Major Ed Dames, aka "Dr. Doom," explores remote viewing as a military-trained clairvoyance tool, dismissing the Jupiter X-ray pulses as likely natural but intrigued by their regularity, while linking cattle mutilations to humanity’s desensitization to violence. He predicts Earth’s tilt and catastrophic events from a passing space body (2001KX76) within decades, citing biblical patterns, and reveals his team’s remote-viewing work—like tracking Osama bin Laden (80% in Afghanistan) or an al-Qaeda cell targeting California’s Shasta Dam hydroelectric plant. Dames also clarifies psychokinesis as mind-matter influence, not prayer, and discusses failed attempts to verify Jesus’ resurrection due to lack of reference points, underscoring remote viewing’s limits while warning of suppressed truths like a universal disease cure. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good afternoon, good morning, whatever the case may be, wherever you are around the globe.
All 24 time zones covered by this radio program.
I'm Mark Bell, and the program is Coast to Coast A.M. This hour, we're going to do open lines.
Next hour, Major Ed Dames is here, supplanting the usual open line hour because, of course, I was out for a couple of days.
A legendary 1960s top 40 WLS DJ Art Roberts has passed away.
He was the program director at WLS, my affiliate in Chicago.
And he was an amazing man.
He was the first man to play a Beatles song in the U.S. That's hotly contested, but I think generally recognized, as most things are like this, generally recognized as the first person to ever play the Beatles in the U.S. Can you imagine that?
The first person to play a Beatles record in the United States.
He would sit down and listen to record after record after record and just pluck the one that he knew was going to be a hit.
And absolutely legendary.
Art Roberts, take care of my friend.
Well, I've got a lot to get through to you this evening before Ed gets here.
The news, such as it is, is scariest part of the show as far as I'm concerned.
The deadliest fighting in 17 months.
In the Middle East, Israel raided Palestinian towns and refugee camps Friday while a Palestinian gunman opened fire on a Jewish settlement.
Amid all this carnage, the Israeli Prime Minister hinted at new flexibility in reaching a truce with the men.
39 Palestinians were killed in Israeli raids on towns.
It really...
It's been time for a long time now, but it's really time for it to stop before it takes the world with it, which it inevitably and biblically and probably in reality will do.
Snow, clouds, high winds quelled fighting Friday, but the week old battle to drive the Al-Qaeda and Taliban holdouts from the mountains in eastern Afghanistan was expected to drag on for at least several more days as the enemy hunkered in hideouts and refused to surrender.
There are many questions about the quality Of the intel in terms of the enemy strength here, and that it was underestimated, and that, you know, as much of a tragedy as we did have there, there could have been a much bigger one because somebody didn't have the right intelligence.
The government objected Friday to Enron's paying its interim chief exec $1.3 million a year as prosecutors negotiated with the Energy Traders' former auditor, Securities and Exchange Commission, which is investigating Enron's collapse,
said in a filing in federal bankruptcy court that many of the terms of Enron's agreement with company turnaround specialist Stephen Cooper are overreaching and inappropriate, their words.
During a videotaped interview with a psychiatrist played at her murder trial Friday, at this, Andrea Yates described in chilling detail drowning her five children in the bathtub, recalling that one of the children had asked Mommy, are we going to take a bath Friday?
Yates said during the 7th November interview with a forensic psychiatrist that she allowed earlier opportunities to kill the children pass because she, quote, wasn't ready mentally to do it, end quote.
Well, the clear implication there is that she did it when she was mentally ready.
And I don't know how you get a more clear case of forethought.
And of course, that would bring with it the death penalty.
A Roman Catholic bishop who admitted molesting a teenager 25 years ago submitted his resignation Friday, becoming, thusly, the highest-ranking clergyman brought down in a wave of allegations touched off by the sex scandal in Boston.
The Reverend Anthony J. O'Connell, Bishop of the Diocese of Palm Beach, admitted to the allegations leveled by Christopher Dixon, his former student.
And so it goes on.
So much trouble.
Is there a disproportionate amount of trouble in the Catholic Church?
That, of course, is a very, very interesting question.
On the one hand, you'd leap to say yes, there is, and that, of course, the obligations of a priest are the root cause of this, and you could be correct.
But on the other hand, of course, when it is a priest doing the molestation or somebody of the cloth, the media grabs that and runs like crazy.
So I don't know.
It's really hard to say, but it does seem disproportionate.
You know, here's another one for you.
The thousands of emails on this rash continue to pour in, this mysterious rash, whatever it is.
How about Oscar fever?
Oscar fever of a different kind.
A mystery illness has overcome at least 100 guests who attended a pre-Oscar ceremony honoring scientific and technical achievement last weekend.
About 500 people attended the dinner and awards presentation at the Regent Beverly Wolfshire Hotel in Beverly Hills on Saturday, though many became ill the next day.
Some guests didn't show symptoms of the illness for several days.
Total number of those sickened has not been yet determined, but the L.A. County Department of Health said at least 100 people were overcome, while Oscar officials said it might be as high as 200.
County epidemiologists, of course, are looking at everything from the fish and beef on the menu to desserts and wine.
Investigators were also collecting stool samples from sickened individuals to determine the nature of the disorder.
The illness characterized by vomiting, diarrhea, nausea, sometimes a low-grade fever.
Symptoms were typically lasting one to two days.
So.
There is an outbreak of hemorrhagic fever in, this is a brand new outbreak, folks, in Afghanistan, about 210 miles west of Kabul.
It looks pretty bad, contagious, very incredibly contagious, but thus far only one village affected.
UN officials had informed the World Health Organization about the outbreak, and the WHO officials were believed to be planning to travel to the region to assess how to respond.
There are several different kinds of hemorrhagic fever with varying levels of seriousness, ranging from mild illness to death.
Ebola is one kind of hemorrhagic fever.
It's not known yet exactly what type they've got in this village.
They did have Crimean Congo hemorrhagic fever in part of Pakistan, Afghanistan's eastern neighbor.
So in other words, they've got a hemorrhagic fever.
It could even be Ebola or something awful like that in Afghanistan.
Now, I understand that hemorrhagic fever is, you don't want to say common, but something that can happen in that region, and yet think about it for a moment.
If there is Ebola there or some equally awful bleed-out type disease, the terrorists there aren't going to have to look very hard for samples of a weapon that could be developed, are they?
