Art Bell welcomes Richard C. Hoagland, who reveals a May 27 rebroadcast of What is Really on Mars—a PAX TV special citing the 19.5° alignment and 2000 Urban Program imagery—while dismissing NASA’s abrupt Europa orbiter shutdown as cover-up, suggesting NSA already knows secrets from Lake Vostok or 13,000-year-old artifacts. Hoagland ties Dennis Tito’s $20M ISS flight (aligned at 19.3°) to potential hidden revelations, despite NASA’s resistance. Alan Mesher follows, explaining humanity’s 20-year "cusp period" of chaos from rising high-frequency energies, where repressed grief and trauma surface for healing, citing cases like a client clearing cervical cancer after reliving Nazi-era abuse. He insists healing requires spiritual readiness, not just belief, and offers remote energy CDs via SiriusCreations.com. Callers debate shadow people, OBEs, and corporate conspiracies—like Merck ignoring a cold cure—while Bell muses on Earth’s energy shifts and government as planetary "cancer." The episode blends cosmic anomalies with human healing, hinting at deeper truths suppressed by institutions. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whatever time of day it may be, wherever you are across this great land of ours, from the rock.
That would be the island of Guam in the west, I guess.
Eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole.
Anyway, it's great to be here whatever time of day it is.
Lots of good news.
And I want to thank all of you out there as we blazed through the WTAM Weakest Link contest.
Just watch The Weakest Link again today.
I love that show.
I love that woman.
She could actually be a fun interview on the phone.
Whew, she's mean.
Anyway, the results are in.
I'll read this from the WTAM website.
The results are in from the latest cyber vote.
With the largest vote in WTAM cyber history, check this out, folks.
68,624 votes.
Art Bell was voted as the strongest link on the big one.
That's what they call themselves, and they are indeed the big one, WTAM.
Quote, we used WTAM as an example of the new game show that premiered on NBC.
And Rush Limbaugh, Dr. Laura, Kim Helic, Dr. Natasha, Mike Trevisno, I can't say his name, Trevisono, maybe, Kevin Keene, Bill Wills, John Webster, Casey Coleman, Paul Harvey, and finally Rick Gilmore were voted off as the weakest links in the order that they are listed.
It was enormous.
68,624 votes.
Rick Gilmore with 89%.
Myself with 11%.
The last left standing, I guess.
And so thanks to you all, thanks to WTAM.
And by the way, Rick Gilmore is not an evil force with evil minions.
He's actually a real nice guy who does a local show on WTAM, and I understand it is very popular indeed.
Hence the fact that he was the second last standing.
So that was a lot of fun last night.
That was an awful lot of fun last night.
And who knows?
Maybe other stations will deem to do the same sort of contest.
A lot of fun.
Every now and then, you've got to give TV a little bit of credit.
They come up with some good ideas.
Well, as I told you, I will continue to keep you informed of the latest ratings as they come in, covering a two-month segment of my return from February through, I guess, beginning of April.
In Seattle, we just got those today.
KOMO Radio, of course.
We have just gone wild.
We went from a 6.1 AQH to a 13.3.
That would be a 118% increase.
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That would be a 125.6, it looks like, increase.
That's a big, big increase.
Following Cleveland, WTAM, back to number one in both categories, just flat out, number one.
Seattle, of course, also flat out number one, both categories.
Denver, Colorado, a 100, let's see, 12 plus 131.6% increase.
These are big.
2554, 183.3% increase.
These are absolutely monstrous.
San Diego, KOMO Radio, number one across the board again.
Just slide across the board, number one, 12 plus 69.2% increase, and so forth and so on.
So I've got a lot of reasons to be thanking all of you tonight, being voted the strongest link by that incredible margin in the contest, and of course the ratings.
Thank you.
Thank you all.
And we will continue to do whatever it is that we do.
In a moment, coming up is Richard C. Hoagland.
We're going to try and get yet another update on what's going on in the Antarctic, as though anybody really knows exactly what's going on in the Antarctic.
This has really been some story, hasn't it?
Really an amazing story, what's going on down there.
So all of that directly ahead.
And then in the next hour, Alan Meschie.
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Yeah, PACS apparently had three weeks of other programming that normally they would rerun the rerun the two days following the broadcast, but they can't do it for three weeks.
So on the 27th of May, the special will be rebroadcast on Mars.
It's called What is Really on Mars.
We have a section of the website at the top of the enterprise page.
If you go to our main page, there's a link there to where people can actually get the tape.
There's about four to six weeks for delivery, I understand.
Even the PACS people are having trouble fulfilling orders.
So just, you know.
Now, a number of my friends, unlike you, did not see it.
They slept through it.
They marked it on the wrong date on the calendar.
They were out walking the dog.
It's amazing.
So they've all said, how come we get a tape?
You go to Enterprise and log on to the site there, and you can order a tape.
Well, remember what Gene Roddenberry told me many, many, many years ago when I brought him all this in the flush of first finding what we might be dealing with?
And I spent like hours at Paramount.
We went to lunch in the commissary.
And I mean, I'd known Gene for years.
We were very good friends.
We did a lot of neat stuff together.
And, you know, here's the guy who created Star Trek, you know, which, of course, is one of the reasons why we call this the Enterprise Mission.
As you know, because I called you, we got some very interesting communication today from sources that we frankly don't even want to talk about because it's somewhat sensitive.
And we have sent a response back, kind of a test, to see whether this is legit.
One of the things that this source has reported, if I can call up my emails here, is that there appears to have been four people on that rescue flight who were not exactly being rescued.
Well, as we did get last week from a source that we can quote, which is Frank Carcy, who was the director of the JPL Vostok Europa Drilling Project.
the drilling into Vostok yes as prep for drilling ultimately someday in the oceans of Europa yes he said on the record that for the last several decades the national security agency you know the the deepest darkest blackest agency Had been in the whitest place in the world doing what?
You know, as I said to Mike Barra the other day, what have they been doing?
I mean, why would you take an NSA asset, and I think that's what they call them, and put this person or persons in the Antarctic, where they would have to suffer through a long, boring, dark winter for what?
Now, we have also posted on Enterprise tonight another update, which is the Europa aspect of this story.
Because remember, the whole Lake Vostok gambit was really supposed to be a testbed for drilling through the ice safely, sterilizing the probe as it went so you didn't get forward or back contamination, as a prep, as a kind of a rerun, not a rerun, a simulation of drilling through the ice on the little moon of Jupiter called Europa that I predicted 20 years ago would have life in it, if it existed, and finding out what's there.
This all has come to a shuddering halt in the last year.
As you know, there was an early plan to go to Europa with a flyby and, you know, send something into the ice and send up a spray of material and then kind of catch it on the fly.
Then there was a lot of public outcry, some of it from this program, and NASA instituted a longer-term plan to actually put an orbiter in orbit around Europa using radar to send signals down through the ice to measure the thickness and the temperature of the ocean down there and get kind of conditions for the possibility that life might exist.
