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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Ed Dames - Remote Viewing September 11

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unidentified		Welcome to Arkbell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from September 27, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whatever the case may be, where your case is, and that's all the globe, actually, covered by Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Great to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Next hour, we're going to have Major Ed Dames on.
		For those of you that have joined us during the 911, since the 911 catastrophe, Major Ed Dames is a remote viewer.
		A remote viewer, for those of you who don't know, is not a psychic.
		A remote viewer is somebody who was trained by the U.S. government to see distant places, distant things, and distant people.
		And Major Ed Dames worked in the motor program that went on for about 20 years.
		A lot of you may not know about that, in the CIA.
		And he's got some pretty horrific things to say about the work that he's done on all of this.
		A lot of people say, well, how come a remote viewer didn't see all this coming?
		Well, that isn't what remote viewers do.
		They don't give sort of snatches of big future events the way psychics claim to.
		They instead are able, through a disciplined program, as I just said a moment ago, to look at distant places and things and events, but they have to specifically go searching for it.
		So they would not just suddenly sit there and their mouth go agape and say, oh my God, you know, two planes are going to plow into the Twin Towers in New York.
		It wouldn't happen.
		It just doesn't happen.
		That's a claim of psychics, not of remote viewers.
		But Major Dames has done a great deal of work since the 911 disaster.
		Has a lot of information for you.
		And that'll be next hour by popular demand.
		Now, CNN earlier tonight, as you know, I'm here in the desert about 65 miles west of Las Vegas.
		And CNN just reported earlier this evening that five of the 19 hijackers that did this back east were in fact, to our dismay, here in Las Vegas in August.
		Nobody knows what they were doing.
		They may have been here plotting, planning, rehearsing, partying.
		Nobody knows.
		But five of the 19 were in Las Vegas in August.
		So that's a concerning item for us out west here.
		Recent developments in the whole terrorist arena, President Bush urges governors to call up the National Guard to protect U.S. airports as he begins bolstering airline security.
		His plan includes expanded use of federal marshals on the airliners, putting federal government in charge of airport security, that's a good idea, and spending $500 million on aircraft modifications, including making cockpits more secure.
		Thank you very much.
		Pentagon officials say that two Air Force generals have been authorized to order the military to shoot down civilian airliners that appear to be threatening U.S. cities.
		Oh, my.
		Let's read that again.
		Pentagon officials say two Air Force generals have been authorized to order the military to shoot down civilian airliners that appear to be threatening U.S. cities.
		Wow.
		How would they know if an airliner really is threatening a city?
		If an airliner for whatever reason goes off course or has radio trouble, wow.
		Isn't that something?
		And they're worried about getting more people in airplanes, the president really doing a job on trying to help the airlines out, and they are in big trouble because people don't want to fly.
		And can you blame them?
		At any rate, now we learn generals are going to be authorized to go ahead and order the military to shoot them down if they seem like they're threatening a city.
		I wonder how they determine that.
		I guess they try and get a jet up and try and establish some sort of visual contact.
		I don't know.
		But that's an interesting one.
		The Reverend Jesse Jackson says he is considering an invitation from Afghanistan's Taliban rulers to take a peace delegation, I guess, to neighboring Pakistan.
		I wonder if he'll go.
		I know the administration does not want him to.
		Ten people arrested in Missouri, Michigan, and Washington state during the investigation into fraudulently obtained Pennsylvania licenses to transport hazardous materials.
		FBI warns that terrorists may strike using chemical or biological weapons, though the Justice Department says none of those arrested have any known connections to the terrorist attacks.
		Interesting, they said otherwise yesterday.
		The Pentagon has called 635 more reservists to active duty, thus raising the total to 15,600.
		The President has authorized the call-up of 50,000.
		British Airways, Britain's biggest airline, says it's going to cut 10% of flights after announcing earlier it would trim 7,000 jobs.
		On Wall Street, the markets open lower.
		Death toll at the trade centers remains 300, including make that 232 identified.
		Number of missing listed now at 6,347.
		Death toll at Pentagon remains 189.
		Pennsylvania crash 44.
		So there you have it.
		This hour we're going to do open minds.
		Anything you want to talk about is fair.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yesterday, I put up a photograph of the sun as taken from a satellite about a million miles out from Earth.
		Just monitors the sun.
		Tonight, we have put up another photograph, today's photograph of the sun.
		And if you liked yesterday's, you're just going to love today's.
		Oh my, what's going on on our sun?
		Now, solar cycle 23 should have peaked some time, some months ago.
		But this is the most action we've seen in the solar cycle.
		It's really wild.
		The sun is really cooked.
		In fact, we'll ask Major Ed Dames about that.
		That's a prediction he has made in the past, and we'll go back and touch on that.
		Not a prediction, actually, but a remote viewing, something he has done as a project.
		Kind of scary stuff.
		And when you look at the sun, and if you'll go to my website at artbill.com, you'll see the latest photograph we got up there.
		I think in the last hour we got it up there.
		Just go to what's new in today's latest sun image.
		My, my, my, what's going on on our sun?
		So there you have it.
		Oh, there is one last thing.
		Congratulations, everybody.
		As you know, we had last night an absolutely intriguing guest here.
		He has written a book that is, I've been reading myself.
		I began reading before I even considered him as a guest called Joshua's Hammer.
		Great book.
		David Hagberg.
		And when we began the program last night with David, his book, I think, was rated 3,000 and something or another on Amazon.com.
		And through the period of the program and through the day today, all of you have done an incredible thing.
		Mr. Higbug's book now is now rated number two.
		So you took it roughly from the thousands, whatever it was, to this moment when his book is rated number two on Amazon.com.
		And you will not be disappointed.
		That's a personal recommendation from me.
		It is an incredible book.
		Joshua's Hammer is an incredible book.
		I'm reading it.
		In fact, it puts me to sleep.
		Every night I tend to read, you know, as most people do when they want to make themselves tired.
		And I just, I'm an avid reader, so I always read myself to sleep.
		And I'm kind of enjoying this one because I've got a long way to go, and it's really, really good.
		At any rate, if you would like to take a look-see, go to my website, go to yesterday's.
		Actually, what does it say?
		Let me read this.
		Go to artbell.com and then go to program and let's see, past programs info.
		And there you will see David Hagberg's name and the book.
		Just click on the book.
		It'll take you over to Amazon.com.
		Really a good book.
		Clancy-like stuff, no questioning about it.
		All right, in a moment.
		In a moment, we'll go to open lines.
unidentified		Streamlink the Author.
		Listen to the stranger stories, wondering where it all went wrong.
		Oh, so long.
		So long.
		Hold on, hold on, hold on to what you got.
		Hold on, hold on, hold on to what you got.
		Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
		Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
		Out of the street, I was talking to a man He took his soul, my brother's love a man And I was saying that I was...
		You can worry about crime.
		If you get it wrong, you'll get it right next time.
		You get the rich and you need to be when you stand across from the highway.
		After a while, you get to recognize the sign.
		So if you get wrong, you can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a question for all of you.
		How many of you, since September 11th, have been having a hard time sleeping?
		My sleep patterns are absolutely destroyed, aside from my back, which, as you know, is a pathetic back, which actually was probably given to, I don't know, probably came from...
		Here you go, have this back.
		But aside from that, sleep.
unidentified		I can't sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I come on the air every night and I deal with this situation.
		And, you know, it's not just all of you that has gone through a kind of a shock.
		It's me too.
		A definite shock, a real shock.
		And it's still affecting me four or five hours a night, whatever, to come on here and deal with this.
		Knowing what may come, knowing what we're in the middle of, and knowing what just happened to us.
		And all of the details of it has put me directly in the middle of it, as I'm sure is the case with many of you, if not most of you, I'm sure.