Samples are right there on their doorstep.
All they need is samples of the blood and somebody who knows what they're doing in a moderately secure kind of lab environment to work in, and they could produce something really awful for the world, which is the business they're in, after all, isn't it?
Interesting story coming up in a moment about Jupiter.
Every 45 minutes, a gigawatt pulse of X-rays course through the solar system.
That's a gigawatt pulse.
Astronomers are accustomed to such things.
Distant pulsars and black holes often bathe the galaxy with blasts of X-ray radiation.
But this time, the source is not exotic, and it's not far away.
It's right here in our own solar system.
The pulses are coming from the north pole of Jupiter, says Randy Gladstone, a scientist at the Southwest Research Institute and leader of the team that made the discovery using NASA's orbiting Chandra X-ray Observer.
Every 45 minutes, an X-ray source blinks near Jupiter's North Magnetic Pole.
We were not surprised to find X-rays coming from Jupiter, he said.
Other observatories have done that years ago.
Surprise is what Chandra has revealed for the very first time.
That would be the location of the beacon.
Their word, beacon, surprisingly close to the planet's pole and the regular way it pulses.
NASA's Einstein X-ray satellite first spotted Jupiter's X-ray glow in 1979.
No one looked again for many years until researchers, Gladstone among them, pointed the German X-ray Observatory Rossat toward Jupiter in 1992.
The glow was still there.
Scientists wondered, what was it?
The X-rays came mostly from Jupiter's northern hemisphere, but the Einstein and Rossat maps weren't crisp enough to reveal exactly where some researchers figured they were seeing X-ray emissions from powerful auroras.
Indeed, you know, northern lights like we have here on Earth every now and then, only on a different scale.
Jupiter's auroras are hundreds to thousands of times more powerful than our planets.
Furthermore, the glowing rings around Jupiter's magnetic poles are twice the diameter of Earth itself.
But the bottom line here is that there's a signal, a very, very, very, very strong signal coming from the planet Jupiter up there at the pole.
The Chandra satellite revealing that most of the X-rays came from a hotspot located very close to Jupiter's North Magnetic Pole, not far from the aurora ring itself, and moreover, it is pulsing.
The 45-minute pulsations are very mysterious, he says.
They're perfectly regular.
Now, these are his words, folks.
I'm not, adds Mr. Elsner.
They're perfectly regular, like a signal from E.T might be.
E.T., his words, the period drifts back and forth by a few percent.
This is a natural process, he adds.
We just don't know what it is.
Now, I know a lot of you are going to go, okay, where did this story come from?
This actually comes from a NASA website, Science, It Looks Like, at NASA.
Direct to the people, it says.
This story that I just read you in even greater detail is available if you get to the website.
So, let's see, the Science Directorate of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center sponsors the At NASA websites.
The mission of science at NASA is to help the public understand just how exciting NASA research is and help NASA scientists fulfill their outreach responsibilities.
So that describes to you the website from which this comes.
It's coming from NASA.
Now, check me if I'm wrong here, but in this article, what did they just tell us?
Their words, just like you'd hear from E.T. What if, you know, they use the word.
Now, the word beacon was not my word.
Beacon is their word.
What if this thing is hiding in plain sight?
What if this beacon is exactly what we deep down somewhere imagine it might be?
A beacon, for God's sakes.
In other words, a signal coming to Earth from a planet in its own system that we've simply been somehow overlooking.
Now, they can't make that.
Those are all of their words, not mine.
Their words.
What if while we've been looking at distant star systems, in fact, the signal, and it's a really loud, regular signal from the pole, North Pole area of Jupiter, is the signal we should have been looking for all along?
Perhaps not placed there or being sent by present residences, but to perhaps those who were here long ago.
It could even be a transmitter of sorts that has been placed on Jupiter for us to notice, and we were just too damn stupid to recognize this big signal coming from Jupiter had meaning.
Regular, high power, and with no other explanation.
In fact, so regular that they use the words ET and beacon.
So I thought we ought to talk about this a little bit.
What if we're in the middle of contact right now?
You know, I'm scheduling Seth Shostak from SETI on the air here, I think, in the next week or so, all the way from Arecibo.
He'll be at Arecibo.
And this is going to make one hell of a question for Seth.
Don't you think?
I sat and I brooded about this today.
As you read the article from the NASA site, and I'll have Keith get a copy or a link up for you in a few minutes.
And if you just read the article, you don't even have to read in between the lines.
Just read the lines as they flow and see for yourself.
We may be sitting on an incredible story here.
Just absolutely incredible.
The signal that we've been searching so hard for and looking so far for may be right here right now.
And it may have been put there long, long ago.
Meant for our discovery when the time was right.
Pretty incredible.
Hey, listen, on the website, artbell.com right now.
I'm going to tell you more about this when I get back.
But some very kind listener, you know, when I was young, I was stupid, really, I mean, dumber than I am now, and by far.
And I used to do really stupid things, like I once held the world's record for continuous broadcasting, you know, DJing, top 40 rock and roll type radio.
I did that, oh God, for a lot of my life, actually.
And on the island of Okinawa, I held one record for consecutive hours of broadcast.
And then one day, sitting around the office, somebody said, well, you know, your first world record worked out so well for the station and for everything else.
Let's try it again, Art.
And so we all sat down and tried to figure out the best world's record that I could try and go after.
Killing myself, right?
And so we came up with the world's record for seesawing.
Now, remember, this is tropical Okinawa, right?
Sun beats down, humidity is through the roof.
It's unbearable outside during the day, the island of Vokina.
And so I got on the seesaw.
I'll tell you more about it.
Pictures up on the website.
This guy sent in a photo from all those years ago.
Be right back.
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Be right back.
And pretty soon all my troubles will pass.
Cause I mean shoo shoo shoo Shoo shoo shoo Shoo shoo shoo shoo shoo Shut it down.
I never had a dog that liked me some.
Never had a friend that wanted one.
So I just laid back and laughed at the sun.
Cause I'm in sha shoe.
Shh, shoo, shoo.
Shush shoo shoo shoo.
Shi the die.
Rechard bell in the kingdom of Nye.
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And coming up, top of the hour, Major Ed Dames, known affectionately by many as Dr. Doom.
Well, okay.
So, you know, I've been in radio all my adult life.
And that's no lie.
