Robert W. Morgan, Bigfoot researcher and founder of the American Anthropological Research Foundation, shares his 1957 Washington encounter with a hostile, gorilla-like bipedal creature and details expeditions like a 1974 Smithsonian-backed trip revealing 13-inch barefoot tracks near Trout Lake. Police officers Dan and Jeff corroborate Oklahoma sightings of an 8-foot-tall, silent Bigfoot that circled them for 45 minutes without reacting to gunfire. Morgan theorizes Bigfoot as human ancestors or isolated gene pools, citing environmental adaptations like color variations (black Yeti vs. reddish Sasquatch) and lost cultural knowledge, while dismissing supernatural claims. He warns against killing them, noting their aversion to harm unless provoked, and suggests scent-masking tactics like rotting flesh odors. The episode blends eyewitness accounts with fringe theories—from abandoned Maasai warriors in South America’s rainforests to potential interdimensional Sasquatch families—while Morgan’s fieldwork hints at a real, intelligent species coexisting with humans. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest.
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, whatever the case may be in all 24 time zones covered now by this program.
I'm Art Bell, and the program, of course, is Coast to Coast AM.
What have you?
Well, I see that our president is planning to announce in several days that the U.S. is going to get out the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, which means to me we are going to be building anti-ballistic missiles.
Now, it is required that we give Russia six months' notice before hacking a deal.
With this decision, the President takes the first step toward developing an anti-missile system that he says will protect the U.S. and its allies from missiles fired by rogue nations.
Russia and the U.S. have warned Bush that withdrawing may trigger a nuclear arms race.
Now, that's interesting, and I suppose if you put yourself in the shoes of the Russians or the Chinese, they don't necessarily have the technical capability to build an anti-missile system, but they do have nuclear weapons perched at the end of ballistic missiles.
So there's a little bit of danger window here, because if you've got them, if you figure the U.S. is going to be able to successfully build a shield, then of course if you've got them, you better use them or you'll lose them.
That certainly would be one mode of thinking if you put yourself in the enemy's, the potential opposition's shoes.
He corrects himself.
So, I don't know.
Good idea, bad idea, what do you think?
The Toribora area, U.S. B-52s are just bombing the hell out of Toribora.
They believe that Al-Qaeda top dogs and maybe even Osama hisself, himself, may be there.
A lot of confusion at this hour in Toribora because there was an initial report that the Al-Qaeda forces were surrendering.
They had been given a deadline and they were surrendering.
And now that report appears to be at this hour in question, so nobody knows for sure.
But if they don't, of course, the B-52s will crank back up again.
You'll probably see a bunch of bunker busters go off and all hell break loose.
Otherwise, we'll just have to wait and see.
Confusion always in situations of war.
Senators, who apparently have had the opportunity to review the videotaped presentation of Osama bin Laden whooping it up over the September 11th attacks, are saying when it is released, and they're thinking that it may be released very shortly, next day or two, it's going to convince all of us that he is the one who was responsible for those attacks.
They find him grinning and marveling at the destruction and death of the 11th.
We could see it perhaps as early as tomorrow.
And in the first criminal indictment stemming from what happened September 11th, federal prosecutors today charged a French Moroccan man who, get this, was in jail a month before the attacks with conspiring with Osama bin Laden to murder thousands in the suicide hijackings.
It's a 30-page indictment.
Federal agents seized computers in 27 cities today.
They went a hacker hunting and they found them.
27 U.S. cities where people are putting copyrighted software, Microsoft Windows and all that sort of thing, up on the internet for all who would download it.
Operation Buccaneer, you get the pirate quotation there, right?
Operation Buccaneer was directed at 62 people in Australia, Finland, England, Norway, and right here in the good old US of A. Federal Reserve cut the interest rate a quarter point today and everybody went.
Didn't impress anybody.
The other news.
You're not going to believe this.
But the security guards at Area 51, known affectionately and not so affectionately as camo dudes, C-A-M-O camo dudes, walked off their jobs Monday in Las Vegas at the covert military installation known as Area 51, a place they said they can't talk about.
The union president Vernon Hall said, when asked about where he worked as he and more than a dozen other striking security officers displayed on-strike signs on Haven Street near McCarran International Airport, quote, use your imagination.
Where do I work?
Use your imagination.
That is where nondescript passenger jets known only as Janet planes very routinely take the guards and other workers to the installation on the dry bed of Groom Lake, 90 miles north of Las Vegas, a place they referred to only as nowhere, in quotes, and, in quotes, out of town.
Hall, leader of the Security Police Association of Nevada, an in-house collective bargaining unit, said the association's members decided to go on strike after three months of negotiations for a new contract with their employer, EGNGE.
Said the issues include lack of adequate wages and benefits and time and Oh, let us think about this.
Now, I've known a lot of people who have tried to get close to Area 51.
There are certain mountaintops and areas where one can get a glimpse, but inevitably you are harassed by camo dudes.
By the way, that name comes from the camouflage stuff they wear when they're working.
And they'll find you.
I mean, you know, you'll see vehicles approaching and they will scare the you-know-what out of you.
They'll get you out of there.
And actually, it is an area where, you know, if you decide to violate the security, you can be shot dead.
But now that they're on strike, you might imagine that anybody who was thinking of trying to get into the installation to see what's going on during this period of time decide to take advantage of the strike and take a stroll in there.
A lot of stories about people who have made it into the area.
People who have flown over the area.
Not a good thing to do, by the way.
And then when you do land, if you don't get shot down, you are, you know, you're talked to for a long time.
Tonight, we're going to be doing something on Bigfoot.
Tomorrow night, we're going to be doing something on Under the Earth.
I think you're going to find that really interesting.
A Native American tomorrow night.
Listen to this.
Good day to you.
I was up visiting your site.
This is a Native American writing this, and I was amazed at some of the drawings on shadow people.
Others have sent to you.
I'm Cherokee, part Irish, considered a shadow walker.
And I'm sure there are others out there just like me.
If you meet any, and by the way, looking at the drawings on your site, now I'm sure of it.
There are different types of walkers out here, though.
But with what your listeners are drawing, it appears about 75% of them are seeing shadow walkers.
Shadow walking is kind of like astral travel, just a lot more intense.
It can be done while awake, which most will, for example, do it unknowingly while they're sleeping.
It's hard to explain.
But to give an example of this gift, it's like extremely strong, vivid visualization.
I say vivid because you're able to touch, feel, and interact with other beings on different planes.
But I feel it's really intended to help or protect others, never meant harm or scare.
So your listeners could be seeing another type of shadow person too.
Skinwalkers, for example.
They pretty much look like a shadow walker, but to the natives, they mean trouble.
These walkers are considered shadow stealers.
According to the elders, once you are attacked by a skinwalker, there is nothing you can do to stop it.
But no one has told me what may happen if you're attacked by one.
