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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest.
		I bid you good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be across this great land of ours and well beyond.
		I'm Art Bell, back with my back sword.
		And I'll tell you all about that as time goes on.
		We've got a lot of business to take care of, so...
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		In Winfield, Texas.
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		Welcome.
		That's KMZC in Winfield, Texas.
		Gonna have you aboard KOPD in Perry, Oklahoma.
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		Make that 10-20 on the dial.
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		In Perry, Oklahoma.
		And KRLN in Cannon City, Colorado.
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		Welcome to the program as well.
		That's three more as we go rapidly now.
		We're that far away from 500 affiliates.
		A mark I've been wanting to achieve for a long, long time.
		Alright, tonight we have business.
		The Campaign for Disclosure Man, Dr. Stephen Greer, is here and will be with us shortly.
		And he'll update us on what's been going on, and that's a lot.
		He had the press conference you were to call the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. We'll follow that in the next hour by a couple of hours of Sylvia Brown, and then we'll do some open lines and I'll tell you everything that's going on.
		In the meantime, here I sit with an ice pack on my back, and we'll see how it goes tonight.
		Hopefully, okay.
		It's been quite an odyssey.
		At any rate, coming up in a moment, Dr. Stephen Greer.
unidentified		The End Now we take you back to the night of August 1st, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, it's been a while in more ways than one, huh, folks?
		Here comes the master, the leader of the disclosure project.
		He is Dr. Stephen Greer.
		Dr. Greer, welcome to the program.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Glad to be here and glad to see you're back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Boy, a lot has gone on with you.
		I know you've been all over the country.
		I think you're going to, let's see, you're going to San Diego, then you're going to Los Angeles?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, actually, on this Saturday, August 4th, we're going to be in Los Angeles showing the witness testimony to anyone who wants to come at the Founders Church of Religious Science on West 6th Street.
		And then on Sunday, the 5th of August, we're going to be at the Scottish Rights Center in San Diego on Camino del Rio South.
		And both of these are open to the public.
		We're going to show two hours of the 120 hours that we have of top secret witness testimony.
		And we're going to be organizing people to really take action.
		And everywhere we've been going, we've been in Boulder.
		We had to turn away 500 people at that event at the University of Colorado.
		And we're getting just such huge support from all over the world for getting the truth out.
		And I can tell you that it's been having a massive effect inside the Congress.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Then tell me, what has happened?
		Because that's the arena where something will finally really occur if it's going to, right?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's one of the arenas.
		And interestingly, we've been getting some very positive support from the United Nations.
		The Committee on Disarmament has been meeting with us.
		We have been meeting with the Russian and Chinese and European embassies as well as Mexican embassies in Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		May I ask, how do these countries, ambassadors and so forth, react to your information?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're taking it very seriously because when they read through, you know, people can get on our disclosureproject.org website.
		It's just disclosureproject.org.
		And there's a 600-page book of transcripts.
		And we send that in advance, of course, and their staff goes through it.
		And they're astonished because they're looking at this 600 pages of transcripts of people ranging from colonels to brigadier generals to senior FAA officials.
		And they realize, my God, this really is real.
		It's not just sort of X-Files fantasy rubbish.
		And so what their take on this is that they're hungry for the information.
		I think we're reaching a breakout sort of event where even members of Congress that we've walked into other offices, they said, oh, yes, we've been following this.
		Please tell us.
		And I had an hour-long meeting with a member of Congress from Virginia, and this is big news.
		He wrote us a letter back saying, I want affidavits from these witnesses who have dealt with the technology and propulsion systems because I want to pursue this with the Pentagon.
		This is a sitting member of Congress, and this is in black and white by letter.
		Virgil Goode of Virginia is the Congressman's name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what is it likely to lead to?
		Let's say you supply him everything he wants.
		What is he suggesting he might do?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		He is stating that he will then pursue it formally with the Pentagon to investigate it further, and that other members of Congress that we have met with have stated that they will then, upon delivery of affidavits, will seriously consider holding these hearings.
		Now, that's, of course, a legal process, and we're trying to organize this.
		Dr. Alfred Weber up in Vancouver and Daniel Sheehan and others are helping us organize this approach.
		And, of course, it's a complex and large effort to get something like that done.
		But the fact that a member of Congress, and I met with this man personally for over an hour, and he said, look, you know, I take this very seriously.
		I'm extremely interested.
		So, you know, look, nobody is laughing at this.
		And members of the Senate and House are both taking this very seriously.
		And one thing I want to point out is the chairman of the Science and Technology Subcommittee in the House of Representatives, Dana Rohrbacher of Orange County, California, a couple weeks ago talked about, and that committee meeting, which is a very relevant committee, and asked about UFOs and extraterrestrial intelligence.
		And I think at one point some of the other congressmen started sort of brushing his face.
		He says, no, wait a minute.
		You know, I had a constituent who was a policeman who pursued one of these in Orange County.
		And, you know, so this is really beginning to get on the radar.
		And I have to say to the listeners out there, you can get on our website, disclosureproject.org, and we have a free automated faxing system where you can fax your two senators and your congressmen.
		And there have been hundreds and hundreds, in fact, thousands of these faxes and letters going into these offices.
		So believe me, that really does begin to have an effect, and that's our intended plan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does have an effect.
		You're right.
		When people actually sit down and write, particularly an individual letter, it really does get attention.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And they can do this now with no cost to them on our website.
		We have someone who's underwriting the cost of that, which is substantial.
		And it's become very effective because it faxes a very nice-looking letter right into the congressman's office.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think this might result in congressional hearings?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's the ultimate place, I suppose, you really want to go.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I think it will.
		At the minimum, it's resulting in the subject being looked at very seriously, being talked about amongst the senators and congressmen, being brought up in committees.
		And what's interesting is that we have a Congressman Kucinich of Ohio who announced last week in a major press release from his office that in September he will be introducing legislation banning the placement of weapons in space.
		And so, you know, this is the kind of thing we've been asking for, and we're getting some very serious action on a lot of these fronts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know me, Doctor, I'm constantly suspicious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if we get a treaty that says no weapons in space, it's my view that we'll have to bring back the ones we've got.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		You got it.
		And by the way, the language, if you look at the language of what he's presenting, it mentions de-weaponizing space as well as keeping them out of there.
		And Art, you're 100% correct.
		I have multiple, not just one or two, multiple corroborating top-secret witnesses from the Air Force, from the Navy, from agencies that have confirmed to me that, in fact, we do have weapons in space, that they have been used, and that this is an extremely dangerous thing.
		The reason, we just did an event here in Charlottesville, Virginia tonight, where we had about 1% of the population of this area show up, and we had a military guy there who worked for years with the Defense Intelligence Agency, John Maynard.
		And he's one of our witnesses that people can read about in this transcript of book or in the tape.
		And I think he's also excerted on our website at disclosureproject.org.
		And he stood up in front of everyone and says, look, I was part of this secret government operation.
		I saw these satellite systems.
		I dealt with weapon systems and satellites that were pointed not towards the Earth, but out into space.
		And I was involved in events that, quite frankly, he said he wasn't proud of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, Lenny, now let's think about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would you want to point a space-based weapon out into space?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, they were, of course, tracking and targeting extraterrestrial vehicles.
		And one of the things that has become quite clear, if you look at the testimony of Colonel Arneson and also Bob Salas, by the way, in Los Angeles on Saturday, August 4th, Dr. Carol Razin and Bob Salas, who Bob Salas was at the Mouse from ICBM Intercontinental Ballistic Missile Facility, he will be there with us at the Founders Church of Religious Science on 6th Street, West 6th Street in Los Angeles.
		And he is going to describe the event that took place there where there were 16 to 18 intercontinental ballistic missiles taken offline and rendered unlaunchable.
		Now, he says that he didn't think this was an act of hostility, but he was trying to tell us, please don't blow up this beautiful planet.
		So what we're seeing is increasing numbers of military people from diverse services corroborating the apparent interest and concern these extraterrestrials have in our weapons of mass destruction, and in particular, the placing of weapons in space.
		You know, we have a colonel, a Fulby Colonel, who later was with the Atomic Energy Commission and who was given his assignment by Nathan Twining, the famous General Twining.
		And he is name-rank serial number in our testimony, and he states that we tried to put a thermonuclear device on the moon to explode it in the 60s and that it was intercepted by an extraterrestrial vehicle as it left our airspace into space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And was totally taken out because they did not want us going out into space with these very destructive weapon systems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then we're being monitored very closely.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And every single military guy that, if you read this testimony carefully, you will find that this is a phenomenon occurring all over the world.
		And one of the things I said to the colonel who was in charge of the Wright-Patterson facility that the Roswell remains were sent to is that when he asked me, do you think these could be a threat to the national security?
		I said, well, obviously, if they have interstellar travel capability, they could terminate all of life on Earth in a nanosecond.
		They haven't done it, notwithstanding the stupid things we've done.
		To me, that's enough evidence to show that they're not nakedly hostile.
		The issue, though, is are we doing things that they're extremely concerned about, maybe even unhappy about, as we ruin our biosphere, as we put weapons in space, as we do things to target them?
		And unfortunately, we have testimony from people in very senior positions.
		For example, at the Atlantic Command Facility in Norfolk, a man who had a top-secret SCI clearance with zebra stripes, so he could be there during a thermonuclear war, where because the commander there didn't know what he was dealing with, he was ordering a massive extraterrestrial vehicle that came into our airspace back in 1981 to be forced down.
		And this thing was so powerful that it went from off the coast of Newfoundland to off the coast in Jacksonville, Florida, and basically the span of one radar sweep.
		It disappeared off of one radar and was on another one way down off of Jacksonville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, exactly what sort of vehicle was he ordering to take such a vehicle?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, but see, the poor man, I mean, this was An admiral.
		I'll give you the name of him.
		He's a four-star admiral.
		He was the commander-in-chief Atlantic Command, Sink Atlantic Command.
		And this man, Admiral Harry Train, honestly hadn't been adequately briefed.
		The secrecy around this subject is so severe that our senior flag officers, meaning our generals and admirals, often don't know what they're dealing with when they encounter this phenomenon.
		And in that ignorance can take very dangerous steps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can understand, though, a field-level commander obviously responds to a threat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if something is flying in our airspace, you say, identify it or shoot it down.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Right, and of course, they had already, by the way, gotten on the hotline and confirmed it wasn't Soviet.
		And, of course, this was in the height of the Cold War.
		And, of course, they knew at that point it was extraterrestrial.
		But they didn't really know what to do.
		And the guy was really in a state of panic over this.
		And the man that we have this testimony from, Merle Shane McDowell, top secret, SCI clearance, name-rank, serial number.
		We've got all his military forms.
		No one can shake this story.
		He said that it was a very frightening situation, not because we were being threatened by this object, but because how we were responding to it.
		We were scrambling jets up and down the eastern coast of America with orders to force this thing down at all costs.
		Now, this is a very dangerous thing.
		And that, when I've gone to the Pentagon, one of the points I've made to people there, very senior people at the Defense Intelligence Agency and elsewhere on the joint staff, is that this is a threat to our national security.
		This secrecy has gone too far.
		And it's become a threat because not only are we not having the good benefits of these advanced technologies, but we leave our commanders and our admirals and generals who haven't been briefed on this in an information vacuum in which serious errors can be made.
		So this is something that every citizen concerned about the security of the United States and of the world should be concerned about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to wonder, Doctor, what would happen if we did shoot one down?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, we have.
		And we have people who can confirm.
		One of our witnesses was a Marine security officer who guarded a site in Peru near the Bolivian border where an extraterrestrial vehicle in 1997, read the testimony, it's there for anyone to read.
		It's name, rank, and serial number.
		Lance Corporal John Wigan.
		And he said that this thing obviously had been hit by one of our systems and that it crashed into a hillside in the jungle of Peru.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I vaguely remember something down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was that reported in the press in any way?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Some of it did leak out.
		The details no one ever knew until this man came forward.
		And believe me, this guy was sweating.
		He's a young man.
		He's only 24 years old.
		He was 21 when this happened four years ago.
		Maybe he's 25 now.
		But the thing is here is that, you know, one of the things I said to the officers at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, given the unbelievably stupid things we have done and continue to do, if these very powerful interstellar-capable spacecraft were really hostile to us, you and I wouldn't be having this conversation.
		We would not be breathing the free air of Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And so the point, however, is that when no one's mining, who's mining the store here?
		I mean, you have members of Congress not being told.
		You have presidents being lied to.
		We can prove this.
		And through testimony, direct testimony, you have to question, are we all at risk by some organization taking actions that are a threat to the national security?
		I think the answer to that is yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do too.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Even if you don't factor in the very serious issue of these advanced energy and propulsion systems being withheld from the world and the rolling blackouts in California and the possibility of global warming and the pollution that we have, you have this other larger looming question of who is taking care of this embryonic relationship between humanity and these other civilizations.
		I would present to you, it's time that we people on the earth awaken to this information and begin to be those people taking care of that relationship.
		It should not be managed exclusively through an unappointed, unelected group of people who are acting purely within a military paradigm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think you know some of the who's with regard to who is managing this relationship?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think you know some of the identifications?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do because I've met with some of them, and there's no question in my mind that we know who some of them are.
		And I'll say this, that they're not a homogenous group.
		There's certainly 35 to 45 percent of them who support and favor what we're trying to do.
		They're a minority, obviously, and the other two-thirds would like to see us go away.
		But I think that there's a growing number of people within this operation who support this.
		And I have to say, this is why I'm encouraging anyone listening who is a military, government, intelligence, or corporate witness to UFO events and projects to please contact me personally through our website, disclosureproject.org.
		It will be handled very confidentially, and it's very important that more and more of these people come forward.
		By the way, we're now up over 450 people.
		In the last, since May 9th, when we did this at the National Press Club, there are another over 30 witnesses.
		The last one I dealt with yesterday, who's a 93-year-old man, who was present with Colonel Corso and knew and can corroborate much of Colonel Corso's testimony in his book, The Day After Oswell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As you know, I interviewed Colonel Corso several times, very fortunate to have interviewed him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take his testimony as rock-solid?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that it is overall very, very solid.
