James Cox, a Cal Poly physics grad (1973) and former TRW/General Dynamics engineer, unveils his Gravito Inertial Lift System (GILS), a backpack using unbalanced lead masses spinning at 6,000 RPM to generate 400 lbs of pulsed lift—claiming it could hover for hours on a gallon of fuel. NASA’s Mars Odyssey data, per Richard C. Hoagland, hints at deep water ice and possibly recent liquid water, contradicting NASA’s dimmer-sun theory, yet the agency allegedly suppresses findings to avoid political backlash. Cox’s tech, inspired by the expired 1959 Dean Drive patents, could theoretically reach Mars in a week or win the $10M X Prize with suborbital flights, but faces skepticism over Newtonian violations and funding hurdles. Bell muses whether Cox’s radical propulsion might be the key to UFOs—or just "crazy like a fox." [Automatically generated summary]
It's the stuff in the middle I'm really, you know, very cranked up about because it's the stuff in the middle that we specifically predicted that NASA is trying to weasel word their way out from under.
Observations by NASA's 2001 Mars Odyssey spacecraft show a global view of Mars in intermediate energy or epithermal neutrons.
Soil enriched by hydrogen, remember water is H2O, hydrogen plus oxygen, is indicated by the deep blue colors on the map, which show a low intensity of the neutrons.
Progressively smaller amounts of hydrogen, and they then presume smaller amounts of water, are shown in colors from light blue to green to yellow to red.
Well, because of you, 20 million of them are getting it right now.
Let me continue, because this is where things get cute.
Light regions in the near equator contain slightly enhanced near-surface hydrogen, which is most likely chemically or physically bound because water ice is not stable near the equator.
In other words, those two big blue areas 180 degrees apart on the equator, they're claiming it's some kind of weird chemistry as opposed to water under the soil.
And the reason they're claiming that is because if you look at the long-term models of Mars, you know, millions and billions of years, if water was at the equator, even under current temperatures, at Mars' current distance from the sun, it would all have evaporated.
So they're looking at this map, and they're looking at their model, which is not the tidal model of Hoagland and Berra.
Remember, we're presuming, they're presuming the hydrogen is linked to water, except when they get to the equator, there's this huge splotch in the middle of the map.
Yeah.
And then on each edge, the way this map runs, the 180-degree parts are at each edge.
That's what our model predicted, that the original oceans were concentrated in two oceans 180 degrees apart in what's called a tidal situation with the planet that Mars used to orbit.
When that lock was broken, when that planet was destroyed, exploded, or collided with something in the Van Flandern or the Hoagland model, the waters would have rushed from those elevated portions, because the gravity would have reverted to Mars only.
They would have rushed down to the lower regions of the planet, right in the lower region.
And since NASA can't explain recent water, recent being a few million years at the equator, because even in that amount of time it would evaporate, they're claiming that that blue stuff that says hydrogen has got to be some other hydrogen compound, which of course is arm-waving.
It's weasel wording.
The most prevalent hydrogen compound in the universe is water.
Richard, in the article, the BBC article I read, they suggested that there's so much water there that under the Earth at some point it might even be in a liquid state.
Then they go on to speculate that that could equal some form of life.
Yeah, there's claiming as you go down toward the center of planet, you know, as you go down in major mines on Earth, I think the temperature rises about a degree every thousand feet or something.
So by the time you get down to a mile or so for the deepest gold or diamond mines, the temperature is in the like 110, 120 degrees.
So they're assuming that if you have geothermal, which would be areothermal, using the right Mars nomenclature, energy sources under the Mars underground, you would obviously get warmer and warmer soil as you go closer and closer to the core.
And at some modest depth, you know, a mile or two, you may have enough temperature, geothermal heat coming up to melt the ice.
So it would be liquid water.
And they're basically speculating that there they might be microbes in those underground pools.
But that's, again, arm-waving.
Because you've got to explain the distribution of water under the current conditions.
If you just look ahead to what it means, for example, doesn't this mean, a lot of people will want to know this, that a flight to Mars, a manned flight to Mars, is now not only possible, but probably inevitable if this water is real?
As you said at the opening of the show, you melt this ice, you break it down into hydrogen and oxygen using either nuclear power or solar power.
You basically store it in separate tanks, liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen.
You then put them into a shuttle-like vehicle.
And you can come home because you have refilled your tanks when you get there.
This has dramatically, incredibly undercut the cost of going to Mars because, as you know, chemical rockets normally have to carry fuel to go both ways.
But you can refuel at the other end.
Plus, of course, you've got oxygen to breathe.
You don't have to take the oxygen for the crew to breathe, because you can live off the land, as Bob Zuber and Bob Zuber.
Well, with technology, the human race can live anywhere it wants to, provided you've got something to live off of.
We now know that on Mars, we have exactly the right stuff to live off the land, and it has completely changed.
