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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Hal Lindsey - Bible Prophecy. Nancy Sinatra Interview

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	Some Velvet Morning Some Velvet Morning
	Some Velvet Morning Some Velvet Morning
	Some Velvet Morning And how he made it in
	Some velvet morning when I was three Flowers growing on a hill
	Drivin' flies and daffodils Learn from us very much
	Look at us but do not touch Pedro is my name
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	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nye.
	And I opened tonight with this song because, well, because sometimes you fall in love all over again.
	And you really fall hard.
	I began playing this as a piece of bumper music.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Maybe the better part of a year ago now.
	And I just fell in love with it.
	It fit in with the program so well.
	I just fell in love all over again.
	And then everybody in my audience did too.
	I started getting thousands of emails.
	What is that Piedrasong?
	What is that Piedrasong?
	Well, it's Nancy Sinatra and Lee Hazelwood.
	And tonight, Nancy Sinatra is here in first hour.
	Followed, by the way, by Hal Lindsey in the next hour.
	Nancy has achieved a 30-year-plus legacy in rock and roll, and created the platform for contemporary rebel chicks like Linus Morissette, Cheryl Crow, Deborah Harry, and many more.
	Songs like, uh, So Long Babe, How Does That Grab You, Darlin', These Boots Are Made For Walkin', helped Nancy change forever the image of women in rock.
	Indeed, Boots went to number one, Sugar Town, number four, How Does That Grab You, number seven, Perpetuated the theme of independence and free thinking that appealed to young women as well as men, Nancy recorded the title song for the James Bond movie, You Only Live Twice.
	Remember that?
	Which became an anthem for many who still request it whenever she performs today.
	Her legendary number one record with her father, Something Stupid, is always on the best of lists, as are many of her duets with her mentor producer, Lee Hazelwood.
	Jackson, some Velvet Morning, Sand, Summer Wine.
	I play Summer Wine a lot, too.
	In the liner notes of Nancy's Sugar album, Lee Hazelwood tried to explain the dichotomy of the woman-child figure that seemed to capture so many hearts.
	He's called her a girl and a woman who is quiet and noisy, square and hip.
	That's quite a combination.
	The core of her band, some of whom still perform with her.
	That's amazing enough, huh?
	...was the world-famous Wrecking Crew L.A.' 's Finest Rhythm section, who also worked with the Beach Boys, the Righteous Brothers, and Phil Spector.
	Other producers Nancy considers herself very fortunate to have worked with are Don Costa, Bones Howes, Snuff Garrett, Charles Cahill, is it?
	Jimmy Bowen, Tutti Camerata, El Russell Brown, Billy Strange, Dwayne Eddy.
	Ay yi yi.
	She's written two books about her legendary father.
	With the hope of setting the record straight about his life, raised two daughters, is very politically active, supports American veterans who are very dear to her since her U.S.
	tour of Vietnam during the war, which I'll never forget.
	coming up in a moment, Nancy Sinatra.
	You know, I would describe some velvet morning as almost mystical.
	That's the way it hit me anyway, and it hit so much of my audience.
	Nancy Sinatra, welcome to the program.
	Thanks, Art.
	Hi, everybody.
	It's great to have you.
	You're somewhere, no doubt, in California.
	Yes, sir, I am.
	West L.A.
	West Los Angeles.
	It's gorgeous.
	It's beautiful here today.
	You know, that is the way this particular song, Some Velvet Morning, that I just play and play and play.
	A lot of people in the audience, you know, never heard it before.
	A lot of younger people never heard the song before, and they just went, absolutely.
	I got thousands of emails.
	Thousands!
	You know, they all thought of me.
	So did I. Thanks a lot.
	And we just all fell in love.
	I had Lee Hazelwood on.
	I heard that.
	I wish that... I was laughing when I was listening to the song just now about he must be thrilled because I know that he's getting royalties every time you play that song.
	I'm certain he is, yes.
	Great.
	Anyway, he is named I forget whether it was a granddaughter, a niece, or something was named... Granddaughter, yeah.
	Granddaughter, there you are, named Phaedra.
	He said Phaedra was a very unlucky, very unlucky Greek goddess, yes?
	Yes.
	Did he tell you what the song means?
	Please, no, please don't.
	He never told me.
	Oh, he never told you?
	No.
	Oh, my.
	So he just sat and whipped this up.
	I think he was smoking something funny at the time.
	There have been a lot of people who have suggested that any number of songs, including Sugartown for example, are drug references out of the 60s.
	Slightly hidden, but not that hidden.
	We used to joke about that, that Sugartown was his homage to LSD, but I don't know if that's true.
	Put me on a lot.
	You know, the way you two sang at the time, I don't think there would be anybody who would not imagine, you know, these two must be in love.
	Either that or you just did a hell of a job of sounding that way.
	Yeah, it was a very sexy combination.
	Yeah.
	And the old guy and the little girl, you know, it just worked.
	And he wasn't old at the time, and I was not little at the time, but we sounded like that.
	So it worked very well.
	We got lucky.
	He recorded with other women, but he and I were the only ones to come up with the hit versions of those songs that he did.
	By the way, did you know that U2 has just done a remake of Some Velvet Morning?
	I heard that with the Coors.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, the Irish, wonderful Irish musicians.
	Incredible.
	So it's obviously recognized as something incredibly classic.
	In fact, in a lot of ways now, Some Velvet Morning, as I've played it, has received more attention than when it actually was released.
	In fact, all of your music just comes back, so it's like fall in love all over again.
	Thank you.
	You know what part of it is, is that the arrangements were classic.
	They just never go out of style.
	That's right.
	Beautiful, lush arrangements.
	Billy Strange did most of them.
	And some of them in the second collection, Nancy and Lee's second album, were written by a guy named Larry Mahobarach.
	Great name, huh?
	Yeah, great name.
	Larry Mahobarach.
	You're right.
	They never go away.
	In other words, there are a lot of songs from the 50s and 60s, and you play them now, and, oh, that sounds old.
	But your songs, no, they just never sound old.
	Well, I got lucky.
	I hooked up with two brilliant people, Lee and Billy.
	And then, of course, in the booth we had an engineer named Eddie Brackett, who was superb.
	So it was a good team, a very good team, and it happens maybe, if you're lucky, once in your life.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And you know it when it's happening.
	You can feel it.
	It's just like you're on.
	Oh man, it's just happening.
	And you can feel it deep in your bones and you know it's happening and it's right.
	I felt like that with a couple of the things we did for the new album.
	When we were in the studio, the magic was there.
	The new tracks.
	When we did Hotel California and 99 Miles From L.A., I got the same goosebumps.
	You know, where the hair on your neck stands up.
	California Girls, the CD, right?
	The CD, yeah, it's called California Girl based on that Brian Wilson's California Girl song and Brian sings on that with me.
	I felt like I was singing with the Beach Boys.
	He did like six parts and Jeffrey Foskett with whom he tours a lot now does that real high voice.
	Jeffrey sang three times.
	It was just a huge vocal group.
	It's wonderful.
	I just love it.
	So California Girl is just released, right?
	It's coming out tomorrow.
	Tomorrow?
	Yeah.
	Tomorrow.
	How are things in California?
	San Fernando Valley, 99 miles from L.A., California girls, hello.
	L.A., bye-bye Birmingham, California dreamin'.
	Oh, California dreamin'.
	Yeah, that's a good one.
	That's also a Billy Strange arrangement.
	Super pretty arrangement.
	Route 66, San Francisco, do you know the way to San Jose or Rayford Hollywood, Saturday in the Park, California man, Hotel California, oh my gosh.
	Um, Nancy, You are.
	When one looks at you, and I'm looking at one of your publicity pictures, you are a California girl, aren't you?
	Yeah.
	Born in New Jersey, but California since I was four.
	There's still a lot of New York in me, though, because I go there several times a year.
	I know, but to look at you, it's like California written all over you.
	The surfer girl, yeah.
	The sun and the blonde streaked hair.
	Yeah, it's pretty typical, I guess.
	We never grow up out here.
	Well, that's a good thing.
	You did a big USO tour in Vietnam, huh?
	Yeah, but you were there doing all the fighting, huh?
	Yeah, I was there.
	Where were you?
	I was TDY to Da Nang.
	I was a medic in the Air Force, by the way.
	And TDY to Da Nang and some other rather exotic locations from Clark Air Force Base in the Philippines when everything went to hell and they started bringing casualties direct to Clark which turned out to be a politically difficult thing because you know people weren't getting treatment flying all the way to the U.S.
	so they diverted them quickly to Clark and I TDY'd first Clark and then on down and on down so You know, it's a beautiful country though, Vietnam.
	Do you remember anything pretty about it at all?
	Oh my God, yes, of course.
	I remember, it's astounding.
	In fact, two or three years ago when I went back to the Orient, Nancy, I came within hair's breadth.
	I asked my wife and I debated with myself.
	I flew right over Uh, the Mekong, and looked down on my way to Bangkok, and I said, oh my God, maybe I've got to go.
	And I debated with myself, and I didn't.
	So one of these years, I'm going back.
	Well, let me know when you go.
	Maybe we'll put a group of us together.
	So, you know, while others were over there doing other things, you were over there serving your country.
	How was that?
	How was the whole tour for you?
	It was very emotional, you know.
	I was very young, and I was scared, and they had me flying in every possible type of aircraft.
	Yeah, of course.
	The guys would give up their seats on a helicopter and let us move forward to the next show, you know.
	We were just a little group.
	We were six of us, plus one, my escort officer, Frank Lavolzi.
	He was a captain in the 11th Cavalry, you know, the tankers.
	Sure.
	You can't know how important that is.
	The 11th Cavalry, you mean?
	No.
	I mean what you did.
	I mean what it does for morale.
	I mean you just can't believe what it does for morale.
	Yeah, I believe it and it was important to me to help out.
	My whole generation was involved in one way or another.
	You know, either running off to Canada to hide or being drafted or joining up.
	One of the above.
	Yeah, that's right.
	There was no middle ground then, was there?
	It was a very different time, wasn't it?
	It was horrendous.
	Just awful.
	And that scoreboard on TV every night.
	Yeah.
	How many we lost and how many they lost.
	It was just horrible.
	Well, anyway, you were a mighty bright spot in the middle of all of that.
	And then all these years, and then boom, here's another CD.
	I mean, here we are the night before the CD is going to get released.
	Well, it's called survival art.
	Listen, you're doing it too, you know.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	I am.
	But it's also love, isn't it?
	I mean, it's not just... Nah, it's not just survival.
	That's part of it, I guess.
	But it's in your blood, Nancy.
	This whole show business thing, it can't be that different with what you do.
	It's in your blood.
	I love music.
	No doubt about it.
	My first love, of course, is my children.
	But that's the priority one.
	But after children and family, it's definitely music.
	Well, it's something that gets in your blood.
	And then if you don't do it for a long time, it begins nagging at you and biting at you.
	And you say to yourself, I know I can still do that.
	Well, actually, in my case, it was My friend, who actually I didn't know him at the time, he sent me a fax.
	He was at Rhino Records and he said, I think you should get back to work because there are a lot of us who really enjoy what you do.
	And how long did you sit around and think about that before you called?
	I sat around a little bit about it because it was a little bit crazy.
	He said he'd have everybody there at Rhino wearing white go-go boots.
	You know, he scared me so I didn't know.
	What to think?
	But he's a good friend of mine now.
	This is eight years later.
	His name is Hal Lifson, and Hal actually helped bring this California album about.
	Plus, he got all of my old albums released on CD, which had never happened before.
	But I have enough material, or you wouldn't believe it, I have enough songs for another Eight or ten CDs.
	The people don't even know about these songs.
	Oh my.
	Recorded at what?
	Starting in the 60s, but through the 70s.
	So you never stopped?
	Well, the last album I did before raising my kids was an album with Mel Tillis.
	I thought it was a real good album, but they never put that out again.
	It was on Elektra Records.
	And if I owned it, I would certainly make sure it was released again, because I just loved Mamel. He's great, and
	the songs are gorgeous.
	You know, it's a little more country than what I usually do, but it's a really good album.
	Then I, my husband died in 1985, so I didn't want my kids to feel, they were only nine and eleven, I didn't want them
	to feel like they had no parents at all.
	So I just stopped.
	And then when I got the fax from Hal, it was 1994 or into early 95, and then coincidentally ran into a guy named Ray
	Ruff, a record producer, who said, I want to record you for my new Cougar record.
	We did an album called One More Time, which again was more country based than a lot of the stuff I was doing.
	That's okay.
	I can see you could do that easily.
	Country is great.
	It's very cool stuff.
	You get to express yourself a lot better.
	And you get to sing more.
	Rock you don't sing as much.
	You kind of talk-sing a little.
