on 911.
911.
9-1-1.
Just like that.
Coincidence?
I don't think so.
All right.
You know, I think we might have missed something there.
I'm not really sure.
I'll have to check into it.
It's interesting.
Yeah, we did miss something.
Alright, well, later.
Later for it.
Evelyn, welcome back.
I'm here.
Okay, good.
Evelyn, I'm sitting here contemplating actually walking into a mirror, or walking into several.
Would you have to set up In order to actually get to this point, assuming that you could, that you've got it in you, would that require multiple mirrors?
Would that be of assistance, or could it be done with one?
It can be done with one, and what I would prefer is a person using either a full-length mirror or one that is either 30 to 36 inches.
They should do it in a darkened room.
They should have a white, large candle.
that is reflected in the mirror and they should be sitting where they are not reflected in the mirror.
Also another technique that can be used is let's say you find a painting or a drawing or a picture that you find a scene or a temple or something that you would like to use as the scene that you want to go into, you can have that reflected in the mirror.
And then you can walk into that scene.
Now that scene, once you walk into it, is going to come alive.
And that's just one aspect.
Like Christopher Reeves in Somewhere in Time.
Yes.
Like Alice Through the Looking Glass.
Oh my.
And then some.
I mean, that's only the tip of the iceberg.
You know, this sounds like lunacy to a lot of people.
You can walk into a scene.
But what about I mean, what has to be done?
What mental preparation?
You have to have a trained mind.
If you are not proficient at meditation and visualization, then you don't have a foundation.
Don't you almost have to be... I was joking around.
I said Peter Pan.
You almost have to be Peter Pan, don't you?
In other words, you've got to be somebody who never fully has grown up or somebody whose mind is open to this really being the truth for it to be so.
If you can slow your brainwave frequencies, we have 21 brainwave frequencies.
We have beta, alpha, theta, delta.
When you put yourself into a meditative state, you're into an altered state of consciousness.
So you've got to be in an altered state?
Yes.
And once you are in an altered state of consciousness, now you are able to go into other dimensions and other realities.
And you are able to communicate with spirit.
I mean, I listen to somebody like you talking about alternate dimensions and realities, and somebody like Dr. Michio Kaku out on the cutting edge of theoretical physics, who talked last night about the exact same thing, Evelyn, only he considers the probability that science Well, science is catching up, but the traditions of all cultures have known this for thousands of years.
But when the scientists finally get all the way caught up, are they, instead of using their machines, perhaps, will they attain, do you think, the ability to do what you're doing now with some kind of machine?
Yes.
Yes, they will, but there will not be the spirituality.
There will not be the balance and the foundation, and I'd be worried about it.
But what if that means that the spirituality aspect of it is unnecessary?
That there are alternate realities, and you may be reaching it through one means, but that's not the only means, and you can reach it and accomplish things with the quote, machine.
And again, without balance, you're going to have cynicism.
People will be sinister.
People will have the greed.
They will manipulate.
I see.
Again, it's the foundation that you need in magic because the power is so great.
When you were doing your experiments with the collective consciousness of your audience, you saw the power demonstrated.
It scared the hell out of me.
It's awesome!
Yeah, it is.
If you do not know how to bind down the action not wanted, then you're going to get more than you bargained for.
Because what you don't understand is you are opening up portals, and they go both ways.
I asked, uh, Dr. Mitchell... Not only are you going in, honey, something's coming out!
I hear ya.
I asked Dr. Kaku last night, uh, how much coincidence he believes in, told him about the New York State Lottery, you know?
Uh, on 9-11, the anniversary thereof, New York State Lottery pops up three little balls, 9-1-1.
What are the odds?
Infinite.
Is that more likely a demonstration of mass consciousness?
Of course.
Absolutely.
Then it is coincidence?
Yeah, I'd say so.
I'd definitely say so.
Of millions of minds affecting a machine, a machine designed to be random otherwise.
In the 70s, the early 70s, at Duke University Foundation for the Research on the Nature of Man, Dr. Helmut Schmidt, was a pioneer in the random number generator and the random light generator.
He's one of the men who tested you, right?
That is correct.
We were doing that as well as what is now known to be remote viewing then, the early seventies.
Parapsychology, the name, wasn't even formed.
In fact, Dr. J.B.
Ryan coined the phrase extrasensory perception.
And the reason why I went there is because I had to have a better understanding scientifically
of my talent, of what was going on, the changes that I was able to affect by using the traditions
that I was taught, by calling down a cone of power, by tapping into the elements of
earth, air, fire, and water, and using their forces, energies, and vibrations, and using
mirror magic in order to effectuate a change.
Rick in Eugene, Oregon, fast blast me.
Does Evelyn not realize how dangerous it is playing with these forces?
Christians don't misinterpret.
We heed the God that she doesn't.
Well, first of all, yes, I do realize the danger and that's why each and every time I have been on the show I have always insisted on people doing the research, the investigation, and To find the balance.
To learn the tradition.
Because yes, power is dangerous.
Kent in Hercules, California says mirrors and stepping into them is another description of using the psychomandium.
You know what was described by Raymond Moody.
So you're not alone in this whole mirror thing.
Raymond Moody used mirrors very prominently in his ability to get people scientific measurements and all the rest of it to talk to dead relatives.
That is correct.
I said spirit communication.
Do you know without going through what we call the magic mirror and the worker mirrors and those setups which I'd like to talk about later.
Yes.
You can use the mirrors in your home like your bathroom mirror.
Close the door.
Close your windows.
Run your shower.
Let your mirrors get fogged up.
Really?
Bring an article of clothing or a picture or something that has belonged to a person that has passed on that you would like to have communication with.
Wow.
And you are going to be able to call in that spirit and it will leave you messages on the mirror.
If you have a home that you feel there is a presence in, whether it is a negative or a positive one, again a mirror is a very good use of communication with that spirit.
And that's only one aspect.
I'm not sure if I'd try that or not.
Fog, in other words, go into the bathroom, close the windows, turn on the shower, let the mirror fog up, have with you an article of clothing... Close the door.
...that was passed on, and expect a message in the mirror from that person.
Oh, yes.
There are colleagues of mine... In what kind of form?
You mean a written message?
A written message on the mirror, yes.
Oh, really?
Yes.
And there are friends of mine also who have gone into and taken a shower when they've come out
have had mirrors messages left or they have gotten let's say an image in a mirror and then
have gained insight later during the day to give them the answer to a
situation or a problem that they had
Mirror magic can be used in so many ways I can imagine getting out of a shower looking in the mirror
and seeing a message that says put the top back on the damn toothpaste
Could be.
And I know who to be coming from, too.
But the only 15% is here in the physical.
85% is in the astral.
But what the 15% that you can use right here is just tremendous.
Health and well-being and happiness can be enhanced By using the mirror and the mirror of the mind in order to work on rebuilding, revitalizing, and rejuvenating the body.
That seems a moral goal.
Yes.
In other words, health for yourself seems a reasonable thing to try and attain and a thinner, more reasonable body and whatever all.
And if you want, you can also use it for past lives.
And this will help you not only understand what you're going through in this life, but will also help you to understand why you repeat certain patterns and keep also meeting certain people.
And so the technique of going into your past lives, especially if you take your time and you practice and you keep a journal, you're going to gain tremendous insight into your past lives.
You can also use it to influence other people.
Again, not only within your own environment, your own home, but across the country.
And that's through mirrors.
Why do mirrors have all these properties?
Do you know?
Because what it does is it is able to fix the mind.
And the mind, the untapped ability of the mind is unfathomable.
We only use one-tenth of one percent of our brain capacity.
The greatest frontier is the mind.
It's not space.
And once we have tapped the abilities that we have within our mind, it is awesome.
And so on a personal level, somehow or another, The mirror unlocks a part of the mind that we're now not using consciously, or what?
Yes, that's exactly what it does.
It makes you able to communicate with the spirit within, and then with the spirit of the divine.
