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Jan. 16, 2002 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Mark Hazlewood - Blindsided by Planet X. Vincent Lords - Sensory Deprivation Experiment

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, good afternoon, as it may be whenever you are on 24 time zones circling the globe.
		Myself, this is coast to coast A.M. In a moment, I've got somebody I want you to meet.
		But right now, looking at the news about the world, there is quite a bit of it.
		Richard Reed, the British citizen accused of trying to ignite explosives in his shoes while on board a U.S. jetliner.
		Indicted today of being an al-Qaeda terrorist, trained terrorist anyway.
		He could get up to five life sentences for what he has done.
		So they keep showing a picture of him on CNN, and I have noted that pinheaded cats aren't too bright.
		I don't know if you've ever, if you're a cat person, but the real pinheaded cats, they're not too really bright.
		And when I see him on CNN, he looks like a pinheaded cat.
		And the UN Security Council adopted sanctions today against Osama bin Laden, his terror network, and the remnants of the Taliban, requiring all nations to impose arms embargoes and freeze their monies.
		Of course, if we find him, the sanction will be boom.
		The senior auditor, here it is again, another Enron story.
		Enron is developing just like Watergate.
		It doesn't have quite the same political connotations yet.
		And it may not, but every day a new Enron story.
		A senior auditor fired for destroying documents in the Enron affair knew in August that a company whistleblower was warning about the whole thing.
		That was congressional investigators who revealed that.
		So every day we get a new Enron story.
		And then, of course, the shooting, the schools.
		Grundy, Virginia, this time, a student who had been dismissed from law school, went on a campus shooting spree, killed the dean, a professor, and a student before he was tackled by students.
		There are also others wounded in varying conditions.
		Headshakers, I don't know.
		These days, schools.
		These days, schools.
		May have more to tell you about schools soon.
		30 more Al-Qaeda and Tiliban prisoners arrived in Cuba today where officials are warning that several are just saying, you know, every opportunity they get, they're going to riot and kill Americans, do whatever they can do.
		Wonder what's going to happen to them from Cuba.
		Bill Gates announcing his company is going to, instead of working on new goodies, you know, to put into the Windows system, they're going to start working on security issues.
		That's a good idea, Bill.
		The U.S. stock market taking a bath, down 211.88, the Dow down 211 points, almost 212 points.
		Not a good day on the markets.
		Now, this is a really interesting story, and it comes from the BBC.
		So many times, I'm sorry to say, we must go overseas to various publications overseas to get these stories instead of here.
		But it's from the BBC, and it says, marine scientists in India say that an archaeological site off India's western coast may be up to 9,000 years old.
		The revelation comes about eight months after acoustic images, doesn't this sound familiar, from the seabed suggested the presence of built-up structures resembling the ancient Harappan civilization, which dates back around 4,000 years.
		The Harappan civilization is the oldest on that subcontinent, though Paleolithic sites dating back to about 20,000 years have been found off the coast of India's western state before.
		This is the first time there are indications of man-made structures as old as 9,500 years.
		So again and again and again, that's from the BBC.
		Again and again and again, we're learning that there probably were those who came before us in every way we understand it and maybe even before them.
		And so I think our traditional ideas of how long we've been here, how we got here, all the rest of it are highly suspect.
		And it may be that civilization has come and gone previously.
		And oh, by the way, on that subject, coming up next hour is Mark Hazelwood.
		He'll be talking about Planet X and perhaps those who have come and gone before us.
		From a newspaper in New Delhi, a dead man shocked relatives and doctors in the northern city of Lucknow.
		That's a good name for it.
		Lucknow, huh?
		Lucknow, when he suddenly came alive just minutes before he was to be taken for cremation.
		In other words, they were going to roll the body into the fiery chamber.
		Only 55 years old, the man was admitted to a government hospital suffering from TB, tuberculosis on December 29th last year, but declared dead.
		Right at the end of the year, declared dead, shifted to a mortuary 14 days later.
unidentified		Shifted to a mortuary 14 days later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the family began making arrangements for the funeral.
		However, 14 days, my God.
		Anyway, when they brought the body out from the mortuary and began to load it actually on the vehicle to be taken to the fires, quoting the son, my father gasped For breath.
		So everybody was surprised.
		The man is now in the hospital in serious condition.
		And it's a horrible thing to contemplate, but you've got to imagine.
		You've got to imagine that we might not fully understand sufficiently the process of death itself.
		And we just don't.
		And I wonder how many people who, you know, actually die.
		It was a morbid thought, but you've got to think about it when you read these stories.
		I wonder how many people who actually die hear or somehow know everything that's going on.
		The plans for the funeral or the cremation or whatever it is that's going to happen.
		The grieving relatives.
		Sort of noticing as people pass by your casket, bid you farewell, that kind of thing.
		Hopefully consciousness...
		In a moment, I've got somebody I want you to meet.
		Now, the person I wanted you to meet.
		I got a pretty interesting email earlier today, and it reads as follows.
		Art, I'll get right to the point.
		I can physically levitate.
		No tricks.
		The real thing.
		I was recently buried alive to beat magician David Blaine's record of seven days.
		I went nine days.
		And I'll tell you after that, some really amazing things began to happen.
		I went 12 days without food.
		I did this, so several things I experienced in the tomb I wrote off as hallucinations due to lack of nutrition.
		Well, two months later, they're getting more intense.
		What have I opened up here?
		Would like to talk to someone, levitation, like beings?
		It's all at my disposal.
		Why?
		All I know is that I can do some things that might be considered beyond this reality.
		And it's signed Vincent Lords.
		Vincent, welcome to the program.
		How are you, Art?
		I'm okay.
		Okay.
		That's some story you're weaving.
		Now, you decided you wanted to beat David Blaine's record, and how did you go about endeavoring to do that?
unidentified		Through a year and a half of process of meditation, self-hypnosis, yoga breathing, because a lot of magicians in the industry claimed that he wasn't there.
unidentified		It was a hologram.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stay good and close to the phone for me.
		That's better.
		There we go.
		Okay, so that was the metal preparation and physical.
		But I mean, how did you go about documenting the fact that you were going to do this?
		Who was watching you?
		Was anything over you?
unidentified		A gentleman by the name of Dr. Silcini, was my mentor through this, to assist me in this, making the coffins, the preparations, the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If your lips are touching the phone, then you're in the right place, okay?
		Okay, so a doctor helped you.
		And you said coffin?
unidentified		Yeah, I had to build a special coffin that would hold the weight of the earth and risk not having it collapse in on me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so you really got buried?
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How far down?
unidentified		This was actually in a crypt that was sealed with dirt on top of it because they wouldn't let us dig inside of Edison Field.
unidentified		So they put me in a box inside of a box and then covered that box full of dirt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you were in there for a total of how long?
unidentified		Nine days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		Yeah.
		Nine days of absolute sensory deprivation.
unidentified		Could you see or hear anything at all?
		They had what we call the visiport, which was where the oxygen was being pumped in, where the public was invited to look down into the coffin to verify it was there.
		The hardest thing was it was light in there 24 hours a day because we had a light, because we had cameras inside of the coffin, so the public could see me on my Crip Cam like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So your Crypt Cam.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your Crip Cam.
		Oh my God, I've got a million questions.
		Nine days.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did some marathons myself, and one of the first questions that pops into my head is, how did you handle the bodily functions part?
unidentified		Well, I had a trucker's tube for number one, and then I cleaned my system out three days before I went in, so I didn't have to worry about number two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		Gotcha.
		Okay.
unidentified		So, I mean, there's quite a bit of preparation.
unidentified		When I say I fasted for 12 days because I had to fast three days before I went in, so a total of nine and then three.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why did you want to do this?
unidentified		Because people said it couldn't be done.
unidentified		Doctors, psychiatrists said that you would go crazy, that it was impossible, and it had to be trickery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this doctor who helped you, how did, what was his advice to you?
unidentified		He said it could be done.
		It was going to take a lot of mental preparation.
		And we went through, we had codes that if I wouldn't react with a certain way at a certain time, he'd pull me out.
		He had to legally.
		We had a contract that if I was showing, you know, signs of physical or mental stress, and that was part of the deal, get me out of there.
		So I had code words every day that I had to repeat to him and or they would pull me out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nine days.
		All right.
		In nine days, what began to occur to you?
unidentified		Just a lot of it was what I would consider to be dreams.
		Since I knew I was going to be in a box for nine days, I realized physically, yes, I have to be in this box.
		Mentally, you know, I can go in my little special place or whatnot.
		However, that little special place sort of now seems like it might have been what some people call astral projections.
		I would actually see myself levitating out of this box and into the parking lot and I just assumed it might have been a dream.
		However, when they pulled me out, it was exactly the same.
		I mean the setup, the people, the press, it was totally unreal.
		It was like I had been out of the box for the nine days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What press covered this when you did this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What press covered it?
unidentified		All of the California press, basically, it was through Clear Channel Radio.
unidentified		They were the sponsors in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know about Clear Channel.
unidentified		And so they were the media as far as radio, and then CNN, various news stations covered it periodically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, somehow I missed it on CNN.
		I'll be darned.
		Well, anyway, so you obviously, you had what a reasonable person would consider hallucinations during the time.
		I certainly had them when I tried 116 hours of broadcasting, and I did it.
		I know I had hallucinations or something, some other reality took over.
		And that's what we call, I think, hallucinations, right?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only now that you're out, publicity's over, what's begun to happen to you?
unidentified		Geez, all kinds of things.
		I see what I would consider a light person.
		I've been able to touch people and predict things that might happen to them.
		Lights turn out around me.
		It's hard for me to be even around my computer.
		Just really weird things that at the time that they were happening inside the coffin, some of the hallucinations, the light, stuff like that, I thought, okay, I'm obviously hallucinating.
		They warned me about this.
		Got my physical.
		They say everything's fine.
		However, just really strange things like that have been able, like, been happening to me constantly, and it seemed to be getting worse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You claim that you can levitate off the ground.
		Actually lift off the ground.
		Physically lift off the ground?
unidentified		Right.
		100%.
		My physical body will levitate off the ground when I'm in my meditation.
		I've got this documented.
		People around me have seen this happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you have it documented?
unidentified		On camera.
unidentified		I mean, I don't have legally documented or anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you have photographs of this?
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do.
		Yes.
		Oh, Vincent.
		You said you do have a computer, though you have a hard time spending time near it?
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		I mean, it crashes all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think there's some way you could keep it going long enough to get me a photograph?
unidentified		There's actually a photograph on my website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On your website?
		Well, I didn't even know you had a website.
		You see, Vincent and I are really talking with the exception of about 10 seconds for the first time right now, right, Vincent?
unidentified		Right, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you have a website.
		Okay.
		Why don't you, is it a long address?
unidentified		It's vincentlords.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		VincentLords.com.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As long as it doesn't crash before all my listeners get there.
unidentified		Let me state this, too.
		Because I did the buried, and David Blaine did the buried, and because David Blaine levitates, people also think that I'm levitating via camera tricks or some kind of magic trick.
		And I wish it were true.
		I mean, I'm not really enjoying any of these things that are happening to me.
		I don't know why they're happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where do I go to the photo vaults?
unidentified		No, go to, it's in the news.
unidentified		It's in news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		News.
		Okay, that's the second item.
		On my way to news.
		And already your website slows.
		And here we go.
		Modern day Santa Claus.
unidentified		Oh, you have to scroll down.
unidentified		These are just different things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see you in front of a meditation chapel.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It says click here for full image.
		I'm doing that.
		And you are.
		Vincent, you appear to be.
		Oh, my God.
		You are levitating.
		Holy moly.
		Oh, Vincent.
		When, how did this begin to happen, pray tell?
unidentified		The levitation?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, levitation.
unidentified		I would meditate because I really had a hard time after this buried just with my concentration and so forth.
		So I'd go to the meditation chapel or here at my home, and I would meditate.
		Well, during my meditation sessions, it would feel like I was actually lifting.
		And then I would open my eyes, kind of catch me off guard.
		And I mean, I could actually feel myself physically falling.
		So I said, there's just something.
		This is weird.
		I mean, this is definitely beyond just meditation here.
		I've tapped into something.
		I don't know what it is.
		I can't explain it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever it is, it's still with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You opened a door, right?
unidentified		I've been told to watch that, as a matter of fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		A lot of the doors they opened brought things with them that stayed after their experience.
		All right, hold on, Vincent.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		Just hang in there.
		By God, he is leather-taving.
		From the high desert, I'm Mark Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AF.
		My guest is Vincent Loors, last-minute guest.
		Got an email from him.
		By the way, the title of the email was Help.
		I'm Scared.
		And Vincent was buried alive for nine days to try and beat a record, which he did beat.