It does at times seem like something from a Twilight Zone.
But believe me, it's very real.
We do exist.
We do exist.
And there's a lot more to this story, but later.
Namaste Art.
Let's find Shadow Bear.
Thought that was pretty interesting.
It would resonate with quite a few of you out there.
Ms. Steve, writes Steve, logically.
And I've only listened to your show for about 30 minutes ever last night, though.
For some reason, I tuned into your show by accident talking about entity attacks by shadow people.
And I'm a person, Art, who refuses to believe anything that sounds that crazy.
I'm what you might refer to as a skeptics skeptics.
A skeptics skeptic, which is why I'm writing to you now.
I think that I may have been experiencing something very similar to what your audience has recounted.
I was in the hospital with my wife because our one-month-old daughter was admitted due to a high fever she had.
Well, about 11 p.m.
When I pulled out the recliner that is provided in the room and converted it to my bed for the night, I was asleep on my belly dreaming about various things that are currently too faded to recount.
What I can recall vividly during my dream, I had become aware of my surroundings.
Almost simultaneously, I felt an evil presence in the room.
I was frozen with fear and didn't move a muscle, hoping it was just a bad dream.
All of a sudden, I felt the mattress sink in as if someone had knelt on it.
I then, he goes on, really panicked, but was still paralyzed.
What came next really left an impression on me.
It happened so quickly, frightening.
I saw two black, featureless hands and arms grab each of mine and felt a body lay on top of mine.
When this happened, I was engulfed by this infinite blackness and impeded any movement or breathing.
I instantly thought, oh God, I have just died.
This is what it is to be dead.
And I began to mourn the fact that I would never see my family again.
Just as I was giving into the situation, I thought to myself, that if I'm able to think that I am not dead at all, if I can think I'm not dead, I'm not dead at all.
I then began to attempt to shake my head and succeeded.
When I was able to move, I was released immediately from its grasp and felt as if I had woken from a deep sleep.
Looked around for any sign of the being and found nothing.
I thought it kind of amazing that this topic came up on your show just days after my experience.
And I guess this man now wants a skeptic, he said, is something of a believer.
Things erupting from the earth in strange places.
Very strange places indeed.
If you listen very carefully, that's the topic coming up in a moment.
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It's way out there.
The Catholic Church a few years ago came out with a report that the belief in extraterrestrial life does not negate one's belief system in God.
I found that fascinating, didn't you?
This is something that is certainly a very plausible event, but nevertheless, what we're saying is it is the setup for the Antichrist.
And we had better wake up because if we don't, we are going to find ourselves part of that alien agenda.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11, 2001.
Today, KNYE, my radio station here in Prompt 95.1 on the FM dial, got in its t-shirts.
That's right, remade T-shirts.
And if you would like to see it, if you'll look at my webcam right now, artbell.com, in the webcam photo, you'll see me proudly wearing my new t-shirt, my 95.1 KNYE t-shirt.
We also got, kind of cool, we got bumper stickers that we're going to begin to give away.
We've got coffee mugs coming and all kinds of goodies.
They're on the way.
But if you'll take a look at my webcam, you will see our logo on my t-shirt.
I love black t-shirts.
I've always loved, and I hate white t-shirts.
For camera stuff, if you take a picture of a white t-shirt, it looks like a white blur.
But black t-shirts, on the other hand, I don't know.
It's just something about them.
What's coming out of the Earth that ought not be?
Or maybe it is normal.
There's a big Arctic eruption going on at the Gackle Ridge.
And they've got magma coming up from the Earth's mantle.
It's said to be rather exciting to be the first scientist to observe a volcanic eruption in an ultra-slow-spreading mid-ocean ridge, an event in and of itself that rarely occurs.
Even better is discovering that the USS Hawkbill, which is a submarine equipped with scientific mapping tools, just happened to have been passing by at the same time and recorded the whole event, while the scientists on board were completely unaware of the eruption.
Intense seismic activity began at Gackle Ridge in January of 1999 and continued for seven months.
The Gackle Ridge, again the slowest spreading ridge in the world, located in the Arctic basin.
Initial reports suggest, such as one rather, published on February 15th in Nature, have sparked much interest in the area, culminating in the recent excursion of the U.S. Coast Guard icebreaker, Healy.
So they're really, really interested in what might be going on, or what is, correction, is going on, beneath the frigid waters of the Arctic.
The subs up there.
I've got a kind of an interesting story here about cell phones.
You know, cell phones are not my favorite thing in the world.
And now, maybe I like them even less.
The article says it's from Reuters News, and an expert has been quoted as saying that cell phones are spooking ghosts.
Mobile phones are killing off ghosts, according to a British expert who spent years researching the occult on Sunday, said on Sunday, Tony Cornell of the Society for Psychic Research told the Sunday Express newspaper that reports of ghost sightings had begun to actually decline.
And when did it happen?
When mobile phones were introduced 15 years ago.
So there is the possibility, the possibility, that microwaves at about that frequency affect ghostly entities.
So, you know, suggesting this story might have something to it, if one of you out there, or many of you, are haunted by some sort of entity, you might want to have the cell phone near your bed.
And if something begins to approach in the night, as we heard in that email I read a moment ago, you might just want to pop your cell phone on and, I don't know, call some kind of number, and perhaps the radiation will save you or scare away whatever it is.
According to the newspaper, haunted tourist attractions in Britain could be in trouble because the ghosts are going because of cell phones.
They could be under threat if the number of cell phones continues to grow from the present figure of 39 million.
Apparently, paranormal events, which some scientists put down to unusual electrical activity, could be perhaps drowned out by the electronic noise produced by phone calls and text messages.
Now, isn't that interesting?
Paranormal events, which some scientists put down to unusual electrical activity, could be drowned out by the electronic noise produced by cell phones and or computers of varying sorts.
So in other words, in one way, if you think about it, the more technical we become, the more technical society becomes, the less subject to paranormal events it may be.
And maybe with all the electronics, we're just not listening for things from the other side.
We're so consumed with things from this side all the time, right?
And I think I've got a couple of surprises lined up for you.
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you you're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11th 2001 On the first time caller line, you are on the air.
I was wondering if it's just me or if anybody else has noticed that on all the commercials and TV lately we have these alien commercials and they're like trying to get us used to them.
And so we don't notice, like they're integrating them into society so they'll just, in the future, they'll be like our buddies.
So that one day if we do hear about aliens arriving or see it on the nightly news with Mr. Brookhaw, it will not be such a shock to us because we've been seeing it in movies and television and hearing about it on my program.
There are many who believe that they are here now.
That they are all among us right now.
Now, I don't know if I'm one of those people.
Well, I might be.
And as far as when we will be first officially visited, I don't know.
I really don't know.
However, if you take the crop circles in Great Britain, the most recent ones, the face, the glyph into consideration, then it might be getting pretty close.
