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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Robert W. Morgan - Bigfoot

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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest.
		Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, whatever the case may be in all 24 time zones covered now by this program.
		I'm Art Bell, and the program, of course, is Coast to Coast AM.
		What have you?
		Well, I see that our president is planning to announce in several days that the U.S. is going to get out the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, which means to me we are going to be building anti-ballistic missiles.
		Now, it is required that we give Russia six months' notice before hacking a deal.
		With this decision, the President takes the first step toward developing an anti-missile system that he says will protect the U.S. and its allies from missiles fired by rogue nations.
		Russia and the U.S. have warned Bush that withdrawing may trigger a nuclear arms race.
		Now, that's interesting, and I suppose if you put yourself in the shoes of the Russians or the Chinese, they don't necessarily have the technical capability to build an anti-missile system, but they do have nuclear weapons perched at the end of ballistic missiles.
		So there's a little bit of danger window here, because if you've got them, if you figure the U.S. is going to be able to successfully build a shield, then of course if you've got them, you better use them or you'll lose them.
		That certainly would be one mode of thinking if you put yourself in the enemy's, the potential opposition's shoes.
		He corrects himself.
		So, I don't know.
		Good idea, bad idea, what do you think?
		The Toribora area, U.S. B-52s are just bombing the hell out of Toribora.
		They believe that Al-Qaeda top dogs and maybe even Osama hisself, himself, may be there.
		A lot of confusion at this hour in Toribora because there was an initial report that the Al-Qaeda forces were surrendering.
		They had been given a deadline and they were surrendering.
		And now that report appears to be at this hour in question, so nobody knows for sure.
		But if they don't, of course, the B-52s will crank back up again.
		You'll probably see a bunch of bunker busters go off and all hell break loose.
		Otherwise, we'll just have to wait and see.
		Confusion always in situations of war.
		Senators, who apparently have had the opportunity to review the videotaped presentation of Osama bin Laden whooping it up over the September 11th attacks, are saying when it is released, and they're thinking that it may be released very shortly, next day or two, it's going to convince all of us that he is the one who was responsible for those attacks.
		They find him grinning and marveling at the destruction and death of the 11th.
		We could see it perhaps as early as tomorrow.
		And in the first criminal indictment stemming from what happened September 11th, federal prosecutors today charged a French Moroccan man who, get this, was in jail a month before the attacks with conspiring with Osama bin Laden to murder thousands in the suicide hijackings.
		It's a 30-page indictment.
		Federal agents seized computers in 27 cities today.
		They went a hacker hunting and they found them.
		27 U.S. cities where people are putting copyrighted software, Microsoft Windows and all that sort of thing, up on the internet for all who would download it.
		Operation Buccaneer, you get the pirate quotation there, right?
		Operation Buccaneer was directed at 62 people in Australia, Finland, England, Norway, and right here in the good old US of A. Federal Reserve cut the interest rate a quarter point today and everybody went.
		Didn't impress anybody.
		The other news.
		You're not going to believe this.
		But the security guards at Area 51, known affectionately and not so affectionately as camo dudes, C-A-M-O camo dudes, walked off their jobs Monday in Las Vegas at the covert military installation known as Area 51, a place they said they can't talk about.
		The union president Vernon Hall said, when asked about where he worked as he and more than a dozen other striking security officers displayed on-strike signs on Haven Street near McCarran International Airport, quote, use your imagination.
		Where do I work?
		Use your imagination.
		That is where nondescript passenger jets known only as Janet planes very routinely take the guards and other workers to the installation on the dry bed of Groom Lake, 90 miles north of Las Vegas, a place they referred to only as nowhere, in quotes, and, in quotes, out of town.
		Hall, leader of the Security Police Association of Nevada, an in-house collective bargaining unit, said the association's members decided to go on strike after three months of negotiations for a new contract with their employer, EGNGE.
		Said the issues include lack of adequate wages and benefits and time and Oh, let us think about this.
		The people who guard Area 51 are on strike.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I've known a lot of people who have tried to get close to Area 51.
		There are certain mountaintops and areas where one can get a glimpse, but inevitably you are harassed by camo dudes.
		By the way, that name comes from the camouflage stuff they wear when they're working.
		And they'll find you.
		I mean, you know, you'll see vehicles approaching and they will scare the you-know-what out of you.
		They'll get you out of there.
		And actually, it is an area where, you know, if you decide to violate the security, you can be shot dead.
		But now that they're on strike, you might imagine that anybody who was thinking of trying to get into the installation to see what's going on during this period of time decide to take advantage of the strike and take a stroll in there.
		A lot of stories about people who have made it into the area.
		People who have flown over the area.
		Not a good thing to do, by the way.
		And then when you do land, if you don't get shot down, you are, you know, you're talked to for a long time.
		Tonight, we're going to be doing something on Bigfoot.
		Tomorrow night, we're going to be doing something on Under the Earth.
		I think you're going to find that really interesting.
		A Native American tomorrow night.
		Listen to this.
		Good day to you.
		I was up visiting your site.
		This is a Native American writing this, and I was amazed at some of the drawings on shadow people.
		Others have sent to you.
		I'm Cherokee, part Irish, considered a shadow walker.
		And I'm sure there are others out there just like me.
		If you meet any, and by the way, looking at the drawings on your site, now I'm sure of it.
		There are different types of walkers out here, though.
		But with what your listeners are drawing, it appears about 75% of them are seeing shadow walkers.
		Shadow walking is kind of like astral travel, just a lot more intense.
		It can be done while awake, which most will, for example, do it unknowingly while they're sleeping.
		It's hard to explain.
		But to give an example of this gift, it's like extremely strong, vivid visualization.
		I say vivid because you're able to touch, feel, and interact with other beings on different planes.
		But I feel it's really intended to help or protect others, never meant harm or scare.
		So your listeners could be seeing another type of shadow person too.
		Skinwalkers, for example.
		They pretty much look like a shadow walker, but to the natives, they mean trouble.
		These walkers are considered shadow stealers.
		According to the elders, once you are attacked by a skinwalker, there is nothing you can do to stop it.
		But no one has told me what may happen if you're attacked by one.
		It does at times seem like something from a Twilight Zone.
		But believe me, it's very real.
		We do exist.
		We do exist.
		And there's a lot more to this story, but later.
		Namaste Art.
		Let's find Shadow Bear.
		Thought that was pretty interesting.
		It would resonate with quite a few of you out there.
		Ms. Steve, writes Steve, logically.
		And I've only listened to your show for about 30 minutes ever last night, though.
		For some reason, I tuned into your show by accident talking about entity attacks by shadow people.
		And I'm a person, Art, who refuses to believe anything that sounds that crazy.
		I'm what you might refer to as a skeptics skeptics.
		A skeptics skeptic, which is why I'm writing to you now.
		I think that I may have been experiencing something very similar to what your audience has recounted.
unidentified		My experience took place about two days ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was in the hospital with my wife because our one-month-old daughter was admitted due to a high fever she had.
		Well, about 11 p.m.
		When I pulled out the recliner that is provided in the room and converted it to my bed for the night, I was asleep on my belly dreaming about various things that are currently too faded to recount.
		What I can recall vividly during my dream, I had become aware of my surroundings.
		Almost simultaneously, I felt an evil presence in the room.
		I was frozen with fear and didn't move a muscle, hoping it was just a bad dream.
		All of a sudden, I felt the mattress sink in as if someone had knelt on it.
unidentified		Oh, God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I then, he goes on, really panicked, but was still paralyzed.
		What came next really left an impression on me.
		It happened so quickly, frightening.
		I saw two black, featureless hands and arms grab each of mine and felt a body lay on top of mine.
		When this happened, I was engulfed by this infinite blackness and impeded any movement or breathing.
		I instantly thought, oh God, I have just died.
		This is what it is to be dead.
		And I began to mourn the fact that I would never see my family again.
		Just as I was giving into the situation, I thought to myself, that if I'm able to think that I am not dead at all, if I can think I'm not dead, I'm not dead at all.
		I then began to attempt to shake my head and succeeded.
		When I was able to move, I was released immediately from its grasp and felt as if I had woken from a deep sleep.
		Looked around for any sign of the being and found nothing.
		I thought it kind of amazing that this topic came up on your show just days after my experience.
		And I guess this man now wants a skeptic, he said, is something of a believer.
		Things erupting from the earth in strange places.
		Very strange places indeed.
		If you listen very carefully, that's the topic coming up in a moment.
unidentified		Groan
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		It's way out there.
		The Catholic Church a few years ago came out with a report that the belief in extraterrestrial life does not negate one's belief system in God.
		I found that fascinating, didn't you?
		This is something that is certainly a very plausible event, but nevertheless, what we're saying is it is the setup for the Antichrist.
		And we had better wake up because if we don't, we are going to find ourselves part of that alien agenda.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11, 2001.
		Now, guess what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Today, KNYE, my radio station here in Prompt 95.1 on the FM dial, got in its t-shirts.
		That's right, remade T-shirts.
		And if you would like to see it, if you'll look at my webcam right now, artbell.com, in the webcam photo, you'll see me proudly wearing my new t-shirt, my 95.1 KNYE t-shirt.
		We also got, kind of cool, we got bumper stickers that we're going to begin to give away.
		We've got coffee mugs coming and all kinds of goodies.
		They're on the way.
		But if you'll take a look at my webcam, you will see our logo on my t-shirt.
		I love black t-shirts.
		I've always loved, and I hate white t-shirts.
		For camera stuff, if you take a picture of a white t-shirt, it looks like a white blur.
unidentified		It's awful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But black t-shirts, on the other hand, I don't know.
		It's just something about them.
		What's coming out of the Earth that ought not be?
		Or maybe it is normal.
		There's a big Arctic eruption going on at the Gackle Ridge.
		And they've got magma coming up from the Earth's mantle.
		It's said to be rather exciting to be the first scientist to observe a volcanic eruption in an ultra-slow-spreading mid-ocean ridge, an event in and of itself that rarely occurs.
		Even better is discovering that the USS Hawkbill, which is a submarine equipped with scientific mapping tools, just happened to have been passing by at the same time and recorded the whole event, while the scientists on board were completely unaware of the eruption.
		Intense seismic activity began at Gackle Ridge in January of 1999 and continued for seven months.
		The Gackle Ridge, again the slowest spreading ridge in the world, located in the Arctic basin.
		Initial reports suggest, such as one rather, published on February 15th in Nature, have sparked much interest in the area, culminating in the recent excursion of the U.S. Coast Guard icebreaker, Healy.
		So they're really, really interested in what might be going on, or what is, correction, is going on, beneath the frigid waters of the Arctic.
		The subs up there.
		I've got a kind of an interesting story here about cell phones.
		You know, cell phones are not my favorite thing in the world.
		And now, maybe I like them even less.
		The article says it's from Reuters News, and an expert has been quoted as saying that cell phones are spooking ghosts.
		Mobile phones are killing off ghosts, according to a British expert who spent years researching the occult on Sunday, said on Sunday, Tony Cornell of the Society for Psychic Research told the Sunday Express newspaper that reports of ghost sightings had begun to actually decline.
		And when did it happen?
		When mobile phones were introduced 15 years ago.
		So there is the possibility, the possibility, that microwaves at about that frequency affect ghostly entities.
		So, you know, suggesting this story might have something to it, if one of you out there, or many of you, are haunted by some sort of entity, you might want to have the cell phone near your bed.
		And if something begins to approach in the night, as we heard in that email I read a moment ago, you might just want to pop your cell phone on and, I don't know, call some kind of number, and perhaps the radiation will save you or scare away whatever it is.
		According to the newspaper, haunted tourist attractions in Britain could be in trouble because the ghosts are going because of cell phones.
		They could be under threat if the number of cell phones continues to grow from the present figure of 39 million.
		Apparently, paranormal events, which some scientists put down to unusual electrical activity, could be perhaps drowned out by the electronic noise produced by phone calls and text messages.
		Now, isn't that interesting?
		Paranormal events, which some scientists put down to unusual electrical activity, could be drowned out by the electronic noise produced by cell phones and or computers of varying sorts.
		So in other words, in one way, if you think about it, the more technical we become, the more technical society becomes, the less subject to paranormal events it may be.
		And maybe with all the electronics, we're just not listening for things from the other side.
		We're so consumed with things from this side all the time, right?
		Could be.
		Anyway, that's what the British experts think.
unidentified		We're scaring away the ghosts with cell phones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		In the nighttime, the trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
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		made it in Some velvet morning when I'm straight Flowers growing on a hill Dragons flies and die for deer
		From us very much Look at us but do not touch Phaedra is my name Some velvet morning when I'm straight
		winner You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time tonight featuring Coast to Coast a.m. from December 11th 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning from the high desert.
		Our lines are open.
		Phaedra.
		You like that name, Phaedra?
		I do too.
		We're going to do open lines and then top of the hour, we're going to be talking with Robert Morgan.
unidentified		The Bigfoot researcher, Robert Morgan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I think I've got a couple of surprises lined up for you.
unidentified		you you're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11th 2001 On the first time caller line, you are on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
		Going twice.
		Gone.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		This is Julie from Kansas City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing, Julie?
unidentified		Well, and how are you?
		Okay.
		I was wondering if it's just me or if anybody else has noticed that on all the commercials and TV lately we have these alien commercials and they're like trying to get us used to them.
