Russell Targ, physicist and SRI/Lockheed remote viewing pioneer, explores consciousness’s non-local reach—from CIA-funded trials (23 years) dismissed as "satanic" to Princeton’s REG experiments showing coherence before 9/11 and O.J. Simpson’s acquittal. His daughter Elizabeth’s distant healing studies (published in Western Medical Journal, Annals of Internal Medicine) reveal prayer’s measurable impact on AIDS and cardiac patients, while Targ’s own cancer reversal via psychic intervention underscores belief’s role. DSM-4’s shift away from labeling telepathy as mental illness hints at suppressed abilities, yet skepticism persists—even as trained psychics like Croisette locate missing children. Targ insists these skills aren’t spiritual but require disciplined focus, aligning with quantum physics’ "spooky connections," though mass media (e.g., MTV) remains more effective than psychic concept injection. The episode closes with Bell’s call for "white light" energy after Elizabeth’s unexpected healing report, reinforcing consciousness’s limitless potential. [Automatically generated summary]
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I think the best.
This is Coast Agency.
I felt great to be here.
Let us first look at the world news, such as it is.
It's usually not very good.
After yet another stern warning from our president, and under increasing world pressure indeed, Israel began to withdraw early Tuesday from two of the West Bank cities it occupied.
Tanks were rumbling out of two towns as troops left buildings and schools after about a week's occupation, but it is not over.
Frustrated U.N. Security Council members grilled the Israeli ambassador today on why Israel has defied repeated demands for an end to increasingly deadly attacks on Palestinian cities.
Members also reissued demands for the Israelis to immediately get out of the West Bank.
Israel's U.N. ambassador told the council that a ceasefire must precede or accompany a military pullout.
So they want the shooting and the bombing and the guys who are blowing themselves up to stop.
The Cleveland Catholic Diocese suspended nine priests today while prosecutors review past allegations they sexually abused children.
Now, oil prices surged Monday.
This is one you better pay attention to.
Oil prices surged Monday in a fresh wave of anxiety after Iraq cut off crude exports to demonstrate support for the Palestinians in their struggle with Israel.
So that's a big deal.
Iraq cuts exports of oil, and that's going.
And then at the same time, Venezuela, a labor strife there has squeezed that country's oil shipments to a trickle.
Crude prices, the futures closed at 2702.
That's up $1.03 from Friday's close.
Now, there are two rumors, and I want to be careful to put them under the category of rumors that are floating around wildly on the internet and elsewhere right now.
But they are rumors.
One is that gas prices will shortly rise to $3 per gallon.
That certainly would have a blindingly awful effect on the economy should that occur.
And the other is that because of some changing banking moves in Japan, gold may be about to make a big, sudden move.
Gold may be about to cost more.
The price of gold has been sort of, according to what a lot of people believe, artificially held low, but it may be about to get let loose.
So those are two rumors that I've heard.
And I want to be careful to say again, they are only rumors.
What I read you, though, about Iraq and Venezuela, not rumors, and the price of crude up, not a rumor there either.
Now, other news.
Once again, a small town in Massachusetts, B-I-L-L-E-R-I-C-A is the next to deal with this mysterious rash.
Similar to the ones that have broken out elsewhere.
In fact, also Dennis, Massachusetts, Cape Cod last week.
According to one woman whose son developed the rash, they need to find out what's going on.
School officials said the rash was confined to a lock middle school in that city, town, rather, where 40 to 50 kids have contracted it.
Now, this echoes, again, all around the nation.
You know, you almost have to wonder, with this many reports, even as suppressed generally as the news has been, and the news appears locally and regionally and not very much nationally, you've got to want, you know, they're jumping on this.
I mean, you just know the CDC and everybody else who could investigate the reason for this would be all over it, and yet we still don't have an answer, do we?
It is always headlined as a mysterious rash.
Remember, I broke the news last week about the first cloned baby.
The world's first cloned human embryo is the son of a rich Arab, according to claims made by Dr. Savino Antonori, the Italian fertility specialist.
That doctor said the embryo was a clone of a VIP and that he had been experimenting to produce human clones in an Islamic country.
The doctor who pledged with Zavos of the Institute of America in Lexington, Kentucky to attempt to clone a baby by the end of 2001 caused outrage last week.
And he told a scientific meeting at the United Arab Emirates that a woman patient was, in fact, eight weeks pregnant with a clone.
So, folks, there it is, the first clone.
And who did it go to?
We've had a lot of talks on this program about cloning.
And the one thing I've told you is that the ego of people with immense amounts of money would probably be the first Arab to clone.
And who do we get here?
A rich Arab cloning himself.
I told you that money and egos would be no barrier to the ethical, moral questions about cloning.
That people would want little copies of themselves, exact duplicates Of themselves, and here is the first.
Strange lights in the sky baffled Bavarians late on Saturday over the weekend as hundreds of panicked callers jammed police lines seeing an explanation, seeking an explanation for the hello phenomena.
Reports of an unsettling late-night natural light show came from all over the southern German state as well as neighboring regions.
It had nothing to do with the weather.
According to one meteorologist, I don't think green men from Mars have landed in Bavaria.
It was like a huge firework.
You could even see it through half-closed blinds.
The whole affair lasted only about three seconds.
Oh, I wonder what happened in Germany.
Could have been a meteor.
You know, they threw that in here at the bottom of the article.
Last fall, FBI profilers announced, you may recall, the person who sent deadly anthrax-lace letters to news organizations in Capitol Hill was probably a grudge-bearing sociopath, male laboratory nerd with the knowledge of the geography of Trenton, New Jersey.
But apparently a new scientific analysis sent to top government officials is suggesting the anthrax attacker may be a scientific whiz so smart that he succeeded in making a weaponized form of the bacterium more sophisticated than any previously known.
Government sources are telling Newsweek magazine that the secret new analysis shows anthrax found in a letter addressed to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy was ground to a microscopic fineness never achieved by any U.S. biological weapons experts.
The Leahy anthrax, mailed in an envelope that was recovered unopened from a Washington Post Office last November also was coated with a chemical compound unknown to experts who have worked in the field for years.
Coating matches no known anthrax samples ever recovered from biological weapons producers anywhere in the world, including Iraq and the former Soviet Union.
Wow.
The combination of the intense milling of the bacteria and the unusual coating produced an anthrax powder so fine and fluffy that individually coated anthrax spores were found in the Leahy envelope, something that U.S. bioweapons experts had never seen.
Pretty interesting, huh?
Sort of a private little word.
Robert Mallet, a physicist at the University of Connecticut, believes that he knows how to build a time machine, an actual device, according to Dr. Mallet, that could send something or someone from the future to the past or vice versa.
And he's not joking.
Unlike other physicists who have pondered the science of time travel, the 57-year-old professor has devised a machine that he believes could transport anything from an atom to a person, from one time to another.
And if any of you need this story, and I know you will, it comes from boston.com.
That's boston.com.
This is a Globe Staff article.
It's not about a time machine.
He says, quote, I'm not a nut.
I hope to have a working mock-up and start experiments this fall.