All my adult life.
People think, you know, you just rush into being, you know, on a big network and having a big radio show.
It doesn't quite exactly happen that way.
I've been in radio actually all my life.
And in commercial broadcasting from the moment, that would be when I was about 13.
The moment I could finally hassle somebody into letting me into a radio station, I did, I drove people out of their minds.
It's called persistence.
Or you're absolutely nuts in pursuing something, and I was.
Anyway, a few years into it, I was still really stupid about things, and I did 115 hours and 15 minutes straight on the air.
Established a world record at the time.
Then we endeavored to do another project.
This time it was going to be seesawing out in the tropical sun on the island of Okinawan.
The longest continued, I mean, you couldn't get off for a bathroom.
You couldn't get off for anything.
You had to stand seesaw, continuously seesawing stupidly for 55 hours and 15 minutes, I believe, was the time.
And, you know, over the years, especially in radio, you tend to move around a lot.
You lose all of the artifacts.
Well, some fellow wrote to me and said, I was on the island of Okinawa, and Art, I saved this newspaper photograph of you on a seesaw.
It's up on my website right now.
It's the first time I've seen it in that many years.
It was about 19, I think it was about 1968, something like that.
And you will see me, even though it's very hard to scan a newspaper photograph, but he did do it.
And I'm the one in the tie, short-sleeve white shirt and a tie on a seesaw on the island of Okinawa, just to the east of China and, of course, to the southeast of Japan, where I spent so much time.
And you'll see, it says, assault on seesaw record underway.
Art Bell, world record holder for Marathon Disc Jockeying, began his challenge to the World Seesawing Record Monday in the backyard of the RSC building, or BC building, rather, that's RyuCube Broadcasting, in Naha.
He and his companion, Marine Lance Corporal Joe, and it goes on and on.
And then we had a couple Navy guys challenge us.
And so that you might know how this came out, the two Navy guys passed out from heat prostration about two-thirds of the way through it.
They fell off.
They actually fell off and were taken away in ambulances while I continued with my Marine friend and broke another world's record.
It was really stupid.
You only do those stupid kind of things when you're really young.
And you will see I had a special seesaw marked KSBK.
Those were the call letters in Ohio.
But that's on the website.
And so God bless this nice man, Michael.
His name is up there for sending this in, for keeping it all of those years and for sending it in.
Absolutely remarkable.
And also tonight's webcam photo, you will notice me proudly sporting a Raiders t-shirt.
I'm a big-time Raiders fan.
In fact, all Raiders fans know this year the Raiders were robbed from going to the Super Bowl.
Literally, absolutely, without question, totally robbed, my opinion, from going to the Super Bowl.
A call.
It was a very, very, very bad call.
Anyway, this t-shirt was sent to me by Raymond Batista, who's a cancer survivor at age eight.
Raymond, thank you, my friend.
We share enthusiasm, of course, for the same team.
That was very, very nice of Raymond, and I think that a number of the Raiders players have come to see Raymond.
So, yo, Raymond, thank you very much.
Your t-shirt is sported on my webcam this evening.
So what if all this time the beacon, the obelisk, the whatever you want to call it, emitting these X-rays really is just right there on Jupiter?
I mean, what a hell of a question for Seshosak.
unidentified
Well, you know, it'd be ironic because we actually go there and discover what it is, and it turns out to be a television antenna that was somebody we're just, you know, actually sending our signal to some other planet far off, and we're just winding up to be yet on another network.
Could it be a beacon that was designed to be found that we have been just putting off to some sort of a natural phenomena, weird, totally weird, but unknown?
now they really don't know I All of their words, beacon, ET, all of the words used on the NASA website.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
Hello.
Hi, this is Maureen from San Diego.
Yes.
Hi, again.
I watched the Maury Povich show today, and they were talking about ghosts.
Well, do you agree then that further investigation of EVP is something that we ought to do on this program, right?
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Oh, it should be done because I know many years ago I had a personal experience with a ghost with my late wife, and it freaked me out, and I had people come in and test it.
But that's not the story I want to tell.
That I'll tell you another time.
But about my out-of-body experience, can I mention a doctor's name who's now deceased?
Yes.
Yeah.
Well, 25 years ago, I was out in Vancouver, British Columbia, and I had extreme pain in my right side near my stomach.
And I went into the emergency hospital there, and they diagnosed me as having cancer, and they said, you have to have it taken out, or you'll die.
So I said, okay.
They said, you got a 40% chance of coming out alive.
And I told him about it when I came home from the hospital.
And he says, oh, I'm a member of this organization.
And I specified, like I talked about this for about four or five years.
And he said, I'm a member of this group that believe in all this stuff.
I says, well, I believe in it.
I experience it.
So he asked me to come and speak.
And there was like about maybe 80 or 90 people there at this auditorium.
And he got me to speak.
And I told my story.
And like people asked me, well, what was it like?
And I said, it was just calm.
It was calm.
I wasn't scared.
And what was funny, when I woke up out of it, I didn't have any pain.
All I felt was this thing on my side.
And there was a nurse knitting when I come to.
And she was on my side.
And I started to freak out.
And I said, what's this thing?
And she called in Dr. Martinson.
And he told me the story of what had been done and said, I've got to carry this bag for maybe a year or two, which I only had to carry for nine months.
It's a pretty typical experience that people have with clinical death.
And we'll do another one of these stories, another one of these shows, devoted to those who have clinically died soon, very soon.
We'll do an open lines night for those who have clinically died.
It's really, you know, of all the questions that we deal with, and we deal with some mighty interesting questions on this program.
Whether or not there is, in fact, life after death, I think is the most important question for all of mankind.
I mean, even beyond speculating about life on other planets and in other systems, considering the mortal length of time that we spend here on the planet, whether the consciousness, the spirit, everything that we are continues after physical death is the single most important question in the world.
And so things like electronic voice phenomena, things like we just heard from this man, stories we just heard from this man, and so many others that I've put on the air, are beginning to add up to be significant evidence.
I mean, perhaps even incontrovertible evidence at some point in their totality that there is an afterlife.
Now, my question is, on this healing thing, if somebody comes along with a cure for every virus, bacteria, and parasite on the face of the earth, and it's easy less than a few bucks for any person to do without any side effects whatsoever, what would happen?