		Press coverage and so forth.
		But after the, I don't know what you'd call it, experiment, the stunt, the magic, after all of that ended, some pretty strange things began to occur.
		And I guess we've got a link up right Now, in fact, let me check and make sure the link is up.
		I contacted Keith just a moment ago as soon as we got the website.
		If you go to program and tonight's guest, yes, there is Vincent Lords, and there's the link to Vincent's website.
		So, if you go to Program and tonight's guest info and the name Vincent Lords right there, you'll see the link to his website.
		And then you want to go to News where it says News, and you'll see a picture of Vincent off the ground, levitating.
		You can click on it and blow it up.
		There's no question he appears to be actually levitating up off the ground.
		He says no tricks involved, the real thing.
		In a moment, we will continue with Vincent.
		Stay right there.
		I don't know if you got the word, but if you did, we run a commercial for the IRS, and I think it's, you've got to admit, it's great PR on their part.
unidentified		It starts out, I love you.
unidentified		IRS loves us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's great.
		All right.
		Yeah, getting to that time of year again, anyway, isn't it?
		Once again, here is Vincent Lords.
		Vincent, remember, kiss that phone when you're talking to me now.
		What's it like the first time that you realize you're physically lifting off the ground, levitating?
unidentified		The picture that you see on the website is probably about the third time I had experienced.
		The first time, I didn't know if I was losing my mind or if I was in the middle of an earthquake or beyond words, I was scared to death.
		I didn't know if this was actually happening until I did it a few other times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you describe the feeling that you get when you levitate?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's...
unidentified		No physical, no mental thought, rather.
		The mind is just 100% clear.
		You're not there or here.
		You're in the moment.
		It's not like, oh my God, I'm meditating.
		It's complete silence.
		It's like after you've passed out and you come back to conscious awareness, that vibration that you feel in your fingers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then there's more of that than there is of weightlessness.
unidentified		Right.
		It's sort of like a dream, but it's kind of like you couldn't really describe it as weightlessness because my mind is just 100% clear.
		It's not, wow, this is weird.
		I'm levitating because the first time I did that, I told you I felt myself physically fall.
		I mean, I'm not floating 20 feet in the air, you know, 12 inches or whatnot.
		So it's hard to describe the feeling because my mind is 100% blank, and that's why I questioned my sanity.
		I was scared.
		I didn't know if this was a dream, what was going on, until I did document it.
		And I have had witnesses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		All right.
		Nine days buried alive, 12 days without food.
		Now, this is going to do things to you, as we discussed earlier.
		It's going to do things to you.
		There's no question about it.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm sure that your doctor warned you of that, didn't he?
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who have you reported all of this stuff to?
		I mean, you're now seeing light beings.
		You're doing all kinds of things you ought not be doing.
		You're in a different world since this has happened.
		So who have you talked to since?
unidentified		You.
		I'll be honest, I'm scared to tell my physician.
		I'm scared to tell people for fear that they're going to lock me up.
		But now I'm at the point I feel like if I don't tell somebody, I'm going to lock myself up.
		I'm scared.
		This isn't for publicity.
		People say, you know, write a book.
		I mean, the guy with the camera said, you know, you ought to write a book about this buried alive.
		This is deep.
		It's beyond that.
		I'm not doing this for publicity.
		I'm not doing this for attention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you get this photograph?
		I mean, in what way?
		Were you intending to do this for the camera or?
		No.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		I invited them to the meditation chapel to record some pictures for our website of me meditating in the sacred place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
unidentified		So this is on camera.
		This is on digital camera.
		They're the ones that said, holy shit, how did you do this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this a trick?
unidentified		What's going on here?
		And I decided, well, let's put this on the website and kind of get a feel for how people are reacting.
		And everybody thinks it's a trick.
		And I'm willing to invite anybody to challenge me, come meet with me, and I'll do it right in front of them.
		They can do whatever they want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Salt Lake City right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Salt Lake City.
		Right.
		Let's see.
		I suppose on your website there is an email address or something, right?
		Some way that people can get hold of you.
		Because with that kind of a challenge...
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, for example, there's this guy named Randy, you know, who keeps claiming...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Amazing Randy.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who claims he's got a million bucks ready to go for somebody just like yourself.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Given that one any thought?
unidentified		I absolutely.
		I'm willing to do that.
		Take the million dollars and donate it to a charity.
		Like I said, I'm not doing this for money.
		You know, however, if some good can come out of this, then absolutely.
		I invite anybody that doubts it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would donate it all to a charity?
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You must be independently wealthy.
unidentified		No, just because I don't want people to get the wrong idea.
unidentified		I'm not trying to sell videos or books or sell a television.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but look, the way things are in America today, I'll just say this, Vincent.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you really can levitate, you deserve a million dollars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe more.
unidentified		Yeah, you know what I'm also scared of?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		Is, okay, let's say I could do this.
		Boom.
		People are going to get it.
		You know what I mean?
		I'm not going to be safe anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got a point there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got a point there.
unidentified		This is information, the government, the army, who knows who wants it?
		Boom.
		I don't want to just disappear off the face of the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That has happened to a few of my guests, like yourself, actually.
unidentified		Oh, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Madman, Markham, and there would be many others who have either expired or simply disappeared altogether.
		So, you know, I don't discount your concerns.
		I probably just helped them a lot, actually.
unidentified		Can I tell you something really scary, too?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you might.
unidentified		I was doing an interview day six into this with Rick Dees, and I was kind of telling him that I've seen some pretty strange things, and he was laughing, saying, oh, it's a hallucination.
		You haven't eaten, blah, blah, blah.
		Apparently, a couple days later, men in black, supposedly some of the people say, you know, these people are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just missed what you said.
unidentified		Oh, I'm sorry.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Men in black.
unidentified		In black suits, the agent calls, says there must be some pretty hot agents out here.
		We've got two guys out here.
		They're dressed in black.
		I mean, they look like superstars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen these people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The men in black went where?
unidentified		To the crypt I was at after I had been on Richty's morning program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		I just talked about some of the weird things, the astral projection, some of the strange things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long ago was this when you appeared with these in the morning?
unidentified		It was October 17th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		October 17th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did the levitation begin?
unidentified		This was in November.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this is very recent.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Oh, definitely.
		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure that Mr. Deez wouldn't have had as much fun with you had he had the photograph.
unidentified		Well, no, that's the thing.
		He just, he thought I was, I guess, joking or trying to make funny conversation.
		I was just saying, you know, I'm scared.
		Some of this stuff's happening, and I'm having nightmares.
		I'm waking up.
		I'm my dad.
		I wake up, and I'm in a coffin.
		So my mind starts playing tricks on me.
		And he's like, uh-huh.
		This is great for him.
		He's just laughing his butt off.
		Later that day, these gentlemen, men in black, that's what I'm going to call them, show up.
		They're very secretive.
		They're checking the whole thing out.
		So we're thinking that they're either magicians or they're superstar agents looking at this publicity stunt.
		However, now in Salt Lake City, three months later, I see them at my shows.
		I see them.
		You know what I mean?
		And I don't know if I'm just...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a magician?
unidentified		I'm a hypnotist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A hypnotist.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you do stage hypnotherapy therapy.
		All right.
		Well, there are plenty of people who will say this was, and I mean, in a way, it was a stunt, right?
unidentified		The buried alive, absolutely.
		I mean, it wasn't a magic trick.
		It was a publicity stunt to prove the power of the mind to beat David Wayne's record.
		He said it couldn't be done.
		Doctors said, no, you'll die.
		This will happen.
		You'll go crazy.
		Maybe I did go crazy.
		To be honest, I don't know if I'm alive.
		Maybe these things are happening because I died during the stunt, and now all these weird things are happening because maybe I'm where I thought I was before, however, in a different level, so to speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you're dead, your voice is traversing the veil without interruption for the most part.
		I know.
		It seems like you're alive, as we understand alive, but it does seem as though something really profound.
unidentified		Something's happened here.
		Family, friends, see, you know, Vince, you're not the same.
		You're like a robot.
		There's something missing.
		And now all these weird supernatural things start happening.
		I have to question either my sanity or the fact that I'm maybe I moved on.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sensory deprivation that serious, I suppose, could cause your mind to snap.
		And you said you've wondered yourself about your own mind.
		Right.
unidentified		I mean, these things never happened to me before, and now all of a sudden some really strange things start happening before I jump to conclusions and say, wow, I have the power.
unidentified		I mean, am I crazy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, how has this affected your work?
unidentified		A ton.
		It's helped me in some aspects because people that are on stage come up and they ask me, you know, when you hypnotize me and you push my head back, what was that bright light that flashed?
		Things like that.
		And I'm like, huh?
		Or they'll say, how'd you get that light around?
		And just questioning certain things that I'm not doing on purpose, I can't see.
		However, people are coming up and saying, whoa.
		You know, so it scared me.
		It's hurt me in a lot of ways because, you know, I deal with the mind and here I am saying I can levitate.
		You know, I'm trying to help people, assist them, whatever you may call it, overcome mental challenges.
		Yet here I am saying that I see things and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a sense of where this is going?
unidentified		No, I don't.
unidentified		I don't know where it's going to end up or what.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just scared.
unidentified		I'll be honest.
		This call is more just, God, give me some answers, somebody, anybody.
		This is weird.
		It's very strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just wonder if it's something that will fade or will deepen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose either one is possible, huh?
unidentified		Getting deeper.
		My dreams are more intense.
		I feel like I can look through people, look into their souls.
		When I'm meeting with a client, I can almost see into their future in a way to warn them about certain things.
		And I won't go into 100% detail.
		However, I had warned some people just out of nowhere, where you see about a week later they come to my show and say, oh my gosh, you know, we're in this horrible accident.
		Things like that.
		So, I mean, some call this a gift.
		Oh, beautiful.
		I say this is a curse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can see how you would feel it would be a curse.
unidentified		To further prove this, I want to make a prediction right now on your program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about it?
unidentified		I'll Put my name, my reputation, everything on the line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Because I say I keep getting this dream, this sense, the first week of February, somewhere in the United States, I haven't pinpointed, there will be a horrific earthquake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		February 1st.
unidentified		The first week of February.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The first week of February.
unidentified		Right, and I keep trying to meditate to see where this might happen.
unidentified		However, I will put my reputation, anything on the line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you say a horrific earthquake, there was a horrific earthquake in Alaska.
		I saw the results of that one personally.
		I happened to be flying through Alaska.
		It was unbelievable what happened.
unidentified		Just recently?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
		This was a long time ago.
		My question is, in scale, how big is this earthquake?
		What do you know about it?
unidentified		I see it bigger than the one in California.
		Absolutely.
		Like I said, I just see mass destruction.
		I see a lot of unfortunate deaths.
		I see mass destruction.
		So I'm going to have to say this is definitely over a seven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Over a seven.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With mass destruction.
		Well, that's not going to be a hard pinpoint.
		The first week of February.
		How do you, as a matter of interest, how are you pinning it down to the first week in February?
		What tells you that?
unidentified		I see February.
		I see the calendar February, and I see numbers flashing, and the numbers usually go up to seven.
		It's like one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
		It's kind of like a dream.
		I close my eyes.
		I see this.
		And I also see the number 1138.
		I don't know if that's a time.
		I don't know if that's a logitude.
		I don't know what that number is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What, 1138?
unidentified		Right.
		However, it has something to do with that earthquake.
		I would hope that it's not an 1138, you know, on the Rector scale.
		I see that number, so I'm curious to find out how that number is going to play.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could easily be a time, a.m. or p.m., I suppose.
unidentified		Yeah, and I've looked at that as well.
		However, it's like when I see the calendar, I see the numbers.
		I see the month February flashing, I don't see that as like a time.
		It's not like a clock.
		It's like these numbers are just like boom, everywhere I look.
		As a matter of fact, sometimes I'll look at the clock and it'll be 1138.
		Or, you know, I'll look at something and it'll have the number 1138 flight, 1138.
		it's just for some reason that number the last like three weeks has just been pounded into my head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if you were to head to the airport and you saw that your flight was 1138 Chicago, you...
unidentified		Yeah, I ain't going.
		Just from the experiences that have happened, there's no way.
		Something somewhere, someone, something's trying to say 1138 means something.
		It might be good.
		Maybe it's a lottery number.
		I don't know.
		However, I'm not going to attempt it.
		I've only been to my funeral once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Been to your funeral with you.
		Well, I like your specific prediction, and it's not very far away either, so we're going to find out very, very quickly.
		I don't know what to tell you about all this.
		Are you going to seek professional assistance of some kind?
unidentified		I've seen my facilitator in hypnosis.
		However, I haven't told him all the levitation.
