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Jan. 2, 2002 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Neil Slade - Creativity. Stan Romanek - UFO Footage

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in all 24 time zones covered around the world by this program.
		I'm Mark Bell, and this program is Coast to Coast A.M. I'd like to welcome a new affiliate tonight.
		Actually, we're switching affiliates in Spokane, Washington.
		We're going from KGA, 1510 on the dial, to KQNT, way down there, 590 on the dial, 5,000 on 590, and a big, big signal.
		So, Okanians, Spokaneans, Spokians, Spokes, check us out on 590.
		Glad to have you all on board.
		I'd like to say hello to...
		Interesting name, the gym there.
unidentified		Costa Pendidis?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pendidis?
		Pendidis?
		I'm not sure.
		Costa, Costa Pendidis.
unidentified		Close, anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the PD there, Barry Watkins.
		Again, in Spokane now, 590 on the dial.
		Welcome to the network.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In this first hour, you're about to hear and see, if you so desire, a remarkable, I mean, really remarkable UFO sighting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stan Romanek had a daytime UFO sighting in West Denver in December of 2000.
unidentified		Now, you know, we'll discuss the video in a second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Also witnessed close-up by a half dozen other people easily and aired on the local news there.
		This UFO first appeared directly above power lines next to the road about 50 feet from witnesses.
		It almost instantaneously and completely silently popped many hundreds of feet up into the air, which time the video camera was turned on.
		Careful inspection of the video, and they do a still frame for you, shows the six smaller diameter balls on the bottom of the craft rotating about the base, which, according to the witnesses, was, quote, as dark as a black hole.
		Kind of like looking into infinity, end quote.
		For months after the sighting, get this, birds began colliding into Stan's car windshield 34 separate times, actually, over the next several months.
		It suddenly stopped after another UFO beamed his vehicle on September 30th, 2001.
		So this, number one, is a new story.
		I'd like to add it's under investigation by MUFON right now.
		And I'd like to discuss the nature of this sighting in the video.
		And on my website at artbell.com.
		Go to tonight's guest information at artbell.com.
		And when you get there, you'll see Stan's UFO video number one, Stan's UFO video number two.
		I am most impressed by Stan's UFO video number two.
		So, in fact, I'd like to give Stan my impressions of the video very quickly.
		Stan, welcome to the program.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you in Colorado now?
unidentified		That is correct.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stan, when I watched the first video only, you know, obviously I saw the UFO, but I was not overly impressed.
		I thought, this guy can't hold a camera.
		You know, I'm going to get sick to my stomach.
		We're taking a ride here.
		This is bad.
		And I thought, what a bunch of junk.
		And then I watched the second video.
		And in the second video, I'm just giving you my quick impression.
		The UFO is clearly visible, particularly in the stopped footage.
		But what did get to me, Stan, was, and we don't want to give out, because it's under investigation by MUFON right now, we don't want to screw anybody's investigation up.
		I'd rather not give the names of the other witnesses to this event, but at the end of the second video, if people will be persistent, they will see what apparently would be all your neighbors running out of their homes and joining you in the street.
		And you caught all that, fortunately, you caught all that on videotape and all of them, older people and younger people alike, saw this amazing thing.
		And believe it or not, more than anything else, because your eyes, I mean, video can never do justice to what your eyes see.
		So hearing the reaction of these other people blew me away.
		It's at the very end of the second video, folks.
		So be persistent and make sure you stick with it.
		But that's what got to me, Stan.
		I saw those people and hearing what they were saying at the end, and it blew me away.
		This was one real serious sighting.
		Tell me about it from the beginning.
unidentified		Tell you about the first sighting I had.
		Well, at that time, I had a girlfriend that lives in Nebraska.
		She's near my fiancé.
		She had never been to Colorado, and I wanted to videotape the surrounding area for her.
		So I thought, well, gee, I'll get up this morning and I'll kind of surprise her with a nice videotape of Denver.
		Up in the foothills, we have a very popular ample theater called Red Rocks Ample Theater.
		A lot of musicians are pretty familiar with it, and they like to do concerts up there.
		And I thought, you know, that'd be a perfect place to go do this.
		Well, I was driving up there and I was heading west on a road that I've gone lots of times before to go up there and I noticed these cars were slowing down and I couldn't figure out what the heck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah so you weren't really even the first to see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody ahead of you obviously saw it and began to slow.
unidentified		Exactly.
		Okay.
		Well I noticed people were kind of looking off to it would be my left which would be actually south and all of a sudden I see this thing right over power lines and at first you know I'm I was a skeptic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was definitely a skeptic.
		That's very obvious in the tape as well.
		Now, when you say you saw this thing, we don't have eyes.
		What thing?
unidentified		Well, it was about the size of a small car.
		It was rounded on top.
		It wasn't perfectly round.
		It looked like it had some rounded edges to it.
		It had about six rotating balls on the bottom, and they were slowly spinning, and it was tilted forward.
		Now, when I was looking at it, I was behind it, and I could see into the bottom of this thing.
		Wow.
		It was like you could look past it.
		it like you could look into infinity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very spooky.
		Do you actually think you were looking past or through the vehicle?
		Could you discern anything at all actually behind it as in stars not as bright or anything at all?
		Was it a clear night?
unidentified		It wasn't the first sighting I had was actually the daylight sighting and it was just black.
		It's beyond black.
		I can't even you know I look around thinking back and I look around to see if there's anything that compares and there's nothing that compares whatsoever.
		Absolutely nothing that compares to how black that object was on the bottom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now this was round?
unidentified		It was rounded on top and it had six little rotating balls.
unidentified		I shouldn't say little.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They were a little bit yeah but is it a are we imagining a saucer shape with the balls rotating within or no?
unidentified		No actually it wasn't a saucer shape.
		It looked like it almost looked like it was a rounded almost pyramid shape.
		That's the best way I can explain it.
		It was an unusual shape on top.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was definitely rounded, but it had six rotating a pyramid with the edges curved off, that sort of thing?
unidentified		That's the best way I could describe it.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay, all right, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that gives me an idea.
		And it was just above power lines.
		You're sure about that reference?
unidentified		Absolutely positively.
unidentified		It was probably about 10 feet above the power lines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so how busy a street is this that you're on?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was actually pretty busy.
unidentified		And if you saw my whole video footage, you could see there was a truck that slowed down to look at it also.
		Right.
		Cars were passing.
		I almost got run over a few times because I was...
		It is.
		It is extremely...
		I was more interested in what the heck this thing was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was pretty scared.
		I understand.
		Now, prior to this, again, you never believed in this kind of stuff at all, right?
unidentified		No, I actually made fun of people who did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you, really?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are lots of people who do that, Stan.
unidentified		Yes, I was one of them.
unidentified		I admit it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Well, anyway, so this first sighting, so all these cars slow down.
		You almost get hit, and you see this thing, and then what?
unidentified		Well, I was driving along.
		I had my video camera down by my side, and I was actually driving along, and it started, as it started moving, I kind of kept up with it, and I sped up in front of it and pulled over, and right at that point, when I was getting out of my car, it kind of orientated itself straight up and just popped to about 1,000 foot.
		Now, this thing made no noise until it accelerated away, and it made a small sonic explosion.
		Oh?
		That's the best way I can describe it.
		It made a popping noise you could feel through your bones.
		And it vibrated in my shirt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		And at that point, I had gotten on my, I turned on my video camera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the first part you didn't get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It took you how long to say, hey, I've got a video camera.
unidentified		I was getting out of my car at that point.
unidentified		I pulled over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Had it occurred to you while you were pulling over, I've got a video camera, let's give it a try?
unidentified		Honestly, I was pretty terrified.
unidentified		I was in a state of shock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but at some point, obviously, you had enough mental capacity to realize you had a video camera with you.
unidentified		Exactly, yes.
unidentified		Right when I pulled over, I said, well, wait a minute, I could be videotaping this thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Okay.
		Okay.
		So you got out of the car, began videotaping, and that's where you pick it up on tape one.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Up here.
unidentified		Okay.
		And you know, one thing I got to tell you, I don't know how these people get such still images.
		At that time, I didn't have the stabilizer on my camera.
		It was an older Sony camcorder.
		And I was pretty shaken up, so that's why just directly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's understandable.
		Very understandable.
		And you're one of the lucky few.
		I've had some sightings.
		Never had a camera with me when I did.
		So you did very well, actually.
		And they managed to, of course, freeze some of the frame so we can see what the object is.
		And I must admit, it is weird as hell, whatever it is.
		So that was just the first sighting, right?
unidentified		Yes.
		If I like it or not, yes.
		That was the first sighting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then what?
unidentified		Well, then the thing finally kind of darted off to the left, if I'm not mistaken, and then kind of corkscrewed away.
		And just a little ways down the road, there's a pull-off where people can walk their dogs.
		And right after the thing disappeared, I went and found some other witnesses, and we talked about it.
		Now, the interesting thing, and I've told a few people, but I noticed, I didn't notice it, one of the other witnesses noticed it.
		We saw two F-16s fly overhead about 10 minutes later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, isn't that interesting?
unidentified		So I don't know if that, I think it's a little bit more than a coincidence personally.
unidentified		But It might be a coincidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I doubt it.
		You know, I mean, if these things are real, and they certainly are something, they're something.
		Ours, theirs, Russians, Chinese, I don't know, something.
		They're real.
		There's no doubt about it.
		I've had my own experience, so I know damn well they're real.
		I don't know what they are, but they're real.
		So if they are real and our military isn't interested, then our military is not taking care of us because these things are violating our airspace, right?
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that was sighting number one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that's not where the story ends, right?
unidentified		By far no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Well, I had to go to Pennsylvania for some business, and I took my fiancé and my best friend out there.
		And we noticed a few things going out there, but we weren't sure exactly what they were.
		They could have been planes, who knows.
		On the way back, though, my fiancé, this was September 1st, we were coming back from PA.
		We were driving Interstate 80, and it was about Ohio, the Ohio border, just at the end of Ohio.
		And my fiancé noticed something kind of skirting across the sky.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold your story right there.
		And let me take care of business in this first half hour with that little cliffhanger, because trust me when I tell you, this story is far, far from over.
		It's going to get really fascinating.
		And then, in a way, we're going to follow up in the next hour with Neil Slade.
		It's going to be quite a night.
		Stay right there.
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		Oh, my gosh, folks.
		What do I say to you to impress you?
		There have been a lot of interesting things to look at lately in the sky.
		Stan is telling you about one of them.
		But fixed, rather fixed, in the sky, four-nightly viewing at any rate, are these incredible things that...
		And I'm talking about deep star clusters, looking into areas where stars are birthing.
		If you want to look at something close and blow yourself away, try the moon a quarter million miles away.
		And let me tell you, it's like walking around in craters.
		One of these is six inches in diameter, the other eight inches in diameter.
unidentified		Both are gigantic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		UPS can barely deliver them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The 6-inch, 299, the 8-inch, which, by the way, will gather roughly twice the light, $399, both plus shipping and handling.
unidentified		See them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seeing is believing.
		Go to forthenightsky.com.
		That's 4thsky.com or call 1-877-447-4847.
		That's 1-877-447-4847.
		They really are something.
		Okay, Stan, we were with you and your fiancé, and your fiancé had noticed something.
unidentified		That is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Continue.
unidentified		Well, like I said, we were just at the end of Ohio driving west on Interstate 80.
		And she goes, look at that.
		And we're thinking, look at what?
		Now, we were watching planes.
		You know, as you drive, you get kind of bored.
		We're watching planes fly by.
		Well, we all noticed that this thing had no contrail, whatever it was, and it was flying, you know, kind of, well, it was flying in a different direction than all the planes were.
