Nancy Sinatra reflects on her 30-year rock legacy, including California Girl and duets with Lee Hazelwood, while debunking mob myths about her father, Frank, tied to J. Edgar Hoover’s smear campaigns. Art Bell then introduces Hal Lindsey, linking a Nevada teen’s violent rampage—planned with nuclear threats—to biblical prophecies like 2 Timothy 3:1–5 and Revelation’s judgments. Lindsey predicts a pre-tribulation rapture, a Muslim-Russian war over Jerusalem, and the mark of the beast as a mandatory microchip, warning that cloning and global chaos signal accelerating end-times signs. Bell questions divine complicity, while Lindsey insists free will drives humanity’s descent, with the Bible’s accuracy validated by fulfilled prophecies like the revived Roman Empire. [Automatically generated summary]
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This is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nai.
And I opened tonight with this song because, well, because sometimes you fall in love all over again.
And then you really fall hard.
I began playing this as a piece of bumper music, oh, I don't know, maybe the better part of a year ago now.
And I just fell in love with it.
It fit in with the program so well.
I just fell in love all over again.
And then everybody in my audience did, too.
I started getting thousands of emails.
Why is that Phaedra song?
What is that Phaedra song?
Well, it's Nancy Sinatra in Lee Hazelwood.
And tonight, Nancy Sinatra is here in the first hour.
Followed, by the way, by Hal Lindsay in the next hour.
Nancy has achieved a 30-year-plus legacy in rock and roll and created the platform for contemporary rebel chicks like Lannis Morrisett, Joe Crowe, Deborah Harry, and many more.
Songs like So Long Babe, How Does That Grab You, Darling?
These Boots Are Made for Walking, helped Nancy change forever the image of women in rock.
Indeed, boots went to number one, Sugar Count, number four, How Does That Grab You, number seven, perpetuated the theme of independence and free thinking that appealed to young women as well as men.
Nancy recorded the title song for the James Bond movie, You Only Live Twice.
Remember that, which became an anthem for many who still request it whenever she performs today.
Her legendary number one record with her father, Something Stupid, is always on the best of lists, as are many of her duets with her, met her producer, Lee Hazelwood.
Jackson, Some Velvet Morning, Sand, Summer Wine.
I play Summer Wine a lot too.
In the liner notes of Nancy's sugar album, Lee Hazelwood tried to explain the dichotomy of the woman-child figure that seemed to capture so many hearts.
He's called her a girl and a woman who is quiet and noisy, square and hip.
That's quite a combination.
The core of her band, some of whom still perform with her, that's amazing enough, huh?
Was the world-famous Wrecking Crew LA's Finest Rhythm section, who also worked with The Beach Boys, The Righteous Brothers, and Phil Spector.
Other producers Nancy considers herself very fortunate to have worked with are Don Costa, Owens House, Snuff Garrett, Charles Paleo, is it?
Jimmy Bowen, Tutti Camerada, L. Russell Brown, Billy Strange, Dwayne Eddy, aye, yi.
She's written two books about her legendary father with the hope of setting the record straight about his life, raised two daughters, is very politically active, supports American veterans who are very dear to her since her U.S. tour of Vietnam during the war, which I'll never forget.
Coming up in a moment, Nancy Sinatra.
You know, I would describe some Velvet Morning as almost mystical.
That's the way it hit me anyway, and it hit so much of my audience.
I wish that I was laughing when I was listening to the song just now about he must be thrilled because I know that he's getting royalties every time you play that song.
There have been a lot of people who have suggested that any number of songs, including Sugar Town, for example, are drug references out of the 60s, sort of, you know, slightly hidden, but not that hidden.
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Yeah, Lee used to joke about that, that Sugar Town was his homage to LSD, but I don't know if that's true.
And TDY to Da Nang and some other rather exotic locations from Clark Air Force Base in the Philippines when everything went to hell and they started bringing casualties direct to Clark, which turned out to be a politically difficult thing because people weren't getting treatment flying all the way to the U.S., so they diverted them quickly to Clark, and I TDY'd first to Clark and then on down and on down.
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You know, it's a beautiful country, though, Vietnam.
And how long did you sit around and think about that before you called?
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I sat around a little bit about it because it was a little bit crazy.
He said he'd have everybody there at Rhino wearing white go-go boots.
You know, he scared me, so I didn't know what to think.
But he's a good friend of mine now.
This is eight years later.
His name is Hal Lifson, and Hal actually helped bring this California album about.
Plus, he got all of my old albums released on CD, which had never happened before.
But I have enough material, or you wouldn't believe it, I have enough songs for another eight or ten CDs that people don't even know about these songs.
Well, the last album I did before raising my kids was an album with Mel Tillis.
And I thought it was a real good album, but they've never put that out again.
It was on Electra Records.
And if I owned it, I would certainly make sure it was released again because I just love Mel.
He's great, and the songs are gorgeous.
You know, it's a little more country than what I usually do, but it's a really good album.
My husband died in 1985, so I didn't want my kids to feel, they were only 9 and 11.
I didn't want them to feel like they had no parents at all.
So I just stopped.
And then when I got the facts from Hal, it was 1994 or into early 95, and then coincidentally ran into a guy named Ray Ruff, record producer, who said, I want to record you for my new Cougar records label.
I said, okay, great.
You know, let's do it.
So we did an album called One More Time, which again was more country-based than a lot of the stuff I was doing.
There seemed to be, maybe it was love, maybe I don't know what it was, but there's a spiritual component to an awful lot of witch sang, too, isn't there?
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Yeah, well, it's a spiritual and enlightening and humbling experience to be in that kind of creative setting.
A recording studio is much more instantaneous.