		I mean, you're honestly the first person that I've really gone public with this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now actually more know.
unidentified		Well, just tell him not to don't come and lock me up yet.
unidentified		You wait till that earthquake, and then maybe people will start really taking you seriously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they'll take you very seriously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Light beings, what is it you see?
unidentified		My eyes are really sensitive to light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I was down there, and I thought that would go away.
		However, whenever I'm looking at light or there's a lamp or something, the light from the lamp sort of blurs.
		I adjust my eyes, and it then sort of takes the shape of a person.
		No features like face and description like that.
		I mean, it's like a blotch of light, and these blotches of light will actually come into me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Into you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		So it's like the light's getting brighter, brighter.
		It's actually now taking a physical form.
		It approaches me.
		Boom.
		It either goes through me or into me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if it goes into you, what does that feel like?
unidentified		Warm, warm, but more, this is more just like scared.
		And it's interesting because the people that I have hypnotized ask when I push their forehead back and say sleep, what is that flash of light?
		What do I have something in my ring?
		Or, you know, is this to spook them into hypnosis or whatnot?
		So it's interesting.
		I definitely think there's a connection there.
		And people even on stage have asked about the glow around me and so forth, sort of like an aura that the average person can see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you fully admit the burial for nine days, the going without food for 12, all of that was an attempt to break a record and a stunt that you now feel has gone incredibly wrong?
unidentified		Something's happened here.
		And I've even attempted to contact David Blaine to say, has this happened to you?
		Is this something, because a lot of people call him his guru or whatnot.
		And so I'm just trying to find out, okay, did this happen to you?
		Because he said some weird things have happened, but he's also a magician.
		So he's probably trying to further his career in that field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As people would suggest you are in your field.
unidentified		However, if I was out for publicity on this, I'd be doing books, TV shows, things like that.
		I'm not.
		I'm totally scared.
		I want this to leave.
		I don't like this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if there's a giant earthquake in the first week of February, I suspect you will be on TV shows.
		All right, listen, I've got to run.
		The hour's over.
		Very cool.
		We're going to be watching the first week of February very closely, my friend, all right?
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		Thank you so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care of yourself.
		All right.
		Mark Hazelwood's coming up.
		Certainly is.
		That was an interesting first hour.
		And here comes an interesting second hour.
		Mark Hazelwood is the son of the movie and music producer, singer, songwriter, actor-author, and director Lee Hazelwood.
		His father's most notable material was a number one hit song He Wrote In, Produced, and Then Was Performed by Nancy Sinatra entitled These Boots Are Made for Walking.
		We also produced a beautiful tune with Frank Sinatra that was titled Something Stupid.
		Remember that?
		Mark Hazelwood has written a book entitled Blindsided Planet X. Passes in 2003, Earth Changes.
		Exclamation point after Earth Changes.
		Planet X may be the grand equalizer, the wrecking ball, or the kicking boots of our solar system.
		Quote, one of these days the boots are going to walk all over you, end quote, may take on a whole new meaning when you think of what Planet X does when it passes by Earth each time on its regular 3,600-year orbit.
		Doesn't that sound familiar?
		After the passing of TX, Planet X, obviously, there would be some other songs and leaves that might apply to this world, summer wine, or, of course, some velvet morning may portend of a new future, a new culture.
		All of this may rise up out of the ruins of this one, as the Phoenix did.
		And as perhaps others have come and gone, we're getting more and more news stories.
		We'll talk about all of that in a moment with Mark Hazelwood.
		Well, well, well, Mark Hazelwood, welcome to the program.
		Thank you very much, Art.
		I'd like to say first that it is a dream come true to be on this program.
unidentified		And just to tell you how I feel, I'm very excited about it.
unidentified		I thank you for having me on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
		You're here because you've got, I think, some potentially really, really, really important information.
		We're hearing these interesting stories now, Mark, all the time, like there's this lost city about 2,200 feet under the water off the coast of Cuba.
		And now I'm hearing about lost cities, just man-made structures under the water off India and other places.
		All of a sudden, we're getting a rush of these stories.
		And all of them would seem to say that there were civilizations prior to ours to which something absolutely, totally catastrophic occurred.
		And now we're getting stories from all over the world about this.
		And it's going to change how we think about who we are, where we came from, when we got here, and whether there were others before us and other catastrophic events that simply totally ended civilizations that have been here before.
		And I think that's what we're talking about here, isn't it?
unidentified		That's exactly what we're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought so.
		What is Planet X?
		Well, Planet X is Roman numeral number 10, would mean the 10th planet in our solar system.
		Right.
		It orbits around not just our sun, but our sun's dark twin that lies towards Orion.
		In my book, I have a diagram from the 1987 edition of a scientific encyclopedia that shows where that dark sun is, that dark star, and Planet X, or the tenth planet, right between it.
		So instead of orbiting around one sun or the other, this rogue planet, failed star, brown dwarf, if you will, simply goes back and forth in a pendulum-like orbit so that...
		Well, we do see it.
		I mean, I've gotten whispers from several different people from observatories that they've been watching it.
		Now, well, the Russians have known about it for at least three years.
		Yeah, I've heard all kinds of things about this, but I've never seen any, you know, like Hubble photographs or something of that magnitude as of yet.
		But a lot of people do think there is another planet out there.
		And you say it orbits or it is in conjunction with a rogue star as well, or a dark star?
		Well, this dark star would be the twin of our sun.
		The majority of solar systems are binary.
		We just found that out within the last 10 years with the level of sophistication of our equipment.
		And ours is not unlike the majority.
		The only difference is our twin is dark, but it lies out there towards Orion.
		And there is a rogue planet that's caught between the orbits of these two suns.
		All right, how far in astronomical units is this?
		Do you know?
		In other words, one astronomical unit would be the measure between the Earth and the Sun, right?
		Yes, let's say 20 or thereabouts.
		About 20 times farther away than our Sun.
		The Sun was all used to look at it.
		Yeah, okay.
		That's quite a ways out, all right.
		And seeing a planet would be kind of a difficult task at that distance.
		Well, no, I wasn't talking about the planet.
		I was talking about the other star.
		The other star.
		Well, either one.
		Seeing either one would be quite a chore, particularly if it's a dark star, I would think.
		Yes.
		Well, back in 1983, the United States actually came clean for a few minutes on December 40th, 1983.
		They had sent out the infrared astronomical satellite and announced they had found what they were looking for out towards Orion.
		And this would be Planet X. Since then, they've done their best to say that, well, it wasn't what we thought it was, and it doesn't exist.
		Who on December 30th in 1983, do you recall, announced this?
		It was the chief scientist of the IRS satellite who announced it.
		I think it's Gary New.
		I can't even pronounce the last name.
		And he actually came right out and announced we have found what?
		He said a dark star with a planet or a dark star or a mass that we're going to call a tenth planet?
		Well, there was a lot of speculation at the time as to what exactly he said, but some people thought it was a planet inbound, a cold, you know, a brown dwarf star.
		Other people thought it might be something else.
		And at the end, he actually said that, well, we don't really know what it is, but he wanted to make sure people knew that there was no speculation as to whether it was inbound or not, which is highly telling as far as I'm concerned.
		Why would he announce that?
		I don't know.
		Does it remain virtually where it is until a certain tug-of-war takes place and then it begins moving, or is it moving now?
		Or what do we know?
		Well, from what I understand, you might call it a dual-sun slingshot orbit.
		In other words, you know, a pendulum, you know, goes fast, it pauses at the end, stops, comes back the other direction.
		So at a certain point, it starts to speed up.
		And that would be, I suppose, right in the middle.
		And it's already past that, so it's already started to speed up.
		The slingshot part of it has already released, so it should be getting here rather quickly within, let's say, 16 months.
		16 months?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When do you think it will be at a distance that the average astronomer simply totally cannot ignore?
		Well, that would probably be this summertime, but there is a sieve of leaks now coming out from observatories.
		In fact, there is a picture of it on the internet at this point.
		Really?
unidentified		Really?
unidentified		Where?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you were to go to yahoo.com and register there, you know, just get yourself a little email address and click on e-groups and go to preparation 2003 e-group and check post number 8695.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot to do.
		The masses are not going to be able to get there.
		Do you have this photograph?
unidentified		No, I don't have this photograph.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't have it?
unidentified		No, in fact, it's only been there a short while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, of course, the powers that be, the paid-for debunkers that are supposed to keep the masses eye gears and calm, are debunking this and saying it isn't really what it is.
		You realize, of course, how sitchin-like what you're saying sounds.
		Well, you can't write a book about Planet X without referencing Zachariah.
		He did a fabulous job of uncovering this ancient knowledge from ancient Samaria.
		And the detail of this civilization is just unbelievable.
		I mean, they knew all about this, our planets.
		This is thousands of years ago, all nine of them.
		Plus, they identified this tenth one they called Nibiru.
		The reason they name it that, because that translates into planet of passing.
		It doesn't just orbit around, like I said, one sun or the other.
		It comes on by.
		And in addition to that, they identified how long the orbit's up, 3,600 years.
		3,600 years, right.
		3,600.
		Probably it's closer to 3,650 years, but that's an average.
		Now, you maintain this planet is headed our way right now.
		When you say our way, how close does this planet come to Earth?
		Well, each time it would be a little different.
		But from what I understand, let's say it's going to come between the Sun and Earth this time.
		Between the Sun and Earth?
		Correct.
		You know, it's headed towards being pulled faster and faster by its own gravity and the Sun's gravity towards it.
		You know, at the last minute, it veers away because I don't know if you're aware that just within the last year or so, the new theory of gravity is that the particles flow in both directions, and that's what will keep it from hitting the Sun.
		It'll just sail on by, and it slows it down at the last moment before it passes by.
		As far as how far away, let's just say anywhere from, I don't know, 10 to 20 million miles away.
		Okay.
		That's a pretty big mass coming that close.
		It obviously is going to have effects here on Earth, right?
		Well, the distance that it's going to travel by this time would perhaps fall in the worst case scenario.
		In other words, if it was closer, it would be better, believe it or not.
		Why?
		Well, it's the magnetism that will result in the greatest Earth changes.
		And our liquid iron molten core of Earth will align to it as it passes, pause the rotation of the Earth.
		And if it was passing closer, the crust, which is also magnetic but not near as magnetic, layered in different directions as the liquid iron or core.
		And if it was passing closer, both would align in unison.
		But if it passes close enough for the iron or core to align, but not close enough for the crust to align with it, that's the worst case scenario.
		That's when the crust will resist aligning with the core and a crustal displacement or a pole shift will result.
		And that's possibly what we're looking at now.
unidentified		That's what's expected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the speculation from, you know, a whisper from an insider in NASA that that's what NASA is speculating will happen.
unidentified		They know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've heard this from NASA.
		No.
		I have heard from someone else, it's simply hearsay, that has spoken to someone who was in NASA that they said they know about it absolutely.
unidentified		Two things they know for sure.
unidentified		It's inbound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going to pass late May, early June.
		That's absolutely what they know.
		What they're speculating is, is that it will cause a pole shift this time.
		And if that happens, their speculation is two-thirds of the population will perish within that hour of the shift.
		Other than one hour.
unidentified		Within one hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The shift will take anywhere from 45 minutes to an hour.
		The rest of the speculation goes within six months after that, two-thirds of that third will perish because exposure to the elements and starvation.
		So we're looking at 10% of the population if this scenario does hold up.
		But I would suggest, given all that, that only one in 100 people own a computer in this world.
		How hard would it be if you were informed that you live on the railroad tracks, the train is coming, and you're informed how to get off the tracks and where to go to be safe?
		There's a lot of safe places to be.
		Like where?
		Well, I mean, all right, let's backtrack.
		Before we get to safe places, what specifically will happen?
		I've heard people talk about pole shifts and all the rest of it, but what do you actually believe occurs?
		What happens to the land masses and the oceans?
		And, you know, what's likely to occur?
		Well, the worst part of the situation, the part of the whole scenario, besides the earthquakes, besides the winds, it's going to cause the greatest number to perish is the water.
		You know, when the earth pauses and the shift happens, the water, maybe the plates will stop at a certain point and butt up against each other and there will be mountain building and subduction, but the water will not stop.
unidentified		There's nothing stopping the water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The plates stop themselves hitting each other, but the water will come over the shoreline.
		So it just keeps coming.
		You can imagine something turning and then suddenly stopping.
		And yes, if the plates didn't shift, the water certainly would, and it would wash over the plates and pretty much erase most of what's there?
		Well, the world as we know it will be gone.
unidentified		There will be hundreds of millions of people left.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so you can decide to be one of them.
		But our civilization, our culture will be in the past, and we'll have to start anew.