		And so we don't notice, like they're integrating them into society so they'll just, in the future, they'll be like our buddies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely no question about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that one day if we do hear about aliens arriving or see it on the nightly news with Mr. Brookhaw, it will not be such a shock to us because we've been seeing it in movies and television and hearing about it on my program.
unidentified		And it's really gotten bad in commercials.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there's a reason for all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think you're right.
unidentified		I was just wondering if anybody else had noticed that but me.
unidentified		How long do you think it's going to take before that happens, five, ten years?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean before we get an official visit?
unidentified		Or before we get officially that they're around us and we're not supposed to even notice them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, that could be.
		They could be around us.
		There is a large group of people.
		There are many who believe that they are here now.
		That they are all among us right now.
		Now, I don't know if I'm one of those people.
		Well, I might be.
		And as far as when we will be first officially visited, I don't know.
		I really don't know.
		However, if you take the crop circles in Great Britain, the most recent ones, the face, the glyph into consideration, then it might be getting pretty close.
		Because it's gone from a sort of, with crop circles, a sort of, hey, guess what this is, folks, to more of a, here's what this is, folks.
		And I suppose the next step, obviously, from there would be some sort of presence or arrival.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Top of the morning to you.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Hey, I want to ask you, if anybody out there, any of the experts on Champ, Lake Champaign, if there's any kind of a pattern for him when he shows up in the summertime, because my family and I would like to go, you know, just a camp, stay like it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When, when, when, who shows up, sir?
unidentified		Champ, the Lake Monster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not intimately familiar with Champ, so is there a schedule for Champ?
unidentified		It seems like in the summertime there's more sightings, and I was kind of curious this past summer if there was any kind of, if any of your listeners.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, I'm not even familiar with Champ.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does Champ look like?
unidentified		I believe he, have you ever heard of Caddy?
		Hmm.
		Off the, he's off the West Coast?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Ogopogo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, try and, give me a visual of, if I were to see Champ face to, Well, there's two, Smout or whatever.
unidentified		There's two, two species they believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That they've seen.
		One looks like the classic Loch Ness monster type, and I believe a woman took a picture in 1976.
		Massey took a picture of one, of it.
		And then the other one is, it's supposed to be a primitive whale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then slightly reminiscent of, well, a sea serpent, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sort of reminiscent vaguely of a serpent and a little bit of dinosaur thrown in, huh?
unidentified		Right.
		The American Indians and, well, the individual that discovered Lake Champaign, explorers and stuff, it's been recorded all through history.
		But there's, it seems to me that there's like a pattern when this thing shows up.
		But now, you know, the lake is open to the ocean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it may well be that Champ comes and goes as Champ pleases.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
unidentified		Maybe breeding, or it comes in there, you know, for certain reasons in the summertime.
		And that's when it seems to have, they have the highest sightings, is around July and August.
		I was wondering if anybody really knew if there was a pattern.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you, are you looking to be in the company of Champ?
unidentified		Well, I'd like to, we'd like to camp up there, you know, like Port Henry.
		That's supposed to be a real hot spot for him.
		And I knew an Onondaga Indian, actual Indian, who had seen Champ by bald eyeballs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you do want a meeting then, don't you?
unidentified		I don't know if I want to meet him right up close.
unidentified		I just want to take a look at him at a distance, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, one thing's for sure.
		If it's meeting time, you don't want to get in the way of Mr. Champ and potential Mrs. Champ.
		That wouldn't be good.
unidentified		No, but I was just wondering if anybody out there, any experts this past summer, if there's been any.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right, well, you've asked enough.
		They'll answer, I'm sure.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		I'm sure those of you who know something about Champ and Lake Champlain would be able to answer that question.
		We are going to be talking about, I don't know, what is Bigfoot, you know?
		What is Bigfoot?
		Is Bigfoot a monster?
		Is Bigfoot a dimensional being?
		bigfoot simply something that has been here all the time or much longer than we have and continues to exist in a sort of an interesting existence one that is neither fully here nor fully there because of the nature of sightings and the fact that we don't have any bodies yet west of the rockies you're on the air hello yes art art yes yeah Bob in L.A. Yes, Bob.
unidentified		When you and Linda and the other people start talking about that city off the coast of Cuba, I broke out my Reader's Digest, Great World Atlas, and I was starting to look at Cuba.
		And then my eyes passed up to the page previous to that on Mexico and the Yucatan Peninsula.
		And something struck my eye.
		About 50 miles off the coast of Mexico in the Yucatan Peninsula, there's a perfect circle, a 375-mile diameter circle, that's centered about 93 degrees and 40 minutes west latitude and about 21 degrees and 30 minutes north latitude.
		Now, at one time, they had postulated that about 50 million years ago, a huge meteor struck the Earth, and that's the center of the Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Made that circle, yes.
unidentified		Right, that's possibly what sunk, you know, or the dinosaurs.
		Now, if you look at the Gulf of Mexico, I don't think the Gulf of Mexico was there at that time.
		Because if you track, if the meteor struck there, and you track it, the Gulf of Mexico, to the northeast, it heads right up towards the Bermuda Triangle.
		Now, if that meteor entered into the Earth, and they say some postulate that it actually penetrated the Earth's crust, now that would have left a huge open borehole right down through there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		Now, you move forward about 49,990,000 years, and here we are.
		And all of a sudden, you have people there, and it had subsided, the water came in, or there was just land there.
		And we had another cataclysmic event happen, and that particular area sank 1,200 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is as good a guess, sir, as any, or as good a scenario as any.
		Right now, everybody is predictably in an uproar.
		As I read you last night, some British scientists are all upset about Paulina Zelitsky's find, and they don't like it.
		They don't want to hear about it.
		They don't want to think that everything they have thought previously could be all wrong, and they could be all wet.
		And, you know, there could have been people running around on Earth long before any of them said it could be.
		What kind of tragedy, a personal one, for them would that be, a very serious one?
		So they have puffed and puffed and blown at Ms. Zelitsky's house, but she said, look, it's just fact.
		You know, you're not here in Cuba.
		You're in Great Britain.
		And so what the hell do you know?
		We have fact here.
		And we can prove what we're saying.
		So I guess the report so long ago was right.
		The ones affected most negatively by change of any sort, aliens arriving, Earth's history, man's history, the ones who will be affected in the most negative, dire way will be the scientists who have postulated their theories as fact about when man first walked and all the rest of it.
		I mean, they're going to be so, so upset.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		This is Michael from Bakersfield.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Michael.
unidentified		I noticed you had, about two years ago, you had a guest on named Reverend Andre Schlesinger from the Church of Satan in San Francisco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember, yes.
unidentified		And at the end of the show, you said you were going to have him back on.
unidentified		Did you ever have him back on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not yet, but I'd certainly have him back on.
		I will have, to the distress of many, just about anybody on who's interesting.
		Church of Satan, regular church, you name it.
		I'll do any of it.
		But I just haven't thought about it lately, but I'd have him back on.
		He was a good guest.
unidentified		Yeah, he was.
unidentified		I really enjoyed him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a follower?
unidentified		Not really.
unidentified		No, he was just very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a potential follower?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
unidentified		I just found him interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alrighty, sir.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and take care.
		East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Turn your radio off, please.
		There you go.
		You're in a truck, I bet.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm in a truck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just a guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up, sir, and where are you?
unidentified		I'm Dale, and I'm in Cleveland, Ohio, right now.
		And I've just got a question for you.
		It's about the Osama bin Laden situation.
		You know, Osama bin Laden is a pretty intelligent individual, wouldn't you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably is, yes.
unidentified		I mean, to take 15 men or so and bring them over here and keep them undercover for two years and all that.
		Yes.
		And he's got some people under him that are, I'd say their IQ is above average, wouldn't you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps so.
unidentified		Well, given that, and if you was to go and take out the World Trade Center, and like I said, being as intelligent as he is, wouldn't you think he would have a plan B after, in fact, he did what he did?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
unidentified		He basically sit over there in the Middle East and waited for us to just mow him down, and we're doing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, if you answer your question, absolutely, yes.
		Of course he has a plan B. An escape of some sort.
		Or perhaps, on the other hand, he plans to be martyred, to allow himself to be martyred.
		Well, he's getting real close to that.
		If he's in Toribora, he's about to be shredded.
		If they haven't really surrendered, and again, at this hour, we don't know.
		There are reports of a surrender pending, but now that seems to be falling apart.
		And from warfronts and from front lines, you rarely get good, clean news.
		And even the authorities sometimes don't know what's going on.
		So either there is going to be a surrender or the B-52s are going to do their carpet thing, and some of those big bunker busters are going to fall.
		It's already a wreck over there, and Taliban's on the run, no question about it.
		But it's sort of the last stronghold, the last big fight, big fight.
		There'll be a lot of mop-up to do, and probably a great deal of guerrilla warfare that will follow.
		But the last big fight is either about to happen or there's going to be a surrender.
		The hours ahead will tell.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		It's Dwight from Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dwight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		Good, good.
		I phoned about was something that happened to me, oh, many, many years ago, 25 years ago.
		I was at the farm visiting my parents, and my brothers and I, well, then my dad decided to sit down and play with the Ouija board.
		Yeah.
		Well, something really strange happened where on the farm there's a big square out on the property.
		It used to be part of the old Red River Trail.
		And it's recessed square in the ground.
		And then inside that there's another recessed square outline.
		And we got playing with the Ouija board anyway, and this chief Buffo come through the Ouija board and said that he had been massacred or murdered and buried out by this buffalo rubbing stone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of moving around on that board to explain all of that.
unidentified		Well, through the process of over an hour, this happened.
		And so we had a backhoe out there in the next couple days, and we went out, and every time we went out, tried to dig up this stone, and around the stone, it would start to rain.
		Now, as strange as that may seem, but that's one of the strangest things I ever come across.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, did you dig up the stone?
unidentified		No, we just eventually just left it the LOO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you took that as a hint.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do not touch the stone.
unidentified		Yeah, for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, my name's Ryan.
unidentified		I'm calling from Concord, North Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Ryan.
unidentified		Hey, I just wanted to make a quick comment on the story you read earlier about the fewer ghost sightings since the introduction of mobile phones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cell phones, yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Something that almost concerns me is the fact that there's also reports that cell phones cause cancer, things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It makes me wonder that even though it's nice to know there might be a way to protect yourself from entity attacks and things like that, it kind of concerns me that you might actually be scrambling certain lesser used parts of your brain at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but if you're, I mean, how frequently are you attacked by an entity?
		After all, if you had a cell phone handy and you could use it as a defense, you know, like holy water or whatever, just flip open your flip open, flip open your cell phone and radiate a little RF and away it goes.
		But, you know, there is one less soul to feed.
		I mean, where is this entity going, and what are you doing to it with these frequencies?
unidentified		Well, my concern really would be is not so much that you're doing something to the entity, but that you're just making it impossible for any interaction, which would kind of...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another might be that you are somehow destroying an entity.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, that's definitely also a possibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, cell phones had to be good for something.
		Thank you very much for the call, sir, and take care.
		I don't like them.
		I mean, and again, begging your indulgence, not this last caller, but the caller previous, was on a cell phone.
		Now I ask you, is the way that sounded, in your opinion, a step forward for technology and civilization?
		Or is it a step backward?
		I maintain it is a step backward.
		And I wish these cell phone companies would get their act together and make it sound like real communication instead of something coming through, you know, Rod Serling's chest.
		I just, I'm so down on cell phones.
		But on the other hand, if they'll if they'll shoe away an attacking entity, then perhaps they have some good.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, Art.
unidentified		This is Tony.
unidentified		I'm in West Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And on a cell phone, too, aren't you?
unidentified		Yeah, I am.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		What's up?
unidentified		Yeah, I was thinking about that thing you were talking about with Mars and how it's supposed to be heating up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		Turn your radio off.
		Yes, Mars, they say, will heat up and the poles will melt.
		And they say this will occur because of the increased heat from the sun.
		And my nagging question is, well, then, how about third rock from the sun?
		You know, good old Earth here.
unidentified		How about us?
		If they're going to be affected that way, then what's it going to do to us?
		Well, the only thing I was thinking was maybe the reason it might heat Mars up more than the Earth is because they don't really have an atmosphere right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true, but I would think an atmosphere would absorb heating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, after all, we absorb heat and radiation quite readily from the sun.
unidentified		Well, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
unidentified		Yeah.
		I was thinking it might not heat it up that much.
		It just might be enough where it'll melt their caps, and then they'll have a little bit of atmosphere, and then it'll stop heating up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe, or perhaps, as I said the other evening, there is another possibility, and that is that depending on the Sun's cycle, or cycles within cycles, it may be that every now and then Mars becomes the habitable, cool place to be with an atmosphere and water and all the rest of it.
		And then Earth becomes the not-so-cool in more ways than one place to be, and frankly, not so habitable.
		And maybe it's a big race to see whether we can get transportation for most of us from here to there before it happens.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning from the high desert coming up, Robert W. Morgan.
		It's all about Bigfoot, folks, and I think I've got a couple of surprises for you toward the bottom of the hour.
		We'll see.
		Robert Morgan is a Bigfoot researcher, founder of the American Anthropological Research Foundation.
		Robert's initial encounter took place in 1957 in Mason County, Washington, when he came face to face with something he considered, in quotes, a giant gorilla following his sin in the U.S. Navy and his education as a data processing systems engineer for the FAA.
		Robert launched a career both in filmmaking and the search for the truth behind the Bigfoot.