But in order to finally know, you've got to land, you've got to drill, and you've got to put a probe down.
All of that has been completely halted.
The last update on the Europa orbiter was of May of last year, a year ago.
Everything has been frozen.
No RFPs have been put out.
Those are requests for proposals for instruments or specific experiments scientists would fly.
So we are in limbo.
And the cessation of the JPL drilling project in Vostok is in keeping with the idea that, as one of our sources told us, and this is a NASA source that does not want to be identified under any circumstances, they said, in terms of knowing what's under Europa's ice, you're not going to know in your lifetime.
Now, this is very serious because when you put all these dots together, it says that the whole Europa gambit for Vostok was a blind.
It was a misleading direction.
That in fact the Vostok stuff is about what's under Vostok, and that when that survey came out on January 18th of this remarkable magnetic anomaly, the NASA grants to JPL for the Europa Vostok probe ceased.
All activity that was progressing from 96 forward to get into that lake and find out what's there as a testbed for Europa, that stopped.
Well, because if you've got a secret project which has gone ahead and done what they really want it to do, you don't need to spend all this money up front and in public pretending you're going to do something.
First of all, if you look at the news reports, it makes it sound like this guy is some wimpy billionaire who made a lot of money playing the stock market, has too much time on his hands, is bored stiff, and said, oh, I'm going to go and go up to space.
Not true at all.
It turns out that Dennis Tito has a remarkable pedigree.
he was at the same age that i was called on to advise cronkite at cbs yes he was writing mission profiles and flight directory scenarios for earliest missions to mars so he's a man who Yeah, he had a dream.
He actually designed the trajectories for Mariner 4, which was the first American flyby of Mars.
A few days ago, we understand from one of his colleagues, he actually asked JPL for the plans for that spacecraft so he could have a duplicate built for his office.
He also was part of a three-man team with a guy named Burke and Norm Haynes, who I know at JPL, that designed in one afternoon on a blackboard the successful rescue mission for Mariner 9, which was the first successful orbiting of Mars by a spacecraft, namely the U.S. Mariner 9, back in 1971.
And what's astonishing is to see how this American citizen who has made his pile on Wall Street, he was very successful, he used his engineering and analytical techniques to basically psych out how the market works.
He's paying his $20 million to the Russians who are putting it into the space station to make the NASA station a success so the money is not going into somebody's burger joints in Leningrad.
Well, you know, when you look at what the astronauts are doing and what Golan says that the space station should be doing, oh, research and all that, no, space should be democratized.
Space should be open to everybody.
What this is revealing, and we'll get into it in more detail after the half hour, is that NASA really doesn't want to open and democratize space, and they're doing everything they can to keep us from gaining access.
We have had plans, you know, when I say we, those of us that have been interested in space for the betterment of all mankind for like 20, 30 years, we've had plans for mining operations, you know, utilizing resources from asteroids, putting solar power satellites up there that the private space community has had zillions of plans and nothing except for communication satellites has ever come to fruition.
Why would an American with money have to go to the Russians to get a ride on the International Space Station, to which I believe we are the largest contributor?
It's a really, really, really good question.
By the way, remember the rumor last night there had been ET contact by SETI?
There have been reports and rumors on the internet by certain irresponsible parties that a SETI detection has been made at the Parks Radio Telescope in Australia.
Well, actually, this all evolved, apparently, from a publicity stunt by two students involved in a Science Week festival in Geneva, Switzerland.
There has been no detection by Parks or by the SETI Australia experiment, which runs in tandem with other radio astronomy at this telescope.
So there you have it, folks.
A Science Week festival in Geneva.
Oh, by the way, if you go to my website and you, on the left-hand side, you'll see library there.
And the first item is news in web links.
You click on that, scroll down a little bit to where it says related websites and interesting news.
And there there is a website.
There's a link to a website called How to Build an H-bomb.
That's right, how to build an H-bomb.
And I believe they may actually give instructions there on how to do it.
But a lot of it is pretty funny.
It begins, making and owning an H-bomb is the kind of challenge real Americans seek.
Who wants to be a passive victim of nuclear war when with just a little effort, you can be an active participant?
Bomb shelters are for losers.
Who wants to huddle together underground eating can?
Winners want to push the button themselves.
Make your own H-bomb is a big step in nuclear assertiveness training.
It's called taking charge.
We're sure you'll enjoy the risks and the heady thrill of playing nuclear chicken.
Anyway, it then goes on to say exactly how you would build your own H-bomb.
And then, of course, at the bottom, it will give you the various uses that one might have for such a valuable possession.
Richard C. Hoagland back in a moment.
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Now, I've got a letter here which was posted on Space.com from Senator Chris Bond, who is the current chairman of the Senate Committee, Senate Appropriations Committee that oversees the NASA budget.
And, you know, this really is a political problem, so if enough people out there are a little irritated by Mr. Bond's Reaction to an American citizen paying his own way into space, maybe you ought to drop him a letter or an email.
This is what he sent to Dan Golden on my birthday on April 25th, as a matter of fact.
Dear Mr. Administrator, please be advised that I am very disappointed by NASA's apparent capitulation to Russia in allowing Mr. Dennis Tito an opportunity to visit the International Space Station as a paying tourist.
As you may know, my staff has been assured on several occasions by NASA that the type of visit proposed by Mr. Tito to the ISIS would not be allowed.
This consequently further undermines the already shaky credibility of the ISS program.
Moreover, I love this part, Art, moreover, this trip demeans the overall purpose of the ISS as a world-class laboratory in Earth orbit where astronauts can live and conduct research.
Now, if that isn't an elitist reaction coming from a Republican, boys and girls, you know, where's free enterprise?
Where's entrepreneurship?
Where's the celebration of American pioneering spirit?
I think Dennis Tito is maybe more important than Neil Armstrong tonight, because what he has done is to break the tourist barrier.
He has basically, with the help of his Russian colleagues and friends, said to NASA, yet, you're not keeping me off the space station that I'm paying for.
And they also said that he could only be allowed into the U.S. parts of the station if he was escorted.
Now, the current commander is a Russian.
Remember, they changed out the first crew, headed by Shepard, who was our guy.
And now a Russian is commanding the station, and he basically told Golden, hell, he can go anywhere he wants to.
And in the first few hours, apparently, he's been in every nook and cranny.
The U.S. astronauts have treated him very civilly and graciously.
You know, there's a difference between politics in orbit, where your life depends on your comrades and your colleagues and your fellow cosmonauts and astronauts, and what's going on in Washington.
But this brings up some very curious things that happened just before Dennis Tito was launched, which was on Saturday morning at about 1.37 Mountain Time, our time.
Because as you may or may not know, if you've been following this story, everybody out there, our space station, our glittering jewel of the best and the brightest and the state of the art, had massive catastrophic failures in all of its computer systems.