All the pharmaceutical companies that produce all the remedies for all the colds and flus and viruses and things that you talked about, what kind of money do you think they make every year?
Coming up in a moment, the world's foremost remote viewing teacher, Edward A. Dames, Major U.S. Army retired now, creator of the technical remote viewing and co-creator of Mind Dazzle.
An original member of the U.S. Army Prototype Remote Viewing Training Program, he subsequently served as a training and operations officer for the Defense Intelligence Agency's Psychic Intelligence Collection Unit, currently serves as executive director for the Matrix Intelligence Agency, a private consulting group, affectionately known as Dr. Doom, because he was willing to look at things on out of ways that others simply would not look at.
Well, in the business I'm in, you know, doing talk shows, I deal with many, many topics.
Remote viewing is one of those topics that I've closed in on as being dead flat real.
No question about it.
I've passed that mark a long time ago.
You know, I wondered like a lot of people do about this kind of thing in the beginning, but I've interviewed you so many times, so many, in fact, almost I think every remote viewer involved in the program.
So the threshold of belief for me was passed a long time ago.
Well, this is where you went down a little bit different path than some of the other remote viewers.
And that's why, to me, you are so interesting, because you're not afraid to look downline.
They were consumed with the everyday work of looking at what's happening today or where somebody or something is today.
Somewhere along the line, you decided to start looking into the future, which is one of the things remote viewing can do, and that makes you a really interesting cat.
I know that we've tasked you with a number of projects, which we're going to get into tonight.
But, you know, I want to task you with one if I can.
Sure.
I mean, the most incredible story that I've had in a while now, and I get some pretty incredible stories, would be this pulsing X-ray story from Jupiter.
Now, it's not just me.
I mean, I could have added these words on my own after reading the story.
You know, scientists are puzzled at a gigawatt signal coming from the North Pole of Jupiter.
That's interesting enough by itself.
Imagining without the scientific quotes I've got, there might be some natural explanation for this.
But, God, in this NASA thing, they're using words like beacon.
Beacon is used.
Now, that's an important word, beacon.
And let's see, what else do they use?
ET-type signal.
That's an important phrase, too.
And, you know, it's from the Mouse babes here at NASA.
In other words, what the hell is on Jupiter sending out a regular signal?
And it took me 10 years to train the best team in the world, and we'll take a look at that.
If it is something like a geophysical event, a geophysical phenomenon, or an epiphenomenon of something geophysical, it's actually, it can be difficult for us to put that together.
We have to go to experts and say, well, let me give you an example.
Actually, no, they're red and blue flashes in the upper atmosphere.
Okay, right.
This phenomenon has stumped geophysicists for many, many years.
And we, as remote viewers, looked at that phenomenon and attempted to piece together the pieces of the puzzle.
And because members of my team are not physicists or just very highly skilled observers, and this is a geophysical phenomenon that deals with oxygen and nitrogen being raised above ground state and then falling back to ground state and giving off quanta of light in their respective frequencies, blue and red.
It was difficult for us as non-physicists to put together the picture.
So we had to actually sit down with physicists and say, this is what's happening.
As opposed to if we're dealing with a mechanism that was built by intelligent beings, that is a far easier task for us to do because we don't have to get down at the atomic and molecular level to describe what's inside the electron cloud and those kinds of things.
Well, the scientists in this story originally believed that it was some sort of incredible aurora effect discharge, but now they say no.
So if the answer to that is no, and this really is a signal, then, you know, it at least has a possibility, Ed, of being regular like that, of being, gosh, of being some sort of beacon, Ed, some sort of beacon.
Well, I'll be talking about, it's ironic, paradoxical, although nothing surprises me anymore, that we will be talking about something like that tonight on your show, something that my team has found very, very unique, wonderful thing connected with my Institute's Project Starman.
Yes, I mentioned here before that it appears from our work that based upon tracking UFOs and just describing life in the cosmos, because remote means just that, remote viewing, the universe is teeming with life, as we know.
And Project Starman dealt with contact.
And our assumption was, based upon our remote viewing work, that we could build something, a beacon, or a, let's say, a passive corner reflector, something that would attract and possibly lead to contact.
We thought it had to do with a couple of other things, and we were prepared to build it, except one thing happened.
We found out that all of our work that described this mechanism, and we have tons of work, probably actually two yards, linear yards of remote viewing sessions, 45 minutes, two hours each.
It is not describing something that we built.
It's describing something that's already on the planet.
Well, yeah, it's exactly the same thing then, because most of the heavyweight theoretical physicists and people like that, the Michio Kakus of the world, they think the most practical way to make contact,
as it were, would be beacons that would be left in places like, say, on Jupiter or right here on Earth, some kind of something that would be left and discovered when the civilization thought to be budding at the time reached the point technologically where they could and would discover it and or get to it.
So it's commonly thought to be the way contact might occur.
Although we believe, of course we're biased in our work, especially the Matrix Intelligence Agency team is biased.
We believe that remote viewing, this kind of mind tool, and that's all it is, a mind tool, was the required method to be able to discern what this is and to find it.
That we had to reach a point where, well, for instance, I think it's easy for you to see that if I had never seen you before in person and I see you, I might immediately, because of my cultural conditioning and biological programming, draw assumptions about what kind of a person you are, right?
And I think that if we use if I remote view you, remote viewing is direct knowledge by going to your deep mind, which I would not do because it's not ethical, just because one has a specialized skill I don't think gives one uh the the right to be able to employ it.
But if we did, uh we would see who you what you what kind of character you you really possess and and know much more about you.
And then when I saw you in person, uh it the the the way you physically appear uh would not would not make so so much of a difference uh to us.
And we think that if, for instance, if let's say they land and they look for they're the ferengi or they and uh they or they look like uh some something that is not uh very tasteful in terms of human aesthetics but they have good hearts, let's say, metaphorically, we wouldn't be able to get past the superficial surface of an intelligent being.
You may not like it, but I'm going to give you an answer because this has been the cattle mutilation phenomenon has stumped us, stumped us ever since I tasked my military remote viewers, the military's team, against these kinds of things.
In fact, we used to have scientists under the table bring me as operational.
Well, during the McCarthy era, I could see something like that happening where a short shrift was given to the rights of American citizens, although I think we're entering into those kinds of dark ages again soon.
But right now, could you see someone like Colin Powell, who I worked for as a military officer on some very deep black projects?
