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Jan. 2, 2002 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Neil Slade - Creativity. Stan Romanek - UFO Footage

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	♪♪ From the high desert and the great American Southwest,
	I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in all 24 time zones,
	covered around the world by this...
	♪♪ program.
	I'm Art Bell and this program is Coast to Coast AM.
	I'd like to welcome a new affiliate tonight.
	Actually, we're switching affiliates in Spokane, Washington.
	We're going from KGA, 1510 on the dial, to KQNT.
	Way down there, 590 on the dial, 5,000 watts, 590, and a big, big signal.
	So, Spokaneans, Spokaneans, Spokians, Spokes, check us out on 590.
	Glad to have you all on board.
	I'd like to say hello to, oh boy, I hope I can pronounce this, Interesting name.
	The GM there, Costa Candides?
	Candides?
	Candides?
	I'm not sure.
	Costa.
	Costa Candides.
	Close, anyway.
	And the PD there, Barry Watkins.
	Again, uh, in Spokane now.
	Uh, 590 on the dial.
	Welcome to the network.
	Now, in this first hour, you're about here, um, and you see, if you so desire, a remarkable, I mean, really, Remarkable UFO sighting.
	Stan Romanek had a daytime UFO sighting in West Denver in December of 2000.
	Now, you know, we'll discuss the video in a second.
	Also witnessed close up by a half dozen other people easily and aired on the local news there.
	This UFO first appeared directly above power lines next to the road about 50 feet from witnesses.
	It almost instantaneously and completely silently popped many hundreds of feet up into the air, at which time the video camera was turned on.
	Careful inspection of the video, and they do a still frame for you, shows the six smaller diameter balls on the bottom of the craft rotating about the base, which according to the witnesses was, quote, as dark as a black hole.
	Kind of like looking into infinity, end quote.
	For months after the sighting, get this, birds began colliding into Stan's car windshield 34 separate times, actually, over the next several months.
	It suddenly stopped after another UFO beamed his vehicle on September 30th, 2001.
	So, this, number one, is a new story.
	I'd like to add it's under investigation by MUFON right now and I'd like to discuss the nature of this sighting in the video and we've got, oh yes, we've got the video for you on my website at artbell.com.
	go to tonight's guest information at www.artbell.com and when you get there you'll see Stan's UFO
	video number one, Stan's UFO video number two.
	I am most impressed by Stan's UFO video number two.
	So, in fact, I'd like to give Stan my impressions of the video very quickly.
	Stan, welcome to the program.
	Thank you very much.
	You're in Colorado now?
	That is correct.
	Okay.
	Stan, when I watched the first video only, you know, obviously I saw the UFO, but I was
	not overly impressed.
	I thought, this guy can't hold a camera.
	You know, I'm going to get sick to my stomach.
	We're taking a ride here.
	This is bad.
	And I thought, what a bunch of junk.
	And then I watched the second video.
	And in the second video, I'm just giving you my quick impression, the UFO is clearly visible, particularly in the stopped footage.
	But what did get to me, Stan, was, and we don't want to give out, because it's under investigation by MUFON right now, we don't want to screw anybody's investigation up, I'd rather not give the names of the other witnesses to this event.
	But, but, at the end of the second video, if people will be persistent, They will see what apparently would be all your neighbors running out of their homes and joining you in the street.
	And so you were and you caught all that.
	Fortunately, you caught all that on videotape and all of them, older people and younger people alike, saw this amazing thing.
	And believe it or not, more than anything else, because your eyes I mean, video can never do justice.
	To what your eyes see.
	So hearing the reaction of these other people blew me away.
	It's at the very end of the second video, folks.
	So be persistent and make sure you stick with it.
	But that's what got to me, Stan.
	I saw those people and hearing what they were saying at the end and it blew me away.
	This was one real serious sighting.
	Tell me about it from the beginning.
	Tell you about the first sighting I had.
	At that time I had a girlfriend that lives in Nebraska.
	She's now my fiance.
	She had never been to Colorado and I wanted to videotape the surrounding area for her.
	So I thought, gee I'll get up this morning and surprise her with a nice videotape of Denver.
	Up in the foothills we have a very popular ample theater called Red Rocks Ample Theater.
	A lot of musicians are pretty familiar with it and they like to do concerts up there.
	I thought that would be a perfect place to go do this.
	While I was driving up there, I was heading west on a road that I've gone lots of times before to go up there.
	And I noticed these cars were slowing down and I couldn't figure out what the heck.
	Ah, so you weren't really even the first to see it.
	Somebody ahead of you obviously saw it and began to slow.
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	Well, um, I noticed people were kind of looking off to, it would be a mile left, which would be actually south.
	And all of a sudden I see this thing right over power lines and at first, You know, I was a skeptic.
	I was definitely a skeptic.
	I know.
	That's very obvious in the tape as well.
	Now, when you say you saw this thing, we don't have eyes.
	What thing?
	Well, it was about the size of a small car.
	It was rounded on top.
	It wasn't perfectly round.
	It looked like it had some rounded edges to it.
	It had about six rotating balls on the bottom, and they were slowly spinning, and it was tilted forward.
	Now, when I was looking at it, I was behind it, and I could see into the bottom of this thing, and it was like you could look past it, like you could look into infinity.
	Very spooky feeling.
	Do you actually think you were looking past or through the vehicle?
	Could you discern anything at all actually behind it?
	As in stars not as bright or anything at all.
	Was it a clear night?
	It wasn't.
	The first sighting I had was actually the daylight sighting.
	And it was, it was just black.
	Just, it's beyond black.
	I can't even, you know, I look around thinking back and I look around to see if there's anything that compares.
	Right.
	And there's nothing that compares whatsoever.
	Absolutely nothing that compares to how black that object was on the bottom.
	Now, this was round?
	It was rounded on top and it had six little rotating balls.
	I shouldn't say little, they were a little bit... Yeah, but is it a... are we imagining a saucer shape with the balls rotating within or no?
	No, actually it wasn't a saucer shape.
	It looked like... it almost looked like it was a rounded...
	Oh, almost a pyramid shape.
	That's the best way I can explain it.
	It was an unusual shape on top.
	It was definitely rounded, but it had six rotating... In other words, a pyramid with the edges curved off that sort of thing?
	That's the best way I could describe it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Good.
	All right.
	That gives me an idea.
	And it was just above power lines.
	You're sure about that reference?
	Absolutely positively.
	It was probably about 10 foot above the power lines.
	All right.
	How busy a street is this that you're on?
	Well, it was actually pretty busy.
	And if you saw my whole video footage, you could see there was a truck that slowed down
	to look at it also.
	Right.
	Cars were passing.
	I almost got run over a few times because I was.
	It's very, very dangerous to just stop.
	It is.
	It is extremely, well, I wasn't paying attention.
	I was more interested in what the heck this thing was.
	I was pretty scared.
	I understand.
	Now, prior to this, again, you never believed in this kind of stuff at all, right?
	No, I actually made fun of people who did.
	Did you really?
	There are lots of people who do that, Stan.
	Yes, I was one of them, I admit it.
	Okay.
	Alright, well anyway, so this first sighting, so all these cars slow down, you almost get hit, and you see this thing, and then what?
	Well, I was driving along, I had my video camera down by my side, and I was actually driving along, and it started As it started moving I kind of kept up with it and I sped up in front of it and pulled over and right at that point when I was getting out of my car it kind of orientated itself straight up and just popped to about a thousand foot.
	Now this thing made no noise until it accelerated away and it made a small sonic explosion.
	Oh?
	That's the best way I can describe it.
	It made a popping noise you could feel through your bones.
	It vibrated my shirt.
	Wow.
	And at that point, I had turned on my video camera.
	Okay, so the first part you didn't get.
	It took you how long to say, hey, I've got a video camera?
	I was getting out of my car at that point.
	I pulled over.
	Had it occurred to you while you were pulling over, I've got a video camera, let's give it a try?
	Honestly, I was pretty terrified.
	I was in a state of shock.
	I know, but at some point, obviously, you had enough mental I don't know how these people get such still images.
	At that time I didn't have the stabilizer on my camera.
	I don't know how these people get such still images. At that time I didn't have a stabilizer
	on my camera, it was an older Sony camcorder and I was pretty shaken up. That's why I just
	went. It's understandable, very understandable. You're one of the lucky few, I've had some
	sightings, never had a camera with me when I did. You did very well actually. They managed
	to of course freeze some of the frames so we can see what the object is. I must admit
	it is weird as hell, whatever it is. So that was just the first sighting, right?
	Yes.
	If I like it or not, yes.
	That was the first sighting.
	And then what?
	Well, then the thing finally kind of darted off to the left, if I'm not mistaken, and then kind of corkscrewed away.
	A little ways down the road, there's a pull-off where people can walk their dogs, and right after the thing disappeared, I went and found some other witnesses, and we talked about it.
	Now, the interesting thing, and I've told a few people, but I noticed... I didn't notice it.
	One of the other witnesses noticed it.
	We saw two F-16s fly overhead about ten minutes later.
	Oh, isn't that interesting?
	So, I don't know if that... I think it's a little bit more than a coincidence, personally.
	But it might be a coincidence.
	I doubt it.
	You know, I mean, if these things are real, and they certainly are something, there's something, ours, theirs, Russians, Chinese, I don't know, something, they're real.
	There's no doubt about it.
	I've had my own experience, so I know damn well they're real.
	I don't know what they are.
	But they are real, so if they are real and our military isn't interested, then our military
	is not taking care of us because these things are violating our airspace, right?
	Exactly.
	So that was sighting number one.
	Now that's not where the story ends, right?
	By far no.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, I had to go to Pennsylvania for some business and I took my fiance and my best
	friend out there.
	We noticed a few things going out there, but we weren't sure exactly what they were.
	They could have been planes, who knows.
	On the way back though, my fiancé, this was September 1st, we were coming back from PA.
	We were driving Interstate 80.
	It was about the Ohio border, just at the end of Ohio.
	My fiancé noticed something kind of skirting across Hold your story right there and let me take care of
	business in this first half hour without a little cliffhanger because trust me when I tell you, this
	story is far, far from over.
	It's going to get really fascinating and then in a way we're going to follow up in the next
	hour with Neil Slade.
	It's going to be quite a night.
	Stay right there.
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	Okay, Stan, uh, we were with your, uh, with you and your fiancé, and your fiancé had noticed something.
	That is correct.
	Continue.
	Well, um, like I said, we were just at the end of, uh, Ohio, driving west on Interstate 80.
	She goes, look at that!
	We're thinking, look at what?
	We were watching planes fly by.
	We all noticed that this thing had no contrail, whatever it was.
	It was flying in a different direction than all the planes were.
	thing had no contrail, whatever it was, and it was flying in a different direction than
	all the planes were.
	I had my video camera with me and I also had binoculars.
	underneath the seat. She yelled, somebody hand me the binoculars.
	So we handed her the binoculars and she goes, oh my god it's a UFO. Well sure
	enough I looked through the binoculars and it was a typical perfect disc shaped UFO.
	Now the interesting thing was this thing would hide behind, there were those little small
	puffy clouds out, beautiful day but just a few little clouds here and there. It would hide
	behind these clouds and then come popping out again. We noticed as we went forward we
	went actually through three states and this thing stayed ahead of us through three states. Now
	we tried pulling over to get a better shot because when you have auto focus on your
	camcorder it doesn't work very well when you're doing 60 to 70 miles in a car. But we
	tried to pull over and every time we pulled over this damn thing would kind of scurry off
	into a cloud. Now amazingly enough I've got just a little bit of footage with this thing on
	there.
	I couldn't believe I actually got it, but we sure did.
	You did catch it, yes.
	Yes, we sure did.
	And again, folks, when you watch it, you're going to see a lot of jerking around of the camera, a whole lot of it, and you're going to go, I'm getting a little woozy, but stick it out for the still frames and pay attention when I tell you.
