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	Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11th.
	From the high desert in the great American Southwest.
	Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, whatever the case may be, in all 24 time zones covered now by this program.
	I'm Art Bell, and the program, of course, is Coast to Coast AM.
	Glad to have you.
	Well, I see that our President is planning to announce in several days that the U.S.
	is going to get out of the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, which means, to me, we are going to be building anti-ballistic missiles.
	Now, it is required that we give Russia six months' notice before hacking it in.
	With this decision, the President takes the first step toward developing an anti-missile system that he says will protect the U.S.
	and its allies from missiles fired by rogue nations.
	Russia and the U.S.
	have warned Bush that withdrawing may trigger a nuclear arms race.
	Now that's interesting, and I suppose if you put yourself in the shoes of the Russians, or the Chinese, They don't necessarily have the technical capability to build an anti-missile system, but they do have nuclear weapons perched at the end of ballistic missiles.
	So there's a little bit of danger window here because if you've got them, if you figure the US is going to be able to successfully build a shield Then, of course, if you've got them, you better use them, or you'll lose them.
	That certainly would be one mode of thinking if you put yourself in the enemy's, uh, the potential opposition's shoes.
	He corrects himself.
	So, I don't know.
	Good idea, bad idea, what do you think?
	Um, the, uh, Tora Bora area, uh, U.S., uh, B-52s are just bombing the hell out of Tora Bora.
	They believe that Al-Qaeda top dogs and maybe even Osama himself may be there.
	A lot of confusion at this hour in Tora Bora because there was an initial report that the Al-Qaeda forces were surrendering.
	They had been given a deadline and they were surrendering.
	And now that report appears to be at this hour in question.
	So nobody knows for sure.
	But if they don't, of course, the B-52s will crank back up again.
	You'll probably see a bunch of bunker busters go off and all hell will break loose.
	Otherwise, we'll just have to wait and see.
	Confusion always in situations of war.
	Senators who apparently have had the opportunity to review the videotape presentation of Osama Bin Laden who've been it up over the September 11th attacks are saying when it is released and they're thinking that it may be released very shortly next day or two it's going to convince all of us that he is the one who was responsible for those attacks
	They find him grinning and marveling at the destruction and death of the 11th.
	We could see it perhaps as early as tomorrow.
	And in the first criminal indictment stemming from what happened September 11th, the federal prosecutors today charged a French Moroccan man who, get this, was in jail a month before the attacks with conspiring with Osama Bin Laden to murder thousands in the suicide hijackings.
	It's a 30-page indictment.
	A federal agent seized computers in 27 cities today.
	They went a hacker hunting and they found them.
	27 U.S.
	cities where people are putting copyrighted software, Microsoft Windows and all that sort of thing, up on the Internet for all who would download it.
	Operation Buccaneer You get the pirate connotation there, right?
	Operation Buccaneer was directed at 62 people in Australia, Finland, England, Norway, and right here in the good old U.S.
	of A. Federal Reserve cut the interest rate at quite a point today, and everybody went, didn't impress anybody.
	The other news.
	You're not going to believe this.
	But the security guards at Area 51, known affectionately and not so affectionately as Camo Dudes, C-A-M-O, Camo Dudes, walked off their jobs Monday in Las Vegas at the covert military installation known as Area 51, a place they said they can't talk about.
	The union president, Vernon Hall, said, when asked about where he worked as he And more than a dozen other striking security officers displayed on strike signs on Haven Street near McCarran International Airport, quote, use your imagination.
	Where do I work?
	Use your imagination.
	That is where nondescript passenger jets, known only as Janet planes, very routinely take the guards and other workers to the installation on the dry bed of Groom Lake, 90 miles north of Las Vegas.
	A place they referred to only as nowhere, in quotes, and, in quotes, out of town.
	Hall, leader of the Security Police Association of Nevada, an in-house collective bargaining unit, said the association's members decided to go on strike after three months of negotiations for a new contract with their employer, EG&G.
	He said the issues include lack of adequate wages and benefits and time and Oh.
	Let us think about this.
	The people who guard Area 51 are on strike.
	Hmm.
	Now, I've known a lot of people who have tried to get close to Area 51.
	There are certain mountaintops and areas where one can get a glimpse, but inevitably you are harassed by camo dudes By the way, that name comes from the camouflage stuff they wear when they're working.
	And they'll find you.
	I mean, you know, you'll see vehicles approaching and they will scare the you-know-what out of you.
	They'll get you out of there.
	And actually, it is an area where, you know, if you decide to violate the security, you can be shot.
	Dead.
	But now that they're on strike, You might imagine that anybody who was thinking of trying to get into the installation to see what's going on, during this period of time, decided to take advantage of the strike.
	And take a stroll in there.
	A lot of stories about people who have made it into the area.
	People who have flown over the area.
	Not a good thing to do, by the way.
	And when you do land, if you don't get shot down, you are, you know, you're talked to for a long time.
	Tonight, we're going to be doing something on Bigfoot.
	Tomorrow night, we're going to be doing something on... ...under the earth.
	I think you're going to find that really interesting.
	A Native American tomorrow night.
	Uh, listen to this.
	Good day to you, Art.
	I was up visiting your site.
	This is a Native American, uh, writing this.
	And I was amazed at some of the drawings on shadow people.
	...have sent to you.
	I'm Cherokee, uh, part Irish, considered a shadow walker.
	And I'm sure there are others out there, just like me, to meet any and all.
	By the way, looking at the drawings on your site, now I'm sure of it, there are different types of walkers out here, though.
	But with what your listeners are drawing, it appears about 75% of them are seeing shadow walkers.
	Shadow walking is kind of like astral travel, just a lot more intense.
	It can be done while awake, which most will For example, do it unknowingly while they're sleeping.
	It's hard to explain.
	But to give an example of this gift, it's like extremely strong, vivid visualization.
	I say vivid because you're able to touch, feel, and interact with other beings on different planes.
	But I feel it's really intended to help or protect others, never meant harm or scare.
	So your listeners could be seeing another type of shadow person too.
	Skinwalkers, for example.
	They pretty much look like a shadow walker, but to the natives, they mean trouble.
	These walkers are considered shadow stealers, according to the elders.
	Once you are attacked by a skinwalker, there's nothing you can do to stop it.
	But no one has told me what may happen if you're attacked by one.
	It does, at times, seem like something from a Twilight Zone.
	But believe me, it's very real.
	We do exist.
	We do exist.
	And there's a lot more to this story, but later.
	Namaste part.
	Let's find Shadow Bear.
	I thought that was pretty interesting.
	It would resonate with quite a few of you out there.
	Miss Steve writes.
	Steve.
	Logically.
	And I've only listened to your show for about 30 minutes ever last night, though for some reason I tuned into your show by accident talking about entity attacks by shadow people.
	And I'm a person, Art, who refuses to believe anything that sounds that crazy.
	I'm what you might refer to as a skeptic's skeptic, which is why I'm writing to you now.
	I think that I may have been experiencing something very similar to what your audience has recounted.
	My experience took place about two days ago.
	I was in the hospital with my wife because our one-month-old daughter was admitted due to a high fever she had, well, about 11 p.m.
	When I pulled out the recliner that is provided in the room and converted it to my bed for the night, I was asleep on my belly, dreaming about various things that are currently too faded to recount.
	What I can recall vividly during my dream, I had become aware of my surroundings almost simultaneously.
	I felt an evil presence in the room.
	I was frozen with fear and didn't move a muscle, hoping it was just a bad dream.
	All of a sudden I felt the mattress sink in, as if someone had knelt on it.
	Oh, God.
	I then, he goes on, really panicked, but was still paralyzed.
	What came next really left an impression on me.
	It happened so quickly.
	Frightening.
	I saw two black, featureless hands and arms grab each of mine and felt a body Lay on top of mine when this happened.
	I was engulfed by this infinite blackness and impeded at any movement or breathing.
	I instantly thought, Oh God, I have just died.
	This is what it is to be dead.
	And I began to mourn the fact that I would never see my family again.
	Just as I was giving into the situation, I thought to myself that if I'm able to think that I am not dead, if I can think I'm not dead, I'm not dead at all.
	I then began to attempt to shake my head and succeeded.
	When I was able to move, I was released immediately from its grasp and felt as if I had woken from a deep sleep, looked around for any sign of the being, and found nothing.
	I thought it kind of amazing that this topic came up on your show just days after my experience.
	And I guess this man, now once a skeptic's skeptic, he said, is something of a believer.
	Things erupting from the earth in strange places.
	Very strange places, indeed.
	if you listen very carefully, that's the topic coming up in a moment.
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	It's way out there.
	The Catholic Church a few years ago came out with a report that the belief in extraterrestrial life does not negate one's belief system in God.
	I found that fascinating, didn't you?
	This is something that is certainly a very plausible event, but nevertheless, what we're saying is, it is the setup for the anti-crime.
	And we had better wake up, because if we don't, we are going to find ourselves part of that alien agenda.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM, from December 11th, 2001.
	November 11, 2001.
	Now, guess what?
	Today, KNYE, my radio station, hearing from 95.1 on the FM dial,
	got in its t-shirts.
	That's right, we made t-shirts.
	And if you would like to see it, if you'll look at my webcam right now, artbell.com, in the webcam photo, you'll see me proudly wearing my new t-shirt, my 95.1 KNYE t-shirt.
	We also got, kind of cool, We got bumper stickers that we're going to begin to give away.
	We've got coffee mugs coming, and all kinds of goodies.
	They're on the way, but if you'll take a look at my webcam, you will see our logo on my t-shirt.
	I love black t-shirts.
	I've always loved, and I hate white t-shirts.
	For camera stuff, if you take a picture of a white t-shirt, it looks like a white blur.
	It's awful.
	But black t-shirts on the other hand.
	I don't know.
	There's just something about them.
	What's coming out of the earth that ought not be?
	Or maybe it is normal.
	There's a big arctic eruption going on.
	That's Gackle Ridge.
	And they've got magma coming up from the earth's mantle.
	It's said to be rather exciting to be the first scientist to observe a volcanic eruption in an Ultra Slow Spreading Mid-Ocean Ridge.
	An event in and of itself that rarely occurs.
	Even better is discovering that the U.S.S.
	Hawkbill, which is a submarine equipped with scientific mapping tools, just happened to have been passing by at the same time and recorded the whole event while the scientists on board were completely unaware of the eruption.
	Intense seismic activity began at Gacko Ridge in January of 1999 And continued for seven months, the Gackle Ridge, again the slowest spreading ridge in the world, located in the Arctic Basin.
	Initial reports suggest, such as the one published on February 15th, in Nature, have sparked much interest in the area, culminating in the recent excursion of the U.S.
	Coast Guard icebreaker, Healy.
	They're really, really interested in what might be going on, or what is, correction, is going on beneath the frigid waters of the Arctic.
	The sub's up there.
	I've got a kind of an interesting story here about cell phones.
	You know, cell phones are not my favorite thing in the world.
	And now, maybe I like them even less.
	The article is from Reuters News, and an expert has been quoted as saying that cell phones are spooking ghosts.
	Mobile phones are killing off ghosts, according to a British expert who spent years researching the occult on Sunday.
	Said on Sunday, Tony Cornell of the Society for Psychic Research told the Sunday Express newspaper that reports of ghost sightings had begun to actually decline, and when did it happen?
	When mobile phones were introduced 15 years ago.
	So, there is the possibility, the possibility, that microwaves at about that frequency affect ghostly entities.
	So, you know, suggesting this story might have something to it.
	If one of you out there, or many of you, are haunted by some sort of entity You might want to have the cell phone near your bed.
	And if something begins to approach in the night, as we heard in that email I read a moment ago, you might just want to pop your cell phone on and, I don't know, call some kind of number, and perhaps the radiation will save you, or scare away whatever it is.
	According to the newspaper, haunted tourist attractions in Britain could be in trouble, because the ghosts are going because of cell phones.
	They could be under threat if the number of cell phones continues to grow from the present figure of 39 million.
	Apparently, paranormal events, which some scientists put down to unusual electrical activity, could be perhaps drowned out by the electronic noise produced by phone calls And text messages.
	Now isn't that interesting?
	Paranormal events, which some scientists put down to unusual electrical activity, could be drowned out by the electronic noise produced by cell phones and or computers of varying sorts.
	So in other words, in one way, if you think about it, the more technical we become, the more The more technical society becomes, the less subject to paranormal events it may be.
	And maybe with all the electronics, we're just not listening to things from the other side.
	We're so consumed with things from this side all the time, right?
	Could be.
	Anyway, that's what the British experts think.
	We're scaring away the ghosts with cell phones.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	In the nighttime, the trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
	more somewhere in time coming up well i did go little down a mile an hour ago took a look
	around the whip and a whiploat with a little girl in a hollywood bungalow are you a lucky little lady in the city of light?
	or did you run along St. Joe's city at night?
	you City at night.
	City of night.
	City of night!
	Woo!
	Some velvet morning when I was breaking I'm gonna open up your gate
	Some velvet morning when I'm straight I'm gonna open up your gate
	And maybe tell you about Phaedra And how she gave me life
	And how she made it in Some velvet morning when I'm straight
	Flowers growing on a hill Drives and flies and dies for dear
	Learned from us very much Look at us, but do not touch.
	Pedro is my name.
	Some build it morning wind.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM, from December 11th, 2001.
	Good morning from the high desert.
	Our lines are open.
	Phaedra.
	You like that name?
	Phaedra?
	I do too.
	We're gonna do open lines, and then, top of the hour, we're gonna be talking with Robert Morgan.