		And I wonder, I just wonder how many of the rest of you have had your sleep patterns just shot to hell.
		I mean, there are times when I can't even get to sleep anywhere near or within six or eight hours of when I ought to sleep.
		And so that just throws everything off.
		You know, everything's cattywampas.
		I wonder how many of the rest of you are experiencing that.
unidentified		Ha ha!
		you you you Thank you.
		Now we take you back to the night of September 27th, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder what aspect of this is really getting to my psyche the way it obviously is.
		Is it what occurred on the 11th?
		Or is it what I think yet may occur?
		Or what we may run into in pursuing these bastards?
		I don't know.
		Something.
		Something's really going to work on me.
		And I still feel a sense of foreboding, as I did in the weeks prior to this happening.
		I still feel a strong sense of foreboding.
		My wife shares these feelings with me, and I wonder how many of you are in about the same place.
		Worth mentioning, I thought.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Ronnie calling from Ulis, Texas, listening on 570 Cliff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Ronnie.
unidentified		Well, in answer to that question, I think I've had about seven hours sleep since the 11th.
		And, you know, what's strange, I had nightmares for about three nights before this happened.
		Did you?
		Yeah, it was, I mean, waking up in the middle of the night.
		I was having dreams about the devil.
		That's not the reason for my call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's interesting you would note that.
		And the sleep we have been getting totally catiwompers.
		I mean, like, missing when you normally go to sleep by eight hours, that's really disturbed.
		And then when you do sleep, it's a disturbed sleep.
unidentified		It is crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, go ahead.
unidentified		Well, you know, this is a little bit, I haven't heard many people talk about this on any of the media, but it's a concern that I've had with organized crime in this country.
		And I'm totally on board with George Bush.
		I think he's doing an excellent job.
		And as, I mean, it's pretty obvious that we are devoting our complete, full resources to fighting terrorism and hunting down these guys.
		I mean, the DEA is involved.
		You know, the FBI, of course, the CIA.
		I just wonder, you know, with their backs turned to the problems in this country, especially with the war on drugs.
		I was just wondering, you know, how you felt about that, if you thought about that at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you mentioned organized crime.
		What do you mean?
		Do you mean that organized crime is going to have something of a free hand in some way or another to operate while all of this is going on that captures our attention?
unidentified		That is really a side fear of mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
unidentified		I just thought I'd put that out there.
unidentified		I haven't really heard anyone talk about it, and I know it's kind of off the subject.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not really.
		It's an interesting thing to ponder, so let me ponder it.
		Thank you.
		It is interesting.
		Now, let's think about that.
		Maybe I'm naive, but here's what I think.
		I think organized crime is here.
		It's always been here.
		It's been just over the hill for me in great strength, as a matter of fact, in Las Vegas.
		And though Las Vegas would tell you there's nothing there now, I'm not quite as sure.
		The one thing I will say, though, and this is probably naive, is that yes, it's organized crime, and yes, there are no sweethearts, but they're our sweethearts.
		In other words, I think that most members of organized crime, this is probably the best thing you could say about them, right?
		Are generally patriotic.
		And they've probably been nearly as impacted by this as the rest of us.
		And so right now we're worried, you know, we're worried about something that may happen to America.
		And I think that organized crime will continue to do what they do, not a good thing, of course, but I don't think you have anything to worry about from them, anything big to worry about from them.
		And I think they're probably about as affected by this as you are.
		Even the wise guys are probably somewhat patriotic.
		Wild Cardline, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hi.
		Yes, I think if I could mention three different examples of why I think the United States government and the media is waging a sophisticated psychological warfare campaign.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, number one, it sounds like you're talking from the bottom of a barrel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you on some sort of speakerphone?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		I'm on a payphone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, a payphone.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be sure the radio in the background is off.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Proceed.
unidentified		I wanted to mention three examples, if I can get time.
		One is the fact that during the run-up to the Bush, senior Bush's attack on Iraq back in 90, there was an absolutely outrageous propaganda hoax that was orchestrated by the Bush administration against Iraq.
		It wasn't admitted in the margins until a couple of years after the end of the war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There were quite a number about the hospitals in Kuwait, that kind of thing.
unidentified		Incubator babies.
		Yes, they remember.
		I remember.
		They dressed up Kuwaiti royal family in ragtag refugee clothes, gave them funny stories, rehearsed them, shouted about them lady king, CNN, C-SPAN, and the rest of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember.
unidentified		And this, I was reading that this was a hoax within some shoestring magazine, Z-Magazine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, it was propaganda.
unidentified		Yeah, Z-Mag.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no, no.
unidentified		Okay, but I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was propaganda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We propagandize our people like every other nation on earth.
unidentified		Yeah, but the fact is that the media pretended not to notice with all the resources.
unidentified		I was reading about this, as I said, a small magazine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think they did notice until later.
unidentified		Well, I was reading about it in a small magazine that didn't have these resources.
		So what I'm saying is we have to be very careful.
		Another example I'd mention is that the Bush administration is going to bring into the top level of the administration a man by the name of Otto Reich as Under Secretary of State.
		If you check the Affair Organization, they sometimes turn up on Fox News.
		They brought out the secret findings of the Iran Conquer Committee and the National Security Archives that he ran a vast psychological warfare operation in the senior Reagan Bush administration, planting false propaganda, framing up various countries that the United States wanted to smear and attack like Simul Grove, falsely claiming they had mixed and chemical weapons.
		It was all a lie.
		They laundered it through various so-called experts throughout the media.
		They had very much success in the collaboration of the media in peddling this stuff, and he bragged that he was using the same psychological warfare techniques on the American public that the military uses against enemy populations at time of war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, listen, you'll get it.
		Sarah, hold it.
		Take a deep breath, please.
		In fact, let's hold it there.
		You'll get no argument from me.
		Your case, your larger case, is obviously to say that the American government propagandizes its own people.
		Of course it does.
		Every government does that, and the odds are very strong that we are getting some propaganda right now.
		No question about it.
		If you use the right resources, though, believe me, you need not be trapped by such propaganda.
		Here in America, you can go get yourself a shortwave radio.
		You can listen to the BBC.
		You can listen to broadcasters around the world.
		You can listen to news from a million different sources.
		You can get on the internet.
		And you can confirm or deny stories that you hear.
		The research ability is right at your fingertips, but I would never for a second.
unidentified		So I came in to you, sweet lady, answering your mystical heart.
		Crystal ball on the table.
		Show them up to the past.
		Same cat with them evil eyes And I knew it was a spell she can't She's just a devil woman with evil on her mind Beware the devil woman, she's gonna get you She's just a devil woman with evil on her mind Beware the devil
		woman, she's gonna get you from behind Beware the devil woman, she's gonna get you from behind You feel the wind on your finger.
		You see the eyes on your hand.
		I can see the angel stranger.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired September 27th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		It is indeed glad to have you along.
		Coming up in a moment, by popular request, and by that I mean hundreds and hundreds of requests, Major Ed Dames.
		Major Ed Dames is a remote viewer.
		He was in the U.S. government remote viewing program, which spent about $20 million, I believe, of taxpayer money over a period of about a decade to develop and refine the ability in a military way, I guess you could call them refined psychics.
		It's a loose way to define them, and probably somewhat inaccurate since they are not psychics, although it has a relationship to psychic ability.
		Having said that, it was refined with very specific protocols by the U.S. military.
		And I've seen Major Dame's record.
		I know that everything he says about his past is absolutely true.
		He took it from the military and brought it into civilian life and formed a series of companies which do technical remote viewing.
		And he'll explain it more elegantly in a moment.
		That's what's coming up tonight.
