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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good afternoon, good morning, whatever the case may be, wherever you are around the globe.
		All 24 time zones covered by this radio program.
		I'm Mark Bell, and the program is Coast to Coast A.M. This hour, we're going to do open lines.
		Next hour, Major Ed Dames is here, supplanting the usual open line hour because, of course, I was out for a couple of days.
unidentified		Music bad facts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, radio, sadly, has lost one of its own.
		A legendary 1960s top 40 WLS DJ Art Roberts has passed away.
		He was the program director at WLS, my affiliate in Chicago.
		And he was an amazing man.
		He was the first man to play a Beatles song in the U.S. That's hotly contested, but I think generally recognized, as most things are like this, generally recognized as the first person to ever play the Beatles in the U.S. Can you imagine that?
		The first person to play a Beatles record in the United States.
		He would sit down and listen to record after record after record and just pluck the one that he knew was going to be a hit.
		And absolutely legendary.
		Art Roberts, take care of my friend.
		Well, I've got a lot to get through to you this evening before Ed gets here.
		The news, such as it is, is scariest part of the show as far as I'm concerned.
		The deadliest fighting in 17 months.
		In the Middle East, Israel raided Palestinian towns and refugee camps Friday while a Palestinian gunman opened fire on a Jewish settlement.
		Amid all this carnage, the Israeli Prime Minister hinted at new flexibility in reaching a truce with the men.
		39 Palestinians were killed in Israeli raids on towns.
		It really...
		It's been time for a long time now, but it's really time for it to stop before it takes the world with it, which it inevitably and biblically and probably in reality will do.
		Snow, clouds, high winds quelled fighting Friday, but the week old battle to drive the Al-Qaeda and Taliban holdouts from the mountains in eastern Afghanistan was expected to drag on for at least several more days as the enemy hunkered in hideouts and refused to surrender.
		There are many questions about the quality Of the intel in terms of the enemy strength here, and that it was underestimated, and that, you know, as much of a tragedy as we did have there, there could have been a much bigger one because somebody didn't have the right intelligence.
		The government objected Friday to Enron's paying its interim chief exec $1.3 million a year as prosecutors negotiated with the Energy Traders' former auditor, Securities and Exchange Commission, which is investigating Enron's collapse,
		said in a filing in federal bankruptcy court that many of the terms of Enron's agreement with company turnaround specialist Stephen Cooper are overreaching and inappropriate, their words.
		During a videotaped interview with a psychiatrist played at her murder trial Friday, at this, Andrea Yates described in chilling detail drowning her five children in the bathtub, recalling that one of the children had asked Mommy, are we going to take a bath Friday?
		Yates said during the 7th November interview with a forensic psychiatrist that she allowed earlier opportunities to kill the children pass because she, quote, wasn't ready mentally to do it, end quote.
		Well, the clear implication there is that she did it when she was mentally ready.
		And I don't know how you get a more clear case of forethought.
		And of course, that would bring with it the death penalty.
		A Roman Catholic bishop who admitted molesting a teenager 25 years ago submitted his resignation Friday, becoming, thusly, the highest-ranking clergyman brought down in a wave of allegations touched off by the sex scandal in Boston.
		The Reverend Anthony J. O'Connell, Bishop of the Diocese of Palm Beach, admitted to the allegations leveled by Christopher Dixon, his former student.
		And so it goes on.
		So much trouble.
		Is there a disproportionate amount of trouble in the Catholic Church?
		That, of course, is a very, very interesting question.
		On the one hand, you'd leap to say yes, there is, and that, of course, the obligations of a priest are the root cause of this, and you could be correct.
		But on the other hand, of course, when it is a priest doing the molestation or somebody of the cloth, the media grabs that and runs like crazy.
		So I don't know.
		It's really hard to say, but it does seem disproportionate.
		You know, here's another one for you.
		The thousands of emails on this rash continue to pour in, this mysterious rash, whatever it is.
		How about Oscar fever?
		Oscar fever of a different kind.
		A mystery illness has overcome at least 100 guests who attended a pre-Oscar ceremony honoring scientific and technical achievement last weekend.
		About 500 people attended the dinner and awards presentation at the Regent Beverly Wolfshire Hotel in Beverly Hills on Saturday, though many became ill the next day.
		Some guests didn't show symptoms of the illness for several days.
		Total number of those sickened has not been yet determined, but the L.A. County Department of Health said at least 100 people were overcome, while Oscar officials said it might be as high as 200.
		County epidemiologists, of course, are looking at everything from the fish and beef on the menu to desserts and wine.
		Investigators were also collecting stool samples from sickened individuals to determine the nature of the disorder.
		The illness characterized by vomiting, diarrhea, nausea, sometimes a low-grade fever.
		Symptoms were typically lasting one to two days.
		So.
		There is an outbreak of hemorrhagic fever in, this is a brand new outbreak, folks, in Afghanistan, about 210 miles west of Kabul.
		It looks pretty bad, contagious, very incredibly contagious, but thus far only one village affected.
		UN officials had informed the World Health Organization about the outbreak, and the WHO officials were believed to be planning to travel to the region to assess how to respond.
		There are several different kinds of hemorrhagic fever with varying levels of seriousness, ranging from mild illness to death.
		Ebola is one kind of hemorrhagic fever.
		It's not known yet exactly what type they've got in this village.
		They did have Crimean Congo hemorrhagic fever in part of Pakistan, Afghanistan's eastern neighbor.
		So in other words, they've got a hemorrhagic fever.
		It could even be Ebola or something awful like that in Afghanistan.
		Now, I understand that hemorrhagic fever is, you don't want to say common, but something that can happen in that region, and yet think about it for a moment.
		If there is Ebola there or some equally awful bleed-out type disease, the terrorists there aren't going to have to look very hard for samples of a weapon that could be developed, are they?
		Samples are right there on their doorstep.
		All they need is samples of the blood and somebody who knows what they're doing in a moderately secure kind of lab environment to work in, and they could produce something really awful for the world, which is the business they're in, after all, isn't it?
		Interesting story coming up in a moment about Jupiter.
		The planet Jupiter?
unidentified		The planet Jupiter?
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's one for the books.
		Wonder what it is.
		The title of the article is Puzzling X-rays from Jupiter.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Puzzling X-rays from Jupiter.
		Let's talk about this a little bit.
		Every 45 minutes, a gigawatt pulse of X-rays course through the solar system.
		That's a gigawatt pulse.
		Astronomers are accustomed to such things.
		Distant pulsars and black holes often bathe the galaxy with blasts of X-ray radiation.
		But this time, the source is not exotic, and it's not far away.
		It's right here in our own solar system.
		The pulses are coming from the north pole of Jupiter, says Randy Gladstone, a scientist at the Southwest Research Institute and leader of the team that made the discovery using NASA's orbiting Chandra X-ray Observer.
		Every 45 minutes, an X-ray source blinks near Jupiter's North Magnetic Pole.
		We were not surprised to find X-rays coming from Jupiter, he said.
		Other observatories have done that years ago.
		Surprise is what Chandra has revealed for the very first time.
		That would be the location of the beacon.
		Their word, beacon, surprisingly close to the planet's pole and the regular way it pulses.
		NASA's Einstein X-ray satellite first spotted Jupiter's X-ray glow in 1979.
		No one looked again for many years until researchers, Gladstone among them, pointed the German X-ray Observatory Rossat toward Jupiter in 1992.
		The glow was still there.
		Scientists wondered, what was it?
		The X-rays came mostly from Jupiter's northern hemisphere, but the Einstein and Rossat maps weren't crisp enough to reveal exactly where some researchers figured they were seeing X-ray emissions from powerful auroras.
		Indeed, you know, northern lights like we have here on Earth every now and then, only on a different scale.
		Jupiter's auroras are hundreds to thousands of times more powerful than our planets.
		Furthermore, the glowing rings around Jupiter's magnetic poles are twice the diameter of Earth itself.
		But the bottom line here is that there's a signal, a very, very, very, very strong signal coming from the planet Jupiter up there at the pole.
		Now, I wonder what that might be.
		Now they don't think it's the aurora.
unidentified		So, what a surprise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Chandra satellite revealing that most of the X-rays came from a hotspot located very close to Jupiter's North Magnetic Pole, not far from the aurora ring itself, and moreover, it is pulsing.
		The 45-minute pulsations are very mysterious, he says.
		They're perfectly regular.
		Now, these are his words, folks.
		I'm not, adds Mr. Elsner.
		They're perfectly regular, like a signal from E.T might be.
		E.T., his words, the period drifts back and forth by a few percent.
		This is a natural process, he adds.
		We just don't know what it is.
		Now, I know a lot of you are going to go, okay, where did this story come from?
		This actually comes from a NASA website, Science, It Looks Like, at NASA.
		Direct to the people, it says.
		This story that I just read you in even greater detail is available if you get to the website.
		So, let's see, the Science Directorate of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center sponsors the At NASA websites.
		The mission of science at NASA is to help the public understand just how exciting NASA research is and help NASA scientists fulfill their outreach responsibilities.
		So that describes to you the website from which this comes.
		It's coming from NASA.
		Now, check me if I'm wrong here, but in this article, what did they just tell us?
unidentified		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did they just tell us about Jupiter?
		Now, let's see.
		They said it's a gigawatt-size emission.
		It's not from auroras or any other natural process they know of.
		They have, with Chandra, the satellite, pinpointed this signal to a very precise point on Jupiter, very near the pole.
		Do you have any idea how much it gigawatts, gigawatts of power?
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Their words, just like you'd hear from E.T. What if, you know, they use the word.
		Now, the word beacon was not my word.
		Beacon is their word.
		What if this thing is hiding in plain sight?
		What if this beacon is exactly what we deep down somewhere imagine it might be?
		A beacon, for God's sakes.
		In other words, a signal coming to Earth from a planet in its own system that we've simply been somehow overlooking.
		Now, they can't make that.
		Those are all of their words, not mine.
		Their words.
		What if while we've been looking at distant star systems, in fact, the signal, and it's a really loud, regular signal from the pole, North Pole area of Jupiter, is the signal we should have been looking for all along?
unidentified		Right here, close by.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps not placed there or being sent by present residences, but to perhaps those who were here long ago.
		It could even be a transmitter of sorts that has been placed on Jupiter for us to notice, and we were just too damn stupid to recognize this big signal coming from Jupiter had meaning.
		Regular, high power, and with no other explanation.
		In fact, so regular that they use the words ET and beacon.
		So I thought we ought to talk about this a little bit.
		What if we're in the middle of contact right now?
		You know, I'm scheduling Seth Shostak from SETI on the air here, I think, in the next week or so, all the way from Arecibo.
		He'll be at Arecibo.
		And this is going to make one hell of a question for Seth.
		Don't you think?
		I sat and I brooded about this today.
		As you read the article from the NASA site, and I'll have Keith get a copy or a link up for you in a few minutes.
		And if you just read the article, you don't even have to read in between the lines.
		Just read the lines as they flow and see for yourself.
		We may be sitting on an incredible story here.
		Just absolutely incredible.
		The signal that we've been searching so hard for and looking so far for may be right here right now.
		And it may have been put there long, long ago.
		Meant for our discovery when the time was right.
		Pretty incredible.
		Hey, listen, on the website, artbell.com right now.
		I'm going to tell you more about this when I get back.
		But some very kind listener, you know, when I was young, I was stupid, really, I mean, dumber than I am now, and by far.
		And I used to do really stupid things, like I once held the world's record for continuous broadcasting, you know, DJing, top 40 rock and roll type radio.
		I did that, oh God, for a lot of my life, actually.
		And on the island of Okinawa, I held one record for consecutive hours of broadcast.
		And then one day, sitting around the office, somebody said, well, you know, your first world record worked out so well for the station and for everything else.
		Let's try it again, Art.
		And so we all sat down and tried to figure out the best world's record that I could try and go after.
		Killing myself, right?
		And so we came up with the world's record for seesawing.
		Now, remember, this is tropical Okinawa, right?
		Sun beats down, humidity is through the roof.
		It's unbearable outside during the day, the island of Vokina.
		And so I got on the seesaw.
		I'll tell you more about it.
		Pictures up on the website.
		This guy sent in a photo from all those years ago.
		Be right back.
unidentified		Be right back.
		And pretty soon all my troubles will pass.
		Cause I mean shoo shoo shoo Shoo shoo shoo Shoo shoo shoo shoo shoo Shut it down.
		I never had a dog that liked me some.
		Never had a friend that wanted one.
		So I just laid back and laughed at the sun.
		Cause I'm in sha shoe.
		Shh, shoo, shoo.
		Shush shoo shoo shoo.
		Shi the die.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are the place.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Friday night, Saturday morning.
		Weekend directly ahead for everybody.
		And coming up, top of the hour, Major Ed Dames, known affectionately by many as Dr. Doom.
		Well, okay.
		So, you know, I've been in radio all my adult life.
		And that's no lie.