That is amazing because, you know, even here, Richard, where I'm, I've got a computer here next to me, then I've got one behind me, and I have others in the house.
But these two, I've had a computer failure, but never have I had any two computers go down at once.
And these are just your common variety loaded with Microsoft stuff type computers.
They had all the systems that are connected and linked to those computers, commanded by them, go down, which includes, this is curious, the live S-band and KU-band television transmissions.
So there is no live coverage of Dennis Tito's visit as a tourist to the space station.
The only coverage you're going to get is out of the Russian satellite systems when the station flies over the Russian ground station and for a few minutes a day.
Proportionately, this man has a lot more right than you and I art to be up there because he's paying for it.
And he's paying double because he paid the Russians, and they're putting their money back into their modules and their equipment and their experiments on the space station.
So what is it that they don't want an American citizen who is not controlled by them to see?
I want 60 Minutes or Nightline or MSNBC or my friends over at CNN or somebody in the mainstream media to basically start asking the question, why does an American citizen have to go to Moscow to get the spending?
Leonard David, my old friend, was on McNeil Lirray tonight, or, you know, Learr.
McNeil is doing other things.
And he said that there is a plan by a private company called Space Ab to build an actual module, like a wing for the space station that would be used to basically have dorms and hotel rooms and kitchens and whatever that would house tourists so that you could segregate them off and they would have their own little playpen.
That launch had to take place on a Saturday morning.
Remember how they were keeping Endeavor attached and they said, you might have to wait.
Why don't you delay your launch, Russians?
And the Russians said, uh-uh, we're going to launch absolutely at 1.37 Mountain Time.
It actually was 7.37 Greenwich.
I ran the numbers tonight just for you and a friend of mine, David Livingston, in California.
And when they launched from Baikonur, which is really Turkom, Sirius, which of course is what the station is named after, ISIS, was at 19.3.333333 degrees.
And I have a feeling that's involved.
I have a feeling the political reaction by Golden is because Tito is an unwanted guest in whatever is going on upstairs this week.
Now, I had another communication from a deep throat source that's been very reliable in the last couple of years.
And he says to me tonight, and he's going to talk to me tomorrow, but he says there is something big about to come down around all this.
Some major event.
And I have a feeling that Mr. Tito, with his JPL background and his Russian friends and his opposition from NASA, is part of something interesting that may unfold during this coming week.
Well, there was one rather sad note, and that is on Saturday night, apparently Vince DiPietro, who used to be a friend of mine, said some rather nasty and unseemly things on your air, on the guest host's time.
And I simply want to say to everybody who wondered about that, it's completely absurd.
It's all absolutely silly.
He's making the accusation that I have done nothing original, that I've stolen his research, that I've palmed it off as my own.
And all I want to do is point out very gently to Mr. DiPietro and any of the people who would believe this, that if they simply open monuments, you know, my seminal work on the last 20 years of my investigation of this and the chronology of the investigation of everybody else, they will find literally dozens upon dozens of references to DiPietro, to Molinar, and to all the pioneers that have got us to where we could put together a coherent television.
And in the new forward to my 2001 edition of Monuments, which I just finished writing a couple of days ago, it's now gone to the printer.
DiPietro and Molinar are fully credited with a remarkable idea 27 years ago, which the latest 2001 image that Malin gave us has confirmed, which is the eyeball in the left-hand eye socket of the face on Mars.
So for him to go around and do this sour grapes number, frankly, it's getting tedious, it's not true, and I want everyone who would even think that it could be true to simply go and refer to the record.
The record shows it is completely and totally false.
I just think that if our model is correct, that the NSA has been down there for decades, and there are artifacts left from a previous epoch, you know, the last polar excursion as your guests were discussing last night, 13,000 years ago, it would be the NSA which would be in charge of keeping the secret and finding out what they all mean.
I mean, who else?
You know, the biggest, deepest, blackest agency we have going.
And in a future update, we're going to limb out, now that this is all kind of coming out, some of the other strangenesses about Antarctic research going back to even before World War II.
All of these questions, the most important questions for mankind are the ones that they seem hell-bent on, if they are discovering them, keeping them from us.
To those of you joining us this hour, thank you very much.
It's done.
It's all done.
The results are in from the latest cyber vote on WTAM's weakest link contest.
In the largest vote in WTAM cyber history, 68,624 of you by a margin of roughly 89% to 11%, Rick took the walk of shame, though it isn't really the walk of shame at all.
Rick Gilmore is actually a proud walk, for he is one of the most popular hosts on WTAM.
But Art Bell was indeed voted the strongest link on the big one after 11 others in front of me, I guess, went.
So there you have it.
That's kind of cool.
And I wanted to thank you all for your votes.
I promised a, what was it?
Saucer in every pot or something or another.
I'll do what I can.
Coming up shortly is Alan Mesher, a highly gifted writer, healer, energy master for more than 25 years.
This dynamic healer has helped thousands of people heal unresolved emotional issues, taken them to their next level of success and well-being.
He's also helped a large and significant clientele overcome serious challenges to their physical health.
He's written a book called The T-Zone, and people have called it the best book they've ever read on the subject of transformation.
Previously, he was a publisher of the well-read Yoga Journal.
He hosted a radio talk show himself entitled Adventures In Consciousness on KEST Radio in San Francisco and KLBJ Radio in Austin, Texas.
His work has been featured in the San Francisco Examiner, Philadelphia Inquirer, on and on universities.
He currently lives in LA.
He's going to be an interesting interview, and he's coming up next.
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If you're like us, you're feeling the economic pinch, and you're going to want to make your bomb as inexpensively as possible, this thing is all right.
And then putting your H-bomb together.
And part three, what to do with your bomb.
Let's see, use your bomb at home.
Is it for you?
Let's be honest, the H-bomb isn't for everyone.
Frankly, there are people who just can't handle it.
They break out in hives at the very mention of megadeth fallout and or radiation sickness.
The following quiz will help you find out whether you have what it takes for home H-bomb ownership.
If you answer yes to six or more of these questions, then you're emotionally eligible to join the nuclear club and on and on.
So they'll probably make us take it down.
You're going to want to see it before it gets ripped down by the men in black.
One feller at one of these seminars, a younger guy who was there with a very attractive young woman, raised his hand and he said, the purpose of life is to breed.
And I said, well, you know, it's actually true.
He left early.
He had to go breed.
But, you know, I think that the answer to that question, actually, all puns and humor aside, is rather twofold.
There are two parts to it.
And part one is that one of the purposes of life is to succeed and have a good income and have a stable life and be able to enjoy what you can on the material and emotional levels of life.
It's really crucial.
You have to do that.
And that's what the Western world has really been all about, material success.
There's another part of the answer that's a little different.
It's more of the spiritual context.
