Mel Waters reveals two 80,000-foot-deep holes—one near Ellensburg, Washington, where $3M/year property leases and a 1943 "B" mint mark Roosevelt dime (possibly a Berlin prototype) were tied to his forced relocation to Australia in 1997. The Nevada hole, lined with silent, heat-absorbing metal, emitted a black beam of light and defied physics when ice lowered inside later combusted. A sheep experiment yielded a tumor containing a seal-like creature with human eyes, which Waters links to curing his esophageal cancer. Locals—Basque shepherds and Native Americans—avoid the sites, citing decades-old warnings, while truckers deliver Livermore Lab materials nearby. Waters plans further study but urges caution, framing these anomalies as potential gateways to unexplained phenomena. [Automatically generated summary]
Good afternoon, wherever you may be in all 24 time zones covered by this radio program, which is coast to coast and should be called coast to coast to coast AM.
Here we are in the middle of the night, as usual.
This is kind of cool.
Now, as you know, I keep you informed as the ratings coming in.
These are Arbitron ratings.
And kind of an interesting situation occurred in Nashville, Tennessee, where we were on WWTM, and we switched over to WLAC in Nashville, a 50,000-watt giant blowtorch in Nashville.
And we just got the ratings for Nashville because that, you know, this encompasses that change.
And this is fairly amazing, actually.
12 plus, that means all persons 12 years old or older.
We went from market position number 12 to market position number 1 in one book, boom.
And that would represent, we got to check this out for those of you who know about such things.
We went from a, they had a 2.2 share.
And then when our show came on, it rose to a 16.5 share, a 16.5 share, a 715% increase.
That may be right on up there with the biggest gains ever seen in history.
I mean, they can happen in smaller cities and towns, but something that's nice in Nashville, plus the fact that there we are, number one.
2,554 from number 10 in the market to number one, a 333.3% increase.
So it is interesting that in Music City, you know, which is, I mean, when you go to Nashville, and I've been there, you know, the cabbies sing country music.
Everybody sings in Nashville.
And somehow, in this overnight slot, WLAC has gone straight up to number one, and that's past all the other AM and FM, even country stations.
And that's almost impossible.
But there it is.
So, let's see.
News.
The President, in his first State of the Union address, promises to eradicate terrorists and the terrorist economy, our recession.
He's got very high approval ratings for what he has done thus far.
He also warned of an axis of evil of nations like North Korea, Iran, Iraq, and said the U.S. would not allow them to threaten the world with weapons of mass destruction.
House Minority Leader Dick Gevhard expressed steadfast support for the president's war on terrorism, outlined a Democratic agenda that differs with the Republicans somewhat on how to recover from our economic woes.
It was pretty woeful on Wall Street.
We'll get to that today.
In fact, here now.
247.51 points down the Dow.
NASDAQ, 50.95.
Well, it's like you can hear him scream, can't you?
Enron Corporation acknowledging on Tuesday that it just might have failed to disclose to Congress about half the money the energy company spent on Lotting Son of a gun.
Half the money.
Now, it's hard to forget that kind of money.
That had total at least $1.6 million for the first part of last year.
Serious money.
They may have forgotten to tell about Congress to about half that, so.
Or representing that much money.
My, my, my, my.
A man demanding $50,000, claiming to have a gun, took nine employees hostage in a suburban L.A. bank on Tuesday.
All escaped before the suspect surrendered and is believed to be in his 30s.
Walked into a bank branch, told employees he was armed, demanded the money.
Governor Jeff Bush's 24-year-old daughter arrested at a pharmacy drive-through window Tuesday on charges of trying to buy the anti-anxiety drugs Annex with a fraudulent prescription.
That's Noel Bush.
Mike Tyson, out of it.
He was denied a boxing license Tuesday by the Nevada Athletic Commission.
Over the hill from me here means Tyson cannot challenge WBCIBF heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis.
So that one's off.
Here's one now that's kind of interesting.
Are you ready to duck?
A 7,000-pound satellite is to fall to Earth sometime or another this week.
Though NASA says probably, probably now, keyword, will not hit any populated areas.
That's a 7,000-pound satellite.
Now, only a few pieces of metal are expected to hit Earth, but they're pretty good pieces.
It's the Extreme Ultraviolet Explorer, and it has explored.
It is now on its way home, and it is falling at about 15 miles a day, a rate of about 15 miles a day, from an orbit about 124 miles out.
