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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 15th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest.
		I bid you all good evening or good morning, wherever you may be, across this great land of ours and well beyond.
		From the island of Guam in the west, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north, all the way to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet, this is Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Art Bell.
		First two hours, Dr. Stephen Greer.
		I know one you've been waiting for.
		Followed by three hours of Friday night, Saturday morning, flat open lives.
		That's what's directly ahead.
		Very directly ahead, Dr. Stephen Greer.
		Dr. Stephen Greer is the founder and international director of the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, CSETI, and the Disclosure Project.
		A lifetime member of Alpha Omega Alpha, the nation's most prestigious medical honor society, Dr. Greer is an emergency physician and former chairman of the Department of Emergency Medicine at Caldwell Memorial Hospital.
		On May 9th, 2001, as director of the Disclosure Project, Dr. Greer presided over the Disclosure Project Press Conference from the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. Over 20 military, government, intelligence, and corporate witnesses presented compelling testimony regarding the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence visiting the planet and the reverse engineering of the energy and propulsion systems of these craft.
		Over 1 billion people heard of the press conference through webcast and subsequent media coverage on BBC, CNN Worldwide, Pravda, Chinese media, and media outlets throughout Latin America.
		The webcast had 250,000 people waiting online, the largest webcast actually in the history of the National Press Club.
		Dr. Greer and the Disclosure Project team are following up with a campaign for disclosure, a nationwide tour to mobilize support for open and honest hearings on the subject of extraterrestrial intelligence.
		Dr. Greer has recently released his new book, Disclosure, Military and Government Witnesses Reveal the Greatest Secrets in Modern History.
		The book contains explosive testimony by military, government, intelligence, and corporate witnesses with insightful commentary by Dr. Greer.
		He's met with and provided briefings for senior members of government, military, and intelligence operations in the U.S. and around the world, including senior CIA officials, joint chiefs of staff, White House staff, senior members of Congress, and congressional committees, senior U.N. leadership, diplomats, and other military officials in the United Kingdom and across Europe.
		Dr. Greer has been seen and heard by millions worldwide on such shows as the Larry King Show, CBS, BBC, NTV in Japan, dozens of radio and TV appearances.
		He's addressed tens of thousands of people at live conferences and lectures around the world, including the International Convention for Menza, the High IQ Group, the Institute of Noetic Sciences, Board of Directors, and the Sierra Club.
		Dr. Greer is married.
		He and his wife have four daughters and reside in the Charlottesville, Virginia area.
		Here's the guy you've been waiting for.
		Dr. Greer, welcome back.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad to be here.
		Everybody, I guess, wants to know, gosh, what happened?
		What was it like?
		What was the atmosphere like?
		How was the press?
		Everything.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was actually very excellent.
		I mean, most of the coverage was extremely positive and objective.
		There were some ridiculing pieces, as you could expect, but most of it was very strong.
		For example, the Washington Times had a half-page article in the next day's paper in the front section on page three in the news section.
		And when members of our team were up on Capitol Hill that day, members of the Senate and House immediately would see the name tag disclosure project, and senators and members of Congress would come up and say, oh, we heard about that and would immediately start talking to us.
		Oh, yes, it's very interesting.
		It totally penetrated Washington.
		In fact, I was on the Ollie North show and the Laura Ingram show, which are both conservative Republican talk shows in D.C., and they both introduced me by saying, my God, the whole city is talking about this.
		So it definitely put it on the radar screen.
		And what we are trying to do now is to mobilize you, the people and the listeners of your show, to actually get involved because the momentum is there now to, I think, really force some important changes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the reaction to it, other than the usual few chuckles, was very sincere and good and big.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Very serious, actually.
		It was very interesting to see the BBC was covering it round the clock, around the world on BBC World, Radio and TV for several days.
		And in fact, the other news agencies in Russia and China as well as throughout the United States were covering it heavily.
		The most interesting coverage, I think, came out of, however, Great Britain.
		There was very strong coverage in some of the largest papers and the BBC, which is very unusual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not that surprised, Doctor.
		I cover strange stories all the time, and believe me, they are covered first and best by the BBC.
		The American press on this kind of subject, not good.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		No, well, of course, one of the things that people need to understand, one of our witnesses who is there is a trial attorney, a constitutional lawyer, Daniel Sheehan, that I think you know about, who shared the fact with me in testimony that he personally had seen a document when he was representing the New York Times during the Pentagon Papers event Where there were 43 NSA and CIA and national security operatives on the payroll
		of all the major media whose responsibility it was to kill these kinds of stories.
		And it's very interesting because the public naively think we have a free press, and in fact, there's nothing could be further from the truth when it comes to these really sensitive national security state issues.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it doesn't seem like the BBC has any problem frequently writing about things that happen here in the U.S. And where do you have to get the story?
		From the BBC.
		Right.
		So, I mean, here it was covered by Pravda, right?
unidentified		Correct.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		It was covered Pravda, Chinese news agency.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Although, by the way, we've been meeting with the embassies of a number of foreign governments who have been receiving us extremely favorably.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, but my point is the BBC in England, Pravda in Russia, top of the line, right?
		And good for CNN.
		I'm glad they covered it.
		I saw what they covered.
		But shame on the major networks here.
		I mean, if the major networks in London and Moscow, for God's sakes, are going to cover it, then what about our majors?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, the whole problem in the United States is that the subject has been ridiculed effectively for so many decades that there's a sort of a passive resistance.
		And then on top of it, there are the national security state controls.
		I met with a major national security correspondent for one of these entities, United States.
		I don't want to say who at this point.
		But he told me, he says, you know, we never print or report the really important stories.
		And he said that right to my face.
		And I said, well, you know, have you ever heard of something called the Constitution and a free press and the fourth estate to be a check and balance?
		And he just smiled at me and he said, yep, but it isn't like that.
		And so, you know, and so, you know, the public have to understand that, you know, there is this sort of naivete and people have taken this sort of fantasy in PR that we have an independent and free media.
		But on the really important issues, we really don't.
		And what we're trying to do is mobilize the media that will report this, but also the public.
		You know what many members of Congress have told us, and that is that one of these members I met with last week for over an hour face to face up in the Capitol, was that they are looking for the American people to signal to them that they're concerned about this issue and that the media is concerned about it, and then they might do something.
		So in a sense, this is really an experiment in democracy to see if the American people and people around the world will say, look, it's long enough for this secrecy.
		And the world needs these new technologies and energy and propulsion systems that we have crafted from studying extraterrestrial vehicles.
		And the environment needs it.
		But beyond that, we need to look at our long-term future on so many issues that are really being thwarted by the secrecy.
		So we can prove that the issue is real.
		This new book you mentioned, now anyone can read it who wants to.
		It's 576 pages.
		They can get it at disclosureproject.org, or they can call an 888 number and get it at 888-DRGREER, D-R-G-R-E-E-R.
		And I'll tell you, there's 69 military intelligence and government witnesses in there, most of whom you've never heard of before.
		They are named rank and serial number.
		Only two out of the 69 are not named, and that's for reasons that are just really sensitive for these people because their positions right now.
		One of them is still with Boeing Aerospace and doesn't want to lose his job.
		But I will tell you that this book has 69 transcripts of their testimony that's been edited, and it has government documents that support many of their stories, and it ranges from brigadier generals to colonels to Atomic Energy Commission officials to very senior FAA official who's come forward with explosive proof of these objects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you could give us some of the best.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you did give us some last time, but then there were some things that I think you couldn't cover until after the fact.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Right, because they didn't really want to get out there before there was enough massive coverage to protect them.
		I will tell you one of them, for example, is a man named John Callahan, who was Ronald Reagan's senior FAA official.
		He was in charge of all accidents and investigations.
		And in this new book, Disclosure, I think he's one of the early witnesses that appears.
		He provides both documents and testimony concerning a massive UFO tracked for 31 minutes on FAA and military radars in Alaska.
		Many people have heard of this case.
		It's the 1986 Japan Airlines case.
		But this is a senior FAA official coming forward saying he investigated it on behalf of the director of the FAA, that it was real, that the object was tracked on multiple radars as well as on board the 747.
		This UFO moved in a nonlinear way at speeds and in a manner inconsistent with anything made on this planet.
		And he also said that he ultimately went, did a briefing in the round room of FAA headquarters.
		The CIA was there, the FBI was there, and Ronald Reagan's science team was there.
		And at the end of it, the CIA said, this event never happened.
		This meeting never happened.
		We're taking everything you've got and going back to CIA headquarters.
		Well, they thought they took everything because they thought it was in the round room.
		But he kept the originals in his office.
		And when he retired, he took them.
		And now he's giving them to us.
		And it is hundreds of pages of digital printouts.
		It is the actual original videotape of the radar tracings.
		It is the transcripts of the pilot and the FAA controllers talking to each other about this massive object.
		And this is, you know, everyone's saying, where are the senior government officials who know about this and have been party to some of these cover-ups?
unidentified		Well, here they are.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Here he is.
		Name, rank, and serial number coming forward.
		So that's the kind of material we're putting out there into the public.
		And for that reason, it is being taken very seriously up in Washington.
		And, you know, we've actually been surprised.
		We had one of our witnesses who was present at the Bentwaters event and landing in England in 1980, who Was outside the White House.
		This is a great story.
		And this man, Larry Warren, was outside the White House just because he had some downtime.
		And one of Bush's senior officials came out with a news reporter just by chance and saw this man with his name tag that said the disclosure project.
		And this man walked up to our witness and said, oh, the disclosure project.
		I've been hearing about that in the news.
		Good luck with what you're doing.
		And this guy had the presence of mind, Larry Warren had the presence of mind to pull out a CD-ROM of our 500-page executive briefing document that we have prepared for the president and for other people and handed it to this senior aide of George W. Bush.
		And the man took it and walked right back into the White House with George Bush and, I'm sure, talked about it.
		So, you know, there have been a million little miracles and a whole lot of nice little coincidences, but we have found that the reception has been very positive overall.
		In fact, the State Department, as you know, runs a show, Voice of America, and they have a show that they broadcast every weekday that goes to 330 million people.
		That's radio, TV, shortwave, and internet.
		And we were on that show with Dr. Carol Rosen, who was Bernhard von Braun's right-hand assistant for four years, and this John Callahan.
		And it was a very interesting thing because the day before we went on, word got out that we were going to do it.
		And so they had to put on a couple of debunkers on there with us.
		But, you know, I think we handled them quite well.
		But overall, I would say there's been tremendously positive coverage.
		Now, what we need to do now is potentiate that, and we're launching this campaign for disclosure.
		You know what we're going to do?
		We're taking this witness testimony.
		We've created a two-hour video summary out of the 120 hours we have.
		It's just sort of snippets, little pieces of it.
		And we're going to show this for free, as long as we can afford to do it, in all these cities.
		We're going to be in Boulder on the 23rd of June.
		And we're going to be at the University of Colorado, Boulder.
		Anyone in Colorado, get there.
		It's going to be free.
		We're going to show this two-hour summary videotape, and then I'm going to give a presentation.
		And we're going to mobilize people in every major city in America to organize into activist groups to get their representatives on this train and getting the truth out.
		And that's what we're going to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		A couple of questions for you.
		One, would it be your view that all presidents in modern time have known about all of this?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I can tell you for a fact.
		One of the interesting pieces of testimony, if you read this book, there is a thread that goes through so many witnesses' testimony.
		For example, we have a man, John Maynard, who is a senior Defense Intelligence Agency military analyst, named in here.
		Read his testimony.
		He talks about how Jimmy Carter was deliberately left out of the loop on this.
		We have the testimony, in fact, of Daniel Sheehan, who represented, who, of course, did the Iran-Contra, the Silkwood case, the Three Mile Island case, the Pentagon Papers.
		He in his, in 1977, met with a Congressional Research Service, a science and technology official who said that when Carter came into office, that George Bush Sr., the CIA director, was called in to give information to Jimmy Carter on this subject.
		And you know what happened?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On this subject.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		On this subject.
		Carter said, I want you to hand over the files on UFOs and extraterrestrials to me.
		And CIA Director Bush, the father of George W., said, no, we will not.
		If you want that, you go to Congress.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You go to Congress?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Go to the Congress to get it.
		Now, this is a man giving his testimony.
		Now, the woman who reported this, was in the loop, was then asked by the Carter White House to look into this.
		And, of course, this is something very worrisome because you're talking about a President of the United States denied access by a sitting CIA director from the previous administration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No matter what party or political view he would be, he'd be the president of the United States.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right.
		You know, it's not the man, it's the office.
		See, this is the thread that runs through the testimony, and that is the management of this issue being the most important crown jewel in the national security state, has been managed in a way that is provably unconstitutional and illegal.
		This is why I'm saying, anyone out there listening who is a military defense contractor, intelligence person who knows about this subject, contact me at disclosureproject.org.
		We are releasing you from your national security oaths, and here's why.
		There is no legal foundation for those oaths.
		They are null and void because the projects related to this subject have been managed in a way that is provably illegal and unconstitutional a priori by definition.
		That means all legal agreements from those projects are non-binding.
		So anyone who wants to come forward should.
		Our lawyers have said that's a sound legal position, and no member of the Pentagon or the intelligence committee that I have presented this position to have challenged it.
		Not a single official.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was going to ask you if you've consulted attorneys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, you have.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely we have.
		And in fact, not only that, but I will tell you something I've never said before.
		I hope you're sitting down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I had a meeting with the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff a couple years ago, the J-2 position.
		And this is an admiral who turned to me and he said, I know this stuff is going on.
		I have been denied access to it.
		I am horrified at how this is being managed.
		And whatever you have to do to get this out, do it.
		Take it to the media.
		Get these men to speak.
		And this is an admiral, head of intelligence, joint staff.
		This same man is now the sitting head of the Defense Intelligence Agency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		Now, here's the deal.
		There are most of the people, 99 plus percent of everyone in the government, in the military, the CIA, even the NSA, they don't know about this subject.
