Senator Harry Reid slams the Bush administration’s push to ship 77,000 tons of nuclear waste to Yucca Mountain, Nevada, despite pending science and a $30M lobbying war, citing risks to 43 states and 90% storage in an earthquake-prone site. He denies financial incentives, calling Nevada’s stance principled, and warns of terrorist threats via lax security—like Utah’s waste leak or Baltimore’s tunnel fire—while advocating for renewable energy expansion. Meanwhile, Brad Steiger links glowing orbs, "monkey men," and ancient giant skeletons (7–18 ft tall, with horns/tails) to extraterrestrial or spiritual entities, referencing biblical Nephilim, Michigan coal mines, and Coral Castle’s defying physics. Callers confirm similar sightings, from silent UFOs to hypnotic regressions, suggesting a thinning veil between worlds. Reid’s fight and Steiger’s claims reveal deeper tensions: political deception vs. humanity’s hidden evolutionary connections. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in all twenty-four time zones covered by this program, which is Coast to Coast AM.
I'm Mark Bell, glad to be here.
In a moment, we're going to have a guest from a town even smaller than the little town of Herump that I live in, a place called Searchlight, Nevada.
And he is none other than Assistant Democratic Leader in the Senate.
Now, Senator Harry Reid actually does come from a smaller town than I do, Searchlight, Nevada.
From humble beginnings in the tiny town of Searchlight to the second highest-ranking Democrat in the U.S. Senate, Harry Reid has distinguished himself as a fighter for Nevadans and all American families in the corridors of power in Washington, D.C. Recognizing his trajectory in public service.
The Las Vegas Sun said that Reed, quote, has gone from underdog to the Senate's top dog, end quote.
Parade magazine, the nation's largest weekly, identified Senator Reed as one of a handful of leaders in Washington who possesses, quote, integrity and guts, end quote.
Nevadans first elected him to the Senate in 1986, and he has developed a reputation as a consensus builder and a very, very accomplished legislator.
He is my senator in Washington.
And here's something, just a partial statement.
I won't read it all because really he can tell you about it, but this was a statement by Senator Reed Friday, February 15th.
Quote, today President Bush has betrayed our trust and endangered the American public by deciding to ship 77,000 tons of nuclear waste across the entire country and store it at Yucca Mountain, Nevada.
As a candidate for president, George W. Bush declared, quote, I believe sound science, not politics, must prevail in Washington, must prevail in the designation of any high-level nuclear waste repository, and Washington as well.
As president, I would not sign legislation that would send nuclear waste to any proposed site unless it's been deemed scientifically safe.
End quote.
He said this while campaigning in Nevada in May of 2000.
You know, he was here in Nevada.
He said that.
Didn't ask us to read his lips, but asked us to believe him.
Nevadans did.
George W. Bush would not be president without having received Nevada's votes in the Electoral College.
You remember that debacle of an election that we had?
Well, without Nevada, it would not have been President Bush.
And without that promise, I doubt that he would have had Nevada here from, I'm not sure exactly where, maybe at home in Searchlight is Senator Harry Reid.
Well, I just feel that if we go back and look at the election, George Bush came to Nevada once.
He came to Lake Tahoe.
He wouldn't take questions from the press because at that time he was afraid to answer any questions regarding nuclear waste because his position had always been contrary to Nevada's interests.
But as the election got closer and closer and he felt Nevada's four electoral votes may mean something, and at that time Gore was ahead in the election, he issued a number of statements through other people, through Vice President Cheney, through Governor Gwynn and others, saying that he would not allow nuclear waste to come to Nevada except if there were good science.
Well, from the time that he made that statement till today, this science has been turned on its head.
For example, the General Accounting Office, which is the watchdog of Congress, certainly no one can ever accuse them of being anything but unbiased.
They said that it was not ready to have a recommendation made because as we speak, there's 292 scientific investigations that the DOE is waiting for.
In addition to that, the Nuclear Waste Technical Review Board, which is entity set up to review nuclear waste, again, independent.
This one is led by former dean of the Yale School of Forestry.
He's now president of Carnegie Mellon in Pennsylvania, one of the finest schools in America.
He and his group said the science at Yucca Mountain is poor.
We know that there's a big law firm that was giving legal advice to the Department of Energy, and their own Inspector General found it was a conflict of interest because that law firm was also representing the Nuclear Energy Institute at the same time was giving advice to the Department of Energy.
So President Bush simply should not have done this.
We learned in Time Magazine that came out today that we're trying to get rid of soft money, corporate money.
And so Time Magazine has gone into a review as to what money President Bush took in soft money, and $25,000 we know that he took from the Nuclear Energy Institute, the same group of people that's trying to put nuclear waste in Nevada.
So he had plenty of information not to do what he did, just withhold what he was doing until he had some evidence to show there was sound science.
He didn't wait to do that.
I think it was unfair.
I think he misled not only the people of Nevada, but the American people.
I'll stop by just saying this.
The number one issue in America today with every environmental group, now on any issue, you usually get some environmental groups that don't always agree one way or the other.
But here, they all agree that transportation of nuclear waste cannot be done safely.
First of all, these nuclear utilities, which have spent in the last three years, $30 million lobbying Congress, getting campaign contributions, flying people to Las Vegas to take them up to Yucca Mountain for two hours and put them up here for three or four days.
What we have found is that they say, well, we have to have it in one spot, so bring it to Nevada.
Well, that's so ridiculous.
Of the approximately 110 generating facilities we have in America today, you're never going to get rid of the nuclear waste because they continue generating it.
So to say there's only going to be one spot is simply illogical.
What do you do with it?
Leave it where it is.
That's what they're doing in various places around America today.
Calvert Hills outside Boston.
They're putting it in what they call dry gas storage containers.
The scientists say it would be safe there for 100 years.
It's cheap.
It would be easier to secure it there than trying to haul it.
Each one of these containers would weigh 135 tons.
It would take 100,000 truckloads, 20,000 train loads.
That's 120,000 targets of opportunity for terrorists.
So leave it where it is.
It would be safe.
It would be secure.
And you wouldn't have to worry about transporting.
Remember, this act that they're trying to put the stuff in Nevada based upon is 20 years old.
A lot of things have happened in that 20 years.
The only thing that hasn't happened is the Department of Energy, the bureaucrats down in the bowels of the Department of Energy, there may be administrations change, but the bureaucrats don't.
And they have been pellmell toward fulfilling that 1982 act, which by now is antiquated.
And I believe that, especially since September 11th, we've got to be very careful.
We have a congressman, Ed Markey, who's a longtime member of Congress today, spoke out saying the nuclear facilities, they don't even check when someone goes to work there if they're a terrorist.
They let them work there for 30 days while they're running the test to find out if they're qualified to work there.
And, you know, they're trying to ship this.
One of the proposals is to ship from some of the reactors in the northern part of New York, shipping them down the river, Hudson River.
These things are just, they do not have a plan for transportation, so you're absolutely right on target.
It would be so, so dangerous to ship it.
And this is a problem that would affect 43 states.
What they would do is take them out of the cooling ponds.
As I said at Calvert Hills, what they're doing there, take them out of the cooling ponds, put them in dry cast storage containers, which is on-site storage.
And certainly, we've already spent at Yucca Mountain $8 billion.
And it's estimated that by the time that's finished, it would be upwards of $80 billion, some say $100 billion, whereas you can store them on-site for an average of maybe $10 or $15 million per site.
