Sylvia Browne and Art Bell discuss extraterrestrial concerns over humanity’s space weaponization, citing top-secret witness testimonies—including 1960s moon interception, 1981 radar anomalies, and 1997 Peru crashes—while Greer urges public pressure via disclosureproject.org. Browne’s psychic insights, like cellular memory of past-life trauma (confirmed for Bell’s back pain) and vibrational afterlife theories, clash with callers’ skepticism, including claims of alien "anti-capitalist" messages and Vatican statements equating ETs to divine beings. Meanwhile, Bell warns of gas shortages, Colombia’s 102-death mountain conflict, and the Code Red virus’s global impact, blending conspiracy, science, and personal anecdotes into a critique of secrecy, free will, and humanity’s self-destructive tendencies. [Automatically generated summary]
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Alright, tonight we have business.
The Campaign for Disclosure Man, Dr. Stephen Greer, is here and will be with us shortly.
And he'll update us on what's been going on, and that's a lot.
He had the press conference you were to call the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. We'll follow that in the next hour by a couple of hours of Sylvia Brown, and then we'll do some open lines and I'll tell you everything that's going on.
In the meantime, here I sit with an ice pack on my back, and we'll see how it goes tonight.
Hopefully, okay.
It's been quite an odyssey.
At any rate, coming up in a moment, Dr. Stephen Greer.
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The End Now we take you back to the night of August 1st, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Yeah, actually, on this Saturday, August 4th, we're going to be in Los Angeles showing the witness testimony to anyone who wants to come at the Founders Church of Religious Science on West 6th Street.
And then on Sunday, the 5th of August, we're going to be at the Scottish Rights Center in San Diego on Camino del Rio South.
And both of these are open to the public.
We're going to show two hours of the 120 hours that we have of top secret witness testimony.
And we're going to be organizing people to really take action.
And everywhere we've been going, we've been in Boulder.
We had to turn away 500 people at that event at the University of Colorado.
And we're getting just such huge support from all over the world for getting the truth out.
And I can tell you that it's been having a massive effect inside the Congress.
Oh, they're taking it very seriously because when they read through, you know, people can get on our disclosureproject.org website.
It's just disclosureproject.org.
And there's a 600-page book of transcripts.
And we send that in advance, of course, and their staff goes through it.
And they're astonished because they're looking at this 600 pages of transcripts of people ranging from colonels to brigadier generals to senior FAA officials.
And they realize, my God, this really is real.
It's not just sort of X-Files fantasy rubbish.
And so what their take on this is that they're hungry for the information.
I think we're reaching a breakout sort of event where even members of Congress that we've walked into other offices, they said, oh, yes, we've been following this.
Please tell us.
And I had an hour-long meeting with a member of Congress from Virginia, and this is big news.
He wrote us a letter back saying, I want affidavits from these witnesses who have dealt with the technology and propulsion systems because I want to pursue this with the Pentagon.
This is a sitting member of Congress, and this is in black and white by letter.
Virgil Goode of Virginia is the Congressman's name.
He is stating that he will then pursue it formally with the Pentagon to investigate it further, and that other members of Congress that we have met with have stated that they will then, upon delivery of affidavits, will seriously consider holding these hearings.
Now, that's, of course, a legal process, and we're trying to organize this.
Dr. Alfred Weber up in Vancouver and Daniel Sheehan and others are helping us organize this approach.
And, of course, it's a complex and large effort to get something like that done.
But the fact that a member of Congress, and I met with this man personally for over an hour, and he said, look, you know, I take this very seriously.
I'm extremely interested.
So, you know, look, nobody is laughing at this.
And members of the Senate and House are both taking this very seriously.
And one thing I want to point out is the chairman of the Science and Technology Subcommittee in the House of Representatives, Dana Rohrbacher of Orange County, California, a couple weeks ago talked about, and that committee meeting, which is a very relevant committee, and asked about UFOs and extraterrestrial intelligence.
And I think at one point some of the other congressmen started sort of brushing his face.
He says, no, wait a minute.
You know, I had a constituent who was a policeman who pursued one of these in Orange County.
And, you know, so this is really beginning to get on the radar.
And I have to say to the listeners out there, you can get on our website, disclosureproject.org, and we have a free automated faxing system where you can fax your two senators and your congressmen.
And there have been hundreds and hundreds, in fact, thousands of these faxes and letters going into these offices.
So believe me, that really does begin to have an effect, and that's our intended plan.
At the minimum, it's resulting in the subject being looked at very seriously, being talked about amongst the senators and congressmen, being brought up in committees.
And what's interesting is that we have a Congressman Kucinich of Ohio who announced last week in a major press release from his office that in September he will be introducing legislation banning the placement of weapons in space.
And so, you know, this is the kind of thing we've been asking for, and we're getting some very serious action on a lot of these fronts.
And by the way, the language, if you look at the language of what he's presenting, it mentions de-weaponizing space as well as keeping them out of there.
And Art, you're 100% correct.
I have multiple, not just one or two, multiple corroborating top-secret witnesses from the Air Force, from the Navy, from agencies that have confirmed to me that, in fact, we do have weapons in space, that they have been used, and that this is an extremely dangerous thing.
The reason, we just did an event here in Charlottesville, Virginia tonight, where we had about 1% of the population of this area show up, and we had a military guy there who worked for years with the Defense Intelligence Agency, John Maynard.
And he's one of our witnesses that people can read about in this transcript of book or in the tape.
And I think he's also excerted on our website at disclosureproject.org.
And he stood up in front of everyone and says, look, I was part of this secret government operation.
I saw these satellite systems.
I dealt with weapon systems and satellites that were pointed not towards the Earth, but out into space.
And I was involved in events that, quite frankly, he said he wasn't proud of.
Well, they were, of course, tracking and targeting extraterrestrial vehicles.
And one of the things that has become quite clear, if you look at the testimony of Colonel Arneson and also Bob Salas, by the way, in Los Angeles on Saturday, August 4th, Dr. Carol Razin and Bob Salas, who Bob Salas was at the Mouse from ICBM Intercontinental Ballistic Missile Facility, he will be there with us at the Founders Church of Religious Science on 6th Street, West 6th Street in Los Angeles.
And he is going to describe the event that took place there where there were 16 to 18 intercontinental ballistic missiles taken offline and rendered unlaunchable.
Now, he says that he didn't think this was an act of hostility, but he was trying to tell us, please don't blow up this beautiful planet.
So what we're seeing is increasing numbers of military people from diverse services corroborating the apparent interest and concern these extraterrestrials have in our weapons of mass destruction, and in particular, the placing of weapons in space.
You know, we have a colonel, a Fulby Colonel, who later was with the Atomic Energy Commission and who was given his assignment by Nathan Twining, the famous General Twining.
And he is name-rank serial number in our testimony, and he states that we tried to put a thermonuclear device on the moon to explode it in the 60s and that it was intercepted by an extraterrestrial vehicle as it left our airspace into space.
And every single military guy that, if you read this testimony carefully, you will find that this is a phenomenon occurring all over the world.
And one of the things I said to the colonel who was in charge of the Wright-Patterson facility that the Roswell remains were sent to is that when he asked me, do you think these could be a threat to the national security?
