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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 29th, 2002.
unidentified		From High Desert and the great American Southwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to all.
unidentified		Good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		Good afternoon, wherever you may be in all 24 time zones covered by this radio program, which is coast to coast and should be called coast to coast to coast AM.
		Here we are in the middle of the night, as usual.
		This is kind of cool.
		Now, as you know, I keep you informed as the ratings coming in.
		These are Arbitron ratings.
		And kind of an interesting situation occurred in Nashville, Tennessee, where we were on WWTM, and we switched over to WLAC in Nashville, a 50,000-watt giant blowtorch in Nashville.
		And we just got the ratings for Nashville because that, you know, this encompasses that change.
		And this is fairly amazing, actually.
		12 plus, that means all persons 12 years old or older.
		We went from market position number 12 to market position number 1 in one book, boom.
		And that would represent, we got to check this out for those of you who know about such things.
		We went from a, they had a 2.2 share.
		And then when our show came on, it rose to a 16.5 share, a 16.5 share, a 715% increase.
		That may be right on up there with the biggest gains ever seen in history.
		I mean, they can happen in smaller cities and towns, but something that's nice in Nashville, plus the fact that there we are, number one.
		2,554 from number 10 in the market to number one, a 333.3% increase.
		So it is interesting that in Music City, you know, which is, I mean, when you go to Nashville, and I've been there, you know, the cabbies sing country music.
		Everybody sings in Nashville.
		And somehow, in this overnight slot, WLAC has gone straight up to number one, and that's past all the other AM and FM, even country stations.
		And that's almost impossible.
		But there it is.
		So, let's see.
		News.
		The President, in his first State of the Union address, promises to eradicate terrorists and the terrorist economy, our recession.
		He's got very high approval ratings for what he has done thus far.
		He also warned of an axis of evil of nations like North Korea, Iran, Iraq, and said the U.S. would not allow them to threaten the world with weapons of mass destruction.
unidentified		Now, their words carry some power, folks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These booths were made for walking, and we're allowed to go walking all over their mass destructive capability.
		That's probably going to be one of the next wars that we're going to have.
		Well, it's all the same war, really.
		But if you interpret those remarks the way I'm sure they're meant to be, it's like, you guys are next, buddy.
		That would be North Korea, Iran, and Iraq.
unidentified		Bum shelter time, folks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		House Minority Leader Dick Gevhard expressed steadfast support for the president's war on terrorism, outlined a Democratic agenda that differs with the Republicans somewhat on how to recover from our economic woes.
		It was pretty woeful on Wall Street.
		We'll get to that today.
		In fact, here now.
		247.51 points down the Dow.
		NASDAQ, 50.95.
		Well, it's like you can hear him scream, can't you?
		Enron Corporation acknowledging on Tuesday that it just might have failed to disclose to Congress about half the money the energy company spent on Lotting Son of a gun.
		Half the money.
		Now, it's hard to forget that kind of money.
		That had total at least $1.6 million for the first part of last year.
		Serious money.
		They may have forgotten to tell about Congress to about half that, so.
		Or representing that much money.
		My, my, my, my.
		A man demanding $50,000, claiming to have a gun, took nine employees hostage in a suburban L.A. bank on Tuesday.
		All escaped before the suspect surrendered and is believed to be in his 30s.
		Walked into a bank branch, told employees he was armed, demanded the money.
		Governor Jeff Bush's 24-year-old daughter arrested at a pharmacy drive-through window Tuesday on charges of trying to buy the anti-anxiety drugs Annex with a fraudulent prescription.
		That's Noel Bush.
		Mike Tyson, out of it.
		He was denied a boxing license Tuesday by the Nevada Athletic Commission.
		Over the hill from me here means Tyson cannot challenge WBCIBF heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis.
		So that one's off.
		Here's one now that's kind of interesting.
		Are you ready to duck?
		A 7,000-pound satellite is to fall to Earth sometime or another this week.
		Though NASA says probably, probably now, keyword, will not hit any populated areas.
		That's a 7,000-pound satellite.
		Now, only a few pieces of metal are expected to hit Earth, but they're pretty good pieces.
		It's the Extreme Ultraviolet Explorer, and it has explored.
		It is now on its way home, and it is falling at about 15 miles a day, a rate of about 15 miles a day, from an orbit about 124 miles out.
		And of course, you know, they try to say soothing things, but they have no idea where it's going to be actually coming down.
		In fact, the re-entry point is expected to be determined about 12 hours prior to the final fall, which means as of right now, they have no idea where it's going to go.
		I think they make these predictions based on the probability, since what is it, two-thirds of our world or something is water right, the odds of it actually hitting the water are pretty good.
unidentified		But only pretty good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The odds of it hitting something else are at least substantial, and they don't talk that part out.
		Let's see, as NASA engineers say it was possible that up to nine stainless steel and titanium pieces, ah, that's an interesting metal weighing up to 100 pounds, will in fact reach the Earth's surface.
		So what can I tell you?
		Here's a pretty interesting piece of news.
		You're not going to believe this.
		The prolific king of horror, Stephen King, said that he may be hanging it up.
		There was an interview in Sunday's LA Times.
		He said after he publishes five more books, two of which already are scheduled for 2002, including a collection of short stories as well as work on a limited series for ABC, he's ending his career in publishing.
		Then that's it, he said.
		I'm done.
		Done writing books.
		Why?
		They asked.
		Well, you get to a point where you get to the edge of a room and you can go back and go where you've been and basically recycle stuff, he said, referring to the novel from a Buick 8 scheduled for release in the fall.
		He noted, I've seen it in my own work.
		People, when they read Buick 8, are going to think, Christine, it's about a car that's not normal.
		He added, you can either go out on top, top of my game, or not.
		So he says he will leave it.
		But I don't think so.
		Nevertheless, based on the even slim possibility that Stephen King might not write anymore, perhaps my network would be willing to go to work on trying to get Mr. King on the air.
		I would very much like to interview Stephen King.
		I wonder if he would be interested in doing a long forum interview.
		That's what we do here, long forum interviews.
		They're very different, very much more fun for the people being interviewed because you're not reduced to sound bites as you are on TV.
		Even the very best of television, and that's Larry King, you know, in a full hour, you get some substance out on Larry King.
		Otherwise, television is a wash.
		You just, you know...
		But here on radio, where we really have the time to get down and find out what somebody's all about, where you really get a feel for the person, I'd love to interview Stephen King if he's really...
		I predict that.
		He might give it up, say, I quit, that's it, and go away for a while.
		But then he'll start thinking.
		And before you know it, he'll think of some new horror diddy that he can write that becomes day by day by day more irresistible.
		And every time he passes a computer with a word processor, a typewriter, however he does it, you know, he'll be drawn to it.
		It'll be stronger and stronger.
		And eventually we'll have a Stephen King back, I would predict.
		But you never know.
		I mean, some people do that and just they're gone.
		Again, reminding you, if you didn't hear it last night, a representative, Dennis Kucinich, has rewritten H.R. 2977, which originally called for the end to chemtrails, particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasmas, extreme low frequency, energy, mind control technologies, and all of that has now been written out of the bill.
		You can check it out.
		I think we've got a link on the website that will tell you all about it.
		At any rate, that's it.
		He's changed his entire bill as far as we are concerned.
		The things that interested us, which we were so amazed at, they're all gone.
		I wonder if the representative, and now he's probably not going to want to do the interview, right?
		We're going to interview him here.
		I bet he won't do it now.
		Because we'd have to ask questions like, who came to visit you, Representative?
		How come you put it in in the first place?
		And Representative, if you put it in in the first place, it must have been because you were concerned about these things.
		You'd have heard of them, obviously, or we would not have put them in your bill.
		What political pressure or government pressure caused you to remove all of them?
		I mean, questions like that.
		Now, of course, if he's willing to answer questions like that, I'm certainly in a mood to ask them.
		More in a moment.
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		Looking for the truth?
		You'll find it on Coast2Coast AM with George Norrie.
		What's happening out there?
		I sense it, people sense it, they call the program, there's something going on.
		I can't put my finger on it, but I feel it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about you?
unidentified		It is not our imagination, and the best minds of our time are telling us in no uncertain terms that we are living the greatest number of crises ever to face humankind.
		And they're telling us, George, that we've got to act, or not much else is going to make any difference.
		Now we take you back to the night of January 29th, 2002, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Music
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, this is just great.
		This is from the United Kingdom, BBC News Online.
		Do you remember we started to have a problem with frogs here in the U.S.?
		Remember that?
		Scientists say now, they are now certain that the disease which has killed millions of British frogs is caused by some kind of virus.
		The disease, which began in southeast England, has crossed the Scottish border hundreds of kilometers to the north.
		The animals' paws and feet drop off and they die a protracted, painful death.
		But money to research the outbreak and possible remedies has now run out.
		Aye, aye, aye.
		It's described as a living death.
		The animals take a considerable time to die, and there are some indications their numbers are permanently depressed in some areas.
		The ends of their limb extremities, their hands and feet drop off.
		They hemorrhage, sores, open sores develop.
		They get thin and emasculated, and they die.
		BBC Wildlife magazine published the research showing that some sort of virus is, they believe, responsible.
		So you just don't get to get a lot of news about what's going on in Europe here in the U.S., especially since 911 and all the rest of it.
		You just don't get to hear this unless you listen to the BBC, not a bad idea, as well as other foreign broadcasts, or you listen to this program because I try and get as much of what seems relevant on the air as I can.
		In the next hour, Mel Waters is going to be here.
		That's right, Mel Waters, Mel's Hole.
		Because we rebroadcast some time ago, a couple of weeks ago, the show with Mel, it regenerated.
		It just went nuts.
		You know, the amount of response around here went berserk about Mel's Hole all over again, and he got hold of it.
		He got hold of the fact, I guess he was out driving somewhere, heard us doing the program, and got hold of the network, and incredibly, unbelievably, impossibly, some might suggest, one man appears to have discovered two endless holes.
		He says he's found another endless hole with some really weird properties.
		Now, you've got to ask yourself, what are the odds of any one guy finding two bottomless pits?
		And normally I would say there's zero.
		However, once you have found and have become famous for finding one, it's entirely possible that somebody would lead you to another if it existed.
		Now, that would appear to be what's happened here.
		In other words, I don't think he personally found it.
		But being the whole guy, you know, they would come to you if they had a hole.
		Here is an item that alleges to have been on eBay.
		In fact, I have the item number here back in September.
		It was item 1641798199, if it's real.
		And basically, it was called I Will Kick Your Ass.
unidentified		Now, listen to this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Winning bid receives an ass kicking from me personally.
		I'm six feet, weigh over 230 pounds.
		If you win this auction, I will personally come to your house and kick your ass.
		I guarantee I will not break any bones or kill you, nor will I use any weapons on you, but I will give you a good beating.
		And I will do this under two conditions.
		One, you or anyone else does not press charges against me.
		After all, you bought the ass kicking.
		Two, you do not fight back or attempt to physically harm me in any other manner.
		This is your ass getting kicked, not mine.
		Meyer provides round-trip plane ticket to the nearest airport as well as cab fare to your house and back.
		Now, if you're not close to the airport, you may provide me with a train ticket or other means of transportation.
		Do not pick me up, as I will be attacking you completely randomly.
		Meyer must also provide good clear directions to their house, as well as any business expenses.
		If I need to stay in a hotel or buy food for myself during the trip, most likely I'll just fly in, kick your ass, and leave.
		Upon arrival, I will select a random time to come over and kick your ass.
		It may be when you are sleeping or showering, or any other time during the day or night when you are most vulnerable.
		During this beating, I may damage one or more of your household items.
		If I have to break glass to get into your...
		This should be expected by you and covered by my expenses.
		If you are married or have children, I may choose to slap around your family a little, but only if I'm feeling particularly generous.
		They should be informed of this and expect it as well.
		Bidding starts at one cent, but remember the winner must pay all expenses for my travel if they wish for me to come and kick your ass.
		I will accept check or money order, or you could just let me use your valid credit card for a few days and we'll call it even.
		So this is a real ad.
		It alleges, I mean, it's got all the normal stuff up here in eBay.
		So it was probably on there back in September.
		Now, I know when eBay finds this kind of thing, as well as there were people up there selling their souls, you know, on eBay.
		And eBay also clamped down on that one as well.
		They should have.
		But you know what really bothers me about this offer?
		It's that I bet you there are people out there who took him up on it.
		God knows where the bidding went.
		Or maybe eBay got this stopped before the bidding could really get underway.
		But trust me, it's a strange world we live in.
		Hey, it snowed here in Perrum today.
		Strange world we live in.
		That's right, here in the desert near Death Valley, it snowed.
		Strange, strange people out there.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 29th, 2002.
		Everybody is looking for something.
		Some of them want to use you.
		Some of them want to get used by you.
		Some of them want to abuse you.
		Some of them want to be of you.
		Some of them want to be of you.
		Sweet dreams are made of these.
		Where the minds do the dreams.
		Travel the world and several feet.
		Everybody will be able to make a little bit of a double-door.
		Come on baby, baby take my hand, will the end of the fly, baby I'm your man.
		La la la la la, la la la la la, la la la la la, la la la la la la.
		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 29th, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, looking further at this eBay, alleged eBay thing, the bidding had gone to $1.75.
		Now, it began at one cent.
		That means several people, or at least one, have bid on this item to get their butt-kicked.
