Michael C. Luckman, founder of the Cosmic Majority and UFO researcher, discusses a newly discovered human-like face on Mars—spotted by amateur astronomer Greg Ormay—alongside a simian face, both allegedly artificial, contradicting NASA’s dismissal of the Cydonia "trick of light" theory. He ties this to Erich von Däniken’s Sitchin doctrine and speculates NASA’s March 2002 Mars Odyssey thermal imaging could confirm their origins, potentially sparking societal upheaval amid conservative resistance. Luckman also explores government space weapons fears, chemtrails as global "chalk markings," and fringe theories like Martian pole shifts or Eden connections, blending UFO lore with speculative history while Art Bell remains cautiously open to radical possibilities. [Automatically generated summary]
Elsewhere in the world, the French figure skating judge was pressured to listen to this, quote, act in a certain way before she voted to give the gold to the Russians in pairs.
This is according to the head of the French Olympic team this evening.
That's a big story.
A judge, a French judge of all, you know, the French, one of the most obstinate, individualistic, sometimes annoying group of people on the face of the globe, as far as I'm concerned.
I love France, by the way.
I absolutely love Paris.
But the French, well.
And so a French judge was pressured to go the way of the Russians?
Holy mackerel.
You can't pressure the French to do anything usually.
Interesting.
President Bush on global warming.
Now this is also really interesting.
President Bush offering his alternative to the Kyoto global warming pact.
Listen to this now.
wants U.S. businesses to voluntarily track and reduce the output of greenhouse gases voluntarily huh he would offer an array of tax incentives that's good for corporations farms and individuals to do so in addition bush said the government in 2012 interesting year george end of the Mayan calendar uh anyway said the government in 2012 uh will re-evaluate its success in cutting greenhouse gases and consider a new possibly tougher system now
that will be an interesting year in which to reconsider getting tougher on global warming 2012 what do you think Enron executive uh Sharon Watkins is it warned Chairman Kenneth Lay back on the uh 30th of October that, quote, we need to come clean, end quote, and disclosed the heavy financial losses from the company's complex web of partnerships.
So somebody has at least said something.
And speaking of people saying things, I was absolutely stunned today.
I don't know why I should be, because he said a lot of crazy stuff, you know.
But this one takes the cake.
And I wrote the quote down word for word from CNN.
I just, you know, stopped the action on CNN, which you can do with these nice new digital satellite receivers that have hard drives in them and wrote it down.
And Ted Turner said, quote, the reason the World Trade Center got hit is because there are a lot of people living in abject poverty out there who don't have hope for a better life.
The reason the World Trade Center got hit is because there are a lot of people living in abject poverty out there who don't have hope for a better life.
That's astounding.
You know, Ted has said some astoundingly stupid things, in my opinion, in the past, but this one really takes the cake.
There is a story coming out of Mexico that's very disturbing.
Apparently, it's hard to understand these kinds of numbers, but hundreds of millions of monarch butterflies have died in a cataclysmic freak snowstorm in the Mexican mountains where they spend each winter after a journey of about 3,000 miles.
American and Mexican researchers estimated that as many as 270 million frozen butterfly bodies now littered the ground after the storm last month in their pine forest havens west of Mexico City.
270 million monarch butterflies.
Now, those are pretty heavy numbers.
Those are just about actually the numbers, the exact number of people, or close to it, that we have in totality in the United States of America.
That many people.
270 million monarch butterflies.
Oh my God.
So I guess they didn't go far enough south, huh?
Because of their arrival, because it actually coincides with Mexico's Day of the Dead celebrations.
Many villagers believe that the butterflies represent the spirit of their ancestors.
So then I wonder what that means to them that this would occur, the spirit of their ancestors, huh?
270 million dead.
Yikes.
Somebody in the last few days has been calling me and commenting on some sort of hum near Kokomo, Indiana.
And there is something going on in Kokomo.
Complaints about the Kokomo hum began in 1999 when a handful of local residents began to report a constant low-pitched rumbling noise.
They say they developed a range of mysterious health problems soon after, including dizziness, diarrhea, extreme fatigue, joint muscle pain, nosebleeds, excruciating, unending headaches.
One 55-year-old grandmother said, quote, I think we all know something was starting to go drastically wrong about two years ago.
It went from headache to never-ending headache, she says.
When she leaves Kokomo to visit relatives, the suffering abates.
Maria McDaniel said it's been over two years now.
She lives several miles away from the first person named Zimmerman with the headaches.
We just noticed a low hum, a drone in the background.
It seemed to increase in intensity in the wee hours of the night, like right now, for example.
McDaniel says she and her two sons and her husband began to experience regular headaches, sleep problems, diarrhea around the same time, all of them.
She admits she doesn't know for certain how the sound she hears relates to the symptoms, but she wants the hum investigated.
Now, it goes on and on and on and on.
It's an ABCnews.com story, so this is in the mainstream press.
You can go to ABCNews.com and read it, or I'm sure we'll get a link up.
Isn't that something?
Personally, it would be my guess that it's something going on underground.
It might be a transference, you know, like from a diesel engine running somewhere or something, but, you know, I don't really buy that.
This has got to be something deeper to be felt over such a wide area.
It has to be deeper in the earth.
And the deeper in the earth something is, the wider an area it will affect.
Witnessed the earthquake down in Central or South America, 780 some-odd kilometers deep, felt to New York.
The deeper you go with some sort of sound or effect, the wider an area it will affect.
So whatever this is, it must be down there some ways.
It'd be very interesting to hear from some people in the Kokomo area or the area affected by this strange hum.
This, in my opinion, indicator of something going On underground, way down there.
We'll be right back.
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Now, we take you back to the night of February 13, 2002, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
And it says, global warming could slow Earth spin and lengthen days.
