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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Out of the Box Thinking About Terrorism - Open Lines

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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, the night featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 26, 2001, from the hot desert and the great American Southwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bid you all good evening, and good morning and good afternoon across all time zones on Earth.
		This is Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Art Bell, and it's going to be a special night tonight, Friday night, Saturday morning.
		We're going to have only one topic all night long, and it's a real doozy.
		We'll get to that shortly.
		It's the out-of-the-box thinking topic, right?
		That's coming up.
		It'll be a doozy.
		And there's plenty of news to bolster reason for this kind of thinking.
		New news.
		The U.S. Supreme Court is closed for anthrax testing.
		So now even the U.S. Supreme Court, it's getting to, you know, it's getting everywhere in government.
		Everywhere.
		Trace amounts of anthrax have now been discovered in the offices of three congressmen in a House office building.
		So, Supreme Court, the government generally, even the CIA, I guess you've heard about that, right?
		Anthrax coming at us from all over the place.
		Meanwhile, the war goes on.
		U.S. warplanes mistakenly bombed Red Cross warehouses in a nearby residential area in Kabul for the second time in a month.
		That was our Pentagon acknowledging that, FAA teens.
		The ruling Taliban on Friday captured and probably lopped off the head of a former guerrilla leader who slipped into Afghanistan to try to lure tribal leaders away from that regime.
		In other words, he rather fancied himself as the next ruler going there to build a coalition, but not without his head.
		I actually don't know that he's been beheaded, but he's definitely dead.
		A top health official getting back to the anthrax official raised the possibility today there may be a second anthrax-laced letter to the Washington area somewhere after a State Department worker fell ill with the disease.
		How the employee got inhaled anthrax remains a mystery.
		The Postal Workers Union is talking about shutting down mail processing plants, stopping the mail, virtually stopping the mail in the affected cities, you know, New York, Washington.
		That would be incredible.
		You can't stop the mail to New York, can you?
		Or can you?
		I really don't know, but that's an incredible thing to contemplate.
		I certainly understand the postal workers' dilemma.
		You know, they're handling perhaps something lethal.
		So you can understand their dilemma, but wow, to stop the mail to New York and Washington.
		Wow, that would really be something.
		And now the suits at the post office have said it's an insane idea.
		I don't know.
		I can see both sides of the argument.
		I can see the postal workers' argument for sure.
		And I can see our government side.
		If you stopped the mail to New York and Washington, what would happen to our economy?
		Well, it would be, I'm sure, would be wounded, don't you think?
		Well, listen, Tuesday night, Tuesday night of this week, I had a guest on and we got into an animated conversation about the probable wider war that we're about to be engaged in, one that could include virtually a war between Islam and the Western world.
		It could surely go there.
		No question about it.
		And my guest was saying that we need to think out of the box, really out of the box.
		Now, what does that mean?
		That means unusual, innovative, wild, even crazy ideas about how we can win this war.
		Because right now, if you really look at it objectively, we're bombing and we're looking for Osama.
		But I'm not sure how much we, well, to some great degree, we've bounced the rubble around over there.
		And it's going to be a long war.
		It's going to be a hard war.
		Nobody says this is easy, and there are objective people who would view the other side as winning right now.
		Doesn't mean we're ultimately going to lose, because we are innovative people.
		We are bright people.
		Now, you're not going to believe this.
		After I decided, I instantly, at that very time, I knew that this was going to be an incredibly good, worthwhile, probably fun topic.
		And you just never know, we might come up with some really valuable idea.
		Well, lo and behold, Thursday, October 25th, unbelievably, the following story was sent out by Reuters News Dateline, Washington.
		The Pentagon cast a wide net on Thursday for bright ideas on thwarting terrorism, seeking to pick the brains of just about everyone From tinkerers in their garages to big corporations worldwide.
		Defense Department said it was seeking help in defeating difficult targets, conducting protracted operations in remote areas, and developing countermeasures to weapons of mass destruction.
		And it goes on and on.
		The goal is to find concepts that could be developed and fielded in 12 to 18 months, short time, right?
		Much faster than normal Pentagon purchasing and deployment timetables.
		In other words, usually they've got tons of paperwork.
		They've got bureaucracy tenfold and they can't get anything done quickly.
		But they're saying, hey, listen, we're ready to cut the red tape.
	And if we get a good idea, let's rock.
	You know, like getting a drug through tomorrow.
	U.S. officials from President Bush on down have said they fear more terrorist attacks after the September 11th hijack attacks that killed more than 5,000 at the World Trade Center, Pentagon, and of course the crashed airline flight in Pennsylvania.
	Now, a little further down in the story, and we have linked to the ABC News Reuters story, so you can read this for yourself.
	A little further down in the story, it says, The beauty of it is you can get a broad range of people thinking out of the box.
	Often you'll get ideas from inventors as well as big defense contractors.
	Well, so there you have it.
	I don't know whether I should feel flattered, spied upon, or just like a person who's had a very synchronous thing occur to him.
	I will choose to believe that they may have heard us contemplating the whole out-of-the-box thing.
	And they decided, well, hey, you know, that's a pretty good idea.
	Why don't we encourage it?
	So even the Pentagon wants it.
	And tonight we shall give it to them.
	Encouraging my listeners, who for the most part are out of the box a little bit anyway, just like me, to actually think even further out of the box is a little like lighting a stick of dynamite.
	Talk radio dynamite, but that's okay.
	That's what we're going to do.
	So, tonight's topic is...
	Are you ready?
unidentified		Think out of the box.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let your mind, let your body drift out of the box.
		Contemplate a way that America can quickly, cleanly win this war with no major after-effects.
		In other words, a best idea today wins.
		In fact, best idea throughout the show tonight just might get implemented, just might get carried forth.
		So it is a great power indeed you have tonight.
		Go ahead.
		Be my guest.
		Get weird.
		Think about what we can do.
		How we can get bin Laden.
		How we can not cause all of Islam to go to war against us.
		How we can end terrorism.
		All of that.
		If you have a strange and just even a weird idea, lay it on us.
		That's what we're up to tonight.
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		Now we look at sending humans to an asteroid.
		Smart idea?
		I would love to see that happen.
		A mission to an asteroid is exactly the kind of thing that our nation's space program ought to be focused on.
		Really pushing the envelope and really showing us what's feasible and possible to do.
		What better target than leaving the Earth-Moon system behind completely and venturing off to a new little world that we've never been to before and getting ready for that long mission to Mars.
		Now we take you back to the night of October 26th, 2001, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Heaven help us now.
		We're going to open the lines and see what sort of out-of-box thinking you've got tonight.
		You just never know.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have some out-of-the-box thinking?
unidentified		Yeah, sort of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It just crossed my mind.
unidentified		This is Mark from Suffering, New York, by the way.
unidentified		I was thinking about maybe how about having some type of world election and just try to have a vote to decide that maybe we should nuke them all and give a certain amount of time to either, you know, come on our side or, you know, it's a terrible thing, would be Millions of people, but maybe we should have to do something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you mean by nuke them all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be specific.
unidentified		Well, you know, basically what I'm saying is that, I mean, you know, go after the countries themselves.
unidentified		I mean, granted would be destroying millions of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But again, define nuke them all.
unidentified		Would just kill everything there is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everything there is?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean in Iraq, for example?
unidentified		Definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, definitely Iraq?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
unidentified		All of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Afghanistan.
unidentified		Afghanistan, Lebanon, everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Lebanon, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lebanon, too.
unidentified		Libya, you know, I mean, it's a sad thing to say.
		As a human being, I feel bad even saying it, but to me, I don't know what's going to happen because I feel that we're going to be destroyed.
		It's in the making.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think it's a death match?
unidentified		Yes, I would agree with that.
unidentified		Yes, it's us or them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Women, children, dogs, cats.
unidentified		I hate to say that, but yes.
unidentified		Every living thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every living thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In every country that is suspected of terrorism, I take it.
unidentified		Right, and this would be a worldwide vote.
unidentified		How long would it take to have a vote?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long?
unidentified		Well, any civilized country have a vote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, who would be voting?
unidentified		Any country in the world that wants to vote and just have a vote?
unidentified		Should we do this and let the world go on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would that be including or excluding the probable targets of this?
unidentified		It would include the target, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they could vote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
unidentified		Definitely.
unidentified		I mean, I don't want to make it into a religious thing, you know, if there's more Christians or more Islam or whatever, but just and see if the world can go on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, there we go.
		You're out of the box, all right?
		I appreciate your call.
		You're probably where, in New York?
unidentified		Yes, I'm about 40 miles outside this city.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Nuke them all.
		Well, that would be quite some number of countries.
		But first, he wants a vote.
		You know, just the process alone of the voting, you know, something that could probably be done at the UN, right?
		That would probably so scare the hell out of these countries that they'd throw bin Laden out on his ear.
unidentified		Here, take them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Nukemal, serious stuff.
		Wildcard line, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		This is Michael from Portland, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Michael.
unidentified		Listened to you for three years plus, and quick and fast, I have a good humor thing.
unidentified		I think we need to put out movies and putting our nasty one in the movies doing stupid things, falling on his face, saying something that he believes in, and have manure either spilled against him or been long in your.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You get him.
		Well, we've got to get him first.
		We all truly don't have them.
unidentified		The point is, to do this, I think, humor after humor movie, just flick, dump things on where he is living to prove the point that he is really stupid in the eyes of everyone else who has to vitamin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you want to dump dung on him?
unidentified		Well, I use that phrase.
unidentified		I only mean that humor movies against him that would really get him upset, having himself to see them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Parodies.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure how somebody of that mindset would accept a parody.
		It might drive them absolutely totally nuts.
		I don't know.
unidentified		Yeah, well, that's really what I was aiming at, saying, at least take a flip-flop of what we're trying to do.
		Otherwise, I'm not against fighting him and getting him in the end.
		But come up with something that would really bother him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about my last caller's option?
unidentified		Didn't hear the last caller's option?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He wanted to nuke everybody.
		Nuke all the countries even suspected of terrorism, but he wanted before he did that to hold a vote.
		All countries in the world could vote.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, nice.
unidentified		Well, sounds great, but on paper, it's on and verbally, but I don't think it would do the job against the way that he thinks, which is quite a bit different than what normal people would think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, but it might vaporize him.
unidentified		Very true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Along with, of course, everybody else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we asked you to think out of the box.
		How do we win this war?
		Get out of the box, throw away your usual thinking, and tell me how you think we can win this war.
		The further out of the box you are, the better.
		But it should be workable.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		All right, I hope this connection is better than the one you and I had last night.
unidentified		The force just wasn't with me, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, the force is with you now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is Tom in Mesa, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Just outside of Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got some out of the box thinking?
unidentified		Well, they got aircraft carriers out there, don't they?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, we have aircraft carriers.
unidentified		Well, yeah, that's what I mean, us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, load the aircraft carriers with crop duster planes and have them with mixtures of reduced pork fat and pork feces.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another dung drop.
unidentified		But this one would be literal since they have decidedly declared holy war on us.
unidentified		Why should we be respectful of their religious ethic, such as it is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pork fat?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And dung.
unidentified		Hey, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a pretty disgusting mixture.
unidentified		Art, for a topic, you know, outside of the war, you know, if you ever get to any open night like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am on an open night.
unidentified		Well, anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you mean other than the war?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, just a suggestion on my part.
		Yes.
		I'd like to hear from somebody well-scholar in current methods of alternate reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We do that all the time, sir.
		Alternate realities we talk about all the time.
		Just doing this show is an alternate reality of one sort.
		Eustid Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, this is Edmund from Columbus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Edmund, how are you doing?
unidentified		Quite well, sir.
		Thank you.
		You have proven through your Princeton Actual proof.
		The graphs went off the chart.
		Experimenting with mass consciousness should concentrate on the most quick, most peaceful resolution of the problem on a continuing basis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So a mind-blowing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A mind blast.
unidentified		A mind blast.
		Once a month.
		You know?
		Because you you know someone must have told you about the hundredth monkey concept.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, if if we get a portion of the population of each religion, and there's a large portion of all religions who are terrified of this personally, pray for peace in whichever form that wave goes out there.
		Would that be peace at any price?
		See, stop a second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a real reptile part of my brain.
		Yes, everyone does.
		But mine is very prominent.
		And, you know, I want peace too, but I want it after we kill them.
		Now, I understand that that's not too far out of the box.
		That's the usual old box.
		But I'm really kind of stuck there.
		They killed thousands of Americans.
		I say, go to hell and rot there and die.
		And I think that we should do that.
		We should kill them.
		That's just me.
unidentified		You want to pray for peace at any price?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The quickest way to get it.
		All right.
		Well, listen, I'm putting you down there.
		Peace at any price, virtually.
unidentified		You want to pray for that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to kill them.
unidentified		You're listening to Arc Bell, somewhere in time, on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an oncore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from October 26, 2001.
		You've been a messing.
		Well, you shouldn't have been a messing.
		And now someone else is getting all your best.
		These boots are made for walking.
		And that's just what they'll do.
		One of these daily boots are gonna walk all over you.
		One of these daily boots are gonna walk all over you.
		She's got something to move my soul.
		And she knows I love to love her.
		But she lets me down every time you make her mind.
		She's no one's lover tonight with me.
		She'll be so inviting.
		I want her all for myself.
		Oh, temptation, I'm looking through my mind, my core.
		Oh, temptation, I'm you've got to love me.
		You've got to love me tonight.
		You've got to love me, baby, yeah.
		Oh, all I do think it's just a game, we're just the same.
		My head is spinning.
		She's got a way to keep me on her side.
		It's just a ride.
		It's never anything tonight with me.