I cannot emphasize this enough, it has completely changed the equation, both scientifically, economically, and therefore politically, of sending men and women to Mars to find out what the hell is really there.
You know, we have our Bush sources that we've talked about on the show before.
I was explicitly told even before the first Odyssey press conference, where they released a rather incredible image that we're going to get to in a couple of minutes, that George Bush Jr. was going to make an announcement this summer regarding a manned Mars mission.
Lyndon Johnson, when he was president, if there were leaks in the Washington Post or whatever about what he was going to announce, he wouldn't do it.
So they are flatly, I think, all those people all around town, except of course for the Brits, who in their story, the BBC story, they talk about this as now spurring discussion of the manned Mars mission.
They could care less what George does or does not want, but the guys at NASA so want a manned Mars mission that they're downplaying this so that nobody like us will sit on the radio and speculate about this as a next announcement.
I had a communique during the break from somebody who wanted me to explain why Mars pre-catastrophe was such a wonderful, benign place and what happened to it.
In a standard model, remember, the one that NASA is claiming is real, you have Mars as a dust ball, you have this water on it in an icy form, and you have a sun which is 30% dimmer, so it's never, ever, ever been water.
I mean, if it's frozen now, you can imagine if you were to dim the sun by 30%, hell the oceans here would freeze, right?
So how do we get a warm Mars with a fluffy atmosphere and rain and liquid water, which all the evidence from Malin's camera has been showing is part of the gullies?
It's crucial in science when you're right, to be acknowledged that you're right.
Because the only way you get to keep doing things in science is to write.
If you're wrong too many times, nobody will ever listen to you, and they won't read your papers, and they won't take you seriously, and they won't look at the stuff that you're pointing at.
Now, it's obvious that the honest guys are looking at this image, showing the concentration of blue at the equator in those two regions 180 degrees apart.
And in their wildest imaginings, they can't imagine how you could have water for billions of years at the equator of Mars.
So they're claiming, oh, the hydrogen has to be locked up in something else.
But that undercuts the simple Occam's razor model.
Some of the things this could mean, Richard, would be, for example, you know, if we're talking about billions and billions of years, to use a Saganism, then there could have been intelligent life on Mars.
Well, that intelligent life perhaps saw a catastrophic event coming, and if it had evolved far enough, it would have come to Earth.
It would have known to get the hell out of Dodge and the next Dodge would be us.
We now know, we put a major piece up on the web tonight.
Mike and I wrote this over the weekend, and we've been kind of sitting on it to wait for the right time.
Tonight was the right time because of this NASA announcement.
This was released of a region of Mars at about 2 degrees north and 29 degrees west, near the equator, okay?
And it's a region called a chaos region.
Mars has several of these.
There are areas where on the visible images, it looks like something had just shattered the ground like it was a drinking glass and it had cracked, and you have all these fractures.
In the infrared, of course, the warm stuff is, this is nighttime IR.
The warm stuff is bright, and the dark stuff is cold.
And what we see are a series of basins, catchments, with these incredibly regular walls surrounding them.
NASA calls them mesas.
But they can't explain why the mesas, if they're made of rock, have dust on top on a planet where the wind blows 300 miles an hour are.
I mean, there's no dust on my tables out here where the wind blows at just 40 miles an hour.
And these incredibly intricate geometric walls look, in fact, like walls.
Well, we put together a model which basically says that this region at the catastrophe, when Mars had it, when the planet orbited blew up, the fragments all hit Mars, the oceans sloshed, the tides roared, the waters, incredible floods, biblical type floods, with trillions of tons of mud and sediments and detritus, flooded all the low-lying areas and flooded this region.
And these were ancient ecologies, huge, enclosed, city-like environments that would be basically compared to L.A. If you flooded L.A. That is what it looks like.
And knocked down all the skyscrapers, the foundations would all accumulate the sediments.
And then the L.A. basin for a while would be a flat mud sea, all the way up to the San Gabriel Mountains, right?
Then as the erosion progressed, as you had wind and waves and rain and normal Earth's atmosphere, you would get erosion.
And eventually, those foundations would peak up above the surface because the waters would be flowing out to sea carrying the sediment.
That's we think what we're seeing, which of course makes so achingly appropriate the announcement tonight that Mars was a huge amount of water, a water planet as you just called it, because without all that water, this scenario would not work.
Now this scenario is the only one that makes sense.
And when Roger Gibbs, who was the Odyssey project manager, gave his recent two-night lectures at JPL and Pasadena City College a couple weeks ago in LA, in Pasadena, he showed this photograph and he admitted in front of both audiences that they haven't a clue as to what this really means.
He couldn't understand why the dust is on top, while the spaces between these so-called mesas are clear of dust where you'd expect it to accumulate.