Listen to this.
By steadily releasing more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, and we're doing that, folks, humans could inadvertently slow down the rotation of the Earth, according to a new scientific report.
Oh, we get new scientific reports all the time.
A team of Belgian researchers we seem to have here came to that conclusion after using climate models to simulate a 1% increase in the primary greenhouse gas each year, a rise they say coincides with current trends.
How wild slight, the shift in a planet's spin could be measured over the course of decades, providing an ideal method to check the effects of civilization-induced warming of the world, the scientists said.
The Earth's rotation is an interesting quantity as it is global.
Meteorological data are mainly local, said one scientist.
Consequently, the Earth's rotation is a useful tool for looking at the effects of global climate change.
They plotted how the extra gas would affect ocean currents, atmospheric winds, and other meteorological patterns that influence the angular momentum of the Earth in the short term.
Natural variations like weather systems would muddle the task of determining how much gas influx slows the planet.
But over decades or longer, the human effect could become quite pronounced, at least in relation to precise measurements of celestial mechanics.
So in other words, it could actually, they're saying, somehow alter the speed of the Earth.
And I'm not exactly sure what the consequences of that would be, but I doubt that it would be anything good if we began to slow down.
There would probably be some problems to contend with.
I've studied a little bit about this global warming effect.
I've always wondered with the holes appearing over the poles if this is just some effect of the mass of the Earth and releasing these chlorophyll carbon gases into interstellar space and then contracting back, basically moving and adding as like a pop-off bound situation.
I've not yet found any information whatsoever to back up anything of that thought, but it seems to me through the millennium of the Earth's history itself, through the volcanism that's happened, that we would have had some major things happen in the past and the Earth would have not renewed itself as it has.
Okay, we are on the track, not of that man, because he does not speak English, but a colleague of his in St. Petersburg, Russia, we're trying to make contact with him right now and get him on the air.
The Russians may have a time machine.
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Oh, wow.
That's fantastic.
I hope that'll work out.
Yes, and I'm glad for the update on that.
My question was about the people who cause batteries and different things to not work or they put out street lamps and things like that, which my significant other of 15 years does do.
I just wondered if in a time machine they would cause it to go haywire since they cause so many other things to go haywire, which could be one of the problems when they're trying to use that if they try to use a person who does disorient machinery.
Well, I wouldn't let them anywhere near my time machine if I had one.
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Yeah.
And the other thing I wondered is if people who have a birthday on February the 29th don't already start out as a good candidate since they're at a time that doesn't always exist on the calendar.
I am so, I wonder why I am so fascinated with time travel.
I just don't know.
I really am.
It's an endless fascination for me.
And I would love to give it a try.
Wouldn't you?
Have you ever wondered if you had the option, for example, of leaving the present time you're in and going to any time you would like, in the past or in the future, just one little catch, because there always is a catch to things, you know.
You couldn't come back, what would you do?
Would you go forward in time?
Where would you go?
To when would you go?
Would you go back in time?
I think the majority choice would probably be to go back in time, because of course going ahead is the unknown.
You have no idea.
There'd be a few adventuresome people who would do that.
My guess is they'd probably be disappointed.
I mean, consider what's happening to rock music right now.
Jump ahead 100 or 200 or 500 years and your disappointment would know no ends.
Go back, on the other hand, and you kind of could pick the era you wanted.
Even late at night, lying in bed, plotting and planning your revenge or whatever, they're going to know exactly what you're thinking.
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Right, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
But it makes me wonder who else they've done this to and how easy it is for them to control because if I go to someone else to try and get help about it, they've already contacted them.
That they were to be devoting that much time And energy to ruining your life?
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Right, I agree.
Until it happened to me, it wasn't something I would believe in.
But I do have one question that might from what I understand, this technology has been around since the 60s, and a lot of regular police officers know about it.
And I was just wondering if maybe another police officer might call in and ask to substantiate this technology on your show.
Well, I mean, you could imagine doing all sorts of things that would have them sending resources all over the place, trying to prevent you from doing these evil deeds, and you'd be sitting at home watching TV, smiling.
Yeah, but I know, but according to him, gasoline would have to go to that price to support the change, and the air would be the winner, the air over our cities and all the rest of it.
And that's a pretty hard point to argue.
Even if your math is correct, that's a really hard point to argue.
We've got a break here, top of the hour, coming up.
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road, yeah Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Tonight's program originally aired February 13th, 2002.
What's coming up is bound to be interesting one way or the other, I'll tell you.
Michael C. Luckman is what's coming, the founder of the Cosmic Majority, director of the New York Center for UFO Research.
He's frequently made global news headlines from a 60s anti-war activist to his latest foray revealing a new totally human-like face on Mars.
Yeah, you're going to get to see it.
That has sent shockwaves about the world.
Luckman is a powerful voice for social change and the evolution of the human species at the dawn of the new millennium.
Dubbed the real-life counterpart to Mel Gibson in the hit movie Conspiracy Theory by CNN.
Luckman was the first investigator to expose television's infamous alien autopsy as a hoax.
He courageously broke the story of a special project launched, billionaire Lawrence Rockefeller to open the White House's secret X-Files.
And then 15 cameras were rolling when he answered the official U.S. Air Force report about the crash of a flying saucer carrying alien occupants in Roswell, New Mexico in 1947.
An outspoken lecturer and guest on many major TV shows like Geraldo, Extra Hard Copy, Current Affair, Luckman called NASA's stunning life on Mars announcement a trial balloon to gradually prepare all of us for actual contact with an extraterrestrial civilization.
He organized the first demonstration at the UN calling on the world body to address the UFO issue and halt the buildup of Star Wars weapons that could trigger a real-life war of the worlds.