	Watch the end of the second video.
	It's very, very important as you consider the credibility of the story you're hearing.
	It's highly credible and it's obvious these people really, really, really, really saw exactly what Stan is telling you about right now.
	MUFON is investigating this, aren't they?
	Yes, they are.
	In fact, there have been quite a few people that have taken this upon themselves and they've been great.
	The first place that I reported this to was the National UFO Reporting Center.
	And I've got to tell you, Peter Davenport was incredible.
	He was a great, great guy.
	He's been very helpful.
	He got me hooked up with MoveOn with John Schuessler and George Zeiler.
	George is the director of investigations for MoveOn.
	Right.
	And he's been doing the, you know, the bulk of the investigation.
	He's found out all kinds of interesting, kind of scary stuff.
	Well, a lot of what you described, this popping from one location virtually to another, that's very common, as I'm sure you've now come to find out in your full sightings, very common.
	Exactly.
	As a person Who didn't believe anything like this before?
	How does it feel now to be out publicly admitting what you saw?
	I never would have guessed in a million years.
	Why are you out publicly admitting all this?
	Because, you know, there's a lot of things out there that we don't know about.
	And I think it's good for people to know.
	I think it's good for people to have an open mind, and this is coming from somebody who had a closed mind.
	I know, but I was going to say, there's a lot of people out there like the former you, you know, who are going to go, oh man, look at this typical lousy video.
	No videographer here.
	And they're going to criticize heavily and they're going to laugh at you because that's what you did to people before.
	So, I mean, I'm sure you've got words for these people.
	Well, hold those words.
	We'll get them after the break.
	What happened to Stan Romanek is real.
	There's no question about it.
	And when you watch both videos all the way through, you realize this is the absolute truth.
	Plain and simple.
	It's the absolute truth.
	He had a really close encounter.
	That's why Mufon is all over it.
	And, uh, for a change, he had a video camera with him, poor as the video is in many ways.
	It is extremely substantial in other ways.
	So, this experience is far from over.
	Some pretty strange things have happened to Stan.
	In between sightings, um, absolutely amazing things.
	And maybe it'll help us understand the nature of the phenomena that we're facing to hear about them.
	Stay right there.
	Now, I think we should hear about the rest of Stan's experience, and it's so much more than you've heard so far.
	So, Stan, I think we've established, you know, that what you saw was absolutely real, period.
	I mean, there's no question in my mind about it.
	What would happen between these two encounters?
	Well, you know, I've never actually hit an animal with my car over.
	Really?
	I take that back.
	When I was a teenager it was snowing really hard and I bumped into a dog kind of slow and he went yiping off into the night.
	I've got a few rabbits notched on the side of my car.
	Those stupid things that I don't know which way to go and you see them and they're either going to go away or right in front of you and there's nothing you can do.
	Exactly.
	Anyway, so yeah, you've never hit an animal?
	Well, I started for some reason.
	I hit my first bird, then I hit my second bird, then I hit my third bird, then my fourth bird.
	Like I said, I've never hit an animal before.
	It was almost like they were getting disoriented and decided to slam into my car.
	Disoriented in your particular area or an area surrounding you?
	That's the only way I could describe it.
	In fact, this actually didn't happen just four or five times.
	No, it happened about 34 times altogether.
	34 times over the next several months.
	Exactly.
	34 Hertz.
	All this stuff, I would have never even told anybody anything about my sightings, about
	the birds, about anything other than the fact that there are always so many witnesses around.
	Good example with the birds, my friend, my best friend and I were going to a movie and we were in a parking lot of a mall and we were doing probably about 15 miles an hour.
	Birds should be able to get out of the way when your car is going that slow.
	But for some reason, a sparrow, it was like in slow motion, a sparrow flew right into my car.
	And we, it fell to the ground.
	My friend got out, picked it up, and it was dead.
	And that to me was the most ludicrous thing I'd ever experienced.
	And it just got weirder and weirder from there.
	Well, alright, let's go back to the first sighting.
	Yeah.
	Is there anything, as you reflect on the first sighting, that happened to you that you recall?
	Other than, you know, the normal state of shock that you're in when you see something like this.
	Other than that, any effects on you that you can recall?
	You know, that's what everybody asks me, because they correlate... Obvious reasons, yeah.
	Yeah, happening to the first sighting.
	Right.
	Something could have, for all I know, but... But you don't remember?
	I don't remember anything happening at all.
	You know, I've had some weird anomalies with my car stalling for no reason.
	The power just suddenly stopping.
	Electrical power on my car just stopping.
	It happened a couple times.
	During the same period?
	Yes, during the few months after the first sighting.
	You know, weird stuff like that.
	I don't have any explanation for it.
	And then after the second sighting, in other words, during the second sighting, something hit you then for sure, right?
	Exactly.
	What hit you?
	After the second sighting, well, you know... During the second sighting?
	Uh, it says here that something beamed your vehicle.
	That was actually the last sighting.
	The last sighting, alright.
	Yes, that was the last sighting.
	Okay, well then I'm down one whole sighting.
	Give us the third.
	There's actually five sightings altogether.
	Five?
	Yes.
	So, uh, it was during the fifth sighting that you were beamed.
	Exactly.
	Alright, well let's jump to that just for the sake of time here.
	Okay.
	Where, when, what?
	Well, the fifth sighting, the last sighting, was probably the biggest sighting.
	I had a couple others.
	The two other sightings before then were actually the same object.
	The third sighting was over my work.
	The second sighting was over an amateur astronomy get-together up at a place called Daniel's Park.
	In fact, there's a person that you should know named Gar, who's the head of the Art Belchat Club, that was a witness to the fourth sighting.
	Okay, at any rate, the fifth sighting.
	The fifth sighting was, I had gotten home from work and I decided to go out and get gas.
	It was about, oh, I'd say maybe 8 o'clock at night.
	I was coming home from getting gas and I was headed south on a road that I go lots of times.
	In the area I live in, Colorado, in Denver, in the Denver area that I live, there's, you know, every once in a while you'll see police helicopters and they'll spotlight you if you drive them sometimes.
	Sure.
	Well, I noticed a beam hit the ground right next to my car and it kind of passed over my car and I thought, well, gee, it's a police helicopter.
	I'll roll down the window and wave at them.
	Well, I was waving like an idiot, and I noticed, well, gee, there's no helicopter blade sounds.
	You normally wave at police helicopters?
	Well, no, I was just being kind of funny, I guess.
	Oh, okay.
	You know, because they spotlighted my car, but I was way back.
	Yeah, I hear you.
	I might do it, too, actually.
	And then I noticed there was actually somebody tailgating me at the time.
	I was kind of getting a little upset, but then I noticed they had slammed on their brakes and had stopped dead center in the middle of the road, probably about Maybe 30 yards back.
	Right.
	At this point, the thing beamed through my car and I was going through an intersection.
	I noticed the people that were stopped waiting for their turn at the light had their head
	stuck out the window and they were looking at my van with their mouths wide open.
	That's when it kind of dawned on me that this might not be a helicopter.
	Sure enough, I looked out my window and there was this round, spherical, blinking object
	that had a really unusual, real pretty blue light on the bottom of it just right above
	my car.
	It had actually kind of moved a little ahead of my car and just started accelerating away
	and I pressed on the gas and decided to follow it.
	Chase it.
	Exactly.
	It darted right off into a park which is right by my house and stopped over a very large
	tree.
	At that point, I carried my video camera wherever I go now.
	I grabbed it and started filming it and to my surprise, there was a picnic actually going
	on or a party going on in the park that evening and there were a whole bunch of other people
	there and I watched it.
	That's again what...
	Crashed in on me about this videotape was that you kept the tape rolling when all these other witnesses came out going, oh my God.
	And so, you know, it was obviously this is not a cook-up ending.
	This is real as a heart attack.
	And so it's all real.
	Now, when this thing hit you with a beam, did you at that point feel or any effects as it hit you?
	No, nothing.
	Nothing?
	Nothing at all.
	I thought it was, um, you know, I thought it was a police helicopter.
	Except, uh, now everything has changed.
	Birds no longer hit your car.
	No.
	With any regularity.
	No, not at all.
	Uh-huh.
	And all these other weird things, the cars, uh, just electrical system quitting, all of that has stopped as well.
	It has stopped, yes.
	All right, well then this was obviously a focus on you.
	Why do you think it was a focus on you, Stan?
	I have no idea.
	A lot of people ask me that.
	I'm nobody special.
	I'm not a Nobel Peace Prize winner.
	I'm just a normal guy.
	You work?
	Yes, I do.
	What kind of work do you do?
	I'm in management.
	Management.
	Corporate management?
	Yes, corporate management.
	Okay.
	I've heard, Stan, from some people that you've been in fear for your life.
	Is that right?
	Well, I've had a few.
	I've had a few threats and stuff like that.
	I actually had to change my phone number.
	Oh, you've had threats?
	Yes.
	Death threats?
	Yes.
	Uh huh.
	Yes, I know about those.
	I've had many.
	Many, many, many, many.
	Uh, why do you think you were getting death threats?
	I mean, uh, when they make the threat, they must sort of drop some little something in your ear that lets you know why they're threatening you.
	Well, the first threat I have, um, and, uh, George Zeller knows about this, the investigator from MUFON.
	Right.
	Um, somebody called up and just, I've never heard this voice before, but they said, well, we hear your You think you've seen UFOs?
	I said, well yeah, I mean about a bunch of other people and a couple of video cameras.
	Yeah.
	And he goes, well if you value your existence, I would probably forget about the whole thing.
	At that point, I got pretty irate with the gentleman.
	If you value your existence, then I'd forget about the whole thing?
	Yeah.
	The tapes shouldn't be made public and you shouldn't go talking about it?
	Well, that's basically the... The gist of it.
	Yep.
	Uh-huh.
	But you've made the tapes public, and you're talking about it.
	That's correct.
	How hard did you think about all of this after a call like that, before you decided to go on ahead?
	Actually, I was pretty PO'd.
	I was more determined than ever to, you know, get this out.
	There's a lot of unusual people out there, just a lot of close-minded people.
	Yes, I have to admit that I was one of them at one time.
	Are you a religious person?
	Actually, I am.
	You are?
	Yes.
	I've done shows like this now for years, Stan.
	What I've noticed is there are deeply religious, well-meaning, fundamental type Christians Who regard the kind of thing that you saw very seriously, but they don't think that it's what we imagine it might be.
	They think that it's.
	That it's evil spirits.
	Real evil spirits, you know, devil play things type things.
	What do you think?
	I'll have to admit that there are probably a lot of people out there that are like that.
	But most of the Christians I know, at least that I know, are a little bit more open-minded than that.
	The majority, I would say, certainly are.
	But believe me when I tell you, there is a group that fit into that category.
	That might have been the person who called you.
	That could very well be.
	Uh, it could be real and known to our government, and it could be some sort of government person who called you.
	Sure.
	Well, that could be, too.
	Either way, a threat like, uh, if you, you know, care for your continued existence should be taken very seriously.
	Well, there's not much I can do about somebody on the other end of a phone, you know?
	I've gotten other threats, just minor ones.
	I decided to change my phone number and email and stuff like that.
	Prudent steps.
	Exactly.
	Now I understand you have, there may be others out there who either saw this same thing Or have a sighting very much like it, and I understand you would like to hear from them.
	Is that correct?
	That's correct.
	Actually, if you don't mind, I set up an email address through Yahoo.
	And I see that.
	You want to give it out?
	Yeah, if that's okay.
	Go ahead.
	It's Stan, S-T-A-N, S, at, or excuse me, stanufo at yahoo.com.
	So, S-T-A-N, S, U-F-O, Well, that's easy.
	Stan's UFO at yahoo.com.
	So, anybody out there who's either seen the same thing, which is certainly possible, or something like it, can send you an email, right?
	Exactly.
	Now, there are lots of other witnesses, in fact...