		Mark Bell, somewhere in time.
		Tonight's true replay on Coast of Costa from October 26, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I alluded to the following email the other day when we began talking about this.
		It was sent by Diane, who says, Art, please share this with Ramona.
		It's entitled, Go Girls Go by Diane.
		And here's her idea.
		Take, well, you know how the Taliban feels about women, right?
		Take all American women who are within five years of menopause.
		Train us for a few weeks.
		Outfit us with automatic weapons, grenades, gas masks, moisturizer, SPF-15, Crozac hormones, chocolate, and canned tuna.
		Drop us parachuted, preferably, across the landscape of Afghanistan and let us do what comes naturally.
		Think about it, Art.
		Our anger quotient alone, even with just doing standard stuff like grocery shopping and paying bills, is formidable enough even to make armed men in turbans tremble.
		We've had our children.
		We would gladly suffer or die to protect them and their future.
		We'd like to get away from our husbands if they haven't left already.
		And for those of us who are single, the prospect of finding a really good man with whom to share life is about as likely as being struck by lightning.
		We have nothing to lose.
		We've survived the water diet, the protein diet, the carbohydrate diet, and the grapefruit diet.
		Been in gyms and saunas across America, never lost a pound.
		We can easily survive months in the hostile terrain of Afghanistan with no food at all.
		We've spent years tracking down our husbands or lovers who ignore us in bars, hardware stores, or sporting events.
		Finding bin Laden in some cave will be no problem.
		Uniting all the warring tribes of Afghanistan in a new government?
		Oh, please.
		We've planned the seating arrangements for in-laws and extended families at Thanksgiving dinner for years.
		We understand tribal warfare.
		Between us, we've divorced enough husbands to know every trick there is for how they hide, launder, and or cover up bank accounts and money sources.
		We know how to find that money, and we know how to seize it with or without the government's help.
		Let us go and fight.
		The Taliban hates women.
		Imagine their terror as we crawl like ants with hot flashes over their godforsaken terrain.
		I'm going to write my congressman, and you should too.
		Go, girls, go.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of October 26, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, again, the topic tonight, think out of the box, get way out of the box.
		How do we win this war, or even any aspect of it, for that matter?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		Hi.
		Where are you?
		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm Cindy, and I'm in Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Cindy.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		This may be stupid, but in addition to bringing the terrorists to justice, it seems obvious to me that any border agreement between Islam and the Jewish people over there is pretty slim.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean the Palestinians?
unidentified		Yeah, Palestinians.
		I'm sorry.
		How about if we move, get in there with excavators and just move massive amounts of the soil from one side to the other side of the border?
		They can build a giant mosque over it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Soil?
unidentified		Yeah, whatever.
		Just get in there.
		Move just mass quantities of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you can't really do that.
		I mean, if you move the dirt, then there's still dirt there to be fought over.
		In other words, you could never move at all.
unidentified		No, but divide it somehow, 50-50.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, these Israelis have been doing that for a long time.
unidentified		That's so important to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, a Palestinian state is being talked about now.
		And that's sort of the same idea.
		You just want to move a lot of dirt.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Take care.
		Somehow I don't think that settles land disputes.
		You know, moving dirt.
		I own that.
		No, I own that.
		All right.
		Well, then here, have this dirt.
		No, probably not.
		Wild Card, I try not to be judgmental, but dirt.
		Wild Card, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		How you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Abilene, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Abilene, okay.
unidentified		I'm getting chilly down here.
		I'm glad you asked that question out of the box.
		That's what I got for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
unidentified		I just want to read you like three small paragraphs.
unidentified		No, please don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Don't read to me, but do paraphrase it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't read.
unidentified		There's a program called the Peaceful Solution Education Program.
		Yes.
		It teaches people how to solve their problems agreeably.
		And we as a nation, you know, we could bring this program into all the schools in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And with this program, we could start turning, you know, the hearts and the minds of all people to peace and away from the hatred that we see building in us and in all the other nations but how do you get around the fact that uh 5,000 Americans have been murdered?
		I mean, surely that cries out for some kind of justice.
		I'm all for peace.
unidentified		Indeed.
unidentified		This terrorist attack is a tragedy, but if we lower ourselves to become exactly what we see in those miserable people who are filled with just as much hatred, they willingly gave their lives in order to take the lives of others, are we any better than they?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you oppose the death penalty?
unidentified		I oppose there's a place for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is a place for the death penalty in your mind.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, if you wouldn't impose it for the murder of 5,000 people, what would you do?
unidentified		Well, I tell you, the people that killed the 5,000 people are dead, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It says who?
		Oh, well, you mean the guys that, yeah, but they were directed.
		In any court in the land, sir, those who ordered the hit are as responsible as those who pull the trigger.
		And those guys ain't caught yet, sir.
unidentified		Any court of the land, you have to prove that somebody did something.
		And I'm not saying Bin Laden didn't do it, and I'm not saying Bin Laden's a nice guy.
		When all I'm trying to say is that this entire country is willing to nuke, as the earlier caller said, everybody in the Middle East.
		Well, on account of one man or 20 men's orders to destroy 5,000 people, and that don't make us any better.
		That's the same stuff they're doing.
		What we really need to do is go to these nations and ask them and say, what are your complaints with us?
		And truly present care and concern to them and desiring to help solve their dilemmas rather than showing revenge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I appreciate your call and your suggestion, and I am just going to really try and not be judgmental and just take your suggestions.
		And if yours is that we have a big piece hoe down with them somewhere, then I'll let you present that.
		That's out of the box, all right?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Eric, and I'm in Denver, Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Eric.
unidentified		And my suggestion is something that you've talked about on your show, actually, a little bit before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		The HAARP project.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		I was thinking, well, since one of their ideas was that it was used to map out underground caves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bunkers?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caves?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it also may have use in disrupting the thinking process of people, it is theorized.
unidentified		That, or maybe even possibly creating some sort of sonic vibrations to collapse those caves?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I was thinking along the same lines of collapsed caves.
		There ought to be a way.
		They've got these bunker busters, and that would no doubt collapse cave.
		But, yeah, good.
		I mean, that's good.
		I'm sure they're working real hard on trying to find the bunkers and the places they can drop the bunker busters.
		So that one's probably underway.
unidentified		Well, I hope it helps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much, and take care.
		Use HAARP.
		Locate the caves and drop the big ones on them.
		Well, I'm sure we're using, I would think, whatever technology we have to find the hiding locations, the bunkers, the caves Of these murderers.
unidentified		Sure, we're trying to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It may come down, you know, to a virtual urban warfare.
		If the Taliban is hiding the worst of them among their civilian population, which is probable, it's going to be one hell of a job to go in there and door-to-door find them almost impossible.
		Guerrilla warfare at its worst.
		So if any of you can come up with an out-of-the-box idea, that would be a Canadian out-of-the-box, right?
		Idea that would avoid that kind of warfare, which would be very lossy in terms of human lives for us, that would be good.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Arth.
		That email was hilarious.
		And I thought it quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe not others.
unidentified		I thought I'd mention what you might be interested in, is a friend of mine's got a shadow cat that walks around the house.
unidentified		And she thought it was her own cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're not doing that tonight, sir.
unidentified		No, but I just thought I'd mention me your out-of-the-box eye.
		I have, for the last, say, 12 years, I've been doing remote viewing before I even knew what it was.
		And I don't do it.
		put something under hypnosis which if you're at this psychic they can play really can remotely want it once they're under and I don't understand where the I What is your idea, that they use remote view?
		They use remote view and get a map and say, now, where is he?
		You know, and all they do, point it out.
		That should be simple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
		I appreciate your call, sir.
		We've really already done that, in a way.
		As you know, Ed Dames remote viewed the location at the time of the attack, the control point of the attack, as near Kandahar and actually drew a map.
		And you may have noticed, that was a long time ago.
		And as you may have noticed, we are spending particular numbers, large numbers of bombs in the Kandahar area.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
		Off, all the way off.
		No, all the way off, sir.
		All the way off.
		You got to click.
		Turn it off.
		Okay, it's off.
		Okay.
		Go ahead.
		Now, what is your first name?
unidentified		Tom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where are you calling from, Tom?
unidentified		Gilbert, Ohio.
		Or Gilbert, Arizona.
		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't even know what state you're in.
unidentified		No, no, no.
		I'm from the East.
		I'm actually a past elected official in the state of New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You still got your radio on.
unidentified		Okay, go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you've got your dog on, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you've got an out-of-the-box idea for us or what?
unidentified		Well, it may be out-of-the-box.
		I think one of the things we need to start doing is civil, more civil defense within our own country.
		The presence of military.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But how will that end the war?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The idea is to come up with an out-of-the-box idea that will help us win the war, sir.
unidentified		Well, I heard the caller earlier say about New Komal.
unidentified		And I think what we need to do is look at more survival.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But how does that help us?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's good for defense, but how does that help us win the war?
unidentified		Well, we've got to first protect our own people first.
		Maybe by shutting down the borders, starting to protect our waterways, protect our airports, protect our electrical grids, everything that's in place.
		We need to start really concentrating on protecting our own people and then leave the war that's outside of our country go on and we go over there and we do what we have to, but institute the draft only for civil defense.
		Get people more involved in their own country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So nobody fights that doesn't want to overseas.
unidentified		Right, right.
unidentified		But I think if we keep concentrating over there, just like what they're doing with the anthrax, if it's terrorism that's doing the anthrax and they're shutting down postal services and things like that, we need to really start looking at concentrating on protecting our people because we'll lose the war by trying to win the war over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Actually, you know what?
		He's got a good point.
		Now, of course, the administration is doing a lot in the homeland defense area.
		And there's a lot of that going on right now.
		So we sort of are doing that, and I suppose we can do more and we can do it more efficiently, right?
		And that will be part of winning the war.
		He's right, if we can make the American people comfortable so they feel relatively safe, then the other side is defeated in the sense that they have not met their objectives of terrorizing and disrupting us.
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
unidentified		Yes, I'm calling you from near Parrish, Texas.
unidentified		I live out in the woods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I pick you up through KLIF, Al Dallas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dallas, yes.
unidentified		Go ahead.
unidentified		I've got the perfect solution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listening.
unidentified		Okay, if all America, everybody in America, would take a day off from work, say, like on a Wednesday or something, everybody in America, and the employers were to pay them for taking off of work, that way they would show up.
		Everybody would pray to God and repent of what we have done to him, how we betrayed him.
		And I think we'd be back under his umbrella, his protection, and he would solve our problems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that must mean then that you think that the reason that we have this war and terrorism in America right now is because we have betrayed God.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		All right, sir.
		Well, I appreciate the call and the thought.
		And I suppose it's worth the thought.
		In other words, we're in bad stead right now with the big guy.
		And we need to get on the right side.
		And when we do, things will start going right.
		That's his suggestion.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Derek in San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Derek.
unidentified		I've got the perfect out-of-the-box solution that will make everybody in the world happy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty good, aren't you?
unidentified		Okay, well it is.
		Listen, okay.
		What we do, now the Islamic fundamentalists want America out of the Middle East, so basically so they can attack Israel.
		That's what they want.
		They want to get Israel out of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would be certainly the result.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If we abandon Israel, they would attack us.
unidentified		Okay, so then let's back off and let's let the battle of Ezekiel 38 happen.
unidentified		We tell the Arabs we are going to back off and we let them and Russia, like it's predicted, let them go in there and let God take care of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let God sort it out, huh?
unidentified		Because, I mean, and this will prove to the world once and for all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell the Israelis, you guys are on your own.
		Tell the Arabs, now's the time.
		Yeah, there is the place.
		Go for it, guys.
unidentified		Yeah, we tell them that, and then we tell Israel, look, we're not abandoning you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aren't you worried about the possibility of, with such a radical thing for us to do, aren't you worried about Armageddon?
unidentified		No, no, because the battle of Ezekiel 38 is not Armageddon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but how do you know which battle you'd spark?
unidentified		Well, the point is...
unidentified		Well, listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could be the end of everything.
unidentified		We could just know.
		We let them go.
		Because, look, we tell the Arabs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Israel has big atomic weapons.
unidentified		Yeah, but okay, if they're going to use them, let them use them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But then there's the Islamic bomb, too.
unidentified		Okay, but look, according to the Bible, God is going to protect Israel, and he will use his own hand to defend Israel if he has to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But not the American hand.
		I think I get the idea, sir.
		Abandon Israel.
		Tell them that's it.
		We're done.
		No more money, no more help, no more arms.
		You're on your own.
		Then tell the Arab world.
		Now is the time.
		Have at it.
		Well, I want it out of the box.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		This is John in Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, John.
unidentified		This is, I know that you probably want a more militaristic solution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not necessarily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
unidentified		Well, if you look at, what do you think the most powerful part of bin Laden's whole terror campaign is?
unidentified		I mean, if you were just thinking in your own, what do you think the most powerful part, why is he so powerful?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an interesting question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, because terror is, a fear is a powerful tool.
unidentified		Well, right, it is.
unidentified		But how is he able to bring that about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, by crashing into buildings and sending anthrax, maybe.
unidentified		Okay, but I'm sorry.
		I mean, a little bit more basic than that.
		How is he able to get the people to kill themselves?
		In other words, how does he motivate his terrorists?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By telling them that they will go directly to paradise without go, where there might be 70 virgins or some such.
unidentified		Right, right, and all of the different things we've heard.
		Now, I guess what I'm thinking about here is, you know, it's kind of like as opposed to treating the disease, which unfortunately when we're just trying to bomb and trying to find him in the middle of those mountains, that's almost like what we're doing.
		I mean, we're treating the symptoms and not the disease.