		They don't have access to it.
		It's that compartmented.
		And our leaders are also denied.
		Clinton was routinely denied information on this, and this is why I had to end up briefing his first CIA director, James Woolsey.
		What this means is that we the people have to correct a very serious malady, illness in our body politic.
		And you know, a wonderful and heroic man of our leader of our country, President Eisenhower, had warned us about this and no one paid any attention.
		You know, and he said, I'm quoting, I hate to read the people, but this is in the front of my book, but I just love this quote.
		President Eisenhower, January of 61, said, in the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
		The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
		We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.
		We should take nothing for granted.
		Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.
		President Dwight Eisenhower.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we were warned.
		Doctor, hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		We'll be right back.
		Dr. Stephen Greer is my guest.
		And when we get back, I think we'll ask whether, gee, shouldn't the press approach the current director of the Defense Intelligence Agency and ask him about that statement.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		your children play You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 15th 2001 Dr. Stephen Greer is here very serious man and a very serious subject and he's doing what a lot of people have wanted to do for a long time letting it all hang out there he'll be right back all right now back to uh dr stephen greer and
		uh...
		doctor greer before i can ask anything else uh...
		if the press were now to go to the head of the defense intelligence agency and ask him about the statement that you said he made to you what do you think he would say no comment no comment i don't like to talk about and all i think that i i i i i asked you if uh...
		uh...
		you thought that uh...
		all presidents have known no jimmy carter no uh...
		bill clinton you said does probably ronald reagan do now so that there was a man who's throughout his presidency made constant remarks about what if there was a threat from somewhere else he kept dropping these little hints all through his presidency ticket handlers uh...
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		who were people who wanted to militarize uh...
		the relationship with the visitors uh...
		are now of course the being sort of uh...
		re-empowered uh...
		currently and this is a real danger to world uh...
		peace into our security because you know when i was at wright patterson air force base
		in 1993 by the way the previous one the previous people in the J-2 position at the Joint Staff had set this meeting up for us at Wright-Patterson at the Foreign Aerospace Science and Technology Division the same foreign technology division that the Roswell remains were sent to and my military advisors and I went there and we had a long meeting with Colonel Canola who was at the time the guy in charge of that operation and he said he says well you know Dr. Greer do you think these
		could be a threat to the national security.
		And I laughed.
		I said, these are life forms that have the ability to go through interstellar and interdimensional space whose technologies would make a hydrogen bomb look like a tinker toy.
		And if they were hostile, you and I wouldn't be having this conversation.
		He looked at me and was writing down on a pad of paper and stopped.
		And I said, look, you know, they may be here for various reasons, but if there was naked hostility or aggression there, we would not be breathing the free air of Earth.
		now so what I have said to people is that one of the dangers of secrecy and this is where Dr. Rosin who is Werner von Braun's assistant who is coming forward is saying this that Wernher von Braun on his deathbed begged her to do everything she could to keep us from turning this relationship into a military one and to keep the weapons out of space because we're sharing space with other life forms.
		We can prove that now.
		And if we go down that dangerous path too far, we may have some unpleasant surprises on our horizon.
		So I think that it's very important that people begin to contact their members of Congress and make a difference in that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One more question, and that is: who do you think would have had the authority to order the President of the United States not to be told about this?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have to understand, and I'm sure you do know this, but for your listeners, the fact is there has evolved since the Eisenhower era a permanent bureaucracy of compartmented, super-secret, military, intelligence, and most importantly, corporate and private institutions dealing with this issue.
		And the president is told as much or as little as they deem he will keep secret.
		Now, in the case of Bill Clinton, a close friend of his who's very much supportive of what we're doing, who used to live at the White House, by the way, very good friends with Bill and Hillary Clinton and a good friend of mine, said to me that they knew he wouldn't keep this secret, so they didn't tell him anything.
		And, you know, and what's interesting, if someone will go along with the game, they'll tell him.
		You know, when I met with Lord Hill Norton, who was head of the Ministry of Defense and a five-star admiral, I was sitting in his living room, and he turned to me.
		Here's this old admiral, a five-star sea lord of the Ministry of Defense, and he turns to me and he says, well, Dr. Greer, why didn't they ever tell me?
		And I said, well, let me ask you a question, sir.
		If you had known about this and you knew that the solution to the world's poverty, to energy, to pollution, to a whole new civilization was being suppressed in a black box, would you have stood for it?
		He said, not at all.
		I said, that's why they didn't tell you.
		They knew you were a stand-up guy who wouldn't put up with this chicanery.
		And so they decided, rather than letting you know and then happen to eliminate you if you started talking, they just kept you in the dark.
		And he looked at me, he says, well, that's it.
		Because they had their psychological profile on me, figured out that I wouldn't go along with the game plan.
		So that is the sine qua non.
		That is really the determinative factor and whether or not someone is told or not.
		And it doesn't really matter if you're the president or the CIA director or the national security advisor or the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
		I think whether you know about this on a deep level or not is precisely in step with whether their profile of you is that you would keep it secret.
		And in the case of many of these leaders, their inclination was not to.
		Jack Kennedy, for example, told one of our military witnesses that while he knew of the subject, he had no control over it.
		He didn't know why.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But isn't the clear implication of this that the president, even if he knows, actually doesn't have the power to do anything about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If there can be a level of decision makers that say, we're not going to tell the president because we don't think he'll keep the secret, that means there's a government behind the government.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And you know, Bill Clinton leaned over and told Sarah McClendon, who hosted us at the National Press Club on May 9th.
		This is a story I haven't told, but I'm going to tell you now.
		She told me this.
		Bill Clinton leaned over to her and said, because she brought this issue up to Bill Clinton.
		I said, why don't you do something about what Dr. Greer and this group's trying to do?
		And he bent over and he said, Sarah, there's a secret government within the government, and I don't control it.
		Now, the point here, however, is that you have precisely the power in your life that you manifest.
		Listen to what I'm saying.
		You do, each of you, everyone listening.
		And I think the President of the United States has a huge amount of power, and if he wanted to do it, he could make things happen to get this out there.
		Now, would it take courage?
		Yes.
		Would it take a certain amount of fearlessness?
		Yes.
		But it's doable.
		And what we're saying is that making that happen is really now in the hands of the people because the people are going to have to get behind this and push and put pressure and put heat on this issue for it to happen.
		Because in Washington, the way Washington works, they don't deal with anything they don't have to deal with.
		And unless the public, we the people, make it quite clear that this isn't going to go away, we're going to keep bringing it up.
		The 20 men that were there and women on May 9th are only one-fifth of the ones we've already gotten testimony from, and I've got 300 more.
		So we're going to keep this pressure up, but we need the public to help.
		But if they do, then the politicians are going to say, hey, look, this is going on.
		There's enough pressure out there that we can justify stepping out on it because the people are giving us protection.
		The people are demanding this.
		And I've had so many people in Congress tell me that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's probably dangerous for you, and it's probably a little dangerous for me and for anybody else involved in this.
		Well, I think it's dangerous to drive on the freeways of L.A. All right, listen, I've got a hard question for you, but I think it's worth asking because I think the answer will probably help a lot of people trying to think what to do right now.
		James in Lancaster, Pennsylvania asks, or says, actually, doesn't this man, meaning you, understand that oaths mean something to some men?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, and they do if they are legitimate.
		And most of the, all these people, if you look at the testimony of these people who've come forward, many of them they say they know that God wants this truth out.
		One man who was with the NRO, the National Reconnaissance Office, said that in his testimony.
		Other men have said that, that they know, they realized late in their careers that there was an illegitimate power keeping this secret.
		And so those oaths are illegitimate.
		Now, are there valid oaths to national security obligations?
		Absolutely.
		But on this issue, are we going to let people commit planeticide, the killing of an entire planet, the ruining of our biosphere, an energy crisis with rolling blackouts in California unnecessarily?
		Hell no.
		I mean, I think it's time for, and I think most of these military men and women have said, enough is enough.
		It's time for one chapter in human history to close.
		Let's open another one.
		And they are totally legitimate in doing that.
		They are not violating any legitimate oath.
		There are legitimate lines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was hoping I could get you to say essentially that.
		I mean, it's really important if you're going to have people come to you, they have to feel that they're doing the right thing for their country and they're doing the constitutional thing we're based on.
		And that's really what they have to understand.
		Otherwise, an oath is an oath.
		It's a very solemn thing.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		It certainly is.
		And I think one of the sad things is some of these men have realized that the secrecy around this issue has been managed in an illegitimate way, that they did so many things.
		One of these witnesses that you can read about in this book, Disclosure, that's just come out this week, is a man who says that he was on one of the enforcement teams that would go around and intimidate people into secrecy.
		And he deeply regretted it.
		And he said that this was wrong and that he knew he had a near-death experience, had a stroke.
		And he said, you know, he knew that God wanted the world to know the truth about this, wanted us to have peaceful relations with these life forms and go forward in a new way in our civilization.
		But he had been duped and forced to do this, but it wasn't legitimate.
		When he realized that there were a total insubordination of the chain of command in the Constitution, then, you know, those oaths are worth not even toilet paper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't agree more, but I understand the solemn nature of an oath and how people feel about them.
		And these are generally people who were in a very disciplined life.
		They were in the service.
		And in the service, I was there.
		You take orders.
		I mean, that's the way it works.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, my dad fought in World War II and the Pacific, and people's lives hung on following that chain of command.
		But when they realize that the chain of command has been totally made a fraud out of it, it's another thing.
		One of the men that's come forward, for example, a man, a lieutenant colonel, Dwayne Arneson, read about him in this book.
		His testimony is incredible.
		He was at a command center in the early 60s where he saw a crypto transmission come across that a UFO had crashed on Spitsbergen Island, Norway.
		It's been rumored for years.
		This is a man who is in the crypto center with a top-secret crypto clearance who has come forward.
		He is a full career officer of the Air Force.
		This is explosive testimony.
		And this guy is stating, and it's been rumored for years one of these things crashed on Spitsbergen Island.
		Here's the man that confirms it.
		Now, he also confirms what Captain Robert Salas has said for years, and he has documents to back it up, and that is the Maunstrom Air Force Base, Strategic Air Command, that there were between 16 and 20 intercontinental ballistic missiles rendered unlaunchable by these UFOs when they were trying to get us to back down off of nuclear Armageddon.
		And this man was in a command center.
		Again, Colonel Arneson confirms what happened.
		That's been the testimony of Robert Salas.
		And all of their testimony is in this book.
		Now, what's interesting about it is that it's highly corroborative.
		They didn't know each other, and yet here they're confirming these events that happened and how they happened in very, very precise detail.
		And so, you know, all these men, what they realize is that as they've gotten older and as they've retired, as they studied the issue in a broader way, is that, well, my God, the emperor has no clothes.
		Who's running this show?
		Who's enforcing this secrecy and why?
		And they realize, of course, that when you hear these accounts of people like presidents of the United States and senior admirals and generals at the Joint Staff and Pentagon level being lied to, you realize that there's no legitimate secret here.
		This is a secret that has no legitimacy anymore, if ever it did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about its effect on institutions, religious, and so forth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Should we actually get what we want?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, one of the wonderful things that I found is I went around the world, killing myself over the last six months doing this or nine months, I went over to the Vatican and met with Monsignor Balducci.
		And there's the most beautiful and spiritual testimony from him in this book where he says that we are all children of God, that no one should have a problem accepting the fact that there are other life forms on other planets in this vast universe, and that wouldn't it have been unwise for the Creator to have only had us as the children of that glorious infinite being.
		And his perspective is so beautiful, and I'm finding that so many of the religious leaders I'm meeting with, like Monsignor Balducci and others, are thinking along the same lines.
		I really don't think, except for a sort of a lunatic fringe of religious kooks, but for the most part, your theologians and your religious leaders won't have a problem with this.
		It may call some revision of certain theological positions and timelines.
		But the fundamental thing that all religions endorse, the existence of a Creator, the infinite God, we as His children, this doesn't change that in the least.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, let's imagine that not to be a big problem, though I think it really is.
		I talk to those folks all the time.
		Next item then would be, certainly you're correct, that these visitations are being made by people who have virtually an infinite source of energy tapped at a level we haven't thought about yet.
		That would, let's see, impinge on all the energy people, on all the oil guys, you know, like our oil man president.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, do you dismiss that one?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		No, not in the least.
		And in fact, this is the geopolitical and economic financial implications of this is really one of the big ones.
		And in fact, the Department of Energy official that I have met with has said he was at a meeting with an admiral in charge of the Office of Naval Research who said his job was about maintaining the status quo of the world's energy supply.
		And in fact, there's so much wrapped up in that, both in terms of finances, national security, economic security.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, his job, I want to be sure I understand this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		His job was to be sure the status quo of energy is maintained.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and this is a shocking statement this guy made.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll say.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And this guy was sitting in on the meeting, and this is a man who is actually also interviewed in this book.
		And what's fascinating about it is that that is the position that you could understand in the 40s and 50s.
		And, you know, in the era when, you know, it's good for GM, it's good for America, yada, yada, yada.
		But good Lord, now we're facing global warming, both polar ice caps melting.
		We're going to be running out of fuel.
		And here's the thing.
		If we announce this year and let out of the box these secret technologies, which we can now prove exist through the testimony we have, the documents we have, the scientists we have on board, it'll take four years at least to retool things, to start manufacturing the darn things, and another 10 to 20 years to get them into the hood of your car and in your house.
		In that amount of time, that's about when we're going to be out of a reasonable supply of oil to meet a growing world demand anyway.
		So it's a win-win-win situation, but you're right, it's a big change, and it's a big infrastructure and geopolitical change.
		And I think that's one of the things that scares those who are the keepers of the secret.
		But, you know, I think we have to look at the future more with hope than with fear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it would be easier, Doctor, to try and calculate the point in time at which oil would begin to be not so viable anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that probably, well, you think so?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		We've already tested it.
		You see, it's like most things.
		It's like the frog being boiled in a pot.