And that is to know self, to attain a higher level of consciousness, to become one with the higher aspects of our being.
Let's call them, for want of better words, the good words, soul and spirit.
Well, I think because there's a general impression that to get ahead in business requires a certain level of non-spiritual ruthlessness necessary to business and to the Western way of living and our economy and the way we do biz over here and all the rest of it.
It's somewhat ruthless.
So it's going to be antagonistic to a love your brother, do no wrong, do unto others, and all the rest of those sayings that I could come up with, right?
Okay, but I don't think of spirituality as necessarily being weak.
It's a great, great strength.
And that doesn't mean that if you're a spiritual person in the business world, you're going to roll over and be easily taken advantage of, be weak, and not be able to succeed.
I think that if you're a spiritual person in the business world, you come to work every day with an added bonus.
You have an invisible host behind you.
You have a power that others who are not into it may not have.
And if you apply that power in business, oftentimes you will succeed, and oftentimes you will succeed in a way that tends to be a bit easier than the guy who's out there being ruthless.
How many examples at the top, because that's where the kind of people we're talking about ought to be at the top, could you give me people who have followed a spiritual path to get there?
corporate leaders they all leave bodies behind them but i don't mean as a murder and that sort of thing but i mean It's not something where I have a lot of expertise or data to come back at you with or to add to the discussion.
But I do know that a fellow like Andrew Carnegie back in the 19th century, one of the principles of which he operated and believed that would help him become more successful was to tithe.
He felt that by giving a certain amount of his profits and his income and his business away, that he would get more.
And that has been a principle that people have used in the church, they have used in business, and they have used to increase their success.
So that's one example where people have gone against the normal grain of business.
You don't give anything away because if you give away, you're going to have less to have.
Ah, well, There's a lot of people who don't believe there are other lifetimes, nor for that matter do they believe there's really any particular hereafter, you know, up there down there.
If that is your belief, then to achieve the goals you talked about earlier, the quickest, best path is obviously to tread on no matter who gets in your way or whatever gets in your way.
Excuse me, isn't that the purpose of organized religion in America to some degree, to make people, to keep them towing the line to keep people somewhat in line, believing that there will be some accounting for their actions.
Well, you join almost all my guests in believing that.
We all seem to agree on that fact, that something big is on the way and that we're either seeing signs of the change around us right now or it will suddenly occur and most people would say in the next 10 or 15 years.
I think the timetable will actually, my feeling is that the timetable will be a little longer.
I would say, I think we'll see beginnings of emerging changes of the new order, whatever you want to call it, in the next 10 to 15, but I think it's going to be, it'll happen more in the next 20 to 30.
Either way, it's well within the lifetimes of many of my audience.
A really, really big change.
And we're in the cusp right now.
My guest is Alan Mesher.
And from the high desert to the world out there, this is Coast to Coast AM.
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Well, I don't know that it's going to be just one event.
You know, it could be some forms of disasters occur during this cusp period that will lead us to what will be the new system in the world, the new order.
I think that the new system that the world will enter into or the new order it will become will be defined by certain concepts.
One is inclusion.
I think inclusion is critical.
I think we're going to enter a time where people will learn to get along.
Do you remember back when we had the riots and a little after riots when the police attacked that guy, Rodney King, and they caught it on video camera and he was screaming, why can't we get along?
But I think what goes on, before we get into what the big events will be, where we're going, I would like to touch into the cusp, what the nature of the cusp is about.
Because I think that is really important to an understanding of where we're going.
So in the cusp period, we have a lot of instability, a lot of fluidity, and a lot of unexpected things occurring.
And in addition to that, the energy that people are experiencing is energy that is going downward into their lower centers, which means that there's so much incivility, so much self-absorption, so much emphasis on sexuality as a form of identity, so much rudeness and crudeness in the world.
And that's where all of this comes from.
So all of these qualities are what one can term lumped together and call lower nature qualities.
And the lower nature in people is getting stimulated fiercely.
And it's causing a lot of the things we're seeing in the world.
Well, let me get into that, because that is where I'm going.
You asked the right question at the right time.
Because I think what it's doing is stimulating this negative part of people so it comes to the surface so it can be looked at, examined, and become eventually cleared.
And that's where someone like me comes in because my work is really about clearing all that up.
And I've never seen a time mark like I have in the last 10 to 15 years and more the last five of that, where people's negative aspects are closer to the surface and ready to be discharged than they are now.
Everyone is at the breaking point or the boiling point.
Because this is the end of what has been, and it's preparation for where we're going into what will be.
How can people get along, if I'm right about this notion of inclusion, if we're filled with anger, stress, and hatred and prejudice?
How can we get along?
And the answer to that is simply we can't.
So we have to go through this period where the lower nature is stimulated and all these horrible things are happening and our culture seems to be going into the sink so that all of this stuff can come up and be dealt with and cleared.
It is crucial.
It is crucial to the future.
So all of us are here now for this opportunity to grow and move this negativity out of our systems so that we can move forward into what will be the new.
But I also think that that is a result of the fact that there are higher frequency energies pouring down on this Earth, greater light that's pouring down and causing great stress in sort of the Earth of our systems, the lower centers of our systems, our own internal Earth, and it's affecting the Earth as well.
I mean, everything is moving towards this amazing peak.
And will there be Earth changes?
Will there be earthquakes?
Will there be mass destruction?
Will millions and billions of people die?
These are all questions that are legitimate.
And the fact is, no one knows the exact answer.
It could go in many different ways.
But if enough of us do enough work to help ourselves and clear this debris, then we reduce significantly the amount of pressure that is being placed on our planet.
And we become agents to help us move forward than being victims that will get caught in the crunch of what may be coming down.
And I'll also say this, the clearer that we can be internally, the easier it's going to be able, we're going to be able to pick up on our internal radios what's going to be happening, and we'll be warned, and we will move in ways that will save us from where we shouldn't be to where we could be and where we will be safe.
So that's going on, too.
I mean, I just think that the world is in a great, great clearing process, and clearing processes are inherently instable, and they are inherently unpredictable and chaotic.
Chaotic, that is the word.
They are very chaotic.
And that is how I would define the cusp period as one of chaos.
I'm a little bit conflicted about how to advise people to live through the cusp period.
In other words, they live in a world where there's greed, fear, materialism, sex, control, selfishness, all the things you talked about in here.
And they've got to live in that world, and they've got to manage to prosper in that world, which brings us back to the conversation we were having earlier.
I just don't know how they do both at the same time.
I live out here where I don't have to, thank God, contend with traffic.
But I've driven in Los Angeles, and, you know, so I know road rage, and I've had it myself.
I mean, we all have.
You're locked up in traffic.
People around you are doing incredibly stupid things, and it makes you angry.
Now, explain to me how in this situation, in this physical situation, you get yourself so centered that you go, ah, stupid guy, poor soul, I wish him well.