		And in fact, what I have found, and one of the things that this Defense Intelligence Agency man that we had here today with us in Charlottesville, Virginia, he said that he had dealt also with Corso when Corso was in his capacity way back in the early 60s.
		And we have other people who have corroborated different components.
		Brigadier General Lovkin, who's a practicing attorney in North Carolina, talks about this filing cabinet and this case that had some of the extraterrestrial materials from Roswell.
		And he personally saw it.
		And this is a Man, who's a practicing attorney and currently is a brigadier general in the Army National Guard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Doctor, hold it right there.
		We're at the bottom of the hour and we'll be right back.
		Dr. Stephen Greer, who's the man out front with disclosure nationwide, is my guest.
		Well, it makes you wonder about the nature.
		What do you think the nature of our relationship with them is?
		Kind of curious about that myself.
		And who presides over it?
		Well, I'd sure love to have a few of those names, wouldn't you?
		And I've got a few more questions about those ICBMs.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Stephen Greer, C-SETI, Stephen Greer's here.
		Campaign for disclosure.
		Let me see here.
		In Los Angeles, Saturday, August 4th, from 1 to 6 p.m. at the Founders Church of Religious Science, 3281 6th Street.
		It's $5 donation to get in.
		That's it.
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		And then on down to San Diego.
		Sunday, August 5th at, well, same deal.
		1 to 6.
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		5 hours.
		And $5.
		Once again, it'll be at Scottish Wright Center, 1895 Camino del Rio South, San Diego.
		$5 for an awful lot of information, folks.
unidentified		dr steven greer you Now we take you back to the night of August 1st, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Art Bell Once again, Dr. Stephen Greer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Greer, a lot of Americans heard about these ICBMs that were supposedly disabled.
		Can you give us a brief rendition of that incident?
		Where was it and how many of them were there?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, this was at Maustrom Air Force Base back in the 67 or 68.
		And by the way, Bob Salas, who was there in the launch control facility, will be at this Los Angeles disclosure event on August 4th, this Saturday at the Founders Church of Religious Science.
		And he will describe this in detail.
		Basically, what happened is that in the early morning hours, UFOs were seen over the launch control facilities at a couple different flight lines, both his and another one.
		And shortly thereafter, one by one, each of these intercontinental ballistic missile silos were rendered unlaunchable, which they believe was by some kind of electromagnetic failure.
		And it was temporarily associated with these UFOs that were right over these facilities.
		And he has government documents to show that this happened.
		And at least several, half a dozen to a dozen additional witnesses besides himself.
		And in fact, Colonel Duane Arneson, who's another one of our witnesses, was in a command center.
		He had a crypto clearance in charge of the sort of launch codes.
		And he saw the message come across the teletype describing from the Strategic Air Command headquarters that, in fact, these nuclear silos had been rendered unlaunchable and that the UFOs were over the area.
		And what's interesting is that we've learned that a similar event had happened in the Soviet Union.
		So it was obvious that the, in fact, I think it was Sam Donaldson or one of the ABC News reporters a few years ago reported the same sort of thing happening over in the Soviet Union.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With one little difference.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Beg your pardon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With one little difference.
		What's that?
		They were put into launch mode.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Into launch mode.
		Well, that's right.
		I'm thinking of an account separate from that one where they were also rendered unlaunchable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unlaunchable.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Totally unlaunchable.
		I mean, in fact, I think they were offline pretty much all day long.
		The other ones that Monstrom Air Force Base rendered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With regard to our ICBMs, was there anything common to the equipment that otherwise could have accounted for that failure?
		I wouldn't think so.
		I would think they'd be extremely independent, wouldn't they?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And in fact, they are all independent, and one failing should never affect another one because they have redundancy of systems and in fact the Boeing officials who had manufactured these missiles were in the process of investigating it to find out what happened and the Air Force stopped the investigation.
		Investigation, we have a letter from this technician and scientist with Boeing stating that the Air Force interrupted the investigation because they didn't want this looked into any further.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I interviewed the people from Boeing.
		I know that's true.
		I know for a fact that's true.
		Now you consider or you believe that to be a demonstration?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I'm certain because I've interviewed people, not just from that event, from multiple others as well, that it was a demonstration by these extraterrestrial civilizations that they did not want us going further down the road of these weapons of mass destruction.
		And I think they were also showing us that, you know, look, you know, we're not going to let you go into space with these things.
		And as easy as pie, we can render all of these things totally inert.
		And I think that that's an important message for our leaders to get.
		And I think that it was missed because it was covered up.
		And I think that we need to think deeply about what the meaning of these sorts of events are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, we've entered into various arms agreements with what used to be the Soviet Union.
		How really disarmed are we?
		How really disarmed are they?
		Are we going in the right direction, or do you think somebody observing us would conclude it's all false and we're continuing right down the same road?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think they're concerned that it's not only continuing down the same road, but I think they see a trend towards expanding this desire to take weapon systems from the Earth and place them increasingly into space under whatever excuse they make.
		Now, we know that they're not really that concerned about these rogue states lobbying intercontinental ballistic missiles at us.
		I mean, let's face it, one of the scientists we interviewed at McDonnell Douglas, Dr. Paul Sitz, said that, look, since the 1950s, we've had the ability to make thermonuclear devices that would fit in a brief case.
		And that this kind of threat is the threat you're going to face from rogue nations.
		And so the excuses that are being used to spend hundreds of billions of dollars, we know from other testimony, is really going into covert black projects related to these more dangerous systems.
		And I think there is deep concern from what I've seen and what I've heard from these extraterrestrial civilizations about that.
		You know, Dr. Carol Rosen, oh, who I should mention also, she'll be with me in Los Angeles and in San Diego.
		She was Werner von Braun's spokesperson for the last four years of his life.
		And on his deathbed, he said, look, we are going to put weapons in space.
		We are putting weapons in space.
		This is in the 70s.
		And he said that they will hoax a threat from outer space in order to convince people we need these things.
		And he begged Carol Rosin to do everything she could to stop the madness.
		And this was, of course, Werner von Braun was the father of rocketry, and he was brought in under the paperclip operation.
		Oh, sure.
		And, you know, here he was dying of cancer.
		He urgently wanted someone to take this seriously.
		And this is why Carol Rosin dropped everything she was doing as a corporate manager for Fairchild Industries, making big bucks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Von Brown Braun.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Try to get the word out about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said that we would, if necessary, hoax a threat from outer space to continue the weapons in space program.
unidentified		Correct.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And that we fully had the capability of doing this.
		Now, she did not know that I had already interviewed another witness that we had present in the 1997 briefings we did for Congress who had sat in on meetings where it had been discussed that we would use these so-called alien reproduction vehicles that are manufactured by Lockheed and Northrop and others that use anti-gravity propulsion that are made by humans to stage certain events to make it look like there was an alien threat when there wasn't one.
		And this man didn't know what Werner von Braun had told Carol Rosin.
		That's the kind of corroboration we have on this kind of scheme that has been concocted.
		And of course, whether it's the UFO community or the general public, I think many people are being deceived, and it's a very dangerous game.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that we are close to the time when such a deception would have to be perpetrated to continue the program?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I believe we're getting very close to that time.
		And in fact, I will tell you something.
		It's one of the most stunning things that has happened to me in 10 years of dealing with this issue.
		It certainly eclipses the three hours I spent with the President Clinton's CI Director.
		And that is the day of the May 9th press conference at the National Press Club, which people can still see at our website, disclosureproject.org, we walked two hours later into a member of Congress's office who was on the House National Security Committee.
		And when we were there, nine of these military witnesses and I, he said, the fact that you are here says to me that time is short.
		He knew about this issue.
		He knew that things were getting more and more out of control.
		And I think that, you know, he's one of several members of Congress we've met with extensively who really are taking this very seriously.
		I'm not so sure that they know what to do yet.
		I think the other thing that they're waiting for is that they're waiting to hear from you, the listeners of this show.
		Get on the website, send your Congressman the faxes with all set up at disclosureproject.org.
		It won't cost you a dime.
		And you can send your member of Congress a letter expressing your desire to have open, secrecy-free hearings on this.
		But these members of Congress, and particularly this one in particular, said that he was very concerned about these issues.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dana Roebacker?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		No, it was a different one.
		And he asked us not to do his name yet.
		But there were nine witnesses to this, including Attorney Daniel Sheehan, who's our general counsel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What gives you even a little bit of hope, Doctor, that if this cabal, and it's got to be a pretty secret, pretty tight one, is really running things, that Congress or anybody else, I mean, after all, if presidents haven't been brought into the loop, some of them at least, then it's hard to imagine that Congress is going to find their way into the loop?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I don't think they will.
		And here's the beauty of the situation.
		In fact, I was meeting with another member of Congress.
		I spent over an hour with this particular member of Congress who stated to me, this was one of the most astounding things that's happened in the last month.
		This member of Congress turned to me and he says, you know, there's a secret group that runs not only our country but the whole world, and we're really window dressing.
		This is a member of Congress saying this to me.
		I'm not making this up.
		Hook me up to a lie detector.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I don't need to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you're talking about it.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's astonishing.
		And I said, yes, sir, that's correct.
		But if you'll hold the hearings, I have 450 deep throats that will come with evidence, with documents, with testimony firsthand, and you don't need to be put in the loop because I will put you in the loop.
		Now, one of my problems personally is I'm sitting around carrying around what 450 of these guys know.
		And we would love to be able to have this live, televised, open hearing in Congress, but they're going to have to hear from not a few hundred, but tens of thousands of their constituents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's really hard to get somebody to write a letter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know that?
unidentified		It is.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		But see, now that we have this set up on the Internet with this automated fax system, they don't even have to write it.
		The letter is already written.
		They can change it a little bit, put their address in, hit a button, bam, no expense to them.
		It's sent right to the office.
		There's no excuse now.
		we've got which we have people who put up the money so we can do this so there's no excuse for someone not put it in Well, aside from being on my program, which is pretty good exposure to a certain group of people at least, pretty good group of people, you've got to build a gigantic grassroots kind of movement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that the Campaign for Disclosure Road Show is going to get that done?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		It's happening, in fact.
		And the networks that are being built are astonishing.
		And these are not people who are just in the UFO field today.
		I was just on the phone to a long-standing member of the Diplomatic Corps of Canada, an ambassador from Canada.
		He's been an ambassador to nine countries.
		And he says, I've learned what you were doing.
		A friend of mine was at this event in Boulder.
		He got in.
		We had to turn away 500 people.
		But he said, my God, he says, I support everything you're doing.
		I will set up meetings with this person, this person.
		This is really happening.
		So, yes, I think that it is a matter of networking and getting people involved and understanding that the time for studying the phenomenon can continue.
		But we've got to move to another phase as well.
		And that's this activist phase of demanding that action be taken because time is getting short, not only for the environment, but for the cause of not only world peace, but universal peace.
		And I think that this is being realized by a growing number of people and it's being taken very seriously.
		We're actually very heartened by it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's something disheartening to me.
		If there are others, and if they are watching us, and I think that you've conclusively proven that, then they should be concluding about now that it's not going the way they want.
		We are putting weapons into space.
		The threat continues from Russia and China, and as you pointed out, other rogue nations, and we've got our own supply.
		Things are not exactly going the right way.
		So you've got to wonder, if they're ready to push some sort of button, their finger must be getting, or their claw, whatever, must be getting near the trigger.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that this is the issue.
		You know, there's a wonderful Chinese saying I like to quote, unless we change directions, we're likely to end up where we are going.
		And no one ever looks at where we're going.
		And, you know, here it is.
		If you look at the trend lines, we are headed in a direction.
		But the thing that, you know, I'm an eternal optimist.
		I really believe ultimately I have a lot of faith in the human spirit.
		And I think that if people are properly educated and the light of truth is shown on us, that collectively we can and we will do the right thing.
		I mean, I see that no matter what happens in the near term, and things could get pretty rocky, I see humanity starting a new chapter in its history where it learns the lesson of peace, it begins to allow these wonderful technologies out that gives us a sustainable civilization, and then the whole universe opens its arms to us.
		I think that right now the Earth is sort of in this adolescent phase of its development, like a teenage boy that just got the keys to daddy's corvette, and we're sort of reckless banging around out there.
		But as soon as we get to a little more maturity, I think the whole universe will open up to the possibility for our exploration and wonderment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, then maybe if Task Force Commander Gorff's finger is getting near the button, maybe somebody else higher than him just stopped the hand and said, wait a minute, Gorff, no problem, Commander, they're destroying themselves.
		We just wait.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, you know, it's interesting because that's not completely accurate either because the fact that they neutralized intercontinental ballistic missiles, and I understand there were some situations where we came close to nuclear war back in the 50s and 60s and 70s and 80s, where there were some pretty strange things that happened that saved us from doing something very stupid.
		So I think that they're concerned about this planet.
		I don't think they're going to do anything to just swoop in here and fix it for us.
		But at the same time, I think they're patient and they have a certain amount of confidence that humans can be wise enough.
		We haven't acted too wisely in the last hundred years, but that we can be wise enough to straighten this mess out.
		And I really believe that.
		I deeply believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're an optimist.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
		Present trends, environmental and otherwise, with minus the technology that you know they have or you know we have that we could be using it seems like environmentally we're doomed well you know what's interesting about that is that that's not an incorrect analysis unless something significant happens fairly soon our analysis is that these new energy and propulsion systems need to be in a manufacturing
		by the first quarter of 2004.
		Now, that's less than three years away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure is.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Now, what that means is that we have formed a corporation, and we are in the process of identifying some real energy and propulsion system devices, some assisted by people who have been on the inside of these projects, and we will try to move them forward.
		If we get hit with the Section 181 seizure, National Security Act seizure, we intend to defy it.
		I am saying here tonight that if we get hit with that, absolutely defy it and still go public.
		Now I think that anyone listening to this is going, my God, is he serious?
		And I can tell you we are very serious and we have collected some of the most brilliant scientists and technologists and in fact in the last six weeks are moving forward very quickly with trying to put that together.