I said, well, obviously, if they have interstellar travel capability, they could terminate all of life on Earth in a nanosecond.
They haven't done it, notwithstanding the stupid things we've done.
To me, that's enough evidence to show that they're not nakedly hostile.
The issue, though, is are we doing things that they're extremely concerned about, maybe even unhappy about, as we ruin our biosphere, as we put weapons in space, as we do things to target them?
And unfortunately, we have testimony from people in very senior positions.
For example, at the Atlantic Command Facility in Norfolk, a man who had a top-secret SCI clearance with zebra stripes, so he could be there during a thermonuclear war, where because the commander there didn't know what he was dealing with, he was ordering a massive extraterrestrial vehicle that came into our airspace back in 1981 to be forced down.
And this thing was so powerful that it went from off the coast of Newfoundland to off the coast in Jacksonville, Florida, and basically the span of one radar sweep.
It disappeared off of one radar and was on another one way down off of Jacksonville.
Well, but see, the poor man, I mean, this was An admiral.
I'll give you the name of him.
He's a four-star admiral.
He was the commander-in-chief Atlantic Command, Sink Atlantic Command.
And this man, Admiral Harry Train, honestly hadn't been adequately briefed.
The secrecy around this subject is so severe that our senior flag officers, meaning our generals and admirals, often don't know what they're dealing with when they encounter this phenomenon.
And in that ignorance can take very dangerous steps.
Right, and of course, they had already, by the way, gotten on the hotline and confirmed it wasn't Soviet.
And, of course, this was in the height of the Cold War.
And, of course, they knew at that point it was extraterrestrial.
But they didn't really know what to do.
And the guy was really in a state of panic over this.
And the man that we have this testimony from, Merle Shane McDowell, top secret, SCI clearance, name-rank, serial number.
We've got all his military forms.
No one can shake this story.
He said that it was a very frightening situation, not because we were being threatened by this object, but because how we were responding to it.
We were scrambling jets up and down the eastern coast of America with orders to force this thing down at all costs.
Now, this is a very dangerous thing.
And that, when I've gone to the Pentagon, one of the points I've made to people there, very senior people at the Defense Intelligence Agency and elsewhere on the joint staff, is that this is a threat to our national security.
This secrecy has gone too far.
And it's become a threat because not only are we not having the good benefits of these advanced technologies, but we leave our commanders and our admirals and generals who haven't been briefed on this in an information vacuum in which serious errors can be made.
So this is something that every citizen concerned about the security of the United States and of the world should be concerned about.
One of our witnesses was a Marine security officer who guarded a site in Peru near the Bolivian border where an extraterrestrial vehicle in 1997, read the testimony, it's there for anyone to read.
It's name, rank, and serial number.
Lance Corporal John Wigan.
And he said that this thing obviously had been hit by one of our systems and that it crashed into a hillside in the jungle of Peru.
The details no one ever knew until this man came forward.
And believe me, this guy was sweating.
He's a young man.
He's only 24 years old.
He was 21 when this happened four years ago.
Maybe he's 25 now.
But the thing is here is that, you know, one of the things I said to the officers at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, given the unbelievably stupid things we have done and continue to do, if these very powerful interstellar-capable spacecraft were really hostile to us, you and I wouldn't be having this conversation.
And so the point, however, is that when no one's mining, who's mining the store here?
I mean, you have members of Congress not being told.
You have presidents being lied to.
We can prove this.
And through testimony, direct testimony, you have to question, are we all at risk by some organization taking actions that are a threat to the national security?
Even if you don't factor in the very serious issue of these advanced energy and propulsion systems being withheld from the world and the rolling blackouts in California and the possibility of global warming and the pollution that we have, you have this other larger looming question of who is taking care of this embryonic relationship between humanity and these other civilizations.
I would present to you, it's time that we people on the earth awaken to this information and begin to be those people taking care of that relationship.
It should not be managed exclusively through an unappointed, unelected group of people who are acting purely within a military paradigm.
Yes, I do because I've met with some of them, and there's no question in my mind that we know who some of them are.
And I'll say this, that they're not a homogenous group.
There's certainly 35 to 45 percent of them who support and favor what we're trying to do.
They're a minority, obviously, and the other two-thirds would like to see us go away.
But I think that there's a growing number of people within this operation who support this.
And I have to say, this is why I'm encouraging anyone listening who is a military, government, intelligence, or corporate witness to UFO events and projects to please contact me personally through our website, disclosureproject.org.
It will be handled very confidentially, and it's very important that more and more of these people come forward.
By the way, we're now up over 450 people.
In the last, since May 9th, when we did this at the National Press Club, there are another over 30 witnesses.
The last one I dealt with yesterday, who's a 93-year-old man, who was present with Colonel Corso and knew and can corroborate much of Colonel Corso's testimony in his book, The Day After Oswell.
Well, I think that it is overall very, very solid.
And in fact, what I have found, and one of the things that this Defense Intelligence Agency man that we had here today with us in Charlottesville, Virginia, he said that he had dealt also with Corso when Corso was in his capacity way back in the early 60s.
And we have other people who have corroborated different components.
Brigadier General Lovkin, who's a practicing attorney in North Carolina, talks about this filing cabinet and this case that had some of the extraterrestrial materials from Roswell.
And he personally saw it.
And this is a Man, who's a practicing attorney and currently is a brigadier general in the Army National Guard.
Well, this was at Maustrom Air Force Base back in the 67 or 68.
And by the way, Bob Salas, who was there in the launch control facility, will be at this Los Angeles disclosure event on August 4th, this Saturday at the Founders Church of Religious Science.
And he will describe this in detail.
Basically, what happened is that in the early morning hours, UFOs were seen over the launch control facilities at a couple different flight lines, both his and another one.
And shortly thereafter, one by one, each of these intercontinental ballistic missile silos were rendered unlaunchable, which they believe was by some kind of electromagnetic failure.
And it was temporarily associated with these UFOs that were right over these facilities.
And he has government documents to show that this happened.
And at least several, half a dozen to a dozen additional witnesses besides himself.
And in fact, Colonel Duane Arneson, who's another one of our witnesses, was in a command center.
He had a crypto clearance in charge of the sort of launch codes.
And he saw the message come across the teletype describing from the Strategic Air Command headquarters that, in fact, these nuclear silos had been rendered unlaunchable and that the UFOs were over the area.
And what's interesting is that we've learned that a similar event had happened in the Soviet Union.
So it was obvious that the, in fact, I think it was Sam Donaldson or one of the ABC News reporters a few years ago reported the same sort of thing happening over in the Soviet Union.
And in fact, they are all independent, and one failing should never affect another one because they have redundancy of systems and in fact the Boeing officials who had manufactured these missiles were in the process of investigating it to find out what happened and the Air Force stopped the investigation.
Investigation, we have a letter from this technician and scientist with Boeing stating that the Air Force interrupted the investigation because they didn't want this looked into any further.
I'm certain because I've interviewed people, not just from that event, from multiple others as well, that it was a demonstration by these extraterrestrial civilizations that they did not want us going further down the road of these weapons of mass destruction.
And I think they were also showing us that, you know, look, you know, we're not going to let you go into space with these things.
And as easy as pie, we can render all of these things totally inert.
And I think that that's an important message for our leaders to get.