		You think I'm getting...
		Keith put the...
		How do you see it?
		You go to my website, arfell.com, if you really want to.
		Go to program tonight's guest info where it will tell you about Mel Waters, and it says, news item.
		I will kick your ass.
		And by gosh, there's the link to this thing.
		So you can see I wasn't kidding you.
		All right, in a moment, open lines directly ahead.
unidentified		All right.
		Now we take you back to the night of January 29th, 2002, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		All right, now out into the night of the unknown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How you doing, Tom?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just Spiffy, sir.
unidentified		From Boston, Joe, WRKO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Joe.
unidentified		Two questions on Area 51.
		I mentioned this because you had Kuhnstone and you mentioned Nellis and you wouldn't get into something.
		But will you play the Jimmy Joe tape again?
		And I asked that because I think that Hutchinson may have had dealings with the government with Area 51.
		They took all his stuff at Hutchinson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he does claim, but he doesn't.
		He didn't.
		I asked him about that last night, twice, in fact.
		And he didn't really seem to want to go into the Area 51 part.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
		How does one write to him without a computer?
		You forget some of us don't have computers, and I hate them because they don't work right, especially when you're in the middle of the morning.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What you do is you...
		He gave out his email address.
		I thought a very gutsy thing to do.
		When you give out your email address, believe me, on this program, that has meaning.
		And you're going to be busy for a while.
		Maybe even a year.
		So just find anybody who's got a computer.
		They're awfully prolific now.
		In fact, you can see the world turning.
		And by that, I mean businesses now are finding up to a quarter or even a third of their business is coming to them by the internet.
		That's right.
		From a quarter to a third of a lot of businesses are done, and some are done exclusively on the internet.
		So you gotta wonder what's gonna happen to the mall, huh, when everybody finally gets to the point where they can just do all their shopping from their chair.
		And it's pretty close right now.
		How's that going to impact all the malls across America, Canada?
		Hmm?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Art, this is Thomas in Mace, Arizona, 550 KFYI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Well, I've been trying to monitor your program for the Mel Waters Marvelous Magical Mystery Holes.
		Yes.
		Interesting topic, and I wonder if they haven't had a formal volunteer.
		I'd like to volunteer myself instead of the poor cat to be lowered down the hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the cat down the hole.
unidentified		Don't pick on the poor cat, because we always have the advantage of putting poor Kitty in a carrier, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why, sir, would you volunteer to be lowered into an apparently endless hole with weird properties?
unidentified		What more noble a donation I can make for my life than to advance the cause of my knowledge of my species?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what if you just don't ever come back?
unidentified		Then I'll be in the history books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's how.
unidentified		I'll be one of your missing entities.
unidentified		Maybe a shadow person myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be satisfying enough for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, how old are you now?
unidentified		I'm 38.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		38.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not even to your prime yet.
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you would be willing to disappear down a hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could have a legacy of someone who disappeared down a hole.
unidentified		It would certainly be an adventure now, wouldn't it?
unidentified		Like Alice in Wonderland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		Maybe.
		All right, sir.
		You're crazy, but I appreciate your call.
unidentified		Of course I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Goodbye.
unidentified		Goodbye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would anybody volunteer to do that?
		I mean, really.
		You can't be serious.
		First time call our line.
		You're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello.
		This is Donald.
		I listen to WPPX in Atlanta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Atlanta, yes, sir.
unidentified		Um.
unidentified		I was calling because a while back you had, you were talking about entities and shadow people and stuff like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, constantly.
unidentified		Uh, whenever I was young, about eight years old, maybe a little bit younger, I had uh, I would say, a good shadow person.
unidentified		They weren't black like a lot of people describe them, but it was like a radiant white.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A good shadow person.
unidentified		Well, I would say that because I don't know what else to call call it besides maybe a guardian angel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it it, okay.
		Well, it doesn't sound like a shadow person.
		It sounds like a guardian angel.
unidentified		And uh, whenever I was eight, it told me that uh I don't need to worry that it was there to protect me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's guardian angel talk right there.
unidentified		And since then, I've been in like four car wrecks, and when I was young, I fell out of probably a three-story tree, and I didn't hit a single branch on the way down, and I got up without a scratch on me.
unidentified		And in all my car wrecks, I have never had a scratch on me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not even a scratch?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How serious were the wrecks?
unidentified		One wreck, I hit a tree going about 40 miles an hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		Another wreck, me and my brother and my two sisters were in the car.
		We went over onto the other side of the road.
		We jumped completely over, over about a five-foot fence.
		Yes.
		Two and a half revolutions in the air.
		Yes.
		The car was upside down on a cement slab.
		Oh, my God, you should be dead.
		Facing the other direction, and we all come out without a scratch.
		And my dad is a firefighter, and he has a lot of friends that are firefighters that have come and look at the wreck that said people actually were alive afterwards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then there are a number of ways you could look at your entity.
		Without your entity, you would have been dead long ago.
		Or your entity is having a good old time with you.
		And or, did you see the movie Unbreakable?
unidentified		Yes, I did.
		Have you considered that?
		I don't think so, because I do have one scar from whenever I had a glass jar dropped off a shelf and hit the side of my face, and I have just that one scar.
		That's the only scar in my body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In that case, I wouldn't challenge fate.
		All right, well, that's very interesting.
		But it's not, I don't think that's a shadow person.
		Shadow people, by their very nature, are not light beings.
		They are described as dark, in fact, almost black, indiscernible from black, and come in various sizes, shapes, and forms, but never as beings of light.
		So I think that's perhaps a guardian angel, although a question worth asking would be, with all of these accidents, one after another after another, that should have been fatal, if your guardian angel was really on the ball, why didn't your guardian angel stop those in the first place instead of just allowing you to come out of all of them without even a scratch?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		How are you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is Dave from the Cleveland area.
		Yes, Dave.
		Well, unlike a couple callers ago, I choose not to be lowered in that hole.
		But anyways, I was calling to find out if you've heard any other additional information on Mel's hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you'll just wait 15 minutes, Mel Waters, or 20 minutes, Mel Waters will be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so not only will we find out about Mel's hole, but we'll find out about this new incredible hole that he has been led to.
unidentified		Well, that sounds good, because the last time I caught anything, it was just on the best of our belt when you were probably out of town or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And it was an awesome story, and I couldn't wait to hear some more about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the more part comes tonight.
unidentified		That sounds good.
unidentified		Appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
		Take care.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, hello, hello.
		No, guess not.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, hi.
unidentified		Calling from KRRM, Cream of Country, 94.7.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where is that?
unidentified		Grants Pass, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Grants Pass.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm a Bigfoot field researcher with the Southern Oregon Bigfoot Society.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you are?
unidentified		Yes, and I emailed you a while back, but apparently it fell through the cracks.
unidentified		But this research area that we've been working in, we found several families of Bigfoot in this area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have?
unidentified		As a matter of fact, we've been baiting them for the last year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean, baiting?
unidentified		With different foods like fruits and vegetables.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do they seem to like?
unidentified		Well they like canned meats like corned beef and also with the can not open right?
		No we we open the cans quarters of the way.
		We have had them peel bananas and eat the bananas and leave the peelings on the ground.
		I've got hand cast lots of foot cast our organization's been going for about a year.
		Wait, wait.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can you know, I mean if you come back to where you put bananas and you find peels, how can you know it was Bigfoot that you say you have casts?
unidentified		Yes, we have two hand casts that we've got this year.
unidentified		Also we have several different foot casts and all this is available on our website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well I can't let you give it.
		I have a rule about that because one time somebody gave out a porn site.
		If you will email it to me, I will screen it and we'll get it up.
		Now, how big are the hand prints and the footprints?
unidentified		Well, see, the hand print, we actually, what we've been doing is raking the area in a circle.
		Right.
		And they try to stay away from the raked area.
		And one actually reached over, put its hand down next to the edge of the raked area, and we were able to get that impression.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, got that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How big a hand is it compared to?
unidentified		It's twice the size of a normal human hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Twice the size.
unidentified		Also, the foot cast we have, we have 15-inch long casts all the way up to 21 inches.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To 21 inches?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God, that's a big foot.
unidentified		We've also had some screens in the area.
		That's a gigantic foot.
		They're very big animals.
		We had a sighting on August 20th up here in the southern Oregon area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How close?
unidentified		During one of our expeditions.
		It was about 50 feet.
		Myself as well as another individual that was in our party.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have pictures?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're very Well, this is 11.30 at night.
unidentified		We all spread out and we blast sounds out in the canyons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trying to drive Bigfoot one way and the other?
unidentified		Well, try to bring him to us.
		We've smelled all the smells, and the evidence that we have collected is unreal.
		Most research teams, you know, 10 or 20 years to get the evidence that we've gotten in one year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		pretty impressive what are you going to uh...
		make a Okay.
		How's that?
		Now, just out of curiosity, if you come right up against Bigfoot, I mean, meet Bigfoot face to face or whatever it is that Bigfoot has, what will you do?
unidentified		Well, we don't want to hurt the animal because that would be detrimental to their species, especially since we don't have enough evidence to know how many of them that we've had, you know, that are in this area.
unidentified		We did have a Forest Service ranger had seen a female up on the tower that he works at right in this area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		And there's multiple sightings in this area.
		There are some homes about 10 miles down below.
		They're very shy of humans.
		I believe that they can smell like gunpowder for guns and items like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, in the subject header of the email that you send me, because I get a lot of emails, sir, put something like Bigfoot Researcher or something like that.
unidentified		I'll put Southern Oregon Bigfoot Society.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good, that's fine.
		All right?
		All right, thank you.
		Thank you, and I'll look forward to seeing that.
		A size 21 foot.
		A size 21 foot.
		Now, you think about what's going to be attached to that, and I don't know that you want a face to whatever meeting.
		You just might not.
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		How are you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
unidentified		This is Leo from Sheridan, Illinois.
unidentified		WLS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She's mighty WLS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, I'll tell you, we've got some strange things in the woods out there.
		Have you ever heard of any watchers?
		We call them watchers.
		It's something my kids and my wife, they're kind of astute to the psychic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm certainly familiar with the term watchers.
		Let's hear how you apply it.
		What do you call a watcher?
unidentified		Oh, something that we feel is, we live in a very dense area along the Fox River, and there's something that feels like it's just staring at you at times, and there's other times it just seems to be really calm.
unidentified		I just stepped outside here right now, and I'm looking out in the woods, and I just heard a very strange animal that I've never heard before in my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just now?
unidentified		Yeah.
		It was about 10 minutes ago, and you never hear any footsteps.
		one time we heard a baby crying in the woods and I mean we're Yes, it sounded like a baby to us.
		And it was kind of very strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, wouldn't that make you go and investigate, get a light, and try to find a human baby?
unidentified		Yes, I have a spotlight off an old squad car.
		And I usually shine it out that way, but you never see anything.
		I use my night vision.
		I'm a little leery about walking out in the woods because the coyotes and there's been bobcats spotted in the woods out here since I was a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right.
		Right, we've got them, too.
		And it's just kind of creepy out.
unidentified		It's kind of creepy, but, you know, it's really enjoyable where we live because it's very secluded.
unidentified		And, you know, as far as mouthful goes...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but if something's out there eating human babies, I mean...
unidentified		It's a baby crying, and it sounds like it's moving through the woods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it couldn't be really happy at that time of night, crawling along on all fours in the woods.
unidentified		Well, it's not a baby.
unidentified		You know, there's not going to be a baby this deep in the woods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hope not.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, anyway, Mel's Hole, you were saying something?
unidentified		Yeah, I'd go down it.
unidentified		I wouldn't have no problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would go down, too.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		I'm all busted up from work-related injury that happened in May, and I can't work anymore.
		Take out a life insurance policy for a half a mill or so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, which life insurance now, when you write your application for insurance, you know?
		Yeah.
		They're going to be wanting to know what you're going to be wanting to be insured for.
		And you're going to be writing, I will be lowered into a reportedly endless hole.
		Now, who do you think is going to write that one?
unidentified		Oh, Lloyd DeLondon would.
		They insure everything.
		If they insure legs for some of the actresses and arms and eyes and everything else for models, why wouldn't they insist?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what if the odds were pretty good that you would never come back?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would either be in an entirely new place Or dead as a doornail.
unidentified		Well, I'd leave a rich widow.
		You know, it's not really that concerned.
		You know, that doesn't concern me so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how old are you?
		43.
		It's a little early, like the last guy.
unidentified		I know, but the future doesn't look too good for my legs and stuff.
unidentified		And, you know, I'm kind of concerned that I'd be more interested in taking care of my wife and my grandchildren that I'm supporting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think you're both crazy as loons, but okay, as you would have it.
		Life is always precious, no matter what state you're in, pretty much.
		There may be an extreme there to be talked about, but I mean, people who have most of their faculties and their brain intact and the ability to move about, which you would have, legs or not, troubling legs or not.
		It's a little early to give it all up, to be lowered into an endless hole, and I don't think Lloyd's, well, they might.
		Walcart Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		I'm a second-time caller.
		And I was listening to your show one night last week when they were talking about the animal mutilations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, animals?
unidentified		Yeah, on animals mutilations.
unidentified		And someone said that they thought your guest thought it was maybe the government cutting out parts of the animals to analyze for certain trace whatever elements.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is one theory that they're being taken out here out west to determine the effects of nuclear testing or some people think environmental degradation is measured by cutting up cows and testing stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's a lot of theories.
unidentified		Yeah, but then I wondered if we couldn't ask your listeners if there's a higher incidence of certain types of illnesses that would reflect those type of chemicals or contaminants.