		Major Ed Dames, if you've never experienced, heard about, or understand what remote viewing is, you're going to want to listen very closely because a lot of what he has to say, as usual, is very shocking, very concerning.
		And I guess I would like to say, if you are easily shocked and worried, you might want to tune out now because some of this you might want to miss.
		Some of it is rough stuff.
		And if you want a preview, go to my website, go to tonight's guest info, and click on Major Dane's website.
		And you'll see what you're about to hear.
		There's quite a good explanation up there of exactly what he has remote viewed lately that has to do with the whole terrorist attack, the whole thing.
		And it's of great concern.
		So get the kids out of the room.
		And if you're an adult and you can listen to this sort of thing without getting overly concerned, stick around.
		otherwise you might want bail about now.
unidentified		Screams
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		Now we take you back to the night of September 27, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell Here is Major Dames, a man who was scheduled twice, as a matter of fact, just following the whole disaster in New York.
		And here he is.
		Major Dames, welcome.
		Hi, Art.
		Sorry, we blew you off the air when all of that occurred.
		It's been a time that I don't think any of us that have lived through this will ever forget.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The timing was right for me, Art.
		My team and my institute went right to work on the intelligence aspect of the problem.
		I just flew in from the Sandwich Islands last night.
		I'm in the city of Angels now, and we're still working on looking at loose terrorist elements in the continental United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you woke up the day of the catastrophe and you saw what was happening, what were your emotions?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you surprised?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		My wife called me from work.
		She works for a defense contractor, and I didn't see it on television.
		She told me.
		And I cried.
		And then when I saw the television, I realized that was the most horrible thing I've ever experienced in my life.
		And I spent 20 years as a soldier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me read you something, and maybe this will help lead us into the proper area of discussion.
		It says, Dear Art, if Ed Dames is such a great remote viewer, then why the hell didn't he see the September 11 attacks coming ahead of time?
		You'd think he would feel some responsibility to try and thwart the attack.
		How about that kill shot from the sun that was just about to come?
		Well, we'll get to that.
		But with regard to what happened September 11th, a lot of people who don't understand what remote viewing is are saying, well, why the hell didn't he know it was coming and warn us?
		You want to answer that and sort of tell us about remote viewing at the same time?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'd be glad to.
		Remote viewing's roots, its genesis, is as a military intelligence collection tool.
		In the mid-70s, as a tactic of desperation, there were some very critical intelligence questions that needed to be answered by this country.
		And orthodox intelligence collection methods were not answering the mail.
		So as a tactic of desperation, some very gifted natural psychics in America, as an experiment, were approached and asked about some of these things.
		Where there were no leads and very little evidence, and things like the Erstwhile Soviet Union's biochemical warfare program, what was the capability of the SS-18 missile, those kind of things, where we were really failing to collect the intelligence that we needed to determine what kind of defense systems we would need.
		These natural psychics, sometimes, the very great ones, when they were on target, when they were able to address the question correctly, produced very, very good information.
		But the problem was they were not consistent.
		So sometimes they were really on target and sometimes really off target.
		And we as intelligence officials could not determine when they were on and when they were off because of that problem.
		So what the researchers did at Stanford Research Institute and other places where remote viewing and parapsychology labs were institutionalized was begin on behalf of the CIA and the U.S. Army with Army and CIA monies, look at what was happening when the very gifted psychics were on target.
		What was going on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why was it working?
		Now, science and the military and the CIA all like repeatability.
		In other words, they want to be able to just call on that information capability whenever they want, not just when the mood strikes.
		So they did what the military does, and they put together protocols and very, very strict protocols at that, so that random information would be screened out, right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Partially correct.
		There are two different political camps, two different camps here.
		The Western scientific method, scientists demand two things, in the West at least.
		They demand replicability, and they demand a theory.
		You must have a theory.
		Whereas in the Department of Defense, we demanded replicability.
		We wanted to make sure it would work in battle.
		But we could care less about a theory.
		If it's not broken, don't fix it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do they mean by a theory?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, why this damn thing works?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, scientists in the West, despite replicability, you can repeat, for instance, in my work, as remote viewers, you or Larry King or the amazing Randy or any official could take and write down the name of a person, a place, a thing, or an event, and my team could successfully tell you what is at that remote target.
		Successfully do that.
		We could do that time and time again.
		Anyone who is trained as a remote viewer can do that over and over again.
		That's replicability.
		But without a theory for how that works, Western science is very uncomfortable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you get the opportunity to see Sylvia Brown on Larry King with Randy?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I just happened to tune her in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, when I was in Los Angeles the last time I was here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as you know, there's an ongoing challenge, apparently.
		I guess it's been put off by all of this, but there was a challenge done on Larry King.
		And Sylvia was going to try and win the big bucks, or at least beat the challenge.
		And I worry a little because she is a psychic, which is, although she's a very, very, very good one, a psychic wouldn't quite have the discipline of a remote viewer.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, not at all.
		In fact, the same problem exists.
		The problem didn't go away with natural psychics.
		A natural psychic can walk into, let's say, your house or your trailer and just get a general feeling.
		We don't like these words in our technology.
		We're better than the best natural psychics who have ever lived at what we do.
		But we cannot do what a psychic does.
		A psychic can walk into a house and say, well, this is a loving home or something bad went down here or whatever.
		We can't do that.
		But if we as technical remote viewers were to turn our attention in the way that we are trained to do it to a specific point in that house, we could tell you everything that went down at a particular time in that house or whether or not it was a loving atmosphere with many, many details.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So a psychic might have this information just simply come to them that something big and awful is going to go to his website where this is quite explicitly spelled out.
		The place that he believes the attack is going to occur and the manner in which it will occur are very explicitly, very explicitly spelled out.
		So I don't need to do it.
		Anybody who needs to know the answer to this question, whether it's you or somebody in our government, can find out within minutes by going to my website and then Major Ed Dames.
		Suffice it to say that he has outlined all of this.
		And if you want to know, my website is artbell.com.
unidentified		Thank you.
		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 27, 2001.
		Music All right, so that's what we're going to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that we might not start any sort of panic or anything like that, I think I'm going to require that you go to his website to get this information.
		I want to read a fact that I think it would be relevant at this point to all of you.
		It is to me.
		It comes from Mike Bowman in Spokane, Washington.
		I'd like to know if the major can prove the effectiveness of his talents.
		I don't mean to imply any disrespect in asking the question, but my understanding is the government had given up on remote viewing some time ago.
		Why would that be the case if, in fact, it is an effective technique in learning important information about one's concerns or enemies?
		Perhaps you could ask Major Dames to clarify this important question while he's on the air tonight.
		I'd appreciate knowing more about this, as I'm certain many of your listeners would.
		Ed, you know, when you're saying something like you're saying tonight, it's a natural question to have.
		Okay, exactly how accurate is this?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		All right, there's a pretty solid history now for anybody that really wanted to find out about remote viewing.
		All they have to do is their homework.
		For instance, the Discovery Channel occasionally airs a one-hour documentary on myself and remote viewing called The Real X-Files, The True Story of America's Psychic Spies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen it.
unidentified		Yeah.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And programs like that, documentaries like that, outline really the history and the problems that we had as a unit.
		The real reason that the unit failed, there were two reasons.
		One, we did not work when we discovered in the laboratory and began using the techniques operationally how the best natural psychics produce the best work, the syntax and the grammar for how unconscious communicates to conscious awareness accurate information about a target.
		When that was discovered and employed by the military, we still had to work the bugs out of those techniques.
		That took a long time.
		And we had to do it on the run against some very serious problems.
		We didn't have time to really play with this.
		We had to take it right into the field and begin to use it in some serious hostage situations.
		Those kinds of things are talked about in books and in documentaries.