	Please, because of the investigation, we're trying to be sensitive to the investigation.
	People can see the other witnesses for themselves on the videotape up there on my website right now.
	Let's not give their name.
	Yes, that's fine.
	Okay, but what were you going to say?
	I was just going to say if they want to read some reports, they can actually go to Center...
	Um, the...
	Oh gosh.
	Um, there's a few places they can go.
	National UFO Reporting Center.
	Peter Davenport has four of the witness accounts there.
	One of the witnesses, and I don't know who this person is because he wrote it anonymously, was the person in the car that watched this thing beam my car.
	Really?
	And that's a very scary, scary report to read for me.
	I bet it is.
	In other words, seeing, reading what happened to you from another person's perspective who saw the beam hit your car.
	Exactly.
	Is there any permanent change in you other than obviously a revision of your belief system?
	Otherwise, any other physical or mental change that you can see?
	Not yet that I can tell.
	Um, not really anything that I'd really want to talk about, to tell you the truth.
	Well, no, no.
	Wait.
	There's a few unusual things that... What do you mean that you don't want to talk about?
	Do you mean that there isn't anything or there might be something that you'd rather not talk about?
	Well, there's some things that... There's some changes, but they're still under investigation.
	And, you know, I wouldn't want to ruin the investigation part of that.
	Oh, really?
	Okay.
	How long an investigation do they anticipate this might be?
	Well, um, according to George Zeiler, um, it should be wrapping up here pretty soon.
	Um, they've gotten in touch with, um, a lot of the witnesses.
	I guess they found more witnesses than I even realized.
	So I should probably, uh, at the conclusion of the investigation, uh, get hold of Mr. Zeiler, uh, and as well as yourself once again.
	And at that point you might be able to give out what you're not able to give out now?
	Yes.
	I would be happy to at that point.
	I see, okay.
	Good.
	Let me just ask you straight out, in the totality of your experiences, there are many possibilities for what you saw.
	Yes.
	Stan, what do you think you saw?
	Well, if it is, I can't say for sure it's little green men in a spaceship.
	Right.
	Because I didn't see any little green men.
	Men, right.
	Gotcha.
	If our government has technology like this, we're way more advanced than I would think we would be.
	And it's hard to imagine that our government, if we did have that kind of technology, would nonchalantly and almost brazenly show this thing off in front of I don't know how many witnesses.
	Do you believe that in the cases that you saw this each time, that it wanted to be seen?
	Actually, I do.
	For whatever reason.
	I mean, like I said, I would have not even come out in public or even told my friends if it wasn't for the fact that each time this happened, There were not one, not two, but multiple witnesses.
	Right.
	Some of them, I mean, there are other video cameras, you know, there's more video camera footage.
	Other people had video cameras?
	That's correct.
	At the last sighting, especially because it was a party, they had video cameras and they took video footage of it and they took photographic footage of it.
	Well, what you had was a very, very close, very personal Encounter not too many people get that close and so I guess
	it's now changed forever What you believe and when you hear people tell stories like
	this you don't automatically just dismiss them You understand that?
	Probably only one in a thousand would have a handy video camera that they could crank out and even get what you got,
	right?
	Yeah.
	So most people would never have a camera and we hear story after story like the one you're telling right now.
	Very credible stories.
	They just don't have the footage to back it up the way you do.
	That's the only difference.
	I assume you listen very carefully and seriously to people who tell those kinds of stories now.
	I do indeed.
	And what I also tell people too is, you know, these things are really out there.
	All you have to do is look up and pay attention.
	Yeah, well, people don't do that.
	They're busy in their everyday life, Stan, and, you know, most of everyday life is straight ahead.
	You know, it's the car in front of you you'd rather not hit, or the business in front of you, or, you know, whatever it is that's in front of you.
	You would be surprised how people just don't look up.
	But, Stan, you did.
	And I want to thank you for being here, and I'm going to have you back with Mr. Zeiler when this gets wrapped up.
	Yes, sir.
	Thank you.
	You're welcome.
	Good night, Stan.
	Thank you.
	Good night.
	There you go, folks.
	The video is on my website.
	Decide for yourself.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AF.
	All right.
	Somehow my first guest, Stan Romanek, and my guest coming up, Neil Slade, know each other and they share An experience now.
	Because Neil's had his own sighting.
	He actually had a still camera with him and got a photo.
	Neil Slade has been on the air before with me.
	He's a teacher, composer, seasoned concert performer, author, artist.
	His music has been heard by millions in the PBS documentary movie soundtrack for Still and as music for the Kodak United States Traveling Exhibition.
	He's given hundreds of concert, radio and TV performances and so forth and so on.
	He attended Metropolitan State College, the University of Colorado and the University of Denver.
	Graduated magna cum laude in 1978.
	Certified by the state of Colorado to teach grades kindergarten through 12.
	K-12 has taught for 23 years privately and in the public school system beyond his classroom instruction.
	He taught an estimated 24,000 people music and art lessons, students ages 6 through 66.
	Slade was assistant to brain and behavior researcher, TDA Lingo, for 11 years.
	He was at Colorado's Dormant Brain Research and Development Laboratory.
	That's an interesting title, isn't it?
	Colorado's Dormant Brain Research and Development Laboratory.
	Established by Director Lingo in 1957, the lab was established in order to develop new and effective methods of increasing intelligence, creativity and pleasure for any individual utilizing the latest neurological information, blended with a wide assortment of knowledge ranging from yoga to meditation to traditional psychotherapy.
	So this man knows a lot about our minds.
	And what you can do with your mind that you didn't know you could do with your mind.
	And we have many, many interesting areas to explore with him tonight coming right up.
	Don't move.
	Here now is Neil Slade, who's been on the program with me any number of times in the past.
	Neil, welcome back to the show.
	It's great to be back, and I have to say I'm honored to be, I think, well, now your second guest of 2002.
	Well, that's true, isn't it?
	So that's good.
	Two, two, two.
	A lot of twos there.
	That's right.
	Somehow you met Stan Romanek, who was very impressive last hour with his sighting.
	When did you You're both in Colorado, I guess.
	Actually, you only live a few miles away from me.
	I belong to the very first Art Belchat group in the country, which began here in Denver with the late Tim Cannon.
	I read about his experiences in the newsletter, just out of curiosity.
	I called him up and said, Hi, how are you doing?
	I do art shows once in a while and I'd be really interested in looking at your videos
	and if it looks good maybe we can put it up on the website.
	Well, I described how the video hit me.
	When you first saw his videos, how did they hit you?
	Well, first of all, what you're seeing on the website is the real video version, which
	is one-tenth of the frame rate that we see here.
	So I saw the original video, which was very, very clear, although in that first one it's still a bit jerky.
	However, on a TV screen, even the still images of that first video To me we're very impressive and I'm familiar with the exact area that he took the video.
	I know exactly where that is.
	It's a place called Green Mountain west of town and I recognized it and then when I could tell he was pointing you know he could shot the scenery and then he pointed up in the sky and sure enough what was that thing that was hanging in midair?
	Yes.
	And it was clear Looking at it on the TV and watching the video rewound several times, this wasn't a balloon or an airplane.
	There was no explanation for that first thing.
	He also struck me as being, in person, totally sincere.
	I invited him over.
	He wasn't trying to sell me anything.
	I had just read about it in a newsletter.
	My impression from the very start was, This is a guy telling an honest story.
	Yeah.
	Oh, no, no.
	And he has no ulterior motive.
	Absolutely no question about it.
	But what convinced me, I didn't have access to meeting him personally and all that, but
	you know, at the end of the second video.
	When you get to the end of that second video, it's like you are now watching the real version
	You know that scene where everybody is waiting with lawn chairs?
	You've nailed it.
	That's exactly what it is.
	And here I am.
	This is it in real life.
	This is not a Spielberg production.
	That's right.
	And I went, whoa!
	I've got to find out more about this.
	I spent some time with Stan.
	I made an effort and I contacted five of probably what's out of 45 or 50 witnesses to the video.
	Everyone corroborated his story to the T. My only doubt came when I looked at the video and I thought, well I wonder, was Stan pulling something behind his van that he released into the I mean, this little evil voice inside my head, I said, what else could this possibly, and I'm referring to the red orb, the flashing red orb, so I called the president of the chat club, who I've known for a couple of years, and I know him to be a very down to earth, not easily swayed, a very kind of rational, scientific thinking person, and I called him up and I said, Gar, now I want you to tell me, you know, I don't know, did he go into very much
	You talked a lot about the third sighting, but the second sighting just before that was a group of people who as a regular basis would go out to Daniels Park for like a cookout and get together.
	He attended it this one week and Gar was there from the chat club group.
	And so as Stan is pulling up in his car into the parking lot, here comes the thing above and behind Stan.
	Flies directly over everyone at the cookout within, people said, 30 feet.
	They said it lit up the entire ground below them.
	Several people got it on video besides Stan, who just managed to get out of the car and shoot it as the thing's flying away, and you can see the road sign.
	in the video. I talked to Gar and I said to Gar, is there any possible way this was like a balloon
	that was lit up from the inside? And he says to me, he says, Neil, there is no possible way in
	this universe that this was a balloon.
	And he described it to me as such.
	And while he was describing it to me, a very peculiar, I would say almost telepathic image came into my head.
	And I could see this thing as he was describing it to me.
	It was very peculiar.
	But anyway, he said it was like a laser light show in the sky.
	As if you had laser beams projected from the inside of some sort of device that outlined this geodesic grid, that the geodesic grid itself formed the image of a sphere.
	But he said it was not a solid object.
	It was a light object in the shape of a sphere.
	And he said, and this is what clenched it.
	He said it moved perfectly horizontally over the crowd of people at the speed between a Cessna and a jet.
	Now, can you think of an internally lit balloon that would move at even the speed of a Cessna completely horizontal to the ground?
	No, no.
	And his description was matched by everyone else that I talked to, so that pretty much In this day and age you can create all kinds of things with
	light imagery and video, but to have somebody I personally know as a sane, rational
	person say to me, I know what I saw, I know the difference between something I can't explain and
	some sort of man-made object.
	There was also some sort of personal connection, obviously, for Stan.
	It did something to him, changed him in some way, and then may have released him at the end of the fifth sighting.
	It's hard to say, but it sounds like that.
	Well, you know, coming from a background of brain behavior, I'm looking at all of this at a psychological and a behavioral point of view.
	And, you know, subsequently this really meeting him really stirred up my own interest in this as well.
	And I thought, what part of Stan is responsible for the sighting?
	What kind of psychological and brain and behavior things are involved with this?
	Oh, I'm so glad you're asking that.
	Yes.
	Or could Stan be the causative agent?
	Well, in other words, could his brain have actually conjured this up?
	Well, yes.
	I mean, we don't know what it is, and that's possible.
	Oh, and by the way, I get fast blasts, you know, computer messages as I'm doing the show, and Stan and I discussed a little bit the fact that there are a lot of fundamentalists out there who view these things as evil spirits.
	Yeah.
	Wesley in Louisville asks, I don't have any answers, but you know, isn't it closed-minded to say UFOs equal no evil spirits?
	And I do agree with Wesley.
	It would be very closed-minded indeed, since we have no absolute proof about what they are or are not, to say they are not evil spirits.
	We don't know they aren't, do we?
	We don't know very much about them at all.
	Here is one theory I have, however, about this phenomenon and why, apparently, Stan has been the focus.
	And he indeed.
	I mean, how many people can you say have had six or seven UFO encounters of which they've been able to photograph?
	Right.
	Hardly anybody.
	Hardly anyone.
	Maybe the guy down in Florida.
	Remember from the right and and I'm just From what I'm remembering a lot of that was very suspect.
	Yeah I've been looking very very closely at this.
	I have not been able to find any holes in this whatsoever, right?
	But here's where I'm what I'm where I'm coming from now One of the things I've really been investigating along with this UFO thing this past month is proof scientific proof of of paranormal abilities.