	How many, with most of these records, how many takes does it usually take to get it done?
	Does it ever just pop out the first time and everybody says, okay, let's go?
	That happened on this album, on California Man, and Cuando Caliento Soul, both of them.
	We did them live.
	I was in the booth with the engineer, and the band was in the studio.
	That's not a good way to record a vocal because you pick up all of the sounds in the booth of the work that's going on there.
	But the vocals were good and we didn't want to mess them up, so we just left them the way they were.
	They sound a little bit different from the rest of the vocals.
	In other words, don't fix something that's not broken.
	That's right, kind of, yeah.
	There seemed to be, maybe it was love, maybe, I don't know what it was, but there's a spiritual component to an awful lot of what you're saying, too, isn't there?
	Yeah, well, it's a spiritual and enlightening and humbling experience to be in that kind of creative setting.
	A recording studio is much more instantaneous.
	It's not like making a movie.
	Where you don't see the real film.
	You could see it on the videotape, but you don't see the real film for a while until the lab is through with it.
	With a record, you play it back immediately.
	That's right.
	You know, it's just right there.
	And it's a very sexy place to be.
	A recording studio is probably one of the greatest places to be ever.
	So that puts you in a good mood right away, just being there.
	Right away.
	Right away.
	Absolutely.
	Hold on, we're here at the bottom of the hour.
	Just incredible stuff.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Nancy Sinatra is here.
	I've been where the eagle flies, rode his wings across autumn skies, kissed the sun, touched the moon, but he left
	me much too soon, his ladybird, he left his ladybird.
	Ladybird, come on down.
	I'm here waiting on the ground.
	Lady Bird, I'll treat you good.
	Ah, Lady Bird, I wish you would.
	You Lady Bird.
	Pretty lady bird Lightning flashed through the sky
	The night you taught me how to fly The sun came up and then I found too soon
	You keep saying you've got something for me you
	Something you call love, but confess.
	You've been a messer, well you shouldn't have been a messer.
	And now someone else is getting all your best.
	These boots are made for walking and that's just what they'll do.
	One of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you.
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	on the premier radio networks forces was a number one record
	chris smash number one record and one of you can remember where it was last used and what
	else out that agency use this record.
	Do you remember?
	This is a test.
	We'll have the answer in a moment.
	Nancy Sinatra's new CD is California Girl.
	One of the songs is California Dream, and that song I was working for IT&T in Nutley, New Jersey, one day waiting for a bus, and it was snowing.
	You know, it was cold as hell in New Jersey, and snowing, and I heard California Dreamin', and I, you know, real young at the time, I said, the hell with this, and I quit, and I went to California.
	That song actually took me to California.
	Nancy, welcome back.
	Thank you.
	The Boots song, Nancy.
	These boots are made for walking.
	When the whole Waco siege was going on and the FBI was playing that to the Koresh compound, that one must have really caught you by surprise.
	Well, people asked me about it at the time and all I could say was I wish it had worked.
	That's a good point, yeah.
	You know, I think they were using irritating music over and over again to try to get them to leave.
	I'm not sure.
	Oh, that's not irritating music.
	Irritating music they played for the last South American dictator who blew him out with Ravenstein and all that kind of stuff.
	Yours was not irritating.
	That was like a foreshadow of things to come as you listen to the rest of that record, you know?
	It's kind of meaningful to what finally occurred in that situation, isn't it?
	You mean lyrically?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I guess.
	You know there were two bass players on that session?
	Really?
	Carol Kay did the electric What's it like being the child of Nancy Sinatra?
	How is it for them?
	popping sound and then Chuck Berghofer did the upright bass which does that beautiful
	quarter tone line down.
	That's incredible.
	Yeah, very cool.
	I guess I've got to ask you, you know what, first I'll ask you for your children, Nancy,
	what's it like being the child of Nancy Sinatra?
	How is it for them?
	It's tough, isn't it?
	Well, I think they wish I wouldn't do certain things.
	I think they're very patient and adorable with me about it.
	My daughter, AJ, who lives in Hoboken, by the way, she's singing the National Anthem on Wednesday at Yankee Stadium for Frank Sinatra Day.
	Wow!
	And my sister's leaving tomorrow for New York.
	She's going to throw out the first ball.
	It's a big Family celebration there.
	I have to be here because I'm getting ready to do my shows down in the desert.
	We have a lot of stuff coming up.
	Anyway, so AJ's flying in.
	My daughter Amanda lives here with her husband and we are going down to Palm Springs because they're giving me a star on the Walk of Stars down there on May 9th.
	Yay!
	Yay, yeah.
	Well, you were immortal a long time before that, you know, that appears.
	That's sweet.
	It's going to be a fun two days because Tom Jones is working that night, May 9th, at the spa in Palm Springs.
	And then the next night we do our show at the same venue.
	So it's a nice hotel casino.
	So it'll be fun.
	I'm looking forward to that.
	I live out here in the desert.
	Not very far away.
	We're kind of like Palm Springs here.
	It's a beautiful place.
	So how was it being the daughter of Frank Sinatra?
	What I wanted to ask is can you see the parallels now in your children with your experience being the daughter of Frank?
	I think I do in some ways.
	Being a famous man's daughter is different from being a famous woman's daughter.
	Really?
	My kids have it.
	Have the double whammy of the famous grandfather.
	That's true.
	And then the celebrity mom.
	And celebrity uncle.
	You know, they're surrounded.
	But only one of them got the music bug and that's my AJ.
	She's a singer.
	How do you feel about that?
	Well, I think it's great, and I'll tell you why.
	She went and got a college education.
	She's a screenwriting student from the USC Film School, and she's a college grad, and she's got that career if she wants it.
	Well, did there come a moment when you sat her down and said, okay, if you're going this way, then here's what you're in for?
	No, I think she pretty much saw that along the road with her mom, you know.
	I think she's seen all that for herself.
	I don't really give a lot of advice.
	My kids are pretty much their own people, unless they ask me.
	I don't really discuss it.
	I remember trying to involve myself in my dad's work and occasionally recommending something that he would agree to do, which always thrilled me.
	When they suggest something to me, I see the same.
	Joy in their eyes when I say, well, great idea.
	I think I'll try that.
	It's like any other business.
	I call it our family farm.
	We farm it just like anybody else does with the products.
	So how was it being Frank Sinatra's daughter?
	Was that rough?
	No, not at all.
	You wrote two books about your dad.
	Frank Sinatra, an American legend.
	I got sick of reading all the garbage.
	Frank Sinatra, my father.
	Well, there was a lot of garbage.
	I mean, to this day, I think most American people think that your dad had lots of old mob connections, mobbed up, that kind of thing.
	Well, a lot of American people are naive.
	I think that if they would think about it for five minutes, they'd realize that the people who ran the nightclubs in New York We're just carryovers from the bootleggers.
	Those people who ran those clubs hired people like my father and Danny Thomas and Alan King and Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis.
	All of the entertainers worked for those guys.
	When those guys moved west, out to Las Vegas, the entertainers moved with them.
	They were friendly because they worked for these people.
	So the appearance of connection was completely unavoidable?
	Well, I guess because my dad's name ended in a vowel, he was more associated with it than the other guys.
	But, you know, Red Skelton was one.
	I mean, it's all in the book.
	I've complained a lot about the fact that my dad kept getting singled out, but J. Edgar Hoover hated my father because my father wielded a lot of power with Democratic voters, and he was a Roosevelt supporter.
	Oh, I know.
	So the Republicans, and especially the Hearst syndicate, went after my dad and tried to discredit him in any way they could.
	So there was a big FBI file on my dad from 1939 forward.
	Do you remember surveillance?
	No, but I did hear about it.
	I don't personally remember.
	I own a radio station out here.
	My wife and I own an FM radio station, and your dad's music and your music is all over it.
	Your dad will live forever, just like you will.
	Thank you, but I don't think it's that simple.
	It's very sweet of you to say that, but it's tough.
	We keep trying to come up with the right packaging to entice a new generation of people to become Frank Sinatra listeners.
	And it's not that easy.
	You know, it's pretty hard.
	Because the public, the young people, the young public, they're very discerning and they want what they want.
	And people like Robbie Williams, who has now re-recorded something stupid with Nicole Kidman, he helped.
	The fact that we worked with him and let him use, it was a very good year, that helps us.
	What an incredible record.
	To me, that's right up there with a wonderful life, or a wonderful world.
	It's a wonderful world.
	Very good year.
	Oh yeah.
	Absolutely.
	Oh my God, what a record.
	Absolutely.
	I can't remember who wrote that song right now.
	Really?
	I hate not knowing that.
	It was just, it's another sort of, it takes you off into a different place kind of song, like some of that which you did.
	It just sort of takes you, that's what music does, it takes you off to a different place.
	Do you have comments on today's music?
	I mean, all the music you produced, Gosh, you know, you can sing.
	You can tap your foot.
	It's real music.
	It has a melody.
	You can actually understand the words, even at times, perhaps not what they mean.
	You can understand every word, song.
	Now, today, and I'm sure it's my age, and I'll be 57 in June, I really have a difficult time with about 90% of today's music.
	How about you?
	I can identify with a lot of it.
	I do enjoy some of the acts Today, like Backstreet Boys and NSYNC, I think wonderful, wonderful musicians.
	And I appreciate the almost like the MGM studio system that cranks these groups out.
	You know, I think it's great that they have all this preparation.
	I just wish in my heart of hearts that the music I'm with you all the way.
	Do you think that the pendulum will swing?
	Is it not inevitable, or is that just wishful thinking on the part of those who remember well?
	I want to come back the other way.
	I don't know, Art, because I don't think we have the sophistication in the writing that we did in the 30s and 40s.
	The Great American Songbook is just unapproachable.
	I don't think we can match it anymore.
	I mean, are we going to have a Great American Songbook from this century?
	I don't know.
	I don't know either.
	You know, we do have Carole King, and we have Billy Joel.
	We have some Neil Diamond.
	We have some writers who come close to creating another Great American Songbook, but... They're getting older.
	Well, it isn't so much that.
	It's that the young people are not singing their songs.
	You know, the Britney Spears of the world, they need to pick up on some of these really good writers and maybe carry their music forward.
	I don't know.
	I shouldn't lecture, because I haven't had a hit record in a hundred years.
	Yeah, but that just is maybe a reflection of the change, which I don't particularly appreciate.
	I know a lot of other people don't, too.
	I just wonder if it can come back.
	I hope it can come back.
	But maybe you're right.
	Maybe it's gone too far and people have forgotten too much.
	I don't know.
	I just don't know.
	As long as we have people like Robbie Williams, who's very young, I believe he's 27, reaching back and bringing these songs forward will be okay.
	Because Robbie is, I think, the biggest star in England.
	There were a lot of years in rock when women just weren't making it.
	I mean, they just How did that change?
	It changed radically just before women's lib with people like Lee Hazelwood writing great lyrics.
	That was before Helen Reddy's I Am Woman.
	That was a pretty heavy duty glass ceiling though, wasn't it?
	Yeah, but Phil Spector was producing records with a lot of African American women that were absolutely fabulous and like He's a Rebel was a great record and that stuff, you know, that preceded what I did and that was very influential for me.
	I loved the R&B stuff and I loved people like Ruth Brown and I can't remember now, it's a senior moment, but there were many that I just loved and idolized.
	But I sounded like that and I had that little high funny voice until Lee came along and said, you know, let's drop this down a bit and let's get a little funky here.
	Yeah, well he sure did that, didn't he?
	Yeah, well he knew what to do.
	He was right.
	He's quite some guy, isn't he?
	He's kind of a crusty old, interesting guy to talk to.
	Yeah, isn't he?
	Yeah, that's how he struck me.
	Kind of a crusty old, tell it like it is, here's how it happened kind of guy.
	Well, don't think he doesn't embellish.
	Believe me, he does.
	Do you remain in contact with him?
	We lose each other for a year or two at a time, but we always find each other again.
	I think we spoke a few weeks ago.
	We were on the phone for over an hour just getting caught up.
	Wow.
	How does it feel to be on the eve of the release of California Girl?
	I'm so excited.
	This is the best work I've done in a long time, and I can't wait for you to latch on to something you like in that album.
	Oh, I will.
	I think if you like California Dreamin', What you need to do is cue it up after the long intro, because it's pretty long.
	Right.
	California Dream, and I said that at the bottom of the hour, that song actually caused me to walk out of a phone booth in the middle of a snowstorm and say, the hell with New Jersey, and I packed up and quit my job and went to California.
	Wow, that's great.
	That's great.
	I wish I'd known we could have put it in the liner notes.
	Oh, no kidding.
	Yeah, I was, you know, you're young and you're kind of crazy and you look around yourself and I was in actually Newark waiting for a bus to take me to IT&T in Nutley, New Jersey where I was working and I looked at the snow and I listened to California Dreamin', looked at the snow and I listened to California Dreamin', I got out of the phone booth, went home, packed up and left.