		But the two points were, it was still hit and miss, number one, and two, it was an extremely controversial thing.
		It was top secret not only because our capabilities were better than anything that history has ever seen in terms of psychic performance, but we needed to keep it away from the policymakers because some of them would have went nuts if they found out that the military was dabbling in parapsychology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, with respect to the information that you're giving to us tonight about this planned attack, what sort of percentage of probability can we assign to it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		On the attack itself, we can't assign any probability.
		And that's the reason the remote viewing target is that team that's on the loose, that a team is on the loose is 100%.
		That they are moving toward a target now, as far as we're concerned, is 100%.
		That the attack will go down is problematic because that's in the future.
		What we remote viewed is their planned attack point.
		This is not a forecast.
		This is not a prediction.
		This is not anything that a seer would do.
		This is their actual plan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you're saying with respect to the fact that they exist and they are on the move toward a target is 100%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		100%.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		100%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I can certainly understand how you cannot know yet whether this is going to come off, whether it's...
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's the reason we're making this open source to the public and that's what we're going to continue to do.
		Whenever we're going to continue.
		Prior to this event, we were looking for Chandra Levy's murderer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
		Ed, is there anything you can do to prevent the attack?
		As a remote viewer, is there anything you can do to actually prevent it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No.
		We are in the information collection business.
		It's our job and our job to get the information correct.
		It is now our responsibility to make sure that we watch the homeland for any major terrorist attacks that are in the planning and shine a spotlight on the planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then the best way for you to prevent it is simply the dissemination of information, correct?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		As far as I'm concerned, correct.
		And openly, absolutely openly, no secrets.
		Right out there, right in front, laid out on the table for everybody to see, including the attack team and the FBI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that kind of sums up remote viewing in general, doesn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No secrets, no more secrets?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		A world without secrets.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I haven't convinced myself that's a good thing, but in this case, it certainly could be.
		Traditionally, over the years, Ed, the one thing that remote viewers have had the most trouble with is not whether an event would occur, but generally when it would occur.
		In other words, timelines.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Still a problem.
		We have not worked that out.
		We have not resolved that at all.
		We still have problems with time.
		We can look forward to an event that's high probability.
		This appears to be a very easy thing for us to do psychically.
		For instance, we don't have, although the Technical Remote Viewing Institute, of which I am a director, has a monopoly on excellence, we certainly don't have any monopoly on the truth.
		Prior to the World Trade Center events, many people were having restless nights and they knew that there was a sense of foreboding.
		So we don't know that there is a percolating up or down from the superconscious or the unconscious.
		Something's coming down that's not good.
		This feeling of doom.
		And so that's there.
		That exists.
		We just avail ourselves of that and turn it into a skill.
		That's why the last 20 years has been so important, working the bugs out, getting it down to precision detail.
		But having said that, as professionals, technical remote viewers, we cannot look forward and tell you how far it is to that specific event.
		We are aware of a couple of other key events in the future that we'll talk about tonight.
		We don't know how far in the future they are, but we certainly will tell you they're coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Something that you and I have talked about frequently in the past comes to mind tonight because over the last couple of weeks, Ed, we're in solar cycle number 23 right now.
		A solar cycle that somebody would like, as a matter of fact, all of this.
		Aaron Reed writes, I heard you last night, Wednesday night, Thursday, talking about a troubled sun and an X-class solar flare.
		Can you please describe what this means?
		I went to the link on your website and saw some very nice pictures, but didn't make any sense to me.
		Well, we have an 11-year solar cycle.
		It ebbs and it increases and reaches a peak and then begins to ebb again.
		That's the way it works when the sun is very active and all kinds of things occur on the sun.
		Well, solar cycle 23 was supposed to have already peaked.
		However, over the last couple of weeks, our sun has been going berserk.
		Absolutely berserk.
		I have never seen it look the way it does right now in my lifetime.
		So obviously, they miscalculated something or another in solar cycle 23.
		It's really berserk right now.
		We've got a picture of the sun on my website, Ed, as taken from about a million miles out from Earth a little earlier today.
		And I'm telling you, it's bananas.
		There are eruptions and sunspots as I have never seen them ever before.
		And of course, you've made some predictions about the sun, which we called the kill shot, or which you called the kill shot.
		So you want to take it from here?
		It is berserk right now, Ed.
		I don't know if you've seen the photos, but they're amazing.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There is something on the horizon.
		We've experimented and played with Techu Remote View over the years.
		It hasn't all been combat situations or military intelligence collection.
		As you can imagine, and we've talked about on your show particularly, many interesting things.
		But among them is an idea, a concept that entertains the idea that remote viewers can't see past a certain point effectively.
		And this point is a point where warring parties on the ground are overcome by events and all of a sudden have new things to think about.
		And everybody's looking up.
		There is a war, a ground war, in the future.
		That's probably what we're about to see now.
		And all the combatants, all of a sudden, on all sides, look up.
		And after that point, much of the earth is covered by roiling clouds.
		And a lot of people fall down, literally fall down.
		Which means to me, if I'm going to interpret it correctly, that the earth slows suddenly, speeds up, jerks, something like that, precesses.
		And a guess that I could take would be that something like the magnetic field collapses or there is a dipole event in the center of the earth where the magnetic core moves, translates that energy through the mantle into the surface of the earth, and people cannot stand up.
		This event happens in the future, and all remote viewers get this.
		That is what is coming.
		Now, we attribute that towards something that is going on on the sun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, most of the things you just named are thought, I think, by science to be triggered by events on our sun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there was a time when you predicted what you called a kill shot from the sun, and people really have that in their memory, and they ask about it all the time.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		This is what I am calling the kill shot.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I am saying that what appears to be an event on the sun, whether it's a mega flare or something that collapses the Earth's magnetic field, I'm not a geophysicist, and even if I were, I don't know if there's any precedent, at least in the last, in recorded history, for this kind of event in memory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you're placing this event now in the center of some sort of large ground war.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I am.
		And I'll stick my neck out on this one and say it looks like this ground war that's about to come.
		Now, this is going to be a long, protracted one.
		And all of us know that.
		But there is a point where everybody's priority changes.
		And this is this event, and I'm talking about a global event with global consequences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I certainly began to think about it as I viewed the current action on the Sun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It brought all that to mind.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But we don't know how far in the future because we can't do that.
		It's outside.
		It's one of the limitations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's always possible that you could be missing this by a war, say, right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It is possible, yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so people should bear that in mind as they listen.
		Is there any way you can look at the current conflict and see the larger picture, Ed?
		In other words, how large a war is this going to be?
		How protracted is it going to be?
		And how successful for us is it going to be?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Too complex for us to do art.
		It's just too complex.
		We deal with precision, and we're detailed men and women.
		And we cannot make those broad brush.
		When we're dealing with that type of complexity, that's outside of our capabilities.
		We can think of a microscope where you can focus on specific details in specific places, myopic in some regards, but very, very detailed.
		We can turn our attention and our focus to specific things, but not to these wide, broad-brush arenas that you're talking about.
		We can't do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will this be something small, I wonder, or are we on the cusp of a third world war of some sort?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess that's one you can't answer also.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I can say only one thing.
		I know that whatever happens, the combatants will be overcome by events that are global in nature.
		Two events we know for sure.
		The aforementioned event that I described in gross terms and disease.
		Diseases, communicable diseases that will ravage us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Also related to what occurs on the sun and I don't know that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that would only be a guess on my part at this juncture.
		But I'm saying that opportunistic diseases will eat us alive, literally.
		And that will be, and I've been saying that for years.
unidentified		I know.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And that's about ready to do it to us.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So while we're fighting each other, we're going to be eaten alive by many microorganisms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And shot at by the sun.