	Yes.
	Okay, so while doing this I look very much in detail at Uri Geller and a lot of the theories about what he does.
	One of the very interesting theories about Geller, and I'm going to come back to this UFO thing because it may be a very strong parallel here.
	Yeah, let's talk about Geller a little bit.
	I've had him on the air here.
	Uh, he's a very interesting fellow, and we did some experiments on the air, something I rarely do, and...
	hundreds and hundreds of people had watches start.
	Really?
	I did not hear but a small portion of the Geller show.
	Okay.
	That actually happened on your show.
	Yeah, because I got the emails.
	Very interesting.
	That's very interesting.
	So I don't know what you mean.
	Here's what I'm getting.
	One of the very interesting things about Geller that I found out was that when he is all by
	himself and I mean when he's sitting in a room by himself alone, he does not manifest
	these abilities and he knows that and he's observed this himself.
	Really?
	He has to have someone else, at least one other person but if there are more people
	it's even better in order for these abilities.
	He can't as much as bend a spoon when he's home alone.
	Okay.
	However, when there are people around him that are either neutral, in other words, they
	don't believe or not believe.
	They're open to it, but it's like they're not convinced.
	If they're neutral or if they believe that this is a possibility, he can then manifest
	the telekinetic energy and do the spoon bending and the watch bending and the metal bending.
	Okay, what does that say to you?
	Well, what is one of the theories is that he is a converter of psychic energy of which he absorbs from around him like a magnifying glass, right?
	A magnifying glass doesn't really burn up stuff All it does is it takes the energy, the light energy, say from the sun, and focuses it, and then it does the work.
	Without the sun energy, the magnifying glass can't do anything.
	Right?
	Right.
	So, one of the theories is that Geller is a converter.
	He takes the psychic energy of the people around him, then converts it into the demonstratable energy.
	That makes him a conduit, then.
	A conduit.
	It also is a good explanation of why When he is surrounded by skeptics or people with negative,
	oh prove it to me, you can't do that, he can't manifest the energy.
	One of the very common, we'll get into this later, but I spent some time at the James
	Randi website and on their bulletin boards.
	Really?
	How much time did you wait?
	I spent quite a bit and we'll go into this because it was a very interesting experience
	and I also had direct contact with the amazing James Randi himself.
	Did you mention my name?
	Uh, no, I'm sorry.
	You didn't mention my name.
	It's a good thing you wouldn't have gotten me anywhere.
	Well, I was shocked.
	The Fully Lost and Amazing Randy will not come on my program.
	Oh, he won't come on.
	I was wondering about that.
	No, he won't come on.
	Well, he, you know, I was shocked.
	He makes snide remarks all the time.
	I was absolutely shocked by the responses that I got from him, because I know better.
	But we'll talk about that later.
	But anyway, one of the very common things that comes up is, well, you know, Gellar had his chance on Johnny Carson, and he appeared on the Johnny Carson Show, and Carson was a skeptic, and Randy was on the show, and they were all trying to prove that he was a fake.
	And this was one And Gellar very willingly went on the show.
	Well, Randy radiates negative energy.
	Right.
	And so this is what Gellar transmuted.
	The negative.
	He couldn't do anything when they said, OK, bend the spoon.
	And it was very frustrating for Gellar.
	Under the circumstances and in view of who was there, it's a good thing a war didn't start in the Middle East while he was trying to bend a spoon.
	Can you hold on during the break?
	Sure.
	Neil Slade is my guest.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	We're going to be exploring all kinds of things about the brain tonight.
	My guest is Neil Slade.
	Now, we're going to talk a little bit more about UFOs, but we're also going to talk about the brain.
	We're going to talk about the spirit, the soul, and all the recent news on near death.
	Including the interview I did with Tam, the Lancet article, and all of this other breaking news.
	This breaking news about the fact that apparently when it's over, it's not over.
	You know, it occurs to me somewhat interesting that the somewhat less than amazing Randy is willing to go on programs where he's got lots of company in the skeptic, doubting, let's make fun of it category, and not so willing to go on a program like this one where we have people of an opposite nature.
	Now, perhaps that has something to do with what Neil Slade is telling us about the ability of somebody to conduit something when there are those who believe that it might be possible in the room versus the other way around.
	Maybe that explains why Randy isn't too anxious to get over here on this program.
	What do you think?
	Oh, I think that's certainly part of it, undoubtedly.
	I mean, there is a mental energy field.
	that surrounds a person and groups of people. It's cosmic intelligence. It's the stuff that...
	And then there's little black clouds that follow people like Randy around.
	Yes, well this is true. Well, of course, if you were a friend of Randy, you know,
	your perception would be the opposite, that he is the guardian of truth and the American way.
	The angel of skepticism.
	No, I...
	I... I... I...
	I had a... well, I won't say the word, I guess.
	I better not.
	I had my own little phrase that I'd come up with after dealing with a large number of these on the
	discussion board, but I'll keep that to myself.
	Don't take yourself to their level, that's what they do.
	Anyway, with Geller there seems to be this very good possibility of him being a conduit, one that collects the energy around him, focuses it and then demonstrates the principles.
	Now, I don't know if Stan mentioned this or not, but his very good friend Mark, who I don't know.
	involved with the Art Bell group for many years I believe.
	Mark heads up a local UFO enthusiast group. This is a group that gets together and
	looks at UFO videos and talks about UFO experiences. The majority of the people in that
	group, and I did go to one meeting after meeting Stan and all this stuff, have not had
	the personal encounters. But They're very open and very enthusiastic about this.
	Contrary to Stan prior to his first sighting.
	In other words, Stan was, as he mentioned, totally skeptical.
	Even though he had this friend, you know how sometimes you have a friend that is into something that you're not into, but you tolerate it because... They talk about it all the time, you go, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, okay?
	So there was this UFO interest Indirectly near Stan, but Stan had this personal non-interest in it.
	His interest was totally passive.
	He just noticed it and didn't invest any psychic energy or emotional energy in it.
	Now one thing I've noticed when going through the scientific data in regards to paranormal healing abilities and proof and biofeedback, one of the key elements for manifesting positive results, say in biofeedback, if you're hooked up to a biofeedback machine and you're trying to affect it and raise the temperature, the harder you try The worse it works.
	And when you employ what I call effortless effort, then nature takes over and the results that you're looking for work.
	But if you lose your cool, right, and you start trying hard, it puts a damper on everything.
	Interesting.
	Okay?
	This is a very well-known principle in biofeedback.
	Now in my own brain research and studies, I've noticed exactly the same thing in regards to the manifestation of paranormal abilities in ordinary people.
	For example, telepathy, precognition, even examples of telekinesis.
	If you keep your amygdala clicked forward, which some of your listeners are familiar with by this time.
	If you're doing the right kind of brain self-control and you relax, all of these paranormal abilities spontaneously happen without you trying to make them happen.
	The only paranormal experiences I've ever had are when I wasn't even expecting them nor trying.
	Exactly.
	That is exactly correct.
	Exactly.
	I have sat here.
	In previous programs that we've done and I've I've tried telekinesis really hard in fact I put a pen and stood a pen on my desk straight up vertically and I sat here Neil so hard Reaching my face up in in Concentration so hard trying to put a push on the top of that pen just enough to tip that pen over and On my desk, scrunching my face so hard you'd think I was sitting on the can, you know, trying to get something done.
	And it didn't budge.
	I mean, it just didn't budge.
	But maybe there's another approach, the one you're talking about.
	Well, this is absolutely the case.
	And, you know, after, you know, for decades of looking into this kind of phenomenon, that's rule number one.
	Don't try too hard.
	So, when I look at Stan's case, and even in the follow-up experience that I had, because I had my own UFO sighting shortly after meeting Stan, and I got the picture of it, although it's not as impressive as his, it's still a photo.
	And we'll talk about that in a minute.
	The one thing I learned is that if you just let things happen, people always say, how can I turn on this paranormal ability and this by using my brain?
	I always say, don't worry so much about it.
	Just stay clicked into the frontal lobe processes and relax and keep tickling the amygdala.
	You're not trying to do something in your brain with a sledgehammer.
	You're just using a little feather.
	Then all that paranormal stuff will happen.
	Well, so when I look at Stan, I see he's got this field around him.
	A friend of a friend, his friend, they're all, they're all dying!
	I mean, they're dying to see a UFO, right?
	These are the people who, like in the movie, rushed up to the top of the building with the welcome to earth, you know, bring peace, and they got zapped, right?
	Be that group.
	Yeah, you know, I'm not putting them down.
	Don't get me wrong.
	They're trying so hard.
	They're the enthusiasts.
	But who sees the UFO?
	The one guy who's just removed, who doesn't In fact, he is kind of skeptical of it. He is driving down
	the street and this thing is 50 feet away from him and he gets it on videotape. Right? And then it happens again and
	again and again. And when I talked to him about it, he said, you know, this is getting scary even.
	I don't necessarily want to see these things, but I am seeing them.
	So obviously you're leading towards thinking that Stan is a conduit.
	He's in the same way that Geller is.
	He's an uninterested party of which the energy is now focusing through him.
	him. It's just interesting. One of the things that I deal with a lot on my site is I make
	a fair number of claims saying that if you tap into your brain potential you can do all
	kinds of marvelous things if you do it the right way.
	On one page I say if you're going to contact aliens and see UFOs you're going to have to learn how to turn on your frontal
	lobes to do it.
	Right. I said if you can click your amygdala forward and click on your frontal lobes then
	you'll start making... And all of this stuff can happen.
	Let's give everybody the 101 on the amygdala. The amygdala is on either side of your head.
	It's the most advanced part of your brain and it's the biggest part of your brain.
	It's the frontal lobe region, that area we believe is responsible for higher thought
	processes or brain function, right?
	The frontal lobe is the one-third front part of your brain.
	It's the most advanced part of your brain and it's the biggest part of your brain.
	If you hold your forehead with your hand, everybody in the audience, just put your hand
	Right.
	Everything under your outstretched fingers is your frontal lobe.
	Yes.
	And that's the evolutionarily most advanced part of the brain.
	And you are saying that you can use a mental technique to get your brain going in that area, really supercharge your brain, so to speak.
	And this is, describe please how one thinks of and then clicks forward mentally this area to get this going.
	You know, there's the saying that we only use 10% of our brain.
	I mean, in a way that's true, but what's really most accurate is we only use a very small, infinitesimally small percentage of the potential of our brain.
	Well, as proven by the fact that they can operate on people, removing over half the brain, and the person seems just spiffy.
	I mean, no real change, personality intact, Yes, the hemispherectomy is now a regularly performed operation used to control epilepsy
	and other things in which they actually remove one complete hemisphere of the cortex.
	Or in other words, bad part of the brain, no problem, cut it out.
	Cut it out. It prevents the epilepsy is kind of like a discharge of current back and forth
	between the hemispheres uncontrolled. And by moving the one hemisphere,
	it stops this back and forth ping pong. Right.
	So it cures it. So that's one way. We understand so damn little about our brains.
	Well, I mean, you know, there have been cases where people suffer from the filling of fluid inside the brain that the acidic cerebral spinal fluid actually eats away until there's nothing left of the cortex but a one-sixth of an inch layer on the inside of the skull.
	And if you could literally shine a flashlight through people's heads Are you serious?
	Oh, absolutely serious.
	You can shine a flashlight?
	You could literally shine a flashlight through because there's nothing but fluid in this very thin layer of cortex around the rim.
	It's a little macabre, but I'd actually like to see that.
	Well, and people continue, you know, to function with that particular condition.
	All of the gray matter, nearly all of the gray matter and white matter is gone.
	The core brain is still there, but we're talking about 90% of the brain, but functioning just as before.
	The potential of the brain is infinite and we're only using an infinitely small percentage of that.
	One way of looking at things in the brain is to say, okay, we can turn on more of that potential, specifically in the frontal lobes, which is the part of the brain that computes cooperative behavior, imaginative behavior, creative behavior, intuition and logic.