	I'm outta here!
	You know, it was that kind of era, really.
	Yeah, the mamas and the papas, they did a uh... different our version is much different
	from there well yes different but it's still california dream in the
	but it's much more romantic and and introspective yes
	which is romantic in introspective that's
	that's how you hit it in the first place is that I mean, that really is what these are all about.
	Romantic and introspective.
	The stuff you love so much, the Nancy and Lee stuff, we're going to put that out again.
	It's not available anymore unless you get lucky and find one straggly CD.
	That's right.
	But we're going to put that out again, hopefully next year.
	It will be all of the recorded material.
	It will be two albums in one CD, or two CDs rather, in one box.
	I can tell you it's going to be a hit, Nancy.
	I mean, anytime I start playing a song and I get thousands, thousands of emails about it.
	Oh my God, what is that?
	You know, people hearing it for the first time and totally falling in love.
	So anytime you get that kind of response, I can guarantee A re-release is going to be a big hit.
	Well, maybe they'll feel that way about 99 miles.
	Yeah?
	I'm going to keep a positive attitude.
	So, for the release, are you doing anything special?
	Yeah, we've got that star happening in Palm Springs and then the show at the spa the next night on May 10th.
	And then we have Amoeba Records here on May 16th.
	That's going to be a mini-concert and a signing where I'll sign pictures and CDs and stuff.
	And then the Knitting Factory is also here in Hollywood on May 16th.
	That's going to be fun.
	That's with the Ventures.
	The Ventures?
	Yeah.
	Aye, aye, aye.
	When you do a show, do you mix the old and the new?
	Yeah.
	I have to do the old because they would throw rocks at me if I didn't.
	The new stuff you know I have to do because otherwise I'd just be bored to tears.
	Of course.
	In New York we're doing four shows at the bottom line on May 31st and June 1st and I have something funny to tell you about that.
	I just got an invitation in the mail today from Liza.
	Her big show in New York is guess what date?
	May 31st.
	Is it really?
	So I wrote on the... I put a post-it on it for my assistant Bill.
	There goes the audience at the bottom line.
	They're all going to be at Liza's show.
	So you're going to do it?
	You're going to do Liza?
	No.
	No, you're not going to do Liza?
	No, I have to do my show on two shows on the 31st.
	Aye, aye, aye.
	As we all get older, doing shows is a little tougher than it used to be, or is it once you're up there and magic starts, it becomes easy?
	Yeah, the hard part is it takes longer to get ready now.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Makeup and the hair and what to wear, because at my age, still doing rock and roll, who the hell knows what to wear?
	I don't know what to wear.
	People expect boots and miniskirts, but come on, I don't do that anymore.
	I mean, I do for an occasional show, but I just feel so stupid, foolish.
	Well, it doesn't look that way, though.
	Well, thank you.
	It does.
	It looks that way, but, you know, you do the best you can with what you've got, you know.
	All right, look, I will start playing from California Girl.
	I wish you all the luck.
	We're out of time in this hour.
	They go very, very, very quickly.
	It's going to be a hit.
	Don't worry, Nancy.
	Well, Art, I appreciate all you've done for Lee and me.
	I really do.
	It's very important to us.
	To have someone as supportive as you are out there, and we really appreciate it.
	Easy to do.
	I love your music.
	Nancy, thank you.
	Take care.
	Good night.
	That's Nancy Sinatra.
	And this is Nancy Sinatra.
	I got some troubles, but they won't last.
	I'm gonna lay right down here in the grass.
	And pretty soon all my troubles will pass, cause I'm a shoo, shoo, shoo.
	Shoo shoo shoo, shoo shoo shoo, shoo shoo shoo, shoo shoo down.
	I never had a job.
	Oh no, oh no.
	I remember on the rainbow, how could I ever forget it's the first time, the last time we ever met.
	But I know the reason why you gave me such love, so beautiful to see.
	But I just choke with the pain you supposed So forget you and me
	I'm getting caught in the air tonight Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye from west of the Rockies
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	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nile.
	It is indeed coming up in a moment is an incredible man, Hal Lindsey.
	Hal Lindsey.
	He's got an endless number of books out.
	Facing the Millennial Midnight, Apocalypse Code, Amazing Grace, Planeter of the Final Chapter, Blood Moon, Planeter of 2000 AD, Will Mankind Survive the Final Battle?
	There's a new world coming, an in-depth analysis of the Book of Revelation, the guilt trip, the Messiah, it just goes on and on.
	He says that, here's a quick synopsis of the end of history.
	Changes in weather, more and more storms of violent nature, Plagues, mysterious and untreatable diseases, increase in earthquakes and volcanic activity, famines, warfare and rumors of war, and perhaps what happened right here in our little town of Pahrump, Nevada today.
	It's a lead story in Las Vegas.
	In a moment, I'll take you through it.
	It unfortunately may fit right in.
	Okay, as I bring Hal Lindsey on, I want to I really want to read you.
	No, I'm not going to read you anything.
	I'm going to give you a brief synopsis of what happened to us today here in Pahrump, Nevada, my little hometown of Pahrump, Nevada, where not much is supposed to happen.
	But early this morning, as you know, my wife and I own KNYE FM 95.1 Plug Plug Plug, and we are the voice here in Pahrump, the radio voice in Pahrump, the radio voice.
	A very early morning, we got a call from the school superintendent's office saying they were evacuating the high school, and could we please make an announcement very quickly?
	Well, we just screamed out of here and went down to the station and began covering this odyssey, which goes roughly as follows.
	A 15-year-old juvenile, here in Pahrump, On one of the buses that came by, got on the bus, forced the bus driver and two children off the bus with a machete, a gigantic machete, and then promptly took the bus toward Armagosa at about speeds of about 70 miles an hour.
	I mean, here's a school bus Screaming along at 70 miles an hour with Sheriff's deputies and all, giving chase.
	And as he got to Armagosa, that's across the California border, about one mile from Armagosa, Inyo County Sheriff's deputies put out spike strips, and he saw them, and I guess veered off into the desert, rolled the school bus, rolled that school bus, and then And then, of course, was immediately swarmed on and arrested.
	However, that was only, unfortunately, the beginning of the story.
	No reason there to evacuate a high school, eh?
	Except that, you see, when they arrested him, they found papers in his backpack that indicated he had plans to blow up the Pahrump High School.
	To blow it up.
	He had detailed plans in there, the high school.
	There was a discussion of a gas bomb.
	And, you know, so obviously with recent American history in mind, the school was appropriately and promptly evacuated.
	And we went to the radio station and covered this in great detail for the community.
	I mean, we had the sheriff's office personnel on the telephone interviewing them live on the air.
	We had people from the school district live interviewing them on the air at KNYE.
	Fortunately, of course, it's turned out, I guess, okay, and they didn't find a bomb.
	It may well be he did not yet have an opportunity to carry his plans through, but obviously nobody's going to take any chance like that.
	It now turns out we hear there's another individual involved who has been arrested as well, apparently another juvenile, so there may be conspiracy involved here as well.
	I mean, it's just an incredible Incredible story.
	He was going to blow up the entire high school.
	So that's what happened today, and we spent our morning covering all of this live for the town.
	It's what I call a head shaker.
	You just can't possibly understand why, and of course he is described as a quiet youngster, a good and quiet youngster otherwise, why this kind of thing begins to happen.
	It's just a head shaker, one of many.
	things that you cannot, you just can't figure out why they're happening. Well, maybe there
	is a reason. Maybe there's a reason why they're happening and maybe Hal Lindsey might know
	what it is. Hal, welcome to the program.
	Boy, that's a curve ball. Listen, that is really, you know it's happening in many places.
	in many places.
	I know.
	It's awesome when it happens right in your hometown.
	Yeah, little hometown.
	Yeah.
	You know, it's the kind of place you move to get away from the city and that sort of thing, which is why I brought up to an officer, a sheriff's department here, Wade Leiske, our sheriff.
	Boy, what a job they did in getting all this done right, but thank God.
	But, you know, it could have gone the other way.
	I mean, why?
	That any child would want to blow up his entire high school, kill all of his classmates and teachers.
	What's going wrong with our children?
	Boy, well, something comes to mind right away.
	I always see things in the light of how the ancient prophets predicted things would come together in a scenario just before the end of time as we know it.
	There is a prophecy in 2 Timothy.
	Chapter 3 that talks about this very thing.
	That's why I read.
	It starts out with weather, and I could spend the rest of the whole show on that.
	I won't.
	I will say, though, that today in Maryland, of all places, they had an F5 tornado.
	Now, there has never been in all of history... That is incredible.
	In all of history, Hal, there's never been an F5 tornado, 260 mile per hour winds, recorded in the state of Maryland.
	Ever.
	That's just today's story.
	We get stories every season.
	I mean, the poles are melting, north and south.
	The Navy's anticipating a new sea at the North Pole and trying to figure out how they're going to cover it.
	We've got major ice break-offs from Larsen D when it went into the water down in the Antarctic.
	Changes are occurring rapidly now, rapidly, all over the world, weather-wise.
	Well, this is something that is amazing, Art, because You know, some of these things have happened before in history, but the unique thing to our time is that they're all happening in concert with each other at the same time.
	That's what's unusual because, you know, a lot of people say when you go through the predicted signs of the Bible, what's going to come together at the last time, they say, well, you know, those things have happened before.
	And in isolation, these things have happened before.
	But what Jesus said was, when you see all these things happening, recognize, I'm at the door.
	Well then, he's at the door.
	Plagues, mysterious, untreatable diseases.
	I get to read about a new one almost every night.
	Let me read something about this breakdown in children in the last days.
	This is from 2 Timothy chapter 3.
	It says, but realize this, that in the last days Perilous times will come, for men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, without natural affection, unreconcilable, malicious, gossipers, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, and so on.
	One of the things thrown in the midst of all of this that seems to almost not fit is it says disobedient to parents.
	And you see here basically a breakdown of society.
	Wasn't there something about honoring your parents?
	That's right.
	In other words, starting back, at least in our part of the world, starting back with Dr. Spock, there began to be a breakdown in authority in the home.
	And a lot of liberalized education and so forth set in.
	What happened was a general breakdown in what had been the traditional family order of things.
	Once that broke down, given a few generations, it just began to increase geometrically and break down.
	So now we have parents that are afraid of their children.
	I mean rightly so.
	We do, it's true.
	When there is a breakdown in discipline in the home and a breakdown of love and care given to children, it results in anxiety and anger.
	I think it is something like 65% of parents today, both parents work.
	So there is not even anything resembling the traditional family relationship anymore.
	You can't just...
	Children can't be left to themselves.
	They have to be guided.
	They have to be disciplined.
	But you can't discipline them out of just being angry and trying to relieve yourself of being troubled.
	You have to discipline them with love and with consistency.
	But you know, Hal, there must be some other difference, because even in quotes here, the good old days, lots of people came from broken and dysfunctional families and proceeded to be okay.
	Anyway, these days, many fewer number coming from broken and dysfunctional families, and frankly, some coming from very good families.
	Sure.
	It's almost as though I know what you're driving at.
	There is an evil spirit about in the land.
	The society in general is breaking down and so even if a child comes from a relatively good home, he can be greatly influenced by the general society.
	So anyway, that's a side note to what I usually do.
	Think about, but definitely you can see it taking place.
	All right, well, I keep up on this kind of news intentionally.
	Here's a story that just got to my desk tonight.
	The headline is, Mysterious Virus Causes Alarm in Greece.
	Greece's health ministry on Tuesday ordered all schools and universities closed.
	Yes, that's right.
	That's all of them.
	To the end of the week, after more than 13 people appeared to be suffering from an unidentified virus that claimed three lives, Long lines of people who fear they might be infected at hospitals and clinics, and they're really going berserk over there.
	This is just tonight's story.
	Yeah, I read about that.
	It's a new kind of virus that affects the heart.
	Apparently it infects the heart around the cardiac sac, and it could be really lethal, and they still don't know what's causing it.
	It's really something.
	Well, as I sort of kick through your list here, weather, plagues, mysterious and untreatable diseases, we've even got new insects that are beginning to appear, predator-type insects, gee, earthquakes, gosh, earthquakes, we're having lots of those, volcanic activity, a lot of rumbling going on right now, famines, warfare and rumors of war, and then there's what happened in New York and the war in Afghanistan, and I don't know that we're missing anything on the list here, are we?
	Not much.
	What does the end of history mean, Al?
	Well, it's the end of history as we know it.
	You know, the real, what I call the most important signs that the Bible predicts will come together in concert with each other just before all of this comes to a climax.
	It all starts with Israel.
	It starts with That is the key.