You know, that kind of an attitude, that good spiritual attitude that one should have, when really what you want to have is a machine gun to be able to blow him out of the way.
And the worst thing for me is not so much the craziness out there locked up in traffic, wasting time, but it's very enervating.
It takes your energy away.
So I have to come home and get quiet and meditate a little bit or whatever it is I can do or maybe go to the gym or ride my bike or whatever just to get a flow back, just to build the energy back.
Because I find that being out in the masses and the crowds can be very enervating.
It takes your energy down.
But I think one of the most important things one can do, and I want to drop the word, I want to sort of step out of the box where we've been sort of conflicting spirituality and materialism, just to step out of that box for a minute and say this.
One of the most important things anyone can do in any realm of experience and in any realm of life is to have strong, effective boundaries where you say, I'm not going to put up with this.
Or no, I'm not going to allow myself to be manipulated.
Or no, I'm not going to react to you.
Or no, you're not going to get me.
I'm not going to let you make me feel bad.
You know, all of these things are very, very important and they are very affirming of oneself.
So if I'm in a situation where there's a lot of road rage, I'm just going to say to myself, and people are doing crazy things, you know, or they've challenged my ability to stay on the road.
I'm going to say, I'm not going to react.
I'm not going to let it get me.
And the more I practice that, the easier it becomes to follow it.
And you really have to be able to do that in L.A. So living here is a real test of how centered you can keep yourself without reacting and flipping out.
It's very life-sucking, and I'll say this: I've gone out of L.A. on occasion, and I was with a friend in Santa Barbara, and we were driving back, and we were both rather sensitive creatures.
And as you got closer to L.A., you could really feel the energy changing.
Yes.
And it felt as we came into L.A. that we were entering into a black hole.
It serves us very well because, as I said earlier, with all this energy pouring into the lower nature and all of these negative tendencies in people getting activated and people getting stressed out and reacting in ways they normally wouldn't, what it also means is that all of their hidden emotional energetic blocks, they're coming to the surface.
They're sort of becoming mobilized.
And when this material becomes mobilized, if they're open and willing to get healing, then it's easy to move that material out of their system.
Let me just give you an example of something that affects an awful lot of people in this vein.
I was working today with a client of mine, a wonderful woman in another part of the country.
And we've been working for a while, several sessions.
And when she was a kid growing up, she had a mom who was critical of her, who never really gave her much support or acknowledgement or approval or just love.
I mean, she grew up without that.
And as a child, she believed that the reason she didn't get that approval and that love and that acceptance, which every human being craves, was because there was something wrong with her.
If a mother couldn't love her easily, there must be something wrong with her.
So all her life, she has striven in vain to get love, approval, and acceptance.
It always is sort of over the horizon.
And it's something that she can never reach out and quite step into and claim.
And the reason she can't is because she believes she does not deserve it.
Now that is a definition, really, of shame, of toxic shame.
She was shamed.
She believes that there's some part of her that is bad, that can never be reformed, that can never be fixed.
And I call this the silent agony syndrome.
And it really affects millions and millions and millions of people in our country all over the world.
Well, in her case, it just results in her being very repressed, trying to be nice and trying to get people to like her and love her, but never really succeeding in doing so because she is unable to feel love in herself for herself.
So these parts of her lower nature, this repressed stuff, this pain of not being able to get love, that's the way it's being expressed in her life.
But I also say this art.
You know, this is someone that has a broken heart.
And I really believe, after working for 25 years doing this work on thousands of folks, that this is the planet of the brokenhearted.
Which was the creature in the Wizard of Oz that was in search of the heart?
Everyone's here for an oil change, you know, and fill up the gas tank.
We're all here to get that.
So part of this thing that I see going on with people and all of this negative material coming up, all of this hurt and all of this anger and all of this rage, underneath all of that in virtually every case, there is a broken heart.
And when we go deep enough, it always comes up.
And I always love it when we get there because people, they just, they feel pain in their heart, they feel grief, they feel agony, and they explode.
But it's not rage coming out, it's grief coming out.
That's the underside of it.
The underside of anger and reef, excuse me, the other side of anger and rage is grief.
Well, you know, I do, and I guess I would have to say personally that I have a predilection that way.
But just in terms of my working with people, the events that have come up out of them, the experiences that they have had as we have worked on, lead me to believe that, yes, it's very true.
Would you like me to give you some examples of why I believe it's true?
I'll give you the story of a client of mine from some years ago.
She came to me with the onset of cervical cancer.
She was really freaked out.
She said, I know you can heal me.
And I said, I can guarantee nothing.
I will do the best I can to help you.
And that is all I can do.
And she said, let's do it.
It's good enough for me.
So I put my hands on her.
And I put one hand on the base of her spine and the other over the pelvic region.
And I could feel my hands getting really, really hot.
And I could, you know, I have a certain kind of sight.
I can see energies and I can see these things and that reality.
And I could see all this fire all around her pelvis.
And I said, ooh, this is really good.
But you know what?
She got really cold.
She turned grayish blue.
Her eyes closed.
And her head kept shifting back and forth from side to side.
And it got faster and faster.
And finally, she broke wide open and she started screaming, I can't see, I can't see, I can't see.
And I said, now take a breath.
Just take a breath, relax, and let your mind come right down to this pelvic region where we're working and tell me what you're feeling and seeing in there.
And before you knew it, she found herself back in this experience.
And she found herself back in Nazi Germany.
And she was married to a, as she saw it, a German general.
And the man was off killing people, killing Jews, and she was spending the war using her station as a wife of a Nazi general to take Jews into her house and get them out of the country.
She saved lives.
He killed them.
The war is over.
The general comes home.
He tells his wife how much he's hated what he's had to do, how much guilt He has for killing all the people he's had to kill and all the Jews.
And she says to herself, I feel so guilty for my secret for doing behind his back what I have done.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from May 1st, 2001.
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I'll tell you what's wrong before I get up this floor.
Don't bring me down.
You want to stay in the middle.
Oh, baby girl, I wish you had to go see when all the world speak.
The question comes to you For such a simple mind Oh, please, please tell me what's in love I know it sounds absurd Please tell me who I am I
said, now what would you say They'll be calling you a radical A liberal Oh, a magical criminal Oh, won't you sign up your name We'd like to be your acceptable Respectable
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night, Quiddles Now we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Maybe I've watched too many movies, Alan, but in the movies that I've seen about healing, almost always it's somebody who is on the lower social echelon of life here on earth.
It's somebody who's possibly even a simpleton, or it's somebody who is agnostic or more.
It's somebody who would be very unlikely from a spiritual point of view to ever be able or even want to heal.
No, no, the people that come to me that come to these workshops, for instance, we've had doctors, veterinarians, chiropractors, dentists, secretaries, people from all walks of life that feel this calling.
It's very interesting.
And I think as we go more and more into the cusp period, we're coming more into chaos and more into crises and people are more stressed, there's more of this call.