	The Bigfoot researcher, Robert Morgan.
	I think I've got a couple of surprises lined up for you.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11th, 2001.
	On the first time caller line, you are on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Going once.
	Going twice.
	Gone.
	Wildcard line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	This is Julie from Kansas City.
	How you doing, Julie?
	Fine.
	How are you?
	Okay.
	I was wondering if it's just me or if anybody else has noticed that on all the commercials on TV lately we have these alien commercials and they're like trying to get us used to them.
	Oh, yeah.
	So we don't know if, like, they're integrating them into society, so they'll just, in the future, they'll be like our buddies.
	Absolutely no question about it.
	So that one day, if we do hear about aliens arriving, or see it on the nightly news with Mr. Brookhaw, it will not be such a shock to us, because we've been seeing it in movies and television and, well, hearing about it on my program.
	And it's really gotten bad in commercials.
	Yes, I know.
	I know.
	Well, I think there's a reason for all that.
	I think you're right.
	I was just wondering if anybody else noticed that but me.
	How long do you think it's going to take before that happens?
	5, 10 years?
	You mean before we get an official visit?
	Or before we get officially that they're around us and we're not supposed to even notice them?
	Oh, well, that could be.
	They could be around us.
	There is a large group of people, there are many who believe that they are here now.
	That they are all among us right now.
	Now, I don't know if I'm one of those people.
	Well, I might be.
	And as far as when we will be first officially visited, I don't know.
	I really don't know.
	However, if you take the crop circles in Great Britain, the most recent ones, the face, the glyph, into consideration, then it might be getting pretty close.
	Because it's gone from a sort of, with crop circles, a sort of, hey, guess what this is, folks?
	To more of a, here's what this is, folks.
	And I suppose the next step, obviously, from there would be some sort of presence or arrival.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air, top of the morning to you.
	Yes?
	Hey, I wanted to ask you if there's anybody out there, any of the experts on Champ, Lake Champagne, if there's any kind of a pattern for him when he shows up in the summertime, because my family and I, we'd like to go, you know, just camp, stay like that.
	When, when, when, who shows up?
	Champ, the lake monster.
	Well, I'm not intimately familiar with Champ, so.
	Is there a schedule for Champ?
	It seems like in the summertime there's more sightings, and I was kind of curious this past summer if there was any kind of... Sir, I'm not even familiar with Champ.
	What does Champ look like?
	I believe he... Have you ever heard of Caddy?
	Off the... He's off the West Coast?
	No.
	Pogo Pogo.
	Well, try and give me a visual of... If I were to see Champ face to There's two species, they believe, that they've seen.
	One looks like the classic Loch Ness monster type, and I believe a woman took a picture in 1976, Matthew, took a picture of it.
	And then the other one is supposed to be a primitive whale.
	Then slightly reminiscent of, well, a sea serpent, I guess.
	Sort of reminiscent vaguely of a serpent and a little bit of dinosaur thrown in, huh?
	Right.
	The American Indians and, well, the individual that discovered Lake Champaign, explorers and stuff, it's been recorded all through history.
	But it seems to me that there's like a pattern when this thing shows up.
	But now, you know, the lake is open to the ocean.
	So it may well be that CHAMP comes and goes as CHAMP pleases.
	Correct.
	Maybe breeding or it comes in there, you know, for certain reasons in the summertime.
	And that's when they seem to have the highest sightings is around July and August.
	I wonder if anybody really knows if there's a pattern.
	No, I understand.
	Are you looking to be in the company of CHAMP?
	Well, I'd like to, we'd like to camp up there, you know, like Port Henry.
	I think that's supposed to be a real hot spot for him.
	And, uh, I know an Onondaga Indian, uh, actual Indian who had seen Champ.
	So you do want a meeting then, don't you?
	I don't know if I want to meet him right up close.
	I just want to take a look at him at a distance, you know?
	Well, one thing's for sure.
	If it's meeting time, you don't want to get in the way of Mr. Champ and potential Mrs. Champ.
	That wouldn't be good.
	No, but, I was just wondering if anybody out there, any experts, this past summer, if there's been any... Alright, well, you've asked enough.
	They'll answer.
	I'm sure.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	Sure, those of you who know something about Champ and Lake Champlain would be able to answer that question.
	We are going to be talking about, I don't know, what is Bigfoot, you know?
	What is Bigfoot?
	Is Bigfoot a monster?
	Is Bigfoot a dimensional being?
	Is Bigfoot simply something that has been here all the time?
	Or much longer than we have and continues to exist as sort of an interesting existence, one that is neither fully here nor fully there because of the nature of sightings and the fact that we don't have any bodies yet.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, Art.
	Yes.
	Yeah, Bob in L.A.?
	Yes, Bob.
	When you and Linda and the other people start talking about that city off the coast of Cuba, I broke out my Reader's Digest Great World Atlas, and I was starting to look at Cuba, and then my eyes passed up to the page previous to that on Mexico and the Yucatan Peninsula, and something struck my eye.
	About 50 miles off the coast of Mexico in the Yucatan Peninsula, there's a perfect circle, a 375-mile diameter circle, that's centered about 93 degrees and 40 minutes west latitude, and about 21 degrees and 30 minutes north latitude.
	Now, at one time, they had postulated that about 50 million years ago, a huge meteor struck the Earth.
	And made that circle, yes.
	Right, that's possibly what sunk the dinosaurs.
	Now, if you look at the Gulf of Mexico, I don't think the Gulf of Mexico was there at that time.
	Because if you track, if the meteor struck there, and you track it, the Gulf of Mexico to the northeast, it heads right up towards the Bermuda Triangle.
	Now, if that meteor Entered into the earth and they say some postulate that it actually penetrated the earth's crust.
	Now that would have left a huge open borehole right down through there.
	Absolutely.
	Now you move forward about 49,990,000 years.
	And here we are.
	And all of a sudden, you have people there.
	And it had subsided, the water came in, or there was just land there.
	And we had another cataclysmic event happen.
	And that particular area sank.
	1,200 feet.
	It is as good a guess, sir, as any, or as good a scenario as any.
	All right now, everybody is predictably in an uproar.
	As I read you last night, some British scientists are all upset about Polina Zolitsky's find, and they don't like it.
	They don't want to hear about it.
	They don't want to think that everything they have thought previously could be all wrong, and they could be all wet.
	And, you know, there could have been people running around on Earth long before any of them said it could be.
	What kind of tragedy, personal one, for them?
	Would that be a very serious one?
	So they have puffed and puffed and blown at Ms.
	Zolinski's house, but she said, look, it's just fact.
	You're not here in Cuba.
	You're in Great Britain.
	And so what the hell do you know?
	We have fact here.
	And we can prove what we're saying.
	So I guess the report So long ago was right.
	The ones affected most negatively by change of any sort, aliens arriving, Earth's history, man's history, the ones who will be affected in the most negative dire way will be the scientists who have postulated their theories as fact about when man first walked and all the rest of it.
	I mean, they're going to be so, so upset West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hey, Art, this is Michael from Bakersfield.
	Hello, Michael.
	I noticed you had, about two years ago, you had a guest on named Reverend Andre Schlesinger from the Church of Satan in San Francisco.
	I remember, yes.
	And at the end of the show you said you were going to have him back on.
	Uh-huh.
	Did you ever have him back on?
	No, not yet, but I will certainly have him back on.
	I will have, to the distress of many, Just about anybody on who's interesting.
	Church of Satan, regular churches, you name it.
	I'll do any of it.
	I just haven't thought about it lately, but I'd have him back on.
	He was a good guest.
	Yeah, he was.
	I really enjoyed him.
	Are you a follower?
	Not really, no.
	He was just very interesting.
	Are you a potential follower?
	I don't think so.
	I just find him interesting.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, and take care.
	East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Turn your radio off, please.
	There you go.
	You're in a truck, I bet.
	Yeah, I'm in a truck.
	Just a guess.
	What's up, sir, and where are you?
	I'm Dale, and I'm in Cleveland, Ohio, right now.
	And I've just got a question for you, Art.
	It's about the Osama bin Laden situation.
	You know, Osama Bin Laden is a pretty intelligent individual, wouldn't you think?
	I mean, he probably is, yes.
	I mean, to take 15 men or so and bring them over here and keep them undercover for two years and all that.
	Yes.
	And he's got some people under him that are, I'd say their IQ is above half, wouldn't you think?
	Perhaps so.
	Well, given that, and if you were to go and take out the World Trade Center, And like I said, being as intelligent as he is, wouldn't you think he would have a plan B after, in fact, he did what he did?
	Oh, absolutely.
	He basically sat over there in the Middle East and waited for us to just mow him down, and we're doing that.
	Look, to answer your question, absolutely, yes.
	Of course he has a plan B.
	An escape of some sort, or perhaps, on the other hand, he plans to be martyred, to allow himself to be martyred.
	Well, he's getting real close to that.
	If he's in Tora Bora, he's about to be shredded.
	If they haven't really surrendered, and again at this hour, we don't know.
	There are reports of a surrender pending, but now that seems to be falling apart, and from war fronts and from front lines, you rarely get Good, clean news.
	And even the authorities sometimes don't know what's going on.
	So either there is going to be a surrender, or the B-52s are going to do their carpet thing, and some of those big bunker busters are going to fall.
	It's already a wreck over there, and Taliban's on the run, no question about it.
	It's sort of the last stronghold, the last big fight.
	Big fight.
	There'll be a lot of mop-up to do and probably a great deal of guerrilla warfare that will follow, but the last big fight is either about to happen or there's going to be a surrender.
	The hours ahead will tell.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, sir.
	It's Dwight from Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan.
	Hi, Dwight.
	How are you?
	Good, good.
	The phone call was something that happened to me many, many years ago, 25 years ago.
	I was at the farm visiting my parents and my brothers and I when my dad decided to sit
	down and play with the Ouija board.
	Well something really strange happened where on the farm there, there's a big square out
	on the property.
	It used to be part of the old Red River Trail and it's a recessed square in the ground and
	then inside that there's another recessed square outlying and we got playing with the
	Ouija board anyway and this chief buffo came through the Ouija board and said that he had
	been massacred or murdered and buried out between by this buffalo rubbing stone.
	That's a lot of moving around on that board to explain all of that.
	Well, through the process of over an hour, this happened.
	And uh so we had a backhoe out there in the next couple days and we went out and every time we went out tried to dig up this stone and around this stone it would start to rain.
	Now as strange as that may seem but that's that's one of the strangest things I ever come across.
	So did you dig up the stone?
	No we just eventually just left it the hell alone.
	In other words you took that as a hint?
	Yeah.
	Do not touch the stone.
	Yeah for sure.
	All right sir.
	Okay, thank you.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hi, my name's Ryan.
	I'm calling from Concord, North Carolina.
	Hello, Ryan.
	Hey, I just wanted to make a quick comment on the story you read earlier about the fewer ghost sightings since the introduction of mobile phones.
	Cell phones, yes.
	Yeah.
	Something that almost concerns me is the fact that there's also reports that cell phones cause cancer, things like that.
	Yes.
	It makes me wonder that even though it's nice to know, there might be a way to protect yourself from You know, entity attacks and things like that.
	It kind of concerns me that you might actually be scrambling certain lesser-used parts of your brain at the same time.
	Well, I know, but if you're... I mean, how frequently are you attacked by an entity?
	After all, if you had a cell phone handy and you could use it as a defense, you know, like holy water or whatever, just flip open your... Flip open, huh?
	Flip open your cell phone and radiate a little RF and away it goes.
	But you know that there is one less soul to feed.
	I mean, where is this entity going, and what are you doing to it with these frequencies?
	Well, my concern really would be is not so much that you're doing something to the entity, but that you're just making it impossible for any interaction, which would kind of... Yeah, but that's only... that's one conclusion.
	Another might be that you are somehow destroying an entity.
	Oh yeah, that's definitely also a possibility.
	Well, cell phones had to be good for something.
	Thank you very much for the call, sir, and take care.
	I don't like them.
	I mean, and again, begging your indulgence, not this last caller, but the caller previous was on a cell phone.
	now i ask you is the way that sounded
	in your opinion a step forward for technology and civilization
	or is it a step backward i maintain it is a step backward
	and i wish the cell phone companies would get their act together and make it
	sound like real communication instead of something coming through
	you know rod serling's chest i just i i i i i'm so down on cell phones
	but on the other hand if they'll uh...
	if they'll shoo away and packing entity even than perhaps a and some good days
	for the rockies you're on the air Hello.
	Oh, yeah, Art.
	This is Tony.
	I'm in West Virginia.
	And on a cell phone, too, aren't you?
	Yeah, I am.
	All right.
	All right.
	What's up?
	Yeah, I was thinking about that thing you were talking about with Mars and how it's supposed to be heating up.
	Yes, sir.
	Turn your radio off.
	Yes, Mars, they say, will heat up and the poles will melt.
	And they say this will occur because of the increased heat from the sun.
	And my nagging question is, well then, how about third rock from the Earth, uh, by the sun?
	Uh, you know, good old Earth here.
	How about us?
	If they're going to be affected that way, then what's it going to do to us?
	Well, the only thing I was thinking was maybe the reason it might heat Mars up more than the Earth is because they don't really have an atmosphere right now.
	Well, that's true, but I would think An atmosphere would absorb heating.
	I mean, after all, we absorb heat and radiation quite readily from the sun.
	Well, okay.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	I was thinking it might not heat up that much.
	It just might be enough where it'll melt their caps, and then they'll have a little bit of atmosphere, and then it'll stop heating up.
	Well, maybe.