Could you see someone like him authorizing a military team for whatever reason to kill the animals belonging to private ranchers in America?
Major Ed Dames is my guest, and we're about to find out, even though I might not like it, you might not like it, what cattle mutilations are all about.
I didn't even know that Ed knew, or perhaps it was some previous task long ago.
I didn't know he knew, but apparently he does, so stand by for that.
Animals with big parts of their bodies, even major parts, cored out, sharp implements.
No footsteps, careful forensic examination, no footsteps, no devil group doing it, no explanation, lots of UFO sightings or sightings of craft in and mixed in with these mutilations.
Yes, he asked me to take a look because they were stymied.
And usually at a tactic of desperation, people, whether it's the Department of Defense or scientific community or law enforcement, comes to remote viewers.
And so we set about to attempt to discern using our methods and techniques what in this specific case, that particular calf, that one that was butchered virtually under the noses of the ranchers.
But the system is able to not project like the Wizard of Oz, not project an image, but do more than that.
Much more than that.
You're familiar with how directed energy works at our primitive Neanderthal level, whether it's a charged particle beam, high-power microwave laser, whatever.
Now think of taking a beam like that and projecting it somewhere and then programming the beam so that it could assemble atoms of, let's say, nitrogen, oxygen, anything that it finds in the vicinity, let's say in the air, and make whatever you wanted it to make.
A knife, a craft, a device, anything.
Something that looks like a flying saucer or an aircraft or a black helicopter.
But it's solid art.
Solid.
It's made out of solid atoms.
The atomic structure, at least momentarily until the projector is turned off, is a solid thing.
It's programmed to operate a certain way.
In this case, it's programmed to suck up, lift up a tractor beam, this calf, slice and dice it, and drop it back down.
Well, you know, I asked Colum about the message, and he said he seemed to think it might be that, look, we can do whatever we want, anytime we want, anywhere we want, period.
Well, I don't know if there's cause and effect here or if there's a concatenation of events.
That particular message appears to be just one specific sign, and it is butchery.
It's just meant to say this is butchery, and what you're doing is butchery, and there's no respect or regard for life.
And we're going to rip this thing apart the same way you do in the slaughterhouse, and then show you, to your horror, you know, what it looks like to remind you of what you have become.
And that's how the system out there looks at us and wants to show us that way.
It doesn't land on the White House lawn and say, you guys are butchers.
It uses these physical metaphors and allegories this way.
And there's many more of them that are out there in terms of phenomenology and enigma.
And I think it's best, let's say 2,500 years ago, it's written in the Bible about Enoch, whose eyes were anointed by angels.
And Enoch was allowed to see into the future and saw everything, saw the wars and the horror of the things that mankind inflicts upon his fellow man.
And was able to tolerate that, except for one thing that he was not able to tolerate.
Enoch said, please don't show me anymore.
I can't stand this.
In fact, I won't be able to live another day unless you, the angels or God, whoever anointed his eyes, shows him a point.
There's one thing that Enoch couldn't stand.
He saw the earth in agony.
And Enoch says, you must show me a time when the earth will no longer be in agony.
And so the God said, okay, take a look at this.
Enoch said, okay, now I can go back to work.
So it wasn't the war and the horror of that.
It was the horror and the agony that this man was feeling that he could not feel, if his eyes were not anointed, that the earth was undergoing this kind of agony.
When I train people in my art, it's important that they can discriminate emotions that are present at remote sites and to know, to discriminate between their own emotions, the students' own emotions, and the emotions that are present at a distant target, if there are any.
Well, you know, my hardest students are dentists and doctors.
Because if you're a dentist and you're inflicting pain over and over again, let's say you're a pediatric dentist, and you're inflicting pain, even though you know that in the end the child will be better off for it, you still have to inure yourself to the child's pain.
And unconsciously, you develop this very thick skin.
You become a callous unwittingly.
And I have a very difficult time breaking through that.
So we seem to, it's okay to be able to burn and to incinerate 12 million head of cattle, let's say, in England alone and dump their remains into the sea just because they have a disease and think nothing of it.
Again, going back to Sitchin and others, so many others, they've talked, you know, to me, it always resembled like a fable, this tenth planet or maybe burned-out sun or whatever it is that might be out there and might every now and then come by Earth and sort of do a reset, a giant reset, killing most life.
But, you know, then there was this ABCNews.com story that we had up on the website suddenly signed to saying, well, by God, we may have found either a tenth planet or a burned-out sun.
We're not sure which, and we're not ready to name it yet, but it's way, way out there beyond the orbit of Pluto.
And I read that story and went, oh, my God, maybe the myth is not a myth.
It would really be useful for many of us to know if this, whatever it is, really is out there and is on some long-period rotation that brings it by our sun and our earth and wreaks havoc every 4,000 years, 3,600 years, whatever, I think you could look into that.
But we see in our lifetime, and I can go into the background if you want, but the long story made short is this.
This body, right now we're looking at something, 2001KX76, that's International Astronomical Union's label on something that may be a candidate for Nibiru or Marduk or this passing space body, this tenth planet, 2001KX76.
Heading our way.
And it is indeed going to cause Earth to tip and to topple.
And the biblical and the biblical, one-third of the fishes in the sea, one-third of the planets on land, one-third of people on Earth will die.
This is what causes it, this guy, coming by and gets two swipes with us, right?
One in the inbound and one as it swings around the sun and comes back.
Which way it's going to get us or bold.
It's going to pass by Earth so closely, the gravitational field, and this has not been the first time it happened.
Sometimes it passes far enough away where it doesn't do that much historically.
But there have been times where it has caused tremendous amounts of, has a tremendous effect on Earth that we have.
That is what the gravity, this passing space body, the gravitational effect of this body, this tenth planet, if you will, passing in the inner solar system caused the Earth to not just precess, but wobble.
And wobbled so badly that it inundated vast tracts of land and changed the geography tremendously.
If you think of time as a fourth dimension, mine looks down on this.
And it is very difficult in our work to get dates.
But what was happening over the last six or seven years is when we looked at a person's life, a lot of times in my class, when I teach this in a vocational and professional course, we'll take the student and we'll project their life forward on a trajectory that is the most fulfilling for that particular student in a number of different ways.
Some are loosely defined.
But about six years ago, everybody's trajectory, everyone's, started to be the same.
And that was be underground.