Bill O'Reilly, host of the Fox News Channel's top-rated talk show, The O'Reilly Factor, once asked Luckman to bring a live space alien onto the program so that he could score an exclusive interview with an extraterrestrial.
Fox News anchorman Shepard Smith reported if and when the aliens finally land, Luckman is going to be able to say, I told you so.
He taught the nation's first college course on rock music at the New School for Social Research, where he was director of publications.
Folk singer Richie Havens joined Luckman at one of three major UFO conventions sponsored by the New York Center for UFO Research.
Havens has endorsed Luckman's idea to hold a UFO Woodstock featuring numerous rock stars that have had UFO encounters.
There are many, as a matter of fact.
Michael Jackson told Luckman, I do believe in aliens.
When the two men met in New York City last year, King of Pop signed the back of his UFO business card and accepted a small silver alien keychain in return.
coming up in a moment, Michael C. Luckman.
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Now we take you back to the night of February 13, 2002 on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Now, I'd like to start out by making clarification.
Actually, the discovery was made by a man by the name of Greg Ormay, O-R-M-A-Y, who's an amateur astronomer, and he had been in contact with Arthur C. Clarke, and I believe has continuing contact with him.
He had spotted the photo, that is the image of this new, extraordinary new face on Mars.
And Tom Van Flander and myself, together with Brian O'Leary, made the announcement of the discovery of this face recently at a news conference here in New York.
We've put the pigmentation in not to change any of the contouring at all, but simply so that people could see exactly, you know, just for purposes of making it a little bit more dramatic, the black and white image.
Now, the important new information, I was just speaking to Tom Van Flanden, is that what led to finding the face is, as you know, these photos from NAS and JPL are released.
They're usually long, thin strips.
The face, besides the face, the previous strip shows building-like objects off to the edge, which greatly enhances the likelihood, of course, that the face is artificially constructed.
Well, I haven't seen that picture myself, but that was a description that Tom Van Flandren gave me.
Yes, and I couldn't pin him down any more than that.
I don't think he's given, obviously he's not given to hyperbole, so last person to be.
So, you know, that's as far as we could make it, but he feels, as I do, that this greatly enhances the likelihood that it's artificially constructed, meaning that it was actually built by somebody.
I hope that most of your listeners will be able to get to look at it because it's just amazing.
We put together a videotape of life on Mars, new scientific evidence, and it shows scenes from the press conference, but most importantly, it shows some of these key pictures taken among the 65,000 photos that were taken by Mars Global Surveyor.
And this, of course, is one of the probably the most single most important one.
And with that many photographs, that many strips, that much terrain, you know, the old hundred monkey thing.
Isn't it possible that faces appear where the human mind, I mean, after all, we all pour over these photographs looking for anything at all that registers in our brain as not possibly not natural.
The human mind looks for that.
You're automatically looking for life or signs of life.
We look to put things on our, in terms that we can understand.
On the other hand, unless there's something very strange about the wind, let's say on Mars, that creates not only faces repeatedly, but perfectly formed pyramids.
For example, one of the areas that hardly ever gets mentioned is an area called Elysium, which Carl Sagan has spoken about.
Elysium has, there are some photographs that were taken by NASA that shows huge pyramids, pyramids twice as tall as what's the size of the height of the World Trade Center.
Yeah, I would say in regard to the worms or the glass tubes, they're very, I mean, I'm of two minds in regard to them.
I basically feel that there's something there extremely significant and that it might, in fact, have been some form of, you know, for water.
I think of it more as like tunnels perhaps that were used for water at one time.
Tom Van Flandern has been telling me that he has new pictures of more tunnels.
He's examining, he's set aside about 100 photographs that indicate, you know, have for special treatment, things that show things that are unusual that are being further analyzed.
And it includes quite a number of those pictures of the tunnels.
On the other hand, though, the tunnels do have an organic feel to them.
So from that point of view, you could say that the tunnels are a natural part of the surface.
And I've looked at those, I don't know how many times, and it looks like either a tunnel, for as you put it, water, which may be under the surface of Mars.
We're about to find out, I guess.
Or transportation, or you could imagine a million different things, but they sure don't look like natural formations.
Yeah, well, they come up and they wind all over the planet, it seems.
And this face that I'm looking at here, you know, very, you know, we held a news conference in New York on this face, and the New York Post, for example, did run almost a page on it, and they had a giant picture of it.
And it did get picked up here around on some television, et cetera.
But considering the import of what it is, this is why we decided to put together this videotape, which is getting great currency now.
And if I may, I would just like to mention that people can go to www.shoptera, S-H-O-P-T-E-R-R-A.com, both to see the box art and the picture, as well as to order this tape,
which has not only face on Mars, but also pictures of the tunnels and all kinds of other things, including possibly what Arthur C. Clarke and others, Tom Van Flander and myself, feel might be some form of vegetation or even giant trees.
I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think they talk about something having to do with permafrost in regard to these trees, or these vegetation areas that we're calling that.
But you would have to ask them for more elaboration on it.
But of course, as you know, NASA very rarely ever confronts the thing head-on.
I mean, I think there is obviously this legitimate interest in it.
As a matter of fact, it was just a poll that was done, a survey conducted by NASA that found that it seems the majority of Americans support a manned mission to Mars.
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And what is striking and really just blows me away is the, I mean, the mouth is clear, the nose is clear with shadowing, the eyes are clear and the eyes are distinct.
I had asked Tom Van Flander, by the way, today about whether NASA could take more pictures of this.
And unfortunately, with the current camera that they're using on the Mars Odyssey mission, they're set up with thermal imaging equipment, which is supposed to shoot in mid-March, approximately the original face.