	Or perhaps, as I said the other evening, There is another possibility, and that is that depending on the Sun's cycle, or cycles within cycles, it may be that every now and then Mars becomes the habitable, cool place to be with an atmosphere and water and all the rest of it.
	And then Earth becomes the not-so-cool, in more ways than one, place to be, and frankly, not-so-habitable.
	And maybe it's a big race.
	Let's see whether we can get transportation for most of us from here to there before it happens.
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	Robert Morgan is a Bigfoot researcher, founder of the American Anthropological Research Foundation.
	Robert's initial encounter took place in 1957 in Mason County, Washington, when he came face-to-face with something he considered, in quotes, a giant gorilla following his stint in the U.S.
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	Robert launched a career both in filmmaking and the search for the truth behind the Bigfoot.
	He recruited a 17-member science advisory board that included many luminaries before organizing six of the most scientific expeditions ever formed in America.
	Backed by the National Wildlife Federation and other private parties, his 1974 expedition resulted in the classic film, The Search for Bigfoot, and his inclusion in the record-setting Smithsonian series, Monsters Myth or Mystery.
	His photographs have appeared in many publications, including Arthur C. Clarke's works, Great Magazine, and multiple other works has appeared on many TV and radio shows, including repeatedly here.
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	Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
	And now here is Robert Morgan Rogers.
	Robert, welcome to the program.
	Thank you, sir.
	Thank you for calling me and inviting me back.
	Oh, it's just great to have you back.
	Well, I consider you sort of the ultimate Bigfoot guy.
	And I know there's a whole community of Bigfoot researchers out there.
	I might add, not all of whom love each other.
	That seems evident sometimes.
	That's sad, isn't it?
	I was going to ask you about that.
	Why is that?
	It seems like there's a lot of jealousy and infighting, just like in the UFO community, and maybe any community for that matter, among those who Let's speak to the issue.
	There's just a lot of infighting.
	How come?
	Well, you know, this goes... At first, when I first encountered it, I thought that it was strictly an ego thing, and I thought that perhaps it was because some of the, I call them so-called researchers, were more into the research to gather limelight to themselves.
	to attract attention to themselves.
	A lot of them were from very small towns and they were the big man on campus, so to speak.
	And they really had no academic credentials behind them.
	They had no really formulated plan of any sort.
	And so I thought, well, gee, maybe it's just because there aren't really a lot of scientists involved.
	But then the more I got involved, With science in other facets, I discovered that there's a great amount of professional jealousy in the scientific community.
	And I think one of the greatest, I think, disservices has been done to Dr. Grover Krantz at Washington State University, a comparative anatomist and a very well-educated man.
	And his book, The Track of Bigfoot, things like this, and his reports, He was really castigated by his peers, and many of the people that formed my Science Advisory Board.
	One in particular, Dr. Carlton S. Kuhn, who is Professor Emeritus at Penn State, and he wrote a book that is now passed by because we've learned, as we've gone on, it was called Erases of Man.
	They also suffered the same thing, but at a different level.
	I guess it just comes down to that a lot of human beings are just jealous and small-minded.
	I guess that's the way they are.
	Maybe that's why Bigfoot won't have much to do with this.
	I don't blame them.
	As I've said so many times, people talk about Bigfoot this and Bigfoot that, and I say, well, you know, the one thing about them, I've never heard of them raping a child.
	Uh, kidnapping anyone.
	I've never heard of them, um, uh, breaking into a car, stealing it.
	Uh, I don't think they use dope, you know?
	And it goes on and on.
	They've never declared war on anyone.
	Maybe they have just observed our civilization at afar for a while and decided contact is, uh, better not made.
	Well, I think that is absolutely true.
	I think that the more they have observed us, and yet they have watched the gentler side of us, and they've been seen many times.
	There's a school teacher in a small rural town in Ohio who have seen Bigfoot families, a small family, I'm not talking about anything large, but three or four at a time, come just outside the periphery of the vision of most people near her small country school.
	It's down in the Amish country.
	And she was quite straightforward and she said, yes, I've seen them now.
	They've been back two or three years and they come down and they sit just out inside the woods and watch the children play.
	And I think that's fascinating.
	Another thing was old time engineers on some of the smaller roads would tell me of them being seen watching the trains go by, just sitting on the bank and watching.
	And right here in Montana, not too long ago, in a pass called Mariah's Pass, indeed, the engineers have seen the Bigfoot families.
	Well, you know, I was kind of kidding, Robert, but maybe I'm really right.
	I mean, maybe they have observed us.
	They know what we seem to be all about.
	And other than the occasional approach of the more gentle, they stay away.
	I think it was kind of funny to say, but simultaneously I think there's a lot of truth to it.
	The more they see of the little hairless people who scream at just about anything.
	And if you go to the National Parks and view us from afar, you know, here's this beautiful wilderness and all these majestic things, and here comes a family screaming, yelling, dropping gum wrappers and things like that.
	We're not necessarily... As a matter of fact, in anthropology, the more I've studied it, as I've said so many times, I've learned more about my fellow man than I have about Bigfoot, simply by Uh, watching their reactions.
	And we're not necessarily in that verbal race.
	Back in 57, uh, when you were hunting, you saw your first, uh, but you originally reported what you saw, not as Bigfoot or as something distinctly different, but as a gorilla.
	Where was that?
	And, uh, what do you recall about it now?
	Well, I was in the state of Washington, and I had been aboard the USS Princeton, an anti-submarine and a submarine warfare aircraft carrier.
	And after being imprisoned aboard the ship for a tour of the Far East, I took any chance to go to the woods.
	And I had gone up with a friend of mine up in Mason County, and he turned to the right, and I went to the left.
	I say I was hunting because I had a gun and all that stuff, but I really had no interest in hurting anything.
	I just was out there.
	Something came down through the brush, I guess it was around 9 o'clock in the morning, and I heard it.
	I finally stood up.
	It was something this size that was in the brush.
	I couldn't see what it was.
	I finally called out, and all of a sudden it just went dead silent.
	It was the first time in my life.
	Every hair on my body stood up, and I couldn't quite figure out why was I concerned.
	I was the guy with the gun, right?
	Well, when a large animal goes dead silent, it could mean, I suppose, a lot of things.
	It could mean it's protecting itself by becoming silent, or I suppose it could mean it's decided to stalk you.
	It's very possible.
	I think that in the subsequent events, I think I shocked it.
	I think it was not expecting me.
	And I think I really shocked him.
	I mean here's the master woodsman of the Bigfoot and all of a sudden pops this little strange character and finally he took off through the brush and when he got to a point where he could see me he turned around and I thought I was looking and I used this with tongue-in-cheek He reminded me, the expression on his face reminded me of Sonny Liston after he picked himself up off the floor when Muhammad Ali got to him.
	He was surprised and not very happy.
	You've got years to dig up that analogy, that's pretty good though.
	But he looked at me and I looked at him, and to this day I've even tried hypnotherapy.
	I don't know who left first, but my money is on me.
	When I got back to the car, my hunting partner showed up from the opposite direction, and he never would speak to me about what happened to him.
	All he knew, all I knew, is he showed up the same time I did.
	And we got in the car, and we left.
	And when we got down to the very first place, we got some breakfast, and I tried to report it.
	And this is standard operational procedure.
	I called the state highway patrol, and they said, haha, I think you better call the sheriff.
	Really?
	Really?
	Yeah, so I called the sheriff and they took down all the information.
	And the more I listened to their questions, the more I thought, now wait a second, I have about four months to go before I'm going out of the Navy, right?
	Right.
	And I thought they were going to send somebody down with a little white coat, so I just exited stage left.
	I'm sorry that I did.
	You can tell from the way people ask questions.
	You really can.
	There becomes a certain sort of tone in their voice, right?
	Oh, definitely.
	Obviously, there was more than one person listening.
	Of course.
	I'm a dumb kid from Ohio.
	I was from Canton, a steel town.
	I had never heard of Bigfoot.
	I had no clue.
	And I kept telling them, I said, look, you've got to understand, you have a gorilla loose up here.
	I saw it.
	There is no question there's a gorilla loose up here.
	There's a circus pin through here.
	Somebody lost their gorilla.
	Were you with another party up there, sir?
	To which I'm sure you'd say yes.
	Were you and your friend Celebrating in the woods.
	I mean, that kind of question, I know.
	All sorts of things.
	And I thought, nah, this isn't worth it.
	So, when I got back, I went on with the idea.
	In fact, I told some of my shipmates, I saw a gorilla up in the... You're right, you know.
	So, I figured, I did what any other red-blooded American boy would do at a place with a term like that.
	I shut up.
	And went back, and it was a couple of years later, I was reading the... Remember the old Argosy and True Magazines?
	I do.
	Yes, well, I love those magazines.
	And I was reading that, and that's when I started reading about the Bigfoot from Northern California.
	And I thought, oh my God, that's what I saw.
	And then when I heard people starting laughing and chuckling and making fun of it, I thought, uh-uh, no, no.
	So I did like a lot of people again.
	You know, we all have these lists.
	One of these days I'm gonna, you know?
	And the list went on and on, but that was part of my list.
	And finally one day I said, uh-uh, let's do it.
	Okay, well, I mean, you must have known, though, somewhere in some part of your mind that what you saw really was not exactly a gorilla, or you would not have proceeded the way you did.
	No, well, that's true, but, you know, it's like if you take someone from the desert and you show them a tall smoke tree, And that's the only tree they've ever seen.
	Then you take them to the Redwoods.
	They're in tough shape.
	It's interesting you should mention that.
	I am from the desert as an adult.
	You know, I love the desert.
	It's my place to be and I just love it.
	And I happened to go visit Bob Crane of The Secret Income.
	He's a friend of mine.
	He lives up there among the Redwoods.
	I mean, the big, big... There you go.
	And it creeped me out, Robert.
	It totally creeped me out.
	I mean, the Redwoods were so high that going down the highway A satellite dish could not see the southern sky, or much of anything else.
	I mean, it just was freaky.
	Something that's always puzzled me is how anyone, anyone could have ever put a saw against a redwood tree.
	I've never understood that.
	Money?
	I suppose, but that's another thing I've never understood is doing things just for the money.
	Our heartbeats are finite.
	They're not infinite, they're finite.
	We have a certain amount of heartbeats.
	Yeah, but a lot of people aren't counting, Robert.
	I guess.
	I guess.
	I count every single one of them, and I have for a long time.
	But I was a kid from Ohio, and I had no way of making a comparison.
	I had to compare it with something that I knew about.
	And there was that one girl that always fascinated me, Gargantua.
	So that's the only equation I could make at the time.
	You organized a whole bunch of, what would you call them?
	Oh, I guess expeditions is what you'd call them.
	You took people out for magazines, got involved with magazines, took people out in hunt of, looking for this creature, right?
	Well, not in the beginning.
	My very first trip, I was going alone.
	I had moved to Miami, Florida and I organized myself.
	I always wanted to live in Miami and I had worked with the FAA and I had some problems there that I just couldn't tolerate.
	They were buying useless parts for 86,000% markup, things like this, and I discovered it.
	My position was fairly responsible, and I just couldn't handle it.
	So, I realized the air traffic control system was in serious trouble, and met a fellow by the name of F. Lee Bailey.
	I'm sure you've heard of him.
	I've spoken with F. Lee.
	Yes, and he and Ed Ginotta, they had hit for Patco, which unfortunately ran up against Ronnie Reagan.
	But I spoke to him, and I just couldn't go on.
	And they said, well, why don't you resign, write a book?
	So I did.
	It was called The Life Jugglers.
	But anyway, it was about the situation.
	I got to Miami, and I thought, I'm going to the mountains.
	And I had run a probability, a statistical program.
	And I had chosen places in America, or in North America, actually, where the ecology had not necessarily changed, not essentially, and that the systems The ecosystems could still support a life form such as that.
	Yeah, I guess you could sit down with a topographical or really good map and basically look at the totally isolated probable places.
	Yep, and you factor in things like Indian legends and recent sightings and just all sorts of things.
	I had a lot of fun.
	I had a lot of late night times and working with their computers.
	So I was able to write these little programs and run this thing and it was testing the computer and at the same time it was doing some good.
	And so I decided to go by myself and I was going in the month of March because I figured they were going to come out of wherever they were and they had to leave tracks and little Bobby was going to be there on his snowshoes.
	So I set this up and two fellas found out I was going.
	They said, nah, you're not going by yourself.
	We're going with you.
	And so that's how it began.
	And when we got back, I was petitioned by Ivan Tor's studios.
	You remember the people that made Gentle Ben and all that?
	Sure.
	So the president called me.
	It got in the newspapers because one of the guys had a big mouth.
	And I was just doing it for myself.
	I had never, I didn't even think the public would have any interest at all.
	Well, indeed they did.
	And Bill Griffay was the president of Ivan Tor's at the time.
	He called me.
	But I like to have lunch with you.
	So I went up, and like a dummy, I went up in a shirt, you know, sat down and talked to him.
	And the more things went, of course, then the National Wildlife Federation called me, and everything is history from that point.
	Well, during any one of these expeditions, did you find what you were looking for?
	Oh, yes.
	Oh, absolutely.
	As a matter of fact, on that very first trip, the very first trip, That program that I wrote, Works of Magic, the very first night.
	This is hard to believe, but there were two other guys with me.
	All we had was a map.
	I'd never been to this part of the state of Washington before.
	Up toward Trout Lake, we had driven to the end of the road, and the snow was above the camper on my pickup truck.
	I got on the roof of that, we jumped off into the snow, and we went walking.
	It was such a beautiful night.
	We struck tracks on two sets, and there was a smaller one next to a larger one.
