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Sept. 14, 2001 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Open Lines - Callers Respond and React to 911, Day 4

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	We've been watching by these pages.
	The lawyers dwell on small details.
	Since daddy had to fly.
	I'm a-puttin' you a place where we can go.
	girl And still I'm just a man.
	So watch the clouds roll by.
	And the darkness fades in the wind.
	And you can lay your head back on the ground.
	And let your hair fall all around you.
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	This is the end This is the end Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255, east of the Rockies 1-800-825-5033.
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	I thought this would be an appropriate song to open with.
	Good morning, everybody.
	Pure open lines this hour.
	I'm Art Bell.
	After a very, very... This is the end of Innocence and this week.
	It's been a rough one.
	I wonder how it's gone for you.
	As if I don't know.
	It really has been.
	It's been one of the roughest weeks of my life because Until last night, when I just fell into bed and went away for about 10 hours, I had had about 6 hours sleep, maybe, since Tuesday morning at 8.30, when I awoke to all this.
	And I imagine it was much the same for many of you out there.
	A couple of questions to just ponder as we begin.
	What have we learned from all of this so far?
	Anybody have any thoughts on that?
	What have we learned from this?
	Have we come away with what's happened so far with any critical information that is going to help us to either prevent it or change history from causing something like this to happen again?
	I wonder.
	And this comes under the category of religious extremism.
	There and here.
	I would not have even brought this to your attention tonight Unless I knew for sure it was true, and I'll tell you how I know in a moment.
	From the, well, I'm going to tell you now.
	The Washington Post has printed this, and until I went to the Washington Post site and I read it for myself, I didn't believe it.
	I read this and I just didn't believe it.
	Fortunately, there was a link there to the Washington Post site, and so I know it's true.
	But it's incredible.
	Television evangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, two of the most prominent voices of the religious right, said liberal civil liberties groups, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters bear partial responsibility for Tuesday's terrorist attacks because their actions have turned God's anger against America.
	Quote, God continues to lift the curtain And allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve, said Falwell, appearing yesterday at the Christian Broadcast Network 700 Club, hosted by Robertson.
	Jerry Robertson responded, that's my feeling.
	I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror.
	We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population.
	Falwell said, can you imagine that?
	We haven't even, uh, we have not yet begun to see what they can do to the major population.
	Aye aye, Falwell said the American Civil Liberties Union has got to take a lot of blame for this.
	Again, winning Robertson's agreement.
	Well, yes, he said, and it goes on and on.
	That's just the article, a little tiny bit of the article.
	Yes, indeed.
	Religious extremism.
	there and here.
	Somehow thunder works well in the night.
	Oh, by the way, I did get that photograph that I wanted to get last night that had been running on CNN.
	Oh, and by the way, for those of you that don't believe this story, the one I just read about the televangelists, go to my website under tonight's guest info, since there is none.
	We've got the link to the Washington Post site with this story more than I actually read.
	Pretty wild stuff.
	On the first time caller line, you're on the air.
	Good evening, morning, whatever.
	Morning, Art.
	Hi.
	I won't ask you that question, how are you, because we all know how we all are.
	Thank you.
	Got a thought that no one else has really, that I've heard mentioned.
	Is it possible somebody's playing this for the fool?
	You know, just before you go on, something just occurred to me.
	If you don't say, when you first get on the phone, Art, how are you?
	Then you actually have to say, I won't ask you how you are.
	Yeah.
	Am I right?
	You've got to start it with something.
	We're programmed to say, how are you?
	And when we begin a phone call or get on the air or something like that, we're just programmed that way.
	You're right.
	And if we don't say that, then we are forced to say what you just did.
	We feel guilty.
	The thought I had was a really scary thought that there's maybe someone out there that's just Wanting us to get into it with somebody else, just so we both bomb the hell out of each other.
	And it may not even be what we think it is.
	It may be someone else saying, hey, just let them go at it.
	Well, they're beginning now, sir, to develop an awful lot of very serious evidence about who did this.
	I mean, many, many suspects, even now, I hear at the top of this hour.
	The material witness just arrested, they really are beginning to know conclusively who did this.
	Do you doubt that?
	No, I don't.
	It's just a terrible thought I had.
	Like all other people's thoughts, they're not always true.
	It's just something we think.
	What if?
	Can I bug you with something else really quick?
	I don't know if you've covered this either.
	I just tuned in.
	I got an email about a Nostradamus prediction.
	You've already seen it, I'm sure.
	Yes.
	Just read me a tiny bit of it.
	In the year of the new century and nine months, from the sky will come a great king of terror.
	In the city of York, there will be a great collapse.
	That is a totally bogus hunk of email.
	Throw it in the trash can.
	All right?
	Good.
	Thank you very much for the call, sir, and take care.
	It's like a virus.
	This false baloney generated by somebody and said to be a direct quote of Nostradamus, it is simply untrue.
	There are seeds of truth in it.
	Only.
	Seeds of truth.
	The majority of it is totally bogus.
	Throw it away.
	Delete it.
	Send it into the ether.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi Art, is this you?
	It is me!
	How is ya?
	So you prove our point.
	Yeah, just a couple things.
	I read that article, that link there, and both those two and that other fellow over there in Afghanistan, they're all purveyors of fear.
	It really does come across that way.
	There are obviously different points of view, but in a lot of ways, Man, they're really similar.
	I can stand on the corner in self-fear all day.
	I have a little something here from Mr. Bin Laden, and this was his dogma.
	Personal present, sir?
	Pardon?
	Personal present?
	Personal?
	Yeah, personal present from Mr. Bin Laden.
	No, no, this is his dogma.
	It's ages long.
	It's ridiculous, but just a short piece.
	It says, Our Lord, the people of the cross, had come with their horses and occupied the
	land of the two holy places.
	And the Zionist Jews, fiddling as they wish with the Al-Aqsa Mosque, the root of the Ascendance
	of the Messenger of Allah.
	Then he goes on, Lord, shatter their gathering, divide them among themselves, shaken the earth
	under their feet, and give us control over them and their children.
	See now, I read what I read, and you read what you read, and when you put them together, they're not really all that far apart, but they're the lords smiting down the bad guys.
	That is exactly my point.
	They are purveyors of fear.
	Now, I will be honest with you.
	I'm concerned, I was shocked, I was horrified, but I am not terrified.
	I had my Big Mac Extra Value Meal, and I watched all this on my color TV, and I'm not going to change my life one bit for that guy.
	Not one stinking bit.
	It's his life we're about to change.
	Right.
	And what we're going to find out is the non... is the alien people of Islam that are in this country.
	When they see the violence that is going to be purveyed on some of these nations that support these terrorists, When they come forward and start crying about all the violence and everything, then you'll know they're true colors.
	Indeed.
	They'll wave up that flag a little bit now, but when it really starts to fly, when they get on there, oh please, you're just too much.
	I appreciate your call, sir.
	You bet.
	Have a good morning.
	That was a good call.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Francis calling from Western Pennsylvania.
	How are you, Francis?
	Good.
	It's a very sad day for the United States, but on a lighter note, I'm very happy that you're back on the air.
	Thank you.
	What I wanted to say was this.
	I had lived in New York for 10 years, in Manhattan and also in Brooklyn, and the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center were always such a reassuring presence to anyone in the city.
	Some guy called me the other night and said they were an eyesore.
	Actually, I sort of thought they reminded me of big, expensive stereo speakers.
	Well, however you felt about them, now they're gone, and it doesn't feel good when you look at the skyline of New York City, does it?
	Exactly, it doesn't.
	What I wanted to just say was, basically, I remember Vietnam as if it were yesterday, and I just wanted to say this, that it's very easy to go to war.
	It's very difficult to get to the peace table.
	Well, I do wonder, sir, what kind of war it will be.
	These people do fight a vicious war.
	but uh... if ben lothan or who never did this uh... attack on the united states
	i just hope that we can permit reconfirm it and reconfirm it again before we send
	our troops in well i do wonder i do wonder sir what kind of war it will be
	these people uh... do fight uh... of vicious war you know we have uh...
	uh... fairly recent examples of that uh...
	They really fight a vicious war.
	We're going to have to put people in on the ground.
	None of this caution is meant to suggest that I'm not prepared to do what has to be done.
	I sure am.
	Because this guy has to go.
	And probably Afghanistan has to be punished.
	But we better know what we're getting in for.
	Exactly.
	Because if we look back in the last hundred years regarding Afghanistan, Great Britain, at the height of the empire, lost two conflicts with Afghanistan.
	Russia, in the 19th century, lost a conflict with Afghanistan, and we know that in the late 1970s through the 1980s, the Soviet Union also lost in Afghanistan.
	And one thing too, before I hang up, I wanted to say that what I find especially difficult and painful is the fact that the United States and the CIA set up bin Laden Uh, you know, to fight the Soviets.
	And, uh, it's just, I really question, in a sense, our leadership when we attempt to, you know, entangle ourselves in other regional conflicts.
	And, uh... Well, I... As I said, it's... Yeah, but listen, I don't regret assisting Afghanistan against the Soviet Union.
	When they were the Soviet Union, I don't regret that.
	I do regret abandoning them.
	And apparently that's a lot of the resentment they feel, or at least some of it.
	Yes.
	Well, logistically, it appears to be a very difficult region because we have many enemies in the area.
	You bet we do, and they're not to be discarded as an enemy because of the kind of fight that it would be.
	To get Ben Laden to clean out the nest of vipers is going to require troops.
	I watched a general earlier today on CNN.
	Say exactly that.
	In fact, he kind of drew a circle where he thinks Bin Laden is, and where you would have to land your troops, or from what point you would launch them.
	So yes, it's quite something that we're all preparing to jump into.
	A lot of us would do well to remember the history of the area.
	And again, that's not to say that I'm thinking we shouldn't do it, because I'm locked in, locked and loaded, Ready to go.
	Like most Americans.
	There's no way in hell they're getting away with this.
	But it's gonna be a battle.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Yeah, Stephen Phoenix.
	Hi, Stephen.
	Really?
	Yeah, why, I hear you fine.
	I know you have trouble with that West of the Rockies button.
	Uh, yeah, the button is sticky.
	I got three real quick points.
	I'm getting used to it, though.
	Yes, go ahead.
	First off, I don't want justice.
	I don't want an extradition.
	I don't want a trial.
	I want all of these people... Dead.
	Dead.
	You need to send a message to the world.
	We need to jump on their neck with both feet.
	We need to send a message so shocking, no one will dare step on our soil again.
	I absolutely agree with that.
	You know, everybody's saying it now in Washington, and they rarely do, this is war.
	Do you know, about an hour ago I saw a crawl on CNN at the bottom, and they're thinking of re-issuing war bonds.
	My second point is that We need to redesign these aircraft.
	I mean, remember the old railroad cars where you go in and nine of you sit facing each other and you close the door and lock it behind you?
	Maybe that's what we need for aircraft.
	Separate the cockpit completely separate so there's no way you can enter the cockpit from the passenger cabin.
	Somebody who called me yesterday suggested Kevlar.
	Well, just get rid of the door completely.
	I mean, have an exterior door that they enter through.
	There's no reason for the crew to have to deal with the passengers while they're trying to fly the plane.
	I don't think anything that radical needs to be done.
	In other words, no way for the crew to get back into the airplane.
	I think that they can make that bulkhead and that door secure.
	It's going to mean an extra weight, you know.
	And so the fuel ratio is going to change a little bit, but it's just something they're going to have to do.
	Yeah, it's time for a next generation of aircraft, considering the threat.
	I really think that's a completely intelligent... Thank you.
	There have been several suggestions made.
	One fellow called and suggested there should be a way for the pilot, essentially, to cause everybody in the rear of the plane to instantly begin to saw logs.
	I mean, flip a switch, and basically everybody goes to sleep.
	I think they do have agents that will accomplish that very quickly.
	Now, you could argue that somebody could push the button on a bomb if they had one.
	Even in the few seconds between once realizing you're being put out.
	But basically, it could solve an awful lot of situations.
	After all, you wouldn't expect too many bombs to be getting on airplanes anymore, would you?
	Because of the tightened security.
	So they're reduced down to knives and box cutters and such.
	Under those circumstances, a switch like that, with a result like that, would have resulted in perhaps a Twin Tower still standing, and you know, if such a technology exists, I just have a feeling that it does, and solidifying the bulkhead and the door would seem also very intelligent.
	Now, I understand in case of loss of pressure, there could be a differential resulting, so you'd have to... I think there Aren't they pressurized separately, anyway?
	After all, if the rear of the plane loses pressure, if you can do it, you want to ensure that the pilots don't conk out, right?
	Well, I don't know.
	I'll have to have somebody who knows about that.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hello, Art.
	This is Desmond from London, Ontario, Canada.
	Yes, sir.
	Just calling to say Canada wishes their full best and that we're working really up here at all the blood services To our part.
	Canadians have been big friends during all of this.
	Yeah, as soon as I worked at Canadian Blood Services, and as soon as the news hit, we got the calls, we were at work, and it's just been flooded with people coming and donating blood.
	Well, that's absolutely incredible.
	It's incredible to know you're there.
	It's incredible to know you all give us that kind of support.
	And I really do want to personally also thank you for all of the Americans that you've sheltered during the period when they landed on your territory and couldn't come home.
	Yeah, we have them in about every province.
	Well, thank you.
	It's a pleasure talking to you, Art.
	Take care.
	Bye-bye.
	Holy mackerel!
	I hear a truck going down the highway!
	Yes, you do!
	Where are you?
	Well, right now I'm going to Arizona, headed towards Phoenix.
	You need a little soundproofing in there!
	Sorry about that!
	Is that better?
	Well, not that much better, sir.
	What's up?
	We have very little time here.
	Well, my question is, okay, like you said, I'm driving a truck out here.
	If it comes down to war, you know, they say America is running, you know, trucks right america
	well he got him
	the out here but there's a great you know a few thousand arabs out here driving these
	truck out here on the road now i mean what are we going to do about them i mean
	uh... you stop these trucks america stops and if we go to war
	there's going to be one of them you stop the supply lines what happens
	alright sir i've got to hold it right there uh...
	hot you know that's pretty dangerous things say because the suggestion of
	course is that because people are arab extraction out there driving trucks
	outward for that need of war breaks out i i I don't think it works that way.