And of course, you know, they try to say soothing things, but they have no idea where it's going to be actually coming down.
In fact, the re-entry point is expected to be determined about 12 hours prior to the final fall, which means as of right now, they have no idea where it's going to go.
I think they make these predictions based on the probability, since what is it, two-thirds of our world or something is water right, the odds of it actually hitting the water are pretty good.
The odds of it hitting something else are at least substantial, and they don't talk that part out.
Let's see, as NASA engineers say it was possible that up to nine stainless steel and titanium pieces, ah, that's an interesting metal weighing up to 100 pounds, will in fact reach the Earth's surface.
So what can I tell you?
Here's a pretty interesting piece of news.
You're not going to believe this.
The prolific king of horror, Stephen King, said that he may be hanging it up.
There was an interview in Sunday's LA Times.
He said after he publishes five more books, two of which already are scheduled for 2002, including a collection of short stories as well as work on a limited series for ABC, he's ending his career in publishing.
Then that's it, he said.
I'm done.
Done writing books.
Why?
They asked.
Well, you get to a point where you get to the edge of a room and you can go back and go where you've been and basically recycle stuff, he said, referring to the novel from a Buick 8 scheduled for release in the fall.
He noted, I've seen it in my own work.
People, when they read Buick 8, are going to think, Christine, it's about a car that's not normal.
He added, you can either go out on top, top of my game, or not.
So he says he will leave it.
But I don't think so.
Nevertheless, based on the even slim possibility that Stephen King might not write anymore, perhaps my network would be willing to go to work on trying to get Mr. King on the air.
I would very much like to interview Stephen King.
I wonder if he would be interested in doing a long forum interview.
That's what we do here, long forum interviews.
They're very different, very much more fun for the people being interviewed because you're not reduced to sound bites as you are on TV.
Even the very best of television, and that's Larry King, you know, in a full hour, you get some substance out on Larry King.
Otherwise, television is a wash.
You just, you know...
But here on radio, where we really have the time to get down and find out what somebody's all about, where you really get a feel for the person, I'd love to interview Stephen King if he's really...
I predict that.
He might give it up, say, I quit, that's it, and go away for a while.
But then he'll start thinking.
And before you know it, he'll think of some new horror diddy that he can write that becomes day by day by day more irresistible.
And every time he passes a computer with a word processor, a typewriter, however he does it, you know, he'll be drawn to it.
It'll be stronger and stronger.
And eventually we'll have a Stephen King back, I would predict.
But you never know.
I mean, some people do that and just they're gone.
Again, reminding you, if you didn't hear it last night, a representative, Dennis Kucinich, has rewritten H.R. 2977, which originally called for the end to chemtrails, particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasmas, extreme low frequency, energy, mind control technologies, and all of that has now been written out of the bill.
You can check it out.
I think we've got a link on the website that will tell you all about it.
At any rate, that's it.
He's changed his entire bill as far as we are concerned.
The things that interested us, which we were so amazed at, they're all gone.
I wonder if the representative, and now he's probably not going to want to do the interview, right?
We're going to interview him here.
I bet he won't do it now.
Because we'd have to ask questions like, who came to visit you, Representative?
How come you put it in in the first place?
And Representative, if you put it in in the first place, it must have been because you were concerned about these things.
You'd have heard of them, obviously, or we would not have put them in your bill.
What political pressure or government pressure caused you to remove all of them?
I mean, questions like that.
Now, of course, if he's willing to answer questions like that, I'm certainly in a mood to ask them.
More in a moment.
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More in a moment.
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Looking for the truth?
You'll find it on Coast2Coast AM with George Norrie.
What's happening out there?
I sense it, people sense it, they call the program, there's something going on.
It is not our imagination, and the best minds of our time are telling us in no uncertain terms that we are living the greatest number of crises ever to face humankind.
And they're telling us, George, that we've got to act, or not much else is going to make any difference.
Now we take you back to the night of January 29th, 2002, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Do you remember we started to have a problem with frogs here in the U.S.?
Remember that?
Scientists say now, they are now certain that the disease which has killed millions of British frogs is caused by some kind of virus.
The disease, which began in southeast England, has crossed the Scottish border hundreds of kilometers to the north.
The animals' paws and feet drop off and they die a protracted, painful death.
But money to research the outbreak and possible remedies has now run out.
Aye, aye, aye.
It's described as a living death.