		What if we really seriously sit down with Muslim clerics throughout the world and we get the Pope or whoever, you know, the different religious leaders to sit down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And honestly, the United States isn't perfect.
		We have made mistakes with the people we've backed in the past and some people hate us for it.
		I still doesn't justify anything that's been done.
		I don't mean that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what, sir?
		I think you're on to something.
		I think I get it.
		You want the top leaders of the religions, which basically are the biggest part of the war, to sit down and have a talk.
		That's not half bad.
		That's not bad, sir.
unidentified		Okay, but there's one other thing about it.
		Very quickly.
		Okay, we'll find out if really Islam is truly against this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I understand.
		All right, I've got it.
		I've got to go also.
		Listen, he's on to a good one there.
		That would be a kind of backdoor way to perhaps really get the job done, wouldn't it?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I tell you, I think my last caller was really on to something.
		Now, from my point of view, this is something you would want to do after you killed Bin Laden and company.
		But at that point, it might be a really good idea to have a virtual summit, a real summit between Islam and Christianity and try and settle the differences so that we can work together in the future in the world without having an all-out war.
		now sounds like a really really really good idea first a triple a idea tonight and definitely worthy because that's what seems to cause all these wars right religion so if they could get together it might be nice backdoor way to do it anyway and put the religion out front of the politicians for a change and they might come up with something that hasn't been come up with nobody's come up with before that's a really
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell All right, the challenge to all out there this night is think out of the box.
		How do we win this war?
		Again, that guy really, really had a good suggestion.
		Line one, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Arkansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Arkansas, okay.
unidentified		Listen in KARN.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Little Rock, K-A-R-N.
unidentified		Right.
		Okay.
		My idea involves your show, and it's kind of like with the shadow people, is you never know unless you ask.
		I think that you should open up a hotline for people who have powers beyond that of the normal human.
		You know, sort of like superpowers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I guess we could sift through your millions of listeners until we find at least one individual with viable superpowers that we could use to defeat bin Laden or at least protect ourselves civilly.
unidentified		It's not a really, you know, it's, you know, I was thinking out of the box.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, no, what would you, let's assume this person exists and that we could find him or her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you have them do?
unidentified		Well, I guess it would depend on what they were able to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you have them do?
unidentified		Well, for one thing, we could help them protect people on the front lines in Afghanistan.
		Or, say, if there were another, you know, similar terrorist attack, anyone who could fly or have super strength or anything like that could have, you know, helped to at least prevent some of the things that happened.
		And, you know, it's not the most serious suggestion you've heard all night, but, you know, I thought it was an idea that it would at least make an interesting show topic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It will certainly encourage many volunteers, I can tell you that.
unidentified		That would be interesting to see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		Yes, many volunteers.
		Many will say that they have the power to do this or that, but then again, you could argue, well, if they do, then why aren't they doing it now?
		Well, maybe they don't want to use their power for that.
		So, I don't know.
		There may be people walking around like that out there.
		If a human being had a truly superior, important power, the odds are, you know, they would not tell other human beings about it.
		Because surely somebody would then want to dissect them and find out exactly why they can do what they can do, or worse yet, even kill them because of envy or, you know, whatever.
		Wild Hardline, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello?
		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Stu from Reno, Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Listening to KKOH?
		Right.
		My idea?
		Seems that bin Laden and group is using weapons of mass destruction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Flying planes in the buildings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Nuke them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nuke them.
unidentified		I seriously think that that's what needs to be done.
unidentified		our American people, our fellow Americans, are dying over here because of anthrax.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the planes into the buildings, 5,000, that's big-time mass.
unidentified		I mean, all these theories that your callers have called in with are great and all.
unidentified		But in the meantime, people are dying and getting infected with anthrax.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, who precisely would you nuke?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, narrow it down just a little.
unidentified		Well, if you want to narrow it down, I'd start with Afghanistan.
		And definitely, I think, possibility of Iraq, without a doubt.
		You know, and I think we should have started thinking about this a long time ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well.
unidentified		Especially, you know, I mean, this started a while ago.
unidentified		This isn't the first incident that bin Laden and group.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, oh, no.
		Many, many, many...
		Exactly.
		And we can know for sure there will be more but new games.
unidentified		And I just feel like you know how far does it have to go?
unidentified		I mean how close does it have to get to your backyard before you know people finally realize that you know we need to do something and do it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Apparently it's close enough to Europe.
unidentified		I mean our nobody's taking flights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you could for example personally give the order to Nuke Kabul and any other city of size in Afghanistan virtually wiping out the whole country.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Well that's very clear.
		Thank you.
		That's the second Nukem idea.
		Now that one not quite as all-encompassing as the first, which would be to nuke all the countries even suspected.
		It would certainly have a quarterizing effect.
		However, we might be looked at in the world as perhaps overreacting to use thermonuclear devices and just take everybody out.
		I don't think they're going to do that, but I mean, you can suggest it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi there, Art.
		Hello.
		As I suggested during your break, I think it would be really productive for your network to look over the list of guests that you've had over the years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guests?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And since you've had everybody on from a scientist to an Evelyn Paguini, I think it would be very productive to get them together either by phone, video conferencing, or whatever, because you've had on some very brilliant people.
		And I think our country has a lot of resources.
		And as one of your resources, if you could pull a bunch of people together who would like to participate, perhaps they can bang a few ideas off the wall for a few hours and then submit it to, I don't know, the White House, the FBI, or the CIA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But basically, you would like to unleash my most effective, vicious guests.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I've had some real winners against them.
unidentified		Not necessarily.
unidentified		I'm talking about inventiveness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I've got that.
unidentified		I've got that.
		Right.
		And some of these people that you've had on are, let's face it, they're out of the box, a lot of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, listen, Evelyn Tyglini alone would probably raise the turban right off their heads.
unidentified		Yes, but I'm also thinking on the other end, too, you've had a lot of religious leaders.
		You've had scientists who are very inventive.
		Oh, there's just so many people, and I've listened to you for about 10 years more.
		And I think perhaps even, you know, just to get some people together to get something that would work, because obviously the government is looking for people who have some ideas, and perhaps some of the scientists that you've had on would have some ideas about what I've got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Basically unleashing my guests, which would be, in some cases, a truly cruel event indeed upon those who did us dirty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		You know, you have to tell me if this is feasible.
		I'm calling from Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it's feasible?
unidentified		Yeah, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Calling from Alaska is obviously feasible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here you are.
unidentified		Here you are.
unidentified		No, but see, I don't know how many people are in North Afghanistan still.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, quite a number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The opposition is up there.
unidentified		Okay, well, this is my idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You take all the women and children and the people that are hospitalized.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And check that there are no Talibans in there or Osama's not there.
unidentified		You get them over the border into Pakistan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Then you take American troops just in North Afghanistan.
		Don't bother with the rest of it yet.
		Then you take troops and you get all the men together.
		Somehow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In northern Afghanistan?
unidentified		In northern Afghanistan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, all the men together, yes.
unidentified		Get all the men together that are left there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And you find out, then you get them over the border to Pakistan.
		And you put them in prison.
		And you take the time to find out who's Taliban and who isn't.
		Then you go back to Afghanistan.
		So now northern Afghanistan's cleared out.
		There's nothing there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's empty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody's in the pokey.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Now you drop leaflets for anybody that's left in the rest of Afghanistan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would they say, basically?
unidentified		If there's any women and children left to go over the border, they'll only be allowed over the border to North Afghanistan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Okay, then you check those out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And whatever's left, you just bomb the whole rest of the...
		Just keep bombing the mountains, everything.
		If anything...
		No, carpet bombing.
		Carpet bombing.
		Just tons of it.
		And even if they're in the caves, they'll get buried in the caves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		So you just bury them.
unidentified		We have time to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and we have lots of B-52s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're really good at that.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		But meanwhile, you have to sift through what's in North Afghanistan to make sure that we're not saving any Taliban.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I think I've got it.
		You clear everybody out, the opposition, the men, women, children, all of them.
		Then you get the women and children from the rest of Afghanistan out of where they are and up to northern Afghanistan and basically bomb everybody else.
unidentified		Correct.
		Just wipe the rest of it all out and then have that summit meeting with the religious leaders.
		I like that idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Take care.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Leaving only the men.
		Well, that's the protocol generally on a sinking ship, right?
		So don't you think that the men in the rest of Afghanistan would know that their ship is about to metaphorically sink?
		First time, color line, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, sir.
		Yes.
		Some people may think this idea might be a little cruel and humane, but every day across the United States we euthanize a bunch of dogs and other small animals in our humane shelters.
		Yes, we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sadly.
unidentified		I was just thinking if we could put them to use to our country somehow, rather than euthanizing them, possibly sending them over there with satchel charges on them, letting them search out the caves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		So we send domestic animals like dogs and cats, right?
		Correct.
unidentified		I'm a dog lover, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I've got it.
		Burdened with large amounts of satchel explosive, high explosive charges.
		It have to be very high explosive charges.
		And then I suppose we drop these animals, and they want to get out of the weather.
		Winter's coming in Afghanistan, and so they would run into the caves where they would then blow up.
unidentified		Well, more or less, and some type of triggering device where if they're shot once they stop breathing or whatever, it's not a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you blow them up all at once, or would you track them individually, and then once each dog or cat got into a cave, blow them up then?
unidentified		Well, just some type of triggering device, because I imagine once they got in a cave, the Taliban or whatever would try and dispose of the animals, and if that triggering device was detonated upon their demise, it would take care of it then, or when the satchel charge removed from their body, would detonate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We could call it You need a name for an operation like that.
unidentified		You could call it Woof, woof, woof, woof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bow, wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you going to get this past the ASPCA, just out of curiosity?
unidentified		Well, we send our human beings over there.
		And being retired military myself, they'd take me back.
		I'd go in a heartbeat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you wear a satchel charge?
unidentified		If that was the only way to bring freedom and it came down to that, you would blow up for freedom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had to.
unidentified		If I got in an airplane or if I was standing on the lines with a gun in my hand, it comes down to me or them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		I appreciate the call, and it does make a mental picture.
		Parachuting thousands of satchel-charged dogs and cats into Afghanistan.
		Where they would seek shelter from the weather, very likely in caves, and where you could then by remote control, perhaps by satellite, you could certainly do it that way, blow up these little doggies and kitties and, presumably, terrorists at the same time.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is Ron from Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Ron.
unidentified		I've got a feeling, I think, how it's going to go down.
		First of all, winter is coming.
		Yes, sir.
		And usually it's about zero degrees over there.
		Now, caves are a natural heat vent.
		Caves have a temperature of around 70 degrees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not quite that high.
		I think caves will get you in the high 50s, but it'll do that winter or summer.
		Which is why I suppose they're favored there.
unidentified		If all these Taliban are in the caves and they light a fire to keep warm, I think what we're going to use is the heat-sensitive and infrared technology that we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, listen, you're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard that.
unidentified		Knock them off like light bulbs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A general, you know, they were saying, well, winter's coming and you can't really conduct operations.
		The general said, oh, contraire.
		And one of the things that he pointed out was exactly what you just said, that they can use all of their heat sensing equipment in the winter, and it's incredibly effective then.
unidentified		Well, I think that's the way it's going to go down.
		And this is a real war, and we've got billions of dollars worth of technology over there, and this is for real.
		And I think, you know, all the other ideas are, you know, sort of not really with it, and this is the way it's going to go down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't go for the dogs with charges?
unidentified		No, I don't think that's the way it's going to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The little kiddies?
unidentified		No, I think our technology is a little bit more sophisticated than that.
		Oh, good.
		But I'm glad to get through.
		This is my first time calling, and I appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you, and thank you for calling.
		No, he's right.
		In fact, that's how right he is.
		I saw a general saying exactly that.
		We don't fear the winter with regard to the war.
		In fact, it will enhance our abilities in many ways.
		We have incredible heat sensing equipment.
		I know.
		I've worked with some of it.
		I've played with some of it.
		I got in a Blackhawk and played with some of it, and I can tell you, it's incredible what they...
		In other words, when you see a plane taking off, or you see a human being at a very great distance with heat-sensing equipment, and I saw what a blackhawk could do.
		I sat there and played with it.
unidentified		It's the next thing to a picture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It just about is a picture.
		It's that sensitive.
		And so it could be a very, very rough winter for the terrorists if they're hiding in caves, because you've got to come out of a cave every now and then.
		And if we had a lot of heat fencing equipment when they came out, we would find them.
		So our military does not exactly fear the winter.
		In some ways, they look forward to it, and this caller is exactly right.
		But that's how you might root them out.
		That's one of the things they wanted to know.
		Think out of the box.
		That's your challenge tonight.
		How do we win the war?
		And if you want to get way out of the box, some of you already have, that's what we want.
		This is Coast to Coast AM from the High Desert.
		I'm Art Bell.
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		Tonight, an on-course presentation of Coast to Coast AM from October 26th, 2001.
		And from the beyond, turn the dark news.
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		But now that you got away, we could go over tonight.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is positive music for you.
		Think out of the box.
		That's your job tonight.
		The Pentagon even wants you to do it.
		and tell us all, how do we win this war?
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		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from October 26, 2001.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Out of the box thinking continues.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is John, Peoria, Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
unidentified		Not too bad, yourself?
		I've got a Well, give it to us as briefly as possible.
		Okay.
		The new genetic research on how to create cures for some diseases by manipulating the genes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Osama's got, what, 52 kids or something like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear he's very prolific, yes.
unidentified		I say is we abscond with one of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take one of his kids.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		And get a sample of the DNA from the child.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And while we're, you know, the caves and stuff, get a start picking up the trace evidence there and use DNA to find out which one matches the part of the kid.
unidentified		And then just figure out a way to get a simple or one disease just to attack that one person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, all right.
