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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere Inside, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2002, from the high desert as the great American Southwest of the New Hall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be across this great world of ours and all the time zones out there.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here I am, Art Bell, coming in for George Murray.
		Thank you, George.
		Here I am once again.
unidentified		Now, come on, am I hearing what's been going on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody's asking me, well, as you know, I have a bad back.
		One of these days, I think I'm going to just post the results of my MRI, my latest MRI, for you to see.
		And then those of you who are so medically inclined can take a look.
		It's L4 and L5, and they're both reaching out and abutting the main nerves, which are, you know, like S1.
		technically as one which is your site and when uh...
		when it comes out with a split this material about it touches as one i have uh...
		I have these back spasms that curl me up like a dried prune that I am.
		And they don't let me walk, and they don't let me do much of anything, actually, except sit there in pain.
		That's about it.
		And over the last couple weeks, I've had recurring times when that has happened.
		You know, it's happened again and again.
		And I was getting better, for example, on Tuesday.
		This is kind of an interesting story.
		Now, you see L5, the bottom of your back, just above your butt, supports all the weight of the human body.
		Whether you're sitting or whether you're standing, it supports all your weight or not.
		So anyway, I was feeling better.
		And I went back to my doctor for an appointment on Tuesday.
		And I thought I'd be cute, sign in a little early, about 30 minutes early, you know, because you go by doctor's time, right?
		Not patient time, doctor's time.
		And so I thought I'd be cute and sign in a little early.
		Well, I sat there and thought I'd sneak in early.
		And anyway, I ended up sitting for two hours waiting for the doctor.
		Now, bear in mind, I was feeling better.
		After sitting there for two hours, my back went into spasms again.
		By the time I saw the doctor, I was all locked up again.
		So there went another day.
		Now, here I am.
		I can't guarantee when I will be here and when I will not be here.
		That's guaranteed by my back.
		You know, I have several really super unattractive options that have been given to me with regard to my back.
		I can get these shots into the spine, I'm told, but I'm told they will only last a short while, a week, a month, even a few months.
		But, you know, there's certain dangers in that.
		You get out and do things you shouldn't do.
		And besides that, this stuff that they shoot into your back will always be there.
		When you're buried, if they were to dig you up, this stuff would still be there.
		And you've got to keep getting these shots.
		And so that's one option.
		The other option, of course, is surgery.
		And I am warned by my doctor that I'd be out of my mind if I did that.
		That most of his patients that he sent off for that kind of to neurosurgeons, with my specific condition, bear that in mind, have come back about two weeks later and said everything's wonderful.
		And then a year later, they're worse than they were in the first place or crippled.
		And the odds of success are maybe 50-50.
		And the odds of failure are 50-50.
		And so it's like throwing dice a little bit.
		And so trying to decide when to alter your life and do this kind of surgery is not an easy thing to do.
		And pretty much you don't do it until life has become so unbearable that you can't do anything else or you just can't walk.
		So that's kind of what's been going on with me.
		Now, let's get to the matter at hand, tonight's program.
		A lot of stuff to catch up on that I want to catch up on with you.
		Headline tonight, the FBI and Postal Service.
		This is really interesting.
		The headline is, Anthrax clues sought at Maryland Department.
		FBI and Postal Service agents wearing protective gloves conducted a second search today at the Department of a former Army researcher considered a, quote, person of interest, end quote, in the investigation last year's deadly anthrax mailings.
		The FBI gained a search warrant to look inside Stephen J. Hatfield's residence, according to two U.S. government officials.
		FBI Director Robert Mueller said, quote, we're making progress in the case, but I can't comment on ongoing aspects of the investigation.
		Hatville, he said, is not a suspect, and no physical evidence links him to any of the letters.
		But you've got to wonder about a story like this.
		Why, I wonder, would the FBI release a story that becomes a number one story for the hour with this man's name in connection with this if there's no physical evidence or anything else that connects him to the case?
		So when you look behind the story, you've got to wonder why are they releasing this now?
		Why?
		He's not a suspect.
		But they released his name.
		That's a hell of a thing to do, huh?
		You know, if he's not a suspect and there's no evidence, boy, oh boy, oh boy.
	So there's more to the story than meets the eye, as there is with so many stories like this.
	They released this for a specific reason.
	Israeli troops led by 150 armored vehicles rolled into Nablus and entered the narrow alleyways of the old city early Friday, all in retaliation apparently to a bombing in Jerusalem that killed seven people a couple days ago.
	Yesterday, was it?
	Teenage girl, boy, there's been a lot of this going on.
	Two teenage girls abducted at gunpoint early today from a lover's lane were rescued.
	Here's a good ending for you for a change.
	About 100 miles away from their point where they were kidnapped.
	The kidnapper crashed his getaway car, was shot to death by sheriff's deputies.
	County Sheriff Carl Spartan said that he was certain the kidnapper was minutes away from killing the girls and had chosen a remote location in the high desert.
	So too damn much of that going on lately, for sure.
	Iraq.
	Iraq is asking the UN for an arms meeting.
	Now, GY would have a surprise movie.
	Iraq on Thursday invited the chief UN weapons inspector to Baghdad for talks, it said could lead to the return of inspectors after nearly four years.
	Now, let's think about that.
	Why would Iraq invite the inspectors back or even invite the chief inspector talk about inviting the inspectors back?
	Well, because we've been rattling our swords about Iraq.
	In fact, here's an interesting story.
	Iraqi buildup near border put Kuwait on heightened alert.
	Kuwait has drafted an emergency plan in coordination with the U.S. as officials reported an Iraqi buildup near the Kuwaiti border.
	That sounds familiar.
	On Monday, the Kuwaiti Daily reported that authorities have canceled all vacations for civil defense employees until further notice.
	Newspaper said the move is part of a heightened preparation for an Iraqi attack.
	The Kuwaiti cabinet was presented with what was described as an emergency plan to counter an Iraqi military strike on the Shaiktim over the next year.
	Kuwaiti officials said the plan warns the Shaitim can expect to be the first target of an Iraqi attack either prior to or during any U.S. military campaign to topple the regime of President Saddam Hussein.
	The Kuwaiti plan called the Iraqi military build-up near the Kuwaiti border.
	The plan discussed on Sunday by the cabinet is meant to respond to both internal and external threats from the Saddam regime.
	So we've rattled our swords and now they're saying, well, let's come have the chief arms inspector come back and talk about having all of his troops come back and inspect our stuff.
	Not chance.
	More in a moment.
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		At this point, I'm not happy with the direction that government is taking us.
		I'm happy with the fact that Americans are beginning to wake up and stand up and do what they have to do and shout and scream and blog.
		And I think that's critical.
		And I think that's what's going to save the Republic.
		I think in the long run, as we go through all this stuff, it's the people who will save us and our country will remain strong.
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		First of all, I want to just thank you for bringing everyone out here to Cornea Copia just phenomenal knowledge.
		I don't know of anyone else that I've ever listened to at radio that just fills my brain and stimulates me.
		You know, I was listening to the show and I thought to myself, do you think, George, the common citizen such as you or I, really has any hope towards the future of any privacy or anything else?
		I think we do.
		I think eventually so many people will see the light, see what you see, see what I see, that eventually they're going to say enough is enough.
		And I think that we do have a future and we're going to win in the long run.
		It's going to be bumpy along the way.
		It's not going to be easy, but we will get there.
		That's my take.
		And you know what?
		As long as I can continue on the earwaves and tell people this, I shall.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM, from August 1st, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music There was an occurrence while I was away that not enough attention was paid to, and it happened in the skies over our capital in Washington.
		Oh, Maryland.
		What was that bright light in Maryland, in Maryland sky?
		The Air National Guard in this story confirms the 113th Squadron scrambled over Maryland.
		WTOP, that's Washington, has learned that residents near Andrews Air Force Base were shaken From their beds early Friday morning by some very strange activity in the air.
		That'd be a week ago, right?
		Incredible, absolutely incredible, said Rennie Rogers of Waldorf.
		Just before 2 in the morning, Rogers said he saw a huge blue ball of light streaking across the sky, but it was military jets that really startled him.
		In other words, a pair of F-16s got on its tail right behind him.
		And he's not the only one who saw it.
		Several people called WTOP radio reporting seeing a bright blue or orange ball moving very fast, being chased by jets.
		By the way, Rogers said there was no smoke coming from the object, no flashing lights, said that it was smooth and eerily silent.
		Now the Air National Guard confirms they scrambled the 113th Squadron.
		They're investigating and they're in contact with NORAD and it was said that this object left the F-16s in the dust.
		And they do, military officials do acknowledge that the F-16s went after, quote, a track of interest, end quote, plotted on radar.
		But they said everything was fine and they went home.
		Everything was fine and they went home.
		And that's the end of this story as far as they're concerned.
		Everything was fine and they went home.
		Now let me get this straight.
		In this post-9-11 era, when we're watching every inch of our skies, an object that can make F-16s look like ants crawling across a piece of paper takes off, is plotted on radar, and at the end of the whole thing, they say, oh, but everything was fine, and they went home, referring to the F-16s.
		Right-oh.
		So I thought more attention ought to be called to that incident.
		Pretty significant incident in ufology, I would certainly say.
		The following is from Jane's, you know, Jane's Defense Weekly.
		I wonder if anybody out there caught this one.
		Anti-gravity propulsion comes, quote, out of the closet, end quote.
		Say what?
		Anti-gravity propulsion comes out of the closet.
		Boeing, the world's largest aircraft manufacturer, has admitted it is working on experimental anti-gravity projects that could overturn a century of conventional aerospace propulsion technology if the science underpinning them can be engineered into hardware.
		As part of the effort, which is being run out of Boeing's Phantom Works Advanced Research and Development Facility in Seattle, the company is trying to solicit the services of a Russian scientist who claims that he's developed anti-gravity devices in Russia and Finland.
		The approach, however, has been thwarted by Russian officialdom.
		The Boeing Drive to develop a collaborative relationship with the scientist in question has its own internal project name.
		It's called GRASP, G-R-A-S-P, Gravity Research for Advanced Space Propulsion.
		And that's from the incredibly reliable Jane's.
		So there you have it, folks.
		They're working on anti-gravity.
		Well, what a surprise.
		And Boeing's working on anti-gravity.
unidentified		Oh, my, my, my, my, my.
unidentified		Goodness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A weird story that caught my attention entitled Army Wives Killed at U.S. Base.
		You know about that one, right?
		The U.S. military is investigating a disturbing series of murders apparently involving U.S. Special Forces soldiers who recently served in Afghanistan.
		Four soldiers, all based at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, are accused of killing their wives.
		The military, insofar as, and boy, by the way, this came from the BBC, of course.
		Where else?
		Domestic source?
unidentified		Ha!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, some domestic sources had it, but this comes from the BBC.
		These soldiers, just coming back from Afghanistan, four of them at one place killed their wives.
		Of course, they're going to say coincidence, but that's a pretty big coincidence, I would say, wouldn't you?
		So I'm wondering, heartily wondering about this story.
		Only wondering about this story.
		What could have happened in Afghanistan?
		Would the U.S. government have done anything or could they have, you know, could it have been some sort of something they picked up over there, something they had in common in Afghanistan that would have caused this incredible thing to occur?
		I mean, this is just, you talk about the world of coincidences, four of them coming back and then doing this.
		Oh, that smacks of the 60s, doesn't it?
		And I'm not saying that any sort of experimental anything went on, but it did once go on in this country, didn't it?
		Where they gave civilians and military personnel hits of acid, LSD, mind control experiments in America.
		So is this bad?
		I'm not saying so, but one has to wonder a little bit, doesn't one?
		A big brother.
		Here comes Big Brother coming to LA.
		Cameras to help keep South Los Angeles alleys clean.
		This is something just hit the press tonight.
		Police, fed up with trash-filled alleys, have unveiled the first of 11 special motion sensor cameras that they hope will deter illegal dumping and as well graffiti in Los Angeles.
		A power pole mounted camera in watts is designed to snap a picture of an, and then audibly warned, get this, anyone spotted loitering in a junk-filled alley, said police on Wednesday, the steel-encased camera designed to withstand a bullet, good thing, plans a recorded warning that police hope will act as a deterrent.
		Here's the way it'll go.
unidentified		Bob, this is the LAPD, the recording says.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have just taken your photograph.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		We will use that photograph to prosecute you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Leave now.
		Similar cameras are planned for use in South Los Angeles locations, some mounted near abandoned buildings, to discourage squatters.
		So what do you think, folks?
unidentified		Stop.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		We have your picture.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		We'll use it to prosecute you.
unidentified		We are the police.
		We have you on tape.
		You're dead meat.
		We'll be right back.
		The Drift Back in Time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
		Come walk with me.
		Gonna die on the dead way Get in with me Shows my four people to me I'm troubled to cry Got another
		love the way you like you the move I know we get you What can I do?
		What can I do?
		You make me happy with your money and me and me.
		Silver threads and golden needles Till I've been this heart of mine And I dare not drown myself In the warm water wide But you think I should be happy With your money and your name And hide myself in sorrow While you
		play your kitten game Silver threads and golden needles And I've made but heart of mine If I dare
		not drown my soul You are listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, it feels good to be back.
		I'll tell you.
		By the way, one more medical addendum, and my doctor doubled my dose of anti-inflammatory.
		I take a very, very strong anti-inflammatory, and now I'm taking twice as much.
		Coming up at the top of the hour is Ty Michelson.
		He's the guy who built all the rockets for the movie October Sky.
		Remember that?
		Awesome movie.
		I'm Iphelson, top of the hour tonight.
unidentified		I'm Iphelson.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music Oh, by the way, one more medical addendum for all of us, not just me.
		West Nile virus is sickening people far earlier this summer than usual, spreading so quickly.
		It's hit 33 states.
		I mean, you remember what was it just in New York?
		And now it's hit 33 states as far west as South Dakota.
		And they say it's going to reach California this year or next.
		Nobody knows how bad the mosquito-borne illness might get, although a rapidly growing outbreak among 32 people in Louisiana began a month earlier than West Nile has ever struck in the USA.
		A big worry indeed, but it's clear the virus first detected in New York City a mere three years ago has become a permanent summertime threat in most states.
		Apparently, in the next year or two, it will be everywhere, including where you are.
		First time, Color Line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Art?
		Yes.
		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you've been here.
unidentified		Oh, wonderful.
unidentified		This is Teresa from Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Teresa.
unidentified		Hi.
		Oh, my God.
		I can't believe I'm talking to you.
		I'm so happy.
		I've been trying to get through you for eight months.
		I just started listening to you the last eight months.
		I'll make this as quick and as fast as I can because I know how fast things are and so forth.
		A customer came in.
		I work strictly nights at a gas station, and you get me through my night shifts.
		I thank God for you.
		Thank you for your station.
		And I was mentioning to him about an episode I had here in the station.
		He said to me, call Art Bell.
		I said, to be honest with you, I said, who the hell's Art Bell?
		And he says, an awesome guy on the radio.
		You've got to hear him.
		I turned you on once, and I've sticked it ever since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's hear the death episode that I've ever seen.
unidentified		Okay, what happened to me was a fellow came into the gas station.
		He couldn't pump his gas.