But if in fact these are the foundations of incredible massive architecture and you get erosion by wind of the drying muds over millennia, this makes perfect, perfect, perfect sense.
He also admitted, now we've got a story on the web, you know, where we're comparing this image with the Sidonia images because I think that we're looking at two versions of the same structures.
The ones at Sidonia didn't suffer the tremendous wave and wind and water action of the catastrophe because it's now obvious that they were built after the great floods.
This image that you're looking at is before.
Sidonia is after.
And if it's after, it was abandoned because of other factors and it has been whittled away by wind erosion, by sand, by dust storms, not by massive amounts of water.
So what NASA has done tonight is given us the keys to ferreting out the intricate history of Mars and Earth and how they are intertwined.
Because I firmly believe that when this, you know, you know what fan, that the refugees had to come here and basically we're them.
I think almost any reasonable person has got to admit that's a possibility.
Again, we're going to bump into the old familiar here, of course, Richard, and that's, you know, creation and, no, God did it this way.
But, you know, just looking at the bare facts, if there's that much water on Mars, and that water was above the planet at some point, then it's likely there was life.
So if you have a planet awash in water, and if you have a history, which our tidal model firmly says now you had, where that water was once liquid, where there were blue skies and fluffy clouds and rainbows and all the things we enjoy here until the terrible thing happened, then it's almost impossible, given that there was roughly the same amount of time for life to evolve there as there was for life to evolve here.
If there is rich microbial life under the surface of Mars now, which is that, Richard, how dangerous might that be for Mars travelers?
In other words, there's microbial stuff that we as human beings, at least in billions of years, depending on which model you want to look at, have never encountered.
How dangerous might that be?
And how many precautions would have to be taken if man goes to Mars?
Yeah, if you've got a long trip to get to Mars, you're going to then live on Mars for a while, exist on Mars.
And that's what I'm wondering: whether people, for example, would worry that our men would land, and within some period of time, pretty short time, they'd come down with something and die.
But there are modern ways to prevent class war containment from being breached, even on this planet.
We have incredibly dangerous things stored in bioweapons labs and with the Center for Disease Control and all that.
And there's this huge Russian facility, which I presume you've been seeing on television, where they produced hundreds of thousands of tons of the most deadly toxins imaginable.
And that's right in this biosphere.
And we don't get kind of bent out of shape because we assume that they knew what they were doing and they didn't want to kill themselves.
Well, with exploring Mars, we have an even incredible greater benefit.
We have space.
We have 35 million miles between us.
We have a space station hundreds of miles upstairs.
We could build another one, you know, to produce quarantine facilities that would be absolutely, you know, foolproof with multiple layers.
And maybe still, is this what Arthur, my dear friend Arthur, plugged into the inner, inner sanctum, is this what he's been trying to tell us for over a year?
I mean, do you think that's what's coming, assuming that his thunder isn't stolen, which is what you seem to be suggesting, that he will announce a manned mission to Mars in the summer?
For a long time, Richard, I've thought that people here on planet Earth with all of its troubles right now, in India and Pakistan, ready to throw nukes around at each other and all the mess that's going on out there, we need something larger to think about, concentrate on, hope for, and believe in.
And such a thing would be a great thing for not just the United States right now, but for all of humanity, you know, to go to another planet.
You know, I was watching Chris Matthews tonight, just before you came on, and he's in Israel interviewing Israelis and Palestinians, you know, man on the street.
Right.
He talked to some Palestinian kids, and it is so incredibly depressing because their highest vision is to grow up to be terrorists, to kill Israelis.
We have got to give the kids of this planet something bigger, something more profoundly human to do with their futures to kill each other and to hate each other.
And the unifying glue of looking at ourselves against the context of life in another part of the solar system that may or may not be related, that may or may not have had a history incredibly splendiferous paired to ours, from which we can learn right next door, where we can go back for pennies compared to what it costs to kill people day in and day out and build weapons and bombs of destruction.
Well, remember, we're doing a movie, and we're going to do our damn level best to make sure that vision is embodied in this film.
Because without vision, as you know, Lincoln said the people perish, and there's an awful lot of people on this planet tonight who are perishing because of lack of vision.
So if anybody wants the history of this going back 20, 30 years from when I got into it, you know, I've got a book out, the 2001 edition of The Monuments of Mars.
We're now going to put that in one category of excitement and move on to another.
Now, I don't know what's about to happen.
What I'm going to tell you is this.
I'm about to bring on a man, James Cox, who is going to tell us about something that he is either building or has built or is about to build.
It's the backpack personal lifter that he's currently perfecting.
The backpack personal lifter.
Now, what this man, James Cox, is about to talk to us about, basically, boiled down, I think, is anti-gravity.
In other words, we're talking if James is correct, I think, about a thing that you could put on your back and it would defy gravity for you, for lack of a better phrase.