		All my adult life.
		People think, you know, you just rush into being, you know, on a big network and having a big radio show.
		It doesn't quite exactly happen that way.
		I've been in radio actually all my life.
		And in commercial broadcasting from the moment, that would be when I was about 13.
		The moment I could finally hassle somebody into letting me into a radio station, I did, I drove people out of their minds.
		It's called persistence.
		Or you're absolutely nuts in pursuing something, and I was.
		Anyway, a few years into it, I was still really stupid about things, and I did 115 hours and 15 minutes straight on the air.
		Established a world record at the time.
		Then we endeavored to do another project.
		This time it was going to be seesawing out in the tropical sun on the island of Okinawan.
		The longest continued, I mean, you couldn't get off for a bathroom.
		You couldn't get off for anything.
		You had to stand seesaw, continuously seesawing stupidly for 55 hours and 15 minutes, I believe, was the time.
		And, you know, over the years, especially in radio, you tend to move around a lot.
		You lose all of the artifacts.
		Well, some fellow wrote to me and said, I was on the island of Okinawa, and Art, I saved this newspaper photograph of you on a seesaw.
		It's up on my website right now.
		It's the first time I've seen it in that many years.
		It was about 19, I think it was about 1968, something like that.
		And you will see me, even though it's very hard to scan a newspaper photograph, but he did do it.
		And I'm the one in the tie, short-sleeve white shirt and a tie on a seesaw on the island of Okinawa, just to the east of China and, of course, to the southeast of Japan, where I spent so much time.
		And you'll see, it says, assault on seesaw record underway.
		Art Bell, world record holder for Marathon Disc Jockeying, began his challenge to the World Seesawing Record Monday in the backyard of the RSC building, or BC building, rather, that's RyuCube Broadcasting, in Naha.
		He and his companion, Marine Lance Corporal Joe, and it goes on and on.
		And then we had a couple Navy guys challenge us.
		And so that you might know how this came out, the two Navy guys passed out from heat prostration about two-thirds of the way through it.
		They fell off.
		They actually fell off and were taken away in ambulances while I continued with my Marine friend and broke another world's record.
		It was really stupid.
		You only do those stupid kind of things when you're really young.
		And you will see I had a special seesaw marked KSBK.
		Those were the call letters in Ohio.
		But that's on the website.
		And so God bless this nice man, Michael.
		His name is up there for sending this in, for keeping it all of those years and for sending it in.
		Absolutely remarkable.
		And also tonight's webcam photo, you will notice me proudly sporting a Raiders t-shirt.
		I'm a big-time Raiders fan.
		In fact, all Raiders fans know this year the Raiders were robbed from going to the Super Bowl.
		Literally, absolutely, without question, totally robbed, my opinion, from going to the Super Bowl.
		A call.
		It was a very, very, very bad call.
		Anyway, this t-shirt was sent to me by Raymond Batista, who's a cancer survivor at age eight.
		Raymond, thank you, my friend.
		We share enthusiasm, of course, for the same team.
		That was very, very nice of Raymond, and I think that a number of the Raiders players have come to see Raymond.
		So, yo, Raymond, thank you very much.
		Your t-shirt is sported on my webcam this evening.
		Okay, here we go.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
unidentified		Yes, this is Dean calling from Tampa, Florida.
		Yes.
		You had spoke of the possible beacon on Jupiter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, beacon was their word.
unidentified		All right.
		I think it opens up a whole, yet, again, a imagination and also maybe even speculation on what could possibly happen, sir.
		I've always thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you did see 2001, didn't you?
		Yes, sir.
		Dave?
		Exactly.
		So what if all this time the beacon, the obelisk, the whatever you want to call it, emitting these X-rays really is just right there on Jupiter?
		I mean, what a hell of a question for Seshosak.
unidentified		Well, you know, it'd be ironic because we actually go there and discover what it is, and it turns out to be a television antenna that was somebody we're just, you know, actually sending our signal to some other planet far off, and we're just winding up to be yet on another network.
unidentified		We're probably just another channel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, either way, sir.
		The fact of the matter is that if that was a reception antenna, then we've got the same enormous story, don't we?
		If that's a receiving antenna, ludicrous as that sounds, it's not because it is transmitting.
		But even if it were a receiving antenna, that would mean there would be something out there to receive.
		Same big story.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hi, Art Bob.
		Gainesville, Florida, 973 the Sky.
		Yes, sir.
		Two quick points.
		One is you made the Jupiter connection with 2001.
		Let me just add to that.
		And then I have one other question.
		Richard C. Hoagland thinks that Arthur C. Clarke knows a lot more than he is saying, yes.
		So maybe you could ask Richard next time he's on if there's something there.
		Because there's a beacon on Jupiter in that story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, gee, whiz, what could emit gigawatts of power on a regular basis?
		What could do that?
		Let's think.
		What could do that?
		Well, they don't know, and I certainly don't know.
unidentified		I don't know either.
		I have one other question for you, Arthur.
		Yes.
		Know in the past situation, is there any other expert that you could find to discuss reverse speech?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		You never know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		Maybe.
		Could it be a beacon that was designed to be found that we have been just putting off to some sort of a natural phenomena, weird, totally weird, but unknown?
		now they really don't know I All of their words, beacon, ET, all of the words used on the NASA website.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
		Hi, this is Maureen from San Diego.
		Yes.
		Hi, again.
		I watched the Maury Povich show today, and they were talking about ghosts.
		Oh.
		And huh?
		Yes.
		And they did some EVP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, did they?
unidentified		Yes, and I taped the show, and I transferred it onto my cassette tape.
		Right.
		And would you like to hear some of it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
		You're not allowed to play it over there.
		Those things, dear, are copyrighted, so we couldn't play it without their permission.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How was it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty good EVP?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's electronic voice phenomena.
		And we do that, as you know, from time to time here on the air.
		And we're going to do it again soon.
		And We're also going to look perhaps at other sources of electronic voice phenomena because it is being done by some very serious groups.
		We've got one of the best that comes on this program.
		But it's pretty important stuff.
		I mean, if there really is communication coming from the other side.
		And it really is being captured, then it deserves an extremely serious look.
		And we continue to look at it, and we're going to look at it with others as well.
		First time call our line.
		You're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
		Hello.
		This is Gerald in Hamilton, Ontario.
		Hey, Judah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Gerald, how are you?
unidentified		I'm very good.
		I'm glad to finally get through to you.
		I got one thing if you would like to hear about a personal documented OBE.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		OBE.
unidentified		Out-of-body experience.
		Yes.
		And first I watched that Maury Povic show.
		It was great.
		It was great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, do you agree then that further investigation of EVP is something that we ought to do on this program, right?
unidentified		Oh, it should be done because I know many years ago I had a personal experience with a ghost with my late wife, and it freaked me out, and I had people come in and test it.
		But that's not the story I want to tell.
		That I'll tell you another time.
		But about my out-of-body experience, can I mention a doctor's name who's now deceased?
		Yes.
		Yeah.
		Well, 25 years ago, I was out in Vancouver, British Columbia, and I had extreme pain in my right side near my stomach.
		And I went into the emergency hospital there, and they diagnosed me as having cancer, and they said, you have to have it taken out, or you'll die.
		So I said, okay.
		They said, you got a 40% chance of coming out alive.
		I said, fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Out of the operating room?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		So I was in excruciating pain.
		I said, that's it.
		I want it done.
		So I went into the operating room a few hours later.
		And all of a sudden, my spirit or whatever started to come out of through my top of my body, like my shoulders and my head area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did this occur?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you were actually under the knife?
unidentified		When I was under the knife.
		Oh, okay.
		And I looked, and I saw on my right, towards my shoulder, Dr. Musgrove, and then on my right again to his right, I saw Dr. Martinson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And what was funny, and I started to yell, get back, and nobody heard me.
		And I saw this other doctor on my left watching, and I saw his name tag, and it said Dr. Wong.
		And I had never met him before.
		I had met the other two doctors.
		And all of a sudden, I felt this thump, thump, and I yelled, get back, get back, twice, and nobody heard me.
		And then slowly I started to slide back in and to my body.
		And I came out of the surgery and I told my head surgeon, Dr. Martinson, who's now deceased, about it.
		And he said, well, actually you had died for a minute and a half and we had to revive you with electrical treatments to bring you back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that was the little thump, thump that started you back.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my, my, my, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did he react to the fact that you were able to name the doctor that you could not have known was in the room?
unidentified		Well, what freaked me out is I told him I saw this Dr. Wong on my left.
		He says, who is he?
		He says, how do you know him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		I says, I don't know him.
		I saw him.
		I saw his name tag on his green uniform, and it said Dr. Wong.
		And he says, well, he was just called in.
		He was a cancer specialist.
		He was waiting to do the biopsy.
		And they removed a tumor the size of a softball baseball from me.
		And since then, I've had five other cancer operations without an OBE.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you are still here.
unidentified		I'm still here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any question in your mind whatsoever about what happened to you?
unidentified		No, there was no question at all.
unidentified		Because a friend of mine who helped look after me, I had to have a colostomy for nine months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And my friend Winston, he helped look after me.
		He lived in the rooming house.
		And I told him about it when I came home from the hospital.
		And he says, oh, I'm a member of this organization.
		And I specified, like I talked about this for about four or five years.
		And he said, I'm a member of this group that believe in all this stuff.
		I says, well, I believe in it.
		I experience it.
		So he asked me to come and speak.
		And there was like about maybe 80 or 90 people there at this auditorium.
		And he got me to speak.
		And I told my story.
		And like people asked me, well, what was it like?
		And I said, it was just calm.
		It was calm.
		I wasn't scared.
		And what was funny, when I woke up out of it, I didn't have any pain.
		All I felt was this thing on my side.
		And there was a nurse knitting when I come to.
		And she was on my side.
		And I started to freak out.
		And I said, what's this thing?
		And she called in Dr. Martinson.
		And he told me the story of what had been done and said, I've got to carry this bag for maybe a year or two, which I only had to carry for nine months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, okay.
		Well, listen, sir.
		I really, really appreciate it.
		It's a pretty typical experience that people have with clinical death.
		And we'll do another one of these stories, another one of these shows, devoted to those who have clinically died soon, very soon.
		We'll do an open lines night for those who have clinically died.
		It's really, you know, of all the questions that we deal with, and we deal with some mighty interesting questions on this program.
		Whether or not there is, in fact, life after death, I think is the most important question for all of mankind.
		I mean, even beyond speculating about life on other planets and in other systems, considering the mortal length of time that we spend here on the planet, whether the consciousness, the spirit, everything that we are continues after physical death is the single most important question in the world.
		And so things like electronic voice phenomena, things like we just heard from this man, stories we just heard from this man, and so many others that I've put on the air, are beginning to add up to be significant evidence.
		I mean, perhaps even incontrovertible evidence at some point in their totality that there is an afterlife.
		Pretty interesting from my point of view.
		Very interesting.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, I got a question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, ask away.
unidentified		Okay, I called this show twice.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And the first time I talked to Barbara Simpson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The second time I talked to George.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and the third time you got me.
unidentified		Third time I got you, is this Art Bell?
		Yes.
		Oh, it is.
		Yes, yes, yes.
		I got a question.
		This is Truth Radio, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ask your question, sir.
unidentified		The question I have is last night you had a lady on there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And she was talking about healing, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Now, my question is, on this healing thing, if somebody comes along with a cure for every virus, bacteria, and parasite on the face of the earth, and it's easy less than a few bucks for any person to do without any side effects whatsoever, what would happen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'd be killed immediately, sir.
unidentified		Do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Why would you think that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, please.
unidentified		No, this is for real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, for real, I'll give you the answer.
		Okay.
		All the pharmaceutical companies that produce all the remedies for all the colds and flus and viruses and things that you talked about, what kind of money do you think they make every year?
unidentified		Billions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon?
unidentified		Billions of dollars?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Billions and billions of dollars, yes, sir.
unidentified		Agreed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Billions and billions of dollars.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what would they do with the person who discovered the cure for everything and makes their products totally obsolete?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, listen, use your imagination.
unidentified		Right.
		And see, I've looked really in-depth into this, and I've thought about that, and it seems like more people would get hurt than would get cured.
		Does that make sense?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The world would never find out about it because this person would be dead.
unidentified		Do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
unidentified		That's not true.
unidentified		Well, I have several people around me that have seen what I can do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, let's stop talking in the third person, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you saying that you've got this?
unidentified		I have got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, but you have not yet, A, proven it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have not yet been recognized and seen by these large corporate giants that I'm talking about.
unidentified		Oh, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
		Oh, no.
		No, I don't think so.
		Otherwise, you'd be dead.
unidentified		Well, I'll tell you what.
unidentified		I've had a lot of stuff happen in my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we all have, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Life is long, you know.
unidentified		Okay, it's this easy.
unidentified		The pyramids on Mars, the pyramid's on the face of the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Now, the pyramid in Giza represents the dead center of all land mass on the face of the earth.
unidentified		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know about that.
unidentified		Okay, now on the back of the $1 bill, you see a pyramid with an eye on the top.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Now, the pyramid that's over in Giza is one-third the distance from the equator to the North Pole.