		I had to instruct him, make a long story short, show him how to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You had to show him?
unidentified		Pardon me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old was this somebody?
unidentified		This gentleman was about what he looked like, he was about 40 years of age.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		40 years of age.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you had to go show him how to pump gas.
unidentified		I had to show him how to do it.
		Obviously.
		First I went on the intercom, told him how to do it, lift the red lever, push the button, blah, blah, blah.
		He did not know how to do it.
		I had to go out.
		I was frustrated.
		I was like, haven't you ever pumped gas before?
		He said, no, no big deal.
		So he pumped his gas, came into the gas station.
		He took out, and you've got to understand something here.
		I've got this all on tape, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Proceed.
unidentified		Pardon me?
unidentified		Proceed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He took out what?
unidentified		Okay, he took out his wallet, all right, to pay for his gas.
		In his wallet was a whole bunch of old 1857 money, bills, coins, Canadian old 1857 money.
		And I said to him, where did you get all this money?
		He says, I earn it.
		This is what I earn my money.
		And I said to him, okay, well, it's not this time and date.
		I said, but you have to pay me $20 in your gas up to date.
		So he did that.
		No big deal.
		He gave me a $20 bill, paid for his gas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How was he dressed?
unidentified		He was dressed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A bit contemporary?
unidentified		Yeah, just very kind of scruffy, to be honest with you.
		And I was really fascinated with this money.
		He had a whole bunch of it.
		He had it in his pockets, in his back, and I even said to him, you should be having this in a bank state.
		You should be carrying this around.
		And when I saw him, saw the money, I thought to myself, you know, like, this is weird, of course.
		And I said, where are you from?
		He says, well, you know, he says, I want to show you something.
		So I stood back because he was starting to freak me out at this time.
		This is like a quarter after 12 at night, so I'm here all by myself.
		And he stood there and he put two pens.
		He says, you have two pens.
		I said, yeah, I do, right here.
		Put them on the counter.
		And he says, this might shock you a little bit, but my nose might start to bleed.
		And at this point, I'm thinking, oh my God, I got a psycho here.
		I stood back from the counter, and I'm not kidding, I got this on tape.
		All of a sudden, the pens started rising up off the counter.
		He went into this trance, and all of a sudden these pens went up off the counter and started spinning and dropped.
		Okay, this freaked me out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whoa, now you have all of this.
unidentified		I have this on tape, Art Bell.
		I had my customers wanting to buy the tape.
		My manager wanted me to do whatever wanted tape it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't this tape belong to the store?
unidentified		Well, yes, but I mean, like, she said to me, I made a copy of the tape.
		I made a copy of the tape.
		I have a copy of this tape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you send me a copy of the tape?
unidentified		You want me to send you a copy of the tape?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		Okay, this is just not it, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I need a copy of that tape.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now.
unidentified		No problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I want you to send this tape to my network in Oregon.
unidentified		Okay, I got a piece of paper right here.
unidentified		Do I tell you what else?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what their address is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
unidentified		Go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What else did he say?
unidentified		Okay, then he said, you want to see something really freaky?
		I said, okay.
		He says, and then he stepped outside the door.
		He said, I can't be around anything electrical.
		And I'm thinking, my God, I'm dealing with a quack.
		And I'm standing here, and all of a sudden, I'm not kidding.
		I have seen this on TV where people love it to take themselves, but I'm not kidding you.
		This man rose like a foot off the ground.
		Then he came down.
		Then at this point, my heart's beating 1,000 miles a minute.
		And I says to him, where are you from?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who are you?
unidentified		And he had this very strong accent.
		He said to me, I'm a time traveler.
		He said, have a good day, Teresa, and walked out the door.
		And Art, I'm about to cry here, but I swear to God, I did not have my name tag on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Teresa.
unidentified		I did not have my name tag on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Teresa, all right, do you have a pencil or a pen?
unidentified		Yeah, right here.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want you to send this to 540 540 East Village Road.
		I don't know what I'll say.
		That's V I L A S. V I L. No, no, no.
		Vias and Victor, I L A S Road.
		Road.
		Sweet C Suite C. This is a long damn address.
		P.O. Box 3130.
unidentified		Oh, box 3130.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Central Point, Oregon.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Central Point, Oregon.
unidentified		Oregon, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		97502.
unidentified		97502.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Read it back to me.
unidentified		Okay, I've got 540 East Villis Road, Sweet C, P.O. Box 3130, Central Point, Oregon, 97502.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got it.
		You got it.
		All right.
		You have encountered a time traveler.
unidentified		Do you think I did?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do.
unidentified		Are you serious?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course.
		Let's tell it this way.
		Dear, I'm as serious as you are.
		If what you tell me is true about the pens and you have that on tape.
unidentified		You got me on the tape with my head over to where he was.
		The pens all of a start and started levitating.
		And all of a sudden my head went back when I started backing up, and you could see the pens floating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, then if you're serious, I'm serious.
		We need very, very much to get this video to you.
		Would you give permission for that?
unidentified		Okay, I'm just afraid.
unidentified		No, of course I give permission for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right, all right.
unidentified		Do whatever you want with it.
unidentified		I have no problem with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a computer person?
unidentified		Do you have a computer?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you capable of creating an AVI file?
unidentified		No, I'm not.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you get it to me, and I will do that, and then include your phone number, and I will have you back on the air when I do.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's an incredible, incredible story.
unidentified		Really?
		I didn't think it was that much.
		Well, of course I was flipped out and everything, and I had my customers, especially Dino, his name is.
		Dino his name is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unless you've got some sort of Canadian version of David Blaine, believe me, that's an incredible story.
		And you encountered a time traveler, and that's one of the most interesting subjects in my life.
		So I want that tape.
		Pronto, okay?
unidentified		Okay, I have no problem with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		I'll look forward to it.
		You take care.
		Well, there's a way to begin it, huh?
		Yikes!
		That really does sound like a time traveler to me.
		How about you?
		Had to be instructed how to use a gas pump.
		Well, I suppose if you came from an age where the only motivation around getting around was forces, well then you wouldn't much know how to use a gas pump.
		Of course you've got to figure the guy drove up in something, right?
		Got to know something about cars.
		Weird story.
		Wildheart line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello, sir.
		It's really hard to top that one, but you know, stranger things have happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they do every day.
unidentified		Yeah, well, if you watch, there was actually an episode on the twilight of that same exact incident where a guy from the Civil War was found in the desert by a driver buying a car.
unidentified		Remember that one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
unidentified		Yeah, that just rang a bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think all kinds of things open and close, and I do think there are time travelers, and I think we experience them from time to time.
unidentified		That's true, yeah.
		Things pop in and out, and there's nothing we could do about it except just learn from it, I guess.
		But the main reason I called is to say, well, first of all, welcome back.
		Nice to hear your voice again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And I was reading, I was with some person who understands Spanish a little better than I do.
		And as you know, the UFO phenomenon is really prevalent in Mexico.
		And there's a lot of investigators out there doing a lot of research on it.
		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		Look, they have collisions with UFOs in Mexico.
		I mean, documented collisions.
		Planes taking off from Mexico City have collided with UFOs.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, I've read that.
unidentified		It's sort of interesting that they're scared of us around here because we shoot at them with SDI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we definitely chase them.
		Witnessed the story over our capital just a week ago, right?
		F-16s chase a plane or chase a UFO.
		The UFO takes off.
		It's described as having no conventional propulsion system.
		It's described as leaving F-16s in the dust.
		And then we end up by the U.S. Air Force telling us that, you know, everything was okay, and so they went home.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm surprised that they even got that far on the air.
		But like, I've heard that SDI, we do push, we do shoot one across the bow to let them know that they're not welcome here.
		But in Mexico, a lot of people there are pretty curious.
		And the UFOs do hang around there quite often.
		And the UFO investigations really move forward really to a point in Mexico where they're getting a lot of good information.
		I found exactly a location, an Area 51 base in the Soviet Union.
		And there's an Area 51 in the Soviet Union where they have five downed UFOs that they've been reverse engineering.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, wouldn't it be the damnedest thing if because we shoot and chase UFOs, shoot at them, that when contact eventually comes, it comes to some formerly third world nation somewhere that all of a sudden has this technology dropped on them that makes them king of the hill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And all because we shot at these things, like Stephen Greer says.
unidentified		That's exactly right.
unidentified		And we're pretty much ahead of everybody else in the UFO investigation field since World War II.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've been documenting with the Foo Fighters and, you know, the so-called gremlins that, you know, Imagine a headline.
		I don't know how it would read.
		Bangladesh dictates terms to world.
		Maybe something like that.
		Bangladesh takes over world, you know, welcomes technology that the U.S. would not allow anywhere near its shores without a threat of terminal bodily harm.
		And so they go to Bangladesh or something.
		And that's it for us.
		Easy the Rockies are on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello?
		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Yes, you know, I'm really concerned about this save rattling against Iraq.
unidentified		And I think that people have got to start using their own head because the Democrats, the Republicans, and the corporate media, which interlocks with the military-industrial corporations in this country, always bipartisanly support wars, interventions that cause the deaths of millions of people abroad and hundreds and thousands of Americans to feed on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All this said, sir, the fact of the matter is he is as fast as he can putting together the deadliest germs to try and sell.
		Yes, it is so.
		It absolutely is so, sir.
unidentified		Reader has said that is nothing but propaganda.
unidentified		Oh, I'm not going to say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, that's a load.
		You're dumping a load on us.
		Give me a break.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it isn't, sir.
unidentified		The UN.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, hold it, hold it, hold it.
		The U.N. Let me speak.
		Well, I'll let you speak when I want to.
		The UN has confirmed beyond any shadow of a doubt, I mean, we have parts and pieces that the UN brought back of nuclear nuclear.
		Absolutely not.
unidentified		That is absolutely...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so the UN has just been...
unidentified		Goodbye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Total load.
		It's just not true.
		There have been a recording of very well-documented examples of the Iraqi nuclear and biological programs, which were well underway during the last war and have been going ever since, full tilt.
		I might add at the expense of the Iraqi people who have not been eating at times when we've allowed them to sell oil.
		That money has not gone where it was intended.
		It was gone toward the manufacture of weapons of mass destruction, which are specifically designed to kill us, Israelis, and us, as in the U.S. So you're just flat out wrong about that.
		And I understand your bias.
		You hate all the powers that be, the military-industrial complex, which we were warned about by Eisenhower, and the power structure in this country and every other country that is attempting to wage a war on terrorism.
		And I understand exactly where you're coming from.
		It's just a load.
		That's all.
		Total load.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello.
		Yeah, my name is Walter.
		I'm from Mount Rainier, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, I'd like to ask you about your experiment where you get everybody together and concentrate on one thing.
		And I'd like to see if you could have everybody concentrate on asking God to show up.
		You know, God and the crew, Jesus and Mary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you so sure you really want that?
		Well, if we have a category of you better be careful what you ask for because the next time there are certain prescribed things that are going to occur next time he rolls into town.
		And so you just might want to be real careful about that.
unidentified		Well, if we're not afraid of him, maybe he'd show up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, to you, you wouldn't mind hearing the horns blow.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, really?
unidentified		We've got to meet him sooner or later, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he might as well be sooner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you would have the horns blow, the walls crumble, the world come tumbling down, the return of God.
unidentified		He's coming here to save us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The dead beginning to rise.
		Everybody else, a few people anyway, getting sucked up.
		The rest of us left around here to watch the carnage.
unidentified		He can only do good if he shows up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but that's somewhat subjective, you've got to admit.
		I mean, why wish that to occur sooner than later?
		Why not let it be on his timetable?
unidentified		Because I don't want to have to die before I get to meet him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Understand?
		I know, but after you die, time is but a twinkle.
		You're not going to be languishing for some great thousands of years of what we call Earth time.
		After you die, sir, you're just, it's going to be a flash of a boom, like that.
		Well, you'll meet your maker.
		I mean, why rush it?
unidentified		Well, because we need him.
unidentified		We're in sad shape down here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As witnessed the story from Los Angeles with those cameras, huh?
unidentified		Well, yeah.
		Yeah, to put it mildly, right.
		I think UFOs would show up all over the place.
		After all, there was a star that...
		Well, we shouldn't be afraid of it.
		I mean, we got to meet it if it exists.
		And there was a star that showed the wise men to Jesus when he was born.
		That's documented in history.
		So I think UFOs would be everywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure they would be.
		But it would be, you know, the horsemen of the apocalypse.
		It would be the crumbling walls.
		It would be the end of everything.
		And why wouldn't you want to just wait a little bit longer for all of that to come down?
		It's so drastic.
unidentified		You talk to any religious people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you ask me, a bunch of seals have already been broken.
		Just look at all the signs around you.
		They're everywhere.
unidentified		Well, if we get everybody together and ask God to show up, it's worth a try.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be the last thing I would ever do.
		As you know, I've ceased these experiments anyway.
		They went too well.
		If something like that can go too well, these experiments have gone too well.
		And I've learned that who am I to tamper?
		Who are we to tamper with the nature of everything?
		In fact, I once played some horns, and people would call me and say, you know what?
		You better not play those horns.
		Because you're liable to get exactly what those horns are calling down.
		So be careful about the horns, Art.
		I've tried to be careful ever since.
		I am Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		On this Somewhere in Time.
		Oh, oh, you don't have to go.
		Oh, oh, oh, you don't have to go.
		I, I, I, I, I, I. All the people cry.
		All of you are crying.
		Oh, I made me so go when I ran the letter leaving at my mind.
		Zero out, 9 a.m.
		I'm gonna be high at the kite by then I miss the earth so much, I miss my wife.
		It's lonely out of faith on such a high life as light.
		Thank you.
		And I think it's gonna be a long time.
		Just some brings me round again to find a fucking man, let's think I am at all.
		I'm a rocket man.
		Rocket man, where I'm not a few dark men long.
		And I'm thinking.
		It's gonna be a long, long time.
		Some brings me around and get to find a pop a man that thinks I am that long.
		I'm a rocket man.
		Rocket man.
		I'm burning out of you, I'll never fall Marzane tied aflame to raise your kids.
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		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rocketman is actually how he answered the telephone when I called a couple minutes ago, so I thought I'd pull this one out.
		So he said, Rocketman!
		His name is Kai Michelson.
		And here's a little info on Kai.
		Speed and danger have always fascinated Kai Michelson since attempting to fly as a child to get his folks by leaping off a hill with two ironing boards attached to his bike.
		I never thought of that.
		Descending his best friend off the top of Toronto's soaring CN Tower, Kai has broken a multitude of records and almost every bone in his body, performing daring feats of all sorts, rigging hundreds of stunts and special effects with his diversified background.
		Kai regarded as one of the most creative stuntmen in the television and motion picture industry today, a native of Minnesota.
		His professional career began by the age of 15 when he got behind the wheel of the first race car.
		For the next 15 years, he went on racing motorcycles, dragsters, rocket-powered cars, snowmobiles.
		He's set 72 national and international speed records.
		He's become the highest-paid drag racer in the country.
		In addition, Guy also pioneered the new development of rocket-powered engines.
		Racing one of his specially designed vehicles, Kitty O'Neill raced 1,320 feet in only 3.72 seconds.
		Oh my God.
		Officially traveling at 396 miles an hour in 3.72 seconds.