		And I had my video camera with me, and I also had binoculars underneath the seat.
		Well, she yelled, you know, somebody handed me the binoculars so we handed her the binoculars and she goes oh my god it's a UFO well sure enough I looked through the binoculars and it was a perfect your typical perfect disk shape UFO oh really now the interesting thing was this thing would hide behind we there were those little small little puffy clouds out beautiful day but just you know a few little clouds here and there and it would hide behind these clouds and then come popping out again and
		And we noticed as we went forward, we went actually through three states, and this thing stayed ahead of us through three states.
		Now we tried pulling over to get a better shot, because when you have auto focus on your camcorder, it doesn't work very well when you're doing 60 to 70 miles in a car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right.
unidentified		But we tried to pull over, and every time we pulled over, this damn thing would kind of scurry off into a clown.
		Now, amazingly enough, I've got just a little bit of footage with this thing on there.
		I couldn't believe I actually got it, but we sure did.
		We got it on video.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did catch it, yes.
		Yes.
		Mm-hmm.
unidentified		Yes, we sure did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And again, folks, when you watch it, you're going to see a lot of jerking around of the camera, a whole lot of it.
		And you're going to go, I'm getting a little woozy.
		But stick it out for the still frames, and pay attention when I tell you.
		Watch the end of the second video.
		It's very, very important, as you consider the credibility of the story you're hearing.
		It's highly credible, and it's obvious these people really, really, really, really saw exactly what Stan is telling you about right now.
		MUFON is investigating this, aren't they?
unidentified		Yes, they are.
		In fact, there have been quite a few people that have taken this upon themselves, and they've been great.
		The first place that I reported this to was the National UFO Reporting Center.
		And I've got to tell you, Peter Davenport, he was incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was a great, great guy, yeah.
unidentified		He has been very helpful.
		He got me hooked up with MUFON, with John Schuessler and George Zeiler.
		George is the Director of Investigations for MUFON.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And he's been doing the, you know, the bulk of the investigation.
unidentified		He's found out all kinds of interesting, kind of scary stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of what you described, this popping from one location virtually to another, that's very common, as I'm sure you've now come find out in UFO sightings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very common.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a person who didn't believe anything like this before, how does it feel now to be out publicly admitting what you saw?
unidentified		I never would have guessed in a million years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why are you out publicly admitting all this?
unidentified		Because, you know, there's a lot of things out there that we don't know about.
		And I think it's good for people to know.
		I think it's good for people to have an open mind.
		And this is coming from somebody who had a closed mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but I was going to say, there's a lot of people out there like the former you.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who are going to go, oh man, look at this typical lousy video, no videographer here.
		And they're going to criticize heavily and they're going to laugh at you because that's what you did to people before.
		So, I mean, I'm sure you've got words for these people.
		Well, hold those words.
		We'll get them after the break.
		What happened to Stan Romanek is real.
		There's no question about it.
		And when you watch both videos all the way through, you realize this is the absolute truth.
		Plain and simple.
		It's the absolute truth.
		He had a really close encounter.
		That's why MUFON is all over it.
		And for a change, he had a video camera with him.
		Poor as the video is in many ways.
		It is extremely substantial in other ways.
		So, this experience is far from over.
		Some pretty strange things have happened to Stan.
		Stan, in between sightings.
		Absolutely amazing things.
		And maybe it will help us understand the nature of the phenomena that we're facing to hear about them.
		Stay right there.
		Now, I think we should hear about the rest of Stan's experience.
		And it's so much more than you've heard so far.
		So, Stan, I think we've established, you know, that what you saw was absolutely real, period.
		I mean, there's no question in my mind about it.
		What would happen between these two encounters?
unidentified		Well, you know, I've never actually hit an animal with my car over.
		Really?
		I take that back.
		When I was a teenager, it was snowing really hard.
		And I bumped into a dog kind of slow.
		And he went yiping off into the night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a few rabbits notched on the side of my car.
		You just get those stupid things.
		They don't know which way to go.
		And you see them.
		And then they're either going to go away or right in front of you.
		And there's nothing you can do.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, so, yeah, you've never hit an animal other than that.
unidentified		Exactly.
		I started, for some reason, I hit my first bird.
		And then I hit my second bird.
		And then I hit my third bird.
		Then my fourth bird.
		Like I said, I've never hit an animal before.
		It was almost like they were getting disoriented and decided to slam into my car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Disoriented in your particular area or in an area surrounding you?
unidentified		That's the only way I could describe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, this actually didn't happen just four or five times.
unidentified		No, it happened about 34 times altogether.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		34 times over...
unidentified		next several months exactly 34 birds and you know all this stuff I would have never even told anybody anything about my sightings about the birds about anything other than the fact that there are always so many witnesses around good example with the birds of my friend my best friend and I were going to a movie and we were in a parking lot of a mall and we were doing probably about 15 miles an hour.
unidentified		Birds should be able to get out of the way when your car is going that slow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
unidentified		But for some reason, a sparrow, it was like in slow motion.
		A sparrow flew right into my car and it fell to the ground.
		My friend got out, picked it up, and it was dead.
		And that, to me, was the most ludicrous thing I'd ever experienced.
		And it just got weirder and weirder from there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, let's go back to the first sighting.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything that as you reflect on the first sighting that happened to you that you recall, other than, you know, the normal state of shock that you're in when you see something like this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Other than that, any effects on you that you can recall?
unidentified		You know, that's what everybody asks me because they correlate happening to the first sighting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Something could have, for all I know, but you don't remember.
		I don't remember anything happening at all.
		You know, I've had some weird anomalies with my car stalling for no reason, the power just suddenly sh stopping.
		Electrical power on my car just stopping.
		It happened a couple times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		During the same period?
unidentified		Yes, during the few months after the first sighting.
		You know, weird stuff like that.
		I don't have any explanation for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then after the second sighting, Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What hit you?
unidentified		After the second sighting, well, you know, after...
unidentified		That was actually the last sighting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The last sighting, all right?
unidentified		Yes, that was the last sighting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well then I'm down one whole sighting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give us the third.
unidentified		There's actually five sightings altogether.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five?
		Yes.
		So it was during the fifth sighting that you were beamed.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, let's jump to that just for the second for the sake of time here.
		Okay.
		Where, when, what?
unidentified		Well, the fifth sighting, the last sighting, was probably the biggest sighting.
		I had a couple others.
		The two other sightings before then were actually the same object.
		The third sighting was over my work.
		The second sighting was over an amateur astronomy get-together up at a place called Daniels Park.
		In fact, there's a person that you should know named Gar, who's the head of the Art Bell Chat Club, that was a witness to the fourth sighting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, at any rate, the fifth sighting.
unidentified		The fifth sighting was I had gotten home from work and I decided to go out and get gas.
		It was about, oh, I'd say maybe 8 o'clock at night.
		And I was coming home from getting gas, and I was headed south on a road that I go lots of times.
		And I, you know, there's, in the area I live in Denver, in the Denver area that I live, there's, you know, every once in a while you'll see police helicopters, and they'll spotlight you if you're driving sometimes.
		Well, I noticed the beam hit the ground right next to my car, and it kind of passed over my car, and I thought, well, gee, it's a police helicopter.
		I'll roll down the window and wave at them.
		Well, I was waving like an idiot, and I noticed, well, gee, there's no helicopter blade sounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You normally wave at police helicopters?
unidentified		Well, no, I was just being kind of funny, I guess.
		Okay.
		You know, because they spotlighted my car.
		I thought I'd wave at them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I might do it, too, actually.
unidentified		And then I noticed there was actually somebody tailgating me at the time.
		I was kind of getting a little upset.
		But then I noticed they had slammed on their brakes and had stopped dead center in the middle of the road, probably about maybe 30 yards back.
		Right.
		At this point, the thing beamed through my car, and I was going through an intersection, and then I noticed the people that were stopped waiting for their turn at the light had their heads stuck out the window, and they were looking at my van with their mouths wide open.
		And that's when it kind of dawned on me that this might not be a helicopter.
		And sure enough, I looked out my window, and there was this round, spherical, blinking object, had a really unusual, real pretty blue light on the bottom of it, just right above my car.
		And it had actually kind of moved a little ahead of my car and just started accelerating away, and I pressed on the gas and decided to follow it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chase it.
unidentified		Exactly.
		And it darted right off into a park, which is right by my house, and stopped over a very large tree.
		At that point, I carry my video camera wherever I go now.
		So I grabbed it and started filming it.
		And to my surprise, there was a picnic actually going on or a party going on in the park that evening.
		And there were a whole bunch of other people there.
		And I watched it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's, again, what crashed in on me about this videotape was that you kept the tape rolling when all these other witnesses came out going, oh my God.
		And so, you know, it was obviously this is not a cooked up inning.
		This is real as a heart attack.
		And so it's all real.
		Now, when this thing hit you with a beam, did you at that point feel any effects as it hit you?
unidentified		No, nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
unidentified		Nothing at all.
unidentified		I thought it was, you know, I thought it was a police helicopter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Except now everything has changed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Birds no longer hit your car.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With any regularity?
unidentified		No, not at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And all these other weird things, the cars, just electrical system quitting, all of that has stopped as well.
unidentified		It has stopped, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, then this was obviously a focus on you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think it was a focus on you, Stan?
unidentified		I have no idea.
		You know, a lot of people ask me that.
		You know, I'm nobody special.
		I'm not a Nobel Peace Prize winner.
		I'm just a normal guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You work?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of work do you do?
unidentified		I'm in management.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Management.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Corporate management.
unidentified		Yes, corporate management.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I've heard Stan from some people that you've been in fear for your life.
		Is that all right?
unidentified		Well, I've had a few threats and stuff like that.
unidentified		I actually had to change my phone number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you've had threats.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Death threats?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know about those.
		I've had many.
		Many, many, many, many.
		Why do you think you were getting death threats?
		I mean, when they make the threat, they must sort of drop some little something in your ear that lets you know why they're threatening you.
unidentified		Well, the first thought I have, and George Zeller knows about this, the investigator for Muhan.
		Right.
		Somebody called up and just I never heard this voice before, but they said, well, we hear you think you've seen UFOs.
		And I said, well, yeah, I mean, about a bunch of other people and a couple video cameras.
		Yeah.
		And he goes, well, if you value your existence, I would probably forget about the whole thing.
		At that point, they got pretty parate with the gentleman.
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then I'd forget about the whole thing.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The tapes shouldn't be made public and you shouldn't go talking about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's basically the gist of it.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you've made the tapes public and you're talking about it.
unidentified		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How hard did you think about all of this after a call like that before you decided to go out on ahead?
unidentified		Actually, I was pretty PO'd.
		I was more determined than ever to get this out.
		And there's a lot of unusual people out there.
		Just a lot of closed-minded people.
		And yes, I have to admit that I was one of them at one time, but now, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a religious person?
unidentified		Actually, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are?
		Yes.
		I've done shows like this now for years, Stan, and what I've noticed is there are deeply religious, well-meaning, fundamental type Christians who regard the kind of thing that you saw very seriously, but they don't think that it's what we imagine it might be.
		They think that it's that it's evil spirits.
		Real evil spirits, you know, devils plaything things type things.
		What do you think?
unidentified		I'll have to admit that there are probably a lot of people out there that are like that.
unidentified		But most of the Christians I know, at least that I know, are a little bit more open-minded than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The majority, I would say, certainly are.
		But believe me when I tell you, there's a group that fit into that category.
		That might have been the person who called you.
unidentified		That could very well be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or it could be real and known to our government, and it could be some sort of government person who called you.
unidentified		Sure.
unidentified		Well, that could be too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either way, a threat like if you, you know, care for your continued existence should be taken very seriously.
unidentified		Well, there's not much I can do about somebody on the other end of a phone.
