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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from March 25th, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest.
		I did you all.
		Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in all 24 time zones covered by this program, which is Coast to Coast AM.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Glad to be here, beginning a brand new week.
		In a moment, we're going to have a guest from a town even smaller than the little town of Perump that I live in.
		A place called Searchlight, Nevada.
		And he is none other than Assistant Democratic Leader in the Senate.
		He's Senator Harry Reid.
		Coming right up.
unidentified		right where you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, Senator Harry Reid actually does come from a smaller town than I do, Searchlight, Nevada.
		From humble beginnings in the tiny town of Searchlight to the second highest ranking Democrat in the U.S. Senate, Harry Reid has distinguished himself as a fighter for Nevadans and all American families in the corridors of power in Washington, D.C. Recognizing his trajectory in public service.
		The Las Vegas Sun said that Reed, quote, has gone from underdog to the Senate's top dog, end quote.
		Parade magazine, the nation's largest weekly, identified Senator Reed as one of a handful of leaders in Washington who possesses, quote, integrity and guts, end quote.
		Nevadans first elected him to the Senate in 1986, and he has developed a reputation as a consensus builder and a very, very accomplished legislator.
		He is my senator in Washington.
		And here's something, just a partial statement.
		I won't read it all because really he can tell you about it, but this was a statement by Senator Reed Friday, February 15th.
		Quote, today President Bush has betrayed our trust and endangered the American public by deciding to ship 77,000 tons of nuclear waste across the entire country and store it at Yucca Mountain, Nevada.
		As a candidate for president, George W. Bush declared, quote, I believe sound science, not politics, must prevail in Washington, must prevail in the designation of any high-level nuclear waste repository and Washington as well.
		As president, I would not sign legislation that would send nuclear waste to any proposed site unless it's been deemed scientifically safe.
		End quote.
		He said this while campaigning in Nevada in May of 2000.
		You know, he was here in Nevada, said that.
		Didn't ask us to read his lips, but asked us to believe him.
		Nevadans did.
		George W. Bush would not be president without having received Nevada's votes in the Electoral College.
		You remember that debacle of an election that we had?
		Well, without Nevada, it would not have been President Bush.
		And without that promise, I doubt that he would have had Nevada here from, I'm not sure exactly where.
		Maybe at home in Searchlight is Senator Harry Reid.
		Senator?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am in Searchlight.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		I have a home there, I should say, and that's where I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At home, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as you well know, your little town is actually smaller than mine.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Yes, a lot smaller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Senator, take it from there.
		I mean, I certainly didn't read your entire statement, but I've got a million questions.
		I mean, how angry are you about what has happened here?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just feel that if we go back and look at the election, George Bush came to Nevada once.
		He came to Lake Tahoe.
		He wouldn't take questions from the press because at that time he was afraid of answering questions regarding nuclear waste because his position had always been contrary to Nevada's interests.
		But as the election got closer and closer and he felt Nevada's four electoral votes may mean something, and at that time Gore was ahead in the election, he issued a number of statements through other people, through Vice President Cheney, through Governor Gwynn and others, saying that he would not allow nuclear waste to come to Nevada except if there were good science.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well that's the obvious next question.
		How is the science on this?
		What do you know?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Well from the time that he made that statement till today, this science has been turned on its head.
		For example, the General Accounting Office, which is the watchdog of Congress, certainly no one can ever accuse them of being anything but unbiased.
		They said that it was not ready to have a recommendation made because as we speak, there's 292 scientific investigations that the DOE is waiting for.
		In addition to that, the Nuclear Waste Technical Review Board, which is entity set up to review nuclear waste, again, independent.
		This one is led by a former dean of the Yale School of Forestry.
		He's now president of Carnegie Mellon in Pennsylvania, one of the finest schools in America.
		He and his group said the science at Yucca Mountain is poor.
		We know that there's a big law firm that was giving legal advice to the Department of Energy, and their own Inspector General found it was a conflict of interest because that law firm was also representing the Nuclear Energy Institute at the same time was giving advice to the Department of Energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, great.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		So President Bush simply should not have done this.
		We learned in Time Magazine that came out today that we're trying to get rid of soft money, corporate money.
		And so Time Magazine has gone into a review as to what money President Bush took in soft money.
		And $25,000 we know that he took from the Nuclear Energy Institute, the same group of people that's trying to put nuclear waste in Nevada.
		So he had plenty of information not to do what he did, just withhold what he was doing until he had some evidence to show it was sound science.
		He didn't wait to do that.
		I think it was unfair.
		I think he misled not only the people of Nevada, but the American people.
		I'll stop by just saying this.
		The number one issue in America today with every environmental group.
		Now, on any issue, you usually get some environmental groups that don't always agree one way or the other.
		But here, they all agree that transportation of nuclear waste cannot be done safely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are the options?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What else could be done besides sending it out here to us?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Let me say two things.
		First of all, these nuclear utilities, which have spent in the last three years, $30 million lobbying Congress, giving campaign contributions, flying people to Las Vegas to take them up to Yucca Mountain for two hours and put them up here for three or four days.
		What we have found is that they say, well, we have to have it in one spot, so bring it to Nevada.
		Well, that's so ridiculous.
		Of the approximately 110 generating facilities we have in America today, you're never going to get rid of the nuclear waste because they continue generating it.
		So to say there's only going to be one spot is simply illogical.
		What do you do with it?
		Leave it where it is.
		That's what they're doing in various places around America today.
		Calvert Hills outside Boston.
		They're putting it in what they call dry cast storage containers.
		The scientists say it would be safe there for 100 years.
		It's cheap.
		It would be easier to secure it there than trying to haul it.
		Each one of these containers would weigh 135 tons.
		It would take 100,000 truckloads, 20,000 train loads.
		That's 120,000 targets of opportunity for terrorists.
		So leave it where it is.
		It would be safe.
		It would be secure.
		And you wouldn't have to worry about transporting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that is a solution for at least the next 100 years.
		And of course, we're always looking to technology to save our butts somehow.
		So maybe by then we'd figure something out.
		Is that the idea?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		That's absolutely right.
		We've made progress.
		Remember, this act that they're trying to put the stuff in Nevada based upon is 20 years old.
		A lot of things have happened in that 20 years.
		The only thing that hasn't happened is the Department of Energy, the bureaucrats down in the bowels of the Department of Energy, there may be administrations change, but the bureaucrats don't.
		And they have been pellmell toward fulfilling that 1982 act, which by now is antiquated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, let's try this angle, Senator.
		You know, obviously a lot of people listening all over the country are saying to themselves, ah, well, screw Nevada, just like the bill said.
		Maybe people should understand across the country with regard to this issue how it might be even more unsafe for them than it would be for Nevadans.
		In other words, the getting of it, the transportation of it, is the risky part, or at least as risky as getting it here, isn't it?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		I think it's more risky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		More risky.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		And I believe that, especially since September 11th, we've got to be very careful.
		We have a Congressman Ed Markey, who's a longtime member of Congress today, spoke out saying the nuclear facilities, they don't even check when someone goes to work there if they're a terrorist.
		They let them work there for 30 days while they're running the test to find out if they're qualified to work there.
		And, you know, they're trying to ship this.
		One of the proposals is to ship from some of the reactors in the northern part of New York, shipping them down the river, Hudson River.
		These things are just, they do not have a plan for transportation, so you are absolutely right on target.
		It would be so, so dangerous to ship it.
		And this is a problem that would affect 43 states.
		It'll go through 43 different states.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy mackerel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		43 states.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		And there will be about 75 million people within a stone's throw of this.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		This will travel by the schoolyards, people's businesses, and of course their homes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much additional facility is there for storage left to cover the next hundred years?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it sufficient if it stayed where it was?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		What they would do is take them out of the cooling ponds, as I said at Calvert Hills, what they're doing there, take them out of the cooling ponds, put them in dry cast storage containers, which is on-site storage.
		And certainly, we've already spent at Yucca Mountain $8 billion.
		And it's estimated that by the time that's finished, there would be upwards of $80 billion, some say $100 billion, whereas you can store them on-site for an average of maybe $10 or $15 million per site.
		Think of the savings of that to the American people and the safety factor involved.
		I mean, realistically, you're not going to be able to ship 135-ton casks all over America.
		People aren't going to allow that to happen.
		We have learned in years past that any time the federal government starts talking about you're okay with things nuclear, you go back to the early part of last century where they had these over-the-counter drugs that people used for arthritis and toothaches and stuff.
		It rotted out people's bones and killed some.
		We know that x-rays, they said that was safe.
		My father-in-law died as 53 years old from leukemia as a result of having worked as an x-ray technician as a young man.
		We know the above-ground nuclear tests here in Nevada were extremely dangerous, made lots of people sick and killed people.
		So when the federal government comes to us and said, don't worry, don't worry, everything is going to be just fine.
		We're going to haul this stuff and nobody has to worry about a thing.
		We're dealing with the most poisonous substance known to man, plutonium, and you can't haul it safely, especially with terrorists waiting around every corner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how long will this stuff have to be safely stored?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		10,000 years, the way they have it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		10,000 years.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		10,000 years.
		That's why leaving it where it is and letting the scientists work on it.
		I mean, we have a number of very interesting proposals.
		Senator Menici, a Republican from the state of New Mexico, and I do work together on the Energy and Water Subcommittee and appropriations.
		We appropriate $22 billion a year every year.
		Some of that goes to a lot of research at the labs.
		New Mexico has two labs.
		California has one.
		There are a number of other ones.
		And we think there's some really interesting things that can be done.
		We had a great program at Clench River in Tennessee during the 70s and early 80s that was knocked out because they were afraid plutonium would get in the hands of the Soviets.
		Had we stayed on that program, we wouldn't need any Nevada test site.
		I mean, I'm sorry, Yucca Mountain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yucca Mountain, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, where are we realistically, politically, is it all over or what are the options that are ahead of us, if any?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not all over.
		The recommendation the president started a time running, the governor of Nevada now has till about the middle of April to veto this.
		He will do that probably on early April.
		It will come to Congress.
		Then Congress has 90 days to act on it.
		Both houses of Congress have to override Gwynn's veto, Governor Gwynn's veto.
		The House of Representatives is a lost cause.
		That will happen automatically.
		But it's not going to happen automatically in the Senate.
		Senator Ensign and I, he's the other senator from Nevada.
		He's a Republican.
		I'm a Democrat.
		We're going to work to try and get some more votes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you count now, how does it come out?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Well, President Clinton, when he vetoed the last time they tried to do this under a different statutory framework, we were able to get 33 Democrats and two Republicans.
		With Senator Ensign there now, who is a Republican, we are hopeful that we are going to get more.
		I'm working hard on the Democrats.
		He's working hard on the Republicans.
		And our goal is to get 51.
		That's what we need.
		We're not there yet.
		We're probably in the 37 or 38, something like that.
		But we have a lot of things to do.
		We hope to be able to change people's minds.
		The two senators from Utah certainly should try to help us because they know what it's like to have nuclear waste jammed down their throat.
		They tried to do it in the Indian reservation there.
		We have great expectations for the two senators from Vermont who hadn't voted with us before, and that's an extremely environmentally conscious state.
		We hope that there are two Democrats there, or I should say a Democrat and an independent.
		In New Hampshire, we have hopes there.
		That's turned into an extremely environmentally conscious state.
		So anyway, we're working on all kinds of things to get them in numbers up to 51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to ask this question, and it is, if it becomes at some point absolutely inevitable, irreversible, irrevocable, it's coming here, we've lost.
		There are many people out there who would ask, well, as some stupid person once said, if it's to be raped, then finally relax and enjoy it.
		Should Nevada reap benefits monetarily from, will Nevada reap benefits monetarily if it happens?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Once you start discussing price, you become a prostitute, no matter what the price may be.
		And the fact is, people who say, well, what we'll do is we won't have to pay income tax.
		These people are living in a dreamland.
		Just like New Mexico, which has low-level waste at the facility there called the Whip Facility Waste Isolation Project.
		They were promised all kinds of things.
		They've gotten nothing.
		And there's nothing to give.
		I mean, last year we had a surplus of over $4 trillion.
		We now have a deficit of zero, zip, nothing.
		Where is the money going to come from?
		Nevada is going to get nothing for this, and that's why we shouldn't get nuclear waste.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you don't even entertain that discussion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If all finally became lost, would you at that point work for Nevada to receive something for what it's going to be put through?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		I'm a realist, and my realism tells me there is nothing there.
		There's nothing to give us.
		Why in the world who would give it to us?
		I mean, the president already has told us how he feels about Nevada.
		He's got problems with education and all kinds of things.
		He's not going to give any money for Nevada.
		It just is a question without an answer that makes any sense.
		The answer is.
		Where's it going to come from?
		Are we going to take it from education?
		Are we going to take it from transportation?
		Are we going to take it from Pennsylvania?
		They'd be happy to give us their money.
		I mean, it's just, it won't work.
		So the answer is people who think we're going to get monetary gain from this are foolish.
		If that repository ever came into being, it would create less than 200 permanent jobs.
		Well, that many people quit a job every day at the MGM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's right.
		Maybe you would like to comment on some recent news of, and this is sort of unrelated, maybe, maybe it's related to the way you do what you do, responding to federal judges' orders.