Think of the savings of that to the American people and the safety factor involved.
I mean, realistically, you're not going to be able to ship 135-ton casks all over America.
People aren't going to allow that to happen.
We have learned in years past that anytime the federal government starts talking about you're okay with things nuclear, you go back to the early part of last century where they had these over-the-counter drugs that people used for arthritis and toothaches and stuff.
It rotted out people's bones and killed some.
We know that x-rays, they said that was safe.
My father-in-law died as 53 years old from leukemia as a result of having worked as an x-ray technician as a young man.
We know the above-ground nuclear tests here in Nevada were extremely dangerous, made lots of people sick and killed people.
So when the federal government comes to us and said, don't worry, don't worry, everything is going to be just fine.
We're going to haul this stuff and nobody has to worry about a thing.
We're dealing with the most poisonous substance known to man, plutonium.
And you can't haul it safely, especially with terrorists waiting around every corner.
That's why leaving it where it is and letting the scientists work on it.
I mean, we have a number of very interesting proposals.
Senator Menerchy, a Republican from the state of New Mexico, and I do work together on the Energy and Water Subcommittee and appropriations.
We appropriate $22 billion a year every year.
Some of that goes to a lot of research at the labs.
New Mexico has two labs.
California has one.
There are a number of other ones.
And we think there's some really interesting things that can be done.
We had a great program at Quench River in Tennessee during the 70s and early 80s that was knocked out because they were afraid plutonium would get in the hands of the Soviets.
Had we stayed on that program, we wouldn't need any Nevada test site.
Well, President Clinton, when he vetoed the last time they tried to do this under a different statutory framework, we were able to get 33 Democrats and two Republicans.
With Senator Ensign there now, who is a Republican, we are hopeful that we are going to get more.
I'm working hard on the Democrats.
He's working hard on the Republicans.
And our goal is to get 51.
That's what we need.
We're not there yet.
We're probably in the 37 or 38, something like that.
But we have a lot of things to do.
We hope to be able to change people's minds.
The two senators from Utah certainly should try to help us because they know what it's like to have nuclear waste jammed down their throat.
They tried to do it in Indian Reservation there.
We have great expectations for the two senators from Vermont who hadn't voted with us before, and that's an extremely environmentally conscious state.
We hope that there are two Democrats there, or I should say a Democrat and an independent.
In New Hampshire, we have hopes there.
That's turned into an extremely environmentally conscious state.
So anyway, we're working on all kinds of things to get them in numbers up to 51.
Now, there are times when you don't, when a person doesn't ask the right question, you know, you don't volunteer things, volunteer things that may not be in your interest, but you never lie.
You never hide the truth.
You know, I think that people, Ronald Reagan, as an example, there are a lot of things I disagreed with him politically, but I always felt that he was a person who told it the way it was.
He did.
And I admired him for that.
So I don't think a person has to lie to be a successful politician.
I mean, I can look at over my career, the people I've served with.
Some people who are listening to this program, which covers so much area, will not remember him, but Governor Michael Callahan, who was governor of Nevada for eight years, probably the best governor Nevada has ever had.
And he's a person who would die before he would tell a lie.
He's one of the most honest people I've ever known.
George Mitchell, who was majority leader of the Senate.
I've served with some people who set a great example, who are certainly in keeping with what I think a member of the clergy should be is for truth and veracity.
in the last few days actually that's that's how current all of this is i've been getting these remarkable incredible stories about people who have seen uh...
He and his partner saw this ball of light.
First, a smaller ball that moved around.
You know, they had responded to an alarm that was going off in a building.
And small ball moved around.
They thought, how odd thing they had ever seen in their life.
And they were sitting there still conversing, waiting for the alarm to reset, which they do finally.
And this giant ball appears with what the officer described as an almost monkey-looking, like, simian-looking being inside of it.
And this thing was floating.
And I read this story on the air, and then all of a sudden I started getting all these calls from people who have seen similar things that are floating, some of them with what appear to be something or another inside them.
There's the famous story about the ranch in Utah and what they once saw there, you know, that ranch that Bob Bigelow has.
And, you know, they had scientists who watched a creature come out of what appeared to be sort of a hole that formed in mid-air.
I don't know, but it's certainly, as you say, these things go in waves because I certainly, in the last month or so, have been getting these reports and people, yeah, saying, what is it?
What is it?
I've had an encounter personally with these and had, well, one of my best-selling books is the result of an entity that came out of a greenish ball of light and gave me the complete outline for my book, Revelation of the Divine Fire, which, you know, was book of the month and literary guild.
I've been getting a lot of reports, and this is strange, you know, here again, of a ghost in a plaid shirt, blue jeans, and like work boots showing up in bedrooms, showing up when people are hunting, you get a tap on the shoulder, here's this fellow, they see it out.
Again, a blonde, kind of nice-looking guy, and they see him for just a flash, and he's gone.
Now, again, that has to be some kind of symbol.
That has to be some kind of archetype that someone, call them, I call them the other because I don't know what to call them, but the other is obviously communicating that particular image right now.
The glowing ball, I am convinced, is a means of transportation, or maybe the entity itself as the entity really looks.
Art, you know, I've kicked the idea around for years about telling you my story.
I've decided to do so only because I know you will enjoy it and maybe share it with some of your friends.
Let me start out by saying that I spent a total of 20 years in law enforcement, 19 in Washington State, and about seven months in Alaska North Slope.
I now work for a private industry following the September 11 attacks.
I've seen many strange things, most of which were explainable with one major exception.
I was a patrol sergeant with the Isqua Police Department.
There we are, folks, Isqua up in Washington.
At the time of this event, and I do mean an event because of the impact it had on me and the way that I looked at the supernatural.
I can't tell you the exact day, but it was a cool evening back in 1989.
I was supervising two other officers on this particular night.
A call was received by our dispatcher at about 0200 hours from one of the alarm companies advising of an intrusion alarm at a store in the Gilman Village complex.
This complex is made up of dozens of old homes, which were moved to a central location in Iskwa and turned into exclusive little shops and wood walkways.
I used to walk through this complex during my night patrols for exercise.
That is, until this incident, I responded along with most of the patrolmen, and we checked the exterior of the building, found it to be secure.
The alarm reset itself, which is normal.
The other officer and myself stood in a parking lot about 50 feet away from the building, talked about various things.
Midway through a sentence, I was stopped cold by a very intense white ball of light making its way across the outer wall of the building that we had just checked out.
The ball was about the size of a soft ball and went from left to right just under the eaves of the second-story building.
We both looked at each other, puzzled about what we had just seen.
The light was too bright and perfectly round for it to be from an artificial source.
We talked about what we had observed and looked around for any possible source.
We both shrugged it off as a small mystery and continued on with our previous conversation.
Within approximately five minutes of the original event, a ball of light, approximately three to four feet in diameter, slowly moved across the bottom of the building.
However, inside the ball was what I describe as the monkey man.
It truly looked like the shadow of an upright monkey-like creature walking inside the ball.
It was another five minutes before either one of us could talk.
We never discovered the source of this amazing sight, and I'm not sure that I really wanted to.
We did not speak about it for a number of weeks to anyone, but it did become general knowledge within the department, and of course, the monkey man became the source of numerous ribbing for years after.
And he instructs me to please go ahead and read this on the air.
His first name is Randy, and I will omit his last name.
That's his story, Brad.
And that set off a night of, hey, I've seen one of those two type things.