And I'm sure we'll understand exactly what it's trying or theoretically doing before the night is over, but it would be a personal lifter.
In other words, you could, I guess, go floating around in the air, around the planet.
You could fly.
You could fly, if what he says is true.
I think.
When I asked about all of this, James Cox is a 57-year-old Vietnam vet.
He received his Bachelor of Science degree in physics from Californian Polytech in 1973.
Cox was a member of the technical staff of the TRW Space and Defense Group in Redondo Beach, California, where he specialized in ion space propulsion testing and magnetohydrodynamic power generation in rockets.
He later held the position of systems engineer for general dynamics, where he worked on Aegis, a weapons system upgrade, Star Wars electromagnetic gun development for Eglin Air Force Base Weapons and Development Center.
James is the inventor of the dipolar force field propulsion system for a high-altitude electrodynamic aircraft propulsion.
In 1972, he published the Space Drive Handbook reviewing the technology status of anti-gravity, teleportation, inertia propulsion, force-field propulsion, free energy, and UFOs as spacecraft.
James retired in 1999 to work full-time on anti-gravity and inertia propulsion and to publish a newsletter on anti-gravity and space-drive research.
He filed a patent in 2001 on the Gravito Inertial Lift System.
Listen to this now, a device that lifts payloads vertically without the use of rockets, jets, or propellers.
One application is the backpack personal lifter that he is currently perfecting.
We will talk with James, James Cox, in just a moment.
All right, Mr. Cox, I think, is a pretty unusual man.
Well, the problem that Newton had with gravitation was the idea of action at a distance.
The idea that there's something invisible there reaching out and grabbing onto the mass and pulling it back to the earth seems to go against common sense because whatever that is that's pulling mass down doesn't seem to have manifest itself in any physical way.
And so therefore, I'm more inclined to follow the ideas of a push gravity.
He's got a wonderful book called Dark Matter, and in there he has a section on push gravity using a particle, postulating the existence of a particle called the graviton C. And this is really how physics is.
Physics is based upon collisions, or what I call billiard ball physics.
So these particles are raining down upon us from space and pushing us against the surface of the Earth by collisions with the nuclei or atoms in our body.
The end result is what we would think of as anti-gravity.
In other words, you are able to repulse or pull or change something so that the present effects of gravity, as we understand them on Earth, don't have control any longer.
And you're telling me that at 3,000 rpm there would be an equality or even a deficit going, a surplus going the other way that would allow lifting from ground.
Well, the other problem is I live in an apartment where there's some senior citizens, and I'm already having a problem with them complaining about my noise.
When I run my device, it kind of shakes the whole building.
You know, James is just the kind of guy who actually might come up with what he says he's got.
In this world, you just never know.
God knows he's got a hell of a background.
Now, I'm telling you to go to my website, artbell.com.
All right.
When you get to my website, go to program tonight's guest info, and you'll see the name James Cox under Richard C. Oakland.
There are two things that you've got to see, actually several.
Number one, he's got a diagram of his device up there.
So a complete diagram of exactly how this thing looks and works, the internals of it, and then he's got another picture of the backpack itself.
This is really incredible.
I mean, I guess I can understand James' neighbors feeling perhaps the way they do.
Some older folks there going, this James over here is going to kill us all.
Or maybe he'll fly.
I don't know.
But he's really serious, and this is my dream.
I have always, in all my life, I don't know about the rest of you, but I've always dreamed of flying like a bird.
And this is exactly what it really offers.
I mean, you really could fly like a bird.
One can imagine as unsafe as some people worry the skies are right now, with everybody zipping around at 60 miles an hour or so, and you know they're going to go faster than that.
What kind of world it would be like out there?
The human collisions occurring at, say, 10,000 feet.
That'd be about right.
You don't need oxygen there.
10,000 feet, going about 60 miles an hour.
Anyway, we'll get back to James in a moment.
Crazy or a genius?
Or both?
I don't know.
You've got to get the picture of this backpack on your screen.
This backpack is incredible.
I'm looking at the picture of the backpack right now, James.
By the way, what do you think?
Do you think your neighbors think you're crazy or a genius or probably both?
But it's a very technical subject, and the complexity is very hard.
I've been working on it for 40 years, and it takes a long time to get to the point where you've got functioning apparatus that you can start to do measurements on.
Well, I had some really interesting audio recently of a man named Larry Walters who in real life went up in a lawn chair using balloons, James, and got up into the air traffic control patterns, Val A X. It was an amazing story.
And of course, he kind of got his wrists slapped.
He didn't really get in all that much trouble.
So you probably do it once, maybe, and probably get your wrists slapped.
But after that, I'm not sure what the legalities would be.
If you look at the early footage of man's attempts to fly, you know, before the Wright brothers got it right, and even when they did, a lot of people didn't believe him until years later.