		All right.
		Well, you know, I'll give you this, Ed, you have been absolutely consistent over the years.
		You haven't forgotten things you've said.
		You haven't modified things you've said.
		You continue to say exactly the same things.
		And so you get credit from me for that.
		You're very, very, very consistent.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me remind you of one more thing.
		And that is this.
		We've used technical remote viewing, my teams, over the years to look at some biblical ideas.
		One of them has been the mark of the beast in terms of Christianity.
		This mark of the beast is a very interesting thing because, as you know now, the need for, there's one thing that we can't avoid in this situation, Arnt.
		It's going to be almost impossible, and that's a national ID system.
		We're going to have to close our borders.
		At least in the United States, we must have an ID for every man, woman, and child.
		We must.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're talking about it now, Ed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's going to happen, Arnt.
		There's no way that we can really have any degree of freedom without having this degree of, unfortunately, of control.
		Otherwise, terrorists will be free to move.
		Look at other countries that have this now, and it works.
		But there's something else that we have connected with this ID card.
		On the ID card at a certain point is a stamp.
		And the stamp is that you have received an AIDS vaccination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		An AIDS vaccination.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		A point is reached where I said diseases will ravage us.
unidentified		You did.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And AIDS is one of them.
		There will be probably a polyvalent vaccine, which will, a polyvalent means that the vaccine will include a portion for AIDS, a portion for something else, a portion for whatever diseases, smallpox or whatever are out there.
		Yes, correct.
		And if you do not receive that, that stamp will not be on your ID.
		You won't be able to get a job, and you won't be able to do a lot of other things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people are going to say that's the mark of the beast, you know.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I am telling you that that is what we have derived from our work in using that idea of the mark of the beast to subject it to technical remote viewing.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It is this mark on a card.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think it fits the description?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
		And I think that that's what's coming down.
		And I've talked last show that we did about the false prophet.
		The false prophet is not born of a woman.
		The false prophet in Revelation convinces the majority of people to follow what is called the Antichrist.
		The false prophet is television.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the false prophet is television.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		He is a machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, does that make sense, Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And 666, the mark of the beast.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		If anybody who is trained in remote viewing, and many people are now, but various routes, if you take a look at 666 as a remote viewer, you look at that, it's money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm laughing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounds out of place, I know, but I have been approached recently to do another television program.
unidentified		And I told them it was evil at all television leaves.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Did you actually say that?
unidentified		Yeah, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The people who wanted me to do this is.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is an interesting time.
		I mean, the dogs of war have been unleashed.
		There's a bad moon rising here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I really feel that.
unidentified		Television really maybe is evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I didn't say it was evil.
		I said it is connected with what the prophets 2,500 years ago called the false prophet, the thing not born of a woman that would convince people, was so powerful, it convinced the masses to follow the Antichrist.
		And it turns out when you remote view that, you sketch a television.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, couldn't you loosely call that evil?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to make that.
unidentified		I'm not going to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really have no problem doing it, although I don't really.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'll call it evil.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		What I call evil is ignorance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, something I would love you to work on, Ed, if you get the opportunity, and Maybe you already have, and you can answer the question.
		Free will for human beings versus God's will.
		It is a really, really interesting question.
		In other words, are we, in essence, marionettes at the end of God just sort of dancing us about in some sort of pre-programmed life that we have here?
		Or do we truly have free will?
		And it's important when you look at something like happened September 11th in consideration of, well, why did God let this happen?
		So, hold on.
		We're at the top of the hour, and I'll bring this up with you when we get back.
		Wouldn't you like that answer?
		I certainly would.
		Our will, our free will, versus the will of God.
		Are both true?
		Is only one true?
		You could probably look at that conceptually with remote viewing.
		Anyway, I'm Art Bell.
		We're at the top of the hour, and we'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		We will get phone lines open for Major Ed Dames as the program progresses, so not to worry.
		I want you to be able to ask him questions this night.
		Certainly extremely provocative, what he has remote viewed, that an attack is imminent, that people involved in the attack are actually on their way to target with explosives.
		I choose not to air that here on the program.
		That is to say, the target.
		However, there is a way for you to get the information and or for law enforcement to get it.
		And that is to go to my website, artbell.com.
		Just go to the guest section.
		You'll see Major Ed Dame's name right there.
		If it's tomorrow and you're listening to this as a repeat, you're going to want to go to last night's program info.
		Either way, under Ed Dame's name, you will see the link to his website and it is very graphically laid out for you there.
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		I sense it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People sense it.
unidentified		They call the program.
		There's something going on.
		I can't put my finger on it, but I feel it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about you?
unidentified		It is not our imagination, and the best minds of our time are telling us, in no uncertain terms, that we are living the greatest number of crises ever to face humankind.
		And they're telling us, George, that we've got to act or not much else is going to make any difference.
		Now we take you back to the night of September 27, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell All right, to finish up on this subject, I don't want to spend a lot of time on it, but I am very curious about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Conceptually, Ed, could you look at human beings' free will versus God's will and sort of define it and tell us what the story is?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, the techniques and methods that we use in our work, where we know that all things, even general ideas, exist as patterns of information.
		We could explore those kinds of things, and we have.
		But the data is amorphous at best, and so there's no conclusions to be drawn, and I won't go into all the background information.
		There are interesting studies that have been done.
		That I have led.
		But all I do, and I would not generalize for other people.
		I can only speak for myself.
		I only make decisions for myself.
		And I would be the last person to say that This is the way it is.
		I only know what's true for me, Art.
unidentified		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, my guess would be if Ed Dames has complete free will and God is not ultimately directing him and or yanking on his strings, then that would be probably true for the rest of us as well.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't that's not something that a conclusion that I would draw.
unidentified		I just that would be well how high is the sky?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those kind of questions.
		Listen, here's another important one.
		Because of the incredibly provocative nature of what you have said about a target right now being pursued, Ed, is it possible that you could look again at this group, you know, shortly even, and find out whether what you have made public here on your website is in some way preventing or has prevented this attack from occurring?
		In other words, how long would we have to wait to find out whether we've averted this?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I am not interested in whether or not I've averted it, Art.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We're doing two things.
unidentified		Well, I am.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait.
		I'll elaborate.
		We're doing two things.
		All of our resources are going into two things.
		We're checking daily to look at the next major terror attack site, the planned site on the U.S. mainland.
		Every day we check that out.
		Right now, today, as of today, it still points to the site that I have listed on my site.
		You can go to the USB-CAR.
unidentified		I understand, but number two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ed, if that changes, what I'm asking is, can you tell us right away?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I will tell you right away.
		Whether or not I'll let you know immediately.
		I'll post it on my website.
		Go to on the web, remoteviewing.la is the fastest way to get there.
		And I will fax you any changes.
		But right now there's no change.
		What we are doing, however, we're also looking at the other side of this.
		We're looking at the attackers themselves, the attacking element.
		Where is the terrorist attack element located?
		What kind of weapons do they have?
		Those kinds of things.
		But we want to have chain of custody on them and at least describe, even though we have a four-hour time lag, where they were.
		We know that they were at a campsite, for instance, in the West.
		We couldn't pinpoint the campsite, but at least we can keep our finger, figuratively speaking, on them and keep reporting that to the public.
		Whether or not we're successful at averting or thwarting the attack is not my problem.
		My problem is making sure our information is correct so that somebody else can interview and keep their eyes open.
		For instance, we know, and I won't talk about the site, that this particular plan sees an attack coming from the coast inward.
		They're coming in, possibly at night, with high explosives minimally, toward the target.
		All the eyes at the target are looking up and away are guards on with automatic weapons and a few other things.
		And the response could be very fast at that particular site.
