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	so so
	i was a highway man along the coach roads i did ride sword and pistol by my side
	Many a young maid lost her marbles to my trade Many a soldier shed his lifeblood on my blade The bastards hung me in the spring of 49 But I am still alive I was a sailor I was born upon the tide With the sea I did abide I sailed a schooner around the Horn of Mexico I went along to furl the mainsail in a blow And when the yards broke up they said that I got killed But I'm livin' still
	I was a dam builder Across the river deep and wide Where steel and water did collide A place called Boulder on the wild Colorado I slipped and fell into the wet concrete below They buried me in that great tomb that knows no sound But I'm still around.
	I'll always be around, and around, and around, and around, and around.
	And around and around and around I'll fly a starship
	Across the universe divide And when I reach the other side
	I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can Perhaps I may become a highway man again
	Or I may simply be a single drop of rain Yeah!
	One of the highwaymen is gone.
	He was one of the highwaymen.
	and again somewhere in time
	tonight featuring close to close to him from february thirteenth two thousand
	two one of the highwaymen is gone
	he was one of the highwaymen waylon jennings
	who's uh... rebellious songs and brash attitude to find the outlaw movement
	He died today after a long battle with diabetes.
	He was 64 years old, too young to be dying.
	He did die peacefully, it was said, at his home in Arizona.
	He had 60 albums, and he had 16 number one country singles.
	Some career, huh?
	One of the group.
	One of the high women.
	Gone.
	And I thought that was kind of an appropriate way to open the program instead of the usual theme music tonight.
	Willie Nelson is a friend of mine, and he's one of the highwaymen, too.
	And had I had enough time today, I would have... In fact, Willie, if you want to say something, I know you're a listener to the program.
	Feel free to call my network, and they'll send a number up to me if you happen to be listening, and I will put you on the air and say whatever you want.
	But he's gone, and so I thought that the appropriate memorial in more ways than one, if you listen to the words of that song.
	So goodbye, Waylon.
	Life is such a strange thing, isn't it?
	He could have gone with Buddy Holly.
	Some would have said he was supposed to, but obviously he wasn't, right?
	Now is when he was supposed to go.
	So, sorry.
	Elsewhere in the world, the French figure skating judge was pressured to listen to this, quote, act in a certain way Before she voted to give the gold to the Russians in pairs.
	This is according to the head of the French Olympic team this evening.
	That's a big story.
	A judge, a French judge of all... You know, the French are the most obstinate, individualistic, sometimes annoying group of people on the face of the globe as far as I'm concerned.
	I love France, by the way.
	I absolutely love Paris.
	But the French, well...
	And so a French judge was pressured to go the way of the Russians?
	Holy mackerel.
	You can't pressure the French to do anything, usually.
	Interesting.
	President Bush on global warming.
	Now this is also really interesting.
	President Bush, offering his alternative to the Kyoto Global Warming Pact, listen to this now, wants U.S.
	businesses to voluntarily track and reduce the output of greenhouse gases.
	Voluntarily, huh?
	He would offer an array of tax incentives, that's good, for corporations, farms, and individuals to do so.
	In addition, Bush said the government in 2012, interesting year, George, end of the Mayan calendar, anyway, said the government in 2012 Will reevaluate its success in cutting greenhouse gases and consider a new possibly tougher system Now that will be an interesting year in which to reconsider getting tougher on global warming 2012.
	What do you think?
	Enron executive Sharon Watkins is it?
	Warned chairman Kenneth lay back on the 30th of October that quote We need to come clean Disclose the heavy financial losses from the company's complex web of partnerships, so Somebody has at least said something and speaking of people saying things I Was absolutely stunned today, I don't know why I should be because he said a lot of crazy stuff, you know But this one takes the cake and I wrote the quote down word for word from CNN I just you know stopped the action on CNN
	Which you can do with these nice new digital satellite receivers that have hard drives in them, and wrote it down.
	And Ted Turner said, quote, The reason the World Trade Center got hit is because there are a lot of people living in abject poverty out there who don't have hope for a better life.
	End quote.
	Holy crap, Ted!
	What are you talking about?
	The reason the World Trade Center got hit is because there are a lot of people living in abject poverty out there who don't have hope for a better life?
	Huh.
	That's astounding.
	You know, Ted has said some astoundingly stupid things in my opinion in the past, but this one really takes the cake.
	There is a story coming out of Mexico that's very disturbing.
	Apparently, it's hard to understand these kinds of numbers, but hundreds of millions of monarch butterflies have died in a cataclysmic freak snowstorm in the Mexican mountains where they spend each winter after a journey of about 3,000 miles American and Mexican researchers estimated that as many as 270 million frozen butterfly bodies now littered the ground after the storm last month in their pine forest havens west of Mexico City.
	270 million monarch butterflies.
	Now those are pretty heavy numbers.
	Those are just about actually the numbers, the exact number of people or close to it that we have In totality, in the United States of America, that many people!
	270 million monarch butterflies, oh my god!
	So I guess they didn't go far enough south, huh?
	Because of their arrival, because it actually coincided with Mexico's Day of the Dead celebrations, many villagers believe that the Butterflies represent the spirit of their ancestors.
	So then I wonder what that means to them that this would occur.
	The spirit of their ancestors, huh?
	270 million dead.
	Yikes!
	Somebody in the last few days has been calling me and commenting on some sort of hum near Kokomo, Indiana.
	And there is something going on.
	Complaints about the Kokomo Hum began in 1999 when a handful of local residents began to report a constant, low-pitched, rumbling noise.
	They say they developed a range of mysterious health problems soon after, including dizziness, diarrhea, extreme fatigue, joint muscle pain, nosebleeds, excruciating, unending headaches.
	One 55-year-old grandmother said, I think we all know something was starting to go drastically wrong about two years ago.
	It went from headache to never-ending headache, she says, when she leaves Kokomo to visit relatives the suffering abates.
	Maria McDaniel said it's been over two years now.
	She lives several miles away from the first person named Zimmerman with the headaches.
	We just noticed a low hum, a drone in the background.
	It seemed to increase in intensity.
	In the wee hours of the night, like right now, for example.
	McDaniel says she and her two sons and her husband began to experience regular headaches, sleep problems, diarrhea, around the same time, all of them.
	She admits she doesn't know for certain how the sound she hears relates to the symptoms, but she wants the hum investigated.
	Now, it goes on and on and on and on.
	It's an ABCnews.com story, so this is in the mainstream press.
	You can go to ABCnews.com and read it, or I'm sure we'll get a link up.
	Isn't that something?
	Personally, it would be my guess that it's something going on underground.
	It might be a transference, you know, like from a diesel engine running somewhere or something, but you know, I don't really bother.
	This has got to be something deeper.
	To be felt over such a wide area, it has to be deeper in the earth.
	And the deeper in the earth something is, the wider an area it will affect.
	Witness the earthquake down in Central or South America, 780 some odd kilometers deep felt in New York.
	The deeper you go with some sort of sound or effect, the wider an area it will affect.
	So whatever this is, it must be down there some ways.
	It'd be very interesting to hear from some people in the Kokomo area or the area affected by this strange hum.
	This, in my opinion, indicator of something going on underground way down there.
	We'll be right back.
	Now, we take you back to the night of February 13, 2002 on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	We'll be right back.
	Maybe we'll get a few calls on the Kokomo Hum.
	Here's a very, very, very interesting article.
	This comes from CNN.
	It says, global warming could slow earth spin and lengthen days.
	Listen to this.
	By steadily releasing more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, and we're doing that folks, humans could inadvertently slow down the rotation of the earth according to a new scientific report.
	We get new scientific reports all the time.
	A team of Belgian researchers We seem to have here, came to that conclusion after using climate models to simulate a 1% increase in the primary greenhouse gas each year.
	Rise, they say, coincides with current trends.
	A while slight, the shift in a planet's spin could be measured over the course of decades, providing an ideal method to check the effects of civilization-induced warming of the world.
	The scientists said, the Earth's rotation is An interesting quantity, as it is global, meteorological data are mainly local, said one scientist.
	Consequently, the Earth's rotation is a useful tool for looking at the effects of global climate change.
	They plotted how the extra gas would affect ocean currents, atmospheric winds, and other meteorological patterns that influence the angular momentum of the Earth in the short term, Natural variations, like weather systems, would muddle the task of determining how much gas influx slows the planet.
	But over decades or longer, the human effect could become quite pronounced, at least in relation to precise measurements of celestial mechanics.
	So in other words, it could actually, they're saying, somehow alter the speed of the Earth.
	And I'm not exactly sure What the consequences of that would be, but I doubt that it would be anything good if we began to slow down.
	There would probably be some problems to contend with.
	Anyway, very quickly, to the phones we go.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Top of the morning, Art.
	And to you, sir.
	This is Raymond.
	I'm calling from Michigan.
	Yes, sir.
	I want to talk about hell.
	How?
	Hell.
	H-E-L.
	Oh, hell, hell.
	That hell, yes.
	Well, you know how some people feel that hell might be located in the center of the earth and it's an actual physical place?
	Yes.
	If hell is a place that some souls end up going, why would it be a physical place if your physical body doesn't go there?
	I don't know.
	I have no idea.
	I mean, other people think heaven is in the sky, right?
	Right?
	Yeah.
	It's the same sort of, I don't know, tribal concept.
	Well, if it's a place, though, for your soul, it wouldn't actually be a place that exists physically.
	Hell is just a word, sir.
	You know, I mean, some people picture it as a physical location.
	Other people don't think of it that way at all.
	I mean, it just depends on... It's just a word, sir.
	I know, but some people think... You know, if you're really bad, that's where you're going.
	You'll find out.
	I hope I don't find out, but some people feel that they might stumble upon it.
	They feel they heard hell noises accidentally.
	Yes, I have.
	As you well know, or maybe you don't know, I have hell... Did you know I have hell noises?
	Yeah, I've heard that.
	Have you?
	Yeah.
	The alleged Siberian Hole?
	Oh my God, listen.
	That sounds like a place to me, sir.
	Yeah, maybe I'm wrong.
	Maybe it doesn't.
	Sounds like Grand Central Station, actually.
	Yep.
	So, with a lot of unhappy people waiting for trains or something, I don't know.
	It doesn't sound good.
	Sounds like a place.
	Yeah, you may be right.
	Well, I hope I don't get fined out.
	Okay.
	All right, you take care.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Cheerio.
	Good morning, Mark.
	Yes, good morning.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
	Okay.
	I've got a short hypothesis.
	I've studied a little bit about this global warming effect.
	I've always wondered, with the holes appearing out of the poles, if this is just some effect of the majesty of the Earth and releasing these chloroform carbon gases into interstellar space and then contracting back.
	Basically moving and adding it as like a pop-off valve situation, and I've not yet found any information whatsoever to back up anything of that thought, but seems to me through the millennium of the Earth's history itself, through the volcanism that's happened, that we would have had some major things happen in the past, and the Earth would have not renewed itself as it has, but just a thought.
	That's what we're all about right here, serious thoughts.
	Thank you very much.
	You take care.
	From the high desert, I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Oh, by the way, there's a new Mars face, or an old Mars face, a new one to us.
	We're going to be talking about it next hour.
	It's gonna be interesting.
	You're listening to Arc Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM, from February 13th, 2002.
	He could sing a song.
	His heart and every line.
	Marlin, Marlin was his name.
	His heart in every line Marley, Marley
	Sang of the joy and pain He opened up our minds
	And I still can hear Him say Talk to me
	So you can see What's going on
	you you
	The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sound, or the strength of an oak when it leaps deep in the ground.
	The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
	Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing.
	To lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing.
	To add all these things in our memories home.
	And they use them to count us To fuck us
	Why?
	Why does she so Take his place
	On this trip?
	Just for the game?
	you Take a free ride, take a place, have a seat, it's all free.
	I've been on the swing for years.
	Swing so hard just to win my fears.
	Had to win my life before I ran.
	But by now, by now, I'm shivering through.
	You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 13th, 2002.
	Radio.
	It happens in the middle of the night.
	That would be us.
	Good morning, everybody.
	It's great to be here.
	And in a moment, we will continue with Open Lines, anything you want to discuss.
	Waylon Jennings certainly on my mind.
	Now we take you back to the night of February 13th 2002 on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	and Alright, somebody asked, and I would like to confirm for you that Eric Burden of the Animals, Eric Burden,
	He's going to be here on the 21st.
	He is booked for the 21st, and I'll give you a little hint.
	We're working pretty hard, or as hard as we can, on Cat Stevens, too.
	I'd like to have Cat Stevens on.
	He's got a lot of interesting views, and I've always been a really big fan of his music.
	So a couple people that are in the music world that we're thinking about having, well, one we are going to have on for sure, Eric Burden.
	Boy, does he have a lot to say about Jimi Hendrix.
	I'm doing good Art.
	How are you?
	I'm just spiffy.
	Okay, great.
	I wanted to make a couple of comments.
	Hello, this is Ruth Anna from Atlanta, Georgia.
	How are you doing?
	I'm doing good Art.
	How are you?
	I'm just spiffy.
	Okay, great.
	I wanted to make a couple of comments.
	I wanted to ask or throw out a couple of questions about the time machines.
	This also ties in with a show you recently had about people who affect batteries and
	who drain things.
	All right, let me update you a little bit on the time machine thing.
	You heard the story, I trust, that I read about the Russian?
	Yes.
	Okay, we are on the track, not of that man, because he does not speak English, but a colleague of his in St.
	Petersburg, Russia.
	We're trying to make contact with him right now and get him on the air.
	The Russians may have a time machine.
	Oh wow, that's fantastic.
	I hope that'll work out.
	Yes, and I'm glad for the update on that.
	My question was about the people who cause batteries and different things to not work or they put out street lamps and things like that, which my significant other of 15 years does do.
