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Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 29, 2002.
From high desert in the great American Southwest.
I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in all 24 time zones covered by this radio program which is Coast to Coast.
And it should be called Coast to Coast to Coast AM.
Here we are in the middle of the night as usual.
This is kind of cool.
Now, as you know, I keep you informed as the ratings come in.
These are Arbitron ratings.
And kind of an interesting situation occurred in Nashville, Tennessee, where we were on WWTN, and we switched over to WLAC in Nashville, a 50,000-watt giant blowtorch in Nashville.
We just got the ratings for Nashville because that, you know, this encompasses that change.
And this is fairly amazing, actually.
12 plus, that means all persons 12 years old or older.
We went from market position number 12 to market position number one in one book.
Boom.
And that would represent, we got to check this out for those of you who know about such things.
We went from a, they had a 2.2 share, and then when our show came on it rose to a 16.5 share, a 16.5 share, a 750% increase.
That may be right on up there with the biggest gains ever seen in history.
I mean they can happen in smaller I mean, when you go to Nashville, and I've been there, you know, the cabbies sing country music.
there we are number one twenty five fifty four of from number ten in the market to
number one of three hundred thirty three point three percent increase
it is interesting that in in music city you know which is uh...
i mean when you go to national and i've been there are you know that the cabbies
thing country music everybody sings
in nashville and felt somehow in this overnight slot w l a c is gone
straight up to number one and that's passed all the other a m
and at them even country stations And that's almost impossible.
But there it is.
So, let's see.
News.
The President, in his first State of the Union address, promises to eradicate terrorists and the terrorist economy.
Our recession.
He's got very high approval ratings for what he has done thus far.
He also warned of an axis of evil of nations like North Korea, Iran, Iraq, and said the U.S.
would not allow them to threaten the world with weapons of mass destruction now.
Then their words carry some power, folks.
These booths were made for walking, and we're liable to go walking all over their mass-destructive capability.
That's probably going to be one of the next wars that we're going to have.
Well, this is all the same war, really.
But if you interpret those remarks the way I'm sure they're meant to be, it's like, you guys are next, buddy.
That would be North Korea, Iran, and Iraq.
Bombshelter time, folks.
House Minority Leader Dick Gebhard expressed steadfast support for the President's war on terrorism, outlined a Democratic agenda that differs with Republicans somewhat on how to recover from our economic woes.
It was pretty woeful on Wall Street.
We'll get to that today.
In fact, here now.
Now, 247.51 points down the Dow.
Nasdaq 50.95.
Boy, it's like you can hear them scream, can't you?
Enron Corporation, acknowledging on Tuesday that it just might have failed to disclose to Congress about half the money the energy companies spent on lobbying.
Son of a gun!
Half the money!
Now, it's hard to forget that kind of money.
That'd total at least $1.6 million for the first part of last year.
Serious money.
They may have forgotten to tell Congress to about half that or representing that much money.
My, my, my, my.
A man demanding $50,000, claiming to have a gun, took nine employees hostage in a suburban L.A.
bank on Tuesday All escaped before the suspect surrendered and is believed to be in his thirties.
Walked into a bank branch, told employees he was armed, demanded the money.
Governor Jeb Bush's 24-year-old daughter arrested at a pharmacy drive-through window Tuesday on charges of trying to buy the anti-anxiety drugs annex with a fraudulent prescription.
That's Noelle Bush.
Mike Tyson out of it.
He was denied a boxing license Tuesday by the Nevada Athletic Commission.
Over the hill from me here means Tyson cannot challenge WBCIBF heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis.
So that one's off.
Here's one now that's kind of interesting.
Are you ready to duck?
A 7,000 pound satellite is to fall to Earth sometime or another this week.
Though NASA says probably, probably now, keyword, will not hit any populated areas.
That's a 7,000 pound satellite.
Now only a few pieces of metal are expected to hit Earth, but they're pretty good pieces.
It's the Extreme Ultraviolet Explorer.
And it has explored.
It is now On its way home, and it is falling at about 15 miles a day, a rate of about 15 miles a day from an orbit about 124 miles out.
And of course, you know, they try to say soothing things, but they have no idea where it's going to be actually coming down.
In fact, the re-entry point is expected to be determined about 12 hours prior to the final fall, which means, as of right now, they have no idea where it's going to go.
I think they make these predictions Based on the probability, since what is it, two-thirds of our world or something is water, right?
The odds of it actually hitting the water are pretty good.
But only pretty good.
The odds of it hitting something else are at least substantial, and they don't talk that part out.
Let's see... NASA engineers say it was possible that up to nine stainless steel and titanium pieces...
That's a interesting medal.
Weighing up to a hundred pounds will in fact reach the Earth's surface.
So, what can I tell you?
Here's a pretty interesting piece of news.
You're not going to believe this.
The prolific king of horror, Stephen King, said that he may be hanging it up The interview in Sunday's LA Times said, after he publishes five more books, two of which already are scheduled for 2002, including a collection of short stories, as well as work on a limited series for ABC, he's ending his career in publishing.
Then that's it, he said.
I'm done.
Done writing books.
Why, they asked.
Well, you get to a point where you get to the edge of a room and you You can go back and go where you've been and basically recycle stuff, he said, referring to the novel from a Buick 8 scheduled for release in the fall.
He noted, I've seen it in my own work.
People, when they read Buick 8, are going to think, Christine, it's about a car that's not normal.
OK?
He added, you can either go out on top, top of my game, or not.
So, he says he will leave it.
But I don't think so.
Nevertheless, based on the even slim possibility that Stephen King might not write anymore, perhaps my network would be willing to go to work on trying to get Mr. King on the air.
I would very much like to interview Stephen King.
I wonder if you would be interested in doing a long-form interview.
That's what we do here, long-form interviews.
They're very different, very much more fun for the people being interviewed, because you're not reduced to soundbites as you are on TV.
Even the very best of television, and that's Larry King, you know, in a full hour, you get some substance out on Larry King.
Otherwise, television is a wash.
But here on radio, where we really have the time to get down and find out what somebody's all about, Where you really get a feel for the person.
I'd love to interview Stephen King if he's really... Either way, he won't give it up.
I predict that.
You know, he might give it up.
Say, I quit.
That's it.
And go away for a while.
But then he'll start thinking.
And before you know it, he'll think of some new horror ditty that he can write.
That becomes day by day by day more irresistible.
And every time he passes a computer with a word processor a typewriter however he does
it you know he'll be drawn to it
be stronger and stronger and eventually we'll have Stephen King back I would predict
but you never know I mean some people do that and just they're gone
again reminding you if you didn't hear it last night a representative Dennis Kucinich
has rewritten HR 29 2977, which originally called for the end to chemtrails, particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasmas, extreme low frequency, energy mind control technologies, and all of that has now been written out of the bill.
You can check it out.
I think we've got a link on the website that will tell you all about it.
At any rate, that's it.
Changed his entire bill, as far as we are concerned.
The things that interested us, which we were so amazed at, they're all gone.
I wonder if the rep... and now he's probably not going to want to do the interview, right?
We're going to interview him here.
I bet he won't do it now.
Because we'd have to ask questions like, who came to visit you, Representative?
How come you put it in in the first place?
And Representative, if you put it in, in the first place, it must have been because you were concerned about these things.
You'd heard of them, obviously, or we would not have put them in your bill.
What political pressure or government pressure caused you to remove all of them?
I mean, questions like that.
Now, of course, if he's willing to answer questions like that, I'm certainly in a mood to ask them.
More in a moment.
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You'll find it on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
What's happening out there?
I sense it.
People sense it.
They call the program.
There's something going on.
I can't put my finger on it, but I feel it.
How about you?
It is not our imagination.
And the best minds of our time are telling us, in no uncertain terms, that we are living the greatest number of crises ever to face humankind.
And they're telling us, George, that we've got to act, or not much else is going to make any difference.
Now we take you back to the night of January 29th, 2002, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Now this is just great.
This is from the United Kingdom, BBC News Online.
Do you remember we started to have a problem with frogs here in the US?
Remember that?
Scientists say now they are now certain that the disease which has killed millions of British frogs is caused by some kind of virus.
The disease which began in southeast England has crossed the Scottish border Hundreds of kilometers to the north, the animals' paws and feet drop off and they die a protracted painful death.
But money to research the outbreak and possible remedies has now run out.
Ay yi yi.
It's described as a living death.
The animals take a considerable time to die and there are some indications their numbers are permanently depressed in some areas.
The ends of their limb extremities, their hands and feet drop off, they hemorrhage, sores, open sores develop, they get thin and emasculated, and they die.
BBC Wildlife magazine published the research showing that some sort of virus is, they believe, responsible.
So you just don't get to get a lot of news About what's going on in Europe, here in the US, especially, you know, since 9-1-1 and all the rest of it.
You just don't get to hear this unless you listen to the BBC, not a bad idea, as well as other foreign broadcasts, or you listen to this program, because I try and get as much of what seems relevant on the air as I can.
In the next hour, Mel Waters is going to be here.
That's right.
Mel Waters.
Mel's Hole.
Because we rebroadcast some time ago, a couple of weeks ago, the show with Mel, it regenerated.
It just, it went nuts.
You know, the amount of response around here went berserk about Mel's Hole all over again, and he got hold of it.
He got hold of the fact, I guess he was out driving somewhere and heard us Doing the program and got hold of the network and incredibly, unbelievably, impossibly, some might suggest, one man appears to have discovered two endless holes.
He says he's found another endless hole with some really weird properties.
Now, you've got to ask yourself, what are the odds of any one guy finding two bottomless pits?
And normally I would say there's zero.
However, Once you have found and have become famous for finding one, it's entirely possible that somebody would lead you to another if it existed.
Now, that would appear to be what's happened here.
In other words, I don't think he personally found it, but being the whole guy, you know, they would come to you if they had a hole.
Here is an item that alleges to have been on eBay.
In fact, I have the item number here back in September.
It was item 1641798199, if it's real.
And basically, it was called, I Will Kick Your Ass.
Now, listen to this.
Winning bid receives an ass-kicking from me personally.
I'm six feet and weigh over 230 pounds.
If you win this auction, I will personally come to your house and kick your ass.
I guarantee I will not break any bones or kill you, nor will I use any weapons on you, but I will give you a good beating, and I will do this under two conditions.
One, you or anyone else does not press charges against me.
After all, you bought the ass-kicking.
Two, you do not fight back or attempt to physically harm me in any other manner.
This is your ass getting kicked, not mine.
Meijer provides round-trip plane ticket to the nearest airport as well as cab fare to your house and back.
If you're not close to the airport you may provide me with a train ticket or other means of transportation.
Do not pick me up as I will be attacking you completely randomly.
Meijer must also provide good clear directions to their house as well as any business expenses if i need to stay in a hotel or buy food for myself during
the trip most likely i'll just fly in kick her ass and leave
upon arrival i will select a random time to come over and kick your ass
It may be when you are sleeping or showering, or any other time during the day or night when you are most vulnerable.
During this meeting, I may damage one or more of your household items.
If I have to break glass to get into your Wait a minute.
Page two.
House, I suppose.
Yeah, home or knock over furniture if you attempt to run from me.
This should be expected by you and covered by my expenses.
If you are married or have children, I may choose to slap around your family a little, but only if I'm feeling particularly generous.
They should be informed of this and expected as well.
Bidding starts at one cent, but remember the winner must pay all expenses for my travel if they wish for me to come and kick their ass.
I will accept check or money order or you could just let me use your valid credit card for a few days and we'll call it even.
So this is a real ad.
It alleges, I mean it's got all the normal stuff up here on eBay, so it was probably
on there back in September.
Now, I know when eBay finds this kind of thing, as well as there were people up there selling their souls, you know, on eBay.
And eBay also clamped down on that one as well, they should have.
But you know what really bothers me about this offer?
It's that I bet you there are people out there Who took him up on it?
God knows where the bidding went, or maybe eBay got this stopped before the bidding could really get underway.
But trust me, it's a strange world we live in.
Hey, it snowed here in Pahrump today.
Strange world we live in!
That's right, here in the desert, near Death Valley, it snowed.
Strange, strange people out there.
You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 29, 2002.
This is a presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 29, 2002.
Some of them want to be abused.
Sweet dreams are made of this.
We are the world and the seven seas. Everybody.
Who am I to disagree? We travel the world and the seven seas. Everybody.
All our times have come. Fear, but now they're gone.
We just don't fear the reaper. Nor do the wind, the sun, or the rain.
We can be like them. Come on baby. Don't fear the reaper.
Baby, take my hand.
Don't fear the reaper. We'll be able to fly. Don't fear the reaper. Baby, I'm your man.
La la la la la. La la la la la.
La la la la la.
La la la la la.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
Tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 29, 2002.
By the way, looking further at this eBay, alleged eBay thing, the bidding had gone to $1.75.
Now, it began at $0.01.
That means several people, or at least one, have bid on this item to get their butt kicked.
You think I'm kidding?
Keith put the I sent Keith the link, and so he put it up.
How do you see it?
You go to my website, artbell.com, if you really want to.
Go to program, tonight's guest info, where it will tell you about Mel Waters, and it says, news item.
I will kick your ass, and my gosh, there's the link to this thing.
So you can see I wasn't kidding you.
All right, in a moment, open lines directly ahead.