		This is a lead story this hour.
		The Bush administration turned over thousands of documents today related to Vice President Dick Cheney's energy task force.
		Now, most of the papers were blanked out.
		Now, I wonder if trouble in this area in some loose way with regard to behavior relates to what's going on with the whole dump site.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Of course it does, and that is why that I've joined in the litigation that has been filed against the Vice President.
		Shouldn't we as the American people know who he met with to come up with an energy policy for this country?
		I don't think that's asking too much.
		We're asking who he met with, when he met with him, and where they met.
		We're not asking even to divulge all the information, although I think that's going to come out someday.
		And people said, well, aren't other presidents that you've worked with, haven't they, tried to keep things so you could?
		The answer is absolutely yes.
		I've worked with a lot of them.
		But once, I understand why they try to keep things close to their chest.
		But once they've been discovered, they just give this stuff up.
		But not here.
		There's something more than meets the eye here.
		I do not understand this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Senator, we all know what politics is.
		And, you know, you get down to Nevada's votes, and they became, as you pointed out, really important.
		So they came here and they told a lie.
		Have you ever been put in a position yourself in a fight for re-election where it came down to something like that?
		I mean, just having to tell somebody a bold-faced lie to get the last few votes?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can't do that.
		Now, there are times when you don't, when a person doesn't ask the right question, you know, you don't volunteer things, volunteer Things that may not be in your interest, but you never lie.
		You never hide the truth.
		You know, I think that people, Ronald Reagan, as an example, there are a lot of things I disagreed with him politically, but I always felt that he was a person who told it the way it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He did.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		And I admired him for that.
		So I don't think a person has to lie to be a successful politician.
		I mean, I can look at over my career, the people I've served with, some people who are listening to this program, which covers so much area will not remember him, but Governor Michael Callahan, who was governor of Nevada for eight years, probably the best governor Nevada has ever had.
		And he's a person who would die before he would tell a lie.
		He's one of the most honest people I've ever known.
		George Mitchell, who was majority leader of the Senate.
		Oh, yes.
		I've served with some people who set a great example, who are certainly in keeping with what I think a member of the clergy should be is for truth and veracity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Senator, I know that we're right up against a half-hour break here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you able to stay for the next segment?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		I'll be happy to.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Good, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Senator Harry Reid, our senator, my senator here in Nevada.
		And we're talking about all sorts of things, I guess, ethics in government.
		Maybe we'll even talk a little bit about soft money and whether that signature really, really will go on the bill and whether it'll be a smile or a frown as he signs.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, after 9-11, I would think you all would be real concerned about what you're hearing because with all of these shipments of all of this killing material, and it is killing material, mass killing material, all across the country from all these points to here in Nevada, there is terrible risk, terrible risk.
		Any group that can bring down two of the tallest buildings in New York City, well, you've got to ask yourself, how much trouble are they going to have with a truck?
		Once again, U.S. Senator Harry Reid.
		Senator Reed, again, with reference to where I live, I'm out here from Nevada, very close to where all this is going to be.
		And you know, we had this big earthquake not all that long ago, about 7.3 out in the desert.
		And they're always saying that this is going to be very geologically safe.
		And they're constantly, gee, we're having a lot of earthquakes on the California-Nevada border.
		It just doesn't seem that geologically safe.
		And then one other thing.
		Perump, Nevada, my little town, is growing so fast because it has this wonderful aquifer under it with all this water.
		And so we worry about that aquifer, and we worry about earthquakes and the possibility of any of that stuff getting into the groundwater.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, I have a brother that lives in Ambagosa Valley.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		He's concerned because he's closer than you are.
unidentified		Right.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		We know that from the work that's been done at the Nevada test site that there is movement of water.
		We know that from some of the work that's been done out there, which has been a lot of the work.
		So we are concerned about that, and we have to be.
		I don't know if it takes a great deal of understanding, you know, as they say you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that if you have the most poisonous substance known to man, put it in the ground and something happens.
		You talk about earthquakes.
		Yes, we have had earthquakes.
		In fact, if we could view now earthquake zones in the United States, there's only one other place in the whole United States that has more earthquakes than we do here where the test site is, the Yucca Mountain is.
		They're very close together.
		We've had 11 during the last three years, 11 earthquakes right at the Yucca Mountain.
		So I think this is kind of a well, and let me just say one other thing, Lauren.
		Originally you were going to have to have three different sites that the president would look at.
		They would characterize three sites, different rock formations.
		In 1987, they decided to get rid of Texas and Washington and just stick with Nevada.
		But the scientists have determined, the DOE scientists have determined, that it cannot be geologically placed in Yucca Mountain.
		So what they're going to do, 90% of the Yucca Mountain will be something to hold the nuclear waste.
		Well, I'm saying it won't be in the ground because the ground's not safe.
		So most people say, well, if that's the case, why do you need to do it there?
		You build a boat in the middle of New York City if you're going to put it in a case and store it away.
		So they've got all kinds of problems, but they're sticking their head in the sand like the ostrich and saying these problems don't exist.
		But the American people are not going to let this stuff travel through 43 different states.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About, gosh, I don't know, Senator, it might have been a year ago on Good Morning America, they had this incredible, incredible demonstration.
		A man took some really awful nuclear waste, put it through a process while they were actually on the air on Good Morning American, within 30 minutes had cut the amount of radiation coming from it by half.
		You wonder what happens to things like this.
		I mean, that was pretty high profile on Good Morning America.
		Do you know anything about that?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		You mean to reduce the impact of radiation?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To actually reduce, yes, radiation in this material.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		There are really some interesting things going on, and that's why I mentioned Diminich and I are going to spend some of our taxpayers' monies during the next couple years to find out about them.
		As a result of the Star Wars program, there's been a lot of work done by scientists dealing with accelerators.
		And they believe that there's no question in my mind that the scientists are right who say that we no longer have to worry about nuclear waste the way we did in the past because through the accelerators that have already been developed, you can knock out a lot of the bad things in nuclear waste within a matter of days, not 10,000 years.
		And so we're going to work on that.
		Transmutation is one of the things it's called.
		There are a number of other programs.
		There's something that a number of Russian scientists have developed.
		I met with them and my science advisor last week in Washington.
		There is a product called thorium.
		There's thorium every place.
		It's almost as available as sand on the beach.
		And they believe through using thorium, you can also get rid of a lot of the bad things and make their waste.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about power in America, Senator?
		Nuclear power plants, which already were sort of on the line of being financially viable, they really weren't all that financially viable, now face an additional expense because they're going to have to be guarded.
		The security of nuclear plants is going to have to go way up because they're obvious targets.
		So doesn't that make nuclear plants, new ones, for example, all the less viable?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		I don't think America is going to build a new nuclear plant.
		We haven't built one in almost 25 years and there are none on the drawing boards.
		The reason for that is Three Mile Island and a number of other problems, not the least of which is the nuclear waste.
		But the problem with security existed before September 11th.
		We now are focusing on it as we should.
		As I indicated earlier in your program, Ed Markey, longtime congressman from Massachusetts, is very, very concerned about what the nuclear power plants are doing when they hire people.
		They hire somebody and then run the background check, which takes 30 to 45 days.
		During that 30 to 45 days, someone could get a complete layout of the plant.
		They could be a terrorist while they're there and do some bad things.
		I have joined with Joe Lieberman and Hillary Clinton.
		And I think I shouldn't mention the other person's name because I may be wrong.
		We have a Republican working with us.
		I want to fail to mention.
		Here I don't know who it is, and I don't want to embarrass the person.
		But the four of us have called for doing something about the security force that guards all these plants.
		There should be standardized rules.
		We might want to, if we believe that it's important that there be federal rules and regulations for the employees that check your baggage, shouldn't there also be federal rules and regulations for people that are watching over the nuclear power plant?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I had a report from one of our science reporters that one truck driver was able to just drive right onto the property of a nuclear plant while there was nobody at the guard shack.
		Incredible, but true.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and for someone to say we've never had a nuclear accident, that's puppycock.
		All we know is just a matter of four months ago on the Utah-Nevada border at Wendover, they said, what's this leaking out of this truck?
		And the truck driver said, well, I'm hauling low-level nuclear waste, so that's all it can be.
		So we've had that experience.
		We had also a few months ago the tunnel outside of Baltimore that caught fire.
		As you know, that tunnel was locked up for one week.
		It almost shut down the city of Baltimore.
		There could have been a nuclear waste train in there.
		Luckily, there wasn't.
		But we cannot haul this stuff.
		I repeat.
		100,000 truckloads plus 20,000 train loads.
		It can't happen safely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's all about power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We need power, and that's why they built the nuclear plants.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Now, I didn't answer your question.
		I should do a better job of that.
		First of all, America cannot produce its way out of the problems we have.
		Out of the 100% of petroleum reserves in the world, the United States, including that that's anticipated in Alaska, we have 3% of that 100%.
		We, America, can't produce our way out of it.
		But what we can do is conserve our way out of it.
		We can really do a much better job of producing on the 3% that we do have.
		There are many things we can do.
		We have an energy bill that's on the Senate floor when we get back.
		We worked on it already 13 days.
		We can do some things there.
		We need to make sure that we increase the fuel efficiency of vehicles.
		We need to make sure that we develop.
		Nevada is the Saudi Arabia of geothermal.
		We have so much potential here.
		North Dakota and Nevada are the geothermal of wind.
		And right now we produce less than 3% of the energy in America today with renewable products.
		Not only is it just as good for producing electricity, but it saves our environment.
		That's where we have to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do we get there?
		How do we go there?
		You're right about Nevada sun and wind.
		I've got wind generators here and solar panels here, and I power my house that way, Senator, but it's very expensive.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Art, first of all, wind now has a tax credit and it can compete with anything.
		We're doing great things.
		And All through the farms in the Midwest, they're putting windmills on their farms.
		The reason they're doing it is they're able to sell that power.
		So we're doing a good job.
		Wind is competitive because we in Congress have given them a tax credit and they now can compete with natural gas and coal.
		Where we have not given them financial incentives is solar and geothermal.
		They're doing it on their own, so to speak.
		We need to also incentivize that because the cost of electricity is more than the actual cost at the power plant.
		It's what it does with people's health and what it does to the environment generally.
		And we have to get to having not less than 3% of our energy produced by renewables, but we've got to get it up to...
		I'm sorry, 2015, you'd have to have 20% of your energy produced with alternative.
		But we lost that.
		We only got 39 votes on that.
		That's too bad.
		But we are, we did defeat an effort last Thursday to eliminate all alternative energy.
		So under our new bill, we'll have 10% by that same time rather than 20%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope we can get there because it is a race.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if we lose it, some awful things are going to happen to our economy.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Well, not only to our economy, but I think also I don't think it's just an accident that almost, I shouldn't say all children, that's an exaggeration, but many, many children in America today have respiratory problems.
		Asthma is so bad now in America, and it's because of the air.
		What other reason would it be?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, on many days, you live near it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, you can drive toward Henderson or Las Vegas, and it's like many other American cities, maybe a little worse, and it's just you don't recognize the fact that there should be a blue sky up there.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Hard, when I come back to Nevada, you know, I commute from Searchlight to Vegas, and then, of course, Lightorino.
		I did want to say, and I'm not promoting any of your products, but I'm going to make a call tomorrow to this radio.
		I need a good radio out here because, you know, we depend a lot on radio and searchlights.
		So I'm glad to listen if for no other reason than to get that number for the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		Well, all right.
		I guess everybody, what can we do?
		I guess the next question is, what can everybody do across the country that's worried about what's happening?
		What can we do?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Art, I'm so glad you asked that question.
		What people can do, because I said the House of Representatives, we can't, the lobbyists, as far as this issue, they control that.
		But in the Senate, it's not the case.
		And people within the sound of our voices, if they would contact the senators in their states and simply with a letter, a phone call to their office, say do not allow nuclear waste to be transported across my state.
		Whether they're calling from Wyoming, whether they're calling from Colorado, Arizona, wherever it might be, we need help.
		We need help with senators.
		And we're very, very close to winning this issue.
		This would truly be a victory for the American people because we are underdogs.
		We are being outspent.
		The state of Nevada finally appropriated some money to allow us to try to respond a little bit.
		And the businessmen in Nevada also came up with some money so we could hire some lobbyists to help us.
		You know, I am sorry to report that we had a difficult time finding somebody because the nuclear power industry literally had hired everybody, very, very large sums of money.
		We were fortunate to finally get President Reagan's former chief of staff, Ken Duberstein, and President Clinton's chief of staff, former chief of staff, John Podesta.
		So we were able to get those.
		But we had to go through a lot of people before we could get these people to help us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's remarkable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's absolutely remarkable that they could have that much tied up.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		$30 million in three years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's unimaginable power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's some fight to have, isn't it?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
		And so this is a very good message from the Art Bell show because, you know, you're always touting the underdog.
		And here is an opportunity for people who are listening to this program tomorrow, who was the weekday, to contact their senators, wherever they might be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the best way these days to contact your senator?
		Is it sending an actual letter?
		Is it email?
		I know letters are a hard thing in Washington.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Well, letters because the Amthrax has really cut down their profitability.
		They don't work as well as they did.
		But you still send a letter.