		Guy's penchant for rockets expended well beyond the world of racing.
		He put his rocket engines on everything from roller skates to canoes.
		His work in this area led to the nickname Rocket Man and a coveted file in the Smithsonian for his developments to hydrogen peroxide rocket racing.
		Do you remember that wonderful movie, October Sky?
		Oh God, what a great movie that was.
		He built all the rockets for October Sky.
		His most memorable stunt, one that resembled his childhood flying fiasco, took place at the world's tallest freestanding structure, Dar Robinson, Hollywood's number one stuntman, was featured in ABC's 60-minute special titled The World's Most Spectacular Stuntman.
		Kai was responsible for designing all of those stunts.
		After countless tests, weather interferences, and sleepless nights, Kai sent his friend off the top of the CM Tower in Toronto.
		To catch Dara's 1,200-foot fall as he neared the ground, Kai included a 1-8-inch steel cable.
		How dangerous was Kai's most spectacular stunt?
		Well, less than one minute after Robinson safely touched the ground, the wind, the wind, snapped the cable.
		He formed a company in 1969 called Hollywood Suntmasters.
		With over 30 years experience as a stuntman, stunt coordinator with special effects, he's worked with shows like Live, Live and Die in L.A., Stick, Drop Dead Fred, Sharky's Machine, Purple Haze, Catch Me If You Can, The Bridge Scanners 3, 17 times on That's Incredible Live, The World's Greatest Stunts, The Ultimate Challenge, Super Stunt 1 and 2, World's Most Spectacular, Stuntman, America's Most Wanted, Unsolved Mysteries, also a member of the Stuntman's Hall of Fame.
		Currently, Kai is the program director and launch director of Civilian Space Exploration Team, CSXT.
		The CSXT team is going to be the first of a number of civilian-based groups that are going to attempt to send a rocket into space and have it return to Earth safely with a full recovery.
		Mike Heim Michelson coming right up.
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		You are listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2002.
		To Coast AM from August 1st, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's some introduction.
		Here's Kuy Michelson, Rocket Man, huh?
		That's how you answered the phone, right?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's it, Ern.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing all right.
		Now, you know, take me back a little bit.
		I was reading this, and I tried a number of schemes to fly when I was young.
		All of them failed, some of them tragically, some of them with continuing implications of broken bones.
		But I never thought about two ironing boards.
		I used umbrellas.
		It was awful.
		It didn't work.
		But ironing boards, that's on a bicycle yet.
		That's pretty good stuff.
		Do ironing boards provide any lift whatsoever?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Not a lot.
		Then we added a jump.
		But how I first started that, my father had a book.
		It was called The Book of Colliers.
		And in there was a picture of a man sitting on top of a wooden rocket with a leather helmet on.
		And then the next picture below it said, and he lived the telephone.
		The question is, where was he going?
		This is back in the 20s when really the only motors that you had was black powder.
		And so I got inspired with rockets.
		And, well, I was young at the time.
		And so the next best thing to flying was to put my mom's ironing boards on my bicycle and pedal down the hill where I went to school as fast as I could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, did you get any lift?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, as you got going faster and faster, could you detect any lift at all?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Only when I hit the jump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The jump?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, yeah, see, because we built a little curve into the hill that we went off of.
		But yeah, you know, that's what I'm doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you were going down a hill.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Down the hill hand peddling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then so then at some great rate of speed, you sort of went over a lift, launching yourself.
unidentified		Yep.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Young boy.
		And my mom bought me where I got a chemistry scent from Santa Claus, and that started the whole deal.
		And I eventually learned how to make black powder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I thought October Sky was maybe one of the best movies I've ever seen in my life.
		I mean, it was really just a superb, superb, inspiring movie.
		God, it was a great movie.
		And you really built the rockets?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Homer Hickel, that was his life story.
		And well, a number of The Rocket Boys.
		But, yeah, I built The Miss Riley and some of the other smaller rockets for that.
		As a matter of fact, I have some of the original rockets right here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you do?
		One of my life's dreams, and you know, I understand that to actually launch rockets, you've got to get licensed.
		You've got to pass tests and get licensed to do that, don't you?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll tell you what, it's more red tape.
		You know, you hear of a lot of people that want to launch rockets in the space, amateurs.
		And we consider ourselves as an amateur.
		I mean, we have a ton of experience, but you have to go through the Space Transportation Department, the FAA, you have to go through the BLM, the Barrel Land Management.
		You have to go through an environmental impact study.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, then you obviously are going to be the person that I can ask who will be able to answer this question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't necessarily, even though I'd love to launch rockets, I just want to get a really big rocket and put it on my front lawn.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you what, if you go on my website, I sell a rocket that's 20 feet tall called.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's my baby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The big kahuna?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		The big kahuna.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's on your website?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, on my website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much is the big kahuna?
unidentified		900 bucks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, could the big kahuna sit majestically on my front lawn without licensing?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		It's when you'll send it up is when the problems start.
		Actually, the problems really don't start until you really go into space.
		Above 100,000 feet is when you start dealing with the veteran.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll get to that.
		We'll get to all that.
		But I mean, I could buy a big huna, and would it come, and I'd have to put it together, I suppose, huh?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		It's a kit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long would it take me to put together?
unidentified		Probably.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I'd put together one in six hours, but I would say, you know, a couple days off and on, you can put it together.
		It's a project.
		I mean, it's a project.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would the Big Hunter sit out there reasonably well, or would it need, like, a gantry?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		You'd have to have something to hold it up, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd have to have a gantry.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so, or a launch rod.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, if you get the big kojuna, does that come with a gantry or is it a hundred?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		You'd have to build something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to build your own gantry.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, or a base, some kind of a base that you could put it on also, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like a concrete base?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, rest a concrete base and a slant on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I always just figured, Kai, that just having it out there on the front lawn would keep my neighbors straight.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have one on my roof of my house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the roof of your house?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		It's been out of gadget for years.
		It's like a vocal button.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to do it.
		I'm going to do it, Kai.
		All right.
		So then you actually sell rockets.
		Sure.
		Oh.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's Rocketman Enterprise.
		We also sell rocket kits and things like that.
		And, you know, amateur rocketry is really a great hobby.
		You know, we're a little bit above that with our, of course, with our space shot stuff.
		But, you know, there's got to be 15,000, 20,000 people that belong to a couple of organizations here in the United States.
		One is NAR and the other one is Tripoli.
		And one of the neat things about this, both these organizations, nobody's ever been killed in 15 years launching rockets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of getting killed, Kai, there's another fellow I've interviewed twice now in Oregon, calls himself Rocket Man, or other people call him Rocket Man.
		And he intends to launch himself into space.
		Well, actually, not into space, but into a very high altitude and then very near space and then return.
		And he's building this rocket.
		I mean, he's got pictures on his website.
		And do you think this guy is going to kill himself?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		He's never going to launch that rocket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't think so?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		No.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		You know, he has not dealt with FAA nor the Space Transportation Department.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he claims that he might not.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, if he doesn't, let me tell you something.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		It's $100,000 fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, he's wealthy.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's going to need that to get him out of prison also because there's also a prison term.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, really?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		I mean, that's serious.
		I've seen that project.
		I wouldn't go with the hydrogen peroxide that he's talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, why?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		He's changed because of the way the propellant, and it doesn't produce enough power compared to a solid motor.
		And the hydrogen peroxide weighs, I think, something around 13 pounds per gallon.
		The specific impulse is off on it, so it's not a real good way of doing it.
		And also, the peroxide itself, it's hard to get, hard to store.
		I mean, I've messed around with hydrogen peroxide motors for years and years and years.
		So I've got over 700 firings of hydrogen peroxide motors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so they do work.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, they do work, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm assuming that he's going to ignore the government.
		And he made certain sounds, if you read Between the Lines, sounded like that's exactly what he's going to do.
		He's just going to launch.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wish him luck.
		I'll tell you that because it would be a piece of history.
		It's a heck of a project.
		I mean, my hat's off to anybody that tries it because it's a tough deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, let's face it, people have done these things, you know, in defiance of authorities previously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People have climbed buildings and done all kinds of stunts, right, Tom?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've been there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Done that, and then have the police waiting for you on the other end?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, we start talking a little bit further out about our project we just launched in June or where we had to launch, we had to scrub because of the winds of the Black Rock.
		We'll talk a little bit more about the federal government.
		You'll find out it's a pretty tough deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what this fellow up in Oregon has said, is a tough deal, and he might as well just go ahead and do it and accept the consequences, and it's a once-in-a-lifetime thing, so he's going to do it.
		Question is, do you think he's going to live if he does it?
		Is he going to live or is he going to die?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you what, he better have a pretty good test program because I myself, I'm willing To bet any amount of money with anybody on that deal, that he will never do it.
		And I wish him luck, but I just don't believe he's going to do it.
		What he really gets right down to doing it, I don't think he'll do it.
		I think he'll sell a lot of toys by the time it's over with, but launching that rocket, I don't believe it.
		I looked at the design a number of times when he first started, and he wasn't even close.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, yeah, but he's gone through a lot of changes since.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, he has.
		In the right direction, too, by the way.
		But I wish him luck.
		I'm just telling you, it's, you know, without being a stuntman, without really laying your life on the line, you really, really don't know about it.
		I mean, you look at Evil Kenido.
		I mean, he is a stunt man.
		I mean, he was been around for a long time.
		But when he climbed into that rocket, I want to tell you something.
		And he was scared.
		And he had every reason to be scared because you don't know if you're going to be alive in the next couple of seconds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you referring to the one where he made the jump that didn't go?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the Snake Canyon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Snake Canyon, yeah, he came down about midway, right?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you know, if that was done, that would have probably been the easiest and most safe, if done right.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		It would have been the easiest and the safest jump he ever made.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Usually stunt people aren't taking as much of a personal risk as they would have the public believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, they've usually tested this kind of thing out.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Test and test.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Test and test, right?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Over and over and over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what went wrong at Snake Canyon?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, they didn't test that particular rocket.
		Actually, the fellow that built the rocket motor itself was a pretty sharp guy, but the vehicle design was horrible.
		I mean, I saw that vehicle, and I just kind of shook my head.
		But the fact is that Evil did jump into that, and he did push the button.
		My hat's off to him on that.
		And that took a lot of guts to do that.
		But, you know, he stuck his neck out there many, many times in your life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, knowing as much about rockets as you do, you would not have done that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you might have?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I would have done it with the propulsion system, but not the vehicle.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you have used?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I would have built a vehicle much different than that.
		The thing where they ran the problems that I understand is they had a deadman switch where he had a lever and he'd hold his arm forward.
		And if he was to pass out, of course, his arm would come back and deploy the chutes.
		Well, when you get about five G's put on you or more than that, there ain't no way you're going to be holding your hand out in front of you.
		And what happened as soon as the rocket motor lit, well, I said it was steam, it was actually Steam and took the motor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		His arm came back and the parachute opened up.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not that it didn't necessarily work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's that they didn't think about 5G in his arm.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Actually, he came real close to going across the canyon.
		The wind blew him back.
		And I'll tell you what, pulling that parachute was the most dangerous thing he ever did.
		Well, I think you don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think landing or maybe crashing more likely would be even more dangerous.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you had some of a roll cage type in there, and I don't know if he's fallen at 15 feet per second, but I would assume that that would be.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, guys crashing cars at 200, 300 miles an hour all the time will walk away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you give him big points for pushing the button.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I add it to evil.
		I know evil.
		I add it to him, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		what is it that would make somebody do something like that?
		I mean, is it a total disregard for...
		I mean, is it a disregard for life or is it just like narcotic, you know, that you've just got to keep putting your life on the line?
		What is it?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's like that spinning saw blade that, you know, you're told don't touch or don't touch the hot stove.
		It's kind of the same deal.
		Well, I dare you.
		And there is a little bit of that, but I'll tell you, the stunts out there right now in this day and age are very well thought out and very well engineered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but even all that said, I still want to know, really, is it that I mean, I just cannot contemplate, well, I have done things like that.
		I was much younger, dumber.
		I was much dumber then, and I did some things like that.
		And how old are you now?
unidentified		I'm 63, but I'm a pretty young 63-year-old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		63?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you've done this right up until the age when most people begin to notice that they are mortal.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, still going.
		Well, I'm lucky I have a young wife.
		That helps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't feel like I should ask why, but why?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, to keep up with me, I just have a tremendous amount of energy all the time.
		I mean, I'm going all the time.
		I've always got four or five things happening around my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How young is your wife?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		My wife's 31.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		31?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're just into taking all kinds of chances, aren't you?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, look at that thing.
		Well, we've been married for some time now, so it seems to be going pretty well.
		I'm pretty blessed to have the wife that I do have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, when you finally saw October Sky, were you as moved by that movie as most everybody else was?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Very much so.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I've seen it at least 10 times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very much so.
		I've seen it going on probably 10 times.
		All right, Kai Michelson, hold it right there.
		He built most of the rockets in October Sky.
		What a movie that was.
		And he's planning to launch a rocket into space.
		And I've got to go look at the Big Kahuna.
		For years, I have wanted to put a really big rocket right out on my front lawn.
		I didn't know if I'd need a license for that, but I guess it's like a gun.
		It's not loaded.
		There's nobody around here to know that.
		So cool out there.
		So that's what I'm going to be doing, I guess.
		Building a rocket.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
		Through the night, like it's freight training.
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		More somewhere in time coming up.
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		Took a look around there with a little whim with a little girl in a Hollywood bungalow.
		Are you a lucky little lady in the city of night?
		Or did you run a long thing y'all?
		City of night.
		City of night.
		Like she did one thousand times before.
		Don't you love her ways?
		Tell me what you say.
		Don't you love her as she's walking out the door?
		All your love.
		love All your love is born Yeah,
		don't you love her Don't you love her now?
		We take you back to the past on Art Bell somewhere in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've got to ask real quick hey Kyle the front of your website there that that rocket where it says Rocketman is that Big Kahuna?
unidentified		No, you got to dig into it dig into that stay right there.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		You'll see different models in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we'll go to Big Kahuna in a minute.
unidentified		I got to see that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's going to my front yard.
unidentified		question about it.
		Be on the march.
		Be on the march.
		But now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell Once again, here's Kai Michelson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Kai, I'm on your website, and I see where it says like rocket kits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what I click on?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Click on it, and you'll see the big kahuna in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, which one's a big kahuna?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see from left to right, purple, sort of reddish, something or another, red, then.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		It's a blue and yellow.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		If you click on it, if on the left-hand side you go in, there's hybrid dart, DR Hero, Firefly, Skyhog.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Enter Velocity.
		See, I'm kind of...
		I see all these different rockets here.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, if you click right onto that, it's in blue, light blue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Light blue.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Dark blue and the light blue on top of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I'm going to keep trying.
		I'll keep trying because I want to see this thing.
		I'll just keep trying.
		All right, look, you attached...
		I guess before you built rockets you built bombs?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I had a chemistry set.
		I was young.
		You know, nowadays, you can't talk.
		Nowadays, you can't even think pipe bombs.
		Because, you know, back in the 50s and the 60s, kids played with that kind of stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		And it was no big deal.
		But now you have a lot of, you know, people out there that want to hurt people.