Now we take you back to the night of January 29, 2002, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
All right, now out into the night of the unknown.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
How you doing today?
Just spiffy, sir.
From Boston, Joe W. R. K. O. Yes, Joe.
Two questions on Area 51.
I mention this because you had Kunst on and you mentioned Nellis and you wouldn't get
into something, but will you play the Jimmy Joe tape again?
And I ask that because I think that Hutchinson may have had dealings with the government
with Area 51.
They took all his stuff.
Well, he does claim, but he doesn't... I asked him about that last night, twice in fact, and he didn't really seem to want to go into the Area 51 part.
Oh boy, how does one write to him without a computer?
You forget some of us don't have computers, and I hate them, because they don't work right.
Well, alright, what you do is you...
There are libraries, there are friends, there are various ways.
He gave out his email address.
I thought a very gutsy thing to do.
When you give out your email address, believe me, on this program, that has meaning.
And you're going to be busy for a while.
Maybe even a year.
So, just find anybody who's got a computer.
They're awfully prolific now.
In fact, you can see the world turning.
And by that I mean, businesses now are finding up to a quarter or even a third of their business is coming to them by the Internet.
That's right.
From a quarter to a third of a lot of businesses are done, and some are done exclusively on the Internet.
So you've got to wonder what's going to happen to the mall, huh?
When everybody finally gets to the point where they can just do all their shopping from their chair.
And it's pretty close right now.
How's that going to impact all the malls across America?
Canada?
Hmm?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Art, this is Thomas in Mesa, Arizona, 550 KFYI.
Hello.
Well, I've been trying to monitor your program for the Mel Waters Marvelous Magical Mystery Holes.
Hmm, yes.
Uh, interesting topic, and I wonder if they haven't had a formal volunteer.
I'd like to volunteer myself instead of the poor cat to be lowered down the hole.
Oh, the cat down the hole.
No, don't pick on the poor cat, because, you know, we always have the advantage of putting poor kitty in a carrier, right?
Why?
Why?
Why, sir, would you volunteer to be lowered into an apparently endless hole with weird properties?
Now, come on.
What more noble a donation I can make for my life than to advance the cause of my knowledge of my species?
Well, what if you just don't ever come back?
Then I'll be in the history books.
And that's not... I'll be one of your missing entities, maybe a shadow person myself.
That would be satisfying enough for you.
In other words, how old are you now?
I'm 38.
Thirty-eight.
Not even to your prime yet.
Wow.
And you would be willing to disappear down a hole so that you could have a legacy of someone who disappeared down a hole.
It would certainly be an adventure now, wouldn't it?
Like Alice in Wonderland.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Alright, sir.
You're crazy, but I appreciate your call.
Of course I am.
Goodbye.
Goodbye.
Why would anybody volunteer to do that?
I mean, really.
He can't be serious.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
This is Donald.
I listen to WPPX in Atlanta.
Atlanta.
Yes, sir.
I was calling because a while back you were talking about entities and shadow people and stuff like that.
Oh, yes.
Constantly.
Whenever I was young, about eight years old, maybe a little bit younger, I had, I would say, a good shadow person.
They weren't black like a lot of people describe them, but it was like a radiant white.
A good shadow person?
Well, I would say that because I don't know what else to call it besides maybe a guardian angel.
Well, it doesn't sound like a shadow person.
It sounds like a guardian angel.
And whenever I was eight, it told me that I don't need to worry that it was there to protect me.
That's Guardian Angel talk right there.
And since then, I've been in like four car wrecks, and when I was young, I fell out of probably a three-story tree, and I didn't hit a single branch on the way down, and I got up without a scratch on me.
And in all my car wrecks, I have never had a scratch on me.
Not even a scratch?
How serious were the wrecks?
I had a tree going about 40 miles an hour.
Oh my God.
Another wreck.
Me, my brother, my two sisters were in the car.
We went over onto the other side of the road.
We jumped completely over, over about a five foot fence.
Yes.
Two and a half revolutions in the air.
Yes.
The car was upside down on a cement slab.
Oh my God, you should be dead.
Facing the other direction.
And we all come out without a scratch.
And my dad is a firefighter, and he has a lot of friends that are firefighters that have come and looked at the wreck that said people actually walked, people actually were alive afterwards.
Well, well, then there are a number of ways you could look at your entity.
Without your entity, you would have been dead long ago.
Or your entity is having a good old time with you.
And, and or, did you see the movie Unbreakable?
Yes, I did.
Have you considered that?
Uh, I don't think so, because I do have one scar from whenever I, uh, had a glass jar, uh, dropped off a shelf and, uh, hit the side of my face.
And I have just that one scar.
That's the only scar on my body.
In that case, I wouldn't challenge fate.
Um, all right.
Well, that's very interesting.
So I, but it's not, I don't think that's a shadow person.
Shadow people, by their very nature, are not light, light beings.
They are described as dark.
In fact, almost black, indiscernible from black, and come in various sizes, shapes, and forms, but never as beings of light.
So I think that perhaps a guardian angel, although a question worth asking would be, with all of these accidents, one after another after another, that should have been fatal, if your guardian angel was really on the ball, Why didn't your Guardian Angels stop those in the first place instead of just allowing you to come out of all of them without even a scratch?
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
How you doing, Art?
Okay, sir.
Where are you?
This is Dave from the Cleveland area.
Yes, Dave.
Well, unlike a couple callers ago, I choose not to be lowered in that hole.
But anyways, I was calling to find out if you've heard any other additional information on Mel's hole.
If you'll just wait 15 minutes, Mel Waters, or 20 minutes, Mel Waters will be here.
I'll do that.
Not only will we find out about Mel's hole, but we'll find out about this new incredible hole that he has been led to.
Well, that sounds good, because the last time I caught anything, it was just on the Best of Art Bell, when you were probably out of town or something.
That's right.
And it was an awesome story, and I couldn't wait to hear some more about it.
Well, the more part comes tonight.
That sounds good.
I appreciate it.
You're very welcome.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello, hello, hello.
No, guess not.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Yeah, hi.
Calling from KRM, Kramer Country, 94.7.
Where is that?
Grants Pass, Oregon.
Grants Pass, yes sir.
Yeah, I'm a Bigfoot field researcher with the Southern Oregon Bigfoot Society.
Oh, you are?
Yes, and I emailed you a while back, but apparently it fell through the cracks.
This research area that we've been working in, we've found several families of Bigfoot in this area.
You have?
As a matter of fact, we've been baiting them for the last year.
What do you mean, baiting?
With different foods, like fruits and vegetables.
What do they seem to like?
Well, they like canned meats, like corned beef, and also... With the can not open, right?
No, we open the cans a quarter of the way.
We have had them peel bananas.
And eat the bananas and leave the peelings on the ground.
I've got hand casts, lots of foot casts.
Our organization's been going for about a year.
Wait, wait.
How can you know?
I mean, if you come back to where you put bananas and you find peels, how can you know it was Bigfoot?
You say you have casts?
Yes, we have two hand casts that we've got this year.
Also, we have several different foot casts.
And all this is available on our website.
Well, I can't let you give it.
I have a rule about that, because one time somebody gave out a porn site.
If you will email it to me, I will screen it, and we'll get it up.
Now, how big are the handprints and the footprints?
Well, the handprint, what we've been doing is raking the area in a circle.
And they try to stay away from the raked area, and one actually reached over, put its hand down next to the edge of the raked area, And we're able to get that impression.
Right, got that.
How big a hand is it compared to... Almost twice the size of a normal human hand.
Twice the size?
Also the foot cast we have, we have a 15 inch long cast all the way up to 21 inches.
To 21 inches?
Oh my god, that's a big foot.
We've also had some screams in the area.
That's a gigantic foot.
They're very big animals.
We had a sighting on August 20th up here in the southern Oregon area.
How close?
During one of our expeditions, it was about 50 feet.
Myself as well as another individual that was in our party.
Do you have pictures?
No.
As a Bigfoot researcher, how could you not have a camera with you?
Well, it's 1130 at night.
We all spread out and we blast sounds out in the canyons.
Trying to drive Bigfoot one way or the other?
Well, try to bring him to us.
We've smelled all the smells, and the evidence that we've collected is unreal.
Most research teams, you know, ten or twenty years to get the evidence that we've gotten in one year.
Well, alright.
Pretty impressive.
What are you going to make?
Well, you email me, and maybe I'll have you on as a guest.
Okay.
How's that now?
We're just out of curiosity.
If you come right up against Bigfoot, I mean meet Bigfoot face to face, or whatever it is that Bigfoot has, What will you do?
Well, we don't want to hurt the animal because that would be detrimental to their species.
Especially since we don't have enough evidence to know how many of them that we've had that are in this area.
Right.
We did have a Forest Service ranger had seen a female up on the tower that he works at right in this area.
Really?
I mean, there's multiple sightings in this area.
There are some homes about 10 miles down below.
They're very shy humans.
I believe that they can smell like gunpowder for guns and items like that.
All right.
In the subject header of the email that you send me, because I get a lot of emails, sir, put something like Bigfoot researcher or something like that.
I'll put Southern Oregon Bigfoot Society.
Good.
That's fine.
All right.
All right.
Thank you.
And I'll look forward to seeing that.
A size 21 foot.
A size 21 foot.
Now, you think about what's going to be attached to that, and I don't know that you want a face to whatever meeting.
You just might not.
First time caller line, you are on the air.
Hello.
How you doing, Art?
Okay, sir.
This is Leo from Sheridan, Illinois, WLS, Chicago area.
Oh, the mighty WLS.
Yes, sir.
Hey, I'll tell you, we got some strange things in the woods out here.
You ever heard of any watchers?
We call them watchers, Wiz.
It's something my kids, my wife, they're kind of astute to the psychic.
Well, I'm certainly familiar with the term watchers.
Let's hear how you apply it.
What do you call a watcher?
Oh, something that we feel is... We live in a very dense area along the Fox River, and there's something that feels like it's just staring at you at times, and there's other times it just seems to be really calm.
I just stepped outside here right now, and I'm looking out in the woods, and I just heard a very strange animal that I've never heard before in my life.
Just now?
Yeah.
It was about ten minutes ago, and You never hear any footsteps.
At one time we heard a baby crying in the woods.
As in human babies?
Yes, it sounded like a baby to us.
And it was kind of very strange.
Now wouldn't that make you go and investigate?
Get a light and try to find a human baby?
Yes, I have a spotlight off an old quad car.
And I usually shine it out that way.
But you never see anything.
I use my night vision.
I'm a little leery about walking out in the woods because of the coyotes.
There have been bobcats spotted in the woods out here since I was a kid.
Right, we've got them too.
They're just kind of creepy, aren't they?
They're kind of creepy, but it's really enjoyable where we live because it's very secluded.
And you know, as far as Mel's Hole goes... I know, but if something's out there eating human babies... It's not eating the babies, it's the baby crying and it sounds like it's moving through the woods.
Well, it couldn't be really happy at that time of night crawling along on all fours in the woods.
Well, it's not a baby.
We know there's not going to be a baby this deep in the woods.
Hope not.
No.
All right, anyway, Mel's Hole, you were saying something?
Yeah, I'd go down it.
I wouldn't have no problem with that.
You would go down to?
Oh, yeah.
I'm all busted up from work-related injuries that happened in Maine.
I can't work anymore.
Take out a life insurance policy for half a mil or so.
Now, which life insurance?
Now, when you write your application for insurance, you know?
Yeah.
They're going to be wanting to know what you're going to be wanting to be insured for.
And you're going to be writing, I will be lowered into a reportedly endless hole.
Now, who do you think is going to write that one?
Oh, Lloyd Goldman, it would.
They insure everything.
If they insure legs for some of the actresses and arms and eyes and everything else for models, why wouldn't they?
I mean, what if the odds were pretty good that you would never come back?
You would either be in an entirely new place or dead as a doornail.
Well, I'd leave a rich widow.
You know, it's not really that concerning.
You know, that doesn't concern me so much.
And how old are you?
Forty-three.
It's a little early, like the last guy.
I know, but the future doesn't look too good for my legs and stuff.
Well, I think you're both crazy as loons, but okay, as you would have it.
Life is always precious, no matter what state you're in, pretty much.
There may be an extreme there to be talked about, but I mean, people who have most of their faculties And their brain intact, and the ability to move about, which you would have, legs or not.
Troubling legs or not.
It's a little early to give it all up to be lowered into an endless hole, and I don't think Lloyd's... Well, they might.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
I'm a second-time caller, and I was listening to your show one night last week when they were talking about the animal mutilations.
Animals?
Yeah, on animals.
Yes.
Mutilation.
And someone said that they thought, your guess, thought it was maybe the government cutting out parts of the animals to analyze for certain trace whatever elements.
Well that is one theory that they're being taken out here out west to determine the effects of nuclear testing or some people think environmental Degradation is measured by cutting up cows and testing stuff.
You know, there's a lot of theories.
Yeah, but then I wondered if we couldn't ask your listeners if there's a higher incidence of certain types of illnesses that would reflect those type of chemicals or contaminants.
That was just an idea that I had.
Well, okay, well, all right, well, thank you.
There are a million studies about new emerging diseases and problems with both animals and people.
And that's why there is so much speculation that these mutilations might be some sort of environmental testing to see what is out there, or what is changing, or what effects have occurred on those exposed to God knows what.
East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
Hello.
Hi.