It's not like making a movie where you don't see the real film.
You could see it on the videotape, but you don't see the real film for a while until the lab is through with it.
And I wonder if you can remember where it was last used and what helped that agency use this record.
Do you remember?
This is a test.
We'll have the answer in a moment.
Nancy Sinatra's new CD is California Girl.
One of the songs is California Dreaming.
That song, I was working for ITNT in Nutley, New Jersey one day waiting for a bus, and it was snowing, you know, it was cold as hell in New Jersey and snowing.
And I heard California Dreaming, and I, you know, real young at the time, I said, hell with this, and I quit, and I went to California.
Well, I live out here in the desert, so not very far away.
We're kind of like Palm Springs here.
It's a beautiful place.
So how was it being the daughter of Frank, Sinatra?
I mean, is there, can you see the parallel, what I wanted to ask is, can you see the parallels now in your children with your experience, you know, being the daughter of Frank?
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I think I do in some ways.
I think being a famous man's daughter is different from being a famous woman's daughter.
I mean, to this day, I think most American people think that your dad had lots of old mob connections, mobbed up, that kind of thing.
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Well, a lot of American people are naive.
I think that if they would think about it for five minutes, they'd realize that the people who ran the nightclubs in New York were just carryovers from the bootleggers.
And those people who ran those clubs hired people like my father and Danny Thomas and Alan King and Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis.
All of the entertainers worked for those guys.
And when those guys moved west out to Las Vegas, the entertainers moved with them.
And they were friendly because they worked for these people.
Yeah, that was a pretty heavy-duty glass ceiling, though, wasn't it?
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Yeah, but Phil Spector was producing records with a lot of African-American women that were absolutely fabulous.
And He's a Rebel was a great record.
And that stuff, you know, that preceded what I did.
And that was very influential for me.
I loved the R ⁇ B stuff.
And I loved people like Ruth Brown.
And I can't remember now.
It's a senior moment.
But there were many that I just loved and idolized so that, you know, but I sounded like that, and I had that little high, funny voice until Lee came along and said, you know, let's drop this down a bit and let's get a little funky here.
Yeah, I was, you know, you're young and you're kind of crazy, and you look around yourself, and I was in actually Newark waiting for a bus to take me to IT ⁇ T in Nutley, New Jersey, where I was working.
And I looked at the snow, and I listened to California Dreaming, looked at the snow, and I listened to California Dreaming.
I got out of the phone booth, went home, packed up, and left.
It is indeed coming up at a moment, is an incredible man, Hal Lindsay.
Hal Lindsay.
He's got an endless number of books out.
Facing the Millennial Midnight, Apocalypse Code, Amazing Grace, Planet Earth, the final chapter.
Blood Moon, Planet Earth, 2000 AD, Will Mankind Survive the Final Battle.
There's a New World Coming, an in-depth analysis of the book of Revelation.
The Guilt Trip, the Messiah.
It just goes on and on.
He says that here's a quick synopsis of the end of history.
Changes in weather, more and more storms of violent nature, plagues, mysterious and untreatable diseases, increase in earthquakes and volcanic activity, famines, warfare and rumors of war, and perhaps what happened right here in our little town of Perrumata today.
It's a lead story in Las Vegas.
In a moment, I'll take you through it.
It unfortunately may fit right in.
Okay, as I bring Hal Lindsay on, I really want to read you, no, I'm not going to read you anything.
I'm going to give you a brief synopsis of what happened to us today here in Perump, Nevada, my little hometown of Perump, Nevada, where not much is supposed to happen.
But early this morning, as you know, my wife and I own KNYE FM, 95.1, plug, plug, plug.
And we are the voice here in Perump, the radio voice in Perump, the radio voice.
Now, a very early morning, we got a call from the school superintendent's office saying they were evacuating the high school.
And could we please make an announcement very quickly?
Well, we just screamed out of here and went down to the station and began covering this odyssey, which goes roughly as follows.
A 15-year-old juvenile here in Prompt on one of the buses that came by, got on the bus, forced the bus driver and two children off the bus with a machete,
a gigantic machete, and then promptly took the bus toward Armagosa at about speeds of about 70 miles an hour.
I mean, here's his school bus screaming along at 70 miles an hour with sheriff's deputies and all giving chase.
And as he got to Armagosa, that's across the California border, about one mile from Armagosa, Inyo County Sheriff's deputies put out spike strips and he saw them and I guess veered off into the desert, rolled the school bus, rolled that school bus, and then of course was immediately swarmed on and arrested.
However, that was only unfortunately the beginning of the story.
No reason there to evacuate a high school A, except that you see when they arrested him, they found papers in his backpack that indicated he had plans to blow up the Prump High School, to blow it up.
He had detailed plans in there, the high school, and there was a discussion of a gas bomb.
And, you know, so obviously, with recent American history in mind, the school was appropriately and promptly evacuated.
And we went to the radio station and covered this in great detail for the community.
I mean, we had sheriff's office personnel on the telephone interviewing them live on the air.
We had people from the school district live interviewing them on the air at KNYE.
And fortunately, of course, it's turned out, I guess, okay.
And they didn't find a bomb.
It may well be he did not yet have an opportunity to carry his plans through, but obviously nobody's going to take any chance like that.
It now turns out, we hear there's another individual involved who has been arrested as well, apparently another juvenile.
So there may be conspiracy involved here as well.
I mean, it's just an incredible, incredible story.
He was going to blow up the entire high school.
So that's what happened today, and we spent our morning covering all of this live for the town.
It's what I call a headshaker.
You just can't possibly understand why, and of course he is described as a quiet youngster, a good and quiet youngster otherwise, why this kind of thing begins to happen.