		You know, it's kind of eerie.
		I had a guest last night.
		I don't know if you happen to be listening.
		A professor?
		A very interesting fellow.
		Who claims to be in touch with somebody very far into the future, 5,000 years.
		And they describe a society that virtually would be the society that could be left after what you're suggesting will occur occurs.
		And that it's a very different kind of civilization, not a technical civilization like we have now, but rather one that just sort of harvests the scraps or what's left from what we have done, which is so long ago at that point.
		Listen, hold on.
unidentified		Oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Iburu, Planet X. And Mark says astronomers are beginning to see it.
		A few weeks ago, I began playing this song, and it brought on many strange things.
		Shortly after I began playing it, Nancy Sinatra's manager contacted us, and then Nancy Sinatra, and then...
		This is by Lee Hazelwood and Nancy Sinatra.
unidentified		It is such a trippy song.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just couldn't believe it.
		It was like falling in love with...
		You fall in love all over again.
		We're going to take a second out here and go to Texas because that's where Lee Hazelwood is.
		Mark's dad, Lee.
		Hi.
		Hi, how are you?
		Oh, I'm okay.
unidentified		That's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's one second here.
		Good morning, Mark.
		How you doing, Dad?
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mark, thank you.
		Mark has been scaring the hell out of us here for a while, and there's more to come, I'm sure.
		I told you he's been scaring the hell out of me for 40 years.
		It's all right.
		All right.
		I only have a quick question for you, Lee.
		Maybe a couple, but really one.
		Somebody emailed me and told me that they had come to you and they had asked you what Some Velvet Morning was all about, what it really was all about.
		And your reply was, and this may be totally bogus, your reply was alleged to be, what the blank.
		It was the 60s, you know.
		Right.
		Is that anywhere near accurate?
		The song was written for a Nancy at a TV special in 67, I think it was.
		And they had some time left over.
		And the director asked me, he says, can you write a song for this?
unidentified		And I said, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I can write a song for anything.
unidentified		It doesn't make any difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But anyway, I wrote, that's what I wrote.
		And, of course, when I wrote it, our big concern was, in those days, was the censor for the network.
		And I thought, well, he's going to kill us on this one.
		He's going to kill us on this one because I want to open up your gate.
		You know, hooray.
		But never bothered.
		That never bothered him.
		I see.
unidentified		Open your gate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But some other little thing in the song that had to do with N. That's what he, and I said, that's N, the E-N-D-N.
		I said, you know, I'm a censor.
		I say N and N the same way.
		Right.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then that's fine, Lee.
		So it went right on by.
		It didn't make any difference.
		What about Phaedra?
		Phaedra is my favorite loser Greek goddess.
		All the books you look at about Greek mythology, there's probably, if there's three quarters of a page on Phaedra, you know, other goddesses, God, there's pages and pages.
		But if there's three quarters on Phaedra, I mean, she was born unlucky, died unlucky, died young, and everything else.
		And I always kind of felt sorry for Phaedra.
unidentified		Because I was a great fan of Greek mythology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I used to read that to Mark and his, read Greek mythology stories to Mark and his sister when they were growing up rather than fairy tales.
		They enjoyed them a lot more.
		I know they're a little more adult than Mary Had a Little Lamb and all that kind of stuff.
		But still, that's what I did for them.
		And Phaedra's my favorite loser goddess.
		And I thought sometime in my life, I'm going to get that in a song.
		And when I wrote this song, it was a piece of special material for the TV special, Moving with Nancy.
		And that's how it was.
		The way Nancy sings, her name is Phaedra, will stand the hairs up on the back of your neck.
		I mean, that's some special song.
unidentified		It's supposed to be area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think the arrangement helps it.
unidentified		And, of course, Nancy helped it, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As Nancy always says, I did all those damn songs that Lee wrote, but I never did know what any of them was about.
		You know, and God loved her for it.
		Well, maybe we're going to talk to her.
		I'll ask her.
		And I guess that's the answer I'm going to get, huh?
		No, that's it on Phaedra.
		Phaedra is something else special to me.
		Phaedra is my youngest daughter's...
		She's my granddaughter.
		Phaedra Dawn Stewart is her name.
		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		And she lives in Phoenix.
		And she's one of the loves of my life.
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You named your...
		I didn't name Samantha.
		Her mother, my youngest daughter, named her Phaedra because when we were trying to decide names, when she was pregnant and ready to have her, and her and Bob, her husband, are sitting around and they're going to have this name, Bill, you know, Joanne, da-da-da-da.
unidentified		And I go...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I just said...
		And she says, I want something really unique, Dad.
		And I said, how about Phaedra?
		Of course, Samantha grew up like Deborah and Mark did with these songs and everything else.
		And she goes, wow.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there won't be a lot of girls in her class named Phaedra, you know, because everybody's named Samantha.
		Everybody's named Mark.
		That's right.
unidentified		Everybody's named Debbie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wasn't really hunting for names when they were born.
		But anyway.
		And so Phaedra exists.
		She's an exact copy of Samantha.
		And oh, boy.
unidentified		She's something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We bless your heart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for coming on.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And thanks for answering those very important questions.
		Good night.
		Good night.
		All right.
unidentified		Bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So there was your dad, Mark.
		Well, so you hear him?
		Well, you know, when we named Mark, we weren't thinking about any special names.
		We just sort of slapped him down.
		Well, that's about it.
		I mean, everybody that's named Bill or John or Mark in school always had another one of the same name.
		But Phaedra, that's awesome.
		Yeah.
		That's what you're talking about here.
		You know, it would be so easy to dismiss.
		And a lot of people do.
		They say, oh, you know, utter baloney.
		The problem I have with easily dismissing this is that we keep finding these ruins like off the coast of Cuba.
		Buildings, highways, pyramidal shapes now off the coast of India all over the world.
		We're beginning to find these things that would indicate that they were here and then gone.
		And unfortunately, the timelines work out just about right for it being something that comes around about every this often.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's plenty of ecological, archaeological.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Evidence.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That corresponds precisely to the orbit.
		And that's something that once you see that first, and you don't even get into the ancient history, ancient historical accounts, that will cause some cognitive dissidence.
		Oh.
		That would mean that what you would normally accept when you see the evidence, you don't want to accept.
		And you try to find every reason not to accept and avoid it and look away from it.
		Yeah.
		Denial.
		Very strong.
		You believe that some within our government, some within large observatories, are beginning to be somewhat forthcoming at the moment.
		So what are they doing?
		I mean, do you have any rumors about what the attitude is like in the observatories and the government?
		How are they thinking about this?
		Well, I believe there's at least three layers of disinformation going on out there, and probably more than that.
		But the three I've identified is, number one, for the masses that never read and never pay attention.
unidentified		Planet X doesn't exist.
unidentified		Don't pay attention to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who cares?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number two would be for the people who have done the research that know it exists.
unidentified		Don't worry about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It probably got knocked out of its orbit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's certainly not going to be back at this time.
unidentified		So, yes, it exists.
unidentified		But, you know, don't pay attention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, the third level of disinformation, which I've gotten from several, you know, whispers from several different observatories in Russia, in Canada, is, well, you can't tell them it doesn't exist you can't tell them it's not inbound what you What do you tell them then?
		Well, first of all, you have to tell them to stay quiet about it.
		And then you have to tell them, listen, it's not going to cause any damage.
unidentified		Don't worry about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I want you to hold it right there because of chatting with your dad.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Mark Hazelwood.
		Mark, if what you say is true, then at some point it's going to begin to get so close that even smaller observatories are going to be clued in.
		I mean, there's a sort of a...
		No way.
		The cat is already starting to come out of the bag, to tell you the truth.
		In fact, what we know as global warming is all the result of the approach of this planet.
		Oh.
		It has to do with the electromagnetic arms, the relationships between the planets.
		In fact, back in the mid-sorry about that.
		I don't know what that was.
		Okay.
		That's a new one.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the mid-70s, there was the starting of an increase of volcanism and seismic activity.
unidentified		Between the mid-70s and now, that has increased 500%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a history of the worst approach changes starting seven years prior to the passing.
		At the end of 95, suddenly deep quakes jumped up and started to double worldwide.
		That had a domino effect, and now it's the 7.0 upwards of 7.0 earthquakes and above that have significantly increased just in the last two years.
		Deepquakes are interesting.
		There was one down off the coast of South America a few years ago.
		It was really, really interesting.
		It was like 800 and something miles deep.
		That's really deep.
		And it was felt all the way across North America.
		You know, I mean, that's incredible.
		One of the deepest quakes ever recorded.
		I'm remembering that.
		There's also the weather changes that has happened in the last seven years, which everyone is aware of.
		Now, when you talk about weather alone, I suppose you could blame it on global warming.
		But when you're talking about the combination of the uptick of volcanism and seismic activity and weather in combination, which the major media is not letting out.
		That's a good point.
unidentified		It does not make any sense at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Earth is not being singled out.
		Every planet in this solar system is experiencing some significant changes.
		I don't know if you've noticed that Saturn is a lot brighter.
		Our moon is developing an atmosphere.
		Mars is a dust storm, an unprecedented dust storm.
		These solar cycles are way out of sync.
		The ancient Egyptians identified all the solar cycles we know about, plus another major one.
		Big announcement about the ice cap on Mars melting two or three weeks ago, about two weeks ago, I think.
		And one of the major, a couple of the major planets have had a tilting of their axes as of late.
		So the Entire solar system is being affected by the approach of this planet, not just us.
		Well, if it's doing that at this distance when it really gets close, then I mean, it's hard to imagine.
		Say, Smile, you said something about areas where people would live, where you could choose to go to live through this if you wanted to.
unidentified		Yes, you would want to be well away from the shorelines.
unidentified		You do not want to be on mountaintops.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mountain building will more than likely happen in the same area.
unidentified		That's not a good thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to be on a mountaintop?
unidentified		No, you don't.
unidentified		You want to be in the rolling hills.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's going to be winds probably upwards of 200 miles an hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And those rolling hills will not only protect you from that, but the weather afterwards will be constantly drizzle and rainy.
unidentified		It's going to strip away some of the atmosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It'll take a while to rebuild.
		Oh, yeah, yeah.
		You know what?
		Have you ever heard Gordon Michael Scallion?
		Well, yes, I referenced him.
		Oh, you did?
		Yeah, I have a section in my book of intuitives.
		I give a synopsis of each one of those intuitives, and Gordon is number five.
		Well, Gordon, to me, is number one.
		I've interviewed Gordon a number of times, and I know the man personally.
		He's really serious.
		His story really makes sense.
		I believe him all the way.
		I know a lot more about him than you would imagine I would by having interviewed him here on the air.
		This is one serious guy.
		And what he says is what he describes is going to occur is exactly what you are describing is going to happen.
		Well, let me say that if, I know you've had a lot of people on your show talking about remote viewing.
		Oh, yes.
		And the government has fully admitted that they have used remote viewing.
		Remote viewing is tapping into a collective unconscious that all of us are connected to.
		It's this collective unconscious that is warning us.
		Now, Gordon Michael, you work very close with his material, but there are literally thousands of people that are sensing this and talking about it and writing about it.
		I know.
		I know.
		Believe me, I know.
		And a certain percentage of these people actually understand what the cause is.
		Most are simply given the visions and the cause, the passage of Planet X is not identified.
		But like I said, Gordon is certainly one of those that know that there's going to be a celestial body involved in these changes.
		And you're suggesting...
		You brought that up.
		And again, this is going to underline probably for some people some of what you're saying.
		But remote viewers, like Ed Dames, have a certain barrier that no matter what they do, they cannot see past.
		Something so big happens, something so profound occurs that they have no reference for what's on the other side of it.
		It is so big or catastrophic that it's just a barrier and they can't see past it.
		And one has to wonder if it's not exactly this they might be talking about.
		I would suggest that this is it.
		I mean, I found the, like we said, the archaeological evidence of the ruins from past civilizations.
		Stay good and close to the phone for me.
		Yes, well, that's obvious.
		I mean, now we know that is true, that they have come and gone before, and roughly, mathematically, about when you're suggesting this thing is going to happen.
		How sure of this on a scale of one to ten, how sure are you that this information is legit and accurate time-wise and in every other way?
unidentified		I would have never written this book if I didn't know for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but that knowing is my knowing, and each person has to find their own individual knowing.
		The reason I wrote this book is because after pouring through shelves of books with scant information about this Planet X and thousands of pages of websites that talk about Planet X, I suddenly developed the clarity of the simplicity of what is about to happen.
		And I thought to myself, no one out there yet, as far as I can see, has presented this in such a way so where someone with no knowledge can look at all the angles of this story quickly.
		Listen, hold on.