I'm in Fort Myers, Florida.
I've called you before.
I'm a security officer down here.
Yes?
And we have a vanishing vagrant in the area.
It's strange.
A vanishing vagrant?
Yeah, I would call the police and report that there was a vagrant on the street, but the guy would just disappear.
Well, the police couldn't find him.
They searched, and I was writing it in my log, night after night, the same guy, same clothes, an elderly looking man.
He just appears out of nowhere and then he's gone.
Well, I would be very careful about calling the police on anybody with the ability to disappear.
Yeah, well, this guy, though, finally a resident was out here and he witnessed it, too.
He couldn't believe it.
You know, I mean, so anyway, I'm going to try to get this guy if he ever comes around again and let him call you.
Because I asked him in front of the resident, you know, as a witness, I said, You know, where do you get, how do you disappear like that?
And what do you say?
He told me he doesn't disappear, he vanishes.
So now I coined the phrase vanishing vagrant.
He claims he vanishes.
He does.
I mean, even the witnesses.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Have you actually, with your eyes, on him, on his physical being, seen him Yes, and the night that the one resident... You've actually seen him vanish?
Yes, and he did too, and he couldn't believe it.
So now you've got another witness backing up your story.
Yes, thank God, because I've been logging about this guy for like a month.
Alright, if he can... And bothering the police.
Alright, if he can vanish, then I want to talk to him, so you get him to me.
Alright, you get him to me, dear.
I've got to go.
Mel Waters coming up.
Mel's Hole.
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Now we take you back to the night of January 29, 2002, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Here he is from, uh, you know, I don't know where he is right now.
Mel Waters.
Mel, welcome to the program.
I'm here in the Pacific Northwest.
Somewhere in the Pacific Northwest.
That'll do.
First of all, it's great to hear from you, and I guess we heard from you, Mel, because what, were you out somewhere when we did a rebroadcast of the original Mel's whole thing?
Yeah, yeah.
I guess this was last week sometime, and I was coming back from Nevada, and I get a lot of rides from truckers.
I look a hell of a lot like Willie Nelson.
Do you?
I mean, people will come up to me, and particularly truckers, and say, do you know you look like Willie Nelson?
No kidding.
And I tell them, no, no, no, I'm not Willie Nelson.
I am Mel Waters.
And they know who you are?
Well, they know exactly who I am.
And next thing you know, I've got three or four truckers standing around me, and we're talking.
Well, how do you get them to believe you?
I once was out, and I've got an RV, Mel.
Yeah.
And we'd talk to truckers on CB.
You know, that's real handy when you're on the road.
And I encountered some truckers, my wife and I did, and we were running with them.
You know, you do that.
You kind of run in a pack.
And they wouldn't believe it was me.
I haven't had any problem with it.
It's interesting.
name is art you're from probably are you are going to be a summer television
no you're not i i i haven't had any problem with it uh... you know it's
interesting i i i guess a lot of that
the truckers they're listening to you are saying you on your website or
but i think i guess they have no mental picture of you at all so i think i mean even on the
radio on cd We were just talking about it on CB.
Oh, so they heard your voice?
Yeah, that's right.
They would not believe it was me.
They finally did, but it took about an hour.
Anyway, Mel... You know, we're heading back, and we're near Portland, and they turned on the radio, and I'm on the air, you know, at first.
I didn't believe I was... You know, this is a dream.
We've been on the road too long, and no, I was...
And we were wrapping up the show there, and I decided, well, I'm heading back here.
I had to see a doctor for a check-up here, and so I came up here, and I thought, what the heck, I'll bring the audience up to date here.
I kind of left people dangling there at the end of... Yeah, I got a lot of, hey, I'm dangling here, what's the story on Mel's hole?
Now, to bring everybody, just very quickly, the 101, you had a piece of property in Washington.
Yeah, out near Ellensburg, Washington, the center of Washington State, near the Monastash Ridge, which is sort of like the mountain range that runs along... Ellensburg is in the Kittitas Valley, and so you've got a valley, you've got mountain ranges and ridges and so forth, and that's basically where the property is located out there.
Tell them what happened.
Go ahead, tell them.
What happened with the property?
We'll give you the nickel tour.
Thank you.
Basically, this was back in 1997, so this was five years ago.
I sent a fax to the show here, and basically I described what I had done about this whole Lowered some fishing line into it because, quite frankly, for years and years and years and years and years, people were dumping stuff into the holes.
I'm talking refrigerators.
I'm talking dead animals.
My favorite thing to toss in there was TV picture tubes, but no matter what we tossed in there, we never heard anything hit mop.
Let me stop you for just one second.
Mel, do you have a Bible?
Yes.
Go get your Bible.
I'll wait.
I have the Bible right here.
You have it that handy?
Yes.
Place your hand on it, Mel.
It is right on the Bible.
You swear to me with your hand on that Bible, Mel, that what you are telling me and about to tell me is the whole truth, the absolute truth.
Let us say the absolute truth.
The absolute truth.
Cute.
I'm sorry about the whole truth thing.
The absolute truth, with your hand on the Bible, so help you God.
Yes, I do.
Alright, then let us proceed.
So you threw TV picture tubes down, but I mean, I remember cows going down and appliances.
Yes, some people do dead cattle out there.
I had a little Mexican fellow that used to throw literally truckloads of tires down there.
And there was enough, the hole was big enough so that you could throw something down, and you wouldn't hear it cascading off the side.
It was nine feet across, and it had a retaining wall around the top of it, and the stone went down a bit, but as far as I could tell, as far as I could see... No splash, no crash, no bang, nothing.
And it seemed to be, it didn't look like it tapered.
It looked, you know, from everything that I could see... It looked as wide as far as you could see.
It was a hole.
Oh, I don't know.
Maybe it's further than I can see.
It's tapered.
I have no idea.
But I figure if something tapered, eventually it tapers down to nothing and things start collecting.
Well, nine feet in diameter, that's a big hole.
That's a good size hole.
That's three yards across.
That's more than the average human being is standing up.
So you had something across the hole, right?
Yeah, we put some corrugated metal and stuff on top of it, kind of to secure it.
By the way, did you fence the hole in?
Was there any protection?
Was there a sign up that said, Beware of the hole.
No.
Yeah, beware of the hole.
That, I think, would fall under the category of attractive nuisance.
You start warning people and that gets people enticed.
But how about protecting people?
I mean... Oh, well, again, that's what the corrugated metal on top was for.
It was secured on there pretty good, so you couldn't...
Opened this up without basically busting the mechanism open.
So you began lowering fishing line into the hole from this centerpiece, right?
Yeah, first I used to do a lot of shark fishing, so I had a couple of big fishing poles with a lot of line on them.
What I was curious about was to find out if there was any water down there.
You know, what the heck.
So I lowered a big reel full of line into it.
Had a roll of lifesavers on the bottom.
The roll of lifesavers was simply because if they hit water, the lifesavers would dissolve.
Absolutely.
They would melt.
You know, the old fisherman's trick.
So that's what I did.
You know, I lowered down.
I emptied this reel.
I assume there's about 500 yards of line on this particular reel there.
I did that with another reel, so I connected them up there and got down to about 3,000 feet.
And same result.
And then finally, I get kind of nuts about the whole thing there, so I went and bought basically monofilament in wholesale quantities.
It's the kind of stuff that they fill the fishermen's reels with down at the sporting goods stores.
You see, they have monster reels of them.
Sure.
Giant.
So, you know, basically I started lowering the stuff down there on a one-pound lead weight into the hole.
By the way, did you have any help, or were you doing this all by yourself?
No, but the project was conducted by myself.
I didn't have, you know, assistance or anything.
It was your own property anyway, right?
It was my property.
My wife was becoming estranged from me, so she wasn't hanging around or anything.
I was sort of out there at the property doing, you know, just to satisfy my own curiosity.
And basically at the point where I had reached 80,000 feet of line into And I had a little, for lack of a better word, I had a little widget that kept track of, it's just like a little, it's not a, it's like a mechanical digital counter.
But it was made for measuring how much line goes down.
So I knew exactly how much line I put into the hole at that point.
Which was?
80,000 feet.
80,000 feet. 80,000 feet. 80,000 times 10 or 8000 over 80,000 feet.
80,000 feet.
Something like 15 miles of line went into that hole.
There are people who have questioned... I mean, you had a little weight, of course, on the end.
Exactly.
And then you had the weight of the line itself.
Now, at some point, people say the line would be so heavy that you would have no idea whether you actually hit bottom or not.
Well, yeah, I would think so.
And again, the only thing is I do recall I got back to you and what I did is I actually measured The weight of the line in the hole.
They had little spring fishermen scaling the thing.
And I believe I had somewhere between, with the weight on the bottom, between 17 and 18 pounds of weight attached to the top.
Well, that would have been within the limits, right?
I don't know.
To me, I think about it now, and I think about what I've been through, and I think about all these things here.
And I don't know what to make of any of this stuff.
I don't know why.
I mean, I know that... Well, didn't you have somebody talk about they're drilling like these huge deep holes in Russia or something like that?
Oh, absolutely.
Okay, you get your deep holes there.
I don't know what the depth of a hole is.
The hole there has been there for...
As long as anybody can remember.
If you talk to some people, they're like, oh yeah, this was there, you know, from a prayer.
Are there people who say they're volcanic vents or whatever?
Could be.
It could be.
But still, at 80,000 feet, no, bottom of the hole.
Now, this hole exhibited some, lack of a better term, paranormal aspects.
Well, yeah, and I believe what I had noted was that, you know, my dogs wouldn't have anything to do with it.
You know, they wouldn't go anywhere near it.
Right.
The birds didn't mess with the retaining wall.
That's the kind of place birds like to go.
They didn't go anywhere near it.
There were people that told me various things.
When I talked to them about it, one man claimed he had thrown a dog that died into it.
At some point after that, he was out there hunting around up there in the hills, and he saw Uh, the same, exact same dog, just going through the woods like it was hunting with somebody.
So the whole thing brought the dog back to life, was the idea?
Now, here's the thing here.
I said, well, did you call the dog back to you?
And, you know, did it come back to you?
He said, it looked like it was hunting with somebody else.
That's what he said.
Well, at least it was happy.
It was there on the same places where he had gone to.
Now, you believe so strongly in the powers of this hole, I know, that as one condition... Well, I'm getting ahead of myself.
The government came and took your hole.
There was quite a period of time there where, after the program, all hell had broken loose.
And I was going back to the hole.
I actually wasn't living when I had talked to you.
Originally, I was not living on the property.
We had just had a Really major snowstorm, like two feet of snow in 24 hours, and most of my trailer buildings and stuff were all caved in on the property, so it was a real mess out there anyway.
I'd taken an apartment in town, and so, you know, it was the next day or whatever, I go back there, and I'm driving up to my property, and even before I get anywhere near the property, I'm met by basically uniformed people who were telling me that there was a plane crash.
On my property that they have to investigate a clarity accident and that I'm, you know, not to, you know, they will let me know when I can come back.
Now this, bear in mind everybody, this was after our, immediately after our broadcast.
Yeah, this is almost... Nobody knew about the hole until the broadcast.
Immediately after the broadcast, the next day he goes back and they're giving him this plain crash trash.
And, you know, I mean, I'm not dumb.
I'm looking around.
I don't see any smoke.
I don't smell any smoke.
And I haven't seen any evidence of what would be a plane crash, so I'm pretty much believing they're handing me a bill of goods.
Right.
And, you know, I said, look, this is my property.
I want to get onto it.
And, basically, there were some threats made against me that, you know, I was then told it would be fairly easy for people to find a drug lab on my property there.
I'm basically a man who deals in herbs and Native American herbal medicine.
So you're saying like, back off buddy, or we got you.
We got you, and what could I do?
You know, I mean, what I had there I suppose could be construed as a drug lab.
I mean, I don't know.
But that's where it was.
Well, was it a real drug lab?
Well, I had the various plants that grow native in that area there.
I had some plants that I brought up from Nevada growing over there.
But none of these things or anything but plants that you would find Growing in a high desert environment.
And there are a lot of psychedelic hallucinogenic plants.
No, I do not deal with anything like that.
Well, but that's normal.
I mean, that's all over the desert.
It may not be widely known, but it's the truth.
There's all kinds of hallucinogens that grow naturally in the desert.
Oh, the people that know, and I've worked extensively with Native Americans, and they can walk through Okay, so it's not like you had a meth lab up there or anything?
No, that's what they were implying.
There was no herbal stuff.
Alright, well alright.
So, they scare you the hell away.
Then, how did you come to make a deal with the government?
How did that happen?
You know, I have a hard time figuring out what led around here.
Basically, I wasn't going to back off.
I was basically talking to the press.
You are the press, Art Bell.
And so what they did is offer to lease my property from me in perpetuity for a very healthy sum of money.
And I'm talking like a quarter of a million dollars a month.
That's three million bucks a year.
That's a lot of money.
And, you know, I had agreed for them to let me relocate in Australia, a place that I love and actually wish I could go back to, but that's neither here nor there.
Well, you did, in fact, go to Australia because I had a couple of emails from you when you were there.
I would contact you from time to time just to let you know I was okay.
And you were in Australia.
I know that's true.
So you had taken the money and I figured you were probably Uh, sipping martinis, uh, in some nice Aussie outback location with lots of nice, young, very Australian, yes, and just having a nice life.