		So capture one of his offspring, do a DNA test, and then target a disease against a specific DNA trait.
		That is pretty cold stuff, sir.
unidentified		Well, I mean, we got to do something.
unidentified		He's kind of cold to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if DNA is in fact...
		So.
		Brilliant.
		Absolutely brilliant, my friend.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Not a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		That's a pretty good one, actually.
		He's not talking about killing the child.
		He's talking about discovering the specific trait or some specific DNA trait to Osama bin Laden, and then dispatching a disease with that specific trait.
		Wow.
		Wow.
		Wow, Cardaline, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Karen in Houston.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Karen.
unidentified		Well, I like the idea of the summit.
unidentified		I think since this is a religious war and everybody's debating, you know, who's going to dominate the thousand years of peace or the thousand years of war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Almost every war is religious, really.
unidentified		Yeah, so going to the root of it all, I think we need to have that summit where they discuss the whole of the earth is holy ground and that no one has a right to partition off any little piece and say this is holier than.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm really kind of for that idea myself, but only after we dispatch those immediately responsible for what happened.
unidentified		Well, I think the greatest dispatching would happen when we understand there's no conflict in divine mind, and I think that would obliterate all that needs to be gone pretty quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just cannot rid myself of that part of my mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want revenge.
unidentified		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then, and then the summit.
		But that's the only difference between us.
		The summit is a good idea either way.
unidentified		Yeah, I think so, because there's so much in every religion that is the same.
unidentified		And I think ultimately when you really simplify with all the heads of state and religion, there's one great person that's really considered the one divine God and not just little bitty aspects of the divine, you know, and all the different, I don't know, statuary and in the long run, honey, we are not going to beat a religion the way we beat communism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not going to happen.
unidentified		It's a different war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So some kind of meeting of the minds at some point, and that's where we disagree, I think is critical.
		So yes, thank you very much.
		I agree 100%.
		We ran communism out of money.
		Our system just clobbered theirs in every way possible until they finally threw up their hands and took down that wall.
		You're not going to do that with a religion, particularly a growing, strong religion like Islam.
		You're just not going to do it.
		So some sort of summit at some point, again, for me it would be after we dispatch to their maker those who have done this.
		But then at that point, not a bad idea, really.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Eric from Potomac, listening on TNT, the nation's capital.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, WTNT.
unidentified		And I think we should go ahead and diplomatically recognize Afghanistan as a new Palestinian state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Install Eric that, let him go in there, and in some ways, what you are suggesting is not so outrageous.
		After all, the Palestinians need a state.
		That's a state that's some ways away, which the Israelis would like.
		The Talibans probably, their days are just about numbered anyway.
		Plus, on top of all that, they claim they want a homeland for the Palestinians.
		So why not there?
unidentified		And if you still want retribution, I mean, let Arafat round up all the Talibans and play Yoko Ono's greatest hits until they capitulate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just sending Arafat alone is retribution.
		Not quite sufficient in my eyes, but they'd take a beating.
		I appreciate the call.
		Actually, his idea is not bad at all.
		Not bad at all.
		You know what they say about two birds with one stone, right?
		I would certainly do that.
		Say, not only is the Taliban out, but the Palestinians are in.
		And they could immigrate from all over the world, including those that surround Israel right now.
		Much in the way Israel had a created nation and had and still has, for that matter, immigration from all over the world.
		Pretty good idea.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
		West of the Rockies?
		Yes.
		That's me.
		I'm Willow.
		I'm in Southern California.
		Hey, Willow.
		Hey, Art.
		I've been thinking and thinking how to say this without getting you to be just bored and hang up on me.
		There is...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		If you have a dark room, you can't change the darkness by putting more darkness in there.
		You have to turn on a light.
		And I think that...
		No, I'm talking about when it says, love thine enemies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
unidentified		Well, every time you're on the air, you have the same power that you have when we all concentrate on something because you're putting ideas out there to all these people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all I've got, though, is the power of ideas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not any small matter, but, you know, that's all.
unidentified		But if all of us sent love into the evil, it might do the hundredth monkey thing and turn on the light.
		And that's when the love would take over, and that's the only way.
		I don't think you overcome violence by more violence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I am registering your idea almost without comments.
		I just that's not me.
		That's just not me.
		Me, I'd be more likely to write some nasty little phrase on a bomb that would be dropped, and I understand that our people have been doing that over there, by the way.
		You know, this one's for George, that kind of thing.
		But I'll try.
		I'm really going to try and not be too judgmental here.
		But the sending of love, you know, the people have just killed 5,000 of our citizens.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, this is Jeff from Peoria.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jeff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's Peoria?
unidentified		Oh, it's pretty great.
		Good.
		Kind of an island of peace in this storm we're in, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So far.
unidentified		Well, my idea is that we use CGI and create an artificial message with a fake bin Laden in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do want to say something to you.
		Yeah?
		You actually, in a lot of ways, Peoria would be a target.
		You know, it really would, because even the terrorists probably know.
		They know a lot about America.
		I mean, they've had people over here training and stuff, right?
		So they've heard does it play in Peoria.
		They've heard that.
		They've heard that phrase.
		And so they've got to know that if they were to hit something as, you know, apple pie and mother and so forth as Peoria, that they would really affect the psyche of all Americans, and they would.
		So I wouldn't.
		I mean, for now, you're an island of peace, but it would be a stab to the heart of the heartland.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So even Peoria is not, you know, you're at risk with the rest of us right now.
unidentified		Oh, I didn't mean to imply that we weren't in with the rest of everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you are, momentarily, at least, an island of peace, no question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what would you do?
unidentified		Well, it just seems to me a megalomaniac would hate to see control slip away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Like if you did a wag the dog thing and put an artificial bin Laden in a video or have him give out a message, then that would kind of flush out the real bin Laden.
unidentified		You know, he would have to make some contact in order to refute whatever was put out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe we could put Al Jazeera's transmitters back together and broadcast a message from our fake bin Laden.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not a half-bad idea.
unidentified		Yeah, we just have to flush him out somehow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get him to our opinion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you have the message be, just out of curiosity?
unidentified		Well, it would have to be something that would be plausible to the Arab world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Maybe something saying, hey, the bin Laden that's in Afghanistan is a fate put in there by the CIA, you know, to create an artificial war between the Muslims and the Christians.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, wait a minute.
		You can think past that one.
		Why not go for something really good?
		Get an exact, I mean, our government could do this, an exact bin Laden.
		Just put him, you know, prop him up.
		We've got lots of Hollywood people.
		We put a cave there, and we, you know, we also make up somebody to look like his exact lieutenant sitting by his side, as we always see him when he's broadcast, and have him say, look, the bombing is horrible.
		We are defeated.
		Lay down your arms.
		Now, that would bring the real bin Laden out real quick, wouldn't it?
unidentified		Well, he'd be getting his video camera out in seconds on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or I have had a message direct from Allah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From Allah.
unidentified		Bin Laden and his children.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lay down your arms.
		The fight, the crusade is over.
		Very good, sir.
		I like it.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		That's a good one.
		That really is a good one.
		And that really would bring Bin Laden out quick.
		Can you imagine that?
		Can you imagine how a megalomaniac, as he suggested, like Bin Laden, would react to such a message that would be indistinguishable from the real Bin Laden?
		He'd be out there.
		We'd see him with one of our satellites out there in front of a video camera protesting like crazy.
		East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Hello?
		Yes.
unidentified		Hey, I'm glad to get a hold of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad you're on.
unidentified		Hey, this is the lion of the Ohio Valley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the big one.
unidentified		Yeah, hey, listen, I think people have to wake up and smell the coffee.
		We're in a fight to the finish.
		You know, these guys want to kill our children, our wives, our parents, everybody.
		These guys aren't going to give up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But they have done so.
		They've already done it.
		They've already proven they'll do it.
		And obviously they'll do it again.
unidentified		And they will do it again.
		And what we have to do is we quickly identified these terrorists that flew the planes.
		So what we need to do is go after their family members.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And do what?
unidentified		And kill the family members.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you're not there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you talking about family members of the guys who crashed the planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon?
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I guess that would send a kind of a message.
unidentified		That would send a message to the people that are thinking about doing more terrorist activities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you know what?
		It would martyr them.
		And on top of that, the Islamic people would believe that the family members went directly to paradise.
		Okay, so it might not be effective.
unidentified		Well, there's another point to that.
		They do believe that by doing this terrorist activity, that it also ushers their family into paradise.
		However, if the weapon used to kill the family members are sprinkled with pig's blood, then that bars them from entering paradise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty cold stuff.
unidentified		Well, I mean, we're in a Cold War, and these guys are here.
unidentified		Like the one guy said, they're in our backyards, and they want to come in our doors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder how much pig's blood a cruise missile could carry.
unidentified		Well, I mean, it has to be sprinkled with pig's blood.
		You know what I'm saying?
		It basically has to be contaminated with swine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but if you put enough pig's blood in a cruise missile, when it hit, it would sprinkle miles and miles around.
unidentified		Right.
		Or, I mean, just whatever weapon is used, it has to be contaminated with pig's blood, and that would bar them from entering paradise.
		And, you know, if these family members get an idea, hey, look, this guy's getting radical.
		I think he's getting into this where he may become a terrorist.
		This will put family pressure on these guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do honestly wonder how they would react to something like that, because it's certainly fighting dirty, but in understanding what they are afraid of and what would cause psychological stress to them as they have caused to us, that's not bad in the scheme of things.
unidentified		Yeah, we have to, instead of being the hunted, we have to become the hunters and turn, you know, turn the family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you know what a lot of people would say about killing the families of people who did this, how unjust that would be.
unidentified		That goes back to, remember Sergeant York in World War I, he objected to killing people, but in the end, he did kill a few to save the many.
unidentified		So basically, I think that would, by killing a few, it would actually save lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, if you think as they do, which was your job tonight, because that's the most effective way to do this, you're right on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Cruise missiles with big explosive for the family members of those who ran into the World Trade Towers, sprinkled with pig's blood, so they will not go to paradise, which is what we believe they believe.
		Would it be so wrong to, to in effect, psychologically torture them as they are psychologically torturing us?
		I understand what a lot of you would say about killing family members.
		The Russians did it.
		It's the kind of thing we don't do.
		But you can't deny it might be effective.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, this is Orland from Fraser Park Southern California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Orland.
unidentified		I suggest using as the food as a weapon.
		Food?
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're dropping, as you know, we're dropping large amounts of food to the refugees.
unidentified		What we do is we take Paraquat or Agent Orange or 24D or 245T or whatever defoliant of the day you want to use.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you understand they're already starving to death over there.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you want to finish it off.
unidentified		I want to tighten the noose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, just plain stop the food.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when their bellies are growling loud enough, they'll come to the peace table.
unidentified		Napoleon said our army travels on the stomach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're absolutely right about that.
		I mean, this is really radical, but of course you're right.
		You know what the trouble with that is?
		The Taliban, the rulers, and the terrorists would eat until the very end, and everybody else in Afghanistan would die first.
unidentified		Well, the families and the non-combatants would do their best to get out, and they would go to the Northern Alliance area or Pakistan or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, make the country so damn uninhabitable that everybody except the very worst of them would leave.
unidentified		That's right.
		That's exactly it.
		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That has merit.
unidentified		As the refugees came across, where you could weed the Taliban out, and that would be a short-term solution, and the long-term would be you put all of these in refugee camps.
		We're feeding them anyway.
		So we put a thing on there where you want a ration of food, you're going to go to school.
		And we give them a comprehensive education and show them what the rest of the world is like.
		Change their attitude and their mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the idea has merit, actually.
		It really does.
		I mean, you're right.
		If you don't have food, you're facing a very serious situation very quickly.
		All right, sir.
		Thank you.
		Okay, another good one.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M., roaring through the night on a Friday night, Saturday morning, looking for ideas.
		Way out of the box, ideas, we're getting them.
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		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from October 26, 2001.
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		Good morning.
		We're thinking outside the box all night long tonight, and we await your idea.
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		And now we take you back to the night of October 26th, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back into the night of ideas we go, asking you to think outside the box, the question, the challenge is to think outside the box and come up with a way, perhaps unconventional way, that we win this war.
		And even the Pentagon has said in an article a couple of days After I had this idea, or my guest did, or however we got it, that they want you to think outside the box.
		Come up with what might be a crazy idea, and they just might implement it, cutting through all the red tape and getting it done very quickly.
		They are prepared to do, well, obviously, they see the way it's going to go.
		If we have to proceed conventionally, it's going to cost lives.
		If we can come up with a really good idea to get the job done quickly with little loss of life, they're all for it, and I'm glad to hear it.
		Here we go.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, this is James in Largo, Florida, outside of Tampa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, James.
unidentified		I've had this idea for about an hour now, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A whole hour.
unidentified		About an hour, yeah.
unidentified		Now, you know how the government has is rumored to have aircraft clothing technology, like the Aurora Project?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, they do, yes.
unidentified		Well, it's a rumor.
unidentified		Oh, I think it's theoretically impossible to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a safe bet, actually.
unidentified		I'm just giving kind of a background for what I'm going to say here.
unidentified		Okay, what if we use a satellite or something of the sort to kind of project like a translucency or a deity in the general vicinity of where the Taliban or al-Qaeda members of Osama bin Laden are suspected to be residing in?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like Allah, yeah.
unidentified		Something like Star Trek 5 if you've seen that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Okay.
		And so we have it direct them to a certain location of our choosing, like a Kandahar or Kabul.