But an awful lot of those people, oh, gee, I saw, you know, there's all kinds of footage, and generally, they killed themselves a lot.
You know, they crashed and stuff before they ever successfully flew.
So obviously, using your device for the first time is going to bring with it some risk, isn't it?
Now, I could, because all the energy, now, this is an important lesson here.
A reaction engine, a rocket engine, puts most of its energy in that exhaust stream, that high-velocity gas coming out of there absorbs a lot of energy.
Now, in my system, because it's a black box system, it takes that energy and recycles it through the system to create thrust.
I think the next generation of power source would be the fuel cell, which the automotive industry, I know Toyota is introducing a vehicle, a truck powered by hydrogen fuel cell this year for sale in Japan.
And that technology could then also be applied to my backpack.
I think the electric system, my gut feeling is that an electric fuel cell system is going to have a higher reliability than a gasoline system.
You know, there's a lot of instances where electric motors are used in industry and chemical plant processing and everything, and they just hardly ever fail.
One of the other ideas I had, they have a system for, I think it's even the ultralights.
If you have the same problem in that ultralight, if you have a collapse of your wing structure, there is a parachute that is a rocket-ejected parachute.
That keeps a rocket out, which gets the parachute deployed, and then that will open at low altitude and get you down.
Now, in your hand, again, I'm looking at this figure you've drawn.
In your hand, you've got a throttle, and you would control the rotation of the speed of the rotation of the engines, which would then control the amount of lift you have.
We're talking about strange terms here, lift, but it's terms that people can understand.
So that would really control the amount of lift, right?
No, I would imagine that this would be a fairly smooth process, but you say that when you're testing this, it shakes the entire, Oh, because I'm doing the static test on the ground.
If you just joined us, I can understand that you're puzzled, certainly.
We're talking to a man, James Cox, now 58 years of age, with an extensive background.
I'm going to read that again because I just think you understand, you need to understand who you're listening to.
And on the one hand, I know some people are sitting out there saying, crazy as a loon, but maybe crazy like a fox.
You've got to get to my website and see the diagram that he's provided, see the actual backpack.
And then most of all, now, you've got to see this picture of Dean and his machine from 1958 that used a drill motor and is, of course, a much smaller scale in a sense.
And you certainly can see if this principle is sound, if centrifugal force applied in the manner that he's talking about will actually cause lift and take something up off the ground.
It's claimed that this machine of Mr. Dean's, that you can see an actual photograph of, lifted up off the table, and that's what James is working on.
So we'll get back to all of this and James, James Cox, in a moment.
Stay right there.
All right, once again, so you understand James' background.
He's now 58 years old, a Vietnam vet.
He has a Bachelor of Science degree in physics from California Polytech in 1973.
He was a member of the technical staff of the TRW Space and Defense Group in Redondo Beach, California, where he specialized in ions-based propulsion testing and magnetohydrodynamic power generation in rockets.
He later held the position of systems engineer for General Dynamics, where he worked on the Aegis Weapon System upgrades and Star Wars electromagnetic gun development for the Upper Eglin Air Force Base Weapons Development Center.
I mean, this is some background, right?
He is the inventor of the Dipolar Force Field Propulsion System for high-altitude electrodynamic aircraft propulsion.
In 1972, he published the Space Drive Handbook reviewing the technology status of anti-gravity teleportation, inertial propulsion, force-field propulsion, free energy, and UFOs as spacecraft.
He publishes and to publish a newsletter on anti-gravity and space drive research, and he has filed a patent.
He did so in 2001 on the Gravito Inertial Lift System.
That's what we're talking about right now.
A device that lifts payloads vertically without the use of rockets, jets, or propellers.
One application is obviously as pictured here.
A backpack personal lifter uh that he is currently working on and perfecting.
And uh just as a matter of interest, James, how much money do you think you would need right now to take this where it needs to go?
Basically, we would like to get to a prototype status which would be ready for production with some minor modifications for improving manufacturability, etc.
And I think I need to bring in a mechanical engineer that can do a full-up professional engineering job on it, tests, selection of materials.
So, minus, if you don't get the $100,000, which is really, it's a lot and yet it's a drop in the bucket with what you're talking about here, if you don't get the $100,000, you're going to proceed anyway, aren't you?
James, why do you think if this much was known and was real in 1958, and this Mr. Dean looks like a pretty serious guy, why do you think NASA and, I don't know, General Dynamics and whoever all wouldn't grab onto this and proceed with the technology?
You mean science is, boy, we run up against that all the time in this program, whether it's Mars models, you know, or it's floating planets or whatever all.
We keep running up against this stone wall of scientists who just, no matter what, won't even examine something that might threaten their pet theories.
Obviously, if the Dean Drive worked and Dean had achieved some notoriety about his test, that would reflect on the foolishness of the decision to use a giant rocket to go to the moon and not the Dean Drive.