	We could not match the stride of the larger one, heading toward Sleeping Woman Mountain, which is a wilderness area.
	Now, these were tracks of two feet.
	They were bipedal.
	I was not a track expert at the time, so I didn't know how to really look, except that I did shine a flashlight in at an angle.
	And these people, whoever they were, were barefoot.
	She could see the separation.
	Barefoot in the snow?
	In the snow.
	All right, I want to ask you more about those tracks, so hold on.
	We're going to break here at the bottom of the hour.
	Robert Morgan is my guest.
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	Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Good morning, everybody.
	Well, Matt Drudge has done it again, breaking news.
	You know, that American who had been part of the Al-Qaeda.
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	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11th, 2001.
	♪♪♪ Now, suppose I were to tell you that I've got a couple of police.
	I've got a friend, a very good friend, named Renee Barnett, who's a television segment producer.
	And she said, Art, there's something going on with Bigfoot in Oklahoma.
	And she gave me the names of a couple of police officers in Oklahoma.
	Who apparently saw something.
	Now, I don't know a whole lot about the story beyond that, but there were, I guess, reports of... Well, rather than try and guess what it's all about, why don't I bring this officer on the air?
	He's going to talk to us.
	His name is Dan.
	We'll only call him Dan.
	He's a police officer in Oklahoma.
	Dan, you're on the air with Robert Morgan and Art Bell.
	Welcome to the program.
	Hey, thanks, guys.
	Nice to meet you, Robert.
	My pleasure, Dan.
	How are you?
	Great.
	What's the story here, Dan?
	Can you even tell us what part of Oklahoma you're in?
	Northeastern Oklahoma.
	Around the Tulsa area.
	So how did this begin?
	Me and my neighbor, he works for the major newspaper in town, and me and him went four-wheeling.
	We went up to the northeastern part of the state.
	Went quite a ways back off the road.
	Traveled along the river.
	We followed the river for quite a ways.
	Real rugged country.
	Just four-wheel drive country.
	Sure.
	It was just about dark at the beginning of the year, around February.
	Just almost getting dark.
	Come over Little Hill and have a straight shot through the woods.
	You know, the trail just keeps going straight.
	Approximately 50 feet in front of us, something steps off from the river side of the road, which is the right side.
	There was tall grass, real, real tall grass.
	I want to call it like cane.
	Stepped out of the cane and crossed the road, did kind of like the Patterson video, you know, where he turns his whole upper torso, stopped, looked at us, and then kept on trucking right in the woods.
	How good a look did you get?
	We were approximately 50 feet away.
	We got a pretty good look.
	It was reddish brown hair, long reddish brown hair.
	I didn't see any facial features that I can recall.
	I had that swinging arm walk.
	Walking on bipedal?
	Yeah, walking on two feet approximately.
	I'm going to guess around seven and a half to eight feet tall.
	That was big.
	Walked right across the road and went into the woods and then we watched exactly where it went to and it stopped behind some big trees and like I said at the beginning of the year so all the foliage was still off the trees so you could see quite a ways back in the woods.
	Were you tempted to go after it?
	Not at all.
	Not at all.
	We pulled up to, we stopped the jeep Um, in the same location where the, uh, where we had saw it cross the road.
	Right.
	And we got out and we still had a visual on where it stopped.
	I got out of the Jeep, um, picked up a fairly good sized log and I heaved it, nearly hitting the tree that I threw it, uh, that it was hiding behind and it didn't budge.
	It stayed there.
	After that happened, after it didn't move, we both decided that it was best to just get
	in the Jeep and go ahead and get out of there.
	Neither one of us were sure what we had just seen.
	It was total silence all the way out of the woods.
	We didn't talk about it all the way out of the woods.
	We were pretty much in shock of what we just saw.
	I understand.
	And then apparently, once again, you saw something.
	Yeah, approximately about six weeks later, I returned with a fellow officer, a good friend
	of mine.
	We were camping.
	We got there early that day.
	Now this would be Jeff, right?
	That would be Jeff.
	And we got there early that day and we were going to meet up with two other people that were going to bring Jeeps and we were going to go four wheeling.
	Got there early, started cooking, started a campfire.
	I was chopping wood and Jeff We're shooting a new gun that he just purchased.
	There's big hills out here.
	Real, real steep hills.
	You can't hardly even walk up on them.
	I started hearing something coming down the hill.
	Rocks kind of rolling down the hill.
	Branches breaking and stuff.
	I could hear stuff moving around behind me.
	I'd turn around and look.
	Same time of year, no foliage on the trees.
	You could see through the woods.
	I didn't see anything.
	So a few minutes later, I hear the noise again.
	And every time I hear it, it's coming closer.
	It's approaching.
	I asked Jeff.
	He stopped shooting his gun.
	I asked him, I said, are you hearing that?
	And he didn't tune into it right away.
	And as it got real close to us, there was a big mound of dirt Just behind my back was a big mound of dirt and that's where I was hearing all the noises from which the mound of dirt is at the bottom of the hill and it's approximately about 12 feet tall and about 20 feet long mound of dirt and when it got to that point Jeff started, he began to hear it moving around behind us and it was fairly close to us
	And it sounded like something was crawling on its belly and it only moved when we were talking or making noise.
	And if we stopped making any type of noise, it would not move.
	But if I started to talk again, you could hear it moving around.
	I mean, just very softly moving around.
	At that time, we both decided to reload the guns.
	Grab the guns and grab the flashlights and we kind of stealthily walked to the end of this mound of dirt which is probably about 20 feet long and we walked down a little gravel road and when we got positioned to the end of the mound of dirt we both turned on our flashlights and here's this creature and it's like either Laying flat on its belly, or like low kneeling.
	You know, it's very, very crouched down, very low.
	Right.
	And when we turn the flashlights on, this thing begins to stand up.
	And it's big.
	It's hairy, and it's fairly huge.
	Were you able to see any detail?
	The long, reddish-brown hair.
	Again, you know, basically what I described earlier.
	As tall as six or eight feet?
	I'd say 7 to 8 feet.
	Really big?
	Really big.
	We're talking less than a distance of 20 feet.
	You were really close.
	Right up on top of it.
	It came down the hill.
	It literally came all the way down the hill and approached us.
	It basically was watching us.
	I think it was just watching us.
	Just watching.
	Could you see any facial features at all?
	Not that I can remember.
	I don't know if it's shock or what it is, but I cannot remember facial features.
	What about sounds or smells?
	I don't remember any smells that night.
	Excuse me, did it have anything in its hand at all?
	I didn't even notice.
	If it did, I didn't know.
	I didn't see it.
	So you were just plain in shock?
	Yeah, basically, yeah.
	And as it started to stand up, Jeff turned.
	Jeff was in front of me.
	He turned, and he went right past me.
	And he was heading back for the truck, and I grabbed him by the back of his shirt collar, and I walked backwards with my gun pointed at it the whole time.
	You both had guns.
	Yeah.
	You were never tempted to let loose?
	No, no.
	At one point in time, before we had approached it, when we had both It is, to me, remarkable.
	You said that Jeff was firing his gun.
	and there's a lot of wrestling around when we were making noise
	um...
	when uh... i when i started to hear in just started to hear it
	i should i shot a few rounds over the top of that mounted dirt
	before we walked back there it is to me remarkable you said that uh... jeff was
	uh... firing his gun uh... when as this thing began to approach
	you would think that the sound of gunfire uh... would absolutely work
	hell uh... any anything like this but obviously that either that or it was interested in the gunfire
	Right.
	It may have been thinking that you were shooting a game of some sort.
	Right.
	And it was looking for the game.
	Right.
	And that has happened.
	Oh, has it really?
	You mean Bigfoot will steal your Yes, this happened in the state of Washington while I was in Cougar, Washington.
	A very similar incident happened to a Marine that was on leave and he shot an elk.
	The Bigfoot took it?
	A large male came down and he cut loose on the Bigfoot and hit it.
	But the Bigfoot was coming in for the elk.
	Also, a few years prior to that, this was in the early 70's, Uh, there had been a hunter that had been killed, uh, there that had shot several rounds after he had the elk on the ground and had begun skinning it.
	And he's fired several rounds, and unfortunately, uh, he was badly, uh, beaten.
	Dan, if you, uh, have you tried to draw this creature that you and Jess saw?
	Uh, no, I have not.
	Have not.
	Did you report this?
	Yes, I did.
	I reported it with David Wilbanks online and he's at southernbigfoot.com and that's where my stories, both of the stories that I just told you are posted at.
	Since I've met with him in the last eight months, we've been going back and we've casted two different sides of Prince.
	One, which was Fairly small.
	Oh, you have Casted Prince?
	Yes, we've been back since then.
	After that second encounter with Jeff, I came home and I started looking at Bigfoot.
	This was all new to me.
	I'd heard about Bigfoot.
	I'm only 32 years old, but Bigfoot, you don't hear about it every day.
	I started looking online and I ran across Southern Bigfoot.
	They're based out of Oklahoma and I contacted David Wilbanks and he was he was real receptive.
	He came right up here and the first day we went out there we casted two tracks, two really great tracks.
	How big?
	Approximately about 13 inches long and I'd say about six and a half inches wide.
	Well officer, you know, Maybe you understand now, you know, when a witness has a hard time describing a perp because they were in shock, maybe you understand.
	I can definitely relate to it now.
	Listen, I'm going to... Robert, do you have any questions before I let Dan go?
	No, I was going to suggest that perhaps he and his friend, if they logged on to my website, there may be some information there that can help them at TrueSeekers.org.
	Truthseekers.org.
	Go to the American Getty Expeditions section and see if I can be of some help to you.
	And then if you send me an email with your address, I will send you a copy of our audio cassette and then the new CDs that I'm coming out with and see if I can help you.
	Tell me something, Dan.
	Would you have reported this if you had been alone?
	I'm sorry, would I have reported it?
	In other words, if you had been alone with this Kurd, instead of with another police officer, would you have reported this?
	No.
	Being a police officer, no.
	I already know.
	I have one question.
	One more.
	Yeah, sure.
	If you don't mind.
	When your friend was firing his new weapon, was it a high-powered A weapon or a small caliber?
	It was a Desert Eagle 44.
	It was a big gun.
	Big handgun.
	I guess it was.
	I was curious.
	Sometimes they'll come to target practice and watch.
	We both had a target picture.
	We both had guns drawn and a target picture to shoot at.
	We're both trained to kill.
	I'm glad you didn't do it anyway for lots of other reasons.
	it never crossed either one of our minds to go ahead and shoot it because we knew
	we were you know our the caliber of weapons that we had were just too small
	I'm glad you didn't do it anyway yeah lots of other reasons yeah all right he
	never threatened you did he no no we we had gone back since and I know what
	you're going to say to that about you're glad that I didn't shoot it because of
	the theory that if there's one there's probably at least one more there you bet
	And we have gone back since and I've heard rocks clacking together on one side of the camp.
	I mean we're talking 10 feet in the woods and 20 feet on the other side of the woods you'd hear rocks clacking and movement and Well, Dan, in the same area, have there been locals reporting anything like this?
	Several, several.
	That's what Rene told me, that there have been reports of entire Bigfoot families and all kinds of things in your area.
	Right, yes.
	Have the police there, have you all had official reports?
	No, I haven't checked on the official reports.
	I've talked to several of the people that have lived there all their life.
	Several of the business people that have worked there and lived there all their life, and they've all either seen or heard several stories about Bigfoot in that area.
	Wow.
	All right, my friend, I really want to thank you for coming on the air tonight.
	Thanks, Robert, and thanks, Art.
	You bet.
	Good night, Dan.
	And in a few moments, we'll speak with Jeff as well.
	He's the other officer who was with Dan.
	I thought that was kind of strange that the Bigfoot Robert would literally, obviously, be attracted to gunfire, but I guess your answer to the question, he figures there might be a kill and he could get it.
	Yes, and he obviously has not been shot, and he's obviously also, I'm going to guess, he is a fairly young Bigfoot, even though he's full grown.
	He doesn't have the experience.
	The older ones will definitely shy away.
	So he is a young one and probably has moved into a new family area.
	And he's taking advantage of it.
	He's probably frightened some hunters away from their kills already.
	And that's like habituating a bear.
	It's not a good idea.
	Robert, what are these things?
	Yes, well, in a capsule form, it'll probably have some people screaming bloody murder.
	I have the feeling that they are the body ancestors to ourselves.
	They are the prototype that is so perfectly adapted to this earth.
	And then what has happened is there have been mutations or whatever causes these genetic changes to happen.
	And along came humans.
	And along came humans.
	But we're not so well adapted.
	I mean, we don't have the hair and the protection for being outside.
	Mostly we need to live inside, unless we're in a sort of a semi-tropical environment.
	Other than that, we need protection.
	We've got this skin, hardly any hair at all.
	You know, we can suffer and die very quickly in the elements if we don't know what we're doing.
	We're not adapted very well at all for the elements.
	We're terribly adapted, actually.
	And without the assistance of animal skins to make leather and all those other sorts of things, we have a very tough time surviving.
	So we are the only unbalancing feature in all of nature.
	I'm curious, how many reports, like the one you just heard from a police officer, And here to come, I don't know if it's his partner, but another police officer backing him up.
	How frequently do you get reports of this caliber?
	Oh, quite a few.
	Quite a few.
	And it's usually behind... I must really take my hat off to these gentlemen.