		The government could be there, Johnny on the spot, but not if the attack comes from the seat, because nobody's looking that way, and the attack could be very effective that way.
		Evil can be brilliant, Art.
		Brilliant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Again, this information is contained on Ed Dame's website.
		For obvious reasons, I'm not giving it out on the air.
		I hope everybody understands.
		It is available to you, though, if you have a computer.
		Artbell.com, then to Ed Dame's website very quickly, and that's occurring in mass right now.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And we will continue every day to look at planned terrorist, major terrorist attack sites.
		Terrorist has been defined.
		In the old days, I would say one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, and therefore the idea is not solid enough in the collective unconscious to really be a useful search Term.
		That is not true anymore.
		The World Trade Center disaster catastrophe defined what terrorism means to the collective unconscious, and in no uncertain terms, we can find the next major terrorist attack.
		And they have our full attention now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's, for a second, talk about evil, Ed.
		This is something you might want to look at.
		A lot of people think it's just me that came up with this photograph, but it's not.
		When those planes hit the buildings, Ed, particularly the plane that hit the second tower, there were, because we've got so many people with video cameras now, many, many, many versions, renditions of that plane going into the tower, that horrible moment.
		And in the fireball, or adjacent to the fireball, as a plane hit the second tower, Ed, the pictures are all up in newspapers across the country.
		My website probably had it first.
		There is no question about the fact in an unaltered photograph, there is an evil face in that smoke, Ed.
		I'm sure you've seen the photograph on my website.
		Just about everybody has.
		Have you?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have.
		It appears to be a symbol for what symbolizes, at least to many of us, evolve, yes.
		Yes, I've seen it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Since it is a photograph and a snap of an instant in time, and we know it's unaltered, nobody played with it at all, it's there and it's plain for anybody to see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ed, could you take that photograph and work on the angle of whether there is really some evil, true evil at work at that moment?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we actually could.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We could take the photograph and circle it and use that as a target reference and research it using techno-remote viewing methods and see what's behind it, if anything at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, were we seeing some horrible coincidence of some kind?
		Just, you know, occasionally you can see faces in smoke, but my God, is this clear?
		Nobody would look at this and not see it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		And I think things like this happen all the time.
		We're certainly aware of what appears to be what any reasonable person would call the supernatural is certainly real.
		We're just an extension of that, and it's an extension of our dimension.
		And the stuff's out there.
		We know.
		But, yeah, so we could take a look at that art if we get time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The act itself surely seems easily described as evil, absolute evil.
		The killing of all those innocents on the plane, in the buildings.
		It was an instant of evil, if there is such a thing.
		And for that apparition to be there in the smoke is pretty startling to the average person, Ed.
		So I'd love to know if it means something.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It could be a, yes, I would agree.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		As a symbol, it's pretty meaningful if we're seeing what we're seeing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If we're seeing what we're seeing, that's what I want to know.
		Okay, I thought I'd just put that on your assignment desk.
		Ed, what else would you like to get out tonight before we get to phones?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I just want to make I would like to make clear to people who I am and what I'm doing.
		Because that may not be the the sunken city off of Cuba and some revelations we had about what that's connected to, those kinds of things.
		I think they're interesting.
		But as a SI spy master, my responsibility now is totally in support of the Matrix Intelligence Agency, a commercial intelligence collection agency, to make sure that we at least inform the public about where another major attack in the continental United States is planned and where the attacking elements are.
		That's number one.
		My role as the director of the Technical Remote Viewing Institute is as an educator, to maintain a center for excellence and to teach people these skills as a profession.
		But Mind Dazzle, the kit that we commercially produce, is also extending this education to the public to demonstrate to individuals what human potential really means.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's go ahead and plug that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell them about Mind Dazzle, what it is, and how to get it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Mind Dazzle is an amazing kit.
		It's a technical remote viewing kit that out of the box allows you to prove to yourself that you can remote view.
		It shows you, it gives you some insight into what I do for a living and what 20 years and many millions of dollars of government funds have produced.
		In essence, a key to unlock a person's psychic skills.
		And that is what one, that is something that my colleagues and I sell as a product.
		And some of the proceeds go toward the support of Operation Goldeneye, which is...
		All right, I've got it.
		Duly recorded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So she has been giving me massage, and she has been using a special kind of oil, but I don't want to...
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I said it appeared to be an ointment.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And so I'm going to take a look at it.
unidentified		Yeah.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And I also said it was unfortunate that sometimes there isn't any optimum path to recovery.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's the best thing that's out there right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		Okay.
		Very good.
		With that, what's to the Rockies?
		You're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is Ed, and Aloha from Wahili.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Honolulu.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Okay.
		This kill shot that he was talking about earlier, one of the things that he was talking about was a collapse of the Earth's magnetic field or something like that.
		Yes.
		And I was just wondering, because a while back I was seeing on TV how geographic samples taken from the ocean floor, from that they've learned that approximately every 10,000 years the Earth has a sudden or almost instantaneous shift in polarity.
		And could that, it might be a reach, but could that be a possible precedence for what he's talking about there?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's as possible as anything else.
		Like I said, I'm not a solar physicist or even a geophysicist.
		And even if I were, we have not been able to describe exactly what is going on geophysically when this event occurs.
		So I just don't know any more than what I've said already.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how does the information specifically manifest itself?
		In other words, with respect to the kill shot from the sun, how does that information manifest?
		Is there somebody sketching something out that you then conclude means this?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes it is.
		And people that use Mind Dazzle, the remote viewing training kit, they do that in a rudimentary sense all the time.
		But we do it in a highly professional using protocols that are very tight and very structured.
		And yes, we actually do sketch the elements that are connected with the phenomenon itself.
		So we'll sketch the sun, we'll sketch the earth, we'll sketch things between them and have to investigate what's going on between the two entities, those kinds of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we might see an actual sketch of the sun and the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that correct?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		You might see that.
		You might see sketching the earth wobbling, sketching the earth turning, sketching a viewer might be attracted to the inside of the earth.
		And this is all done automatically, and all trained remote viewers do the same thing based upon whatever the task is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, is there any way there could be a massive screw-up?
		And by that I mean this.
		Here's a picture of what appears to be the sun and the earth, but in some way it gets misinterpreted.
		In other words, it's not really the sun and the earth, it's something else with some sort of interaction going on.
		Do you follow me?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		There are so many pitfalls in this business and so many bad calls.
		But when you operate over, when all remote viewers that have been trained come up with the same sketches and the majority of them say this is the earth and the sun and the others say this is a golf ball and this is a you know a beach ball together on a grass somewhere, then you can draw certain conclusions and that's what we've done over many, many test cases.
unidentified		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I think that'll help a lot of people, me included.
		First time caller line, you're on here with Major Ed Damson Art Belt.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well you've been listening, right?
unidentified		Yeah, well I was woken up early this morning and told to listen to the show.
		I work for a government agency here on the East Coast.
		Okay.
		I'm kind of, I want to play the devil's advocate and ask a few questions.
		I've been looking at the website, also been kind of analyzing the conversation here.
		All right, if you've seen the website, please don't name on the Mind Dazzle website, the words U.S. government-sponsored research program.
		That's one question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, let's answer that one.
		Remote viewing for 10 years, sir, at the tune of $20 million, was government-sponsored.
		It was, I think, the CIA, wasn't it, Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It was CIA first, and then the Army.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But all that's all, all that's cited in all the papers and all the documents, all you have to do is do some homework, push some buttons on a search engine and it's all right there for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, as a matter of fact, the news was broken about remote viewing on Ted Coppel's Nightline several years ago, sir.
unidentified		I did see that.
		I was just kind of curious of where this stands as of now as far as being, is it still being practiced?