The animals take a considerable time to die, and there are some indications their numbers are permanently depressed in some areas.
The ends of their limb extremities, their hands and feet drop off.
They hemorrhage, sores, open sores develop.
They get thin and emasculated, and they die.
BBC Wildlife magazine published the research showing that some sort of virus is, they believe, responsible.
So you just don't get to get a lot of news about what's going on in Europe here in the U.S., especially since 911 and all the rest of it.
You just don't get to hear this unless you listen to the BBC, not a bad idea, as well as other foreign broadcasts, or you listen to this program because I try and get as much of what seems relevant on the air as I can.
In the next hour, Mel Waters is going to be here.
That's right, Mel Waters, Mel's Hole.
Because we rebroadcast some time ago, a couple of weeks ago, the show with Mel, it regenerated.
It just went nuts.
You know, the amount of response around here went berserk about Mel's Hole all over again, and he got hold of it.
He got hold of the fact, I guess he was out driving somewhere, heard us doing the program, and got hold of the network, and incredibly, unbelievably, impossibly, some might suggest, one man appears to have discovered two endless holes.
He says he's found another endless hole with some really weird properties.
Now, you've got to ask yourself, what are the odds of any one guy finding two bottomless pits?
And normally I would say there's zero.
However, once you have found and have become famous for finding one, it's entirely possible that somebody would lead you to another if it existed.
Now, that would appear to be what's happened here.
In other words, I don't think he personally found it.
But being the whole guy, you know, they would come to you if they had a hole.
Here is an item that alleges to have been on eBay.
In fact, I have the item number here back in September.
It was item 1641798199, if it's real.
And basically, it was called I Will Kick Your Ass.
When you give out your email address, believe me, on this program, that has meaning.
And you're going to be busy for a while.
Maybe even a year.
So just find anybody who's got a computer.
They're awfully prolific now.
In fact, you can see the world turning.
And by that, I mean businesses now are finding up to a quarter or even a third of their business is coming to them by the internet.
That's right.
From a quarter to a third of a lot of businesses are done, and some are done exclusively on the internet.
So you gotta wonder what's gonna happen to the mall, huh, when everybody finally gets to the point where they can just do all their shopping from their chair.
And it's pretty close right now.
How's that going to impact all the malls across America, Canada?
And since then, I've been in like four car wrecks, and when I was young, I fell out of probably a three-story tree, and I didn't hit a single branch on the way down, and I got up without a scratch on me.
And in all my car wrecks, I have never had a scratch on me.
Another wreck, me and my brother and my two sisters were in the car.
We went over onto the other side of the road.
We jumped completely over, over about a five-foot fence.
Yes.
Two and a half revolutions in the air.
Yes.
The car was upside down on a cement slab.
Oh, my God, you should be dead.
Facing the other direction, and we all come out without a scratch.
And my dad is a firefighter, and he has a lot of friends that are firefighters that have come and look at the wreck that said people actually were alive afterwards.
Well, then there are a number of ways you could look at your entity.
Without your entity, you would have been dead long ago.
Or your entity is having a good old time with you.
And or, did you see the movie Unbreakable?
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Yes, I did.
Have you considered that?
I don't think so, because I do have one scar from whenever I had a glass jar dropped off a shelf and hit the side of my face, and I have just that one scar.
But it's not, I don't think that's a shadow person.
Shadow people, by their very nature, are not light beings.
They are described as dark, in fact, almost black, indiscernible from black, and come in various sizes, shapes, and forms, but never as beings of light.
So I think that's perhaps a guardian angel, although a question worth asking would be, with all of these accidents, one after another after another, that should have been fatal, if your guardian angel was really on the ball, why didn't your guardian angel stop those in the first place instead of just allowing you to come out of all of them without even a scratch?
Now, just out of curiosity, if you come right up against Bigfoot, I mean, meet Bigfoot face to face or whatever it is that Bigfoot has, what will you do?
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Well, we don't want to hurt the animal because that would be detrimental to their species, especially since we don't have enough evidence to know how many of them that we've had, you know, that are in this area.
We did have a Forest Service ranger had seen a female up on the tower that he works at right in this area.
All right, in the subject header of the email that you send me, because I get a lot of emails, sir, put something like Bigfoot Researcher or something like that.
Well, I'm certainly familiar with the term watchers.
Let's hear how you apply it.
What do you call a watcher?