		We'll be right back.
		One of these days, the boots are going to walk all over you.
		May take on a whole new meaning.
unidentified		You keep saying you got something boring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you think of what Planet X does when it passes by Earth on its regular 3,600-year orbit, Mark Hazelwood is here, and he's saying some damn scary things about another planetary body out there headed now quickly this way, which is going to probably kill two-thirds of the world's population.
unidentified		Planet X, Nibiru.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, even the Hopi, and I did interview the Hopi, you may recall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my, the Hopi had a lot to say about this.
unidentified		Remember?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remember the planetary bodies they talked about?
unidentified		The Hopi?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, this isn't one voice.
		This isn't just Mark's voice.
		This is many, many, many, many voices that we've heard here on the air.
		Whether you choose to believe it or not, that's up to you, of course, as always.
		But in a moment, if you're up to it, and you might not be, I've got a little reading for you to do.
		Because I've got a link you need to see.
unidentified		The End Got a few reading assignments for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before you reject out of hand what Mark is saying, what I want you to do is to go to my website and look for the name Mark Hazelwood.
		And when you find it, below it, you will find some links.
		One of those links will be to a discovery news story.
		And I'll just read the third paragraph.
		This is from July 3rd.
		The discovery of a large reddish chunk of something orbiting in Pluto's neighborhood has reignited the idea that there may be more than nine planets in the solar system.
unidentified		That's discovery news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's just one of the links that we've got.
		If you can read the whole story.
		Oh, there's a ton.
		Even a link to the Yahoo group and where the photograph is that he talked about and all kinds of other relative, obviously very lot of links.
		A lot of interesting information up there, Mark, about Planet X, huh?
		Yeah, I'd like to recommend that if someone wants to find a group of people, a community of people, that they find that Preparation 2003 group, the thousand people that have gathered just in the last three months talking about this issue, talking about preparing.
		I mean, it's a place where you can ask a question, and there are people there that know more about this subject than me, that just haven't not read a book.
		The amount of posts there, it's upwards of 9,000 now, but there's twice as much information there as in my book.
		I've just simply consolidated this information in a palatable form, that's all.
		Okay.
		Also, there's another website on the board.
		So you've been in this group for quite a while now, huh?
		Well, just three months.
		I mean, just in the last three months, all these people have shown up.
		It's not my website.
		A lady read my book and along with some other information she had prior and decided spontaneously to create this e-group.
		Okay, here's my question for you.
		Where are you now physically?
		Where are you, Mark?
		Future Ocean Bottom.
		Well, yeah.
		Orlando, Florida.
		Orlando.
		So an obvious question for you is, what are you planning on doing about this personally and when?
		For whatever reason, I have a family member here.
		My mother holds the deed to my property, and I've been bugging her.
		She has it on her files to bring it over because I'm going to settle.
		I'm probably going to move maybe back to my home state of Arizona.
		Or more than likely, there's actually a group of us here that want to look into Canada.
		Because for whatever reason, the best indicators I'm getting is that this is kind of strange.
		90% of the people in Canada are supposed to survive without even paying attention to this, just because of where they are tectonically and where they're supposed to end up.
		I mean, they're supposed to end up like where Southern California is and relative to the new equator.
		Now, for some of my...
		I have we're covered totally coast to coast in Canada.
unidentified		Commercial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, absolutely not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you right now, we're on coast to coast.
unidentified		Oh, I see what you're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're on coast to coast.
		In Canada.
		So, in other words, what I'm saying is you're giving at least some reasonable news to some portion of my audience.
		Well, there's the upper United States.
		There's a lot of scientists that are contracting out dome homes up in the upper part of the United States next to Canada.
		A dome home would be a structure that would survive the worldwide earthquakes at the time during the shift and the high winds.
		Yeah, I guess a dome is good in the wind, isn't it?
		Oh, yeah, it's good for the quakes also.
unidentified		There's something about a structure of a dome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you put pressure on any side of it, the entire structure takes that pressure and relieves that pressure.
		Whereas, you know, a normal home, when you press on one side, all of the pressure goes on that one side.
		Yeah, goes down like match sticks, basically, in a big quake.
unidentified		A dome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A dome.
		So some people are getting really serious about this is what you're telling me.
		Yeah, in fact, just in the last three weeks, I've run across a website that someone could ask about, because I can't rattle off the top of my head, where people are building rammed earth dome homes for just $1,000.
		I mean, they're just taking earth, they're putting it in sandbags, they're putting barbed wire to hold it together, and then finishing it off, and they look like beautiful little hobbits and not spending much money doing it.
		That's the point here.
		I've seen some new domes here in Perump, where I live.
		They're building some dome houses.
		It's kind of neat.
		And, gee, I wonder if this is why they're doing it.
		Well, whether it's the reason or not, perhaps they're acting instinctively, and they're just doing the right thing without knowing the reason why.
		You don't need to know the reason why, really, for the up-and-coming events.
		I mean, there's been survivalists that have been gathering together for years, and they just know something's going to happen here, and they're following their instincts.
		Yeah, we're going to have quite a bit of warning, though, right?
		According to you.
		In other words, from the time when the news is, according to you, inevitable, it's close enough that small astronomical organizations are seeing it.
		It's breaking all over the news.
		Yes, it's on the way.
		That's going to be a pretty wild time.
		But still, even after that, there's going to be how long from the time of realization of the masses, you're saying, until personally, I don't think it'll happen until the last few weeks, because there'll be paid-for debunkers on the other side of the argument.
		Really?
		Oh, absolutely.
		In fact, I've come up against them, and I'll continue to come up against them, and they're part of the perfection.
unidentified		I expect them to be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, the panic, the collapse of the financial markets would happen if this got out too widespread.
		You know, I expect to hopefully get this message out to as many people as possible, and that is about it.
		The reason the first word of my book is blindsided is because that is what the majority of the population will be.
		They will not take it.
		Well, we were blindsided when two buildings went down in the ARC2.
		We understand blindsided better now than we did then.
		That may be a good thing as a result of that.
		If people are kind of knocked off center and are looking around for something they wouldn't normally look around for, or paying attention a little more closely than they would normally, if that happens as a result of that, then there could be a good silver lining to that happening.
		I suppose, but it's still not a real big one.
		I mean, if two-thirds of the Earth's population is going to die, then that's bad.
		I guess we can do those listening to us some good if all of this is true.
		Do you hold out the slightest possibility, Mark, that this simply isn't true?
		That something will intervene or something will be not as imagined or thought, or it seems to be, something will change that will cause this not to happen?
		Or it's totally, absolutely inevitable.
		For myself, it's totally, absolutely inevitable.
		Simply because, you know, I've read, to find this information, I've had to sift through quite a bit of spiritual material.
		And for what I understand, I didn't put a lot of this in my book because I wanted to just, the focus of it is just, you know, the reality of it.
		It's inbound.
		It causes calamities with each passage.
		But on a purely spiritual side, I believe this to be part of the perfection of a new society that's supposed to spring up from the ruins of this one.
		The hundreds of millions of people there are left in order to survive will have to come together.
		And they will have to work together in order to survive.
unidentified		And this will be the beginning of something that's hopefully beautiful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where do you think you fit in to the new society?
		I hope to be there.
		I hope to help people and spend time with my family and make friends and be optimistic at every turn.
unidentified		I eat very frugally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I like to show people that they don't need very much food at all in order to survive.
unidentified		Food is going to be hard to come by in the aftertimes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how, I suppose, the modern conveniences that we've come to know and love and depend on are kapui, gone, history, new way of lifetime, that sort of thing?
unidentified		For many people, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There will be pockets, though, that will come up as far as I can see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, why wouldn't there be?
unidentified		There's just way too much technology for it all to be lost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I expect, I fully expect, you know, cities to spring up again after a few decades with different technology, high technology.
		It'll all come back at one point in a different way, though.
		But I suppose for the majority, it'll be a more rural, simpler, easier, probably a more down-to-earth society.
unidentified		Something to look forward to, in my opinion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, after all the calamities come and go, and it's years later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I suppose that's one way to look at it.
unidentified		Well, that's why I see the perfectionist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why I don't doubt it, because I see a...
		I see a new culture that's a lot better than this one coming.
		Is there any biblical support for any of what you're saying?
		Well, boiling down the hundreds of intuitives that I've read, I boiled it down to 17.
		One of those 17 is simply a combination of biblical prophecies.
		In fact, I've been in touch with, you might say, the far right politically that believe in the Bible word for word, and they're starting to embrace this because Ezekiel 37 through 39 and Revelation, if you read carefully the ancient historical text that identifies what happens when this planet goes by and what they expect, it fits right in with those.
		So yes, that is a piece of the pie here, that the intelligence have gotten into the Bible.
		Well, that figures.
		I mean, those who interpret literally and take every word to be absolute, I can see how they would make this fit together, no question about it.
		Isn't it liable to spark all kinds of social weirdness if people believe this, you know, dangerous stuff, people going berserk?
		Or do you think it'll just sort of generally be accepted as the lambs accept their fate?
unidentified		Well, I don't expect everyone to accept this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It will, for the people that newly find this out, it'll affect them emotionally, mentally, spiritually, such that after they learn it, it will take at least a few weeks or a few months for them to absorb it completely and accept it wholeheartedly, simply because it'll change their ideas of how they look at everything and everybody.
		It really pulls the rug right out from underneath what you feel is...
		It would if you believed it were true.
		It sure would.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you reach that level of clarity, if you look at the subject close enough, that's the process.
		I know what happened to me when I first developed the clarity.
		It took quite a while before I turned around and in a way embraced it and accepted it.
		It just changes so many things in your mind and life.
		Mark, maybe it's my mission in life ultimately to talk this baby in.
		Maybe that's what I'm here for.
		Well, you know, Art, you have a great show.
		You bring on interesting people and fascinating subjects.
unidentified		And serious issues.
		Oh, yeah.
		And you turn it into entertainment.
		I mean, a show where...
		Each time, a show where people come back each time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine a society where every classroom, every teacher, every learning institution took the entertainment value of presenting the subject just as serious as the subject?
unidentified		I mean, kids would run the school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right.
		They'd be interested, fascinated, riveted.
		I believe that also, of course, Mark.
		I believe that.
		Well, that's the format of your show.
		I was really...
		I was quite serious with what I just said.
		I've speculated for years that if something really, really big were headed at Earth, I could imagine myself, somehow see myself as outside, looking up at this thing with a mic in hand, talking this baby in.
		You know, telling everybody what was going on.
		I can just sort of see it.
		The format of your show has already done that.
unidentified		Oh.
unidentified		I mean, didn't you have on a priest back in 1997 that talked about the inbound in five to ten years?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		You've been doing that for quite some time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Father Melikei Martin.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've been talking this in for quite some time, the format of your show.
		Yeah, that might be one way of looking at it, I suppose.
		Yeah, I suppose I can think of it that way, that I've been doing this for some years now.
		I mean, a lot of the people, the listeners of your show, they're rare.
		They probably have 50% of what is to be known to realize this.
		50 plus percent.
unidentified		Some have 100.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		It doesn't take much for them to understand the reality.
		A lot of people are going to want to start following the trail.
		You know, they will be obviously curious enough or worried enough or concerned enough that they're going to want to start to try to find out for themselves whether this can be true.
		Now, we've got a lot of links up on my website tonight.
		And everybody's going to have to make their own judgment.
		But there is a lot of information about what Mark's saying.
		And you need to do some reading before you, you know, cast this away as just baloney.
		So that would be a good place to begin.
		And ultimately, if somebody's really interested, you would suggest they get involved in this group, right?
unidentified		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Also, there's another website there that lists about 40 or 50 books as simply confirmation material for my text that is featured on top.
		And one of those books happens to be...
		to be co-authored by a man by the name of art bell the coming global superstorm i would i wouldn't suggest to go there to get it though hold on a moment mark all right so you can go do some reading on your own and i understand a lot of you uh don't believe this or don't want to believe it or whatever but uh the reading is there if you want to do it saw at artbell.com under tonight's guest mark
		Hazelwood's name.
		That's a good place to begin.
unidentified		Well, I love you too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mark Hazelwood is my guest, and what I think I'm going to do in a moment is to turn him over to all of you and let you ask questions or what have you.
		It's pretty serious stuff.
		His book, entitled Blindsided Planet X Passes in 2003, and then in capital letters, Earth Changes with an exclamation point after that.
		So, I think that'll be it.
		I do want to ask, though, just first if I can, Mark, since you've written this book, what's been the fallout from it?
		What'd your dad say?
unidentified		What'd my dad say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what'd he say?
		Well, his first reaction was, you need to get on the Art Bell show.
		Did he really say that?