And that should tell us a lot about the original face and could answer the entire question as to whether it's artificial or not.
I don't think that all these pictures necessarily would be available to us.
Obviously, when they dumped 65,000 pictures out, they knew that it would be poured over by people like you and me and so many other scientists, astronomers, and whatnot.
And so they allowed them out.
I think that that says quite a lot right there.
There is also very much, I would say, a political factor.
Well, I know, but that's a little like, you know, if you're an attorney, you're in the middle of a lawsuit, you request a document, and they bring in a warehouse, you know, and they bring in a warehouse of documents, and you've got to go through that warehouse to maybe find the document you're looking for.
Yeah, well, they knew it would take, you know, a certain amount of time, but that people would be persistent, and that eventually it would come out.
I also think that the Bush administration, probably because for fairly obvious reasons, the fact that people are so worried now about the terrorist problem, that this is a way of taking attention away from that and putting attention off onto some great adventure for the moment.
It would divert our attention a little bit from what's been going on.
It's been pretty serious and scary.
And this at least is sort of on the I guess let me rephrase that.
Depending on what we would find on Mars, Michael, I'm not sure how the news would be received.
And maybe that's something we ought to spend a little time getting your opinion on.
If a mission to Mars resulted in irrefutable evidence that there had been life on Mars and that probably that life had been us or our ancestors, Michael, the resulting furor over news like that would be beyond calculation.
And by the way, it was the Christian fundamentalists and the Reverend Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority, which fortunately doesn't exist anymore, that prompted me to set up the CosmicMajority.com, which is an alternative.
As a matter of fact, I heard that Joan Rivers had somehow, I guess, invited you to be on her show to discuss the whole UFO cover-up thing, the whole business about UFOs, and somehow or another that got retracted.
Joan, a friend called me and told me that Joan was on her late-night show talking about UFOs or wanting to talk about UFOs and asking callers to call in who knew anything about the subject.
Really?
I wouldn't normally, I don't often call in to talk on shows, unless I'm invited as a guest, but sometimes I do.
In this case, she was pleading, so I called her up and I laid out on her in about 10 minutes, and you know how Joan is, talk, talk, talk.
Well, she just kept her mouth shut for the whole 10 minutes, and I proceeded as much as a person could possibly do in 10 minutes to lay out for her the extent of the cover-up.
She was aware of the, she was upset because she had seen a report on CNN regarding the Washington news conference that was held by the Disclosure Project, and she saw all of these military guys up there.
And she didn't know why it was, she was upset that it wasn't reported on in the newspapers.
So I explained to her what exactly had taken place there, and that there was, you know, that these military officials, former military officials and military intelligence people, that there are a lot of them, they had very specific things to say.
And additionally, I talked to her about the Lawrence Rockefeller report, the briefing document, which at one time was fairly secret, which went to world leaders, and facts like that.
And at the end of all of this, she obviously was quite stunned.
Her assistant came on the line and said, Joan would like to have you on as a guest for a whole hour and that next week, early in the week.
And then she apparently had a change of heart over the weekend.
The explanation given to me is, well, Joan did UFOs already.
Now she wants to move on to something else, but we'll get back to you, whatever.
And the door isn't closed there.
But I think, frankly, she's a little afraid of it because I don't hold back.
I mean, I, like you, I just say what I feel and, you know, let the chips fall where they may.
Well, I would have said that at this point, I mean, I'll debate the subject with anybody about whether UFOs exist or not, but I'm way past that.
I would say that the most, well, I don't even know where to start as far as evidence.
I mean, there's so much evidence starting from the, you know, including the Rockefeller report, the disclosure project, and the people who were involved with that, the former military men, former astronauts.
I mean, things that you've often talked about on your own show.
I don't know if you've ever done anything like this, but wouldn't it be interesting if we could...
What if everyone right now took the next, let's say, minute to send out a message, psychically, if you will, to any extraterrestrials that might be out there in the United States or wherever they may be located, your listeners?
SETI sent one signal from Arecibo, Michael, and then they've never sent one since.
And one of the reasons they've never sent one is the same reason I just cited to you, that many scientists have said it might not be a really bright idea to put a beacon out there and say, here we are, you know.
Ted Turner said, quote, the reason that the World Trade Center got hit is because there are a lot of people living in abject poverty out there who don't have hope for a better life, end quote.
There are many who believe that that which you call a UFO and those that you call alien beings that inhabit them or pilot them are actually evil entities.
I say that there are all kinds of positive and negative forces out there, and you do have to be concerned about that.
But on the other hand, what I'm saying is that considering the situation that we all find ourselves in now, which is totally unique, I think that we have little choice but to try to reach out and to have some kind of contact with what obviously are highly advanced beings and hopefully of the positive variety.
Well, I don't know about the variety, the number of, you know, I don't know about that, but I do think that the majority of the beings out there are positive.
But I also think there could be some absolutely vicious ones out there.
But on the other hand, I think that looking at the overall situation that we find ourselves in, that it would make sense for us to attempt a contact as opposed to just not doing that.
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Anybody who interprets my remark, as a couple past blasters did, to mean that I agree with Ted Turner is out of your mind.
I think that his statement is pure de-lunacy.
The reason the World Trade Center got hit is because there are a lot of people living out there in abject poverty who don't have any hope for a better life.
I didn't know why they did it.
They did it because of a clash of belief systems, and in their belief system, we're all a bunch of barbarians who have to die so that their belief system can spread.
And so I don't agree with this at all.
You've got that impression you're wrong.
Anyway, we've got with us Michael C. Luckman.
We're talking about a new face on Mars.
And yes, this is one you've got to see.
Other Fast Blasters are saying, lead me to it.
I missed what you said.
All right.