		He recruited a 17-member science advisory board that included many luminaries before organizing six of the most scientific expeditions ever formed in America.
		Backed by the National Wildlife Federation and other private parties, his 1974 expedition resulted in the classic film The Search for Bigfoot and his inclusion in the record-setting Smithsonian series Monsters, Myth or Mystery.
		His photographs have appeared in many publications, including Arthur C. Clarke's works, Great Magazine, and multiple other works has appeared on many TV and radio shows, including repeatedly here.
		In addition, several Native American dignitaries have assisted Robert.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell Somewhere in Time And now here is Robert Morgan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert, welcome to the program.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for calling me and inviting me back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's just great to have you back.
		Well, I consider you sort of the ultimate Bigfoot guy.
		And I know there's a whole community of Bigfoot researchers out there.
		I might add, not all of whom love each other.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		That seems evident sometimes.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		And that's sad, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I was going to ask you about that.
		Why is that?
		You know, it's sort of a...
		You know, just like in the UFO community, and maybe any community for that matter, among those who speak to the issue, there's just a lot of infighting.
		How come?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, this goes, at first, when I first encountered it, I thought that it was strictly an ego thing, and I thought that perhaps it was because some of the, I called them so-called researchers, were more into the research to gather limelight to themselves, to attract attention to themselves.
		A lot of them were from very small towns, and they were the big man on campus, so to speak.
		And they really had no academic credentials behind them.
		They had no really formulated plan of any sort.
		And so I thought, well, gee, maybe it's just because there aren't really a lot of scientists involved.
		But then the more I got involved with science in other facets, I discovered that there's a great amount of professional jealousy in the scientific community.
		And I think one of the greatest, I think, disservices has been done to Dr. Grover Krantz at Washington State University, a comparative anatomist and a very well-educated man.
		And his book, The Track of Bigfoot, things like this, and his reports, he was really castigated by his peers.
		And many of the people that formed my science advisory board, one in particular, Dr. Carl Finn S. Kuhn, who is professor emeritus at Penn State, and he wrote a book that is now passed by because we've learned, you know, as we've gone on, it was called The Races of Man.
		They also suffered the same thing, but at a different level.
		So I guess it just comes down that a lot of human beings are just jealous and small-minded, and I guess that's the way they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that's why Bigfoot won't have much to do with us.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I don't blame them, you know.
		As I've said so many times, you know, people talk about Bigfoot this and Bigfoot that, and I say, well, you know, the one thing about them, I've never heard of them raping a child, kidnapping anyone.
		I've never heard of them breaking into a car, stealing it.
		I don't think they use dope, you know.
		And it goes on and on and on.
		They've never declared war on anyone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they have just observed our civilization at afar for a while and decided contact is better not made.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that is absolutely true.
		I think that the more they have observed us, and yet they have watched the gentler side of us, and they've been seen many times.
		There's a school teacher in a small rural town in Ohio who have seen Bigfoot families, a small family, I'm not talking about anything large, but three or four at a time, come just outside the periphery of the vision of most people near her small country school.
		It's down in the Amish country.
		And she was quite straightforward and she said, yes, I've seen them now.
		They've been back two or three years.
		And they come down and they sit just inside the woods and watch the children play.
		And I think that's fascinating.
		Another thing was old-time engineers on some of the smaller roads would tell me of them being seen watching the trains go by, just sitting on the bank and watching.
		And right here in Montana, not too long ago, in a pass, it's called Mariah's Pass, indeed, the engineers have seen the Bigfoot families.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I was kind of kidding, Robert, but maybe I'm really right.
		I mean, maybe they have observed us.
		They know what we seem to be all about.
		And other than the occasional approach of the more gentle, they stay away.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think it was kind of funny to say, but simultaneously, I think there's a lot of truth to it.
		The more they see of the little hairless people who scream at just about anything, and if you go into the national parks and view us from afar, you know, here's this beautiful wilderness and all these majestic things, and here comes the family screaming, yelling, dropping gum wrappers and things like that.
		We're not necessarily, as a matter of fact, in anthropology, the more I've studied it, as I've said so many times, I've learned more about my fellow man than I have about Bigfoot simply by watching their reactions.
		And we're not necessarily an admirable race.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back in 57, when you were hunting, you saw your first, but you originally reported what you saw, not as Bigfoot or as something distinctly different, but as a guerrilla.
		Where was that?
		And what do you recall about it now?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was in the state of Washington.
		I had been aboard the USS Princeton, an anti-submarine, an anti-submarine warfare aircraft carrier.
		And after being imprisoned aboard ship for a tour of the Far East, I took any chance to go to the woods.
		And I had gone up with a friend of mine up in Mason County, and he turned to the right, and I went to the left.
		And I say I was hunting because I had a gun and all that stuff.
		But I really had no interest in hurting anything.
		I just was out there.
		And something came down through the brush, I guess it was around 9 o'clock in the morning, and I heard it, and I finally stood up, and it was something good-sized that was in the brush.
		I couldn't see what it was.
		And I finally called out, and all of a sudden it just went dead silent.
		And first time in my life, every hair on my body stood up, and I couldn't quite figure out why was I concerned.
		I was the guy with the gun, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when a large animal goes dead silent, it could mean, I suppose, a lot of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could mean it's protecting itself by becoming silent, or I suppose it could mean it's decided to stalk you.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's very possible.
		I think that in the subsequent events, I think I shocked it.
		I think it was not expecting me.
		And I think I really shocked it.
		I mean, here's the master woodsman of the Bigfoot, and all of a sudden up pops this little strange character.
		And Mina, he took off through the brush.
		And when he got to a point where he could see me, he turned around.
		And I thought I was looking, and I use this with tongue-in-cheek.
		He reminded, the expression on his face reminded me of Sonny Liston after he picked himself up off the floor when Muhammad Ali got through with him.
		He was surprised and not very happy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've had years to dig up that analogy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty good, though.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		But he looked at me and I looked at him.
		And to this day, I've even tried hypnotherapy.
		I don't know who left first, but my money is on me.
		And when I got back to the car, my hunting partner showed up from the opposite direction, and he never would speak to me about what happened to him.
		All I knew is he showed up at the same time I did, and we got in the car and we left.
		And when we got down to the very first place, we got some breakfast, and I tried to report it.
		And this is standard operational procedure.
		I called the State Highway Patrol, and they said, ha ha, I think you better call the sheriff.
		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so I called the sheriff and they took down all the information.
		And the more I listened to their questions, the more I thought, now wait a second, I have about four months to go before I'm going out of the Navy, right?
		And I thought they were going to send somebody down with a little white coat.
		So I just exited stage left.
		And I'm sorry that they did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, you can tell from the way people ask questions.
		You really can.
		There becomes a certain sort of tone in their voice, right?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, definitely.
		Obviously, there was more than one person listening, you know.
		And I'm a dumb kid from Ohio.
		I was from Canton, a steel town.
		I had never heard of Bigfoot.
		I had never, I had no clue.
		And I kept telling them this, as if I was talking about it.
		I said, look, you've got to understand, you have a gorilla loose up here.
		I saw it.
		There is no question there's a gorilla loose up here.
		There's a circus bin through here.
		Somebody lost their gorilla.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you with another party up there, sir?
		To which I'm sure you'd say yes.
		Were you and your friend celebrating in the woods?
		I mean, that kind of question.
		I know.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		All sorts of things.
		And I thought, nah, this isn't worth it.
		So when I got back, I went on with the idea.
		In fact, I told some of my shipmates, I saw a gorilla up in this beam.
		You're right, you know.
		So I figured I did what any other red-blooded American boy would do at a place that has a term like that.
		shut up and went back and it was a couple of years later I do.
		Yes, well, I loved those magazines.
		And I was reading that, and that's when I started reading about the Bigfoot from Northern California.
		And I thought, oh, my God, that's what I saw.
		And then when I heard people starting laughing and chuckling and making fun of it, I thought, uh-uh, no, no.
		So I did like a lot of people again.
		You know, we all have these lists.
		One of these days I'm going to, you know.
		And the list went on and on.
		But that was part of my list.
		And finally, one day I said, uh, let's do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I mean, you must have known, though, somewhere in some part of your mind that what you saw really was not exactly a gorilla, or you would not have proceeded the way you did.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		No, well, that's true.
		But, you know, it's like if you take someone from the desert and you show them a tall smoke tree, and that's the only tree they've ever seen.
		Then you take them to the redwoods, they're in tough shape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's interesting you should mention that.
		I am from the desert as an adult.
		You know, I love the desert.
		It's my place to be, and I just love it.
		And I happened to go visit Bob Crane of the Sea Cream County.
		He's a friend of mine.
		lives up there among the redwoods i mean the big there you go and It totally creeped me out.
		I mean, the redwoods were so high that going down the highway, a satellite dish could not see the southern sky or much of anything else.
		I mean, it just was freaky.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Something that's always puzzled me is how anyone, anyone, could have ever put a saw against a redwood tree.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I've never understood that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Money?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I suppose, but that's another thing I've never understood, is doing things just for the money.
		Our heartbeats are finite.
		They're not infinite.
		They're finite.
		We have a certain amount of heartbeats.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but a lot of people aren't counting, Robert.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I guess, I guess.
		I count every single one of them, and I have for a long time.
		But I was a kid from Ohio, and I had no way of making a comparison.
		I had to compare it with something that I knew about.
		And there was that one gorilla that always fascinated me, gargantua.
		And so that's the only equation I could make at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You organized a whole bunch of what would you call them?
		Oh, I guess expeditions is what you'd call them.
		You took people out for magazines, got involved with magazines, took people out in hunt of, looking for this creature, right?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, not in the beginning.
		My very first trip, I was going alone.
		I had moved to Miami, Florida, and I organized myself.
		I always wanted to live in Miami, and I had worked with the FAA, and I had some problems there that I just couldn't tolerate.
		They were buying useless parts for 86,000% markup, things like this, and I discovered it.
		And my position was fairly responsible, and I just couldn't handle that.
		So I realized the air traffic control system was in serious trouble, met a fellow by the name of Effley Bailey.
		I'm sure you've heard of him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've spoken with Effley.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and he and Ed Genata, he had formed PETCO, which unfortunately ran up against Ronnie Reagan.
		But I spoke to him, and I just couldn't go on, and they said, well, why don't you resign, write a book?
		So I did.
		It was called The Life Jugglers.
		But anyway, it was about the situation.
		I got to Miami, and I thought, I'm going to the mountains, and I had run a probability, a statistical program.
		And I had chosen places in America, or in North America, actually, where the ecology had not necessarily changed, not essentially, and that the systems, the ecosystems could still support a life form such as that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess you could sit down with a topographical, a really good map and basically look at the totally isolated probable places.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yep, and you factor in things like Indian legends and recent sightings and just all sorts of things.
		I had a lot of fun.
		I had a lot of late-night times and working with the computers.
		So I was able to write these little programs and run this thing.
		And it was testing the computer, and at the same time, it was doing some good.
		And so I decided to go by myself.
		And I was going in the month of March because I figured they were going to come out of wherever they were, and they had to leave tracks.
		And little Bobby was going to be there on his snowshoes.
		So I set this up, and when two fellows found out I was going, they said, no, you're not going by yourself.
		We're going with you.
		And so that's how it began.
		And when we got back, I was petitioned by Ivan Tor Studios.
		You remember the people that made Gentle Ben and all that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		So the president called me.
		It got in the newspapers because one of the guys had a big mouth.
		And I was just doing it for myself.
		I didn't even think the public would have any interest at all.
		Well, indeed, they did.
		And Bill Graffay was the president of Ivan Tours at the time.
		He called me, said, I'd like to have lunch with you.
		So I went up and like a dummy, I went up and sure, you know, sat down and talked to him.
		And the more things went, of course, then the National Wildlife Federation called me and everything is history from that point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, during any one of these expeditions, did you find what you were looking for?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		Oh, absolutely.
		As a matter of fact, on that very first trip, the very first trip, that program that I wrote, Works and Magic, the very first night, this is hard to believe, but there were two other guys with me.
		All we had was a map.
		I'd never been to this part of the state of Washington before.
		Toward Trout Lake, we had driven to the end of the road.
		And the snow was above the camper on my pickup truck.
		I got on the roof of that.
		We jumped off into the snow and we went walking.
		It was such a beautiful night.
		We struck tracks, two sets, and there was a smaller one next to a larger one.
		We could not match the stride of the larger one, heading toward Sleeping Woman Mountain, which is a wilderness area.
unidentified		Now, these were tracks of two people.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		They were bipedal.
		I was not a track expert at the time, so I didn't know how to really look, except that I did shine a flashlight in at an angle.
		And these people, whoever they were, were barefoot because you could see the separation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Barefoot in the snow.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		In the snow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I want to ask you more about those trackers.
		So hold on.
		We're going to break here at the bottom of the hour.
		Robert Morgan is my guest.
		By the way, there's breaking news on the Drudge website.
		Drudge says Gertz, the American captured that was with the Taliban, warns U.S. intelligence of impending bioterror attack by Al-Qaeda.
		That's on Drudge right now.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		The trip back in Time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More somewhere in time coming up.
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		Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell somewhere in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Well, Matt Drudge has done it again breaking news.
		You know that American who had been part of the Al-Qaeda.
		The headline is, Captured American Television warns U.S. intelligence of impending bio-terror attack by Al-Qaeda.
		That's the big headline on Drudge at this hour.
		Breaking news.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Robert Morgan is here.