Says Mallet, who will detail his ideas about time travel at the Boston Museum of Science, quote, quote, I would think I was a crackpot too if there weren't other colleagues I knew who were working on it.
This isn't Ron Mallet's theory of matter.
It's Einstein's theory of relativity.
I'm not pulling things out of the known laws of physics, but Alan Guth, a physics professor at MIT who studied the theory of time machines, says he isn't sure it's even theoretically possible to travel through time.
As far as whether time travel is possibility, says he, definitely not within our lifetimes.
Well, what does he know?
Here we've got Dr. Ronald Mallet, who says he is constructing, he is building now a time machine that he is confident will be able to take even a person, even something biological like you and me, into the past or into the future.
Now, I need to interview Dr. Mallet, don't I?
We will go to work on that.
Mallet acknowledges sending a person through time may require more energy than physicists today know how to harness.
He sees it merely as an engineering problem.
If it's possible to use light to send a neutron through time, a feat that doesn't require as much energy as sending a human, he believes it wouldn't be long before engineers figure out a way to send a person.
And every machine you can think of from radios to VCRs to, you know, the list is endless now.
Everything, even stoves and microwaves have clocks, right?
So good 50 or 60, and I'm about halfway through my chore this year.
Why in God's name doesn't this country, some politician out there who would like to really curry the national favor of a lot of people, stop this insanity.
So some politician out there who wants to garner national favor, for God's sakes, propose something in Congress to stop this back and forth insanity with time.
I don't know if any of you feel the same way.
Obviously, I have very strong feelings about it, and I rant about it every year.
Well, remember I told you last week that I was getting an awful lot of email from people who said they are suddenly anxious and that's an understated word.
That before 9-11, they were feeling like something was coming.
And then that feeling abated for a period of time.
And now it's back big time.
I'm getting a lot of email, folks, from these people.
Here's another.
I'll read you just one.
Greetings from Kansas Art.
I'm a cop.
I've been a cop for 26 years.
I work in a large metro and suburban area.
I can generally tell if a citizen contact is going to go south before I even get out of the car, sometimes on the way.
I listen to my intuition, and I've developed the gift over years.
I'm a Christian, more first century than 21st, a Taoist, and a martial artist for over 35 years.
Last couple of days, I felt like hitting my knees and praying to God a lot.
I pray several times a day anyway, but I do feel that something bad is about to happen.
I'm just now listening to a tape of the Thursday night, Friday night show, or Friday morning show, and I'm glad to know I'm not the only one.
A couple of times over the last few years, I've awakened with an urge not to go to work that day, you know, or put off an assignment till the next day.
And as far as I know, thus far, everything has worked out for the best.
At least I'm still around.
At first now, I told myself I was merely being influenced by the situation in the Middle East.
I know bad things are happening in an area that's very important to me.
Maybe it's more of that.
And I hope that anything monstrous can be averted.
I did not get anxious, however, prior to 9-11.
So, I mean, that is a typical email, and I'm getting so many of them.
There may be some other answer to all of this.
Who knows?
Now, here is somebody with what sounds like, on the face of it, I know, an outrageous idea.
But really, it's actually something that would work.
Now, we're all worried about hijackings, correct?
Hijackings like 9-11 and others, you know, we've suffered hijackings a long time.
But you know, now with a new scare from people of Arab extraction, this idea, dear sir, here's a solution for the prevention of hijackings, at the same time, getting the airline industry back on its feet.
Since the men of the Muslim religion are not allowed to look at naked women, why not replace all of our female flight attendants with strippers?
Muslims would be afraid to get on the plane for fear of seeing a naked woman.
And of course, conversely, everybody in this country would begin to fly again, something the airlines definitely need, in hopes of seeing a naked woman.
We'd have no more hijackings, and the airline industry would have record sales.
Well, crazy, but you've got to admit, if you think about it, it might work.
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I have atomic clocks, and they all do a great job of resetting themselves, but they are by no means not even close to being a healthy percentage of the totality of the clocks that I have.
It's time to abolish this disaster, this national disaster we have twice a year called Spring Forward and Fall Back.
Go to hell with it.
I'm serious.
Somebody better come up with a really good reason why we're doing this, or I'm spearheading.
Every year I get more fed up and more fed up, and I will spearhead a drive to put a stake through its heart.
We don't need to change times.
We should all stay on the same time with the additional daylight all year long.
Whatever.
I know, you know, I know there's maybe some old farming stories, and everybody's going to have a million reasons why we did it, but I'm not buying into any of them.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
Hello.
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Hi, Art.
Hi.
Sarah, I have a theory about why Christians are getting a very bad feeling in their guts.
But if it doesn't stop soon, there's going to be a war.
And I guess that's what they're recognizing now in Washington.
I believe I tell you what I believe about the whole Middle East thing.
I think that President Bush told the Israelis, I mean, something was going to pop.
You're only going to last so long with people strapping bombs on to themselves, walking into your city's busiest areas and blowing themselves and your citizens up.
I mean, nobody is going to put up with that any more than we're going to put up with anybody crashing airplanes into our tallest buildings and the Pentagon and all of that stuff.
We're not doing that.
We're over there kicking butt in Afghanistan, and we have only butt begun.
There are more butts out there waiting.
You and I know Who we're talking about, what countries we're talking about.
It's self-defense.
And if people are killing your citizens, you have a right to self-defense now.
I think that our president told the Israelis: look, you've got X number of days, go get them, get rid of the ones that are doing the terrorism, and then withdraw.
And it may be the Israelis now are overstaying their promised time.
In other words, they're doing a bit more spring cleaning than Washington authorized.
Yeah, look, I think there is substantial possibility, and as you know, we've been talking about shadow people on this program for now a long time.
What is now a long time, right?
I think there are shadow animals, shadow people, shadow beings.
And they are at the edge of our reality.
And I believe that the reason that we generally don't see them is because they are operating at a much higher frequency than we're able to usually detect.
Now, one really great question would be, why are we now seeing more of them?
What is changing?
Most of the stories indicate they recognize when we see them.
I mean, they are startled animals or humans, these shadow beings.
They are startled when they see us.
Or correction, when they realize we see them.
And there are increasing incidences of this going on.
So something out there, really intriguing, is beginning to change, isn't it?
What do you suppose that might be?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hey, Art.
Hey.
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It's Robert with Stinging Schnauzer Dogs here.
Listen, they said the energy was the reason for daylight savings time on the news today, for whatever that's worth.
I've heard a lot of things about inversion tables.
I've never tried it.
You know, you've got a table to turn upside down.
I've never, that's one thing I've never tried.
So it puts a weight totally going the other way.
Oh, yeah, my hang gliding accident.
Oh, that was a whopper.
That really was a whopper.
And the funny part was, you know, it was part of a radio promotion and everything.
The instructor told me, nothing can go wrong.
You know, we're on this hill and nothing can go wrong.
And well, then as I lay there with my arm broken, shattered, and the hang glider on top of my arm, you know, the crossbow on top of my arm, I looked up at the instructor who was right there, and I said, I thought you said nothing could go wrong.
He said, well, right, except nobody could have accounted for this crosswind.