		It's a Promethean industrial undertaking but it can be done.
		And by the way we do not, I am confident we do not have to wait for some magic box to come out of the Pentagon that there are people out there who understand these things but they have never had a strategic vehicle for bringing it out to the public.
		That's what we have now created and in fact I have two network anchors ready to cover that story as soon as we have a legitimate device that has been tested and proven to be correct and I think we're getting very close to beginning to identify one of those.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, if you were not heading the project for disclosure and you were suddenly off-planet one way or the other, what would happen to it?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have a wonderful team of people that are in an executive position working with us who would carry this work forward and I have confidence that it would continue and we have wonderful scientists and military people, my military advisor and others who have been involved for years and who are trusted and would continue this work.
		And of course this is something I consider because as you know I had metastatic malignant melanoma and was supposed to have been dead three years ago.
		So I kind of view myself living on borrowed time in a way.
		And so you make contingency plans.
		But right now I'm healthy and free of any problems.
		And my view of it is that, hey, let's go.
		But we do have a backup system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's do it again.
		You've got two dates coming up where people in Southern California can benefit for five bucks and they can go and see all you've got to offer.
		Los Angeles Saturday, August 4th, 1 to 6.
		Founders Church of Religious Science at 3281 West 6th Street.
		That's $5, folks, 1 to 6.
		And then in San Diego, Sunday, August 5th, 1 to 6 again, 5 hours long.
		Campaign for disclosure, Scottish Rights Center, 1895 Camino Del Rio South San Diego, $5 to get in.
		That's a lot for $5.
		That's what, $1 an hour.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I even apologize for that.
		The first ones we did in Boulder, we had this for free because the facility was so inexpensive.
		Unfortunately, in San Francisco, we had to spend almost $5,000 just for the facility.
		And in Los Angeles, it's $2,000 or $3,000.
		So, you know, we're asking for this $5 donation just so that we don't, you know, completely hemorrhage totally all of our funds.
		We want to get the word out there, and we want to build support, but we're putting on this nominal charge just because the expenses in some of these West Coast cities are so high.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, I understand.
		We're out of time.
		All I can say is stay healthy for God's sakes and hang in there.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		You too, and take care of your bag.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, my friend.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
		Dr. Stephen Greer, folks, he's got his neck out 100 miles.
		So if you're in one of those cities, you might support him.
		Don't mind.
		See what you think of all this.
unidentified		It's definitely mind-blowing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2001.
		When I dig a dig a down about an hour ago Jugga dig a round day when the wind flow When I let the ocean I'm going
		to let the ocean.
		I'm going to let the ocean.
		I can feel it coming in the air tonight.
		Oh, Lord.
		And I've been waiting for this over my life.
		Oh, Lord.
		Can you feel it coming in the air of night?
		Oh Lord, Oh Lord.
		Oh Lord.
		When they told me you were drowning out.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired August 1st, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Coming up in a moment, Sylvia Brown.
		She's probably one of the most internationally famous psychics in the world right now.
		Stay right where you are.
		Coming up, Sylvia Brown.
unidentified		The End Now we take you back to the night of August 1st, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		The End You all know who Sylvia Brown is, I trust, don't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She's all over the place now.
		I see her on Pay-Per-View now and all kinds of places.
		Well, we've been interviewing her for a long time.
		She began her professional career as a psychic on May 8th, 1973, With a small meeting in her home.
		Within about a year, her practice had grown very, very large, and she decided to incorporate her business as the Nirvana Foundation for Psychic Research.
		Wanted to make her work as professional as possible, then as now, she maintains required business licenses, as a member of the Better Business Bureau, donates a lot of time to charitable organizations, and is working with police.
		Her business has remained in the same general vicinity since she began it.
		Sylvia's family line includes several practicing psychics and mediums.
		Her maternal grandmother was an established and well-respected counselor and healer in Kansas City, Missouri.
		This psychic talent has also been passed on to her son, Christopher, as well as his daughter.
		There seems to be a genetic component, perhaps, necessary to create exceptional psychics.
		Her bloodline carries that predisposition to excellence.
		As Sylvia says, anyone can learn to play the piano, but not everyone is a concert pianist.
		Here's our concert pianist, Sylvia Brown.
		Hi, Sylvia.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's been a while.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it has.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It's always good to be with you, Sylvia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's always good to have you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia, you believe that, then, that this is carried genetically through families?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess I'm enough of a researcher, and I guess you want to call it scientific bent, that I do know that it all comes from God, but I do think that genetics helps.
		I mean, you know, I don't think we have a bit of trouble saying that, of course, you know, you're a concert pianist because your father was, or you're a great artist because your father or mother was.
		But when you start saying, well, I'm psyche because my grandmother and my great-grandmother and her mother, people start getting real freaky.
		But I do think that there's a definite component part that's trackable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you see a lot of daughters and sons of movie stars, television stars, but mostly movies.
		And inevitably, they're into the movies, and they're quite good.
		And I often wonder if it really is the genetics, you know, or if it's just the fact that mom or dad has the ins, and, you know, there's that early acting school and, you know, all the rest of it.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It's probably part and parcel.
		You know, it's sort of like a Heinz 57 variety that a little bit here and environmental here and the genetics here and the predisposition of allowing it to be mixed all together.
		And, you know, it probably does come out as that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a lot of really prophetic dreams.
		I have for a long time.
		A lot of dreams that come true.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is it that future prophecy, personal prophecy mostly, comes to us in our sleep?
unidentified		Do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think it does that?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you've ever noticed anyone who has an analytical thinking mind, which you do have, by the way, you're always thinking.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		If you're not running ahead of yourself, analyzing what's been done, what's going to be done, when would you have time during the day?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I analyze things to death, Sylvia.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I know you do.
		But when would you get a chance to have that opening, let's say?
		Let's call it for lack of a better word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a really good point.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You know, as at night, you wouldn't have it during the day.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Your mind's too busy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess that might be true.
		And then when you relax, I guess you're subconscious.
		Just lets everything in and away you go.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's the whole idea of alpha state.
		I mean, whether you're in theta, delta, alpha, it doesn't make any difference.
		At least the powers that be say, you know, our mind's quiet now.
		Let's push it in.
		It's the only time it is quiet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia, are you on some kind of a microphone or something?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I'm on a headset.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any chance you could pick up the phone?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Sure, I can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's compare it right here on the air and see what we think.
		How's that?
		Let's see.
		Say something.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Is that better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is better.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is better, yes.
		Okay, well, I guess a lot of people probably have these prophetic sort of dreams, and they don't pay any attention to them.
		Wouldn't you think?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And you see, prophetic dreams, as you well know because you've had them, are very sequential.
		They're not gibberish.
		We all have these, what I call, you know, sort of maniacal, idiotic, dumping dreams.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have lots of those.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's a release dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I know the difference.
		When I've had something that relates specifically to my life or someone or something around me, then I know it's kind of a prophetic dream, or at least I guess I've learned.
		No, let me rephrase that.
		I've learned over a period of time to recognize the difference.
		You bet.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You know why?
		Because art, it comes sequentially.
		It's too realistic for it to be all jumbled up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, you're right.
		It's not all jumbled up.
		It's very specific.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, you.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And I think the more you go with that, you see, here we go again.
		It's the same thing as, you know, exercising your back or whatever.
		And the more you do it, the more you make the muscles stronger.
		You know, I think it's the same thing with, let's say, for lack of argument's sake or hypothetically, that the, like the ancient Buddhists believed, you had the third eye.
		Well, that's nothing more than pituitary gland.
		Let's say my family has an enlarged pituitary gland.
		The more you work it, it is a muscle, and the more it becomes, you know, really refined or defined.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So tell me, have you ever had any tests, Sylvia?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean medical tests.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes, medical tests, and I can name you the doctors, which most people won't, but I will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of tests did you have?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I had three-hour MMPI.
		I had a light test, probing, prodding, psychological.
		I had it with Dr. Beale, Dr. Blattner, Dr. Rennick.
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And did any of these positions detect anything abnormal within you?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, it came out that it was kind of funny.
		I could even send you that.
		Sylvia is very, very normal.
		Sylvia has her own I am intact.
		She doesn't need this alter ego thing.
		I mean, you know, they said she could have been a stand-up comedian.
		She could have been a speaker.
		So in other words, I didn't have to rely on being psychic.
		And it came back that she's very normal.
		In fact, one doctor, Dr. Bill, said she's disgustingly normal, but she has this paranormal ability that we can't figure out what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Other than genetics, to what do you attribute it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think God?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then why would somebody who wouldn't attribute it to God, somebody who is perhaps even an atheist and yet is able to discern things and a prophecy and all the rest of it, they have the talents, but they don't attribute it to God.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I don't think they do, though.
		You know, I've been in this business.
		I'll be 65 in October.
		I've been practicing, I mean, literally, as we call it, card-carrying psychic for 48 years.
		I have never seen anyone that good that didn't believe in God.
		I mean, they might have a short stint, but what worries me is when I see these people and they don't attribute it to being a vehicle for God.
		And I'm not being humble.
		I think we're all tubes by which energy comes through and God's energy.
		I just don't think they have it then.
unidentified		huh uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		so you think that uh...
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		most proclaimed atheists or Or if they did have it, it would be maybe a rare hit or maybe they had built up, you know, like Jim Jones or whoever, Davidian, you know, I don't mean to be discriminatory, but I just don't think they would have it.
		You find them to go way off in left field somewhere, proclaiming, because they can't prophesy, so they begin to proclaim themselves to be some kind of advanced messenger, which almost, let's say, shrouds the fact that they can't do prophecy.
		So in other words, they have to become occultist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that mean their talent is not real or their ability is not real?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It's not real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not real.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that brings up another topic.
		You know, I, like everybody else who watches late-night television, I'm always up late.
		The psychic 900 lines now proliferate.
		Oh, my gosh, Leo.
		Oh, there are some pretty interesting advertisements on TV now for psychics.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a group, but not specifically, as a group, how would you comment on this proliferation?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		That reminds me of a neurologist standing on a street corner with a dirty knife.
		It just makes me crazy.
		Certainly we all have to get out there and have our radio shows or Beyond Montel or whatever to sell a belief.
		More than anything, I'm trying to sell spirituality to people and not to be afraid more than the psychic.
		The psychic is sort of, I call it the, you know, sort of the flash, but the real hook is the spirituality.
		But I don't think I've gotten, you know, our foundation is more or less a feed-through, and I'm very familiar with lawyers and police officers, and I do know that some of these, which will go unnamed, have been busted lately, especially with some of the ones that we've seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Busted lately?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes, very.
		It's on the internet.
		They were actually billing, having people being billed, or say they were billing, they were dead.
		I mean, they were actually, you know, using dead people's names.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Wow.
		So are any of these things, do you think, that you see legitimate?
		I mean, you know, no.
		Then what are they doing?
		I mean, if they, you know, in the ads that you'll see on TV, they'll say, oh, oh, my God, your husband's cheating on you.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you knew that, didn't we?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That kind of thing.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		I was asked, which I won't name the name of the company, but big company out of New York, to sponsor a 900 number.
		And I can tell you the truth, Art, I had a real strong talk with God that night because, I mean, the money is astronomical.
		And I said, I can't do that for one thing.
		I'd have to answer every phone.
		How could I do that?
		And they said, to me, you can write a script.
		I said, you can't.
		Now, see, that's a cold reading.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the kind of thing they do.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've had nine.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You've gone from darkness into light.
		You know, you have a weeping spirit over your shoulder.
		I mean, come on.
		Who doesn't?
		Or who can't?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you just, you turn them down.
		I did too.
		I had them approach me, and I said the same thing.
		There's no way.
		I don't have enough time.
		And then they gave me the script business.
		So I guess they hit everybody the same way.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And the money is astronomical.
		And it starts out huge weekly and then it accelerates to three cents every call.
		And I mean, after you start adding up, it is just huge.
		And I said, you know, not to be altruistic and humble, I said, you know, I love Syrano de Bergerac's, one of his last Phrases that he said before he died.
		I want to go to God with my white plume intact.
		I mean, I don't want to go and stand before God and say that I took this.
		You know, I mean, you have to have money because you support so many people, but I mean, to just do this because you're reading off of a cold paper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the biblical activists who would say to you, anybody who says she can know the future is a false prophet?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, I'm a Bible student, and I've read all 26 versions of the Bible, including Lamstah, Jerusalem, Aquarium, Douai, King James Version.
		And where they get this from is always Deuteronomy.
		They will quote Deuteronomy.
		And in Deuteronomy, it says, do not consort with seers and sorcerers.
		Well, who in the hell is a seer and a sorcerer?
		I don't know any.
		Then what's amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a seer, though, might be described as a psychic.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but then see, about a few paragraphs down, then you get, Joseph, you are the interpreter of dreams.
		Come over here and interpret our dreams for us.
		What about in the book of Kings when Samuel and Saul and they bring him back from the dead and the witch of Ender goes into trance?
		We don't want to look at that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
		So how do you reconcile then?
		How do you reconcile that or do you not?
		I mean, the Bible sends in mixed messages on the subject.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Bible, God loved the Bible.
		I mean, I think it was for its own time.
		I'm much more a New Testament than an Old Testament.
		But you will find in the Bible, for instance, that, okay, all of a sudden God doesn't like the Ammonites and tells, you know, everybody to go over and kill the Ammonites.
		Well, logically, you have to say to yourself, who didn't God make the Ammonites?
		I mean, you know, it really gets to be crazy after a while.
		Or the one I love is when God asks Eve where Adam is.
		I mean, does that worry anybody?
		I mean, what do you mean does he know where Adam is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		He made Adam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		But you see, is the Bible holy?
		Is it a beautiful word?
		Of course it is because it was trying to show man the analogy of the rebuttal of the Egyptian gods.
		You know, that we were the monotheistic group and we had to have a god that was more ferocious than any other god.
		And I understand that.
		See, our Bible is not new.
		It was actually taken from the Babylonian text almost verbatim.
		And if anybody, I say to people, don't accept my word for it.
		Research.