With that, you are able to go into other dimensions and other realities.
You are able to communicate with other beings.
You're going to interact with other beings and you can influence them on their level.
You can ask for their guidance and assistance in helping you in your magical works and you can also affect you a change in the physical plane.
That's one hell of a lot to ask a novice at Mirrors to endeavor to do.
Now a lot of people listening tonight really are probably going to try this out or some portion of it for themselves and It sounds to me like there are inherent dangers, and I would like to know what they are.
Alright, the inherent dangers are, first of all, again, you have to have the foundation.
Second of all, you should protect yourself.
When you are going to be doing your dedication and your consecration of your mirrors, okay, they have got to be done professionally, positively, calling down, okay, a cone of power, doing a dedication, Putting in a binding action, putting in protection.
This is beginning to sound very complicated.
I mean, you know, be careful with your mirrors otherwise.
Absolutely!
There's a lot here to do before you're going to be doing it with some measure of safety.
That is correct.
If you're going to be using it on an occult fashion, if you're going to be using it, as I mentioned, on health and healing, if you're going to be using it for light spirit communication, And for removing negativity or evil, then you don't have to go through the process.
But if you're going to be using it as a scrying mirror or a worker mirror where, let's say you're going to create a familiar or a thought form.
Wait, wait, wait.
What does that mean, worker mirror?
A worker mirror is, you are going to give it an assignment.
That assignment may be, I want This mirror that is going to be facing my front door is going to be my protection.
My shield of protection where it is going to repel all negativity and evil.
Or I'm going to put two mirrors across from each other and therefore I am going to have a mirrors that are going to be reflective of each other and anything that passes through it that has a negative influence is going to be absorbed.
I'm going to put a mirror, let's say, in another room of the house.
The government, even our airports could use those.
Absolutely.
And you could put a mirror in another room of the house where, let's say you want to bring more peace, love, harmony, stability within the room of one of your children.
Right.
So you can have an influence that the mirror can affect.
Or let's say I want to use it for astral projection.
And I want to go and visit my Aunt Edna, and I want to verify what she's doing, and when I come back I give her a call.
All of these things can be done without crossing into the occult aspect.
Once you cross into the occult aspect, now you're going to get a little bit more involved.
Alright, but suppose you do, and that's what you want to do, is cross into the occult aspect.
Where can you become learned?
In the specific things you've got to do, so you don't screw up.
Okay, that's why I thought this was such a fantastic topic that you chose, Art, because there is so little known out there.
Right, exactly.
And what the person should do first, and that is, let's say they're going to be doing a scrying mirror, and that's the black mirror, one for past, present, and future.
They're going to go out and they're going to look for a mirror, and that can be Oh, anyway from, let's say, 8 inches to maybe 13 inches.
Yes.
And it should be circular.
Sometimes you are able to purchase a scrying mirror.
Other people will go shopping and find that mirror, let's say, that talks to them.
What is the difference between a regular mirror and a scrying mirror?
You say dark.
What do you mean dark?
In other words, what do you have to do to make A mirror that is not yet a scrying mirror.
A scrying mirror.
What you're going to do is take a mirror and the back of it.
Alright?
You are going to use black enamel paint.
And you're going to put several coats on it.
You're also going to establish a link between the... Wait, wait, wait, Evelyn.
Wait.
Pardon me?
The back of a mirror right now has the reflective surface on it.
Do you take that off and replace it with the black No.
You don't.
So you just add?
You add two or three coats of black enamel paint.
Okay.
And you're going to establish a link with it between you and it.
And therefore, some people will add, let's say, a couple of drops of blood.
Blood.
Others will take a couple of strands of their hair and they will also infuse that in the back of the mirror.
Okay.
Then, once that has dried, they're going to put Their frame around it now some people after they have cleansed the mirror first Okay, and have cleansed the frame Then what they are going to do is maybe put some sigils they may put I'm sorry what they may put a sigil or a seal of an entity or a spirit they may put the planets the zodiac signs there are specific
keys, the Enochian keys or angelic sigils or seals that they will put on the frame.
Okay.
They will definitely anoint it and then they will take it to a full moon like we're having on the 22nd.
Yeah, this is Friday the 13th by the way.
That's correct.
Good day for you.
Pardon me?
Good day for you.
Oh, absolutely.
A full moon though, huh?
Yeah.
A full moon, and what you're going to do is you are going to allow it to stay in the rays of the moon for a specific length of time.
Then you're going to anoint it, dedicate it, and consecrate it, either to, let's say, the goddess Diana, or to one of the elders, or the old ones, or a particular spirit or entity that you're going to be using the mirror for.
Once that is done, you're going to bring it in I would always suggest people that they would use a black silk cloth that they are going to put their mirror in, because it is never going to see the light of day.
You know, back in the 1800s, Evelyn, you'd be at a stake yelping.
I know.
That's why it's taken years for people like myself to share the knowledge with others.
We try to expose it step by step.
So that they gain the knowledge and they gain the understanding and the power on a very slow basis so they have that foundation that I need them to have.
That balance has got to be there.
Because they're going to move from that into other things.
Once you realize, Art, that it is a gateway and a portal... That it's all... Once you realize it's all real... Hold on, Evelyn.
Yeah.
Once you know it's all real, then there are, pardon the pun, infinite possibilities open to you.
But you have to wonder where you're headed with it all, and I do wonder about that aspect of it.
Definitely, as I listen, there's no question about it.
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Evelyn, welcome back.
Thank you, Henry.
We're giving some people some pretty specific information on how to do information on this.
I've got a question for you from Kevin Webb in Fairbanks, Alaska.
I've been told it's very important that you keep mirror glass in your house clean so that they don't collect energy that you might not desire.
Is that true?
Absolutely right.
What a wonderful question.
Really?
First of all, I would suggest people definitely keep their mirrors cleaned and Please understand the way I'm going to say this, because we are going to get into the darker side of this use of mirror magic.
If they can, I would also like to see them do an anointing or a blessing, so that the mirrors in their home are not going to be used for portals, so that there is energies, forces, or beings that can come through.
Like the shadow people that perhaps we speak of on this program.
Or like the thought forms and familiars that can be created and sent to you through mirrors.
Can we get into this shadow people thing on my program a year ago or so, and I know I've had, Evelyn, I swear to you this is a truth, and everybody else's name too, I've had 10, 20,000 serious emails from people who have seen these creatures, whatever in the hell they are, these shadow beings, I've never seen a response like this on any subject ever in my entire life and all the years that I've been doing talk radio it was like a landslide of public oh my god I've had this experience I've seen these creatures whatever they are and you really think that the mirrors have something to do with how they perhaps come and go?
They are also accessibility glass and mirrors and anything that is a reflective surface or polished Can be used for a doorway, for a portal, yes?
That's why I said you can find out through your audience how many people have seen beings, entities, spirits, and shadow people.
I already have found that.
I mean, I know that for sure.
Enormous amount.
And they never made the connection.
I never made the connection until BOOM!
It was just like that.
BOOM!
And it was realized this is a real phenomena and it's definitely connected to another dimension which you're suggesting.
There's a gateway, a portal where they are able to access our dimension, our plane of existence, just as we, the practitioner, are able to access theirs.
It's a two-way street.
You mentioned the dark side of mirror magic.
Let's rock, Evelyn.
What's the dark side?
Well, it is also used in spell casting.
Oh?
And we touched upon it briefly when we were talking a little bit about astral projection, which is a marvelous way, okay, for you to be able to go anywhere and experience anything.
And I love the ability of astral projection.
Especially when you learn how to control it.
Well, you know, the people I've had on, many, many on astral projection, boy, I've had a lineup of people guess.
They all say nothing, A, nothing can go wrong, and B, you can't do anything negative when you astrally project.
If you are in that dimension, okay, of the astral plane, but once you start going into other dimensions and other planes of existence, not only can you effectuate change there, And also, you can have an extremely unpleasant experience.