Because it's gone from a sort of, with crop circles, a sort of, hey, guess what this is, folks, to more of a, here's what this is, folks.
And I suppose the next step, obviously, from there would be some sort of presence or arrival.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Top of the morning to you.
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Yes.
Hey, I want to ask you, if anybody out there, any of the experts on Champ, Lake Champaign, if there's any kind of a pattern for him when he shows up in the summertime, because my family and I would like to go, you know, just a camp, stay like it.
I'm sure those of you who know something about Champ and Lake Champlain would be able to answer that question.
We are going to be talking about, I don't know, what is Bigfoot, you know?
What is Bigfoot?
Is Bigfoot a monster?
Is Bigfoot a dimensional being?
bigfoot simply something that has been here all the time or much longer than we have and continues to exist in a sort of an interesting existence one that is neither fully here nor fully there because of the nature of sightings and the fact that we don't have any bodies yet west of the rockies you're on the air hello yes art art yes yeah Bob in L.A. Yes, Bob.
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When you and Linda and the other people start talking about that city off the coast of Cuba, I broke out my Reader's Digest, Great World Atlas, and I was starting to look at Cuba.
And then my eyes passed up to the page previous to that on Mexico and the Yucatan Peninsula.
And something struck my eye.
About 50 miles off the coast of Mexico in the Yucatan Peninsula, there's a perfect circle, a 375-mile diameter circle, that's centered about 93 degrees and 40 minutes west latitude and about 21 degrees and 30 minutes north latitude.
Now, at one time, they had postulated that about 50 million years ago, a huge meteor struck the Earth, and that's the center of the Earth.
Right, that's possibly what sunk, you know, or the dinosaurs.
Now, if you look at the Gulf of Mexico, I don't think the Gulf of Mexico was there at that time.
Because if you track, if the meteor struck there, and you track it, the Gulf of Mexico, to the northeast, it heads right up towards the Bermuda Triangle.
Now, if that meteor entered into the Earth, and they say some postulate that it actually penetrated the Earth's crust, now that would have left a huge open borehole right down through there.
It is as good a guess, sir, as any, or as good a scenario as any.
Right now, everybody is predictably in an uproar.
As I read you last night, some British scientists are all upset about Paulina Zelitsky's find, and they don't like it.
They don't want to hear about it.
They don't want to think that everything they have thought previously could be all wrong, and they could be all wet.
And, you know, there could have been people running around on Earth long before any of them said it could be.
What kind of tragedy, a personal one, for them would that be, a very serious one?
So they have puffed and puffed and blown at Ms. Zelitsky's house, but she said, look, it's just fact.
You know, you're not here in Cuba.
You're in Great Britain.
And so what the hell do you know?
We have fact here.
And we can prove what we're saying.
So I guess the report so long ago was right.
The ones affected most negatively by change of any sort, aliens arriving, Earth's history, man's history, the ones who will be affected in the most negative, dire way will be the scientists who have postulated their theories as fact about when man first walked and all the rest of it.
Well, given that, and if you was to go and take out the World Trade Center, and like I said, being as intelligent as he is, wouldn't you think he would have a plan B after, in fact, he did what he did?
I phoned about was something that happened to me, oh, many, many years ago, 25 years ago.
I was at the farm visiting my parents, and my brothers and I, well, then my dad decided to sit down and play with the Ouija board.
Yeah.
Well, something really strange happened where on the farm there's a big square out on the property.
It used to be part of the old Red River Trail.
And it's recessed square in the ground.
And then inside that there's another recessed square outline.
And we got playing with the Ouija board anyway, and this chief Buffo come through the Ouija board and said that he had been massacred or murdered and buried out by this buffalo rubbing stone.
That's a lot of moving around on that board to explain all of that.
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Well, through the process of over an hour, this happened.
And so we had a backhoe out there in the next couple days, and we went out, and every time we went out, tried to dig up this stone, and around the stone, it would start to rain.
Now, as strange as that may seem, but that's one of the strangest things I ever come across.
It makes me wonder that even though it's nice to know there might be a way to protect yourself from entity attacks and things like that, it kind of concerns me that you might actually be scrambling certain lesser used parts of your brain at the same time.
Well, I know, but if you're, I mean, how frequently are you attacked by an entity?
After all, if you had a cell phone handy and you could use it as a defense, you know, like holy water or whatever, just flip open your flip open, flip open your cell phone and radiate a little RF and away it goes.
But, you know, there is one less soul to feed.
I mean, where is this entity going, and what are you doing to it with these frequencies?
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Well, my concern really would be is not so much that you're doing something to the entity, but that you're just making it impossible for any interaction, which would kind of...
Thank you very much for the call, sir, and take care.
I don't like them.
I mean, and again, begging your indulgence, not this last caller, but the caller previous, was on a cell phone.
Now I ask you, is the way that sounded, in your opinion, a step forward for technology and civilization?
Or is it a step backward?
I maintain it is a step backward.
And I wish these cell phone companies would get their act together and make it sound like real communication instead of something coming through, you know, Rod Serling's chest.
I just, I'm so down on cell phones.
But on the other hand, if they'll if they'll shoe away an attacking entity, then perhaps they have some good.
Yes, Mars, they say, will heat up and the poles will melt.
And they say this will occur because of the increased heat from the sun.
And my nagging question is, well, then, how about third rock from the sun?
You know, good old Earth here.
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How about us?
If they're going to be affected that way, then what's it going to do to us?
Well, the only thing I was thinking was maybe the reason it might heat Mars up more than the Earth is because they don't really have an atmosphere right now.
Well, maybe, or perhaps, as I said the other evening, there is another possibility, and that is that depending on the Sun's cycle, or cycles within cycles, it may be that every now and then Mars becomes the habitable, cool place to be with an atmosphere and water and all the rest of it.
And then Earth becomes the not-so-cool in more ways than one place to be, and frankly, not so habitable.
And maybe it's a big race to see whether we can get transportation for most of us from here to there before it happens.
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Good morning from the high desert coming up, Robert W. Morgan.
It's all about Bigfoot, folks, and I think I've got a couple of surprises for you toward the bottom of the hour.
We'll see.
Robert Morgan is a Bigfoot researcher, founder of the American Anthropological Research Foundation.
Robert's initial encounter took place in 1957 in Mason County, Washington, when he came face to face with something he considered, in quotes, a giant gorilla following his sin in the U.S. Navy and his education as a data processing systems engineer for the FAA.
Robert launched a career both in filmmaking and the search for the truth behind the Bigfoot.
He recruited a 17-member science advisory board that included many luminaries before organizing six of the most scientific expeditions ever formed in America.
Backed by the National Wildlife Federation and other private parties, his 1974 expedition resulted in the classic film The Search for Bigfoot and his inclusion in the record-setting Smithsonian series Monsters, Myth or Mystery.