		Yeah.
		You know, and I've gotten other threats, just minor ones.
		I decided to change my phone number and, you know, my email and stuff like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Prudence stats.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I understand you have Is that correct?
unidentified		That's correct.
unidentified		Actually, if you don't mind, I set up an email address through Yahoo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I see that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to give it out?
unidentified		Yeah, if that's okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		It's Stan S-T-A-N S at UFO at yahoo.com.
unidentified		So S-T-A-N-S-U-F-O at Yahoo.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's easy.
		StansUFO at yahoo.com.
		So anybody out there who's either seen the same thing, which is certainly possible, or something like it, can send you an email, right?
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		Now, there are lots of other witnesses, in fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, again.
		Please, because of the investigation, we're trying to be sensitive to the investigation.
		People can see the other witnesses for themselves on the videotape up there on my website right now.
		But let's not give their name.
unidentified		Yes, that's fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but what were you going to say?
unidentified		I was just going to say if they want to read some reports, they can actually go to Center.
		There's a few places they can go.
		National UFO Reporting Center, Peter Davenport has four of the witness accounts there.
		One of the witnesses, and I don't know who this person is because he wrote it anonymously, was the person in the car that watched this thing beam my car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		And that's a very scary report to read for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, seeing, reading what happened to you from another person's perspective who saw the beam hit your car.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any permanent change in you other than obviously a revision of your belief system?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, any other physical or mental change that you can see?
unidentified		Not yet that I can tell.
unidentified		Not really anything that I'd really want to talk about today, Chief Holly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, no, wait.
unidentified		There's a few unusual things, but...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you mean there isn't anything or there might be something, but you'd rather not?
unidentified		Well, there's some things that there's some changes, but they're still under investigation.
unidentified		And, you know, I wouldn't want to ruin the investigation part of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
		Okay.
		How long an investigation do they anticipate this might be?
unidentified		Well, according to George Zeiler, it should be wrapping up here pretty soon.
		They've gotten touch with a lot of the witnesses.
		I guess they found more witnesses than I even realized.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I should probably, at the conclusion of the investigation, get hold of Mr. Zeiler as well as yourself once again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And at that point, you might be able to give out what you're not able to give out now?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I would be happy to at that point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		Okay.
		Good.
		Let me just ask you straight out.
		In the totality of your experiences, there are many possibilities for what you saw.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stan, what do you think you saw?
unidentified		Well, if it is, I can't say for sure it's little green men in a spaceship because I didn't see any little green men.
		But at the same token, if our government has technology like this, we're way more advanced than I would think we would be.
		And it's hard to imagine that our government, if we did have that kind of technology, would nonchalantly and almost brazenly show this thing off in front of, I don't know how many witnesses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think, do you believe that in the cases that you saw this each time, that it wanted to be seen?
unidentified		Actually, I do, for whatever reason.
		I mean, like I said, I would have not even come out in public or even told my friends if it wasn't for the fact that each time this happened, there were not one, not two, but multiple witnesses.
		Right.
		Some of them, I mean, there are other video cameras, you know, there's more video camera footage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Other people had video cameras?
unidentified		That's correct.
		At the last sighting, especially, because it was a party, they had video cameras.
		And they took video footage of it, and they took photographic footage of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what you had was a very, very close, very personal encounter.
		Not too many people get that close.
		And so I guess it's now changed forever what you believe.
		And when you hear people tell stories like this, you don't automatically just dismiss them.
		You understand that probably only one in a thousand would have a handy video camera that they could crank out and even get what you got, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So most people would never have a camera, and we hear story after story like the one you're telling right now.
		Very credible stories.
		They just don't have the footage to back it up the way you do.
		That's the only difference.
		I assume you listen very carefully and seriously to people who tell those kinds of stories now.
unidentified		I do indeed.
		And what I also tell people, too, is, you know, these things are really out there.
		All you have to do is look up and pay attention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, people don't do that.
		They're busy in their everyday life, Stan.
		And, you know, most of everyday life is straight ahead.
		You know, it's the car in front of you, you'd rather not hit.
		Or the business in front of you or, you know, whatever it is that's in front of you.
		You would be surprised how people just don't look up.
		But, Stan, you did.
		And I want to thank you for being here, and I'm going to have you back with Mr. Zeiler when this gets wrapped up.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		You're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Stan.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go, folks.
		The video is on my website.
		Decide for yourself.
		I'm Markell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		All right, somehow my first guest, Stan Romanak, and my guest coming up, Neil Slade, know each other.
		And they share an experience now.
		Neil's had his own sighting.
		He actually had a still camera with him and got a photo.
		Neil Slade has been on the air before with me.
		He's a teacher, composer, seasoned concert performer, author, artist.
		His music has been heard by millions in the PBS documentary movie Soundtrack for Still and as music for the Kodak United States Traveling Exhibition.
		He's given hundreds of concert, radio, and TV performances and so forth and so on.
		He attended Metropolitan State College, the University of Colorado, and the University of Denver, graduated magna cum laude in 1978, certified by the state of Colorado to teach grades kindergarten through 12.
		K through 12 has taught for 23 years privately and in the public school system.
		Beyond his classroom instruction, he sought an estimated 24,000 people music and art lessons, students ages 6 through 66.
		Slade was assistant to brain and behavior researcher TBA Lingo.
		For 11 years, was at Colorado's Dormant Brain Research and Development Laboratory.
		That's an interesting title, isn't it?
		Colorado's Dormant Brain Research and Development Laboratory.
		Established by Director Lingo in 1957, the lab was established in order to develop new and effective methods of increasing intelligence, creativity, and pleasure for any individual utilizing the latest neurological information blended with a wide assortment of knowledge ranging from yoga to meditation to traditional psychotherapy.
		So this man knows a lot about our minds and what you can do with your mind that you didn't know you could do with your mind.
		And we have many, many interesting areas to explore with him tonight coming right up.
		Don't move.
		Here now is Neil Slade, who's been on the program with me any number of times in the past.
		Neil, welcome back to the show.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It's great to be back.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And I have to say I'm honored to be, I think, well, now your second guest of 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, that's true, isn't it?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		But that's good.
		2-2-2.
		a lot of twos there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Somehow you met Stan Romanak who was very impressive last hour with society.
		When did you become aware of Stan or did he become aware of you or what?
		I mean you're both in Colorado I guess so.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Actually he only lives a few miles away from me.
		Right.
		I belong to the very first Art Bell Chat group in the country.
		Which began here in Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With the late Tim Cannon.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And I read about his experiences in the newsletter.
		And I then, you know, just out of curiosity, I called him up and I said, hi, how you doing?
		I said, you know, I do art show once in a while and I'd be really interested in looking at your videos and if, you know, if it looks good, you know, maybe we can put it up on the website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I described how the video hit me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you first saw his videos, how did they hit you?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, what you're seeing on the website is the real video version, which is, I don't know, one-tenth of the frame rate that we see here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		So I saw the original video, which was very, very clear, although in that first one it's still a bit jerky.
		Right.
		However, on a TV screen, even the still images of that first video, to me, were very impressive.
		And I'm familiar with the exact area that he took the video.
		I know exactly where that is.
		It's a place called Green Mountain west of town.
		And I recognized it.
		And then when I could tell, he was pointing, you know, he could shot the scenery.
		And then he pointed up in the sky.
		And sure enough, what was that thing that was hanging in mid-air?
		And it was clear looking at it on the TV and watching the video rewound several times, this wasn't a balloon or an airplane.
		There was no explanation for that first thing.
		He also struck me as being, you know, in person, totally sincere.
		And I invited him over.
		He wasn't trying to sell me anything.
		I had just read about it in a newsletter.
		So my impression from the very start was this is a guy telling an honest story.
		Yeah, he has no ulterior motive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, no question about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What convinced me, I didn't have access to meeting him personally and all that, but at the end of the second video.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		When you get to the end of that second video, it's like you are now watching the real version of Close Encounter.
		You know that scene where everybody's waiting with lawn chairs.
		You've nailed it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've nailed it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what it is.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And here I am.
		This is it in real life.
		This is not a Stielberg production.
unidentified		That's right.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And I went, whoa, I've got to find out more about this.
		So, you know, I spent some time with Stan.
		I made an effort and I contacted five of probably what's out of 45 or 50 witnesses to the videos.
		Everyone corroborated his story to the T. Sure.
		My only, you know...
		My only doubt came when I looked at the video and I thought, well, I wonder, you know, was Stan pulling something behind his fan that he released into the air when he got to the park?
		I mean, this little evil voice inside my head.
		I said, what else could this possibly be?
		And I'm referring to the red orb, the flashing red orb.
		So I called the president of the chat club, who I've known for a couple of years.
		And I know him to be a very down-to-earth, not easily swayed, a very kind of rational, scientific thinking person.
		And I called him up and I said, Garr, now I want you to tell me.
		Now, you know, I don't know.
		Did he go into very much detail about, I think he kind of skimmed over the sighting at Daniel's Park.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		This was the, you know, you talked a lot about the third sighting.
		But the second sighting just before that was a group of people who, as a regular basis, would go out to Daniel's Park for like a cookout and get together.
		And he attended it this one week, and Garr was there from the chat club group.
		And so as Stan is pulling up in his car into the parking lot, here comes the thing above and behind Stan.
		It flies directly over everyone at the cookout within, people said, 30 feet.
		They said it lit up the entire ground below them.
		Several people got it on video besides Stan who just managed to get out of the car and shoot it as the thing's flying away and you can see the road sign in in the video.
		And I talked to Gar and I said to Garr, I says, you know, is there any possible way this was, you know, like a balloon that was lit up from the inside?
		And he says to me, he says, Neil, there is no possible way in this universe that this was a balloon.
		And he described it to me as such.
		And while he's describing it to me, a very peculiar, I would say almost telepathic image came into my head.
		And I could see this thing as he's describing it to me.
		It was very peculiar.
		But anyway, he said it was like a laser light show in the sky, as if you had laser beams projected from the inside of some sort of device that outlined this geodesic grid, that the geodesic grid itself formed the image of a sphere.
		But he said it was not a solid object.
		It was a light object in the shape of a sphere.
		And he said, and this is what clinched it.
		He said it moved perfectly horizontally over the crowd of people at the speed between A Cessna and the jet.
		Now, can you think of an internally lit balloon that would move at even the speed of a Cessna completely horizontal to the ground?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		No.
		And his description was matched by everyone else that I talked to.
		So that pretty much sealed it up.
		You can always, in this day and age, you can create all kinds of things with light imagery and video.
		But to have somebody I personally know as a sane, rational person say to me, there is no way I know what I saw.
		I know the difference between something I can't explain and some sort of man-made object.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was also some sort of personal connection, obviously, for Stan.
		It did something to him, changed him in some way, and then may have released him at the end of the fifth sighting.
		It's hard to say, but it sounds like that.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, coming from a background of brain behavior, I'm looking at all of this at a psychological and a behavioral point of view.
		And, you know, subsequently, this really meeting him really stirred up my own interest in this as well.
		And I thought, what part of Stan is responsible for the sighting?
		What kind of psychological and brain and behavior are involved with this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Or could Stan be the causative agent?
		Well, I could.
		In other words, could his brain have actually conjured this up?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that we don't know what it is, and that's possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and by the way, I get fast blast, you know, computer messages as I'm doing the show.
		And Stan and I discussed a little bit the fact that there are a lot of fundamentalists out there who view these things as evil spirits.
		Wesley in Louisville asks, I don't have any answers, but, you know, isn't it closed-minded to say UFOs equal no evil spirits?
		And I do agree with Wesley.
		It would be very closed-minded indeed, since we have no absolute proof about what they are or are not, to say they are not evil spirits.