		And in a moment, I've got a bit of a surprise for you.
unidentified		Stay right there.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Into the night once again.
		Now, suppose I were to tell you that I've got a couple of police.
		I've got a friend, a very good friend named Renee Barnett, who's a television segment producer.
		And she said, all right, there's something going on with Bigfoot in Oklahoma.
		and she gave me the names of a couple of police officers in oklahoma who apparently saw something now i don't know a whole lot about story beyond that but there were were i guess reports of He's going to talk to us.
		His name is Dan.
		We'll only call him Dan.
		He's a police officer in Oklahoma.
		Dan, you're on the air with Robert Morgan and Ark Bell.
		Welcome to the program.
unidentified		Hey, thanks, guys.
unidentified		Nice to meet you, Robert.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		My pleasure, Dan.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
		What's the story here, Dan?
		Can you even tell us what part of Oklahoma you're in?
unidentified		Northeastern Oklahoma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Northeastern, all right.
unidentified		The Tulsa area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how did this begin?
unidentified		Me and my neighbor, he also, he works for the major newspaper in town.
		And me and him went four-wheeling.
		And we went up to the northeastern part of the state, went quite a ways back off the road, traveled along the river.
		We followed the river for quite a ways, real rugged country, just four-wheel drive country.
		Sure.
		It was just about dark at the beginning of the year around February, just almost getting dark.
		Come over a little hill and have a straight shot through the woods.
		You know, the trail just keeps going straight.
		And approximately 50 feet in front of us, something steps off from the river side of the road, which is the right side.
		There was tall grass, real, real tall grass.
		I want to call it like cane.
		Stepped out of the cane and crossed the road, did kind of like the Patterson video, you know, where he turns his whole upper torso, stopped, looked at us, and then kept on trucking right in the woods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How good a look did you get?
unidentified		We were approximately 50 feet away.
		We got a pretty good look.
		It was reddish-brown hair, long reddish-brown hair.
		I didn't see any facial features that I can recall when I had that swinging arm walk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On a pedal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Walking on bipedal.
unidentified		Yeah, two feet.
		Yeah, walking on two feet.
		Approximately, I'm going to guess around seven and a half, eight feet tall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		That was big.
		Walked right across the road and went into the woods, and then we watched exactly where it went to.
		And it stopped behind some big trees.
		And like I said, at the beginning of the year, so all the foliage was still off the trees.
		So you could see quite a ways back in the woods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you tempted to go after it?
unidentified		Not at all.
		Not at all.
		We pulled up to, we stopped the Jeep in the same location where we had saw it across the road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And we got out.
		And we still had a visual on where it had stopped.
		I got out of the Jeep, picked up a fairly good-sized log, and I heaved it and nearly hitting the tree that I threw it, that it was hiding behind.
		And it didn't budge.
		It stayed there.
		After that happened, after it didn't move, we both decided that it was best just to get in the Jeep and go ahead and get out of there because neither one of us were sure what we had just seen.
		It was total silence all the way out of the woods.
		We didn't talk about it all the way out of the woods.
		We were pretty much in shock of what we just saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then apparently, once again, you saw something.
unidentified		Yeah, approximately about six weeks later, I returned with a fellow officer, good friend of mine.
		We were camping.
		We got there early that day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, this would be Jeff, right?
unidentified		That would be Jeff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And we got there early that day, and we were going to meet up with two other people that were going to bring Jeeps, and we were going to go four-wheeling.
		Got there early, started cooking, started a campfire.
		I was chopping wood, and Jeff was shooting a new gun that he had just purchased.
		And there's big hills out here, real steep hills.
		You can't hardly even walk up on them.
		I started hearing something coming down the hill.
		Like rocks kind of rolling down the hill, branches breaking and stuff.
		I could hear stuff moving around behind me, and I turn around and I look, and the same time of year, no foliage on the trees.
		You could see through the woods.
		It didn't see anything.
		And so a few minutes later, I hear the noise again, and every time I hear it, it's coming closer.
		It's approaching.
		I asked Jeff, he stopped shooting his gun, and I asked him, I said, are you hearing that?
		And he didn't tune into it right away.
		And as it got real close to us, there was a big mound of dirt just behind my back.
		It was a big mound of dirt.
		And that's where I was hearing all the noises from, which the mound of dirt is at the bottom of the hill.
		And it's approximately about 12 feet tall and about 20 feet long, mound of dirt.
		And when it got to that point, Jeff started, he began to hear it moving around behind us.
		And it was fairly close to us.
		And it sounded like something was crawling on its belly.
		And it only moved when we were talking or making noise.
		And if we stopped making any type of noise, it would not move.
		But if I started to talk again, you could hear it moving around.
		I mean, just very softly moving around.
		At that time, we both decided to reload the guns, grab the guns, and grab the flashlights, and we walked, we kind of stealthily walked to the end of this mounted dirt, which is probably about 20 feet long, and we walked down a little gravel road.
		And when we got positioned to the end of the mound of dirt, we both turned on our flashlights, and here's this creature, and it's like either laying flat on its belly or like low kneeling.
		You know, it's very, very crouched down, very low.
		And when we turn the flashlights on, this thing begins to stand up.
		And it's big.
		It's hairy and it's fairly huge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you able to see any detail?
unidentified		The long reddish-brown hair, again, you know, basically what I described earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As tall as six or eight feet?
unidentified		I'd say seven to eight to five.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seven to eight feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, really big.
unidentified		Really big.
unidentified		And we're talking less than a distance of 20 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah, you were really close.
unidentified		Right up on top of it.
		It came down the hill and literally came all the way down the hill and approached us, you know, basically was watching us.
		I think it was just watching us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just watching.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you see any facial features at all?
unidentified		Not that I can remember.
		I don't know if it's shock or what it is, but I cannot remember facial features.
		What about sounds or smells?
		I don't remember any smells that night.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Excuse me, did it have anything in its hand at all?
unidentified		I didn't even notice.
		If it did, I didn't know.
		I didn't see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you were just plain in shock?
unidentified		Yeah, basically, yeah.
		And as it started to stand up, Jeff turned.
		Jeff was in front of me.
		He turned and he went right past me.
		And he was heading back for the truck.
		And I grabbed him by the back of his shirt collar and I walked backwards with my gun pointed at it the whole time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You both had guns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were never tempted to let loose?
unidentified		No, no.
unidentified		At one point in time, before we had approached it, when we had both began to hear the noises, when Jeff tuned into it and there was a lot of rustling around when we were making noise, when I started to hear it and Jeff started to hear it, I shot a few rounds over the top of that mount of dirt before we walked back there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is to me remarkable.
		You said that Jeff was firing his gun.
		As this thing began to approach.
		Now, you would think that the sound of gunfire would absolutely repel anything like this, but obviously either that or it was interested in the gunfire.
unidentified		Right.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		It may have been thinking that you were shooting a game of some sort, and it was looking for the game.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		And that has happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, has it really?
unidentified		You mean a Bigfoot will steal your kill?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, this has happened in the state of Washington while I was in Cougar, Washington.
		A very similar incident happened to a Marine that was on leave, and he shot an elk.
		And a large male came down, and he cut loose on the Bigfoot and hit it.
		But the Bigfoot was coming in for the elk.
		And also, a few years prior to that, this was in the early 70s, there had been a hunter that had been killed there that had shot several rounds after he had the elk on the ground and had begun skinning it.
		And he fired several rounds, and unfortunately, he was badly beaten.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dan, have you tried to draw this creature that you and Jess saw?
unidentified		No, I have not.
unidentified		Have not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you report this?
unidentified		Yes, I did.
		I reported it with David Wilbanks on online and he's at southernbigfoot.com and that's where my stories, both of the stories that I just told you, are posted at.
		And since I've met with him in the last eight months, you know, we've been going back and we've gotten, we've casted two different size of prints, one which was fairly small.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you have casted Prints?
unidentified		Yes, we've been back since then.
		After that second encounter with Jeff, I came home and I started looking online.
		I started looking at Bigfoot.
		Because this is something I hadn't, this was all new to me.
		I'd heard about Bigfoot.
		I'm only 32 years old, but Bigfoot, you don't hear about it every day.
		And I started looking online and I ran across Southern Bigfoot and they're based out of Oklahoma and I contacted David Wilbanks and he was real receptive.
		He came right up here and the first day we went out there we casted two tracks, two really great tracks.
		How big?
		Approximately about 13 inches long and I'd say about 6.5 inches wide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well officer, you know, maybe you understand now, you know, when a witness has a hard time describing a perp because they were in shock, maybe you understand.
unidentified		Yes, I can definitely relate to it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I'm going to, Robert, do you have any questions before I let Dan go?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		No, I was going to suggest that perhaps he and his friend, if they logged on to my website, there may be some information there that can help them.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		And it's at true seekers.org.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		TruthSeekers.org.
unidentified		True.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		T-R-U.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		TrueSeekers.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		TrueSeekers.org.
		And go to the American Yeti Expedition section and see if that can be of some help to you.
		And then if you send me an email with your address, I will send you a copy of our audio cassette and then the new CDs that I'm coming out with and see if that can help you.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell me something, Dan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you have reported this if you had been alone?
unidentified		I'm sorry.
unidentified		Would I have reported it if it had been alone?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you had been alone when this occurred instead of with another police officer, would you have reported this?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		I need a police officer, no, I already know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I have one question.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		One more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		If you don't mind.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		And that is, when your friend was firing his weapon, his new weapon, was it a high-powered weapon or a small caliber?
unidentified		It was a Desert Eagle 44.
unidentified		It was a big gun, big handgun.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I guess it was.
		Okay, I was curious.
		Sometimes they'll come to target practice and watch.
unidentified		And when we both had a target picture, you know, we both had guns drawn and a target picture to shoot at.
		And we're both trained, you know, to kill.
		And at no time did either one of us, it never crossed either one of our minds to go ahead and shoot it because we knew we were, you know, the caliber weapons that we had were just too small.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you didn't do it anyway for lots of other reasons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		He never threatened you, did he?
unidentified		No, no.
		We had gone back since, and I know what you were going to say to that about you're glad that I didn't shoot it because of the theory that if there's one, there's probably at least one more there, you bet.
		And we have gone back since, and we'll have, I've heard rocks clacking together on one side of the camp.
		I mean, we're talking 10 feet in the woods, and 20 feet on the other side of the woods, you'd hear rocks clacking and movement, and so on and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Dan, in the same area, have there been locals reporting anything like this?
unidentified		Several.
unidentified		Several.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what Renee told me, that there have been reports of entire Bigfoot families and all kinds of things in your area.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Have the police there, have you all had official reports?
		No, I haven't checked on the official reports.
		I've talked to several of the people that have lived there all their life, several of the business people that have worked there and lived there all their life, and they've all either seen or heard several stories about Bigfoot in that area.
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend, I really want to thank you for coming on the air tonight.
unidentified		Thanks, Robert, and thanks, Art.
unidentified		You, Beth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good night, Dan.
		And in a few moments, we'll speak with Jeff as well.
		He's the other officer who was with Dan.
		I thought that was kind of strange that the Bigfoot, Robert, would literally, obviously, be attracted to gunfire.
		But I guess you answered the question.
		He figures there might be a kill and he could get it.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and he obviously has not been shot, and he's obviously also, I'm going to guess, he is a fairly young Bigfoot, even though he's full grown.
		He doesn't have the experience.
		The older ones will definitely shy away.
		So he is a young one and probably has moved into a new family area and he's taking advantage of it.
		He's probably frightened some hunters away from their kills already.
		And that's like habituating a bear.
		It's not a good idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert, what are these things?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, in a capsule form that'll probably have some people screaming bloody murder, I have the feeling that they are the body ancestors to ourselves.
		They are the prototype that is so perfectly adapted to this earth.
		And then what has happened is there have been mutations or whatever, whatever causes these genetic changes to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And whoa, along came humans.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, and along came humans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we're not so well adapted.
		I mean, we don't have the hair and the protection for being outside.
		Mostly we need to live inside, unless we're in a sort of a semi-tropical environment.
		Other than that, we need protection.
		We've got this skin, hardly any hair at all.
		And, you know, we can suffer and die very quickly in the elements.
		If we don't know what we're doing, we're not adapted very well at all for the elements.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		We're terribly adapted, actually.
		And without the assistance of animal skins to make leather and all those other sorts of things, we have a very tough time surviving.
		So we are the only unbalancing feature in all of nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious, how many reports like the one you just heard from a police officer, and here to come, his, well, I don't know whether it's his partner, but another police officer backing him up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How frequently do you get reports of this caliber?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, quite a few.
		Quite a few.
		And it's usually behind, I must really take my hat off to these gentlemen.
		Most police officers speak among themselves, but they never go public because there's a possibility they could lose their jobs if they have the wrong kind of people around them.
		In Ohio, for instance, someplace I'm very familiar, they had quite a few sightings.
		And I questioned that myself, and I went down to the sheriff's department, and so happened my cousin was a sheriff officer, and some of their most senior officers took me into one of those questioning rooms, closed the door, and then told me what they themselves had seen.
		But they had been given an order by the sheriff in this county that if they discussed it, they would lose their jobs.
		Because they can't protect you.
		They're afraid, and there's religious problems there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just like there is all across society.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		It is so sad.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		And why we can't face the truth, but it's not in the index of a lot of our books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just want to understand the truth about what these things are.