		It doesn't know he's cooked until it hits 212, and there it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I agree.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and we're in a situation now, both in terms of oil supply and in terms of the environment, where our goose is about cooked.
		And I think that we have to wake up, make some changes.
		And, you know, most of the people who know this from the inside out that I've met with at the Pentagon Department of Energy say, yeah, you're right.
		But no one wants to preside over that much change.
		And they're afraid of change, you see.
		So I think that the people are going to have to say and demand a change.
		And if they do, just like in any other political or social issue, change will happen.
		If they remain passive, we're going to get pretty much the cooked frog here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we are not going to be appealing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If we appeal to our congressmen and our senators, are we appealing to the guys in charge?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		If in charge you mean people who can facilitate a venue and opening the door so that more and more of these insiders can come forward and establish this to the world, yes.
		Because will the ultimate ones controlling it?
		No.
		But we have an alternate, I hate to say we have an alternate government plan here, but we do.
		I mean, I don't want to overstate what we're doing.
		But when you read between the lines with who I've been meeting with for eight years and what we're doing, there are hundreds and hundreds of people behind this.
		If the members of Congress would allow open hearings with the world's cameras there, the world would know the truth.
		They'd know the technologies.
		Do I have people I'm working with today that can build you a UFO?
		Absolutely yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, hold on.
		We'll be right back.
		It's the top of the hour.
		We'll have a surprise guest for you in this coming hour.
		Dr. Stephen Greer is my guest.
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		Revere Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		The night's program originally aired June 15th, 2001.
		Morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Stephen Greer is here.
		He said he's Stephen Greer, and you know what he just did at the National Press Club.
		If not, you're hearing about it this morning.
		What do you think?
unidentified		I've been a liar, yeah, lie.
		Be the chief, it'll lead you on it.
		Through the ground from underneath your feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll get right back to him.
		Stay right there.
		All right, once again, back to Dr. Stephen Greer.
		We have a special guest waiting on the line in a moment, Dr. Greer.
		I guess I would like to ask you one more question.
		Well, a couple of more questions, maybe.
		The people are asking these, Hank in Galveston, Texas, everybody would ask it.
		Dr. Greer, do any of your eyewitnesses have any physical evidence to offer?
		Of any kind?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		There are some people we're working with who have physical evidence, and it comes in a number of forms.
		For example, A radar tape tracking these objects is physical evidence.
		We have that.
		There are people who also have some materials from these objects, but they are not an entire craft.
		And I'm not so sure that a part of something would be all that convincing.
		Now, what I will say is that there are numerous people who can corroborate locations and the existence of entire craft and bodies.
		And their testimony under oath would be very definitive.
		And I also have to emphasize that the witnesses and their testimony are backed up in many cases.
		And we've bothered to go ahead and put these in the book with government documents that support these events and projects or specific encounters that have happened.
		So I think that it's important to realize, you know, one of the things that Nick Pope at the Ministry of Defense has said to us is that if any objective person who would look at the evidence, the testimony, the documents, end on end, would conclude that it is real, that the extraterrestrial intelligence component of this is real, but that also that there are very deeply compartmented projects that already have the solution to most of the world's problems.
		And I think that it is not our job to go in and wrestle a UFO out of an underground facility, not yet.
		But I think that it is within the realm of our leadership in the Congress and elsewhere to hold hearings where that information could be proven and where then after that these sort of items would be shown to the American people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean, Doctor, not yet?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, one of the things that we're doing, and this has been planned for about eight years, is the inside briefings and work we've done.
		Now we have all these over 400 military, intelligence, corporate people coming forward.
		That's going to persist.
		Ultimately, the time will come where we will ask for that kind of evidence and material to be shown.
		And I think that we will have the ability to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We've got somebody we'd like to bring on the air right now.
		She is a congressional staffer for a southern congressman.
		And we'll leave it at that.
		And her name is Rhiannon, but she is a congressional staffer.
		And I'd like to bring her on.
		Rhiannon, are you there?
unidentified		I sure am.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Rhiannon.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		Hi, how are you tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
		Rhiannon, why are you here?
		And what would you like to ask everybody to do?
unidentified		Well, I'll tell you why I'm here, and then, like you said, I'm going to ask each and every one of you to do something.
		I'm here because I was at the May 1997 briefing with Dr. Greer and the witnesses when they first gave the VIP congressional briefing in Washington, D.C. I heard Dr. Greer and 11 military men and one woman who was a subcontractor to NASA.
		I heard them talk about what they know personally, what they've seen, what they've witnessed.
		The things they had to say were remarkable.
		But when you listen to these people and you heard the sincerity in their voice, you couldn't deny that they made this up.
		These were military men.
		These were very sincere, professional people.
		And they had information that I've been interested in for years, and it was coming out.
		And Dr. Greer and his volunteers put this together.
		And after I heard this, I decided that Congress needed, and there's only one way that that'll happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Without telling us who you work for, have you, as a matter of interest, gone to your boss with any of this information?
unidentified		Yes, actually, I have.
		Just a few weeks ago, I took one of the most recent briefing books Dr. Greer put together, and I gave it to my boss on his flight home for the weekend.
		And I said to him, I didn't start talking about UFOs.
		I just simply said, Congressman, would you be a little annoyed to find out that we've had the answer to the internal combustion engine for over 30, 40, 50 years?
		And he said, yeah.
		And I said, well, I've got a little briefing document I'd like you to take a look at.
		And when you look at it, I think you're surprised.
		And I said, do you know that all this information is buried deep in those black projects?
		And they've got all the answers to our energy and our technology problems buried in those compartmentalized problems.
		He got real excited, and he says, oh, yeah, oh, absolutely.
		He says, but you know, I don't know what's in those projects.
		He said, for all the years I've been encouraged in them, we don't know where all that money goes, and we're not allowed to know.
		And I said to him, well, why not?
		Where does this money go?
		I think you at least should have an idea.
		And I said, I want you to take a look at this and tell me what you think.
		And he came back to me and he told me what he thought.
		He said, I was reading that and there's some really, really interesting stuff in there.
		And I said, okay, you just take a look at it and we'll talk later.
		But I can't talk to him until the people start to react.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly right.
		That's exactly right.
		He couldn't really make any serious moves that would go anywhere unless there was some sort of groundswell of public opinion supporting his action.
		That's right.
		That's how politicians get brave.
unidentified		That's right.
		But I've got a plan here.
		Okay.
		And I'd like to tell you what my plan is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Letter rip.
unidentified		Now, I've been on Congress almost 20 years, so I know how it works.
		I've worked in several different offices, and they all pretty much work the same.
		So this is what I think we should do, and I feel very, very strongly that this will work, and everybody can make a difference.
		And that's what I want to emphasize here.
		People are waiting for the other person to write letters.
		They're waiting for the other person to stand up and talk about this kind of thing.
		And other people are not doing it.
		For all the times Dr. Greer has gotten on the television, gotten on the television, I'm sorry, gotten on the radio with you, and asked for people to make their voices known, I'm here to tell you that after all those times Dr. Greer has been on the radio with you, we have gotten one letter about this subject.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At your congressman's office.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		So the people are not doing their job, and they're going to get the world they deserve if they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you, either one or both of you, think that is?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I think there's a tremendous apathy, and I think what Rihanna just said is right, hitting the nail on the head, that people think that someone else will do it.
		And everyone listening, please, I'm pleading with people, help us.
		There is a sample letter on our website, disclosureproject.org.
		We have it all organized.
		You can link and find out how to get this done.
		And what Rihanna is saying is so important, and that is that people can't expect someone else to do it.
		You need to do it.
		And that's how democracy works.
		And if we become lazy, we will lose our democracy and our freedoms.
		And so this is where we really need the people to stand up and help us get this done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask Rihanna a question.
		I think a lot of us have always wondered when a lot of letters come flooding into a congressional office, if they're form letters, are they regarded one way?
		If they're personalized letters written from constituents, they're probably regarded another way.
		I'm only guessing.
		I'm wondering.
unidentified		Well, petitions are pretty much worthless.
		Form letters are okay as long as it has your name and your return address.
		As long as they can see that you are a constituent, that letter absolutely counts.
		An individual personalized letter is even better.
		Form letters count as long as there's a return address.
		Now, what a lot of people don't know is that emails are deleted.
		Emails are essentially worthless.
		Congressional staffs are not big enough to answer emails.
		A lot of people don't know that.
		In the computer age now, everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's very important.
unidentified		People sit down, they get upset, they shoot an email to their congressman, but they're deleted.
		The average House office gets $8,000 a month.
		The average Senate office gets $50,000 a month.
		And you may get a generic email back, but nobody really is ever dealing with it.
		They're not logged in.
		But if you sit down and you send a letter, or you even send a form letter, the form letters on the disclosure website are great.
		If you send that in and you put your return address, you'll get an answer.
		Because what I need to tell you is that priority faxes and letters, well not priority faxes, but letters from constituents and faxes from constituents are the highest priority mail that comes into the office.
		And that is simply because you elect your congressman.
		Congressmen only will do something risky, as Dr. Greer says, when the people stand up and speak out.
		There's only two ways people can do that in the United States.
		They can riot in the streets and they can do a massive letter writing campaign.
		Rioting in the streets is not going to work.
		I mean, the American people have got just too much going on to be rioting in the streets.
		But I'm asking everybody who ever wondered about UFOs, whoever wondered if any of this is legitimate, not to mention if you've got any children, if you've got any grandchildren, we've got serious environmental and energy problems.
		I'm asking you to shell out $1.03 for three letters, one to your representative and two to your senators.
		If you don't know who they are, you can go to the website and you can pull up this phone number.
		You can call the U.S. Capitol.
		The operators at the U.S. Capitol are really great.
		I'll give you the phone number in a second if you get a pen.
		All you have to do is you give them your zip code.
		Now, for example, if you live in Los Angeles, there are several members of Congress that have Los Angeles as their main city.
		So you need to give the five-digit zip code plus the other four-digit numbers.
		And that capital operator can say, oh, you're in Congresswoman Sanchez's district.
		Okay, because you do have to have that four-digit number if you are in a big city and there are several members of Congress that deal with that city.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		The Capitol Hill phone number is 202-224-3121.
unidentified		202-224-3121.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I would add that there is one more letter to write, and that's to George W. Bush, because the executive branch of government is very important, and I think that he and the White House needs to receive these sorts of letters.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And the other thing that's very effective is to follow up your letter with a phone call to your congressman's office.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me ask you a question.
		What are we asking people to ask for?
		Do we want congressional investigations?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		So here's what it is.
		We have a very specific thing that we're asking for.
		We're asking for open, honest hearings in Congress in which these witnesses whom we've already identified can be subpoenaed, put under oath, and testify, and where other evidence can be presented.
		That's number one.
		We're asking also for legislation banning weapons in space so that we do not run the risk of antagonizing our neighbors who are out there in space in a way that could be dangerous.
		We are also asking that people specifically refer to the energy and propulsion systems that are classified that urgently need to be reviewed and declassified for peaceful energy and propulsion applications in light of the fact that our planet is facing serious environmental and energy crises.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you've got a lot of this outlined on your website, right?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		That's disclosureproject.org.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Briannan, if we had a miracle and we produced a real flood, I mean, you've given people a way to get the name and address to write to.
		Just call this number, 202-224-3121.
		If we produced a real flood of mail, and it is conceivable, What do you think would happen?
unidentified		Well, what's going to happen is the people in the front office who open these letters and the interns who take these faxes off the machine are going to start looking at this and then they're going to take them back to the back office to the legislative people.
		And after you get a number, not after you get five or ten, but after you get a good number of faxes and letters about one subject, the congressional legislative director of the office will look at this.
		And if it's something new that they haven't got information on, they're going to have to research it.
		And at some point, they're going to have to go into the congressman or the senator and they're going to say, we've got these letters.
		What do you want to do?
		Well, when you write these letters, if you mention the disclosure project and you mention the website, they're going to go to the disclosure project's website to see what this is about.
		And hopefully, after we flood the Congress with letters, hopefully, one by one, these congressmen are going to get in touch with Dr. Greer.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And the other thing people can do, I have to emphasize this, is help organize these efforts in their region.
		If you get on our website, disclosureproject.org, you'll see that we're going to go through most of America on the 23rd of June.
		This is a week from tomorrow, a week from Saturday, we're going to be in Boulder at the University of Colorado Boulder at the Chemistry Building Auditorium Room 140.
		And we're going to have a free town hall meeting.
		Anyone who wants to come can come.
		There's no charge.
		We're going to show the two hours of this top secret video witness testimony.
		And we're going to organize local chapters to do this sort of motivational grassroots work and networking this.
		And that's something anyone can do.
		This is how democracy works.
		And if people are concerned about the environment and about peace and the energy crisis and secrecy, they will come out and support that.
		It ain't going to cost them anything to drive over to the University of Colorado and do it.
		We're going to be in Los Angeles, San Francisco.
		We're going to be there in July.
		And the whole schedule is up there.
		It's tentative.
		But this is what we're launching.
		And it's going to require this kind of activation of people writing letters, organizing, and getting out there because the passive approach never works, not in a democracy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Brianna, you believe this can work.
		You really believe it can work.
		If they actually get the letters where they're supposed to go in large numbers, it could happen.
unidentified		I've seen it.
		I've been on Capitol Hill almost 20 years.
		I have seen what a letter writing campaign can do.
		A letter writing campaign like this can take a subject and it will get reevaluated.
		But what we have to do is, after we get all these letters to come in, and what I want to emphasize is that individuals can make a difference.
		We've only gotten one letter in the office.
		I'm hoping, I'm just crossing my fingers, I'm hoping when I go in the office on Monday, the fax machine will be out of paper.
		We've got 500 sheets in there.
		I'm just hoping, because I know how many viewers you have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do they, well, mostly I have listeners.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do they get fax numbers at this 202 number as well?
unidentified		No, they don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you can find out who your congressperson is, but you'll have to track down his fax number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's probably websites that have all of that on the number.
unidentified		We do.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		In fact, we have links on our website, the Disclosure Project.