It's almost like a universal call goes out and all these people are responding to it.
They want to learn how to do it.
So you know, in this training that I'm speaking of that we did in LA last summer, a filmmaker friend of mine came down and recorded the whole thing.
And so it was very interesting to go back and watch part of it because you can feel the energy of that workshop is recorded on that tape and you can actually feel that energy coming at you while you're viewing the tape.
So what happened to these people is that what I worked for 25 years to attain, they're experiencing that weekend and their whole system is becoming attuned to it.
So now they're becoming cleaner because they've released some of the blockages in their body.
Okay, so anyway, she's on the table and her head's going back and forth and she's screaming, I can't see, I can't see, I can't see.
And then what she experiences, excuse me, is that this man who was her husband attacked her.
He beat her, he raped her, he ripped out her eyes, and he left her to die.
And so that's how that life ended.
But at the meantime, as she's going through this, she now is starting to scream in German.
And I don't know what she's saying, because I don't know German.
And when she's in her normal self, she doesn't know German either.
And she's screaming, Helmut this, and Helmut that, that must have been his name, and she's going on and on in German.
And then all of a sudden it ends.
And all of a sudden, the energy shifts, and instead of being this fiery energy going into her, it becomes this beautiful pastel golden energy.
And she gets incredibly peaceful.
Just so peaceful.
And after it's over, she told me that she felt herself floating above her body in this brilliant golden light.
She had never felt that peaceful and complete ever before, and she never wanted it to end.
And I said, well, time's up.
It's over.
And you got what you needed.
Now go see your doctor and get this checked out.
It took her a while to get back in to see the doctor, but she did, and he ran some tests, and lo and behold, the cervical cancer was no longer present in her body.
So he got on the table and we started putting the energy through him.
And all of a sudden, he looked up at the ceiling, his eyes flooded, and they opened wide and then they closed again.
And all of a sudden, he started shaking, just shaking like crazy.
His whole complexion turned gray.
He started getting freezing cold.
You know, this is in Austin, Texas, where I used to live.
It's the middle of summer.
I mean, you shouldn't be cold then.
But we put some blankets over him.
It didn't matter.
He was ice cold.
And then at a certain point, about a half an hour later in the session, he just broke into tears, broke down completely, and just sobbed and sobbed and sobbed for the rest of the session.
When it was over, he was just still ice-cold.
We wrapped him up, and I just let him sit there for about 40 minutes until he could get his bearings and leave.
And then in those last few minutes, I said, Stephen, tell me, what did you experience when you were on the table?
Tell me what you were seeing.
He said, well, when I was looking up at the ceiling, I saw this white cross.
I've never seen anything like that.
And then the next thing I knew, I found myself back in ancient Egypt, and I was a slave.
And there were long lines of people pulling stones across the desert.
And there were overseers along the lines whipping people who they thought were not performing as they should.
And he said, the woman in front of me got pulled out and she got whipped to death right in front of me.
And I couldn't show any emotion.
Otherwise, it would have happened to me.
And that woman was my wife.
And he said, I don't think I've ever experienced or felt the grief or done the grieving I needed to do that.
And he just, that's what it was about.
And his body was freezing cold because all of that energy inside him was ancient.
It's ancient energy, and ancient energy is dead energy, and it is ice cold.
So when it comes up to be cleared, people are going to be freezing cold.
Now, this is interesting, Art, because up until that time, he had been working in a bar, he had been having one-night affairs, and he had been doing a lot of marijuana and other recreational drugs.
His girlfriend wanted him to stop all that.
And what was interesting is that after the session, he did stop all of that.
And he got a job with IBM.
He became a good Salesman, and three months later, he was engaged to another girl, not the girl that wanted him to stop, but to another girl.
Well, that's the way it goes sometimes, you know.
And a mutual friend of theirs called me up and said, Did you hear how Stephen interpreted what you did to him?
And I said, No, what did he say?
He said that you had LSD on your fingertips, and when you put them on his feet, you transferred the LSD into his feet, and that's why he had that experience.
So there's a situation where the guy coming in highly skeptical, highly not into it, could care less, and yet he had that experience.
I would say this.
There are four categories of clients that come to see me.
Category one, they're open to it consciously, they think it will help, and their unconscious is ready, their soul is ready so that we can move forward very quickly.
That woman was a category one.
Category two is people have conscious resistance, they're skeptical about it, but internally their unconscious is really ready for the healing to take place.
That fella was category two.
Category three is they're open consciously.
They think this will work for them.
They want to do it.
They believe in it.
But they're not quite ready internally.
The soul, the unconscious, the energies inside have not been sufficiently mobilized.
These people are hard work.
It means I've got to do several sessions with them to start mobilizing, softening, loosening up all that blocked energy before anything will happen.
And sometimes they will stop the process and think, ah, this is baloney.
It isn't working.
I'm not getting anywhere.
I can't afford the money.
Bye.
But if they stay the course and they do enough sessions, then that stuff is going to be mobile and they'll become a category one.
And then there's category four, who I rarely ever see.
And they are people that don't believe it consciously, nor do they believe it unconsciously.
It isn't going to work for them.
They're the ones I generally never, ever encounter.
So that's how I'd answer that question.
You know, you don't have to believe it for it to work.
And we started working, and I probably worked on her five, six, seven times.
And the results of that were that, number one, going through the chemotherapy was much easier.
She was able to endure it much more, much more, you know, it was just easier.
It didn't just destroy her.
And she was a very sensitive and fairly frail woman, so that was fairly amazing.
But what also happened is that there was some tests that they do for the kind of cancer she had, ovarian cancer, I forget the name of it, but their testing levels had been exceedingly high.
She was up about 64 to 66 when she first came in to see me.
I think we did two sessions, and she went in for her first chemo session.
Then after the chemo session, they ran that test to find out what the numbers were.
And it had decreased by half.
The doctor wasn't shocked because he had never seen this.
I mean, this was, how could this be it with this chemotherapy?
Are you sure that God is, well, let's leave out God for a second.
Are you sure that a human mind, as complex and interesting as a human mind is, may not be capable of the physical healings that you have done all on its very own?
But if they have mind, what does it matter what category they're in if they want to heal themselves hard enough and they focus mentally and do whatever it is they can do mentally to do it?
Well, if they're not subconsciously ready for it, as you outlined a little while ago, it's not going to happen anyway, particularly with them doing it to themselves, right?
Right.
So I'm just asking.
You gave me the answer, and I'm happy with your answer.
But you know, what was interesting, Art, and I just want to go back to the training thing because it was so fascinating.
A number of those people have gone out now, and they're healing, and the stories that I'm hearing back from them are very similar to what I do.
So I'm thrilled that that skill is passed, that we can pass that on, and that, too, that these people can be tapping into and utilizing the same frequency that I'm able to utilize, and they don't have to work 25 years to get it.