		Read.
		The Babylonian and the Sumerian texts have Jonah and the whale, Noah and the Ark.
		You know, this is not a new story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, you are right up there at the very elite top of those who are thought to be psychics in the world right now.
		How did you get there?
		Why did you get there?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's like I tell you, Art.
		I think probably you're only as good as your last three.
		You know what I mean?
		You just keep on keeping on.
		I mean, you know, I think people have known me long enough, and I've been around long enough, to know that I'm not 100%.
		But by God, I better be pretty close to on the mark.
		Can I be mistaken?
		You bet I can.
		But I better be more right than wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		I run.
		We try to do a staff because we do validations all the time.
		I run about between 86 to sometimes 90% correction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's very high.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very high.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, to show you how, and someday I'm going to write a book about what people say to me.
		This man called me one day and he said, you told me I was going to change my job the 7th of June.
		He said, well, you were wrong.
		I changed it to 6.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia, hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're at the bottom of the hour.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we'll be right back.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. Just roaring through the nighttime.
		Morning, everybody.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2001.
		Mississippi, in the middle of the dry spell.
		Jimmy Roger, I'm electro up high.
		Mama's dancing, baby, on her shoulder.
		The sun is setting like molasses in the sky.
		But I said I knew I had a moon Everything, always wanting more, feeling you're longing for, like the love of the night.
		A very old friend came by today, cause he was telling everyone in town of the love that he just found.
		And Marie's the name of his latest friend.
		He talked and talked, and I heard him say, that she had the longest, blackest hair, the prettiest green eyes anywhere.
		And Marie's the name of his latest friend.
		Though I smiled, the tears inside were burning.
		I wished him luck and then he said goodbye.
		He was gone, but still his words kept returning.
		What else was there for me to do with a cry?
		Would you believe that yesterday?
		This girl was in my arms and swore to me.
		She'd be my eternity.
		And Marie's the name of his latest friend.
		Though I smiled, the tears inside were burning.
		I wished him luck and then he said goodbye.
		He was gone, but still his words kept returning.
		You're listening to Mark Bell Somewhere in Time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, I'm your presentation of Coast to Coast AM, from August 1st, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia Brown is my guest.
		You wonder what it would be like to have a lot of psychic talent.
		I mean, more than just average.
		Just almost burdened with psychic talent.
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		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 1, 2001.
		Coast to Coast AM Once again, Sylvia Brown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell on Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Sylvia, welcome back.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's good to be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia, do you, this is hard to put into words, do you receive this just in the normal process of thinking?
		I mean, we all have imaginations and we can let our minds wander and various things will occur to us.
		Does it occur to you in that manner?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it's almost instantaneous.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And over the years, I've learned how to discern, you know, what is Sylvia's thoughts aside from what's going on with art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see exactly what you're saying, yes.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I know how to differentiate.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I've gone into the reading room or done lectures or been writing my books or whatever, and I can be having a temperature or, and that seems to operate independently of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Independently of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, it doesn't really matter your physical order.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		That's right, Sylvia might have her own issues, as we all have.
		But that in itself, you know, my staff often says it, not to be, you know, macabre, but if Sylvia dies, we could put her head on the desk and her mouth would move.
		You know, I mean, it's just, you know, Sylvia can have her own issues about her life, her personal life, her family.
		But when I'm dealing with a client, that seems to be a part.
		I had one, excuse me, a doctor tell me that he thought, in fact, this is Dr. Rennick, who now works for the Justice Department, said that he really was convinced.
		He's a psychiatrist.
		He believed that I was using the limbic brain, which is the older brain.
		He said, I'm convinced that that's the part of the brain that you're probably using, that people used to use.
		Let's say that's what kept them from, or saving them knowing that there was a saber-toothed tiger out there or whatever it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		He said, and probably you kept that limbic brain alive, or your family did, or there's some component part that kept the limbic brain alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But as I understand that aspect of the brain, it was a fight-or-flight kind of instinctual animal instinctual thing that, for example, you knew you were in danger.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I wonder how you make the jump from that.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think culturally and the way society moves, God only knows we need flight and fright now, although it's in a different way.
		It's whether it's economy or whether it has to do with panic anxiety attacks or illnesses or where you're going to move.
		It's not, well, it's different, but it's still that survival mechanism that's operating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But how does it cross over to be able to receive information about others?
		And where do you think that information is actually coming from?
		Sylvia, have you ever heard a remote viewer describe how they do what they do?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		absolutely we've done it so then uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		i'm not so sure there's a great difference between what you do and I think you're absolutely right.
unidentified		Really?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think you're absolutely right on target.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because they also have to differentiate, crush the personal ego so that their own imaginations don't interfere.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		That I know that you're sitting in a chair holding on, that I see your things around you, that, you know, the clock.
		I mean, I have to know that.
		You see what I'm saying?
		I don't know if that's any different.
		The only thing that I do do is take it a step further.
		Because, look, all time, I'm convinced, goes in a circle.
		And all I do is just push the circle a little farther.
		Okay, now he's in the chair.
		Now he's reclining.
		Then he'll get up.
		Then he'll go to bed.
		He said, I mean, I have to keep going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Time is a circle.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A circle, that's an interesting concept.
		What do you mean by a circle?
		A circle implies that you're coming back to where you were or could come back to where you were.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think we've always thought of time as linear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		But I don't think that that's true.
		I mean, you know, we say things like history repeats itself and, you know, what goes around comes around.
		We have all those wonderful things.
		But I found that life repeats its patterns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We do have a lot of circle sayings, don't we?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You know, and we keep doing the same dumb circles.
		We all do.
		But I have always thought that I think God now is in circular form.
		And I think that's very hard for us to understand unless we step out of the circle, then we can see it.
		But everything is circular, I think, for God.
		Everything is going on the same record at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		does that mean personally does that mean as a uh...
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		i think it's personally and universally and planetarily and Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fascinating.
		All right.
		Then, in effect, Would you not be afraid to say that what you're doing is really, in effect, remote viewing?
		Oh, are they interchangeable?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I think that that, yes, and I think it's remote viewing of your chart even.
		See, would it matter if remote viewing were that you're at a fountain now and I'm on a hill, but I know that you're at the fountain?
		Or would I then take it further and say he's going to come down off the mountain and go into the chalet?
		It is a remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, is all knowledge, Sylvia.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		In the Akashic records.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Everything that man does.
		Everything that man does is accessible because God already knows what man and woman is going to do.
		It's just our learning process that feeds data back.
		We're the experiencing part of God that is not only learning, let's say, our lessons, but I think we're feeding back the information for a God that is intellectual.
		Let's say, for lack of a better way to put it, we're the emotional side of God experiencing for God.
		See, everything is in duplication.
		It's in duality.
		We know we have a left and right brain.
		Let's say hypothetically God is left brain.
		We're right brain.
		So we're the emotional side of God feeding data back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why did you decide to do with your talent what you have done?
		I mean, you're all over the media.
		I see you even on pay-per-view.
		Gee, you're everywhere now.
		What made you take the career path you have taken?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think I'm 65 for one thing, and I think that after 48 years of research and constantly, I think it's like a scientist, when you keep seeing something reproduced constantly, whether it's death and dying or like my new book, Past Life's Future Healing, and you keep seeing that there's cures that are constantly being, or people are constantly being cured and helped by past life knowledge.
		I said to myself, I don't care how much flack I get.
		If this is going to help one person, ten people, which has helped, I can't even tell you, why not put it out there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then your view is that truly then the circle applies here as well.
		Oh, certainly.
		We go round and round.
		We are reincarnated.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You know, when people say, and you know, you and I are not that much different when people say, what do you think of your detractors?
		Well, who doesn't have a detractor?
		That's right.
		If you really believe it and it hurts people.
		I mean, it helps people rather than hurts them.
		Like I said, I swear to God to you, Art, if you were helped by a purple-spotted giraffe and I could get a hold of one, I'd bring it in.
		I don't care what it is as long as it helps you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it possible?
		I mean, take my situation, for example.
		As you know, I've been off with a bad back here.
		I am back.
		My back continues to be bad.
		It's not well, and I don't want to fool people into thinking that.
		And the doctors say it's not going to get better.
		So I'm faced with an interesting situation here.
		I'm avoiding surgery like the plague.
		Until I can't walk, I'm not going to get surgery.
		I'm just not going to get it.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And I don't blame you for that.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And I work with 350 actual MDs, and most of them, especially the orthopedic men, are the really good ones, are the first ones to say that's the last thing you want to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, it is the last thing I want to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, is it possible to psychically heal?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And it also, even if you don't believe it, to say when you go to bed at night, if there's anything that I'm carrying over from this life or a past life, and even if you don't believe in that, say I wanted to be released in the white light of the Holy Spirit or whatever your belief may be, Buddha, God, spirit consciousness, white light of love.
		I'm telling you the truth.
		It begins to, you know, go away.
		I know what happened to you, whether you believe it or not.
		You were run over by a cart and you were crippled in a past life.
		You got to a certain part in your life and your cell memory said, uh-oh, well, he did it once.
		Let's fix him again.
		Now, I don't mean psychothematically, because the cells have memory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then I don't see what can be done about that.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you speak to your cells and they release it, see, I never believed until I started doing this some 25 years ago that cells actually are sentient.
		I never, if somebody would have said that to me, I would have said, yeah, you know, and ladybugs talk to you.
		I didn't realize that every cell in your body was sentient.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I didn't either.
		I know that there is certainly a cellular memory.
		There's enough proof on the table.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With regard to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And somehow or another, organs that were in one person impart memories in another person's body.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		And I can tell you about a woman who came out of surgery with a heart implant and wanted a beer and a cigarette and never in her life smoked or drank.
		And the man that she'd gotten a heart from did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's case after case, but...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then our cells must have.
		Well, is it cell memory or are they part of the overall process?
		You know, I'm told, Sylvia, you can remove half of a person's brain and they're still functional.
		There are people walking around like that.
		So could other parts of our body or our body as a whole have some sort of memory?
		I guess the answer is obviously yes.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you know that old corny expression that, as corny as it sounds, is so true.
		It's probably one of the greatest truisms is mind over matter.
		Because you see, we just use the mind, but the soul also has memory.
		Whether you want to call it the Ka, the Altman, the oversoul, Has the memory and the ability to rejuvenate itself.
		It really is the mind-soul or the soul-mind taking charge and saying, Look, I might have had something happen to me in a past life.
		I'm certainly going to do physical therapy.
		I'm going to take some oil to help me lubricate because honestly, you really need like an oil and lube job.
		You're stiff as a board.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I need, an oil and lube job.
		Oh, that's funny.
		So you're saying I got run over in a past life, huh?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You did with a cart.
		I mean, you didn't die from it, but you were paralyzed.
		Let me tell you this, and this is not to make you feel good, but you're not going to be paralyzed with this.
		You're not going to be in a walker, wheelchair, whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was using a walker here in the house during the worst of this, a wheelie walker my wife got for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the only way I could get around.
unidentified		I know.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And see, people don't realize unless they've had their back go out, if you sneeze, if you cough, if you laugh.
		I mean, people do not realize what a part of the back, I mean, what it does to you.
		You need to please don't make me laugh, don't make me cough, don't make me do anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I could go on and on, no turning over, no moving around, no quick moves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And even sometimes, if you don't do anything at all and you're in the best position you've been able to find, it would still go.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, get that.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's interesting, a past life then.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and even, you see, I say to people, it doesn't matter if you don't believe it.
		I've had enough to try to resist it.
		I say, okay, but what do you have to lose?
		Just try it.
		You know, I mean, if you try it, what have you lost?
		What, three minutes a night?
		You go to bed and you surround yourself with a white light and you say, look, because God knows we take in enough negativity in a daytime.
		In one day, what about all the lives we build up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		We do.
		We take in a lot of negativity during the day.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		In one day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
		A lot of it.
		Sure.
		Life is full of it.
		You know, it's full of challenges and negativity, and it's your challenge to get through it.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And you could be the happiest person in the world and walk around as a sponge and absorb it from somebody else, and you don't even know you've got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And past lives or something about past lives, you're able to discern that about somebody in a reading?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when I did the Showtime, the pay-per-view, this man who was literally 12 years, and I had this phobic, I really phobic reaction of, please don't ever let me know who the person is.
		So the producer just picked somebody and sent him up to my apartment.
		And the guy sat down and I said, you have this thing about breathing and you have asthma and you feel like you're choking and you haven't gotten out of your house for 12 years.
		And nodding, yes, yes, yes, yes.
		And I said, I don't care if you believe me.
		I said, you were in the civil, not civil war, you were in the French Revolutionary War.
		You weren't part of the bourgeoisie.
		They shipped you.
		They shoved you because of their fanaticism.
		They shoved you on a cart.
		They put you up on the scaffolding.
		You didn't get your head cut off, which probably would have been better, have been faster.
		They strung you up.
		They put a rope around your neck and they let you dangle.
		They didn't even have a trap door.
		Whereas I've got biggest saucers.
		And I could, it's not that I could read mine, but he was like, this is a good story, and I think she's probably a nice lady, but so what?
		And I said, okay, you don't have to believe me, Ken.
		I said, but from this moment on, you will not be afraid to fly.
		You will be able to come to Vegas where I am.
		And I said, just put the white light around you.
		Well, damn if he didn't show up in Vegas.
		And he said to everybody, I'm cured.
		He said, I don't know what she did.
		But he said, it just released it.
		Now, detractors will say, this is a healing story for the mind.
		I heard them all.
		I know it isn't, but let's say hypothetically, for sake of argument, it is.
		Who the hell cares?
		If I give you a sugar pill and it cures you, are you going to call me up and scream at me?
		Although, I know it's valid because the soul knows that you're lying to it.
		It really knows there's a truth alarm that goes off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		well that's really interesting so that this this information about another's past life comes to you i would think as easily and and the future Because either it's circular.
		Right.
		Got that.
		That's fascinating.
		And it really is so close to remote viewing if you just change the names.