Not permanently, but be underground.
No longer did we have a student who was looking at a better place to live, a majority.
His trajectory was put him in terms of a very fulfilling optimum life, put him on essentially a cruise ship, which is something he always wanted to do.
And that was his trajectory.
And he died six months after the course.
He was 80-something years old.
So his trajectory, he wasn't going to make it to see this event.
And that was his optimum life projection right there.
Gee, for something that big, that means it does come in quickly.
Well, I'm almost sorry I asked.
Major Ed Ames, here's my guess.
We have a lot of material to get through.
The mystery rash, the fossilized tooth.
The next target here on U.S. soil, the terrorists.
We'll be right back.
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The next target here on U.S. soil, the terrorists.
The next target here on U.S. soil, the terrorists.
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But we took this on as a project because we like to keep that razor's edge as remote viewers, as experts.
And things like this break up the monotony of looking for terrorists and things like that.
And it really is good to do this.
I did it with my military team 19 years ago, and I do it now with a Matrix Intelligence Agency team.
Otherwise, we fall into a rut.
And so the novelty access of stimulus and these kinds of extracurricular projects are not difficult for us to do, and they break up the monotony.
So that's why we took it on.
We started with Chapman Elementary School in Sheridan, Illinois, which was where this rash allegedly started, before it started spreading.
And when we conduct a matrix search, a search of the collective unconscious, these search terms are interpreted literally.
It's just like you would go to a library and then submit a library card.
The way we set up a search, the search terms are interpreted literally.
And it's very specific.
So we don't want to, if we were to just attempt to target the rash in general, well, we might get any number of different results in remote viewing sessions and never be able to establish exactly what is causing arrest because we may be looking at a number of different things, I guess.
So we want a chain of custody, and we took only Chapman Elementary School where any reasonable person would say, yes, this rash appears to be the same that's in 14 states now.
And, you know, the doctors and the Center for Disease Control were looking for environmental reasons.
CDC, by the way, is mostly made up of virologists.
So they're looking for viruses, of course.
And we don't look for anything.
We take the specific example, this rash, and we look at the cause or the origin or both.
And in this case, it was pretty easy.
In this particular example, the school's milk supply was tainted with a microbial toxin.
It doesn't come from the cows.
It came from a processing plant.
So the source was a microbe.
And the microbes were in the pipe somewhere in a processing plant in a milk factory.
And that is what was tainting the milk.
And the toxins, whether they were fungal or microbial in origin, we didn't go further than that, were causing that rash to break out on those sculpture.
Now, another project that you've taken on, I got this.
I guess you heard it on the show or read about it on the website, but this man and his brother received from their father this tooth, this apparent human tooth.
Now, how did they get the tooth?
Well, the dad was a geologist for an oil company down in Louisiana, and his job was to break open core samples that were taken in this case, 4,300 feet below the surface of Louisiana.
And, of course, they're looking for oil, but he would break the core sample open, and one day, in all these years of doing what he did, he broke open a core sample taken at 4,300 feet, and lo and behold, here's this human tooth, a tooth of a child.
Now, it is a bit of a mystery, Ed, how a child's tooth could make it, you know, down 4,300 feet in the middle of a core sample.
That's a pretty good mystery, I'd say, one worthy of the talents of a remote viewer.
But anyway, the artifact, it does look very much like a tooth.
And according to the gentleman who is in possession of this artifact, he says that dentists visually think it is a tooth.
But it's not.
It is simply a volcanic origin.
And if a qualitative analysis is done on this particular artifact and it has not been, it has to actually be scratched, it will be easy to see that it is simply volcanic rock and it is not a tooth.
I started out teaching the military team, including some of the original remote viewers.
Mel Riley was my student.
I personally selected the replacement for the Defense Intelligence Agency team, Gabrielle Pettingell.
I trained her.
And they're out and about these days.
And I have been training since then.
And I'm the director of the Technical Remote Viewing Institute at the Remote Viewing campus, about four minutes south of Los Angeles.
And we teach vocational professional courses there.
If anybody's interested, they can go to the website remoteviewing.la or they can go to the TRV Institute link at your website and that will give them any information.
But we've distilled almost 20 years of knowledge about remote viewing into a kit and a very neat kit called Mind Dazzle, very beautiful kit put together by an Emmy Award-winning documentary educational video maker and an artist.
It's got 200 sealed envelopes in it and a quick start guide.
So right out of the box, five minutes after you're out of the box, you get to experience what remote viewing is all about, prove to yourself that it's real.
And that's the kit that we made.
And it is more fun than a barrel of monkeys.
It's very non-plussing to the skeptics when they see, oh my God, they can do this.
They just described a target that is referenced to a photograph in one of these 200 blank envelopes.
And now you see, people, their minds are dazzled because they don't know how they did this.
This is outside of their frame of reference.
And so it's very interesting to watch people use Mind Dazzle for the first time, and all of a sudden their face turns red, and it's like, how did I do that?
And they can order it on a toll-free number in Canada and the United States, 24-hour live operators.
And the same number, if you want information about the workshops that I teach personally with my colleague F.M. Bonzahl in Los Angeles, I have monthly weekend workshops on the remote viewing campus.
And the same number will get you information on both those things, Mindazzle and the workshops, and that's 1-800-441-8547.
Obviously, Ed, I recall that you told us that Osama bin Laden had orchestrated the attack on America, the 9-11 attack, from a bunker which was located in southern Afghanistan.
We're not doing a lot of work on that, but because there's no way to follow up on it, we can simply pass the information to the U.S. Special Operations Command like we did the original work.
But it appears that he's still in, he's alive and well.
It looks like he's in southwest Afghanistan.
However, we are only putting an 80% likelihood on that.
There is a 20% likelihood in terms of our data analytical techniques that he's in Tunisia or Algeria.
But we think it's 80% that he's still in southwest Afghanistan.
I've seen some far-out things lately.
I saw a group of so-called remote viewers say he was in Bangladesh.
And this is not expert remote viewing.
This is just, you know, there's a lot of folks out there that think they know how to remote view, but unless you know what you're doing, there are pitfalls in abundance.
But he is still alive.
We can determine dead or alive in about five minutes.
We can teach people how to do this in our workshops, too, our weekend workshops.
But in terms of location, that does take an expert to put together.