	Right.
	Now, right in the middle of the brain, there's an organ called the amygdala, and we focus, we visualize on that, and the amygdala is a little A walnut shaped part of the brain is about the size of the
	tip of your thumb and it's located about one inch inside each temple.
	You've got one amygdala for your left hemisphere and one amygdala for your right hemisphere.
	The amygdala is a gateway of the brain.
	It's connected to the frontal lobes and it's connected to the more primitive parts of the
	brain.
	So when you wake up in the morning your reptile brain turns on and you're suddenly conscious
	and awake.
	When you go to sleep at night there's little part in the brain.
	My reptile brain does not yield forward progress until after at least two cups of coffee.
	I'm a reptile through two cups of coffee easily.
	Yes, I think I would belong to that club as well.
	You know, you get up and you go into the bathroom and then you go straight for the coffee machine, right?
	That's right.
	And then slowly the higher functions begin.
	Yeah, but the energy starts to surge into the more creative parts of the brain.
	Yes, I think that's true of many of them.
	But we found, and I say we in referring to the Dormant Brain Research and Development Laboratory.
	What is, by the way, dormant?
	The word dormant, I've been wondering about that.
	Well, you know, if you're only using 10% of your brain, you have 90% dormant brain, don't you?
	So, you were researching the 90% that doesn't seem to be getting used.
	And how to turn on that area.
	And that's what TD Lingo's research was about for 35 years, starting in 1957.
	Anyway, one of the most effective methods that we learned for jump-starting this creative, intelligent part of the brain was to visualize this amygdala switch one inch inside each temple.
	You visualize it like it's a light switch on your wall.
	When it's clicked down and backwards, All the energy is stuck in the primitive part of your brain, at the base of your brain, at what's called the R-complex.
	The famous joke, the reptile core of the brain, that we're talking about, computes the four F's of human behavior.
	Feeding, fighting, fleeing, and reproduction.
	That's all that our reptile brain does.
	So if your amygdala is clicked backwards, that's all you're computing is this reptile
	reactive behavior.
	You know, drink water, fight with spouse, go to work, fight in traffic jam.
	You know?
	Look at your day and think about it.
	I tell you, that represents most of a person's day.
	Well, you're right.
	You're absolutely right.
	Ultimately, you know, you get 6.7 billion people doing this across the world.
	You get 6 people billion that are all clicked into reptile brain, and then it manifests itself as pollution, and it manifests itself as wars, and it manifests itself, I would say, as in bad weather, you know, and all kinds of things because it's just this negative, bleak, unproductive, uncreative energy, okay?
	So the idea is now to get people to start turning on more of that 90% dormancy, so maybe it's only 85% dormant.
	See, I was right then.
	Randy does cause wars.
	And lots of Randys out there altogether causing these negative things to happen.
	I don't know.
	a little, you know, another 1% smarter, who knows what will turn around, you know?
	Okay, so anyway, you've got this amygdala switch, okay?
	So if you're, we can do this right now.
	Take all of 30 seconds to get people to click their amygdalas forward.
	Sit so you're comfortable, close your eyes.
	Imagine that you have an amygdala light switch.
	Just pretend it's just like the little switch on your wall, one inch inside the right temple
	and the left temple.
	Yes.
	Okay?
	And maybe imagine that it's a little almond, okay?
	Amygdala comes from the Greek word meaning almond, right?
	Yes.
	So you've got one in, okay?
	Now pretend you have a feather and you're holding a feather and you can magically reach
	in through the front of your cranium and tickle that little amygdala almond with the tip of
	the feather.
	And just very gently go tickle, tickle, tickle on the left front amygdala.
	And then reach over with the feather and tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle the front of the right amygdala.
	And as you do that, that will automatically cause that little click, click, click.
	It really does work.
	I really can feel it.
	Every time you and I have done this on the air, I have, of course, followed along, and by God, it works.
	Well, I just heard you laugh, you know, and laughter is an indicator of frontal lobes.
	Humor is in the frontal lobes.
	And imagination, just the mere fact that you are imaging, imagining a feather requires you
	to turn on more frontal lobes power.
	I've been able to feel it every time you've led me through it.
	Every time.
	You know, I got such an astounding letter from people who have no vested interest in
	this work.
	I know, who just sort of followed along like I just did and felt the same thing.
	And you know, it always blows me away because here's a letter I got from KGB.
	Hold on, we'll do the letter after the break.
	Break is coming up.
	We have to do these.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Once again, the very fascinating Neal Slade.
	Neil, you were about to read a letter or something.
	Yes.
	Well, all getting around to my UFO experience, ultimately.
	You finally have been initiated.
	Finally been, yes.
	But anyway, you know, I say a lot of things on the website about brain self-control.
	That's what I teach.
	That's what the books and the music and the websites are all about.
	How people can gain control over their own Brain and behavior so that life works.
	I couldn't keep doing it unless I was getting reinforcing encouragement from people who were giving me evidence that this, in fact, was possible and that they were doing it.
	Tonight, for example, here's a letter from Katie, age 17, who I've never met.
	I'm not paying her to write me this.
	Why on earth would she write this unless she had an experience?
	She wrote to me, she says, your page opened the doors to the hidden ecstasy that was in prison for all these years.
	All my life, and even in my childhood, I was mostly exposed to the evils of other people in this world.
	Things seemed dark and dreary all my life, and whenever I would make a mistake, I beat myself up for it.
	Last year I had a near break up with my friend and it hurt me pretty bad.
	This past summer I was put under much stress and I was mentally damaged because of it until now.
	When I clicked forward a wonderful feeling rushed over me like rapids of light and warmth.
	I began to laugh non-stop for about five to ten minutes.
	I felt so full of light I just wanted to hug everyone.
	It's how my friend once described being on the ecstasy drug times one million.
	I'm still feeling it now.
	It is so overwhelming.
	Sometimes I want to break down and cry.
	It's so beautiful.
	Thank you so much for getting this info out.
	It helps so many people and it helped me.
	Yeah, I mean it works.
	It works.
	And I think the thing that makes a difference is that... I know.
	I experienced it, for the most part, briefly.
	Neil, when you take me through it and you take everybody through it, it really works.
	I really feel it.
	But it doesn't...
	It doesn't last for me.
	It's like a little tickle does ya, and then unless you do it, you can repeatedly do it, but it's not a lasting, it's not like the switch stays forward for 24 hours.
	Yes, absolutely.
	You know, there's a big wide variance in the responses that people come, that I've come to observe.
	Some people, they're sort of like on the cusp of a big change.
	And if you just tell them where to focus their concentration, it's like the straw that breaks the camel's back.
	That's right, yes.
	Other people, well, you know, they're in a different place.
	They may either be very comfortable where they're at, so relatively speaking, there's not that big of a change to make between being, say, as this girl was, very upset and finding that place.
	Just the relief of that may have made a huge difference to her emotional state.
	Whereas if you're comfortable and things are going pretty good and you click, the changes are going to be more subtle and they're going to be accumulative.
	So you can expect a very wide variation.
	Another thing also when you start to deal with brain self-control is that there are many subconscious and unconscious elements at work.
	I, for example, when I first started working at the brain lab, it took me a long period of time to discover and remove the unconscious blockages, the repressed traumatic memories that were blocking this energy from going forward.
	This one young girl, for example, may have had very few blockages on an unconscious level, and so for her, when she focused the energy on the specific points of the brain She was able to just kind of fully flow into it.
	Neil, scientists have studied yogis, as you know, who can, you know, control their heart rate.
	They can control all kinds of really interesting, previously thought to be uncontrollable things with their brains.
	Well documented, right?
	Absolutely.
	Mind-blowing what I came across.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So, we could do it too.
	There's no reason why the average person using your techniques cannot do this, right?
	They can't.
	Yes.
	That's one common thread that I found.
	This past month I've investigated A couple of people in particular.
	One is a fellow named Swami Rama, who I brought up briefly.
	Swami Rama?
	Swami Rama of the Himalayas.
	Yes.
	Another person is Jack Schwartz.
	One of the first people to begin investigating these people is a fellow named Elmer Green.
	And I think it might be good to, if we're going to get into that, maybe give a little background about who and what Elmer Green was all about.
	The reason, and I can easily tie this into our previous discussion, as we mentioned, I had been to the Amazing Randy website.
	In fact, there was a thread then going that an anonymous email Alerted me to, in which people were talking about my website and people were saying things like, oh, Neil Slade is the most deluded person on the internet.
	And they brought up the issue of cloud busting and they brought up the issue of the UFO stories that I was reporting on the website and the paranormal, tapping into the paranormal things and making that happen.
	So I had some discussion with these people and what it really got me going was you know I would bring up an issue of well haven't you heard about this particular thing or haven't you heard about this particular proof and most of it was it was just off the cuff dismissed because the people whom were being critical really didn't have the facts.
	So, immediately afterwards I said, okay, I'm going to get some very specific references, scientific proof of things like telekinesis, of instantaneous healing of control of blood, heart rate, of telepathy.
	So you want Randy's million?
	Well, you know, if Randy was really serious about that, He should have given away this million 30 years ago from the data that I've uncovered.
	There have been proofs, and I mean scientific laboratory proofs, of exactly the kind of paranormal things he so commonly dismisses for decades.
	Just before we proceed, I was asking you about the yogis and then I really did want to ask you about everything you're telling us.
	Have you had the opportunity to have anybody In some sort of brain scan or MRI or some hard scientific evidence of brain function actually beginning or increasing in a certain area of the brain with your techniques.
	Have you good scientific evidence of that sort?
	Much of what I talk about is already supported by the foundation findings.
	Although, what sounds to many people as outrageous claims, in terms of increasing blood flow in certain areas of the brain, most of this is already, a lot of this is already documented.
	In terms of amygdala clicking, causing... Who has documented this?
	Oh, you can just go into any medical library and you will find evidence in terms of what
	parts of the brain does what, what kind of effects happen when a person does biofeedback
	or meditation or imagery.
	So there's a lot of data that points to what I'm talking about.
	But what about amygdala clicking and actual proof of frontal lobe increased activity?
	What I have at this point is the subjective data that comes from TD Lingo's research.
	and his what he called longitudinal studies.
	These didn't involve PET scans or functional MRIs, that kind of thing, or EEGs.
	What I'm hoping for is over the next two years, there is a physician in Dayton, Ohio,
	who is interested in exactly this type of documentation.
	Right.
	So we're hoping in the next couple years that we can actually have exactly that kind of proof that you're talking about.
	It takes money.
	It takes a lot of money.
	Yes.
	And so not at that particular point yet, but all of the subjective data, all of the feedback, All of the research that Lingo did for many years, it all points to that yes, something is definitely happening here and it is certainly within the realm of possibility that we will be able to trace, we'll be able to link the imaging of the imagery type of amygdala exercises with exactly the type of increase in blood flow to the frontal lobes and the decrease
	In the fight or flight types of responses, but every indicator that we have subjectively points to that at this point anyway.
	And, you know, just the basic tenets of neuroanatomy say that this is certainly possible if not extremely likely and so forth.
	I want to talk for a second about the nature of the brain, if you wouldn't mind.
	It's going to get off on sort of a limb here, but I got a really profound experience recently, Neil.
	Really, really profound.
	Maybe you heard it.
	I know you listen to the show sometimes.
	Did you hear the show with Pam?
	I don't think so.
	Okay.
	Then here you go.
	Okay.
	Pam was on 48 hours, but you know, they never have enough time to tell the story properly there.
	But basically in a nutshell, Pam had a brain aneurysm, you know, a little bulb ready to break and kill her in her brain.
	And the only way that they could help her, otherwise she was, it was a death sentence.
	So it was a last-ditch effort.
	They lowered her body temperature.
	I don't know, down to, in the 40s.
	And took all the blood out of her body.
	Yeah, all the blood out of her body.