		I mean, they say the same thing, that present conditions, travel into the past, travel into the future is all Stanley Krippner.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You know, he did a lot of that remote viewing many years ago.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		So he was way ahead of his time, and everybody said, oh, true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about Edgar Casey?
		What was he doing?
		Same thing?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, absolutely.
		You notice how he always said, we have the body here.
		We have the person.
		How in the world could they have the person miles and miles away unless, let's say, he was, they were, in concert, remote viewing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, I think, well, then I guess you're right.
		Whatever this is, it's not new.
		It's very old.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's ancient.
		Look at the oracles.
		I mean, it goes back far beyond actually any religion.
		You know, they say that prostitution or motherhood or whatever it is.
		But let me tell you something.
		Prophecy has been around forever, forever.
		Whether you want to go back to the ancient Sumerians, whether they did the astrology, doesn't matter.
		Or the ancient Babylonians, it's always been there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Sylvia, hold on.
		We'll get right back to you.
		It's the top of the hour.
		Take a good deep breath.
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unidentified		You're listening to Mark Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2001.
		I hear the drums echoing tonight, but she is only whispers of some quiet conversation.
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		Her moonlit wings reflect the stars that guide the torture salvation.
		I stopped an old man along the way, hoping to find some old forgotten words or ancient melodies.
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		You're trying, you're trying now I know you're here and then you'll be happy There's one more year and then you'll be happy You're crying, you're crying now.
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		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia Brown is here and she'll be right back one more hour ahead.
unidentified		Shhhhhh!
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of August 1st, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, Sylvia Brown, the internationally renowned Sylvia Brown.
		Sylvia, welcome back.
		Thank you.
		Sylvia, I think that remote viewers talk about the possibility, and in very hushed tones, too, the possibility of remote, what's called remote influencing.
		I'm sure you know what that is.
		The ability to influence perhaps another mind on the other side of the world somewhere or wherever it might be.
		It wouldn't matter in space, on the moon, wherever.
		Another human mind to actually influence it in some way.
		Do your psychic abilities approach anything that begins to skirt in that area?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Never.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Never.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, because you see, I believe that all of us are, before we ever came in, have a chart that we, let's say, contractually made with God.
		And that chart is going to be lived out whether we like it or not.
		And the idea of trying to influence, I think the Russians really had that, they thought they had that down tax.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, they did, indeed.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You know, the mind reading, the mind manipulation.
		I think that even if I could do it, which I can't, I wouldn't.
		I mean, I think you'd be interfering then with the whole charted learning process for God.
		I think then you start playing God.
		Then I think you almost then get into that occultism thing.
		You know, in other words, I'm going to manipulate your mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		One could imagine.
		You believe remote healing to be possible.
		Now, you described several things already where you told people, for example, about a past life in which something has occurred that's affecting their present life.
		Okay, I can certainly buy that.
		What about the jump from that psychological effect you might have on somebody by helping them to understand what happened to them, but jumping to actual remote healing?
		In other words, psychically healing at a distance, directly healing.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And I think energy is energy.
		And I know that a great deal of my ministers do an awful lot of this work.
		In other words, energy is energy.
		And what to say, and we've seen this, I mean, what is prayer but energy sent out?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Is that we will sit around in, you know, in our groups and say, you know, Martha, whatever is having problems.
		Okay, let's all focus on her and send her, as you would like to say, which I think is a marvelous way of putting it, remote healing, and send that energy.
		And you'd be surprised at how many people, even at my lectures, when I say, let's all concentrate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I wouldn't be surprised at all, so yeah.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You know, and say, you know, like, let's think about ourselves as golden puppet beads strung together and push your energy to the right of the person.
		Well, eventually that energy goes around the room and then hits you.
		You know, I mean, energy is energy, and it can be sent out.
		It's almost like, doesn't God know where the energy is supposed to go?
		Of course, God does.
		So let's send it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen it work.
		I know it works, Sylvia.
		No question about that.
		Would you agree that many minds focusing, oh, I don't know, a healing energy on somebody in the form of prayer or whatever we want to do?
		That that is an increased or a bigger effect or power.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure, because you see what you're doing is you're lending your energy, that person's energy, and you're upping that person's energy.
		And in doing that, whether it heats the body, who knows, who cares, what it does.
		But I've seen it.
		Prayer is the miracle by which that energy is transmitted and elevated.
		And the person doesn't even have to know it's happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That really has been proven, hasn't it?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely it has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They've done a lot of double-blind tests, I know.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely they have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the people who were prayed for recovered much faster.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, we're even getting doctors now.
		You know, it used to be, and there's almost, I couldn't believe it.
		I was in Pennsylvania, and even in the airport, there was a chapel.
		You know, more and more people in churches, there's, I mean, in hospitals, there's chapels, there's prayer groups.
		We never used to see that years ago.
		So people are beginning to realize, hey, we might not know what it is, and it doesn't matter if they don't know what it is, they just know it worked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then it might be said then, if that's really true, that while mankind is doing a lot of things that are considered awfully negative, there is an awful lot of positive things.
		An awful lot of positive things occurring too.
		Chapels and hospitals.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People realizing the power of prayer, that sort of thing.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And see, you know, you asked me a question earlier.
		Why at this point of your life, I guess more than anything, I wanted to show people that all that we've talked about is possible.
		Also, that there is another side.
		Also, that God is all love, all goodness, all caring, all perfection.
		See, I never have understood logically, let's not even go on faith.
		Logically, how do we all say God is omnipotent, perfect, all-loving, all-knowing, and yet God's mean, hateful, nasty?
		See, something logically begins to break down there.
		I mean, we've either got to have one or the other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, one of the ways that it breaks down is when a father sees his young daughter get hit and killed by a car or something of that magnitude, it's almost impossible to understand how that man would feel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If he were a godly person, he might be awfully tempted to say, God, where were you?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how could a God, an all-caring God, let this happen?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And even with as much as I know, when I had nine people die in three months, I want to tell you something.
		I had some really ferocious talks with God.
		Even knowing everything that I know, there is that human factor that says, okay, I wanted rain, but I sure as hell didn't want a flood either.
		What the hell is going on up there?
		But then you readjust yourself and realize that this is such a trend.
		If I could just make people realize that this is just a bad camping trip, you know, that this is just a very, very temporary visiting place.
		And that we all end up at home.
		And we make so much to do about this place.
		You know, not that I don't believe that you shouldn't live in a nice house or drive a nice car or have a good back and all those other things that we want to have.
		But it still is a tough place to be.
		It's a rough neighborhood here.
		And if it weren't a rough neighborhood, like I said to so many people, I expected it to be so much more perfect.
		I said, well, then you shouldn't have come here because this is where hell is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is where hell is.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I surely do agree with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, it's just got to get better because you wouldn't think it could get worse.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And you know, this thing about a pit and somebody in a red suit and a horn.
		You know, I've said in my lectures, I wish to God they did have a red suit.
		At least we'd pick them out and we wouldn't marry them or have them as family.
		At least we'd know who they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		So they can live next door to you.
		You can marry them.
		You can have them in your family.
		You can run into them.
		I mean, we don't have to worry about demons and devils.
		We have enough mean, nasty, hateful people running around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We do indeed.
		Is it your view that there is a traditional heaven and hell, or do you think, as you just sort of suggested, that we're already there?
		We can only go up from here.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		And I think Milton had it right, too, when he said, within every man there is heaven and hell.
		I think it's, here we go with circles within circles.
		I think that that's part of it.
		Man does create his own heaven and hell here.
		But nevertheless, even at that, it's a bad camping trip, like I said.
		But the only place to go, as you just rightly said, is up from here.
		This is as bad as it gets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we are the absolute bottom rung on the ladder.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		But I think there's a reason for that because if there wasn't negativity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I think that's a very hopeful thing.
		I mean, we're here.
		What can we do about it?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		How would we know how to bounce off of that?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You know, I mean, there has to be a negative side for us to say, but for the grace of God, there go I. And maybe in the next life, there you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		How many lives do you suppose we lead?
		Is it endless or is there some sort of graduation?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		No.
		You know, it's strange in the last 10 years.
		Somebody mentioned to me the other day this, that in the last maybe 10, 12 years, I have seen more people, maybe it's because they're coming to me more, I don't know, but I've seen more people on their last lives than I did when I was much younger.
		I think people are coming to the end of things.
		They're just tired and worn out and say, look, I just want to graduate and go home.
		I think that hole that we walk around with, that sense of longing, is nothing more than a homesickness.
		We've never been able to identify it.
		It's a place where no Porsche fills up, no mansion fills up, no diamond fills up.
		It's just that man yearns to go back to his original home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that is?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		That is the other side.
		That's the other side where we're with our loved ones, our animals, our friends.
		You know, it's like, hey, I have to go down this shoot and I have to go through this really rough school and then I'll be back.
		And when I come back, I will have learned a lot and I will have accelerated my soul in learning for God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What can you tell me, if anything, Sylvia, about the nature of the other side?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's three feet up off the ground.
		Now, why is it three feet up off the ground?
		I don't have a clue, but I do know that it goes at a higher vibration.
		Now, that's not just my one day I got up and decided I was going to say this.
		I mean, this was from years and years of doing, listening to people that were Islamic or Muslim, rather, Presbyterian, Episcopalian, Buddhist.
		And everyone, whether they were in death and dying mode, whether they were in regressive therapy mode, whether they were in astral projection mode or in dream mode, everyone began to see the same and report to me the same topography.
		The Hall of Wisdom, the Hall of Records, where we go, where we check in, the work that we do, the research that we do, the animal husbandry, the gardening.
		It's a beautiful place.
		See, it's just exactly like, and I think Plato said it better than anybody.
		He said, we're nothing more than the shadows on the wall of the cave.
		We're the world, we are the world of antimatter.
		That's the world of true matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's three feet above the ground.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Now, what's interesting, if you've ever heard anybody talk about ghosts, they've always said, why do they seem to be floating?
		Well, they're not.
		They're walking on their own ground level, for God's sake.
		It's three feet up off the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what a good point.
		Others, theoretical physicists, really brilliant minds, have described other dimensions, which is another way of saying another vibratory level.
		You said vibration, right?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Vibration that goes, Mike.
		She said we go at a much lighter vibrational.
		And, you know, and it really threw me for a loop as a young girl in Kansas City, Missouri when she said, you know, we're just as real as you are.
		And I thought, now, you know, that sounds crazy because, I mean, you feel your skin.
		You know you're here.
		She said, no, no, you're very, very, you know.
		In fact, she actually said, you're ghosts in our world, which I thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're ghosts in our world.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		She said, you are ghosts in our world.
		And as I get older, I'm going to tell you something.
		The way the molecular structure is going, I can see how we're loosely hung.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that's intriguing.
		In other words, if we see these apparitions from time to time, whatever they are, then why wouldn't the reverse be true perhaps as well?
		Or the likelihood is that it would be.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Right.
		And, you know, because they see, like people have always said to me, I hope my daughter, my son, you know, knows that I love them.
		I said, and like you so aptly put it, a man who loses his child an accident, I didn't get a chance to say goodbye, hear that all the time.
		I said, then say it now.
		They're all around us.
		They populate us.
		They move within our dimension.
		We just can't see them all the time because they go at a higher vibration.
		But they're certainly all around us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's one for you.
		Earlier in the program, you told me you had a past vehicle, a car accident, you were run over, you were crippled, but you're not going to be crippled now.
		Now, suppose it had not been that that you saw at all, or that what you saw was that I did have an accident, and indeed in this life, I am going to be crippled.
		When you get information like that that would be devastating to anybody, what do you do with it?
		Do you, without comment, pass it on to the person you've read, or what do you do with it?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, you see, because I do care about you, I want to give you that.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I don't usually volunteer that, but if you were to ask me, Sylvia, just right up front, Sylvia, what about my back?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And I saw you in a wheelchair, I would say, okay, this is what's going to happen, Art, but this is what you're going to do with it.
		Then I'd look further, and maybe you'd write.
		Maybe you would show someone else what to do.
		You see, there's always a scape hatch for this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you try and provide the person who's getting the bad word with the upside of their situation.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you don't hold it back.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, never.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, if you look at life in general, Sylvia, lots of good things happen, as you've noted, and lots of bad things happen, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so your delivery of information is going to be kind of an even good and bad scenario for the average person, right?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's just like, let me give you an example.
		At a lecture in Cleveland, a woman came up to the microphone and she said to me, Sylvia, I want to know how long I'm going to live.
		And everybody in the audience went, and I said, six years.
		Well, the woman danced back to her seat.
		She knew, that I knew that she knew, it sounds Like, you know, who's on third?
		That the doctors had only given her maybe seven months.
		The audience felt bad, but I wasn't about to ethically or morally say this woman is so happy because I've given her an extension that she never thought she had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you get that question often?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you always answer it?
unidentified		Always.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, occasionally, you must run into the person who's going to have a heart attack next Sunday.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, not that.
		Yes, I have, but not that often.
		And I also believe that as psychic gets supposed to be, see, we've always looked at psychic, and I'm beginning to hate that word, to tell you the truth, but as the ace of spades or whatever the hell they use falls and you don't have any control over it, I do believe,
		whether it's Sophie Glutz or Sylvia Brown or something, wasn't I supposed to be written into your life to tell Can Herkinrath, which I did, do not, under any circumstances, take that plane out of Chicago in April.
		And he said, I walked around the airport cursing you, and the airplane crashed.
		I think also psychics, true psychics, are supposed to be protectorists.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But isn't that very close to what you were talking about earlier when you go over the line and begin to play God?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		because I think I was written into your chart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, like I said, whether it was...
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Whether I was, like I said, Sophie Glutz or Bill Smith.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which means it was not his card that came up at all, really.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Now, could he have had free will choice and said, the hell with her, I'm going to get on the plane?
		Of course he could have.
		And he was furious that he thought he was superstitious that he didn't do it.
		But he said, and I never will forget on my answering machine was just these few words.
		Sylvia, thank you for my life.
		That was all he said.
		And that was enough for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
		All right.
		Sylvia, hold it right there.
unidentified		We're at the bottom of the hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about you?