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Oh, something that we feel is, we live in a very dense area along the Fox River, and there's something that feels like it's just staring at you at times, and there's other times it just seems to be really calm.
I just stepped outside here right now, and I'm looking out in the woods, and I just heard a very strange animal that I've never heard before in my life.
Well, I think you're both crazy as loons, but okay, as you would have it.
Life is always precious, no matter what state you're in, pretty much.
There may be an extreme there to be talked about, but I mean, people who have most of their faculties and their brain intact and the ability to move about, which you would have, legs or not, troubling legs or not.
It's a little early to give it all up, to be lowered into an endless hole, and I don't think Lloyd's, well, they might.
Walcart Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
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Hello, Art.
I'm a second-time caller.
And I was listening to your show one night last week when they were talking about the animal mutilations.
And someone said that they thought your guest thought it was maybe the government cutting out parts of the animals to analyze for certain trace whatever elements.
Well, that is one theory that they're being taken out here out west to determine the effects of nuclear testing or some people think environmental degradation is measured by cutting up cows and testing stuff.
You know, there's a lot of theories.
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Yeah, but then I wondered if we couldn't ask your listeners if there's a higher incidence of certain types of illnesses that would reflect those type of chemicals or contaminants.
There are a million studies about new emerging diseases and problems with both animals and people.
And that's why there is so much speculation that these mutilations might be some sort of environmental testing to see what is out there or what is changing or what effects have occurred on those exposed to God knows what.
East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
Hello.
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Hi, Art.
Hey, I'm in Fort Myers, Florida.
I've called you before, but I'm a security officer down here.
Well, I would be very careful about calling the police on anybody with the ability to disappear.
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Yeah, well, this guy, though, finally a resident was out here, and he witnessed it, too.
He couldn't believe it.
You know, I mean, so anyway, I'm going to try to get this guy if he ever comes around again and let him call you because I asked him in front of the resident, you know, as a witness.
Nell Waters has appeared on Coast to Coast and several times over the years now.
Many may remember his accounts of the mysterious hole on his property in central Washington, which appeared to Have no bottom.
The hole was, by Mel's account, measured to a depth of 80,000 feet utilizing fishing line and a weight.
Since Mel's first appearance on the show, many strange, fascinating, and rather unfortunate things have happened to Mel and the people somehow related to the hole.
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in a moment it's back to Mel's Hole and more Looking for the truth?
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People sense it.
They call the program.
There's something going on.
I can't put my finger on it, but I feel it.
How about you?
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Now we take you back to the night of January 29th, 2002, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
First of all, it's great to hear from you, and I guess we heard from you, Mel, because were you out somewhere when we did a rebroadcast of the original Mel's whole thing?
Yeah, out near Ellensburg, Washington, the center of Washington State, up near the Manastash Ridge, which is sort of like the mountain range that runs along where Ellensburg is in the Kittitasse Valley.
And so you've got a valley.
You've got mountain ranges and ridges and so forth.
And that's basically where the property is located out there.
Basically, this was back in 97, so this was five years ago almost, that I sent the facts to the show here, and basically I described what I had done about this hole and how I lowered some fishing line into it, because quite frankly, for years and years and years and years and years, people were dumping stuff into the holes.
I'm talking refrigerators.
I'm talking dead animals.
My favorite thing to toss in there was TV picture tubes.
But no matter what we tossed in there, we never heard anything hit mob.
then let us proceed and so i i thought it was so that you you through t_v_ picture to them but i mean i remember cows going down and I had a little Mexican fellow that used to throw literally truckloads of tires down there.
And there was enough, the hole was big enough so that you could throw something down and you wouldn't hear it cascading off the side.
My wife was becoming estranged for me, so she wasn't hanging around or anything.
I was just sort of out there at the property doing, you know, just to satisfy my own curiosity.
And basically at the point where I had reached 80,000 feet of line into the hole.
And I had a little, for lack of a better word, I had a little widget that kept track of, it's just like a little, it's not a mechanical, it's like a mechanical digital counter.
But it was made for measuring how much line goes down.
So I knew exactly how much line I'd put into the hole at that point.
Well, yeah, and I believe what I had noted was that my dogs wouldn't have anything to do with it.
They wouldn't go anywhere near it.
The birds didn't mess with the retaining wall.
That's the kind of place birds like to go.
They didn't go anywhere near it.
There were people that told me various things that when I talked to them about it, one man claimed he had thrown a dog that died into it.