	I really don't.
	They're not all terrorists out there.
	they're really not the
	the the
	In a drama I'm a sorrow in the world of our wives
	But you think I should be happy with your money and your name
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	Anybody notice from America Under Attack, CNN has now graduated to America's New War, and they're asking somebody a question now.
	I think it says behind it, should the U.S.
	retaliate?
	I can't make out whether that says retaliate, but I think it does.
	I'm just guessing, of course.
	What a question!
	Should the U.S.
	retaliate?
	Duh!
	We'll be right back.
	We're being called America's new war now.
	You know, Every nation propagandizes its people, and we do it too, make no mistake about that.
	We definitely propagandize.
	In this case, there's not much propaganda necessary, because these bastards attacked New York City.
	Killed thousands of people.
	So they don't have to propagandize us to get us into it, but nevertheless, I still wonder who makes up these slogans.
	Is there some kind of committee, media committee?
	You see, I'm pretty high in the media, but I'm not apparently high enough to get invited into those conversations, you know, where they make up the slogans.
	Somewhere, somebody has to decide what the slogan is going to be.
	And I guess they all take a shot at it, and whoever's slogan takes, they all then use.
	Is that the way it works?
	There's America under attack, right?
	That's pretty obvious.
	But now it's America's new war.
	on cnn that headlines and some somewhere
	somebody or group of somebody's sit down and decide what's going to be used
	it seems to be universal i wonder if i could ever get high enough in the media to be
	included in one of these
	decision meetings west of the rockies you're on the air hello
	it's good to hear from you uh... where i'm i'm i'm hearing from you
	Oh, that's great, too.
	Hey, I want to talk about the first caller.
	He said he started talking about wool being pulled over our eyes.
	Oh, yes.
	And, boy, I've been thinking about this a lot.
	Who's going to profit the most from the U.S.
	getting involved here or the removal of the Arab terrorist threat?
	Who will profit the most?
	Well, it's always good to follow the money.
	Well, I don't know.
	It kind of depends on what's done.
	I suppose you're wanting to suggest the military-industrial complex?
	No, I'm looking for Zionists.
	Oh, you're at the Zionists.
	Yeah.
	And you have all these children, you know, working independently here.
	Do they know who their money comes from?
	Why would Zionists benefit the most?
	I mean, really, after all... Getting the U.S.
	involved in the Anti-Terrorist Act.
	These guys are so paranoid over there and worried about terrorists.
	So, I suppose, then, that you're going to suggest to me that Israel did this.
	No, I'm throwing this out.
	Well, I don't think that's what you're trying to throw out, though.
	Come on, let's call a spade a spade, shall we?
	Okay, I won't deny that.
	Thank you, goodbye.
	I knew exactly where you were going!
	of course he thought is it yes israel
	uh... and i all these of these arabs to do this for
	uh... only on talk radio First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Eric.
	Hi.
	How are you doing?
	Well, you've been listening, right?
	Actually, what I'm calling about is something that just occurred to me not too long ago, and I haven't heard anything on the news.
	I've been wondering, these fundamentalists have got a lot of sway in the Middle East.
	They have a lot of sway here, too, sir.
	Yeah.
	I mean, we remember what happened to Anwar Sadat when he made a peace treaty with Israel.
	Yeah, good night, Charlie Brown.
	Yeah.
	Something that occurred to me is that, thanks to some unwise policies, we now import 60% of our oil.
	Unlike the Gulf, this isn't going to be about oil or a land grab.
	It's going to be us going after these fundamentalists.
	I'm just wondering that this might possibly cause a backlash.
	What happens if The Middle Eastern countries unite and just cut off the oil.
	Well, we know what will happen.
	We went through that once before.
	Do you remember?
	Vaguely.
	I was about five or six at the time.
	I remember really long lines.
	Do you remember that?
	Yeah.
	The price of gasoline going through the roof?
	As I recall, we weren't quite as dependent back then as we are now.
	Well, here's the thing to consider.
	Every president has said it, and you can take this one to the bank.
	We would go to war to preserve the flow of the oil.
	Do you doubt that?
	No, actually, that's what has gotten me worried is that this could become something really, really huge, really bad.
	Oh, no kidding.
	Anytime you go to W.A.R., it can happen.
	It can get out of control, and it can go in places where you never in a million years would have thought it would.
	You know, it's a gamble.
	Yeah, I mean, I know we have to do this.
	Thank you.
	I mean, even saying all of that, this is something we have to do.
	Yeah.
	That's all.
	It's just, you know, I've been I've been watching this all week and my heart goes out to everyone that died and their families.
	But it just struck me about an hour and a half ago that, you know, wait a minute, there's the oil factor and this could escalate into a war that we haven't seen since World War II.
	Yes, it could escalate into World War III.
	Anything's possible once you roll the war dice.
	And if we're going to do that, then you better realize that is one possibility.
	Well, I mean, it was just something I wanted to bring up because, like I said, I hadn't heard it mentioned once.
	Oh, it'll be mentioned more and more now.
	I appreciate your call.
	Thank you very much.
	Of course, it'll be mentioned a lot.
	People are very quick to say it's time for war and slow to conflate its consequences.
	But even after you contemplate its consequences, I cannot imagine a situation that would more clearly call for killing in retribution, to put it succinctly and flatly and bluntly to you.
	Even after you think about what it means, what it really means, this is something we have to do.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi Art, a long time fan.
	It's not what I'm calling about, but I thought years ago when communism bit the bullet and hit the dirt, that fundamentalism was the thing that we would need to watch out the most for.
	And I think not just in foreign countries, but in our own land.
	The point I was trying to make with that article, was that an amazing article?
	It's neither.
	They're neither fun nor very deeply mental, I have to say that.
	What I'm really calling about is intelligence, or the lack of it.
	You have to be proud of our intelligence people in the last couple of days for how quickly they tuned in on phone calls to Bin Laden and picked up people and put the pieces together.
	And I'm wondering... Well, you have to imagine, sir, that almost the entire Right, but how come they didn't know about it before?
	every other single investigatory type uh... three-letter agency has been
	turned up this i mean it's massive right and about but you know how come they
	didn't know about it before and and i was
	you know i i don't want to talk conspiracy uh... that can't get kind of
	boring but there is a certain possibility that we've been people up on
	top uh... not the president but people up on top news was
	happening they don't know how big it was going to happen
	They're probably in shock right now.
	Once you start saying that they knew it was going to happen, maybe not how big, but they knew it was going to happen.
	If they knew it was going to happen, then they had to know that two planes were going to plow into the Twin Towers and then a third into the Pentagon.
	They would have had to have known that.
	They may not have known the whole thing, but they may have needed an incident in order to get Congress to to act very quickly on the military for the military-industrial complex to move on control of oil for the Bush family and the Cheney family and I'm just familiar with the whole song yeah and you know it's not wag the dog exactly but like it and I I'm just surprised that our intelligence community they're not always the gang that shoots straight but that they didn't know something was going on
	That's all I wanted to say.
	Well, you know, I mean, what if they... You know, look, Bin Laden has been saying some bigs coming your way pretty soon now.
	Oh, yeah.
	For some time, number one.
	Number two.
	They replayed an interview with an Afghani official on 60 Minutes 1, and the guy two months ago said, oh, you know, the White House is very vulnerable.
	Two people could take it out.
	And the interviewer said, really?
	There you are.
	So, it may be that in some way, with statements like the ones he was making, he masked the information when it came.
	Has that ever occurred to you?
	Absolutely.
	I mean, they sit in their offices and go, oh yeah, Bin Laden, he's been saying that for a long time.
	Right, right.
	That's a possibility.
	But to imagine that a U.S.
	intelligence community unknowingly Anybody under the president knowingly rejected absolute information.
	Not the president.
	I don't buy it.
	Well, maybe not.
	I just want to say that you're an icon like Arthur Godfrey and Long John Neville and all the greats.
	I think you're terrific.
	It's been a pleasure talking to you.
	Good night, my friend.
	I don't want to be an icon.
	I never want to be an icon.
	For one thing, icons are usually gone in the past.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Hi.
	I think they've proven quite well that killing people is the objective.
	And I think we can further assume that they would have no problem using biological and or atomic weapons, which would cause massive casualties.
	Oh, your point is so well taken.
	Now, if you think about this, sir, if they had them, They would have used them by now, don't you think?
	I don't necessarily think so.
	Why not put some biologicals on the plane with you for a while?
	I guess they couldn't get them in.
	But I mean, if you had biologicals, they'd do so much damage.
	That's what could come next.
	And I think that's why we have to focus on deterrence.
	And the most effective deterrence is to strike the fear of God in them.
	To send them a message so strong, the world a message so strong, That no one is ever going to mess with the United States again.
	I think we've got to drop a bunch of nukes on Afghanistan and make them an example.
	I think that's the only solution.
	Well, here's how far... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can... I don't think we can You had absolute intelligence that Bin Laden and his people, almost exclusively, were in some remote, desert-like, isolated area.
	And then, after you thought about it real hard, maybe... I think we can take care of their civilians, too, because they did that to us.
	No, no, no, no.
	It would certainly give... It would send the same message that they sent us, no different.
	It would be the same message, but I think we would be safe from attacks for quite a long time.
	We haven't heard from Japan since World War II.
	I think the whole world caught the message really clear after World War II, what we were about, but it's kind of faded, and we need to resend that message.
	All right.
	Well, I appreciate your call, but not your message.
	We are simply not about targeting civilians.
	This is one that's been coming up again and again and again, all through this week.
	And I knew the voices were going to get louder and more strident.
	Gotta nuke them!
	Well, we just don't do that.
	Unless, for example, you have, as I said last night to some caller, the probability of a million American troops being killed Uh, trying to, uh, gain control of the Japanese mainland.
	If you have that, then maybe you start considering about the sort of defense you have to have, which in this case, uh, might be the best offense, which was a nuclear device.
	Hard decision even then.
	But now?
	Oh no, I don't think so.
	Lost to the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
	Hello there.
	I just want to tell you something that's really kind of making me sick to my stomach.
	Sure, where are you?
	I'm in Salt Lake, Utah.
	Okay, go ahead.
	There's so many people taking advantage of this situation.
	I don't know if you've seen on Fox News about people who ask victims for their social security numbers to run scams.
	What?
	If there ever was a time for these people to get lynched, it would be now.
	Why?
	No, I've never heard of what you're talking about.
	Yeah, there's certain organizations, like websites, that are saying, you know, give us your loved ones social security numbers and we will, you know, help and assist finding them.
	And I'm going, and the police are saying, no, these people are just trying to, you know, use credit cards or do all these other scams with the personal information.
	Boy, is that beyond the pale.
	You know, and I just thought, you know, I'm very glad that America has responded in the way it has.
	We're not rioting.
	We're not doing the things that all the conspiracy theorists thought we would be doing, going out in the streets and revolting.
	And listen, that occurred to me on, I believe, the second night.
	I said, now, isn't it amazing?
	Everybody always said everything would go to hell.
	There'd be martial law.
	I said, guess what?
	No martial law.
	Americans are behaving themselves.
	Surprise!
	I just want to send a message to those people that are doing that, to those victims' families.
	You know, there's a special legend in hell.
	I hope you find it.
	You know, but that's not...
	That's not, in any conceivable way, something to do with someone who's already gone through so much.
	Well, that's just so far beyond the pale.
	It's not even believable.
	I'll take your word for it, but that's... I just... It's been running on the little tagline underneath, you know, New York officials warn families to beware of scams.
	That's incredible.
	That's just... I can't comment.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	No problem.
	Take care.
	I can't even comment on that.
	It's like this religious thing, which I'm going to read more about in a moment.
	This fundamentalist religious thing, there or here.
	A real big problem, in my opinion.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, this is Art.
	Yes, I guess you're on a cell phone, huh?
	Yeah.
	Another treat.
	Yes, sir.
	I've been trying to get a hold of you for a couple of days now, or ever since you were on the picture.
	I'm glad you got your picture.
	Have you seen it?
	No, I haven't.
	Okay.
	I could visualize it when you were saying it last night.
	Did it scare you at first?
	No.
	First glance?
	Which picture are you referring to?
	The one with the lightning?
	No, it didn't scare me.
	I just thought it was poignant.
	I thought, God, there's a New York skyline at a distance with the building so obviously missing the Twin Towers.
	There's a smoke.
	Uh, curling up into the lit night sky, and behind it, uh, there's a lightning bolt, uh, with a very severe storm ready to descend on New York City.
	I thought it was, I don't know, just poignant.
	You mentioned something about it looking like a creature or something?
	No, no, no.
	Now you're confusing it with another picture.
	Okay.
	There's a picture of one of the airliners plowing into the second tower, and at the moment of the impact, you can see a devil face in the smoke.
	Which is just adjacent to the fireball.
	There's no question about what you're seeing.
	You can go look at it.
	Well, I noticed a lot today that's been talking about the religion and stuff.
	I believe that the Bible and all our religions throughout the world all refer to one type of being.
	A peaceful being.
	A creator of some sort.
	And I think what we're looking at, possibly, is some type of a time capsule through the story of the Bible throughout the world and that we should be
	looking more upwards and sort of toward each other
	in each other's backyards and stuff that in the book of revelations it says a burning mountain shall fall
	from the fall from the mountains, fall from the heavens, excuse me.
	From the heavens and the sky, yes.
	And I think it's what it's actually telling us that there's a meteor coming and exactly where it's going
	to land at.
	Now that I don't know, where is it going to land?
	In the city of Seven Hills.
	On Rome?
	Rome.
	It's going to hit Rome.
	That's what I believe it's saying.
	You think Rome had been through enough by now?
	Well, that's just it.
	This is the start of society in England, South Africa.
	I believe.
	Alright.
	Well, listen, I've got to run because the top of the hour is coming.
	I'm Mark Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	You keep saying you've got something for me.
	Something you call love, but confess You've been a mess, well you shouldn't have been a mess
	And now someone else is getting all your best These boots are made for walking
	And that's just what they'll do One of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you
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	From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, as the
	case may be across this great land of ours, and welcome to Coast to Coast AM.