I think it's giving us clues and showing archetypal images.
This police officer I'm referring to was going under a lot of stress and a crisis.
Maybe he needed to see that there's a great mother who cares for him.
That particular image.
Maybe.
Now when they, I did not, All I see, now, if someone in my field wakes up in the middle of the night and you see something in a robe moving its hands, you know, you think a lot of things.
So again, I should have, you know, metaphysical researcher or whatever, and I should have thought it was an angel.
I should have thought it was a guy, but what I did was saying, my home is invaded.
You have to ask yourself, if you were confronted with a being from somewhere else, or somewhere else, whatever it would be, dead flat in front of you, would you rear back, clench your fist, and give it a good one?
Or would you turn around and hold out, or would you be frozen?
I suppose any of the above reactions are possible.
And it turns, it stops in the hallway, moves into the bedroom, and then zinc, here is the tall, hooded being again.
So I say, now tonight, tonight, you know, there is no way you're putting the whammy on me.
You know, I'm going to have some answers here.
And of course, just like that, once again, because I jumped up again, I was ready to grab him and shake him.
And just every bit of energy and again, I collapsed.
But when I awakened the next morning, I had the complete outline, who I was supposed to interview, who I was supposed to talk to, what outline I was supposed to have.
I mean, what exactly, what are the motivations for not appearing, you know, in the famous White House lawn, on the famous White House South Lawn or whatever, but conveying the information rather in the manner in which it is apparently conveyed?
Before, and this was Prentice Hall, big hardcover Prentice Hall book.
I interviewed probably every leading theologian, psychologist, psychiatrist in the country for this book.
Got great stuff.
Before I had a copy, I received a letter from a musician in Chicago who had a copy of the book put into his mailbox with no return address, just in there.
What I did, on that second morning when I awakened, I called my editor, Prendis Hall, and I said, Sam, I have a fabulous idea for a book, The Contemporary Revelatory Experience.
And he went, wow, let's do it.
The musician, you know, if he heard music, spiritual music, he could have put it down.
So, art, I think the answer is many, many people are contacted to get certain ideas and concepts out.
Well, you know, all right, what would you say are the main components of the messages that are so urgently being dispersed through people like yourself and others who have had these experiences, so many of them?
Well, you know, that's now that it's, what, you know, 30-some years later, I see that now the messages are, you know, continually repeated.
And I guess I put it into my style and touched people at that time.
I see others coming out with similar books.
Now it's basically that we are more than physical beings, that we have within us more powers, more abilities than we believe we are able to use, we can extend ourselves to become more completely functioning human beings, and that this message is continually broadcast and repeated.
And since that time, I've encountered so many people.
I mean, people in the big listening bowls who get like Kalil Gabran and the Bhagavad Gita broadcast from what goes into the newspaper next day calling it an erratic meteor, but this ball of light that keeps going back and forth, back and forth.
Yeah, but I mean, all those years of essentially the same message, and we're still a tiny minority, is my point.
And technologically, Zoom, away we go, Element 92.
I just finished talking to Senator Harry Reid before I had you on about the storage and transportation.
Even more scary part, the transportation, all this nuclear craft.
So we're racing down this technological, perhaps suicidal path and the message, you know, that we are more than we are and probably part of something much bigger.
I mean, I was saying that very, very simply, you know, that we are just more than physical beings and that we have a spirit and that a contact with a higher intelligence, there is someone out there who cares and interacts with us.
Well, almost everybody in the audience has read Genesis.
And that would seem to instruct the manner in which all of this happened, and not nearly so long ago as you're talking about.
Now, when you are confronted with people who say, no, no, no, look, read the Bible, it's all there for you, and that tells you exactly how it's happened that we are here.
But as I say, the rabbinical text has always inspired me.
Worlds upon worlds there were before Adam was.
So here again, our Adamic world, I can be very comfortable with the creationists who say, and I got some fabulous photographs from the creationists and some of the research and discoveries that they have made.
Dr. Clifford Burdick, before he passed away in Tucson, sent me some incredible photographs of these giant humanoid footprints in the same strata as the great reptiles.
Now, here again, that knocks people right off their seats.
What are we talking?
Alley Oop and Diny the dinosaur?
But again, I think what we're talking about is probably visitors.
You see, we can't move away from the hypothesis, completely, Art, that these giants could have come from elsewhere.
The artifacts, the pots, the pans, the weapons, the swords, the hatches, the axes, and these incredible skeletons, some eight feet tall, some with horns, and some with double rows of teeth.
Brad, when you talk about giants and, you know, seven and eight feet tall giants, and I don't know about horns and tails, but giants certainly would call to mind, I mean, what are all these reports of Bigfoot, after all, if not either a relative of, a relic of, or in some way related to what we're talking about right now?
But we did get the ETs in there and the possibility, and Alex Hamilton Brown, who put this together, went to Russia and Israel and recorded some recent sightings there where giants had been seen, close encounter situation after UFO touchdowns.
But, yes, I think we have to at least consider the possibility that there's some link up in that some of these skeletal remains might be more Sasquatch Bigfoot-type creatures than But again, they are probably hominids.
Well, there again, I'm glad you brought that up because we have to distinguish the Nephilim would be the god-men or the demigods.
They, again, people have made the association there with extraterrestrials.
They saw the daughters of men, that they were fair, and you're familiar, and I think most of our listeners are with that.
The Repha'im are the physical giants.
Nephilim, when they produced, reproduced with earth women, they produced men of great renown, which may be, you know, whether it's psychic abilities or great powers.
But the Rephaim then are the Anakim and the Hittite and those tribes of giants.
Now Goliath was a Gittite, and there were five brothers in that family, and they were about nine to ten feet tall.
They hired themselves out as mercenaries, and that's why they're fighting with the Philistines at this particular time in the grave encounter when the little shepherd boy comes with his sling.
So we show, Alex shows in the special what may be the grave of Goliath, and he does a marvelous job of tracing that.
In addition to our participation, of course, you've got Zachariah Sitchin and Eric von Doniken and Jim Mars and several other people lending their expertise.
And a very fascinating doctor, Dr. Carl Baugh, who has created a biosphere that he believes would simulate atmospheric conditions at the time of the great reptiles or when this giant species could have existed.
So you see, at that time, then there would have been more favorable atmospheric conditions.
There would have been greater oxygen.
The ozone layer wouldn't have been perforated, would have been a lot thicker.
Now he has then simulated what he thinks would be our prehistoric environment and has put species of fish and so forth in there and is creating giants.
What would be normally a three or four inch fish is now 22 inches long in this particular environment.
So, I mean, could we really have a Jurassic Park today?
Could we have these huge Tyrannosaurus wrecks and so forth running around in our present atmospheric conditions?
Probably not.
Or they would still be here.
Now, again, there is another mystery.
What wiped out the dinosaur?
And of course, you can hear endless debate, you know, whether an asteroid shower, was it a comet, or did they just outlive their time on the great stage?
These footprints we're talking about, though, of giants predate.
They would be in the age of amphibians rather than the giant reptiles.
Of course, now they argue they might have been giant mammals, you know, or early warm-blooded rather than cold-blooded.
So many of our great sacred cows that we have cherished are being demolished.
And you have to wonder in millions and millions of years whether somebody's going to be picking at our bones saying there were these short little guys.
So many things, put them on the shelf and just sort of registered as, oh, we can't figure it out, don't know what it is, doesn't fit into our paradigm, so out you go.