It's just a headshaker, one of many things that you just can't figure out why they're happening.
Well, maybe there is a reason.
Maybe there's a reason why they're happening, and maybe Hal Lindsay might know what it is.
You know, it's the kind of place you move to get away from the city and that sort of thing, which is what I brought up to an officer, Sheriff's Department here, Wade Liesky, our sheriff.
Boy, what a job they did in getting all this done right.
But thank God.
But, you know, it could have gone the other way.
I mean, why that any child would want to blow up his entire high school, kill all of his classmates and teachers?
Well, you know, something comes to mind right away.
I always see things in the light of how the ancient prophets predicted things would come together in a scenario just before the end of time as we know it.
And there is a prophecy in 2 Timothy 3 that talks about this very thing.
Well, this is something that is amazing, Martin, because, you know, some of these things have happened before in history, but the unique thing to our time is that they're all happening in concert with each other at the same time.
That's what's unusual, because, you know, a lot of people say when you go through the predicted signs of the Bible, what's going to come together at the last time, they say, well, you know, those things have happened before.
And in isolation, these things have happened before.
But what Jesus said was when you see all these things happening, recognize I'm at the door.
Let me read something about this breakdown in children in the last days.
This is from 2 Timothy chapter 3.
It says, But realize this, that in the last days, perilous times will come.
For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, without natural affection, unreconcilable, malicious, gossipers, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, and so on.
Now, one of the things thrown in the midst of all of this that seems to almost not fit is it says disobedient to parents.
And you see here basically a breakdown of society.
In other words, starting back, at least in our part of the world, starting back with Dr. Spock, there began to be a breakdown in authority in the home.
And a lot of liberalized education and so forth set in.
And what happened was a general breakdown in what had been the traditional family order of things.
And once that broke down, given a few generations, it just began to increase geometrically in breakdown.
So now we have parents that are afraid of their children.
There must be some other difference because even in quotes here, the good old days, lots of people came from broken and dysfunctional families and proceeded to be okay anyway.
These days, many fewer number coming from broken and dysfunctional families, and frankly, some coming from very good families.
There is an evil spirit about in the land that goes.
You know, the society in general is breaking down, and so even if a child comes from a relatively good home, he can be greatly influenced by the general society.
So anyway, that's a side note to what I usually think about, but definitely you can see it taking place.
Well, I keep up on this kind of news intentionally.
Here's a story.
It just got to my desk tonight.
The headline is, Mysterious Virus Causes Alarm in Greece.
Greece's health ministry on Tuesday ordered all schools and universities closed.
After all of them, through the end of the week, after more than 13 people appeared to be suffering from an unidentified virus that claimed three lives, long lines of people who feared they might be infected at hospitals and clinics, and they're really going berserk over there.
Well, as I sort of kick through your list here, weather, plagues, mysterious and untreatable diseases, we've even got new insects that are beginning to appear, predator-type insects.
Gee, earthquakes, gosh, earthquakes.
We're having lots of those.
Volcanic activity, a lot of rumbling going on right now.
Famines, warfare and rumors of war.
And then there's what happened in New York and the war in Afghanistan.
And I don't know that we're missing anything on the list here, are we?
You know, the real, what I call the most important signs that the Bible predicts will come together in concert with each other just before all of this comes to a climax.
It all starts with Israel.
It starts with that as the key.
No prophetic sign was really relevant until the dispersed people of Israel, who'd been scattered for almost 2,000 years, would come back together.
That really started the whole prophetic countdown.
So in 1948, after they had been gathering there, here's a people that had their nation destroyed.
They were driven into exile, literally into every nation there to heaven exactly as Moses predicted they would be and here they're driven all over the world and they remain virtually a nation in exile they remained a distinct people for almost 2,000 And then they suddenly, against all odds, began to return to the land from which they had been driven.
And then again, under impossible odds, they become a nation again.
Now, this has caused the whole world a great deal of problems.
It's never happened before.
It's unique.
No people has ever been driven from their country, driven from their land, scattered in that kind of dispersion.
And they weren't hospitalically treated wherever they went.
They were persecuted everywhere.
And to survive as a distinct people and then to go back and put a reclaim on their land and become a state again, this is just something unique in history.
Now, in your view, even with the best of intentions of our president and people all over the world, I mean, even some nations that have not made peace overtures are making them now.
Will all of that ultimately, predictably, inevitably fail?
There is a time coming when a great leader will rise in Rome, and he will become the leader of the European nations over there.
He will go in and he will make a kind of a peace between these two ancient peoples.
You know, the really amazing thing is that the two peoples that are warring there are from the same forefather, Abraham.
and they've been at odds with each other for 4,000 years and so the fact that they're warring with each other it's all something that's both in history and in prophecy but according to these predictions they will continue to be in a conflict until they draw the whole world into it and this leader from Rome will appear to make a permanent solution to it this will
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war will break out which will draw the whole world into it who will this individual being well he's a man that uh...
we don't i believe he's alive somewhere in the world right now i don't know who he is the antichrist the bible calls him the antichrist uh...
New York Times named Hal Lindsay the best-selling author of the decade of the 1970s.
That's serious.
At the decade, he's one of the few authors to have three books in the Times Top 10 bestseller list at the same time.
Appeared in the movie The Late Great Planet Earth starred Darson Wells.
It was one of the top-grossing movies of 1977.
He's appeared on the Today Show, Larry King, Merv, Griffin, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS.
All of them.
He has a weekly international news show called the International Intelligence Briefing on the TBN World Network.
Hal Lindsay is my guess.
Talking about disease, here's one that strikes pretty close to home, too.
This comes from the University of Phoenix online.