		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does all this have to do with the cure for every disease in the world?
		Okay, now if you take a rush of water and you stick it in a one-foot pyramid.
		In a one-foot pyramid, yes.
unidentified		In a one-foot pyramid, one-third the distance of the height from the pyramid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And it's aligned right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And you take that glass of water out a day or two later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then drink it?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		And you take, and you've got a handful of warts, and you dip your hand into it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the warts just then go away?
unidentified		Warts or virus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, I've got you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, so pyramid power, he's saying, used over a glass of water will, he said, cure warts and or every other virus.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, how come the Egyptians led such relatively short lives?
		I'm wondering.
		If that is true.
		I mean, what was the average lifespan of a human being during the time that the Egyptians ran everything?
unidentified		Huh?
unidentified		Damn!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not very long.
unidentified		Nothing.
		Uh-huh.
		Yeah.
		What is it going for?
		Absolutely nothing.
		Hell, can you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Dave, who's coming up next, otherwise known affectionately as Dr. Dean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Dutton.
unidentified		I want to be inspired, cause it means the strong sense of this life.
		Won't be a chance, cause I was a mother's eye, when I struggled to fight and lose their life.
		I said, war!
		Good God, y'all.
		What is it for?
		Absolutely nothing.
		Say it again.
		Wow.
		If I'm being alone, I'll be the same room, and I'll be the same room, and I'll be the same.
		Where I'm going, no, now that I'm going to fall.
		You can't know, running ball and hit the ball.
		You can't know, running ball and hit the ball.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The song is dedicated to my last caller, Last Hour.
unidentified		Falling down the spiral, that's the message on all.
		I'm the best messenger.
		Oh, can't get no connection.
		Can't get through.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, everybody.
		Coming up in a moment, the world's foremost remote viewing teacher, Edward A. Dames, Major U.S. Army retired now, creator of the technical remote viewing and co-creator of Mind Dazzle.
		An original member of the U.S. Army Prototype Remote Viewing Training Program, he subsequently served as a training and operations officer for the Defense Intelligence Agency's Psychic Intelligence Collection Unit, currently serves as executive director for the Matrix Intelligence Agency, a private consulting group, affectionately known as Dr. Doom, because he was willing to look at things on out of ways that others simply would not look at.
unidentified		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have read Major Ed Dame's military record stem to stern.
		He sent it to me a few years ago when people questioned, well, did he really do that?
		Well, yes, he did.
		I've read his entire military record.
		He did indeed do exactly what he said he did.
		And he is a remote viewer.
		It is, I know, redundant for many of you, but it is important because we have new listeners all the time.
		And people will inevitably blast away and say, what the hell is remote viewing?
		I don't even know what remote viewing is.
		So the quick explanation of what remote viewing is, Major Ed Dames.
		Major, welcome to the program.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Lord.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our military had a 20-year program dedicated to remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So tell us what it is.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's systematic clairvoyance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Systematic clairvoyance.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And it was $20 million of tax money that went into developing the model for this systematic clairvoyance.
		And the model had to be such that it was a trainable tool.
		It's the difference between natural psychics and remote viewers.
		A natural psychic can't train someone else to do what she or he can do.
		A remote viewer can be trained because this is an innate ability.
		So we systematize this innate ability in such a way that a newly trained remote viewer can be 80 to 90 percent accurate describing a remote target.
		Remote target being a person, a place, a thing, or an event.
		That's the business that I'm in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in the business I'm in, you know, doing talk shows, I deal with many, many topics.
		Remote viewing is one of those topics that I've closed in on as being dead flat real.
		No question about it.
		I've passed that mark a long time ago.
		You know, I wondered like a lot of people do about this kind of thing in the beginning, but I've interviewed you so many times, so many, in fact, almost I think every remote viewer involved in the program.
		So the threshold of belief for me was passed a long time ago.
		I absolutely know this is real.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Art, I have a question.
		It's a question I've asked before, but I think I'll ask it one more time of you.
		You seem to be hesitant or reticent about me giving you at least a crash course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Why is that again?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		The answer to the question, Ed, is because right now I have some in-laws that are pregnant.
		They're having twins, Ed.
		Going to have twins.
		They don't want to know whether it's a boy or a girl.
		I mean, you can do the amniocentesis, find out real quick.
		In fact, all you got to do is ask them.
		They've already done it, really, with twins.
		And they'll just tell you what you're going to have, but they don't want to know.
		And so that's why, Ed, there are a lot of things I would like to know or I would pursue about myself and my future, but I don't want to know.
		I would want to know, for example, when I'm going to die, but I don't want to know.
		That's the answer to that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I say that that's something really that pushes the envelope to our capability.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So that's difficult for us to do anyways.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, just as a general principle to give you, there are a lot of things about even my future right now that I don't want to know.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's a good answer, Art.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I accept that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a truth.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I accept it.
		But much of what we do is not future-related or predictive.
		We, of course, come from an arena where predictive intelligence is so very important, especially establishing a potential enemy's intent.
		Of course.
		But much of what we do in our work is not future-related.
		It's current time, and this is an information collection skill, very highly accurate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is where you went down a little bit different path than some of the other remote viewers.
		And that's why, to me, you are so interesting, because you're not afraid to look downline.
		They were consumed with the everyday work of looking at what's happening today or where somebody or something is today.
		Somewhere along the line, you decided to start looking into the future, which is one of the things remote viewing can do, and that makes you a really interesting cat.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think the show is going to be interesting tonight, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No doubt.
		I know that we've tasked you with a number of projects, which we're going to get into tonight.
		But, you know, I want to task you with one if I can.
		Sure.
		I mean, the most incredible story that I've had in a while now, and I get some pretty incredible stories, would be this pulsing X-ray story from Jupiter.
		Now, it's not just me.
		I mean, I could have added these words on my own after reading the story.
		You know, scientists are puzzled at a gigawatt signal coming from the North Pole of Jupiter.
		That's interesting enough by itself.
		Imagining without the scientific quotes I've got, there might be some natural explanation for this.
		But, God, in this NASA thing, they're using words like beacon.
		Beacon is used.
		Now, that's an important word, beacon.
		And let's see, what else do they use?
		ET-type signal.
		That's an important phrase, too.
		And, you know, it's from the Mouse babes here at NASA.
		In other words, what the hell is on Jupiter sending out a regular signal?
		Now, there's a good project for you, Ed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's an extremely interesting project.
		And it took me 10 years to train the best team in the world, and we'll take a look at that.
		If it is something like a geophysical event, a geophysical phenomenon, or an epiphenomenon of something geophysical, it's actually, it can be difficult for us to put that together.
		We have to go to experts and say, well, let me give you an example.
		Are you familiar with the term sprites?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am indeed.
		Sprites are these things, I believe, seen coming from space during lightning strikes, aren't they?
		Is it like a reverse lightning strike going up?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		You could think about it.
		Actually, no, they're red and blue flashes in the upper atmosphere.
		Okay, right.
		This phenomenon has stumped geophysicists for many, many years.
		And we, as remote viewers, looked at that phenomenon and attempted to piece together the pieces of the puzzle.
		And because members of my team are not physicists or just very highly skilled observers, and this is a geophysical phenomenon that deals with oxygen and nitrogen being raised above ground state and then falling back to ground state and giving off quanta of light in their respective frequencies, blue and red.
		It was difficult for us as non-physicists to put together the picture.
		So we had to actually sit down with physicists and say, this is what's happening.
		As opposed to if we're dealing with a mechanism that was built by intelligent beings, that is a far easier task for us to do because we don't have to get down at the atomic and molecular level to describe what's inside the electron cloud and those kinds of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the scientists in this story originally believed that it was some sort of incredible aurora effect discharge, but now they say no.
		So if the answer to that is no, and this really is a signal, then, you know, it at least has a possibility, Ed, of being regular like that, of being, gosh, of being some sort of beacon, Ed, some sort of beacon.
		The implications of that, 2001 time.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll be talking about, it's ironic, paradoxical, although nothing surprises me anymore, that we will be talking about something like that tonight on your show, something that my team has found very, very unique, wonderful thing connected with my Institute's Project Starman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I mentioned here before that it appears from our work that based upon tracking UFOs and just describing life in the cosmos, because remote means just that, remote viewing, the universe is teeming with life, as we know.
		And Project Starman dealt with contact.
		And our assumption was, based upon our remote viewing work, that we could build something, a beacon, or a, let's say, a passive corner reflector, something that would attract and possibly lead to contact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It had something to do with lasers, didn't it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We thought it had to do with lasers.
		We thought it had to do with a couple of other things, and we were prepared to build it, except one thing happened.
		We found out that all of our work that described this mechanism, and we have tons of work, probably actually two yards, linear yards of remote viewing sessions, 45 minutes, two hours each.
		It is not describing something that we built.
		It's describing something that's already on the planet.
		And this was a great surprise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Very great surprise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Already here?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Already here.
		It's unique.
		There's one of a kind, and we are now hunting it.
		But half the hunt is over.
		We know where it is on the ground, and now it's a matter of...
		It's totally, it's as incomprehensible, figuratively speaking, as the monolith in Stanley Kubrick's movie 2001 was to those apes.
		It's that where we're going anyway, because it's there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's here on Earth, and it was placed on Earth by others.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We think it was placed on Earth by our progenitors, the progenitors of the planters.
		Whoever put us here, we think it belongs to them, and it was meant to be found.
		It may be that it's something that's meant to be found at the end of each age or found when it's found.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, it's exactly the same thing then, because most of the heavyweight theoretical physicists and people like that, the Michio Kakus of the world, they think the most practical way to make contact,
		as it were, would be beacons that would be left in places like, say, on Jupiter or right here on Earth, some kind of something that would be left and discovered when the civilization thought to be budding at the time reached the point technologically where they could and would discover it and or get to it.
		So it's commonly thought to be the way contact might occur.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It seems to be something like that.
		Although we believe, of course we're biased in our work, especially the Matrix Intelligence Agency team is biased.
		We believe that remote viewing, this kind of mind tool, and that's all it is, a mind tool, was the required method to be able to discern what this is and to find it.
		That we had to reach a point where, well, for instance, I think it's easy for you to see that if I had never seen you before in person and I see you, I might immediately, because of my cultural conditioning and biological programming, draw assumptions about what kind of a person you are, right?
		And I think that if we use if I remote view you, remote viewing is direct knowledge by going to your deep mind, which I would not do because it's not ethical, just because one has a specialized skill I don't think gives one uh the the right to be able to employ it.
		But if we did, uh we would see who you what you what kind of character you you really possess and and know much more about you.
		And then when I saw you in person, uh it the the the way you physically appear uh would not would not make so so much of a difference uh to us.
		And we think that if, for instance, if let's say they land and they look for they're the ferengi or they and uh they or they look like uh some something that is not uh very tasteful in terms of human aesthetics but they have good hearts, let's say, metaphorically, we wouldn't be able to get past the superficial surface of an intelligent being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We would definitely kill lizards.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Something like that, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So that's why I think that first using first using this tool to discern who we are in contact with is probably a good development.
		It's probably something that you would want that the planter whoever put us here would want us to develop prior to actual contact.
		So we're going to give it a try.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, you don't have any idea what these cattle mutilations are, do you?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you happen to hear last night's program first hour?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I did.
unidentified		Oh, you did.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good, good.
		I have great respect for Dr. Kelleher.
		I think he's brilliant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Solid reporting.
		I mean, this is serious stuff, Ed.
		There's no answer to it, or at least there's no answer that certainly we know of.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm going to give you an answer.
		You may not like it, but I'm going to give you an answer because this has been the cattle mutilation phenomenon has stumped us, stumped us ever since I tasked my military remote viewers, the military's team, against these kinds of things.
		In fact, we used to have scientists under the table bring me as operational.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ed, was that official tasking from the military?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was not.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, but you know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I say that because a lot of people think the military is involved.
		So if they're tasking remote viewers or were to find out what the hell it was, then obviously they're not involved.
		So it was unofficial.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, during the McCarthy era, I could see something like that happening where a short shrift was given to the rights of American citizens, although I think we're entering into those kinds of dark ages again soon.
		But right now, could you see someone like Colin Powell, who I worked for as a military officer on some very deep black projects?
		Could you see someone like him authorizing a military team for whatever reason to kill the animals belonging to private ranchers in America?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only if they had a really, really good reason, Ed.
		Hold on, we're at the bottom of the hour.
		We're also going to talk about the nature of time.
		Time.
unidentified		Time.
unidentified		Time, time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, I got a call from the producer of the new movie, The Time Machine.
		I'm going to try and get him here on the air for you.
		From the high desert, little town called Perup, Nevada.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Sign, sign, sign, sign.
		We want to come with me.