		Well, it's just disclosureproject.org, where people can find out about that.
		And I think that also every most regions that people live in have local offices for their congressmen and their senators that can give them that information as well.
unidentified		But you do need to fax the information to the D.C. office.
unidentified		There's a possibility if you fax it to the local office, which will be cheaper because it's not going to be a long-distance call, these people will get these letters and they'll just freak out and they'll throw them away and they won't get to Washington and the legislative director will never have a chance to look at this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rihanna, thanks for having the guts to come on tonight.
unidentified		Well, I've seen things and I've heard things and Dr. Greer and his volunteers have the answers.
		Everybody can make a difference, but you've got to do your part.
		You have got to stand up and you've got to write three letters and that's what I'd like you to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Rihanna.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Rihanna.
		Great hearing your presentation.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Doctor.
		Hold on.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Morning, afternoon, or evening, depending on where you are in the world.
		I'm Art Bell.
		My guest is Dr. Stephen Greer, and he'll be right back.
		All right.
		Rhiannon was her real name, and it's not going to take rocket scientists to figure out who she is.
		And I'd like to add that we're going to be watching Rhiannon very, very carefully.
		And there better not be any retribution for her having the guts to come on the air tonight.
		Oh, I don't think there will be.
		Good.
		All right.
		Mac Doctor in Portland, Oregon, has a pretty relevant question.
		Here it is.
		You've mentioned space weapons a number of times, but Reagan knew.
		He promoted Star Wars.
		George W. Bush knows, at least from dad, if not otherwise, and he's promoting space defense.
		Why?
		Power, fear, money?
		Is there a connection?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there's a lot of misunderstanding, but more importantly, one of our defense contractors, who's one of our witnesses, who worked with Fairchild Industries with Werner von Braun, Dr. Rosman, has stated that it's really about the old power, money, ego game, that there's no legitimate need to weaponize space.
		And one of the, of course, it's extremely lucrative if you get some of these multi-billion dollar contracts.
		I mean, we're approaching $100 billion we've spent on just studying, quote-unquote, this.
		But what I'm more concerned about is that we have witnesses who've stated in the testimony in this book that I referred to, which anyone can get.
		These are transcripts of all these testimonies.
		They can order it at 888-Dr.
		Greer or get it at the website, disclosureproject.org.
		And multiple witnesses have stated, and they don't know each other, that they have observed or been present at events where we have targeted these objects.
		One of the witnesses, who's an eminent scientist who's listed in this book, states that we have targeted and destroyed these objects with weapons we already have in space.
		Now, if there's a chance that that's true, we are running the biggest risk in the history of world security since any of us can remember.
		This certainly is a more dangerous situation than the Cold War and the policy of mutual assured destruction.
		So I think that one of the problems is that you have a program going on where a lot of the people who support it don't know what the real agenda is.
		You have the storefront that says, oh, we're building a missile shield, which is fine if that's all we were doing.
		But in reality, those funds are going in the front door into these backroom projects that are rogue, covert, clandestine projects that are extremely dangerous.
		That's what we're concerned about, because until you get that disclosed, our policymakers up on Capitol Hill and even the president may not really know what is going on within those projects and with those funds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's an obvious question.
		If this shooting is intentional, if we've actually done this, then that would mean to me that, oh, well, okay, maybe we know who they are and maybe we're not so happy about it all.
		Otherwise, why are we shooting at them?
		Or is it a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand said not to do?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I think the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing in many cases.
		And in addition to that, you know, I asked the Navy intelligence guy once, why are we doing these things?
		He says, just sheer arrogance and stupidity.
		Hello?
		Is this news to you humans?
		I mean, look at the history of the 20th century, the ridiculous things we have blundered into and the disasters.
		And I think that this is an issue, however, where we're dealing with something very powerful.
		And that's the human future as we relate to other intelligent life forms.
		And this can't be done in secrecy, and it shouldn't be.
		It's a very dangerous thing.
		When I was in Barry Goldwater's living room, he told me it was a damn mistake then and a damn mistake now that this thing has been managed this way.
		And he said that this was a great danger to the national security.
		If you look at the letter written by the first CIA director, one of the first ones, Roscoe Hellenketer.
		Admiral Hillenketer said that the secrecy around the UFO subject is a threat to the national security.
		He didn't say the UFOs were.
		They're not.
		It's the secrecy around it.
		So that's what we're trying to correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Doctor, you're being heard all across Canada, coast to coast, as well as America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Doug in Winnipeg, Manitoba asks, can Canadians in some way, anyway, become involved in disclosure as well, or is it restricted to American residents?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, not at all.
		In fact, I just had a good friend of Václav Havel, of a Czechoslovakian president, contact me.
		And our team has been up at the United Nations meeting with the most senior people there.
		And we are asking that people all over the world do the same thing.
		And in fact, if you want us to come to Canada, you know, build it, and we will come.
		I mean, we're planning to come to Vancouver, and we'd like to come to Toronto and some of the other cities in Canada to organize this effort.
		But you can contact your Prime Minister and your Parliament and also contact your government to exert pressure directly to Congress and also at the level of the United Nations to get a comprehensive ban on weapons and space internationally, but also to push for disclosure.
		There are classified projects dealing with this in Canada that date back way into the 40s.
		In fact, one of our witnesses is a Canadian former Air Force officer who was at the Toronto Air Station when he saw a top-secret collection of gun camera footage of these UFOs being in the World War II theater.
		And he also saw an experiment at this same facility where an object was electronically dematerialized and rematerialized in another room.
		And this man is himself an electronics expert.
		And this was in 1953.
		You imagine this sounds like Star Trek.
		We had the electronics to do this before I was born, and we're still running around with an internal combustion engine in our cars.
		It's insane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so how can my Canadian listeners help?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who do they write to?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		They should write to their member of parliament and to their prime minister referencing this issue, asking them that they hold their own investigation, and that they also have the Canadian government ask the U.S. government to pursue this and also to have their U.N. representatives bring this up in the General Assembly for action.
		And so if enough people in Canada, it's only 30 or 40 million people in Canada, if enough of those people got activated, they could have a tremendous effect there.
		In fact, one of the dramatic things that happened from the May 9th National Press Club Conference, which was, again, people, between 1 and 2 billion people around the world heard about this is that in the United Kingdom there were people protesting the next day in front of Penn Downing Street and this was being discussed on the floor of the Parliament and was actually brought up by the British Prime Minister we are told and reported in the news there by the people we have in the United Kingdom so you know people can have an effect because these one
		of the most effective ways by the way to affect the U.S. Congress is to have these other countries have their representatives and their government contact our president and our Congress and say look we're concerned about this issue we want you to do something about it that has a tremendous effect and there are other countries that are far more open on the subject aren't there oh yes like France of course in the Comita report castigated the United States for its secrecy and that was written by senior people within the government
		and also retired military officials and eminent scientists and I have said that there you have a country that is urging the United States to take action so if the people of France contacted their president and their members of parliament and said look we want you to take action and to inquire at the UN level at the NATO level and also to directly appeal to the U.S. Congress and President to deal with this that also would have a huge effect so yes we're this should be an international effort
		and in fact we are crafting it as an international effort we plan to go to London in the late fall to take this campaign for disclosure worldwide and one of the things we said when we had this press conference by the way I didn't tell people they can still see that whole two and a half hour press conference live quote unquote it's on a link from our website disclosureproject.org will take them right there and they can see it on their computer as if they were there that day all right um you are an emergency room physician yes
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does an emergency room physician finance and mount an effort of the magnitude that you have done?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious, and so are a lot of people.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've about gone broke.
		I mean, you know, it's been out of our back pockets, and there have been a few supporters who have donated a few thousand here or there, but it's been a struggle.
		When the people at the National Press Club learned that we pulled this off with not even a secretary or a separate office in my house here, they were astonished.
		You've got to be kidding.
		This is the biggest press conference since Ronald Reagan was here in the 80s, and they said, you have to be joking.
		But, look, we do need people's help, and that's why we're taking this to the people.
		We need their support.
		We need their donations.
		We need their organizing.
		Look, we pulled the trigger on this.
		This thing's out of the gate.
		The witnesses are out there, in a sense, twisting in the wind.
		We've got to get behind them.
		And, by the way, these are the real heroes.
		I mean, these men and women who have come forward, I mean, some of them have been sweating bullets about talking about this stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was my next question.
		How much wind are they twisting in?
		In other words, since disclosure?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Some of them quite a bit.
unidentified		Really?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Some of them quite a bit.
		And no one's been threatened.
		No one's been harmed.
		But there's been other kinds of pressure that's been exerted.
		And we really need to get the masses of the public behind us.
		And we need to do it quickly.
		That's why, you know, Rihanna says how important it is for people to really take action.
		And, look, come out and meet.
		Come and see the testimony when we're in your city.
		And if you can volunteer, but we don't have a paid staff.
		So if you can help host us in your city, we'll try to come there.
		And we'll present the evidence and the testimony.
		And I'll make a presentation.
		We'll organize the local effort.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you even able to cut enough time out, forget the money side, time out, to do this personally?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, I've had to kick my medical career for the last couple years totally out of my life, which has been depressing, quite frankly.
		Every week I have a dream about being back in the emergency department, taking care of someone.
		it's been personally emotionally very hard not to mention the fact I have four children two in college and a handicapped daughter in private school and another daughter in high school and my family is we've suffered a lot but you know I don't yeah most doctors are out buying condos and stocks and bonds and condos but you know my wife is one of these people she she she was known as St. M. when she was in the Caribbean and as in the Peace Corps and and our view is look we've been fairly fortunate we're we're
		We're not doing well by modern standards, but we're doing well by our standards.
		Our standards are we serving the needs of humanity and what are we doing to leave something for our children and our children's children's children.
		I'm part Cherokee, India.
		My dad was half Cherokee.
		Their saying was, "Everything you do should be looking at seven generations beyond you." I feel that it's time for us to become mature as a civilization.
		To do that we're going to have to come together and make some of these hard decisions and work together for a new world.
		That's what we're trying to do.
		It has been.
		You've talked to my wife, Arden.
		She's here by my side, but this is something none of us asked for.
		Someone asked me the other day, "Oh, isn't this wonderful?" I said, "For 10 cents I would take this and give it to anyone who wanted to take it on.
		Quite frankly, I'm over it." But this is the pearl of great price.
		you don't throw this one back this is an important issue and so
		so the people who understand that whether they're military witnesses corporate contractors like Dr. Rosin my wife other people are saying hey you know we need to do something but there has been a lot of sacrifice but you know I think that's okay I mean that's that's how things go forward and I don't regret any of it doctor if we achieved open hearings in Congress it would be a big deal the network's no longer able to ignore it nobody able to ignore it right we'd bring witnesses of
		of the magnitude that you have forth and what do you think would happen i think what would happen is that people would go out well we always thought this was going on and the ones who didn't work or who are agnostic about it would take well this is real and the world wouldn't come to stop the people say let's see how we can go forward one of the things i keep saying to all these congressmen i'm meeting with and senators i've been having face to face with the most powerful leaders of our country We're not looking for a pound of flesh for anything
		that's happened in the past.
		past.
		We're looking at the future and we're saying the past is the past.
		Let's close that chapter.
		Let's start another one.
		Let's forgive whatever has happened.
		And let's do the right thing for our children and our children's children's children.
		And that's resonating with people.
		And I think that what we would see is people going, well, let's begin to deal with this as a society openly.
		Let's make diplomatic contact, which he said he's been trying to do for a decade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would there be immunity available, do you think, in congressional hearings?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would there be immunity available?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think so.
		And, you know, there have been all kinds of things that have happened in the past where people decide to just move forward and let the truth out.
		For example, in the early Clinton years, Hazel O'Leary, the Department of Energy, revealed that we deliberately poisoned people with plutonium and radiation.
		And the world didn't come to end, and no one went to jail.
		And that information was noted, and it was a learning experience, and we moved on.
		And we vowed not to do those kinds of experiments again.
		I think we as a people are big enough to say, look, whatever reasons there were for the secrecy, they may or may not have been valid, but they're there.
		Let's move on.
		Let's bring these technologies forward for peaceful applications with enforcement so they can't be used as weapons.
		Doctor, can you start a new world?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine any reason so profound that a representative of the government could come to you and give it to you, and it would be so profound that it would turn you around?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		No, absolutely not.
		In fact, that's been, believe me, that's happened in the last 10 years.
		I mean, in fact, I have people surfacing since May 9th, it's been a feeding frenzy of all kinds of covert contact surfacing, trying to do just that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really, really?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, yes, trying to get me on the inside and let's do the inside game and don't go public and don't do this publicly.
		But that's been going on since 1992 in my life.
		And I've never heard a reason yet that I think is compelling.
		And, you know, my mom's family were some of the original founders of the United States.
		They were prisoner of war with the British to found this country.
		I'm going, I'm not going to subvert the things and the ideals I believe in for anybody.
		And there's no threat and no reason for doing so.
		The good people of the world deserve the truth.
		They need a new world without pollution.
		And they need to eliminate poverty and suffering around the world.
		And we're the generation that's got to do it.
		We're going to run out of it.
		We can't pass this on to our kids.
unidentified		It's too late.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		We're going to have to deal with this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like watching a train wreck about to happen.
unidentified		You bet.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And so, you know, those of us who know that have got to do it.
		And, you know, I'd like to let go of this bone in a way, but, you know, it's just something you've got to keep moving forward because you know that it's the right thing to do.
		And that's the only thing I ask myself.
		But there is nothing anyone in the government or in these covert programs could say to convince me that secrecy, lies, suppression of disinformation is the right thing.
		It is not the right thing.
		And as Barry Goldwater told me, it was never the right thing.
		You know, one of Eisenhower's aides has come forward, a brigadier general.
		And his testimony is in this transcript of this book that people can get.