	Most police officers speak among themselves, but they never go public because there's a possibility they could lose their jobs if they have the wrong kind of People around me in Ohio, for instance, someplace I'm very familiar, they had quite a few sightings and I questioned that myself and I went down to the Sheriff's Department and so happened my cousin was a Sheriff's Officer and some of their most senior officers took me into one of those questioning rooms, closed the door, and then told me what they themselves had seen.
	But they had been given an order by the sheriff in this county that if they discussed it, they would lose their jobs.
	Because they can't protect you, they're afraid, and there's religious problems there.
	Just like there is all across society.
	It is so sad, and why we can't face the truth, but it's not in the index.
	A lot of our book.
	I just want to understand the truth about what these things are.
	Hold on, Robert.
	We're at the top of the hour.
	My guest is Robert Morgan.
	He's perhaps one of the world's greatest Bigfoot experts.
	And in a moment, you'll hear from yet another police officer.
	The telephone lines allowing who also witnessed and backs up the story of Dan from the high desert.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
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	That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
	It's a living thing. It's a terrible thing to lose. It's a given thing. What a shame.
	And they showed me a world that acted me so dependent.
	Oh, clinical, how easy that you are, clinical.
	Oh, it seems that you won't let it go There are times when all the world appears
	When questions run too deep For such a gentle man
	Oh, please, please tell me what's the plan I know it sounds absurd
	Please tell me who I am I said, what would you say
	There'll be calling you a radical A liberal
	Oh, the magical criminal.
	Oh, won't you sign up for me?
	We'd like to be your acceptable.
	To respect and own.
	Oh, we'd hand them all a special crown.
	Oh!
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere In Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11, 2001.
	Robert Morgan is my guest and because the officer I have on the line right now is actually on patrol, I suspect in his patrol car right now.
	We're going to hold the break for a moment, and with Robert Morgan, go directly back to Oklahoma to a patrol car and an officer named Jeff.
	Jeff, are you there?
	Wait a minute, let's punch the button.
	Jeff, are you there?
	Yes, how are you doing this morning, Art?
	Hi, Jeff.
	You're in the same police department as Dan?
	Actually, he works for one just to the east of me.
	Okay, so you're adjacent towns?
	Yes.
	But you know each other quite well?
	Yeah, we actually used to work for the same department back in 1994.
	Oh, okay.
	Alright.
	Were you ever partners?
	Yes, we were actually.
	Oh, you were?
	Yes.
	Alright.
	Well, I'm sure you got to hear Dan's story.
	I sure would like to get your take and obviously just reinforce what he said.
	Right.
	So... I guess I'll start with, you know, we went to the woods.
	We were pretty far off the main road.
	Like he said, we went down along the river and we found this place that we were going to camp at that evening and had started to set up camp.
	I had bought a new pistol the week before and had brought it along.
	I was going to test fire it and try to get used to it.
	I guess I fired probably about 20 rounds or so and Dan had kept on asking me if I'd heard some rustling or something up on this hill.
	I hadn't heard it.
	I'd been shooting, and once he'd pointed it out, I still didn't, you know, it didn't come to me as far as I could hear it.
	Well, your hearing was probably impaired.
	Right.
	That .44 Magnum is pretty loud.
	Yeah.
	But we decided to cook a little bit of dinner.
	It was just before dusk, and we turned the radio on on the truck, and we're sitting back, and we're eating.
	It was starting to get dark and Dan had pointed it out again to me and that time I'd heard it and it was just like a quiet rustling in the leaves probably I'd say no more than 50 yards over the edge of this berm and it seemed like it was getting closer and once it got I would say probably 20 yards away from us it actually seemed like it was starting to circle us.
	Oh.
	First it was going to the left and then it started coming back to the right.
	And we're talking a pretty extended period of time because it started, it was dark by the time it started coming back to the right.
	I would say probably 30 to 45 minutes that we were actually had turned the radio off and we're listening.
	And in that time is when Dan had fired, you know, five or six rounds over this.
	You know, we're thinking if it's, you know, an animal out there, it's going to run away and it's not going to bother us.
	But if it's somebody out there messing with us, you know, they're going to say, hey, hey, you know, I'm over here, don't shoot.
	Right.
	Sure.
	And nothing.
	It didn't run away.
	And there was nobody out there, you know, saying, hey, there's somebody out here, don't be shooting.
	And I'll be quite honest with you, I was starting to get a little anxious.
	Well, you know, Dan told us about the confrontation.
	In other words, you got around there with flashlights.
	Right.
	And you shined flashlights on this creature.
	And Dan said it raised itself up.
	And probably, he said, about 8 feet tall.
	You concur with that?
	At least.
	At least 8 feet tall.
	He didn't really get much of a look at the face because he admitted he was in shock.
	And I can imagine you may well have been too.
	Did you get any sort of look at its face?
	At the face?
	No.
	No, I didn't.
	In fact, the first thing that crossed my mind when I saw it was, uh, it's time to get out of here.
	Yeah.
	And I was headed to the truck and I was leaving with whether Dan was coming with me or not.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Did you mention that to Dan?
	Um, actually, when he grabbed ahold of my shirt, I figured he had the idea because I told him I'm going with the truck and we're getting out of here.
	You did say we.
	Yeah.
	Good.
	All right.
	Uh, so then you really concur with everything he said.
	Is there anything he said you can add to?
	Um, other than, I mean, it really did seem like it was maybe crawling on all fours.
	When I first saw it, it was as if it was standing up and like it was on its knees.
	And even when it was on its knees, it appeared to be at least five and a half to six feet tall.
	Aye, aye, aye.
	And as it stood up, that's when I don't know if you want to call it fight or flight, but I was ready to fly away and get as far away, as fast away as I could.
	Makes all the sense in the world to me.
	You too had a gun?
	Yes.
	And you had reloaded and you were all ready to go.
	You could have fired that weapon.
	Why didn't you?
	It never even crossed my mind.
	In fact, until I got back in the truck, I didn't realize that I had the gun in my hand.
	I knew I had it, but it didn't cross my mind until I tried to open the truck door.
	And there was a gun in the way.
	Very, very interesting.
	So, in other words, you totally back up Dan's story all the way.
	Yes.
	Jeff, one last question.
	How have your fellow officers reacted to what the two of you have said?
	I think I might have told one other officer that I work with about it.
	My partner works with me now on midnights.
	But I didn't tell my wife about it for over a month after it happened.
	And other than her and my partner now, I've told my dad and my uncle, and that was only a month ago.
	I haven't talked to anybody about it.
	You think you saw Bigfoot?
	I know I did.
	Robert, any questions for Jeff?
	Oh, I see what happened.
	All right, we've lost Robert.
	All right, we'll listen, Jeff.
	Thank you.
	I can't thank you enough for coming on the air.
	Very brave of you to come on the air.
	Thank you so much.
	Art, it's been a pleasure.
	Thank you very much.
	Good night.
	And I'm going to have to get Robert back.
	All right, so there you have it.
	You have two police officers cooperating in each other's stories who do nothing but know they saw Bigfoot.
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	He'll be back shortly.
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	Let's talk a little bit about the shadow government.
	Do you believe it's there?
	Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
	But it isn't.
	We don't have The government anymore.
	What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies.
	But we have no representation in that government.
	So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
	So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
	And it's taken a while to set up.
	But I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
	We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	tonight featuring coast-to-coast AM from December 11th, 2001.
	Alright, we are going to now try and get Robert Morgan back on the line again.
	I have no idea what happened.
	Sometimes those things do occur.
	Right in the middle of an interview, you just get knocked off.
	And I don't know how that can happen, because actually, we've got a system that prevents that, that locks a guest in.
	Let's see if we get through.
	Yes, sir.
	Hi, I have no idea what occurred.
	I take it, hopefully, when you realized you were disconnected, you raced to your radio.
	No, I didn't.
	Okay, well, you missed, oh my, you missed Jeff.
	I brought him on, and he verified every single thing that his partner said.
	At the very end of the interview, I asked Jeff if he had any doubt that he had seen Bigfoot, and he said, absolutely.
	No doubt whatsoever.
	Wonderful.
	So there are two police officers collaborating each other's reports from Oklahoma.
	What do you know about Oklahoma and Bigfoot?
	Is that an area where it's seen?
	Yes, it is.
	As a matter of fact, I attended the FAA Academy there in Oklahoma City.
	In fact, my daughter was born there in Oklahoma City.
	So I spent quite a bit of time and I had a horse and I was able to get out quite a bit in the distance.
	And there's no question that Bigfoot, especially, you look down toward the Washington Mountains, which goes down toward Arkansas, and I was in the Navy with Pawnee Indian, Pawnee and Kiowa, a combination, and I went over to the reservations, and they had no question in their minds that the Bigfoot existed there, have for centuries.
	So there's no question, these gentlemen, from what I heard on the first interview, The gentleman is very sincere.
	I think he's saying something quite accurate.
	Well, it is interesting that two police officers are willing to come forward on a subject of this sort for the reasons that you laid down a little while ago with reference to Ohio.
	But I guess you know departments differ wildly and in some of them I guess you're allowed to say what you saw.
	Yeah, well, you know, remember that UFO sighting where those officers chased that UFO almost over to the Pennsylvania line?
	Yes, as a matter of fact, we're going to repeat that show.
	So many people have requested it.
	We're going to repeat that just around Christmas.
	Yeah, and I think some of them, didn't they lose their jobs?
	I believe some did.
	Yes.
	No, the times are changing.
	Thank God times are changing.
	But you've still got to think really hard before you report.
	When you and I were last speaking before the interviews, You were talking about some tracks.
	You remember?
	Yes.
	You were talking about some tracks, so pick up on that very quickly.
	Oh, you're talking about out in Tout Lake?
	Yeah.
	Well, we had tracked a short distance, but none of us could believe that we were that fortunate or that my program was that.
	We just could not believe it.
	So we went back to the truck and went on with our track.
	I think it was the second night in.
	We were quite a ways up.
	We had stopped the truck, and we were now on snowshoes and hauling a sled behind us.
	And we were getting definitely into the wilderness, and there were no tracks around us.
	It was just us.
	And we had camped next to a stream that was starting to flow.
	I was starting to break up.
	In the middle of the night, we heard this snuffling, snorting sound.
	It sounded like a horse trying to sniff the air.
	Right.
	And each one of us looked at the other, and we were awakened, and I said, you go check it out.
	And they said, no, you go.
	It was your idea.
	So none of us checked it out.
	And the next morning, we went up over the top of this little ridge, and there was nothing there.
	It was just a small snowbank, and there was nothing there but this stream.
	So naturally, well, we thought we heard this.
	Well, collectively, the three of us must have been dreaming.
	A few miles further up, we found where someone with large feet Airfoot had come out of that mountain stream, came up onto the road, turned around twice, walked back down into the stream, and continued going downstream.
	We had some unfortunate accident while we were up there.
	We got into a whiteout, and the boots we were testing for a major manufacturer, we won't mention his name, I froze my feet, and they were supposed to be waterproof, they weren't.
	Anyway, we finally had to trek out, and when we did get out, we found out that on the other end of that stream, going downstream into the White Salmon River, there had been, indeed, sightings.
	And about this time, they had had a sighting near Bonneville on the Columbia River, so we pursued that.
	Of course, I was limping by this time on frozen feet.
	We got down there, and this is where I ran into Conrad Lundy, who was commissioner of the Skamini County, and I ran into the gentleman who owned it, Skamini County pioneer Roy Craft.
	And their hunters were everywhere.
	Everyone was there with their rifles, their shotguns, everything.
	I asked him what the hell was going on, and he told me.
	And I could tell he was a local.
	I didn't know he was the county commissioner.
	And he said, I suppose you're here to kill it, too.
	And I said, absolutely not.
	And I went off on him.
	And being, of course, a very shy individual that I am.
	And I said, he said, well, it's not against the law.
	I said, well, it sure as hell should be.
	And he said, well, I'm the county commissioner.
	I said, well, don't stand there.
	Do something.
	You know, somebody's going to get shot up here, and it's going to be more than the Bigfoot.
	So he took me down and introduced me to a gentleman by the name of Roy Craft, and I wish you had met him.
	This guy was the quintessential editor to a small newspaper.
	He had the cigarette ash that was longer than the cigarette.
	He had the celluloid everything.
	You sound like the Roy Schneider of Jaws, you know?
	Remember Roy Schneider out there?
	Oh yeah.
	Somebody's going to get killed in all those rednecks piling into the boats and going out there and sure enough... Bingo!
	Exactly!
	Well, Roy sponsored the ordinance that became the first law passed in America.
	And it was with me jumping up and down on Conrad Lundy and Roy sponsored it and it became the first ordinance that was passed in America.
	What was interesting about Roy Craft is after I got to know him, I said, what are you doing in Stevenson, Washington?
	Turns out this fellow had been a PR agent and one of his, he said, one of his clients had been murdered in Hollywood.
	His client was Marilyn Monroe.
	Oh my!
	Yes, he was the press agent for Marilyn Monroe.
	And when she was murdered, he had had enough.
	He said he couldn't.
	And he continually said she was he didn't say she died.
	He said he didn't say she was overdosed.
	He maintained she was murdered and he wanted nothing further to do with it.
	So this is an interesting thing about Bigfoot.
	You know, I've run into more wonderfully interesting people.
	And he was one of them.
	But that's how that first law started.
	And then, of course, there's that pinball effect.
	Are you really sure about this?
	In other words, we've talked about this before, there are many who say that one Bigfoot should be killed.
	One should be killed so that we can autopsy it, so we can learn about it, so that we can understand what we're sharing this planet with, we can understand about what these creatures are, and all the rest of it.
	I mean, so much knowledge that could come from One body.
	How do you argue against that?
	Well, you know, intellectually, I began exactly that same way.