		That was just an idea that I had.
		Well, there are studies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, all right.
		Well, thank you.
		There are a million studies about new emerging diseases and problems with both animals and people.
		And that's why there is so much speculation that these mutilations might be some sort of environmental testing to see what is out there or what is changing or what effects have occurred on those exposed to God knows what.
		East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hey, I'm in Fort Myers, Florida.
		I've called you before, but I'm a security officer down here.
		Yes.
		And we have a vanishing vagrant in the area.
		It's strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A vanishing vagrant?
unidentified		Yeah, I would call the police and report that there was a vagrant on the street, but the guy would just disappear.
		Well, the police couldn't find him.
		They searched.
		And I was writing it in my log night after night, the same guy, same clothes, an elderly-looking man.
		He just appears out of nowhere, and then he's gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would be very careful about calling the police on anybody with the ability to disappear.
unidentified		Yeah, well, this guy, though, finally a resident was out here, and he witnessed it, too.
		He couldn't believe it.
		You know, I mean, so anyway, I'm going to try to get this guy if he ever comes around again and let him call you because I asked him in front of the resident, you know, as a witness.
		I said, you know, where do you go?
		How do you disappear like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what do you say?
unidentified		He told me he doesn't disappear.
		He vanishes.
		So now I call him a vanishing vagrant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He claims he vanishes.
unidentified		He does.
unidentified		I mean, even the witness value.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you actually with your eyes on him, on his physical being, seen him?
unidentified		Yes, and the night that the one resident...
unidentified		Yes, and he did too, and he couldn't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So now you've got another witness backing up your story.
unidentified		Yes, thank God, because I've been logging about this guy for like a month.
unidentified		He's bothering the police.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, if he can vanish, then I want to talk to him, so you get him to me.
		All right, you get him to me, dear.
		I've got to go.
unidentified		Just in on the sea of hot breeze.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nell Waters coming up.
unidentified		Trying to keep myself ashore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nell's home.
unidentified		For so long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now a new one.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 29th, 2002.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nell Waters has appeared on Coast to Coast and several times over the years now.
		Many may remember his accounts of the mysterious hole on his property in central Washington, which appeared to Have no bottom.
		The hole was, by Mel's account, measured to a depth of 80,000 feet utilizing fishing line and a weight.
		Since Mel's first appearance on the show, many strange, fascinating, and rather unfortunate things have happened to Mel and the people somehow related to the hole.
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		Now we take you back to the night of January 29th, 2002, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music Here he is from, you know, I don't know where he is right now, Mel Waters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mel, welcome to the program.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I'm here in the Pacific Northwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somewhere in the Pacific Northwest.
		That'll do.
		First of all, it's great to hear from you, and I guess we heard from you, Mel, because were you out somewhere when we did a rebroadcast of the original Mel's whole thing?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, I guess this was last week sometime, and I was coming back from Nevada, and I get a lot of rides from truckers.
		You might find this interesting.
		I look a hell of a lot like Willie Nelson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, people will come up to me, and particularly truckers, and say, do you know you look like Willie Nelson?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And then I tell them, no, no, no, I'm not Willie Nelson.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I am Mel Waters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they know who you are?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, they know exactly who I am.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And next thing you know, I've got three or four truckers standing around me, and we're talking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how do you get them to believe you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I once was out in, I've got an RV, Mel.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we talked to truckers on CB.
		You know, that's real handy when you're on the road.
		And I encountered some truckers, my wife and I did, and we were running with them.
		You know, you do that.
		You kind of run in a pack.
		And they wouldn't believe it was me.
		They said, your name is Art, you're from Brumyard.
		I said, yes, I'm Art Bell.
		They said, no, you're not.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I haven't had any problem with it.
		You know, it's interesting.
		I guess a lot of the truckers that are listening to you aren't seeing you on your website.
		So I guess they have no mental picture of you at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, even on the radio, though, on CB.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We were just talking to them on CB.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so they heard your voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		They would not believe it was me.
		They finally did, but it took about an hour.
		Anyway, Mel.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so we're heading back, and we're near Portland, and he turns on the radio, and I'm on the air.
		You know, at first, I didn't believe I was, you know, this is a dream.
		we've been on the road too long.
		And no, no, it was, I mean, I had to see a doctor for a check up here.
		And so I came up here and I decided, what the heck, I'll bring the audience up to date here.
		I kind of left people dangling there at the end of the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's the story on Mills Hole?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, to bring everybody just very quickly, the 101, you had a piece of property in Washington.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, out near Ellensburg, Washington, the center of Washington State, up near the Manastash Ridge, which is sort of like the mountain range that runs along where Ellensburg is in the Kittitasse Valley.
		And so you've got a valley.
		You've got mountain ranges and ridges and so forth.
		And that's basically where the property is located out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell them what happened.
		Go ahead.
		Tell them what it is.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		What happened with the property?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I mean, we'll give you the nickel tour, as it were.
unidentified		Thank you.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Good.
		Okay.
		Basically, this was back in 97, so this was five years ago almost, that I sent the facts to the show here, and basically I described what I had done about this hole and how I lowered some fishing line into it, because quite frankly, for years and years and years and years and years, people were dumping stuff into the holes.
		I'm talking refrigerators.
		I'm talking dead animals.
		My favorite thing to toss in there was TV picture tubes.
		But no matter what we tossed in there, we never heard anything hit mob.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me stop you for just one second.
		Mel, do you have a Bible?
		Yes.
		Go get your Bible.
		I'll wait.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I will have the Bible right here, and I will...
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Place your hand on it, Mel.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It is right on the Bible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you swear to me, with your hand on that Bible, Mel, that what you are telling me and about to tell me is the whole truth, the absolute truth.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Let us say the absolute truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Leia, the absolute truth.
		Cute.
		I'm sorry about the whole truth thing.
		The absolute truth with your hand on the Bible.
		So help you, God.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		then let us proceed and so i i thought it was so that you you through t_v_ picture to them but i mean i remember cows going down and I had a little Mexican fellow that used to throw literally truckloads of tires down there.
		And there was enough, the hole was big enough so that you could throw something down and you wouldn't hear it cascading off the side.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It was nine feet across, and it had a retaining wall around the top of it, and the stone went down a bit.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		But as far as I can tell, as far as I could see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No splash, no crash, no bang, nothing.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And it seemed to be, and it didn't look like it tapered.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It looked, you know, from everything that I could see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It looked as wide as far as you could see.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It was a hole.
		Oh, I don't know.
		Maybe further than I could see, it tapered.
		I have no idea.
		But I figure if something tapered, it eventually tapers down to nothing and things start collecting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, nine feet in diameter, that's a big hole.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		That's a big side hole.
		That's three yards across.
		That's more than the average human being is standing up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you had something across the hole, right?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we put some corrugated metal and stuff on top of it kind of to secure it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, had you fenced the hole in?
		Was there any protection?
		Was there a sign up that said beware of the hole?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, beware of the hole.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		No, that I think would fall under the category of attractive nuisance.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		You start warning people and that gets people enticed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about protecting people?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It was secured on there pretty good, so you couldn't open this up without basically busting the mechanism open.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you began lowering fishing line into the hole from this centerpiece, right?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		First, I used to do a lot of shark fishing, so I had a couple of big fishing poles with a lot of line on them.
		And what I was curious about is to find out if there was any water down there.
		You know, what the heck.
		So I lowered a big reel full of line into it and had a roll of lifesavers on the bottom.
		The roll of lifesavers was simply because if it hit water, the lifesavers would dissolve.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It would melt.
		You know, the old fisherman's trick.
		So that's what I did.
		You know, I lowered down.
		I emptied a reel.
		I assume there's about 500 yards of line on this particular reel there.
		I did that with another reel, so I connected them up there and got down to about 3,000 feet, and same result.
		And then finally, I got kind of nuts about the whole thing there, so I went and bought basically monofilament in wholesale quantities.
		It's kind of stuff that they fill the fisherman's reels with down at the sporting goods stores.
		You see, they have monster reels of giant.
		So, you know, basically I started lowering the stuff down there on a one-pound lead weight into the hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, did you have any help or were you doing this all by yourself?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, the project was conducted by myself.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I didn't have assistance or anything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was your own property anyway, right?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It was my property.
		My wife was becoming estranged for me, so she wasn't hanging around or anything.
		I was just sort of out there at the property doing, you know, just to satisfy my own curiosity.
		And basically at the point where I had reached 80,000 feet of line into the hole.
		And I had a little, for lack of a better word, I had a little widget that kept track of, it's just like a little, it's not a mechanical, it's like a mechanical digital counter.
		But it was made for measuring how much line goes down.
		So I knew exactly how much line I'd put into the hole at that point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which was 80,000 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		80,000 feet.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		80,000 times 10, or 8000.
		80,000 feet.
		Something like 15 miles of line went into that hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are people who have questioned, I mean, you had a little weight, of course, on the end.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then you had the weight of the line itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, at some point, people say the line would be so heavy that you would have no idea whether you actually hit bottom or not.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I would think so.
		And again, the only thing is I do recall I got back to you, and what I did is I actually measured the weight of the line in the hole.
		I had a little spring fisherman scaling kind of thing.
		And I believe I had somewhere between, with the weight on the bottom, between 17 and 18 pounds of weight attached to the top.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I had in there.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I mean, to me, I think about it now, and I think about what I've been through, and I think about all these things here.
		And I don't know what to make of any of this stuff.
		I don't know why.
		I mean, I know that, well, didn't you have somebody talk about their drilling these huge deep holes in Russia or something like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you got your deep holes there.
		I don't know what the depth of a hole is.
		The hole there has been there for as long as anybody can remember.
		If you talk to some people there, they say, oh, yeah, this was there, you know, from what they're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are people who say there are volcanic vents or whatever.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could be.
		But still, at 80,000 feet, no bottom to the hole.
		Now, this hole exhibited some, lack of a better term, paranormal aspects.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, and I believe what I had noted was that my dogs wouldn't have anything to do with it.
		They wouldn't go anywhere near it.
		The birds didn't mess with the retaining wall.
		That's the kind of place birds like to go.
		They didn't go anywhere near it.
		There were people that told me various things that when I talked to them about it, one man claimed he had thrown a dog that died into it.
		And at some point after that, he was out there hunting around up there in the hills, and he saw the same exact same dog just going through the woods like it was hunting with somebody else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the hole then brought the dog back to life.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was the idea.
		Now, here's the thing here.
		I said, well, did you call the dog back to you?
		And, you know, did it come back to you?
		He said, it looked like it was hunting with somebody else.
		That's what he said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At least it was happy.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It was there on the same places where he had gone to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you believe so strongly in the powers of this all I know that as one condition...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The government came and took your hole.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		There was quite a period of time there where after the program, all hell had broken loose.
		And I was going back to the hole.
		I actually wasn't living.
		When I had talked to you originally, I was not living on the property.
		We had just had a really major snowstorm, like two feet of snow in 24 hours, and most of my trailer buildings and stuff were all caved in on the property.
		So it was a real, real mess out there.
		Anyway, I'd taken an apartment in town.
		And so, you know, it was the next day or whatever.
		I go back there, and, you know, I'm driving up to my property.
		And even before I get anywhere near the property, I'm met by basically uniform people who are telling me that there was a plane crash on my property, that they have to investigate and clear the accident, and that I'm, you know, not to, you know, they will let me know when I can come back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, bear in mind, everybody, this was after our, immediately after our broadcast.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		This is almost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody knew about the hole until the broadcast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Immediately after the broadcast, next day he goes back and they're giving him this plane crash, crash.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, I said, you know, I mean, I'm no dummy.
		I'm looking around.
		I don't see any smoke.
		I don't smell any smoke.
		And I didn't see any evidence of what would be a plane crash.
		So I'm pretty much believing they're handing me a bill of goods.
		Right.
		And, you know, I said, look, this is my property.
		I want to get onto it.
		And basically, there were some threats made against me that, you know, I was being told that it would be fairly easy for people to find a drug lab on my property there.
		I'm basically a man who deals in herbs and Native American herbal medicine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they're saying like, back off, buddy, or we got you.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		We got you.
		What could I do?
		You know, I mean, what I had there, I suppose, could be construed as a drug lab.
		I mean, I don't know.
		But that's where it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, was it a real drug lab?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, I had the various plants that grow native in that area there.
		I had some plants that I brought up from Nevada growing over there.
		But none of these things are anything but plants that you would find growing in a high desert environment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there are a lot of psychedelic hallucinogenic plants.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		No, I do not deal with anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but that's normal.
		I mean, that's all over the desert.
		It may not be widely known, but it's the truth.
		There's all kinds of hallucogens that grow naturally in the desert.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the people that know, and I've worked extensively with Native Americans, and they can walk through an area, and they can tell you everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so it's not like you had a meth lab up there or anything like that.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		That's what they were implying.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		There was a lot of stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was herbal stuff.
		All right.
		Well, all right.
		So they scare you the hell away.
		Then how did you come to make a deal with the government?
		How did that happen?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I have a hard time figuring out what led around here.
		But basically, I wasn't going to back off.
		I was basically talking to the press.
		You are the press, Arkmel.