Uh, combing my beard and all that stuff.
So what the hell happened?
Well, and, and then I, uh, you know, I was doing well.
I did a lot of good work over there.
Uh, one of, one of the things that I was allowed to do was to bring some of my, uh, plants with me.
They sent you, did they send you the money?
Oh yeah, it appeared regularly in my account.
I, I got the money.
Johnny on the spot.
It was great.
They allowed me to bring my dogs with me, which I don't know if you know about transporting dogs across the seas, but you normally can't bring dogs.
Well, without quarantine for a long period of time.
They were not in quarantine, they just said.
So they got you right past that.
They got me right there.
I got the red carpet treatment.
You were the king of the hole, no doubt about it.
That was it.
I was living good.
I was happy.
You know, basically doing fine, doing my work out there.
Did a lot of work out there on Wombat Rescue and Wombat Restoration there.
It was great.
How many quarter million dollar payments did they actually come through with?
Well, I was there from... I haven't tallied it up there, but I was basically there from March of 97.
Until right before the millennium.
I mean the year 2000.
All right.
All right.
Mel, hold on.
Hold on.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
I'm Art Bell.
Mel Waters is my guest.
Much more ahead.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 29, 2002.
Telling me I've got to beware.
I think it's time we stopped.
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's going down.
There's battle lines being drawn.
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong.
Young people speaking their minds are getting so much resistance from behind.
time with.
Oh, the night is over. It's daylight, ain't it girl? In the day, something's different.
It's the night, turn the clock, in the night, turn the clock, in the night.
Oh, the night is over. It's daylight, ain't it girl? In the day, something's different.
It's the night, turn the clock, in the night, no control, through the wall, something's breaking.
Wearing white, as you're walking, down the street, of my soul.
You take me down, you take my self-control. You got me living only for the night.
Before the morning comes, the story's told. You take me down, you take my self-control.
Another night, another day goes by. I never taught myself to wonder why.
You have to forget to play my role. You take me down, you take my self-control.
I, I live among the creatures of the night.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 29, 2002.
My guest is Mel Waters of Mel's Hole fame and he'll be right back.
You're listening to Ark Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 29, 2002.
Now the keepers of the network vaults of time information inform me that Mel Waters was
originally on program February 21, 1997, then again February 24, three days later.
Then, he wasn't on until April of 2000.
That would have been, I guess, when he came back to the U.S.
So, that's the timeline we've got.
That sounds about right, Mel.
So, you know, they paid you, Mel.
A lot of money.
I mean, there were several payments of a quarter of a million dollars, right?
Oh, yeah.
Months.
Every month.
Well, what the hell happened to all the money?
Well, I'll tell you what happened.
I had come back in December of... What was it?
I was on... It would have been 2000.
You were on April of 2000, so... 2001.
Well, it says 2000 here, maybe the time he decided.
Okay, so it was right before the millennium.
Right.
Okay, so in 1990... No, no, no, this was the millennium.
I mean, you know, zero, zero.
In 1999, in December, I'd come back, and I actually contacted you to appear on the air.
Uh-huh.
You know, I was in the USA, and I thought we'd just kind of... Exactly.
Actually, it would have been a boring interview.
It was just to know how life was good in Australia, and how wonderful things were, and blah, blah, blah.
But everybody would know, hey, now the life is doing okay.
Basically at that point I was helping my nephew move from Tacoma to Olympia during the day before the interview.
We were moving down there in a U-Haul truck and I was driving the truck back and I was going to take the bus back to Olympia.
There was some strangeness that occurred on the bus.
There was an altercation.
From what appeared to me, there were policemen and transit people that came over there.
I was asked to give my statement.
I said, no, no, no.
I got to get back to Olympia, blah, blah, blah.
You know, I can't miss the last bus.
They said, that's okay.
You can talk to us.
We'll drive you back in the van.
That was the last thing I remembered.
Because when I had woke up it was about 12 days later and I was in a real seedy part of San Francisco lying in an alley.
Winos were basically trying to get me to sing on the road again.
Beaten up, as I recall.
I was bad.
I had no teeth in the back of my mouth.
No molars.
They were gone.
A dentist, by the way, has since done some exemplary work for you.
You like that?
He gave me some state-of-the-art dentures.
They are wonderful.
So, I mean, you were abducted.
You were beaten up.
God knows what happened to you.
You found yourself in San Francisco in a disaster.
You have come back from that, obviously, but I still want to know, Mel, what the hell happened to all the money?
Well, what happened was that when I had gone back and I was with my nephew, I found out that I had been served with legal papers that said that basically the terms of my divorce with my former wife were basically they cancelled.
My rights because of the various modifications that were made to the property after I was no longer using the property.
Basically septic systems were put in, there was various paving that was done and modifications that basically I was not allowed to do.
Right.
And so I no longer had any claim on that property.
That's basically where I'm left.
What about all the money you did receive?
Did you blow it on Wine, Women and Song or what?
When you have a lot of money, you could only eat so much food and drink so much good scotch.
And I devoted a good deal of the money I had, one, for the research I was doing.
That was my activity.
And two, creating a facility for dealing with our wombat friends in Australia.
Yeah, I know you were very concerned about that.
I remember when you were writing about wombats.
I am so proud of them, because if you go now... So your money went to the wombats, really?
The majority of it, but right after that, I tried to access my money.
My money wasn't there.
I had sent emails to my colleagues in Australia.
They said my whole facility was dismantled over there.
Everyone was given a severance check because I had various students and various people working for me there because I'm not a veterinarian or anything like that.
Again, you can go through money, quite a bit of money there.
I was glad to do it.
I was glad to do it.
So there I am, basically lying in the gutter.
No teeth.
I could still see the tape on my arms where they had taped down an IV or some sort of thing to it, so I was out of it for the longest time.
I contacted my nephew and he managed to get me a bus ticket back north.
Brother, talk about going from being a whole baron to... Absolutely.
I had nothing.
And that's kind of where I left everything.
When we last talked.
Now, I know that you've had contact with the Native American community since you've been back.
Is that right?
Oh yeah.
In fact, we will get into that because that leads to...
Part two of all of this.
Kind of wrap things up.
I wanted to bring up some things because you probably noticed I was pretty tipped off that they'd stole my belt buckle.
Oh yeah, I remember that.
And you know, amongst working with herbs and stuff, I'm kind of an itinerant jeweler as well and I make things.
I went back to Ellensburg because I sold a number of these similar belt buckles at the farmer's market and through little consignment jewelry stores in Ellensburg.
Sure enough, when I'm there, I run into a guy who's wearing one of my belt buckles.
They were made with a silver fork.
You know your own work.
They were very unique.
This was kind of a little folk art thing.
What is the point, though?
Well, the point is that I kept on thinking, why would they take my belt buckle?
That was the thing.
I mean, this was a very personal item there.
I had another belt buckle on my belt.
See what I'm saying?
Why take a man's belt buckle?
Makes no sense.
So anyway, I run into this guy and I said, hey, you bought one of my belt buckles.
Oh yeah, I love this thing.
Anyway, so we take a look at it, and we're looking at it, and basically the motif on there is I had three coins, you know, that had affixed to it in bezels.
There was a coin with Winston Churchill on it, there was a coin with Joseph Stalin, and there was a coin dyed with Franklin Roosevelt.
Rather distinctive, yes.
Well, this was Folkart representing the great conference that they had.
So we're looking at the coins there and we're noticing there it is a 1943 Roosevelt dime.
Franklin Roosevelt was still alive in 1943.
Are you sure?
Yes, absolutely sure.
Absolutely sure.
It was a 1943 dime.
Well, that just makes no sense whatsoever.
I found a, you know, on my property, you know, I'd cleared a land, you know, I found that Nazi sort of gun there.
It was a P-38 that I gave to the landlord as a deposit.
I recall, yes.
And we dig up all kinds of things, bits of metal and stuff like that.
Well, I found, one time I was digging around there and just rooting around, I found one of these red Chinese Lucky Money Envelopes, you know, the kind the Chinese give to each other on New Year's?
Yes, yes, yes.
It had ten of these dimes in it.
So I got ten dimes, you know, I'm making these belt buckles, I put one in each one there.
So we're examining this dime here with this fellow in Ellensburg, and it struck us at the same time.
I mean, when I told you 1943 Roosevelt Dime, you thought, okay, well, you know, it couldn't exist.
We had a dime that there's no way it could exist.
Right.
But it looked just like your normal dime, but from 1943.
And the only other thing that was kind of peculiar about it was that it had a B as in baby mint mark on it.
Now we have S for San Francisco, D for Philadelphia, D for Denver.
Right.
But I have no record anywhere of a B As in baby.
Or Boston.
Boston.
Could be Boston.
I don't know what it was, but I know of no B-Midmark on a dime.
Anyway, this guy is really curious.
He decides to go see a big-time coin dealer about this coin.
And he goes in there, and the coin dealer takes a look at it, and he just is like, mouth is hanging open.
I'm telling you, I'm relating the story from my buddy.
Okay.
He looks at this thing, and he's just But what I don't understand is how all this relates.
Well, it ties into why my belt buckle was taken.
Because it had the same coin on there.
Are you fairly sure it was not the same belt buckle?
I had made a series of ten of them.
I made one I had ten of those same coins.
I understand.
So now was this the same belt?
No, it was one that he must have bought.
Okay.
Would you have any way of knowing if it was the same one?
No.
They were all custom made, so each one was a little bit different.
I would know for a fact that it was not the one I wore every day of my life.
But he took it to a coin dealer, and the coin dealer was just amazed.
He had no I mean, he couldn't even begin to grasp what he was holding in front of him.
You know, he started telling him, I don't know, this could be a prototype.
Well, nothing explains it.
I mean, time travel, what would explain?
Something created before Roosevelt even died.
You know, when they created that time, they went to, you know, they sped up the process to get a Roosevelt dime after he died.
But there's nothing that explains it.
The guy offered him a huge amount of money.
The coin dealer.
Here, I'm gonna write you a very substantial check.
You give me the dime.
The guy says, let me think about it, okay?
I'll give you my number, you give me a call.
And, you know, and I'll let you know what I think.
And to make a long story short, a day or two later, this guy is visited by treasury officials there who said they have to confiscate this coin from him for Some legal reason or another, so they took the coin away from him.
He should have made the deal the day before.
He should have made the deal.
Do you remember where you got these coins?
Yeah, they were on my property.
They were on the property.
Did you just show up laying on the property?
No, I was actually digging around there.
I turned a lot of dirt over there to plant stuff and grow things there.
You know, I think about this, and nothing explains it.
I mean, time travel would not explain it.
You know, the only thing that I even began to think about, you know, over the years I didn't pay attention to it, but it was like... I don't know if you've noticed this, but in the middle of every intersection, you know, on the road, there's always a little pile of nuts and bolts.
If you drive by, you'll notice them.
Little springs, right in the middle of the intersection.
Well, you know, it's strange that you would mention all of this now.
I remember you telling the story of your belt buckle being gone, but you didn't go into the detail about your belt buckle before.
No, because I didn't know the significance of it.
I just looked at it as a couple of old silver times.
So now, suddenly, you relate it back to the whole and the perfect.
Exactly.
I see.
Exactly.
So that kind of explains why the buckle would be taken from me.
I suppose so.
It might be proof of something other than it could be.
Who knows what, yeah.
But that happened over there.
And I just wanted to bring it up today.
I haven't been able to track down my former wife at all.
I mean, she is just like Vanished.
I don't know where she is.
I don't know what name she's gone under.
I have no idea.
Here's a question for you, Mel.
The military obviously still is in possession of your property, yes?
We have been saying military.
We have been saying government.
Whatever, whoever they are, they've got it, right?
There is someone in possession of the property, yes.
So if a person were to go to this property, they would be halted or stopped before they could go on and make any sort of investigation or whatever, right?
I'm going to assume a number of things, since I have not actually gone anywhere within five miles of the property since then.
That there's a chain link fence around it, there's probably a sign that says Okay.
agricultural research do not enter or something like that that's what i'm gonna stop
okay okay uh... i'm also good assume that what it looked like when i
owned it or added in my position
doesn't look like it now i will also clue everybody into one thing
uh... art are you familiar with the terrorist server not yes that
The satellite imagery?
Yes, you can get satellite imagery of almost any spot on Earth.
Okay, you go to the Terra server.
Yes.
And you go see the pictures where my property is in the Monastash.
Alright, well why don't you tell us how to do that?
In other words, what specific photograph are we looking at?
There should be a number or something.
Well, yeah, I don't have that handy, but if you found Ellensburg, and you zoomed out, so the picture got smaller, you will see where my property is, and it's very easy to see where it is.
And how would we identify it?
Because it has been expunged.
What do you mean?
Those pictures do not appear on the satellite server.
The ones taken in June of 2000.
Well, instead, where your property ought to be, what do we see?
Two white squares.
Are you serious?
Absolutely.
You go to Terror Server, that's provided by Microsoft, I'm not going to give any URLs.
No, a lot of people know how to do it.
And look up Ellensburg, zoom out, and then you will see over where the Monastash Ridge is, my property blanked out.
Actually quite a bit, there's quite a few.
Wow.
So that is, you know, you don't have to go by what I say.
Oh, no, no, no.
Listen, one of my... You can look at it yourself.
Trust me when I tell you.