And I think that it was missed because it was covered up.
And I think that we need to think deeply about what the meaning of these sorts of events are.
Doctor, we've entered into various arms agreements with what used to be the Soviet Union.
How really disarmed are we?
How really disarmed are they?
Are we going in the right direction, or do you think somebody observing us would conclude it's all false and we're continuing right down the same road?
Well, I think they're concerned that it's not only continuing down the same road, but I think they see a trend towards expanding this desire to take weapon systems from the Earth and place them increasingly into space under whatever excuse they make.
Now, we know that they're not really that concerned about these rogue states lobbying intercontinental ballistic missiles at us.
I mean, let's face it, one of the scientists we interviewed at McDonnell Douglas, Dr. Paul Sitz, said that, look, since the 1950s, we've had the ability to make thermonuclear devices that would fit in a brief case.
And that this kind of threat is the threat you're going to face from rogue nations.
And so the excuses that are being used to spend hundreds of billions of dollars, we know from other testimony, is really going into covert black projects related to these more dangerous systems.
And I think there is deep concern from what I've seen and what I've heard from these extraterrestrial civilizations about that.
You know, Dr. Carol Rosen, oh, who I should mention also, she'll be with me in Los Angeles and in San Diego.
She was Werner von Braun's spokesperson for the last four years of his life.
And on his deathbed, he said, look, we are going to put weapons in space.
We are putting weapons in space.
This is in the 70s.
And he said that they will hoax a threat from outer space in order to convince people we need these things.
And he begged Carol Rosin to do everything she could to stop the madness.
And this was, of course, Werner von Braun was the father of rocketry, and he was brought in under the paperclip operation.
Oh, sure.
And, you know, here he was dying of cancer.
He urgently wanted someone to take this seriously.
And this is why Carol Rosin dropped everything she was doing as a corporate manager for Fairchild Industries, making big bucks.
And that we fully had the capability of doing this.
Now, she did not know that I had already interviewed another witness that we had present in the 1997 briefings we did for Congress who had sat in on meetings where it had been discussed that we would use these so-called alien reproduction vehicles that are manufactured by Lockheed and Northrop and others that use anti-gravity propulsion that are made by humans to stage certain events to make it look like there was an alien threat when there wasn't one.
And this man didn't know what Werner von Braun had told Carol Rosin.
That's the kind of corroboration we have on this kind of scheme that has been concocted.
And of course, whether it's the UFO community or the general public, I think many people are being deceived, and it's a very dangerous game.
It's one of the most stunning things that has happened to me in 10 years of dealing with this issue.
It certainly eclipses the three hours I spent with the President Clinton's CI Director.
And that is the day of the May 9th press conference at the National Press Club, which people can still see at our website, disclosureproject.org, we walked two hours later into a member of Congress's office who was on the House National Security Committee.
And when we were there, nine of these military witnesses and I, he said, the fact that you are here says to me that time is short.
He knew about this issue.
He knew that things were getting more and more out of control.
And I think that, you know, he's one of several members of Congress we've met with extensively who really are taking this very seriously.
I'm not so sure that they know what to do yet.
I think the other thing that they're waiting for is that they're waiting to hear from you, the listeners of this show.
Get on the website, send your Congressman the faxes with all set up at disclosureproject.org.
It won't cost you a dime.
And you can send your member of Congress a letter expressing your desire to have open, secrecy-free hearings on this.
But these members of Congress, and particularly this one in particular, said that he was very concerned about these issues.
What gives you even a little bit of hope, Doctor, that if this cabal, and it's got to be a pretty secret, pretty tight one, is really running things, that Congress or anybody else, I mean, after all, if presidents haven't been brought into the loop, some of them at least, then it's hard to imagine that Congress is going to find their way into the loop?
In fact, I was meeting with another member of Congress.
I spent over an hour with this particular member of Congress who stated to me, this was one of the most astounding things that's happened in the last month.
This member of Congress turned to me and he says, you know, there's a secret group that runs not only our country but the whole world, and we're really window dressing.
But if you'll hold the hearings, I have 450 deep throats that will come with evidence, with documents, with testimony firsthand, and you don't need to be put in the loop because I will put you in the loop.
Now, one of my problems personally is I'm sitting around carrying around what 450 of these guys know.
And we would love to be able to have this live, televised, open hearing in Congress, but they're going to have to hear from not a few hundred, but tens of thousands of their constituents.
But see, now that we have this set up on the Internet with this automated fax system, they don't even have to write it.
The letter is already written.
They can change it a little bit, put their address in, hit a button, bam, no expense to them.
It's sent right to the office.
There's no excuse now.
we've got which we have people who put up the money so we can do this so there's no excuse for someone not put it in Well, aside from being on my program, which is pretty good exposure to a certain group of people at least, pretty good group of people, you've got to build a gigantic grassroots kind of movement.
And the networks that are being built are astonishing.
And these are not people who are just in the UFO field today.
I was just on the phone to a long-standing member of the Diplomatic Corps of Canada, an ambassador from Canada.
He's been an ambassador to nine countries.
And he says, I've learned what you were doing.
A friend of mine was at this event in Boulder.
He got in.
We had to turn away 500 people.
But he said, my God, he says, I support everything you're doing.
I will set up meetings with this person, this person.
This is really happening.
So, yes, I think that it is a matter of networking and getting people involved and understanding that the time for studying the phenomenon can continue.
But we've got to move to another phase as well.
And that's this activist phase of demanding that action be taken because time is getting short, not only for the environment, but for the cause of not only world peace, but universal peace.
And I think that this is being realized by a growing number of people and it's being taken very seriously.
If there are others, and if they are watching us, and I think that you've conclusively proven that, then they should be concluding about now that it's not going the way they want.
We are putting weapons into space.
The threat continues from Russia and China, and as you pointed out, other rogue nations, and we've got our own supply.
Things are not exactly going the right way.
So you've got to wonder, if they're ready to push some sort of button, their finger must be getting, or their claw, whatever, must be getting near the trigger.
You know, there's a wonderful Chinese saying I like to quote, unless we change directions, we're likely to end up where we are going.
And no one ever looks at where we're going.
And, you know, here it is.
If you look at the trend lines, we are headed in a direction.
But the thing that, you know, I'm an eternal optimist.
I really believe ultimately I have a lot of faith in the human spirit.
And I think that if people are properly educated and the light of truth is shown on us, that collectively we can and we will do the right thing.
I mean, I see that no matter what happens in the near term, and things could get pretty rocky, I see humanity starting a new chapter in its history where it learns the lesson of peace, it begins to allow these wonderful technologies out that gives us a sustainable civilization, and then the whole universe opens its arms to us.
I think that right now the Earth is sort of in this adolescent phase of its development, like a teenage boy that just got the keys to daddy's corvette, and we're sort of reckless banging around out there.
But as soon as we get to a little more maturity, I think the whole universe will open up to the possibility for our exploration and wonderment.
Well, then maybe if Task Force Commander Gorff's finger is getting near the button, maybe somebody else higher than him just stopped the hand and said, wait a minute, Gorff, no problem, Commander, they're destroying themselves.
Well, actually, you know, it's interesting because that's not completely accurate either because the fact that they neutralized intercontinental ballistic missiles, and I understand there were some situations where we came close to nuclear war back in the 50s and 60s and 70s and 80s, where there were some pretty strange things that happened that saved us from doing something very stupid.