		We don't know they aren't, do we?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		We don't know very much about them at all.
		Here is one theory I have, however, about this phenomenon and why apparently Stan has been the focus.
		And he indeed, I mean, how many people can you say have had six or seven UFO encounters of which they've been able to photograph?
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hardly anyone.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Do you count them on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the guy down in Florida, I can't remember his name.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And I'm just, from what I'm remembering, a lot of, that was very suspect.
		Yeah.
		Well, this is something that I've been looking very, very closely at this.
		I have not been able to find any holes in this whatsoever.
		But here's where I'm coming from.
		Now, one of the things I've really been investigating along with this UFO thing this past month is proof, scientific proof of paranormal abilities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
		So while doing this, I looked very much in detail at Uri Geller and a lot of the theories about what he does.
		One of the very interesting theories about Geller, and I'm going to come back to this UFO thing because it may be a very strong parallel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's talk about Geller a little bit.
		I've had him on the air here.
		He's a very interesting fellow, and we did some experiments on the air, something I rarely do, and hundreds and hundreds of people had watches start.
unidentified		Really?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Now, I did not hear but a small portion of the Geller show.
unidentified		Okay, well, that actually happened on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because I got the emails.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Very interesting.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		That's very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I don't know what I'm saying.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Here's what I'm getting at.
		One of the very interesting things about Geller that I found out was that when he is all by himself, and I mean when he's sitting in a room by himself alone, he does not manifest these abilities.
		And he knows that.
		And he's observed this himself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		He has to have someone else, at least one other person, but if there are more people, it's even better.
		In order for these abilities, he can't as much as bend a spoon when he's home alone.
		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		However, when there are people around him that are either neutral, in other words, they don't believe or not believe, they're open to it, but it's like they're not convinced.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		If they're neutral or if they believe that this is a possibility, he can then manifest the telekinetic energy and do the spoon bending and the watch bending and the metal bending.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what does that say to you?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, one of the theories is that he is a converter of psychic energy, of which he absorbs from around him, like a magnifying glass, right?
		A magnifying glass doesn't really burn up stuff.
		All it does is it takes the energy, the light energy, say, from the sun, and focuses it, and then it does the work.
		Without the sun energy, the magnifying glass can't do anything.
		Right?
		So one of the theories is that Geller is a converter.
		He takes the psychic energy of the people around him, then converts it into the demonstratable energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That makes him a conduit then.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		A conduit.
		It also is a good explanation of why when he is surrounded by skeptics or people with negative, oh, prove it to me.
		You can't do that.
unidentified		Yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		He can't manifest the energy.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		One of the very common, you know, we'll get into this later, but I spent some time at the James Randy website and on their bulletin boards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the first, oh, How much time did you waste?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I spent quite a bit, and we'll go into this because it was a very interesting experience.
		And I also had direct contact with the amazing James Randy himself.
		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you mention my name?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm sorry.
unidentified		You didn't mention my name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a good thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It wouldn't have gotten you anywhere.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was shocked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The full and amazing Randy will not come on my program.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		He won't come on.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I was wondering about that.
unidentified		No, he won't come on.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, he, you know, I was shocked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He makes snide remarks all the time.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I was absolutely shocked by the responses that I got from him because I know better.
		But we'll talk about that later.
		But anyway, one of the very common things that comes up is, well, you know, Geller had his chance on Johnny Carson.
		And he appeared on the Johnny Carson show.
		And Carson was a skeptic, and Randy was on the show, and he was a skeptic, and they were all trying to prove that he was a fake.
		And this was one, and Geller very willingly went on the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Randy radiates negative energy.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And so this is what Geller transmuted.
		The negative can't.
		He couldn't do anything when they said, okay, bend the spoon.
		And it was very frustrating for Geller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, look, under the circumstances, and in view of who was there, it's a good thing a war didn't start in the Middle East, you know, while he was trying to bend a spoon.
		Can you hold on during the break?
		All right, good.
		Neil Slade is my guest.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		We're going to be exploring all kinds of things about the brain tonight.
		The guest is Neil Slade.
		Now, we're going to talk a little bit more about UFOs, but we're also going to talk about the brain.
		We're going to talk about the spirit, the soul, and all the recent news on near-death, including the interview I did with Pam, the Lancet article, and all of this other breaking news.
		This breaking news about the fact that apparently, when it's over, it's not over.
		You know, it occurs to me somewhat interesting that the somewhat less than amazing Randy is willing to go on programs where he's got lots of company in the skeptic, doubting, let's make fun of it category, and not so willing to go on a program like this one where we have people of an opposite nature.
		Now, perhaps that has something to do with what Neil Slade is telling us about the ability of somebody to conduit something when there are those who believe that it might be possible in the room versus the other way around.
		Maybe that explains why Randy isn't too anxious to get over here on this program.
		What do you think?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think that that's certainly part of it.
		Undoubtedly.
		I mean, there is a mental energy field that surrounds a person and groups of people.
		It's cosmic intelligence.
		It's the stuff that...
		Yes, well, this is true.
		Well, of course, if you were a friend of Randy, you know, your perception would be the opposite, that he is the guardian of truth in the American way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The angel of skepticism.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		No, I. I had a, well, I won't say the word, I guess.
		I better not.
		I had my own little phrase that I come up with after dealing with a large number of these on the discussion board, but I'll keep that to myself.
		Anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't take yourself to their level.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what they do.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		But anyway, so with Geller, there seems to be this very good possibility of him being a conduit or one that collects the energy around him, focuses it, and then demonstrates the principles.
		Now, I don't know if Stan mentioned this or not.
		His very good friend, Mark, was involved with the Art Belt group for many years, I believe.
		But Mark heads up a local UFO enthusiast group.
		This is a group that gets together and looks at UFO videos and talks about UFO experiences.
		The majority of the people in that group, and I did go to one meeting after meeting Stan and all this stuff, have not had the personal encounters.
		But they're very open and very enthusiastic about this, contrary to Stan prior to his first sighting.
		In other words, Stan was, as he mentioned, totally skeptical.
		Even though he had this friend, you know how sometimes you have a friend that is into something that you're not into, but you tolerate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got to talk about it all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You go, yeah, yeah.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
		Okay?
		So there was this UFO interest indirectly near Stan, but Stan had this personal non-interest in it.
		He was a passive, his interest was totally passive.
		Okay?
		It was he just noticed it and didn't invest any either psychic energy or emotional energy in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
		Now, one thing I've noticed when going through the scientific data in regards to paranormal healing abilities and proof and biofeedback, one of the key elements for manifesting positive Results, say in biofeedback.
		If you're hooked up to a biofeedback machine and you're trying to affect it and raise the temperature, the harder you try, the worse it works.
		And when you employ what I call effortless effort, then nature takes over and the results that you're looking for work.
		But if you lose your cool, right, and you start trying hard, it puts a damper on everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
		This is a very well-known principle in biofeedback.
		Now, in my own brain research and studies, I've noticed exactly the same thing in regards to the manifestation of paranormal abilities in ordinary people.
		For example, telepathy, precognition, even examples of telekinesis.
		If you keep your amygdala clicked forward, which some of your listeners are familiar with by this time, if you're doing the right kind of brain self-control, right, and you relax, all of these paranormal abilities spontaneously happen without you trying to make them happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The only paranormal experiences I've ever had are when I wasn't even expecting them nor trying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is exactly correct.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I have sat here in previous programs that we've done, and I've tried telekinesis really hard.
		In fact, I put a pen and stood a pen on my desk straight up vertically.
		And I sat here, Neil, so hard, scrunching my face up in concentration, so hard, trying to put a push on the top of that pen, just enough to tip that pen over on my desk.
		Scrunching my face so hard you'd think I was sitting on the can, you know, trying to get something done.
		And it didn't budge.
		I mean, it just didn't budge.
		But maybe there's another approach, the one you're talking about.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is absolutely the case.
		And, you know, after, you know, for decades of looking into this kind of phenomenon, that's rule number one.
		Don't try too hard.
		So when I look at Stan's case, and even in the follow-up experience that I had, because I had my own UFO sighting shortly after meeting Stan.
		And I got the picture of it.
		Although it's not as impressive as his, it's still a photo.
		And we'll talk about that in a minute.
		But the one thing I learned is that if you just let things happen, and people always say, well, how can I turn on this paranormal ability and this by using my brain and stuff?
		I said, you know, I always say, don't worry so much about it.
		Just stay clicked into the frontal lobe processes and relax and keep tickling the amygdala.
		You're not trying to do something in your brain with a sledgehammer.
		You're just using a little feather.
		Then all that paranormal stuff will happen.
		Well, so when I look at Stan, I see he's got this field around him.
		A friend of a friend, his friend, they're all dying.
		I mean, they're dying to see a UFO, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are the people who, like in the movie, rushed up to the top of the building with the welcome to earth, you know, group chiefs, and they got zapped, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be that group.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, I'm not putting them down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		You can be wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, but they're trying so hard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're the enthusiasts.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		But who sees the UFO?
		The one guy who's just removed, who doesn't care one way or the other.
		In fact, it's kind of skeptical of it.
		He's driving down the street, and this thing is 50 feet away from him, and he gets it on videotape.
		Right?
		And then it happens again and again and again.
		And when I talked to him about it, he said, you know, this is getting scary even.
		I don't necessarily want to see these things.
		Right.
		But I am seeing them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So obviously you're leading toward thinking that Stan is a conduit.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		He's in the same way that Geller is.
		He's an uninterested party of which the energy is now focusing through him.
		And, you know, it's just interesting.
		Now, one of the things that I deal with a lot on my site is I make a fair number of claims saying that if you tap into your brain potential, you can do all kinds of marvelous things if you do it the right way.
		And on one page I say, you know, if you're going to contact aliens and see UFOs, you're going to have to learn how to turn on your frontal lobes to do it.
		I said, "If you can click your amygdala forward and click on your frontal lobes, then you'll Let's give everybody the 101 on the amygdala.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The amygdala is on either side of your head.
		It's on either side of your brain, meaning either side of your head.
		Sort of it's the frontal lobe region, that area we believe responsible for higher thought processes or brain function, right?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		The frontal lobe is the one-third front part of your brain.
		It's the most advanced part of your brain, and it's the biggest part of your brain.
		If you hold your forehead with your hand, everybody in the audience, just put your hand over your forehead.
		Everything under your outstretched fingers is your frontal lobe.
		And that's the evolutionarily most advanced part of the brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you are saying that you can use a mental technique to get your brain going in that area, really supercharge your brain, so to speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is, describe, please, how one thinks of and then clicks forward mentally this area to get this going.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		You know, there's the saying that we only use 10% of our brain.
		What really, I mean, in a way, that's true, but what's really most accurate is we only use a very small, infinitesimally small percentage of the potential of our brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, is it proven by the fact that they can operate on people removing over half the brain, and the person seems just spitty?
		I mean, no real change, personality intact, the whole thing.
		Half the brain gone.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the hemispherectomy is now a regularly performed operation used to control epilepsy and other things in which they actually remove one complete hemisphere of the cortex.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or in other words, bad part of the brain, no problem, cut it out.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Cut it out.
		Well, it prevents the epilepsy is kind of like a discharge of current back and forth between the hemispheres, uncontrolled.
		And by removing the one hemisphere, it stops this back and forth ping-pong.
		Right.
		So it cures it.
		So that's one thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We understand so damn little about our brains.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, you know, there have been cases where people suffer from the filling of fluid inside the brain that the acidic cerebral spinal fluid actually eats away until there's nothing left of the cortex but a one-sixth of an inch layer on the inside of the skull.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And if you could literally shine a flashlight through people's heads.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you serious?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can shine a flashlight?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		You could literally shine a flashlight through because there's nothing but fluid and this very thin layer of cortex around the rim.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a little macabre, but I'd actually like to see that.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And well, and people continue, you know, to function with that particular condition.