		But, you know, back then, it was no big deal to make things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, I tried to build rockets, and I built bombs.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Because you probably didn't have a nozzle big enough.
unidentified		And actually, a rocket is nothing more than a control explosion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what I use for fuel?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ohio blue-tip matches.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I found out, though, is that when you're packing them into the body of the rocket, they hit each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when they do, you know, the entire thing goes off.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to say over the air the right way to do it.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		But you were right on the right track.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it produced a wonderful thrust, actually.
		Except usually my nozzles destroyed themselves.
		And then on occasion when I built a nozzle that wouldn't destroy itself, then it was a bomb.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you need some ceramic nozzle or even the same like a lead pencil, a graphite is actually the ideal thing to build the nozzles out of.
		Really?
		That'll withstand the heat, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If only I had known, it would have saved a limb of my mother's rug in her living room.
		Now you put rockets on all kinds of things like bicycles.
		You put rockets on a wheelchair?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's in my website.
		There's someplace.
		We build a twin-engine rocket-powered Harley, snowmobiles.
		I mean, you know, a number of rocket cars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would you put rockets on a wheelchair, though?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I built a special wheelchair.
		If you look at my website, it's in there someplace.
		All aluminum monocoque wheelchair.
		It's a pretty cool piece.
unidentified		Did somebody actually...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How fast can a wheelchair go?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've gone over 75 in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Over 75 miles an hour.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a wheelchair.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in a wheelchair.
		With a parachute coming out the back.
		I got a small R7 chute on it.
		In fact, I'll tell you what, if you watch Ripley's, Believe It or Not, you know, like when they're in between the commercials and they come back and they show part of that, you'll see me in that wheelchair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Silver Oyo.
		They've used that graphic vendor for a long time.
		I was on there, well, I don't know, like, two years ago or something for that rocket part wheelchair, but you'll see me actually on there.
		Why did you do that?
		Well, I tell you what, I like rockets, and I found out if you put a rocket on anything, it would go faster.
		That's the bottom line of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, sure.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, like I say, we've made a lot of different rocket motors through the years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever see that Urban Legend thing about the guy who put the Jado rockets on it?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's not true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not true?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		No, as a matter of fact, there's a show called The Urban Legend, and they just recreated that stunt.
		I put a bid on it, but I was a little high, so I didn't get it.
		So somebody else got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean so you got a bid on the stunts?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's how it works?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, they say, look, we want somebody to put rockets on this car and crash it into the side of the mountain to like this urban legend, and then you get to bid on that.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		First off, that motor has approximately 1,000 pounds of thrust, and for like 15 seconds thereabouts, that won't give you the kind of speed in a 3,000 or 4,000-pound car.
		But I will tell you, there's a guy by the name of Bobby Tatcho, he's passed away now, and Walt Arphons that built a car called the Wingfoot Express.
		It had 24 Jado bottles on, and it went just under 500 miles an hour at the Salt Flats.
		And if you look at my website, you'll see it in there.
		So that's 24.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, 24, Jado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Out of a matter of curiosity, when you're in a car and you're just about to push the button on a rocket motor, what goes through your mind, like just in that split second before you go ahead and do it?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you what, your heart's pounding, and you know it's dangerous, and it's kind of like eyeballs in and eyeballs out.
		You accelerate so hard that it hurts, and then the parachute deploys is about 13 G's, reverse G's, and it's scary.
		Years ago, there was a number of rocket cars around the country running drag strips, and a number of people were killed, unfortunately.
		I knew every single one of them that was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got to know when you press that switch, this could be it.
unidentified		The end.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		You know, we were talking about the other rocket a little bit ago.
		One of the main things you have to have is stability once that it launches.
		Like all the military and stuff like that, or NASA, all their rockets, they all have these small guidance rockets and gyros and things that stabilize.
		And our premiere is Space Shot 2002, for example.
		That rocket's going to go 500 miles an hour in just under a half a second.
		Those G-forces that you need to actually stabilize that rocket, those G-forces will kill you.
		That's the bottom line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you've got to be able to...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was very worried about this launch phase.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		He should be worried.
		I wish him luck.
		They were talking about launching this coming or last March or whatever, and I bet a couple of my friends.
		There's no way he's going to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard a story that you saw apparently some junked rocket being trucked out of Edwards Air Force Base.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you really stop the driver and pay him off and take it home?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		That's the one I had on my roof of my house.
		And what the interesting part of that is, I always thought it was a Phoenix Missile.
		And actually, it was off of the SR-71, which was the fastest plane we built.
		It was capable of going well over 3,000 miles an hour.
		They also had another plane that was just like it.
		It was made to carry this rocket.
		And that rocket is the one that was coming out of Edwards Air Force Base.
		I tracked the guy down.
		I chased him down.
		I reached in my pocket.
		I pulled like $275, $300, whatever.
		We covered it up, brought it down a dirt road, covered it up with cardboard, a bunch of tumbleweed.
		I went back to Los Angeles, picked up my race car trailer, and brought it back.
		I wrapped it up in cardboard and sent it home on Western Airlines.
		Well, can you imagine what would happen if I did that in the day in Asia?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, yeah, sure.
		Wait a minute.
		What was this trucker going to do with the rocket?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, what happened, they had bought all the scrap out of Edwards Air Force Base.
		I mean, there was, you know, stainless steel tanks and braided lines and dorm regulators, and they just bought this whole lot.
		And that was sitting on the top of it.
		I just, when I saw that, I thought I was in heaven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, they were going to probably melt it down for scrap.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		that's what the government does and so you bought the thing you hit it and then and So this came off an SR-71?
		Yeah, the same.
		That's not exactly the numbers.
		It's called YDF something.
		They built one with a Bombay door in it.
		But that was a very top-secret project back then.
		And, you know, I had some people stop by and talk to me about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can imagine.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, the thing is, you know, the government, they've done it many times.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		People have come in and bought computers and stuff like that from other countries, and all kinds of space hardware has been sold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I imagine a lot of people have asked you if the rocket on your roof is active.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I've heard it.
		Yeah, I kind of, years ago I used to tell the kids, well, maybe the 4th of July or something But, you know, no, the propulsion system's out of it now.
		But, you know, all the brains and the electronics are still in that thing.
		I'm going to restore it one of these days.
		A friend of mine told me it should be in the Smithsonian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a very, very rare rocket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've been involved in a lot of movies, haven't you?
		Yes.
		The movie industry came to you.
		I mean, how did all that happen?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I started racing cars at a young age, and you just start meeting people.
		And later on, actually, because I dabbled in the business, and I got hooked up with a fellow by the name of Dar Robinson, and a friend of mine, Jim Deist, who makes parachutes and stuff, he says, you know, you two got to get together.
		And we got together, we decided to do the biggest stunts that were ever performed in Hollywood.
		And at the time, the only thing you really saw in movies like Bullet and stuff like that, you really didn't see high falls, fire gags, and the stuff that you see on the screen now.
		And we developed the descenders and accelerators for jumping off large buildings.
		When guys were jumping 30, 40 feet into cardboard boxes, Dar jumped over 310 feet into an airbag that we made specifically for him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, actually, what was this thing you did with Dar off the highest building in Canada or something?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the CN Tower, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I was trying to figure that out.
unidentified		A 1-8-inch steel cable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, why would you jump off?
		I mean, you see people jumping with bungee cables.
		Now, I understand that, because bungee, you know, it pulls you back up, theoretically, and then bounces you, but a steel cable would seem like it would just rip off your foot and you'd crash.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're attached, you have a very good harness that's on you first off.
		And the eighth-inch cable, yes, if I hit the brakes too hard, it would snap like a fish line.
		But, I mean, that's what made it a stunt.
		That's what made it depth-defying.
		That's why we sold to ABC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but how does a steel cable stretch to decelerate?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't.
		There was a cam setup that was built into this device where the brake would start coming on easily.
		But there's a whole big story behind that.
		You know, what really happened there and how we finally pulled it off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, just give me the capsule version.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it says here, the wind broke the cable like a minute after he hit the wind.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		That's true.
		It did happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The wind?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		The wind itself.
		You've got to realize at that point where it was at was about 1,700 feet of cable out.
		It was hanging over the side, and the wind itself, it snapped up on top.
		It came down like a million bullwhips.
		I mean, there wasn't, this thing was snapping the pavement and chipping the marble is where the water is.
		It's all different there because of the ballpark there now.
		But they used to have this pond that was around there.
		And this stuff was dancing and snapping.
		I'll tell you, if we were still standing there, we would have been all cut in half.
		I mean, it was a scary, frightening thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what did Dora have to say about all this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, after.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got to realize that he just, Kathy Lee Crosby said to him right after he did the stunt, he says, well, what do you think was different?
		What did you think?
		How was it?
		He says, I thought I was going to die.
		You know, because he really thought he was going to die.
		If I could tell you a little bit about that, that night before the jump, I went up to his room.
		And I said, Dar, I says, how do you feel about the stunt?
		And he says, guy, I don't know.
		And so I said, because he was my best friend at the time.
		And I told him, I said, Dar, I'll tell you what.
		I'll go up there tonight and shove the equipment over the side of the building.
		And he said, you do that for me?
		I said, you're my buddy.
		I said, it's not worth it.
		And he says, well, I'll think about it.
		So the next morning, we met down at 6 o'clock in the morning to rig the harness up.
		And nobody in the whole team said nothing.
		It was very, very quiet.
		We put the harness on him and balanced him up.
		We went up this elevator.
		And when we were taking them up the elevator, I actually felt like I was taking somebody to his death and death roll.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like the crew thought he was going to die, too.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		It was a scary deal.
		And so anyways, the CN Tower's big car, a curved building up on top, and the director hollers action.
		And Dar and I start coming into the frame of the camera.
		And before we got there, Darr grabbed me by the shoulder and he says to me, Hi, if I bounce, I want every camera out there busted.
		I don't want to be on the front page of nobody's paper.
		And I says, Dar, what are you saying?
		What are you saying, Dar?
		And I started, and of course the director is going, action, action, because they're rolling film.
		And it's very expensive.
		So anyways, I take about two more steps and he says, I'll tell you what, if performing autopsy on me, if I hit, they're going to find sand in my eyes, because I'm going to keep my eyes open till I hit the ground.
		And when he told me that, by the time we came into the camera frame, I mean, I was shaking.
		I was shaken more than him.
		And he sat on the edge of the building, and he says, Kai, I love you guys.
		And he jumped.
		I didn't think he was going to jump.
		And he jumped.
		And what had happened was this device, the CAM device that I told you, we had some mechanical problems with that.
		So then we hooked up a couple of hand brakes, hydraulic brakes onto it that were manipulated by me.
		Now, if I was to pull him too hard too quick, it would snap that line just like a fish line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, yeah.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		And so we had a guy lay over the side of the building there, Gary, and he was laying over the side and watching him fall.
		Now, mind you, he's falling almost a quarter mile.
		I mean, it's a long fall.
		And he would start sucking in towards the building.
		See, the problem is this building, the way it was shaped, when the wind would hit the building, it would cause a vortex.
		And it would swirl us.
		So the wind itself was always at it.
		It changed all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, Canada Sand Tower, as big as that is, how do you get permission?
		I mean, the movie people, whoever, they go and they say, look, we want to do this something where we're going to have this guy jump off your building.
		You know, knowing that it might fail, you would think the authorities in the building would say, get lost.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		No, they were very happy because they got a tremendous amount of worldwide exposure from that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the way it turned out, yeah.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, well, you know, if something happened, something happened.
		In fact, if you go to the CN Tower and go up, there is a big plaque up there in photos of that jump.
		It's been there for years.
		So they're still proud of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So who do you have to get permission from to do something like that?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, all the way.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		You have to go through the highest echelon of the, you know, And the insurance is really the big thing, is getting the insurance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		drop money here and there?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, sometimes.
		You know, sometimes.
		You've got to talk to them.
unidentified		I'm done.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		But anyways, yeah, you know, I mean, that sometimes you just have to talk to people that, you know, they do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, people do that.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they do it.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the production companies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you have done that, Joe?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		No.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		You know, like I told you, I didn't think he was going to do it.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		And there's not too many people that I know that would do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was that used then in a movie?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		No, it was used in an ABCC special live, the World's Most Spectacular.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of curiosity, what's something like that worth to the jumpee?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		We got a quarter million dollars for that stem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of money.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		It's a lot of money.
		You know, the people will say to me, well, why do you risk your life?
		You know, how far, what do you have to do to make $60,000?
		You know, a man that makes $60,000 in a year and he goes to work all those times, he's going to be at more risk than we are to stick our neck out for 30 seconds and make $60,000.
		And some of the bigger, larger high falls that we did, like in Stick and Sharky's Machine, those were what the payoffs were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're claiming that the reason is because it's all tested so well beforehand, you know, or you think you know, exactly what's going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What percentage of those high-risk jumps go wrong?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't know the percentage.
		It's a very small percentage, but probably the most dangerous thing that you can do is a high fall.
		There's been a number of people who have actually gone right through the airbag or have missed the airbag.
		And, you know, every couple of years it just seems like I hear somebody that's lost their life.
		And, you know, nowadays with all the special effects and things that they're doing digitally, it really doesn't make sense to have a man or woman risk their life in that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they got this new show with something called Gear Girl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if you've seen that.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't seen that one yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gear Girl jumps off this building into a, you know, she's saying, well, you're on a burning building, you know, and your life is at risk.
		And Gear Girl jumps off into a trash dumpster, which it looks to me like it's loaded with packing peanuts and stuff like that.
		Sure.
		So you're not going to likely find one with packing peanuts in it.
		But could you really save your life jumping off six or eight stories into a trash dumpster?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can't have the cardboard boxes.
		That was what, I mean, that's what they used to do.
		They used to stack cardboard boxes.
		And, I mean, the guys have jumped 60 feet into cardboard boxes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'd have to know how many cardboard boxes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you a funny story.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I worked with Prince one time, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Prince?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Prince, you know, the musician.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		And he had high heels on.
		And when they were all leaving, the band would leave the stage, they would jump into an airbag.
		So I had to teach him how to do a high fall into an airbag with high heels on.
		I thought that was pretty good humor at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		High heels.
		Kai Michelson, hold it right there, all right?
		We're going to take a break.
		We'll be right back from the high desert.
		I'm Argo.
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		of light this is premier networks that was art bell hosting coast to coast a m on this somewhere in time back in the u.s back in the bad old days in the heat of a summer night in the land of the dollar bill when the town of chicago dies they talk about it still when
		When a man named El Capone tried to make that town his own.
		I feel so warm, I'm in my connection, I had a second chance.
		Yeah, there's a storm on the moon, a siren in my head.
		Grab the blue signs and talk to get the dead.
		Can I be cold, my whole life spins into a grand bed.
		Now my seventh year's twilight zone, the head's in my house.
		Here's my key song, my key comes in blue, black and moon and star.
		Where am I going now that I fall too far?
		You were gone and gone, for the bullet and the bone.
		You were gone and gone, when the bullet hits the bone.
		I'm falling down the spiral, just permission unknown.
		Double-block messenger all along.
		You can't get no connection, can't get through.
		Where are you?
		Well, the night's with heavy on his guilty mind.
		Heads far from the borderline.