Well, again, with the giants, I started collecting this material in the 60s, and I'm sitting here now.
I have at least ten pages single spaced of where gigantic skeletons of giants have been found, which of course would not make good radio to sit and read it.
But again, I'm just continually… Why don't we know more about these?
Well, yeah, wouldn't there, for example, no matter how it came down, wouldn't there, for example, have been probably some period of time where giants met what is now or was a relative of modern man, in other words, where both existed at the same time.
But we have a rabbinical scholar, you know, again, saying that this is very much and very solidly stated in the writings of the Hebrew.
Well, and we mentioned the Anakin, we mentioned the Gittite, we mentioned the difference with, you know, the Nephilim and the Raphaim.
Well, one we think of very often is when Moses, when they're leaving Egypt in that traditional story, and he sends Joshua and some other scouts on to Hebron.
And remember, they come back and they say, they're huge.
They tell of when the giant people came from the east, and the Delaware and the Iroquois talk about, you know, how the giants terrorized them for so long.
So they're in the Native American myths or legends or folklore oral history.
No, I think the and even when I was sitting in their classrooms hearing that these things could not be, I kept saying even then, back in 1953, what about all the skeletal remains?
What about the artifacts?
What about the relics that people are digging up?
So again, I'm at peace with it.
Worlds before worlds there were before animals.
We have our Adamic world, which we are a part of.
And that began roughly 6,000 years ago in Sumer and then spread to the Tigris-Euphrates, throughout the Tigris-Euphrates Valley.
Well, then would you say that it would be fair to say that to at least shake your head in possible agreement with what you're saying, you'd have to be a fairly liberal Bible scholar.
Well, but again, certainly the creationists, with their discovery of the giant tracks and so forth, they surely recognize, or at least the ones I've corresponded with, the existence of giants.
I think the point you're making, Art, is that they're not going to push it back beyond 6,000 or 7,000 years.
And I think it's interesting how we have made this incredible discovery that some people, 6'9 and 7 feet can move and can be graceful and can be coordinated.
So there is the genetic, and the question has to be raised: are they carrying the genes of the giants?
In Dresback, Minnesota, just not too far from where I'm sitting right now, they were improving, expanding their building.
And all of these graves then have been dug legitimately.
Sometimes, and I say that because, as you know, both Sherry and I are very passionate about Native American causes.
And a couple times I've been called in to kind of arbitrate when burial grounds or mounds are in the way of highways and so forth.
And we feel there has to be respect there.
So some were in the mounds.
Some of those very large, eight, nine feet tall with horns and so forth.
Some of those were in Ohio.
Some of those were in other parts of the Midwest.
In Minnesota, they were expanding their brick factory and they came upon these huge skeletons, eight, nine feet tall, and inside the grave buried with them were things like metal frying pans and artifacts.
I'm glad many of them write letters and send me photographs of them, but I don't know.
I suppose they go into museums in the area or whatever, but some of the accounts that I have received from miners are just astonishing, the things they have found.
Pots and pans and pot-bellied stoves and again, things that we don't really know what they are, plus impressions, impressions of skeletal remains in coal mines.
And you've I guess there's also something about an Indian mound where 68 men of over seven feet in height were found, and they had horns and double rows of teeth, you say.
do we imagine a connection do we imagine a connection between ufology with these things that are seen obviously seen with photographs of them and the existence oh yeah do you think the giants were will That's right.
I think in that extraordinary book that will soon be re-released in quality paperback, The Source, as we state there, my friend, whatever the UFO mystery is, you know, it's an integral part of who we are, and it Goes back farther than we are and coexists with us.
I think there is somewhere some commonality that explains all of this.
Now, lately, scientists have been talking a great deal about this non-locality business.
I don't know if you've been keeping up with that or not, but that everything, everything literally, is connected at some level that we don't feel and interact with and understand for the most part, except occasionally.
Well, and again, I feel ashamed tonight all the gratuitous plugs I'm making, but many people have written to me in regard to the source saying that the exciting throughout, but the last chapter is worth the price alone, where we tie it all together and say exactly that.
And now, well, you know, I talk to the remote viewers.
I think they probably navigate in a source of non-locality.
I think that all kinds of things may exist in this non-locality.
And everything exists in this non-locality.
So a single source may be absolutely true in the end.
Do you think, and I've asked you this over many programs, that the veil is lifting or thinning or that more and more of this appears to be going on and we're headed towards some sort of a revelation-like event?
You've asked me that many, many times, as you said, and I think my answer has been a little different each time.
This time I'm going to say, to me, the evidence is extraordinarily firm that the veil is becoming exceedingly thin.
And I think we are in a cycle where people are having such incredible experiences.
People who didn't dream of having them, who even scoffed at them, are having profound spiritual metaphysical experiences.
I think the veil is becoming very, very thin.
And now you're going to ask what I think that means.
And I think it's the fact that the seen and unseen world, or the shadow world, as I call it, with the shadow people, is becoming more and more visible.
And I think it's not just happening.
See, before, it was happening to people of a certain sensitivity, a certain rapport.
When we talk about the non-locality, we might be talking about a collective unconscious.
You know about the Princeton experiments, I'm sure, that seem to prove there is such a thing.
And with respect, again, to the giants, is it possible that the giants survive in our collective unconscious?
That when you and I sit here and talk about them and people sit out there listening to our talk about these, they know at some subconscious level that what we're saying is true?
And I think one evidence art that we have to mention are the huge city structures around this planet with building blocks 500 tons and more that nothing we have today with our extraordinary technology can even budge.
And in areas where there's no trees and even taking the very huge stones and the only place those stones are found are many, many miles, sometimes hundreds of miles away.
But you know something interesting to wonder about?
The proof aside, you know, we've got the physical proofs, sure.
But why do you suppose that a man like that, who did what he did and obviously knew what he knew, would choose not to share it with a world that was headed down a very different path?
But the real gift to the world would not have been another wonderment from the way some people would think about this.
They would think, look, if he had discovered that, why didn't he give the power to do that to the world instead of just giving the world a sort of another giza, plateau, you know, another reason to say, we don't understand this.
Here's the physical proof.
It was done.
We don't know how to do it.
And we don't understand it.
So there must have been something.
He could have given us the secret.
I wonder what kind of thought process he went through before he died in deciding not to give it to us.
Well, one can only wonder, but again, I think what he did will continually provoke thought and provoke people to ask why, and someone is going to tap into what he did and replicate it.
Maybe the truth is that in the wrong hands, that power that he knew about, that he discovered that he manipulated, obviously, he was concerned that we were already on a self-destructive course with our own technology.
And what would we do with something as outlandish as that?
And you have to ask yourself, if you knew that secret, if you had within your grasp that power, considering the present state of our society, could you safely let it loose yourself?
Well, you know, in the coming of hour, I'm sure we're going to get some calls on this, on the Giants, on the subject of the Giants, and perhaps also on these balls of light and energy and whatever, these openings that continually appear.
And I would hope that we would get calls like that.
I'm sure we will, in fact.
And I would like that.
So if you all will sort of get ready, if you do have a reason to be sort of underscoring what we're saying tonight with your own story, we'd very much appreciate that.
Then again, you mentioned Death Valley and evidence of beings with spine of tails.
Did you know that there are occasionally, and this is not much talked about, Brad, but occasionally there are human beings born with tails or parts of tails or entire tails.
And do you know what?