	I just wondered if in a time machine they would cause it to go haywire, since they cause so many other things to go
	haywire, which could be one of the problems when they're trying to use that if they
	try to use a person who does disorient machinery.
	Well, I wouldn't let them anywhere near my time machine if I had one.
	Yeah, and the other thing I wondered is if people who have a birthday on February the 29th
	don't already start out as a good candidate, since they're at a time where it doesn't always exist on the
	calendar.
	I don't know.
	That's very interesting.
	Thank you very much.
	I have no idea.
	People born on February 29th.
	Do they have a little jump on everybody else?
	I am so... I wonder why I am so fascinated with time travel.
	I just don't know.
	I really am.
	It's an endless fascination for me.
	And I would love to give it a try.
	Wouldn't you?
	Have you ever wondered if you had the option, for example, of leaving the present time you're in and going to any time you would like in the past or in the future, just one little catch, because there always is a catch to things, you know.
	You couldn't come back?
	What would you do?
	Would you go forward in time?
	Where would you go?
	To when would you go?
	Would you go back in time?
	I think the majority choice would probably be to go back in time, because, of course, going ahead is the unknown.
	You have no idea.
	There'd be a few adventuresome people who would do that.
	My guess is they'd probably be disappointed.
	I mean, consider what's happening to rock music right now.
	Jump ahead 100 or 200 or 500 years, and your disappointment would know no ends.
	Go back, on the other hand, and you kind of could pick the era you wanted.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hey, how are you doing?
	Doing okay, sir.
	Where are you?
	I'm listening to you on WLSA in Chicago.
	Chicago, yes sir.
	Yes.
	Hey, the reason I called you was, I feel all the time, every house I ever lived in, me and my wife, there was always something with me.
	And ever since I was a little kid, Like, I've seen a ghost.
	I know I've seen a ghost, you know, in my mom's house.
	And one day I opened up the bedroom door and it felt like something blew my hair back.
	And now me and my wife just bought a new house in Romeoville, Illinois.
	And, uh, it's like everything's weird again.
	I mean, the house is always cold.
	No matter what we do to the house, it stays cold.
	I mean, I got into a big accident in 97 in Utah with a semi truck.
	I got ran off the road and went down 150 yards off I-70 there.
	Yes, sir.
	And walked away without a scratch on me.
	And about two weeks after that, me and my wife went out for a drink in a bar in Chicago and I got stabbed five times in the back, punctured my lung.
	Oh my God.
	And walked away from that.
	I mean, I've been in head-on collision accidents in cars.
	And one of my buddies, his girlfriend, I didn't know she was, you know... Wait a minute.
	A ghost is just a word.
	Alright?
	I don't know that what you've got is a ghost.
	Maybe you've got a guardian angel.
	You've got some sort of something perhaps watching over you in some way.
	And it may not be a... A ghost is just a word.
	I mean, there are millions of possibilities of entities that we are not aware of that are around us all the time.
	And so, unless you specifically know this is the spirit of a person who once was alive and now is dead, ghost might not be the right word.
	Yeah, because when I was seven I got set on fire.
	Set on fire?
	When I was seven years old, some kids in Chicago threw a mothballed cocktail bottle at me.
	Good Lord, man!
	What kind of life have you been leading, anyway?
	Yes, I've been living a really... I mean, my life has been really weird.
	I mean... Yeah.
	I mean, I had nothing but tragedy, but I walked away from it in, like, 95.
	Unbreakable.
	Yeah, like in 95, I went through some hard times, got, you know, divorced, and I tried icing myself, which is stupid to do, you know, I was just... You tried to kill yourself.
	Yes, sir, I did.
	And you didn't succeed.
	Um, no, I didn't.
	Hey, this is unbreakable all the way.
	I took 25, I took a bottle of 25, uh, like, sleeping tablets.
	Yeah.
	And drank a fifth of booze.
	Yeah.
	And I should have been dead.
	And?
	I woke up in the woods where I parked my car at, outside my car, with my car door wide open.
	I've been listening to you because I've been on nights lately.
	That's incredible.
	I don't know what to tell you.
	Unbreakable.
	One of my buddy's girlfriends, she reads people.
	I never knew that.
	She told me when she was staring at me, she was like, you have someone that watches over you.
	I thought she was weird.
	You know, but then after a while I started thinking about all this stuff and went, wow, maybe this is true.
	Well, listen, sir, I don't know what to tell you.
	Try not to test it.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Take care.
	Try not to test that a lot.
	Sure sounds like Unbreakable, though.
	Imagine that.
	Did you see the movie Unbreakable?
	I guess that it would begin to dawn on you slowly the way it did in that movie, you know, and you'd go home and you'd ask your wife or your lover or whatever.
	Uh, can you remember the last time I was sick?
	That's how it began.
	Then he went in and talked to his boss.
	Can you remember the last time I had a sick day?
	And it took off from there.
	Unbreakable was an interesting movie.
	Uh, no matter what would happen to you, uh, you just, you know, you would not... I believe he came out of a totally fatal train wreck.
	Was the only one to walk away and did it without a scratch.
	You know, that kind of a story.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi Art.
	Hello.
	Dan in Idaho Falls.
	Hey, Dan.
	In the book of Revelation, it says that I have a crown.
	And I discovered what that crown is.
	It's a drug called a crown ester.
	And it can pull people back from death.
	Maybe even recently dead.
	Oh.
	Alright.
	What is this drug?
	It's a... Well, the chemical book says The name is either 10 crown 5 or 15 crown 5.
	The nomenclature's a little... What book are you referring to, please?
	An organic chemistry book.
	You see, there's a series of these crown esters.
	And the one that's missing is the crown of life.
	10 crown 5 or 15 crown 5?
	Yes.
	Is that right?
	And it has a molecular weight of 210.19.
	And where do you get these drugs?
	Well... Matter of interest.
	You see, I was shown how to make the molecule.
	So you know how to make Crown 5?
	Yes.
	The immortality drug?
	Yes.
	Nobody else knows how to make it.
	I guess I should ask, is it really that?
	I mean, you said it brings people back from the dead.
	Well, I'm not sure about that.
	You haven't tested that part yet?
	I haven't tested that part yet.
	But I have...
	Given the chemists, the formula on how to make it.
	And they should be having some success.
	Have you, have you taken it?
	No, I don't have any, uh, available yet.
	I just have... Are you going to take it if you get it?
	Uh, I would test it, yes.
	You would?
	Uh, would you really want to live forever, sir?
	Or would you really... Well, it doesn't make you live forever.
	You see, It's a chelating drug.
	It pulls poisons out.
	So even the recently dead and departed, how would you give them the drug?
	I mean, how would you circulate?
	They don't have blood going around in their system anymore.
	How do you give the recently departed the drug?
	I don't know.
	Maybe injection.
	Well, see, then I begin to have a problem with it because injecting something into a dead person is useless because... Well, you get that fusion.
	Well, a little diffusion maybe, but you have no working system to carry it around and do whatever it is this wonder drug does.
	Well, you see, the brain can live on after death.
	I know, I've been worried about that for some time myself, actually.
	Thank you very much.
	Have a good morning.
	Yeah, wouldn't it be awful if the brain, in fact, did live on for some time after the body dies?
	Days?
	Weeks, even months.
	Bad thought.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	First of all, I want to send my condolences to the Jennings family.
	Thank you.
	And also, Art, you travel time every night.
	I do.
	Oh, you're in a truck, right?
	Yeah, I am in a truck, but you're traveling time every night.
	You're on a radio delay.
	Every night.
	Just wanted to put that forth.
	Still there?
	Oh yeah, listening to you, yes.
	I have a suggestion for a bumper song for you.
	Oh?
	It's called The Door, and it's by Keb Moe.
	K-E-B apostrophe Moe, M-O.
	Kevin Moe, huh?
	Kevin Moe.
	All right, I will take a listen.
	It coins your shoulder to the dot.
	To the dot, huh?
	All right, thank you very much.
	Cell phone blasting through the night in a big rig, obviously.
	Yeah, I'll take a listen.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey, I'm all right.
	How you doing?
	Okay, sir.
	Where are you?
	Bob, from Los Angeles.
	Yes, sir.
	Yeah, hey, what were you guys talking about?
	Where's the topic?
	I just turned on the radio.
	Oh, so you don't even know what we're talking about?
	Yeah, open mind.
	I was just listening to you guys.
	Really?
	Chuck Driver was the last guy.
	Yeah, he was.
	But you have no idea what we're talking about?
	Yeah, you were going to talk about the fate of Mars earlier.
	I'm just playing with you.
	Well, that's what I'm going to be talking about.
	But you didn't hear the part about the massive comet headed directly for Earth on Saturday?
	Oh, really?
	You missed that?
	Oh, no!
	Where do I go?
	What happens when you call up and you haven't been listening?
	Hey, did you know Dan Aykroyd's an alien?
	Yes, I did know that, sir.
	Thank you very much.
	Yes, I was well aware.
	No, there is no big asteroid headed for Earth.
	I just thought I would joust with him a little bit.
	Calls up and didn't even know what we were talking about.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	I was wondering if you had ever heard about a piece of technology that the FBI has.
	Oh, they've got a lot of technology.
	What's the one you're talking about?
	It's like a microchip they put on the vocal folds that is able to broadcast, move into the vocal folds.
	But what happens is when somebody is thinking, they think in terms of words.
	Yes.
	And what it enables them to do Oh my God, I can already see what... In other words, you're saying being in the vocal folds, whether or not we vocalize a thought... Right, the air doesn't have to pass through it.
	The vocal folds actually do vocalize the thought.
	They contract.
	They contract in a way that is intelligible?
	Yes.
	Oh, man.
	So, they could know what we're thinking?
	Well, they'd have to implant it on the person.
	Well, yeah, sure.
	I mean, but that could happen anywhere, right?
	That could happen in...
	In the dentist chair?
	Sure.
	It allows them to interrogate someone.
	All they have to do is ask them questions and the person would just have to think of the answers but not want to say them.
	It also allows them to do deep undercover operations.
	Oh yes.
	Where they're able to communicate.
	Where did you come upon this gem of information?
	Uh, well, it's a long story, but it actually happened to me.
	Give me the short version.
	Oh, you mean they implanted you?
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	Alright, well, give me the short version.
	Uh, well, the short version is, uh, I guess I went to a doctor's office and they operated on me for a broken nose.
	Right.
	I didn't like what the surgeon had done.
	He had done a lot of extra work that had caused me a lot of problems, headaches and nose bleeding.
	Right.
	I tried to assume, but I wasn't able to.
	Right.
	I tried to publicize what he did to his colleagues.
	Yes.
	Nothing happened.
	I didn't get a response, but about two years later, The FBI had investigated me.
	He was apparently well-connected.
	For what?
	Just to get revenge.
	Just pure and simple to get revenge.
	Because I had written... Why would the FBI want to get revenge on you for something... some plastic surgeon, I presume?
	Yeah.
	Did to you.
	Why would the FBI be on his side coming after you?
	Oh, because the letter I wrote, I sent it out to all his colleagues.
	It was probably imprudent of me to do it, but... I see.
	It was very embarrassing for him.
	So, somehow, you're saying they got the FBI to come after you as a result.
	Right.
	And, uh, it kind of made my life hell for a long time.
	And, uh... Well, if they know what you're thinking, then you're a cooked goose.
	Yeah, that's true.
	That's it.
	You're cooked.
	There's nothing you can do.
	Because no matter what secret plan you might make, even late at night, lying in bed, plotting and planning your revenge or whatever, they're going to know exactly what you're thinking.
	Right, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
	But it makes me wonder who else they've done this to, and how easy it is for them to control, because if I go to someone else to try and get help about it, they've already contacted them.
	Well, some might say this sounds a little paranoid, you know.
	Well, I just, this is the one follow-up question I wanted to have.
	You do understand, some people would think this is a little paranoid of you.
	Oh yeah, I understand that.
	That they would be devoting that much time and energy to ruining your life.
	Right, I agree, but until it happened to me, it wasn't something I would believe in.
	But I do have one question that might From what I understand, this technology has been around since the 60s.
	And a lot of regular police officers know about it.
	And I was just wondering if maybe another police officer might call in and ask to substantiate this technology on your show.
	You said another police officer.
	Were you a police officer?
	No, I wasn't.
	I was a lawyer.
	A lawyer?
	Yeah.
	Not exactly the favorite of most police officers.
	No.
	But I would hope that someone might call in and substantiate any stories they've had about this technology.
	Well, you know, the only thing I could suggest to you is to try and turn it on them.
	In other words, if you can control your thoughts sufficiently... It's very hard.
	It's very hard.
	If you could really run them ragged, if you follow me... Well, lead them on to different areas and stuff?
	Well, I mean, you could imagine doing all sorts of things that would have them sending resources all over the place, trying to prevent you from doing these evil deeds, and you'd be sitting at home watching TV, smiling.
	Yeah.
	That's the only thing I can think for you, sir.
	Otherwise, you're a done goose.
	Right.
	OK?
	All right.
	All right.
	Good luck.
	Most of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, this is Olin in Culver City, California.
	Yes, sir.
	We don't have a lot of time, Olin, so... Right.
	Last night, Harry said that he could make a gallon of hydrogen with 45 kilowatt hours at one cent a kilowatt hour.
	It's 45 cents.
	I have my electric bill from Southern California Edison here, and it's 9.544 cents per kilowatt hour, which would be $4.29 a gallon for hydrogen.
	That's almost three times the price of gasoline.
	Yeah, but I know, but according to him, gasoline would have to go to that price to support the change, and the air would be the winner.
	The air over our cities and all the rest of it.
	And that's a pretty hard point to argue.
	Even if your math is correct, that's a really hard point to argue.
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	What's coming up is bound to be interesting one way or the other, I'll tell you.
	Michael C. Luckman is what's coming, the founder of the Cosmic Majority, director of the New York Center for UFO Research.