		When the head's with heavy on his head.
		He knows that well he has been cheated.
		How he ran.
		Now my seventh year's twilight zone.
		The head's in my house, the feet of my feet fall.
		I've become a girl, down the moon and star.
		When I know that I'm in a long part.
		You were gone and gone.
		When the bullet hits the bone.
		When you were gone and gone.
		When the bullet hits the bone.
		You were listening to the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		to art bell somewhere in time tonight featuring coast to coast a.m. from august 1st 2002 well i found it the big kahuna here it is uh let's see it weighs 55 pounds its diameter is 11 feet 41 inches it's uh it's a it's 19 feet 7 inches tall that's perfect it's got three fins uh and you can read all about it that's big kahuna and that just go oh so well in my front yard it's according
		to his website uh 875 dollars that that one's going right out front baby right out front i'm Art Bell my guest is Kai Michelson.
		be right back.
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		First of all, I want to just thank you for bringing everyone out here to Corneaucopia just phenomenal knowledge.
		I don't know of anyone else that I've ever listened to at radio that just fills my brain and stimulates me.
		You know, I was listening to the show and I thought to myself, do you think, George, the common citizen such as you or I, really has any hope towards the future of any privacy or anything else?
		I think we do.
		I think eventually so many people will see the light, see what you see, see what I see, that eventually they're going to say enough is enough.
		And I think that we do have a future and we're going to win in the long run.
		It's going to be bumpy along the way.
		It's not going to be easy, but we will get there.
		That's my take.
		And you know what?
		As long as I can continue on the earwaves and tell people this, I shall.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here is Kai Michelson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kai, welcome back.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		How you doing there, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing just fine.
		And now, listen, I'm told that you are getting ready to or preparing to launch a rocket actually out of the atmosphere, actually into space.
		Can you tell us about that?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we were just out there June 26th, 27th, and 28th, and unfortunately, we had really high winds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were out where?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		In the Black Rock Desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Black Rock Desert.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're fully licensed to do that right now.
		And we were out there, and we had a tremendous amount of problems with the weather out there.
		And unfortunately, my mother passed away that Saturday.
		And so we came back, and we're rescheduling again now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how big a rocket is this?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		This is 20 feet tall.
		It's about maximum 7,000 pounds of thrust for 15 seconds.
		In 15 seconds, it'll go Mach 5.
		And it will go 62 miles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		62 miles up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And obviously you'll have video recording equipment, maybe even a transmitter on board?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we have all kinds of data recorders.
		We have onboard real-time video.
		When it reaches the apogee itself, just beyond that, we have an explosive charge, a lineal charge, where we're going to cut the rocket in half, and out there is going to come a couple of ballistic parachutes.
		And we've got pingers on board.
		We've got two GPS that are going to lock up on it.
		And we know where it's going to land in order for it to come back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if you actually leave the atmosphere, you actually go into space, then what brings it back?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, in order to stay in a space, I mean, what happens is really you need a two-stage rocket, where ours is just going to go into space.
		But to pull away from the gravity of the Earth, you have to be going over 16,000 miles an hour.
		But once you're up there, it takes nothing to do that.
		Well, you know, relatively nothing to do that.
		And eventually that will be what our project is, to actually put a small satellite up.
		But that's an altogether different thing with what we're doing.
		You know, we're amateurs.
		This is not a professional thing for us.
		It's a number of guys and girls that have taken their time and money to put together all the electronics and stuff.
		I built the airframe for it up here in Minneapolis, and the propulsion system is made down in Nevada.
		And we all got together with the same goal, and that's to put a rocket, you know, amateurs to put a rocket in space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the propulsion system?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		It's a solid propellant motor, very similar to what they use on the boosters of the shuttle.
		It's a highly aluminized propellant and ammonium perchlorate.
		And I won't tell the rest of the chemicals, but it's, you know, once you light it, Yeah, it sure did.
		It sure did.
		Probably the most dangerous part of making a motor itself is when you put the aluminum in because of the dust and things like that.
		But we do it in a very safe environment, and we've got experience working with it.
		We started this project in 1995, building smaller motors and building bigger and bigger and bigger, and now we're up to what's known as an S20,000, and that's the largest ever built by amateurs, the largest motor.
		Like if you go and buy like an Estes motor, you've got an A motor, well then if you buy a B motor, that's twice as big as an A, and then if you go to C, that's twice as big, so they multiply in size.
		But this is a very, very large motor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, how do you get permission to launch something of this magnitude?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, we approached the Space Transportation Department in Washington, D.C. approximately three years ago.
		Excuse me, there was a group of people called the Cat's Prize that was out there.
		I don't know if you heard about that or not.
		And they put up a quarter of million dollars for the first civilians to put a rocket in out of space.
		And they flew out to Washington, D.C., and they met with the Space Transportation Department, the FAA, and NASA and a number of other groups.
		And they sat down and said, well, we want to give this prize, but before we give it, we want to make sure that they are not breaking any laws at all.
		So this is kind of how the bureaucrats work.
		So the Space Transportation Department says, well, nobody's flying rockets over 20,000, 25,000 feet.
		And he says, what do you mean?
		The FAA says, what do you mean?
		We gave this guy up in Minneapolis a waiver to fly 100,000 feet.
		And he said, what?
		And it opened up a huge can of worms.
		Because all of a sudden, the Space Transportation Department did not know what the FAA was doing.
		And at that point, they halted even though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One department of our government unaware of what the other is doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It can happen.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		It happened.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it probably happens a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it probably does too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they settled this.
unidentified		How?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, what happened is then the Space Transportation Department was put into place in 1984, I believe, to facilitate people like me to put rockets in space.
		And the bottom line is they never even had a licensing thing.
		I mean, they didn't have a piece of paper if they could send out for me to even fill.
		And there was like 25 members of this cast group that went in there to be licensed.
		And every one of them was so disheartened because of all the red tape that they got in Washington, D.C., that they quit.
		And out of that whole bunch, we were the only ones to go out to the Black Rock Desert and launch a rocket.
		And the rocket that we did launch reached the speed of 3,205 miles an hour, which is the fastest vehicle ever built by a civilian and an amateur.
		And unfortunately, when it reached what's known as Max Q, there was a very bad wind shear.
		And it made the rocket bobble, and it put it under a lot of g-forces, and it ended up breaking the airframe up on it.
		We redesigned the rocket, and so it will be able to withstand those type of g-forces if they come about again.
		But we've also developed all our own weather recording equipment now, and we launch balloons to various altitudes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've got to know if that shear is up there before you launch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I see.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we didn't know it was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is the kind of thing NASA pays a lot of attention to, of course, before they launch.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course they do.
		Normally we would call down to Reno, and they launch balloons there.
		But now we launch a balloon to 5,000 feet, 10,000 feet, and our next one we're going to launch to 40,000 feet.
		So we won't have to be in contact with Reno.
		And that's going to open up our window.
		I mean, believe it or not, this last time we were out, our actual launch windows was just 10 minutes.
		And another interesting story is that we have to contact four airports that block out the 40 square miles that are around where we launch.
		And the last one that we called, they didn't answer the telephone.
		I mean, it was almost like a catch-22.
		And I'm going, what do you mean they don't answer the telephone?
		It took me four days before I reached Phelan Naval Base.
		And they said, why do you have to call here?
		I says, because it's on our list.
		It's something we have to do.
		If we don't, it's a $100,000 fine.
		And he says, this is a quote from him.
		He says, I don't know, but somebody in Washington, D.C. must be smoking some bad weed.
		I asked him his name.
		Couldn't he wouldn't tell me?
		But, I mean, the stuff that they have made us go through to get through these hoops, I doubt in this day and age, the Wright brothers would ever fly if they had to go through these agencies and get all wound up in all this red tape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, through it all, I mean, pushing through the red tape and all the rest of this to get, I mean, why in the world do you actually want to be the first private citizen to put a rocket into space?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I'll tell you, it goes all the way back when I was a young boy, when I went to school.
		I'm totally dyslexic.
		And I was called stupid, dumb, and I don't want your kind around here when I was a young boy.
		And that gave me my personality that I have and the drive that I have.
		And, you know, I hold 72 state national and national speed records and a lot of outer things that I've accomplished in my life that I'm really proud of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you were dyslexic, and they were told, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they thought you were just simply not intelligent.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And they didn't know that back in the 50s.
		They didn't know what it was.
		And they just thought that I caught that attitude or I was dumb or stupid or whatever.
		You know, I flunked first grade.
		I went to summer school all the time.
		I went through all that.
		And, you know, plus what the teachers said to me, it was hard on me when I was a young boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, somebody with that background, and obviously that was a big disadvantage.
		I mean, even if the teachers thought that if you flunk first grade, nobody flunks first grade.
		You flunk first grade.
		So how does somebody like that get from there to rockets?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I pretty much have educated myself.
		To this day, my mind, you know, my mind itself will not allow me to divide.
		I mean, there's a lot of things that I can't do, but if I can't do it, somebody else surely can do it.
		Or that's what you've got computers for, you know.
		But now I love history.
		You know, I love to learn.
		Every day, you know, I watch the Learning Channel or Discovery or History.
		And, I mean, I'm just totally in that.
		I try to keep packing stuff into my brain.
		And, you know, I mean, I just love this.
		And I've done a lot of research in this rocket program.
		Isn't that something we just jumped into?
		And we also have, I mean, when we first started this program out, it was my wife and I. And then Jerry Larson came into it, and then Eric Knight came into it.
		And now there's approximately 30 amateurs that are involved in some of the universities and schools that have built some of the electronic packages for us and the avionics and stuff like that.
		So it's a true amateur project.
		And lo and behold, we have a lot of people that keep coming into it.
		But it costs a lot of money to do this.
		And, you know, I'm retired now.
		I made a fair living in my life.
		But, you know, we're doing a little thing on calling cards.
		You know, like if you put a calling card in there, you know, we charge $50 for that calling card, but it will go into space and we'll sign it and authenticate it.
		And eventually down the road, that's a piece of history.
		And that calling card would be worth a lot of money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		Listen, I'm going to ask you about something pretty far out there.
		You're obviously interested in propulsion systems of all sorts, right?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, in the first hour of the show tonight, which you might not have heard, I read from Jane's Defense Weekly, very credible publication.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The headline is, anti-gravity propulsion comes out of the closet.
		Boeing, the world's largest aircraft manufacturer, has admitted it is now working on experimental anti-gravity projects that could overturn a century of conventional aerospace propulsion technology if the science underpinning them can be engineered into hardware.
		So Boeing is working on anti-gravity.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		So it kind of sounds like flying saucer stuff, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		The theory is out there.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		That's going to be a fun deal if that happens because that's going to open up a can of worms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, at the very least, it has implications for energy needs for this country because that kind of propulsion system, of course, would create energy in a way that we really, really, really, really need right now.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I've seen another real interesting propulsion system, and that's using a laser.
		And I was at a seminar where they actually had like a small flying saucer that was made out of titanium, and they hit it up on the rod, and they spun it with air, and then they fired the laser.
		And this thing was actually flying.
		The problem is the heat was so high that it was way up in the air when it disintegrated.
		It just turned the spark, boom, and disappeared.
		And titanium can withstand a tremendous amount of heat.
		So then that last thing I heard that they were going to be making a ceramic one and then going over to Russia because they're supposed to have the most powerful lasers in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, Russia is where this technology came from that Boeing is proceeding with right now.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From Russia.
		Why would all of this be good?
		Maybe it's because it got less red tape.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, interesting here with this rocket project here.
		Yes.
		Because I'm an American, I cannot go out 12 miles out in international water and launch that rocket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Because the government says I can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can go out 12 miles out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can gamble if you want to.
unidentified		Yeah.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		But they don't allow me.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I cannot go to any other country and do it.
unidentified		Because as an American citizen, it's the law.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Because from what I understand is that this country wanted to agreement with other countries that they would be responsible for anything that's launched from this country.
		And so that opens.
		That's just another great big huge can of worms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		But you wouldn't be launching from this country.
		You'd be launching from 12 miles out or even some other foreign nation.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Because I'm taking that technology.
		I'm telling you.
		That's what it's about.
		And it makes no sense at all.
		You know, it says I'm an American.
		I'm a proud American.
		You know, this thing that we're doing, this premier space shop 2002, you know, if we don't do it, another country is going to do it.
		You know, it's like back when we got caught with our pants down when Sputnik went out.
		We could have done that.
		No.
		Because, you know, I mean, it goes all the way back to Goddard, you know.
		I mean, Goddard, you know, the father of liquid motors.
		I mean, our country, you know, our government wouldn't listen to me at first.
		He just thought he was some kind of kook playing out in his backyard, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm actually old enough to remember listening to the terrifying beeps that they were playing on the radio saying this was from an orbiting Russian space satellite.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I remember it well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sat there in my living room listening to that, horrified, with everybody else saying, oh, my God, America's done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		Yep.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		And we got caught with our pants down.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		You know, the government should be actually, you know, they should be encouraging people for it, like me and I, in our group, to do this.
unidentified		Because, you know, there's always something to learn.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, if I don't do it, then another country, somebody from another country, and there's going to be one more thing that wasn't done in this country just because we are suppressed by the government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, NASA is not the world.
		As proud as I am of what NASA has done, mostly past history, to put all our eggs in one basket, NASA's, just seems not like it's not American.
		I mean, in America, you know, we're individualistic, we're rugged, we're supposed to be able to do what we want to do.
		Have we made a terrible mistake by wrapping everything around NASA?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		You know, the way I look at it, I mean, you know, they developed a tremendous amount of technology and all.
		There's no doubt about it.
		But I look at it as this.
		There's a bunch of guys in NASA that they will not let us play with their toys.
		They got the toys.
		They won't let us play with the toys.
		You know, we pay for the toys, but...
		you know to them it's not our toys you know that's the way that I look at it and if I you know if a bunch of amateurs can build a rocket put it into space recover it for under under $200,000 Maybe they don't want to be shown up.
		Oh, we're going to show them up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But maybe that's what their motive is, that they know it can be done, and they don't want somebody out there, some Tom, Dick, Harry, or Kai.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course they know it can be done.
		And, you know, we need to be regulated.
		There's got to be a certain license.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some regulations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Some regulations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, Kai.
		Kai, hold on.
		We've got to take a break.
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		Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ty Michelson is my guest, an internationally known stuntman rocket builder.
		He's the guy who built most of the rockets for October Sky, which was one of the best movies I've ever seen.
		He's really some.
		He's people jumping off buildings and building rockets on wheelchairs and bicycles and you name it.
		He's built a lot of rockets.
		Now he's building one that's going to space and coming back.
		We'll get right back to him.
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		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music Now, I have no idea whether it was Kay Michaelson's company or some other company, but I was contacted some time ago.
		Kayat has not come to fruition yet, but a company was going to launch some stuff into space, and they contacted me, and they wanted me to be the spokesperson for their commercials, and they said we would be willing to launch something for you into space, you know, for doing this.
		And my wife and I talked about it.
		We're going to have the first gold wedding bands, simple gold wedding bands that we got when we got married.
		We're going to have those put together one inside the other into the eternity symbol and launch those.
		In fact, we've done that.
		They're ready.
		And I was just wondering if you know, are there others working on?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		There's a number of people.