		All of the gray matter, nearly all of the gray matter and the white matter gone.
		The core brain is still there, but we're talking about 90% of the brain.
		Right.
		But functioning just as before.
		So, yes, we are, the potential of the brain is infinite, and we're only using an infinitely small percentage of that.
		So one way of looking at things in the brain is to say, okay, we can turn on more of that potential, specifically in the frontal lobes, which is the part of the brain that computes cooperative behavior, imaginative behavior, creative behavior, intuition and logic.
		Now, right in the middle of the brain, there's an organ called the amygdala, and we focus, we visualize on that.
		And the amygdala is a little walnut-shaped part of the brain.
		It's about the size of the tip of your thumb.
		And it's located about one inch inside each temple.
		You've got one amygdala for your left hemisphere and one amygdala for your right hemisphere.
		The amygdala is a gateway of the brain.
		It's connected to the frontal lobes and it's connected to the more primitive parts of the brain.
		Now when you wake up in the morning, your reptile brain turns on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And you're suddenly conscious and awake.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		When you go to sleep at night, there's a little part in the brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My reptile brain does not yield forward progress until after at least two cups of coffee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm a reptile through two cups of coffee easily.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think I would belong to that club as well.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		You know, you get up and you go into the bathroom and then you go straight for the coffee machine, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then slowly the higher functions begin.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but the energy starts to surge into the more creative parts of the brain.
		Yes, I think that's true of many of us.
		But we found, and I say we in referring to the dormant brain research and development laboratory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, dormants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The word dormant, I've been wondering about that.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, if you're only using 10% of your brain, you have 90% dormant brain, don't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you were researching the 90% that doesn't seem to be getting used.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And how to turn on that area.
		The area.
		And that's what T. D. Lingo's research was about for 35 years, starting in 1957.
		Right.
		Anyway, so one of the most effective methods that we learned for jump-starting this creative, intelligent part of the brain was to visualize this amygdala switch, one inch inside each temple.
		And you visualize it like it's the light switch on your wall.
		When it's clicked down and backwards, all the energy is stuck in the primitive part of your brain, at the base of your brain, at what's called the R complex.
		The famous joke, okay, the reptile core of the brain that we're talking about computes the four F's of human behavior.
		Feeding, fighting, fleeing, and reproduction.
		That's all that our reptile brain does.
		So if your amygdala is clicked backwards, that's all you're computing, is this reptile reactive behavior.
		You know, drink water, fight with spouse, go to work, fight in traffic jam.
		No.
		Look at your day and think about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That represents most of a person's day.
unidentified		You're absolutely right.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, ultimately, you know, you get 6 billion, seven people doing this across the world.
		You get 6 people, billion that are all clicked into reptile brain, and then it manifests itself as pollution, and it manifests itself as wars, and it manifests itself, I would say, as in bad weather, you know, and all kinds of things because it's just this negative, bleak, unproductive, uncreative energy.
		So the idea is now is to get people to start turning on more of that 90% dormancy.
		So maybe it's only 85% dormant and 80%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, I was right then.
		Randy does cause wars.
		And lots of Randy's out there all together causing these negative things to happen.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It's the accumulation of stupidity.
		So when you just get people another 1% smarter, who knows what will turn around, okay?
		So anyway, you've got this amygdala switch.
		we can do this right now.
		It'll take all of 30 seconds to get people to click their amygdala forward.
		Sit so you're comfortable.
		Close your eyes.
		Imagine that you have an amygdala light switch.
		Just pretend it's just like the little switch on your wall, one inch inside the right temple and the left temple.
		Okay?
		You know, maybe imagine that it's a little almond.
		Okay, amygdala comes from the Greek word meaning almond.
		So you've got one in the one.
		Now pretend you have a feather and you're holding a feather and you can magically reach in through the front of your cranium and tickle that little amygdala almond with the tip of the feather and just very gently go tickle, tickle, tickle on the left front amygdala and then reach over with the feather and tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle the front of the right amygdala.
		And as you do that, that will automatically cause that little click switch to go click.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really does work.
		I really can feel it.
		Every time you and I have done this on the air, I have, of course, followed along, and by God, it works.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just heard you laugh, you know, and laughter is an indicator of frontal lobes processes.
		Humor is in the frontal lobes.
		And imagination, just the mere fact that you're imaging, imagining a feather, requires you to turn on more frontal lobes power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been able to feel it every time you've led me through it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every time.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		You know, I got such an astounding letter from, you know, and from people who have no vested interest in this work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, who just sort of followed along like I just did and felt the same thing.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, it always blows me away because here's a letter I got from Kate.
unidentified		Hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
		We'll do the letter after break is coming up.
		We have to do these.
		I'm our belt.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Once again, the very fascinating Neil Slade.
		Neil, you were about to read a letter or something.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, all getting around to my UFO experience, ultimately, and the conversations with Randy.
		Finally been, yes.
		But anyway, you know, I say a lot of things on the website about brain self-control, and that's what I teach.
		That's what the books and the music and the website's all about.
		How people can gain control over their own brain and behavior so that life works.
		And I couldn't keep doing it unless I didn't constantly, unless I was getting reinforcing encouragement from people who were giving me evidence that this in fact was possible and that they were doing it.
		So tonight, for example, here's a letter from Katie, age 17, who I have never met.
		I'm not paying her to write me this.
		You know, why on earth would she write this unless she had an experience?
		She wrote to me, she says, your page opened the doors to the hidden ecstasy that was in prison for all these years.
		All my life, and even in my childhood, I was mostly exposed to the evils of other people in this world.
		Things seemed dark and dreary all my life, and whenever I would make a mistake, I beat myself up for it.
		Last year, I had a near breakup with my friend, and it hurt me pretty bad.
		And this past summer, I was put under much stress, and I was mentally damaged because of it until now.
		When I clicked forward, a wonderful feeling rushed over me like rapids of light and warmth.
		I began to laugh non-stop for about five to ten minutes.
		I felt so full of light, I just wanted to hug everyone.
		It's how my friend once described being on the ecstasy drug, times one million.
		I'm still feeling it now.
		It is so overwhelming.
		Sometimes I want to break down and cry.
		It's so beautiful.
		Thank you so much for getting this info out.
		It helped so many people and it helped me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, it works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It works.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And I think the thing that makes a difference is that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you take me through it and you take everybody through it, it really works.
		I really feel it.
		But it doesn't last for me.
		It's like a little tickle does you and then unless you do it, you can repeatedly do it, but it's not a lasting, it's not like the switch stays forward for 24 hours.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
		There's a big, wide variance in the responses that people come, that I've come to observe.
		Some people, they're sort of like on the cusp of a big change.
		And if you just tell them where to focus their concentration, it's like the straw that breaks the camel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Other people, well, you know, they're in a different place.
		They may either be very comfortable where they're at.
		So relatively speaking, there's not that big of a change to make between being, say, as this girl was, very upset, right, and finding that place.
		Just the relief of that may have made a huge difference to her emotional state.
		Whereas, you know, if you're comfortable and things are going pretty good and you click, you know, the changes are going to be more subtle and they're going to be accumulative.
		So you can expect a very wide variation.
		Another thing, also, when you start to deal with brain self-control, is that there's many subconscious and unconscious elements at work.
		And I, for example, when I first started working at the brain lab, it took me a long period of time to discover and remove the unconscious blockages, the repressed traumatic memories that were blocking this energy from going forward.
		This one young girl, for example, may have had very few blockages on an unconscious level, and so for her, when she focused the energy on the specific points of the brain, she was able to just kind of fully flow into it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Neil, scientists have studied yogis, as you know, Who can control their heart rate?
		They can control all kinds of really interesting, previously thought to be uncontrollable things with their brains.
		Well documented, right?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Mind-blowing what I came across.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		So we could do it too.
		There's no reason why the average person using your techniques cannot do this, right?
		They can.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		That's one common thread that I found.
		And this past month I've investigated a couple of people in particular.
		One is a fellow named Swami Rama, who I brought up briefly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Swami Rama.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Swami Rama of the Himalayas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Another person is Jack Shorts.
		One of the first people to begin investigating these people is a fellow named Elmer Green.
		And I think it might be good to, if we're going to get into that, maybe give a little background about who and what Elmer Green was all about.
		The reason, and I can easily tie this into our previous discussion, as we mentioned, I had been to the amazing Randy website.
		And in fact, there was a thread then going that an anonymous email alerted me to, in which people were talking about my website.
		And people were saying things like, oh, Neil Slade is the most deluded person on the internet.
		And they brought up the issue of cloud busting.
		And they brought up the issue of the UFO stories that I was reporting on the website and the paranormal, tapping into the paranormal things and making that happen.
		So I had some discussion with these people.
		And what really got me going was, you know, I would bring up an issue of, well, haven't you heard about this particular thing?
		Or haven't you heard about this particular proof?
		And most of it was, it was just off the cuff dismissed because the people whom we're being critical really didn't have the facts.
		So immediately afterwards, I said, okay, I'm going to get some very specific references, scientific proof of things like telekinesis, of instantaneous healing, of control of blood, heart rate, of telepathy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you want Randy's million?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, if Randy was really serious about that, he should have given away this million 30 years ago from the data that I've uncovered.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		There have been proofs, and I mean scientific laboratory proofs of exactly the kind of paranormal things he so commonly dismisses for decades.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just before we proceed, I was asking you about the yogis, and then I really did want to ask you about everything you're telling us.
		Have you had the opportunity to have anybody in some sort of brain scan or MRI or some scientific, hard scientific evidence of brain function actually beginning or increasing in a certain area of the brain with your techniques?
		Have you good scientific evidence of that sort?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Much of what I talk about is already supported by the Foundation findings.
		Although what sounds to many people as outrageous claims in terms of increasing blood flow in certain areas of the brain, most of this is already, a lot of this is already documented.
		In terms of amygdala clicking, causing...
		Oh, you can just go into any medical library and you will find evidence in terms of what parts of the brain does what, what kind of effects are happen when a person does biofeedback or meditation or imagery.
		So there's a lot of data that points to what I'm talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what about amygdala clicking and actual proof of a frontal lobe increased activity?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		What I have at this point is the subjective data that comes from T.D. Lingo's research and his what he called longitudinal studies.
		These didn't involve PET scans or functional MRIs, that kind of thing, or EEGs.
		What I'm hoping for is over the next two years, there is a physician in Dayton, Ohio who is interested in exactly this type of documentation.
		So we're hoping in the next couple years that we can actually have exactly that kind of proof that you're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it takes money.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It takes a lot of money.
		Yes.
		And so not at that particular point yet, but all of the subjective data, all of the feedback, all of the research that LINGO did for many years, it all points to that, yes, something is definitely happening here,
		and it is certainly within the realm of possibility that we will be able to trace, we will be able to link the imaging of the imagery type of amygdala exercises with exactly the type of increase in blood flow to the frontal lobes and the decrease in the fight-or-flight types of responses.
		But every indicator that we have subjectively points to that at this point anyway.
		And just the basic tenets of neuroanatomy say that this is certainly possible, if not extremely likely, and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to talk for a second about the nature of the brain, if you wouldn't mind.
		It's going to get off on sort of a limb here, but I've had a really profound experience recently, Neil.
		Really, really profound.
		Maybe you heard it.
		You know, I know you listen to the show sometimes.
		Did you hear the show with Pam?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		Then, here you go.
		Okay.
		Pam was on 48 hours, but they never had enough time to tell the story properly there.