		And so what they did is offered to lease my property from me in perpetuity for a very healthy sum of money.
		And I'm talking like a quarter of a million dollars a month to have use of the property.
		Yeah, that's $3 million a year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of money.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, I had agreed for them to let me relocate in Australia, a place that I love and actually wish I can go back to, but that's neither here nor there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you did, in fact, go to Australia because I had a couple of emails from you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, when you were there.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I would contact you from time to time there just to let you know I was okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you were in Australia.
		Oh, I know that's true.
		So you had taken the money, and I figured you were probably sipping martinis in some nice, aussy outback location with lots of nice, young Australian and just having a nice life.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Combing my beard and all that stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what the hell happened?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, and then I, you know, I was doing well.
		I did a lot of good work over there.
		One of the things that I was allowed to do was to bring some of my plants with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they send you the money?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		It appeared regularly in my account.
		I got the money, Johnny, on the spot.
		It was great.
		They allowed me to bring my dogs with me, which I don't know if you know about transporting dogs across the seas, but you normally can't bring dogs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, without quarantine for a long period of time.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		They were not in quarantine.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		They just said they could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they got you right past that.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		They got me right there.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I got the red carpet treatment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were the king of the whole, no doubt about it.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		That was it.
		I was living good.
		I was happy.
		And, you know, basically, you know, doing fine, doing my work out there.
		Did a lot of work out there on Wombat Rescue and Wombat Restoration there.
		It was great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many quarter million dollar payments did they actually come through with?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was there from, yeah, I haven't tallied it up there, but I was basically there from March of 97 until right before the millennium.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the year 2000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Hold on.
		Hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Mel Waters is my guest.
		Much more ahead.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 29th, 2002.
		Over there are telling me I got to beware.
		I think it's time we stop.
		Children, watch that sound.
		everybody look what's going down There's battle lines being drawn.
		And nobody's right if everybody's wrong.
		Young people speak in their minds are getting so much resistance from behind with it.
		Oh, the night is my world It feel like, ain't it good?
		In the day, something matters.
		It's a night, turn it up.
		In the night, no control through the wall.
		Something's like it.
		Wearing white and no walking down the street of the soul.
		You take the time, you take a self-control.
		You don't be living only for the life for the morning of the glory.
		You take me down, you take a self-control.
		Another night, another day for us.
		Another time without the wonder.
		You helped me forget to make my home.
		You take me down, you take myself a home.
		I live among the creatures of the night.
		You're listening to Arc Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 29th, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is Mel Waters of Mel's Whole Fame, and he'll be right back.
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		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 29, 2002.
		Music
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, the keepers of the network vault of the time information informed me that Mel Waters was originally on the program February 21st of 1997.
		Then again, February 24th, three days later.
		Then he wasn't on until April of 2000.
		That would have been, I guess, when he came back to the U.S. So that's the timeline we've got.
		That sounds about right, Mel.
		So, you know, they paid you, Mel, a lot of money.
		I mean, there were several payments of a quarter million dollars, right?
		Oh, yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Just nice as every month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what the hell happened to all the money?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you what happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I had come back in December of April of 2000.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it says 2000 here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the time you've been.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Okay, then it was right before the millennium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so in 1990.
unidentified		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was the millennium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, 0, 0.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		In 1999, in December, I'd come back, and I actually contacted you to appear on the air.
		I was in the USA, and I thought we'd just kind of actually would have been a boring interview.
		It would have just been, oh, how life was good in Australia and how wonderful things were.
		Yeah, blah, blah, blah.
		But everybody would know, hey, now the life is doing okay.
		Basically, at that point, I was helping my nephew move from Tacoma to Olympia during the day before the interview.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And we moved him down there in a UVAL truck.
		And I was driving the truck back.
		And I was going to take the bus back to Olympia.
		There was some strangeness that occurred on the bus.
		There was an altercation.
		From what appeared to me, there were policemen and transit people that came over there.
		I was asked to give my statement.
		I said, no, no, no.
		I got to get back to Olympia, blah, blah, blah.
		I can't miss the last bus.
		They said, that's okay.
		You can talk to us.
		We'll drive you back in the van.
		That was the last thing I remembered because when I had woke up, it was about 12 days later, and I was in a real seedy part of San Francisco, lying in an alley.
		These winos were basically trying to get me to sing on the road again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Beaten up, as I recall.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I was bad.
		I had no teeth in the back of my mouth, no molars.
		They were gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A dentist, by the way, has since done some exemplary work for you.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Do you like that?
		He gave me some state-of-the-art ventures.
		They are wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, you were abducted.
		You were beaten up.
		God knows what happened to you.
		You found yourself in San Francisco in a disaster.
		You have come back from that, obviously.
		But I still want to know, Mel, what the hell happened to all the money?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, what happened was that when I had gone back and I was with my nephew, I found out that I had been served with legal papers that said that basically the terms of my divorce with my former wife basically had been canceled.
		I had lost my rights because of the various modifications that were made to the property after I was no Longer using the property.
		Basically, septic systems were put in.
		There was various paving that was done and modifications that basically I was not allowed to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And so I no longer had any claim on that property.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And that's basically where I'm left.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Still, though, Mel, what about all the money you did receive?
		I mean, did you blow it on Wine Women and Song or what?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, when you have a lot of money, I mean, you could only eat so much food and drink so much good scotch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And I devoted a good deal of the money I had, one, for the research I was doing.
		That was my activity.
		And two, creating a facility for dealing with our Wombat friends in Australia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know you were very concerned about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're writing about Wombat.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I am so proud of them because if you go now The majority of it.
		But right after that, and I tried to access my money, my money wasn't there.
		I had sent emails to my colleagues in Australia.
		They said my whole facility was dismantled over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Everyone was given a severance check because I had various students and various people working for me there because, you know, I'm not a veterinarian or anything like that.
		So again, you can go through quite a bit of money there.
		I was glad to do it.
		I was glad to do it.
		So there I am, basically lying in the gutter, no teeth.
		I could still see the tape on my arms whereas they had taped down an IV or some sort of thing to it.
		So I was out of it for the longest time.
		And I contacted my nephew, and he managed to get me a bus ticket back north.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brother, talk about going from being a whole baron to absolutely.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I had nothing.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And that's kind of where I left everything when we last talked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I know that you've had contact with the Native American communities since you've been back, is that right?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah.
		In fact, we will get into that because that leads to part two of all of this.
		Kind of wrap things up.
		I wanted to bring up some things because you probably noticed I was pretty tipped off that they'd stole my belt buckle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I remember that.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I mean, and amongst working with herbs and stuff, I'm kind of an itinerant jeweler as well, and I make things.
		And I went back to Ellensburg, because I had sold a number of these similar belt buckles at the farmer's market and through little consignment jewelry stores in Ellensburg.
		And so, sure enough, when I'm there, I run into a guy who's wearing one of my belt buckles.
		And they were made with a silver fork.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you'd know your own work, you know?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they were very unique, and this was kind of a little folk art thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the point, though?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, the point is that I kept on thinking, why would they take my belt buckle?
		That was the thing.
		I mean, this was a very personal item there that would, you know, I had another belt buckle on my belt.
		You see what I'm saying?
		Why take a man's belt buckle?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Makes no sense.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, I run into this guy and I says, hey, you bought one of my belt buckles.
		Oh, yeah, I love this thing.
		Anyway, so we take a look at it, we look at it, and basically the motif on there is I had three coins that I'd affixed to it in bezels.
		There was a coin with Winston Churchill on it.
		There was a coin with Joseph Stalin.
		And there was a coin dime with Franklin Roosevelt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rather distinctive.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, this was full cart representing the great conference that they had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		So we're looking at the coins there, and we're noticing there it is a 1943 Roosevelt dime.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Franklin Roosevelt was still alive in 1943.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're sure?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely sure.
		Absolutely sure.
		It was a 1943 dime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that just makes no sense whatsoever.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I found a, you know, on my property, you know, I'd cleared a land.
		You know, I found that Nazi sort of gun there.
		It was a P-38 that I gave to the landlord as a deposit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recall, yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And we dig up all kinds of things, bits of metal and stuff like that.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, I found one time when I was digging around there and just rooting around, I found one of these red Chinese lucky money envelopes, you know, the kind of Chinese give to each other on New Year's Day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And it had 10 of these dimes in it.
		So I got 10 dimes, you know, I'm making, you know, these belt buckles.
		I put one in each one there.
		So we were examining this dime here with this fellow in Ellensburg.
		And it struck us at the same time.
		I mean, when I told you 1943 Roosevelt dime, you thought, oh, okay, well, you know, it couldn't exist.
		We had a dime that there's no way it could exist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		But it looked just like your normal dime, but from 1943.
		And the only other thing that was kind of peculiar about it was that it had a B, as in baby mint mark on it.
		Now we have S for San Francisco, D for Philadelphia, D for Denver.
		But I have no record anywhere of a B as in baby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or Boston.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Boston.
		Could be Boston.
		I don't know what it was, but I know of no B mint mark on a dime.
		So anyway, this guy is really curious.
		He decides to go see a big-time coin dealer about this coin.
		And he goes in there, and the coin dealer takes a look at it, and he just is like, mouth is hanging open.
		I'm telling you, I'm relating the story from my buddy.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		He looks at this thing, and he's just elaborate acid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what I don't understand is how all this relates.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, It ties into why my belt buckle was taken.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Because it had the same coin on there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you fairly sure it was not the same belt buckle?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I had made a series of ten of them.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I made one, I had ten of those same coins.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So now, was this the same belt buckle?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		No, it was one that he must have bought.
unidentified		Okay.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you have any way of knowing if it was the same one?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No, they were very...
		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And I would know for a fact it was not the one I wore every day of my life.
		But he took it to a coin dealer, and the coin dealer was just the mace.
		He had no, I mean, he couldn't even begin to grasp what he was holding in front of him.
		You know, he started telling him, I don't know, this could be a prototype.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing explains it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, time travel, what would explain...
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		But there's nothing that explains it.
		The guy offered him a huge amount of money, the coin dealer.
		Here, I'm going to write you a very substantial check.
		You give me the dime.
		The guy says, let me think about it.
		Okay, I'll give you my number.
		You give me a call.
		And, you know, and I'll let you know what I think.
		To make a long story short, a day or two later, this guy is visited by Treasury officials there who said they have to confiscate this coin from him for some legal reason or another, so they took the coin away from this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He should have made the deal the day before.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		He should have made the deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So somehow, do you remember where you got these coins?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they were on my property.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They were on the property.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just showed up laying on the property?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		No, I was actually digging around there, you know, because I turned a lot of dirt over there to plant stuff and grow things there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think about this, and nothing explains it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, time travel would not explain it.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		You know, the only thing that I even began to think about, you know, it's like over the years I didn't pay attention to it, but it was like, I don't know if you've ever noticed this, but in the middle of every intersection, you know, on the road, there's always a little pile of nuts and bolts.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		If you drive by, you'll notice them.
unidentified		Yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Little springs right in the middle of the intersection.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Stuff that falls off of cars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And it seemed to me like that property was like that.
		All kinds of odds and ends were over there.
		I mean, why would I find an old?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's strange that you would mention all of this now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember you're telling the story of your belt buckle being gone, but you didn't go into the detail about your belt buckle before.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		No, because I didn't know the significance of it.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I just looked at it as a couple of old silver times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So suddenly you relate it back to the hole and the problem.
		Exactly.
		I see.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		So I got this, you know, so that kind of explains why the buckle would be taken from me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It might be proof of something other than what, yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		But that happened over there.
		And I just wanted to bring it up today.
		I haven't been able to track down my former wife at all.
		I mean, she is just like vanished.
		I don't know where she is.
		I don't know what name she's going under.
unidentified		I have no idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's a question for you, Mel.
		The military, obviously, still is in possession of your property, yes?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have been saying military.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		We have been saying government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever.
		Whoever they are.
		They have gotten it.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		There is someone in possession of the property, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if a person were to go to this property, they would be halted or stopped before they could go on and make any sort of investigation or whatever, right?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to assume a number of things, since I have not actually gone anywhere within five miles of the property since then, that there's a chain-link fence around it.
		There's probably a sign that says agricultural research do not enter or something like that.
		That's what I'm going to assume.
		Okay.
		I'm also going to assume that what it looked like when I owned it or had it in my possession doesn't look like it now.
		I will also clue everybody into one thing.
		Art, are you familiar with the Terra server?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		The satellite imagery?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you can get satellite imagery of almost any spot on Earth.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you go to the Terra server.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And you go see the pictures where my property is in the Monastash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, why don't you tell us how to do that?
		In other words, what specific photograph are we looking at?
		There should be a number or something.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I don't have that handy, but if you found Ellensburg and you zoomed out, so the picture got smaller, you will see where my property is, and it's very easy to see where it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how would we identify it?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Because it has been expunged.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Those pictures do not appear on the satellite server.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		The ones taken in June of 2000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, instead, where your property ought to be, what do we see?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Two white squares.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you serious?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		You go to Terror Server, that's provided by Microsoft.
		I'm not going to give any URLs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, a lot of people know how to do it.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And look up Ellensburg, zoom out, and then you will see over where the Monastash Ridge is, my property blanked out.
		Actually, quite a bit.
		There's quite a few.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		So that is, you know, you don't have to go by what I say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, no, no.
		Listen, trust me when I tell you.