In other words, the other side of the mirror isn't always Disneyland.
Oh, absolutely not.
And see, those practitioners who have perfected mirror magic, what they are going to be using is certain worker mirrors, and those worker mirrors are going to be used to say, let me say I want to come and spy on you.
I want to come and influence an energy In your thinking, your habits, okay, or let's say even your body, then I can use the portal of a mirror to send a thought form or a familiar that I have created to you.
Whether you're at home, whether you're at work, whether wherever you are at, as long as I have glass, and as long as I have a mirror, Or as long as I have a reflective surface, I have a portal.
And so with that, you're telling me you can influence people to do things or change the way they are?
That is correct.
Whether they like it or not?
That is correct.
I said there was a... Okay then, okay then, okay then, Ann Marie in Daly City, California asks, could a group of people Working with mirrors?
Influence world leaders to work for peace and harmony instead of the war thing?
Or, you know, in other words, something at that level.
Yes, yes.
The answer to that is yes, Evelyn.
Now, there's two ways of going about it.
Our government actually is aware that political people could be influenced in such a manner.
Why wouldn't the government be burning people like you at the stake?
Well, first of all, they're not aware.
Well, that's a good start.
Okay, they're now catching on.
They're now being exposed to it because of shows like you.
Five, six years ago, this was not even a subject that could be discussed.
I know.
We have opened this up over the years very gingerly.
Yes.
To give people the power and the knowledge in their own hands to use it for their betterment.
Yes, there is a sinister side.
I will always tell you that side.
Because it does exist and there are people out there who are excellent practitioners at it, who are manipulating forces, energy, and people.
And one of the uses is through mirrors.
And most voters feel so powerless.
Here's a way to get the power, folks.
Yeah, here's how you can get the power back.
See, right now you're unsuspecting and therefore easily victimized.
You do not understand that this power exists.
And so if you're introduced to it on the physical level where you can use it to benefit yourself, which is what we started with, then later as you become more of a practitioner, more adept, then you're going to go into those other realms, other dimensions.
But by now you've gotten the foundation.
Now you're ready to take on what you're going to be able to use, and you're going to have a choice.
Well, give me a good example of a serious negative use of this ability.
If I wanted to take and take a person and let's say bring them down, now I can bring them down on a financial basis, a physical basis, a romantic, emotional, etc.
I can use the mirror, a photograph, an article of clothing, which is called imitative and sympathetic magic.
Right.
And what I can do is I can turn it in on themselves.
You can ruin that person.
That is correct.
And the implications for you?
Well, of course I'm going to pay the price if I don't have justification, but there are people out there that are willing to pay the price.
They have the knowledge, they have the power, and you're standing in their way.
There's people out there willing to blow up themselves to kill others to pay the price.
They're martyrs and they're all over the place, so that's for sure.
Yes, and anybody that gets into magic is going to be tested, and there are those people who are willing to take the power and use it.
Negatively.
But what I'm trying to do is level the playing field.
Give enough knowledge and power into the people so that they can at least learn how to put up a shield of protection.
Understand that there is energies and forces out there that can come through portals.
So here's how you change that.
Here's how you protect yourself.
Here's how you can remove an evil or a negativity.
How you can put up a block.
I'm curious about something, Evelyn.
something in all the years you've been in this world that you're in that i know that you're in
many times have you had to go to the negative side
and fight a battle
and i'm a spiritual warrior and that's what i do
you.
When I discuss Worker Mirrors, I am giving you insight into secrets that have been used for thousands of years.
I go into the interdimensions.
I go into the astral plane.
I bring in the elementals and I use force against force.
So reading not too much between the lines here, the answer must be a lot, or a lot of times.
That's my world, Art.
Your world, yeah, I know.
My world is like nothing people can imagine.
It's the real truth.
It is the real truth.
It always has been.
There have always been secret societies, traditions, Since the beginning of time, and they have access to power.
Well, there's an interesting one.
All these secret societies that exist, do many of them, Evelyn, ultimately have some part of the puzzle, some ritual that they've discovered that the societies formed around that really does work?
And is known to those at the top, the very top of those societies and it's the glue that holds them together.
It is the glue that holds them together because it is ancient proven mysteries.
It is forces and techniques, beings and entities that you can call upon and that you can use and manipulate.
I always said that the goal, that the nectar of the gods is blood.
You know, I've always known, Evelyn, that you knew so much more than you've said on the radio.
During all the interviews that we've done, we've sort of taken steps into these areas and then sort of withdrawn from it and, you know, it's kind of like you're giving us a little piece at a time, but my general overall impression is that you're into some pretty rough stuff from a witch's point of view.
Yes, I am.
And you have gotten more out of me than anybody else has.
Because I wanted to share this knowledge.
I wanted to give the opportunity for people to, like I said, take it and own it themselves.
Knowledge is knowledge owned.
Yeah, but this has been kept secret for so long.
Why do you think it's appropriate now?
Because we are lifting our level of awareness.
We have the veil being lifted.
Our intuition, our psyche is going into another vibration.
We are now going into spirituality.
We are going to achieve the oneness with nature and the elements.
And there must be a balance there.
Because there are people out there that for centuries have been using this power and knowledge in order to control, to manipulate, to subjugate, and to kill other people.
And now they're not going to have it as easy.
The average person just cannot imagine that this entire world coexists with their world.
That these things are going on.
That people are being manipulated.
People are being killed.
People are occasionally being healed.
But there's this great dark side at work out there.
Father Malachi Martin knew it.
He said it all the time.
You're saying it from another sort of point of view here but saying the same thing virtually that it does exist and it's raging right alongside the normal world and so telling these secrets I guess from your point of view I can see your point of view that it's time that everybody began to grasp the power that in some cases is being used against them yes at least learn how to put up some protection at least be aware when you are the victim of it
As long as you are unsuspecting, as long as you remain ignorant, then they have the upper hand.
Hey, alright, well this is a big question, and it relates to, no doubt, you know, calls we'll get or messages I'll get.
People who say, aren't, maybe it's me, I've been a no luck person all my life, everything I do turns to poop.
You know, I just, my marriage, my personal life, my job, my career, my Every aspect of my life is sour and wrong, and many of them believe that something like you're talking about has been, you know, a spell or whatever has been cast on them.
They're not all wrong.
No, they're not.
Now, you can have a negative cycle, but a negative cycle usually doesn't hit you in all aspects and has a time limit.
But once someone has cast a spell on you, And things are going wrong and they continue to go wrong.
Right.
Then what you need to do is a cleansing.
And even if you don't know who the person that is sending this negativity to you, you can still do a reversal where that person who is doing the sending is going to get it back.
Alright, well here's a question you might want to struggle with a little bit.
The average listener out there right now, let's say they buy into this generally, if somebody with your talent, Evelyn, were going after somebody out in this audience in a negative manner, if you set out to go after somebody in this audience, an amateur, somebody who perhaps believes but doesn't know what the hell they're doing really, that'd be the average listener tonight.
If you went after them, could they prevent you from coming after them or would you get them?
Okay, if they...
You're talking that I don't have no justification?
Well, I don't care either way.
My question is, somebody with my talent, I would suggest they call a priest, a rabbi, a shaman, and get everything that they can because, honey, they're mine.
That's what I thought.
They're mine.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
In other words, truth be known, if you're going to go play in somebody's pool, you better know what you're stepping into.
In your audience you can have them either contact you or call you.
They have felt my presence when they are doing rituals.
I have been there in spirit giving them energy and giving them power and helping them when they are doing their rituals.
That's a pretty serious claim.
That's why I said it.
It'll prove it to you.
You can take your spirit, your energy, your essence And you can bring it to another person.
And you can help them in their magical works.
You can also influence them.
That's what I keep trying to tell people.
There are practitioners out there that can use this on a negative basis.
And I would suggest they put up shields of protection.