		The best way to do it is to call a senator's office and say, would you please deliver this message to Senator Smith of Oregon or Senator Hatch of Utah or Senator Allard of Colorado?
		Tell them that we do not want them to vote to allow nuclear waste to be transported across this country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, Senator, I've always wondered about that, and so has my audience.
		How does that work?
		When you make a call like that, do you, for example, in the morning get a report on rubber?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		I get one every week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every week?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		I get a report on my mail and my phone calls.
		And so it's very important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of influence is that on you?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		I think what else can we depend on?
		You know, we're elected to use our best judgment on what we should do.
		But if people bring to our attention, for example, if when Chris gives me the mail report every week and I look at it, I say, man, look at the people calling in on nuclear waste.
		I better take a close look at that.
		So yes, it does help.
		And not only that, if there are enough calls coming in, I'll get a message before the week's out, people saying, you know, there's something that has to be done about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One last question, switching topics a little bit, the soft money thing.
		It's going to go to the president.
		The president is going to sign it.
		Would you say, with some hope in the back of his mind, that it's going to be overturned at the U.S. Supreme Court?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		I think that there are a lot of people who, with reluctance, supported this, voted for it, and certainly the president said that he doesn't like the bill very much, but he's going to sign it, are hoping that the courts will knock it out.
		I hope they get a real surprise there.
		In the early part of last century, Congress passed a law that said you could not use corporate money in federal elections.
		And that went on until about 12 years ago when the United States Supreme Court said that, well, you can't use money in federal elections, but you can give the money to state parties, and they can do without money whatever they want.
		So take, for example, the state of Nevada.
		In 1998, there was less than 2 million people in the state of Nevada.
		John Emson spent $10 million.
		Harry Reid spent $10 million.
		And there was about $3 million in independent expenditures.
		I think that's a little heavy.
		I think that's a little too much money.
		I think that those kinds of large money that come from those corporations are corrupting.
		I think that that doesn't mean everyone is corrupted, but it's corrupting.
		When people give these huge sums of money, $250,000, $100,000, $50,000, it is corrupting.
		And I think that the federal court and the Supreme Court, I hope that they recognize that.
		I think that this, you know, does free speech mean that the more money you have, the freer your speech is?
		I don't think that's the way our country was set up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but that is sometimes the way it seems like it works.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		So I would hope that this will go through the, we did do a number of things I thought were pretty good in this legislation we drafted.
		We said that if one part's knocked out, it's not all knocked out.
		So if they declare one part of it unconstitutional, one small part of it, or one big part of it, that doesn't mean it's all unconstitutional.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, so in other words, it couldn't be struck down across the board.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		No, we set it up so that unless they struck it all down, and I'm almost positive they won't do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I guess we'll all cross our fingers because that's how the power we were just talking about manifests itself, right?
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we need to get back the way when I first started running for federal office in our country where you went to an individual and said, will you help me?
		And they either said yes or no.
		And they were limited what they could give.
		Their names were published as to what money they gave, what their occupation is.
		And then pretty soon this corporate money stepped in, and there were all these faceless, nameless people who gave large sums of money to the state Democratic or Republican Party.
		And that's where all these vicious issue advocacy, that's where they came from.
		That's what the people hate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Senator, we're out of time.
		Thank you 10 million times for coming on.
		And I hope you get millions of responses to senators on the issue of the transportation of this stuff, because that's where the real danger is.
harry reid ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Art.
		I don't get to say this to the rest of the people very often, but we're proud of you in Nevada.
		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Senator.
		Take care.
		That's Senator Harry Reid, my senator here in Nevada.
		And really, in a lot of ways, you're a senator, too, because as I said at the bottom of the hour, and you think about this, if they can knock down the two biggest buildings in New York City, imagine what they can do to trucks that have potentially much more killing power transporting this crap all over the United States.
		You give that a little thought.
		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
		Coming up next, Brad Steiger.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's about to fly to Brad Steiker country, actually.
		A couple of items, just a couple of quick items for you.
		Listen to me very carefully.
		I get a lot of UFO pictures.
		You know, I'm probably the main target for people sending UFO photos, and rarely do I post any.
		We just, you know, one out of, maybe one out of a thousand or one out of two thousand.
		Not many get posted because you go and you look at them and you go, eh.
		But I've got one on the website right now that you should rush up there and see.
		Trent Locklear sends following.
		It was taken February 2nd of 2002, so it's very recent.
		He says it was taken by my neighbor during a barbecue.
		We all live in an apartment complex in Issaqua, Washington.
		Now, isn't that interesting, Issqua?
		I was at work at the time, he says, but many of the residents who witnessed it said no one knew it was there until someone shouted, look!
		Scott, my friend who took the picture, said he was the only one able to take a photograph before the craft zipped away To the north in a fast streak.
		The picture was taken with an Intel Pocket PC digital camera.
		Now, the object, to me, looks like almost one form of the classic Pleiadian craft, frankly.
		It is extremely visible, extremely clear, quite obviously behind a tree that is some great distance, giving you a size reference for the object.
		This is a classic flying saucer.
		Classic flying saucer.
		So you might want to go to my website, check that out very quickly, artbell.com under what's new.
		Just click on UFO and ISQA, Washington.
		This will blow you away.
		So for the great doubters out there and the pixel people, I guess time to go to work because this is one of the best I've seen.
		Then there's one other item, and that is, again, when you go to my website, second reason to go, one of the most amazing stories you've ever read.
		It's too long for me to read to you, but if you're at all interested in aircraft, military aircraft specifically, there is a story that'll just blow your mind entitled, Surviving Partial Ejection from an A6 aircraft.
		It's told by all the participants.
		In fact, there's video and audio in the story, and we've got a link to the website.
		So when you go to my website tonight, go to What's New.
		Then instead of going down, go up to News and Other Websites.
		And the first item you're going to see there in the next number of hours is going to be this.
		It's entitled Surviving Partial Ejection from a A6 aircraft.
		I would like to interview one of the participants in this, and I'm going to urge those who booked for me to please do that.
		Get one of the participants in this on the air with me.
		It's just blanking, unbelievable.
		All right, coming up in a moment, Brad Steiger is the author, co-author of 154 books with over 17 million copies in print.
		His titles include Mysteries of Time and Space, The Source, I remember that book, The Source, A Journey Through the Unexplained, The Werewolf Book, an encyclopedia of shape-shifting beings.
		Boy, do we have some talking to do in that area?
		And Shadow World, Spiritual Encounters That Can Change Your Life, Shadow World, great title.
		Steiger's first published articles on the unexplained appeared in 1956.
		So he has written now more than 2,000 articles with paranormal themes from 70 to 73, his weekly newspaper column.
		The Strange World of Brad Steiger was carried domestically in over 80 newspapers and overseas from Bombay to Tokyo.
		In 1977, his best-selling biography of the great silent screen lover Valentino was made into a motion picture by British director Ken Russell.
		In the same year, Brad co-scripted the documentary film Unknown Powers with Jack Collins as narrator.
		I remember that.
		A winner of Film Advisory Board's Award of Excellence for 1978.
		Giants.
		That's going to be a subject tonight, too.
		The mystery and the myth featuring research, commentary, and photographic evidence from these Tigers is set for title cast March March 29th.
		That's coming right up on the Learning Channel.
		All right, this is what?
		March 25th going into the 26th, depending on your time zone, right?
		So March 29th on the Learning Channel, Giants, the Mystery and the Myth.
		And we're going to talk a whole lot about that tonight.
		So coming up in a moment, the incredible Brad Steiger.
		All right, here from, I presume, home is the amazing Brad Steiger.
		Hi, Brad.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Art.
		I appreciate that thunderclap.
		Every time you mention my name, I feel like I'm in Young Frankenstein.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in some ways.
		Brad, on my program in the last few days, actually, and that's how current all of this is, I've been getting these remarkable, incredible stories about people who have seen...
		He and his partner saw this ball of light.
		First, a smaller ball that moved around.
		You know, they had responded to an alarm that was going off in a building.
		And a small ball moved around.
		They thought, how oddest thing they had ever seen in their life.
		And they were sitting there still conversing, waiting for the alarm to reset, which they do finally.
		And this giant ball appears with what the officer described as an almost monkey-looking, like, simian-looking being inside of it.
		And this thing was floating.
		And I read this story on the air, and then all of a sudden I started getting all these calls from people who have seen similar things that are floating, some of them with what would appear to be something or another inside them.
		There's the famous story about the ranch in Utah and what they once saw there, you know, that ranch that Bob Bigelow has.
		And, you know, they had scientists who watched a creature come out of what appeared to be sort of a hole that formed in mid-air.
		They did this with night vision equipment.
		What the hell do you suppose all this might be?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, but it's certainly, as you say, these things go in waves because I certainly, in the last month or so, have been getting these reports and people saying, what is it?
		What is it?
		I've had an encounter personally with these and had, well, one of my best-selling books is the result of an entity that came out of a greenish ball of light and Gave me the complete outline for my book, Revelation, the Divine Fire, which, you know, is book of the month and literary guild.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, you see, I hadn't heard all this.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, every time we have about 4,000 things to talk about, and I guess it's never come up before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just slammed the most current thing on you, Brad, that people have been...
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you can imagine a million things.
		You can imagine a dimensional portal of some sort.
		You can imagine time travelers.
		You can imagine, I suppose, even aliens.
		You can imagine a million different things.
		But you can't explain these things.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Art, I'm going to take you back to 1939.
		I'm going to take you back to Hollywood.
		I'm going to take you off to see the wizard.
		And when Glinda appears, every time there is that big shiny ball, right?
		You just see that ball, you see it coming closer, and then she touches blink.
		And all of a sudden, the ball is Glinda the Goodwitch.
		That's right.
		So this has obviously become an archetype in our unconscious.
		This is a means of travel.
		That's why, you know, some of us have been saying for a long time now that some of the UFOs could indeed be living beings.
		That could be the entities.
		That could be the aliens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, are you blessed with having a computer separate from your telephone there or no?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Not at the moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		But I will check it at another computer when we take a break.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, good.
		Okay, you're able to do it.
		Yeah, please do that.
		It's under what's new, the ISCOL Washington Photograph.
		It's a classic Pleiadian-type craft.
		This looks like a really genuine photo to me.
		And when you see, I just would like to get your personal reaction after you've seen it.
		So when we go to a break, by all means, do that, all right?
		Right.
		Okay, good.
		Back to these, whatever they are.
		You know, we are obviously being visited, or there's some concern about us, or, well, you know, I mean, who knows?
		Maybe we're a tourist stop or something.
		But something is here and now increasingly manifesting itself to be seen with these balls of light.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		And the credentials of the people who have been sharing these stories with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I mean, again, you know, not that we're slighting anybody.
		Neither you nor I would do that.
		But I mean, I'm hearing from highly credentialed people and they don't want their names known.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		But they're sharing this because it's part of what we do, you know, to put this information together and get it out there.
		And like you say, fascinating.
		Some see a simian type face sometimes.
		Some see a reptilian face sometimes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Others see like a hooded master type face.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		And then others just see the glowing ball itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's also correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Many see that.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So again, I think this is really interesting.
		So Friday, now this I started probably, maybe three weeks ago really getting an influx, and now you've been getting them for a week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, my program, of course, acts, you know, as kind of a lightning point.
		It's a catalyst.
		So you're going to hear about it here first, and then elsewhere.
		So we both began getting news of this at about the same time.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		About the same time.
		Yeah, about the same time.
		And here again, then, this is obviously now another cycle.
		Because these things come in cycles.
		Whatever we're talking about, it comes in a cycle.
		I've been getting a lot of reports, and this is strange, you know, here again, of a ghost in a plaid shirt, blue jeans, and like work boots showing up in bedrooms, showing up when people are hunting, they get a tap on the shoulder, here's this fellow, they see it out.
		Again, a blonde, kind of nice-looking guy, and they see him for just a flash, and he's gone.
		Now, again, that has to be some kind of symbol.
		That has to be some kind of archetype that someone, call them, I call them the other because I don't know what to call them, but the other is obviously communicating that particular image right now.
		The glowing ball, I am convinced, is a means of transportation, or maybe the entity itself as the entity really looks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, that's Terry said.
		Hold on just one sec.
		Let me read this to you.
		Here it comes.
		Art, you know, I've kicked the idea around for years about telling you my story.
		I've decided to do so only because I know you will enjoy it and maybe share it with some of your friends.
		Let me start out by saying that I spent a total of 20 years in law enforcement, 19 in Washington State, and about seven months in Alaska North Slope.
		I now work for a private industry following the September 11 attacks.
		I've seen many strange things, most of which were explainable with one major exception.
		I was a patrol sergeant with the Isqua Police Department.
		There we are, folks, Isqua up in Washington.
		At the time of this event, and I do mean an event because of the impact it had on me and the way that I looked at the supernatural.
		I can't tell you the exact day, but it was a cool evening back in 1989.
		I was supervising two other officers on this particular night.
		A call was received by our dispatcher at about 0200 hours from one of the alarm companies advising of an intrusion alarm at a store in the Gilman Village complex.
		This complex is made up of dozens of old homes, which were moved to a central location in Isqua and turned into exclusive little shops and wood walkways.
		I used to walk through this complex during my night patrols for exercise.