	That's exactly how I felt in the very beginning.
	But there was something about seeing these people out there.
	My gun is bigger than yours, etc.
	I saw no glory in that.
	And the more I came to know the Bigfoot people, the more I realized On the average, of course there's just like us, there's good, there's bad, there's some that have had some rotten experiences with the little careless people.
	But then when I got to know the American Indians, I really dug into my own past.
	I'm Apache and German mixed.
	And the more I dug into it, the more I realized, why, how do we become so arrogant that In order for something to be protected, in order for something to be accepted, we have to kill it in order to dissect it.
	And isn't there something the other half of this term that we grandly put on ourselves?
	Well, because that's linear science and that's linear law.
	In other words, science is not prepared to believe such a thing even exists until they can personally examine it.
	And those who generally write laws are not prepared to write one To protect a creature that is, in their opinion, myth.
	It's a conundrum.
	It's a very difficult thing.
	But what are we going to do if we do shoot one?
	Because we must convince ourselves it exists so that we can protect it.
	It's doing fine.
	It doesn't need protection.
	So what do we do then if we cut into it, cut it apart, and we discover That it is, indeed, genetically provable that this is our brother.
	Well, listen, if that happens, then they're going to quietly bury it.
	Trust me on this, and you're never going to see that body, nor the report of the autopsy, or anything else.
	Exactly.
	That would upset way too many apple carts.
	And I wonder, Art, if that hasn't occurred.
	There have been, there was a skull found.
	Oh?
	Oh yes, the skull was found.
	Listen, hold it right there.
	We'll come back to skull in a moment.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
	My guest is Robert Morgan.
	The subject is Bigfoot.
	I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
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	Good morning. The breaking news continues. I told you about the headline on Drudge. Here's something to back it up.
	It's unattributed because the person doesn't want me to give their name for understandable reasons.
	I'll read you what I've got as best I can, Art.
	I am a member of the national media and an avid fan.
	Here's something I just picked up from a friend of mine at the Washington Times.
	They're going to run this in the morning paper.
	Please do not mention my name on the air.
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	Washington, D.C.
	An American Taliban fighter held captive by Marines in Afghanistan apparently has told American officials that Al-Qaeda's next attack on the United States will take place in days and involve biological weapons, U.S.
	intelligence officials told the Washington Times.
	John Walker Lindh, L-I-N-D-H, the Taliban guerrilla captured near Mazar-e-Sharif said, In intelligent debriefings at the U.S.
	Marine Corps base near Kandahar, that phase two of Al-Qaeda's war against the U.S.
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	He told the U.S.
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	The Catholic Church a few years ago came out with a report that the belief in extraterrestrial life does not negate one's belief system in God.
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	Now back to Robert Morgan.
	Robert, I should tell the audience, and I want to make this very clear, I have a recording of Bigfoot, as you know, or as what is said to be Bigfoot.
	This recording I obtained from Linda Moulton Howe, who played it with the permission of those who made the recording.
	That is where I got the recording.
	You know something about the providence of this recording, don't you?
	I'm not sure.
	I'd have to hear it to know.
	Oh, you want to hear it?
	Okay, here it is I
	I That recording Robert
	Yes, I've heard that before.
	I'm not too awfully intrigued by it.
	The best recording that I recall that I can endorse is by Ron Moorehead's group.
	They have a thing out, the Bigfoot recording.
	That particular recording, I've heard that multiple times, and it's nothing That I have ever heard.
	Uh, and I've heard them do all sorts of strange things.
	I have never heard anything like that.
	Have you heard a scream?
	Do they make a screaming sound?
	Oh, they make all sorts of sounds.
	Alright, alright.
	I've got one other that purports to be Bigfoot.
	What about this one?
	Uh, weird.
	weird. What about that one? Ah, that's a good one.
	That falls in the same category.
	I've never heard those things.
	Myself, I've never heard them playing that eerily.
	I've never heard that echo chamber that they like to play that in.
	That sounds to me like someone's on the top of a church steeple trying to pretend.
	The sounds that I've heard of, they have never They have never done anything like that.
	What have you heard?
	Well, I've had them come close by and actually imitating birds and then change from one bird to another.
	In mid-sentence, I guess you might say, or mid-sound, and I've heard a lot of the articulations that are really well represented in Ron Moorhead's and Alan Bury's recording.
	Where they actually appear to speak.
	Yes, where you can actually, it's not just someone howling or something like that, because they have no reason to do that.
	They don't just go out and pretend to be a werewolf.
	There's no meaning to those sounds at all.
	The sounds that I have heard have all had meaning.
	Yeah, I've also heard those, the ones you're talking about, and they actually... Do you remember what the clearest was?
	Yeah, there's something that sounded to me like, you're not welcome.
	They actually had vowels and...
	It was like that.
	Which was tough to swallow at first, but the more I've listened to it, and more than that, even going on beyond that, because there's no sense in projecting what we would like to hear, but to know, to realize that they're using vowels so clearly, this means they have an articulated speech pattern.
	That means that they are above the chimpanzee.
	Uh, which is supposed, that near-rang is supposed to be our closest relative.
	Uh, who cannot, because their tongues are not affixed the same as ours, they can't articulate.
	Uh, but these people do, I've heard it so many times, and they are one of the most, the masters of imitation.
	Do you or do you not believe there is anything paranormal about them now that they're, you know, they're said to appear and disappear.
	Sure enough, we don't have a body yet.
	Nobody's, uh, killed one.
	And there could be reasons for that that wouldn't be easily digestible.
	Do you buy into that or not?
	No.
	I have seen nothing.
	Nothing whatsoever.
	Well, we have to define paranormal.
	It's a subjective term in the sense that if we lift above the normal, indeed they are.
	But do they go into other dimensions and play Puff the Magic Dragon?
	That's right, yeah.
	No, not at all.
	I appreciate the folks that are reaching for that, because I think they're looking for some other force outside of ourselves.
	Sure.
	And I understand that, and I'm not saying it's not there.
	Certainly there have to be other dimensions.
	We would be so small-minded If we try to limit everything to that which we can... No, that's all right.
	You think these are real creatures that have been here as long, or more likely, longer than we have been?
	Yes, I do.
	They're perfectly adapted.
	And we are from them?
	I think so.
	I think our body is.
	Now we're getting into something a little bit more esoteric.
	Do they have the same essence that we call a soul?
	This, I don't know.
	I just don't know.
	I wouldn't even pretend to know such a thing.
	Well, I think cats have souls.
	They probably do.
	They probably have souls.
	I would assume that they do because, again, we would be so arrogant, wouldn't we, if we say, oh, we're special because of this.
	They're very family oriented, aren't they?
	Very much so.
	Another thing that I've never heard of a dumb Bigfoot.
	That is a product of inbreeding.
	And this tells me that Mendelian genetics is holding up quite well.
	And this is one of their dangers.
	Interesting.
	Sure it would be.
	Sure.
	Because if they were so... And they are clannish.
	In the sense that they run in small little pods like little family units.
	And they seem to keep to a single family most of the time, and yet they do have rendezvous, and I inserted myself accidentally into one of their rendezvous one evening, and it really irritated them.
	Oh?
	Oh, yeah.
	We had gone down, Scott Church and I had gone into a place in Waballi, and it was around 12, 31 o'clock in the morning, and I love to go places where no one knows where I am.
	And went trotting down in there, and I heard a call.
	It was a bird call, late at night.
	So I answered it.
	And I got a response from the opposite ridge.
	So I merrily called along.
	And they called back, and they started coming closer.
	And the closer they came, and then all of a sudden, there was this dead silence again.
	I mean, it's like running into a brick wall.
	And when I tell you that, I swear, even the insects stopped.
	And Scott and I stopped in our tracks, and all of a sudden this thing cut loose on us with this scream, with this gibberish, and it sounded very gibberish because I don't understand it.
	Certainly not gibberish to them, but they really were insulted and angry.
	And they left.
	And it took me a while to realize what I had done.
	I had come in on a movement route, had heard their call, and had responded, and apparently I imitated it well enough that I fooled them.
	They were looking for another family coming, and they were merrily coming down to say hello to Jill and Mary that just came in from the next valley, and they were really ticked off.
	They were angry that I had fooled them, and I certainly didn't mean to, but I did.
	Would they get angry enough to get physical, do you think?
	Oh, it's under certain circumstances.
	There was an area That we were investigating, and I told my team, I said, there's one hilltop over here.
	I do not want anyone going anywhere near.
	I had this sense, this feeling, that this is where they bed during the day.
	And it was well protected.
	If you and I were on patrol, and we were behind enemy lines, it's exactly what we would choose.
	So I left them alone, because if I leave them to rest, then they're more apt to come close to me.
	During the night, and of course they move around during the day under normal circumstances.
	When we were around, that's when they move at night.
	In any case, it was the same circumstance.
	We finally penetrated that area one night, somewhat accidentally, but we did do it.
	And on the way out, we had rocks whistling past us.
	And when I tell you the concussion of a large rock going past your head, And you know they're expert enough.
	If they wanted to hit you, they would.
	They'd take your head off.
	But they didn't.
	They were just telling me, you got too close, bud.
	Back off.
	So they have a sense of fair play, too.
	So far, even when my daughter was quite small, I took her into the Everglades.
	She's been in the mountains.
	She's been in the desert.
	We've had all sorts of encounters with the Bigfoot.
	They never Ever.
	Ever bothered us.
	So you wouldn't be afraid to leave your daughter with a Bigfoot?
	No.
	Not at all.
	I think she'd be perfectly protected.
	In fact, I would worry about the Bigfoot.
	Oh, really?
	He's a tough one.
	But I had mentioned earlier about the skull that had been reported found.
	Yes, a skull.
	Outside of Woodland, Washington.
	And they sent first the farmer.
	I had sent the jaw structure up to a university in Canada.
	And then they had come back later and asked for the entire everything.
	And they take the rest of the remains up there.
	And this jaw structure, you could fit over your face.
	And they promptly lost it.
	Well, they lost it.
	Oh yeah, they lost it.
	And the University of Miami is guilty of the same thing.
	There was a femur down there that was huge, just absolutely long, and it was hanging in a curio shop, and one of the anthropologists took it in, and it disappeared.
	And outside of a little town called Estabulo, Ohio, there had been a graveyard found up there.
	When they first started clearing the land for the city, and they discovered these bodies that were in excess of between six and seven feet tall.
	And you know, our ancestors were not that tall.
	If you look at the, go to the museum and take a look at the riding habit of George Custer, you know, he was about five foot three.
	Yeah, it's true.
	We have grown taller and taller as time has gone on.
	Genetically, we're getting taller.
	But here's this ancient graveyard, and now you go to H. W. and try to find that.
	That was cleared out and those bones are gone.
	So, you know, as I've said so many times, we have this common prayer, please God, Allah, Buddha, whoever, please let me get through this day without a single new thought.
	And this is unfortunately true.
	You've got a couple of CDs out, isn't that right?
	Yes, I do.
	In fact, I sent them to you.
	I hope you received them.
	What are they?
	Explain to everybody what they are.
	The new CDs.
	I have made the Bigfoot The Ultimate Adventure, which is an audio cassette.
	And it is true an adventure.
	It takes you into the woods and teaches you my method of coming in contact.
	But you only have so much time on a 90-minute cassette.
	I was bombarded.
	So finally I came up with the Bigfoot Pocket Field Manual.
	It covers two CDs and these CDs give you absolute 100% everything you will ever need from the beginning.
	You don't know anything about Bigfoot to actually putting yourself in a position.
	They're two CDs long.
	And they are available now.
	They just came off.
	They're literally hot off the press.
	Okay.
	Yeah, and the first 100 of them, as a matter of fact, they asked me to autograph each one of them.
	Really?
	Yes, and they're in production now.
	And they can be had if they go to artistfirst.com.
	They are our fulfillment agent.
	Artifers.com, if they're on the web.
	How much?
	Those are... Boy, you would ask me that.
	I believe they're $25 for the set.
	Boy, I'm not in on the marketing, and I was just... That's all right, you get them.
	All right, so these CDs, if you studied them, if you followed the advice given on the CDs, what are your odds of meeting a Bigfoot?
	If they are in your area, your odds are extremely high.
	Extremely high.
	In fact, I hope those policemen, I wish that policemen and I wish the Southern Bigfoot organization would contact, get a copy of these things.
	Because this is a culmination of 30 years of experience.
	I have done it.
	I've been there.
	And this is how, and it starts from ground zero.
	Where to start your own research.
	How long does it take you to produce these?
	What, the CDs?
	Yeah.
	You mean, I don't understand.
	Well, to produce them, to put it all together.
	How big a project was it?
	Oh, well, for me to write it, it took 29 years to learn it, and one year to actually file it down into a viable script.
	And then I had to sit down and record it, so I recorded every single bit of it.
	And, oh God, so you're talking about, actually, about a year and a half to get the recordings the way they are right now.
	Well, that's a big project.
	Yes, it was.
	Well, the Ultimate Adventure, which is this companion, I met the recording engineer to that when I was on my way to Moscow, Russia, and I met him in Frankfurt, and I heard these people whispering behind me, that's the Bigfoot guy!
	And I thought, oh Lord, Doc, I can't even go to Russia, you know?
	And he was a supreme engineer.
	He had worked with Rod Stewart and Cher and the Jacksons and all this stuff.
	And he told me, he said, when we get back, if you want to do something, I will do it.
	Well, he did.
	He came to my home, built a recording studio, and spent nine months.
	And nothing on that recording is canned.
	And the only thing is, he didn't have a sense of humor.