		And once they're there to instruct them, to instruct the Al-Qaeda network or the Taliban, both, the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.
		Just in a general sense, you say if they didn't see it, they would catch word of it from the natives, the locals.
		And it would direct them to a given location like Kandahar or Kabul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In order to receive direct instructions from Allah.
unidentified		Yes.
		Yes.
		You know, if there's an important message, it's an imperative that you meet me at this location and I'll have a message for you.
		It's a dawah, right?
		I got you.
		Yeah.
		And once they're there, we wipe them out with maybe also using a satellite, I think you were talking about that a few days ago, or just a cruise missile, something like that.
		And that would also send a message to the rest of the area.
		It's not there.
		The question of what you're doing wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't you think, though, that they would be asking themselves, this is some kind of Western technological trick?
unidentified		Maybe, but they're also closed off from a lot of the media outlets.
		So they're really, I think, what is it, 70% of them are illiterate.
		So maybe they wouldn't, maybe they wouldn't.
		I guess it would depend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's really a good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And even if you didn't get all of them, you might get a healthy percentage of them.
unidentified		Yeah, I think they would really respond to it, perhaps.
		I mean, if they saw something in the sky, like in the clouds, and it looked like a lot of spaced, I mean, they'd be petrified.
		I think they would take heed to it and they would obey it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could get my announcer.
unidentified		Oh, I'm not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you could get my announcer, Ross Mitchell, to instruct them, he could just speak without accident.
unidentified		Always meet me at Kandahar.
unidentified		I have a great message for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly right, sir.
unidentified		Can I say one more thing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		I have a message for all the peace-making hippie throwbacks about the violence.
		Now, we didn't meet violence with violence in the past when we had these attacks taken upon us.
		And that's what I believe led to September 11th because they have no respect for us.
		There's a saying, fear is respect, and they don't have respect for us because they do not fear us.
		We haven't responded the way we should have in the past.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you're going in your right.
		I've got it.
		I've got it, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		We should instill fear in them.
		I really don't have a problem with that.
		They are certainly doing that with us, aren't they?
		They are terrorizing us.
		And so I am not beyond terrorizing them.
		I would rather restrict my terror to those responsible or those extremists, but the right kind of message in the sky would go directly to that group because they're the ones who would grasp it, right?
		It's Allah.
		Look at him.
		He's in the sky.
		Maybe.
		Wildcardline, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Are you talking to me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am talking to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Minneapolis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your name is?
unidentified		Janet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Janet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what sort of idea do you have, Janet?
unidentified		Well, I think that we need to look at the actual source and cause of the war and address that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Say that again, please.
unidentified		We need to address the cause of the war.
unidentified		The reason for the war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What if the reason is just basically that Osama bin Laden and company want us dead?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What if it turns out that's the reason?
unidentified		That is not the reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		We are after power and control of their oil.
unidentified		It's their oil, and we're over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're buying it from them.
unidentified		Well, we're trying to get power over it so we can have it under our own conditions for that country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we need the oil.
unidentified		Well, that's what I'm calling about.
		You haven't had Stephen Greer on your program for a while.
		Yeah, that's true.
		He has access to information about free energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sorry to tell you this, my dear, but you're wrong.
		Stephen Greer came on and announced to the world, indeed, that he had and would announce to the world this thing about free energy.
		But he didn't do it.
		He was personally disappointed and led astray.
		Now, you didn't know that, I guess, huh?
		I'm sorry, as far as I know, there is no free energy.
		Stephen Greer honestly thought he was onto something really, really big.
		But like all these free energy things, it evaporated into free air.
unidentified		So we still need the oil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry about that.
		That one won't work.
		As I was saying the other day, I know a lot of people could say, well, let's settle what they want.
		They want us out of Saudi Arabia and other oil-producing countries, right?
		And I say, on the one hand, we need the oil.
		So put all the oil in one hand over here on the right, and on the left, put the life of Osama bin Laden and others.
		And weigh the two.
		Our need for oil, Osama's life.
		Our need for oil, Osama's life.
		Which hand becomes heavier to you?
		On the international line, you are on the air.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Sydney, Australia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sydney, wonderful to have you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, turn your computer or whatever you have.
unidentified		It must be a computer off, please.
		Actually, I'm ringing because that last lady had just mentioned that you hadn't had a guest on for a long time.
		And it's slightly off track, but on the same track as well.
		My father, Joseph D. Louise.
		I don't know if you'll remember him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do, yes.
unidentified		Well, you had him on probably a year and a half or more ago.
		And when he was on, I don't know if you realized art, but he actually did predict that the White House was going to be bombed, and he said it would miss.
		And you said, oh, my God, that can't be true.
		And, you know, he was telling me that all the psychics and everybody over there keep saying nobody's predicted any of this would have happened.
		And I decided I'd ring it.
		I think my dad had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the White House, though, of course, was not bombed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, did he?
unidentified		But he did say that they would miss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But did he predict they would hit the World Trade Centers or the Pentagon?
unidentified		He's not God.
unidentified		But that was pretty good, actually, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not bad.
unidentified		Listen to the tape.
unidentified		January 12, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will do that.
unidentified		And also, as long as I have you, me and my husband actually think Osama bin Laden is in Fiji.
		Fiji?
		Right, he's not even in Afghanistan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fiji?
unidentified		Fiji.
		That's our hunch.
		In fact, I even called the FBI and told them that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
		Yes.
		Wait, wait, wait.
		Let's try and get to the bottom of this.
		Why do you think he's in Fiji?
unidentified		Well, because he was on an airplane.
		We were over there.
		This is God, I'm thinking, about one week before the 11th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And they sat right across from us.
unidentified		And my husband said to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excuse me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who sat right across?
unidentified		These people that we think were bin Laden and his wife and a kid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think you were on a plane with Bin Laden and his family?
unidentified		I found you as crazy as everyone else that calls now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you were in Fiji.
unidentified		It was the plane from Sydney to Fiji.
		And they were sitting right across from us.
		And I mean, you could tell they were very wealthy people.
		She had all these jewels in her hair clip.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, surely you have seen pictures of bin Laden.
unidentified		Yes, we have, and he looked like him.
		He was dressed like it and everything.
		And the funniest thing is you see absolutely no Middle Eastern people at all over there.
		I mean, so even if they, it was so out of place.
		And, you know, the kid was dressed Western, but they were dressed very well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't suppose you got any photographs, did you?
unidentified		Oh, no.
		But I did, like I said, I called the FBI.
		But, you know, who knows?
		Well, they were rather interested.
		And, you know, they took the information and the flight number and the dates and all of that.
		You know, it is kind of if you wanted to do something terrible like he did, you know, best to leave and go someplace completely different.
		And who would ever think Fiji?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're right.
		I mean, who would?
		Not me.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Somebody actually called the FBI with a tip that they had flown with bin Laden and family to Fiji.
		That would be something, wouldn't it?
		The Taliban, of course, is still saying that he's alive and in Afghanistan.
		And I believe that we have officially said that he's in Afghanistan.
		But who's to really say?
		He could have been on that flight to Fiji.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, I have an idea that actually came from one of your earlier callers, the one who wanted to use the dogs with the explosives on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exploding dogs and cats, I might add.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		Mark.
unidentified		I'm calling from Austin, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Mark.
unidentified		Well, I don't believe in exploding dogs, but I was thinking that you know how they use dogs to sniff luggage and trucks nowadays?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		Well, we could train dogs to sniff out explosives and gunpowder, and then we could give them to the soldiers for use in the caves.
		It would help isolate out where the Taliban are.
		And with that, we could bypass a lot of the normal citizens and get right to the Taliban.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're not going for bow wow boom, but bow wow sniffing for explosives.
unidentified		You like that?
unidentified		Like how police dogs and airport security dogs do nowadays.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		I don't see why.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you've been to an airport where you've had a dog search your luggage, right?
unidentified		Yes, I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I think most of us have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They've got to get pretty close to the luggage before they can detect the scent.
unidentified		The explosives, yes, but you could also do it to have them hunt out specific people, and for that all you'd need is like, you know, get an article of their clothing or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what about the theory that if we can get close enough to get an article of their clothing, we can snuff them?
unidentified		That's true.
		Okay.
		Also, I had a question for you really quick, if you don't mind.
		Sure.
		Earlier this week, you mentioned something about hearing a sound on the ham radio, like a beeping sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, not a beeping sound, sir, like sweeping radar.
		Not just like it.
		In fact, I believe it is sweeping radar, and it's being heard from 2 megahertz, or was, through 16 megahertz.
		A number of people have said, oh, well, maybe it's the AWAX planes, the UN AWAX planes that are now over America.
		But I don't think so.
		Radar is not used on those frequencies, or at least it never has been.
		So I don't know what the hell's going on.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, thank you very much.
		Thank you for taking my call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		It is downright weird.
		From about 2 to 16 megahertz, or maybe even higher, there is a broad radar sweep going on.
		It's really, really, really weird.
		I'm sure it's militarily related in some way, but I would love to know what it is.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		James from Peoria?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, James.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Peoria again.
unidentified		The west side of Peoria.
		Okay.
		I think that we ought to find the general area where he's at and plant three nukes around his area.
		And with as unstable as Atlanta's over there, once they come running out like ants, our aircraft could just spray the rest of them down that ain't buried.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean you would use the nukes to drive them out of the caves?
unidentified		we'd bury the nukes so that it wouldn't be an up-ground explosion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's maybe doable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they would think there was an earthquake going on.
unidentified		Oh, I'm sure it would probably make one.
unidentified		And whatever they collapse, you know, we could spray them down, just hose them down with the aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that also has some merit.
		I wonder.
		Yeah, I wonder what they do.
		If you're in a cave and a big earthquake starts, the natural thing you would do would be to get the hell out of that cave.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		And can I mention something about your music?
		Because it's cool.
		Sure.
		But Tank Floyd has an album saucer full of secrets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it's got some awesome head music on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Saucer full of secrets, as opposed to secrets about saucers.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		Hi.
		It's a real pleasure to speak to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, glad to have you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is Eric in Los Angeles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Well, I think I have an idea that you would like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen to me.
unidentified		I think it's very possible, and I also think that it may not only be the quickest way, but perhaps the only way to win this war.
		All right.
		Because I think we can't win by killing them.
		They only get angrier and more determined.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People who are dead don't get angry, at least on this side.
unidentified		Well, I think that this that when we kill them, particularly innocents, we do tend to help them enlist other fanatics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
		Okay, so in other words, you just deepen the we're going to kill 100 of you for one of us.
		Right.
unidentified		Well, that's on the one side.
		And on the other side, I also believe strongly that we don't win the war by being nice to them.
		I mean, that's obvious.
		They've already taken advantage of our vulnerability.
		So this is the idea.
		I think that what we have to do is to dismantle their cosmology, which leads them to kill with impunity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what way?
unidentified		This is what you're going to like, I think.
unidentified		With disclosure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		Disclosure.
unidentified		It's something that we have the capacity to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that we mean we could, and if necessary, we could actually fake an alien invasion.
unidentified		Well, no.
		I think that we present evidence that we have.
		We get on with it.
		And we present.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, we can't even get our own government to believe that.
unidentified		Well, this is true.
unidentified		We do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
unidentified		But I think that this was their ace in the hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about a full-scale alien invasion?
unidentified		Well, I don't think that we can do that even if we were Orson Welles.
		But I do think that it's something that the government probably won't consider.
		But when you're asking about things that are out of the box, I think that's out.
		But I also think, in a way, it's in the art bell box.
		This is an idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		what shows you have why they are bell boxes from the government's box well but it also shows uh...
		how rational dark bell boxes and how Well, I suppose we could do that, too.
		Well, we could.
		We absolutely could.
		We could make them think War of the Worlds is underway.
		That'd bring them out of their caves.
unidentified		Well, I suppose that could be a propaganda attack.
		Yeah.
		But...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I...
unidentified		And really, over time, I think this is a war that we'll take out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I like your idea, but I just don't think we could get them to believe.
		Again, we can't get our own government to believe it, right?
		But the idea, if twisted just a little bit, has serious merit.
		An alien invasion, I lack it.
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		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from October 26, 2001.
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		I'll play.
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		When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful.
		A miracle, all this was beautiful.
		And all my friends made me sing so happily.
		Oh, I believe, oh happily.
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		Because I can't go mad Oh, please, please tell me what you're here.
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		Tonight's program originally aired October 26, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't care if it's absurd.
		We want ideas.
		This is a thinking out-of-the-box exercise for everybody.
		I'm Art Bell.
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		Now we take you back to the night of October 26th, 2001, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell Well, let's see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gary in Oceanside, California Fast Blast To Me's.
		Art send in massive amounts of hookers to overcome these sexually repressed morons.
		Wildcard Line?
		No, first time caller Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good evening, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Doug from Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Doug.
unidentified		My idea is a little less humanitarian than some of the other ones, but here goes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		What I would do is, since our enemy likes the idea of becoming a suicide bomber, I'd take it and put a little bit of a twist to it.
		I would capture Taliban fighters and non-invasively plant an explosive in their body somewhere.
		Release them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Surgically implanted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
unidentified		Preferably in their head.
unidentified		Release them, let them go back underground into their rat hole and explode them later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've seen where heads blow up.
		It's terrible.
		It's in some movies.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, it would definitely freak them out if they're living in a cave there, you know, along with their pals, having a bowl of yogurt, when suddenly your buddy sitting next to you's turbine blows off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Wow, it just blows off right off.
		Yeah, you know, they'd probably consider that to be an action from Allah.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
unidentified		And even you could implant, if you wanted to get really nasty, some anthrax spores in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that would seem too earthly for one thing.