		Oh, absolutely.
		He did?
unidentified		I mean, and he's kept on saying that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but I, okay, but I don't mean so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm serious.
unidentified		That was his first reaction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he didn't even, he knew about the material, but he just discounted it.
		I mean, he just looked at it, I guess, from purely trying to get the information out getting sales for the book.
		I don't know.
		Maybe, maybe it was your only hope is Art Bell.
		That was his attitude.
unidentified		Get on the Art Bell show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the perfect format, he said.
		Well, well, it is.
		It absolutely is the perfect format.
		He was dead right about that.
		So, you know, I know a lot of people are headed to the links that we've got up there right now, including the one to your book.
		And they will, a lot of people, you know, they'll take it different ways.
		Some are going to be angry, Mark.
unidentified		Listen, I've gotten the most colorful email imaginable.
unidentified		Oh, I bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I bet.
		And by the way, I do not get upset at these people that approach me that way, because when I was first
		introduced to this material i fit in that category i i was my language is a little more colorful than even some of the ones that i've gotten and i ignored it completely for several months i mean it just that's that's the nature of the the first introduction to this material all reactions are perfect in my opinion okay uh Well, then you're liable to get the range of them.
		I know that a lot of people in my audience know a lot about what you're talking about.
		That's a good thing.
		You're going to sure get some of that, but I bet we get the full range.
		Anyway, we'll never know until we try.
		First time, Caller Line, you're on the air with Mark Hazelwood.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Mark.
		How are you doing today?
		Listen, fascinating stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		Oh, this is I'm Jamie from La Quinta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		La Quinta.
unidentified		Laquinta, California.
		All right.
		Yeah, I heard about this back in 1994.
		This is when I first heard about this Pan X thing.
		Where from?
		Dr. Zachariah Stitchin was a guest on Chuck Carter's show.
		And he saw a video, a one-hour video of this, and it was very fascinating.
		And at the end of that video, he went to the United States Naval Observatory and talked to some high official guy.
		Anyways, he told Dr. Zachary Stitchin that you're exactly right in what you're talking about and pointing out we think the planet is in this section, just about the same area where you feel it's in this area.
		And that really blew me away.
		One question.
		This planet, from what I understood through the video, through Dr. Zachary Shikton, it struck Earth once before, which created our asteroid belt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that something you believe, Mike, that there was actually at some point a physical collision?
		You know, it's easy to find out the reality of this planet, the fact that it causes calamities each time and is inbound now.
		These other side issues, I can only say that I've heard about them.
		And from the best knowledge that I've come across as far as dealing with that question is Planet X didn't exactly strike, I think it was Tiomet was the name of the planet prior to Earth.
unidentified		It was simply one of its moons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From what I understand, you know, this is something that I certainly can't confirm, that Planet X actually had seven moons trailing it.
		And at one point it passed close, and one of those moons struck this larger planet.
		Maybe I'm mispronouncing the name, Tiomet, and the result of that was that the largest chunk became Earth.
unidentified		I mean, that's, I have no way to verify that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's just, you know, part of the information that I've run across with studying this material.
		So it could be our creator as well as our destroyer.
		Well, that's what you just said, in a way.
unidentified		Yeah, no, that's exactly true.
unidentified		I just thought about what you said for half a second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And no, that is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely true.
unidentified		It could have been the beginning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The creator and the destroyer.
unidentified		Gee, you wrapped that up pretty well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Mark Hazelwood.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art, and good morning, Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I want to thank you for, I don't know, confirming why I wanted to move to Canada all these years.
		Okay.
		I learned about Planet X actually from a tabloid magazine as a child.
		And I don't know how you retained that memory.
		I was probably, I don't know, 8 or 9.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old are you now?
unidentified		32.
		Okay.
		So Planet X has been in my memory for quite some time.
		And, you know, I don't want to say it's so much frightening as it is compelling right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I, too, have seen it in tabloids, and it wasn't that many years ago.
		I've seen it.
		I never picked it up, but I've seen the headlines.
		By God, I have.
		Well, I'd like to say something about the Planet X stories and tabloids.
		That is actually, in some way, it's a combination of things.
		Part of that is part of the disinformation.
unidentified		And part of that is getting the information out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you see something in a tabloid, you're really not going to take it seriously.
		Whereas at the same time, if the powers that be are not in complete agreement, which I don't think they are in disclosing this, then part of the time they're giving hints all over the place.
		And this may be one of their ways of getting information out.
		I mean, they can't come clean.
		They have to break the catch-22 of holding on to this information for so long.
		So they give hints here and there in several different ways without actually coming out and saying, this is it.
		Do you suppose, Mark, that they have concluded that to say something would simply drive the world literally mad?
		We'd have some sort of Mad Max scenario on our hands between now and planet X time?
		That is my conclusion, and I don't necessarily disagree with how they're handling it in that regard at this point.
		Now, if they would have announced having found it...
		No, I don't think so because, you know, it's easy to go after me.
unidentified		I don't hold any weight in the scientific community.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm simply a musician's son, you know, a 45-year-old crazy grandfather.
unidentified		I mean, it's easy to discount me.
unidentified		Also, they know something for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even if they announced it on normal TV day after day, most people wouldn't even take it seriously until they saw it.
		The majority of the public out there would not even pay attention if they shouted it from the street corners day after day.
		Really, that is the level of our society, not the Art Bell audience.
unidentified		Well, for one of the people don't care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For one thing, people have been shouting it from streets for quite a while.
unidentified		Right, and who's listening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And who's listening?
		You can see them on the street corners of any big city, redeem yourself now.
		It's on the way, blah, blah, blah, to anything more specific.
		So if anything, that'll just sort of make people dismiss it all the more.
		Well, I kind of believe I fit right into their scenario as far as getting the information out through grassroots.
		And I am certainly a grassroots source.
		They want a certain amount of people to know about this.
		Yeah, but I mean, aren't you somewhat concerned that somebody's going to come along and mow you?
unidentified		No, I have no concern at all.
unidentified		None whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been spiritually led to do this, and I feel I'm spiritually protected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if something like that happens...
unidentified		All right, well, you have to understand my attitude.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At this point, you know, on the Art Bell show, having done several other radio shows prior to this, it's too late.
		If they make a martyr out of me, the people on the Preparation 2003 list, they would step up en masse.
		I mean, making a martyr out of me would, whew, that would be worse than leaving me alone and discrediting me and attacking my character, which is already being done quite a bit.
		Uh-huh.
		I got a bunch of emails.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mark Hazelwood.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, guys.
		My name's Leanne.
		I'm from Tatanoo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Mark, you have thrown me for a loop.
		I've been hugging my husband in terror.
		A couple of questions.
		First, for myself, and I guess my neighbors as well.
		Is Tennessee Valley safe?
		And how big is this planet?
		What's it composed of?
		And if you could talk a little bit more about the seven moons that trail it, that would be fantastic.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, from the best of my understanding, and this is from hard scientific sources from modern astronomy.
		The size of the planet is about four to five times the mass of Earth, but it's not like a normal planet in our solar system.
		It's what is known as a failed star, classically a brown dwarf.
		Now, it doesn't fit classically into a brown dwarf category.
unidentified		It's actually a little smaller than what it should be.
unidentified		But so it's a lot denser.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it has more weight.
		It's like the professional wrestler of the planetary world.
		In fact, I kind of see it as the half-brother with a bad reputation that comes by every once in a while and disrupts everything and then leaves.
		Are you aware of Hopi prophecy?
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
unidentified		I reference Hopi Prophecy in my book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's not one of my intuitives, but towards the end I couldn't help it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because, you know, I've read Phoenix Rising, I believe was the name of the book or something, and a couple others.
unidentified		Certainly I'm very aware of it.
		Yeah, Phoenix Rising, it's right here.
		Mary Summer Rain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have several shelves of books that are all about this subject.
		Yeah, but I've interviewed hoopy elders here.
		Oh, you have?
		Oh, on the air, yes.
		Oh, translation.
		With translations.
		It was a hard show to do, but it was awesome.
		Fit right in?
		Oh, yeah.
		Fit right in.
		What the elders said about what would be coming in our skies and the stages, it all fits exactly right in.
		They say it a very different way and, you know, put it a very different way.
		and to them it's a spiritual matter, period.
		I mean, you know, I guess you call me someone who's talking about doom.
unidentified		I'm not a prophet or a psychic or anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I don't see it that way.
unidentified		I mean, this is going to be...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but I see it as the most exciting times in thousands of years.
		And I believe, you know, I have a very good chance of survival simply because I'm forewarned.
		And I'm going to take the obvious steps and try to be in a safe area.
		So you think Arizona might be safe?
		Oh, there's going to be places in Arizona, high elevation, rolling hills, certainly.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not all of it.
		Any particular elevation that's more attractive to you than another?
		Well, I would say 900 feet or higher, but like I said, stay away from the mountains.
unidentified		Why do you think the mountains are there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, during past passages, the tonic plates hit each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And mountains got made, yes.
unidentified		Pardon me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Big, big mountains got made.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly.
unidentified		And if you're there, you'll be part of that making again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you'll meet your maker.
		Yeah.
		Yeah, yup, yup, yup.
		You wouldn't want to be on what's turning into a mountain right before your very eyes.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to be in flat plains with constant rain and with the melting poles, the water's going to be coming up.
		So the rolling hills are your best bet.
		The rolling hills where the rain would just sort of roll down.
		Yeah, and it protects you against the high winds.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not one thing, it's another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on there with Mark Hazelwood.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you familiar with Alexander Gerstein?
		It rings a bell.
		He had written an article in the Sky and Telescope October 95, I'm sorry.
		And it appears that the zodiac calendar is actually a lot longer than what people believe.
unidentified		Zodiac calendar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure.
		You lost me there, too.
		Well, it's one of the oldest.
unidentified		Call me nervous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I've never been on the air before.
		Just relax and tell us what you're trying to say.
unidentified		I can appreciate that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was on the air for the first time just a few weeks ago.
		I wish I would have had a chance to reread the article before I called, but it definitely indicates that, according to Alexander Gerstein, that it really looks like we are, this entire solar system is revolving around something else.
		Yeah, our central sun.
unidentified		That's my understanding now.
unidentified		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our sun is in orbit around something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of this is actually in orbit around something else, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I get the idea.
		I'm not sure exactly how it fits in with the Planet X scenario specifically.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm not sure either, but I thought it was...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I cut this out of sky and telescope, like I said, October 95.
		And it's an article by Alexander Gersh Teen.
		All right.
		We'll check it out.
		TQ in Medford.
		Maybe it is relevant in some way.
		Who knows?
		It could be a tie-in to the other sun, the dark sun.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
		So many things we just don't know.
		First time color line, you're on the air with Mark Hazelwood.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi there.
		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		This is Brandon from Ashland.
		Yes.
		Yes.
		Well, two things I wanted to mention.
		First of all, on two of the websites, it says that mountains are actually a safe place to be.
		And I don't think that's probably correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you.
		I don't control any of those websites.
		You have to understand.
		I can only make suggestions.
		I am certainly someone who posts, well, I have posted there 100%.
		Are you talking about Preparation 2003?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For example, in Hawaii, people come on my show and they're famous for saying, yeah, there's going to be this big calamity, ocean's going to rise and big tidal waves and all the rest of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we're cool here in Hawaii because we have a big mountain.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To them, you would say, what?
		Well, I don't recommend mountains whatsoever.
		In fact, if I could make a suggestion to the owner of the list to take that down, that would be nice.
unidentified		And a historical reference, I guess, 3,000 years ago, is there any type of documentation, like around, I guess, that 8,000 B.C. We're talking around between 1,600 and 1,700 B.C. There's quite a bit of evidence.
unidentified		I mean, here's something you cannot argue with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tree rings worldwide were narrowed during that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That gives rise to volcanoes going off and screwing up the atmosphere for years.
unidentified		And the sea levels worldwide dropped 15 to 20 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think some way the bowels of the oceans opened up and poured into the bowels of the earth is what I meant.
		All right.
		Hold on, Mark.
		If you're willing to keep going, I certainly am.
		All right?
unidentified		Yes, I'm going to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stay right there.
		Rest here at the top of the hour, and we'll bring more people on with you.
		Planet X. That's what we're talking about.
		It's a big one.
		It's a dense one.
		And when it comes by, things are going to change.
		What a wise man knows, huh?
		Who believes?
		Is that what this is?
		Or what a wise man knows?
		Something happened in our distant past, and a lot of people are saying it's about to happen again.
		In a moment, we'll continue with Mark Hazelwood.
		Stay right there.
		You know, Mark mentioned Father Malachi Martin.