So I think that they're concerned about this planet.
I don't think they're going to do anything to just swoop in here and fix it for us.
But at the same time, I think they're patient and they have a certain amount of confidence that humans can be wise enough.
We haven't acted too wisely in the last hundred years, but that we can be wise enough to straighten this mess out.
Present trends, environmental and otherwise, with minus the technology that you know they have or you know we have that we could be using it seems like environmentally we're doomed well you know what's interesting about that is that that's not an incorrect analysis unless something significant happens fairly soon our analysis is that these new energy and propulsion systems need to be in a manufacturing
Now, what that means is that we have formed a corporation, and we are in the process of identifying some real energy and propulsion system devices, some assisted by people who have been on the inside of these projects, and we will try to move them forward.
If we get hit with the Section 181 seizure, National Security Act seizure, we intend to defy it.
I am saying here tonight that if we get hit with that, absolutely defy it and still go public.
Now I think that anyone listening to this is going, my God, is he serious?
And I can tell you we are very serious and we have collected some of the most brilliant scientists and technologists and in fact in the last six weeks are moving forward very quickly with trying to put that together.
It's a Promethean industrial undertaking but it can be done.
And by the way we do not, I am confident we do not have to wait for some magic box to come out of the Pentagon that there are people out there who understand these things but they have never had a strategic vehicle for bringing it out to the public.
That's what we have now created and in fact I have two network anchors ready to cover that story as soon as we have a legitimate device that has been tested and proven to be correct and I think we're getting very close to beginning to identify one of those.
Well, we have a wonderful team of people that are in an executive position working with us who would carry this work forward and I have confidence that it would continue and we have wonderful scientists and military people, my military advisor and others who have been involved for years and who are trusted and would continue this work.
And of course this is something I consider because as you know I had metastatic malignant melanoma and was supposed to have been dead three years ago.
So I kind of view myself living on borrowed time in a way.
And so you make contingency plans.
But right now I'm healthy and free of any problems.
The first ones we did in Boulder, we had this for free because the facility was so inexpensive.
Unfortunately, in San Francisco, we had to spend almost $5,000 just for the facility.
And in Los Angeles, it's $2,000 or $3,000.
So, you know, we're asking for this $5 donation just so that we don't, you know, completely hemorrhage totally all of our funds.
We want to get the word out there, and we want to build support, but we're putting on this nominal charge just because the expenses in some of these West Coast cities are so high.
I see her on Pay-Per-View now and all kinds of places.
Well, we've been interviewing her for a long time.
She began her professional career as a psychic on May 8th, 1973, With a small meeting in her home.
Within about a year, her practice had grown very, very large, and she decided to incorporate her business as the Nirvana Foundation for Psychic Research.
Wanted to make her work as professional as possible, then as now, she maintains required business licenses, as a member of the Better Business Bureau, donates a lot of time to charitable organizations, and is working with police.
Her business has remained in the same general vicinity since she began it.
Sylvia's family line includes several practicing psychics and mediums.
Her maternal grandmother was an established and well-respected counselor and healer in Kansas City, Missouri.
This psychic talent has also been passed on to her son, Christopher, as well as his daughter.
There seems to be a genetic component, perhaps, necessary to create exceptional psychics.
Her bloodline carries that predisposition to excellence.
As Sylvia says, anyone can learn to play the piano, but not everyone is a concert pianist.
Well, I guess I'm enough of a researcher, and I guess you want to call it scientific bent, that I do know that it all comes from God, but I do think that genetics helps.
I mean, you know, I don't think we have a bit of trouble saying that, of course, you know, you're a concert pianist because your father was, or you're a great artist because your father or mother was.
But when you start saying, well, I'm psyche because my grandmother and my great-grandmother and her mother, people start getting real freaky.
But I do think that there's a definite component part that's trackable.
Well, you know, you see a lot of daughters and sons of movie stars, television stars, but mostly movies.
And inevitably, they're into the movies, and they're quite good.
And I often wonder if it really is the genetics, you know, or if it's just the fact that mom or dad has the ins, and, you know, there's that early acting school and, you know, all the rest of it.
You know, it's sort of like a Heinz 57 variety that a little bit here and environmental here and the genetics here and the predisposition of allowing it to be mixed all together.
When I've had something that relates specifically to my life or someone or something around me, then I know it's kind of a prophetic dream, or at least I guess I've learned.
No, let me rephrase that.
I've learned over a period of time to recognize the difference.
And I think the more you go with that, you see, here we go again.
It's the same thing as, you know, exercising your back or whatever.
And the more you do it, the more you make the muscles stronger.
You know, I think it's the same thing with, let's say, for lack of argument's sake or hypothetically, that the, like the ancient Buddhists believed, you had the third eye.
Well, that's nothing more than pituitary gland.
Let's say my family has an enlarged pituitary gland.
The more you work it, it is a muscle, and the more it becomes, you know, really refined or defined.
Then why would somebody who wouldn't attribute it to God, somebody who is perhaps even an atheist and yet is able to discern things and a prophecy and all the rest of it, they have the talents, but they don't attribute it to God.
most proclaimed atheists or Or if they did have it, it would be maybe a rare hit or maybe they had built up, you know, like Jim Jones or whoever, Davidian, you know, I don't mean to be discriminatory, but I just don't think they would have it.
You find them to go way off in left field somewhere, proclaiming, because they can't prophesy, so they begin to proclaim themselves to be some kind of advanced messenger, which almost, let's say, shrouds the fact that they can't do prophecy.
That reminds me of a neurologist standing on a street corner with a dirty knife.
It just makes me crazy.
Certainly we all have to get out there and have our radio shows or Beyond Montel or whatever to sell a belief.
More than anything, I'm trying to sell spirituality to people and not to be afraid more than the psychic.
The psychic is sort of, I call it the, you know, sort of the flash, but the real hook is the spirituality.
But I don't think I've gotten, you know, our foundation is more or less a feed-through, and I'm very familiar with lawyers and police officers, and I do know that some of these, which will go unnamed, have been busted lately, especially with some of the ones that we've seen.
And it starts out huge weekly and then it accelerates to three cents every call.
And I mean, after you start adding up, it is just huge.
And I said, you know, not to be altruistic and humble, I said, you know, I love Syrano de Bergerac's, one of his last Phrases that he said before he died.
I want to go to God with my white plume intact.
I mean, I don't want to go and stand before God and say that I took this.
You know, I mean, you have to have money because you support so many people, but I mean, to just do this because you're reading off of a cold paper.
I'm much more a New Testament than an Old Testament.
But you will find in the Bible, for instance, that, okay, all of a sudden God doesn't like the Ammonites and tells, you know, everybody to go over and kill the Ammonites.
Well, logically, you have to say to yourself, who didn't God make the Ammonites?
I mean, you know, it really gets to be crazy after a while.
Or the one I love is when God asks Eve where Adam is.
I mean, does that worry anybody?
I mean, what do you mean does he know where Adam is?
I've gone into the reading room or done lectures or been writing my books or whatever, and I can be having a temperature or, and that seems to operate independently of me.
That's right, Sylvia might have her own issues, as we all have.