And at some point after that, he was out there hunting around up there in the hills, and he saw the same exact same dog just going through the woods like it was hunting with somebody else.
There was quite a period of time there where after the program, all hell had broken loose.
And I was going back to the hole.
I actually wasn't living.
When I had talked to you originally, I was not living on the property.
We had just had a really major snowstorm, like two feet of snow in 24 hours, and most of my trailer buildings and stuff were all caved in on the property.
So it was a real, real mess out there.
Anyway, I'd taken an apartment in town.
And so, you know, it was the next day or whatever.
I go back there, and, you know, I'm driving up to my property.
And even before I get anywhere near the property, I'm met by basically uniform people who are telling me that there was a plane crash on my property, that they have to investigate and clear the accident, and that I'm, you know, not to, you know, they will let me know when I can come back.
And, you know, I said, you know, I mean, I'm no dummy.
I'm looking around.
I don't see any smoke.
I don't smell any smoke.
And I didn't see any evidence of what would be a plane crash.
So I'm pretty much believing they're handing me a bill of goods.
Right.
And, you know, I said, look, this is my property.
I want to get onto it.
And basically, there were some threats made against me that, you know, I was being told that it would be fairly easy for people to find a drug lab on my property there.
I'm basically a man who deals in herbs and Native American herbal medicine.
And, you know, I had agreed for them to let me relocate in Australia, a place that I love and actually wish I can go back to, but that's neither here nor there.
So you had taken the money, and I figured you were probably sipping martinis in some nice, aussy outback location with lots of nice, young Australian and just having a nice life.
There was some strangeness that occurred on the bus.
There was an altercation.
From what appeared to me, there were policemen and transit people that came over there.
I was asked to give my statement.
I said, no, no, no.
I got to get back to Olympia, blah, blah, blah.
I can't miss the last bus.
They said, that's okay.
You can talk to us.
We'll drive you back in the van.
That was the last thing I remembered because when I had woke up, it was about 12 days later, and I was in a real seedy part of San Francisco, lying in an alley.
These winos were basically trying to get me to sing on the road again.
Well, what happened was that when I had gone back and I was with my nephew, I found out that I had been served with legal papers that said that basically the terms of my divorce with my former wife basically had been canceled.
I had lost my rights because of the various modifications that were made to the property after I was no Longer using the property.
Basically, septic systems were put in.
There was various paving that was done and modifications that basically I was not allowed to do.
Everyone was given a severance check because I had various students and various people working for me there because, you know, I'm not a veterinarian or anything like that.
So again, you can go through quite a bit of money there.
I was glad to do it.
I was glad to do it.
So there I am, basically lying in the gutter, no teeth.
I could still see the tape on my arms whereas they had taped down an IV or some sort of thing to it.
So I was out of it for the longest time.
And I contacted my nephew, and he managed to get me a bus ticket back north.
I mean, and amongst working with herbs and stuff, I'm kind of an itinerant jeweler as well, and I make things.
And I went back to Ellensburg, because I had sold a number of these similar belt buckles at the farmer's market and through little consignment jewelry stores in Ellensburg.
And so, sure enough, when I'm there, I run into a guy who's wearing one of my belt buckles.
And we dig up all kinds of things, bits of metal and stuff like that.
Well, I found one time when I was digging around there and just rooting around, I found one of these red Chinese lucky money envelopes, you know, the kind of Chinese give to each other on New Year's Day.
The guy offered him a huge amount of money, the coin dealer.
Here, I'm going to write you a very substantial check.
You give me the dime.
The guy says, let me think about it.
Okay, I'll give you my number.
You give me a call.
And, you know, and I'll let you know what I think.
To make a long story short, a day or two later, this guy is visited by Treasury officials there who said they have to confiscate this coin from him for some legal reason or another, so they took the coin away from this.
You know, the only thing that I even began to think about, you know, it's like over the years I didn't pay attention to it, but it was like, I don't know if you've ever noticed this, but in the middle of every intersection, you know, on the road, there's always a little pile of nuts and bolts.
So if a person were to go to this property, they would be halted or stopped before they could go on and make any sort of investigation or whatever, right?
I'm going to assume a number of things, since I have not actually gone anywhere within five miles of the property since then, that there's a chain-link fence around it.
There's probably a sign that says agricultural research do not enter or something like that.
That's what I'm going to assume.
Okay.