	Her heart stopped.
	And the EEG ceased, Neil, for one hour.
	For almost a full linear hour.
	No brainwaves.
	No life.
	Pam was D-E-A-D, dead.
	Dead, dead, dead.
	By any measure, anybody would have declared her long since dead.
	They went into her brain, they clipped the aneurysm, because of course, with no blood in the body, it deflated, like a deflated balloon, and they just clipped it and sewed it up and sewed her back up.
	Put the blood back in, put the paddles on her heart, and re-kick-started her heart, and she came back now.
	She was able during this period of time, Neil, to describe everything that went on in the operating room.
	Her doctor will verify this.
	She saw all that went on during that hour.
	It could account for the full linear hour.
	Believe me, she was not just out, she was dead.
	Now, she saw all of that and she had a near-death experience on top of that.
	And that was profound for me.
	This interview was really, really profound because it means there is something separate from neural function.
	Obviously, some sort of consciousness that has to be separate from neural function as we've been discussing it tonight.
	And I wonder if you have any thoughts on that.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And this is one of the things that I looked into with my investigation into Swami Rama.
	He said a very interesting thing and this was in regards to the experiments that he did testing his brain waves.
	He was able to control his brain waves at will.
	He could produce beta, well we all produce beta just walking around.
	He could produce beta, alpha, beta and delta at the drop of a pen.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	One of the things that he did was he demonstrated deep theta and delta and went to sleep in the laboratory on purpose.
	It was part of the experiment where he proved that he had total control over sleep.
	And so he said, OK, I'm going to go to sleep for 25 minutes and then wake up at exactly the end of 25 minutes.
	And they verified.
	And they had him wired up the whole time.
	And he's snoring while he's doing this.
	So while he's snoring and they're looking at the machine showing that the guy's out like a light.
	Yes.
	We're all talking about this and that and blah, blah, blah, blah.
	He wakes up and he told them exactly what everyone in the room was talking about.
	There you are.
	It's exactly, well not exactly, but obviously related to what I'm talking about.
	It's very related.
	Swami Rao, and he was trying to, he did so many things, and we could, you know, we could spend hours literally talking about this long series of experiments with the Managers Foundation.
	I had Michio Kaku on, you know, the theoretical physicist.
	Brilliant guy, right?
	Yeah.
	And I told him the same story about PM I told you, and he could only offer up Well, there must have been some unmeasurable amount of brain activity somehow going on somewhere in there.
	They just didn't have instruments sensitive enough to measure it.
	That was all they could say.
	Well, that's funny.
	Well, you know, Swami Rama said, he said, all of the body is in the mind, but not all of the mind is in the body.
	Did he really say that?
	Yes, absolutely.
	That's a quote.
	You can quote Swami Rama on that.
	And he went into detail as he's doing all these brain, mind, body manipulations trying
	to explain...
	As he's demonstrating, actually.
	Okay, hold on.
	We're at a break point.
	So there is something separate, right?
	Very important.
	So there is something separate, right?
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	If you try what Neil suggested, you actually do the little tickle and flick the amygdala forward, you really will feel it.
	That part really does happen.
	And it affects almost everybody to varying degrees from just a little, oh, wow, kind of thing to, well, the other end of the spectrum of effects actually is pretty interesting, something I'm sure we'll talk about as time goes on here.
	Anyway, stay right where you are, and in a moment, we will continue to explore the separation of what seems to be, what is called by people, the spirit of the soul and the mind, or the brain.
	Stay right there.
	This regard to the Swami Rama and others like him.
	Now, again, I know yogis and others can do amazing things like, I guess, Swami Rama can.
	But these appear to be functions or abilities of a living human brain, one in which there is brain function occurring.
	Now, what I discussed when I discussed Pam and others like her, in fact, there's an article in The Lancet that we've gone over rather extensively on the show that backs up a lot of this, an awful lot of it.
	This seems to be separate from normal brain function, at least insofar as science is able to detect it.
	And so, is there indeed, in your opinion, something that is separate from the brain that may encapsulate our consciousness?
	I mean, how else do you explain this?
	That's my feeling, and if anything, After looking at all of the just astonishing feats and the scientific laboratory examination of the feats of Swami Rama, he says, and if anyone knows, I would imagine a guy who can stop his heart and describe conversations while he is wired up to an EEG machine showing that he is unconscious and who can
	Well, the proof part is closing in.
	Have you become aware of the Lancet article?
	He says, yes, there is a mind separate from the body and brain.
	Until I come up with better proof, I would tend to believe someone like this.
	The proof part is closing in.
	Have you become aware of the Lancet article?
	It's going all over the place now.
	The one that you were just talking about?
	The Lancet is a very well respected medical journal in Britain.
	No, but I'm writing it down.
	Somebody will send it to you, trust me.
	Check it out.
	I thought about this the other day.
	How would a person such as you or I know this for fact or experience?
	And I think it would take an awful lot of deprivation of sensory information, something similar to John Lilly's tank that he used to sit in for days at a time, in which he shut off all of the sensory information to his brain. Isn't that
	very dangerous or it could be very dangerous? Well I'm not recommending it. I'm saying this
	may be the only possible way for someone to know. Now in the... When you do that, may I ask
	a question about that? Since you've done research in this area, when you go into, and I have
	considered myself trying a sensory deprivation chamber.
	Uh-huh.
	I have done that.
	You have done it.
	Well, I would be really interested.
	What happens to you?
	What happens to the brain?
	What begins to occur as the hours of absolute zero continue?
	What does the brain begin to do?
	You begin to experience a substitute world, not much different from The dream world that you experience, the brain begins to resonate upon itself.
	The brain craves some sort of stimulation and if it doesn't come from without, from the ears and eyes and skin, then it comes from within.
	Now, Swami Rama, for example, as part of his training As a yogi, what his discipline requires is that they do exactly that.
	They isolate themselves for a long period of time in which they do not have any contact with other people.
	In his case, he spent 11 months in a cave.
	In a cave?
	In a cave, and I mean this in a literal sense.
	In his discipline he went off, spent 11, I have the dates here somewhere, let's see.
	So people don't think I'm making this up.
	When he was 24 years he became, there's a sort of position in South India.
	He became Shakarachara of Ka... I can't say.
	So you did this in India?
	He did this.
	In India?
	Yes.
	Uh-huh.
	Um, okay, this was in 1952.
	He returned to the Himalayas to intensify his meditative practices in the monasteries.
	In the Swamiji's, and they're talking about Swami Rama tradition, and I'm reading from his biography here, it is required that the student spend a certain amount of time in isolation in a cave, He lived for 11 months in a very small cave without seeing another person or coming out of the cave.
	Food was left outside the cave and cleansing of the body was done through vigorous pranayama practices, which I know personally to be breathing exercises.
	Only a tiny point of light came through a hole in the ceiling of the cave.
	So he did exactly this.
	They don't have the float chambers in India.
	They have caves.
	I would believe that you would start to see things sitting in a dark cave.
	I would believe that you would start to see things sitting in a dark gaze.
	I am familiar with some retreats that are done in Japan in which people fast and spend
	very long periods of time in meditation.
	When you do that and are in isolation and all the senses are turned off, then you start
	getting input of various kinds from within the brain.
	Now, one of the people very heavily involved with bringing Swami Rama to the United States was a Dr. Elmer Green of the Menninger Foundation in Topeka, Kansas.
	This was a research laboratory that was set up to investigate mind-body control.
	One of the experiments that they did, and this went on for a very long period there, was brainwave training in which subjects were wired up to a feedback machine which indicated to them what level brainwaves they were experiencing.
	In this particular experiment they were learning how to produce theta waves.
	Theta waves are slower than both beta and alpha waves and are related to that condition
	just as you are falling asleep or just as you are coming out of dream state in the morning.
	In our brain lab we call this morning pre-consciousness.
	It's sort of a half alert, half asleep state where you see images.
	It's sort of a half alert, half asleep state where you see images and we've associated
	We've associated that with some elements of ESP and telepathy and precognition.
	In the subjective feedback we got when people had...
	It is a very interesting twilight zone in which all kinds of strange things can occur.
	Yes, and so when people deliberately put themselves into this theta type of state, which is conducive
	to the ESP type of information, they got all kinds of tales of ESP types of experiences
	that happened in the laboratory.
	For example, one thing that they tried to do was to get people to, as soon as they were falling into the theta state, okay?
	And this is the Theta state again is where all the outside sensory information is turned off.
	Okay?
	And you begin seeing what they call hypnagogic images.
	Images that were coming from the unconscious mind.
	And as soon as people slipped into the state, the researcher would sort of jolt the person out of the state and say, what are you seeing now?
	What have you just seen?
	For example, one person was asked that question and he said, well, I just saw a tall man with dark hair and horned rimmed glasses.
	This was the response of the subject who had just slipped into the theta state.
	Well, but that's one subject.
	How many reports similar by percentage in that state report similar occurrences?
	I don't know.
	A sample.
	In other words, if you monitor a hundred people who reach that state and are then interrupted by the researcher, how many report similar things?
	Well, it was incidences of the ESP or telepathy which was noted by the researchers.
	In connection with the Theta state, which they did not see in the Beta state.
	Right, right.
	Or the Alpha state.
	Right, and what percentage of them reported this?
	I don't have a percentage for you.
	It reached that state.
	That's what I was asking.
	Oh, you mean how many of the people trying to reach the state, the data state, were able to do it?
	No, how many who reached the state reported such an instance?
	I don't have a percentage on that.
	The finding or the observation... Was it a high percentage, do you think?
	It was, well, the percentage of people reporting the paranormal or telepathic types of messages was virtually zero.
	in the people in the beta or the alpha wave states.
	Those states being different from the theta is that they're a much more conscious type of state where you're aware of the surroundings and you're aware of yourself.
	As you slip into the theta, the boundaries of the ego disappear and the sensory information becomes irrelevant.
	You're not even You're not even aware of the environment you've turned in.
	And when that happens, when you've turned off the outside, then the inside information becomes most important.
	And that's when they started noticing, incidentally, that the subject was talking about stuff he shouldn't have known about, such as the tall man with the horn-rimmed glasses, who just walked into the control room Completely unknown by the subject, who was in a totally different room.
	Or another example of this might have been in this particular study that I read.
	The subject was in Theta, and they said, what do you see?
	And the subject said, well, I see a plant falling over a wall.
	And moments later, one of the techs comes back in and said, so and so, Upstairs on the third floor just dropped a plant over the wall.
	See?
	So they were getting all of this extrasensory information, and it was occurring in the theta state, this internalized state.
	Now, one thing that I came upon which was very interesting, and let's see, this is from the Albert Roy Davis Research Laboratory.
	And they talked about investigations towards the proof that the brain functions and emits frequencies much higher than those generally adopted.
	And I know you and I have talked about, well, you know, how does telepathy work?
	How does information get from, you know, One part of the country to another part or from two different floors, you know, like in this experiment that we're just talking about.
	How does that work?
	Beta, alpha, beta and delta are all 1 to 50 cycles per second brainwave frequencies.
	Right.
	If you look at an oscilloscope, for people who don't know what we're talking about, brainwaves are measured You know, in pulses like the frequencies of a violin string.
	So when you are in, for example, delta, you know, your brain waves are very slow.
	They're moving at maybe five cycles per second.
	Whereas if you're in beta or alpha, they're more in the 30, 40, 50 cycle per second.
	This is why bio-warfare people have experimented heavily and are experimenting heavily with
	generations of these frequencies aimed at biological entities in various ways and means.
	And they're using them as potential weapons.
	Do you know about that?
	Yes.
	You're talking about HAARP?
	Oh, HAARP is just one example.
	They're investigating all kinds of what they call non-lethal weapons, which transmit those frequencies and affect a person's ability to mentally function.
	Yes.
	Well, you know, the one thing this particular Davis Laboratory was finding, and they were talking about, well, you know, how is that even possible?