But that in itself, you know, my staff often says it, not to be, you know, macabre, but if Sylvia dies, we could put her head on the desk and her mouth would move.
You know, I mean, it's just, you know, Sylvia can have her own issues about her life, her personal life, her family.
But when I'm dealing with a client, that seems to be a part.
I had one, excuse me, a doctor tell me that he thought, in fact, this is Dr. Rennick, who now works for the Justice Department, said that he really was convinced.
He's a psychiatrist.
He believed that I was using the limbic brain, which is the older brain.
He said, I'm convinced that that's the part of the brain that you're probably using, that people used to use.
Let's say that's what kept them from, or saving them knowing that there was a saber-toothed tiger out there or whatever it was.
But as I understand that aspect of the brain, it was a fight-or-flight kind of instinctual animal instinctual thing that, for example, you knew you were in danger.
Everything that man does is accessible because God already knows what man and woman is going to do.
It's just our learning process that feeds data back.
We're the experiencing part of God that is not only learning, let's say, our lessons, but I think we're feeding back the information for a God that is intellectual.
Let's say, for lack of a better way to put it, we're the emotional side of God experiencing for God.
See, everything is in duplication.
It's in duality.
We know we have a left and right brain.
Let's say hypothetically God is left brain.
We're right brain.
So we're the emotional side of God feeding data back.
Well, I think I'm 65 for one thing, and I think that after 48 years of research and constantly, I think it's like a scientist, when you keep seeing something reproduced constantly, whether it's death and dying or like my new book, Past Life's Future Healing, and you keep seeing that there's cures that are constantly being, or people are constantly being cured and helped by past life knowledge.
I said to myself, I don't care how much flack I get.
If this is going to help one person, ten people, which has helped, I can't even tell you, why not put it out there?
And I work with 350 actual MDs, and most of them, especially the orthopedic men, are the really good ones, are the first ones to say that's the last thing you want to do.
And it also, even if you don't believe it, to say when you go to bed at night, if there's anything that I'm carrying over from this life or a past life, and even if you don't believe in that, say I wanted to be released in the white light of the Holy Spirit or whatever your belief may be, Buddha, God, spirit consciousness, white light of love.
I'm telling you the truth.
It begins to, you know, go away.
I know what happened to you, whether you believe it or not.
You were run over by a cart and you were crippled in a past life.
You got to a certain part in your life and your cell memory said, uh-oh, well, he did it once.
Let's fix him again.
Now, I don't mean psychothematically, because the cells have memory.
In other words, if you speak to your cells and they release it, see, I never believed until I started doing this some 25 years ago that cells actually are sentient.
I never, if somebody would have said that to me, I would have said, yeah, you know, and ladybugs talk to you.
I didn't realize that every cell in your body was sentient.
Yeah, when I did the Showtime, the pay-per-view, this man who was literally 12 years, and I had this phobic, I really phobic reaction of, please don't ever let me know who the person is.
So the producer just picked somebody and sent him up to my apartment.
And the guy sat down and I said, you have this thing about breathing and you have asthma and you feel like you're choking and you haven't gotten out of your house for 12 years.
And nodding, yes, yes, yes, yes.
And I said, I don't care if you believe me.
I said, you were in the civil, not civil war, you were in the French Revolutionary War.
You weren't part of the bourgeoisie.
They shipped you.
They shoved you because of their fanaticism.
They shoved you on a cart.
They put you up on the scaffolding.
You didn't get your head cut off, which probably would have been better, have been faster.
They strung you up.
They put a rope around your neck and they let you dangle.
They didn't even have a trap door.
Whereas I've got biggest saucers.
And I could, it's not that I could read mine, but he was like, this is a good story, and I think she's probably a nice lady, but so what?
And I said, okay, you don't have to believe me, Ken.
I said, but from this moment on, you will not be afraid to fly.
You will be able to come to Vegas where I am.
And I said, just put the white light around you.
Well, damn if he didn't show up in Vegas.
And he said to everybody, I'm cured.
He said, I don't know what she did.
But he said, it just released it.
Now, detractors will say, this is a healing story for the mind.
I heard them all.
I know it isn't, but let's say hypothetically, for sake of argument, it is.
Who the hell cares?
If I give you a sugar pill and it cures you, are you going to call me up and scream at me?
Although, I know it's valid because the soul knows that you're lying to it.
It really knows there's a truth alarm that goes off.
well that's really interesting so that this this information about another's past life comes to you i would think as easily and and the future Because either it's circular.
Right.
Got that.
That's fascinating.
And it really is so close to remote viewing if you just change the names.
I mean, they say the same thing, that present conditions, travel into the past, travel into the future is all Stanley Krippner.
You're listening to Mark Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2001.
I hear the drums echoing tonight, but she is only whispers of some quiet conversation.
She's coming in for a flirty fight.
Her moonlit wings reflect the stars that guide the torture salvation.
I stopped an old man along the way, hoping to find some old forgotten words or ancient melodies.
He turned to me as if to say, Pretty boy, it's waiting there for you.
Pretty boy, it's waiting there for you.
Winding your way down a vacant street, lighting your head and dead on your feet well another crazy day.
You're not awake and forget about everything.
This city doesn't make you feel so cold.
It's not so many people, but you've got no soul.
And it's taking you so long to find out you're wrong.
You thought I held everything used to think that it was so easy.
Used to think that it was so easy.
You're trying, you're trying now I know you're here and then you'll be happy There's one more year and then you'll be happy You're crying, you're crying now.
You're crying, you're crying now.
You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2001.
Once again, Sylvia Brown, the internationally renowned Sylvia Brown.
Sylvia, welcome back.
Thank you.
Sylvia, I think that remote viewers talk about the possibility, and in very hushed tones, too, the possibility of remote, what's called remote influencing.
I'm sure you know what that is.
The ability to influence perhaps another mind on the other side of the world somewhere or wherever it might be.
It wouldn't matter in space, on the moon, wherever.
Another human mind to actually influence it in some way.
Do your psychic abilities approach anything that begins to skirt in that area?
Now, you described several things already where you told people, for example, about a past life in which something has occurred that's affecting their present life.
Okay, I can certainly buy that.
What about the jump from that psychological effect you might have on somebody by helping them to understand what happened to them, but jumping to actual remote healing?
In other words, psychically healing at a distance, directly healing.
Is that we will sit around in, you know, in our groups and say, you know, Martha, whatever is having problems.
Okay, let's all focus on her and send her, as you would like to say, which I think is a marvelous way of putting it, remote healing, and send that energy.
And you'd be surprised at how many people, even at my lectures, when I say, let's all concentrate.
Then it might be said then, if that's really true, that while mankind is doing a lot of things that are considered awfully negative, there is an awful lot of positive things.
Well, one of the ways that it breaks down is when a father sees his young daughter get hit and killed by a car or something of that magnitude, it's almost impossible to understand how that man would feel.
If he were a godly person, he might be awfully tempted to say, God, where were you?
And even with as much as I know, when I had nine people die in three months, I want to tell you something.
I had some really ferocious talks with God.
Even knowing everything that I know, there is that human factor that says, okay, I wanted rain, but I sure as hell didn't want a flood either.
What the hell is going on up there?
But then you readjust yourself and realize that this is such a trend.