But even at that, with what the average person can do, the real truth is, if somebody with your talents comes after them, they're toast.
Yeah, but let's say that there's not that many practitioners that are at that level.
Left alive.
You're talking many, many years.
Okay, hold on.
That was sort of a joke, left alive part.
You know, not burned.
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It hit me all of a sudden like a ton of bricks.
Art, you can do it right here.
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Oh, that was that weird.
That is so weird.
What I, what I was, here's what I was going to do.
I noticed that I could take my webcam and pull it off its stand where it would normally take a photograph of me and put it at the monitor.
And I could get this endless circle or a repetitive picture.
I mean, you truly could see infinity.
And so I snapped a webcam photo.
But what I got back had no reflection at all when it was sent.
So in other words, that feedback is not recordable.
I can't record that feedback.
That is so weird.
If you look at what I got, I went to all this trouble to do it, and I thought that I would be able to take a picture of those millions of repetitive images which I was seeing on the screen.
But when I took the picture, the only thing that I got was the webcam program on my computer and some weird reflections at the same time.
But there's no, it's like, there's no image there at all.
There's no... I don't understand how I got what I just got.
And that's because I'm not understanding the feedback process with regard to video and sending an image of this, I guess.
I'm not understanding that feedback process correctly.
This is really weird.
Okay, Evelyn, welcome back.
Thank you.
I tried to... That was so weird, Evelyn.
I was looking into Infinity, and I snapped the picture, and it got sent to the website, and when I got it, all I got was this blank program instead of the Infinity picture that I wanted to show people.
It's like, it wasn't even on.
Oh man, that's weird.
It's a dark matter.
I don't know.
Ah, gee.
Okay, where should we go from here?
I mean, we're sort of touching now on the dark side of witchcraft in general, and what can be done, and I don't know, some eyes out there I'm sure will be opened.
Even some Christian eyes out there will say, yeah, probably some of this is true.
What does it mean to me?
Well, first of all, when you're dealing with the dark side, if you wanted to send a negativity, a creative thought form, or a familiar, you're going to use the portals of the mirrors right within the premises.
Now, you can have that as an influence.
You can have that to make change in the environment or in a person.
And so therefore it's going to affect every person out there that is going to become a victim by a person that is a practitioner who's going to use the sinister side by calling in an entity or being by creating a thought form more familiar and sending it.
That's why when the man called earlier and he said, should you keep your mirrors clean?
Yes.
And you should use a glass cleaner, one with ammonia in it.
Because it removes, it dissolves all negativity.
You wouldn't use it if you were using it magically.
Because therefore you want to build up magic.
Unless you're using it in a magical way that is to remove evil and negativity.
Once you have completed that ritual, naturally you would cleanse it.
Somebody fast-blasting me from Denver asks, Scott asks, how did you come to choose your particular path, Evelyn?
In other words, in your case it was since you were... Hereditary.
Yeah, hereditary, okay.
I was initiated at the age of four and I have been a practitioner all of my life.
I was also raised Roman Catholic and I have no problem, okay, with both of them because I feel that, again, All things come from God and they are placed in our hands to use for the betterment of ourselves and our fellow man.
But we're going to be tested because there is power when you gain this knowledge.
And so by your intent is whether you're going to make it black or white.
Whether it's going to come from the dark side or is it going to come from light.
So take responsibility for your actions.
Okay, well, let's be clear on terms for a second.
Really clear on terms.
When you say the light side or the dark side, are we talking about God and Satan, or are we talking about simply a power that is?
I mean, should we leave God out on the top end and Satan out at the bottom end in our discussion of this, or not, Evelyn?
I feel that you have to bring in Satan, you have to bring in an evil being or deity because it does exist.
There has always been and always shall be a conflict between good and evil.
Yes.
So you have to give equal time to both.
But pushed right up to the corner in the back of the wall, back up against the wall, Evelyn, there is the God that the Christians know of and there is The Lucifer, the devil, that they're told about sometimes.
Yes.
These entities are real.
Yes, they are real.
So then, when you're calling on the dark side, You're in Satan's, you are in Satan's territory.
I mean, you're, you're, you're brushing shoulders there with Satan.
You are calling upon forces and then if you are calling in a specific entity or being that is known to be of the left-hand path, yes, that is what you are dealing with.
Then you are dealing with the dark forces.
If you are only calling on an elemental force, That is neutral.
You are the wielder of that force.
An elemental force is neutral.
That would be... Give me an example of elementals.
Okay, earth, air, fire, and water.
In fact, speaking of it, in your book, The Quickening, you have no idea how sure and right you are.
Because I have found that since March, The elements have been called into action and we are going to see all of these elements firing for at least the next 15 months.
So there's going to be so much destruction that is going to be called by the elements.
But when you are doing magic, you can call upon the forces of these elements.
And you can use their forces and vibrations in, like, say, binding down an action, or sending a spell through the air to its target, by using fire to dissolve or to destroy something, by controlling the emotions of love with water.
Again, you can use the elements.
They are in pure form.
That person, who wants to use it negatively, is going to use that same binding action of hers to stop you from gaining ground, from achieving a level.
Evelyn, I knew... When I wrote The Quickening, it was in knowing.
I just absolutely knew what our future was.
I knew that things were speeding up.
I knew that the weather was changing.
I knew That socially and spiritually and every aspect of human life was racing along at an exponentially increasing pace, and I just knew that in every fiber of my being, and that's why I wrote that book.
That's right, that you were sure.
But I don't know why.
It was that knowing.
It is that intuition.
Yeah, it's a knowing.
It's a knowing, but I don't know why I know.
Because our consciousness is being raised, because the veil is being lifted.
And so therefore, our perceptions have been broadened.
And the more we use our mind, the more we train and discipline the mind, the more accesses and possibilities that we are going to be able to use.
And again, I'm going to say, yes, you're going to have a choice.
Knowledge is power.
You're going to have to make a choice and take the responsibility for it.
Or is there a mixing of the two?
I mean, are there people who begin to get into this persuasion, the craft, and then actually move between the two forces?
Or is that like trying to be a double agent in order to get you burned or shot?
Both of the above.
I think most people are going to tread a fine line.
Yes.
And especially those people who are going to be influenced by, let's say, a society or a coven.
The solitary practitioner is not going to be exposed as easily and as readily, and so therefore may be able to build enough of a foundation so that that line can remain in balance.
What technically constitutes a coven?
Is it a gaggle of witches?
I mean, are there a lot of... First of all, what constitutes a coven?
Well, first of all, Covenant is going to be 12 individuals and either a High Priest or a High Priestess.
Well, at least 12.
How many Covenants do you think there are across our country?
Thousands.
Thousands of Covenants?
Yes, because you have different sects and you have different persuasions and traditions.
You have Covenants that may be dedicated to Diana, to Hecate, There is going to be the Saxon, the Gardnerian persuasion.
There are thousands of covens out there, as well as tens of thousands of solitary practitioners.
Most Americans wouldn't believe this.
Oh, I think they would now.
The last few years they are seeing the exposure, okay, of natural magic and shamanism, and those people that are going to strive for spirituality making themselves one with nature and the elements.
Well, Father Malachi Martin, when he was alive and on this program,
said that evil was increasing exponentially in the world.
He couldn't keep up with it. He used to name the number of exorcisms that went on in his region alone,
and it was up like 800%, 800%.
And, you know, to believe some of it, then maybe you've got to believe all of it.
And I wonder if Father Malachi Martin was talking about covens or...
Or some Covens.
I don't know.
He was talking about Covens.
He was talking about societies out there that have, again, been around for centuries.
And what they do is they definitely practice the dark side of magic.
And they are very proficient at it.
Because they have had those centuries where they have been so secret, where no one has known about them.
And so they have, let's say, fine-tuned their trade.
All right.
Look, I know that everybody will say, well, you know, everybody who comes on the show sells something.
They do.
People come on the program, sell books.