		If Sylvia or somebody like her told you, don't get on that plane.
		It's going to crash.
		As she just described occurred, what would you do?
		Honestly, you'd walk around the airport.
		You'd see the next plane was hours and hours, if not a day away.
		What would you do?
		Would you get on that plane?
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an oncore presentation of Costa Coast AM from August 1st, 2001.
		His heart in every line.
		My sang of joy and pain.
		He opened up our mind.
		And I've still been hearing him say Talk to me Thank you.
		Don't give me what's going on.
		Save me.
		Sing your heart.
		Be it sight, sound, smell, or touch, there's something inside that we need so much.
		The sight of a touch or the scent of a sand, or the strength of an oak when roots deep in the ground.
		The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
		Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing.
		To lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing.
		All these things in our memories more.
		And the user comes on, Take this place on this trip, just come on, yeah.
		Ride, take a free ride, take a press.
		I've seen it's more free.
		My world went straight for years.
		Swim so hard just to end my fears.
		Not to end my life, but all my life.
		But by now, I know I should back row.
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		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired August 1st, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Soviet Brown is here internationally, famous, certainly, as one of the top psychics, a word she's not too fond of, I understand that, in the world.
		It's an ability, it's talent, it's inherited, it's all of that, and a lot more, but it's real.
		She's one of the real ones, folks.
		And with a lot of the real ones, I've heard the same complaint.
		We'll ask whether she's had this problem or not in a moment.
		Stay right where you are.
unidentified		Stay right where you are.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of August 1st, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, Sylvia Brown.
		Sylvia, a very, very good friend of mine who had something happen to him and then acquired a very, great deal of psychic ability, following or in the beginning of this psychic ability, found that he couldn't sit in rooms of people.
		He couldn't go into crowded places because the din of information that was flowing to him from all the minds around him was unbearable.
		Absolutely unbearable.
		Have you gone through that?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes, when I was 19.
		But my grandmother, who had died a year before that, said, You will get to that point.
		But she said, You'll eventually know how to turn down the light because I can sympathize, empathize with this person totally because I'd know who had an ulcer, who was getting divorced, who was going to die.
		I mean, it just got to be horrifying.
		And you almost become agoraphobic at that point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, anybody's life is full of enough hell on earth as it is without getting everybody else.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I'm bombarded by it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what in the world do you do?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I just, I don't know how to explain it to you, but I just, I never can turn it off totally, but I turn it down.
		I turn the light down.
		And then when somebody asks me the question, it seems like the light comes on then.
		I think it's a trained response.
		It's like you just learn how to deal with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That must be exactly right, that you just learn how to deal with it.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		if you didn't i think you would be out collecting tinfoil and string but you've come such a long way uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		and and now you were at fault I mean, I'm sure there are people who may have your ability who are extremely, extremely private about it, but instead you went into the media.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that was a big choice to make.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's one thing to be known, I guess if you want to go sort of crazy to your, you know, your college friends, your people that I used to teach, because I taught school for 18 years and all, you know, and I used to do readings for the AAUW and all that.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did you teach?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I taught Catholic school for 18 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'll be darned.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And I used to do readings for all the nuns and priests, which is a book in itself, and that's another story.
		But I decided, everybody knew that I was, and to hang that shingle out, I'm not ashamed to tell you, it took a great deal of courage because, you know, I've always said I'm probably the most unlikely person to have the gift because I'm very practical down to earth.
		I love my family.
		I love to cook and sew and do all those things that, you know.
		So I never was Airy Fairy.
		I never wore a pyramid hat and burned sage.
		Not that I mind that, by the way.
		But, yeah, and I just decided, no, that I think that not only do I want to show people that I'm psychic, my biggest message was the spiritual message that comes out in all my books is that you really, this is really, like you and I have discussed, that this really is the trial.
		This is really the Golgotha, you know, of the world.
		And once you get through that, your Gethsemane, then you get to go.
		You graduate and you go to the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And stay.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And stay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much do we really know, again, about the nature of the other side when you finally get to go and stay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or is that information scarce and hard to get?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
		And that's why I said that's why I began to write the book.
		In fact, that's why I wrote the newest book, The Past Life and Future Healings, was because of all the people that I began to do regressions on and also readings began to be cured.
		And I said, hey, there's, you know, like I said, it's a scientist who keeps, I'm sure that Salk, when he kept doing it and doing it and said, my God, this is something that's going to cure polio, eventually you start saying to yourself, why should you keep this secret?
		Why shouldn't you let people know?
		Regardless of the criticism of the detractors, who cares?
		If people are healed by this, who cares?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		Who cares?
		There are some out there, as you well know, you will never convert, if that's even the right word.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And you know, are you?
		And that's fine, because, you know, wouldn't it be scary if everybody believed in everything that one person said?
		I think that would be horrifying.
		I think everyone, whether they're Christian, Buddhist, Shintu, follow their own way.
		And I think that's very ecumenical.
		All I say to people is if you're going to do it, be a good one.
		You know, do it right.
		Because I don't think God is going to stand in a gate and say, now, wait a minute, Art, were you Presbyterian or Methodist?
		If you're Methodist, you can't come in.
		I mean, how stupid is that?
		is there time as we understand time that elapses between lives you know people are always concerned and i know that that the human thing is that when i get over there well i think i get my mother mike And even if they did, hypothetically, to you, they would be gone, honestly, like a day and a half.
		See, there's no time over there.
		So you come from a time place, this time warp that we're in, to a place that's timeless.
		So, you know, I always liken it to the few times that I've been in Vegas.
		There's no time there.
		I mean, you don't know if it's day or night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They don't put up clocks in Las Vegas for a good reason.
		That brings up another question.
		People will say, detractors and even supporters alike, I suppose, why not use the talent you have to come to that little city over the hill here and take a shot at a casino or two and why you wouldn't need to be on pay-per-view on Showtime or anything else, right?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, to support all my people.
		Well, see, because I'm learning the same way as everybody else.
		I mean, anybody who's read my biography, I've fallen in the same dumb trap, the same stupid married the first time, and it takes to detangle.
		I don't want to just blame the other person.
		But no, I always liken it to can a surgeon operate on themselves?
		No, they can't.
		I've said to people, look, if I could win the lotto, I would have done it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would have won.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it's never been for me.
		I'm so blind when it comes to me.
		In fact, the closer you get to me, the more I love you, the less effective I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's interesting.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Because I'm now emotionally involved, you see what I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the best you could do would be perhaps to help a stranger get rich.
unidentified		Probably.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, I never will forget the time that I did, and one of the few times I helped this woman win $75,000.
		And it was really a fluke because it just, all of a sudden, numbers came up for me, and I said, okay, well, whatever this means, it must mean something.
		And I gave her the numbers, and she sent me in the mail a $5 bill.
		Now, this was the irony of it.
		I would so much rather she had sent me a thank you.
		I didn't want any money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She won $70,000 and then sent you a fiver?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		A $5 bill, which I would have so much preferred she just said thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not sure that's wholly equitable anyway.
		I mean, you tip somebody who deals you cards more than that.
		Anyway, that issue aside, you did do that then.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		But that was only once.
		You know, people say, you know, could you give me lotto numbers?
		I said, I wish I could.
		Then we'd split it.
		You know, I mean, whatever it would be.
		But, you know, you see in these tabloids once in a while, I'll leap through them in the, because you can't believe half of what they say anyway.
		Meg, you know, Madam, whatever, will give you numbers.
		And then why doesn't Madam Doro do it?
		You know, no, I've never known, truly, it doesn't mean that I'm poverty stricken, but I've never known a true psychic that was ever that wealthy.
		We're just not.
		We just don't know how to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is one of the things that probably has the detractors jumping up and down, because they think psychics ought to be wealthy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what they don't understand then is that a psychic cannot do for oneself.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		They can't.
		No, because if that were the case, then what would we be down here learning?
		We learn just, like I say to people, when I lecture, I said, look, I may be talking to you, but when I leave here, I'm walking the same way you are.
		I may be facing you tonight, but when I leave here, I'm walking the same way.
		I fall in the same potholes and everything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you're, Sylvia, about to get out an airplane that's going to crash, do you think that because you are a psychic, that you'd just stroll right on and sit down in the hot seat and be plummeting 30,000 feet an hour later?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Maybe not, because I really have been blessed with the same, not the psyche, but the same intuition that other people have had.
		I mean, I haven't gone on certain trips because I knew they were dangerous.
		I canceled three, four years ago a trip to Egypt.
		It was very strange.
		And at that point, I don't know if you remember, but 65 tourists were killed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I was over there at about the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I remember it exceptionally well.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Now, since then, I have gone three times because I knew it was safe.
		But that one time, I simply called a touring company and said, we are not going.
		I have a really bad feeling about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what, Sylvia?
		I've had after the flight of 800 that blew up, literally a week later, I was taking off from the same airport and the same route, and I did it white knuckle big time.
		I've flown all over the world, and to be honest with you, I've had forebodings about a lot of my trips that I have ignored.
		I just counted up to stupid background noise and nerves and ignored it.
		So I wonder how you'd know, how you'd discern.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		It's a different feeling.
		It's almost, I don't know what it is.
		It's called like a silent alarm.
		I know the difference between anxieties that I might be having to that sort of dead, calm, hollow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Knowing.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes, knowing.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		But I don't see you, by the way, ever crashing and burning anywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's good to hear, and I'll remember that for sure on my next airplane flight.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Now, let me ask you this, and this is certainly not to validate myself, but as we've been talking, because I have talk about remote viewing, I have sent you massive, massive amount of energy in your back.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Please, if nothing else, you don't have to write me, call me, validate, but see in a few days if you don't, because I have so many ministers and study groups listening tonight, and they'll know what I'm saying, that they're going to send you energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sitting here on a pack of ice.
		Yeah.
		Actually, my whole back is numb.
		It's so cold.
		That's the only thing I found that really seems to help is freezing my back.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And I also want you to think about something when you go to bed tonight.
		I want you to think about all the people and all the things you've been carrying on your back for the last five years.
		You know, that's a real cell memory, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My cells remember a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's been an interesting few years, to be sure.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I know it has been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So think about all that, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ruminate on it.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and say, I don't choose to carry all this on my back anymore because you did come in with this tremendous humanitarian rescue theme that you have.
		And that sounds very altruistic, but it's a bitch of a theme because I have one of your themes.
		I'm not the rescuer, but I'm the humanitarian.
		And boy, do we load up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So are you going to keep doing this?
		You said yourself you're 65 now.
		Are you going to continue to do what you're doing?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I come from a family that my dad used to say, my wonderful Jewish father used to say, that, you know, we don't die easily.
		Somebody has to come and hit us over the head.
		I come from both sides of the family longevity.
		My grandmother worked as a working psyche until she was 88, so I don't ever intend to retire.
		I think retirement sounds just disgusting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's also boring.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, not only that, but in the middle of the word is the word tire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, it's tiresome, so I'm not surprised.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Not only that, but if you look at statistically, if a person retires, I mean, and they don't have something to do, I mean, like a wonderful hobby or something, they usually die within five years.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing how you can almost chart that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what is it?
		It is true, of course, that that does occur.
		I mean, all kinds of things occur.
		Mates die within years of their mate dying, absolutely.
		People die within years of retirement.
		That's certainly true.
		All of that is true.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		There's a passion away from a human being, and there's nothing left.
		See, if we lose our passion, and that doesn't mean we always have to be, but the passion of what our belief system is, or the passion of getting something across, or a message, or a mission, or I don't care if you're a ferocious underwater basket weaver.
		I don't care what it is if you're ferocious about it.
		If we lose our passion, we lose our life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So onward you will go.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's wonderful.
		So you will continue to appear on television and do specials.
		What do you like doing the most?
		I mean, you write books.
		Oh, I haven't even plugged your books.
		Jeez, let me just plug your books.
		Let's see.
		You've got all kinds of books.
		Past Lives, Future Healing.
		That's the new one, right?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And the nature of good and evil, too.
		I've heard so many marvelous things about that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The nature of good and evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any real evil capital E?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, in people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in people, but not external.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, there's nobody, like I said, running around with a legion of horns.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, that was honestly not to offend anybody, but my God, that certainly built big cathedrals, scaring the hell out of everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, Sylvia, if there's a God, a real God, then, like, I mean, everything else in the world that we know has a counterbalance, a yin and a yang, a positive and a negative.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, rather than just Lucifer and his band of happy or miserable men, why can't we say that in the free will choice of when we were created, which of course we always were, but we have to say that because, you know, you can say you always were, but it's hard to say we always, I mean, we always will be, but it's hard to say we always were.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		But in the very beginning, let's say, and that's sort of an oxymoron, but in the very beginning, there were people who in free will choice on the other side decided that they would separate from the light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or put another way, we are the horny ones.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Exactly.
		Sometimes more ways than one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, I know, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the devil is within us, and God is indeed a real entity.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, God's a real entity.
		And a loving, omnipotent entity that is full of forgiveness and love.
		And that's what our Lord tried to teach.
		See, that's what's so sad about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how did we get such a misimpression that if there's a God, then there's the devil too?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Because it made for business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because we want to blame it on somebody else, maybe.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Sure, and it made for big business.
		And it was ignorance in many ways.
		We can't explain.
		It's like the ancient Indian cultures.
		They didn't know what caused illness.
		So they said it was the demons that got.
		That's what made people bleed people.
		It was the bad humors.
		It was the ignorance of the time that said, well, it's got to be something outside force.
		And then, of course, came along the devil with a horn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		All right, Sylvia, what a sweetheart you are to come on.
		My first night back, back, back, back, back.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And take care of yourself, Art, because the world needs you, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the world definitely needs you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia, thank you.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		All right, and God bless, honey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This kind of fits in, I think.
		Listen to the words.
		I'm Ark Bell.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2001.
		Sword and pistol by my side.
		Many a young maid lost her mawbles to my trade.
		Many a soldier shed his lifeblood on my blade.
		Master tongue me in the spring of'25.
		Girl, you just don't realize what you do to me.
		When you hold me in your arms so tight, you let me know everything's alright.