One of my listeners, within the hour, I can guarantee, will find the exact photograph you're talking about, if it exists, send me the URL, and or send Keith a URL, and we'll get it up and take a look.
And you're claiming... It's not there.
Well, it's sponge away they might, but that still would identify the exact location.
Well, it still covers a lot of ground there.
But where it is, and I assume that because this picture was taken in 2000.
Okay, I believe it was in June or something of 2000.
Right.
That there's been a lot of differences made in that area.
And none of these... See, you get a really good picture on a terror server.
Well, yeah, pretty good.
You could basically see A car on the road with the terror server.
No, no.
That's from the satellite.
So, I mean, you'd see a hole.
You'd see outbuildings.
Alright, let's direct people again.
Let's say it again.
So, listeners who want to go to Terror Server right now and help us out, tell them where to go again.
Look up Ellensburg, Washington.
Then?
And then you just zoom out on the town until you see the black, the white squares where my property would have been.
And that would be exactly?
On the Manassas Bridge.
All right, there's a good piece of evidence we can go hunting for.
Let's go there, but whoever controls the satellite and releasing it to the terror server people decided not to let them have these pictures.
Oh, isn't that something?
Okay.
I mean, every listener can do this.
I mean, you know, I've had, you know, people want to, you know, want to go out there and the only thing I tell them is, don't go there.
I mean, I don't know what's going to happen to you.
I don't know what people will do to you.
It's going to be nothing but grief of one sort or another.
You know that people have made treks to find Mel's hole.
Right now I tell you, look, it's there.
Don't go there.
You don't have to go there.
It's there.
But don't go there on my account.
I don't want to be responsible for anybody.
Anyway, so that was kind of like bringing this into focus here, okay?
It brings us certainly up to date, yes.
I had a couple of other interesting things.
These things are kind of loose ends, but they're not loose ends.
All right, you're going to have to hold on, because we're at the top of the hour, and then we're going to shortly get to the next poll.
Mel has a new, apparently, Endless Hole.
I'm Art Bell.
From the high desert, this is Coast to Coast AM.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM, from January 29, 2002.
This young man's throwing on a fiddle and playing it hot, and the devil jumps up on a hickory stump and says, boy, let me tell you what.
I guess you didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player, too.
And if you care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you.
Now, you play a pretty good fiddle, boy, but give the devil his due.
I'd better fiddle a gold against your soul, cause I think I'm better too.
The boy said my name's Johnny and it might be a sin But I'll take your bet you're gonna regret cause I'm the
best there's ever been Johnny
You got me running going out of my mind You got me thinking that I'm wasting my time
Don't bring me down No, no, no, no, no
I'll tell you once more before I get up and go Don't bring me down
You wanna see us with your fancy friends I'm telling you we've got to stay here
Don't bring me down No, no, no, no, no
I'll tell you once more before I get up and go Don't bring me down
Don't bring me down!
Don't bring me down.
What happened to the girl I used to know?
You left your mind out somewhere down the road.
Don't bring me down.
You're listening to Arkbell, somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM, from January 29th, 2002.
Well, folks, for a short time it would appear as though we brought the entire Terra server down.
However, enough of you went and looked, and we believe we found the frame in question.
Keith has it posted right now.
It covers an area, it says, 5 kilometers southwest of Ellensburg, Washington.
And I'll be damned if there isn't a big, white block missing from the center of this part of the Terra server in the Manatash... I can never say that.
The Manatash?
Manan?
Anyway, the area that he was talking about.
We've got the link up there on my site right now.
Go to artbell.com, go to program, tonight's guest info, and you will see related link, Terra server image of Ellensburg, Washington.
And there is a big missing area.
Now whether this is it or not, I don't know.
We'll ask Mel in a moment, but it's on my website right now.
Thank you.
Sorry about that, Terra server.
I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to get to the other side of the planet.
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I argue with people about disclosure time and time again.
I've told them governments are not going to come out willingly to tell us it's going to happen by mistake, it's going to happen by a whistleblower, but it's not going to be an organized thing.
Governments won't do that, and the reason why they won't do it is because they do not want us to know.
They think that they'll lose control of us if we know.
If you actually truly believe that we were being visited by extraterrestrials
and you had categorical proof that it was happening, do you think you would
listen to some of the bull that government throws out all the time?
Absolutely not!
You'd look toward the heavens, you'd say there's got to be a better way, and you would start doing your own thing.
And you would forget all about government control and everything else.
So, the bottom line is, government will never, ever disclose the true facts of UFOs.
now we take you back to the light of january twenty ninth two thousand two
on our bill somewhere in time right now we've got one terrorist server image uh...
which is uh... says it's covering in a very about five miles of southwest of
ellensburg washington uh...
Does that sound right?
That's about the neck of the woods we're talking about.
Well, in this neck of the woods there's one great big white blotted out area where I presume to be able to see it.
And it does look like a very interesting area actually.
There would be Mel's hole somewhere there, huh?
Yeah, I think that blotch over there covers like a 4 mile by 8 mile area.
My goodness.
What a blotch.
Isn't that something?
My nephew told me about that and I said, well, you son of a gun.
Well, he's right.
We've got it up on the website right now.
People can go take a look for themselves.
So now we have pinned down, better than ever before, The area where Mel's Hole actually is, thank you Mel, that's damn good research.
By the way, not too far from there on the highway that goes to Yakima, I think it's 84 or 85, there's a rest stop.
And I had a lot of reports from a lot of people that if they look towards the Monastash, they will see the black beam of light.
They have seen it.
I have had truckers, I've had people in town say, that's where I was, I was looking towards it and I saw the flash of black light.
Maybe my audience is not aware, but a television crew went up to Ellensburg after we did the last program and researched this.
And I'll be doggoned, they didn't find the hole, but they did find near the area where you were talking about a lot of military boot prints and all kinds of information that would indicate the military in fact had been there or was there.
Oh, they would have probably seen a lot of yellow gear, tread marks on the ground.
Yup, yup, yup, yup.
You name it, it was there.
But my nephew coughed that little piece of information up for me and I thought I'd pass that along to our listeners.
Well, where do people get a load of this?
And they can ask, why is it that pretty innocuous?
I mean, from all intents and purposes, there's not a military base right there.
Well, who knows?
Well, I mean, you know what I'm saying.
Not an obvious one.
Very close to my property there was the Yakima Firing Range.
And I will tell you that they have expanded the area of the Yakima firing range and also expanded the fly zone over it, correspondingly.
Isn't this all so interesting?
It's just, it's all there.
Earlier in the program, before you got on Mel, somebody fast blasted me, and I consider this a really good question.
Okay.
It is, what are the odds of any single one person finding two apparently bottomless or endless holes In one lifetime.
The odds against that have got to be gazillions to one.
But then I... Oh, yeah.
In fact, so you don't even... You can't even consider ROTS, you know?
That's right.
So out of outlandish... Oh, by the way, one other thing before we even get to that.
Richard Hoagland called at the top of the hour and said, you know what, Art?
You're right.
Normal time travel could not explain what he just talked about.
But there is one thing that could.
And that is?
A parallel universe.
That is to say, a universe in which similar things occurred, but with very different outcomes.
And a lot of our best scientific minds now, Mel, are saying that, indeed, that could very well be the case.
You know, there could be a universe in which the Nazis won the war.
And so there could be a universe in which the dime that you There we are.
seem to be in possession of on that will be on it but it's good for berlin there
you go bell by car berlin pia forgot about that
uh... alright i've listened and anyway i thought that there were there we are and and uh...
the you don't know it don't think a few things i will add to this artistic to
get it correct yes
is that i had reports from uh... some of my trucker buddies who want that he delivered
a huge quantity
fiber optic cable.
Really?
To a warehouse in Ellensburg.
Now, okay, I don't know, we're talking a huge quantity to a warehouse.
Now, let's see, what might they want to do with fiber optics?
Well, he told me that all the guys that were there, that were in the office there and at the warehouse where he had to load the stuff, they were all Israelis.
What?
They were all Israelis.
Now, it's really going to tick me off if the Israelis have our hole.
Well, this is what he told me.
I mean, that is our hole.
It's a U.S.
hole.
It's on our land here.
That's right.
But he said that the people that took delivery of that were Israelis.
Now, I talked with another trucker.
I love the truckers.
The truckers are... I can tell.
I love them.
They're good guys, I know.
They're the best in the world.
They are, they actually are.
Delivered, apparently, to the same warehouse, a number of crated instruments, large crated instruments, from Lawrence Livermore Laboratory.
Oh, gee.
California ended up in a warehouse facility in Ellensburg.
So that's pretty much where I am with Ellensburg.
I told you about the coin.
I told you about the deliveries.
It's pretty much up to date.
Now it suddenly brings the whole belt buckle thing down in San Fran into focus.
My God, that's incredible.
That's incredible.
You know, it's funny, Art.
You look at some things and you don't put too much into it.
You say it's a dime.
I mean, I told you about it in 1943.
It was a belt dime.
What the heck?
That's a dime.
What are you going boo-hoo about your dime?
Until you realize...
Well, it finally all drove it home to me.
Again, that was me too.
I had these things in my hand.
I did little soldering around them and stuff.
Don't feel bad.
Now, in view of time here, let's move this forward.
You are connected, obviously, because of the plants that you grow, the earth, and all the rest of it, with Native Americans, right?
All I'm going to tell you about them, I don't want to give the name of the tribe, because I don't want a bunch of people running down to meet there.
These are very poor people.
As you know, a lot of the Indians on the reservation are very poor people.
Now this is in Nevada, right?
In Nevada.
Okay, here in my state.
And there are tribes up there that... Well, because of the kind of work you did, the metallic work you did, and belt buckles, and the herbs you grew, I can easily understand the connection you would have with Some Native Americans.
So you connected with these Native Americans?
Well, they connected with me.
They actually contacted me through email.
Oh!
And said, look, would you be interested in coming down and discussing with us, you know, what you're doing, the research that you're doing?
And, you know, talk about, you know, I have no, believe me, Art, I have no commercial interest in this at all.
But they do.
Okay.
That's fine.
Okay.
Fine.
You know, there's not going to be a patented bottle of Mel's Magic Elixir here, okay?
Okay, fine.
This is their thing.
You know, we swap notes, we talk around a lot, and there are some specific... They knew who you were because of my program.
Because of the show.
And so I went down there, and this was in early September of last year.
Okay.
This was actually before 9-11.
Right.
Okay, but shortly before that.
Early September.
I was pretty much in Communicado, basically, during that whole time, and strange enough, a lot of this stuff is news to me.
Alright.
So, you know, we're over there, and they had done a lot of good work.
They had cataloged a lot of plants.
You know, we talk plants.
I'm sure all this plant stuff is boring.
And I asked them if they knew, and I told them, I said, the plants that seemed to work the best were the plants that I had been growing On my property, and I described to him which ones they were.
This was the hole near Washington, right?
Yeah.
And so obviously you unraveled the story of the hole to them.
Well, they were aware of it.
So I said, can you, in your gathering and in your research and your studies, have you found this specific variety?
And I said, because this was the variety that grew.
By the property.
And that's where I ended up at the second haul, is because they took me directly to, not for the hole in particular.
Well then it's obvious to me that they knew your reputation.
Right.
They knew the whole story of the hole and the real motivation for inviting you down there, aside from the herbs and the rest of it, was that they had a hole of their own.
Well, the hole itself.
We're going to get into the hole, I guess, deeply, for lack of a better term.
Now you're guilty.
I'm sorry, Art.
But, basically, the hole is not on their property.
Okay.
I mean, basically, their connection to get from the reservation, or where the Indians are, to the hole, is they know where it is.
But you're telling me this hole is in my state?
In the state of Nevada.
In the state of, oh my God.
Okay.
And if you looked at the picture of where the Monastash is in Washington and try to find similar pictures in Nevada, you'd probably find it there, too.
We have very similar looking terrain to be sure.
It really is.
That's why I love the high desert.
That's my kind of land.
So anyway, so I'm up there, and this land is used by members of the Basque, B-A-S-Q-U-E community.
All right.
The Basque are interesting people and they basically came out to your state and a couple of other states basically for raising sheep of all things.
And so they are shepherds and so I am introduced to what is now the second hole.
All right.
Tell me about this.
I mean, they took you to it.
They took me there.
I did not go all the way up to the hole, but there was conversations between the Native Americans and the Basque and blah, blah, blah.
They basically agreed that everything was as it should be, that I wasn't from CNN or the FBI or CIA or whatever.
And so I went there and I got to see the hole.
All right.
What's there?
What it is, is that if you, you know, walking up to it, and first of all, this is in a fairly pristine area, okay, so there's like no real signs of civilization around there.
There's no roads leading into it, there's no telephone wires, nothing like that.
I mean, we're talking pristine area.
Right.
No signs of, except for their habitation, no signs of habitation.
Gotcha.
Okay, you're walking up to it, and what you see sticking out of the ground, Is a nine, well the hole itself is the same dimension as the one at Ellsworth.
Wow!
Nine feet in diameter?
Nine feet in diameter.
This one had a metal collar around it.
A metal collar?
Metal, solid metal collar.
That rose from hell?
Two feet high and about two feet deep.
Metal collar and it had some notches in it that you could look like In my estimation, you could make something with it, you know, to lock it in place.
It could possibly have been like a locking collar.
You mean something was, in other words, it looked like something intended to lock to it from above?