	He would not let me sing.
	He wouldn't let you sing.
	He wouldn't let me.
	All right.
	Well, that'll add to the attraction of the buy, I guess.
	I don't sing either.
	Robert, I just don't do that.
	If you really want to meet Bigfoot, the website is ArtistFirst.com.
	ArtistFirst.com.
	And if they want to visit me, it's TrueSeekers.org.
	All right.
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	But it isn't.
	We don't have the government anymore.
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	2001 once again here is robert morgan
	robert hold on just one second I need to pose for a picture here.
	I'm right here.
	All right.
	I'm going to do that.
	I still haven't got it right.
	Well, I'll do it here shortly.
	All right.
	Robert, I'd like to take you to the telephones and let people ask you questions.
	They know that you know, and so obviously they have questions.
	Sure, but I have a question for you.
	Yeah, fire away.
	Is it really true that we, for the Al-Qaeda, that we changed Ramadan You don't want to go there.
	I don't care to go there.
	Instead, I'll go to the phones.
	First on the line, here on the air with Robert Morgan.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Good evening.
	Where are you, sir?
	I'm from Columbia, Missouri.
	Let's be on 1400 KFRU.
	All right.
	This takes place about two years ago.
	About three of my friends were up hunting around Cody, Wyoming.
	Me and my friends, we're more like traditionalists.
	We try to preserve the style of hunting back to the mountain man type.
	With old muzzleloaders.
	So we've really done a lot of research.
	Researching in clothing and weapon use and all that.
	Well, we were up in Cody, Wyoming at a friend's ranch up there doing mule deer hunting in the old traditional style.
	And, uh, we were up there and we had shot a mule deer.
	We'd been up there about two weeks and finally shot a mule deer.
	We're up there with pack horses and we're cutting this mule deer up.
	Put on pack horses.
	And, uh, all of a sudden there's what I thought at the time was this animal coming up.
	And it was kind of growling and snarling.
	Not really snarling, but kind of baring its teeth.
	I told my friends, I said, let's go with what we got on the horses and leave the rest.
	So we went back to our base camp.
	Later that night, I heard rustling in the leaves.
	I figured.
	I told my friends, I said, well, bears are trying to get to the meat.
	Let's reposition it.
	And we do.
	Didn't really notice anything.
	Got up the next morning, I asked my friends, I said, did you notice something odd about that animal yesterday?
	They just kind of said, yeah.
	Really hadn't seen anything like that, but we're not really from this country, so I figured it was something just native to this country.
	I said, yeah, me too.
	So we go out and go scouting for more mule deer.
	And I come back, me and a friend of mine come back early.
	And I heard some rustling in the camp.
	I said, the bears have gotten into the meat again.
	So let's sneak up real quiet and see if we can catch it and scare it off.
	So we sneak up to it, and there's this Looks like a guy in a... Have you ever seen the old pictures of the Indians or the mountain men with big buffalo capes around them?
	Oh yeah.
	It kind of looked like that, but it was not quite... I mean the hair was long.
	I'm like, what in the world is this?
	We sat there and watched it.
	I now know that it was Bigfoot, but at the time it didn't register.
	And we're watching it.
	You know, look at our packs and stuff like that.
	And our packs are the old basket style packs.
	Not the metal frame.
	Wood and basket weave.
	Let me tell you, they're a killer on the shoulders.
	But he's just real intrigued.
	Or Ed, I don't know if it was a he or she.
	He's just real intrigued with what we've got.
	Well, we finally said, I don't like this.
	Let's just kind of nonchalantly walk up and see if we can't spook it away.
	So we start walking like normal and sure enough it runs away a little spooked.
	Later that day we were eating lunch and I happened to notice the same things across this creek that we're camped at.
	I said, boys look at that.
	We sat there and watched it.
	And it watched us for probably, I don't know, it seemed forever, but it was probably more like 30 minutes.
	I said, I wonder what that is?
	It acts too much human-like to be an animal.
	So we started pondering and talking about it.
	One guy said, well, you know what?
	I bet you that's Bigfoot.
	We just kind of laughed at him about it.
	It was the oddest thing.
	The last day.
	We were packing up our meat and this thing is across the creek again, watching us pack up.
	So I said, I wonder if that's someone that's out here, you know, that's just been left out here, you know, hermit type.
	So I laid a hind quarter of one of the deer out in the center of the camp and I said, let's go.
	We acted like we was going.
	I said, no, let's double back and see.
	And as the Bigfoot had come across the creek and was eating on A little bit on the leg of deer.
	Then I took it and walked back up across the creek and down over the ridge.
	It was about the weirdest thing I've ever seen.
	Well, what you performed was something very similar to what the Native Americans would have done and are continuing to do, and that is to share what they have.
	Had you stuck around there after you gave him that, more than likely within a day or two you'd find some gifts.
	Yes, it would have appeared.
	I'm not talking about something from my fears of Roebuck.
	You would have found something that would have been important that he thought would be important to you, even if it would have been new sticks or reeds to repair your packs or something along those lines.
	We talked about this after we got back.
	We did a little bit of research, and I bet you that was Bigfoot that we saw.
	I have to compliment you on the fact that you had weapons, but you didn't even consider shooting it.
	No, we're talking muzzleloader-type weapons.
	We're more of the type that only shoot what you're going to eat, and that's it.
	Boy, good for you.
	I agree, good for him.
	here i i i i agree good for him and you know that and he's about the third
	tonight that said that the book you know i could never even occurred to them
	to shoot it and Do a lot of people who get near Bigfoot come back with that same story that it just never occurred to them to shoot?
	More and more are coming to that.
	I want to say that some of my colleagues that are like myself are getting through to people, and I hope we are.
	And more and more people are reacting to the Bigfoot as well.
	It's not bothering me.
	And, of course, they're cautious, just like the police officers.
	They had their weapons in case.
	But they didn't do, unfortunately, what Bugs did, the fellow that we had talked about before.
	Everybody wants to know about Bugs.
	And, of course, it ended, at least for now, when Bugs' wife said, oh, no, you don't.
	And we have not taken it any further than that.
	I tell you, though, on reflection, I absolutely believe bugs.
	I don't know about you.
	You listen to the story, and what do you think?
	I am ready to go to Texas.
	I was very surprised, and on top of that, I was extremely impressed and pleased.
	Even scientists had contacted me, offering their services, especially out of UCLA.
	I had people from the state's attorney's office contact me.
	I had police officers, detectives, people wanting to help.
	That was quite an event, and I hope that Bugs is listening, and I hope his wife lets him out of the closet.
	Well, he knows that I stand ready at a moment's notice to take him up on his offer, and to pass it on to you, and to take a trip to Texas.
	He knows that's true, so we await that call, Bugs.
	Listen, with respect to your CDs, is it true that all the profits are going directly to an organization to help further research?
	Oh, absolutely.
	The profits go to the American Anthropological Research Foundation.
	Well, in God's name, are you making a living?
	I beg your pardon?
	How are you making a living?
	Oh, hijacking cars.
	I've always been fairly lucky that way.
	I go out and I make my money, and then I go back and spend it.
	That's what it's all about.
	And if I die with more than $26 in my checking account, I'm going to be very angry.
	You know, that's kind of the way I think about money, too.
	All right, all right.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Robert Morgan.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi there.
	Hello.
	Oh my goodness gracious, can I say something real quick to you, Art?
	Yes.
	Before I make my point here, I am so grateful that you're here.
	I missed you so much, me and my wife.
	My wife and I, we cried.
	Heavily, when you were gone.
	Well, I'm grateful to be here too, sir.
	Thank you so much.
	And I'm so glad that you did what you did for Rush.
	We all prayed, and you know, it was a great thing, and I'm so glad we cried when you were back.
	Well, I wish I could tell you all I know about Rush, but I can't right now.
	I know, I understand.
	Things will be apparent in time.
	Alright, anyway.
	Exactly, okay.
	So hey Robert, I have a good friend that he's called up on the Aardvall Show a number of times under several assumed names because he's a very paranoid sort, just like most of us.
	And anyway, so he says that he knows in the Shasta area, of course all the stuff that goes on in Shasta and the Shasta Mountains, that's a whole different program.
	Yeah, it's kind of like tomorrow night's program.
	You're going to want to hear that, sir.
	Anyway, your point is?
	Okay, well, he says that he knows some Sasquatch, a whole Sasquatch family in the area, and that he believes that they are interdimensional.
	Now, that's my big, you know, that's my thing.
	I want to ask, do you have any idea if they can possibly be, you know, maybe they have some sort of Um, you know, something that we are lacking now that we have just, you know, it's faded out in the human.
	Okay, I think we really already answered this when I asked the question about the paranormal, but you're welcome to enlarge.
	You know, what I think is true, Robert, is that we assign in our minds, when something is as elusive as this, We automatically, in our minds, we assign it to the paranormal category.
	It's a natural human thing to do.
	Yes.
	And it kind of shows our weakness, and at the same time, a kind of yearning for something beyond what we can see, touch, smell, taste, etc.
	It kind of is akin, when I ask people, they'll tell me they're afraid of, oh, I'd be afraid if I saw a ghost.
	And I said, my answer is, look at me.
	Look at me right now.
	Are you afraid of me?
	Well, of course not.
	Well, if I die tomorrow and I come the next day to see you, why would you be afraid?
	And it's all it is, is the driver is outside the car, you know, and there's no difference.
	But it's the same thing with the Bigfoot.
	We try to, anything that we can't really grasp quickly, we like to think and I think subconsciously wish That there is another dimension.
	There has to be something more than what... Oh, well, I think there probably is.
	As we mentioned earlier, you know, most of the theoretical physicists who are right on top right now believe there may be 11 or more.
	And so I believe that.
	But in this case, you're just saying you think these creatures are as real as we are.
	Yes.
	And I think it's our own limitations that are the problem.
	Well, how are they bright enough?
	Well, of course, they are seen.
	They've been watching us for centuries.
	So they know what we're going to react to.
	I'll tell you how I can tell you that they, for sure, how they hand down things for probably hundreds if not thousands of years.
	I recorded an owl call in the state of Washington in the presence of George Harrison, the former managing editor for National Wildlife Magazine.
	We couldn't, for the life of us, figure out what this was.
	I knew, and we all said, it was something other than an owl.
	Because there were two of them, and under the circumstances, they were acting strangely.
	And we had those same feelings.
	Something was around.
	We finally identified it.
	It was the hoots of the arctic owl.
	The snowy owls from the arctic.
	The only time they hoot is when they're breeding.
	And they only breed in the arctic circle.
	How did the Bigfoot learn that?
	Was it possible that he... Oh, it had to be there, right?
	It had to have... It had to have perhaps came over the land bridge, heard it, picked it up, used it, and have passed it down from generation for how many generations?
	Wow.
	Wow.
	That really... That was... That knocked me back about 20 paces when I heard that.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	Me too.
	Wow, that's incredible.
	East of the Rockies, you're on air with Robert Morgan.
	Hello.
	Mr. Morgan.
	Yes, sir.
	Since you were on the last time, sir, I have tried, tried, tried very hard to locate a story that I read about 1950, somewhere between 1950 and 1955, of a group of people who brought maybe three or four hundred Maasai warriors from Africa over to South America.
	They were young children at the time, and they were going to be used to pick fruit and whatnot back in those days.
	And that after about a year or so, they found out that they could not communicate with each other verbally and whatnot and that it wasn't working out.
	So they took the majority of them up to the rainforest and left them there.
	And I was wondering, have you heard any of this story?
	No, I have not.
	Well, you know, after you were on the last time and you were telling about these things, that popped into my mind and I started thinking about that.
	How they could have come up from South America through Mexico into the Southwest.
	Well, the Maasai, you know, I mean, these are human beings.
	We have descendants of the Maasai playing basketball.
	Oh, I know!
	You know, so these are actual human beings that you would be able to identify in a New York Second.
	I will say, there is in South America, in Venezuela, and especially in Ecuador, They call it Mor Grande, otherwise the Big Monkey.
	And a friend of mine, Count Pinot Carola, he was an exploratory archaeologist looking for the lost gold of Pizarro.
	He was looking for gold, and he saw them on two separate occasions.
	In fact, there was a feeling among the Native Americans, and it seems to go even to South America, that if you really do something bad toward the Bigfoot, you have what they call bad luck.
	And whether you bring it about yourself, or is there something mystical?
	I don't know.
	You know, I've got a Native American on tomorrow night, so I will ask him about exactly that.
	Can you hold tight here at the bottom of the hour?
	You bet.
	Alright.
	Robert Morgan is my guest.
	The trip back in time continues, with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
	more somewhere in time coming up.
	I'm watching my children, watching my flowers, till you return.
	I'm that boy, and watching you burn.
	Now it begins, day after day.
	Day after day, this is my life, seeking the way, waiting to hear.
	A very old friend came by today, cause he was telling everyone in town,
	of the love that he just found, and reasoning of his latest flame.
	He talked and talked, and I heard him say, That she had the longest, blackest hair, the prettiest green eyes anywhere, and Marie's the name of his latest flame.
	Though I smiled, the tears inside were burning.
	I wished him luck and then said goodbye He was gone but still his words kept returning
	What else was there for me to do but cry?
	Would you believe that yesterday This girl was in my arms and swore to me
	She'd be mine eternally and the reason is A blade of spring
	Though I smiled the tears inside were a-burning I wished him luck and then said goodbye
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 11, 2001.
	I'm so hooked on this record and a few others that, I don't know, they just affect me mightily.
	Anyway, listen.
	Robert Morgan is here.
	We're talking about Bigfoot and taking your calls.