He never told me there could be a crosswind and then something could go wrong.
He told me that as I lay there with this numb, horrible, broken arm.
She was driving between Las Vegas and the perump side over here and ran into two solid miles of bees.
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In University of Kentucky, in a state park, the only bees in the world that make a specific type of a wax that they use for reconstruction of surgery, for burns, and for plastic surgery is in Kentucky.
As far as the clones go, I just knew, I knew, somehow I knew the first clone would be of an egotistical rich person.
And at the end of the week last week, we had the news that the first clone is now eight weeks in the cooker, right?
Then Monday, today, we find out it's going to be the clone of a rich Arab.
Hence, of course, the Italian researcher over there in the United Arab Emirates doing his thing.
So here come the clones.
Isn't it interesting that the moment we acquire a technology, I mean, this is really something that we should all think really hard about.
I'm telling you.
The moment that we acquire a technology, it doesn't matter the ethical, the moral debates.
We go ahead with it anyway, don't we?
No matter what.
Now, this means something for us in totality.
It means something for the human race.
I knew it would occur with cloning, and sure as hell, here it is.
And it's true of several other things that are sort of on the brink right now.
Technology is on the brink of a lot of very interesting things.
And the case I'm making here is that no matter what, no matter what laws they pass, no matter what they do, these various things in science are going to happen.
They're going to be tried.
And I'm telling you, this has meaning for all of us somewhere down the line because somebody is going to try something that is going to have a profound impact on all of us.
Some genetic something or another, something I probably can't even imagine right now.
Cloning, maybe.
Something like that.
They will plunge ahead no matter what.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, I was on your phone.
I can barely hear you, sir.
You're on a bad cell phone, but we'll give it a try.
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of sightings.
There are animals that were mutilated in a very specific way that were strewn across the American Southwest in Mexico, South America, all over the place, probably going back to Puerto Rico and then jumping across to South America is what it looks like.
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Okay.
Okay, that's what I was wondering.
Is it kind of like a Wolverine type-looking animal?
Well, while that is certainly possible, how do you say it like that as a definite statement?
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Well, I talked to Dr. Stanton Friedman in 1999, and I asked him, should I call you?
And because I hadn't been able to get through to you, so I talked to him.
I was able to reach him, and I talked to him, and I told him that the reason I wanted to talk to you is because the ship that was shot down in 1947, I'm sorry.
The ship that shot us down was a ship trying to stop my parents from getting here to warn Earth or the governments of this planet about the upcoming events that have everybody so nervous.
9-11 was bad, but what's getting ready to happen is even worse than that.
Now, the interesting thing about Russell Targ is that while he did all of that hard science stuff, and obviously he did highly credentialed, he's very much into, I guess, the other side.
Remote viewing.
He's a big believer in the power of prayer.
He has written any number of books, A Heart of the Mind, How to Know God Without Belief, which is interesting.
A book, Miracles of the Mind, exploring non-local consciousness and spiritual healing.
Just all kinds of things that we constantly talk about on this program.
I know that we always do this when we've talked, but it seems incredible to me that somebody who virtually invented the laser would move from such a totally hard science area of physics into metaphysics, which is basically what you've done.
Well, it's all about experience rather than belief.
When I was a graduate student at Columbia University, I was also doing magic on the stage.
And every magician has the experience from time to time that you're standing, pretending to read the mind of somebody in the audience, and you have the experience of knowing more about That person, than you should have known from the trick.
And even magicians who hate ESP will tell you in private conversations that they have had that experience.
That is, when you're standing with the lights in your eyes, you have the demand of a big audience, you can supplement your trickery by whatever kinds of ESP comes your way.
And after you do that for a number of years, you get to learn to separate out the psychic signal from your memory and imagination.
I know Melbourne Christopher would because he was a consultant for our Stanford Research Institute work.
When we started out working for the CIA, we had any number of people come to our laboratory, and one of the things that we promised all of our government sponsors is that we were not going to be deceived by visiting tricksters who had passed through our lab.
So even though I had considerable experience with magic, we wanted a well-known professional like Milvern Christopher to stand behind the curtains and make sure we weren't fooled.
So we had a lot of conversations with him about the way people will try and deceive you and the extent to which when you're doing a trick, you often get information coming to you.
For example, when I was trying to sell our first program to NASA, I had prepared a card trick just to deal with the issue, are we going to be fooled by magicians?
And what I prepared was a trick where I would cleverly force a card so he would have the experience of shuffling the deck and choosing a card.
And then I would open my little notebook and I would say, today we have the eight of clubs for George.
And he was stunned because his impression is that he had carefully shuffled the pack.
We then did it again.
He just grabbed the cards.
He said, that's a great trick.
I want to see it again.
He grabbed the cards and shuffled them.
And of course, the second time he shuffled them, I had no way to do it.
But I just got a mental picture of another card, the Eight of Diamonds.
And with lots of demures, I said, we never repeat a trick.
You have a mixture of highly intelligent, thoughtful people intermixed with a number of crazy people who have their own ideas.
We were doing outstanding work for the CIA describing distant Soviet sites, and part of the evaluation was that the photo interpreter said, we can't look at this because it's from the devil.
So even though the analysts love what we were doing, some of the people felt that it was satanic.
So even at the highest levels of the intelligence agency, you have people who have a hard time.
When we had our most successful work with Pat Price, who was our very psychic police commissioner, he was able to describe what was going on in the Soviet Union, where he described a research facility, and he did it with very great accuracy.
In fact, the accuracy was so great that we wound up having a congressional investigation of our work.
Yeah, we may have to down and get another line here at the bottom of the air, no problem.
But working for the CIA, you say they're what you would call some crazy people there.
Let's talk about that a little bit.
I mean, you know, there is a large body of belief out there, Doctor, that where the information comes from, the information that remote viewers gather, that there could be trickery involved, that in fact it could be coming from some negative entity.
Did you see the graph of the 9-11 event, where about four hours prior to the event, the thing went nuts right off the graph, and then, of course, the event itself had then trailed off afterward?
Well, Roger Nelson and Dean Radin, who've looked extensively at that data, are very convinced that it shows this kind of coherence occurring just before the event.
I think that's possibly what it shows.
The statistics are really not high enough to get me very excited about a one-time event like that.
Because although it's a significant event, if the whole world came to its feet at 8.30 in the morning, then I would expect the event on the random number generator to be around 8.30 rather than around 6 o'clock.
So the postulate is that the whole world is galvanized by a world event, and therefore all the remote random number generators will become coherent or incoherent.
There's no even talking points.
There's no ontology that says two and a half hours before the event you should see significance.
Because if you have a broad enough space in time when you're looking at the random number generators before or after or during, then you can always find something.
If there had been a big spike when the airplanes hit the towers, then I would be quite excited.
The best data I've seen like that was with the O.J. Simpson verdict, which was an experiment that Dean Radin did, where you have a pinpoint event, the whole world is holding their breath for the envelope to be opened and the verdict to be read.
In that case, you have a very large spike in the worldwide vendor number generators just as the verdict was read.
So that's the convincing thing that makes people continue to do this work.