	No prophetic sign was really relevant until the dispersed people of Israel, who had been scattered for almost 2,000 years, would come back together.
	That really started the whole prophetic countdown.
	So in 1948, after they had been gathering there, here's a people that had their nation destroyed.
	They were driven into exile, literally, and every nation there to heaven.
	As Moses predicted they would be.
	And here they're driven all over the world.
	And they remain virtually a nation in exile.
	They remained a distinct people for almost 2,000 years.
	And then they suddenly, against all odds, begin to return to the land from which they had been driven.
	And then again, under impossible odds, they become a nation again.
	This has caused the whole world a great deal of problems.
	It's never happened before.
	It's unique.
	No people have ever been driven from their country, driven from their land, scattered in that kind of dispersion.
	And they weren't hospitably treated wherever they went.
	They were persecuted everywhere.
	And to survive as a distinct people, and then to go back and put a reclaim on their land and become a state again, this is just something unique in history.
	We're so close to a war there now.
	Exactly, and this is exactly what is predicted.
	For instance, in the prophecies of Ezekiel, 2650 years ago, he predicted this.
	In chapters 36 through 39, he takes us right through a systematic, chronological order of what would happen.
	He talks about them returning to a land that would be completely destroyed that would be like uh...
	the surface of the movement would be so destroyed and that when these people would begin to return to the
	land would begin to respond to them
	and then he talks about the fact that all the people of the surrounding
	nations who had to serve that land would begin to fight against
	them and that they would uh...
	crystal the surrounding nations are mostly now in your view
	uh... we even with the best of intentions of our president and uh...
	uh... of uh... people all over the world and i mean the the even the uh...
	uh... even some nations that have not made peace overtures are
	are making them now uh... it what will all of that ultimately
	predictably inevitably fail Yes, it will.
	There will be a time.
	There's a time coming when A great leader will rise in Rome and he will become the leader of the European nations over there.
	He will go in and he will make a kind of a peace between these two ancient peoples.
	You know the really amazing thing is that the two peoples that are warring there are from the same forefather, Abraham.
	They've been at odds with each other for 4,000 years.
	The fact that they're warring with each other, it's all something that's both in history and in prophecy.
	But according to these predictions, they will continue to be in a conflict until they draw the whole world into it.
	And this leader from Rome will appear to make a permanent solution to it.
	This will break down and war will break out, which will draw the whole world into it.
	Who will this individual be?
	Well, he's a man that we don't... I believe he's alive somewhere in the world right now.
	I don't know who he is.
	The Antichrist?
	The Bible calls him the Antichrist.
	Yes.
	Many now believe he is alive in the world and the time is ticking away.
	Time, time, time.
	Hold on for a second.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
	I'm Art Bell.
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	She's come of age Time and time and time
	She was to come of age But I looked around
	All my possibilities I was so hard to please
	She's come of age She's come of age
	Mmmmm One, Two, Three
	Absolutely nothing!
	What is it good for?
	Absolutely nothing!
	Say it again y'all!
	What is it good for?
	Absolutely nothing!
	Say it again, y'all What?
	Who?
	Get out!
	What is it good for?
	Absolutely nothing to me Oh, what?
	I despise Cussing me is the dumbest of innocent lives
	What made you think that I was a mother's liar When that son drove the bike and lost their lives?
	I said, what?
	Who?
	Good God, y'all What is it good for?
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	Hal Lindsey is a man you ought to listen to.
	The New York Times named Hal Lindsey the best-selling author of the decade of the 1970s.
	That's serious.
	Of the decade.
	He's one of the few authors to have three books in the Times' top It was one of the top-grossing movies of 1977.
	He's appeared on the Today Show, Larry King, Merv Griffin, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, all of them.
	He has a weekly international news show called the International Intelligence Briefing on the TVN World Network.
	Hal Lindsey is my guest.
	I'm talking about disease.
	Here's one that strikes pretty close to home, too.
	This comes from the University of Phoenix online.
	I've got to read about it.
	Read about my hometown.
	Down in Arizona, I guess, huh?
	More than two months after two rural Nevada residents were diagnosed with active contagious tuberculosis, dozens of people, with whom they came in contact, continue to receive antibiotic treatments in hopes of preventing further active cases.
	And the residents of the Nye County town in which the cases occurred are still Seething because they were never notified of any sort of health problem in their midst.
	The two contagious people were isolated immediately after the disease was discovered in February in Armagosa Valley, that's a neighboring town, a community of about 1,200 people 75 miles north of Las Vegas.
	officials from the nevada division of health and the centers for disease
	control descended on the town to investigate the outbreak but
	never shared their findings with any local residents who only learned of this in the uh...
	sort of it by the grapevine the silence is deafening according to nancy fisher
	worried whether she might be at risk of
	where we being exposed to in march uh... she wrote the nevada
	division of health in karst city
	seeking some sort of answer she has yet to get any kind of reply
	we're not very very strange times in a with how lindsey you know i wonder as we
	discuss the inevitability of what's going on the biblical inevitability of
	what's going on in the least right now i i i i i've always worried myself
	about this There's this concept of free will, and it seems in some way to clash with biblical inevitability.
	In other words, we make some choices, maybe small ones, but no matter what choices we make, this is going to happen.
	I think I've wrestled with that plenty of times.
	When you deal with God as the source of prophecy, He's a person that is not only with foreknowledge but also everlasting existence.
	There never was a time when He didn't know all things that were going to happen.
	Here's where I have to reconcile it.
	I don't believe the fact that God foreknows certain things.
	Can't millions of people with free will make some other choice that doesn't allow history to unwind the way it's going to anyway?
	simply knew the way he would use that will and predicted it.
	But can't millions of people with free will make some other choice that doesn't allow
	history to unwind the way it's going to anyway?
	I really struggle with that.
	But there is a certain, you know the Bible says there is a fallen nature in man and that
	man has freedom of choice.
	He usually drifts toward the wrong way with the choices.
	The marvel of God working with man is that he is able to redeem man and to put a new spirit in him and to give him the ability to make choices along the way that will be good for them and will be along with his will.
	But the majority of the world will never come to know God.
	They freely choose not to.
	If this is so, if all of these signs which seem so strong right now, and they are all occurring at once,
	maybe you know, maybe you can tell me and everybody else, if it is the end, if it's the end of history as we know it,
	what's going to happen? How will this come down?
	Well, the way it will really unfold, the event that will trigger this last great war will be a dispute over
	Jerusalem.
	And it's.
	It was predicted by the prophet Zechariah, chapter 12, verses 2 and 3 of his prophecies, where he said, I will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone to all nations.
	Because of this dispute between the returned Israelites and the surrounding nations who are all Muslim.
	He said because of this, all nations would eventually gather for war and that war would break out over this issue.
	And he even gives the battle plan.
	It talks about the fact that this leader from the extreme north of reborn Israel We'll lead a confederacy of all of the surrounding nations, which are all Muslim.
	So this, you go to the extreme north of Israel, there's only one nation there, it's Russia.
	It says that this great northern power, Russia, would arm all of these surrounding nations with lethal weapons, and then lead them in this great war, where they will come down on Israel, and then that will trigger The West to be brought in, and they will bring a great army in there to fight and decimate the Russian-led Muslim Confederacy.
	And then there will be met by another power who will come into the Middle East, which is the Asians, who will bring 200 million soldiers into war there.
	That would be the last great war, alright.
	And it would become nuclear very quickly.
	It sure talks about things.
	That sounds like nuclear because of what it calls fire and brimstone.
	It talks about a third of the population of the Earth being killed by fire and brimstone and by what looks like a shower of asteroids hitting the Earth.
	It says that a shower of these asteroid looking things hit the Earth and then the atmosphere is rolled back on itself.
	And things begin to disintegrate.
	So I think he's describing a nuclear war.
	Would seem so.
	Hal, I'm going to ask this probably an important question.
	I probably shouldn't be asking this, but I mean, what kind of God unrolls, begins mankind, and then unrolls everything, lets it all get way out of control, and then ends it in fire and brimstone?
	It's just, it's hard to understand.
	This may be something God knew would happen.
	Surely God could change this outcome or prevent this outcome.
	It's hard to understand and put together one's concept with God and that happening.
	Well, he made a decision to give man freedom of choice.
	That was a calculated risk because man managed it.
	The one prohibition that was given to man, he managed to violate.
	Nature was fallen and from that time on God was in a dilemma because how could he bring back to himself a creature that was now fallen and unacceptable to him, impossible for man on his own to ever become acceptable again.
	And so God, though he wasn't obligated to do anything, chose to step out of eternity into time and become a man and take upon himself The guilt for all the human race and die under his own justice.
	In other words, justice had to be paid.
	He couldn't just say, well man has sinned and we'll just sweep that under the rug.
	It had to be paid.
	So he managed to satisfy the demands of his own justice by dying in the place of every man.
	Then he offered a free forgiveness, a free pardon to anyone who will receive it.
	This is what is offered to man and yet even so, so many turn it down.
	When it comes to the end and there is this great war and so forth, it isn't God doing
	this.
	It is man allowed to make his own choices and it is man that brings down.
	Well, you say that on the one hand, but on the other hand, you say no matter what we do, no matter what peace initiatives, it's all inevitably going to happen.
	Well, God knows how we're going to choose.
	It would appear to be happening.
	Yeah, it is.
	But the way out is to accept the gift of pardon that Jesus Christ died in our place to give us.
	And the good news, and this may sound like it's really beyond the kingdom of nigh, the good news is God promises that when this begins to unfold, just before all of this war begins, that God is going to miraculously take out every person who has believed in Him and received that pardon.
	So those who believe and receive that will not go through it.
	So if one were to wake up one day and all the Christians they know are suddenly gone, and here we are left, gaggling about, wondering what the heck just happened, that would be a big sign to you, wouldn't it?
	I would say it would be terrible.
	It would be time to think about what those crazy Christians talked about and see if you couldn't get around to receiving the gift of pardon that he offered.
	There's still time, but those who delay will have to go through that horrible period.
	In the meantime, man is making some rather interesting decisions.
	I've got another story that just broke in front of me.
	Italy doctor says three cloned pregnancies exist.
	Now, while they're not doing it here in the U.S., they're saying three women in Italy, not in Italy, I guess, actually not in Italy, are pregnant now with clones.
	So, despite all of the controversy and the discussion we've had about cloning, we proceed ahead full speed.
	And I wonder what we're doing with cloning.
	Aren't we now getting into the God business?
	Yeah.
	Getting right into the Genesis account.
	I think that nothing good can ever come of cloning.
	We don't know what kind of a person this is going to produce.
	We have no idea.
	This could produce a variant in human nature that could be catastrophic.
	We really don't know what the results of that will be.
	Man is really playing with things that... With fire?
	Yes, absolutely.
	Well, before they created Dolly, they had a lot of monsters.
	Yes.
	And I guess it's one thing, you know, with a sheep to say, well, monster, goodbye, and end of experiment.
	But when you begin to create monster, I don't know what you'd call them.
	If you'd even call them humans, I guess you would, technically.
	Monster humans.
	I don't know what you do with them.
	Yeah, it's terrifying.
	It really is.
	And I mean, you know, there have been abnormalities even in successful clones like Dolly.
	That's correct.
	There are physical abnormalities.
	We have, yet it remains to be seen, you know, whether they will live natural lives or what.
	We've talked a lot about this on my website howlindsey.com, where we've gone into this at great length, and I think man is playing with fire.
	Well, you know, an interesting thing, I mean, just to speculate, the first cloned child
	apparently is the clone of a very rich Arab man.
	And so, you know, it's kind of interesting that it would be a rich Arab man with what
	we may have ahead of us.
	It could be.
	It could prove to be very interesting.
	You remember the movie The Boys from Brazil?
	I sure do.
	That was way ahead of its time, wasn't it?
	It sure was.
	That's frightening, what can be produced.
	You just never know.
	Even in that movie, which, you know, it wasn't based on just imagination.
	Mingley was definitely trying to reproduce Adolf Hitler.
	Well, you're going to love this.
	The doctor doing this said that two of the three pregnancies were developing in Russia and one in a, in quotes, Islamic state, and that they were six to nine weeks along.
	This is frightening.
	I mean, I think that there's no end to heartache and suffering that can come of this.
	react to, too.
	And then in this country, in fact around the world, I've got a story here from The Guardian, which I'd like you to
	It says 177 priests removed in 28 states, suspected of murdering Christians.
	Just the decline within the church.
	have either resigned now or been taken off duty in 28 states in the District of Columbia.
	Now I think everybody is pretty well aware of what's going on in the crisis in the Catholic
	Church with priests.
	What's your say about that, Al?
	I think that's also a sign of the times, just the decline within the church.