		That is, until this incident, I responded along with most of the patrolmen, and we checked the exterior of the building, found it to be secure.
		The alarm reset itself, which is normal.
		The other officer and myself stood in a parking lot about 50 feet away from the building, talked about various things.
		Midway through a sentence, I was stopped cold by a very intense white ball of light making its way across the outer wall of the building that we had just checked out.
		The ball was about the size of a softball and went from left to right Just under the eaves of the second-story building.
		We both looked at each other, puzzled about what we had just seen.
		The light was too bright and perfectly round for it to be from an artificial source.
		We talked about what we had observed and looked around for any possible source.
		We both shrugged it off as a small mystery and continued on with our previous conversation.
		Within approximately five minutes of the original event, a ball of light approximately three to four feet in diameter slowly moved across the bottom of the building.
		However, inside the ball was what I describe as the monkey man.
		It truly looked like the shadow of an upright monkey-like creature walking inside the ball.
		It was another five minutes before either one of us could talk.
		We never discovered the source of this amazing sight, and I'm not sure that I really wanted to.
		We did not speak about it for a number of weeks to anyone, but it did become general knowledge within the department.
		And of course, the monkey man became the source of numerous ribbing for years after.
		And he instructs me to please go ahead and read this on the air.
		His first name is Randy, and I will omit his last name.
		That's his story, Brad.
		And that set off a night of, hey, I've seen one of those two type things.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, for a minute, I thought you were reading one that I also received because it was from law enforcement.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		But in this case, what was inside was sort of the archipelago Virgin Mary image.
unidentified		Oh.
unidentified		Now, then we, you know...
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Um...
		Now, that's not to say that this fine gentleman, you know, again, but he's in law enforcement.
		Maybe this is a symbol of monkey business.
		You know, maybe that's what he expected to see.
		I mean, I think it's playing with us.
		I think it's giving us clues and showing archetypal images.
		This police officer I'm referring to was going under a lot of stress and a crisis.
		Maybe he needed to see that, you know, there's a great mother who cares for him.
		You know, that particular image.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Now, when they...
		All I see now, if someone in my field wakes up in the middle of the night and you see something in a robe moving its hands, you know, you think a lot of things.
		So again, I should have, you know, metaphysical researcher or whatever, and I should have thought it was an angel.
		I should have thought it was a guy, but what I did was say, my home is invaded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we should just back up a little bit.
		Have you awoke to actually see the creature in a ball or not?
		No.
		How did this...
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		See, first, I had two visitations in a row.
		Two nights.
		And the first night, I jumped up and I arched back to just punch this entity as hard as I could.
		But my blow was never delivered.
		I was like a balloon.
		I was, suddenly all the energy was out of me.
		And at that time, you know, I'm pumping iron every day.
		I mean, I'm in really good shape at this time of my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you took a swing at this thing?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I took a swing.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I was going to cold cock it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brant, hold on.
		Hold it right there.
		That's a great place to break.
		You have to ask yourself, if you were confronted with a being from somewhere else or somewhere else, whatever it would be, dead flat in front of you, would you rear back, clench your fist, and give it a good one?
		Or would you turn around and halt but or would you be frozen?
		I suppose any of the above reactions are possible.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a knocker little lady in the city of life?
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		We are become what we can make.
		Time, time, time Leave us to come of me While I looked around All my possibilities I was so hard to see In the ground In the ground And the
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		Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from March 25th, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we obviously go through flaps.
		We go through flaps regarding UFOs and other paranormal activity.
		All kinds of flaps.
		But what you're about to have an opportunity to hear is somebody who's dealt with this sort of thing for many years, and then finally, is not just telling a second-hand story.
		What you're about to hear is the first-hand account of Brad Steiger encountering one of the things that we're talking about.
		Whatever these are, and I don't think any of us understand what they really are.
		All I believe for sure is, whatever they are, they are here.
unidentified		Music Now, there's the thunder, and here's Brad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Brad.
		You know, rarely do we get a first-hand account like the officer gave and like you're about to give.
		I mean, you actually went through this yourself.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was obviously an experience I shall never forget.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So let's have it in detail.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, to start in detail, and this is a two-part story now.
		I'll move it quickly.
		The first night I'm awakened.
		Now, remember, at this time, Art, I'm probably 34 years old.
		I've got four babies sleeping in the house.
		And my wife and I, my late wife, and I are in bed sleeping.
		And I wake up and here is this tall, hooded being moving his hands in a circular motion over the two of us.
		It's as if, you know, and so I did what I think most men would do.
		You know, you're protecting your family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You protected, yeah, you reacted.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I reacted.
		I got up, and like I say, at that time, I was in great physical shape, pumping iron, jogging every day, the whole thing.
		I could have done someone a lot of damage if I'd landed a good square blow.
		But I just, it was like a balloon.
		I'll never forget it.
		I just started to crumble, and then I started to cry.
		Because, you know, what is more humiliating for a strong man than to be powerless?
		Powerless.
unidentified		I couldn't move.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think that being was doing?
		Waving, you said moving its hand in a circular motion above the two of you.
		Any guesses about that?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Waking me up.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Waking me up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Waking you up.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Now, and this, this again I shall never forget.
		My wife remained asleep, but it was her mouth that moved and a voice came from her, a kind of metallic voice that said, don't be afraid.
		We won't hurt you.
		Now, I've got the kind of mind, like yours are, I don't shut up when I've got a chance to question or something like this is happening.
		I'm going to be there and watching it.
		I don't remember another thing until morning.
		But I had all these ideas.
		I had all these thoughts in my head about this book I'm supposed to write.
		So now the next night, again, I'm going through this and I asked my wife, didn't know, she wasn't aware of anything.
		And I said, well, this incredible thing happened.
		And gee, I mean, what was it?
		Now, the next night, I'm lying in bed.
		I'm not asleep yet.
		And I hear what I can only describe as like a metallic bumblebee, a metallic kind of, and it's coming up the stairs.
		And it's about the size of a soccer ball.
		It's a green glowing ball of light.
		There we go.
		And it turns, it stops in the hallway, moves into the bedroom, and then zinc, here is the tall, hooded being again.
		So I say, now tonight, tonight, you know, there is no way you're putting the whammy on me.
		You know, I'm going to have some answers here.
		And of course, just like that, once again, because I jumped up again, I was ready to grab him and shake him.
		And just every bit of energy and again, I collapsed.
		But when I awakened the next morning, I had the complete outline, who I was supposed to interview, who I was supposed to talk to, what outline I was supposed to have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what was the book supposed to be about?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		The contemporary revelatory experience.
		How they or whomever, how a higher intelligence is trying to convey certain messages to it.
		I say it's been one of my best-selling books.
		It's the book that wherever I go, even today, it came out in 72 or 3, people still come up and say it changed their life.
		It gave them comfort.
		It gave them inspiration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, give me some of it.
		I mean, what exactly, what are the motivations for not appearing, you know, in the famous White House lawn, on the famous White House South Lawn or whatever, but conveying the information rather in the manner in which it is apparently conveyed?
		You know, so why?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		This has a snapper ending to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		It isn't over yet.
		All right.
		Before, and this was Prentice Hall, big hardcover Prentice Hall book, I interviewed probably every leading theologian, psychologist, psychiatrist in the country for this book.
		Got great stuff.
		Before I had a copy, I received a letter from a musician in Chicago Who had a copy of the book put into his mailbox with no return address, just in there?
		He has a copy of the book.
		Now, a year before he writes to me, he had the experience with the entity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		And he was told to write this book, but he's a musician.
		He didn't know how to do it.
		What I did, on that second morning when I awakened, I called my editor, Prendis Hall, and I said, Tam, I have a fabulous idea for a book, The Contemporary Revelatory Experience.
		And he went, wow, let's do it.
		The musician, you know, if he heard music, spiritual music, he could have put it down.
		So, art, I think the answer is many, many people are contacted to get certain ideas and concepts out.
		And they already care.
		They didn't care if I did it.
		And how many others?
		How many others had that same experience?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he was given a pre-print courtesy copy because they knew he couldn't do it.
unidentified		Yeah.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I mean, think of that.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I mean, think of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, all right, what would you say are the main components of the messages that are so urgently being dispersed through people like yourself and others who have had these experiences, so many of them?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, that's now that it's, what, you know, 30-some years later, I see that now the messages are, you know, continually repeated.
		And I guess I put it into my style and touched people at that time.
		I see others coming out with similar books.
		Now it's basically that we are more than physical beings, that we have within us more powers, more abilities than we believe we are able to use, we can extend ourselves to become more completely functioning human beings, and that this message is continually broadcast and repeated.
		And since that time, I've encountered so many people.
		I mean, people in the big listening bowls who get like Kalil Gabron and the Bhagavad Gita broadcast from what goes into the newspaper next day, calling it an erratic meteor, but this ball of light that keeps going back and forth, back and forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but other than my program, Brad, some other programs perhaps like it, the work you do, and some others do.
		I mean, we're still a very tiny minority.
		And so the larger picture is that if that's the message, it's not being received.
		And or if it is being received, it's not being acted on.
		In other words, the world is going straight down a technological, perhaps even suicidal path at a million miles an hour.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		And maybe it's supposed to.
		But what I want to say, to amend what you just said, remember, this book came out in 72.
		Where were you?
		Where was your program in 72?
		Nothing like it was on it.
		See?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look at the, from my perspective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I mean, all those years of essentially the same message, and we're still a tiny minority, is my point.
		And technologically, zoom away we go, Element 92.
		I just finished talking to Senator Harry Reid before I had you on about the storage and transportation.
		Even more scary part, the transportation, all this nuclear from.
		So we're racing down this technological, perhaps suicidal path and the message, you know, that we are more than we are and probably part of something much bigger.
		And I know that it's getting through.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		It's much more than that, and it is getting through.
		I say, from my perspective, it has grown enormously.
		And I remain a cockeyed optimist.
		Now, even metaphysical writers get the blues.
		And sometimes I say, you know, exactly what you're saying.
		But then I look at the broader picture and I look, we couldn't even have been having this conversation over the radio when I wrote that book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure not.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		And I mean, look how far we've come in that.
		People are out there.
		You get the emails.
		I get the emails.
		I get the letters.
		You get the letters.
		It is making a difference.
		But, you know, I've really stopped.
		I said to lecture audiences 10 years ago that I have resigned as caretaker of the universe.
		And, you know, I see now that it's where each of us, we each have to make that choice.
		And it's for us as individuals to have that goal.
		And maybe the greater society will always turn a deaf ear.
		Maybe that's the way it's supposed to be.
		But that doesn't mean we should be discouraged from keeping getting the message out.
		And of course, I made it very simplistic.
		I mean, there's all kinds of things in the book.
		I mean, it's a big, fat book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		But still, that's the central.
		Yeah, yeah.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I was saying that very, very simply, you know, that we are just more than physical beings and that we have a spirit and that a contact with a higher intelligence, there is someone out there who cares and interacts with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is increasing evidence, Brad, with a city about 2,200 feet under the water off the coast of Cuba.
		And boy, I'll tell you, I could just rattle them off around the world, all these discoveries being made, that civilization may have been here before, and I mean even perhaps some sort of technological civilization.
		And then even before that and before that, in other words, man or beings like men could have come and gone on this planet many times.
		This evidence is roundly pretty much being ignored.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that's our special on Friday night.
		And that's been the subject of Mysteries of Time and Space, which came out about the same time.
		That is my second strongest passion, is worlds upon worlds there were before Adam was.
		That our civilization has been cyclical.
		Not only these phenomena we're talking about are cyclical, but our civilization has been cyclical.
		And that there was, it appears, a race of giants in prehistoric times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		What's the giants, huh?
		What's the best evidence for this kind of claim?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Skeletal remains all over the world of entities 7 to 12 to 18 feet tall.
		Wow.
		Found when they're digging mines, when they're digging wells, when they're digging walls.
		They've been found all over the world.
		All over the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bipedal.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Bipedal.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I mean, these are, for all the world, Homo sapien skeletons, but just very large Homo sapiens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are these being found?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		All over.
		Southwest, American Southwest, California, Texas.
		In Texas, they found a cave that looked like it was a nursery.
		And there are a number of skeletal remains of giant females.
		And as I say, it happened to be naturally steam heat coming in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, but this just isn't going to mix.
		In other words, these skeletal remains and footprints and all the rest of it, you're suggesting go back as much as, say, 250 million years.
		And maybe even that's only the beginning.
		So, you know, Christ was here, what, a couple thousand plus a few years ago, and that's 1,000.
		You're talking about 250 million years.
		This wasn't just before Christ and Adam and Eve.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		The footprints and strata indicative of 250 million years, those are the giant footprints that have been found.
		The skeletal remains seem to be much more recent, probably 100,000 or so years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even that's a lot.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Of course it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By measure of, say, when Christ was here.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, we're having the enormous debate right now, the whole Od of Africa, and who are we as a species, and when did we become a species?
		Is Narandotal one of us, or is he a distant relative?
		Or is he just a hominid?
		And that's the fascinating thing.
		Do you remember that movie, Quest for Fire, some years ago?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, you remember that got a lot of criticism because it showed several hominid groups existing.