I would encourage people and will support people to do research on this.
And in particular, the key thing to study is the oscillator, The physics of the oscillator, because we need to chip away at the physics mindset that says that the oscillator cannot move its center of gravity.
And the whole key to the successful operation of this machine was a discovery about how this oscillator behaves.
These unbalanced rotors actually break corollary 4.
It's actually corollary 4 to Newton's third law.
And corollary 4 says that no system of bodies can, by any interactions of their own parts, alter the state of motion of their center of gravity.
So it doesn't violate the third law of action and reaction.
The oscillator still produces a backward and forward opposite and equal forces, but it does this with a time lag.
In other words, the forces are not simultaneous.
The action and reaction forces are not simultaneous.
There's a time lag between them.
And there's a trick.
There's a trick or secret in how you design this oscillator to get this time lag.
And it's basically called the Coriolis force.
The Coriolis force is the force that you experience on a merry-go-round.
Let's say you go on a merry-go-round, which is this toy that the children play with.
There's a loophole in Newton's third law that the physicists don't understand.
And the only way they're going to understand it is if they build this oscillator, and I want to give them the information tonight on how to build this oscillator.
Yes, but what they've been doing historically in the textbooks is ignoring the Coriolis force.
When you go and take your physics courses, they teach you about centrifugal force, but they don't teach you the Coriolis force until you're junior or senior in your physics classes.
And many engineers have never even heard of the Coriolis force.
And then incidentally, Dean called it the phasing phenomenon.
He was a student of Nikola Tesla.
And of course, you're an RF engineer, so you know about LCR tank circuits and how phase angles occur in the electrical circuit with the inductance, electric reactants, and Dean was a student of Tesla.
He admired very much Tesla's work.
And his oscillator is nothing more than an analog to an L C R tank circuit.
Equations are very similar Um Here Here's a couple more questions for you.
Again, I'm going back to the operation of this unit.
If you get this unit operational, it seems to me that its very nature is going to mean that you could leave, if you wanted to, with this, if it works, you could very easily and slowly leave the atmosphere.
Yes, it's very exciting because what this technology portends for the future is a possibility of constant 1G acceleration all the way to Mars, or at least to the midpoint.
Let's say Mars is 150 million miles away.
If you do calculation, accelerating at 1G, which is the normal gravity that we experience on Earth, it takes about three days to get to the midpoint and another three days to get to the surface of Mars.
So in about a week's time, we could be in orbit around Mars with this Dean Drive technology.
I certainly need to publish all my research, which would be a lot of work just to do the documentation on it.
But because of the enormous potentiality of this technology, everybody has a risk level that they're willing to take to learn something new and break their own mindset about how the universe is.
And I think we have now reached a point in this country where the independent researchers who are willing to take risks, many people like myself, hundreds of independent inventors, beautiful minds, we might say, are taking risks to come up with new inventions and technology.
And we're reducing the risk so that NASA can start looking at this without fear of their funding being caught off by.
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This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bill from the Kingdom of Dive.
Marmat, by the way, is going to be very, very interesting.
Major Ed Dames is going to be asked about Chandra Levy, among many other things, of course, but we'll certainly ask about that.
That one's really up in the air, kind of like this morning's topic.
What an incredible topic.
Kathy Fast Blasts.
What have I missed?
His pack caught himself working on anti-gravity?
Is it on your web?
Yes, it is, by the way.
She goes on, I printed the diagram.
Is this some form of forced rapture?
Forced rapture.
So, I don't know.
That would be technology then that only the Christians would have, and up they'd go.
Tombo did.
Thinking this internet thing might finally take off.
My guest is James Cox, and he's an engineer, and he's a lot of things.
He's a wild man, but he may be absolutely right about what he's doing.
Now, Mike in Las Vegas, I think, makes a pretty good observation.
I get these little computer messages, James, as I do the show, and he does make a good point.
He said, look, how hard could it be for him to get funding?
I just don't get it.
I mean, you're talking about the cost of a certainly $100,000 to really do it right, but to get a model that would fly or that's not the right word, really, would do what it does.
Anyway, defy gravity.
I keep getting stuck in all this just so people can understand it.
I guess that includes me.
But getting to that scale model, you're only talking about an engine and some work on your part.
The other thing that would be included, hopefully, would be to put together a computer simulation.
I think that would be, I don't know if the same person could do it as the engineer, but somebody needs to do a mathematical modeling of it so we can really dig into optimizing the design.
And of course, I'd need to basically get into a facility up here in the Reno area, get a building where I could set up a lab And do the testing and not worry about my neighbors complaining about the noise.
Now, are there any, and I'm sure you've thought very hard about this, and you know so much more about it than I do, that I'll just ask straight out, are there any possible lurking dangers in this?