		Yeah.
		I'm high on believing that you're in love with me.
		It's as sweet as candy, its taste is on my mind.
		Girl, you got me thirsty for another cup of wine.
		I got a blood from you, girl, but I don't need no cure.
		I should stay affected if I can't be so.
		Oh, good love, when we're all alone.
		Keep it up, girl.
		Yeah, you turn me on.
		Ah, I'm tired of feeling.
		I'm high on believing.
		But you're in love with me.
		me.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2001.
		Good morning from the high desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Let's do some open lines, shall we?
		Anything you want to talk about is fair game.
		I've got just a few things for you in a moment, and then this hour we'll do open lines.
		Tonight will be a four-hour program as I test my back's ability to hang in there.
		So we'll begin repeating the first hour after the next hour, if that makes any sense at all to you.
unidentified		Shhhhhh!
		Shhhhhh!
		Thank you.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM, from August 1st, 2001.
		Music All right, here's the skinny on my back, folks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's really in pretty bad condition.
		My back had me bent over and unable to move, basically, for weeks.
		And now I'm, I would say, walking 90%, 80 or 90% straight.
		I'm still bent over.
		Don't get me wrong.
		I'm still bent over and cannot straighten up all the way.
		I have a hard time sitting for long periods of time.
		I had an MRI, as you know, which was an interesting experience, by the way.
		And the results of that, both by my doctor and another doctor now, are that they say it is not going to get better.
		That's the advice I've been rendered to date, that it is not going to get better.
		And, you know, it might get a little better given some time, but basically it's not one of those things that's going to fix itself, which is too bad.
		And the options that I've been served up to date include surgery and or pregnisone shots.
		Pregnisone is a very, very strong drug that remains with you even after it has its limited effect.
		And those options don't interest me, so I'm rolling the dice, like usual, and I'm going to just hope to get better.
		And toward that end, I am putting ice packs on my back, the small of my back.
		Now, you can actually slip them in your shorts and freeze your back to death, and that helps a little bit.
		It's the only thing I found out quickly that heat does not help.
		I would sit in the shower, and I have one of those shower massage things and let the hot water beat on my back, and I quickly found out that was a really, really, really bad idea because whatever swelling is increased, and that's really bad.
		Really, really bad.
		And so I had some of my worst days when I was in that mode.
		Then I decided ice was the way to go, and it's been kind of slowly getting better since then.
		So I'm rolling the dice, and I'm not going to let them cut me, and I'm not going to let them inject me.
		And I'm going to just see what happens.
		Because I just, I don't want to go that route.
		When I was younger, I had surgery on my back, on my shoulder blade, and they took a, this was when I was 20 years old, a long time ago, and they took a benign tumor out.
		And you are never the same after surgery.
		You will always know you have been operated on, even if it works out at its very best.
		The odds with back surgery are really crummy, really lousy.
		And so, once again, I'm choosing to try to just hang in there, and that's what's going on.
		Now, on my website tonight, just put up a little while ago, I sent Keith a photograph, what I thought was a really interesting photograph.
		It's a photograph from Iowa.
		Somebody sent it in from Iowa, and it is an angel in the sky.
		And if this is not an angel, this is the closest thing, this is an angel.
		Now, in this modern day of digital photography, of course, we have no way of knowing if this is an authentic picture or not.
		But if it is authentic, then the odds, it seems to me, of this, I suppose, given all the cloud formations in all of the world and all across this country, occasionally you're going to get one that looks really like something.
		But this looks so much like an angel that it just, I mean, there's even a halo.
		I mean, we're talking serious angel here.
		So if you want to see it, it's on my website now at artbell.com.
		It's an angel from Iowa.
		Well, more accurately, in the airspace above Iowa, actually.
		So that's up there tonight.
		There's more of a reason to go to my website.
		Also, somebody sent me this photograph of a water park in Tokyo.
		And whenever you think you've got it bad, you might want to go take a look at this picture.
		Let me read you the caption to the picture.
		It says, This is the Tokyo Water Park, where their slogan reads, Welcome to the breathtaking Tokyo Water Park, where you can wash away the pressure and stress of the overcrowded city and relax with your friends in the soothing enjoyment of sun, fun, and splashing.
		If you were trying to decrease some stress in your life, this is not a place that Americans would go.
		It looks like it's taken obviously From an upper level or even up in the air, it's hard to say.
		But I'm telling you, folks, they look like ants down there.
		And oh, when you look at this photograph, you've got to wonder about the water.
		You've got to really wonder about the water.
		the water is ostensibly from this distance blue however there are so many people and so many kids in this water park pool to get in there and not wonder So got to see it.
		It's under What's New.
		It's called Relax in Tokyo Water Park.
		And of course, I did get a photograph up there of this Bushnell telescope that I dearly love.
		This thing is incredible.
		They're a new sponsor.
		And so I put a picture of mine up, and I really caught a kind of a cute picture.
		I don't know if you've seen it yet.
		But I got Yeti, our newest edition, you know, our newest cat, looking up at the Bushnell telescope, kind of like he was staring into the sky or something.
		It was really a fortuitous photograph.
		And that's up there.
		So all of that's up there on the website right now at artbell.com.
		Looking around the world to see what's going on.
	Oh, yeah, one more thing.
	I was mentioning to you that these ice packs are the only thing that works.
	And just in case there's anybody else out there with a really bad back the way I have it, try this.
	You know, everybody has a back cure for you.
	I've received millions of them in the email and elseways.
	Thank you all very much.
	But if you do have back trouble, consider what I'm doing.
	My wife obtained for me these lunch pack ice packs, and all they are is a plastic bottle filled with water.
	And you put them in your freezer and you freeze them.
	And then you can take them, and they're just the right size.
	You can put them in the small of your back and kind of move them around and freeze your back.
	And I'm not saying that's good for everybody.
	It's just what's working for me.
	But I do have on the webcam tonight.
	I just took a photograph of the little ice pack that I use.
	I've got rotating ice packs, actually, so I can never be without one.
	Finish with one, put it in the freezer, get ready for the next one.
	Now, around the world, House approves Arctic drilling.
	The House voted late Wednesday to allow oil and gas drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska, rejecting claims that development would devastate a cathedral of nature in need of protection.
	Well, that may well be, but we definitely need the gas and we need the oil.
	And while I'm a pretty staunch environmentalist, I'm sure you know, I do think that we need alternative sources of oil and gas until we can get off the dime, which we damn well better do.
	If I were in Congress, I would be lobbying, I'd say, sure, go ahead and drill because we need it.
	And our economy is based on that.
	Any fool out there who doesn't think that can only look back to the last gas shortage we had in the 70s.
	It's obvious, right?
	We have to have it.
	But we had better start putting ourselves in a position where we don't have to have it, or pretty soon it's going to be all over.
	And it'll be all over when we run out of it, or when it gets so short and so expensive that we can't buy it anymore, and then our economy will go on the tubes promptly.
	102 killed in Colombia fighting, Colombia troops and rebels this week killed 87 guerrillas and 15 soldiers.
	So they're having some pretty serious battles in the Colombian mountains.
	Not a place I'd guess you'd want to visit right now.
	Code Red.
	The virus like Code Red Worm apparently infected computers around the world Wednesday on time.
	Although the outbreak was not as severe as predicted about, 150,000 internet-connected computers were infected by Code Red, according to the SANS Institute, S-A-N-S, a computer security think tank working with the government.
	So if you've noticed the internet slowing down a little bit, there you've got it.
	Code RED did, as predicted, break out on Wednesday once again and is causing havoc.
	And then there's another virus going, a worm going around out there.
	I don't know if you've had the message yet.
	My God, I've had hundreds of them.
	It will say something like, I send this to you for your advice.
	And it could have any one of a million different titles, and it usually has an attachment with it.
	Don't open the attachment.
	If you see something that says something like that, I send this to you for your advice, I don't care what the hell it is, don't open it.
	If you do, you're going to get a worm.
	Microsoft Outlook based, basically, but you don't want it.
	believe me it's all over the internet i must get All right, to the phones.
	West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Cheerio.
	Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
unidentified		I don't believe it.
unidentified		I'm on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you don't, but turn it off anyway.
unidentified		This is great.
unidentified		Okay, go turn the TV down, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true, yes.
		All things down.
		Yes, it is.
		Where are you calling from, sir?
unidentified		I'm calling from California.
		Okay.
		Yeah.
		This is about your back.
		And I have some advice for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But go ahead.
unidentified		That's a good thing, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, although if I did it all by now, I wouldn't be walking.
unidentified		No, no, no, no, no.
unidentified		If you don't think it's good, then, hey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm listening.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		The lady that was just on, Sylvia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The reason I'm calling is the things she said about the past life thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, it's real simple.
unidentified		All you have to do is have her take you back to the beginning of the incident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder what kind of car hit me.
unidentified		Well, okay, okay, okay.
		See, I got you.
		That's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably a Geoometro.
unidentified		You need to want to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably a Geometro.
unidentified		You need to want to know.
		That's very important.
		Okay.
		Because if what she is saying is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it was a mighty dodge.
unidentified		Okay, listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, go ahead.
unidentified		If what she is saying is true, the way for you to get rid of it is to go back and relive it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Relive it?
unidentified		You have to go back.
		See, physically you cannot go back in time.
		But spiritually...
		Spiritually, you can return to the moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Spiritually.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Past life, your spirit.
		Go back and look.
		Have her regress.
		She talks about regression, right?
		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, she's already, in a way, thank you.
		She already put that in my mind.
		Now I know I was hit by a car.
		Hit by a car.
		And I bet that hurt.
		I wonder what kind of car it was.
		Was I tossed into the air like a ragdoll?
		Or was I thumped right over?
		Well, think about it, see if it helps.
		First time calling a line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		How's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hey.
unidentified		You're doing all right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Life is life, right?
unidentified		Life is life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in San Diego.
		Okay.
		And I actually used to live in Taos, New Mexico.
		And my condolences to you about your back and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you.
unidentified		I hope you feel better.
		The reason I was calling is I just wanted to lay it out.
		I had some really great information when I lived in Talls, New Mexico, about how to tell the difference between the government spacecrafts that they've made and real spacecrafts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that would be valuable information indeed.
unidentified		Would you like to hear about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely would, yes.
unidentified		Okay, now the way to tell, according to my buddy, and he kind of pointed out to me, is, you know, the government spacecrafts are the ones that you can always see as the lights, you know, and they make patterns and they do different things, and they're the ones that most people perceive as the crazy lights and all that.
		He says, and what I saw, and I didn't believe him until I saw it myself, is that the real spaceships and the real aliens appear to us in this matrix as clouds.
		And I said, okay, whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
unidentified		I know.
		I said, okay, whatever.
		And one day I went back to his house and we were there and he said, look, there it is.
		And there was this big, you know, spaceship-like cloud.
		And I said, okay, whatever, you know, no big deal.
		But then I watched over the next two hours as this giant spaceship-shaped cloud opened up in the back.
		And there was a lever in the back.
		And I swear to you, Arlam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lever on the back?
unidentified		It was like an opening in the back, like a hatch.
		And I watched over the next three hours as these little circular disc-like pieces of cloud came out.
		And it was so slow.
		And if you weren't paying attention, you would have never noticed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So three hours you watched this, right?
unidentified		Three hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So why didn't you grab a camera?
unidentified		Because I was out in the middle of the desert, New Mexico.
		And if you've ever been out to the Mesa, New Mexico, outside of Paos, you know that no one has cameras, no one has TVs.
		People are absolutely outside of any kind of technological holdings.
		They really are just trying to get to the roots of existence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I've got a photograph on my website tonight that just went up hours ago, a couple hours ago or an hour ago, of an angel in the clouds.
		I mean, I'll be doggone if this is not an angel.
		It is right down to almost the last detail, obviously an angel.
		Well, if you can have angels, you can have spaceships.
unidentified		Definitely.
		I hear that.
		Now, this is the crazy part.
		I mean, I was watching for a while, and I still was doubting everything, but I watched as all these little spaceship clouds came out, right?
		And it was all vibrating over the Sangre de Cristo Mountains there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And this was the craziest part, Art.
unidentified		I know it's going to sound nuts, but we heard so clearly that there is no good or evil, that all our religions have been holding us hostage to these concepts of good and evil, and that nothing exists but this moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, where did this come from?
unidentified		Now, this was just like just the energy in the air.
		It was like voices so clearly heard.
		And I asked him what he heard, and he told me, I didn't even spit it out.
		He told me everything that I had heard, and we both reiterated the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you both heard this?
unidentified		Yep, that there is no good or evil, that there is only this moment, and good and evil is a way to keep us fighting ourselves.
		And while we fight ourselves, they're going to sell us mindless, mindless consumerism.
		And that was what we heard clear as day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that sounds like an anti-capitalist message.
unidentified		Well, it's not even that.
unidentified		It's not even that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's an anti-capitalist cloud message.
unidentified		No, it was just, you know, and since then, I've been living on that, and I watch every night as Peter Jennings, Tom Brokov sells us lives of good and evil.
		Walt Disney, you know, sells us lives of good and evil.
		And it's everywhere, I mean, from the moment we're out here.
		And that message came so clear to me.
		And since then, I've been living in such peace that, you know, every day, every day I thank those cloud aliens for bringing me that truth, that there really is no good or evil.
		And that's the way we fight ourselves, is by separating the existence into two separate parts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I've got it.
unidentified		You're perfect and free in your entirety, Art.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks.
unidentified		Have a good one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		Take care.
		Cloud aliens, along with a cloud message.
		That sounded suspiciously anti-capitalistic to me.
		Wildcard line, you're on air.
		Cheerio.
unidentified		Well, hi, Art.
unidentified		Yeah, thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Extinguish your radio for us.
unidentified		I will indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your TV and your CD player and whatever else you've got.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		I'd like to talk about the disclosure book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I think Stephen Greer kind of underplayed that.
		And it's not only got the Flying Saucer stuff, but in the last couple chapters, of course, there's the one big chapter on top secret testimony of government insiders.
		And then there's the free technology chapter and all that.