		And Brigadier General Lovekin is a practicing attorney.
		And if he's lying, he'll lose his bar license.
		And he has stated that when he was in the White House with Eisenhower, that they were greatly concerned over this secrecy.
		Eisenhower knew about the subject, but he had lost control of it.
		And that this man, this general, Brigadier General Lovekin, had actually seen some of the crash materials from the New Mexico crash in the 40s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we all know the records, when Congress went after the records of Roswell, they were destroyed.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right.
		And we know that also that this continues to happen.
		It's like a history project like Steven Spielberg did for the Holocaust.
		We're trying to get these witnesses before they pass on to their great reward to come forward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, Doctor, they were illegally destroyed.
		And I have not yet seen anybody's name connected with the destruction of those documents.
		How about you?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Not a specific name.
		But certainly I'm working with a man who knows about a whole lot of documents connected to the retrieval operations and where those have been kept and how those have been destroyed.
		And he can testify before Congress.
		And by the way, he can prove that they were destroyed after a member of Congress started making inquiries.
		But yes, we can.
		We can prove this in open hearings.
		So, boy, there's just so much material to cover on this issue.
		But the central point is we have enough people and evidence to come forward that when they do, the world will know the truth.
		But I think that the focus we want to take that on is, hey, where are we going to go to from here?
		You know, forget the past.
		Where are we going to go to from here?
		Can we create a more open society?
		And can we develop a strategy for getting these beneficial technologies?
		You know, we've spent hundreds of billions, if not trillions, of dollars over the years and current dollars on the research and development of this issue.
		One of the lieutenant colonels who's come forward stated that he knew of this hangar at Norton Air Force Base where a UFO was stored that we had built.
		And that since the 50s, we've had anti-gravity figured out.
		That since the 60s, we've had things that can go to space and back that are anti-gravity.
		And here my uncle, who was the senior project engineer on the lunar module with the little jet thrusters that took Neil Armstrong to the moon, he worked on that at the same time there was a black project that had already perfected anti-gravity.
		Well, see, that kind of stuff has to stop because the world needs these technologies now like they never have.
		And I think the extraterrestrial civilizations are waiting for us as a people to grow up, quit lying, and move on with our future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Doctor, you promised two hours.
		You gave it to us.
		That's it.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much for having me, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Greer, good night.
		Take care, my friend.
		We'll be right back.
		Open lines directly ahead.
		You may have comment on everything you've just heard.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 15, 2001.
		Tonight featuring a conversation.
		She's coming in 1230 nights.
		The moonlit wings reflect the stars that guide you toward salvation.
		I can feel it coming in the air of the night.
		Hold up, and I can wait for this over all my life.
		Hold up.
		Can I feel it coming in the air of the night?
		Oh Lord, Oh Lord When you told me you were drowning out in the hand, you're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 15th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I imagine you might want to comment on what Dr. Greer had to say.
		How could you not?
		So you have that option.
		Otherwise, we're headed to unscreened, unexpected, and generally who knows what kind of talk radio coming up directly next.
		And listen, let me get just two quick things.
		One, the number to get the name and address of your congressional representative is Area Code 202-224-3121.
		You can call that anytime.
		That's Area Code 20224-3121.
		And one quick note on previous evening's subjects.
		You know, this big plan to move Earth.
		Robert in Fort Smith, Arkansas contributes the following.
		Remember, Art, if the government decided to move the Earth into another orbit to counter global warming, just remember, the contractors that would get that job would be the lowest bidders.
unidentified		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here we go into the land of unknown unscreened phone calls.
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Ark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I'll tell you, I've been listening to what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I was involved here.
unidentified		This telephone call is coming out of Reno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And we're kind of a grassroots type city.
		We can get things done, at least on our own level here.
		But it was amazing to me, myself and three other people, through the help of a lot of work, was able to stop what they called the Honey Lake Basin Project, which was the county trying to force water out of the Honey Lake Basin, which was tainted with Agent Orange, which the government has been destroying up there in Honey Lake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Nevada, you would think, would be one state, even though we are not the most populous state by any means, nor the most heavily represented as a result, we might be a state where we could get something done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
unidentified		We are the battleborn state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		But, you know, the real problem I see, Dart, I have been, when we were doing this, we used to go to every city meeting and every county meeting, everything that was in there.
unidentified		And the only time that anybody would ever show up is if they was going to lose something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I know.
		That's right.
		When it threatens your pocketbook or your lifestyle or whatever.
		I know.
unidentified		And the sad thing of it is, if people would only realize there are so many other things out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me tell you something.
		I've got the five-minute Associated Press newscast that ran at the 10 o'clock hour.
		And you know what the lead story is?
		Now, this is the Associated Press.
		It's the hourly news drop that I get.
		And it includes all the most important news in the country, in fact, the world.
		Now, the lead story for 10 o'clock was this is ahead of all the political news, all the news about the spy plane, Japanese fishing boat, dozens injured in anti-EU clashes, and on and on, all the world news.
		Up at the top, the first, most important story is Lakers win NBA championship.
		I'm not kidding you.
unidentified		Says, well, you know, that's our mentality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it does explain some things.
		And I like sports, even though I'm not a big basketball fan.
		But I don't know about as a lead story.
		Now, I'm not in any way jumping on the Associated Press because they're good people.
		And they've fed me a lot of news over the years.
		But they're just giving people what they want.
		And there it is, The lead story ahead of all these other really important things going on in the world, the NBA Championship.
		And I like sports as well as the next person.
		In fact, I'm an NFL nut, as you know.
		But still in all, as you gather together the importance of the hour's news, the day's news, the week's news, whatever, there it is, right up top.
		I guess it doesn't require much further comment.
		Wild Carline, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Oh, I did get through.
		Yes, you have.
		Yes, you have.
		Fabulous.
		I'm a fairly new listener to your program.
		Well, better late than never, late bloomer.
		But this program, I heard the majority of Dr. Stephen Greer's program.
		And I agree.
		I mean, this is far too important to ignore.
		And we're at a point in history, a pivotal point, I believe, the classic crux of crisis and opportunity with technology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you heard Rhiannon, who worked with the project.
unidentified		I heard Rhiannon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And she works for a congressperson.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One letter.
unidentified		And I agreed with her.
		One letter.
		However, they both missed a key, a pivotal point.
		With the technology we have now with the Internet, prior to writing this letter or after writing the letter, you should implement an email campaign.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they covered that.
unidentified		Email 10 of your people on your list or however many on your email list.
		Get it out.
		Send a link to thedisclosureproject.org.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or if you can't figure out how to send a link, just Well, if you're sending the email to your friends to urge them to write, fine.
		But they did cover email.
		Email two representatives, bad idea.
		Rhiannon said it all gets deleted.
unidentified		No, what I mentioned, not the email to the congressman, but email to other people, because, you know, the old seven degrees of separation, who knows, who knows who.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
unidentified		And you never know who's going to end up with that.
		To look at it and actually be able to take that congressman out to dinner and go, hey, what's going on?
		So I think that's a pivotal point.
		A key thing we should all do is just get it out there.
		And then encourage the 10 people to send the letters and have them encourage their 10 people to send the letters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good idea.
unidentified		And if that's facts, they can just wear the facts out that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hear, here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you're dead right.
unidentified		All right.
		That's all I wanted to say.
		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir, and thank you for saying it.
		There you go.
		He's right about that.
		The way to, you know, if you get an email from a friend, you're not going to delete that, right?
		You're going to read it, and if it is sincere and it's really somebody you know, why you are likely to act.
		So it certainly is a good way to get the word around, no question about that.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It's an honor to speak to you.
		I just wanted to talk to you a little bit about what you have been talking about earlier tonight.
		Yes.
		I know you know Whitley Stryber.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whitley is a very good friend of mine, sir.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And I'd seen the movie Comedian and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I have Whitley scheduled for the first night I will be back after vacation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mike or no.
unidentified		I have a question.
		I have a few comments, but I have a question you have to ask it or answer it directly.
		But has he ever shared anything with you as far as what he thought brought on his experience?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's a very good question, sir.
		Thank you for asking.
		Whitley and I have talked hour upon hour about that.
		Many hours.
		In fact, we went on a cruise together, and we had many hours to sit down together and have a heart-to-heart.
		And I guess what I would tell you is this.
		Yes, maybe I know some things that are not yet public about Whit, but nothing that would bear on what he has told you.
		He has pretty much bared his all to you with regard to his experiences.
		And if he held anything back, it was usually so he could check the experience, have a way of verifying for himself the experience with respect to what others have told him.
		That would be about it.
		Otherwise, he's bared his heart to me.
		And to you, I might add.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		Going once.
unidentified		Hello?
		Yes?
		West of the Rockies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's right.
unidentified		Oh, you said East of the Rockies, I thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, West.
unidentified		Okay, Art.
		This is Roy.
		I'm in Pendleton, Oregon.
		The 24th of this month will be 54 years since Kenneth Arnold flew in here to our local airport.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I'm putting a book together.
		I just went public in March.
		After putting her 54 years, we had a sighting over our ranch, my family and myself.
		The rest of the family is dead.
		All the other witnesses that went public in 1947 are dead.
		So I figured it was time to go public after I found out that 11 different individuals in this community have been abducted through the years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eleven?
unidentified		Eleven.
unidentified		Four of them was our own family in August of 1947 on their way out to our ranch from Florida in the Nevada desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's very interesting, sir, that Dr. Greer, and I understand why, has chosen to take testimony from people in the military and the FAA and so forth and so on, and I understand exactly why he's done that, but not that of people who have been abducted or know about abduction or know abduction is going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, it certainly makes sense because, as you well know, abduction is probably from an earthly point of view, sort of out, you know, on the fringe of even this topic.
unidentified		Well, there's one lady, she's a grown woman now.
		She was little at the time she was abducted.
		She knew what they looked like.
		She was not zapped out, as the saying goes.
		The rest of the family was.
		And she even told about looking down through a scope of there in the bottom of the ship at their camp, where they had the Woods camp.
		And she could manipulate buttons and make it look further away or closer.
		There was other buttons that she could push would make different beams of light shoot out from the ship.
		And the Aliens were over seven feet tall, taller than her father, and he was six foot six, and they were all covered with scales.
		They had big yellow eyes.
		And I've got an artist that's going to reproduce that as much as possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're going to write a book about it all, huh?
unidentified		I've got the book just about done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you going to do?
unidentified		We've got over 30 people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you going to call it?
unidentified		Northwest History of Saucers, Aliens, and Crop Circles.
unidentified		We've even had a crop circle right behind the Penland Airport where Kenneth Arnold said in the land, and I want to get a copy of it to you as soon as I get it provided.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's number one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was going to suggest you do that when it's available and put contact information in it, and we'll bring you on.
unidentified		I've even got some of the Native Americans to come forward with their stories when I went public and I requested, and I've got them in their native costumes.
		It'll be a very colorful book.
		It's going to be darned expensive for me to print up because I know the color.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, you get a dress.
unidentified		Do you give me an address that I can mail one to?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Just listen on the air.
		It's as follows.
		Are you ready to write?
		Art Bell.
		Dasami.
		A-R-T-B-E-L-L.
		Post Office Box.
		P.O. Box 4755.
		In Perump.
		That's my little town.
unidentified		Perump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Pias and Paul.
unidentified		A-H-R-U-M-E.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perump.
		Nevada.
		And the zip code here is 89041.
		That's 89041.
		There you have it.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello?
		Going once.
		Going twice.
		Gone.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, good morning, Ann Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, sir.
unidentified		My greetings from Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hey, I was wondering if you had something in the latest Reader's Digest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		An ad in there by Toyota is bragging about the new fuel cells technology that they're coming online within the next couple of years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you're very distorting on your cellular phone, sir.
unidentified		I apologize.
unidentified		Let me just say, real quickly, I'd love to have you someone Toyota from Toyota and find out exactly what they're doing and how soon it's going to be online.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much and take care.
		May the devil damn all cell phones.
		They prevent clear communication.
		They're handy, but they prevent clear communication.
		And how can anybody fault me for being upset at this sliced and diced sound that they call a technical advance?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Mr. Bell.
unidentified		This is Rick in Lexington, Kentucky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		630 WLAP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a big one, yes.
unidentified		I have a couple, maybe three questions for you, if you'll allow me.
		Go.
		A couple weeks ago, I think on CNN's bottom line, a DJ in New Jersey was going after your record.
		He broadcast for 90 straight hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my dear sir, my record was broken many years ago.
unidentified		Is that right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Many years ago, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Longest continuous broadcast is what this man is talking about.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I never heard nothing else after the 90 hours.
		I didn't know if he got you or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sir, I was had years ago.
unidentified		Oh, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Okay, what good is it going to do us to drill in Alaska if we're going to give 90% of it to Japan?
		Well, I know it's a round-and-round cycle like you explained.
		But other than that, is there any other sense in it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		I wish that I don't properly understand how it all works.
		There are people who could try and explain it.
		But I mean, basically, look, I agree with you.
		If we drill in Alaska and the oil goes to Japan, how the hell does that help us?
unidentified		That's what I would say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		I don't either.
unidentified		Okay, concerning Jesus, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		If he was the, quote, Son of God in the Bible, why would he need a human lineage that goes back to King David, who, by the way, was nothing more than a murderer, an adulterer, and a rapist?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I absolutely don't have the answer to that one.
		I absolutely don't.
		In fact, that's a word.
		In a way, I'm very bothered by a lot of the communications I'm getting right now, and I guess I should tell you about one of them.
		You remember, I think last night and the night before, and ever since we had the debate from our two ancient text experts, one of them being an expert on the Bible code.
		Boy, boy, I have been hearing from the clergy, all kinds of clergy, mainstream clergy, and they really glommed on to this subject of the origins of the Bible and the probable inaccuracies of it, so much so that it has me very thoughtful on the matter.
		I have a number of mainstream clergy that are ready to come on and question the validity of what's written in the Bible up and down the line to an even greater extent than I may have questioned it by asking about 40 people or whatever that received the divine inspiration of God to write the Bible.