The mind-to-mind connection or the mind-to-animal or the mind-to-body connection is a thousand times stronger than the mind-to-machine connection, which is why in all my work that I've done at SRI and afterwards, I've always been involved either in healing or medical diagnosis or describing what another person is experiencing, just because that's so much stronger.
Our empathy for another person is hugely stronger than our empathy for a machine.
I'm aware of some information which I only asked your permission to bring up, and it would seem like a good moment to do that.
I know your daughter is in a really tough situation right now, and I know you don't want to talk a whole lot about it, but let's talk enough about it so that we can give something a try here.
My daughter, Elizabeth Parg, is a psychiatrist and has been a pioneer in distant healing and distant prayer, where she has conducted many experiments at her hospital in California, where people all over the country will pray for half of her AIDS patients.
And I would be very happy if a million listeners around the country would send her the kind of healing prayers that have in the past been sent to her patients.
This is not a research experiment, but as a father and as a scientist and as a caring person, I would be confident and very hopeful if your listeners would send their flow of loving awareness with Elizabeth and send them her prayers for a speedy recovery.
I think that would be a really good thing for us to do, and I can't see any downside to it at all.
I hope everybody out there will take just a moment.
And we've done these experiments very rarely, but they work.
They absolutely, irrefutably work.
I've had experiments that I've done that are just astounding.
And so I think we ought to give it a try here and send her some nice white light or whatever healing energy the individual can manifest.
I want to talk a little bit about the nature of this force, and it is a gigantic, it's an incredible force.
And I don't understand it.
It's kind of like magic, Doctor.
And we're going to have to step around some pretty delicate areas.
You said you ran into some Christian problems when you were in the CIA, religious objection to what you were doing.
And so it might be worth a little bit of discussion between yourself and myself here about exactly what it is that we're doing.
Now, I tell you, leave it at that.
I want to think about exactly how I want to phrase this.
Headed toward the bottom of the hour.
But if you would be kind enough to send a blast of healing energy toward Elizabeth, who's in a very tough situation with a brain tumor right now, take a moment during this upcoming break and close your eyes and concentrate and send healing energy.
There's no question about it.
It works.
So for one who's done that work, I think she deserves a moment or two of healing from all of us.
Let's give it our best shot.
From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
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Man, you're listening to Dr. Russell Charg, received his B.S. in physics from Queens College, New York.
1954, graduate work in physics from Columbia University, 54 through 56, received two National Aeronautics and Space Administration Awards for inventions and contributions in lasers and laser communication inventions.
Invitations, rather, were accepted in 1983 and 4 to present demonstrations and to address the USSR Academy of Sciences on recent developments in remote viewing research.
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Once again, Dr. Tark, now on a different telephone, and we may get rid of the crackling here.
What we believe is that it's a non-local, non-energetic phenomenon.
The reason we say it's non-local is because from the research that's been published, we know that to affect the health or the physiology of a distant person, it doesn't matter how close or how far away they are.
Because these things work across the room or across the country.
So That's what you mean by a non-local phenomenon.
And we'd say it's non-energetic for the same reason is that there is energetic healing.
There are energy healers when she puts her hand near you, you can feel the blast of energy in your body.
And that's an energy healer.
That's the sort of thing that Barbara Brannon teaches and Reiki practitioners.
On the other hand, there are spiritual healers and other prayer groups who recognize that you don't have to be in the person's neighborhood at all.
In fact, if you talk to an experienced Reiki healer, they'll say, well, normally we stand next to the person, but of course the distance doesn't matter.
So that's why you would say it's a non-local effect.
One of them was the one that my daughter Elizabeth did, where she had people pray for half of her AIDS patients, and the patients who received the prayers had much better outcomes than the ones receiving no prayers.
That is, the people who were prayed for had fewer trips to the doctor, fewer opportunistic illnesses.
And that was published in the Western Medical Journal.
Another study published by William Harris had almost 1,000 cardiac patients at St. Louis University, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, and the heart patients who were prayed for had fewer interventions and fewer complications.
And the famous study by Randolph Byrd, published in the Southern Medical Journal, similarly had Catholic prayer groups praying for half of his cardiac patients.
Now, in all of these studies, all the patients wish to be in a healing group, but they never know whether or not they're being prayed for.
So it's not that people feel that they're being prayed for so they get better.
It's that the specific people whose pictures are handed out to the healers, those are the people who get better.
So the evidence is quite strong from these three studies.
In fact, a big analysis of the studies was published again in Annals of Internal Medicine by John Aston, studying all the, reporting on all the studies that have been published concerning distant healing.
And this is again in a major medical journal.
So this is a new hot topic for medicine.
And Aston's finding is that the evidence for distant prayer, distant mental influence, that phenomena is very strong data.
And working with Dr. Catra, I have seen her go into her healing state and send what she thinks of as a healing template to a distant person.
And immediately there's a change in their physiology and a change in their health.
Do you think that it makes any difference at all whether the people who do the praying believe in God and pray and channel their prayers through God or simply use the power of their mind to project?
But the Reiki healers and the energy healers and all the people who do therapeutic touch are not involved in spiritual practice.
Certainly, most of the healing we know about has been through prayer circles who follow the teachings of Jesus, who had many, many healings described in the Bible.
And he said, what I have done, you shall also do, and even greater things shall you do.
So in the biblical text, Jesus was very affirmative about not only his healing, but about our being healers as well.
I should tell you that I got a call from the hospital room where two people were awake listening to you in the dark.
Of course, Elizabeth is asleep.
And they just called to say an amazing thing happened.
They were sitting there.
They don't know how my daughter is, but the room was just filled with light at the bottom of the hour.
Jane and I got together when I was diagnosed with cancer 10 years ago.
They were getting ready to do chemotherapy, and my friend the HMO rolled me out on a gurney cart, delivered me to this healer that I knew slightly, and asked her if she would help me get ready for chemotherapy.
And Jane said, well, from what I see, I don't even think he's sick.
So you had this wonderful moment of truth between the spiritual healer looking at the oncologist and the radiologist who had just told me to get my affairs in order, called my two doctor children to help their old man get ready to die, and this healer says he may not be sick.
And of course, it's now 10 years later, and I'm fatter and sassier than ever and seem to be doing okay.
And what she says is that what they had was marks on film.
Just don't tell people you're sick.
Let's just go home.
And she taught me new behaviors like praying and getting reconnected with my support group and friends and getting exercise and visualizations and meditations and all sorts of things, eating my peas and carrots.
And six weeks later, all the films were different.
That is, the things that they were ready to operate on and do chemotherapy looked entirely different under higher resolution.
So in Miracles of Mind, we tell that whole involved story, and Jane goes on to describe what it takes to be a spiritual healer and how you might incorporate that into your life.
In the work that Elizabeth did, she had only 60 people in the study that she did, and she had highly significant results.
I can tell you something interesting comparing Elizabeth's study and my daughter's study at California Pacific Medical Center and the two other studies, in that her results were much stronger than the other two.
In my opinion, that was because she worked with only experienced healers.
The other two studies of heart patients worked with well-intentioned people but who were not necessarily experienced.