	He's frequently made global news headlines from a 60's anti-war activist.
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	To his latest foray, revealing a new totally human-like face on Mars.
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	That has sent shockwaves about the world.
	Luckman is a powerful voice for social change and the evolution of the human species at the dawn of the new millennium.
	Dubbed the real-life counterpart to Mel Gibson in the hit movie Conspiracy Theory by CNN.
	Luckman was the first investigator to expose television's infamous alien autopsy as a hoax.
	He courageously broke the story of a special project launched by billionaire Lawrence Rockefeller to open the White House of Secret Exiles, and then 15 cameras were rolling when he answered the official U.S.
	Air Force report about the crash of a flying saucer carrying alien occupants in Roswell, New Mexico, 1947.
	An outspoken lecturer and guest on many major TV shows, like Guarono, Extra Hard Copy, Current Affair, Luckman called NASA's stunning Life on Mars announcement a trial balloon to gradually prepare all of us for actual contact with an extraterrestrial civilization.
	He organized the first demonstration at the UN calling on the world body to address the UFO issue.
	And halt the build-up of Star Wars weapons that could trigger a real-life war of the worlds.
	Bill O'Reilly, host of the Fox News Channel's top-rated talk show, The O'Reilly Factor, once asked Luckman to bring a live space alien on the program so that he could score an exclusive interview with an extraterrestrial.
	Fox News Anchorman Shepard Smith reported if and when the aliens finally land.
	Luckman is going to be able to say, I told you so.
	He taught the nation's first college course on rock music at the New School for Social Research, where he was director of publications.
	Folk singer Richie Havens joined Luckman at one of three major UFO conventions sponsored by the New York Center for UFO Research.
	Havens has endorsed Luckman's idea to hold a UFO woodstock Featuring numerous rock stars that have had UFO encounters, there are many, as a matter of fact.
	Michael Jackson told Luckman, I do believe in aliens.
	When the two men met in New York City last year, King of Pop signed the back of his UFO business card and accepted a small silver alien keychain in return.
	Coming up in a moment Michael C. Luckman
	Now we take you back to the night of February 13th 2002 on art bells somewhere in time
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	And now here is Michael C. Luckman.
	Mr. Luckman, welcome to the program.
	Well, I'm very glad to be on the program.
	We have never spoken before, to the best of my knowledge, have we?
	No, we haven't.
	Well, how have you escaped my attention as high profile as you are?
	I have no idea.
	Is that correct?
	Yes.
	Now, I'd like to start out by making a clarification.
	Actually, the discovery was made by a man by the name of Greg Ormey.
	It's spelled O-R-M-A-Y.
	Okay.
	He's an amateur astronomer and he had been in contact with Arthur C. Clarke and I believe has continuing contact with him.
	He had spotted the photo That is the image of this new, extraordinary new face on Mars.
	And Tom Van Flandern and myself, together with Brian O'Leary, made the announcement of the discovery of this face recently at a news conference here in New York.
	Alright, well, now I'm looking at the face and I'm about to tell the audience how to go see the face.
	When you first see the face, you go, holy crap.
	It's that strong, but what you have done here, I want to ask you about this because I launch people towards seeing this.
	Obviously, there is not this natural color.
	I mean, when we look at this face that I'm about to tell people how to get to, you know, it's got pigment to it.
	We've put the pigmentation in, not to change any of the contouring at all, but simply so that people could see exactly, you know, just for the purpose of making it a little bit more dramatic, the black and white image.
	What I want to ask you is the following, other than the pigmentation, which you've added Is there any other alteration in this photograph whatsoever?
	No, none at all.
	It's a straight NASA photograph then?
	That's correct.
	Other than the addition of the pigmentation?
	That's correct.
	All right.
	This is astounding, folks, and the way to see it is to go to my website, Artbell.com.
	When you do that, let me see, let me follow the path myself.
	Go to Program Tonight's Guest Info.
	All right?
	You'll see the name Michael C. Luckman there, and you'll see website CosmicMajority.com.
	Just click on that link, CosmicMajority.com.
	Then click on either one.
	You've got a choice.
	HTML, I think, or the Flash version.
	Just hit HTML.
	It's probably easier.
	Go to the O in COM is Red Planet.
	You know, it says CosmicMajority.com.
	Click on the planet, the red planet in the middle.
	Go all the way to the bottom, and on the left-hand side it'll say, The New Face on Mars.
	Click on that.
	Go down, and there it will be in front of your eyes.
	And you go, Oh my God!
	This doesn't just look like a face, Michael.
	It looks like your next-door neighbor, right?
	This looks like your next-door neighbor.
	Yes, indeed, it does.
	Now, how much like your next-door neighbor does it look if you take the pigmentation away?
	Exactly the same, really.
	I mean, it's exactly the same.
	There's absolutely no difference.
	I mean, it looks like a photograph of a human just superimposed on the face, on the surface.
	I agree with you.
	It is an absolutely human face, like the guy next door, yeah.
	And it has a very kind of soulful feeling.
	There's definitely, it communicates a certain feeling that Let's say the original face from Cydonia, as important as that is, just doesn't have.
	Alright.
	Where is this face located on Mars?
	With reference to Cydonia or something?
	Exactly.
	In reference to Cydonia, it's located in an area called Sirtis Major.
	That's spelled with an S. Sirtis Major, which is about 3,000 miles away from Cydonia.
	A long way then.
	Yeah.
	Now, the important new information, I was just speaking to Tom Van Flandern, is that what led to finding the face is, as you know, these photos from NASA and JPL are released, they're usually long, thin scripts.
	Right.
	the face besides the face of the repeat previous script shows
	building like objects to the edge
	which greatly enhances the likelihood of course of the faces artificially
	constructed building like objects uh... was sort of building like a lot while i
	haven't seen uh... i haven't seen that picture of myself all but that was a
	description that the combined flandern uh... gave me a lot of yes and uh... you know i'd i'd i'd i
	couldn't get any more than that i don't think he's no given obviously not given
	by probably so of what was first movie so uh... you know that's as far as we
	can make it but he feels as i do that this greatly enhances
	uh... the the likelihood that it's artificially constructed uh... meaning
	that it was uh... actually built by somebody by somebody or
	by us Naminae.
	I mean, I'm just jumping ahead a little bit.
	There are a lot of people who think that we are Martians.
	Yes.
	That there's a strong possibility that we are Martians.
	That's why I said us.
	Well, if you live in New York, definitely.
	No, I'm serious.
	That there was a civilization on Mars.
	Mars, obviously, for whatever reason, you can talk to Tom about that, lost its atmosphere.
	And when it did, They had the technology to get here, and did.
	And we are they.
	No question about it.
	I mean, even NASA, as conservative as they can be, have made statements like that.
	That it could be.
	That it could be.
	Looking at this face, I would say that's a great likelihood.
	A very great likelihood.
	Either that or...
	All life that evolves to our level looks more or less like us.
	One of the two.
	Yes.
	I would agree.
	I would agree.
	And this thing is just so extraordinary.
	I hope that most of your listeners will be able to get to look at it.
	They will.
	It's just amazing.
	We put together a videotape called Life on Mars.
	new scientific evidence and it shows themes from the press conference but most importantly it
	shows some of these key pictures taken among
	the 65,000 photos that were taken by Mars Global Surveyor
	and this of course is one of the, probably the most single most important one. Well maybe it is.
	On the other hand, let me ask you about this.
	There is always the hundred monkey theory.
	And with that many photographs, that many strips, that much terrain, you know, the old hundred monkey thing, isn't it possible that faces appear where the human mind, I mean, after all, we all pore over these photographs looking for anything at all.
	That registers in our brain as not, possibly not natural.
	The human mind looks for that.
	You're automatically looking for life or signs of life.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, so what about that theory then?
	No question about it.
	We look to put things on our terms that we can understand.
	On the other hand, unless there's something very strange about the wind, let's say on Mars, that creates You know, not only faces repeatedly, but perfectly formed pyramids.
	For example, one of the areas that hardly ever gets mentioned is an area called Elysium, which Carl Sagan has spoken about.
	Elysium has, there are some photographs that were taken by NASA that shows huge Pyramids.
	Pyramids twice as tall as what the size of the height of the World Trade Center.
	Pyramids?
	Twice as tall as the height of the World Trade Center.
	For these pyramids to be naturally formed, wind would have to be blowing geologists' field in the same direction, from three different directions, I'm sorry, at the same speed.
	Well, I don't think it's possible.
	I don't think it's possible either.
	All right.
	These pyramids, how perfectly shaped, how perfectly pyramidal are they?
	They're pretty perfect.
	They're quite perfect.
	They look identical to one another, and as I recall, there are five or six of them in the image, and there's at least one and possibly two images that were put out.
	Okay, you have to be familiar, of course, with the work of Richard C. Hoagland, yes?
	Yes.
	With reference to the face at Cydonia, the other artifacts at Cydonia, and much more on Mars, in fact, including the worms.
	Oh, absolutely.
	You've seen the glass worms?
	Yes.
	Very interesting.
	Yeah, I would say in regard to the worms or the glass tubes, I'm of two minds in regard to them.
	I basically feel that there's something there extremely significant.
	And that it might have, in fact, have been some form of, you know, for water.
	I think of it more as like tunnels, perhaps, that were used for water at one time.
	Tom Van Flandern has been telling me that he has new pictures of more tunnels.
	He's examining, he's set aside about a hundred photographs that indicate, you know, have special treatment things that that show things that are
	unusual uh... that are being further analyzing includes a quite a
	number of those uh...
	pictures of the tunnels on the other hand all of the tunnels do have
	a uh... an organic feel to them so from that point of view you could say that
	the tunnels are are uh...
	you know are uh...
	are natural were part of the uh... of of the surface but uh...
	i don't think so well they should all look natural to me
	and i've looked at those i don't know how many times and it looks like uh... either a tunnel for as you
	put it water uh... which they had made in the service of mars
	We're about to find out, I guess.
	Or transportation, or you could imagine a million different things, but they sure don't look like natural formations.
	Yeah, well they come up and they wind all over the planet, it seems.
	And this face that I'm looking at here.
	Oh my God!
	We held a news conference in New York on this phase, and the New York Post, for example, did run almost a page on it, and they had a giant picture of it.
	And it did get picked up here and around on some television, etc.
	But considering the import of what it is, this is why we decided to put together this videotape, which is getting great currency now.
	And if I may, I'd just like to mention that people can go to www.shopterra.com, both to see the box art and the picture, as well as to order this tape, which has not only a face on Mars, but also pictures of the tunnels and all kinds of other things, including possibly what Arthur C. Clarke and others, Tom Van Flanden and myself, feel might be some form of vegetation
	Or even giant trees.
	Yeah, we're going to get to that.
	Arthur C. Clarke recently made a statement about large life on Mars.
	Yes.
	How do you interpret what he said?
	Well, I think he was referring to large... I think the context was large vegetation or large trees.
	I think he meant particularly beings.
	Alright, I have seen pictures of what to the human eye absolutely looks like very... it looks like...
	It looks like very thick vegetation, very thick trees, but almost in a desert-like atmosphere.
	Nevertheless, vegetation in large quantities.
	Is that what you also see?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, it's stunning, but yes, it's there.
	How could it be there?
	How could you account for it being there?
	You know, it just is, you know, each one of the planets in the solar system are so different from one another.
	And we're just, you know, discovering extraordinary things almost every day or every you know, a few weeks, it seems.
	And so there it is.
	I mean, you know, there are lots of discoveries like that to be made.
	And I'm glad that the pictures were, you know, released and that people were able to see them.
	And it's been like Tom Van Flandern, scientists have been, you know,
	I don't know exactly.
	over them and been finding extraordinary things.
	Do you happen to know how NASA explains these massive vegetation?
	What do they say?
	I don't know.
	I don't know exactly.
	I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think they talk about something having to do with permafrost
	in regard to these trees, or these vegetation areas that we're calling that.
	But you would have to ask them for more elaboration on it.
	But of course, as you know, NASA very rarely ever, uh, you know, confronts the thing head on.
	Well, as you know, there's been a recent big change, uh, at NASA, at the head of the helm.
	Yes.
	And there may be, uh, new blood on the way with regard to a manned mission to Mars.
	What do you think?
	Uh, I think it's very possible.
	And, uh, you know, it would have, it would do a number of, uh, things.
	I mean, I think there is obviously this legitimate, uh, interest, uh, in it.
	As a matter of fact, it was just a, a poll, uh, that was done, uh, uh, a survey conducted by NASA that found that, uh, it seems the majority of American support of manned mission to Mars.
	Yes, isn't that interesting?
	54,000 people.
	Isn't that interesting?
	Now hold, hold that thought.
	We'll come right back to it.
	That is interesting.
	The poll numbers are going up.
	And I think that's what they want.
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	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 13th, 2002.
	You know, there is no question about this.
	Even the raw image, and I'm going to give you the raw image number in a moment.
	I've got it from Fast Blaster, anonymously.
	Fast Blasting from Las Vegas says, the face is real.
	It's M-O-C image number M-0-2-0-2-0-5-1-A-dot-G-I-F.
	And I'm going to give that to you again in case you want to see it without pigmentation.
	Absolutely real.
	number M as in Mary 0202051A.gif. So this face is real and I'll tell you when you see
	the face you are going to go, oh my god, I wonder if we're the Martians.
	Ha ha ha ha. See ya.
	It really is a legitimate question for some.
	Stay right there.
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	Now Michael, the other face, the one at Cydonia, is said to look vaguely human on one side
	and perhaps feline on the other side.
	Yeah, perhaps.
	This face isn't vaguely anything except human.
	That's right.
	No question about it.
	So what does that mean to you, Michael?
	It means the obvious.
	I happen to, for example, be a student of Zechariah Sitchin, or a believer in Zechariah Sitchin.