I mean, look, we got news just recently that the government knew or strongly suspected, you know, at some point, that a 10-kiloton nuclear weapon was being brought into New York City.
Well, so anyway, the answer really is yes, I want to know, because I guess we've heard it almost all by now.
I mean, we all know that nuclear plants are a possible target and that planes actually flew over them on the way to the World Trade Center and the Pentagon flew right over nuclear plants, so they could be a target.
Dams, we all know Boulder Dam is being protected.
I think we all, most adults in this country understand that we have a lot of vulnerabilities in this country.
And so naming a target that has been discerned through remote viewing can only have, in my opinion, positive consequences, meaning that something will be protected more heavily.
Somebody will regard it as possible intelligence and look into it or whatever.
So I can't see that naming what they think is going to be what they're planning from your point of view is a bad thing, Ed.
And I've gotten very positive feedback on these projects from law enforcement.
Very positive feedback indeed.
So now, if you don't have a large kinetic energy instrument, such as an airliner or a missile, you're not going to be able to take out a dam or to breach the physical security on a reactor, a dome, obviously.
So now you're stuck here on U.S. mainland.
What do you do?
You still have a mission, right?
Mission is terror.
And if your general mission is still to incapacitate a power plant, and that scares a lot of people, for instance, let's say you took out the Diablo Cannon nuclear power plant, which happened to be on a target list.
That's 2 million people without power.
That's scary because now you have shown, you've terrorized 2 million people plus.
Anyway, current target is the Shasta Dam and power plant in Reading, California.
They're looking to take out the power plant beneath Shasta Dam.
It's a viable target.
They can do it with the explosives that they have available to them.
And that is what this team, this al-Qaeda cell, is going after right now.
These public service projects, I just want to let you know that these are public service projects that Matrix Intelligence Agency does, and they cost money.
I pay my viewers $200 to $300 a session.
That's one hour to one and a half hours worth of work.
We have a project right now to dig up the body of a murdered child to prove that she was murdered.
All right, so the money that your organization makes come from sales of things like mind dazzle and that sort of thing, as well as whatever you're commissioned to do, and you get commissions, what, from private industry and individuals?
It was simply that I had never experienced anything that coldly and crystallinely beautiful in my life.
It was to turn your attention onto this idea.
Ideas have a reality all their own.
And what we're remote viewing is a pattern of information that needs a label.
The collective unconscious has no names, obviously.
It has patterns of information.
And if you don't have in your experience a label, in your experience, like for instance, the color red, there's no red in the collective unconscious.
The name red or rojo or however you wish to say it in any language isn't there.
There's a pattern that's there that's recognized across the spectrum of homo sapiens.
But if you've never been exposed to that color, you don't have a label for what you're perceiving.
And so when I turn my attention to this idea of Satan, what I describe can only be described as a crystalline, beautiful, intelligent thing that I had never experienced before.
Coldly beautiful.
And that to that degree, it affected me, and only that.
I think it's some level down where the rubber meets the road at our level, material, physical reality, there, there we have terms evil, and it may originate from this entity, but I actually didn't establish an association between the term what it was.
In fact, I know better than to rule something else like that.
When mind turns its attention to something, you become part of its history, part of its what it is.
Last show, you asked me to try to get behind the mech to understand the mechanics and dynamics behind collective psychokinesis, telekinesis, the effect on instruments at Princeton University.
When you asked your listening audience to participate in an experiment, you asked me to see if I could understand that.
The psychokinetic effect, sort of a big TK party on the air, and your clock would be the recipient of this, would be to turn all your listening audience's attention to the magnet in the clock.
Because the psychokinetic effect is very influential in magnetic fields.
There's what I call a pre-quantum field, and just below the magnetic field, there's an effect.
And everybody's mind, if everyone turned their attention, for instance, to your clock, when I said go to the clock in your studio, there would be an effect, and it would change the magnetic field around your clock.
For instance, if your fans really cared about your back, really cared about your back, and actually said a prayer for your back to heal, what we would call in the vernacular a miracle, that would be different because now you're evoking an outside agency.
In the military unit, we spent a little bit of time, only a little bit, on psychokinesis.
The reason it was only a little bit of time is because intelligence matters were so pressing.
We needed to answer the mail on some very critical areas in terms of the Erstwild Soviet biochemical warfare program or the makeup of the SS-18 missile, things like that, or what were the Chinese doing today.
But we did experiment a little bit with psychokinesis and with the idea that maybe we could fine-tune this effect as much as remote viewing is today at the Technical Remote Viewing Institute, my institute.
Maybe we could do this with psychokinesis.
But all we managed to do was to destroy some of the computers locally in our own office.
The clock in front of me continues to function flawlessly.
You know, I worried so hard about it that I tuned in the 10 megahertz WWV National Bureau of Standard Signal and checked it out and compared it to my clock in front of me.
I'm worried about what you all are doing out there.
It's working fine.
Dead on the money.
But then during the break, I turned around, and you see, I'm no fool.
I have many clocks.
I have a second atomic clock, which is over the computer, which is behind me.
You can sometimes see a little bit of it in the webcam photo.
And it, too, it's an atomic clock, too.
And let me see.
The time I'm going to read to you is going to sound wrong to you because there are delays involved in satellite transmission and six-second delay for talk radio and all that.
The clock in front of me is wrong, but the clock behind me.
Now, mind you, I didn't check this until the break came up after we talked about all this.
Ah, geez.
Once again, troublemaking Major Ed Dames.
Well, great, Ed.
So now I can't confirm that anything happened instantly because as I did the program with you and we talked about my clock, I was facing forward toward the clock in front of me, which is just in front and above me, which I watch very carefully because of the importance of network break times.
Now, I've got a secondary clock, which I hadn't thought about until the break began.
I looked back at it.
I did the time check on the clock in front of me, and the clock behind me still right now, right now, is running five seconds faster than the clock in front of me.
Now, again, if we look at the source of that particular emission, soft X-ray emission source, we might come up with some geophysical phenomenon.
That does not necessarily rule out that a very advanced race was not able to tweak the planet and to tweak the atmosphere and the geophysics of Jupiter to cause that effect.
So we not only have to look at the source of the emissions, we have to look at its origin.
Does that make sense to you?
In other words, we have to look at the source of the source as a double check to make sure that it is either strictly geophysical or that perhaps an advanced race wasn't able to set something up and then they left.