Exactly.
Something would be lowered onto it and locked into place.
But the Basques tell me that this property, or this hole here, has been there for all of their experience, that they have been there since the 1800s.
Just the way it is, but the same hole.
Not their land.
They don't own this land, Art.
This is probably government, U.S.
government land.
Well, the majority of land here in Nevada is BLM.
Well, exactly.
Bureau of Land Management.
It's not, they don't own it, they use the land.
You know, they graze sheep, blah blah blah, that sort of thing.
And how long have they known of this hole, do you know?
Again, the one fellow I know says he knew this from when he was a young man, and he was well into his late 80s.
So he knew it from probably for the last 70 years.
All right, because of what you did, we know a lot, at least quite a bit, about your hole near Ellensburg.
But this hole, what do we know about this hole other than its diameter?
It's the diameter, and apparently it is lined with that same metal as far as you can see.
You're kidding!
It is solidly lined as far as you can see.
So this is not a natural hole by any stretch?
There's nothing natural about this hole at all.
Nothing.
Can you tell what kind of metal it is?
No, but I'll tell you one thing.
It was kind of an accident, but I dropped a box wrench on it.
Right.
On the ledge?
Yes.
Made no noise?
No noise whatsoever.
You know, you drop a box wrench on a metal floor.
Clank.
Clank.
Nothing.
You know, we repeat the experiment.
Clank.
Nothing.
It makes no... You could pound on that thing with a sledgehammer, and it won't make noise.
Okay?
Oh, no.
This is what I'm telling you about right now, is that this one here is so different from the one that I had in Ellenspur.
Like, totally different.
Uh, mostly because of this metal.
Well, when you touch the metal, does it feel metallic?
Is it cold?
Wow, this is interesting because a lot of the fellows that are there, there's five of us that, you know, torched the end of it and started with two and ended up with five.
But what they say, when they're up there, even in the wintertime, they can put their tent and sleeping bag right up against it.
Keep them nice and warm.
Warm?
Yes.
It keeps them nice and warm, but it is not hot.
It's not like a fire hot.
But the metal itself over there radiates.
I don't even know how to describe it there.
In other words, if you touch it with your hand, is it hot?
Or does it just produce radiant heat?
There is heat around it, but it itself is not hot.
How does that work?
This is really weird, Mel.
So that's the thing there.
And so we have this, again, from my understanding, They have known about that hole up there.
It has been known since the 1800s.
It has been known exactly the way it is.
I can tell you that some of the people that I talked with, towards the end of everything on my way back, said it was a spiritual site for them up there.
I asked the native... Spiritual site.
All right, hold it right there, Mel.
Good cliffhanger point, so to speak.
Sorry about that.
Mel Waters is my guest, and we're beginning to hear about a second hole, oh my goodness, right here in Nevada.
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and and
Now it seems my holiness is giving up the fight.
Why should I ever refuse?
Why should I sing when I'm blue?
What did you do?
Waddle-oo, waddle-oo, I was just me and you were the whole world.
Waddle-oo, waddle-oo, I love you forever more.
Waddle-oo, couldn't escape you, my waddle-oo.
Waddle-oo, knowing my fate is in you.
Waddle-oo, waddle-oo, I love you forever more.
Tonight's program originally aired January 29, 2002.
Mel has confirmed one thing for us.
We found the image on the Terra server that Mel refers to that has a big, white square exactly where Mel's hole would be in Washington.
Now, Mel is connected with Native Americans here in my state, in Nevada, and the Basques, and they've led him to this second well, covered with metal.
It's got a metal collar all the way around it and get this folks going all the way down inside the well the metal
Continues far as as far as the eye can see or as they have been able to thus far detect more in a moment
Or now we take you back to the night of January 29th 2002 on art bells somewhere in time
Music playing Coming up on Thursday, by the way, I've got Jan Lombard here, who's an advocate of the hollow earth theory.
And that may, in some way, relate to what we're talking about tonight.
I have no idea.
We'll find out.
In the meantime, Mel, so you've got this metal around the hole about, you said, a foot or two high?
Two feet high, two feet high.
And two feet wide.
And the hole is nine feet in diameter.
And as far as you can see, the metal continues down.
This is no geographic hole.
This is no volcano vent.
Or if it is, it's been modified by Well, if it's been modified, it's been modified, I'm going to say, long before the technology that we know of today.
To do it.
And it looks like there was something that should be latching to this hole from above.
I'm going to call the thing on top a collar, okay?
We'll call it the collar, alright.
and it looked like that there is not just a bit of a look like
lock something into place for line something up at it it didn't move i mean the whole thing with solid solid
metal but there are places where they're not just that something is not uh...
orient my opinion all right what did the uh... the best or the uh... native
americans tell you about what they knew of the depth
of this whole in other words i'm sure they've thrown things into it or
experimented with trying to find out how deep it is or something, right?
Well, actually, they didn't do anything with lowering line it or anything to it, but they did relate to me the same phenomenon that I had described.
One, the fear of animals going by it.
Their dogs won't do it, nothing.
They have nothing to do with it there.
They, too, have spoken of the black beam.
They've spoken of that.
What kind of, what do you mean black beam?
From time to time, a black beam, this is a contradiction, but a black beam of light, okay, comes from the hole.
It lasts for a very short time, but it just goes directly up into the sky.
And when you look at it, it looks like A black beam, in other words, as opposed to a lighted sky.
If you had a flashlight and it was capable of throwing off a black, not a black light like we used to have back in the 60s, you know, with all that stuff, but black, solid black.
Gotcha.
That's what, there's no way to describe it.
There's no, I am one of the few people that, I've had other people tell me about it, I've never personally witnessed.
The Black Beam.
You did perform some experiments on this hole, didn't you?
Okay, let me talk about the first one.
I'm not a scientist, I'm kind of a researcher, but the first thing that we did is we had a whole bunch of Safeway or 7-Eleven bags of ice.
The kind that you buy, you know, and we had a couple bags of that.
But one in a bucket on the surface and we lowered another bucket of ice into the hole.
1,500 feet.
1,500 feet?
Yeah, we had access to a nice winch and about that much.
We only had 1,500 feet of line and that's what we... What was the idea of lowering ice into it?
Well, first of all, my curiosity was that I wanted to know, was it hot or cold down there?
Okay.
So we basically waited for the ice to melt about halfway on the surface, and then we would hoist up the... I see, so your ice, you had test ice on the surface?
Yeah.
Oh, I gotcha, I gotcha.
You know, your garden variety, convenience store ice, you know, that you buy anywhere, and there's nothing magic about it or anything like that.
Right, right.
And so we lowered it down there.
We waited for ice to melt on the surface there.
And it got about half melty, you know.
So it was sitting in a bowl of, in a bucket of water with a few bits of ice floating around.
We brought it up.
And the ice in the bucket did not melt.
It didn't melt?
It was not melted.
So we said, I mean, this was on... Now, wait a minute.
Now, the hole had been radiating, in some strange way, heat enough that people would camp by it.
Yeah, they did that in the wintertime.
But it doesn't melt ice?
It didn't melt the ice.
It came up there.
We looked in the bucket.
We had ice cubes in there.
Did anything come back up with the ice cubes?
We had ice cubes.
I reached in the bucket of ice cubes.
I picked one up there.
So in other words, nothing else?
Dirt, water, anything else?
Nothing else.
It appeared pretty much the way we had set it down, with the exception of when I put my hand in the ice.
The ice wasn't cold.
It felt like ice.
What?
It wasn't cold.
This is what I'm saying.
It wasn't cold.
You pick up a piece of ice, you put it in your hand.
It's cold.
It melts.
And it's cold.
In fact, it makes you cold by melting.
That's how cold works.
Right.
Well, it wasn't cold, and in the hand, it didn't melt.
So then, now they're more like blocks of glass?
Yeah, I would say so.
But we said, okay, what we'll do here is we'll take this bucket and we'll stick it on the fire.
We had a little place to cook.
The bucket with the unmelted ice?
Unmelted ice.
You put it on a fire?
We put it on like a cooking fire there.
Okay.
We had a little table and cooking area and stuff over there.
So we put it on there and the ice catches fire.
What?
Cubes catch fire.
And I guess maybe, uh, catching fire might be the wrong word.
Ice.
We took it off the fire right away.
And so we set it on the dirt.
And the stuff in the bucket was still burning.
And again, burning might not be the right thing.
It was given off heat.
Was there flame?
It was not so much a flame as a kind of a Have you ever used a gas stove?
Sure.
Okay.
It was like the barest turning a gas stove on.
It was like it was glowing like that last flicker before you turn it off completely.
That's what it was like around all the cubes.
And you could knock the cubes around and separate them, each one of them, you know, would exhibit the same properties.
Holy smokes!
I will tell you that this bucket Well, some of the bucket there is still sitting there, as far as I know today, still doing what it was doing the day we put it into the ground and brought it up.
So this was September, and this is January now.
That's how long it's been doing what I call burning.
One guy took some of the stuff home.
He put it in his wood stove.
And, you know, he's got a cabin out there, and, you know, it gets damn cold where he is, and the thing has been keeping his place warm.
Yeah, northern Nevada's very cold.
So, this is like giving off eternal heat?
Or when it's... I'm not sure I've got this right.
It was neutral when it came out of the well.
It was neutral.
In other words, we put it on the fire.
It appeared, again, my terminology, this is very bad.
It acted like a fuel.
It will look like, if I understand combustion, it was like it was doing combustion in a different way than we would attribute combustion to mixing air with fuel and creating heat and flame.
But it was doing kind of the same thing, is what I'd like to say.
And, uh, it's been burning like that since, again, burning is the wrong word, but that's all I got for it.
I don't know how to describe this process since early September.
Again, a guy has, he took about a coffee can's worth of this stuff and put it, took it home and put it in his wood stove in his cabin.
You know, no wood in there.
Yes.
And the thing has been going since then.
Now we have tried this experiment.
of just the lowering of the bucket because we figured we could, boy, we'd like to have a lot of this stuff here.
Oh, of course.
You know, so, and sometimes we would go down there and we would get nothing.
Sometimes we would get melted.
Sometimes, you know, not melted but realized.
But every so often this process duplicates itself.
So we come up with the same thing.
But it isn't like, you know, every time you throw, you know, you lower a bucket full of stuff there.
That it's going to happen every time?
It doesn't happen every single time.
A quarter of the time?
An eighth of the time?
Oh, I'd say one out of three times.
One out of three?
One out of three.
And I don't know if it was the amount of time down there.
Did you possess any of this yourself?
I took nothing with me, Art.
I would not.
What is the word?
This is theirs for now.
What about noise?
At any point, did it make any noise?
No.
During this process that we went through, it made no noise at all.
It made no noise and we did not notice anything from the surface, anything particularly Unusual, okay, at all.
Were there any markings on this medal that were discernible?
In other words, anything marked or scratched in English or any other language?
We went at it with a hacksaw blade.
You couldn't hacksaw it.
You couldn't even dent it?
No, the medal itself, from what I can determine.
I mean, normally if you have a metal thing that's hollow, you could tap on it and you would hear that it's hollow.
Right.
But with this thing here, you know, if you're beating on it with a, you know, like a tire iron, it doesn't make any noise.
It doesn't, that doesn't give you a gauge as to whether it's hollow or not.
So it was absorbing, probably, all noise.
I mean, there would have to... Maybe just sucking it up.
Maybe it radiated into the ground.
I have no idea.
That's not my area of expertise.
All I know is what I could see.
With my own eyes, and hopefully, by the end of tonight, maybe somebody will have some answer.
What did the locals believe about this hole?
Well, I mean, you literally just got back from Nevada, what, tonight or yesterday?
No, it was last week.
I got home the night that you did the show as the replay.
That's right, you told me, okay.
So it was one of those, you know, it was probably Richard Hoagland say, one of those synchronous moments there.
I mean, I'm talking to this guy, and he's talking to Mel Waters in the truck.
And then I hear myself, and it's like, hey!
I mean, it was just too much, and so I had to get in touch with him.
Okay, well, again, what did these locals, what was the lore that they told you about the hole?
Well, again, one of the older Basque men that I talked to, and this was practically as I was heading out of town, told me that it was a very To him, he felt it was a very spiritual place, but he knew the thing from his youth, that it was there exactly the way it is, and he was in his late 80s, so I'm assuming he's known it for 70 years.
So he's known it at least from the 30s, and from what he tells me, it's been there as long as the Basque had been in that part of the country, and that goes well into the 1800s.
It has existed like that.
To be honest, the Native Americans that I talked to were aware of it, but they did not want to deal with it.
They did not want to, oh, interact with it?
Is that a good word?
All they would do is pick some of the The various plants that I needed that were in the general vicinity of it because I wanted very specific ones that I had recommended and they knew of them.
Alright, are they now growing some of these plants in the vicinity of this hole?
Well, some of those plants are there.
They appear to be indigenous to the area so they did harvest some, you know, early on in the season there.
So then again, you saw similar vegetation around this hole To the one in Washington.
Well, that's why I asked them for, you know, if they knew, you know, I described to them what it was, you know, and the shape of the thing, and, you know, the size of the barrier.
And they said, oh yeah, we know that there, but in terms of why the entree, I assume that the Native Americans knew about this all along there.
And I assume that they must have had some conversation with the Basque there that, you know, would this be okay, are you interested in this guy, blah, whatever.