	Gee, guess what?
	I got a photo up.
	I said I was going to try and get the DP-200B up, and I do have that photo up on my webcam right now.
	To get to my webcam, and you can see my cool new t-shirt at the same time.
	We've got these t-shirts.
	Oh, I love them.
	Go to Artbell.com, go to Program, and then over to Artbell Studio Cam, and you'll see a picture of this cool little radio.
	It really is such a slick radio.
	Promise it, and there it is, finally, so you can legibly see it.
	Robert Morgan, back in a moment.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM, from December 11th, 2001.
	Alright, uh, back now to Robert.
	Morgan, you're back on the air.
	Robert?
	Wonderful.
	Hey, I hear you're doing some sort of internet radio program yourself.
	Is that true?
	Yes.
	In fact, I was going to call you and ask you to be a guest.
	Like I'm not on the radio enough, huh?
	Well, you're not doing anything else.
	Yes, as a matter of fact, the artistfirst.com people contacted me, and it was after we did the bug show, because when I tell you I had over nearly 486 emails.
	I mean, I was flooded.
	And, of course, Artist First just loved it.
	So they invited me to do a test balloon.
	Right.
	And so far, for whatever reason, each Tuesday night, and it's between 9 and 10 Eastern Time, I have had a marvelous audience.
	I'm not as charming as you are, nor am I as good looking.
	But I try hard.
	I'm not good looking, I don't go on television.
	So you do a show, I take it, about Bigfoot.
	Yeah, well, more than that.
	We do theartistfirst.com as to how you can get on to it.
	The American Astrological Research Foundation, of which I'm president, we're involved in a lot of things.
	The Institute for Neuroscience Awareness is one, which has to do with EEG neurofeedback for brain trauma, curing brain trauma problems, and circumventing it.
	We also have the Institute for Children with Challenges.
	So you know something about these things?
	Oh, well, by osmosis.
	Yes, I do.
	Well, okay then.
	I've got a really good question for you.
	I had a gal on the air the other night whose name was Pam.
	And Pam has been featured on 48 Hours and elsewhere.
	And she had an aneurysm in her brain.
	You didn't happen to hear that, did you?
	No, I did not.
	She had an aneurysm in her brain, Robert.
	And in order to clip this aneurysm without killing her, The only thing they could do was to lower her body temperature way down, and her heart stopped.
	They pumped all the blood out of her body, every last bit of the blood out of her body, and her brainwaves stopped.
	For an hour.
	Robert, for an hour.
	She was dead.
	D-E-A-D.
	Dead.
	Right.
	She told us what happened while she was dead.
	But at any rate, they pumped the blood back into her body.
	Her heart was kick-started with the paddles, you know that kind of thing?
	Right.
	And after an hour, Robert, she came back.
	Now, if you know anything about neurological studies, maybe you'd like to comment for me on the following question.
	During that hour, where Where was she?
	Well, that's like you and I.
	Okay, I'm going to pick you up and we're going to go down and have a hamburger.
	We park our car and we get out.
	All right?
	Normally you leave the engine running because the soul, certainly.
	I am much prettier than this body will let you know.
	I look at, being a Buddhist, I look at ourselves as these bodies are nothing more or less than cars that we're driving.
	That's all.
	It's the soul that's important, not the body.
	Now, I must say, comment on that treatment.
	Do you know who invented that treatment?
	Actually, she had the operation from one of the pioneers in Arizona.
	I'm sorry, I can't recall his name.
	I'm going to have him on the air.
	He wants to come on the air.
	Well, it was pioneered by the Russians.
	Okay.
	The Russians were the first people that lowered our body temperature so far down.
	I wish that they had done this with my brother.
	My brother was the chief of police in Campbell, California.
	He had an aneurysm at age 48.
	And he was strapped to a board for seven years.
	Couldn't speak.
	Couldn't move.
	Nothing.
	And yet he was totally, the body was totally aware he had all those feelings.
	And he wrote a book, Messages to My Children, by blinking his eyes.
	Oh my God.
	So I am very grateful each day that I walk.
	I have no complaints.
	Zero.
	But okay, so you are a believer in the fact that we are invested with souls.
	But it still didn't answer my question.
	Where did she go?
	Yeah, for that hour, where was she?
	Well, she had obviously, I would assume that her body, that her soul had stepped out and perhaps even watched the operation.
	You are correct.
	She described the operation.
	In fact, there's the other thing that just, we're so far off Bigfoot now, but here's the other thing that just is impossible.
	She described all the procedures that went on during the linear
	hour of time that they operated on her, Robert.
	That doesn't surprise me, Art. Have you not been able to astrally project?
	But, yes, I have, but zero neurological function.
	I mean zero.
	No brain waves.
	Well, the brain is not the soul.
	That's apparently what you know.
	All right.
	Well, listen, a lot of people, we got off track here.
	I just couldn't help it when you said that, that, you know, that that was part of your research.
	Oh, we're into all sorts of things.
	I, you know, if I can't get in, get my toe into everything that's going on, as long as it has one thing, and that's a positive thing, someday, I would like you to talk with a young man by the name of Colleen Smith, whose son Judah was considered an idiot with an IQ of 30.
	He was totally flaccid.
	His brain was destroyed during vacuum extraction.
	You should speak with the little boy.
	He now speaks French, German, and English.
	He may step, he may actually be able to move and stand in the not-too-distant future, all because of EEG neural feedback.
	But that's another subject, and I know that it's big football.
	That's right.
	I'm up to my ears in everything, every waking moment, and when I dream at night, there's so much to do, there's so much to learn.
	Alright, and so many calls.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Robert Morgan.
	Hello.
	Hello, how are you doing?
	I'm okay, sir.
	Incidentally, that bumper music was great at the bottom of the hour.
	I just went to Graceland over Thanksgiving.
	It was a great trip.
	Good for you.
	Yeah.
	I had a question for Robert.
	I'm a physical anthropology student here at the University of Oklahoma, and I just got done with a Yeti research paper.
	And one of the questions I had upon doing the research was that I'm assuming that, like, I guess there's a lot of geographical variations that a lot of researchers in this field kind of acknowledge, like Yeti Sasquatch and the South American, I guess, counterpart to that is the Kurapira, I think, or something like that.
	Well, you have isolated gene pools that would modify themselves within their environment.
	That's right.
	Right.
	I was just kind of wondering, are these variations considered subspecies, or are they derivations of the same line that are considered one species entirely?
	Well, first of all, it wouldn't be considered by anyone because science hasn't really accepted it yet.
	Officially.
	Oh, yeah.
	Unofficially, between you and me.
	Yes.
	Because, for instance, I noticed the difference in the body type in South Florida, in the Florida Everglades.
	They're tall, very slender, almost initiated in comparison to the giants that you find of the massive chest And all of this.
	And the rationale behind that, I'm a slow learner.
	Believe me, it takes a long time for things to sink in.
	But I discovered, you know, the key deer that they have in Florida are tiny because they don't need that massive body around them to keep the intestines warm.
	And so what happens here is things have adapted.
	So the Bigfoot sightings in Florida would be distinctly different.
	Isolated gene pools also would be multiplied according to, I'm sure you know, you're familiar with Mendelian genetics, because you'd have a fallout when you have certain groups that have been isolated in certain areas for X period of time.
	Two things are going to affect them.
	First of all, their environment, and second of all, the gene pool from which they can draw.
	Am I right?
	Right, that's exactly right.
	I was just like, there seemed to be so much literature on the subject, and based off that, I had understood that there was Just a lot of groupings into different categorical kind of divisions based off the environment and geography.
	I mean, there was, I mean, just even around the Himalayas, there were several, like, subdivisions of the Yeti phenomenon there alone.
	And it was just, I just found it pretty fascinating that there was so many of these kind of regional things that were just, that were all locked up together based off just the literature that was involved.
	Well, the major differentiation that I've been able to, the primary thing that I've been able to note in the Himalayas, for instance, and I'm trying so hard to put things together.
	I want to go to Mongolia.
	There's an isolated area there that I think I'm going to try my methodology, my protocol for contacting them passively.
	And I might get my bean knocked off over there.
	Maybe we'll find out.
	But the major differentiation is in the color.
	The color of the skin, or not of the skin, but of the hair, among the youth in America, in North America I'm speaking, is reddish color.
	And then they turn black as they become an adult, and then of course become grizzled gray.
	I don't find that.
	I don't find any variations at all, any reports at all, among the yeti.
	Now I've been to Georgia, the Republic of Georgia, And out of Tbilisi, up in the Caucasus Mountains.
	And Zeyna, the female there, was pure black.
	And things like this.
	And they seem to be more related to us than they did to the Himalayas.
	That's amazing.
	You'll have some fun with that.
	Yeah, thanks a lot.
	Alright, Weller, thank you.
	And I've got a really, really interesting email here.
	Robert, it says, In order for a scientific name to be valid, a type name-bearing specimen is needed.
	However, you don't need to shoot one.
	The best approach is to look for fossils in caves, especially ones that are natural traps.
	If Bigfoot exists, there are fossils gathering dust in museum.
	Paleontologists, including me, use search images.
	If you don't know what you're looking at, you don't recognize it.
	The way past this is to appeal to grad students.
	Post a reward for confirmed Bigfoot fossils.
	Offer a year's supply of beer and the fossils will be found in a month.
	From a paleontologist.
	Well, I stand up, salute that gentleman or lady, whoever they may be.
	I had a feeling you might agree.
	Thank God for a scientist like this.
	I don't know who they are, but I wish you well with all my heart, and if I can gather that much beer, I will let you know.
	A natural trap.
	That would be an interesting place to search for artifacts, wouldn't it?
	Yes, it would.
	Except for one problem here.
	You're dealing with a human-like species.
	Now, how many Neanderthals, Cro-Magnon, etc., have we found in the Tar Pits or places like this?
	We have found very few.
	Very few.
	And I don't know of any.
	Now, there may be some, but I don't know of any.
	The idea is that if you fell in, we wouldn't hunt alone.
	We would be out someplace.
	And Art, if you fell into one of those traps, I'm going to get you out.
	OK?
	And we'll throw you a rope.
	I will find a way.
	I'll break a tree off and send it down.
	So we're an elephant.
	Of course, they will try to get their people out.
	But they can't do it because of their massive weight.
	They're going to go down.
	So you're going to find Mastodon.
	You're going to find things like this.
	You're going to find deer.
	Because deer don't help one another.
	If one gets in trouble, the rest run away and say, thank God it's not me.
	Yeah.
	So when you're dealing with a hominid, I'm not sure.
	How many monkeys have we found?
	Oh, it's a very good point.
	No, excellent point.
	Well said.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morgan.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	I'm calling from New Franklin, Missouri.
	Yes, sir.
	And I was wondering if Robert knew anything about a town called Louisiana, Missouri.
	I have heard of it.
	Yes.
	About 25 years ago, there was a sighting in Louisiana, Missouri.
	And I was one of the participants there.
	But I didn't never never seen anything.
	I smelt something.
	That, uh, smelt like, uh, rotting flesh, but we never seen anything.
	Uh-huh.
	Is that, is that, uh, Robert, what a Bigfoot smells like?
	Rotting flesh?
	Well, and okay, now I'm gonna have to gross some of your people out.
	That's alright, it's real late.
	Go ahead and gross them out.
	Here's a theory that I have that I think is pretty accurate.
	Let's go back to Native Americana.
	If we wanted to hunt a buffalo, We would dress like a buffalo, walk hunched over like a buffalo, and if you found fresh buffalo scat, if you're a good hunter and you have a strong stomach, you're going to roll in it.
	That's exactly how you're going to get close.
	I had had so many reports that were so oddball, Art, I just didn't accept them.
	I couldn't believe it.
	Is that one of the ways that you get close to a Bigfoot?
	I mean, have you done this?
	Have you gone down and rolled in poop?
	No, it's the opposite.
	What has happened is that they had report after report after report of Bigfoot rolling where we dumped or pumped out our septic tanks.
	Oh, man.
	Absolutely rejected it.
	I thought this was the most ridiculous, but I kept getting them.
	And suddenly it dawned on me, and thank God it was for Nino Cortese, my adopted father.
	He said, look, dummy.
	I think that was his favorite name for me.
	Hey, dummy.
	He said, look.
	They must think that's what we smell like, and they're trying to, because lots of times people smell this huge thing next to your house, that they actually find human feces, rub themselves in it, in order to think that's the way we smell.
	And the other night when I was in Walmart, I was in Oslo, never mind.
	You thought you detected a Bigfoot in lines.
	I could tell where that, I got that idea.
	But, you know, when you think of it logically, coldly, not emotionally, you think of it coldly, this would make sense from their viewpoint.
	It would, sure.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, of course it would.
	You know, the Vietnamese, when they were hunting us, they could tell we were in the area by our smell.
	They could smell an American.
	Yeah, I know.
	So why not?
	So if I were shot down behind their lines, I just might.
	You know, if I just might, I'm gonna live.
	Robert, bless you, my friend, and good night.
	Anytime.
	Take care, and you can be sure there will be another time.
	And I leave you with just a bit more.
	Ah, good morning, everybody.
	That creature is out there, you know.
	I'm Art Bell from the high desert.
	Ta-ta.
	Some velvet morning when I was breaking I'm gonna open up your gate
	And maybe tell you about Vedra And how she gave me life And how she made it in Some velvet morning when I was
	drained Flowers growing on a hill Pleasant, pleasant, I've forbid
	Learn from us very much.
	Look at us but do not touch.
	Pedro is my name.
	Some velvet morning when I'm straight I'm gonna

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