		Hold on, Robert.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		My guess is Robert Morgan.
		He's perhaps one of the world's greatest Bigfoot experts.
		And in a moment, you'll hear from yet another police officer, the telephone lines allowing, who also witnessed and backs up the story of Dan.
		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this, somewhere in time.
		I am in my favor!
		It's a living thing!
		It's a terrible thing, too.
		It's a given thing.
		What a terrible thing.
		Show me your world.
		I could see so deep and hopeful.
		A play nicknamed, always thinking so.
		There are times when all the world will be But where should one can be But what should be for mine?
		Oh, please, please tell me what to do I know it's time to start So please tell me who I am I said, what would you say?
		I'll be calling you a radical A liberal, a fanatical criminal So won't you silence me?
		We'd like to be your life, acceptable We'd be back to Rome, oh, he's handsome But I bet you're wrong Oh, he's handsome He's handsome I'm
		sorry.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert Morgan is my guest, and because the officer I have on the line right now is actually on patrol, I suspect, in his patrol car right now, we're going to hold the brake for a moment and with Robert Morgan go directly back to Oklahoma to a patrol car and an officer named Jeff.
		Jeff, are you there?
		Wait a minute.
		Let's push the button.
		Jeff, are you there?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		How are you doing, Ms. Moran Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jeff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in the same police department as Dan?
unidentified		Actually, he works for one just to the east of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so you're adjacent towns?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you know each other quite well.
unidentified		Yeah, we actually used to work for the same department back in 90s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		All right.
		Were you ever partners?
unidentified		Yes, we were, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you were?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure you got to hear Dan's story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure would like to get your take and obviously just reinforce what he said.
unidentified		Right.
		So I guess I'll start with.
		You know, we had went to the woods.
		We were pretty far off the main road.
		We'd, like you said, we'd went down along the river and we found this place that we were going to camp at that evening.
		And started to set up camp.
		And I had bought a new pistol the week before and brought along.
		I was going to test fire it and try to get used to it.
		I guess I fired probably about 20 rounds or so and Dan had kept on asking me if I'd heard some rustling or something up on this hill.
		And I uh I hadn't heard it.
		I'd been shooting and once he'd pointed it out, I still didn't, you know, it didn't come to me as far as I could hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, your hearing was probably impaired.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		That 44 magnet's pretty loud.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		But uh we'd uh decided to uh cook a little bit of dinner.
		It was just before dusk.
		And uh we turned the radio on on the truck and we're sitting back and we're eating and uh it was starting to get dark, and Danny pointed it out again to me.
		And that time I'd heard it.
		And it was just like a quiet rustling in the leaves, probably, I'd say, no more than 50 yards over the edge of this berm.
		And it seemed like it was getting closer.
		And once it got, I would say, probably 20 yards away from us, it actually seemed like it was starting to circle us.
		First it was going to the left, and then it started coming back to the right.
		And we're talking a pretty extended period of time because it was dark by the time it started coming back to the right.
		I would say probably 30 to 45 minutes that we were actually had turned the radio off and we were listening.
		And in that time is when Dan had fired five or six rounds over this hill.
		We're thinking if it's an animal out there, it's going to run away and it's not going to bother us.
		But if it's somebody out there messing with us, they're going to say, hey, hey, I'm over here.
		Don't shoot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, sure.
unidentified		And nothing.
		It didn't run away.
		And there was nobody out there saying, hey, there's somebody out here.
		Don't be shooting.
		And I'll be quite honest with you, I was starting to get a little anxious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Dan told us about the confrontation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, that you got around there with flashlights.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you shine flashlights on this creature.
		And Dan said it raised itself up.
		And probably, he said, about eight feet tall.
		You can agree with that?
unidentified		At least.
unidentified		At least eight feet tall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He didn't really get much of a look at the face because he admitted he was in shock.
		And I can imagine you may well have been too.
		Did you get any sort of look at its face?
unidentified		At the face, no.
		No, I didn't.
		In fact, the first thing that crossed my mind when I saw it was it's time to get out of here.
		And I was headed to the truck and I was leaving whether Dan was coming with me or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you mention that to Dan?
unidentified		Actually, when he grabbed hold of my shirt, I figured he had the idea because I told him, I'm going with the truck, and we're getting out of here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did say we.
		Yeah.
		Good.
		All right.
		So then you really concur with everything he said.
		Is there anything he said you can add to?
unidentified		Other than, I mean, it really did seem like it was maybe crawling on all fours.
		When I first saw it, it was as if it was standing up and like it was on its knees.
		And even when it was on its knees, it appeared to be at least five and a half to six feet tall.
		And as it stood up, that's when I don't know if you want to call it fight or flight, but I was ready to fly away and get as far away, as fast away as I could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Makes all the sense in the world to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You too had a gun.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you had reloaded and you were all ready to go.
		You could have fired that weapon.
		Why didn't you?
unidentified		It never even crossed my mind.
		In fact, until I got back in the truck, I didn't realize that I had the gun in my hand.
		I knew I had it, but it didn't cross my mind until I tried to open the truck door and there was the gun in the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very, very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you totally back up Dan's story all the way.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jeff, one more, one last question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How have your fellow officers reacted to what the two of you have said?
unidentified		I think I might have told one other officer that I work with about it, my partner that works with me now on midnight.
		But I didn't tell my wife about it for over a month after it happened.
		And other than her and my partner now, I've told my dad and my uncle, and that was only a month ago.
		I just really, I haven't talked to anybody about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think you saw Bigfoot?
unidentified		I know I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert, any questions for Jeff?
		Oh, I see what happened.
		All right, we've lost Robert.
		All right.
		Well, listen, Jeff.
		Thank you.
		I can't thank you enough for coming on the air.
		Very brave of you to come on the air.
		Thank you so much.
unidentified		Art, it's been a pleasure.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
unidentified		And I'm going to have to get Robert back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so there you have it.
		You have two police officers corroborating each other's stories who do not think but know they saw Bigfoot.
		Robert Morgan is an expert on all of this.
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		Let's talk a little bit about the shadow government.
		Do you believe it's there?
		Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
		But it isn't.
		We don't have the government anymore.
		What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies.
		But we have no representation in that government.
		So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
		So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
		And it's taken a while to set up, but I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
		We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we are going to now try and get Robert Morgan back on the line again.
		I have no idea what happened.
		Sometimes those things do occur.
		Right in the middle of an interview, you just get knocked off.
		And I don't know how that can happen, because actually, we've got a system that prevents that, that locks a guest in.
		Okay.
		Let's see if we get through.
unidentified		Let's see if we get through.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, I have no idea what occurred.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it, hopefully, when you realized you were disconnected, you raced your radio.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		Well, you missed, oh, my.
		You missed Jeff.
		I brought him on, and he verified every single thing that his partner said.
		At the very end of the interview, I asked Jeff if he had any doubt that he had seen Bigfoot, and he said, absolutely no doubt whatsoever.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there are two police officers corroborating each other's reports from Oklahoma.
		What do you know about Oklahoma and Bigfoot?
		Is that an area where it's seen?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is, as a matter of fact.
		I attended the FAA Academy there in Oklahoma City.
		In fact, my daughter was born there in Oklahoma City, so I spent quite a bit of time, and I had a horse, and I was able to get out quite a bit in the distances.
		And there's no question that Bigfoot, especially, you look down towards the Washington Mountains, which goes down toward Arkansas.
		And if you, I was in the Navy with a Pawnee Indian, Pawnee and Kiowa combination, and I went over to the reservations, and they have no question in their minds that the Bigfoot existed there, have for centuries.
		So there's no question these gentlemen, from what I heard on the first interview, the gentleman is very sincere.
		I think he's saying something quite accurate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is interesting that two police officers are willing to come forward on a subject of this sort for the reasons that you laid down a little while ago with reference to Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I guess, you know, departments differ wildly, and in some of them, I guess you're allowed to say what you saw.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, you know, remember that UFO sighting where those officers chased that UFO almost over to the Pennsylvania line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, as a matter of fact, we're going to repeat that show.
		So many people have requested it.
		We're going to repeat that just around Christmas.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I think some of them, didn't they lose their jobs, I believe?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some did, yes.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		So the times are changing.
		Thank God.
		Times are changing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you've still got to think really hard before you report.
		When you and I were last speaking before the interviews, you were talking about some tracks.
		You remember?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you were talking about some tracks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So pick up on that very quickly.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're talking about out in Tout Lake, yes.
		Well, we had tracked a short distance, but none of us, none of us could believe that we were that fortunate or that my program was that.
		We just could not believe it.
		So we went back to the truck and went on with our trek.
		I think it was the second night in.
		We were quite a ways up.
		We had stopped the truck and we were now on snowshoes and hauling a sled behind us.
		And we were getting definitely into the wilderness and there were no tracks around us.
		It was just us.
		And we had camped next to a stream that was starting to flow.
		I was starting to break up.
		And in the middle of the night, we heard this snuffling, snorting sound.
		This sounded like a horse trying to sniff the air.
		And each one of us looked at the other and we were awakened.
		And I said, you go check it out.
		And I said, no, you go.
		It's your idea.
		So none of us checked it out.
		And the next morning we went up over the top of this little ridge and there was nothing there.
		It was just a small snowbank and there was nothing there but this stream.
		So naturally, well, we thought we heard this.
		Well, collectively, the three of us must have been dreaming.
		A few miles further up, we found where someone with large feet, barefoot, had come out of that mountain stream, came up onto the road, turned around twice, walked back down into the stream, and continued going downstream.
		We had some unfortunate accident while we were up there.
		We got into a whiteout, and the boots we were testing for a major manufacturer, we won't mention his name, froze my feet, and they were supposed to be waterproof.
		They weren't.
		Anyway, we finally had to trek out and when we did get out, we found out that on the other end of that stream, going downstream into the White Salmon River, there had been indeed sightings.
		And about this time, they had had a sighting near Bonneville on the river, the Columbia River.
		So we pursued that.
		Of course, I was limping by this time on frozen feet.
		We got down there, and this is where I ran into Conrad Lundy, who is commissioner of the Scamane County, and I ran into the gentleman who owned the Scamane County pioneer, Roy Kraft.
		And their hunters were everywhere.
		Everyone was there with their rifles, their shotguns, everything.
		I asked him what the hell was going on, and he told me.
		And I could tell he was a local.
		I didn't know he was the county commissioner.
		And he said, I suppose you're here to kill it, too.
		And I said, absolutely not.
		And I went off on him.
		And being, of course, a very shy individual that I am.
		And I said, he said, well, it's not against the law.
		I said, well, it's sure as hell should be.
		He said, well, I'm the county commissioner.
		I said, well, don't stand there.
		Do something.
		Somebody's going to get shot up here, and it's going to be more than the Bigfoot.
		So he took me down and introduced me to a gentleman by the Roy Kraft, and I wish you had met him.
		This guy was the quintessential editor to a small newspaper.
		He had the cigarette ash that was longer than the cigarette.
		He had the celluloid, everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sound like the Roy Schneider of Jaws, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remember Roy Schneider out there?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody's going to get killed and all those rednecks piling into the boats and going out there, and sure enough.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Bingo, exactly.
		Well, Roy sponsored the ordinance.
		It became the first law passed in America.
		And it was with me jumping up and down on Conrad Lundy.
		And Roy sponsored it.
		It became the first ordinance that was passed in America.
		What was interesting about Roy Kraft is after I got to know him, I said, what are you doing in Stevenson, Washington?
		Turns out this fellow had been a PR agent.
		And one of his, he said one of his clients had been murdered in Hollywood.
		His client was Marilyn Monroe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he was the press agent for Marilyn Monroe.
		And when she was murdered, he had had enough.
		He said he couldn't.
		And he continually said she was.
		He didn't say she died.
		He said he didn't say she was overdosed.
		He maintained she was murdered, and he wanted nothing further to do with it.
		So this is an interesting thing about Bigfoot, you know.
		I've run into more wonderfully interesting people, and he was one of them.
		But that's how that first law started.
		And then, of course, there's that pinball effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you really sure about this?
		In other words, we've talked about this before.
		There are many who say that one Bigfoot should be killed.
		One should be killed so that we can autopsy it, so we can learn about it, so that we can understand what we're sharing this planet with.
		We can understand about what these creatures are and all the rest of it.
		I mean, so much knowledge that could come from one body.
		How do you argue against that?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's intellectually.
		I began exactly that same way.
		That's exactly how I felt in the very beginning.
		But there was something about seeing these people out there, my gun's bigger than yours, etc.
		I saw no glory in that.
		And the more I came to know the Bigfoot people, the more I realized, on the average, of course, they're just like us.
		There's good, there's bad, there's some that have had some rotten experiences with the little careless people.
		And then when I got to know the American Indians, I really dug into my own past.
		I'm Apache and German mix.
		And the more I dug into it, the more I realized why?
		How do we become so arrogant that in order for something to be protected, in order for something to be accepted, we have to kill it in order to dissect it?
		And isn't there something, the other half of this term that we grandly put on ourselves?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, because that's linear science, and that's linear law.
		In other words, science is not prepared to believe such a thing even exists until they can personally examine it.
		And those who generally write laws are not prepared to write one to protect a creature that is, in their opinion, myth.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's a conundrum.
		It's a very difficult thing.
		But what are we going to do if we do shoot one?
		Because we must convince ourselves it exists so that we can protect it.
		It's doing fine.
		It doesn't need protection.