His photographs have appeared in many publications, including Arthur C. Clarke's works, Great Magazine, and multiple other works has appeared on many TV and radio shows, including repeatedly here.
In addition, several Native American dignitaries have assisted Robert.
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You know, just like in the UFO community, and maybe any community for that matter, among those who speak to the issue, there's just a lot of infighting.
Well, you know, this goes, at first, when I first encountered it, I thought that it was strictly an ego thing, and I thought that perhaps it was because some of the, I called them so-called researchers, were more into the research to gather limelight to themselves, to attract attention to themselves.
A lot of them were from very small towns, and they were the big man on campus, so to speak.
And they really had no academic credentials behind them.
They had no really formulated plan of any sort.
And so I thought, well, gee, maybe it's just because there aren't really a lot of scientists involved.
But then the more I got involved with science in other facets, I discovered that there's a great amount of professional jealousy in the scientific community.
And I think one of the greatest, I think, disservices has been done to Dr. Grover Krantz at Washington State University, a comparative anatomist and a very well-educated man.
And his book, The Track of Bigfoot, things like this, and his reports, he was really castigated by his peers.
And many of the people that formed my science advisory board, one in particular, Dr. Carl Finn S. Kuhn, who is professor emeritus at Penn State, and he wrote a book that is now passed by because we've learned, you know, as we've gone on, it was called The Races of Man.
They also suffered the same thing, but at a different level.
So I guess it just comes down that a lot of human beings are just jealous and small-minded, and I guess that's the way they are.
As I've said so many times, you know, people talk about Bigfoot this and Bigfoot that, and I say, well, you know, the one thing about them, I've never heard of them raping a child, kidnapping anyone.
I've never heard of them breaking into a car, stealing it.
I think that the more they have observed us, and yet they have watched the gentler side of us, and they've been seen many times.
There's a school teacher in a small rural town in Ohio who have seen Bigfoot families, a small family, I'm not talking about anything large, but three or four at a time, come just outside the periphery of the vision of most people near her small country school.
It's down in the Amish country.
And she was quite straightforward and she said, yes, I've seen them now.
They've been back two or three years.
And they come down and they sit just inside the woods and watch the children play.
And I think that's fascinating.
Another thing was old-time engineers on some of the smaller roads would tell me of them being seen watching the trains go by, just sitting on the bank and watching.
And right here in Montana, not too long ago, in a pass, it's called Mariah's Pass, indeed, the engineers have seen the Bigfoot families.
You know, I think it was kind of funny to say, but simultaneously, I think there's a lot of truth to it.
The more they see of the little hairless people who scream at just about anything, and if you go into the national parks and view us from afar, you know, here's this beautiful wilderness and all these majestic things, and here comes the family screaming, yelling, dropping gum wrappers and things like that.
We're not necessarily, as a matter of fact, in anthropology, the more I've studied it, as I've said so many times, I've learned more about my fellow man than I have about Bigfoot simply by watching their reactions.
Back in 57, when you were hunting, you saw your first, but you originally reported what you saw, not as Bigfoot or as something distinctly different, but as a guerrilla.
I had been aboard the USS Princeton, an anti-submarine, an anti-submarine warfare aircraft carrier.
And after being imprisoned aboard ship for a tour of the Far East, I took any chance to go to the woods.
And I had gone up with a friend of mine up in Mason County, and he turned to the right, and I went to the left.
And I say I was hunting because I had a gun and all that stuff.
But I really had no interest in hurting anything.
I just was out there.
And something came down through the brush, I guess it was around 9 o'clock in the morning, and I heard it, and I finally stood up, and it was something good-sized that was in the brush.
I couldn't see what it was.
And I finally called out, and all of a sudden it just went dead silent.
And first time in my life, every hair on my body stood up, and I couldn't quite figure out why was I concerned.
Yeah, so I called the sheriff and they took down all the information.
And the more I listened to their questions, the more I thought, now wait a second, I have about four months to go before I'm going out of the Navy, right?
And I thought they were going to send somebody down with a little white coat.
Okay, well, I mean, you must have known, though, somewhere in some part of your mind that what you saw really was not exactly a gorilla, or you would not have proceeded the way you did.
Yes, and he and Ed Genata, he had formed PETCO, which unfortunately ran up against Ronnie Reagan.
But I spoke to him, and I just couldn't go on, and they said, well, why don't you resign, write a book?
So I did.
It was called The Life Jugglers.
But anyway, it was about the situation.
I got to Miami, and I thought, I'm going to the mountains, and I had run a probability, a statistical program.
And I had chosen places in America, or in North America, actually, where the ecology had not necessarily changed, not essentially, and that the systems, the ecosystems could still support a life form such as that.
As a matter of fact, on that very first trip, the very first trip, that program that I wrote, Works and Magic, the very first night, this is hard to believe, but there were two other guys with me.
All we had was a map.
I'd never been to this part of the state of Washington before.
Toward Trout Lake, we had driven to the end of the road.
And the snow was above the camper on my pickup truck.
I got on the roof of that.
We jumped off into the snow and we went walking.
It was such a beautiful night.
We struck tracks, two sets, and there was a smaller one next to a larger one.
We could not match the stride of the larger one, heading toward Sleeping Woman Mountain, which is a wilderness area.
Now, suppose I were to tell you that I've got a couple of police.
I've got a friend, a very good friend named Renee Barnett, who's a television segment producer.
And she said, all right, there's something going on with Bigfoot in Oklahoma.
and she gave me the names of a couple of police officers in oklahoma who apparently saw something now i don't know a whole lot about story beyond that but there were were i guess reports of He's going to talk to us.
His name is Dan.
We'll only call him Dan.
He's a police officer in Oklahoma.
Dan, you're on the air with Robert Morgan and Ark Bell.
Me and my neighbor, he also, he works for the major newspaper in town.
And me and him went four-wheeling.
And we went up to the northeastern part of the state, went quite a ways back off the road, traveled along the river.
We followed the river for quite a ways, real rugged country, just four-wheel drive country.
Sure.
It was just about dark at the beginning of the year around February, just almost getting dark.
Come over a little hill and have a straight shot through the woods.
You know, the trail just keeps going straight.
And approximately 50 feet in front of us, something steps off from the river side of the road, which is the right side.
There was tall grass, real, real tall grass.
I want to call it like cane.
Stepped out of the cane and crossed the road, did kind of like the Patterson video, you know, where he turns his whole upper torso, stopped, looked at us, and then kept on trucking right in the woods.
And we still had a visual on where it had stopped.
I got out of the Jeep, picked up a fairly good-sized log, and I heaved it and nearly hitting the tree that I threw it, that it was hiding behind.
And it didn't budge.
It stayed there.
After that happened, after it didn't move, we both decided that it was best just to get in the Jeep and go ahead and get out of there because neither one of us were sure what we had just seen.