And apparently there was no objection, so I have access to this property.
But I want to respect my access, okay?
What about an experiment, Mel, similar to the one you did in Washington, lowering some sort of line, or better yet, some sort of camera on the end of a line?
We didn't do that.
Between the Tabasco and the Native Americans, we don't have too many nickels to rub together.
I will tell you what we did.
We wanted to lower some marijuana into the hole and see if it would improve its facility.
So then it would be a pothole, right?
Well, I guess it could be.
I hadn't thought of it that way, but he wanted to do that, and one guy wanted to be lowered into the hole himself.
Ah, well, now you see, in the hour preceding your interview... I heard that.
Oh, did you?
Two people who would actually like to be lowered into such a hole.
Now, I know that you believed in the powers of the hole in Washington to the degree That in the original agreement, now voided, I suppose, you were to be, upon your death, buried by being dropped into the hole, right?
How I want my remains to be dealt with, yes.
Now that, apparently, is not going to happen, because of subsequent events.
Oh, I've got another place to go now.
would you really want to yes would you really want to be uh...
i suppose when i was on with some ceremony dropped into the whole
You know, just give me a decent, I don't know what it is when you put someone in a hole, is that interned?
I don't know what you'd call that.
I don't know either.
But one of these guys wanted to go, literally, he wanted to be lowered into the hole.
He wanted to be put in a gondola or something and lowered from the winch into the hole.
The hole, and go down as far as we had line, which again was 1,500 feet.
I can assure you, Mel, we could get sponsors for you who would get you all the line you need.
Look, we talked about going into the hole because we said, look, see what it did to the ice?
That's a good point.
We set a bucket of ice down into this hole, and it's sitting up there on the surface burning.
I mean, what are you made out of, mostly?
Water.
What's going to happen to a human being down there?
What properties are going on over there?
You know, but the Basques, as a race, are fearless.
When the Moors invaded Spain, They refused to go into battle country.
What did this man say his motivation was for wanting to go into the hole?
He was just a young, strong, probably late 20's, early 30's fellow that wanted to go.
Intuitively, he said, this is going to be a great adventure.
I want to go in here.
I want to see what's going on.
But he wasn't thinking with his brain.
Well, there are obviously a lot of people like that, Mel, because I had two of them in the first hour of the program, and they said they would love to be lowered into such a hole.
And this one, if anything, this one sounds more attractive.
Well, we determined to do, and I'm ashamed to admit it, is that we decided to lower a sheep.
Really?
To the hole.
Really?
You did.
Into the hole.
We had a crate that the sheep could fit into that we could attach the cables to.
We were going to take the sheep, stick them in the crate, and lower them down to the 1,500 foot level.
Because that's all we had.
Like the ice.
Yeah, that's all we had.
We had enough line, basically, to go that far.
It was stout enough to handle.
I'm no sheep guy, but I could pick up a sheep, so it must weigh about 120, 150 pounds.
I guess about the size of a small human, wouldn't you say?
I would say about 150 pounds for a sheep.
Yeah, I would say that's about the size.
I'm no sheep expert, but if I had to say how much does that sheep look like, it would weigh about 150, 125 pounds.
Are you telling me you did this?
I'm telling you that we will first.
All right, all right.
I'll tell you what.
Don't say a word.
Good place to hang everybody up.
Be sure they're here next hour.
Did he really lower a sheep 1,500 feet into the endless hole?
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Alright, just about to get back to Mel Waters, and he had brought up the subject of a sheep,
which apparently they were considering lowering 1,500 feet into the hole.
Now, we were having fun last week with Mel's hole, talking about it a little bit.
We knew he was going to be on.
And somebody said, well, why not toss a cat down Mel's hole and see what happens?
Now, of course, you know, I'm a cat lover, and so this is not cruelty, because nobody is seriously suggesting Tossing a cat down Mel's Hole, but some very creative person with a sound blaster and some talent and a little manipulation created what it would sound like if a cat were to be tossed into Mel's Hole.
It's meant, obviously, as pure comedy.
This is not actually a cat being tossed into Bell's hole, but here is the way he represented it would sound.
Meow.
I'm here.
Ha ha ha. It's the second one that gets me. Not the first one.
The first one is pretty good as you hear the sort of the echo of the cat appearing down the hall.
It's the second little one.
There it goes.
That was what somebody thought it would sound like, Mel.
Anyway, so.
You decided that you would lower a sheep 1,500 feet down as low as the ice had gone into the hole.
Well, we had decided that we were going to take the sheep and put them in a crate and lower them into the hole.
We led the sheep to the hole and it just started freaking out.
Like every other animal?
Yes, but I mean it was like Totally.
Totally.
I'm not happy.
Not happy.
And, you know, I have a lot of respect for animals and it's amazing what animals really know and what they sense.
Well, you're right about that.
And so if it was terrified... It was terrified, so the bass got the sheep away from the hole.
And again, a lot of what I'm going to say now I am thoroughly ashamed of.
That's alright.
Just give us the raw truth.
He basically stunned the sheep by knocking it between the eyes.
Got into the crate.
Got the cable and line hooked up to it so it was all securely attached.
Just about when we got to the hole, Sheep just started making horrible noises.
So he stunned it, but he didn't kill the sheep, okay?
He just knocked it out.
So it was live when it went in the box, and then it stirred when it got to the hole.
Anyway, it was just making the worst god-awful noises we were getting it About ready to let it go into the hole.
Even though it had been hit in the head?
It stirred by the time we got it crated up into the crate.
There was enough room for it to lie down and I guess if it wanted to it could stand up.
I don't know.
Again, this is not pleasant to talk about.
We take the sheep and it's screaming and just the most piercing, horrible Gasly noises coming out of this crate until we get it right over where we're going to let it into the hole and then everything just stops dead silent.
There's not a sound coming out of that box.
There's movement coming out of the box.
You can still tell.
But no sound.
There's no sound anymore.
Well, there's something about this hole and sound, isn't there?
I guess we will make that assumption.
And so we started winching this sheep down into the hole in the
you could feel from the line as we're lowering that thing is struggling uh...
fighting i don't know if it's screaming down there but we're not hearing
this thing screaming and uh...
and then we got by halfway down into the hole uh... but they said i would repeat and then the uh...
any any movement might have been coming from the uh...
great we couldn't uh... until they were no
No.
No.
We couldn't feel anything.
So I don't know, at 700 feet or so, about half the line, what happened over there.
When we got to, at this point here, the original experiment with the ice, you know, we were kind of nonchalant about it.
You know, we just kind of lowered it down there.
Well, with this one here, we were all gathered around the top of the hole there looking and seeing what was going on.
Probably very apprehensive.
You know, this is, you know, this is...
A serious business here.
When we hit the bottom, we felt, up up there, we felt like a vibration on the collar at a point in time when it was down there.
It's kind of hard to describe.
Well, what do you mean when you hit the bottom?
When we hit the bottom of the rope, the cable line assembly that we had.
You mean when it was all the way playing out?
Yeah, when we got there, we felt, and it vibrated, or it felt like a vibration, and sort of like A static-y, electricity-type kind of feeling.
Does that make sense?
Yes.
That we could feel up there.
Yeah.
And so we got it down to 1,500 feet, and we left it there for about a half an hour.
And then we decided to bring it back up.
Right, sure.
So, you know, we're hoisting this thing up here, cranking away, getting this thing up on there.
And it's kind of a job.
So, you know, we finally get up to the surface.
We got the box out of there.
And, you know, the one thing we noticed is there isn't any movement in the box.
Okay?
No.
There's no box.
We got the box there.
But the box from the outside looked pretty normal.
You know, it didn't look like some weird transformation had occurred or anything.
Right.
I wanted to describe to you, tell you about the ice that came up that didn't melt.
Right.
What it felt like.
You get a lot of electronic equipment and you get those do not eat packets.
Oh, yes.
The desiccant.
Yes.
Ever take the desiccant out of the packet?
No, never.
Well, if you take it out there and you feel the desiccant between your fingers, that's kind of what it felt like.
That's the best thing I could describe it.
I had that sort of You try it someday, and you'll... I've always just thrown those away.
Oh, well you don't eat them, obviously.
No, no, no.
Okay, so I just struck me there that, you know, I'm trying to describe this thing in the detail that I can, and so I just led back to the desiccant.
But we open up the crate, and the sheep is dead.
It looks like a sheep.
Okay, it looks like a normal sheep over there.
And it's dead.
Dead.
There's no sign of life.
You know, you poke at it, there's nothing going on with this sheep here.
He's dead.
Well, I'm saying here, but that's a generic he.
And I don't know from sheep, okay?
Can you show me a sheep?
I can't tell what it is.
Gotcha.
Me neither.
Okay.
But we take it out of the box, and one of the basks lays it on the table that we have over there, and he is going to dissect the sheep.
Now, on the outside, the sheep looked just fine.
You know, that the hair, you know, that the wool, whatever a sheep has, looks fine.
It looked like, we said, that the sheep looked like how he looked when we sent him into the hole.
Minus a bump on the head, yeah.
Well, yeah.
And they stirred from that.
But he started cutting into the sheep, and it looked like the sheep had been cooked.
It was, the flesh was hot underneath, you know, when he started cutting through the sheep here, it looked like the sheep had been cooked.
Oh my.
Now these Basque guys, they're pretty good at butchering a sheep there, and they know their way around a sheep, and so they pretty much can butcher, and they know what to expect when you open up a sheep.
Right.
You know, so, you know, we got the sheep on this table that we, you know, eat that, and You know, this guy is cutting a sheep open here.
He gets it so he can look inside and see the internal organs like he's going to eviscerate the sheep.
Right.
Except they're not what we expected.
What do you mean?
It looked like there was gel in the cavity there.
And something that looked like this huge tumor.
And almost taking up the entire length of the body cavity.
Oh, no.
It was pretty hideous.
Oh, God.
I didn't... I'm getting kind of sick about this thing, too, but I was getting kind of sick when I was there, so I wasn't as close to all of this as I would want to be if I was a scientific observer.
But there's this huge tumor taking up most of the Where the internal organs would be, the heart, the lungs, whatever part the sheep comes with, they weren't there.
And what are these bad guys who are doing this saying at this point?
Well, some of them are muttering plenty of expletives over here, and they're freaked out there, and I remember saying, see I told you, you didn't want to go into that hole.
You know, I mean... That's right.
And the two guys who volunteered my first hour are probably rethinking it right now, too.
Well, if they want to collect on some life insurance, fine.
Go for it.
That's what one of them said, yeah.
Anyway, so we've got this gel, and the guy's good with a knife here, and he kind of is able to get the tumor out of this thing here.
Yeah?
I'd say it's about as big as the sheep's calves.
I don't know, two feet?
In other words, the tumor was almost taking up the entire inside of the... Okay, so you've got this tumor, and we could detect, we could see that the tumor had some movement to it.
What?
Yes, it had movement to it, and I'm going to describe it like a heart beating.
There's not a beating of a heart, just like a pulsing from this tumor.
A pulsing tumor.
Oh my God, Mel.
So we get to the point where we got this tumor out there and he's working on trying to cut open it.
It's really a tough thing to cut into, but he was finally able to get into it.
Yeah.
And boy, I'm going to tell you here, he opens it up there and inside this tumor, Is what it appeared to be a fetal seal.
Like, you know, like... A fetal what?
Seal.
Like a pinniped.
A thing that lives in the ocean.
Yes.
That balances balls on its nose.
Yes.
It's about 18 inches long.
You know, it's got the flippers on it.
And it looks like a little seal.
It looks just like your, basically, your little seal.
Except it had I don't want people to freak out, but it had what looked to me like human eyes.
Like a human being?
You know what cat eyes look like?
You know what dog eyes look like?
I don't know what seal eyes look like, but I know what human eyes look like.
Sure you do.
And this thing looks like it had human eyes.
And the thing was alive, but it was connected to the tumor, like with this umbilical cord.
Holy mackerel, Mel!
And we could see the seal moving his eyes, and it was, I'm calling it a seal, okay, but I have no idea what the heck this thing is, okay?
I'm calling it a seal.
But it's opening its eyes, it's closing, the flippers are moving, it's still connected to its tumor there.
We noticed, and I noticed, that it seemed to be studying us.
It seemed to be looking at us.
That was the feeling.
It seemed to be regarding us while we were looking at it.
So that's the feeling I got off of this seal.
And then, this thing separated from the tumor without our assistance.
We thought, well, maybe we'll cut this thing free.
Right there on the table?
Right there, and it moved about a little on the table.
Yeah.
You know, so we're all standing back at that point because this thing is loose, you know.
I'll be way back.
And, you know, we're watching this seal, and again, that's the only way I could describe it because it looked like a seal to me.
And then I felt, well, I just felt I was in the presence of something extraordinary, something beyond extraordinary, something like, I don't know.
I'm not a religious man, but I felt in that category of having a religious thing, there was just such a stunning thing to witness.
Well, something that far from our understanding would appear to be magic or religion or whatever you want to call it, I'm sure.
Yeah, so what did, what in God's name happened to this thing?
Well, we left it there and it began to, you know, it just kind of looked at us there and, you know, one of the Basques suggested we kill it, you know, and, you know, just kind of club it, unfortunately.
Is that what they did?
No.
Basically, Cooler has prevailed.