		Some were cannibalistic, some were advanced, some were more like apes, and then there was Homo sapiens questing for fire.
		But now, that proved to be a precursor of what we're finding now.
		And some suggest, some very credentialed scientists suggest that there may have been as many as 12 hominid species coexisting at the same time.
		And we somehow, was it our wits?
		Was it our luck?
		Was it our generosity?
		Or was it our evilness that destroyed the other species?
		Why are we here and they aren't?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, almost everybody in the audience has read Genesis.
		And that would seem to instruct the manner in which all of this happened, and not nearly so long ago as you're talking about.
		Now, when you are confronted with people who say, no, no, no, look, read the Bible, it's all there for you, and that tells you exactly how it's happened that we are here.
		And there was nothing before that.
		There wasn't anything.
		There wasn't light.
		There wasn't time, space, planets.
		There wasn't anything until God moved his hand.
		You know, there wasn't anything at all.
		And this argues with all of that.
		I mean, it really does.
		There's no way around it.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		No, it doesn't.
		Because that's Adamic civilization.
		That's the Adamic world.
		And I'm perfectly comfortable with that.
		That's the world of Adam.
		That's who we are.
		But as I say, the rabbinical text has always inspired me.
		Worlds upon worlds there were before Adam was.
		so here again our damik world i can be very comfortable with the creation of the day and i got some fabulous photographs from the creation of the suburb that research and discoveries that they have made i can be comfortable saying that are they They have indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen them too.
		I've seen some of these photographs that are inexplicable.
		So they have science on their side as well.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		Dr. Clifford Burdick, before he passed away in Tucson, sent me some incredible photographs of these giant humanoid footprints in the same strata as the great reptiles.
		Now, here again, that knocks people right off their seats.
		What are we talking?
		Alley Oop and Diny the dinosaur?
		But again, I think what we're talking about is probably visitors.
		You see, we can't move away from the hypothesis completely, Art, that these giants could have come from elsewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they may have been coming then as they came now, or maybe they were here in great numbers at that point, or gosh, who knows?
		This is total speculation.
		But what's not speculation are the artifacts.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		The artifacts, the pots, the pans, the weapons, the swords, the hatches, the axes, and these incredible skeletons, some eight feet tall, some with horns, and some with double rows of teeth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Horns?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Horns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Men, giants with horns?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		With double rows of teeth.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		And some in Death Valley, they were found on their spine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Death Valley here where I am, you mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not Death Valley?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Death Valley, which was once a harbor, which was once a very lush area.
		And they found huge skeletons there of seven feet tall females.
		And their spines had buds, which indicated they had tails.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tails?
unidentified		Tails.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, gee, there's one illusionist.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tails.
		Yes, there is.
		Brad, hold on.
		We're up at the top of the hour.
		Tails, huh?
		The scientist says he can give us tails now, not only wings, but tails, too.
		That's another story.
unidentified		Listening to Arkbell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 25, 2002.
		You're stopping your whole heavy pain.
		A band is going big, big, double ball time.
		You feel alright when you hear the music rain.
		You feel alright when you hear the music rain.
		Be the sight of the sand, the smell of the touch, the something inside that we need so much.
		The sight of a touch, or the scent of the sand, or the strength of an oak leaves deep in the ground.
		The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
		Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing.
		To lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing, all these things in our memories hold it.
		Why?
		They could be right They could be right I'm not seeing it's my dream But I've worked on a way to hear It's so hard to do with my fears And to end my life in all the rest But by now, by now, I'm never in trouble Thank you.
		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 25th, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about giants, some with horns, some with tails, who may have been here very, very, very long ago.
		And when you say giants, there's something else that comes to mind, and we'll get to that in a moment.
		Once again, here is Brad Stagger.
		Brad, when you talk about giants and, you know, seven and eight feet tall giants, and I don't know about horns and tails, but giants certainly would call to mind, I mean, what are all these reports of Bigfoot, after all, if not either a relative of, a relic of, or in some way related to what we're talking about right now?
		What do you think?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I think we have to think about that.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		We were hoping the special would be 90 minutes long, but Discovery Learning Channel said an hour, and in the half hour you won't see.
unidentified		We did go into the Bigfoot giant link.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So unfortunately, Bigfoot suffered on the cutting room floor when he had to go to an hour.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		but we did get the e_p_s in there and the possibility uh...
		and alex hamilton brown to put this together went to uh...
		russia and israel and recorded uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		uh...
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		there some recent fighting there were giants had been seen uh...
		close encounter situation after u_f_o_ uh...
		touchdowns but yes i i think we have to at least consider the possibility of the possibility that there's some link up and that some of these uh...
		skeletal remains uh...
		might be more sasquatch bigfoot uh...
		type creatures then but again they are probably hominids i mean that they are certainly uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, there were the Nephilim and God got very upset about all that and flooded everything.
		Noah took off of what was left that was clean, that could reproduce.
		And that whole story.
		Right.
		So how would the giants have survived?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, there again, I'm glad you brought that up because we have to distinguish the Nephilim would be the god-men or the demigods.
		They, again, people have made the association there with extraterrestrials.
		They saw the daughters of men, that they were fair, and you're familiar, and I think most of our listeners are with that.
		The Rephaim are the physical giants.
		Nephilim, when they produced, reproduced with earth women, they produced men of great renown, which may be, you know, whether it's psychic abilities or great powers.
		But the Rephaim then are the Anakim and the Hittite and those tribes of giants.
		Now, Goliath was a Gittite, and there were five brothers in that family, and they were about nine to ten feet tall.
		They hired themselves out as mercenaries, and that's why they're fighting with the Philistines at this particular time in the great encounter when the little shepherd boy comes with his sling.
		So we show, Alex shows in the special what may be the grave of Goliath, and he does a marvelous job of tracing that.
		In addition to our participation, of course, you've got Zachariah Sitchin and Eric von Doniken and Jim Mars and several other people lending their expertise.
		And a very fascinating doctor, Dr. Carl Baugh, who has created a biosphere that he believes would simulate atmospheric conditions at the time of the great reptiles or when this giant species could have existed.
		So you see, at that time, then there would have been more favorable atmospheric conditions.
		There would have been greater oxygen.
		The ozone layer wouldn't have been perforated, would have been a lot thicker.
		Now he has then simulated what he thinks would be our prehistoric environment And has put species of fish and so forth in there and is creating giants.
		What would be normally a three or four inch fish is now 22 inches long in this particular environment?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah, and that is shown in the special.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		And I think that's very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is very interesting.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where did he create this biodome?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		We have Dr. Anthelman, who is in Israel at the Weissman Institute, and I believe Dr. Baugh is in Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Canada, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so they actually simulated conditions as we know they would have been.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, as we know they would have been.
		And he's creating giants.
		I mean, of the lower species.
		He doesn't have any people in there.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		But I think that's very fascinating.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I think it's very intriguing research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do too.
		And certainly a richer oxygen mixture would have been needed.
		Probably a more tropical, probably much more moisture.
		And as you point out, the ozone layer would have been fully intact, so there wouldn't have been as much radiation.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, could we really have a Jurassic part today?
		Could we have these huge Tyrannosaurus wrecks and so forth running around in our present atmospheric conditions?
		Probably not.
		Or they would still be here.
		Now, again, there's another mystery.
		What wiped out the dinosaur?
		And of course, you can hear endless debate, you know, whether an asteroid shower, was it a comet, or did they just outlive their time on the great stage?
		These footprints we're talking about, though, of giants predate.
		They would be in the age of amphibians rather than the giant reptiles.
		Of course, now they argue they might have been giant mammals, you know, early warm-blooded rather than cold-blooded.
		So many of our great sacred cows that we have cherished are being demolished.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe all baloney.
		Speaking of outliving your environment, you know, there have been a couple of interesting stories that I've been covering heavily lately.
		One of them is the collapse of the Larsen Ice Shelf in the Antarctic, which was incredible.
		I don't know if you've seen the photographs from satellite yet of it, but the collapse of Larsen B was astounding.
		Just all this ice, kaboom, shattered in 30 days.
		Now Larsen C is unstable.
		And at the North Pole, the Navy just gave us a report saying they expect there will be a full sea.
		There will be no more ice at the North Pole.
		We've already, in the last decade or two, eliminated 40% of the ice at the North Pole.
		And they say there will be a new ocean there.
		And so things are really changing rapidly.
		And I wonder if we're not in the process of perhaps outliving our own environmental change.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, we have to concede that we are the only species that can self-destruct.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I mean, and there's no guarantee that we will not go the way of the dodo bird if we're not careful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you have to wonder in millions and millions of years whether somebody's going to be picking at our bones saying there were these short little guys.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, and we know they used to be alive, but mainstream science, of course, will be denying it then.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They deny it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So many things put them on the shelf and just sort of registered as, well, we can't figure it out, don't know what it is, doesn't fit into our paradigm, so out you go.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Out it goes.
		It never existed.
		Well, again, with the giants, I started collecting this material in the 60s, and I'm sitting here now.
		I have at least ten pages single spaced of where gigantic skeletons, skeletons of giants have been found, which of course would not make good radio to sit and read it.
		Why don't we know more about these?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, wouldn't there, for example, no matter how it came down, wouldn't there, for example, have been probably some period of time where giants met what is now or was a relative of modern man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, where both existed at the same time.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, the Bible has many such stories.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		And again, there are on the special, pardon me, I'm not trying to be horribly gratuitous with the plug.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can plug it all you want.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		But we have a rabbinical scholar, you know, again, saying that this is very much and very solemnly stated in the writings of the Hebrew.
		Well, and we mentioned the Anakin, we mentioned the Gittite, we mentioned the difference with, you know, the Nephilim and the Raphaim.
		Well, one we think of very often is when Moses, when they're leaving Egypt in that traditional story, and he sends Joshua and some other scouts on to Hebron.
		And remember, they come back and they say, they're huge.
		Yes.
		We're like grasshoppers.
		And so we have a number of such accounts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you also found giant skeletons somewhere in graves in Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's that all about?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Oh, enormous amount.
		And I think we have to go back there is the, well, the Allegheny Mountains are probably named for the Aligiwi.
		The Aligiwi were a tribe of giants that continually warred in the eastern states where the Delaware and the Iroquois are.
		So that would be, you know, the upstate New York and the New England area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, of course.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		And they would not permit them to pass.
		The Delaware tried to conquer them, but again, these were giants.
		Eventually, though, the tribes kept at them and they wandered As far as Minnesota, and there the Minicanju Sioux, and we know that the Sioux were mighty warriors, they defeated them.
		And I think that a lot of the graves that we have in Minnesota of these seven-foot, eight-foot giants would be the Alighiwi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then there ought to be a lot of Sioux legends, shouldn't there?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and there are Sioux legends.
		They tell of when the giant people came from the east, and the Delaware and the Iroquois talk about, you know, how the giants terrorized them for so long.
		So they're in the Native American myths or legends or folklore oral history.
		Oral history.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the best part.
		You know, I can see how you might get some biblical students to perhaps agree with you that all of this might be possible.
		But there are many, and I've interviewed them here, Brad, who think that man did not walk upon this earth until 6,000 years ago.
		Period.
		End of story.
		That's it.
		6,000 years.
		That's when man first stepped upon the earth.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I have sat in their classrooms.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		You remember my background.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so there you are.
		So, I mean, there is a large group that is just going to go, this is just ridiculous, not possible.
		You're just telling stories.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		No, I think the and even when I was sitting in their classrooms hearing that these things could not be, I kept saying even then, back in 1953, what about all the skeletal remains?
		What about the artifacts?
		What about the relics that people are digging up?
		So again, I'm at peace with it.
		Worlds before worlds there were before Adam was.
		We have our Adamic world, which we are a part of.
		And that began roughly 6,000 years ago in Sumer and then spread to the Tigris-Euphrates, throughout the Tigris-Euphrates Valley.
		And that is the people who we are.
		We came from Sumer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, would you say that it would be fair to say that to at least shake your head in possible agreement with what you're saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'd have to be a fairly liberal Bible scholar.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, but again, certainly the creationists with their discovery of the giant tracts and so forth, they surely recognize, or at least the ones I've corresponded with, the existence of giants.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I think the point you're making, Art, is that they're not going to push it back beyond 6,000 or 7,000 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And here's all the evidence.
		It goes back to the side.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
		And there again, a person has to make his choice, you know.
		Can you see a compromise?
		Can you see a way of rectifying the physical evidence with your spiritual beliefs?
		Because that's what they would be.
		So you have the physical and the material.
		You have the spiritual and the non-material.
		Does it make a difference?
		If it really destroys your faith, then goodness me, from my perspective, it doesn't and it never has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Brad, there are, in today's world, really tall people.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Usually basketball players.
		Right.
		Seven feet.
		I mean, you know.
		Like up around seven feet, right?
		You've got human beings on Earth right now.
		Right.
		That big.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would these be more genetically close to what once was than are the rest of this, or what?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, that topic is dealt with in this special.
		There is the genetic giant, and then what is that, I hate to say disease, but it's in a sense a disease.
		You know, the acromegalia.
		The people grow nine feet tall, but they really have trouble walking.
		Their internal organs are usually not a very good shape.
		And they're really not well.
		And they, you know, God bless them, generally don't live much beyond 30 or so, 35, 40.