That's fine.
You know, that's how you get them on the program.
In your case, I happen to know that you sell, you supply, I guess would be the right word, and have long before you were ever on this program.
People who wish to begin to practice elements or aspects of the craft, you sell them things they will need to do that.
Props.
Tools.
Tools.
I have a catalog on your website.
Essential oils and other things needed for spells, even instructions on how to do all of this, right?
Yes, I do.
And I give it so that people can go into any metaphysical store, not just purchase it from me, but to go into any metaphysical store and know what they're asking for.
Know the herbs, the essential oils, the image candles, the colors, and what they're used for and how to use them.
So for those people who would like a catalog, for that information, I would love for them to write to me.
Okay, let's have an address.
If they would send $1 for postage and handling, they're going to get 10% off their first order.
Okay.
And they can send it to Peglini, P-A-G-L-I-N-I.
P-A-G-L-I-N-I.
At P.O.
Box 57932.
57932.
L-I-N-I at P.O. Box 57932 Sherman Oaks, two words, California.
Thank you.
Or they can call our 818.
Oh, 818?
7-8-3-2-9-9-5 and ask for Missy.
Missy.
If you can get through her, you can get to me.
Missy.
Oh, 818-783-2995 and ask for Missy.
Missy.
If you can get through her, you can get to me.
Missy.
So, the address is Paglini, P-A-G-L-I-N-I.
P-O-Y-N-I.
P.O.
Box 7 9 3 2.
57932. 57932.
Sherman Oaks, California.
I know some people in Sherman Oaks.
9 1 4 1 3.
And the phone number is area code 8 1 8 7 8 3 2 9 9 9.
Is that correct?
2 9 9 5.
29 95.
What the hell's the matter with me?
783-2999. Is that correct?
2995.
2995.
What the hell's the matter with me?
Oh, I see. I didn't make a good clear five.
783-2999.
783-29-2995 sounds like a price.
Yeah, I would like those people who are really going to get into the practice of magic to get a foundation and I'm going to recommend meditation and visualization.
If they want to have the basics of magic then I would suggest the day of magic.
Is it honestly possible And this is a really straight out question.
To change your life.
If you're not successful in love, in career, in life in general, can you begin to adopt the craft, learn the craft, and change your life completely?
Every aspect of your love life, your business life, your Satisfaction in life, your every aspect, whatever your material wants are, you can go after all of that with the craft?
Yes, you can.
Yes, you can.
And depending on the amount of energy and the desire and the necessity, and of course your willpower, you can achieve your desired goals in, I would have to say, almost every aspect.
Again, it depends on your level of desire.
Can it be done quickly?
There are some people who are going to gain immediate results, but when you're asking for the larger, bigger picture, the future that is extended, no, it's not going to be easy.
You're going to have to put in the time.
You're going to have to put in the discipline.
You have to know what you're doing.
You're not waving a magic wand.
You're manipulating forces and energies.
If you went to your pastor, your priest, whoever, and you told them the journey you were about to embark on into this area of natural magic, and you put it as softly as you could, what would you probably be told?
Well, they're going to be worried because, again, they know that as soon as you start gaining knowledge, you're going to be tested.
Because there's so much power there.
But in all probability, you wouldn't be told it's not real.
You'd just be told, beware.
It comes from the devil, and then you shouldn't touch it.
Oh, oh.
Again, they want to keep it away from you.
Unless you have a couple of priests that I had, like a Father Brocklow and a Father Pellicore.
They were fascinated with it.
They wanted to know more about it.
In fact, they started experimenting with it.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah.
I told you I was raised Roman Catholic.
I had a couple of wonderful priests.
Yes, but you didn't tell me you had a couple of priests who began experimenting with the craft, essentially, with natural magic.
Yeah.
Oh, yes.
When them and my grandfather got together, it became exciting.
Oh, that's incredible.
What was the ultimate outcome for them, career-wise?
Well, career-wise, they achieved the goals that they wanted to achieve, but quite honestly, what they were out to do was to effectuate change within the Diocese, and to effect change within their own territory, and that's what they really accomplished.
Holy mackerel!
I've never heard anything like that before!
That's incredible.
You'd be surprised how many people really got into magic.
Alright, hold it right there, Evelyn.
We're at the top of the hour.
We're going to open the phone lines for Evelyn Paglini coming up shortly.
Can you imagine that?
Two of the church.
Maybe they have.
mark bell season's don't feel the reaper
nor do the wind, the sun and the rain need a day off
so come on baby don't feel the reaper
baby take my hand don't feel the reaper
we'll be able to fly don't feel the reaper
baby I'm your man la la la la la la
la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la music playing...
music playing...
riders on the storm riders on the storm
into this house were born into this world were thrown
I'm going to go.
Like a dog without a bone, an actor out of rope, writers on the store.
There's a killer on the road, his brain is swerving like a toad.
Take a long holiday, let your children play.
If you give this man a ride, sweet family will die.
Killer on the road.
Yeah.
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There may be all kinds of killers out there on the road.
Maybe some of the ones you can't see or detect when they kill.
Maybe we're talking to one of them.
One of the Moonos.
Who knows that road, anyway.
Her name is Evelyn Paglini and she is a witch.
And we're going to... I have no idea what's going to happen with the phone lines.
But I want to open them and just see what happens.
So it's your opportunity to speak with a real witch.
That's all coming up if you'll stay right where you are.
Alright, back we are with the real McCoy, Evelyn Peglini, practicing the craft all her life.
life.
And I want to repeat the address and the phone number for those who did not get it.
She does supply the... What was it once somebody said?
The difference between men and animals is that we know how to accessorize.
Uh, that's the difference between man and animals.
We not accessorize.
Uh, so if you want some accessory, uh, you would write to Paglini P.O.
Box.
Gotta write, uh, 57932 Sherman Oaks, California, zip code 91413, or there is a phone number, 818, area code 818.
783-2995.
Right, Evelyn?
Correct.
Good.
You think that might be right, that the difference between men and animals is that man knows how to accessorize?
That also, it brings in vibrations that you can raise your consciousness with.
Excellent tools to work magic.
To work magic.
Yeah, because they all have a vibration.
They all have a force and an energy that you're tapping into.
All right.
Well, this is one of those kinds of programs that I think the public really needs to be in on.
I mean, they really, really, really want to talk to you.
And so here we go.
First time caller on line.
You are on the air with Evelyn Paglini.
Hello.
Hi.
Good evening.
Good evening.
Where are you?
I am in Florida.
Florida.
OK.
Yes.
Home of the weird weather and chemtrails.
Yep.
A lot of things these days.
What's up, sir?
I was wondering, doctor, are you familiar with Santeria?
Well, you probably are.
Yes, I am.
Okay.
I went to see my girlfriend at the time.
She's my ex-girlfriend.
I went to see a psychic.
I went to him a couple times, and the first time I saw him, he thought that I practiced black magic, which I have I have never, consciously.
My second visit he told me that I was a warlock in past lives.
And then he said that I had a demon that I was cursed with and that I would need a breaking or a cleansing.
And I was a little concerned because at first I didn't know that he was Uh, you know, Santerian.
It wasn't a religious thing.
And then it kind of turned into it.
Um, and my ex-girlfriend and her mom are just kind of a little following that he has, and it kind of freaks me out.
And some things that he said kind of hit nails on the head, but then other things, I, you know, I don't know if I should get like a second opinion.
Um, I don't know if If it's legit, I've also heard that usually that's a telltale sign of a fraud, you know?
I would have to say you're correct in all of the above.
First of all, he probably picked up that you may have a natural talent or affinity toward magic.
But when he starts to say that you have a curse on you and you need a cleansing, you would have to ask yourself, have I been in a negative cycle?
Have I had a lot of things going wrong?
And if so, you can do a personal cleansing, meaning learn how to do it for yourself.