All of Elizabeth's healers had been doing healing for at least five years, which is to say, if it wasn't working for them, they wouldn't continue to do it for five years.
I can tell you that people learn to have better and better control of their psychic perception over the years.
I started with one of our Army recruits, Joe McMonagall, and I sat in the lab and we figured out together how he could do remote viewing.
And 10 years later, he has gotten more and more accurate and not lost ability, but gained ability.
So he has gotten in touch with his own mental process so that he has become one of the very most proficient remote viewers in the world after 10 years of practice.
These things are an intellectual ability where you learn to separate memory and imagination and analysis from the psychic signal.
Well, I don't know that the government has mounted an effort to use remote viewers to find bin Laden, although my guess would be they've contacted freelance remote viewers.
We spent 25 years playing psychic hide-and-go-seek, describing what it looks like where somebody is, and looked inside the Kremlin and just all over the world because there's stuff to describe.
If all you have are, for example, hiding in the subway or hiding in a cave, it would make it very tough, even if the perfect was the person with a perfect remote viewer, because there's no landmarks.
Well, I would imagine at this point, our government certainly has come to the point of frustration with regard to locating bin Laden that they have contacted some remote viewers.
Obviously, we're never going to hear about it, but I wouldn't be surprised.
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Well, I think that with regard to the first thing you said, it's sensible to say that it's the most powerful force because it's a non-local force.
That is anything that you can do that has the same force across the room or thousands of miles away is a very remarkable capability because it's independent of distance and time.
William Broad is a psychologist who believes that it's independent of time from his experiments where he had data showing that he had people breathing quietly and at a later time you could hear the tapes of their breathing and people were instructed to help people breathe faster or breathe slower on a random schedule.
And they were able to do that.
And the only way that could have occurred is if the mental process of the person on the second day actually affected the breathing of the person on the first day.
I think that was actually done by Helmut Schmidt and reported recently by William Broad called as a kind of retroactive healing.
William is very interested in this retroactive healing.
He published a paper on it in Larry Dawson's journal, Alternative Therapies, where he says that one of the things that a healer can do is heal the sick person at an earlier time to not change things presently, but to change the trajectory that the healing person is on.
They've passed through time and space and gotten to this moment, and with your healing intention or your loving prayers, you send them on a healthful trajectory, but the activity could have occurred from the present into the past.
The remote viewing, I'm, of course, more confident that I know that you can remote view into the future.
You can describe events in the future just as easily as in the present.
In fact, I would say the most interesting thing that I could communicate to you tonight is the abundance of data showing that it's no more difficult to know the future than it is to know the hidden present.
And that's why we are very confident that it's a non-local ability.
Because neither distance nor time matters in your ability to expand your awareness through both space and time.
Well, it shows that we really misapprehend the nature of the space-time that we live in.
Well, then, to me, it suggests that healers and remote viewers are dealing in some way or mixing it up in some way with the same medium, with the same pathways, the same non-locality.
There are too many parallels for it not to be true.
Yeah, the parallels, the healers, the remote viewers, and the physicists are all seeing non-local phenomenon.
The first person in the hard sciences in the Western world to talk about non-locality was Einstein, who in the 1930s wrote a paper, which is now well known with Podelsky and Rosen.
It's called the EPR paper, where Einstein said that quantum mechanics predicts that photons traveling in the opposite directions will still interact with one another if they were born together.
So if you have twin photons traveling away from each other and you collect one of the photons with a polarizer, the other photon will be affected.
And Einstein predicted that and said that doesn't make any sense because that would be a spooky connection, a distance, a telepathic connection between the photons.
Now, this photon business is not the explanation for ESP.
The photon connection occurs because we live in a non-local universe.
So it's the nature of the space-time we live in.
It's the connectivity of space-time that allows both the photon connection and the remote viewing and the distant healing.
Now, of course, the Buddhists knew this 2,500 years ago because in every page of the Buddhist teachings, you find that separation is an illusion, that in consciousness there is only one of us here.
So a premier teaching is that there's no separation, that we're all connected in consciousness.
Even my idol, Erwin Schrödinger, who was the person who perfected quantum mechanics, when he wrote about consciousness, he said consciousness is a singular of which there is no plural.
What gives the appearance of a multitude of consciousness is just an optical delusion such as living in a hall of mirrors.
I'm not sure, though, that that exactly answers the question about consciousness.
In other words, it could be, gosh, it could be a million things.
It could be genetics.
It could be genetic memory.
It could be cellular memory, cellular transference memory from the mother to the child, and it could be a lot of things.
I'm not sure that documents that the consciousness we're talking about, the individual awareness of the mass consciousness, if you will, survives death.
Now, I just read a very interesting book about brilliant children.
It's called Nature's Gambit, where you had a six-month-old who started talking, and he had prodigious memories of his previous life.
And the theory I have right now is that you don't have more discussions, more memory of the previous lives, is that the kids lose the memories before they're able to speak.
So in this case, it's very well documented with the child of a psychiatrist.
And the child had many, many memories of things that could be documented of an earlier life.
And we know about all those memories because he was talking at six months old.
So I think the reason that we don't have more evidence of survival of consciousness is because you lose your memories before you learn to speak.
Okay.
But I think that the evidence that some aspect of our personality survives, that evidence is pretty good.
On the other hand, not much survives.
So I think you shouldn't put off to next lifetime anything that you want to get accomplished.
Well, sure, but I had somebody say to me the other day, Art, the starlight that you see when you go outside, that's been going for hundreds or thousands or millions or even billions of years when you look at the deepest stars, and it just keeps on going virtually eternally.
And that you could think of your consciousness in somewhat the same way, that you could even imagine that it would stay together, continue to travel in a coherent fashion after physical death.
Now, how much lingers in somebody else in whatever way it does, that's another question, but that consciousness does continue, that you continue to be conscious after physical death in that same manner.
Well, my all-time favorite experiment Was done by the English researcher F.W. Myers that he describes in his human personality book, which I have just republished with Hampton Rhodes.
The thing that's so great about Myers' experiment is that he wanted to know if human personality survives.
He described an experiment that could only be done by a deceased person coming back and communicating with many different mediums.
And then Myers died and carried out the experiment, which puts him in a class all by himself.
After Myers died, he sent fragmentary information to the daughter of Roger Kipling in India, to a classic scholar, Mrs. Varel, in London, and to Eleanor Piper in Boston.
Each of those women recognized that it was Myers speaking to them.
They're talking about a 1905 experiment.
There's no telephone.
They would send in Myers' communications to the Society for Psychical Research in London.
There they could put three disjoint things together, and they would find that it was a little story or an epigram of the kind of things that Myers would put together because he was a classical scholar, and they could find the classical reference.
So this went on for a decade.
This is called the cross-correspondence experiments.
So Myers designed an experiment, passed away, and then carried out the experiment.
So there's very strong evidence from this that went on for a long time, well documented, that in this case, at least Myers survived to carry out the experiment he wanted to do.
I get computer messages when we're doing this program.
When we did the experiment with regard to Elizabeth an hour or so ago, and you had a report that there was a light in the room, many, many, many people are asking, what did the two see or notice?