		One of my listeners, within the hour, I can guarantee we'll find the exact photograph you're talking about, if it exists.
		Send me the URL and or send Keith the URL, and we'll get it up and take a look.
		And you're claiming.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It's not there.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It's been expunged.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, expunge away, they might, but that still would identify the exact location.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, it still covers a lot of ground there.
		But where it is, and I assume that because this picture was taken in 2000, okay, I believe it was in June or something of 2000.
		Right.
		That there's been a lot of differences made in that area.
		And none of these, see, you get a really good picture on a Terra server.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, pretty good.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		You could basically see a car on the road with a Terra server.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		That's from a satellite.
		So, I mean, you'd see a hole.
		You'd see outbuildings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right, let's direct people again.
		Let's say it again.
		So, listeners who want to go to Terra server right now and help us out, tell them where to go again.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Look up Ellensburg, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And then you just zoom out on the town until you see the black, the white squares where my property would have been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that would be exactly?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		On the Manassas Ridge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, there's a good piece of evidence we can go hunting for.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Let's go there.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		But whoever controls the satellite and releasing it to the Terra server people decided not to let them have these pictures.
unidentified		Oh, isn't that something.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I mean, every listener can do this.
		I mean, you know, I've had, you know, people want to go out there.
		And the only thing I tell them is don't go there.
		I mean, I don't know what's going to happen to you.
		I don't know what people will do to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be nothing but grief of one sort or another.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's these guys to go to Area 51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, you know that people have made treks to find Mel's hole.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I, I, I, right now I tell you, look, you know, it's there.
		Don't go there.
		You don't have to go there.
		It's there.
		But don't, don't go there on my account.
		I don't want to be responsible for anybody.
		Anyway, so that, that was, you know, that's kind of like, you know, bringing, you know, bringing this into focus here.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It brings us certainly up to date.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, I got a, I had a couple of other interesting things.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		These things are kind of loose ends, but they're not loose.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to hold on because we're at the top of the hour.
		And then we're going to shortly get to the next hole.
		Mel has a new, apparently endless hole.
		I'm Art Bell.
		From the high desert, this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
		Tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 29th, 2002.
		This young man sawing on a fiddle and playing it hot.
		And the devil jumps up on a hickering stump and says, boy, let me tell you what.
		I guess you didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player too.
		And if you care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you.
		Now, you play pretty good fiddle, boy, but give the devil a view.
		I bet a fiddle of gold against your soul because I think I'm better than you.
		The boy said, my name's Johnny and it might be a sin.
		But I'll take your bet you're going to regret because I'm the best that's ever been.
		Johnny, you're...
		You got me running, going out of my mind.
		You got me thinking that I'm wasting my time.
		Don't bring me down.
		No, no, no, no, no, no.
		Ooh, ooh, ooh.
		I'll tell you one more before I get off the floor.
		Don't bring me down.
		You want to see us with your fancy friends.
		I'm telling you we're gonna save the air.
		Don't bring me down.
		No, no, no, no, no.
		I'll tell you one more, before I get up the floor.
		Don't bring me down.
		What happened to the girl I used to know?
		You left your mind up somewhere down the road.
		Don't bring me down.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 29, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, folks, for a short time it would appear as though we brought the entire Terra server down.
		However, enough of you went and looked, and we believe we found the frame in question.
		Keith has it posted right now.
		It covers an area, it says, five kilometers southwest of Ellensburg, Washington.
unidentified		and
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll be damned if there isn't a big white block missing from the center of this part of the terra server in the Menatash area I can never say that the Manatash Menat anyway the area that he was talking about we've got the link up there on my site right now go to artbell.com go to program tonight's guest info and you will see related link terra server image of Ellensburg Washington and there is a big missing area now whether this is it or
		I don't know.
		We'll ask Mel in a moment, but it's on my website right now.
		Thank you.
		Sorry about that, Terra Server.
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		a mistake, it's going to happen by a whistleblower, but it's not going to be an organized thing.
		Governments won't do that.
		And the reason why they won't do it is because they do not want us to know.
		They think that they'll lose control of us if we know.
		If you actually truly believed that we were being visited by extraterrestrials and you had categorical proof that it was happening, do you think you would listen to some of the bull that government throws out all the time?
		Absolutely not.
		You'd look toward the heavens, you'd say there's got to be a better way, and you would start doing your own thing.
		And you would forget all about government control and everything else.
		So the bottom line is government will never, ever disclose the true facts of UFOs.
		Now we take you back to the night of January 29th, 2002, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music All right, we've got one TerraServer image which says it's covering an area about five miles southwest of Ellensburg, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that sound right?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		That's about the neck of the woods we're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in this neck of the woods, there's one great big white blotted out area where I presume were I to be able to see it, and it does look like a very interesting area, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There would be Mel's Hole somewhere there, huh?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that blotch over there covers like a four-mile by eight-mile area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My goodness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a blotch.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, isn't that?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		My nephew told me about that, and I said, well, you son of a gun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's right.
		We've got it up on the website right now.
		People can go take a look for themselves.
		So now we have pinned down, better than ever before, the area where Mel's hole actually is.
		Thank you, Mel.
		That's damn good research.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		By the way, not too far from there on the highway that goes to Yakima, I think it's 84 or 85.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		There's a rest stop.
		And I had a lot of reports from a lot of people that if they look towards the Monastash, they will see the black beam of light.
		They have seen it.
		I have had truckers, I've had people in town say, that's where I was.
		I was looking towards it, and I saw the flash of black light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, maybe my audience is not aware, but a television crew went up to Ellensburg after we did the last program and researched this.
		And I'll be doggone.
		They didn't find the hole, but they did find near the area where you were talking about a lot of military boot prints and all kinds of information that would indicate the military, in fact, had been there or was there.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they would have probably seen a lot of yellow gear tread marks in the ground.
unidentified		Yep, yep, yep, yep.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		You name it, it was there.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		But my nephew coughed that little piece of information up for me, and I thought I'd pass that along to our listeners.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, wait till people get a load of this.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And they can ask why is it that that pretty innocuous?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I mean, from all intents and purposes, there's not a military base right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, who knows?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, you know, you know what I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not an obvious one.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Very close to my property there was the Yakima firing range.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And I will tell you that they have expanded the area of the Yakima firing range and also expanded the fly zone over it correspondingly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't this also interesting?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It's just it's all there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Earlier in the program, before you got on, Mel, somebody fast-blasted me, and I consider this a really good question.
		Okay.
		It is, what are the odds of any single one person finding two apparently bottomless or endless holes in one lifetime?
		The odds against that have got to be gazillions to one.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		In fact, so you don't even, you don't eat, you can't even consider odds, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		So outlandish.
		And oh, by the way, one other thing, before we even get to that, Richard Hoagland called at the top of the hour and said, you know, what, Art, you're right.
		Normal time travel could not explain what he just talked about, but there is one thing that could.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And that is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A parallel universe.
		That is to say, a universe in which similar things occurred, but with very different outcomes.
		And a lot of our best scientific minds now, Mel, are saying that indeed that could very well be the case.
		You know, there could be a universe in which the Nazis won the war.
		And so there could be a universe in which the dime that you came to be in possession of on that planet.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		So the be on it, but it stood for Berlin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		Oh, my God, Berlin.
		I forgot about that.
		All right, listen.
		Anyway.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		So there we are.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And the only thing, a few things I will add to this, just to get us current, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Is that I had reports from some of my trucker buddies who once said he delivered a huge quantity of fiber optic cable to a warehouse in Ellensburg.
		Now, okay, I don't know.
		We're talking a huge quantity to a warehouse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, let's see what might they want to do with fiber optics.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		But he told me that all the guys that were there, that were in the office there and at the warehouse where he had unloaded this stuff, they were all Israelis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		They were all Israelis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, it's really going to tick me off if the Israelis have our hole.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is what he told me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that is our hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a U.S. hole.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It's on our land here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		But he said that the people that took delivery of that We're Israelis.
		Now, I talked with another trucker.
		I love the truckers.
		The truckers are...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can tell.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I love them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're good guys, I know.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're the best in the world.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		They are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They actually are.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		They're delivered, apparently, to the same warehouse, a number of crated instruments, large crated instruments from Lawrence Livermore Laboratory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, gee.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		California ended up in a warehouse facility in Ellensburg.
		So that's pretty much where I am with Ellensburg.
		I told you about the coin.
		I told you about the deliveries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Pretty much up to date.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now it suddenly brings the whole belt buckle thing down in San Fran into focus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God, that's incredible now.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
		I mean, you know it's funny, Art.
		If you look at some things and you don't put two and two, you say it's a dime.
		I mean, I told you about it.
		It's a 1943 Roosevelt dime.
unidentified		Yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		What the heck?
unidentified		It's a dime.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		What are you, you know, going boo-hoo about your dime?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Until you realize Roosevelt was alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it finally all drove it home to me.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Again, that was me, too.
		I had these things in my hand.
		I did little soldering around them and stuff.
		I mean, you know, don't feel bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, in view of time here.
unidentified		Okay.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Let's move this forward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are connected, obviously, because I guess of the plants that you grow, the herbs and all the rest of it, with Native Americans, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And all I'm going to tell you about them, I don't want to give the name of the tribe because I don't want a bunch of people running down to me.
		These are very poor people.
		As you know, a lot of the Indians on the reservation are very poor people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, this is in Nevada, right?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		In Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here in my state.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And there are tribes up there that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, because of the kind of work you did, the metallic work you did in belt buckles and the herbs you grow, I can easily understand the connection you would have with some Native Americans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you connected with these Native Americans.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, they connected with me.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		They actually contacted me through email.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And said, look, would you be interested in coming down and discussing with us, you know, what you're doing, the research that you're doing, and, you know, talk about, you know, I have no, believe me, Art, I have no commercial interest in this at all.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		But they do.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		That's fine.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's not going to be a patented bottle of Mel's Magic Elixirs.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		here okay fine this is this is their thing but we you know we swap notes we talked around a lot and there are some specific they knew who you were because of my program coverage and yeah okay and so I went down there and this was in early September of last year oh okay so this this is actually before 9-11.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but shortly before that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Early September.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I was pretty much incommunicado basically during that whole time and strangely enough.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		So a lot of this stuff is news to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, we're over there and they had done a lot of good work.
		They had cataloged a lot of plants.
		You know, we talked plants.
		I'm sure all this plant stuff is boring.
		And I asked them if they knew I said the plants that seemed to work the best were the plants that I had been growing on my property.
		And I described to them which ones they were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was the hole near Washington, right?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so obviously you unraveled the story of the hole to them.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, well, they were aware of everything, too.
		So I says, can you, in your gathering and in your research and your studies, have you found this specific variety?
		And I said, because this was the variety that grew by the property.
		And that's where I ended up at the second hole, is because they took me directly to, not for the hole in particular.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then it's obvious to me that they knew your reputation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They knew the whole story of the hole, and the real motivation for inviting you down there, aside from the herbs and the rest of it, was that they had a hole of their own.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, the hole itself, we're going to get into the hole, I guess, deeply for lack of a better term.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now you're guilty.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, Arth.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		But basically, the hole is not on their property.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I mean, basically, their connection, to get from the reservation or where the Indians are to the hole, is they know what you're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're telling me this hole is in my state?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		In the state of Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the state of Nevada, oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And if you looked at the picture of where the Monastash is in Washington, if you try to find similar pictures in Nevada, you probably find it there, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have very similar-looking terrain.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It really is.
		That's why I love the high desert.
		That's my kind of land.
		But anyway, so I'm up there, and this land is used by members of the Basque, B-A-S-Q-U-E community.
		The Basque are interesting people, and they basically came out to your state and a couple of other states, basically, for raising sheep, of all things.
		And so they are shepherds, and so I am introduced to what is now the second hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Tell me about this.
		I mean, they took you to it.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		They took me there.
		I did not go all the way up to the hole, but there was conversations between the Native Americans and the Basque and the blah, blah, blah.
		And they basically agreed that everything was as it should be, that I wasn't from CNN or the FBI or CIA or whatever.
		And so I went there and I got to see the whole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's there?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		What it is, is that if you, you know, walking up to it, and first of all, this is in a fairly pristine area, okay?
		So there's like no real signs Of civilization around there.
		There's no roads leading into it.
		There's no telephone wires, nothing like that.
		I mean, we're talking pristine area.
		No signs of, except for their habitation, no signs of habitation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're walking up to it, and what you see sticking out of the ground is a nine, well, the hole itself is the same dimension as the one in Ellsberg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not wide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nine feet in diameter?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Nine feet in diameter.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		This one had a metal collar around it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A metal collar?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Metal.
		Solid metal collar.
		That rose from two feet high and about two feet deep.
		Metal collar, and it had some notches in it that you could look like, in my estimation, you could make something with it to lock it in place.
		It could possibly be like a locking collar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean something was it looked in other words, it looked like something intended to lock to it from above?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Something would be lowered onto it and locked into place.
unidentified		Okay?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		But the Basque tell me that this property, there, this hole here, has been there for all of their experience, that they have been there since the 1800s.
		Just the way it is, but the same hole.
		On not their land.
		They don't own this land, Arctic.
		This is probably government, U.S. government land.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the majority of land here in Nevada is BLM.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your land management.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It's not, they don't own it.
		They use the land.