Where do you see any possible danger in any of this, or is it totally non-dangerous?
If I can build this thing to the commercial quality that we have every day in the automobile engine, we're going to have a device that has equal reliability.
I mean, you can get 100,000, 200,000 miles out of these engines these days.
I've had anti-gravity conferences up here in Reno at the public library for the last two, three years.
I haven't had one since the year 2000.
And we've had some physics professors from UNR visit me.
And one of them, I won't mention his name, but he has certainly, he was very excited.
I got him up to my apartment and showed him the laboratory setup where I have a transducer mounted inside my system measuring the action and reaction forces.
And I can put it on the oscilloscope and you can compare the two forces.
And you find that the thrust force is 10 times larger than the recoil force.
And he was very excited and enthusiastic about it.
I have a friend who's there's another patent that I mentioned, my dipolar force field propulsion system, which is electric force field propulsion.
The other area of technology is propellantless propulsion that NASA is the thing that NASA uses, where you use your field to interact with the atmosphere, and you could presumably get into orbital velocity if you could have enough electricity to drive the thing.
And Michael McDonald, who has been on your show in the past as the UFO man hacker, has formed a company called Beta Bull Take.
His website is info at beta bulltake.com.
And he has a nuclear isotope power source that he is promoting.
And he wants to team up with me to use it in my field propulsion system for launching satellites to orbit.
Yeah, it would be a totally electrically propelled craft, a delta-wing type thing that would you would just launch it as a glider at low altitude and then with the radioactive isotope power source.
Millions and millions of watts in a very compact system.
It's kind of like cold fusion.
It's the promise of cold fusion.
And this is available technology.
And so we could launch very we'd start out with a sub-scale system and just launch small satellites into orbit, maybe a couple kilograms, you know, nanotechnology kind of stuff.
And then we'd use the Air Force, local Air Force base, to help us track it, make sure it got into orbit.
First of all, I want to say thank you for bringing this information out.
I am kind of a junior physicist myself, and the Dean Drive, which has been written about by science fiction writers for years and years and years, has always been said to not work.
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And I'm looking at your website, and I'm looking at the diagrams, and I've been listening to you talking, and I am just absolutely convinced that this is the real deal.
I guess my main question to you is, why has this information not come out any sooner, considering that so many, as I said, science fiction writers have been writing about this for so long?
One of the main problems was that early in the days of Dean and his effort to get it commercialized, the Air Force expressed an interest in it, and he submitted a model to the Air Force for evaluation.
And what they did is they tested it horizontally on bulb-bearing wheels and found out that it only vibrated.
It just vibrated.
And basically what I have found out in my own research is that it basically doesn't work very well horizontally.
It's very inefficient.
And you have to operate it vertically with a gravitational load.
Like in an electrical circuit, if you have a battery, if you want to transfer power from a battery to a load, such as a light bulb, that light bulb has to offer a resistive load.
And if the resistance of the light bulb equals the resistance of the battery, you have maximum power transfer.
And the Dean drive is exactly the same.
It needs a load, the gravitational load, to restrict the amplitude of the oscillator and produce thrust.
And the air force couldn't figure that out.
So then if you get the vertical lift, I understand that part, and I can see how that works.
What gives you the horizontal movement?
Vectoring off from the vertical.
In my patent application, I show a gravity payload on the bottom, a gimbal mount, and the vertical unit, gimbal mounted to the heavy load on the bottom.
And as you vector off from the vertical, you develop a component of force horizontally.
And I've actually demonstrated it and videotaped this.
A kangaroo hops.
You put it on ball-bearing wheels.
It will kangaroo hop horizontally on a smooth table and actually will go up a small incline.
But it's hopping.
It's not a linear motion.
Well, I'm also saying testing a single unit device.
Yes, and incidentally, there's other products, future products that we want to pursue.
One is called, another one is called the Individual Mobility Unit.
This is a sit-down version, and the engine is under your chair, like you have a chair, you have a Wanka rotary engine underneath the chair, and then there's a flexible drive, and the unit is above your shoulders.
So the center of lift is above your center of gravity.
And then, of course, the flying car version is a four-passenger vehicle where you have now an aerodynamic body so that if your engine fails, you can do an aerodynamic descent.
This is called the Inertia Craft.
This is out five years out into the distance with $10 million is what I hope to eventually raise to build a flying car that will replace the automobile.
I was wanting to start off, first of all, by just letting you know, Art, I love your show.
This is the greatest show I've ever heard.
I just got to compliment you on it.
Thank you.
I was just wanting to ask you, though, when I ask this, I don't mean any disrespect, but just out of curiosity, what would make you want to try to make a backpack like this?
Is there any certain thing that's happened to you in the past that made you want to try something like this?
And I don't want to get anybody mad at me, but we need to now, over the next 10 years or so, start the path of transforming our technology over to reactionless propulsion.