Last time I'm going to do this, because you really do have to see this.
So go to my website, artbell.com.
Click on program or hold your cursor over program.
Just simply click on tonight's guest info.
Wednesday night, Thursday morning, Michael C. Luckman's name will appear.
Click on his website, thecosmicmajority.com.
You get that cosmic majority, like moral majority.
And then click on either one of the choices and then click on the red plant.
When you do, go all the way to the bottom.
Read what's there if you wish.
Go all the way to the bottom.
And on the left, at the very bottom, it'll say the new face on Mars.
Click on that and go down and there will be the face.
Now, there's absolutely no doubt about it.
Though the pigmentation has been added for effect.
Otherwise, the photo is unretouched.
And this is a human face.
To me, it's a man's, human face.
Human, man's face.
Very well, very, very well defined.
Now, could this be the product of the hundred monkey syndrome?
You know, look at gazillions of strips dumped on us from NASA?
Yeah, maybe.
Could it be it is indeed a human face?
Could be.
And then one more thing.
A lot of people who are seeing this are seeing a second face.
Lots and lots of Fast Blasters saying there is a second face there.
And I'm not exactly sure that I've seen it yet.
I'm looking.
It's harder to see because you've got to ignore the pigmentation.
What I should do is get this GIF and take the pigmentation out and then look and see if the second face hits me hard, as it has some.
And in quite a few fast blasts saying there is a second face there.
We'll talk about that in a moment.
At any rate, whatever you do, you do really have to get over and see this.
may have very, very, very significant meaning.
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The End Now, we take you back to the night of February 13, 2002, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
It was Mel Gibson, and he was portrayed to be a deeply paranoid character who thought the government and the men in black and so forth were chasing him and affecting his life.
And he was, of course, right.
They were.
So it was justified paranoia.
That's how the movie came out.
But what I mean is, so does that describe the way you feel?
I don't, for example, I mean, the government is a government, but I don't really feel like men in black are chasing me or anything, even coming close to that.
On the other hand, I know that you do certain things or you stand for certain things, and you do have to sometimes bear the consequences.
So I mean, I don't, you know, I'm sure a lot different than that character.
What I'm trying to accomplish with the CosmicMajority.com is to create A vehicle for people that would represent the views of what I consider to be the majority of individuals living on the planet who are pro-UFO,
belief in UFO, belief in life on Mars and elsewhere throughout our solar system and beyond, as well as concern for the sanctity of the environment and continuation of life past death as we know it.
Well, yeah, actually the Roswell thing at this point already is so, I mean, what was the 50th anniversary was about four years ago, so this is four years old now.
That's right.
No, I gave kind of a history of what was going on.
My concern about the Roswell incident is that there have been just so many, as you know, so many witnesses.
I mean, it's in the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and overlapping stories.
And I think by last count, I don't know what, four or five, at least four or five different crash sites and widely varying descriptions.
I don't know that we'll ever get to the truth, frankly, on what happened.
But four years ago at that news conference, I spoke about the preposterous attempt by the Air Force to talk about crash test dummies being dropped as an explanation for what may have been perceived as bodies.
It was a preposterous news conference, no question about it.
I saw it live and I laughed my way through it.
It was awful.
Awful.
Now, that obviously then indicates that you certainly believe that our government is aware that there are things traversing our atmosphere and just outside it that are not human, in craft that are not human construction.
I don't know if it's irrefutable proof, and I'm not even sure what irrefutable proof would be, short of, you know, somebody landing and submitting to examination of craft and body and all the rest of that.
That's irrefutable.
But, you know, photographs, videotape, I don't know.
Well, as you know, I mean, there was an amazing incident that occurred at the end of that tether where instrumentation was changed, and NASA has absolutely no explanation for that at all.
Yes, the tether instrument experiment where they laid out this tether, and they got so much more power than they expected that it literally flash-burned the tether right off the spacecraft.
Well, it was more than that, actually, because there was change in the instrumentation.
NASA put out something like a 375-page report on it, and they had absolutely no explanation for how the instrumentation and several different factors on the instruments had changed, and that wasn't done by us.
So how did that occur?
And it happened at the same point at which there was a swarm of these what Serrata believes is two-mile across circular objects.
So you think that, I mean, to speculate for me, do you think that we were in the process of, in your opinion, discovering something that they did not wish for us to discover?
Do you really think that one way or the other, what happened there in New York, where you are, impacted ufology in any way and the whole extraterrestrial issue in any way at all?
I mean, it impacted, let's face it, it impacted everything to such an extraordinary degree.
However, I do feel that given the unique circumstances that we're living under now, the tremendous instability in the world, that this is a prime, and the ongoing wars, this is a prime time when UFOs, if ever, are going to make a showing.
It's around this period, generally speaking.
Because as you know, it had been seen during the Vietnam War and during World War II, the famous Foo Fighters, etc.
But the fact, of course, the ultimate indication that they, at least in the past, haven't really injected themselves into our reality is the Holocaust and that they didn't intercede in some fashion.
So that always people say, well, what good are they?
Yeah, well, of course, there are other, there are certainly more than, I don't believe that there are 50 or 30 different alien groups surveilling the earth right now, but I do think that there's more than one kind, and not necessarily, I'm not saying all of them are good, but I am saying that if they were in the main negative types, I think we would have seen many, many much more evidence of negative activity.
But then on the other hand, you know, you look at the, if you follow the Sitchin doctrine, then you, at least those extraterrestrials, did have extreme contact with the human race.
Yeah, well, you know, if somebody hears about the Sitchin belief just in those terms as their first introduction to it, it sounds a little off the wall.
Well, Mars, apparently, in regard to the 10th planet, was a way station on the way to the Earth.