It was total silence all the way out of the woods.
We didn't talk about it all the way out of the woods.
And we got there early that day, and we were going to meet up with two other people that were going to bring Jeeps, and we were going to go four-wheeling.
Got there early, started cooking, started a campfire.
I was chopping wood, and Jeff was shooting a new gun that he had just purchased.
And there's big hills out here, real steep hills.
You can't hardly even walk up on them.
I started hearing something coming down the hill.
Like rocks kind of rolling down the hill, branches breaking and stuff.
I could hear stuff moving around behind me, and I turn around and I look, and the same time of year, no foliage on the trees.
You could see through the woods.
It didn't see anything.
And so a few minutes later, I hear the noise again, and every time I hear it, it's coming closer.
It's approaching.
I asked Jeff, he stopped shooting his gun, and I asked him, I said, are you hearing that?
And he didn't tune into it right away.
And as it got real close to us, there was a big mound of dirt just behind my back.
It was a big mound of dirt.
And that's where I was hearing all the noises from, which the mound of dirt is at the bottom of the hill.
And it's approximately about 12 feet tall and about 20 feet long, mound of dirt.
And when it got to that point, Jeff started, he began to hear it moving around behind us.
And it was fairly close to us.
And it sounded like something was crawling on its belly.
And it only moved when we were talking or making noise.
And if we stopped making any type of noise, it would not move.
But if I started to talk again, you could hear it moving around.
I mean, just very softly moving around.
At that time, we both decided to reload the guns, grab the guns, and grab the flashlights, and we walked, we kind of stealthily walked to the end of this mounted dirt, which is probably about 20 feet long, and we walked down a little gravel road.
And when we got positioned to the end of the mound of dirt, we both turned on our flashlights, and here's this creature, and it's like either laying flat on its belly or like low kneeling.
You know, it's very, very crouched down, very low.
And when we turn the flashlights on, this thing begins to stand up.
At one point in time, before we had approached it, when we had both began to hear the noises, when Jeff tuned into it and there was a lot of rustling around when we were making noise, when I started to hear it and Jeff started to hear it, I shot a few rounds over the top of that mount of dirt before we walked back there.
Now, you would think that the sound of gunfire would absolutely repel anything like this, but obviously either that or it was interested in the gunfire.
Yes, this has happened in the state of Washington while I was in Cougar, Washington.
A very similar incident happened to a Marine that was on leave, and he shot an elk.
And a large male came down, and he cut loose on the Bigfoot and hit it.
But the Bigfoot was coming in for the elk.
And also, a few years prior to that, this was in the early 70s, there had been a hunter that had been killed there that had shot several rounds after he had the elk on the ground and had begun skinning it.
And he fired several rounds, and unfortunately, he was badly beaten.
I reported it with David Wilbanks on online and he's at southernbigfoot.com and that's where my stories, both of the stories that I just told you, are posted at.
And since I've met with him in the last eight months, you know, we've been going back and we've gotten, we've casted two different size of prints, one which was fairly small.
After that second encounter with Jeff, I came home and I started looking online.
I started looking at Bigfoot.
Because this is something I hadn't, this was all new to me.
I'd heard about Bigfoot.
I'm only 32 years old, but Bigfoot, you don't hear about it every day.
And I started looking online and I ran across Southern Bigfoot and they're based out of Oklahoma and I contacted David Wilbanks and he was real receptive.
He came right up here and the first day we went out there we casted two tracks, two really great tracks.
How big?
Approximately about 13 inches long and I'd say about 6.5 inches wide.
Well officer, you know, maybe you understand now, you know, when a witness has a hard time describing a perp because they were in shock, maybe you understand.
And go to the American Yeti Expedition section and see if that can be of some help to you.
And then if you send me an email with your address, I will send you a copy of our audio cassette and then the new CDs that I'm coming out with and see if that can help you.
Sometimes they'll come to target practice and watch.
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And when we both had a target picture, you know, we both had guns drawn and a target picture to shoot at.
And we're both trained, you know, to kill.
And at no time did either one of us, it never crossed either one of our minds to go ahead and shoot it because we knew we were, you know, the caliber weapons that we had were just too small.
We had gone back since, and I know what you were going to say to that about you're glad that I didn't shoot it because of the theory that if there's one, there's probably at least one more there, you bet.
And we have gone back since, and we'll have, I've heard rocks clacking together on one side of the camp.
I mean, we're talking 10 feet in the woods, and 20 feet on the other side of the woods, you'd hear rocks clacking and movement, and so on and so forth.
Have the police there, have you all had official reports?
No, I haven't checked on the official reports.
I've talked to several of the people that have lived there all their life, several of the business people that have worked there and lived there all their life, and they've all either seen or heard several stories about Bigfoot in that area.
I'm curious, how many reports like the one you just heard from a police officer, and here to come, his, well, I don't know whether it's his partner, but another police officer backing him up.
How frequently do you get reports of this caliber?
And it's usually behind, I must really take my hat off to these gentlemen.
Most police officers speak among themselves, but they never go public because there's a possibility they could lose their jobs if they have the wrong kind of people around them.
In Ohio, for instance, someplace I'm very familiar, they had quite a few sightings.
And I questioned that myself, and I went down to the sheriff's department, and so happened my cousin was a sheriff officer, and some of their most senior officers took me into one of those questioning rooms, closed the door, and then told me what they themselves had seen.
But they had been given an order by the sheriff in this county that if they discussed it, they would lose their jobs.
Because they can't protect you.
They're afraid, and there's religious problems there.
Robert Morgan is my guest, and because the officer I have on the line right now is actually on patrol, I suspect, in his patrol car right now, we're going to hold the brake for a moment and with Robert Morgan go directly back to Oklahoma to a patrol car and an officer named Jeff.
But uh we'd uh decided to uh cook a little bit of dinner.
It was just before dusk.
And uh we turned the radio on on the truck and we're sitting back and we're eating and uh it was starting to get dark, and Danny pointed it out again to me.
And that time I'd heard it.
And it was just like a quiet rustling in the leaves, probably, I'd say, no more than 50 yards over the edge of this berm.
And it seemed like it was getting closer.
And once it got, I would say, probably 20 yards away from us, it actually seemed like it was starting to circle us.
First it was going to the left, and then it started coming back to the right.
And we're talking a pretty extended period of time because it was dark by the time it started coming back to the right.
I would say probably 30 to 45 minutes that we were actually had turned the radio off and we were listening.
And in that time is when Dan had fired five or six rounds over this hill.
We're thinking if it's an animal out there, it's going to run away and it's not going to bother us.
But if it's somebody out there messing with us, they're going to say, hey, hey, I'm over here.
So then you really concur with everything he said.
Is there anything he said you can add to?
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Other than, I mean, it really did seem like it was maybe crawling on all fours.