In other words, a mainstream science, of course, is going to really try and reject most of what we're talking about tonight, perhaps to a lesser and lesser degree these days, but still, by and large, doctors scoff, scientists scoff.
If it's not totally repeatable, it's not science.
And so it is rejected.
How do we bring this, or even should we bring this, more into the mainstream?
Is the world really ready for the knowledge of this power?
Well, we know that more than half the people in America from the Gallups, more than half the people in America are having psychic experiences and reporting them.
In this case, the scientists may be the last to catch on.
But as more and more people do research in distant healing and different kinds of healing ministrations, non-local connections that work, then I think the doctors become more and more interested.
That may be because there's not been a lot of work done in that area.
Hopefully there aren't a lot of people who would do that.
Doesn't mean it can't be done, though.
And it seems to me a power that great can be wielded by the will of man in either direction.
Just a thought, maybe not.
Actually, I hope not.
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I've got a real hot button topic for Dr. Russell Tarrig, and so I'm going to give him the commercial time to think about it.
And so here it is.
One has to wonder if this is all a function of the mind, and the mind is all a function of a great non-locality.
I wonder how mind-altering drugs either do or do not affect one's abilities in this area.
I know it's a real hot button, but it's kind of one that I want to put the doctor out, but put him in that frying pan and ask.
He may not have an answer, but it's an obvious question, I think.
All right.
Back now to Dr. Tahard.
Doctor, pretty hot-button question, but I wonder if anybody has done experiments with any sort of mind-altering drugs in this whole arena, and whether it seems to change anybody's abilities in any way, dull them, or make them better, or in any way affect them?
Well, the result tends to be that when people use mind-altering drugs, they feel very psychic, but they're not actually very psychic.
Drugs can allow you to learn a lot of different things, but generally about yourself rather than about what's going on in a distant place.
Remote viewing is actually an intellectual ability where you have to separate out all of the mental noise from your memory and your imagination and what's in the room and your wishes and your experiences.
You've got to separate out all that ongoing mental activity from the very weak psychic signal.
It will not make, in my experience or in my readings, it doesn't make you more psychic, but it can definitely give you an insight as to who you are.
Houston Smith has a wonderful book called Cleansing the Doors of Perception.
Houston Smith is probably one of America's preeminent writers on religious topics.
He wrote a very famous book, Man and His Gods.
Man and His Gods has a new title that doesn't have man in it, like some of the history of world religion.
But Houston Smith has recently wrote a book called Cleansing the Doors of Perception, where he's talking about drugs as an entheogen.
That is, various kinds of drugs allow people to quiet their mind and have an experience out of space and time where they actually learn something about who they might be, what their relation to the universe, what the relationship to God is.
That is the, well, how you know God without belief is by quieting the mental chatter so that you can experience something beyond your ordinary day-to-day activity.
I mean, in the 60s, there was sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
All of those things will stop the ongoing chatter, along with meditation, listening to sublime music, having a spiritual teacher who will stop your mind and break your heart.
There are many, many different ways.
Meditation is the best known way of quieting your mind so you can experience something beyond where you normally sit.
And the goal, of course, is to discover who you are, that you are, in fact, an awareness that is different than your little ego who's worrying about the things that you're fearful of, worrying about getting stuff, getting a girlfriend, making money, paying the mortgage.
You know, somebody told me to try something, which I have been using since.
And maybe you can tell me about this.
Maybe you can tell me about what I'm doing.
I don't have the slightest idea.
But I was told when you are stressed, when you are in a difficult situation, take a moment, close your eyes, wash yourself in white light, feel it purify you, blah, blah, blah.
Go through the whole experience personally and just wash it over you.
And there is no question about it.
It works.
It actually works.
You can sit there and you can cleanse yourself of this worry and this tension.
is it a kind of self-healing anything you do to stop the chatter and connect with the quiet part of your own being will be good for your health and good for your body but here but the You can do this in 30 seconds, a minute, and even less, and just sort of wash yourself over mentally with white light and push away everything that's negative.
And the extent that you can learn to reside in that purified white light state, in the Vedas they talk about residing in love.
This is beyond romance, and it's hard to believe.
But you can reside in a loving state where you feel the flow of loving awareness through you independent of what you're doing.
This is not romantic love, but in the Christian tradition, they teach that God is love.
Now, I, of course, grew up thinking that's something that Christians say just to annoy the non-believers because nobody ever explains what God is love could be.
But as you read the mystic traditions, whether it's the Buddhists, the Hindus, the Kabbalistic Jews, the Gnostic Christians, the Sufis, all of them talk about finding a way to quiet your mind or do a meditative process that allows you to experience these oceanic connections out of your body,
out of time, make a connection with God or the universe or the extended consciousness.
And the reward for that is if you discover that that's who you are.
Doctor, when do you think that all of this information, which sounds, you know, if somebody's just listening and turned on the last 15 minutes or something, like New Age claptrap, when do you think that this information that you and I and a lot of my audience know is absolutely true and actual physics are going to meet?
It's headed, you know, you can see the two roads headed toward an intersection somewhere downline.
Well, I think that's going to happen in the next decade.
I think that the schism, the separation between science and spirituality is going to be eroded as people recognize that spirituality is a direct experience rather than somebody's story about belief.
It's the idea that God is a testable hypothesis.
That is in the meditative tradition, the Buddhist traditions, they propose that if you will find a practice, some kind of quieting, and you will do that for a few weeks, we assert that you will have the following kinds of experiences.
So you go and do that meditation, and then you come back as though you've just done a lab experiment with a lab report in your hand and report back what you experienced.
It's not about belief at all.
All of the mystics do not ask you to believe a thing.
So as a scientist, I can say that the separation between science and spirituality is no separation because the spiritually minded people are in fact having an experience.
They can describe that experience.
Now in Carl Sagan's book, The Demon Haunted World, he said, I have looked under every rock.
I've looked at UFOs and crop circles and I've looked at God and I find it all incoherent.
So you say, how could such a really smart man as Carl Sagan not be able to have the experience of God?
And my answer is that he would never stop talking.
And if you're going to have that experience, you have to actually surrender your ego, give up your story of who you think you are, and recognize that there is something outside yourself that you can experience.
But the most important thing you can use your psychic abilities, your remote viewing experiences for, is you must quiet your mind to do remote viewing.
You've got to stop the chatter to inflow information.
You've got to stop the chatter to outflow your healing intention to be a healer.
And between the inflow of the remote viewer and the outflow of the healer is a quiet place and you can learn to reside in that.
And the most important thing you can discover with these abilities is discover who you are.
And in my experience, who you are is that flow of loving awareness that's always available.
That's who we are.
And you discover that you're not a body, you're just an awareness residing in a body, and that awareness is limitless.
So that's not metaphysical claptrap, but our data for 25 years shows that your awareness is in fact limitless.
There is no known limit to what can be experienced psychically, and that's who you are.
And my job at the lab at Stanford Research Institute was to have the skeptical congressmen and government funding people and generals come and they Would want to see something psychic.