		And, you know, but most of them have been discouraged, like I say, in the licensing process.
		And as a matter of fact, you can be my guest and come out when we launch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd love to.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		If you'd like to do that, if you want me to put up anything for you, I'll do it.
unidentified		And where are you going to launch, huh?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Black Rock.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		That's about 120 miles north of Reno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't do that.
		I can do that.
		Now, when?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I can't.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Off the air, I can give you the date.
unidentified		Oh, you can?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Off the air, I can't because we can only have 45 people out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that all?
unidentified		Yep.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Why?
		Because of the danger.
		You know, really interesting, I had the Space Transportation Department came out to BlackRock, and I asked them what their main concern is.
unidentified		I mean, there is nothing, nothing out there.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		And I said, so how many stop signs have you seen on the way up here?
		Just kind of be facetious.
		I said, you tell me what your main concern is.
		And he says, protecting the public.
		I said, don't give me that garbage.
		If that's the case, you would stop every air show where they send supersonic fireplanes over the heads of 100,000 people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you saw the big accident in Russia, right?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Every year people are killed.
		And you know, I cannot have one person downrange.
		You know, it's all right for the shuttle to launch, you know, and that's not no 26 miles away.
		So everybody has to be down on the other side.
		I mean, that's how much they have restricted us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would be honored to come.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really, I would.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'd love to have you there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What time of day are you probably going to?
unidentified		It'd be around somewhere between 8 and 9 o'clock in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I'd have to record it for later playback.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd love to have you come out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you've got a deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll contact you off-air, and I'll bring my rig up there.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we'll put whatever you want on board.
		Oh, really?
		Oh, that's one of the things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you will?
unidentified		Yeah.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		It's just got, you know, it's small.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		It's got to be small.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like I said, we're doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like two rings?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Sure, that's no problem.
		We're doing this business card thing here to bring some money in.
		We've got some coins we're putting up.
		But if you go on the website, you'll see, if you go onto the csxtrocket.com, you'll go on there.
		You'll see our old program and what we've done in the past.
		I mean, you know, we're not talkers, we're doers.
		And, you know, we do have a history of what we have done.
		We just come back from out there, and we're planning on going back out again.
		And we've got a rocket that will go into space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you say if it's coming up in the next year?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Within the next 60 days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the next 60 days.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Yeah, you're right.
		You're a doer.
		All right.
		You know, you've got a lot of technology that you've developed that's gone into the movies.
		What kind of stuff is being used in motion pictures today that you helped develop?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, like these senders, the accelerators.
unidentified		You mean these people?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		You mean people falling off buildings and stuff like that?
		We were some of the first people that, I mean, especially the high falls, the real high falls that, you know, we brought that into it.
		And the fire gags.
		We worked with a lot of the fire gags when that first started.
		Where you're lighting yourself on fire, you know, and worked with companies developing the gels and stuff like that.
		But those are the things that you're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought you needed a suit.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there's also a gun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can light yourself on fire with a gel?
unidentified		Yeah.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		There's a gel.
		There's a gel that you can put on.
		As a matter of fact, what you do is you take Pantheos and you put on your arms and then you soak it in this gel.
		And that will, you can control the flames, keep away from your face.
		I mean, you'll see fire gags nowadays where they don't have those suit on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		It's only a short period of time.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		So they do them cuts, but you can do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you could do it.
		I wouldn't do that.
		Now lighting myself up.
		That's way down on my list.
		So you developed that for...
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		We did, as done people, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, do you get some sort of continuing residual benefit from that?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		That's where I made my mistake.
		Back then, there was a lot of things I really should have patented, and we didn't do that.
		And like our Defender that other people have used, I've actually, you know, we developed it, but there was an Academy Award won with that piece of equipment, and we got no credit at all for it.
		So those are the things, you know, when you're younger and you just don't think about them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I know.
		That's because you just, you don't.
		You're dumber.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		You get old.
		No.
		Yeah.
		Old too soon and smart too late.
		How does that one sound?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's probably right.
		Yeah.
		Do you, by the way, what happened to your friend?
		Is Kai still?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Is he still alive?
		No, he was killed in an accident right after doing a stunt in the movie.
		It was just a weird deal.
		He was working on the Million Dollar Mystery, and after he'd done some major stunts, they were taking a break and get ready to go home.
		And the director came over to him and said, you know, I assume you're done.
		We need three motorcycles to drive by a fixed camera and then take a left.
		And when he did it, there was three bikes, and he got squeezed off, and he went off the side of a cliff.
		And he just broke his leg and some internal injuries that he had.
		But the ambulance had just left, and the chopper had just left.
		And as it turned out, the ambulance thought they were going to come back and the chopper thought they were going to come back.
		Neither one came back, and he bled to death in an hour and 45 minutes.
		It was horrible.
		He was my best, best beloved, dear friend.
		And it just tore my heart out for years.
		That's why I'm so, my wife, my wife's my best friend now, but back then, it just killed me.
		Dar faced, you know, life, I mean death, so many times, and I was right there with him, you know, and his life was in my hands on a number of occasions.
		And you become very close to a person when you get like that.
		I mean, he thoroughly trusted me, and I trusted him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He bled to death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, from an external injury, his leg, or from some internal injury?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		No, he was pierced in his stomach, was pierced in his liver, and they stuffed some rags in there and tried to stop the bleeding.
		And they didn't come back, you know.
		They didn't come back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that is what you risk, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, whether it's with what seems like a simple motorcycle stunt or just even just a cut.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		The simplest thing can get you.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, listen, I know a stunt guy that fell off his ladder putting his air conditioner.
unidentified		He was killed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's a fact.
		Well, you're getting on up there now.
		You're 60-something, right?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm a stunt coordinator now, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so you set them up now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if I was doing, I mean, I'll jump in a car and, you know, I'm a pretty good driver still.
		And, you know, you talk about that fire gig we were talking about.
		We had a stuntman come up here to Minnesota that was going to drive a snowmobile through the ice and to reenact for, oh, boy, one of the shows.
		Rescue 911.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean it's through the ice?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, what happened was they were going to recreate an accident where a sheriff had gone through the ice on a frozen lake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean just boom down into the water?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
		There was an area where there was, you know, where the water was bubbling and coming up there.
		And so it was real thin ice.
		And he went through it.
		And they brought a stuntman from California to do it.
		And as it turned out, he says, I'd rather light myself on fire than do this.
		He came back and it was so cold.
		And it was well over 10 below.
		And so, anyways, I end up doing the stunt.
		And I'll tell you, when I hit that water, the snowmobile just ripped right out of my hands.
		And then the first thing you do, of course, is take a big gulp of that cold water.
		It's kind of like eating ice cream.
		Cold ice cream under the top of your brain froze.
		That was pretty crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just...
		I really would love to understand the psychological...
		I mean, what kind of family did you come from?
		What makes a person like you?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I have a picture of my great uncle coming off the ski jump in 1905 on a bicycle.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		If you go on my website, you'll see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Genetics.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, John Michelson.
		And then also, you know, my father was an inventor.
		And, you know, they made the Michelson motorcycle and the Minneapolis motorcycle.
		They worked with the oxygen mass for aircraft.
		My father worked on lightning restors for aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, then maybe it's genetic.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think there's definitely some genetics in there, yes.
unidentified		Yes, there is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, you probably are either at the high end or the low end of the gene pool.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I don't know where I'm at.
		I've been there at some point.
		I'm still walking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think you'll just keep on doing this until you can't do it anymore?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		Oh, yeah.
		I mean, you know, working in the stud industry, I mean, you know, I've been all over the world.
		I have met more interesting people than you could shake a stick at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet you have.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I think, you know, the only ones, you know, I mean, Burt Reynolds has got people like that, you know, friends.
		I've known a lot of people in the industry and stuff.
		But I'll tell you what, when you shake a guy's hand like Buzz Aldrin or the Moonwalkers, I'll tell you what, those are the guys.
		Those are real men.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, all right, well, here we are back to this for a second.
		And this is, I'll draw you over the edge here a little bit.
		But, you know, with Boeing working on anti-gravity propulsion and with all of the UFO sightings that we have, I just wonder what your view is, whether you think there are things in our skies.
		Now, I live out here in Brump, Nevada, near, not far from Area 51.
		We see things in the sky here all the time that are totally, completely inexplicable.
		And if we've got Jane's headlines that Boeing is working on anti-gravity, then what's the government been doing out there, you know, in the desert here?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		They've probably been doing a lot of things.
		I mean, why can't we happen somebody from space come here?
		I mean, why not?
		I mean, it's, I don't know, it sounds something very manageable and very likable that it can happen.
		The flying saucers or whatever or people from other planets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, about a week ago, we had something appear over just about over Washington, D.C. in Maryland.
		A couple F-16s took off after it and it left them in the dust, gone.
		No noise, no visible propulsion, nothing.
		And, you know, they just say, well, yeah, we had it on radar.
		Yeah, we chased it with F-16s and we came home and now everything's okay.
		I mean, that's like the story you get.
		So there's got to be something out there.
		Something's going on.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's no doubt about it.
		You know, back in the 60s, I tell you, there was a lot of sightings in the late 60s.
		I remember them very well.
		You know, I don't consider myself as a kook, but I'll tell you what, I've seen things up there that are unexplainable to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		You know, there's a lot of people.
		I'm not the only one.
		There's thousands and thousands, tens of thousands.
		Who knows?
		Millions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, no, millions.
		You know why I think most people don't see it?
		Because they go to, you know, if you examine your everyday life, number one, you're inside most of the time.
		Number two, when you are outside, you're paying attention to the road in front of you, or the car in front of you, or whatever else is in front of you, and you're not looking at the sky.
		So we miss most of these things simply because we're not looking.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I'll buy that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, because that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you really think it is possible that we have been or are being visited?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Who knows what flight year is out there?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, there's no reason why there can't be a planet like Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, we're chasing these things and we're shooting at them.
		What do you think about that?
		You know, especially the shooting at them.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		There can be technology that's so far out there.
		You know, one of my hardest things for me to understand if I'm laying in bed and try to start thinking about infinity, think about it sometime.
		Keep your mind, try to be able to grasp infinity where there's no end.
		Try to grasp it.
		I can't grasp it.
		I have to stop thinking about it.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's right.
		You have to stop thinking about it or you lose what little you have left.
		I know.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I'll find that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you really think, then, with the vastness out there, it's entirely possible that some of these things that have been seen may not be ours?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I find that possible.
unidentified		It's probable.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it makes sense to me.
		Why not?
		Why not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, we went to the moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sat on T, watched TV and watched man land on the moon.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I loved it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you consider it odd that, number one, we've never gone back.
		Number two, we've never gone further.
		We haven't gone to Mars yet.
		We've done a lot of talk out there, but we haven't gone.
		And we've never even gone back to the moon.
		It's like we did that and then stopped cold.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know something?
		I'll tell you what.
		When the Chinese finally do that, and they will go to the moon, our balance of power is going to change really fast.
		I mean, this is how I feel personally.
		Because I think that, you know, from a technical standpoint, all the other countries are going to look at China and say, look what they did.
		They went to the moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look what they're doing.
		I've been watching Chinese launches.
		I've got a C-band satellite here.
		And you can watch the, they're actually kind of comical if you ever watch Chinese launch, the way their technicians act versus ours.
		But nevertheless, the Chinese are making really big strides in launching satellites, aren't they?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		In the next five years, I believe they'll be on the moon.
		And I'm just going to tell you, the balance of power, you know, I tell you what, we're going to have a problem if we don't do something real spectacular out there ourselves.
		And we should continue with that.
		I mean, you know, the shuttle, you know, this is interesting.
		It may not be right on the numbers, but it takes something like 30,000 people to maintain the shuttle.
		Can you imagine having 30,000 people maintaining every 747 around?
		I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous.
		You know, the private sector can do it so much cheaper than the government can do it.
		You know that, with everything.
		And they should let the private sector get involved in that process.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would they let you put up a satellite?
		Now, there's already a lot of stuff, junk in space.
		Would they actually let you put up something that would orbit?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, we have right now on the drawing board to do that.
		But whether the federal government, what we're going to have to go through to do that, you know, that's something that's an issue that you're going to have to face.
		But we're going to try and pull it off.
		You know, that's not today or tomorrow.
		That's down the road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, obviously, they would be concerned that you would collide with some communications satellite or some very expensive something orbiting up there, right?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but isn't it interesting as who owns space?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you.
unidentified		That's a good question.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		How high above your house do you own?
		One inch?
		One mile?
		Ten miles?
		You know, who owns space?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm here to say I own whatever's up there.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, me too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I know that you don't always get mineral rights, but nobody ever mentions what's above you.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, they do when you go to apply for a license.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but of course they would argue you're not going to be launching only over your property.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's, you know, I mean, there's areas.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what about launching out to the ocean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you would think that'd be all right.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		It's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Again, you still have to go through the Space Transportation Department, and they can say yay or nay.
		And, you know, you can even go on to, I mean, you could go out to Vandenberg or White Sands or one of those, but I'll tell you what, you better have a lot of money to do it.
		And because it doesn't come cheap to use those facilities.
		I mean, they may be just sitting there dormant, not even being used, but if you want to go use that facilities, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This area is not all that far from me that you could, here in Nevada, where you could, I think, safely launch.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, the thing is, they have never licensed an amateur to do that.
		I mean, they just haven't been licensed.
		I mean, there was a project years ago where they used government propulsion system and stuff, a group of people down in Texas that launched the rocket.
		But that's back before the laws came in.
		In 1984, the Space Transportation Department, as I mentioned, was put into place.
		And that's when the laws came in.
		Before it was pretty free, you go do what you want to do.
		It's just like when cars first came out, you didn't need a driver's license.
		And now they've got it so restricted that it restricts everybody.
		I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous.
		You think that the government would want the private sector to get involved and to do it cheaply?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you couldn't get through the red tape to launch into space, and yet you were ready to launch into space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you be tempted to go out and do it anyway?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, well, no, not now, because I have too much to lose.
		I have a home, I have a family, and I would lose all of that.
		And, you know, if it was a misdemeanor, yeah, no problem.
		But you'd lose it.
		But you wouldn't have $100,000 fine in a jail.
		I'm not a radical by no means.
		So I have to use my head a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your young wife would hate that.
		My wife has what she calls veto power.
		And I occasionally want to do things that hang gliding.
		I'm big on hang gliding.
		Well, yeah, I know, but she extends this veto power.
		And I'm wondering if your wife is.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, she's in kind of the veto power right now.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I promised her last October that I wasn't going to spend any more money on this project.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And yet, you have Kyle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on a second, okay?
unidentified		You are listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2002.
		You don't come easy.
		You know, don't come easy.
		I just made you.
		You wanna sing the flues?
		And you know, don't come easy.
		You don't have to shout only the bounce.
		can't even play the everything You hold up.
		I try to reach for you, but you have done too much.
		I never had to do it.
		I wish I understood.
		It used to pay so nice, it used to pay so good.
		Oh, when you hear me, darling, can you hear me?
		It's all it.
		The love you gave me, nothing that can save me.
		It's all it.
		When you cry, how can I even try to go on?
		When you're gone, so I try, how can I carry on?
		You seem to fall away, though you weren't standing near.