		I looked around all my possibilities.
		I was so hard to see.
		I looked around all my possibilities.
		Some building morning without stream.
		I'm gonna open up your gate and maybe tell you about me how she gave me life,
		how she made it very much.
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		It is indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Major Ed Dames is my guest, and we're about to find out, even though I might not like it, you might not like it, what cattle mutilations are all about.
		I didn't even know that Ed knew, or perhaps it was some previous task long ago.
		I didn't know he knew, but apparently he does, so stand by for that.
		Animals with big parts of their bodies, even major parts, cored out, sharp implements.
		No footsteps, careful forensic examination, no footsteps, no devil group doing it, no explanation, lots of UFO sightings or sightings of craft in and mixed in with these mutilations.
		So if Ed knows what this is all about, Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Appearances can be deceiving, aren't?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So remember the Wizard of Oz, where Dorothy et al.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		were very frightened of these visages and these illusions that were created by the wizard at a distance?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And then they stumbled upon the wizard's lair, pulled the curtain back, and there he was caught him in the act.
		Well, that's what remote viewing at the expert level can do.
		It can look at the wizard pulling the strings and say, we see you.
		And then things change.
		But what we have with regard to cattle mutilations appears to be that at an extremely advanced level, and I'll get into the details in a moment.
		Dr. Kelleher tasked me and my team with the Northeast Utah case, this CAF, about a year ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
		I had no idea that had been done.
		No idea.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he asked me to take a look because they were stymied.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And usually at a tactic of desperation, people, whether it's the Department of Defense or scientific community or law enforcement, comes to remote viewers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Anything, any port in a storm.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So otherwise, you lose a lot of sleep, and you may lose a lot of sleep for the rest of your life because you can live and die and not know, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		With remote viewing, you can know.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And so we set about to attempt to discern using our methods and techniques what in this specific case, that particular calf, that one that was butchered virtually under the noses of the ranchers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		What went down that particular morning?
		And I mentioned on your show once, although I don't think I told you that Dr. Kellher had tasked us with this particular case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you didn't.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The calf was described the calf in a space.
		We didn't know where the space was.
		The calf was euthanized and was being desanguinated.
		That means drained the blood under a partial pressure environment.
		And the blood was drained out of the body with the heart still beating.
		And then it was ripped apart and dropped back down in a vicinity of where it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you skipped over the picked up part.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean it was picked up by a craft?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, I use the term craft loosely.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Right now we can call it a craft for a moment, although I'm going to explain in detail what I mean by that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it was picked up by something.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it was picked up by something not belonging to us down here.
		And it went into a space, into a chamber.
		We sketched it in a chamber where it was being desanguinated.
		The blood was drained off like it would if it were in space or under any partial pressure.
		The heart was still beating, and then it was opened up and ripped apart, just like it would in a butcher shop and dropped back down.
		Now, many mutilations are this way.
		Okay?
		But here is the clincher.
		There's two more parts to this that are important.
		Now let's get into the mechanics of how this went down.
unidentified		Sure.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There is a system out there.
		I don't want to get into the system right now.
		But the system is able to not project like the Wizard of Oz, not project an image, but do more than that.
		Much more than that.
		You're familiar with how directed energy works at our primitive Neanderthal level, whether it's a charged particle beam, high-power microwave laser, whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am, yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Now think of taking a beam like that and projecting it somewhere and then programming the beam so that it could assemble atoms of, let's say, nitrogen, oxygen, anything that it finds in the vicinity, let's say in the air, and make whatever you wanted it to make.
		A knife, a craft, a device, anything.
		Something that looks like a flying saucer or an aircraft or a black helicopter.
		But it's solid art.
		Solid.
		It's made out of solid atoms.
		The atomic structure, at least momentarily until the projector is turned off, is a solid thing.
		It's programmed to operate a certain way.
		In this case, it's programmed to suck up, lift up a tractor beam, this calf, slice and dice it, and drop it back down.
		And then, poof, this craft is gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this craft is literally created in the space that it appears for the purpose that we just talked about.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		In this particular case, yes.
		In other cases, the projector beam or the directed energy beam or the space is programmed to do other things, different things.
		But in this case, the cap, it's designed to slice it up, butcher it, and drop it back down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A million obvious questions.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		You notice that the dog ran away.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The rancher's dog was so terrorized, it took off and did not come back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it either took off and didn't come back or also went to the craft and didn't come back.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it took off in another direction, and we lost track of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It just kept going, huh?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it just kept going.
unidentified		Okay, well, hovering up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A million questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, then, did you go on then and look at the intelligence behind the projection?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We look at the message.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The message, okay?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But it's the message.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We're trying, our scientific community is trying to make sense out of this, and we never will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I asked Colum about the message, and he said he seemed to think it might be that, look, we can do whatever we want, anytime we want, anywhere we want, period.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's not the message, though.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's a given.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think the message is?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Butchery.
		Butchery.
		Butchery?
unidentified		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's an act of butchery.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Anyone would agree with that, correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's an act of butchery, but I mean, we would like to believe, I think, there's some intelligent motivation behind it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, environmental testing, something.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, it's simply to show us butchery, the idea that we are butchers.
		We are butchers.
		Now, the calf was destined to die anyway.
		It was going to go into a hamburger or something else like that.
		But the point is, and one of the other instances that Colm was talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, that's not good at all, Ed.
		Just to show us that we are butchers?
		Oh, that's not good.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Colm talked about another instance, and in fact, that's on the National Institute for Discovery Science website.
		You can see an eyeball on another case.
		The eyeball of the cow has been removed and is looking back at a butchered animal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct, yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		But the point that's being made here is that we have turned into butchers, and we're being cloyed about that.
		It is not like we slaughter an animal and say prayers and are appreciative of that animal.
		Most people who are bitten into a hamburger, some people have never even seen the cow, the cow.
		People who grow up in the city have never seen anything other than a picture of what makes the meat that they're biting into.
		There's no respect for life.
		There's no appreciation for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if that's really the message, that's a really worrisome message, Ed, because that's the kind of message you send before you act.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if there's cause and effect here or if there's a concatenation of events.
		That particular message appears to be just one specific sign, and it is butchery.
		It's just meant to say this is butchery, and what you're doing is butchery, and there's no respect or regard for life.
		And we're going to rip this thing apart the same way you do in the slaughterhouse, and then show you, to your horror, you know, what it looks like to remind you of what you have become.
		Butchers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We're being cloyed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We're becoming hardened and inured to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you were right when you said I wouldn't like it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And that's how the system out there looks at us and wants to show us that way.
		It doesn't land on the White House lawn and say, you guys are butchers.
		It uses these physical metaphors and allegories this way.
		And there's many more of them that are out there in terms of phenomenology and enigma.
		And I think it's best, let's say 2,500 years ago, it's written in the Bible about Enoch, whose eyes were anointed by angels.
		And Enoch was allowed to see into the future and saw everything, saw the wars and the horror of the things that mankind inflicts upon his fellow man.
		And was able to tolerate that, except for one thing that he was not able to tolerate.
		Enoch said, please don't show me anymore.
		I can't stand this.
		In fact, I won't be able to live another day unless you, the angels or God, whoever anointed his eyes, shows him a point.
		There's one thing that Enoch couldn't stand.
		He saw the earth in agony.
		And Enoch says, you must show me a time when the earth will no longer be in agony.
		And so the God said, okay, take a look at this.
		Enoch said, okay, now I can go back to work.
		So it wasn't the war and the horror of that.
		It was the horror and the agony that this man was feeling that he could not feel, if his eyes were not anointed, that the earth was undergoing this kind of agony.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you asked me why I might not want to look ahead.
		All right, we've got a lot to cover, Ed.
		I'm going to be thinking a long time about what you just said about kettle mutilations.
		Mark Hazelwood and many others have, going back to Sitchin and others, have always talked about a tenth planet.
		This is going to be another task if you don't have anything to tell me on it right now.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Can I back up just one more moment?
		Yes.
		When I train people in my art, it's important that they can discriminate emotions that are present at remote sites and to know, to discriminate between their own emotions, the students' own emotions, and the emotions that are present at a distant target, if there are any.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not easy.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, my hardest students are dentists and doctors.
		Because if you're a dentist and you're inflicting pain over and over again, let's say you're a pediatric dentist, and you're inflicting pain, even though you know that in the end the child will be better off for it, you still have to inure yourself to the child's pain.
		And unconsciously, you develop this very thick skin.
		You become a callous unwittingly.
		And I have a very difficult time breaking through that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I went to a dentist just like that when I was young.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		They don't mean to, but they have to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		13 cavities.
		Moreover, I think he was smiling underneath.
		I think he enjoyed it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So we seem to, it's okay to be able to burn and to incinerate 12 million head of cattle, let's say, in England alone and dump their remains into the sea just because they have a disease and think nothing of it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But the Earth itself feels that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, going back to Sitchin and others, so many others, they've talked, you know, to me, it always resembled like a fable, this tenth planet or maybe burned-out sun or whatever it is that might be out there and might every now and then come by Earth and sort of do a reset, a giant reset, killing most life.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		De Gauss and reboot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That de Gauss and Reboot, yep.
		But, you know, then there was this ABCNews.com story that we had up on the website suddenly signed to saying, well, by God, we may have found either a tenth planet or a burned-out sun.
		We're not sure which, and we're not ready to name it yet, but it's way, way out there beyond the orbit of Pluto.
		And I read that story and went, oh, my God, maybe the myth is not a myth.
		It would really be useful for many of us to know if this, whatever it is, really is out there and is on some long-period rotation that brings it by our sun and our earth and wreaks havoc every 4,000 years, 3,600 years, whatever, I think you could look into that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We have already, Art.
		And I stand by our earlier work.
		Hurst that Sitchin is correct.
		He was a voice in the wilderness.
		But we see in our lifetime, and I can go into the background if you want, but the long story made short is this.
		This body, right now we're looking at something, 2001KX76, that's International Astronomical Union's label on something that may be a candidate for Nibiru or Marduk or this passing space body, this tenth planet, 2001KX76.
		Heading our way.
		And it is indeed going to cause Earth to tip and to topple.
		And the biblical and the biblical, one-third of the fishes in the sea, one-third of the planets on land, one-third of people on Earth will die.
		This is what causes it, this guy, coming by and gets two swipes with us, right?
		One in the inbound and one as it swings around the sun and comes back.
		Which way it's going to get us or bold.
		It's going to pass by Earth so closely, the gravitational field, and this has not been the first time it happened.
		Sometimes it passes far enough away where it doesn't do that much historically.
		But there have been times where it has caused tremendous amounts of, has a tremendous effect on Earth that we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This next pass is going to be one of those times?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		This next pass will be one of those times.
		And that's why biblical prophets 2,500 years ago nominally could see this thing happening.
		It's such a big event.
		Mind yourself out of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying the city off the coast of Cuba was once, obviously, above water, and the last pass, or one of the passes, put it down there?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		That's what we're saying.
		That is what the gravity, this passing space body, the gravitational effect of this body, this tenth planet, if you will, passing in the inner solar system caused the Earth to not just precess, but wobble.
		And wobbled so badly that it inundated vast tracts of land and changed the geography tremendously.
		And in our lifetime, you and I will see this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I know timelines are the most difficult thing for remote viewers to nail down, but in this case, timeline would be really important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any help there?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The way we did it this time was not to...
		Mine is outside of time.
		If you think of time as a fourth dimension, mine looks down on this.
		And it is very difficult in our work to get dates.
		But what was happening over the last six or seven years is when we looked at a person's life, a lot of times in my class, when I teach this in a vocational and professional course, we'll take the student and we'll project their life forward on a trajectory that is the most fulfilling for that particular student in a number of different ways.
		Some are loosely defined.
		But about six years ago, everybody's trajectory, everyone's, started to be the same.
		And that was be underground.
		Not permanently, but be underground.
		No longer did we have a student who was looking at a better place to live, a majority.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying that everybody's trajectory began looking at the same thing, which was being underground.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Except for one man.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		One man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One man.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		His trajectory was put him in terms of a very fulfilling optimum life, put him on essentially a cruise ship, which is something he always wanted to do.
		And that was his trajectory.
		And he died six months after the course.
		He was 80-something years old.
		So his trajectory, he wasn't going to make it to see this event.
		And that was his optimum life projection right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how old or what age range are the people that you look at whose trajectory was common?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Anywhere from 21 years old to, I'd say, 65.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, gee, Ed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That means it's pretty soon.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'd say within the next decade or two is my guess.
		Possibly within the next couple of years.
		We're not sure.
		We're not sure.
		But it's on our watch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any way, as you look ahead, that you can determine when science will begin to go, oh, shoot?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or the equivalent of what pilots say as they go in, I'm told.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's too fast.
		what happens is this thing comes in like a bat out of hell into the solar system and Oh, yeah.
		Well, I think we'll have about three months.
		That's my guess, based upon talking to some astronomers.