I'm also going to assume that what it looked like when I owned it or had it in my possession doesn't look like it now.
Well, yeah, I don't have that handy, but if you found Ellensburg and you zoomed out, so the picture got smaller, you will see where my property is, and it's very easy to see where it is.
I'll be damned if there isn't a big white block missing from the center of this part of the terra server in the Menatash area I can never say that the Manatash Menat anyway the area that he was talking about we've got the link up there on my site right now go to artbell.com go to program tonight's guest info and you will see related link terra server image of Ellensburg Washington and there is a big missing area now whether this is it or
I don't know.
We'll ask Mel in a moment, but it's on my website right now.
Thank you.
Sorry about that, Terra Server.
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a mistake, it's going to happen by a whistleblower, but it's not going to be an organized thing.
Governments won't do that.
And the reason why they won't do it is because they do not want us to know.
They think that they'll lose control of us if we know.
If you actually truly believed that we were being visited by extraterrestrials and you had categorical proof that it was happening, do you think you would listen to some of the bull that government throws out all the time?
Absolutely not.
You'd look toward the heavens, you'd say there's got to be a better way, and you would start doing your own thing.
And you would forget all about government control and everything else.
So the bottom line is government will never, ever disclose the true facts of UFOs.
Now we take you back to the night of January 29th, 2002, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Well, in this neck of the woods, there's one great big white blotted out area where I presume were I to be able to see it, and it does look like a very interesting area, actually.
Well, now, maybe my audience is not aware, but a television crew went up to Ellensburg after we did the last program and researched this.
And I'll be doggone.
They didn't find the hole, but they did find near the area where you were talking about a lot of military boot prints and all kinds of information that would indicate the military, in fact, had been there or was there.
And oh, by the way, one other thing, before we even get to that, Richard Hoagland called at the top of the hour and said, you know, what, Art, you're right.
Normal time travel could not explain what he just talked about, but there is one thing that could.
But he told me that all the guys that were there, that were in the office there and at the warehouse where he had unloaded this stuff, they were all Israelis.
Well, because of the kind of work you did, the metallic work you did in belt buckles and the herbs you grow, I can easily understand the connection you would have with some Native Americans.
And said, look, would you be interested in coming down and discussing with us, you know, what you're doing, the research that you're doing, and, you know, talk about, you know, I have no, believe me, Art, I have no commercial interest in this at all.
You know, there's not going to be a patented bottle of Mel's Magic Elixirs.
here okay fine this is this is their thing but we you know we swap notes we talked around a lot and there are some specific they knew who you were because of my program coverage and yeah okay and so I went down there and this was in early September of last year oh okay so this this is actually before 9-11.
Well, then it's obvious to me that they knew your reputation.
They knew the whole story of the hole, and the real motivation for inviting you down there, aside from the herbs and the rest of it, was that they had a hole of their own.
And if you looked at the picture of where the Monastash is in Washington, if you try to find similar pictures in Nevada, you probably find it there, too.
But anyway, so I'm up there, and this land is used by members of the Basque, B-A-S-Q-U-E community.
The Basque are interesting people, and they basically came out to your state and a couple of other states, basically, for raising sheep, of all things.
And so they are shepherds, and so I am introduced to what is now the second hole.
Okay, you're walking up to it, and what you see sticking out of the ground is a nine, well, the hole itself is the same dimension as the one in Ellsberg.
But the Basque tell me that this property, there, this hole here, has been there for all of their experience, that they have been there since the 1800s.
Just the way it is, but the same hole.
On not their land.
They don't own this land, Arctic.
This is probably government, U.S. government land.
This is interesting because a lot of the fellows that are there, and there was five of us that, you know, towards the end of it, we started with two and we ended up with five.
But what they say when they're up there, even in the wintertime, they can put their tent and sleeping bag right up against it to keep them nice and warm.
i'm going to call the thing on top of collar okay and that that that And it looked like there's notches in it, and it looked like you could lock something into place or line something up in it.
Well, actually, they didn't do anything with lowering, line it or anything to it, but they did relate to me the same phenomenons as that I had described.
If you had a flashlight and it was capable of throwing off a black, not a black light like we used to have back in the 60s, you know, with all that stuff, but black, solid black.
Yeah, gotcha.
that's what there's no way to describe it there's no I I have never personally witnessed the black beam.