I've got to read about my hometown down in Arizona, I guess, huh?
More than two months after two rural Nevada residents were diagnosed with active contagious tuberculosis, dozens of people with whom they came in contact continue to receive antibiotic treatments in hopes of preventing further active cases.
And the residents of the Ni-County town in which the cases occurred are still seething because they were never notified of any sort of health problem in their midst.
The two contagious people were isolated immediately after the disease was discovered in February in Almagosa Valley.
That's a neighboring town.
Community of about 1,200 people, 75 miles north of Las Vegas.
Officials from the Nevada Division of Health and the Centers for Disease Control descended on the town to investigate the outbreak, but never shared their findings with any local residents who only learned of this sort of by the grape line.
The silence is deafening, according to Nancy Fisher, worried whether she might be at risk or were we being exposed to in March.
She wrote the Nevada Division of Health in Carson City, seeking some sort of answer.
She has yet to get any kind of reply.
We're in very, very strange times.
And with Hal Lindsay, you know, I wonder, as we discuss the inevitability of what's going on, the biblical inevitability of what's going on in the Middle East right now, I've always worried myself about this.
There's this concept of free will, and it seems in some way to clash with biblical inevitability.
In other words, we make some choices, maybe small ones, but no matter what choices we make, this is going to happen.
But there is a certain, you know, the Bible says there's a fallen nature in man, and that though man has freedom of choice, he usually drifts toward the wrong way with the choices.
And the marvel of God working with man is that he's able to redeem man and to put a new spirit in him and to give him the ability to make choices along the way that will be good for them and will be along with his will.
But the majority of the world will never come to know God that they freely choose not to.
If this is so, if all of these signs, which seem so strong right now, and they are all occurring at once, maybe you know, maybe you can tell me and everybody else, if it is the end, if it's the end of history as we know it, what's going to happen?
Well, the way it will really unfold, the event that will trigger this last great war will be a dispute over Jerusalem.
And it was predicted by the prophet Zachariah in chapter 12, verses 2 and 3 of his prophecies, where he said, I will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone to all nations.
And that because of this dispute between the returned Israelites and the surrounding nations who are all Muslim, he said because of this, all nations would eventually gather for war and that war would break out over this issue.
And he even gives the battle plan.
It talks about the fact that this leader from the extreme north of Reborn Israel will lead a confederacy of all of the surrounding nations, which are all Muslim.
So this, you go to the extreme north of Israel, there's only one nation there, it's Russia.
It says that this great northern power, Russia, would arm all of the surrounding nations with lethal weapons and then lead them in this great war where they will come down on Israel.
And then that will trigger the West to be brought in.
And they will bring a great army in there to fight and decimate the Russian-led Muslim Confederacy.
And then there will be met by another power who will come into the Middle East, which is the Asians.
It sure talks about things that sound like nuclear, because what it calls fire and brimstone, and it talks about a third of the population of the Earth being killed by fire and brimstone and by what looks like a shower of asteroids hitting the Earth.
It says that a shower of These asteroid-looking things hit the Earth, and then the atmosphere is rolled back on itself, and things begin to disintegrate.
How I'm going to ask this is probably an impertinent question.
I probably shouldn't be asking this, but I mean, what kind of God unrolls, begins mankind, and then unrolls everything, lets it all get way out of control, and then ends it in fire and brimstone.
It's just, it's hard to understand that this may be something God knew would happen.
Surely God could change this outcome or prevent this outcome, and it's hard to understand and put together one's concept with God and that happening.
Well, he made a decision to give man freedom of choice, and that was a calculated risk because man managed to, the one prohibition that was given to man, he managed to violate, and his nature was fallen.
And from that time on, God was in a dilemma because how could he bring back to himself a creature that was now fallen and unacceptable to him, impossible for him, for man on his own to ever become acceptable again.
And so God, though he wasn't obligated to do anything, chose to step out of eternity into time and become a man and take upon himself the guilt for all the human race and die under his own justice.
In other words, justice had to be paid.
He couldn't just say, well, man has sinned and we'll just sweep that under the rug.
It had to be paid.
So he managed to satisfy the demands of his own justice by dying in the place of every man.
And then he offered a free forgiveness, a free pardon to anyone who will receive it.
And so this is what's offered to man.
And yet even so, so many turn it down.
And so when it comes to the end, and there's this great war and so forth, it isn't God doing this.
But the way out is to accept the gift of pardon that Jesus Christ died in our place to give us.
And the good news, and this may sound like it's really beyond the kingdom of Nigh, the good news is God promises that when this begins to unfold, just before all of this war begins, that God is going to miraculously take out every person who has believed in him and receive that pardon.
So those who believe and receive that will not go through it.
So if one were to wake up one day and all the Christians they know are suddenly gone, and here we are left gaggling about wondering what the heck just happened, that would be a big sign to you, wouldn't it?
I would say it would be time to think about what those crazy Christians talked about and see if he couldn't get around to receiving the gift of pardon that he ought to.
There's still time, but those who delay will have to go through that horrible period.
In the meantime, man is making some rather interesting decisions.
I've got another story that just broke in front of me.
Italy doctor says three cloned pregnancies exist.
Now, while they're not doing it here in the U.S., they're saying three women in Italy, not in Italy, I guess actually not in Italy, are pregnant now with clones.
So despite all of the controversy and the discussion we've had about cloning, we proceed ahead full speed.
The doctor doing this said that two of the three pregnancies were developing in Russia and one in a, in quotes, Islamic state, and that they were six to nine weeks along.
And then in this country, in fact, around the world, I've got a story here from The Guardian, which I'd like you to react to, too.