When I first saw it, it was as if it was standing up and like it was on its knees.
And even when it was on its knees, it appeared to be at least five and a half to six feet tall.
And as it stood up, that's when I don't know if you want to call it fight or flight, but I was ready to fly away and get as far away, as fast away as I could.
You have two police officers corroborating each other's stories who do not think but know they saw Bigfoot.
Robert Morgan is an expert on all of this.
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Do you believe it's there?
Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
But it isn't.
We don't have the government anymore.
What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies.
But we have no representation in that government.
So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
And it's taken a while to set up, but I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11, 2001.
I attended the FAA Academy there in Oklahoma City.
In fact, my daughter was born there in Oklahoma City, so I spent quite a bit of time, and I had a horse, and I was able to get out quite a bit in the distances.
And there's no question that Bigfoot, especially, you look down towards the Washington Mountains, which goes down toward Arkansas.
And if you, I was in the Navy with a Pawnee Indian, Pawnee and Kiowa combination, and I went over to the reservations, and they have no question in their minds that the Bigfoot existed there, have for centuries.
So there's no question these gentlemen, from what I heard on the first interview, the gentleman is very sincere.
Well, it is interesting that two police officers are willing to come forward on a subject of this sort for the reasons that you laid down a little while ago with reference to Ohio.
But I guess, you know, departments differ wildly, and in some of them, I guess you're allowed to say what you saw.
Well, we had tracked a short distance, but none of us, none of us could believe that we were that fortunate or that my program was that.
We just could not believe it.
So we went back to the truck and went on with our trek.
I think it was the second night in.
We were quite a ways up.
We had stopped the truck and we were now on snowshoes and hauling a sled behind us.
And we were getting definitely into the wilderness and there were no tracks around us.
It was just us.
And we had camped next to a stream that was starting to flow.
I was starting to break up.
And in the middle of the night, we heard this snuffling, snorting sound.
This sounded like a horse trying to sniff the air.
And each one of us looked at the other and we were awakened.
And I said, you go check it out.
And I said, no, you go.
It's your idea.
So none of us checked it out.
And the next morning we went up over the top of this little ridge and there was nothing there.
It was just a small snowbank and there was nothing there but this stream.
So naturally, well, we thought we heard this.
Well, collectively, the three of us must have been dreaming.
A few miles further up, we found where someone with large feet, barefoot, had come out of that mountain stream, came up onto the road, turned around twice, walked back down into the stream, and continued going downstream.
We had some unfortunate accident while we were up there.
We got into a whiteout, and the boots we were testing for a major manufacturer, we won't mention his name, froze my feet, and they were supposed to be waterproof.
They weren't.
Anyway, we finally had to trek out and when we did get out, we found out that on the other end of that stream, going downstream into the White Salmon River, there had been indeed sightings.
And about this time, they had had a sighting near Bonneville on the river, the Columbia River.
So we pursued that.
Of course, I was limping by this time on frozen feet.
We got down there, and this is where I ran into Conrad Lundy, who is commissioner of the Scamane County, and I ran into the gentleman who owned the Scamane County pioneer, Roy Kraft.
And their hunters were everywhere.
Everyone was there with their rifles, their shotguns, everything.
I asked him what the hell was going on, and he told me.
And I could tell he was a local.
I didn't know he was the county commissioner.
And he said, I suppose you're here to kill it, too.
And I said, absolutely not.
And I went off on him.
And being, of course, a very shy individual that I am.
And I said, he said, well, it's not against the law.
I said, well, it's sure as hell should be.
He said, well, I'm the county commissioner.
I said, well, don't stand there.
Do something.
Somebody's going to get shot up here, and it's going to be more than the Bigfoot.
So he took me down and introduced me to a gentleman by the Roy Kraft, and I wish you had met him.
This guy was the quintessential editor to a small newspaper.
He had the cigarette ash that was longer than the cigarette.
But there was something about seeing these people out there, my gun's bigger than yours, etc.
I saw no glory in that.
And the more I came to know the Bigfoot people, the more I realized, on the average, of course, they're just like us.
There's good, there's bad, there's some that have had some rotten experiences with the little careless people.
And then when I got to know the American Indians, I really dug into my own past.
I'm Apache and German mix.
And the more I dug into it, the more I realized why?
How do we become so arrogant that in order for something to be protected, in order for something to be accepted, we have to kill it in order to dissect it?
And isn't there something, the other half of this term that we grandly put on ourselves?
It's unattributed because the person doesn't want me to give their name for understandable reasons.
I'll read you what I've got as best I can, Art.
I am a member of the national media and an Avid fan.
Here's something I just picked up from a friend of mine at the Washington Times.
They're going to run this in the morning paper.
Please do not mention my name on the air.
Regards, he gives his name, and he works for one of the big free networks, and I won't even say where.
Washington, D.C. An American Taliban fighter held captive by Marines in Afghanistan apparently has told American officials that al-Qaeda's next attack on the United States will take place in days and involve biological weapons,
U.S. intelligence officials told The Washington Times, John Walker Lind, L-I-N-B-H, the Taliban guerrilla captured near Mazar-e-Sharif, said in intelligent debriefings at the U.S. Marine Corps base near Kandahar that phase two of al-Qaeda's war against the U.S. will occur at the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which, by the way, ends on Sunday.
He told the U.S. intelligence officials that the Ramadan attack is going to involve the use of biological weapons.
The information was among other intelligence reports that led the Bush administration to issue a public warning last week.
Remember that?
About a possible terrorist attack.
So, this allegedly is going to run in the Washington Times within hours.
And it certainly would back up what we are seeing on the Drudge report this morning.
So I guess you're going to want to bear all of this in mind.
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It's way out there.
The Catholic Church a few years ago came out with a report that the belief in extraterrestrial life does not negate one's belief system in God.
I found that fascinating, didn't you?
This is something that is certainly a very plausible event, but nevertheless, what we're saying is it is the setup for the Antichrist.
And we had better wake up because if we don't, we are going to find ourselves part of that alien agenda.
Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Art Bell Tomorrow night here, we're going to have a Native American named Red Elk.
He is a self-described half-breed Native American from the Blackfeet and Shoshone Nations, member of the Hayoka Native American Lost Boys, which he is one of 12 inner Hayoka.
Was one of the last nine members of the Red Web Society who are working to bring understanding to Earth.
He is the official keeper of the tunnels, official keeper of the pyramids, temporary caretaker of the flying dragon drum, very sacred drum on the Hopi Nation, the altar carrier of the nations, and he is going to tell us about a world underground that is going to blow your mind.
Red Elk tomorrow night on what's below our feet.
Now back to Robert Morgan.
And Robert, I should tell the audience, and I want to make this very clear, I have a recording of Bigfoot, as you know, or what is said to be Bigfoot.