I will tell you that this bucket, well, some of the bucket there, is still sitting there, as far as I know today, still doing what it was doing the day we put it into the ground and brought it up.
So this was September, and this is January now.
That's how long it's been doing what I call burning.
One guy took some of the stuff home.
He put it in his wood stove.
And he's got a cabin out there, and it gets damn cold where he is, and the thing has been keeping his place warm.
It will look like, if I understand combustion, it was like it was doing combustion in a different way than we would attribute combustion to mixing air with fuel and creating heat and flame.
But it was doing kind of the same thing, is what I'd like to say.
And it's been burning like that since, again, burning is the wrong word, but that's all I got for it.
I don't know how to describe this process since early September.
Again, a guy has, he took about a coffee can't worth of this stuff and took it home and put it in his wood stove in his cabin.
No, no, the metal itself, from what I can determine, and I mean, normally if you have a metal thing that's hollow, you could tap on it, and you would hear that it's hollow.
But with this thing here, you know, if you're beating on it with a tire iron, it doesn't make any noise, that doesn't give you a gauge as to whether it's hollow or not.
So it was one of those, you know, it was probably Richard Hoagland say, one of those synchronous moments there where, ooh, you know, I mean, I'm talking to this guy and he's talking to Mel Waters, you know, in the truck.
And then I hear myself, and it's like, hey, I mean, so it was just too much.
Well, again, one of the older Basque men that I talked to, and this was practically as I was heading out of town, told me that was a very, to him he felt it was a very spiritual place.
But he knew the thing from his youth, that it was there exactly the way it is.
And he was in his late 80s, so I'm assuming he's known it for 70 years.
So he's known it at least from the 30s.
And from what he tells me, it's been there as long as the Basque had been in that part of the country, and that goes well into the 1800s.
It has existed like that.
To be honest, the Native Americans that I talked to were aware of it, but they did not want to deal with it.
They did not want to interact with it.
Is that a good word?
All they would do is pick some of the various plants that I needed that were in the general vicinity of it, because I wanted very specific ones that I had recommended, and they knew of them.
Well, that's why I asked them for, you know, if they knew, you know, I described to them what it was, you know, and the shape of the things and the size of the area.
And they said, oh, yeah, we know that there.
But in terms of why the entree, I assume that the Native Americans knew about this all along there.
And I assume that they must have had some conversation with the Basque there that, you know, would this be okay?
Are you interested in this guy, blah, whatever.
And apparently there was no objection, so I have access to this property.
What about an experiment, Mel, similar to the one you did in Washington, lowering some sort of line, or better yet, some sort of camera on the end of a line?
Ah, well, now you see, in the hour preceding your opinion, Oh, did you?
Two people who would actually like to be lowered into such a hole.
Now, I know that you believed in the powers of the hole in Washington to the degree that in the original agreement, now voided, I suppose, you were to be, upon your death, buried by being dropped into the hole, right?
But one of these guys wanted to go into, you know, literally, he wanted to be lowered into the hole.
He wanted to, you know, be put in a gondola or something and lowered, you know, from the winch into the hole and go down as far as we had line, which again was 1,500 feet.
Well, there are obviously a lot of people like that, Mel, because I had two of them in the first hour of the program, and they said they would love to be lowered into such a hole.
And this one, if anything, this one sounds more attractive.
We had enough line, basically, to go that far, and it was stout enough to handle, you know, I'm no sheep guy, but I could pick up a sheep, so it must weigh about 120, 150 pounds.
So I guess about the size of a small human, wouldn't you say?
And something about a sheep coming up in a moment.
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And he had brought up the subject of a sheep, which apparently they were considering lowering 1,500 feet into the hole.
Now, we were having fun last week with Mel's Hole, talking about it a little bit.
We knew he was going to be on.
And somebody said, well, why not toss a cat down Mel's hole and see what happens?
Now, of course, you know, I'm a cat lover.
And so this is not cruelty because nobody is seriously suggesting tossing a cat down Mel's hole.
But some very creative person with a sound blaster and some talent and a little manipulation created what it would sound like if a cat were to be tossed into Mel's hole.
It's meant obviously as pure comedy.
This is not actually a cat being tossed into Mel's hole, but here is the way he represented it would sound.
It stirred by the time we got it crated up into the crate.
There was enough room for it to lie down, and I guess if it wanted to, it could stand up.
I don't know.
Again, this is not pleasant to talk about.