	I mean, it's hard to be specific here as to exactly what we're looking at.
	It does have, similar to the original face on Mars, it does have a heroic type or some kind of almost Egyptian-like crown.
	Most people actually perceive this as the face of a woman.
	Some people see it as the face of a young man.
	Oh, I see it as a man.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	People see this as a woman?
	Yeah, some people do, actually.
	More people see it as a woman than as a man.
	Oh, not me.
	Yeah.
	That's a guy.
	Yeah, I see it as a guy myself.
	And what is striking and really just blows me away is the... I mean, the mouth is clear, the nose is clear with shadowing, the eyes are clear, and the eyes are distinct.
	The forehead is geologically wrinkled.
	Yeah, that's for sure.
	And then there's this crown.
	Yeah, and by the way, it's roughly the size of the original Cydonia face.
	Is it really?
	Absolutely.
	At what resolution are we?
	I'm not sure at what resolution.
	I had asked Tom Van Flandern, by the way, today about whether NASA could take more pictures of this.
	Unfortunately, with the current camera that they're using on the Mars Odyssey mission, they're set up with thermal imaging equipment, which is supposed to shoot in mid-March approximately.
	The original face.
	And that should tell us a lot about the original face and could answer the entire question as to whether it's artificial or not.
	We were talking about polls a minute ago.
	For a long time the American public didn't want really a damn thing to do with going to Mars.
	It was going to cost a whole lot of money.
	Now all of a sudden those numbers do appear to be changing in favor of a manned mission to Mars.
	Now have we been getting slow Release information designed to do exactly that and build us toward a consensus to by God, we've got to get to Mars.
	Do you believe that's been going on?
	Yeah, I think so.
	I don't think that all these pictures necessarily would be available to us.
	Obviously, when they dumped 65,000 pictures out, they knew that they'd be poured over by people like you and me and so many other scientists, astronomers, and whatnot.
	So they allowed them out.
	I think that says quite a lot right there.
	There is also very much, I would say, a political factor.
	I know, but that's a little like, you know, if you're an attorney.
	You're in the middle of a lawsuit and you request a document, and they bring in a warehouse, you know, and they bring in a warehouse of documents, and you've got to go through that warehouse to maybe find the document you're looking for, and they can drown you in information to some degree.
	Yeah, well they know it would take, you know, a certain amount of time, but that people would be persistent and that eventually would come out.
	I also think that the Bush administration probably Because for fairly obvious reasons, the fact that people are so worried now about the terrorist problem, that this is a way of taking attention away from that and putting attention off onto some great adventure far and away.
	To go to Mars, yes.
	While they're right about that, it would divert our attention a little bit from what's been going on.
	It's been pretty serious and scary.
	This at least is sort of on the... I guess?
	Let me rephrase that.
	Depending on what we would find on Mars, Michael, I'm not sure how the news would be received, and maybe that's something we ought to spend a little time getting your opinion on.
	If a mission to Mars resulted in irrefutable evidence that there had been life on Mars, and that probably that life had been us or our ancestors, Michael, the resulting furor over news like that would be beyond calculation.
	I'm not sure that there would be a furor over it.
	I mean, certainly there's a religious dimension to all this.
	Well, there's nothing in the Bible, Genesis, about Mars.
	Right.
	It's not like we were on Mars and we got tossed off to Earth or something.
	It all began here.
	That's how it began.
	That's the only way it began.
	If other news came that we really were on Mars first, that would have serious implications.
	It would upset the apple cart to some extent.
	Maybe a whole lot.
	It's impossible to know without it.
	It's just theoretical.
	It's not that theoretical, Michael.
	I talk with a lot of fundamentalists here on the air, and I can guarantee you they'd flip their wigs.
	Well, there you go.
	The Christian fundamentalists, of course.
	And by the way, it was the Christian fundamentalists and the Reverend Jerry Falwell and the The Moral Majority, which fortunately doesn't exist anymore, that prompted me to set up the CosmicMajority.com, which is an alternative.
	Oh, really?
	Absolutely.
	Now, what was it about Mr. Falwell and Moral Majority that drew you?
	I don't want to get into particulars.
	I think it kind of speaks for itself to anyone who is... So then you have clashed, I take it, with the...
	I actually have, and I just have my own opinions about it, and also the Christian right isn't particularly open to the subject of UFOs.
	No, they're not.
	No, they're definitely not.
	As a matter of fact, I heard that Joan Rivers had somehow, I guess, invited you to be on her show to discuss the whole UFO cover-up thing, the whole business about UFOs, and somehow or another that got retracted.
	I was disinvited, yes.
	You were disinvited?
	Yes.
	Let me explain essentially what happened.
	Joan, a friend called me to tell me that Joan was on her late night show talking about UFOs, or wanting to talk about UFOs, and asking callers to call in who knew anything about the subject.
	Really?
	I wouldn't normally, I don't often call in to talk on shows unless I'm invited as a guest, but sometimes I do in this case.
	She was pleading, so I called her up and I laid out on her In about 10 minutes, and you know how Joan is, talk, talk, talk, but she just kept her mouth shut for the whole 10 minutes, and I proceeded as much as a person could possibly do in 10 minutes to lay out for her the extent of the cover-up.
	She was aware of the... She was upset because she had seen a report on CNN regarding the Washington news conference that was held by the Disclosure Project, and she saw all of these military guys up there.
	You refer to Dr. Greer.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And she didn't know why.
	She was upset that it wasn't reported on in the newspapers.
	So I Explain to her what exactly had taken place there and that there was, you know, that these military officials or former military officials and military intelligence people, like there were a lot of them, they had very specific things to say.
	Were you there?
	No, I wasn't.
	So you read all this?
	Yeah, I read all this.
	Additionally, I talked to her about the Lawrence Rockefeller report, the briefing document, which at one time was fairly secret, which went to world leaders, and facts like that.
	And at the end of all this, she obviously was quite stunned.
	Her assistant came on the line and said, You don't like to have you on as a guest for a whole hour, and the next week, early in the week, and then she apparently had a change of heart over the weekend.
	The explanation given to me is, well, Joan did UFOs already, now she wants to move on to something else, but we'll get back to you, whatever.
	And the door isn't closed there, but I think frankly she's a little afraid of of it because i don't hold back i mean i'd like you are
	pictures i'd just say what i feel
	and uh... you know what the trips forward in a if you had gone on her show as a guest
	what would you have said about your folks i would have said that at this at at at this point and you
	know the paper subject anybody want to put whether you oppose exist or not
	but uh... wait you know past that uh...
	i would say that uh... the most uh... well-respected i don't know where to start as
	far as evidence I mean, there's just so much evidence, starting from the, including the Rockefeller Report,
	The Disclosure Project and the people who were involved with that, the former military men, former astronauts.
	I mean, things that you've often talked about on your own show.
	Well, let me respond as Joan might have.
	I know Joan.
	I met her in Los Angeles.
	Very nice lady.
	So why in God's name don't they land at the UN or at the White House?
	That's what she'd say, probably.
	Yeah, well, probably because we're not ready to deal with them, and that's sort of evidenced by the fact that she, you know, disinvited me.
	I think people are just afraid to deal with it.
	Some people are not.
	Listeners to your show, mostly, are not.
	I'm not even a little afraid of it.
	I deal with it all the time.
	You are convinced they are here, and you believe that we have not yet been officially contacted because we're not ready.
	That's correct.
	But you know what would be very interesting, Art?
	I don't know if you're open to this, but let me just throw it out.
	Open to anything.
	I don't know if you've ever done anything like this, but wouldn't it be interesting if we could... You have, what, something like 15 million or 20 million listeners at this point?
	Yes, a lot of people, that's right.
	What if everyone right now took the next, let's say, minute to send out a message, psychically if you will, To any extraterrestrials that might be out there in the United States, or wherever they may be located, you listeners.
	Michael, I won't do it.
	Oh, why not?
	Because I... You really want to know?
	I'll tell you.
	I'll consider it, but I don't think I'll do it.
	Because I've been doing these mind experiments, Michael.
	I don't know how much of a listener you've been in the past.
	But I've done a series of very, very, very serious mind experiments.
	Some which have been measured on graphs by random number generators.
	I mean, serious stuff here.
	And I believe this is real.
	And I'm going to be very frank with you in the audience, Michael.
	If we did something like that, I'd say there's a fair chance we might get some actual response.
	I can tell you that I did this on a local radio show here in New York some years ago.
	And sure enough, I'll be damned, I got a call From some people who were very serious, had seen a UFO, a red object, that very evening.
	But Michael, how do you know what you're inviting in?
	I mean, suppose we were successful.
	There are many in the UFO community, well not many, but at least a significant vocal minority, who say, wait a minute.
	Don't be idiots.
	Yes, maybe they're out there.
	I agree they're out there, but who's to say they're friend or foe?
	Well, I don't know.
	What is your position on that?
	My position doesn't matter.
	I guess my position would be I don't know if they're friend or foe.
	Okay.
	Do you?
	No, and I'm sure that they're not all friendly.
	Well, you live in New York, you said, right?
	Actually in the city?
	Yes.
	You do, all right.
	Uh, before you open your door, you usually look through a little hole, don't you?
	Absolutely.
	But then, I mean, then again, Art, you know, we have the, uh, the, uh, you know, the SETI project, I mean, was sent, it was certainly, I mean, was sent out signals, uh, all over the place.
	You know what?
	You know what?
	Um, actually they sent one signal.
	SETI, uh, sent one signal from Arecibo, Michael, and then they've never sent one since.
	And one of the reasons they've never sent one, Is the same reason I just cited to you that many scientists have said it might not be a really bright idea to put a beacon out there and say, here we are, you know?
	Well, this is what I feel.
	I feel like you, that we're in very rough shape environmentally, and with the terrorist situation, which I don't think is going to go away at all.
	I mean, the government tells us that this will not end in our lifetime, that this war will not end in our lifetime.
	And I think, in fact, as unpleasant as it is, that we may, in fact, be living in what in the New Testament is referred to as the end times.
	I hate to say that, but I think that that might be the case.
	No, you can say that.
	I tend to agree on the terrorism thing.
	Did you hear what Ted Turner said about that?
	No.
	No?
	Ted Turner said, quote, the reason that the World Trade Center got hit Is because there are a lot of people living in abject poverty out there who don't have hope for a better life, end quote.
	Well, boy, my estimation of Ted Turner has risen enormously.
	You agree with that?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, it's a tough sleep.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, in a sense, I can understand what he said, but I don't agree in the specific instance that that was the motivation behind this for one second.
	I think this is a clash of religious Beliefs, radical religious beliefs.
	It's just a simple clash and they want us dead.
	And as simple as that.
	There's nothing else.
	They just flat out want us dead.
	And I don't know that it's because we are, by comparison, rich.
	I think it's because we are, comparison to them, barbarians, heathens, blasphemers.
	Everything that they hate, and our materialism is only part of that.
	It's what we think and believe.
	Right.
	It's a big part of that, too.
	Well, I think that, you know, I think that's true.
	I really think that our time is running out, and that we ought to use the time to try to reach out in some way, in a positive manner.
	I think if we put out a positive spiritual message, Then we're most likely to attract positive beings.
	There are many who believe that that which you call a UFO and those that you call alien beings that inhabit them or pilot them are actually evil entities.
	Well, there's your right-wing Christian fundamentalist, Chuck Missler and people like that.
	If that's the case, they haven't done anything evil, let's say.
	It depends on your view of current evil in the world.
	Do you absolutely rule that out?
	It could not possibly be evil entities of some sort.
	No, I don't rule that out.
	I would say this.
	I say that there are all kinds of positive and negative forces out there.
	And you do have to be concerned about that, but on the other hand, what I'm saying is that considering the situation that we all find ourselves in now, which is totally unique, I think that we have little choice but to try to reach out and to have some kind of contact.
	with uh... what obviously are highly advanced of beings and hopefully of the
	positive of variety
	hopefully uh... there are many in the ufo community uh...
	michael that believe there are good guys and bad guys
	among the behind us fifty seven aliens that are out there Well, I don't know about the number of, you know, I don't know about that, but I do think that the majority of the beings out there are positive, but I also think there could be some absolutely vicious ones out there, you know, but on the other hand, I think that, you know, looking at the overall situation that we find ourselves in, that it would
	Makes sense for us to, you know, attempt a contact as opposed to just not doing anything.
	Maybe, maybe, Michael, but I mean, how do we look through the keyhole before we open the door?
	Carefully.
	Well, yeah, carefully is right.
	Hold on, we're at the top of the hour.
	I'm Art Bell.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 13th, 2002.
	For so long, for so long.
	so the
	Listening to the strangest stories, wondering where it all went wrong.
	For so long, for so long.
	the the
	But hold on, hold on, hold on, what do I do?
	Lord.
	Hold me.
	the direction
	you're listening to work for all so we're in time tonight featuring a replay of coast to coast a m from february
	thirteenth two thousand two anybody who interprets my remarks of fast
	blasters did to me that i agree with that turns out your mind
	i think that uh... his statement is purity lunacy That's the life!
	The reason the World Trade Center got hit is because there are a lot of people living out there in abject poverty who don't have any hope for a better life.
	I didn't know why they did it.
	They did it because of a clash of belief systems and in their belief system we're all a bunch of barbarians who have to die so that their belief system can spread.
	And so I don't agree with this at all.
	You've got that impression you're wrong.
	Anyway, we've got with us Michael C. Luckman.
	We're talking about a new face on Mars.
	And yes, this is one you've got to see.
	Other Fast Blasters are saying, lead me to it.
	I missed what you said.
	All right.
	Last time I'm going to do this because you really do have to see this.
	So go to my website, artbell.com.
	Click on program or hold your cursor over program.
	Just simply click on tonight's guest info.
	All right.
	Wednesday night, Thursday morning, Michael C. Luckman's name will appear.