	It talked about the fact that in the church itself there would be a breakout of those
	who no longer believed in the faith and those who were counterfeit ministers and so forth,
	false teachers and counterfeit ministers.
	There are a lot of people who call themselves Christians that are not really Christians.
	They're not born again.
	They haven't experienced the spiritual birth that changes the nature.
	It's sad what's happening in many places.
	Before he passed, I interviewed a very interesting Catholic priest, Fr.
	Malachi Martin, who said repeatedly that there was real evil within the walls of the Vatican itself.
	Yes.
	He was a good friend of mine.
	And Malachi Martin had a handle on it like few people I've ever seen.
	And definitely, there is.
	There is evil within the walls of the Vatican.
	I mean, let's face it, and it's not exclusive to the Catholic religion or Catholic denomination.
	There's a general breakdown in human nature going on, and this is just part of what was predicted would take place.
	You know, it's interesting.
	We've talked a little bit about plagues, famines, and so forth, but Jesus predicted a number of Seemingly unrelated things to look for.
	They would all start coming together in concert with each other.
	And he said they would be like birth pangs.
	They would increase in frequency and intensity like a birth pang in a woman.
	I don't have a child.
	Like a quickie.
	Yes.
	And he said that, you know, in that context, he said that there would be beware that you're not deceived for many will come in my name.
	Saying, I represent Christ and they will be false teachers and they will deceive many.
	That was the first sign he gave.
	Then he said that nation would rise against nation.
	Ethnic group against ethnic group.
	There would be wars and rumors of wars.
	That's his way of saying hot wars and cold wars.
	He said all of this would be the beginning of the birth pangs.
	And then he said there would be famines, there would be earthquakes, there would be plagues, there would be global weather pattern changes.
	And he said all of these things would begin to happen in the same time frame and increase in frequency and intensity.
	And I really believe we've got it happening now.
	I was just reading in Earth Week.
	this Larsen Ice Shelf that broke off that you mentioned earlier.
	Larsen B? Yeah, but it says that within about three decades there's some islands they believe that will almost
	disappear because the level of the water is raising as these
	icebergs melt. You know, I didn't know the Larsen B was bigger than the island of Sicily. It's big.
	Really big. Well, it's not big anymore.
	It's in a million pieces.
	We live in this modern age where you can actually see satellite, sort of a moving GIF, and you can actually see the entire ice shelf disintegrate into the water.
	It's the daggonest thing I've ever seen.
	And it starts calving, as they say.
	It's frightening to see such Because, and it also says that it's destroying millions of forms of life.
	That is correct.
	That was in that area.
	And the scientists, by the way, looking at Larsen C, which would be the next one in line, are saying it doesn't look very stable at all, Hal.
	Wow.
	Another sign.
	We'll be back in a moment.
	Stay right there.
	My guest is Hal Lindsey.
	He's a brilliant man, and I think you ought to listen to him.
	The signs are all there, and they are quickening.
	Everything's moving a little faster and faster, isn't it?
	It's 2 a.m.
	It's 2 a.m. and the sun is up.
	It's 2 a.m. and the sun is still warm.
	Oh, and I can bet that it's taking a chance.
	Yeah, there's a song on the roof, a song that rings in my head.
	Yeah.
	Rhymes after rhymes, songs to get you fed.
	Can't I just go?
	My whole life's been a good friend, babe Mmm, and my baby's good as my eyes are
	Crying on the corner, waiting in the rain Like we're on the best way to get
	You gave me a world worth for you all I've Darling, in my wildest dreams
	I never thought I'd go But it's time to let you know
	I'm gonna hug you by your heart I'm gonna swallow my tears
	I'm gonna turn and leave you All my life I've been waiting, babe
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	I like to think of myself as a spiritual person.
	That probably makes me sound, you know, New Agey or something.
	But I'm not a deeply religious person.
	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nye.
	I am not a religious person.
	I like to think of myself as a spiritual person.
	That probably makes me sound, you know, New Agey or something.
	But I'm not a deeply religious person.
	Nevertheless, I'm pragmatic and I can see the signs.
	They're everywhere.
	They're all around us.
	They're increasing in frequency, and they are as listed, the signs.
	And so whether you're religious or not, in my case the answer is not, it sure looks like it to me.
	I mean, when you look at the list, and you look at the world, and look at the list, and look at the world, it's
	kind of obvious.
	A lot of my biblical knowledge of what is to come comes from movies rather than the Bible.
	I remember a movie called The Seventh Sign.
	In The Seventh Sign, it was the end.
	These seals were beginning to be broken open.
	I've got the Hollywood version of that.
	What can you tell me about the seals?
	Yeah, with the seals it's a picture of a scroll and in the ancient times they would have judgments written in a column on a scroll and then after each one you would have a wax seal that would be affixed and so when you would open this scroll and begin to read those judgments you'd have to unroll to the point where there was a wax seal, you'd read that part, then you would break the next seal and read the next part.
	And that's the imagery that is part of the first stage of judgments in the book of Revelation.
	There are actually three series of judgments.
	There are seven judgments in each of the three.
	The first is the judgment of the seals.
	Where these are broken and unraveled, and they begin to read off the judgments that are coming upon man.
	You know, incidentally, I checked with my statistician while we were going through this last break, Mark Morales, and we say that all of these signs Jesus predicted were going to go through Mike, birth pangs increase in frequency and intensity.
	Yes.
	At the beginning of the 20th century, the average number of killer quakes was between two and six in each decade, all the way up to the 1950s.
	Defined as eight quakes or better?
	These would be anything over six.
	Over six, okay.
	Yeah.
	I just looked at year to date, that's from January 1st of this year until Now, and of course we've had a few since this was compiled, there have been 105 earthquakes.
	Now, here's how it breaks down.
	Some of them, of course, were under five, but in the category between a five to six on the Richter scale, these are categorized as dangerous.
	They could take life and they could do some damage.
	There have been 30.
	In the category 6 to 7 on the Richter scale, these are usually noted as devastating.
	These can do much property damage and take much life.
	There have been 12.
	And in the category 7 to 9, this is called catastrophic category, like an F5 category in the tornadoes, if they get up over 8.
	There have been four just this year, and we're only in April.
	So this gives an idea of how things have accelerated.
	They really have.
	Now, another sign would be famines.
	There are isolated famines, of course, around the world right now.
	There are many hungry in the world.
	Yes.
	But I have interviewed many climatologists here on the show.
	And people talking about this climate change, and now rapid climate change, that so many scientists now believe we're entering a period of rapid climate change.
	Right.
	They never said that before.
	You know, it's all long term, and here we are seeing all these incredible changes within our own lifetimes.
	I mean, we're seeing them unfold in front of our eyes, while the first effect of these gigantic weather changes will be on agriculture.
	Right.
	And, of course, it's a very short leap from there to famine, isn't it?
	Yes, it is.
	You know, I remember back in the 1970s when they were talking about famines and so forth, and Dr. Charles Paddock wrote a book called Famines, 1975, and he said that that would be the time we would reach what he called the Age of Famines.
	And he was right on target.
	We started what officially has been recognized as the age of famines and that means that there is a major famine going on in some part of the world at all times now.
	And of course a lot of this started off by simply the exponential increase in population.
	Well naturally more mouths.
	That was the first but that's only one part of it.
	But just to give you an idea of the exponential part of it is When I was, it took from the beginning of civilization to 1850 to reach the first one billion in population.
	From 1850 to 1930 to reach the second billion.
	From 1930 to 1960, the fourth billion.
	to reach the second billion. From 1930 to 1960, the fourth billion. From 60 to 75, the
	fifth billion. From 75 until just before 2000, over six billion.
	Yes.
	So you can see that exponential effect.
	But then, at just the time when we need to have more ways of feeding mouths, we see this climate change.
	And also the disruption of whole populations by war.
	Civil wars and so forth.
	That's what's devastating Africa and many places like that.
	What you have is a built-in mathematical certainty of terrible famines coming in the future.
	Of course, another factor that's going to bring it in is the shortage of fresh water.
	Drought.
	There are going to be water wars.
	There are reports now bubbling under of drought all the way across the nation.
	One of the worst droughts we've ever seen.
	Emergencies beginning to be declared across the country.
	We're in a severe drought right now.
	It's underreported.
	We're in one right now.
	It's part of the climate change.
	Yes, it is.
	I mean, you will be able to see that probably crops are going to have to be grown further and further north.
	And one of the things Jesus said to watch for is that as all of this was taking place, that there would be That men's hearts would fail them for fear at the roaring of the waves of the sea.
	In other words, these storms that would be generated around the equatorial belt of the world coming in from the sea, the storms would be of such intensity that even people who were familiar with storms and lived in that area would drop dead from sheer terror just to see the intensity of the storms that are coming upon the world.
	When you see all of this developing the way it is, you know something has got to be up.
	You said you're not religious.
	Well, technically I'm not either.
	I believe in Jesus Christ.
	I have accepted the gift of pardon that he purchased for me, but I'm not a real religious man in the sense of running around with a tambourine and things like that.
	Even if I weren't religious at all, even if I had no faith in this, I would see enough evidence.
	No, you don't need to.
	You're just a pragmatic observer.
	That's all you need to be.
	Exactly.
	You hit it right with pragmatic.
	There's enough things going on that are unique where something has to be different.
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	You know what I did in the late great 20th century?
	I was astounded because it just kind of gathers up all the things that began to happen in the 20th century.
	Like we rode into the 20th century on horseback.
	We rode out on space vehicles.
	When we went into the 20th century, the most deadly form of military action was a cavalry charge.
	When they came in with the horse-drawn cannons, we came out with intercontinental ballistic missiles with multiple warheads.
	You just begin to see how all of this has changed.
	Today, with the advent of computers, they say the entire base of Western knowledge doubles every six months.
	Well, I know processor speed, I think is six months or 18 months or something.
	And anyway, Hal, look, I just listened to the last newscast.
	I'm sure you heard part of it.
	Yes, I did.
	We're going to obviously invade Iraq with a massive force.
	I mean, they're getting the public ready for it.
	You can hear it and you can imagine that in any massive invasion of Iraq, there will be thrown at Israel, probably Jerusalem.
	Weapons of some sort of mass destruction.
	I mean, it happened last time, it'll happen again.
	Well, here's what I think is going to happen.
	I don't think this is the end, but I think it's what I would call a mini Armageddon.
	In other words, the stage of prophetic fulfillment hasn't quite reached the stage where the last events will take place.
	It's just before.
	That lady is humming.
	Yeah, and I think what's going to happen is We'll invade Iraq.
	And by the way, Iran is much more dangerous than Iraq.
	But we'll invade Iraq.
	And what they're going to do is start... They will probably throw some weapons of mass destruction and missiles over on Israel.
	Well, Israel has over 400 missiles with nuclear tips on them.
	Buried in the desert, we hear.
	They will launch.
	They have already warned.
	Anyone launches a weapon of mass destruction on us, we will launch on them.
	We're making similar noises.
	Our country is making similar noises.
	So has Britain.
	There have been a lot of changes, even nuclear policy changes.
	Oh yeah, we're talking about using tactical nuclear weapons if they send any gas or biological weapons on our troops over there.
	That's right, it's all warming up, you can see it.
	So, one of the prophecies that is unrelated to Armageddon But in some conflict shortly before that is that Damascus, it's in Isaiah chapter 17 verse 1, it says, Damascus shall become a ruinous heap and no one will dwell in it again.
	And Damascus is the longest inhabited city in the world.
	It has been continuously inhabited for over 3,500 years.
	And yet it talks about, in the last days, that something's going to happen that will so obliterate it that there will be nothing left.
	And it will be left in a condition where not even an animal will dwell in it.
	Well, that sounds like it gets us with a nuclear weapon.
	Sure sounds like that, doesn't it?
	Yeah.
	We're in an interesting situation now where Muslim fundamentalists They don't want to make a deal with us.
	They don't exactly really want us to change policies.
	They really want us actually dead.
	Oh yeah.
	That's hard for us to deal with.
	I mean, usually you can have peace talks and compromises and do this and do that, but in this situation, when someone just simply wants you dead, it doesn't seem like there's a lot you can do in the way of Any sort of compromise and peace initiative and politics all goes down the drain.
	I mean, it's just... Well, our fight against terrorism is doomed already.
	It was doomed the moment that President Bush got up and said that our enemy is not Islam.
	It is a few radicals.
	You understand why, politically, why he said that?
	Yeah, and he didn't want to cut the whole valve off, I'm sure.
	Yeah, sure.
	But the problem is this, and I'm sure there are some Muslims out there that don't want to go on a jihad, but if you look at the history of Islam, the Islamic fundamentalist and the radical who's ready to pull his sword and go on a jihad to spread Islam is not the radical, he is the Heart of what the Quran teaches.
	Mainstream.