		It's bothersome to me that I have so many mainstream clergy wanting to come on the air and talk about how inaccurate they think it is.
		That really bothers me, and I'm not sure why, but I've got at least a half a dozen mainstream clergy who would like to come on the air and talk about how it roughly translating how inaccurate the Bible is.
		I kind of looked at it and I went, whoa.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Mark, another, whoops, missed you.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Yeah, how you doing, Art?
		I should call this instead a coast to coast from cell to cell.
unidentified		No doubt.
unidentified		This is payback for all the downgrading of cell phones that's coming back to haunt you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Anyway, question, have you ever got your Tool C D?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I have the Tool C D. Sure.
unidentified		Oh, it's going to off your mind for target practice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you don't like it, huh?
unidentified		Nah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was not, I didn't even know about Tool until they came out with that track that included the Area 51 caller.
		I'd never heard of Tool, which shows you how deep a cave I've been in because Tool had, I don't know, I think three platinum albums, which in the music world is really incredible, before I ever heard of them.
		And then boom, there they were.
		And I said, like an idiot, I said, whose tool?
		Man, you should have seen my email.
unidentified		Whose tool?
		Where have you been?
		Yeah, no doubt.
		I took and bought one because you guys said, or the one guy said that it was like Pink Floyd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, you don't sound like the average mainstream tool fan.
unidentified		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		I am in the oldies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm into them, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Witness the following.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 15th, 2001.
		There's a man with a gun over there telling me I got to beware.
		I think it's time we stop.
		Children, watch that sound.
		Everybody look what's going down Music This battle line's being drawn.
		I've had nothing but bad luck since the day I saw the cat at my door.
		So I came and be you, sweet lady.
		Answering in your mystical hall.
		Crystal ball on the table.
		Show them a beautiful past.
		Same cat with them evil eyes And I knew it was a spell she cast She's just a devil woman With evil on her mind Beware the devil woman She's gonna get you She's just a devil woman With evil on her mind Beware the devil woman She's gonna get you from behind Give me the ring
		on your finger Let me see the hands on your hands Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Talks.
		The night's program originally aired June 15th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		We're still talking about what Dr. Greer had to say, and that doesn't surprise me one bit.
		Pretty compelling stuff, huh?
		I'm Art Bell.
		Open Lines directly ahead.
		First time calling a line, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Yes.
		Hi, Art.
		Hi.
		I'm listening in Charleston, South Carolina.
		Well, good.
		430 a.m.
		And as usual, you're keeping me up much later than I ought to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is late in Charleston, yes.
unidentified		It sure is.
		Well, I had a question, and I don't think it was addressed while Dr. Greer was on with you.
		What I really want to raise is a concern of mine regarding the whole matter of disclosure.
		Isn't it obvious that if this technology, this advanced extraterrestrial technology, exists, and it's intrinsically tied with our military, that it is the crown jewels of our defense?
		And if the world situation is close to what your guest was illustrating last evening, i.e.
		our military opposition throughout the world, specifically the former, in quote, Soviet Union, being much more ready to engage in World War III than we are, their number of nuclear weapons and their missile defense shield and so on.
		Isn't it in our best interest that if we do have some sort of advanced technology, that it remains secret?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That we keep it to ourselves?
unidentified		That at least it doesn't go to our enemies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a pretty interesting question, but I think the answer to it is, and I think the doctor gave the answer to it, if there is a threat to our continued existence, and I believe that to be the case, I told the doctor, it's like watching a train heading for another train, you know, head-on.
		It is.
		If the threat is of that magnitude, then what are we going to do?
		Take the secret to our collective graves?
unidentified		That's a good point.
		That's a good point.
		But I just get the feeling that I love to watch shows like on the Learning Channel and stuff and watch all of the stuff about our advanced technology, the stealth fighter, and so on.
		And one of the things that always comes up is that there's some government official sitting there and he says, you know, we're always about 50 years ahead of anything you can imagine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so the stealth technology is now old stuff.
unidentified		Right.
		And so I don't think it's ever possible for us to imagine that if we have extraterrestrial technology, that it will ever be obsolete.
		And so therefore, it seems possible to me that it should never be disclosed just as a matter of course of national security.
		I mean, obviously some of the applications that are peaceable applications, I'm all for allowing everybody to have access to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, we can national security ourselves to death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if our ecology is really as fragile as it would seem right now with the changes we're going through, and now is not the time, then when is.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate your call, sir.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		How are you this evening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am just fine.
unidentified		You sound fantastic.
		Thank you.
		And I really loved hearing from Steven.
		I've been really wondering what's going on with him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now you know.
unidentified		Yeah.
		it's a great report.
		This is Joy in the Santa Cruz Mountains.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I used to work for a lot of lobby groups.
unidentified		I was an environmentalist and we worked on the Hill a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I wanted to give some tips to everybody about how to write a letter to a senator or a congressperson.
		First of all, before you use the form letter, which is a good form letter, it's an excellent one, that's on Stephen Greer's site, I would suggest that you put a little bit about yourself, where you live, and comments about what you think about their performance, and don't give them a hard time.
		That's really important because you want to get their attention, and you don't want to make them feel uncomfortable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, massage them a little.
unidentified		Or suck up, whatever you want to call it.
unidentified		Suck up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, suck up.
		I suppose that makes sense.
		That's liable to get their attention.
		Everybody likes to think, hmm, they think I'm doing a good job.
		Now, what is it they're concerned about?
unidentified		Right, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
unidentified		And what I'm doing is I'm writing a letter to my senator, both of my senators.
		I'm in California.
		And so I'm sending it to Senator Boxer and Senator Feinstein.
		And the end paragraph that I have for Senator Boxer, after I quote the form letter, I say, look, I'm quoting the form letter because I think it's very well worded, and I really can't state it any better than it's already stated.
		But then I'm putting comments after that.
		And then after that, I'm saying, I know there is a problem with the giggle factor on one level, and on the other hand, that you may be delving into things that may make your position uncomfortable.
		But I didn't hire you to be comfortable.
		I hired you to represent my interest in the interests of not just Californians, but all Americans.
		If it gets uncomfortable, then that probably means you are performing your job with excellence, which I know, considering your record, you have no fear of doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's excellent.
		I mean, that's absolutely excellent.
		And that could be a model and only a model for what everybody else should really do.
		That's fine.
		I mean, I've seen the form letter, too, and it's excellent.
		But I think your idea of putting comments in there will cinch it, and that's bound to get through.
unidentified		Well, if you like, I'll send you a copy of what I wrote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd love it.
unidentified		And you can put it up on the website as an example if you like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Love to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Send it along.
unidentified		I'll do that.
		And Art, we missed you so much.
		It's so good to have you back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		Take care.
		That's it.
		She's got it.
		Once again, if you want to know who your representative is, easy way to find out.
		Telephone number, and you give them the zip code.
		They give you the name and address.
		And maybe this is one time you really should just say, oh, what the hell?
		I'm going to write a letter.
		I'm really going to do it.
		Let's see what happens.
		If everybody listening to me did that, it would happen.
		There are millions of you.
		I try not to think about that.
		It makes me.
		It gives me the nervous factor, so I rarely think about it.
		But there are millions of you out there.
		And if you just said, ah, you know, what the hell, I'm really going to try this.
		that's what it takes it takes a massive All right.
		What the heck?
		Let's give it a try.
		All you've got to do is call this number, area code 202-224-3121.
		If you don't know who your representative is, they will tell you.
		202-224-3121 and write that letter.
		And if enough of you did that, we'd be there.
		It would be over.
		I mean, that would be so much pressure.
		Millions of letters would be so much pressure.
unidentified		It would be over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There would be hearings, open hearings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to yell at us a little bit.
		You're not too strong.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Yeah, okay.
		I just wanted to bring up a couple of things here.
		And I'm going to probably depress a lot of people here, but I'm going to say it anyway.
		I go back probably like 1956 as far as anything active in studying UFOs, so it's been a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And, you know, it seems like I've been through the gamut of the whole thing all the way back from then.
		It's almost like when you get to the top of the hill, you know, you think that that's the end of the road and there's always another road ahead.
		You know, I wish him a lot of luck in what he's doing and stuff like that.
		But a little bit of an analysis here.
		This is the questions that I have.
		As far as the impression that he gave me and gave the audience is that the United States is the one who has the black projects, which we do, and there's probably a lot of stuff that's covered up.
		But this is a global thing.
		It's something that's happening around the world and not just the United States.
		So he's not controlling the whole situation here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Agreed.
unidentified		Also, this whole thing with the phenomena of the kidnappings and the abductions and the implants, you know, that shows that the control, the total control is not us, whether it's the United States or anybody, any governments in the world.
		The control is them, or whatever this phenomena is.
		I think it's up to them to let us know that they want contact, which hasn't been done.
		Why?
		I have no idea.
		So what is the cover-up, really?
		Is it the governments of the world?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I asked maybe you can try and answer a question, as long as you've been doing this, that I asked Dr. Greer.
		And that was, is there any reason that you can imagine would be so profound that a government agent or the president himself could lay out for you that would cause you to say, well, you know what?
		You're right.
		If this was revealed, the world would come to a screeching halt and end.
		Is there anything you can think of that would be so profound that it would have you agreeing, yes, we've got to keep this secret?
		Oh, God.
unidentified		No, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got to keep it secret.
unidentified		No.
		I'd like to see it open more.
		As much as that we know, I think everything should be revealed so that we could take whatever kind of information that we could have and use it.
		Obviously, they've given us the craft, supposedly whatever we have, down craft or whatever, because they could have picked the stuff up, picked up the debris if they wanted.
		It's almost like they left it there on purpose.
		I'm for disclosure.
		I mean, don't get me wrong, but I still say that the phenomena is up to whatever's out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whoever they are.
		All right.
		I get what you're saying.
		And that it's not our choice to make.
		And I guess he's suggesting that, yes, our government knows, yes, our government is in possession of artifacts and maybe even beings, but that it's not our choice to make.
		That's an interesting train of thought, isn't it?
		That it's not our choice to make.
		I don't think I feel that.
		You know, I'm just a willful old American, but I think it is our choice to make.
		Or at least we're going to make a strong run at it here.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		I would like to tell you about an incident that happened about a year and a half ago where my family and I witnessed UFO here in Syria Vista, Arizona.
		What did you see?
		We saw a triangular-shaped object with starlight stealthing capability making an approach to an Army airfield.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, when you say that, and you looked up at the triangle, what could you see?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said stealth.
unidentified		could you see anything apparently through it was it And pardon me, you could see.
		Initially, it looked like three helicopters coming out in the distance with starlight behind them.
		And then my brain did a 180.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you realized it.
unidentified		And I could see the outline of it.
unidentified		And also, I've seen similar films taken of similar craft over Belgium and Europe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a lot of triangle craft here as well.
unidentified		With the orange disc underneath, and later you could barely see that circular orange glow in the center.
		What amazed me was it got low enough, we rolled down the windows in the car we were in, we could not hear it, and it was flying well below stall speed.
		If an object that large right out on the air, right out of the air onto the houses below it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		The one, sir, that passed me and my wife as we stood on the road about a quarter mile from here was not flying.
		If it was doing 30 miles an hour, I would be quite surprised.
		And below stall speed, ha ha ha ha ha ha.
		Way below.
		The object we saw was the only proper way to describe it was it was floating.
		It was not flying.
		There is no way the object my wife and I saw it was not flying.
		I guarantee you it was not flying.
		It was floating, as in defying gravity or as in lighter-than-air aircraft.
		But it was a perfect triangle.
		It looked massive.
		When it came by, the stars and the moon went away.
		It was that close, and it simply floated above our heads.
		We stood and watched it float out across the valley.
		I mean, that's all there is to it.
		Do I think it was a lighter-than-air aircraft?
		No, I don't.
		I certainly don't.
		I think it was an aircraft, and let me withdraw that term.
		Not an aircraft.
		It was a craft that was defying gravity, in my opinion.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Doing it right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I am in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, yell at me a little.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not too loud.
unidentified		Is that better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Much better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		I'm in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
		I was listening to your radio here on the Stream Internet.
		Yes, sir.
		I'd like to share something with you that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are, by the way, broadcast live in Tulsa now.
unidentified		I know, but our building, I work for WorldCom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		And our building is hardened, so you can't get radio signals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hardened building.
unidentified		We've got a lot of sensitive electronic equipment in here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Understand.
unidentified		So they put mesh in, so you can't really get radio signals inside.
		Wow.
		But when I was 16, we went to a local lake.
		I'm from Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Went to a local lake, and some of my friends were out on a boat, and it was about 9 o'clock at night, and we saw what looked like a helicopter off in the distance.
		It kind of hovered around there.
		We didn't really think a whole lot about it until it started zigzagging, bouncing around in the sky.
		We started watching it, and it shot directly over top of us.
		I don't know how fast it was going, but it was going fast.
		Maybe 50 to 100 feet above us.
		There was no sound at all.
		There was no wind off of it.
		It was very odd, to say the least.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what do you think you saw?
unidentified		I don't know.
		I do think that there are these UFOs that we see are probably, at least to a certain degree, government test craft, but I think that they're probably based on recovered UFO technology.
		Robert Hoagland, the gentleman you've had on your show several times, I go to his website, or I'm sorry, Richard Hoagland.
		I go to his website, the Enterprise Mission, and I have read some of the stuff that he's proposed out there about hyperdimensional physics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He'll be on the air Wednesday.
		I'm going to ask you the same question.
		What secret do you think could be profound enough to what reason could there be profound enough to keep the secret?
unidentified		The only thing that I can think of is religion.
		People are very set in their beliefs.
		And whether that be a belief in science or a belief in higher power, Christianity or Buddha or Muslims, what have you, they're very set in their beliefs, and most people don't like to have those beliefs challenged.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, they don't.
unidentified		And I think that the major problem that you would face is if we did meet an extraterrestrial intelligence, that it would probably polarize the population into two camps.