		One of the things that Father Malachi Martin confirmed when he was on the air was that the Vatican, as I think I've told you before, I think it's on Mount Graham, if I'm correct, something like that, went into Arizona and to a mountaintop and blew by all kinds of environmental concerns very quickly to get this observatory built in Arizona.
		And the Vatican is looking really, really hard at something out there, and they're trying to find something.
		I mean, you would have to presume to push through all these environmental concerns to get something up with influence all the way from Rome to get it done.
		They're looking for something out there.
		You give any thought to that, Mark?
		Absolutely.
		There are four or five different religions, actually, that own observatories.
		The reason being is because they have access to ancient texts that they're not letting on that talk about the incoming planet in more detail than the text that the general population is allowed to look at.
		So they're all fully aware of it, and they've been told to stay silent, and they're trying to figure out exactly when it will come.
		And pretty much they already know, and they're looking at it.
		Well, I guess that brings me a little bit back to what you're doing.
		Now, here you are, you've written a book, and you're on my program now, and telling everybody this is going to happen.
		How do you feel about that?
		In other words, even though you cast yourself as nothing more than a musician's son with some information in a book compiled from the information, it's still real serious stuff.
		And on the one hand, I almost heard you say, well, it might be better if people don't know.
		Is it just your attitude that because you portray yourself this way or people take you this way, no problem, you can talk about it?
		Or, you know, how have you thought about this?
		This is the reality that I'd like to see.
		If that is true as far as how people view me, I hope it is.
		That's all I can say.
		I don't know about that.
		I figure that I have to stay positive while doing this, and I'm not going to consider the other possibilities.
unidentified		But at the same time, I have no fear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I figure, you know, if God has a plan for me, and he wants me to be taken out at a certain point.
unidentified		That's fine by me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure whatever existence that I go on to next will be better than this one.
		I share that view in general.
		All right, let's take some more calls, see what we get.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Mark Hazelwood.
		Hello?
		Hello, my name is Michael from Merlin, Oregon, and I've waited 40 years for this show.
		Really?
		Yeah, I've waited 40 years.
		Way back in college, began to read the works of Immanuel Velikowski and Worlds in Collision and became very interested in it.
		And he was dealing with the mass amnesia in mankind.
		I mean, people will not accept the fact that there is something coming that has occurred before, periodically.
		I went into that line.
		I began to examine everything I could.
		I began to travel around the world.
		I began to study the Aboriginal people, archaeology, and so forth.
		And I began to study all the books, including the Bible.
		And as far as I'm concerned, like I say, I waited 40 years for the mass conscience to break to this point where we can wake up and realize if we don't straighten up our act, we're going out.
		Oh, no, wait a minute.
		Now, see, that's kind of it.
		You took off right at the very end into sort of a different territory.
		But what do you mean, if we don't straighten up?
		The way I'm hearing this.
		This is on the way.
		And whether we straighten up or we don't straighten up, it's toast time.
		It's a little bit more complex than that.
unidentified		There is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, the event that's coming is basically if we here, how do we say, do what's necessary in ourselves to prepare for the coming, then the outworking will actually be beneficial.
		And I think Mark alluded to that.
		Yes, but that's at the other side of, nevertheless, two-thirds of the population going...
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's our problem, you see.
		For instance, you asked before about the Bible.
		I mean, in the year 1600 B.C., approximately 3,600 years ago, the strongest country on Earth at that time was Egypt, greatest army, and it was completely destroyed by the last visit of this planet.
		We call it the Ten Plagues.
		We read it all the time, but we never really recognized that there was something manifest at that time.
		And yet, you see what happened, and what I meant is the people were slaves, then millions of people weren't slaves, they were out in the desert, and at that point, they had an opportunity to do something, which, and this is a whole story, they didn't do.
		And they didn't prepare themselves, and now here comes this planet again.
		What could they have done?
		Could have given up the state of slavery in themselves, and they didn't.
		Yeah, but what would have changed?
		I mean, planetary mechanics, sir, are planetary mechanics.
		Okay, I'll tell you what would have changed.
		You see, that's why you're the master of what you do.
		You draw that out of people.
		And now you're going to make me sound flaky.
		What I'm saying is that there is a vibrational pattern that we establish in the behavior on Earth as people that influences the electromagnetic, geographical, gravitational, what have you, pathways, signs, and seasons are out there.
		I've done some experiments, as you well know, with the human mind.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it, exactly.
		And what I'm saying is that, you know, they say, know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
		Well, here's the point.
		What is the knowing of the truth, if not to reorient one's mind, one's consciousness, and the setting free is from the implications of what could have happened.
		In other words, this planet will either destroy us or bring us back into balance.
		Now, here's the stretch in consciousness.
		How can our attitudes on Earth influence something as large as a planet?
		See, there's the stretch in consciousness.
		But I mean, that's why I say I wouldn't want to push in that direction at this point.
		But to suggest that there is, I think Mark kind of mentioned, a spiritual implications in the behavior of mankind that sets up a field in one's heart, in one's consciousness, in one's body, as it were, that interacts with creation out there, including the planet.
		In other words, what I'm suggesting, we're much more of a living organism than we imagine.
		Exactly.
		And, you know, we look at it mechanistic.
		And what I meant when I sort of...
		It's simple, and I just talk from the heart.
		All right, listen, sir.
		Hold it there.
		That's plenty to chew on.
		I appreciate the call.
		Yes, sir.
		Take care.
		Mark, let's chew on that for a second.
		He seems to be indicating that if man goes through some massive change and there is a great general mindset change, that somehow what should be happening no matter what we do does not happen.
		Do you subscribe to any of that?
unidentified		I agree and I disagree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, I believe absolutely what he says individually.
unidentified		Individually, if you change your consciousness, you will be led to the right area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What you will experience, as opposed to what the rest of the people will experience, will just be excitement and interesting times and an upliftment of your consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whereas the rest of the people during the same event, the event isn't changing at all.
unidentified		It's your perspective.
unidentified		It's how you deal with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's what you experience.
		So then, in some substance, you disagree with that caller.
		Like I said, I agree.
		Yes, but you're saying it's kind of a comp out in a way.
		You're saying, yeah, sure, you can avoid it individually because you can conclude it's real and get to a safe place.
		He was saying the planetary mechanics would actually change and it would never happen.
		So that's a point of Fairly significant disagreement.
unidentified		Right, that is true.
unidentified		It all boils down to the individual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you change your consciousness and perhaps don't even prepare, there's a greater chance you'll get lucky.
		And while the majority perish around you, you are still there.
		You, in some way or fashion, led yourself to luck.
		Okay.
		I see you meet that far.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Mark Hazelwood.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good evening, gentlemen.
unidentified		Or good morning, as it may be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably morning for most.
unidentified		This is Kat, near San Francisco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I will probably ignore any mass exodus.
		First of all, I'm older than you art, and I'm an old war horse.
		Sustained much damage to the body.
		Not much use to anybody but myself and my cats.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You and your cats are going to ride it out.
unidentified		I will try to make life comfortable for my cats, and we will just take what comes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I don't disagree with that attitude.
		You know, I really don't disagree with it.
		That might surprise you, Mark.
		But to some degree, I don't disagree with that attitude.
		I live here in the desert, not too very far from Death Valley.
		And if what you say is true, this was once the desert of the sea out here, you know.
		I mean, the sea was here long ago, and the sea could be here again.
		And I don't think, Mark, that I would pick up and move sticks.
		You know, I'd stick it out and probably be gurgling.
		Well, I don't disagree with y'all's attitude whatsoever.
		You don't?
		Not whatsoever.
		Well, then why not stay in Florida?
		Well, no.
		I mean, for someone who has lived a long, good life, I mean, why would they want to pull up roots and start again?
unidentified		It would just be too hard on them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they experience, you know, as long as they don't sit around and fear this as it comes, just to welcome it.
		I mean, there's no reason for them to try to start over again.
		I really believe that that's the reason why there's so many elder people here in Florida.
		They've just been naturally led here.
		I see.
		So their level of acceptance, you feel, would be much higher, their quesoral surrah kind of attitude.
unidentified		Well, I feel, in fact, that they should discount this completely and ignore it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The majority of the elder population.
		Well, I mean, that might be cruel advice, too.
		Well, from my standpoint, you know, I happen to have a belief in reincarnation.
		I don't think it's cruel.
		I mean, why would anyone in the latter part of their life want to pull up their roots and try to start anew?
		I mean, it'd be very difficult.
		Well, even with reincarnation, if two-thirds of us are suddenly gone, it's going to be like a long waiting line at the reincarnation counter.
		Well, I don't know anything about that.
		There may be other planets, other existences, other types of entities to reincarnate.
		And I don't know.
unidentified		I mean, this is all speculation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		I mean, if you think it's past finding out.
		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mark Hazelwood.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Ark.
		Hey, Mark.
		This is Mark in Olay to Kansas.
		I'm listening on 7.10 talk a.m. in Kansas City.
		Yes, sir.
		It was interesting that that other guy mentioned Velikovsky because that's why I called, too.
		I was reading Earth and Upheaval several years ago, and he talked about the Earth and what would provide the energy for the Earth to actually flip over on its axis.
		And he conceded that the Earth in itself doesn't have enough energy to just flip, you know.
		And he mentioned a couple of possibilities.
		The best one, I thought, was if the Earth passed through a cloud of really heavily electrically charged gas, if the charge was high enough, the iron core of the Earth might flip, you know, abruptly.
		And I thought that was, you know, that just kind of a light bulb went off my head.
		It's like, wow, yeah, that kind of would work, wouldn't it?
		You know, but this, if it's a big, huge, heavy with a blot of gravity, I suppose it'd do the same thing.
		And I was reading in there where he talked about all these caves in different places in the world that are just filled with thousands on thousands of skeletons of animals that were just like crushed and packed in there as if they'd gotten caught in this giant wave and just crushed down into the earth, you know, all at once.
		And there's like places in Siberia and there's places in Alaska that are like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just think two-thirds of us then would be future petroleum reserves.
unidentified		Yeah, I suppose so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, just as a reference, chapter 18, page 198 of the coming global superstorm says just that.
		Well, you know, here's an interesting moment for us, Mark.
		There are those who accuse you of stealing their ideas or their work.
		That's one of the criticisms that comes at you, right?
		This is correct.
		But, you know, I just, I can't figure out really whose work you're stealing because Zachariah Sitchin said the same stuff.
		The Hopi elders have said the same stuff.
		There are all kinds of groups out there that are saying this kind of stuff.
		And so I don't exactly get it.
		It's like whose material is this really?
		It's all kinds of people's material, right?
		I reference over 50 people in my book, and I point 100 different directions to spread the blame of this.
		I mean, these ideas are coming from our collective consciousness into the most sensitive people, the intuitive, and scientists, and people who have, you know, secretive ancient texts like within the Vatican, et cetera.
unidentified		I mean, this is...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're not the only one.
unidentified		I mean, I'm not pointing towards them exclusively.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well I always rather thought they did not reveal the entire third secret of Fatima.
		It sort of struck me as well if you listened to Father Malachi Martin who knew the third secret of Fatima and then you listened to the revelation as it came and was supposedly in its wholeness, these were not the same things at all.
		What Father Malachi Martin said would stand the hair on the back of your head up for sure and your neck and all other parts of your body simultaneously.
		You know, he said things like, well, if you can imagine, the worst you can imagine, if you close your eyes and you imagine the worst thing you could for planet Earth, it's worse than that.
		Bullshit.
		That's what he said.
		And then, of course, Third Secret of Fatima came out, and it was about an attempted assassination of a Pope.
		So not the same things at all.
		Anyway, listen, hold on, Mark.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
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		So when it does, just rock me gently.
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		Music playing.
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		I see you, a woman tender.
		Lord, I feel such a sweet surrender.
		Beautiful is the dream that makes you mine.
		Rock me gently, rock me slowly.
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		Secretary of State Colin Powell stopped in Kabul today reiterating promises of long-term U.S. support for Afghanistan and its rebuilding.
		And he thanked Afghan government officials for their support in the war on terrorism.
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		Officials have been testing some suspicious-looking canisters that were found at al-Qaeda sites in Afghanistan, but they say they appear to be harmless.
		On this, the 11th anniversary of the Gulf War, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein says his country is prepared for and would foil any U.S. military attack on Iraq as part of the war against terrorism.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Driver's seat.
		Boy, can you imagine being a long-haul trucker this morning?
		You know, Holland's bought between one place and another, all the way across country, so you're driving all night long.
		And you're listening to this, you know, got a load of beef or something in the back, and you're chewing on this information.
		Can you imagine that, Mark?
		Yeah, I can, in fact.
		All right.
		Listen, hold on.