		But basically, in a nutshell, Pam had a brain aneurysm, a little bulb ready to break and kill her in her brain.
		And the only way that they could help her, otherwise it was a decent.
		So it was a last-ditch effort.
		They lowered her body temperature, I don't know, down in the 40s, and took all the blood out of her body.
		Yeah, all the blood out of her body.
		Her heart stopped.
		And the EEG ceased, Neil, for one hour, for almost a full linear hour.
		No brain waves, no life.
		Anne was DEAD dead.
		Dead, dead, dead.
		By any measure, anybody would have declared her long since dead.
		They went into her brain.
		They clipped the aneurysm because, of course, with no blood in the body, it deflated like a deflated balloon.
		And they just clipped it and sewed it up and sewed her back up, put the blood back in, put the paddles on her heart, and kick-started her heart, and she came back.
		Now, she was able during this period of time, Neil, to describe everything that went on in the operating room.
		Her doctor will verify this.
		She saw all that went on during that hour, could account for the full linear hour.
		And believe me, she was not just out, she was dead.
		Now, she saw all of that, and she had a near-death experience on top of that.
		And that was profound for me.
		This interview was really, really profound because it means there is something separate from neural function.
		Obviously, some sort of consciousness that has to be separate from neural function as we've been discussing it tonight.
		And I wonder if you have any thoughts on that.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		And this was one of the things that I looked into with my investigation into Swami Rama.
		Okay.
		He said a very interesting thing, and this was in regards to the experiments that he did testing his brain waves.
		He was able to control his brain waves at will.
		He could produce beta.
		Well, we all produce beta just walking around.
		He could produce beta, alpha, theta, and delta at the drop of a pin.
		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And one of the things that he did was he demonstrated deep theta and delta and went to sleep in the laboratory on purpose.
		And it was part of the experiment where he proved that he had total control over sleep.
		And so he said, okay, I'm going to go to sleep for 25 minutes and then wake up at exactly the end of 25 minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they verified.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And they had him wired up the whole time.
		And he's snoring while he's doing this.
		So while he's snoring and they're looking at the machine showing that the guy's out like a light, they're all talking about this and that and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
		He wakes up and he told them exactly what everyone in the room was talking about.
		The entire time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's exactly, well, not exactly, but obviously related to what I'm talking about.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Very related.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Swami Raw, and he was trying to, he did so many things, and we could, you know, we could spend hours literally talking about this long series of experiments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had Michio Kaku on, you know, the theoretical physicist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brilliant guy, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I told him the same story about Pam I told you, and he could only offer up, well, there must have been some unmeasurable amount of brain activity somehow going on somewhere in there.
		They just didn't have instruments sensitive enough to measure it.
		That was all he could say.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		That's funny.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Swami Rama said, he said, all of the body is in the mind, but not all of the mind is in the body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did he really say that?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
		That's a quote.
		You can quote Swami Rama on that.
		And he went into detail as he's doing all these brain-mind-body manipulations trying to explain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, hold on.
		We're at a breakpoint.
		So there is something separate, folks.
unidentified		So there is something separate, folks.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you try what Neil suggested, you actually do the little tickle and click the amygdala forward, you really will feel it.
		That part really does happen.
		And it affects almost everybody to varying degrees from just a little, oh, oh, wow, kind of thing to, well, the other end of the spectrum of effects actually is pretty interesting, something I'm sure we'll talk about as time goes on here.
		Anyway, stay right where you are, and in a moment, we will continue to explore the separation of what seems to be, was called by people, the spirit of the soul and the mind, or the brain.
		Stay right there.
		This regard to the Swami Rama and others like him.
		Now, again, I know yogis and others can do amazing things like I guess Swami Rama can.
		But these appear to be functions or abilities of a living human brain, one in which there is brain function occurring.
		Now, what I discussed when I discussed Pam and others like her, in fact, there's an article in The Lancet that we've gone over rather extensively on the show that backs up a lot of this, an awful lot of it.
		This seems to be separate from normal brain function, at least insofar as science is able to detect it.
		And so is there indeed, in your opinion, something that is separate from the brain that may encapsulate our consciousness?
		I mean, how else do you explain this?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		That's my feeling.
		And if anything, after looking at all of the just astonishing feats and the scientific laboratory examination of the feats of Swami Rama, he says,
		and if anyone knows, I would imagine a guy who can stop his heart and describe conversations while he is wired up to an EEG machine showing that he is unconscious and who can move needles with his mind.
		If anybody knows, this guy knows.
		And he says, yes, there is a mind separate from the body and brain.
		So, you know, until I come up with better proof, you know, you know, I would tend to, you know, I would tend to believe someone like this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the proof part is closing in.
		Have you become aware of the Lancet article?
		It's going all over the place now.
		The one that you were just talking about.
		The Lancet is a very well-respected medical journal in Britain.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		No, but I'm writing it down, so I'm definitely going to check it out.
		What's probably, you know, I think, and I thought about this the other day, how would a person such as you or I know this for fact or experience?
		And I think it would take an awful lot of deprivation of sensory information, something similar to the John Lilly's tanks that he used to sit in for days at a time, in which he shut off all of the sensory information to his brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that very dangerous or it could be very dangerous?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not recommending it.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying this may be the only possible way for someone to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you do that, may I ask a question about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Since you've done research in this area, when you go into, and I have considered myself trying a sensory deprivation chamber.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I have done that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have done it.
		Well, I would be really interested.
		What happens to you?
		What happens to the brain?
		What begins to occur as the hours of absolute zero continue?
		What does the brain begin to do?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		You begin to experience a substitute world, not much different from the dream world that you experience.
		The brain begins to resonate upon itself.
		The brain craves some sort of stimulation.
		And if it doesn't come from without, from the ears and eyes and skin, then it comes from within.
		Now, Swami Rama, for example, as part of his training as a yogi, what his discipline requires is that they do exactly that.
		They isolate themselves for a long period of time in which they do not have any contact with other people.
		Food, in his case, he spent 11 months in a cave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a cave.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		In a cave.
		And I mean this in a literal sense.
		In his discipline, he went off, spent 11, and I have the date.
		I even have the dates here somewhere.
		Let's see.
		So people don't think I'm making this up.
		Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.
		When he was 24 years, he became, there's a sort of position in South India.
		He, let's see, he became Shakarachara of Kava, I can say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he did this in India.
unidentified		He did this.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		In India?
		Yes.
		Okay, this was in 1952.
		He returned to the Himalayas to intensify his meditative practices in the monasteries.
		In the Swamiji's, and they're talking about Swami Rama tradition, and I'm reading from his biography here, is required that the student spend a certain amount of time in isolation in a cave.
		He lived for 11 months in a very small cave without seeing another person or coming out of the cave.
		Food was left outside the cave, and cleansing of the body was done through vigorous pranayama practices, which I know personally to be breathing exercises.
		Only a tiny point of light came through a hole in the ceiling of the cave.
		So he did exactly this.
		They don't have the float chambers in India.
		They have caves.
		And through this period of see things sitting in a dark cave.
		Sure.
		I am familiar with some retreats that are done in Japan in which people fast and spend very long periods of time in meditation.
		And when you do that and are in isolation and all the senses are turned off, then you start getting input of various kinds from within the brain.
		Now one of the people very heavily involved with bringing Swami Rama to the United States was a Dr. Elmer Green of the Menger Foundation in Topeka, Kansas.
		This was a research laboratory that was set up to investigate mind-body control.
		And one of the experiments that they did, and this went on for a very long period there, was brainwave training, in which subjects were wired up to a feedback machine, which indicated to them what level brain waves they were experiencing.
		And in this particular experiment, they were learning how to produce theta waves.
		Now theta waves are slower than both beta and alpha waves and are related to that condition just as you're falling asleep or just as you're coming out of dream state in the morning.
		In our brain lab, we call this morning pre-consciousness.
		And it's sort of a half-alert, you know, half-asleep state where you see images and we've associated that with some elements of ESP and telepathy and precognition.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the subjective feedback we got, when people had in which all kinds of strange things can occur.
unidentified		Yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And so when people deliberately put themselves into this theta type of state, which is conducive to the ESP type of information, they were able to, you know, they got all kinds of tales of ESP types of experiences that happened in the laboratory.
		For example, one thing that they tried to do was to get people to, as soon as they were falling into the theta state, okay, and this is the theta state again is where all the outside sensory information is turned off.
		Okay?
		And you begin seeing what they called hypnagogic images, images that were coming from the unconscious mind.
		And as soon as people slipped into the state, the researcher would sort of jolt the person out of the state and say, what are you seeing now?
		What have you just seen?
		For example, one person was asked that question.
		And he said, well, I just saw a tall man with dark hair and horned-rimmed glasses.
		This was the response of the subject who had just slipped into the theta state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but that's one subject.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many reports similar by percentage in that state report similar occurrences?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		As compared to...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A sample.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you monitor 100 people who reach that state and are then interrupted by the researcher, how many report similar things?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was incidences of the ESP or telepathy, which was noted by the researchers in connection with the theta state, which they did not see in the beta state or the alpha state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, and what percentage of them reported this?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I don't have a percentage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It reached that state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I was asking.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean how many of the people trying to reach the state, the data state, were able to do it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many who reached the state reported such an instance?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I don't have a percentage on that.
		The finding or the observation...
		It was, well, the percentage of people reporting the paranormal or telepathic types of messages was virtually zero in the people in the beta or the alpha wave states.
		And those states being different from theta is that they're a much more conscious type of state where you're aware of the surroundings and you're aware of yourself.
		As you slip into the theta, the boundaries of the ego disappear and the sensory information becomes irrelevant.
		You're not even aware of the environment.
		You've turned in.
		And when that happens, when you've turned off the outside, then the inside information becomes most important.
		And that's when they started noticing, incidentally, that the subject was talking about stuff he shouldn't have known about, such as the tall man with the hornroom glasses, who just walked into the control room completely unknown by the subject, who was in a totally different room.
		Or another example of this might have been in this particular study that I read.
		The subject was in theta and they said, what do you see?
		And the subject said, well, I see a plant falling over a wall.
		And moments later, one of the texts comes back in and said, so-and-so upstairs on the third floor just dropped a plant over the wall in the so they were getting all of this extrasensory information and it was occurring in the theta state, this internalized state.
		Now one thing that I came upon which was very interesting and let's see this is from the Albert Roy Davis Research Laboratory and they talked about investigations towards the proof that the brain functions and emits frequencies much higher than those generally adopted.
		And I know you and I have talked about, well, you know, how does telepathy work?
		How does information get from one part of the country to another part or from two different floors, you know, like in this experiment that we're just talking about?
		How does that work?
		Beta, alpha, theta, and delta are all 1 to 50 cycles per second brain wave frequencies.
		If you look at an oscilloscope, for people who don't know what we're talking about, brain waves are measured in pulses like the frequencies of a violin string.
		So when you're in, for example, delta, you know, your brain waves are very slow.
		They're moving in maybe five cycles per second.
		Whereas if you're in beta or alpha, they're more in the 30, 40, 50 cycle per second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is why biowarfare people have experimented heavily and are experimenting heavily with generations of these frequencies aimed at biological entities in various ways and means.
		And they're using them as potential weapons.
		Do you know about that?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And you're talking about HARP?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, HAARP is just one example.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're investigating all kinds of what they call non-lethal weapons which transmit those frequencies and affect a person's ability to mentally function.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, you know, the one thing this particular Davis laboratory was finding, and they were talking about, well, you know, how is that even possible?
		And what they found was that when you're talking about the regular brainwave cycles, the 1 to 50, you can't transmit data very far.
		You know, it's like a 1 to 50, you can go about 200 feet and it's dead.