		You know, they graze sheep, blah, blah, blah, that sort of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how long have they known of this hole?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, the one fellow I know says he knew this from when he was a young man, and he was well into his late 80s.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		So he knew it from probably for the last 70 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, because of what you did, we know a lot, at least quite a bit, about your hole up near Ellensburg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But this hole, what do we know about this hole other than its diameter?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It's the diameter, and apparently it is lined with that same metal as far as you can see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It is solidly lined as far as you can see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this is not a natural hole by any stretch.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		There is nothing natural about this hole at all.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you tell what kind of metal it is?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		No, but I'll tell you one thing, and it was kind of an accident.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		But I dropped a box wrench on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		You know, on the ledge?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It made no noise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No noise.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		No no noise whatsoever.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		You know, you drop a box wrench on a metal floor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Clank.
unidentified		Clank.
unidentified		Nothing.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		You know, we repeat the experiment.
		Clank.
		Nothing.
		It makes noise.
		You could pound on that thing with a sledgehammer and it won't make noise.
		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		This is what I'm telling you about right now, is that this one here is so different from the one that I had in Ellensburg.
		Like, totally different.
		Mostly because of this metal around it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you touch the metal, does it feel metallic?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it cold as metal is?
unidentified		Oh.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		This is interesting because a lot of the fellows that are there, and there was five of us that, you know, towards the end of it, we started with two and we ended up with five.
		But what they say when they're up there, even in the wintertime, they can put their tent and sleeping bag right up against it to keep them nice and warm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Warm?
unidentified		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It keeps them nice and warm, but it is not hot.
		It's not like a fire hot.
		But the metal itself over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Radiates.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know how to describe it there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you touch it with your hand, is it hot?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or does it just produce radiant heat that there is heat around it, but it itself is not hot.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		How does that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is really weird, Mel.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		So they are, you know, that's what, you know, that's the thing there.
		And so we have this, you know, hole in there.
		And again, from my understanding, they have known about that hole up there.
		It has been known since the 1800s.
		It has been known exactly the way it is.
		I can tell you that some of the people that I talked with towards the end of everything on my way back said it was a spiritual site for them up there.
		I asked the Native...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there, Mel.
		Good cliffhanger point.
		So to speak.
		Sorry about that.
		Mel Waters is my guest, and we're beginning to hear about a second hole.
		Oh my goodness, right here in Nevada.
unidentified		You're listening to Ark Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 29th, 2002.
		Rolling and riding and slipping and sliding with the slightly black.
		Higher and higher, baby, it's a living thing.
		I want you, couldn't let me give you my one of you.
		I want you, knowing I'm saving you, I want you.
		I want you, finally making my one of you.
		I tried to hold you back, but you were stronger, oh yeah.
		And now it's my only chance, it's giving up the fight.
		And I see I ever used, I feel like a thing when I'm blue.
		Wadaloo, I want you, see you, I'm blue.
		Wadaloo, I want you to love you forevermore.
		Wadaloo, couldn't let me give you my one of you.
		Wadaloo, knowing my faith is even you.
		Wadaloo, I want you.
		Wadaloo.
		Premiere Radio Networks presents Ark Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight's program originally aired January 29th, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bell has confirmed one thing for us.
		We found the image on the Terra server that Mel refers to that has a big white square exactly where Mel's hole would be in Washington.
		Now, Mel is connected with Native Americans here in my state in Nevada and the back, and they've led him to this second well, covered with metal.
		It's got a metal collar all the way around it, and get this, folks, going all the way down inside the well.
		the metal continues as far as the eye can see or as they have been able to thus far detect more in a moment.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of January 29th, 2002, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Coming up on Thursday, by the way, I've got Jan Lumbrick here, who's an advocate of the hollow earth theory.
		And that may in some way relate to what we're talking about tonight.
		I have no idea.
		We'll find out.
		In the meantime, Mel, so you've got this metal around the hole, about, you said, a foot or two high.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Two feet high, two feet high.
unidentified		Two feet high.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And two feet wide.
		And the hole is nine feet in diameter.
		And as far as you can see, the metal continues down.
		This is no geographic hole.
		This is no volcano vent.
		Or if it is, it's been modified by somebody.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, if it's been modified, it's been modified, I'm going to say, long before the technology that we know of today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it looks like there was something that should be latching to this hole from above.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		i'm going to call the thing on top of collar okay and that that that And it looked like there's notches in it, and it looked like you could lock something into place or line something up in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It didn't move.
		I mean, the whole thing was solid, solid metal.
		But there are places where there are notches in it, and something is meant to orient, my opinion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What did the Basques or the Native Americans tell you about what they knew of the depth of this hole?
		In other words, I'm sure they've thrown things into it or have experimented with trying to find out how deep it is or something, right?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, they didn't do anything with lowering, line it or anything to it, but they did relate to me the same phenomenons as that I had described.
		One, the fear of animals going by it.
		Their dogs won't do it.
		They have nothing to do with it there.
		They too have spoken of the black beam.
		They've spoken of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of, what do you mean black beam?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		From time to time, a black beam, this is a contradiction, but a black beam of light, okay, comes from a hole.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It lasts for a very short time, but it just goes directly up into the sky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when you look at it, it looks like a black beam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, as opposed to a lighted sky.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		If you had a flashlight and it was capable of throwing off a black, not a black light like we used to have back in the 60s, you know, with all that stuff, but black, solid black.
		Yeah, gotcha.
		that's what there's no way to describe it there's no I I have never personally witnessed the black beam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did perform some experiments on this hole, didn't you?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let me talk about the first one.
		And I'm not a scientist.
		I'm kind of a researcher.
		But the first thing that we did is we had a whole bunch of Safeway or 7-Eleven bags of ice.
		You know, the kind that you buy, you know, and we had a couple bags of that.
		So we had, put one in a bucket on the surface and we lowered another bucket of ice into the hole.
		1,500 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		1,500 feet.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		We had access to a nice winch and about that much.
		We only had 1,500 feet of line, and that's what we...
		Well, first of all, my curiosity was that I wanted to know, was it hot or cold down there?
		Okay.
		So we basically waited for the ice to melt about halfway on the surface and we would hoist So you had test ice on the surface.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I got you.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
		I got you.
		You know, your garden variety, convenience store ice, you know, that you buy anywhere, and nothing magic about it or anything like that.
		And so we lowered it down there.
		We waited for the ice to melt on the surface there, and it got about half melty, you know.
		So it was sitting in a bowl of, in a bucket of water with a few bits of ice floating around.
		We brought it up.
		And the ice in the bucket did not melt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It didn't melt?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It was not melted.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		So we said, I mean, this was on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, the hole had been radiating in some strange way heat enough that people would camp by it.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they did that in the wintertime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it doesn't melt ice?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It didn't melt the ice.
		It came up there.
		We looked in the bucket.
		We had ice cubes in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did anything come back up with the ice cubes?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		We had ice cubes.
		I reach in the bucketed ice cube.
		I picked one up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, nothing else, dirt, water, anything else?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		No, the stuff appeared pretty much the way we had sent it down.
		With the exception of when I put my hand in the ice, the ice wasn't cold.
		It felt like ice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't cold.
		This is what I'm saying.
		It wasn't cold.
		You know, you you pick up a piece of ice, you put it in your hand, It melts.
		And it's cold.
		In fact, it makes you cold by melting.
		That's how cold works.
unidentified		Right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, it wasn't cold, and in the hand, it didn't melt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then, now they're more like blocks of glass.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would say so.
		But we said, oh, okay, what we'll do here is we'll take this bucket and we'll stick it on the fire.
		And we had a little place to cook there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stick the bucket with the unmelted ice?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Unmelted ice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You put on a fire.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		We put it on like our cooking fire there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		We had a little table and cooking area and stuff over there.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		So we put it on there and the ice catches fire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Cubes catch fire.
		And I guess maybe catching fire might be the wrong word.
		The ice.
		We took it off the fire right away.
		So we set it on the dirt.
		And the stuff in the bucket was still burning.
		And again, burning might not be the right thing.
		It was giving off heat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was there a flame?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It was not so much a flame as a kind of a...
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever used a gas stove?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		It was like the barest turning a gas stove on.
		It was like it was glowing like that last flicker before you turn it off completely.
		That's what it was like around all the cubes.
		And you could knock the cubes around and separate them, and each one of them would exhibit the same properties.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy smokes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I will tell you that this bucket, well, some of the bucket there, is still sitting there, as far as I know today, still doing what it was doing the day we put it into the ground and brought it up.
		So this was September, and this is January now.
		That's how long it's been doing what I call burning.
		One guy took some of the stuff home.
		He put it in his wood stove.
		And he's got a cabin out there, and it gets damn cold where he is, and the thing has been keeping his place warm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, northern Nevada, it's very cold.
		So this is like giving off eternal heat?
		I'm not sure I've got this right.
		It was neutral when it came out of the well.
		It was neutral.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		When we put it on the fire, it appeared, again, my terminology, this is very bad because it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It acted like a fuel.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It will look like, if I understand combustion, it was like it was doing combustion in a different way than we would attribute combustion to mixing air with fuel and creating heat and flame.
		But it was doing kind of the same thing, is what I'd like to say.
		And it's been burning like that since, again, burning is the wrong word, but that's all I got for it.
		I don't know how to describe this process since early September.
		Again, a guy has, he took about a coffee can't worth of this stuff and took it home and put it in his wood stove in his cabin.
		You know, no wood in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And the thing has been going since then.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Now, we have tried this experiment of just the lowering of the bucket because we figured we could, boy, we'd like to have a lot of this stuff here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		You know, so, and sometimes we would go down there and we would get nothing.
		Sometimes we would get melted.
		Sometimes, you know, not melted, but realized.
		But every so often, this process duplicates itself.
		So we come up with the same thing.
		But it isn't like, you know, every time you lower a bucket full of stuff there, then it's going to happen every time.
		It doesn't happen every single time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A quarter of the time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An eighth of the time?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'd say one out of three times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One out of three.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		One out of three.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know if it was the amount of time down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you possess any of this yourself?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I took nothing with me, Art.
		I would not, what is the word?
		This is theirs for now.
		Say for now, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about noise?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At any point, did it make any noise?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		No, we never, during this process that we went through, it made no noise at all.
		It made no noise.
		And we did not notice anything from the surface, anything particularly unusual, okay, at all.
		I mean, you know, it's just, but...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, anything marked or scratched in English or any other language?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		We went at it with a hacksaw blade.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		You couldn't hacksaw it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You couldn't even dent it?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		No, no, the metal itself, from what I can determine, and I mean, normally if you have a metal thing that's hollow, you could tap on it, and you would hear that it's hollow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		But with this thing here, you know, if you're beating on it with a tire iron, it doesn't make any noise, that doesn't give you a gauge as to whether it's hollow or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it was absorbing, probably, all noise.
unidentified		I mean, there would have maybe just sucking it up.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it radiated into the ground.
		I have no idea.
		That's not my area of expertise.
		All I know is what I could see with my own eyes.
		And hopefully by the end of tonight, maybe somebody will have some answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did the locals believe about this hole?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you literally just got back from Nevada, what, tonight or yesterday?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		No, it was last week.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I got home the night that you did the show as the repeat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You told me.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So it was one of those, you know, it was probably Richard Hoagland say, one of those synchronous moments there where, ooh, you know, I mean, I'm talking to this guy and he's talking to Mel Waters, you know, in the truck.
		And then I hear myself, and it's like, hey, I mean, so it was just too much.
		And so I had to get in touch with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, again, what did these locals, what was the lore that they told you about the whole thing?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, one of the older Basque men that I talked to, and this was practically as I was heading out of town, told me that was a very, to him he felt it was a very spiritual place.
		But he knew the thing from his youth, that it was there exactly the way it is.
		And he was in his late 80s, so I'm assuming he's known it for 70 years.
		So he's known it at least from the 30s.
		And from what he tells me, it's been there as long as the Basque had been in that part of the country, and that goes well into the 1800s.
		It has existed like that.
		To be honest, the Native Americans that I talked to were aware of it, but they did not want to deal with it.
		They did not want to interact with it.
		Is that a good word?
		All they would do is pick some of the various plants that I needed that were in the general vicinity of it, because I wanted very specific ones that I had recommended, and they knew of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they now growing some of these plants in the vicinity of this hole?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, some of those plants are there.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		They appear to be indigenous to the area, so they did harvest some early on in the season.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then again, you saw similar vegetation around this hole to the one in Washington.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's why I asked them for, you know, if they knew, you know, I described to them what it was, you know, and the shape of the things and the size of the area.
		And they said, oh, yeah, we know that there.
		But in terms of why the entree, I assume that the Native Americans knew about this all along there.
		And I assume that they must have had some conversation with the Basque there that, you know, would this be okay?
		Are you interested in this guy, blah, whatever.
		And apparently there was no objection, so I have access to this property.
		But I want to respect my access, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about an experiment, Mel, similar to the one you did in Washington, lowering some sort of line, or better yet, some sort of camera on the end of a line?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		We didn't do that.
		Between the DeBasque and the Native Americans and me, we don't have too many nickels to rub together.
		But I will tell you what we did do.
		One of the Basque, kind of a wise acres.
		He wanted to lower some marijuana into the hole and see if it would improve its possibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then it would be a pothole, right?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess it could be.
		I hadn't thought of it that way, but he wanted to do that.
		And one guy wanted to be lowered into the hole himself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, well, now you see, in the hour preceding your opinion, Oh, did you?