	Click on his website, TheCosmicMajority.com.
	You get that cosmic majority like moral majority?
	And then click on either one of the choices, and then click on the red planet.
	When you do, go all the way to the bottom.
	Read what's there if you wish.
	Go all the way to the bottom, and on the left, at the very bottom, it'll say, The New Face on Mars.
	Click on that, and go down, and there will be the face now.
	There's absolutely no doubt about it.
	Though the pigmentation has been added for effect.
	Otherwise, the photo is unretouched.
	And this is a human face.
	To me, it's a man's human face.
	Human man's face.
	Very well, very, very well defined.
	Now, could this be the product of the 100 Monkey Syndrome?
	You know, looking at zillions of strips dumped on us from NASA?
	Yeah, maybe.
	Could it be?
	It is indeed a human face.
	Could be.
	And then one more thing.
	A lot of people who are seeing this are seeing a second face.
	Lots and lots of Fast Blasters saying there is a second face there.
	And I'm not exactly sure that I've seen it yet.
	I'm looking.
	It's harder to see, because you've got to ignore the pigmentation.
	What I should do is get this GIF and take the pigmentation out, and then look and see if the second face hits me hard, as it has some.
	And in quite a few fast blasts, I think there is a second face there.
	Talk about that in a moment.
	At any rate, whatever you do, you do really have to get over and see this.
	it may have very, very, very significant meaning.
	Now, we take you back to the night of February 13, 2002, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	Once again, here is Michael C. Luckman.
	Michael, I'm curious, why do they compare you, or does anybody compare you, or do you compare yourself to the character in Conspiracy Theory?
	Well, it wasn't me.
	It was CNN showbiz today when they did a report at the time that the movie came out.
	Why do you think they compared you?
	Well, I'm not sure, actually.
	Actually, I never saw the movie, so I can't tell you.
	Oh, really?
	No, I never saw the movie.
	Maybe you can tell me.
	I can.
	Sure I can.
	I did see it.
	It was a character.
	It was Mel Gibson, and he was You portrayed to be a deeply paranoid character who thought the government and the men in black were chasing him and affecting his life.
	He was of course right.
	the government and the men in black and so forth were chasing him and affecting his life.
	And he was of course right, they were. So it was justified paranoia. That's how the
	But what I mean is, so does that describe the way you feel?
	Not really.
	I don't, for example, you know, I mean, the government is the government, but I don't really feel like men in black are chasing me or anything, even coming close to that.
	Okay.
	On the other hand, I know that, you know, you do certain things or you stand for certain things.
	You do have to sometimes bear the consequences.
	I'm sure a lot different than that character.
	What I'm trying to accomplish with the CosmicMajority.com is to create a vehicle for people that would
	represent the views of what I consider to be the majority of individuals living on the
	planet, or pro-UFO, belief in UFO, belief in life on Mars and elsewhere throughout our
	solar system and beyond, as well as concern for the sanctity of the environment.
	Thank you.
	I take it that you saw the Air Force News Conference which attempted to debunk the Roswell Crash in 1947?
	did you see i take it that you saw the air force news conference which
	attempted to debunk the roswell cramp down forty seven years
	and you had some comments on that well yeah actually the russian thing at this point the
	radius is is is you know so
	i mean uh...
	the what was the fiftieth anniversary is about four years ago so this is four
	so this is three years old now that's right uh... no i i'd you know kate for
	years old now that's right uh... no i i you know people kind of a history of
	kind of a history of what was uh...
	what was uh...
	what's going on with my concern about uh... the uh... the ross will work
	was going on with my concern about the the uh... the ross will work
	incident is that uh...
	incident is that uh...
	they've been just so many what was the fiftieth anniversary is about four years ago
	they've been just so many as you know so many
	witnesses i mentioned the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and and and
	overlapping stories and and i think by last count i don't know what four five
	before five different crash sites and and widely varying descriptions of i don't know that will
	ever get to where the truth frankly on uh... what happened but it at the
	four years ago at that news conference i spoke about the uh...
	the preposterous uh...
	uh... camp by the uh... air force to talk about crash test dummies of being dropped
	as an explanation for what might have been perceived as a bodies
	It was a preposterous news conference, no question about it.
	I saw it live and I laughed my way through it.
	It was awful.
	Awful.
	Now, that obviously then indicates that you certainly believe that our government is aware That there are things traversing our atmosphere and just outside it that are not human, in craft that are not human construction?
	Is that fair?
	Well, absolutely.
	No doubt about it.
	Now, you had David Serrata and Dan Aykroyd on recently, I understand.
	That's correct, yeah.
	In the showing, or talking about, I should say, the videotape that Serrata put together called, I believe it's called, Evidence.
	That's put together by the, that's distributed by the same people incidentally, ShopTerror.com, and that shows extraordinary things.
	I mean, it shows, as far as I'm concerned, undeniable proof of extraterrestrials, and I think that Well, I certainly agree with that.
	in proportions of it you know proves out i mean i'm no physicist and uh... i plan
	to uh... get a uh... prominent physicist figure in new york to uh...
	to look at it and to see what his appraisal is but if it holds off and it's
	unbelievable well i certainly agree with that
	uh... i don't know if it's irrefutable proof and i'm not even sure what
	irrefutable proof would be uh...
	uh... short of you know somebody landing and submitting to examination of craft
	and body and all the rest of that That's irrefutable.
	But, you know, photographs, videotape, I don't know.
	Irrefutable?
	Not necessarily, in my opinion.
	Yeah.
	Well, as you know, I mean, there was an amazing incident that occurred when at the end of that tether, where instrumentation was changed, and NASA has absolutely no explanation for that at all.
	Ah, the tether.
	Yes, the tether experiment, where they laid out this tether, and they got so much more power than they expected that it literally flash-burned The tether right off the spacecraft.
	Right.
	Now, what do you conclude from that?
	Well, it was more than that, actually, because there was change in the instrumentation.
	Yes.
	NASA put out something like a 375-page report on it, and they had absolutely no explanation for how the instrumentation and several different factors on the instruments had changed.
	And that wasn't done by us.
	So, how did that occur?
	And it happened in the same, at the same point at which there was a swarm of these, what, serrated, is two mile across circular objects.
	That's right, yes.
	So you think that, I mean what to speculate for me, do you think that we were in the process of, in your opinion, discovering something that they did not wish for us to discover?
	I don't know.
	who didn't wish the the ellen's earth yes uh... in other words what the what what would be the
	motivation for their action in this case
	i don't know of course they've always shown a uh... you know they've always
	shown an interest in our nuclear weapons storage areas your foes have been uh... you know on record as being and
	nuclear storage around nuclear storage of weapons areas
	Even launch areas.
	Yeah, and there have been other cases where there have been changes of instrumentation.
	So this, you know, follows that pattern.
	Alright.
	Do you really think that one way or the other, what happened there in New York where you are, impacted ufology in any way and the whole extraterrestrial issue in any way at all?
	Yeah, well, sure.
	I mean, it impacted, let's face it, it impacted everything to such an extraordinary degree.
	However, I do feel that given the unique circumstances that we're living under now, the tremendous instability in the world
	uh... that this is a quiet and ongoing wars
	uh... this is a prime time when you oppose if ever
	i'm gonna make a showing it's it's it's around this period generally speaking
	uh... because as you know it's been seen uh... during the vietnam war in during
	the world war two the famous uh...
	of full fighters etc yes and uh... even i understand the gulf war so i would not
	be surprised if there was a you know a flap of of sizable
	portions because we're kind of overdo one you expect one that i do
	And what do you think that means?
	Do you think it means that they observe big-time strife and problems here on the planet?
	Yeah, I do.
	But the fact, of course, the ultimate indication that they, at least in the past, haven't really injected themselves into our reality is the Holocaust.
	Uh, didn't, uh, intercede in some fashion, so that always people say, well, you know, what good are they?
	Uh, to which you would say what?
	I don't know what the answer is.
	I mean, you could say in regard to, uh, God, for those who believe in God, I'm one of them, that, uh, you know, how do you explain churches burning down, millions of other tragedies happening throughout history?
	I don't know what the answer is.
	Well, I certainly don't know what the answer is with regard to, uh, God's thing, maybe it's free will, I don't know. But with regard
	to aliens, one answer might be that they don't have our best interest necessarily at
	heart. Maybe they're waiting for us to blow ourselves the hell off the face of the Earth,
	which we've come pretty close to a few times already.
	Yeah, well, of course there are other, there are certainly more than, I don't believe that
	there are 50 or 30 different alien groups surveilling the Earth right now, but I do
	think that there's more than one kind, and they're not necessarily, I'm not saying all
	of them are good, but I am saying that if they were in the main negative types, I think
	we would have seen many, many more, much more evidence of negative activity.
	and i don't see that even the mafia has some rules of the follows you know
	uh... some sort of code of honor that it follows and uh... so maybe aliens are not
	uh... able to interfere maybe there is some larger uh... larger rule about uh... not not interfering in a
	crime directed thing and
	uh... if there is that maybe there's a few that are just waiting for prime land
	to become available Yeah, well, sure, it could be that, but then on the other hand, you know, you look at the, if you follow the Sitchin Doctrine, then you, at least those extraterrestrials did have extreme contact with the human race, in fact, that possibly, very likely, created us.
	You two then believe that we were originally created to mine gold?
	Yeah, well, you know, if somebody hears about the Sitchin beliefs, just in those terms as their first introduction to it, it sounds ludicrous.
	I know, ludicrous.
	I do, I do.
	I do think that we work... I have interviewed Zachariah many times, and so I know what he believes, and I know what you're saying regarding just that statement, but I mean, that is kind of the That is the basis of what he argues, after all.
	Yeah, well, that is a part of it.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Now, how does Mars fit into this?
	And if you believe in what Zachariah says, how does Mars, and what we're finding on Mars, fit into this?
	Well, Mars, apparently, in regard to the 10th planet, was a way station on the way to the Earth.
	But, you know, when you look at this particular image of the new face, it doesn't particularly look to me like an Anunnaki or a Nephilim or whatever you want to call it.
	It looks like us.
	Yeah, it looks like us.
	Even though they looked a lot like us, in fact, they were us in a sense, but they did have very large, pronounced, large noses.
	And this looks just kind of normal.
	Kind of normal, yes.
	Now, we are presently, it seems, that our government, Michael, is proceeding again toward a space-based defense system of some sort.
	We're going to put a lot of money into that.
	Star Wars, I don't know, they're gonna not probably call it Star Wars, they're gonna call it Home Defense or something.
	Sounds better.
	But we're obviously going to be putting some sorts of weapons in space.
	Yeah.
	Now, you know, I've had Stephen Greer on the show a lot of times.
	You referenced him earlier.
	He has deep reservations about doing that.
	What about you?
	I absolutely do.
	Also, you know, I definitely feel it's there for various reasons why the government would put these weapons in space.
	But I think that definitely UFOs is one of the main reasons.
	And I think it's no way to roll out the welcome mat, so to speak.
	On the other hand... Well, there is another hand, isn't there?
	In other words, if they're not the warm, fuzzy little ones that we all hope they would be... Well, if they're not, certainly our little toy guns or lasers or whatever we have, and some of it's pretty sophisticated, but still is going to not be very effective against a superior.
	That's not to say that we wouldn't try to put up some defense.
	Well, you see, I was about to ask.
	If we were on the verge of being taken over and enslaved, an entire planet enslaved, indentured to do some lousy work for some aliens, and that was going to be the context of their arrival here, what then, Michael, would you fight?
	Yeah, it's an interesting point.
	It's impossible to know until that time would arrive.
	Or would you just conclude their technology is obviously so superior that there's no point in fighting?
	Well, from a military point of view, I would conclude that, absolutely.
	You would, alright.
	Hold it right there.
	We'd all be shining the shoes of little creatures that have six toes or something.
	Doing their bidding.
	We'd have to just give up, because our toys aren't big enough.
	You're listening to Arc Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 13, 2002.
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	And you know it don't come easy You don't have to shout or bleat the vowels
	You can even play them easy Forget about the past and all your sorrows
	There's a future, won't last It will soon be over tomorrow.
	I don't ask for much, I only want trust.
	And you know it don't come easy At this club of mine
	Where are those happy days? They seem so hard to find I tried to wait for you, but you have lost your mind.
	Whatever happened to our love?
	I wish I understood.
	Whatever happened to our love?
	I wish I understood It used to be so nice, it used to be so good
	So when you're near me darling SOS The love you gave me, nothing else can save me SOS When you're gone, how can I even try to go on?
	You gave me nothing that can save me, it's so late When you're gone, how can I even try to go on?
	When you're gone, though I try, how can I carry on?
	You've been so far away while you were standing near You make me feel alive with something that I fear.
	Top of the morning, everybody.
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	Tonight's program originally aired February 13, 2002.
	Top of the morning, everybody.
	This is going to be interesting.
	What's coming up is going to be very, very interesting indeed.
	So keep your radio parked, take a deep breath, and get ready.
	Premier Radio Networks Now, we take you back to the night of February 13th, 2002,
	on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	Once again, here is Michael C. Luckman.
	And Michael, it looks like the, uh, uh, your website, which is, uh, let me see, what is your website name again?
	CosmicMajority.com.
	CosmicMajority has met up with the Art Bell Majority, and I'm told it's slowing to a crawl and actually sort of stopped right now.
	Oh, good.
	Well, I've got to tell you that we got, just from the announcement on your website, we got ten thousand are actually about ten thousand eight hundred
	uh... it's images as we had you listed as a guest yeah so a lot of people don't
	see it anyway and and and you know it'll loosen up later in the morning right
	alright uh... fortunately i've got mine in my cash so i can immediately refer
	back to it easily and i've got for overnight what i want to say is this
	First of all, when you all do get to see this photo, it is without question a human face.