I don't like to see anybody get on a hook with someone where they're going to have to pay them an awful lot of money and hope to God that they are going to perform a ritual to remove this curse or this negativity.
I'd rather teach you how to do it for yourself.
Right.
So definitely you need a second opinion.
If you feel after you have taken an inventory of your life that you need a cleansing, by all means let me teach you
how to do so.
This way you own the power.
You're not going to somebody else and like I said, hoping to God they'll do it.
Right, right.
And it does seem...
And you do have an affinity, honey, a natural talent, a natural affinity toward magic.
And if I were you I would definitely pursue it.
But again, knowledge is something gained and power is something that should be owned by
yourself.
Right.
I have noticed there is a dark side and I'm sure everybody has somewhat of a dark side.
And I have noticed it ever since I was a kid.
The only thing that I've ever done is I have a strong visualization.
Excellent!
A strong intuition.
So, some of the things that he said did kind of... Think true!
Yeah, yeah.
So, well, I will do that.
Thank you, then.
All right, thank you very much for the call, and take care.
Now, I have that, Evelyn.
I have a very strong intuition, really strong intuition, and I have learned to follow it, you know, to pay attention to it.
And inevitably, when I don't, I run right into a brick wall.
Most people do.
They get that second hunch.
They get that strong gut feeling, and they go against it.
And when they do, they usually pay a very dear price.
That's a fact.
Boy, that is a fact.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
Hello.
Hi, good morning.
Two questions, if I can, real quick.
Evelyn, are you familiar with Kundalini?
Yes.
Are you also familiar with when it occurs in people spontaneously, they're not following
any path or doing any meditation, it just occurs to them?
You were talking about negative cycles.
From experience and what I've been researching on it is that when this thing occurs, it literally
starts to destroy the person physically, mentally.
I'm talking spontaneous now.
Physically, mentally it breaks relationships up and it seems for years and years people
go into this constant negativity.
I've heard it from a few Christian sides saying that, well, this is the Holy Spirit and the
cleansing and from the Eastern side they say this is a great thing.
Thank you.
What is your knowledge about this, and is there anything that can be done for people who have had this happen to them?
It has been very rare that I have found that someone has actually spontaneously brought down Kundalini.
Very rare.
Kundalini is known as the Serpent Fire, and most people have drawn it down, unless They are an extremely masterful practitioner.
We'll experience exactly what you were saying.
They are destroyed from the inside out.
It is one of the most powerful elements that can be used and directed as the Kundalini force.
It's incredible, once again, for those rare people, let's say, who have experienced this, and obviously it wreaks havoc on every single level.
Absolutely.
There are very few people here in America who have ever drawn down Kundalini and lived.
What a cleansing, let me put it this way, those who have lived.
And surviving barely through the experience, would the cleansing work?
Would there be any remedy to this?
Yes, the cleansing would work, and then what would happen is because of your experience, you would become like the thousand-petal lotus.
Okay, each blossom, each petal would be opening, and that would give you another, let's say, level of awareness.
Another talent would be exposed to you, only because of the experience of Kundalini.
Yeah, it's just the most amazing of that.
Anyway, the second question real quick is, obviously we're going to war in Iraq, and it seems to me, in my humble opinion, that this will spread.
And you're coming on tonight, I've heard you before, and you're giving us more and more knowledge.
Is this one of the reasons you're giving us knowledge?
Because, as the Christians say, or even other Hopi Indians, in part, with this quickening, That we're really reaching this critical time and this is needed now?
Your information?
We can use the information to collectively direct our consciousness like a laser beam to put a shield of protection around this nation and also to lessen or to diffuse what is about to happen.
But we are entering into a very long cycle that is going to be very destructive.
There is a purification and a cleansing that is going on.
The elements are involved, and as we race toward this new consciousness, we are certainly going to be tested in many different ways.
You know, Evelyn, that sounds an awful lot like what the Hopis say.
It's the truth.
They talk about a cleansing, a coming cleansing, all the time.
Yes, and we're going to go through it for years, so I would suggest people really get prepared.
That's what the government's been telling us, too.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Evelyn Paglini.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Hi.
Evelyn?
Yes.
My name is Sam.
Hello, Sam.
And I live in Chicago.
And many years ago, I was your landlord on Broadway at 3709 North Broadway.
Do you remember me?
Yes, I do.
Oh, my God.
What was it like, sir?
Were you aware, when you were her landlord, who she was?
Well, not really.
I have learned since.
I tried to call you many times before when you were on the program before and I couldn't get through, but I just wanted to call now and to say hello and to wish you the best.
Tell me, when did you leave Chicago, Evelyn?
I left Chicago in 1984.
I founded IPC, which was the International Psychic Center, in 1972.
I believe when I was on Broadway, That is where the first mystic eye was.
Where was the mystic eye?
I'm not familiar with that.
That was where people were able to come in if they were having paranormal experiences.
It was like a school so that they didn't think that they were crazy.
They could come in and say, you know, I have just had a paranormal experience or a spirit
vision or communication and they would be able to get explanations and have understanding.
I was so impressed with you.
Was she a good tenant, sir?
Yeah, she was a good tenant.
Did you hear any strange things in the night?
I lived about a block away, and I didn't hear anything.
She was a marvelous woman, and I really missed her after she left.
She didn't stick around too long.
But I was really impressed with you, and I know since you left Chicago, you've done a lot of wonderful things, and I wish you the best.
And I'm so glad I got through to you.
Thank you so much.
I'm glad you made it through, too.
Thank you very much.
Oh my, the things you've done.
Oh, I've done a lot, especially on Friday the 13th, a long time ago.
Bill Beck hired me to take the Bad luck off the White Sox and put it on the opposing team.
We won that day.
Do you think that a lot of sports teams use the services of people like yourself?
No, but they should.
Well, they should.
You know, I know that a lot of baseball players and football players and, uh, you know, big professional sports people, they are superstitious as hell.
I mean, they will use the same bat, wear the same jersey, whatever, the same everything, little quirks that people do.
They are as superstitious as it gets.
Yes, I know, and I used that when I was doing the opposing team because they made so many mistakes, Art, it was exciting.
I mean, it really was a lot of fun.
And, of course, we broke the losing streak of the White Sox.
See what you can do for the Raiders and the Chargers this year, would you?
All right.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi, Mr. Bell.
Yes, indeed.
Where are you, sir?
This is Tony in North Hollywood.
Tony in North Hollywood, all right.
And I was one of the callers a couple months ago that asked when you were going to have Dr. Paglini back on the air.
I also had called in that night about the mirrors.
Oh, you're one of the ones who got all this started.
Well, I had mirrors on both sides of the house, and I don't have them anymore.
But I can attest to the fact that what she had mentioned earlier, where I had sat in the front, Yes.
My mother and my grandmother were practitioners.
They were also Greek Orthodox, so they were Christian, but at the same time they called them Gypsies.
My family got called a lot of names, but I inherited that from them.
In fact, Evelyn reminds me a little of my grandmother, her voice.
I one time was in North Hollywood here and I was conjuring up a spell for protection of the house.
Did you feel that, Evelyn?
I can't hear you, sir.
You conjured up a protection for your house and what happened?
And I kind of remember your recollection of your past time on the show came to mind when I was doing it.
It's almost like you were guiding me.
Well, like I said, there are many people out there that have felt when they have been doing a ritual that my presence has been there.
I have empowered them and they have felt it.
Well, as I said earlier, that's a really serious claim.
Well, let the people call in.
There's quite a few out there.
Yeah, obviously.
Obviously.
But you really do make that claim that you are... or you have... I can send my essence anywhere.
But that's almost the claim of a deity.
No, it is not.
Believe me, most practitioners and shamans out there have that ability art.
They just don't tell you that.
Because you want to talk about fear?
That's what's going to happen.
Immediately, people fear me.
What an incredible... Because they say, if I can do that, my God!
Yeah, and line me up among those.
I mean, in a way, because... That's why I said you get more out of me than I have ever said to anyone, because I don't want to instill fear.