If I could just make people realize that this is just a bad camping trip, you know, that this is just a very, very temporary visiting place.
And that we all end up at home.
And we make so much to do about this place.
You know, not that I don't believe that you shouldn't live in a nice house or drive a nice car or have a good back and all those other things that we want to have.
But it still is a tough place to be.
It's a rough neighborhood here.
And if it weren't a rough neighborhood, like I said to so many people, I expected it to be so much more perfect.
I said, well, then you shouldn't have come here because this is where hell is.
Somebody mentioned to me the other day this, that in the last maybe 10, 12 years, I have seen more people, maybe it's because they're coming to me more, I don't know, but I've seen more people on their last lives than I did when I was much younger.
I think people are coming to the end of things.
They're just tired and worn out and say, look, I just want to graduate and go home.
I think that hole that we walk around with, that sense of longing, is nothing more than a homesickness.
We've never been able to identify it.
It's a place where no Porsche fills up, no mansion fills up, no diamond fills up.
It's just that man yearns to go back to his original home.
Well, you know, it's three feet up off the ground.
Now, why is it three feet up off the ground?
I don't have a clue, but I do know that it goes at a higher vibration.
Now, that's not just my one day I got up and decided I was going to say this.
I mean, this was from years and years of doing, listening to people that were Islamic or Muslim, rather, Presbyterian, Episcopalian, Buddhist.
And everyone, whether they were in death and dying mode, whether they were in regressive therapy mode, whether they were in astral projection mode or in dream mode, everyone began to see the same and report to me the same topography.
The Hall of Wisdom, the Hall of Records, where we go, where we check in, the work that we do, the research that we do, the animal husbandry, the gardening.
It's a beautiful place.
See, it's just exactly like, and I think Plato said it better than anybody.
He said, we're nothing more than the shadows on the wall of the cave.
Earlier in the program, you told me you had a past vehicle, a car accident, you were run over, you were crippled, but you're not going to be crippled now.
Now, suppose it had not been that that you saw at all, or that what you saw was that I did have an accident, and indeed in this life, I am going to be crippled.
When you get information like that that would be devastating to anybody, what do you do with it?
Do you, without comment, pass it on to the person you've read, or what do you do with it?
At a lecture in Cleveland, a woman came up to the microphone and she said to me, Sylvia, I want to know how long I'm going to live.
And everybody in the audience went, and I said, six years.
Well, the woman danced back to her seat.
She knew, that I knew that she knew, it sounds Like, you know, who's on third?
That the doctors had only given her maybe seven months.
The audience felt bad, but I wasn't about to ethically or morally say this woman is so happy because I've given her an extension that she never thought she had.
And I also believe that as psychic gets supposed to be, see, we've always looked at psychic, and I'm beginning to hate that word, to tell you the truth, but as the ace of spades or whatever the hell they use falls and you don't have any control over it, I do believe,
whether it's Sophie Glutz or Sylvia Brown or something, wasn't I supposed to be written into your life to tell Can Herkinrath, which I did, do not, under any circumstances, take that plane out of Chicago in April.
And he said, I walked around the airport cursing you, and the airplane crashed.
I think also psychics, true psychics, are supposed to be protectorists.
Sylvia, a very, very good friend of mine who had something happen to him and then acquired a very, great deal of psychic ability, following or in the beginning of this psychic ability, found that he couldn't sit in rooms of people.
He couldn't go into crowded places because the din of information that was flowing to him from all the minds around him was unbearable.
But my grandmother, who had died a year before that, said, You will get to that point.
But she said, You'll eventually know how to turn down the light because I can sympathize, empathize with this person totally because I'd know who had an ulcer, who was getting divorced, who was going to die.
and and now you were at fault I mean, I'm sure there are people who may have your ability who are extremely, extremely private about it, but instead you went into the media.
I mean, it's one thing to be known, I guess if you want to go sort of crazy to your, you know, your college friends, your people that I used to teach, because I taught school for 18 years and all, you know, and I used to do readings for the AAUW and all that.
And I used to do readings for all the nuns and priests, which is a book in itself, and that's another story.
But I decided, everybody knew that I was, and to hang that shingle out, I'm not ashamed to tell you, it took a great deal of courage because, you know, I've always said I'm probably the most unlikely person to have the gift because I'm very practical down to earth.
I love my family.
I love to cook and sew and do all those things that, you know.
So I never was Airy Fairy.
I never wore a pyramid hat and burned sage.
Not that I mind that, by the way.
But, yeah, and I just decided, no, that I think that not only do I want to show people that I'm psychic, my biggest message was the spiritual message that comes out in all my books is that you really, this is really, like you and I have discussed, that this really is the trial.
This is really the Golgotha, you know, of the world.
And once you get through that, your Gethsemane, then you get to go.
And that's why I said that's why I began to write the book.
In fact, that's why I wrote the newest book, The Past Life and Future Healings, was because of all the people that I began to do regressions on and also readings began to be cured.
And I said, hey, there's, you know, like I said, it's a scientist who keeps, I'm sure that Salk, when he kept doing it and doing it and said, my God, this is something that's going to cure polio, eventually you start saying to yourself, why should you keep this secret?
Why shouldn't you let people know?
Regardless of the criticism of the detractors, who cares?
And that's fine, because, you know, wouldn't it be scary if everybody believed in everything that one person said?
I think that would be horrifying.
I think everyone, whether they're Christian, Buddhist, Shintu, follow their own way.
And I think that's very ecumenical.
All I say to people is if you're going to do it, be a good one.
You know, do it right.
Because I don't think God is going to stand in a gate and say, now, wait a minute, Art, were you Presbyterian or Methodist?
If you're Methodist, you can't come in.
I mean, how stupid is that?
is there time as we understand time that elapses between lives you know people are always concerned and i know that that the human thing is that when i get over there well i think i get my mother mike And even if they did, hypothetically, to you, they would be gone, honestly, like a day and a half.
See, there's no time over there.
So you come from a time place, this time warp that we're in, to a place that's timeless.
So, you know, I always liken it to the few times that I've been in Vegas.
They don't put up clocks in Las Vegas for a good reason.
That brings up another question.
People will say, detractors and even supporters alike, I suppose, why not use the talent you have to come to that little city over the hill here and take a shot at a casino or two and why you wouldn't need to be on pay-per-view on Showtime or anything else, right?
Well, I never will forget the time that I did, and one of the few times I helped this woman win $75,000.
And it was really a fluke because it just, all of a sudden, numbers came up for me, and I said, okay, well, whatever this means, it must mean something.
And I gave her the numbers, and she sent me in the mail a $5 bill.
Now, this was the irony of it.
I would so much rather she had sent me a thank you.
Well, if you're, Sylvia, about to get out an airplane that's going to crash, do you think that because you are a psychic, that you'd just stroll right on and sit down in the hot seat and be plummeting 30,000 feet an hour later?
I've had after the flight of 800 that blew up, literally a week later, I was taking off from the same airport and the same route, and I did it white knuckle big time.
I've flown all over the world, and to be honest with you, I've had forebodings about a lot of my trips that I have ignored.
I just counted up to stupid background noise and nerves and ignored it.
Now, let me ask you this, and this is certainly not to validate myself, but as we've been talking, because I have talk about remote viewing, I have sent you massive, massive amount of energy in your back.