	Bye.
	I'm Arthur Bell.
	Great to be here.
	Quick look at the headlines.
	They're saying now 4,700, they think, would be the number that are missing and probably dead.
	It's getting very discouraging for those searching for the living because they're not finding them.
	President Bush has called up our military reserves.
	That would amount to about 50,000 troops and we're probably going to need them when we consider really what we're about to get into.
	Pakistan is apparently ready to agree to U.S.
	demands.
	That we'd be allowed to use their space and their territory for launching whatever it is we're going to launch that's obviously coming.
	I mean, we are about to go to war here, and it is absolutely something we have to do.
	As I noted last hour, CNN now has America's New War as their logo.
	It was America under attack.
	Which seemed an obvious call, but America's new war... Somebody has to think these things up.
	And anyway, that's the new one.
	Who do you think thinks them up?
	It is war, and we're going to have to send in ground troops.
	I think almost everybody... I saw General on CNN talking about sending in... where you would launch the ground troops.
	And, you know, it's worth remembering that Afghanistan fights a hard war.
	They knocked the hell out of the Soviets, and So if we have to go in on the ground, and this is the kind of group we're going to be fighting, we're going to have a fight on our hands.
	And we should at least understand well what we're getting into.
	On the other hand, we have to get into it.
	And there is no way this cannot be responded to as an act of war, because that's exactly what it is.
	It's just that... And I said this to you last hour, that, yeah, we've been on the air for an hour, that you roll the dice.
	You know, when you go to war, you're rolling the war dice, and you never know what you're going to get.
	America's New War.
	The following comes under the category of religious extremism, here and there, there and here.
	If I hadn't read this in the Washington Post, I would not have believed it, but if you go to my website, you can verify what I'm about to tell you, unfortunately, by going to What's New, no, Program, tonight's guest info, and directly below Actually, I don't know what he's got in there tonight.
	Just sort of a notice of what, you know, open lines, which is what we're doing all night long.
	Now, you'll see related article, God gave the U.S.
	what we deserve.
	Falwell says, if you want to click on it, go ahead, it'll take you to the Washington Post where you can read the entire article.
	I'm going to just read you a little part of it.
	Television evangelist Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, two of the most prominent voices of the religious right, said, Liberal civil liberties groups, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters bear partial responsibility for Tuesday's terrorist attacks because their actions have turned God's anger against America.
	Quote, God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve, said Falwell.
	Appearing yesterday on the Christian Broadcasting Network's 700 Club, hosted by Robertson.
	Robertson responded, Jerry, that's my feeling.
	I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror.
	We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population.
	Falwell said the American Civil Liberties Union, quote, has got to take a lot of blame for this.
	Again, winning Robertson's agreement.
	Well, yes!
	Then Falwell broadened his blast to include the federal courts and others who were, quote, throwing God out of the public square.
	He added, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked.
	When we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad.
	I really believe that the pagans, abortionists, and feminists, the gays and the lesbians, were actively trying to Make that an alternative lifestyle.
	The ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them, have tried to secularize America.
	I point the finger in their face and say, you helped this happen.
	Is that incredible?
	Is that incredible or what?
	That's incredible, they would say this.
	And so it makes me say, extreme as this may sound, religious extremism there and here, how much difference is there really, huh?
	If you go and you read some of what Ben Laden has written, and somebody last hour gave us a quote, God will always punish and slay those who don't agree.
	Right?
	So how different is it?
	That's what I would ask.
	How really different is it?
	If you put them side by side and you don't attribute, you might not know the difference.
	There's one other thing I wanted to cover with you here.
	And that's this.
	Along with the other news we had today, there's a lot of it.
	It came out today that jet fighter aircraft were scrambled in two cases.
	One to go after the plane that hit the second tower, because in that case they had 18 minutes to see the second plane was coming in by God.
	They scrambled jet fighters.
	Also, In the case of the plane that hit the Pentagon, where they had warning and could see the plane wasn't doing what it was supposed to be doing, they scrambled jet fighters in both cases.
	The jet fighters didn't get close enough to force the president to make a decision about whether or not to shoot down one of those aircraft.
	They were minutes late.
	They were on their way, but they were minutes late.
	In fact, If it is determined that the plane in question is not in control of the pilot, and it's obviously going to do what these planes were going to do, then and only then, the President of the United States, and only the President, can authorize a commercial civilian airliner to be shot down.
	Now, I don't know how you even think about this.
	You wouldn't exactly say, well, it's better they didn't make it, and so that decision never had to be made.
	You might suggest there was a lot of occupied ground below anyway, and so they might have chosen not to do it, but my God, what a decision for a president to have to make.
	Can you even imagine that?
	In your wildest moment?
	The government tells us today they're still out there.
	Another way, I suppose, of saying it may not be over.
	That they're still here in the U.S.
	Somebody emails me, why doesn't anyone consider the vulnerability of the West Coast?
	It seems quite possible that the terrorists can act with relative freedom on the West Coast while they've got everybody's attention glued to the East Coast.
	And perhaps not with planes.
	But other methods that I don't really want to think about.
	I feel like we all have our backs turned.
	I understand how you feel, Sarah.
	Just get someone looking with this hand over here, while you pull out the gun with the other hand, and they'll never even see it coming.
	Something to think about, that's for sure.
	And I'm not claiming to be a psychic, because I'm surely not.
	I'm not even claiming a connection, thank you.
	But I did, in the two weeks prior to the occurrence of this, warn you all that something really monstrous was on the immediate horizon.
	I could feel it in every fiber.
	So I'm not really making that claim.
	I am, however, reminding you I did say that a lot in the two weeks prior to the occurrence here.
	And I think this is something that's natural in all of us.
	I don't claim any special credit for it.
	I think that we all have it.
	It's an instinctual sort of foreboding.
	That's all.
	Open lines all night long.
	What I've chosen to do in all of this is to let you say what you want to say and be the outlet for you when others are not doing so.
	So, two items.
	One, we have an international line.
	And let me give you that number right now.
	You go to my website, Artbell.com.
	You go to Interact.
	If you're outside the country, go to Interact, and then call in numbers, and you'll see a whole bunch of special access code numbers, AT&T access code numbers, for almost every country in the world.
	One day we'll get France up there.
	and then you dial the eight hundred number which is eight hundred
	eight nine three zero nine
	zero three now i assume if you're out of the country you're probably
	listening to me on a computer
	so you can go to my website Bye.
	But if you can't get your country code, then call the AT&T operator and talk real nicely to her and see if she will dial that number for you.
	800-893-0903.
	That's it.
	Open line.
	eight nine three zero nine zero three
	that's it open lines straight ahead something from uh... richard crunch the numbers and he says
	if you take gravity into account
	and you simply discuss the amount of uh...
	a damage that was done it may remember of i told you that it was ten blocks in each direction some
	colors of all know what's the score from your to believe is
	the damage to one degree or another quite heavy is about ten blocks
	in each direction now what would it take to do that It's a over calculated
	He crunched the numbers and said that those buildings coming down with that weight and gravity considered would produce an explosion equivalent of between one hundred and one thousand tons of TNT, which is equivalent, says Richard, to a small probably tactical nuclear weapon.
	That's something to think about.
	He also suggests, as one of the networks did the other night, ABC, Pets are a consideration.
	Something my wife said to me, too.
	She said, why don't you say something about the pets?
	And they are right.
	Of those who are missing in New York, almost 5,000 people.
	Many, of course, families are already missing them.
	But no doubt, in some cases, no one has yet missed them.
	And a lot of those homes might have pets in them.
	So if you live somewhere where you're hearing a pet who's crying or screeching or whatever, You might check into it.
	Just a thought.
	Got to be a lot of pets alone out there.
	So with that, open lines.
	Oh, just one last thing, and that is, if you are a previous guest of mine, if you are somebody who has something really important to say, meaning you have some sort of expert information or input on all of this, You are welcome to call my network, which will be screening some special calls for me.
	And that would be at area code 541-664-8829.
	You could call that number beginning now.
	That's my network, and they'll sort of have a chat with you and find out what's up.
	And if it's really of an urgent nature, they will get it to me.
	Ultra important.
	Area code 541-664.
	8-8-2-9.
	But even at that, I will put people on the air for a very limited period of time only.
	Now, that in mind, here we go.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Good evening.
	Good morning.
	Good evening to you, Mark.
	Let me start with this.
	God bless America.
	Absolutely God bless America.
	This is Matt from Temecula, California.
	Yes, Matt.
	I work here in the evening time, and I was just driving home for lunch a little while ago, and driving down the street, about on three There were groups of people standing there cheering, waving their American flags.
	It just brought on this overwhelming pride of our country in me.
	I came to tears.
	It was just one of those heartfelt things that I can feel.
	I just want to stress to everybody, show it off.
	Show off your flag.
	Show off your country.
	It's being done.
	It's being done all over the nation right now.
	We're the greatest country in the world and just that, we are the best.
	I saw something that I never in my life actually thought I would see before.
	I don't know if you happen to catch it.
	If you haven't, watch CNN or one of the major networks and they'll no doubt do a replay.
	There is one constant in this country.
	Something that never changes.
	And that's just over the hill from here.
	You can see the glow from where I am right now.
	I could go out of my Porsche and I could look to the east and see the glow of the lights of Las Vegas.
	It wouldn't even have to be clouds there to see the glow.
	It just lights up the night sky on the other side of the mountain, about 65 miles from here.
	Earlier tonight, in memoriam, the Las Vegas Strip turned its lights off.
	Never seen it in my life.
	I've never seen Las Vegas do that.
	It was eerie.
	It was weird.
	One by one, the major casinos started switching off their lights until the strip was dark.
	That's one strange sight, believe me.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello, Mark.
	Hello.
	Thank you.
	You're going to have to speak up good and loud for me, sir.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Sumter, South Carolina.
	Alright, well, go right ahead.
	Yeah, WDXY.
	Thank you very much for having you on their air, or our air.
	Well, thank you for saying that, because not enough people do.
	They should mention their affiliates.
	Sure, go ahead.
	I am a retired Air Force guy.
	I've been retired for 13 years, and I'm ready to go back.
	I understand the feeling.
	Well, there's a lot of people, about 50,000 reservists that are on the way back.
	If they declare war, it takes away the 30-year set of orders that I got that releases me from active duty or commitment.
	You know, crawling at the bottom of the CNN screen a little while ago was a thing saying that they're considering issuing war bonds again.
	Can you imagine that?
	No, that'd be fine.
	Look, we've been attacked.
	We've been at war.
	We're just now coming to the point to admit it.
	I'm ready to go back and fight the war.
	It didn't, I'll tell you, it didn't take our leaders that long.
	There was perhaps only a slight hesitation before our own leadership began to say war.
	The war word was used quite early, as in active war at first.
	And then, uh, the real thing.
	They started talking about war.
	So, it was interesting to watch this occur on the part of the powers that be, wherever those powers are.
	The same kind of people that make up these slogans, you know, America's New War.
	They decided, uh, very quickly, uh, oh gee, this is the real thing.
	You know, you get, uh, this sort of attack, uh, two towers, this many people killed, more people, uh, by a good margin, almost double, than were killed at Pearl Harbor.
	A major U.S.
	assets are destroyed at the Pentagon attack.
	It does not get any more clearly a war than that.
	It'd be hard.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hey, how you doing?
	I'm okay, sir.
	Didn't mean to say that.
	It's impossible not to.
	I'm tired of OPEC.
	You are?
	Yes, I am.
	What do you plan to do?
	It's about time that Ford or GMC Any of these car manufacturing companies come together, develop a car that runs on solar energy or peanut oil.
	And I agree with that.
	Once we figure that out, then a lot of our problems will be solved because we won't be so tied up in the Middle East.
	Do you agree with me on that?
	Yes.
	Totally, completely, unabashedly, totally agree with you, yes.
	Every president that I can, uh, you know, Jimmy Carter gave some pretty good lip service to, other than that, uh, it hasn't happened.
	No president has talked about what we really have to do, because everybody knows right now, we will go to, now, not to confuse that with the present situation, but we will go to, go to war, period, to maintain the U.S.
	supply.
	Period.
	I understand.
	Any president would take us to war to do that.
	So we have to change that, and the only way we can change it is the kind of stuff you just talked about.
	And I think it's time that people that are younger than 30 need to step up and try to solve some of these problems that we've got.
	We've got to sit down and we've got to think about what's happening in the world and how our country is interacting with other countries and put solutions out just like what I'm talking about.
	There's so many SUVs on the road that we're burning all this gas.
	This whole incident just showed me we've got to make some changes.
	All right, sir.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	You know that we've known that for years.
	We have to make changes.
	We cannot continue to be dependent on oil when we know there is only so much supply of oil, and it's going to increasingly dry up, and as it does, it'll become more expensive.
	And if it's cut off, we'll have to go to war to protect the flow, and we'll probably have to do that inevitably anyway.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi, Art.
	It's really good to talk to you.
	This is Bill in Palm Desert, California.
	I've been listening on the internet and I kind of have a reaction to several callers you had earlier this evening.
	Some of the ones you've had over the last few days, they get carried away with their overactive imagination or conspiracies.
	I really love listening to your show.
	I've been listening a long time.
	How did you like the guy, if you heard it last hour, the guy who said that the Zionists did this and means really that Israel is actually behind all of this?
	I call it liberal denial.
	It's just these overactive imaginations.
	Well, it's easier for them to conjure up an elaborate conspiracy involving our citizens or our own government.
	Good God!
	Isn't the real thing bad enough, what happened?
	Yeah, I mean, why do they have to conjure up some other... I don't know, listen, you want to hold on through the break here?
	I'd certainly love to.
	Alright, and you're doing that.
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	It has to give you the willies a little bit to know that they're still out there.
	One thing's for sure, you know our federal government wouldn't say there are still terrorists among us if they weren't.
	So they're still out there.
	And you've got to wonder what they're planning.
	Written but temerized, you don't have to be.
	Angry is pretty much what you are, I would say.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Well, this has been one hell of a minute.
	It really has been something.