		When you blow up a person's head, it has a definite psychological effect on the person, as you point out, eating yogurt next door.
		It would probably do the trick.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		Exploding heads.
		You've got to admit, on the terror scale, exploding heads is way up there.
		Way, way up there.
		Anthrax is bad.
		Exploding heads are even worse.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Ark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, good morning, sir.
unidentified		This is Michael from Just Over the Hill in Las Vegas, Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
unidentified		I'm listening to you on 7.20 a.m.
unidentified		KDWN Talk of the West.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where I spent a full decade.
unidentified		That was your original home, wasn't it?
		Already secure.
		That's right.
		Well, I have an idea.
		It wouldn't really kill a lot of people, but I think it would bring much terror and confusion to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Effectiveness counts.
unidentified		Yeah, and I think it might be effective if we infiltrated one of their greatest weaknesses, which I think is their food supply.
unidentified		And if we wasted somehow, their food and possibly even water supply with good old-fashioned military-grade LSD.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And it would pretty much bring down their entire system.
		I think it could cause a massive collapse and their propaganda machine would disappear, their political machine.
		I don't know if we did this on a continual basis for a while, I don't see how they could mount an army.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would you be sure, though, that the right bad guys got the LSD versus the women and children that are starving over there now?
unidentified		That's the bad thing.
		Almost everybody would probably have to get it for it to be effective.
		Yeah, there would be a damage, although they would possibly live.
		And many of the other alternatives I'm hearing, the regular people aren't going to live through that.
		So it's a possibility.
		It might bring everybody out.
		Certainly, even the regular folks would possibly think thoughts that they've never thought before or were even allowed to think before.
		It might change their entire strategy or their mode of thinking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, might do that.
		All right, thank you very much.
		I don't rule that out.
		After all, they tested LSD on our own here, right?
		LSD has a very profound effect indeed on people.
		The only problem would be how you would get it in only the food going to the bad guys.
		Otherwise, most of Afghanistan would be going on one big trip.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Arthur?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Richard from Seguin, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Richard.
unidentified		How are you doing?
unidentified		Listen, you remember that movie, The Dirty Dozen with Lee Marvin, Telly Savilis?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen it many times.
unidentified		Okay.
		You know, they were in prison, military prison, but they had a chance to redeem themselves.
		Yes.
		I think we'll pull out all the defrock preachers like Jimmy Swagger, Damien, Jimmy Baker.
		I mean, and I see Louis Farrakhan was in Cassius Clay, and maybe that, what's that other guy that, Falwell to them, and send them over?
		Yeah, and let's see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's Terror, and then there's Over the Top, sir.
unidentified		Come on.
		Yeah, but I was going to say, we'll send them all to that clergy.
		That person had the other idea with a case of Tang, each one of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tang.
unidentified		Tang, and some good clear water, and let them drink it and show them how good it is.
		And tell them the next time any anthrax or any, give them 48 hours, anything, if we can get a bad toenail over here or something, we're going to fly over with some not crop dusters.
		But, you know, those flames that fight the forest fires on the west coast loaded with tang, and some of them are going to be loaded laced with freeze-died pig blood.
		And, you know, they're very afraid of...
		But put it pig blood in it.
		This lady had called into.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean Tang and pig blood?
unidentified		Yeah, but let them drink the regular.
		You know, just tell them they wouldn't know which one it was then, is what I'm saying.
		Say, if you do, you can't go to paradise.
		I'd heard on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure that Tang has a big market there, nor that they have much of a taste for Tang.
unidentified		Yeah, but I know let them see what I was trying to say.
		It could be something else.
		It could be the lynch oranges.
		Let them drink it, the clergy, so they would know how it would feel when they drank it.
		You know, pure now, not nothing with anything in it.
		But say, next time you do something to us, you know, they don't care about this life, right?
		They want to go to Allah.
		And so you say, but if you do anything to us, we're going to come over with these, like the ones that put out the forest fire, say there's some firemen that are very unhappy what y'all did to us in New York, and they're willing to come over there and fly with these, not crop dusters, but where they drop these buckets of some kind of that they could smell it and inhale it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got it.
		All right, all right.
		Thank you very much.
		I think I've got the message there.
		A tang attack.
		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		But you never know.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Tom listening to you on KEX.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Tom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Portland, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, I started off with five ideas, and now I'm down to two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're assuming your ideas have been taken?
unidentified		Yeah, my two, well, I got two ideas.
unidentified		One of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they just leave you with like the dregs or do you still have to go?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, these are pretty good.
unidentified		These are pretty good.
unidentified		Anyway, start off with a bunker buster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And take out the 10,000 pounds worth of high explosives and put sugar in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sugar?
unidentified		Yeah, and then drop these at the headwaters of their aquifers, and then put red algae in the...
unidentified		No, you get them contaminated water in their aquifer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sugar water.
unidentified		No, red algae will grow underwater.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I mean underground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're putting the sugar in there as a nutrient.
unidentified		As a nutrient.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then the red algae comes and it eats the sugar.
unidentified		And it contaminates all of their wells from the top of the headwaters all the way to the ocean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Their water would turn red.
unidentified		Would turn poisonous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And red.
unidentified		And red.
		Well, that's one idea.
		The bottom line is you're the guy that's saying...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, but the idea is that if your well goes bad, you're done.
unidentified		I mean, you can have all the food in the world, but you've got to have your two gallons of water a day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Water is absolutely critical.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And so that would drive them over the border, and that's where you've set up your schools.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would you get rid of it, though, after you were done?
unidentified		Well, it will wash out.
unidentified		But the thing is that for about three or four years, and I'm not talking about one, I'm talking about, you know, put down three or four hundred of these bunker busters, send them down 1,000 feet into the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe if we took my last caller's idea about Tang and simply turned all of their water, including their well water, into Tang, they would throw up their hands and run out.
unidentified		Well, that's possible.
		Well, the other idea is for Bush to get on the horn and bottom line say, look, Afghanistan, if we go to war with you, there will be no Afghanistan when we're done.
		We're going to give this part to Pakistan.
		We're going to give this part to Iran.
		We're going to give this part to Russia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe just holding a big meeting here with a lot of nations getting together and carving up Afghanistan.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		And basically telling them, look, you have your country now.
		Either back off and shut up, or if we're successful, either you will beat us, or there will be no Afghanistan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to get in peace to Uzbekistan.
unidentified		Yeah, we're going to tell Iran that, hey, look, this is not a holy war.
		This has never been about holy war.
		We are done and we are pissed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And the bottom line is...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you very much.
unidentified		I've got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Divide them up.
		That would be an unnerving thing, wouldn't it, to see a world body meeting to divide you up?
		When you thought you had fought for a revolution that you had won, evil as it is, women suppressing and torturing as it is, they do have it.
		It would be unnerving to see your little empire carved up, wouldn't it?
		First time calling our line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		My name is Jim.
		Yes, Tampa.
		Yes, Jim.
		I'm a ham radio operator, and my idea is let some of the American people colonize Afghanistan if they want to live with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've seen a lot of pictures Now, of Afghanistan.
		That's one country I've never been to, but I've seen a lot of pictures.
		And from what I've seen, a lot of times I don't think Americans would exactly want to go over there.
		I mean, frankly, when they show scenes of Kandahar and other areas, prior to our bombing, before we began bombing, it looked like it had been bombed already.
		So I was kind of wondering mostly what we're dropping our bombs on, short of tanks and, you know.
unidentified		Well, they say they want to move to Arizona.
unidentified		If it's like Arizona, we may want to move there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		Colonize, maybe go back to the old days, like in, what was it, the 1800s, wasn't it, when they had the land rushes and races and grabs, and you could get yourself a piece of land and a mule and whatever.
		And sort of build, maybe we could build apartments.
		The Israelis are good at doing that, building on new land.
		We could enlist the Israelis to help us, and they would simply build Afghanistan into a bedroom community.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		My name is Matt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you're on a cell phone.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And somewhat distorted, but proceed.
unidentified		Okay.
		Am I on Mel?
		Yes.
		Okay, my name is Mel.
		I'm from your groundville, New York City.
		I'm a lead madrid.
		I like your show.
		I love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, but listen, you've got a real bad connection.
unidentified		Can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, it sounds like you're shouting.
		Stop shouting.
		Can you hear me?
		That's so much better.
unidentified		Yes.
		Okay.
		My suggestion, out of the box.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Somehow the guy stole my thunder.
unidentified		But anyway, pork bellies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pork bellies.
unidentified		From the planes dropped off all over Afghanistan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I'll tell you.
		All right, sir, I thank you.
		Yes, we had that one, of course.
		Pork bellies.
		Pork bellies are a very volatile thing to jump into, right?
		A lot of people have lost or made a lot of money in pork bellies.
		And if the Defense Department decided to go with the pork belly offensive, boy, some people could make some money in the market if they knew about that one.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		I have an idea about the post office.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our post office?
unidentified		Our post office.
		Yes.
		Not our post office, our postal system.
		Yes.
		Can you imagine having to open an account with them?
		Is that an idea or what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, by God, that is an idea, sir.
		I know that people would say it's a terrible idea because it would infringe on their freedoms.
		In other words, I can hear that scream as you say that.
		However, you really honestly have got a point.
		I mean, here we've got the Postal Workers Union threatening to actually close down the mail in a couple of major cities.
		That's real serious stuff.
unidentified		Anthrax, pretty much Anthrax.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Damn right it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so registering to use the U.S. mail system.
unidentified		And having electronic ATM type deals where you put in one envelope at a time, use a card, and you're identified, and your picture is taken, and they know who you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a pretty good idea.
		That's a pretty doggone good idea.
		How'd you come up with that?
unidentified		Well, I've been listening to all your callers tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And they're all great ideas, but they're not practical.
		And I'm scared to death of anthrax, and so is everybody else.
		And it just seems to me that our first line of defense is here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, I suppose if they wanted to, they could still assume or steal somebody's identity and send their nastiness that way.
		But your idea really does have a lot of merit.
		I mean, it would make everything so traceable.
unidentified		Yeah, instead of this mailbox on the corner somewhere.
unidentified		And all those blue boxes on the street corners would have to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty interesting stuff, sir.
		I'm going to chew that one over.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		All right.
		Register to use the mail.
		Imagine he said if you had to register to use the mail.
		Huh.
		You know, some of you are amazing thinkers.
		And I understand the civil libertarians and how they're going to feel about such an idea.
		But it's not bad.
		It's really not bad.
		If this trouble with our mail system continues to worsen, that might be something somebody would embrace.
		Very, very good.
		Wow, Courtland, you're on the air.
		Hello?
		Hi, Art.
		Yes.
		Finally got you.
		Yes, you do.
		I got the butte.
		All right.
		Now, this is going to appeal to your reptilian and also your experience in radio.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And all you need, turbine generators, fuel supply, oscillator, and power amplifiers.
		Now these power amplifiers would have to put out somewhere I figured in the neighborhood of 100,000 watts.
		Yes.
		The oscillator is tuned in at about 57 cycles, 56 to 57 cycles.
		A real irritating.
		The human body resonates at that frequency.
		Yes.
		Have a directional horn, sound horned out there, and you could either turn it up, and you'll see little puffs of red goo out there in front of it, or for your peace bubba's, turn it down low enough that you could go up there and...
		Yeah.
		I see.
		And then at a lesser setting?
		Well, a lesser setting.
		You'd probably go up there and find them staring at the stars and do what you will.
		Turn them into slaves, send them around to all the hog farmers, and let them use them as workhand.
		Now, basically, you're suggesting that we microwave people.
		No.
		It is a sound deal.
		Now, I know they've experimented with it.
		The human body resonates at 57 to 56 cycles, and that's the sound that you put out.
		I've heard that that would actually cause people to get in fights, cause people to socially disintegrate, all that kind of thing.
unidentified		And explode them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, and that's the human body, too.
		There would be some that you would explode.
		They could probably even end up fighting amongst themselves.
		But you could do it through safe distance, remote control it, and as one of your listeners said, also use infrared, seek them out, get up to a cave, put that sound into the cave, no problem.
		Gotcha, sir.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have a good morning.
unidentified		You too, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If we could get bin Laden in Vegas.
unidentified		I said he's going to set my soul.
unidentified		Gonna set my soul on fire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'd get his money.
unidentified		Got a whole lot of money that's ready to burn.
unidentified		So get those stay gates up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We want ideas.
unidentified		This meeting works somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from October 26, 2001.
		Devil with another spare.
		So Beaver Law Begins.
		Beaver La Vegas.
		How I wish that there were more than the 24 hours in the day.
		Even if there were 40 more, I wouldn't sleep a minute away.
		Yeah.
		Ain't got no trouble in my life.
		No foolish dream to make me cry.
		I'm never frightened or worried.
		I know I always get by.
		I need to cool down.
		Something gets in my way overwhelming.
		Don't let life get me down.
		Gonna take it the way that I found it I got music in me I got music in me I got music in me I got music in me I got music in me I got music in me They say that life is a circle I'm
		mad in the way that I found it But I'm movin'a straight line Keepin'my feet, tell me I'm about I hit up, I go down I got words in my head so I say then Don't let life get me down Catch a hold of my rules in the straight end I got music
		in me I got music in me I got music in me I got music in me You're the feetwatch bell, somewhere in time, on Fremier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an onto a presentation of Coast to Coast AM from October 26th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You certainly have seized the idea, and you've run with it very well, I must say.
		We are thinking out of the box, something my audience obviously does very well at.
		Question is, how do we win this war?
		More in a moment.
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		We've got Robert in Houston.
		There's this lady that I've seen about four or five times in my lifetime.