		Some, of course, have, but they suffer, and they're walking around with canes and crutches.
		Then we do have the seven-footers.
		I think it's interesting.
		You know, when I was young, my friends who were 6'5 ⁇ and 6'6 ⁇ , didn't go out for sports because it was just decreed anyone that tall was too clumsy.
		He wasn't coordinated.
		So the center in the basketball team, you know, if he was 6'1 ⁇ , he was, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		And I think it's interesting how we have made this incredible discovery that some people, 6'9 and 7 feet, can move and can be graceful and can be coordinated.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		So there is the genetic, and the question has to be raised, are they carrying the genes of the giants?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it right there.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		This song, I think, I play it because I think it describes our tribe well.
		You know, we're made up of some pretty strange members, our tribe, with all kinds of wants and wishes and doings currently.
		Brad Seiger will be right back.
		Brad, the graves of the giants in Minnesota, have any of them been dug up?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm going to get used to that thunder.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to have to carry a little recording around, enter a room or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a grand entrance, eh?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		It's a great entrance.
		Yes, in Dresbach, Minnesota, just not too far from where I'm sitting right now, but they were improving, expanding their building.
		Mmm.
		all of these graves then have been dug legitimately sometimes and I say that because as you know I'm both Sherry and I are very passionate about Native American causes and a couple times I've been called in to kind of arbitrate when burial grounds or mounds are in the way of highways and so forth and we feel there has to be respect there.
		So some were in the mounds, some of those very large, eight, nine feet tall with horns and so forth.
		Some of those were in Ohio.
		Some of those were in other parts of the Midwest.
		In Minnesota, they were expanding their brick factory and they came upon these huge skeletons, eight, nine feet tall, and inside the grave buried with them were things like metal frying pans and artifacts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Metal frying pans.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		And in some of these mounds' art, they have found metal implements, eating implements, knives, forks, and so forth.
		Now, that just, again, doesn't fly into what we know of the Native American tribespeople.
		Oh, no.
		Now, another thing that I find very convincing are the ancient coal mines that our coal miners have dug into at enormous depths.
		Now, just visualize this.
		You're a miner, you're sinking the shaft, you're going along, and all of a sudden you break through to another shaft.
		Who's been there?
		And when you break through, the coal that's exposed in this other shaft is so old that it's crumbled.
		Now, again, we know there were no Native American tribes that sunk deep shafts and used coal.
		The same thing have been found in copper mines in Michigan, where they have dug in and found old mines again and found smelters.
		Now, again, who we know that the Native American tribes have coalesced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then what do the miners usually do with the evidence?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		That's a good story.
		I'm glad many of them write letters and send me photographs of them, but I don't know.
		I suppose they go into museums in the area or whatever, but some of the accounts that I have received from miners are just astonishing the things they have found.
		Pots and pans and pot-bellied stoves and again, things that we don't really know what they are, plus impressions, impressions of skeletal remains in coal mines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And you've I guess there's also something about an Indian mound where 68 men of over seven feet in height were found.
		And they had horns and double rows of teeth, you say.
		Is that really true?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		That is really true.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		And a couple mounds have been found, not with as many as the one with 68.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where was that?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		It was in Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ohio.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		And numerous of it.
		Ohio is, you know, it's one of the heaviest states for UFO sightings.
		And there's all kinds of interesting things.
		I have some dear friends who live in Ohio and, you know, continually strange things happen in that state.
		And strange things happen all over, as we know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of that, did you see that Esquire photograph?
unidentified		Yes.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		My dear wife heard us talking and brought it up for you.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and printed it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brand new photograph.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		If that is real, Amigo, that is a fantastic photograph.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, what hit me about it was that you can see, you have perspective because you've got the trees, and so you know the size of the trees.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you can see roughly the distance to the trees.
		And then this is obviously in the sky way behind The trees, so it gives perspective to it.
		I don't know.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		It looks Palladian, as you say, and it also reminds me of the George Stock series of photographs from Passaic, New Jersey.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		You're familiar with those.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you are.
		Very similar.
		And so, I don't know.
		Do we imagine a connection?
		Do we imagine a connection between ufology, these things that are obviously seen, we've got photographs of them, and the existence, I mean, have they been here that long, for example?
		Do you think the Giants were...
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		I think, and then that extraordinary book that will soon be re-released in quality paperback, The Source.
		Oh, yeah.
		As we state there, my friend, whatever the UFO mystery is, you know, it's an integral part of who we are, and it goes back farther than we are and coexists with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think we had it right in the source.
		I still think we had it right in the source.
		I think there is somewhere some commonality that explains all of this.
		Now, lately, scientists have been talking a great deal about this non-locality business.
		I don't know if you've been keeping up with that or not, but that everything, everything literally, is connected at some level that we don't feel and interact with and understand for the most part, except occasionally.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, and again, I feel ashamed tonight, all the gratuitous plugs I'm making, but many people have written to me in regard to the source saying that the exciting throughout, but the last chapter is worth the price alone, where we tie it all together and say exactly that.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Where it is all connected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That it's all connected.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		You can't separate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now, well, you know, I talk to the remote viewers.
		I think they probably navigate in a source of non-locality.
		I think that all kinds of things may exist in this non-locality, and everything exists in this non-locality.
		So a single source may be absolutely true in the end.
		Do you think, and I have asked you this over many programs, that the veil is lifting or thinning or that more and more of this appears to be going on and we're headed towards some sort of a revelation-like event?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		You've asked me that many, many times, as you said, and I think my answer has been a little different each time.
		This time I'm going to say, to me, the evidence is extraordinarily firm that the veil is becoming exceedingly thin.
		And I think we are in a cycle where phenomena, people are having such incredible experiences.
		People who didn't dream of having them, who even scoffed at them, are having profound spiritual metaphysical experiences.
		I think the veil is becoming very, very thin.
		And now you're going to ask what I think that means.
		And I think it's the fact that the seen and unseen world, or the shadow world, as I call it, with the shadow people, is becoming more and more visible.
		And I think it's not just happening.
		See, before, it was happening to people of a certain sensitivity, a certain rapport.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now it's happening to policemen.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		It's happening to everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Yes, that's right.
		And then this.
		When we talk about the non-locality, we might be talking about a collective unconscious.
		You know about the Princeton experiments, I'm sure, that seem to prove there is such a thing.
		And with respect, again, to the giants, is it possible that the giants survive in our collective unconscious?
		That when you and I sit here and talk about them and people sit out there listening to our talk about these, they know at some subconscious level that what we're saying is true.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I believe that very firmly.
		And I think one evidence art that we have to mention are the huge city structures around this planet with building blocks 500 tons and more that nothing we have today with our extraordinary technology can even budge.
		And in areas where there's no trees and even taking the very huge stones and the only place those stones are found are many, many miles, sometimes hundreds of miles away.
		How could they get up to the top of the Andes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that the man who built the coral castle down in Florida had an understanding of the perhaps ancient technology that did this?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		That is the most extraordinary.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		We just happened to see that again just a couple of weeks ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you really?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know how many times I've seen a documentary or an examination of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		And it's just continually fascinating.
		And, you know, he was no giant, was he?
		Oh, he was a very small man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		And, you know, he really did build that.
		And this is not millions of years ago, folks.
		This is just, you know, fairly recent.
		Yes.
		Some of the stones, they just couldn't have been moved.
		And then he moved the whole damn thing.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		The whole thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's beyond.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's beyond any.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		no one knows no one has No one ever saw him doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It must be that he in some way stumbled upon some old technology.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Or he tapped in, as we're just talking, to that great unconscious, which has all secrets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		He did it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		See, there we have the physical proof.
		We're not just talking hypothetically.
		Could it be done?
		Could a man tap into the ancient secrets and build a huge castle where all the rocks, the huge boulders are balanced?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He must have.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		But see, we have the physical proof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is no other answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He must have.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we needn't be hypothetical here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you know something interesting to wonder about?
		The proof aside, you know, we've got the physical proof, sure.
		But why do you suppose that a man like that, who did what he did and obviously knew what he knew, would choose not to share it with a world that was headed down a very different path?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Here again, I'm going to give a cornball answer.
		I think it was love.
		He built it for love.
		I think that was his reason d'etre.
		I think that was why he did it, and that was complete for him.
		He did it as a pay on to the woman he was never able to marry, and it was a complete gift then to the world.
		And that's, I think he was satisfied.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the real gift to the world would not have been another wonderment from the way some people would think about this.
		They would think, look, if he had discovered that, why didn't he give the power to do that to the world instead of just giving the world a sort of another giza, plateau, you know, another reason to say, we don't understand this.
		Here's the physical proof it was done.
		We don't know how to do it and we don't understand it.
		So there must have been something.
		He could have given us the secret.
		I wonder what kind of thought process he went through before he died in deciding not to give it to us.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, one can only wonder, but again, I think what he did will continually provoke thought and provoke people to ask why, and someone is going to tap into what he did and replicate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		Maybe.
		Maybe not in our lifetimes.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		No, maybe not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the truth is that in the wrong hands, that power that he knew about, that he discovered, that he manipulated, obviously, he was concerned that we were already on a self-destructive course with our own technology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what would we do with something as outlandish as that?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, remember, he was literally beaten to death by someone who wanted to get that secret.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly right, yes.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		And that may have been exactly it, Art.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		He felt, if these brutes are beating me to find this fine secret, they're not ready yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're not ready yet.
		Exactly, exactly.
		So maybe he was right.
		And you have to ask yourself, if you knew that secret, if you had within your grasp that power, considering the present state of our society, could you safely let it loose yourself?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Could you?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I would be exceedingly cautious and very reluctant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Exceedingly cautious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you'd probably end up getting beaten to death.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wouldn't care for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, you know, in the coming up hour, I'm sure we're going to get some calls on this, on the Giants, on the subject of the Giants, and perhaps also on these balls of light and energy and whatever these openings that continually appear.
		And I would hope that we would get calls like that.
		I'm sure we will, in fact.
		And I would like that.
		So if you all will sort of get ready, if you do have a reason to be sort of underscoring what we're saying tonight with your own story, we'd very much appreciate that.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Very much so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then again, you mentioned Death Valley and evidence of beings with spine of tails.
		Did you know that there are occasionally, and this is not much talked about, Brad, but occasionally there are human beings born with tails or parts of tails or entire tails.
		And do you know what?
		They're surgically removed very quietly.
		Nobody talks about it.
		Nobody wants to talk about it.
		It's the way cancer used to be non-talked about.
		You know, you just, cancer, oh my God, you didn't talk about that in the family.
		Well, you certainly don't talk about tails, definitely.
		But they're surgically removed even today.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		And not always, all of it.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		We had a hired man who worked for us who was born with a residual tail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		And he saw it.
		I saw it with my own eyes.
		You did?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you speak with him about it?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah.
		I mean, this was.
		This was during WW2, so when he went into the Navy, he had surgically removed.
unidentified		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what had his doctors told him about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you recall?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Just, I mean, we're going, you know, as I say, this is WW2, so we're in that time context.
		And he was very good-natured about it.
		He laughed about it.
		He, you know, wasn't reluctant to moon you and show you the tail.
		And I just hope someone from the hometown isn't listening now because that's what I mean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but I mean, did the doctors actually go that far out on a limb to say it was a residual tail or it was just a...
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		And I remember my father explaining to me that, you know, this did happen from time to time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not that it was just some abnormal growth, but that it was actually a residual tail.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Big difference there.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		That's why when I see these, you know, giants and we have in our collection a photograph of the skeletons and thou shalt see it in the special on Friday night, you know, the tail buttons and so forth.
		I accept that this was part of the evolutionary structure for at least some of the humanid and hominid species.
		And then the big thing is, did it all just disappear?
		Did the various hominid species, or some say they couldn't possibly have interbred, and then others say, well, of course they did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now your special is March 29th on the Learning Channel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What time, do you know?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Here again, as they say, check your local time for, or local listing for time.
		Okay.
		It'll be shown twice that night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, twice that night?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		The Learning Channel, that's coming up on Friday.
		My guest is Brad Steiger.
		And as I mentioned a moment ago, if you have any stories in this arena, we want to hear from you tonight.
		And it's kind of a continuation of last week when we were talking about this and or the Giants.
		We're open for business.
		Phone lines next with Brad Steiger.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		You're listening to Ark Bell somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 25, 2002.
		I've got to run, no time to sleep.
		I've got to run, run like the wind to be free again.
		And I've got such a long way to go.
		Make it home.
		To my ride, like the wind, right like the wind.
		I'm a bone by the lonely man.
		I'm gonna put my mind with a gun in my hand, live that life.
		Down around the corner, have some out from here.
		These are both in front and you must have been here.
		Without love, where would you be now?
		Without love.
		No up, no, no, no, down along the track.
		You must have a home and a family and you won't be coming back.
		Without love.
		We're going to be right now.
		Without love.
		There's a killing, no essential.
		And a friend, please, I'm afraid.
		I'm on pushing my mouth and go down running low, without love.
		Where would you be now, now, now, now?
		Without love.
		Without love.
		Music You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from March 25th, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This night with Dr. Steiger, and he's got a very big special coming up this Friday on the Learning Channel.
		Check local listings, check it out.