		One of which was, you know, hey, how are you doing?
		And the other would be a lot of fanatics that would decide that they were the work of Satan and would probably try to kill them.
		It would be a bad thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm afraid that I also feel roughly that same way.
		Now, of course, it may depend on who you come in contact with, but doing this program, I talk to a lot of fundamentalists, and there are a lot of fundamentalists out there.
		These are not bad people.
		These are very fervent believers.
		They're not bad people.
		They just believe very strongly that any such thing as you have described would indeed be demonic.
		That would be their explanation for it.
		To them, it would be demonic.
		And their first impulse with regard to demonic things would be to shoot first and ask questions much, much later.
unidentified		Yeah, I agree with you.
		I believe that that's the mentality.
		I think that a lot of the Christian and other religious texts tend to promote a, I don't know what you would call it, a air of superiority as far as human beings go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't fault them, but I do note that it is true, sir.
		I've got a scoot.
		We're at a break point here, but again, you're dead right.
		I appreciate your call.
unidentified		Thanks for having me on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		But he's right, you know.
		Absolutely right.
unidentified		Ain't got no trouble in my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not me.
unidentified		No foolish dream to make me cry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We will be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		The night featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 15, 2001.
		The night featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June
		15, 2001.
		The night featuring a replay of Coast AM from June 15, 2001.
		You keep on showing her gold, don't she?
		Trying harder to be creative, but forget to be creative.
		What you have, she must use your smile.
		For his misfortune to care never coming near what you want me to say, or did you realize he never really was you in his life as she
		rises to her following.
		Everybody else fortunately knows, who's watching my girl, but who believes, he sees, no wise man has a power.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 15th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, here's an interesting little item for you.
		This is a response from President Clinton, former President Bill Clinton, to somebody who wrote to him about UFOs.
		And the response is as follows.
		Dear Michael, it's on a letterhead here.
		Dear Michael, thank you for voicing your opinion on UFOs.
		A Clinton-Gore administration, this is obviously prior to their election, a Clinton-Gore administration will seek to meet the needs of the U.S. and other nations while moving toward our long-term space objectives, including human exploration of the solar system.
		We will also stress efforts to learn about other planets, which improves our understanding of our own world and stimulates advances in computers, sensors, image processing, and communications.
		Sincerely, Bill Clinton.
		his question now was about you Back now to open lines and away we go.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, sir.
		I really have no problem believing that probably 90% of the UFOs that America sees are government-based and have a foot based in actual alien technology.
		That is really not.
		That is not too far from the truth, I'm sure you're sure or you know with friends of of friends no confirmed proof but when you look at the reality of the retired SR-71 we all know the Aurora Project's online everybody else doesn't
		understand what this plane can do.
		I'm told that Mont 12 is not beyond the realm of believability, maneuverability is...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what's your bottom line?
unidentified		Well, just that 90% of what America sees are government-based UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, but see, that leaves 10%.
		And it's the 10% you've got to deal with.
		And you know what?
		I don't have a hard time thinking that.
		That 90% of what we see probably comes from our own experimental programs.
		But that leaves 10%.
		And that also begs the question of what kind of technology and where did the technology come from that the 90% are using?
		Wild Card line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, Tom from Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Tom.
unidentified		Yeah, I think I had a couple questions if I have time for the last couple callers.
		Sure.
		Particularly the last one, didn't he say 90% came?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said 90% in his opinion are our own aircraft.
unidentified		Yes, but from technologies came from extraterrestrials?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mentioned that, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, okay, no problem.
		But, yes, the woman calling from California wouldn't...
		I know there was another gentleman that had talked about us having to lose something.
		I mean, we're talking about these letters that we have to write to the congressmen and senators.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't have to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're being asked.
unidentified		Well, we're being asked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you believe that the argument is a sound argument and that it's important for us, then I would think open congressional hearings would not be outrageous to ask for.
unidentified		No, exactly.
		But the people in California would be most advantageous to all of us, naturally, but mostly in California.
		That's where they are losing money out of their pockets with this...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Energy problem.
unidentified		Energy problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
unidentified		Wouldn't it be more...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, that's a really good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody earlier said you've got to appeal to people's pocketbooks.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if there is an energy source that will get our butts out of this, and surely if they are here and they have drive systems as described or anything close to them, then the energy problem would more or less disappear.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is a pocketbook issue.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And it wouldn't be our best interest California being only one state, but again, in response to the one...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, but what a state.
		California...
		CNN was running a story today indicating California has now passed the economy of France.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And is the fifth largest economy all by itself in the world.
unidentified		And probably getting most of the press.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true.
unidentified		Exactly.
		If there's someone able to do it, wouldn't it be the Californians?
		I hope that lady's listening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I mean, if she appeals even to Davis, they've got to be able to get better action than what we're able to in listening to that Ohio State.
unidentified		how can I say it the the the woman the congressman was it her secretary or whoever who got one letter the congressional aide yes yeah with all the appeals that Dr. Greer has made but and back to the the individual that said don't we want to keep it secret don't we want to keep this away from the other world as far as defense is concerned yes maybe we don't want to have the I think the theory of this whole disclosure project is once that technology
art bell ▲ ● ▼		is out in the open that's the time for world peace there would be no reason for wars well i i i i probably agree with that comes on the nature of disclosure i suppose well get a weapon tree we all would have got uh...
		everyone had a defense for whatever they could throw at us i think the question is are our secrets specifically these secrets more important than people and more important than our constitution i agree with you but the people that are behind these black projects it's money in their pocket and to them yes it is more important than us you razor crushingly good point i appreciate the call sir thank you yes
		he's right isn't he the only thing that could be personally more powerful uh...
		to people involved in this would be money in their pockets would the constitution and the people be less important than somebody who would be receiving personal monies or would be profiting from the continuance of the secret sadly the answer to that is uh...
		probably help used to the rockies you're on the air yes hello art hi this is uh...
unidentified		keith from hamilton ontario hello keith um you've done some shows recently on god i have yes uh...
		okay like you on you know i'm not a christian but most times i'd say i believe in god uh...
		i've talked to you about a couple of times about my uh constant everyday bad luck and once with Edwin Paglini as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I remember you, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, I also talked to you about my Truth or Trust, where I won 250,000 locked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And if that could happen to anyone, it'd be me.
		Anyways, my life is just everything I do day by day, constant lose, lose.
		My question for you, do I have the right to blame God or in an opposite sense?
		And I know that Christians would probably hate it, but are the people with this such luck possibly the quote-unquote chosen ones maybe being tested for beliefs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you see, I don't think God micromanages.
		And ultimately, I could be really wrong about that.
		But if he did, then what use free will, right?
		So I don't think, to answer your question, that God micromanages, and therefore, I don't think you ought to blame God.
		You may be in search of some reason that goes beyond the norm for the losing situation that you find yourself in all the time.
		I can understand that.
		But I don't think that I would blame God.
		Here's a big, bold fast last sent to me.
		And I mentioned a little while ago that I was a bit disturbed at the fact that I had a lot of mainstream clergy coming forth wanting to come on the show, and I'll probably have them on who are saying there's great reason to question what's written in the Bible.
		Greater reason than was revealed on the show the other night or that I drew from the conversation we had.
		And in big bold print, it says, Art, ignore my name for now.
		I'm shocked that a non-Catholic person such as yourself would be bothered, that finally some clergymen are waking up to begin questioning the Bible.
		You should be content.
		No, I'm not content.
		You don't understand.
		Even though I describe myself as agnostic and somebody who can't leave things until he can put his hand on them, that's me all right.
		I'm not at all comforted or pleased in any way with the prospect that mainstream clergy are beginning to question things.
		not at all in fact it sort of undermines I want to believe.
		I'm simply hobbled a little bit by my own.
		What's the right word?
		Not my ego.
		I don't think that gets in the way.
		I think my own eternally, frustratingly questioning mind gets in the way.
		And I've just, you know, I'm hard-lined enough that I've got to be able to see something for myself.
		I've seen a UFO.
		I've seen something defy gravity and pass right over my head.
		God, I have not seen.
		So I'm not at all pleased by it.
		I will certainly listen to it.
		These gentlemen are distinguished gentlemen in the clergy who wish to speak.
		I'll listen to it, but I think I'll probably be bothered by it.
		I don't know if that tells you anything.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		I had a couple things I wanted to comment on.
		Sure.
		About 18 years ago, I was living in California.
		I was actually staying on a place that was very secluded on the North Fork of the American River.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I definitely saw something that would have defied imagination at that time.
		I knew what I was seeing.
		It literally lit the sky up.
		There was no moon.
		I was actually in a place that was very, very secluded.
		The closest town was 15 miles away.
		It was a little town called Georgetown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		You're familiar with the area there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Well, I actually walked outside to go use the facilities, you might say.
		And we were right on the river.
		There was like 12 other people with me.
		And I saw the sky actually get lit up across the other side of the mountain where I could see the outline of the trees.
		And I was thinking to myself, well, this is strange.
		I know there's no moon tonight.
		And as I was watching, it got brighter and brighter and brighter.
		And I was yelling for everybody to come out because I definitely wanted everybody to see this.
		And as we watched, literally could not make a sound.
		I was just in shock.
		You had described a ship or an object going overhead with no sound.
		That's exactly what I saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not even a whisper.
unidentified		Nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		When I was there, it was so quiet, hon, you could hear crickets a quarter of a mile away.
		We're out here in the middle of the desert.
		I mean, it was dead quiet.
		So quiet you can hear the hum in your own ears.
unidentified		That's exactly it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of quiet.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		And well, actually, the crickets even stopped chirping and everything.
		Everything was dead silent.
		It floated.
		It literally looked like it floated right over the top of the cabin that I was staying in.
		It was the height of a telephone pole away from us.
		There was no mistaking what this was.
		It covered the whole sky.
		I couldn't see stars.
		I couldn't see anything.
		It went over to the other side of the mountain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you able to discern a shape?
unidentified		Yes.
		Yes.
		Before it went overhead and it covered the sky, it looked like the traditional saucer shape we've been seeing for years, where it just kind of is thicker in the center and kind of drifts down on the sides.
		I'm shaking right now just thinking about it.
		It was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen, if not the most.
		I know.
		I will never forget it.
		I'm actually hoping maybe there's some people out there that were with me at this time.
		It was absolutely incredible.
		And I actually do, I wanted to mention I know personally a very, very good friend of mine who was back in D.C. just a couple weeks ago who was speaking with the Congress people.
		And he's been writing to the senators and everything.
		And they told him they didn't know what to do with all this information they gave him with Dr. Greer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		The only thing that's going to move it now, they're correct, is a massive letter-writing campaign.
		And I mean really, really massive.
		Everybody listening tonight has got to make up their mind that they're not going to sit this one out.
		They're actually going to write a letter.
unidentified		Well, it's about time.
		The government's been lying to us for years.
		I mean, geez.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
unidentified		Total deception.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as the good doctor pointed out, Hazel O'Leary admitted poisoning people with radiation.
		And as he pointed out, we were aghast, but we digested it, we lived through it, and now we've moved on.
		The only difference between that example, the parallel that he drew, and what's going on right now is that this secret may still have reason to be kept, Contemporary reason to be kept versus what happened long enough ago that you could say, well, you know, it was a long time ago, and boy, we were bad, weren't we?
		I mean, we mistreated the Native Americans a long time ago, and that was really bad.
		And somehow we digest it, we make it part of almost part of history.
unidentified		Yes, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then forget it.
unidentified		I myself believe that everything should be open.
unidentified		I'm tired of being lied to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But government, like any large bureaucracy and more than most, thrives and lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Its lifeblood is secrecy.
unidentified		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All that black budget money moving around, it's secrecy.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we're fighting the very nature of the beast we've created.
unidentified		Good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call.
		Thank you.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, I. Hello.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Massachusetts, Boston, WRKO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Well, I've been listening.
		I have a theory or whatever.
		I think that the only reason why people don't know about UFOs is, I mean, I've thought about it and thought about it.
		I don't think it's the government that doesn't want to tell us.
		I think it's the UFO people that don't want to tell us because...
		Do what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you mean by that researchers like Dr. Greer?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		Well, no, I just think that the aliens.
		Yes.
		Because let's face it, they obviously have more power than we do.
		Maybe they told, you know, maybe they have spoken with the government.
		Maybe the government's afraid of them because if they want to be known, I think they can be known.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are the second person who said that, and I think it carries some weight.
		I think you're right.
		That might be one explanation.
		They don't want it known yet.
unidentified		And they want to do what they want to do until they're ready to let us know that they're here.
unidentified		I mean, because so many people don't believe in it, and I think they want to keep it that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder what their reasoning is.
unidentified		Well, I think they want to do what they want.
		They have their own reasons to do what they want with us, and once they're done doing whatever they do with us, and whenever they have enough, you know, people, or maybe they're...
		I've been thinking of this for so long that it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about this one?
		Maybe they're observing us.
		And certainly the way we see them would indicate they are indeed observing us because they have not yet come down and said, glad to meet you.
		So they're probably watching us since we have all these sightings.
		If they're watching us, then perhaps they're saying to themselves, well, look at Earth.
		God, what a mess.
		Now, are they really going to put weapons in space?
		You see, while we're down here and we're in low Earth orbit, not much problem, right?
		But if we begin to put weapons in space, well, that might be a decision point for them.
		And if they have a little button they can push when they decide that we're not worthy to join in in the Galactic Federation, well...
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 15, 2001.
		Music
		I'm playing that you have to meet anywhere.
		And reason ain't Well, his lady explained Though I smiled, the tears inside were burning I wished him luck and then he said goodbye He was gone, but still his words kept returning What else was there for me to do with crying?
		Would you believe That yesterday This girl was in my arms and swore to me She'd be mine eternally And reason ain't The lady explained Though I
		smiled, the tears inside were burning I wished him luck and then he said goodbye He was gone, but still You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AN from June 15th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This song is just so haunting to me.