		Two people who would actually like to be lowered into such a hole.
		Now, I know that you believed in the powers of the hole in Washington to the degree that in the original agreement, now voided, I suppose, you were to be, upon your death, buried by being dropped into the hole, right?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		How I wanted my remains to be dealt with, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that apparently is not going to happen because of subsequent events.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've got another place to go now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you really want to see Yes, would you really want to be, I suppose, with some ceremony dropped into the hole?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Hey, you know, just give me a decent...
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Is that interned?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what you'd call that.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I don't know either.
		But one of these guys wanted to go into, you know, literally, he wanted to be lowered into the hole.
		He wanted to, you know, be put in a gondola or something and lowered, you know, from the winch into the hole and go down as far as we had line, which again was 1,500 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can assure you, Mel, we could get sponsors for you who would get you all the line you need.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Look, we talked them out of going into the hole because we said, look, see what it did to the ice?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It says, we sent a bucket of ice down into this hole, and it's sitting up there on the surface burning.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what are you made out of mostly?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Water.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Water.
		What's going to happen to a human being down there?
		What properties are going on over there?
		But the Basque are, as a race, are fearless.
		When the Moors invaded Spain, they refused to go into Basque country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what did this man say his motivation was for wanting to go into the hole?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, obviously...
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		He said, this is going to be a great adventure.
		I want to go in here.
		I want to see what's going on.
		But he wasn't thinking with his brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are obviously a lot of people like that, Mel, because I had two of them in the first hour of the program, and they said they would love to be lowered into such a hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this one, if anything, this one sounds more attractive.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, we determined to do, and I'm ashamed to admit it, is that we decided to lower a sheep into the hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		A living sheep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Into the hole.
		We had a crate, you know, the sheep could fit into that we could attach the cables to.
		And we're going to take the sheep, you know, stick them in the crate, and then lower them down, you know, to the 1,500-foot level.
		Because that's all we had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like the ice.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's all we had.
		We had enough line, basically, to go that far, and it was stout enough to handle, you know, I'm no sheep guy, but I could pick up a sheep, so it must weigh about 120, 150 pounds.
		So I guess about the size of a small human, wouldn't you say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would 150 pounds.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, per sheep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would say that's about size.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I'm no sheep expert, but you know, if I had to say how much does that sheep look like away, about 150, 125 pounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, are you telling me you did this?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you that we well, first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
		I'll tell you what.
		Don't say a word.
		Good place to hang everybody up.
		Be sure they're here next hour.
		Did he really lower a sheep 1,500 feet into the endless hole?
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 29, 2002.
		Coast to Coast AM from January 29, 2002.
		Monday, Monday, so good to me.
		Monday, Monday, Monday.
		Monday morning, it was all I hoped it would be.
		Monday morning, Monday morning, couldn't guarantee that Monday evening you would still be here with me.
		Monday, Monday, can't trust that day.
		Monday, Monday, sometimes it changes.
		Just that way.
		Oh, mother morning, you gave me no warning.
		Oh, what would you be?
		Oh, Monday, Monday.
		How could you be and not take me?
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an oncour presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 29th, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mondays can be pretty strange.
		Tuesdays, obviously, as well.
		And Wednesday mornings, early.
		Definitely.
		My guest is Mel Waters of Mel's Hole Fame, and now we've got a new hole.
unidentified		And this one's really something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And something about a sheep coming up in a moment.
unidentified		And a sheep coming up in a while.
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		Music All right, just about to get back to Mel Waters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he had brought up the subject of a sheep, which apparently they were considering lowering 1,500 feet into the hole.
		Now, we were having fun last week with Mel's Hole, talking about it a little bit.
		We knew he was going to be on.
		And somebody said, well, why not toss a cat down Mel's hole and see what happens?
		Now, of course, you know, I'm a cat lover.
		And so this is not cruelty because nobody is seriously suggesting tossing a cat down Mel's hole.
		But some very creative person with a sound blaster and some talent and a little manipulation created what it would sound like if a cat were to be tossed into Mel's hole.
		It's meant obviously as pure comedy.
		This is not actually a cat being tossed into Mel's hole, but here is the way he represented it would sound.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		You know...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the second one that gets me.
		Not the first one.
		The first one is pretty good as you hear the sort of the echo of the captive peering down the hole.
		It's the second little one.
		There he goes.
		That was what somebody thought it would sound like, Mel.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, so you decided that you would lower a sheep 1,500 feet down as low as the ice had gone into the hole.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, we had decided that we were going to take the sheep and put them in a grave and lower them into the hole.
		We led the sheep to the hole, and it just started freaking out.
		I mean, you know, we didn't make it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like every other animal.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I mean, it was like totally, totally not happy.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, I have a lot of respect for animals, and it's amazing what animals really know and what they send.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're right about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so if it was terrified of the sheep.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It was terrified, so the bass got the sheep away from the hole.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And again, a lot of what I'm going to say now I am thoroughly ashamed of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just give us the wrong story.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		He basically stunned the sheep by knocking it between the eyes.
		Got it into the crate.
		You know, got the cable and line hooked up to it, so it was all securely attached.
		And just about when we got to the hole, the sheep just started making horrible noises.
		So he stunned it, but he didn't kill the sheep, okay?
		He just knocked it out.
		So it was live when he went in the box, and then it stirred when it got to the hole.
		Anyway, it was just making the worst god-awful noises.
		We were getting it about ready to let it go into the hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even though it had been hit in the head?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It stirred by the time we got it crated up into the crate.
		There was enough room for it to lie down, and I guess if it wanted to, it could stand up.
		I don't know.
		Again, this is not pleasant to talk about.
		But we take the sheep, and it's screaming, and just the most piercing, horrible, ghastly noises coming out of this crate until we get it right over where we're going to let it into the hole, and then everything just stops dead silent.
		There's not a sound coming out of that box.
		There's movement coming out of the box.
		You can still tell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But no sound.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		There's no sound anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's something about this hole in sound, isn't there?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I guess we will make that assumption.
		And so we started winching this sheep down into the hole, and you can feel from the line as we're lowering that the thing is struggling, fighting.
		I don't know if it's screaming down there, but we're not hearing this thing screaming.
		And I think we got about halfway down into the hole, and I was about to say 700 feet.
		And then any movement that might have been coming from the crate, we couldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We couldn't feel it anymore.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No.
		We couldn't feel anything.
		So I don't know at 700 feet or so, about half the line, what happened over there.
		When we got to, at this point here, the original experiment with the ice, you know, we were kind of nonchalant about it.
		You know, we just kind of lowered down there.
		Well, with this one here, we were all gathered around the top of the hole there looking in, seeing what was going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very apprehensive.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		You know, this is a serious business here.
		When we hit the bottom, we felt up there, we felt like a vibration on the collar at a point in time when it was down there.
		And it's kind of hard to describe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you mean when you hit the bottom?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		When we hit the bottom of the rope, the cable line assembly that we had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean when it was all the way playing, huh?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		When we got there, and it vibrated, or it felt like a vibration, and sort of like a staticky electricity type kind of feeling.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		That we could feel up there.
		Yeah.
		And so we got it down to 1,500 feet and we left it there for about a half an hour.
		And then we decided to bring it back up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, sure.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		So we're hoisting this thing up here, cranking away, getting this thing up on there.
		And it's kind of a job.
		So we finally get up to the surface and we got the box out of there.
		And the one thing we notice is there isn't any movement in the box.
unidentified		No.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		There's no box.
		We've got the box there.
		But the box from the outside looked pretty normal.
		It didn't look like some weird transformation had occurred or anything.
		Oh, I wanted to describe to you how to tell you about the ice that came up that didn't melt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		What it felt like.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		You get a lot of electronic equipment and you get those do-not-eat packets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		The desiccant?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Ever take the desiccant out of the packet?
		No, never.
		Well, if you take it out there and you feel the desiccant between your fingers, that's kind of what it felt like.
		That's the best thing I could describe it.
		I had that sort of...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've always just thrown those away.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, you don't eat them, obviously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So it just struck me there that I'm trying to describe this thing in the detail that I can, and so I just led back to the desiccant.
		But we open up the crate, and the sheep is dead.
		It looks like a sheep.
		It looks like a normal sheep over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's dead.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It's dead.
		There's no sign of life.
		You poke at it.
		There's nothing going on with this sheep here.
		He's dead.
		Well, I'm saying here, but that's a generic key.
		And I don't know from sheep.
		Show Me a sheep, I can't tell what it is.
		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Me either.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		But we take it out of the box, and the one of the best lays it on the table that we have over there, and he is going to dissect the sheep.
		Now, on the outside, the sheep look just fine.
		You know, that the hair, you know, that the wool, whatever a sheep has, looks fine.
		Look like we said, the sheep looked like how he looked when we sent him into the hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Minus a bump on the head, yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
		Well, and he stirred from that.
		But he started cutting into the sheep, and it looked like the sheep had been cooked.
		It was, the flesh was hot underneath, you know, when he started cutting through this sheep here.
		It looked like the sheep had been cooked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Now these bass guys, they're pretty good at butchering a sheep there, and they know their way around a sheep, and so they pretty much can butcher a, and they know what to expect when you open up a sheep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		You know, so, you know, we've got the sheep on this table that we eat at, and, you know, this guy is cutting the sheep open here, and he gets it so he can look inside and see the internal organs like he's going to eviscerate the sheep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Except they're not what we expected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It looks like there was gel in the cavity there.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And something that looked like this huge tumor and almost taking up the entire length of the body cavity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's pretty hideous.
		Oh, God.
		I didn't.
		I'm getting kind of sick.
		I get kind of sick thinking about this thing, too, but I was getting kind of sick when I was there.
		So I wasn't as close to all of this as I would want to be if I was a scientific observer.
		But there's this huge tumor taking up most of the where the internal organs would be, so forth, the heart, the lungs, whatever parts the sheep comes with, they weren't there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what are these bapt guys who are doing this saying at this point?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, some of them are muttering plenty of expletives over here.
		And they're freaked out there.
		And I remember saying, see, I told you you didn't want to go into that hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the two guys who volunteered my first hour are probably rethinking it right now, too.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, if they want to collect on some life insurance, fine, go for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what one of them said, yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, so we've got this gel, and the guy's good with a knife here, and he kind of is able to get the tumor out of this thing here.
		And I say it's about as big as the sheep's cavity.
		I don't know, two feet long?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, the tumor was almost taking up the entire inside of the...
unidentified		What?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it had movement to it, and I'm going to describe it like a heart beating.
		There's not a beating of a heart.
		Just like a pulsing from this tumor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A pulsing tumor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God, Mel.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		So we get to the point where we got this tumor out there, and he's working on trying to cut it open.
		It's really a tough thing to cut into.
		But he was finally able to get into it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And, boy, I'm going to tell you here, he opens it up there, and inside this tumor is what it appeared to be a fetal seal.
		Like, you know, like a fetal what?
		A fetal seal, like a pinniped, a thing that lives in the ocean and balances balls on his nose.
unidentified		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It's about 18 inches long.
		You know, it's got the flippers on it.
		And it looks like a little seal.
		It looks just like basically your little seal.
		Except it had what, and I don't know, I don't want people to freak out, but it had what looked to me like human eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Like, like, you know, a human being.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know what, like, cat eyes look like?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		You know what dog eyes look like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what seal eyes look like, but I know what human eyes look like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure you do.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And this thing looks like it had human eyes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And the thing was alive, but it was connected to the tumor, like with this umbilical cord.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy mackerel mill.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And we could see the seal moving his eyes, and it was, and I'm calling it a seal, okay, but I have no idea what the heck this thing is, okay?
		I'm calling it a seal.
		But it's opening its eyes, it's closing its flippers are moving, it's still connected to its tumor there.
		And then we noticed, and I noticed, that it seemed to be studying us.
		It seemed to be looking at us.
		That was the feeling I got.
		It seemed to be regarding us while we were looking at it.
		And so that's the feeling I got off of this seal.
		And then this thing separated from the tumor without our assistance.
		We thought, well, maybe we'll cut this thing free.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right there on the table.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It's right there, and it moved about a little on the table.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		You know, so we're all standing back at that point because this thing is loose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It'll be way back.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, we're watching this seal.
		And again, that's the only way I could describe it because it looked like a seal to me.
		And then I felt, well, I just felt I was in the presence of something extraordinary, something beyond extraordinary, something like, I don't know.
		I'm not a religious man, but it felt in that category of having a religious thing there.
		This was just such a stunning thing to witness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, something that far from our understanding would appear to be magic or religion or whatever you want to call it, I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so what did what, God's name happened to this thing?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, we left it there and it began to, you know, it just kind of looked at us there.
		And, you know, one of the Basques suggested we kill it, you know, and, you know, just kind of club it unfortunately.
		And but, you know, Is that what they did?
		No, basically cooler heads prevailed.
		If The thing was moving around on the table and it finally moved to the edge of the table.
		It was kind of like struggling, but it got to the edge of the table.
		And it looked like it was going to fall off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		So I go up to it at this point because I'm just like out of my head with, I don't know what I'm in the presence of.
		And it looked directly at me when I got up to it.
		And it seemed, you know, it just seemed to have a contact with me.
		And I got this compelling feeling to pick it up and place it on the ground.
		And I did that.
		I took this thing and I put it on the ground by a table.