But, you know, you look at this particular image of the new face, it doesn't particularly look to me like an Anunnaki or a Nephilim or whatever you want to call it.
Even though they looked a lot like us, in fact, they were us in a sense, but they did have very large, pronounced, you know, large noses and weak chins.
You know, I definitely feel it's there for there are various reasons why the government would put these weapons in space, but I think that definitely UFOs is one of the main reasons.
And I think it's no way to roll out the welcome mat, so to speak.
Well, if they're not, certainly our little toy guns or lasers or whatever we have, and some of it's pretty sophisticated, but still is going to not be very effective against a superior race.
That's not to say that we wouldn't try to put up some defense.
Well, yeah, see, I was about to ask, if we were on the verge of being taken over and enslaved, an entire planet enslaved, indentured to do some lousy work for some aliens, and that was going to be the context of their arrival here, what then, Michael?
You know, I am so used to Sagan's dismissal of sand dunes and the face of Jesus Christ on a tortilla chip, which is how he had dismissed Sidonia for years, that our criteria for, you know, when there's something really down there is pretty stringent.
And the first thing I look for is geometry.
And we have that in abundance at Sidonia.
And when I looked at this site in Syridis Major, what we didn't have was any geometry.
Now there is, as Michael said, there's some other stuff not that far away that's kind of intriguing, but it isn't close Enough to really be related.
It's probably 100 miles away or more.
So I was very, very skeptical.
God, I can't even believe I'm using that term in terms of this space until I heard that Michael was going to be on tonight.
So I went through the long procedure, got to his website, pulled it up on the screen, fortunately, before everybody else did.
And I'm sitting here about three feet back, and I'm listening to you guys talk.
And I suddenly said, oh my God, because I saw a second face.
You go 3,000 miles away to another, quote, work of art on Mars.
And instead of seeing just one image, even though it's a frontal view, you could still dismiss it as tricks of light and shadow, looking at enough area, all that.
But the idea of getting two faces that are right next to each other, that are composite artistic creation, where we have examples here on Earth, in the Mesoamerican tradition.
We have 100,000-year-old examples in Paleolithic art.
In your blurb on your website, why don't you make it then?
Because this is the significance.
One face you can dismiss, but a composite species consistent with the other face at Sidonia relating to somebody tinkering with the human species, doing what Sitchin and others have talked about.
Yeah, no, Tom and I have discussed the second face.
And Tom and I have discussed the second face, and he believes, as apparently you do, that it definitely adds, you know, from a technical standpoint, it definitely adds to the fact that it has to be artificial.
The striking thing about Sidonia was the division of the face.
And the fact that one looks Homo sapien and one looks Simeon, and then you come over here, and as striking, as incredible as your face is, to have this Simeon example next door, now the odds of that one, those have to be pretty high, Michael.
Well, you know, you can come up with a different, you can postulate a number of different points of view on it.
One might be, depending on what they feel, I mean, this thermal imaging camera equipment will be able to tell, of course, the layering and should be able to answer once and for all whether this is an artificial, whether the cydonia face is artificial or not.
I mean, they have been tricks of light and shadow since the very beginning, even stridently, adamantly poo-poo-pooing this whole thing, and now suddenly it's an area of high-pressure.
Well, the public has demanded answers on the Sidonia face has become such a causal web that you could argue both ways, that either they want to put the thing to rest or that perhaps they want to let us in on what they perhaps may already know or highly suspect, that this is the real McCoy and that this is proof positive of a of an ancient civilization
on Mars and and you believe And in turn, accelerating the interest in a manned mission, which is something, of course, that Bush's father had been in favor of all along when he was president.
Incidentally, these pictures could be released as early as mid-March.
Do you think there will be, if you were to guess, Michael, do you think when we get the photographs, there is going to be this incredible, startling admission that maybe there is something to it afterwards?
You know, that's what I'm saying.
And by God, we might be able to justify a Mars mission afterwards.
What he said was that if it said that if it showed that it was artificial, that they might hold back on the release of them for some time, but that if it showed if it was natural, that they would be prone to put it out right away.
Yes, no, but my strong feeling is that this is going to be it, that this is going to, that we're going to know in a short time what the face means and that it's real.
That the original Sidonia face is real, and consequently, by extension, that some of these other unique features, such as these giant pyramids, not only, well, the five-sided pyramid in Sidonia, the giant pyramids twice as tall as what the World Trade Center was in the Elysium section, and of course now in Cervus Major, this face, or this double face.
The implications of this are so staggering for everything that we've believed about ourselves that I would probably tend to agree with Tom that if they do come up with evidence, they are not just going to dump it on us suddenly and say, good Lord, people, here it is.
Look, there was large life on Mars, and it was pre-humanity, or it had something to do with humanity's beginning, and that would throw so much up into the air, that moral majority that even though isn't still by name organized, but they're still out there.
I was the youngest college newspaper editor in the country.
And I do have a knack for uncovering some unique things, such as the, I was the first person to go on record as expressing opposition to the alien autopsy as being flat out that it was a fake.
And I was criticized by some people in the UFO movement as saying that it's jumping to conclusions.
I said, my God, all you have to do is look at the thing.
I mean, what's the debate?
And I had a lot more than just the look of it.
So I'm willing to take chances and go out on a limb if necessary.
But I think we're living in a very unique time.
And I think that perhaps in the relatively short time that we have, I mean, life's relatively short anyway, but in perhaps a more curtailed life, we should try to, at the very least, seek answers to some of these incredible questions that have to do with who we are and where we come from.
I mean, obviously it makes it look I mean, it doesn't in any way change the configuration.
And as a matter of fact, on the CosmicMajority.com website, when you can get it, we had it even my webmaster put in a pulsing effect, so it really came alive.