This recording I obtained from Linda Moulton Howe, who played it with the permission of those who made the recording.
That is where I got the recording.
You know something about the providence of this recording, don't you?
I've never heard that echo chamber that they like to play that in.
That sounds to me like someone's in the top of a church steeple trying to pretend.
The recording or the sounds that I've heard of, they have never done anything like that.
What have you heard?
Well, I've had them come close by and actually imitating birds and then change from one bird to another in mid-sentence, I guess you might say, or mid-sound.
But I've heard a lot of the articulations that are really well represented in Ron Moorhead's in Alan Berry's recording.
Yeah, there's something that sounded to me like you're not welcome.
They actually had vowels and which was tough to swallow at first, but the more I've listened to it, and more than that, even going on beyond that, because there's no sense in projecting what we would like to hear.
But to know, to realize that they're using vowels so clearly, this means they have an articulated speech pattern.
That means that they are above the chimpanzee, which that in the orang is supposed to be our closest relatives, who cannot because their tongues are not affixed the same as ours.
They can't articulate.
But these people do.
I've heard it so many times, and they are one of the masters of imitation.
I would assume that they do, because, again, we would be so arrogant, wouldn't we, if we say, oh, we're special because of this and that and the other thing.
Sure, and because if they were so, and they are clannish, I mean, in the sense that they run in small little pods, like little family units, and they seem to keep to a single family most of the time, and yet they do have rendezvous.
And I inserted myself accidentally into one of their rendezvous one evening, and it really irritated them.
We had gone down, Scott Church and I had gone into a place in La Valley, and it was around 12.31 o'clock in the morning, and I love to go places where no one knows where I am.
And went trotting down in there, and I heard a call.
It was a bird call late at night, so I answered it.
And I got a response from the opposite ridge.
So I merrily called alone.
And they called back, and they started coming closer.
And the closer they came, and then all of a sudden, there was this dead silence again.
I mean, it's like running into a brick wall.
And when I tell you that, I swear, even the insects stopped.
And Scott and I stopped in our tracks, and all of a sudden, this thing cut loose on us with this scream, with this gibberish, and it sounds very, well, gibberish because I don't understand it.
Certainly not gibberish to them, but they really were insulted and angry.
And they left.
And it took me a while to realize what I had done.
I had come in on a movement route, had heard their call and had responded.
And apparently I imitated it well enough that I fooled them.
They were looking for another family coming, and they were merrily coming down to say hello to Joe and Mary that just came in from the next valley.
And they were really ticked off.
They were angry that I had fooled them, and I certainly didn't mean to, but I did.
And the University of Miami is guilty of the same thing.
There was a femur down there that was huge, just absolutely long.
And it was hanging in a curio shop.
And one of the anthropologists took it in, and it disappeared.
And outside of a little town called Ech Tabulo, Ohio, there had been a graveyard found up there when they first started clearing the land for the city.
And they discovered these bodies that were in excess of between six and seven feet tall.
And, you know, our ancestors were not that tall.
If you look at the, go to the museum and take a look at the riding habit of George Custer.
If they are in your area, your odds are extremely high.
Extremely high.
In fact, I hope those policemen, I wish that policemen, and I wish the Southern Bigfoot organization would contact, get a copy of these things, because this is a culmination of 30 years of experience.
I have done it.
I've been there.
And this is how, and it starts from ground zero where to start your own research.
Well, the ultimate adventure, which is its companion, I met the recording engineer to that when I was on my way to Moscow, Russia, and I met him in Frankfurt, and I heard these people whispering behind me, that's the Bigfoot guy.
I thought, oh, Lord, mother duck, I can't even go to Russia, you know.
And he was a supreme engineer.
He had worked with Rod Stewart and Cher and the Jacksons and all this stuff.
And he told me, he said, when we get back, if you want to do something, I will do it.
Robert Morgan is here, and we're talking about Bigfoot Lines are loaded.
We're about to go to the lines.
If you have any questions, hopefully we'll have some answers.
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Let's talk a little bit about the shadow government.
Do you believe it's there?
Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
But it isn't.
We don't have the government anymore.
What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies, but we have no representation in that government.
So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
And it's taken a while to set up, but I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11, 2001.
About three of my friends, we were up hunting around Cody, Wyoming.
And me and my friends, we're more like traditionalists.
We try to preserve the style of hunting back to the mountain man type, you know, with old Muzzle.
And so we really have done a lot of research and a lot of researching in clothing and weapon use and all that.
Well, we were up in Cody, Wyoming at a friend's ranch up there doing mule deer hunting in the old traditional style.
And we were up there and we had shot a mule deer.
We've been up there about two weeks and finally shot a mule deer.
We're up there with pack horses and we're cutting this mule deer up, put on pack horses.
And all of a sudden there's what I thought at the time was this animal coming up.
And it was kind of growling and snarling, not really snarling, but kind of bearing its teeth.
I told my friends, I said, let's go with what we got on the horses and leave the rest.
And so we went back to our base camp.
Later that night, I heard rustling in the leaves.
I figured, I told my friends, I said, well, bears are trying to get to the meat.
Let's reposition it.
And we do.
And didn't really notice anything.
And got up the next morning.
I asked my friends, I said, did you know something odd about that animal yesterday?
They just kind of said, yeah, I really hadn't seen anything like that, but we're not really from this country.
So I figured it was something just native to this country.
I said, yeah, me too.
So we go out and go scouting for more mule deer.
And I come back, me and a friend of mine come back early.
And I heard some rustling in the camp.
I said, bears have gotten into meat again.
So let's sneak up real quiet and see if we can catch it and scare it off.
So we sneak up to it, and there's this, looks like a guy in a, have you ever seen the old pictures of the Indians or the mountain men with big buffalo capes around them?
Well, what you performed was something very similar to what the Native Americans would have done and are continuing to do.
And that is to share what they have.
And had you stuck around there after you gave him that, more than likely, within a day or two, you'd find some gifts that would have appeared.
And I'm not talking about something from Muskirs or Roebuck, you know.
But you would have found something that would have been important that he thought would be important to you, even if it would have been new sticks or reeds to repair your packs or something along those lines.
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We talked about this after we got back, and we did a little bit of research, and it was like, you know, I'll bet you that was Bigfoot that we saw.
More and more are coming to that because, and I want to say that some of my colleagues that are like myself are getting through to people, and I think, I hope we are, and more and more people are reacting to the Bigfoot as, well, it's not bothering me.
And of course, they're cautious, just like the police officers.
They had their weapons in case.
But they didn't do, unfortunately, what Bugs did, the fellow that we had talked about before.
I have a good friend that he's called up on the Ard Bell Show a number of times under several assumed names because he's a very paranoid sort, just like most of us.
And, anyway, so he says that he knows in the Shasta area, of course, all the, you know, the stuff that goes on in Shasta and the Shasta Mountains, that's a whole different program.