It says 177 priests removed in 28 states suspected of molesting minors have either resigned now or been taken off duty in 28 states in the District of Columbia.
Now, I think everybody's pretty well aware of what's going on, the crisis in the Catholic Church with priests.
It talked about the fact that in the church itself, there would be a breakout of those who no longer believed in the faith and those who were counterfeit ministers and so forth, false teachers and counterfeit ministers.
And, you know, there are a lot of people who call themselves Christians that are not really Christians.
They're not born again.
They haven't experienced the spiritual birth that changes the nature.
Before he passed, I interviewed a very interesting Catholic priest, Father Malachi Martin, who said repeatedly that there was real evil within the walls of the Vatican itself.
And he said that, you know, that in that context, he said that there would be, beware that you're not deceived, for many will come in my name, saying, I represent Christ.
And he said, and they will be false teachers, and they will deceive many.
That was the first sign he gave.
Then he said that nation would rise against nation, ethnic group against ethnic group.
There would be wars and rumors of wars.
That's his way of saying hot wars and cold wars.
And he said all of this would be the beginning of the birth pangs.
And then he said there would be famines, there would be earthquakes, there would be plagues, there would be global weather pattern changes.
And he said all of these things would begin to happen in the same timeframe and increase in frequency and intensity.
And I really believe we've got it happening now.
I was just reading in Earth Week, you know, this Larsen ice shelf that broke off that you mentioned earlier.
Larson B. Yeah, but it says that within about three decades, there are some islands they believe that will almost disappear because the level of the water is raising as these icebergs melt.
You know, I didn't know that Larson B was bigger than the island of Sicily.
They actually, we live in this modern age where you can actually see satellite sort of a moving gif, and you can actually see the entire ice shelf disintegrate into the water.
He's a brilliant man, and I think you ought to listen to him.
The signs are all there, and they are quickening.
Everything's moving a little faster and faster, isn't it?
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Thank you.
Crying on the corner, we're even on ready left.
Well, I'll never begin.
You gave me a world for you all in my wild dreams.
I never thought I'd go home.
But if I could let you know, for the hardened my heart and follow my fear.
I'm gonna turn and leave you here All of my life's been waiting for rain I've been waiting for a feeling that never, ever Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
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This is Coast to Coast AM with Arfell from the Kingdom of Dai.
There are isolated famines, of course, around the world right now.
There are many hungry in the world.
But I have interviewed many climatologists here on the show And people talking about this climate change and now rapid climate change that so many scientists now believe we're entering a period of rapid climate change.
They never said that before.
You know, it's all long term.
And here we are seeing all these incredible changes within our own lifetimes.
I mean, we're seeing them unfold in front of our eyes.
Well, the first effect of these gigantic weather changes will be on agriculture.
That was the first, but that's only one part of it.
But just to give you an idea of the exponential part of it is when I was, it took from the beginning of civilization to 1850 to reach the first 1 billion in population.
From 1850 to 1930 to reach the second billion.
From 1930 to 1960, the fourth billion.
From 60 to 75, the fifth billion.
From 75 until just before 2000, over 6 billion.
So you can see that exponential effect.
But then, at just the time when we need to have more ways of feeding mouths, we see this climate change.
And also the disruption of whole populations by war, civil wars and so forth.
That's what's devastating Africa and many places like that.
And so what you have is a built-in mathematical certainty of terrible famines coming in the future.
And of course, another fact that's going to bring it in is the shortage of fresh water.
And, I mean, you will be able to see that probably crops are going to have to be grown further and further north.
And one of the things Jesus said to watch for is that as all of this was taking place, that there would be, that men's hearts would fail them for fear at the roaring of the waves of the sea.
And that, in other words, these storms that would be generated around the equatorial belt of the world coming in from the sea, the storms would be of such intensity that even people who were familiar with storms and lived in that area would drop dead from sheer terror just to see the intensity of the storms that are coming upon the world.
And when you see all of this developing the way it is, you know something's got to be up.
I mean, even if you're not, you said you're not religious.
Well, technically, I'm not either.
I'm not a, I believe in Jesus Christ.
I have accepted the gift of pardon that he purchased for me.
But, you know, I'm not a real religious man in the sense of running around with a tambourine and things like that.
But even if I weren't religious at all, even if I had no faith in this, I would see enough evidence.
There's enough things going on that are unique where something has to be different.
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And you know what I did in the late, great 20th century, I was astounded because it just kind of gathers up all the things that began to happen in the 20th century.
Like we rode into the 20th century on horseback.
We rode out on space vehicles.
When we went into the 20th century, the most deadly form of military action was a cavalry charge when we came out.
And they came in with horse-drawn cannons.
We came out with intercontinental ballistic missiles with multiple warheads.
That's right.
I mean, you know, you just begin to see how all of this has changed.
And today, with the advent of computers, they say the entire base of Western knowledge doubles every six months.
We're going to obviously invade Iraq with a massive force.
I mean, they're getting the public ready for it.
You can hear it, and you could imagine that in any massive invasion of Iraq, there will be thrown at Israel, probably Jerusalem, weapons of some sort of mass destruction.
So one of the prophecies that is unrelated to Armageddon, but is in some conflict shortly before that, is that Damascus, it's in Isaiah chapter 17, verse 1.
It says, Damascus shall become a ruinous heap, and no one will dwell in it again.
And Damascus is the longest inhabited city in the world.
It has been continuously inhabited for over 3,500 years.
And yet it talks about in the last days that something's going to happen that will so obliterate it that there'll be nothing left.
And it will be left in a condition where not even an animal will dwell in it.
Boy, that sounds like it gets hits with a nuclear weapon.
We're in an interesting situation now where Muslim fundamentalists, they don't want to make a deal with us.