	Absolutely, between Tuesday morning at about 8.30 and this morning, when I went to sleep, I'd had about six hours of lousy, troubled, miserable, dream-laden sleep.
	And, uh, that all culminated this morning when I got off the air and I just walked in there and went, and went away for about 10 hours.
	It was getting pretty rough on me yesterday.
	I was, uh, and I'm, so I'm sure that the rest of you that have followed this as closely as I know Americans have followed it.
	Uh, I followed it, you know, for my job in part, but because I'm compelled to, and I'm sure a lot of you are compelled to as well.
	And it's been a stressful week.
	I bet you if they looked into heart attacks and strokes and other things that occur to people, they would find that this last week had more than your average by a long shot.
	I'll bet you.
	Well, thanks for keeping me on, Art.
	I just really enjoy your show.
	Before we get back into our fun topic, I just want to say thanks for having the forum for all of us out here.
	You're very welcome.
	That's what it's all about.
	Well, it's really helpful.
	If any people out there are about as troubled and upset as I am, I can imagine it's tough going out there.
	Anyway, liberal denial.
	Liberal denial.
	I don't want to start putting categories on people, but I just find it funny that people are more Willing to accept... May I ask you a question?
	Yes.
	What is the difference between a liberal and a socialist?
	What country they live in, maybe?
	And what's the difference between a socialist and a communist?
	Your definition.
	My definition?
	Well, you can almost...
	Do the same, almost the same definition.
	What country do they live in?
	That's what I thought.
	Well, I just thought I'd get down and really find out what you thought.
	Well, I don't really consider myself a conservative, but I mean, I just think these mental somersaults... What then?
	You consider yourself a communist?
	Oh, no!
	Please!
	Not that.
	Then that's the dividing line, right?
	Either you're a conservative right-winger or...
	Well, I'm trying to think that I'm a free thinker, but... You know, there are some people in the middle.
	You know, there are some of us in the middle.
	That's where I am.
	There is a middle.
	I'm worried about people like you that say, when you say liberal, you really mean socialist.
	When you say socialist, you really mean communist.
	So when you say liberal, you really mean communist.
	Well, I'm not a McCarthy, though.
	That's scary.
	Alright, well listen, I appreciate your call.
	But I know exactly where you are.
	First on color line, you're on the air alone.
	Hello?
	Hello!
	Oh, hey, Art!
	Yes?
	My name's Sharon.
	I'm calling from Orange County, California.
	Hi, Sharon.
	You are my hero.
	I'm telling you, I am relatively a new Art Bell listener.
	I started listening to Bill Handel in the morning to wake me up, and then one night I was trying to sleep, turned you on, and you validated everything I've been paranoid about pretty much my entire life and afraid to talk to anyone about because they think you're crazy.
	I thought you were talking about UFOs, you talk about who's actually in control of the
	world and the government.
	As a matter of fact, someone who's a long time listener of yours told me that there
	is actually someone too controversial to be on your program.
	He wrote the book, The Babylon Brotherhood.
	You heard of that?
	And that would be?
	Oh, God, I want to say Evans or someone, but that you wouldn't even have them on your show.
	And I was very surprised.
	There's a very, very small list of people that I don't have on.
	Yeah, and he's one of them.
	Well, I don't think he is.
	I don't know that I've banned anybody named Evans.
	I'm not sure if that's correct, but anyway, I just wanted to tell you, when you said for the last two weeks before this, That's why I call it that you had had these gut feelings
	that something cataclysmic was coming.
	Yes.
	All my friends, you can ask anybody who knows me.
	I have been in a static state of asking everyone, do you know Art Bell?
	Do you listen to Art Bell?
	Oh my God, and just getting into these conversations going, something's coming.
	I can feel it.
	I know.
	Two solid weeks before this, I said it again and again, every single night.
	Every fiber in me feels it.
	It's just right on us.
	I know.
	I kept saying it, and I don't think I was alone, and you're just proving that.
	I'm no special psychic.
	No, and I'm not either, and I don't want to sound crazy, but 540, Tuesday morning, I woke up.
	I could not sleep, and I always sleep.
	And I couldn't go back to sleep, got up and do what I always do, turned on MSNBC News, I was watching it, 640.
	Our time, 840.
	All of a sudden, there it came.
	And I'm watching it, and I see the next plane come.
	I called my mom, Art, because I thought, oh my God, this is it.
	Here it comes.
	You know, it's over.
	And I'm sitting here alone.
	I at least want to talk to someone.
	No, you'd have to reach out and talk to someone.
	Absolutely, because the media hadn't cranked up yet.
	It was just happening.
	I was so frightened.
	It was like a scene out of Armageddon.
	Yeah, exactly!
	And you look at the channel, and I'm like, is that really CNN?
	Oh, and I just thank God for you.
	I listen to you every night, and I've just become addicted.
	You know, I used to fall asleep at 1, and now I find myself at like 4 in the morning.
	I'm like, ah, I've got to go to bed.
	Thank you very much.
	I depend on sleepless nights and people like you.
	You're a dear.
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	And wildcard line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	And wild card line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Good evening, Mr. Bell.
	Hello there.
	And I hope I'm not repeating something somebody else may have said tonight, because I tuned in a little late.
	A friend of mine told me something rather disturbing today.
	He happened to, by coincidence, move to New York, to Manhattan, about two days before this incident, to start flying internationally for, I don't know if I can mention the airline, Well, you don't have to, for a major airline.
	Yes, one of the major airlines.
	And he told me something.
	A friend of his who worked for this airline, who was stuck in Dallas, was allowed to fly out today.
	Now, they were flying out as passengers, not working.
	When she got home, and she was emptying out her luggage, she realized that she forgot to remove Her pocketknife and her corkscrew, and nobody ever looked.
	And she was flying as a passenger.
	And I would think that... I mean, it disturbed me very much.
	It really got him bothered because he's going to be going back to work on Tuesday.
	A corkscrew and a pocketknife.
	And a pocketknife, which, I mean, it was a large corkscrew, you know, for wine.
	You know, but see, you're kind of proving my point.
	I know they're banning knives and all the rest of it, but there are more than 50 ways to kill an American.
	You can snap their neck.
	You can make a shank and stab them.
	You can put a telephone cord around their neck.
	I don't know.
	There's a million different ways, and that's the one approach that I'm not quite satisfied is going to have any meaningful effect whatsoever.
	Take the steak knives away from the first-class passengers.
	You know, I'm sorry, I just, I'd rather see the bulkhead and door fortified so nobody could get through.
	There's a lot of other things.
	Maybe this idea of the caller who said, you know, a little thing that the captain could flip and put everybody to sleep behind him.
	I don't know.
	But I just, horrifying as that is, present circumstances given, I just don't think that that's going to work.
	Who probably knows about that.
	He's a police officer and they've seen people killed in lots of ways.
	You are a police officer in New York City?
	Yes, I am.
	How are you doing?
	Your name is Joe?
	Yes.
	How are you?
	I'm alright.
	How are things there?
	Pretty good.
	First of all, I'd like to give my sincere condolences to everyone that's lost someone in this ordeal.
	Basically, The feeling around the precincts and everything is a lot of cops are frustrated that they can't go down and help in the rescue search.
	A lot of officers have tried to go down on their own time and volunteer.
	And why not?
	And they've been turned away by the emergency services that are down there.
	Why?
	I'm not too sure.
	I guess right now they have a lot of people down there, specialized units, that are down there working at the scene.
	Yeah, but I'm hearing that stockbrokers and numbers crunchers guys are going down and volunteering and they're being accepted.
	Yeah, I think a lot of police officers want to be on, you know, in the site.
	Well, that's odd.
	Maybe there's a public service kind of reason why they don't want it.
	I mean, maybe there is.
	Maybe they figure with as much force as they've already lost in terms of firefighters and law enforcement, they can't afford to lose any more right now.
	I don't know.
	I'm just guessing in the wild here.
	I wouldn't have any idea, but that's the only kind of reason that I could imagine.
	Yeah, maybe that's the case.
	I know they have a lot of volunteers from other fire departments, other police departments, and we're grateful for that, but these are our guys that are buried under there and a lot of us don't even have the opportunity to help in the effort.
	There's hundreds and hundreds of New York City cops that are standing around.
	Basically doing nothing.
	They have us on, like, security posts in the middle of nowhere.
	Maybe they just absolutely have to have the manpower.
	But I mean, when it comes down to your off time, I can't imagine any reason other than the one that I threw out there.
	So let's try and garner some information on this from somebody else and find out why.
	I mean, I'm all with you.
	I would like to know why.
	Yeah, I would too.
	All right.
	So there's a question hanging in the air tonight.
	Uh, and I'd like to know why.
	Wouldn't you?
	Maybe someone will call us.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey.
	Hey there.
	How you doing, Alex?
	I'm alright.
	Where are you?
	Dwayne, Chicago, 890 AM.
	Ah, WLS.
	Yeah, first time caller.
	Uh, listener since 96.
	A bell would not listen since 96.
	But, um, first of all, my love to you and Ramona.
	Thank you.
	Cats, all that stuff.
	I love you guys.
	I was thinking just about what the officer was saying.
	Maybe the reason they are turning volunteers away is just speculation.
	You get an overwhelming amount of people trying to concentrate and do one thing at one time.
	So they want to back everybody off just a bit and take in what they can take in when they can.
	Maybe, but I mean, you understand, as I do, I'm sure, how he feels his friends are buried under there.
	So it doesn't make sense.
	So you're saying to him it would be, I mean, he has a mission to want to get in there because his people are buried under there.
	Certainly understandable.
	You know, in that case, I guess if I was down there in charge, I'd say, look, screw what we know, let him in.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Well, let's leave it for somebody who really knows, maybe to call my network.
	Don't forget, you can do that if your information is ultra-important.
	My network is at 541-664-8829, so we'll leave it for someone to call and tell us.
	Listen, okay, hello?
	Yeah.
	I'm sorry, and that's good.
	What I think about this bombing is a lot of people out here in this so-called America don't feel like a part of America.
	Black man here in Chicago, myself, born and raised on the South Side.
	All I've seen is images, 70% of the images I've seen on the television are white faces, white heroes, and I know I'm going to get a beating for that, but so be it.
	Um, you see so much of, don't get me wrong, I know somebody's going to call in and say, well, hey, you know, we saw a Brian Gumbel here or, you know, granted, understandable.
	No, no, no, no.
	Wait a minute.
	Even I'll jump in here and have my little say.
	Okay.
	I've seen now a million pictures of the workers, uh, you know, those heroes down there pulling all that rubble apart.
	Okay.
	And I've seen every kind of color.
	And New York is every kind of color.
	Come on, New York is.
	Yes.
	It's just a total melting pot.
	Walk down the streets of New York, sir, you're going to run into everything.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Granted, you're right there.
	But when we in America say melting pot, that in itself is a problem.
	We don't want to be a part of a melting pot.
	When you melt things in a pot, it all is together and you can't tell the difference.
	We want to be, as individuals, as different races, whether you're Arab, whether you're Asian, whether you're, if you speak Tagalog from the Philippines, if you are a black American, you want to be appreciated for your differences, not tolerated for your differences.
	I don't necessarily know that that's true.
	I know... No, it's true.
	It's true for white people, too.
	It's true for all people.
	You earn it.
	Now, it may be that some colors of people have to earn a little more.
	necessarily know that that's true i'm no no it's true is true for white people
	to is true for all people you earn it now it may be that some colors people have to earn little
	more they have to go a little farther
	to get noticed that's society's problem
	It's got to get fixed.
	Well, I know I don't have to go far to get noticed.
	I'm black.
	I step out of the house.
	People see I'm black.
	They start walking in different directions.
	They start avoiding.
	They start punching their security buttons.
	Watch out for this guy.
	And I'm sitting here saying, well, wait a minute.
	I'm human.
	I served in the Navy.
	Right now, I'm sitting at home on house arrest.
	Because I had a security job, I was doing my job.
	I arrested a young lady.
	Um, my supervisor gave me some misinformation.
	I released her from handcuffs.
	She came back the next day, had me charged with aggravated assault, and I've been here on house arrest since March.
	Didn't have a lawyer to fight it.
	Wait a minute, hold on a minute here.
	Aggravated assault?
	Yes.
	That would imply that you did something active above and beyond the normal arrest.
	Absolutely.
	She claims that I threw her into a wall, the handcuffs were too tight, and when I took her into the room and set her down, came out to talk to my supervisor, she was in the room kicking around and stuff.
	Do you throw her into a wall?
	No, I didn't.
	What happened was she was criminally trespassed and I asked her to leave and it went on for about 20 minutes.
	Finally she wouldn't leave.
	This was a C.H.A.
	complex.
	I asked her to leave.
	She kept fighting.
	don't know that much alright and she uh... my absolutely she kept right she wouldn't
	uh... well she kept you know i want to think i get picture and i
	You know, this happens to police officers all the time.
	Not just security people, but police officers.
	People are outraged at being arrested and they often levy all kinds of charges.
	I hope that you'll be treated as fairly and it'll all come out well.
	It does generally for police officers, not always.
	If they do throw people up against walls, police officers have been known to do that really hard.
	Or put the cuffs on so hard that insulation goes and the old hand's turning blue, then you probably have something to answer for.
	But you sound, uh, oh, I don't know.
	Oh, we're getting all kinds of special people here, so I guess, uh, I guess we'll, uh, gee, here's a pilot and a cop.
	Now, there's a combination for you.
	Maybe we'll get him on the air.
	A pilot and a cop.
	Yeah, my network is screening some calls for me.
	If you're, you know, I don't want to say expert.
	Because others are doing experts.
	I'm not really doing experts.
	So I'm not really looking for experts.
	But if you have an expertise in some particular... I am asking for an expert, aren't I?
	We'll treat you much as a caller, and I'll let my network screen you.
	So if you're one of those important people, you can call Area Code 5.
	Hey, if you know about New York, if you know about Why off-duty police officers are not officially allowed to go pull rubble out of the pile and go help search for their brethren.
	Call my network at Area Code 541-664-8829.
	That would be very helpful.
	That's something I would like either squished if it's untrue, or I'd like to know why, if it is true.