		However, once you start stepping up the frequencies, okay, and they were talking about millions of cycles per second, you can then decrease the wattage and the frequency will then go much further.
		So one of the experiments they did is they established radio communications in Baltimore, Maryland, and I believe they are in California.
		So they told them they were going to switch from their 50-watt, they were going to switch their 50-watt transmitter to one-fourth of the wattage and then broadcast at 28 million cycles per second to see if they could see, receive the mini signal.
		Oh, they're in Florida.
		They're in Orange Park, Florida.
		Okay?
		So they previously attempted using the 1 to 50 to 500 cycles per second and they could only send the signal like 200 feet.
		When they stepped it up to 28 million cycles per second, Baltimore said, yes, we receive your signal loud and clear using 1 fourth the power.
		And then they tried it again using 1 tenth of the power, 1 tenth of a watt, and it was received when they went to 7 million cycles per second.
		So what they were theorizing is that the telepathic, paranormal, precognitive types of things that the brain may very well be operating at,
		those types of cycles are not perceived by today's, or are not looked at by today's brain measuring devices, but in fact the brain may very well be receiving and sending signals at this very high amount of cycles per second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That could easily, easily be true.
		Hold on right where you are.
		We'll be right back.
		But fun to have her on.
		Anyway, right now we're talking about the brain, and I am also particularly interested in sensory deprivation.
		I really am quite tempted to give it a try.
		I would imagine that is exactly how yogis perfect what they do, because if you were deprived of all your senses and all input, you would have no choice but to turn inward.
		And as you did, you would probably try to connect the brain and the body.
		And you would begin to attempt to do things.
		You would internalize everything and begin to do things with your brain, with all you had available to you.
		And that would be whatever senses were left within the body itself.
		And so I can see that you would mentally go to work on that.
		I can see how that would work and why people who are able to do those things develop them in sensory deprivation.
		I would like to give it a try.
		Now, I think for some people it would be very dangerous, but if you went into it with a willing understanding of what you were attempting to do, it would probably be all right.
		I certainly wouldn't recommend it for anybody.
		Anyway, we're going to open up the phone lines.
		If you have questions about some of the things we've been discussing with Neil Slade, it would be a good time to call because we're going to open her up here in a moment.
		Cutting right to the chase here, Neil, do you think it possible that somebody could, in a group of people, for example, virtually conjure up a UFO?
		Is that a yes or no?
unidentified		Yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		No is my experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought you were going to say that.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Back to, you know, again, after being poked fun at by Randy's group, I said, okay, you know, I say you can see these things and make alien contact if you turn on your frontal.
		I'm going to do it.
		Stand in it?
		I'm going to do it.
		Okay?
		So it took me eight weeks.
		And the way I, you know, I did it on a couple of different levels.
		I did it visually using visualization, which is a function of the frontal lobes.
		Every day I said to myself, and I visualized with imagery seeing an object in the sky that was not a plane, that was not a balloon, that was not a bird.
		I went through all kinds of different scenarios, and I'd be taking my dogs for a walk, and I would visualize an object.
		The second thing I did, and I think this was pretty important, is I carried a camera around with me.
		If I walked outside my front door, I made sure I had a camera in my pocket.
		Either a video camera or a still camera.
		And I had a video camera that I stuck under my car seat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, it was part of the experiment.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It was part of the experiment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were waiting for this experiment.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I was waiting, and, you know, I was kind of trying hard.
		You know, I mean, I was looking up.
		You know, most people, if they were to count up the amount of time they spend looking actually up into the sky, it probably wouldn't amount to one minute a week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		But every time I went outside, I was looking up.
		And Stan said to me, he says, they're up there.
		They're all over the place.
		You know, this is his feeling now, of course, that you'd seen them so many times.
		He says, just look up.
		So I made a real effort.
		And so I was focusing, deliberately focusing my consciousness up there.
		As it turns out, one day when it wasn't predominant in my mind, of course, right, when I wasn't trying hard.
		In fact, I didn't even have, you know, I've got these video cameras with these huge zoom lenses on them.
		You know, 200-power zoom.
		You know, you could count the wings on a dragonfly a mile away with these cameras.
		All I had with me on this one day was my little tiny Fuji, you know, three times zoom still camera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
		So, you know, it wasn't the most foremost thing in my mind, and I put the dogs in the car, and I was going to drive a couple miles down the road to the cemetery where I take them for a walk regularly.
		And as I'm driving down Harrison Street, where, incidentally, a year ago, I had a dream of seeing a UFO on this very street that I was driving down.
		Okay?
		And it was about a year ago, but it was on this street.
		I'm driving, and, you know, the past several weeks, you know, I'd seen these little reflections of things up in the sky, and I'd look, and I'd say, oh, it's just the sun reflecting off an airplane, or I'd see something, and, you know, I'd track it, and then it would kind of disappear.
		And, you know, once in a while, I'd see it, but nothing really, you know.
		But that day, I'm driving down the street, and I see this little silver flash fly in front of my car.
		So I immediately poke head out the window, right?
		And I did have some little binoculars, and I looked at them, and I couldn't spot it.
		It just sort of disappeared.
		So it sort of got my curiosity, you know, picked.
		And so I drive down the street, and I don't see it anymore.
		And then I get on this big, busy street called Colorado Boulevard, and I'm turning left onto 6th Avenue here.
		So I'm waiting.
		I'm stopped in traffic, of six lanes in traffic.
		And I look out my window, and I see this bright star hanging in the sky at 3.30 in the afternoon.
		And I say, wait, that doesn't make any sense.
		There's no stars out at 3.30 in the afternoon.
		Now, you know how bright this thing must have been to catch my attention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do her better yet.
		If you'll go to his website, don't look at the videos.
		We already have those.
		But go all the way to the very bottom of the page.
		You'll see a still photograph of what he took.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes, on the UFOs 2 picture.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And I immediately pulled over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's on the second page, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You go all the way to the bottom and then page 2 or whatever.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, to me, though, I've got to admit to you, it looks as though it could be a daytime picture of the moon.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have my, you know, photographs and video can always be fake.
		But the real important thing is always that personal testimony.
		Now, people can say I'm lying.
		Well, in that case, you know, why believe anything I say?
		But what I did is I pulled over and I saw this, it looked like a very bright star in the afternoon sky, absolutely rigid, motionless, like a star.
		And I watched it for about 10 or 15 minutes.
		I also went to the bus stop where there were six people waiting for the bus and I pointed, I said, do you see this thing?
		He said, or am I crazy?
		And they looked at it and they said, oh, that's just a star or a satellite.
		And I said, no, there's no stars out in the middle of the afternoon.
		And satellites move.
		I just want to know if you see it.
		So, you know, and they're looking at me like I'm crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said, well, yeah.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		You know, like, what?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Are you crazy?
unidentified		You know?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		So I got out my camera and I took about 10 pictures at three, at no, four megapixels.
		And then I decided, well, you know what?
		I'm going to run home now.
		I was about 10 minutes away from home, get my big, powerful camera, and come back and take a picture of it.
		So I ran home frantically, you know, like, oh, this thing, I hope it doesn't disappear by the time I get there.
		Get back to the spot.
		I knew exactly to the inch where I was standing, and the thing was gone.
		No trace whatsoever.
		So the first thing I do is I come home and you know and I'm looking around and there's some more people at the bus stop and I say, Do you see anything?
		Am I missing something?
		And they're all saying, no, there's nothing up there.
		So I have a Star Chart computer, a Star Chart program on my computer.
		So I turn that on and I get that portion of the sky just on the off chance there's some like planet or star.
		Absolutely nothing in that quadrant of the sky except some like nebula that you couldn't see unless it was like a totally dark sky.
		Absolutely.
unidentified		Absolutely not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the evidence that without your trying, you conjured that up is at best circumstantial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, at best, I would say.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, either you believe me and you believe that my photo is of what I saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, your photo is your photo.
		But I mean, that you conjured this up, that could be a reach.
		I mean, it just could be that, as you pointed out, people...
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		Well, number one, if I created it, then the other 10 people who also saw it also saw my creation.
		I'm not claiming that I did create it.
		I'm saying, you know, in terms of what UFOs are, they may be a manifestation of the subconscious or unconscious.
		And this is what Carl Jung said.
		This isn't my idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I happen to agree with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was just saying you didn't necessarily create a video.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, I don't take credit for it.
		But I saw it.
		There was something about my intent to see a UFO that I believe and my own brain self-control that allowed that possibility that opened me up to that universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Listen, I want to take some calls.
		We've got to do that.
		We've got people waiting to speak.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Spirit and leave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then, here they are.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Neil Slade.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello?
		Hello.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Hi, my name is Satyata.
		Yes, sir.
		And first of all, I want to thank you for opening your world up to many of us that are so desperately hungry for truth.
		And I want to say that I was in my car driving in Kentucky, and I was listening to Mr. Slate's description of how to click forward.
unidentified		He has.
unidentified		And I am a practitioner of Kriya Yoga.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And I have for many years been a practitioner of a discipline that accesses deep states of meditation.
		And what I've experienced lately, since 9-11, is it has been more difficult for me personally to access those states.
		And I've had to question that very deeply.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is an interesting question in general.
		Do you think, Neil, that an event of that magnitude would tend to remove people from a deeper sort of meditative thought process and bring them to the surface so hard that they simply wouldn't get into that zone where they need to be to have the kind of things that we've been talking about
		tonight occur.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, and that's exactly.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the amygdala is directly responsible for that.
		One thing the amygdala does is it causes the brain to respond in self-defense when it perceives a threat.
		So when people turn on the TV and see bombs in Afghanistan and people with sneaker explosives and planes crashing.
		The amygdala automatically is programmed to send, to block the energy from going forward into the creative cooperative envelope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because you're all consumed with fight or flight and with, oh my God, anthrax and oh my god, my family's in danger, I'm in danger, our country is at war.
unidentified		You've got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a definite switch back.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I did a survey on my email list, and I have an email list.
		We're getting near 5,000 people on it now, and I said, what concerns you most these days?
		And the two things, and I listed a whole bunch of things.
		The two things that came up was money, which is always a concern with people, I think, and fear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fear.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And the amygdala is what, when it's clicked backwards, turns on fear.
		And when it's clicked forwards, it turns off fear.
		Now, a very interesting thing I came across when studying the biofeedback and Dr. Green and Swami Rama was that when people are unconscious of things that the body is doing, when the body, much of what the body does is on an unconscious level, and we don't have control over those things that we're unconscious of.
		Most of us don't have control of our heart rate or our brain waves or the blood flow because we're just not conscious of those mechanisms.
		But what biofeedback does is it amplifies the feedback and makes us conscious of those things we are presently.
		When you become conscious of those deeper levels of mechanism, then you can exercise control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is the first stage of control, sure.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		With becoming conscious.
		Now, if you are unconscious of the mechanisms for fear in the brain, if you are unconscious of an amygdala and you are unconscious of the reptile brain, you don't have control over it.
		However, when you suddenly become conscious of that mechanism and where that mechanism is, you then gain control over it.
		That's why I believe we see such amazing responses from people who are just learning very basically what the amygdala does and where it's vocated.
		All of a sudden, they have control over their fear.
		And instead of being clicked backwards...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe so, but I'll tell you something.
		If you're really thinking white powder maybe comes sailing out of the sky from some damn crop duster and everybody near you is going to drop dead, you're clicked backwards.
		And unless you're the Swami or whoever, you're not going to be able to keep in control of that.
		Your fight or flight is going to take over big time.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's what happened September 11th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So since then, I'm sure there has been an awful lot of backwards clicked amygdalas.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was the basis of the question.
		I think that's the answer.
		Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Neil Slade.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Neil.
		I was wondering the mechanism for this event that had happened in my lifetime.