Please, if nothing else, you don't have to write me, call me, validate, but see in a few days if you don't, because I have so many ministers and study groups listening tonight, and they'll know what I'm saying, that they're going to send you energy.
Yeah, and say, I don't choose to carry all this on my back anymore because you did come in with this tremendous humanitarian rescue theme that you have.
And that sounds very altruistic, but it's a bitch of a theme because I have one of your themes.
Not only that, but if you look at statistically, if a person retires, I mean, and they don't have something to do, I mean, like a wonderful hobby or something, they usually die within five years.
There's a passion away from a human being, and there's nothing left.
See, if we lose our passion, and that doesn't mean we always have to be, but the passion of what our belief system is, or the passion of getting something across, or a message, or a mission, or I don't care if you're a ferocious underwater basket weaver.
I don't care what it is if you're ferocious about it.
But, Sylvia, if there's a God, a real God, then, like, I mean, everything else in the world that we know has a counterbalance, a yin and a yang, a positive and a negative.
Yeah, rather than just Lucifer and his band of happy or miserable men, why can't we say that in the free will choice of when we were created, which of course we always were, but we have to say that because, you know, you can say you always were, but it's hard to say we always, I mean, we always will be, but it's hard to say we always were.
But in the very beginning, let's say, and that's sort of an oxymoron, but in the very beginning, there were people who in free will choice on the other side decided that they would separate from the light.
My back had me bent over and unable to move, basically, for weeks.
And now I'm, I would say, walking 90%, 80 or 90% straight.
I'm still bent over.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm still bent over and cannot straighten up all the way.
I have a hard time sitting for long periods of time.
I had an MRI, as you know, which was an interesting experience, by the way.
And the results of that, both by my doctor and another doctor now, are that they say it is not going to get better.
That's the advice I've been rendered to date, that it is not going to get better.
And, you know, it might get a little better given some time, but basically it's not one of those things that's going to fix itself, which is too bad.
And the options that I've been served up to date include surgery and or pregnisone shots.
Pregnisone is a very, very strong drug that remains with you even after it has its limited effect.
And those options don't interest me, so I'm rolling the dice, like usual, and I'm going to just hope to get better.
And toward that end, I am putting ice packs on my back, the small of my back.
Now, you can actually slip them in your shorts and freeze your back to death, and that helps a little bit.
It's the only thing I found out quickly that heat does not help.
I would sit in the shower, and I have one of those shower massage things and let the hot water beat on my back, and I quickly found out that was a really, really, really bad idea because whatever swelling is increased, and that's really bad.
Really, really bad.
And so I had some of my worst days when I was in that mode.
Then I decided ice was the way to go, and it's been kind of slowly getting better since then.
So I'm rolling the dice, and I'm not going to let them cut me, and I'm not going to let them inject me.
And I'm going to just see what happens.
Because I just, I don't want to go that route.
When I was younger, I had surgery on my back, on my shoulder blade, and they took a, this was when I was 20 years old, a long time ago, and they took a benign tumor out.
And you are never the same after surgery.
You will always know you have been operated on, even if it works out at its very best.
The odds with back surgery are really crummy, really lousy.
And so, once again, I'm choosing to try to just hang in there, and that's what's going on.
Now, on my website tonight, just put up a little while ago, I sent Keith a photograph, what I thought was a really interesting photograph.
It's a photograph from Iowa.
Somebody sent it in from Iowa, and it is an angel in the sky.
And if this is not an angel, this is the closest thing, this is an angel.
Now, in this modern day of digital photography, of course, we have no way of knowing if this is an authentic picture or not.
But if it is authentic, then the odds, it seems to me, of this, I suppose, given all the cloud formations in all of the world and all across this country, occasionally you're going to get one that looks really like something.
But this looks so much like an angel that it just, I mean, there's even a halo.
I mean, we're talking serious angel here.
So if you want to see it, it's on my website now at artbell.com.
It's an angel from Iowa.
Well, more accurately, in the airspace above Iowa, actually.
So that's up there tonight.
There's more of a reason to go to my website.
Also, somebody sent me this photograph of a water park in Tokyo.
And whenever you think you've got it bad, you might want to go take a look at this picture.
Let me read you the caption to the picture.
It says, This is the Tokyo Water Park, where their slogan reads, Welcome to the breathtaking Tokyo Water Park, where you can wash away the pressure and stress of the overcrowded city and relax with your friends in the soothing enjoyment of sun, fun, and splashing.
If you were trying to decrease some stress in your life, this is not a place that Americans would go.
It looks like it's taken obviously From an upper level or even up in the air, it's hard to say.
But I'm telling you, folks, they look like ants down there.
And oh, when you look at this photograph, you've got to wonder about the water.
You've got to really wonder about the water.
the water is ostensibly from this distance blue however there are so many people and so many kids in this water park pool to get in there and not wonder So got to see it.
It's under What's New.
It's called Relax in Tokyo Water Park.
And of course, I did get a photograph up there of this Bushnell telescope that I dearly love.
This thing is incredible.
They're a new sponsor.
And so I put a picture of mine up, and I really caught a kind of a cute picture.
I don't know if you've seen it yet.
But I got Yeti, our newest edition, you know, our newest cat, looking up at the Bushnell telescope, kind of like he was staring into the sky or something.
It was really a fortuitous photograph.
And that's up there.
So all of that's up there on the website right now at artbell.com.
Looking around the world to see what's going on.
Oh, yeah, one more thing.
I was mentioning to you that these ice packs are the only thing that works.
And just in case there's anybody else out there with a really bad back the way I have it, try this.
You know, everybody has a back cure for you.
I've received millions of them in the email and elseways.
Thank you all very much.
But if you do have back trouble, consider what I'm doing.
My wife obtained for me these lunch pack ice packs, and all they are is a plastic bottle filled with water.
And you put them in your freezer and you freeze them.
And then you can take them, and they're just the right size.
You can put them in the small of your back and kind of move them around and freeze your back.
And I'm not saying that's good for everybody.
It's just what's working for me.
But I do have on the webcam tonight.
I just took a photograph of the little ice pack that I use.
I've got rotating ice packs, actually, so I can never be without one.
Finish with one, put it in the freezer, get ready for the next one.
Now, around the world, House approves Arctic drilling.
The House voted late Wednesday to allow oil and gas drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska, rejecting claims that development would devastate a cathedral of nature in need of protection.
Well, that may well be, but we definitely need the gas and we need the oil.
And while I'm a pretty staunch environmentalist, I'm sure you know, I do think that we need alternative sources of oil and gas until we can get off the dime, which we damn well better do.
If I were in Congress, I would be lobbying, I'd say, sure, go ahead and drill because we need it.
And our economy is based on that.
Any fool out there who doesn't think that can only look back to the last gas shortage we had in the 70s.
It's obvious, right?
We have to have it.
But we had better start putting ourselves in a position where we don't have to have it, or pretty soon it's going to be all over.
And it'll be all over when we run out of it, or when it gets so short and so expensive that we can't buy it anymore, and then our economy will go on the tubes promptly.
102 killed in Colombia fighting, Colombia troops and rebels this week killed 87 guerrillas and 15 soldiers.