They're surgically removed very quietly.
Nobody talks about it.
Nobody wants to talk about it.
It's the way cancer used to be non-talked about.
You know, you just, cancer, oh my God, you didn't talk about that in the family.
Well, you certainly don't talk about tails, definitely.
That's why when I see these, you know, giants and we have in our collection a photograph of the skeletons and the tail buttons and so forth, I accept that this was part of the evolutionary structure for at least some of the human and hominid species.
And then the big thing is, did it all just disappear?
Did the various hominid species, or some say they couldn't possibly have interbred, and then others say, well, of course they did.
the cloris leachman character there's a proud ruler there's a thunderclap and the horse whinnies Well, you know, on stage, you would combine that thunderclap with a little bit of smoke, you know, and you emerge from the smoke at the right moment.
I'm the guy that keeps calling you over the last four or five years every time you're on the show about these hooded beings because that was my first memory as a child seeing one of them.
And then you were mentioning that the veil is thinning extremely thin.
And tonight when you were telling your story, I was thinking the same thing myself because over all those years, I couldn't get you to give me any information on these people, on these hooded beings, even though you had a survey going with, I think, 25,000 people.
I really appreciate you describing that story that you had with them.
You also mentioned that in those spheres, besides people seeing reptiles and things, you mentioned Hooded Master.
And gee, Dave, I know you're still listening, so email me and we'll keep in touch on it because as Arch just said, the veil is getting thinner with the hooded beings.
Okay, about 10 years ago when I was living in Washington, D.C., right on 16th Street, about 24 blocks from the White House, I had my back to the wall that divides the kitchen from the living area.
And my neighbor from down the hall and my 18-year-old daughter, we were all standing there in like a little conversation circle.
In the middle of the conversation, we were talking about finding a bigger apartment.
And all of a sudden, this ball at eye level traveling, oh, I don't know, I guess you'd say about maybe 10 miles an hour.
It's kind of hard to judge that, but it's moving, right?
It comes from the direction of the window.
When we first spotted it, it was coming from that direction.
I didn't see it actually come through that window because I didn't spot it until it was actually in the room.
You see what I'm saying?
My back was to it.
Okay, it comes around, goes between us.
My daughter and the neighbor lady were across from me in our conversation.
We were only a few feet apart.
And I'm on one side.
It's like it circled around me and then went out the kitchen window.
And as we were talking, we all just stopped talking, kind of looked at it, looked at each other, and followed it with our eyes as it went out the kitchen window and said, what was that?
I mean, it was like, but it didn't give us fear or anything.
I didn't notice anything bluish, and I didn't see any monkeys in it.
I saw an energy of light, a ball of energy and light.
This is a, you know, it's a very sensitive subject, and I'm not sure if it relates, but it may well relate.
At the site of the World Trade Center Disaster.
A number of police officers and firemen have taken photographs.
And some of the most incredible photographs, Brad, these orbs, so-called.
We've got entire collections on my website of these orbs.
These balls of light that show up in photographs.
I'm not sure if they relate to the physical balls of light that people are seeing or not, but the suggestion is so obvious that so many died there and that it has something to do with the people who died there, Brad.
And again, so they're energy from the other side of the veil, and that's the way they're manifesting, and not so different than the physical balls that people are.
And it is distinctly different because if one of the ladies in her story would have got too close, I mean, there would have been burnt hair and sin.
Absolutely.
But that is a strange phenomena that really can't be replicated in the laboratory that I know of that scientists have been studying seriously, or at least recently.
They used to scoff at it, but now it's happened enough.
I heard Whitley interviewing the scientist on Dreamland.
And he has now proven that what are called plasma balls, which exist in the atmosphere, inexplicably are able to maintain or even increase their strength in the atmosphere.
Now, whatever would create something like this, in the normal law of physics stuff, you would explain, you would imagine would diminish with time, but they have actually proven in the lab that these plasma balls, whatever they are, are able to either maintain their size or increase in size, and there's nothing to explain that.
So we have a natural phenomenon, which is very difficult to explain at this moment in space and time.
And then we have what I think we are believing and conceding is a spiritual phenomenon.
The orbs from the other side that represent either the vehicles with which the visitors, the other, travel or manifest, and then the spirit of those who have gone to the other side.
Are they like maybe some people survived in ancient, you know, from ancient, all those past civilizations and some little bits of DNA were passed down somehow?
The extra nipple thing is quite apart from the other things we're discussing.
I have heard one time or another from women who had one extra nipple, but the fact that you have two right beneath, again, and, you know, I will say, as Art did, no comparison, but we know, of course, that there are other mammals who do have rows of nipples, and I'm amazed that a doctor has never commented on it.
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Maybe when I was little, I don't remember looking lately.
But again, that's extraordinary and what it means of the vesidial tail.
We know that many evolutionists believe that at one time our evolving species did have tails, but I don't know of any of the greater apes or monkeys or any of our hominid cousins who have rows of nipples other than dogs and cats and that type of thing.
In the meantime, if you would send along that photograph.
First time caller align.
You're on the air with Brad Seiger and Art Bell.
Good morning.
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Good morning, Art.
Good morning, Brad.
Hi.
Hi, I'm Bob.
I'm living here at WLS out of Chicago.
Hey, Bob.
And in August of 81, I used to spend my summers out by my cousins.
And one summer, that summer, he told me about a ball that's been hanging around his house.
I thought he was just trying to scare the crap out of me.
I was about 15 at the time.
And we were coming back from a swimming party, probably about 9.30 at night.
I had a brand new pair of glasses on.
We both weren't drinking anything.
And we were coming parallel on the next block over from this house.
And I see this light, this ball of light.
He's like, there it is.
There it is.
So we turned off the lights, turned the corner, and we were creeping up on this thing, and this is hovering under the window in the kitchen where my parents and his parents were.
And this thing shot out in front of us, in front of the street, maybe about 25 feet up above the ground.
We turned the lights on, and this thing moved at a velocity that I have never seen anything move before in my life.
It was a fluorescent green, about the size, maybe a little smaller than a stop sign, a little bigger than a basketball.
Didn't change size at all.
But after we had both seen it, it had never came back.
They had seen it earlier that week, just one person had seen it, and then they'd tell the other person.
But nobody had seen it, both two people, until me and my cousin, and then it never came back.
But this thing moved, and I tell you, it was aware of us.
Yeah, but I mean, this is before swamp, you know, you thought of those things, but it could have been Will-O-the-Wisp or, you know, Firefox or whatever.
So I thought, well, that's a good story.
So one night I'm driving home after dark, and there it is in front of my car.
And again, just as this gentleman is describing, in the headlights.
But this thing came right at me and went right through my windshield and right out the rear window.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Brad Steiger.
Good morning.
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Good morning, sir.
Hi.
I'm just fascinated by what you're talking about, and I believe in I have seen certain things since I was young.
UFOs, what I call the black people, certain little things that were mysterious to me, but I'm with you as far as all of this, some sort of way being connected.
And I don't understand or know how, but a lot of the principles that I believe that are into that coral castle thing you guys were talking about is some sort of reverse polarity or something, using the Earth's polarity to make things, magnetism to come against.
The same with the small UFO I saw as an 18-year-old that made no sound and was so small that no one could be inside of it that I could figure, you know, three foot high.
But the ability to move from dead zero to a blinding zigzaggy speed is just, to me, smacks of magnetism.