		We'll have maybe three months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three months.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, three months.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And even then, the astronomers won't be able to gauge the effects of this thing as it comes by.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Ed, hold on.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		About three months' notice.
		Gee, for something that big, that means it does come in quickly.
		Well, I'm almost sorry I asked.
		Major Ed Ames, here's my guess.
		We have a lot of material to get through.
		The mystery rash, the fossilized tooth.
		The next target here on U.S. soil, the terrorists.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		The next target here on U.S. soil, the terrorists.
		The next target here on U.S. soil, the terrorists.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is Major Ed Babes.
		Known as Dr. Dune for obviously good reasons.
		Good morning, everybody.
unidentified		He teaches people to be remote viewers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll talk more about this hour for you.
		A lot of people want to know how they can do it.
		We will indeed tell you that.
		Stay right there.
		All right, once again, back to Major Ed Dames.
		Well, gee, you sure did just make my night with the whole Planet X thing, the 10th Planet.
		That was great, Ed.
		Just great.
		Let's move on.
		We still have to live day-to-day, no matter what may be downline.
		And in our day-to-day living, some pretty weird things are happening.
		For example, I'm getting, gosh, Ed, the CDC reported that they were looking for the source of this mystery rash that first appeared in schools.
		And then they said, well, gee, it's spread out to 14 states now.
		Well, I know even better than that because I'm getting thousands of emails, Ed.
		This damn thing, whatever it is, is in every state.
		It's everywhere.
		There's this horrible rash people are getting.
		Nobody knows what it is.
		It's a giant mystery.
		We did task you with this one, and I'm dying to know what you found out.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it wasn't this that you tasked me with.
		It was something else that we'll talk about.
		But we took this on as a project because we like to keep that razor's edge as remote viewers, as experts.
		And things like this break up the monotony of looking for terrorists and things like that.
		And it really is good to do this.
		I did it with my military team 19 years ago, and I do it now with a Matrix Intelligence Agency team.
		Otherwise, we fall into a rut.
		And so the novelty access of stimulus and these kinds of extracurricular projects are not difficult for us to do, and they break up the monotony.
		So that's why we took it on.
		We started with Chapman Elementary School in Sheridan, Illinois, which was where this rash allegedly started, before it started spreading.
		And when we conduct a matrix search, a search of the collective unconscious, these search terms are interpreted literally.
		It's just like you would go to a library and then submit a library card.
		The way we set up a search, the search terms are interpreted literally.
		And it's very specific.
		So we don't want to, if we were to just attempt to target the rash in general, well, we might get any number of different results in remote viewing sessions and never be able to establish exactly what is causing arrest because we may be looking at a number of different things, I guess.
		So we want a chain of custody, and we took only Chapman Elementary School where any reasonable person would say, yes, this rash appears to be the same that's in 14 states now.
		And, you know, the doctors and the Center for Disease Control were looking for environmental reasons.
		CDC, by the way, is mostly made up of virologists.
		So they're looking for viruses, of course.
		And we don't look for anything.
		We take the specific example, this rash, and we look at the cause or the origin or both.
		And in this case, it was pretty easy.
		In this particular example, the school's milk supply was tainted with a microbial toxin.
		It doesn't come from the cows.
		It came from a processing plant.
		So the source was a microbe.
		And the microbes were in the pipe somewhere in a processing plant in a milk factory.
		And that is what was tainting the milk.
		And the toxins, whether they were fungal or microbial in origin, we didn't go further than that, were causing that rash to break out on those sculpture.
		So it was the milk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The milk.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but the milk was tainted not because of the cow itself, Art.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It was the pipes in the processing plant were not clean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you think this will be found out?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Very quietly, uh-huh.
		And very quietly.
		It will all go away.
		You won't see it again, but it will all be real quiet for obvious reasons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
		What about the azillions of reports now of adults also getting this?
		I mean, how does it drink milk and milk products?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And some of the milk companies in the United States are very, very big.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just not as much as children.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Children get it at school all the time.
unidentified		It's part of the food pyramid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		All right.
		So that is our mystery rash, and you're saying it's just going to disappear, and we're not going to ever really know what you just told us.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's right, because it won't be hard to track this down eventually.
		It will not be hard.
		But when it's tracked down to a ver to very large, a very large supplier, I think it is probably in the best interest of everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Hush, hush.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's just the way it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it going to go on much longer?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
		All right, well, good.
		There's one good thing, anyway.
		Now, another project that you've taken on, I got this.
		I guess you heard it on the show or read about it on the website, but this man and his brother received from their father this tooth, this apparent human tooth.
		Now, how did they get the tooth?
		Well, the dad was a geologist for an oil company down in Louisiana, and his job was to break open core samples that were taken in this case, 4,300 feet below the surface of Louisiana.
		And, of course, they're looking for oil, but he would break the core sample open, and one day, in all these years of doing what he did, he broke open a core sample taken at 4,300 feet, and lo and behold, here's this human tooth, a tooth of a child.
		Now, it is a bit of a mystery, Ed, how a child's tooth could make it, you know, down 4,300 feet in the middle of a core sample.
		That's a pretty good mystery, I'd say, one worthy of the talents of a remote viewer.
		And you apparently decided to take it on.
		What have you found out?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, that one I was teaching at the remote viewing campus, just a couple minutes south of LAX.
		And it just so happens that one of my students is a former geologist.
		And when we teach new students, the students are not told what the target is.
		It's blind.
		If you're told the nature of the target, because unconscious is being trained to do all the work.
		You want to get conscious awareness out of the picture.
		If you're told what the target is, we call that front loading.
		So one of my new students started this off, and we had a couple of other remote viewers take a look at it, too.
		4,300 feet, core sample, geological artifact in an oil field.
		If that was a child's tooth, which is what dentists said it looks like, I would put it somewhere back in the Jurassic, I think.
		Children were roaming around with dinosaurs.
		Maybe they were pets, or maybe the dinosaurs had children as pets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Homo sapiens.
		But anyway, the artifact, it does look very much like a tooth.
		And according to the gentleman who is in possession of this artifact, he says that dentists visually think it is a tooth.
		But it's not.
		It is simply a volcanic origin.
		And if a qualitative analysis is done on this particular artifact and it has not been, it has to actually be scratched, it will be easy to see that it is simply volcanic rock and it is not a tooth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Voyager looks like a tooth.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, it does, but it's not art.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Volcanic rock just amazingly somehow, I suppose, as you would find a diamond just shaped that way.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Voyager did fool a couple of dentists real well.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think that would be pretty easy to do.
		People are easy.
		You know, there's lots of things like that out there.
		Our eyes play tricks on us.
		Our conditioning causes us to draw conclusions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I suppose that is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		But I thought it was neat because you never know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our brain always searches for an explanation.
		You know, it tries to take anything.
		It's like seeing images or faces in smoke.
		We try and make sense of it, and if we see something that vaguely makes sense to it, we assign it something.
		Well, it's a face.
		Look at that.
		It's a face.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		You need to bring closure, which is a big problem in the classroom where I teach you.
		That's your egoic mind attempting to suss out what you think is at the remote site.
		And we train students away from that.
		So they begin to recognize when they're doing that and also when their imagination is kicking in.
		They can hold on to that target and describe only the raw data, just the facts, ma'am, for 45 minutes straight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Tell us a little bit about Mind Dazzle.
		I want to give you a chance to plug Mind Dazzle and about your training, Ed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I've been teaching remote viewing for 19 years.
		I started out teaching the military team, including some of the original remote viewers.
		Mel Riley was my student.
		I personally selected the replacement for the Defense Intelligence Agency team, Gabrielle Pettingell.
		I trained her.
		And they're out and about these days.
		And I have been training since then.
		And I'm the director of the Technical Remote Viewing Institute at the Remote Viewing campus, about four minutes south of Los Angeles.
		And we teach vocational professional courses there.
		If anybody's interested, they can go to the website remoteviewing.la or they can go to the TRV Institute link at your website and that will give them any information.
		But we've distilled almost 20 years of knowledge about remote viewing into a kit and a very neat kit called Mind Dazzle, very beautiful kit put together by an Emmy Award-winning documentary educational video maker and an artist.
		It's got 200 sealed envelopes in it and a quick start guide.
		So right out of the box, five minutes after you're out of the box, you get to experience what remote viewing is all about, prove to yourself that it's real.
		And that's the kit that we made.
		And it is more fun than a barrel of monkeys.
		It's very non-plussing to the skeptics when they see, oh my God, they can do this.
		They just described a target that is referenced to a photograph in one of these 200 blank envelopes.
		And now you see, people, their minds are dazzled because they don't know how they did this.
		This is outside of their frame of reference.
		And so it's very interesting to watch people use Mind Dazzle for the first time, and all of a sudden their face turns red, and it's like, how did I do that?
		How did I do that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, I can tell everybody it is certainly extremely well produced.
		The reviews of Mind Dazzle have been right through the roof.
		And so people love it.
		They just absolutely love it.
		It's good to practice with.
		It's good for parties.
		It's good.
		It's just fun.
		And it will give you an idea of what sort of talents you have in this area.
		And you may surprise and shock yourself.
		So how much is Mind Dazzle and how do they get it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's $89.95.
		And they can order it on a toll-free number in Canada and the United States, 24-hour live operators.
		And the same number, if you want information about the workshops that I teach personally with my colleague F.M. Bonzahl in Los Angeles, I have monthly weekend workshops on the remote viewing campus.
		And the same number will get you information on both those things, Mindazzle and the workshops, and that's 1-800-441-8547.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		8547.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That number is good when?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		All the time.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Canada and the U.S. Even now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even now.
		1-800-441-8547.
		Is that correct?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Or you can simply go to remoteviewing.la and take it from there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, Ed, I recall that you told us that Osama bin Laden had orchestrated the attack on America, the 9-11 attack, from a bunker which was located in southern Afghanistan.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		In Kandahar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Kandahar, at a time when I had never heard of Kandahar.
		And then, of course, Kandahar became big news.
		You say you have done more work now on locating Osama bin Laden and know where he is now.
		Is that correct?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We're not doing a lot of work on that, but because there's no way to follow up on it, we can simply pass the information to the U.S. Special Operations Command like we did the original work.
		But it appears that he's still in, he's alive and well.
		It looks like he's in southwest Afghanistan.
		However, we are only putting an 80% likelihood on that.
		There is a 20% likelihood in terms of our data analytical techniques that he's in Tunisia or Algeria.
		But we think it's 80% that he's still in southwest Afghanistan.
		I've seen some far-out things lately.
		I saw a group of so-called remote viewers say he was in Bangladesh.
		And this is not expert remote viewing.
		This is just, you know, there's a lot of folks out there that think they know how to remote view, but unless you know what you're doing, there are pitfalls in abundance.
		But he is still alive.
		We can determine dead or alive in about five minutes.
		We can teach people how to do this in our workshops, too, our weekend workshops.
		But in terms of location, that does take an expert to put together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, Ed, what's your best information about his presentation?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'd have to continue that project.
		And by the time we, it would take us easily three weeks.
		I have an international team of the US.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The answer is you can't really tell us right now where he is.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, I cannot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, a lot of people think he's gone into Pakistan now and is being hidden by sympathizers in Pakistan.
		Some think he's still in Afghanistan.
		You're saying could be either way.
		What you do know, though, apparently is something about the next terrorist target here.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we much prefer to put it.
		Our resources are very limited.
		It takes a lot of time to do what we do.
		That's why we can't be used against real-time targets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A moving target is outside of its By the time you get a location, you could be long gone.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		But what we can do is establish targets on somebody's targeting list.
		And it appears that there is one al-Qaeda cell on the loose on the U.S. mainland.
		And the Bureau has not rolled these folks up yet.
		They're still out there.
		And we think, we firmly believe that they did not acquire an aircraft and were after a jet airliner and didn't make it.
		That this jet airliner was going to be crashed into a nuclear power plant on the west coast.
		And that was the target.
		But this was frustrated because the planes were grounded before they could get one into the air, hijack one and get it into the air.
		But they have been working, and they have come up with their own plan independent of any orders.
		They're cut off communications, but they're still looking at targets.
		And the one they're looking at right now, and the one that they have set their sights on, literally, is, can I say this in the air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's a hydroelectric power plant.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's not the dam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, we got news just recently that the government knew or strongly suspected, you know, at some point, that a 10-kiloton nuclear weapon was being brought into New York City.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, but I'm telling you, we know that that's not the case.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That is not true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've subsequently found that out, but they admitted they thought that.
		Ed, hold on, we're at the bottom of the hour.
		We'll be right back and continue from this point.
		Stay right there.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		You get a shiver in the dark.
unidentified		It's raining in the past.
		The meantime.
		Sound of the river.
		You stop and you hold everything.
		A band is blowing, Dixie.
		Double ball time.
		You feel all right when you hear the music great.
		Step inside, but you don't see too many faces.