	There's got to be a sensible answer to it.
	I'm Mark Bell.
	This is Post to Post.
	Tryin' to get myself ashore For so long
	For so long Listenin' to the strangest stories
	Wonderin' where it all went wrong For so long
	For so long Well hold on, hold on, hold on
	To what you got I said hold on, hold on, hold on
	For so long For so long
	Out on the street I was talkin' to a man He said, so my brother's not the man that I understand
	You shouldn't worry, I said, that ain't no crime Cause if you get it wrong, you get it right, you never die
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	That's 800-893-0903.
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	Other than North America, anywhere else in the world.
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	So, in a moment, what we're going to do is dive right back into open lines.
	and I do have a police officer and a pilot all in one awaiting.
	All right, I said, hurry up.
	Earlier, just at the hour, that we had a cop and a pilot.
	Interesting combination.
	And here he is.
	Where are you, sir?
	Actually, I'm on the road in the Midwest, headed towards the east.
	I think I'm coming up somewhere on Louisville or something like that.
	All right.
	What's on your mind?
	Well, you all covered a lot of issues tonight, but I guess I've got some input I'd like to throw out there.
	As a long-time commercial pilot, also with some military background.
	In fact, I've made a few flights out there in your Kingdom of Nye area.
	I've got some, I guess, input on the practical standpoint of sealing off the cabin of the airplane.
	Oh, okay, good.
	Yeah, I'd like to hear about that.
	While I would endorse, obviously, a more secure door, I think a complete sealing off of the flight crew would be a little impractical, especially on the longer flights, because I mean, there are certain physiological needs that pilots do have to meet to that you get up there for 10-12 hours and, you know, you've got to kind of get back to the back of the cabin.
	Well, have you ever spent much time in Europe?
	I've spent a little time in Europe.
	Okay, well, in the banks in Europe, they have a very unique system.
	Any bank you go into, there's an outside door and there's an inside door.
	And whenever anybody's leaving, they go out Through the one door, they stand in the space in between, and then they go through the other door.
	And both are controlled doors.
	Are you following me?
	Absolutely.
	I rest my case.
	All right, yeah, and if that could work, then I would be in support of that.
	But it seems like the common suggestion doesn't quite incorporate that much detail, but that does sound like a good idea.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	Anything else?
	Well yeah, your question on the difference between the religious extremism between Falwell and Bin Laden, I would say one of the biggest differences is that the religious extremism of Falwell does not endorse suicide bombing like Bin Laden does.
	So I'd say there's a huge difference there, they're just citing some beliefs.
	Sir?
	Sir?
	Does it give a wink and nod to people who bomb abortion clinics?
	Oh, absolutely.
	And what's the difference between, you know, boom and dead and boom and dead?
	Well, I don't believe they're endorsing the bombing of abortion clinics.
	I said a wink and a nod.
	I didn't say actual endorsement, but if you listen to their words, and I'm going to give you their words one more time, you can tell me at the end of it whether you really think this is extreme beyond the pale or not.
	And if you think that I'm kidding about this, go to my website.
	Go to, uh, let's see, go to artbill.com.
	Just so you can see this for yourself, otherwise you wouldn't believe it.
	I wouldn't believe it.
	Uh, click on program, tonight's guest info.
	Little announcement about what we're doing tonight.
	And then, uh, it says related article, God gave us what we deserve.
	Falwell says.
	Click on that, it'll take you to the Washington Post.
	You can read the entire article yourself, but in part.
	Television evangelist Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, two of the most prominent voices of the religious right, said liberal civil liberties groups, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters, bear partial responsibility for Tuesday's terrorist attacks because their actions have turned God's anger against America.
	God continues, quoting now, God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us Probably what we deserve, said Falwell yesterday, appearing yesterday on the Christian Broadcasting Network 700 Club, hosted by Robertson.
	Jerry, that's my feeling, Robertson responded, quote, I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror.
	We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population, end quote.
	Falwell said the American Civil Liberties Union, quote, has got to take a lot of blame for this.
	Winning Robertson's Agreement, who said, well, yes.
	And it just went on and got worse and worse.
	And if you want to read about it, be my guest.
	And as you consider those words, consider extremism there and here.
	And as you read those words, and if you ever get the opportunity to read any of Bin Laden's, putting them down side by side without attribution at the top, you might have a hard time telling the difference.
	It's God smiting the evil ones in both cases, right?
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Barb in Anchorage.
	Yes, Barb.
	Yes, I understand that you used to live here, so you probably know the feeling of a little bit of isolation that we have up here, and I'm just curious if you know of some of the things that have been going on in our area.
	I personally haven't received mail from out of state since Monday.
	I work for an air cargo handler.
	I don't want to say the name, but a big air cargo company.
	I have good news for you, dear.
	Same for most of us.
	Oh, okay.
	I didn't know.
	The airplanes aren't flying, so FedEx, for the most part, nothing.
	Air Mail, nada.
	I mean, no planes are flying, hon.
	It's the same everywhere.
	Okay, but yeah.
	We also have had... I didn't know if you had heard about the Korean airliner that was diverted from Anchorage on I don't know if it was Tuesday or Wednesday, and it went to Whitehorse, Canada, and on the way there was some miscommunication, so it was directed by two Air Force jets, and before its arrival in Whitehorse, Whitehorse, the community of Whitehorse was completely evacuated.
	Did you hear about that?
	No.
	What did they think was going on with the plane?
	Well, I believe that there was some sort of alarm was set off, and it was miscommunication Language barriers, and before it got to Anchorage, we had all kinds of cops and security at the airport expecting that it was possibly another... Okay, well listen, that also is going on all across the country.
	Airports opening, freaking out over something that happens, and closing again in major cities.
	Oh, this is serious stuff.
	Right, I just thought that you... I didn't know if you were aware of that particular incident.
	I thought it was pretty... No, not that particular one, but many like it.
	The other thing is that NBC News tonight had a segment about the Jeremy Glick hero from the United Flight 93, and it interviewed his family, and it was quite a gut-wrenching program, and it was pretty awesome.
	Reflected the fact that... You agree with me?
	These people should be receiving the equivalent of the Medal of Honor.
	It should be underway right now.
	Absolutely.
	And it was flashed across the screen throughout the day.
	I've been glued to my TV set just like a deer looking in headlights for the last several days.
	And I have not slept much, you know, just like you spoke about.
	But I just was wondering, you know, if you understand that feeling that Alaskans have.
	I mean, we're connected to the United States.
	We're very much a part of it.
	I know exactly how Alaskans, for the most part, feel about the lower 48.
	Right.
	I mean, you know, we've got this pipeline thing going on, and the head of the FBI in Alaska got on today and was talking about there is no threat to the pipeline and stuff like that.
	Well, of course, that's ridiculous, but, you know, there's a threat to everything right now.
	Well, there is.
	In fact, here in Nevada, it's the Boulder Dam, and they're going to open it for the weekend for tourists.
	Then close it back up again, I guess.
	You know, the Boulder Dam is so... We've got lots of things to worry about.
	We've got nuclear power plants.
	Good Lord!
	Had you considered what would have happened if they plowed one of those giant planes into a nuclear power plant?
	Good night.
	That'd be really serious.
	Really, really serious.
	As a matter of fact... Well, I can't talk about that.
	Yet.
	It's something you will hear about.
	Um, wild card line, you're on the air, hello.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	Hi, this is Julie from Minneapolis.
	Yes, Julie.
	Um, Art, I just wanted to say that, um, I don't know if anyone had heard about this, but I sent you an email.
	It happened on August 22nd.
	It was the most eerie thing and I, I, I just felt something, something like you, something major was going to happen.
	Uh huh.
	August 22nd I was just getting off work and I was going home.
	It was late at night.
	It was like 925 and I just happened to look up at the moon and saw that it was probably a little over half full and noticed how bright and beautiful it was.
	I look at the universe quite often.
	I always look at the moon and things and kept noticing it was bright white.
	Ten o'clock, that moon was blood red.
	And where are you again?
	I'm in Minneapolis.
	Usually, it would be interesting to see if anybody else noticed that.
	Usually, blood red moon, isn't that generally a regional thing?
	Atmospherics?
	I'm trying to remember why we get blood red moons.
	I think it's atmospheric, so almost everything is diffraction, one way or the other, changes in color and such through the atmosphere, right?
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air, hello.
	Hey, this is Pete from Philadelphia.
	Hi, Pete.
	I'm listening to you on PHT 1210.
	Of course, the monster.
	And I just want, everybody's talking about how we should get revenge and all the sadness, and I don't want to keep in that in any way, but today I actually felt joy because we've been united In this, in a way that I've never seen in my lifetime.
	Our faith is renewed, our camaraderie with each other is renewed, and we're stronger as a nation than we have been ever.
	Do you think that most Americans understand what may lie ahead?
	I have a feeling that most Americans think, really think, that this is going to be one of those lie-off-the-coast, pound-the-crap-out-of-them-with-cruise-missiles type things.
	And it's going to be a lot more than that.
	Potentially a very great deal.
	I mean, the Afghanis fight a hell of a war.
	Just ask the Soviets.
	And we're going to have to send ground troops in.
	This could be a serious thing we're doing.
	It is.
	I don't think we can really comprehend the full aspect of what we're getting into, because it's like nothing we've ever seen before.
	But I think we're prepared to do what it takes.
	And we have the whole world behind us.
	Well, sure we do.
	uh... or most of the world anyway uh... i noticed the russians have said well you guys go ahead and basically do anything you have to do to handle this but don't expect us to help i don't know most uh... and and i guess we've got the tentative approval of pakistan and they're now rumbling as though they're going to close the border with afghanistan and they're also suggesting that they will allow us to use their airspace and maybe their ground space as well This is James from Peoria.
	I usually hear you on KFYI when I ain't got my CCR on.
	for his launch all this was the rockies you're on the air hello
	closer to a james from peoria usually here young care of what i think
	that my cc are on i know you don't like what i had
	say but i really think we had a new yes will be using i don't think we should send a more ground troops over
	there to get wasted when we have so many dead over here
	You're going to, so when you say, hold it, when you say, let's define what you really mean.
	You mean like, drop a nuclear weapon on their capital, for example?
	No, I believe in that technical remote viewing is pretty accurate.
	In fact, I'm trying to learn it myself.
	Well, forget technical remote viewing for a while.
	I want to know what you think, what do you mean by nukem?
	I think that we can get direct targets.
	You know, we get the whole world's troops over there.
	Look at the way these kamikazes are.
	May I ask you a question?
	May I You know, instead of sending all the troops over there... Newcombe!
	All right, well, enough.
	Newcombe!
	Well, what do you mean?
	Dropping out of the city?
	No.
	Newcombe!
	Well, then you mean turn all country black?
	No.
	Newcombe!
	Newcombe!
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air, hello.
	Uh, yes.
	Is this on?
	It is.
	Turn your radio off, please.
	Yes, it certainly is.
	All right.
	Good.
	Where are you?
	Yeah, I'm in Rancho Santa Fe, California.
	Yes, sir.
	And this is John.
	Hi, John.
	And here he is.
	I hope your back's getting better, Art.
	I hope it is, too, John.
	I've got a similar problem, but the reason I'm calling, how do you think we should go after this guy, Bin Laden?
	I mean, is it fair to ask you that kind of question?
	How do I think?
	I'll give you my opinion, but I wanted to ask you.
	Well, I think that we're going to get the missiles and the bombs first.
	And then we're going to have to follow it up with ground troops, and we are going to have to go and kill him.
	And then we are going to have to root out as many of his followers as we can, and kill them.
	And then, moreover, if it turns out that the Taliban has been helping, which they have, and supporting him in every way, Then we're going to have to take out their military infrastructure and probably their civilian infrastructure as well.
	That's probably what I'd do.
	How about you?
	Well, what I'm thinking is my first reaction, like every American, is to go get at least a big strike and get Bin Laden and just take him out.
	That's my first We have done that now, going after so many dictators.
	You know, we've gone in and had a strike and missed them almost every time.
	They're really good at ducking their heads.
	The only way you can be sure to get someone is to, by God, go in on the ground and get them!
	Well, that's true, but what I'm hoping happens is that we count to ten and wait back just a little bit here and use intelligence to find out exactly where he is.
	And then, once we find out, don't do anything quite yet.
	Wouldn't you say we're doing that right now?
	Well, I would think so, but we need to locate these cells, all the cells throughout the world, and to tell you the truth, what I'd like to see happen is that the news media comes on, finally the government tells everyone that last night, without anyone's knowledge, we took out 30 different cells in 30 different places in the world, plus we took out Bin Laden, but we weren't going to tell you, but it's done.
	It wasn't a lot of troops, it wasn't a lot of... it was done with intelligence and SWAT The only trouble with what you're saying is you're basically relying on intelligence and technology.
	And it hasn't worked for us so far.
	Well, I don't think we've taken it seriously.
	Yes, we have.
	Oh, yes, we have.
	Don't kid yourself.
	I know it says that we don't assassinate, but that's baloney.
	Well, I think we will, but what I'm saying is we are now... I think that what happened Tuesday will not go down in vain.
	I think that what happened there will save civilization if we react properly.
	If we try to stage this with too big of an attack, we're going to just please the Americans for about five days, including me, and then we're going to have a lot of... It's like spraying ants.
	When you spray... I'm a landscaper.
	When you spray ants, if you don't spray them all, you don't get them.
	They run.
	Well, we're not going to get them all, sir.
	I see.
	You know we're not.
	I know we're not.
	We all know we're not.
	And when... I keep saying this earlier.
	When you take the war dice, those are serious dice, those war dice, and when you roll those, lots of things can happen.
	When you really go to war, a whole lot of things can happen.
	My goodness, you can even end up trading nuclear weapons.
	You know, war is just what it sounds like, and you just never know who's going to get involved.
	I'm just saying, if we take it to that mentality of where it could go to nuclear weapons, then we're done.
	I mean... You always have to imagine it could go there.
	And you have to imagine before you start the war.
	But having thought about it, and I've thought about it really hard, this is definitely your basic act of war.
	Yes.
	Listen, I just don't have much more time here, sorry.