		And my hands were slimy from this the seal.
		Because it had like this goo that was not only in the cavity, but also inside the tumor.
		And I'm just calling it a tumor because I have no vocabulary for this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And I just moved my hands past my face before I decided to wipe them off on the rag at the table there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And it smelled like ozone.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Ozone smells like ozone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ozone, of course I do, yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		That's what it smelled like when I, because I thought it would be some like sort of weird, organic-y smell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		You know, some sort of like disgusting.
		I just thought it would smell disgusting.
		It smelled like ozone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		So this thing is lying on the ground, and we're all looking at this thing here, and it's like looking at each of us in turn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, intelligently.
unidentified		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		We must have been there just absolutely transfixed by this, I'll call it a creature now, for like two hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just doing during those two hours?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It was studying each one of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't moving around that much?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Just its head.
		Because we had gathered, well, this is cowardly, but a safe distance away from it, but not too safe, you know.
		So we could easily see it, and they could easily see us.
		Because at this point here, even the bravest Basque were like, you know, kind of freaked out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd have been long gone, Mel.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, the Basque are great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, hold it.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Hold on here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it.
		Hold it right there, Mel.
		Here's this thing on the ground now.
		Not moving around much, but carefully studying each and every one of them who by now retreated to a safe distance.
		That's where we'll pick up when we get back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I knew that Mel had found another hole, but I didn't know anything about all of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is incredible.
unidentified		Pretty freaky stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A number of questions for Mel.
		We'll try and get to the phones in this last half hour.
		Everybody, stay right where you are.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AF.
unidentified		sad noises
		Now we take you back to the night of January 29th, 2002, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell Once again, Mel Waters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So here is this thing staring at each and every one of you, examining you, obviously intelligent in some way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it looks like a seal, not like a sheep at all.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Something like a sheep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		that came out of this godforsaken tumor that was in this thing.
unidentified		What did you...
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, I got the seal, and he's kind of grinding, waddles around a little bit in the direction of the hole, and then he's just sort of watching us some more, and we're sort of at a safe distance, but we kind of encroach upon a little bit there.
		And I'm telling the Basque, hey, you're the big, brave Basque here.
		Don't be afraid of this thing here.
		I'm just an ordinary old guy here.
		So, you know, we did.
		We went up to it there, and it just looked at us here.
		And the look that it was giving us was the only way I can describe it, it was like the most compassionate look that I'd ever seen from any face.
		It just, the way the eyes were looking and feeling this.
		And so some amount of time elapsed, and the little seal there starts to waddle again towards the hole, and I get this feeling that it wants to go up on the ledge, on the collar.
		So I pick it up in my hands, and I set it right there on there.
		It moves around a little bit, and then at this point, we're pretty comfortable with this thing.
		I am.
		And my comrades there are pretty comfortable with it.
		I mean, we're not, like, freaked out anymore like we were.
		And maybe it's just, you know, we're over the shock, or maybe we are in shock.
		But that look that was giving us, it didn't seem like an evil thing or a horrible thing.
unidentified		Yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		So it's up there, and then it moves around.
		I don't know, maybe an hour he's on the, he, it's on the left.
		He's on the collar.
		It looks at us.
		It actually nodded at us.
		It made like a slow nod.
		And it turned around and went back into the hole.
		At this point, we were close to it, so we watched him go all the way down as far as we could see.
		And we didn't have high-powered lights or anything, so no sound, nothing like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Into the hole, and that was it.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Into the hole.
		And so we were all just moved, just drained.
		I'm drained telling you this art because it is such an enormous thing to go through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I realize it sounds like an unbelievable tale from Alien or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean it sounds...
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		All I can do now is to relay it and then try to stand back from it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, question for you, Mel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does anybody have any photographs of this hole?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I went up there from the natives to the hole.
		I basically camped at that property.
		I didn't come and go.
		No one came and go.
		We had what we had over there.
		And so we didn't bring photographs.
		Personally, I didn't want to, you know, I thought to myself, look, this would be great.
		We get this all on film, on video, whatever.
		But I did not want to encroach upon what they had.
		And if they came to me and said, look, look, Mel, why don't we go to town, go home, get our stuff, you know, and try to video, you know, fine.
		I would have said that.
		But I was not going to broach the subject with them.
		You know, I mean, I mean, to me, it was an enormous privilege to go where I'd gone at that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At this point, are you likely to go back to the hole?
unidentified		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		You're going to?
		I will.
		I will let you know that at first we decided, we thought we would bury the sheep's carcass and the tumor.
		We still had that.
		And we decided it was just best to take the whole thing and put everything back into the hole where it all came from.
		So I just, you know, we just let it be.
		We had a tarp on the, we just dumped the whole everything back into the hole where it came from.
		I didn't know what else to do.
		Again, we thought about burying it, and it just didn't, I don't know, it just didn't seem right that I thought it would, and so that's what we did.
		I want to tell you something that is, I believe, related to this experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And that is prior to going to Nevada, and this was in late August, I was diagnosed with a particularly lethal form of esophageal cancer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm so sorry.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		This was a six, you know, like the kind that does you have six months to live, but, you know, they're just telling you that.
		You know, that there's, you know, like nothing they can do about it, but it was very fast, fast growing.
		And one of the reasons I came back here was to see the same doctor, because I started feeling a lot better.
		And my last examination with the doctor finds me cancer-free.
		I can't explain it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you could document this, right?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		He had that, yes, yes, because they had whatever stuff diagnosing the cancer.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And I went back to the doctor and they could find no evidence of any cancer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it your feeling that your proximity to the hole or something about the hole changed this?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I think it was the seal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The seal?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I think it was the seal.
		The seal?
		I described this thing as this huge tumor.
		And that's what I had.
		But I described it as a tumor because that was the only vocabulary I had to describe it with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And I handled this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right, you did.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And I smelled the ozone from it.
		And it just, the look that it gave me, there was something going on.
		I can't say, look, I was communing with this seal and I was, you know, had this conversation with this seal.
		No, I can't say that.
		But what I can say is that I had this feeling of such incredible compassion from this seal that ultimately went back into the hole.
		We just said, oh, you know, that was it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what was the conversation like after all this was over, Mel, between the Basques and the Native Americans and yourself?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, well, first of all, the Basques that I were with, they were young guys, okay.
		And you know, I think before this, kind of your kind of shiftless sort of characters, you know, partiers and all of that, and they were like just profoundly moved.
		I mean, they were just had stuff going on in their mind after that that, you know, they had been to another place, another time, another, anything.
		Their reality had been all changed.
		Now, I had the opportunity before I left Nevada to speak right before I left.
		You know, I went back into civilization and spoke with a Basque elder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And this was the elderly fellow that I was referring to that told me some of the history of that.
		That he was in there, you know, for, you know, he remembered it from being a young man and he described it to me and all of this stuff here.
		And we had just an agreement because his thing was he himself would go there to that area for spiritual connection, that there was something very spiritual, very primal that was going on.
		He was a tough guy to talk to in some ways because he was more schooled in Basque than he was in English.
		But he got English out enough for me to understand.
		And so we talked actually at great length about the meaning of this.
		We did have some of the Native American people that I was working with at that particular thing.
		This was kind of like a party sort of atmosphere out there.
		We were drinking what they like to drink and eating the good basque food and all of that.
		It was a good experience there to kind of decompress from all of this.
		But he could not relate to me any experience like what we had, except he knew he almost expected what it was that I was telling him.
		I mean, he just totally, firmly, completely believed what it was that I was telling him.
		There was no surprise to him at all in this thing here.
		I got this really old bass guy there, and he's just taking all this astride and nodding.
		So he knows there's something enormous of great enormity there.
		And my goal is to go back.
		I have agreed to work with the people I was working with with the herbs and live amongst them and spend some time with the tribal members and some time with the Basque and spend it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to do anything else with the Hulk itself?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		With the one in Nevada?
unidentified		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, at this point, I don't know what we're going to do.
		I come back.
		I'm overjoyed that I'm cancer-free.
		I felt so good after that experience that I knew something happened to my body, so I was glad to get back and have it confirmed that the doctor said yes.
		But I do plan to go back.
		I do plan to study it.
		I hope to be a better human being about this and not send innocent animals into it or what have you.
		To me, I guess I still can't believe that I allowed that to happen, but I did, you know, and well, I appreciate your telling the story straight out this way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the only way to do it.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		That's the only way to do it.
		And I got to tell you, I'm not selling a book.
		Obviously.
		I don't have a newsletter.
		There are no Mel's hole t-shirts, Mel's hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not that you produce anyway, I think.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Well, nothing that I have done.
		there are no Mel's Hold diaper pails or anything like that.
		I mean, to me...
		Well, I mean, you know, they will commercialize everything in the world, and I have no part of this.
		This has been just an extraordinary ride for me.
		It has been like nothing I could have ever imagined in anyone's life.
		To go where I'd been, to be where I was, to go up, to go down, to be in the presence of such an amazing thing.
		And my only goal is to leave a permanent record of what happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how closely are you willing to identify the location of this new hole?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, just northern Nevada, is that as?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to put it there.
		I don't want the tribal people up there to be overwhelmed by people rushing out of Reno to get up there and do on all of that.
		I am going to go back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think you could politely approach the Basque and without identifying the specific area, get photographs?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		If I feel comfortable, I will do that.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I will also, at this point, and I just have a little bit of what I have that happened in my Nevada experience left, but I know we're running out of time, is that anyone that can help me understand some of these things, if they can send an email to me, I'd appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have an email address, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It's Mel Waters at ATTBI.
		That's like all igloo.
		B-I.
		A-T-T-B-I dot com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's MelWaters at ATT.
		That's TomTom.
		He is in boy.
		I is in India.
		A T T B I dot com.
		Right.
		And Mel Waters at ATTBI.com.
		What is it you want?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I cannot promise, you know, like a whole, you know, like to maintain a dialogue with people.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		But for other people out there that have had any type of understanding of this that could make some sense to me, that knows what's going on, I'm going to listen with fascination to your program on the hollow earth business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Because that's something I don't know about, but I sure like to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there may be a relationship, obviously.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And so that I'm going to look at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, I mean, what do you want in email?
		Do you want some support?
		Oh, yes.
		You're going to get media contacts?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		What I really want is the people that have good, serious opinions about this, that understand from this.
		I described a lot of things that occurred.
		I don't understand any of them.
		I only described them.
		You know, I mean, going back to what I started with talking about Ellensburg and bringing it up to today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I get it.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I'll put it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want somebody who might understand all of this.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And that, you know, may have been studying these types of matters, that have had theories, whatever.
		That's good.
		But I'm going to be away from civilization for a good part of time.
		So it's going to be difficult.
		Because I'm going to be going back probably mid-March, mid-February, mid-March, somewhere in that timeline.
		And I'm going to go up there for a period of time.
		I'll probably give you another contact when I get back to some sort of civilization, probably from Nevada.
		But I probably will get in touch with you again.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By all means, Mel, please, try and see if they will allow you, I mean, without identifying the area, just to get some kind of...
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Is this one like a photo?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some kind of photographic evidence.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Now I'm going to be afraid that people are going to be scouring that terror server now that I get that out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they probably will.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I want to bring the final thing, because we were talking about the Basque elder that I was talking to.
		It was a very profound experience for me to talk with him.
		And though he was not that much older than me, I felt that he was a great deal older than me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wiser.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Beyond that.
		So I know I could respect that.
		But we were sitting there and talking well into the night, drinking that good Basque drink that they like to drink and all that good stuff.
unidentified		Yeah.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And he got tired, and he was going to retire for the night.
		And he took my hand to clasp it.
		And in my hand, he put something in my hand when he was leaving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And he closed my hand.
unidentified		Yes.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And he just told me, put that away.
unidentified		So he said, put that away.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		So I just put it in my pocket and sat around talking with his family.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And someone said, aren't you going to look at what, you know, the great-great-grandfather gave you?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		And I said, oh, okay.
		And so I take it out of my pocket.
		And it's a 1943 Roosevelt dime.
		They told me he had found a similar packet of Roosevelt dimes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Up there in Nevada.
		Chinese red envelope.
		And they said, and I said to him, I said, you know how valuable this thing is?
		I said, you know what this would sell at a coin auction?
		They said, no, you have to have it.
		You need to have this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have it now?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I have it.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		It's in my hand as we speak.
unidentified		How about a photograph of that now?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		If I can scan a 1943 dime, you will have it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or get somebody who's got a really good quality digital camera, go to the macro setting and take a very close photograph of it.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Close up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you do that?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I will do everything I can to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know my email address, right?
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		We can do that.
		But that's what he left me with.
		And he said to me that it was very, very, very important.
		Or they told me, because they finished the rest of it.
		Told me this was something I had to have.
		Now, I hadn't told them anything.
		In fact, outside the fellow in Ellensburg, no one else knew about the dimes and the red envelope.
		But he found one out there.
		And he had it for years.
		I think he had it since the 40s, to be honest with you.
		you know 43.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mel, all I can tell you is we are out of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is one hell of a story.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I am drenched.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I can tell.
		I can hear it in your voice.
		Mel, thank you for being here tonight.
		Thanks for catching us up on what was and what is.
		Oh my gosh.
		Okay.
		Take care, my friend, and I really mean take care.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		I will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
mel waters ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yikes.
		All right, from the high desert, I have no further comments.
		I'm Art Bell.

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