		Always has been.
		Unlike any other Presley song ever sung, I don't know.
		There's just something about it.
		It's definitely different.
		Anyway, we're in open lines for the remainder of the program tonight.
		anything you've got is very good Well, I'll write a letter.
		I have signed affidavits.
		I've done all sorts of things for court cases with regard to this sort of thing, but I will definitely write a letter, and I hope you will too.
		If you want to get hold of your local representative, there's a phone number you can call if you don't have the address, and you probably don't.
		Then there's a phone number you can call.
		What's it going to cost you?
		A few seconds phone call and then a little money to send the letter.
		Try and personalize it if you can.
		We want open investigator, you know, a good open congressional hearing on the matter.
		It's area code 202-224-3121.
		They will tell you who to write to and what the address is.
		That's area code 202-224-3121.
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
unidentified		Yes, I'm from Southern California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I was calling in regards to your tape broadcast on Monday about time travel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Dr. Anderson, yes.
unidentified		Yes, and I had some theories on that because my father and I, he was involved with Project Blue Book, and he was a black op in the 50s.
		And he and I were involved in an incident that an alien craft had actually crashed.
		And I saw the craft, and so did my father.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You saw the craft?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where was this?
unidentified		It was in New Mexico.
		It's not documented, but it was actually in New Mexico.
		He was involved there.
		And they took the craft up to actually to Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alaska?
unidentified		For obvious reasons, because they were concerned, I guess, so far as contamination or bacteria or whatever.
		But at that point, the craft did open, and I did, in fact, see the people.
		And their point was that they were mostly concerned in talking to not necessarily adults, but younger children, because they felt that as we grew older, we became more closed-minded.
		And so they actually, I spoke to them and asked various questions.
		And I guess I answered the right questions because they continued to talk.
		And some of the questions, like for instance, they asked us what was the most that your civilization could learn?
		And obvious question was, what was before or after the craft landed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how old were you at the time?
unidentified		About 10.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		10.
unidentified		And they had very interesting thoughts, which was kind of strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty profound questions to ask of a 10-year-old.
unidentified		Well, see, their thought was that once you start to get old, you get closed-minded.
unidentified		You start to bottle up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do, but on the other hand, how would a ten-year-old answer a question like that?
unidentified		You know, I really don't know, but it just became so overly apparent because at the time I looked outside and saw our sagging airplanes, a dripping motor oil, I thought, well, question's obvious.
		If it's before, I wouldn't be able to answer the question.
		But after, with them there, then we would obviously know more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old are you now?
unidentified		I'm 50.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So your mind managed to stay open then, huh?
unidentified		And on a different note, here about a year and a half ago, I just simply got on the Internet.
unidentified		And are you, I'm sure you're familiar with Stanton Friedman?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard of him, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		Well, I typed three simple, basic answers on the Internet and told my wife, well, don't, you know, send it to him.
		Well, she inadvertently sent it to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Inadvertently?
unidentified		Yeah, well, she sent it with her mail, and lo and behold, it got sent to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what happened?
unidentified		Well, within about two hours, if I'm not mistaken, he responded back, and we both just looked at each other like, oh, my goodness, you know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's Stanton.
		He's a very big, inquiring mind.
		I know Stanton very well, actually.
		And he would indeed respond to any sort of mail that had that kind of information in it.
		No question about it.
		Wild Guard Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art Bell.
		Yes.
		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
unidentified		To bad.
		My name is Matt.
		Calling from Milwaukee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Wisconsin.
		And kind of a newcomer to your show.
		Just listen to it.
		I just started working the night shift, and the guys here turn your radio on all night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The night shift is a better place to be.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And yeah, just a great show.
		Love some of the stories that people say.
		Love to believe they're all true, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're not.
		But obviously, you've got to pick and choose in your own mind what you think is true.
		If only 10% of what you hear is true, you know, as we were saying earlier with respect to the number of craft that might be alien, that's still a pretty big story, eh?
unidentified		Hell yeah.
unidentified		I mean, they can't all be wrong, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		So anyway, I just wanted to share a little story that I had.
		I live in like a just a rural neighborhood, and we've got this real big park outside.
		It's a real open field, like basketball courts and baseball time is and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And one night my mom calls me out there, and I come out to the porch.
		She's like, look at those lights out there.
		And we looked, and I don't know, it was pretty far off, but coming directly at us, there were like three lights, just regular white lights that were equal distance between each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		but too far to be like part of one craft you know were they were they uh...
		parallel to each other or in some sort of okay But like I said, they were too far apart from each other to be like an airplane.
		And we're looking at them and we're like, oh, that's kind of cool.
		We're just watching them.
		And they keep getting closer to the house.
		They're not coming down, but they are very low to the ground.
		And they're coming at us from over the park.
		And we're watching them and we're trying to figure out what they are.
		Couldn't figure it out, but they were really low.
		And there was no sound.
		So we're kind of goofing around, just joking around.
		Then they start getting really close.
		And now the little twinge of thought gets in your mind, like, hey, what if this is really something?
		So we're watching them, we're watching them.
		We got the binoculars out.
		And we looked at them, and I don't know, they were really weird.
		They looked like military planes.
		I mean, nothing real science fiction like triangles or anything, but like regular, I don't know, almost like big bomber type planes.
		Really, really kind of creepy.
		I mean, you could not hear them.
		They were so low that you should have been able to hear something, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, absolutely.
unidentified		Yeah, but they kept on coming and we're just like, wow, there was no sound.
		Like I said, it was kind of scary because it's just a regular neighborhood, you know, and there's no airbase or anything around us or anything.
		And we're just wondering, like, wow, what are these things?
		And why are they flying over here?
		And they just went by, you know, and I just saw them.
		And it was kind of creepy.
		I just, it's pretty, it was just kind of an interesting thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, welcome to the world of the unexplained.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What can I say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		All right, so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Well, welcome.
		Do you know that the majority of Americans have seen something that they cannot explain?
		And yes, 90% of it probably, ultimately, could be explained away.
		But it's just that nagging 10%.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		A couple, I think it was last week, you had a guest on talking about the face on Mars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Richard Hoagland.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was as we received the new photographs from Mr. Malin.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Just wanted to say that NASA, like the government, has a nasty tendency of giving out disinformation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not our NASA.
unidentified		And I was also wondering, I noticed at your website today, you have something on the bell witch there.
		Uh-huh.
		No offense.
		Any relation?
		I mean, not the spirit herself, but are you related to the family?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm related to a bell witch.
unidentified		not...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no relation to the bell witch that you're talking about.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, all right.
unidentified		This is Alan Albuquerque.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I was thinking writing to Congressman, if we could get just one congressman to introduce a bill that sort of like releases anyone from a secrecy oath involving UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that would be very important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I think that if they were going to organize congressional hearings, there would have to be a general amnesty and protection for anybody coming forward.
unidentified		Right.
		Also, I think a lot of congressmen might be worried about it.
		Our congressman, Steve Schiff, started asking questions about UFOs and for files.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm very well aware.
unidentified		And a little spot on his ear come up, and the best health care available to a U.S. congressman, which has got to be the best in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, you're not the only one to say this.
unidentified		Within a year and a half, the guy died from a little spot on his ear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		And what he began, you know, resulted in the illegal destruction of documents.
		And we still don't have the person's name or any prosecution underway for who did that.
		It's just like a black hole.
unidentified		Right.
		And another thing they need to make it illegal to keep those secrets.
		And then once see if the Coin Chiefs of Staffordshire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But see, the problem, sir, is that they thrive on those secrets.
		The secrets are what feed their children.
		The black ops programs that disperse more money than you can even imagine in your wildest dreams.
unidentified		And now you can imagine the 100 or so people, and they wake up in the middle of the night thinking, you know, I'm in a pretty elect group that have actually seen the files.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I mean, you're absolutely right.
unidentified		Imagine being one of those 100 people that have seen the file.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
		I mean, there's a camaraderie of secrecy, and there's money involved, and there are all the things in life that motivate you, literally, involved in keeping this secret.
		So this is not going to be an easy can to pry open.
		Not by a country mile.
		Not at all easy.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Eric.
		Jonathan Tucson.
		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have hum on your audio.
unidentified		Pardon me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have hum on your audio.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't know why it's doing it.
		It just started.
		Well, anyway, just had a couple things I wanted to mention to you.
		One, regards to the show, I wondered if there's any way you could get a counter going on your site to find out how many people actually did write the letters where they could report to you, much like you did with the SETI thing.
		We kind of had an idea how many people signed up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, unfortunately, we have a counter, which presently, by the way, says 73,763,302.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		those are the number of people that visit the site but i don't know how you would record i mean letter writing You know, it's a different thing.
unidentified		Okay, and the other thing, you had a former caller talking about the human condition, and it must be historically challenged.
		It's really no different now than at any point when you think about it in terms of percentages.
		Percentages of misery equals percentage of luxury.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They used to keep the misery index, remember that?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Harder years.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we ought to start that up again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder how the misery index would be today.
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
unidentified		A lot of people in our country, I think, think they're miserable or are because they have to work so hard for the unattainable goal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yep, maybe you're right.
		It'd be fun to have another misery index.
		How miserable are you?
		I can't remember exactly how they measured misery.
		Was it on a one to ten scale?
		I can't remember.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Good morning, Archie.
		Good morning.
		Jim Aurora, Illinois?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		In reference to a discovery off the coast of Cuba?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Okay, the psychic Arthur Ford, who was a disciple of Casey, in the books that were written about him, he said that Atlantis was located off the coast of Cuba.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, there are many who believe that Cuba represents sort of one side of where Atlantis is said to be or thought to have been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so it's well within the area, I think, broadly thought by many people of where Atlantis might be.
unidentified		You know, another thing about Arthur Ford is that, like, I've been listening to your program for a number of years, and I've never heard anybody call in about him or talk about him much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's one other thing I want to add.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that is, we now know that this lost city is under Cuban territorial waters.
		I'm talking about 12-mile waters.
		Now, it would make sense, I mean, side-scan sonar is relatively new.
		And if it's in Cuban waters, then the only people that would know it's there, other than this brand new research, by somebody who's got an inn in Cuba and can, you know, troll those waters looking for something like this, but they'd be the only ones because that kind of research has not been allowed around Cuba until now.
		Right?
unidentified		Right?
unidentified		It was the Russian that originally uncovered it, though, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was Mazelitsky.
unidentified		Yeah, Mazelitsky, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
unidentified		Okay.
		Can I get back to Arthur Ford for just a moment?
		Yes.
		Okay.
		And the books that he wrote or that were written about him in the early 70s, you know, he always stuck with me, all right, and the things that he supposedly had said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		In two ways.
		Number one was that he went into a great extent about the afterlife.
		And after I read those books, is that I had always felt good, or at least they had a very positive feeling about the other side after reading what he had to say about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I always thought that Jez was very worthwhile.
unidentified		And everything that I've heard on the program, like over the last couple of years, has paralleled things that he said like 20, 30 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure that people have probably thought these things or tended toward thinking there's an afterlife and that it's a pretty good place for the most part and hoped that as part of the human condition, we are, in a sense, wired to believe and wired to worship.
		I believe that.
		I think Matthew Alper is really on something.
		That doesn't mean that what we are worshiping is not real.
		That does not mean there is not a creator.
		But I do think we're pretty much wired.
		You know, he's on to something there.
		I've always thought that.
		We're pretty much wired to believe.
		And that's okay.
		Again, that doesn't mean that it's not real.
		It just means that we have a natural need to believe that we're not just here, again, using the phrase trolling about on Earth for a short period of time and then blink, away we go, and that's all there is to it.
		Just doesn't seem reasonable, does it?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		William?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, William.
unidentified		and calling you from high atop the crest of the continental divide well that puts you in an area where Yes.
unidentified		And I'm proud to say that I get you with the Sea Crane Radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I listen to you from St. Paul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a kick-butt radio, isn't it?
unidentified		Oh, it's terrific.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		I get you from St. Paul, Albuquerque, Denver, Williamsburg, L.A., San Diego.
		Really?
		All over the whole western United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about that?
unidentified		Now, of course, I have to jump around once in a while because the atmosphere changes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it does.
		But we are indeed in the air everywhere.
		And if you've got a radio like that one, you'll hear us all over the place.
unidentified		Well, I've counted 22 stations on the dial where I get you who you are popular.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think somebody else out there do that too.
		We'll have a contest.
		See who can hear the most stations.
		You're all bound to an absolute honest response.
		How's that?
unidentified		Well, that's my honest response so far.
unidentified		It sounds like a good idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many again?
unidentified		22.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		22.
		All right.
		You now have the record.
unidentified		Oh.
		Well, I was calling in on this bit more serious matter.
		I see we've got about two minutes left.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little less, actually.
unidentified		Okay.
		About the government secrecy, and I really wanted to re-underscore the importance of everybody writing in.
		You bet.
		And I'm taking some more action on my own part that I wanted to tell about.
		I'm starting a school for moral development, character development.
		But I feel that the national problem on a whole is in the fact that we have so much degraded and gone downhill.
		And the only person anybody can work on is themselves.
		I'm inviting people to consider that in my website school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's a website school.
unidentified		A website school.
unidentified		So anybody can tell me about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm not going to, unfortunately, be able to let you give out the URL on the air.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it sounds like an interesting project.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I am at the absolute end of the Z program, so I'm going to give you the honor of saying goodnight to everybody.
unidentified		Alrighty.
		Good night, folks.
		And tune in again Monday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well said.
		Thank you very much, and good night.
		Yes, tune in again Monday.
		Actually, Coast continues on some stations Saturday and Sunday.
		But otherwise, I will indeed be back Monday night.
		Next week, the 21st.
		Actually, Sunday is my birthday.
		Sunday is my birthday.
		And thank goodness, by the time Monday gets here, it will be over.
		And so I don't have to listen to a lot of happy birthdays reminding me that I've gained yet another year.

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