They don't exactly really want us to change policies.
They really want us actually dead.
Oh, yeah.
That's hard for us to deal with.
I mean, usually you can have peace talks and compromises and do this and do that.
But in this situation, when someone just simply wants you dead, it doesn't seem like there's a lot you can do in the way of any sort of compromise and peace initiative and politics all goes down the drain.
Yeah, he didn't want to cut the whole valve off, I'm sure.
But the problem is this, and I'm sure there are some Muslims out there that don't want to go on a jihad.
But if you look at the history of Islam, the Islamic fundamentalist and the radical who's ready to pull his sword and go on a jihad to spread Islam is not the radical.
Look at, if anyone should understand the Quran, it should have been Muhammad.
What did he do?
Well, he drew the sword, gathered an army, and went out and started spreading Islam with a sword.
And that's the heart and center of it.
I mean, their goal is to bring the whole world under Islam, which means in submission to Allah.
And they feel that is their mission.
And so when you look at the fact there are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world today, and that there are more mosques in England than there are churches, you begin to get the dimension of what we're up against.
Now, when you consider that a minimum of 10% of the 1.3 billion Muslims in the world are Islamic fundamentalists, well, you know, just off the top, that's what, 130 million people that would like to see us dead.
Could you ultimately be wrong about, for example, a U.S. invasion of Iraq, a full-on invasion to topple the government in Saddam Hussein, that could bring, easily bring other countries into it.
In addition to maybe a real hot kind of war with Israel, it could bring other nations in.
Well, I think it will do that, but I think what will happen is that it will produce such a horrific effect that the world will be terrified and say, at all costs, we've got to solve this Muslim Israeli problem.
And that's when the Antichrist will step in and seemingly produce a solution to it.
And as a matter of fact, when God called Abraham and he gave him promises and covenants, you know, he set him apart because he was going to create from him a nation that would be his special representatives on earth.
And he knew, God knew, that this was going to make him a target.
And so he gave him promises of protection where he said, I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse those who curse you.
Now, God has disciplined the Jews down through history, but he reserves the right to discipline them to himself.
And when somebody else tries to take that In hand, God promises that they will pay for it in the end.
And yet, one of the mysteries of history has been this tremendous hatred toward the Jewish people.
Well, I've been studying prophecy now for 46 years.
And one of the most disturbing things to me, Art, is that as you look at the lineup of nations in the last configuration, and the Bible has ways of predicting nations that exist today.
And as I look at this, there is nothing even intimated about the United States.
Now, many other nations are definitely predicted.
But there is absolutely nothing about the United States being a significant power, even to be mentioned in the last days.
Now, that has bothered me because that means that one, we will be diminished in power to the point where we will not be a significant power.
One thing we know for sure is that the power of the West must shift to Europe in a revived Roman Empire with Rome as its capital.
And I see the, you know, I've been looking for 46 years.
I look for the United States of Europe to appear, even though they've tried it for centuries and it never worked.
You know, I guess we've rampaged our way through Afghanistan, and a lot of American people now have the feeling that, you know, it's getting safe again.
It's kind of like, you know, when the clouds are gathering static electricity just before an electric storm and a thunderbolt bursts loose, that's what I see it as right now.
I see these Islamic fundamentalists gathering power quietly, like static electricity being gathered in a cloud, a thundercloud.
And all of a sudden, without warning, there's a massive thunderbolt.
And I believe that's about the way it's going to happen.
I really do believe, first of all, in a democracy that treasures freedom like we do, it's virtually impossible to protect ourselves against a determined enemy that is willing to give his life to hit us.
And there just happens to be hundreds of thousands of people like that that are trained, dedicated, and ready to give their life to do significant damage to us.
And I think it's only a matter of time before they use a nuclear device on it.
And about the fact that they may have nuclear devices of one sort or another, dirty bombs, whatever.
It's all over the news.
Yeah.
And all of these signs, I don't know, they seem to be there.
They seem to be there in increasing amounts.
And so I guess a lot of people, you know, a lot of non-religious people can't help but look at this, as I said earlier, just pragmatic people, and, you know, sort of nervously say, oh, gee, you know, that does, that kind of sounds like what you're talking about.
maybe this is the beginning what what what is it that all also wanted to ask you about these these horsemen these horsemen of the apocalypse what sort of modern interpret Well, those are, of course, allegorical figures that are depicting something.
And then the third horseman is a sickly pale color.
And it says this one appears, I'm sorry, it's a black horse.
He appears with a scale in his hands.
And he says he heard a voice saying, for living, a quart of wheat for a denarius and three quarts of barley for a denarius.
Well, a denarius in that day was the average wage of the average worker.
So it means a day's wage would buy one quart of wheat or three quarts of barley.
And it says, do not touch the oil or the wine, which is the luxury thing.
So I believe that this one is talking about the great scarcity of food.
Once war breaks out, there will be a tremendous scarcity of food worldwide.
And then the fourth horseman is the one that's ashen or deadly, or deathly pale horse.
And it says the one that sat on that is death in Hades.
It says that he will kill a fourth of the population of the earth with sword, which means with the weaponry of war, with famine, with plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
I wrote a book called, in fact, it's relatively new.
It's a book called Vanished into Thin Air.
And this book goes into all of the different views on it.
And I go into why I believe that all Christians will suddenly and without warning be taken out of the world mysteriously just before this Antichrist is unveiled.
The difference is we don't think we've got to go out and kill people for our faith.
We don't believe that.
In other words, to say that you believe something as clearly miraculous as is required for this event to be is like saying you've lost your mind.