		We might be getting close to a break.
		I don't know if I have time to go through it.
		But I was in Milwaukee at the time going to school.
		And we were studying interior design.
		And as I was reading through this book, sitting on my bed, okay, in an apartment, there was a dresser on the left-hand side of me.
		the door to my room was on the right hand side and there was a hallway that led to the door on the outside down this hallway behind me okay the mechanism I'm talking about was I'm focusing on this book and I'm getting so excited about reading something that had everything to do with the dream I had a reoccurring dream what I had when I was seven you know something having to do with a castle and you know interior design stuff that was exciting me about 16.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really quick hunt really quick.
unidentified		Okay, so I was focusing on my cigarettes and then there was a knock on the door and as I turned my head toward the doorway, the cigarettes flew across the room and hit the wall on the other side of the room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, hold it.
unidentified		On the dresser.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it.
		We'll hold you on the line.
		That earned you getting held over.
		All right?
		Stay right there.
		You too, Neil.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		Over High Desert, this is coast to coast AM.
		I really would like to see something fly across the room.
		Wouldn't you?
		We'll be right back.
		All right, once again, Neil Slade, and because of what this lady said at the very end, I really got to explore this a little bit.
		You said a pack of cigarettes flew across the room?
unidentified		Yes, and it seems whenever I have uncontrolled telekinesis, things happen to me.
		Things happen on the left side as if my right brain had something to do with it.
		I don't know how I'm saying it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many things like this have happened to you in your life, honey?
unidentified		Well, actually, most things happen when I get emotional.
		Things will fall off shelves and computers will go down.
		And they can't figure out what's wrong with them.
		They think I touch them, but I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The black widow of IBM.
		Okay.
		So, Neil, have you ever observed anything of that magnitude?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I've had a watch that appeared where it shouldn't have appeared.
		The one thing it reminds me of, since we're heavy on Swami Rama tonight, is he stated that when he was challenged, when someone stirred up his emotions, this is what gave him the psychic energy very often to do many of these feats.
		And if he was blasé about something, then it was much harder for him to call these things up.
		So I think there is something to the idea that emotional energy is a very potent force.
		And this lady, you know, obviously doesn't have control of that particular expression of the emotional energy, but I see the connection there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It happens when she's emotionally charged rather than when she's, you know, just kind of investigate ghosts a lot, and I talk to a lot of ghost investigators, and every single one of them will tell you that young teenage girls have more incidence of poltergeist activity and
		a general paranormal activity surrounding them than any other demographic group in the world.
		Young teenage girls, hormones erasing, emotional as hell, just every which way but loose, right, at a certain age.
		Even boys can to some degree empathize with that period of time.
		And apparently this energy produces paranormal events in the immediate area of these people.
		You know about that?
unidentified		No.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		This is the first time I've heard it.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It does seem to me more likely that females being of the emotional, more non-verbal, right-brained type of persuasion you should be looking into, Trust.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		This would be more likely to happen in those kind of circumstances.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would bolster some of your arguments, and what I'm telling you is absolutely true.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Neil Slade.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		yes, Neil, I've seen your star during the daylight hours before.
		But my question is, is there any way that you could stimulate your brain artificially?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's drugs?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no.
unidentified		No, no, I meant electric, like maybe electricity.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		I have one of them massage things.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		And sometimes I put them to my temples and just barely turn it on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what happens?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Basically, I do it just to clear thoughts in my head, basically, and it works for you.
		Yes, it does.
		You know, the brain is a physical organ, and it's going to respond to physical manipulation the same as any other part of the body.
		Surgeons use electroprobes to discover what parts of the brain are active and what parts are damaged and so on and so forth.
		And I would think the type of massage device that you're talking about would have an effect not only on the muscles external to the cranium, but probably would be causing, could cause some other kinds of results within the brain as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can already see a product here, a helmet, a brain massager.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, they have developed helmets that you wear that have magnetic currents flowing through them.
		And there have been some very good evidence that this has a good result on all kinds of mental functions.
		I don't have a lot of information on that, but I have seen some of that evidence.
		And so magnetic current and probably all kinds of electronic current would have effects on the brain.
		We don't understand it completely at this point, but it seems a very high likelihood that in the future we will be harnessing that kind of energy to since we're on the subject.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Electroshock therapy, it's a massive dose of what we're discussing right now.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's generally used in psychiatric cases where all else has failed.
		They've tried just about everything in the book.
		Nothing works.
		And contrary to what a lot of people think, occasionally electroshock therapy appears neo, and I've seen it happen personally, so I know it's true.
		It takes somebody who is apparently psychotic, lost, maybe even dying, and somehow rewires what's going on in the brain.
		You hear a lot of stories, horror stories, about electroshock therapy, but I tell you, I've seen miracles occur as well.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		What I'm familiar with it, it's not used too terribly frequently.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It's used in cases where, as you said, nothing else seems to work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Effects seem to be temporary, however.
		One thing it does remind me of...
		I would say that's probably the exception to the rule.
		And it's also, you know, one of the reasons why it's not so widely used is that generally it's a temporary fix and it needs to be repeated until other things can be done if other things can be done.
		I recently saw some information by a fellow who wrote about temporal seizures in the brain.
		And this was describing a patient who had internal seizures, which are a very sudden release of electrical current within the brain generated by the brain itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, it goes berserk.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It goes berserk.
		But what happened after these seizures in the temporal lobe epilepsy is the patient has this type of revelation, the I see God, the community with the universe.
		So a similar type of thing might be happening in the electroshock therapy patient where it releases or makes connections with the brain that actually create this feeling of calmness and feeling that everything is okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Getting over on the other side of the argument I made a little while ago, which is a place I don't really want to be, but nevertheless, I've got to consider it.
		As you point out, scientists have been able to actually, they claim, simulate the near-death experience or the epiphany or the, I don't know what you want to call it, but they can stimulate the brain in such a way that people have this joyful, life-changing experience that many who have had near-death experiences come and talk about on this program.
		Scientists have been able to duplicate that.
		Now, that might suggest that it's all in our brains, that there is nothing external.
		Trouble is there's a lot of evidence to indicate there is.
		I'm just sort of making this argument that if scientists can duplicate this, then what's so special?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, it indicates that the feelings that we have certainly exist within the brain but it doesn't really say anything about what exists outside of the brain you know everything that we that's true but most people who have this epiphany attribute it uh something outside of their own brain they think that they have uh a seen god or
art bell ▲ ● ▼		the eternity or have a sudden understanding of the one-inch equation that explains it all?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that sort of experience.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I think it's kind of an unanswerable question in a way.
		You know, what I was going to say was that, you know, we perceive that we are seeing things outside of the body when we say, look at a flower.
		But we're not really seeing the flower.
		We're seeing an image of the flower inside the brain.
		Right.
		How do we know that that flower exists or does not exist outside the brain?
		We really don't.
		So it's kind of like saying, well, if someone feels as though they are talking to God, well, they are in their brain.
		It doesn't necessarily affirm or not affirm whether or not that God exists outside the brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It may affirm that there is, in fact, what one person calls a God part of the brain.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
unidentified		Sure.
		Sure.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't have a lot of time here.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Neil Slade.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, sir.
unidentified		First, if you don't mind, if I can answer the last caller's question, you should try some gemstones or some quartz crystal.
		And the reason why they work is because they electromagnetically induce a voltage into the body, which forces the body to tune itself to the frequency of the quartz.
		uh the the reason I called was because I'm interested, Neil, in your opinion about the nature of reality.
		Have you ever read any of the books by Carlos Castaneda by?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure, decades ago.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		When they came out new, I read them.
unidentified		Awesome.
		I'm kind of as to what you think about his concept that everything really is outside of us and that we create what we see, we create our version of reality.
		It kind of fits in with your UFO experience, for instance, and maybe a few other things.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		I think it's really a mixture.
		You know, when I looked up at the sky, I saw, and still believe, I saw a non-man-made object that was neither a celestial object nor a man-made object.
		I saw something I could not explain.
		On the other hand, the person next to me at the bus stop thought they were seeing a star.
		Now, they will probably die thinking that they saw a star or satellite.
		So in their brain, they have one universe that they're living in.
		But in my brain, there's another universe that I am equally convinced that exists.
		So which is the real reality?
		Now, I think there is what reality is, a lot of it is the construct inside our own head.
		But at the same time, two people walking up and petting a dog will both have agreement that there's this dog that exists outside of themselves.
		And so there is also this external reality.
		So, you know, it's a fluid mixture of both.
		And I don't think you can necessarily pin it down as being, you know, as the universe being all inside our skull or all outside our skull.
unidentified		But that's exactly the argument, is that, and that was the construct of his book, his books, was that we're in agreement that this is a dog, we're in agreement that this is a sofa, this is this, and so that's what creates that in the first place, is our agreement that this is the way it is.
		And when perhaps we change our agreement, then it changes itself also, and that might be the nature of magic itself.
		The fact is that there was something in the sky.
		We may not be in agreement as to what it was, but you created that, if you follow what I'm saying, there was something there.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		But as far as that's concerned, I may have also created the person at the bus stop.
		Maybe I'm just watching a movie in which there's only one person, and that's me, and everything else is just an illusion.
		So that's a very big question.
		What is reality?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We don't have a lot of time.
		Neil, I want to at least get a plug-in here for you one way or the other.
		Do you have any books out you would like to plug?
		Do you have any...
		A slew.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I've been working, I've been writing books since 1989, and so the first main brain book, if people want to learn fun, and I mean fun and satisfying ways of turning on their infinite brain power, which everybody has, I recommend the Frontal Lobes Supercharge book, which is all of $14.94, and it comes with a CD, a 70-minute audio CD now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot for $14.94.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		A University of Colorado professor told me I'm selling my stuff too cheap, but I said, you know, I want everybody to get this information, and I don't need to get rich off it.
		So, you know, that's the first book.
		If you don't have any brain books, get that one.
unidentified		Where do you get it?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		You can call the toll-free number, and you can order on the phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what is that?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		That's 1-888-331-7589.
		That's 888-331-7589.
		And if you want more, there's actually a complete brain book and music set, which is like 10 hours of audio book and brain music and three books.
		And we have five books total, so you can go on the website and read about those, or you can order on the phone or order through the mail just by calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I should have let you plug that earlier.
		1-888-331-7589.
		One more time.
		1-888-331-7589.
		Neil, why is music so powerful?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		It's been, you know, I think we've historically known it for centuries.
		Oh, I know, but music does something to the brain.
		It sort of transcends our logic, and it goes directly to some higher facilities of the brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And actually, what we know in terms of brain measuring devices now is that music is computed in the frontal lobes, which is the most advanced part of the brain.
		So when you listen to music, you're stimulating, you're communicating with the most advanced part of your brain.
		Animals, as a rule, don't understand music because they don't have the big frontal lobes like humans do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, but you know, Neil.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Not to the degree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I have seen animals mesmerized by music.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the way, I mean, after all, we are to some degree mesmerized ourselves by.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Turning on their little frontal lobes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Their little frontal lobes.
		All right.
		It's just that music is incredibly powerful.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It's great.
		And, you know, I've spent a lot of time trying to compose and record music that really stimulates those advanced parts of the brain.
		So that's what I refer to when we talk about brain music.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's funny, though, for some people, and we could spend another show on this.
		You know, Willie Nelson stimulates their frontal lobes.
		For other people, music like I have laying under you right now stimulates their frontal lobes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		This is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's a very powerful, very little understood thing, and so's a lot of what you've been talking about, but it's been fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Art.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It's a pleasure every time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll do it again soon.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Night night from the high desert, everybody.
		I am Art Bell.
		Tomorrow night, cloning.

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