I'm in Gainesville, Georgia here, and this happened, and I live like out in a rural part out on the chicken farm.
Okay.
And was coming home one night and saw a small craft with a red light blinking in the middle of it and two white orbs, which looked like an airplane off in the distance.
And as I went down a hill, the craft went down the hill also.
So when I got to the top of the hill, I stopped the automobile and the craft stopped.
And each one looks at the UFO mystery from a little different angle because I think that's how complex it is.
And what Art and I did in the source was kind of try to tie a lot of things together.
But the reptilian, I've said for years now that we could very well be dealing with terrestrial or extraterrestrial reptilian species they could have in their world or even in our planet because we've had enough time on our planet for more than one evolution of a superior species.
So I was really excited when I saw some of the research of two Canadian scientists who, and I've used this illustration, I've had a drawing made of what a reptile or what a dinosaur man would look like.
And it's for all the world, Spanakosaurus, which had a flexible thumb for all the world is what people are describing when they're having UFO encounters with what is euphemistically known as the greys at this time.
And I felt this since the 60s when I participated in a number of hypnotic regressions of abductees and contactees.
Well, at that time, again, that was not the title I chose.
It was simply indicating that one should be very cautious in approaching UFOs and cautious in dealing with the entire mystery because it could be hazardous to your health.
The man who built the Coral Castle built what you're looking at there.
it's clearly uh...
magnetic rotational and it almost looks like i think that there was a movie which i can think of the title of right now which has something that looked like almost looked like this and uh...
was it some sort of a portal or time travel is a contact now no matter contrary saying it looks like the what that that we have been rainbow conspiracy it's incredible huge artifact that was found on government land and the picture was given to us and uh...
at some kind of device that has little hieroglyphics all over it now we've just got to remember this is inside of building that was impossible to build right and went to the grave as you pointed out with a secret after being beaten but look at this thing good
lord by its best picture i've ever seen i i've heard about crocassum i've seen pictures of the outside of it but i've never no i have seen anything like this that's a new one of the documentary with the strong that's involved i should have been huh it should have been haha haha haha haha all right was to the rockies you're on the air with brad steiger and art bell good morning good morning art and uh...
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steiger how you doing this is really an honor you know i've been listening to you for almost ten years now this is michael and phoenix yes michael and uh...
you know that the the main question that i have right now for both of you if i could address both of you is is um...
art and rod what influence do you think that these extraterrestrials these these beings that are not of our of our space and time
In a way, we answered that toward the beginning of the program or just after the beginning of the program, in that we are more than just physical beings and connected to more.
The subtitles of one of my books, Gods of Aquarius, is UFOs and the Transformation of Man.
So that kind of says our attitude.
Sherry and I, again, our research, and that's why it ended up so much in the giants.
We've gone to many, many foreign countries and been collecting artifacts, which we feel indicates that at least as a thesis, we feel that the influence on our evolution has been considerable and probably on our destiny is interwoven with our own.
I think that there is an incredible, advanced, symbiotic relationship between us and the other.
Yeah, Alex Hamilton Brown is the really wonderful man who put this together.
And Graham Whiffler, who has done a number of specials for NBC.
And David McCallum is the narrator.
He was a friend, boyhood chum of Alex's dad back in Scotland.
And this grew out of Alec Hamilton Brown reading my Worlds Before Our Own in the British edition and cherishing the idea of the chapter Giant Men and Giant Reptiles.
Now, Senator Harry Reid actually does come from a smaller town than I do, Searchlight, Nevada.
From humble beginnings in the tiny town of Searchlight to the second highest ranking Democrat in the U.S. Senate, Harry Reid has distinguished himself as a fighter for Nevadans and all American families in the corridors of power in Washington, D.C., recognizing his trajectory in public service.
The Las Vegas Sun said that Reed, quote, has gone from underdog to the Senate's top dog, end quote.
Parade magazine, the nation's largest weekly, identified Senator Reed as one of a handful of leaders in Washington who possesses, quote, integrity and guts, end quote.
Nevada's first elected him to the Senate in 1986, and he has developed a reputation as a consensus builder and a very, very accomplished legislator.
He is my senator in Washington.
And here's something, just a partial statement.
I won't read it all because really he can tell you about it, but this was a statement by Senator Reid Friday, February 15th.
Quote, today President Bush has betrayed our trust and endangered the American public by deciding to ship 77,000 tons of nuclear waste across the entire country and store it at Yucca Mountain, Nevada.
As a candidate for president, George W. Bush declared, quote, I believe sound science, not politics, must prevail in Washington, must prevail in the designation of any high-level nuclear waste repository and Washington as well.
As president, I would not sign legislation that would send nuclear waste to any proposed site unless it's been deemed scientifically safe.
End quote.
He said this while campaigning in Nevada in May of 2000.
You know, he was here in Nevada and said that.
Didn't ask us to read his lips, but asked us to believe him.
Nevadans did.
George W. Bush would not be president without having received Nevada's votes in the Electoral College.
You remember that debacle of an election that we had?
Well, without Nevada, it would not have been President Bush, and without that promise, I doubt that he would have had Nevada here from, I'm not sure exactly where, maybe at home in Searchlight is Senator Harry Reid.
Well, I just feel that if we go back and look at the election, George Bush came to Nevada once.
He came to Lake Tahoe.
He wouldn't take questions from the press because at that time he was afraid to answer any questions regarding nuclear waste because his position had always been contrary to Nevada's interests.
But as the election got closer and closer and he felt Nevada's four electoral votes may mean something.
And at that time, Gore was ahead in the election.
He issued a number of statements through other people, through Vice President Cheney, through Governor Gwynn, and others, saying that he would not allow nuclear waste to come to Nevada except if there were good science.
Well, from the time that he made that statement till today, this science has been turned on its head.
For example, the General Accounting Office, which is the watchdog of Congress, certainly no one can ever accuse them of being anything but unbiased.
They said that it was not ready to have a recommendation made because as we speak, there's 292 scientific investigations that the DOE is waiting for.
In addition to that, the Nuclear Waste Technical Review Board, which is entity set up to review nuclear waste, again, independent.
This one is led by former dean of the Yale School of Forestry.
He's now president of Carnegie Mellon in Pennsylvania, one of the finest schools in America.
He and his group said the science at Yucca Mountain is poor.
We know that there's a big law firm that was giving legal advice to the Department of Energy, and their own Inspector General found it was a conflict of interest because that law firm was also representing the Nuclear Energy Institute at the same time was giving advice to the Department of Energy.
So President Bush simply should not have done this.
We learned in Time Magazine that came out today that we're trying to get rid of soft money, corporate money.
And so Time Magazine has gone into a review as to what money President Bush took in soft money, and $25,000 we know that he took from the Nuclear Energy Institute, the same group of people that's trying to put nuclear waste in Nevada.
So he had plenty of information not to do what he did, just withhold what he was doing until he had some evidence to show that it was sound science.
He didn't wait to do that.
I think it was unfair.
I think he misled not only the people of Nevada, but the American people.
I'll stop by just saying this.
The number one issue in America today with every environmental group, now on any issue, you usually get some environmental groups that don't always agree one way or the other.
But here, they all agree that transportation of nuclear waste cannot be done safely.
First of all, these nuclear utilities, which have spent in the last three years, $30 million lobbying Congress, giving campaign contributions, flying people to Las Vegas to take them up to Yucca Mountain for two hours and put them up here for three or four days.