And the only reason I believe it, and I do not think I put my brain on the shelf, is because I look back in history and I see where God made predictions of absolutely incredible things and yet they were fulfilled literally just as he predicted them.
And without one failing.
I mean, you know, there are hundreds of fulfilled prophecies in history that were made long before they happened, and they all were literally fulfilled.
So that's why I dare to believe something as wild and crazy sounding as the rapture.
And yet, the Islamic fundamentalists, for example, believe that if they give their life as a martyr, they're going to go up and they're going to have 70 virgins and all kinds of radical views, blow themselves up and they're in a land with 70 virgins.
That's their reward.
I mean, what do you say to the non-believers, the atheists, and I have them call the show all the time, who say, look, the religions, referring to all of them, will in fact be our end, that all man's big wars have been about belief and religion.
And when you take two big buildings down in New York City and hit our Pentagon and try to hit our White House probably, there's a lot of eye-to-eye stuff, eye-for-an-eye stuff here.
It says, And then that wicked one who shall appear, whose coming is in accordance with the activity of Satan, with all power, signs, and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
For this reason, God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe the lie in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth.
So it says God is going to send a deluding influence that they will believe a lie.
And that's apparently the one that's Going to cover this Antichrist when he comes.
Well, you know, there are a lot of people in this world who are not vicious.
They're not mean, not outwardly anyway.
And yet God says that all fall short of his standard.
Once man has fallen, and he did, he went his own independent way and the relationship with God was broken.
Now once that took place, the standard has to be the character of God.
The only one who can be accepted by God is one who is as good as God is, and no one can qualify under that.
Now that's why God took the extreme measure of stepping out of eternity into time and becoming a man in the person of Jesus Christ, was so that he could take the judgment dictated by his own justice in the place of man and pay it in his place and then give to man a righteousness which was equal to his if he would only accept the gift of pardon.
Now, God has done everything he could do to furnish that for every person.
It's free.
He purchased it for them.
It's absolutely free if a person will receive it.
But if they turn it down, there's nothing else God can do.
I mean, if they've never had the opportunity to even have it offered to them, if you know, I could take you even today into villages in Japan and all over Southeast Asia, how, where it's never even been considered.
Well, God says this, that every person comes to an awareness at some point in their life, somewhere around 12, 13 years old for sure, where God himself shows that there must be one true God.
Now, if this person desires to know God, he'll move heaven and earth to get the message to them so that they will have the opportunity to receive the pardon that he purchased for them.
One last question I want to hit you with, if I can.
And this is from Alan in Las Vegas.
Good one, too.
I've had people on the air debating the Bible codes, these scholars who are claiming to find these incredible messages written in a secret code within the Bible that computers can find with mathematical probabilities and all the rest.
Well, they contend that this has always been there and that the basic message of the Bible is still all correct and that these codes simply were there sort of like a waiting ticking time bomb or maybe that's wrong.
I mean, so that you could have your whole dossier on yourself in a chip that's small enough to be under the skin.
And it could be like you go into a bank and they could have a scanner that when you're 50 feet away would already tell them everything about you and appear on the computer screen.
But I do want to say a lot of people have a phobia about all of these things.
It doesn't become something that is lethal or something that is wrong until you're required to swear allegiance to this Antichrist in order to be able to buy and sell.
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Okay, well, let me leave that out on the air, sir.
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I'm sorry, but let me just tell you what he's saying.
Okay, again, okay, he's confirming Hal Lindsay by saying definitely that the mark of the beast will be a microchip which keeps a record every time you buy or sell.
For example, when there's a worldwide famine in a Middle East war, this will cause a need to ration food and oil.
So every time you pull up to the gas tank, that chip will keep a record and you can't cheat by saying, you know, trying to lie and say, I was, this is the first time I got the food or the oil because the microchip keeps an accounting of it.
All right, so Hal, as conditions worsen, I mean, we're talking about disease, famine, certainly we can see ahead now very clearly to gas rationing again one day.
I have a question regarding the second coming and the seven-year tribulation.
My understanding of Hal's writings and of some others is that once the Antichrist signs the covenant with Israel regarding them rebuilding their temple, that in a sense starts a seven-year clock to Jesus' return.
And then I think it's Matthew 24 and some other parts of the Gospels.
Jesus says that he does not know of his second coming.
The angels do not know of when his second coming will be, that only the Father does.
And I guess to me, it seems like there's a contradiction there, and I'm just wondering what exactly I'm missing in my interpretation of that scripture.
You know, the two buildings collapse in New York, the Pentagon, and if something else of that magnitude or even worse, some sort of attack of mass destructive level were to occur here in the U.S., very quickly, even security could bring that.
You're always asking, how could you be driven to that?
Well, one more thing like 9-11 or worse, and we could be driven to that very quickly.
Very quickly.
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No matter what you believe, we began the show this way, and we'll probably wind it up this way.
No matter what you believe, the signs of the end of history are very clear.
One, change of weather, more and more storms of a very violent nature.
Well, gosh, that's going on now, isn't it?
Two, plagues, mysterious and unfeatable diseases.
Plenty of those every day.
Three, an increase in earthquakes and volcanic activity covered in full already.
Four, famines.
And five, Warfare and rumors of war.
Now, which category there do you think isn't happening?
We'll be right back with Hal Lindsay.
Well, I guess Hal Lindsay would be just the person to ask about this.
Terry on Waterloo, Ontario asks, Hal, so many Christians today are turning from the pre-tribulation rapture to begin to believe in a post-tribulation rapture.
My own studies lead me to this conclusion as well.
Well, I think that people need to study why they're doing that.
That's why I wrote this new book called Vanished.
I go into the scriptures on those things, and I believe that if you compare scripture with scripture, you find the one position that's virtually impossible is the post-tribulation rapture.