	It's a human face.
	If I can, let me repeat again the other website that does have the photo that they could go to right now, which is www.shopterror.com.
	The people who put out the videotape about this press conference announcing life on Mars.
	Right.
	Okay, good.
	In the meantime, many, many people, Michael, have been seeing not one face here, but two.
	Yeah.
	And I'm getting a lot of messages like that, and one of them is somebody, a voice that you will recognize.
	It's Richard C. Hoagland.
	Richard, you're on the air with Michael.
	Evening, guys.
	Hi.
	How you doing?
	Michael, it's been a while.
	Yeah, it's been a while.
	Yeah, it has been, yeah.
	Okay, we can all hear each other.
	Great.
	Live radio.
	Yeah.
	Alright, tell Michael and the country what happened, the sequence that winds me up talking to you guys right now.
	Well, sure.
	You looked at the photograph for the first time tonight, correct?
	Well, actually second or third.
	I'd seen it when Tom Van Flandern did his press conference.
	I see.
	And I must tell you, I was not impressed.
	Okay.
	You know, I am so used to Sagan's dismissal of sand dunes in the face of Jesus Christ on a tortilla chip, which is how he had dismissed Sidonia for years, that our criteria for, you know, when there's something really down there is pretty stringent.
	And the first thing I look for is geometry.
	All right.
	And we have that in abundance at Sidonia.
	And when I looked at this site in Sirius Major, what we didn't have was any geometry.
	Now, there is, as Michael said, there's some other stuff.
	Not that far away that's kind of intriguing, but it isn't close enough to really be related.
	It's probably a hundred miles away or more.
	So I was very, very, um, skeptical.
	God, I can't even believe I'm using that term in terms of this space until I heard that Michael was going to be on tonight.
	So I went through the long procedure, got to his website, pulled it up on the screen, fortunately before everybody else did.
	And I'm sitting here about three feet back and I'm listening to you guys talk.
	And I suddenly said, oh my God, because I saw a second face.
	You didn't know there was a second face up to this point?
	No.
	Oh, no, this was literally, it's an hour old.
	Yeah, but you had seen the picture before.
	I had seen the picture before of the so-called, um, um, what, what, what do they call this?
	Little King?
	Something that doesn't... Yeah, originally he was calling it something like that, yeah.
	So I called Art, and I kind of didn't tell him what I saw.
	I wanted him to find it for himself, and he didn't tell me.
	I had to hear this on the air, that he's getting a lot of fast blasts of other people around the country, that's the beauty of this audience, who are seeing it.
	So I now have my independent confirmation, I'm not crazy, and I'm seeing what I'm seeing, and to me... Describe what you're seeing, Richard.
	What I'm seeing on the right-hand side, tilted, At an angle, about a 45 degree angle, is a smaller face, and the right eye, as you're looking at the screen, of the human face, is the left eye of the other face.
	Oh my god, I do see it.
	You see it, and it's tilted.
	And it looks, drum roll please, simian.
	It sure as hell does.
	It looks like a primitive... You know, I finally just got... Now, just now, Richard, I just... Yeah, it's... Yep.
	Now, the reason this is so crucial, everybody, is because... It's true.
	...the message of Cydonia is the fusion of two species... Right.
	...to produce the human being that we are.
	Yes.
	We are Martians.
	So, you now go 3,000 miles away... I'll be damned.
	...to... Yes.
	It's that interesting.
	It is.
	It is.
	You go 3,000 miles away to another, quote, work of art on Mars, And instead of seeing just one image, even though it's a
	frontal view, you could still dismiss it as tricks of light and shadow, looking at enough area, all that.
	But the idea of getting two faces that are right next to each other, that are composite artistic creation, where we
	have examples here on earth in the Mesoamerican tradition.
	Yes.
	We have 100,000 year old examples in Paleolithic art.
	Boy, I do see it, Richard.
	God.
	It's definitely there.
	In fact, I was getting some emails this afternoon about it already.
	Michael, did you know about this before?
	Yes, I did, yeah.
	How long have you seen it?
	How long have I known about it?
	Have you known about it?
	Well, I've known about it in recent times.
	I mean, not from the very beginning, but I've known about it recently.
	Well, how long?
	Oh, I don't know.
	What's the difference?
	I mean, I've been aware of it, and, you know, not everyone... Well, did you see it, or did someone bring it to your attention?
	Yeah, no, no, I saw it myself.
	I saw it myself, and I think it's highly significant.
	Why don't you make, in your blurb on your website, why don't you make, you know, kind of mention of it then?
	Because this is the significance.
	One face you can dismiss, but a composite species consistent with the other face, Cydonia, Relating to somebody tinkering with the human species?
	Doing what Sitchin and others have talked about?
	Yeah, Tom and I have discussed the second phase.
	Tom and I have discussed the second phase.
	And he believes, as apparently you do, that it definitely adds, from a technical standpoint, it definitely adds to the fact that it has to be artificial.
	The possibility of this occurring by chance in two separate locations is infinitesimal.
	Then you begin to really pile the numbers up pretty high.
	I've got to agree with that.
	Exactly.
	Richard, I don't know what to say.
	Thank you.
	You're quite welcome.
	Have a good night, Richard.
	You too.
	Talk to you soon.
	Thanks, Richard.
	That is startling.
	Now, he's absolutely right about that.
	The striking thing about Cydonia Those have to be pretty high, Michael.
	They're extremely high.
	the division of the face and you know the fact that one looks homosapien and one looks
	simian and then you come over here and as striking as incredible as your face is to
	have this simian example next door.
	Now the odds of that one, those have to be pretty high Michael.
	They're extremely high.
	They're absolutely extremely high.
	This face is you know it all ties together.
	I mean, no one's saying that this face, you know, versus the other face, it all ties together.
	Yes, it does.
	Well, that's the whole point.
	It does tie together.
	And that begins to make a pretty strong case.
	Yeah, and NASA, by the way, similarly has dismissed this as a trick of light and shadow and pile of rocks.
	That sentiment has been expressed already about this phase, so we were kind of prepared for that.
	Well, you are aware of the new Mars mission that's now in orbit around the planet, about ready to get to work, right?
	Yeah, Mars Odyssey.
	Oh, you're aware that NASA has suddenly made Cydonia an extremely high priority?
	Yes, I am.
	Why do you think they've done that, after all they've said, Michael?
	Well, you can postulate a number of different points of view on it.
	One might be depending on what they feel.
	Uh, this thermal imaging camera equipment will be able to tell, of course, the layering and should be able to answer once and for all whether this is an artificial, whether the Cydonia face is artificial or not.
	Yeah, but why would they, based on what they've said, why would they care?
	I mean, they have been tricks of light and shadow since the very beginning, even Even stridently, adamantly, poo-pooing this whole thing, and now all of a sudden it's an area of high interest.
	How does that happen?
	Well, the public has demanded, you know, answers on the Cydonia face has become such a causal web that, you know, we could argue it both ways.
	Either they want to put the thing to rest, or that perhaps they want to let us in on what they perhaps may already know or highly suspect.
	That this is the real McCoy.
	And that this is proof positive of an ancient civilization on Mars.
	And you believe... And in turn, accelerating the interest in a manned mission, which is something, of course, that Bush's father had been in favor of all along when he was president.
	Incidentally, these pictures could be released as early as mid-March.
	Well, from the drone spacecraft up there.
	Yeah.
	But I do have to admit it's a very interesting thing that they're making it a priority at this particular time.
	Yes, it is.
	Do you think there will be, if you were to guess, Michael, do you think when we get the photographs there is going to be this incredible Startling admission that maybe there is something to it at all, and by God we might be able to justify a Mars mission.
	Yes, that's my feeling on it.
	That's my feeling on it.
	Now Tom Van Flandern sort of feels the opposite it seems, but this is my gut feeling on it.
	In other words, Tom feels that the photographs will once and for all put this away as hogwash?
	Well, I don't know.
	I don't want to put words in his mouth, but he actually didn't say that.
	he would he would he said was that the that the that the uh...
	that it if the if if it well he said that if the government uh...
	that if it showed that it was uh...
	artificial that they don't like to you know you know hold back on the release of them for some time
	but that if it showed up it was uh...
	natural that they would be prone to put out right away the pentagon point of
	view as i don't think i was sick of second guess a jury they
	stay out for a long time it means one thing that you have
	if we come back we could mean something else no but my white
	strong feeling is that this is going to be uh...
	that this is going to be a that this is going to that that
	that we're going on a short time uh... what the faces of uh...
	means and that's real uh... that that the original side only a face is real at uh...
	uh... and and consequently uh... by extension of that uh...
	the some of these other uh... unique features of such as these
	giant pyramids
	uh... not only uh... well the the five-sided pyramid in cydonia the uh...
	you've been trying to permits a twice as close with the world trade center was
	in in uh...
	in uh... the lease in section and of course now in service major this uh...
	this face or this double for this double-face yes
	uh...
	the implications of this are so staggering
	uh... for everything that we've believed about ourselves yeah
	i would probably tend to agree with tom that if they uh...
	if they do come up with evidence
	they are not just going to dump it on a suddenly and say good lord people here it is look
	uh... there were there was large life on mars and uh...
	uh... it uh... it was pre-humanity or it has something to do with the humanities
	beginning and that would throw so much up into the air.
	That moral majority that even though isn't still by name organized, but they're still out there, Michael.
	They're still out there, yeah.
	They're going to flip and a lot of things are going to change.
	You think we have flux now.
	Imagine what kind of flux we'd have if they came back with those answers.
	I think Tom might be right.
	It's anyone's guess at this point.
	Why do you feel compelled I think we're living in very unique times.
	My background is in journalism.
	When I see a good story, I just can't ignore it.
	I've always been like that.
	I was 18 years old when I was in college.
	edited a uh... youngest uh...
	colleges paper editor in the country and i do have a knack for uncovering some
	anything such as the i was the first person to go on record as as as uh...
	expressing uh... opposition to the uh...
	to the uh... alien autopsy as being you know
	flat out that it was fake and uh... i was criticized by uh... some people in the uh...
	ufo movement is saying that uh... you know it's jumping is jumping
	conclusions i said my god we have to do is look at the thing i mean
	what's what's what's a debate
	uh... and there is a lot a lot more than just the look of it but uh...
	uh... so i i you know i i'm willing to take chances and go out on a limb if
	necessary uh... but i think we're living in a very unique
	uh... time and i think that uh...
	uh... that uh... in this relatively perhaps in relatively short time that we
	have in life And be prepared to accept the answers for what they are?
	curtail life, we should try to at the very least seek answers to some of these incredible
	questions that have to do with who we are and where we come from.
	And be prepared to accept the answers for what they are?
	Yes.
	How do you think we will get to Mars?
	Any thoughts on what kind of technology we would use?
	How much money it's going to take?
	You know, it's going to take an incredible amount of money.
	On the technology end of it, I'm not the one to talk to.
	That's Robert Zubrin or somebody like that.
	Well, if it's an incredible amount of money, it's going to take an incredible amount of justification.
	Right, that's correct.
	And you think this may be a Well I think it may be it.
	I think it may be it.
	I think that all signs seem to be pointing in this direction.
	Alright, why did you decide to put pigmentation in this picture that you display?
	I mean obviously it makes it look Just to make it pop a little bit more, I mean, it doesn't in any way change the configuration.
	As a matter of fact, on the CosmicMajority.com website, when you can get it, we had it even, my webmaster put in a pulsing effect, so it really came alive.
	But no, it was just for purpose of just adding a little I don't know if you've had a chance to look at the original, just the black and white version.
	It's the same, minus the coloring, as I understand.
	Alright, what I would like to do is expose you to some of my audience, and I have no idea what's out there waiting for you.
	Could be some of that moral majority.
	Oh my god, alright, we'll deal with it.
	Okay, let's ask one more time before the top of the hour about your video.
	What's in your video?
	Okay, essentially the video shows the photograph of the new face on Mars, the tunnels, what appear to be giant trees and vegetation, the glass
	tubes, and what Tom Van Flandern refers to as arranged triangles that are nearly identical
	to one another. So it's packed with information. It's the best, most compelling photograph from
	65,000 that came out by Mars Global Surveyor.
	How new is the video?
	Well the video has just come out very recently by Terror Entertainment. We have a video that
	We had an earlier version of it, but this is the more serious version, if you will, the slicker version.
	How much is it?
	How much is it? I believe it's $19.95 and they can also call 1-800-723-9479 and it's
	called Life on Mars, new scientific evidence.
	Brian O'Leary, who was trained to go as an astronaut to Mars on an earlier manned mission that never transpired, is on it.
	He says some very interesting things about the meaning of the face and some of the other objects.
	And, of course, Tom Van Flandern, who worked with the U.S.
	National Observatory, is on there.
	Hold on, stay right there.
	We'll take a break and then call.
	I'm Art Bell from the high desert.
	This, of course, is Coast to Coast AM, raging through the nighttime.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 13th, 2002.
	My Lord, my Lord, my Lord.
	I really want to see you.
	Really want to be with you.
	Really want to see you, Lord.
	It's been so long, my Lord.
	So.
	Sweet dreams are made of this Who am I to disagree?
	I travel the world and the seven seas Everybody's looking for something Some of them want to use you Some of them want to get used by you.
	Some of them want to abuse you.
	Some of them want to be abused.
	Oooh, yeah, ooh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
	Sweet dreams are made of this. Who am I?
	to disagree. We travel the world and the seven seas.
	Everybody's looking for something.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks. Tonight,
	an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 13, 2002.
	This is a very interesting night. Somebody just sent me something that I'm really kind
	of wild about. And I'll tell you all about it.
	In fact, I'll show it to you in a few moments.
	My guest is Michael C. Luckman.
	We're going to films with Michael here in a moment, so stay right where you are.
	You're listening to ARC Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an Encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 13, 2002.