Well, he says that he knows some Sasquatch, a whole Sasquatch family in the area, and that he believes that they are interdimensional.
Now, that's my big, you know, that's my thing.
I want to ask, do you have any idea if they can possibly be, you know, maybe they have some sort of, you know, something that we are lacking now that we have just, you know, it's faded out in the human.
Okay, I think we really already answered this when I asked the question about the paranormal.
But you're welcome to enlarge.
You know, what I think is true, Robert, is that we assign in our minds, when something is as elusive as this, we automatically, in our minds, we assign it to the paranormal category.
Oh, well, I think there probably is, as we mentioned earlier, you know, most of the theoretical physicists, who are right on top right now, believe there may be 11 or more.
And so I believe that.
But in this case, you're just saying you think these creatures are as real as we are.
Since you were on the last time, sir, I have tried, tried, tried very hard to locate a story that I read about 19 somewhere between 50 and 55 of a group of people who brought maybe 300 or 400 Mai Sai warriors from Africa over to South America.
They were young children at the time, and they were going to be used to pick fruit or whatnot back in those days.
And after about a year or so, they found out that they could not communicate with each other verbally and whatnot, and that it wasn't working out.
So they took the majority of them up to the rainforest and left them there.
And I was wondering, have you heard any of this story?
Well, you know, after you were on the last time and you were telling about these things, that popped into my mind and I started thinking about that, how they could have come up from South America through Mexico into the Southwest.
You know, so these are actual human beings that you would be able to identify in a New York second.
I will say there is, in South America, in Venezuela, and especially in Ecuador, they call it mono grande, otherwise the big monkey.
And a friend of mine, Count Pino Torolla, he was an exploratory archaeologist, looking for the lost gold of Pizarro.
He was looking for gold, and he saw them on two separate occasions.
In fact, there is a feeling among the Native Americans, and it seems to go even into South America, that if you really do something bad toward the Bigfoot, you have what they call bad luck.
And whether you bring it about yourself or is there something mystical, I don't know.
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robert morgan back in a moment You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11, 2001.
Yes, as a matter of fact, the artistfirst.com people contacted me, and it was after we did the bug show, because when I tell you I had over nearly 400 or 386 emails, I mean, I was flooded.
And of course, Artist First just loved it.
So they invited me to do a test balloon.
And so far, for whatever reason, each Tuesday night, and it's between 9 and 10 Eastern Time, I have had a marvelous audience.
I'm not as charming as you are, nor am I as good-looking.
We do the artistfirst.com as to how you can get onto it.
But the American Anthological Research Foundation, of which I'm president, we're involved in a lot of things.
The Institute for Neuroscience Awareness is one, which has to do with EEG neurofeedback for brain trauma, curing brain trauma problems, and circumventing it.
We also have the Institute for Children with Challenges.
And in order to clip this aneurysm without killing her, the only thing they could do was to lower her body temperature way down, and her heart stopped.
They pumped all the blood out of her body, every last bit of the blood out of her body, and her brain waves stopped for an hour.
You know, if I can't get my toe into everything that's going on, as long as it has one thing, and that's a positive thing, someday I would like you to talk with a young rabbi named McColleen Smith, whose son Judah was considered an idiot with the IQ of 30.
And he was totally flaccid.
He was a destroyed.
Fortunately, his brain was destroyed during vacuum extraction.
You should speak with the little boy.
He now speaks French, German.
He is obviously English.
He may step.
He may actually be able to move and stand, not too distant future, all because of EEG neurofeedback.
But that's another subject, and I know that it's Bigfoot.
I'm a physical anthropology student here at the University of Oklahoma, and I just got done with a Yeti research paper.
And one of the questions I had upon doing the research was that I am assuming that, like, I guess there's a lot of geographical variations that a lot of researchers in this field kind of acknowledge, like Yeti, Sasquatch, and the South American, I guess, counterpart to that is the Kurapira, I think, or something like that.
Because, for instance, I noticed the difference in the body type in South Florida, in the Florida Everglades.
They're tall, very slender, very almost emaciated in comparison to the giants that you find of the massive chest and all of this.
And the rationale behind that, I'm a slow learner, believe me, it takes a long time for things to sink in.
But I discovered, you know, the key deer that they have in Florida are tiny because they don't need that massive body around them to keep the intestines warm.
And so what happens here is things have adapted.
So the Bigfoot sightings in Florida would be distinctly different.
Isolated gene pools also would be multiplied according.
I'm sure you know you're familiar with Mendelian genetics because you'd have a fallout when you have certain groups that have been isolated in certain areas for X period of time.
Two things are going to affect them.
First of all, their environment, and second of all, the gene pool from which they can draw.
Am I right?
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Right, that's exactly right.
I was just like, there seemed to be so much literature on the subject, and based off that, I had understood that there was just a lot of groupings into different categorical kind of divisions based off the environment and geography.
I mean, there was, I mean, just even around the Himalayas, there were several subdivisions of the Yeti phenomenon there alone.
And it was just, I just found it pretty fascinating that there was so many of these kind of regional things that were just, that were all locked up together based off just the literature that was involved.
Well, the major differentiation that I've been able to, the primary thing that I've been able to note in the Homalias, for instance, and I'm trying so hard to put things together, I want to go to Mongolia.
There's an isolated area there, that I think I'm going to try my methodology, my protocol for contacting them passively.
And I might get my beam knocked off over there.
Maybe, you know, we'll find out.
But the major differentiation is in the color.
The color of the skin, not of the skin, but of the hair, among the youth in America, in North America I'm speaking, is reddish color.
And then they turn black as they become an adult, and then of course become grizzled gray.
I don't find that.
I don't find any variations at all, any reports at all, among the Yeti and the Haumayas.
Now I've been to Georgia, the Republic of Georgia, out of Tbilisi up in the Caucasus Mountains.
And Zaina, the female there, was pure black and things like this.
And they seem to be more related to us than they did to the Haumayas.
Here's a theory that I have that I think is pretty accurate.
Let's go back to Native Americana.
If we wanted to hunt a buffalo, we would dress like a buffalo, walk hunched over like a buffalo, and if you found fresh buffalo scat, if you're a good hunter and you have a strong stomach, you're going to roll in it.
What has happened is that I had report after report after report of Bigfoot rolling where we dumped or pumped out our septic tanks.
And I absolutely rejected it.
I thought this was the most ludicrous.
But I kept getting them.
And suddenly it dawned on me, and thank God it was for Nino Coutis, my adopted father.
He said, look, dummy, I think that was his favorite name for me.
Hey, dummy.
He said, look, they must think that's what we smell like.
And they're trying to, because lots of times people smell this putting next to your house, that they actually find human feces, rub themselves in it in order to think that's the way we smell.
And the other night when I was in Walmart, I was in those long line.