The reason is because when Christ says he comes for the believer, that every believer is snatched up to meet him and changed from mortal to immortal.
Now, if that takes place at the end of the tribulation, at the second coming, that means that every living believer will have just been taken off the earth and translated into immortality.
Then you run into trouble with Matthew chapter 25, where it says that the first thing Christ does when he returns to the earth in the second coming is he divides the believers from the unbelievers.
Well, if the rapture had just taken place, that would have already been done.
And only the believing survivors go into the new kingdom to repopulate the earth.
If the rapture had just occurred, you'd have no mortals that could bear children.
They'd all be immortals.
So that's just one of the reasons I take up in my new book, The Vanished.
And I think that the biggest problem is people do not know exactly what is taught about any of these views anymore.
Yes, I would like to discuss, there was a certain prophecy that Jesus stated that as he was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the last days of man, which is referring to as the Nephilim, the necromancy of demons into the human genome.
And I would also like to discuss the two prophets that were supposed to come towards the end.
And the Antichrist kills the two prophets, and then the prophets are resurrected by God himself.
Okay, he will confirm the covenant with many, is the way it's translated.
Actually, the word, it means to establish a kind of security.
In other words, the covenant that is mentioned in that verse is that the Antichrist is going to guarantee their security somehow.
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The whole conversation, the whole subject matter of the entire chapter is talking about the covenant that God made and is ready to re-establish, to confirm.
But what I'm saying is the sense that the Antichrist is going to give it, he'll confirm that covenant, which will Start the last seven years counting down.
But the way he will confirm it is to give the Jews the sense that he's going to guarantee their security.
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You mentioned earlier 2 Thessalonians chapter 2.
Right.
You know, in 2 Thessalonians he talks about the mystery of iniquity.
And he also refers to, on the first verse, about the gathering together of the saints unto him.
But there's two parts there.
What if it's simply as in the order that he delivers it to us, that he returns, establishes his 1,000-year reign here on earth, and then at the end of everything, the rapture occurs.
In other words, in the middle of the 70th week, in the middle of that, he is the 1,000-year reign.
And so I became a believer, and I knew that something extraordinary had happened to me because all of a sudden, after I prayed and received this gift of pardon that Jesus talked about, there was this almost instant awareness that I could understand some of the things the Bible's talking about.
And I realized I'd received the spiritual birth it talked about.
But I still had a problem with being able to believe the Bible was some sort of a supernatural book.
And it wasn't until I heard a lecture at Rice University in Houston, which was my home originally, I heard this scholar speak at Rice University, and he talked about Bible prophecy.
And I thought, man, that's extraordinary.
The scholar and he's talking about that.
And he pointed out that the only book in the world that has a system of prediction and has had a 100% accuracy in fulfillment of those predictions is the Bible.
So I started studying it, and that is what convinced me the Bible was the Word of God.
I just saw that history proved that it had to be supernatural because these prophets at different times would make these predictions about a certain event, and they would all come true.
Well, see, in other words, there's no way to, if you say that the United States is Ephraim, that's something that's allegorical.
I mean, there's no way to support that other than it's your opinion.
If you take these other prophecies, like it talks about the army from the extreme east that will come from east of the Euphrates into the Middle East, well, you know that's Asia.
Or you take the nation that is to the extreme north of Israel, you can pin down there's only one nation there.
Or the revived Roman Empire, the culture and the essential culture and people that was once Roman Empire.
Out of that would come ten nations.
Well, right away, you know that it's most likely Europe because the capital is definitely predicted to be Rome.
So, you know, those sort of things you can pin down, but to say Ephraim is the son of Joseph, who's one of the sons of Jacob.
And he had children while he was in Egypt, Manasseh and Ephraim, those two sons.
And they became a part of the inheritance of Israel.
If we were to suddenly, and this is something discussed frequently, of course, on my program, but if we were to suddenly discover that there are others in the universe, and I don't know how that would occur.
We'd get a signal, you know, or however it might occur.
But we were to be aware suddenly there were others.
How would that fit in with biblically with creation?
Would there be a problem with it all?
Would there be a moment when you would say to yourself, I don't understand how this fits in, how it can be?
Well, you know, the Bible says the secret things belong to the Lord, but those that are revealed belong to us and to our children.
Well, you know, I'm sure there are secret things out there we don't know about.
I'm sure.
And yet, you know, we don't have to go too far out into space to be aware of the fact The Bible does tell us that there are beings of enormous powers that are involved on this planet other than mankind.
And they carry an interest, and certain ones of these beings called angels that are fallen are much more lethal than anything you could imagine that might be out there in the galaxies.
Because these are beings the Bible tells us have enormous power.
I have followed Mr. Lindsay's writings and I greatly enjoy them.
I also wanted to hark back to a comment that you made earlier about the Muslim martyrs who are promised 77 virgins in heaven to defile when they get there.
And as a very fundamentalist Christian, I believe in the New and the Old Testament.
And I think the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Quran are the three books that represent the three basic or greatest faiths in the world.
However, in the Old Testament and the New Testament, our heaven is not populated with men who are being allowed to defile women who have no role other than to be defiled.
We are a faith that is equally loving and forgiving and worshipful of women as it is of men.
But in the Quran, the women are objectified.
They are treated as nothing more than a gift that the men are.
And no matter where you are in the spectrum, and I'm pretty far out of the strictly religious spectrum, way far out probably, I cannot ignore, nor will I ignore on this program, the possibility that people like Hal Lindsay are absolutely right.
When you look at the signs and you listen to the news on a daily basis, it's all coming down just the way it was written.
Something you've got to objectively observe and consider, as I am.