So they're having some pretty serious battles in the Colombian mountains.
Not a place I'd guess you'd want to visit right now.
Code Red.
The virus like Code Red Worm apparently infected computers around the world Wednesday on time.
Although the outbreak was not as severe as predicted about, 150,000 internet-connected computers were infected by Code Red, according to the SANS Institute, S-A-N-S, a computer security think tank working with the government.
So if you've noticed the internet slowing down a little bit, there you've got it.
Code RED did, as predicted, break out on Wednesday once again and is causing havoc.
And then there's another virus going, a worm going around out there.
I don't know if you've had the message yet.
My God, I've had hundreds of them.
It will say something like, I send this to you for your advice.
And it could have any one of a million different titles, and it usually has an attachment with it.
Don't open the attachment.
If you see something that says something like that, I send this to you for your advice, I don't care what the hell it is, don't open it.
If you do, you're going to get a worm.
Microsoft Outlook based, basically, but you don't want it.
believe me it's all over the internet i must get All right, to the phones.
The reason I was calling is I just wanted to lay it out.
I had some really great information when I lived in Talls, New Mexico, about how to tell the difference between the government spacecrafts that they've made and real spacecrafts.
Okay, now the way to tell, according to my buddy, and he kind of pointed out to me, is, you know, the government spacecrafts are the ones that you can always see as the lights, you know, and they make patterns and they do different things, and they're the ones that most people perceive as the crazy lights and all that.
He says, and what I saw, and I didn't believe him until I saw it myself, is that the real spaceships and the real aliens appear to us in this matrix as clouds.
I know it's going to sound nuts, but we heard so clearly that there is no good or evil, that all our religions have been holding us hostage to these concepts of good and evil, and that nothing exists but this moment.
No, it was just, you know, and since then, I've been living on that, and I watch every night as Peter Jennings, Tom Brokov sells us lives of good and evil.
Walt Disney, you know, sells us lives of good and evil.
And it's everywhere, I mean, from the moment we're out here.
And that message came so clear to me.
And since then, I've been living in such peace that, you know, every day, every day I thank those cloud aliens for bringing me that truth, that there really is no good or evil.
And that's the way we fight ourselves, is by separating the existence into two separate parts.
And it's not only got the Flying Saucer stuff, but in the last couple chapters, of course, there's the one big chapter on top secret testimony of government insiders.
And then there's the free technology chapter and all that.
But it's really worth, I think, the price of the book just for this small, short, hard copy of Monsignor Balducci's statement from the Vatican.
There's even something in there in that book about for you, Art, too.
I noticed in page 402 on the testimony of AH talks about Operation Looking Glass, which talks about alien technology that the government has that can look into the future and go back in time and see what's going to be happening.
Well, sir, I did, because actually what's ironic is that we have a public access station down here called Tampa Bay Community Network.
And I'm one of those people, as you can tell, I tend to call.
And I called one of these shows.
And next, no, no, I'm putting on my own show down here.
But yet I also find myself, the more I talk about it, the more I look at stories in everyday in the newspapers and things like that, it really makes you want to get involved.
And your local government makes you want to get involved just what's going on.
Because you really, if you, and then just shows like yourself, sir, like the drilling and online.
In fact, today I was actually in an office where I was starting to work on a campaign regarding offshore drilling.
Boy, if you can stay in this for a number of years and not get cynical, then my vote goes for you for sure.
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Well, what's ironic, sir, is when I tell my friends about this and talk to other folks about it, it's amazing how desensitized we are as a society because it's literally like every day we get a new story that replaces the next story.
And it seems like we've almost got a cry wolf theory where we almost feel like we can't do it.
But yet last year's election and calling from Florida, as you know, one person can make the difference.
And I appreciate the time, sir, and have a good night.
Well, let me tell you, I just had an MRI, as I think you're aware.
And I intentionally closed my eyes and almost went into a, even despite the noise of the MRI machine, I almost went into a meditative state because I wanted to really see if I could see an effect.
And I did.
I surely did.
I closed my eyes and clouds began to form.
Light clouds, very light, bright clouds.
And they would quickly move out of my apparent field of vision.
And another one would form and move out of my field of vision.
And so the electromagnets in that thing were obviously having an effect on my brain.
And that's the only effect I felt.
No ghosties, no goblins, nothing like that.
But I surely did see that.
No question about it.
unidentified
Right.
And the other item I wanted to touch on was listening to your guest tonight.
I was wondering why, and it probably would be inappropriate, but I was wondering why the Chandra Levy case wasn't brought up.
I probably should have asked her about Chandra Levy, actually.
At any rate, Ed Dames is going to have an answer for us, and we shall see.
Another thing, I thought Ed Dames had just about a hit on Amelia Earhart, if that story turns out to be true, because it was just about, as he said, or so close to the area, it's not even funny.
And what apparently was spotted, the wreckage that was spotted from satellite, whether if it does turn into the real thing, will be awfully close to what Ed said.
Virtually not hidden, not deep down in the ocean, but very shallow.
Somebody who abides literally by the scripture would pick out parts of it that would support that.
Now, I think she did bring up one pretty good point, and that is that there is scripture and there is scripture, and there is some scripture that seems to support people who were seers.
unidentified
Well, prophets, yeah, but all the world of like divination.
Yeah, but at one point it says anybody who would tell you the future is a false prophet.
But at another point in the Bible, it seems to support prophecy by humans.
So how do you reconcile that?
unidentified
Well, God does give prophets, but the use of trying to see the future through means of divination, whether past, present, or future, that is strictly condemned.
That's divination.
That's quasam in Hebrew.
And nehash, neaz, anon, and that's in the Old Testament Hebrew.
Are there any modern day claimed prophets or people in the modern day that you would say are true prophets?
unidentified
There are holy elders in Greece that are clairvoyant elders that are Christian monastics, but they're not equivalent to, say, the Old Testament prophets.
On the other hand, there are people like Sylvia Brown and others that I know personally that absolutely have that talent, have that ability.
Now, I suppose you can say that they're sourced evilly if you wish, and believe that if you wish, but I don't think you can argue that their ability is not valid.
I've seen it too many times, and I'm not easy to convince, and I never believed in this sort of thing, but I've seen it personally up close.
Because the purpose of a past life regression and going back to the initiating cause is not the incident in itself, but the emotions that may be related to it.
Well, as I understood it, if I heard her say it properly, the healing is the psychological aspect of having you come to terms with what happened to you in a prior life, right?
unidentified
In many, many cases, yes.
But also in many cases, there's sometimes a residue that needs to be finished off with some healing.
Well, the way they were going to do it is they said that an asteroid which would be diverted from some orbit it's in now, a big one now, a real big one, I mean bigger than the one that even killed the dinosaurs, would be diverted so that it would pass, literally skipping almost through the Earth's atmosphere.
It would pass so close that it would throw the Earth out of its present orbit and begin to move us out into space farther away from the Sun.
Now, I don't think you have to be a NASA rocket scientist to decide this might not be a good idea, that several things could go wrong.
For example, the big rock could hit us by mistake, come into the atmosphere, just a little error in their movement of that rock, and we'd be toast.
And then, of course, others might imagine that we would be successful, but the Earth would go spinning further out than the scientists thought.
I mean, after all, they do occasionally get things wrong.