	Let me very quickly check something on my website just before we jump into the phones here and see if it's already
	up.
	And if it is already up, I'm going to direct you to go see something that's pretty neat, I think.
	Nope, not up yet.
	I'm going to read you the email anyway because it's going to be up within about the next 10 minutes, okay?
	Just before we get back to Michael.
	Richard and Linda in Seattle sent this to me about an hour ago.
	Hello Art.
	I don't know if you read your email.
	Obviously I do.
	But I thought I would send you this redesigned picture of yours.
	Sort of back to you.
	I looked at your website and loved the site with your visit to the site where Somewhere in Time the movie was made.
	Yes, I did go there with my soulmate, my wife.
	My wife and I also love the movie.
	Time traveling is something I find fascinating.
	I'd love to go back To Michelangelo and Leonardo's time and just stay there and learn painting from them.
	I was surprised your wife is from another country.
	That's cool.
	When you mentioned that you were in the Air Force and were stationed in Okinawa, that was even more cool as I'm a product of a mixed marriage.
	My father was in the Air Force stationed in Japan in the 50s and married my cute little Japanese mom.
	Thus I was born in southern Japan.
	Enough about me, Ms.
	Bell.
	Thank you for the program.
	My wife I found you on the radio a few years back and we've listened to you on a regular basis since.
	Your topics are refreshing years back.
	Let me plow through all the nice things they're saying.
	Some of your topics stir my artistic imagination and gives me great subject matter to paint, like your wife.
	When I saw one particular sight of Ramona standing in that beautiful wine-colored dress in a nice flowing pose, you know, I thought I'd make something mysterious from it and send it to you.
	Hope I didn't make you mad by redoing the picture.
	If you look at the picture, you created a nicely composed shot.
	Thank you, I did, yes.
	With the hotel in the background.
	It would make for a great full-size painting in oils.
	Very 19th century.
	Well, sir, thank you again for your show.
	You're awesome.
	Well, I'm going to eliminate the kudos here.
	What she sent was The most beautiful picture that she did, and here it is.
	It's now on my website at Artbell.com.
	It's entitled, Ramona Somewhere in Time Painting.
	And it's awesome.
	I mean, this really is awesome work.
	You know, it comes from a real photograph that we took at the hotel.
	And all she did was a little artistic work with it, and it really is cool.
	That is my wife, Ramona, my soulmate.
	And that is the hotel from Somewhere in Time In the background and that's exactly, exactly where we took that photograph.
	That's on my website right now.
	Really, really cool.
	So I want to thank Richard and Linda in Seattle and Ramona will be waking up shortly.
	She's taking a nap.
	When she wakes up I'm sure she's going to be very complimented.
	It's a beautiful picture.
	And she has very long hair as you can see and that's caught very well in this as well.
	Really cool.
	On my website right now at Artbell.com.
	First item under what's new.
	You might let me know what you think.
	But that's a real photograph, a little artistic interpretation.
	Really, really cool.
	So we just slammed that right up on the site just this minute.
	All right, back now to Michael C. Luckman.
	And Michael, if you're ready, I've got the public ready for you.
	Absolutely ready.
	Here they come.
	Let's see what happens.
	First time caller, you're on the air with Michael Luckman.
	Hi.
	Hi, how are you?
	OK, where are you?
	I'm in Ohio.
	OK.
	I really don't have a question.
	I have mostly a comment and it was on the speculation that if there were evidence to present or evidence were presented about some of these theories about human origins That it might throw the Christians and conservative peoples into a tailspin.
	Yes.
	And I would have to disagree with that.
	I am a Christian, and I don't disbelieve any of the experiences that people have had, or any of the things that show that there may be something out there.
	I'm not convinced, you know, what it is one way or the other, if it's actual extraterrestrial life, if it's spiritual beings, if it's a government thing.
	I really don't know.
	I am a very curious person by nature, and I also happen to be very conservative, but I think that it would not affect... I don't think that it would put doubt in the minds of Christians about human origin so much as it would just give people something else to argue about, similar to the way the theory of evolution did.
	I also think that maybe some of the reluctance on the part of Christians to delve into this too much Could be stemming from the fact that we are physical beings living in a physical world, and we have very little understanding of the spiritual side of our existence, and because the Bible cautions us against communicating with the spirits, communicating with the dead, and that sort of thing, that people are afraid that they may be crossing a boundary that God has set for them.
	No, I understand the reluctance.
	Believe me, I do, Michael.
	Yeah, well, you know, I mean, there are all degrees of belief, religious belief, and, for example, Father Balducci of the Vatican has come down, you know, very much on the side of Zechariah Sitchin, very open to the concept of the beings coming down here, perhaps from the Ten Planner Project.
	Well, that is true.
	Are you aware of Father Balducci's statements?
	No, no I'm really not.
	Oh, that's something you should look into at the Vatican.
	Michael is absolutely right about that.
	But that's a little tiny crack.
	In the armor, really, Michael.
	Even as amazing as his comments are, it's still a tiny crack.
	Yeah, I think what's going to happen is, I really think that what's going to happen is, as things continue to decline, unfortunately, I hate to say that, but I think that that's really the picture.
	As things continue to decline environmentally, and as Yes.
	this war thing continues to grind on and probably expanding
	knows where it's going but yes it's going to be perhaps for our entire lifetime
	unfortunately as the government is
	uh...
	i think that they're probably will be more uh... ufo uh...
	activity on a more pronounced basis and i do
	that there will be uh... choosing up a sign that you will of people who feel
	as i do that uh... these of being uh... represented by ufo's or or traveling ufo's
	or or uh...
	or or positive or or or or at the very least neutral in the main
	uh... and others who feel that they're negative uh...
	entities you should be stay away from it but all costs and and i i think it will
	be a great let me play the devil's advocate a little bit with you
	Uh, you generally believe they're positive, correct?
	Yes.
	Or positive and neutral.
	Uh, why would they abduct people?
	Now, abduct people and conduct medical experiments on them, you know, if you believe that occurs?
	No, I do believe that occurs.
	I've met many abductees, and I mean, nobody has the answer to that question.
	It's just a question without an answer.
	Abduction is like an alien word for kidnapping, you know?
	Well, you know, you could say the word kidnapping, but... I did.
	Okay.
	But, you know, it's... Taken without your will is a pretty good, loose, but accurate definition, right?
	Well, sure.
	But, you know, the thing is that if the... I don't really have an answer for you on that one.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Michael C. Lauchman.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I have a really good question for you.
	I think it's really good.
	Have you read the book, Dune?
	What's that, Dune?
	Dune.
	D-U-N-E.
	I haven't read it myself.
	The movie was based on?
	Yeah, I've read it, Caller.
	What's the point?
	Well, as opposed to the tunnels that were on Mars and based thereafter, I know it's an understanding of fiction, therefore non-fiction.
	It would.
	There's a lot of information behind that book that would deal with a lot to our first mission to the moon and some of its representatives talking there.
	I don't want to get into that.
	It's personal.
	By the way, this is Earl, and I'm listening to you on KFH in Wichita.
	Oh, OK.
	And friend or foe?
	I think foe, because most opposites that we find, I think we're afraid of the unknown.
	And most times, even if it is just a gesture, The understanding of it is unknown to us, and we wind up taking an offense, and I propose they would do that, too, as being friend or foe.
	If we ever did meet intelligent life from another planet, are there for?
	Well, at the very least, if we have an encounter, It might be a 50-50 proposition.
	I mean, they could end up meeting as well, or they could end up, you know, with us as, you remember the cookbook episode, right?
	Well, Art, but you know, they really, I mean, history, there really isn't any, they haven't taken us over, they haven't made us their meal.
	I know, I was exaggerating.
	But it may be, as I said earlier, that Earth represents a rather prime hunk of real estate, but they really can't interfere.
	Nor do they necessarily need to feel a need to interfere because we're constantly on the verge of destroying ourselves and leaving the real estate available.
	Yeah, and you're saying that they're just watching and waiting for that moment.
	I'm saying that's a possibility.
	I'm saying that's got to be considered along with the warm, fuzzy, here we are, now you're going to be a planet of one, you will war no more, here's some wonderful technology for you, we are your friends, prepare to join the galactic empire.
	That's one possibility, but there's another possibility, the one I described.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael C. Luckman.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Going once.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Proceed, sir.
	Pleasant good morning from Oklahoma.
	And a pleasant good morning to you.
	Pre-apology, if I should sneeze, cough, or sniff, I'm fighting a little head cold right now.
	Sorry to hear.
	I missed a lot of the show because of work, but something Michael said about the tether experiment with the shuttle brought something back to memory.
	Michael, are you familiar with the NOSS satellites?
	Why don't you continue beyond that, because I've heard of it, yes.
	Well, what they are is they're a set of triplet satellites.
	There's nine sets of them that the Navy's flying, and they're the Naval Ocean Surveillance System.
	Now, some people think they're tethered, and some people think they use low-thrust engines.
	The point I'm getting to here is, if they are tethered, how come nothing's going wrong with them?
	You know?
	If they're just tethered to hold them together and not tethered for an experiment to see if they can generate power.
	I mean, how come the aliens aren't coming around, circulating around where they're... Well, I mean, you had said that there is a possibility that someone didn't want us to learn something.
	And I thought, well, you know, that could be so, because if these nine sets of tethered satellites have been flying since 1990 and nothing's messed with them, the tethers aren't used for any type of experimentation that people know of if they are tethered.
	They're just simply used to hold them in formation.
	And I've actually seen some of these flying.
	And they hold pretty good formation.
	That was one thing.
	Another thing I wanted to ask you was, I was looking back through one of my old issues of Astronomy Magazine and I ran across a NASA photo from Apollo 15 panoramic camera of the moon and on the Aristarchus Plateau is a very anomalous feature that has a striking resemblance to the Sedonia face.
	Really?
	And it's camera frame 343 from the Apollo 15 panoramic camera.
	And I'm looking at it right now.
	And it's in the April 1995 issue of Astronomy Magazine, and I wondered if you'd ever seen that, or if anyone had ever mentioned it to you before?
	No, I have not seen it.
	I haven't heard about it, and I'm definitely interested in it.
	Why don't you fire a copy of that off to me, Culler?
	Okay.
	What I can do is maybe I can...
	Ooh, fax doesn't come two through.
	No, fax is bad.
	You're not accepting snail mail either, are you?
	Not at the moment.
	But if you can get somebody with a scanner, get it scanned and just fire it over.
	Okay, I'll see what I can do.
	And something else I want to get you.
	When you start accepting snail mail, I've got some stuff from NASA that I'd like to send you straight from the vomit comet.
	I'll be announcing it right here on the air.
	Alright, thank you very much and take care.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael Luckman.
	Hello.
	Hello there.
	Oh, I'm sorry, it was for the Rockies.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, when I was a geology student, I once was trying to understand plate tectonics, so I made a clay model of the Earth without the water.
	Right.
	What I came up with looked like a fractured sphere with a large part of it missing.
	Right.
	what occurred to me is that maybe Mars was once part of Earth
	removed by some type of cosmic collision and perhaps what we're seeing on Mars
	are remnants of the same civilization that built our pyramids
	in other words, Mars and Earth were once one it did
	the mass of the area missing on Earth if you account for continental drift and other things
	appears to be about one third of the mass of the Earth
	that's the size of Mars that's a new one on me but that's very very interesting and
	that would account for the artifacts keeping other things in place wouldn't it
	It might.
	That's a totally new one on me.
	Let's see, about a third the mass, you say, which is about the mass of Mars that's missing from Earth.
	And perhaps what we see on Mars is part of that same civilization on Earth that built our pyramids here.
	Not bad.
	Not bad.
	I think it would have to go back a lot further than that.
	Yeah, since we've put a dune buggy up there on the moon, how come we haven't built a split level of a carport to park that sucker in?
	It seems like the American thing to do, doesn't it?
	I put a dune buggy up there on the moon.
	How come we haven't built a split level of a carport to park that sucker in?
	It seems like the American thing to do, to me.
	And put a garage up there?
	Gone back and gotten on the moon also.
	Do you think contrails have anything to do with Star Wars in terms of electromagnetic
	fields with metallic particles in the atmosphere acting as a possible plasma attractor?
	I'll take my answer off the air, thanks.
	Alright, well, that's a lot to try and plow through here, but you know, the contrail controversy is worth asking you about.
	Are you following that at all?
	Yes, I have been.
	Do you have any opinions on it?
	Yeah, it would seem that it would appear that it's related to the environmental problems and trying to stave off some of those environmental problems.
	I should have said really chemtrails, that's what everybody calls them.
	Yeah, I can tell you that New York, I mean, the skies have been absolutely covered at times with what looks like giant chalk markings.
	Something's going on.
	Something's going on.
	And I do agree it's an effort to change something.
	I think there's something going on with chemtrails and I think there's something going on with HAARP.
	And I'm not sure which one is working on the weather and which one might be working on perhaps some effort to cool the planet or something like that.
	I have no idea.
	But it's certainly a massive program.
	It certainly is.
	So you do believe there really is something there, whatever it is?
	There's no question.
	I'll tell you, I was standing, I live in the village of Manhattan, and I was standing on the street and a friend of mine, who I'm listening to your show regularly, was telling me about it when they first started to appear, and he said, look up, describe, show me this cloud.
	He said, that's not a real cloud, that was formed.
	I said, come on, you've got to be kidding.
	Yeah, that's not normal.
	And then, all of a sudden, Uh, one of these white, uh, very well-flying white planes.
	Uh, hold on, hold on.
	We'll get the rest of the story after the bottom of the hour.
	You're listening to Arc Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 13th, 2002.
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	had You gave me the love, love that I never had
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 13, 2002.
	Good morning, everybody.
	Michael C. Luckman is here.
	We're talking about the second face, the new face on Mars.
	Or should I say faces, plural.