		It's going to be talking and showing you things that will back up exactly what you're hearing tonight.
		You know, a lot of people are saying things like, you said people have been born with tails, but they're removed in secret.
		I didn't say it, actually.
		He says, if they're removed in secret, how do we know that this really is happening?
		He just flat doesn't believe it.
		And I didn't say it was a secret.
		What I said was people just don't talk very much about it.
		And if you had been born with a tail and had it removed, odds are you wouldn't talk it up a lot.
		We'll get back to all of this and your cause with Brad Steiger in a moment.
		Once again, from the rumbling thunder emerges Brad Steiger.
		Hey, Brad.
unidentified		I got to get one of those.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, young Frankenstein?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I love that movie.
		There's a Florida Leachman character.
		The Frau Ruler, there's the Thunderclap, and the horse whinnies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, on stage, you would combine that thunderclap with a little bit of smoke, you know, and you emerge from the smoke at the right moment.
		All right.
		Let's go to the phones.
		I've hogged you long enough.
		Wildcard line, you are on here with Brad Steiger.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, good morning, Arc.
unidentified		Good morning, Brad.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Brad, this is Dave from San Jose.
		I'm the guy that keeps calling you over the last four or five years every time you're on the show about these hooded beings.
		Because that was my first memory as a child seeing one of them.
		And then you were mentioning that the veil is thinning, extremely thin.
		And tonight when you were telling your story, I was thinking the same thing myself, because over all those years, I couldn't get you to give me any information on these people, on these hooded beings, even though you had a survey going with, I think, 25,000 people.
		I really appreciate you describing that story that you had with them.
		You also mentioned that in those spheres, besides people seeing reptiles and things, you mentioned the Hooded Master.
		That's interesting.
		And okay, so that's one question if you can explain it.
		And my second one is, that book, after you met this hooded being, it's called, I want to get this straight, Contemporary Revelatory Experience?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		That's what it's about.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		The title is Revelation the Divine Fire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Revelation the Divine Fire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really a neat title.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it here again, you know, I started to say about the musician.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so I called mine Revelation the Divine Fire.
		Let's see, he called his something very similar to that.
		But then I begin with a quote from the prophet Jeremiah that says, There is a burning fire within my heart.
		That's how I opened the book.
		He opened it with the original poem that said, Within my heart a fire burns forever.
		I mean, that's how close the seed, I call it the great seed cloud.
		That's how close it was between this musician and myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He mentioned the hooded masters.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the hooded beings.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Is Dave still on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I thought I sent Dave material.
		I'm sorry.
		He said I hadn't sent him anything.
		I thought I had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's so much on the subject.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		And I think I indicated that.
		And gee, Dave, I know you're still listening, so email me and we'll keep in touch on it because as Mark just said, the veil is getting thinner with the hooded beings.
		Right, Arch?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		It makes my job actually much easier because it's like I have too much to report on every night.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Brad Seiger.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, this is Lee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Lee.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Lee.
unidentified		I'm in Indianapolis, and I've been listening a long time, but I had to call because recently I've been hearing a lot about the spheres or the ball.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, mm-hmm.
unidentified		Okay, about 10 years ago when I was living in Washington, D.C., right on 16th Street, about 24 blocks from the White House, I had my back to the wall that divides the kitchen from the living area.
		And my neighbor from down the hall and my 18-year-old daughter, we were all standing there in like a little conversation circle.
		In the middle of the conversation, we were talking about finding a bigger apartment.
		And all of a sudden, this ball at eye level traveling, oh, I don't know, I guess you'd say about maybe 10 miles an hour.
		It's kind of hard to judge that, but it's moving, right?
		It comes from the direction of the window.
		When we first spotted it, it was coming from that direction.
		I didn't see it actually come through that window because I didn't spot it until it was actually in the room.
		You see what I'm saying?
		My back was to it.
		Okay.
		It comes around, goes between us.
		My daughter and the neighbor lady were across from me in our conversation.
		We were only a few feet apart.
		And I'm on one side.
		It's like it circled around me and then went out the kitchen window.
		And as we were talking, we all just stopped talking, kind of looked at it, looked at each other, and followed it with our eyes as it went out the kitchen window and said, what was that?
		I mean, it was like, but it didn't give us fear or anything.
		I didn't notice anything bluish, and I didn't see any monkeys in it.
		I saw an energy of light, a ball of energy and light.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		What color?
unidentified		I just, light.
		If anything, I'd say white or yellow.
		No blue.
		But you know what I attribute it to at the time?
		I had come back from California a few weeks before that and left my pet dog with a friend in California to keep as their pet.
		But they had to go to China, and so they had the dog boarded out with a friend of theirs.
		And when they came back, they told me the dog had escaped.
		Well, I went crazy calling all the dog founds, Humane Society, everything I think of to try to locate my dog.
		Well, she was never found, so I thought, I just, it came to me like, well, maybe it was the spirit of my dog.
		You know, that's what I thought it was.
		Until I started listening to your show.
		And now everybody's seeing these balls.
		And, you know, the funny thing is, not funny, haha, but funny, strange.
		When the World Tower buildings went down, okay, if those were energy balls, a lot of the, I mean, so many people died at one time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now, ma'am, hold on.
		She raises a really good point.
		This is a, you know, it's a very sensitive subject, and I'm not sure if it relates, but it may well relate.
		At the site of the World Trade Center disaster, a number of police officers and firemen have taken photographs, and some of the most incredible photographs, Brad, these orbs, so-called, we've got entire collections on my website of these orbs, these balls of light that show up in photographs.
		I'm not sure if they relate to the physical balls of light that people are seeing or not, but the suggestion is so obvious that so many died there and that it has something to do with the people who died there, Brad.
		And again, so they're energy from the other side of the veil, and that's the way they're manifesting, and not so different than the physical balls that people are.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Now, we must at this point mention the phenomena of ball lightning, which I'm sure you have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yes.
		And it is distinctly different because if one of the ladies in her story would have got too close, I mean, there would have been burnt hair and sin.
		Absolutely.
		But that is a strange phenomena that really can't be replicated in the laboratory that I know of that scientists have been studying seriously, or at least recently.
		They used to scoff at it, but now it's happened enough.
		It's come into airplanes.
		It does seem to be able to go through windows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, here's one for you, Brad.
		There is a scientist, I heard Whitley interviewing the scientist on Dreamland, and he has now proven that what are called plasma balls, which exist in the atmosphere, inexplicably are able to maintain or even increase their strength in the atmosphere.
		Now, whatever would create something like this, in the normal law of physics stuff, you would explain, you would imagine would diminish with time, but they have actually proven in the lab that these plasma balls, whatever they are, are able to Either maintain their size or increase in size, and there's nothing to explain that.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So we have a natural phenomenon, which is very difficult to explain at this moment in space and time.
		And then we have what I think we are believing and conceding is a spiritual phenomenon.
		The orbs from the other side that represent either the vehicles with which the visitors, the other, travel or manifest, and then the spirit of those who have gone to the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there may be an absolute relationship.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I have to always believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the Rockies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air with Brad Steiger and Art Bell.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Brad.
		Hi.
		Hi.
		You were talking about people with tails.
		I have a pair of extra nipples, and they're only teeny tiny, like way littler than baby size.
		I bet they're a quarter inch across maybe, but they're just two inches under regular ones.
		And they never grew, thankfully, but they're there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For example, a dog would have a whole line of nipples, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so, and I'm in no way comparing you to a dog.
		But it may be that at another earlier time, but that's really fascinating.
		What do your doctors tell you about that?
unidentified		I've never asked, and you can't really see them unless you really put your face, well, you know, like standing close by.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		So I've never really looked closely.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Doctors have never commented or said anything to you?
unidentified		No, I've never, I guess they never really look close enough.
		They kind of look maybe just like a birthmark or just unless you look close enough to see.
		If you want me to, I can, next time I'm by my brother, take a digital photo and send it along.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By all means.
unidentified		But where are these things from?
unidentified		Are they like, maybe some people survived in ancient, you know, from ancient, all those past civilizations and some little bits of DNA were passed down somehow?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		The extra nipple thing is quite apart from the other things we're discussing.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I have heard one time or another from women who had one extra nipple, but the fact that you have two right beneath, again, and, you know, I will say as Art did, no comparison, but we know, of course, that there are other mammals who do have rows of nipples, and I'm amazed that a doctor has never commented on it.
unidentified		Maybe when I was little, I don't remember, but nothing lately.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		But again, it's extraordinary in what it means of the vesidial tail.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		We know that many evolutionists believe that at one time our evolving species did have tails, but I don't know of any of the greater apes or monkeys or any of our hominid cousins who have rows of nipples other than dogs and cats and that type of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please, by all means, send the photograph.
unidentified		Okay, and then you say if I asked the doctor, what would the doctor say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's what we want to know.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		That's why we were asking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So next time you go to the doctor, show him.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And ask him.
		I'd be very interested in the response.
		In the meantime, if you would send along that photograph.
		First time caller align.
		You're on the air with Brad Steiger and Art Bell.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		Good morning, Brad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, I'm Bob.
unidentified		I'm listening to you at WLS time of Chicago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Bob.
unidentified		And in August of 81, I used to spend my summers out by my cousins.
		And one summer, that summer, he told me about a ball that's been hanging around his house.
		I thought he was just trying to scare the crap out of me.
		And I was about 15 at the time.
		And we were coming back from a swimming party probably about 9.30 at night.
		I had a brand new pair of glasses on.
		We both weren't drinking anything.
		And we were coming parallel on the next block over from this house.
		And I see this light, this ball of light.
		He's like, there it is.
		There it is.
		So we turned off the lights, turned the corner.
		We were creeping up on this thing.
		And this is hovering under the window in the kitchen where my parents and his parents were.
		And this thing shot out in front of us, in front of the street, maybe about 25 feet up above the ground.
		We turned the lights on, and this thing moved at a velocity that I have never seen anything move before in my life.
		It was a fluorescent green, about the size, maybe a little smaller than a stop sign, a little bigger than a basketball.
		Didn't change size at all.
		But after we had both seen it, it had never came back.
		They had seen it earlier that week, just one person had seen it, and then they'd tell the other person.
		But nobody had seen it both, you know, two people, until me and my cousin, and then it never came back.
		But this thing moved, and I tell you, it was aware of us.
		It was definitely aware of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know that?
unidentified		Because it darted out in front of the car, and as soon as we turned the lights on, it went.
		And it moved through the branches of the trees, maneuvered through the branches of the trees at a velocity you wouldn't believe.
		It was incredible.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Again, I don't know what we're dealing with here, but I had an experience when I was a teenager.
		I'm a farm boy originally, small Iowa town, and I'm doing chores one night, and I hear girls screaming at the end of our lane.
		And I can make out three girls, and again, you know, small town, so I could figure out who they were, but I could not imagine why they were screaming.
		So I asked them, next time I went into town in my 41 Chevrolet, I said, you know, why were you girls screaming at the end of our lane and they said oh a ball of light a green ball of light came up out of the out of the and the end of our lane what was really marshy a lot of swamp and they said it came out of the marsh there and just and chased us for almost all the way back to town that's why we were screaming well you can almost hear millions of people
art bell ▲ ● ▼		saying swamp gas at the same time.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I mean, this is before swamp, you know, you thought of those things, but it could have been Will-O-The-Wisp or, you know, Firefox or whatever.
		So I thought, well, that's a good story.
		So one night I'm driving home after dark, and there it is in front of my car.
		And again, just as this gentleman is describing, in the headlights.
		But this thing came right at me and went right through my windshield and right out the rear window.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
		Brad, hold it right there, right through the car.
		Just like that.
		What do you guys think we're dealing with anyway?
		I'm Art Bell.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from March 25, 2002.
		You know it don't come easy.
		But to be a student, you want to keep a student.
		And you know it don't come easy.
		You don't have to shout or leave the vows.
		You can even play their music.
		Get up out of the past and all your sorrows.
		If you do, you shall apply.
		It will soon be your tomorrow.
		I tell that the vows I only want to put.
		And you know it don't come easy.
		I tell that the vows I know it don't come easy.
		But you have closed your mind.
		Whatever happens to our love?
		I wish I understood.
		Did you just save your life?
		Did you just save your goodness?
		I thought I would love you.
		Oh, when you hear me, darling, can you hear me?
		It's my way.
		The love you gave me, nothing, nothing saved me.
		It's my way.
		When you're gone, how can I even try to go on?
		When you're gone, so I try, how can I carry on?
		You seem so far away, though you are sending me.
		You make me feel alive, the trust and die I feel.
		I really try to make it out.