		But it's really worth, I think, the price of the book just for this small, short, hard copy of Monsignor Balducci's statement from the Vatican.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Because, boy, I mean, it's...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got an echo here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Oh, mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An echo.
		Anyway, you're absolutely right.
		Balducci's statement was incredible, wasn't it?
unidentified		It just talks about very theologically confident.
		It says they're not devils, they're not angels.
		I mean, we human beings are probably the worst creations there can be anyway.
		They're probably closer to God than we are, so we should probably take them seriously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, no devils, no angels.
unidentified		Right.
		There's even something in there in that book about for you, Art, too.
		I noticed in page 402 on the testimony of AH talks about Operation Looking Glass, which talks about alien technology that the government has that can look into the future and go back in time and see what's going to be happening.
		So it's something to think about.
		I know you're interested in that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a lot to think about, sir.
		I've got to run with the bottom of the hour.
		Thank you very much.
		Goodbye.
unidentified		Goodbye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every now and then we get an echo.
		I don't know where that comes from.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2001.
		I get enough, I thought to weep, I made it to the top.
		I did all I have to give.
		But you have to stop.
		You know the time by telling me you're lie without a cake.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		One morning comes in your store and the bus and the tourists are gone.
		And you've thrown away your chips and lots to take.
		So you have to stay on.
		But the drumbeat strings of the night will be rhythm of the new fun day.
		You know what time you're about.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 1st, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Morning, everybody.
		Some people are saying on Passby said they thought Sylvia said I was hit by a cart.
		C-A-R-T, not a car.
		Maybe.
		But if you're hit by a cart, doesn't that mean you were first trampled by a horse?
		Either way, huh?
		Either way.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll get right back to all this.
		Open lines.
		anything you want to talk about, directly ahead.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of August 1st, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		By the way, anybody out there notice we got rid of the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The heck with them.
		We'll crash in and crash out instead.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Yes, sir.
unidentified		How are you doing today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing, sir.
unidentified		Yes, by the way, my prayers go out to the bad bag.
		Having one before, I can feel your pain.
		Thank you.
		Yes, sir.
		Actually, I'm the gentleman I've called you a couple times before.
		I'm the one who was seeking clarity.
		And ironically, it was through talk shows like this and things like this.
		Today I attended my first city council meeting here in Hillsborough in Tampa, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you get any clarity there?
unidentified		Well, sir, I did, because actually what's ironic is that we have a public access station down here called Tampa Bay Community Network.
		And I'm one of those people, as you can tell, I tend to call.
		And I called one of these shows.
		And next, no, no, I'm putting on my own show down here.
		But yet I also find myself, the more I talk about it, the more I look at stories in everyday in the newspapers and things like that, it really makes you want to get involved.
		And your local government makes you want to get involved just what's going on.
		Because you really, if you, and then just shows like yourself, sir, like the drilling and online.
		In fact, today I was actually in an office where I was starting to work on a campaign regarding offshore drilling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, if you can stay in this for a number of years and not get cynical, then my vote goes for you for sure.
unidentified		Well, what's ironic, sir, is when I tell my friends about this and talk to other folks about it, it's amazing how desensitized we are as a society because it's literally like every day we get a new story that replaces the next story.
		And it seems like we've almost got a cry wolf theory where we almost feel like we can't do it.
		But yet last year's election and calling from Florida, as you know, one person can make the difference.
		And I appreciate the time, sir, and have a good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, all right, you too.
		Usually when people get involved in local government, they start out, as they do really at all levels of government, wanting to do a lot of good.
		But they start running into the reality of politics.
		Whether it's local or national, there's not a hell of a lot of difference, frankly.
		And to be in politics, it is my opinion that you have to compromise your personal principles.
		And I don't know how you avoid that.
		And the higher you go in office, the more personal principles you've got to compromise.
		I've thought about this for a long time, and so people who begin to brush up against that with the best intentions usually come away pretty cynical.
		Easter the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		So good to hear your voice again.
		Thank you.
		Pray for a speedy recovery for you.
		Thank you.
		Two items.
		I'm hoping someone else could call in to expound further upon what I'm about to say.
		But there was an item in the news here in New Haven area, New Haven, Connecticut.
		By the way, my name is Reggie.
		I'm calling from West Haven, Connecticut.
		Okay, Reggie.
		And the item was this little boy was having an MRI, and someone walked into the...
		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, and it took off into the air, went into the machine, and crushed his skull, and he died.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know all about it.
unidentified		Tragic.
unidentified		But I was surprised to hear you had a repeat of a doctor that was on, and you questioned him about the magnetic energy or field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he said he didn't know about it.
unidentified		And the reports that I heard here...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recall.
		Well, let me tell you, I just had an MRI, as I think you're aware.
		And I intentionally closed my eyes and almost went into a, even despite the noise of the MRI machine, I almost went into a meditative state because I wanted to really see if I could see an effect.
		And I did.
		I surely did.
		I closed my eyes and clouds began to form.
		Light clouds, very light, bright clouds.
		And they would quickly move out of my apparent field of vision.
		And another one would form and move out of my field of vision.
		And so the electromagnets in that thing were obviously having an effect on my brain.
		And that's the only effect I felt.
		No ghosties, no goblins, nothing like that.
		But I surely did see that.
		No question about it.
unidentified		Right.
		And the other item I wanted to touch on was listening to your guest tonight.
		I was wondering why, and it probably would be inappropriate, but I was wondering why the Chandra Levy case wasn't brought up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to ask Ed Dames about Chandra Levy on Friday.
unidentified		Oh, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've had him working on Chandra Levy, so you'll get your answer then.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Thank you so much, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Hun.
		Take care.
		I kind of kept it general.
		I probably should have asked her about Chandra Levy, actually.
		At any rate, Ed Dames is going to have an answer for us, and we shall see.
		Another thing, I thought Ed Dames had just about a hit on Amelia Earhart, if that story turns out to be true, because it was just about, as he said, or so close to the area, it's not even funny.
		And what apparently was spotted, the wreckage that was spotted from satellite, whether if it does turn into the real thing, will be awfully close to what Ed said.
		Virtually not hidden, not deep down in the ocean, but very shallow.
		West of the Rockies, you are now on the air.
		Hello there.
unidentified		Hi, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Yeah, first I want to say hello to Dean.
		I heard Dean on tonight.
		Me and Dean, man, we go way back with Mike Siegel, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Dean.
unidentified		I think Dean should be married by now.
		I think he was going to get married in May.
		So if he did, congratulations.
		And basically what I wanted to say is, you know, I say this politely, but everything Sylvia Brown, is that who she was, Sylvia Brown?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She was Sylvia Brown.
unidentified		Everything she said basically was demonic to the core.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I understand that real religious conservatives would absolutely believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Demonic to the core.
unidentified		Well, it's not religious conservatives.
unidentified		It's what Scripture says.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a religious conservative, sir.
		Somebody who abides literally by the scripture would pick out parts of it that would support that.
		Now, I think she did bring up one pretty good point, and that is that there is scripture and there is scripture, and there is some scripture that seems to support people who were seers.
unidentified		Well, prophets, yeah, but all the world of like divination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but at one point it says anybody who would tell you the future is a false prophet.
		But at another point in the Bible, it seems to support prophecy by humans.
		So how do you reconcile that?
unidentified		Well, God does give prophets, but the use of trying to see the future through means of divination, whether past, present, or future, that is strictly condemned.
		That's divination.
		That's quasam in Hebrew.
		And nehash, neaz, anon, and that's in the Old Testament Hebrew.
		And Mantiomene, and Numa, Donald.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand there are many, many, many people who feel as you do.
unidentified		It's divination, and that's condemned.
		But being prophet, that's a special gift from God.
		And a true prophet would never claim that they are a prophet for the sake of humility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how do you know there couldn't be egotistical prophets?
unidentified		Well, then they're false prophets.
unidentified		He was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was he?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		True prophets say thus far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there any modern day claimed prophets or people in the modern day that you would say are true prophets?
unidentified		There are holy elders in Greece that are clairvoyant elders that are Christian monastics, but they're not equivalent to, say, the Old Testament prophets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody's name that you could rattle off that we would know, though.
unidentified		Living today?
		Yeah.
		You wouldn't know them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, listen, I appreciate the call.
		You may well be right.
		Who knows?
		You may be correct.
		Who knows?
		On the other hand, there are people like Sylvia Brown and others that I know personally that absolutely have that talent, have that ability.
		Now, I suppose you can say that they're sourced evilly if you wish, and believe that if you wish, but I don't think you can argue that their ability is not valid.
		I've seen it too many times, and I'm not easy to convince, and I never believed in this sort of thing, but I've seen it personally up close.
		And so that I know that it's real.
		Now, is it demonically Sourced.
		I don't know.
		If you believe in the devil.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Top of the morning.
		Hello?
		Going once?
		Going twice.
		Gone.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		Hello.
		Yeah, is this art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		Yeah, I just wanted to bring up something with your back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I had to go to a class not too long ago on lifting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lift with the legs.
unidentified		And a couple instructors both had back problems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what kind of confidence does that give you?
unidentified		Well, one had surgery, the other went to another therapy I thought you might want to think about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, go ahead.
unidentified		He had something mixed with chiropractor and therapy all in one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you what my experience with chiropractors is, and it's very limited.
		But I've been to the chiropractor a few times.
		A lot of people suggest that.
		And they make me feel better for a little while.
		I get off the table and I go, wow, man, that's great.
		But it lasts a couple hours, few hours, and then it's back to where it was.
		Now, that may not be the case.
		I mean, everybody's an individual.
		Nobody's condition is the same.
		And that makes advice very difficult.
		But that's been my experience with chiropractors.
		I've tried it and tried it, and it works for me for a little while, and then the same old thing comes back again.
		First time caller align, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Hello, is it?
unidentified		Turn it on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, turn off your radio.
unidentified		I just did.
		Thank you.
		I know everybody's been calling about your back.
		Yes.
		I'm a board-certified hypnotherapist, and I have done many classified progressions.
		Yes.
		And I suggest...
		Cart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A cart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, like I said, then that probably means I was trampled by a horse first.
unidentified		But not necessarily.
		But I suggest that you work with Sylvia if...
		Are you interested in what I'm saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		All right.
		You said you should work with Sylvia.
unidentified		If she worked with her, yes.
unidentified		Because the purpose of a past life regression and going back to the initiating cause is not the incident in itself, but the emotions that may be related to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		And I suggest you work with her.
unidentified		Because she also has healing potential, and that's also very important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as I understood it, if I heard her say it properly, the healing is the psychological aspect of having you come to terms with what happened to you in a prior life, right?
unidentified		In many, many cases, yes.
		But also in many cases, there's sometimes a residue that needs to be finished off with some healing.
		At least that's been my experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean as in personal or hands-on type healing?
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know that she does that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We didn't get into that aspect of it, really.
unidentified		Well, I wish I could, I mean, I could help you long distance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anything you think you can do, I would appreciate.
unidentified		Okay, what number would I call during the day?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, I can't give that out.
unidentified		No, no, I mean, no, I know you're not going to be able to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I tell you what you could do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can call my network at area code 541-664-8829.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's that?
unidentified		That's fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, and leave your name and number.
unidentified		Fine, I'll do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you.
		And, you know, thank you all.
		It's just that everybody, you know, has a method, a little thing.
		Anybody you talk to about a back problem has a relative or themselves, and they've all had back problems, and they're all kind of distinct.
		And no single cure works for everybody.
		So it's just one of those things, a cart, huh?
		A cart.
		I don't know.
		I can feel there's probably a hoof print back there somewhere.
		That's what I think I can feel.
		Big old U-shaped hoofprint.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, hello.
unidentified		It's Keith from Hamilton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Keith.
unidentified		How are you doing?
unidentified		I wanted to give you my backstory, if I could, very quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is the last night we're doing backstories, folks.
unidentified		Okay, that's the problem.
unidentified		I used to always talk to you about my constant everyday bad luck, and I have a bad luck backstory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, bad luck, bad luck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're all bad luck.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		When I was 18, I worked at a supermarket, and I had to clean up the tops of the shelves of overstock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And there was a grating up there, and my shoelace got tangled in the grating.
		I completely tripped and was about to fall backwards.
		Now, as I did, here's the second part to it.
		You know those carts to pull stock to the aisles and stuff?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		I landed on that.
		It tipped over.
		I landed on my back the second time.
		To this day, I have two slip disks, and I still feel the pain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		It does not go away, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		That's what the doctors told me.
		It will not go away.
		It won't get better by itself, they say.
unidentified		I wish you luck with your back, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we march forward in time.
		We'll see what happens.
		Yes.
		I'll call Sylvia.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
unidentified		It is off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Proceed.
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Proceed.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Speak.
		Now, you're turning your radio on again, sir.
		Turn it off, please.
		You'll have to leave long.
		All right, go ahead.
unidentified		I'm just wondering about the global warming thing you had on like a month ago, just before you went on vacation.
		Yes.
		I just think it's a really bad idea to have people, you know, like the scientists that think they can probably move the Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean NASA's idea to move the Earth farther away from the Sun?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that didn't strike me as plan A, or what ought to be Plan A, anyway.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		How did you say that they thought they were going to do it?
		Try bringing asteroids or comets by the Earth to move the Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the way they were going to do it is they said that an asteroid which would be diverted from some orbit it's in now, a big one now, a real big one, I mean bigger than the one that even killed the dinosaurs, would be diverted so that it would pass, literally skipping almost through the Earth's atmosphere.
		It would pass so close that it would throw the Earth out of its present orbit and begin to move us out into space farther away from the Sun.
		Now, I don't think you have to be a NASA rocket scientist to decide this might not be a good idea, that several things could go wrong.
		For example, the big rock could hit us by mistake, come into the atmosphere, just a little error in their movement of that rock, and we'd be toast.
		And then, of course, others might imagine that we would be successful, but the Earth would go spinning further out than the scientists thought.
		I mean, after all, they do occasionally get things wrong.
		You've all heard the stories.
		I'm Art Bell.

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