	And what they found was that When you're talking about the regular grain wave cycles of 1 to 50, you can't transmit data very far.
	It's like a 1 to 50, you can go about 200 feet and then it's dead.
	However, once you start stepping up the frequency, Okay.
	And they were talking about millions of cycles per second.
	You can then decrease the wattage and the frequency will then go much further.
	Right.
	So one of the experiments they did is they established radio communications in Baltimore, Maryland.
	And I believe they are in California.
	So they Holden, they were going to switch from their 50 watt, they were going to switch their 50 watt transmitter to one fourth of the wattage and then broadcast at 28 million cycles per second to see if they could see, receive the mini signal.
	Oh, they're in Florida.
	They're in Orange Park, Florida.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So they previously attempted using the one to 50 to 500 cycles per second and, uh, They could only send the signal like 200 feet.
	When they stepped it up to 28 million cycles per second, Baltimore said, yes, we receive your signal loud and clear using one-fourth the power.
	And then they tried it again using one-tenth of the power, one-tenth of a watt, and it was received when they went to 7 million cycles per second.
	What they were theorizing is that the telepathic, paranormal, precognitive types of things that the brain may very well be operating at, those types of cycles are not perceived by today's, or not looked at by today's brain measuring devices, but in fact the brain may very well be receiving and sending signals at this very high amount of cycles per second.
	That could easily, easily be true.
	Hold on right where you are.
	We'll be right back.
	Anyway, right now we're talking about the brain and I am also particularly interested in sensory deprivation.
	I really am quite tempted to give it a try.
	I would imagine that is exactly I think that is the key to success. I think that is the key
	to success. I think that is the key to success. I think that is the key to success.
	The brain and the body and you would begin to attempt to do things. You would internalize
	everything and begin to do things with your brain, with all you have available to you
	and that would be whatever senses were left within the body itself. I can see that you
	would mentally go to work on that. I can see how that would work and why people who are
	able to do those things, develop them.
	and In sensory deprivation, I would like to give it a try.
	Now, I think for some people it would be very dangerous, but if you went into it with a willing understanding of what you were attempting to do, it would probably be all right.
	I certainly wouldn't recommend it for anybody.
	Anyway, we're going to open up the phone lines.
	If you have questions about some of the things we've been discussing with Neil Slade, it
	would be a good time to call because we're going to open her up here in a moment.
	Cutting right to the chase here, Neil, do you think it possible that somebody could,
	in a group of people, for example, virtually conjure up a UFO?
	Is that a yes or no?
	Yes.
	And that was my experience.
	I thought you were going to say that.
	Again, after being poked fun at by Randy's group, I said, okay, I say you can see these things and make alien contact if you turn on your front porch.
	I'm going to do it.
	Stand in it, I'm going to do it.
	So it took me eight weeks and the way I did it on a couple of different levels.
	I did it using visualization which is a function of the frontal lobes.
	Every day I said to myself and I visualized with imagery seeing an object in the sky that was not a plane, that was not a balloon, that was not a bird.
	I went through all kinds of different scenarios.
	I'd be taking my dogs for a walk and I would visualize an object.
	The second thing I did, and I think this is pretty important, is I carried a camera around with me.
	If I walked outside my front door, I made sure I had a camera in my pocket, either a video camera or a still camera.
	I had a video camera.
	That I stuck under my car seat.
	In other words, it was part of the experiment.
	It was part of the experiment.
	You were waiting for this.
	I was waiting, and you know, I was kind of trying hard.
	You know what I mean?
	I was looking up.
	You know, most people, if they were to count up the amount of time they spend looking actually up into the sky, it probably wouldn't amount to one minute a week.
	Oh, that's right.
	That's correct.
	But every time I went outside, I was looking up.
	And Stan said to me, he says, they're up there.
	They're all over the place.
	You know, this is his feeling now, of course, since you've seen him so many times.
	He says, just look up.
	So I made a real effort and so I was focusing, deliberately focusing my consciousness up there.
	As it turns out, one day when it wasn't predominant in my mind, when I wasn't trying hard, in fact I didn't even have, you know, I've got these video cameras with these huge zoom lenses on them, right?
	You could count the wings on a dragonfly a mile away with these cameras.
	All I had with me on this one day was my little tiny Fuji three times zoom still camera.
	It wasn't the most foremost thing in my mind and I put the dogs in the car and I was going to drive a couple of miles down the road to the cemetery where I take them for a walk regularly.
	Then I'm driving down Harrison Street.
	Incidentally, a year ago I had a dream of seeing a UFO on this very street that I was driving down.
	Okay?
	And it was about a year ago, but it was on this street.
	I'm driving and, you know, the past several weeks I'd seen these little reflections of things up in the sky and I'd look and I'd say, oh, it's just the sun reflecting off An airplane or I'd see something and I'd track it and then it would kind of disappear.
	Once in a while I'd see it but nothing really.
	But that day I'm driving down the street and I see this little silver flash fly in front of my car.
	So I immediately poke my head out the window and I did have some little binoculars and I looked at them and I couldn't spot it.
	It just sort of disappeared.
	So it sort of got my curiosity picked.
	So I drive down the street and I don't see it anymore and then I get on this big busy street called Colorado Boulevard and I'm turning left on the 6th Avenue here so I'm waiting.
	I'm stopped in traffic of six lanes in traffic and I look out my window and I see this bright star hanging in the sky at 3.30 in the afternoon.
	I say, wait, that doesn't make any sense.
	There's no stars out at 3.30 in the afternoon.
	Now, you know how bright this thing must have been to catch my attention?
	Well, I do, or better yet, if you'll go to his website, don't look at the videos there.
	We already have those.
	But go all the way to the very bottom of the page, you'll see a still photograph of what he took.
	Yes, on the UFOs, too.
	picture and I immediately pulled over.
	It's on the second page actually.
	You go all the way to the bottom and then page two or whatever.
	Yes.
	You know, to me though, I've got to admit to you, it looks as though it could be a daytime picture of the moon.
	Well, you have my, my, you know, photographs and video can always be faked.
	But the real important thing is, is always that Now, people can say I'm lying.
	Well, in that case, why believe anything I say?
	But what I did was I pulled over and I saw this, it looked like a very bright star in
	the afternoon sky, absolutely rigid, motionless, like a star.
	I watched it for about 10 or 15 minutes.
	I also went to the bus stop where there were six people waiting for the bus.
	I said, do you see this thing?
	He said, oh, am I crazy?
	And they looked at me, and they said, oh, that's just a star or a satellite.
	And I said, no, there's no stars out in the middle of the afternoon, and satellites move.
	I just want to know if you see it.
	So, you know, and they're looking at me like I'm crazy.
	And they all said, well, yeah.
	You know, like, what?
	Are you crazy, you know?
	So I got out my camera and I took about ten pictures at four megapixels and then I decided well you know what I'm going to run home now.
	I was about ten minutes away from getting my big powerful camera and come back and take a picture of it.
	So I ran home frantically you know like oh this thing I hope it doesn't disappear by the time I get there.
	Get back to the spot I knew exactly to the inch where I was standing and the thing had was gone.
	At no trace whatsoever.
	So the first thing I do is I come home and I'm looking around and there's some more people at the bus stop and I say, do you see anything?
	Am I missing something?
	And they're all saying, no, there's nothing up there.
	So I have a star chart program on my computer.
	So I turn that on and I get that portion of the sky, just on the off chance there's some planet or star.
	Absolutely nothing in that quadrant of the sky except some like nebula that you couldn't see unless it was like a totally dark sky.
	Absolutely nothing.
	But the evidence that without your trying you conjured that up is at best circumstantial.
	I mean at best.
	I would say.
	Well, either you believe me and you believe that my photo is of what I saw.
	Oh, your photo is your photo.
	But I mean, that you conjured this up, that could be a reach.
	I mean, it just could be that, as you pointed out, people... Oh, am I responsible for creating this thing out there?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, number one, if I created it, then the other ten people who also saw it also saw my creation.
	Right.
	I'm not claiming that I did create it.
	I'm saying You know, in terms of what UFOs are, they may be a manifestation of the subconscious.
	And this is what Carl Jung said.
	This isn't my idea.
	No, I happen to agree with that.
	I was just saying, you didn't necessarily create it, did you?
	Oh, no, I don't take credit for it.
	But, you know, I saw it.
	There was something about my intent to see a UFO that I believe and my own brain self-control that allowed that possibility that opened me up to that universe.
	All right, listen, I want to take some calls.
	We've got to do that.
	We've got people waiting to speak.
	Certainly.
	All right, then here they are.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Neil Slade.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi, my name is Satyartha.
	Yes, sir.
	And first of all, I want to thank you for opening your world up to Many of us that are so desperately hungry for truth and I want to say that I was in my car driving in Kentucky and I was listening to Mr. Slate's description of how to click forward and I am a practitioner of Kriya Yoga and I have for many years been
	A practitioner of a discipline that accesses deep states of meditation and what I've experienced lately since 9-11 is it has been more difficult for me personally to access those states and I've had to question that very deeply.
	Interesting question in general.
	Do you think, Neil, that an event of that magnitude would tend to remove people from
	a deeper sort of meditative thought process and bring them to the surface so hard that
	they simply wouldn't get into that zone where they need to be to have the kind of things
	that we've been talking about tonight occur?
	Oh, yeah.
	And that's exactly...
	I mean, the amygdala is directly responsible for that.
	One thing the amygdala does is it causes the brain to respond in self-defense when it perceives
	a threat.
	So when people turn on the TV and see bombs in Afghanistan and people with sneaker explosives
	and planes crashing, the amygdala automatically is programmed to send...
	I did a survey on my email list and I have an email list and we're getting near 5,000 people on it now and I said, what concerns you most these days?
	and with, oh my God, anthrax and, oh my God, my family is in danger, I'm in danger, our
	country is at war.
	You've got it.
	That's a definite switch back.
	I did a survey on my email list and I have an email list and we're getting near 5,000
	people on it now and I said, what concerns you most these days?
	And I listed a whole bunch of things.
	The two things that came up was money, which is always a concern with people I think, and
	The amygdala is what, when it's clicked backwards, turns on fear, and when it's clicked forwards, it turns off fear.
	Now, a very interesting thing I came across when studying the biofeedback and Dr. Green and Swami Rama was that when people are unconscious, of things that the body is doing. Much of what the body
	does is on an unconscious level.
	We don't have control over those things that we are unconscious of. Most of us don't have
	control of our heart rate or our brain waves or the blood flow because we are just not
	conscious of those mechanisms. What biofeedback does is it amplifies the feedback and makes
	is conscious of those things we are presently.
	When you become conscious of those deeper levels of mechanism, then you can exercise control.
	It is the first stage of control.
	Becoming conscious.
	Now, if you are unconscious of the mechanisms for fear in the brain, if you are unconscious of an amygdala, and you are unconscious of the red powder, you don't have
	control over it. However, when you suddenly become conscious of that mechanism and where
	that mechanism is, you then gain control over it. That's why I believe we see such amazing
	responses from people who are just learning very basically what the amygdala does and
	where it's located.
	All of a sudden, they have control over their fear and instead of being clicked backwards... Maybe so, but I'll tell you something.
	If you're really thinking white powder may become sailing out of the sky from some damn crop duster and everybody near you is going to drop dead, you're clicked backwards and unless you're the Swami, whoever, You're not going to be able to keep in control of that.
	Your fight or flight is going to take over big time.
	Yes.
	And that's what happened September 11th.
	So since then, I'm sure there has been an awful lot of backwards clicked amygdalas.
	Absolutely.
	That was the basis of the question.
	I think that's the answer.
	Wild Card Lion, you're on the air with Neil Slade.
	Hello.
	Hi Neil, I was wondering the mechanism for this event that has happened in my lifetime.
	We might be getting close to a break.
	I don't know if I have time to go through it, but I was in Milwaukee at the time going to school and we were studying interior design.