I want to show people how they can use it on a positive manner.
But I also want to let them know there is a sinister side.
There is this, and it can happen, and people will use it against you.
So for goodness sake, protect yourself.
Learn!
Alright, let's go quickly.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
Hello.
Hi Art, this is Tuesday, and I'm calling from Long Beach, California.
Born, no doubt, on Tuesday, huh?
No, I was born on Sunday, but... And why'd they call you Tuesday?
After Tuesday Wells, my father slipped in and signed the birth certificate.
Ah, dads are like that.
Well, Tuesday's a good name, even if it's after Tuesday Wells.
Yes, it is.
I agree.
She was very cute.
Alright, so... Thank you.
I have only wished that I was one of the persons who sought protection first before I've had, for the last four months, what I would call a being without a body attacking me at night.
Oh.
The attacking started around the feet in the bed, started shaking very slightly.
Into where, because I would, of course it scared me to death right away, into where I started to learn how to ignore it.
Increased my prayers, I mean increased, did everything I went to, went and seen some psychics.
They tried to, you know, find out where it was coming from, why it was coming from.
What were the nature of these attacks?
The attacks, the first The first amount of attacks was that it was crawling around on me, attaching, it still attaches to the back side of me.
It was so strong that I could almost feel legs and feet and arms all over me.
All right, I want you to hold it right there.
We're in a break.
I'm going to hold you over, all right?
Okay.
All right, stay right there, please.
That's Tuesday.
I guess I want to get that whole story.
My guest is Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
This is something we've done a lot of shows on, attacks.
This is very, very serious stuff.
I'm Art Bell, from the high desert, moving through the night like a freight train.
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Beware the devil woman.
She's going to get you from behind, and that's the direction it's going to come from.
And that's the direction, of course, where you... You never see it coming, right?
That's because it gets you from behind.
when you were looking over the top
on the air than these things.
Once again, Dr. Evelyn Paglini and Tuesday.
And Tuesday is a young lady who is or was being attacked.
Was there any sexual nature to it?
Well the attacking is still going on and in fact as we speak I can feel the being crawling on my legs attacking me trying to distract me from what I'm doing.
Yes it did what it did for a while after that I would stop paying attention to it then it started crawling in spaces in my personal spaces so that it could get my attention.
I would do it.
And of course being uncomfortable And at that point I started to panic because I could not understand the intentions of this thing.
I started going in and checking on my kids and noticing that the covers would move when I went in there.
I'd recover my daughter and I could literally see the cover being picked back up again so that something's either crawling underneath it back up again on it.
My dog won't even come near me anymore.
Wow.
Evelyn, what's happening to this woman?
Well, first of all, what it started out sounding like is an incubus.
You have a spirit that is sexually attacking her.
I don't like the fact that it is now going after the children.
And so what it's doing is it's drawing energy.
Have you had your home blessed?
By a priest or a rabbi.
What have you done to try to remove this evil presence?
I had had the Catholic Father come in and he did bless.
We did prayers.
He blessed the house inside, outside, out front, my garage, my car, everything that had to do with us on it.
Since then he has been very leery to help me.
I've talked with him many times.
Why would he be leery?
I don't know.
Did he experience anything?
I don't know.
I don't know.
All I know is I always say, I'll give you a call back, and I never get one.
In fact, I spoke with him yesterday, and when he was supposed to call me today, and he didn't.
And I even said to him, if you don't believe me, or you're afraid, then tell me.
Well, the experience, has it lessened since he did the cut bee blessing?
No.
No.
And was this a priest?
Yes.
And did he use like what, holy water?
He did.
Wore his whole full gown.
He brought two nuns with him also.
The one nun, she was very uncomfortable.
She's very old.
She was very uncomfortable.
And she started getting really fidgety.
And I could see the look on her face when she was feeling scared.
Oh yeah, she was feeling the presence of evil.
And so I went and sat next to her and I said, it's okay, you know, don't be... I was afraid, but I noticed that the less I'm afraid, Then I feel I have more power.
Absolutely.
Immediately what you should do is get yourself, you can use table salt, but go out and get yourself some sea salt and square off your bed.
Okay, put it also across the threshold of your front door.
I've done that.
And the door of your bedroom.
I've done that.
Yeah, but have you said the chant that there is no evil or negativity that can cross this barrier when you are doing the bed?
That there is no evil or negativity that can cross this threshold.
And that there is no evil or negativity that can stay within the walls.
You must command the spirit to remove itself.
You can also use some black salt, which is also extremely negative for those that are of an evil intent.
You can also put sulfur on the outside and you can bring and use sage.
You haven't done a real proper cleansing?
I've done the sage.
I've been through in front of three transmediums with 12 clairvoyants next to them on them.
Cleansing and healing and they have not been able to touch it.
Boy, oh boy.
I have pictures.
I've been taking for two weeks some pictures just throughout the house.
Day, night, all over the place.
When I got them developed day before yesterday, I wasn't afraid until I seen these pictures.
Why?
Do the pictures show horns on this being?
You should be sending me these photographs.
Are you able to?
Yeah, but she may have a vortex art and she's going to need some real serious help from a practitioner in her local area.
I just don't know who to go to.
I'm not, it's not so much that I'm afraid for me, I'm afraid for my kids, especially because of my daughter and her age.
I don't want this thing to do the same thing it was doing to me.
You know, I want her to have that naturally.
Well, first of all, babe, immediately get yourself a medallion, a crucifix, or a crystal, program it for protection and put it around your children as well as yourself.
Okay.
And please give me a call.
I will be more than happy to give you as much advice as possible.
I'll tell you where you can go to to get some of the things and let's see what we can do.
Okay.
Yeah, I've got plenty of pictures of this thing.
Alright, if you're able, get me some of those photographs, would you?
Okay, yeah.
My husband took the pictures away from me for a couple days because I was so upset about it.
You know, and I know that to get them set up to where I can email the pictures out on it.
Yeah, I want to talk to you.
I want to know how long it's been going on.
When did it happen?
When did it first occur?
What transpired?
Look, I have quite a few questions I need to ask you.
Well, we can try to get to the bottom of it.
Alright, did you get Evelyn's phone number?
I have Evelyn's phone number on it and I've left a message with Missy and they told me that you were going to be on.
I've sent Art emails on it, it's just that I'm at, I'm You're a true agenda.
I am.
I feel like I'm getting all this advice, and I do all these things, and nothing's helping.
And I'm getting help from big people, and nothing's helping.
Alright, well then, you've got Evelyn Paglini.
So call her, and in the meantime, get me the photographs.
Please.
Artbell at mindspring.com.
And I'll get them up, of course, on the web.
The rest is up to you, Evelyn.
There's nothing I can do there.
Wow.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
Hello, Art.
Hello.
This is Bill from Anchorage, Alaska.
Hi, Bill.
It's an honor, Art, and I have a question for Evelyn.
Sure.
It's also an honor, Evelyn.
Thank you, Art.
Thank you, Bill.
I have a question about mirrors that are common in... A lot of people have them as medicine cabinets in their bathroom mirrors, and there's a tri-fold kind.
And I've talked to a lot of people who have done the same thing either as kids or they remember even doing it now and that's where if you fold the two outer trifold mirrors in and you look inside in between the two you see something continuing on forever as far as you can see.
And I've talked to different people about what they see when they look at that.
Um, in some department stores, some older department stores, I've seen full-length trifold mirrors like this.
And kind of had, kind of had a fascination with it, um, just because it's a space that seems to continue forever.
Yeah, it is infinity, um... Again, that, that doorway, that gateway to other dimensions.
Evelyn, somebody really raised a pretty good point earlier, and that was, um, there would be certain places, like department stores, beauty salons, Places where as a natural course of events they have mirrors and mirrors and mirrors and mirrors.
And if all of this is true you would think that these type places would experience paranormal events at a ratio far above others otherwise.