And it's needed in the world now.
The call for healing is so huge in the world right now with the chaos and the stress and the negativity, like never before.
And the other thing is more and more people are ready for it than ever before.
I do know that at the end of the day, sometimes I feel like I've been through a war, and I know that I'm tired, and I've taken on a lot of grungy energy, so I clear it, and then I'm fine.
So, you know, in terms of taking on those conditions, no, I generally don't.
But I must tell you, Alan, I have a real hard time with it.
Real hard time with it.
Believing that you can, I could call you up from here in Prompt and tell you about some very difficult thing happening in my life or a physical illness and that you could heal me over the phone.
And what I've noticed in a number of clients, and the way I've come to this conclusion is by the work I've done with people.
You know, when you see the same thing occurring many times, they go, uh-huh.
And the relationship between sexuality and identity is simply this.
With a lot of people who do not know who they are, who you would put in the category of lost souls, there's a real blockage in their pelvic region right around where the sexual energy center or chakra is, and that's cut off.
And when that energy is cut off, they don't know who they are.
And when it gets all opened up and the energy starts flowing through the sexual center up and through the rest of the chakras, then that confusion begins to disappear and they become more confident in who they are and they feel much, much better about themselves.
Having sex is just having sex, but I'm talking about an energy blockage in their systems, in their bodies that's right there, and sexual activity is not going to heal that.
In fact, many people that have this problem, this is the interesting thing, they will project a lot of sexual energy out there to try to get people to get caught up in that sexual charisma, come towards them.
They try to use it as a vehicle for getting what they want because they aren't who they are.
You know, it's easy for those types of people to go into being someone else rather than being who they are because they don't know who they are.
It's very common.
But there's also, because there's a lot of blocked energy with a number of folks who are in the Lost Soul category in that sexual energy, they will misuse sexual energy.
But if you were to counsel them in spiritual matters, what makes you think their path in Hollywood would be an easier one than the path they've chosen?
I think we're going to be entering the age of inclusivity, connectivity, and greater spirituality.
That's what I think will happen.
I think we're going to be coming into a time when people learn how to get along because we will have cleared out enough of the lower nature issues and crap so that we can move beyond it.
And so these things in our society now that seem new and are so puzzling to us, like kids killing kids, like all the drug use, and like all the negativity and everything we talked about earlier, you think this is very transitory, huh?
Well, people call me up, and the way I always start working is I just say, I'm going to put my hand, one hand on the base of your spine, I'm putting my other hand on the base of your skull, and you tell me when you start feeling relaxed.
That generally will take one or two minutes.
While that is going on, and the energy is flowing over the phone lines into them, and they're getting relaxed, for me it's like taking an x-ray.
I'm looking within.
I'm scanning their bodies, and I'm seeing where the blockages are, and I'm seeing what has caused it.
In general, I'll say something, well, you know, tell me about a period when you were like two to five years.
For instance, I had a fella, and I said, you know, I see a young boy standing and feeling very shamed, and he's done something like, and it has something to do with peeing where he shouldn't pee.
And there's a tremendous amount of shame with that.
And I see a young boy, tell me about that.
And he remembered that when he was a young boy, he used to wet his bed, and that his parents got some sort of plastic cover on there that every time he peed in his bed, an alarm would go off.
So there was a shock to his system, there was shame to his system, and that really did shut him down in a very specific way.
So I could see what the blockage was, and then I start sending the energy into the blockage and have him make sound as if it was coming right out of that blockage because what we need to do is connect the head with where the blockage is in the body.
So we have that neural connection.
And as we do that, then we can bring up all of this heavy, dead, stuck, negative, emotional energy and begin to clear it out of the system.
And we do that by making sound, not verbal sound, not language, but guttural, irrational sounds like, ah, oh, you know, whatever.
And as those sounds come on, first it seems sort of funny to do it, but as you get into it and as all that material comes up, all of a sudden it has a life of its own.
And you'll find yourself making sounds you never heard before and saying things you can't believe you said.
And your body might be moving and shaking and twisting and kicking and you might be perspiring and getting very hot or very cold or shaking.
All sorts of phenomena will occur as this energy is cleared.
And that's generally what will happen when I work with somebody over the phone.
And if somebody wants to contact you personally, is that a number generally to order the CDs or the order number, but they can leave a message that they want that, or they can email me from the website.
Coming up next, we're going to go into open lines.
Anything you want to talk about is fair game, anything at all in the world.
And there's a lot to talk about in the world.
We could talk about Mr. Tito and NASA.
I think he's doing just the right thing.
Absolutely the right thing.
Same thing I'd do if I had that much money.
I'd take it and I'd go for that ride.
How about you?
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I have been on that hair of what I am.
It's all clear to me now.
Thank you.
The heart is on fire My soul's like a haloed moon The haloed moon
But you think I should be happy with your money and your name And mind myself in sorrow while you play your cheatin'game Silver threads and golden needles cannot mend this heart of mine And I dare not drown my sorrow in the warm water wide
But you think I should be happy with your money and your name And mind myself in sorrow while you play your cheatin'game Silver threads and
golden needles cannot mend this heart of mine And I dare not drown my sorrow in the warm water You are listening to Art Bell, somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from May 1st, 2001.
We get like the Sopranos and we get Sex in the City and all that like that.
But then what they do is The Koreans have a law where they can only have 10% of foreign programming because actually, to be honest, American programming is that good.
So they don't want us to just cream the competition.
So by law, by mandate, they have it.
But we do have HBO.
And what it was was this Korean horror movie.
And it was GAI, which the Koreans, everywhere, every culture has the paper, scissors, rock.
And I guess GAI is a Gai Bai Bo, the Paper, Scissors, Rock.
And I had it happen to me once in my life.
I was lying in bed.
This is about two years ago.
And it felt like this thing pulled my arm through the bed.
And I was moving out of my body.
And you get that instant shock.
And I immediately snapped out of it.
And I told my wife about that.
She goes, oh, yeah, yeah, that's a pretty common phenomenon.
I go, oh, really?
I never heard of it, right?
And then we were watching this movie several weeks ago, and I asked her about that.
What does that mean?
She says, well, that's that feeling where you feel like the ghost or jishing, which the Koreans say Jishing, is like pulling you down or pushing you down into the bed.
And I told her, I said, yeah, yeah, remember I had that.
All right, by the way, you're at the top of the Associated Press News this hour.
That is Korea's.
Let me read this to you.
It says, in North Korea's highest level contact with the West in six months, the head of the European Union arrived here Wednesday to meet with the reclusive leader Kim Jong II.
The trip comes at the time when efforts to promote the reconciliation of North and South Korea across the world's most heavily armed border are suffering setbacks.
The agenda could include the North's human rights record, missile program, food shortages, and attitude toward economic reform.