		Step inside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so anyway, the answer really is yes, I want to know, because I guess we've heard it almost all by now.
		I mean, we all know that nuclear plants are a possible target and that planes actually flew over them on the way to the World Trade Center and the Pentagon flew right over nuclear plants, so they could be a target.
		Dams, we all know Boulder Dam is being protected.
		I think we all, most adults in this country understand that we have a lot of vulnerabilities in this country.
		And so naming a target that has been discerned through remote viewing can only have, in my opinion, positive consequences, meaning that something will be protected more heavily.
		Somebody will regard it as possible intelligence and look into it or whatever.
		So I can't see that naming what they think is going to be what they're planning from your point of view is a bad thing, Ed.
		What do you think?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would agree.
		And I've gotten very positive feedback on these projects from law enforcement.
		Very positive feedback indeed.
		So now, if you don't have a large kinetic energy instrument, such as an airliner or a missile, you're not going to be able to take out a dam or to breach the physical security on a reactor, a dome, obviously.
		So now you're stuck here on U.S. mainland.
		What do you do?
		You still have a mission, right?
		Mission is terror.
		And if your general mission is still to incapacitate a power plant, and that scares a lot of people, for instance, let's say you took out the Diablo Cannon nuclear power plant, which happened to be on a target list.
		That's 2 million people without power.
		That's scary because now you have shown, you've terrorized 2 million people plus.
		Anyway, current target is the Shasta Dam and power plant in Reading, California.
		They're looking to take out the power plant beneath Shasta Dam.
		It's a viable target.
		They can do it with the explosives that they have available to them.
		And that is what this team, this al-Qaeda cell, is going after right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Heck, I've seen stories about LP gas being used as an explosive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, mainstream stories about plans they've had to explode or drive an LP gas truck right up to a target and blow it up and all kinds of things.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is the one they're going after.
		And I think from a tactician's perspective, and all things considered, it's probably a good one.
		It's not that defensible.
		I don't think security is super high at that point right now, although after your show tonight, it will be higher.
		We know that.
unidentified		I hope so.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		These public service projects, I just want to let you know that these are public service projects that Matrix Intelligence Agency does, and they cost money.
		I pay my viewers $200 to $300 a session.
		That's one hour to one and a half hours worth of work.
		We have a project right now to dig up the body of a murdered child to prove that she was murdered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know that's been ongoing for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When are we likely to see that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		In about anywhere from two to four months.
		I've got another 30 remote viewing sessions to confirm, and that's about nominally $6,000 worth of work.
		So you have to pay your employees.
		I just want to let you know I'm not done gratis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so the money that your organization makes come from sales of things like mind dazzle and that sort of thing, as well as whatever you're commissioned to do, and you get commissions, what, from private industry and individuals?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, we usually don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we don't like to work for individuals.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We'll work for companies, corporations, or groups, but we shy away from individuals for other reasons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, one of the things that you remote viewed that my audience has never let go on, they just won't let go of it, Ed.
		I get so many emails about it.
		You actually remote-viewed Satan, Lucifer, and people have, believe me, they have never, never forgot.
		I probably had more email about that than anything else I know of.
		And as you know, I questioned you very strongly about this.
		I've done it probably every time you've been on since.
		About whether this had an effect on your life, some sort of profound effect, because a lot of people noticed some difference in you after that.
		Now, it seems like you've recovered from it to some degree.
		But there was a period of time there where after you did that remote viewing, something in you was different, Ed.
		Everybody noticed it.
		It wasn't just me.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It was simply that I had never experienced anything that coldly and crystallinely beautiful in my life.
		It was to turn your attention onto this idea.
		Ideas have a reality all their own.
		And what we're remote viewing is a pattern of information that needs a label.
		The collective unconscious has no names, obviously.
		It has patterns of information.
		And if you don't have in your experience a label, in your experience, like for instance, the color red, there's no red in the collective unconscious.
		The name red or rojo or however you wish to say it in any language isn't there.
		There's a pattern that's there that's recognized across the spectrum of homo sapiens.
		But if you've never been exposed to that color, you don't have a label for what you're perceiving.
		And so when I turn my attention to this idea of Satan, what I describe can only be described as a crystalline, beautiful, intelligent thing that I had never experienced before.
		Coldly beautiful.
		And that to that degree, it affected me, and only that.
		It was uncompromisingly beautiful, but very cold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As in evil.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I can't even say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cold not equaling evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		equaling without emotion without emotions without emotions Totally a-emotional.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Completely a-emotional.
		I would not put the label evil on it.
		I think it's some level down where the rubber meets the road at our level, material, physical reality, there, there we have terms evil, and it may originate from this entity, but I actually didn't establish an association between the term what it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, to a human being, Ed, a cold, beautiful, beautiful intellect, pure intellect, but utterly cold, would be evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would seem evil because the only thing that gives us, with our intelligence, warmth is our emotion.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And our heart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you come up with that word, evil.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I didn't make that connection.
		I was frightened.
		But I did never make a connection of evil.
		It's just something I would not want to be around.
		This thing, when you turn your attention to it, knows you're looking at it.
		I don't know where it is in time, but it is sentient and it's real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you cannot, since it recognized the fact that you were there, it recognized your presence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You cannot rule out the fact that it had some sort of effect that even you now, even now, you don't know.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I can't rule that out.
		In fact, I know better than to rule something else like that.
		When mind turns its attention to something, you become part of its history, part of its what it is.
		Last show, you asked me to try to get behind the mech to understand the mechanics and dynamics behind collective psychokinesis, telekinesis, the effect on instruments at Princeton University.
		When you asked your listening audience to participate in an experiment, you asked me to see if I could understand that.
		Remember?
unidentified		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can give you a demonstration of what it's like when you have a coherent wave of many, many people who turn their attention onto something.
		Just turn their attention to it.
		They don't have to do anything because all they have to do is turn their conscious attention.
		Unconscious awareness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe that's correct.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Unconscious awareness follows.
		And now you become part of the observer, becomes part of the observed.
		So, for instance, if I can have everybody's attention out there, I want everybody to listen to me right now.
		I have a task for you.
		Art Bell has a clock in the studio, do you not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Is it in front of you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the clock has a motor.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		What I found in my research is that a psychokinesis lends itself to the phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I depend on this clock.
		It's very important.
		I've got to hit network brakes right on the nose, and if you mess with my clock, you'll mess with my show.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, how do you have anything else with a motor in it?
		Something that would not be critical to your operations.
		Air conditioner, fan.
		There won't be any permanent damage here.
unidentified		What is it you intend to do to it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you when you tell me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, you see, I do.
		I know about this kind of thing because you know the experiments I've run.
		And I don't know that I want anything that I've got here tampered with.
		I understand you want an experiment, but...
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's not an experiment.
		It's a demonstration in case you needed it.
		But obviously you don't.
		Because you know my point is that when you gather everybody up in a coherent wave, you need to do this within three seconds.
		A moment of time for a human being is three seconds.
		Our bicameral brain processes time.
		We're bandwidth limited in terms of our perceptions, but we're also temporally limited.
		We process time in increments of three seconds.
		A moment of time for human beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What were you proposing to do to my clock?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Let me just ask that.
		The psychokinetic effect, sort of a big TK party on the air, and your clock would be the recipient of this, would be to turn all your listening audience's attention to the magnet in the clock.
		Because the psychokinetic effect is very influential in magnetic fields.
		There's what I call a pre-quantum field, and just below the magnetic field, there's an effect.
		And everybody's mind, if everyone turned their attention, for instance, to your clock, when I said go to the clock in your studio, there would be an effect, and it would change the magnetic field around your clock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And there would be an effect on your clock.
		Especially when you have 10, 20 million people looking at the clock in your studio and just focusing on it.
		That focused effect, they don't have to do anything.
		That doesn't have to be any intent.
		Just turn their attention to the clock in your studio and hold it together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Period.
		And what do you think would occur to my clock?
		Or is that an unknown?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The known is that the psychokinetic effect affects magnetic fields.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So there's a magnet in your clock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got all that.
		I got all that, Ed.
		But what would happen to my clock?
		Potentially?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it wouldn't explode necessarily.
		The flow of electrons would be the motor would be affected to the point where it would either slow or speed up or stop.
		That's what would happen by everybody turning their attention to your clock at once.
		Sort of like a global village of the damns.
		Remember that movie?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
		All right, fine.
		Fine.
		Go ahead.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Now, prayer is different.
		No, I won't do it.
		It's already being done anyway.
		Prayer is different.
		Prayer is a petition to outside agencies.
		For instance, if your fans really cared about your back, really cared about your back, and actually said a prayer for your back to heal, what we would call in the vernacular a miracle, that would be different because now you're evoking an outside agency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you something, Ed.
		At my worst moments with my back, and it's been really, really bad, Ed.
		I mean, I'm not a human being anymore.
		I'm just a lump, unable to move and in pain, even in stationary position, can't get up.
		Had to use a walker for a while.
		I mean, it was really embarrassing, damn walker.
		And it was the only way I could even move.
		And at that, there were times when I couldn't even use that.
		I couldn't even move.
		I mean, I was just dehumanized by this back problem.
		And there have been some of the worst times, Ed, when I thought, you know, I sure would love to be the beneficiary of that.
		But, you know, it's selfish.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And that's why you would not do it.
		That's why I'm orchestrating this.
		And tonight, it has to happen while you sleep, Art.
		My experience with healing and watching tumors shrink and those kind of things, when you do use prayer, the recipient is healed when they sleep.
		So when you go to sleep tonight, that's when it happens.
		Your clock, on the other hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what to tell you about my clock.
		It's still ticking.
		This, by the way, it's in a...
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's a licking...
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I know it has to re-synchronize with National Bureau's standard WV.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is exactly correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it appears to be still ticking at the moment.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So we could turn our attention to your ceiling pan or your air conditioner, anything that has a motor in it, or to your entire studio at one point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Your preamp.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ed, I have a lot of stuff in here.
		My preamp.
		No, no, no, Ed.
		No.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Because your microphone has a magnet in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there are magnets all over the place.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Your phones have magnets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ed, I have some expensive equipment in here, and I have enough trouble with it as it is.
		I don't need millions of minds squerging around here.
		Oh, God knows what it could do.
		No.
		See, this is why I have not continued with these experiments, because I know beyond any shadow of a doubt it's true.
		We're absolutely on to something.
		It's real as can be.
		We've had proof six ways from Sunday.
		I think probably the force that's moved is moving in the same realm in which you, remote viewers, are very close.
		It has something to do with a collective consciousness.
		And remote viewing has something to do with a collective consciousness.
		And this is a very strong, not-to-be-tampered with force until understood.
		And I don't understand the first damn thing about it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Psychokinesis or telekinesis is our sister science, as you know.
		And I have a graduate colloquium on psychokinesis later this year.
		And we're starting a project, but it won't involve your clock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Other things.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		How about the guidance system on missiles?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The guidance system on missiles.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We actually worked that.
		In the military unit, we spent a little bit of time, only a little bit, on psychokinesis.
		The reason it was only a little bit of time is because intelligence matters were so pressing.
		We needed to answer the mail on some very critical areas in terms of the Erstwild Soviet biochemical warfare program or the makeup of the SS-18 missile, things like that, or what were the Chinese doing today.
		But we did experiment a little bit with psychokinesis and with the idea that maybe we could fine-tune this effect as much as remote viewing is today at the Technical Remote Viewing Institute, my institute.
		Maybe we could do this with psychokinesis.
		But all we managed to do was to destroy some of the computers locally in our own office.
		I mean just you might as well degaus them.
		We ruined them.
		So it's not focalized.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, fine, Ed.
		I only have three computers in the room with me right now.
		All I need is minds roaming around my hard drives.
		No, thank you.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The clock, folks, just the clock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but once you start casting electromagnetic impulses around, you just don't know what you're going to hit at.
		And, you know, maybe you can tell me more about this power than I know.
		Maybe you can tell me how it can be handled safely.
		Maybe you can tell me, you know, that mistakes would not be made because I'm not so sure.
		I mean, you tamper with the weather, you bring rain to an area that hasn't had rain and has no forecast of rain, and then you end up with a flood.
		Now, and I've seen that happen.
		That tells me there are unintended consequences associated with fooling around with this kind of thing.
unidentified		I agree.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So apparently only fools and remote viewers rush in, huh?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Only a few remote viewers.
		Witness the turtle.
		It only makes progress by sticking its neck out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I noticed that you stuck your neck out with regard to my clock, not yours.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's true, because you're in a position to report.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And I'm way out here in the Sandwich Islands, and we don't wear clocks on the islands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't need clocks in Paradise.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, when I teach in the City of Angels, we use clocks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're in Las Vegas, Ed.
		No clocks in Las Vegas to speak of.
		They don't want you to know what time it is.
		But in the network business, Ed, it's critical.
		Really, really critical.
		I've got to have the exact time, and that's why I utilize these atomic clocks.
		All right, so I'll be watching this clock.