	Yeah, I mean, that's mainstream.
	Look at, if anyone should understand the Quran, it should have been Muhammad.
	What did he do?
	Well, he took, he drew the sword, gathered an army, and went out and started spreading Islam with a sword.
	And that's the heart and center of it.
	I mean, their goal is to bring the whole world under Islam, which means insubmission to Allah.
	And they feel that is their mission.
	And so when you look at the fact that there are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world today, and that there are more mosques in England than there are churches, you begin to get the dimension of what we're up against.
	So short of our conversion, rather unlikely, they want us dead.
	Right.
	Convert or die.
	And of course they want to destroy America because we've helped Israel Keep a foothold in what they consider their third holiest site.
	And so, that's unforgivable to Islamic fundamentalists.
	They feel that it is their duty to hit us.
	The so-called eleventh hijacker, Mazari, that's all he's saying is he wants the destruction of America.
	Right.
	If he gets a chance to open his mouth, that's all he says.
	He wants us destroyed.
	Exactly.
	He doesn't want us to change policy.
	He doesn't want us to convert.
	He's given up on that honor.
	He just wants us dead.
	Now, when you consider that a minimum of 10% of the 1.3 billion Muslims in the world are Islamic fundamentalists, well, you know, just off the top, that's what 130 million people that would like to see us dead.
	So we can't win this war?
	No.
	I believe that there will be a jockeying around, but ultimately this is going to come to a It's going to come to Armageddon.
	You have to wonder how it could unwind.
	Could you ultimately be wrong about, for example, a U.S.
	invasion of Iraq, a full-on invasion to topple the government, and Saddam Hussein, that could easily bring other countries into it, in addition to maybe a real hot kind of war with Israel.
	It could bring other nations in.
	Well, I think it will do that.
	But I think what will happen is that it will produce such a horrific effect that the world will be terrified and say, at all costs, we've got to solve this Muslim-Israeli problem.
	And that's when the Antichrist will step in and seemingly produce a solution to it.
	That's when people like you will say who he is, right?
	And then I guess you have to fear for your life at that point.
	Because he'll be a real popular guy for a while, right?
	Isn't that the way it's written?
	We'll be right back.
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	Strange doings in my little town this last day, and I imagine many of your little towns as well.
	Maybe it all means something.
	If you're listening carefully, it obviously does.
	You definitely might want to, religious or not, you might want to call and get a series of tapes of Hal's talking about.
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	Some people are not good that way and they like the numbers.
	Listen, somebody reminds me, it's Anthony in Phoenix who says, I get these computer messages while we're doing the show.
	Hello, Mr. Bell.
	Would you please ask Al if he knows, has any idea why you saw this huge zodiac in that church you visited in Rome?
	Oh, I was in the Vatican, and I came out of the Sistine Chapel right as you come out.
	Here's this gigantic There were apparently some old influences in the church that somehow or another I never thought were there.
	the twelve signs of the zodiac and I I looked at that and I realized I was in the Vatican and I
	said what? What's this doing? This is Dean Chapel
	uh... there were apparently some old influences in the church that
	somehow or another I never thought were there. It really shocked me
	yes and this may be why
	the book of revelation calls it mystery Babylon Yeah, that's right.
	Maybe so, huh?
	Yeah, because the first religion man ever followed was built around astrology and on the plains of Shinar and what became known as Babel, and that's where Babylon came from.
	But the first religion man ever had was built around the stars, the study of the stars.
	And it's interesting how that has been passed down from one religious system to another, and it's disturbing that you find it also resident within the Vatican.
	There is an increasing global anti-Semitism now.
	I mean, obviously there is, and it's really increasing quickly.
	That would be climbing the same hill, or rolling down the same hill, depending on how you look at it, right?
	This is definitely something that's predicted.
	As a matter of fact, when God called Abraham and he gave him promises and covenants, he set him apart because he was going to create from him a nation that would be his special representatives on earth.
	God knew that this was going to make him a target.
	God has disciplined the Jews down through history, but he reserves the right to discipline them to himself.
	and when somebody else tries to take that in hand uh... god promises that they will pay for it and
	and yet one of the mysteries of history
	has been uh... this tremendous
	hatred toward the jewish people
	Again and again.
	Yes.
	It comes.
	And by the way, the name Jew has been indiscriminately applied to all of the descendants of Abraham, called the Israelites, but technically that's a term that was applied first in Babylon when the three tribes from the southern kingdom were taken
	captive there the travel judah
	benjamin and levi and because they came from a place called judia
	they call them judia and so as as as it was in that language you
	and that stuck with a minute now it's been applied all the other tribes as well
	as all of this unfolds now you said earlier uh...
	america's role you mentioned america's role yes and it all seems to unwind
	uh... in the middle east what is
	What is America's role as this all unfolds?
	Well, I've been studying prophecy now for 46 years, and one of the most disturbing things to me, Art, is that as you look at the lineup of nations in the last configuration, and The Bible has ways of predicting nations that exist today, and as I look at this, there is nothing even intimated about the United States.
	Now, many other nations are definitely predicted, but there is absolutely nothing about the United States being a significant power, even to be mentioned in the last days.
	Now, that has bothered me, because that means that One, we will be diminished in power to the point where we will not be a significant power.
	One thing we know for sure is that the power of the West must shift to Europe in a revived Roman Empire with Rome as its capital.
	I've been looking for 46 years.
	I look for the United States of Europe to appear.
	Even though they've tried it for centuries and it never worked.
	And I believe the EU is the beginning.
	So we may not even be part of the final act?
	We may not be.
	Because we could well be destroyed before that.
	And so when this happened on 9-11, that really set some belts off.
	Because just four months before that, I had just made the video called, Where's America in Prophecy?
	And I said that If I'm correct, something catastrophic is going to happen to the United States soon.
	And that was when?
	When did you say that?
	I said that four months before November 11th.
	September 11th.
	Oh my.
	Everybody has the feeling, you know, I guess we've rampaged our way through Afghanistan and a lot of American people now have the feeling that You know, it's getting safe again.
	It's over.
	It looks like we've routed these bad guys out.
	It's just not like that, is it, Hal?
	No.
	It's kind of like, you know, when the clouds are gathering static electricity just before an electric storm and a thunderbolt bursts loose.
	That's what I see it as right now.
	I see these Islamic fundamentalists gathering power quietly, like static electricity being gathered in a cloud, a thundercloud.
	And all of a sudden, without warning, there's a massive thunderbolt.
	And I believe that's about the way it's going to happen.
	I really do believe.
	First of all, in a democracy that treasures freedom like we do, it's virtually impossible to protect ourselves against a determined enemy that is willing to give his life to hit us.
	There just happens to be hundreds of thousands of people like that that are trained, dedicated, and ready to give their life to do significant damage to us.
	I think it's only a matter of time before they use a nuclear device on us.
	Apparently so.
	Yes, a lot of rumors about that and about the fact that they may have nuclear devices of one sort or another, dirty bombs, whatever.
	It's all over the news.
	All of this, all of these signs, I don't know, they seem to be there, they seem to be there in increasing amounts, and so I guess a lot of people, you know, a lot of non-religious people can't help but look at this, as I said earlier, just pragmatic people and, you know, sort of nervously say, oh gee, you know, that does, that kind of sounds like what you're talking about.
	Maybe this is the beginning.
	Also, I wanted to ask you about these horsemen.
	These horsemen of the apocalypse.
	What sort of modern interpretation?
	How do you imagine that?
	Well, those are, of course, allegorical figures that are depicting something, but I can reel them off here.
	First, the first horseman.
	And by the way, why do you believe he is alive now?
	who comes forth with a crown conquering and that is the Antichrist.
	It's depicting the judgment where the Antichrist is going to turn loose on the world and the
	world is going to think he's the best man that's ever lived.
	He's the answer.
	He's the one that's going to bring the world out of this terrible period of war.
	And by the way, why do you believe he is alive now?
	What leads you to believe he is alive now?
	Because of the development of the scenario, the predicted scenario.
	It's at the time point right now where he has to be alive in order to fit in with the timing of the prophetic scenario.
	And then there's the second horseman, the red horse.
	And this horseman depicts the fact that it says he takes peace from the earth.
	Now that means there must have been a period of peace.
	So this would be the peace that the Antichrist establishes.
	And so it says that he takes peace from the earth and provides that men should slay one another, and a great sword was given to him.
	Well, in the original Greek, the word slay is not the normal word.
	It's a word for utterly slaughter.
	And a great sword is given.
	Of course, the sword in ancient literature is a symbol of weapons.
	It says it's a great sword.
	So this means that in this war there will be tremendous weapons of mass destruction.
	Could be a hydrogen bomb.
	Yes.
	Today.
	So it says that it will take much life.
	And then the third horseman is a sickly pale color.
	And it says this one I'm sorry, it's a black horse.
	He appears with a scale in his hands and he says, he heard a voice saying, for a living, a quart of wheat for a denarius and three quarts of barley for a denarius.
	Well, a denarius in that day was the average wage of the average worker, so it means a day's wage would buy One quart of wheat or three quarts of barley.
	And it says, do not touch the oil or the wine, which is the luxury thing.
	So I believe that this one is talking about the great scarcity of food.
	Once war breaks out, there'll be a tremendous scarcity of food worldwide.
	And then the fourth horseman is the one that's ashen or deadly or deathly, pale horse.
	Yes, it is, and the first horseman would seem to be galloping.
	and Hades and says that he will kill a fourth of the population of the earth with sword,
	which means with the weaponry of war, with famine, with plague and by the wild beasts
	of the earth.
	So it is pretty grisly.
	Yes, it is.
	And the first horsemen would seem to be galloping.
	Yes, I think that this man, that the conditions for him to be accepted are already being set
	up.
	If you knew with absolute certainty, Hal, where the Antichrist was right now, what would
	you do?
	Bye.
	Well, I would do everything in my power to unveil who he is and what he's going to do.
	But see, in my understanding of Bible prophecy, I will never know who this man is.
	Because I'll be taken out of the world before he is unveiled.
	And so will all those who have received the gift of pardon.
	There is some controversy about all of this, even about all of the Christians suddenly being gone.
	Is there biblical support for the rapture, really?
	Yes, there is.
	I wrote a book called, in fact, it's relatively new, it's a book called Vanished into Thin Air.
	This book goes into all of the different views on it, and I go into why I believe that all Christians will suddenly and without warning be taken out of the world mysteriously just before this Antichrist is unveiled.
	Why is this not, in its own way, as radical a view as the fundamentalists who destroyed the towers in New York and the Pentagon?
	In its own way, it's a pretty radical view, isn't it?
	It's radical.
	The difference is, we don't think we've got to go out and kill people for our faith.
	We don't believe that.
	In other words, To say that you believe something as clearly miraculous as is required for this event to be is like saying you've lost your mind.
	The only reason I believe it, and I do not think I put my brain on the shelf, is because I look back in history and I see where God made predictions of Absolutely incredible things, and yet they were fulfilled literally just as he predicted them, and without one failing.
	I mean, there are hundreds of fulfilled prophecies in history that were made long before they happened, and they all were literally fulfilled.
	So that's why I dare to believe something as wild and crazy-sounding as the rapture.
	The Islamic fundamentalists, for example, believe that if they give their life as a martyr, they're going to go up and they're going to have 70 virgins and all kinds of radical views blow themselves up and they're in a land with 70 virgins, that's their reward.
	What do you say to the non-believers, the atheists, and I have them call the show all the time, The religions, referring to all of them, will in fact be our end.
	That all man's big wars have been about belief and religion.
	Listen, I agree with that.
	And that's why I don't believe that true Christianity is a religion.
	See, religion is man seeking to gain God's acceptance by what he does.
	To earn God's acceptance through his merit.
	Christianity says man has no merit and can never be good enough for God to accept.
	So we simply receive a gift of pardon that God offers us and this puts us into a living personal relationship with God.
	It's not something you have to strive for.
	It's a personal relationship.
	It's not going about you know, trying to do things in order to earn God's
	acceptance.
	And God changes us from within rather than us trying to change ourselves by our own good
	deeds and by our own self-will.
	But I can see where looking at religion as a whole, it must be bewildering.
	You could have that view.
	I can understand it because all of us go out and some of the worst things in history happened with people that had crosses on their shields.
	Absolutely.
	I mean we all go and we kill with God's name or Buddha's name or Allah's name.
	That's what they yell out just before the bombs go off.
	But if you follow what Jesus said, that doesn't fit at all.
	Because Jesus didn't teach to go out and try to convert people by the sword or by pressure.
	He simply says, tell them the message of my love, and if they receive it, then wonderful.
	If they don't, that's their choice.
	But you don't have to make them do that.
	They should never try.
	Nor should we ever, you know, in any way hurt somebody because they reject it.