And my job as a psychic travel agent was to show them how to get in touch with the psychic part of themselves.
Is it not time to begin that again officially with funding, whether it would be the CIA or whoever it would be, I would think other perhaps than the CIA now would be prepared to lay down some heavy dollars for this?
We're having a conference of all the remote viewers in Austin, having the 30th anniversary of remote viewing, and it's open to the public, and people can find out about that at a website called RVConference.org.
My answer is that the most, in a certain sense, I was a psychic spy for the CIA and found God.
So my spiritual path came from sitting in the dark for 10 years, helping people learn to do remote viewing.
And what you discover is if you sit quietly for 10 years in the dark, that your awareness is really beyond your physical body.
It's just obvious.
It's not a belief system.
It's just something you experience and can demonstrate.
So I think that the most important thing that a person can do with these abilities is to discover who they are, rather than finding car keys, making money in the stock market, finding parking places is pretty important.
But next to parking places, if you can discover who you are, that there is something to you beyond your physical body, that is the most important thing you can do with these abilities.
The whole thread running through our book, Miracles of Mind, is how to do remote viewing, how to quiet your mind, and how to discover who in the world you might be.
Well, the first thing you discover is that you can wake up in the morning and reside in gratitude rather than in fear or resentment or judgment.
I mean, I live in Silicon Valley where a day without judgment is like a day without sunshine.
But what you can learn to do is to wake up in gratitude for your health, that you live in America.
But the principal thing that I'm grateful for is that I can wake up in contact with something beyond myself, that I can wake up in contact with God, that I can wake up and experience the feeling of love beyond space and time or romantic connections.
So the payoff for working for the CIA is that it discovered that you can wake up in that flow of loving awareness that can't be taken away from you.
I mean, Viktor Frankl discovered that in the concentration camp.
He wrote a book called Man's Search for Meaning, and what he evolved at Auschwitz was a psychology of optimism and spirituality.
And he said, the Nazis can torture me and starve me, but they can't separate me from God.
And he wrote a book that sold 10 million copies because people are tremendously inspired by what he was able to communicate.
Well, I think that there were, I guess in every war, there have been people incarcerated.
Certainly in Vietnam, that was true for very long periods of time, isolated for very long periods of time.
Inevitably, they came back with really, really interesting stories, when you pin them down, about how they turned inward and how it saved them from otherwise a situation they could not have been saved from.
He wrote a book whose name I've forgotten where he talked about being in the Gulag for a decade and came out as a totally spiritual being now living in Israel.
But he was treated horribly and came out sound in body and Mind through what he had learned.
He'd been a Russian atheist and he just learned to quiet his mind.
And although his body was in a hole, his mind was in love.
And we have that ability.
So when you say, what's the payoff for remote viewing and psychic abilities, what I think I've learned is that although you can indeed make money in the stock market using ESP, we've done that.
It can be done.
But I think that eventually what you discover is that no thing ever makes you happy.
In other words, whatever task you have at hand, once you can quiet your mind, once you can become at peace with yourself, then whatever task you have at hand becomes all the easier.
Single tasking becomes very easy.
Your concentration level goes through the roof, right?
And the easiest way to start, before you go into meditation practice or any complicated thing, if when you wake up in the morning, instead of what you normally do, if you just wake up, open your eyes, and say thank you, if you can find a way to open your day in gratitude, it just changes your entire day.
And it's shocking because we're so accustomed to worrying about all of the different things we worry about, if you just don't play that tape, just throw out that tape and open your day in gratitude, that's a very easy thing to do.
You just open your eyes and remember to do that, it will just change your whole day.
It seems the reason the masses haven't embraced remote viewing is because they've really had no context to put it in.
It's kind of alien.
And all the new technology that we have with the internet and with phones and computers, it seems like we're becoming more connected.
And do you think remote viewing is just an evolution of our need to be connected, you know, more connected?
And the future might be like a synthesis of maybe technology and psychic ability to the point where we just sit down in a machine and plug in and we start to remote view.
And it's kind of like the next step in the internet.
I'm glad you mentioned that because several of your questions, I have a website where I answer several of your questions.
You might like to look at the website, which is ESPresearch.com.
And I have a paper there called The Speed of Thought that gives a kind of scientific description about how ESP works.
But on the website, ESPresearch.com, I deal with a number of the things that you just asked me.
But to answer your question, I don't think we're becoming more psychic.
I think that probably in quieter times, we had more of an opportunity to use our ESP.
In recent times, scientists are beginning to give people permission to use the psychic ability that they've always had.
So it's becoming, I think we lost it during the so-called Enlightenment, where we began to react against mysticism that analysis and logic worked very well, and we began to feel less and less psychic.
Well, certainly as we chat with each other through the night on the Internet, it makes a kind of psychic connection.
The Internet, in a certain sense, brings us together.
On the other hand, it's a distraction as people spend a lot of time surfing.
The Internet innovator Joe Firmage is about to come out with a new web portal called Many One, which is going to have a lot of the interconnecting features that you talked about that brings groups of people together.
So Many One is going to be launched the end of April, and you might find that interesting to look for on the Internet.
But as you see, you know, if you project where the Internet is going and you project where our increasing knowledge of non-locality is going, as computers begin to get quantum on us, there's going to be a meeting out there somewhere, it seems like, and perhaps in the interface.
When we begin to hone our own consciousness, then our intuition will give us those same answers instantaneously and will not give you the 99% garbage you find on the Internet.
I really believe strongly that we can learn to develop our intuition and make better choices in our lives.
Where intuition is a combination of all of our subconsciously stored data plus what we derive non-locally.
Well, physicists have been saying that for at least 100 years.
Lord Kelvin said that at the end of the 19th century.
He said that physics is about all solved except for two little clouds.
And those two little clouds, one turned out to be relativity theory and the other turned out to be Quantum mechanics, those clouds turned out to be pretty big.
In recent years, Michio Kaku has been saying that we will soon have a complete understanding of all physics.
It will be described in an equation less than an inch large.
That's a beautiful idea, but it's a silly idea because every year as physics is about to explain what it sees, entirely new phenomena show up.
That is, in the 1980s, Stephen Hawkings, distinguished physicist, said that by the end of the century, we will explain everything we can see.
Ten years later, they discovered that the universe is accelerating in its expansion.
So everybody went back to the drawing board.
There'll never be an end to physics because the universe is limitless.
So the whole idea that there'll be an end of physics is logically incoherent.
the girdle theorem so that any system always contains things that can't be proven and in addition to that Oh, it's because they've mastered a body of knowledge and are very comfortable with what they know.
That is, they can answer all the questions that they can ask.
The remote viewing data is the strongest psychic data because that went on for 25 years.
Also, the distant mental influence that William Broad and Marilyn Schlitz does, where the intentions of one person affect the physiology of another person.
How could a scientist not be interested in the fact that my thoughts can affect his heart rate?
I wanted to ask Dr. Targ, and this is referencing the holographic universe by Michael Talbot and also some of the experiments that you've done on your program art.