	But wait a minute, that isn't what I wanted.
	That isn't what I wanted.
	That wasn't going to work right anyway.
	I've got a special piece of music I'm offering here.
	This works right.
	The words just fit just right.
	Yeah.
	You roll those war dice.
	You're rolling the dice.
	There's something happening here.
	What it is ain't exactly clear.
	There's a man with a gun over there.
	Telling me I've got to beware.
	I think it's time we stop.
	Children, what's that sound?
	Everybody look what's going down He came from somewhere back in here long ago
	Sad about the fool though she tried hard to recreate What had yet to be created
	She lost her smile for his mistaken tale Never coming near what he wanted to say
	Only to realize it never really was She had a place in his life
	He never made her think twice As she rises to her apology
	Everybody else would surely know He's watching her go
	But who will he see?
	No past, now past, no now, now.
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	It is indeed.
	Good morning, everybody.
	We are talking about what else and where it's leading.
	And it's got lots of directions it can go.
	We really are opening... Well, I guess you could really say they opened the can of worms, didn't they?
	And I guess...
	I guess we're going to keep it going.
	There's no choice.
	We have to do what's coming.
	Having any reasonable person looking at this agrees it's an act of war.
	A big, full, no question about it, not going to interfere with somebody else this time, act of war!
	There's no arguments to be made about interfering with some other country's business.
	They came and they bombed our buildings, killed our people.
	Clear.
	Act of war.
	Gotta do it.
	Just a lot of you need to give more thought to what's a-coming.
	And it could be potentially very serious.
	It's going to be something to see how it's handled.
	This is somebody who apparently tried to volunteer.
	Robert, are you back in New York?
	Yes, I am.
	You are?
	Okay.
	You tried to volunteer.
	You're what?
	What kind of work do you do?
	I work for Corrections.
	Corrections?
	So you're an officer, really?
	Okay, you tried to volunteer and what happened?
	Well, it was like everybody else, sitting in front of the TV and feeling the need that you had to desperately get down there to volunteer.
	I understand.
	So, I was going to take the bridge across to Verrazano to drive down to the site, and at the time it was closed because they were chasing somebody on Staten Island that was one of the suspected rental cars.
	So I thought, well, the Staten Island Ferry.
	So I go down to the Staten Island Ferry, and it was right down there by the Red Cross.
	They gave me gloves, flashlight, and a mask.
	Yes.
	And on the ferry, I went across.
	Right.
	And when I got across, I'm thinking, you know, okay, I'm going to go over there.
	I'm going to start torching cinder blocks and pieces of concrete and things like that.
	Right.
	I feel like everybody else that's on my job and all the agencies across the city were feeling the need to be down there to help.
	Of course.
	Well, when I got down there, there was nothing to do.
	The damage was so bad, it was, you had to be, all they needed was iron workers, heavy equipment operators, and the dump truck drivers.
	The damage, I mean, like you think in a movie, you know, you're going to go down there and you're going to start tossing concrete around, you know, looking for bodies or survivors.
	Well, there is some.
	I mean, there's got to be some of that that's going on.
	Some of that is going on.
	It's so minute.
	It's so minute.
	The twisted metal is incredible.
	I mean, well, there I agree with you.
	I do agree.
	I've seen it a million times.
	Beyond anything that you could imagine.
	Anything.
	And I'd just like to let the people know that if you want to get down there, that you'd really be just in the way.
	It is really a heavy-duty construction site.
	That's all it is.
	That's really what it is.
	Well, alright, I appreciate your call, and I think that you're right.
	Probably more right than wrong.
	All I've seen on television, it does look like a very great deal of very heavy machinery is involved.
	Now, at times, when they think that they might find somebody, or have found somebody, or are getting close, or, you know, whatever it is they suspect, hear a sound, I'm sure everything stops and the humans go in.
	But I'll bet you this fellow is right, and most of the scenes that I've seen of this devastation are horrible.
	It's like nuclear war.
	It's like the aftermath of nuclear war.
	And I'll bet that is about what it looks like, too.
	Not that far off.
	Richard C. Oglen, I think, determined it somewhere between 100 and 1,000 tons of TNT equivalent, which, you know, would be a small tactical nuke for sure to have done this.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah, I can see what you're saying is probably true, sir.
	And I guess it would be discouraging.
	And it is.
	It's discouraging work anyway.
	God knows how these people that are doing it are doing it.
	They're not finding anybody alive.
	Maybe they will, maybe they'll be a miracle, but I'm beginning to have doubts.
	All those poor people down there with pictures and everything.
	Yeah, this is war, all right.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, sir.
	Yes, sir.
	My name is Rader.
	I'm calling from Los Angeles.
	First time caller.
	You still call yourself that after they left your city?
	No, actually, yeah, that's my real name.
	Oh, I see.
	Sorry.
	No, that's fine.
	What I want to talk about tonight is a little bit about what bin Laden is about and what he's after.
	Not that I'm for him, don't get me wrong, but this is really about Jerusalem and why they can't find a mesh between what they're going to do with the temple site there and the fact that why the Judaism and the Palestinians, or the Muslims, They don't want to get along, and so how the United States is getting pulled into this.
	Well then they should have brought the jets down on Jerusalem, not New York City.
	They've made a big mistake.
	I understand that.
	Do you really?
	This was us.
	See, this is America.
	Those are our buildings.
	5,000 of our people just under dead.
	I don't care what it's about.
	It's about New York City now.
	I understand.
	And they're going to get their butts kicked.
	We're going to go in and kill them.
	And that's going to be that.
	So I don't see that what you're saying bears very much on reality.
	Well, the three temple sites that the Muslims have... I don't care.
	I don't care.
	They destroyed our buildings and they killed our people, so to hell with them.
	But that's the whole entire religion of the entire half of the world.
	You have to care about what they think.
	I don't care what their religion is.
	I don't care if they're purple people eaters.
	If they come over here and they kill our people, we're going to go over there and kill them.
	End of story.
	Well, I'm saying the United States gave the weapons to Israel to fight them, and they are just fighting back at this point in time.
	Oh, bull.
	Goodbye.
	Bull, bull, bull.
	The United States gave a lot of weapons to the Afghans, too.
	Stinger missiles, they still got them.
	We've given a lot of weapons to a lot of people.
	What it comes down to is they, you know, destroyed major assets in the United States, the Pentagon.
	They killed almost 5,000 Americans.
	I'm sorry, it does not get any more clear.
	Don't try and muddy up the waters.
	And don't talk to me right now about Jerusalem.
	If they'd wanted to hit Jerusalem, then they could have fought the Jews.
	But they didn't.
	They hit us.
	Wild Card Lion, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	Listen, I'm a long-time listener, huge fan.
	Thank you.
	I want to say a few things.
	First of all, God bless America.
	I can't say that loud enough and strongly enough.
	Our country has been attacked, and this is just an incredible And terrible thing has happened.
	I also want to say that you are, you are a true patriot.
	I've listened to you over the years.
	I agree 1000% with what you're saying.
	That last caller, it was completely insane.
	It doesn't even, I can't even imagine how someone can feel.
	Trust me when I tell you, when I tell you, trust me that more people will be saying this as time goes on.
	Now that attention will turn from the specific Act that was done in the horror and the shock.
	They're going to talk.
	You're going to hear more and more of this kind of stuff.
	It's Israel.
	Art, there's a weapon that you have, and I'm so happy to get through.
	I prayed to get through.
	There's a weapon, Art, that you have that our military does not have.
	We know, you know, I know, and I know that the experts know this, that these terrorists are gunning for us again.
	They're going to keep coming until They cannot come anymore.
	You got it.
	Now, there's one thing, Art Bell, that you are the master of and the genius of, and I know that you can contribute to this, and that is these guests that you have had over the years, the remote viewers, the psychics, the prophets, the prognosticators and the futurists, Art, we need to have these people on, without naming the specific ones, but the top ones that you have, and they need To pull out all the stops for us.
	They need to predict and they need to go into all their research and their abilities to tell us what's coming.
	I believe these people.
	I know, in fact, there's one guest who was called for what did happen in a general way.
	Yeah, I know.
	And Art, I know that you can contribute to the safety of this country and I'm calling a challenge that you can meet yourself to please Please have these people on and ask them specifically how to combat these people, where they're hiding.
	All right, all right.
	I've already done that, sir.
	Listen, I'll tell you right off the bat that I talked to Ed Dames, who I've got scheduled for next Wednesday now.
	Listen to me carefully, everybody.
	What we do on this program, I've got a full week of guests scheduled next week, but with the following caveat.
	If the United States mounts an attack, I will disassemble all guests who are scheduled.
	That caveat being in place, I would assume there's at least a possibility that for a period of time we'll get back to some of the things we normally do here.
	Ed Dames is scheduled on Wednesday.
	Moved from this last Wednesday to the following Wednesday.
	And I had a conversation with him on the phone earlier tonight that just scared the hell out of me.
	Really scared the hell out of me.
	And in terms of where they are, Ed Dames has already supplied a drawing of specifically and exactly where Bin Laden is, and from where this attack was mounted.
	But he has had further things to say to me earlier in the day today that just were really, really frightening, and I would have to give a lot of thought to whether I would air these things or not.
	We may.
	These are the Rockies.
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I didn't know I was on.
	Well, first of all, thanks for having me.
	Sure.
	And again, I'd just like to thank the whole... Where are you, sir?
	I'm a firefighter from New York City.
	Oh, all right.
	I was there at the 93 bombing, and shortly after that, I joined the Air Force, did the crash and recovery for them, and just went back to the New York City Fire Department about two years ago.
	Thanks to the whole nation for what they're doing, standing behind us and all that.
	You had a caller a little while ago saying there was a cop saying why he wasn't allowed in there.
	Yes.
	Well, one of the reasons that is, at the present time... Well, no, he didn't exactly say he wasn't allowed.
	He said, if you're referring to the one I think you are, he, in fact, got there.
	Are you talking about the one that got there and he said there was really nothing that we could do?
	No, the one prior to that, about an hour ago.
	Okay, all right.
	A police officer went down there and said, no, go back home.
	You know, his senior officers wouldn't let him go down there, even on his off-duty time.
	Yeah.
	Well, the reason is, it's still a rescue site, and when it comes to rescues, there's so much debris over there, you have to be trained, because if you lift the wrong block... Okay, but again, I said to a caller not that long ago that, gosh, they've got stockbrokers in there, you know, volunteering and down there working.
	Well, they did a couple of years ago.
	Okay, so you're saying that's changed?
	That's changed.
	Oh yeah, now it's mostly engineers and trained rescue personnel.
	Gotcha.
	If you lift the wrong block and everything else goes crashing down, we might still have one person down there dead.
	Gotcha.
	Yep, yep.
	So it's only trained personnel that are allowed up there, and even a lot of firefighters are being sent back, the ones who don't have enough experience.
	Okay, that makes absolute sense.
	End of story.
	I mean, that just makes sense.
	Absolutely.
	And just thanks again for the whole nation and the world standing behind us.
	We lost a lot of brothers and sisters out there, firefighters and cops and EMPs, too.
	We sure did.
	We need a nation behind us at this time.
	Well, that you've got.
	Boy, do you have a nation behind you.
	Boy, has this nation rallied.
	And boy, is this nation angry.
	Holy smokes, is this nation angry.
	And it's righteous anger, too.
	Make no mistake about it, and don't brook any silliness about Jerusalem.
	It's what's happened to us, as in U.S., and we'll go take care of business.
	And in this case, it's probably going to be a war, and there are many, many repercussions to that.
	Hello there, West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Yes, Art, this is Mike in Seattle.
	Hi, Mike.
	I listen on KOMO 1000.
	Yes, sir.
	And I'd like to let them know that I'm happy to be brought back with a mouse to a pre-featured show, even though it doesn't directly, you know, there is a gap of a few hours between that and your live show.
	But it's still kind of neat that people are, during the day, are getting an introduction to what we do here at night.
	That's right.
	I've got a few quick little points and then I'd like you to give your opinion on something.
	First of all, I saw something on MSNBC yesterday that one of the suspects in Germany had actually said they tried to warn the Secret Service that this was going to happen and I haven't heard anything more about that.
	So the Germans have said, yes.
	Yes, and also yesterday you had an Australian caller that said we need to stamp out this I've never understood, I've thought about this for years
	and years with the airliners that go down and there's always this hunt for the black
	boxes and many of them that go down in the ocean of course they are never going to find
	it in thousands of feet of water.
	I've always wondered why there isn't some kind of system which to me I feel would be
	rather simple to have some kind of short burst transmissions or continuous transmission of
	this information and have it recorded somewhere instead of waiting to find a black box.
	In the satellite age, that may very soon be possible.
	We now have satellites that Don't require extremely high power.
	And they would really be the only answer to almost continuous uninterrupted monitoring of what's going on.
	But yes, I agree with you.
	I think it can be done.
	And we're probably on the verge, technologically, of being able to do it.
	But it would require satellites.
	Well, if I remember right, within the last year or so, there was some company that had a whole system of satellites up there that they were trying to sell because they couldn't afford to use them.
	Yes, that's right.
	Then they were going to crash them back to Earth.
	Then somebody came along and had an idea and saved them.
	They're orbiting satellites.
	They're called polar orbiters.
	And it was for a telephone system.
	You're right.
	I don't know.
	That might be an idea.
	I would think that or geosynchronous.
	It's all a good thought.
	I mean, you're exactly right.
	Could be done.
	And the thing I really wanted your opinion on has to do with big business.
	And fundamentally, I feel that Big business does what Osama Bin Laden has done.
	When they have their number crunchers tell them, well, it'll cost us $250 million, say, as an example, to fix a certain problem, but it'll only cost us, say, $200 million to pay off for the people that are killed because of defects in our cars or in our plants, like the one in India that killed 38,000 people or 36,000 people.
	Well, I see how you're making the moral case.
	Yeah, you know, we don't have the death penalty for these people, you know, which I actually, I wish there was harsher penalties, you know.
	I mean, money does not hurt them as much as, you know, you know, when they give you these fines.
	But sir, sir, sir, do you believe Bhopal, for example, was a conscious act to kill people?
	Well, I, I... Do you really believe that?