		Now, would you say the effect would have to be immediate or necessarily?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		For instance, mind is outside of time.
		You wanted to talk about time?
		I'll give you a little example, and it's very real, a very real example.
		Let's say that I want to teach you remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold your example, Ed.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		I think.
		You know, I mean, if the clock is doing what it's supposed to be doing, we're at the top of the hour.
		My guest is Major Ed Dames.
		We will get some phone calls in the next hour.
		God, I hope we're on time.
		And if we are, a break is coming up.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's an interesting one for you.
		The clock in front of me continues to function flawlessly.
		You know, I worried so hard about it that I tuned in the 10 megahertz WWV National Bureau of Standard Signal and checked it out and compared it to my clock in front of me.
		I'm worried about what you all are doing out there.
		It's working fine.
		Dead on the money.
		But then during the break, I turned around, and you see, I'm no fool.
		I have many clocks.
		I have a second atomic clock, which is over the computer, which is behind me.
		You can sometimes see a little bit of it in the webcam photo.
		And it, too, it's an atomic clock, too.
		And let me see.
		The time I'm going to read to you is going to sound wrong to you because there are delays involved in satellite transmission and six-second delay for talk radio and all that.
unidentified		But let's see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Coming up on 108.25 now.
		And the clock behind me has 108.25.30.
		So the clock behind me is now five seconds faster than the clock in front of me.
		Not possible.
unidentified		I have...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The clock in front of me is wrong, but the clock behind me.
		Now, mind you, I didn't check this until the break came up after we talked about all this.
		Ah, geez.
		Once again, troublemaking Major Ed Dames.
		Well, great, Ed.
		So now I can't confirm that anything happened instantly because as I did the program with you and we talked about my clock, I was facing forward toward the clock in front of me, which is just in front and above me, which I watch very carefully because of the importance of network break times.
		Now, I've got a secondary clock, which I hadn't thought about until the break began.
		I looked back at it.
		I did the time check on the clock in front of me, and the clock behind me still right now, right now, is running five seconds faster than the clock in front of me.
		Not possible.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Is that also an atomic clock?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the exact same model of atomic clock, Ed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks a bunch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, how do I know what else might have happened in here?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, like I said, it was a demonstration.
		That's all that it was.
		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a lot of electronics there in Hawaii?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, I have some dive gear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you?
		Dive gear, huh?
		Oh, dive gear.
		Let's all think about Ed's diving gear.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm a free diver, so I'm down at about 50 feet swimming with a mantle raised, which you look about as alien as you can be every day.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And so I'm a breath hole diver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, nobody out there should think about Ed's diving gear.
		God, Ed.
		All right.
		You know, this hour, I really would like to let some people talk to you.
		You've got some interesting projects.
		The one that's killing me is Jupiter.
		I hope you can get that one on pretty soon.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We'll do that.
		I just want to point one thing out though.
		Now, again, if we look at the source of that particular emission, soft X-ray emission source, we might come up with some geophysical phenomenon.
		That does not necessarily rule out that a very advanced race was not able to tweak the planet and to tweak the atmosphere and the geophysics of Jupiter to cause that effect.
		So we not only have to look at the source of the emissions, we have to look at its origin.
		Does that make sense to you?
		In other words, we have to look at the source of the source as a double check to make sure that it is either strictly geophysical or that perhaps an advanced race wasn't able to set something up and then they left.
		And we might discern it.
		We might make the mistake of calling it, well, just purely a geophysical effect.
		Where in fact, it may have been that an intelligent agency has tweaked the planet to do something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we have to be very careful.
		You know, I really wonder what Seth Shostak, Dr. Shostak, and I'm going to have him on, you know, probably next week from Arecibo.
		And I wonder what he's going to have to say about this.
		Now, they're, of course, listening for radio signals, and they're moving in the middle of moving toward light and laser to look for ET contact.
		But my God, what if these blasts of x-rays have been hiding in plain sight the whole time?
		God, what an incredible concept.
		All right, well, listen, I want to get some people on the air with you.
		Let them ask questions as they would.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Hello, my name's Jane, and I'm in the Cleveland, Ohio area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Jane, welcome.
unidentified		Hi, thank you.
		I have a question, and then if you'll permit me a comment on a sentence that Ed made.
		The question is, and I think your clocks partially have answered it, once you have focused on something with remote viewing, is it possible, either through prayer, concentration, meditation, to change something you've seen in the future, hopefully for the better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's a really good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something that has been remote viewed as an event that will occur, could prayer, mass prayer, or attention, your word, prayer, could that change the event?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Ed?
		It's two separate things.
		Prayer is an invocation for an intelligent outside agency to help, for instance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Intervention.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		If that's right, intervention.
		And the engineers that do that are, for all intents and purposes, angels.
		Angels are the ones that interact with the matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then I can translate that to yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's why prayer would work, yes.
		But psychokinesis and telekinesis also could work.
		I don't know about that.
		I don't have any experience with that outside of just strictly mind-machine interface.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, ma'am?
unidentified		Yes.
		Okay, now, and yes, that was a wonderful answer.
		I have to dispute a comment that he made, however, about healing, with your back, my doctor was asked me, I have worked with a healer as a biographer.
		The power of prayer, you asked all of us to pray for Rush Limbaugh.
		Yes.
		Healing does not, I've seen it too many times, I've witnessed too many miracles, does not have to occur when you're asleep.
		I had a doctor who has retired who once asked me, Jane, how in the world do you explain everything that's happened?
		And it came into my head, out of my mouth.
		And that's quite simple.
		You cannot put a limit on the unlimited, the unlimited being knowledge.
		And so I do have to dispute that healing can only occur while you're asleep.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, I see.
		I didn't say, if I said only, I didn't mean to say that.
		Why sleep is important is because people with active mind, your mind gets in the way of healing.
		It's one of the reasons why meditation is a good thing, because it frees up your body to heal.
		And the reason why most healing occurs at sleep is because people's minds have shut down for the day and the body can begin to heal effectively.
		Whereas in the daytime, if you have an active mind, of course the universe can get there's plenty of room for everything there, but it's just more effective at night for most of the people who are healed.
		That's all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me say something about Rush.
		We did have this mass attempt at healing with regard to Rushland Boff, and people immediately, of course, send emails and said, ah, Rush can't hear.
		It didn't work.
		It didn't work.
		Well, all right, fine.
		He went and had the cochlear implant.
		And then a miracle did occur.
		Now, with the cochlear implant, it's going to take you, according to the doctors, months to begin to interpret the odd sounds that you get from this implant as speech and put it together with speech so that you understand what's being said to you.
		It takes a few months for that to occur.
		Well, immediately after Rush Limbaugh had this cochlear implant, and I would say miraculously, he got on a, he'd been totally deaf.
		He got on a cell phone with a family member and had a conversation.
		That was astounding.
		Absolutely astounding.
		He is now, without the help of people writing things down for him, hearing and conversing with callers on the telephone, doing his show.
		And the other day, there was a press release issued in which Rush, who doesn't use a word like this loosely, used the word miraculous with regard to what's happened to him.
		So now, did what we all did have anything to do with that?
		I don't know.
		I'll leave that up to people's individual judgment, but that's the truth.
		Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, if we're willing to accept the existence of miracles, statues, crying blood, and things like that, and we're willing to allow room for anything out there, I don't think that mind is limited.
		Mind is fallible and limited.
		I teach an extremely powerful and unique mind tool, but I know how limited it is.
		There's things far beyond mind that that's what remote viewing can lead you to.
		That's why it's so important to me, because it led me to a place where that's beyond the mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But somewhere remote viewing meets up with the kind of experiments that I was doing.
		It's all mixed up somehow in the same realm of mass consciousness, collective consciousness.
		I'm convinced of it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I have to, I believe that the collective consciousness is pretty much chaos right now.
		The collective unconscious is the thing that affects this pre-quantum field.
		It can actually influence matter in the material world.
		But the things that we generally see as miracles, not psychokinesis in the laboratory, that is in the balanc of angelic intervention.
		You can remote view what's happening to, let's say, I know some cases where one case where a little girl was sent home to die.
		She had a grapefruit-sized tumor in her stomach.
		And as she was healing very rapidly, she ended up going back to school in a couple of weeks without a tumor, I wanted to see what was going on.
		And when I remote viewed, along with a team of others, what was going on with this girl.
		And it was difficult to analyze the work.
		In fact, when she was sleeping, there was what, for all intents and purposes, would be an angel working on the tumor, shrinking it.
		It wasn't a human being, a healer.
		It was an angel.
		So a lot of times healers take credit for or are given credit for healing directly when in fact they're facilitators.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ed, there is now a six-second difference in my clocks.
		Six seconds.
		As of, let me check it.
		Boom, 36.
		Six seconds, Ed.
		Thanks a lot.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, the back half of you is slowing down, and the front half is in speed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		Good morning, gentlemen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Kat from near San Francisco.
		Yes, sir.
		Question and a suggestion.
		Yes.
		First, question.
		I have heard the statement made in the past by somebody that pulsars may be beacons or navigational aids for anything that happens to be out there beyond our capabilities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could this be possible?
unidentified		And could this also be related to our large planet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean Jupiter?
		Yes.
		Could it be a navigational aid?
		Well, yeah, pulsars are like beacons.
		To be sure, they are.
		Ed, what about it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		If I were traveling in time through space, especially parsec distances, galaxy to galaxy or intergalaxy, if you pop out somewhere and you need to know where you are, I think, I mean, in my limited experience as a human being, that pulsars would be a pretty darn good time reference if somebody else had already, if you had pulsars in a register somewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They really would, wouldn't they?
unidentified		Yes, they would be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, interesting theory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Ed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I want to ask you, could you remote view the singular claims that the Bible makes concerning Jesus of Nazareth?
unidentified		I was thinking specifically on scriptures such as that he is the only name under heaven by which men must be saved, and also John 3, 16, for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, we could not.
		It's too abstract.
		There's nothing we can get our teeth into.
		We need something that's physical, an actual, in almost all cases, we need to have something that's physically related to the target rather than an abstract.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know this probably would get, you know, it's a troublesome area, to be sure, but you did once tell me, you remote viewed, the physical man Jesus did, in fact, walk this earth.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, is there any way you could go beyond that and find out if Jesus is the only true path?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That others, that Buddha, that Muhammad, that other great prophets are not the path, that Jesus is the only path?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Especially, I think the question, we might not even be able to articulate the question, and it may be an ignorant question.
		Who knows?
		No, there's no way to handle that in my technology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just as well.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I think that was what he was really wanting to know.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes.
		Major Dames?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Fire away.
		Yes.
		The question I have, I believe myself to be clairvoyant.
		I'm a 25-year police officer, and I've had a real strange thing happen to me within the last five years.
		Are you familiar with mercury lights and how they come on at dusk and then, of course, go off when the sun comes up?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and when you get near them, they go off and they turn back on, right?
unidentified		Right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Happens to a lot of people.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It happens to a lot of people, actually.
unidentified		Well, I'm turning them off and turning them on.
unidentified		Sometimes whole banks of them at a time.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's actually a fairly common phenomenon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure is.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		Well, I'm sure glad to hear you say that.
		It doesn't seem like it happens when it's not a conscious effort.
		It seems just the second my mind lapses from conscious to unconscious, it does it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Ed, he's got a really good point.
		There you have it, a police officer.
		I have, I guess, over the years I've had hundreds of emails, similar emails, Ed, about this Occurrence.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It happens to me, too.
		It's the damnedest thing.
		I've never remote viewed the cause, by the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, there you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's another cute little target for you.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It is actually an interesting one, too.
		I like it because it deals with human potential.
		And if you can develop a model for something, whether it's one of the beauties of expert remote viewing, the technique itself, is it's a foot in the door.
		If you turn your attention and your expertise onto other areas of human potential, you can develop a model for what may be going on.
		If you can develop a model, then you can teach it.
unidentified		Is this a specific enough thing?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a physical phenomenon associated generally with people who have psychic ability.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I have no idea.
		We have to investigate.
		It won't take us long.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
unidentified		Go for it.
unidentified		That's another one to put on your list then for the next program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Coast to Coast AF.
unidentified		Trying to get myself ashore for so long.
		For so long.
		Listening to the strangest stories.
		Wondering where it all went wrong.
		For so long.
		For so long.
		Hold on, hold on, hold on.
		Do what you got.
		Hold on, hold on, hold on.
		Do what you got.
		Hold on, hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The clock in the rear of my studio is now seven seconds.
		Seven seconds faster than the clock in front of me.
		Oh, man.
		Unintended consequences, Ed.
		Unintended consequences.
unidentified		Well, sort of.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I forgot to specify which clock.
unidentified		That's all.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Just the clock on the wall.
		See how specific you have to be?
		You have to really be precise in this business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you see how dangerous this is?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, we didn't say preamp.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thank you.
		Don't say preamp.
		Let's, one more.