	There are two of them there.
	It is astounding when you can finally make it into his website.
	We've got a link up on ours.
	Good luck.
	Take a look for yourself.
	Tell me what you think.
	It is absolutely astounding.
	We'll be right back.
	Now, we take you back to the night of February 13th, 2002, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	Alright, Michael, how are you holding up there a little before 5 in the morning?
	I'm doing really good.
	Doing alright, huh?
	Sure.
	Alright, here we go.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Michael C. Luckman.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Julie from Philadelphia.
	Yes.
	I find it absolutely fascinating and I just wondered, could Michael tell us how we could get involved with the Cosmic number, what is it, Cosmic Majority?
	CosmicMajority.com.
	Yeah, well, once we can get our website back out, apparently everyone's been trying to get through and you would go to CosmicMajority.com or you could send us a an email at NEBULA 2002 at AOL.com and we'll be happy to give you membership information.
	Uh huh.
	Well that would be great.
	We're a hotbed of UFO interest in Philadelphia, I can tell you.
	Yes, actually a lot of UFO interest originally in the West and the Southwest.
	Interestingly, it has moved a lot of reports in the Midwest and the East Coast now in the last, I don't know, two years, maybe.
	Suddenly, it's moved East.
	Really weird.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Michael C. Luckman.
	Hello.
	Good morning, Mr. Bill.
	Morning, sir.
	And good morning, Michael.
	Hi.
	I don't know if you've touched on this at all tonight.
	I only catch the last two hours of the show where I am.
	My name is Dave.
	I'm originally from Mars, and I listen to you guys on the radio.
	You're originally from where?
	From Mars.
	Okay, so you think your ancestors, uh... Um, through the last couple years of listening to you and Mike Segal, unfortunately, before, but, uh, yeah, I'm pretty much sure of it.
	I see.
	Um, the, uh, the black star that's just outside of Pluto, that'll pass through Earth's orbit in 2003, I believe it is?
	So some say, yes.
	What type of effect, what's the time frame of that?
	Does it happen every 3,500, 5,000, 11,000 years?
	Um, what type of effect will that have on our gravity or will it cause a pole shift indefinitely?
	All right, let's ask about that.
	There are many who feel that Mr. Sitchin's planet, or the star associated with it, is indeed on the way.
	The rumors are everywhere.
	I assume you've heard them, Michael?
	I have heard them.
	I have heard them.
	Two scientists recently just made some kind of a statement in regard to it.
	What effect will it have?
	Well, I guess it remains to be seen.
	Yeah, I mean, it could be catastrophic, theoretically.
	If we, you know, go by, as the planet comes closer, the gravitational pull could cause all kinds of different problems.
	I'm not so sure about an actual pull shift, which would be the ultimate worst thing that could happen, but we'll just have to see.
	A pull shift would be really bad.
	Really very bad.
	Yeah.
	Ease to the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael C. Luckman.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	I want to say, who are you, mister?
	Who are you?
	An atheistic, drug-abusing, hippie, new-ager, to come and tell us you serve 6,000 years of truth and light from the Bible.
	Call us Bible-thumpers.
	Listen to this!
	I love the Bible!
	I love the Bible!
	You know what?
	I'm led by the Bible, and if you want to know about hell, you tell me about hell.
	Hell is not a Star Trek black hole.
	Hell is the pits of boiling sewage where your skin is pulled from your face, and you are dunked into the boiling sewage.
	And spiders crawl all over your body, and snakes and everything.
	Your body will cover you.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	That wasn't the real J.C.
	That was a tape of J.C.
	More, JC, give us more. I really wanted to know what your health...
	Boiling pits of sewage, I remember that.
	You are waiting for a lie, Mr. Bale. Lies.
	Stop, stop, stop. That wasn't the real JC. That was a tape of JC.
	But that, on the other hand, I let go because that is JC.
	And that you were hearing no matter who was playing him to us.
	And that is that man's opinion of what we do here and where it's going to lead.
	Yeah.
	And he is, albeit a rather extreme example, an example of the fanatical right.
	Religious right.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	So, boiling pits of sewage await.
	West of the Rockies, you're on there with Michael C. Luckman.
	Hello.
	Hi guys.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I was wondering about if there's any way we might be able to tell the age sometime because the mist of Atlanta... Well, whoever it was, we just lost him.
	Sorry about that.
	His phone just disconnected.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Yes, turn your radio off please.
	Okay.
	It's number one.
	Yes.
	Now proceed and tell us where you are.
	North Carolina.
	Okay, fire away.
	Okay, am I on the air?
	You better be, or we're in trouble.
	Okay, well, I didn't know if I'm talking to anybody yet.
	Well, you're talking to me, and I'm the only one here, and so you have to be on the air.
	Is Michael there?
	Yes, I'm here.
	Okay, you're there too.
	Okay, this is a first-time caller, so I can't tell.
	Yes, this is Rachel from North Carolina.
	Actually, I was able to get through after you mentioned the story about the white plane.
	A low-flying white plane?
	Yes.
	Yeah, maybe you can talk about that later.
	I'd like to hear about that.
	I had that happen here.
	Yeah.
	Well, this plane came out, suddenly shot out of the cloud, as we were talking about the cloud, whether it was a real or a fake cloud, and it went back in and actually filled in the missing area, the open area in the cloud.
	Did it have any markings on it?
	It didn't have any markings on it.
	Yeah, pure white, right?
	Yes.
	Oh, I saw one of those, too.
	Everybody's seeing them.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, great.
	Well, I'm glad to hear that.
	Well, yeah, obviously something is going on.
	The question is, what is going on?
	We don't know.
	Is this an attempt to mitigate some sort of warming of the planet?
	That's my guess.
	Change the weather.
	I guess ultimately it would do that as well.
	But, you know, everybody's sort of Yes, sir.
	who knows what it is we just know something's going on a wild card liner
	on the air with michael c luckman high going once going twice
	bond used to the rockies you're on the air with michael c luckman hello
	yes sir refused to move ten billion years ago that people want to
	live in interstellar space about ten billion per galaxy
	must be an awful lot of dark matter out there and he's ufos are very
	reconnaissance missions
	and they were clear charts that show us the still be an aboriginal savages
	eddie one of the be afraid to plan in certain places And they're more likely replenishing some of the things they can't continuously recycle, like oxygen from our atmosphere.
	That may well be.
	I read a very interesting article the other day about a scientist saying now that one of the first space probes we sent out, which is now beginning to get into really deep space outside the galaxy, Is some mysterious unknown force is actually slowing it down significantly.
	I mean, you know, sort of like the satellite, or the space probe, I guess it's more accurately called, is running into some kind of slow but sure barrier out there.
	So there's a lot of strange things that we don't know about.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael C. Luckman.
	Hello.
	Hi, interesting show tonight.
	Thank you.
	This is Debbie in Montana.
	Hi, I was wondering if your guests would be open to the possibility that those monuments and everything are put there, not by us or by aliens, but by immortals.
	By mortals?
	By immortal beings, like angels.
	The Bible theme is continuing tonight.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, anything is possible.
	It depends how you want to define angels or extraterrestrials.
	I mean, some people put them in the same category, some people put them in different categories.
	Supernatural beings, which angels have been described as being, would fit into that category, but I myself think more in terms of extraterrestrial than angel.
	I see.
	There's a website, watcher.cc, that talks about Van Flandern's exploded planet theory and they say that those monuments are angelic as opposed to alien.
	I just wanted to throw that out there.
	Alright, thank you very much.
	So you see, Michael, as you listen to the variety of callers that we've packed into an hour here, not even an hour yet, a fairly The representative portion of them have obviously been of the religious right.
	Now, that's why I contend that Dr. Van Flanderen is absolutely right, and if we come back with irrefutable evidence that would suggest things that would upset the status quo, that we are very, very, very unlikely to hear about it right away.
	Yeah.
	Well, that may be, but I think what we will hear about it, and I think that while it might be very upsetting to some people, the fact of the matter is that a lot of people like you and I, hopefully, would welcome this and would be very excited about it.
	I welcome the truth, yes.
	Whatever it is.
	Right.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Michael C. Luckman.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yeah, I just want to address something.
	The two of you indirectly, directly, I would say called that guy a crackpot and a nut that said he was from Mars because you never addressed it.
	No, no, actually we didn't.
	I said you mean in the sense that you are a relative of Or you are a relative of Martians, which is the way we began the program.
	I actually, as one of the first things I said, I think, to Michael, do you mean that we are descended from Martians?
	He said yes.
	He said yes, so no.
	That particular guy said he was from Mars.
	I know.
	But he admitted, sir, that it was in that sense that he said that.
	I didn't catch that.
	Yeah, you missed that.
	Good show.
	Okay, thank you.
	Take care.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Michael C. Luckman.
	Hi.
	Hey Art.
	Yes.
	How you doing buddy?
	Okay, where are you?
	Um, Myrtle Beach.
	Uh, South Carolina?
	Yes sir.
	Alright.
	Yeah, I got a question for Michael.
	Yes.
	Um, you was talking about the pyramids and that new face you found near it.
	Yes.
	Um, you said it was twice as tall as the Well, no, what I said was that there are pyramids.
	Now, this is separate from the Old Face and the New Face.
	There's another area entirely called Elysium.
	And that area has pyramids that are twice as tall, I would say at least five or six pyramids shown in one photo, that are twice as tall as the height of what the World Trade Center used to be.
	Well, that's amazing because The big pyramid in Giza was about 44 stories, wasn't it?
	I believe it is, somewhere around there.
	The bottom of it covers about 16 acres.
	Right.
	So if you go on the same degrees, it's about 42 degrees, I believe it is.
	The bottom of the pyramid that you're talking about on Mars would be somewhere around 80 acres.
	Right.
	So that had to be a pretty good bit of distance apart.
	Yeah, it'll be interesting to see when Dr. Van Flanderen begins looking at the second face, which you say he's already seen, and then begins to do some of the mathematical calculations comparing the two, you know, the Cydonia image and what you have found.
	Or actually, you gave credit to somebody else at the beginning.
	Yeah, there's a guy by the name of, there's an astronomer by the name of Greg Ormay.
	O-R-M-A-Y.
	Who found this?
	I believe he's an amateur astronomer and he was the guy who actually made the discovery.
	Okay.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael C. Luckman.
	Good morning.
	Hello?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I was wondering if you thought there was any connection between Sirius, the star, and the Mars between the two species breeding?
	Well, I don't know.
	I mean, I'm familiar somewhat with the Cirrus Mystery, the book, and the Dogon tribe and stuff, but I just have no idea.
	Too much of a connection to try to make right now, anyway.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael C. Luckman.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Yes, sir.
	This is Ernie calling from Lake Forest, California, listening to you on KFI out of Los Angeles.
	Of course, yes.
	I just wanted to say, and I'd like to hear what your guest has to say about this, I am a Christian and I have an interesting theory from a Christian's perspective that if there was an ancient civilization on Mars, I have a theory to why it no longer exists.
	What would that be?
	Well, if you're familiar with the genealogy in the Bible of Genesis about Noah and the flood, There's a possibility that God could have created two human races, one on Earth and one on Mars.
	And what happened was that later on, man fell into sin and became unfaithful to God.
	And the difference between Mars and Earth is that on Earth, only eight people were still faithful to God, and that was Noah and his family.
	But on Mars, and this is the difference, there was nobody left who was faithful to God, so God wiped them out.
	Mulser, your theory is as good as anybody else's.
	Thank you very much.
	That's as good a theory as anybody's right now.
	In fact, the matter is, we don't know.
	We just have these pictures, and they do demand some sort of explanation.
	There's no question about it.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Michael C. Luckman.
	Hello.
	Good morning, Art, from below desert.
	Yes, sir.
	I'm calling from Palm Springs, California.
	Right.
	And I'd like to ask Michael a question regarding the faces on Mars and the talk that we've had about time travel in the past.
	Yes.
	And if there's a distinct possibility that there were beings that had a civilization on Mars that was way advanced from ours, And decided that they had to leave their particular planet for whatever reason.
	Well, the reason is pretty obvious.
	Their atmosphere more or less evaporated for one reason or another.
	Probably a collision of some sort.
	And so their form of breathing was going away.
	And so they had to adapt, right?
	Right.
	Something else.
	It's a very logical sense that they would be coming to our planet if they felt that they could reproduce and continue on.
	It's a theory.
	It's a theory.
	Do you believe that we have been traveled by time travelers?
	That we have been visited by time travelers?
	I do.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I have an open mind on it.
	I think it's likely.
	Art, how do you feel?
	I just told you.
	I think it's likely.
	If time travel is ever going to be a reality, and I believe that it will be.
	In fact, we're getting closer and closer with quantum entanglement and quantum computers and all the rest of it.
	If it's ever going to happen, and I believe it's likely that someday it will, and it is possible, then they would either be here now or have flitted through from time to time.
	So, it's logical to me.
	Does that answer your question?
	Caller?
	I guess he's not there.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Turn your radio off, please.
	All right.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Real quick question, because we're almost out of time.
	OK.
	Keeping with the Christian theme, what about the possibility that Mars could have been the Garden of Eden, and when Adam and Eve were cast out, they were cast down here to Earth?
	Again, it's certainly a theory.
	Michael, we're out of time.
	I'm so sorry.
	Again, I'm going to say, though, if you look back on this hour, at the calls that have come in, I would say, go back and say, hey, Tom, you know I was on with Art Bell, and you should have heard the last hour, Tom.
	You might be right.
	I want to thank you for being here, Michael.
	Thank you very much, Art.
	You have a good night.
	Thank you.
	Take care.
	Bye.
	That's Michael Loughlin.
	He's got the second face on Mars.
	Actually, second.
	No, actually third and fourth phases.
	Depending on how you're counting.
	That'll be about it for tonight from the High Desert.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Ta-ta.

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