		So what do we do then if we cut into it, cut it apart, and we discover that it is indeed genetically provable that this is our brother?
		Well, this is our ancestor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, if that happens, then they're going to quietly bury it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trust me on this, and you're never going to see that body nor the report of the autopsy or anything else.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would upset way too many apple carts.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		And I wonder, Art, if that hasn't occurred.
		There was a skull found.
		Oh, yes, there's a skull was found.
		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, hold it right there.
		We'll come back to skull in a moment.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		My guest is Robert Morgan.
		The subject is Bigfoot.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast A.M. How you doing?
		Want to meet one?
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11, 2001.
		No, no, no, no, no.
		I'm telling you we fall before I get up the floor.
		Don't break me down.
		You wanna say I've been the best difference.
		I'm telling you, we've gotta see the end.
		Don't bring me down, no no.
		music
		Be it sight of the sand, smell of the touch, the something inside that we need so much.
		The sight of the touch, or the scent of the sand, or the strength of an oak leaves deep in the ground.
		The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmacs and the sun again.
		Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing.
		To lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing.
		All these things in our memory are sore.
		and you Why would you take it fast on this street?
		It's just for you.
		Why take it right?
		Take my breath of my seat in my fear.
		I hope I can have it for you.
		But so hard to do it by fear.
		I do it my life in my life.
		But by now, I hope I can.
		Premiere Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		The breaking news continues.
		I told you about the headline on Drudge.
		Here's something to back it up.
		It's unattributed because the person doesn't want me to give their name for understandable reasons.
		I'll read you what I've got as best I can, Art.
		I am a member of the national media and an Avid fan.
		Here's something I just picked up from a friend of mine at the Washington Times.
		They're going to run this in the morning paper.
		Please do not mention my name on the air.
		Regards, he gives his name, and he works for one of the big free networks, and I won't even say where.
		Washington, D.C. An American Taliban fighter held captive by Marines in Afghanistan apparently has told American officials that al-Qaeda's next attack on the United States will take place in days and involve biological weapons,
		U.S. intelligence officials told The Washington Times, John Walker Lind, L-I-N-B-H, the Taliban guerrilla captured near Mazar-e-Sharif, said in intelligent debriefings at the U.S. Marine Corps base near Kandahar that phase two of al-Qaeda's war against the U.S. will occur at the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which, by the way, ends on Sunday.
		He told the U.S. intelligence officials that the Ramadan attack is going to involve the use of biological weapons.
		The information was among other intelligence reports that led the Bush administration to issue a public warning last week.
		Remember that?
		About a possible terrorist attack.
		So, this allegedly is going to run in the Washington Times within hours.
		And it certainly would back up what we are seeing on the Drudge report this morning.
		So I guess you're going to want to bear all of this in mind.
unidentified		Coast to Coast AM.
		It's way out there.
		The Catholic Church a few years ago came out with a report that the belief in extraterrestrial life does not negate one's belief system in God.
		I found that fascinating, didn't you?
		This is something that is certainly a very plausible event, but nevertheless, what we're saying is it is the setup for the Antichrist.
		And we had better wake up because if we don't, we are going to find ourselves part of that alien agenda.
		Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell Tomorrow night here, we're going to have a Native American named Red Elk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is a self-described half-breed Native American from the Blackfeet and Shoshone Nations, member of the Hayoka Native American Lost Boys, which he is one of 12 inner Hayoka.
		Was one of the last nine members of the Red Web Society who are working to bring understanding to Earth.
		He is the official keeper of the tunnels, official keeper of the pyramids, temporary caretaker of the flying dragon drum, very sacred drum on the Hopi Nation, the altar carrier of the nations, and he is going to tell us about a world underground that is going to blow your mind.
		Red Elk tomorrow night on what's below our feet.
		Now back to Robert Morgan.
		And Robert, I should tell the audience, and I want to make this very clear, I have a recording of Bigfoot, as you know, or what is said to be Bigfoot.
		This recording I obtained from Linda Moulton Howe, who played it with the permission of those who made the recording.
		That is where I got the recording.
		You know something about the providence of this recording, don't you?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I'd have to hear it to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, you want to hear it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		here it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That recording, Robert.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've heard that before.
		I'm not too awfully intrigued by it.
		The best recording that I recall that I can endorse is by Ron Moorhead's group.
		They have a thing out, the Bigfoot recording.
		That particular recording, I've heard that multiple times, and it's nothing that I have ever heard.
		And I've heard them do all sorts of strange things.
		I have never heard anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you heard a scream?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do they make a screaming sound?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they make all sorts of sounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
		I've got one other that purports to be Bigfoot.
		What about this one?
		weird.
		What about that one?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		That falls in the same category.
		I've never heard those things myself.
		I've never heard them playing that eerily.
		I've never heard that echo chamber that they like to play that in.
		That sounds to me like someone's in the top of a church steeple trying to pretend.
		The recording or the sounds that I've heard of, they have never done anything like that.
		What have you heard?
		Well, I've had them come close by and actually imitating birds and then change from one bird to another in mid-sentence, I guess you might say, or mid-sound.
		But I've heard a lot of the articulations that are really well represented in Ron Moorhead's in Alan Berry's recording.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where they actually appear to speak.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, where you can actually, you can, it's not just someone howling or something like that, because they have no reason to do that.
		They don't just go out and like pretend to be a werewolf.
		There's no meaning to those sounds at all.
		The sounds that I have heard have all had meaning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've also heard those, the ones you're talking about, and they actually do you remember what the clearest was?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's something that sounded to me like you're not welcome.
		They actually had vowels and which was tough to swallow at first, but the more I've listened to it, and more than that, even going on beyond that, because there's no sense in projecting what we would like to hear.
		But to know, to realize that they're using vowels so clearly, this means they have an articulated speech pattern.
		That means that they are above the chimpanzee, which that in the orang is supposed to be our closest relatives, who cannot because their tongues are not affixed the same as ours.
		They can't articulate.
		But these people do.
		I've heard it so many times, and they are one of the masters of imitation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you or do you not believe there is anything paranormal about them?
		Now, they're said to appear and disappear.
		Sure enough, we don't have a body yet.
		Nobody's killed one.
		And there could be reasons for that that wouldn't be easily digestible.
		Do you buy into that or not?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I have seen nothing, nothing whatsoever that was.
		Well, we have to define paranormal.
		It's a subjective term in the sense that if we lift above the normal, indeed they are.
		But do they go into other dimensions and play Puff the Magic Dragon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, yeah.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		No, no, not at all.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		You know, and I appreciate the folks that are reaching for that because I think they're looking for some other force outside of ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		You know, and I understand that, and I'm not saying it's not there.
		Certainly, there have to be other dimensions.
		We would be so small-minded if we tried to limit everything to that which we can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think these are real creatures that have been here as long or more likely longer than we have been?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		They are perfectly adapted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that we are from them.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
		I think our body is.
		Now we're getting into something a little bit more esoteric.
		Do they have the same essence that we call a soul?
		This, I don't know.
		I just don't know.
		I wouldn't even pretend to know such a thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I think cats have souls, though.
		They probably do.
		They probably have souls.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I would assume that they do, because, again, we would be so arrogant, wouldn't we, if we say, oh, we're special because of this and that and the other thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're very family-oriented, aren't they?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Very much so.
		And another thing that I have, I've never heard of a dumb Bigfoot, you know, that is a product of inbreeding.
		And this tells me that Mendelian genetics is holding up quite well, and this is one of their dangers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, it would be.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Sure, and because if they were so, and they are clannish, I mean, in the sense that they run in small little pods, like little family units, and they seem to keep to a single family most of the time, and yet they do have rendezvous.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		And I inserted myself accidentally into one of their rendezvous one evening, and it really irritated them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		We had gone down, Scott Church and I had gone into a place in La Valley, and it was around 12.31 o'clock in the morning, and I love to go places where no one knows where I am.
		And went trotting down in there, and I heard a call.
		It was a bird call late at night, so I answered it.
		And I got a response from the opposite ridge.
		So I merrily called alone.
		And they called back, and they started coming closer.
		And the closer they came, and then all of a sudden, there was this dead silence again.
		I mean, it's like running into a brick wall.
		And when I tell you that, I swear, even the insects stopped.
		And Scott and I stopped in our tracks, and all of a sudden, this thing cut loose on us with this scream, with this gibberish, and it sounds very, well, gibberish because I don't understand it.
		Certainly not gibberish to them, but they really were insulted and angry.
		And they left.
		And it took me a while to realize what I had done.
		I had come in on a movement route, had heard their call and had responded.
		And apparently I imitated it well enough that I fooled them.
		They were looking for another family coming, and they were merrily coming down to say hello to Joe and Mary that just came in from the next valley.
		And they were really ticked off.
		They were angry that I had fooled them, and I certainly didn't mean to, but I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would they get angry enough to get physical, do you think?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and so under certain circumstances, there was an area that we were investigating, and I told my team, I said, there's one hilltop over here.
		I do not want anyone going anywhere near.
		I had this sense, this feeling, that this is where they bed during the day.
		And it was well protected.
		If you and I were on patrol and we were behind enemy lines, it's exactly what we would choose.
		So I left them alone because if I leave them rest, then they're more apt to come close to me during the night.
		And of course, they move around during the day under normal circumstances.
		When we are around, that's when they move at night.
		In any case, it was the same circumstance.
		We finally penetrated that area one night, somewhat accidentally, but we did do it.
		And on the way out, we had rocks whistling past us.
		And when I tell you the concussion of a large rock going past your head, and you know they're expert enough, if they wanted to hit you, they would.
		They'd take your head off.
		But they didn't.
		They were just telling me, you got too close, bud, back off.
		So they have a sense of fair play, too.
		And I, so far, and even when my daughter was quite small, I took her into the Everglades.
		She's been in the mountains.
		She's been in the desert.
		We've had all sorts of encounters with the Bigfoot.
		They never, ever, ever bothered us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you wouldn't be afraid to leave your daughter with the Bigfoot?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		No, not at all.
		I think she'd be perfectly protected.
		In fact, I would worry about the Bigfoot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		He's a tough one.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		But I had mentioned earlier about the skull that had been reported found.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, a skull.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Outside of Woodland, Washington.
		And they sent first the farmer had sent the jaw structure up to a university in Canada.
		And then they had come back later and asked for the entire everything.
		And they take the rest of the remains up there.
		And this jaw structure you could fit over your face.
		And they promptly lost it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they lost it.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, they lost it.
		And the University of Miami is guilty of the same thing.
		There was a femur down there that was huge, just absolutely long.
		And it was hanging in a curio shop.
		And one of the anthropologists took it in, and it disappeared.
		And outside of a little town called Ech Tabulo, Ohio, there had been a graveyard found up there when they first started clearing the land for the city.
		And they discovered these bodies that were in excess of between six and seven feet tall.
		And, you know, our ancestors were not that tall.
		If you look at the, go to the museum and take a look at the riding habit of George Custer.
		You know, he was about five foot three.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's true.
		We have grown taller and taller as time has gone on.
		Genetically, we're getting taller.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		But here's this ancient graveyard.
		Now you go to Ash Debuel and try to find that.
		That was cleared out, and those bones are gone.
		So, you know, as I've said so many times, we have this common prayer.
		Please, God, Allah, Buddha, whoever, please let me get through this day without a single new thought.
		And this is unfortunately true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got a couple of CDs out, isn't that right?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
		In fact, I sent them to you.
		I hope you received them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are they?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Explain to everybody what they are.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		The new CDs.
		I had made the Bigfoot the Ultimate Adventure, which is an audio cassette.
		And it is true, an adventure.
		It takes you into the woods and teaches you my method of coming in contact.
		But you only have so much time on a 90-minute cassette.
		I was bombarded.
		So finally I came up with the Bigfoot Pocket Field Manual.
		It covers two CDs, and these CDs give you absolute 100% everything you will ever need from the beginning.
		You don't know anything about Bigfoot to actually putting yourself in a position.
		They're two CDs long, and they are available now.
		They just came off, they literally hot off the press.
		Okay.
		Yeah, and the first 100 of them, as a matter of fact, they asked me to autograph each one of them.
unidentified		Really?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and they're in production now.
		And they can be had if they go to artistfirst.com.
		They are our fulfillment agent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		ArtistFirst.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		ArtistFirst.com, if they are on the web.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, how much?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Those are, boy, you would ask me that.
		I believe they're $25 for the set.
		Boy, I'm not in on the marketing, and I was just...
unidentified		You get them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So these CDs, if you studied them, if you followed the advice given on the CDs, what are your odds of meeting a Bigfoot?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		If they are in your area, your odds are extremely high.
		Extremely high.
		In fact, I hope those policemen, I wish that policemen, and I wish the Southern Bigfoot organization would contact, get a copy of these things, because this is a culmination of 30 years of experience.
		I have done it.
		I've been there.
		And this is how, and it starts from ground zero where to start your own research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long did it take you to produce these?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		What, the CDs?
		Yeah.
		You mean, I don't understand that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, to produce them, to put it all together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How big a project was it?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, for me to write it, it took 29 years to learn it and one year to actually file it down into a viable script.
		And then I had to sit down and record it.
		So I recorded every single bit of it.
		And, oh, God, so you're talking about actually about a year and a half to get the recordings the way they are right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a big project.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it was.
		Well, the ultimate adventure, which is its companion, I met the recording engineer to that when I was on my way to Moscow, Russia, and I met him in Frankfurt, and I heard these people whispering behind me, that's the Bigfoot guy.