The thing was moving around on a table, and it finally moved to the edge of the table.
It was kind of like struggling, but it got to the edge of the table.
And it looked like it was going to fall off.
Right.
So I go up to it at this point, because I'm just out of my head with, I don't know what.
I'm in the presence of.
It looked directly at me when I got up to it, and it seemed, you know, it just seemed to have a contact with me.
And I got this compelling feeling to pick it up and place it on the ground.
And I did that.
I took this thing and I put it on the ground by a table.
My hands were slimy from the seal, because it had like this goo that was not only in the cavity, But also inside the tumor.
And I'm just calling it a tumor because I have no vocabulary for this.
Right.
And I just move my hands past my face before I decide to wipe them off on the rag at the table there.
Right.
And it smelled like ozone.
Like ozone?
You don't smell like ozone?
Of course I do, yes.
That's what it smelled like.
Because I thought it would be some sort of weird, organic-y smell.
Yeah.
You know, some sort of like disgusting, you know, I just thought it would smell disgusting.
It smelled like ozone.
Okay.
So this thing is lying on the ground and we're all looking at this thing here and it's like looking at each of us in turn.
In other words, intelligently.
Yes.
Yes.
We must have been there just absolutely transfixed by this, I'll call it a creature now, for like two hours.
And what was it doing during those two hours?
Studying each one of us.
It wasn't moving around that much?
Just its head.
Because we had gathered, cowardly, but a safe distance away from it, but not too safe, you know.
So we could easily see it, and they could easily see us.
Because at this point here, even the bravest bastards were kind of freaked out.
I'd have been long gone, Mel.
Again, the masks are great.
All right, well, hold it right there, Mel.
Here's this thing on the ground now.
I'm moving around much, but carefully studying each and every one of them who have by now retreated to a safe distance.
That's where we'll pick up when we get back.
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I knew that Mel had found another hole, but I didn't know anything about all of this.
This is incredible.
Pretty freaky stuff.
A number of questions for Mel.
We'll try and get the phones in this last half hour.
Everybody stay right where you are.
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This is Coast to Coast AF.
Now we take you back to the night of January 29th, 2002, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
What is the story of the man who was once a man?
What is the story of the man who was once a man?
What?
Once again, Mel Waters, so here's this thing staring at each and every one of you, examining you, obviously intelligent in some way, and it looks like a seal, not like a sheep at all, that came out of this godforsaken tumor that was in this thing.
What happened?
You know, I got this seal, and he's kind of grinding waddles around a little bit in the direction of the hole, and he's just sort of watching us some more, and we're sort of kind of at a safe distance, but we kind of encroach upon a little bit there, and I'm telling Basque, you're the big, brave Basque here, you know, don't be afraid of this thing here.
I'm just, you know, just an ordinary old guy here.
So, you know, we did.
We went up to it there, and I just looked.
at us here and the look that it was giving us was the only way I can describe it was like the most
compassionate look that I'd ever seen from from
any face it just
the way the eyes were looking and and
feeling this and so some amount of time elapsed and then the
the little seal there starts to waddle again towards
the hole and I get this feeling that it wants to go up on on on the ledge on the on the the collar
Right.
So I pick it up in my hand, and I set it right there on there.
It moves around a little bit, and at this point, we're pretty comfortable with this thing.
I am.
And my comrades there are pretty comfortable with it.
I mean, we're not like freaked out anymore like we were.
And maybe it's just, you know, we're over the shock, or maybe we are in shock.
But that look that was giving us, it didn't seem like an evil thing or a horrible thing.
It seemed like... I'm sure you were in some state of shock.
Yeah.
So it's up there, and then...
It moved around, I don't know how, maybe an hour, he's on the collar.
It looks at us, it actually nodded at us.
It made like a slow nod, and it turned around and went back into the hole.
At this point, we were close to it, so we watched him go all the way down as far as we could see, and we didn't have high-powered light shirting, so it No sound, nothing like that.
Into the hole, and that was it.
Into the hole.
And so, we were all just moved, just drained.
I'm drained telling you this, Art, because it is such an enormous thing to go through.
You realize it sounds like an unbelievable tale from Alien or something.
I don't know what it sounds like.
All I can do now is to relay it and try to stand back from it.
Does anybody have any photographs of this hole?
I went up there from the natives to the hole.
I basically camped At that property.
Right.
I didn't come and go.
No one came and go.
We had what we had over there.
And so we didn't bring photographs.
Personally, I didn't want to, you know, I thought to myself, look, this would be great.
We could get this all on film, on video, whatever.
Right.
But I did not want to encroach upon what they had.
And if they came to me and said, Look, look, look, Mel, why don't we go to town, go home, get our stuff, you know, and try to video, you know, fine.
I would have said that, but I was not going to broach the subject with that.
You know, I mean, I did, you know, I mean, to me, it was an enormous privilege to go where I'd gone at that point.
Are you likely to go back to the hole?
Yes.
You're going to?
I will.
I will let you know that we At first we decided, we thought we would bury the sheep's carcass and the tumor.
We decided it was just best to take the whole thing and put everything back into the hole where it all came from.
So I just, you know, we just let it be.
We had a tarp on the, we just dumped the hole.
Everything back into the hole where it came from.
I didn't know what else to do.
Again, we thought about burying it, and it just didn't seem right.
So that's what we did.
I want to tell you something that is, I believe, related to this experience, and that is prior to going to Nevada.
This was in late August.
I was diagnosed with a particularly lethal form of esophageal cancer.
Oh, I'm so sorry.
This was a six, you know, like the kind that you have six months to live, but you know,
they're just telling you that.
You know, that there's, you know, like nothing they can do about it, but it was very fast
growing.
And one of the reasons I came back here was to see the same doctor because I started feeling
a lot better.
And my last examination with the doctor finds me cancer free.
I can't explain it.
Then you could document this, right?
Because he had that.
Yes.
Because they had whatever stuff diagnosing the cancer.
And I went back to the doctor and they could find no evidence of it.
Of any cancer.
Is it your feeling that your proximity to the hole or something about the hole changed this?
I think it was the seal.
The seal?
I think it was the seal.
The seal?
I describe this thing as this huge tumor.
And that's what I had.
But I described it as a tumor because that was the only vocabulary I had to describe it with.
Gotcha.
And I handled this.
Well, that's right, you did.
And I smelled the ozone from it and it just, the look that it gave me, there was something going on.
I can't say, look, I was communing with the seal and I was, you know, Had this conversation with this seal.
No, I can't say that.
But what I can say is that I had this feeling of such incredible compassion from this seal that ultimately went back into the hole.
That was it.
And what was the conversation like after all this was over, Mel, between the Basques and the Native Americans and yourself?
First of all, the best that I was with, they were young guys, okay, and I think before this kind of your kind of shiftless sort of characters, you know, partiers and all that, and they were like just profoundly moved.
I mean, they were just, had stuff going on in their mind after that that, you know, they had been to another place, another time, another anything.
Their reality had been all changed.
I had the opportunity before I left Nevada to speak right before I left.
I went back into civilization and spoke with a Basque elder.
This was the elderly fellow that I was referring to that told me some of the history of that.
He remembered it from being a young man and he described it to me and all of this stuff And we had just an agree, because his thing was he himself would go there to that area for spiritual connection, that there was something very spiritual, very primal that was going on.
He was a tough guy to talk to in some ways because he was more schooled in Basque than he was in English, but he got English out and up for me to And so we talked actually a great length about the meaning of this.
We did have some of the Native American people that I worked with at that particular thing.
It was kind of like a party sort of atmosphere out there.
We were drinking what they like to drink and eating good Basque food and all of that.
It was a good experience there.
Kind of decompressed from all of this.
But he could not relate to me any experience like what we had, except he knew.
He almost expected what it was that I was telling him.
I mean, he just totally, firmly, completely believed what it was that I was telling him.
There was no surprise to him at all in this thing here.
I got this really old Bass guy there, and he's He's just taking all this in stride and nodding.
So he knows there's something enormous, of great enormity there.
My goal is to go back.
I have agreed to work with the people I was working with, with the herbs, and live amongst them and spend some time with The tribal members and some time with the Basque and spend it.
Are you going to do anything else with the hole itself?
With the one in Nevada?
Yes.
Well, at this point I don't know what we're going to do.
I come back, I'm overjoyed that I'm cancer free.
I felt so good after that experience that I knew something happened to my body so I was glad to get back.
And have it confirmed that the doctor said yes.
But I do plan to go back.
I do plan to study it.
I hope to be a better human being about this and not send innocent animals into it or what have you.
That to me, I guess, I still can't believe that I allowed that to happen, but I did.
Well, I appreciate your telling the story straight out this way.
That's the only way to do it.
That's the only way to do it.
And, you know, I've got to tell you, I'm not selling a book.
Obviously.
I don't have a newsletter.
Right.
There are no Mel's Hole t-shirts.
Mel's Hole... Not that you produced, anyway.
Well, nothing that I have done.
There are no Mel's Hole diaper pails or anything like that.
I mean, to me... Mel's Hole diaper pails?
Well, they will commercialize everything in the world, and I have no part of this.
This has been just an extraordinary ride for me.
Okay?
Nothing I could have ever imagined in anyone's life.
To go where I've been, to be where I was, to go up, to go down, to be in the presence of such an amazing thing.
My only goal is to leave a permanent record of what happened.
How closely are you willing to identify the location of this new hole?
Just northern Nevada?
I'm going to put it there.
I don't want the tribal people up there to be overwhelmed by people rushing out of Reno to get up there and do all of that.
I am going to go back.
Do you think you could politely approach the Basque and, without identifying the specific area, get photographs?
If I feel comfortable, I will do that.
I will also, at this point, and I just have a little bit of what I have that happened in my Nevada experience left, but I know we're running out of time, is that anyone that can help me understand some of these things, if they can send an email to me, I'd appreciate it.
All right.
You have an email address, right?
This is Mel Waters at A-T-T-B-I.
That's Mel Waters at A-T-T-B-I.com.
That's Mel Waters at ATTBI.com.
What is it you want?
I cannot promise to maintain a dialogue with people, but there are other people out there
that have had any type of understanding of this that could make some sense to me that
I'm going to listen with fascination to your program on the Hollow Earth business, because that's something I don't know about, but I'd sure like to know.
Well, there may be a relationship, obviously.
And so, that I'm going to look at.
But I mean, what do you want in email?
Do you want some support?
You're going to get media contacts?
What I really want is the people that have good, serious opinions about this, that understand some of this.
I described a lot of things that occurred.
I don't understand any of them.
I only described them.
You know, I mean, going back to what I started with talking about Ellensburg and bringing it up to today.
Yeah, well, I get it.
I'll put it out.
You want somebody who might understand all of this and that, you know, may have been studying these types of matters, that have had theories, whatever.
That's good.
But I'm going to be away from civilization for a good part of time.
So it's going to be difficult because I'm going to be going back probably Mid-March, mid-February, mid-March, somewhere in that timeline.
And I'm going to go up there for a period of time.
I'll probably give you another contact when I get back to some sort of civilization, probably from Nevada.
But I probably will get in touch with you again.
Okay.
By all means, Mel, please, try and see if they will allow you, I mean, without identifying the area, Just to get some kind of photographic evidence.
I'm going to be afraid that people are going to be scouring that terror server now that I get that out there.
Well, they probably will.
I want to bring the final thing, because we were talking about the Baskelder.
It was a very profound experience for me to talk with him.
Though he was not that much older than me, I felt, but he was a great deal older than me.
Wiser?
Beyond that.
So I know I can respect that, but we were sitting, you know, there and talking well into the night, drinking a good Basque drink that they like to drink and all that good stuff, and he got tired and he was going to retire for the night, and he took my hand, you know, to clasp it.
And in my hand, he put something in my hand when he was leaving, and he closed my hand.
He just told me, put that away.
So I just put it in my pocket and sat around talking with his family.
And someone said, aren't you going to look at what the great-great-grandfather gave you?
Oh, okay.
So I take it out of my pocket, and it's a 1943 Roosevelt dime.
They told me he had found a similar packet of Roosevelt dimes up there in Nevada, Chinese red envelope, and I said to him, I said, you know how valuable this thing is?
I said, you know what this would sell at a coin auction?
They said, no, you have to have it.
You need to have this.
Do you have it now?
I have it.
It's in my hand as we speak.
How about a photograph of that now?
If I can scan a 1943 dime, you will have it.
Or get somebody who's got a really good quality digital camera, go to the macro setting, and take a very close photograph of it.
Close-up.
Can you do that?
I will do everything I can to do that.
You know my email address, right?
Yes, we can do that.
But that's what he left me with.
He said to me that it was very, very, very important.
Or they told me, because they finished the rest of it.
He told me this was something I had to have.
Now, I hadn't told him anything.
In fact, outside the Fellow in Ellensburg, no one else knew about the dimes and the red envelope.
But he found one out there, and he had it for years.
I think he had it since the 40s, to be honest with you.
Mel, all I can tell you is we are out of time.
This was one hell of a story.
I'm drenched.
You know, I can tell.
I can hear it in your voice.
Mel, thank you for being here tonight.
Thanks for catching us up on what was and what is.
Oh my gosh.
Okay.
Take care, my friend, and I really mean take care.
I will.
Good night.
Good night, Art.
Yikes.
All right, from the high desert, I have no further comments.
I'm Art Bell.
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