But no, it was just for purpose of just adding a little dramatic effect.
But if you look at the, I don't know if you've had a chance to look at the black and white version.
Essentially, the video shows the photograph of the new face on Mars, the tunnels, what appear to be giant trees and vegetation, the glass tubes, and what Tom Van Flanden refers to as arranged triangles that are nearly identical to one another.
So it's packed with information.
It's the best, most compelling photographs from 65,000 that came out by Mars Global Surveyor.
Let me very quickly check something on my website just before we jump into the phones here and see if it's already up.
And if it is already up, I'm going to direct you to go see something that's pretty neat, I think.
No, not up yet.
I'm going to read you the email anyway because it's going to be up within about the next 10 minutes, okay?
Just before we get back to Michael.
Richard and Linda in Seattle sent this to me about an hour ago.
Hello, Art.
I don't know if you read your email.
Obviously, I do.
But I thought I would send you this redesigned picture of yours, sort of back to you.
I looked at your website and love the site with your visit to the site where somewhere in time the movie was made.
Yes, I did go there with my soulmate, my wife.
My wife and I also love the movie.
Time traveling is something I find fascinating.
I'd love to go back to Michelangelo and Leonardo's time and just stay there and learn painting from them.
I was surprised your wife is from another country.
That's cool.
When you mentioned that you were in the Air Force and were stationed in Okinawa, that was even more cool as I'm a product of a mixed marriage.
My father was in the Air Force station in Japan in the 50s and married my cute little Japanese mom.
Thus I was born in southern Japan.
Enough about me, Ms. Bell.
Thank you for the program.
My wife found you on the radio a few years back, and we've listened to you on a regular basis since.
Your topics are refreshing years back.
Let me plow through all the nice things they're saying.
Some of your topics stir my artistic imagination and gives me great subject matter to paint, like your wife.
When I saw one particular sight of Ramona standing in that beautiful wine-colored dress in a nice flowing pose, you know, I thought I'd make something mysterious from it and send it to you.
Hope I didn't make you mad by redoing the picture.
If you look at the picture, you created a nicely composed shot.
Thank you.
I did, yes.
With the hotel in the background.
It would make for a great full-size painting in oils, very 19th century.
Well, sir, thank you again for your show.
You're awesome.
What she sent was the most beautiful picture that she did.
And here it is.
It's now on my website at artbell.com.
It's entitled Ramona Somewhere in Time Painting.
And it's awesome.
I mean, this really is awesome work.
You know, it comes from a real photograph that we took at the hotel.
And all she did was a little artistic work with it.
And it really is cool.
That is my wife, Ramona, my soulmate.
And that is the hotel from Somewhere in Time in the background.
And that's exactly, exactly where we took that photograph.
And that's on my website right now.
Really, really cool.
So I want to thank Richard and Linda in Seattle.
And Ramona will be waking up shortly.
She's taking a nap.
When she wakes up, I'm sure she's going to be very complimented.
It's a beautiful picture.
And she has very long hair, as you can see, and that's caught very well in this as well.
Really cool.
On my website right now at artbell.com, first item under what's new.
You might let me know what you think.
But that's a real photograph, a little artistic interpretation.
Really, really cool.
So we just slammed that right up on the site just this minute.
All right, back now to Michael C. Luckman.
And Michael, if you're ready, I've got the public ready for you.
I have mostly a comment, and it was on the speculation that if there were evidence to present or evidence were presented about some of these theories about human origins, that it might throw the Christians and conservative peoples into a tailspin.
And I would have to disagree with that.
I am a Christian, and I don't disbelieve any of the experiences that people have had or any of the things that show that there may be something out there.
I'm not convinced what it is one way or the other, if it's actual extraterrestrial life, if it's spiritual beings, if it's a government thing.
I really don't know.
I am a very curious person by nature, and I also happen to be very conservative, but I think that it would not affect, I don't think that it would put doubt in the minds of Christians about human origin so much as it would just give people something else to argue about, similar to the way the theory of evolution did.
I also think that maybe some of the reluctance on the part of Christians to delve into this too much could be stemming from the fact that we are physical beings living in the physical world, and we have very little understanding of the spiritual side of our existence.
And because the Bible cautions us against communicating with the spirits, communicating with the dead, and that sort of thing, that people are afraid that they may be crossing a boundary that God has set for them.
Yeah, well, you know, I mean, there are all degrees of belief, religious belief.
And, for example, Father Balducci of the Vatican has come down, you know, very much on the side of Zachariah Sitchin, very open to the concept of the beings coming down here, perhaps from the Tenth Planet.
Yeah, I think what's going to happen is I really think that what's going to happen is as things continue to decline, unfortunately, I hate to say that, but I think that that's really the picture, as things continue to decline environmentally and as this war thing continues to grind on and apparently expand and, you know, who knows where it's going, but this is going to be perhaps for our entire lifetime, unfortunately, as the government has stated.
I think that there probably will be more UFO activity on a more pronounced basis.
And I do feel that there will be a choosing up of sides, if you will, of people who feel, as I do, that these beings represented by UFOs or traveling in UFOs are positive or at the very least neutral in the main, and others who feel that they're negative entities and should be stayed away from it at all costs.
Well, as opposed to the tunnels that were on Mars and based thereafter, I know it's an understanding of fiction, therefore non-fiction, but there's a lot of information behind that book that would deal with a lot to our first mission to the moon and some of its representatives talking there.
I don't want to get into that.
It's personal.
By the way, this is Earl, and I'm listening to you on KFH in Wichita.
But it may be, as I said earlier, that Earth represents a rather prime hunk of real estate, but they really can't interfere, nor do they necessarily need to feel a need to interfere because we're constantly on the verge of destroying ourselves and leaving the real estate available.