		She's tall and skinny.
		She had on some tight blue jeans, some Indian moccasins.
		She had on a rainbow-striped poncho and a little flop hat.
		I saw this woman when I was about eight or nine.
		I saw her again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was living in Dallas, Texas.
unidentified		I was on the bus and she was standing outside.
		Did she look like she aged?
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And here's the crazy thing.
unidentified		About five years ago, me and two of my brothers, we all went on a cruise to St. Thomas down at the Graveyard.
		Oh, no, don't tell me.
		We got on one of these little jitney buses, and my brother, he said, see that lady over there?
		I said, we saw that lady in Jacksonville.
		Last November, my brother died.
		He had surgery.
		He had woke up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was getting ready to eat his breakfast and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he said, oh, he said, I got to get off the phone.
unidentified		He said, I got company.
		He said, you know the lady we saw down in the office in St. Thomas?
		He said, she's sitting over there in the chair.
		He said, let me talk to her, and I'll call you back.
		15 minutes later, my niece called back.
		He was dead.
		She was dead.
		She was dead.
		Great story.
		You're listening to Arc Bell, Somewhere in Time, on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from October 26, 2001.
		Music Here we go into that uncertain night once again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild Cardline, you're on the air, out of the box thinking is what I hope you're about to give us.
unidentified		Is that me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's you.
unidentified		How you doing, Ark?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I really enjoy your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in San Diego.
		Okay.
		Um, the thing that I was thinking is the simplest thing has been overlooked.
		I believe that we have to show conviction and show the people that we're right, and we have to send ground forces in.
		Obviously, nuclear, if we try to be, if we really try to determine what's going to do this, I don't believe that the nuclear is going to be the solution, although that would be the easiest for us because of the lies that it would cost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, here's something for sure.
		We know that the Taliban, the top leaders, Al-Qaeda, probably even bin Laden is with the people.
		They're mixing in in the cities with people and that's going to mean urban warfare.
		That's going to be one bad fight.
		If you've got to go in and go house to house and dig these people out, you're going to lose a lot of men.
unidentified		Very true, but at the same time, the thing that worries me the most is the message that we're sending children and the message that you send the world.
		It's unfortunate what has happened.
		I believe that we've gotten to a point where we have to say, this is what we believe.
		Not only do we feel that we're right, but we're willing to put our lives on the line to show that they were right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that is exactly what our president said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And in fact, I think that's what we're doing.
unidentified		I sure hope so.
		I mean, my only worry is, I'm 29 years old, and I would like to get involved, but I'm afraid that it'll be a Vietnam-type thing where there's a restricted warfare where you can't fly over here or you can't do that because they're worried about the media saying that they hit a Red Cross tower.
		If we put a General Patton-type leader in that area, I don't think America's going to have any problem.
		I know we're not going to have any problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, let me say this for the President.
		With the President, with Colin Powell, I don't think you're going to have any problem.
		I think that the lesson was learned in Vietnam very well indeed.
		And whatever we decide to do, it's going to be all the way.
unidentified		I definitely hope that I get worried at times because I feel like doing something, but nothing's happened, so I feel like helpless.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, remember, remember, nothing's happened that you've seen, but there's a lot going on in Afghanistan right now.
		Some pretty dark stuff, I'm sure, on our part.
		Believe me, I think we're in there doing the job.
		We'll find out later.
		It may be a decade before we really know what went on, but you can bet they're in there playing for Keeps.
unidentified		That's our hope.
unidentified		So I enjoy your show a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		And take care.
		There are things going on in Afghanistan right now that we will not know about.
		Even a decade may pass and we will not know about it.
		But we know how to play for Keeps.
		Believe me.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Eric.
		Hi.
		Hey, I hope you and your family are doing well this morning.
		Thank you.
		Before I make my suggestion, I was wondering, I sent you some snail mail the latter part of August.
		And my name is Glenn from South Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And it was a picture of a tornado demon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you share with me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think there's a high probability that your mail is in the great holding pen of mail that nobody wants to open right now.
unidentified		Oh, well, darn.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry about that.
		We were, in a way, it was really, really, really fortunate for us, and not for you certainly, but we were so backed up with mail.
		You know, we get bins and bins and bins of mail.
		And we were so backed up that when we finally decided that we're not going to open mail, we've got, oh, God, we've got a lot of mail sitting there.
		So it's horrible.
		I'm sorry.
		It's just, I don't know what you do.
unidentified		Okay.
		Here we go.
		Let me see.
		The one thing the area has that is the Far East in that region of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and the other stands that I can't remember has an abundance is gypsum, limestone, shale.
		And I think what we ought to do is pull an Emperor Hadrian on them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that would be.
unidentified		And in return for government subsidies and aid and whatnot, we enlist the contractors, put millions of people to work, employ millions of people, and wall them in where we can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wall them in?
unidentified		Wall them in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Build a giant wall?
unidentified		Yeah, a platoon of soldiers could be in the middle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you build it around all of Afghanistan?
unidentified		No, just in the areas that would keep them from leaving.
unidentified		And then troops could, local troops.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is a psychology to walls.
		The minute you put a wall up, particularly revolutionary-type people want to either cross that wall and or knock it down.
		There's something about walls.
unidentified		Well, I do have one more suggestion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		I think we could put the Pope, Jerry Falwell, the Dalai Lama, and Bin Laden together in a Texas death match, and the winner would psychically and will the others into submission.
unidentified		And we would see how long that would take.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could be a pay-per-view event.
		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		The Pope's not up to it, so forget that.
		We need to have a new younger Pope first.
		He's not up for it.
		You can see Pappy doesn't look too good these days.
		However, you know, the old idea of getting the leaders of warring nations together and letting them duke it out has some sort of...
		instead of sending the nations young as we always have to to have a prearranger The Texas duel.
		But you and I both know that's never going to happen.
		It's just a pleasing thing to think about.
		What's to the Rockies?
		You're on there.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		My name is Terry, and I'm calling from Pacifica, California, and we have an out-of-the-box idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there must be more than you there.
unidentified		Yes.
		We enjoyed listening to your program and the guys before you.
		And we want to do our part and share with what we think of.
		And we think we have a pretty good idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I know that right now the Taliban are supposedly in the homes of the Afghani people.
		But we're thinking if it does end up going to the hills, what's a good way to track them down?
		And we're trying to think of a way where we're going to have minimal loss of life for the American people that are over there fighting.
		And we figure we can round up a bunch of cave bats, let them go in the hills, and with little homing devices on them.
		They'll instinctively go for the caves, and we can hit the caves where they go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, yeah, you know, that's kind of an interesting idea.
		Bats would naturally seek out caves.
		And if you put, if you, my God, that's a, so if you put homing devices on them.
unidentified		Yeah, and then the troops can track the homing devices where the bats go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got it, yes.
unidentified		And whether the Taliban are there or not, you're either killing the Taliban or you're going to kill or stop a hiding place from where they could go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, that's good.
		That really is good.
		And of course, if you could get a really, really high explosive that a bat could carry.
		I wasn't hot on the dogs and cats earlier, but bats, you could probably sacrifice a bat.
unidentified		I mean, you just find them anywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not only that, but every time that Osama and his lieutenants looked up, they wouldn't know whether it was one of our bats or one of their bats.
unidentified		It's a natural, instinctive thing that happens, that occurs, so they wouldn't know that we're doing this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I like that.
unidentified		And I had seen on the news that, you know, they were using flashlights to point out to where, you know, they were going to hit the targets.
unidentified		Well, this has kind of been the same general thinking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they use laser designators, yes.
		They paint a target.
		God, that's really good.
		That's absolutely wonderful.
		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Okay, thank you very much.
unidentified		See you later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		That's a good one.
		She really is right about that.
		Bats would seek out caves.
		And if you put locator beacons, and we've got plenty of satellites that could tell you where that bat is going, the signal might disappear at that point, but it would be obvious, or at least highly probable, that they went into a cave.
		God, that's a good idea.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Stuart from Tauquetina, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Stuart.
unidentified		Art, I have a suggestion, and then I have a question I'd like to ask you if that's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps.
unidentified		The suggestion is the gentleman with the idea of spraying LSD all around a specific area was quite right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would make urban warfare easier.
unidentified		And it wouldn't be toxic to the civilians.
unidentified		But the part he left out is after everybody is loaded, we dress our combat troops as vestal virgins.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		They go in.
		The Arab fighters think they're already in heaven, and here comes the virgins.
		All right, my question, Ari.
		They'd have to be platoons of 70.
		Really?
		Oh, you know, by the way, if they get, what was it, 72 virgins?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Most of our special forces wouldn't come off well as vestal virgins.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, but we could use real virgins.
unidentified		That's true, if we could find any.
unidentified		That's very, very true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I want this call to proceed from here or not.
unidentified		I'll change the topic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		Okay, given a certain allotment of festal virgins, I think it was 72.
		Yes.
		What do the boys there do on the evening of the 73rd day?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, sir.
		Goodbye.
		You couldn't leave it alone, could you?
		Wildcard line, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		Youngston, Ohio.
		Okay.
		My idea is this.
		I think Dr. Bloom, your guest the other night, had it right.
		The Inquirer is brilliant because we have an educated public who buys it and believes most of the stuff in it, which is mostly not believable.
		Drop flyers by the millions in different phases.
		The first one being that Osama bin Laden is secretly a Christian and is in touch with Christian leaders, and it starts to work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Inquirer, though, would know how to do that the right way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, this is really good, because for one thing, the Inquirer, along with others, was a target, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they have reason for vengeance, and so the Inquirer could write this one up like nobody's business.
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They could have these people believing it up and down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And also, the second phase would be to put pictures, anything that would be done with pictures of a Lama, Osama bin Laden, made up like a woman with the wigs surrounded by attractive men, and that because homosexuality there is punishable by death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it is.
unidentified		And just Blitz Creek for weeks, and it would start to work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you have heard, sir.
		Maybe with the line you're on, you're going to like this.
		You maybe perhaps have not heard about this.
		It's going around on the internet.
		It is suggested that we find Osama bin Laden.
		Not an easy job, but when we find him, instead of killing him or bringing him back here for international trial and jail, that we snap him up, whisk him out of the country, put him through a fast sex change operation, and drop him back into country.
unidentified		Yeah, I've heard that on your show.
unidentified		I'm not against that, but my point, basically what my point is, that with these flyers, things start to work on people's minds like a bliss creep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm sure the inquirer could turn them out one after Another after another until Osama would throw up his hands.
unidentified		Well, hopefully, his followers would start abandoning him if they started believing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they could begin accusing him of affairs, cheating on his 5,000 wives.
unidentified		Well, they could say that he hired men to father his children because he was like a woman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Goodbye, sir.
		Okay.
		Goodbye.
		East of the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art Daze Giri of ATRS, St. Louis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir, St. Louis.
unidentified		Yes.
		I had three quick ideas.
		All right.
		One would be to give them weapons, but give them weapons that were booby-trapped so that they kind of blew theirself up trying to use them against us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Booby-trapped weapons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kalishnikoffs that backfire.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
		Okay.
		Another idea I had was two ideas, actually.
		Fake intelligence.
		Tell them we're going to be over here or something that they come to a certain location.
		Rather than go after them, have them come to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Better yet, sir, how about Kalishnikovs that blow up?
unidentified		Exactly.
		Exactly.
		And then another idea I had was maybe would be to implant them, like capture them, implant them with a tracking device, then turn them loose or let them, quote-unquote, escape, and you can at least root out where they're headed back to.
		Just a couple ideas are a few.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did you think of the lady with the bat idea?
		That was pretty cool.
		Bats go to caves, right?
unidentified		That's a real good idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Homing devices on bats.
unidentified		That was an excellent idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you very much.
unidentified		Thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		No, you're not.
		You're not on the air.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Well, I'll be darned.
		I didn't think I'd ever get through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're darned.
unidentified		Hey, Art, this is Norm.
unidentified		I'm in Sisters, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have an idea?
unidentified		Well, yeah, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		A little nervous here.
unidentified		First time caller and all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take a deep breath.
		Go ahead.
		Take a deep breath.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, take a deep breath.
unidentified		I want you to let it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take a deep breath.
unidentified		What we should do is instead of dropping bobs and food on them, we should drop Playboys and Penthouse, Budweiser and Jack Daniels, and take all the dope that we got in all the cop shops around the country and subvert the youth of their country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they already, nobody much uses dope there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, they manufacture the dope there.
unidentified		They get it there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They manufacture the dope there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's one of the top heroin-producing areas of the world.
unidentified		Well, they don't use the heroin, but you know, they don't grow dope.
		They can't get whiskey there.
		They can't get porn there.
		They don't let it into their country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, whiskey and porn has potential.
unidentified		Well, there you go.
unidentified		And while we're at it, while we're at it, we can drop off a few million copies of Cosmopolitan, Playgirl, and some lingerie for the women.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we'll particularly bear that one in mind.
		I don't think you can go from the Vale to Lingerie.
		Well, maybe you can.
		That really would have an effect on them, wouldn't it?
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from October 26, 2001.
		Coast to Coast AM from October 26, 2001.
		Crystal ball on the table.
		Showing up you to the past.
		Same cat with them evil eyes.
		And I knew it was a spell she cast.
		She's just a devil woman with evil on her mind.
		Beware the devil woman, she's gonna get you.
		She's got a dead woman with evil on her.
		The End My mother's happy, baby, so hard to find.
		I tried to wait for you, but you have closed your mind Whatever happens to our love I wish I'd understood It used to pay for life, it used to pay for good Oh when you hear me darling, can't you hear me?