	There was still this eye-for-an-eye thing, and when you take two big buildings down in New York City and hit our Pentagon, and try to hit our White House probably, there's a lot of eye-for-an-eye stuff here, and we get involved anyway.
	Well, even in Christianity, there is the principle of self-defense.
	And there's, like in Romans Chapter 13, it even says that Duly appointed government is an instrument of God for keeping peace, and it says it doesn't bear the sword in vain.
	Well, you don't slay people with swords.
	True, but what is seen as self-defense... That's why you have to be sure you're not letting somebody pull a wool over your eye.
	...can be seen as offense by others.
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	He's right here.
	here's a right there once again uh... here's how was it were about the phones uh...
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	Just a couple of things.
	Matthew in Fresno says, Art, everybody has heard the warning of the Antichrist.
	As soon as the Christians disappear and the bad boy appears, everyone is going to know not to follow.
	It couldn't ever work.
	It just couldn't work.
	In other words, at the point that the Christians disappeared, that had come crashing in as some great reality for everybody.
	I suppose.
	And then the story would come crashing home as the absolute truth, and nobody would follow him.
	What about that sort of psychology?
	Well, I suppose that would work, except for one factor.
	And that is?
	in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 in the New Testament.
	It says about those who are going to be left, it says this, it says,
	And then that wicked one who shall appear, whose coming is in accordance with the activity
	of Satan, with all power, signs, and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness
	for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be
	saved.
	For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence, so that they might believe the lie, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth.
	So it says God is going to send a diluting influence that they will believe a lie.
	And that's apparently the one that's going to cover this Antichrist when he comes.
	Okay, well here's one for you, Hal, and then we'll go to the phones.
	Stephen in Minneapolis says, look, only Christians are going to be saved.
	What about the Buddhists?
	They're a peaceful, loving, Honest people, for the most part, that's true.
	In my struggle for religion, I studied Buddhism.
	I lived in Japan for ten years.
	I studied Buddhism.
	They are a very peaceful, loving people, and it's hard to grasp the concept how they would be left for this horrible punishment.
	Explain that to me.
	Well, you know, there are a lot of people in this world who are not vicious.
	They're not mean, not outwardly anyway.
	And yet God says that all fall short of his standard.
	Once man has fallen, and he did, he went his own independent way, and the relationship with God was broken.
	Now once that took place, The standard has to be the character of God.
	The only one who can be accepted by God is one who is as good as God is.
	And no one can qualify under that.
	Now that's why God took the extreme measure of stepping out of eternity into time and becoming a man and a person of Jesus Christ was so that he could take the judgment dictated by his own justice in the place of man and pay it in his place, and then give to man a righteousness which was equal to his, if he would only accept the gift of pardon.
	Now, God has done everything he could do to furnish that for every person.
	It's free.
	He purchased it for them.
	It's absolutely free if a person will receive it.
	But if they turn it down, there's nothing else God can do.
	What if it's not been offered, though?
	I mean, if they've never had the opportunity to even have it offered to them?
	I could take you even today into villages in Japan and all over Southeast Asia where it's never even been considered.
	It's never even been offered.
	Well, God says this, that every person comes to an awareness at some point in their life, We're around 12, 13 years old for sure, where God himself shows that there must be one true God.
	Now if this person desires to know God, he'll move heaven and earth to get the message to them so that they will have the opportunity to receive the pardon that he purchased for them.
	One last question I want to hit you with, if I can, and this is from Alan in Las Vegas, a good one too.
	I've had people on the air debating.
	The Bible codes.
	These scholars who are claiming to find these incredible messages written in a secret code within the Bible that computers can find with mathematical probabilities and all the rest.
	How have you reacted to that whole controversy?
	Well, I know that some of this is true, but I think it's been carried too far.
	I've never really gotten into it because I feel there's enough to learn just by reading the words than trying to find secret meanings.
	So I've just never really gotten involved in it.
	But I do know people who have found some basic amazing messages that way.
	But I think it's something that could be abused because it's something where the It's almost like allegory.
	If you grant that things are allegorical, you can let your mind be the determiner of what it means.
	Well, they contend that this has always been there, and that the basic message of the Bible is still all correct, and that these codes simply were there sort of like a waiting, ticking time bomb, or maybe that's wrong.
	Well, I do know that That the phenomenon, it does exist.
	I know that Grant Jeffries is one man that has spent a lot of time in this.
	Yakov Remzel, he is one I put a lot of credit in.
	What this is, they count, there are no vowels in the original Hebrew, so they count consonants.
	What they do is For instance, they will count every fifth consonant and see if there's a message that emerges.
	And as they began to do this, equidistant distances between the letters.
	And as they began to do this, they found amazing things took place that only a divinely inspired revelation could have hidden within it.
	That's right.
	And so I believe, yes, I've seen it.
	I'm just saying that some people started trying to carry it too far.
	Okay.
	Two phones, I promise.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air with Hal Lindsey.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, sir.
	How are you doing?
	I've been following Hal Lindsey for quite some time.
	Where are you, sir?
	I'm in California.
	Okay.
	And my question was about the Mark of the Beast.
	Things have kind of come to light to me recently.
	First of all, W-W-W, you were just talking about the Hebrew equivalent.
	I'm sure you know that in Hebrew, because the Jews were persecuted so much, they developed a numeric equivalent for each letter.
	The numeric equivalent for the Vav, or W, is 6.
	W-W-W, 6-6-6, in my opinion, could be the mark of the beast.
	And also, there's a company trading on NASDAQ.
	Sorry, well, I don't want to know the name of it.
	Let's stop there.
	Let's stop with the Internet and 6-6-6.
	What about that, Hal?
	Well, it is true that the vowel in the Hebrew alphabet has a numerical value of six.
	But I don't think that's the mark.
	What he's talking about is, in Revelation chapter 13, it says that the Antichrist is going to require everyone to swear allegiance to him as God.
	And we'll have to take the mark, right?
	And then, if they swear allegiance to him, they will receive the prefix to their own personal number, which will be 666.
	And that will authorize them to buy, sell, and hold a job.
	Now, if they don't swear allegiance to him, they will not receive that prefix.
	Which means that they will just be economically a non-entity.
	They will not be able to buy, sell or hold a job.
	Yeah, well how far from that are we?
	I think we're very close because frankly I think the mark, it says they will receive it either in their hand or in their forehead.
	I think the mark will be a, what do you call it, one of these little... Chips?
	Chips, right.
	That will be put under the skin.
	You know I've been interviewing some scientists lately, one from Great Britain.
	Who just had a computer chip implanted in his arm.
	Very interesting, actually connected to nerves that go to the brain in his arm.
	And you have to wonder, I mean, now of course they're implanting chips in pets, you know, just for lost pets and all the rest of it.
	Oh, there are a lot of utilitarian Good reasons for why something like that would be useful.
	In this modern day, you bet.
	The only thing is that the downside is it allows someone who's in charge to centralize power and gain control over everybody with a chip.
	Yes, well how far are we from that?
	This is already there.
	You go to the grocery store now and you swipe a card, a debit card or a bank card, to pay for what you just bought.
	Now how much of a jump from that is it to an even more secure Chip's right here in the palm of my hand.
	Just move your hand over the barcode reader and you can buy whatever you want.
	The technology exists right now to have a chip that could be read from a satellite.
	That's right, that's right.
	I mean, so that you could have your whole dossier on yourself in a chip that's small enough to be under the skin.
	And it could be like you go into a bank and they could have a scanner that when you're 50 feet away would already tell them everything about you and appear on the computer screen.
	So when you see these things happen and you hear the news day-to-day and we crawl closer toward this, you're not surprised?
	Not at all.
	But I do want to say a lot of people have a phobia about all of these things.
	It doesn't become Uh, something that is lethal, or something that is wrong, until you're required to swear allegiance to this Antichrist in order to be able to buy and sell, and then you get this prefix.
	Even I have a little of it, and I'm all that non-religious, but I look up at my, uh, I looked up at the thermometer.
	We've got an inside-outside thermometer.
	I say, look, it's 66.6 degrees inside and out.
	Uh-oh!
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Hal Lindsey.
	Hello.
	Yes, I'd like to ask Hal Lindsey if he's familiar with a prophet by the name of John Leary from Rochester, New York, who talks about the Mark of the Beast.
	He's confirming how Lindsey by saying definitely that the market of beasts will be a microchip which keeps a record every time you buy or sell.
	on the answer we don't need a lot but let me just tell you what he's saying
	okay again you know i don't know what's on the air okay he's confirming how lindsey by saying
	definitely that the market of peace will be
	a microchip which keeps a record every time you buy yourself for example
	when there's a worldwide famine and the middle east that war
	this'll cause a need to ration food and oil so every time you pull up to the
	gas bank that ship will keep a record and you can't cheat by
	saying uh... you know trying to alliance say i was
	this is the first time i got the food or the oil because the microchip keeps an
	accounting of it so Oh, that's a very good point.
	Yeah, so John Leary actually confirmed this guy.
	Alright, so Hal, as conditions worsen, I mean, we're talking about Disease.
	Famine.
	Certainly we can see ahead now very clearly to gas rationing again one day.
	He's right about all of that.
	All of that would... Electronic money.
	You could cut down crime quite a bit.
	Oh my yes.
	All of that is coming.
	Your criminal record.
	Everything.
	Yes.
	Your DNA sequencing.
	Everything could be right on a little chip.
	No problem.
	East of the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Hal Lindsey.
	Good morning.
	Hello Art, how are you guys doing?
	Good, thanks.
	I have a question regarding the Second Coming and the Seven Year Tribulation.
	My understanding of Hal's writings and of some others is that once the Antichrist signs the covenant with Israel regarding them rebuilding their temple, that in a sense starts a seven year clock to Jesus' return.
	And then, I think it's Matthew 24 and some other parts of the Gospels, Jesus says that He does not know of his second coming.
	The angels do not know of when his second coming will be, that only the Father does.
	I guess to me it seems like there is a contradiction there.
	I'm just wondering what exactly I'm missing in my interpretation of that scripture.
	Number one, I don't think there is going to be a sophisticated knowledge of prophecy in
	the world after all the Christians are gone.
	Number one.
	Number two.
	Number three.
	We're not sure that everyone will know when that covenant is signed.
	It may be a secret agreement.
	Okay.
	It's not going to be like the U.N.
	General and the Israelis signed the covenant and it's going to be on CNN.
	It's not going to be like that at all.
	It may not be.
	Okay.
	That answers my question.
	Thank you guys.
	Thank you very much for calling.
	Thank you.
	Hi, Hal, I've got two quick questions for you.
	My first was, with modern construction equipment, how fast could the Israelis rebuild the Temple to spec?
	And number two is, do you think that liberalism today is the beginnings of the strong delusion that will come over the world during the Tribulation?
	Well, I don't think liberalism could quite carry the enormity of what I think the departure from truth, going toward relativism and away from the absolute concept of truth, all of those things contribute to it.
	So your first question was about how quickly could that temple be built.
	I believe with all of the planning and the way it's been mapped out, it could be done
	in six months.
	Wow.
	So we're right on schedule then?
	Yes, I think so.
	Okay, thanks a lot, Art.
	Thank you very much.
	Eric in Edmonton, Canada simply says, what would make me take the ship?
	My answer would be, well, hey, How about eating?
	How long would it take you to accept the chip?
	If you absolutely couldn't make any, you couldn't work, you couldn't hold a job, you couldn't buy anything, you couldn't sell anything.
	I think that would be a pretty strong economic reason.
	I wonder how far from that we could be.
	I mean, as I watch the headlines every day, it seems like not very far at all.
	Well, the technology, the thinking toward that sort of thing, the rationale for it, it's all here.
	I think what it requires is that big man in Rome to come in and institute it.
	Even security, Hal.
	Oh, yeah.
	You know, the two buildings collapsed in New York, the Pentagon, and if something else of that magnitude, or even worse, some sort of attack of mass destructive level were to occur here in the U.S., very quickly, even security could bring that on us.
	Let me give you a scenario.
	You know how we are.
	I travel a lot, so you know how they try to screen people as you try to get on an airplane?
	I suppose everybody had a chip that told you everything about them.
	Then they'd just line them up and read the chip?
	Yeah, all they'd have to do is scan the chip.
	That would be profiling in the best sense.
	You'd know who's who and who's a potential You're always asking, how could you be driven to that?
	Well, one more thing like 9-11 or worse, and we could be driven to that very quickly in my opinion.
	Very quickly.
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	No matter what you believe, we began the show this way and we'll probably wind it up this way.
	No matter what you believe, the signs of the end of history Are very clear.
	One, change of weather.
	More and more storms of a very violent nature.
	Well, gosh.
	That's going on now, isn't it?
	Two, plagues.