Now, I've seen a lot of riots in South Korea, near the North Korean border, where these South Korean students just are really trying to break down the barrier between South Korea and North Korea.
And I've wondered a lot of times why the South Korean authorities, who are probably really fed up with all this by now, don't just open the gates and let them run through.
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Well, actually, the Paris B, they have what's called the sunshine policy over here.
And the sunshine policy is supposed to, like, you know, we'll be your friend and we'll be your buddy and stuff like that.
Now, the riots, what you're seeing is, like, you ever see that thing where, like, you see a riot on TV or something, and it looks like, oh, my God, there's thousands and thousands, and the camera pans back.
As a matter of fact, we have, one night when we talked about the shadow people, and we had an expert here, a Native American, we implored people to send drawings to us.
And so we've got all these drawings of what the various shadow people have looked like.
And some of them, well, they don't look like the girl next door.
unidentified
Well, I've sort of figured out that a human with no eyes is representative of the instinctual soul.
Right there in the middle of your forehead, probably, right?
well i was thought that uh...
dot should have provided us with an actual eye that looks for the rear i mean think how that would be if you had an eye and you could actually Talk about an improvement.
Now, there would be one.
360-degree vision.
There would be no peripheral vision because there'd be no periphery.
You'd see it all.
Slight design flaw there, huh?
Or maybe we're just not supposed to see it coming.
And it's been very interesting listening to the program for the past few nights that I think that the ancients knew that we would be entering a time, the galaxy would be entering a phase.
That's how they were able to calculate that date of December 22nd of 2012.
Right.
And the guest tonight highlighted the fact, I think, very clearly that people were experiencing this energy, but they didn't know really how to process it.
In other words, I think everybody feels it coming, and very few of us understand how to process it.
unidentified
Yeah, and like you were talking about in Road Rage and the bizarre behaviors from people, I think that spiritual heightening is occurring, but they're not directing that energy in a spiritual sense.
And so to me, listening to the program tonight was very enlightening because I realized that individually we need to take responsibility for those energies and start to find ways to reach out and like your guests last night were saying, to really develop those qualities of love, of being of service to other people.
I think the shadow people fit into it very nicely indeed, because with this change coming, as we get closer and closer to it, I think that whatever you want to call it, the veil, the separation between dimensions is beginning to break down.
And the more it breaks down, the more reports of this kind of thing we're going to be getting.
That's what I believe.
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You know, that would make sense.
So it's a real, real joy to listen to the program tonight.
And it's a delight to be able to get through it and talk to you about some of these things because it's really been pressing on my mind tonight, the realizations, you know, just listening to your program for the past few nights and learning these things.
Well, if you haven't absorbed it, then you're going to call and preach it to me here.
What do you think?
Look, let's just have a conversation.
Do you think there's someplace in your brain that demands that you believe in a life after death, that demands that you believe in a God, that demands that you worship something?
Do you think there's a part of your brain that does that?
I just don't know if he really gets as involved in our affairs as a lot of people think that he does.
Or she does.
They'll create her.
That's all.
As a matter of fact, I do believe there is free will, even to the degree that if we were crazy enough to push the button and eradicate ourselves from the face of the globe, that he or she would step in and prevent it.
Or any aliens, for that matter.
I personally think he'd be gone.
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This is Premier Networks.
That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this, somewhere in time.
And a kid without a set.
I'll get a break and maybe grow up to be present.
Only in America and an opportunity for a lucky girl like you for a poor boy like me in America.
I know you deceive me now, here's a surprise I know that you
have, cause there's magic in my eyes I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles If you think that I don't know about the little tricks you play And never see you
until it would be flipping in my way Well here's a broken view, you're gonna choke on it too You're gonna lose that smile, because of the wild I can see for miles and miles Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell somewhere in time.
Well, yeah, that would bring on some tremendous change, without a doubt.
Listen, I got a question for you.
Sure.
About a month ago, I was listening to your program, and you had discussed a strange noise that you had heard just above 40 meters, I believe it was, that had something to do with harp.
Well, actually, his design makes all kinds of sense.
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It made so much sense.
Well, when he mentioned it, and of course, thinking of the power applications that I kept stumbling across, I thought, okay, so you can drive it anywhere.
I have a question, though, or just kind of a comment.
Sure.
I was sitting here with a friend the other night, and he had set something down on the table, and then he's frantically looking around my house for it, and I'm like, what are you doing?
And he sits down next to me, and he goes, you have a ghost in your house.
I'm like, what?
And I have a friend on the phone that I'm talking to.
He goes, oh, yeah, you do.
And I'm like, oh, you're telling me this now?
And he's like, yeah, I've seen it sitting on the end of your bed or in the doorway.
And I'm like, great.
Is it like malevolent?
And they're like, no, it seems to be Guardian.
And my father passed away when I was seven.
He committed suicide.
And which brings me back to Father Malachi and that topic.
It was just a little pill kind of hard to swallow.
Not to know where he's at during this time.
But the ghost situation seems to be uncomfortable.
I just got recently paralyzed, actually not recently, six years ago.
Well, it may well be that your dad is your guardian angel.
It may well be.
who's to say it may well be that uh...
your dad I have far more layman's position about it, and I don't think that people who commit suicide go to hell.
I don't think that's a real qualifier.
I know it's supposed to be a deadly sin, right?
But I'm told my wife is Catholic.
It's a deadly sin.
You don't commit suicide.
But in the way that I think of God, and I can hear you all screaming at the radio now, it's not the way you think God are, it's the way God is.
I know, but I can't imagine a God that would send somebody to some sort of eternal hell for having taken their own life in some moment of unimaginable misery or for a number of other things that suggest you would go to the down-escalator part.
But I remember when the first time I think you had him on the show was I was living down in Joshua Tree.
And it seems to me that he said something about if you see somebody on the other side, not to believe that they're all good, really not to get involved in them.
But you see, there would not be such a thing because if you know anything about the cold virus or the flu virus, you know that it's constantly changing.
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No, I'm not saying this guy may or may not have the cold remedy.
But what I'm saying is that the logic that the drug companies would jump at a chance to cure the common cold is wrong.
We're going to have to live with that disagreement.
First of all, I don't think that there would be a Magic bullet that would stop all colds and all flu forever.
That isn't what's going to happen.
However, they may come up with something that if you get the cold, you take whatever it is in the early stages of the cold, and people will call this anti-echinesia or whatever.
No, I mean a real concrete boom, you've got a cold, and boom, it's gone type cure.
Now, that would be worth a lot of money to the drug companies.
And it's far more likely than some magic bullet that is going to cure all forms of all viruses.
That's not going to happen.
But what I talked about might eventually happen.
Although you have to wonder about a world that has sent men to the moon as not yet to cure the common cold.
I don't think there's going to be any sort of magic single bullet.
I think it's going to be something you will take when you have a certain form of a cold or the flu, and it will stop it.
And that will be worth a very great deal of money.