		I wish I understood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		listening to art bells somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of coast to coast am from march 25th 2002 this night with brad steiger and if you'll hold on right there he'll be right back with your phone call well here's one answer for the special coming up friday uh merit merlania i believe it is in toronto canada says well i guess if you're in toronto tlc giants are on friday 9 p.m and
art bell ▲ ● ▼		midnight Toronto time so if you're in Toronto there you go hope it helps your listeners I suppose everybody must adjust for their own and and then too they can run it at different times so as Brad said you're gonna have to check your TV guide but it will air twice so it's going to be all across Canada too well alright Brad if you're ready here they come here they come first time caller line you're on the air with Brad Steiger good morning
unidentified		hello hello this is John from Orlando yes John yeah hello I've been down to a coral castle and I took a bunch of pictures he actually before you even brought it up on the show I was a big fan of his so I went down there and took pictures and he actually created a magnetic wheel nobody talks about this a magnet one of the main things in you go down there right now still there right now on in the museum a magnetic wheel yeah and what's weird about it is remember the Canadian guests that you had
art bell ▲ ● ▼		yes that made that magnetic wheelie yes a effort from vancouver i believe yes that
unidentified		the uh setup the numbers combinations of magnets were divided in half on this on his wheel on the coral castle wheel that's interesting yeah that's what made me really concerned about the whole thing do you have really good photographs of it yeah i do can you get can you get them to me i sent i sent the wheel to you just about ten minutes ago okay that's under coral castle answer oh all right you guys under your mind spring artboardmindspring.com but
unidentified		have many more pictures if you want them after that you want me to know and all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you want to follow up, by all means follow up and I'll try and keep my mailbox jams up so quickly.
		I'll try and keep it open for you.
		So yeah, if you want to send any others, that would be really nice.
unidentified		I've been waiting a long time to tell you about this wheel too.
unidentified		It's so exciting for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That may be part of a really ancient technology.
unidentified		Yeah, I think so too.
		I think what he did was I think, you know the tripod that he used that people think that he was using to move the stone?
		Yes.
		On top of those tripods, I think he had either a battery or something that he ran wires from that to the tower.
		He had like a stone tower, the highest point of his structure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, I have your email.
		I'm looking at your email right now.
		But hold on, hold on, hold on.
		Your attachment statement did not come through.
		So send it as CORAL.JPG or something like that.
		something like that I don't know how you send it.
		It looks like windmail of some sort or something.
		Can you do that?
unidentified		Yeah, I'll send it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, that's probably why I didn't get it before, because it didn't come through as an attachment.
unidentified		what's really strange is the way he made this, it's like he totally constructed it from car parts.
		He took these batteries and mounted them in, like, I can't even describe it.
		You'll know when you see the picture.
		But it's like his first experiments was turning it with a hand crank, and then he went to like compressed air.
		The structure of the tower had a built-in metal pipe that you could tell that was for compressed air that he disassembled before he died.
		Hmm.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
unidentified		It's really strange.
		Yeah, the whole thing is really strange.
		But I got a lot of good pictures, and I will try to get them to you.
		I sent my phone number, so I keep my phone number, and in case I can't get them through this time, I'll try to keep getting them through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, and I can clearly see why it didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to try and rename it.
unidentified		When you see it, you're going to be really excited because there's a lot more to it.
unidentified		Nobody's listened to me about this for a long time, and I finally, finally got to tell you about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, he had to know something.
		He had to know.
		He obviously had to be onto something, right?
unidentified		There's a lot of strange things.
		And even in the museum, he actually had, there's a piece of rock that has been unidentified also.
		Nobody talked about that either.
		It's in the museum right now.
		A piece of rock that he used for, you know that big stone door that opens with a finger?
		Right.
		You can push it with a finger.
		It's huge.
		He used that special rock that he found to make that burying system in the bottom of that because the first one wore out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I renamed your file, sir, and I've got the photograph.
unidentified		Oh, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		Thank God.
unidentified		I finally got it through to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to email this to Keith, my webmaster.
unidentified		Count the magnets and count all the way around, and it matches half of exactly what that guy was doing in Canada.
		That's what was really amazing.
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to send this.
unidentified		It's on the same track as what that guy's doing.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to...
unidentified		I'm dying to build this thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen the photographs that this man is talking about, Brad?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You haven't?
unidentified		I have.
		See, he also has the most other experiments that he was working on, like homemade light bulbs.
		There wasn't a whole lot there, but very long wires that I noticed in the photograph ran to those tripods, and the tops of those tripods are boxes.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Big tower, you say?
unidentified		Yeah, the tower is his main...
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Did I say we just saw a documentary probably two weeks ago?
unidentified		You could go there right now.
		You could go there to Homestead.
		You can go there right now.
		I mean, you can go, and it's there right now.
		It's sitting right there.
		Nobody talks about it.
		I can't believe it.
		I've been dying to tell people.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you what.
		As we speak, it's winging its way toward my webmaster right now.
		I just did that as the two of you were chatting.
unidentified		The basic idea of what I think he was doing was changing the polarity of an atom in a mass.
unidentified		When you do that, it changes all the atoms in that mass.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yours is a very, very, very good, specific photograph, sir.
		And I'm going to get it up, credit you on the website.
		You took it yourself, right?
unidentified		Yeah, took all the website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're giving us permission to put it on the website, right?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Keith, I know you're listening.
		Hope you're listening.
		I just sent the photograph to you.
		I had to send it separate from his email.
		Please get it up on the site, ASAP.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Brad Steiger.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I'm just fascinated by what you're talking about, and I believe in I have seen certain things since I was young.
		UFOs, what I call the black people, certain little things that were mysterious to me, but I'm with you as far as all of this, some sort of way being connected.
		And I don't understand or know how, but a lot of the principles that I believe that are into that coral castle thing you guys are talking about is some sort of reverse polarity or something, using the Earth's polarity to make things, magnetism to come against.
		The same with the small UFO I saw as an 18-year-old that made no sound and was so small that no one could be inside of it that I could figure, you know, three foot high.
		But the ability to move from dead zero to a blinding zigzaggy speed is just, to me, smacks of magnetism.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Where did you see this?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Where were you?
unidentified		I'm in Gainesville, Georgia here, and this happened, and I live like out in a rural part out on the chicken farm.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And was coming home one night and saw a small craft with a red light blinking in the middle of it and two white orbs, which looked like an airplane off in the distance.
		And as I went down a hill, the craft went down the hill also.
		So when I got to the top of the hill, I stopped the automobile and the craft stopped.
		And in the moonlight, I could see this.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Did you feel it was observing you?
unidentified		It was observing me.
		And all I could think of, I'm 44 now, so this happened like when I was 18, but the Merv Griffin guys were real popular.
		I was down in Louisiana or somewhere that several fishermen got picked up or something like that.
		Right, right, that one.
		So that was in the news at the time or whatever, and I really got scared and flew on down the road.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		You didn't want to go through what they had gone through.
unidentified		Flid into the driveway and telling them I've seen a UFO up the street.
		And when I turned around, I said, and there it is right there.
		And it sit out over our pasture over a pine tree for 22 to half a minute or so.
		And then it took off just like that.
		Just boom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Great story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John in Toronto asked an interesting question going back to the giants.
		And then I've really got something for you.
		He asks, have DNA screenings been done on any of the North American giants?
		And if so, have comparisons been done with giants of other parts of the world?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		That's a very interesting question, and I can't give a complete answer to that.
		I think that some people are trying to do that now.
		There are bits of hair on some of these skeletal remains.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be plenty for DNA, wouldn't it?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it would.
		It would.
		And I hope that someone is doing that as we speak.
		But I certainly will follow through on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know this man who we just talked to who took the picture at Coral Castle?
		Well, we live in an amazing electronic age.
		Even though I couldn't bring the picture up, I renamed it, brought it up, got it going, and sent it to Keith.
		And Keith has it on the website right now.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Already.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Already.
		Under What's New, the first item is Magnetic Wheel at Coral Castle.
		It's the damnedest picture you've ever seen.
		Is Sherry still awake?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure, but I will check it as soon as I can there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, please.
		We're not going to have another break, unfortunately.
		Oh.
		So you can't reach over to a computer, can you?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		No, I can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, too bad.
		For everybody else, this incredible magnetic wheel, this man took a hell of a picture of it, and we've got it on the website right now.
		Boy, the technology is not all bad.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Brad Steiger.
		Hello.
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Mr. Steiger, I think back in the 60s, you wrote a book called Flying Saucers Are Hostile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		That's way back.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		A lot of some researchers still agree with that, like Bud Hopkins and Dr. David Jacobs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And I know you're an expert on Native Americans.
		What do you think about the reptile people?
		because Art had somebody on Red Elk who believed in the reptile beings.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's been sort of the basis of it.
		And each one looks at the UFO mystery from a little different angle because I think that's how complex it is.
		And what Art and I did in the source was kind of try to tie a lot of things together.
		But the reptilian, I've said for years now that we could very well be dealing with terrestrial or extraterrestrial reptilian species they could have in their world or even in our planet because we've had enough time on our planet for more than one evolution of a superior species.
		So I was really excited when I saw some of the research of two Canadian scientists who, and I've used this illustration, I've had a drawing made of what a reptile or what a dinosaur man would look like.
		And it's for all the world, Stanacosaurus, which had a flexible thumb.
		For all the world is what people are describing when they're having UFO encounters with what is euphemistically known as the greys at this time.
		And I've felt this since the 60s when I participated in a number of hypnotic regressions of abductees and contactees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have revised your view of the relative danger of UFOs and those who inhabit them or pilot them or whatever?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, at that time, again, that was not the title I chose.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		It was simply indicating that one should be very cautious in approaching UFOs and cautious in dealing with the entire mystery because it could be hazardous to your health.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure that that's changed.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not either.
		But I guess what's changed is my attitude is that the entire phenomenon is hostile.
		I think here, again, a lot of it is who you are or what you get.
		But I certainly, in this entire field of the paranormal art, I continually advise caution.
		This is not fun and games.
		This is not to be taken lightly.
		To me, this is serious business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I certainly agree with that.
		Oh, my God.
		This photograph, when we get off the air, you've got to go see it.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Sherry's getting it for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, she is?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Oh, she's just the greatest wife anyone could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, it's the first item under what's new on my website.
		And you've got to remember, when you look at this photograph, this man built this, and it's clearly a rotational magnetic assembly.
		So if you have a second, I'll even wait.
		If Sherry has it, you can see it.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		He's just bringing it to me now, I love.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, look at that.
		Look at that, Brad.
		The man who built the Coral Castle built what you're looking at there.
		It's clearly magnetic, rotational, and it almost looks like...
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		No, was it a contact?
		No, not a contact.
		Sherry's saying it looks like the what's-its that we have in Rainbow Conspiracy.
		This incredible, huge artifact that was found on government land, and the picture was given to us as some kind of device that has little hieroglyphics all over it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, you've just got to remember this is inside a building that was impossible to build.
		A man went to the grave, as you pointed out, with his secret after being beaten.
		But look at this thing.
		Good Lord.
		Yeah.
		It's the best picture I've ever seen.
		I've heard about Coral Castle, and I've seen pictures of the outside of it, but I've never seen anything like this.
		That's amazing.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't in the documentary we just saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it probably should have been, huh?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		It should have been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Brad Steiger and Art Bell.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art, and Mr. Steiger.
		How are you doing?
		This is really an honor.
		You know, I've been listening to you for almost 10 years now.
		This is Michael in Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Michael.
unidentified		And you know, the main question that I have right now for both of you, if I could address both of you, is Art and Rod, what influence do you think that these extraterrestrials, these beings that are not of our space and time, what do you think that they're doing?
		How much are they influencing our destiny and especially our evolution, our genetic evolution, which might bring to mind the question, why do we have different races of human beings?
		where are we going in evolution and and uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		i I mean, that's a lot to answer.
		How are they influencing us?
		In a way, we answered that toward the beginning of the program or just after the beginning of the program in that we are more than just physical beings and connected to more.
		But that's a pretty nonspecific.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		The subtitles of one of my books, Gods of Aquarius, is UFOs and the Transformation of Man.
		So that kind of says our attitude.
		Sherry and I, again, our research, and that's why it ended up so much in the giants.
		We've gone to many, many foreign countries and been collecting artifacts, which we feel indicates that at least as a thesis, we feel that the influence on our evolution has been considerable and probably on our destiny is interwoven with our own.
		I think that there is an incredible advanced symbiotic relationship between us and the other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They may have some interest, self-interest in you.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I think they need us as much as we need them.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Only they know why and we don't yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't suppose you make an appearance, even a cameo or whatever, in the special, do you?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I would say so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So as interview style?
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, that makes it even more interesting.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Alex Hamilton Brown is the really wonderful man who put this together.
		And Graham Whiffler, who has done a number of specials for NBC.
		And David McCallum is the narrator.
		He was a friend, a boyhood chum of Alex's dad back in Scotland.
		And this grew out of Alec Hamilton Brown reading my Worlds Before Our Own in the British edition and cherishing the idea of the chapter Giant Men and Giant Reptiles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's coming up this Friday.
		Check local listings on the Learning channel.
		Bless their heart for doing this.
		And bless your heart for being here tonight, Brad.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		We aren't over already.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are.
		It's a superb program.
		Thank you.
		Thank you so much.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my friend.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		I enjoyed it as always.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
brad steiger ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Listen, everybody.
		I have never in my life seen anything like this man sent me.
		This is amazing.
		You've got to see it.
		It's on my website right now at artbell.com.
		This is a machine that the man who made the coral castle constructed.
		It's clearly rotational and electromagnetic in nature.
		And I want all of you to take a look at this and comment to me an email or otherwise.
		Yes, sir.
		I want the rest of the photographs.
		Best ones I've ever seen, and I've never seen one of this.
		It's awesome.
		From the high desert, I'm Mark Bell.

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