		It's so it The love you gave me nothing less to save me, it's so it When you're gone, how can I even try to go on?
		When you're gone, so I try, how can I carry on?
		You seem so far away, though you are sending me You make me feel alive, there's something that I need I really try to make it up, I wish that I knew What happened to our love, it used to pay for good
		You'll receive Wark Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from October 26, 2001.
		Are you thinking out of the box?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You certainly are.
		Fascinating program.
		Actually, a lot of really significantly good ideas tonight.
		Really good idea.
unidentified		You're welcome.
		Now we take you back to the night of October 26th, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell Al in Tucson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tucson Al says, hey, our telemarketers find everyone.
		This is a fast last.
		They do find every telemarketers do.
		Tell Bin Laden he's won an all-expense paid trip to Mecca and just pick him up at the airport.
		Gee Al, where did you hear about that one?
		First time caller line or on the air?
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Big fan.
		New Canaan, Connecticut.
		Art, we love you in the tri-state area.
		You're always the subject of conversations.
		New York, New Jersey, Connecticut.
		First, some of the most unbelievable military maneuvers ever pulled off by the United States government, our special forces, is actually a collection of it on a website.
		If you want it, it's great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's T-R-N-N-N-N-N-N-N-U-N-O-N-O-N-O-D-A.
unidentified		Okay, but I'll give you my idea anyway.
		First of all, we call a press conference, the government, United States government, and we declare Afghanistan an open country.
		Then we round up all the illegal immigrants in America and we send them to Afghanistan and we let them all in that country.
		T-R-P.O.R.N.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
unidentified		Oh, I can't?
		No.
		Don't do that?
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, don't do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I get all of our illegal immigrants there.
unidentified		Put them in there, declare Afghanistan an open country, and this way we destroy their culture, and they don't destroy ours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is some merit in that as a means to destroy a culture.
		There's two ways about it, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		He's right about that.
		Now, I'm not sure that America destroys cultures, but you could do it.
		You really could do it.
		Theirs is an extremely strict culture, very, very, very strict.
		And if they were sufficiently overwhelmed with cultural misfits, it would have a very derogatory effect on their ongoing situation.
		Probably be a slaughter, though, though.
		Slaughter.
		A wild card line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Art, Austin here in Flagstaff.
		Yes.
		The previous caller, I think, was almost in the right direction.
		I've been thinking hyperdimensionally here about how to take advantage of this situation to clear up all of our Middle Eastern problems and Wenfell swoop.
		We've got an Afghanistan situation where there really isn't a government.
		I mean, they were only recognized by Pakistan, and everybody else has withdrawn any recognition from them.
		We don't want to get a lot of Americans killed.
		We do want to take the Taliban down.
		We've got the Palestinians clamoring for a homeland.
		The Israelis don't want them on their doorstep.
		Fine.
		The UN convenes.
		We now designate Afghanistan as the new Palestinian homeland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hate it.
unidentified		We arm them.
		We send them in.
		We let them take care of the Taliban.
		And now they're no longer where they can threaten Israel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a wonderful, wonderful idea, which was actually thought of earlier in the program.
unidentified		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Declare it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The new Palestinian homeland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And let the Palestinians go get it.
unidentified		Well, I guess some of us are thinking along that line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you get outside the box, sir, you run into other people out there.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Colin.
unidentified		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's not altogether a bad idea.
		We consider the Taliban to be an illegitimate government.
		And the country is virtually destroyed now.
		Declare it a Palestinian homeland.
		Then the Taliban really has a problem.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Robert Walton, Pennsylvania, listening to WKST radio.
		Welcome.
		Thank you.
		That idea with the bat was an excellent idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it was.
unidentified		The idea I had is if they have to fight in the streets, if they're going to use germ warfare against us, we could use it in a milder form.
unidentified		We could use, you know, give them a flu of some sort, inoculate our troops, make them sick enough where they're incapacitated to fight, which would make things, you know, a great deal easier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think if we nail down those who have sent the weapons grade anthrax, might as well call it what it is, all over the place in Washington and New York, if we nail down who did that, are we morally justified ourselves in using some kind of germ warfare?
unidentified		Well, I think we are as long as we can use it in some kind of controlled fashion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the problem with germ warfare.
		Now, there was a guy who called earlier who said, who really had a cool idea.
		He said, capture one of bin Laden's children and get a real good take on the genetics of the bin Laden family.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then release something that just goes after that genetic code.
unidentified		Well, you know, this is the thing.
		I think all of that's in the realm of possibility.
		If you have to go after these people in villages, I don't know whether you could use some sort of mild gas on them, that wouldn't kill them, would incapacitate them, or I'd like to use some sort of term warfare.
		Another thing is when we take prisoners, if we export, send them to another country, if they could use hypnotics on them, if you guys got these guys really blasted on LSD and let them think, you know, hallucinate that they're in Mecca, they're before Allah, and they're recounting their victories and how they did this, you'd get a lot of information out of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And actually, sending people on an unexpected trip is something that under normal circumstances we would never consider.
		But you know what?
		In a situation like this, the idea has a serious amount of merit.
unidentified		And another thing is, is that those bats go into caves, I wonder what you could infect them with to carry into the caves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's hard to give a bat anything it probably already doesn't have, but your idea, again, has merit.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
		Right.
		Bats.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a wild idea.
		What a totally wild idea.
		Now, there have been a number of ideas tonight that I do think people in the Defense Department should begin to actively consider.
		That's definitely one of them.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, hi, this is Victor in Redondo Beach listening on KFI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Mighty KFI, 640 in L.A., yes, sir.
unidentified		Well, the bat thing, I don't know if you know it, has already been tried by the U.S. against Japan in World War II.
unidentified		You've never heard about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know that we certainly had a lot of intense, terrible battles on the island of Okinawa trying to get the Japanese out of the caves.
unidentified		Well, they were doing testing here with bats.
		They were putting little incendiary packages on, and they were planning on sending them into Tokyo because all of their buildings were made out of paper and wood and just starting a huge firestorm over there.
		But they were doing some testing, and they had several dignitaries attending, and apparently one of the bats attached itself to one of their vehicles and caused a fire.
		And it didn't go over too well after that.
		But anyway, what my idea is, it's not a really totally new idea, but I think everybody knows that unless things really fall apart, nobody's ever going to use nuclear weapons, at least from the U.S. Probably not.
		But if you remember in the Gulf War, when we had mass surrenders by a lot of the Iraqi troops?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure do.
unidentified		What they did was, and I only heard this one time, what they did was they dropped leaflets on all these troops, the Iraqi troops, and they said, if you don't surrender right now, you're going to be hit with the largest conventional weapon ever known to man.
		And they didn't surrender.
		And the U.S. dropped the fuel air bomb on them.
		Do you remember that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember that, but what I really remember, sir, was, and this is the truth, we buried them alive.
		Pretty much we buried them alive.
		I don't know whether you know this or not, but we had gigantic earth-moving equipment, and they were in trenches, and we buried them alive.
		It's not a well-known fact, but it's the truth.
unidentified		Well, I know about that, but if you saw, if you remember on TV when they showed all the long lines of Iraqi soldiers coming and starting to kiss our guys' feet, it's because they had a fuel air bomb dropped on them.
		And if we could use that in the same way, we could carpet fuel air bomb with, a lot of people call it the poor man's tactical nuke.
		And if we only had intelligence on, you know, a general area where these guys were, they don't stay in their caves all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think for one second it's not something we're actively considering.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it's on the table.
unidentified		I'm sure it is.
		It's a big, nasty thing.
		Yeah, it is.
		It's not nearly as nasty as nuclear bombs and not nearly as politically incorrect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but it's psychologically disabling, that's for sure.
		As well as decapitating, perhaps.
		Thank you very much.
		He's right.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Good morning, Mr. Bell.
		Hello.
		My name is Brandy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Brandy.
unidentified		I have, oh, by the way, that Goodman has New Where to Hide thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, didn't you like that?
unidentified		That was awfully funny.
unidentified		I giggled and my daughter had to come and see, so I had to play it again for her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is very well done.
unidentified		Very funny.
		I have a, it's actually got three steps, my idea.
		Okay.
		Okay.
		Step one, we blast them with window-rattling, skull-splitting levels of slim women.
		I refer to this as the tenderizer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That softens them up.
unidentified		Okay.
		And then about a week, two later, people don't realize, everything that we need to do this, we have in our National Football League.
		We send over the National Football League with the cheerleaders.
		And first we drop in the cheerleaders in their uniforms, and they dance and they cheer.
		And this is going to pull all these guys out so we don't have to go in after them.
		And then while they're standing there, you know, draw the gape, then we send in the big linebackers and pull out Kevlar, and they take them all down, we just get them all, and then we sort them out later, the good guys in the backups.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the NFL could do it all by itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Don't you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the cheerleaders would be probably poorly received.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they'd go into shock.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
unidentified		They'd be sitting here totally frozen, and then we could just hit them all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then they send down the guys with no necks.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you've got it.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		And if we did it at the beginning of the week, we might even not miss a Sunday.
		Wild Cardoline, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		But it happened to be a Tuesday this Monday night football.
		Where are you calling from, sir?
unidentified		Richmond, Virginia.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		One of my ideas was that Congress can help.
		And the best way they can do it is to...
		Our confiscation laws that comes to drug seizures could be expanded to international waters?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, they've got a lot of drugs there, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They throw a lot of marrow in there, and it's a source of their money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we could confiscate their rubble.
unidentified		No, any truck crossing a border, even any boat, any Saudi oil tanker, anything in international waters, we could also try to export that law to the countries in the area that could help us out with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in effect, fighting the drug war and the terrorist war together.
unidentified		Well, attacking their money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it's a good point.
		He's right.
		That's where most of their money comes from.
		It comes from the growing of poppies.
		They're a heroin-producing nation.
		And it's all for export.
		Not a bad idea.
		They're always talking about the money.
		Follow the money.
		Freeze the assets.
		Well, you really want to hurt their money.
		Take away their heroin.
		Wild card line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Carolyn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you on some kind of speakerphone, dear?
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now we can hear the real you, Carolyn.
unidentified		Okay.
		Is this Art?
		Yes.
		Oh, hi.
		Okay.
		Out of the box.
		Yes.
		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
unidentified		I suggest that we take our most violent and perverted criminals.
		They've lost their rights here by what they've done.
		Take them over there and leave them to fend for themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, but prisoners who are just, even those in prison for life, have not lost their right to life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you could suggest those on death row, maybe.
unidentified		That's what I mean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, the real bad people.
unidentified		All right, anybody who has molested children, anybody who has committed violent crimes.
		Yes.
		Anyone who's on death row.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And then after we do that, then I suggest we let it be known that any person who's caught here illegally in this country will not be deported to Mexico or wherever they come from, but deported over to Afghanistan.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So instead of the round trip to Mexico and then back again in 12 hours, they've got to get back all the way from Afghanistan.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty cold.
		It's my understanding, but nevertheless, in an era of shrinking civil rights, perhaps an okay idea.
		I don't know.
		It's my understanding that we generally have to treat immigrants, even illegal immigrants, in a constitutional manner, which of course would legally, as well as morally, prohibit us from doing this sort of thing.
		But out of the box, she went.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		Hello, Art.
		Hello.
		This is Keith from Hamilton, Ontario.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		To start, Arlo, I was loaded with so many ideas, but first...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's about this one?
unidentified		It sounds funny, but how about a sleep bomb?
unidentified		Have it spread quicker than anthrax and put them all out like a light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that is an awfully good idea.
		In areas where we're required to put in ground troops, I'm telling you, and I'll say it again, I said it earlier, we know that the top Taliban people and the Al-Qaeda people and so forth and so on are mixing, we believe, with civilians.
		So it's a damn good idea.
		Instead of going into an area where you know they're prepared for urban warfare, you put people to sleep ahead of time.
		You don't kill them.
		You just put them asleep and then sort them out.
unidentified		And somebody was also saying, blast them out with Slim Whitman.
unidentified		Much like years ago with Nori Aga, how he's in his nice little safe little haven there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Blast them out with thrash metal music.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be a stuff.
unidentified		Slayer, Megadeth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give them the works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Megadeth.
unidentified		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you, sir.
		Megadeth.
		that could be a message on itself anyway right was the rockies you're on the air Turn your radio off.
unidentified		I got it off.
		Yeah, my idea was that we look at the real evildoers, the ones who are behind these fanatical fundamentalists who are putting up the money to get them whipped up into a frenzy.
		And we maybe go after the top one or two richest percent of the richest people in the world, be they Americans or Saudis or whoever, and put them before like a tribunal for crimes against humanity, for stirring up wars against each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure I got that exactly.
		You take the world's richest people.
		You mean like Bill Gates and people like you?
unidentified		You follow the money trail who has the money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But these are people in many ways who Bill Gates, for example, he made his money very legitimately.
unidentified		Well, then he would be innocent.
unidentified		He wouldn't have a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps not innocent of having a bad operating system at times, but otherwise, basically innocent.
unidentified		Oh, I mean, and Oprah too, she's innocent too.
		But I mean, who do you think is behind all the wars that we've been having over the last 50 years?
		The moneyed interests, you know, we are just pawns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you're going after the money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that's where the guilt is.
unidentified		You don't?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		a lot of it seems frankly and honestly religiously motivated more than it does anything else.
unidentified		I don't think the religion is very widespread or very extreme until certain, you know, moneyed interests get in there and start whipping them up and putting, you know, putting people and operatives in there to get the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		We are out of time.
		I want to thank all of you who participated.
		You definitely got out of the box very well tonight.
		This was fun and it does not come easy.
		And it was very profitable.

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