		We'll be right back and we'll take more calls.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, everything these days just scares the hell out of you, doesn't it?
		This included.
		Okay, Mark, here you are once again.
		You ready?
		You know, just to follow up on your, can you imagine being a trucker?
		I'm sitting here with two men and my son.
unidentified		They just came over to support me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're truckers.
		One is 280 pounds, one is 320 pounds.
		Well, then they know exactly what I just said.
unidentified		That's what I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a lot of people would think about a lot of things.
		If they knew this was true, they'd start thinking about all kinds of things.
		It'd be interesting to see what the world would do.
		Maybe we'll find out.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Mark Hazelwood.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I am in San Diego.
		Okay.
		I've heard a lot of stuff on your program, Art.
		And, you know, I can accept past civilizations long gone, and I can pretty much accept UFOs and stuff like that.
		But I have a hard time going along with this because if we're talking about two-thirds of the world population being destroyed, I think it's kind of irresponsible and negligent to say that someone would try to debunk this when we're looking at this and it's less than two years away.
		Especially with all the technology that we have out there now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but what could we do to affect something of that size?
		I've had, you know, if it were true, I've had scientists on here who talk about affecting small objects that they might detect coming toward Earth.
		But something this size, believe me, I can tell you, they would say no way.
unidentified		That they wouldn't be able to see it coming towards Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, they'd see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That they could do nothing to affect it.
unidentified		Yeah, but I mean, I think that words could, you know, get out to the masses that, you know, something that this big is coming towards Earth and, you know, it's going to affect two-thirds of the world population.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what we've been saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what Mark has been saying.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
		I want to say that I agree with the caller.
		I think it's highly negligent of anyone out there that has this information who's only giving hints that if they're keeping it to themselves, I challenge every one of them to grow some kahunas and start saving lives by opening them up.
		Yeah, but you know maybe it's been calculated by somebody if this were true.
		And I'm not saying that I believe that all of what you're saying is true, Mark, because I don't necessarily.
		I don't have to do a lot of reading and a lot of thinking.
		I just see signs all over the place that something like this could be from a zillion guests, but I don't know anything to be an absolute fact yet.
		I haven't done enough research so that I could say that to myself.
		But if I did, I might really think that it might not...
		There simply might not be any point in it.
		Well, I've done some research down in Homestead, Florida, and found out that thousands of people were killed down there.
		And if I was a businessman down there, and I realized this, and I realized the controllers of the media covered all this up, I might agree with them that my business would continue if they covered this up.
		That my real estate prices of my beachfront property would still be high if they covered up the thousands of deaths down in Homestead during Hurricane Andrew.
unidentified		So I can see both sides of the equation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, something of this magnitude that would so change the world forevermore and perhaps just begin a new civilization.
		Yeah, I don't know.
		I mean, I think it's debatable whether the big powers that be really should say something.
		Actually, debate.
		It'd be a legitimate debate to have back and forth whether or not to actually reveal it.
		Well, like I said, even I, early in the program, you heard me say, I go back and forth on the issue.
		I mean, I felt the need, once I reached this level of clarity, I thought, holy, this is not being presented correctly.
		I could do this and put it in one quick read to bring someone that doesn't have any knowledge up to speed to the reality.
		And that bothered me that I had that clarity, and I thought that I had that ability.
		But I understood that even that goes so far.
		And if I were them, if I were the guys that were managing this, the powers that be, I might not do anything different than what they already have.
		I might agree wholeheartedly with it.
		But I'm not one of those people.
		So, you know, I that's fair.
		I mean, that's absolutely fair.
		But yes, their position might be the correct one and the logical one and the proper one to take when you considered everything.
		At least it's a legit argument.
		Okay.
		I could possibly agree with that.
		Wildcardline, you're on the air with Mark Hazelwood.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Larry, one mile from the Atlantic Ocean in Fort Lauderdale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The present line of the Atlantic Ocean, you meet, right?
unidentified		That's true.
unidentified		There seems to be a recurring theme here with the Hobies, Father Malachi Martin, Major N. Dames.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Many, many.
unidentified		And it seems like sometimes these dates come and go, and people say, ah, this is just another one.
		And I think what happens is that these people legitimately, through history, through sensitivity, through spiritualism, really, really see something coming.
		But what they don't see is the divine intervention that stops these things.
		And I think what the caller about five callers ago said is very, very true.
		And I'd like to add that I think the lesson in all this may be just the knowledge that the impending doom is coming.
		And if people really don't want it to happen and they are able to vibrate, let's say, with a higher being, I believe that this thing could come by here and either not hit us or not come by here, or that the poles can shift without that violent maneuver, in that the people at a certain latitude simply adopt the season of the opposite latitude, below or above the equator.
		And so I think that this one sounds very real because it shows up across the board.
		And in looking at Mark's website, you see all of the different names that it's been called in the past.
		But I really believe that we're here for a higher purpose.
		And if we're meant to go, we're going to go.
		But I think that we are protected.
		And we don't really know everything about that.
		And I think that the lesson here may be just in the knowing that it's coming and how we react to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I don't discount what you say at all.
		And I don't necessarily agree yet with Mark with regard to the surety of this event.
		But if I did, I would not discount what we've done here with experiments of the mind.
		And that it could be that that ultimate power that we talked about as a possibility when we did all these programs, the latest being the graphs, oh my God, the graphs, that human beings could affect such an event under some special circumstances.
		I would be the last to deny that.
		So there's a little bit of hope for somebody here.
		Easy to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Mark Hazelwood.
		Hello.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hi.
		Yeah.
		I was just thinking, if it's accepted that this disaster is on course to happen, do you think it's possible that we could do a mass concentration to try to stop it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		same thing I just dealt with before you got on the air here.
		I mean, I think that that's an option to try.
		You know, this is a power that we don't know a lot about.
		We're just beginning to understand it.
		And boy, in the most rudimentary ways, to even observe that the power is there.
		So is it one possibility to lessen the impact or to eliminate it?
		I'd be the last to say it couldn't Be done because I don't know.
		Obviously, you think generally not, right, Mark, except at the individual level?
unidentified		That is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that your attitude towards the up-and-coming events will determine your experience within the events.
		And even if you perish, the way you perish, how you perish, and how you end up in the afterlife will be different if you have a positive attitude about it.
		And you will, I go along with the other caller, more than you know about raising your vibratory rate, that there is something to that.
		Sure.
		Okay.
		First time, caller line, you are on the air with Mark Hazelwood.
unidentified		Hello.
		Mark, I wanted to talk to you more about what you were talking about, about the domes and how you feel they're safer.
		I was wondering where you came across that idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good question.
		Where did you come across the dome idea?
		Well, actually, the first time I came across the dome idea was way back when I was a child in the 60s with Bucky Fuller.
		He was a real dome home advocate.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And then I've learned a lot since then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the originator, I suppose.
		So you just feel it's at least one personal defensive type thing that you can do is to live in a dome home in the right place?
		Absolutely.
		In fact, I was just on vacation in Arizona, and I walked to a girl, up to a girl in Walmart.
		I was looking for another suitcase, and she was, I found out she was from Orlando.
		I'm in visiting Arizona, and I meet this girl from Orlando.
		Her and her husband came to the upper part of the winter wonderland of Arizona, and they said they were building a dome home for the up-and-coming earth changes, and we were talking about the hydroponic farm they were putting in just underneath the dome home.
		And I just thought, geez, what a coincidence.
unidentified		There are.
unidentified		What a coincidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are people doing this.
		I am aware of it as well.
		But from my hometown, she came from my hometown, Orlando, to that specific spot where I was vacationing with her husband, specifically to get away from Earth changes.
		They knew nothing of Planet X. Well, I don't think that Planet X is the only message of its kind out there by a long shot.
		We've discussed many of them tonight.
		So, yeah, I mean, I've heard of people doing this.
		I've heard of it.
		And I wouldn't be one of them.
		Mark, I wouldn't be one of them.
		You would not be one to build it on home?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		Uh-uh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so.
		I absolutely love it where I am.
		It's been great to me.
		And if it's going to be an ocean for a while, then I'll go with the fishes.
		Well, you know, my father, he would not make a decision based on anything I've done.
		In fact, even before I read this book, he decided he was more than likely going to move up into a rural area, maybe Wyoming, Montana.
		And I believe now he's made his decision to do that, and it wasn't based on anything that I've written, but he wants to build a log cabin.
		He doesn't care about no pedal.
		Well, he sounds like a Montana kind of guy when you talk to him.
		Anyway.
		Right?
		Yeah, a log cabin, Montana kind of guy now is what he's become, I guess, in his early 70s.
		Well, that's okay.
		That's absolutely okay.
		But he's not going up there because of what you are saying.
unidentified		Well, he made that decision long ago.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mark Hazelwood.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, all right.
		Yes?
		Are you can you take my question?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		Is it going to be that challenging?
		Yeah, we can take it, probably.
unidentified		Go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's have it.
unidentified		Well, I was thinking, you know, if you tie all of this together, there's also that situation with the Antichrist.
unidentified		You know, supposedly the earth is going to go and be in such a terrible way, and then someone is going to come along and solve all the problems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, or offer to or convince everybody that he can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the Antichrist.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		So, I mean, that sounds like the scenario that would be set up for someone to present himself as a savior.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's another thing to chew on.
		Mark, did you know that NASA recently proposed that Earth be moved?
		Oh, I remember that.
		This is a serious proposal.
		I gathered it all back together last night.
		I remembered when somebody fast-blasted me that a large body of some sort, something really big, it would have to be something really big, would be directed near the Earth, just very close, maybe a brush with the Earth's atmosphere, that close.
		Something that would knock the Earth out of its present orbit, take it a little further away from the Sun.
		It would have to be most carefully engineered, lest you make a mistake and knock us like a pool cue onto the other side of the room.
		But just nudge our orbit away so that we don't all fry from the global warming that they see coming.
		And then, when things got better, the plan would be to bring another monster, something or another, close to Earth and knock us back where we're supposed to be.
		Now, the average person could say, I see a few holes in this idea.
		Even the average guy could say that.
		But it's an honest-to-God plan that NASA has.
		My idea is, why would they even be considering something like that?
		Well, I thought of you when I just now thought of that.
		I thought, well, why would they feel a need to move us other than, you know, slightly warmer temperatures?
		I mean, that seems radical to think about moving us for that.
		But, on the other hand...
unidentified		Emotion to move the whole celestial body, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anyway, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mark Hazelwood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Yeah, this is John in Anchorage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, John.
unidentified		Yeah, I was wondering if Mark is familiar with the Granite Starship written by Paul Kolbeck.
unidentified		I believe you had him on as a guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not unfamiliar with it.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's that about?
unidentified		Well, your theory parallels some of what I read in his book about a very old and very collapsed star that our solar system passes nearby approximately every 33,000 years compared to what you were saying about 36,000 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		3,600, actually.
unidentified		Earth, wasn't it?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		3,600, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very Sitchin-like.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, the granite starship part of it, you want to explain that?
unidentified		Well, I guess it's conversations with aliens concerning the natures of the secrets of the universe.
unidentified		It has to do with this guy, Daniel Hammer, that gets abducted by aliens, and they give him all this knowledge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About building a granite starship.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I don't mention aliens in my book except for one of my intuitives that I reference, zeta talk.com.
		Supposedly, that person gets knowledge from aliens.
		So, you know, I don't really know much about that.
		Well, though, Mark, I guess, you know, you could speculate and you could think for a moment that if something as catastrophic as this were going to occur to a civilization as technical as ours and as advanced in many ways as ours is, maybe not compared to them, but, you know, we seem to be doing pretty well in a lot of ways.
		Not so well on others, but in some ways we're doing okay.
		And it might be that an alien race, if they are out there and if they are observing, might decide that in some way it's time to help us.
		I mean, if ever there was going to be a moment to violate the prime directive, if indeed that's adhered to at all out there, that would be the time.
		You know, I mean, if there would be a wipeout of a very promising civilization, maybe I'm giving us too much credit, that certainly would be the time to intervene, wouldn't it?
		I wholeheartedly agree with your statement.
unidentified		Oh.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in that case, Mark, we are out of time.
		And I say that with love for all the Canadians that I know are listening to me right now with a big smile on their face.
		Mark Hazelwood, thank you for being here, and plenty of people are going to be going to buy your book.
unidentified		Well, thank you, Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Been a pleasure.
unidentified		Real fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, been fun.
		Fun.
		How fun.
		Good night, Mark.
		I've always enjoyed End of the World, Everything.
		Movies, books.
unidentified		Your heart hot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now, Mark Hazelwood.
unidentified		For the time to came.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's about it for tonight, folks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be enough, wouldn't it?
unidentified		Yes.

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