I mean do you think that might be true?
Well it can be if those people are intense when they are gazing into the mirror.
If they're only passing by the mirror, they're not going to get an influence from the mirror.
So it requires the intent, as well as, in other words, just the... The intent and the altered state of consciousness.
The meditative state.
All that has to be there.
Otherwise, it's only a mirror.
Well, yes, but you can.
You see so many people who will recite or perform or get into character in front of a mirror.
And if you practice often enough, what you're bringing is your essence into play.
And so, therefore, you can make a change on the physical plane Just by the intent of, what I would say, gazing into your eyes.
But again, it's going to take a little bit of time and practice.
Ease to the Rockies.
You're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Hi.
Hi.
Where are you?
I'm on the air.
Okay.
I'm in Florida.
Florida?
Right.
And I have a question for you.
I'm sorry.
I'm a little nervous.
It's all right.
Just relax.
Take a deep breath and proceed.
Okay.
Thank you.
Okay, I had called once before, and I had talked to George, and he had a guest on, and I was telling him about an ex-boyfriend of mine, and we have a child together, and the ex-boyfriend of mine told me things that were just, to me, seemed unreal, but I know that they're not, that they could be real, and... What kind of things?
Okay, um, he told me that he used to have dreams about demons, and, um, just, um, he told me he had a dream about the devil, And the devil asked him to sign his book.
And I guess he had signed this book.
And, um, I just, I'm worried because he told me once that he was going to make me sick.
And he used to talk about mirrors and the reflection.
And he told me I had got sick with leukemia at age 21 and I hadn't had a perfect deal of health.
Leukemia.
Right.
With cancer.
I'm 24 now.
So he told you... Now, I presume this was when you were breaking up or broken up or whatever at the downside of the relationship, obviously.
Well, yeah.
It was after our daughter was born.
I had got... Your daughter?
Right.
I had got sick five months into my pregnancy and we had had problems.
And he was into demonology and the mirrors and all these things.
And I was really not on top of all the subject, you know.
And he came after you?
Well, that's what he told me.
He said he was the one that made me sick, and there was... He said that gypsies had cursed his family from long ago, and he had these powers and abilities, and he told me that he was the one who made me sick, and he wanted me to die.
Alright, Evelyn, could somebody come after somebody like this young lady to the degree to give her leukemia or some other really awful disease like that?
Is that within the... Yes, you could find a weakness within the body and cause the disease to erupt.
Yes.
Okay, well, I'd also like to know what I can do to keep him away, because I know you said that through the mirrors they can get to you, even, you know, through the mirrors.
First of all, you can put, depending on your religious persuasion, you should cleanse your mirror, as I had mentioned, with a glass cleaner.
Either put the sign of the crucifix, the Star of David, a pentacle, use some protection oil, or some rosemary oil, and that will stop them Anything evil coming through any mirror.
But somebody like that ex-husband of hers, her ex-boyfriend, whatever.
Black reverse image candle, reverse oil.
Consecrated in his first and last name.
Okay, sending back all of the evil and negativity to him.
Then a white female image candle for her.
Okay, with protection oil, putting a shield of protection around her.
And then revitalizing and rejuvenating the body.
Very seriously, discipline-wise, length of time is going to be necessary, but it can be reversed.
Are these accessories to the will, the intent, as important as the will and intent?
In other words, do they go hand-in-hand, these various salts and herbs and all these things you're mentioning?
Are they as important?
Could it be done without the aid of these things?
Or is it all stronger and then workable with these things?
As a practitioner, if you are a master, then you can eliminate the tools or the accessories.
The novice, the chela, the person who is just a practitioner is going to need to access all of those other forces and vibrations To assist them.
To give them more power.
If you're drawing down a cone of power.
If you're using the waxing, the waning, or a full or a new moon.
Right.
Are you bringing in, you know, the elements.
All of these are necessary to enhance what you're doing.
To give you extra power.
But a real master and a practitioner can do it on its own.
Well, it's to the Rockies.
You're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
Hi, Art.
Hi, Evelyn.
My name is Barbara.
I am Caucasian, but I work in a Native American medical clinic.
I'm a receptionist, and my co-worker was being stalked by another Native American man.
I stepped in, insulted him, and refused to put his calls through to her.
He now has decided that I am the barrier between Him and eternal bliss with this other woman.
He's a member of the Native American smokehouse tradition.
I don't know if you're familiar with that.
I am not.
He told me that he will take me out according to smokehouse tradition.
He's placed dog feces on my car.
I did go to court.
Oh brother.
Got a restraining order against the man and just received a call yesterday that the prosecuting attorney want to take him back to court for phone harassment against him and I've been subpoenaed and I am very fearful of this man.
He is He has been in jail on two different occasions prior for violent crimes against women.
And I do not know this man, but he knows me.
He's been calling me at my home and at work and threatening my life.
Threatening your life?
Yes.
Okay, well that's crime.
And I am quite afraid of him and... What can he do?
I don't know what to do.
Evelyn?
Well, first of all, a shield of protection immediately.
Okay, that has to be placed upon her.
And what you can do is also a ritual to not only expose him, but to see that justice is done where he is going to be either removed, incarcerated, etc.
And that also can be done with a black image candle, and you can use a particular essential oil that will be able to do the job.
Have you done meditation and visualization before?
Yes.
Okay, then it would be very easy for you if you have the proper tools.
Please give me a call.
I'd be more than happy to tell you what to do and how to do it.
Just consecrate it in its first and last name.
But the first thing to do is you, honey.
Put up a shield of protection around you and put a protection around your environment.
Immediately.
Yes.
Yes, actually the judge told me that I should carry a concealed weapon and he's been jailed on two prior occasions.
Yeah, that's why I said we're going to have to do something.
He's going to have to get exposed.
He's going to do something wrong so we can get him off the streets and get him incarcerated.
She's got to work on this at all kinds of levels.
Yes.
If he's not willing to do it, I will teach her how.
We have some damn serious calls here.
That's what I'm trying to say, Arthur.
There is so much that is going on out there that if you really open up the lines, you're going to be unbelievably surprised at what is going on.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini, and unfortunately, not a lot of time alone.
Hi, Arthur.
I'll be quick.
Hi, Evelyn.
Joe from Boston.
I never spoke to you before.
Hi, Joe.
I want to know if you could give some assistance to me.
I'm totally alone.
I'm not like that lady.
Uh, nothing seems to go right.
I've never been able to get through to you.
If you would be willing to at least talk with me, I can get some help.
I've been ostracized from my family and nothing just works right.
Especially because of this 9-1-1.
I wish you could hope you could heal these terrible people like that man.
Just a girl who spoke, and I wish you could have reached the hijackers before this all happened, but if you would, I'd really appreciate it.
All right, would you be willing to talk to him, for starters?
And the answer is an obvious yes, and you gave out a phone number, and we're running out of time.
That phone number is...
Area Code 818-783-2995.
Again, Area Code 818-783-2995.
The address is Paglini.
That's P-A-G-L-I-N-I.
Again, area code 818-783-2995.
P.O.
The address is PAGLINI, that's P-A-G-L-I-N-I, P.O.
Box 57932.
P.O.
It is correct.
Alright, well then, we've done it again, and there's just not enough time.
We will have you on, of course, once again, Evelyn.
That's 91413. Is all that accurate, Evelyn?
It is correct.
All right, well then, we've done it again, and there's just not enough time.
We will have you on, of course, once again, Evelyn.
It has been exceptionally interesting having you on the air.
Thank you so much, and let's talk about using mirrors for invisibility next time.
Oh, she drops that on me right at the end.
Invisibility.
Uh, Evelyn, uh... Thank you for having me.
You're very welcome, and you'll be back.
Mirrors for invisibility.
Of course.
Why didn't I think of that earlier?
Of course, why didn't I think of that earlier?
From the high deserts, I'm Art Bell.
It's Saturday morning.
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