	I, I, well... No, you don't really believe that, do you?
	Well, not a conscious act.
	Well, basically... Okay, then there's a difference.
	Well, if they don't...
	Spend the money to put safeguards in place to fix things.
	No, no, no.
	There's a big difference.
	Just like there's a big difference between murder and manslaughter.
	Well, yeah.
	Okay, okay.
	Thank you very much.
	There is that much difference.
	Has to do with intent.
	Now, come on.
	Think about it, folks.
	What were they trying to do?
	What was bin Laden trying to do?
	He was trying to kill as many innocent civilians as he could kill with what he had.
	He sure did accomplish that, didn't he?
	Almost 5,000 Americans, twice the number that were killed at Pearl Harbor, were killed by this man.
	And he was trying to do exactly that.
	That was his original intent.
	Well, there's a big difference, isn't there?
	So, at worst case, in the kind of corporate screw-up that you're talking about, maybe you get manslaughter, probably not.
	In the case of Ben Laden, it's called murder.
	Actually, it's called mass murder.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yeah, this is Steve.
	I'm calling from Los Angeles.
	Hello, Steve.
	You know, like everybody else, I'm really upset about this, but I want to say something here.
	This is not a time for us to hold a town hall meeting with the terrorists so that we can feel their pain.
	It is not time for us to run our response to this terrorism through focus groups So we can find the response that's the most politically correct.
	Actually, you know, I kind of like your idea.
	Why don't we do that?
	They'd probably buy into it.
	We'll have a big town hall meeting in Kabul.
	You know, we'll just, in their capital, we'll have a big town hall meeting.
	We'll get all the terrorists down there so we could feel their pain, and then we'll bring a SEAL team in, and that'll be that.
	Well, you know, it really disturbs me a couple of things.
	Maybe we could send Ted Koppel over, then they'd really believe it.
	Well, that's another issue.
	But, you know, what really disturbs me is all these politicians that are suddenly so patriotic.
	I mean, there they are, they're singing all these patriotic songs on the steps of the Capitol.
	You know, I bet a few of them had to have a briefing on what words to say prior to that event, because I'm almost certain that some of them didn't even know what the words were.
	You know, suddenly these people are so patriotic, and I just want the American people to understand this, that these people who are in power now, who are our government, who are charged with our protection, they did nothing.
	After 1993, when the terrorists tried to bring down the World Trade Center, they did nothing.
	And I found out the other day on the website, WorldMedDaily, that the Clinton administration sold the Taliban Who's in charge over there in Afghanistan and who's harboring this Osama Bin Laden.
	The Clinton administration sold the Taliban encryption technology against the advice of the Defense Department.
	Oh, and Stinger missiles and lots of other things when they were fighting the Soviets, that's true.
	Well, it's believed that this encryption technology was used by these terrorists.
	But remember, sir, we deal arms to the entire world.
	Yeah, but you see my point.
	My point is this.
	A lot of people are coming out and saying, well, we need to change this, we need to change that, we need changes in policy.
	Well, I hope that the American people realize when we go to the polls the next election cycle that we need to make some changes of the people who are in Washington, D.C.
	Well, good luck.
	That's all I can say.
	That's what they say every year, every election.
	We've got to take out the old and put in the new.
	Those guys are no good.
	Same every election, right?
	New guy, same as the old guy.
	That's another song.
	I know that you have cause there's magic in life.
	I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles.
	If you believe that I don't.
	the alright here we go this would be an interesting call
	john i'm let understand uh... is military-prime military and uh...
	counterintelligence wise Would that be you, John?
	Yes, sir.
	Counterintelligence, huh?
	Well, actually, I'm a former U.S.
	Army Special Forces, and I currently serve on the advisory board of the International Association of Counterterrorism and Security Professionals, or ICSP.
	That would qualify you.
	Alright, what's on your mind?
	Well, I've been listening to your show.
	Unfortunately, I've never heard it before, and I was quite interested in it.
	And I've heard a number of the callers talking about how to physically secure an aircraft better, or different things you can do to it.
	And this is an area that I've explored quite a bit, because many of the people I've taught courses to, this is a realm of concern.
	First thing I wanted to state is that changing the FAA regulations, or the physical security of our passenger aircraft, Really will not prevent a lot of these attacks.
	The fact that these people got on the aircraft, the fact that they were using box cutters and so forth is more of an incidental thing.
	The larger issue is the fact that they did get training to fly these planes in our own country.
	The other issue being that they had to have had a lot of information about flights and they had to have known what planes were going where, how much fuel they'd have and so forth.
	So this is a larger issue.
	And the prevention of this, truly, is not by making a lot more rules and regulations and giving up our freedoms.
	Well, some of the ideas that have been talked about, sir, it does seem to me are just common sense.
	For example, making the bulkhead and the door between the pilot and the back of the plane, the pilots, more secure.
	That makes sense.
	That part would be good.
	Everything that goes on behind that door, though, there's What they're doing now is pretty much fine.
	There's been a number of people gone on the air, various TV networks that actually have expertise in this area.
	We'd all like to maybe let your readers and people visiting your website and listening to your show know that intelligence overseas by our government is truly our best defense.
	It's our outer parameter.
	While we're sleeping at night, these people are working hard.
	Albeit it's expensive to prevent these things before they even get to our soil.
	And it was at the end of the Cold War that there was a number of people in the political arena and in Congress who were trying to de-emphasize or even dismantle intelligence.
	Well, actually, they did dismantle intelligence, to the tune of about half, I think, during the Carter administration.
	And that clearly needs to be built back up again.
	Yes, sir.
	And this could be part of why we saw what happened.
	Well, that's true.
	There are hornet's nests that we have been involved in, no question about it.
	political realm is that that we've seen the past eight years of bungling over
	foreign policy particularly did stir up a couple of work that
	overseas for all we know that may have been retaliation for that
	well that's true
	there there are planets nests that we have been involved in no question about
	it as far as this being retaliation for it
	off scale There's really no way to know at this point.
	I would like to emphasize, though, that a lot of people are very upset and a lot of times it does cloud our thought process, but looking at internal security measures in the United States, unless people in this country want to end up like Israel or certain other countries, we really need to sit back and look at this, particularly the big picture.
	But if we do emphasize and recreate our intelligence community and give them what they need to do their job, we'll see less of this and we can deal with this Decisively and even quietly sometimes overseas.
	With that I agree utterly.
	Believe me.
	There's nothing more valuable than human intelligence gathered on the ground.
	It is expensive, it is dangerous, but it's very effective.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Thank you for taking my call Mr. Bell, I appreciate it.
	Sure.
	I, uh, in fact, a couple years ago, I had the honor of being in Pahrump.
	I'm a truck driver, and I brought a load of groceries up to the Smith Store there.
	Did you really?
	Well, we depend on you guys.
	Uh, what my thought was, you know, there's been a lot of talk of the different airlines and stuff that were involved, uh, and something that came to my mind was, as a truck driver, what would keep one of these groups from loading 43, 44,000 pounds of whatever explosive in a trailer?
	Nothing.
	You know, and having almost the same effect.
	You know, they wouldn't even have to really crash into anything.
	You know, pull up, drop the trailer, take off, and you know, and they're gone.
	Yeah, isn't that what roughly occurred in Oklahoma?
	Yeah, with Timothy McVeigh.
	You know, but there you're looking at a U-Haul trailer.
	Right.
	One of those big trucks, they'd really haul a lot of it, wouldn't they?
	Well, yeah, you're looking at anywhere from 43,000 to 45,000 pounds.
	So, if there are lots of people out there who are determined to, for example, give their own lives in whatever cause they think they're giving it for, it's going to be real hard to stop, short of becoming, as that man said, an Israel, you know, with people with submachine guns walking around everywhere, and security tighter than... I'd better not draw a parallel here.
	Tight.
	Real tight.
	Um, so unless we want to become that, uh, we're going to have to figure out another way.
	And you know, there are one thing I noticed, uh, even my first year out, I've been driving for 12 years, 10 years now, uh, and one thing I noticed my first year out were how many foreigners there are driving semis in the United States.
	Yes.
	Uh, and there are people from Germany, uh, people, a lot of people from the Middle East.
	I mean, there's a whole lot more people driving trucks cross-country in the United States from the Middle East than a lot of people realize.
	Well, you certainly have comforted me.
	And for that, I thank you.
	Thanks a lot.
	Listen, Elia and I were just talking about it.
	One of the things said earlier tonight on one of those crawls below CNN or one of the channels was that the two targets were the targets that we have now seen destroyed and They're partially destroyed, and also sporting events.
	I wonder if any of you saw that?
	Sporting events, too.
	And we like sporting events.
	In fact, I've got a ride to the next Super Bowl in New Orleans.
	And just exactly how comfortable are we all going to be going into really big crowds?
	I was at the last Super Bowl.
	We went to the last one.
	It was great.
	Even if it was not a great game, being there for a Super Bowl, you know, it's really something And I'm going to get an opportunity to go to the next one, probably.
	And so, you've got to think about it.
	How do you feel walking into a really big crowd these days?
	Being in a big city?
	Now that the airlines are beginning to crank up again, will you ever quite look up in the sky at a jet in the same way?
	Maybe not.
	Maybe we've turned a page in a corner that we're not ever going to quite come back from again.
	Sort of a loss of innocence.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Yeah, hi, Art.
	Kathy in Oklahoma City.
	Hi, Kathy.
	Hi.
	We were just talking about Oklahoma City.
	Yeah, we went through the Murrow building, but before I say what I'm going to say, I want to very strongly preface it with the fact that it is in absolutely no way meant to in any way detract from the actions of the passengers in Flight 93 and possibly the flight It's not an indictment of the passengers who did not assist.
	It's not an indictment of the passengers who were victims on the other two flights.
	It is an indictment on an attitude that's been developed over the past few decades.
	Do not resist.
	If a robber wants your property, It's not worth your life.
	Hold on for a second.
	Let's analyze this a little bit.
	Airplanes have been getting hijacked for almost as long as I think there have been airplanes, right?
	Hijackings, hijackings.
	Used to go to Cuba, remember that?
	All over the place, right?
	Now, pause.
	Let me finish.
	In most cases, the proper course of action for any passenger or even crew member Would be to not resist.
	Because in almost every case before, other than a couple I remember that were blown up on the runway, other than that, every other hijacking has always ended either peacefully or by the plane getting rushed and the hijackers getting killed.
	That's the way they've all ended and the passengers inevitably have come out of them pretty much okay.
	So the reasoned action for a passenger would be to go along with it.
	In the case of Flight 93, they had information about what had already happened.
	So they knew what they were part of, didn't they?
	Yeah, to me it just goes against every grain to not resist, though.
	That whole, do not resist an attacker of whatever kind.
	But ma'am, this is new.
	I mean, mostly, before this, the reasoned action would be to go along and live.
	Because you were going to live.
	It was going to be all right.
	Yeah, to me, it seems bitter.
	If you're going to go, though, take the sucker with you.
	Yes, ma'am.
	Well, that's what they did on Flight 93.
	See, they knew they were going to go one way or the other, and they decided they'd go the other.
	And if that's not worth a Medal of Honor, the civilian equivalent, at least, of the Medal of Honor, I would urge all of you to begin writing to your congresspeople, your senators, And it should begin immediately.
	The men of Flight 93, and the women too, the passengers, who decided at the expense of their own lives, at the expense of their own families, some of those people, those men had two-year-olds, two-month-olds with them.
	They knew what was going to happen, and they decided it isn't going to happen.
	By God, this plane is going down, but it's not going down on the White House.
	It's not going down on Washington, D.C., and they deserve medals.
	And a lot of recognition now.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	How are you doing?
	Okay.
	I'm calling from Winnipeg, Canada.
	Yes, Canada.
	You haven't had many people from Canada on.
	Well, not as many, but you can imagine right now that Americans, being very large in number, Uh, and very concerned about all of this, are calling in at great rates.
	Absolutely, but, uh, I want you to know that we are, you know, with you.
	We had, uh, ceremonies in Ottawa today that, uh, you know, our Prime Minister said, you're our neighbors, you're our friends, you're like family.
	We're, we're with you all the way.
	Sir, I promise you, we really know Canada's with us, and you have demonstrated by action you are with us.
	You have taken care of Americans who couldn't get back home.
	Thousands and thousands of them.
	Well, the company I work for had 400 people working in Liberty Place there, right close to the Trade Center.
	Yes, sir.
	They all got out, thank God.
	But, you know, we were concerned, and we're with you all the way, so we want you to know that.
	But there's a number of other things I wanted to discuss with you.
	This person that called you tonight from Alaska, Oh, yes.
	About the flight that was brought down in Whitehorse, Korea.
	Yes.
	Apparently it was a problem with the transponder.
	They hit the wrong button.
	Well, that would be enough since we know that in one case, one of the planes did turn its transponder off that left Boston.
	I can see on the heels of that occurring that any foreign plane coming in Without a right transponder code, you'd have a lot of concern about that.
	Right.
	Well, apparently they were down on fuel.
	But they hit the hijack button instead.
	That created a lot of problems.
	That would really do the trick now, wouldn't it?
	One thing that came to my attention that was sort of right up your alley, I thought, was
	Was that September the 11th was the New Year's celebration for the Coptic Church.
	I haven't heard anything about that.
	So you think they did it?
	Whoever the Coptic Church is?
	The Coptic Church is based in Egypt and is also in Ethiopia.
	I'm just asking what's the connection?
	Are you suggesting the Coptic Church has done this?
	Ethiopia, I'm sure you're aware there's a church in Ethiopia where they say they have the Ark of the Covenant?
	Yeah, oh yes.
	And they guard it, yes.
	And the Coptic Church celebrates New Year's on September the 11th.
	You already said that.
	I'm asking you, are you saying they did it?
	Well, it just surprises me or just is curious to me that September the 11th is their New Year's.
	Why is it curious?
	Unless you're suggesting they did it as a birthday surprise for us, I'm not sure what you're saying.
	Well, I'm not... I mean, a lot of other stuff has happened on September 11th throughout history.
	Well, I'm sure, yeah.
	So, I appreciate the call, but you could connect a lot of stuff.