And we might discern it.
We might make the mistake of calling it, well, just purely a geophysical effect.
Where in fact, it may have been that an intelligent agency has tweaked the planet to do something.
I have a question, and then if you'll permit me a comment on a sentence that Ed made.
The question is, and I think your clocks partially have answered it, once you have focused on something with remote viewing, is it possible, either through prayer, concentration, meditation, to change something you've seen in the future, hopefully for the better?
Something that has been remote viewed as an event that will occur, could prayer, mass prayer, or attention, your word, prayer, could that change the event?
I didn't say, if I said only, I didn't mean to say that.
Why sleep is important is because people with active mind, your mind gets in the way of healing.
It's one of the reasons why meditation is a good thing, because it frees up your body to heal.
And the reason why most healing occurs at sleep is because people's minds have shut down for the day and the body can begin to heal effectively.
Whereas in the daytime, if you have an active mind, of course the universe can get there's plenty of room for everything there, but it's just more effective at night for most of the people who are healed.
We did have this mass attempt at healing with regard to Rushland Boff, and people immediately, of course, send emails and said, ah, Rush can't hear.
It didn't work.
It didn't work.
Well, all right, fine.
He went and had the cochlear implant.
And then a miracle did occur.
Now, with the cochlear implant, it's going to take you, according to the doctors, months to begin to interpret the odd sounds that you get from this implant as speech and put it together with speech so that you understand what's being said to you.
It takes a few months for that to occur.
Well, immediately after Rush Limbaugh had this cochlear implant, and I would say miraculously, he got on a, he'd been totally deaf.
He got on a cell phone with a family member and had a conversation.
That was astounding.
Absolutely astounding.
He is now, without the help of people writing things down for him, hearing and conversing with callers on the telephone, doing his show.
And the other day, there was a press release issued in which Rush, who doesn't use a word like this loosely, used the word miraculous with regard to what's happened to him.
So now, did what we all did have anything to do with that?
I don't know.
I'll leave that up to people's individual judgment, but that's the truth.
Well, if we're willing to accept the existence of miracles, statues, crying blood, and things like that, and we're willing to allow room for anything out there, I don't think that mind is limited.
Mind is fallible and limited.
I teach an extremely powerful and unique mind tool, but I know how limited it is.
There's things far beyond mind that that's what remote viewing can lead you to.
That's why it's so important to me, because it led me to a place where that's beyond the mind.
I have heard the statement made in the past by somebody that pulsars may be beacons or navigational aids for anything that happens to be out there beyond our capabilities.
If I were traveling in time through space, especially parsec distances, galaxy to galaxy or intergalaxy, if you pop out somewhere and you need to know where you are, I think, I mean, in my limited experience as a human being, that pulsars would be a pretty darn good time reference if somebody else had already, if you had pulsars in a register somewhere.
I want to ask you, could you remote view the singular claims that the Bible makes concerning Jesus of Nazareth?
I was thinking specifically on scriptures such as that he is the only name under heaven by which men must be saved, and also John 3, 16, for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son.
We need something that's physical, an actual, in almost all cases, we need to have something that's physically related to the target rather than an abstract.
I know this probably would get, you know, it's a troublesome area, to be sure, but you did once tell me, you remote viewed, the physical man Jesus did, in fact, walk this earth.
And if you can develop a model for something, whether it's one of the beauties of expert remote viewing, the technique itself, is it's a foot in the door.
If you turn your attention and your expertise onto other areas of human potential, you can develop a model for what may be going on.
If you can develop a model, then you can teach it.
I picked Los Angeles because some of the most creative minds, some of them are warped, but the most creative minds I have ever run into on the planet are in L.A. Yeah, well, that's frequently the case with creative minds.
I do a number of things with the entertainment business and the industry.
I'm doing a screenplay now, and I'm taking essentially all the fun stuff that we've talked about on your show over the last five and a half years, and working with a good screenplay writer and putting together a nice movie.
Events that haven't resorted horizon that exists going forward in time for remote viewers that doesn't exist in the past.
If we can effectively use, let's say, a team of six remote viewers to look at and to describe an event in the future, let's say an explosion somewhere, then that event is usually a fait accompli.
It's going to happen.
Otherwise, I would say that things are sometimes fuzzy in the future unless they're very big.
The tooth from the core sample aside, which you have explained, there are so many geologic findings, Ed, that would seem to suggest that man has been on Earth so much longer than everybody believes, that man has come and gone, civilizations have come and gone.
It would be then relatively easy, would it not, for a remote viewer to look back and either confirm or put to rest that whole argument?
Anyway, for Mr. Dames, something I've been doing for a few years, I sort of do little experiments, but I keep them to myself, so it looks like the cat's out of the bag, according to the latest news.
I've been setting up a camcorder on a tripod at night and pointing it at the brightest star.
I thought many years ago that when we're trying to receive radio communications from other stars or whatever, it's sort of ridiculous, that the best way, the more bang for your buck is optically with lasers than from you could send very little wattage and you could reach a very sharp point in unit on a laser.
We'd have to Actually, look at that disease origin and not the origin of the disease necessarily, because the origin of the disease as an epidemiological factor is a group of cows, you know, who are transmitting this.
We have to look at the origin of the prion, the prion condition itself.
A lot of people don't understand, Ed, that you're not a psychic, and you're not prepared to sit here and give answers to questions that people raise that you have not done specific projects on.
Although I know certainly that all targets, we can call them targets, of opportunity like this are being scrutinized much more carefully, obviously, in recent days.
All right.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
I can give you information about as a skilled remote viewer and a remote viewing team that there was a man that the idea of Jesus of Nazareth, when that topic is hit, all remote viewers describe the same person.
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Okay.
Would it be possible to remote view the resurrection and or ascension?
This is Robert from Jacksonville, Florida, listening to NWOKV, 690DM dial.
Yes, sir.
Major Ed Dames, it's obvious you're a very articulate man, and I would hope before your demise there might be an autobiography from Ed Dames, number one.
Yeah, the original hole was a lava tube that's very deep, and there's a river flowing through it right now.
But it is a lava tube, a deep lava tube, and you put things in Mel's hole, and except we can actually sketch the trash that's down there, like things that they threw in, heavy stuff.
But all the other Stuff is taken away down that water that flows through the lava tube, but I don't know about a second hole.