I mean, how come the aliens aren't coming around, circulating around where they're?
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Well, I mean, you had said that there is a possibility that someone didn't want us to learn something.
And I thought, well, you know, that could be so, because if these nine sets of tethered satellites have been flying since 1990 and nothing's messed With them, the tethers aren't used for any type of experimentation that people know of if they are tethered.
They're just simply used to hold them in formation.
And I've actually seen some of these flying, and they hold pretty good formation.
That was one thing.
Another thing I wanted to ask you was: I was looking back through one of my old issues of Astronomy Magazine, and I ran across a NASA photo from Apollo 15 panoramic camera of the moon, and on the Aristarchus Plateau is a very anomalous feature that has a striking resemblance to the Sidonia face.
But if you can get somebody with a scanner, get it scanned and just fire it over at the same time.
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Okay, I'll see what I can do.
And something else I want to get you, when you start accepting snail mail, I've got some stuff from NASA that I'd like to send you straight from the Vomit Comet.
In other words, that Mars and Earth were once one.
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The mass of the area missing on Earth, if you account for continental drift and other things, appears to be about one-third of the mass of the Earth, which is about the size of Mars.
Do you think contrails have anything to do with Star Wars in terms of electromagnetic fields with metallic particles in the atmosphere acting as a possible plasma attractor?
Yeah, I mean, seeing that it would appear that it's related to the environmental problems and trying to stave off some of those environmental problems.
Yeah, I can tell you that New York, I mean, I have the skies have been absolutely covered at times with what looks like giant chalk markings of chemtrails all over the world.
I'll tell you, I was standing, I live in the village of Manhattan, and I was standing on the street, and a friend of mine who happens to listen to your show regularly was telling me about it when they first started appear.
And he said, look up, describe the, you know, showed me this cloud.
We'll get the rest of the story after the bottom of the ass.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 13th, 2002.
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Yeah, well, once we can get our website back out, apparently everyone's been trying to get through.
And if you would go to cosmicmajority.com or you could send us an email at Nebula NEB, I'm sorry, NEBULA2002 at AOL.com, and we'll be happy to give you membership information.
Yes, actually, a lot of UFO interest, originally in the West and the Southwest, interestingly, has moved a lot of reports in the Midwest and the East Coast now in the last, I don't know, two years maybe.
Suddenly, it's moved east.
Really weird.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Michael C. Luckman.
But that, on the other hand, I let go because that is JC and that you were hearing, no matter who was playing him to us, and that is that man's opinion of what we do here and where it's going to lead.
Well, this plane came out, suddenly shot out of the cloud as we were talking about the cloud, whether it was a real or fake cloud, and it went back in and actually filled in the missing area, the open area in the cloud.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael C. Luckman.
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Yes, sir.
If you assume that 10 billion years ago that people want to live in interstellar space, about 10 billion per galaxy, there must be an awful lot of dark matter out there, and these UFOs are their reconnaissance missions.
And they more likely have charts that show us as still being aboriginal savages that eat one another.
They'd be afraid to land in certain places.
And they're more likely replenishing some of the things they can't continuously recycle, like oxygen from our atmosphere.
I read a very interesting article the other day about a scientist are saying now that one of the first space probes we sent out, which is now beginning to get into really deep space outside the galaxy, is some mysterious unknown force is actually slowing it down significantly.
I mean, you know, sort of like the satellite, or the space probe, I guess it's more accurately called, is running into some kind of slow but sure barrier out there.
So there's a lot of strange things that we don't know about.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael C. Luckman.
I was wondering if your guest would be open to the possibility that those monuments and everything are put there, not by us or by aliens, but by immortals.
So you see, Michael, as you listen to the variety of callers that we packed into an hour here, not even an hour yet, a fairly representative portion of them have obviously been of the religious right.
Now, that's why I contend that Dr. Van Flandren is absolutely right.
And if we come back with evidence, irrefutable evidence, that would suggest things that would upset the status quo, that we are very, very, very unlikely to hear about it right away.
But I think what we will hear about it, and I think that, you know, while it might be very upsetting to some people, the fact of the matter is that a lot of people, like you and I, hopefully, would welcome this and would be very excited about it.
Yeah, it'd be interesting to see when Dr. Van Flandren begins looking at the second phase, which you say he's already seen, and then begins to do some of the mathematical calculations comparing the two, you know, the Sidonia image and what you have found.
Or actually, you gave credit to somebody else at the beginning.
I just wanted to say, and I'd like to hear what your guest has to say about this.
I am a Christian, and I have an interesting theory from a Christian's perspective that if there was an ancient civilization on Mars, I have a theory to why it no longer exists.
Well, if you're familiar with the genealogy in the Bible of Genesis about Noah and the flood, there's a possibility that God could have created two human races, one on Earth and one on Mars.
And what happened was that later on, man fell into sin and became unfaithful to God.
And the difference between Mars and Earth is that on Earth, only eight people were still faithful to God, and that was Noah and his family.
But on Mars, and this is the difference, there was nobody left who was faithful to God, so God wiped them out.
And if there's a distinct possibility that there were beings that had a civilization on Mars that was way advanced from Mars and decided that they had to leave their particular planet for whatever reason.
If time travel is ever going to be a reality, and I believe that it will be, in fact, we're getting closer and closer with quantum entanglement and quantum computers and all the rest of it.
If it's ever going to happen, and I believe it's likely that someday it will, and it is possible, then they would either be here now or have flitted through from time to time.
Again, I'm going to say, though, if you look back on this hour at the calls that have come in, I would say, go back and say, hey, Tom, you know, I was on with Art Bell, and you should have heard the last hour, Tom.