	September the 11th.
	Yes, indeed.
	September the 11th.
	I don't think that there's any firm connection yet to the date As any significance for the event.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	My name's Ryan.
	First time caller.
	Hello, Ryan.
	Enjoying the broadcast so far.
	Just wanted to bring something up.
	I've been watching the news here, as everyone else has, and I noticed there's been reports that the Talbanian government has said that they're warning Muslims around the world of a holy war.
	Well, I'll say it again.
	bordering countries that in that sponsor a u.s. invasion
	This just recently and I know this is like contradictory to what they've been saying denying that they're involved
	And the other thing I well, I'll say it again when you roll these war dice
	You never know really where it's going or who's going to ultimately be involved or what you're really getting into
	it It's a big thing to do.
	Right.
	I understand that.
	I mean, I firmly support a U.S.
	action.
	Absolutely.
	A lot of the people I've been talking to don't realize, they keep saying, oh, it's just going to be another Middle East, Persian Gulf thing.
	But I don't think they realize that we're upon probably one of the largest wars we've seen since World War II, if not larger.
	Because I've been hearing things different places on the internet, you know, and I've heard some other broadcasters say it about some talks between the Chinese government and the Talbanian government and some of the agreements they've had.
	And I wonder if the Muslims that did this had the tenacity to do this without having some sort of large backing country.
	No, I don't think anybody really believes that.
	I think that we all believe there was official involvement.
	And that's why the President has been saying the kinds of things that he's been saying, obviously, because they do believe that.
	You know, a war with these religious extremists has been almost a given for me for years.
	I've been knowing it was inevitable, only a matter of when.
	Yeah, I guess that's true, but I think that They have something up their sleeve that a lot of people don't think they have, and they're going to show that card.
	Well, that's part of rolling those war dice, sir.
	They have something up their sleeve, and I just think this is going to be a lot bigger than a lot of people realize.
	Well, they might even have something that would cause clicks if you held the right instrument near it up their sleeve, you know?
	Yeah.
	My father, he's a retired Army Reserve Serviceman.
	He was over in Germany years ago, and a lot of my uncles have been in the military.
	Okay, we don't have a lot of time now.
	Okay, the other thing he was saying is that this is going to be a war that's going to be fought on our home front.
	That when we attack them, they're going to attack us here, and we're going to feel it.
	And that's one thing that people have to realize.
	Well, I think they do because it's already begun, hasn't it?
	Big time.
	It's already happened.
	It's a done deal.
	What's coming is a done deal.
	Although we don't quite know what lies directly ahead.
	Something does.
	It's time to get ready.
	To realize just what I have found.
	I have been only half of what I am.
	It's all clear to me now.
	My very own friend came by today.
	Cause he was telling everyone in town.
	I'll go and keep it small.
	Oh And Marie Germain, of his latest flame.
	He caught him talking, and I heard him say, that she had the warmest, blackest hair, the prettiest green eyes anywhere.
	And reasoning, on his latest plane No, I smiled at tears inside of her brain
	I wished him luck and then he said goodbye He was gone but still his words kept me trackin'
	For he was there for me to hear the cry For you, for you
	The Kingdom of My from West of the Rockies at 1.
	East of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
	First time callers may reach Art at 1-775-727-1222.
	east of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033. First time callers may reach out at 1-775-727-1222.
	And the wildcard line is open at 1-775-727-1295. To reach out on the toll free international
	line, call your AT&T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
	Remember, folks, that's toll-free internationally.
	I sure wish I understood the fascination I have for this record.
	It's just, it's got me so hooked.
	I've definitely always had.
	Unlike anything else he's ever done.
	This, of course, is Elvis Presley.
	There was just something about this song.
	Put my finger on it.
	All right.
	Let's continue.
	Here is a stewardess, and I guess she's been a stewardess a long, long time.
	A flight attendant, actually.
	Twenty-nine years.
	That's a long time.
	Yes, it is.
	How come stewardesses and flight attendants aren't required to wear miniskirts anymore, the way they used to when you started?
	Well, a lot of us are getting older, Art.
	You don't have to answer that.
	Back in 1972, when I began to fly, our skirts were 15 inches from our waist to the hem, and we wore go-go boots.
	God, that was when flying was fun.
	How things change, huh?
	Definitely.
	You have something to offer us, I think, in terms of how y'all are instructed with regard to a hijacking.
	Well, I wish that I could explain this to the general public, but I love your audience, and I hope that their various do, and I hope that I can at least clarify some of the things that have been discussed.
	We are given approximately two hours every year in terrorist training and it's basically based on the 1970s model of aviations dealing with hijackers which you hit it right on the head Art when you said it was basically some nut wanting to go to Cuba And if you just let him have his way, everybody would be fine, and you'd fly back to the U.S.
	with, you know, some cigars and a t-shirt from Havana.
	That happened to me when I'd been flying three years.
	It's kind of like, you know, somebody getting robbed.
	I mean, is it worth dying for your pocketbook or your wallet?
	Everybody says no.
	Exactly.
	And in the past, oh, I'd say since about the mid-80s, they began To stress the dangers involved with the extremist fundamentalist Islamics and giving us specific training.
	But really the way of handling them didn't change that much.
	And I'm just going to give you the basics of what we have been told to do and what we have been trained.
	And that is a procedure that's known in the airline business as the common strategy.
	And that consists of identifying the demands of the hijacker, relaying those to the cockpit, and at that point, all male flight attendants, and you know nowadays there are quite a few male flight attendants, all male flight attendants are to immediately remove their wings remove their time
	take their jacket off and quietly get into a passenger seat and never to be heard
	of again next semester the flight itself sir
	they're seen as a threat to uh... the the control of the uh...
	i hate to keep referring to them as
	islamic but because i don't want to step on the toes of any group
	i'm told that that what happened has happened yeah it's happened so far
	And then from that point, and we're also to do everything we can to discourage heroism from the passengers.
	And at that point, if the hijackers request that they have entrance to the cockpit, we are told that that is what we're supposed to do.
	And that is, I assume, what was done On the first, probably the first two flights.
	Right.
	And I believe that had the passengers on the third flight not received the information by way of their cell phones and the air phones.
	Then it would have gone the same way.
	It would have gone the same way.
	Sure.
	Exactly.
	And I don't think we should denigrate the people on the first two flights.
	I don't.
	As being cowards.
	Right.
	I don't really think they knew what they had in store for them until they were pretty darn close to the The point of impact.
	I agree completely.
	And what they did was incredible.
	They did.
	I'm very in awe and of course it's put quite a paw on our industry and I can tell you there's a lot of very nervous flight attendants right now.
	You know I've heard that the airline industry could be down by half this year.
	It could be the worst year for airlines in the history of airlines.
	Absolutely.
	I took part in a conference call with our CEO and some people from all the different departments today, and they sound like they're depending upon this federal aid to help them.
	They've lost approximately $10 million an hour.
	For the three days that they were completely down.
	Well, here's my... I've got a question for you.
	In light of what just happened, and what obviously everybody would now be suspicious of, in any further hijacking, how do you imagine that the training you received would be modified now?
	I believe it's being modified as we speak, and I think that we are all going to get Um, an in base, uh, more or less crash course within the next four weeks.
	And then I believe we will be, um, given a much more intensive, um, training in our regular yearly two to three hours.
	But I think everyone is, it's clear.
	I spoke to, uh, several pilots today and the number one thing on their mind right now is getting, as they put it, a door that will be at least give them five minutes to do something with the plane to get the plane down somewhere whether it's at a you know at a country airport somewhere or in a cornfield as a landing but they want to have five minutes time the problem with making it 2-2-2 secure as in a bank vault is they have still have that fear of
	That since crashes are more prevalent than hijackings, if you make it so secure, will they be able to get out in a crash?
	Oh, that's a very, very, very good point.
	But, you know, now that almost 5,000 people have been killed, it seems, I think that that possibility will probably, you know, they'll have to find a way to make sure the pilots can get out.
	Exactly.
	Because I think that's what has to be done.
	Well, there is supposed to be, they're talking right now with some military suppliers, and there is supposedly a non-breachable material that is a guarantee, if you have axes, you cannot penetrate it in less than five minutes.
	Oh, we have those materials, you betcha!
	Yes.
	So I think you can look to see Probably, because Alpa, you know, they pretty much run the airlines, the pilots union.
	And if they make the statement that we're not going to continue to fly unless you upgrade this, our equipment, and do it within the next 30 days, that we won't be flying.
	I'm not surprised.
	I'm not surprised at all.
	And I look for it to occur.
	I bet those changes, as you say, They're getting dictated right now.
	I appreciate your call so much.
	Oh, thank you, Art.
	Thank you.
	Take care.
	That was Chris, a flight attendant.
	That's a long time, 29 years.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	Hello.
	My name's John.
	I'm from Long Island, New York.
	Born and bred New Yorker.
	Yes, sir.
	Worked in New York, and I've kind of lived through this past week with a lot of other New Yorkers.
	And I just wanted to reply to something that you were talking about earlier about going to sports events.
	Oh yes.
	And part of the nation getting back to a sense of normalcy.
	Right.
	I don't know if you've heard what Major League Baseball is planning to do, as well as other sporting events.
	Yeah, everything's almost cancelled through the weekend.
	Well, as far as resuming.
	Oh.
	Planning something pretty big, from what I've heard, and I wish I could take part in it, but unfortunately, I've also heard that, and I'm researching it now on the internet, that we in New York will unfortunately not be able to take part.
	All uniforms on major sporting teams are now going to have American flags, apparently.
	They've gone for them.
	Uh-huh.
	And as far as baseball goes, I've heard that all major league baseball games, when they resume, will be handing out American flags to all.
	Yeah, well I've also heard there'll be a hell of a lot more security.
	Yeah.
	And apparently, it was, some information did reach the government that indicated sporting events would be a target.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	So it scrolled on CNN earlier.
	I would still go.
	I would die in it to go to the show of support and wave a flag at a baseball game and get it televised and get that message out there, too.
	Well, after the weekend, sir.
	After the weekend.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Eric.
	This is Andy from Largo, Florida.
	Hi, Andy.
	Good to talk to you.
	Listen, in reference to the Pat Robertson and the Falwell statement... Oh, yes.
	What a stunningly arrogant and prejudiced comment.
	Both of those men, before they ran their mouth, should have fought.
	Maybe they had a gay doctor somewhere in their life that helped them or their kids save their life or get them to a sickness.
	I know, it's incredible.
	What he said is incredible.
	I've seen them do this before.
	I've seen them level outrageous stuff at outrageous moments just to get attention.
	In my opinion, it's just to get the headlines.
	They know how to do it.
	They know how to create the headlines.
	They say something so incredible, so That makes you so damn angry!
	And they get headlines, and they've done this a number of times.
	Well, it's disgusting.
	Say, I never had a cat, and I got a kitten in June, and I'm going to tell you, Art, cats, I swear to God, they can read your mind.
	I love my cat.
	She's so affectionate, and she knows exactly what I'm thinking.
	They also have really good hearing.
	Have you noticed, sir, the sound associated with their food?
	Can be heard from one end of the house to the other.
	In a way, a human could never hear it.
	You open a can just the right way, and you can bring a cat out of anywhere.
	From any distance.
	Even cats that aren't yours.
	Oh yeah, definitely.
	She's gorgeous.
	She's a very beautiful cat.
	And I'm sorry you've had back problems.
	We've all been through a lot.
	In reference to the New York City bombing, or the Trade Towers thing, So shocking.
	It comes in waves, Art.
	I'll be sitting here one minute and I'm fine.
	The next minute, it's just, I mean, did it really happen?
	And to close, I really think, Art, something's going to happen that's so big.
	I don't know what it is, but I've had a feeling ever since, well, for a few years.
	I mean, your book is fascinating.
	Evelyn Paglini and Ed Dames, and I'd like to hear all their opinions, too, coming up.
	You'll get them.
	God bless you, Art, and take care of yourself.
	Take care, my friend.
	Bye-bye.
	Ease to the Rockies.
	You're on the air without a lot of time.
	Hi.
	Oh, I'm sorry, Erdog.
	Very little time.
	This is Keith from Hamilton, Ontario.
	Yes, Keith.
	I had a couple of questions for you, but two people stole my thunder about baseball and hollow.
	Yes.
	But there's a lot of false alarms, like with bomb threats to schools, large buildings, business and such.
	Do you believe it's still terroristic tactics?
	Or do you think there's a lot of sadistic Joe Blows out there just trying to scare us more?
	Yeah, there's a lot of sadistic Joe Blows.
	I believe there are terrorists of this particular group still here, still who are going to try something.
	I think it is not over.
	And our own government just virtually said that earlier in the day.
	It is not over.
	They are still here.
	And we've got to think about that.
	Is that true there were 90 in one day in New York?
	A 90?
	90 bomb threats in New York in one day?
	You know, I'm not aware of that, and I think probably a present policy is not to talk publicly about bomb threats if you can avoid it.
	Now, obviously, when you have to evacuate the Capitol building and all the senators and the congresspeople and so forth are bounced out onto the lawn on their ears, you're not going to hush that one up.
	Yeah.
	But I really think, for the most part, that when they can avoid it, they don't even mention that it occurred, because it does cause copycat stuff.
	Yeah, can I ask you very quickly as well?
	My baseball, I was going to ask you.
	I just think that they have us beat.
	You know what I mean?
	I know the players are probably all negative and the thoughts of playing, but this is also holding us down big time by saying we beat you there too.
	And for example, the games, if they all start, you know, once a bomb threat is in the building, everyone clears out and they win there too.
	I like the way the WWF went about it on Thursday.
	They still held their show and they said, you know, to hell with Afghanistan, you know.
	Well, there is always that argument that the terrorists are having some sort of victory, but I think in this case the public safety outweighed the majority of it because these people pretty obviously were real serious and if they'd do it once they'd certainly do it again.
	You've got to take that into account at least for safety, right?
	Okay, sir.
	Thank you.
	Take care.
	Listen, that's it, folks, for tonight.
	Next week we return to the regular schedule.
	I thought this would be a grand way to say goodnight.
	Speaking of sporting events, good night.

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