And I have no idea what kind of numbers of people you're dealing with, but it's got to do with large numbers of bits of consciousness, human consciousness, creating order out of randomness and the possibility that what these numbers of people are actually doing are recreating the holograph that we call the universe and
reality.
And whether or not there is any validity or evidence.
You know, basically what I'm talking about is like the hundredth monkey concept.
Doctor, do you believe it would be possible for a very talented person to inject a concept into non-locality, into a mass consciousness, whatever you want to call it, to actually inject a concept?
And I certainly agree with you with regard to television, even radio, what we're doing here.
We're injecting.
But I guess I meant as a remote viewer might pluck information from a non-locality, could information that might be received at some less than fully conscious level be injected?
I mean, to the extent that I can visualize something here in front of me, and we've done this experiment, I can visualize something, and you will then tell me what it is.
There is no doubt that I can put out a signal and you can pick it up.
Now, of course, you're able to do that because there's only one of us here and there's no separation between us.
So the model that I am broadcasting a psychic signal from here to your studio, that's not a good model because we know that the distance doesn't matter.
But certainly I can conjure up a picture and you can describe that picture.
That's like injecting it into the society.
But you really have to be open and searching for that.
It's not likely that I'm going to be able to cause you to do something that I would not otherwise have done.
Time in physics is the distance between two events that happened at the same place.
So that if you have 42nd Street and Broadway and you look at it and then you look at it again, the distance between those two looks is said to be the time between them.
So there really is no device that measures time.
There's no paddle wheel you can put into the river of time and watch it spin.
That would be very nice.
It would, wouldn't it?
What our wristwatch does is simply record the, it counts up the ticks you have and measures the number of ticks that occur.
We call the number of ticks that occur that are equally spaced out.
We call that a measurement of time.
But all of the measurements of time we have are simply sequences that occur periodically.
Or at the beginning of the program, when you started taking calls, I'd call and calling and calling and couldn't answer, you know, didn't get any answer or anything.
And all of a sudden out of nowhere, I just had this idea, call.
And I did, and I got studio.
Amazing.
So my question for the doctor is, earlier you mentioned you said something to the effect of when physics would meet you know would meet with spirituality.
I was wondering if anybody had really taken a look at chakras and investigated how the apparently the different glands in our bodies react to the different glands in other people sending out different electromagnetic signals and how that could really be related to psychic phenomena.
Well, since the effect that one person has on another is independent of the space and time between them, we don't think it's electromagnetic.
Physics knows a certain number of things really well.
ESP is not one, but electromagnetic is one.
We really understand how electromagnetic falls off as they travel through space and time.
So that if you're doing an experiment where one person is looking at another person's video image, you can affect that person at a distance independent of that distance.
But ultimately, then, could there not be, when science meets up with a metaphysics, couldn't there suddenly be innovations that would just boggle the mind like instantaneous travel?
I mean, one can imagine all sorts of things when we begin to understand the realm.
Dr. Targ, in your remote viewing experiences, both inside and outside SRI, have you ever remote viewed aliens?
And the reason why he brings this up is because in the past, some of the guests from SRI and other remote viewers that maybe were not connected with it, when the question comes up, it's usually answered very vaguely.
So I guess my question is, have you remote viewed aliens?
Well, I will not be vague, and I will tell you, in my extensive remote viewing, I have had no contact with aliens.
Ingo Swan, on the other hand, wrote a whole book about his remote viewing of alien creatures and bases on the moon.
Ingo wrote a book called Penetrations, which he describes all sorts of alien activities.
That's his experience, and he's a prodigious remote viewer, but I have not encountered any aliens in my portion of the remote view, inside or outside SRI.
And Pat Price said, oh, yes, you visited the body storage area.
You should be very careful because they will catch you and keep you there.
But that's just a story.
But I have no reason to believe that it corresponds to any kind of external reality except that the distinguished Pat Price said, oh, yes, I've been there and you should be careful.
And I would imagine you're rather interested in the observed effect media.
Absolutely.
Okay.
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Two questions, though, Dr. Tard.
I'm wondering, have you done any research relating to either, getting back to what you were talking about, intuition before, about any somatic or psychological manifestations of not following one's intuition?
The reason I ask is because I've done a lot of writing for my graduate program here on trying to make a case to my school that a lot of what people interpret as anxiety and depression may actually be what you're talking about relating to the way their mind interacts with their consciousness and not following intuition.
Have you ever discipline in a whole part of ESP research called psi missing?
And in psi Missing, you use your ESP to determine what the right answer is and then do something different.
So there are people who are very skeptical about ESP, but have psychic abilities nonetheless.
So when you give a devoted skeptic an ESP test, he will use his ESP to determine what's right and then choose something different.
So he winds up with a significant result, but it's significantly fewer than you would expect.
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Well, then, do you think that a lot of people who actually experience anxiety are actually at some subtle level picking up on or not properly manifesting what you're talking about?
It's actually their intuition speaking to them at a level that can only come out and be manifested somatically through their body.
Well, I think that if a person is having psychic impressions because they're open to being in touch with psychic abilities, but are then repressing them because their conscious mind doesn't want to have those abilities, which is probably most people.
That could certainly be a source of anxiety.
That is to say, if your subconscious is giving you information derived psychically, but because the society doesn't give you a place to put them, then that's a crazy-making experience.
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Right.
See, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
Because what, at least with the research I've done and with some of the clients I work with, and I work mainly with adolescents and kids, is a lot of what they experience as fear and worry and doubt is actually being impressed on them by adults to not listen to what you're talking about,
not to listen to that side of them that is actually expressing itself through these manifestations in their body in the form of anxiety.
Now, the big advance in mental health is with the publish of the DSM-4, that's the diagnostic and statistical manual.
Just because you're having psychic experiences is no longer evidence of mental illness.
It's a big advance in the recent DSM manual.
It used to be in the DSM-3, if you told your doctor that you sometimes can read people's minds, that's good enough to get you put away for a 72-hour hold.
But right now, you have to manifest some other weird behavior other than just occasional telepathy.
It is good news, but it also suggests, for example, that some percentage, you might want to put a number on it, I wouldn't, of people who are locked up in mental hospitals really ought not be there.
In this society, if you are a profoundly psychic person and you live in a society that says you shouldn't be doing that because it doesn't exist, that's enough to drive you crazy.
And I was wondering about remote viewing, how that helps in finding people that have been kidnapped or missing children, what the success rate would be.
A team of people can often work with a map, however, and through a combination of dowsing and remote viewing and intuition, mark the map and find out where it is.
I think people who grow up in a community where having psychic abilities is discouraged or a sign of craziness will not develop their psychic abilities.
Yeah, we've got links on the website to your books at Amazon, of course.
You know, if little Johnny has an invisible playmate or starts talking about something that doesn't seem to make sense to us, we discourage little Johnny.
We say, don't make things up, Johnny.
That's not real.
We just begin drilling this out of them at a very early age.
When I say them, I mean almost all young people, right?
But the good news is you can develop the ability, because I've done successful remote viewing with Army generals, cabinet officials, government scientists.
With the demand of a remote viewing teacher, and if you wish to unlearn it, if you wish to get in touch with a part of yourself that's psychic, then you can do it.