		You make me feel like the something that I see.
		I really tried to make it out.
		I wish I understood.
		What happened to our love that used to pay to do good?
		Somewhere in time with Art Bell.
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		Kai Michelson is my guest stuntman, rocket guy.
		If you've got any questions about rocketry, putting things into space, stunts, what he's done his life, his entire life, now we're about to open phone lines.
		You can ask questions.
		So you've got the numbers.
		You know what they are?
		Let's rock.
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		At this point, I'm not happy with the direction that government is taking.
		I'm happy with the fact that Americans are beginning to wake up and stand up and do what they have to do and shout and scream and blog.
		And I think that's critical.
		And I think that's what's going to save the Republic.
		I think in the long run, as we go through all this stuff, it's the people who will save us and our country will remain strong.
		Somewhere in Time with Art Bell continues, courtesy of Premier Networks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music All right, once again, Kai Michelson, I got to hold the phone lines for Kai Michelson, see what kind of questions you have.
		I would imagine people, what do people most often ask you?
		I don't want to preempt anybody on the lines, but I'm just curious.
		You know, when people get to meet you, Kai, what do they ask a lot?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I think kind of where do you get your drive?
		I've heard that a lot of times.
		You know, just I'm a very driven person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do any of them ask if you've been psychologically profiled?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you been psychologically profiled?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm scared to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I would think, well, anyway, let's go to the line and see what people do ask.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on there with Kai Michelson.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Jolyn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, what am I hearing going in the background there?
unidentified		Is it me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it sounds like a big engine running in the background.
unidentified		Oh, that's weird.
		I hear that, too.
		Sound of a gun.
		I'm on a Sanio, you know, the digital you guys sold that was really good.
		Uh-huh.
		Is that better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		I'm moving.
		No, it sounds like it's bad.
		Ah, jeez, I'm sorry.
		Yeah, I was wondering if we were going to have a bicentennial visit again over the Capitol, and I guess it turns out we did.
		Because they were just saying that 50 years, you know, it was 50 years ago that we had all those spottings over the Capitol.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're talking about the recent attempt at interception by the F-16s, yes.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		And I'm a big kid, too.
		I played with all the same toys you guys did when I was a kid.
		Fun stuff.
		Yeah, all that.
		I mean, I can't believe how similar it is, but I kept all my fingers and toes and went on to be able to do some things.
		You know, I can't believe we got a Doombig buggy up there on the planet Moon.
		We never built a carport, and I split to put that sucker in.
		I wonder what your opinion on that was.
		You know, it seems absurd.
		It's a much more better place to have a station.
		And the other question was with all your experience with jet engines and propulsion systems, it's a little off kilter.
		Are you familiar with the contrail or chemtrail debate with all this?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Similar.
unidentified		You come out the rear of an engine and I wondered if you have to fly into it.
unidentified		It is in the sky, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, to cut it short here, there is this chemtrail controversy and a lot of people feel that there's an attempt at weather modification underway and that they're using commercial jets and other jets to lay things in the atmosphere for some reason, either weather control or perhaps as part of a weapon system or we have no idea, but there's this big chemtrail controversy.
		I don't know if you've heard about it.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I've read a little bit about it where a woman wrote into a magazine.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I saw a little article on it, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any thoughts on it?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you, there's enough technology out there to basically alter anything.
		I really believe that.
		Who knows?
		You just don't know.
		I mean, years ago we used to make rain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We did.
		First time call our line.
		You're on the air with Ty Michelson.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, hi.
unidentified		I'm wondering if you can use balloons to get the rocket up high enough to where you don't need to use as much fuel to get a given payload into space.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, as a matter of fact, there's a couple of groups of people that are doing that, but there's a lot of problems from there.
		I mean, we have a launch pad that's in one spot, and to keep that launch pad, you're bringing it up, you go and you get into the air currents, and boom, all seeing you in the area you can't launch.
		But I mean, there's some guys who are working on projects just like we're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, because a balloon, they send balloons up to 100,000 feet.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I mean, the air is pretty thin.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		But our goal is to launch right from ground zero.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are the problems in launching from a balloon as opposed to the ground?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		The problem is to, I mean, the thing, it gets into the air current, you know, the currents, and it's gone.
		And then before you know it, you're sitting over a bunch of houses.
		You're just tough to use.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you're not controlling the launch, obviously, when you're that far up.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		It's very uncontrollable.
		I mean, things have to be absolutely perfect to do that.
		I mean, I've been out to a launch where some guys of JP were out to the Black Rock where they had a small rocket and they had to end the flight because it all of a sudden it was out of the perimeter.
		And that's one of the problems that you'll run into all the time.
		Unless you launch over the ocean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Kai Michaelson.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art Bill.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, how are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Interesting show.
unidentified		Thank you.
		I have a theory, a question about a theory that I have about his red tape situation.
		Then I have a suggestion for payload.
		My first question is, do you think that with all the red tape and nonsense you've had to go through to try to launch this personal rocket into space, do you think that maybe the government is afraid that if you're successful in doing this, that you may be approached or maybe even yourself or your crews kidnapped by foreign entities who forced you to hand over the technology?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I'm not ready for that one, but I'm here to protect our hobby and our sport.
		And if somebody from another country was to say something to me, I definitely would turn that over to the proper authorities because we want to protect what we've done.
		But who knows what's out there?
		I mean, this day and age, anything is possible.
unidentified		Now, about the payload.
unidentified		When you plan on launching something into orbit, I guess, in a future mission.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Is that going to be a stationary or a geosynchronous orbit?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		No, what we want to do is reenact this button, because that's what we basically want to do.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		We're just going to go beep, beep, beep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be a low Earth orbit then.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're looking at like a four years where we'd be up for four years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, getting something up to geosynchronous orbit, 22.5, upper 23, whatever it is, that's a whole lot more expensive, right?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		That's an all-new game.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		That's the all-new game.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, once you're out there, really, once you're out there, you're just a step away from the moon, aren't you?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		I mean, what we're talking about is a very doable thing.
		You know, I mean, you can do a lot of reading, a lot of research.
		It's all there.
		It's just a matter of doing it, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Kai Michelson.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Coyote.
		Good morning, Eric.
		I'm glad that you're back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		You're on sort of a depleted cell phone there.
		What's up?
unidentified		I just wanted to comment on his October Sky, a fantastic movie I've watched at least a dozen times myself.
		And I've heard all you guys talking about the blue lights over Maryland and Washington, D.C. Yes.
		I want to draw a timeline for you.
		Tuesday morning this week, 1.17 a.m., mile marker 37 I-785 in Stayton, Ohio.
		There was a fantastic blue light that was there for about a second and a half.
		It lit up the inside of my truck, just like the beginning of the movie, closing counters of the railway processing.
		All the gauges in my truck went dead for about a second and a half.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got a diesel, right?
unidentified		Yes, everybody thinks that the water was running, but all my gauges went dead, and then they came right back on.
		I got on the TV.
		Some people were saying weather balloons.
		Some people were saying lightning.
		I've never seen blew lightning, and I don't think a weather balloon would put off that kind of a light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate the report.
		I don't know if it directly, in a way it does.
		I mean, there are so many things out there, like this trucker just told us about happening to him, that I don't, you know, do you think, Conor?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		When I was about 20 Years old, Denny, a friend of mine who I grew up, his wife told us exactly the same thing up in Minneapolis that a car actually went dead.
		So I just heard it twice now.
		So he said that I go, wow, this guy's not too far out there, I'll tell you that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very large electromagnetic field.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I was told exactly the same thing by Danny's wife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Same thing.
		All right.
		Easy to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Kai Michelson.
		Thank you.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Ert.
		Yes, hello.
		Hi, how are you?
unidentified		I'm glad to have you.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Hey, Kai, I was just wondering, what are you going to do about safety?
		I mean, what if something happens?
		Are you going to have VMTs there or what's going to happen?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, actually we have the Sheriff's Department that blocks off the roads onto the Lock Rock Desert this time.
		We hired them and that's another thing we're doing.
		But the whole area is cleared for you.
		Actually, where it's going to land is going to be 26 miles downrange.
		Which I mentioned, in apogee, we have an explosive charge.
		We're going to cut the rocket in half.
		It's a directional mortar situation, and we're cutting it in half, and it's coming in on ballistic parachutes.
		We know right where it's going to land.
		I mean, there's no housing, no nothing there.
		I mean, there's nothing there.
		So, I mean, yeah, it's a pretty safe thing, what we're doing.
unidentified		Sounds great.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I wish you the best of luck.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate that.
		All right, thank you and take care.
		And West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kyle Michelson.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, I'm Sven from Palm Springs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I wanted to ask if he has a name for his rocket, like Big Bertha or something.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, they call it Premier, Space Shot 2002.
		That's our project.
		Oh, excellent.
unidentified		Also, have you considered launching from like an Indian reservation to skirt the government problems that you've been having?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've had that in the back of my mind, as a matter of fact.
		It's something I haven't gotten into, but who knows?
		You know, maybe.
		I don't know.
		That's a possibility.
		And it's a real good possibility.
		I've driven by them, and I thought to myself, I wonder if, you know, but we've gotten our license now.
		And what I'm just saying is the difficulty of that for others to follow, because that's my whole thing.
		When I'm all done, what I'm hoping is we're going to open up the doors for other people to follow through.
		And, you know, that's what it's all about.
		And then I can sit in my chair and watch somebody else do what we're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's a question for you, Kai.
		You know, other than the man in Oregon, what about the prospect of launching a person, a person, to some great altitude or even to low Earth orbit or something of that magnitude?
		I mean, how far away we're talking about payloads here, I suppose, but how far away, once you launch something into low Earth orbit, would you be from launching a person?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's doable.
		We do it all the time.
		It's just what it's going to cost.
		You know, it's kind of like altitude.
		It costs money.
		How high do you want to go?
		And when you get in there, of course, everything has to get bigger.
		I mean, you've got more fuel, and you got more weight, so you've got to have more fuel.
		It goes on and on and on.
		But it's a doable thing, and guess what?
		Some people will be doing that in the near future.
		And, you know, it won't be long before we tap the, I mean, actually, where you can actually take a ride in the space.
		I mean, the kids out there that are five, six years old, it's going to be a common occurrence by the time that they're adults to be able to go into space, take rides in the space.
		It's going to happen.
		And believe me, the civilians are going to be the ones that are going to do it.
unidentified		If our government lets us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's a pretty big if.
		I consider that a big if.
		There's a reason I told you earlier about going to the moon, not going back, stopping the manned space program except for LEO.
		So I'm not beyond thinking that maybe we've been warned that we ought not be traversing large amounts of space.
		I mean, we want to go around the planet for certain reasons, fine.
		But it's almost like we've been warned.
		I don't know if I certainly believe that, but I kind of halfway believe it.
		I can't explain why we've quit the way we have.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I can't either.
		But, you know, from another, I mean, you look at, I've gone to, you know, the space seminars and stuff like this.
		One of the interesting things is, you know, I've seen people that are actually selling tickets for $5,000 to go in space in one year.
		And I've seen people that are gullible enough to hand that kind of money up.
		And I'm just going, what are they doing?
		And, you know, I've seen women that weigh 250 pounds.
		I want to leave this place.
		But you stop and think about it before anybody should ever do it.
		Sure, going to the space and coming back would be just great.
		You had just a heck of a good time.
		But to live in the space and be in outer space, I think you should go to jail for one year and sit in a cell and say, is this what I want to do for the rest of my life?
		Because that's basically what it is.
		I mean, you're not going to be playing no tennis up out there.
		I mean, who knows, maybe in a thousand years from now, when we're someplace else.
		But you have to look at that.
		But from a tourist aspect, I mean, it's a very doable thing.
		And a lot of people who are listening to the show are going to be able to do that in the near future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have some pretty powerful friends who have a whole lot of money.
		And in fact, they are working on this whole tourist angle right now.
		I don't really know how much I can say.
		I know more than I can say.
		But there are facilities, let us say, that are being constructed by individuals for the purpose of making craft that will take tourists into space.
		You're aware of that.
		Sure.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Our team is very capable of doing that, too, but it's called money.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, a lot of money, but we could do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Kuy Michelson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Guy Michelson.
		I wanted to ask you if you have plans to recover this craft.
		Oh, yes.
		And I understand that the physics involved in that and the math involved in it must be pretty high level.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we have a program to figure that out.
		And I mean, we even had to, For the government, we have to do a thousand simulations of situations if something happened.
		A thousand of them.
		Wow.
unidentified		So you're pretty confident you're going to be able to recover it then?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, sure.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Very much so.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's our whole goal is to recover it.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's a pretty good trophy that someday will probably be in the Smithsonian because it'll be a part of history.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's very important that we'd be the first private launch into space.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you are willing, you think, to donate it to the Smithsonian?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, that's where we'd end up potentially, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Kai Michelson.
		Hello?
unidentified		Art?
		Yes.
		I'm surprised you haven't played Rocket Man as bumper music yet tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you obviously haven't heard the whole show, have you?
unidentified		No, not yet.
unidentified		It's not over yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm calling about that.
unidentified		And I must have blinked.
		I'm sorry.
		Listen, I'm calling about the payload.
		So you're sending up a transmitter that's going to go beep, beep, beep.
		Could I suggest that if you're going to be sending a transmitter up there, that maybe you send more of a substantial message that maybe people could tune into on short wave or something like that?
		Well, that's probably lower hours of a double mic show, maybe.
		Yeah.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		We have, I mean, we've talked about that, and that's probably what we will do is get the ham radio operators involved in this in schools and the colleges.
		I go to school and teach rocket classes all the time.
		The University of Minnesota, the STEPS program, to encourage women to get into engineering and stuff.
		I do five classes there a year with 30 girls in the class.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just happen to be a ham.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Been a ham since I was 12.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		So you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we could put all kinds of things on your rod.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We could put ATV, amateur television up there.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, actually, we have that right now.
		On this, the premiere of Space Shot 2002, we do have television.
		Real-time color.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Real-time color, yeah, absolutely.
		And also for something that might orbit, I kind of agree with that color, that you could put some kind of message that would go way beyond a beep.
		And, you know, you'd have to think about what the media would glom onto that would really get you a lot of news.
		I mean, you would definitely want that as the first private affair ever having done something like this.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that, you know, that's a great idea.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		That's a great idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold it where you are.
		We've got one more segment to do.
		We'll continue to take questions for Kai Michelson.
		He built most of the rockets in October Sky.
		He has a career that actually it's amazing he's even still alive, frankly.
		Your questions for Kai Michelson continue in a moment.
unidentified		You are listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2002.
		Time to get ready to realize what I have felt.
		I have been all that hell upon my ears.
		It's all clear to me now.
		Her heart is on fire.
		Her soul's like a wheel that's turning.
		my love Be it sight, sand, smell, touch, something inside that we need so much.
		The sight of the touch or the scent of the sand, or the strength of an oak when you move deep in the ground.
		The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
		Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing, to lie in the meadow and hear the grass sing, all these things in our memory sore.
		I mean you will learn how to do your life.
		Why?
		Why would you go on with your head?
		I'll dispense that for you.
		Why take a fear to the breath of my sleep?
		It's all free.
		I wouldn't want to have it for years.