		Is it still being looked into by the government?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, it is not.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Not by this government, but by the Chinese government it is.
unidentified		And is there a specific reason why this has been discontinued by our government?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's all right there for your leisurely perusal on many websites and many documents and many documentaries, including the Discovery Channel.
unidentified		Okay, one more quick question.
		Also, the word theory has been used several times.
		I've been reading through your website here briefly.
		I'm just curious.
		You keep saying that we, and also when I've gone to the website, you've plugged on the show here your product, the remote viewing training kit, a few times.
		I'm having a hard time getting into the website now.
		It just seems like this is a product, a business for you.
		During this time of war and situation that we're in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is no question it is a product and business.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is.
		That is one of the ways I draw my livelihood, is by selling that kit.
		I get royalties on that kit.
		That's true.
		Capitalizing on other people's grief and catastrophy.
unidentified		Well, as far as this is going to be such a scale of an attack that you're talking about, I guess that would be kind of pointless at this point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would be pointless, sir?
unidentified		Making money off of this.
unidentified		It seems like a lot of callers have been several longer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, wait a minute now.
		This is not some new introduction since 911.
		You've been selling this kit for, what, Ed, about six or eight months or even longer.
unidentified		Okay.
		I guess what is he trying to accomplish?
		And I appreciate your show.
		I've listened to your show before, but I guess what is he trying to accomplish with this show tonight as far as what's happening around the country?
		And I'm only simply...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, the answer to that, I...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's trying to avert this attack by making it public.
unidentified		Has he gone to government officials and said, hey, look, this is what's happening?
unidentified		And what have they said if he has?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And those questions have been answered already.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'll answer them again, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The answer is yes, he has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gone to government officials.
unidentified		And have they responded?
unidentified		And why have we not seen this or anybody has talked about this except on this show tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you wouldn't honestly expect the government to admit that, would you?
unidentified		At this point, I don't know what I'm expecting out of my government.
		And I hope Major Dames does not take it the wrong way.
		I'm simply playing the other half of the 30% out there that are saying, what is this guy really about?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's probably closer to 40%.
unidentified		Okay.
		I hope you're not taking offense to that.
		I'm just a little curious and a little, I guess, concerned.
		I hope you're wrong.
		And I'm not.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate you being concerned, and I appreciate you being skeptical.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Those are very healthy attitudes, and that will keep you alive and help more people are like you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you know, there also will be a group, if this attack does not happen, they'll say, see, it didn't happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I presume to that you will say, yes, it didn't happen, and here's why.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, I won't say, here's why, Art.
		I'll just be too busy looking at other prospective events, planned attacks.
		We are not predicting.
		This is not auguring the future.
		We're looking at the planned attack.
		And these plans are well thought out.
		There's a lot of work that goes into their execution and planning.
		This is what's on the docket right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hey, Art.
		This is Curtis in Western Maryland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Curtis.
unidentified		Yes.
		It's been quite a while since I called in.
		It's been a real pleasure hearing you back on the air.
		Great to have you back.
		Thank you.
		Ed, I've got a couple of questions for you as far as the remote viewing and psychic abilities.
		Myself being a practicing psychic and being on the, I guess, the 60% that we're talking about here, I would like to know if you know of any cases where a fine-tuned psychic would go through the training and would there be any difference as far as the way that they're able to take on the training of remote viewing and have you ever found them?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a commonly asked question and the answer is that if someone on a bell curve we're all born with different skills.
		Some people are better track runners than others, on and on and on.
		We know this.
		And some people are born more psychic than others, more tuned in.
		Some of those people have a problem.
		If you're too far above average, you can walk down the street and go into information overload, be empathetic, be an empath, pick up the feelings of all the people around you, and your life can be miserable.
		You can be paranoid after a while.
		For the most part, people like yourself are just above average in terms of psychic ability, and they'd like to do something with that.
		If they're willing to undergo the discipline of training, we were talking about if we were to put someone through straight two months of training, if they were to undergo the discipline of two months of remote viewing training, the natural psychics like yourself could become all-stars rather than just professionals.
		And what that means as far as we're concerned is in a given period of time, usually about an hour's worth of work, the all-stars would be able to produce about twice as much detailed information than professionals like myself.
		That's what we mean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Arabella, good morning.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Hello, Art and Ed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Keith from Hamilton, Ontario.
unidentified		If I can, I'd like to ask two quick questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		First, Bin Laden, he could be a nomad and sneaking from various locations.
		I'm curious as to, no matter where he resides, can your team or viewers find his location at any given moment?
		And second, my question, Canada has the second most terror cells.
		Have you remote viewed anything of note of any destruction to Canada?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		No.
		No and no on the second point, no.
		We haven't done anything.
		We haven't looked at Canada or anything addressed that question whatsoever.
		Osama bin Laden, we have not looked for.
		We have only looked for the attackers the mainland United States and their location.
		So we have not associated those attackers with Osama bin Laden nor have we associated the attack on the World Trade Center with Osama bin Laden.
		Only the location of the people that funded and controlled it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a wildcard line around here with Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		Good evening Art and Major Ed.
		I have two questions regarding remote viewing.
		First, a little change of subject.
		Has Major Ed remote viewed the recent crop circle formations in England?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, oh, oh.
unidentified		And second, has Major Ed ever remote viewed Flight 800?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, both good questions.
		With respect to the recent crop circles, it does seem to me you looked at that phenomena at one point.
		There were some spectacular recent ones, Ed, which I'm sure you know about.
		How would you answer that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Two phenomena, enigmatic phenomena that my team members, my students, my team members and myself have never been able to really understand have been animal mutilations and crop circles.
		They are extremely fascinating, but I'm sorry to say that I do not understand them.
		And, you know, there's lots of mysteries in time and space, and I don't expect who wants to know everything.
		These are two things I don't understand.
		We have a plethora of information, but it's not coming together in any recognizable pattern.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, when the whole world was saying that they were certain that Flight 800 was shot from the sky, you did, in fact, remote view what had happened to Flight 800.
		And boy, you hit that one on the head.
		I remember that.
		You want to tell everybody?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Flight 800 was brought down by a mechanical failure of the air-driven pump in System 3.
		That's the right inboard engine.
		It has a pump, a fuel pump there.
		That fuel pump disintegrated like the connecting, like the crankshaft in the engine in your car in a freak accident.
		It fractured the housing, the pump housing.
		It spewed fuel all over the place.
		It aerosolized the fuel and the stoichiometry of that fuel-air mixture was such that the kerosene and the air together created this big mist, which was ignited by the sparks that were flying off from this disintegrating metal housing.
		When that was ignited, the explosion ignited the fuel tank in the right wing, and the fireball migrated into the main fuel tank.
		That's how TWA-800 came down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'd like to remind everybody, you said that at a time when everybody else was saying something entirely different, and there had been no ruling yet by long shot, so people might remember that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		And Major Ed Dames.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
unidentified		It's a joy and an honor to speak to someone like you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, go right ahead, ma'am.
unidentified		Yes.
		I have a question.
		Is there any way that a person can remote view while they're sleeping?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Not the way we do it.
		In fact, it's an attention management skill, and it requires you to be highly alert.
		Eyes wide open, standing up straight at the table, very, very attentive.
unidentified		Okay, then I must be getting something else because I feel, you know, I have these dreams all the time.
		And I had a dream before this happened.
		And matter of fact, I had it about two years before it happened.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a very common thing, as you know.
unidentified		It is?
unidentified		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Very, very common.
unidentified		Wow.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it has been throughout.
		Unconscious is our best friend.
		We, that part of ourselves, that is our best friend.
		It tries its best to keep us alive.
		It tries its best to keep us straight.