What we have found is that they say, well, we have to have it in one spot, so bring it to Nevada.
Well, that's so ridiculous.
Of the approximately 110 generating facilities we have in America today, you're never going to get rid of the nuclear waste because they continue generating it.
So to say there's only going to be one spot is simply illogical.
What do you do with it?
Leave it where it is.
That's what they're doing in various places around America today, Calvert Hills outside Boston.
They're putting it in what they call dry gas storage containers.
Scientists say it would be safe there for 100 years.
It's cheap.
It would be easier to secure it there than trying to haul it.
Each one of these containers would weigh 135 tons.
It would take 100,000 truckloads, 20,000 train loads.
That's 120,000 targets of opportunity for terrorists.
So leave it where it is.
It would be safe.
It would be secure.
And you wouldn't have to worry about transporting it.
Remember, this act that they're trying to put the stuff in Nevada based upon is 20 years old.
A lot of things have happened in that 20 years.
The only thing that hasn't happened is the Department of Energy, the bureaucrats down in the bowels of the Department of Energy, there may be administrations change, but the bureaucrats don't.
And they have been pellmail toward fulfilling that 1982 act, which by now is antiquated.
And I believe that, especially since September 11th, we've got to be very careful.
We have a Congressman Ed Markey, who's a longtime member of Congress today, spoke out saying the nuclear facilities, they don't even check when someone goes to work there if they're a terrorist.
They let them work there for 30 days while they're running the test to find out if they're qualified to work there.
And, you know, they're trying to ship this.
One of the proposals is to ship from some of the reactors in the northern part of New York, shipping them down the river, Hudson River.
These things are just, they do not have a plan for transportation.
So you are absolutely right on target.
It would be so, so dangerous to ship it.
And this is a problem that would affect 43 states.
What they would do is take them out of the cooling ponds.
As I said at Calvert Hills, what they're doing there, take them out of the cooling ponds, put them in dry calf storage containers, which is on-site storage.
And certainly, we've already spent at Yucca Mountain $8 billion.
And it's estimated that by the time that's finished, it would be upwards of $80 billion, some say $100 billion, whereas you can store them on-site for an average of maybe $10 or $15 million per site.
Think of the savings of that to the American people and the safety factor involved.
I mean, realistically, you're not going to be able to ship 135-ton casks all over America.
People aren't going to allow that to happen.
We have learned in years past that anytime the federal government starts talking about you're okay with things nuclear, you go back to the early part of the last century where they had these over-the-counter drugs that people used for arthritis and toothaches and stuff, and rotted out people's bones and killed some.
We know that x-rays, they said that was safe.
My father-in-law died as 53 years old from leukemia as a result of having worked as an x-ray technician as a young man.
We know the above-ground nuclear tests here in Nevada were extremely dangerous, made lots of people sick and killed people.
So when the federal government comes to us and said, don't worry, don't worry, everything is going to be just fine.
We're going to haul this stuff and nobody has to worry about a thing.
We're dealing with the most poisonous substance known to man, plutonium, and you can't haul it safely, especially with terrorists waiting around every corner.
That's why leaving it where it is and letting the scientists work on it.
I mean, we have a number of very interesting proposals.
Senator Menerci, a Republican from the state of New Mexico, and I do work together on the Energy and Water Subcommittee and appropriations.
We appropriate $22 billion a year every year.
Some of that goes to a lot of research at the labs.
New Mexico has two labs.
California has one.
There are a number of other ones.
And we think there's some really interesting things that can be done.
We had a great program at Clench River in Tennessee during the 70s and early 80s that was knocked out because they were afraid plutonium would get in the hands of the Soviets.
Had we stayed on that program, we wouldn't need any Nevada test site.
Well, President Clinton, when he vetoed the last time they tried to do this under a different statutory framework, we were able to get 33 Democrats and two Republicans.
With Senator Ensign there now, who is a Republican, we are hopeful that we are going to get more.
I'm working hard on the Democrats.
He's working hard on the Republicans.
And our goal is to get 51.
That's what we need.
We're not there yet.
We're probably in the 37 or 38, something like that.
But we have a lot of things to do.
We hope to be able to change people's minds.
The two senators from Utah certainly should try to help us because they know what it's like to have nuclear waste jammed down their throat.
They tried to do it at an Indian Reservation there.
We have great expectations for the two senators from Vermont who haven't voted with us before, and that's an extremely environmentally conscious state.
We hope that there are two Democrats there, or I should say a Democrat and an independent.
In New Hampshire, we have hopes there.
That's turned into an extremely environmentally conscious state.
So anyway, we're working on all kinds of things to get them in numbers up to 51.
Once you start discussing price, you become a prostitute, no matter what the price may be.
And the fact is, people who say, well, what we'll do is we won't have to pay income tax.
These people are living in a dreamland.
Just like New Mexico, which has low-level waste at the facility there called the Whip Facility Waste Isolation Project, they were promised all kinds of things.
They've gotten nothing.
And there's nothing to give.
I mean, last year we had a surplus of over $4 trillion.
We now have a deficit of zero, zip, nothing.
Where's the money going to come from?
Nevada's going to get nothing for this, and that's why we shouldn't get nuclear waste.
Now, there are times when you don't, when a person doesn't ask the right question, you know, you don't volunteer things that may not be in your interest, but you never lie.
You never hide the truth.
You know, I think that people, Ronald Reagan, as an example, there are a lot of things I disagreed with him politically, but I always felt that he was a person who told it the way it was.
So I don't think a person has to lie to be a successful politician.
I mean, I can look at over my career, the people I've served with, some people who are listening to this program, which covers so much area will not remember him, but Governor Michael Callahan, who was governor of Nevada for eight years, probably the best governor Nevada has ever had.
And he's a person who would die before he would tell a lie.
He's one of the most honest people I've ever known.
George Mitchell, who was majority leader of the Senate.
I've served with some people who set a great example, who are certainly in keeping with what I think a member of the clergy should be is for truth and veracity.
Senator Harry Reid, our senator, my senator here in Nevada.
And we're talking about all sorts of things, I guess, ethics and government.
Maybe we'll even talk a little bit about soft money and whether that signature really, really will go on the bill and whether it'll be a smile or a frown as he signs.
I'm Mark Bell.
This is Coast to Coast A.M. Once again, U.S. Senator Harry Reid.
Senator Reed, again, with reference to where I live, I'm out here in Prompta, very close to where all this is going to be.
And you know, we had this big earthquake not all that long ago, about 7.3 out in the desert.
And they're always saying that this is going to be very geologically safe.
And they're constantly, gee, we're having a lot of earthquakes on the California-Nevada border.
It just doesn't seem that geologically safe.
And then one other thing.
Perump, Nevada, my little town, is growing so fast because it has this wonderful aquifer under it with all this water.
And so we worry about that aquifer, and we worry about earthquakes and the possibility of any of that stuff getting into the groundwater.
Well, first of all, I have a brother who lives on Pagosa Valley, and he's concerned because he's closer than you are.
Right.
We know that from the work that's been done at the Nevada test site that there is movement of water.
We know that from some of the work that's been done out there, which has been a lot of the work.
So we are concerned about that, and we have to be.
I don't know if it takes a great deal of understanding.
They say you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that if you have the most poisonous substance known to man, put it in the ground and something happens.
You talk about earthquakes.
Yes, we have had earthquakes.
In fact, if we could view now earthquake zones in the United States, there's only one other place in the whole United States that has more earthquakes than we do here where the test site is, the Yucca Mountain is.