		I thought, oh, Lord, mother duck, I can't even go to Russia, you know.
		And he was a supreme engineer.
		He had worked with Rod Stewart and Cher and the Jacksons and all this stuff.
		And he told me, he said, when we get back, if you want to do something, I will do it.
unidentified		Well, he did.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		He came to my home, built a recording studio, and spent nine months.
		And nothing on that recording is canned.
		And the only thing is, he didn't have a sense of humor art.
		He would not let me sing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He wouldn't let you sing.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		He wouldn't let me sing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that'll add to the attraction of the buy, I guess.
		I don't sing either, Robert.
		I just don't do that.
		If you really want to meet Bigfoot, the website is artistfirst.com.
		ArtistFirst.com.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		And if they want to visit me, it's true seekers.org.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we'll be right back.
unidentified		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Toast to Toast AM.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
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		And I've been with all my life.
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		Oh Lord, Oh Lord When you told me you were drowning, I would not end the hand.
		I've seen your face before I read.
		But I don't know if you know who I am.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11th, 2001.
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		Robert Morgan is here, and we're talking about Bigfoot Lines are loaded.
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		Let's talk a little bit about the shadow government.
		Do you believe it's there?
		Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
		But it isn't.
		We don't have the government anymore.
		What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies, but we have no representation in that government.
		So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
		So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
		And it's taken a while to set up, but I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
		We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here is Robert Morgan.
		Robert, hold on just one second.
		I need to pose for a picture here.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I'm right here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'm going to do that.
		I still haven't got it right.
		Well, I'll do it here shortly.
		All right.
		Robert, I'd like to take you to the telephones and let people ask you questions.
		They know that you know, and so obviously they have questions.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Sure, but I have a question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, fire away.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Is it really true that we, for the Al-Qaeda, that we changed Ramadan to Ramabom?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that true?
		No, no, Robert.
		That's not.
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you don't want to go there.
		Yeah, I don't care to go there.
		Instead, I'll go to the phones.
		First time caller line here on the air with Robert Morgan.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm from Columbia, Missouri.
		Columbia on 1400 KFRU.
		All right.
		This takes place about two years ago.
		About three of my friends, we were up hunting around Cody, Wyoming.
		And me and my friends, we're more like traditionalists.
		We try to preserve the style of hunting back to the mountain man type, you know, with old Muzzle.
		And so we really have done a lot of research and a lot of researching in clothing and weapon use and all that.
		Well, we were up in Cody, Wyoming at a friend's ranch up there doing mule deer hunting in the old traditional style.
		And we were up there and we had shot a mule deer.
		We've been up there about two weeks and finally shot a mule deer.
		We're up there with pack horses and we're cutting this mule deer up, put on pack horses.
		And all of a sudden there's what I thought at the time was this animal coming up.
		And it was kind of growling and snarling, not really snarling, but kind of bearing its teeth.
		I told my friends, I said, let's go with what we got on the horses and leave the rest.
		And so we went back to our base camp.
		Later that night, I heard rustling in the leaves.
		I figured, I told my friends, I said, well, bears are trying to get to the meat.
		Let's reposition it.
		And we do.
		And didn't really notice anything.
		And got up the next morning.
		I asked my friends, I said, did you know something odd about that animal yesterday?
		They just kind of said, yeah, I really hadn't seen anything like that, but we're not really from this country.
		So I figured it was something just native to this country.
		I said, yeah, me too.
		So we go out and go scouting for more mule deer.
		And I come back, me and a friend of mine come back early.
		And I heard some rustling in the camp.
		I said, bears have gotten into meat again.
		So let's sneak up real quiet and see if we can catch it and scare it off.
		So we sneak up to it, and there's this, looks like a guy in a, have you ever seen the old pictures of the Indians or the mountain men with big buffalo capes around them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah.
unidentified		It kind of looked like that, but it was not quite.
		I mean the hair was long.
		We're like, what in the world is this?
		And we sat there and watched it.
		And this, I now know that it was Bigfoot, but at the time it didn't register, you know.
		And we're watching it, you know, look at our packs and stuff like that.
		And our packs are the old basket style packs, you know, not the metal frame.
		Wood and basket weave.
		Let me tell you, they're a killer on the shoulders.
		But he's just real intrigued.
		Or Ed, I don't know if it was he or she, just real intrigued with what we got.
		Well, we finally said, well, I don't like this.
		You know, let's just kind of just nonchalantly walk up and kind of see if we can't spook it away.
		And so we start walking like normal, and sure enough, it kind of just runs away and gets a little spooked.
		Well, later that day, we was eating lunch, and I happened to notice that the same things across this creek that we're camped at.
		I said, boys, look at that.
		And we sat there and watched it.
		And it watched us for probably, I don't know, it seemed forever, but it was probably more like 30 minutes.
		And I said, I wonder what that is.
		It acts too much human-like to be an animal.
		And so we just, we started pondering and talking about it.
		And one guy said, well, you know what?
		I'll bet you that's Bigfoot.
		We just kind of laughed at him about it.
		And it was just, it was the oddest thing.
		And the last day we were packing up our meat, and this thing is across the creek again, watching us pack up.
		So I said, I wonder if that's someone that's out here, you know, that's just been left out here, you know, hermit type.
		So I laid a hindquarter of one of the deer out in the center of the camp, and I said, let's go.
		We acted like we were going.
		I said, no, let's double back and see.
		And the Bigfoot had come across the creek and was eating on a little bit on the legged deer.
		And it took it and walked back up across the creek and down over the ridge.
		It was about the weirdest thing I've ever seen.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, what you performed was something very similar to what the Native Americans would have done and are continuing to do.
		And that is to share what they have.
		And had you stuck around there after you gave him that, more than likely, within a day or two, you'd find some gifts that would have appeared.
		And I'm not talking about something from Muskirs or Roebuck, you know.
		But you would have found something that would have been important that he thought would be important to you, even if it would have been new sticks or reeds to repair your packs or something along those lines.
unidentified		We talked about this after we got back, and we did a little bit of research, and it was like, you know, I'll bet you that was Bigfoot that we saw.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have to compliment you, the fact that you had weapons, but you didn't even consider shooting it.
unidentified		Oh, we're talking muzzle-loader-type weapons.
unidentified		I mean, we're like, we're more of the type that, you know, only shoot what you're going to eat, and that's it.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Boy, good for you.
unidentified		And glad to hear from you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		Good for him.
		And, you know, and he's about the third tonight that said that.
		You know, like it never even occurred to them to shoot it.
		Do a lot of people who get near Bigfoot come back with that same story that it just never occurred to them to shoot?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		More and more are coming to that because, and I want to say that some of my colleagues that are like myself are getting through to people, and I think, I hope we are, and more and more people are reacting to the Bigfoot as, well, it's not bothering me.
		And of course, they're cautious, just like the police officers.
		They had their weapons in case.
		But they didn't do, unfortunately, what Bugs did, the fellow that we had talked about before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody wants to know about Bugs.
		And of course, it ended, at least for now, when Bugs' wife said, oh, no, you don't.
		And we have not taken it any further than that.
		I tell you, though, on reflection, I absolutely believe bugs.
		I don't know about you.
		You listen to the story, and what do you think?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I am ready to go to Texas.
		I was very surprised, and on top of that, I was extremely impressed and pleased.
		Even scientists had contacted me offering their services, especially out of UCLA.
		I had people from the state's attorney's office contact me.
		I had in Texas police officers, detectives, people wanting to help.
		That was quite an event, and I hope that Bugs is listening, and I hope his wife lets him out of the closet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he knows that I stand ready at a moment's notice to take him up on his offer and to pass it on to you and to take a trip to Texas.
unidentified		He knows that's true, so we await that call, Bugs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, with respect to your CDs, is it true that all the profits are going directly to an organization to help further research?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		The profits go to the American Anthropological Research Foundation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how in God's name are you making a living?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you making a living?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, hijacking cars, things like that.
		I've always been fairly lucky that way.
		I go out and I make my money, and then I go back and spend it.
		That's what it's all about.
		If I die with more than $26 in my checking account, I'm going to be very angry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's kind of the way I think about money, too.
		All right, all right.
		Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Robert Morgan.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		Hello.
		Oh, my goodness gracious.
		Can I say something real quick to you, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Before I make my point here, I am so grateful that you're here.
		I missed you so much.
		Me and my wife.
		My wife and I, we cried heavily when you were gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm grateful to be here, too, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
unidentified		And I'm so glad that you did what you did for Rush.
unidentified		We all prayed, and, you know, it was a great thing, and I'm so glad we cried when you were back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wish I could tell you all I know about Rush, but I can't right now.
unidentified		I know.
unidentified		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Things will be apparent in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, anyway.
unidentified		Exactly.
		Okay.
		So, hey, Robert.
		I have a good friend that he's called up on the Ard Bell Show a number of times under several assumed names because he's a very paranoid sort, just like most of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hmm.
unidentified		And, anyway, so he says that he knows in the Shasta area, of course, all the, you know, the stuff that goes on in Shasta and the Shasta Mountains, that's a whole different program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's kind of like tomorrow night's program.
		You're going to want to hear that, sir.
		But, anyway, your point is?
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, he says that he knows some Sasquatch, a whole Sasquatch family in the area, and that he believes that they are interdimensional.
		Now, that's my big, you know, that's my thing.
		I want to ask, do you have any idea if they can possibly be, you know, maybe they have some sort of, you know, something that we are lacking now that we have just, you know, it's faded out in the human.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I think we really already answered this when I asked the question about the paranormal.
		But you're welcome to enlarge.
		You know, what I think is true, Robert, is that we assign in our minds, when something is as elusive as this, we automatically, in our minds, we assign it to the paranormal category.
		It's a natural human thing to do.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes.
		And it kind of shows our weakness, and at the same time, a kind of yearning for something beyond what we can see, touch, smell, taste, etc.
		It kind of is akin, when I ask people, they will tell me they are afraid of, oh, I'd be afraid if I saw a ghost.
		And I said, my answer is, look at me.
		Look at me right now.
		Are you afraid of me?
		Well, of course not.
		Well, if I die tomorrow, and I come the next day to see you, why would you be afraid?
		And all it is, is the driver is outside the car, you know, and there's no difference.
		But it's the same thing with the Bigfoot.
		We try to, anything that we can't really grasp quickly, we like to think, and I think subconsciously wish that there is another dimension.
		There has to be something more than what...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, I think there probably is, as we mentioned earlier, you know, most of the theoretical physicists, who are right on top right now, believe there may be 11 or more.
		And so I believe that.
		But in this case, you're just saying you think these creatures are as real as we are.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		And I think it's our own limitations that are the problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how are they bright enough?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, they are seen.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		They've been watching us for centuries.
		So they know what we're going to react to.
		They're...
		I'll tell you how I can tell you that they, for sure, how they hand down things for probably hundreds, if not thousands of years.
		All right.
		I recorded an owl call in the state of Washington in the presence of George Harrison, managing...
		He was the former managing editor for National Wildlife Magazine.
		We couldn't, for the life of us, figure out what this was.
		I knew, and we all said, it was something other than an owl, because there were two of them, and under the circumstances, they were acting strangely.
		And we had those same feelings.
		Something was around.
		We finally identified it.
		It was the hoots of the Arctic owl, the snowy owl from the Arctic.
		The only time they hoot is when they're breeding, and they only breed in the Arctic Circle.
		Now, how did the Bigfoot learn that?
		Was it possible that he...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it had to be there, right?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		It had to have perhaps came over the land bridge, heard it, picked it up, used it, and have passed it down from generations for how many generations?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		That knocked me back about 20 paces when I heard that.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		incredible uh East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morgan.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Mr. Morgan.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Since you were on the last time, sir, I have tried, tried, tried very hard to locate a story that I read about 19 somewhere between 50 and 55 of a group of people who brought maybe 300 or 400 Mai Sai warriors from Africa over to South America.
		They were young children at the time, and they were going to be used to pick fruit or whatnot back in those days.
		And after about a year or so, they found out that they could not communicate with each other verbally and whatnot, and that it wasn't working out.
		So they took the majority of them up to the rainforest and left them there.
		And I was wondering, have you heard any of this story?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		No, I have not.
unidentified		Well, you know, after you were on the last time and you were telling about these things, that popped into my mind and I started thinking about that, how they could have come up from South America through Mexico into the Southwest.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Maasai, you know, I mean, these are human beings.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		We have descendants of the Maasai playing basketball.
unidentified		Oh, I know.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		You know, so these are actual human beings that you would be able to identify in a New York second.
		I will say there is, in South America, in Venezuela, and especially in Ecuador, they call it mono grande, otherwise the big monkey.
		And a friend of mine, Count Pino Torolla, he was an exploratory archaeologist, looking for the lost gold of Pizarro.
		He was looking for gold, and he saw them on two separate occasions.
		In fact, there is a feeling among the Native Americans, and it seems to go even into South America, that if you really do something bad toward the Bigfoot, you have what they call bad luck.
		And whether you bring it about yourself or is there something mystical, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've got a Native American on tomorrow night, so I will ask him about exactly that.
		Can you hold tight here at the bottom of the hour?
		You bet.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert Morgan is my guest.
unidentified		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast A.M. More somewhere in time coming up.
		Why not?
		Watching back up, till you return.
		I'm back forward, and watching you burn.
		Now it begins, day after day.
		This is my life, sticking away.