		Work for hard just to let my fear.
		Have to end my life.
		But I know, I know, I can't wait for you.
		You are listening to Arch Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Michelson, I wanted to say Kyle.
		Kai Michelson, that's K-Y, is my guest, one of our, well, actually, one of the world's greatest stuntmen and a rocket man to boot.
		He's going to be the first, well, one of the first private individuals to launch a rocket into space.
		If you have questions for him, we've got Open Lines raging.
unidentified		Stay right there.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, once again, Kai Michelson, I want to give Kai a chance to promote anything you want to promote.
		I know you've got your website, of course, and you sell Rocket.
		Bob, I'm going to order one of your rockets, by the way.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going for that big kahuna.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you mentioned he was talking about the song Rocket Man.
		Actually, I have a two-and-a-half-year-old boy, and his name is Buddy Rocketman Michelson.
		That's his real name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is he really?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		And hopefully someday he'll be an astronaut.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I'm kind of grooming him for that.
unidentified		Is he taking off after you?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's already, he owns a lot of rockets, I'll tell you that.
		Yeah, ever since he was, you know, very small, he was out in my toolbox, out in the shop.
		I pulled the door out, and he was there.
		So he's been around it since, you know, for two and a half years now, and hopefully he's going to be around a lot longer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope so, too.
		I mean, it is, you've got to admit, under the best of circumstances, it is somewhat dangerous.
		Building rockets, especially at the beginning, is somewhat, maybe even at the end.
		I mean, even for NASA, it's somewhat dangerous.
		So at the amateur level, it's got to be fairly dangerous.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, like the amateur rockets, I mean, like NAR and Triple E, they have a tremendous amount of rules that we have to abide by.
		And it's like anything else.
		I mean, you really have to know your stuff, and you have to be careful all the time, you know, because it's the simplest thing that will get you.
		That's the bottom line of it.
		And you have to do everything in a safe manner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Kai Michelson.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Kai.
		My name is Chris.
		By the way, thank you so much for the Moody Blues.
		It brings back a lot of memories of doing observing the stars and that, with Moody Blues in the background.
		I'm kind of curious, Kai, this one that's going up now, is this one you hope to keep up for four years?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, no, first of all.
		First, we want to prove to the government that we've built a propulsion system and an airframe and all the electronics that we can do this.
		And once you do that, that's a big step.
		But we've launched four other rockets up to this point right now where we're at.
		So we have a record.
		We're not just talkers.
		And we were just out there, like I mentioned before, just a few weeks ago.
		And unfortunately, the fan got the best of us out there.
		But we're ready to launch another rocket.
		We have all the hardware.
		It's all together.
		We're licensed, and we're going back out again.
unidentified		So is it possible to see this when you finally do launch that other rocket?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, as a matter of fact, Discovery is doing my life story.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		They're doing a and the learning channel, they're doing a one-hour show on me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When will that be on?
		Oh my god, I just lost all of my phone lines.
		What happened?
		I just lost all of my phone lines.
		Every single last phone line just died.
		Man, that is weird.
		Well, obviously, I'm going to have to call Kai back right now.
		I've never seen that happen before.
		See here.
		Let's see here.
		Let's see.
		I don't know if this is going to work.
unidentified		This is really weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gee.
		Weird.
		Weird stuff.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kai?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		That was really weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had every line lit, as we do when we're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every line went dead all at once.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is real.
		Hold on one sec, okay?
		Let me lock this in.
		Okay, you're locked in.
		Wow.
		I wonder what just happened.
		Strange things.
		Anyway, we had a caller out at the time, and I forget what he was asking you.
unidentified		He was too.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		My god, wait, what happened?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a good call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We went away.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		We lost our thoughts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that just blew everything right out of my mind.
		Wow.
		All right, well, let's just continue with the whole open eye.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I forgot what I was thinking here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Believe me, that was weird.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Kai Michelson.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi there.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		This is Dale from Barksdale Air Force Base.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing there, Dale?
unidentified		Pretty good.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I got something for Art mostly.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		He wanted to get rid of a Ouija board?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, Art doesn't want to get rid of a Ouija board, sir.
		Art hasn't dealt with Ouija boards and such childish things in years and doesn't.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Ark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Igor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Igor, that's a good name.
unidentified		Do your parents named you Igor?
		No, I kind of picked that up at the bar you used to work at.
		Yeah, I was the one that asked you about the demon feeds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		What's your question, sir?
		Well, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, it kind of sounds like if he needs a test pilot, I'll be glad to volunteer.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've never had an answer near D. Igor, I'll tell you that.
unidentified		But, yeah, I was going to say, you know, to get back to Saddam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We weren't talking about Saddam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, we've got Kai as a guest, and he's a rocket guy here.
unidentified		Well, what you can do is put those seeds in there and send them over to Iran and Afghanistan and let them grow over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You might want to explain the difference, since we're talking about Iraq a little bit, between a rocket like you're building and a ballistic missile.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have what you'd call a sounding rocket originally, but it is ballistic.
		I mean, this thing, what we're building is it goes Mach 5.
		We're talking Mach 5 in 15 seconds.
		We're talking about a tremendous amount of speed, a tremendous amount of heat buildup because it's still in the atmosphere when it's going that speed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, I said ballistic missile.
		Now, what is the difference?
		A ballistic missile is something that you fire at the right angle to just go as far as you can get it to go, right?
unidentified		Right, right.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		And from off America, now it's all guided stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, you know, we're doing this thing now where we've got programs to stop ballistic missiles, they say, in flight.
		And they claim a couple of successes.
		Now, do you think it's going to be possible to actually stop a full-on thrust ballistic missile in flight?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		All I'm going to say is they better spend that Star Wars program or whatever, they better spend a lot of money on it and get really serious about it because we need to protect this nation and the hardworking people of this nation.
		And I mean, look at that.
		I mean, the government got caught with their fans down on the 9-11 thing, that's for darn sure.
		And it just goes to show you that we're not as safe as we may think we are.
		I don't want to be paranoid or anything like that, but that's the realistic part of it.
		And I'll tell you what, if some of these other nations, they get these nuclear warheads, I mean, they've got, you know, Hey, they've got missiles, I'll tell you what.
		I mean, I don't really like to talk too much about that, but I don't want them.
		But anyways, I just think that we should be doing as much as we possibly can to protect this great nation.
		Well, my question was, do you think that we can stop a ballistic missile in mid- Again, like you mentioned, we've done it on a couple occasions, but we need to do it every single one that comes over here.
		So I think we need some more technology to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kai Michelson.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Hello, my name is Mike.
unidentified		I'm calling from the big one, KO Geo, here in San Diego, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I'm calling about the rocket man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Now, if he could actually put the camera on the rocket so that we could see maybe the UFOs and the other stuff, and I'll listen off the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, about the camera.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, we do have a camera, and we're going to be using that for that documentary that we're working on.
		We're going to use that footage.
		We would be able to see the curvature of the earth and black sky, you know, to prove that it went into space.
		It's going to be cool when it happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the highest you've ever flown?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		77,000 feet.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		And then, like I mentioned before, we had a breakup of a rocket here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I meant you personally.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Excuse me.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		With me in?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's the highest you've ever flown?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, launched a rocket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I meant flown.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, aircraft.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I've been up in a lear, you know, up above 40,000 feet, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		40?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had an unusual opportunity to go between Las Vegas and Paris in a supersonic plane.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've always wanted to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did that.
		And we got up to 65,000 feet at a little better than Mach 2, and it was unblinking believable.
		I mean, you know, as you just pointed out, you could see the curvature of the Earth below you.
		You could see the blackness.
		You could see, it's like horizontally it was purple, and then above you it was black.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that was cool beyond belief.
		What wasn't cool was the airplane.
		It was real hot.
		In fact, you couldn't put your hand on the windows.
		You know, a lot of times in a flight where you kind of get sleepy and you put your head down, you burn your head on the window.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that thing stretches and shrinks, you know, just from the heat, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Actually, they built the floor of the plane, the Concorde, so that it would expand several inches in flight.
		It was really odd.
		I got a lot of video and a lot.
		I got actually up in the cockpit of that.
		You can't do that kind of stuff anymore.
		I got into the cockpit doing Mach 2.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		What a thrill.
unidentified		Yeah, it was pretty cool.
unidentified		What a thrill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Kai Michelson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mr. Michelson.
unidentified		Yes.
		I actually have a stun command question for you.
		It's not along the line of Rockets.
		How many injuries have you sustained over the years?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ease to the Rockies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Call toll-free, 1-800-825-5033.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I've had a lot of broken bones, but those are my younger days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many of your bones, actually, have you broken?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've broken both arms, both wrists, collarbone, three brain concussions, a lot of broken toes, a lot of broken fingers, ribs, a number of lips.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't you find I've broken a few things, and it really is very disconcerting to break something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For one thing, it's never quite the same after you break it.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but now that I'm talking about it, I feel every break in my body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, there you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so, you know, when a rainstorm approaches, you just must be a total wreck.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, getting out of bed in the morning.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		You know, some of the worst injuries that I have that still bothering me are my broken toes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Toes, yeah?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I want to tell you, they can get very, very painful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess you know the routine then, you know, the cast and how long it takes and the whole damn routine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've been through it so many times.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yep, that's for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's just like part of the price of doing the kind of work you do.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		It's all a part of it.
		Yes.
		You know, Art, you've got a great show.
		You know, I've listened to your show a number of times when I was on the road, and I've had a very good time tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm glad.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		You're a great host.
unidentified		Thank you.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Good job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much money I'm being really bottom line here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if a person goes successfully into a stunt career, what kind of money can they expect to make today?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's a really specialized thing.
		There's some deals out there.
		I mean, you can live very well.
		I mean, you could become a millionaire from being a spountman.
		I mean, these full-time guys, they make a tremendous amount of money that are locked in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you become a millionaire?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've become a millionaire and I've spent it, too.
		So I've spent a lot of money.
		Actually, I've had way too much fun in my life.
		And, you know, I have all the toys, you know, the Corvette and all the stuff in the driveway, you know.
		Hot rods and, you know, all the toys.
		I'm still a big kid with a lot of toys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You spend a lot of your money on your toys then.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand that.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		That's, you know, to enjoy life.
		You work hard for it.
		You go out and do it.
		My theory on the perfect life is like this.
		You spend all the money you make.
		You walk over the gumball machine, drop your quarter in, pull it, and catch it as you're hitting the ground.
		Now, you had a perfect life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what you've got there is a stuntman's life.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, you never know when you're going to be in this.
		You just never know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand that.
		And some people devote their entire life to the accumulation as the main object of money.
		I mean, that's all they want to do is, like, accumulate the money.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		It's no good unless you spend it.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I've got a hundred stories.
unidentified		I agree with that.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		It's one of the best ways of separating your family and having a family feud by leaving money to your family.
		I mean, you know, you work hard for it.
		Enjoy it.
		Enjoy it.
		You know, that's the way I, you know, my wife's got a very large life insurance policy on me.
		And when I'm gone, you know, she's got the assets and the cash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the Corvette.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and the Corvette and the hot rods and all the rest of the junk around her motorcycles and automobiles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why I'm going to be ordering your big kahuna.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that's good.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		what else is there to do with it?
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Kai Michelson.
		Hello.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Kai.
		I don't know if you did.
		You're flying liquid or solid fuel?
		No, it's a solid propellant.
		What are we doing?
		They're very similar to what the boosters of the shuttle are.
		Okay, one more question.
unidentified		Have you ever heard of our pulse detonation engines?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		And if you haven't, or if you have...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, I didn't hear the name.
unidentified		Who?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		This is Dave.
unidentified		Pulsejet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		South Carolina.
		Is that PulseJet?
		Pulse detonation rocket engine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, pulse detonation propulsion.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's something I surely haven't messed with, that's for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, there's these stories about contrails that are nothing but donuts.
		And there's these stories about this thing called the Aurora that comes in from the Pacific, and they've actually shown the sonic waves to show where this thing has come from.
		And they claim that part of its propulsion system involves virtual detonations, little bombs going off, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, driving it faster and faster.
		Do you know anything about that kind of propulsion system?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		No, not at all.
		I mean, all a rocket is all it is, is a controlled explosion.
		That's exactly what a rocket is, is a controlled explosion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, but this apparently starts making a rocket go faster and faster in almost no atmosphere, riding on the coattails of each explosion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can imagine.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, to be honest with you, I know nothing about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kai Michelson.
		Hello?
unidentified		Yes, yeah.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Hi, yeah.
unidentified		I just got a question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, no, we're only allowed one call per show, sir.
		I appreciate it, though.
		I could tell from your background.
		First time call online, you're on the air with Kai Michelson.
		Hello?
unidentified		Yeah, I just got a question all fast.
unidentified		Kind of follows along the lines of the balloons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, go ahead.
unidentified		Doesn't it work a little bit better to launch them horizontal and then send them up vertical as opposed to just sending them straight up?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy, you never get away with that in the country, you know, in the United States.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		There's just not a large enough area to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that's what the X class of aircraft, some of the early test aircraft were shown dropped out of the belly of a B-52, and then they'd travel, and then all of a sudden they'd ignite the rockets and away they go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that's what he was talking about.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I mean, you know, that's something that we could not do.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		And yes, it would be much easier if you could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you need the belly of a B-52, and that's not going to be cheap right away.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, you've got to realize this thing is going over 4,000 miles an hour in 15 seconds.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine how far that that can go in 15 seconds?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Our flight is a minute and a half into space from when you push the button.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		So that's 62 miles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
		A minute and a half.
		Zero to 60 in about...
		By the way, folks, he's given me the rough date and the place, and I'm going to go and watch this launch.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		That'd be great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'll be recording it for you all.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Kai Michelson.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, my name is Bobby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, Bobby?
unidentified		I'm in Oklahoma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, not a lot of time, so go ahead.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah, me and my fiancé would just like to say if there is any Indian land that he would like to use, then we have about six acres of land out here in Oklahoma that he could use, and it's Indian land.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we need a thousand acres.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we need at least 26 miles, so there's a problem there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		26 miles.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that means probably you end up talking to the Bureau of Land Management, because they're the kind of people out here and about who's got that kind of land.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, as a matter of fact, the people we've been working with have been very cooperative.
		That I will tell you that.
		And that's been the easiest part of this whole thing is working with those people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're a doer, all right.
		Listen, again, you've got a website.
		Anything else you want to plug while we've got a few seconds?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, like I, you know, if anybody's interested in getting involved in this project, you know, you can always use some money.
		And we've got this thing with the calling card.
		If you want to put a calling card in the space, you can go over our website.
		And I think we have enough room for like 150 cards.
		A weight is a very, you know, one pound of weight will be one less mile that will go up.
		So we only have a small payload section that we can put this into.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So contact you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I assume the email address to contact you is on the website, right?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you can get a hold of me, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So one way or the other, whatever people are interested in, your website, which is linked on our page tonight.
		And, boy, what a pleasure having you on.
		It really has been nice.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've really enjoyed this show.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, anytime if you'd like me to come back, I would love to do that, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why don't we do it after the launch?
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		That'd be great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Done deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you up there at Black Rock.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care, Don.
ky michaelson ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's High Michelson, folks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell from the High Desert.

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