	Mysterious and unfeudable diseases.
	Plenty of those every day.
	Three, an increase in earthquakes and volcanic activity covered in full already.
	Four, famines.
	And five, warfare and rumors of war.
	Now, which category there do you think isn't happening?
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	So I guess Hal Lindsey would be just the person to ask about this.
	Terry on Waterloo Ontario asks, Hal, so many Christians today are turning from the pre-tribulation rapture to begin to believe in a post-tribulation rapture.
	My own studies lead me to this conclusion as well.
	What do you think?
	Well, I think that people need to study why they're doing it.
	That's why I wrote this new book called Vanished.
	I go into the scriptures on those things and I believe that, you know, if you compare scripture with scripture, you find the one position that's virtually impossible is the post-tribulation rapture.
	The reason is because when Christ says he comes for the believer, that Every believer is snatched up to meet Him and changed from mortal to immortal.
	Now if that takes place at the end of the tribulation, at the second coming, that means that every living believer will have just been taken off the earth and translated into immortality.
	Then you run into trouble with Matthew chapter 25 where it says, That the first thing Christ does when he returns to the earth in the second coming is he divides the believers from the unbelievers.
	Well, if the rapture had just taken place, that would have already been done.
	And only the believing survivors go into the new kingdom to repopulate the earth.
	If the rapture had just occurred, you'd have no mortals that could bear children.
	That'd all be immortals.
	That's just one of the reasons I take up in my new book, Vanished, and I think that the biggest problem is people do not know exactly what is taught about any of these views anymore.
	They need more study of them.
	How about this?
	Just to throw this out.
	What if the Rapture is, in fact, a nuclear war?
	In other words, the believers are destroyed in a nuclear holocaust while Those who remain suffer what would be better off for the dead.
	I mean, you would rather be dead.
	They say that of a nuclear war.
	Better to be dead than live through what would be afterwards.
	Well, that's true.
	The only difference, though, is it's very explicit how this takes place.
	It says two people will be working at the mill.
	One will be taken.
	The other will be left.
	Two people will be in one bed.
	One will be taken.
	The other will be left.
	And it says it's a sudden, instantaneous thing.
	Where it's rather a snatching away of the individual than them being killed.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	Nuclear weapons.
	And it also says that we're translated without seeing physical death.
	Alright, first time caller on the line.
	You're on the air with Hal Lindsey.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hey, hi there.
	I'm calling you from AFI Los Angeles.
	Yes, sir.
	This is Joe calling from East Los Angeles.
	Yes, I would like to discuss, there was a certain prophecy that Jesus stated that, as
	it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the last days of man, which is referring
	to the nephilim, the necromancy of demons into the human genome.
	And I would also like to discuss the two prophets that were supposed to come towards the end,
	and the Antichrist killed the two prophets.
	two prophets and then the prophets are resurrected by God himself.
	You just introduced a subject that takes about ten hours to discuss.
	It's a really good one.
	And then I want to talk about the clones without souls.
	They'll be used as false prophets.
	If you could also mention the head of the EU confederation will be the Antichrist.
	Well we're probably up to about 15 hours by now.
	Let me just say this.
	May I introduce this?
	I have a news website.
	Is it okay to give that website?
	I know what you meant about the other guy, but I have a news website.
	It's called HowLindseyOracle.com.
	But to get it, all you have to do is just type in HowLindsey.com.
	I might add, we've got a link on our website right now.
	Yeah.
	Oh, great.
	Great.
	We've got a link to yours.
	I didn't know that.
	Great.
	Yeah, we do.
	We love your site.
	Anyway, we do the news 24-7.
	It's basically a news site, not a religious site.
	We analyze the news Actually, they're one and the same, really, aren't they?
	In other words, the news as it unfolds.
	As it is today.
	It is today.
	That's probably why you have a link to my site.
	Yeah, true.
	Alright, Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Hal Lindsey.
	Good morning.
	Hi, this is Daniel.
	Hi, Daniel.
	Listen, I have a question for Hal Lindsey regarding the, well, it's actually the confirmation of the covenant.
	What he's looking at is he's claiming That the covenant is made by the Antichrist.
	In Daniel 9.27 it's very clear this is a covenant God is confirming with us.
	It's already been made that he's returning and establishing his kingdom.
	Oh, you're talking about the one in Daniel chapter 9, verses 26 and 27?
	Yes.
	Okay, he will confirm the covenant with many.
	That way it's translated.
	Actually, the word, it means to establish a kind of security.
	In other words, the covenant that is mentioned in that verse is that the Antichrist is going to guarantee their security somehow.
	The whole conversation, the whole subject matter of the entire chapter is talking about the covenant that God made and is ready to reestablish, to confirm.
	That's what all the 70 weeks is about.
	I don't dispute you on that.
	But what I'm saying is the sense that the Antichrist is going to give it.
	He'll confirm that covenant which will start the last seven years counting down.
	But the way he will confirm it is to give the Jews the sense that he's going to guarantee their security.
	You mentioned earlier 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2.
	Right.
	You know, in 2 Thessalonians he talks about the mystery of iniquity.
	Yes.
	And he also refers to, on the first verse, the gathering together of the saints unto him.
	But there's two parts there.
	What if it's simply as in the order that he delivers it to us, that he returns, establishes his one thousand year reign here on earth, and then at the end of everything the rapture occurs.
	In other words, in the middle of the seven How are we to believe that the Bible is accurate?
	I'll tell you how.
	When I first believed in Jesus Christ, I was a tugboat captain and very skeptical.
	How are we to believe that the Bible is accurate?
	I'll tell you how.
	When I first believed in Jesus Christ, I was a tugboat captain and very skeptical.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I was in New Orleans and had no religious background whatsoever.
	And so I became a believer and I knew that something extraordinary had happened to me because all of a sudden, after I prayed and received this gift of pardon that Jesus talked about, there was this almost instant awareness that I could understand some of the things the Bible was talking about.
	And I realized I'd received the spiritual birth it talks about, but I still had a problem with being able to believe the Bible was some sort of a supernatural book.
	And it wasn't until I heard a lecture at Rice University in Houston, which was my home originally, I heard this scholar speak at Rice University, and he talked about Bible prophecy.
	And I thought, man, that's extraordinary.
	He's a scholar and he's talking about this.
	And he pointed out that the only book in the world that has a system of prediction and has had a 100% accuracy in fulfillment of those predictions is the Bible.
	So I started studying it and that is what convinced me the Bible was the Word of God.
	I just saw that history proved That it had to be supernatural because these prophets at different times would make these predictions about a certain event and they would all come true.
	And history was the record.
	Yes, reading and seeing the prophecy that has come true and is coming true worries me.
	I can't say that it has convinced me.
	My grandmother is kind of a prophetess lady.
	It does.
	Because if the past is true, the future will be true.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Hal Lindsey.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, hello.
	My name is Gary from Osceola.
	Hello, Gary.
	Hi, Hal.
	Hi, Art.
	My grandmother, she's kind of a profit as a lady.
	She throws her hands up and speaks in tongues and all this.
	She taught me that ... Now, Art, you asked a question earlier about how does the United
	States fit into all this.
	That's right.
	I forget all this she told me, but she said that the United States is Ephraim.
	Are you familiar?
	I'm familiar with that.
	How the younger brother got the greater blessing.
	Well, it only makes sense that the United States is that.
	But anyways, can you say anything on that matter of Ephraim and Manasseh, how we fit into that picture?
	Alright, well you said you studied very carefully how we might fit in, and you haven't been able to find anything.
	Well, see, in other words, there's no way to... if you say that the United States is Ephraim, that's something that's allegorical.
	I mean, there's no way to support that other than it's your opinion.
	If you take these other prophecies, like it talks about the Army from the extreme east that will come from east of the Euphrates into the Middle East.
	Well, you know that's Asia.
	Or take the nation that is to the extreme north of Israel.
	You can pin down there's only one nation there.
	Or the revived Roman Empire.
	The culture and the essential culture and people that was once Roman Empire.
	Out of that would come ten nations.
	Well, right away you know that Most likely Europe, because the capital is definitely predicted to be Rome.
	So, you know, those sort of things you can pin down, but to say Ephraim is... Ephraim is the son of Joseph, one of the sons of Jacob, and he had children while he was in Egypt.
	Manasseh and Ephraim, those two sons.
	And they became a part of the inheritance of Israel.
	So they are actually Jews.
	It's not, it couldn't be the United States.
	If we were to suddenly, and this is something discussed frequently, of course, on my program, but if we were to suddenly discover that there are others in the universe.
	Yes.
	And I don't know how that would occur.
	We'd get a signal, you know, or however it might occur.
	Well, you know, the Bible says the secret things belong to the Lord, but those that are revealed belong to us and to our children.
	Would there be a problem with it all?
	Would there be a moment when you would say to yourself, I don't understand how this fits
	in, how it can be?
	Well, you know the Bible says the secret things belong to the Lord, but those that are revealed
	belong to us and to our children.
	I'm sure there are secret things out there we don't know about.
	And yet, we don't have to go too far out into space to be aware of the fact that the Bible
	does tell us that there are beings of enormous powers that are involved on this planet other
	than mankind.
	Bye.
	They carry an interest in certain ones of these beings called angels that are fallen Are much more lethal than anything you could even imagine that might be out there in the galaxies.
	Because these are beings, the Bible tells us, have enormous power.
	There are also discoveries being made here on Earth right now at an incredibly rapid pace.
	Underwater cities that maybe as far as 2200 feet under the water off the coast of Cuba, off India, Okinawa, all over the world.
	Off Egypt too.
	I mean, just all over the world, yes, off Egypt as well, that may lead some to believe that, gosh, the history as we thought it was, isn't.
	I don't know how else to put it.
	No, it's true, and I believe that that is true.
	You do?
	Yeah, I mean, history is certainly older than what Bishop Usher used to say 4,004 years
	before I think it was the birth of Abraham.
	But history is certainly older than that.
	The Bible doesn't say anything that would lead us to believe that it's limited to that.
	There are many Christians who believe 6,000 years is it?
	No, there's nothing in the Bible that demands that.
	There are genealogies, but that doesn't necessarily mean there aren't gaps in the tracing of those genealogies.
	For instance, Jesus is called the Son of David.
	Well, look how many generations are between David and Jesus.
	Indeed.
	Alright, we might have time for one more.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Hal Lindsey.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi, thanks for taking my call.
	Sure, where are you?
	I'm outside Chicago in a suburb.
	Alright.
	I have followed Mr. Lindsey's writings and I greatly enjoy them.
	I also wanted to hark back to a comment that you made earlier about the Muslim martyrs who are promised 77 virgins in heaven to defile when they get there.
	And as a very fundamentalist Christian, I believe in the New and the Old Testament, and I think the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Koran are the three books that represent the three basic or greatest faiths In the Old Testament and the New Testament our heaven is not populated with men who are being allowed to defile women who have no role other than to be defiled.
	We are a faith that is equally loving and forgiving and worshipful of women as it is of men.
	In the Koran, the women are objectified.
	They are treated as nothing more than a gift.
	If you will notice, there is a great deal of similarity between the way Mormonism originated and the way Muslims The Muslim religion reasoning.
	I was going to bring in the Book of Mormon as well, because... Because they both have a concept of heaven that are very fleshly.
	And Justin Smith was a cousin of mine on a very distant level, and we don't own up to that very often.
	Listen, dear, I hate to do it, but I've got to cut you off.
	We're running woefully short of time here, i.e., the program is ending.
	Sorry.
	I want to, again, your series of tapes is available at a phone number right now, a 24-hour number?
	No, it's not 24.
	I'm sorry.
	It's 9 to 5, West Coast time.
	9 to 5.
	It's 1-800-TITUS-35.
	That's 1-800-TITUS-35.
	Or, put another way, 1-800-848-8735.
	That's 1-800-848-8735.
	And they can order it through the website, by the way.
	As well.
	Yeah.
	HalLindsey.com.
	That's 1-800-TITUS35 or put another way 1-800-848-8735.
	That's 1-800-848-8735.
	And they can order it through the website, by the way.
	As well.
	Yeah, howlengy.com.
	Everything is available through the website.
	Well, every single program I've ever done with you has been astounding, and this one,
	And likewise, I really enjoy it, Bart.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Hal, and good night.
	Good night.
	All right, that's it for now, folks.
	That was Hal Lindsey, an amazing man.
	And no matter where you are in the spectrum, and I'm pretty far out of the strictly religious spectrum, way far out probably, I cannot ignore, nor will I ignore on this program, The possibility that people like Hal Lindsey are absolutely right.
	When you look at the signs and you listen to the news on a daily basis, it's all coming down just the way it was written.
	Something you've got to objectively observe and consider, as I am.
	From the high deserts, I'm Art Bell.

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