		We just don't listen to it.
unidentified		But, you know, I have a son, and, well, I have three sons.
		And two of them were in the Air Force, and one is out, and one is still in.
		And David called me.
		He says, Mom, don't worry.
		He said, we got him.
		He said, don't worry.
		He says, tell the whole world if you want to.
		We're going to get him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		What's the Rockies?
		You're on the air with Major Ed Deans.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Mark in Las Vegas listening to you on KDWN 720.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The alma mater, yes, Mark.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		Major Deans, a couple years ago, you talked about a remote viewing of Jesus, and I don't remember much of it, so I'll ask real three quick questions.
		After the viewing, how did you feel personally, and what did you see?
		Was he Caucasian, African, tall, short, and things along that line?
		Then the second question is, there's a lady in my life who has something within her locked up, and I can't get to it to fully understand who she is.
		Do I start with MindSpring or do I contact your company?
		I'll listen to it off the air.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Mind Dazzle, the remote screen kit, is not going to help someone diagnose an illness or follow-on kits will do that, but the FASA kit is not going to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is just really, Mind Dazzle is just to see, to demonstrate to you that you have the talent, right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And teach you how to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With respect to remote viewing of Jesus.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Many of my students and trainees over the years and myself were interested in whether or not this was a real person.
		Was Jesus of Nazareth a real person, figment of somebody's imaginary legend, all that, despite what was out there.
		And he was a real person.
		You know, we never addressed the issue of race, though.
		We'd have to actually turn our attention to that, sketch the person, and then get an idea and a sense for color of skin, those kinds of things.
		We never did that.
unidentified		I haven't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be actually kind of interesting, wouldn't it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think that it would be, yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		you can't think of everything, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but you did confirm that Jesus was a real being that walked on earth, right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi.
		Hi.
		I'm in Houston, which is probably not a real, I don't feel real safe here right now.
		It's kind of scary.
		This would probably not be the on the on the end on the last part of a target list.
		But about 15 years ago, maybe longer, I had a, I was washing dishes in my kitchen.
		I stopped just road, and I just saw a fiery plane accident, and it wasn't in the ground.
		And then I saw people falling.
		And it was so significant to me that I wrote it down.
		And like I said, this is like 15 years ago or so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is significant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when you're moved to write it down, it's...
unidentified		I mean, I've always had intuitions and things, but I didn't know how to read them.
		I just didn't even really figure them out.
		And as I get older, they get real strong, especially this last year.
		So anyways, after this happened on the 11th, the next day I started writing down because I was very consumed with what was popping into my mind.
		So I started writing things down.
		And I don't know if I'm sure there is a lot of significance in it because nothing, about two or three days afterwards, most of what I said started unfolding on the news, but not prior to that, even up until yesterday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how many people are there like this young lady walking around?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's actually all of us, except the signal strength, so to speak, is number one.
		Signal strength varies from person to person, and also the amount of attention, the amount of attentiveness that someone would give to that signal varies from person to person.
		So a lot of variables, but we're all psychic in those terms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To some degree or another, a lot of people actually put up barriers against it, don't they?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, they find it extremely disconcerting, and subconsciously they throw up barriers.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, not only that, even when it's demonstrated in your face, a very high official in the U.S. government was briefed on the existence of what was a top secret program, the psychic intelligence program that we had.
		And this man literally went sheet white and said, man should not know this until he dies.
		And he was an august scientist, Nobel laureate.
		Scared the heck out of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		Wildcardline, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames and Art Bell.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		This is Dietrich from Orlando, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I have a couple of things because I'm actually a longtime fan of Dr. Doom, and I say that affectionately.
		I've listened to him on your show numerous times, and he's been right on the money more times than I care to place a wager on.
		And one thing I was wondering is, if remember it serves me correctly, he had discussed the use of a nuclear device in an aggressive act in Pakistan or at least that area of the world.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		On the Korean peninsula.
unidentified		That's on the Korean one?
unidentified		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, I just wanted to make sure that, because I thought it was Pakistan for some reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, Korea.
unidentified		Okay.
		And another thing is, as far as the training stuff goes, does he recommend just starting with the mind dazzle and then moving into doing other things?
		And does he ever do anything on the east coast?
		Because I noticed most of the stuff on his website's on the west coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, that's because he bounces between the Sandwich Islands and the West Coast, right, Ed?
unidentified		I do.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And I actually, I will tell you why I prefer the Los Angeles area.
		Because it is tremendously charged with creativity and with talent.
		And if you want to get something done, Los Angeles happens to be the best spot in the world to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever it is.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames and R. Patty.
unidentified		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Quakertown, Pennsylvania.
		Okay.
		Comment on what Ed Dames was viewing to the future, and he didn't see anything after the end of the system.
		It's a crossover.
		We will be entering a true New World Order of true peace on this planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I certainly hope you're correct.
unidentified		You will be able to walk across the Serengeti plains and play with the big cats just the same as you play with a kitten in the true New World Order.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, Ed, you know, is that possible that this, I think we've one time called it a sort of a discontinuity which you cannot see past.
		Is it possible that it could be good past that point as well as I guess it could, couldn't it?
		It's equally possible.
		It could be something good that comes about on the other side, something wonderful, as they say.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Our sense is, yes.
		Our sense is that after this terrible period that we go through, and it is terrible, I feel very bad, that yes, that's the sense.
		So whether or not I'll be around to see it, I don't know.
		But the question I have is, when we rebuild, if we rebuild with the same attitudes and we make the same mistakes again, what good is it?
		We need better teachers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a very good point.
		All right.
		We're coming toward the end of it here, Ed.
		So let's, one more time, I'm going to let you plug Mind Dazzle.
		And I'm, as you know, very appreciative of your coming on the air, particularly when you have critical information.
		Mind Dazzle is a simple little kit that you'll have a lot of fun with.
		It's got how many sealed envelopes in it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		180.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		180.
		With specific targets that you can test your own skills on.
		And it's kind of neat.
		If you want to order it, it's in America.
		You call 1-866.
		It's a toll-free number.
		866-800-6463.
		If you're in Canada, you call area code 626-577-5742.
		And operators are, as they say, standing by now, and I assume generally during the day.
		Is that right, Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And you can go to the MindDazzle website via your own or go to minddazzle.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The MindDazzle site, I believe, is still up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The rest of everything has crash-olded.
unidentified		Well, we'll fix it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then hacked it.
		And it'll probably be fixed.
		What would you say?
		Later in the day, today?
unidentified		Perhaps.
unidentified		We'll fix it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The important thing was that the information got to the authorities and to the people in that particular community.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, so everybody should rest assured it is with the authorities now, as it certainly should be.
		And I hope they're taking it seriously.
		Would you imagine they are, Ed?
		Do you have feedback on that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		If...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, very quickly, east of the Rockies, we may have time for one quick call.
unidentified		Do you have a quick question?
unidentified		Go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quickly, turn your radio off.
unidentified		Yes.
		Okay, the question is.
		Is there a way for him to come on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, ask.
unidentified		Thanks.
		I just wanted to find out, Major James, what type of perception is used, meaning is it usually visual images that the group of people focusing on an object are getting?
		Is it visual images by and large?
		What is the perception?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Go to the Mind Dazzle website and look at the examples there.
		Those are basic, fundamental examples, but they form the foundation for everything that we do.
		As advanced as we get, that's the foundation.
		You'll see that in the examples at the Mind Dazzle website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good, short answer.
		Thank you, Ed, and as always, thank you for being here tonight.
		It was a rough one to do in a lot of ways, and so thank you, my friend.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think we're still both numb.
		I know I am.
		So this is not the real me, but I'll be back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, Ed.
		And we'll all be back.
		I'm Art Bell.

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