		I don't know why I should, but I'll give you a plug for Mind Dazzle again after this.
		What's the number for Mind Dazzle again, please?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		For both the weekend workshops in the City of Angels and the information about the workshops and to order a Mind Dazzle kit.
		It's 1-800-441-8547.
		That's toll-free in the U.S. and Canada.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		1-800-441-8547.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Or any other information you need about what we do, except for stopping clocks, is at, or speeding them up.
		RemoteViewing.la.
		A lot of people ask, you know, what are you doing in LA?
		I'm asked to teach all over the world, but I don't want to travel that much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I picked Los Angeles because some of the most creative minds, some of them are warped, but the most creative minds I have ever run into on the planet are in L.A. Yeah, well, that's frequently the case with creative minds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Frequently, they are warped.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I do a number of things with the entertainment business and the industry.
		I'm doing a screenplay now, and I'm taking essentially all the fun stuff that we've talked about on your show over the last five and a half years, and working with a good screenplay writer and putting together a nice movie.
		So you'll enjoy it.
		A feature film.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It'll be a while before I get over this clock thing.
		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hi, Ed.
		My name is Rhea.
		I'm from Seattle.
		And I heard you talk about this satanical thing that you experienced or you felt, viewed, whatever.
		And let me get this straight.
		You said it was cold without emotion, crystalline, beautiful to the extreme, intelligent.
		You said something like no emotion, no soul, no conscience, a thing.
		Have I got all that right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Now, did you, this is going to kind of be off the wall, but did you view this thing as being reptilian in any way?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		It wasn't reptilian.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Okay, that was my question.
unidentified		Thank you both.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
		Take care.
		No, I think she got the description perfectly, perfectly accurately, and there was nothing reptilian said about it or even hinted about it.
		I think what is described is kind of scarier in a way than any reptile you could describe.
		I mean, something beautiful, powerful, ultimate, without emotion, without caring, without even a soul.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about the soul part.
unidentified		Obviously, it's something you add.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just a wordless.
unidentified		It's just the imagination.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But it looks like it could freeze my soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Yes, this is Rick, north of the border in the Great White North.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Rick.
unidentified		Yeah, anyways, I just wanted to offer two suggestions for neat projects that might be considered.
unidentified		One of them being the caves in Illinois, and the other one would have to be the recent story concerning Mount Hood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The caves?
unidentified		Yes, the caves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very, very, very, very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ed, have you been hearing about those caves?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I mentioned on the last program that we did a couple of months ago that the Kimball, what is his first name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glenn Kimball.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Glenn Kimball emailed me.
		Very nice email and asked me if I might participate in doing that.
		We don't have, we can't do it.
		We just didn't have the time.
		I would love to do it, but we don't have the time to really dedicate to that.
		And I don't know about the manhood phenomenon, what's going on in Manhood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't either.
		Ed, is it easy to look back?
		Is it as easy or easier to look back than it is to look forward?
		Or is it equally easy or hard?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not equal.
		Events that haven't resorted horizon that exists going forward in time for remote viewers that doesn't exist in the past.
		If we can effectively use, let's say, a team of six remote viewers to look at and to describe an event in the future, let's say an explosion somewhere, then that event is usually a fait accompli.
		It's going to happen.
		Otherwise, I would say that things are sometimes fuzzy in the future unless they're very big.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they're not as fuzzy in the past?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, perfectly clear.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		In hindsight, 2020.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
		Okay.
		Well, then here is the reason I'm asking.
		The tooth from the core sample aside, which you have explained, there are so many geologic findings, Ed, that would seem to suggest that man has been on Earth so much longer than everybody believes, that man has come and gone, civilizations have come and gone.
		It would be then relatively easy, would it not, for a remote viewer to look back and either confirm or put to rest that whole argument?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It is relatively easy for a remote viewer to look back and to describe past civilizations.
		We need to go beyond that, obviously, if you're going to pursue that as a course of action and look for the remnants of the civilization.
		Because without the evidence, talk is cheap.
		You need ground truth.
		So one needs to be able to do that, too.
		I would love to do it.
		I think it would be wonderful.
		There are many wonderful projects, but life is short.
		Death is awaiting me.
		And before I go, I want to find this Starman device.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which is here on Earth somewhere.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		One single unique thing.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's tantamount to, again, that monolith.
unidentified		You call everything.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		You call anything.
		It's everything and anything.
		It's a Stargeat, it's the Ark of the Covenant, the Grail, a transporter, a time machine.
		If I told you exactly how it operated, it's incredible.
		It actually interacts with one as you come close to it.
		It susses you out and then relays the information both to something in space and to an underground area on the planet Mars.
		After that, this is all automatic.
		It collects intelligence as it sits there every day, all the time.
		It integrates the intelligence and sort of relays that out.
		And again, it's something we don't understand.
		It's beyond our frame of reference.
		But, well, what the heck?
		It's an adventure, and I have to admit that's why I'm pursuing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wildcardline, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		How are you guys doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm one of those interesting minds in L.A. Okay.
unidentified		Anyway, Ed is one of your most interesting guests, I could say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Anyway, for Mr. Dames, something I've been doing for a few years, I sort of do little experiments, but I keep them to myself, so it looks like the cat's out of the bag, according to the latest news.
		I've been setting up a camcorder on a tripod at night and pointing it at the brightest star.
		I thought many years ago that when we're trying to receive radio communications from other stars or whatever, it's sort of ridiculous, that the best way, the more bang for your buck is optically with lasers than from you could send very little wattage and you could reach a very sharp point in unit on a laser.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		OCETI, optical CETI.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The optatal search for extraterrestrial landowners, yes.
unidentified		That's right.
		What I did is Venus or brightest star in the sky, I used a camcorder and I zoomed up on the planet and I use high shutter speed.
		I slow it down and I've received images of people, humans, and robes.
		And this hits really crazy.
		My heart only stopped when I did this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why don't you capture some of these images and email them to me?
unidentified		Yeah, it's scary.
unidentified		If they're flashes, what you have to do is you slow down to shutter speed and you play at slow motion and you see the images.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, if you've got them, email them to artbell at mindspring.com.
unidentified		Okay, do you know anything about that, James?
unidentified		Anything about that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not, but it reminds me of something equally as enigmatic.
		It's the three kids, school kids, under hypnosis a few years back.
		I remember reading about this in a newspaper.
		A hypnotist was putting them through the typical stuff that you do when kids are under hypnosis.
		And then all of a sudden, spontaneously, told the kids to sing the Martian national anthem.
		These three kids started in synchrony, singing in a language no one has ever heard before.
		Everybody was speechless and silent.
		It's a strange thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, Ed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Where did this occur?
		It was on stage somewhere.
		I read about it in a respectable newspaper, not one of these.
		Tabloids, yeah.
		And I thought it reminds me of these images that this guys are recording from wherever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they began in unison to say the same thing in a language unknown.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Hello, Wert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Keith from Hamilton, Ontario.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		To add your statement on the cattle mutilations?
		Yes.
		The DCTs telling the world we butcher our own animals.
		Were these extraterrestrials also the cause of the worldwide epidemic of mad cow in the foot and mouth disease?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what's happening?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I didn't call them extraterrestrials.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was going to say that.
		He didn't say they were eating.
		Okay, yeah, yeah.
		But this, whatever it is, Ed, could it be the cause of the mad cow disease?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		We'd have to Actually, look at that disease origin and not the origin of the disease necessarily, because the origin of the disease as an epidemiological factor is a group of cows, you know, who are transmitting this.
		We have to look at the origin of the prion, the prion condition itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people don't understand, Ed, that you're not a psychic, and you're not prepared to sit here and give answers to questions that people raise that you have not done specific projects on.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is a knowledge collect, an information collection skill.
		We're better than the best natural psychic on the planet, especially when we're used in concert.
		We had to be to support military operations, but we're not psychics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the sense that you can sit here and answer off-the-wall questions without actually putting people to work on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's important people understand that too.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It takes us 45 minutes to two hours to come up with an answer, any answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the oath.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Hi, Ed.
unidentified		This is Joel in Marin County.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Hi.
		I have a question, but first I have a comment which is totally unsolicited.
		I took the Remote Viewing 101 class with Ed last year.
		Oh.
		And I just want to say it was fabulous.
		Ed's a great teacher and a terrific human being.
		And anybody, I think anybody who's interested in learning more would really benefit from that class.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You took the in-person class?
unidentified		Yeah, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		It was really great.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But that's like a boot camp.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Joel.
unidentified		Hey, Ed.
		I was in Europe and I missed the last couple of shows, but the one that I heard you were hot on the trail of the anthrax guy in New Jersey somewhere.
		Whatever happened with that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We were told to back off.
unidentified		Oh?
unidentified		Oh?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we were told to back off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Joel, thank you for asking that provocative question.
		You were told to back off.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we were getting in the way of an investigation, and that happens a lot.
		If we don't have the cooperation of law enforcement authorities, it doesn't matter whether we finger someone.
		For instance, let's say I announced tonight, for instance, that this al-Qaeda cell is now very seriously looking at the power plant at Shasta Dam.
		Let's say that the Federal Bureau of Investigation knows that already and is watching them.
		Then I have just interfered with one of their operations.
		But I took the risk because I don't think that the FBI is onto it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That may well be.
		Although I know certainly that all targets, we can call them targets, of opportunity like this are being scrutinized much more carefully, obviously, in recent days.
		All right.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Terry from Ontario, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Terry.
unidentified		I have a question.
unidentified		Earlier, Ed, you said that you were able to confirm that Jesus had walked the earth.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I can't confirm anything like that.
		I can give you information about as a skilled remote viewer and a remote viewing team that there was a man that the idea of Jesus of Nazareth, when that topic is hit, all remote viewers describe the same person.
		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Would it be possible to remote view the resurrection and or ascension?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We've tried it, and we can't make sense out of it.
		There's no frame of reference that we have in our experience to make sense out of it.
		We don't know what we're describing.
unidentified		Would that sort of be a confirmation or no?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It may be that I'm not smart enough to understand or that I just don't have any frame of reference.
		I don't know what it means.
		All right, my simple man.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You're very welcome.
		Yeah, that is the problem.
		Things that we have no frame of reference for are very difficult for you for obvious reasons.
		I mean, we just, it's totally beyond our understanding.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, if you go beyond mind, there's something else.
		It's who we really are, you know, and that and that has no, that is not mind.
		That's outside of mind or perhaps beneath mind, and it doesn't have any words or labels.
		So if that's what we are before and or after, we're in a physical existence, then there's no frame of reverence.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		This is Robert from Jacksonville, Florida, listening to NWOKV, 690DM dial.
		Yes, sir.
		Major Ed Dames, it's obvious you're a very articulate man, and I would hope before your demise there might be an autobiography from Ed Dames, number one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You ever think about that, Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't have time.
unidentified		That's what I was afraid of.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't have time.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There's too many books out there, and, you know, the time to break away, to do something like that from the kinds of things that I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does take a lot of time, yeah.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I mean, I'm not interested.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm just not interested.
unidentified		Could I go to Mel's holes?
		Number one, well, have you thought about, especially the second one?
		And the second thing I'd like to respect to that would be the mentioning of the two packages of 1943 FDR dimes.
		Mint, Bias, and Bravo, I believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, correct.
unidentified		Those are dimes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		All right.
		Mel's holes would be a really good subject to look into.
		Now, we did that a couple years ago with the original hole.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the original hole was a lava tube that's very deep, and there's a river flowing through it right now.
		But it is a lava tube, a deep lava tube, and you put things in Mel's hole, and except we can actually sketch the trash that's down there, like things that they threw in, heavy stuff.
		But all the other Stuff is taken away down that water that flows through the lava tube, but I don't know about a second hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we did another show, and I guess I would have to catch you up on all of that.
		Is there any way of viewing the inner earth?
		In other words, finding out if what geologists believe to be true about the earth, and they really don't know.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, yes, there is.
		But we have to sit down with geologists and make sure we're on the same sheet of music about what the reference search terms are.
		What are they referring to?
		Let's say the morphora visic layer or something like that, the origin of it or something like that.
		And actually work with the experts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or is there a core of a hot lava in the earth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it solid iron?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		What we do in our projects is we run controls.
		For instance, I have a couple of international remoteers, and I use them as controls in a lot.
		They have no idea of what targets they've been given.
		They're just tasked with a couple of random numbers.
		So if we were to run a project like this, which is heavily front-loaded with what we've taught in school, those ideas, we would have to use controls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, Ed, we're coming to the end of it once again.
		Always absolutely fascinating.
		Tonight, definitely no exception.
		What a pleasure to have you on the air.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad your back's going to get better, and I'm glad we had the opportunity to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, you've got, I hope you've been making notes because we've been on to several very interesting things.
		Definitely got the notes and definitely make up the next program.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Watch your clocks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Ed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to you all out there.
		Have a great weekend, everybody.
		It's going to be a very interesting weekend.
		I'm Arthell from the High Deserts.

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