They're very close together.
We've had 11 during the last three years, 11 earthquakes right at the Yucca Mountain.
So I think this is kind of a...
Originally, you were going to have to have three different sites that the president would look at.
They would characterize three sites, different rock formations.
In 1987, they decided to get rid of Texas and Washington and just stick with Nevada.
But the scientists have determined, the DOE scientists have determined, that it cannot be geologically placed in Yucca Mountain.
So what they're going to do, 90% of the Yucca Mountain will be something to hold the nuclear waste.
Well, they're saying it won't be in the ground because the ground's not safe.
So most people say, well, if that's the case, why do you need to do it there?
You Boat in the middle of New York City if you're going to put it in a case and store it away.
So they've got all kinds of problems, but they're sticking their head in the sand like the ostrich and saying these problems don't exist.
But the American people are not going to let stuff travel through 43 different states.
About, I don't know, Senator, it might have been a year ago on Good Morning America, they had this incredible, incredible demonstration.
A man took some really awful nuclear waves, put it through a process while they were actually on the air on Good Morning American, within 30 minutes had cut the amount of radiation coming from it by half.
You wonder what happens to things like this.
I mean, that was pretty high profile on Good Morning America.
There are really some interesting things going on, and that's why I mentioned Dominici and I are going to spend some of our taxpayers' monies during the next couple years to find out about them.
As a result of the Star Wars program, there's been a lot of work done by scientists dealing with accelerators.
And they believe that there's no question in my mind that the scientists are right who say that we no longer have to worry about nuclear waste the way we did in the past because through the accelerators that have already been developed, you can knock out a lot of the bad things in nuclear waste within a matter of days, not 10,000 years.
And so we're going to work on that.
Transmutation is one of the things it's called.
There are a number of other programs.
There's something that a number of Russian scientists have developed.
I met with them and my science advisor last week in Washington.
There is a product called thorium.
There's thorium every place.
It's almost as available as sand on the beach.
And they believe through using thorium, you can also get rid of a lot of the bad things and make their waste.
Nuclear power plants, which already were sort of on the line of being financially viable, they really weren't all that financially viable, now face an additional expense because they're going to have to be guarded.
The security of nuclear plants is going to have to go way up because they're obvious targets.
So doesn't that make nuclear plants, new ones, for example, all the less viable?
I don't think America is going to build a new nuclear plant.
We haven't built one in almost 25 years and there are none on the drawing board.
The reason for that is Three Mile Island and a number of other problems, not the least of which is the nuclear waste.
But the problem with security existed before September 11th.
We now are focusing on it as we should.
As I indicated earlier in your program, Ed Markey, longtime congressman from Massachusetts, is very, very concerned about what the nuclear power plants are doing when they hire people.
They hire somebody and then run the background check, which takes 30 to 45 days.
During that 30 to 45 days, someone could get a complete layout of the plant.
They could be a terrorist while they're there and do some bad things.
I have joined with Joe Lieberman and Hillary Clinton.
And I think I shouldn't mention their person's name because I may be wrong.
We have a Republican working with us.
I failed to mention.
I don't know who it is, and I don't want to embarrass the person.
But the four of us have called for doing something about the security force that guards all these plants.
There should be standardized rules.
We might want to, if we believe that it's important that there be federal rules and regulations for the employees that check your baggage, shouldn't there also be federal rules and regulations for people that are watching over a nuclear power plant?
I had a report from one of our science reporters that one truck driver was able to just drive right onto the property of a nuclear plant while there was nobody at the guard shack.
Well, not only to our economy, but I think also, I don't think it's just an accident that almost, I shouldn't say all children, that's an exaggeration, but many, many children in America today have respiratory problems.
Asthma is so bad now in America, and it's because of the air.
You know, you can drive toward Henderson or Las Vegas, and it's like many other American cities, maybe a little worse, and it's just you don't recognize the fact that there should be a blue sky up there.
What people can do, as I said, the House of Representatives, we can't, the lobbyists, as far as this issue, they control that.
But in the Senate, it's not the case.
And people within the sound of our voices, if they would contact the senators in their states and simply with a letter, a phone call to their office, say, do not allow nuclear waste to be transported across my state.
Whether they're calling from Wyoming, whether they're calling from Colorado, Arizona, wherever it might be, we need help.
We need help with senators.
And we're very, very close to winning this issue.
This would truly be a victory for the American people because we are underdogs.
We are being outsent.
The state of Nevada finally appropriated some money to allow us to try to respond a little bit.
And the businessmen in Nevada also came up with some money so we could hire some lobbyists to help us.
You know, I am sorry to report that we had a difficult time finding somebody because the nuclear power industry literally had hired everybody, very, very large sums of money.
We were fortunate to finally get President Reagan's former chief of staff, Ken Duberstein, and President Clinton's chief of staff, former chief of staff, John Podesta.
So we were able to get those.
But we had to go through a lot of people before we could get these people to help us.
Letters because anthrax has really cut down their profitability.
They don't work as well as they did.
But you still send a letter.
The best way to do it is to call a senator's office and say, would you please deliver this message to Senator Smith of Oregon or Senator Hatch of Utah or Senator Allard of Colorado?
Tell them that we do not want them to vote to allow nuclear waste to be transported across this country.
You know, we're elected to use our best judgment on what we should do.
But if people bring to our attention, for example, if when Chris gives me the mail report every week and I look at it and I say, man, look at the people calling in on nuclear waste.
I better take a close look at that.
So yes, it does help.
And not only that, if there are enough calls coming in, I'll get a message before the week's out, people saying, you know, there's something that has to be done about this.
I think that there are a lot of people who, with reluctance, supported this, voted for it, and certainly the President said that he doesn't like the bill very much, but he's going to sign it, are hoping that the courts will knock it out.
I hope they get a real surprise there.
In the early part of last century, Congress passed a law that said you could not use corporate money in federal elections.
And that went on until about 12 years ago when the United States Supreme Court said that, well, you can't use money in federal elections, but you can give the money to state parties, and they can do with that money whatever they want.
So take, for example, the state of Nevada.
In 1998, there was less than 2 million people in the state of Nevada.
John Emson spent $10 million.
Harry Reid spent $10 million.
And there was about $3 million in independent expenditures.
I think that's a little heavy.
I think that's a little too much money.
I think that those kinds of large money that come from those corporations are corrupting.
I think that that doesn't mean everyone is corrupted, but it's corrupting.
When people give these huge sums of money, $250,000, $100,000, $50,000, it is corrupting.
And I think that the federal courts and the Supreme Court, I hope that they recognize that.
I think that this, you know, does free speech mean that the more money you have, the freer your speech is?
I don't think that's the way our country was set up.
Yeah, we need to get back the way when I first started running for federal office in our country where you went to an individual and said, will you help me?
And they either said yes or no.
And they were limited what they could give.
Their names were published as to what money they gave, what their occupation is.
And then pretty soon this corporate money stepped in, and there were all these faceless, nameless people who gave large sums of money to the state, Democratic, or Republican Party.
And that's where all these vicious issue advocacy acts.
That's Senator Harry Reed, my senator here in Nevada.
And really, in a lot of ways, you're a senator, too, because as I said at the bottom of the hour, and you think about this, if they can knock down the two biggest buildings in New York City, imagine what they can do to trucks that have potentially much more killing power transporting this crap all over the United States.