There's many more they just can't all get through.
One thing about your idea is, have you thought maybe a 360-degree design, a spherical design, rather than just two spinning, you know, side by side or whatever.
You know, I'm thinking if you go back 100 years ago at the turn of the last century, how many pioneers that we had who made radical transformations in the transformation industry?
Think of Henry Ford developing the automobile, the Wright brothers developing the airplane, and later on during the war, the development of the jet engine and Robert Goddard or the liquid-fuel rocket.
All of these happened 100 years.
And now all these technologies, after 100 years, have been perfected and are part of our infrastructure.
Okay, well, but these are aircraft that operate in a blowtorch theory, which he explained, which is roughly kind of a rough analogy, but they're not that rough.
It's close.
What do you think of what you've heard tonight?
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I'm very interested.
I think anything like this is fascinating and would revolutionize space and commercial air.
I'm a little scared about the idea of having thousands and thousands of people flying at low levels.
So in other words, James, he's been to your website, but he's complaining that there aren't enough link references for backup information for what you're saying tonight.
Well, for the last year, I've been struggling to get a whole new website up, and I've had some partial success.
The person who is helping me is a retired engineer from General Electric, a software engineer, and he has diabetes, and unfortunately, he's had trouble getting all the work done for me.
But I do promise to have a website out that's going to have a lot of information on it.
There you go, spectacular website.
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Just say as a side note, I thought it was funny when you were mentioning your credentials.
One of the applications I'm thinking of for the backpack is a remote operated device that could be used to carry loads around without a passenger being on it.
You know, I've been going, one of the exercises I've been doing is going through the Majestic 12 documents that the firmage has funded, the Woods group, who's an engineer at McDonnell Douglas and a longtime UFO investigator.
And I found evidence when they went inside the craft.
They found something called, they called it current.
They found gears as part of the machinery inside these discs.
And I'm strongly fearful that they stole my invention, these extraterrestrials.
So it's entirely possible that these craft that we know as UFOs are propelled or powered by exactly what it is we're talking about right now or some variation of it.
I just want to say from one star down to another, that I am about a, I play a lot of frisbee golf, right?
I play the Frisbee, and I got this force that if you put a magnetic field around on the outside, okay, that would spin on the outside, and if you take a magnetic force and you put it onto the inside, to the opposite direction, would you not get a lift and a propulsion?
I think anytime you break symmetry, asymmetric electric field, which is the Beefflip-Brown effect, and the analog, which would be what you're talking about, the magnetic field, where you break symmetry, you have a reduced magnetic field above versus below, is one of the tactics we employ to get propulsion.
Because of the fact that the power required to drive the rotor increases with the square, excuse me, the square, the Q, the square of the moment of riderti, which is R squared.
And so radius has a increasing radius has a really strong thirst for power.
It's actually a bell-shaped curve, but there's a hump.
It pops out at a certain speed where the depending on what kind of motor you're using, it runs out of torque at a certain speed because the rotor itself demands power as a cube of speed, whereas the motor, like an electric motor, have descending torque curve.
So where they cross is the point where you run out of thrust because the motor doesn't have enough torque.
Hi, I had a couple questions about the actual physics.
Maybe, I'm not sure, I try to look on your website, but I'm trying to figure out if you have any calculations actually done on like maybe a Hamiltonian or...
The problem with it is you do the Lagrangian on the oscillator is typically how they analyze it.
The problem with the Lagrangian is it did not incorporate the Coriolis force.
Lagrange died in 1813.
He was mostly a theoretical mathematician.
And Coriolis published his research in 1835, almost 20 years after the death of Lagrange.
So the physics analysis that's in the textbook actually needs to be corrected for the Coriolis effect and is giving the wrong answer, which is why we don't have the D-Drive.
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Interesting.
The other thing I wanted to ask is, have you heard of the NASA Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Project?
I had one published in Journal of Spacecraft and Rockets, which is the trade journal of the propulsion field back in the early 80s.
And it's a lot of work To get a paper published, and it didn't seem like the reward for all the effort other than something to put on my resume was there.
So I gave up publishing papers.
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There are some actually, I think they actually picked two things that actually got funded for checking.
No, I understand, but I mean if this is investigated and if they proceed with this, they would probably eventually move toward from where they are, it would be a logical step to move toward your understanding of the technology, wouldn't it?
And if that's what you're talking about, I know I didn't mean that, but if you want to answer, certainly something, the flying car, which is the five-year or the end game of after five years and $100 million, it would not be that much more difficult to hermetically seal that flying car.
Yeah, and so I think I have a good shot at getting $10 million at the same time going into space.
And I wouldn't have any problem meeting their requirements.
What they're saying is you have to do is you have to come back, and then two weeks, within two weeks, take three men back up to 100 kilometers or 62 miles.