	As I was reading through this book, sitting on my bed in an apartment, there was a dresser on the left hand side of me and the door to my room was on the right hand side and there was a hallway that led to the door on the outside
	down this hallway behind me.
	The mechanism I'm talking about was I'm focusing on this book and I'm getting so excited about
	reading something that had everything to do with a recurring dream I had when I was seven.
	Having to do with a castle and interior design stuff that was exciting me about 15 years ago.
	Really quick, really quick.
	Okay, so I was focusing on my cigarettes and then there was a knock on the door
	and as I turned my head toward the doorway the cigarettes flew across the room and hit
	the wall on the other side. Oh, hold it, hold it, hold it.
	We'll hold you on the line.
	That earned you getting held over.
	Alright?
	Stay right there.
	You too, Neil.
	I'm Mark Bell.
	Over High Desert, this is Coast to Coast AM.
	I really would like to see something fly across the room.
	Wouldn't you?
	We'll be right back.
	Alright, once again, Neil Slade, and because of what this lady said at the very end, I
	really got to explore this a little bit.
	You said a pack of cigarettes flew across the room?
	Yes, and it seems whenever I have uncontrolled telekinesis, things happen to me.
	Things happen on the left side, as if my Right brain had something to do with it.
	I don't know.
	How many things like this have happened to you in your life?
	Well, actually, most things happen when I get emotional.
	Things will fall off shelves and computers will go down.
	And they can't figure out what's wrong with them.
	They think I touch them, but I don't.
	The black widow of IBM.
	Okay.
	So, Neil, have you ever observed anything of that magnitude?
	I've had a watch that appeared where it shouldn't have appeared.
	The one thing it reminds me of, since we're heavy on Swami Rama tonight, is he stated that when he was challenged, when someone stirred up his emotions, this is what gave him the psychic energy very often to do many of these feats. If he was blase about something,
	then it was much harder for him to call these things up. So I think there is something to
	the idea that emotional energy is a very potent force. This lady obviously doesn't have
	control of that particular expression of the emotional energy, but I see the connection there. It
	happens when she is emotionally charged rather than when she is just kind of laid back.
	Well, I investigate ghosts a lot and I talk to a lot of ghost investigators and every single one of them will tell you that young teenage girls have more incidence of poltergeist activity and a general paranormal activity surrounding them than any other demographic group in the world.
	Young teenage girls, hormones racing, emotional as hell, just every which way but loose, right?
	At a certain age, even boys can to some degree empathize with that period of time.
	And apparently this energy produces Paranormal events in the immediate area of these people.
	You know about that?
	No.
	This is the first time I've heard it.
	It does seem to me more likely that females being of the emotional, more non-verbal, right-brained type of situation.
	Well, that's an area you should be looking into, trust me.
	Sure.
	This would be more likely to happen in those kind of circumstances.
	It would bolster some of your arguments, and what I'm telling you is absolutely true.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Neil Slade.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, Neil, I'm seeing your star.
	Uh, during the daylight hours.
	But my question is, is there any way that you could stimulate your brain artificially?
	Well, sure.
	There's drugs?
	No, no, no.
	Electric, like maybe electricity.
	Uh-huh.
	I have one of them massage things.
	Uh-huh.
	And sometimes I put them to my temples and just barely turn it on.
	And what happens?
	I do it just to clear thoughts in my head and it works for you.
	The brain is a physical organ and it's going to respond to physical manipulation the same as any other Part of the body.
	Surgeons use electric probes to discover what parts of the brain are active and what parts are damaged and so on and so forth.
	I would think the type of massage device that you're talking about would have an effect not only on the muscles external to the cranium but probably would be causing, could cause some Other kinds of results within the brain as well.
	Yeah, I can already see a product here, a helmet, a brain massager.
	Well, you know, they have developed helmets that you wear that have magnetic currents flowing through them and there have been some very good evidence That this has a good result on all kinds of mental functions.
	I don't have a lot of information on that, but I have seen some of that evidence.
	Magnetic current and probably all kinds of electronic current would have effects on the brain.
	We don't understand it completely at this point.
	It seems a very high likelihood that in the future we will be harnessing that kind of energy to do specific things.
	Let me ask you, since we're on the subject, electroshock therapy, it's a massive dose of what we're discussing right now.
	It's generally used in psychiatric cases where all else has failed.
	They've tried just about everything in the book.
	Nothing works.
	And contrary to what a lot of people think, occasionally electroshock therapy appears, Neil, and I've seen it happen personally, so I know it's true.
	It takes somebody who is apparently psychotic, lost, maybe even dying, and somehow rewires what's going on in the brain.
	You hear a lot of stories, horror stories, about electroshock therapy, but I tell you, I've seen miracles occur as well.
	What I'm familiar with, it's not used too terribly frequently.
	It's used in cases where, as you said, nothing else seems to work.
	That's right.
	The effects seem to be temporary, however.
	I'm aware of one absolutely permanent fix.
	I would say that's probably the exception to the rule.
	One of the reasons why it's not so widely used is that generally it's a temporary fix and it needs to be repeated.
	Other things can be done if other things can be done.
	I recently saw some information by a fellow who wrote about temporal seizures in the brain.
	This was describing a patient who had internal seizures which are a very sudden release of
	electrical current within the brain generated by the brain itself.
	But what happened after the seizures in the temporal lobe epilepsy is the patient has
	this type of revelation, the I see God, the unity with the universe.
	So a similar type of thing might be happening in the electroshock therapy patient where
	releases or makes connections with the brain that actually create this feeling of calmness
	and feeling that everything is okay.
	Getting over on the other side of the argument I made a little while ago, which is a place I don't really want to be, but nevertheless I've got to consider it.
	As you point out, scientists have been able to, actually they claim, simulate the near-death
	experience or the epiphany or the, I don't know what you want to call it, but they can
	stimulate the brain in such a way that people have this joyful, life-changing experience
	that many who have had near-death experiences come and talk about on this program.
	Yeah.
	Scientists have been able to duplicate that.
	Now that might suggest that it's all in our brains, that there is nothing external.
	Trouble is, there's a lot of evidence to indicate there is.
	I'm just sort of making this argument that if scientists can duplicate this, then what's
	so special?
	Well, it indicates that the feelings that we have certainly exist within the brain,
	but it doesn't really say anything about what exists outside of the brain.
	That's true, but most people who have this epiphany attribute it to something outside
	of their own brain.
	They think that they have seen God or the eternity or have a sudden understanding of the one-inch equation that explains it all.
	That sort of experience.
	I think it's kind of an unanswerable question in a way.
	What I was going to say was that we perceive that we are seeing things outside of the body when we say, look at a flower.
	But we're not really seeing the flower.
	We're seeing an image of the flower inside the brain.
	Right.
	How do we know that that flower exists or does not exist outside the brain?
	We really don't.
	So it's kind of like saying, well, if someone feels as though they are I don't have a lot of time here.
	Well, they are in their brain. It doesn't necessarily affirm or not affirm whether or
	not that God exists outside the brain. But it may affirm that there is in fact what
	one person calls a God part of the brain. Yes.
	Yes? Sure, sure.
	Okay, I'm putting up a lot of time here. West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Neil
	Slade. Hello. Hey, good morning, Art.
	Good morning, sir.
	First, if you don't mind, if I could answer the last caller's question.
	He should try some gemstones or some quartz crystal, and the reason why they work is because they electromagnetically induce a voltage into the body, which forces the body to tune itself to the frequency of the quartz.
	And the reason I called was because I'm interested, Neil, in your opinion about the nature of reality.
	Have you ever read any of the books by Carlos Castaneda?
	Oh, sure.
	Decades ago.
	When they came out new, I read them.
	Awesome.
	I've been around for a while.
	As to what you think about his concept that everything really is outside of us and that we create what we see.
	We create our version of reality.
	It kind of fits in with your UFO experience, for instance, and maybe a few other things.
	I think it's really a mixture.
	You know, when I looked up at the sky, I saw, and still believe, I saw a non-man-made object that was neither a celestial object nor a man-made object.
	I saw something I could not explain.
	On the other hand, the person next to me at the bus stop thought they were seeing a star.
	Now, they will probably die thinking that they saw a star or satellite.
	So in their brain, they have one There is one universe that they are living in, but in my brain there is another universe that I am equally convinced that exists.
	Which is the real reality?
	I think there is, what reality is, a lot of it is the construct inside our head.
	But at the same time, two people walking up and petting a dog will both have agreement
	that there is this dog that exists outside of themselves.
	So there is also this external reality.
	So it's a fluid mixture of both and I don't think you can necessarily pin it down as the
	universe being all inside our skull or all outside our skull.
	But that's exactly the argument.
	And that was the construct of his book.
	His book was that we are in agreement that this is a dog.
	We are in agreement that this is a sofa.
	This is this.
	And so that's what creates that in the first place is our agreement that this is the way
	it is.
	And when perhaps we change our agreement, then it changes itself also.
	And that might be the nature of magic itself.
	The fact is that there was something in the sky.
	We may not be in agreement as to what it was, but you created that, if you follow what I'm saying, there was something there.
	Sure, but as far as that's concerned, I may have also created the person at the bus stop.
	Maybe I'm just watching a movie in which there's only one person and that's That's me and everything else is just an illusion.
	It's a very big question.
	What is reality?
	We don't have a lot of time.
	Neil, I want to at least get a plug in for you one way or the other.
	Do you have any books out you would like to plug?
	We have a slew of books.
	We have a slew of books. I've been writing books since 1989.
	The first main brain book, if people want to learn fun, and I mean fun and satisfying
	ways of turning on their infinite brain power, which everybody has, I recommend the Frontal
	Lobes Supercharged book, which is all of 1494, and it comes with a CD, a 70-minute audio
	I don't care.
	CD.
	That's a lot for $14.94.
	A University of Colorado professor told me I'm selling my stuff too cheap, but I said,
	you know, I want everybody to get this information and I don't need to get rich off it.
	So that's the first book.
	If you don't have any brain books, get that one.
	Where do you get it?
	You can call the toll-free number and you can order on the phone.
	Okay, what is that?
	That's 1-888-331-7589.
	If you want more, there's actually a complete brain book and music set, which is like 10
	hours of audio book and brain music and three books.
	We have five books total.
	So you can go on the website and read about those, or you can order on the phone or through the mail, just by calling... Alright, I should have let you plug that earlier.
	1-888-331-7589.
	One more time.
	888-331-7589. One more time, 1-888-331-7589. Neil, why is music so powerful?
	1-888-331-7589.
	I don't know. It's been, you know...
	I think we've historically known it for centuries.
	Music does something to the brain.
	It transcends our logic and it goes directly to some higher facilities of the brain.
	And actually, what we know in terms of brain measuring devices now is that music is computed In the frontal lobes, which is the most advanced part of the brain.
	So when you listen to music, you're stimulating, you're communicating with the most advanced part of your brain.
	Animals, as a rule, don't understand music because they don't have the big frontal lobes like humans do.
	Oh, but you know, Neil.
	Not to the degree.
	You know, I have seen animals It's great.
	I spent a lot of time trying to compose and record music that really stimulates those advanced parts of the brain.
	They are little frontal lobes.
	It's just that music is incredibly powerful.
	It's great.
	I spend a lot of time trying to compose and record music that really stimulates those
	advanced parts of the brain.
	That's what I refer to when we talk about brain music.
	It's funny though, for some people, and we could spend another show on this, Willie Nelson
	stimulates their frontal lobes.
	For other people, music like I have laying under you right now stimulates their frontal
	lobes.
	This is true.
	So it's a very powerful, very little understood thing, and so is a lot of what you've been talking about, but it's been fun.
	Thank you so much.
	Thanks, Art.
	It's a pleasure, every time.
	We'll do it again soon.
	All right.
	Night, night.
	From the high desert, everybody, I am Art Bell.
	Tomorrow night, cloning.

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