But we take the sheep, and it's screaming, and just the most piercing, horrible, ghastly noises coming out of this crate until we get it right over where we're going to let it into the hole, and then everything just stops dead silent.
Now these bass guys, they're pretty good at butchering a sheep there, and they know their way around a sheep, and so they pretty much can butcher a, and they know what to expect when you open up a sheep.
You know, so, you know, we've got the sheep on this table that we eat at, and, you know, this guy is cutting the sheep open here, and he gets it so he can look inside and see the internal organs like he's going to eviscerate the sheep.
I get kind of sick thinking about this thing, too, but I was getting kind of sick when I was there.
So I wasn't as close to all of this as I would want to be if I was a scientific observer.
But there's this huge tumor taking up most of the where the internal organs would be, so forth, the heart, the lungs, whatever parts the sheep comes with, they weren't there.
Well, I got the seal, and he's kind of grinding, waddles around a little bit in the direction of the hole, and then he's just sort of watching us some more, and we're sort of at a safe distance, but we kind of encroach upon a little bit there.
And I'm telling the Basque, hey, you're the big, brave Basque here.
Don't be afraid of this thing here.
I'm just an ordinary old guy here.
So, you know, we did.
We went up to it there, and it just looked at us here.
And the look that it was giving us was the only way I can describe it, it was like the most compassionate look that I'd ever seen from any face.
It just, the way the eyes were looking and feeling this.
And so some amount of time elapsed, and the little seal there starts to waddle again towards the hole, and I get this feeling that it wants to go up on the ledge, on the collar.
So I pick it up in my hands, and I set it right there on there.
It moves around a little bit, and then at this point, we're pretty comfortable with this thing.
I am.
And my comrades there are pretty comfortable with it.
I mean, we're not, like, freaked out anymore like we were.
And maybe it's just, you know, we're over the shock, or maybe we are in shock.
But that look that was giving us, it didn't seem like an evil thing or a horrible thing.
Okay, well, well, first of all, the Basques that I were with, they were young guys, okay.
And you know, I think before this, kind of your kind of shiftless sort of characters, you know, partiers and all of that, and they were like just profoundly moved.
I mean, they were just had stuff going on in their mind after that that, you know, they had been to another place, another time, another, anything.
Their reality had been all changed.
Now, I had the opportunity before I left Nevada to speak right before I left.
You know, I went back into civilization and spoke with a Basque elder.
And this was the elderly fellow that I was referring to that told me some of the history of that.
That he was in there, you know, for, you know, he remembered it from being a young man and he described it to me and all of this stuff here.
And we had just an agreement because his thing was he himself would go there to that area for spiritual connection, that there was something very spiritual, very primal that was going on.
He was a tough guy to talk to in some ways because he was more schooled in Basque than he was in English.
But he got English out enough for me to understand.
And so we talked actually at great length about the meaning of this.
We did have some of the Native American people that I was working with at that particular thing.
This was kind of like a party sort of atmosphere out there.
We were drinking what they like to drink and eating the good basque food and all of that.
It was a good experience there to kind of decompress from all of this.
But he could not relate to me any experience like what we had, except he knew he almost expected what it was that I was telling him.
I mean, he just totally, firmly, completely believed what it was that I was telling him.
There was no surprise to him at all in this thing here.
I got this really old bass guy there, and he's just taking all this astride and nodding.
So he knows there's something enormous of great enormity there.
And my goal is to go back.
I have agreed to work with the people I was working with with the herbs and live amongst them and spend some time with the tribal members and some time with the Basque and spend it.
Well, at this point, I don't know what we're going to do.
I come back.
I'm overjoyed that I'm cancer-free.
I felt so good after that experience that I knew something happened to my body, so I was glad to get back and have it confirmed that the doctor said yes.
But I do plan to go back.
I do plan to study it.
I hope to be a better human being about this and not send innocent animals into it or what have you.
To me, I guess I still can't believe that I allowed that to happen, but I did, you know, and well, I appreciate your telling the story straight out this way.
I will also, at this point, and I just have a little bit of what I have that happened in my Nevada experience left, but I know we're running out of time, is that anyone that can help me understand some of these things, if they can send an email to me, I'd appreciate it.
I cannot promise, you know, like a whole, you know, like to maintain a dialogue with people.
But for other people out there that have had any type of understanding of this that could make some sense to me, that knows what's going on, I'm going to listen with fascination to your program on the hollow earth business.