		Waiting to hear.
		A very old friend, came by today.
		Cause he was telling everyone in town, of the laws that he just found.
		And reads the name, of his latest fame.
		He talked and talked, and I heard him say.
		That she had the longest blackest hair.
		The prettiest green eyes anywhere.
		And reads the name, of his latest fame.
		Though I smiled, the tears inside were burning.
		I wished him luck, and then he said goodbye.
		He was gone, but still his words kept returning.
		What else was there for me to do but cry?
		Would you believe, would you believe, that yesterday?
		This girl was in my arms and swore to me.
		She'd be mine eternally.
		And reads the name, of his latest fame.
		Though I smiled, the tears inside were burning.
		I wished him luck, and then he said goodbye.
		He was gone, but still his words kept returning.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM, from December 11, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm so proud of you.
		hooked on this record and a few others that I don't know they just uh affect me mightily Anyway, listen Robert Morgan is here.
		We're talking about Bigfoot and taking your calls Geek guess what?
		I got a photo up I said I was going to try and get the DT 200B up and I do have that photo up on my webcam right now to get to my webcam and and you can see with my cool new t-shirt at the same time.
		We've got these t-shirts.
		Oh, I love them.
		Go to artbell.com, go to program, and then over to Art Bell Studio Cam, and you'll see a picture of this cool little radio.
		It really is such a slick radio.
		Promise it, and there it is, finally, so you can legibly see it.
unidentified		robert morgan back in a moment You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11, 2001.
		Music All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Robert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Morgan, you're back on the air, Robert.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, I hear you're doing some sort of internet radio program yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that true?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I was going to call you and ask you to be a guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, like I'm not on the radio enough, huh?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		When you're not doing anything else.
		Yes, as a matter of fact, the artistfirst.com people contacted me, and it was after we did the bug show, because when I tell you I had over nearly 400 or 386 emails, I mean, I was flooded.
		And of course, Artist First just loved it.
		So they invited me to do a test balloon.
		And so far, for whatever reason, each Tuesday night, and it's between 9 and 10 Eastern Time, I have had a marvelous audience.
		I'm not as charming as you are, nor am I as good-looking.
		But I try hard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not good-looking at the moment television.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you do a show, I take it, about Bigfoot.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, more than that.
		We do the artistfirst.com as to how you can get onto it.
		But the American Anthological Research Foundation, of which I'm president, we're involved in a lot of things.
		The Institute for Neuroscience Awareness is one, which has to do with EEG neurofeedback for brain trauma, curing brain trauma problems, and circumventing it.
		We also have the Institute for Children with Challenges.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you know something about these things?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, by osmosis, yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, then.
		I've got a really good question for you.
		I had a gal on the air the other night whose name was Pam.
		And Pam has been featured on 48 Hours and elsewhere.
		And she had an aneurysm in her brain.
		You didn't happen to hear that, did you?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She had an aneurysm in her brain, Robert.
		And in order to clip this aneurysm without killing her, the only thing they could do was to lower her body temperature way down, and her heart stopped.
		They pumped all the blood out of her body, every last bit of the blood out of her body, and her brain waves stopped for an hour.
		Robert, for an hour.
		She was dead.
unidentified		D-E-A-D, dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She told us what happened while she was dead.
		But at any rate, they pumped the blood back into her body.
		Her heart was kick-started with the paddles, you know, that kind of thing.
		And after an hour, Robert, she came back.
		Now, if you know anything about neurological studies, maybe you'd like to comment for me on the following question.
		During that hour, where was she?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's like you and I. Okay, I'm going to pick you up, and we're going to go down and have a hammer.
		We park our car and we get out.
		Normally, you leave the engine running because the soul, certainly, I am much prettier than this body will let you know.
		So I look at, being a Buddhist, I look at ourselves as these bodies are nothing more or less than cars that we're driving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's the soul that's important, not the body.
		Okay.
		Now, I must, if they comment on that treatment, do you know who invented that treatment?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, she had the operation from one of the pioneers in Arizona.
		I'm sorry, I can't recall his name.
		I'm going to have him on the air.
		He wants to come on the air.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was pioneered by the Russians.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		The Russians were the first people that lowered our body temperatures so far down.
		I wish that they had done this with my brother.
		My brother was the chief of police in Campbell, California, had an aneurysm at age 48.
		And he was strapped to a board for seven years, couldn't speak, couldn't move, nothing.
		And yet he was totally, the body was totally aware.
		He had all its feelings.
		And he wrote a book, Messages to My Children, by blinking his eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		So I am very grateful each day that I walk.
		I have no complaints.
		Zero.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But okay, so you are a believer in the fact that we are invested with souls.
		Oh, yeah.
		But it still didn't answer my question.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Did it?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Where did she go?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for that hour, where was she?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, she had obviously, I would assume that her soul had stepped out and perhaps even watched the operation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are correct.
		She described the operation.
		In fact, there's the other thing that just, we're so far off Bigfoot now, but here's the other thing that just is impossible.
		She described all the procedures that went on during the linear hour of time that they operated on her, Robert.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't surprise me, Art.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Have you not been able to astrally project?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have, but zero neurological function.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean zero, no brain waves.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the brain is not the soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's apparently what would seem to be.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just couldn't help it when you said that, that that was part of your research.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we're into all sorts of things.
		You know, if I can't get my toe into everything that's going on, as long as it has one thing, and that's a positive thing, someday I would like you to talk with a young rabbi named McColleen Smith, whose son Judah was considered an idiot with the IQ of 30.
		And he was totally flaccid.
		He was a destroyed.
		Fortunately, his brain was destroyed during vacuum extraction.
		You should speak with the little boy.
		He now speaks French, German.
		He is obviously English.
		He may step.
		He may actually be able to move and stand, not too distant future, all because of EEG neurofeedback.
		But that's another subject, and I know that it's Bigfoot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I'm up to my ears in everything, every waking moment.
		And when I dream at night, I'm always...
		There's so much to learn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then, so many calls.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Robert Morgan.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay, sir.
unidentified		Incidentally, that bumper music was great at the bottom of the hour.
unidentified		I just went to Graceland over Thanksgiving, and it was a great trip.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good for you.
unidentified		Yeah, I had a question for Robert.
		I'm a physical anthropology student here at the University of Oklahoma, and I just got done with a Yeti research paper.
		And one of the questions I had upon doing the research was that I am assuming that, like, I guess there's a lot of geographical variations that a lot of researchers in this field kind of acknowledge, like Yeti, Sasquatch, and the South American, I guess, counterpart to that is the Kurapira, I think, or something like that.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		You have isolated gene pools that would modify themselves within their environment.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Right.
		I was just kind of wondering, are these variations considered subspecies?
		Are they derivations of the same line that are considered one species entirely?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, it wouldn't be considered by anyone because science hasn't really accepted it yet, officially.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Unofficially, between you and me.
unidentified		Yes.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Because, for instance, I noticed the difference in the body type in South Florida, in the Florida Everglades.
		They're tall, very slender, very almost emaciated in comparison to the giants that you find of the massive chest and all of this.
		And the rationale behind that, I'm a slow learner, believe me, it takes a long time for things to sink in.
		But I discovered, you know, the key deer that they have in Florida are tiny because they don't need that massive body around them to keep the intestines warm.
		And so what happens here is things have adapted.
		So the Bigfoot sightings in Florida would be distinctly different.
		Isolated gene pools also would be multiplied according.
		I'm sure you know you're familiar with Mendelian genetics because you'd have a fallout when you have certain groups that have been isolated in certain areas for X period of time.
		Two things are going to affect them.
		First of all, their environment, and second of all, the gene pool from which they can draw.
		Am I right?
unidentified		Right, that's exactly right.
		I was just like, there seemed to be so much literature on the subject, and based off that, I had understood that there was just a lot of groupings into different categorical kind of divisions based off the environment and geography.
		I mean, there was, I mean, just even around the Himalayas, there were several subdivisions of the Yeti phenomenon there alone.
		And it was just, I just found it pretty fascinating that there was so many of these kind of regional things that were just, that were all locked up together based off just the literature that was involved.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the major differentiation that I've been able to, the primary thing that I've been able to note in the Homalias, for instance, and I'm trying so hard to put things together, I want to go to Mongolia.
		There's an isolated area there, that I think I'm going to try my methodology, my protocol for contacting them passively.
		And I might get my beam knocked off over there.
		Maybe, you know, we'll find out.
		But the major differentiation is in the color.
		The color of the skin, not of the skin, but of the hair, among the youth in America, in North America I'm speaking, is reddish color.
		And then they turn black as they become an adult, and then of course become grizzled gray.
		I don't find that.
		I don't find any variations at all, any reports at all, among the Yeti and the Haumayas.
		Now I've been to Georgia, the Republic of Georgia, out of Tbilisi up in the Caucasus Mountains.
		And Zaina, the female there, was pure black and things like this.
		And they seem to be more related to us than they did to the Haumayas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's amazing.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		You'll have some fun with that.
unidentified		Yeah, thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Color.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I've got a really, really interesting email here, Robert.
		It says, Hi.
		In order for a scientific name to be valid, a type name-bearing specimen is needed.
		However, you don't need to shoot one.
		The best approach is to look for fossils in caves, especially ones that are natural traps.
		If Bigfoot exists, there are fossils gathering dust in museum paleontologists, including me, use search images.
		If you don't know what you're looking at, you don't recognize it.
		The way past this is to appeal to grad students.
		Post a reward for confirmed Bigfoot fossils.
		Offer a year's supply of beer, and the fossils will be found in a month.
		Paleontologist.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I stand up, salute that gentleman or lady, whoever they may be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had a feeling you might agree.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Thank God for a scientist like this.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know who they are, but I wish you well with all my heart, and if I can gather that much beer, I will let you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A natural trap.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of an interesting, would be an interesting place to search for artifacts, wouldn't it?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it would, except for one problem here.
		You're dealing with a human-like species.
		Now, how many Neanderthals, Cro-Magnon, etc., have we found in the tart pits or places like this?
		We have found very few.
		Very few.
		And I don't know of any.
		Now, there may be some, but I don't know of any.
		Well, the idea is that if you fell in, we wouldn't hunt alone.
		We would be out someplace.
		And if you fell into one of those traps, I'm going to get you out.
		Okay?
		And we'll throw you a rope.
		I will find a way.
		I'll break a tree off and send it down.
		So we're an elephant.
		Of course, they will try to get their people out.
		But they can't do it because of their massive weight.
		They're going to go down.
		So you're going to find mastodons.
		You're going to find things like this.
		You're going to find deer.
		Because deer don't help one another.
		If one gets in trouble, the rest run away and say, thank God it's not me.
		So when you're dealing with how many of them, I'm not sure.
		How many monkeys have we found?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's a very good point.
		No, excellent point.
		Well said.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Robert Morgan.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		Yes.
		I'm calling from New Franklin, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I was wondering if Robert knew anything About a town called Louisiana, Missouri.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I have heard of it, yes.
unidentified		About 25 years ago, there was a sighting in Louisiana, Missouri.
		And I was one of the participants there, but I didn't see anything.
		I smelt something that smelled like rotting flesh, but we never seen anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that, Robert, what a Bigfoot smells like?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rotting flesh?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, now I'm going to have to gross some of your people out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
		It's real late.
		Go ahead and gross them out.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Here's a theory that I have that I think is pretty accurate.
		Let's go back to Native Americana.
		If we wanted to hunt a buffalo, we would dress like a buffalo, walk hunched over like a buffalo, and if you found fresh buffalo scat, if you're a good hunter and you have a strong stomach, you're going to roll in it.
		That's exactly how you're going to get close.
		I had had so many reports that were so oddball.
		I just didn't accept them.
		I couldn't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that one of the ways that you get close to a Bigfoot?
		I mean, have you done this?
		Have you gone down and rolled and pooped?
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		No, it's the opposite.
		What has happened is that I had report after report after report of Bigfoot rolling where we dumped or pumped out our septic tanks.
		And I absolutely rejected it.
		I thought this was the most ludicrous.
		But I kept getting them.
		And suddenly it dawned on me, and thank God it was for Nino Coutis, my adopted father.
		He said, look, dummy, I think that was his favorite name for me.
		Hey, dummy.
		He said, look, they must think that's what we smell like.
		And they're trying to, because lots of times people smell this putting next to your house, that they actually find human feces, rub themselves in it in order to think that's the way we smell.
		And the other night when I was in Walmart, I was in those long line.
		No, never mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You thought you detected a Bigfoot line.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		I could tell where that got that idea.
		But, you know, when you think of it logically, coldly, not emotionally, you think of it coldly, this would make sense from their viewpoint.
		It would, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course it would.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		You know, the Vietnamese, when they were hunting us, they could tell we were in the area by our smell.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		They could smell an American.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so why not?
		So if I were shot down behind their lines, I just might.
		I just might.
		I'm going to live.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert, bless you, my friend, and good night.
robert w morgan ▲ ● ▼		Anytime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		And you can be sure there will be another time.
		And I leave you with just a bit more.
		Ah, good morning, everybody.
		That creature is out there, you know.
		I'm Art Bell from the High Desert.
unidentified		ta-ta
		Some bell this morning when I'm straight I'm gonna open up your gate And maybe tell you'bout Phaedra And how she gave me life And how she
		made it in Some velvet morning when I was straight Flowery green grow on our hills.
		Flash, ladies and five hills.
		Love for us, very much.

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